On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:43:07AM -0500, Jima wrote: > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html In retrospect, I don't see anything overtly trollish about these other than the repeating theme: software != djb :. software == sucks. We've come to expect it from David, because he has purchased djb stock wholesale. As such, I believe most of us have a very short fuse when it comes to his posts. Again, look at these posts as unbiased as possible. They lack some substance and references, they add a few potshots now and then, and they represent skepticism of Bazaar style software engineering. I can see why his posts rub people the wrong way. One "bad" comment labels him a troll. You can expect to find at least one David-style poster in any email list. Someone you don't agree with, and someone who has a tendency to stir up trouble from time to time. However, if you look at the resulting conversations, subsequent posts usually have some substance to them from all participating. > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: In retrospect, I had a knee-jerk reaction to David posting anything as a djb acolyte. People have opinions, and I won't fault him for following the lead of a somewhat elitist professor. He's not likely to have a vulnerable system because of it. Some people demand the "best" and others demand "good enough." Many of the software projects out there are "good enough" for most of us, and we're willing to make them better in our free time. David, I hope you're getting a kick out of this thread. > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.html Like we haven't seen "@SOFTWARE@ sucks" from you before Jima. I know I've said it. Granted, I usually place a smiley face after or before it, or some bastardization of an XML markup, but is that a requirement? Again, don't attribute to malice what one can attribute to ignorance or some vague form of humor. > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. I think a lot of us are over-reacting. We've all heard the phrase, "Don't feed the troll." It means, don't complain about a troll by posting another. An accusation of a troll is just as trollish as the original. This thread is an example of an OFFTOPIC discussion that doesn't really need to happen, all because someone reacted badly to a post. Edit your kill files and troll files people. I had someone recently reply to a post saying that all <so and so's> emails should be marked troll. In true procmail fashion, here you go: # positive score for known trolls. no score for MATCH recipe. # Mark threads with "^References:.*ORIGINMESSAGEID.HOST.TLD" :0 fhHw * -99^0 * 100^1 troll at unterbridge.net * 0^0 ^Subject: \/.* | formail -I 'Subject: [TROLL] $MATCH" -- Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/dbde9914/attachment.pgp