RTFM, where have I heard that before. To stir the pot or not to stir the pot, that is the question? The article says a lot. It is the most upsetting thing on earth to not understand WTF the words on a man page are trying to tell me. Then to find a HOWTO and have it read verbatim what the man page is. I could write instructions in non-technical language if the man pages just made sense enough to translate. The man pages need to be edited by non-technical people with technical people answering questions about what the intent of the page is and what it applies to. When I try to learn something and follow the standard method, read the man page, read the howto, pull out some hair, find someone who knows. The intent of M$ Windows is to make using a computer easier. If Linux is ever to catch with the general public it will need to follow Apple's OS X. I stopped at the Apple store in South Dale today. Dang them are some beautiful computers and fast as HE-doubletoothpicks! All running OS X and BIG displays! It's worth a trip just to look at the hardware, leave your wallet, check book, and credit cares at home :-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list