From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Thu May  1 00:51:31 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net>
References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305010050490.26762@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joel Schneider wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives?
> 
> I'm also opposed to purging the archives on request.
> 
> As Bob (Mr. Tanner?) appears to suggest, it would be best if we could

Actually that is OLD MAN TANNER to the newbies on this list...

Munir Nassar
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From david at acz.org  Thu May  1 01:37:05 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> <000601c30f87$82901c70$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <002001c30fac$150c3920$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Matthew S. Hallacy writes:
> The email was sent to a public list, with no expectations of privacy.
> The person sending the email published it by clicking the send button
> -- not only to the list, but to the archives as well.

This isn't a privacy issue; this is a copyright issue.  Posting a message to
a mailing list may grant an "implied license", as stated in Steven J.
McDonald's document, cited by Randy Burns.  This "implied license" is not
granted in perpetuity.  The copyright holder has the right to revoke this
license at any time.

> I've heard of a few cases like this, and none of them made it to
> court.

Then it would be prudent to err in favor of the copyright holder.

> Not necessarily, an e-book is not copied every time it's read, and
> the owner maintains the copyright.

Fair use lets you copy material for your own use, assuming you have a right
to use that material in the first place.  This certainly does not cover
publishing the material.

> By sending the message to the list they caused the message to be
> copied to every person on the list, and into the archives. Nobody
> infringed in their rights, they knowingly made the decision to do it.

The "implied license" would seem to cover this.  But that right can be
revoked at any time by the copyright holder.

> This is why every magazine with a 'user feedback' section clearly
> states
> that 'all letters sent to <magazine> become the sole property of
> <magazine company>', you cannot say 'hey, i changed my mind, it was
> stupid
> to say that' then try to retroactively have every copy of that
> magazine changed.

I have never had to consent to that to post to any mailing list.  Have you?

This page has some good information about copyright:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  1 02:04:32 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com>        <20030430042048.GA25384@therub.org> <36556.192.168.2.243.1051728163.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>
Message-ID: <000401c30faf$ea65a810$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Mark Courtney writes:
> Simple solution, the poster isn't identifiable, and nobody has to
> call their lawyer.  I am, however, against removing posts from the
> archives.

That would be as legal as placing a bunch of copyrighted MP3s on your
website and naming them "anonymous".  If I remove your name from a
copyrighted work, it must not belong to you anymore, right?

--
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From joel at joelschneider.net  Thu May  1 02:33:26 2003
From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <002001c30fac$150c3920$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Thu, May 01, 2003 at 01:37:05AM -0500
References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> <000601c30f87$82901c70$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org> <002001c30fac$150c3920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030501023326.H11608@joelschneider.net>

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 01:37:05AM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
> This page has some good information about copyright:
> 
> http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

A seemingly pertinent quote from that page:

    While copyright law makes it technically illegal to reproduce almost
    any new creative work (other than under fair use) without
    permission, if the work is unregistered and has no real commercial
    value, it gets very little protection.  The author in this case can
    sue for an injunction against the publication, actual damages from a
    violation, and possibly court costs.  Actual damages means actual
    money potentially lost by the author due to publication, plus any
    money gained by the defendant.  But if a work has no commercial
    value, such as a typical E-mail message or conversational USENET
    posting, the actual damages will be zero.  Only the most vindictive
    (and rich) author would sue when no damages are possible, and the
    courts don't look kindly on vindictive plaintiffs, unless the
    defendants are even more vindictive.

By my reading, this says reproducing a typical email message may
infringe the author's copyright, but the author's loss of publication
revenue is probably zero so there's not much point in filing a lawsuit
on the basis of copyright infringement.

-- 
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From mj at jentges.net  Thu May  1 03:12:48 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <c763decd41ba09f5878b5817ef15b8cf@stfu.local.>
References: <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org>
        <c763decd41ba09f5878b5817ef15b8cf@stfu.local.>
Message-ID: <1105.199.199.159.90.1051776768.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

Anyone else wondering how they'll feel about the length this thread has
gone and what they said regarding it when it becomes one of the
'archives'?

:)


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From mj at jentges.net  Thu May  1 03:16:09 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304302234100.30029-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0304302132260.4994-100000@conformity.technicality.org>
        <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304302234100.30029-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <1104.199.199.159.90.1051776969.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

And hence AUTHOR wrote: Brian
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 natecars@real-time.com wrote:
>
>> That's not *always* true -- for example, I've seen televised U2
>> concerts  where when they pan over the crowd, all you see are camera
>> flashes.
>
> This is going OT, but typically when they say no cameras they mean no
> professional-looking cameras.  Usually the concert promoters/copyright
> holders aren't concerned about consumer grade photos.  I've worked a few
> large shows before, and I've never seen anyone's 35mm camera taken away,
> even when searched at the door.

You're right it is, but just the same please let me know which door you're
at next time. That'd rock!

-mj



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From david.blevins at visi.com  Thu May  1 06:57:50 2003
From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c30f7e$fdd5a980$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <004301c30ed4$0c2d5920$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3EAFEAB5.9030904@cleosci.com> <20030430192556.GA9319@isis.visi.com> <00bf01c30f7e$fdd5a980$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030501115750.GA17210@isis.visi.com>

Thanks David.  Though, it is gkrueger I was hoping to get the references 
from.  I agree with you that fundamental laws of copyright do not change 
simply because the format is digital.

--
David


On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:14:19PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: 
> David Blevins writes:
> > Do you have any references of this?  Not doubting, just sounds like
> > interested reading.
> 
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/copyright.html
> 
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/
> 
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/
> 
> -- 
> David Phillips <david@acz.org>
> http://david.acz.org/
> 
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May  1 08:11:27 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net>
References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com>
	<20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net>
Message-ID: <20030501081127.11f40916.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:43:40 -0500
Joel Schneider <joel@joelschneider.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives?
> 
> I'm also opposed to purging the archives on request.
> 
  I feel the same way.  I'd rather not see the archives purged, if possible.  If someone has said something in the past, that they would later like to retract their statement a reply to their message would be the way to handle it.  However, I would like to see a way if possible that the post of retraction is shown up somehow.  I think it's already being done, via "replies to this post."  However, it's been a while since I've seen the archives so I'm not certain at this time.
  That being said, it is a public forum, with a "paper trail" so to speak.  One needs to be careful with what is said, particularly in written format.  No matter how hard you try to correct your mistakes, things will come back to haunt you.  Most times, the initial statement does stand out far more than the retraction.  
  Most times, it's the negative that is remembered far more than the positive.

-- 
Shawn

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.  Instead
of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
their views...  which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one
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From josh at tschidanet.com  Thu May  1 08:30:48 2003
From: josh at tschidanet.com (Joshua D. Tschida)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla automatic proxy detection?
Message-ID: <000e01c30fe5$e112a9d0$4d7ae18c@csc3742>

Hi everyone.  

I hope this is a quick question...   I'm experimenting with the LocustWorld MeshAP and I finally got it to work.  I proceeded to setup a bunch of client laptops for a demonstration for school and I have tested a couple different operating systems.  My main issue now is with Mozilla.  The MeshAP seems to run as a sort of proxy server.  When the client computer attempts to browse the internet they are greeted with a splash screen for user authentication, but it also has guest login.  With Windows Millennium and Internet Explorer I am able to simply click on the guest login and I think the browse auto-detects the proxy settings and works great.  With Mozilla though it continually says "The document contains no data".  I attempted to edit the Mozilla proxy properties, but there are no options for auto-detection of the proxy server.  I tried to manually enter the IP of the MeshAP system as the http proxy, but that didn't work.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get past this?

thanks.
-Josh
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From david.blevins at visi.com  Thu May  1 08:56:13 2003
From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org>
References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <20030501135613.GA18893@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:44:53PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:08:14PM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
> 
> If you stand up in the middle of a group of people to make a statement, and 
> that meeting is being videotaped, do you think you have any right to demand
> that anyone with a copy of that video tape erase the parts in which you
> participated? 

As someone who worked in Public Access TV, you do in fact have to get 
everyone who participated to sign release agreements before anything can 
be broadcast or distributed.  We never went on location without a few 
dozen copies of our standard release agreement.  

If they didn't sign, they had legal grounds to sue unless we in fact *did* 
remove all parts that they were in by blurring their faces, bleeping any 
names, or otherwise removing anything that could identify them.  

Yes, this is despite the fact that they did see the camera and were 
speaking right at it.  The legal ground comes from not that fact, but the 
fact that they did not agree to how that footage was to be *used*. If they 
could prove that it was them and we could not produce evidence of an 
agreement to distribute, they could sue.  

The exceptions to the rule are comments from public officials as this is 
part of the agreement when taking office.  Also, city council, senate or 
even court trials all have a public record keeper present and meetings 
start by officially announcing the beginning of the public record and the 
close of the public record at the end of the meeting.


Brining the point around to the topic at hand, in the absence of an 
official agreement of right to a specific use of copyrighted material or 
transfer or copyright, people do in fact have legal ground to sue. 

That is if they can also prove that the comments were theirs, which is 
where the blurring and bleeping comes in.

On the note of search engines, subscribing to a service does not give you 
right to distribute that content.  However, only the copyright owner can 
defend the copyright, so there is nothing TCLUG can do to help said poster 
in this regard.

This whole thing can be avoided in the future if TCLUG simply adds an 
official agreement to the subsciption process which gives them at least 
limited right to your material.  But then everyone would have to 
re-subscribe and it would be a real pain.

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May  1 10:17:47 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305011009560.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Sorry it's a little late.  As always, more info is at 
http://beer.tclug.org .

--- snip ---
A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 2, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Pizza Luce
119 N 4th St
Minneapolis, MN 55401

Details:
A popular location. To quote Ein, "gud fud, gud bir, nuf sed."  The 
reservation is in the non-smoking section.
Come share a beer (or pop) with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is 
welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker.
--- snip ---

     Jima


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May  1 10:17:47 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305011009560.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Sorry it's a little late.  As always, more info is at 
http://beer.tclug.org .

--- snip ---
A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 2, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Pizza Luce
119 N 4th St
Minneapolis, MN 55401

Details:
A popular location. To quote Ein, "gud fud, gud bir, nuf sed."  The 
reservation is in the non-smoking section.
Come share a beer (or pop) with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is 
welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker.
--- snip ---

     Jima


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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu May  1 10:31:06 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0304301541070.3617-100000@dragon>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.50.0304301541070.3617-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <1051803067.27012.882.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 15:41, Yaron wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote:
> 
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: No protocol specified
> 
> Before you su, try 'xhost localhost'.

Note that xhost allows *all* connections from the specified host, which
can be unsafe sometimes.  If you're on a machine with multiple user
accounts, for instance, bad things can happen.  These days, it's
generally safer to use xauth cookies.  It's kind of complicated to get
right, though..

One thing to try is looking at what the $XAUTHORITY environment variable
is set to in your normal user account.  If the variable isn't set at
all, see what file the `xauth' program says it is using, and set the
environment variable to the same file after you su.

Another thing I often do is to run `xauth list' and then cut and paste
the appropriate cookie entry onto a command-line starting with `xauth
add' in the su'ed window.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu May  1 16:46:15 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305011009560.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305011009560.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <20030501214615.GE7762@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:17:47AM -0500, Jima wrote:
> Sorry it's a little late.  As always, more info is at 
>http://beer.tclug.org .

>Details:
>A popular location. To quote Ein, "gud fud, gud bir, nuf sed."  The 
>reservation is in the non-smoking section.
>Come share a beer (or pop) with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is 
>welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker.
what about ex-emplyees ;)

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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Thu May  1 17:06:48 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Installs and GRAB Updates
Message-ID: <seb1542f.040@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

LUG People:

I made this for me, but have tried to make it useful for a wider
audience. Please be critical, but try to be constructive:

http://www.jdmz.net/grab/index.html

Thank you,

Troy

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May  1 17:23:11 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Installs and GRAB Updates
In-Reply-To: <seb1542f.040@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305011722590.644-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 1 May 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> I made this for me, but have tried to make it useful for a wider
> audience. Please be critical, but try to be constructive:
>
> http://www.jdmz.net/grab/index.html

Looks pretty good!

Now, if only someone would do the same thing for APT.. :)

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  1 20:12:32 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Installs and GRAB Updates
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305011722590.644-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <007801c31047$e8c62cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Nate Carlson writes:
> Now, if only someone would do the same thing for APT.. :)

They did.  It's called rsync:

http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror

http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

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From gsker at tcfreenet.org  Thu May  1 21:59:48 2003
From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Installs and GRAB Updates
In-Reply-To: <007801c31047$e8c62cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305011722590.644-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
 <007801c31047$e8c62cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305012153320.4029@hamster.attbi.com>

I think he meant the instructions.  And I agree.

Thanks, Troy; I like it.

A gentle criticism: It seems like there's a step missing there on the
install-new.htm page.  It just seems a little thin where you say "install RHL9
however I like it".

It would be better if you would refer to using ftp to get the isntallation
files from the server and where they will be in your installation and how you
have to tell the RH9 install process that.  I gotta assume you were going to
use ftp to do the install otherwise why would you need the NIC drivers?

Gerry


On Thu, 1 May 2003, David Phillips wrote:
> Nate Carlson writes:
> > Now, if only someone would do the same thing for APT.. :)
>
> They did.  It's called rsync:
>
> http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror
>
> http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu May  1 22:49:03 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305010050490.26762@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305010050490.26762@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <20030502034903.GH7762@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 12:51:31AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joel Schneider wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
>> > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives?
>> 
>> I'm also opposed to purging the archives on request.
Let them eat crow.
me too :)
>> 
>> As Bob (Mr. Tanner?) appears to suggest, it would be best if we could
>
>Actually that is OLD MAN TANNER to the newbies on this list...
I am afraid it would make little since to for me to call Bob OLD.
>
>Munir Nassar
>RedConcepts.NET

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May  1 22:55:49 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday
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On Thu, 1 May 2003, SpencerUnderground wrote:
> what about ex-emplyees ;)

 That depends.  Is there a restraining order? :)

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu May  1 22:57:38 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305012255200.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
References: <20030501214615.GE7762@autonomous.tv> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305012255200.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <20030502035738.GI7762@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:55:49PM -0500, Jima wrote:
>On Thu, 1 May 2003, SpencerUnderground wrote:
>> what about ex-emplyees ;)
>
> That depends.  Is there a restraining order? :)
>
>     Jima
>
Beer meetings do get a little wild some times...
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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu May  1 22:59:36 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts?
In-Reply-To: <1105.199.199.159.90.1051776768.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
References: <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org> <c763decd41ba09f5878b5817ef15b8cf@stfu.local.> <1105.199.199.159.90.1051776768.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
Message-ID: <20030502035936.GJ7762@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 03:12:48AM -0500, Michael Jentges wrote:
>
>Anyone else wondering how they'll feel about the length this thread has
>gone and what they said regarding it when it becomes one of the
>'archives'?
>
>:)
>
>
>-mj
Well, if you don't mind me quoting your post,  I do believe there is a
little more room left for this thread. ;)
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From admin at lctn.org  Fri May  2 07:12:25 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] htpasswd script
Message-ID: <008101c310a4$188e8460$cf0410ac@DELL2>

I am setting up an IPCop box basically as  squid box using proxy_auth. Is there a script I can drop in the html folder that will let an administrator add web users via a web page, or is there was a way to import a txt file with 200 users and passwords?


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From adamm at sihope.com  Fri May  2 08:54:44 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] htpasswd script
In-Reply-To: <008101c310a4$188e8460$cf0410ac@DELL2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305020844110.20847-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

There may not be one that exists, but it's pretty easy to do I think.

If users.txt is just "username (WHITESPACE) password"

#!/bin/sh
for USER in `cat users.txt | awk '{ print $1 }'`; do
  PASSWORD=`grep "^$USER" users.txt | head -1 | awk '{ print $2 }'`
  /usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -b /path/to/.htpasswd $USER $PASSSWORD
done

Or cat it to this perl script:

#!/usr/bin/perl5
while (<>) {
  ($user, $password) = split;
  system("/usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -b 
  /path/to/.htpasswd $user $password)";
}

If your version of htpasswd can't take a password on the command line, you
can generate them on the fly with perl, and then add the output to the end
of the existing .htpasswd file.

#!/usr/bin/perl5
while (<>) {
  ($user, $password) = split;
  $salt = join '',('.','/',0..9,'A'..'Z','a'..'z')[rand 64, rand 64];
  $encrypted_password = crypt($password, $salt);
  print "$user:$encrypted_password\n";
}

I just typed these in - so test first before committing any changes.  No
guarantees they work!

Adam Maloney
Perl Monger :)

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Raymond Norton wrote:

> I am setting up an IPCop box basically as squid box using proxy_auth.
> Is there a script I can drop in the html folder that will let an
> administrator add web users via a web page, or is there was a way to
> import a txt file with 200 users and passwords?
> 
> 
> Raymond



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From admin at lctn.org  Fri May  2 09:08:22 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] htpasswd script
References: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305020844110.20847-100000@unix1.sihope.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c310b4$4aa682d0$020a0a0a@DELL2>

Thanks, I will see what I can do with this. I did find a htpasswd.pl file
that lets me add single users via the browser. It shows the users created
too, and protects against duplicates. It would be great to get your script
working, since I haven't found anyone to thrilled about adding users one at
time.





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Subject: Re: [TCLUG] htpasswd script


> There may not be one that exists, but it's pretty easy to do I think.
>
> If users.txt is just "username (WHITESPACE) password"
>
> #!/bin/sh
> for USER in `cat users.txt | awk '{ print $1 }'`; do
>   PASSWORD=`grep "^$USER" users.txt | head -1 | awk '{ print $2 }'`
>   /usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -b /path/to/.htpasswd $USER $PASSSWORD
> done
>
> Or cat it to this perl script:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl5
> while (<>) {
>   ($user, $password) = split;
>   system("/usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -b
>   /path/to/.htpasswd $user $password)";
> }
>
> If your version of htpasswd can't take a password on the command line, you
> can generate them on the fly with perl, and then add the output to the end
> of the existing .htpasswd file.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl5
> while (<>) {
>   ($user, $password) = split;
>   $salt = join '',('.','/',0..9,'A'..'Z','a'..'z')[rand 64, rand 64];
>   $encrypted_password = crypt($password, $salt);
>   print "$user:$encrypted_password\n";
> }
>
> I just typed these in - so test first before committing any changes.  No
> guarantees they work!
>
> Adam Maloney
> Perl Monger :)
>
> On Fri, 2 May 2003, Raymond Norton wrote:
>
> > I am setting up an IPCop box basically as squid box using proxy_auth.
> > Is there a script I can drop in the html folder that will let an
> > administrator add web users via a web page, or is there was a way to
> > import a txt file with 200 users and passwords?
> >
> >
> > Raymond
>
>
>
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From mjn at umn.edu  Fri May  2 10:37:52 2003
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone
providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at
alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best
support, calling area, whatever for the TC.

What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?

Thanks.

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From erik at andersonfam.org  Fri May  2 10:41:11 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>

I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems. 
I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I 
think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.

-Erik

mjn wrote:
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone
> providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at
> alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best
> support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
> 
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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From sos at zjod.net  Fri May  2 10:47:02 2003
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> from "mjn" at May 02, 2003 10:37:52 AM
Message-ID: <200305021547.h42Fl2m21999@zjod.net>

mjn wrote:
> 
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone
> providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at
> alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best
> support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
> 
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?

I'm on Sprint PCS with 1000 minutes a month and 2 additional "add-a-phones".
PCS Service is good, but spotty outstate when you stray off the freeways.
Analog service works almost everywhere (but usually in "roam" mode).  Sprint
recently changed their service plans so that add-a-phones went from $10
a month/each to $20/month and "free" nationwide long-distance (call from
anywhere on the PCS network to anywhere without incurring additional fees)
is now $10 extra.  I recommend Sprint PCS but only if you can find a service
plan that meets your needs at the price you want to pay.

What would recommend to my worst enemy?  AT&T.

Hope this helps,

-S

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From david at acz.org  Fri May  2 10:50:47 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <003d01c310c2$993e1b70$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Erik Anderson writes:
> I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems.
> I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I
> think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.

I use them too, but the coverage inside my apartment is pretty flakey (I
live a block from Eden Prairie Center).  Though, coverage in downtown
Minneapolis at the office is great.  Their data service is pretty flakey
too, no matter where you are.  They do have some good plans and some nice
phones (I have a Sanyo SCP-5300).  I think you have a week or two to decide
if you like the service, so it can't hurt to try it out.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May  2 10:50:56 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021050040.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, mjn wrote:
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile
> phone providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or
> swore at alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who
> has the best support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
>
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?

Sprint's ok. Kinda expensive now.
Also had good luck with T-Mobile. If you get out of the digital area, your
outta luck, though. (Sprint has Analog Roaming at like $.50/min)

I'd avoid AT&T and Cingular (not sure they even offer service in this
state, though) personally.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May  2 10:50:56 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021050040.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, mjn wrote:
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile
> phone providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or
> swore at alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who
> has the best support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
>
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?

Sprint's ok. Kinda expensive now.
Also had good luck with T-Mobile. If you get out of the digital area, your
outta luck, though. (Sprint has Analog Roaming at like $.50/min)

I'd avoid AT&T and Cingular (not sure they even offer service in this
state, though) personally.

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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Fri May  2 10:52:04 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Installs and GRAB Updates
Message-ID: <seb24df4.027@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

I agree, and you are correct. 
Thank you for pointing that out! :-)
I'll fill in some of the details today...

>>> gsker@tcfreenet.org 05/01/03 09:59PM >>>
A gentle criticism: It seems like there's a step missing there on the
install-new.htm page.  It just seems a little thin where you say "install
RHL9
however I like it".
It would be better if you would refer to using ftp to get the
isntallation
files from the server and where they will be in your installation and how
you
have to tell the RH9 install process that.  I gotta assume you were going
to
use ftp to do the install otherwise why would you need the NIC drivers?



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From rwh at visi.com  Fri May  2 10:58:25 2003
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: *** LINUX *** [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
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I'm currently using T-Mobile with a Treo 270. The coverage in outstate 
has started to get better and its nice to be able to check e-mail and 
the likes in a pinch when I'm out of town. Very few drops over the last 
year and the voice quality is reasonable. Coverage can be a bit spotty. 
I recently took a trip to Marshfield, WI and there was no coverage once 
I left the metro area except for a few miles around Eu Claire.

Before that I had AT&T which worked fine. If coverage (especially 
nationally) is important, AT&T is the king. Two years ago I took a trip 
across Canada to Prince Rupert, up the Inside Passage to Seward, AK and 
then around the Anchorage area for a week or so. The only place in 
Canada that I didn't have coverage was Prince Rupert and most of the 
small towns that we sailed past on the way to Seward had AT&T digital 
service.  I'm headed back to Anchorage next month and I'll probably pick 
up an AT&T pre-paid phone for use while I'm there.

The one that pegged the useless/clueless scale was QWorst's cell 
service. Lots of dropped calls and customer service sucked.

--rick

mjn wrote:

>I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone
>providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at
>alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best
>support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
>
>What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?
>
>Thanks.
>
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From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu  Fri May  2 11:01:07 2003
From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
Message-ID: <seb24ffe.042@fm-gw.facm.umn.edu>

Cingular doesn't offer service in the Twin Cities.

I've been using AT&T for nearly a year now, without any real problems.
My rate isn't cheap, but it's better than what I had with Verizon
previously. The service is better than what I saw with Verizon, as well.
Still, I wouldn't say it's anything to go ga-ga over. Neither is
Verizon. The only bad thing I can really say about AT&T (and this is
second-hand info) is that mLife service still sucks inside the cities.
Outside the cities you get normal TDMA (I think that's what AT&T is...)
*if* your phone is capable of it. Some of them are
mLife/3G/whatever-only.

01 (my two bits)

>>> natecars@real-time.com 05/02/03 10:50AM >>>
On Fri, 2 May 2003, mjn wrote:
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile
> phone providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or
> swore at alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea
who
> has the best support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
>
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?

Sprint's ok. Kinda expensive now.
Also had good luck with T-Mobile. If you get out of the digital area,
your
outta luck, though. (Sprint has Analog Roaming at like $.50/min)

I'd avoid AT&T and Cingular (not sure they even offer service in this
state, though) personally.

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri May  2 11:06:08 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021052160.1534-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Erik Anderson wrote:

> I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems. 
> I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I 
> think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.

I have coverage problems with Sprint, and they use crappy phones (Kyocera
and Samsung, eww!).  I saw a Nokia at the Sprint store a week ago, so I
hope it's a sign of things to come.  My Kycoera is absolute crap.

Motorola/AT&T is a winning combo to me, but YMMV.

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From jhoglund at lssdata.com  Fri May  2 11:03:58 2003
From: jhoglund at lssdata.com (Jasen Hoglund)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit- Phones
Message-ID: <E19Bdbz-0005I1-00@pirate.real-time.com>

Hey,

I have been on sprint and Verizon currently. Verizon has a lot more coverage up north than sprint and better coverage east and south of the twin cities. If you are heading west of the TC than it may get troublesome. I was just to Whapeton North Dakota last weekend and had good coverage the whole way and there. I think its south west is where it gets troublesome. Sprint had better plans in the past, but I haven't looked at those in awhile or Verizons plans for that matter. Makes sense to use the ones your friends/family/TCLUG buddies are using as both (at least Verizon) have good mobile to mobile minutes that don't eat up your anytime minutes. Of course it only counts calling from verizon phone to verizon phone, or sprint to sprint. If you will be in roaming areas in minnesota, wisconsin, or the dakotas then I recommend AT&T because they have a 4 or 5 state no roaming plan otherwise steer clear, bad customer service!

My .02 cents with some freebies! :) G'dLuck with it!

Jasen

"A Keg of Beer: One serving, BIGGER can!"


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LSS Data Systems
6423 City West Parkway, Eden Prairie, MN  55344
952.941.1000
From erik at andersonfam.org  Fri May  2 11:14:45 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021052160.1534-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021052160.1534-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <3EB29975.6040504@andersonfam.org>

Brian wrote:
> I have coverage problems with Sprint, and they use crappy phones (Kyocera
> and Samsung, eww!).  I saw a Nokia at the Sprint store a week ago, so I
> hope it's a sign of things to come.  My Kycoera is absolute crap.

Huh.  That's wierd.  I have the Samsung SPH-A460, and it's the best 
phone I've had.  I've had Nokia's before, but I like this Samsung better.

Oh well....


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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May  2 11:21:32 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D34F6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

I am working on an install of SuSE exchange server and I think I have the fetchmail set up ok but when I try to connect to it from outside my network it says it cant connect....it is my understanding that I should be able to just type the ip in my browser and get the logon screen.....i have DSL and a static ip on the server and router....anyone can help????
Dan

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From rpgoldman at real-time.com  Fri May  2 11:31:50 2003
From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
	<3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <16050.40310.1278.135654@tsathoggua.mydomain>

Erik Anderson writes:
 > I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems. 
 > I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I 
 > think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.

My experience is that they provide crummy customer service, they put
up useless barriers to talking to a human, and their web page for
billing, etc. is often busted.  Oh, wait, I've just said that Sprint
is a telecom company!  They all suck.

If I was going to get a new cell account, what I would do is find
someone with an existing account on that service and

(1) check to see how coverage is IN AREAS I TEND TO FREQUENT and

(2) take the phone and check how coverage is IN MY HOUSE AND PLACE OF
WORK.

Until I moved, Sprint PCS had a coverage dead zone that covered my
house.  Very bad.  Verizon, on the other hand, had excellent coverage
there.  Unfortunately, I hadn't thought to check with a phone set
before getting the Sprint account.  I lucked out, though, and got good
coverage in my new house.

Nationwide Sprint coverage seems very good.  The only dead zone I've
really found is spotty coverage in Uptown.  Unfortunately, that's
where I live!

r

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From rpgoldman at real-time.com  Fri May  2 11:33:36 2003
From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021050040.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021050040.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <16050.40416.896716.520503@tsathoggua.mydomain>

Nate Carlson writes:
 > On Fri, 2 May 2003, mjn wrote:
 > > I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile
 > > phone providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or
 > > swore at alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who
 > > has the best support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
 > >
 > > What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?
 > 
 > Sprint's ok. Kinda expensive now.
 > Also had good luck with T-Mobile. If you get out of the digital area, your
 > outta luck, though. (Sprint has Analog Roaming at like $.50/min)
 > 
 > I'd avoid AT&T and Cingular (not sure they even offer service in this
 > state, though) personally.

My wife's had AT&T.  They had bad (truculent) customer service even
for a telecom company, and that's saying a lot!

R

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From rpgoldman at real-time.com  Fri May  2 11:36:02 2003
From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021052160.1534-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021052160.1534-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <16050.40562.372846.953156@tsathoggua.mydomain>

Brian writes:
 > On Fri, 2 May 2003, Erik Anderson wrote:
 > 
 > > I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems. 
 > > I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I 
 > > think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.
 > 
 > I have coverage problems with Sprint, and they use crappy phones (Kyocera
 > and Samsung, eww!).  I saw a Nokia at the Sprint store a week ago, so I
 > hope it's a sign of things to come.  My Kycoera is absolute crap.

I have a Kyocera smartphone which I got before it was discontinued.  I
love it.  Now I only have to carry that, not a phone and a PDA.  It's
only B&W, but who really needs color in a palm?  at least not for $300
price diff...

R

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May  2 12:35:27 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <003d01c310c2$993e1b70$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org> <003d01c310c2$993e1b70$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030502173527.GL7762@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 10:50:47AM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
>Erik Anderson writes:
>> I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems.
>> I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I
>> think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO.
>
>I use them too, but the coverage inside my apartment is pretty flakey (I
>live a block from Eden Prairie Center).  Though, coverage in downtown
>Minneapolis at the office is great.  Their data service is pretty flakey
>too, no matter where you are.  They do have some good plans and some nice
>phones (I have a Sanyo SCP-5300).  I think you have a week or two to decide
>if you like the service, so it can't hurt to try it out.
>
I also use sprint.  I also get flakey coverage in my house, everywhere
else is great, most of the time.  I love my f0ne (samsung 4900), and the
service plan is great.  I have two phones with 2000 minutes and
unlimited PCS.  Of course I get the long distance and fone to fone
calling and such as well.  I pay about $100 for this plan.  I completely
removed qworst from my house (great decision!).  The unlimited PCS just
rocks.  It is not the best Internet connection in the world, but it
works, and it works _anywhere_ (almost).  Plus, they have a builtin
'discount' feature on the handsets. *2 --->> wait for clair to answer
(you say) "dropped call credit" (she says) "Allright, credit for a
dropped call".  Of course you only use this if you really get a dropped
call ;) ($0.50 per call, max of 20 a month)  

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From jack at jacku.com  Fri May  2 12:55:30 2003
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200305021255.30856.jack@jacku.com>

On Friday 02 May 2003 10:37 am, mjn wrote:
> I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone
> providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at
> alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best
> support, calling area, whatever for the TC.
>
> What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy?
>
> Thanks.
>

I've had Verizon for a couple of years since I moved back to the TC area. The 
only coverage issues I've had are up in Elk River where I did some consulting 
and I'd loose signal inside at a client site. Otherwise I've never had 
coverage issues. Last winter I moved to their America's Choice plan so the 
phone works all over the country without roaming. (At least in the places I 
tend to go.) I've never had any issues with there customer service. I've done 
business with the Verizon store at Mall of America a few times, service 
upgrades, new phones, etc. The folks there are helpful and seem to know their 
products. 

FWIW I now use a Motorola T720 and my wife has one of the lower end ($29.95) 
Motorolas that they have the buy one get one free offers on all the time. 
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From nota12b at mail.iglide.net  Fri May  2 13:03:06 2003
From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] WINE-perfect?
Message-ID: <200305021203.AA1309212770@mail.iglide.net>

I'm about *this* close to cutting Winders loose on the laptop. A 
couple of things that are left to iron out... Does anybody have 
experience with WINE and WordPerfect v10? And eTools (D&D 
character generator - designed for/requiring IE5.5 *never got it 
to work with* or IE6.0 *works fine, but it's IE!!)

On a semi-related subject, anybody have SuSE8.2 iso's yet - that 
would be going to the beermeeting tonight? Happily ensure you have 
an off-site backup that are fully functional! <8-)

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From kcbnac at myrealbox.com  Fri May  2 13:20:22 2003
From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
Message-ID: <3EB2B6E6.1000603@myrealbox.com>

Does anyone know of any *free* Disk imaging software, like PowerQuest's 
Drive Image?  Here's what all I would like to do:

Boot off of floppy (so CD-ROM drive can be used to provide disk image)
Ability to load image off of network drive (not needed, but nice feature)
Easy to use (GUI, if possible)
Support for FAT 16/32, NTFS and Linux.
Shrinks to size of data (lobs off empty space) also, compression.  Fit 
on 1 CD-ROM (Or else span multiple disks)

We're doing some testing, so I would like to have a disk image I can 
just drop in.  Also, have one that we can use to just drop it in any system.

Thanks!


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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri May  2 13:17:21 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
In-Reply-To: <3EB2B6E6.1000603@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021316140.2160-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Keith wrote:

> Does anyone know of any *free* Disk imaging software, like PowerQuest's 
> Drive Image?  Here's what all I would like to do:

Search the archives for "ghetto ghost".  Using some combination of dd,
tar, netcat, and bzip you can probably homebrew whatever you're trying to
do.

-Brian


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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Fri May  2 13:22:41 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7A@mail.temgweb.com>

> Search the archives for "ghetto ghost".  Using some combination of dd,

I wrote that!  :)

I don't remember the commands off the top of my head.  But it worked fine
for me, I did several machines using this method and it worked fine every
time.  Just make sure the drive you are imaging to has at least the same
amount of space as the source.  Otherwise it won't work.

Jay

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From list at slushpupie.com  Fri May  2 13:22:49 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] WINE-perfect?
In-Reply-To: <200305021203.AA1309212770@mail.iglide.net>
References: <200305021203.AA1309212770@mail.iglide.net>
Message-ID: <200305021322.49656.list@slushpupie.com>

Check out crossover office..  it lets you use IE in Linux (scary thought- but 
it seems to work).  Not sure about WPv10, is there a Unix version of it? I 
know they always used to have Unix versions...

Jay

On Friday 02 May 2003 01:03 pm, Wil wrote:
> I'm about *this* close to cutting Winders loose on the laptop. A
> couple of things that are left to iron out... Does anybody have
> experience with WINE and WordPerfect v10? And eTools (D&D
> character generator - designed for/requiring IE5.5 *never got it
> to work with* or IE6.0 *works fine, but it's IE!!)
>
> On a semi-related subject, anybody have SuSE8.2 iso's yet - that
> would be going to the beermeeting tonight? Happily ensure you have
> an off-site backup that are fully functional! <8-)
>
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri May  2 13:31:24 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] WINE-perfect?
In-Reply-To: <200305021322.49656.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305021329480.2160-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:

> Check out crossover office..  it lets you use IE in Linux (scary thought- but 
> it seems to work).  Not sure about WPv10, is there a Unix version of it? I 
> know they always used to have Unix versions...

Version 8 ran on linux.  Terribly, but it ran.  XFree 4.x broke it and
required a bunch of library changes and stuff.. messy to say the
least.  It should work OK in Crossover, but I haven't actually tried it
yet.

-Brian



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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Fri May  2 13:41:12 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>

I have a demo version of InterMapper for linux (http://www.dartware.com).
It's probably the best monitoring tool I've ever used, but historically,
it's only been available on Mac, until now.  It's very very fast, and takes
very little resources.  Has auto-discovery, and it just plain works great.
Oh, and it's very cheap compared to most other commercial products.  

I'm currently evaluating some monitoring products which need to keep track
of a few hundred network devices, and several hundred network links
(traffic, interface down, etc..).

Right now, I'm using Nagios (http://www.nagios.org) and Cacti
(http://www.raxnet.net), however, Nagios is a nightmare to administer with
this many devices (edit 3 config files to add or remove a single device),
and Cacti is not really really scalable enough at this point to handle this
many links.  There's a threaded daemon available for Cacti, but it's not
fully mature yet, and the release version of it is very tedious to set up
with this many devices.

Besides device monitoring, I need 2 more things.  I need to be able to keep
historical traffic data for all of our links, and I also need something that
will generate an "executive report" every week which lists the percentage of
network uptime, a listing of outages, and also a list of the links which
exceed an average of 60% utilization any day of the week.

Unfortunately, Intermapper only provides the monitoring portion of this.  It
has some graphing capabilities, but not really a full fledged database of
past data that I can go back and look at like with Cacti or Cricket.  Also,
it doesn't seem to offer any sort of executive reporting option.  I could
write something if I could figure out how to pull info from it, and ideally,
I would like it if I could make intermapper's traffic polling save the data
to an RRD database.  Has anyone tried this?

I'm looking at some other products also, however, they are much more
expensive, and unfortunately, many of them are like 4 different products
hacked together into one web interface, which is fine and dandy, but
typically, at least one of the products hacked in is something that sucks.

Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a requirement.  Ease of
administration is a must though because there are just too many devices and
links to have to add them using a tedious process.  Also, the monitoring
program must not only check for down devices, but also alert when a device
has a down interface (like a frame link or something).  Both Nagios and
Intermapper do this.

Big Brother is not what I'm looking for.  Nagios is close, except for the
administration part of it.  Cacti comes close for traffic management, and
will probably fit the bill when the new version comes out, but it's not
ready yet.  Using Nagios and Cacti, I could very easily write something in
Perl that would generate a weekly report.  Still kind of a hack, but at
least I would have control over what it does.  But I'm still willing to pay
money if I can find something that does it all well, and is not going to
take up obscene amounts of my time for day to day administration.

Jay

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From adamm at sihope.com  Fri May  2 13:47:39 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305021346470.12304-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

We are using NOCOL/snips and have been pretty happy with it.  It does
everything we need, and is pretty easy for us to add to it when we need
to.  I'm not sure of all of your requirements, but it works well in our
situation.


On Fri, 2 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I have a demo version of InterMapper for linux (http://www.dartware.com).
> It's probably the best monitoring tool I've ever used, but historically,
> it's only been available on Mac, until now.  It's very very fast, and takes
> very little resources.  Has auto-discovery, and it just plain works great.
> Oh, and it's very cheap compared to most other commercial products.  
> 
> I'm currently evaluating some monitoring products which need to keep track
> of a few hundred network devices, and several hundred network links
> (traffic, interface down, etc..).
> 
> Right now, I'm using Nagios (http://www.nagios.org) and Cacti
> (http://www.raxnet.net), however, Nagios is a nightmare to administer with
> this many devices (edit 3 config files to add or remove a single device),
> and Cacti is not really really scalable enough at this point to handle this
> many links.  There's a threaded daemon available for Cacti, but it's not
> fully mature yet, and the release version of it is very tedious to set up
> with this many devices.
> 
> Besides device monitoring, I need 2 more things.  I need to be able to keep
> historical traffic data for all of our links, and I also need something that
> will generate an "executive report" every week which lists the percentage of
> network uptime, a listing of outages, and also a list of the links which
> exceed an average of 60% utilization any day of the week.
> 
> Unfortunately, Intermapper only provides the monitoring portion of this.  It
> has some graphing capabilities, but not really a full fledged database of
> past data that I can go back and look at like with Cacti or Cricket.  Also,
> it doesn't seem to offer any sort of executive reporting option.  I could
> write something if I could figure out how to pull info from it, and ideally,
> I would like it if I could make intermapper's traffic polling save the data
> to an RRD database.  Has anyone tried this?
> 
> I'm looking at some other products also, however, they are much more
> expensive, and unfortunately, many of them are like 4 different products
> hacked together into one web interface, which is fine and dandy, but
> typically, at least one of the products hacked in is something that sucks.
> 
> Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
> monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a requirement.  Ease of
> administration is a must though because there are just too many devices and
> links to have to add them using a tedious process.  Also, the monitoring
> program must not only check for down devices, but also alert when a device
> has a down interface (like a frame link or something).  Both Nagios and
> Intermapper do this.
> 
> Big Brother is not what I'm looking for.  Nagios is close, except for the
> administration part of it.  Cacti comes close for traffic management, and
> will probably fit the bill when the new version comes out, but it's not
> ready yet.  Using Nagios and Cacti, I could very easily write something in
> Perl that would generate a weekly report.  Still kind of a hack, but at
> least I would have control over what it does.  But I'm still willing to pay
> money if I can find something that does it all well, and is not going to
> take up obscene amounts of my time for day to day administration.
> 
> Jay
> 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May  2 14:01:34 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021401190.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
> monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a requirement.

Have you tried OpenNMS?

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From adamm at sihope.com  Fri May  2 14:06:25 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305021401190.3598-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305021405530.12304-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

Actually, I forgot to mention that this was covered at the TCSA meeting a
couple of months ago:

http://www.tcsa.org/monitoring/


On Fri, 2 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Fri, 2 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
> > monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a requirement.
> 
> Have you tried OpenNMS?
> 
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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Fri May  2 14:06:05 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7C@mail.temgweb.com>

I couldn't get it to work when I tried it about a year ago.  I think there's
a mandrake package for it now though, I'll try that.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:02 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] monitoring software
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
> > monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a requirement.
> 
> Have you tried OpenNMS?
> 
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> 
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From kremer at ringworld.org  Fri May  2 14:24:51 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305021034530.7771-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305021412570.30485-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

I don't have a cell phone company that I swear by (yet) but since I
changed from t-mobile to AT&T I have had quite good customer service and
coverage.  I did just change to AT&T's "next generation" plan (GSM) and
the coverage area is a bit smaller than the t-mobile area, but rumor has
it that that is going to change big time soon.
I do have a company that I swore at a lot.  Literally.  If you actually
care about customer service, t-mobile is horrible.  As long as you never
have problems they're great, but I started having problems with my service
and they started telling me stupid things like "you need to reboot your
phone 3 times a day or it won't switch from tower to tower"
As long as you're easy going and low maintenance, they're a decent
provider, I guess.  My mom and sister haven't had any major problems with
them.  Another upside for t-mobile is they're really good about
replacement phones if you buy your phone from them.  Within a year of
purchase if you have any problems with your phone and you didn't drop it
or run it over, they'll send you an advance replacement with pre-paid
return postage.  So...t-mobile may be a really good provider for you, or a
really bad one, depending upon what you're looking for.

P.S. On a linux note, when t-mobile told me I had to reboot my phone 3
times a day, they also said that was just like a computer...
I told them that was insane.  I would never willingly use (and definitely
not pay for) a computer that I had to reboot 3 times a day for it to
function properly.  I told them I run an operating system on my computer
that I only need to reboot once every couple months on average, and I
expect the same from cellular service.

-------------
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of music,
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity."
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  2 15:43:35 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] acrobat reader 5.0.6
Message-ID: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com>

Upgraded to acrobat reader 5.0.6 and I have a weird problem.

When I search a pdf, I get the following error:

This operation is not permitted.

Anyone else getting this error?

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May  2 15:47:59 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7A@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7A@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <32249.63.137.56.228.1051908479.squirrel@dccmn.com>

I downloaded and searched the entire archive and no ghetto ghost, except
for these recent emails.

Austad, Jay said:
>> Search the archives for "ghetto ghost".  Using some combination of dd,
>
> I wrote that!  :)
>
> I don't remember the commands off the top of my head.  But it worked
> fine for me, I did several machines using this method and it worked fine
> every time.  Just make sure the drive you are imaging to has at least
> the same amount of space as the source.  Otherwise it won't work.
>
> Jay
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri May  2 15:48:11 2003
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] acrobat reader 5.0.6
In-Reply-To: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com>
References: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305021547020.3617-100000@dragon>

Hey,

On Fri, 2 May 2003 tanner@real-time.com wrote:

> Upgraded to acrobat reader 5.0.6 and I have a weird problem.
> When I search a pdf, I get the following error:
> This operation is not permitted.
> Anyone else getting this error?

Works fine on my 5.0.6... did you checked the "Include the following
options" box in Step 2 when you downloaded?


-Yaron

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May  2 15:49:23 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:16 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] acrobat reader 5.0.6
In-Reply-To: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com>
References: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <32385.63.137.56.228.1051908563.squirrel@dccmn.com>

If this version is like the previous, there are two downloads, one with
and one without search.

> Upgraded to acrobat reader 5.0.6 and I have a weird problem.
>
> When I search a pdf, I get the following error:
>
> This operation is not permitted.
>
> Anyone else getting this error?
>
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From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us  Fri May  2 16:07:20 2003
From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
In-Reply-To: <32249.63.137.56.228.1051908479.squirrel@dccmn.com>
References: <32249.63.137.56.228.1051908479.squirrel@dccmn.com>
Message-ID: <1051909640.852.7.camel@petra>

<snip/>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:14:53 -0500
From: "Austad, Jay" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Subject: [TCLUG] Ghetto Ghost

So, since I don't have a copy of ghost, and I don't think ghost works
with
Linux anyway, I used a couple of commands which did the same thing.

I need to clone one of my machines to about 10 other ones.  And
because of the level of customization, it would take forever to do by
hand.  So,
I downloaded Tom's root boot floppy from http://www.toms.net.  The
machine I needed to clone was booted in read-only mode, it had an ip of
10.10.220.53.
I then booted the other machine with Tom's root boot disk and gave it
the ip
10.10.220.21.  On the one I wanted to clone to, I did:
nc -l -n -v -p 6666 > /dev/sda

On the machine I wanted to clone from, I did:
cat /dev/sda | nc -n -v 10.10.220.21 6666

After a couple of hours, the command finished.  I unplugged the
network cable from the new machine (since it was a clone with the same
ip as
the other one), and rebooted.  It cloned the MBR, the partition table,
and
all of the data.  The machine seems to work perfectly.  I changed the ip
on it, and stuck it into production and it's been performing flawlessly
all
morning.

Jay
<snip/>



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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May  2 16:23:20 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305021412570.30485-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305021412570.30485-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305021620530.11688-100000@conformity.technicality.org>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Justin Kremer wrote:
> I did just change to AT&T's "next generation" plan (GSM) and the
> coverage area is a bit smaller than the t-mobile area, but rumor has it
> that that is going to change big time soon.

Well, yeah, T-Mobile and AT&T just signed a GSM roaming agreement for this 
area.  :)

> I do have a company that I swore at a lot.  Literally.  If you actually
> care about customer service, t-mobile is horrible.  As long as you never
> have problems they're great, but I started having problems with my
> service and they started telling me stupid things like "you need to
> reboot your phone 3 times a day or it won't switch from tower to tower"

wow, i've had my fair share of problems, and they've always been very 
helpful, once i actually ring through to a technician.

usually, after i've had a cell phone for ~9mo (from any provider) it just 
starts doing weird stuff and dropping it's signal.. t-mobile's been great 
about replacing them. i guess i'm just hard on phones.. only one i've had 
last is an old nokia 6190 (which my fiancee has been using the last two 
years, after i had it for around a year and a half..)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  2 16:34:33 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D34F6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D34F6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <200305021634.33627@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 02 May 2003 11:21 am, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> I am working on an install of SuSE exchange server and I think I have the
> fetchmail set up ok but when I try to connect to it from outside my network
> it says it cant connect....it is my understanding that I should be able to
> just type the ip in my browser and get the logon screen.....i have DSL and
> a static ip on the server and router....anyone can help???? Dan

Are you running a iptables/iptchains?

As root, on the suse box, what does iptables -L or ipchains -L give you?


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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  2 16:35:39 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging
In-Reply-To: <3EB2B6E6.1000603@myrealbox.com>
References: <3EB2B6E6.1000603@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <200305021635.39569@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 02 May 2003 01:20 pm, Keith wrote:
> Does anyone know of any *free* Disk imaging software, like PowerQuest's
> Drive Image?  Here's what all I would like to do:
>
> Boot off of floppy (so CD-ROM drive can be used to provide disk image)
> Ability to load image off of network drive (not needed, but nice feature)
> Easy to use (GUI, if possible)
> Support for FAT 16/32, NTFS and Linux.
> Shrinks to size of data (lobs off empty space) also, compression.  Fit
> on 1 CD-ROM (Or else span multiple disks)
>
> We're doing some testing, so I would like to have a disk image I can
> just drop in.  Also, have one that we can use to just drop it in any
> system.


I think mondo might work for you. Search freshmeat for it.


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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  2 16:38:21 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <200305021638.21890@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 02 May 2003 01:41 pm, Austad, Jay wrote:
> I have a demo version of InterMapper for linux (http://www.dartware.com).
> It's probably the best monitoring tool I've ever used, but historically,
> it's only been available on Mac, until now.  It's very very fast, and takes
> very little resources.  Has auto-discovery, and it just plain works great.
> Oh, and it's very cheap compared to most other commercial products.

I like opennms. Just haven't had time to deploy it at real time yet.

If you are a java hacker, it's got a sweet api and ties into all sorts of 
great stuff.

Last I read it even has netsaint plugin capabilities, so you can migrate off 
from slowly.


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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  2 16:39:03 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] acrobat reader 5.0.6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305021547020.3617-100000@dragon>
References: <20030502154335.C10043@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305021547020.3617-100000@dragon>
Message-ID: <200305021639.03470@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 02 May 2003 03:48 pm, Yaron wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Fri, 2 May 2003 tanner@real-time.com wrote:
> > Upgraded to acrobat reader 5.0.6 and I have a weird problem.
> > When I search a pdf, I get the following error:
> > This operation is not permitted.
> > Anyone else getting this error?
>
> Works fine on my 5.0.6... did you checked the "Include the following
> options" box in Step 2 when you downloaded?

Yes.


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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Fri May  2 16:41:38 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] acrobat reader 5.0.6
Message-ID: <seb29fde.075@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

It may be that PDFs can be created searchable 
and non-searchable. Any "Acrobat" users know?

Or is this a document you could search with a 
previous version?

Just some possibilities, no solid answer, sorry.

>>> tanner@real-time.com 05/02/03 03:43PM >>>
Upgraded to acrobat reader 5.0.6 and I have a weird problem.

When I search a pdf, I get the following error:

This operation is not permitted.

Anyone else getting this error?

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May  1 11:11:54 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] May's TCLUG meeting
Message-ID: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>

Sorry this is so late, but I have been trying to get a speaker for
the meeting. No, I didn't have any luck, but I think we will have a
meeting anyway. 

Since we don't have a topic we will have an open discussion. So if you
have anything you'd like to talk about or present, feel free.
Otherwise just come on down to listen and to meet other TCLUG members.

Also, I can't make it to the meeting but I have a ton of material and
SB tickets I wanted to give away. Anyone from the Andover/Coon Rapids
area planning on going to the meeting? Shoot me an email.

When:
May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm

Topic:
Open Discussion

Where:
University of Minnesota
Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
Room EE-CS 3-180

More info the the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/

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From david at acz.org  Fri May  2 19:58:20 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <007901c3110f$16de60c0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Austad, Jay writes:
> Nagios is a nightmare to administer
> with this many devices (edit 3 config files to add or remove a single
> device)

I'm not familiar with the software, but the solution might be the same as
other software: store the configuration in a database and generate the
config files on the fly from the database.  You can then write a simple web
interface (or command line scripts) to administrate it.

> I could write something if I could
> figure out how to pull info from it, and ideally, I would like it if
> I could make intermapper's traffic polling save the data to an RRD
> database.  Has anyone tried this?

You're probably familiar with MRTG, but MRTG is quite flexible.  It is very
easy to generate data for MRTG from anything (even if it has nothing to do
with traffic graphs).

>  Using Nagios and Cacti, I could very
> easily write something in Perl that would generate a weekly report.
> Still kind of a hack, but at least I would have control over what it
> does.

There's nothing wrong with that.  Finding a product that generates reports
for your specific needs can be hard to find.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May  2 21:50:40 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] May's TCLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>
References: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20030502215040.390980a7.sfertch@real-time.com>

> When:
> May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm
> 
> Topic:
> Open Discussion
> 
> Where:
> University of Minnesota
> Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
> Room EE-CS 3-180
> 

This is on a Monday, instead of the typical 1st Saturday of the month?

-- 
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of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
their views...  which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one
of the facts that need altering.   --Doctor Who, "Face of Evil"

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May  2 22:44:41 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] May's TCLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <20030502215040.390980a7.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com> <20030502215040.390980a7.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030503034441.GS7762@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 09:50:40PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
>> When:
>> May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm
>> 
>> Topic:
>> Open Discussion
>> 
>> Where:
>> University of Minnesota
>> Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
>> Room EE-CS 3-180
>> 
>
>This is on a Monday, instead of the typical 1st Saturday of the month?
I sure hope not.  The website is correct (I think)
http://tclug.org/meetings/
>
>-- 
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat May  3 16:53:49 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] TV stuff, etc. (kind of long)
Message-ID: <1051998830.27012.1333.camel@3po.thodt.net>

I mentioned at the meeting today that I've been playing with MythTV[1]
and some other TV applications on Linux.  I chatted with someone for a
while toward the end of the meeting and he gave me his card so I could
send him a copy of this e-mail directly, but I must have dropped it
somewhere.  Sorry, hopefully he'll find this note eventually.


Anyway, I've been using MythTV off and on since late last year.  I
purchased an ATI TV-Wonder[2] (not the VE[3], which is missing stereo
and S-Video).  First, I tried version 0.7, which kind of fell off into
the abyss in February or March when the program it uses to download TV
listings, XMLTV, became incompatible somehow.  Some weeks passed, and
then version 0.8 came out about mid-March (it should be noted that a
development version was available through CVS the whole time).

Around this time, my roommates and I got forced out of the place I was
living in and I ended up living on my own.  While I had originally
dedicated a roommate's old 1GHz/133FSB Athlon box for recording and
playing, I now only have my 1.3GHz/266FSB Athlon desktop to do encoding.

Originally, I'd been encoding MythTV's hacked-up version of MPEG4 video
at 480x480 resolution, but I increased that to 640x480 on my desktop. 
That might be a little too much, and the encoding can skip quite a bit
when I'm actively using my machine while it's recording.  However,
version 0.8 has the nifty feature of allowing encoder and player
computers to be separated.  I have often watched shows on my 1GHz PIII
laptop (connected via a 100Mbit/s switch, though the actual bitstream is
on the order of 3500kbit/s), though the LCD screen leaves something to
be desired in viewability..

When I was using version 0.7, I had been trying to play the video on
other machines with other programs, but I never had any luck.  There is
a patch[5] to play version 0.8 files with MPlayer[6], though.


Other than MythTV, I've also been playing with a program called
tvtime[7], which goes a step further than most TV applications for Linux
and lets you watch 60FPS deinterlaced video, though it takes a lot of
CPU time to do it.  The CVS version I've been watching also features two
somewhat flaky 3:2 pulldown algorithms for producing 24FPS output when
watching movies and other "filmed" shows on TV (I think they get
confused more often than they should because so much content on TV these
days gets run through black boxes that do "time compression" and screw
up the framerate).  But, when it works, it's beautiful..

For people stuck in Windows and for the curious, tvtime borrows a lot of
code and ideas from another open-source project called DScaler[8].


Okay, it's becoming obvious that I watch way too much TV ;-)
I'll quit now.


References:

1. http://www.mythtv.org/ (currently having DNS troubles?)
2. http://www.ati.com/products/pc/tvwonder/
   ATI TV-Wonder
   (hmm, now listed as a "legacy" product)
3. http://www.ati.com/products/pc/tvwonderve/
   ATI TV-Wonder VE
4. http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/
   XMLTV
5. http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/mythtv/mplayer-0.90pre10+mythtv.patch
   MPlayer patch
6. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
7. http://tvtime.sf.net/ (can't connect to them at the moment either)
8. http://deinterlace.sf.net/
   DScaler

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From clay at fandre.com  Sat May  3 21:13:56 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:17 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] May's TCLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <20030502215040.390980a7.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com> <20030502215040.390980a7.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030504021356.GB22860@fandre.com>


On Fri, 02 May 2003, Shawn wrote:

> > When:
> > May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm
> > 
> > Topic:
> > Open Discussion
> > 
> > Where:
> > University of Minnesota
> > Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
> > Room EE-CS 3-180
> > 
> 
> This is on a Monday, instead of the typical 1st Saturday of the month?
>

No, the meeting was today. Sorry for the confusion. There were some
problems with the email system. I also sent out a correction message
but that didn't come through.

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May  1 11:11:54 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] May's TCLUG meeting
Message-ID: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>

Sorry this is so late, but I have been trying to get a speaker for
the meeting. No, I didn't have any luck, but I think we will have a
meeting anyway. 

Since we don't have a topic we will have an open discussion. So if you
have anything you'd like to talk about or present, feel free.
Otherwise just come on down to listen and to meet other TCLUG members.

Also, I can't make it to the meeting but I have a ton of material and
SB tickets I wanted to give away. Anyone from the Andover/Coon Rapids
area planning on going to the meeting? Shoot me an email.

When:
May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm

Topic:
Open Discussion

Where:
University of Minnesota
Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
Room EE-CS 3-180

More info the the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May  1 11:19:26 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] May's TCLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>
References: <20030501161154.GA21737@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20030501161926.GB21737@fandre.com>

Whoops. I just realized that Saturday is the 3rd, not the 5th.

The meeting is this Saturday, May 3rd from noon-2pm.

On Thu, 01 May 2003, Clay Fandre wrote:

> Sorry this is so late, but I have been trying to get a speaker for
> the meeting. No, I didn't have any luck, but I think we will have a
> meeting anyway. 
> 
> Since we don't have a topic we will have an open discussion. So if you
> have anything you'd like to talk about or present, feel free.
> Otherwise just come on down to listen and to meet other TCLUG members.
> 
> Also, I can't make it to the meeting but I have a ton of material and
> SB tickets I wanted to give away. Anyone from the Andover/Coon Rapids
> area planning on going to the meeting? Shoot me an email.
> 
> When:
> May 5th, 2003, noon - 2pm
> 
> Topic:
> Open Discussion
> 
> Where:
> University of Minnesota
> Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building
> Room EE-CS 3-180
> 
> More info the the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/
> 
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From peter-clark at bethel.edu  Sun May  4 08:45:55 2003
From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
Message-ID: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>

	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
(http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just _how_ 
difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like layout. 
Well, I guess this would require everything to be patched and recompiled (not 
a problem for Gentoo users, right? :) Has anyone ever tried this? Well, while 
I'm dreaming, I would also patch all programs that store data in 
$HOME/.program-name-rc to $HOME/.dotfiles/.program-name-rc or something like 
that. Any other ideas? 
	:Peter
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Sun May  4 09:34:29 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305040929510.9979-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Sun, 4 May 2003, Peter Clark wrote:

> 	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
> (http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just _how_ 
> difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like layout.

While not an OSX layout, I myself have played around with file structure
on linux.  It's really easy to move stuff around, but often times I needed
symlinks and that got a little hairy.  Certainly Gentoo or LFS would be
easy distros to reconfigure the filesystem.  I guess the real question is
WHY?  I realized after moving things around that my efforts were somewhat
pointless.  Sure, I had a layout that made sense to me, but no one
else.  Then when I sat down on another linux box I was lost again, because
I was used to my filesystem.  I gave up and decided that since the linux
layout works, and all distros use it, there's really no need to go
changing it.

-Brian


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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Sun May  4 10:59:27 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Sun, May 04, 2003 at 08:45:55AM -0500
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <20030504105927.A12231@thinkunix.net>

WHY?
If you like the OS X layout, run OS X.  
If you don't want to spend money for an os, there's always Darwin x86.

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
http://darwin.monkeyvoodoo.net/

If you really want to build yet another linux distro, use LFS.

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

Peter Clark wrote:
> 	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
> (http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just _how_ 
> difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like layout. 

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Sun May  4 11:57:48 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <20030504165748.GV7762@autonomous.tv>

On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 08:45:55AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
>	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
>(http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just _how_ 
>difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like layout. 
>Well, I guess this would require everything to be patched and recompiled (not 
>a problem for Gentoo users, right? :) Has anyone ever tried this? Well, while 
>I'm dreaming, I would also patch all programs that store data in 
>$HOME/.program-name-rc to $HOME/.dotfiles/.program-name-rc or something like 
>that. Any other ideas? 
How odd.  That is one of the things I don't like about OSX, its file
structure.  Is there some particlual reason you want to do this?  Or is
it the reason why I find myself doing silly things. BECAUSE I CAN. hehe

As far as the logisistics of doing this...  I suspect it will be less
than simple.  However, I have never tried such a task, so I really don't
know.  Well, at least not if you want to do things like use a package
manager to install/update packages, or remembering to set all the
--prefix and such lines correctly when you compile new software.

I bet it will keep you busy though. :)
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From peter-clark at bethel.edu  Sun May  4 14:14:34 2003
From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <20030504165748.GV7762@autonomous.tv>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030504165748.GV7762@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <200305041414.34929.peter-clark@bethel.edu>

On Sunday 04 May 2003 11:57 am, SpencerUnderground wrote:
> How odd.  That is one of the things I don't like about OSX, its file
> structure.  Is there some particlual reason you want to do this?  Or is
> it the reason why I find myself doing silly things. BECAUSE I CAN. hehe
	Ok, I shouldn't have said anything about OSX. That's a sure-fire way of 
getting knee-jerk reactions ("If you like OSX so much, why doncha use it, ya 
weenie?") and otherwise intelligent people are reduced to flaming idiots. But 
your suggestion was right on the money: because I can (or rather, could). 
Because after using Linux as my one and only desktop for 4+ years, I'm left 
wondering if maybe a thirty year old file system is not the best way of 
organizing things. Sure, back in the old days, things were kept short because 
you had to type everything in, but in these modern days of GUIs and 
tab-completion, it makes sense to re-evaluate how things are done. 
	One complaint I have is that there are too many choices for where things can 
go. Where are _your_ system-wide Mozilla plugins? They can go in:
	/usr/share/plugins
	/usr/share/netscape/plugins
	/usr/share/mozilla/plugins
	/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
	/usr/lib/mozilla/1.3a/plugins
	/usr/lib/mozilla/1.3/plugins
	/opt/netscape/plugins
	/opt/mozilla/plugins
	/usr/local/mozilla/plugins 
	...ad naseum...
	Or then there's poor /usr/bin: on my box there are 2169 files and symlinks in 
it. (My wife has infected me with the urge to sort, organize, arrange, tuck, 
and straighten. I used to be a very messy bachelor. :) The Linux Filesystem 
Standard seems to try to reduce this with /opt, but this only confuses 
issues. We already have /usr/X11R6/bin, why not further subdivide things?
	Of course, it would be tempting to have /Programs/KDE/Office/kword, but if I 
understand the issue correctly, having many directories in $PATH tends to 
slow it down. But on the other hand, I wouldn't ordinarily expect to call 
kword from the command line. $PATH could be reserved for programs that run in 
a terminal, while GUI programs are loaded either by an icon or by 
'/P{tab}K{tab}O{tab}kword'. Or, alternately, improve the shells so that they 
don't stall on long $PATH arguments. That way, everybody is happy: a more 
organized file system, a better-running shell, and one-word commands for 
those who insist on calling GUI programs from a terminal. 
	Hmm...just found the GNUStep Filesystem Hierarchy at 
http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/filesystem.ps. How does this 
compare to OSX and BeOS?

> As far as the logisistics of doing this...  I suspect it will be less
> than simple.  However, I have never tried such a task, so I really don't
> know.  Well, at least not if you want to do things like use a package
> manager to install/update packages, or remembering to set all the
> --prefix and such lines correctly when you compile new software.
	Yes, I'm afraid that you're probably right. Maybe someday, when I have more 
time and broader bandwidth, I could play around with Linux From Scratch and 
see if it is possible. 

> I bet it will keep you busy though. :)
	I'll put it on my todo list for rainy days. :)
	:Peter
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From nota12b at mail.iglide.net  Mon May  5 08:50:14 2003
From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Position opening for RH7.3/M$2K
Message-ID: <200305050750.AA163578140@mail.iglide.net>

Sadly beyond my abilities, but I thought it might be of some 
assistance to some on this list...

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?
op=1002&dockey=xml/7/5/75d787779c19a9fef6192869ef847536@activejobs0


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From jhaahei2 at gac.edu  Mon May  5 05:55:19 2003
From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu>

It would seem to me that there should be a file system map -- perhaps a 
text file in /etc -- that would layout the structure for the filesystem. 
  It could be made to be more specific (i.e. you could layout things 
like putting dotfiles into their folder.), but it could also be as 
general as "general-programs: /usr/lib/, general-binaries: /usr/bin/." 
 From an organizational standpoint, it would seem to me that this is 
something linux should have.  Linux as an os is becoming so flexible and 
dynamic that this seems like it should already be implemented. 
Implementation is, of course, the problem.  It would require all the 
package managers and make installs to look to that /etc file or to env 
variables for their install path, and that seems a bit daunting.  I'd be 
interested in  helping to develop it (as much as I can) not because 
linux needs a different layout, but because it needs to be more dynamic.

cheers
justin


Peter Clark wrote:
> 	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
> (http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just _how_ 
> difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like layout. 
> Well, I guess this would require everything to be patched and recompiled (not 
> a problem for Gentoo users, right? :) Has anyone ever tried this? Well, while 
> I'm dreaming, I would also patch all programs that store data in 
> $HOME/.program-name-rc to $HOME/.dotfiles/.program-name-rc or something like 
> that. Any other ideas? 
> 	:Peter


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From florin at iucha.net  Mon May  5 11:28:02 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <20030505162802.GJ1059@iucha.net>

On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 10:55:19AM +0000, Justin Haaheim wrote:
> It would seem to me that there should be a file system map -- perhaps a 
> text file in /etc -- that would layout the structure for the filesystem. 
>  It could be made to be more specific (i.e. you could layout things 
> like putting dotfiles into their folder.), but it could also be as 
> general as "general-programs: /usr/lib/, general-binaries: /usr/bin/." 
> From an organizational standpoint, it would seem to me that this is 
> something linux should have.  Linux as an os is becoming so flexible and 
> dynamic that this seems like it should already be implemented. 
> Implementation is, of course, the problem.  It would require all the 
> package managers and make installs to look to that /etc file or to env 
> variables for their install path, and that seems a bit daunting.  I'd be 
> interested in  helping to develop it (as much as I can) not because 
> linux needs a different layout, but because it needs to be more dynamic.
> 
> Peter Clark wrote:
> >	I was reading up on the Linux file system layout 
> >(http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html) and wonder just 
> >_how_ difficult it would be to remap the structure, say into a OSX-like 
> >layout. Well, I guess this would require everything to be patched and 
> >recompiled (not a problem for Gentoo users, right? :) Has anyone ever 
> >tried this? Well, while I'm dreaming, I would also patch all programs that 
> >store data in $HOME/.program-name-rc to $HOME/.dotfiles/.program-name-rc 
> >or something like that. Any other ideas? 


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From jhaahei2 at gac.edu  Mon May  5 06:43:08 2003
From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <20030505162802.GJ1059@iucha.net>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu> <20030505162802.GJ1059@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>

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On a slightly more serious note:
1) users should be able to customize how things are set up on their 
computer.  Hell, even windows lets you move around default directories.
2) standardization.  installers should look to one place to find out 
where to install themselves instead of assuming or guessing and getting 
programs installed in /usr/lib/ and /usr/local etc. etc. (not /etc).

the point is not that we need to change it, its that it should be 
dynamic enough so that it's possible.  Laying it out the way I suggested 
is just basic abstraction.  Every program shouldn't know where it's 
going to be installed on person x's computer.

justin


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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May  5 11:44:25 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF85@mail.temgweb.com>

I took a look at NOCOL, it looks like it's commercial and now called
NetVigil.  It actually looks quite impressive.  Is anyone using it?

I only need it for network devices, not servers.  So I'm not really
concerned too much about server monitoring functionality.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:48 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] monitoring software
> 
> 
> We are using NOCOL/snips and have been pretty happy with it.  It does
> everything we need, and is pretty easy for us to add to it 
> when we need
> to.  I'm not sure of all of your requirements, but it works 
> well in our
> situation.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > I have a demo version of InterMapper for linux 
> (http://www.dartware.com).
> > It's probably the best monitoring tool I've ever used, but 
> historically,
> > it's only been available on Mac, until now.  It's very very 
> fast, and takes
> > very little resources.  Has auto-discovery, and it just 
> plain works great.
> > Oh, and it's very cheap compared to most other commercial 
> products.  
> > 
> > I'm currently evaluating some monitoring products which 
> need to keep track
> > of a few hundred network devices, and several hundred network links
> > (traffic, interface down, etc..).
> > 
> > Right now, I'm using Nagios (http://www.nagios.org) and Cacti
> > (http://www.raxnet.net), however, Nagios is a nightmare to 
> administer with
> > this many devices (edit 3 config files to add or remove a 
> single device),
> > and Cacti is not really really scalable enough at this 
> point to handle this
> > many links.  There's a threaded daemon available for Cacti, 
> but it's not
> > fully mature yet, and the release version of it is very 
> tedious to set up
> > with this many devices.
> > 
> > Besides device monitoring, I need 2 more things.  I need to 
> be able to keep
> > historical traffic data for all of our links, and I also 
> need something that
> > will generate an "executive report" every week which lists 
> the percentage of
> > network uptime, a listing of outages, and also a list of 
> the links which
> > exceed an average of 60% utilization any day of the week.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, Intermapper only provides the monitoring 
> portion of this.  It
> > has some graphing capabilities, but not really a full 
> fledged database of
> > past data that I can go back and look at like with Cacti or 
> Cricket.  Also,
> > it doesn't seem to offer any sort of executive reporting 
> option.  I could
> > write something if I could figure out how to pull info from 
> it, and ideally,
> > I would like it if I could make intermapper's traffic 
> polling save the data
> > to an RRD database.  Has anyone tried this?
> > 
> > I'm looking at some other products also, however, they are much more
> > expensive, and unfortunately, many of them are like 4 
> different products
> > hacked together into one web interface, which is fine and dandy, but
> > typically, at least one of the products hacked in is 
> something that sucks.
> > 
> > Otherwise, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent
> > monitoring/reporting package?  Free is good, but not a 
> requirement.  Ease of
> > administration is a must though because there are just too 
> many devices and
> > links to have to add them using a tedious process.  Also, 
> the monitoring
> > program must not only check for down devices, but also 
> alert when a device
> > has a down interface (like a frame link or something).  
> Both Nagios and
> > Intermapper do this.
> > 
> > Big Brother is not what I'm looking for.  Nagios is close, 
> except for the
> > administration part of it.  Cacti comes close for traffic 
> management, and
> > will probably fit the bill when the new version comes out, 
> but it's not
> > ready yet.  Using Nagios and Cacti, I could very easily 
> write something in
> > Perl that would generate a weekly report.  Still kind of a 
> hack, but at
> > least I would have control over what it does.  But I'm 
> still willing to pay
> > money if I can find something that does it all well, and is 
> not going to
> > take up obscene amounts of my time for day to day administration.
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Mon May  5 12:05:51 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for DVD recordable drive
Message-ID: <20030505120551.58e55cbb.sfertch@real-time.com>

  I'm looking for an external SCSI DVD recordable drive that also does CD-R/RW.  I'm not having too much luck, as most I'm coming up with are USB or Firewire.  

  Anyone have some recommendations?  This will be used in a production environment with 30 + recordings a day.  Price range, probably looking at $500-1000.  Maybe more if needed.

  thanks.



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From blots at visi.com  Mon May  5 11:39:06 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
	<3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu> <20030505162802.GJ1059@iucha.net> 
	<3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <1052152747.1334.33.camel@lotsa>

On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 06:43, Justin Haaheim wrote:

> 1) users should be able to customize how things are set up on their 
> computer.  Hell, even windows lets you move around default directories.

Nothing is stopping anyone from putting anything wherever they want to.

> 2) standardization.  installers should look to one place to find out 
> where to install themselves instead of assuming or guessing and getting 
> programs installed in /usr/lib/ and /usr/local etc. etc. (not /etc).

You're talking of doing the opposite of standardization by putting stuff
in non standard places. 

The people who write and packages and the various linux distributions
decide where this stuff goes. They know a hell of a lot more about how
to organize a file system than the average user. The Idea behind a
distribution is to have this type of work completed so the users &
Admins don't have to. If a user decides he is more knowledgeable than
the people who put together the distribution then they are free to start
from scratch and put stuff wherever they want.

You are also free to canoe upstream without a paddle. Have fun. I'll be
in the motor boat drinking beer.

> the point is not that we need to change it, its that it should be 
> dynamic enough so that it's possible. 

It is very possible.

> Laying it out the way I suggested 
> is just basic abstraction.  Every program shouldn't know where it's 
> going to be installed on person x's computer.

So the question remains. Why? Someone has to decide where to put stuff.
The end user is probably the least qualified person to make that
decision. Although it is his computer and he is free to put it wherever
he wants. So what needs to be changed again?

- Tom


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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May  5 12:34:15 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for DVD recordable drive
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF88@mail.temgweb.com>

Just buy an internal scsi DVD-R drive, and put it in a generic 5.25"
external scsi enclosure.  You should be able to get an enclosure for under
$100 from thenerds.net, newegg.com, or even cdw.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:06 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for DVD recordable drive
> 
> 
>   I'm looking for an external SCSI DVD recordable drive that 
> also does CD-R/RW.  I'm not having too much luck, as most I'm 
> coming up with are USB or Firewire.  
> 
>   Anyone have some recommendations?  This will be used in a 
> production environment with 30 + recordings a day.  Price 
> range, probably looking at $500-1000.  Maybe more if needed.
> 
>   thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Shawn
> 
> "Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for 
> they will shape you."  --Albert Einstein 
> 
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Mon May  5 13:00:06 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for DVD recordable drive
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF88@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF88@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <20030505130006.52df7cc9.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Mon, 5 May 2003 12:34:15 -0500 
"Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com> wrote:

> Just buy an internal scsi DVD-R drive, and put it in a generic 5.25"
> external scsi enclosure.  You should be able to get an enclosure for
> under$100 from thenerds.net, newegg.com, or even cdw.
> 
> Jay
> 

I didn't think of doing that, I'll look into it.  Thanks.

The drive is being connected to a Unix box, either HP, Solaris, or IBM depending upon which brand will work best and is cost efficient.  I'd recommend Linux, but we dont support Linux in house.  As much as I'd like to, they won't let me.

-- 
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Mon May  5 13:07:16 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305051239390.13143-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Mon, 5 May 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote:

> 1) users should be able to customize how things are set up on their 
> computer.  Hell, even windows lets you move around default directories.

Under 9x, if you moved stuff around you found out who coded correctly
(%Start Menu%) and who just assumed things (c:\windows\Start
Menu).  Sadly, a lot of coders assumed things were left at default, and
you found out quickly who they were.  Usually it's best not to move
things, symlinks would have helped this but symlinks under Win9x are iffy
at best.

With 2K/XP, all the luser stuff stays in Documents and Settings\Luser\,
the programs stay in \Program Files\, and the System stuff stays in
\Windows\.  Once coders embrace it, a Windows box will have 3 root
directories and an empty root, and life will be good.  Actually, it will
kind of look like UNIX (/home, /usr, and /opt).

> 2) standardization.

???  I thought this thread was about moving stuff around to fit your
taste.  Last I checked, that's the opposite of standardization.  There is
a standard, it's being used, you want to create your own structure and
form a new standard to be non-standard?  Seriously dude, WHY are you
moving your stuff around?

And I love the 30-yr argument.  One side of the table (mostly funded by
Microsoft) says that since it's 30 yrs old, it needs to die.  The other
side (scary looking 50 yr old bearded hackers) say it worked from the
beginning, it works still, everyone uses it, why change?  It ain't
broken!

-Brian



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From kremer at ringworld.org  Mon May  5 14:32:44 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305051239390.13143-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305051429470.20628-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Mon, 5 May 2003, Brian wrote:
*snip*
> why change?  It ain't
> broken!
*snip*

Like I saw on this list before, "If it's not broken, fix it till it is"


-------------
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But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity."
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From jhaahei2 at gac.edu  Mon May  5 10:14:33 2003
From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305051239390.13143-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
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Let's clarify something first:  *I'm NOT* moving stuff around.  This 
thread was started by someone else.

Standardization is perhaps not the clearest term in this situation. 
It's more of a standard abstraction.

> The people who write and packages and the various linux distributions
> decide where this stuff goes. They know a hell of a lot more about how
> to organize a file system than the average user. The Idea behind a
> distribution is to have this type of work completed so the users &
> Admins don't have to. 

Sure.  It's great that the distributor decides this ahead of time, but 
the layout they choose is heavily dictated by the historical structure 
of the filesystem.  Essentially, we're stuck with what we have unless 
you want to go out and build your own distribution.  I'm not going to 
argue the reasons that someone might change the structure: I'm not 
trying to change it.  I, personally, have no reason to.  Say, however, a 
large company is installing linux as their primary operating system on 
all their machines and they want to rename and reorganize the filesystem 
so that it's more intuitive and explicit.  They're left with needing to 
build their own distribution which is overkill for a simple matter of 
renaming a /etc to /configuration.  Say, in a separate circumstance, a 
company want's to make their linux installations congruent with the 
filesystem of another os (for the learning curve or more technical 
reasons).  The fact is that none of these are practical as it is without 
building your own distribution which is silly given the number of 
distributions currently out there.

Abstracting the filesystem in the way I described wouldn't change 
anything for the end user, and the dumb ones wouldn't have to fool 
around with it.  It would be standardized because there would be a 
single file recognized as the place to go for information on the 
filesystem structure.

Justin

>>2) standardization.
> 
> 
> ???  I thought this thread was about moving stuff around to fit your
> taste.  Last I checked, that's the opposite of standardization.  There is
> a standard, it's being used, you want to create your own structure and
> form a new standard to be non-standard?  Seriously dude, WHY are you
> moving your stuff around?
> 
> And I love the 30-yr argument.  One side of the table (mostly funded by
> Microsoft) says that since it's 30 yrs old, it needs to die.  The other
> side (scary looking 50 yr old bearded hackers) say it worked from the
> beginning, it works still, everyone uses it, why change?  It ain't
> broken!
> 
> -Brian
> 
> 
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Mon May  5 15:29:11 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <3EB67FD9.7090008@gac.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305051239390.13143-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
	<3EB67FD9.7090008@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <20030505152911.4c29f0b8.sfertch@real-time.com>

Unfortunately, even among the major Unix brands, there isn't even a "standard" so to speak.  Sun, HP, IBM.  They all install to different spots.  Even in their ports of software, most times they install to different directories on a later version.

By that I'm not referring to /opt/java3.1 then the next relase being /opt/java4.  At times, they install it to /usr/opt/java on the subsequent releases.


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From nixnugget at linuxmail.org  Mon May  5 16:24:23 2003
From: nixnugget at linuxmail.org (Nix Nugget)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:19 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
Message-ID: <20030505212424.14854.qmail@linuxmail.org>

Why doesn't LSB dicatate ONE file structure that all distributions follow.  It would make life simpler for scripting multiple distros.
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From florin at iucha.net  Mon May  5 17:00:30 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu> <20030505162802.GJ1059@iucha.net> <3EB64E4C.3090205@gac.edu>
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On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 11:43:08AM +0000, Justin Haaheim wrote:
> The same reason you decided to spend the time to make that little ascii 
> picture.  ;-)

man banner

> On a slightly more serious note:
> 1) users should be able to customize how things are set up on their 
> computer.  Hell, even windows lets you move around default directories.

Cool, customize it.

> 2) standardization.  installers should look to one place to find out 
> where to install themselves instead of assuming or guessing and getting 
> programs installed in /usr/lib/ and /usr/local etc. etc. (not /etc).

"Which would that place be?"
"/foo"
"What if I fancy to move /foo to /baz?"
"You configure that into /metabar/superfoo."
"But I don't have a metabar either: it is bluesky on my machine."

Do you see where this is getting?

You have to agree on a fixed point in the system that will describe it
to the world.

> the point is not that we need to change it, its that it should be 
> dynamic enough so that it's possible.  Laying it out the way I suggested 
> is just basic abstraction.  Every program shouldn't know where it's 
> going to be installed on person x's computer.

It is possible, you just lose what the distributions can do for you.
If you do a ./configure --help on a behaving source distribution, it
allows you to set all the files to your heart content.

***

A user decides what goes on within his own home directory. He has no
business mucking around /. If he does, he gets to keep the pieces...

Cheers,
florin

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From joel at joelschneider.net  Mon May  5 20:55:37 2003
From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Sun, May 04, 2003 at 08:45:55AM -0500
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
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On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 08:45:55AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
> Any other ideas? 

Symlink farm?

You've looked at Linux Standard Base (http://www.linuxbase.org/) and
Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (ttp://www.pathname.com/fhs/)?

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From david at acz.org  Mon May  5 21:40:07 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <004301c31378$ce3048e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Justin Haaheim writes:
> It would seem to me that there should be a file system map -- perhaps
> a text file in /etc -- that would layout the structure for the
>   filesystem. It could be made to be more specific (i.e. you could
> layout things
> like putting dotfiles into their folder.), but it could also be as
> general as "general-programs: /usr/lib/, general-binaries: /usr/bin/."

Yes, that would be great idea.  Every program should be forced to consult a
non-standard file anytime it needs to access something.

There is a reason symlinks exist.  If everything is not put into a standard
and consistent location, things don't work.  Read this for more info:

http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage/finding.html

http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage/studies.html

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From estabroo at talkware.net  Tue May  6 11:04:47 2003
From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Idle musings on filesystem structure
In-Reply-To: <004301c31378$ce3048e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <200305040845.55089.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <3EB64317.6090300@gac.edu> <004301c31378$ce3048e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <3EB7DD1F.5090509@talkware.net>

One way to do it would be to make a vfs module and mount the area you 
want to be different under that module via loopback. so it would 
automatically put the .dotfiles in a special directory transparently and 
access to them would occur transparently as well.

Eric


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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Tue May  6 11:20:29 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA95@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

I don't think so I didn't set it up anyway....I'm not sure what I would have to do for that....could you point me to a nice how-to???
Thanks in advance.....
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] 
 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
> I am working on an install of SuSE exchange server and I think I have the
> fetchmail set up ok but when I try to connect to it from outside my network
> it says it cant connect....it is my understanding that I should be able to
> just type the ip in my browser and get the logon screen.....i have DSL and
> a static ip on the server and router....anyone can help???? Dan

Are you running a iptables/iptchains?

As root, on the suse box, what does iptables -L or ipchains -L give you?




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From bfriedman at excite.com  Tue May  6 12:01:22 2003
From: bfriedman at excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Teaching Linux in an IT environment
Message-ID: <20030506170122.A4A9B3D3B@xmxpita.excite.com>


I was drafted to teach Linux to some windoze users where I work.  They are admins and software testing types, and we will be doing more Linux stuff down the road.

There are a bajillion online references out there, but I wanted to provide some references designed for Linux newbies.

So, as the "book" for the training, I selected an open source book called rute - it covers a lot of ground in a lot of pages.

http://www.pucmmsti.edu.do/materias/fnunez/RUTE_TUT/RUTE.html
(there are also pdf versions out there)

I wanted to make sure that the participants have a solid background in Linux  (read:  so I didn't forget something  ;), so I am using the LPI certification guide as a reference list for the topics I need to cover.
http://lpi.org/p-obj-101rel2.html

Now for my questions:

Is anyone on the list familiar with the LPI exam?  If so, did its guidelines provide you with sufficient 'breathing room' to have a basic understanding of Linux?

Also, does anyone have suggestions for things that are "must-know" for a newbie audience?  These people aren't going to be developers or high level admins, just regular or power users.  It is amazing how much information people pick up about an OS when they have been around it for years(even windoze), and I am trying to fast-track the participants to being proficient Linux users in a relatively short time.

Thanks,

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From JamesMasters at attbi.com  Tue May  6 12:49:49 2003
From: JamesMasters at attbi.com (JamesMasters@attbi.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
Message-ID: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>

Hi,

I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost all 
registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that take paypal or 
mailed payment?

Thanks,
Jim

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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May  6 12:57:00 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200305061257.00359.list@slushpupie.com>

Some ISP's will do it for you, if you have a good relationship with them.  You 
might also find a friend with a CC to help out. 

Jay

On Tuesday 06 May 2003 12:49 pm, JamesMasters@attbi.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost all
> registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that take paypal
> or mailed payment?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
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From erik at andersonfam.org  Tue May  6 13:03:35 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CVS Reference?
Message-ID: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org>

I'm looking at having to take over management of our CVS server here at 
work.  I consider myself fairly competent doing just about anything on 
linux systems, but have never administered CVS trees.

I've read the tldp CVS Howto as well as a few other tutorials, all have 
which shed some light on the ins and outs of CVS administration, but I 
still don't feel totally at peace with the whole deal.

I'll probably end up buying a dead tree cvs book.  I'm looking at the 
O'Reilly "Essential CVS".  Has anyone had experience with this?  Any 
other CVS books I should check out?

Thanks!
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May  6 13:08:41 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305061302490.24997-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 6 May 2003, JamesMasters@attbi.com wrote:
> I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost
> all registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that
> take paypal or mailed payment?

Wow, that's one thing I've never been asked.  :)

If you've got a checking account (assuming you do since you can send
paypal), most banks will give you a check card for free, which you can use
like a credit card for internet purchases.. if you want to avoid real
credit cards, that may be a good solution. It's really hard to do business
over the internet without having a card with a Visa/Mastercard logo on it
these days.

If you're concerned about the security of your card, you could purchase
one of the "refillable" cards (ie, you buy a $100 card that you can use as
a Visa/MC), and use that.

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From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com  Tue May  6 13:11:27 2003
From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CVS Reference?
In-Reply-To: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org>
References: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <20030506181127.GD17606@mnsdev3>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 01:03:35PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote:
> I'm looking at having to take over management of our CVS server here at 
> work.  I consider myself fairly competent doing just about anything on 
> linux systems, but have never administered CVS trees.
> 
> I've read the tldp CVS Howto as well as a few other tutorials, all have 
> which shed some light on the ins and outs of CVS administration, but I 
> still don't feel totally at peace with the whole deal.
> 
> I'll probably end up buying a dead tree cvs book.  I'm looking at the 
> O'Reilly "Essential CVS".  Has anyone had experience with this?  Any 
> other CVS books I should check out?

Open Source Development With CVS by Karl Fogel, it's available for free
at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

And while you're at it go out and buy it too, because of the authors
choice to put it online for free (- specific chapters about Open Source) 


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From david.blevins at visi.com  Tue May  6 14:04:38 2003
From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CVS Reference?
In-Reply-To: <20030506181127.GD17606@mnsdev3>
References: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org> <20030506181127.GD17606@mnsdev3>
Message-ID: <20030506190438.GB14788@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 01:11:27PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 01:03:35PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote:
> > other CVS books I should check out?
> 
> Open Source Development With CVS by Karl Fogel, it's available for free
> at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

That's a great book.  That one and the O'Reilly CVS Pocket Reference are 
all I've ever needed.

-David

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From charon at netzero.net  Tue May  6 14:54:09 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection
In-Reply-To: <seae551f.056@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
References: <seae551f.056@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <3EB812E1.3020901@netzero.net>

Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> Hi LUG,
> 
> My brother has a Red Hat 7.3 firewall that loses it's link every once in a while (once every 2 or
> 3 weeks or so) to Comcasts cable internet service. The "cable modem" is an RCA model, but I
> cannot remember the model number. The problem is that it doesn't seem to want to come back up
> without intervention. The connection is configured via DHCP.
> 
> I was wondering if this sort of thing happens to any other Linux running users of their service.
> 
> 
> Troy

It could be the IP lease timeout, I guess. If not, then just a guess, but I'd think you have a
crappy combination of NIC/driver which bums out on you in certain conditions.
Those are for you to determine, check /var/log/messages for example to see if the nic says why it's
misbehaving.
As reassurance, I can tell you that I have Slackware running on a Toshiba Portege laptop (which
serves as a router) with 2 pcmcia nics, it too, gets its ip via dhcp. Welp, I left it a while ago
and didn't even think of leaving a way for myself to get in. Just recently, I had a friend who
happened to be near my house go in and check on it...  everything's just the way I left it, with the
uptime of about 200 days. That, sir, is on a _laptop_, and yes, there is daily traffic going through
it (so it's not just sitting there blinking the cursor)

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From admin at lctn.org  Tue May  6 15:17:54 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] gui for realtime monitoring
Message-ID: <006401c3140c$9404ee20$53ae6742@DELL2>

Presently, we use a number of ipcop boxes for firewalling, and squid-cache.
We have it set up with proxy_auth, so we can track web usage. This does a
nice job providing real-time info on connections, graphing, etc...


I installed sarge on a redhat box, and love the info it provides, but it
will not install on an ipcop box. (Maybe it will, but I don't know how to
get it done).

I have decided to set up a redhat server with two nics, squid and
dansguardian, so I can utilize the sarge program. I am hoping to find a
firewall script that will give me real-time connection, and status info (via
a web interface), like I was getting with ipcop.

Any ideas how I can accomplish this?


Raymond



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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue May  6 15:39:53 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
Message-ID: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>

Some discussion of apt came up during this month's meeting.  I don't
think everyone's questions were answered, so maybe people can remedy
that situation now..

I'm mostly looking at this from the Debian perspective, I'm not sure how
much translates to apt4rpm..

A few things I remember from the conversation:
  * dselect is a dpkg frontend, not an apt frontend, and it shouldn't be
    used unless you're on an apt-less machine (or you're on masochistic
    streak)
  * aptitude is a dselect-like apt frontend that is somewhat easier to
    use, and is a good thing to use for resolving conflicts when
    upgrading or installing sets of packages
  * apt-get is still the tool of choice when installing just a single
    package, though it was never really meant to be a user tool.

Also, if you want to get a list of packages that are going to be
retrieved during an apt-get upgrade, you can pass the `-u' flag (like
`apt-get -u upgrade').  If you'd always like to see the list of
packages, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add the line

  APT::Get::Show-Upgraded "true";

A number of people were wondering if there was an option available to
show the versions of the packages that will be retrieved with apt-get,
but I'm not sure if that's possible.  Another reason to use aptitude, I
guess.

Also, a bunch of people were interested in a utility that could show the
installation history of packages on a system.  This is useful for many
people, both from a personal and enterprise perspective.  It's always
nice to have some assistance in figuring out what package version was
the last one that worked.

Along these lines, some people were wondering about package repositories
for old packages, since things tend to get deleted from mirrors rather
quickly.  This would be hard to do, since there are so many packages out
there.  However, I was thinking today that it might be worthwhile for
many organizations to build package caching servers of their own.  The
apt-proxy package might be useful for people looking to do this (I think
I'll have to try it).

Here's something that I don't think really got discussed at the meeting,
but people might find interesting nonetheless.  I generally like to run
Debian's testing version on my desktop, but some of the packages I
install need newer versions of software that aren't available in testing
yet.  

I debated running my desktop as an unstable system, but decided that
would probably be a bad idea for me, since things tend to break for me
when I really need them.  I found a better alternative, which is to add
unstable sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list, but configure apt to only
retrieve packages from the testing branch by default.

I merely added the unstable sources, and added the following line to
/etc/apt/apt.conf (similar things can be done by editing
/etc/apt/preferences, but I'll leave that as a reader exercise):

  APT::Default-Release "testing";

Now, my system will usually try to download packages from the testing
branch, but I can override that and get packages from other branches by
doing

  apt-get -t unstable install <package>

or

  apt-get install <package>/unstable

Since it's hard to know what versions are available, you'll probably
want to install the apt-show-versions utility.  Doing `apt-show-versions
-a <package>' will list all available versions of a package.

Lastly, I thought I'd mention that you can "pin" specific packages to a
particular version or branch of a distribution in the
/etc/apt/preferences file.  I do this to keep my X server at the same
version, since I'm dependent upon Matrox for supplying me with a few
binaries when I want my dual-head display to work, and doing automatic
updates can cause version conflicts.

  Package: xserver-xfree86
  Pin: release v=4.2.1-3
  Pin-Priority: 1001

You can look at the apt_preferences manual page for more information..

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May  6 15:53:30 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20030506205330.GA15681@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Some discussion of apt came up during this month's meeting.  I don't
> think everyone's questions were answered, so maybe people can remedy
> that situation now..

Cool! Thank you for the good summary.

florin

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May  6 16:12:10 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305061611320.24997-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On 6 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Some discussion of apt came up during this month's meeting.  I don't
> think everyone's questions were answered, so maybe people can remedy
> that situation now..

Thanks much for the summary! I still hadn't bothered to figure out how to
install packages out of a different tree.. *grin*

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue May  6 16:27:10 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <1052256432.1258.198.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 15:39, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Also, a bunch of people were interested in a utility that could show the
> installation history of packages on a system.  This is useful for many
> people, both from a personal and enterprise perspective.  It's always
> nice to have some assistance in figuring out what package version was
> the last one that worked.

Whoops..  Forgot to mention that no one had a good suggestion for
something that could do this.  If anyone on the list knows something,
please let us know..

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From nate at refried.org  Tue May  6 16:40:16 2003
From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052256432.1258.198.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net> <1052256432.1258.198.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20030506214016.GA27513@refried.org>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:27:10PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 15:39, Mike Hicks wrote:
> > Also, a bunch of people were interested in a utility that could show the
> > installation history of packages on a system.  This is useful for many
> > people, both from a personal and enterprise perspective.  It's always
> > nice to have some assistance in figuring out what package version was
> > the last one that worked.
> 
> Whoops..  Forgot to mention that no one had a good suggestion for
> something that could do this.  If anyone on the list knows something,
> please let us know..

I'll note that aptitude does keep a log (at least the way I have it
configured).  The log file is /var/log/aptitude.  I looks something like
this:

Aptitude 0.2.11.1: log report
Wed Jan 22 17:13:54 2003


IMPORTANT: this log only lists intended actions; actions which fail due
to
dpkg problems may not be completed.

Will install 2 packages, and remove 1 packages.
16384 bytes of disk space will be used
===============================================================================
[INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] libgc6c102
[REMOVE, DEPENDENCIES] libgc6
[HOLD] boa
[HOLD] libwraster2
[HOLD] xlibmesa3
[UPGRADE] w3m 0.3.2.2-1 -> 0.3.2.2-2
===============================================================================

Log complete.


Nate

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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Tue May  6 16:44:44 2003
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <m2r87b6983.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

JamesMasters@attbi.com writes:

> I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost all 
> registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that take paypal or 
> mailed payment?

www.gandi.net does, if I understand their web pages correctly.  I've
never used that option, myself, so I never paid close attention to the
alternative.  They're also responsive, cheap (less cheap as the dollar
drops against the euro, but $13.51/year last I converted the numbers),
and appear to be competent.  
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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Tue May  6 16:44:05 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <20030506205330.GA15681@iucha.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030506205330.GA15681@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20030506214405.GO7762@autonomous.tv>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:53:30PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote:
>On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote:
>> Some discussion of apt came up during this month's meeting.  I don't
>> think everyone's questions were answered, so maybe people can remedy
>> that situation now..
>
>Cool! Thank you for the good summary.
>
>florin
Yes indeed! Thank you.
Very relevant stuff.


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From amy at real-time.com  Tue May  6 16:50:50 2003
From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052256432.1258.198.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net> <1052256432.1258.198.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20030506215049.GC30008@real-time.com>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:27:10PM -0500, Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu) wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 15:39, Mike Hicks wrote:
> > Also, a bunch of people were interested in a utility that could show the
> > installation history of packages on a system.  This is useful for many
> > people, both from a personal and enterprise perspective.  It's always
> > nice to have some assistance in figuring out what package version was
> > the last one that worked.
> 
> Whoops..  Forgot to mention that no one had a good suggestion for
> something that could do this.  If anyone on the list knows something,
> please let us know..

I too have looked for something like this on a debian-based system.
On rpm-based systems, I use rpm -qa --last | sort .  It doesn't show full
history but it atleast shows what was installed recently.


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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Tue May  6 17:56:31 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030506225631.GA1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 05:49:49PM +0000, JamesMasters@attbi.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost all 
> registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that take paypal or 
> mailed payment?

If you have paypal, you should just get the paypal debit card that functions
as a mastercard. mine has been serving me fine for 2+ years.

> 
> Thanks,
> Jim

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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Tue May  6 20:00:17 2003
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Multiple Public IP Broadband Router
Message-ID: <44726.192.168.0.3.1052269217.squirrel@192.168.0.3>

Hi,

Anyone have any experience with a broadband router (preferably wireless,
but wouldn't have to be) that supports multiple public IP's?  I was
looking at the MultiTech RF500S, but some reviews say it supports multiple
public IPs, some say it only supports one, some say it does after a
firmware upgrade.

After googling for an hour I am not seeing many inexpensive alternatives
so I figured I'd ping the list.

Thanks,

Josh Trutwin
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From crc1021 at myrealbox.com  Tue May  6 21:11:35 2003
From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric Lofstad)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20030506211135.143078eb.crc1021@myrealbox.com>

> 
> A number of people were wondering if there was an option available to
> show the versions of the packages that will be retrieved with apt-get,
> but I'm not sure if that's possible.  Another reason to use aptitude, I
> guess.

apt-get install -y --print-uris PACKAGE-NAME
will list URIS, full package name with version, size, and MD5 sum


Eric

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May  6 21:24:48 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CVS Reference?
In-Reply-To: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org>
References: <3EB7F8F7.80407@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <2534.192.1.1.15.1052274288.squirrel@dccmn.com>

I learned CVS from the Per Cederqvist manual.  Several of my office
siblings tried reading the various 5 pound manuals and had just about
given up.  They got much more out of Cederqvist.

Admin is not a big deal.  Just make sure you got good backups of it.

Erik Anderson said:
> I'm looking at having to take over management of our CVS server here at
> work.  I consider myself fairly competent doing just about anything on
> linux systems, but have never administered CVS trees.
>
> I've read the tldp CVS Howto as well as a few other tutorials, all have
> which shed some light on the ins and outs of CVS administration, but I
> still don't feel totally at peace with the whole deal.
>
> I'll probably end up buying a dead tree cvs book.  I'm looking at the
> O'Reilly "Essential CVS".  Has anyone had experience with this?  Any
> other CVS books I should check out?
>
> Thanks!
> -Erik
>
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From mpartyka at mn.rr.com  Tue May  6 22:17:35 2003
From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail access file ?'s
Message-ID: <000c01c31447$34fe7230$0300a8c0@homer>

Hello,

Is there anyone here who could answer a couple questions about using the access file in in Sendmail to slam spam? This is on an SCO Openserver 5.0.6 box. 

I am just having some problems setting exceptions for any accounts such as: AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail when the domains are set to REJECT later in the file. And secondly i am wondering if there is a way i can add subject line checks to the file and reject on keywords in the email subject line, ;ike in the Postfix regular expression header-checks?

TIA
Mikey
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From david at acz.org  Tue May  6 22:33:18 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01c31449$66fc3a40$0201a8c0@brinstar>

JamesMasters@attbi.com writes:
> I would like to register a few domain names, but I notice that almost
> all registrars require a credit card. Does anyone know of any that
> take paypal or mailed payment?

directNIC does.  They also offer a discount for mailed payments.  This
method can save my company several thousand dollars a year:

https://secure.directnic.com/myaccount/bulk/

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May  6 23:34:47 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail access file ?'s
In-Reply-To: <000c01c31447$34fe7230$0300a8c0@homer>; from mpartyka@mn.rr.com on Tue, May 06, 2003 at 10:17:35PM -0500
References: <000c01c31447$34fe7230$0300a8c0@homer>
Message-ID: <20030506233447.A31178@thinkunix.net>

I've read (somewhere, can't remember where) that using ERROR is better 
than REJECT in /etc/mail/access.  Use lines like this:  

# domains you don't ever want to get email from -- REJECTS ENTIRE DOMAIN
@21cn.com	ERROR:"550 Too much spam"

# reject specific email address
Financial_Freedom_Awaits11@yahoo.com    ERROR:"550 Too much spam"

sendmail has support for RBLs.  see cf/README in the sendmail source.

As far as rejecting on key words in headers, you're probably better off
implementing spamassassin or something similar.

Mike Partyka wrote:
> Is there anyone here who could answer a couple questions about using the access file in in Sendmail to slam spam? This is on an SCO Openserver 5.0.6 box. 
> I am just having some problems setting exceptions for any accounts such as: AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail when the domains are set to REJECT later in the file. And secondly i am wondering if there is a way i can add subject line checks to the file and reject on keywords in the email subject line, ;ike in the Postfix regular expression header-checks?

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From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com  Wed May  7 07:50:39 2003
From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection
Message-ID: <010B5B87.75C31F9C.09BD8409@aol.com>

I've been having the same problem with my cable modem. I would come home from work and notice I don't have internet service. I'd have to reset the cable modem to get it back up. It just started happening about 2 weeks ago. I also have the RCA modem. I'm glad to see someone else is having a problem... that means its most likely Comcast's fault... and they need to do something about it.

-Nick

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From hackel at walkingfish.com  Wed May  7 08:28:07 2003
From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <1052314086.8786.7.camel@hackel.hn.org>

On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 15:39, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Lastly, I thought I'd mention that you can "pin" specific packages to a
> particular version or branch of a distribution in the
> /etc/apt/preferences file.  I do this to keep my X server at the same
> version, since I'm dependent upon Matrox for supplying me with a few
> binaries when I want my dual-head display to work, and doing automatic
> updates can cause version conflicts.
> 
>   Package: xserver-xfree86
>   Pin: release v=4.2.1-3
>   Pin-Priority: 1001
> 
> You can look at the apt_preferences manual page for more information..

Is there any reason to do this instead of simply setting the package
status to "hold"?  Can it pin a specific version (4.2.1), but allow
release upgrades (-3, -4, etc.)?

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed May  7 09:02:58 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305070901020.19100-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

Has anyone here attempted to carry token ring over fiber?  I need to move
some token ring PCs over a distance of about 500 feet, and all I have is a
fiber pair.  Anyone know if they even make token ring fiber
modules?  Anyone here have a couple spares? :-)

-Brian



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From nixnugget at linuxmail.org  Wed May  7 09:15:25 2003
From: nixnugget at linuxmail.org (Nix Nugget)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <20030507141525.29401.qmail@linuxmail.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lansing, Dan" <Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:20:29 -0500
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server

> I don't think so I didn't set it up anyway....I'm not sure what I would have to do for that....could you point me to a nice how-to???
> Thanks in advance.....
> Dan
> 
 Beautiful.  Great (typical) open source documentation qualities.  Advertised as a replacement for exchange.  Many people can and do set up exchange, but apparently living up to Unix standards of quality, easy to find documentation, open exchange has shit documnetation.  "We are uber coderz, but documentation is beyond our great capabilities.

Get used to living in a Microsoft world folks.  You bring it on yourselves.
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May  7 09:18:08 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305070901020.19100-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305070917260.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Brian wrote:
> Has anyone here attempted to carry token ring over fiber?  I need to
> move some token ring PCs over a distance of about 500 feet, and all I
> have is a fiber pair.  Anyone know if they even make token ring fiber
> modules?  Anyone here have a couple spares? :-)

http://www.google.com/search?q=token+ring+fiber+transceiver

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Wed May  7 09:20:23 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

I don't think it is a support issue as I could call SuSE support but I would rather not do that if I don't need to...i would rather figure it out just by being pointed in the proper direction since I would learn more that way then having my hand held by some support monkey<no disrespect meant to them I am a monkey myself>

-----Original Message-----
From: Nix Nugget [mailto:nixnugget@linuxmail.org] 

> 
 Beautiful.  Great (typical) open source documentation qualities.  Advertised as a replacement for exchange.  Many people can and do set up exchange, but apparently living up to Unix standards of quality, easy to find documentation, open exchange has shit documnetation.  "We are uber coderz, but documentation is beyond our great capabilities.

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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed May  7 09:29:16 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title
In-Reply-To: <20030430110059.E29277@real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291637490.26002-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net> <20030430110059.E29277@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EB9183C.1070906@sodatrain.com>

>>I need some ideas for a short snazzy title.  Any ideas?

I've always enjoyed being a General Specialist.


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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Wed May  7 09:39:32 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

The favorite one ive had was application support specialist....everyone called me the resident a.s.s. i thought it was rather appropriate 

-----Original Message-----
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>>I need some ideas for a short snazzy title.  Any ideas?

I've always enjoyed being a General Specialist.


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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed May  7 09:36:13 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] monitoring software
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7C@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF7C@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <3EB919DD.5090802@sodatrain.com>

wow... i just called Fidelia[1] (the company for NetVigil)

I didnt see any pricing info on their website, so i called to ask.

they said they start at about 40-50K.

/me hangs up

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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed May  7 09:44:15 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <3EB91BBF.1070601@sodatrain.com>

/me votes for A.S.S


Lansing, Dan wrote:
> The favorite one ive had was application support specialist....everyone called me the resident a.s.s. i thought it was rather appropriate 
> 
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From amy at real-time.com  Wed May  7 09:53:13 2003
From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla addressbook ldap attribute mapping
Message-ID: <20030507145313.GF30008@real-time.com>

Has anyone found a reference for the mapping of ldap attributes in the
mozilla addressbook?

Specifically, I'm trying to find out what it uses for the following:

Contact->Screen Name
Contact->Prefers to receive messages formatted as
Contact->Nickname
Address->Home (all fields)
Address->Work->Address
Address->Work->Country

I've searched the openldap mailing list archives and their faq-o-matic.
All I could find was mappings for Outlook.

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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Wed May  7 10:10:31 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla addressbook ldap attribute mapping
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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Wed May  7 10:18:17 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title
In-Reply-To: <3EB91BBF.1070601@sodatrain.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3EB91BBF.1070601@sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <20030507151817.GA17772@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:44:15AM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote:
> /me votes for A.S.S
> 
> Lansing, Dan wrote:
> >The favorite one ive had was application support specialist....everyone 
> >called me the resident a.s.s. i thought it was rather appropriate 

++

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From thomas at stderr.net  Wed May  7 10:48:51 2003
From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c31449$66fc3a40$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com> <00ff01c31449$66fc3a40$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030507154851.GD15130@pasiphae.stderr.net>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 10:33:18PM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
> directNIC does.  They also offer a discount for mailed payments.  This
> method can save my company several thousand dollars a year:
> 
> https://secure.directnic.com/myaccount/bulk/

*checks pulse* are you okay?

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From david at acz.org  Wed May  7 10:39:41 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
References: <E19D777-0001yy-00@pirate.real-time.com> <00ff01c31449$66fc3a40$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030507154851.GD15130@pasiphae.stderr.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c314ae$e004ecb0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Thomas Eibner writes:
> *checks pulse* are you okay?

Huh?

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed May  7 10:47:35 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305070917260.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071044570.19468-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:

> http://www.google.com/search?q=token+ring+fiber+transceiver

Thanks for the confirmation Nate.  As I suspected, said units are quite
spendy and it's only needed for a short time.  If anyone has 2 of them I
can beg/borrow/steal, I owe you many, many beers.

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed May  7 10:58:07 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Domain Registars
In-Reply-To: <000c01c314ae$e004ecb0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305071055400.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, David Phillips wrote:
> Thomas Eibner writes:
> > *checks pulse* are you okay?
> 
> Huh?

 I suspect he was surprised that the URL you cited didn't start with 
http://cr.yp.to/ .

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May  7 11:05:07 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071044570.19468-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071059200.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Brian wrote:
> Thanks for the confirmation Nate.  As I suspected, said units are
> quite spendy and it's only needed for a short time.  If anyone has 2
> of them I can beg/borrow/steal, I owe you many, many beers.

Grab a pair of crappy Linux boxes, buy a pair of crappy fiber nics (or
ethernet cards plus 10mb transceivers, which I'm sure many people would be
happy to give you), and make your own routing transceivers?  :)

(From what I read, you may be able to bridge ethernet <-> tr with Linux,
but not real cleanly..)

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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Wed May  7 11:16:24 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071059200.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071044570.19468-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071059200.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030507161624.GA27485@botwerks.org>

when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, May 07, 2003), 
 Nate Carlson was madly tapping out:
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Brian wrote:
> > Thanks for the confirmation Nate.  As I suspected, said units are
> > quite spendy and it's only needed for a short time.  If anyone has
> > 2 of them I can beg/borrow/steal, I owe you many, many beers.
> 
> Grab a pair of crappy Linux boxes, buy a pair of crappy fiber nics
> (or ethernet cards plus 10mb transceivers, which I'm sure many
> people would be happy to give you), and make your own routing
> transceivers?  :)
> 
> (From what I read, you may be able to bridge ethernet <-> tr with
> Linux, but not real cleanly..)

if you're willing to go through that much work - i would highly
recommend routing the traffic over that connection.  bridging
token-ring and ethernet is a masochistic endeavor under the best of
circumstances with gear that does it intelligently.  last i saw a year
or 2 ago, the linux TR bridging code was not fully baked.   i'm making
the gross assumption that you're dealing with IP traffic. 


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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May  7 11:23:06 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <20030507161624.GA27485@botwerks.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071122410.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:
> i'm making the gross assumption that you're dealing with IP traffic.

Good point - if you still have TR, who knows what else is on the network..
:)

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May  7 11:57:48 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Some apt tricks and thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1052314086.8786.7.camel@hackel.hn.org>
References: <1052253594.1258.195.camel@3po.thodt.net> 
	<1052314086.8786.7.camel@hackel.hn.org>
Message-ID: <1052326669.1257.210.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 08:28, Ryan Hayle wrote:
> Is there any reason to do this instead of simply setting the package
> status to "hold"?  Can it pin a specific version (4.2.1), but allow
> release upgrades (-3, -4, etc.)?

I don't really know..  I guess I'd never really figured out how to hold
a package (despite the advice in my message, I've been using apt-get
forever).

You can pin to a version or subversion of some kind, I think you just do
  Pin: release v=4.2.1*

There are some interesting related articles here

http://www.google.com/search?q=apt+pinning

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed May  7 11:59:58 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <20030507161624.GA27485@botwerks.org>
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On Wed, 7 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:

> last i saw a year or 2 ago, the linux TR bridging code was not fully
> baked.

After googling around for linux bridges I found the same, the code isn't
mature enough to use for anything.  I saw some suggestions of building a
router, which may be a better option.

> i'm making the gross assumption that you're dealing with IP traffic. 

IPX.  Please don't hurt me. :-(

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May  7 12:30:17 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: 
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References: 
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Message-ID: <1052328617.1258.235.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:05, Nate Carlson wrote:
> (From what I read, you may be able to bridge ethernet <-> tr with Linux,
> but not real cleanly..)

Yeah, it's not really possible to fully bridge between ethernet and
token ring, unless you hide some information in other places.  Ethernet
and token ring packets have fairly similar structures, IIRC, but there
are some fields missing from one to the other.  Packets probably won't
look the same once they get to the other side..

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Wed May  7 12:41:22 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <1052328617.1258.235.camel@3po.thodt.net>
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On 07 May 2003 12:30:17 -0500
Mike Hicks <hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote:

> Yeah, it's not really possible to fully bridge between ethernet and
> token ring, unless you hide some information in other places. 
> Ethernet and token ring packets have fairly similar structures, IIRC,
> but there are some fields missing from one to the other.  Packets
> probably won't look the same once they get to the other side..
> 
  I'm not to up on various aspects of networking, but could he build a linux box with the connection he's looking for, as well as a token ring card and us it as router/gateway between networks?
  


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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Wed May  7 13:04:13 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
In-Reply-To: <20030507141525.29401.qmail@linuxmail.org>
References: <20030507141525.29401.qmail@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <20030507180413.GZ7762@autonomous.tv>

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 10:15:25PM +0800, Nix Nugget wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lansing, Dan" <Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com>
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:20:29 -0500
>To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
>Subject: RE: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
>
>> I don't think so I didn't set it up anyway....I'm not sure what I would have to do for that....could you point me to a nice how-to???
>> Thanks in advance.....
>> Dan
>> 
> Beautiful.  Great (typical) open source documentation qualities.  Advertised as a replacement for exchange.  Many people can and do set up exchange, but apparently living up to Unix standards of quality, easy to find documentation, open exchange has shit documnetation.  "We are uber coderz, but documentation is beyond our great capabilities.

You're not bitter or anything are you?  
Dob't let poor documentation of some penSource programs spoil the whole
bunch.  I can think of many OpenSource apps with incredible
documentation, mplayer comes to mind, as does everyones favorite (hi
Matt) qmail.

This is what OpenSource is all about, team work.  If you think the docs
are poor or the app sux, fix it, or write your own, or contribute to the
project.  Just whining and moaning about it will not change anything,
and will just make m$ all the better off.



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From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com  Wed May  7 01:27:37 2003
From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Playing DVDs / Encryption / Licensing
Message-ID: <33297.192.168.2.241.1052288857.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>

Hello LUG'ers

A friend of mine was asking me about playing DVDs with xine.  Since I've
never owned a DVD drive, I wasn't much help.  I plan on purchasing a DVD
drive some time in the future, so I thought this was a good place to discuss
some issues.

My friend says that there are licensing issues with some encrypted DVDs and
the de-cryptor has is a proprietary software.

Has anyone ever had a problem playing a DVD due to a lack of an encryption
algorithm?

Are all the necessary parts built into xine?
If not, what else is needed?


Thanks for your input.


Mark Courtney
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May  7 14:16:03 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <20030507124122.5739d47e.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071059200.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
	<1052328617.1258.235.camel@3po.thodt.net> 
	<20030507124122.5739d47e.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <1052334964.28541.44.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:41, Shawn wrote:
> On 07 May 2003 12:30:17 -0500
> Mike Hicks <hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, it's not really possible to fully bridge between ethernet and
> > token ring, unless you hide some information in other places. 
> > Ethernet and token ring packets have fairly similar structures, IIRC,
> > but there are some fields missing from one to the other.  Packets
> > probably won't look the same once they get to the other side..
> > 
>   I'm not to up on various aspects of networking, but could he build a
> linux box with the connection he's looking for, as well as a token
> ring card and us it as router/gateway between networks?

Well, I think the problem Brian is trying to solve is getting data from
his network across a fiber line without jumping for fiber token ring
transceivers.  It might just be that new copper has to be pulled, which
would suck, but it might be possible to just plug it into the token ring
network and have things work.

If that doesn't work because the length is too long or something, a
token<->token bridge of some sort could be used.  I'm not able to find
any reference to anyone doing that with Linux, since most people are
just trying to get on an Ethernet ;-)  It's theoretically possible, but
I don't know if anyone's done it.

I came across a FAQ that said source route bridging was more common with
token ring than transparent bridging (what we're accustomed to in the
Ethernet world).  I suspect that would require going and reconfiguring
all of the relevant client machines though, which is less than
desirable.

Also, they seem to really recommend token ring switches, and I imagine
it would be possible to get switch with a fiber port, but that's
probably even more expensive than the transceiver idea..

http://www.networkuptime.com/faqs/token-ring/

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May  7 14:18:34 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071158030.19659-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.n
	et>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071158030.19659-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.n
	et>
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On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:59, Brian wrote:
> > i'm making the gross assumption that you're dealing with IP traffic. 
> 
> IPX.  Please don't hurt me. :-(

Heh.  Linux should be able to route IPX traffic when the right daemons
are installed, though I've never done it.  Also, I imagine there's no
telling what the computers you're dealing with will expect.

IPX was always a magic black box to me, so maybe it'll work, maybe it
won't.

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Wed May  7 14:55:06 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Playing DVDs / Encryption / Licensing
In-Reply-To: <33297.192.168.2.241.1052288857.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>; from MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com on Wed, May 07, 2003 at 12:27:37PM +0600
References: <33297.192.168.2.241.1052288857.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>
Message-ID: <20030507145506.A18172@thinkunix.net>

xine doesn't support encrypted dvd's.  install libdvdcss and you're all set.
worked for me under Slackware 8.1 with the following installed:

xine-ui
xine-lib
libdvdcss

Mark Courtney wrote:
> A friend of mine was asking me about playing DVDs with xine.  Since I've
> never owned a DVD drive, I wasn't much help.  I plan on purchasing a DVD
> drive some time in the future, so I thought this was a good place to discuss
> some issues.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May  7 15:00:07 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Playing DVDs / Encryption / Licensing
In-Reply-To: 
	<33297.192.168.2.241.1052288857.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>
References: 
	<33297.192.168.2.241.1052288857.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>
Message-ID: <1052337608.28277.91.camel@3po.thodt.net>

I don't think it's too difficult to play DVDs on Linux, but you do need
to have programs that can decode the CSS encryption.  On my Debian box,
a dialog popped up when I installed the ogle movie player mentioning how
to obtain a decoding library.  I think the vlc player worked pretty much
out-of-the-box, but I needed to use some obscure utility to set the
region on my drive.

The Debian version of xine I have doesn't know how to play DVDs, but
that shouldn't be a problem if you compile from source, and there are
probably some libraries that you could download to remedy the situation.

I generally play movies and videos with a version of mplayer I compiled
from source.  The bonus with mplayer is that when you get all of the
Win32 libraries from it's website, you can play almost any file out
there, even streaming Windows Media, Quicktime, and Real video.  Some
packaged versions of mplayer are available through
http://marillat.free.fr/

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Wed May  7 15:06:25 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFA5@mail.temgweb.com>

Just do ethernet over it and run DLSW.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
> 
> 
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Brian wrote:
> > Has anyone here attempted to carry token ring over fiber?  I need to
> > move some token ring PCs over a distance of about 500 feet, 
> and all I
> > have is a fiber pair.  Anyone know if they even make token 
> ring fiber
> > modules?  Anyone here have a couple spares? :-)
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=token+ring+fiber+transceiver
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed May  7 15:22:54 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <1052334964.28541.44.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305071514450.20196-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On 7 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:

> Well, I think the problem Brian is trying to solve is getting data from
> his network across a fiber line without jumping for fiber token ring
> transceivers.

Yup.  I realized that I actually need 4 transceivers, because with token
ring I need a ring in and out on each side.  Even from a cheap house,
that's $2,000, quite a bit of cash for a few months of use.

> It might just be that new copper has to be pulled

500 ft distance, which would require repeaters, for a temporary setup.  If
it would work with one solid copper pull, I'd do it.  Factoring in
repeaters, it again gets costly for temporary use

> It's theoretically possible, but I don't know if anyone's done it.

It sounds like it's very possible, but I haven't seen any procedures/code
for setting this up.

> I suspect that would require going and reconfiguring all of the relevant
> client machines though, which is less than desirable.

Reconfiguring the client machines is probably going to be needed no matter
what I do, if I manage to get a router/bridge configuration working.

> Also, they seem to really recommend token ring switches, and I imagine
> it would be possible to get switch with a fiber port, but that's
> probably even more expensive than the transceiver idea..

Of course it is :-).  Another idea I had was setting up a pair of bridges
so I could convert TR to ethernet, run over fiber, then convert back.  Is
there any way to do this with a set of routers?  I have a /24 block of IPs
and an IPX network number on my side.  I want to set up a bridge to
convert it to ethernet, cary it over fiber as ethernet, then convert it
back.  Machines that plug into the remote bridge will then use IPs from
that /24 block and the same IPX number.  Is this even possible?  if not, I
have to reconfigure all the clients anyway, somewhat negating the need for
this.

-Brian



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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Wed May  7 15:37:44 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFA7@mail.temgweb.com>

> Of course it is :-).  Another idea I had was setting up a 
> pair of bridges
> so I could convert TR to ethernet, run over fiber, then 
> convert back.  Is
> there any way to do this with a set of routers?  I have a /24 

I mentioned this a second ago.  Not exactly what you are talking about, but
it's similar.  If you have Cisco routers on each side, you can run DLSW+.
It bridges each router together using a TCP connection, and it was designed
for connecting token ring networks across a WAN.  It's quite easy to set up,
it should take only a couple of minutes.  We use it for connecting some
token ring networks together over 56k frame links, works flawlessly.

Jay 

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From jimstreit at northlans.com  Wed May  7 15:43:32 2003
From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Rentals
Message-ID: <2045.65.116.187.194.1052340212.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>

I know that this isn't Linux related and I hope I don't offend anyone.

I need to rent 4 laptops for a few days in a couple of weeks for a web
based training session on a new application.

Has anyone had to rent equipment before? Any recommendations on who I
could call?  They don't need to be new laptops or even high end, 600+
will work fine.

Thanks
Jim Streit

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May  7 15:48:41 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Rentals
In-Reply-To: <2045.65.116.187.194.1052340212.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071548030.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jim Streit wrote:
> I know that this isn't Linux related and I hope I don't offend anyone.
>
> I need to rent 4 laptops for a few days in a couple of weeks for a web
> based training session on a new application.
>
> Has anyone had to rent equipment before? Any recommendations on who I
> could call?  They don't need to be new laptops or even high end, 600+
> will work fine.

You can always buy a few and return them, just get nicked the restocking
fee..  (may or may not be less than a rental fee.)  Don't want to go this
route if there's a chance of someone beating up on it, of course.. :)

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From chad at bitstream.net  Wed May  7 15:58:43 2003
From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Rentals
In-Reply-To: <2045.65.116.187.194.1052340212.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>
References: <2045.65.116.187.194.1052340212.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>
Message-ID: <3EB97383.3040405@bitstream.net>

Jim Streit wrote:

>Has anyone had to rent equipment before? Any recommendations on who I
>could call?  They don't need to be new laptops or even high end, 600+
>will work fine.
>
Total Technology Rental - I've used them one more than one occasion for 
the same thing and they've been awesome.

http://www.ttrmn.com - 952.945.0900


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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Wed May  7 16:12:22 2003
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Rentals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071548030.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071548030.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200305071612.22678.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

On Wednesday 07 May 2003 3:48 pm, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jim Streit wrote:
> > I know that this isn't Linux related and I hope I don't offend anyone.
> >
> > I need to rent 4 laptops for a few days in a couple of weeks for a web
> > based training session on a new application.
> >
> > Has anyone had to rent equipment before? Any recommendations on who I
> > could call?  They don't need to be new laptops or even high end, 600+
> > will work fine.
>
> You can always buy a few and return them, just get nicked the restocking
> fee..  (may or may not be less than a rental fee.)  Don't want to go this
> route if there's a chance of someone beating up on it, of course.. :)

This is the reason we *have* restocking fees.

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From jack at jacku.com  Wed May  7 16:25:51 2003
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D350E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <200305071625.51323.jack@jacku.com>

On Wednesday 07 May 2003 9:20 am, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> I don't think it is a support issue as I could call SuSE support but I
> would rather not do that if I don't need to...i would rather figure it out
> just by being pointed in the proper direction since I would learn more that
> way then having my hand held by some support monkey<no disrespect meant to
> them I am a monkey myself>

I've never installed one of SuSE's "Enterprise" products but I've installed 
enough copies of SuSE Professional to be way to familiar with YaST2 and its 
operations. Reply off list to let me know how far you've gotten and I'll see 
if I can push you the rest of the way. 8^)

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May  7 16:32:08 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Rentals
In-Reply-To: <200305071612.22678.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305071630520.13806-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Bret Baptist wrote:
> This is the reason we *have* restocking fees.

I've never actually had anyone enforce a restocking fee on me.. then
again, only thing I've ever returned has been a few cards to CompUSA that
didn't work properly.

But, yeah, it's the general reason.. :)

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From rkdata at qwest.net  Wed May  7 16:51:30 2003
From: rkdata at qwest.net (Kurt)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
Message-ID: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck>

I've been asked to host a couple web pages on my server.

It seems that Qwest won't let me add their web addresses to their names server to forward to my box.

I'm assuming I need to set up my own DNS.  Just not sure how.  I've read so many docs, but I think I'm more confused than when I started.

Here's my setup:

Qwest is hosting the name server for me (no comments).
I am running my own web server under my own domain name.  They want me to host their own domain name.

I am running RedHat 8.  Apache server, and have just loaded bind 9.2.1-9

I'm prepared to go to Reverse records to qwest once I get this all figured out.

Any help is apprecitated.

            -=Kurt=-
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From charon at netzero.net  Wed May  7 20:50:56 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tty1 hung
In-Reply-To: <20030430184426.M17733@luser.us>
References: <200304301137.h3UBb3kP012026@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> <20030430165333.M38163@luser.us> <20030430184426.M17733@luser.us>
Message-ID: <3EB9B800.802@netzero.net>

sometimes terminals get messed up.
do 'reset' in the broken terminal and it should be all good'n'jolly again

peter wrote:
> 
> weird! on tty1 and tty2 [gentoo on a new box], man pages suddenly
> started showing up so far below the last screen, that all i got was a
> blank "page"; 
> 
> hodgson@gent hodgson $ man ps
> [full blank screen]
> :
> 
> once i thought of it, typing 'b' got me up to the text; and man pages
> showed up fine on tty3 - tty5;
> 
> i have been recently, and often, ssh'ing into a remote linux box in
> california from tty1 and 2, but that shouldn't have anything to do
> with the problem, should it?
> 
> also, i use screen on tty1, but there were no screen sessions alive at
> the time of my tty troubles;
> 
> anyway, soon, on tty1, this happened:
> 
> hodgson@gent hodgson $ less /usr/include//fstab.h
> 
> hodgson@gent hodgson $ ar/mail/hodgson
> 
> and tty1 froze solid
> 
> so, on tty4 i did this:
> 
> hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1
>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
> 29568 vc/1     00:00:00 bash
> hodgson@gent etc $ kill 29568
> hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1
>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
> 29568 vc/1     00:00:00 bash
> hodgson@gent etc $ kill -9 29568
> hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1
>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
>  5835 tty1     00:00:00 agetty
> 
> but tty1 was still frozen;
> 
> then i pressed ScrollLock and suddenly tty1 was not frozen, but it sits
> resolutely on the bottom of the screen and overwrites itself with each
> successful line of input; for example i logged out, back in, and typed 'man
> ps' which yielded a ':' and nothing else, all on the bottom line;
> 
> is this because i killed the shell? 
> 
> but then who's giving me the prompt?
> 
> i guess i'll reboot and everything will be fine, but i'm a sophomore
> newbie and would like to know what's going on;


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From charon at netzero.net  Wed May  7 21:22:38 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net>

> emacs: Cannot connect to X server :0.
> Check the DISPLAY environment variable or use `-d'.
> Also use the `xhost' program to verify that it is set to permit
> connections from your machine.
try xhost +localhost










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From erik at andersonfam.org  Wed May  7 21:21:21 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] winbind experience?
Message-ID: <3EB9BF21.9010609@andersonfam.org>

I've been banging my head against the wall today trying to get winbind 
working correctly.  I have used smbpasswd to successfully join our NT 
domain, and I've pointed winbind to the correct server to get the 
directory info from.

When I do a `getent passwd` or `getent group`, it displays all of the 
logins/groups from our domain correctly.  For instance:

	DOMAIN+user1
	DOMAIN+user2
	
	DOMAIN+group1
	DOMAIN+group2
	etc...

I have added the correct pam mods to /etc/pam.d/system-auth as well as 
adding the winbind service to /etc/nsswitch.conf.

When I try and ssh in with one of the domain username/passwords, syslog 
says that it authenticates correctly, but I immeadiately get 
disconnected.  I suspect that it's something with the user's home 
directory not being created successfully, but I haven't been able to 
track it down.

FWIW, this is a Redhat 8.0 box...

Any brilliant insights?

Thanks!
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From david at acz.org  Wed May  7 21:51:53 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck>
Message-ID: <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Kurt writes:
> I'm assuming I need to set up my own DNS.  Just not sure how.  I've
> read so many docs, but I think I'm more confused than when I started.

You gave conflicting information.  I'm assuming that you want to host both
the DNS and HTTP service for your own domain name on your own server.

First need to delegate the domain name to your server.  You must do this
through your domain name registrar.  They should have an easy web based
interface for you to use.  Create two name servers for it, such as
a.ns.example.com and b.ns.example.com.  Set the IP addresses for those as
the IP addresses of your server.  If you only have one IP address, you only
need to create one name server.

Next, you need an authoritative DNS server for your machine.  You mentioned
you installed BIND.  I strongly recommend you uninstall that immediately.
BIND is buggy, bloated, difficult to administer and has been historically
insecure.  There are better alternatives.

tinydns is a good choice for many users.  It is small, fast, secure and easy
to use.  This page explains how to set it up:

http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html

Another good choice is MyDNS.  MyDNS serves data directly from a MySQL or
PostgrSQL database.  It is easy to setup and comes with a complete web
interface:

http://mydns.bboy.net/

You might also consider paying someone else to host DNS for you.  For
example, directNIC.com offers DNS for only $5 per year.

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From rkdata at qwest.net  Wed May  7 22:08:06 2003
From: rkdata at qwest.net (Kurt)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck>
	 <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <1052363285.2200.0.camel@kschwarz.amoserve.net>

Thanks.  I'll look into both suggestions.



On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 21:51, David Phillips wrote:
> Kurt writes:
> > I'm assuming I need to set up my own DNS.  Just not sure how.  I've
> > read so many docs, but I think I'm more confused than when I started.
> 
> You gave conflicting information.  I'm assuming that you want to host both
> the DNS and HTTP service for your own domain name on your own server.
> 
> First need to delegate the domain name to your server.  You must do this
> through your domain name registrar.  They should have an easy web based
> interface for you to use.  Create two name servers for it, such as
> a.ns.example.com and b.ns.example.com.  Set the IP addresses for those as
> the IP addresses of your server.  If you only have one IP address, you only
> need to create one name server.
> 
> Next, you need an authoritative DNS server for your machine.  You mentioned
> you installed BIND.  I strongly recommend you uninstall that immediately.
> BIND is buggy, bloated, difficult to administer and has been historically
> insecure.  There are better alternatives.
> 
> tinydns is a good choice for many users.  It is small, fast, secure and easy
> to use.  This page explains how to set it up:
> 
> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html
> 
> Another good choice is MyDNS.  MyDNS serves data directly from a MySQL or
> PostgrSQL database.  It is easy to setup and comes with a complete web
> interface:
> 
> http://mydns.bboy.net/
> 
> You might also consider paying someone else to host DNS for you.  For
> example, directNIC.com offers DNS for only $5 per year.
> 
> --
> David Phillips <david@acz.org>
> http://david.acz.org/
> 
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From mike at getbent.net  Thu May  8 08:37:12 2003
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Multiple Public IP Broadband Router
In-Reply-To: <44726.192.168.0.3.1052269217.squirrel@192.168.0.3>
References: <44726.192.168.0.3.1052269217.squirrel@192.168.0.3>
Message-ID: <03050808371200.25938@Dingo>

Do you mean a router that supports multiple broadband connections?  or 
something that can happilly route a /29 subnet?

Personally I use an IPtables/IPROUTE2 script to handle multiple boradband
connections, have a few boxes load balancing and fail over routing t1's cable 
modems, dsls, and a combination there of.

If you want something a little more mainstream  the Symantec 200R Firewall 
does the same if you don't want to learn how to work with IPtables,   


On Tuesday 06 May 2003 20:00, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone have any experience with a broadband router (preferably wireless,
> but wouldn't have to be) that supports multiple public IP's?  I was
> looking at the MultiTech RF500S, but some reviews say it supports multiple
> public IPs, some say it only supports one, some say it does after a
> firmware upgrade.
>
> After googling for an hour I am not seeing many inexpensive alternatives
> so I figured I'd ping the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Trutwin
> http://trutwins.homeip.net
>
>
>
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Thu May  8 10:00:45 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFA5@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305081000200.22510-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Just do ethernet over it and run DLSW.  

Due to my lack of Cisco gear, is there a linux equivalent here?  Perhaps
Zebra?

-Brian



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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Thu May  8 10:18:15 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305081000200.22510-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFA5@mail.temgweb.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305081000200.22510-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <20030508151815.GA41533@botwerks.org>

when last we saw our hero (Thursday, May 08, 2003), 
 Brian was madly tapping out:
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Just do ethernet over it and run DLSW.  
> 
> Due to my lack of Cisco gear, is there a linux equivalent here?
> Perhaps Zebra?


you might consider using IPX in an IP tunnel to address your short
term hack needs here.  zebra provides routing protocols, it doesn't
provide encapsulation mechanisms.  

i forgot about IPXoIP as an option for you here.  this was in the
IPX-HOWTO iirc. 





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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Thu May  8 11:11:54 2003
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Multiple Public IP Broadband Router
In-Reply-To: <03050808371200.25938@Dingo>
References: <44726.192.168.0.3.1052269217.squirrel@192.168.0.3>
        <03050808371200.25938@Dingo>
Message-ID: <1146.207.67.6.29.1052410314.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net>

> Do you mean a router that supports multiple broadband connections?  or
> something that can happilly route a /29 subnet?

Yes, (/29) I think I found my router too, only $100, should arrive
tomorrow...  It's not wireless, but I can use my existing one for that.

> Personally I use an IPtables/IPROUTE2 script to handle multiple
> boradband connections, have a few boxes load balancing and fail over
> routing t1's cable  modems, dsls, and a combination there of.
>
> If you want something a little more mainstream  the Symantec 200R
> Firewall  does the same if you don't want to learn how to work with
> IPtables,

iptables rulz.  Even with a HW firewall, iptables comes in handy.

Thanks,

Josh

>
> On Tuesday 06 May 2003 20:00, you wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with a broadband router (preferably
>> wireless, but wouldn't have to be) that supports multiple public IP's?
>>  I was looking at the MultiTech RF500S, but some reviews say it
>> supports multiple public IPs, some say it only supports one, some say
>> it does after a firmware upgrade.
>>
>> After googling for an hour I am not seeing many inexpensive
>> alternatives so I figured I'd ping the list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Trutwin
>> http://trutwins.homeip.net



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From bruce.broecker at toro.com  Thu May  8 11:17:42 2003
From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
Message-ID: <seba3ce1.027@lynnw663.toro.com>

Sorry, I just started paying attention to this thread.

I thought I had a spare Cisco 2513 (ethernet and token ring) router,
but I can't find it right now. I did find an old Lattisnet chassis with
three UTP token ring blades, and 1 fiber token ring blade. That would
handle one end of the connection. Since I have one, it implies that I
have two, but I can't find it.

Contact me direct if your interested. Maybe others on the list have
some forgotten token ring gear as well.

Bruce

Bruce Broecker
Network Comm Supervisor
The Toro Company


>>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 05/07/03 04:24PM >>>

Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:22:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian <lxy@cloudnet.com>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org 
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Broken ring over fiber
Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org 

On 7 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:

> Well, I think the problem Brian is trying to solve is getting data
from
> his network across a fiber line without jumping for fiber token ring
> transceivers.

Yup.  I realized that I actually need 4 transceivers, because with
token
ring I need a ring in and out on each side.  Even from a cheap house,
that's $2,000, quite a bit of cash for a few months of use.

> It might just be that new copper has to be pulled

500 ft distance, which would require repeaters, for a temporary setup. 
If
it would work with one solid copper pull, I'd do it.  Factoring in
repeaters, it again gets costly for temporary use

> It's theoretically possible, but I don't know if anyone's done it.

It sounds like it's very possible, but I haven't seen any
procedures/code
for setting this up.

> I suspect that would require going and reconfiguring all of the
relevant
> client machines though, which is less than desirable.

Reconfiguring the client machines is probably going to be needed no
matter
what I do, if I manage to get a router/bridge configuration working.

> Also, they seem to really recommend token ring switches, and I
imagine
> it would be possible to get switch with a fiber port, but that's
> probably even more expensive than the transceiver idea..

Of course it is :-).  Another idea I had was setting up a pair of
bridges
so I could convert TR to ethernet, run over fiber, then convert back. 
Is
there any way to do this with a set of routers?  I have a /24 block of
IPs
and an IPX network number on my side.  I want to set up a bridge to
convert it to ethernet, cary it over fiber as ethernet, then convert
it
back.  Machines that plug into the remote bridge will then use IPs
from
that /24 block and the same IPX number.  Is this even possible?  if
not, I
have to reconfigure all the clients anyway, somewhat negating the need
for
this.

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu May  8 12:32:38 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:51:53PM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
[snip]
> Next, you need an authoritative DNS server for your machine.  You mentioned
> you installed BIND.  I strongly recommend you uninstall that immediately.
> BIND is buggy, bloated, difficult to administer and has been historically
> insecure.  There are better alternatives.

I think David might be drawing a less-than-clear line between his
facts and opinions here, so I'll try to clarify:

BIND is buggy: I'm a member of the "all software sucks" camp, so this
would have to be backed up with numbers for me to find it particularly
damning.  When I look at the ISC BIND page, I see it's been about 6
months since the last CERT advisory, and that was for BIND8.  But (as
has been said before) there have also been bugtraq entries for Apache,
SSH, and the Linux kernel.  There must be *some* reason people continue
to use them.  :-)

BIND is bloated: I have no problem running BIND on a 486SX with 32MB
RAM.  Bloated compared to other DNS systems?  Perhaps.  Does this cause
problems on modern systems?  No.

BIND is difficult to administer: This is an opinion, one with which I
would disagree.  Are other DNS systems easier to administer?  Perhaps,
but that's another discussion.

BIND has been historically insecure: true.

On the positive side, one very good thing BIND has is a large and
helpful user and documentation base.

As an aside, David, I appreciate the zeal with which you share your
knowledge and opinions.  You might want to check out the Linux Advocacy
mini-HOWTO for ideas on other ways to go about it:

  http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+advocacy+howto

Regards,
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From rpgoldman at real-time.com  Thu May  8 12:55:10 2003
From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla synchronization
Message-ID: <16058.39422.229751.833116@tsathoggua.mydomain>

Occasionally I go on a trip.  I take a laptop.  What I'd like to do is
somehow synchronize my Mozilla profile on the laptop with the one on
the desktop, so that I have all my emails, accounts, etc.  Does anyone
know how to this?  The profile manager is able to create or delete
profiles, but not copy them (as far as I can tell).

Thanks,

R

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From dsherman at real-time.com  Thu May  8 13:15:48 2003
From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla synchronization
In-Reply-To: <16058.39422.229751.833116@tsathoggua.mydomain>
References: <16058.39422.229751.833116@tsathoggua.mydomain>
Message-ID: <3EBA9ED4.1030405@real-time.com>

rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote:
> Occasionally I go on a trip.  I take a laptop.  What I'd like to do is
> somehow synchronize my Mozilla profile on the laptop with the one on
> the desktop, so that I have all my emails, accounts, etc.  Does anyone
> know how to this?  The profile manager is able to create or delete
> profiles, but not copy them (as far as I can tell).

Your profile is stored in ~/.mozilla/default/<random>.slt/
Just copy all files in that random-named directory into the equivalent 
randomly-named directory on the other machine, and you will be good to go.

-- 
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MCSE, MCSA, CCNA
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windshield)...."
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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu May  8 13:19:35 2003
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <20030508181935.GC5859@sherohman.org>

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:22:38PM -0500, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> >emacs: Cannot connect to X server :0.
> >Check the DISPLAY environment variable or use `-d'.
> >Also use the `xhost' program to verify that it is set to permit
> >connections from your machine.
> try xhost +localhost

...but only if you want anyone on any machine which can contact yours
over the network to have access to your display.

If you _must_ use xhost, it's just `xhost localhost`.  No +.

But it's generally preferable to use ssh -X or XAUTHORITY if at all
possible.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May  8 13:24:06 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
Message-ID: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com>

  I need to set up Samba so that anyone on the internal network can connect to a server with read only permissions.  Typically, I've only set up Samba on a per user basis by adding them to the user.map file.
  I'm not sure how to set up the smb.conf file to allow anyone to connect via samba.  The system is not connected to a domain, as multiple domains will be connecting to it.  Do I add the line to the general settings, or to the filesystem which I need to share out?
  Yes, I do realize the security implications of this.


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From erik at andersonfam.org  Thu May  8 13:28:50 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
In-Reply-To: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org>

You should be able to do something like this in your smb.conf...

[global]
         smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd
         dns proxy = no
         encrypt passwords = yes
         socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
         security = share
         unix password sync = Yes
         server string = Server1
         workgroup = WORKGROUP
         log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
         netbios name = server1

[share1]
         comment = Share1
         path = /pub/share1
         read only = yes
         public = yes
         guest ok = yes


That's what I'm doing and it works great.
-Erik

Shawn wrote:
>   I need to set up Samba so that anyone on the internal network can connect to a server with read only permissions.  Typically, I've only set up Samba on a per user basis by adding them to the user.map file.
>   I'm not sure how to set up the smb.conf file to allow anyone to connect via samba.  The system is not connected to a domain, as multiple domains will be connecting to it.  Do I add the line to the general settings, or to the filesystem which I need to share out?
>   Yes, I do realize the security implications of this.
> 
> 


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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu May  8 13:29:03 2003
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <20030508181935.GC5859@sherohman.org>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net> <20030508181935.GC5859@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20030508132903.A23669@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 01:19:35PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:22:38PM -0500, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> > try xhost +localhost
> 
> ...but only if you want anyone on any machine which can contact yours
> over the network to have access to your display.
> 
> If you _must_ use xhost, it's just `xhost localhost`.  No +.

Not quite.

"xhost +localhost" is a synonym for "xhost localhost" and it is
relatively benign.  Its "xhost +" that is bloody dangerous.  See
"man xhost" for details. 

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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu May  8 13:36:39 2003
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <20030508132903.A23669@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net> <20030508181935.GC5859@sherohman.org> <20030508132903.A23669@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20030508183639.GE5859@sherohman.org>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 01:29:03PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote:
> On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 01:19:35PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:22:38PM -0500, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> > > try xhost +localhost
> > 
> > ...but only if you want anyone on any machine which can contact yours
> > over the network to have access to your display.
> > 
> > If you _must_ use xhost, it's just `xhost localhost`.  No +.
> 
> Not quite.
> 
> "xhost +localhost" is a synonym for "xhost localhost" and it is
> relatively benign.  Its "xhost +" that is bloody dangerous.  See
> "man xhost" for details. 

Never use it myself, but I've been told that `xhost +name` is
equivalent to `xhost + name`, granting universal access.  Even if
that's not correct, it makes sense to leave out the +, since that
makes for less typing and less concern over typos (wouldn't want to
get an unintentional space after the +...).

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May  8 13:45:40 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
In-Reply-To: <3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org>
References: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <20030508134540.3bf7562b.sfertch@real-time.com>

Thanks, Erik.  Worked great.


On Thu, 08 May 2003 13:28:50 -0500
Erik Anderson <erik@andersonfam.org> wrote:

> You should be able to do something like this in your smb.conf...
> 
> [global]
>          smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd
>          dns proxy = no
>          encrypt passwords = yes
>          socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>          security = share
>          unix password sync = Yes
>          server string = Server1
>          workgroup = WORKGROUP
>          log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>          netbios name = server1
> 
> [share1]
>          comment = Share1
>          path = /pub/share1
>          read only = yes
>          public = yes
>          guest ok = yes
> 
> 
> That's what I'm doing and it works great.
> -Erik

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From erik at andersonfam.org  Thu May  8 13:48:16 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
In-Reply-To: <20030508134540.3bf7562b.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com>	<3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org> <20030508134540.3bf7562b.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EBAA670.50102@andersonfam.org>

Shawn wrote:
> Thanks, Erik.  Worked great.

No prob.


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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Thu May  8 14:01:47 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
Message-ID: <seba6369.059@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

Just picking nits here, but these:

   public = yes
   guest ok = yes

are equivalent. You may wish to 
use these share level options:

   guest only = yes
   guest account = nobody

too, but look them up ('man 
smb.conf') and see if they suit you 
first.

Good luck,

Troy

>>> sfertch@real-time.com 05/08/03 01:45PM >>>
Thanks, Erik.  Worked great.

On Thu, 08 May 2003 13:28:50 -0500
Erik Anderson <erik@andersonfam.org> wrote:
> [share1]
>          comment = Share1
>          path = /pub/share1
>          read only = yes
>          public = yes
>          guest ok = yes


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From erik at andersonfam.org  Thu May  8 14:03:58 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
In-Reply-To: <seba6369.059@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
References: <seba6369.059@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <3EBAAA1E.8060304@andersonfam.org>

Good point - I should have picked up on that...


Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> Just picking nits here, but these:
> 
>    public = yes
>    guest ok = yes
> 
> are equivalent. You may wish to 
> use these share level options:
> 
>    guest only = yes
>    guest account = nobody
> 
> too, but look them up ('man 
> smb.conf') and see if they suit you 
> first.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Troy
> 
> 
>>>>sfertch@real-time.com 05/08/03 01:45PM >>>
> 
> Thanks, Erik.  Worked great.
> 
> On Thu, 08 May 2003 13:28:50 -0500
> Erik Anderson <erik@andersonfam.org> wrote:
> 
>>[share1]
>>         comment = Share1
>>         path = /pub/share1
>>         read only = yes
>>         public = yes
>>         guest ok = yes
> 
> 
> 
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From adnan at intradyn.com  Thu May  8 14:08:50 2003
From: adnan at intradyn.com (Adnan Olia)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problem booting without attached PS/2 mouse
Message-ID: <005101c31595$45e93e50$c601a8c0@AOLIA>

Hello all


My Problem: Linux (various kernels, distributions) seems to freeze while 
booting on my hardware after displaying "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting 
the kernel" iff I do not have a PS/2 mouse plugged in. Plug the PS/2 mouse 
in, and booting is no problem. Unplug the PS/2 mouse just as the bulk of 
kernel boot messages display, no problem. But reboot without a PS/2 mouse, 
and the system simply freezes after the above text message. 


I am currently running a stock Mandrake Linux 9.0 release on a Shuttle XPC SK41G. The 
CPU is an AMD Athlon XP 2400. Motherboard has a VIA KM266 chipset. I 
discovered some mention of the same boot freezing problem while searching for 
Shuttle XPC specific postings. I discovered recently that a co-worker 
experiences the same problems with a stock RedHat 7.3 installation on his 
Dual Xeon 2.5GHz box with a SuperMicron P4DC motherboard - boot freezes if 
there is no PS/2 mouse. 
Given the different hardward configurations, different distributions, and 
different kernels attempted -- all susceptible to this freezing problem led 
me to believe that this might be a kernel problem. 


Any useful suggestions would be much appreciated. 


Regards 
Adnan Olia
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From charon at netzero.net  Thu May  8 14:08:23 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba question
In-Reply-To: <3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org>
References: <20030508132406.7e58f601.sfertch@real-time.com> <3EBAA1E2.1080106@andersonfam.org>
Message-ID: <3EBAAB27.9010602@netzero.net>

If it's only internal interface you want to serve to, do use INTERFACES in the GLOBAL section:

	interfaces = [interface ip/mask] ex: 192.168.0.1/24


Erik Anderson wrote:
> You should be able to do something like this in your smb.conf...
> 
> [global]
>         smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd
>         dns proxy = no
>         encrypt passwords = yes
>         socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>         security = share
>         unix password sync = Yes
>         server string = Server1
>         workgroup = WORKGROUP
>         log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>         netbios name = server1
> 
> [share1]
>         comment = Share1
>         path = /pub/share1
>         read only = yes
>         public = yes
>         guest ok = yes
> 
> 
> That's what I'm doing and it works great.
> -Erik


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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu May  8 15:09:23 2003
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root
In-Reply-To: <20030508183639.GE5859@sherohman.org>
References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> <3EB9BF6E.1060401@netzero.net> <20030508181935.GC5859@sherohman.org> <20030508132903.A23669@baker.space.umn.edu> <20030508183639.GE5859@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20030508150923.A23678@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 01:36:39PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> Never use it myself, but I've been told that `xhost +name` is
> equivalent to `xhost + name`, granting universal access.  Even if
> that's not correct, it makes sense to leave out the +, since that
> makes for less typing and less concern over typos (wouldn't want to
> get an unintentional space after the +...).

Haven't used it myself much in years, but the symmetry (and
legibility) of "xhost +host" and "xhost -host" is nice.  And I
just tested it - "xhost + localhost" only grants access to the
localhost, so the typo would be safe.

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From admin at lctn.org  Thu May  8 21:30:40 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
Message-ID: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>

I am trying to get sarg to work on an IPCop box. I get the following
errors. Is there anything I can do to overcome this, and get a successful
install?


root@ipcop:~/sarg-1.4.1 # ./configure
creating cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnuoldld
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH


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From david at acz.org  Thu May  8 21:05:16 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

John J. Trammell writes:
> BIND is buggy: I'm a member of the "all software sucks" camp, so this
> would have to be backed up with numbers for me to find it particularly
> damning.

There are some numbers on this page:

http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/unbind.html

The code base of BIND 9 is about twenty five times larger than that of
djbdns.  Sure, it has a few worthless extras that djbdns does not have, but
none of them matter now in real world usage.  I'll admit that I've never
looked at the code to BIND, but I would be willing to bet money that the
code to djbdns is of much higher quality.

> When I look at the ISC BIND page, I see it's been about 6
> months since the last CERT advisory, and that was for BIND8.

BIND 9 has had bugs that cause it to crash simply by sending it a DNS query.
While DNS service (or any internet service) is vulnerable to serious denial
of service attacks, this allows anyone to take down the server anonymously
with any amount of bandwidth.  That doesn't indicate quality.

> But (as
> has been said before) there have also been bugtraq entries for Apache,
> SSH, and the Linux kernel.  There must be *some* reason people
> continue to use them.  :-)

People use Linux because it has marketing and momentum.  It's also a kernel,
which puts it in a completely different category from applications.  I'm
sure that all UNIX kernels have had security holes.  Perhaps that is
inevitable due to the complexity involved.  Even the OpenBSD kernel has
security holes and it omits features such as SMP in the name of security.

There is not a good free alternative to OpenSSH.  If there were, perhaps
people would use it.

Apache sucks, but at the moment it is the best thing available for free for
users that need certain features such as PHP support.  Zeus is (apparently)
secure and a much better web server overall.  But most people can't justify
the cost, so they have to use Apache.  I hope to change this soon by
providing a free replacement for Apache that doesn't suck.

> BIND is bloated: I have no problem running BIND on a 486SX with 32MB
> RAM.  Bloated compared to other DNS systems?  Perhaps.  Does this
> cause problems on modern systems?  No.

Try serving thousands or hundreds of thousands of domains.  BIND will get
huge.  tinydns and MyDNS won't.

> BIND is difficult to administer: This is an opinion, one with which I
> would disagree.  Are other DNS systems easier to administer?  Perhaps,
> but that's another discussion.

This page gives a nice comparison:

http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/easeofuse.html

I've run BIND, djbdns and MyDNS.  djbdns and MyDNS are much easier to use.

MyDNS is very easy to setup.  The QUICKSTART file that comes with it has
seven steps, which include creating the MySQL database and user.  After
that, you can use the included web interface for everything.  Check out the
manual if you'd like to see how easy it is to use:

http://mydns.bboy.net/doc/html/

> As an aside, David, I appreciate the zeal with which you share your
> knowledge and opinions.  You might want to check out the Linux
> Advocacy mini-HOWTO for ideas on other ways to go about it:

I advocate the use of the best tool for the job.  That is why I like qmail,
djbdns, MyDNS, FreeBSD, Zeus, etc.  I think it's silly for political issues
to blind you from excellent software.

Linux is good for some things, FreeBSD is better for others.  But in the
case of sendmail vs. qmail or BIND vs. djbdns, there is always a clear
winner.

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  8 21:10:14 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <003f01c315d0$210e9310$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Raymond Norton writes:
> checking for gcc... no
> checking for cc... no
> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH

Do you have a C compiler installed?  If you don't, install gcc.  If you have
it installed, add it to your path.

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu May  8 21:31:59 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com> <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030509023159.GA31760@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:05:16PM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
[snip]
I might just try jdbdns, once I get some more tuits.

I'm just afraid that if I do, I'll turn into an asshole.  :-)

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May  8 21:47:14 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
Message-ID: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>

  This is a little off topic, but looking for some help on Apache.  I'm trying to run multiple servers on apache, via name instead of port.  I've followed both the O'Rielly Apache book and the apache website instructions for setting this up.  However, I'm evidently missing something.  Here's what I get when it starts:

root@server1:/etc/rc.d# ./rc.httpd start
[Thu May  8 21:22:38 2003] [warn] NameVirtualHost domain2:80 has no VirtualHosts
/usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd started

Here's the relevant part of my httpd.conf:

BindAddress *
ServerName ip.address.of.machine
NameVirtualHost domain1.com
NameVirtualHost domain2.net

<VirtualHost domain1.com>
    DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain1
    ServerName domain1.com
    ErrorLog /var/www/domain1
    CustomLog /var/www/domain1-access_log common
</VirtualHost>
#
<VirtualHost domain2.net>
    DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain2
    ServerName domain2.net
    ErrorLog /var/www/domain2
    CustomLog /var/www/domain2-access_log common
</VirtualHost>

  What happens is I can get domain1 to come up nicely, however when I navigate to domain2, it still points to domain1.  I have links and directories setup properly, but can't seem to figure out why it's not working.  I tried to search the archives, but still can't access them.
  I'm sure it's very simple, but I can't seem to figure it out.  Any pointers?

Thanks.

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Thu May  8 21:59:13 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com> <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030509025913.GH1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:05:16PM -0500, David Phillips wrote:

> There are some numbers on this page:
> 
> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/unbind.html

[snip 'Bind sucks, Apache sucks, Linux sucks']

> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/easeofuse.html

Do you have any original ideas, or are you going to continue to spam
the list with http://cr.yp.to/ urls?

> MyDNS is very easy to setup.  The QUICKSTART file that comes with it has
> seven steps, which include creating the MySQL database and user.

Are you advocating the use of "insecure" software? MySQL has had plenty of bugs.

> I advocate the use of the best tool for the job.  That is why I like qmail,
> djbdns, MyDNS, FreeBSD, Zeus, etc.  I think it's silly for political issues
> to blind you from excellent software.
> 
> Linux is good for some things, FreeBSD is better for others.  But in the
> case of sendmail vs. qmail or BIND vs. djbdns, there is always a clear
> winner.

That's your opinion, please understand that qmail/djbdns/djb* is not always
(or even most of the time) the best tool for the job. If it were, everyone
would be using it.

Once again, please stop trying to shove your opinion down peoples throats,
I think we're all aware of your opinions now, and can keep them in mind
the next time we're choosing mail server or name server software, without
a constant reminder.

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May  8 22:01:43 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030509030143.GA2742@fandre.com>

On Thu, 08 May 2003, Shawn wrote:

>   This is a little off topic, but looking for some help on Apache.  I'm trying to run multiple servers on apache, via name instead of port.  I've followed both the O'Rielly Apache book and the apache website instructions for setting this up.  However, I'm evidently missing something.  Here's what I get when it starts:
> 

How about this?
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html

NameVirtualHost *
 
<VirtualHost *>
    DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain1
    ServerName domain1.com
    ErrorLog /var/www/domain1
    CustomLog /var/www/domain1-access_log common
</VirtualHost>
#
<VirtualHost *>
    DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain2
    ServerName domain2.net
    ErrorLog /var/www/domain2
    CustomLog /var/www/domain2-access_log common
</VirtualHost>

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  8 22:05:51 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c315d7$e5a40730$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Shawn writes:
>   This is a little off topic, but looking for some help on Apache.
> I'm trying to run multiple servers on apache, via name instead of
> port.  I've followed both the O'Rielly Apache book and the apache
> website instructions for setting this up.  However, I'm evidently
> missing something.  Here's what I get when it starts:

Next time don't obscure your information.  If you expect free help, provide
complete, correct information.  If you need to keep your configuration data
secret, hire a consultant.

Virtual hosts in Apache don't work that way.  Read the docs (again) and
follow the examples.  Hint: a VirtualHost container must contain a * or an
IP address, not a hostname.  The same goes for NameVirtualHost, which
corresponds to VirtualHost.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html

When you get tired of screwing with the config every time you want to add a
virtual host, you might choose a different approach.  Apache has a mass
virtual hosting module which lets you create new virtual servers simply by
creating a directory or symlink:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/mass.html

Just do something like this:

<Directory /etc/sites/>
    Options All
    AllowOverride All
</Directory>
VirtualDocumentRoot /etc/sites/%0/

Then create a directory or symlink for each hostname in /etc/sites, such as
/etc/sites/www.example.com.  I've got a program that will split logs
generated in the format shown on that page:

http://david.maridia.com/prog/logsplit.tar.gz

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  8 22:08:40 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <010b01c3150c$c8334560$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com> <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030509025913.GH1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <00bd01c315d8$4aba52f0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Matthew S. Hallacy writes:
> Are you advocating the use of "insecure" software? MySQL has had
> plenty of bugs.

MySQL can easily be secured behind a firewall.   The security of your
backend database server is not generally an issue, as you don't open it up
to the entire world.

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From sraun at fireopal.org  Thu May  8 22:10:20 2003
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030509031020.GA32565@fireopal.org>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:47:14PM -0500, Shawn wrote:

I have BindAddress commented out.

Also, the only ServerName lines I have are within individual
VirtualHost sections.

> BindAddress *
> ServerName ip.address.of.machine
> NameVirtualHost domain1.com
> NameVirtualHost domain2.net

I've got:

NameVirtualHost (IP Address of PC)

> <VirtualHost domain1.com>
This line becomes
(VirtualHost (IP Address of PC))
>     DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain1
>     ServerName domain1.com
>     ErrorLog /var/www/domain1
>     CustomLog /var/www/domain1-access_log common
> </VirtualHost>
> #
> <VirtualHost domain2.net>
This line _also_ becomes
(VirtualHost (IP Address of PC))
>     DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain2
>     ServerName domain2.net
>     ErrorLog /var/www/domain2
>     CustomLog /var/www/domain2-access_log common
> </VirtualHost>

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Thu May  8 22:55:21 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <00b601c315d7$e5a40730$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305082252560.24378-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Thu, 8 May 2003, David Phillips wrote:

> Next time don't obscure your information.  If you expect free help, provide
> complete, correct information.

What he posted is common practice.  Since this is a publicy archived list,
obscuring IP addresses and hostnames is a Good Thing(tm).  It's rare
that a poster uses real domain info, and he provided more than enough info
about his config to solve the problem.

-Brian



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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May  8 23:05:48 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: STOP feeding the troll: Re: [OT] [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck> <20030508173238.GA18560@mail.el-swifto.com> <000e01c315cf$6f342dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <200305082305.48908@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 08 May 2003 09:05 pm, David Phillips wrote:
> John J. Trammell writes:
> > BIND is buggy: I'm a member of the "all software sucks" camp, so this
> > would have to be backed up with numbers for me to find it particularly
> > damning.

Please stop feeding the troll.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May  8 23:07:26 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 08 May 2003 09:30 pm, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I am trying to get sarg to work on an IPCop box. I get the following
> errors. Is there anything I can do to overcome this, and get a successful
> install?
>
>
> root@ipcop:~/sarg-1.4.1 # ./configure
> creating cache ./config.cache
> checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnuoldld
> checking for gcc... no
> checking for cc... no
> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH

Eeek! You should configure and/or compile software as root. You're just asking 
for trouble.

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Thu May  8 23:19:17 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030509041917.GI1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:07:26PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Eeek! You should configure and/or compile software as root. You're just asking 
                  ^- not
> for trouble.

As for the original question, good luck, ipcop seems to think that 
making it really hard to admin anything on an ipcop box makes it
secure =)

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu May  8 23:19:09 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> 
	<200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1052453950.16178.14.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 23:07, Bob Tanner wrote:
> On Thursday 08 May 2003 09:30 pm, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > root@ipcop:~/sarg-1.4.1 # ./configure
> > creating cache ./config.cache
> > checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnuoldld
> > checking for gcc... no
> > checking for cc... no
> > configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
> 
> Eeek! You should configure and/or compile software as root. You're just asking 
> for trouble.

Did you mean to say "should not"?

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From wilson at visi.com  Thu May  8 23:36:01 2003
From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030509043601.GA11596@isis.visi.com>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:47:14PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
>   This is a little off topic, but looking for some help on Apache.  I'm trying to run multiple servers on apache, via name instead of port.  I've followed both the O'Rielly Apache book and the apache website instructions for setting this up.  However, I'm evidently missing something.  Here's what I get when it starts:
> 
> root@server1:/etc/rc.d# ./rc.httpd start
> [Thu May  8 21:22:38 2003] [warn] NameVirtualHost domain2:80 has no VirtualHosts
> /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd started
> 
> Here's the relevant part of my httpd.conf:
> 
> BindAddress *
> ServerName ip.address.of.machine

Does your server have a private IP address that traffic is being forwarded
to? If so, make sure you use the private IP, not the public one. I got
burned on this setting up some virtual hosts on the server that I had
with my DSL.

-Tim

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu May  8 23:37:35 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20030509043735.GF17734@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:30:40PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
>I am trying to get sarg to work on an IPCop box. I get the following
>errors. Is there anything I can do to overcome this, and get a successful
>install?
>
>
>root@ipcop:~/sarg-1.4.1 # ./configure
>creating cache ./config.cache
>checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnuoldld
>checking for gcc... no
>checking for cc... no
>configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
>
>
IPCop doesn't come with any devel tools.  If you read their docs I
believe you will see what I mean.  You get perl and that is about as
close as you get.  You may want to holler at the ipcop-devel list to get
more info.

It is a security 'feature'.

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From david at acz.org  Thu May  8 23:49:22 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305082252560.24378-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c315e6$5c08fc60$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Brian writes:
> What he posted is common practice.  Since this is a publicy archived
> list, obscuring IP addresses and hostnames is a Good Thing(tm).  It's
> rare  that a poster uses real domain info, and he provided more than
> enough info about his config to solve the problem.

Yes, because obviously those IP addresses and hostnames wouldn't have been
available on a public network.  He copied the trouble shooting information
and did so incorrectly in at least one place.  In this case, it didn't stop
me from solving his problem, but he had no way of knowing that.  In many
cases, it is impossible to debug a problem without accurate information.

This page explains it better:

http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/dont-obscure-your-dns-data.
html

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  9 00:05:25 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid MUAs what put attachments as uuencoded -inline-
Message-ID: <200305090005.25257@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

Anyone have a procmail receipe for converting -inline- attachments that are 
uudencoded?

What I mean by this is the Content-Type is -not- set. The attachment is -not- 
MIME complaint. 

It would be like uuencoding a file too /var/tmp/file.uu, running your favorite 
linux MUA, composing a message and under vim ':r /var/tmp/file.uu' That is 
how I get the message.

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Fri May  9 00:08:23 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid MUAs what put attachments as uuencoded -inline-
In-Reply-To: <200305090005.25257@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <200305090005.25257@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030509050823.GJ1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 12:05:25AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Anyone have a procmail receipe for converting -inline- attachments that are 
> uudencoded?
> 
> What I mean by this is the Content-Type is -not- set. The attachment is -not- 
> MIME complaint. 
> 
> It would be like uuencoding a file too /var/tmp/file.uu, running your favorite 
> linux MUA, composing a message and under vim ':r /var/tmp/file.uu' That is 
> how I get the message.
> 

Forward me a raw sample message and I'll whip something up.

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From joel at joelschneider.net  Fri May  9 00:09:44 2003
From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bind/DNS help needed
In-Reply-To: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck>; from rkdata@qwest.net on Wed, May 07, 2003 at 04:51:30PM -0500
References: <001501c314e2$d1f059a0$040be43f@Chuck>
Message-ID: <20030509000944.J11608@joelschneider.net>

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 04:51:30PM -0500, Kurt wrote:
> I've been asked to host a couple web pages on my server.
...
> I'm assuming I need to set up my own DNS.

Your domain name registrar should be able to provide a simple DNS setup
for the domains you're using.  If not, maybe try domaindiscover.com.

> Apache server

Apache supports name-based virtual hosts:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/index.html

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May  9 00:24:40 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <1052453950.16178.14.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <2554.66.103.164.4.1052447440.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <200305082307.26048@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <1052453950.16178.14.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <200305090024.40269@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 08 May 2003 11:19 pm, Mike Hicks wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 23:07, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 May 2003 09:30 pm, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > > root@ipcop:~/sarg-1.4.1 # ./configure
> > > creating cache ./config.cache
> > > checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnuoldld
> > > checking for gcc... no
> > > checking for cc... no
> > > configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
> >
> > Eeek! You should configure and/or compile software as root. You're just
> > asking for trouble.
>
> Did you mean to say "should not"?

Yeah,  it's late and I'm trying to use kmail :-)
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May  9 05:55:34 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <001a01c315e6$5c08fc60$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305082252560.24378-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
	<001a01c315e6$5c08fc60$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030509055534.040b6fc3.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Thu, 8 May 2003 23:49:22 -0500
"David Phillips" <david@acz.org> wrote:

> Yes, because obviously those IP addresses and hostnames wouldn't have
> been available on a public network.  He copied the trouble shooting
> information and did so incorrectly in at least one place.  In this
> case, it didn't stop me from solving his problem, but he had no way of
> knowing that.  In many cases, it is impossible to debug a problem
> without accurate information.
> 
  I copied the information directly from my config file and changed the domain names.  Maybe I don't want the domains publicly listed as I have no intentions of making them web searchable.  Where did I mess up copying information?  The information including the error was directly copied and pasted, the only things changed were the domain names.

  Next time you decide you have an issue with the way someone has posted for help, instead of biting their head off because you've got a stick shoved so far up where the sun don't shine, delete the mail instead.  Saves a lot of frustration.

  The LUG list is here to help people, as well as discuss Linux related topics.  I posted my question, and stated it was off-topic to some degree.  It is running on a Slackware box, fyi.  I did a google search, and didn't come up with much info on the search string I used.  I compared what I had in the httpd.conf file, to both online and printed documentation I have and couldn't see the difference.  I did try multiple changes, all with no luck prior to posting.


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From loren at lorenburlingame.com  Fri May  9 07:09:25 2003
From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB9A75.3000004@lorenburlingame.com>

Shawn wrote:

>  What happens is I can get domain1 to come up nicely, however when I navigate to domain2, it still points to domain1.
>
Taken from the apache name-based doc:

"Now when a request arrives, the server will first check if it is using
an IP address that matches the |NameVirtualHost|. If it is, then it will
look at each |<VirtualHost>| section with a matching IP address and try
to find one where the |ServerName| or |ServerAlias| matches the
requested hostname"

since you aparently do not have host names AND you are using the same IP
for both virtual host entries, I think what is happening is Apache just
takes the first VirtualHost matching the NameVirtualHost IP.

*disclaimer* I am by no means an expert on Apache so I could very well
be wrong here.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May  9 09:05:59 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030509030143.GA2742@fandre.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<20030509030143.GA2742@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20030509090559.756632bf.sfertch@real-time.com>

> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html
> 
This was one of the sources I was referencing.

By changing the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost> entries to show either an * or ip of the machine, I don't get the error I was before.  Was an error on my part, and an oversight of the documentation.  I wasn't aware of having to need either of those, and not being able to use names.  I also commented out the BindAddress entry.

I can now navigate to both sites by going to either http://domain1.com or http://domain2.net.  I've tried setting up a ServerAlias within the <VirtualHost> blocks, to allow me to go to http://www.domain1.com and http://www.domain2.net.  But, when I navigate to http://www.domain2.net, I get domain1's website.  Aliases are set up properly within DNS, as I can do either an nslookup or dig for both entries successfully.  After any changes made to the httpd.conf file, I've stopped and restarted the apache server.  I looked at the /var/log/apache/error_log, and am not seeing any error messages.

I'm not very familiar with Apache, and am not comfortable with loading modules into it right now.  Otherwise I'd look more into the solution David Phillips mentioned about the mass hosts.

Thanks for the help.

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri May  9 10:01:33 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <001a01c315e6$5c08fc60$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305091001030.25711-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Thu, 8 May 2003, David Phillips wrote:

> Yes, because obviously those IP addresses and hostnames wouldn't have been
> available on a public network.  He copied the trouble shooting information
> and did so incorrectly in at least one place.  In this case, it didn't stop
> me from solving his problem, but he had no way of knowing that.  In many
> cases, it is impossible to debug a problem without accurate information.

There's only one way to solve this:

www.mn-linux.org

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From mj at jentges.net  Fri May  9 11:54:48 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <20030509090559.756632bf.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
        <20030509030143.GA2742@fandre.com>
        <20030509090559.756632bf.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <2837.199.199.150.6.1052499288.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

And hence AUTHOR wrote: Shawn
>
> I'm not very familiar with Apache, and am not comfortable with loading
> modules into it right now.

Ah. one very good way to learn, grasshoppah....

-mj



(set up a box at home and break it all over the place.)

Licenses are cheap.  :)

-mj

> Shawn
>
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> shape you."  --Albert Einstein
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May  9 12:04:47 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosts on Apache
In-Reply-To: <2837.199.199.150.6.1052499288.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
References: <20030508214714.11126f03.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<20030509030143.GA2742@fandre.com>
	<20030509090559.756632bf.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<2837.199.199.150.6.1052499288.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
Message-ID: <20030509120447.5740c115.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Fri, 9 May 2003 11:54:48 -0500 (CDT)
"Michael Jentges" <mj@jentges.net> wrote:

> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Shawn
> >
> > I'm not very familiar with Apache, and am not comfortable with
> > loading modules into it right now.
> 
> Ah. one very good way to learn, grasshoppah....
> (set up a box at home and break it all over the place.)
> 
> Licenses are cheap.  :)
> 
That's my intention in the near future, however I need to get this server going.  then I can play later on.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May  9 13:08:42 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] mozilla and javascript and jessusdressup
Message-ID: <20030509180842.GF18738@autonomous.tv>

I am trying to show my child jesusdressup.com.  It is a fun little
website that is written with javascripts.  It works fine using that ie
browser, but it does not want to work with mozilla.  I do seem to recall
it working some time ago when I was showing it to my eldest child.

I installed the blackdown jre for gcc3.x and ensured that mozilla new
about the new plugins, that did not allow me to 'dress up jesus'.

I tinkered around the java-script console a bit and found a few errors.
I just have no idea how to satisfy its complaints.

This is one of those silly problems that I find that I just can't sleep
until I find the answer.  If anyone has any clues or pointers or LARTS
they want to share with me, please do.



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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May  9 13:17:37 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Let me start by pointing out I am a retard
Next....i am running slackware 9.0 and just installed blackbox and fluxbox from /extra and I don't know how to use them now....at first install kdm had and option for blackbox but in my infinite wisdom I got rid of all the choices except the ones I used at the time.....now I want to use blackbox and/or fluxbox and can do nothing but sit in the corner and cry

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May  9 13:22:30 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <20030509182230.GG18738@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 01:17:37PM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote:
>Let me start by pointing out I am a retard
>Next....i am running slackware 9.0 and just installed blackbox and fluxbox from /extra and I don't know how to use them now....at first install kdm had and option for blackbox but in my infinite wisdom I got rid of all the choices except the ones I used at the time.....now I want to use blackbox and/or fluxbox and can do nothing but sit in the corner and cry
>
>Dan

The quickest way to do it is thusly: (from the console and no
xdm/kdm/gdm etc..running)
1) edit your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
2) comment out everything
3) add this to the bottom
	exec fluxbox
4) save and exit
5) startx

That is a very quick and dirty way to change your window manager.  You
can also use that same thing in ~/.xession <--- I think that is the
proper file but I am probably wrong about that.  Anyway, I am sure
someone will post a much more comprehensive way to solve your issue.
This way should get you up and running though.

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May  9 13:31:27 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3529@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

<I say>
thanks you're a peach!!!

<you said>
The quickest way to do it is thusly: (from the console and no
xdm/kdm/gdm etc..running)
1) edit your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
2) comment out everything
3) add this to the bottom
	exec fluxbox
4) save and exit
5) startx

That is a very quick and dirty way to change your window manager.  You
can also use that same thing in ~/.xession <--- I think that is the
proper file but I am probably wrong about that.  Anyway, I am sure
someone will post a much more comprehensive way to solve your issue.
This way should get you up and running though.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May  9 13:32:30 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3529@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3529@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <20030509183230.GH18738@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 01:31:27PM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote:
><I say>
>thanks you're a peach!!!
Try explaining _that_ to the folks on IRC ;)

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From cdf123 at cdf123.com  Fri May  9 13:48:06 2003
From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PHP Install Error
Message-ID: <1052506085.2609.15.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>

I could really use some help on this one.  Trying to install php 4.3.1
on a Mandrake 9.0 system from source.  Configure works fine.  I actually
copied the "Configure Command" from the phpinfo() command on another
MDK9 box to configure it, and added the --with-unixODBC parameter to it:

./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --disable-static
--disable-debug --disable-rpath --enable-pic
--enable-inline-optimization --with-config-file-path=/etc
--enable-magic-quotes --enable-debugger --enable-track-vars
--with-exec-dir=/usr/bin --with-versioning --with-mod_charset
--with-expat-dir=/usr --with-regex=php --enable-force-cgi-redirect
--enable-track-vars --enable-trans-sid --enable-safe-mode --with-ctype
--with-ttf --with-freetype-dir=/usr --with-zlib --enable-sysvsem
--enable-sysvshm --enable-yp --enable-ftp --with-gettext
--without-aspell --without-kerberos --with-unixODBC

This works fine, and make works as well.  But make install returns this
error:

Installing PHP SAPI module
cp:  cannot stat 'sapi/cgi/php': No such file or directory
make: *** [install-sapi] Error 1

Anyone have any ideas how I can fix this or track it down quickly?  This
is actually for a client that I'm supposed to mail the server to today. 
Mega thanks in advance for any help.  I'm gona try cleaning this
configure parameter list up a bit.

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From rpgoldman at real-time.com  Fri May  9 13:53:48 2003
From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla synchronization
In-Reply-To: <3EBA9ED4.1030405@real-time.com>
References: <16058.39422.229751.833116@tsathoggua.mydomain>
	<3EBA9ED4.1030405@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <16059.63804.893579.616749@tsathoggua.mydomain>

Dave Sherman writes:
 > rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote:
 > > Occasionally I go on a trip.  I take a laptop.  What I'd like to do is
 > > somehow synchronize my Mozilla profile on the laptop with the one on
 > > the desktop, so that I have all my emails, accounts, etc.  Does anyone
 > > know how to this?  The profile manager is able to create or delete
 > > profiles, but not copy them (as far as I can tell).
 > 
 > Your profile is stored in ~/.mozilla/default/<random>.slt/
 > Just copy all files in that random-named directory into the equivalent 
 > randomly-named directory on the other machine, and you will be good to go.
 > 

Thanks, Dave.  I think I should have been more specific.  What I'd
like to do is just get the email (and, possibly the bookmarks) over
onto the portable.  But if I move the entire profile, then I'm going
to be moving things like pathname references, that may not be stable
across platforms.  E.g., on the desktop I have crossover office and
can open MS office docs, on the laptop I have only StarOffice, etc.  

How do I get just the email stuff synched?

Cheers,
R

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From dsherman at real-time.com  Fri May  9 14:06:18 2003
From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla synchronization
In-Reply-To: <16059.63804.893579.616749@tsathoggua.mydomain>
References: <16058.39422.229751.833116@tsathoggua.mydomain>	<3EBA9ED4.1030405@real-time.com> <16059.63804.893579.616749@tsathoggua.mydomain>
Message-ID: <3EBBFC2A.8000102@real-time.com>

rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote:
> Thanks, Dave.  I think I should have been more specific.  What I'd
> like to do is just get the email (and, possibly the bookmarks) over
> onto the portable.  But if I move the entire profile, then I'm going
> to be moving things like pathname references, that may not be stable
> across platforms.  E.g., on the desktop I have crossover office and
> can open MS office docs, on the laptop I have only StarOffice, etc.  
> 
> How do I get just the email stuff synched?

If you look in the *.slt folder, you will see a Mail directory which 
contains all your email (several files in there, for each mail "folder" 
in Mozilla). You will also see a bookmarks.html file, which is your 
bookmarks. If you also need your email address book, grab the abook.mab 
file.

-- 
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From kremer at ringworld.org  Fri May  9 15:57:41 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] HP likes linux
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305091546090.4048-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but I figured it was
noteworthy.  Compaq's Proliant series is now HP branded, and I'm currently
in the process of installing Windows on a few Proliants at work using HP's
new version of SmartStart (previously compaq's OS installation software)
The installer was just booting up and I noticed that telltale grey and
white diagonally striped screen with an X shaped cursor for a second.  So
of course I had to poke around a bit more.
<ctl><alt><F1> happily brought me to a console where I was able to figure
out that they are using Redhat 7.3.
So...if anyone's wondering what kind of servers will run linux well, I'm
guessing you can safely bet on HP, since they have their customers install
Windows through linux.
Ok...I'm done now.  I just thought it was pretty cool and felt the need to
share.

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But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity."
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From david at acz.org  Fri May  9 20:06:42 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PHP Install Error
References: <1052506085.2609.15.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
Message-ID: <007701c31690$6b6eefc0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Chris Frederick writes:
> --enable-shared --disable-static

You might want to try the opposite:

--disable-shared (static is default)

Loadable PHP modules are really only useful if you are packaging it for
others.  If the build is just for your box(es), loadable modules just adds
extra overhead and potential problems.  This is especially true for CGI.

> --enable-pic

There is no option enable-pic option.  The correct option is with-pic or
without-pic.  You can safely leave this out entirely.

> --enable-inline-optimization

This is the default.

> --enable-debugger

This option is only for PHP 3.

> --with-versioning

The option is enable-versioning.  You don't need this unless you are trying
to build both PHP 3 and PHP 4 as an Apache module.  You certainly don't need
it for CGI.

> --enable-trans-sid

This option is always compiled with 4.2.0 and above.

> --with-ctype

This is enabled by default in 4.2.0 and above.

> --without-aspell

This appears to be depracted.  At best, it is the default.

> --without-kerberos

This is the default.

> Installing PHP SAPI module
> cp:  cannot stat 'sapi/cgi/php': No such file or directory
> make: *** [install-sapi] Error 1

If you didn't start from freshly unpacked source, did you do a "make
distclean" before configuring?

Look at the last line from make.  What executable was it linking?  Look in
sapi/cgi and see if there is a php binary.

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From peter-clark at bethel.edu  Sat May 10 10:55:07 2003
From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GoboLinux: Linux with an alternate directory tree
Message-ID: <200305101055.07461.peter-clark@bethel.edu>

	Since I was responsible for the last thread, "Idle musings on filesystem 
structure," I thought I would post a link to one such attempt: 
http://www.gobolinux.org/. (Found through Kuro5hin at 
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/5/9/05015/62649, although the "discussion" 
can hardly (as typical) be called that.) This is how / looks:
Depot
Mount
System
Files
Programs
Users

	For more information on the tree structure, check out the PDF (it's in 
Portuguese, but simple to figure out): 
http://www.gobolinux.org/doc/sicompi2003/gobolinux_lajeado.pdf
	:Peter

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sun May 11 12:32:57 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and Apache automatic configuring
Message-ID: <1052674378.9837.57.camel@3po.thodt.net>

I've had this problem several times on Debian.  Has anyone found a way
to get the apacheconfig script to actually add PHP module when it is
installed (and not forget about it later and cut it out)?  The box in
question here is running stable (Woody).  I guess my desktop running
testing/unstable can manage to do it right, so maybe it's fixed in newer
versions..

    Setting up php4 (4.1.2-6) ...
    I see you have apache webserver installed and so far you haven't
    used the apache module version of php4 in your apache. If you
    want to use it, you should reconfigure the apache webserver and
    select to load the php module. I can call the apacheconfig script
    now for you to do it, or you can insert the following line into
    /etc/apache/httpd.conf manually:
    
    LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
    
    Do you want me to run the apacheconfig script now [y/N] ? y
    Finding DSO mods........................................found.
    
    # LoadModule vhost_alias_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_vhost_alias.so
    # LoadModule env_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_env.so
    LoadModule config_log_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config.so
    LoadModule mime_magic_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_mime_magic.so
    LoadModule mime_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_mime.so
    LoadModule negotiation_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_negotiation.so
    LoadModule status_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_status.so
    # LoadModule info_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_info.so
    # LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so
    LoadModule autoindex_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_autoindex.so
    LoadModule dir_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_dir.so
    LoadModule cgi_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_cgi.so
    # LoadModule asis_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_asis.so
    # LoadModule imap_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_imap.so
    # LoadModule action_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_actions.so
    # LoadModule speling_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_speling.so
    LoadModule userdir_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_userdir.so
    LoadModule alias_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_alias.so
    LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so
    LoadModule access_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_access.so
    LoadModule auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth.so
    # LoadModule anon_auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth_anon.so
    # LoadModule dbm_auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth_dbm.so
    # LoadModule db_auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth_db.so
    # LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so
    # LoadModule digest_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_digest.so
    # LoadModule cern_meta_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_cern_meta.so
    LoadModule expires_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_expires.so
    # LoadModule headers_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_headers.so
    # LoadModule usertrack_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_usertrack.so
    LoadModule unique_id_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_unique_id.so
    LoadModule setenvif_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_setenvif.so
    # LoadModule sys_auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth_sys.so
    # LoadModule put_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_put.so
    # LoadModule throttle_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_throttle.so
    # LoadModule allowdev_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_allowdev.so
    # LoadModule eaccess_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_eaccess.so
    # LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
    # LoadModule roaming_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_roaming.so
    
    Pondering........................................ done.
    
    Save these changes to the configuration files? [Y/n] 
    
It's *really* annoying

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From peter-clark at bethel.edu  Sun May 11 20:52:54 2003
From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] More laptop choices
Message-ID: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>

	So I found two great deals, one for an HP ze5125, the other for a Compaq 
1525us. Our friend Google returned a couple of helpful pages about running 
Linux on the ze5125, but nada on the 1525us. Since HP and Compaq are one big 
happy family these days, support should be equally good (or bad) for both. 
The price difference is $20. The HP has an ATI Mobility Radeon, while the 
Compaq has an ATI Radeon IGP. Other specs are just about equal (although the 
Compaq has USB2, which is a definite plus in its favor). Would anyone care to 
comment? 
	:Peter
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From peter-clark at bethel.edu  Sun May 11 21:14:32 2003
From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:30 2005
Subject: Correction was Re: [TCLUG] More laptop choices
In-Reply-To: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
References: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <200305112114.32896.peter-clark@bethel.edu>

	Sorry, that should be an HP ze5185. Too many numbers to keep track of. :)

> So I found two great deals, one for an HP ze5125, the other for a Compaq
> 1525us. Our friend Google returned a couple of helpful pages about running
> Linux on the ze5125, but nada on the 1525us. Since HP and Compaq are one
> big happy family these days, support should be equally good (or bad) for
> both. The price difference is $20. The HP has an ATI Mobility Radeon, while
> the Compaq has an ATI Radeon IGP. Other specs are just about equal
> (although the Compaq has USB2, which is a definite plus in its favor).
> Would anyone care to comment?


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From joel at joelschneider.net  Sun May 11 21:25:02 2003
From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] More laptop choices
In-Reply-To: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Sun, May 11, 2003 at 08:52:54PM -0500
References: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <20030511212502.K11608@joelschneider.net>

On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 08:52:54PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
> 	So I found two great deals, one for an HP ze5125, the other for a Compaq 
> 1525us. Our friend Google returned a couple of helpful pages about running 
> Linux on the ze5125, but nada on the 1525us.

Here's one that looks close:
http://www.pocock.com.au/linux-cpq-1503ap.html

(from google search:  http://www.google.com/linux?q=presario+1500)

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May 12 10:18:48 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFBB@mail.temgweb.com>

So I got bored this weekend and tried out Apple's iTunes music service.  It
absolutely rocks, very impressive.

There's a ton of music I was looking for, but haven't purchased it because I
don't want to buy the whole CD.  99 cents a track is a decent deal, and
instead of buying 5 different CD's for like $17 each (hard to find stuff), I
got by with spending $4.95.  It's 128kbps AAC, but it does sound quite
decent.  It would be nice if it was a higher bitrate, but as it is, I can't
really hear any problems with it.  30 second previews of songs at full
quality also.  This is the one thing that annoys me about buying music at
most stores, there's no way to preview it first.  

Also, if you have iTunes, and you go to http://spymac.com/music , you can
search people's shared playlists and stream their music to your machine over
the net.  You can't copy it, just listen to it.  I'm sure someone will
figure out a way to copy it though.  Although, since you can get most stuff
for 99 cents a track, it's probably not worth the hassle.

If you have iTunes, you need to try this out.  It's funny that record
companies complain that there's no future in online music distribution,
however, it's hard to see how there's not after checking out the iTunes
thing.  

Jay

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From list at slushpupie.com  Mon May 12 10:47:43 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
Message-ID: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com>

Ok- I dont want to start a flame war on this topic, so please keep comments 
related to the problem, not "re-implement the system with something else".

I have 2 cacheing DNS servers that are hit hard- (as in billions of requests 
per day, at least) In order to keep this running smoothly, we use djbdns as 
its the fastest we can find for our particular application, and we are not 
willing to change that at the moment.  However, a few domains that 
occationally get requested have bad information, and we would like to 
"blacklist" them by providing ourselves as the authorty for them (to just the 
cacheing DNS servers), and point them back to our own servers. The probem is 
you cannot run a cacheing server on the same IP as a full DNS server. Keeping 
in mind performance is a key issue here, does anyone have any suggestions to 
implement this?

Jay

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From david at acz.org  Mon May 12 11:00:21 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
References: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3189f$9793d320$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Jay Kline writes:
> However, a few domains that occationally get requested have bad
> information, and we would like to "blacklist" them by providing
> ourselves as the authorty for them (to just the cacheing DNS
> servers), and point them back to our own servers. The probem is you
> cannot run a cacheing server on the same IP as a full DNS server.

You need to run tinydns on a different interface, such as localhost, and
have dnscache forward requests for those domains to it:

echo 127.0.0.1 > /service/dnscache/root/servers/example.com

This tells dnscache to use 127.0.0.1 as the authoritative server for
example.com.  Now setup tinydns on 127.0.0.1 to answer for that domain:

http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html

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From david at acz.org  Mon May 12 11:12:14 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
References: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com> <000b01c3189f$9793d320$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <000401c318a1$405c2dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

David Phillips writes:
> echo 127.0.0.1 > /service/dnscache/root/servers/example.com

I forgot to mention that you will need to restart dnscache after you do
this:

svc -t /service/dnscache

You will obviously want to perform both of these steps after you have setup
and tested tinydns (using dnsq).  You might also take a look at this
article:

http://matt.simerson.net/computing/dns/dnscache-scaling.shtml

The technique there might be really useful in your situation.  If you put
the domains into root/servers on the frontend cache, you can add and remove
domains from it without restarting the backend cache and losing all the
cached data.  You can even run both of them on the same machine along with
tinydns.  Just use different IP addresses (even local ones).

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From tanner at real-time.com  Mon May 12 11:19:13 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
In-Reply-To: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <200305121119.13644@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Monday 12 May 2003 10:47 am, Jay Kline wrote:
> Ok- I dont want to start a flame war on this topic, so please keep comments
> related to the problem, not "re-implement the system with something else".
>
> I have 2 cacheing DNS servers that are hit hard- (as in billions of
                                                                               
Billions? Really?

That's pretty impressive!

Are you spamming? :-P


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From nota12b at mail.iglide.net  Mon May 12 11:49:50 2003
From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: More laptop choices
Message-ID: <200305121049.AA1398735132@mail.iglide.net>

<snip>
So I found two great deals, one for an HP ze5125, the other for a 
Compaq 1525us.
</snip>

My .02...

I recently got a ze5155 HP and have been very happy with it 
performing to my desires - RH8 was a no-brainer (mild pun 
intended), SuSE8.1 would go on but some other issues occurred 
(tried 3X - kept obliterating the MBR, so loose everything?!?!), 
haven't tried anything else.

The Nat'l Inst NIC built-in works without a hitch.
DVD/CDRW - same.
PCMCIA - same.
Modem - who cares? *shrug*

I got rid of a Compaq 1215US when I got this one and have but one 
thing to say - avoid ANYTHING Compaq like the plague it is... I 
had Carl help at the last installfest work with me (and finally 
just working ON it) for over 2 hours w/ NO luck (well, 'bad' luck 
isn't 'no' luck, but you get the idea). EVERYTHING was WinModem in 
nature - nic, modem, et al. Install went fine, but at first reboot 
KUDZU kicked in and said 'oh! let me configure that!' to 
everything and then would never come back - hard lock/no way 
out/death and dismemberment - was to follow. After 3 attempts at 
it Carl pronounced, "you have a very nice Windows machine". *sigh*

Since HP bought them I don't know, but based on my (very limited!) 
exp, steer well-wide of Compaq if it's an issue of a few bucks.

ze5155 stats:
1.8Ghz Intel 
512Mb DDRAM
40Gb drive
IEEE Firewire - 1
usb - 1.1 (x2), 2.0 (x1)
32Mb - ATI Radeon (dedicated)
2 PCMCIA slots
built-in floppy
DVD/CDRW combo
15" xga display
irda - don't know if this works either?


Be advised - this is a DESKTOP REPLACEMENT - and all that that 
implies. It's a beast at about 8#, uses a Northwood processor 
(desktop) so isn't speed-step enabled - it's got about 60-75 
minutes unplugged (I use SETI@HOME so the processor is pegged at 
100% at all times - if I drop SETI it gets closer to 2 hours). I 
wanted the dedicated video (the 4145 AMD equivalent was shared and 
have numerous other 'cost-saving' features that put it out of the 
running as much as I'd rather have AMD), the firewire (also not in 
the 4145), and 'all in one' (4145 = usb floppy).

<end propaganda>

Hope it helps!
Wil



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From charon at netzero.net  Mon May 12 12:30:03 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
Message-ID: <3EBFDA1B.4000201@netzero.net>

How do I replace "/Foo/" with "/Bar/Foo/Moo/" in contents of files matching a pattern (ex: *html) in 
a dir, recursively?


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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon May 12 12:32:27 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: More laptop choices
In-Reply-To: <200305121049.AA1398735132@mail.iglide.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305121227120.16155-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

Compaq may be HP now, but Compaq's have been heavily reliant on Windows
since Win98, and with each revision, Compaq's laptops are geared more an
more tward a home user who wants portability.

My Dad's laptop is a wonder. No docking station port, kinda flimsy plastic
door protecting the ports, and said door has enough tension to force USB
plugs and keyboard plugs upwards, which can't be that great for the
longetivity of the ports.

Modem and Sound require windows components, not sure about the NIC. If
nobody has info on the web about the Compaq laptop in question and Linux,
there is probally a good reason.

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From adamm at sihope.com  Mon May 12 12:35:22 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <3EBFDA1B.4000201@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305121233350.20818-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

for FILE in `find . -name "*.html"`; do
  cat $FILE | sed s./Foo/./Bar/Foo/Moo/.g > /tmp/tempfile
  mv /tmp/tempfile $FILE
done

Warning - I'm shooting from the hip here.  Test Test Test!

On Mon, 12 May 2003, Michael Ableyev wrote:

> How do I replace "/Foo/" with "/Bar/Foo/Moo/" in contents of files matching a pattern (ex: *html) in 
> a dir, recursively?
> 
> 
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From list at slushpupie.com  Mon May 12 12:46:17 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3189f$9793d320$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com> <000b01c3189f$9793d320$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <200305121246.17271.list@slushpupie.com>

On Monday 12 May 2003 11:00 am, David Phillips wrote:
> You need to run tinydns on a different interface, such as localhost, and
> have dnscache forward requests for those domains to it:
>
> echo 127.0.0.1 > /service/dnscache/root/servers/example.com
>
> This tells dnscache to use 127.0.0.1 as the authoritative server for
> example.com.  Now setup tinydns on 127.0.0.1 to answer for that domain:
>
> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html

Yes, but does tinydns do recursive lookups? My understanding was that it did 
not, and that is where my hangup is.

Jay

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Mon May 12 13:04:03 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <3EBFDA1B.4000201@netzero.net>
References: <3EBFDA1B.4000201@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 12:30:03PM -0500, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> How do I replace "/Foo/" with "/Bar/Foo/Moo/" in contents of files matching 
> a pattern (ex: *html) in a dir, recursively?
> 

untested:

find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's[/Foo/][/Bar/Foo/Moo/]g'

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From list at slushpupie.com  Mon May 12 13:07:02 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB DNS
In-Reply-To: <200305121246.17271.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305121047.43899.list@slushpupie.com> <000b01c3189f$9793d320$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200305121246.17271.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <200305121307.02043.list@slushpupie.com>

On Monday 12 May 2003 12:46 pm, Jay Kline wrote:
> On Monday 12 May 2003 11:00 am, David Phillips wrote:
> > You need to run tinydns on a different interface, such as localhost, and
> > have dnscache forward requests for those domains to it:
> >
> > echo 127.0.0.1 > /service/dnscache/root/servers/example.com
> >
> > This tells dnscache to use 127.0.0.1 as the authoritative server for
> > example.com.  Now setup tinydns on 127.0.0.1 to answer for that domain:
> >
> > http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html
>
> Yes, but does tinydns do recursive lookups? My understanding was that it
> did not, and that is where my hangup is.
>
> Jay

Nevermind.. I re-read that email and now your reply makes sence.  I think its 
time to join the "I hate mondays" club.

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From charon at netzero.net  Mon May 12 14:53:14 2003
From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <3EBFDA1B.4000201@netzero.net> <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <3EBFFBAA.2070101@netzero.net>

Thanks for setting me straight guys..
/me oughta get off his Application Support Specialist and learn perl


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From sjs at visi.com  Sun May 11 14:47:58 2003
From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <3EBEA8EE.5060109@visi.com>

Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Let me start by pointing out I am a retard
> Next....i am running slackware 9.0 and just installed blackbox and fluxbox from /extra and I don't know how to use them now....at first install kdm had and option for blackbox but in my infinite wisdom I got rid of all the choices except the ones I used at the time.....now I want to use blackbox and/or fluxbox and can do nothing but sit in the corner and cry
> 
> Dan

In Slackware, xwmconfig is your friend...


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From gsker at tcfreenet.org  Mon May 12 15:08:15 2003
From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org>

Isn't the exec argument workable?
What about
find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' \
-exec "perl -pi -e 's[/FOO/][/Bar/Foo/Moo]g' \"{}\""\;

Just pondering the uses of xargs .....

Personally, I use zsh which has recursive globbing built in:
cd  /path/to/dir
perl -pi -e 's%/FOO/%/Bar/Foo/Moo%g'  **/*.html


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On Mon, 12 May 2003, John J. Trammell wrote:

> On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 12:30:03PM -0500, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> > How do I replace "/Foo/" with "/Bar/Foo/Moo/" in contents of files matching
> > a pattern (ex: *html) in a dir, recursively?
> >
>
> untested:
>
> find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's[/Foo/][/Bar/Foo/Moo/]g'
>
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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Mon May 12 16:37:34 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFBB@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305121630130.16155-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

$0.99 isn't saving me that much if I want to buy a whole CD though. Still
$12-$15 for a full CD, but the CD didn't have to be made, the booklet
printed, everything put into a jewel case, then add in package theft
prevention, shrink wrap the whole thing, warehouse it. Ship it out to
vendor wearhous. Vendor wearhous ships to branch stores, branch stores add
more theft prevention, and shove it on shelves.

They cut out all that, and still change $0.99 a song? That's as big of not
bigger racket than eBooks, IMHO.

Yes my palm pilot still has six eBooks loaded on it.

But, is the bandwith and servers needed to do this really equal to the
costs of producing media and getting the media on to store shelves?

And only 128? :( (Not that I'd notice though the buuuuuzzzz produced my my
hardware anyway, but still!)

If I end up getting a Mac I might try it, but I'll still be wondering why
it is I'm bending over. Oh, easy access to my wallet? I that all? Hmmm...

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Mon May 12 16:41:02 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org>
References: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <20030512214102.GA23213@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 03:08:15PM -0500, Gerald Skerbitz wrote:
> Isn't the exec argument workable?
> What about
> find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' \
> -exec "perl -pi -e 's[/FOO/][/Bar/Foo/Moo]g' \"{}\""\;
> 
> Just pondering the uses of xargs .....
> 

Yeah, I've always hated -exec.  Thanks for reminding me why.  :-)

> Personally, I use zsh which has recursive globbing built in:
> cd  /path/to/dir
> perl -pi -e 's%/FOO/%/Bar/Foo/Moo%g'  **/*.html
> 

Sweet.

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May 12 16:46:35 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFCE@mail.temgweb.com>

Full albums are 9.90.  Even if it has 40 tracks on it.  :)

Plus, you have the benefit of buying a single track, instead of a CD with
one good track and 12 crappy ones that you'll never listen to.  I wish the
quality was a bit better, but I haven't heard any problems with it at
128kbps.  Maybe if I play it on a decent stereo.  I guess I'll find out when
I burn it to CD and play it in my car.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:38 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
> 
> 
> $0.99 isn't saving me that much if I want to buy a whole CD 
> though. Still
> $12-$15 for a full CD, but the CD didn't have to be made, the booklet
> printed, everything put into a jewel case, then add in package theft
> prevention, shrink wrap the whole thing, warehouse it. Ship it out to
> vendor wearhous. Vendor wearhous ships to branch stores, 
> branch stores add
> more theft prevention, and shove it on shelves.
> 
> They cut out all that, and still change $0.99 a song? That's 
> as big of not
> bigger racket than eBooks, IMHO.
> 
> Yes my palm pilot still has six eBooks loaded on it.
> 
> But, is the bandwith and servers needed to do this really equal to the
> costs of producing media and getting the media on to store shelves?
> 
> And only 128? :( (Not that I'd notice though the buuuuuzzzz 
> produced my my
> hardware anyway, but still!)
> 
> If I end up getting a Mac I might try it, but I'll still be 
> wondering why
> it is I'm bending over. Oh, easy access to my wallet? I that 
> all? Hmmm...
> 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org
> Linux is not an Operating System.
> 
> 
> 
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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Mon May 12 16:46:39 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61973@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [SMTP:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent:	Monday, May 12, 2003 4:38 PM
> To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
> 
> $0.99 isn't saving me that much if I want to buy a whole CD though. Still
> $12-$15 for a full CD, but the CD didn't have to be made, the booklet
> printed, everything put into a jewel case, then add in package theft
> prevention, shrink wrap the whole thing, warehouse it. Ship it out to
> vendor wearhous. Vendor wearhous ships to branch stores, branch stores add
> more theft prevention, and shove it on shelves.
> 
> They cut out all that, and still change $0.99 a song? That's as big of not
> bigger racket than eBooks, IMHO.
> 
> Yes my palm pilot still has six eBooks loaded on it.
> 
> But, is the bandwith and servers needed to do this really equal to the
> costs of producing media and getting the media on to store shelves?
> 
> And only 128? :( (Not that I'd notice though the buuuuuzzzz produced my my
> hardware anyway, but still!)
> 
> If I end up getting a Mac I might try it, but I'll still be wondering why
> it is I'm bending over. Oh, easy access to my wallet? I that all? Hmmm...
> 
> 
	Well, you get a CD of songs you like instead of 3 or 4 if you buy
the cd.  Now if your pirating mp3's via kaaza, then it isn't such a good
deal.

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May 12 16:59:33 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFCF@mail.temgweb.com>

> 	Well, you get a CD of songs you like instead of 3 or 4 
> if you buy
> the cd.  Now if your pirating mp3's via kaaza, then it isn't 
> such a good
> deal.

I can't seem to find anything I'm looking for Kazaa/LimeWire/etc.  And when
I do find something, it's generally of questionable quality.  So do I spend
30 minutes trying to find a song I want, or do I just shell out the damn 99
cents?  If I spend the time looking for it, and even if I made minimum wage,
I just spent over $2 worth of my time.  

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From blots at visi.com  Mon May 12 16:31:28 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305121630130.16155-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305121630130.16155-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <1052775088.2290.24.camel@lotsa>

On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 16:37, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
> $0.99 isn't saving me that much if I want to buy a whole CD though. Still
> $12-$15 for a full CD, but the CD didn't have to be made, the booklet
> printed, everything put into a jewel case, then add in package theft
> prevention, shrink wrap the whole thing, warehouse it. Ship it out to
> vendor wearhous. Vendor wearhous ships to branch stores, branch stores add
> more theft prevention, and shove it on shelves.

> But, is the bandwith and servers needed to do this really equal to the
> costs of producing media and getting the media on to store shelves?

Yes, Manufacturing and distributing a CD costs about the same as
manufacturing and distributing a candy bar. Candy companies still make
money selling for less than $1 per bar retail. I would be surprised if
the net is a less expensive form of distribution of recordings. 

The problem is the record companies have been way to greedy for way to
long. The artists don't get that much. The artists (along with the
record companies) will pay the price for the record companies greed. But
everyone will survive in the end. IMHO



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From tanner at real-time.com  Mon May 12 18:03:57 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFCF@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFCF@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <200305121803.57388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Monday 12 May 2003 04:59 pm, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > 	Well, you get a CD of songs you like instead of 3 or 4
> > if you buy
> > the cd.  Now if your pirating mp3's via kaaza, then it isn't
> > such a good
> > deal.
>
> I can't seem to find anything I'm looking for Kazaa/LimeWire/etc.  And when
> I do find something, it's generally of questionable quality.  So do I spend
> 30 minutes trying to find a song I want, or do I just shell out the damn 99
> cents?  If I spend the time looking for it, and even if I made minimum
> wage, I just spent over $2 worth of my time.

Will this itunes service work with non-itunes gear?


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From phil at rephil.org  Mon May 12 19:43:14 2003
From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
In-Reply-To: <20030512234001.11285.28371.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> 
References: <20030512234001.11285.28371.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030513004314.CAE2473D22@maynard.rephil.org>

> From: Tom Penney <blots@visi.com>

I start with one concrete point of disagreement, but really share your 
opinions on this one. 

> Yes, Manufacturing and distributing a CD costs about the same as
> manufacturing and distributing a candy bar. 

False.  The scale is probably an order of magnitude different.  A new candy 
bar will be *expected* to sell in the millions of units, whereas a million 
units of a recording is still a pretty good achievement.  The sentiment is 
right, just the numbers are off. 

A candy bar's costs can be amortized over a long period of time, whereas 
most recordings have a high "development" cost and little return. 

The economics of the business are further degraded by the speculative 
approach to A&R often taken these days, where a lot of money-losing titles 
in a labels catalog are subsidized by the one or two big money makers, like 
Christina Aguilera or whatever the current tramp-du-jour is. 

> The problem is the record companies have been way to greedy for way to
> long. 

True.  But this goes back to the 20's, when artists had to sing for each 
cylinder that was recorded.  They got caught using pantographs to record 
multiple cylinders while only paying the artist for only one performance! 

> The artists don't get that much. 

True.  It used to be that an artist got about $1 out of $8 for an LP.  When 
CD came out, the artist typically got about $1 out of $16.  Initially this 
was because CDs *did* cost more to produce that LPs, but when CD costs came 
down in the late 80's and early 90's, the artist share didn't change. 

> The artists (along with the
> record companies) will pay the price for the record companies greed. But
> everyone will survive in the end. IMHO

Agreed, but it is the consumer as well.  That discussion (A&R and trends in 
musical quality) is getting even further off topic than the rest of this 
thread, though. 

Anyway, .99 for a song is better than $15 for a song and bunch of bad ones, 
but heck -- I'm still having trouble finding one that's worth the dollar to 
begin with. ;) 

Phil Mendelsohn
Owner / Chief Engineer
Hotdish Mastering 

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From squack at mchsi.com  Mon May 12 20:01:17 2003
From: squack at mchsi.com (Squack)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] phpwiki Help
Message-ID: <1052787677.27086.37.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm stuck and could use some help! My Linux know how is kind of weak. So
be gentle. At this time I'm installing phpwiki on my Red Hat 7.3 server
running Apache-1.3.27-2 PHP-4.1.2-7.3.6 mySQL-3.23.56.73. Also istalled
pear php. At this time I haven't yet got it to work. The current error
i'm having now is:

Parse error: parse error, expecting `')'' in
/home/www/canus/phpwiki/index.php on line 202

Line 202 is my /tmp dir I did try a chmod apache on it but still no
luck. I seem to fix one thing and other errors pop up but this is where
i'm stuck. Please feel free to pick it to death! :) TIA

This is my index.php:


<?php // -*-php-*-

/*
Copyright 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 $ThePhpWikiProgrammingTeam = array(
"Steve Wainstead", "Clifford A. Adams", "Lawrence Akka", 
"Scott R. Anderson", "Jon ?slund", "Neil Brown", "Jeff Dairiki",
"St?phane Gourichon", "Jan Hidders", "Arno Hollosi", "John Jorgensen",
"Antti Kaihola", "Jeremie Kass", "Carsten Klapp", "Marco Milanesi",
"Grant Morgan", "Jan Nieuwenhuizen", "Aredridel Niothke", 
"Pablo Roca Rozas", "Sandino Araico S?nchez", "Joel Uckelman", 
"Reini Urban", "Tim Voght");

This file is part of PhpWiki.

PhpWiki is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.

PhpWiki is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with PhpWiki; if not, write to the Free Software
Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
*/


/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/*
  This is the starting file for PhpWiki. All this file does is set
  configuration options, and at the end of the file it includes() the
  file lib/main.php, where the real action begins.

  This file is divided into seven parts: Parts Zero, One, Two, Three,
  Four, Five and Six. Each one has different configuration settings you can
  change; in all cases the default should work on your system,
  however, we recommend you tailor things to your particular setting.
*/

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Part Zero: If PHP needs help in finding where you installed the
//   rest of the PhpWiki code, you can set the include_path here.

// NOTE: phpwiki uses the PEAR library of php code for SQL database
// access. Your PHP is probably already configured to set
// include_path so that PHP can find the pear code. If not (or if you
// change include_path here) make sure you include the path to the
// PEAR code in include_path. (To find the PEAR code on your system,
// search for a file named 'PEAR.php'. Some common locations are:
//
//   Unixish systems:
//     /usr/share/php
//     /usr/local/share/php
//   Mac OS X:
//     /System/Library/PHP
//
// The above examples are already included by PhpWiki. You shouldn't
// have to change this unless you see a WikiFatalError:
//
//     lib/FileFinder.php:82: Fatal[256]: DB.php: file not found
//
// Define the include path for this wiki: pear plus the phpwiki path
// $include_path = '.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/local/httpd/phpwiki';
//
// // Windows needs ';' as path delimiter. cygwin, mac and unix ':'
// if (substr(PHP_OS,0,3) == 'WIN') {
//     $include_path = implode(';',explode(':',$include_path));
// } elseif (substr(PHP_OS,0,6) == 'CYGWIN') {
//     $include_path = '.:/usr/local/lib/php/pear:/usr/src/php/phpwiki';
// } else {
//     ;
// }
if (!empty($include_path)) ini_set('/usr/share/pear', $include_path);
define ('DEBUG', 1);

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Part Null: Don't touch this!

define ('PHPWIKI_VERSION', '1.3.4');
require "lib/prepend.php";
rcs_id('$Id: index.php,v 1.99 2002/12/31 01:13:14 wainstead Exp $');

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part One:
// Authentication and security settings. See Part Three for more.
// 
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

// The name of your wiki.
// This is used to generate a keywords meta tag in the HTML templates,
// in bookmark titles for any bookmarks made to pages in your wiki,
// and during RSS generation for the <title> of the RSS channel.
if (!defined('WIKI_NAME')) define('WIKI_NAME', 'PhpWiki');

// If set, we will perform reverse dns lookups to try to convert the
// users IP number to a host name, even if the http server didn't do
// it for us.
define('ENABLE_REVERSE_DNS', true);

// Username and password of administrator.
// Set these to your preferences. For heaven's sake
// pick a good password or use our passwordencrypt.php tool.
if (!defined('ADMIN_USER')) define('ADMIN_USER', "root");
if (!defined('ADMIN_PASSWD')) define('ADMIN_PASSWD', "777777");
// If you used the passencrypt.php utility to encode the password
// then uncomment this line. Recommended!
//if (!defined('ENCRYPTED_PASSWD')) define('ENCRYPTED_PASSWD', true);

// If true, only the admin user can make zip dumps, else zip dumps
// require no authentication.
if (!defined('ZIPDUMP_AUTH')) define('ZIPDUMP_AUTH', false);

// Don't do this on a publicly accessable wiki for now.
if (!defined('ENABLE_RAW_HTML')) define('ENABLE_RAW_HTML', false);

// If you define this to true, (MIME-type) page-dumps (either zip dumps,
// or "dumps to directory" will be encoded using the quoted-printable
// encoding.  If you're actually thinking of mailing the raw page dumps,
// then this might be useful, since (among other things,) it ensures
// that all lines in the message body are under 80 characters in length.
//
// Also, setting this will cause a few additional mail headers
// to be generated, so that the resulting dumps are valid
// RFC 2822 e-mail messages.
//
// Probably, you can just leave this set to false, in which case you get
// raw ('binary' content-encoding) page dumps.
define('STRICT_MAILABLE_PAGEDUMPS', false);

// Here you can change the filename suffix used for XHTML page dumps.
// If you don't want any suffix just comment this out.
$HTML_DUMP_SUFFIX = '.html';

// The maximum file upload size.
define('MAX_UPLOAD_SIZE', 16 * 1024 * 1024);

// If the last edit is older than MINOR_EDIT_TIMEOUT seconds, the
// default state for the "minor edit" checkbox on the edit page form
// will be off.
define("MINOR_EDIT_TIMEOUT", 7 * 24 * 3600);

// Actions listed in this array will not be allowed.
//$DisabledActions = array('dumpserial', 'loadfile');

// PhpWiki can generate an access_log (in "NCSA combined log" format)
// for you. If you want one, define this to the name of the log file.
//define('ACCESS_LOG', '/tmp/wiki_access_log');

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Two:
// Database Selection
//
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

//
// This array holds the parameters which select the database to use.
//
// Not all of these parameters are used by any particular DB backend.
//
$DBParams = array(
   // Select the database type:
   // Choose ADODB or SQL to use an SQL database with ADODB or PEAR.
   // Choose dba to use one of the standard UNIX dbm libraries.
   //'dbtype' => 'ADODB',
   'dbtype' => 'SQL',
   //'dbtype'   => 'dba',
   
   // For SQL based backends, specify the database as a DSN
   // The most general form of a DSN looks like:
   //
   //   phptype(dbsyntax)://username:password@protocol+hostspec/database
   //
   // For a MySQL database, the following should work:
   //
     'mysql://user:password@localhost/phpwiki'
   //
   // FIXME: My version Pear::DB seems to be broken enough that there
   //        is no way to connect to a mysql server over a socket right now.
   //'dsn' => 'mysql://guest@:/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock/test',
   //'dsn' => 'mysql://root@localhost/phpwiki',
   //'dsn' => 'pgsql://localhost/test',

   // experimental
   //'db_session_table'   => 'session',
   
   // Used by all DB types:

   // prefix for filenames or table names
   /* 
    * currently you MUST EDIT THE SQL file too (in the schemas/
    * directory because we aren't doing on the fly sql generation
    * during the installation.
   */
   //'prefix' => 'phpwiki_',
   
   // Used only by 'dba'
   'directory'     => "/tmp",
   'dba_handler'   => 'gdbm',   // Either of 'gdbm' or 'db2' work great for me.
   //'dba_handler' => 'db2',
   //'dba_handler' => 'db3',    // Works fine on Windows, but not on every linux.
   //'dba_handler' => 'dbm',    // On sf.net redhat there's dbm and gdbm.
                                // dbm suffers from limits on size of data items?

   'timeout'   => 20,
   //'timeout' => 5
);

// Only for 'dbtype' => 'SQL'. See schemas/mysql.sql or schemas/psql.sql
//define('USE_DB_SESSION',true);

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// The next section controls how many old revisions of each page are
// kept in the database.
//
// There are two basic classes of revisions: major and minor. Which
// class a revision belongs in is determined by whether the author
// checked the "this is a minor revision" checkbox when they saved the
// page.
// 
// There is, additionally, a third class of revisions: author
// revisions. The most recent non-mergable revision from each distinct
// author is and author revision.
//
// The expiry parameters for each of those three classes of revisions
// can be adjusted seperately. For each class there are five
// parameters (usually, only two or three of the five are actually
// set) which control how long those revisions are kept in the
// database.
//
//   max_keep: If set, this specifies an absolute maximum for the
//             number of archived revisions of that class. This is
//             meant to be used as a safety cap when a non-zero
//             min_age is specified. It should be set relatively high,
//             and it's purpose is to prevent malicious or accidental
//             database overflow due to someone causing an
//             unreasonable number of edits in a short period of time.
//
//   min_age:  Revisions younger than this (based upon the supplanted
//             date) will be kept unless max_keep is exceeded. The age
//             should be specified in days. It should be a
//             non-negative, real number,
//
//   min_keep: At least this many revisions will be kept.
//
//   keep:     No more than this many revisions will be kept.
//
//   max_age:  No revision older than this age will be kept.
//
// Supplanted date: Revisions are timestamped at the instant that they
// cease being the current revision. Revision age is computed using
// this timestamp, not the edit time of the page.
//
// Merging: When a minor revision is deleted, if the preceding
// revision is by the same author, the minor revision is merged with
// the preceding revision before it is deleted. Essentially: this
// replaces the content (and supplanted timestamp) of the previous
// revision with the content after the merged minor edit, the rest of
// the page metadata for the preceding version (summary, mtime, ...)
// is not changed.
//
// Keep up to 8 major edits, but keep them no longer than a month.
$ExpireParams['major'] = array('max_age' => 32,
                               'keep'    => 8);
// Keep up to 4 minor edits, but keep them no longer than a week.
$ExpireParams['minor'] = array('max_age' => 7,
                               'keep'    => 4);
// Keep the latest contributions of the last 8 authors up to a year.
// Additionally, (in the case of a particularly active page) try to
// keep the latest contributions of all authors in the last week (even
// if there are more than eight of them,) but in no case keep more
// than twenty unique author revisions.
$ExpireParams['author'] = array('max_age'  => 365,
                                'keep'     => 8,
                                'min_age'  => 7,
                                'max_keep' => 20);

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Three: (optional)
// User Authentification
//
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

// The wiki can be protected by HTTP Auth. Use the username and password 
// from there, but this is not sufficient. Try the other methods also.
if (!defined('ALLOW_HTTP_AUTH_LOGIN')) define('ALLOW_HTTP_AUTH_LOGIN', false);

// If ALLOW_USER_LOGIN is true, any defined internal and external
// authentification method is tried. 
// If not, we don't care about passwords, but listen to the next 
// two constants.
if (!defined('ALLOW_USER_LOGIN')) define('ALLOW_USER_LOGIN', true); 

// If ALLOW_BOGO_LOGIN is true, users are allowed to login (with
// any/no password) using any userid which: 
//  1) is not the ADMIN_USER,
//  2) is a valid WikiWord (matches $WikiNameRegexp.)
// If true, users may be created by themselves. Otherwise we need seperate auth. 
// This might be renamed to ALLOW_SELF_REGISTRATION.
if (!defined('ALLOW_BOGO_LOGIN')) define('ALLOW_BOGO_LOGIN', true);

// This will go away, with true page permissions.
// If set, then if an anonymous user attempts to edit a page he will
// be required to sign in.  (If ALLOW_BOGO_LOGIN is true, of course,
// no password is required, but the user must still sign in under
// some sort of BogoUserId.)
if (!defined('REQUIRE_SIGNIN_BEFORE_EDIT')) define('REQUIRE_SIGNIN_BEFORE_EDIT', false);

// The login code now uses PHP's session support. Usually, the default
// configuration of PHP is to store the session state information in
// /tmp. That probably will work fine, but fails e.g. on clustered
// servers where each server has their own distinct /tmp (this is the
// case on SourceForge's project web server.) You can specify an
// alternate directory in which to store state information like so
// (whatever user your httpd runs as must have read/write permission
// in this directory):

//ini_set('session.save_path', 'some_other_directory');

// If your php was compiled with --enable-trans-sid it tries to
// add a PHPSESSID query argument to all URL strings when cookie
// support isn't detected in the client browser.  For reasons
// which aren't entirely clear (PHP bug) this screws up the URLs
// generated by PhpWiki.  Therefore, transparent session ids
// should be disabled.  This next line does that.
//
// (At the present time, you will not be able to log-in to PhpWiki,
// unless your browser supports cookies.)
@ini_set('session.use_trans_sid', 0);

// LDAP auth
if (!defined('ALLOW_LDAP_LOGIN')) define('ALLOW_LDAP_LOGIN', true and function_exists('ldap_connect'));
if (!defined('LDAP_AUTH_HOST'))   define('LDAP_AUTH_HOST', 'localhost');
// Give the right LDAP root search information in the next statement. 
if (!defined('LDAP_AUTH_SEARCH')) define('LDAP_AUTH_SEARCH', "ou=mycompany.com,o=My Company");

// IMAP auth: check userid/passwords from a imap server, defaults to localhost
if (!defined('ALLOW_IMAP_LOGIN')) define('ALLOW_IMAP_LOGIN', true and function_exists('imap_open'));
if (!defined('IMAP_AUTH_HOST'))   define('IMAP_AUTH_HOST', 'localhost');

// Sample of external AuthDB mysql tables to check against
/*
use phpwiki;
CREATE TABLE pref (
  userid char(48) binary NOT NULL UNIQUE,
  preferences text NULL default '',
  PRIMARY KEY (userid)
) TYPE=MyISAM;
INSERT INTO user VALUES ('ReiniUrban', 'a:1:{s:6:"passwd";s:13:"7cyrcMAh0grMI";}');

// or password only
CREATE TABLE user (
  userid char(48) binary NOT NULL UNIQUE,
  passwd char(48) binary default '*',
  PRIMARY KEY (userid)
) TYPE=MyISAM;

*/
// external mysql member table
/*
 CREATE TABLE member (
   user  char(48) NOT NULL,
   group char(48) NOT NULL default 'users',
   PRIMARY KEY (user),
   KEY groupname (groupname)
 ) TYPE=MyISAM;
 INSERT INTO member VALUES ('wikiadmin', 'root');
 INSERT INTO member VALUES ('TestUser', 'users');
*/

// 
// Seperate DB User Authentification. 
//   Can be external, like radius, phpnuke, courier authmysql,
//   apache auth_mysql or something else.
// The default is to store the data as metadata in WikiPages.
// The most likely dsn option is the same dsn as the wikipages.
$DBAuthParams = array(
   //'auth_dsn'         => 'mysql://localhost/phpwiki',

   // USER => PASSWORD
   'auth_check'  => 'SELECT passwd FROM user WHERE username="$userid"',
   // Alternatively we accept files also. (not yet)
   //'auth_user_file'  => '/etc/shadow', // '/etc/httpd/.htpasswd'

   'auth_crypt_method'  => 'crypt',     // 'crypt' (unix) or 'md5' (mysql) or just 'plain'
   // 'auth_crypt_method'  => 'md5',    // for 'mysql://localhost/mysql' users
   // 'auth_crypt_method'  => 'plain',

   // If 'auth_update' is not defined but 'auth_check' is defined, the user cannot 
   // change his password.
   // $password is processed  by the 'auth_crypt_method'.
   'auth_update'  => 'UPDATE user SET password="$password" WHERE username="$userid"',

   // USER => PREFERENCES
   //   This can be optionally defined in an external DB. 
   //   The default is the users homepage.
   //'pref_select' => 'SELECT pref from user WHERE username="$userid"',
   //'pref_update' => 'UPDATE user SET prefs="$pref_blob" WHERE username="$userid"',

   // USERS <=> GROUPS
   //   This can be optionally defined in an external DB. The default is a 
   //   special locked wikipage for groupmembers .(which?)
   // All members of the group:
   'group_members' => 'SELECT username FROM grouptable WHERE groupname="$group"',
   // All groups this user belongs to:
   'user_groups' => 'SELECT groupname FROM grouptable WHERE username="$userid"',
   // Alternatively we accept files also. (not yet)
   //'auth_group_file' => '/etc/groups', // '/etc/httpd/.htgroup'

   'dummy' => false,
);

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Four:
// Page appearance and layout
//
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

/* THEME
 *
 * Most of the page appearance is controlled by files in the theme
 * subdirectory.
 *
 * There are a number of pre-defined themes shipped with PhpWiki.
 * Or you may create your own (e.g. by copying and then modifying one of
 * stock themes.)
 *
 * Pick one.
 */
if (!defined('THEME')) {
// define('THEME', 'default');
define('THEME', 'Hawaiian');
//define('THEME', 'MacOSX');
//define('THEME', 'Portland');
//define('THEME', 'Sidebar');
//define('THEME', 'SpaceWiki');
}

// Select a valid charset name to be inserted into the xml/html pages,
// and to reference links to the stylesheets (css). For more info see:
// <http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets>. Note that PhpWiki
// has been extensively tested only with the latin1 (iso-8859-1)
// character set.
//
// If you change the default from iso-8859-1 PhpWiki may not work
// properly and it will require code modifications. However, character
// sets similar to iso-8859-1 may work with little or no modification
// depending on your setup. The database must also support the same
// charset, and of course the same is true for the web browser. (Some
// work is in progress hopefully to allow more flexibility in this
// area in the future).
define("CHARSET", "iso-8859-1");

// Select your language/locale - default language is "en" for English.
// Other languages available:
// English "en"  (English    - HomePage)
// Dutch   "nl" (Nederlands - ThuisPagina)
// Spanish "es" (Espa?ol    - P?ginaPrincipal)
// French  "fr" (Fran?ais   - Accueil)
// German  "de" (Deutsch    - StartSeite)
// Swedish "sv" (Svenska    - Framsida)
// Italian "it" (Italiano   - PaginaPrincipale)
//
// If you set $LANG to the empty string, your systems default language
// (as determined by the applicable environment variables) will be
// used.
//
define('DEFAULT_LANGUAGE', 'en');

/* WIKI_PGSRC -- specifies the source for the initial page contents of
 * the Wiki. The setting of WIKI_PGSRC only has effect when the wiki is
 * accessed for the first time (or after clearing the database.)
 * WIKI_PGSRC can either name a directory or a zip file. In either case
 * WIKI_PGSRC is scanned for files -- one file per page.
 */
if (!defined('WIKI_PGSRC')) define('WIKI_PGSRC', "pgsrc"); // Default (old) behavior.
//define('WIKI_PGSRC', 'wiki.zip'); // New style.
//define('WIKI_PGSRC', '../../../Logs/Hamwiki/hamwiki-20010830.zip'); // New style.

/*
 * DEFAULT_WIKI_PGSRC is only used when the language is *not* the
 * default (English) and when reading from a directory: in that case
 * some English pages are inserted into the wiki as well.
 * DEFAULT_WIKI_PGSRC defines where the English pages reside.
 */
// FIXME: is this really needed?  Can't we just copy these pages into
// the localized pgsrc?
define('DEFAULT_WIKI_PGSRC', "pgsrc");
// These are the pages which will get loaded from DEFAULT_WIKI_PGSRC.	
$GenericPages = array("ReleaseNotes", "SteveWainstead", "TestPage");

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Five:
// Mark-up options.
// 
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

// allowed protocols for links - be careful not to allow "javascript:"
// URL of these types will be automatically linked.
// within a named link [name|uri] one more protocol is defined: phpwiki
$AllowedProtocols = "http|https|mailto|ftp|news|nntp|ssh|gopher";

// URLs ending with the following extension should be inlined as images
$InlineImages = "png|jpg|gif";

// Perl regexp for WikiNames ("bumpy words")
// (?<!..) & (?!...) used instead of '\b' because \b matches '_' as well
$WikiNameRegexp = "(?<![[:alnum:]])(?:[[:upper:]][[:lower:]]+){2,}(?![[:alnum:]])";

// Defaults to '/', but '.' was also used.
if (!defined('SUBPAGE_SEPARATOR')) define('SUBPAGE_SEPARATOR', '/');

// InterWiki linking -- wiki-style links to other wikis on the web
//
// The map will be taken from a page name InterWikiMap.
// If that page is not found (or is not locked), or map
// data can not be found in it, then the file specified
// by INTERWIKI_MAP_FILE (if any) will be used.
define('INTERWIKI_MAP_FILE', "lib/interwiki.map");

// Display a warning if the internal lib/interwiki.map is used, and 
// not the public InterWikiMap page. This map is not readable from outside.
//define('WARN_NONPUBLIC_INTERWIKIMAP', false);

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Six:
// URL options -- you can probably skip this section.
//
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/******************************************************************
 *
 * The following section contains settings which you can use to tailor
 * the URLs which PhpWiki generates.
 *
 * Any of these parameters which are left undefined will be deduced
 * automatically. You need only set them explicitly if the
 * auto-detected values prove to be incorrect.
 *
 * In most cases the auto-detected values should work fine, so
 * hopefully you don't need to mess with this section.
 *
 * In case of local overrides of short placeholders, which themselves 
 * include index.php, we check for most constants. See '/wiki'.
 * We can override DATA_PATH and PHPWIKI_DIR to support multiple phpwiki 
 * versions (for development), but most likely other values like 
 * THEME, $LANG and $DbParams for a WikiFarm.
 *
 ******************************************************************/

/*
 * Canonical name and httpd port of the server on which this PhpWiki
 * resides.
 */
if (!defined('SERVER_NAME')) define('SERVER_NAME', 'cannonfalls.us');
define('SERVER_PORT', 80);

/*
 * Relative URL (from the server root) of the PhpWiki
 * script.
 */
if (!defined('SCRIPT_NAME')) define('SCRIPT_NAME', '/home/www/canus/phpwiki/index.php');

/*
 * URL of the PhpWiki install directory.  (You only need to set this
 * if you've moved index.php out of the install directory.)  This can
 * be either a relative URL (from the directory where the top-level
 * PhpWiki script is) or an absolute one.
 */
//if (!defined('DATA_PATH')) define('DATA_PATH', '/home/user/phpwiki');

/*
 * Path to the PhpWiki install directory.  This is the local
 * filesystem counterpart to DATA_PATH.  (If you have to set
 * DATA_PATH, your probably have to set this as well.)  This can be
 * either an absolute path, or a relative path interpreted from the
 * directory where the top-level PhpWiki script (normally index.php)
 * resides.
 */
//if (!defined('PHPWIKI_DIR')) define('PHPWIKI_DIR', 'C:/Apache/phpwiki');
//if (!defined('PHPWIKI_DIR')) define('PHPWIKI_DIR', '/home/user/public_html/phpwiki');

/*
 * Define to false to NOT use PATH_INFO to pass the pagename's.
 * e.g. the old http://www.some.where/index.php?pagename=HomePage
 * instead of http://www.some.where/index.php/HomePage
 * or even better http://www.some.where/wiki/HomePage
 *
 * FIXME: more docs (maybe in README).
 * Default: true
 */
//if (!defined('USE_PATH_INFO')) define('USE_PATH_INFO', false);

/*
 * VIRTUAL_PATH is the canonical URL path under which your your wiki
 * appears. Normally this is the same as dirname(SCRIPT_NAME), however
 * using, e.g. apaches mod_actions (or mod_rewrite), you can make it
 * something different.
 *
 * If you do this, you should set VIRTUAL_PATH here.
 *
 * E.g. your phpwiki might be installed at at /scripts/phpwiki/index.php,
 * but  * you've made it accessible through eg. /wiki/HomePage.
 *
 * One way to do this is to create a directory named 'wiki' in your
 * server root. The directory contains only one file: an .htaccess
 * file which reads something like:
 *
 *    Action x-phpwiki-page /scripts/phpwiki/index.php
 *    SetHandler x-phpwiki-page
 *    DirectoryIndex /scripts/phpwiki/index.php
 *
 * In that case you should set VIRTUAL_PATH to '/wiki'.
 *
 * (VIRTUAL_PATH is only used if USE_PATH_INFO is true.)
 */
//if (!defined('VIRTUAL_PATH')) define('VIRTUAL_PATH', '/SomeWiki');

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// Part Seven:
// Miscellaneous settings
//
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

/*
 * Page name of RecentChanges page.  Used for RSS Auto-discovery
 */
 
if (!defined('RECENT_CHANGES')) define ('RECENT_CHANGES', 'RecentChanges');



////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Check if we were included by some other wiki version 
// (getimg.php, en, de, wiki, ...) or not. 
// If the server requested this index.php fire up the code by loading lib/main.php.
// Parallel wiki scripts can now simply include /index.php for the 
// main configuration, extend or redefine some settings and 
// load lib/main.php by themselves. See the file 'wiki'.
// This overcomes the IndexAsConfigProblem.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

// Tested: Works with CGI also.
if (defined('VIRTUAL_PATH') and defined('USE_PATH_INFO')) {
    if ($HTTP_SERVER_VARS['SCRIPT_NAME'] == VIRTUAL_PATH) {
        include "lib/main.php";
    }
} else {
    if (defined('SCRIPT_NAME') and 
        ($HTTP_SERVER_VARS['SCRIPT_NAME'] == SCRIPT_NAME)) {
        include "lib/main.php";
    } elseif (strstr($HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_SELF'],'index.php')) {
        include "lib/main.php";
    }
}

// (c-file-style: "gnu")
// Local Variables:
// mode: php
// tab-width: 8
// c-basic-offset: 4
// c-hanging-comment-ender-p: nil
// indent-tabs-mode: nil
// End:   
?>
-- 
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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Mon May 12 20:44:44 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan@sodatrain.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bash file manipulation commands
Message-ID: <1115.65.30.241.146.1052790284.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com>

Hello list-

I need to tie a php script into some comand line stuff.

I have some log files that I am working with, and need to manipulate them.
 Do you have any suggestions on the best ways to:

1) Truncate a log file to a specific number of lines so that lines from
the beginning of the file are deleted until the specified number of lines
remain.

2) Split a log file into 2 files so that a certain number of lines are
removed from the primary file and dumped into a secondary file

Thank you-

duncan

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From david at acz.org  Mon May 12 21:05:53 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bash file manipulation commands
References: <1115.65.30.241.146.1052790284.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <006001c318f4$2eaf19a0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

duncan@sodatrain.com writes:
> 1) Truncate a log file to a specific number of lines so that lines
> from the beginning of the file are deleted until the specified number
> of lines remain.

tail -nLINES logfile > tmp && mv tmp logfile

> 2) Split a log file into 2 files so that a certain number of lines are
> removed from the primary file and dumped into a secondary file

split -nLINES logfile tmp && mv tmpaa old && mv tmpab logfile

-- 
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From david at acz.org  Mon May 12 21:33:47 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] bash file manipulation commands
References: <1115.65.30.241.146.1052790284.squirrel@webmail.sodatrain.com> <006001c318f4$2eaf19a0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <000601c318f8$154ade50$0201a8c0@brinstar>

David Phillips writes:
>> 2) Split a log file into 2 files so that a certain number of lines
>> are removed from the primary file and dumped into a secondary file
>
> split -nLINES logfile tmp && mv tmpaa old && mv tmpab logfile

Oops, this only works if LINES is no less than half the number of lines in
logfile (and it's -l not -n).  For smaller numbers, try this:

NUM=$(wc -l logfile | awk '{print $1}')
head -nLINES logfile > old && \
tail -n$(echo "$NUM - LINES" | bc) logfile > tmp && \
mv tmp logfile

-- 
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From david.blevins at visi.com  Mon May 12 22:47:02 2003
From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org>
References: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <20030513034702.GA29281@isis.visi.com>

You don't need the quotes on the -exec (at least I've never used them):

 find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' \
 -exec perl -pi -e 's[/FOO/][/Bar/Foo/Moo]g' {} \;

I'm amazed at the file globbing.  Not being a zsh user, this is news to 
me.  What other little gems does zsh offer?

-David

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 03:08:15PM -0500, Gerald Skerbitz wrote:
> Isn't the exec argument workable?
> What about
> find /path/to/dir/ -name '*.html' \
> -exec "perl -pi -e 's[/FOO/][/Bar/Foo/Moo]g' \"{}\""\;
> 
> Just pondering the uses of xargs .....
> 
> Personally, I use zsh which has recursive globbing built in:
> cd  /path/to/dir
> perl -pi -e 's%/FOO/%/Bar/Foo/Moo%g'  **/*.html
> 
> 

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From kremer at ringworld.org  Mon May 12 23:23:36 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
In-Reply-To: <200305121803.57388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFCF@mail.temgweb.com>
	 <200305121803.57388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1052799815.1712.27.camel@kremer>

On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 18:03, Bob Tanner wrote:
Will this itunes service work with non-itunes gear?

I find myself asking the same question.  
Of course, they don't have much to satisfy my tastes yet.  Out of
curiosity, I just asked a friend to look for 11 bands that I like and he
didn't find a single one on there.  
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to stick to my old methods of getting
the CD, getting higher quality audio, and getting to read the insert and
look at the artwork... (gotta convince myself I'm paying for SOMETHING
extra, right?)

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From ben_b at ppdonline.com  Tue May 13 09:32:19 2003
From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] spam assasin
Message-ID: <3EC101F3.4429C8F5@ppdonline.com>

Hello,
I'm starting to get a lot more spam lately and am looking at spam
assasin as a possible remedy.  I have a couple questions...

Will spam assasin run under FreeBSD 4.4?

Do I need to be root to install it (the server I want to run it on is a
virtual server account at an ISP, I have a lot of permission but I'm not
root)?

Will it filter email destined to be redirected by a sendmail alias?

Thanks,
Ben.

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From adamm at sihope.com  Tue May 13 09:36:00 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] spam assasin
In-Reply-To: <3EC101F3.4429C8F5@ppdonline.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305130929570.575-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

> Will spam assasin run under FreeBSD 4.4?

Heretic! :)

We are using it under 4-Stable and it works fine.  In fact, I think it's a
port.

> Do I need to be root to install it (the server I want to run it on is a
> virtual server account at an ISP, I have a lot of permission but I'm not
> root)?

You can install it into your own directory, and have it run as you.  I
think SA has docs on how to do this, and your next question.
> 
> Will it filter email destined to be redirected by a sendmail alias?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben.
> 
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From mjn at umn.edu  Tue May 13 09:38:24 2003
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat and mod_ssl...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305130933450.25127-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I am using the UofM's mod_cookieauth Apache module and applying a bunch of
errrata apache no longer starts when the mod_cookieauth stuff is being
loaded. in talking with the creator of it, it seems that the MM library
support is missing from mod_ssl. I am getting this error when I try and
start apache with mod_cookieauth loading:

[Tue May 13 08:24:21 2003] [crit] Cannot allocate shared memory (file
logs/cookieauth.cache): mm:core: failed to open semaphore file (No such
file or directory)

But I have been unable to figure out how to reinstall the RPM and get MM
support configured when doing so. I have tried `rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs'
but that seems not to have changed a thing...how do i get the MM support
back into mod_ssl?

I am sure it is simple and I probably just haven't read enough...:) Thanks
for any help you can provide!

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 13 11:18:18 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest
Message-ID: <20030513111818.18c82ac3.sfertch@real-time.com>

  Semi-stupid question, but I can't remember the syntax for Xnest to connect to another system.

I thought it was:
 
Xnest -name <servername> -display:<servername>:1 -geometry 800x600

It's been about 2 years since I've used it, and the manpage wasn't too helpful.


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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue May 13 11:35:59 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest
In-Reply-To: <20030513111818.18c82ac3.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131135220.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

Xnest -query remote.xserver.net -other-options

I think...it's been awile since I've used it too.

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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 13 11:43:32 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131135220.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131135220.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <200305131143.32136.list@slushpupie.com>

You need to specify what display number, since the default (:0) is generally 
already taken.   

Xnest :1 -query somplace.net -other-options

The syntax should be pretty much the same as a regular X server, with the 
exception of being able to specify which display to show up on.

Jay

On Tuesday 13 May 2003 11:35 am, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
> Xnest -query remote.xserver.net -other-options
>
> I think...it's been awile since I've used it too.
>
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org
> Linux is not an Operating System.
>
>
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From dndalitz at earthlink.net  Tue May 13 11:52:45 2003
From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] phpwiki Help
References: <1052787677.27086.37.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <003401c31970$143f4c30$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com>

On line 180 you forgot the array index  and assignment operator.  It should
be:

'dsn' => 'mysql://user:password@localhost/phpwiki/',

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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] phpwiki Help


> I'm stuck and could use some help! My Linux know how is kind of weak. So
> be gentle. At this time I'm installing phpwiki on my Red Hat 7.3 server
> running Apache-1.3.27-2 PHP-4.1.2-7.3.6 mySQL-3.23.56.73. Also istalled
> pear php. At this time I haven't yet got it to work. The current error
> i'm having now is:
>
> Parse error: parse error, expecting `')'' in
> /home/www/canus/phpwiki/index.php on line 202
>
> Line 202 is my /tmp dir I did try a chmod apache on it but still no
> luck. I seem to fix one thing and other errors pop up but this is where
> i'm stuck. Please feel free to pick it to death! :) TIA


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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 13 11:57:35 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest
In-Reply-To: <200305131143.32136.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131135220.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
	<200305131143.32136.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <20030513115735.2e03bb93.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:32 -0500
Jay Kline <list@slushpupie.com> wrote:

> You need to specify what display number, since the default (:0) is
> generally already taken.   
> 
> Xnest :1 -query somplace.net -other-options
> 
> The syntax should be pretty much the same as a regular X server, with
> the exception of being able to specify which display to show up on.
> 
> 
Thanks, that worked.  I had the display and query options messed up and forgotten.  Trying to debug a CDE issue on a Tru64 system...


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From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com  Tue May 13 12:05:13 2003
From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
Message-ID: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>

I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32 software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved). Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they log in they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions? My apologies, I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge base here is stronger that my other lists :)

-Nick "I hate Post-it Notes" Stolley

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Tue May 13 12:14:24 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030513171424.GP19586@autonomous.tv>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:05:13PM -0400, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote:
>i'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but win32 software that is a local-computer e-mail system (no network involved). basically, i want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they log in they get any messages i need to pass to them. any suggestions? my apologies, i know it's windows based, but i think the knowledge base here is stronger that my other lists :)
>
>-nick "i hate post-it notes" stolley

Post-It notes are free and work just as you need :) 
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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Tue May 13 12:42:14 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <20030513171424.GP19586@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131241440.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

| Post-It notes are free and work just as you need :)

And require no user training!

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From dndalitz at earthlink.net  Tue May 13 12:48:15 2003
From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01c31977$d53ad0b0$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com>

e-mail without a network?  You mean a central server or Internet connection?
Pegasus mail (http://www.pmail.com/) is a free POP mail solution, but it
does use a central server.  It can work stand alone as an internal email
system or with a gateway to the Internet.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software


> I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32
software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved).
Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they log in
they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions? My apologies,
I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge base here is stronger
that my other lists :)
>
> -Nick "I hate Post-it Notes" Stolley
>
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From kremer at ringworld.org  Tue May 13 13:14:47 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1052849687.5629.3.camel@kremer>

It sounds to me like something simpler than a local mail system would be
a MOTD.  It seems like there should be one built into windows (since I
see one every day at work) but I don't know what they call that...
I did find this, though:  http://www.puzlebox.co.uk/motd.shtml

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 12:05, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote:
> I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32 software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved). Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they log in they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions? My apologies, I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge base here is stronger that my other lists :)
> 
> -Nick "I hate Post-it Notes" Stolley
> 
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From kremer at ringworld.org  Tue May 13 13:20:39 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131241440.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131241440.1976-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <1052850039.5630.9.camel@kremer>

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 12:42, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
> | Post-It notes are free and work just as you need :)
> 
> And require no user training!

Says who?  You obviously haven't ever met some of my co-workers...
"Oh, shoot! I didn't even see that there!"

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 13 13:20:39 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030513132039.3ec8d769.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Tue, 13 May 2003 13:05:13 -0400
AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote:

> I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32
> software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved).
> Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they
> log in they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions?
> My apologies, I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge
> base here is stronger that my other lists :)
> 
If it's a windows domain that they are logging into, you can setup and execute scripts on a per login basis.  Not certain if that would fit what you want, but might be a step.  Could also look into the windows pop-up(talk).

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From pcdoc at snapreporter.com  Tue May 13 13:34:29 2003
From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305131331040.9728-100000@linux.inhouse.com>

Try this:

http://www.wozworks.com/intracom.php

Simple program, doen't do much, but it's a good starting place.

I've developed it in VB and have not yet posted source code, but can
probably email it to you if I can find it and you want it.

-Joe

On Tue, 13 May 2003 AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote:

> I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32 software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved). Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they log in they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions? My apologies, I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge base here is stronger that my other lists :)
>
> -Nick "I hate Post-it Notes" Stolley
>
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From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com  Tue May 13 13:42:11 2003
From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
Message-ID: <7191EC51.6B5C419E.09BD8409@aol.com>

Ok, A refinement of my requirements. I don't like the current way of letting my employees know about changes in procedures, etc. Basically, it's a book of memos where they initial it when they read it. You see, I hardly talk to my employees... There's usually only one person working in the shop at a time, and overlap is minimal.

I want a messaging system, very similar to e-mail, but without a network of any sort. Any one of us can "log on" (as in, we have their own username and password), select who we want to send a message to, type it up and hit send. When another employee gets to work, they can "log on" and check their e-mail. We are all "logging on" to the same computer. And it will always be that way. There's no need for network messaging.

When I was a teenager, I worked at a Holiday gas station with this type of setup, but it was integrated into their administration software. They didn't have any kind of network, just a single computer that we all used for administrative duties (including clocking in and out).

I hope that clears up what I'm looking for, and I'm REALLY hoping someone can help me out. Thanks for the respones already.

-Nick

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From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com  Tue May 13 13:47:34 2003
From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
Message-ID: <14054A15.35F2D2DB.09BD8409@aol.com>

http://www.wozworks.com/intracom.php

Perfect!!! Other suggestions are appreciated, but this is exactly what I was looking for!

-Nick

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 13 13:59:30 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFD5@mail.temgweb.com>

> curiosity, I just asked a friend to look for 11 bands that I 
> like and he
> didn't find a single one on there.  

They only have about 200,000 songs on it now, but are saying they are going
to add a ton more soon.  There's a rumor flying around that they are trying
to buy Universal Music for $6 billion.  If they have the rights to all of
Universal's library, that will likely bring in a pretty penny for Apple.
There were a couple of things I was looking for that I didn't find on there
(Zero 7, Blue Six, the first Portishead album, etc).  But, it's not very
mainstream stuff either.  

It seems to me that Apple has just positioned itself to become a major
record label on their own.  They have the means to distribute anything they
want, and they don't have to worry about print and distribution costs at
all.  It would be interesting to see them come out with a service similar to
Amazon's self-publishing service, where independent artists could upload
their tracks, and take a cut of whatever gets sold.  

Someone asked if it worked with non-iTunes software.  Nope.  At least not
yet.  I can't imagine it would be too hard to reverse engineer it and come
out with a program for linux that would interface with the site.  It's
simply HTML inside of a frame in iTunes.  You'd need to somehow interface it
with an audio player that could play AAC files that have DRM though.  The
DRM is fairly unrestrictive.  Basically, the only thing iTunes won't let you
do is convert it to another format directly.  You can burn it to CD if you
want and re-rip your burned CD.  Converting compressed audio is just a bad
idea anyway, but the only portable player that will play the files is the
iPod.  Speaking of which, the new iPod is sweet.  It's smaller than the old
version, and has an all touch interface, no moving buttons.

Jay

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Tue May 13 14:15:57 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61984@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Austad, Jay [SMTP:JAustad@temgweb.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:00 PM
> To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject:	RE: [TCLUG] iTunes music service
> 
> > curiosity, I just asked a friend to look for 11 bands that I 
> > like and he
> > didn't find a single one on there.  
> 
> They only have about 200,000 songs on it now, but are saying they are
> going
> to add a ton more soon.  There's a rumor flying around that they are
> trying
> to buy Universal Music for $6 billion.  If they have the rights to all of
> Universal's library, that will likely bring in a pretty penny for Apple.
> There were a couple of things I was looking for that I didn't find on
> there
> (Zero 7, Blue Six, the first Portishead album, etc).  But, it's not very
> mainstream stuff either.  
> 
> It seems to me that Apple has just positioned itself to become a major
> record label on their own.  They have the means to distribute anything
> they
> want, and they don't have to worry about print and distribution costs at
> all.  It would be interesting to see them come out with a service similar
> to
> Amazon's self-publishing service, where independent artists could upload
> their tracks, and take a cut of whatever gets sold.  
> 
	What gives them an advantage over say Microsoft here?  I mean
Microsoft could do the same and leverage there home entertainment XP line.
--Just a thought.

> Someone asked if it worked with non-iTunes software.  Nope.  At least not
> yet.  I can't imagine it would be too hard to reverse engineer it and come
> out with a program for linux that would interface with the site.  It's
> simply HTML inside of a frame in iTunes.  You'd need to somehow interface
> it
> with an audio player that could play AAC files that have DRM though.  The
> DRM is fairly unrestrictive.  Basically, the only thing iTunes won't let
> you
> do is convert it to another format directly.  You can burn it to CD if you
> want and re-rip your burned CD.  Converting compressed audio is just a bad
> idea anyway, but the only portable player that will play the files is the
> iPod.  Speaking of which, the new iPod is sweet.  It's smaller than the
> old
> version, and has an all touch interface, no moving buttons.
> 
> Jay
> 
	I think Apple is making a windows version, perhaps they will make a
linux version



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From wilson at visi.com  Tue May 13 14:21:13 2003
From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RJ45 on Cat3
Message-ID: <200305131421.13271.wilson@visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I'm going to be connecting a bunch of wires in the next few days and I wanted 
to double-check something about using Cat5 for POT connections. I'm going to 
use my standard patch panel for making regular network ports into phone 
connections whenever I need one. I plan to use some Cat3 that I will connect 
from my 66 block and put an RJ45 connector on it so I can connect it to the 
patch panel.
 
Does anyone know which wires go where if I want to crimp an RJ45 connector 
onto a Cat3

Does anyone have a suggestion for a better method?

-Tim

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Tue May 13 15:26:15 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RJ45 on Cat3
In-Reply-To: <200305131421.13271.wilson@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305131516440.7708-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Tue, 13 May 2003, Tim Wilson wrote:

> Does anyone know which wires go where if I want to crimp an RJ45 connector 
> onto a Cat3

I don't remember the exact colors, but IIRC Cat3 is 2 pair cabling
with orange, orange/white, blue, and blue/white conductors.  It
uses USOC, which basically means:

12344321
||||||||

On an RJ45 connector.  If you have orange, orange/white, blue, and
blue/white, you wire orange/white to pin 3, blue/white to pin 4, blue to
pin 5, and orange to pin 6.

Btw, I applaud you for using RJ45 plugs for this.  Most people try to use
Rj11, and while it works, it will most likely bend pins 1 and 8 of your
patch panel into oblivion.  

This should work for you, I don't think I swapped tip and ring.  Btw, I
recommend buying a phone line tester.  I found a little unit for $5 that
has an RJ11 on one end and an LED on the other.  It quickly tells you
good, bad, or reverse wiring.

-Brian



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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 13 16:09:58 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
Message-ID: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>

On a server I admin there is a custom application that likes to consume large 
ammounts of memory.  Apparently, there are no checks within the application 
when it allocates memory because it seems to kill the box occationally. the 
kernel logger says it ran out of memory, then eventully the box stops 
responding, except to pings.  I need some suggestions for this, we cant throw 
more memory at the box, but that wont solve the problem (this app WILL 
consume anything you give it).  I know there must be some way to limit a 
process's memory usage- at least enough to protect the kernel better.  We 
have like 6 gig's of swap partitions thrown at it right now, but I am fairly 
certain that it dosnt use much, if any, of it. I know its almost a flame war, 
but in the situation where you have one app consuming most of the memory, 
what is the best setup with swap?

Jay

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May 13 16:21:05 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <20030513212105.GC940@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:09:58PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote:
> On a server I admin there is a custom application that likes to consume large 
> ammounts of memory.  Apparently, there are no checks within the application 
> when it allocates memory because it seems to kill the box occationally. the 
> kernel logger says it ran out of memory, then eventully the box stops 
> responding, except to pings.  I need some suggestions for this, we cant throw 
> more memory at the box, but that wont solve the problem (this app WILL 
> consume anything you give it).  I know there must be some way to limit a 
> process's memory usage- at least enough to protect the kernel better.  We 
> have like 6 gig's of swap partitions thrown at it right now, but I am fairly 
> certain that it dosnt use much, if any, of it. I know its almost a flame war, 
> but in the situation where you have one app consuming most of the memory, 
> what is the best setup with swap?

$LINUX_SRC/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting.

It works on 2.5.x, AC kernels, and RHAS.

florin

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May 13 16:30:17 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:09:58PM -0500
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <20030513163017.A18890@thinkunix.net>

I'm not sure how to limit the amount of memory a process can grab.  In
regards to your questions on swap:

In my last job, we had a Java app that was memory hungry.  We had Intel
x86 based server machines with 4GB physical RAM and actually ran with
swap turned off.  Something to do with Intel architecture only being
able to address 4GB of memory and if you had swap enabled, the amount of
swap space was subtracted from the total addressable memory.

Kernel tuning is always a black art.  this link might be a good start:
http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org/general/kerneltuning.html

Jay Kline wrote:
> On a server I admin there is a custom application that likes to consume large 
> ammounts of memory.  Apparently, there are no checks within the application 
> when it allocates memory because it seems to kill the box occationally.

> I know its almost a flame war, 
> but in the situation where you have one app consuming most of the memory, 
> what is the best setup with swap?
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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 13 16:31:35 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <20030513212105.GC940@iucha.net>
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com> <20030513212105.GC940@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <200305131631.35856.list@slushpupie.com>

Kernel recompile is not in the near future on these boxes, I am afraid. 
Currently running RedHat's 2.4.7-10. Though a quick look through /proc/sys/vm 
shows an overcommit_memory so I wonder if that is related somehow.  I dont 
see anything listed in the docs, though....

Jay

On Tuesday 13 May 2003 04:21 pm, Florin Iucha wrote:
> $LINUX_SRC/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting.
>
> It works on 2.5.x, AC kernels, and RHAS.
>
> florin

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue May 13 16:27:19 2003
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <20030513212719.GB349@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:09:58PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote:
> give it).  I know there must be some way to limit a process's memory
> usage- at least enough to protect the kernel better.

Use limit. ;-)  Create a system user account and a dedicated group for
the application.  Use the group or user to limit the system resources
through pam_limits.so.  The configuration file for pam_limits.so is
found in /etc/security/limits.conf.  The syntax is fairly straight
forward, and you should fine reference to it fairly easily with your
distribution.

To use pam_limits.so, add it to the service file found in /etc/pam.d.
For example, if this application is being called via ssh from some
remote machine.  Add the following line to /etc/pam.d/ssh:

    session required    pam_limits.so

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From chrome at real-time.com  Tue May 13 16:50:36 2003
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
Message-ID: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>

florin's .sig reads:
                                                                                                         
"NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."               


now is that a linear particle accellerator, or a toroidal particle
accellerator? :)


Carl Soderstrom.
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue May 13 16:54:32 2003
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
In-Reply-To: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
References: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030513215432.GE1920@sherohman.org>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:50:36PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> florin's .sig reads:
>                                                                                                          
> "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."               

And here I saw "NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator" and assumed you
wer going to be talking about a perl module.

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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Tue May 13 17:04:30 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:34 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
Message-ID: <sec125b9.017@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

That would be:

NT::UNIX::Donut::ParticleAccellerator

Now, what would you use it for?

>>> esper@sherohman.org 05/13/03 04:54PM >>>
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:50:36PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> florin's .sig reads:
>                                                                         
                                
> "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."           
   

And here I saw "NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator" and assumed you
wer going to be talking about a perl module.


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From chrome at real-time.com  Tue May 13 17:09:58 2003
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
In-Reply-To: <3EBEA8EE.5060109@visi.com>; from sjs@visi.com on Sun, May 11, 2003 at 02:47:58PM -0500
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3528@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3EBEA8EE.5060109@visi.com>
Message-ID: <20030513170958.K26148@real-time.com>

 Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Let me start by pointing out I am a retard
> Next....i am running slackware 9.0 and just installed blackbox and fluxbox
> from /extra and I don't know how to use them now....at first install kdm
> had and option for blackbox but in my infinite wisdom I got rid of all the
> choices except the ones I used at the time.....now I want to use blackbox
> and/or fluxbox and can do nothing but sit in the corner and cry

config your system to not start the GUI by default (either by changing your
default runlevel in /etc/inittab; or by turning off the init script that
starts xdm/kdm/gdm). I don't remember how Slackware sets this up by default.

log in at the console

edit your .xinitrc file (in your home directory. it probably doesn't exist
yet).

add a line that says 'fluxbox' (or blackbox).

type 'startx'

it should now start up the GUI with fluxbox running. when you exit out of
fluxbox, it will return you to the console.


here's what's happening:
'startx' is a script that runs X (becoming root in the process), and X reads
in your .xinitrc file. the .xinitrc file is read and executed one line at a
time. if a command in the .xinitrc file doesn't return; X will just stay at
that point until the command exits and returns control to the startx
process.
generally, one puts the window manager as the last command to be run; so
that when the wm exits, X exits as well (since there are no more commands to
be run).
if you want to start up some xterms or other applications; put a line for
each of them before the final application, and append an '&' at the end of
the line so they get spawned off into the background. this is also a good
way to pass them geometry arguments so they always launch with the right
shape and location.

here's my .xinitrc for example:
xset -dpms &
/usr/local/bin/imwheel -k 
xscreensaver -no-splash &
xterm -fg white -bg black -geometry 82x10+2242+0 +sb -title Top -e top &
xterm -fg white -bg black -geometry 168x16+0+0 +sb -title Swatch -e
/home/chrome/startswatch &
xterm -fg white -bg black -geometry 105x72+0+224 +sb -title Mail &
xload -bg black -fg green -update 5 -nolabel -geometry 100x100+1073+0 &
xclock -brief -digital -chime -padding 1 -geometry +1025+0 &
gkrellm &
if [ -x /usr/bin/fvwm2 ]; then
        /usr/bin/fvwm2
elif [ -x /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 ]; then
        /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2
else 
        fvwm2
fi

(and yes, I'm running two monitors, so that's why I'm pushing some windows
1000-2000 pixels to the right).

Carl Soderstrom.
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From chrome at real-time.com  Tue May 13 17:27:11 2003
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
In-Reply-To: <sec125b9.017@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:04:30PM -0500
References: <sec125b9.017@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20030513172711.A3692@real-time.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> That would be:
> 
> NT::UNIX::Donut::ParticleAccellerator
> 
> Now, what would you use it for?

invoking Discordia? :)

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Tue May 13 17:28:08 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
In-Reply-To: <sec125b9.017@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
References: <sec125b9.017@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20030513222808.GA2673@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> That would be:
> 
> NT::UNIX::Donut::ParticleAccellerator
> 
> Now, what would you use it for?
> 

[creeping horrors]

I used to work on Fermilab Experiment #872, "Direct Observation
of Nu-Tau".  Also known as DONUT.  A Perl module like that would
have been found in our Monte Carlo simulations, if they had been
written in Perl...

[goes and has a stiff drink]

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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue May 13 17:32:36 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] smb network browser under linux?
Message-ID: <200305131732.36881@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

What is everyone (who is forced to :-) using for smb network browsing and 
such?

I'm using komba2, but I'm wondering if there is something better out there.

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May 13 17:36:52 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131631.35856.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com> <20030513212105.GC940@iucha.net> <200305131631.35856.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <20030513223652.GD940@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:31:35PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote:
> Kernel recompile is not in the near future on these boxes, I am afraid. 
> Currently running RedHat's 2.4.7-10. Though a quick look through /proc/sys/vm 
> shows an overcommit_memory so I wonder if that is related somehow.  I dont 
> see anything listed in the docs, though....

There have been 18 or so errata kernels since 2.4.7-xx. You've got
upgrade!

florin

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May 13 17:45:01 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
In-Reply-To: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
References: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030513224501.GE940@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:50:36PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> florin's .sig reads:
>                                                                                                          
> "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."               
> 
> now is that a linear particle accellerator, or a toroidal particle
> accellerator? :)

There are some linear donuts out there, but other than some different 
topological properties than the toroidal ones there is nothing
interesting about them. The toroidal donuts come in more icing styles.

On the nutrition scale, they are equally poisonous...

florin

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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue May 13 18:09:44 2003
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5 kernel booting
Message-ID: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu>

Is anyone regularly running a 2.5 kernel?

I am playing around with 2.5.69 to try to see if it will fix a
USB problem that I have been having.  This is my first foray into
2.5-land so I could be missing something obvious.

I configured the kernel based on updating the config for a
2.4.21-rc2 .config and updating it from there.  The kernel
compiles fine, but it hangs on boot.  It gets as far as
"Uncompressing Linux .... Ok booting the kernel".

Any ideas on what might be going on?  I don't think that I left
anything crucial out of the config.  I tried compiling with both
gcc-3.2 and gcc-2.95. Are there any tool chain gotchas that I may
be missing?  The machine is running Debian Sarge.

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 13 18:30:50 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFDF@mail.temgweb.com>

I would like a Klein Donut.

Ah yes, preferably a Krispy Kreme Klein Donut, the tastiest non-orientable,
boundary free toroid found anywhere in our three spatial dimensions.  "A
Klein Donut?  That can't exist outside of the 4th dimension!"  You are wrong
my friend.  The 4th dimensional Klein Donut can be transferred into 3
dimensions without cusps or folds.  Every part of the immersed Klein donut
would be locally Euclidean.  A mathematical immersion allows
self-intersection, which, indeed, a Klein donut would have.  Klein donuts
would be non-orientable just like 4D Klein donuts, because orientabilty is
invarient with immersion.

(Much of the above was ripped from http://www.kleinbottles.com, about the
coolest gift you can get for a geek).  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: florin@iucha.net [mailto:florin@iucha.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:45 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:50:36PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm 
> Soderstrom wrote:
> > florin's .sig reads:
> >                                                             
>                                              
> > "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle 
> accelerator."               
> > 
> > now is that a linear particle accellerator, or a toroidal particle
> > accellerator? :)
> 
> There are some linear donuts out there, but other than some different 
> topological properties than the toroidal ones there is nothing
> interesting about them. The toroidal donuts come in more icing styles.
> 
> On the nutrition scale, they are equally poisonous...
> 
> florin
> 
> -- 
> 
> "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."
> 

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May 13 19:12:21 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5 kernel booting
In-Reply-To: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20030514001221.GF940@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:09:44PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote:
> Is anyone regularly running a 2.5 kernel?

Yes.

> I am playing around with 2.5.69 to try to see if it will fix a
> USB problem that I have been having.  This is my first foray into
> 2.5-land so I could be missing something obvious.

Yes.

> I configured the kernel based on updating the config for a
> 2.4.21-rc2 .config and updating it from there.  The kernel
> compiles fine, but it hangs on boot.  It gets as far as
> "Uncompressing Linux .... Ok booting the kernel".
> 
> Any ideas on what might be going on?  I don't think that I left
> anything crucial out of the config.  I tried compiling with both
> gcc-3.2 and gcc-2.95. Are there any tool chain gotchas that I may
> be missing?  The machine is running Debian Sarge.

Yes. You are missing your keyboard and console - the input layer has
been extensively reworked.

Make sure you have 

   ONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y
   CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y
   CONFIG_VT=y
   CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y
   CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y

in your .config.

Cheers,
florin

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 13 20:17:58 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5 kernel booting
In-Reply-To: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132017260.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>

On Tue, 13 May 2003, Jim Crumley wrote:
> Is anyone regularly running a 2.5 kernel?

Yeah, on my workstation at home.

> I am playing around with 2.5.69 to try to see if it will fix a USB
> problem that I have been having.  This is my first foray into 2.5-land
> so I could be missing something obvious.
> 
> I configured the kernel based on updating the config for a 2.4.21-rc2
> .config and updating it from there.  The kernel compiles fine, but it
> hangs on boot.  It gets as far as "Uncompressing Linux .... Ok booting
> the kernel".

Did you compile for the wrong processor type?

Include console support?

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May 13 20:27:43 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] smb network browser under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200305131732.36881@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:32:36PM -0500
References: <200305131732.36881@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030513202743.A31655@thinkunix.net>

LinNeighborhood is pretty good:
http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/

I prefer xfsamba which comes with the xfce window manager:
http://www.xfce.org/

Bob Tanner wrote:
> What is everyone (who is forced to :-) using for smb network browsing and 
> such?
> I'm using komba2, but I'm wondering if there is something better out there.

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May 13 21:19:10 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131631.35856.list@slushpupie.com>
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
        <20030513212105.GC940@iucha.net>
        <200305131631.35856.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <2397.192.1.1.15.1052878750.squirrel@dccmn.com>

Why not just set ulimit -m?

Jay Kline said:
> Kernel recompile is not in the near future on these boxes, I am afraid.
> Currently running RedHat's 2.4.7-10. Though a quick look through
> /proc/sys/vm  shows an overcommit_memory so I wonder if that is related
> somehow.  I dont  see anything listed in the docs, though....
>
> Jay
>
> On Tuesday 13 May 2003 04:21 pm, Florin Iucha wrote:
>> $LINUX_SRC/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting.
>>
>> It works on 2.5.x, AC kernels, and RHAS.
>>
>> florin
>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue May 13 21:29:36 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RJ45 on Cat3
In-Reply-To: <200305131421.13271.wilson@visi.com>
References: <200305131421.13271.wilson@visi.com>
Message-ID: <200305132129.36271@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Tuesday 13 May 2003 02:21 pm, Tim Wilson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm going to be connecting a bunch of wires in the next few days and I
> wanted to double-check something about using Cat5 for POT connections. I'm
> going to use my standard patch panel for making regular network ports into
> phone connections whenever I need one. I plan to use some Cat3 that I will
> connect from my 66 block and put an RJ45 connector on it so I can connect
> it to the patch panel.
>
> Does anyone know which wires go where if I want to crimp an RJ45 connector
> onto a Cat3

http://www.mcc.cc.mt.us/webpages/academics/electronics_program_files/T568Cable.htm

> Does anyone have a suggestion for a better method?

Terminate it ito an Interlink block 
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From kremer at ringworld.org  Tue May 13 22:50:00 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
Message-ID: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>

Has anyone ever used or heard anything about Hosting Minnesota?
www.hostingminnesota.com 
I've been going through the yellow pages looking at any local
hosting/co-lo options that seem ok, and after seeing everything else,
they seem too good to be true.  

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But glittering prizes and endless compromises
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 13 22:58:04 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>

On Tue, 13 May 2003, Justin Kremer wrote:
> Has anyone ever used or heard anything about Hosting Minnesota?
> www.hostingminnesota.com I've been going through the yellow pages
> looking at any local hosting/co-lo options that seem ok, and after
> seeing everything else, they seem too good to be true.

Sure looks like it's to be true - unlimited bandwidth for $25/mo?! They
must be trusting you're not going to use much!

Also looks (according to a traceroute) like the box hosting
www.hostingminnesota.com is in Texas somewhere.. odd.

Best bet is to try 'em out and see what happens.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 13 22:58:49 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
 <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132258400.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>

On Tue, 13 May 2003, natecars@real-time.com wrote:
> Sure looks like it's to be true - unlimited bandwidth for $25/mo?! They
> must be trusting you're not going to use much!

er, to good to be true.

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From blots at visi.com  Tue May 13 22:24:44 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <20030513171424.GP19586@autonomous.tv>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
	 <20030513171424.GP19586@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <1052882684.6658.6.camel@lotsa>

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 12:14, Spencer Butler wrote:
> Post-It notes are free and work just as you need :) 

Where can I get free Post-It notes? Damn things are expensive.
 
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From david at acz.org  Wed May 14 00:05:54 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
Message-ID: <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Justin Kremer writes:
> I've been going through the yellow pages looking at any local
> hosting/co-lo options that seem ok, and after seeing everything else,
> they seem too good to be true.

They are too good to be true.  There is no such thing as unlimited
bandwidth.  The fact that they advertise it shows that they probably don't
have a capacity for high volume sites.  Put up a few high traffic adult
sites and see what they say.  They will either charge you extra or cancel
your service.  Do you really want to use a hosting provider that is not up
front about what they offer?

When they say "unlimited bandwidth", they might really mean it.  Verio does
the same thing with their shared servers while claiming unlimited bandwidth.
What it really means is that they put a lot of customers on a single box, so
in reality you can only push so much traffic.  Their sales reps will confirm
that.

Their "Network Connectivity" has a lot of marketing spin.  When they say
"our" data center, they mean a data center they use, not one they own.  From
the looks of it, they probably colo in a Verio data center.

I'd be surprised if they were truthful about the connectivity they list.
Five T3s in one location?  That's an awful lot of copper.  Perhaps they mean
DS3?  Listing multiple OC3s and OC12s does not mean much.  A single accident
could take them all out.  (Last week Qwest was doing fiber maintenance and
without warning took out all of Global Crossing's Minneapolis customers for
over an hour.)

If they already have five T3s (and not DS3s), why do they need ten emergency
T1s?  Fitting 1845mbits through a 15mbit pipe is going to work really
well...

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From dante at argle.org  Fri May  9 09:48:19 2003
From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030509043735.GF17734@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305090945280.8939-100000@cu.argle.org>

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Spencer Butler wrote:

> IPCop doesn't come with any devel tools.  If you read their docs I
> believe you will see what I mean.  You get perl and that is about as
> close as you get.  You may want to holler at the ipcop-devel list to get
> more info.
>
> It is a security 'feature'.
>
As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to see perl
gone also. For a production firewall you want nothing that makes it any
easier for an intruder to install software on the computer than
necessary. Of course, this means that you have to do all of your binary
production on a compatible dev system, but that is as it should be.

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From mike at mikemaurer.net  Sun May 11 21:18:06 2003
From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike M)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] More laptop choices
In-Reply-To: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
References: <200305112052.54382.peter-clark@bethel.edu>
Message-ID: <3EBF045E.1090807@mikemaurer.net>

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I've had two compaq laptops (Presario 1685, Armada e500); both running
Debian Linux with no setup problems that I can remember (sound, video,
PCMCIA, network adapter, basic power management [standby button]). I've
been very happy/lucky that all the hardware in both computers has been
very well supported by vendors/online communities.

My $0.02.

Mike

Peter Clark wrote:
| 	So I found two great deals, one for an HP ze5125, the other for a Compaq
| 1525us. Our friend Google returned a couple of helpful pages about
running
| Linux on the ze5125, but nada on the 1525us. Since HP and Compaq are
one big
| happy family these days, support should be equally good (or bad) for
both.
| The price difference is $20. The HP has an ATI Mobility Radeon, while the
| Compaq has an ATI Radeon IGP. Other specs are just about equal
(although the
| Compaq has USB2, which is a definite plus in its favor). Would anyone
care to
| comment?
| 	:Peter
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From dante at argle.org  Tue May 13 16:23:03 2003
From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
In-Reply-To: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305131621110.28493-100000@cu.argle.org>

Assuming you do not have access to the source of this
application, you might try setting up a Bochs sandbox for it
so that it won't interfere with the rest of the system and
can be restarted at need more rapidly.

On Tue, 13 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:

> On a server I admin there is a custom application that likes to consume large
> ammounts of memory.  Apparently, there are no checks within the application
> when it allocates memory because it seems to kill the box occationally. the
> kernel logger says it ran out of memory, then eventully the box stops
> responding, except to pings.  I need some suggestions for this, we cant throw
> more memory at the box, but that wont solve the problem (this app WILL
> consume anything you give it).  I know there must be some way to limit a
> process's memory usage- at least enough to protect the kernel better.  We
> have like 6 gig's of swap partitions thrown at it right now, but I am fairly
> certain that it dosnt use much, if any, of it. I know its almost a flame war,
> but in the situation where you have one app consuming most of the memory,
> what is the best setup with swap?
>
> Jay
>
>

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From gkrueger at cleosci.com  Wed May 14 00:09:40 2003
From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
References: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EC1CF94.50907@cleosci.com>

Toroidal, of course...

>
>now is that a linear particle accellerator, or a toroidal particle
>accellerator? :)
>
>
>Carl Soderstrom.
>  
>




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From david at acz.org  Wed May 14 01:30:26 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory Limitations on Processes
References: <200305131609.58191.list@slushpupie.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c319e2$4e580340$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Jay Kline writes:
> On a server I admin there is a custom application that likes to
> consume large ammounts of memory.  Apparently, there are no checks
> within the application when it allocates memory because it seems to
> kill the box occationally.

UNIX has a wonderful thing called resource limits, or rlimits.  See
getrlimit(2) and setrlimit(2).  If you have an sh compatible shell, you can
set resource limits using ulimit.  An easy way to run a program with new
resource limits is softlimit:

http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/softlimit.html

-- 
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From jhaahei2 at gac.edu  Tue May 13 21:28:15 2003
From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NT:UNIX::donut:particle accellerator
In-Reply-To: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
References: <20030513165036.J26148@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3EC1A9BF.8060703@gac.edu>

a lot more people know how to use a doughnut, and working a doughnut 
doesn't require a college degree or a lot of free time.

Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> florin's .sig reads:
>                                                                                                          
> "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator."               


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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Wed May 14 02:50:10 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305090945280.8939-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <20030509043735.GF17734@autonomous.tv> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305090945280.8939-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <20030514075010.GD1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:48:19AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:

> As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to see perl
> gone also. For a production firewall you want nothing that makes it any
> easier for an intruder to install software on the computer than
> necessary. Of course, this means that you have to do all of your binary
> production on a compatible dev system, but that is as it should be.

Until they just scp their staticly linked programs in. Not having a
compiler on the system does nothing for security.

-- 
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http://www.poptix.net                           GPG public key 0x01938203

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May 14 02:57:29 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mount vfat filesystems by volume label
Message-ID: <1052899050.14603.66.camel@3po.thodt.net>

Hi everybody,

I did some coding over the last day, extending a little feature of the
'mount' command.  I'm kind of proud of it, though I'm sure it's lack of
polish just highlights the fact that I haven't done any significant
programming for like.. 9 months or so (and even this isn't all that
"significant").

Anyway, I just added onto the mount-by-label support that mount has. 
You've been able to mount filesystems by their volume labels for a
while, but only well-thought-out filesystems like ext2/3, reiserfs, etc.
(though mount-by-label support in the current version seems a bit
wonky).  Nobody bothered with vfat support until now.

I figure lots of people will be interested in this for vfat-formatted
media for digital cameras, USB keychain drives, etc., where you don't
always know where a certain removable storage device will show up in
/dev.

I now have a line in my /etc/fstab like this, and it actually works for
my digital camera (A Fuji that shows up as a USB mass storage device):

  LABEL=MHICKS-CAM	/camera	vfat	user,noauto	0	0

No more guessing the device name, and therefore no more need to su to
root to mount and unmount my camera when I copy pictures off of it.

Anyway, some more of the gory details (and some patches, for the brave)
can be found here:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=124010

If you do compile new versions of mount and umount, remember to turn on
the SUID bit, so you can mount and unmount filesystems as a user (I
forgot that a couple times when I was testing)..

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From stevered at mm.com  Wed May 14 07:34:05 2003
From: stevered at mm.com (Steve Redding)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4682.199.199.204.21.1052915645.squirrel@ice.mm.com>

Add a NET SEND line into your login script that will open a pop-up window

net send /domain:<MS domain name here> "your message"

> I'm in search for some free/cheap and preferably open-source but Win32
> software that is a local-computer e-mail system (No network involved).
> Basically, I want to pass on memos to my employees, so that when they
> log in they get any messages I need to pass to them. Any suggestions? My
> apologies, I know it's windows based, but I think the knowledge base
> here is stronger that my other lists :)
>
> -Nick "I hate Post-it Notes" Stolley




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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Wed May 14 08:20:21 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] selecting WMs
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3532@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Thank you all for your help...fluxbox is so pretty!!.....i can see the rabid following has been well earned.....i had some problems at first by editing the wrong .xinitrc but now I am golden.....again thank you all and joy to the world fluxbox is king!!



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From blots at visi.com  Wed May 14 08:20:34 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
	 <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa>


On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 00:05, David Phillips wrote:
> Do you really want to use a hosting provider that is not up
> front about what they offer?


How about writing them and asking? I know a guy from this place. I know
nothing of the service but he certainly doesn't seem like someone who is
out to screw anyone. True "Unlimited Bandwidth" might be a little
misleading as there is no such thing but why not find out from them what
they mean by that? We don't know.

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From florin at iucha.net  Wed May 14 09:24:55 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa>
Message-ID: <20030514142455.GG940@iucha.net>

On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:20:34AM -0500, Tom Penney wrote:
> > Do you really want to use a hosting provider that is not up
> > front about what they offer?
> 
> How about writing them and asking? I know a guy from this place. I know
> nothing of the service but he certainly doesn't seem like someone who is
> out to screw anyone. True "Unlimited Bandwidth" might be a little
> misleading as there is no such thing but why not find out from them what
> they mean by that? We don't know.

It either a lie or a 'lie'. If they meant something else, they could
have said it. It would not have been as catcy-sounding though...

florin

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 14 09:34:03 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10304181702250.12071-100000@unix1.sihope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305140928010.30161-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Adam Maloney wrote:
> Nate - I checked, we don't have real instructions yet, just the stuff
> Justin jotted down while ActionTec support was running through with
> our customer.  He's working on them over the next week or two, so when
> we get them done I'll try and remember to send something over to you.

One of my friends got a DSL line in, and I was over setting up his router
for him last night.. he has an ActionTec router with a /29; didn't have
any problems getting routing working. Would've been interesting to have
tried a /30 to see if they've fixed that bug, but at well.

Basically, just went into "Advanced Setup", and went through all the
menus, picking the obvious option (PPPoA, static ip for the router goes
here, NAT disabled, static IP for the ethernet interface, etc).. the only
thing I did that was non-obvious is adding a route to the local network in
their static routing tables.. normally wouldn't be necessary since most
routers add the route automatically when you configure the IP on the
ethernet interface. Not even sure if this was totally necessary - they
just had a note on the screen that mentioned you must add a route to the
local network if not doing NAT, so I did it (I was in a hurry...)  :)

Oh, one thing of interest - I couldn't find a way to totally disable
firewalling on these things.. best I could do was turn it to 'Basic',
which still blocked IPSec unless you turned IPSec Passthru on (which
shouldn't be necessary for a routed connection.) Kind of irritating..

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From blots at visi.com  Wed May 14 09:14:41 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <20030514142455.GG940@iucha.net>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
	 <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa>
	 <20030514142455.GG940@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <1052921681.6658.56.camel@lotsa>

On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:24, Florin Iucha wrote:
> It either a lie or a 'lie'. If they meant something else, they could
> have said it. It would not have been as catcy-sounding though...

You are correct. The could have said something else. It's obviously and
outright lie. What a bastard. They are terribly wrong for using such
misleading language. I guess my point is if you want to find out what
they "should" have said, contact them and ask. Perhaps it is an awefull
lot of band width, perhaps it is a good deal. If you you would rather
not do business with someone with such atrocious moral character as to
make such a claim then don't. I just thought I should jump in and defend
my buddy, he's not a bad guy.   

-- 
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From admin at lctn.org  Wed May 14 10:21:57 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
References: <20030509043735.GF17734@autonomous.tv> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305090945280.8939-100000@cu.argle.org> <20030514075010.GD1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <005c01c31a2c$908786b0$650011ac@DELL2>

I got busy and lost track of my own thread. Has anyone determined if I am
able to install the necessary libraries on the ipcop box, for the sarg squid
reporting program? In this case I am not as worried about the firewall
aspect, since it inside another firewall. I just like the simple install,
real-time stats, and web gui for managing the box.

Raymond



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From jared-linux at mn.rr.com  Wed May 14 11:27:31 2003
From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <005c01c31a2c$908786b0$650011ac@DELL2>
References: <20030509043735.GF17734@autonomous.tv> <20030514075010.GD1443@techmonkeys.org> <005c01c31a2c$908786b0$650011ac@DELL2>
Message-ID: <200305141127.31717.jared-linux@mn.rr.com>

http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/thread.html

On Wednesday 14 May 2003 10:21 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I got busy and lost track of my own thread. <snip>

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From kremer at ringworld.org  Wed May 14 11:23:02 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <20030514142455.GG940@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305141113470.23977-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Florin Iucha wrote:

> It either a lie or a 'lie'. If they meant something else, they could
> have said it. It would not have been as catcy-sounding though...

I'm not sure if it necessarily is a lie.  By unlimited bandwidth, ISP's
are generally talking about fees.  They won't charge you any extra no
matter how much you use.  There is always a point where the pipe just
can't push any more bits through in a month's time.  I wouldn't call that
a lie.  I would say it's a (maybe poor) assumption that whoever will be
buying that understands the way things work.
Regardless, I'm not looking for enough bandwidth that i'd be maxing out
anything they've got.  My current setup is peaking at 100k/sec currently.
it averages 6k/sec.  I'm just looking for something that might please the
lusers.


-------------
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of music,
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity."
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 14 11:33:44 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305141113470.23977-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305141132041.30161-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Justin Kremer wrote:
> I'm not sure if it necessarily is a lie.  By unlimited bandwidth,
> ISP's are generally talking about fees.  They won't charge you any
> extra no matter how much you use.  There is always a point where the
> pipe just can't push any more bits through in a month's time.

Well, they claim they have huge 'net pipes, and then they say that you can
use as much as you want for no additional charge. $25 doesn't buy all that
much bandwidth.. ISP's generally are doing fairly well to be paying
$100/mbit. So, if you use more than about 1/4mbit, they are probably going
to start losing money on you. If you're sucking down one of their DS3's
(if they really have one), they are losing a ton of money on you. :)

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From florin at iucha.net  Wed May 14 12:08:11 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <1052921681.6658.56.camel@lotsa>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa> <20030514142455.GG940@iucha.net> <1052921681.6658.56.camel@lotsa>
Message-ID: <20030514170811.GA20965@iucha.net>

On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:14:41AM -0500, Tom Penney wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:24, Florin Iucha wrote:
> > It either a lie or a 'lie'. If they meant something else, they could
> > have said it. It would not have been as catcy-sounding though...
> 
> You are correct. The could have said something else. It's obviously and
> outright lie. What a bastard. They are terribly wrong for using such
> misleading language. I guess my point is if you want to find out what
> they "should" have said, contact them and ask. Perhaps it is an awefull
> lot of band width, perhaps it is a good deal. If you you would rather
> not do business with someone with such atrocious moral character as to
> make such a claim then don't.

Unfortunately this "qualified truth" became the norm a long time ago:
"Our stuff is the best", "Second pair is free"...

>                               I just thought I should jump in and defend
> my buddy, he's not a bad guy.   

I never claimed, or even thought that. Even if the wrote that
particular piece of text 8^) I know he was just doing his job...

florin

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From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com  Wed May 14 12:33:00 2003
From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <20030514170811.GA20965@iucha.net>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer>
        <003601c319d6$7f321430$0201a8c0@brinstar>
        <1052918434.6658.33.camel@lotsa>
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>
> Unfortunately this "qualified truth" became the norm a long time ago:
> "Our stuff is the best", "Second pair is free"...

Maybe not for long, depending on what happens with the nike case in
california



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From amy at real-time.com  Wed May 14 12:45:10 2003
From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SB expo passes
Message-ID: <20030514174510.GA30008@real-time.com>

Anyone have some passes to Strictly Business I can have for tomorrow?
I'm looking for 5-7.  Reply directly to me.  Thanks.

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Wed May 14 13:34:06 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:58:04PM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote:

> Sure looks like it's to be true - unlimited bandwidth for $25/mo?! They
> must be trusting you're not going to use much!
> 
> Also looks (according to a traceroute) like the box hosting
> www.hostingminnesota.com is in Texas somewhere.. odd.
> 
> Best bet is to try 'em out and see what happens.

Oh, it's definitely too good to be true. First of all, you're paying
someone who is reselling someone else's services (propagation.net),
propagation.net's policies:

(http://www.hostingsupport.com/manual/terms.html)
----
Abuse of Unlimited Traffic and/or Unlimited Storage
Our customers are privileged to be offered unlimited traffic and/or 
unlimited storage for their web sites. The intention is to provide 
a large space to serve web documents, not an offsite storage area 
for electronic files. All (90%) of your web pages (html) must be 
'linked' with files (.GIF, .JPEG, etc.) stored on our server. 
Web sites that are found to contain either/or no html documents, 
a large number of unlinked files are subject to warning, suspension 
or cancellation at the discretion of our management. Any customer 
who violates our Policies in abusing either space/site transfer 
will be notified and given 2 days to remedy the problem. If the 
problem is not resolved within the alloted 2 day period, the 
client will be billed for the overages.

To maintain the integrity of our service the following limitations apply:


Sites with Banners, graphics or cgi scripts running from their 
domain used on other domains. 

Sites with picture galleries (This is any site where 50% of the 
files transferred is graphics) 

Sites offering download files or archives. (This is any site 
where 50% or more of there monthly traffic is from file downloads) 

Sites using more than 30% of system resources
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
For those that do not qualify for the unlimited service, traffic 
will go unmonitored until you reach 8GB per month. Thereafter, 
normal data transfer cost of $20.00/1GB/month will be billed to your account. 

We will be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a violation of this provision
----

IE: 'You must bend over, you must do as we say, and you have an 8GB per
month until we start ****** you for $20/GB, oh yeah, it's entirely up
to us as to what qualifies you for this.'

It's unlimited until you hit the limit, then they charge you more.

Their pricing sucks, their policies suck, and they're most definitely
not in Minnesota.

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From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net  Wed May 14 13:57:43 2003
From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID Controllers
Message-ID: <20030514185743.C42AA60483@wookimus.net>

IIRC, some time back Real Time Enterprises had problems with the Promise
RAID controllers with the new listserver. What is your opinion on the
different RAID controllers in the market today wrt to Linux
compatibiilty and performance.

Additionally, where do you see Serial ATA within the linux scheme of
things?
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 14 14:11:27 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305141411100.30161-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> IE: 'You must bend over, you must do as we say, and you have an 8GB
> per month until we start ****** you for $20/GB, oh yeah, it's entirely
> up to us as to what qualifies you for this.'
>
> It's unlimited until you hit the limit, then they charge you more.
>
> Their pricing sucks, their policies suck, and they're most definitely
> not in Minnesota.

Geez, thanks for doing the legwork on that one - yeah, that pretty
obviously sucks.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 14 14:08:44 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID Controllers
In-Reply-To: <20030514185743.C42AA60483@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305141406190.30161-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> IIRC, some time back Real Time Enterprises had problems with the
> Promise RAID controllers with the new listserver. What is your opinion
> on the different RAID controllers in the market today wrt to Linux
> compatibiilty and performance.

We love 3ware controllers here. Use 'em all the time.

Note that the Promise RAID controllers we had issues with were the
SuperTrak SX6000's - not the cheap onboard motherboard ones. Don't have
any experience with those.

I've also heard great things about the Adaptec 2400A's. Haven't used one
myself, though.

> Additionally, where do you see Serial ATA within the linux scheme of
> things?

I see it as the next logical step. As I understand it, the 3ware Serial
ATA raid controllers are already supported (by the standard 3ware
controller), and most of the on-board SATA controllers are also supported
in the standard kernel. I'm just waiting until the drives come down a bit
in price (well, and I'd like Western Digital to release a larger Raptor
drive), and for the hotswap trays to get cheaper, and I'll probably switch
over to SATA on any new boxes (servers and workstations.)

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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed May 14 14:03:32 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org> <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <3EC29304.6080008@sodatrain.com>

Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:

I used to work with somoene who used csoft.

http://www.csoft.net/

Atleast 2 years ago, he was happy with the services, turn around time... 
i was always tempted to try them, but i have my own server...

Might be worth a shot.

duncan

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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Wed May 14 14:12:53 2003
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5 kernel booting
In-Reply-To: <20030514001221.GF940@iucha.net>
References: <20030513180944.A26743@baker.space.umn.edu> <20030514001221.GF940@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20030514141253.A27316@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 07:12:21PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote:
> Yes. You are missing your keyboard and console - the input layer has
> been extensively reworked.

Thanks, that did the trick.  I had to fiddle a while with ALSA to
get the sound working, but now I think that everything is up and
running.  Plus it actuall did fix my USB problems - no more
lockups everytime I closed my GPS device.  


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From adam at askewview.net  Wed May 14 14:27:55 2003
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <3EC29304.6080008@sodatrain.com>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> 
     <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org> 
     <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org> 
     <3EC29304.6080008@sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <12464.64.83.223.2.1052940475.squirrel@mail.askewview.net>

I've personally used www.sectorlink.com and www.phpwebhosting.com both
companies were great. Good responce times on all support requests lots of
features and very flexiable. As of right now I dont use any hosting
companies as i'm running my own server.

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From duncan at sodatrain.com  Wed May 14 14:19:17 2003
From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT:  more hosting questions
In-Reply-To: <3EC29304.6080008@sodatrain.com>
References: <1052884200.6139.15.camel@kremer> <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305132253500.1803-100000@conformity.technicality.org> <20030514183406.GE1443@techmonkeys.org> <3EC29304.6080008@sodatrain.com>
Message-ID: <3EC296B5.6040805@sodatrain.com>

Opps. Not to shove words into Matthew's mouth... i missed the first line 
int he message reply. my bad.

So, ignore the "Matthew S. Hallacy Wrote:" please, as its my words.

duncan


Duncan Shannon wrote:

> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> 
> I used to work with somoene who used csoft.
> 
> http://www.csoft.net/
> 
> Atleast 2 years ago, he was happy with the services, turn around time... 
> i was always tempted to try them, but i have my own server...
> 
> Might be worth a shot.
> 
> duncan
> 


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From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com  Wed May 14 14:56:35 2003
From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID Controllers
In-Reply-To: <20030514185743.C42AA60483@wookimus.net>
References: <20030514185743.C42AA60483@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <5204.63.141.8.45.1052942195.squirrel@www.litriusgroup.com>

> IIRC, some time back Real Time Enterprises had problems with the Promise
> RAID controllers with the new listserver. What is your opinion on the
> different RAID controllers in the market today wrt to Linux
> compatibiilty and performance.
>
> Additionally, where do you see Serial ATA within the linux scheme of
> things?
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I got Highpoint RocketRaid133 card a couple months back.  I got the card
because it supported linux, but I found out that it didn't have exactly
the support I was looking for.  It had drivers for Suse and Redhat, but
only for redhat 7.3, and I wanted to use 8 or 9, which I guess isn't a big
deal.  I got it working well on RHL9, but I had to install the system
first, and then build the driver on the running system and change fstab to
mount the partitions on /dev/sda instead of hda, wasn't a huge deal and
works well now.  In my search for getting that one running however I saw a
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 14 15:15:17 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID Controllers
In-Reply-To: <5204.63.141.8.45.1052942195.squirrel@www.litriusgroup.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305141512070.30161-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Joel Wickard wrote:
> I got Highpoint RocketRaid133 card a couple months back.  I got the
> card because it supported linux, but I found out that it didn't have
> exactly the support I was looking for.  It had drivers for Suse and
> Redhat, but only for redhat 7.3, and I wanted to use 8 or 9, which I
> guess isn't a big deal.  I got it working well on RHL9, but I had to
> install the system first, and then build the driver on the running
> system and change fstab to mount the partitions on /dev/sda instead of
> hda, wasn't a huge deal and works well now.

I actually just inhereted a Adaptec 1200A, which as far as I can tell is
just a HighPoint 370A. It looks like the drivers HighPoint provides are
similar to the NVidia drivers - a binary stub file, and then a c wrapper
so you can build it for your current kernel.

I'm going to try both those drivers, and the 'ataraid' drivers in the -ac
tree of the kernel (the ataraid driver is for both the HPT37x cards and
for the el-cheapo Promise raid cards).. it'd be nice if the pure open
source drivers would work.

> In my search for getting that one running however I saw a LOT of
> people posting that 3ware cards were where it's at.

Yeah, like I said in my last post, 3ware rules. Of course, $130 for a
2-channel raid controller or ~$275 for a 4-channel is a bit more cash than
a lot of people want to pay. Just to note, I have yet to find a
Linux-based management tool that I like nearly as much as 3ware's..

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From jeffr at odeon.net  Wed May 14 16:04:54 2003
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID Controllers
In-Reply-To: <20030514185743.C42AA60483@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305141603260.21757-100000@titan.odeon.net>

3ware eide raid controllers are hard to beat.

http://www.3ware.com/

Jeff

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote:

> IIRC, some time back Real Time Enterprises had problems with the Promise
> RAID controllers with the new listserver. What is your opinion on the
> different RAID controllers in the market today wrt to Linux
> compatibiilty and performance.
>
> Additionally, where do you see Serial ATA within the linux scheme of
> things?
>


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From gsker at tcfreenet.org  Wed May 14 17:32:43 2003
From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] quick&easy bash or perl script?
In-Reply-To: <20030513034702.GA29281@isis.visi.com>
References: <20030512180403.GA18161@mail.el-swifto.com>
 <20030512144928.G73987-100000@tcfreenet.org> <20030513034702.GA29281@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305141720090.1990@hamster.attbi.com>

All the file created 11 days ago.
  ls *(c11)
All the links:
  ls *(@)
All the files starting with test except those ending in pdf that are not
executable.
  ls test*~*.pdf(^*)
Or all those that have x or d in them but not pdfs and not executable ..
  ls -l test*(x|d)*~*.pdf(^*)

There are LOTS.
http/www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/zshexpn1.html

Ger

On Mon, 12 May 2003, David Blevins wrote:
> I'm amazed at the file globbing.  Not being a zsh user, this is news to
> me.  What other little gems does zsh offer?

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Wed May 14 20:55:55 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <1052882684.6658.6.camel@lotsa>
References: <479B87B8.4405F679.09BD8409@aol.com> <20030513171424.GP19586@autonomous.tv> <1052882684.6658.6.camel@lotsa>
Message-ID: <20030515015555.GB25559@autonomous.tv>

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:24:44PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 12:14, Spencer Butler wrote:
>> Post-It notes are free and work just as you need :) 
>
>Where can I get free Post-It notes? Damn things are expensive.
well in jima's work closet of course ;)
> 
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From mj at jentges.net  Wed May 14 21:53:16 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Odd maillog entry?!
Message-ID: <3415.199.199.150.6.1052967196.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

Hello Folks,

Does anyone know what this is/does? I suspect it's looking for usernames,
but via ??

-----
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unexpected close
May 14 21:38:09 mx1 sm-mta[31221]: h4F2bLNp031221: collect: unexpected
close on connection from mail.acumenmedia.com,
-----


Using Sendmail. Save your flames, please.....

Thanks!

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From adam at askewview.net  Wed May 14 23:08:53 2003
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Odd maillog entry?!
In-Reply-To: <3415.199.199.150.6.1052967196.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
References: <3415.199.199.150.6.1052967196.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
Message-ID: <1175.192.168.1.15.1052971733.squirrel@mail.askewview.net>

Just looks like someone is connecting to your smtp server but
disconnecting before sending any info to it.

>
> Hello Folks,
>
> Does anyone know what this is/does? I suspect it's looking for usernames,
> but via ??
>
> -----
> May 14 21:38:09 mx1 sm-mta[31221]: h4F2bLNp031221: collect: premature EOM:
> unexpected close
> May 14 21:38:09 mx1 sm-mta[31221]: h4F2bLNp031221: collect: unexpected
> close on connection from mail.acumenmedia.com,
> -----
>
>
> Using Sendmail. Save your flames, please.....
>
> Thanks!
>
> -mj
>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 15 00:45:56 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ltsp, mount and iptables
Message-ID: <200305150045.56286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

I'm trying to lock down ltsp, and there is one packet that I don't understand:

PROTO=UDP SPT=711 DPT=4002 LEN=88

Now this is mount on the lstp client trying to talk to mountd (4002) on the 
lstp server.

I have mountd locked to run on 4002, but why is mount grabbing 711 as it's 
source port?

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 15 01:26:38 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ltsp, mount and iptables
In-Reply-To: <200305150045.56286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <200305150045.56286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <200305150126.38169@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 15 May 2003 12:45 am, Bob Tanner wrote:
> I'm trying to lock down ltsp, and there is one packet that I don't
> understand:
>
> PROTO=UDP SPT=711 DPT=4002 LEN=88
>
> Now this is mount on the lstp client trying to talk to mountd (4002) on the
> lstp server.
>
> I have mountd locked to run on 4002, but why is mount grabbing 711 as it's
> source port?

Following along here:

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/feature_stories/feature_story-118.html

I tried this:

# mount -t nfs -o tcp,port=7777 ,mountport=8888 nfs:/home /mnt/nfs

The way I read the mount manual port should let me specify the SPT.

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May 15 06:15:51 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: A search for singal-system software
In-Reply-To: <20030515015555.GB25559@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305150613290.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Spencer Butler wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:24:44PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote:
> >Where can I get free Post-It notes? Damn things are expensive.
> well in jima's work closet of course ;)

 Just ignore the sign that says "building protected by LART."  Surely it's 
only there for the psychological effect.

     Jima


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From dante at argle.org  Wed May 14 08:57:48 2003
From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030514075010.GD1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305140853160.32718-100000@cu.argle.org>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:

> On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:48:19AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
>
> > As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to see perl
> > gone also. For a production firewall you want nothing that makes it any
> > easier for an intruder to install software on the computer than
> > necessary. Of course, this means that you have to do all of your binary
> > production on a compatible dev system, but that is as it should be.
>
> Until they just scp their staticly linked programs in. Not having a
> compiler on the system does nothing for security.
>
It eliminates entire classes of attack. There is no such thing
as perfect security, but why make it any easier for the bad guys
than you have to?

Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they _have_ to
have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the system.

This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks, and
ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your system with
the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Thu May 15 10:40:04 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Odd maillog entry?!
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDFF9@mail.temgweb.com>

Probably someone looking for a specific version of an MTA so they can
exploit it.  Geez, why are you running sendmail?  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam [mailto:adam@askewview.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:09 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Odd maillog entry?!
> 
> 
> Just looks like someone is connecting to your smtp server but
> disconnecting before sending any info to it.
> 
> >
> > Hello Folks,
> >
> > Does anyone know what this is/does? I suspect it's looking 
> for usernames,
> > but via ??
> >
> > -----
> > May 14 21:38:09 mx1 sm-mta[31221]: h4F2bLNp031221: collect: 
> premature EOM:
> > unexpected close
> > May 14 21:38:09 mx1 sm-mta[31221]: h4F2bLNp031221: collect: 
> unexpected
> > close on connection from mail.acumenmedia.com,
> > -----
> >
> >
> > Using Sendmail. Save your flames, please.....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -mj
> >
> > ---------------------
> > Jentges.NET, Inc.
> > Voice: 763.783.3702
> > Cell:    763.370.1201
> > ---------------------
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May 15 11:07:46 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down for a bit
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151107160.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

Just had a drive go dead (one of the Maxtor 160gb drives) that isn't in a
hotswap sled.. have to take Gladiator down to swap the drive out.

Should be back up shortly.

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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Thu May 15 13:51:04 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305140853160.32718-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <20030514075010.GD1443@techmonkeys.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305140853160.32718-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org>

when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, May 14, 2003), 
 Daniel Taylor was madly tapping out:
> On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:48:19AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to see
> > > perl gone also. For a production firewall you want nothing that
> > > makes it any easier for an intruder to install software on the
> > > computer than necessary. Of course, this means that you have to
> > > do all of your binary production on a compatible dev system, but
> > > that is as it should be.
> >
> > Until they just scp their staticly linked programs in. Not having
> > a compiler on the system does nothing for security.
> >
> It eliminates entire classes of attack. There is no such thing as
> perfect security, but why make it any easier for the bad guys than
> you have to?
> 
> Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they _have_ to
> have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the system.
> 
> This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks, and
> ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your system with
> the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)

this might stop the script kiddie - but it's not going to stop a
seasoned pro.  rule one - make sure you have infrastructure to
bootstrap your rootkit independent of access to a compiler, build
yerself infrastructure.  when people pull this logic out it always
cracks me up.  what you really need is an environment that doesn't
support user code.   the pros have the ability to insert statically
linked executables on the fly from their own infrastructure.

 

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May 15 15:16:22 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151514290.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:
> this might stop the script kiddie - but it's not going to stop a
> seasoned pro.  rule one - make sure you have infrastructure to
> bootstrap your rootkit independent of access to a compiler, build
> yerself infrastructure.  when people pull this logic out it always
> cracks me up.  what you really need is an environment that doesn't
> support user code.  the pros have the ability to insert statically
> linked executables on the fly from their own infrastructure.

most crack attempts do come from script kiddies, though.

i've heard leaving a development environment off a server compared to
locking your front door - it'll keep the lazy people out, but a determined
cracker can work past it.

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From amy at real-time.com  Thu May 15 17:01:39 2003
From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla ldap directory wierdness
Message-ID: <20030515220139.GH30008@real-time.com>

I'm experiencing very strange behavior with mozilla's ldap addressbooks.
For a newly-added LDAP directory server, my first search result comes
back and I can see the query in the ldap logs.  Subsequent searchs come
back with '0' results.  The logs show a connection accepted but no query
or any other information after.  It's like mozilla is not sending query
information.

Anyone else experienced this?  Ideas? This is with Mozilla 1.3.

Thanks.
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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May 15 18:42:18 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down
 for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151107160.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151838560.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> Just had a drive go dead (one of the Maxtor 160gb drives) that isn't
> in a hotswap sled.. have to take Gladiator down to swap the drive out.
>
> Should be back up shortly.

Well, looks like we lost a second drive; the controller started throwing
many CRC errors on a second one of the Maxtor drives when I started the
rebuild. Ugh! Talked to 3ware tech support; they say these Maxtor drives
go bad all the time, and gave us a few suggestions.. waiting to see what
happens on a rebuild.

The way we've got Gladiator set up, there are two arrays (~600gb Western
Digital, ~800gb Maxtor), and they are in a LVM VG with one big EXT3
partition across it. The WD drives are first in the VG, then the Maxtor
drives. We've got a total of 320gb of data on Gladiator, so if data is
stored sequentially, all the data *should* be on the WD drives. Anyone
know if it's possible to shrink an ext3 partition when the second half of
it's on a dying disk? And then have to reduce the LVM partition, of
course..

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From florin at iucha.net  Thu May 15 18:48:35 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151838560.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151107160.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151838560.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030515234835.GI20965@iucha.net>

On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 06:42:18PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> > Just had a drive go dead (one of the Maxtor 160gb drives) that isn't
> > in a hotswap sled.. have to take Gladiator down to swap the drive out.
> >
> > Should be back up shortly.
> 
> Well, looks like we lost a second drive; the controller started throwing
> many CRC errors on a second one of the Maxtor drives when I started the
> rebuild. Ugh! Talked to 3ware tech support; they say these Maxtor drives
> go bad all the time, and gave us a few suggestions.. waiting to see what
> happens on a rebuild.
> 
> The way we've got Gladiator set up, there are two arrays (~600gb Western
> Digital, ~800gb Maxtor), and they are in a LVM VG with one big EXT3
> partition across it. The WD drives are first in the VG, then the Maxtor
> drives. We've got a total of 320gb of data on Gladiator, so if data is
> stored sequentially, all the data *should* be on the WD drives. Anyone
> know if it's possible to shrink an ext3 partition when the second half of
> it's on a dying disk? And then have to reduce the LVM partition, of
> course..

I would not bet on the data being stored sequentially: the inode
allocator tries to spread the directory inodes around to reduce
fragmentation - if you leave some space between directories A and B, A
can grow without getting fragmented.

Cheers,
florin

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May 15 18:51:35 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down
 for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <20030515234835.GI20965@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151850380.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, Florin Iucha wrote:
> I would not bet on the data being stored sequentially: the inode
> allocator tries to spread the directory inodes around to reduce
> fragmentation - if you leave some space between directories A and B, A
> can grow without getting fragmented.

Hrm, good point. I'm glad someone knows a bit more about filesystem
internals than I do.  :)

Well, I think I'll let 3ware's 'forced rebuild' run overnight, and see if
it can manage to shuffle together a filesystem that can be mounted again.
If not.. time to download a whole bunch of crap again, and buy some hot
spare disks.

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From estabroo at talkware.net  Thu May 15 22:34:41 2003
From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305140853160.32718-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305140853160.32718-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <3EC45C51.1070000@talkware.net>

> Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they _have_ to
> have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the system.
> 
> This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks, and
> ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your system with
> the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)
> 

Unless you've gotten rid of all shells on the box (bash, ash, tcsh, ...) 
you haven't elimitated cross platform automated attacks at all.  The 
fact is if there is any interpreter on the box an automated bootstrap 
can happen.

I agree that not having the compilers on there will slow them down but 
not by much.

Even better is to use any of the kernel security patches that prevent 
executable stacks and watch for buffer overflows, they slow things down 
a little but worth the security if its a mission critical box.

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Fri May 16 08:23:31 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going d
	own for a bit]
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B4@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nate Carlson [SMTP:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:42 PM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going
> down for a bit]
> 
> On Thu, 15 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> > Just had a drive go dead (one of the Maxtor 160gb drives) that isn't
> > in a hotswap sled.. have to take Gladiator down to swap the drive out.
> >
> > Should be back up shortly.
> 
> Well, looks like we lost a second drive; the controller started throwing
> many CRC errors on a second one of the Maxtor drives when I started the
> rebuild. Ugh! Talked to 3ware tech support; they say these Maxtor drives
> go bad all the time, and gave us a few suggestions.. waiting to see what
> happens on a rebuild.
> 
> The way we've got Gladiator set up, there are two arrays (~600gb Western
> Digital, ~800gb Maxtor), and they are in a LVM VG with one big EXT3
> partition across it. The WD drives are first in the VG, then the Maxtor
> drives. We've got a total of 320gb of data on Gladiator, so if data is
> stored sequentially, all the data *should* be on the WD drives. Anyone
> know if it's possible to shrink an ext3 partition when the second half of
> it's on a dying disk? And then have to reduce the LVM partition, of
> course..
> 
	You aren't using scsi are you?

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 16 09:11:21 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going d
 own for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B4@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305160910190.23877-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 16 May 2003, RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM wrote:
> You aren't using scsi are you?

No, the amount of disk we need in that server made it cost-prohibitive..

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Fri May 16 09:15:37 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going d
	 own for a bit]
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B5@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nate Carlson [SMTP:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent:	Friday, May 16, 2003 9:11 AM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	RE: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator
> going d own for a bit]
> 
> On Fri, 16 May 2003, RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM wrote:
> > You aren't using scsi are you?
> 
> No, the amount of disk we need in that server made it cost-prohibitive..
> 
	Nuts.  It is a lot better if you can swing it.  Ide mtbf is not
great.  You guys only got a year or so on those didn't you.  I suppose no
warranty anymore.  

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri May 16 09:39:33 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting today!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305160936430.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Sorry for the late announcement; we've been busy with Strictly Business 
stuff.
 More details at http://beer.tclug.org , blah blah blah...

--- snip ---
A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 16, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Upstairs at McGovern's
225 W 7th St
St Paul, MN 55102
--- snip ---

     Jima


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri May 16 09:39:33 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting today!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305160936430.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Sorry for the late announcement; we've been busy with Strictly Business 
stuff.
 More details at http://beer.tclug.org , blah blah blah...

--- snip ---
A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 16, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Upstairs at McGovern's
225 W 7th St
St Paul, MN 55102
--- snip ---

     Jima


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri May 16 09:51:11 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B5@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305160948140.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Fri, 16 May 2003 Ryan Ware wrote:
> 	Nuts.  It is a lot better if you can swing it.  Ide mtbf is not
> great.  You guys only got a year or so on those didn't you.  I suppose no
> warranty anymore.  

 You're welcome to donate SCSI hardware for a TCLUG FTP server. :P

     Jima


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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Fri May 16 09:58:11 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B7@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jima [SMTP:jima@beer.tclug.org]
> Sent:	Friday, May 16, 2003 9:51 AM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	[TCLUG] RE: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions
> 
> On Fri, 16 May 2003 Ryan Ware wrote:
> > 	Nuts.  It is a lot better if you can swing it.  Ide mtbf is not
> > great.  You guys only got a year or so on those didn't you.  I suppose
> no
> > warranty anymore.  
> 
>  You're welcome to donate SCSI hardware for a TCLUG FTP server. :P
> 
>      Jima
> 
	Darn, you should have asked last week, I just gave away my last
Compaq MSA 1000 :(

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Fri May 16 12:50:08 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>

Hey all

just a few words about the StrictlyBusiness Expo

It went VERY well, probably because we were selling RedHat9 CDs for $2.00 
a set. 

The TCLUG/TCSA booth was one of the busiest in the expo (IMHO) and people 
were very recepetive to using Linux.

Special thanks goes to DATA Publications from Ramsey Minnesota. They were 
very generous and provided the use of their CD duplication machines so 
that we can hand out the ~100sets of RedHat 9 CDs.

They were VERY helpful and i would like to ask you to make use of their 
services for your CD mass duplication needs.

on that note, for the next expo we go to, i would like to propose that we 
make use of their services to make several hundred copies of <insert 
latest release here> 

for orders of over 1000 we can get the CDs pressed rather than use CDRs... 
at that number the cost to us would be around 60cents/CD with free 
delivery

we also get to put the TCLUG logo and info on the CDs....


Yes we do not do advertising/SPAM to the list but these guys helped us out 
a LOT and a special thanks is necessary.

-- 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 16 12:52:10 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going d	
 own for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619B5@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305161250440.12218-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 16 May 2003, RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM wrote:
> Nuts.  It is a lot better if you can swing it.  Ide mtbf is not great.
> You guys only got a year or so on those didn't you.  I suppose no
> warranty anymore.

Well, I've had pretty decent luck with the Western Digital SE drives..
only seen a couple of those fail out of all the ones I've installed.

These were the original 160gb drives.. they suck.  :(

I'm looking forward to decent-sized Western Digital Raptor drives - those
should be more reliable.. at least, they are willing to throw a 5-year
warranty on 'em. Plus 10k rpm, and Serial-ATA should rock.  :)

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From clay at fandre.com  Fri May 16 12:56:53 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <20030516175653.GG32165@fandre.com>

And a very special thanks to the volunteers helped out this year,
including Real-Time Enterprises. I wish I could have been down there
helping out, but with the help of the volunteers it sounds like it was
a great success.

Next year we'll have to hit up some of the vendors beforehand and have
them send us some goodies.

Thanks again.

-- Clay

On Fri, 16 May 2003, Munir Nassar wrote:

> Hey all
> 
> just a few words about the StrictlyBusiness Expo
> 
> It went VERY well, probably because we were selling RedHat9 CDs for $2.00 
> a set. 
> 
> The TCLUG/TCSA booth was one of the busiest in the expo (IMHO) and people 
> were very recepetive to using Linux.
> 
> Special thanks goes to DATA Publications from Ramsey Minnesota. They were 
> very generous and provided the use of their CD duplication machines so 
> that we can hand out the ~100sets of RedHat 9 CDs.
> 
> They were VERY helpful and i would like to ask you to make use of their 
> services for your CD mass duplication needs.
> 
> on that note, for the next expo we go to, i would like to propose that we 
> make use of their services to make several hundred copies of <insert 
> latest release here> 
> 
> for orders of over 1000 we can get the CDs pressed rather than use CDRs... 
> at that number the cost to us would be around 60cents/CD with free 
> delivery
> 
> we also get to put the TCLUG logo and info on the CDs....
> 
> 
> Yes we do not do advertising/SPAM to the list but these guys helped us out 
> a LOT and a special thanks is necessary.
> 

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May 16 13:43:39 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 16 May 2003 12:50 pm, Munir Nassar wrote:
> Hey all
>
> just a few words about the StrictlyBusiness Expo

How did the knoppix cds go?


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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May 16 13:46:28 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161232080.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net> <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030516184628.GI25559@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 01:43:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
>On Friday 16 May 2003 12:50 pm, Munir Nassar wrote:
>> Hey all
>>
>> just a few words about the StrictlyBusiness Expo
>
>How did the knoppix cds go?

fast.

We tried to talk to each person that took a cd, explain what it was all
about.  People were VERY interested.  We didn't have a great box for a
live demo on the first day though.  I think in the future we should have
a dedicated demo laptop/wkstn.

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Fri May 16 14:22:38 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>

On Fri, 16 May 2003, Bob Tanner wrote:

> On Friday 16 May 2003 12:50 pm, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > Hey all
> >
> > just a few words about the StrictlyBusiness Expo
> 
> How did the knoppix cds go?

about noonish the second day we had to burn knoppix CDs

but our emphasis in burning was RedHat9

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From florin at iucha.net  Fri May 16 14:32:48 2003
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
References: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <20030516193248.GE11884@iucha.net>

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 02:22:38PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > How did the knoppix cds go?
> about noonish the second day we had to burn knoppix CDs
> 
> but our emphasis in burning was RedHat9

SCO will get you, SCO will get you, SCO will get you...

Munir, turn yourself in, maybe you'll get a deal 8^) ROTFLMAO.
Make sure to give them names...

florin

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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Fri May 16 14:34:21 2003
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
References: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
        <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <2145.207.67.6.29.1053113661.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net>

> about noonish the second day we had to burn knoppix CDs
>
> but our emphasis in burning was RedHat9

Your emphasis on "burning" should have been on the MSCE training booth
that was nearby!

:P

Josh



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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri May 16 15:10:04 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <20030516193248.GE11884@iucha.net>
References: <200305161343.39932@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161421570.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net> 
	<20030516193248.GE11884@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <1053115804.10254.1515.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:32, Florin Iucha wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 02:22:38PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > but our emphasis in burning was RedHat9
> 
> SCO will get you, SCO will get you, SCO will get you...

About that -- did a lot of people bring up SCO in conversation there?

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri May 16 15:55:23 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <1053115804.10254.1515.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161554270.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On 16 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:32, Florin Iucha wrote:
> > SCO will get you, SCO will get you, SCO will get you...
> 
> About that -- did a lot of people bring up SCO in conversation there?

 The only one I heard was my boss when he showed up.

     Jima


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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Fri May 16 17:23:13 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business Booth
In-Reply-To: <1053115804.10254.1515.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161722390.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>

On 16 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:32, Florin Iucha wrote:
> > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 02:22:38PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > > but our emphasis in burning was RedHat9
> > 
> > SCO will get you, SCO will get you, SCO will get you...
> 
> About that -- did a lot of people bring up SCO in conversation there?

i think once or so... looks like nobody even heard about it... or cares.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 16 17:25:59 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down
 for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305151850380.6181-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305161724210.12218-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> Well, I think I'll let 3ware's 'forced rebuild' run overnight, and see
> if it can manage to shuffle together a filesystem that can be mounted
> again. If not.. time to download a whole bunch of crap again, and buy
> some hot spare disks.

A combination of a forced rebuild (which never finished due to drive
timeouts) and fsck managed to get the filesystem mountable again.. and as
far as i can tell most of the data is actually still there! One of the
drives is giving the click of death, though.. *grin*

Sucking data down to a couple firewire drives; hopefully be able to get
most of it, and then get the maxtor drives out of there and rebuild the
data on the WD drives.

Short of it is that Gladiator will be down this weekend, but should be
able to get it back up on Monday.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May 16 22:48:24 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DOS bootable floppy -> linux -> bootable cdrom?
Message-ID: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com>

I got a DOS bootable floppy, I want to use linux to create a bootable cdrom.
Anyone know how to do this?

I thought it would be easy, but I must be approaching the problem wrong.

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Fri May 16 23:02:05 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DOS bootable floppy -> linux -> bootable cdrom?
In-Reply-To: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 10:48:24PM -0500
References: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030516230205.A19488@thinkunix.net>

haven't tried this but it might work:

mkdir /tmp/work
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/work/dosdisk.img
cd /tmp/work
mkisofs -v -r -T -J -b /tmp/work/dosdisk.img -o /tmp/cdrom.img .
cdrecord -v /tmp/cdrom.img

otherwise, google about...

Bob Tanner wrote:
> I got a DOS bootable floppy, I want to use linux to create a bootable cdrom.
> Anyone know how to do this?
> 
> I thought it would be easy, but I must be approaching the problem wrong.
> 
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May 16 23:11:24 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DOS bootable floppy -> linux -> bootable cdrom?
In-Reply-To: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com>
References: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <2000.192.1.1.15.1053144684.squirrel@dccmn.com>

I think what your asking is that you want to add an eltorito boot image.

Here's a web site with something close to what you want.
http://www.partimage.org/doc/index-4.html

All you need to do is create a image of your diskette drive with something
like:

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=imagefile

Then use the imagefile for your .eltorito file.

Disclaimer: I've never done this, just watched over a sholder.  Your
mileage may vary.

Bob Tanner said:
> I got a DOS bootable floppy, I want to use linux to create a bootable
> cdrom. Anyone know how to do this?
>
> I thought it would be easy, but I must be approaching the problem wrong.
>
> --
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From mcolivier at earthlink.net  Sun May 18 01:43:37 2003
From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] initialization problem
Message-ID: <200305180143.37900.mcolivier@earthlink.net>

Hello. 
I'm running SuSE Linux 8.1 and can't get my Zip drive recognized and mounted. 
I've gone into YAST 2, but I get nowhere. Anyone else have this problem and 
how do I fix it? I am now at the stage I am creating files I'd like to save 
elsewhere in case I crash my hard drive. (I have windows on another 
partition). 

Marc

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Sat May 17 09:44:25 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] initialization problem
In-Reply-To: <200305180143.37900.mcolivier@earthlink.net>; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Sun, May 18, 2003 at 01:43:37AM -0500
References: <200305180143.37900.mcolivier@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030517094425.B5585@thinkunix.net>

what kind of zip drive?  internal IDE? external SCSI or external
parallel port?

Setting up Iomega ZIP parallel port drive:
1. Zip drive uses /dev/sda4 so:		ln -s /dev/sda4 /dev/zip

2. Add following to /etc/fstab:
/dev/zip        /mnt/zip        vfat    noauto	 0 0

3. Uses ppa.o kernel module (parallel port adapter)
        insmod /lib/modules/<kernel-ver>/scsi/pppa.o

4. mkdir /mnt/zip
5. mount /mnt/zip; use the drive; when done umount /mnt/zip

If it's scsi, your scsi controller should see the device on boot up,
assuming the device is connected and powered up when you boot your pc.
check 'dmesg|more'

Not sure about how the IDE internal one show up.  I thought as a special
kind of floppy but I could be wrong.


Marc Olivier wrote:
> Hello. 
> I'm running SuSE Linux 8.1 and can't get my Zip drive recognized and mounted. 
> I've gone into YAST 2, but I get nowhere. Anyone else have this problem and 
> how do I fix it? I am now at the stage I am creating files I'd like to save 
> elsewhere in case I crash my hard drive. (I have windows on another 
> partition). 
> 
> Marc
> 
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Sat May 17 09:53:50 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] initialization problem
In-Reply-To: <20030517094425.B5585@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305170948330.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Sat, 17 May 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> Not sure about how the IDE internal one show up.  I thought as a special
> kind of floppy but I could be wrong.

 Nope:

# dmesg | grep 'hdd'
hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive
hdd: No disk in drive
hdd: 98304kB, 32/64/96 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm

 In this case the device Scot referred to would be /dev/hdd4.  Assuming 
it was FAT-formatted, anyway; as I recall, HFS (MacOS filesystem) Zip 
disks used a different partition.  Kind of an interesting concept...
 As for using using an IDE Zip drive, Scot's instructions should work 
fine.

     Jima


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From dante at argle.org  Thu May 15 14:06:29 2003
From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:

> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, May 14, 2003),
>  Daniel Taylor was madly tapping out:
> > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:48:19AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to see
> > > > perl gone also. For a production firewall you want nothing that
> > > > makes it any easier for an intruder to install software on the
> > > > computer than necessary. Of course, this means that you have to
> > > > do all of your binary production on a compatible dev system, but
> > > > that is as it should be.
> > >
> > > Until they just scp their staticly linked programs in. Not having
> > > a compiler on the system does nothing for security.
> > >
> > It eliminates entire classes of attack. There is no such thing as
> > perfect security, but why make it any easier for the bad guys than
> > you have to?
> >
> > Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they _have_ to
> > have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the system.
> >
> > This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks, and
> > ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your system with
> > the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)
>
> this might stop the script kiddie - but it's not going to stop a
> seasoned pro.  rule one - make sure you have infrastructure to
> bootstrap your rootkit independent of access to a compiler, build
> yerself infrastructure.  when people pull this logic out it always
> cracks me up.  what you really need is an environment that doesn't
> support user code.   the pros have the ability to insert statically
> linked executables on the fly from their own infrastructure.
>
Right. It stops script kiddies. It stops self-recompiling worms.
It leaves attacks directed at your hardware/software combination
and attacks directed at you by pros.

This is essentially what I said above.

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From dante at argle.org  Fri May 16 10:32:34 2003
From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <3EC45C51.1070000@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305161030370.9429-100000@cu.argle.org>

On Thu, 15 May 2003, Eric Estabrooks wrote:

>
> > Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they _have_ to
> > have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the system.
> >
> > This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks, and
> > ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your system with
> > the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)
> >
>
> Unless you've gotten rid of all shells on the box (bash, ash, tcsh, ...)
> you haven't elimitated cross platform automated attacks at all.  The
> fact is if there is any interpreter on the box an automated bootstrap
> can happen.
>
> I agree that not having the compilers on there will slow them down but
> not by much.
>
> Even better is to use any of the kernel security patches that prevent
> executable stacks and watch for buffer overflows, they slow things down
> a little but worth the security if its a mission critical box.
>
True. For a hard-core firewall box you want to eliminate all GP
scriptable programs from the system. I do believe that shells
qualify as interpreters however (even though it is easy to forget
that they are).

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Sun May 18 00:24:02 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <20030518052402.GL1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:06:29PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:

> Right. It stops script kiddies. It stops self-recompiling worms.
> It leaves attacks directed at your hardware/software combination
> and attacks directed at you by pros.

How does this stop script kiddies? They've already rooted you, game over.

Just because they can't get their rootkit to compile
doesn't mean they won't get frustrated and just rm -rf /


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From mj at jentges.net  Sun May 18 01:35:07 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030518052402.GL1443@techmonkeys.org>
References: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org>
        <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
        <20030518052402.GL1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <1435.199.199.150.6.1053239707.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

>> Right. It stops script kiddies. It stops self-recompiling worms. It
>> leaves attacks directed at your hardware/software combination and
>> attacks directed at you by pros.
>
> How does this stop script kiddies? They've already rooted you, game
> over.
>
> Just because they can't get their rootkit to compile
> doesn't mean they won't get frustrated and just rm -rf /
>
Or simply install what they need to MAKE it compile?

-mj
>
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sun May 18 01:38:31 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <1053239912.10254.1559.camel@3po.thodt.net>

Regarding this, one of the more unique tricks I've seen is to pretty
much shutdown the system but keep the kernel running.  I'm not exactly
sure how this is done, probably something along the lines of killing
most of the running software and then convincing init to exec() a
do-nothing program.  I think it's even possible to run without having a
filesystem mounted (though it might be nice to at least have a logger of
some kind running).

Basically, at this point, no new software can be executed.  However,
it'd theoretically be possible for an attacker to reboot the machine,
and then break in the period between when it boots up and when it goes
into the pseudo-shutdown mode.  There's a remote possibility that a new
kernel module could be loaded too, but that's probably stretching it
quite a bit.

I'm too tired to go look for a link now, but I'm pretty sure it was
mentioned on Slashdot at some point, and Google could probably help out.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Sun May 18 02:07:11 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] initialization problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305170948330.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
References: <20030517094425.B5585@thinkunix.net>
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Message-ID: <20030518020711.7582efad.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:53:50 -0500 (CDT)
Jima <jima@beer.tclug.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 May 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> > Not sure about how the IDE internal one show up.  I thought as a
> > special kind of floppy but I could be wrong.
> 
>  Nope:
> 
> # dmesg | grep 'hdd'
> hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive
> hdd: No disk in drive
> hdd: 98304kB, 32/64/96 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm
> 
>  In this case the device Scot referred to would be /dev/hdd4. 
>  Assuming 
> it was FAT-formatted, anyway; as I recall, HFS (MacOS filesystem) Zip 
> disks used a different partition.  Kind of an interesting concept...
>  As for using using an IDE Zip drive, Scot's instructions should work 
> fine.
> 
wouldn't the easier way be if it's an external Zip be to:

/dev/sda4 /zip vfat noauto,user,exec 0 0

then:
modprome imm

then:
mount /zip

If it's an internal IDE, for me it always depends upon where it is in the chain.  typically, now it' /dev/hdb /zip vfat noauto,user,exec 0 0

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Sun May 18 05:32:27 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <1053239912.10254.1559.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org> <1053239912.10254.1559.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20030518103227.GM1443@techmonkeys.org>

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 01:38:31AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Regarding this, one of the more unique tricks I've seen is to pretty
> much shutdown the system but keep the kernel running.  I'm not exactly
> sure how this is done, probably something along the lines of killing
> most of the running software and then convincing init to exec() a
> do-nothing program.  I think it's even possible to run without having a
> filesystem mounted (though it might be nice to at least have a logger of
> some kind running).
> 
[snip]

Yes, if a linux box is shutdown (kill -9 -1), without APM support
(so it doesn't turn it off) and without any pesty init scripts taking down
an interface or whatnot, it will happily continue to route traffic and act
as a NAT gateway or whatnot. 

Not very useful for an ipcop box, which usually has an ipsec tunnel or two,
squid, httpd, and a few other things.


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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Sun May 18 06:21:29 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <20030518052402.GL1443@techmonkeys.org>
References: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org> <20030518052402.GL1443@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <20030518112129.GA97535@botwerks.org>

when last we saw our hero (Sunday, May 18, 2003), 
 Matthew S. Hallacy was madly tapping out:
> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:06:29PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:
> 
> > Right. It stops script kiddies. It stops self-recompiling worms.
> > It leaves attacks directed at your hardware/software combination
> > and attacks directed at you by pros.
> 
> How does this stop script kiddies? They've already rooted you, game
> over.
> 
> Just because they can't get their rootkit to compile doesn't mean
> they won't get frustrated and just rm -rf /

some exploits don't become full-on rootings until a rootkit can be
assembled.  a host may be compromised enough to enable the party to
place the rootkit on the host and have mortal execution privileges,
without necessarily having root.   

in the above you seem to be stating that compromise == compromise of
root. which i would say, is not necessarily true.  

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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Sun May 18 06:27:51 2003
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
References: <20030515185104.GA57023@botwerks.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305151403300.5146-100000@cu.argle.org>
Message-ID: <20030518112751.GB97535@botwerks.org>

when last we saw our hero (Thursday, May 15, 2003), 
 Daniel Taylor was madly tapping out:
> On Thu, 15 May 2003, steve ulrich wrote:
> 
> > when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, May 14, 2003),
> >  Daniel Taylor was madly tapping out:
> > > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:48:19AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As security features go it is a pretty good one. I'd like to
> > > > > see perl gone also. For a production firewall you want
> > > > > nothing that makes it any easier for an intruder to install
> > > > > software on the computer than necessary. Of course, this
> > > > > means that you have to do all of your binary production on a
> > > > > compatible dev system, but that is as it should be.
> > > >
> > > > Until they just scp their staticly linked programs in. Not
> > > > having a compiler on the system does nothing for security.
> > > >
> > > It eliminates entire classes of attack. There is no such thing
> > > as perfect security, but why make it any easier for the bad guys
> > > than you have to?
> > >
> > > Not having a compiler/interpreter on the system means they
> > > _have_ to have pre-compiled static/compatible binaries for the
> > > system.
> > >
> > > This pretty much eliminates cross platform automated attacks,
> > > and ensures that _your_ attacker will have to approach your
> > > system with the personal attention and TLC that it deserves ;)
> >
> > this might stop the script kiddie - but it's not going to stop a
> > seasoned pro.  rule one - make sure you have infrastructure to
> > bootstrap your rootkit independent of access to a compiler, build
> > yerself infrastructure.  when people pull this logic out it always
> > cracks me up.  what you really need is an environment that doesn't
> > support user code.   the pros have the ability to insert
> > statically linked executables on the fly from their own
> > infrastructure.
> >
> Right. It stops script kiddies. It stops self-recompiling worms.  It
> leaves attacks directed at your hardware/software combination and
> attacks directed at you by pros.
> 
> This is essentially what I said above.

very true. i hopped into this thread in the wrong spot.  it bears
noting that in some circles, automation of the above is already taking
place in some frighteningly small insertion kits. which seem to be
making their way into the hands of script kiddies.  it's for this
reason that i personally won't run a fw on a general purpose platform.  

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Sun May 18 09:50:36 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] can I hack this to work?
In-Reply-To: <1053239912.10254.1559.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305180947580.1778-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>

On 18 May 2003, Mike Hicks wrote:

> Regarding this, one of the more unique tricks I've seen is to pretty
> much shutdown the system but keep the kernel running.  I'm not exactly
> sure how this is done, probably something along the lines of killing
> most of the running software and then convincing init to exec() a
> do-nothing program.  I think it's even possible to run without having a
> filesystem mounted (though it might be nice to at least have a logger of
> some kind running).

iirc this was a "feature" of the 2.2.x kernels... it would continue to 
route traffic and obey ipchains when it was in fact halted

if i also recall correctly the 2.4.x kernels did something differently in 
halted mode that it did not work

Munir Nassar


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From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com  Sun May 18 17:28:12 2003
From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DOS bootable floppy -> linux -> bootable cdrom?
References: <20030516224824.I23073@real-time.com> <2000.192.1.1.15.1053144684.squirrel@dccmn.com>
Message-ID: <3EC808FC.3151B2EA@reuter-engineering.com>

I've made bootable cdroms following the Bootdisk HOWTO:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html

It's basically the following two commands:

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=boot.img bs=10k count=144
mkisofs -r -b boot/boot.img -c boot/boot.catalog -o bootcd.iso .

Hope this helps.

Jon Reuter


Wayne Johnson wrote:

> I think what your asking is that you want to add an eltorito boot image.
>
> Here's a web site with something close to what you want.
> http://www.partimage.org/doc/index-4.html
>
> All you need to do is create a image of your diskette drive with something
> like:
>
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=imagefile
>
> Then use the imagefile for your .eltorito file.
>
> Disclaimer: I've never done this, just watched over a sholder.  Your
> mileage may vary.
>
> Bob Tanner said:
> > I got a DOS bootable floppy, I want to use linux to create a bootable
> > cdrom. Anyone know how to do this?
> >
> > I thought it would be easy, but I must be approaching the problem wrong.
> >
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From jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 11:07:49 2003
From: jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Rasmussen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable CD-ROMs
Message-ID: <20030519160749.20845.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com>

I have had very good luck using http://nu2.nu/bootablecd/ to easily
create DOS bootable CD-ROMs.  It uses a GPL type of license but the
utilities are built for Windows but they have a way of creating a
bootable CD with multiple OS images including linux.

It's a great way to have your DOS and U*nx utilities on the same CD.

Jeff Rasmussen

Message: 13
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:48:24 -0500
From: Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] DOS bootable floppy -> linux -> bootable cdrom?
Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org

I got a DOS bootable floppy, I want to use linux to create a bootable
cdrom.
Anyone know how to do this?

I thought it would be easy, but I must be approaching the problem
wrong.

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From confundido at multiband.tv  Mon May 19 13:35:49 2003
From: confundido at multiband.tv (Nathan Syverson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] WINE-perfect?
In-Reply-To: <200305021203.AA1309212770@mail.iglide.net>
References: <200305021203.AA1309212770@mail.iglide.net>
Message-ID: <200305191335.49483.confundido@multiband.tv>

I'm surprised why you would be asking about WordPerfect and wine when a linux 
version exists.  I own a copy.  (I think)  But I don't use it.  I use Open 
Office.org 1.0.  Anyway I would look into the linux version of WP 10 before 
worrying about wine.....

NAS

On Friday 02 May 2003 01:03 pm, Wil wrote:
> I'm about *this* close to cutting Winders loose on the laptop. A
> couple of things that are left to iron out... Does anybody have
> experience with WINE and WordPerfect v10? And eTools (D&D
> character generator - designed for/requiring IE5.5 *never got it
> to work with* or IE6.0 *works fine, but it's IE!!)
>
> On a semi-related subject, anybody have SuSE8.2 iso's yet - that
> would be going to the beermeeting tonight? Happily ensure you have
> an off-site backup that are fully functional! <8-)
>
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From amy at real-time.com  Tue May 20 10:25:45 2003
From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] KDM
Message-ID: <20030520152544.GB5444@real-time.com>

We've been using GDM but I thought I'd give KDM a try.  Our current
environment requires kerberos password and securID code to login.  I have
no problem accomplishing this with GDM using the pam_krb5afs module.
When I login to GDM, it first prompts just for username.  After entering,
that it prompts for password.  After entering that, it prompts for securID code.

KDM, on the other hand, prompts for both username & password at one
time.  I looked at /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc but didn't see anything obvious
that would help me.  Is there a way to get KDM to behave similarly?

Any ideas?  Thanks.
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 20 10:27:43 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS to license SCO Unix code?
Message-ID: <20030520102743.15fe2ab1.sfertch@real-time.com>

anyone see this?

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-1007528.html

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Tue May 20 10:42:33 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS to license SCO Unix code?
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF619EC@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Shawn [SMTP:sfertch@real-time.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:28 AM
> To:	TCLUG
> Subject:	[TCLUG] MS to license SCO Unix code?
> 
> anyone see this?
> 
> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-1007528.html
> 
> -- 
> Shawn
> 
> 
	Rather than just sending a box of money to SCO to pay for David, MS
decided to license something, then send the box of money and make the whole
*nix community wonder what they are planning.  They aren't planning
anything.  It is a convenient way for them to help fund SCO.

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From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu  Tue May 20 10:42:45 2003
From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS to license SCO Unix code?
Message-ID: <seca06b0.074@fm-gw.facm.umn.edu>

Yup. Was posted to /. yesterday. See here
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/19/1055223&mode=nested&tid=109&tid=190&tid=185&tid=130&tid=187
for a few more links and all the standard /. ms-bashing.

>>> sfertch@real-time.com 05/20/03 10:27AM >>>
anyone see this?

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-1007528.html 

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From sraun at fireopal.org  Tue May 20 10:46:28 2003
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS to license SCO Unix code?
In-Reply-To: <20030520102743.15fe2ab1.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030520102743.15fe2ab1.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030520154628.GC5928@fireopal.org>

On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:27:43AM -0500, Shawn wrote:
> anyone see this?
> 
> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-1007528.html

Heard about it - it ties in to this in many ways:

http://www.sco.com/scosource/complaint3.06.03.html

Consensus on another list is that MS is doing it for two reasons -
first, to help fund the SCO vs. IBM suit; and second, to create FUD in
CIO/CTO's and reduce the chances of them running to Linux.

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From cdf123 at cdf123.com  Tue May 20 12:11:46 2003
From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
Message-ID: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>

This is probably off topic, but I don't know who else to ask and I'm
sure there are quite a few people here who could answer this.

I'm running Linux on a Compaq Presario 2700 laptop, this cam with a 20
gig hard drive.  Now that I've gotten my CD library copied to mp3s, I'd
like to take it with me on the laptop.  20 gig is no longer enough
space, so I searched (a lot) on the HP website and found a 40 gig hard
drive for ~$500.  I know that there's a lot in a laptop that's specific
to its model and make, but can't you use a hard drive from a different
manufacturer (say this one
http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72856378?aucview=0x17),
or is the hardware on a laptop so locked together that you're stuck with
the original manufacturer's parts and high prices?  

Side note: I know desktop PCs follow a certain form factor (AT/ATX) to
make sure the parts are compatible, is there anything like that for
laptops?

Thanks
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From barnabas at knicknack.net  Tue May 20 12:34:30 2003
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
In-Reply-To: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
References: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
Message-ID: <200305201234.31569.barnabas@knicknack.net>

If your MP3 collection is < 20 Gb, check out http://neurosaudio.com.  They 
have an MP3 player that will hold 20 Gb of data for less than that hard 
drive.  I don't have one but I'm seriously considering it once they come out 
with support for Ogg Vorbis.  Anyone else have one?

Eric

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 12:11, Chris Frederick wrote:
> This is probably off topic, but I don't know who else to ask and I'm
> sure there are quite a few people here who could answer this.
>
> I'm running Linux on a Compaq Presario 2700 laptop, this cam with a 20
> gig hard drive.  Now that I've gotten my CD library copied to mp3s, I'd
> like to take it with me on the laptop.  20 gig is no longer enough
> space, so I searched (a lot) on the HP website and found a 40 gig hard
> drive for ~$500.  I know that there's a lot in a laptop that's specific
> to its model and make, but can't you use a hard drive from a different
> manufacturer (say this one
> http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72856378?aucview=0x17),
> or is the hardware on a laptop so locked together that you're stuck with
> the original manufacturer's parts and high prices?
>
> Side note: I know desktop PCs follow a certain form factor (AT/ATX) to
> make sure the parts are compatible, is there anything like that for
> laptops?
>
> Thanks


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From cgahlon at citilink.com  Tue May 20 12:45:26 2003
From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
In-Reply-To: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
References: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
Message-ID: <200305201245.26942.cgahlon@citilink.com>

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 12:11 pm, Chris Frederick wrote:
> I know that there's a lot in a laptop that's specific
> to its model and make, but can't you use a hard drive from a different
> manufacturer (say this one
> http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72856378?aucview=0x17),
> or is the hardware on a laptop so locked together that you're stuck with
> the original manufacturer's parts and high prices?

The IDE interface is generic on modern laptops.  The issue is the connector.
HP/Dell/Gateway/whoever gouge you for huge $$ is they sell the drive inside a 
special sled/carrier/cartridge/whatever with the correct adapter/connector to 
plug into your brand/model laptop.

You can just take your old drive out of it's carrier and replace it with the 
new one.  I've done it many times.  Works great and never had a problem.

> Side note: I know desktop PCs follow a certain form factor (AT/ATX) to
> make sure the parts are compatible, is there anything like that for
> laptops?

Some laptop drives are "double height".  Measure the dimensions on your's and 
buy one with the same dimensions.  Although you can usually put a "slim" into 
a "double" carrier as long as it has screws (not tension fit).

http://googlegear.com/ is your friend.   40GB for $122  and it's a 5400RPM.
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101606

They have larger drives too.  But cost more. :-)

Then go buy a cheap USB carrier for your old drive and use it as a backup 
device:  

Most of them will run 4200RPM drives off the USB bus.  I my experience the 
5400RPM drives need the power cable.  This one comes with a pass-through PS/2 
power cord for drives that need it. Much coolness in that.

http://www.auctionelf.com/torusbhden.html
(Note: this is a USB 1.1 not USB2, those cost more)


Ciao,
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 "Friends don't let friends install MS junk!"
    - Unknown

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 20 12:53:19 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: Gladiator Down/LVM Questions  [Was: [TCLUG] Gladiator going down
 for a bit]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305161724210.12218-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305201251320.16217-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 16 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> Short of it is that Gladiator will be down this weekend, but should be
> able to get it back up on Monday.

well, restoring the data from the drives took a bit longer than expected,
but gladiator's back up now.

data i was not able to back up before the drives totally croaked:
- ximian mirror
- linux kernel mirror
- yellowdog linux mirror

note that there may be a few corrupted files on gladiator now; if you run
into one, please let us know. if there are any, the mirror scripts should
take care of finding them, though. i did do some random spot checks
(comparing md5sums on various files), and didn't find anything that was
corrupted, though.

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Tue May 20 12:54:47 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D354D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

My god!!!! That thing is amazing....if it made coffee I would sell my house and live in that thing!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:35 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives

If your MP3 collection is < 20 Gb, check out http://neurosaudio.com.  They 
have an MP3 player that will hold 20 Gb of data for less than that hard 
drive.  I don't have one but I'm seriously considering it once they come out 
with support for Ogg Vorbis.  Anyone else have one?

Eric


From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 20 12:57:16 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
In-Reply-To: <1053450706.2317.29.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305201253370.16217-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On 20 May 2003, Chris Frederick wrote:
> I know that there's a lot in a laptop that's specific to its model and
> make, but can't you use a hard drive from a different manufacturer
> (say this one
> http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72856378?aucview=0x17),
> or is the hardware on a laptop so locked together that you're stuck
> with the original manufacturer's parts and high prices?

You can generally use a drive from any vendor, as long as it physically
fits into the laptop (some laptops can only take slimmer drives, for
example.. can't remember the exact heights.) They do use a standardized
44-pin (iirc) connector that provides both power and ide.

Computer Geeks has decent prices on laptop drives.. 40gb for $120. I've
had good luck with the reliability of Toshiba notebook drives.. other
people may disagree.  :)

Another option is to purchase a firewire enclosure and a drive that'll fit
into that.. you'll get pretty decent speeds off it, and pay a lot less if
you go with one of the 3.5" enclosures.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 20 13:00:41 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305201253370.16217-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305201300240.16217-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 20 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:
> Computer Geeks has decent prices on laptop drives.. 40gb for $120.
> I've had good luck with the reliability of Toshiba notebook drives..
> other people may disagree.  :)

Ugh.. forgot to paste in the url!

http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD

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From david at acz.org  Tue May 20 19:58:11 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D354D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <012701c31f34$0d6aa840$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Lansing, Dan writes:
> My god!!!! That thing is amazing....if it made coffee I would sell my
> house and live in that thing!!!

What makes that better than an iPod?  It only has USB 1.1.  It is going to
take a long time to transfer 20gb compared to USB 2.0 or FireWire.

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Wed May 21 07:16:02 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D354E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

The radio broadcast option...record from radio....the option to remove it from the 20GB drive for a very small 128MB player...built-in mike....ogg vorbis....Linux support....it has way more built-in toys....

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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:58 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives


What makes that better than an iPod?  It only has USB 1.1.  It is going to
take a long time to transfer 20gb compared to USB 2.0 or FireWire.

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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Wed May 21 10:11:38 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kickstart Config GUI on RH9
Message-ID: <secb50e0.080@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

Hey LUG!

Has anyone had success getting a network 
install to work via a kickstart config produced 
with the Kickstart Config GUI on RH9? 

I've had an error message during the install 
about "failed to set default route" (on the F4 
or F5 console), which of course would be a 
problem for a network install. I haven't had time 
to investigate further (beyond a cursory 
googling), and I don't know if it is a kickstart 
problem or a problem with the 'ks.cfg' the GUI 
spit out. A manual network install seemed to 
work just fine (same box, same everything else).

Anyone know, hear, or suspect anything about 
this problem?

Thanks in advance for any time spent,

Troy

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From kremer at ringworld.org  Wed May 21 10:59:23 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kickstart Config GUI on RH9
In-Reply-To: <secb50e0.080@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305211055000.8789-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

I'm actually in a RHCE class working on a lab of that exact subject as I
type this (well...not working, since i'm typing this)
It sounds to me like it would be a problem with the ks.cfg file that the
GUI produced for you.
Did you take a look through the file it produced to see if there were any
suspect lines in there?  Otherwise, you might consider attaching the text
of the ks.cfg file and someone else might notice something that you
missed.
I know it's not an error with kickstart in general, since my instructor
says he uses kickstart to automatically configure "pre-broken" redhat
installs for the students to fix during the test.

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

> Has anyone had success getting a network
> install to work via a kickstart config produced
> with the Kickstart Config GUI on RH9?
>
> I've had an error message during the install
> about "failed to set default route" (on the F4
> or F5 console), which of course would be a
> problem for a network install. I haven't had time
> to investigate further (beyond a cursory
> googling), and I don't know if it is a kickstart
> problem or a problem with the 'ks.cfg' the GUI
> spit out. A manual network install seemed to
> work just fine (same box, same everything else).

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But glittering prizes and endless compromises
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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Wed May 21 11:21:00 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Kickstart Config GUI on RH9
Message-ID: <secb6139.025@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

I found the error. I don't know, but I assume I 
screwed up the netmask (which would do it). 
 
I will try to create another config file and see 
if that produces a fubar-ed netmask, in the 
vain hope that I didn't mess it up. :-)

Thanks for the direction and enjoy the class!

Troy

>>> kremer@ringworld.org 05/21/03 10:59AM >>>
I'm actually in a RHCE class working on a lab of that exact subject as I
type this (well...not working, since i'm typing this)
It sounds to me like it would be a problem with the ks.cfg file that the
GUI produced for you.
Did you take a look through the file it produced to see if there were any
suspect lines in there?  Otherwise, you might consider attaching the text
of the ks.cfg file and someone else might notice something that you
missed.
I know it's not an error with kickstart in general, since my instructor
says he uses kickstart to automatically configure "pre-broken" redhat
installs for the students to fix during the test.

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone had success getting a network
> install to work via a kickstart config produced
> with the Kickstart Config GUI on RH9?
> I've had an error message during the install
> about "failed to set default route" (on the F4
> or F5 console), which of course would be a
> problem for a network install. I haven't had time
> to investigate further (beyond a cursory
> googling), and I don't know if it is a kickstart
> problem or a problem with the 'ks.cfg' the GUI
> spit out. A manual network install seemed to
> work just fine (same box, same everything else).


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From tommyo at dolemite.org  Wed May 21 11:38:04 2003
From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cooperative isp
References: <secb6139.025@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom>

Hello everyone,

I am thinking of starting what I call a cooperative ISP in my townhome
community.  Basically we will be getting a broadband connection and sharing
it with wireless hardware among 3 buildings.. Somewhere between 100-150
users.  I was wondering if anyone has any advice for software (preferably
open source) that we could use to manage access and billing.

Sorry this is off topic....

Thanks!

TOM!


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From: "Troy.A Johnson" <troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kickstart Config GUI on RH9


> I found the error. I don't know, but I assume I
> screwed up the netmask (which would do it).
>
> I will try to create another config file and see
> if that produces a fubar-ed netmask, in the
> vain hope that I didn't mess it up. :-)
>
> Thanks for the direction and enjoy the class!
>
> Troy
>
> >>> kremer@ringworld.org 05/21/03 10:59AM >>>
> I'm actually in a RHCE class working on a lab of that exact subject as I
> type this (well...not working, since i'm typing this)
> It sounds to me like it would be a problem with the ks.cfg file that the
> GUI produced for you.
> Did you take a look through the file it produced to see if there were any
> suspect lines in there?  Otherwise, you might consider attaching the text
> of the ks.cfg file and someone else might notice something that you
> missed.
> I know it's not an error with kickstart in general, since my instructor
> says he uses kickstart to automatically configure "pre-broken" redhat
> installs for the students to fix during the test.
>
> On Wed, 21 May 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> > Has anyone had success getting a network
> > install to work via a kickstart config produced
> > with the Kickstart Config GUI on RH9?
> > I've had an error message during the install
> > about "failed to set default route" (on the F4
> > or F5 console), which of course would be a
> > problem for a network install. I haven't had time
> > to investigate further (beyond a cursory
> > googling), and I don't know if it is a kickstart
> > problem or a problem with the 'ks.cfg' the GUI
> > spit out. A manual network install seemed to
> > work just fine (same box, same everything else).
>
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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Wed May 21 10:41:19 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Neuros Audio Player
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D354E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305211032140.9148-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

Saw someone mention it. Anyone tried one yet, or seen any reviews? I've
only seen one review, and it was rather middle of the road.

The features are nice though. It has what I really want, and more.

FM Radio Tuner
HiSi: Record a 30 second sample of a song to identify the artist and title
next time you sync.
MyFi: Tune your raido to the right frequency and hear your Neuros play. No
extra wires. My favorite feature I think.
Promised support for Ogg Vorbis in a future firmware update.

I think I'll try and hold off until I hear good things from someone or
they get the second revision on the market. USB 1.1 is OK, but 2.0 would
be better.

Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org
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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote:

| The radio broadcast option...record from radio....the option to remove it from the 20GB drive for a very small 128MB player...built-in mike....ogg vorbis....Linux support....it has way more built-in toys....
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org]
| Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:58 PM
| To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
| Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
|
|
| What makes that better than an iPod?  It only has USB 1.1.  It is going to
| take a long time to transfer 20gb compared to USB 2.0 or FireWire.
|
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Wed May 21 13:42:59 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cooperative isp
In-Reply-To: <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305211336350.31428-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote:

> I am thinking of starting what I call a cooperative ISP in my townhome
> community.  Basically we will be getting a broadband connection and sharing
> it with wireless hardware among 3 buildings.

What sort of broadband?  I wasn't aware there were any that would allow
reselling, unless you went with a corporate class line.  I've thought
about doing this myself, now that I have a house with a high roof.

-Brian



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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Wed May 21 13:54:27 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cooperative isp
In-Reply-To: <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom>
References: <secb6139.025@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us> <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom>
Message-ID: <20030521185427.GB25559@autonomous.tv>

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:38:04AM -0500, Tom O'Neill wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I am thinking of starting what I call a cooperative ISP in my townhome
>community.  Basically we will be getting a broadband connection and sharing
>it with wireless hardware among 3 buildings.. Somewhere between 100-150
>users.  I was wondering if anyone has any advice for software (preferably
>open source) that we could use to manage access and billing.
>
>Sorry this is off topic....
>

I personally think you should hire someone to administer the LAN.  I
happen to know plenty of people that could use the work. :)

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From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net  Wed May 21 14:01:48 2003
From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cooperative isp 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 May 2003 11:38:04 CDT."
             <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom> 
References: <02ce01c31fb7$5acf5800$6401a8c0@tom> 
Message-ID: <20030521190148.5A67E60CDE@wookimus.net>

Nice thread-steal.

"Tom O'Neill" <tommyo@dolemite.org>  wrote:
> Sorry this is off topic....

This thread would be more on-topic on the TCWUG list:
http://www.tcwug.org/.


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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Wed May 21 14:03:49 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] thread
Message-ID: <20030521190349.GC25559@autonomous.tv>

I realize that last thread I replied to was hijacked.  I only caught
that after I hit 'send'.  I just thought I would point this out to the
people that may not understand what a 'hijack' is.

Basically you hit 'reply' to someone's thread when you should hit
'compose' a new mail message.  For more info
http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html

I was going to post a thread from the archives but it gives me this
error:

Warning: Access denied for user: 'udm@archives.real-time.com' (Using
password: YES) in
/home/mailman/archives.real-time.com/html/tclug-list/db_func.inc on line
93
Cannot connect to mysql host paladin.real-time.com as user udm


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed May 21 14:11:48 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cooperative isp 
In-Reply-To: <20030521190148.5A67E60CDE@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305211411230.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> This thread would be more on-topic on the TCWUG list:
> http://www.tcwug.org/.

 Actually, it's already there, too.

     Jima


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From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Wed May 21 14:41:37 2003
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
In-Reply-To: <20030521170003.26730.99759.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <OMELINNJFPPBKNLAELKJGEKLCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>

Chris, laptop drives are indeed laptop drives. All are 2.5" drives.
The one dimension you have to worry about, as some said, is height.

There are two common heights: 9mm and 12mm, and one older height: 17mm.
Take yours out and measure it. Mine has a 9mm drive, but has a spacer
I can remove to allow a 12mm drive. I also have to remove a cage and
put that on any new drive. (I just upgraded my 12GB to a 40GB from
newegg.com.)

Each laptop also has a limit as to how much capacity the drive
can handle. Any laptop that was working with a 20GB drive should
work up to 120GB.

Enjoy,
Chris Schumann

> Message: 1
> From: Chris Frederick <cdf123@cdf123.com>
> To: Twin Cities Linux User Group <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Organization: 
> Date: 20 May 2003 12:11:46 -0500
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Laptop hard drives
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> This is probably off topic, but I don't know who else to ask and I'm
> sure there are quite a few people here who could answer this.
> 
> I'm running Linux on a Compaq Presario 2700 laptop, this cam with a 20
> gig hard drive.  Now that I've gotten my CD library copied to mp3s, I'd
> like to take it with me on the laptop.  20 gig is no longer enough
> space, so I searched (a lot) on the HP website and found a 40 gig hard
> drive for ~$500.  I know that there's a lot in a laptop that's specific
> to its model and make, but can't you use a hard drive from a different
> manufacturer (say this one
> http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72856378?aucview=0x17),
> or is the hardware on a laptop so locked together that you're stuck with
> the original manufacturer's parts and high prices?  
> 
> Side note: I know desktop PCs follow a certain form factor (AT/ATX) to
> make sure the parts are compatible, is there anything like that for
> laptops?
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
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From mcolivier at earthlink.net  Thu May 22 14:52:39 2003
From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] re: initialization problem
Message-ID: <200305221452.39035.mcolivier@earthlink.net>

Thank you Scot, Todd and Jima for responding. But, where do I put the info in 
Item 3?
=====================================
Message: 17
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:44:25 -0500
From: Scot Jenkins <scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] initialization problem
Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org

what kind of zip drive?  internal IDE? external SCSI or external
parallel port?

Setting up Iomega ZIP parallel port drive:
1. Zip drive uses /dev/sda4 so:         ln -s /dev/sda4 /dev/zip

2. Add following to /etc/fstab:
/dev/zip        /mnt/zip        vfat    noauto   0 0

3. Uses ppa.o kernel module (parallel port adapter)
        insmod /lib/modules/<kernel-ver>/scsi/pppa.o

4. mkdir /mnt/zip
5. mount /mnt/zip; use the drive; when done umount /mnt/zip

If it's scsi, your scsi controller should see the device on boot up,
assuming the device is connected and powered up when you boot your pc.
check 'dmesg|more'

Not sure about how the IDE internal one show up.  I thought as a special
kind of floppy but I could be wrong.


Marc Olivier wrote:
> Hello. 
> I'm running SuSE Linux 8.1 and can't get my Zip drive recognized and 
mounted. 
> I've gone into YAST 2, but I get nowhere. Anyone else have this problem and 
> how do I fix it? I am now at the stage I am creating files I'd like to save 
> elsewhere in case I crash my hard drive. (I have windows on another 
> partition). 
> 
> Marc


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From mcolivier at earthlink.net  Thu May 22 14:58:27 2003
From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Problem displaying database query results
Message-ID: <200305221458.27855.mcolivier@earthlink.net>

>You could be missing the AddType line from the Apache httpd.conf file.

That line is present.


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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed May 21 23:22:04 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Neuros Audio Player
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305211032140.9148-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305211032140.9148-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <1053577324.27646.18.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 10:41, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
> Saw someone mention it. Anyone tried one yet, or seen any reviews? I've
> only seen one review, and it was rather middle of the road.

I've looked at a few reviews.  I think the big complaint is that it
doesn't (yet) have USB 2.0, plus a lot of people consider it to be bulky
(apparently, it's available at CompUSA, so interested parties might want
to check there).  It sounds like the company is making quite an effort
to respond to the concerns of customers (it even appears that they're
offering to replace the old USB 1.1 "backpack" with a USB 2.0 version). 
It's kind of weird, though -- almost as if they're selling a beta
version of the player.  One way to work the bugs out, I guess.

These guys are on my short list for when I finally pick out a portable
music player, but that's just because they are planning on supporting
Ogg Vorbis and they've been the most vocal about their planned support. 
Because the recommendation of the Vorbis developers is to only buy
players when the format is known to work in shipping versions (either
out-of-the-box or with firmware updates), it looks like I still have to
hold off on buying one.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed May 21 23:57:03 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
Message-ID: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I'm testing out this new feature in exim on tclug-list; called sender 
verification. It's part of the new ACL stuff in exim.

More details here:

http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.20/doc/html/spec_37.html

NOTE, I have the defer_ok option on, so if the callout to verify the sender 
fails with in 10s, the acl will pass and the message will be accepted, so NO 
message will be dropped.

After I'm more confortable with this feature, I might remove the defer_ok 
stuff.


More or less this tries to verify the sender's address.

$ telnet mailman.real-time.com 25
Trying 208.20.202.13...
Connected to pirate.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 pirate.real-time.com ESMTP Thu, 22 May 2003 00:20:59 -0500
helo real-time.com
250 pirate.real-time.com Hello gladiator.real-time.com [208.20.202.31]
mail from: blahhahh@real-time.com
250 OK
rcpt to: root@real-time.com
550-Verification failed for <blahhahh@real-time.com>
550-Called:   208.20.202.3
550-Sent:     RCPT TO:<blahhahh@real-time.com>
550-Response: 550 5.1.1 <blahhahh@real-time.com>... User unknown
550 Sender verify failed

Please let me know if there are any problem. Thanks.

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Wed May 21 23:49:52 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1604.24.245.71.134.1053578992.squirrel@us-admins.com>

Bob Tanner said:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm testing out this new feature in exim on tclug-list; called sender
> verification. It's part of the new ACL stuff in exim.

Actually sender_verify isn't new it's been in exim since 3.x ACLs where
new in 4.x though and offer a great deal more functionality.

> More details here:
>
> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.20/doc/html/spec_37.html
>
> NOTE, I have the defer_ok option on, so if the callout to verify the
> sender  fails with in 10s, the acl will pass and the message will be
> accepted, so NO  message will be dropped.
>
> After I'm more confortable with this feature, I might remove the
> defer_ok  stuff.

I've never had defer_ok set on, no need to.

>
> More or less this tries to verify the sender's address.

in my opinion is a mandatory requirement for an MTA.


>
> $ telnet mailman.real-time.com 25
> Trying 208.20.202.13...
> Connected to pirate.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 pirate.real-time.com ESMTP Thu, 22 May 2003 00:20:59 -0500
> helo real-time.com
> 250 pirate.real-time.com Hello gladiator.real-time.com [208.20.202.31]
> mail from: blahhahh@real-time.com
> 250 OK
> rcpt to: root@real-time.com
> 550-Verification failed for <blahhahh@real-time.com>
> 550-Called:   208.20.202.3
> 550-Sent:     RCPT TO:<blahhahh@real-time.com>
> 550-Response: 550 5.1.1 <blahhahh@real-time.com>... User unknown
> 550 Sender verify failed
>
> Please let me know if there are any problem. Thanks.
>
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From david at acz.org  Thu May 22 00:17:37 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Bob Tanner writes:
> More or less this tries to verify the sender's address.

Why would you want to do this?  This merely encourages spammers to forge
real addresses when sending spam, which causes harm to innocent users.  Or,
alternatively, they will start spamming with a null envelope sender (I'm
surprised more spammers don't do this).  Note that some mail servers will
verify any address for a domain, even if it doesn't exist.  qmail does this.

This isn't a good solution for spam.  It is easy to circumvent.  In fact,
many spammers already do.  When you keep creating bogus "solutions" for
spam, you make the solution worse than the problem:

http://cr.yp.to/qmail/antispam.html

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu May 22 00:45:25 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] thread
In-Reply-To: <20030521190349.GC25559@autonomous.tv>
References: <20030521190349.GC25559@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <1053582325.27727.86.camel@3po.thodt.net>

Heh, well, it'd also be nice if everyone's mailer actually acted nicely
and produced the proper headers for threading.  Ironically, a lot of
"groupware" products seem to mess this up.  It's stupid since supporting
this would probably just take one line of code.

I know that Novell GroupWise tends to break threads.

I've complained loudly in the past about Lotus Notes breaking things. 
Newer versions might be nicer (I was forced to use R5 for a while).

Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express seem to behave nicely in this
regard, but as soon as their messages get forwarded through MS Exchange
or Internet Mail Service (what is that -- just another name for
Exchange?), any In-Reply-To: or References: headers get blown away.

Exchange seems to add/keep an odd Thread-Index: header, but I'm not sure
if that's useful in any way or not.

I probably wouldn't have replied to Spencer's message, but in addition
to the threading issues, I noticed that a recent post that broke threads
was also base64-encoded.

http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056543.html

That might be a site-specific setting (and therefore probably not Dan's
fault), but it's kind of a silly thing to do since base64-encoded
messages take up more disk space and bandwidth..

I could complain about other things that bug me about e-mail, but I've
done that before..

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May 22 05:55:56 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] re: initialization problem
In-Reply-To: <200305221452.39035.mcolivier@earthlink.net>
References: <200305221452.39035.mcolivier@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030522055556.0afd17ca.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Thu, 22 May 2003 14:52:39 -0500
Marc Olivier <mcolivier@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thank you Scot, Todd and Jima for responding. But, where do I put the
> info in Item 3?

Marc,
  I'm assuming it's an external parallel port?  I only have experience with an external parallel 100 MB Zip drive.  Try doing it from the command line like this:

#modprobe ppa        (The drive should be connected for it )

However, if it is an external parallel port ppa may throw an error at you.  I had to do:

#modprobe imm

From blutgens at us-admins.com  Thu May 22 07:57:06 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
        <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <1673.24.245.71.134.1053608226.squirrel@us-admins.com>

David Phillips said:
> Bob Tanner writes:
>> More or less this tries to verify the sender's address.
>
> Why would you want to do this?  This merely encourages spammers to forge
> real addresses when sending spam, which causes harm to innocent users.
> Or, alternatively, they will start spamming with a null envelope sender
> (I'm surprised more spammers don't do this).  Note that some mail
> servers will verify any address for a domain, even if it doesn't exist.
> qmail does this.

Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:" setup in
thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets bounced. But it
can't bounce because it's an invalid address...

>
> This isn't a good solution for spam.  It is easy to circumvent.  In
> fact, many spammers already do.  When you keep creating bogus
> "solutions" for spam, you make the solution worse than the problem:

it's not a solution for spam, it's prevention against your users having to
deal with broken addresses and misconfigured MUAs. And yes many spams will
get stopped by it.

>
> http://cr.yp.to/qmail/antispam.html

blah blah blah djb is the greatest blah blah blah. If i never see another
cr.yp.to link from you on this list it will be too soon.

PLONK!

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Thu May 22 09:02:16 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA98@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Ok....i posted about this awhile ago but I am getting kinda desperate as I am reaching my deadline quickly and SuSE support leaves me rather unsatisfied.  I am setting up a SuSE exchange server and everything is beautiful....except I am still unable to reach it from outside my external network....is there anyone who can provide me with phone support for this?? I don't have much I can offer in return but if you respond to me off list I'm sure we could come to an agreement on something
Thank you in advance
Dan Lansing
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From admin at lctn.org  Thu May 22 09:32:02 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
Message-ID: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>

I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
configure to do this?

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From list at slushpupie.com  Thu May 22 09:19:45 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <200305220919.46127@slushman>

Cygwin is a package bringing many unix like utilites to windows, including the 
ssh package. You might try that.


On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:32 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
> configure to do this?

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May 22 09:34:10 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305220919.46127@slushman>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org> <200305220919.46127@slushman>
Message-ID: <20030522143410.GC4238@fandre.com>

If you don't want to install Cygwin, you could always "pull" it from
the Windows box using pscp.
(http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html)

On Thu, 22 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:

> Cygwin is a package bringing many unix like utilites to windows, including the 
> ssh package. You might try that.
> 
> 
> On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:32 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
> > configure to do this?

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From david at acz.org  Thu May 22 09:36:07 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>        <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1673.24.245.71.134.1053608226.squirrel@us-admins.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3206f$7b4bf4e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Ben Lutgens writes:
> Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:"
> setup in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
> bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...

So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have all the
bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Thu May 22 09:44:47 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A10@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Phillips [SMTP:david@acz.org]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:36 AM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
> 
> Ben Lutgens writes:
> > Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:"
> > setup in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
> > bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...
> 
> So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have all
> the
> bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.
> 
> -- 
> David Phillips <david@acz.org>
> http://david.acz.org/
> 
	Personally, I think both solutions fall a bit short as BOTH have
downsides.  Life is a compromise we might as well get used to it.  We all
have different areas we accept compromise in.  If one's compromise makes
someone else go a little postal, that's life.  Ok, long story short.  This
is not worth arguing over when *nix has so many other good arguments we
could be having.  Text editors, standards, window managers, shells,
programming languages, code comments, etc.

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Thu May 22 10:01:31 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <001501c3206f$7b4bf4e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
        <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
        <1673.24.245.71.134.1053608226.squirrel@us-admins.com>
        <001501c3206f$7b4bf4e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <49525.192.168.70.246.1053615691.squirrel@us-admins.com>

David Phillips said:
> Ben Lutgens writes:
>> Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:" setup
>> in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
>> bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...
>
> So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have all
> the bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.

They can do that anyway. Wether you verify it or not. Thanks for playing.

>
> --
> David Phillips <david@acz.org>
> http://david.acz.org/
>
>
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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Thu May 22 10:15:52 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <49525.192.168.70.246.1053615691.squirrel@us-admins.com>
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
        <004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
        <1673.24.245.71.134.1053608226.squirrel@us-admins.com>
        <001501c3206f$7b4bf4e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
        <49525.192.168.70.246.1053615691.squirrel@us-admins.com>
Message-ID: <49544.192.168.70.246.1053616552.squirrel@us-admins.com>

Ben Lutgens said:
>
> David Phillips said:
>> Ben Lutgens writes:
>>> Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:"
>>> setup in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
>>> bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...
>>
>> So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have
>> all the bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.
>
> They can do that anyway. Wether you verify it or not. Thanks for
> playing.

Besides with spamassassin, rbls, and ensuring your mailserver isn't an
open-relay it's really not a problem.

I don't get bounces from forged addresses. They'd have to forge the
Sender: header as well. Good mailserver configs can catch many of these
things. I've been building mine gradually over a few years.

But you already knew all that being a devout DJB worshiper. By the way
when is the "DJB Raises The Dead" or "DJB Heals the sick and lame" meeting
going to take place? As his greatest disciple surely you'll be leading the
charge to such worship-like activities.

Or could it be that you ARE DJB in disguise! Spreading the gospel of His
Holiness incognito! ADMIT IT! YOU'RE DJB AREN'T YOU!


I bet Hitler was a DJB worshiper too...

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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Thu May 22 10:38:58 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ben Lutgens [SMTP:blutgens@us-admins.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:16 AM
> To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
> 
> 
> Ben Lutgens said:
> >
> > David Phillips said:
> >> Ben Lutgens writes:
> >>> Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:"
> >>> setup in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
> >>> bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...
> >>
> >> So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have
> >> all the bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.
> >
> > They can do that anyway. Wether you verify it or not. Thanks for
> > playing.
> 
> Besides with spamassassin, rbls, and ensuring your mailserver isn't an
> open-relay it's really not a problem.
> 
> I don't get bounces from forged addresses. They'd have to forge the
> Sender: header as well. Good mailserver configs can catch many of these
> things. I've been building mine gradually over a few years.
> 
> But you already knew all that being a devout DJB worshiper. By the way
> when is the "DJB Raises The Dead" or "DJB Heals the sick and lame" meeting
> going to take place? As his greatest disciple surely you'll be leading the
> charge to such worship-like activities.
> 
> Or could it be that you ARE DJB in disguise! Spreading the gospel of His
> Holiness incognito! ADMIT IT! YOU'RE DJB AREN'T YOU!
> 
> 
> I bet Hitler was a DJB worshiper too...
> 
> -- 
> Ben Lutgens
> System Administrator
> 
> 
	Ok, WHY does much of the open source community hate the guy that
wrote Qmail.  His views, his license, what?

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From jspinti at dartdist.com  Thu May 22 10:59:00 2003
From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 10:38 am, RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Ben Lutgens [SMTP:blutgens@us-admins.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:16 AM
> > To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list

> >
> > I bet Hitler was a DJB worshiper too...
> >
> > --
> > Ben Lutgens
> > System Administrator
>
> 	Ok, WHY does much of the open source community hate the guy that
> wrote Qmail.  His views, his license, what?
>
See what happens when you try and invoke Goodwin's law without fulfilling 
all the conditions :(
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jspinti at dartdist dot com
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fax 952-368-3255

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Thu May 22 10:49:05 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <49574.192.168.70.246.1053618545.squirrel@us-admins.com>


> 	Ok, WHY does much of the open source community hate the guy that
> wrote Qmail.  His views, his license, what?

Its not so much him people dislike, its the zealots that push his outdated
code because they think its then end-all-be-all.

People are very vehement about what software they like and dislike
especially in the area of editors, shells, muas, and mtas. Qmail is the
source of extreme love or hatred depending on your experiences.

Certain people seem to love DJB so much that every single post they make
to list is laced with disdain for any other piece of software and riddled
with cr.yp.to urls. Frankly its getting very tiresome.

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Thu May 22 10:53:50 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
        <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com>
Message-ID: <49616.192.168.70.246.1053618830.squirrel@us-admins.com>


> See what happens when you try and invoke Goodwin's law without
> fulfilling  all the conditions :(

You realize you don't know wtf Goodwin's law is and dutifully google for
it trying to understand the joke. Wherein you realize the error of your
ways.

I wasn't admitting defeat, but had interpreted (wrongly) that the hitler
invocation meant "Enough already, let it die"

I'll admit defeat if it will (as it seems it has) end that ridiculous path
we were headed down.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 22 11:45:55 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA98@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA98@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <200305221145.55590@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:02 am, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Ok....i posted about this awhile ago but I am getting kinda desperate as I
> am reaching my deadline quickly and SuSE support leaves me rather
> unsatisfied.  I am setting up a SuSE exchange server and everything is
> beautiful....except I am still unable to reach it from outside my external
> network....is there anyone who can provide me with phone support for this??
> I don't have much I can offer in return but if you respond to me off list
> I'm sure we could come to an agreement on something Thank you in advance
> Dan Lansing

There aren't many SuSe experts on the list, we are pretty much redhat and 
debian group of people.

There are even fewer (any?) Open Exchange Server people on the list. Most of 
us run "traditional" MTAs like sendmail, exim, posfix, qmail, etc.

Isn't OpenExchange commerical software? If so SuSe should be able to help you 
since you payed money for it.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 22 11:49:17 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:32 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
> configure to do this?

scp backup files -to- an NT server?

Seems backwards to me, but....

Cygwin is what you want, make sure to install the openssh-server package.

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu May 22 11:48:48 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com>
Message-ID: <20030522164848.GA24242@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:59:00AM -0500, James Spinti wrote:
>
> See what happens when you try and invoke Goodwin's law without fulfilling 
> all the conditions :(
>

I'm familiar with Godwin's Law.  What's Goodwin's law?

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From jspinti at dartdist.com  Thu May 22 12:02:41 2003
From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030522164848.GA24242@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030522164848.GA24242@mail.el-swifto.com>
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On Thursday 22 May 2003 11:48 am, John J. Trammell wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:59:00AM -0500, James Spinti wrote:
> > See what happens when you try and invoke Goodwin's law without
> > fulfilling all the conditions :(
>
> I'm familiar with Godwin's Law.  What's Goodwin's law?

http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Thu May 22 12:01:33 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA99@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Yeah OpenExchange is commercial but the only support they offer is via email and the turnaround times on those where too long for my need....i do much better with phone support so I can make sure the person has all the info I can give them and so I can ensure I understand what they are telling me

>There aren't many SuSe experts on the list, we are pretty much redhat and 
>debian group of people.
>
>There are even fewer (any?) Open Exchange Server people on the list. Most >of 
>us run "traditional" MTAs like sendmail, exim, posfix, qmail, etc.
>
>Isn't OpenExchange commerical software? If so SuSe should be able to help >you 
>since you payed money for it.

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From jspinti at dartdist.com  Thu May 22 12:13:01 2003
From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030522164848.GA24242@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <200305221059.00570.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030522164848.GA24242@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <200305221213.01447.jspinti@dartdist.com>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 11:48 am, John J. Trammell wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:59:00AM -0500, James Spinti wrote:
> > See what happens when you try and invoke Goodwin's law without
> > fulfilling all the conditions :(
>
> I'm familiar with Godwin's Law.  What's Goodwin's law?

I hit send before reading the whole post :(  Goodwin was a classicist who 
wrote a very good Classical Greek Grammar--and consequently I always screw 
up Godwin and make it Goodwin.  But, from the results of a google query, 
it looks like I am not alone, although I doubt that most people do it for 
the reason that I do :)
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Thu May 22 12:14:25 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem - user
Message-ID: <20030522121425.54ca9c64.sfertch@real-time.com>

I've got a Samba issue that I can't figure out.  I'm doing nothing than I ordinarily do, yet the person can't connect.  I've tried under their id, and it fails, yet others can connect successfully.  Myself included.  I don't think it's a smbpasswd issue however.

This system authenticates to an NT domain (yeah, I don't have a choice on it so no comments) and I have everything defined correctly.  Under the share, I have the following line because only certain users can access it:

valid users = user1,user2,@group

It's got Samba version 2.0.5a, but it shouldn't matter should it?

Here's what I do to  grant Samba access after all the redtape stuff is out of the way:

1-Add user to box, then add them in to the users.map file with the following entry:

   Unixid = NT domain id

2-Add to appropriate samba share if going to restricted spot

That's it.  I've never had to run any smbpasswd related command because of the authentication to the domain.  

I know I can do a workaround, and setup a dummy account and have each person use that generic id.  Something like this:

  Unixida = NT domain id1
  Unixida = NT domain id2

I've tried that as well, with no luck at all.  I have encrypted password enabled, so it's not an issue with that.  We've tried this person's id on 3 different machines and can't get it to go.  Even on a system that allows plain text password from NT (kernel hack).

I've completely removed her id from the system, and all smb files.  Stopped and restarted samba, then readded her.  Still no luck.  Suggestions?  Her domain account is not locked btw.  Anything else I can try?  I set two users up identically, one works while the other doesn't.

Thanks.

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From kbongers at infinetivity.com  Thu May 22 12:34:23 2003
From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>;
    from RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM on Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:38:58AM -0500
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
Message-ID: <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>

> 	Ok, WHY does much of the open source community hate the guy that
> wrote Qmail.  His views, his license, what?

Because of his license(or lack of)?
What can and can't you do with his software?
My understanding is that it's his software and he wants
to reserve all rights to it.

So if I build a system out of it and then want to distribute it,
do I need to negotiate with him?  How far will he make me bend
over?





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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu May 22 12:44:24 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305221233380.28655-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

For minimal software on the windows server, use Putty's pscp in a
scheduled job (if you're planning on automation anyway). Yes, you'll have
two scheduled jobs, but less software to monkey around with.

If you want to scp to the windows server so that you only have one set of
scripts to work with, Cygwin or http://lexa.mckenna.edu/sshwindows/ is the
way you want to go.


| scp backup files -to- an NT server?
| Seems backwards to me, but....

It's not that backwards, if you go with Linux is about cost savings.

Situation: You're introducing Linux to a primiarly Windows enviorment.
Somehow, you have to backup the Linux servers with minimum cost. Extra
backup software + hardware for Linux isn't minimum cost. You allready have
backup software and hardware on Windows, how can you use it? BackUp Exec
support Linux if you purchase a license for the Linux agent, but...

Soultions: Disk spack is cheap. Your Linux server(s) and Windows
server(s) have plenty of extra disk space. So, you use tar to create a
backup tar file, move tar file to Windows via Samba or SCP and you don't
have to purchase or setup extra software or hardware.

I did this all the time at a former place of employment. I skipped scp and
using up disk space on the Linux machines and just dumped the tar file
directly to a windows share that was automounted by automount.

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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Thu May 22 12:43:05 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem - user
Message-ID: <seccc5f6.081@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

Shawn,

The version might be an issue. I think I 
remember some significant bug fixes between 
2.0.5 and 2.0.7, and the 2.0.x series is at 
2.0.10 now. Who knows if this is affecting 
you at this time.

I have had "group" issues (using 2.0.x and 
2.2.x), but mostly going the other direction.

I would ratchet up the debug level (when 
little other activity is occurring) and try to 
access the samba server using her credentials. 
Then look in the log files and see what samba 
thinks the problem is.

Good luck,

Troy

>>> sfertch@real-time.com 05/22/03 12:14PM >>>
I've got a Samba issue that I can't figure out.  I'm doing nothing than I
ordinarily do, yet the person can't connect.  I've tried under their id,
and it fails, yet others can connect successfully.  Myself included.  I
don't think it's a smbpasswd issue however.
This system authenticates to an NT domain (yeah, I don't have a choice on
it so no comments) and I have everything defined correctly.  Under the
share, I have the following line because only certain users can access it:
valid users = user1,user2,@group
It's got Samba version 2.0.5a, but it shouldn't matter should it?
Here's what I do to  grant Samba access after all the redtape stuff is out
of the way:
1-Add user to box, then add them in to the users.map file with the
following entry:
   Unixid = NT domain id
2-Add to appropriate samba share if going to restricted spot
That's it.  I've never had to run any smbpasswd related command because of
the authentication to the domain.  
I know I can do a workaround, and setup a dummy account and have each
person use that generic id.  Something like this:
  Unixida = NT domain id1
  Unixida = NT domain id2
I've tried that as well, with no luck at all.  I have encrypted password
enabled, so it's not an issue with that.  We've tried this person's id on 3
different machines and can't get it to go.  Even on a system that allows
plain text password from NT (kernel hack).
I've completely removed her id from the system, and all smb files. 
Stopped and restarted samba, then readded her.  Still no luck. 
Suggestions?  Her domain account is not locked btw.  Anything else I can
try?  I set two users up identically, one works while the other doesn't.


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From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM  Thu May 22 13:02:50 2003
From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A16@ipserver2.interplastic.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [SMTP:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:44 PM
> To:	TCLUG-list
> Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] scp to NT
> 
> For minimal software on the windows server, use Putty's pscp in a
> scheduled job (if you're planning on automation anyway). Yes, you'll have
> two scheduled jobs, but less software to monkey around with.
> 
> If you want to scp to the windows server so that you only have one set of
> scripts to work with, Cygwin or http://lexa.mckenna.edu/sshwindows/ is the
> way you want to go.
> 
> 
> | scp backup files -to- an NT server?
> | Seems backwards to me, but....
> 
> It's not that backwards, if you go with Linux is about cost savings.
> 
> Situation: You're introducing Linux to a primiarly Windows enviorment.
> Somehow, you have to backup the Linux servers with minimum cost. Extra
> backup software + hardware for Linux isn't minimum cost. You allready have
> backup software and hardware on Windows, how can you use it? BackUp Exec
> support Linux if you purchase a license for the Linux agent, but...
> 
> Soultions: Disk spack is cheap. Your Linux server(s) and Windows
> server(s) have plenty of extra disk space. So, you use tar to create a
> backup tar file, move tar file to Windows via Samba or SCP and you don't
> have to purchase or setup extra software or hardware.
> 
> I did this all the time at a former place of employment. I skipped scp and
> using up disk space on the Linux machines and just dumped the tar file
> directly to a windows share that was automounted by automount.
> 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org
> Linux is not an Operating System.
> 
	That doesn't account for backups taken offsite for storage, also it
is hard to do many days of backup to a hard drive if you have any amount of
data at all.  Tapes was, is and are the best solution usually.  Not the
cheapest, but the best.


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From admin at lctn.org  Thu May 22 13:51:37 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>

> scp backup files -to- an NT server?
>
> Seems backwards to me, but....

Not really. The Linux box does not have a tape drive, and I want to get the
backup off the server incase of hardware failure.




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From adam at askewview.net  Thu May 22 13:34:39 2003
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <29502.64.83.223.2.1053628479.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net>

There is this handy little program I use called winscp
http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/
Its basically like an FTP program but uses scp :)




> I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
> configure to do this?
>
> --
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> 320-234-0270
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From admin at lctn.org  Thu May 22 14:07:13 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <29502.64.83.223.2.1053628479.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net>
References: <29502.64.83.223.2.1053628479.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net>
Message-ID: <34406.66.103.175.185.1053630433.squirrel@lctn.org>

> There is this handy little program I use called winscp
> http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/
> Its basically like an FTP program but uses scp :)


I went with pscp, since I could schedule it.



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From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Thu May 22 13:40:37 2003
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
Message-ID: <seccd35c.034@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>

I think he meant that you can use the 
cheap disk space to temporarily store 
the backups before the are written to 
tape by the windows box (or whatever 
that box usually does with them).

>>> RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM 05/22/03 01:02PM >>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [SMTP:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] 
> For minimal software on the windows server, use Putty's pscp in a
> scheduled job (if you're planning on automation anyway). Yes, you'll
have
> two scheduled jobs, but less software to monkey around with.
...
> Soultions: Disk spack is cheap. Your Linux server(s) and Windows
> server(s) have plenty of extra disk space. So, you use tar to create a
> backup tar file, move tar file to Windows via Samba or SCP and you
don't
> have to purchase or setup extra software or hardware.
> I did this all the time at a former place of employment. I skipped scp
and
> using up disk space on the Linux machines and just dumped the tar file
> directly to a windows share that was automounted by automount.

That doesn't account for backups taken offsite for storage, also it
is hard to do many days of backup to a hard drive if you have any amount
of
data at all.  Tapes was, is and are the best solution usually.  Not the
cheapest, but the best.


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From rwh at visi.com  Thu May 22 13:44:25 2003
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: *** LINUX *** Re: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org> <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <3ECD1A89.2070103@visi.com>

There is also an openssh-only install at 
http://lexa.mckenna.edu/sshwindows/ that contains the minimum subset of 
files to run ssh on a Windows box. Note that it doesn't co-exist with 
the cygwin installation so you can run one or the other, but not both.

Personally I use the full cygwin install so that I can use rsync to 
manage backups to/from my Linux box and to a removable hard disk that I 
use to move files between home and work.

--rick


Bob Tanner wrote:

>On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:32 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
>  
>
>>I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to install or
>>configure to do this?
>>    
>>
>
>scp backup files -to- an NT server?
>
>Seems backwards to me, but....
>
>Cygwin is what you want, make sure to install the openssh-server package.
>
>  
>


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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Thu May 22 14:37:27 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <seccd35c.034@MDH-GW1.health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305221436170.30427-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Thu, 22 May 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

| I think he meant that you can use the cheap disk space to temporarily
| store the backups before the are written to tape by the windows box (or
| whatever that box usually does with them).

That is exactly what I meant. :) Sorry that wasn't clear.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 22 15:24:46 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: *** LINUX *** Re: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <3ECD1A89.2070103@visi.com>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org> <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <3ECD1A89.2070103@visi.com>
Message-ID: <200305221524.47221@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 01:44 pm, Richard Hoffbeck wrote:
> There is also an openssh-only install at
> http://lexa.mckenna.edu/sshwindows/ that contains the minimum subset of
> files to run ssh on a Windows box. Note that it doesn't co-exist with
> the cygwin installation so you can run one or the other, but not both.
>
> Personally I use the full cygwin install so that I can use rsync to
> manage backups to/from my Linux box and to a removable hard disk that I
> use to move files between home and work.

oh! nice, that's a much better solution.


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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu May 22 15:26:27 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <200305221526.27566@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2003 01:51 pm, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > scp backup files -to- an NT server?
> >
> > Seems backwards to me, but....
>
> Not really. The Linux box does not have a tape drive, and I want to get the
> backup off the server incase of hardware failure.

Ok, so the linux box crashes, what's the plan for a restore?

Got all the data on the NT box and under NT backup software. 

Best to get a mondo image of the linux box too, so you can bootstrap your 
linux box to a point in time and then restore the data from the NT/tapedrive.

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu May 22 17:36:22 2003
From: chewie at wookimus.net (chewie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Testing how quickly this gets through
Message-ID: <20030522223622.2F09F60BF9@wookimus.net>

I just set up SASL+TLS for postfix as a client to my ISP, and it seems
to be working quite well. ;-)  Just seeing how quickly this works.
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From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net  Thu May 22 17:41:33 2003
From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Comcast Email Services suck (was Testing...)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 May 2003 17:36:22 CDT."
             <20030522223622.2F09F60BF9@wookimus.net> 
References: <20030522223622.2F09F60BF9@wookimus.net> 
Message-ID: <20030522224133.3D28760BF9@wookimus.net>

chewie <chewie@wookimus.net>  wrote:
> I just set up SASL+TLS for postfix as a client to my ISP, and it seems
> to be working quite well. ;-)  Just seeing how quickly this works.

Excellent, mere minutes.  I've been very disappointed with the lack of
delivery performance with the Comcast email servers.  So if you can,
people, use another SMTP server (that won't get blocked by DUL RBL's).

P.S. Hey, Ben!  How do you like being my ISP? ;-)  I think I owe you a
couple beers or something.

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From kremer at ringworld.org  Thu May 22 18:09:53 2003
From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 CD set
Message-ID: <1053644993.7211.7.camel@kremer>

I already mentioned that I'm taking RHCE courses right now.  Today our
instructor handed out extra materials to us (no test study guides,
sorry) and I nabbed an extra set of RH9 CDs along with an official
install guide.  Any bandwidth-impaired folks looking for a set of RH9
CDs?  The set comes with 3 binary discs, 3 source discs, and 1
documentation disc.  They're pressed CD's with neato logos and crap
printed on the top.  First one to ask can have them free of charge.  

-- 
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of music,
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity."
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From blots at visi.com  Thu May 22 18:39:46 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <20030522143410.GC4238@fandre.com>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
	 <200305220919.46127@slushman>  <20030522143410.GC4238@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <1053646786.24552.1.camel@lotsa>

On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 09:34, Clay Fandre wrote:
> If you don't want to install Cygwin, you could always "pull" it from
> the Windows box using pscp.
> (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html)

Or "pull" with winscp http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/




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From mpartyka at mn.rr.com  Thu May 22 19:20:28 2003
From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA99@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA99@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <3ECD694C.5020409@mn.rr.com>

Lansing, Dan wrote:

>Yeah OpenExchange is commercial but the only support they offer is via email and the turnaround times on those where too long for my need....i do much better with phone support so I can make sure the person has all the info I can give them and so I can ensure I understand what they are telling me
>
>  
>
>>There aren't many SuSe experts on the list, we are pretty much redhat and 
>>debian group of people.
>>
>>There are even fewer (any?) Open Exchange Server people on the list. Most >of 
>>us run "traditional" MTAs like sendmail, exim, posfix, qmail, etc.
>>
>>Isn't OpenExchange commerical software? If so SuSe should be able to help >you 
>>since you payed money for it.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
We are running Openexchange at work, although we only transitioned small 
groups of users at this point. I completely agree, their support is 
aweful, there is a phone number for a small USA office but they can only 
help with Suse Linux and claim to have no knowledge whatsoever about the 
SLOX. Have you had to license any of the groupware ? It's insane how 
difficult it is to accomplish.

And Openexchange is commercial but it is really just a web front end 
that has groupware functionality, it's Postfix under the hood though, so 
many people here are much more knowledgable than me i'm sure. There is 
also a SLOX mailing group much like this one although it's much smaller 
but i have gotten some good tips from the other admins on it. Here is a 
link where you can look at the messages on the web.

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-slox-e/

As to your problem, you can't see the server from the outside? Meaning, 
you can see it internally on your LAN but not from outside the LAN? I 
guess i could ask many questions like do you have a firewall, etc, and 
work backword, but maybe it'll be easier if you just describe your 
problem in more detail.

If you'd rather you can email me at home: mpartyka@mn.rr.com And i'll do 
my best to give you a hand.


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From david at acz.org  Thu May 22 21:24:46 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>
Message-ID: <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Karl Bongers writes:
> So if I build a system out of it and then want to distribute it,
> do I need to negotiate with him?

No.  Basically, you can freely distribute binary versions of his software if
installing it produces the same results that would be obtained by installing
it from source.  This includes installation directories (which can actually
be anywhere if symlinks are used).  See his pages for more info:

http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html
http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html

This only covers his software that is not public domain.  The cdb library,
libtai, the djbdns library and all the required libraries (basically all of
them) are public domain.

For the record: I am a fan of Dan Bernstein's work because it is excellent.
His code, writings, math and cryptography work are top-notch.    I also
applaud him fighting for our freedoms in his court case, Bernstein v. United
States.

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From kbongers at infinetivity.com  Fri May 23 00:37:19 2003
From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org
    on Thu, May 22, 2003 at 09:24:46PM -0500
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
    <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>
    <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030523003719.A4353@karl.iexposure.net>

That sounds to me like he is prohibiting you from producing
modifications.  Which could put you at a disadvantage if you
build a system around it.

> No.  Basically, you can freely distribute binary versions of his software if
> installing it produces the same results that would be obtained by installing
> it from source.  This includes installation directories (which can actually
> be anywhere if symlinks are used).  See his pages for more info:



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From david at acz.org  Fri May 23 01:10:37 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>    <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>    <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030523003719.A4353@karl.iexposure.net>
Message-ID: <000801c320f2$0756a840$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Karl Bongers writes:
> That sounds to me like he is prohibiting you from producing
> modifications.  Which could put you at a disadvantage if you
> build a system around it.

Like what?  If you have a legitimate need for a modification, such as the
QMAILQUEUE patch, then you could ask him for an exception.  He doesn't want
people distributing modified versions for compatibility and reliability
reasons.  When vendors can install things wherever they want, it makes
things difficult for users and people trying to help them.  Vendors could
also break things and give the software a bad name.

You could always go the FreeBSD ports route.  The qmail port installs at
least one patch automatically when building.  This is perfectly legal, since
the patching is done by the end user.  No modified binaries are being
distributed.

The end result here is good: If you install qmail according to the install
instructions or "Life with qmail", it will work.  If you need help with
something, you can be given very specific instructions that will work.  The
same does not hold true for most other software.

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From blots at visi.com  Fri May 23 02:15:43 2003
From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305221526.27566@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
	 <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>
	 <200305221526.27566@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1053674143.24552.38.camel@lotsa>

On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 15:26, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Ok, so the linux box crashes, what's the plan for a restore?

> Got all the data on the NT box and under NT backup software.

Pull the tarball off the M$ box and restore. You wouldn't have to muck
with NT backup software unless both boxes die at the same time. The
image would still be sitting on the nt drive as well as on tape, right?.

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri May 23 08:24:57 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <1053646786.24552.1.camel@lotsa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305230822500.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On 22 May 2003, Tom Penney wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 09:34, Clay Fandre wrote:
> > If you don't want to install Cygwin, you could always "pull" it from
> > the Windows box using pscp.
> > (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html)
> 
> Or "pull" with winscp http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/

 The question is, can you script and automate a pull with WinSCP? :)

     Jima


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From kbongers at infinetivity.com  Fri May 23 09:01:54 2003
From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <000801c320f2$0756a840$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org
    on Fri, May 23, 2003 at 01:10:37AM -0500
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>
    <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>
    <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar>
    <20030523003719.A4353@karl.iexposure.net>
    <000801c320f2$0756a840$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net>

Lets say you use the software in your job, say you work for an ISP.
Imagine coming up with a great product, like that SPAM filtering
technology someone gave a talk on at a recent Linux meeting.

Now say you have to hack on Dan's pristine code to add hooks in it
to perform some filtering.  You want to send this code to clients that
want to pay you money for it.  So you give Dan a call, hey Dan,
can I ship this?  Dan says "No, thats the wrong solution".
So you make and distribute a source patch.  People use it, maybe
Dan doesn't like it, maybe he gets upset and takes you to court,
maybe he wants to post snippets of your email on his web site to
prove to the world that you are an idiot.

Thats just a big "what if".  Probably wouldn't happen, but you
never know.

On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 01:10:37AM -0500, David Phillips wrote:
> Karl Bongers writes:
> > That sounds to me like he is prohibiting you from producing
> > modifications.  Which could put you at a disadvantage if you
> > build a system around it.
> 
> Like what?  If you have a legitimate need for a modification, such as the
> QMAILQUEUE patch, then you could ask him for an exception.  He doesn't want
> people distributing modified versions for compatibility and reliability
> reasons.  When vendors can install things wherever they want, it makes
> things difficult for users and people trying to help them.  Vendors could
> also break things and give the software a bad name.
> 
> You could always go the FreeBSD ports route.  The qmail port installs at
> least one patch automatically when building.  This is perfectly legal, since
> the patching is done by the end user.  No modified binaries are being
> distributed.
> 
> The end result here is good: If you install qmail according to the install
> instructions or "Life with qmail", it will work.  If you need help with
> something, you can be given very specific instructions that will work.  The
> same does not hold true for most other software.
> 
> -- 
> David Phillips <david@acz.org>
> http://david.acz.org/
> 
> 


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From david at acz.org  Fri May 23 09:40:54 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61A12@ipserver2.interplastic.com>    <20030522123423.A1416@karl.iexposure.net>    <007e01c320d2$7a793290$0201a8c0@brinstar>    <20030523003719.A4353@karl.iexposure.net>    <000801c320f2$0756a840$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net>
Message-ID: <004101c32139$50c7f500$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Karl Bongers writes:
> So you make and distribute a source patch.  People use it, maybe
> Dan doesn't like it, maybe he gets upset and takes you to court,
> maybe he wants to post snippets of your email on his web site to
> prove to the world that you are an idiot.

That won't happen.  Patches are completely legal, since they don't violate
copyright.  In fact, Dan has a web page explaining that:

http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html

As long as you aren't doing anything to violate copyright, you have nothing
to worry about.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 23 09:30:07 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Karl Bongers wrote:
> So you make and distribute a source patch.  People use it, maybe
> Dan doesn't like it, maybe he gets upset and takes you to court,

That's going a little far - as most of you've probably figured out, I'm
not a huge DJB fan, but he doesn't stop people from applying patches to
his software.. as long as you follow his distribution terms (keep the
patch separate from the tarball, don't distribute patched binaries),
you're fine.

If the patch does something he doesn't like, he won't support your
installation.. that's his right, though.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May 23 10:05:32 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 CD set
In-Reply-To: <1053644993.7211.7.camel@kremer>
References: <1053644993.7211.7.camel@kremer>
Message-ID: <20030523150532.GA1663@autonomous.tv>

On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 06:09:53PM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote:
>I already mentioned that I'm taking RHCE courses right now.  Today our
>instructor handed out extra materials to us (no test study guides,
>sorry) and I nabbed an extra set of RH9 CDs along with an official
>install guide.  Any bandwidth-impaired folks looking for a set of RH9
>CDs?  The set comes with 3 binary discs, 3 source discs, and 1
>documentation disc.  They're pressed CD's with neato logos and crap
>printed on the top.  First one to ask can have them free of charge.  

As a related note,  anyone attending the UpSwing
http://www.sharpupswing.com/calendar.phtml on the 29th,  can pick up a
copy of RH9 or KNOPPIX v3.2 2003-05-16.

Support your local LUG :)

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From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org  Fri May 23 10:20:40 2003
From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305221526.27566@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305231016230.1854-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

| Ok, so the linux box crashes, what's the plan for a restore?
|
| Got all the data on the NT box and under NT backup software.
|
| Best to get a mondo image of the linux box too, so you can bootstrap your
| linux box to a point in time and then restore the data from the NT/tapedrive.

In the past I've just done a Debian base install, skipping all package
selection. apt-get install ssh tar bunzip2 smbfs

access the tar file, and extract. Quick, dirty, not the best way in the
world to do it, but it works.

Mondo looks nifty though. Thanks for the tip. (http://www.mondorescue.org)

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May 23 10:20:59 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3569@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Not Linux related but I cant do this from where I am....could some one check which ports are open on my DSL router for me? I need to open some ports I think but first I want to know what is open.....IP is 216.17.81.177
Thanks in advance

Dan Lansing

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From erik at andersonfam.org  Fri May 23 10:33:41 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3569@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
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Hrm - looks like either your DSL modem is down or you have told it to 
discard ICMP echo requests....

Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Not Linux related but I cant do this from where I am?.could some one 
> check which ports are open on my DSL router for me? I need to open some 
> ports I think but first I want to know what is open?..IP is 216.17.81.177
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Dan Lansing
> 


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From kiler0n at ags-us.com  Fri May 23 10:53:21 2003
From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (kiler0n@ags-us.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
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From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D356C@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Thank you....that is a good start....shouldn't be anything above 1000 that I need or know about.....

 

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I show the following ports: 

25 SMTP, 53 Domain, 110 pop3 

I stopped scanning at port 1000 

Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Not Linux related but I cant do this from where I am....could some one 
> check which ports are open on my DSL router for me? I need to open some 
> ports I think but first I want to know what is open.....IP is 216.17.81.177
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Dan Lansing
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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May 23 10:37:49 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D356A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Crap...well...thanks for trying.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:34 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router

Hrm - looks like either your DSL modem is down or you have told it to 
discard ICMP echo requests....

Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Not Linux related but I cant do this from where I am?.could some one 
> check which ports are open on my DSL router for me? I need to open some 
> ports I think but first I want to know what is open?..IP is 216.17.81.177
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Dan Lansing
> 


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From erik at andersonfam.org  Fri May 23 10:46:41 2003
From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D356A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D356A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <3ECE4261.9030803@andersonfam.org>

No prob.

Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Crap...well...thanks for trying.....
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT-open ports on my DSL router
> 
> Hrm - looks like either your DSL modem is down or you have told it to 
> discard ICMP echo requests....
> 
> Lansing, Dan wrote:
> 
>>Not Linux related but I cant do this from where I am?.could some one 
>>check which ports are open on my DSL router for me? I need to open some 
>>ports I think but first I want to know what is open?..IP is 216.17.81.177
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>Dan Lansing
>>
> 
> 
> 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 23 11:05:55 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305231016230.1854-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231104540.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
> In the past I've just done a Debian base install, skipping all package
> selection. apt-get install ssh tar bunzip2 smbfs, access the tar file,
> and extract. Quick, dirty, not the best way in the world to do it, but
> it works.

Yeah, I've done that too.

> Mondo looks nifty though. Thanks for the tip. (http://www.mondorescue.org)

Mondo makes it *far* easier - just pop a cd in, pick 'nuke' from the
syslinux list, wait 10 minutes, and your box is exactly how it was before
you killed it.  Can also reconfigure your partitioning scheme and stuff,
if you want to move to a raid array or whatnot.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May 23 11:15:43 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
Message-ID: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>

Not Linux related, but rather Big Blue.  Just decomissioned our oldest server:

IBM 520 running AIX 3.x (forgot the actual level aready).

Thing's ancient...

What are some of the oldest systems others have running and used on a fairly frequent basis?

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From jspinti at dartdist.com  Fri May 23 12:16:14 2003
From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
In-Reply-To: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200305231216.14283.jspinti@dartdist.com>

On Friday 23 May 2003 11:15 am, Shawn wrote:
> Not Linux related, but rather Big Blue.  Just decomissioned our oldest
> server:
>
> IBM 520 running AIX 3.x (forgot the actual level aready).
>
> Thing's ancient...

That was a sweet machine--hot swap bays and everything--too bad it was 
Intel based :)
>
> What are some of the oldest systems others have running and used on a
> fairly frequent basis?

We are using an RS/6000 380 (MCA, PowerPC chip) as a mail server and 
development machine running AIX 3.2.  Think it is about 1992/93 vintage.  
Our outsource developer is running an even older RS/6000 as a mailserver 
-- I think it is a 320.
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952-368-3278 ext 396
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri May 23 12:45:02 2003
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 09:30:07AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
> (keep the patch separate from the tarball, don't distribute patched
> binaries), you're fine.

This is the reason you won't see a binary distribution of qmail in
Debian.  Debian is fairly active in patching source code for a number of
reasons: bug fixes, inflexible Makefiles, disabling "features", and
changing default settings.  So, although very sensible reasons for
patching source code, it is still not acceptable under DJB's license to
do so.  Instead, Debian distributes a source package for qmail and
requires you to learn a little about compiling packages to create a
binary yourself.

	% apt-get source qmail-src build-essential devscripts fakeroot
	% sudo apt-get build-dep qmail-src
	% cd QMAILDIR
	% dpkg-buildpackage -us -us -rfakeroot
	% sudo dpkg --install ../QMAIL-PACKAGE_FILE.deb

> If the patch does something he doesn't like, he won't support your
> installation.. that's his right, though.

That's fine, but he doesn't have to force people through the loops
above.  It's ludicrous.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri May 23 13:14:57 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> although very sensible reasons for patching source code, it is still
> not acceptable under DJB's license to do so.  Instead, Debian
> distributes a source package for qmail and requires you to learn a
> little about compiling packages to create a binary yourself.

Yeah, Pine is the same way.

> > If the patch does something he doesn't like, he won't support your
> > installation.. that's his right, though.
>
> That's fine, but he doesn't have to force people through the loops
> above.  It's ludicrous.

I agree. This is why I don't use his software personally, or encourage
other people to use it.. but even if I don't like it, he has the right to
do whatever he wants with his code.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May 23 13:20:45 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
References: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:14:57 -0500 (CDT)
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is why I don't use his software personally, or encourage
> other people to use it.. but even if I don't like it, he has the right
> to do whatever he wants with his code.
> 
Not trying to fan the flame on this in any way, but isn't the same thing also said to some degree of Linus Torvalds' control over the kernel?  






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From esper at sherohman.org  Fri May 23 13:29:05 2003
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20030523182905.GA29936@sherohman.org>

On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 01:20:45PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:14:57 -0500 (CDT)
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> wrote:
> > I agree. This is why I don't use his software personally, or encourage
> > other people to use it.. but even if I don't like it, he has the right
> > to do whatever he wants with his code.
> > 
> Not trying to fan the flame on this in any way, but isn't the same thing also said to some degree of Linus Torvalds' control over the kernel?  

"Said to some degree", maybe, but that doesn't make it accurate.
Linus doesn't object to anyone (like, say, Red Hat) distributing
patched versions of his code.  He may refuse to make your patch a part
of the offical source tree, but he's happy to let you fork the kernel
if you want.  DJB's license doesn't allow forks - if you want to
distribute his code, it's his way or the highway.  You can't modify
and redistribute it.

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May 23 13:41:11 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030523182905.GA29936@sherohman.org>
References: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
	<20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<20030523182905.GA29936@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20030523134111.3d44c599.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:29:05 -0500
Dave Sherohman <esper@sherohman.org> wrote:

> "Said to some degree", maybe, but that doesn't make it accurate.
> Linus doesn't object to anyone (like, say, Red Hat) distributing
> patched versions of his code.  He may refuse to make your patch a part
> of the offical source tree, but he's happy to let you fork the kernel
> if you want.  DJB's license doesn't allow forks - if you want to
> distribute his code, it's his way or the highway.  You can't modify
> and redistribute it.
> 
Ahh, gotcha.  Don't know the particulars of the who's-who of code and all the different licenses.

Thanks.  I'll got rattle my brain for a while now.  ;)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May 23 14:11:40 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: New thread on DJB/Qmail/Licenses was Re: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305231303510.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20030523132045.6799bd57.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200305231411.40404@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 23 May 2003 01:20 pm, Shawn wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:14:57 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> wrote:
> > I agree. This is why I don't use his software personally, or encourage
> > other people to use it.. but even if I don't like it, he has the right
> > to do whatever he wants with his code.
>
> Not trying to fan the flame on this in any way, but isn't the same thing
> also said to some degree of Linus Torvalds' control over the kernel?

How about a new thread, this is getting into something very different then the 
original email.

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From jimstreit at northlans.com  Fri May 23 14:36:28 2003
From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
In-Reply-To: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3366.65.116.187.194.1053718588.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>

I have an HP Netserver LM 4d/66 that is running Netware 3.12.  The
machine was put into production in 1992 and is still used almost every
day.  We have an old accounting system that runs on it that won't run
on anything else.

> Not Linux related, but rather Big Blue.  Just decomissioned our oldest
> server:
>
> IBM 520 running AIX 3.x (forgot the actual level aready).
>
> Thing's ancient...
>
> What are some of the oldest systems others have running and used on a
> fairly frequent basis?
>
> --
> Shawn
>
> First law of debate:
>   Never argue with a fool.  People might not know the difference.
>
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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri May 23 15:57:00 2003
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
References: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com> <3366.65.116.187.194.1053718588.squirrel@mail.northlans.com>
Message-ID: <3ECE8B1C.1020607@structural-wood.com>

I've been using an old DOS 2.x based HP PC as a terminal for a sparc
server up until about 6 weeks ago.  I think I purchased it in 1982.
It still runs, but between it's aging screen and my aging eyes I
can't figure out about 50% of what is on the screen anymore.  (It's
an all in one unit, screen, printer, CPU, etc...).

I won't miss it.

Jim Streit wrote:
> I have an HP Netserver LM 4d/66 that is running Netware 3.12.  The
> machine was put into production in 1992 and is still used almost every
> day.  We have an old accounting system that runs on it that won't run
> on anything else.
> 
> 
>>Not Linux related, but rather Big Blue.  Just decomissioned our oldest
>>server:
>>
>>IBM 520 running AIX 3.x (forgot the actual level aready).
>>
>>Thing's ancient...
>>
>>What are some of the oldest systems others have running and used on a
>>fairly frequent basis?
>>
>>--
>>Shawn
>>
>>First law of debate:
>>  Never argue with a fool.  People might not know the difference.
>>
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>>
> 
> 
> 
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri May 23 16:47:04 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
In-Reply-To: <3ECE8B1C.1020607@structural-wood.com>
References: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com>
	<3366.65.116.187.194.1053718588.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> 
	<3ECE8B1C.1020607@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <1053726424.31638.18.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:57, Kent Schumacher wrote:
> I've been using an old DOS 2.x based HP PC as a terminal for a sparc
> server up until about 6 weeks ago.  I think I purchased it in 1982.
> It still runs, but between it's aging screen and my aging eyes I
> can't figure out about 50% of what is on the screen anymore.  (It's
> an all in one unit, screen, printer, CPU, etc...).
> 
> I won't miss it.

This just reminded me of a new xscreensaver "hack"..

Anyone who feels like reminiscing should download xscreensaver version
4.10 and then run the "bsod" hack:

    /path/to/bsod -only apple2

It's an unusually accurate representation of an old Apple ][ system
crashing..

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Fri May 23 16:57:02 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned...
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 15:57:00 -0500
Kent Schumacher <kent@structural-wood.com> wrote:

> I've been using an old DOS 2.x based HP PC as a terminal for a sparc
> server up until about 6 weeks ago.  I think I purchased it in 1982.
> It still runs, but between it's aging screen and my aging eyes I
> can't figure out about 50% of what is on the screen anymore.  (It's
> an all in one unit, screen, printer, CPU, etc...).
> 
> I won't miss it.
> 
Wow, I haven't heard of DOS 2.x since I left the automotive world.  The last shop I worked at had a Bear scope that was running DOS 2.x on a 286 Intel platform.  Last time I was there, I thought I still saw it.

I forgot to mention that a couple of months ago, we decommisioned an HP workstation something/80i.  Hard drive failure is what killed it I think.  There's also a DEC Workstation 5000/200.  Anyone remember them?  =)

Ahh, the influences of DEC in the open source realm.  And to think I get to administer 5 of them ranging from 4.0B to 5.1B on Alphaservers 4100 and DS-20E's.  

Wish they'd decide to open up to Linux and dump a few of the aging HP "D" class servers we've got as well...  But, noooo!!!   Linux is not "supported" in their eyes by vendors.

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May 23 20:44:18 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <200305220919.46127@slushman>
References: <1340.66.103.175.2.1053613922.squirrel@lctn.org>
        <200305220919.46127@slushman>
Message-ID: <1141.192.1.1.248.1053740658.squirrel@dccmn.com>

Putty also has a scp program that is a bit lighter weight than installing
cygwin.

Jay Kline said:
> Cygwin is a package bringing many unix like utilites to windows,
> including the  ssh package. You might try that.
>
>
> On Thursday 22 May 2003 09:32 am, Raymond Norton wrote:
>> I want to scp my backup file to an NT server. What do I need to
>> install or configure to do this?
>
> --
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> http://www.slushpupie.com
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May 23 20:41:37 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem - user
In-Reply-To: <20030522121425.54ca9c64.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030522121425.54ca9c64.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <1135.192.1.1.248.1053740497.squirrel@dccmn.com>

Anything unusual about the user id?  Longer than 8 characters?  Mixed
case?  I've found both cause problems.

Shawn said:
> I've got a Samba issue that I can't figure out.  I'm doing nothing than
> I ordinarily do, yet the person can't connect.  I've tried under their
> id, and it fails, yet others can connect successfully.  Myself included.
>  I don't think it's a smbpasswd issue however.
>
> This system authenticates to an NT domain (yeah, I don't have a choice
> on it so no comments) and I have everything defined correctly.  Under
> the share, I have the following line because only certain users can
> access it:
>
> valid users = user1,user2,@group
>
> It's got Samba version 2.0.5a, but it shouldn't matter should it?
>
> Here's what I do to  grant Samba access after all the redtape stuff is
> out of the way:
>
> 1-Add user to box, then add them in to the users.map file with the
> following entry:
>
>    Unixid = NT domain id
>
> 2-Add to appropriate samba share if going to restricted spot
>
> That's it.  I've never had to run any smbpasswd related command because
> of the authentication to the domain.
>
> I know I can do a workaround, and setup a dummy account and have each
> person use that generic id.  Something like this:
>
>   Unixida = NT domain id1
>   Unixida = NT domain id2
>
> I've tried that as well, with no luck at all.  I have encrypted password
> enabled, so it's not an issue with that.  We've tried this person's id
> on 3 different machines and can't get it to go.  Even on a system that
> allows plain text password from NT (kernel hack).
>
> I've completely removed her id from the system, and all smb files.
> Stopped and restarted samba, then readded her.  Still no luck.
> Suggestions?  Her domain account is not locked btw.  Anything else I can
> try?  I set two users up identically, one works while the other doesn't.
>
> Thanks.
>
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From david at acz.org  Fri May 23 20:53:27 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
References: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c32197$45074af0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Chad Walstrom writes:
> This is the reason you won't see a binary distribution of qmail in
> Debian.

It's actually a bit more complicated than that:

http://www.smarden.org/pape/Debian/unofficial/why.html

> Instead, Debian distributes a source package for qmail and
> requires you to learn a little about compiling packages to create a
> binary yourself.

I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.  I seem to
remember the package building process for those being more automated than
that.  But a far better solution is to use Gerrit Pape's unofficial
packages.  They are legal since they don't have changes like the Debian
ones:

http://www.smarden.org/pape/Debian/

I use all of those on my Debian box and they work quite well.

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Fri May 23 21:03:52 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] scp to NT
In-Reply-To: <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <200305221149.17977@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
        <34315.66.103.175.185.1053629497.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1212.192.1.1.248.1053741832.squirrel@dccmn.com>

The latest amanda supports disk backups.  It has a Windows driver.

Raymond Norton said:
>
>> scp backup files -to- an NT server?
>>
>> Seems backwards to me, but....
>
> Not really. The Linux box does not have a tape drive, and I want to get
> the backup off the server incase of hardware failure.
>
>
>
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From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net  Fri May 23 23:17:53 2003
From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 May 2003 20:53:27 CDT."
             <00b001c32197$45074af0$0201a8c0@brinstar> 
References: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>  <00b001c32197$45074af0$0201a8c0@brinstar> 
Message-ID: <20030524041753.397BF60BF9@wookimus.net>

"David Phillips" <david@acz.org>  wrote:
> I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.  I seem
> to remember the package building process for those being more
> automated than that. 

David.  I'm a Debian developer.  I know pretty well what the build
process is like.  Perhaps you should try it once or twice before making
such comments.

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From david at acz.org  Fri May 23 23:54:14 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list 
References: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net>  <00b001c32197$45074af0$0201a8c0@brinstar>  <20030524041753.397BF60BF9@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <001401c321b0$861b90a0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Chad Walstrom writes:
> David.  I'm a Debian developer.  I know pretty well what the build
> process is like.  Perhaps you should try it once or twice before
> making such comments.

Sorry, I was thinking of djbdns-installer.  It is much simpler:

apt-get install djbdns-installer
# follow directions and run these two programs:
get-djbdns
build-djbdns
# follow prompts to build and install deb

Apparently qmail doesn't have one of those.  I thought it did.  I wasn't
trying to dispute the general deb build process.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat May 24 00:07:01 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DJB/Qmail/Debian/building/etc.
In-Reply-To: <20030524041753.397BF60BF9@wookimus.net>
References: <20030523090154.A6348@karl.iexposure.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0305230927150.27175-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
	<20030523174502.GA11066@skuld.wookimus.net> 
	<00b001c32197$45074af0$0201a8c0@brinstar>  
	<20030524041753.397BF60BF9@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <1053752821.31637.46.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 23:17, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> "David Phillips" <david@acz.org>  wrote:
> > I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.  I seem
> > to remember the package building process for those being more
> > automated than that. 
> 
> David.  I'm a Debian developer.  I know pretty well what the build
> process is like.  Perhaps you should try it once or twice before making
> such comments.

Erm, from what I saw, you did make it somewhat more complicated than it
had to be.  90% of the time, I can just do `apt-get -b source <package>'
and then `dpkg -i blah.deb'.  build-deps and other miscellany
notwithstanding..

On a semi-related topic, I'm probably going to detail some of my
experiences of using Debian's apt-build program in the not-too-distant
future.  It's a nice program--when it works--and brings some of the
advantages of Gentoo to Debian (primarily, CPU-optimized software).

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Sat May 24 10:58:20 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Ghetto Ghost revisited
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305241054450.21399@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>

For those of you who do not read FreshMeat, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/

"Ghost for Unix"... i wonder if Symantec has problems with this...


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From clay at fandre.com  Tue May 13 10:27:27 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at the Strictly Business Expo
Message-ID: <29102.199.62.0.252.1052839647.squirrel@www.fandre.com>

Just a reminder that the TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo this
Wednesday and Thursday.

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With a reputation for facilitating business relationships within
Minnesota's IT community, Strictly Business features the latest
innovations and provides a convenient, comprehensive forum for making
purchasing decisions.

Join us, TCLUG this May 14 & 15 in booth #439 at the Minneapolis
Convention Center to compare, contrast and develop your business
strategies.

VISIT  <http://www.strictlybusinessexpo.com/>
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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Sat May 24 22:21:03 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>

On Tue, 20 May 2003, Clay Fandre wrote:

> Missed the Strictly Business Expo because you had to work? Well don't
> worry. The TCLUG will be at next week's UpSwing Business Expo
> (http://www.upswingexpo.com). The Expo is from 5pm - 7:30pm on May
> 29th at the Minneapolis Marriott Southwest.
> 
> There will be great music, great people, great food and great drinks
> along with over 100 companies exhibiting and 500-700 business leaders.

can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?

at SB the we sold those sucker for $2.00 a pop and they went like 
hotcakes.

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Sat May 24 23:56:31 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sat, May 24, 2003 at 10:21:03PM -0500
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>

Munir Nassar wrote:
> can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?

I don't want to start a distro war, but how about representing other 
distros besides RedHat?  I think one of the great things about linux and
open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...

Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an 
initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for 
someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The package
management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.

Slackware's installer is menu driven and straight forward.  Accepting
the defaults (like redhat installs) gets you a running system in no
time.  It detects most common PC hardware out of the box.  It just
works.  Makes a great workstation and gives you the flexibility to learn
more when you're ready to start compiling stuff from source.

distro flames > /dev/null
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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Sun May 25 00:20:43 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
 <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305250008420.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>

On Sat, 24 May 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote:

> I don't want to start a distro war, but how about representing other 
> distros besides RedHat?  I think one of the great things about linux and
> open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
> it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
> RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...

yes there are, but several factors need to be considered,

1. most of the people taking these CDs are "Suits" debian is a geeks 
distro and does not fit well within their mindset

(plus if people had the bandwidth to install a whole system from the net, 
they would just download the ISOs)

2. User Friendlyness, (no not the comic) I am not saying the 
debian/slackware is not userfriendly... but they are not Newbie Friendly

newbies like shiny things... (think the crow in the Secret of NIMH)... X 
installers are shiny and attract newbies

3. hardware support. Debian and slackware are power users distros, with 
stability in mind and as such they do not come with bleeding else hardware 
support that many people want. 

4. why not SuSE or Mandrake then?  Market penetration , name brand 
recognition. most people heard of SuSE and Mandrake but they know redhat 
(not in the biblical sense)

so it boils down to a "what people want" question and here in the US it is 
RedHat Linux 9...

before you label me as a RedHat bigot, over half my computers are running 
Debian and i am working on putting even more in. I am very satisfied with 
Debian and generally i prefer the way Debian does things.

Munir Nassar
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Sun May 25 04:34:26 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Sat, 24 May 2003, Munir Nassar wrote:
> can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?

 To answer your question, yeah, there are 34 copies sitting in my office.  
Incidentally, there's no more CD media in the stockpile from SB. :)

     Jima


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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Sun May 25 06:57:17 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <20030525115717.GK21344@techmonkeys.org>

On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> Munir Nassar wrote:
> > can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?
> 
> I don't want to start a distro war, but how about representing other 
> distros besides RedHat?  I think one of the great things about linux and
> open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
> it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
> RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...

Are you going to support them when they try slackware or debian? Neither
are usable for the type of people picking up linux CD's at an expo.

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Sun May 25 09:41:11 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250940500.29976-100000@alkuds.redconcepts.net>

On Sun, 25 May 2003, Jima wrote:

>  To answer your question, yeah, there are 34 copies sitting in my office.  
> Incidentally, there's no more CD media in the stockpile from SB. :)

should be enough for 20 minutess  :)

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From nolanjm at juno.com  Sun May 25 10:54:08 2003
From: nolanjm at juno.com (nolanjm@juno.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re:freebie
Message-ID: <20030525.105409.-3754373.1.nolanjm@juno.com>

anyone want a QNX 2.2  OS ? book & floppies

Jerry Nolan
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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Sun May 25 11:43:17 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>
Message-ID: <20030525164317.GD1663@autonomous.tv>

On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 04:34:26AM -0500, Jima wrote:
>On Sat, 24 May 2003, Munir Nassar wrote:
>> can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?
>
> To answer your question, yeah, there are 34 copies sitting in my office.  
>Incidentally, there's no more CD media in the stockpile from SB. :)
>
>     Jima
I have ~80 disks left.  16 KNOPPIX burned.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Sun May 25 11:57:33 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030525164317.GD1663@autonomous.tv>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net> <20030525164317.GD1663@autonomous.tv>
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On Sunday 25 May 2003 11:43 am, Spencer Butler wrote:
> On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 04:34:26AM -0500, Jima wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 May 2003, Munir Nassar wrote:
> >> can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?
> >
> > To answer your question, yeah, there are 34 copies sitting in my office.
> >Incidentally, there's no more CD media in the stockpile from SB. :)
> >
> >     Jima
>
> I have ~80 disks left.  16 KNOPPIX burned.

So, what I'm hearing is I don't need to burn anymore copies?

Real Time would be happy to donate additional copies of cds, if there is a 
need.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Sun May 25 12:03:23 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <20030525170323.GE1663@autonomous.tv>

I read the thread from the bottom up for some reason.  I have a few
comments in regards to 'distros' being distributed.

On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote:
>Munir Nassar wrote:
>> can we get some more RH9 CDs to hand out?
>
>I don't want to start a distro war, but how about representing other 
>distros besides RedHat?  I think one of the great things about linux and
>open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
>it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
>RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...

Yes, I agree.  
>
>Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an 
>initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for 
>someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The package
>management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.

I think this is where KNOPPIX comes into play.  Knoppix has its
downsides, like any distro.  However, Knoppix is the easiest fully
functionaly install of Linux I have ever done.  The hardest part about
it is finding the install script (/usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall).  It
basically does this:
1) uses cfdisk to partitions your disk (not super newbie friendly)
2) copies the contents of the cd to your new partition
3) runs lilo
4) asks if you want to run a few items on startup
5) done
This process takes about an half hour, depending on your hardware.

What you get is a fully functioning system, complete with kde3 and
openoffice.org and many others.  The install uses about 2.1G of your
newly created partition.  

One think I really like about this distro is you can 'try before you
buy'.  What I mean is you can boot from the cd and see if all your
hardware works the way you expect.  Then it is a simple script to put it
on your hard-drive.  It is not perfect, but it is a great alternative to
RH9 (for newbies and the like).

One think I don't like is it is based on testing/unstable.  For myself,
this is prefered, for a newbie, I think it may lead to trouble.  

By the by,  I installed a network for a friend of mine the other day.  I
put knoppix on the workstation.  The guy loved it.  He has never usesd
Linux prior.  He asked me "Wheres the start button", before he finished
his sentence he found it.  Of course that was KDE that produced the
'start menu', but nonethless it shows that RH9 is not the only distro
that can quickly put a 'start ment' on the desktop.

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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Sun May 25 12:05:09 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <200305251157.33268@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305250433080.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net> <20030525164317.GD1663@autonomous.tv> <200305251157.33268@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030525170509.GF1663@autonomous.tv>

On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 11:57:33AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote:
>
>So, what I'm hearing is I don't need to burn anymore copies?
>
>Real Time would be happy to donate additional copies of cds, if there is a 
>need.
>
Well, the ones I copied do not have the cool stamp on the top of the cd.
Is that something that we can add? or does it require a particular cd?
I would much prefer to distrubute the disks with TCLUG printed on them.

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Sun May 25 13:06:22 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030525170509.GF1663@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305251304490.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Sun, 25 May 2003, Spencer Butler wrote:
> Well, the ones I copied do not have the cool stamp on the top of the cd.
> Is that something that we can add? or does it require a particular cd?
> I would much prefer to distrubute the disks with TCLUG printed on them.

 I seem to recall seeing through the label to the commodity CD media 
writing underneath.  No, I think all it'd take is some labels.  Bob? :)


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From esper at sherohman.org  Sun May 25 13:18:19 2003
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030525115717.GK21344@techmonkeys.org>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net> <20030525115717.GK21344@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <20030525181819.GB23865@sherohman.org>

On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 06:57:17AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
> On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> > I don't want to start a distro war, but how about representing other 
> > distros besides RedHat?  I think one of the great things about linux and
> > open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
> > it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
> > RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...
> 
> Are you going to support them when they try slackware or debian? Neither
> are usable for the type of people picking up linux CD's at an expo.

I doubt it, but then I also doubt that Scot intends to support them
when they try Red Hat, so what difference does that make?

Looks to me like Scot's point was "we should offer other distros in
addition to RH", not "we need to give people Debian and Slackware".
There are more non-RH distros than just those two, after all.

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Sun May 25 14:47:34 2003
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305250008420.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net> <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305250008420.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
Message-ID: <20030525194734.GB4536@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 12:20:43AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 4. why not SuSE or Mandrake then?  Market penetration , name brand
> recognition. most people heard of SuSE and Mandrake but they know
> redhat (not in the biblical sense)

IIRC, SuSE doesn't allow you to download binaries w/o a subscription.  I
may be completely wrong in that, so don't quote me.  It's been a very
long time since I've tried SuSE.  I simply don't like jumping through
financial hoops to get something that's freely available elsewhere.

I'm not sure about Mandrake.  I've had historical problems trying to
install Mandrake.  I recall trying to help Munir out with installing
Mandrake at one of the older InstallFests.  That has set my impression
of Mandrake as being "unpolished".

However, as far as the most stable, commercial distributions with the
greatest name recognition in the US, I would definitely rate it Red Hat,
SuSE, and Mandrake.  Japan has or had a huge following for TurboLinux.
I'm not sure what the current situation is.

You really can't go wrong with any of those mentioned above.  If you
want Debian with an easier installation, Knoppix is a good candidate, or
maybe PGI installer from Progeny.  Have faith, though.  The
debian-installer project is moving forward quickly.  It's a far more
maintainable, modular, and flexible installation utility than it's
predecessor "boot floppy" installer.

There are Debian sub-projects[1] that focus on different aspects of Linux.
There's a Desktop[2] project, a Medical[3] project, and a Jr[4] project.
And, if you know where to look, you can find most of the bleeding-edge
software backported to latest Stable distribution.  Check out
http://apt-get.org for a list of repositories.

References
==========
1. http://www.debian.org/devel
2. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop
3. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
4. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr

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From mark_j at visi.com  Sun May 25 14:51:26 2003
From: mark_j at visi.com (Mark Jefferis)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] No sound-Suse 8.2 install
Message-ID: <1053892285.1842.12.camel@linux.local>

All,

Need information. New install Suse8.2 replacing Redhat 7.2. 

Sound Card: Creative Labs Vibra 16

Worked fine with Redhat7.2, Yast2 won't install sound card except as
"Dummy soundcard, ASLA" but can't get sound.

Not experienced at configuring with scripts

Advice please - 

Mark







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From jack at jacku.com  Sun May 25 22:18:48 2003
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] No sound-Suse 8.2 install
In-Reply-To: <1053892285.1842.12.camel@linux.local>
References: <1053892285.1842.12.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <200305252218.49151.jack@jacku.com>

On Sunday 25 May 2003 2:51 pm, Mark Jefferis wrote:
> All,
>
> Need information. New install Suse8.2 replacing Redhat 7.2.
>
> Sound Card: Creative Labs Vibra 16
>
> Worked fine with Redhat7.2, Yast2 won't install sound card except as
> "Dummy soundcard, ASLA" but can't get sound.
>
> Not experienced at configuring with scripts
>
> Advice please -
>
> Mark

According to SuSE's hardware DB there was full support under SuSE 7.1. A quick 
check of google, searching Vibra 16 alsa in the google groups area indicates 
the alsa sb16 driver for the Vibra 16 OEM chipset.

Might be worth a try manually selecting the driver in YaST2.

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From dd-b at dd-b.net  Mon May 26 15:27:36 2003
From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testing sender verification on tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <49525.192.168.70.246.1053615691.squirrel@us-admins.com>
References: <200305212357.05621@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
	<004001c32021$759ed920$0201a8c0@brinstar>
	<1673.24.245.71.134.1053608226.squirrel@us-admins.com>
	<001501c3206f$7b4bf4e0$0201a8c0@brinstar>
	<49525.192.168.70.246.1053615691.squirrel@us-admins.com>
Message-ID: <m27k8dh2rr.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>

"Ben Lutgens" <blutgens@us-admins.com> writes:

> David Phillips said:
> > Ben Lutgens writes:
> >> Becuase people often try to send out mail with an errant "From:" setup
> >> in thier mailer and when other folks try to reply it gets
> >> bounced. But it can't bounce because it's an invalid address...
> >
> > So?  Would you rather have someone forge your email address and have all
> > the bounces go to you?  That's what this "solution" encourages.
> 
> They can do that anyway. Wether you verify it or not. Thanks for playing.

Yes, they *can*.  This "solution", if widely implemented, *forces
them* to.
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon May 26 21:40:39 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dlink 520 wireless
Message-ID: <00ca01c323f9$6187bb60$1902a8c0@DELL2>

I have set up a bunch of wireless on windows, but never on Linux. I read a bit on a project, but it all seemed very labored. Is there a quick and simple way to get a dlink 520 wireless adapter to work on Redhat 9.0?




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From mj at jentges.net  Mon May 26 22:23:51 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
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I must agree with this 100%....

Knowing little more than how to compile an irc bot on my ISP's fbsd box, I
installed slack 3.4 as a 'virgin'. It ran, 2nd try too!

Just to toss in an xtra tidbit, I have a friend who has been repairing
printers, copiers, fax machines, etc. for more than 18 years. While he
could identify feed rollers and little plastic gears from some off-brand
chinese copier by sight, his PC knowledge is minimal beyond "My Computer".

I sent him home with a Slackware 8.1 CD and a Compaq Proliant 1600 server.
(Including WIPED HW raid cfg, etc.)

While I was hopeful, but also what I thought realistic I assumed I'd be at
his house in a day or 2 installing it for him.

Two days later I recieved a phone call from him. There was both excitement
and dissapointment in his tone of voice. He had indeed succeeded with the
raid cfg, slack installation, and was staring at a root login prompt. I
couldn't believe it.

Problem was, the success came at approximately 4:00 AM the 'night' before.
That's right, in a sleepless stupor, he was being what he thought was
clever and put some ridiculous root password in there which after some
sleep had completely vanished from memory, and didn't appear on any sticky
notes in the immediate area.  :)

Moral of the story?  Apt, RPM, PKGTOOL, whatever. As long as there is
human intervention there will be problems.

I do see a trend where "linux" to many new/curious folks means REDHAT, and
in the past have found that 'linux support' meant that there was an RPM
available, nothing more. That just ain't right. There should be fair and
equal "billing" for all. If someone passes because all you have left are
Debian, Slack, Gentoo or whatever then I'd consider that a good "weeding
agent" and let them pass.

.02

-mj


>I think one of the great things about linux and
> open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
> it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
> RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...
>
> Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an
> initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for
> someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The package
> management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.
>
> Slackware's installer is menu driven and straight forward.  Accepting
> the defaults (like redhat installs) gets you a running system in no
> time.  It detects most common PC hardware out of the box.  It just
> works.  Makes a great workstation and gives you the flexibility to learn
> more when you're ready to start compiling stuff from source.
>
> distro flames > /dev/null
> --
> scot
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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Mon May 26 23:58:04 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>

I need another phone for my house.  I was thinking of getting an expandable
system, but after buying a Siemens system and returning it because of poor
sound quality, I figured I should probably ask around to forego having to
return a bunch of phone because they suck.
 
I was thinking of either the Panasonic expandable, which is 2.4ghz, but I
want to make sure it's not going to interfere with my wireless network.  I
have a Panasonic one now, but it's only 2.4ghz one way and 900 the other.
It doesn't interfere too much.  Or I was thinking about the Uniden 5.8ghz
system.  I read mixed reviews on both of them though.  My primary concerns
are sound quality and battery life.  My roomie has a Uniden phone, just a
900mhz, and the sound quality is crap.  But it's also a cheap phone.
 
I saw some phones by EnGenius which are long range 900mhz DSS phones.  They
actually look quite decent, but they are expensive and I would assume that
the increased power output of these will drain the battery fairly quickly.
I found a long range cordless phone on Ebay by Senao which has a range of up
to 230km.  Unfortunately, it's not legal for use here as it uses frequencies
somewhere between 230 and 450mhz.  It's a seller in Austrailia.
 
I also have a Spectralink 802.11b cordless phone, but I don't have a POTS
gateway to use it with yet.  Has anyone used these?  How are they?
 
So, I basically have 4 choices:
1. Panasonic
2. Uniden 5.8ghz
3. Spectralink system
4. Some unknown as of yet super cool phone system that I haven't heard
about.
 
Jay

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From poptix at techmonkeys.org  Tue May 27 02:29:50 2003
From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <20030527072950.GL21344@techmonkeys.org>

On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 11:58:04PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I was thinking of either the Panasonic expandable, which is 2.4ghz, but I
> want to make sure it's not going to interfere with my wireless network.  I
> have a Panasonic one now, but it's only 2.4ghz one way and 900 the other.
> It doesn't interfere too much.  Or I was thinking about the Uniden 5.8ghz
> system.  I read mixed reviews on both of them though.  My primary concerns
> are sound quality and battery life.  My roomie has a Uniden phone, just a
> 900mhz, and the sound quality is crap.  But it's also a cheap phone.
>  

A few notes:

1) My GE 2.4Ghz phone does absolutely no harm to my wireless, 

2) consumers have no business using cordless phones in the 5.2/5.8ghz
bands, it's a marketing ploy to sell the latest and greatest. Don't be
fooled by it. You'll get shorter range with no benefits from the extra
bandwidth (hello.. it's voice, not streaming video). 

3) I got my girlfriend a Uniden for use at the UMN dorms, it really, really
sucked.

> Jay

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From jhaahei2 at gac.edu  Tue May 27 04:13:19 2003
From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>        <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>        <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net> <2954.199.199.150.6.1054005831.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
Message-ID: <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>

If I'm not mistaken, the idea of giving out the cd's is to attract 
people to linux.  I'm not sure that having a weeding agent helps our 
cause.  Sure, a redhat system and a slack system and a gentoo system are 
all fundamentally similar -- they're all linux.  But installing gentoo 
took me days and installing redhat took me 45 minutes.  If the people 
we're giving these cd's to are well-versed and interested in spending 
the time on a debian or gentoo install, then fine, but then I don't 
think those kind of people would immediately associate linux with 
redhat.  Keep in mind, there's a difference between associating linux 
with redhat and associating easy-and-transparent-linux with redhat.

justin


>I do see a trend where "linux" to many new/curious folks means REDHAT, and
>in the past have found that 'linux support' meant that there was an RPM
>available, nothing more. That just ain't right. There should be fair and
>equal "billing" for all. If someone passes because all you have left are
>Debian, Slack, Gentoo or whatever then I'd consider that a good "weeding
>agent" and let them pass.
>
>.02
>
>-mj
>
>  
>
>>I think one of the great things about linux and
>>open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I think
>>it's important to get that message out so people don't get the idea that
>>RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...
>>
>>Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an
>>initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for
>>someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The package
>>management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.
>>
>>Slackware's installer is menu driven and straight forward.  Accepting
>>the defaults (like redhat installs) gets you a running system in no
>>time.  It detects most common PC hardware out of the box.  It just
>>works.  Makes a great workstation and gives you the flexibility to learn
>>more when you're ready to start compiling stuff from source.
>>
>>distro flames > /dev/null
>>--
>>scot
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 27 05:03:04 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
In-Reply-To: <20030527072950.GL21344@techmonkeys.org>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
	<20030527072950.GL21344@techmonkeys.org>
Message-ID: <20030527050304.3395d210.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003 02:29:50 -0500
"Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix@techmonkeys.org> wrote:

> 3) I got my girlfriend a Uniden for use at the UMN dorms, it really,
> really sucked.
> 
  We bought a Uniden a few years back, and it worked nearly flawlessly until it got dropped off our porch onto the driveway.  Sound quality was excellent, better than the POS AT&T unit we have now and many others.
  I spent well over $250 on the phone system (included a digital answerer) then, after a month of so of searching and checking reviews.  Not all Unidens are "sucky" or crap.  I found that it's a "get what you pay for" market in cordless phones.  Anything under $125 and you're just throwing money away.


-- 
Shawn

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From sfertch at real-time.com  Tue May 27 05:19:06 2003
From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Handouts was: TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
	<20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
	<2954.199.199.150.6.1054005831.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
	<3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <20030527051906.2e73ad34.sfertch@real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003 04:13:19 -0500
Justin Haaheim <jhaahei2@gac.edu> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, the idea of giving out the cd's is to attract 
> people to linux.  I'm not sure that having a weeding agent helps our 
> cause.  Sure, a redhat system and a slack system and a gentoo system
> are all fundamentally similar -- they're all linux.  But installing
> gentoo took me days and installing redhat took me 45 minutes.  If the
> people we're giving these cd's to are well-versed and interested in
> spending the time on a debian or gentoo install, then fine, but then I
> don't think those kind of people would immediately associate linux
> with redhat.  Keep in mind, there's a difference between associating
> linux with redhat and associating easy-and-transparent-linux with
> redhat.

But then we're right back at the point of saying "let's hand out other distro's as well instead of ONLY RedHat."  The point of the original email in reply to this announcement was to state the opinion that other distros should be handed out as well, not just RedHat.  Which I think is entirely fair.

By having multiple distros there to be handed out, it shows the versatility of each distro and Linux itself.  Personally, if I was there and had the option of snagging a new distro which I hadn't tried, I would.  Yes, I know Linux.  But, it's not "only" suits that go to these Expos.  On top of that, some "suits" have a very good understanding of what's going on and what Linux is.

Getting back to the original e-mail awhile ago...  Why not make some copies of other distros to hand out as well?  Don't have to make as many as the RH cd's, but I do think other distros deserve to be handed out as well.

I'm sick of the "Oh, I installed Linux 7.2 (or enter latest RH version)" statement personally.  Then I go into my tirade about how RH does not equal "Linux" on the person who said it.

-- 
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From mj at jentges.net  Tue May 27 06:09:19 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
        <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
        <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
        <2954.199.199.150.6.1054005831.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
        <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>
Message-ID: <2826.199.199.150.6.1054033759.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

And hence AUTHOR wrote: Justin Haaheim
> If I'm not mistaken, the idea of giving out the cd's is to attract
> people to linux.

That's how I read it. LINUX. Not RH9, specifically. Here I have a slack 4,
rh5.2, slack 7.0, 7.1, 8.1, RH 6.2, 7.2 (2) ...  LINUX. (I never do .0
RH.) When time permits I was pondering replacing rh5.2 with 7.3, or if
they have a .1 out by then, sure. No, there's no debian. Without getting
deep let's just say I think I have too much 'management' in my life
already. :)

>I'm not sure that having a weeding agent helps our
> cause.

Sir, merely a figure of speech, intended to point out that I rather doubt
anyone would NOT take a free CD if it weren't RH9. They might even be
pleased to know there was more than one variety.

>Sure, a redhat system and a slack system and a gentoo system are
>  all fundamentally similar -- they're all linux.  But installing gentoo
> took me days and installing redhat took me 45 minutes.

Prior to your Gentoo adventure, what distribution did you usually run?

>If the people
> we're giving these cd's to are well-versed and interested in spending
> the time on a debian or gentoo install, then fine, but then I don't
> think those kind of people would immediately associate linux with
> redhat.

If not, all they see/try/know of is Redhat then?  What if they have issues
with some of the default installation configuration and are unable to
'easily and transparently' resolve it? I.E. The 'default firewall' or auto
partitioning, etc.

>Keep in mind, there's a difference between associating linux
> with redhat and associating easy-and-transparent-linux with redhat.

Well I can promise you that I will NEVER associate 'easy and transparent'
with redhat. Again, that's just me. Ford/Chevy Coke/Pepsi, whatever. I
just like to be aware of the fact that both exist and while one goes
smooth for you it doesn't for me but the other has a cool can, so I'll try
that one once.

Been to HP/Compaq website lately? WinXP, Win2kPRO, and MANDRAKE Linux are
the OS choices on the new Evo BUSINESS desktop PC's there. At least the
310, 510 series. I personally am a slackh0 but I think that's pretty d**n
cool
an outfit of those proportions is doing this.

I'm rather strapped for $$, and I don't know where all the media is coming
from but I DO have a fairly new (up to) 48x burner and work out of my
house and would be happy to start a mass production of a variety of
installation ISO's if I had the media. Would it help if I picked up a
spool of 50 (or whatever) and burned them? I can certainly do that. In
fact I just happen to have a $10 orafice max coupon here somewhere iirc. 
:)

-mj

P.S. If this is in any way a Redhat Sponsored event, please disregard the 
     message above in it's entirety.


>
> justin
>
>
>>I do see a trend where "linux" to many new/curious folks means REDHAT,
>> and in the past have found that 'linux support' meant that there was an
>> RPM available, nothing more. That just ain't right. There should be
>> fair and equal "billing" for all. If someone passes because all you
>> have left are Debian, Slack, Gentoo or whatever then I'd consider that
>> a good "weeding agent" and let them pass.
>>
>>.02
>>
>>-mj
>>
>>
>>
>>>I think one of the great things about linux and
>>>open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I
>>> think it's important to get that message out so people don't get the
>>> idea that RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...
>>>
>>>Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an
>>> initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for
>>> someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The package
>>> management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.
>>>
>>>Slackware's installer is menu driven and straight forward.  Accepting
>>> the defaults (like redhat installs) gets you a running system in no
>>> time.  It detects most common PC hardware out of the box.  It just
>>> works.  Makes a great workstation and gives you the flexibility to
>>> learn more when you're ready to start compiling stuff from source.
>>>
>>>distro flames > /dev/null
>>>--
>>>scot
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From mj at jentges.net  Tue May 27 06:39:09 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UpSwing Business Expo - Quick Followup
In-Reply-To: <2826.199.199.150.6.1054033759.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>
        <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305242218160.27114@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
        <20030524235631.B26476@thinkunix.net>
        <2954.199.199.150.6.1054005831.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
        <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu>
        <2826.199.199.150.6.1054033759.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>
Message-ID: <3184.199.199.150.6.1054035549.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

After posting this, I wandered over to the tclug website, classified
section and coincidentally ran across this add right away. :)

 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=computerwanted

-mj



And hence AUTHOR wrote: Michael Jentges
>
> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Justin Haaheim
>> If I'm not mistaken, the idea of giving out the cd's is to attract
>> people to linux.
>
> That's how I read it. LINUX. Not RH9, specifically. Here I have a slack
> 4, rh5.2, slack 7.0, 7.1, 8.1, RH 6.2, 7.2 (2) ...  LINUX. (I never do
> .0 RH.) When time permits I was pondering replacing rh5.2 with 7.3, or
> if they have a .1 out by then, sure. No, there's no debian. Without
> getting deep let's just say I think I have too much 'management' in my
> life already. :)
>
>>I'm not sure that having a weeding agent helps our
>> cause.
>
> Sir, merely a figure of speech, intended to point out that I rather
> doubt anyone would NOT take a free CD if it weren't RH9. They might even
> be pleased to know there was more than one variety.
>
>>Sure, a redhat system and a slack system and a gentoo system are
>>  all fundamentally similar -- they're all linux.  But installing
>> gentoo
>> took me days and installing redhat took me 45 minutes.
>
> Prior to your Gentoo adventure, what distribution did you usually run?
>
>>If the people
>> we're giving these cd's to are well-versed and interested in spending
>> the time on a debian or gentoo install, then fine, but then I don't
>> think those kind of people would immediately associate linux with
>> redhat.
>
> If not, all they see/try/know of is Redhat then?  What if they have
> issues with some of the default installation configuration and are
> unable to 'easily and transparently' resolve it? I.E. The 'default
> firewall' or auto partitioning, etc.
>
>>Keep in mind, there's a difference between associating linux
>> with redhat and associating easy-and-transparent-linux with redhat.
>
> Well I can promise you that I will NEVER associate 'easy and
> transparent' with redhat. Again, that's just me. Ford/Chevy Coke/Pepsi,
> whatever. I just like to be aware of the fact that both exist and while
> one goes smooth for you it doesn't for me but the other has a cool can,
> so I'll try that one once.
>
> Been to HP/Compaq website lately? WinXP, Win2kPRO, and MANDRAKE Linux
> are the OS choices on the new Evo BUSINESS desktop PC's there. At least
> the 310, 510 series. I personally am a slackh0 but I think that's pretty
> d**n cool
> an outfit of those proportions is doing this.
>
> I'm rather strapped for $$, and I don't know where all the media is
> coming from but I DO have a fairly new (up to) 48x burner and work out
> of my house and would be happy to start a mass production of a variety
> of installation ISO's if I had the media. Would it help if I picked up a
> spool of 50 (or whatever) and burned them? I can certainly do that. In
> fact I just happen to have a $10 orafice max coupon here somewhere iirc.
>  :)
>
> -mj
>
> P.S. If this is in any way a Redhat Sponsored event, please disregard
> the
>      message above in it's entirety.
>
>
>>
>> justin
>>
>>
>>>I do see a trend where "linux" to many new/curious folks means REDHAT,
>>> and in the past have found that 'linux support' meant that there was
>>> an RPM available, nothing more. That just ain't right. There should
>>> be fair and equal "billing" for all. If someone passes because all
>>> you have left are Debian, Slack, Gentoo or whatever then I'd consider
>>> that a good "weeding agent" and let them pass.
>>>
>>>.02
>>>
>>>-mj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think one of the great things about linux and
>>>>open source is that you're not locked into one vendor's distro.  I
>>>> think it's important to get that message out so people don't get the
>>>> idea that RedHat = Linux.  There are always alternatives...
>>>>
>>>>Personally, I think Debian might be too much for a new user doing an
>>>> initial install without assistance.  But for a workstation, and for
>>>> someone who doesn't want to compile everything, it rocks.  The
>>>> package management is far superior to rpm, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>Slackware's installer is menu driven and straight forward.  Accepting
>>>> the defaults (like redhat installs) gets you a running system in no
>>>> time.  It detects most common PC hardware out of the box.  It just
>>>> works.  Makes a great workstation and gives you the flexibility to
>>>> learn more when you're ready to start compiling stuff from source.
>>>>
>>>>distro flames > /dev/null
>>>>--
>>>>scot
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From admin at lctn.org  Tue May 27 08:30:09 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
Message-ID: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>

I am having trouble accessing samba shares from my local network. If I stop
ipchains it works fine. can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to
the following set up.

-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 25 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 80 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 21 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 22 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 443 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 445 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 110 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 135:139 -d 0/0 135:139 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
-A input -s 0/0 135:139 -d 0/0 135:139 -p udp -j ACCEPT

-A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -y -j REJECT
-A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -y -j REJECT
# -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -j REJECT
-A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -j REJECT
-A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6000:6009 -y -j REJECT
-A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 7100 -y -j REJECT
-A input -s 66.103.175.185 -d 0/0 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
-A input -j ACCEPT -p all -l -s 66.103.174.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0
-A output -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 135:139 -j ACCEPT
-A output -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 135:139 -y -j ACCEPT


-- 
Raymond Norton
Little Crow Telemedia Network
320-234-0270



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From kiler0n at ags-us.com  Tue May 27 08:16:01 2003
From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <OFC1B854EA.2A42FC9C-ON86256D33.0048889D-86256D33.00488158@ags-us.com>

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From dsherman at real-time.com  Tue May 27 08:23:29 2003
From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
In-Reply-To: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <3ED366D1.1060204@real-time.com>

Raymond Norton wrote:
> I am having trouble accessing samba shares from my local network. If I stop
> ipchains it works fine. can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to
> the following set up.
[snip]

Can you tell us a bit about what exactly isn't working? Is this config 
running on your Samba server, or a Linux/Samba client? Does every client 
PC have similar problems accessing the server? Can you reliably ping 
from client to server, and from server to client, using both IP and 
hostname? What method are you using to resolve host names - WINS, DNS, 
or peer-based workgroup browsing?

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, CCNA
"Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a 
windshield)...."
- Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com


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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Tue May 27 09:00:06 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE OpenExchange Server
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3571@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Just an update....everything is running beautifully!!! It turns out my isp never told me they block port 80....so after 5 or six calls to them over a month or so they finally mentioned this....and opened it for me and SuSE is making my users very happy.....
Dan

Thanks again for all the assistance offered and provided

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From admin at lctn.org  Tue May 27 09:46:30 2003
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
In-Reply-To: <3ED366D1.1060204@real-time.com>
References: <3ED366D1.1060204@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <36028.127.0.0.1.1054046790.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>

> [snip]
>
> Can you tell us a bit about what exactly isn't working? Is this config
> running on your Samba server, or a Linux/Samba client? Does every
> client  PC have similar problems accessing the server? Can you reliably
> ping  from client to server, and from server to client, using both IP
> and  hostname? What method are you using to resolve host names - WINS,
> DNS,  or peer-based workgroup browsing?

What I submitted was the firewall rules of the server

I can ping  back and forth

For now I am just trying to reach the samba share on my linux box from  XP,
2000, and NT


If I bring the firewall down I can reach the samba server and shares by IP



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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue May 27 09:50:42 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
In-Reply-To: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1054047043.31639.2601.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 08:30, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I am having trouble accessing samba shares from my local network. If I stop
> ipchains it works fine. can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to
> the following set up.
> 
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 25 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
[etc.]

You seem to be mostly matching on SYN packets (except for UDP streams)
with that '-y' flag.  Those packets are only for initiating a
connection.  Basically, your firewall seems to only let a client machine
say "Hello," replies with "Oh, hi," and then promptly starts ignoring
the client (sounds like some places I've been in real life..)

You'd probably have a lot more luck if you remove the '-y'

Rules similar to yours would probably work on a machine running
iptables, provided there's a rule to allow ESTABLISHED traffic, but
that's a whole other ball of wax...

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From marty at borderbound.com  Tue May 27 10:49:11 2003
From: marty at borderbound.com (Marty Olson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271043430.9862-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBIECHCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>

Yep, that's been my experience with GoDaddy as well.  I transferred my
domains (& client domains) to GoDaddy or DomainSite from NetSol and Register
starting a couple years ago to the present to prevent the excessive fees
NetSol and Register charge.

MPO

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:45 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards


On Tue, 27 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
> Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored,
> however, since I had it with register.com only they can restore it and
> they are holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is
> total BS, how do I get it restored without paying those scum sucking
> theive's ransom?

Just have to wait until they release the domain (each registrar does it
differently; could be up to a year), and re-register it if you don't want
to pay the fee. Of course, you risk losing your domain that way, too.  :(

With Godaddy, if you let it expire and want it back, they say they just
charge you the fee to re-register the domain.. 'course, never actually
wanted one of the ones I let expire back before, so I can't say for sure.

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 27 10:39:45 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03E@mail.temgweb.com>

Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored, however,
since I had it with register.com only they can restore it and they are
holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is total BS, how do I
get it restored without paying those scum sucking theive's ransom?

Jay

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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 27 10:59:20 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] godaddy transfers  (was: register.com bastards)
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBIECHCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
References: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBIECHCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
Message-ID: <200305271059.21063@slushman>

I was attempting to transfer one of my domains to godaddy, and apparently you 
cant do it with Mozilla.  Anyone else have this problem? I have yet to try it 
on other browsers, but I figured Mozilla would be supported before any of the 
others.

Jay


On Tuesday 27 May 2003 10:49 am, Marty Olson wrote:
> Yep, that's been my experience with GoDaddy as well.  I transferred my
> domains (& client domains) to GoDaddy or DomainSite from NetSol and
> Register starting a couple years ago to the present to prevent the
> excessive fees NetSol and Register charge.
>
> MPO
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From mj at jentges.net  Tue May 27 11:03:39 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE040@mail.temgweb.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE040@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <2140.199.199.150.6.1054051419.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>

"Oh, once it actually EXPIRES there is far more administrative work involved"

I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your experience to a few of
their customers.

That is out and out assinine.

-mj

And hence AUTHOR wrote: Austad, Jay
> So maybe I should just pay the fee, and then sue them in small claims
> court. :)  If nothing else, it will just piss them off and cost them
> money sending someone to appear for them.  Since they do business with
> people in minnesota, I can sue them here.
>
> They probably purposely didn't send me a renewal notice like I usually
> get so they can gouge me on more fees.  Aren't they essentially
> squatting on my domain since they are forcing me to pay to get it back
> from them?  Isn't squatting illegal?
>
> Maybe someone will file a class action against them, this is shady as
> hell.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marty Olson [mailto:marty@borderbound.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:49 AM
>> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
>>
>>
>> Yep, that's been my experience with GoDaddy as well.  I transferred my
>> domains (& client domains) to GoDaddy or DomainSite from
>> NetSol and Register
>> starting a couple years ago to the present to prevent the
>> excessive fees
>> NetSol and Register charge.
>>
>> MPO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:45 AM
>> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
>> > Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in
>> REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
>> > Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored,
>> however, since I had it with register.com only they can
>> restore it and
>> > they are holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is
>> total BS, how do I get it restored without paying those scum sucking
>> theive's ransom?
>>
>> Just have to wait until they release the domain (each
>> registrar does it
>> differently; could be up to a year), and re-register it if
>> you don't want
>> to pay the fee. Of course, you risk losing your domain that
>> way, too.  :(
>>
>> With Godaddy, if you let it expire and want it back, they say
>> they just
>> charge you the fee to re-register the domain.. 'course, never actually
>> wanted one of the ones I let expire back before, so I can't
>> say for sure.
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>>
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 27 11:05:08 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE040@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271101130.9862-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> So maybe I should just pay the fee, and then sue them in small claims
> court. :)  If nothing else, it will just piss them off and cost them
> money sending someone to appear for them.  Since they do business with
> people in minnesota, I can sue them here.
>
> They probably purposely didn't send me a renewal notice like I usually
> get so they can gouge me on more fees.  Aren't they essentially
> squatting on my domain since they are forcing me to pay to get it back
> from them?  Isn't squatting illegal?

Ah, yeah, if you didn't get a renewal notice, you may actually have a
case.

As I understand it, they registrars do have the right to sit on a domain
for awhile after it's expired, unless you specifically cancelled it - that
way, they can help the customer get it back. Not sure what gives them that
right, but all the registrars do it.

> Maybe someone will file a class action against them, this is shady as
> hell.

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Tue May 27 11:15:02 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271043430.9862-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271113010.16519-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Nate Carlson wrote:

> With Godaddy, if you let it expire and want it back, they say they just
> charge you the fee to re-register the domain.. 'course, never actually
> wanted one of the ones I let expire back before, so I can't say for sure.

I had a GoDaddy domain go expired for a month, I paid the $9 fee and my
site was back up in minutes.

-Brian


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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 27 10:58:31 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE040@mail.temgweb.com>

So maybe I should just pay the fee, and then sue them in small claims court.
:)  If nothing else, it will just piss them off and cost them money sending
someone to appear for them.  Since they do business with people in
minnesota, I can sue them here.

They probably purposely didn't send me a renewal notice like I usually get
so they can gouge me on more fees.  Aren't they essentially squatting on my
domain since they are forcing me to pay to get it back from them?  Isn't
squatting illegal?

Maybe someone will file a class action against them, this is shady as hell.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty Olson [mailto:marty@borderbound.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:49 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
> 
> 
> Yep, that's been my experience with GoDaddy as well.  I transferred my
> domains (& client domains) to GoDaddy or DomainSite from 
> NetSol and Register
> starting a couple years ago to the present to prevent the 
> excessive fees
> NetSol and Register charge.
> 
> MPO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:45 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
> 
> 
> On Tue, 27 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in 
> REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
> > Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored,
> > however, since I had it with register.com only they can 
> restore it and
> > they are holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is
> > total BS, how do I get it restored without paying those scum sucking
> > theive's ransom?
> 
> Just have to wait until they release the domain (each 
> registrar does it
> differently; could be up to a year), and re-register it if 
> you don't want
> to pay the fee. Of course, you risk losing your domain that 
> way, too.  :(
> 
> With Godaddy, if you let it expire and want it back, they say 
> they just
> charge you the fee to re-register the domain.. 'course, never actually
> wanted one of the ones I let expire back before, so I can't 
> say for sure.
> 
> --
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> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 27 11:31:41 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards 
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE042@mail.temgweb.com>

If I pay the court though, Register.com does not have to accept payment from
them, do they?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@skuld.wookimus.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: Austad, Jay
> Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Chewie
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards 
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com>  wrote:
> > > I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your 
> experience to a few
> > > of their customers.
> > 
> > I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after 
> telling them
> > how much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than $200
> > after this is over with.
> 
> I would pay the court along with your claim.  That way, Register.com
> will be forced to deal with you in court if they want their 
> money.  The
> court will let them know that you've indeed paid the requested amount,
> but that you're disputing the fees.  This technique is often 
> used when a
> renter disagrees with or dislikes the landlord's service -- i.e. the
> pipes burst and the landlord hasn't bothered to fix it in a 
> respectable
> timeframe.
> 
> I would examine the License Agreement you approved with your domain
> registration and go over it with a lawyer.  Who knows.  
> Perhaps a Judge
> will find Register.com's practice to be illegal, or at least not up to
> par with it's competitors.  You actually OWN the domain name until it
> expires, and although some third party could pounce on your 
> inattendance
> to detail, a registrar shouldn't be able to force you to pay for their
> services.  If anything, it's bad business.
> 
> I'm certain you have a case.
> 
> -- 
> Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
> 

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From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net  Tue May 27 11:19:13 2003
From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 May 2003 11:08:46 CDT."
             <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE041@mail.temgweb.com> 
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE041@mail.temgweb.com> 
Message-ID: <20030527161913.A145160BF9@wookimus.net>

"Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com>  wrote:
> > I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your experience to a few
> > of their customers.
> 
> I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after telling them
> how much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than $200
> after this is over with.

I would pay the court along with your claim.  That way, Register.com
will be forced to deal with you in court if they want their money.  The
court will let them know that you've indeed paid the requested amount,
but that you're disputing the fees.  This technique is often used when a
renter disagrees with or dislikes the landlord's service -- i.e. the
pipes burst and the landlord hasn't bothered to fix it in a respectable
timeframe.

I would examine the License Agreement you approved with your domain
registration and go over it with a lawyer.  Who knows.  Perhaps a Judge
will find Register.com's practice to be illegal, or at least not up to
par with it's competitors.  You actually OWN the domain name until it
expires, and although some third party could pounce on your inattendance
to detail, a registrar shouldn't be able to force you to pay for their
services.  If anything, it's bad business.

I'm certain you have a case.

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Tue May 27 10:31:49 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
In-Reply-To: <1054047043.31639.2601.camel@3po.thodt.net>
References: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org> 
     <1054047043.31639.2601.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <51730.192.168.70.246.1054049509.squirrel@us-admins.com>

Mike Hicks said:
> On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 08:30, Raymond Norton wrote:
>> I am having trouble accessing samba shares from my local network. If I
>> stop
>> ipchains it works fine. can anyone tell me what changes I need to make
>> to
>> the following set up.
>>
>> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 25 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> [etc.]
>
> You seem to be mostly matching on SYN packets (except for UDP streams)
> with that '-y' flag.  Those packets are only for initiating a
> connection.  Basically, your firewall seems to only let a client machine
> say "Hello," replies with "Oh, hi," and then promptly starts ignoring
> the client (sounds like some places I've been in real life..)

Like compusa u mean?

Your assessment looks right to me. Additionally i'd recommend and upgrade
to a 2.4 kernel and iptables.

>
> You'd probably have a lot more luck if you remove the '-y'
>
> Rules similar to yours would probably work on a machine running
> iptables, provided there's a rule to allow ESTABLISHED traffic, but
> that's a whole other ball of wax...
>
> --
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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 27 10:44:53 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03E@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271043430.9862-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
> Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored,
> however, since I had it with register.com only they can restore it and
> they are holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is
> total BS, how do I get it restored without paying those scum sucking
> theive's ransom?

Just have to wait until they release the domain (each registrar does it
differently; could be up to a year), and re-register it if you don't want
to pay the fee. Of course, you risk losing your domain that way, too.  :(

With Godaddy, if you let it expire and want it back, they say they just
charge you the fee to re-register the domain.. 'course, never actually
wanted one of the ones I let expire back before, so I can't say for sure.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Tue May 27 11:05:43 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] godaddy transfers  (was: register.com bastards)
In-Reply-To: <200305271059.21063@slushman>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271105150.9862-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:
> I was attempting to transfer one of my domains to godaddy, and
> apparently you cant do it with Mozilla.  Anyone else have this
> problem? I have yet to try it on other browsers, but I figured Mozilla
> would be supported before any of the others.

Huh! Odd.. I've done it recently in Konq, and in Mozilla probably 1-2
years ago.. never had any browser compatibility problems with them. (One
of the major reasons I switched to the from Netsol, besides price..)

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 27 11:08:46 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE041@mail.temgweb.com>

> I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your experience to a few of
> their customers.

I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after telling them how
much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than $200 after this
is over with.


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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue May 27 11:06:29 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Handouts was: TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <20030527051906.2e73ad34.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu> <20030527051906.2e73ad34.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200305271106.29473@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Tuesday 27 May 2003 05:19 am, Shawn wrote:
> But then we're right back at the point of saying "let's hand out other
> distro's as well instead of ONLY RedHat."  The point of the original email
> in reply to this announcement was to state the opinion that other distros
> should be handed out as well, not just RedHat.  Which I think is entirely
> fair.

IMHO

I say the people who work the booth can hand out any distro they want. Just 
like an open source project, those that do the work, get to do what they 
"want". Ditto for the people who do all the leg work for getting the cds 
burned and labeled, etc. Those with the most nosphere get to do what they 
want.

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May 27 12:26:31 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Handouts was: TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
In-Reply-To: <200305271106.29473@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:06:29AM -0500
References: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com> <3ED32C2F.6050102@gac.edu> <20030527051906.2e73ad34.sfertch@real-time.com> <200305271106.29473@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20030527122631.A1386@thinkunix.net>

I agree with Bob.  Work the booth and handout whatever you like.
Consider this thread dead.

Bob Tanner wrote:
> I say the people who work the booth can hand out any distro they want. Just 
> like an open source project, those that do the work, get to do what they 
> "want". Ditto for the people who do all the leg work for getting the cds 
> burned and labeled, etc. Those with the most nosphere get to do what they 
> want.

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From hackel at walkingfish.com  Tue May 27 13:50:22 2003
From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
In-Reply-To: <20030527050304.3395d210.sfertch@real-time.com>
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
	 <20030527072950.GL21344@techmonkeys.org>
	 <20030527050304.3395d210.sfertch@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <1054061421.30933.15.camel@hackel.hn.org>

On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 05:03, Shawn wrote:
>   We bought a Uniden a few years back, and it worked nearly flawlessly until it got dropped off our porch onto the driveway.  Sound quality was excellent, better than the POS AT&T unit we have now and many others.
>   I spent well over $250 on the phone system (included a digital answerer) then, after a month of so of searching and checking reviews.  Not all Unidens are "sucky" or crap.  I found that it's a "get what you pay for" market in cordless phones.  Anything under $125 and you're just throwing money away.

I just got a 900 MHzvtech phone from CompUSA that's $4.999 after
rebate!  Works great! lol  At least for the amount of calling I do...  I
think it's crazy to spend -more- than $50 on a phone, myself.  I mean,
it's just a phone.  Spend your money on a good computer. ;)

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From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu  Tue May 27 13:50:21 2003
From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
Message-ID: <sed36d2e.007@fm-gw.facm.umn.edu>

IANAL...(as most of us are most likely not)

I think this is called probate court, and at least in the case of
renters, I believe the receipt you receive after paying the court is to
be treated as a post-dated check, more or less. If you did this with
your landlord, this restricts them from evicting you because you have
indeed paid your rent, but they can't actually get the money until you
agree that the initial conditions that caused that action (e.g. burst
pipes) are sufficiently repaired. So I think register.com would have to
treat it as direct payment and deal with you in court to actually get
the $200.

Anyone able to confirm or deny this? (Make sure you let us know the
outcome, either way. This is interesting!)

>>> JAustad@temgweb.com 05/27/03 11:31AM >>>
If I pay the court though, Register.com does not have to accept payment
from
them, do they?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@skuld.wookimus.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: Austad, Jay
> Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Chewie
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards 
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com>  wrote:
> > > I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your 
> experience to a few
> > > of their customers.
> > 
> > I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after 
> telling them
> > how much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than
$200
> > after this is over with.
> 
> I would pay the court along with your claim.  That way, Register.com
> will be forced to deal with you in court if they want their 
> money.  The
> court will let them know that you've indeed paid the requested
amount,
> but that you're disputing the fees.  This technique is often 
> used when a
> renter disagrees with or dislikes the landlord's service -- i.e. the
> pipes burst and the landlord hasn't bothered to fix it in a 
> respectable
> timeframe.
> 
> I would examine the License Agreement you approved with your domain
> registration and go over it with a lawyer.  Who knows.  
> Perhaps a Judge
> will find Register.com's practice to be illegal, or at least not up
to
> par with it's competitors.  You actually OWN the domain name until
it
> expires, and although some third party could pounce on your 
> inattendance
> to detail, a registrar shouldn't be able to force you to pay for
their
> services.  If anything, it's bad business.
> 
> I'm certain you have a case.
> 
> -- 
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>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
> 

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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May 27 15:00:10 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <sed36d2e.007@fm-gw.facm.umn.edu>
References: <sed36d2e.007@fm-gw.facm.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <27148.63.137.56.228.1054065610.squirrel@dccmn.com>

Hmmm.  Probate court is for settling wills.  Small Claims is where this
should go.

John Hoffoss said:
> IANAL...(as most of us are most likely not)
>
> I think this is called probate court, and at least in the case of
> renters, I believe the receipt you receive after paying the court is to
> be treated as a post-dated check, more or less. If you did this with
> your landlord, this restricts them from evicting you because you have
> indeed paid your rent, but they can't actually get the money until you
> agree that the initial conditions that caused that action (e.g. burst
> pipes) are sufficiently repaired. So I think register.com would have to
> treat it as direct payment and deal with you in court to actually get
> the $200.
>
> Anyone able to confirm or deny this? (Make sure you let us know the
> outcome, either way. This is interesting!)
>
>>>> JAustad@temgweb.com 05/27/03 11:31AM >>>
> If I pay the court though, Register.com does not have to accept payment
> from
> them, do they?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@skuld.wookimus.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:19 AM
>> To: Austad, Jay
>> Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Chewie
>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
>>
>>
>> "Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com>  wrote:
>> > > I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your
>> experience to a few
>> > > of their customers.
>> >
>> > I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after
>> telling them
>> > how much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than
> $200
>> > after this is over with.
>>
>> I would pay the court along with your claim.  That way, Register.com
>> will be forced to deal with you in court if they want their
>> money.  The
>> court will let them know that you've indeed paid the requested
> amount,
>> but that you're disputing the fees.  This technique is often
>> used when a
>> renter disagrees with or dislikes the landlord's service -- i.e. the
>> pipes burst and the landlord hasn't bothered to fix it in a
>> respectable
>> timeframe.
>>
>> I would examine the License Agreement you approved with your domain
>> registration and go over it with a lawyer.  Who knows.
>> Perhaps a Judge
>> will find Register.com's practice to be illegal, or at least not up
> to
>> par with it's competitors.  You actually OWN the domain name until
> it
>> expires, and although some third party could pounce on your
>> inattendance
>> to detail, a registrar shouldn't be able to force you to pay for
> their
>> services.  If anything, it's bad business.
>>
>> I'm certain you have a case.
>>
>> --
>> Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>
> http://www.wookimus.net/
>>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>>
>
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From pcdoc at snapreporter.com  Tue May 27 15:11:47 2003
From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03B@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271506250.10944-100000@linux.inhouse.com>

I have an expandable Panasonic 2.4 ghz 2 line system.  I only have 2 extra
handsets with it, but it has worked great so far.  I keep one handset at
my business partner's house (about 3 houses away) and it works great from
there as well.  I don't know about interference with wireless networks as
I do not have that up and going yet.  I don't keep track of the battery
life much because I keep the handsets in their bases most of the time, but
I do know they last at least 3 days on standby.  I bought all my stuff off
eBay factory referb. for about 1/2 list price.

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:

> I need another phone for my house.  I was thinking of getting an expandable
> system, but after buying a Siemens system and returning it because of poor
> sound quality, I figured I should probably ask around to forego having to
> return a bunch of phone because they suck.
>
> I was thinking of either the Panasonic expandable, which is 2.4ghz, but I
> want to make sure it's not going to interfere with my wireless network.  I
> have a Panasonic one now, but it's only 2.4ghz one way and 900 the other.
> It doesn't interfere too much.  Or I was thinking about the Uniden 5.8ghz
> system.  I read mixed reviews on both of them though.  My primary concerns
> are sound quality and battery life.  My roomie has a Uniden phone, just a
> 900mhz, and the sound quality is crap.  But it's also a cheap phone.
>
> I saw some phones by EnGenius which are long range 900mhz DSS phones.  They
> actually look quite decent, but they are expensive and I would assume that
> the increased power output of these will drain the battery fairly quickly.
> I found a long range cordless phone on Ebay by Senao which has a range of up
> to 230km.  Unfortunately, it's not legal for use here as it uses frequencies
> somewhere between 230 and 450mhz.  It's a seller in Austrailia.
>
> I also have a Spectralink 802.11b cordless phone, but I don't have a POTS
> gateway to use it with yet.  Has anyone used these?  How are they?
>
> So, I basically have 4 choices:
> 1. Panasonic
> 2. Uniden 5.8ghz
> 3. Spectralink system
> 4. Some unknown as of yet super cool phone system that I haven't heard
> about.
>
> Jay
>
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May 27 15:17:46 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains/samba
In-Reply-To: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <34363.66.103.174.67.1054042209.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <28700.63.137.56.228.1054066666.squirrel@dccmn.com>

Samba, AFAIK, uses ports 137:139, not 135:139.

If this is on a gateway machine (i.e. one interface on the internet, the
other in-house), you probably do not want Samba talking on the outside
interface.  Not only does it open the door to hacking, everyone can see
your shares.  Put a -i eth1 (assuming eth1 is your inside interface) in
the rules to only open to the inside interface.

Neither of these changes should fix your firewall to work, just tightens
up the hole.

As said elsewhere, the -y is probably screwing things up a bit.

Raymond Norton said:
> I am having trouble accessing samba shares from my local network. If I
> stop ipchains it works fine. can anyone tell me what changes I need to
> make to the following set up.
>
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 25 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 80 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 21 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 22 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 443 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 445 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 110 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 135:139 -d 0/0 135:139 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT
> -A input -s 0/0 135:139 -d 0/0 135:139 -p udp -j ACCEPT
>
> -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -i lo -j ACCEPT
> -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -y -j REJECT
> -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -y -j REJECT
> # -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -j REJECT
> -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -j REJECT
> -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6000:6009 -y -j REJECT
> -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 7100 -y -j REJECT
> -A input -s 66.103.175.185 -d 0/0 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
> -A input -j ACCEPT -p all -l -s 66.103.174.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0
> -A output -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 135:139 -j ACCEPT
> -A output -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 135:139 -y -j ACCEPT
>
>
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>
>
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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Tue May 27 15:22:29 2003
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Expect
In-Reply-To: <200305271516.10389@slushman>
References: <200305271516.10389@slushman>
Message-ID: <20030527202229.GA32175@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 03:16:10PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote:
> I am learning expect to automate a few tasks here, and am looking for the 
> octal code of the esc key. (I think thats what I need, isnt it?) As I am sure 
> I will also need ^c ^d and others, where can I look this up?
> 

Debian has an "ascii" package with a command-line lookup
util ("man 1 ascii").  Very handy.

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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 27 15:16:10 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Expect
Message-ID: <200305271516.10389@slushman>

I am learning expect to automate a few tasks here, and am looking for the 
octal code of the esc key. (I think thats what I need, isnt it?) As I am sure 
I will also need ^c ^d and others, where can I look this up?

Jay

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From adamm at sihope.com  Tue May 27 15:18:23 2003
From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Expect
In-Reply-To: <200305271516.10389@slushman>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305271517510.16072-100000@unix1.sihope.com>

033

"man ascii" in the BSD world - I use it two or three times a week.
  (I should have this thing memorized by now anyways <g> ).

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:

> I am learning expect to automate a few tasks here, and am looking for the 
> octal code of the esc key. (I think thats what I need, isnt it?) As I am sure 
> I will also need ^c ^d and others, where can I look this up?
> 
> Jay
> 
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> 
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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Tue May 27 14:27:28 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE045@mail.temgweb.com>

I just bought a Panasonic TG1050N system.  Retails for $249, got it for $77.
:)  If it sucks, I can sell it on Ebay or something.  I'll buy expansion
handsets if it works decent.  It has 3 voicemail boxes too, and I have 2
roomies.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Hayle [mailto:hackel@walkingfish.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 05:03, Shawn wrote:
> >   We bought a Uniden a few years back, and it worked nearly 
> flawlessly until it got dropped off our porch onto the 
> driveway.  Sound quality was excellent, better than the POS 
> AT&T unit we have now and many others.
> >   I spent well over $250 on the phone system (included a 
> digital answerer) then, after a month of so of searching and 
> checking reviews.  Not all Unidens are "sucky" or crap.  I 
> found that it's a "get what you pay for" market in cordless 
> phones.  Anything under $125 and you're just throwing money away.
> 
> I just got a 900 MHzvtech phone from CompUSA that's $4.999 after
> rebate!  Works great! lol  At least for the amount of calling 
> I do...  I
> think it's crazy to spend -more- than $50 on a phone, myself.  I mean,
> it's just a phone.  Spend your money on a good computer. ;)
> 
> -- 
> Ryan Hayle <hackel@walkingfish.com>
> 
> 
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May 27 14:57:41 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <.12.119.248.62.1054052471.squirrel@www.mattware.com>
References: <.12.119.248.62.1054052471.squirrel@www.mattware.com>
Message-ID: <26914.63.137.56.228.1054065461.squirrel@dccmn.com>

At least according to Judge Wapner, all you need to do is note the payment
is in dispute on the memo area of the check.  That way you can prove that
you were in dispute the fee before payment, thus keeping your right to
sue.

I believe that in Minnesota, you need to file with the Sec of State to sue
out-of-state corporations. Otherwise you have to file in the home state of
the defendant.

Austad, Jay said:
> If I pay the court though, Register.com does not have to accept payment
> from them, do they?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@skuld.wookimus.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:19 AM
>> To: Austad, Jay
>> Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Chewie
>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
>>
>>
>> "Austad, Jay" <JAustad@temgweb.com>  wrote:
>> > > I think I'd try to find a way to propogate your
>> experience to a few
>> > > of their customers.
>> >
>> > I need my domain back, so I'll probably pay the fee after
>> telling them
>> > how much they suck.  But, they are going to lose much more than $200
>> after this is over with.
>>
>> I would pay the court along with your claim.  That way, Register.com
>> will be forced to deal with you in court if they want their
>> money.  The
>> court will let them know that you've indeed paid the requested amount,
>> but that you're disputing the fees.  This technique is often
>> used when a
>> renter disagrees with or dislikes the landlord's service -- i.e. the
>> pipes burst and the landlord hasn't bothered to fix it in a
>> respectable
>> timeframe.
>>
>> I would examine the License Agreement you approved with your domain
>> registration and go over it with a lawyer.  Who knows.
>> Perhaps a Judge
>> will find Register.com's practice to be illegal, or at least not up to
>> par with it's competitors.  You actually OWN the domain name until it
>> expires, and although some third party could pounce on your
>> inattendance
>> to detail, a registrar shouldn't be able to force you to pay for their
>> services.  If anything, it's bad business.
>>
>> I'm certain you have a case.
>>
>> --
>> Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>>
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Tue May 27 15:22:11 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Expect
In-Reply-To: <200305271516.10389@slushman>
References: <200305271516.10389@slushman>
Message-ID: <29088.63.137.56.228.1054066931.squirrel@dccmn.com>

I assume you want it in ASCII. (there is also EBCDIC for users on
mainframes).

Esc is 033 or (0x01b in hex).
^c is 003
^d is 004

Google for an ASCII chart.

Jay Kline said:
> I am learning expect to automate a few tasks here, and am looking for
> the  octal code of the esc key. (I think thats what I need, isnt it?) As
> I am sure  I will also need ^c ^d and others, where can I look this up?
>
> Jay
>
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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 27 15:50:16 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Expect
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305271517510.16072-100000@unix1.sihope.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10305271517510.16072-100000@unix1.sihope.com>
Message-ID: <200305271550.16782@slushman>

On Tuesday 27 May 2003 03:18 pm, Adam Maloney wrote:
> 033
>
> "man ascii" in the BSD world - I use it two or three times a week.
>   (I should have this thing memorized by now anyways <g> ).


heh.. the redhat box I was on dosnt have a man page for ascii, but apparently 
debian does, so all is well and good with an ssh connection. Thanks.

Jay

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Tue May 27 15:57:09 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] godaddy transfers  (was: register.com bastards)
In-Reply-To: <200305271059.21063@slushman>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271556080.17254-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:

> I was attempting to transfer one of my domains to godaddy, and apparently you 
> cant do it with Mozilla.  Anyone else have this problem? I have yet to try it 
> on other browsers, but I figured Mozilla would be supported before any of the 
> others.

When was this?  There was a time when their site was basically unusable by
any other browser than the evil one, but they've since changed their site
code and it works fine in Opera, haven't tried Mozilla.

-Brian



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From foeclan at visi.com  Tue May 27 16:01:01 2003
From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] godaddy transfers 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271556080.17254-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271556080.17254-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <3ED3D20D.2070605@visi.com>

>
>
>I was attempting to transfer one of my domains to godaddy, and apparently you 
>cant do it with Mozilla.  Anyone else have this problem? I have yet to try it 
>on other browsers, but I figured Mozilla would be supported before any of the 
>others.
>  
>
I just transferred mine to GoDaddy in April using Mozilla, so it doesn't 
seem to be a problem at this point.

Michael Vieths
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From rodneyray at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 14:08:32 2003
From: rodneyray at earthlink.net (Rodney Ray)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root/admin password reset.
Message-ID: <1425330.1054069714865.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

I have a MNF firewall set up,the date at install  was MM/DD/2000. I changed the date and locked me out. I assume it has a experation date on the passwords. It took a long time to get MNF to work on sprints network and really do not want to reinstall. Is there a way to change the passwordsd on root and admin? 

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From list at slushpupie.com  Tue May 27 16:02:53 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] godaddy transfers  (was: register.com bastards)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271556080.17254-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271556080.17254-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <200305271602.53914@slushman>

Last Thursday, before I left for my 4 day weekend :-)

Jay

On Tuesday 27 May 2003 03:57 pm, Brian wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2003, Jay Kline wrote:
> > I was attempting to transfer one of my domains to godaddy, and apparently
> > you cant do it with Mozilla.  Anyone else have this problem? I have yet
> > to try it on other browsers, but I figured Mozilla would be supported
> > before any of the others.
>
> When was this?  There was a time when their site was basically unusable by
> any other browser than the evil one, but they've since changed their site
> code and it works fine in Opera, haven't tried Mozilla.

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From dsherman at real-time.com  Tue May 27 16:14:28 2003
From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] root/admin password reset.
In-Reply-To: <1425330.1054069714865.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <1425330.1054069714865.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3ED3D534.3080609@real-time.com>

Rodney Ray wrote:
> I have a MNF firewall set up,the date at install  was MM/DD/2000. I changed the date and locked me out. I assume it has a experation date on the passwords. It took a long time to get MNF to work on sprints network and really do not want to reinstall. Is there a way to change the passwordsd on root and admin? 

Assuming MNF==Mandrake Multiple-Network Firewall, and assuming that 
their firewall product is similar to their workstation and server 
distribution, then you can boot the firewall from the first install CD, 
choose "repair" or something like it, and go ahead and change the root 
password at the console.


-- 
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From david at acz.org  Tue May 27 19:05:38 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE03E@mail.temgweb.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c324ac$dea78040$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Austad, Jay writes:
> Oops, I let one of my domains expire and now it's in REDEMPTIONSTATUS.
> Supposedly, I should just be able to request that it be restored,
> however, since I had it with register.com only they can restore it
> and they are holding it hostage for $200 + registration fee.  This is
> total BS, how do I get it restored without paying those scum sucking
> theive's ransom?

You could pay the fee, transfer it to another registrar (such as directNIC),
then after the transfer goes through, charge back the fee.  Though, you
might lose the chargeback dispute.

-- 
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From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Tue May 27 19:59:41 2003
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305271506250.10944-100000@linux.inhouse.com>
Message-ID: <007801c324b4$6be7ea60$1336a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

I have an AT&T two phone system that was purchased at Sams Club. It was just
under $100 dollars. It seems to work fine, sounds fine and doesn't seem to
be interfering with the wireless in the house. It has three voice mail boxes
and date time call received announcement.

Joseph

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe" <pcdoc@snapreporter.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones


> I have an expandable Panasonic 2.4 ghz 2 line system.  I only have 2 extra
> handsets with it, but it has worked great so far.  I keep one handset at
> my business partner's house (about 3 houses away) and it works great from
> there as well.  I don't know about interference with wireless networks as
> I do not have that up and going yet.  I don't keep track of the battery
> life much because I keep the handsets in their bases most of the time, but
> I do know they last at least 3 days on standby.  I bought all my stuff off
> eBay factory referb. for about 1/2 list price.
>
> On Mon, 26 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
>



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From steven.robrahn at mail.northcentral.edu  Tue May 27 21:40:34 2003
From: steven.robrahn at mail.northcentral.edu (Steven Robrahn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI RAID controller recommendations
Message-ID: <3ED421A2.4020800@mail.northcentral.edu>

I need to build a big (3,147GB drives) SCSI RAID array for a web/file 
server for the students at our University, and I want to run it on 
Debian.  Any suggestions for controllers that will work with Debian.  A 
couple of our techs have been pounding away at the Intel SRCU31L 
controller that came with the chassis our boss wants to use with limited 
to poor success.  I've never done this with Linux, so any help would be 
appreciated.

Steve Robrahn
North Central University
Information Technology Department
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Tue May 27 22:09:57 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] register.com bastards
In-Reply-To: <006e01c324ac$dea78040$0201a8c0@brinstar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305272209060.17903-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, David Phillips wrote:

> You could pay the fee, transfer it to another registrar (such as directNIC),
> then after the transfer goes through, charge back the fee.  Though, you
> might lose the chargeback dispute.

I think the court option gives you much better chances.  With the credit
card you have a shaky line of defense, and if that falls through you have
nothing to go on.  They have your money, so good luck getting it back.



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From marty at borderbound.com  Tue May 27 23:04:33 2003
From: marty at borderbound.com (Marty Olson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305272209060.17903-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEGPCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>

I have some issues with a firewall that was put in our network.  Can I
forward questions regarding the problem to this board for some assistance.
I'm not very technical and am in a bind.

any help is greatly appreciated.

Marty


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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May 27 23:12:48 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEGPCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>; from marty@borderbound.com on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:04:33PM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305272209060.17903-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net> <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEGPCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
Message-ID: <20030527231248.A30205@thinkunix.net>

I suppose it depends on what kind of firewall.  Linux based?  Cisco?
Checkpoint?  

If Linux based, ask away.  If not, just post your question as OT (off topic).
I'm sure someone on this list has run in with your type of firewall and
could give help offlist.

Marty Olson wrote:
> I have some issues with a firewall that was put in our network.  Can I
> forward questions regarding the problem to this board for some assistance.
> I'm not very technical and am in a bind.

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From clay at fandre.com  Tue May 20 15:11:28 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at UpSwing Business Expo
Message-ID: <20030520201128.GI20362@fandre.com>

Missed the Strictly Business Expo because you had to work? Well don't
worry. The TCLUG will be at next week's UpSwing Business Expo
(http://www.upswingexpo.com). The Expo is from 5pm - 7:30pm on May
29th at the Minneapolis Marriott Southwest.

There will be great music, great people, great food and great drinks
along with over 100 companies exhibiting and 500-700 business leaders.

The expo is free and all you need to get in is a business card.  For
more information check out UpSwing Business Expo website:
http://www.upswingexpo.com/


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From marty at borderbound.com  Tue May 27 23:20:32 2003
From: marty at borderbound.com (Marty Olson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <20030527231248.A30205@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBGEHCCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>

it's a linux firewall.  we can get out to internet (browsing) and use
squirrel mail OK, but can't get POP3 mail or streaming video / audio or IM
and cannot ping www.yahoo.com but can reach it.  are these certain ports
that are closed?

kind of grasping, but any assistance is most appreciated.

thanks

Marty

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To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network questions...


I suppose it depends on what kind of firewall.  Linux based?  Cisco?
Checkpoint?

If Linux based, ask away.  If not, just post your question as OT (off
topic).
I'm sure someone on this list has run in with your type of firewall and
could give help offlist.

Marty Olson wrote:
> I have some issues with a firewall that was put in our network.  Can I
> forward questions regarding the problem to this board for some assistance.
> I'm not very technical and am in a bind.

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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Tue May 27 23:36:21 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBGEHCCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>; from marty@borderbound.com on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:20:32PM -0500
References: <20030527231248.A30205@thinkunix.net> <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBGEHCCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
Message-ID: <20030527233621.A16517@thinkunix.net>

a good firewall starts with all ports closed and only opens the very
minimal set needed.  sounds like just 80 (web/http) and possibly 443
(https) are open.  depending on what version of the linux kernel the
firewall is running, you'll need to add ipchains (2.2.x kernels) or
iptables (2.4.x kernels) rules to allow the other ports necessary.

check here for the complete port listings:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers

ping inbound and/or outbound can be disabled via firewall rules.  I
wouldn't worry about this unless you deem it *really* important to ping
outside sites.

Marty Olson wrote:
> it's a linux firewall.  we can get out to internet (browsing) and use
> squirrel mail OK, but can't get POP3 mail or streaming video / audio or IM
> and cannot ping www.yahoo.com but can reach it.  are these certain ports
> that are closed?


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From jspinti at dartdist.com  Wed May 28 08:02:30 2003
From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) SCO comic
Message-ID: <200305280802.30735.jspinti@dartdist.com>

Too good to pass up:

http://ubersoft.net/kpanic/index.html
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From nota12b at mail.iglide.net  Wed May 28 09:44:54 2003
From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Distro Handouts
Message-ID: <200305280844.AA1725300834@mail.iglide.net>

OK, MY .02


They may well be interested in walking away with a distro ? choice 
being optional ? but HOW? ?Nekkid? CDs in a coat pocket can get 
dropped/scratched/broken/etc. Instead? Have a mailing list. Yes, a 
mailing list. Rather than ?here have this for free? have them give 
a name/address combination, and the change necessary to cover 
postage/envelope (guess here, but maybe $1.50?). It?d come in the 
mail in a few days. No ?leftovers? not given away. And IF it 
warranted (enough requests) then maybe the TCLUG-stamped idea I 
saw in an earlier post might be in order? Yes, handing over at the 
event certainly has merit, and some may balk at giving personal 
info, but at least you?ve addressed the possibility of  ?distro of 
choice? to the most important person ? the one that ASKED for it. 
And hopefully before he/she asked for it, the Lugger helped make 
sure to match-up the distro to the person on the ?geek-o-meter? 
reference chart.

And for the truly adventurous, multiple distros could be supplied 
in the mailing. Postage may vary if they ask for ALL of them ;-).

Wil
"Never argue with an idiot.
People might get you confused."
M. Twain


>On Tue, 27 May 2003 04:13:19 -0500
>Justin Haaheim <jhaahei2@gac.edu> wrote:
>
>> If I'm not mistaken, the idea of giving out the cd's is to 
attract 
>> people to linux.  I'm not sure that having a weeding agent 
helps our 
>> cause.  Sure, a redhat system and a slack system and a gentoo 
system
>> are all fundamentally similar -- they're all linux.  But 
installing
>> gentoo took me days and installing redhat took me 45 minutes.  
If the
>> people we're giving these cd's to are well-versed and 
interested in
>> spending the time on a debian or gentoo install, then fine, but 
then I
>> don't think those kind of people would immediately associate 
linux
>> with redhat.  Keep in mind, there's a difference between 
associating
>> linux with redhat and associating easy-and-transparent-linux 
with
>> redhat.
>
>But then we're right back at the point of saying "let's hand out 
other distro's as well instead of ONLY RedHat."  The point of the 
original email in reply to this announcement was to state the 
opinion that other distros should be handed out as well, not just 
RedHat.  Which I think is entirely fair.
>
>By having multiple distros there to be handed out, it shows the 
versatility of each distro and Linux itself.  Personally, if I was 
there and had the option of snagging a new distro which I hadn't 
tried, I would.  Yes, I know Linux.  But, it's not "only" suits 
that go to these Expos.  On top of that, some "suits" have a very 
good understanding of what's going on and what Linux is.
>
>Getting back to the original e-mail awhile ago...  Why not make 
some copies of other distros to hand out as well?  Don't have to 
make as many as the RH cd's, but I do think other distros deserve 
to be handed out as well.
>
>I'm sick of the "Oh, I installed Linux 7.2 (or enter latest RH 
version)" statement personally.  Then I go into my tirade about 
how RH does not equal "Linux" on the person who said it.
>
>-- 
>Shawn
>
>The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is 
laughter.
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From list at slushpupie.com  Wed May 28 10:12:30 2003
From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Home and End keys
Message-ID: <200305281012.31058@slushman>

After using a few redhat boxes for a while, I have become accustom to having 
the Home and End keys of the keyboard jump the the begining or end of the 
line in terminals and consoles.  I am using Debian on another system of mine, 
and the behavior is different.  End does the same, but Home just prints a ~.  
Where do I go about changing this behavior? 

Jay

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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed May 28 09:52:51 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Distro Handouts
In-Reply-To: <200305280844.AA1725300834@mail.iglide.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305280947390.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

On Wed, 28 May 2003, Wil wrote:
> "Nekkid" CDs in a coat pocket can get dropped/scratched/broken/etc.

 I suspect that's why we bought jewel cases. :)
 And yeah, the rest of your email has merit.  The only counterpoint that 
comes to mind is the "instant gratification" factor.  (Come on, don't you 
want your geek toys right when you order them?)

     Jima


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From mj at jentges.net  Wed May 28 10:14:57 2003
From: mj at jentges.net (M. Jentges)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI RAID controller recommendations
In-Reply-To: <3ED421A2.4020800@mail.northcentral.edu>
References: <3ED421A2.4020800@mail.northcentral.edu>
Message-ID: <3ED4D271.8050206@jentges.net>

Well I can't say for CERTAIN with Debian, but I've had extremely good 
luck with the Compaq Smart* units using RedHat, Slackware and FreeBSD. 
It uses the cpqarray module so I'd have to think at the most you're 
looking at a custom kernel build if it's not supported by default.

-mj



Steven Robrahn wrote:

> I need to build a big (3,147GB drives) SCSI RAID array for a web/file 
> server for the students at our University, and I want to run it on 
> Debian.  Any suggestions for controllers that will work with Debian.  
> A couple of our techs have been pounding away at the Intel SRCU31L 
> controller that came with the chassis our boss wants to use with 
> limited to poor success.  I've never done this with Linux, so any help 
> would be appreciated.
>
> Steve Robrahn
> North Central University
> Information Technology Department
> 612.343.4756
>
>
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From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net  Wed May 28 10:19:59 2003
From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Home and End keys
In-Reply-To: <200305281012.31058@slushman>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, May 28, 2003 at 10:12:30AM -0500
References: <200305281012.31058@slushman>
Message-ID: <20030528101959.B18130@thinkunix.net>

don't have my debian system handy at the moment, but under redhat, it's
/etc/inputrc (systemwide) or $HOME/.inputrc (personal).  man bash(1) and
search for 'INPUTRC'.  Debian should be similar.

Jay Kline wrote:
> After using a few redhat boxes for a while, I have become accustom to having 
> the Home and End keys of the keyboard jump the the begining or end of the 
> line in terminals and consoles.  I am using Debian on another system of mine, 
> and the behavior is different.  End does the same, but Home just prints a ~.  
> Where do I go about changing this behavior? 

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From marty at borderbound.com  Wed May 28 10:22:39 2003
From: marty at borderbound.com (Marty Olson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <20030527233621.A16517@thinkunix.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEHKCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>

We have a hangup with a Mandrake Firewall.  Anyone available for some
phone-support / trouble shoot, give me a call ASAP.

Marty Olson
BorderBound Communications
612-331-9980

thanks in advance.

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From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scot Jenkins
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:36 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] network questions...


a good firewall starts with all ports closed and only opens the very
minimal set needed.  sounds like just 80 (web/http) and possibly 443
(https) are open.  depending on what version of the linux kernel the
firewall is running, you'll need to add ipchains (2.2.x kernels) or
iptables (2.4.x kernels) rules to allow the other ports necessary.

check here for the complete port listings:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers

ping inbound and/or outbound can be disabled via firewall rules.  I
wouldn't worry about this unless you deem it *really* important to ping
outside sites.

Marty Olson wrote:
> it's a linux firewall.  we can get out to internet (browsing) and use
> squirrel mail OK, but can't get POP3 mail or streaming video / audio or IM
> and cannot ping www.yahoo.com but can reach it.  are these certain ports
> that are closed?


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From dru at moore.homelinux.net  Wed May 28 10:53:36 2003
From: dru at moore.homelinux.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] network questions...
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEHKCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
References: <20030527233621.A16517@thinkunix.net> <NHBBLIGNALDOPMBCNOMBOEHKCAAA.marty@borderbound.com>
Message-ID: <20030528155336.GA10919@fw1.moore.homelinux.net>

On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 10:22:39AM -0500, Marty Olson wrote:
> We have a hangup with a Mandrake Firewall.  Anyone available for some
> phone-support / trouble shoot, give me a call ASAP.
> 
> Marty Olson
> BorderBound Communications
> 612-331-9980
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
The newer Mandrakes use Shorewall for their firewalling.  There should be a shorewall
directory in /etc.  The files are very well commented.  You will want to pay particular
attention to the 'rules' file.  There are also a couple of good tutorials at
www.shorewall.net.  If, by some chance, you are using Multi-Network Firewall there is a
very nice web interface to open ports.  Come to think of it, Mandrake 8 or later
includes a simple interface to the firewall in the control center but that would only
be available if the desktop were install (unlikely if this is a dedicated firewall
machine).


Hope that at least gets you going in the right direction.

Andy Moore
dru AT moore DOT homelinux DOT net

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From JAustad at temgweb.com  Wed May 28 10:53:30 2003
From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE04D@mail.temgweb.com>

Battery life on Panasonics is supposed to be quite good.  The one I just
purchased supposedly has 7 hours of talk time.  We'll see though.  I'm kind
of concerned about what the sound will be like.  The phones are designed to
be a bit smaller, a little bigger than a Nokia 6160, so they may have
skimped on components.  

Why doesn't some company just come out with a high quality phone regardless
of the cost and charge what they need to make money on it?  Most cordless
phones are crap and I would definitely pay extra to have a high quality
phone.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:pcdoc@snapreporter.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones
> 
> 
> I have an expandable Panasonic 2.4 ghz 2 line system.  I only 
> have 2 extra
> handsets with it, but it has worked great so far.  I keep one 
> handset at
> my business partner's house (about 3 houses away) and it 
> works great from
> there as well.  I don't know about interference with wireless 
> networks as
> I do not have that up and going yet.  I don't keep track of 
> the battery
> life much because I keep the handsets in their bases most of 
> the time, but
> I do know they last at least 3 days on standby.  I bought all 
> my stuff off
> eBay factory referb. for about 1/2 list price.
> 
> On Mon, 26 May 2003, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > I need another phone for my house.  I was thinking of 
> getting an expandable
> > system, but after buying a Siemens system and returning it 
> because of poor
> > sound quality, I figured I should probably ask around to 
> forego having to
> > return a bunch of phone because they suck.
> >
> > I was thinking of either the Panasonic expandable, which is 
> 2.4ghz, but I
> > want to make sure it's not going to interfere with my 
> wireless network.  I
> > have a Panasonic one now, but it's only 2.4ghz one way and 
> 900 the other.
> > It doesn't interfere too much.  Or I was thinking about the 
> Uniden 5.8ghz
> > system.  I read mixed reviews on both of them though.  My 
> primary concerns
> > are sound quality and battery life.  My roomie has a Uniden 
> phone, just a
> > 900mhz, and the sound quality is crap.  But it's also a cheap phone.
> >
> > I saw some phones by EnGenius which are long range 900mhz 
> DSS phones.  They
> > actually look quite decent, but they are expensive and I 
> would assume that
> > the increased power output of these will drain the battery 
> fairly quickly.
> > I found a long range cordless phone on Ebay by Senao which 
> has a range of up
> > to 230km.  Unfortunately, it's not legal for use here as it 
> uses frequencies
> > somewhere between 230 and 450mhz.  It's a seller in Austrailia.
> >
> > I also have a Spectralink 802.11b cordless phone, but I 
> don't have a POTS
> > gateway to use it with yet.  Has anyone used these?  How are they?
> >
> > So, I basically have 4 choices:
> > 1. Panasonic
> > 2. Uniden 5.8ghz
> > 3. Spectralink system
> > 4. Some unknown as of yet super cool phone system that I 
> haven't heard
> > about.
> >
> > Jay
> >
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed May 28 18:40:44 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI RAID controller recommendations
In-Reply-To: <3ED421A2.4020800@mail.northcentral.edu>
References: <3ED421A2.4020800@mail.northcentral.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0305281839470.22361-100000@conformity.technicality.org>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Steven Robrahn wrote:
> I need to build a big (3,147GB drives) SCSI RAID array for a web/file
> server for the students at our University, and I want to run it on
> Debian.  Any suggestions for controllers that will work with Debian.  A
> couple of our techs have been pounding away at the Intel SRCU31L
> controller that came with the chassis our boss wants to use with limited
> to poor success.  I've never done this with Linux, so any help would be
> appreciated.

wow, that's gonna be a whole pile of disks.  :)

you may want to look at the external (in-chassis) raid controllers.. make 
things a bit simpler for you.

Otherwise, the Mylex controllers are very well supported under Linux. The 
Dell PERC stuff seems to work fairly well, too.

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From mjn at umn.edu  Wed May 28 20:21:26 2003
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dumb question...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305282017040.1478-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I have relied on RPMs for updating my RedHat system up until this point
but need to reinstall Apache and mod_ssl to include a library which broke
during the last installation.

Is there a suggested way to do this that will make these hand compiled
packages fold nicely into the RPM database? Say, like compiling the
package from source and then doing `rpm -i --justdb apache' or something
like that? Or would be using rpm and specifying different options when
installing? If that works, what's the best way to install a package you've
already got on board with different options?

Thanks so much for answering my newbie question...

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From hackel at walkingfish.com  Wed May 28 22:29:21 2003
From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Home and End keys
In-Reply-To: <200305281012.31058@slushman>
References: <200305281012.31058@slushman>
Message-ID: <1054178960.17946.2.camel@hackel.hn.org>

On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 10:12, Jay Kline wrote:
> After using a few redhat boxes for a while, I have become accustom to having 
> the Home and End keys of the keyboard jump the the begining or end of the 
> line in terminals and consoles.  I am using Debian on another system of mine, 
> and the behavior is different.  End does the same, but Home just prints a ~.  
> Where do I go about changing this behavior? 

You have this problem on the console?  An xterm?  Where?  My home and
end keys work just fine everywhere (Debian/unstable).  For a while there
was a bug in bash that caused that problem in konsole, but it went away
long ago.

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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net  Wed May 28 22:47:34 2003
From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dumb question...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305282017040.1478-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0305282017040.1478-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305282239480.12340@ode2joy.redconcepts.net>

On Wed, 28 May 2003, mjn wrote:

> I have relied on RPMs for updating my RedHat system up until this point
> but need to reinstall Apache and mod_ssl to include a library which broke
> during the last installation.
> 
> Is there a suggested way to do this that will make these hand compiled
> packages fold nicely into the RPM database? Say, like compiling the
> package from source and then doing `rpm -i --justdb apache' or something
> like that? Or would be using rpm and specifying different options when
> installing? If that works, what's the best way to install a package you've
> already got on board with different options?

actually ALL rpms are compiled from source, source rpms to be more 
specific.

so if you want to add a --enable-crap to yoou ./configure all you have to 
do is 
rpm -Uvh apache-<blah>.src.rpm
edit the apache.spec file to do your changes
and then rpmbuild it

on the linuxdoc.org there should be a rpm howto, i highly recommend that 
you read it and other rpm manuals out there BEFORE attempting it...

Munir Nassar
RedConcepts.NET

PS. be prepared to create MANY rpms before you get it "right" and do it 
on a testing system.


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May 29 00:53:23 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305290050310.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Late, blah blah blah, details at http://beer.tclug.org

--- snip ---
 A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 30, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Annie's Parlour
313 14th Ave SE
Minneapolis, MN 55414
--- snip ---

 See you there, etc. :)

     Jima


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu May 29 00:53:23 2003
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305290050310.15542-100000@postal.devel.mintygreen.net>

 Late, blah blah blah, details at http://beer.tclug.org

--- snip ---
 A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can 
get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to 
anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up.

When:
Friday, May 30, 2003
6pm - 8pm

Where:
Annie's Parlour
313 14th Ave SE
Minneapolis, MN 55414
--- snip ---

 See you there, etc. :)

     Jima


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From Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com  Thu May 29 09:45:48 2003
From: Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com (Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8 as HTTP and Edge Server
Message-ID: <OF66D6880E.37D158B6-ON86256D35.0050B6CC@luthbro.com>

Is anyone using Red Hat 8 in a large corporation as a production HTTP 
and/or Edge server.  We are looking at using Linux as our HTTP and Edge 
servers, currently using AIX, but are trying to find a more reasonable 
alternative than using Red Hat ES at $799 per server or AS at $1499 per 
server.  Any user experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Jerry Ekegren
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From david at acz.org  Thu May 29 10:10:56 2003
From: david at acz.org (David Phillips)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8 as HTTP and Edge Server
References: <OF66D6880E.37D158B6-ON86256D35.0050B6CC@luthbro.com>
Message-ID: <013901c325f4$814b27a0$0201a8c0@brinstar>

Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com writes:
> Is anyone using Red Hat 8 in a large corporation as a production HTTP
> and/or Edge server.  We are looking at using Linux as our HTTP and
> Edge servers, currently using AIX, but are trying to find a more
> reasonable alternative than using Red Hat ES at $799 per server or AS
> at $1499 per server.  Any user experiences would be greatly
> appreciated.

We use FreeBSD and Zeus for our production servers and they serve more
content than most "large corporations" would.  If you need to serve a lot of
HTTP traffic, FreeBSD and Zeus will be many times more scalable and stable
than Red Hat and Apache.

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu May 29 10:16:27 2003
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8 as HTTP and Edge Server
In-Reply-To: <OF66D6880E.37D158B6-ON86256D35.0050B6CC@luthbro.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305291009380.32332-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 29 May 2003, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote:
> Is anyone using Red Hat 8 in a large corporation as a production HTTP
> and/or Edge server.  We are looking at using Linux as our HTTP and
> Edge servers, currently using AIX, but are trying to find a more
> reasonable alternative than using Red Hat ES at $799 per server or AS
> at $1499 per server.  Any user experiences would be greatly
> appreciated.

Jerry,

The consumer (7.x/8.x/9) releases of RedHat will work just fine for a
server (they have everything you need, just like AS/ES); the only problem
is getting long-term security updates for them.  RedHat recently changed
their policies to 'encourage' people to go to their enterprise products
for servers - they are discontinuing support for their non-enterprise
distributions one year after the initial release. So, RedHat 7.x-8.0 will
not be supported any longer on Dec 31, 2003, and support for RedHat 9 ends
on April 30, 2004. What this means is that after that point, you'll have
to roll your own security fixes, or find someone else to do it for you. We
roll a customized version of 7.3 out to our customers still, and are just
going to maintain the security updates ourselves.

If you want a distribution that'll always be easily updateable and free,
you could go Debian.. apt rules.  :)

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu May 29 11:50:49 2003
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UpSwing Expo tonight
Message-ID: <20030529165049.GA25764@fandre.com>

Just a reminder that the UpSwing Expo is tonight.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Missed the Strictly Business Expo because you had to work? Well don't
worry. The TCLUG will be at next week's UpSwing Business Expo
(http://www.upswingexpo.com). The Expo is from 5pm - 7:30pm on May
29th at the Minneapolis Marriott Southwest.   

There will be great music, great people, great food and great drinks
along with over 100 companies exhibiting and 500-700 business leaders.

The expo is free and all you need to get in is a business card.  For
more information check out UpSwing Business Expo website:
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From waynej at dccmn.com  Thu May 29 15:49:37 2003
From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Using SNMP on RH8
Message-ID: <50641.63.137.56.228.1054241377.squirrel@dccmn.com>

I was playing with fwbuilder (finally got caught up on my LinuxJournal
reading) and when it does a SNMP discover, it would time out.

So, I install and configure ucd-snmp on my system, and to test it out I
did a:

snmpwalk localhost public

And in the middle of the dump, it timesout.  I also get a bunch of log
messages:
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-33
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-33
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-34
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-34
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-56
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-56
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-57
May 29 12:27:35 goldenrod modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-57

Is there a kernel module that needs to be loaded or something?



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From nota12b at mail.iglide.net  Fri May 30 08:28:32 2003
From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] grub> prompt
Message-ID: <200305300728.AA2288189756@mail.iglide.net>

I threatened to take Winderz off my laptop yesterday - and it 
heard me I guess... I booted into windows for the first time in 
probably a week or more, opened Partition Magic to review the
Command? current scattered state of the drive, did NOTHING ELSE, 
and powered it down. Drove home, popped it open and it's 'stuck' 
at the 
grub>
prompt with a statement that it is in a minimal BASH-like state 
(or something like that). Tried a bootdisk for RH, no luck.
 
Boot sequence is: WinXP, RH8.0 (and about 6 kernals in the 
stack/list), and SuSE8.1. SuSE was loaded last, used little, and 
seems to be the issue as it makes a statement (don't ask, I don't 
remember where) about being reiserfs - which is ONLY the SuSE 
install, all the RH is ext3.

HELP!?!!?!?! I'd really rather not just yet boot Winderz, but that 
is an option if somebody can confirm Win4Lin running (as I 
understand it) as a Win emulator on/for the Mac (buddy has one, so 
I've seen it - once!). I've tried WINE, but only thru SuSE, and 
the positive results are explained as follows....

Thanks for all/any help
Wil

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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri May 30 11:14:02 2003
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling a single module
Message-ID: <3ED7834A.6060509@structural-wood.com>

Hi,

I've got a RedHat 7.1 box that I need to change a single module on (I'm adding
Palm Zire support to visor.o).  After I make the changes, I compile the module
with:

ARCH=`arch`

gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.4/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes \
-Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common \
-pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march="$ARCH" -DMODULE -DMODVERSIONS \
-c -o visor.o visor.c

I then cp the visor.o file to /lib/modules/..., do an

insmod usbserial; insmod visor

and the zire works.

However, if I do a depmod -ae, I get

depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.2-2/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o
depmod: 	__generic_copy_from_user
depmod: 	tq_immediate
depmod: 	kmalloc
depmod: 	usb_serial_deregister
depmod: 	usb_free_urb
depmod: 	tasklet_hi_vec
depmod: 	usb_alloc_urb
depmod: 	bh_task_vec
depmod: 	usb_set_configuration
depmod: 	kfree
depmod: 	tty_flip_buffer_push
depmod: 	usb_serial_register
depmod: 	usb_submit_urb
depmod: 	usb_control_msg
depmod: 	printk
depmod: 	irq_stat
depmod: 	usb_unlink_urb

Anybody have a clue what is happening? (The depmod problem also happens if I
do not have -DMODVERSIONS in the compile invocation).



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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May 30 11:30:21 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA9D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Ok....everything is purdy and runs like a champ....except when it doesn't....i can access the server from outside my lan now thanks to the wondrous skillz of the lads out at real time....but now it seems daily the service<not sure which one> dies....for example this morning before leaving for work....i logged on to the web client at my server made sure everything was happy and by the time I got to work I went to logon to the web client from here and got the logon screen....it accepted my password and the came up with a screen that said 'no server running contact your system administrator' and well when I asked myself I came up with nothing....this happens when I try the web client locally too sometimes....i thought it was postfix dying on me but when I type #postfix reload   it doesn't fix it....does anyone have any idea of where I can look to find out what service is stopping or at the very least how I can keep it from dying.....according to my mail log I keep getting hit by spam relay attempts...could that be more than my little server can handle? Or do you think it is something else

Dan Lansing
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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri May 30 12:58:29 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA9D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA9D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <200305301258.29583@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 30 May 2003 11:30 am, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Ok....everything is purdy and runs like a champ....except when it
> doesn't....i can access the server from outside my lan now thanks to the
> wondrous skillz of the lads out at real time....but now it seems daily the
> service<not sure which one> dies....for example this morning before leaving
> for work....i logged on to the web client at my server made sure everything
> was happy and by the time I got to work I went to logon to the web client
> from here and got the logon screen....it accepted my password and the came
> up with a screen that said 'no server running contact your system
> administrator' and well when I asked myself I came up with nothing....this
> happens when I try the web client locally too sometimes....i thought it was
> postfix dying on me but when I type #postfix reload   it doesn't fix
> it....does anyone have any idea of where I can look to find out what
> service is stopping or at the very least how I can keep it from
> dying.....according to my mail log I keep getting hit by spam relay
> attempts...could that be more than my little server can handle? Or do you
> think it is something else

What does /var/log/syslog or /var/log/message say?

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From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com  Fri May 30 13:05:06 2003
From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3584@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>

Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will find out what service is dying???
thanks

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From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:58 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>

On Friday 30 May 2003 11:30 am, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Ok....everything is purdy and runs like a champ....except when it
> doesn't....i can access the server from outside my lan now thanks to the
> wondrous skillz of the lads out at real time....but now it seems daily the
> service<not sure which one> dies....for example this morning before leaving
> for work....i logged on to the web client at my server made sure everything
> was happy and by the time I got to work I went to logon to the web client
> from here and got the logon screen....it accepted my password and the came
> up with a screen that said 'no server running contact your system
> administrator' and well when I asked myself I came up with nothing....this
> happens when I try the web client locally too sometimes....i thought it was
> postfix dying on me but when I type #postfix reload   it doesn't fix
> it....does anyone have any idea of where I can look to find out what
> service is stopping or at the very least how I can keep it from
> dying.....according to my mail log I keep getting hit by spam relay
> attempts...could that be more than my little server can handle? Or do you
> think it is something else

What does /var/log/syslog or /var/log/message say?

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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Fri May 30 13:07:26 2003
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FA9D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <91E7D82C-92C9-11D7-A9CF-000393B94258@us-admins.com>

On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 11:30 US/Central, Lansing, Dan wrote:

> Ok?.everything is purdy and runs like a champ?.except when 
> itdoesn?t?.i can access the server from outside my lan now thanks to 
> thewondrousskillzof the lads out at real time?.but now it seems daily 
> the service<not sure which one> dies?.for example this morning before 
> leaving for work?.i logged on to the web client at my server made sure 
> everything was happy and by the timeIgot to workIwent to logon to the 
> web client from here and got the logon screen?.it accepted my password 
> and the came up with a screen that said?no server running contact your 
> system administrator?and well whenIasked myselfIcame up with 
> nothing?.this happens whenItry theweb clientlocally too sometimes?.i 
> thought it was postfix dying on me but whenItype #postfix reload?? 
> itdoesn?tfix it?.does anyone have any idea of whereIcan look to find 
> out what service is stopping or at the very least howIcan keep it from 
> dying?..according to my mail logIkeep getting hit by spam relay 
> attempts?could that be more than my little server can handle? Or do 
> you think it is something else
>

Not knowing which imap server they use, or how suse organizes syslog 
i'd look at all the log files in /var/log to determine which one logs 
imap log entries.

Also check the system log for crashes, oopses etc. You may want to 
contact suse for support on this one. (assuming u paid for open 
exchange etc)

I'm interested in this software suite so I may purchasing the demo cd.

  Dan LansingDan Lansing
>
> ITSC
>
>
>
>
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From spencer at autonomous.tv  Fri May 30 13:37:09 2003
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling a single module
In-Reply-To: <3ED7834A.6060509@structural-wood.com>
References: <3ED7834A.6060509@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <20030530183709.GX1663@autonomous.tv>

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 11:14:02AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote:
>
>Anybody have a clue what is happening? (The depmod problem also happens if I
>do not have -DMODVERSIONS in the compile invocation).

My first thought is: 
Do you have all the usb stuff compiled into the kernel?  Do usb devices
currently work on your box?
My next thought is:
Did you make dep before you built the new modules?

Not much in the way of help, but a few thoughts on the matter...

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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri May 30 15:06:20 2003
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] grub> prompt
In-Reply-To: <200305300728.AA2288189756@mail.iglide.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305301504330.25203-100000@astound-64-83-205-223.mn.astound.net>

On Fri, 30 May 2003, Wil wrote:

> prompt with a statement that it is in a minimal BASH-like state 
> (or something like that). Tried a bootdisk for RH, no luck.

Have you tried issuing grub commands to boot the drive manually?  I can't
remember them off hand, but the ? command should ell you everything you
need to know.

Sounds like you may have damaged your boot sector, but I can't be
sure.  What happens when you try to boot with a RH boot disk?  You should
be able to boot up Rh8 and rebuild grub.

-Brian



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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri May 30 15:04:27 2003
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling a single module
References: <3ED7834A.6060509@structural-wood.com> <20030530183709.GX1663@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <3ED7B94B.70701@structural-wood.com>

Hi, I tried the make dep, (as well as make mrproper; make clean; make dep),
and still have the same problem.

The palm zire *works* when I insmod usbserial.o and visor.o, the problem
is that depmod -a fails on visor.o when I run it, and I want to know why.

Thanks for the help,
Kent


Spencer Butler wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 11:14:02AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote:
> 
>>Anybody have a clue what is happening? (The depmod problem also happens if I
>>do not have -DMODVERSIONS in the compile invocation).
> 
> 
> My first thought is: 
> Do you have all the usb stuff compiled into the kernel?  Do usb devices
> currently work on your box?
> My next thought is:
> Did you make dep before you built the new modules?
> 
> Not much in the way of help, but a few thoughts on the matter...
> 



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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri May 30 23:50:56 2003
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Web tip: skinny body
Message-ID: <1054356657.25768.41.camel@3po.thodt.net>

Hi,

This is largely unrelated to Linux, but people might be interested.

There are many times when I like to read "printable" versions of
articles on the web, as regular articles are often pretty cluttered with
ads and just crummy formatting.

However, printable articles often go the other way, lacking enough
formatting to be very readable.  My main complaint is that printable
articles get to be way too wide to read very easily.  From what I
understand, humans generally find it easiest to read text that is
between 60 and 80 characters wide (TeX and LaTeX default to 60
characters, IIRC).

I came across a fairly simple way to make this easier with stylesheets. 
Many browsers let you specify your own sets of stylesheets (presumably
for a purpose like this).

In Galeon 1.2.10 (which I'm running at the moment, naturally), you
specify this in the Rendering->Fonts/Colors tab of the preferences
window.  To enable it on the page you are viewing, go to
View->Stylesheet->[your file].  You may also need to go through and turn
off any existing stylesheet by doing View->Stylesheet->None (usually set
to Default on pages that have stylesheets)

Anyway, after hunting around the web for a while, I came up with a tiny
stylesheet.  The code below specifies that the body of the document
should be 80 characters wide (actually, 80 times the height of an 'x'
character).  The margin definition tells the browser to automatically 
horizontally center the body in the middle of the screen.

Put the code below into a text file.  I've actually expanded the code
for readability, you can really just make it a one-liner file if you
like.

    BODY {
           width: 80ex;
           margin: 0px auto;
         }

Anyway, hope that wasn't too confusing.  Have a nice day.

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From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Sat May 31 21:22:27 2003
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: SCSI RAID controller recommendations
Message-ID: <OMELINNJFPPBKNLAELKJKELLCAAA.cschumann@twp-llc.com>

Steven, I saw you were looking for SCSI RAID recommendations for Debian.

I only have experience with the Adaptec 2100S under Red Hat. It uses the
dpt_i2o.o driver, which has come with Red Hat since 8.0. Adaptec also has
drivers for SuSE on their web site.

I've had great luck using the card with Red Hat 8 and 9 and an OS from a
litte company in Redmond, WA.

Anyway, I have just removed an Adaptec 2100S from a computer I was using for
a pilot project, so now it's sitting here in a box. I'd be willing to sell
it to you or any TCLUGger for $150 and I'll include a 5-connector Ultra160
cable and 8-connector Ultra3 cable.

If interested, just let me know.

Chris


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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat May 31 23:20:56 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3584@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3584@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>
Message-ID: <200305312320.56544@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 30 May 2003 01:05 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will
> find out what service is dying??? thanks

Generally most linux distros log to /var/log, not sure about Suse (Jack you 
out there?) And most well behaved linux application log all sorts of 
wonderful stuff (or not so wonderful stuff) to /var/log.

Poke around a bit.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat May 31 23:26:14 2003
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Archives
In-Reply-To: <OFF261B359.ED5EC8D6-ON86256D36.006A6751@luthbro.com>
References: <OFF261B359.ED5EC8D6-ON86256D36.006A6751@luthbro.com>
Message-ID: <200305312326.14388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>

On Friday 30 May 2003 02:23 pm, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote:
> The archive address doesn't work.  Could you address this for me.
>

Use google, just add mn-linux.org to the search string.

Like 'mn-linux.org why are the archives'.


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From jack at jacku.com  Sat May 31 23:55:08 2003
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues <SuSE exchange>
In-Reply-To: <200305312320.56544@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3584@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200305312320.56544@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <200305312355.08240.jack@jacku.com>

On Saturday 31 May 2003 11:20 pm, Bob Tanner wrote:
> On Friday 30 May 2003 01:05 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote:
> > Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will
> > find out what service is dying??? thanks
>
> Generally most linux distros log to /var/log, not sure about Suse (Jack you
> out there?) And most well behaved linux application log all sorts of
> wonderful stuff (or not so wonderful stuff) to /var/log.
>
> Poke around a bit.

I'm here...

Yup, SuSE dumps all sorts of stuff into various files in var log. For your MTA 
check for /var/log/mail or possibly /var/log/postfix for postfix (this might 
not be the case). Anyway lots of stuff goes to /var/log/messages so when in 
doubt look there first. :-)


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