Everyone has lost the point by now. It's not about tip vs no tip. I don't care about minimum wage...etc. This is about (or should be) about Laurie, Munir, Jima, other "beer admins," other people who stay until the check is paid, and FUN! In my book, whoever didn't pay their full share (in this case, including tip) is stealing money from the pockets of really good people. It's not for you to decide not to tip if your food and drink is on the groups tab and the group has decided to leave a tip. If you're on the group tab, you're responsible for your food, drink, and 15% tip. If you don't agree with the "tipping policy" of the "group a large," get your own tab or don't come. This is supposed to be fun, and this thread is without question ruining the fun. If to protect our pocket books, the group has to issue an official set of rules, we might as well scrap the beer meetings all together and make the events invite only. I don't think anybody wants that as it would in the end, leave out people we'd like to meet. That said, it's over and done with now. I suggest buying Laurie, Munir, Jima, and possibly others a beer at the next meeting. Remember, it's about fun, beer, and getting to know one another. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list