On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:34, Sam MacDonald wrote: > How dare you! How dare you even say the first part, of the first > sentence, of the third paragraph. Saying "I don't mean this personally > Sam". Get a clue son, you made it personal by writing that line, you > addressed me directly. You are right Sam. I did make this personal and I shouldn't have. I have obviously offended you and that was not my intent. If I try to put myself in your place then go back and read what an I wrote I see what an ass I was for directing my comments at you personally. I did not intend to degrade you or the the job you did at IBM. My intent was to voice my opinion on this off topic subject. You often voice your opinion on this subject on this list. Yours is an opinion which differs greatly from mine. > You are right "Tom", I will never convince anyone, I don't want to. I > only want to ask questions that may stimulate thought along another > line, thats all. You on the other hand have to be correct about > everything. By the way Tom, I would never make a comment about you or > anyone else, like the last line of the first paragraph. Your arrogance > is beyond comprehension, by attempting to degrade others you attempt to > make yourself look superior. I'm not superior to you or anyone else. I'm not correct about everything, although sometimes I like to think I am. My opinions are only opinions and you are free to discount them. I read this list because I would like to know more about linux than I do. Not to voice my politics as I find myself doing. > Tom please find a job, doing what you do now, at $2.50 an hour. Now > tell me, can you pay the bills you have at that rate of pay? Is that a > living wage in this country? How many people could be paid a living > wage with what the CEO of IBM makes? How much have these CEO's invested > (for personal gain) in these companies in other countrys? The world does not owe me a living wage. I am fortunate enough to live in a society where I can be productive enough to earn one. If I had to feed my family on $2.50 an hour I would find a way. Millions of people feed their families on less, they should not have to and fortunately I do not have to. > Let the people in other countrys come up with their own jobs, let them > work as hard as I have for as long as I have and then tell me they > "earned" it. Don't you dare try to tell me "people in other countrys > deserve to have MY job" because they can do it cheaper! I put in long > hours and missed a lot of things I shouldn't have. I put myself in to > my work, I have passion for what I do. How does the largest I/T company > in the world reward me? I made the mistake of going to work for them, I > learned my lesson. And now I want to make sure other people are informed. > Tom, please go to Curly's bar in the West End of Duluth and spew you > rhetoric. I know for sure several guys will be happy educate you on > good and evil, right and wrong. I'm sure they would try. I'm sure a pro choice person would get an ear full at a pro life rally too. I'm sure Sara Brady would be "educated" at an NRA meeting too. But in the end the market decides where the money goes, it always has and always will. I will try to be in the place where the money is going. If I do go to Curly's I'll keep my mouth shut, pay for the goods and services they have provided me along with a generous tip, and be on my way. Again, Sam, I do apologize for being an ass. People with differing opinions can get along. I hope when we meet face to face we can be civil. - Tom > Sam. > > P.S. Tom if you ever get laid off and can't find a job, I would be > happy to lend you the names and phone numbers of the nice people who > have gotten me several interviews. I have not been the first choice, > but I have always been in the running. I mean this sincerely because it > is no fun being behind on the bills. > > >Tom Penney Wrote > > > >Absolutely! As it should be. If a job can get done for less it helps > >everybody. It Helps IBM be competitive. It helps the consumer pay less > >for higher quality. It helps the people overseas raise their wage closer > >to where it should be. It helps people like Sam to move on to a > >occupation worthy of his wage. > > > >Argue for unions, argue that IBM is immoral and evil for sending jobs > >overseas all you like, I don't buy it. > > > >I really don't mean this personally Sam, we are sorry IBM outsourced > >your job to another county, but the sooner you can accept that people > >and companies will ALWAYS take the cheapest solution the happier you > >will be. You'll never convince me or the corporate world to spend more > >to complete a job solely because it's the right thing to do. All they > >are doing is paying people the wage they are asking for. There is > >nothing wrong with that. What is right for you is not necessarily right > >for everyone. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney <blots at visi.com> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list