On Friday, Sep 5, 2003, at 21:20 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote:

> I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing.

OFF-TOPIC OFF-TOPIC

Take this B.S. to some politics oriented mlist.

>
> Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get 
> payed 1/5th what we get payed?
>    Just because they are in India or Brazil?
> If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and 
> Brazil?
> You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/
>
> This is about "right and wrong".
>
> This is about people who own large percentages of American 
> corporations and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in 
> other countries!
>
> Sam.
>
> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:11:18PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote:
>>
>>> OK, now lets not get upset with labor unions after all unions 
>>> represent workers. Believe me when I say that programmers and 
>>> everyone else who works in I/T are labor.  We are the work force, by 
>>> definition the work force is labor.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There are two kinds of unions:
>>
>> Unions who work for the employees to help insure their safety and fair
>> treatment (labor such as coal mining, steel workers, railroad, etc)
>>
>> Unions who work to ensure that no matter how lazy, stupid, or 
>> incompetent
>> their members are, they'll always have a job because if they don't, 
>> they'll
>> all go on strike. (Rainbow foods and highway workers fall under this 
>> category)
>> In an IT industry setting, I'm willing to bet it would be more of a 
>> category 2 union, seeing how there are plenty of incompetents out 
>> there
>> who do nothing but leech the resources out of a company, and want 
>> protection
>> from being fired for incompetency.
>>
>> Yes, moving phone support to $other_country is bad for the economy, 
>> but
>> what do you expect when the general public doesn't care enough to show
>> their feelings about it (by writing letters, or boycotting companies)
>>
>> FYI, AT&T/Comcast cable internet support is in Quebec, because they 
>> receive kickbacks for providing technical jobs there.
>>
>> With that said, this is totally off topic for the list, and is sure to
>> spark a long fruitless thread.
>>
>>
>
>
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