From smac at visi.com Thu Apr 1 06:44:41 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406C0EB9.9060506@visi.com> I have 6 monitors 17" displays that work very well. I'm in a cash pinch so getting $10 each would be good. I also have some Pentium laptops that _would need hard disks._ Doesn't look like anyone on the LUG wants any of them. $10 for each would be fine. Let me know if you are interested in any? Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Hi All- > > I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for > Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium > class machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. > > Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on > this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - > most monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - > which is wat I need. > > I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can > also issue a tax deduct receipt. > > If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going > to Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over > there - just computers that would have probably ended up in a > landfill.... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Apr 1 11:03:19 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: <406C0EB9.9060506@visi.com> References: <406C0EB9.9060506@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040401110319.1874f358.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:44:41 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I have 6 monitors 17" displays that work very well. > I'm in a cash pinch so getting $10 each would be good. > > > I also have some Pentium laptops that _would need hard disks._ > Doesn't look like anyone on the LUG wants any of them. > $10 for each would be fine. > > Let me know if you are interested in any? What are the laptops? Also, aside from needing a HDD, what else do they need? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 1 11:03:14 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Manpage "books" v.s. Info In-Reply-To: <200403311824.i2VIOtE30797@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20040331164810.GB3679@wookimus.net> <200403311824.i2VIOtE30797@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040401170314.GB7690@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Apr 1 14:50:18 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404012050.i31KoIq05101@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Any PDAs sitting in drawers out there? Looking for a (in good shape) Zaurus 5500 or 5600 or, in a pinch, an iPAQ 3XXX. Can offer $, parts, services, 2nd born child, etc. Erm... maybe not the kid. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Apr 1 15:00:29 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! In-Reply-To: <20040401013402.GC14461@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:28:34PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Otherwise just look for the group of people that just does not fit in. > > Or listen for the guy that is "YELLING ABOUT LINUX IN A LOUD VOICE"... Oh yeah, that guy. What a weirdo. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Apr 1 15:26:45 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404012126.i31LQjp05505@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Need PCI Video Card 8-16 MB I am looking to buy a cheap PCI Video Card. I am hoping for 8-16 MB of memory. Support for the card in Xfree86 4.3 without proprietary drivers a must. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Apr 1 15:36:55 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: You know, computer geeks (www.compgeeks.com) had new in the box Zaurus 5500s for 199.99. Bruce >>> webmaster@mn-linux.org 04/01/04 02:50PM >>> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Any PDAs sitting in drawers out there? Looking for a (in good shape) Zaurus 5500 or 5600 or, in a pinch, an iPAQ 3XXX. Can offer $, parts, services, 2nd born child, etc. Erm... maybe not the kid. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 1 15:55:53 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040401215553.GG24439@fandre.com> I have a 5500 that I will sell for $250. ;-) On Thu, 01 Apr 2004, Bruce Broecker wrote: > You know, computer geeks (www.compgeeks.com) had new in the box Zaurus 5500s for 199.99. > > Bruce > > >>> webmaster@mn-linux.org 04/01/04 02:50PM >>> > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: Any PDAs sitting in drawers out there? > > Looking for a (in good shape) Zaurus 5500 or 5600 or, in a pinch, an iPAQ 3XXX. Can offer $, parts, services, 2nd born child, etc. > > Erm... maybe not the kid. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Apr 1 16:42:14 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables Message-ID: <3957.66.162.60.126.1080859334.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Anyone here really know iptables inside and out? I'm looking to setup a firewall with access control list types of features. I don't want to do NAT, just forward and filter between multiple interfaces. I can trade you lunch or something for your time. Thanks Jim Streit _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Apr 1 17:30:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Message-ID: <1080862228.3529.30.camel@angband> I must be doing something wrong or I don't understand how the sound applications work. Hardware: Fedora Core 1 Compaq Armada E500 PIII 600MHz 256mb RAM ES1978 Maestro 2E Configuration: I run "Sound Card Detection" It shows the "ES1978 Maestro 2E" I click "Play test sound" It plays a nice guitar riff When I open Audio Player "XMMS" I can't get an MP3 to play. When I tried to open a location within media player it gave me a message. Something about Licensing and that Red Hat had removed MP3 support. I can't reproduce the message now. Using KMidi I can play MIDI files. I can also play CD music. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 1 17:40:04 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound In-Reply-To: <1080862228.3529.30.camel@angband> References: <1080862228.3529.30.camel@angband> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > When I open Audio Player "XMMS" I can't get an MP3 to play. When I tried > to open a location within media player it gave me a message. Something > about Licensing and that Red Hat had removed MP3 support. I can't > reproduce the message now. They've removed MP3 support because of possible licensing issues. You can get XMMS with MP3 support from: http://www.xmms.org/ -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 1 22:41:14 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables In-Reply-To: <3957.66.162.60.126.1080859334.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <3957.66.162.60.126.1080859334.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <406CEEEA.6060702@cascopoint.com> Jim Streit wrote: >Anyone here really know iptables inside and out? I'm looking to setup a >firewall with access control list types of features. I don't want to do >NAT, just forward and filter between multiple interfaces. > > > fire them at me :) I can splee the rules in my sleep ( and that happend :) ), really I an help you >I can trade you lunch or something for your time. > >Thanks >Jim Streit > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clarson at iaxs.net Fri Apr 2 06:59:31 2004 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers References: <406C0EB9.9060506@visi.com> Message-ID: <010601c418b2$57d1f780$0100a8c0@yourrvlnhr6v8d> how many do you have left? the laptops is what i mean! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel MacDonald" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers > I have 6 monitors 17" displays that work very well. > I'm in a cash pinch so getting $10 each would be good. > > > I also have some Pentium laptops that _would need hard disks._ > Doesn't look like anyone on the LUG wants any of them. > $10 for each would be fine. > > Let me know if you are interested in any? > > Sam. > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > Hi All- > > > > I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for > > Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium > > class machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. > > > > Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on > > this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - > > most monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - > > which is wat I need. > > > > I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can > > also issue a tax deduct receipt. > > > > If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going > > to Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over > > there - just computers that would have probably ended up in a > > landfill.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From g91 at baz-tech.com Thu Apr 1 21:00:24 2004 From: g91 at baz-tech.com (Bryan Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables References: <3957.66.162.60.126.1080859334.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <000701c4185e$a513fec0$7a46f6cc@baztech.com> I am insterested in this subject too. I am trying to do NAT with internet servers (DNS, Mail, Httpd & Tomcat) behind a firewall. I haven't had any success trying this on my own. Bryan Zimmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Streit" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables > Anyone here really know iptables inside and out? I'm looking to setup a > firewall with access control list types of features. I don't want to do > NAT, just forward and filter between multiple interfaces. > > I can trade you lunch or something for your time. > > Thanks > Jim Streit > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 2 08:53:10 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless must haves... Message-ID: Hi- Just got a Dell true mobile 1150 wireless card and it will live in my daul boot gentoo/win2k laptop. I'm in the beginning stages of setting up Gentoo, and was wondering what y'all consider as "must haves" in terms of wireless programs in linux. Thanks jF _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Apr 2 09:32:06 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system Message-ID: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 2 09:30:40 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless must haves... References: Message-ID: Johnny Fulcrum writes: > Just got a Dell true mobile 1150 wireless card and it will live in my daul > boot gentoo/win2k laptop. I'm in the beginning stages of setting up > Gentoo, and was wondering what y'all consider as "must haves" in terms of > wireless programs in linux. on gentoo: net-wireless/kismet net-wireless/wireless-tools If you swith between APs a lot: net-wireless/waproamd sys-apps/ifplugd if the card is prism compatable. net-wireless/hostap-driver net-wireless/hostap-utils -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcrissman at lwcc.org Fri Apr 2 03:44:39 2004 From: pcrissman at lwcc.org (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1080899078.16757.3.camel@localhost> You should find it in somewhere like Network Neighborhood (you said Windows 98, right?) --> Properties. Then look for the clients that are listed. Find the Novell Netware Client and get rid of it. If I led you to the wrong spot, keep looking in Network Neighborhood -- it's in there somewhere. I went through the same thing not too long ago, and that's where we found it. On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 15:32, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I am working with a customer on upgrading a few PCs. One of the > systems has Novell on it still (Win98 SE). They are not using Novell, > but it is still there ... they are using Microsoft networking with a > Win2000 Server. > > My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. I > have looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, > startup.ini and I can not find a thing that gives me a clue how Novell > gets started. I have NOT worked with Novell before .. so maybe this > is a simple task .. but ... I did not stumble onto it right away. > > I have looked for "uninstall" icons - none, looked in the add/remove > programs - nothing. I changed the name of the Novell directory and it > crashed while booting because it could not find the files needed ... > so I need a clean way to find whatever starts Novell ... before I go > and delete the files. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions ... I thought someone out there > that does a lot of networking my have some Novell experience. > > Randy > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Apr 2 09:51:09 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50178EA65@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Go to the network neighborhood and just remove the services That should do it Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:32 AM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system I am working with a customer on upgrading a few PCs. One of the systems has Novell on it still (Win98 SE). They are not using Novell, but it is still there ... they are using Microsoft networking with a Win2000 Server. My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. I have looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, startup.ini and I can not find a thing that gives me a clue how Novell gets started. I have NOT worked with Novell before .. so maybe this is a simple task .. but ... I did not stumble onto it right away. I have looked for "uninstall" icons - none, looked in the add/remove programs - nothing. I changed the name of the Novell directory and it crashed while booting because it could not find the files needed ... so I need a clean way to find whatever starts Novell ... before I go and delete the files. Thanks in advance for any suggestions ... I thought someone out there that does a lot of networking my have some Novell experience. Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Apr 2 10:05:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless must haves... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ethereal can be fun, but that's not wireless specific. AirSnort is nice sometimes, too. Wellenreiter is similar to Kismet, but older and not as robust, but worth playing with once or twice. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of > nassarmu@redconcepts.net > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:31 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless must haves... > > Johnny Fulcrum writes: > > > Just got a Dell true mobile 1150 wireless card and it will > live in my > > daul boot gentoo/win2k laptop. I'm in the beginning stages > of setting > > up Gentoo, and was wondering what y'all consider as "must haves" in > > terms of wireless programs in linux. > > on gentoo: > net-wireless/kismet > net-wireless/wireless-tools > > If you swith between APs a lot: > net-wireless/waproamd > sys-apps/ifplugd > > if the card is prism compatable. > net-wireless/hostap-driver > net-wireless/hostap-utils > > > -- > Munir Nassar > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Fri Apr 2 09:58:52 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200404020958.53004.lists@gahlon.com> On Friday 02 April 2004 09:32 am, Randy Clarksean wrote: > My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. > ?I have looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, > startup.ini and I can not find a thing that gives me a clue how > Novell gets started. ?I have NOT worked with Novell before .. so > maybe this is a simple task .. but ... I did not stumble onto it > right away. I used to work with Novell (Shudder!) You'll find this useful... http://www.lboro.ac.uk/computing/hallnet/netware/remove-client.html If the client does not have the UNC32.EXE program you can get it here. http://www.law.duke.edu/computer/howto/remove.html -- Christopher A. Gahlon /(bb|[^b]{2})/, that is the question. GPG Public Key: http://personal1.stthomas.edu/cagahlon/cagahlon.gpg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 2 09:57:21 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20040402155720.GA5419@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 2 09:55:40 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: Right click "Network Neighborhood" and select properties. Remove the Network Client and protocols installed, you should be able to use the unattended installation tools included with the Novell client (if you have the CD, otherwise see download.novell.com for the client and support.novell.com to search the knowledge base for unattended removals. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Apr 2 10:08:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <1080899078.16757.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Novell also has uninstallation tools available on their website. Beware that sometimes using this tool will install MS client for networks in a domain mode, so you may have to reboot into safemode after removing the Novell client to clean that up. Better yet, format and install 2k or better (assuming this client needs to keep windows...) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Apr 2 11:31:56 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives and signed mail In-Reply-To: <20040402165855.GH14461@autonomous.tv> References: <20040402165855.GH14461@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20040402173156.GI14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Apr 2 10:58:55 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives and signed mail Message-ID: <20040402165855.GH14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 2 11:10:07 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <200404020958.53004.lists@gahlon.com> References: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> <200404020958.53004.lists@gahlon.com> Message-ID: <20040402171007.GA22843@fireopal.org> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:58:52AM -0600, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > On Friday 02 April 2004 09:32 am, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. > > ??I have looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, > > startup.ini and I can not find a thing that gives me a clue how > > Novell gets started. ??I have NOT worked with Novell before .. so > > maybe this is a simple task .. but ... I did not stumble onto it > > right away. > > I used to work with Novell (Shudder!) > > You'll find this useful... > http://www.lboro.ac.uk/computing/hallnet/netware/remove-client.html > > If the client does not have the UNC32.EXE program you can get it here. > http://www.law.duke.edu/computer/howto/remove.html I'll confirm this - and add that, for Novell in a Win9x environment, UNC32 is the _only_ way to get rid of Novell! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri Apr 2 10:37:05 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables In-Reply-To: <000701c4185e$a513fec0$7a46f6cc@baztech.com> References: <3957.66.162.60.126.1080859334.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <000701c4185e$a513fec0$7a46f6cc@baztech.com> Message-ID: <406D96B1.2070307@cascopoint.com> Bryan Zimmer wrote: >I am insterested in this subject too. I am trying to do NAT with internet >servers (DNS, Mail, Httpd & Tomcat) behind a firewall. I haven't had any >success trying this on my own. > > > if I understand your setup correctly ( becouse i have one like this myself) its one otside IP and you want to have multi servers behindthe NAT siting on private IPs? the line you are looking for is eth0 - you outside 1.1.1.1 - real ip 10.1.1.1 - http IP 10.1.1.2 - SMTP IP ..... iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth0 -d 1.1.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp -dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.1.1.1 iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth0 -d 1.1.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp -dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.1.1.2 and so on for other ports if your internal servers sit on different ports then standard you can specify port after an IP with a " : " like this: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth0 -d 1.1.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp -dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.1.1.1:8080 >Bryan Zimmer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Streit" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:42 PM >Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables > > > > >>Anyone here really know iptables inside and out? I'm looking to setup a >>firewall with access control list types of features. I don't want to do >>NAT, just forward and filter between multiple interfaces. >> >>I can trade you lunch or something for your time. >> >>Thanks >>Jim Streit >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Apr 2 10:30:21 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless must haves... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040402163021.GG14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Fri Apr 2 10:22:09 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50178EA65@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50178EA65@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200404021022.09575.lists@gahlon.com> On Friday 02 April 2004 09:51 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Go to the network neighborhood and just remove the services > That should do it That won't get rid of the DLL's that winderz will still load. Which makes boot time slower. Partially installed NW Clients can cause problems with other networking protocols like VPN etc... For < 5.x clients use the "Control Panel" --> Add Remove Programs" but for 4.x and below you need the removal tool. http://www.novell.com/documentation/lg/noclienu/index.html?page=/documentation/lg/noclienu/noclienu/data/a3747dy.html My brain hurts being polluted with this knowledge. I never actually thought it would come in handy... -- Christopher A. Gahlon There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 2 12:36:41 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system In-Reply-To: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <001c01c418c7$aa5df7a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1080931001.406db2b9c3c75@my.visi.com> Put a Fedora Core 1 CD in the drive and turn the machine on. :-O Sam. Quoting Randy Clarksean : > > I am working with a customer on upgrading a few PCs. One of the systems has > Novell on it still (Win98 SE). They are not using Novell, but it is still > there ... they are using Microsoft networking with a Win2000 Server. > > My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. I have > looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, startup.ini and I > can not find a thing that gives me a clue how Novell gets started. I have > NOT worked with Novell before .. so maybe this is a simple task .. but ... I > did not stumble onto it right away. > > I have looked for "uninstall" icons - none, looked in the add/remove programs > - nothing. I changed the name of the Novell directory and it crashed while > booting because it could not find the files needed ... so I need a clean way > to find whatever starts Novell ... before I go and delete the files. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions ... I thought someone out there that > does a lot of networking my have some Novell experience. > > Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu Fri Apr 2 09:58:35 2004 From: sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu (Steve Robrahn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system Message-ID: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058A9C@red.ad.northcentral.edu> The 'Novell client for Netware networks' is a network client and is un-installed through the network settings just like the 'Microsoft client for Microsoft networks' rather than through 'Add/Remove Programs'. To uninstall it, get to your 'Network Settings' control panel, then find your Netware client in the list of installed clients, and click 'Remove'. You may want to make sure that the authentication method selected is the one you wanted before you close the network settings too. If the Netware client was the selected method before you removed it, the method that Windows selects next might not be the one you wanted it to be. You might have to boot into safe mode to select the right auth method if you don't check, but if you do, it can save you a little time later. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:32 AM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system I am working with a customer on upgrading a few PCs. One of the systems has Novell on it still (Win98 SE). They are not using Novell, but it is still there ... they are using Microsoft networking with a Win2000 Server. My question ... how do I remove / uninstall Novell from the system. I have looked in Win.ini, System.ini, Config.sys, autoexec.bat, startup.ini and I can not find a thing that gives me a clue how Novell gets started. I have NOT worked with Novell before .. so maybe this is a simple task .. but ... I did not stumble onto it right away. I have looked for "uninstall" icons - none, looked in the add/remove programs - nothing. I changed the name of the Novell directory and it crashed while booting because it could not find the files needed ... so I need a clean way to find whatever starts Novell ... before I go and delete the files. Thanks in advance for any suggestions ... I thought someone out there that does a lot of networking my have some Novell experience. Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Apr 2 13:34:36 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless must haves... In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:53:10AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040402133435.A23696@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Just got a Dell true mobile 1150 wireless card and it will live in my daul > boot gentoo/win2k laptop. I'm in the beginning stages of setting up > Gentoo, and was wondering what y'all consider as "must haves" in terms of > wireless programs in linux. Wavemon is nifty for checking signal strength: http://freshmeat.net/projects/wavemon/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 2 13:39:24 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <002c01c418ea$34409c80$0200a8c0@homer> Just tried finding Glocken Spiel on dexonline.com and i'm not finding anything, Can someone tell me what the address and/crossstreets are? Thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Partyka" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all about. > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > kind of meeting? > > Thanks, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jason reynolds" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > > meetings. How many people attend these? > > > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. > > > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > > > -- > > > Munir Nassar > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ck at thedweeb.com Fri Apr 2 13:27:25 2004 From: ck at thedweeb.com (ckh) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Removing Novell from system References: Message-ID: <001801c418e8$87a14930$640a0a0a@99bwq11> OT: Removing Novell from system On the C: drive, look for Novell folder, and an ADMIN subdirectory. There should be an uninst.exe (sp) that will run the removal of the client. This is version specific and may not apply to your case - but the tool works well when it exists. Good luck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 2 14:15:30 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> <002c01c418ea$34409c80$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: Mike Partyka writes: > Just tried finding Glocken Spiel on dexonline.com and i'm not finding > anything, Can someone tell me what the address and/crossstreets are? beer.tclug.org should have a phone numner, address, map and link to citysearch -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu Fri Apr 2 14:23:24 2004 From: sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu (Steve Robrahn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl Message-ID: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058AD9@red.ad.northcentral.edu> Has anyone reading this ever set up an Apache to reverse proxy Outlook Web Access 2003 to the Internet? Would you be willing to help me keep an IIS server from seeing the Internet? I'm so close, I just need a little help to make all of the pieces fall together. Currently, our school has no IIS servers exposed to the Internet, and my co-workers and I desperately want to keep it that way. But we just implemented an Exchange 2003 server and mgmnt wants to use Outlook Web Access 2003 to let users access Exchange from home. I've searched the depths of Google, and many admins have posted different views on using Apache to reverse-proxy OWA safely to the Internet. This is my goal. It seems like most of the posts have a few of the steps but not all. I think I have Apache configured correctly to proxy it, but it seems like there's something I'm missing, and I don't know what to do next. My experience level: running Debian unstable as primary machine at home for 2.5 years, Red Hat dual-boot since '99 before switching to Debian in Jan 2001. Admin - mostly Debian Stable running 4 BIND9 servers (2 of which are serving our Active Directory dns), 1 Exim mail relay, 3 Smoothwall firewalls, 2 Shorewall firewalls, and 1 Apache web server. Steven Robrahn North Central University Information Technology Department PC Fleet Manager 612.860.5412/sdrobrah@northcentral.edu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 2 14:48:21 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl References: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058AD9@red.ad.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: Steve Robrahn writes: > Has anyone reading this ever set up an Apache to reverse proxy Outlook > Web Access 2003 to the Internet? Would you be willing to help me keep > an IIS server from seeing the Internet? I'm so close, I just need a > little help to make all of the pieces fall together. > > Currently, our school has no IIS servers exposed to the Internet, and my > co-workers and I desperately want to keep it that way. But we just > implemented an Exchange 2003 server and mgmnt wants to use Outlook Web > Access 2003 to let users access Exchange from home. I've searched the > depths of Google, and many admins have posted different views on using > Apache to reverse-proxy OWA safely to the Internet. This is my goal. > It seems like most of the posts have a few of the steps but not all. I > think I have Apache configured correctly to proxy it, but it seems like > there's something I'm missing, and I don't know what to do next. exchange does let you access your email using IMAP, you could just setup apache+squirrelmail/horde and set those to access the exchange server for email. note however that you would not be able to use the special features that outlook so considerately forces on you. (oh woe to you) -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 2 14:52:29 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl In-Reply-To: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058AD9@red.ad.northcentral.edu> References: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058AD9@red.ad.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <20040402205229.GF10086@fandre.com> So what isn't working? Are you using mod_proxy? What do your configs look like? You can easily limit access to just the exchange part of the web server. ProxyPass /exchange https://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange ProxyPassReverse /exchange https://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange On Fri, 02 Apr 2004, Steve Robrahn wrote: > Has anyone reading this ever set up an Apache to reverse proxy Outlook > Web Access 2003 to the Internet? Would you be willing to help me keep > an IIS server from seeing the Internet? I'm so close, I just need a > little help to make all of the pieces fall together. > > Currently, our school has no IIS servers exposed to the Internet, and my > co-workers and I desperately want to keep it that way. But we just > implemented an Exchange 2003 server and mgmnt wants to use Outlook Web > Access 2003 to let users access Exchange from home. I've searched the > depths of Google, and many admins have posted different views on using > Apache to reverse-proxy OWA safely to the Internet. This is my goal. > It seems like most of the posts have a few of the steps but not all. I > think I have Apache configured correctly to proxy it, but it seems like > there's something I'm missing, and I don't know what to do next. > > My experience level: running Debian unstable as primary machine at home > for 2.5 years, Red Hat dual-boot since '99 before switching to Debian in > Jan 2001. Admin - mostly Debian Stable running 4 BIND9 servers (2 of > which are serving our Active Directory dns), 1 Exim mail relay, 3 > Smoothwall firewalls, 2 Shorewall firewalls, and 1 Apache web server. > > Steven Robrahn > North Central University > Information Technology Department > PC Fleet Manager > 612.860.5412/sdrobrah@northcentral.edu > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Apr 2 15:14:28 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring Message-ID: <000c01c418f7$7ba86a00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Folks, I've tried several different methods of getting load monitoring logged to mrtg, and it's just not working for me, so I'm looking for known-good methods. I'm running redhat 9 on an nforce2/athlon system. Recommendations??? Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 2 15:48:01 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl In-Reply-To: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058B01@red.ad.northcentral.edu> References: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058B01@red.ad.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <20040402214801.GH10086@fandre.com> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004, Steve Robrahn wrote: > I am using mod_proxy (for some reason, it is called libproxy in my > modules list). > Yea, libproxy.so, but when you check for it you use: ProxyPass /exchange http://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange ProxyPassReverse /exchange http://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange That's all I'm using. We are running Exchange 5.5. The IIS does not have any other authentication. Are you serving out HTML pages on this system in addition to email? Is that why you have basic authentication turned on? It might be that the apache is getting confused with the 2 different authentications. I'd setup a test box with basic authentication turned off and see if that works. > My configs look exactly like what you suggested. Someone suggested > lines for /exchweb and /public, so I have those too. > > I have a feeling that the problem lies with the Exchange authentication. > We have basic authentication turned on in the IIS part of the Exchange > server, and when one loads the page through the apache proxy, you get > two login prompts. The first refers to the proxy's dns address, but the > second refers to the netbios name of the Exchange server. If you have > netbios access to the server (on-campus) the second prompt works. If > you don't (off-campus) two frames appear in the browser, both claiming > that the 'page cannot be displayed'. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327843&Product=e > xch2003 has directions for fixing this problem, but when we followed > these instructions, (off-campus) the first prompt comes up but when I > login, no frames and page cannot be displayed; and (on-campus) the > prompt includes a domain line, which won't take any domain, not the > exchange server's netbios name, not it's FQDN, not our AD domain. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu Fri Apr 2 15:32:49 2004 From: sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu (Steve Robrahn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl Message-ID: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058B01@red.ad.northcentral.edu> I am using mod_proxy (for some reason, it is called libproxy in my modules list). My configs look exactly like what you suggested. Someone suggested lines for /exchweb and /public, so I have those too. I have a feeling that the problem lies with the Exchange authentication. We have basic authentication turned on in the IIS part of the Exchange server, and when one loads the page through the apache proxy, you get two login prompts. The first refers to the proxy's dns address, but the second refers to the netbios name of the Exchange server. If you have netbios access to the server (on-campus) the second prompt works. If you don't (off-campus) two frames appear in the browser, both claiming that the 'page cannot be displayed'. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327843&Product=e xch2003 has directions for fixing this problem, but when we followed these instructions, (off-campus) the first prompt comes up but when I login, no frames and page cannot be displayed; and (on-campus) the prompt includes a domain line, which won't take any domain, not the exchange server's netbios name, not it's FQDN, not our AD domain. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:52 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl So what isn't working? Are you using mod_proxy? What do your configs look like? You can easily limit access to just the exchange part of the web server. ProxyPass /exchange https://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange ProxyPassReverse /exchange https://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange On Fri, 02 Apr 2004, Steve Robrahn wrote: > Has anyone reading this ever set up an Apache to reverse proxy Outlook > Web Access 2003 to the Internet? Would you be willing to help me keep > an IIS server from seeing the Internet? I'm so close, I just need a > little help to make all of the pieces fall together. > > Currently, our school has no IIS servers exposed to the Internet, and > my co-workers and I desperately want to keep it that way. But we just > implemented an Exchange 2003 server and mgmnt wants to use Outlook Web > Access 2003 to let users access Exchange from home. I've searched the > depths of Google, and many admins have posted different views on using > Apache to reverse-proxy OWA safely to the Internet. This is my goal. > It seems like most of the posts have a few of the steps but not all. > I think I have Apache configured correctly to proxy it, but it seems > like there's something I'm missing, and I don't know what to do next. > > My experience level: running Debian unstable as primary machine at > home for 2.5 years, Red Hat dual-boot since '99 before switching to > Debian in Jan 2001. Admin - mostly Debian Stable running 4 BIND9 > servers (2 of which are serving our Active Directory dns), 1 Exim mail > relay, 3 Smoothwall firewalls, 2 Shorewall firewalls, and 1 Apache web server. > > Steven Robrahn > North Central University > Information Technology Department > PC Fleet Manager > 612.860.5412/sdrobrah@northcentral.edu > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 2 09:46:08 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No April TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20040402154608.GB6694@fandre.com> Since we are having an installfest this month, we won't be having a monthly TCLUG meeting tomorrow. I also had some communication problems which resulted in not being able to book a speaker again. But I do have 2 speakers lined up for the next couple of months. Next month we will have a continuation of our SAN talk, and in June VMware will come in to present. Sorry for the late notice. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 17:53:50 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! In-Reply-To: <002c01c418ea$34409c80$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: It's one word. 605 W 7th St (651) 292-9421 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Partyka > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:39 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > Just tried finding Glocken Spiel on dexonline.com and i'm not finding > anything, Can someone tell me what the address and/crossstreets are? > > Thanks, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Partyka" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all > about. > > > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > > kind of meeting? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jason reynolds" > > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > > > > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > > > meetings. How many people attend these? > > > > > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > > > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in > St.Paul. > > > > > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Munir Nassar > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Apr 2 19:11:50 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl References: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058AD9@red.ad.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <006301c41918$a4786680$0201a8c0@brinstar> nassarmu@redconcepts.net writes: > note however that you would not be able to use the special features > that outlook so considerately forces on you. (oh woe to you) Those features are what make Exchange worth using. If you aren't using them, then it's pointless to be running Exchange. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 2 21:35:55 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! References: Message-ID: <000f01c4192c$c5a86760$0200a8c0@homer> Actually i did also search on the single word with no results. I also got lost for while but did manage to find the place. Not sure if everyone meets in the back or in the front of the bar but i honestly didn't see a group that fit the bill. Ahh well another time. Hope it was fun! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > It's one word. > > 605 W 7th St > > (651) 292-9421 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Partyka > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:39 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > > > Just tried finding Glocken Spiel on dexonline.com and i'm not finding > > anything, Can someone tell me what the address and/crossstreets are? > > > > Thanks, > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Partyka" > > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > > > > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all > > about. > > > > > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > > > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > > > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > > > kind of meeting? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jason reynolds" > > > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > > > > > > > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > > > > meetings. How many people attend these? > > > > > > > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in > > St.Paul. > > > > > > > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > > > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > > > > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > > > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > > > > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Munir Nassar > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Apr 3 11:30:07 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200404012126.i31LQjp05505@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200404012126.i31LQjp05505@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <406EF49F.7040106@visi.com> I have a Radeon 7000 With 32mb of DDR. tell me what you would spend on it. Sam. TCLUG Classifieds wrote: >New TCLUG Classified Ad > >Category: Computer > >Type of Ad: Want to Buy > >Subject: Need PCI Video Card 8-16 MB > >I am looking to buy a cheap PCI Video Card. I am hoping for 8-16 MB of memory. Support for the card in Xfree86 4.3 without proprietary drivers a must. > >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Sat Apr 3 12:05:57 2004 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? Message-ID: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end of the month. So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to obtain/maintain. Suggestions? -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Sat Apr 3 12:05:22 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> Message-ID: <000201c419a6$3c076680$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> I was faced with the same disission and switched the majority of my servers over to Fedora Core 1 and am very pleased. It is basically Red Hat 10. Core 2 release is scheduled for mid May if you can wait that long. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:06 PM To: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end of the month. So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to obtain/maintain. Suggestions? -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Sat Apr 3 12:56:10 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? References: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> Message-ID: <002801c419ad$546eca40$0300a8c0@moose> Steve Siegfried said: > Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. > and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped > support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end > of the month. > > So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, > lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates > available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm > and a leg to obtain/maintain. > > Suggestions? > > -S > There's always Debian if you're okay with a non-commercial linux. Additionally, slackware, gentoo, et al. There is also fedoralegacy.org that is supposed to be working to provide updates for 7.x and 8.x Red Hat. I haven't been keeping track of that very well to see how they are doing, though I should. What I have picked up so far is that they seem to have decent support for 7.x, not so good for 8.0, but they are planning on focusing more on updates for 9. They've got an update for the openssl vuln in their testing RPMs. They seem to anticipate producing updates for 7.x as long as it is feasible. In addition there are a couple of RHEL clones out there, whiteboxlinux.org is one of them, there are others. HTH, Josh Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Sat Apr 3 13:14:20 2004 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? In-Reply-To: <000201c419a6$3c076680$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <200404031914.i33JEVf05380@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> How does it compare to say Red Hat 9.0? Are most of the same features included in Fedora 1? Is it stable? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Doug Coats Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:05 PM To: 'Steve Siegfried'; 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? I was faced with the same disission and switched the majority of my servers over to Fedora Core 1 and am very pleased. It is basically Red Hat 10. Core 2 release is scheduled for mid May if you can wait that long. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:06 PM To: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end of the month. So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to obtain/maintain. Suggestions? -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Sat Apr 3 13:38:50 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? References: <200404031914.i33JEVf05380@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Message-ID: <000601c419b3$4a2537d0$0300a8c0@moose> Jason Lanpher said: > How does it compare to say Red Hat 9.0? Are most of the same features > included in Fedora 1? Is it stable? My understanding is that Fedora has all the features of 9, plus. The point of the Fedora releases is to be on the bleeding edge, all the newest packages with the newest features. It's essentially beta testing stuff for consideration of inclusion in RHEL, which is why Red Hat sponsors it. I've found it to be fairly stable, but they have a very rapid release cycle for it, and old versions will reach EOL very rapidly. So, in a business enironment it may not be ideal, unless you don't mind annual upgrades. Some businesses don't mind this, it seems like a box rarely lasts longer than a year where I work due to rapid growth and change within the company. However, fedoralegacy.org will supposedly be maintaining packages for Fedora for two releases, so they will keep producing updates for Fedora 1 and Fedora 2 after they hit EOL, until Fedora 3 hits EOL, then they will support Fedora 2 and 3. This should help slow down things a little bit for Fedora. You can look at http://fedora.redhat.com for more info on their release cycle, and http://www.fedoralegacy.org for more info on that project. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Sat Apr 3 13:19:42 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404031914.i33JEVf05380@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Message-ID: <000301c419b0$9e656480$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> I went from 7.1 to Fedora 1. I use it for everthing from gateway/firewall, email server, web server, and file server. Everything is there that I need and there were a number of X-windows additions that I found very useful. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Lanpher Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:14 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? How does it compare to say Red Hat 9.0? Are most of the same features included in Fedora 1? Is it stable? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Apr 3 17:38:34 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403311824.i2VIOtE30797@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20040331164810.GB3679@wookimus.net> <200403311824.i2VIOtE30797@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1081035512.31854.32.camel@bigtime> > As Chad was kind enough to point out, the required information is in > the screen man page, but I still think the SYNOPSIS of the screen man > page is too vague and it doesn't lead one to the appropriate section of > the man page via searching for "cmd". This is probably just an oversight, as serial connections is a recently added feature. Someone probably didn't think to revise the synopsis. Perhaps you should file a bug... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Apr 3 17:38:51 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives and signed mail In-Reply-To: <20040402165855.GH14461@autonomous.tv> References: <20040402165855.GH14461@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <1081035531.31854.34.camel@bigtime> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 10:58, Spencer Butler wrote: > I was looking through the archives [1] today and noticed something > /different/. Mailman doesn't seem to be archiving the content of mail > that is signed with a gpg signature [2][3]. I know Mailman used to > handle this mail properly. Is this a new 'feature' of the latest > Mailman upgrade? > > So, anyone that wants to avoid having their tclug mail archived, just > sign it with your gpg key ;-). Its been doing this for a while and no one but you and me seems to have noticed or cared. ;P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Apr 3 18:35:46 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives and signed mail In-Reply-To: <1081035531.31854.34.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Its been doing this for a while and no one but you and me seems to have > noticed or cared. ;P Oh! Then it must not be important, and we can dismiss this matter out-of-hand. Right? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Apr 3 19:21:55 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404040121.i341Ltw02253@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 17 inch Monitors and 2-post racks for sale I have several 17" monitors for sale, $15 each. Many brands such as Dell, Gateway and others. Free PS/2 keyboards with monitor purchase!! I also have three 2-post racks. Two are aluminum, one has a cast-iron base with steel posts. One of the alloy racks has a Cat5 patch panel, the other alloy rack has extension legs on the base for added support. The steel rack is rather unremarkable. $50 each, free PS/2 keyboards! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 4 08:15:16 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> References: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> Message-ID: <200404040815.22195.jpschewe@mtu.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 03 April 2004 12:05, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. > and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped > support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end > of the month. > > So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, > lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates > available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm > and a leg to obtain/maintain. I switched from RedHat to SuSE about 4 years ago and I've been very happy with it. It's got all the packages I want and the security updates are free (no registration required). - -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcAppyWh1lXh/lFURAuPFAJ9dtgquPZOjKVk4aYdnZwQBdv1fGQCfdI5X 5u2IY0E61xOxFU+g93ifZfg= =m5zX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rnelson at ronspace.com Sun Apr 4 08:36:08 2004 From: rnelson at ronspace.com (Ron Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring In-Reply-To: <000c01c418f7$7ba86a00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <000c01c418f7$7ba86a00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <1081085768.40700f48cc66e@ronspace.org> I've been working with Cricket (http://cricket.sourceforge.net/) and have been very impressed. Not only will it do the SNMP monitoring of your network devices, but it comes with the setup for monitoring ucd-snmp/net-snmp. Another advantage of Cricket is that it's data collection can be done in parallel, which can be an ugly problem with MRTG. And it's not hard at all to find configuration files for monitoring Sun's SNMP and BEA WebLogic Servers, as well as many other devices/servers... (Cricket Contributed Software and/or Google). Of course, it looks like SourceForge's DNS servers are unreachable at the moment. So you may have to wait a bit before checking it out... Ron Quoting Matt Murphy : > > Folks, I've tried several different methods of getting load monitoring > logged to mrtg, and it's just not working for me, so I'm looking for > known-good methods. I'm running redhat 9 on an nforce2/athlon system. > Recommendations??? > > Matt -- ronspace.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Apr 4 11:18:31 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replace RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404040815.22195.jpschewe@mtu.net> References: <200404031805.i33I5vc02536@zjod.net> <200404040815.22195.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: <1081095510.9633.39.camel@angband> I've been wandering the Linux distribution maze for over a year. I've finally settled on a distribution, but knowing what took place before is important. Before I started the journey I was very fond of Red Hat 6.x. I had not even upgraded from what came on the CD, just some applications. I had run Linux using RH4.x, 5.x, and 6.x for about 4 years, as a file and print server, some eMail, and web browsing. I had an old laptop (486/25) that I put Debian Base on (last install fest) and really had fun with it. The "want" for more power grew with every moment I used the laptop, that and the dinky screen strained my eyes. I looked at Slackware, Gentoo, and several other less know distributions on several laptops. What I found was the newer the distribution the more horse power I would need to run X applications. X has become bloated with what the "public wants" in a "windowing" environment. I understand that and live with it now. After going through 4 laptops I found one that fit the hardware profile to run a "new or up to date" distribution and X applications. I then went back to my roots and out in the unknown (for me). I down loaded Fedora Core 1 and installed it on my present laptop. I must say the good folks at Fedora.org know what they are doing. I simply love it I don't have to fool with getting all the bells and whistles to run, they just work. Half of getting all the bells and whistles to run is having nearly up-to-date hardware. If this Armada E500 lasts for a couple of years I'll be very happy :-) Being able to install Fedora and have it work without tweaking it is important for me. It the hard disk fails I can reinstall, restore data, and be up and running in 1/2 a day or less. Get the newest hardware you can, play with several distributions until you find one you really like. Then really learn it and figure out the inside toys that Linux has to offer. Sam. On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 08:15, Jon Schewe wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 03 April 2004 12:05, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Okay, I'm at a crossroads. I've been running RedHat since 4. > > and have been generally pleased with it. But RedHat recently dropped > > support for anything pre-9.0 and will be dropping 9.0 support at the end > > of the month. > > > > So I'm looking for a Linux release that's easy to install and configure, > > lets me run services (mail, web-server, ftp, ...), has security updates > > available within a reasonable period of time and doesn't cost an arm > > and a leg to obtain/maintain. > > I switched from RedHat to SuSE about 4 years ago and I've been very happy with > it. It's got all the packages I want and the security updates are free (no > registration required). > > - -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAcAppyWh1lXh/lFURAuPFAJ9dtgquPZOjKVk4aYdnZwQBdv1fGQCfdI5X > 5u2IY0E61xOxFU+g93ifZfg= > =m5zX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sun Apr 4 11:28:07 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring In-Reply-To: <000c01c418f7$7ba86a00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <000c01c418f7$7ba86a00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040404112735.J96416@unix18.sihope.com> Have you checked out the scripts in the contrib/ directory from the distribution? Last I checked there were at least 2 in there for CPU monitoring. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > Folks, I've tried several different methods of getting load monitoring > logged to mrtg, and it's just not working for me, so I'm looking for > known-good methods. I'm running redhat 9 on an nforce2/athlon system. > Recommendations??? > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Apr 4 18:53:32 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives and signed mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081122811.6485.0.camel@bigtime> On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 18:35, Jima wrote: > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Its been doing this for a while and no one but you and me seems to have > > noticed or cared. ;P > > Oh! Then it must not be important, and we can dismiss this matter > out-of-hand. Right? Right! ... Wait, what? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Sun Apr 4 19:57:18 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route Message-ID: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 4 20:06:39 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route In-Reply-To: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> Mike Partyka wrote: > Hello, > > Can someone tell me where the default route information on Redhat > Enterprise Linux is stored? We have about a dozen of these servers at > work and it seems that whenever one is rebooted we cannot get a hold > of it again remotely, when i check netstat -rn it seems as though is > has no default route. when i do "route add default gw 192.168.1.1" and > restart the NIC is works again. /etc/sysconfig/network variable is called GATEWAY set it to you liking > > Thanks, > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at bleedpurple.com Fri Apr 2 14:24:13 2004 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com><004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> <002c01c418ea$34409c80$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <008801c418f0$8c02d4f0$6501a8c0@homer> Also home of the CSPS (and the Minnesota Home Brewers Association): 383 Michigan St. St. Paul Corner of West 7th Street, Western Avenue and Michigan Street Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Partyka" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > Just tried finding Glocken Spiel on dexonline.com and i'm not finding > anything, Can someone tell me what the address and/crossstreets are? > > Thanks, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Partyka" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all > about. > > > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > > kind of meeting? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jason reynolds" > > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > > > > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > > > meetings. How many people attend these? > > > > > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > > > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in > St.Paul. > > > > > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Munir Nassar > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Sun Apr 4 20:30:13 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <005801c41aad$8b2f8c30$0200a8c0@homer> Hmm, If it's a variable then it's loaded in memory and lost on a reboot, right? Doing the process i described to add the route. . .That wouldn't set it permanently would it? It just adds the route into memory. Where would i set this so that it's semi-permanent and will survive a reboot? Thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Yurchenko" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route > Mike Partyka wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can someone tell me where the default route information on Redhat > > Enterprise Linux is stored? We have about a dozen of these servers at > > work and it seems that whenever one is rebooted we cannot get a hold > > of it again remotely, when i check netstat -rn it seems as though is > > has no default route. when i do "route add default gw 192.168.1.1" and > > restart the NIC is works again. > > /etc/sysconfig/network > > variable is called GATEWAY > set it to you liking > > > > > Thanks, > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Sun Apr 4 20:38:51 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <005f01c41aae$c013c7d0$0200a8c0@homer> OK, I think i have derived the answer from the earlier response. Please tell me if i have this wrong. Looking at my RHEL WS 3 box at home, the network file has only two lines which describe the hostname and the whether or not to use networking. This box uses DHCP which is why i have no gateway listed in that file. The server at work was statically addressed during the setup. At which time i would have set for eth0 the gateway among other things. But for some reason the GATEWAY entry was not added to /etc/sysconfig/network and that is why rebooting it results in no default gateway. So if i add GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 then it should be "all good"? Can anyone tell me why during the setup the GATEWAY varable isn't added to /etc/sysconfig/network when you setup your NIC? Thanks again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Yurchenko" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route > Mike Partyka wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can someone tell me where the default route information on Redhat > > Enterprise Linux is stored? We have about a dozen of these servers at > > work and it seems that whenever one is rebooted we cannot get a hold > > of it again remotely, when i check netstat -rn it seems as though is > > has no default route. when i do "route add default gw 192.168.1.1" and > > restart the NIC is works again. > > /etc/sysconfig/network > > variable is called GATEWAY > set it to you liking > > > > > Thanks, > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 4 20:57:40 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route In-Reply-To: <005f01c41aae$c013c7d0$0200a8c0@homer> References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> <005f01c41aae$c013c7d0$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <4070BD14.1020502@cascopoint.com> Mike Partyka wrote: >OK, I think i have derived the answer from the earlier response. Please tell >me if i have this wrong. > >Looking at my RHEL WS 3 box at home, the network file has only two lines >which describe the hostname and the whether or not to use networking. This >box uses DHCP which is why i have no gateway listed in that file. > >The server at work was statically addressed during the setup. At which time >i would have set for eth0 the gateway among other things. But for some >reason the GATEWAY entry was not added to /etc/sysconfig/network and that is >why rebooting it results in no default gateway. So if i add >GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 then it should be "all good"? > > > yes it shoould be all good, this file is dynamically parsed by a script called /etc/init.d/network which brings up the whole network thing. you add this variable to to this file and it should work. You can even test it while remotely logged in like this: /etc/init.d/network restart ; sleep 10; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 which means that if it didnt bring up the default route with the script after 10 secs it`ll add it by hand, even if you get cut off. better of course is to do it on console :) >Can anyone tell me why during the setup the GATEWAY varable isn't added to >/etc/sysconfig/network when you setup your NIC? > > > hm hard to tell, maybe you forgot it, or some installation script screwd it up, really anything is possible. Byt in any case this is a way to fix it :) With all the different distros bringing up network in a different way the easiest way to figure out where everything goes is firing up midnight commander and doing searches on in files that are in /etc like search for you IP address or like it`ll give you a starting point and if you can understand bash scripts you can find out how it is done, there are some very usefull variables that you can set up in config files for your network/NICs that are not in them by default but are actually understood by scripts. good luck, and I shure do advise you doing any fiddling with network parametrs/NICs from the console id this is possible at all _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Sun Apr 4 21:45:28 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> <005f01c41aae$c013c7d0$0200a8c0@homer> <4070BD14.1020502@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <000701c41ab8$0e772350$0200a8c0@homer> Cool, Thanks for the help. I have been in many mailing groups and this one by far is the most helpful. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Yurchenko" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route > Mike Partyka wrote: > > >OK, I think i have derived the answer from the earlier response. Please tell > >me if i have this wrong. > > > >Looking at my RHEL WS 3 box at home, the network file has only two lines > >which describe the hostname and the whether or not to use networking. This > >box uses DHCP which is why i have no gateway listed in that file. > > > >The server at work was statically addressed during the setup. At which time > >i would have set for eth0 the gateway among other things. But for some > >reason the GATEWAY entry was not added to /etc/sysconfig/network and that is > >why rebooting it results in no default gateway. So if i add > >GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 then it should be "all good"? > > > > > > > yes it shoould be all good, this file is dynamically parsed by a script > called /etc/init.d/network which brings up the whole network thing. you > add this variable to to this file and it should work. > You can even test it while remotely logged in like this: > > /etc/init.d/network restart ; sleep 10; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 > > which means that if it didnt bring up the default route with the script > after 10 secs it`ll add it by hand, even if you get cut off. better of > course is to do it on console :) > > >Can anyone tell me why during the setup the GATEWAY varable isn't added to > >/etc/sysconfig/network when you setup your NIC? > > > > > > > hm hard to tell, maybe you forgot it, or some installation script > screwd it up, really anything is possible. Byt in any case this is a way > to fix it :) > With all the different distros bringing up network in a different way > the easiest way to figure out where everything goes is firing up > midnight commander and doing searches on in files that are in /etc like > search for you IP address or like it`ll give you a starting point and if > you can understand bash scripts you can find out how it is done, there > are some very usefull variables that you can set up in config files for > your network/NICs that are not in them by default but are actually > understood by scripts. > > good luck, and I shure do advise you doing any fiddling with network > parametrs/NICs from the console id this is possible at all > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Apr 4 22:03:11 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's Message-ID: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm trying to do a data recovery from a couple of SCSI HDD's for a friend of mine. His old computer fried on him (running XP), and his new computer doesn't have SCSI capabilities. What I'm attempting to do is mount up both drives in my computer so I can yank the data and send it to him via CD. However, the disks are not allowing me to mount them. I'm not sure if these disks were created with NTFS or not, not if they were in a raid configuration. When I try to mount up one of the drives, I get the following message: "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" I've tried this on numbers one thru 15 with no luck. My SCSI card works, as I use it to control my tape drive. Could it be that these are 68-pin and I'm using a 50-68 pin adapter? Or, is it something else? One of the drives has no jumpers connected, and the other has the two on the far right vertically jumped. Any ideas? -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Apr 4 22:13:10 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 675 TFTP attempts Message-ID: <20040404221310.A5153@thinkunix.net> I started seeing lots of these messages lately in my Cisco 675 error log. I have TFTP access disabled but was wondering if anyone else was seeing the same. I believe I have the latest CBOS. A quick google didn't produce anything that jumped out. 26 007:22:16:33 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled 27 007:22:40:05 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled 28 009:10:55:38 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled 29 009:12:06:07 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 4 22:19:36 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's In-Reply-To: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> Shawn wrote: >I'm trying to do a data recovery from a couple of SCSI HDD's for a >friend of mine. His old computer fried on him (running XP), and his >new computer doesn't have SCSI capabilities. > >What I'm attempting to do is mount up both drives in my computer so I >can yank the data and send it to him via CD. > >However, the disks are not allowing me to mount them. I'm not sure if >these disks were created with NTFS or not, not if they were in a raid >configuration. When I try to mount up one of the drives, I get the >following message: > >"/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" > >I've tried this on numbers one thru 15 with no luck. My SCSI card >works, as I use it to control my tape drive. Could it be that these >are 68-pin and I'm using a 50-68 pin adapter? Or, is it something >else? One of the drives has no jumpers connected, and the other has >the two on the far right vertically jumped. > >Any ideas? > > > > first look at you dmesg output, it`ll tell you if it detected them and any paritions that are found, that should give some idea if you are doing the right thing on hardware side. because the message that you are seeng is is linux telling you that it cannot find a devicethat is associated with a device file. also since you are already have a tape drive attached the hdd coud posibly by a /dev/sdb , /sev/sdc ... check the dmesg it the easiest _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 4 22:27:14 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 675 TFTP attempts In-Reply-To: <20040404221310.A5153@thinkunix.net> References: <20040404221310.A5153@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <4070D212.3050604@cascopoint.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: >I started seeing lots of these messages lately in my Cisco 675 error >log. I have TFTP access disabled but was wondering if anyone else was >seeing the same. I believe I have the latest CBOS. A quick google >didn't produce anything that jumped out. > >26 007:22:16:33 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled >27 007:22:40:05 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled >28 009:10:55:38 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled >29 009:12:06:07 TFTP Info Data Rx'd but TFTP not enabled > > > my guess would be that it is recieving tftp packets but does not proccess them. it would be logical to log such events in case you are in fact trying to use TFTP, looking at logs would resolve you problems. probably some random port scans. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Apr 5 05:40:39 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's In-Reply-To: <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> References: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <20040405054039.3898476d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:19:36 -0500 Anton Yurchenko wrote: > first look at you dmesg output, it`ll tell you if it detected them > and any paritions that are found, that should give some idea if you > are doing the right thing on hardware side. because the message that > you are seeng is is linux telling you that it cannot find a > devicethat is associated with a device file. also since you are > already have a tape drive attached the hdd coud posibly by a > /dev/sdb , /sev/sdc ... check the dmesg it the easiest > Thanks, I looked at dmesg previously but didn't see anything. I might be overlooking something there, but in the syslog, I see this: Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: aic7880: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: 8regs : 2902.800 MB/sec Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: 32regs : 1914.800 MB/sec Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: pIII_sse : 3320.000 MB/sec Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: raid5: using function: pIII_sse (3320.000 MB/sec) Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn last message repeated 2 times Unfortunately, due to the pinning difference, I need to disconnect my SCSI tape device. The card and tape are 50-pin, and the HDD's I'm trying to pull the data from are 68-pin. When the tape drive is plugged in instead of the 68-pin HDD's, I get the following output: Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: aic7880: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: (scsi1:A:0): 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offs et 15) Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Vendor: ARCHIVE Model: Python 04106-XXX Rev: 743B Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: 8regs : 2900.400 MB/sec Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: 32regs : 1919.200 MB/sec Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: pIII_sse : 3328.400 MB/sec Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: raid5: using function: pIII_sse (3328.400 MB/sec) Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn last message repeated 2 times Here is all of dmesg's output in case I'm missing something: Linux version 2.4.22 (root@midas) (gcc version 3.2.3) #2 Tue Sep 2 17:35:31 PDT 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003fff0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000003fff0000 - 000000003fff8000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000003fff8000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fff00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) Warning only 896MB will be used. Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. 896MB LOWMEM available. On node 0 totalpages: 229376 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 225280 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=302 hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Initializing CPU#0 Detected 2539.145 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 5072.48 BogoMIPS Memory: 904016k/917504k available (2115k kernel code, 13100k reserved, 692k data, 120k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After generic, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Common caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz stepping 07 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb81, last bus=2 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 00:1f.1 Transparent bridge - Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB PCI Bridge PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/24c0] at 00:1f.0 PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.1 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.2 PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.3 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:01.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:05.0 Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1 Journalled Block Device driver loaded vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd0000000, mapped to 0xf880d000, size 1536k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x8, linelength=1024, pages=3 vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:e680 vesafb: scrolling: redraw Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_I RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 7777K size 1024 blocksize loop: loaded (max 8 devices) Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH4: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:1f.1 PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.1 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.2 ICH4: chipset revision 2 ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio hda: Maxtor 6E040L0, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0408d80, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) hdc: SONY CD-RW CRX300E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: host protected area => 1 hda: 80293248 sectors (41110 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=4998/255/63, UDMA(100) Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5 Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1.2 Sep 2 2003 17:32:27) PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:05.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.3 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:01.0 scsi1 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 aic7880: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs md: linear personality registered as nr 1 md: raid0 personality registered as nr 2 md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3 md: raid5 personality registered as nr 4 raid5: measuring checksumming speed 8regs : 2902.800 MB/sec 32regs : 1914.800 MB/sec pIII_sse : 3320.000 MB/sec pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec raid5: using function: pIII_sse (3320.000 MB/sec) md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. LVM version 1.0.5+(22/07/2002) Initializing Cryptographic API NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP IP: routing cache hash table of 8192 buckets, 64Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 65536) NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 UMSDOS: msdos_read_super failed, mount aborted. FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device ide0(3,2)) ... for (ide0(3,2)) ide0(3,2):Using r5 hash to sort names VFS: Mounted root (reiserfs filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed Adding Swap: 1469936k swap-space (priority -1) reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,0)) ... for (lvm(58,0)) lvm(58,0):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,1)) ... for (lvm(58,1)) lvm(58,1):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,2)) ... for (lvm(58,2)) lvm(58,2):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,3)) ... for (lvm(58,3)) lvm(58,3):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,4)) ... for (lvm(58,4)) lvm(58,4):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,5)) ... for (lvm(58,5)) lvm(58,5):Using r5 hash to sort names reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,6)) ... for (lvm(58,6)) lvm(58,6):Using r5 hash to sort names Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M agpgart: Detected an Intel(R) 845G, but could not find the secondary device. Ass uming a non-integrated video card. agpgart: Detected Intel(R) 845G chipset agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe0000000 hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: SONY Model: CD-RW CRX300E Rev: KYS1 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre12 (Aug 9, 2002) PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:03.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.1 eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0xd000, 00:04:5A:7D:78:8D, IRQ 11. gameport0: Emu10k1 Gameport at 0xdc00 size 8 speed 1011 kHz PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:01.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.3 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:05.0 i810_rng: RNG not detected usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.7 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.7 to 64 ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB2 ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: irq 11, pci mem f90f0c00 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: enabled 64bit PCI DMA PCI: 00:1d.7 PCI cache line size set incorrectly (0 bytes) by BIOS/FW. PCI: 00:1d.7 PCI cache line size corrected to 16. ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Jun-19/2.4 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 6 ports detected uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:1d.0 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.0 to 64 uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe400, IRQ 10 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.1 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:03.0 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.1 to 64 uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 11 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.2 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.1 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.2 to 64 uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xec00, IRQ 11 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected i810_rng: RNG not detected /dev/vmmon: Module vmmon: registered with major=10 minor=165 /dev/vmmon: Module vmmon: initialized parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] parport0: irq 7 detected /dev/vmnet: open called by PID 1598 (vmnet-bridge) /dev/vmnet: hub 0 does not exist, allocating memory. /dev/vmnet: port on hub 0 successfully opened bridge-eth0: up bridge-eth0: attached /dev/vmnet: open called by PID 1622 (vmnet-netifup) /dev/vmnet: hub 1 does not exist, allocating memory. /dev/vmnet: port on hub 1 successfully opened 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-5336 Wed Jan 14 1 8:29:26 PST 2004 -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 5 06:31:16 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's References: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> <20040405054039.3898476d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <40714384.5010805@structural-wood.com> I believe the 2940 has a utility you can activate on bootup using [ctrl]A or [alt]A or something like that. Get into that and tell it to detect SCSI devices. If the card isn't detecting the drives you have bad cabling, bad power, or bad drives... Shawn wrote: > On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:19:36 -0500 > Anton Yurchenko wrote: > > >>first look at you dmesg output, it`ll tell you if it detected them >>and any paritions that are found, that should give some idea if you >>are doing the right thing on hardware side. because the message that >>you are seeng is is linux telling you that it cannot find a >>devicethat is associated with a device file. also since you are >>already have a tape drive attached the hdd coud posibly by a >>/dev/sdb , /sev/sdc ... check the dmesg it the easiest >> > > > Thanks, I looked at dmesg previously but didn't see anything. I might > be overlooking something there, but in the syslog, I see this: > > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: adapter> Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: aic7880: Ultra Single > Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: 8regs : 2902.800 MB/sec > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: 32regs : 1914.800 MB/sec > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: pIII_sse : 3320.000 MB/sec > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec > Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: raid5: using function: pIII_sse > (3320.000 MB/sec) Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn kernel: FAT: bogus logical > sector size 0 Apr 5 05:19:04 fjorn last message repeated 2 times > > > Unfortunately, due to the pinning difference, I need to disconnect my > SCSI tape device. The card and tape are 50-pin, and the HDD's I'm > trying to pull the data from are 68-pin. When the tape drive is > plugged in instead of the 68-pin HDD's, I get the following output: > > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: adapter> Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: aic7880: Ultra Single > Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: (scsi1:A:0): 10.000MB/s transfers > (10.000MHz, offs et 15) > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Vendor: ARCHIVE Model: Python > 04106-XXX Rev: 743B > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: Type: Sequential-Access > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: 8regs : 2900.400 MB/sec > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: 32regs : 1919.200 MB/sec > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: pIII_sse : 3328.400 MB/sec > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec > Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: raid5: using function: pIII_sse > (3328.400 MB/sec) Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn kernel: FAT: bogus logical > sector size 0 Apr 2 05:38:34 fjorn last message repeated 2 times > > > Here is all of dmesg's output in case I'm missing something: > > Linux version 2.4.22 (root@midas) (gcc version 3.2.3) #2 Tue Sep 2 > 17:35:31 PDT 2003 > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003fff0000 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000003fff0000 - 000000003fff8000 (ACPI data) > BIOS-e820: 000000003fff8000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fff00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) > Warning only 896MB will be used. > Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. > 896MB LOWMEM available. > On node 0 totalpages: 229376 > zone(0): 4096 pages. > zone(1): 225280 pages. > zone(2): 0 pages. > Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=302 hdc=ide-scsi > ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi > Initializing CPU#0 > Detected 2539.145 MHz processor. > Console: colour dummy device 80x25 > Calibrating delay loop... 5072.48 BogoMIPS > Memory: 904016k/917504k available (2115k kernel code, 13100k reserved, > 692k data, 120k init, 0k highmem) > Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) > Inode cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) > Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) > Buffer cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > Page-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) > CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K > CPU: L2 cache: 512K > CPU: After generic, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 > CPU: Common caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz stepping 07 > Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. > Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX > mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) > mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb81, last bus=2 > PCI: Using configuration type 1 > PCI: Probing PCI hardware > PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) > PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 00:1f.1 > Transparent bridge - Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB PCI Bridge > PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/24c0] at 00:1f.0 > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.1 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.2 > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.3 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:01.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:05.0 > Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 > Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 > Initializing RT netlink socket > Starting kswapd > VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1 > Journalled Block Device driver loaded > vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd0000000, mapped to 0xf880d000, size 1536k > vesafb: mode is 1024x768x8, linelength=1024, pages=3 > vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:e680 > vesafb: scrolling: redraw > Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 > fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device > pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS > MULTIPORT SHARE_I RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M > FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 > RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 7777K size 1024 blocksize > loop: loaded (max 8 devices) > Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with > idebus=xx ICH4: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:1f.1 > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1f.1 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.2 > ICH4: chipset revision 2 > ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio > hda: Maxtor 6E040L0, ATA DISK drive > blk: queue c0408d80, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > hdc: SONY CD-RW CRX300E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > hda: attached ide-disk driver. > hda: host protected area => 1 > hda: 80293248 sectors (41110 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=4998/255/63, > UDMA(100) Partition check: > hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5 > Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... > Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1.2 Sep 2 2003 17:32:27) > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:05.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.3 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:01.0 > scsi1 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 > > aic7880: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs > > md: linear personality registered as nr 1 > md: raid0 personality registered as nr 2 > md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3 > md: raid5 personality registered as nr 4 > raid5: measuring checksumming speed > 8regs : 2902.800 MB/sec > 32regs : 1914.800 MB/sec > pIII_sse : 3320.000 MB/sec > pII_mmx : 2952.800 MB/sec > p5_mmx : 2843.600 MB/sec > raid5: using function: pIII_sse (3320.000 MB/sec) > md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 > md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. > md: autorun ... > md: ... autorun DONE. > LVM version 1.0.5+(22/07/2002) > Initializing Cryptographic API > NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 > IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP > IP: routing cache hash table of 8192 buckets, 64Kbytes > TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 65536) > NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. > FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 > UMSDOS: msdos_read_super failed, mount aborted. > FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 > FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device ide0(3,2)) ... > for (ide0(3,2)) > ide0(3,2):Using r5 hash to sort names > VFS: Mounted root (reiserfs filesystem) readonly. > Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed > Adding Swap: 1469936k swap-space (priority -1) > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,0)) ... > for (lvm(58,0)) > lvm(58,0):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,1)) ... > for (lvm(58,1)) > lvm(58,1):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,2)) ... > for (lvm(58,2)) > lvm(58,2):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,3)) ... > for (lvm(58,3)) > lvm(58,3):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,4)) ... > for (lvm(58,4)) > lvm(58,4):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,5)) ... > for (lvm(58,5)) > lvm(58,5):Using r5 hash to sort names > reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal > reiserfs: checking transaction log (device lvm(58,6)) ... > for (lvm(58,6)) > lvm(58,6):Using r5 hash to sort names > Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann > agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M > agpgart: Detected an Intel(R) 845G, but could not find the secondary > device. Ass uming a non-integrated video card. > agpgart: Detected Intel(R) 845G chipset > agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe0000000 > hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. > scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices > Vendor: SONY Model: CD-RW CRX300E Rev: KYS1 > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 > Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre12 (Aug 9, 2002) > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:03.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1d.1 > eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0xd000, 00:04:5A:7D:78:8D, IRQ 11. > gameport0: Emu10k1 Gameport at 0xdc00 size 8 speed 1011 kHz > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:01.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.3 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:05.0 > i810_rng: RNG not detected > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.7 > PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.7 to 64 > ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB2 > ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: irq 11, pci mem f90f0c00 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: enabled 64bit PCI DMA > PCI: 00:1d.7 PCI cache line size set incorrectly (0 bytes) by BIOS/FW. > PCI: 00:1d.7 PCI cache line size corrected to 16. > ehci_hcd 00:1d.7: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Jun-19/2.4 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 6 ports detected > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:1d.0 > PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.0 to 64 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe400, IRQ 10 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.1 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 02:03.0 > PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.1 to 64 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 11 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:1d.2 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.1 > PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:1d.2 to 64 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xec00, IRQ 11 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > i810_rng: RNG not detected > /dev/vmmon: Module vmmon: registered with major=10 minor=165 > /dev/vmmon: Module vmmon: initialized > parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] > parport0: irq 7 detected > /dev/vmnet: open called by PID 1598 (vmnet-bridge) > /dev/vmnet: hub 0 does not exist, allocating memory. > /dev/vmnet: port on hub 0 successfully opened > bridge-eth0: up > bridge-eth0: attached > /dev/vmnet: open called by PID 1622 (vmnet-netifup) > /dev/vmnet: hub 1 does not exist, allocating memory. > /dev/vmnet: port on hub 1 successfully opened > 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-5336 > Wed Jan 14 1 8:29:26 PST 2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu Mon Apr 5 09:22:14 2004 From: sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu (Steve Robrahn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl Message-ID: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058B2D@red.ad.northcentral.edu> I put the Proxy statements in a virtual host, which is different from the IfModule statement you suggested. I'm not serving any other pages on this system, but I'm not sure if I will have to in the future. If I make my settings like yours, will I still be able to use Virtual Hosts? I might not need to, but it would be nice to know, just in case. I'm going to change my settings to match yours this morning and get back to you this afternoon. Thank you for your help so far. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:48 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl On Fri, 02 Apr 2004, Steve Robrahn wrote: > I am using mod_proxy (for some reason, it is called libproxy in my > modules list). > Yea, libproxy.so, but when you check for it you use: ProxyPass /exchange http://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange ProxyPassReverse /exchange http://exchange.mydomain.com/exchange That's all I'm using. We are running Exchange 5.5. The IIS does not have any other authentication. Are you serving out HTML pages on this system in addition to email? Is that why you have basic authentication turned on? It might be that the apache is getting confused with the 2 different authentications. I'd setup a test box with basic authentication turned off and see if that works. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Apr 5 09:35:06 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? In-Reply-To: <000301c419b0$9e656480$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <001f01c41b1b$306bbad0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> I'm facing the same dilemna. I have a RH9 box here that's just now getting up to speed and almost ready for prime time production work, but now RedHat is EOLing it! Ack! My bigger question is how difficult it is and what steps are needed to move this machine, configs/files/accounts in tact, to Fedora 1 or RHEL. Anyone? Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon Apr 5 09:47:29 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring In-Reply-To: <20040404112735.J96416@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: This is something I use to do CPU on a linux based device, should work for RedHat: ### ### CPU ### WorkDir: /dir/structure Refresh: 300 Interval: 5 WriteExpires: Yes IconDir: /images/dir/ NoSpaceChar: ~ #SnmpOptions: timeout => 1, retries => 1 WithPeak[^]:dwmy Options[^]: gauge Background[^]: #ffffff YLegend[^]: % Utilization ShortLegend[^]: % Util LegendI[^]: 1 Min LegendO[^]: 5 Min MaxBytes[^]: 100 Title[^]:CPU Load PageTop[^]:

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# Default - CPU String Target[^]: 100 - 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.11.0&1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.11.0:SNMP_STRING@~ # Location: NAME Directory[NAME.cpu]: NAME Target[NAME.cpu]:IP_ADDR RouterUptime[NAME.cpu]: SNMP_STRING@IP_ADDR PageTop[NAME.cpu]: NAME Here's a load version, too: ### ### Load ### WorkDir: /dir/structure Refresh: 300 Interval: 5 WriteExpires: Yes IconDir: /images/dir/ NoSpaceChar: ~ #SnmpOptions: timeout => 1, retries => 1 WithPeak[^]:dwmy Options[^]: gauge Background[^]: #ffffff Factor[^]: 0.01 YTicsFactor[^]: 0.1 YLegend[^]: Load ShortLegend[^]: Load LegendI[^]: 1 Min LegendO[^]: 5 Min MaxBytes[^]: 1000 Title[^]:Load PageTop[^]:

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# Default - CPU String Target[^]: 100 * .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.1&.1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.2:SNMP_STRING@~ # Location: NAME Directory[NAME.load]: NAME Target[NAME.load]:IP_ADDR RouterUptime[NAME.load]: SNMP_STRING@IP_ADDR PageTop[NAME.load]: NAME ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:28 AM To: mmurphy@tc-tech.com; TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring Have you checked out the scripts in the contrib/ directory from the distribution? Last I checked there were at least 2 in there for CPU monitoring. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > Folks, I've tried several different methods of getting load monitoring > logged to mrtg, and it's just not working for me, so I'm looking for > known-good methods. I'm running redhat 9 on an nforce2/athlon system. > Recommendations??? > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Apr 5 10:01:27 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus from [TCLUG-DEVEL]? Message-ID: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> I just got a message from my virus scanner that something sent to TCLUG-DEVEL had a virus. Looked bogus as Spamassassin also tagged it as spam. Anyone else get this: Content preview: Antigen for Exchange found msg.zip->data.rtf .scr infected with VIRUS= Win32.Netsky.P (CA(Vet),Sophos,CA(InoculateIT),Norman) worm. The message is currently Purged. The message, "Re: Failure", was sent from tclug-devel@mn-linux.org and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound located at YRDSB/Aurora/YRDSB5. [...] Content analysis details: (5.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 8.0 VIRUS_WARNING63 From header strongly indicates unhelpful 'virus warning' (63) 1.0 NO_RDNS2 Sending MTA has no reverse DNS 0.6 J_CHICKENPOX_210 BODY: {2}Letter - punctuation - {10}Letter 1.0 IMPRONONCABLE_1 BODY: Some words aren't easy to pronounce (too much wovels) -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Mon Apr 5 10:17:29 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? In-Reply-To: <001f01c41b1b$306bbad0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: I can't speak for RHEL, but I have had very good luck in upgrading from RH9 to Fedora Core 1. IIRC, I've done it with both the CD and with apt, and both worked. I think apt left me with a little bit of dependency hell to work through, though. Theoretically, RH9 should easily "upgrade" to RHEL3, but I haven't felt like spending $75 to find out. Remember Fedora is "unsupported" and has a quick releace cycle, whereas RHEL comes with support from Redhat when you purchase it, and has a much slower release cycle. On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I'm facing the same dilemna. I have a RH9 box here that's just > now getting up to speed and almost ready for prime time production work, > but now RedHat is EOLing it! Ack! My bigger question is how difficult it > is and what steps are needed to move this machine, > configs/files/accounts in tact, to Fedora 1 or RHEL. Anyone? > > Matt ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Apr 5 12:53:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus from [TCLUG-DEVEL]? In-Reply-To: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <1081187605.40719d1537f2a@my.visi.com> Postini has been catching Win32.Netsky.P a lot at Visi. I'm a mindless drone when it comes to viruses so I just delete them. Sam. Quoting Josh Trutwin : > I just got a message from my virus scanner that something sent to TCLUG-DEVEL > had a virus. Looked bogus as Spamassassin also tagged it as spam. > > Anyone else get this: > > Content preview: Antigen for Exchange found msg.zip->data.rtf .scr > infected with VIRUS= Win32.Netsky.P > (CA(Vet),Sophos,CA(InoculateIT),Norman) worm. The message is currently > Purged. The message, "Re: Failure", was sent from > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound > located at YRDSB/Aurora/YRDSB5. [...] > > Content analysis details: (5.7 points, 5.0 required) > > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > 8.0 VIRUS_WARNING63 From header strongly indicates unhelpful 'virus > warning' (63) > 1.0 NO_RDNS2 Sending MTA has no reverse DNS > 0.6 J_CHICKENPOX_210 BODY: {2}Letter - punctuation - {10}Letter > 1.0 IMPRONONCABLE_1 BODY: Some words aren't easy to pronounce (too > much wovels) > -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% > [score: 0.0000] > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Mon Apr 5 13:29:56 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route In-Reply-To: <005f01c41aae$c013c7d0$0200a8c0@homer> References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040405132737.01bfee70@mail.comcast.net> At 08:38 PM 4/4/2004, Mike Partyka wrote: >The server at work was statically addressed during the setup. At which time >i would have set for eth0 the gateway among other things. But for some >reason the GATEWAY entry was not added to /etc/sysconfig/network and that is >why rebooting it results in no default gateway. So if i add >GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 then it should be "all good"? > >Can anyone tell me why during the setup the GATEWAY varable isn't added to >/etc/sysconfig/network when you setup your NIC? Dunno why it wasn't added. When I needed to configure a static address for a NIC card, I put a GATEWAY variable in with the other definitions in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. This worked for me. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Apr 5 21:23:18 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's In-Reply-To: <40714384.5010805@structural-wood.com> References: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> <20040405054039.3898476d.sfertch@real-time.com> <40714384.5010805@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <40721496.4010605@eworld3.net> Kent Schumacher wrote: > I believe the 2940 has a utility you can activate on bootup > using [ctrl]A or [alt]A or something like that. > > Get into that and tell it to detect SCSI devices. If the > card isn't detecting the drives you have bad cabling, bad power, > or bad drives... > Agreed. I don't see any drive detection in your dmesg output which is suspicious. Make sure that you have not done what I did once: forgot to plug in the power to the drive! doh! Let us know the exact mount command that you are using. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Apr 5 21:56:38 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data recovery from SCSI HDD's In-Reply-To: <40721496.4010605@eworld3.net> References: <20040404220311.2d06c68e.sfertch@real-time.com> <4070D048.1030103@cascopoint.com> <20040405054039.3898476d.sfertch@real-time.com> <40714384.5010805@structural-wood.com> <40721496.4010605@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20040405215638.0a6ded49.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:23:18 -0500 Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > I believe the 2940 has a utility you can activate on bootup > > using [ctrl]A or [alt]A or something like that. > > > > Get into that and tell it to detect SCSI devices. If the > > card isn't detecting the drives you have bad cabling, bad power, > > or bad drives... > > > Agreed. I don't see any drive detection in your dmesg output which > is suspicious. Make sure that you have not done what I did once: > forgot to plug in the power to the drive! doh! > > Let us know the exact mount command that you are using. Turned out to be a bad cable ( or unterminated one)... Swapped cables, plugged it in and both drives were detected. I went into the 2940's setup utility to ensure it could see them before booting up fully. Found out that the drives were partitions with NTFS. Go figure, it was a home system with only 4.3GB HDD's. Initially, I tried: #mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /disc1 Got the typical, "wrong superblock or partition type" error. So, then I did a standard mount without any options, and it could read them just as if they were a normal windows drive. I wound up putting a couple of entries into my fstab using the ntfs label and I can read the data fine. Bad part is that it's read-only, but I don't care. It's readable. Thanks for the help! -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 07:38:36 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route References: <004e01c41aa8$f2188e60$0200a8c0@homer> <4070B11F.5050402@cascopoint.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040405132737.01bfee70@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003601c41bd4$149aea10$0200a8c0@homer> Sure that would work too i'm sure. I checked yesterday and the GATEWAY variable was set in the /etc/sysconfig/network file, so maybe i need to try adding it to the ifcfg-eth0 file. It's a production box for us so hard to test too much on it but Anton ahd a good suggestion for how to briefly and safely test itlike this: /etc/init.d/network restart ; sleep 10; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 This is good stuff, i wish i had thought of it, sometimes simple solutions like this just eascape me :( Thanks for the suggestions! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Nelson" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RHEL AS 2.1 default route > At 08:38 PM 4/4/2004, Mike Partyka wrote: > >The server at work was statically addressed during the setup. At which time > >i would have set for eth0 the gateway among other things. But for some > >reason the GATEWAY entry was not added to /etc/sysconfig/network and that is > >why rebooting it results in no default gateway. So if i add > >GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 then it should be "all good"? > > > >Can anyone tell me why during the setup the GATEWAY varable isn't added to > >/etc/sysconfig/network when you setup your NIC? > > Dunno why it wasn't added. When I needed to configure a static address for > a NIC card, > I put a GATEWAY variable in with the other definitions in > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. This worked for me. > > -Jeff > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Tue Apr 6 08:04:39 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woo-hoo! Message-ID: <01d701c41bd7$b911da10$8a252893@bakerr2> Found this link at the SmoothWall news site: http://www.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/2004-April/013049.html It's a great story about a dude who works at an internet cafe who CATCHES a spammer in the act... Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Apr 6 08:19:33 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info Message-ID: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second drive. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crspam at comcast.net Tue Apr 6 08:34:11 2004 From: crspam at comcast.net (chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <4072B1D3.90504@comcast.net> df - report filesystem disk space usage Raymond Norton wrote: >what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space >is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second >drive. > > >Raymond > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Apr 6 08:31:55 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040406083155.A25287@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 08:19:33AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space > is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second > drive. df tells you how much space is used and left in each partition. du recurses through the directory structure and tells you how much space used by each subdirectory in a tree. "du -s *" is a useful variant. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Tue Apr 6 08:30:13 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <41823874.20040406083013@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Tuesday, April 6, 2004 @ 8:28:19 AM Central Standard Time RN> what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space RN> is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second RN> drive. df -h or check "man df" for specific things (like directories, etc.) check out the "du" command. Adios, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Apr 6 08:29:19 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <000001c41bdb$2a0eb050$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and > how much space is left on it. With my searches I only find > hdparm and how to add a second drive. As lame as it is, I find the easiest way is through samba. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 08:39:34 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040406083934.21b85918.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:19:33 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how > much space is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and > how to add a second drive. > fdisk (shows size of disk, and each partition size with the p option) Not sure if pvdisplay would be beneficial on disk usage only. If it's within a volume group, then it's vgdisplay /dev/volumegroupname. Add the -v for more information -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Apr 6 08:30:48 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <2413.66.162.60.126.1081258248.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> df? > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much > space is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add > a second drive. > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Apr 6 08:40:22 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <002701c41bdc$bda0bec0$0201a8c0@office> If I understand correctly ... just use "df -H" will give it in GB and MB ... use the man pages to get whatever options you want. It will tell you what is filled, etc. for all the partitions. Hope that helps. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space > is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second > drive. > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Apr 6 08:47:42 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040406134742.GA3928@refried.org> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 08:19:33AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much space > is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a second > drive. Do you mean the whole drive, a certain partition, or the file system on a partition? For drive sizes I `cat /proc/partitions`. This will tell you how big the drive is (hda) and how large each partition is (hda1, hda2, etc). If you're looking for disk geometry like cylinders, tracks and sectors, I use `fdisk -l /dev/hd?`. For file system usage I use df like everyone else. ;) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Tue Apr 6 08:52:38 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040406135238.GA5451@dandrake.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Apr 6 09:04:12 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <4072B1D3.90504@comcast.net> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> <4072B1D3.90504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200404060904.12445.barnabas@knicknack.net> If you want the total size of the drive, 'cat /proc/ide/hdx/capacity', where x is usually a or b, gives you the number of 512 byte blocks on the drive. I'm sure there's a similar file for SCSI drives, I just don't have any. Eric On Tuesday 06 April 2004 08:34, chuck wrote: > df - report filesystem disk space usage > > Raymond Norton wrote: > >what command do I use to see the size of my a hard drive and how much > > space is left on it. With my searches I only find hdparm and how to add a > > second drive. > > > > > >Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 09:07:49 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <20040406134742.GA3928@refried.org> References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> <20040406134742.GA3928@refried.org> Message-ID: <20040406090749.14f7e9ba.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:47:42 -0500 nate@refried.org wrote: > For drive sizes I `cat /proc/partitions`. This will tell you how > big the drive is (hda) and how large each partition is (hda1, hda2, > etc). > > If you're looking for disk geometry like cylinders, tracks and > sectors, I use `fdisk -l /dev/hd?`. > > For file system usage I use df like everyone else. ;) > Ahh, good information here, I wasn't aware of catting /proc/partitions. Out of curiosity, I'm surprised to see that 'disklabel' isn't around. :( To me, that's one of the better disk info tools developed. I was going to say something about all the "df" responses as well.... ;) -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 09:21:55 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian under Vmware 4.5.1 Message-ID: <001301c41be2$83a7d630$0200a8c0@homer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu Tue Apr 6 09:58:08 2004 From: sdrobrah at topaz1.northcentral.edu (Steve Robrahn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook Web Access 2003, Apache, libproxy, mod_ssl Message-ID: <45887AE2A9435C43B1BA68BE045963B4058BBD@red.ad.northcentral.edu> I tried changing the Proxy config, but it still didn't proxy exactly right. For now, they've decided to just go with just https access to OWA direct to the Internet. It's not a victory, but at least it's not port 80 open to the Internet. If I ever figure this out, I'm writing a HOW-TO. I'm still going to work on it more later, but I have to get some other work done this week. Thank you for your help. -----Original Message----- I put the Proxy statements in a virtual host, which is different from the IfModule statement you suggested. I'm not serving any other pages on this system, but I'm not sure if I will have to in the future. If I make my settings like yours, will I still be able to use Virtual Hosts? I might not need to, but it would be nice to know, just in case. I'm going to change my settings to match yours this morning and get back to you this afternoon. Thank you for your help so far. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Apr 6 11:24:55 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes Message-ID: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> I had a real nice setup going with my thumbdrive. I put it in, hotplug mounts it. Pull it out, it gets unmounted. SInce then I've reinstalled hotplug (on debian) and removed my automountability. Now when I put the drive in, it recognizes it, and then if I manually type mount /dev/sda1 it freezes everything. Does anybody know where to begin debugging this? The one thing i changed (this was stupid) was upgrading to gnoem 2.6 in experimental. That may have triggered a few other things to install (libraries and such). Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Apr 6 11:39:33 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: Job description Message-ID: Here's a job posting for ya. Please read it carefully. (Meaning, send resumes and questions to HR, not me.) Quote: Job Description - Technical Consultant We are currently looking for entry-level technical consultant to join the Information Security Services group in our Minneapolis office. As a technical consultant, you will do the following: * Participate on project teams in the research and selection of software for clients. * Assist in software implementation. 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With my searches I only find hdparm and how to > > add a second drive. > > df tells you how much space is used and left in each partition. > > du recurses through the directory structure and tells you how > much space used by each subdirectory in a tree. "du -s *" is > a useful variant. du -cksh is good too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Tue Apr 6 12:01:12 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? Message-ID: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? Not space wise but access wise? And if there is is there a way to tell how much of the total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? Thanks. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Tue Apr 6 12:10:14 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? In-Reply-To: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> References: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> Message-ID: <4072E476.3050505@cascopoint.com> Erik Hanson wrote: >Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? Not space wise >but access wise? And if there is is there a way to tell how much of the >total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? > > > vmstat can give you some info about the I/O >Thanks. >-Erik > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Apr 6 12:18:19 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? In-Reply-To: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com>; from erik@ehanson.net on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:01:12PM -0500 References: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040406121819.B26298@thinkunix.net> Erik Hanson wrote: > Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? Not space wise > but access wise? And if there is is there a way to tell how much of the > total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? man iostat; part of the sysstat package try this for starters: iostat 1 5 -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Apr 6 12:30:34 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? In-Reply-To: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> References: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040406173034.GA5612@refried.org> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:01:12PM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? Not space wise > but access wise? And if there is is there a way to tell how much of the > total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? I you want lots of details you can look at Performance Co-Pilot[1]. This is the base used for SGI's performance monitoring on their Origin and Altix systems. Unfortunately none of the graphical displays were included in the open source release. If you want pretty graphs you'll have to write an app yourself. Nate [1] http://oss.sgi.com/projects/pcp/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 12:49:30 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:24:55 -0500, Dave Dash wrote: > I had a real nice setup going with my thumbdrive. I put it in, hotplug > mounts it. Pull it out, it gets unmounted. > > SInce then I've reinstalled hotplug (on debian) and removed my > automountability. Now when I put the drive in, it recognizes it, and > then if I manually type mount /dev/sda1 it freezes everything. > If it recognizes it why are you mounting it? > Does anybody know where to begin debugging this? > > The one thing i changed (this was stupid) was upgrading to gnoem 2.6 in > experimental. That may have triggered a few other things to install > (libraries and such). > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Apr 6 13:34:47 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <4072F847.9070709@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:24:55 -0500, Dave Dash > wrote: > >> I had a real nice setup going with my thumbdrive. I put it in, >> hotplug mounts it. Pull it out, it gets unmounted. >> >> SInce then I've reinstalled hotplug (on debian) and removed my >> automountability. Now when I put the drive in, it recognizes it, >> and then if I manually type mount /dev/sda1 it freezes everything. >> > > If it recognizes it why are you mounting it? It recognizes that there is some device attached to my system. In order to read the data from it, it needs to be mounted. That's my understanding. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Apr 6 13:37:20 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040406183720.GR14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 13:57:15 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: <4072F847.9070709@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> <4072F847.9070709@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:34:47 -0500, Dave Dash wrote: > >>> then if I manually type mount /dev/sda1 it freezes everything. >>> >> >> If it recognizes it why are you mounting it? > > It recognizes that there is some device attached to my system. In order > to read the data from it, it needs to be mounted. That's my > understanding. > Maybe sda1 is already mounted from a previous thumb drive mounting? I know if I plug mine in, mount it, then unplug it without umounting it, it'll be at /dev/sdb1, then sdc1 etc etc the next time(s) I plug it in.... > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Apr 6 14:19:41 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> <4072F847.9070709@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <407302CD.3060900@edenpr.k12.mn.us> No, definitely not since I'd do this right after the machine started up (and I checked `mount`) >> It recognizes that there is some device attached to my system. In >> order to read the data from it, it needs to be mounted. That's my >> understanding. >> > > Maybe sda1 is already mounted from a previous thumb drive mounting? > I know if I plug mine in, mount it, then unplug it without umounting > it, it'll be at /dev/sdb1, then sdc1 etc etc the next time(s) I plug > it in.... > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Apr 6 14:23:12 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB thumbdrive crashes In-Reply-To: <20040406183720.GR14461@autonomous.tv> References: <4072D9D7.80308@edenpr.k12.mn.us> <20040406183720.GR14461@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <407303A0.9030601@edenpr.k12.mn.us> >So you put the drive in and a light of some sort glows on the thumdrive? >If you check dmesg does it show the device as being recognized as mass >storage? Do you have another device that has already taken /dev/sda1 , >like a usb cardreader or some such? Are all the modules loaded that >need to be there, or are they compiled into the kernel? Does the >thumbdrive still work in another box? > > No drive is just a simple thing, no glowing ;) /var/log/messages says it's a usb storage drive and mentions something about sda /dev/sda1 is only used by that drive, and has always only been used by that one back when it works. In any case mounting that device shouldn't freeze the system (IMHO). The thumb drive works in other boxes... haven't tried another Linux box though. I'll try that maybe. >>The one thing i changed (this was stupid) was upgrading to gnoem 2.6 in >>experimental. That may have triggered a few other things to install >>(libraries and such). >> >> >My guess is this has nothing to do with it. > > Except that gnome has a crap load of dependencies, and I really didn't pay attention to what it was getting. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Apr 6 13:13:49 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question Message-ID: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> Ok all ye networking gurus, I am looking for some information on setting up a gateway/router for my lab at work. I have the basic setup, two network card, one private for the lab and one public for net access and to allow certain computers to get back in. the privet network is NATed when they go for outside access. The internal ip address is at 192.168.123.0/24. Now my question is that when we bring in equipment in from vendors it is normally set up with a default ip address, like 10.0.0.12 or 192.168.0.101. What I would like to do with virtually ip address, routing, or iptables is set up a why that the 192.168.1230/24 net can access the other networks on the same physical segment via this gateway? Thanks gang, Jason _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Tue Apr 6 14:50:51 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question In-Reply-To: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> References: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> Message-ID: <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> Jason Sievert wrote: > Ok all ye networking gurus, I am looking for some information on > setting up a gateway/router for my lab at work. I have the basic > setup, two network card, one private for the lab and one public for > net access and to allow certain computers to get back in. the privet > network is NATed when they go for outside access. The internal ip > address is at 192.168.123.0/24. Now my question is that when we bring > in equipment in from vendors it is normally set up with a default ip > address, like 10.0.0.12 or 192.168.0.101. What I would like to do with > virtually ip address, routing, or iptables is set up a why that the > 192.168.1230/24 net can access the other networks on the same physical > segment via this gateway? > so the way that I understand is that you have some host in internal net, going via the linux gateway. but when you bring in some new hardware with different IPs you`d like for all you internal hosts to use it as a gateway? I hope I got it correctly. You can of course change the default gateway on all your hosts, or you can add the secondary IP in the subnet of the new hardware, on you router internal interface, and point the default gateway to it instead of outside. the packets will go to the linux router and from it to new hardware and then to outside. I hope i got you network topology correctly > Thanks gang, > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Apr 6 14:04:29 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question In-Reply-To: <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> References: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> Close, here is some ascii art to try and describe it. |----------------| |-------|(corp lan) |Privet net | |gateway|(world) |192.168.123.0/24| <----------> eth0 192.168.123.100|-------|eth1 |----------------| eth0:0 192.168.0.100 172.16.0.3 eth0:1 10.0.0.100 What I am looking for is when I bring a box in at 192.168.0.101 that the router will not send that traffic through to the world but will NAT or route it through the appropriate device. For example if 192.168.123.2 want to go to google the gateway will nat it but if it wants to talk to a raid at 192.168.0.101 it will route or nat that through the gateway. Jason P.S. I im in way over my head so be gentel :) Anton Yurchenko wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > >> Ok all ye networking gurus, I am looking for some information on >> setting up a gateway/router for my lab at work. I have the basic >> setup, two network card, one private for the lab and one public for >> net access and to allow certain computers to get back in. the privet >> network is NATed when they go for outside access. The internal ip >> address is at 192.168.123.0/24. Now my question is that when we bring >> in equipment in from vendors it is normally set up with a default ip >> address, like 10.0.0.12 or 192.168.0.101. What I would like to do with >> virtually ip address, routing, or iptables is set up a why that the >> 192.168.1230/24 net can access the other networks on the same physical >> segment via this gateway? >> > so the way that I understand is that you have some host in internal net, > going via the linux gateway. but when you bring in some new hardware > with different IPs you`d like for all you internal hosts to use it as a > gateway? I hope I got it correctly. > You can of course change the default gateway on all your hosts, or you > can add the secondary IP in the subnet of the new hardware, on you > router internal interface, and point the default gateway to it instead > of outside. the packets will go to the linux router and from it to new > hardware and then to outside. > I hope i got you network topology correctly > >> Thanks gang, >> Jason >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 15:45:57 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions Message-ID: <20040406154557.49ea8deb.sfertch@real-time.com> I would like to open up apache's permissions so that you can view the files within a directory, along with all subdirs also. This is only a temporary thing until my friend can pull the files that he needs off my system, then I'm closing it back up. I'm not familiar with how to do this, and unfortunately, I've been severely lacking in time to do the research to find out how to do it. Could someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with a sectio of the apache.conf file to change please? Scenario: Apache 1.3, running multiple domains. I'd like to open up one directory that is under one web-root filesystem. I think it would get set under the options, but I'm not positive. Any help on this would be appreciated. Even if someone recommends a utility/plug-in/script that I can do in a quick fashion to share these out to him. Maybe tftp would be good here? -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 6 15:41:31 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo+alsa+emu10k1 driver Message-ID: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> I've already asked #gentoo and the gentoo.org forums this question, and no one seems to know...so I thought I'd try here: I'm trying to get my SB Live Value card working. I have followed the gentoo-alsa config doc found here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml When I start up alsa, everything looks fine. The modules load with no errors. However, when I try to play/record/etc, I get this: lpdlnx01 tmp # arecord -d 3 -c2 -r16000 -f S16_LE test.wav Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, Stereo arecord: pcm_read:1164: read error: Input/output error I get the same error when I try to play a wav file. Here's the output of lsmod in case that helps: lpdlnx01 tmp # lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted snd-pcm-oss 39236 0 (unused) snd-mixer-oss 13528 0 [snd-pcm-oss] snd-seq-midi 3776 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-emu10k1-synth 4796 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-emux-synth 28956 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] snd-seq-midi-emul 5008 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] snd-seq-virmidi 3128 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] snd-emu10k1 76484 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] snd-pcm 64324 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1] snd-page-alloc 6612 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm] snd-util-mem 1408 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] snd-rawmidi 14176 0 (autoclean) [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1] snd-hwdep 4640 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] snd-ac97-codec 48220 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1] snd-seq-oss 27360 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 3776 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-oss] snd-seq 40464 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth snd-seq-midi-emul snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-timer 15524 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] snd-seq-device 4176 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-emu10k1-synth snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq] snd 34180 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm snd-util-mem snd-rawmidi snd-hwdep snd-ac97-codec snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device] soundcore 4228 10 [snd] Thanks- Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Apr 6 14:31:14 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo+alsa+emu10k1 driver In-Reply-To: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> References: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <40730582.9090900@jsievert.net> What are you playing the wav's with? Most of the problems that I had involved not having the right output plugin set. Also did you add that user to the audio group? Jason Erik Anderson wrote: > I've already asked #gentoo and the gentoo.org forums this question, and > no one seems to know...so I thought I'd try here: > > I'm trying to get my SB Live Value card working. I have followed the > gentoo-alsa config doc found here: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml > > When I start up alsa, everything looks fine. The modules load with no > errors. However, when I try to play/record/etc, I get this: > > lpdlnx01 tmp # arecord -d 3 -c2 -r16000 -f S16_LE test.wav > Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, > Stereo > arecord: pcm_read:1164: read error: Input/output error > > I get the same error when I try to play a wav file. > > Here's the output of lsmod in case that helps: > > > lpdlnx01 tmp # lsmod > Module Size Used by Not tainted > snd-pcm-oss 39236 0 (unused) > snd-mixer-oss 13528 0 [snd-pcm-oss] > snd-seq-midi 3776 0 (autoclean) (unused) > snd-emu10k1-synth 4796 0 (autoclean) (unused) > snd-emux-synth 28956 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] > snd-seq-midi-emul 5008 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] > snd-seq-virmidi 3128 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] > snd-emu10k1 76484 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] > snd-pcm 64324 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1] > snd-page-alloc 6612 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm] > snd-util-mem 1408 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] > snd-rawmidi 14176 0 (autoclean) [snd-seq-midi > snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1] > snd-hwdep 4640 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] > snd-ac97-codec 48220 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1] > snd-seq-oss 27360 0 (unused) > snd-seq-midi-event 3776 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-virmidi > snd-seq-oss] > snd-seq 40464 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth > snd-seq-midi-emul snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > snd-timer 15524 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] > snd-seq-device 4176 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-emu10k1-synth > snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq] > snd 34180 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss > snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm > snd-util-mem snd-rawmidi snd-hwdep snd-ac97-codec snd-seq-oss > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device] > soundcore 4228 10 [snd] > > > Thanks- > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Tue Apr 6 15:43:21 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question In-Reply-To: <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> References: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> Message-ID: <40731669.6040501@cascopoint.com> Jason Sievert wrote: > Close, here is some ascii art to try and describe it. > > |----------------| |-------|(corp lan) > |Privet net | |gateway|(world) > |192.168.123.0/24| <----------> eth0 192.168.123.100|-------|eth1 > |----------------| eth0:0 192.168.0.100 172.16.0.3 > eth0:1 10.0.0.100 > > What I am looking for is when I bring a box in at 192.168.0.101 that > the router will not send that traffic through to the world but will > NAT or route it through the appropriate device. > For example if 192.168.123.2 want to go to google the gateway will nat > it but if it wants to talk to a raid at 192.168.0.101 it will route or > nat that through the gateway. > Jason ok still lost. case 1: host goes to some inet site the linux gateway nats it and sends it to next gateway in 172.16.0 subnet case 2: host goest to some ip in user defined range of neworks and it instead is routed to a gateway in a 192.168.0 subnet? if that is correct then you just need to create static routes for the those subnets that need special handling and point them to the gateway on the 192.168.0 subnet > P.S. I im in way over my head so be gentel :) > > Anton Yurchenko wrote: > >> Jason Sievert wrote: >> >>> Ok all ye networking gurus, I am looking for some information on >>> setting up a gateway/router for my lab at work. I have the basic >>> setup, two network card, one private for the lab and one public for >>> net access and to allow certain computers to get back in. the >>> privet network is NATed when they go for outside access. The >>> internal ip address is at 192.168.123.0/24. Now my question is that >>> when we bring in equipment in from vendors it is normally set up >>> with a default ip address, like 10.0.0.12 or 192.168.0.101. What I >>> would like to do with virtually ip address, routing, or iptables is >>> set up a why that the 192.168.1230/24 net can access the other >>> networks on the same physical segment via this gateway? >>> >> so the way that I understand is that you have some host in internal >> net, going via the linux gateway. but when you bring in some new >> hardware with different IPs you`d like for all you internal hosts to >> use it as a gateway? I hope I got it correctly. >> You can of course change the default gateway on all your hosts, or >> you can add the secondary IP in the subnet of the new hardware, on >> you router internal interface, and point the default gateway to it >> instead of outside. the packets will go to the linux router and from >> it to new hardware and then to outside. >> I hope i got you network topology correctly >> >>> Thanks gang, >>> Jason >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Apr 6 15:59:14 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can allow directory access and require a password so no one else will be able to log on. Options Indexes AllowOverride All AuthType Basic Require valid-user AuthName "name to identify auth" AuthUserFile /path/to/htpasswd/file/.htpasswd Then you'll have to make a .htpasswd file. #htpasswd -c /path/to/htpasswd/file/.htpasswd username #/etc/init.d/httpd graceful This is basic but should work. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:46 PM > To: TCLug > Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions > > > I would like to open up apache's permissions so that you can view the > files within a directory, along with all subdirs also. This is only a > temporary thing until my friend can pull the files that he needs off > my system, then I'm closing it back up. > > I'm not familiar with how to do this, and unfortunately, I've been > severely lacking in time to do the research to find out how to do it. > Could someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with a > sectio of the apache.conf file to change please? > > Scenario: Apache 1.3, running multiple domains. I'd like to open up > one directory that is under one web-root filesystem. I think it would > get set under the options, but I'm not > positive. > > Any help on this would be appreciated. Even if someone recommends a > utility/plug-in/script that I can do in a quick fashion to share these > out to him. Maybe tftp would be good here? > > -- > Shawn > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Tue Apr 6 15:59:26 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions In-Reply-To: <20040406154557.49ea8deb.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040406154557.49ea8deb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <40731A2E.6040609@cascopoint.com> Shawn wrote: >I would like to open up apache's permissions so that you can view the >files within a directory, along with all subdirs also. This is only a >temporary thing until my friend can pull the files that he needs off >my system, then I'm closing it back up. > > > by default you can view the index of the directory, actually you are viewing file that is defined in the DirectoryIndex option in httpd.conf , but if there is no such file apache generates a deirectory index for you. so if you remove the index.html you`ll be able to view the contents of the directory. hope that I`ve anderstood you question correctly >I'm not familiar with how to do this, and unfortunately, I've been >severely lacking in time to do the research to find out how to do it. >Could someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with a >sectio of the apache.conf file to change please? > >Scenario: Apache 1.3, running multiple domains. I'd like to open up >one directory that is under one web-root filesystem. I think it would >get set under the options, but I'm not >positive. > >Any help on this would be appreciated. Even if someone recommends a >utility/plug-in/script that I can do in a quick fashion to share these >out to him. Maybe tftp would be good here? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 6 16:06:59 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo+alsa+emu10k1 driver In-Reply-To: <40730582.9090900@jsievert.net> References: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> <40730582.9090900@jsievert.net> Message-ID: <40731BF3.3060906@andersonfam.org> Jason Sievert wrote: > What are you playing the wav's with? Most of the problems that I had > involved not having the right output plugin set. Also did you add that > user to the audio group? I'm using aplay to play the wavs: lpdlnx01 root # aplay /tmp/test.wav Playing WAVE '/tmp/lookalive_2004-02-20-d1t1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Input/output error I've also tried specifying the output like this: lpdlnx01 root # aplay -D hw:0 /tmp/test.wav Playing WAVE '/tmp/lookalive_2004-02-20-d1t1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Input/output error I'm running as root, so permissions shouldn't be an issue. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 16:20:01 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo+alsa+emu10k1 driver In-Reply-To: <40731BF3.3060906@andersonfam.org> References: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> <40730582.9090900@jsievert.net> <40731BF3.3060906@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:06:59 -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > >> What are you playing the wav's with? Most of the problems that I had >> involved not having the right output plugin set. Also did you add that >> user to the audio group? > > I'm using aplay to play the wavs: > In general can't you cat wavs to the aoudio device? cat yourwave.wav >/dev/audio > lpdlnx01 root # aplay /tmp/test.wav > Playing WAVE '/tmp/lookalive_2004-02-20-d1t1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little > Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo > aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Input/output error > > I've also tried specifying the output like this: > > lpdlnx01 root # aplay -D hw:0 /tmp/test.wav > Playing WAVE '/tmp/lookalive_2004-02-20-d1t1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little > Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo > aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Input/output error > > I'm running as root, so permissions shouldn't be an issue. > > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rbentz at dunwoody.edu Tue Apr 6 15:55:58 2004 From: rbentz at dunwoody.edu (rbentz@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding on IPCop for www.time.gov Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0217B578@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Hello all, I have a question about the port forwarding in IPCop. The problem: My WinXP box tries to access www.time.gov and the animated clock does not display. The WinXP machine is behind an IPCop firewall that is connected to the Inet via cable modem. The site(time.gov) says to "open" port 8013 so I tried but I don't understand why it's failing. The questions: Is there a way in IPCop to forward a port so all machines in the green network to use it? Anyone done this that could suggest what I'm supposed to do? The setup: IPCop is on an older IBM PC70 in default load and patches. (no other ports being forwarded) I have only a green and red network. Rob Bentz _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ck at thedweeb.com Tue Apr 6 13:25:15 2004 From: ck at thedweeb.com (ckh) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: USB thumbdrive crashes References: Message-ID: <000e01c41c04$828b9850$640a0a0a@99bwq11> Using RedHat - I've had success with: mount -tvfat /dev/sda /mnt/thumbdrive _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Apr 6 16:37:51 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question In-Reply-To: <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> References: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> Message-ID: <20040406213751.GF10722@therub.org> Ok let me stab at this one: On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Jason Sievert wrote: > Close, here is some ascii art to try and describe it. > > |----------------| |-------|(corp lan) > |Privet net | |gateway|(world) > |192.168.123.0/24| <----------> eth0 192.168.123.100|-------|eth1 > |----------------| eth0:0 192.168.0.100 172.16.0.3 > eth0:1 10.0.0.100 > > What I am looking for is when I bring a box in at 192.168.0.101 that the > router will not send that traffic through to the world but will NAT or > route it through the appropriate device. > For example if 192.168.123.2 want to go to google the gateway will nat > it but if it wants to talk to a raid at 192.168.0.101 it will route or > nat that through the gateway. > Jason > P.S. I im in way over my head so be gentel :) If you set up aliases on eth0 like you defined above, your linux router will route stuff to said aliases. so, ifconfig eth0 alias 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 (might have to check that syntax) - if you are on your router and you go ping 192.168.0.101 it'll see that alias and send the packets out accordingly, and you'll be able to get a response on 192.168.0.1. Does that help? dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Apr 6 16:34:24 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, I'm going to be moving soon, and I thought it would be a good opportunity to redesign my home network. I know it's a big topic, but let's play anyway. Requirements: - Local private network - Authenticated users (Windows and Linux) have their own home folders - Roaming profiles would be nice - Common shared folders - Shared printer - Wired and wireless access - Guest account can print, web surf, access public folders - Internet presence - Public HTTP server (probably Windows and Linux machines) - Remote SSH (not at first) I guess my questions are.... - What equipment will I need? I'm guessing two routers is the key to this. A WAP with WPA will be purchased (I'm currently using WEP128). - Can Samba provide roaming profiles, or am I limited to a MS solution? Do I need true roaming profiles if having "My Documents" on the network is good enough? (although a desktop and start menu that are customized would be really nice too) - Is it possible to have machines usable by authenticated users and guests and keep guests out of the private network shares, or should I make guest users use their own or dedicated machines? Many thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Apr 6 16:42:37 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding on IPCop for www.time.gov In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0217B578@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0217B578@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040406214237.GG10722@therub.org> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 03:55:58PM -0500, rbentz@dunwoody.edu wrote: > Hello all, > I have a question about the port forwarding in IPCop. > The problem: My WinXP box tries to access www.time.gov > and the animated clock does not display. The WinXP machine > is behind an IPCop firewall that is connected to the Inet > via cable modem. The site(time.gov) says to "open" port 8013 > so I tried but I don't understand why it's failing. > The questions: > Is there a way in IPCop to forward a port so all machines > in the green network to use it? > Anyone done this that could suggest what I'm supposed to do? If your network is NAT'd (i.e. you don't have public IPs internally), then you can only forward a port to one computer. Sucks, but that's the way it is. That's why people like to run services on weird ports - you can run ssh to different servers depending on a port, for instance, by forwarding port 1022 -> 10.0.0.4:22, 2022 -> 10.0.0.5:22, etc. So, then if i want to ssh to 10.0.0.4 i ssh to my public IP port 1022. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Tue Apr 6 16:36:21 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question In-Reply-To: <40731669.6040501@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: By default, it should route to the most specific route possible. If you have a subinterface with an IP and proper Subnet Mask, it should automagically send it to that subinterface and attempt to discover it through an arp request or broadcast. Any IP/Subnet not specified should follow the default route to your gateway. If this isn't working, you can e-mail me off list for some more indepth troubleshooting. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Anton Yurchenko Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:43 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question Jason Sievert wrote: > Close, here is some ascii art to try and describe it. > > |----------------| |-------|(corp lan) > |Privet net | |gateway|(world) > |192.168.123.0/24| <----------> eth0 192.168.123.100|-------|eth1 > |----------------| eth0:0 192.168.0.100 172.16.0.3 > eth0:1 10.0.0.100 > > What I am looking for is when I bring a box in at 192.168.0.101 that > the router will not send that traffic through to the world but will > NAT or route it through the appropriate device. > For example if 192.168.123.2 want to go to google the gateway will nat > it but if it wants to talk to a raid at 192.168.0.101 it will route or > nat that through the gateway. > Jason ok still lost. case 1: host goes to some inet site the linux gateway nats it and sends it to next gateway in 172.16.0 subnet case 2: host goest to some ip in user defined range of neworks and it instead is routed to a gateway in a 192.168.0 subnet? if that is correct then you just need to create static routes for the those subnets that need special handling and point them to the gateway on the 192.168.0 subnet > P.S. I im in way over my head so be gentel :) > > Anton Yurchenko wrote: > >> Jason Sievert wrote: >> >>> Ok all ye networking gurus, I am looking for some information on >>> setting up a gateway/router for my lab at work. I have the basic >>> setup, two network card, one private for the lab and one public for >>> net access and to allow certain computers to get back in. the >>> privet network is NATed when they go for outside access. The >>> internal ip address is at 192.168.123.0/24. Now my question is that >>> when we bring in equipment in from vendors it is normally set up >>> with a default ip address, like 10.0.0.12 or 192.168.0.101. What I >>> would like to do with virtually ip address, routing, or iptables is >>> set up a why that the 192.168.1230/24 net can access the other >>> networks on the same physical segment via this gateway? >>> >> so the way that I understand is that you have some host in internal >> net, going via the linux gateway. but when you bring in some new >> hardware with different IPs you`d like for all you internal hosts to >> use it as a gateway? I hope I got it correctly. >> You can of course change the default gateway on all your hosts, or >> you can add the secondary IP in the subnet of the new hardware, on >> you router internal interface, and point the default gateway to it >> instead of outside. the packets will go to the linux router and from >> it to new hardware and then to outside. >> I hope i got you network topology correctly >> >>> Thanks gang, >>> Jason >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 6 18:33:27 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data Recovery Message-ID: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 19:52:12 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions In-Reply-To: <40731A2E.6040609@cascopoint.com> References: <20040406154557.49ea8deb.sfertch@real-time.com> <40731A2E.6040609@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <20040406195212.22c3a292.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:59:26 -0500 Anton Yurchenko wrote: > by default you can view the index of the directory, actually you are > > viewing file that is defined in the DirectoryIndex option in > httpd.conf , but if there is no such file apache generates a > deirectory index for you. so if you remove the index.html you`ll be > able to view the contents of the directory. > hope that I`ve anderstood you question correctly > On my old implementations of apache, I used to be able to do this. However, with what it's setup as right now, I can't. There isn't an index.html file in either of the directories, but when I try to view it, it says "you don't have permissions to view /directory" Did I remove something that I shouldn't of on my config file? -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Apr 6 19:18:29 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <407348D5.7010801@jsievert.net> Not that I know of but if you are lucky, real lucky then you just fried the board not the motor or heads. See if you can find a like drive and swap the circuit board with it and hope that it still spins! Jason Lawrence Clemens wrote: > I won't tell you how stupidly I fried my little 3GB HD - well OK, I > forced the power plug reversed into the drive! ..... Don't ask!! > > Any relatively cheap options for data recover in the Cities? > Larry Clemens > Minneapolis, MN > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 21:09:44 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT(?)- Opening up apache permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040406210944.57a11c4a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:59:14 -0500 "Josh Close" wrote: > You can allow directory access and require a password so no one else > will be able to log on. > > > Options Indexes > AllowOverride All > AuthType Basic > Require valid-user > AuthName "name to identify auth" > AuthUserFile /path/to/htpasswd/file/.htpasswd > > > Then you'll have to make a .htpasswd file. > > #htpasswd -c /path/to/htpasswd/file/.htpasswd username > #/etc/init.d/httpd graceful > > This is basic but should work. > Outstanding! Just what I was looking for! Thanks! -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Apr 6 21:17:13 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted References: Message-ID: <004e01c41c49$02b2d040$0300a8c0@moose> Chris Schumann said: > Hi all, > > I'm going to be moving soon, and I thought it would be a good opportunity > to redesign my home network. I know it's a big topic, but let's play > anyway. > > Requirements: > - Local private network > - Authenticated users (Windows and Linux) have their own home folders > - Roaming profiles would be nice > - Common shared folders > - Shared printer > - Wired and wireless access > - Guest account can print, web surf, access public folders > > - Internet presence > - Public HTTP server (probably Windows and Linux machines) > - Remote SSH (not at first) It sounds like you would want to have a linux and a windows web server? I'm assuming you will have only one IP, so this would be tricky since you'll only be able to set your router to forward port 80 traffic to one machine. If this is for your own purposes, you could use a different port for one server and just remember to include it in the URL. SSH will be just a matter of forwarding port 22 traffic to the machine you want ssh for. > I guess my questions are.... > - What equipment will I need? I'm guessing two routers is the key to this. > A WAP with WPA will be purchased (I'm currently using WEP128). I'm not sure why you need two routers, unless you're counting the WAP as a router. If your going to trust the WAP to do authentication for network access, you'd just need the router to the Internet, and allow the WAP to provide wireless services. Not all WAP's act as routers, in case you didn't know. Your more paranoid option would be to use a firewall with a third port (DMZ) and VPN capabilities and attach your WAP to that, no authentication needed for 'net access, need to use the VPN for LAN. WPA would probably be good enough for your purposes, and easier. > - Can Samba provide roaming profiles, or am I limited to a MS solution? Do > I need true roaming profiles if having "My Documents" on the network is > good enough? (although a desktop and start menu that are customized would > be really nice too) I find roaming profiles to be a pain, set up login scripts and get your users accustomed to using a mapped drive for document storage. Your script could even make sure that the users My Documents folder is mapped to the network if you are handy with windows scripting, actually quite easy. I've never done it, but the docs say you can do roaming profiles with Samba, you might want to do a google on that. > - Is it possible to have machines usable by authenticated users and guests > and keep guests out of the private network shares, or should I make guest > users use their own or dedicated machines? Yes. Set up your samba box as a PDC and use domain security. If the guest is assigned no privileges to domain resources, it doesn't matter what machine they are logging in to. You can give them access to printers without giving them access to document shares. > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > HTH, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 6 21:33:59 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > I won't tell you how stupidly I fried my little 3GB HD - well OK, I > forced the power plug reversed into the drive! ..... Don't ask!! chances are that just fried the board - if you can find an identical drive that works, you can probably swap the logic board, and get your data back. > Any relatively cheap options for data recover in the Cities? Cheap, not really. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Apr 6 21:35:13 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking/routeing question References: <4072F35D.5000507@jsievert.net> <40730A1B.8070807@cascopoint.com> <4072FF3D.4050906@jsievert.net> Message-ID: <004f01c41c49$02c12820$0300a8c0@moose> Jason Sievert said: > Close, here is some ascii art to try and describe it. > > |----------------| |-------|(corp lan) > |Privet net | |gateway|(world) > |192.168.123.0/24| <----------> eth0 192.168.123.100|-------|eth1 > |----------------| eth0:0 192.168.0.100 172.16.0.3 > eth0:1 10.0.0.100 > > What I am looking for is when I bring a box in at 192.168.0.101 that the > router will not send that traffic through to the world but will NAT or > route it through the appropriate device. > For example if 192.168.123.2 want to go to google the gateway will nat > it but if it wants to talk to a raid at 192.168.0.101 it will route or > nat that through the gateway. > Jason > P.S. I im in way over my head so be gentel :) Hrrm...weird, but I think you can do it, of course I've had four beers so I'm optimistic :). There should automagically be a route to 192.168.123.0/24 via eth0 and 192.168.0.0/24 via eth0:0, etc. Set up a default route via eth1 for Internet traffic with the appropriate iptables rules for doing NAT and it should work, in theory. You may have some issues with your switch, I could see where multiple different broadcast domains on the same segment would cause some switching gear to spaz, but I've never tried it to be sure. I'd run Ethereal or similar in a few different locations to see what kind of noise is generated. You'd be best off if you could put multiple physical ethernet cards in the linux box and then reconfigure the network addressing on those ports as needed to get equipment talking to the rest of the lab. Good Luck Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Apr 6 21:52:11 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted In-Reply-To: <004e01c41c49$02b2d040$0300a8c0@moose> References: <004e01c41c49$02b2d040$0300a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040407025211.GA4414@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:17:13PM -0500, Josh Welch wrote: > Chris Schumann said: [snip] > > - Internet presence > > - Public HTTP server (probably Windows and Linux machines) > > - Remote SSH (not at first) > > It sounds like you would want to have a linux and a windows web > server? I'm assuming you will have only one IP, so this would be > tricky since you'll only be able to set your router to forward port 80 > traffic to one machine. If this is for your own purposes, you could > use a different port for one server and just remember to include it in > the URL. Or you could set up some sort of reverse proxy on the port 80 machine to forward requests to other machines based on hostname. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 7 00:50:20 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4073969C.6010006@visi.com> Chris Schumann wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm going to be moving soon, and I thought it would be a good opportunity >to redesign my home network. I know it's a big topic, but let's play >anyway. > >Requirements: >- Local private network > - Authenticated users (Windows and Linux) have their own home folders > - Roaming profiles would be nice > - Common shared folders > - Shared printer > - Wired and wireless access > - Guest account can print, web surf, access public folders > > > >- Internet presence > - Public HTTP server (probably Windows and Linux machines) > > You will _need_ just one router, then use port forwarding (I'm using this method). Technically you need 2 IP addresses, one your ISP uses to connect you to the Internet, the other is assigned to your router. All traffic will go to your router from the Internet, you tell the traffic (directed by "ports") to the internal IP address. Port forwarding is not as fast as a direct connection but it's more secure. Only ports you open have traffic passing to computers on the internal network. Example :www.fred.org:1001 where www.fred.org is on port 80. The router has that port assigned to a specific internal IP address like 192.168.0.10. So when the websurfer enters www.fred.org:1001 they get to the webserver the router is pointing 1001 at. You can provide links on the website (www.fred.org on port 80) to other machines on the internal network. If you want to have another machine with an IP address exposed to the Internet (3 IP addresses) you may have to pay for a "block" of IP addresses, generally 5 addresses, this can be $$$. HTTP on port 80 SSH on port 22 FTP on port 21 Terminal Services (windows) on port 3389 Many ports are not used, 1001-1009 are unassigned so you wont have conflicts. > - Remote SSH (not at first) > >I guess my questions are.... >- What equipment will I need? I'm guessing two routers is the key to this. >A WAP with WPA will be purchased (I'm currently using WEP128). > > > Just plug the WAP in to the router or a switch. >- Can Samba provide roaming profiles, or am I limited to a MS solution? Do >I need true roaming profiles if having "My Documents" on the network is >good enough? (although a desktop and start menu that are customized would >be really nice too) > > > Roaming Profiles in a home network are close to worthless, how often will you need to use another machine in the same house? The only time I touch another machine is to fix it and my machines are off limits. I have 2 servers one for Web serving, file, and print (W2K). The other is RH Linux 8 watching the Internet connection and generally being the cop after the router (need to purge old logs...). I have XP Pro Workstation, Fedora laptop, my wifes W98 laptop, my kids W89 desktops. I have a laser printer on an HP Jetdirect, and a color inkjet on the parellel port of the W2K server. With the Linux laptop I don't connect to a Samba share to print, I go directly at the JetDirect. It's a wired and switched network Leave the "Guest" account disabled, use a JetDirect and you will not have to worry about printing from Linux or Windows using the "guest" account. Create an account that only has access to specific things don't let the account have access to private information. As long as a machine can be plugged in to my network and it is running DHCP, it can get to the Internet. It can't touch the Linux, XP Pro, or W2K machines, they are as secure as possible or as a home network needs to be. If your buddy is hacking your home network I might evaluate the friendship ;-) Domains are not the the best for small networks, Domains require a large overhead of resources like disk, memory, backup, and bandwidth to maintain. With all the machines I have on the network I don't bother with a Domain. I just map the drives necessary at the specific machine and make them persistent. Sam. >- Is it possible to have machines usable by authenticated users and guests >and keep guests out of the private network shares, or should I make guest >users use their own or dedicated machines? > >Many thanks, >Chris Schumann > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Wed Apr 7 00:18:36 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <200404070018.36643.lists@gahlon.com> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 06:33 pm, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Any relatively cheap options for data recover in the Cities? Cheap? That really doesn't exist in the recovery market. However ontrack is local. http://www.ontrack.com/ At the last company I was at I had to send a managers drive in. His laptop hit the floor from about 4' while running. And nope, he hadn't backed up his data for about 3 months. $1500 later we had about 1/2 his data. The cost was high because it took over a week as they attempted some very intensive recovery. Your platters aren't damaged so I doubt it would cost anywhere near that. Or you could look for a used one on E-bay etc... with the same model number and (carefully) replace the circuit board. Another option is to try replacing the soldered in fuses. (good luck finding them, but they're there) There is a _remote_ possibility the logic components are still okay. Unless of course you let the smoke out of them. :-) Next time I suggest not forcing the keyed molex connector. Violence and technology do not make good bedfellows. -- Christopher A. Gahlon /(bb|[^b]{2})/, that is the question. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 7 08:19:05 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: <200404070018.36643.lists@gahlon.com> References: <001001c41c2f$903acdb0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404070018.36643.lists@gahlon.com> Message-ID: <1081343943.26044.9.camel@unixws1> > Next time I suggest not forcing the keyed molex connector. Violence > and technology do not make good bedfellows. Unless you reverse the other end as well. There's a small chance that plugging the molex connector in backwards will void your warranty. So, you thought that since it's a 10krpm drive, you could drive the motor at 5V instead of 12 and have 4300rpm, but then run the circuit board at 12V so the bits would travel faster through the circuitry, doubling the throughput? :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Wed Apr 7 08:30:05 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted References: Message-ID: <00eb01c41ca4$716a4260$8a252893@bakerr2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Home or SOHO Small Network HOWTO Wanted > - Can Samba provide roaming profiles, or am I limited to a MS solution? Yes. Any file server that can "participate" in a Windows "network" (with SMB) can store profiles. You'll probably have to tweak some things regarding ownership. Read more: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=samba+enable+windows+xp+roaming+profiles > Do I need true roaming profiles if having "My Documents" on the network is > good enough? (although a desktop and start menu that are customized would > be really nice too) Probably not, but it depends on how much profile-specific data outside of your home directory you'll want to follow you around. Things like favorites, shortcuts on the start menu and desktop, Outlook settings, printers are stored in the profile. For "smooth" roaming profiles, you'll want to: - exclude fat and unnecessary directories like \Temp, \Temporary Internet Files (set by default) from roaming - ensure all clients and the file server are using NTP or another method of synchronizing system times. THIS IS CRITICAL! You'll also want to consider whether or not to "cache copies of roaming profiles". If you have the hard drive space (plan on 50 - 500 MB per user) you should probably do this to cut down logon times. I have experimented with roaming profiles (even over 802.11b!) since the 4 kids choose an available PC from any of (currently) 3 PC's distributed throughout the house. Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Wed Apr 7 13:01:14 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MTRG cpu monitoring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c41cca$510155b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > This is something I use to do CPU on a linux based device, > should work for > RedHat: I really appreciate these configs, they seem to be working, but I've some questions... What the heck is the difference between CPU Util and Load? What do these actually measure? Also, my CPU Util never seems to change from 2% exactly, even though I'm purposely loading the server. I'm assuming I've got something going wrong here? No error messages, and it's definitely logging data, but CPU Util isn't changing, and I'm not sure that the load numbers actually correlate with what the machine is doing. Here's my adaptation of your config: WorkDir: /var/www/html/mrtg Refresh: 300 Interval: 5 WriteExpires: Yes # IconDir: /images/dir/ NoSpaceChar: ~ #SnmpOptions: timeout => 1, retries => 1 WithPeak[^]:dwmy Options[^]: gauge Background[^]: #ffffff YLegend[^]: % Utilization ShortLegend[^]: % Util LegendI[^]: 1 Min LegendO[^]: 5 Min MaxBytes[^]: 100 Title[^]:CPU Load PageTop[^]:

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# Default - CPU String Target[^]: 100 * .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.&.1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.2:TCTECH@~ # Location: NAME Directory[MAIL.load]: MAIL Target[MAIL.load]:localhost RouterUptime[MAIL.load]: TCTECH@localhost PageTop[MAIL.load]: CPU Load for mail.tc-tech.com Thanks! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 7 17:47:41 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404072247.i37Mlf424470@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Web Application and Site Developer Plaudit Design, an emerging web firm, is seeking a person to immediately fill a web application / website development position. This is a unique opportunity for a developer who has the initiative and skill to implement websites and web based software. We are looking for someone to work full time at our office near St. Thomas on University Avenue but will surely consider a programmer who can only work part time until the end of spring semester. Qualifications: Candidates must be highly skilled and enthusiastic about developing websites and web-based software. The ability to work independently and in collaboration with other employees is essential. Requirements: Strong skills in HTML, PHP, XSL, CSS, and SQL. Familiarity with technologies such as Perl, Flash, Java, .NET, VB, and Linux is a plus. Experience and talent in object-oriented development of software for web-based applications is necessary. Other software experience is a plus. Anyone qualified person who would like to apply for this position should email their resume to jobs@plauditdesign.com. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 7 17:53:30 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404072253.i37MrU324752@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Web Application and Site Developer
Plaudit Design, an emerging web firm, is seeking a person to immediately fill a web
application / website development position. This is a unique opportunity for a developer
who has the initiative and skill to implement websites and web based software.

We are looking for someone to work full time at our office near St. Thomas on University
Avenue but will surely consider a programmer who can only work part time until the end of
spring semester.



Qualifications:

Candidates must be highly skilled and enthusiastic about developing
websites and web-based software. The ability to work independently and in
collaboration with other employees is essential.

Requirements:
Strong skills in HTML, PHP, XSL, CSS, and SQL.
Familiarity with technologies such as Perl, Flash, Java, .NET, VB, and Linux
is a plus.
Experience and talent in object-oriented development of software for web-based
applications is necessary. Other software experience is a plus.

Anyone qualified person who would like to apply for this position should email their resume
to jobs@plauditdesign.com. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Apr 7 23:11:47 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? In-Reply-To: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> References: <1569.216.70.45.162.1081270872.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> Message-ID: <1081397504.25308.2.camel@bigtime> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 12:01, Erik Hanson wrote: > Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? Not space wise > but access wise? And if there is is there a way to tell how much of the > total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? Gkrellm! Needs X though. Someday I will write a curses frontend to gkrellmd, and also a rrdtool logging backend because both of these would be awesomely useful. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Apr 8 08:09:14 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] palm & gpilotd [or kpilotd] & batch installs Message-ID: <200404080809.18304.jpschewe@mtu.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I run plucker from a cronjob at night to automatically update certain web pages on my palm. I'm currently using jpilot and found that it's very easy to tell jpilot to install a new database from a batch job. I just append a line to ~/.jpilot/jpilot_to_install. Does anyone know how to do this with gpilotd or kpilotd? I'd prefer gpilotd, but either would be nice. - -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdU7+yWh1lXh/lFURAr2PAJ90vVYp+//EamwfPgM4SoqijUe33wCfTLZD Cjh5UX83saCYRPZzWn2Iwdg= =ujhM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Apr 8 08:35:04 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: <1081397504.25308.2.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On that topic, and just out of weird curiosity, has anyone seen an ascii gui to a commandline interface? I'm picturing something with gkrellm-like info on the right, some other system info or something on the bottom, and the rest of the screen just a plain old command line, all with no X. Not that this would be extremely useful, but would be interesting to play with for a few minutes. I suppose it could be useful over ssh sessions or something if you don't need live remote monitoring info on your servers. john > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:12 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] What about disk IO usage? > > On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 12:01, Erik Hanson wrote: > > Is there a way to monitor how much the disk is being used? > Not space > > wise but access wise? And if there is is there a way to > tell how much > > of the total IO "throughput" or whatever is being used? > > Gkrellm! > > Needs X though. Someday I will write a curses frontend to > gkrellmd, and also a rrdtool logging backend because both of > these would be awesomely useful. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Apr 8 08:54:23 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? References: Message-ID: John T. Hoffoss writes: > On that topic, and just out of weird curiosity, has anyone seen an ascii > gui to a commandline interface? I'm picturing something with gkrellm-like > info on the right, some other system info or something on the bottom, and > the rest of the screen just a plain old command line, all with no X. > > Not that this would be extremely useful, but would be interesting to play > with for a few minutes. I suppose it could be useful over ssh sessions or > something if you don't need live remote monitoring info on your servers. using screen you can partition your terminal in any number of ways. What you want can be done. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug.list at slushpupie.com Thu Apr 8 09:10:50 2004 From: tclug.list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040408141049.GA30912@slushpupie.com> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 08:54:23AM -0500, nassarmu@redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > > using screen you can partition your terminal in any number of ways. What > you want can be done. Can screen do a vertical split (so you have a window on left and right)? I know how to do a horizontal split (window on top and bottom), but I havnt figured out how to specifiy a height/size when splitting. I wish screen was better documented, its got tons of features, and I have a hard time finding them. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Apr 8 09:26:11 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: <20040408141049.GA30912@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jay Kline > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:11 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? > > I wish screen was better > documented, its got tons of features, and I have a hard time > finding them. I've run into this as well. I've tried to play with it a bit in the past, but didn't have much time to invest in learning it (I still don't...) but hopefully I'll get to it soon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 09:41:43 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: References: <1081397504.25308.2.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040408094143.6ef9fcc7.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:35:04 -0500 "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > On that topic, and just out of weird curiosity, has anyone seen an > ascii gui to a commandline interface? I'm picturing something with > gkrellm-like info on the right, some other system info or something > on the bottom, and the rest of the screen just a plain old command > line, all with no X. > > Not that this would be extremely useful, but would be interesting to > play with for a few minutes. I suppose it could be useful over ssh > sessions or something if you don't need live remote monitoring info > on your servers. > I ran across iftop about a month ago. Nice somewhat-live feed like top. It only shows network info, but wonder if there's something like that for disk or other things? -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Apr 8 11:47:13 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404081647.i38GlDm00822@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: older computers HP Vectra VL 8 PII 350, 96MB, NO HD $25 or BO Dell OptiPlex GXa PII 266, No memory, NO HD I have 96MB PC100 memory for this you can have, but the Dell BIOS complains about it. "one or more of the Memory DIMMs are out of rev" $15 or BO must pick up in Shoreview or meet me close by. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 8 14:13:01 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: <20040408141049.GA30912@slushpupie.com> References: <20040408141049.GA30912@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20040408191301.GA9112@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 8 14:23:34 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? Message-ID: <20040408192334.GC9112@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Apr 8 17:04:22 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software Message-ID: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm going to ask again since things change and its been an active couple of months for viruses. What is everyone using for anti-virus software (for Windows and/or Linux) in your business environment? Do you like it? What experiences have you had with any of the following packages: - AVG - ClamAV - e-Trust (CA) - F-Prot - McAfee - Norton (Symantec) - Panda - Sophos I'm currently using ClamAV on my Linux boxes and love it. I'm fed up with the Norton that all my clients seem to have installed. I was impressed with Sophos but it seems awful expensive. I'm thinking of starting to rollout F-Prot. Comments? -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Apr 8 17:17:13 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https Message-ID: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> Hello all, This seems like a simple problem but I can not seem to come up with a simple answer. I have a php app which is working fine. I have ssl working. I can currently access any part of this app using either http port 80 or https port 443. What I want to do is force everything to run encrypted over https. A little googleing points me to mod_rewrite. I am not an apache guru. In my quest for a quick easy lazy mans fix I cut and past this into my httpd.conf file. RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$ RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [R,L] This does not seems to do anything. I find no errors in any logs. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Is Rewrite the only way to accomplish this? if so what is wrong with this rewrite rule? Thanks, -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Apr 8 17:30:00 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <1081463399.28741.82.camel@unixws1> > - McAfee Still using the BSD version and it's great. Licensing is still dirt cheap. > - Norton (Symantec) Using this on the windows boxen. I don't maintain them, but I don't think we have any problems with it. We are running some sort of blinky corporate version where the updates are pushed from a central server here to the client machines. Norton AV 2004 for home users appears to break Outhouse frequently when checking mail. They are no longer changing the POP and SMTP servers to localhost (to scan mail) but are now doing something a few layers further down, and it doesn't work all that well (not that the POP/SMTP proxy in previous versions worked all that well...) Ugh. Windows. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Apr 8 17:41:47 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: cheap/stable Linux with security updates to replaceRedHat? In-Reply-To: <001f01c41b1b$306bbad0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001f01c41b1b$306bbad0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <4075D52B.6070901@comcast.net> I've been using Mandrake v9.1 (skipped 9.2) and am presently downloading v10 Community to give that a try on a test machine. Mandrake offers free updates and a pretty nice installation. Matt Murphy wrote: > I'm facing the same dilemna. I have a RH9 box here that's just > now getting up to speed and almost ready for prime time production work, > but now RedHat is EOLing it! Ack! My bigger question is how difficult it > is and what steps are needed to move this machine, > configs/files/accounts in tact, to Fedora 1 or RHEL. Anyone? > > Matt -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 17:19:13 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Ben Maas wrote: > I'm currently using ClamAV on my Linux boxes and love it. I'm fed up > with the Norton that all my clients seem to have installed. I was > impressed with Sophos but it seems awful expensive. I'm thinking of > starting to rollout F-Prot. Comments? ClamAV rules. They have had definitions out for most of the worms faster than McAfee. clamd is also nice - keeps everything in memory for you. It's always good to have two virus engines, though, just to make sure. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Apr 8 17:49:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> How about something like: ServerName www.blah.com Redirect / https://www.blah.com ? On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:17, Tom Penney wrote: > Hello all, > > This seems like a simple problem but I can not seem to come up with a > simple answer. > > I have a php app which is working fine. I have ssl working. I can > currently access any part of this app using either http port 80 or https > port 443. What I want to do is force everything to run encrypted over > https. > > A little googleing points me to mod_rewrite. I am not an apache guru. In > my quest for a quick easy lazy mans fix I cut and past this into my > httpd.conf file. > > > RewriteEngine on > RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$ > RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [R,L] > > > This does not seems to do anything. I find no errors in any logs. Can > anyone point me in the right direction? Is Rewrite the only way to > accomplish this? if so what is wrong with this rewrite rule? > > Thanks, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Apr 8 17:49:20 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding on IPCop for www.time.gov In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0217B578@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0217B578@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <4075D6F0.4030009@comcast.net> Hmmm, just tried it through my Smoothwall from a Win98SE machine running Mozilla for a browser (Java installed) and it worked fine. Are you sure your WinXP has a sufficient Java client installed? I noticed that the animated clock loaded Java to run. rbentz@dunwoody.edu wrote: > Hello all, > I have a question about the port forwarding in IPCop. > The problem: My WinXP box tries to access www.time.gov > and the animated clock does not display. The WinXP machine > is behind an IPCop firewall that is connected to the Inet > via cable modem. The site(time.gov) says to "open" port 8013 > so I tried but I don't understand why it's failing. > The questions: > Is there a way in IPCop to forward a port so all machines > in the green network to use it? > Anyone done this that could suggest what I'm supposed to do? > > The setup: > IPCop is on an older IBM PC70 in default load and patches. > (no other ports being forwarded) > I have only a green and red network. > > Rob Bentz > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 8 17:59:49 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <20040408225949.GB10666@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 18:10:33 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <20040408181033.0bbe3b6e.sfertch@real-time.com> At work, we use McAfee. Only have one *nix box with it installed, may start pushing it out more. Seems okay, even with the change to the centralized management server. Use a combination of Norton and AVG here at home. Norton is okay, AVG is okay. I'm currently switching over to AVG. -- Shawn Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" That which hits the fan will not be evenly distributed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thurianknight at earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 18:13:41 2004 From: thurianknight at earthlink.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <1081466021.3099.6.camel@dedannshae> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:04, Ben Maas wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm going to ask again since things > change and its been an active couple of months for viruses. > > What is everyone using for anti-virus software (for Windows and/or Linux) in > your business environment? > > Do you like it? ClamAV on my mail gateway, CommandSoft on my Exchange server and on all other servers and workstations. CommandSoft updates are downloaded to a domain server and pushed to the other servers and clients from there. I'd never heard of CommandSoft before starting at my current job last year. Seems to work quite well, updates are at least once per week (and usually more like 2-4 times these days). It's nice to have 3 layers of protection, given that we're stuck with ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H standardized on the MS platform. -- Dave Sherman - CCNA, MCSE, MCSA I do know everything, just not all at once. It's a virtual memory problem. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Apr 8 18:14:20 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:49, Adam Maloney wrote: > How about something like: > > > ServerName www.blah.com > Redirect / https://www.blah.com > > > ? This works, Thanks. I did not think of this approach. The trouble with this is I don't want to force the whole host to use https, I just want to force this one app to use https. www.blah.com/myapp - needs to force https www.blah.com/everythingelse - http ok But I could just set up a new virtual host strictly for my app then forward www.blah.com/myapp to the new https only host myapp.blah.com. This is what I will do unless someone can suggest a way to pick and choose which directories in are forced to use https. Thanks for the suggestion! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 19:00:15 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinda OT: XBox Games? Message-ID: I'm looking for an older copy of MechAssault or 007 Under Fire so I can load Linux on an Xbox I just picked up for a MythTV front end; anyone happen to have a copy sitting around that they want to sell or loan me for a couple days? I've already been through two copies of MechAssault, both were the patched version. :( As a side note, I have two copies of MechAssault for sale. :) For MechAssault, the product id on the back of the disc should be MS02301L; for 007, it can either be 1448507 or 1448517. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 8 19:19:23 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4075EC0B.4020502@cascopoint.com> Tom Penney wrote: >On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:49, Adam Maloney wrote: > > >>How about something like: >> >> >>ServerName www.blah.com >>Redirect / https://www.blah.com >> >> >>? >> >> > >This works, Thanks. I did not think of this approach. The trouble with >this is I don't want to force the whole host to use https, I just want >to force this one app to use https. > >www.blah.com/myapp - needs to force https >www.blah.com/everythingelse - http ok > >But I could just set up a new virtual host strictly for my app then >forward www.blah.com/myapp to the new https only host myapp.blah.com. >This is what I will do unless someone can suggest a way to pick and >choose which directories in are forced to use https. > > > you can put this Redirect statement in .htaccess file and in a proper directory. this would do it. I`ve tried many times to have it like are trying to do this never got it working. Though I`m still wondering why, it is even in the FAQ of mod_ssl. >Thanks for the suggestion! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Thu Apr 8 19:31:27 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital monitor Message-ID: <16501.61151.362984.664333@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I was wondering if anyone has any experience configuring a monitor using a digital connection. I have a new 19" Princeton LCD, 1280x1024. I've managed to bring it up successfully with my Mandrake 9.1 box (NVIDIA GeForce board) using an analog connector, but nothing I tried to get it to work with the digital connector was ok. Seemed like I just couldn't get an XF86Config file that would work. Any suggestions? Couldn't find anything googling.... Thanks, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 19:54:33 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital monitor In-Reply-To: <16501.61151.362984.664333@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16501.61151.362984.664333@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has any experience configuring a monitor using > a digital connection. I have a new 19" Princeton LCD, 1280x1024. I've > managed to bring it up successfully with my Mandrake 9.1 box (NVIDIA > GeForce board) using an analog connector, but nothing I tried to get it > to work with the digital connector was ok. Seemed like I just couldn't > get an XF86Config file that would work. Any suggestions? Couldn't find > anything googling.... The open-source nv driver doesn't support the dvi connector, iirc. If you're using nv, try using nvidia's binary driver. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Thu Apr 8 21:14:46 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <40760716.1030503@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How about simply disallowing access if it isn't an https connection? I don't have the recipe in front of me but I could post it later if folks are interested. I use it on the webserver at work. Tom Penney wrote: | Hello all, | | This seems like a simple problem but I can not seem to come up with a | simple answer. | | I have a php app which is working fine. I have ssl working. I can | currently access any part of this app using either http port 80 or https | port 443. What I want to do is force everything to run encrypted over | https. | | A little googleing points me to mod_rewrite. I am not an apache guru. In | my quest for a quick easy lazy mans fix I cut and past this into my | httpd.conf file. | | | RewriteEngine on | RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$ | RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [R,L] | | | This does not seems to do anything. I find no errors in any logs. Can | anyone point me in the right direction? Is Rewrite the only way to | accomplish this? if so what is wrong with this rewrite rule? | | Thanks, | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdgcW8/QSptFdBtURAvVKAJ4jAAetjdEvHtULQEKGGFLSNPb2EgCggipn llVTY/pWwAxmAojjZS6uaK0= =IUFv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Thu Apr 8 21:12:25 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <40760689.6030102@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mimedefang rejecting executables outright+clamav. Mimedefang is bouncing ~30-40 viruses a day, clamav isn't getting much of a workout. Sophos on the WinXP laptops to keep other sources at bay. Happy! Ben Maas wrote: | I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm going to ask again since things | change and its been an active couple of months for viruses. | | What is everyone using for anti-virus software (for Windows and/or Linux) in | your business environment? | | Do you like it? | | What experiences have you had with any of the following packages: | - AVG | - ClamAV | - e-Trust (CA) | - F-Prot | - McAfee | - Norton (Symantec) | - Panda | - Sophos | | I'm currently using ClamAV on my Linux boxes and love it. I'm fed up with the | Norton that all my clients seem to have installed. I was impressed with | Sophos but it seems awful expensive. I'm thinking of starting to rollout | F-Prot. Comments? | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdgaJ8/QSptFdBtURArW+AJ0Zu/9a++JuZAbLYWEmzpbSCtUu0QCfaU1y JzqtUJ82CeTGA/mlEmKLLik= =AcMX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Thu Apr 8 22:30:08 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (jason reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinda OT: XBox Games? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407618C0.8070104@mn.rr.com> have you tried renting one at a local video store? I'm sure they would let you look at the disc before renting it. natecars@real-time.com wrote: >I'm looking for an older copy of MechAssault or 007 Under Fire so I can >load Linux on an Xbox I just picked up for a MythTV front end; anyone >happen to have a copy sitting around that they want to sell or loan me for >a couple days? > >I've already been through two copies of MechAssault, both were the patched >version. :( As a side note, I have two copies of MechAssault for sale. >:) > >For MechAssault, the product id on the back of the disc should be >MS02301L; for 007, it can either be 1448507 or 1448517. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Apr 8 22:33:54 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1081481632.8275.1.camel@bigtime> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 18:14, Tom Penney wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:49, Adam Maloney wrote: > > How about something like: > > > > > > ServerName www.blah.com > > Redirect / https://www.blah.com > > > > > > ? > > This works, Thanks. I did not think of this approach. The trouble with > this is I don't want to force the whole host to use https, I just want > to force this one app to use https. Redirect /yourapp https://www.blah.com/yourapp _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 8 23:19:57 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinda OT: XBox Games? In-Reply-To: <407618C0.8070104@mn.rr.com> References: <407618C0.8070104@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, jason reynolds wrote: > have you tried renting one at a local video store? I'm sure they would > let you look at the disc before renting it. yeah, just thought of that after i posted. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Apr 9 07:55:13 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <20040409075513.0000624b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:04:22 -0500 Ben Maas wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm going to ask again > since things change and its been an active couple of months for > viruses. > > What is everyone using for anti-virus software (for Windows and/or > Linux) in your business environment? > > Do you like it? > > What experiences have you had with any of the following packages: > - AVG > - ClamAV ClamAV gets my vote, in addition, reject ALL email with Windohs executable content at the SMTP level, including Zip files. Configuration depends on your MTA. There's no reason these should be attached to email messages, provide an online file upload/download area if people gripe. This has the added benefit of significantly reducing the load on your AV. Clam, as with other email content scanners, can take a lot of CPU. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 9 08:23:02 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (jason reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinda OT: XBox Games? In-Reply-To: References: <407618C0.8070104@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4076A3B6.1090408@mn.rr.com> natecars@real-time.com wrote: >On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, jason reynolds wrote: > > >>have you tried renting one at a local video store? I'm sure they would >>let you look at the disc before renting it. >> >> > >yeah, just thought of that after i posted. :) > If you find yourself at a complete loss I do have that edition of Mechwarrior. I thought of doing that mod to my xbox, but haven't gotten around to it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Apr 9 08:33:55 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT apache - force https In-Reply-To: <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> References: <1081462632.31062.26.camel@lotsa> <1081464565.28741.85.camel@unixws1> <1081466059.31062.70.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1081517634.1464.14.camel@unixws1> I think you can do: Redirect /myapp https://www.server.com/myapp instead. On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 18:14, Tom Penney wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:49, Adam Maloney wrote: > > How about something like: > > > > > > ServerName www.blah.com > > Redirect / https://www.blah.com > > > > > > ? > > This works, Thanks. I did not think of this approach. The trouble with > this is I don't want to force the whole host to use https, I just want > to force this one app to use https. > > www.blah.com/myapp - needs to force https > www.blah.com/everythingelse - http ok > > But I could just set up a new virtual host strictly for my app then > forward www.blah.com/myapp to the new https only host myapp.blah.com. > This is what I will do unless someone can suggest a way to pick and > choose which directories in are forced to use https. > > Thanks for the suggestion! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Fri Apr 9 09:05:04 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <20040409075513.0000624b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040409084822.01cb5e08@mail.comcast.net> At 07:55 AM 4/9/2004, Josh wrote: >ClamAV gets my vote, in addition, reject ALL email with Windohs executable >content at the SMTP level, including Zip files. Configuration depends on >your MTA. There's no reason these should be attached to email messages, >provide an online file upload/download area if people gripe. This has the >added benefit of significantly reducing the load on your AV. Clam, as >with other email content scanners, can take a lot of CPU. I don't get this reasoning. Yes, executables carry viruses. But how is it a good idea to tell people to use a back door communication mechanism that subverts the virus scanners? How do you ensure that the ftp dropbox doesn't contain infected files? Second, there are more than just .exe and .zip executables to worry about. Your users (and virus writers) are eventually going to figure this out, so sooner or later you'll have to extend your filter to exclude more file types. For example, WinZip supports .arj and .tar archive formats. These aren't as popular as .zip, so they aren't used as much, but I wouldn't be surprised to see virus payloads being vectored through these file types, because WinZip will automatically recognize them. Finally, as for the benefit of "significantly reducing the load on your AV," it seems to me that this is a false economy. The point of the scanner is to detect viruses. What's the cost if one gets through the back door channel? Can you explain more why this is a good idea? I'd really like to understand. Thanks. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Apr 9 09:29:48 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hard drive info In-Reply-To: <20040406134742.GA3928@refried.org> (nate@refried.org) References: <002f01c41bd9$cd7d2340$4bae6742@DELL2> <20040406134742.GA3928@refried.org> Message-ID: <200404091429.i39ETmJ24112@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Nate wrote: >If you're looking for disk geometry like cylinders, tracks and sectors, >I use `fdisk -l /dev/hd?`. For SCSI and ATA drives: # fdisk -l /dev/[hs]d? This command usually requires root user privileges. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Apr 9 10:31:23 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040409084822.01cb5e08@mail.comcast.net> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040409084822.01cb5e08@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: > At 07:55 AM 4/9/2004, Josh wrote: > > >ClamAV gets my vote, in addition, reject ALL email with Windohs executable > >content at the SMTP level, including Zip files. Configuration depends on > >your MTA. There's no reason these should be attached to email messages, > >provide an online file upload/download area if people gripe. This has the > >added benefit of significantly reducing the load on your AV. Clam, as > >with other email content scanners, can take a lot of CPU. > > I don't get this reasoning. Yes, executables carry viruses. But how is it a > good idea to tell people to use a back door communication mechanism that > subverts the virus scanners? How do you ensure that the ftp dropbox doesn't > contain infected files? I have to agree with Jeff. Even if you do have an advanced user base the people they email probably aren't. Sometimes its easier to just "attach and forget" and if things are setup properly the risk is low. Yes I know you might get that ground zero virus through if you are extremely unlucky. Even if I did strip executables I'd still want to be scanning inbound and outbound messages. I suppose, one could argue that you are reducing load on the mail server. The most noticable example being some nob mailing that 30MB Power Point presentation around to half the company. However, I think most of those problems can be solved by education and (as a last resort) size restrictions. Also, assuming you have a scanner running on that file server they aren't really avoiding getting scanned, just the mail scanner. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Apr 9 10:33:03 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <20040409075513.0000624b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <001901c41e47$f2909750$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > in addition, reject ALL email with > Windohs executable content at the SMTP level, including Zip > files. Configuration depends on your MTA. There's no reason > these should be attached to email messages, provide an online > file upload/download area if people gripe. Way to be responsive to the needs of your users. Are you an enabler in your company, or someone that people have to get through to get their work done? Think about that the next time you don't get promoted. You can be plenty safe without disallowing executable files, and TRAINING (yes that means actually talking to users) is a big part of that. The day the latest big worm hit I was out for drinks with some of my sysadmin friends, and they were all griping about how they spent all day cleaning up viruses. That was the first I'd heard of it, and we never got hit. Why is that? I have good security, good A/V, good policies, and users that know what to look for, and know that if they're the one that lets a virus through, it's their ass. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Apr 9 10:49:32 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040409084822.01cb5e08@mail.comcast.net> References: <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <200404081704.22212.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040409084822.01cb5e08@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040409104932.00005840@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:05:04 -0500 Jeff Nelson wrote: > I don't get this reasoning. Yes, executables carry viruses. But how > is it a good idea to tell people to use a back door communication > mechanism that subverts the virus scanners? How do you ensure that > the ftp dropbox doesn't contain infected files? Not FTP, but very controlled upload/download over SSL with authentication that I control. And no, I cannot guaruntee that they don't upload or download an infected file, that would be the job of their client scanner, or I could easily add scanning of uploaded files with ClamAV as well, which I probably should now that I think of it. So actually I could guaruntee that they don't upload infected files. > Second, there are more than just .exe and .zip executables to worry > about. Your users (and virus writers) are eventually going to figure > this out, so sooner or later you'll have to extend your filter to > exclude more file types. For example, WinZip supports .arj and .tar > archive formats. These aren't as popular as .zip, so they aren't > used as much, but I wouldn't be surprised to see virus payloads > being vectored through these file types, because WinZip will > automatically recognize them. Yeah, which is why after the blocking at the SMTP level, it still goes to the virus scanner to look for .BAT, .VBS, etc. I would have no problem blocking .tar, .bz2, .z, .rar whatever. My arguement is that most Outlook users don't send this stuff around intentionally, those who actually know what bunzip2 is will probably have shell access. > Finally, as for the benefit of "significantly reducing the load on > your AV," it seems to me that this is a false economy. The point of > the scanner is to detect viruses. What's the cost if one gets > through the back door channel? Certainly it is, which is why I still use it, but if the MTA can reject before even bring the AV into the picture, why not? Especially given that the virus scanner I use ClamAV + Qmail-Scanner does not exactly have the greatest track record with security (frequent releases, buggy perl programming) whereas the MTA (qmail) is extremely secure. I still use the virus scanner, and based on this conversation I have added additional scanning to all uploaded files in my "back door channel". > Can you explain more why this is a good idea? I'd really like to > understand. HTH. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Apr 9 11:21:45 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: What about CLI GUIs? In-Reply-To: (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) References: Message-ID: <200404091621.i39GLjC25159@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >John T. Hoffoss writes: >> On that topic, and just out of weird curiosity, has anyone seen an ascii >> gui to a commandline interface? I'm picturing something with gkrellm-like >> info on the right, some other system info or something on the bottom, and >> the rest of the screen just a plain old command line, all with no X. >> >> Not that this would be extremely useful, but would be interesting to play >> with for a few minutes. I suppose it could be useful over ssh sessions or >> something if you don't need live remote monitoring info on your servers. Munir Nassar wrote: >using screen you can partition your terminal in any number of ways. What you >want can be done. GNU Emacs can partition a terminal (window) in a wide variety of ways and functions within each such partition. For GNU Emacs to be used as a strict ASCII GUI, it would started with the -nw (No X11 windows) option. Some people do everything within emacs and may even make it their default shell. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Apr 9 11:47:51 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <001901c41e47$f2909750$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040409075513.0000624b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <001901c41e47$f2909750$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040409114751.000025b6@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:33:03 -0500 "Matt Murphy" wrote: > Way to be responsive to the needs of your users. Are you an > enabler in your company, or someone that people have to get through > to get their work done? Think about that the next time you don't get > promoted. You can be plenty safe without disallowing executable > files, and TRAINING (yes that means actually talking to users) is a > big part of that. Ok, I seemed to have painted myself into a corner. First off, the online upload/download area was demanded by my users because at the time the MTA couldn't handle the absolutely huge attachments these users were trying to send as attachments. They work at printing companies where 50-100 MB files are the norm. I wasn't the email admin for this system, nor did I want that job, so I built an online app to upload these huge attachments, with progress bars which made them happy. I would call that an enabling application. People started using this thing for transfering large files, executable files, whatever, instead of sending them as email attachments. When we switched servers and MTAs we thought about rejecting Windows executable content, we talked with our users and since they rarely used these files and there was an alternative way to transfer these files, they did not feel we were taking anything away. Most hopefully don't realize anything is different. If I were a full-time sysadmin for a large corporation, would I do this? Hell no. I run a very small server in comparison to what you probably work on, nor is it my full time job. My users are good folks who are not web developers or programmers, their email consists of pictures, mp3's and plain text, NOT executable content. Any executable content my users send or receive in an email has a 99.9% likeliness of being a virus. Unfortunately the server as it was before I inherited it was a security nightmare and often the target of numerous attacks and relay attempts, one of the biggest complaints from this user base was to fix this. Since implementing these policies I have not received one complaint from my user base about taking away anything and have been told things work much better. I know my user base, you know yours, I would expect you to be responsive to the needs or YOUR users, meanwhile I'll be responsive to mine. My solution, though certainly flawed, works for my system. I'm sorry if my OP was read as: "Do this, it'll work for everyone." > The day the latest big worm hit I was out for drinks with some > of my sysadmin friends, and they were all griping about how they > spent all day cleaning up viruses. That was the first I'd heard of > it, and we never got hit. Why is that? I have good security, good > A/V, good policies, and users that know what to look for, and know > that if they're the one that lets a virus through, it's their ass. I too believe that my policies are good, for my situation, I still use my AV, but only on what makes it past the MTA. I treat email security very similar to how I treat a firewall. Drop everything but what your users need. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 9 12:26:24 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <20040409114751.000025b6@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040409075513.0000624b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <001901c41e47$f2909750$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <20040409114751.000025b6@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040409172624.GJ10666@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 9 12:55:34 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive Message-ID: <000b01c41e5b$dc4b0de0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> I had a motherboard die on a server and need to mount the drive on a working box. Whenever I add it in to the working box it will boot instead of the drive that is supposed to. Any idea what I have to do get a proper boot up ? I know it is seeing the label and that is causing the problem, but not sure what can be done about it. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Fri Apr 9 13:22:13 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive In-Reply-To: <000b01c41e5b$dc4b0de0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: Switch the order of drives in BIOS, swap the master/slave jumpers or swap the IDE ports for the cables. (I'm assuming it's IDE. If it's SCSI, change the boot order in the SCSI BIOS.) Then you'll have to mount each partition using the mount command. Something like this should work: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/oldetc ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:56 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive I had a motherboard die on a server and need to mount the drive on a working box. Whenever I add it in to the working box it will boot instead of the drive that is supposed to. Any idea what I have to do get a proper boot up ? I know it is seeing the label and that is causing the problem, but not sure what can be done about it. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Apr 9 13:19:07 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive Message-ID: Modify /etc/fstab on the box you wish to mount the disk on temporarily, commenting out the line similar to the first and inserting the second line: #LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 using the location of your root mount partition in place of "/dev/hda1". Adjust as necessary for partitions other than "/". Just make sure to change it back when you are done so you can easily update your kernel with rpm. >>> admin@lctn.org 04/09/04 12:55PM >>> I had a motherboard die on a server and need to mount the drive on a working box. Whenever I add it in to the working box it will boot instead of the drive that is supposed to. Any idea what I have to do get a proper boot up ? I know it is seeing the label and that is causing the problem, but not sure what can be done about it. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Apr 9 11:59:06 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Outlook / Ping Issues for email Message-ID: <000001c41e66$689bb970$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 9 15:25:37 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Outlook / Ping Issues for email In-Reply-To: <000001c41e66$689bb970$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c41e66$689bb970$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <407706C1.8070905@visi.com> Remove the server setup and recreate it. The file that contains the info just got corrupt. Thank BILL for the wonderful connections. Sam. Randy Clarksean wrote: > Client has an WinXP system with Outlook for email. email has been > working fine. All of a sudden it stops working, indicating it can not > fine the pop/smtp servers. Rest of internet works great. > > I get called in to look at the issue. I go into Outlook, check > settings - they are fine. I use the "test connection" button within > Outlook setup window ... it issues several warnings, says it can find > the servers, but can not connect to them. Hmmm ... I say. I pull up > a command window and try pinging the mail server - says it can not > find it. I try pinging the mail server by physical IP address - works > fine. I ping yahoo, google, etc. without a problem from the command line. > > I call help desk for ISP ... they are friendly and willing to help (an > unusual occurrence in this part of the state mind you) ... they can > ping the mail server by name w/out a problem. They suggest an issue > with Norton Anti-virus. I disable it, reboot, still the same thing. > > I tried putting the fixed IP address into the mail setup window ... > then I hit the test connection button and it works fine - when it > tests the connection. I say hmmm ... hop out of there and hit > "send/receive" .... the same error occurs - it won't find the server > and connect. > > So ... DNS is working. I can ping the mail server by IP, the "test > connection" works with a fixed IP, but ... the send/receive will still > not work. > > Anyone else out there run into this odd problem? Thanks in advance > for your suggestions. > > Randy > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Fri Apr 9 13:25:42 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4076EAA6.3030206@clavdivs.org> Gee, I'm glad I don't work on a system you administer Josh, 'cause I'd be wasting too much time trying to get around the restrictions you set to get my work done. Do you have so much free time that when your support dept needs to get a ZIPped file from a customer containing a log or workbook, or some other debugging attachment that you can set up a one-time only download area? And then talk Mr. MBA into trying to send it with an SSL client? My tax accountant just e-mailed my return as a ZIP file of .pdf images for my approval. She knows how to her tax prep software and e-mail, and I can't even get her to use PGP because "It's too complicated". She's NOT going to touch a DOSBOX on her machine. My company's HQ is in Omaha, NE and I'm in the TC. The HR department sent me an itemized list of payments my cafeteria 125 monies went to via an XCel spreadsheet attached to an e-mail. HR drones can't handle SSL or FTP. So, you "solution" while it may work for your company, is not a good generalized solution. YMMV Mike Bird (Speaking for himself) tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:49:32 -0500 > From: Josh Trutwin > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: <20040409104932.00005840@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:05:04 -0500 > Jeff Nelson wrote: > > >>I don't get this reasoning. Yes, executables carry viruses. But how >>is it a good idea to tell people to use a back door communication >>mechanism that subverts the virus scanners? How do you ensure that >>the ftp dropbox doesn't contain infected files? > > > Not FTP, but very controlled upload/download over SSL with > authentication that I control. And no, I cannot guaruntee that > they don't upload or download an infected file, that would be the > job of their client scanner, or I could easily add scanning of > uploaded files with ClamAV as well, which I probably should now > that I think of it. So actually I could guaruntee that they don't > upload infected files. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Fri Apr 9 15:17:17 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Outlook / Ping Issues for email In-Reply-To: <000001c41e66$689bb970$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Apr 9 15:29:01 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive In-Reply-To: <000b01c41e5b$dc4b0de0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> (admin@lctn.org) References: <000b01c41e5b$dc4b0de0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <200404092029.i39KT1X27922@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Raymond Norton wrote: >I had a motherboard die on a server and need to mount the drive on a working >box. Whenever I add it in to the working box it will boot instead of the >drive that is supposed to. Any idea what I have to do get a proper boot up ? >I know it is seeing the label and that is causing the problem, but not sure >what can be done about it. When the bootloader (probably lilo or grub if x86 arch) prompt appears, simply add the kernel parameter root=/dev/. However, this will still load the kernel from the drive that was moved and it could be incompatible with the original root filesystem (/lib/modules in particular). The grub command line can fix this by loading the kernel from the original boot partition. Booting from a live CD should always work fine, especially for disk recovery. Daniel Rysztak wrote: >Switch the order of drives in BIOS, swap the master/slave jumpers or swap >the IDE ports for the cables. (I'm assuming it's IDE. If it's SCSI, change >the boot order in the SCSI BIOS.) These are excellent (and very terse) suggestions by Daniel. (I would use ATA rather than the generic acronym IDE, though.) The unqualified use of the acronym BIOS of course refers to the motherboard BIOS. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Apr 9 15:59:03 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <4076EAA6.3030206@clavdivs.org> References: <4076EAA6.3030206@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: <20040409155903.00000e36@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:25:42 -0500 "Michael J. Bird" wrote: > Gee, I'm glad I don't work on a system you administer Josh, 'cause > I'd be wasting too much time trying to get around the restrictions > you set to get my work done. Do you have so much free time that > when your support dept needs to get a ZIPped file from a customer > containing a log or workbook, or some other debugging attachment > that you can set up a one-time only download area? And then talk > Mr. MBA into trying to send it with an SSL client? > > My tax accountant just e-mailed my return as a ZIP file of .pdf > images for my approval. She knows how to her tax prep software and > e-mail, and I can't even get her to use PGP because "It's too > complicated". She's NOT going to touch a DOSBOX on her machine. Most of my users seriously don't understand what a Zip file even is. Images/Pictures, MP3's and text is 99% of their email content as stated in my last message. Mostly Mac based as well, so I don't block stuffit (.SIT) files. If I tell someone to go to https://www.mytransferarea.com/ and type in their email address and password, they understand that just fine. I converse daily with many of my users and not one has said this has stopped them from completing their work. If that ever changes, well so must my policy. > My company's HQ is in Omaha, NE and I'm in the TC. The HR department > > sent me an itemized list of payments my cafeteria 125 monies went to > via an XCel spreadsheet attached to an e-mail. HR drones can't > handle SSL or FTP. > > So, you "solution" while it may work for your company, is not a good > generalized solution. > > YMMV Executable content and Zip archives only, certainly not .doc, .xls, etc. My milage does vary, as stated in my last post, I don't expect that this would work for other organizations. I wish I had reworded my OP. When I start providing hosting for accountants and more saavy Windows users, I'd certainly lift this restriction for them. I'm honestly surprised at all the comotion this has caused, I apologize if I've offended anyone, I still feel it's an acceptable solution under the right circumstances. But I also see how this is unacceptable for others. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Apr 9 16:22:31 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive Message-ID: Raymond, what is the output of 'df'? What is the output of 'cat /etc/fstab'? What partitions are on the disk from the defunct machine and what are the labels on them? What Linux distribution are you using in the recovery box? Which one was on the defunct box? If the problem is just two partitions having the same label text, I don't think changing the bootloader, changing BIOS settings, or swapping cables around will solve the problem. But we shall see... >>> kfuchs@winternet.com 04/09/04 03:29PM >>> Raymond Norton wrote: >I had a motherboard die on a server and need to mount the drive on a working >box. Whenever I add it in to the working box it will boot instead of the >drive that is supposed to. Any idea what I have to do get a proper boot up ? >I know it is seeing the label and that is causing the problem, but not sure >what can be done about it. When the bootloader (probably lilo or grub if x86 arch) prompt appears, simply add the kernel parameter root=/dev/. However, this will still load the kernel from the drive that was moved and it could be incompatible with the original root filesystem (/lib/modules in particular). The grub command line can fix this by loading the kernel from the original boot partition. Booting from a live CD should always work fine, especially for disk recovery. Daniel Rysztak wrote: >Switch the order of drives in BIOS, swap the master/slave jumpers or swap >the IDE ports for the cables. (I'm assuming it's IDE. If it's SCSI, change >the boot order in the SCSI BIOS.) These are excellent (and very terse) suggestions by Daniel. (I would use ATA rather than the generic acronym IDE, though.) The unqualified use of the acronym BIOS of course refers to the motherboard BIOS. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Apr 9 16:19:24 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Message-ID: >>> josh@trutwins.homeip.net 04/09/04 03:59PM >>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:25:42 -0500 "Michael J. Bird" wrote: > Gee, I'm glad I don't work on a system you administer Josh, 'cause > I'd be wasting too much time trying to get around the restrictions > you set to get my work done. ... > So, you "solution" while it may work for your company, is not a good > generalized solution. My milage does vary, as stated in my last post, I don't expect that this would work for other organizations. I wish I had reworded my OP. When I start providing hosting for accountants and more saavy Windows users, I'd certainly lift this restriction for them. I'm honestly surprised at all the comotion this has caused, I apologize if I've offended anyone, I still feel it's an acceptable solution under the right circumstances. But I also see how this is unacceptable for others. ... If a person can be taught to attach a file to an email, they can most certainly be taught to upload a file using a web interface. It is not a big deal, and the apology is unnecessary, at least from you Josh. Some others could be a little less "pissy" in their responses, however. :-/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Apr 9 17:09:28 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Outlook / Ping Issues for email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Apr 9 17:21:01 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Outlook / Ping Issues for email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081549261.1125.11.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:09, Chuck Cole wrote: > Sam's answer matches my experience: the dial-up-networking thing just > crashes occasionally when adjusting something unrelated. Same here. I've had that happen too. outlook is brain damaged. It needs to relearn how to walk and talk from scratch. _IF_ that doesn't fix it then try connecting manually to the server's with telnet like Danial suggested to rule out the isp locking out your network from connecting to their mail servers. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Fri Apr 9 17:43:41 2004 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] module autoloading problems with 2.6 Message-ID: <1081550621.1283.197.camel@ryan.oertel.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Fri Apr 9 18:40:46 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software References: <001901c41e47$f2909750$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <002b01c41e8c$15096b10$0200a8c0@moose> Matt Murphy said: > Way to be responsive to the needs of your users. Are you an > enabler in your company, or someone that people have to get through to > get their work done? Think about that the next time you don't get > promoted. You can be plenty safe without disallowing executable files, > and TRAINING (yes that means actually talking to users) is a big part of > that. > > The day the latest big worm hit I was out for drinks with some > of my sysadmin friends, and they were all griping about how they spent > all day cleaning up viruses. That was the first I'd heard of it, and we > never got hit. Why is that? I have good security, good A/V, good > policies, and users that know what to look for, and know that if they're > the one that lets a virus through, it's their ass. > > Matt I've found that the majority of users have no need of executable files, .bat, .exe, .scr etc. They aren't the ones mailing them, they are all the results of the various virii floating around. Zip files are a different matter, there are a lot of reasons that a user would get a zip. That being said, I had a couple of users get zapped by the first round of virii that came out using zip files, prior to the various AV vendors posting signatures, and I did drop zip files for a few at the mail server for a few days. Maybe its reactionary, maybe its not foolproof, but I don't care, it has served to stop more than a one virus in the period of time between when the virus hits and when signatures come out. For that matter, the whole idea behind anti-virus technologies today is reactionary and not fool proof. I have had virtually zero complaints about executable attachments being blocked, though it was sticky for those few days I blocked zip files. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 9 19:25:00 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] module autoloading problems with 2.6 In-Reply-To: <1081550621.1283.197.camel@ryan.oertel.com> References: <1081550621.1283.197.camel@ryan.oertel.com> Message-ID: <20040410002500.GA4287@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 05:43:41PM -0500, Ryan Oertel wrote: > I've recently upgraded my RH9.0 system to the 2.6.0 kernel. I've > managed to work out most of the kinks with the exception of kernel > module auto-loading. The modules load fine by hand (insmod/modprobe), > but they don't load automatically anymore. I've compiled in kmod or That's funny. I have the problem that modules are now autoloading too early. I had eth0 aliased to natsemi and eth1 aliased to e100, but now e100 is autoloaded on me first and natsemi after that. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 9 21:04:25 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting linux drive References: Message-ID: <006901c41ea0$2958c2a0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> > Raymond, what is the output of 'df'? > What is the output of 'cat /etc/fstab'? > What partitions are on the disk from the > defunct machine and what are the > labels on them? What Linux distribution > are you using in the recovery box? Which > one was on the defunct box? > > If the problem is just two partitions > having the same label text, I don't > think changing the bootloader, > changing BIOS settings, or swapping > cables around will solve the problem. > But we shall see... I couldn't get things to work properly when my normal boot drive was hda and the drive from the other server was hdd. I finaly moved the second drive to hdb, and I was able to boot as normal, then mount hdb2 to /old_server. I am now able to retreive my data. Thanks for the response:) Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Apr 10 14:41:15 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404101941.i3AJfFc29705@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Dell PowerEdge 2200 dual p2 300 linux server This is a Dell PowerEdge 2200 dual pentium 2 300mhz server with 512mb of RAM (I think it's EDO but not sure), built in video, an older 3com NIC, some sort of remote server management utility card (modem? not sure) on-board SCSI (adaptec 78xx), SCSI CD-ROM, a SCSI 4gb Seagate Cheetah hard drive, floppy, standard parallel/serial etc. Comes with manual. BIOS is updated to latest version. think it was made around 1998 or so, so it's sort of old but it works great, never crashes/overheats or anything. i installed Mandrake 10.0 on it just to see if I could, so theoretically it should run right out of the box. picture is just for illustration, no monitor/mouse/keyboard included. no warranty. no known defects except paint on case is slightly worn and key for removeable hard drive is missing (you can still remove it though) I'd like $75 for it, you pick up. email if you have any other questions. thanks! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Apr 10 14:58:46 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404101958.i3AJwkm29868@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: working NeXTstation/kbd/mouse/monitor Yup. Always wanted one, didn't ya? This is an authentic NeXTStation in perfect working order. 68040 at 25mhz (I believe) 20MB RAM, and a whopping 100MB hard disk. Floppy drive on the side is apparently 2.88MB. See picture for more detailed specs. No warranty/manual included. But it boots up, and seems to work just fine. Comes with original 17" hi-res grayscale monitor with sound connections, network connections (10mbit), keyboard with power button, and mouse. System 3.2 installed, along with various default apps. No original media with it, although I bet if you look hard enough you can find it somewhere. I'd like $100. You come and pick up. Email with any questions. Thanks! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Sun Apr 11 09:09:48 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom search engine Message-ID: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Sunday, April 11, 2004 @ 9:07:23 AM Central Standard Time Hi All. I am looking at the making of a search engine, which accesses many other search engines, and then filters them. This way I can eliminate porn and make it safe for children. Does anyone know if their is anything out their that can do this, or do I need to make the search engine search from a proxy that is filtered. Any Thought would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sun Apr 11 11:14:35 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom search engine In-Reply-To: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040411110439.L65438@unix18.sihope.com> Are you building the search engine because you want to combine results from multiple public search engines, or to filter adult content in the results, or both? Google has a SafeSearch feature that works pretty well. It's set in preferences or as a flag on the URL line. You could simply wget the google search URL (with the flag set) and parse the results. Depending on the scope of what you're doing, Google has an API for querying their search engine from your own applications, and you can buy queries (to be on the legit side) if you're using this. I only recommend this because it's a much easier solution than trying to build your own content filter. Remember, most porn sites are not operated by people that have high moral standards. They go to great lenghts to get around content filters. It's best to use the power of Google's SafeSearch, than to play Whack-a-mole with the sites that make it past your filter. And you didn't go into great detail on what you're doing, but there are potential liability issues if you are going to provide a search engine that's safe for children. You might be better off going the route Yahoo! started with and manage the database by hand. This gives you complete control over what goes into your database, at the expense of having to maintain it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, B_o_B wrote: > Sunday, April 11, 2004 @ 9:07:23 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I am looking at the making of a search engine, which accesses many other search engines, and then filters them. This way I can eliminate porn and make it safe for children. > > Does anyone know if their is anything out their that can do this, or > do I need to make the search engine search from a proxy that is > filtered. > > Any Thought would be greatly appreciated. > > Many Thanks, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Sun Apr 11 14:57:11 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compiling problems Message-ID: <200404111457.11163.extrinsik@earthlink.net> [hopefully I am doing this right, I have never used a mailing list] Hello, This is my first attempt to (re)compile the kernel. I am running slackware 9.1 and the 2.4.22 kernel. I made adjustments to optimize it (take out modules I don't need, etc.). I did make dep, and make clean in the /usr/src/linux/ dir without any problems. But, when I attempt to do "make bzImage" I get make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22/arch/i386/math-emu' ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux-2.4.22/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext arch/ i386 /kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o init/ do_m ounts.o \ --start-group \ arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/f s.o ipc/ipc.o \ drivers/char/char.o drivers/block/block.o drivers/misc/misc.o drivers/n et/net.o drivers/net/fc/fc.o drivers/net/tokenring/tr.o drivers/net/wan/wan.o dr ivers/ide/idedriver.o drivers/cdrom/driver.o drivers/pci/driver.o drivers/net/ wi reless/wireless_net.o drivers/video/video.o drivers/media/media.o drivers/md/ mdd ev.o crypto/crypto.o arch/i386/math-emu/math.o \ net/network.o \ /usr/src/linux-2.4.22/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22/lib/ lib. a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22/arch/i386/lib/lib.a \ --end-group \ -o vmlinux kernel/kernel.o(.data+0x91c): undefined reference to `sg_big_buff' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59d5): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_pdc4030' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59e6): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_ali14xx' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59ed): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_umc8672' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59f4): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_dtc2278' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a02): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_ht6560b' drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a09): In function `ide_setup': : undefined reference to `init_qd65xx' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 Like I said, this is my first time trying to compile the kernel. Am I missing something/doing something wrong? I am following the kernel-HOWTO for directions. Thanks for any help, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sun Apr 11 16:36:41 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus Software In-Reply-To: <002b01c41e8c$15096b10$0200a8c0@moose> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Josh Welch wrote: > Matt Murphy said: > > Way to be responsive to the needs of your users. Are you an > > enabler in your company, or someone that people have to get through to > > get their work done? Think about that the next time you don't get > > promoted. You can be plenty safe without disallowing executable files, > > and TRAINING (yes that means actually talking to users) is a big part of > > that. > > > I've found that the majority of users have no need of executable files, > .bat, .exe, .scr etc. They aren't the ones mailing them, they are all the > results of the various virii floating around. Zip files are a different > matter, there are a lot of reasons that a user would get a zip. That being You can also be really strict in this area if you have buy in from your users. If the folks in the trences understand the risks vs. rewards for passing executables via e-mail in the current environment they are generally quite willing to use ftp or http transfers for the exceptional cases. OTOH, if your users already have bad habits acquired in gentler times you have a tougher job ahead of you keeping ahead of them. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Apr 11 19:15:23 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compiling problems In-Reply-To: <200404111457.11163.extrinsik@earthlink.net> References: <200404111457.11163.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4079DF9B.9090706@lorenburlingame.com> Todd Mueller wrote: > kernel/kernel.o(.data+0x91c): undefined reference to `sg_big_buff' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59d5): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_pdc4030' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59e6): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_ali14xx' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59ed): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_umc8672' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59f4): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_dtc2278' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a02): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_ht6560b' > drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a09): In function `ide_setup': > : undefined reference to `init_qd65xx' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > *disclaimer* I am by no means an expert and may be wrong. It looks like the SCSI Generic driver is choking on the newer ide chipset support. I would recomment going into the kernel configuration under "IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block Devices" and look for where it says "Other IDE Chipset support" and only select what you need. I doubt that you even need that selected at all since your chipset is very likely supported by one of the drivers above (most common are Intel PIIXn [which I believe is even slected by default] and VIA82CXXX). If you do not know what chipset you are running and have the pciutils package installed, you can type: lspci at the command line and get a list of your pci devices, including your north and south bridge chipsets. You can also look at the north bridge and see what is printed on the chip itself if that is easier. Hope that helps. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Apr 12 09:23:57 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compiling problems In-Reply-To: <4079DF9B.9090706@lorenburlingame.com> References: <200404111457.11163.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <4079DF9B.9090706@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <08C7DC54-8C8D-11D8-AA7C-000A95726308@us-admins.com> On Apr 11, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > Todd Mueller wrote: > >> kernel/kernel.o(.data+0x91c): undefined reference to `sg_big_buff' This looks to me like perhaps you left out scsi generic support, and for some reason your ide driver believes you need it. >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59d5): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_pdc4030' >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59e6): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_ali14xx' >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59ed): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_umc8672' >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x59f4): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_dtc2278' >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a02): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_ht6560b' >> drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text.init+0x5a09): In function `ide_setup': >> : undefined reference to `init_qd65xx' >> make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > *disclaimer* I am by no means an expert and may be wrong. > > It looks like the SCSI Generic driver is choking on the newer ide > chipset support. > > I would recomment going into the kernel configuration under "IDE, ATA > and ATAPI Block Devices" and look for where it says "Other IDE Chipset > support" and only select what you need. > > I doubt that you even need that selected at all since your chipset is > very likely supported by one of the drivers above (most common are > Intel PIIXn [which I believe is even slected by default] and > VIA82CXXX). > > If you do not know what chipset you are running and have the pciutils > package installed, you can type: > > lspci > > at the command line and get a list of your pci devices, including your > north and south bridge chipsets. > > You can also look at the north bridge and see what is printed on the > chip itself if that is easier. > > Hope that helps. > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 12 10:01:34 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian under Vmware 4.5.1 In-Reply-To: <001301c41be2$83a7d630$0200a8c0@homer>; from mpartyka@mn.rr.com on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:21:55AM -0500 References: <001301c41be2$83a7d630$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <20040412100134.A29641@real-time.com> On 04/06 09:21 , Mike Partyka wrote: > In trying to setup the vmware tools it needs the kernel source to > setup the module. I did the following: truth be told, I don't bother with the vmware tools for linux on vmware. it runs pretty efficiently as it is (actually idles the CPU properly, unlike most OSes), and since I don't use X on them, there's no need for the feature where moving your cursor to the edge of the vmware window causes it to release the cursor to the host display. if you're running vmware on Windows, and want to use the Linux GUI, I suppose that's a different matter. I'd still probably set up XFree86 on Windows, and do remote X displays to the windows desktop. (Use Xnest if you want to constrain them to a particular area). Then again, I've never tried that (X on win32), so I can't say how well it works. :) Other people on this list seem to have shown some nifty screenshots tho. HTH, YMMV. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Apr 12 12:50:37 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404121750.i3CHobL21260@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Guru Labs Red Hat Enterprise Linux Training Course The training company that I work for, Argenta Technologies Group (formerly AISG), is an Authorized Sun Education Center, but they have allowed me to host a Guru Labs Enterprise Linux System Administration ("GL250") course on May 24th at our Brooklyn Center location for $1995 per seat ($1795 for TCLUG Members). For those not familiar with Guru Labs, they are recognized industry wide as Linux training experts and have contributed to many of the existing learning paths and certifications from Red Hat and SUSE. The 5 day/40 hour course that I'm hosting and attending will feature RHEL 3.0/Fedora Core 1 and an expert instructor directly from Guru Labs in Utah (http://www.gurulabs.com) I'm going to cap the class at 12 to maximize instructor time with each student and already have 6 seats reserved for friends so please let me know as soon as possible if you're interested in attending. Please contact me at work if you have any questions of if you'd like to register for this class. Thanks! -- Devin Saveall Knowledge Services Argenta Technologies Group Devin.Saveall@ArgentaTech.COM 763-503-1103 x203 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Mon Apr 12 14:13:06 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plone users Message-ID: <407AEA42.60505@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Is anybody using plone? I've got some logistical questions (and technical ones) and I wanted to know if I can bounce ideas off of someone. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Apr 12 15:07:44 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plone users In-Reply-To: <407AEA42.60505@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <407AEA42.60505@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040412150744.00003a01@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:13:06 -0500 Dave Dash wrote: > Is anybody using plone? I've got some logistical questions (and > technical ones) and I wanted to know if I can bounce ideas off of > someone. I have used it, though not extensively. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Apr 12 15:36:08 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plone users In-Reply-To: <407AEA42.60505@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <407AEA42.60505@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <64024.63.143.93.2.1081802168.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> > Is anybody using plone? I've got some logistical questions (and > technical ones) and I wanted to know if I can bounce ideas off of someone. First things first, you might want to send this request to the Twin Cities Zope/Python User Group list. That said, fire away. I'm pretty well versed in most things Plone. Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Mon Apr 12 16:11:23 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compiling problems In-Reply-To: <08C7DC54-8C8D-11D8-AA7C-000A95726308@us-admins.com> References: <200404111457.11163.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <4079DF9B.9090706@lorenburlingame.com> <08C7DC54-8C8D-11D8-AA7C-000A95726308@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200404121611.23669.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Thanks for responding. I believe I figured out the problem. I took too much out at one time. And probably took some stuff I needed. I reverted to the default .config and everything compiled fine. I'm going to upgrade the kernel before I start playing around with it agian. Thanks agian, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 12 16:59:57 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: Beermeeting this friday at 6pm! Pizza Luce in downtown Minneapolis. The weather is nice and warm out, so nobody can complain about it being too cold! and remember, you can make beermeeting suggestions, just email me. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 12 17:09:56 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? Message-ID: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 12 16:59:57 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: Beermeeting this friday at 6pm! Pizza Luce in downtown Minneapolis. The weather is nice and warm out, so nobody can complain about it being too cold! and remember, you can make beermeeting suggestions, just email me. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 12 17:09:57 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX Message-ID: I can't belived I missed this announcment, but back in Janurary Microsoft droped the $99 license fee for Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 and is offering it as a "free" (MS Passport required) download. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp If you need a NFS or NIS (intigrated with Active Directory...) on your Windows Server... MS bashing aside, this is going to save my company money. My UNIX systems are starting to hurt for space, and there is plenty of room on the windows servers... I could have justified the old $99 license just on that...but now it's free and I don't have to. Yay and stuffs... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 12 17:44:59 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > It was good advice. I found an identical drive on eBay and swapped the > boards today. I put the drive in a computer as slave and fired up. > The D drive shows in the My Computer box and when I mouse on it the > names of the main folders (Windows, My Documents) show up. But when I > click on a folder, it will not open and I get the report that Drive D > needs formatting and would I like to do it now. Have you tried accessing the data from Linux? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Apr 12 18:10:43 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <007201c420e3$64eaf000$0300000a@net.tsinks> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 12 19:07:58 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <3595.68.112.123.230.1081814878.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > It was good advice. I found an identical drive on eBay and swapped the > boards today. I put the drive in a computer as slave and fired up. The D > drive shows in the My Computer box and when I mouse on it the names of the > main folders (Windows, My Documents) show up. But when I click on a > folder, it will not open and I get the report that Drive D needs > formatting and would I like to do it now. A couple of things. First, I'd do a dd of the disk and save it to an image file. Assuming the drive is physically OK, you can use something like TCT to collect the data you need. If you want to attempt software recocery, go to ontrack.com and download their recovery software. http://www.ontrack.com/easyrecoverydatarecovery/ The free download version will give you an answer as to whether or not the files are OK. The limited registered version is $89, the unlimited version is $200. The limit is that you can only recover 25 files, then you have to start the software over. To recover many files would be time consuming. Perhaps your data is worth that much to you. If not, e-mail me tomorrow and ask for my copy of DriveRescue. Same results as Ontrack, but it's free. The software is abandonware, I just happen to have a copy. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon Apr 12 21:02:36 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Apr 12 21:00:40 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081821640.16554.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 13 01:51:46 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom search engine References: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040411110439.L65438@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <001d01c42123$c9bb16f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Adam Maloney writes: > Depending on the scope of what you're doing, Google has an API for > querying their search engine from your own applications, and you can > buy queries (to be on the legit side) if you're using this. Not true, according to their API FAQ. If Google is indeed selling commercial access to their API, please let me know. > You might be better off going the route Yahoo! started with and > manage the database by hand. This gives you complete control > over what goes into your database, at the expense > of having to maintain it. http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 13 03:19:56 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: <1081821640.16554.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1081821640.16554.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040413081956.GH17675@tcfn.poptix.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 13 07:22:42 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081858962.22822.1.camel@angband> Well my down load just finished... Maybe a competition (at several levels) to see what we can do with this. Sam. On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 17:09, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I can't belived I missed this announcment, but back in Janurary Microsoft > droped the $99 license fee for Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 and is > offering it as a "free" (MS Passport required) download. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp > > If you need a NFS or NIS (intigrated with Active Directory...) on your > Windows Server... > > MS bashing aside, this is going to save my company money. My UNIX systems > are starting to hurt for space, and there is plenty of room on the windows > servers... I could have justified the old $99 license just on that...but > now it's free and I don't have to. Yay and stuffs... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Apr 13 07:19:34 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: <20040413081956.GH17675@tcfn.poptix.net> References: <1081821640.16554.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040413081956.GH17675@tcfn.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1081858774.18112.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 13 07:45:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom search engine In-Reply-To: <001d01c42123$c9bb16f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040411110439.L65438@unix18.sihope.com> <001d01c42123$c9bb16f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1081860325.14526.4.camel@unixws1> Okay, let me rephrase. The API itself is free, but my understanding was that you have to buy a license if you're going to do more than some small number of queries/day using the API (rather than the website). If you're building your own search engine, it's probably going to do more than "a small number" of queries/day. And checking their site: "To access the Google Web APIs service, you must create a Google Account and obtain a license key. Your Google Account and license key entitle you to 1,000 automated queries per day." > Not true, according to their API FAQ. If Google is indeed selling > commercial access to their API, please let me know. > > > You might be better off going the route Yahoo! started with and > > manage the database by hand. This gives you complete control > > over what goes into your database, at the expense > > of having to maintain it. > > http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Apr 13 08:17:59 2004 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Embedded conference Message-ID: <407BE887.2050905@stonel.com> Received an email invite to this http://www.rtecc.com/minneapolis/ Looks like its open to the public, free dinner. A few Linux or Eclipse based sessions listed. Just an FYI for the group. Bob _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 13 08:21:10 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (jason reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407BE946.4080805@mn.rr.com> awesome I love Pizza Luce. nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Beermeeting this friday at 6pm! > > Pizza Luce in downtown Minneapolis. > > The weather is nice and warm out, so nobody can complain about it > being too cold! > > and remember, you can make beermeeting suggestions, just email me. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Apr 13 08:32:58 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c4215b$d5d9ae50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Looks cool, I'll have to check this out... Will this allow us to authenticate linux users on the windows AD? Matt > I can't belived I missed this announcment, but back in > Janurary Microsoft droped the $99 license fee for Windows > Services for UNIX 3.5 and is offering it as a "free" (MS > Passport required) download. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Apr 13 08:55:06 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. Message-ID: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Apr 13 09:24:09 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200404130924.09775.barnabas@knicknack.net> This may be overkill for you, but I've been playing with Asterisk (http://www.asterisk.org or http://www.voip-info.org) lately, which is full PBX (including voicemail) that runs on Linux. I have an interface card to the phone company's line as well as an interface to my analog phones. I also have VoIP service, both inward and outward dialing. Eric On Tuesday 13 April 2004 08:55, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Anyone out there had any experience with using "voicemail" software on > Linux? I am considering using my server for voicemail (save a few $ on the > monthly phone bill) ... I know I can go and Google a bit to see what I find > ... but I am still no farther ahead because I have no "real" feedback on > how it all works. > > Suggestions or experience/stories would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in > advance! > > Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Tue Apr 13 09:53:30 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <200404130924.09775.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> <200404130924.09775.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <407BFEEA.3040609@info9.net> Eric: > This may be overkill for you, but I've been playing with Asterisk > (http://www.asterisk.org or http://www.voip-info.org) lately, which is full > PBX (including voicemail) that runs on Linux. I've been interested in looking into this... I'm wondering if you have considered Bayonne and if so what your rationale is for Asterisk? In other words, have you made a decision for IAX instead of SIP? Do have any experience with Linux SIP Softphones? http://www.iptel.org/info/products/sipphones.php I'm sure you've seen: Open Source Telephony... The Next Big Thing http://www.tmcnet.com/it/0104/0104PO.htm Which interface card do you use? Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 13 09:57:01 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom search engine References: <1009909971.20040411090948@b-o-b.homelinux.com><20040411110439.L65438@unix18.sihope.com><001d01c42123$c9bb16f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1081860325.14526.4.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <004401c42167$93826180$0201a8c0@brinstar> Adam Maloney writes: > Okay, let me rephrase. The API itself is free, but my understanding > was that you have to buy a license if you're going to do more than > some small number of queries/day using the API (rather than the > website). "13. Can I develop commercial applications using Google Web APIs? You can develop any application you want, but you must abide by the Google Web APIs terms of service. One condition is you cannot create a commercial service using Google Web APIs without first obtaining written consent from Google. Another is that you can only create one account for your personal use." "15. What if I want to pay Google for the ability to issue more than 1,000 queries per day? Google is only offering the free beta service at this time. If you would like to see Google develop a commercial service, let us know at api-support@google.com." -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Apr 13 09:59:38 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. (long, rambling) In-Reply-To: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: There are a couple of linux based telephony systems. The most robust that I've seen is a project called Asterisk. http://www.asterisk.org/ It includes a voicemail system that looks very full featured. Note that it does require some specific hardware (trunk cards, FXO cards, FXS cards, etc.) depending on the configuration that you need. They have a comprehensive list of supported hardware. I haven't set one of these up myself yet, but I've been toying with it as a possible project. There would likely be a fairly steep learning curve if you're not already familiar with how PBX and voicemail systems work and the common telecom terminology. Asterisk is a complete linux+commodity hardware PBX system, and may be more than you're looking for. For instance, a single port PCI FXO card is about $100. That lets you take an analog line from the telco and plug it into your linux server. A 4-port PCI FXS card is about $300. That lets you plug 4 analog phones into your linux server. You could then share the 1 analog line from the telco between the 4 analog phones. If you wanted you could have the telco aim 4 numbers at that 1 analog line, and then have seperate extensions for each of the 4 phones off of the FXS card. Note that the design I've detailed above has lots of functional limitiations due to only having a single channel to the telco. For instance, you could conference an outside caller with several of the internal extensions, but you could only have a single outgoing or incoming call at any given time. Also, Qwest likely won't aim multiple extensions (a small number bank) at a single residential service analog line. Of course, you can also buy cards that support ISDN digital phones internally and cards that support T1 or multiple T1 links to the telco. ISDN phones are more expensive than analog sets, and give you a lot more functionality. T1 service is overkill for a home system as I have trouble envisioning a home system that needs to support 23 or 24 simultaneous calls. A 2-port or 4-port FXO card may be reasonable though. With a bit of scripting, Asterisk can even provide some basic IVR functionality. For instance, you could play an announcement when someone calls prompting the caller to press 1 for Bob, 2 for Judy, and 3 for little Timmy, and then route the call to a particular phone connected to the FXS card. You could route calls to voicemail based on time of day. If your family sits down to dinner between 6:00pm and 7:30pm and you don't want to be interrupted, you could route calls to voicemail during those hours. If you're receiving ANI from the telco (functionally, like caller-ID information but technically a bit different), you can route calls based on ANI. Say you want to talk to your brother Ralph any time (even during dinner). You can check ANI on the incoming calls. If it matches Ralph's home phone or cell phone then allow the call. All others get routed to voicemail. Anyway, you can gain a great deal of functionality, but such a project could get expensive. However, if you're a telecom geek it's still a lot cheaper than putting a small Siemens or Lucent (excuse me, Avaya) PBX with Phonemail or an Octel VMX system in your basement. Jeff On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > Anyone out there had any experience with using "voicemail" software on > Linux? I am considering using my server for voicemail (save a few $ on > the monthly phone bill) ... I know I can go and Google a bit to see what > I find ... but I am still no farther ahead because I have no "real" > feedback on how it all works. > > Suggestions or experience/stories would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > in advance! > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Apr 13 10:46:53 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: <407BE946.4080805@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <000201c4216e$8b561450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > awesome I love Pizza Luce. Ditto, maybe I'll actually make it to this one. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 13 11:16:33 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <000601c42172$b01bb250$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 13 11:18:57 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> <007201c420e3$64eaf000$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <001801c42173$063a3490$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 13 11:21:08 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: Message-ID: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 13 11:24:23 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <000f01c420da$e390bf10$24fea8c0@LARRY> <3595.68.112.123.230.1081814878.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <004001c42173$c88791a0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Thanks for the advice and offer. Later today I'll try the free (non-functional) OnTrack disk and see if it can see anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? > It was good advice. I found an identical drive on eBay and swapped the > boards today. I put the drive in a computer as slave and fired up. The D > drive shows in the My Computer box and when I mouse on it the names of the > main folders (Windows, My Documents) show up. But when I click on a > folder, it will not open and I get the report that Drive D needs > formatting and would I like to do it now. A couple of things. First, I'd do a dd of the disk and save it to an image file. Assuming the drive is physically OK, you can use something like TCT to collect the data you need. If you want to attempt software recocery, go to ontrack.com and download their recovery software. http://www.ontrack.com/easyrecoverydatarecovery/ The free download version will give you an answer as to whether or not the files are OK. The limited registered version is $89, the unlimited version is $200. The limit is that you can only recover 25 files, then you have to start the software over. To recover many files would be time consuming. Perhaps your data is worth that much to you. If not, e-mail me tomorrow and ask for my copy of DriveRescue. Same results as Ontrack, but it's free. The software is abandonware, I just happen to have a copy. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Apr 13 11:43:39 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <20040413164339.GB4656@therub.org> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 11:21:08AM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > > Thanks, for the ideas. Knoppix can see it but can't read it. > You really need to do what a previous poster said and dd the disk first thing. The more you monkey around with it, the more damage you may be doing! dd the disk somewehre, then try various utilities to recover files. dd will get every bit that is readable off the disk, and then from there you can monkey around trying to get the files back. Otherwise you're fighting too many factors at a time. dd the disk and then unplug it altogether you may not get too many chances to read the data.. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Tue Apr 13 12:00:19 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 11:21 am, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Thanks, for the ideas. Knoppix can see it but can't read it. > > A W98 boot disk says no fixed disks present when the FDISk command is > used. > > A Ghost boot disk run in DOS sees no valid source drive - would Drive Image If you can see from Knoppix then try pulling an image of the drive and/or partition to a new hard drive using dd_rescue (http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/). I've recovered four hard drives this way, never losing more than a few MB of data. Here's an example how this might work: cd ~ mkdir recover cd recover dd_rescue /dev/hdb ./bad_disk.img ... up to several hours later ... dosfsck -a -V ./bad_disk.img mount ./bad_disk.img /mnt/tmp ls /mnt/tmp -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 13 12:06:04 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: <002101c4215b$d5d9ae50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: | Looks cool, I'll have to check this out... Will this allow us to | authenticate linux users on the windows AD? I know it offers NIS, maybe NIS+. I thinkit also allows for better LDAP support. These are connected to AD, so the answer is yes, but not via native AD. ;) Downside is I think it requires modifaction to the AD Schema, which may not be an option in some orginazitons who like to control who is in Enterprise Admins (a good idea really. Every MCSE with a domain account in Enterprise Administrators would be a scary, scary thing. :) ) As for using a Windows server to serve to UNIX clients...well it will serve my needs. I mostly need to copy some large datastores (os images, software installes, etc.) around, and don't need to worry much about premissions. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Apr 13 13:25:27 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <407BFEEA.3040609@info9.net> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> <200404130924.09775.barnabas@knicknack.net> <407BFEEA.3040609@info9.net> Message-ID: <200404131325.27873.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 09:53, Tom Marble wrote: > Eric: > > This may be overkill for you, but I've been playing with Asterisk > > (http://www.asterisk.org or http://www.voip-info.org) lately, which is > > full PBX (including voicemail) that runs on Linux. > > I've been interested in looking into this... I'm wondering if you have > considered Bayonne and if so what your rationale is for Asterisk? In other > words, have you made a decision for IAX instead of SIP? I did not look at Bayonne. I mostly started playing with Asterisk because it had the most hits on Google. Asterisk can do SIP. I haven't used it outside my network because I have a NATting firewall (one of those Linksys devices). I'd like to put in a Linux based firewall and install an SIP proxy on it, but I'm all out of round tu-its. I have used SIP internally. I guess the reason I like IAX better is because it can cross a NATting firewall with port forwarding on a single (I think) port. > Do have any experience with Linux SIP Softphones? > http://www.iptel.org/info/products/sipphones.php The only SIP softphone I've used is kphone. I've tried a couple others but I couldn't get them to compile. I have also used IAXComm, but it seems to have the drawback that it is limited to one encoding scheme (GSM?). I had not seen that link before. It's bookmarked now. :-) I don't have any expe > I'm sure you've seen: > Open Source Telephony... The Next Big Thing > http://www.tmcnet.com/it/0104/0104PO.htm I believe I have read that. > Which interface card do you use? I use an X100P clone on the telco side. I tried to buy it from Digium (because I believe in supporting the Asterisk effort), but after 5 calls to them in 4 weeks, I gave up. I wish you better luck. On the phone side, I'm trying to get a Sipura SPA-2000 working. > Regards, > > --Tom > HTH, Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Tue Apr 13 13:25:16 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <407C308C.5020506@lorenburlingame.com> Randy Clarksean wrote: > > Anyone out there had any experience with using "voicemail" software on > Linux? I am considering using my server for voicemail (save a few $ on > the monthly phone bill) ... I know I can go and Google a bit to see what > I find ... but I am still no farther ahead because I have no "real" > feedback on how it all works. > > Suggestions or experience/stories would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > in advance! > For small time voicemail I have found that VOCP (http://vocp.sourceforge.net) is really handy. It has a nice set of features and only requires a voice capable modem. I have been using it for a few years and really like it. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Apr 13 13:35:39 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <200404131325.27873.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <001801c42186$1ebb9280$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > had the most hits on Google. Asterisk can do SIP. I haven't > used it outside > my network because I have a NATting firewall (one of those > Linksys devices). Wouldn't port forwarding work just fine for that? (fwd IP phone ports to x.x.x.x internal IP) Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 13 13:53:02 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <200404131325.27873.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> <200404130924.09775.barnabas@knicknack.net> <407BFEEA.3040609@info9.net> <200404131325.27873.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Eric Stanley wrote: > I guess the reason I like IAX better is because it can cross a NATting > firewall with port forwarding on a single (I think) port. IAX is great. Like you said, it traverses NAT nicely, doesn't require a proxy at all, and is totally open. > I use an X100P clone on the telco side. I tried to buy it from Digium > (because I believe in supporting the Asterisk effort), but after 5 calls > to them in 4 weeks, I gave up. I wish you better luck. I also bought a clone card. Not actually using it yet, though. :) > On the phone side, I'm trying to get a Sipura SPA-2000 working. I've got the Sipura working just fine, also have a Pingtel Xpressa working. Eventually want to pick up a Cisco 7960 and a Polycom IP phone, and try them out. You do certainly get more features with a IP hardphone than an analog adapter (such as the ATA/Sipura), but it is also much more expensive. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 13 13:53:27 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <001801c42186$1ebb9280$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001801c42186$1ebb9280$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > Wouldn't port forwarding work just fine for that? (fwd IP phone ports to > x.x.x.x internal IP) Unless you use a proxy, SIP uses a whole pile of ports, and doesn't traverse NAT nicely. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Apr 13 13:58:47 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <001801c42186$1ebb9280$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001801c42186$1ebb9280$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <200404131358.47144.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 13:35, Matt Murphy wrote: > > had the most hits on Google. Asterisk can do SIP. I haven't > > used it outside > > my network because I have a NATting firewall (one of those > > Linksys devices). > > Wouldn't port forwarding work just fine for that? (fwd IP phone > ports to x.x.x.x internal IP) > It think it would, but the range of possible ports is much larger (at least in some cases) and I'd rather not open that large a hole. > Matt > Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Apr 13 14:01:52 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Open source broadcast mailing list manager w/ mail merge Message-ID: <200404131401.52714.barnabas@knicknack.net> I'm looking for a open source mailing list manager that will only be used to send messages from a limited number of people, not everyone subscribed to the list. It also needs to be able to customize each message, ala mail merge. Finally I want the users to be able to unsubscribe themselves, preferably by sending an email message, but I would accept a web interface as well. Can traditional MLMs do this? Is anyone out there using such a product? TIA, Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Apr 13 14:06:07 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <200404131358.47144.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <001c01c4218a$6055b690$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > It think it would, but the range of possible ports is much > larger (at least in > some cases) and I'd rather not open that large a hole. Ahh, I guess that makes sense. (though aren't the same ports open with a proxy? Unless it's a hardware device proxying, and even sometimes if it is, isn't that still the same security-wise?) Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 13 15:19:53 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404132019.i3DKJr607816@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Linksys Router Linksys 4 port cable/DSL router. BEFSR41 ver. 2 $25 Like new, works great. Just upgraded to wireless model. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 13 15:14:04 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404132014.i3DKE4R07331@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: NVIDIA Video card Looking to buy a NVidia ti-4200 or ti-4600 Video card. If you have any sitting around please let me know. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 13 16:25:10 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Services for UNIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081891509.22822.5.camel@angband> Leave the Schema alone, enough said. Sam. On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 12:06, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > | Looks cool, I'll have to check this out... Will this allow us to > | authenticate linux users on the windows AD? > > I know it offers NIS, maybe NIS+. I thinkit also allows for better LDAP > support. These are connected to AD, so the answer is yes, but not via > native AD. ;) Downside is I think it requires modifaction to the AD > Schema, which may not be an option in some orginazitons who like to > control who is in Enterprise Admins (a good idea really. Every MCSE with > a domain account in Enterprise Administrators would be a scary, scary > thing. :) ) > > As for using a Windows server to serve to UNIX clients...well it will > serve my needs. I mostly need to copy some large datastores (os images, > software installes, etc.) around, and don't need to worry much about > premissions. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 13 16:42:25 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. In-Reply-To: <001c01c4218a$6055b690$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001c01c4218a$6055b690$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > Ahh, I guess that makes sense. (though aren't the same ports open with a > proxy? Unless it's a hardware device proxying, and even sometimes if it > is, isn't that still the same security-wise?) No; the proxy works differently. It's a big mess. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 13 18:25:52 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. (long, rambling) In-Reply-To: References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <2179.192.1.1.23.1081898752.squirrel@dccmn.com> Hmmm, I wonder if you could use Distinctive Ringing for multiple inbound numbers. DR generates a different ringing pattern for different phone numbers. If the FXO card can sense the ring pattern, it could be used for DID. > > There are a couple of linux based telephony systems. The most robust > that I've seen is a project called Asterisk. > > http://www.asterisk.org/ > > It includes a voicemail system that looks very full featured. > > Note that it does require some specific hardware (trunk cards, FXO > cards, FXS cards, etc.) depending on the configuration that you need. > They have a comprehensive list of supported hardware. > > I haven't set one of these up myself yet, but I've been toying with it > as a possible project. There would likely be a fairly steep learning > curve if you're not already familiar with how PBX and voicemail systems > work and the common telecom terminology. > > Asterisk is a complete linux+commodity hardware PBX system, and may be > more than you're looking for. > > For instance, a single port PCI FXO card is about $100. That lets you > take an analog line from the telco and plug it into your linux server. > A 4-port PCI FXS card is about $300. That lets you plug 4 analog phones > into your linux server. You could then share the 1 analog line from the > telco between the 4 analog phones. If you wanted you could have the > telco aim 4 numbers at that 1 analog line, and then have seperate > extensions for each of the 4 phones off of the FXS card. > > Note that the design I've detailed above has lots of functional > limitiations due to only having a single channel to the telco. For > instance, you could conference an outside caller with several of the > internal extensions, but you could only have a single outgoing or > incoming call at any given time. Also, Qwest likely won't aim multiple > extensions (a small number bank) at a single residential service analog > line. > > Of course, you can also buy cards that support ISDN digital phones > internally and cards that support T1 or multiple T1 links to the telco. > ISDN phones are more expensive than analog sets, and give you a lot > more functionality. T1 service is overkill for a home system as I have > trouble envisioning a home system that needs to support 23 or 24 > simultaneous calls. A 2-port or 4-port FXO card may be reasonable > though. > > With a bit of scripting, Asterisk can even provide some basic IVR > functionality. For instance, you could play an announcement when > someone calls prompting the caller to press 1 for Bob, 2 for Judy, and 3 > for little Timmy, and then route the call to a particular phone > connected to the FXS card. You could route calls to voicemail based on > time of day. If your family sits down to dinner between 6:00pm and > 7:30pm and you don't want to be interrupted, you could route calls to > voicemail during those hours. > > If you're receiving ANI from the telco (functionally, like caller-ID > information but technically a bit different), you can route calls based > on ANI. Say you want to talk to your brother Ralph any time (even > during dinner). You can check ANI on the incoming calls. If it > matches Ralph's home phone or cell phone then allow the call. All > others get routed to voicemail. > > Anyway, you can gain a great deal of functionality, but such a project > could get expensive. However, if you're a telecom geek it's still a lot > cheaper than putting a small Siemens or Lucent (excuse me, Avaya) PBX > with Phonemail or an Octel VMX system in your basement. > > Jeff > > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > >> >> Anyone out there had any experience with using "voicemail" software on >> Linux? I am considering using my server for voicemail (save a few $ >> on the monthly phone bill) ... I know I can go and Google a bit to see >> what I find ... but I am still no farther ahead because I have no >> "real" feedback on how it all works. >> >> Suggestions or experience/stories would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Randy >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 14 01:20:57 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404140620.i3E6KvQ14256@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IDE to USB 2.0 Generic IDE to USB 2.0 enclosure case. $40 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 14 01:45:20 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404140645.i3E6jKW14374@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Athlon XP 2200 1 Athlon 2200+ XP processor w/ heatsink and fan, has been turned into an MP so the warranty is void $55 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Apr 14 07:08:30 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. (long, rambling) In-Reply-To: <2179.192.1.1.23.1081898752.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <006c01c4215e$f0083a50$0201a8c0@office> <2179.192.1.1.23.1081898752.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200404140708.30851.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:25, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Hmmm, I wonder if you could use Distinctive Ringing for multiple inbound > numbers. DR generates a different ringing pattern for different phone > numbers. If the FXO card can sense the ring pattern, it could be used for > DID. > I know Asterisk can handle DR and I believe most FXO interfaces can also handle it. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Apr 14 08:29:20 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Voicemail software, etc. (long, rambling) Message-ID: Are there any companies in the area that are able to offer an asterisk PBX solution? This should be a lot cheaper solution to proprietary PBX systems. Jeff Rasmussen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Apr 14 09:13:53 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Open source broadcast mailing list manager w/ mail merge In-Reply-To: <20040414130536.GA13191@joshwelch.com> References: <200404131401.52714.barnabas@knicknack.net> <20040414130536.GA13191@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <200404140913.53831.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 08:05, you wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 02:01:52PM -0500, Eric Stanley wrote: > > I'm looking for a open source mailing list manager that will only be used > > to send messages from a limited number of people, not everyone subscribed > > to the list. It also needs to be able to customize each message, ala mail > > merge. Finally I want the users to be able to unsubscribe themselves, > > preferably by sending an email message, but I would accept a web > > interface as well. > > > > Can traditional MLMs do this? Is anyone out there using such a product? > > > > TIA, > > > > Eric > > Currently running Mailman at work, you can specify who is allowed to send > mail without administrative approval, all other mail is held for approval. > However, it looks like mailman will only do subscribe/unsubscribe from the > web interface. Majordomo will do all administrative tasks by email. > The whole mail merge thingy, not sure exactly what you are looking for. > Might be possible to combine some custom scripting to deal with that part > and let the MLM do the rest. HTH, > Josh I'm really looking to do an email newsletter, so (among other things) I'd like to address the addressee in the body of the message (Dear Mary, Dear Joe, etc.) I do want them to be able to unsubscribe themselves if they decide they no longer to receive the newsletter, so a tool that just does email merge (like a contact manager) won't do the trick. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Apr 14 09:08:49 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Asterisk Consultants in MN Message-ID: Someone had asked, but I deleted the original e-mail... Anyway, per google: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+consultants+USA It looks like Atacomm uses Dell servers, and are promoting Asterisk as a VoIP solution. For comparison, Cisco's Call Manager product (Windows 2000 based, uses MS SQL as a back end, also uses MS Exchange as the voicemail storage for their Unity voicemail system, mostly web based administration) uses really (comparatively anyway) expensive HP/Compaq servers re-branded as Cisco. The only reason I'm comparing these is because it looks like they both support Cisco's 79x0 series of VoIP phones, and I'm familiar with Cisco's Call Manager product. Jeff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Apr 14 12:59:00 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for May's meeting Message-ID: (I sent this earlier, but with the wrong address so was witheld, so here it is again.) > All, > > As has been mentioned once or twice, we've tried to set > something up with these guys. Well, it's on the schedule for > them now, and I know about it, so here's an announcment. > > Carel, an engineer with XIOtech, will be in attendance at the > May TCLUG meeting. Carel will speak to how we provide storage > solutions, including clustered storage to the Linux OS. (zero > server footprint, clustered storage, ease of use). He may > also address the use of Linux in our solution. > > XIOtech supports a number of different operating systems with > our storage solutions, Magnitude and Magnitude 3D. Included > are RedHat Linux and SuSE Linux. > > If you know anyone that would be interested in hearing about > SANs, XIOtech and their product line, or how XIOtech has been > involved with Linux, please bring them along! > > I'm not sure how structured this talk will be, but I'm > assuming it will not be too much so. Because of that, if you > would also like to speak on SAN technology and Linux, or know > someone who would, ask them to! > > John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 14 14:23:21 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] looking for sysadmin volunteers (fwd) Message-ID: This was sent to me by a friend of mine who is a student at the U of M. Not so off topic as the firewall they are working on it apparently some sort of mini linux distro. -- Munir Nassar ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: Delivered-To: nassarmu@redconcepts.net Received: from dom.redconcepts.net (dom.redconcepts.net [65.193.17.236]) by ode2joy.redconcepts.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D7B23AAA for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:27:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dom.redconcepts.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1901BA2E28; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:29:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chara.local (gaza.redconcepts.net [65.165.40.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dom.redconcepts.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB8A2E22 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:29:20 -0500 (CDT) To: "nassarmu@redconcepts.net" Subject: looking for sysadmin volunteers From: "Lorry Strother" Organization: University of Minnesota Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.50 (MacPPC, build 1701) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on ode2joy.redconcepts.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_OBLIGATION, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: My name is Lorry Strother and I am a Computer Science graduate student at the University of Minnesota. There is currently a local development team working on a new Linux distribution for firewall/router configuration. I will be aiding this team in the design of the user interface, and I am looking for volunteers to help in this effort. If you are or have been a systems administrator, or are otherwise familiar with firewall configuration, and would be interested in helping with user testing for a firewall configuration interface, please contact me at strother@cs.umn.edu for more information. If you later decide not to do it, there is no obligation to continue. Thanks for your interest and I hope to hear from you soon! Lorry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jth at visi.com Mon Apr 12 11:52:31 2004 From: jth at visi.com (JTH) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for May's meeting Message-ID: <20040412165004.CF2E286F9@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> All, As has been mentioned once or twice, we've tried to set something up with these guys. Well, it's on the schedule for them now, and I know about it, so here's an announcment. Carel, an engineer with XIOtech, will be in attendance at the May TCLUG meeting. Carel will speak to how we provide storage solutions, including clustered storage to the Linux OS. (zero server footprint, clustered storage, ease of use). He may also address the use of Linux in our solution. XIOtech supports a number of different operating systems with our storage solutions, Magnitude and Magnitude 3D. Included are RedHat Linux and SuSE Linux. If you know anyone that would be interested in hearing about SANs, XIOtech and their product line, or how XIOtech has been involved with Linux, please bring them along! I'm not sure how structured this talk will be, but I'm assuming it will not be too much so. Because of that, if you would also like to speak on SAN technology and Linux, or know someone who would, ask them to! John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Apr 14 16:26:59 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for May's meeting In-Reply-To: <20040412165004.CF2E286F9@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: Right on schedule, that wrong message comes through, after I resent it. Sorry about the double post everyone. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of JTH > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:53 AM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for May's meeting > > All, > ... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Apr 14 17:32:45 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone working with Mesh WirelessAP? Message-ID: I read about Mesh wirelessAP on Slashdot and it sounded great. Is anyone working with this? Anyone use this in a business setting? I'm working with a hospital that could use PDA's to send medical information like dictations and scheduling appointments back and forth to a database. I've been very concerned about encryption and implementing a wireless network that could cover the whole hospital. This looked like a system of routing that could answer at least some of this issue. Jeff Rasmussen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Wed Apr 14 19:17:13 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get rid of Google box in Firefox? Message-ID: <20040415001713.GB3999@dandrake.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Wed Apr 14 19:13:15 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't select and paste from ssh session inside screen Message-ID: <20040415001315.GA3999@dandrake.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Wed Apr 14 19:40:01 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get rid of Google box in Firefox?Y In-Reply-To: <20040415001713.GB3999@dandrake.org> References: <20040415001713.GB3999@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <200404141940.01644.extrinsik@earthlink.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 07:17 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > While I'm on the subject of small annoyances... > > Can I get rid of the Google search box in Firefox 0.8? I always just use > a shortcut in the location bar to search Google, and the search box > annoys me when I type in a URL that I haven't typed in before and hit > tab, in a futile attempt to tab-complete it. Hitting tab moves the > cursor to the search box, and shift-tab won't move you backwards. Then > I'm stuck with my half-typed URL and I have to use the mouse (or Ctrl-L) > to get back to it. > > I never use it, so I'd like to get rid of it. Does anyone know how? > > Dan Yeah, right click on the place where the back button and forward button and all those things are. Go down to customize and then from the toolbar select the google search box and drag it to the box with all the other items are. Todd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 14 19:30:47 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404150030.i3F0UlK25523@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 2 22in NEC flat screen monitors I am selling 2 NEC monitors. Both are 22 inch flat screens, but they are two slightly different models: One is 1999 FP1350-1 and it has VGA and BNC support The other is 2000 FP1350-X which is VGA and DVI. Both work with two systems hooked up at the same time with the front switch to go back and forth. One of them, can't remember which, sometimes has some display problems where vertical lines appear on the display. Not sure if that's something that can be fixed or not. $300 for both, you pick up in Maple Grove.. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 14 20:03:13 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] looking for sysadmin volunteers (fwd) References: Message-ID: <007c01c42285$6dbd8c30$0201a8c0@brinstar> nassarmu@redconcepts.net writes: > Not so off topic as the firewall they are working on it apparently > some sort of mini linux distro. What makes it better / different than the other dozens of mini firewall Linux or BSD distros? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 14 21:36:42 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: looking for sysadmin volunteers References: <007c01c42285$6dbd8c30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: David Phillips writes: > nassarmu@redconcepts.net writes: >> Not so off topic as the firewall they are working on it apparently >> some sort of mini linux distro. > > What makes it better / different than the other dozens of mini firewall > Linux or BSD distros? from what i understand (i am in no way affiliated with this project or study) this one will have a usability study behind it. But that is something that you should prolly email the person doing the study about off list, as she is not on tclug-list. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Wed Apr 14 21:53:26 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get rid of Google box in Firefox?Y In-Reply-To: <200404141940.01644.extrinsik@earthlink.net> References: <20040415001713.GB3999@dandrake.org> <200404141940.01644.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20040415025326.GC3999@dandrake.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Wed Apr 14 22:07:30 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get rid of Google box in Firefox?Y In-Reply-To: <20040415025326.GC3999@dandrake.org> References: <20040415001713.GB3999@dandrake.org> <200404141940.01644.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <20040415025326.GC3999@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <200404142207.30275.extrinsik@earthlink.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 09:53 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 at 07:40PM -0500, Todd Mueller wrote: > > > Can I get rid of the Google search box in Firefox 0.8? > > > [...] > > > > Yeah, right click on the place where the back button and forward > > button and all those things are. Go down to customize and then from > > the toolbar select the google search box and drag it to the box with > > all the other items are. > > That works. Thanks! > > Dan No problem. Remember, you can do this with any other item. You can also add stuff by dragging items from that pop up to the toolbar. Todd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Thu Apr 15 07:34:12 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was wondering, could I just use scp to copy the Current /etc/passwd /etc/group to the new server? TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MPatchen at chaska.net Thu Apr 15 07:50:21 2004 From: MPatchen at chaska.net (Mike Patchen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone working with Mesh WirelessAP? Message-ID: We looked at Mesh in Chaska, but decided it was to expensive for our uses. We have finally decided on Tropos to do the same thing for much less $$. Background, we (the city of Chaska) are in the process of creating a complete wireless mesh network in the entire city. This will be used by both public safety and residents (residents will have to pay about $16.95/month). The Tropos system still doesn't address the encryption concerns, but does have a very good MAC filter built into each radio, as well as some other nice security features. If your interested, just look at http://www.tropos.com. Mike Patchen IT Technician City Of Chaska 952-227-7562 mpatchen@chaska.net >>> Jeffrey.Rasmussen@HFA-MN.ORG 4/14/2004 5:32:45 PM >>> I read about Mesh wirelessAP on Slashdot and it sounded great. Is anyone working with this? Anyone use this in a business setting? I'm working with a hospital that could use PDA's to send medical information like dictations and scheduling appointments back and forth to a database. I've been very concerned about encryption and implementing a wireless network that could cover the whole hospital. This looked like a system of routing that could answer at least some of this issue. Jeff Rasmussen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Apr 15 08:04:48 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, FC1 handles how services log in a little different from RH7.2(I assume it's the same for 7.0). So I would suggest that after you load all of your services that you just cut and paste the portions of the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files that deal with your users. I did this for the groups and it seemed to work just fine. I used a script to recreate my users but I think you should be able to do this for your /etc/passwd as well. Good luck, Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:34 AM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was wondering, could I just use scp to copy the Current /etc/passwd /etc/group to the new server? TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Thu Apr 15 08:31:38 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... References: Message-ID: <02c301c422ed$fc5997a0$0c252893@Funa08205scw310> I agree about trimming the parts you want to migrate. AFAIK, you may want to grab the appropriate parts of /etc/shadow, if you want the shadow passwords to follow, also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pastor Doug Coats" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... > Chris, > > FC1 handles how services log in a little different from RH7.2(I assume it's > the same for 7.0). So I would suggest that after you load all of your > services that you just cut and paste the portions of the /etc/passwd and > /etc/group files that deal with your users. I did this for the groups and > it seemed to work just fine. I used a script to recreate my users but I > think you should be able to do this for your /etc/passwd as well. > > Good luck, > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:34 AM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... > > > I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was wondering, > could I just use scp to copy the > Current /etc/passwd /etc/group to the new server? > > > TIA, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 15 10:45:55 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040415154555.GA12267@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 07:34:12AM -0500, Christopher wrote: > I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was > wondering, could I just use scp to copy the Current /etc/passwd > /etc/group to the new server? Limit what you migrate to non-system accounts (i.e. user accounts). Make sure you grab the corresponding shadow files as well, or use the appropriate tools to un-shadow them (i.e. pwconv). -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Thu Apr 15 16:44:41 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <406A2C13.3050904@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <003d01c42332$db885b20$c56000ae@tcat> Someone has been coloring on my calendar again without asking ME. I have either conferences, classes or all day meetings every day from April 21st through April 28th as well as a presentation to the school board on the 21st and a technology plan to write before the 30th so it is looking like I am going to have to postpone my Linux baptism. (My birthday celebration too, humph.) How often do you run these installfests? Will there be another one before August? If I do get to attend, I'll be bringing a plain vanilla machine because I don't have time to research the requirements for the PowerEdge. -----Original Message----- Dana Millaway wrote: > Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Thu Apr 15 17:50:32 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <003d01c42332$db885b20$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: Installfests usually end up being every 2-5 months, whenever we feel the urge and find a place to hold one. Usually if you want one, fire off a message to the board asking when the next one is...usually gets someone to come up with a place. Or at least that's how it's worked for me.... Keith Bachman PS - The big blue case system is gone guys. Little Shuttle XPC this time. Oh, and a 64-bit laptop. Athlon64. We should have some fun times ahead. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Dana Millaway Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:45 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm Someone has been coloring on my calendar again without asking ME. I have either conferences, classes or all day meetings every day from April 21st through April 28th as well as a presentation to the school board on the 21st and a technology plan to write before the 30th so it is looking like I am going to have to postpone my Linux baptism. (My birthday celebration too, humph.) How often do you run these installfests? Will there be another one before August? If I do get to attend, I'll be bringing a plain vanilla machine because I don't have time to research the requirements for the PowerEdge. -----Original Message----- Dana Millaway wrote: > Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Thu Apr 15 19:19:36 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... In-Reply-To: <20040415154555.GA12267@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded, I did as below and it saved a great deal of time.. Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad C. Walstrom Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:46 AM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: Re: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 07:34:12AM -0500, Christopher wrote: > I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was > wondering, could I just use scp to copy the Current /etc/passwd > /etc/group to the new server? Limit what you migrate to non-system accounts (i.e. user accounts). Make sure you grab the corresponding shadow files as well, or use the appropriate tools to un-shadow them (i.e. pwconv). -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 16 07:09:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hijack! [Was; /etc/passwd etc... ] Now; Need ATX Power Supply. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082117363.24529.22.camel@angband> I just love this list. Everyone is so open to helping each other, I learn something new every day. Even if I don't fully understand what I'm learning at first. I even get to sound like I know something once in a while. I'm on a strict diet of Fedora Core 1 right now. My M$ box had a power supply failure so... I'm having DoD and CoD with drawl symptoms, (twitch, twitch...) Anyone have a 300+ watt ATX power supply they want to part with cheep? I have some VB Scripts I need to finish for a project. Sam. On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 19:19, Christopher wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded, > > I did as below and it saved a great deal of time.. > > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad C. Walstrom > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:46 AM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] /etc/passwd etc... > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 07:34:12AM -0500, Christopher wrote: > > I am replacing a RH7.0 server with a Fedora C1 server, I was > > wondering, could I just use scp to copy the Current /etc/passwd > > /etc/group to the new server? > > Limit what you migrate to non-system accounts (i.e. user accounts). > Make sure you grab the corresponding shadow files as well, or use the > appropriate tools to un-shadow them (i.e. pwconv). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 16 07:31:56 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DBD::mysql error Message-ID: <009e01c423ae$ce402b10$4bae6742@DELL2> I am trying to install MailWatch, a gui to MailScanner. It was giving errors about the database going away so I did a google search and found it is most likely related to a version of DBD-MYSQL that is not compatible. The recommendation was to use v 2.1028. I used cpan for this, but get a lot of the following error: I am not sure how to remove the old version if that is the isue. dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type dbdimp.c:2303: warning: passing arg 3 of `mysql_dr_error' makes pointer from integer without a cast dbdimp.c:2304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type dbdimp.c:2305: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type dbdimp.c:2308: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_db_quote': dbdimp.c:2444: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make: *** [dbdimp.o] Error 1 /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Apr 16 09:35:23 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404161435.i3GEZNe14628@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: 300 Watt Power Supply The power supply in my desktop isn't supplying power Anyone have a 300 or more watt power supply cheep Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Apr 16 09:51:01 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD527C37@owa.compellent.com> The box shop or box boys (whatever they are called) had ATX supplies for $12.95 Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of TCLUG Classifieds Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:35 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: 300 Watt Power Supply The power supply in my desktop isn't supplying power Anyone have a 300 or more watt power supply cheep Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Apr 16 11:22:56 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DBD::mysql error In-Reply-To: <009e01c423ae$ce402b10$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <009e01c423ae$ce402b10$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <200404161122.57001.bmaas@open-techsys.com> This makes me think you have some dependency that isn't installed or is installed, but the wrong (old) version. In this case, my guess would be that you need to reinstall the client piece of MySQL itself. You may need to install the "development" stuff as well (include files). On Friday 16 April 2004 07:31 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to install MailWatch, a gui to MailScanner. It was giving > errors about the database going away so I did a google search and found it > is most likely related to a version of DBD-MYSQL that is not compatible. > The recommendation was to use v 2.1028. I used cpan for this, but get a lot > of the following error: I am not sure how to remove the old version if > that is the isue. > > dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2303: warning: passing arg 3 of `mysql_dr_error' makes pointer > from integer without a cast > > dbdimp.c:2304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2305: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2308: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_db_quote': > > dbdimp.c:2444: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > make: *** [dbdimp.o] Error 1 > > /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Fri Apr 16 13:33:19 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DBD::mysql error References: <009e01c423ae$ce402b10$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <003501c423e1$4aec7240$6501a8c0@homer> Had the same problem with MailWatch. I was very interested in installing it, but gave up because of an impossible (seemingly) combination of RPMs. Googling found similar results from another dude. Too bad... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [TCLUG] DBD::mysql error > I am trying to install MailWatch, a gui to MailScanner. It was giving errors > about the database going away so I did a google search and found it is most > likely related to a version of DBD-MYSQL that is not compatible. The > recommendation was to use v 2.1028. I used cpan for this, but get a lot of > the following error: I am not sure how to remove the old version if that is > the isue. > > dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2303: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2303: warning: passing arg 3 of `mysql_dr_error' makes pointer from > integer without a cast > > dbdimp.c:2304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2305: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c:2308: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_db_quote': > > dbdimp.c:2444: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > make: *** [dbdimp.o] Error 1 > > /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 16 15:53:23 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DBD::mysql error In-Reply-To: <003501c423e1$4aec7240$6501a8c0@homer> References: <009e01c423ae$ce402b10$4bae6742@DELL2> <003501c423e1$4aec7240$6501a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <20040416205323.GD3675@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 16 16:50:31 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hijack! [Was; /etc/passwd etc... ] Now; Need ATX Power Supply. In-Reply-To: <1082117363.24529.22.camel@angband> Message-ID: Don't but Hijack and /etc/password in the same Subject line. It just isn't nice. ;-) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Sun Apr 18 10:47:26 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process scheduling in SMP machine Message-ID: Hi, I have a dual processor itanium-2 machine running RH linux. The kernel version is 2.4.18-e.25-perfmon #1 SMP. When I run a command like this ./program | gzip -f > program.gz both "program" and "gzip" run on the same processor. Since both are CPU intensive, each take 50% of the processor time. The other processor is idle. Is there a way to make "program" run on one processor and "gzip" on the other? If you want any specific information please let me know. Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rbentz at dunwoody.edu Fri Apr 16 13:35:03 2004 From: rbentz at dunwoody.edu (rbentz@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding on IPCop for www.time.gov Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD02333F83@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I did think of the java client too and tried it from a different machine that is "known good" (tested with out the firewall in the way) and it failed too. I tried to "open" port 8013 by forwarding inbound (8013) from the red network to that specific machine's IP. I tried w/ and w/o a specific port# on the inside IP. It's a NAT'd network which complicates it more. Ex: inbound:8013 forward -> 10.1.1.30 (didn't work) inbound:8013 forward -> 10.1.1.30:8013 (also tried some random ports on the inside address like 5201, 8000, 3501. None work.) Did I mention this is the first attempt for me to ever forward a port? Rob Bentz >Todd Young [auditodd@comcast.net] wrote: > > Hmmm, just tried it through my Smoothwall from a Win98SE machine > running Mozilla for a browser (Java installed) and it worked fine. > > Are you sure your WinXP has a sufficient Java client installed? > > I noticed that the animated clock loaded Java to run. > > rbentz@dunwoody.edu wrote: > > > The problem: My WinXP box tries to access www.time.gov > > and the animated clock does not display. The WinXP machine is > > behind an IPCop firewall that is connected to the Inet via cable > > modem. The site(time.gov) says to "open" port 8013 so I tried but I > > don't understand why it's failing. The questions: > > Is there a way in IPCop to forward a port so all machines > > in the green network to use it? > > Anyone done this that could suggest what I'm supposed to do? > > > > The setup: > > IPCop is on an older IBM PC70 in default load and patches. (no other > > ports being forwarded) I have only a green and red network. > > > > Rob Bentz > > > > -- > Todd Young > 7079 Dawn Ave. E. > Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 18 13:56:28 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus from [TCLUG-DEVEL]? In-Reply-To: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <200404181356.31539@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 05 April 2004 10:01 am, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I just got a message from my virus scanner that something sent to > TCLUG-DEVEL had a virus. Looked bogus as Spamassassin also tagged it as > spam. Can you send me the complete smtp headers from the virus messages? Since the mail host runs clamav, I'm thinking this was forged message. What host did SpamAssassin get run on? It should be in the headers too. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Apr 18 14:02:22 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process scheduling in SMP machine References: Message-ID: <000f01c42577$adff6b70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sreekumar Kodakara writes: > both "program" and "gzip" run on the same processor. Since both are > CPU intensive, each take 50% of the processor time. The other > processor is idle. Is there a way to make "program" run on one > processor and "gzip" on the other? They should do that already. It could be a kernel bug. Upgrade to a later kernel version. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Apr 18 14:46:09 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus from [TCLUG-DEVEL]? In-Reply-To: <200404181356.31539@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <20040405100127.00006a98@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <200404181356.31539@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040418144609.00001491@schubert> I would if I still had it. sorry Josh On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:56:28 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 05 April 2004 10:01 am, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I just got a message from my virus scanner that something sent to > > TCLUG-DEVEL had a virus. Looked bogus as Spamassassin also tagged > > it as spam. > > Can you send me the complete smtp headers from the virus messages? > > Since the mail host runs clamav, I'm thinking this was forged > message. > > What host did SpamAssassin get run on? It should be in the headers > too. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sun Apr 18 17:14:38 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process scheduling in SMP machine In-Reply-To: <000f01c42577$adff6b70$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <000f01c42577$adff6b70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040418221407.GA23554@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 02:02:22PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Sreekumar Kodakara writes: > > both "program" and "gzip" run on the same processor. Since both are > > CPU intensive, each take 50% of the processor time. The other > > processor is idle. Is there a way to make "program" run on one > > processor and "gzip" on the other? > > They should do that already. It could be a kernel bug. Upgrade to a later > kernel version. Isn't this the generally recommended approach for piped processes? Since, (a) the odds are good they'll run in sequence instead of parallel, and (b) it would improve the chances of sharing any memory cache. Just wondering. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Sun Apr 18 19:06:24 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem loading GL library Message-ID: <20040418190624.21cb0588.ston0235@umn.edu> I recently got a copy of the game Mindrover. I'm running Debian Sarge, kernel 2.4.25 and version 5336 of Nvidia's binary drivers. When I try to start Mindrover, the game immediately aborts, and I get the following output: istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ mindrover Setting log-message filter to 'e' MindRover Version 1.07 GLDisplayManager::setupRenderer(): Unable to load GL library After some googling and guessing, I figured out that I can successfully start the game with this command: istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 mindrover I have only a vague idea of what this is doing and why it works. Questions: Does this problem indicate I have something improperly configured, GL-wise? Or is the problem more likely with the game? Either way, is there some change I can make to my system to save myself the trouble of setting LD_PRELOAD every time I launch the program? Thanks, Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ston0235/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Apr 18 19:23:45 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process scheduling in SMP machine References: <000f01c42577$adff6b70$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040418221407.GA23554@amos.strayf.homeip.net> Message-ID: <000a01c425a4$938863f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Steven Cayford writes: > (a) the odds are good they'll run in sequence instead of parallel Not necessarily. Pipes have buffers, so even a blocking write() will not necessarily block while waiting for the corresponding process to read() from the pipe. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Sun Apr 18 19:36:31 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem loading GL library In-Reply-To: <20040418190624.21cb0588.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20040418190624.21cb0588.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <200404181936.31806.extrinsik@earthlink.net> On Sunday 18 April 2004 07:06 pm, Ian Stoner wrote: > I recently got a copy of the game Mindrover. I'm running Debian Sarge, > kernel 2.4.25 and version 5336 of Nvidia's binary drivers. When I try > to start Mindrover, the game immediately aborts, and I get the following > output: > > istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ mindrover > Setting log-message filter to 'e' > MindRover Version 1.07 > GLDisplayManager::setupRenderer(): Unable to load GL library > > After some googling and guessing, I figured out that I can successfully > start the game with this command: > > istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 mindrover > > I have only a vague idea of what this is doing and why it works. > > Questions: Does this problem indicate I have something improperly > configured, GL-wise? Or is the problem more likely with the game? > Either way, is there some change I can make to my system to save myself > the trouble of setting LD_PRELOAD every time I launch the program? > > Thanks, > Ian I think its because the game is trying to find the library in another folder. I have my libGL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/tls and thats probably why it was giving you a hard time. But, I use slackware. So its probably a bit different. I believe its more to do with the game then with your GL, or a bit of both. I dont really know how to fix it from using the LD_PRELOAD command unless you dump the library files in /usr/lib.... But that might be potentially dangerous if anything else is linked to the tls directory. Hope that helped some, Todd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Apr 18 22:49:20 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tripoli Launch (Off Topic!) Message-ID: <1658.192.1.1.23.1082346560.squirrel@dccmn.com> This is terribly off topic, but I thought there might be some interest at TCLUG. Anyone want to help me get togeather a Linux based flight control system? I'd like to extend an invitation to join me in the first HPR launch of the year for Tripoli Minnesota. Visitor's are always welcome. See the attached flyer for details. The www.tripolimn.org web site has more detail about future launches and getting more involved. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> My employer is about it issue me a new laptop with built-in support for 802.11[abg]. I'm thinking about getting a wireless access point for home. Anyone have any suggestions for inexpensive local sources? I only _need_ the WAP - but I'm willing buy a box with hub/router capability built-in. I probably don't really need better than b, because my outbound DSL pipe is (IIRC), 640/128. OK, the Linux box may have a 100MB card in it, and the inside connection to my Cisco 675 claims to be 100MB, but those are the only pieces in the home network that currently supports greater than 10MB. I have one data transfer that I'm going to be doing sometime in the nearish future that might be able to take advantage of a higher bandwidth, but I'm willing to move ~3GB over my 10MB pipe. It's just text (my e-library), and if it takes several hours, so what? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 19 13:17:28 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> References: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20040419181728.GD22158@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:38:22PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > I only _need_ the WAP - but I'm willing buy a box with hub/router > capability built-in. I probably don't really need better than b, > because my outbound DSL pipe is (IIRC), 640/128. OK, the Linux box > may have a 100MB card in it, and the inside connection to my Cisco 675 > claims to be 100MB, but those are the only pieces in the home network > that currently supports greater than 10MB. I have one data transfer > that I'm going to be doing sometime in the nearish future that might > be able to take advantage of a higher bandwidth, but I'm willing to > move ~3GB over my 10MB pipe. It's just text (my e-library), and if it > takes several hours, so what? Take this into consideration. You do not want access to your local machines to be limited by your upstream connection. I am running into this at home because I currently do not have a firewall/private lan set up. Each of my machines is grabbing an IP address from the ISP, and all traffic is being routed by the ISP's router. This is partially because I have a really stupid HUB, and not a smart switch. The simplest thing you can do to leverage what you currently have is to use your Cisco 675 to do NAT and Firewall. Buy a switch and Wireless AP and attach your AP in bridging mode, which should let your Cisco assign DHCP addresses to any device on the network. Make sure you set up WEP and Mac filtering in the very least (though neither are very secure). If you want a Linux firewall, you can do more fancy security measures by having a capture-portal based authentication. WEP and Mac filtering are pretty useless for authorizing individuals to your network, and you can't do such advanced routing with the Cisco 675. The cool thing about capture-portals is that you can apply it to the full subnet if you want. It doesn't matter if the user is on wireless or wired connections. Look at NoCatAuth or similar capture portal software. The TCWUG group has some pretty good resources, too. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Mon Apr 19 14:04:06 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> Message-ID: I like this idea... http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/07/1936228&mode=thread&t id=106&tid=137&tid=185&tid=193 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Scott Raun Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? My employer is about it issue me a new laptop with built-in support for 802.11[abg]. I'm thinking about getting a wireless access point for home. Anyone have any suggestions for inexpensive local sources? I only _need_ the WAP - but I'm willing buy a box with hub/router capability built-in. I probably don't really need better than b, because my outbound DSL pipe is (IIRC), 640/128. OK, the Linux box may have a 100MB card in it, and the inside connection to my Cisco 675 claims to be 100MB, but those are the only pieces in the home network that currently supports greater than 10MB. I have one data transfer that I'm going to be doing sometime in the nearish future that might be able to take advantage of a higher bandwidth, but I'm willing to move ~3GB over my 10MB pipe. It's just text (my e-library), and if it takes several hours, so what? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Apr 19 16:33:41 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419181728.GD22158@wookimus.net> References: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> <20040419181728.GD22158@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:17:28PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Take this into consideration. You do not want access to your local > machines to be limited by your upstream connection. I am running into > this at home because I currently do not have a firewall/private lan set > up. Each of my machines is grabbing an IP address from the ISP, and all > traffic is being routed by the ISP's router. This is partially because > I have a really stupid HUB, and not a smart switch. > > The simplest thing you can do to leverage what you currently have is > to use your Cisco 675 to do NAT and Firewall. Buy a switch and > Wireless AP and attach your AP in bridging mode, which should let > your Cisco assign DHCP addresses to any device on the network. Already doing that - internally I'm running a 10.x.x.x, the Cisco provides DHCP, and as long as I use the actual machine name, instead of my domain name, I never go out over the internet. Learned that trick for my wife for her webmail a couple of years ago. > Make sure you set up WEP and Mac filtering in the very least (though > neither are very secure). I know that I need to turn on the not terribly good security on my WAP - I'll be looking into exact options after I get one. > If you want a Linux firewall, you can do more fancy security measures by > having a capture-portal based authentication. WEP and Mac filtering are > pretty useless for authorizing individuals to your network, and you > can't do such advanced routing with the Cisco 675. The cool thing about > capture-portals is that you can apply it to the full subnet if you want. > It doesn't matter if the user is on wireless or wired connections. I'm middling likely to end up with a 'no unencrypted traffic accepted' setup by the time I'm done. I'm going to have to tighten up some Windows security anyway - I may just turn it off completely, and teach my wife some new tricks. But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware recommendations?' question. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 19 17:41:07 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> References: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> <20040419181728.GD22158@wookimus.net> <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20040419224107.GA30028@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Apr 19 17:45:35 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> References: <20040419173822.GA8173@fireopal.org> <20040419181728.GD22158@wookimus.net> <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20040419224535.GA3901@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 04:33:41PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware > recommendations?' question. > I've been using a really inexpensive SMC barricade WAP I picked up at Microcenter. They usually have some sort of deal/rebate on these devices. Mine is a four port switch that has a built-in DHCP server and other goodies, but all I use it for is the wireless access. I let my Linux server issue the IP addresses. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- In the realm of scientific observation, luck is granted only to those who are prepared. -- Louis Pasteur _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Mon Apr 19 17:55:35 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> Message-ID: "But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware recommendations?' question." Techspresso (www.techspreso.com) carries no stock, but can order virtually anything you want. Contact me if you would like to investigate your options. If you want to walk into a store and see product check out Alex PC Tech (www.alexpctech.com). They carry many items, including access points, at very competitive prices. Mike Mike Gelhar Techspresso Technology Solutions for Home and Small Office www.techspresso.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Raun Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:34 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:17:28PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Take this into consideration. You do not want access to your local > machines to be limited by your upstream connection. I am running into > this at home because I currently do not have a firewall/private lan set > up. Each of my machines is grabbing an IP address from the ISP, and all > traffic is being routed by the ISP's router. This is partially because > I have a really stupid HUB, and not a smart switch. > > The simplest thing you can do to leverage what you currently have is > to use your Cisco 675 to do NAT and Firewall. Buy a switch and > Wireless AP and attach your AP in bridging mode, which should let > your Cisco assign DHCP addresses to any device on the network. Already doing that - internally I'm running a 10.x.x.x, the Cisco provides DHCP, and as long as I use the actual machine name, instead of my domain name, I never go out over the internet. Learned that trick for my wife for her webmail a couple of years ago. > Make sure you set up WEP and Mac filtering in the very least (though > neither are very secure). I know that I need to turn on the not terribly good security on my WAP - I'll be looking into exact options after I get one. > If you want a Linux firewall, you can do more fancy security measures by > having a capture-portal based authentication. WEP and Mac filtering are > pretty useless for authorizing individuals to your network, and you > can't do such advanced routing with the Cisco 675. The cool thing about > capture-portals is that you can apply it to the full subnet if you want. > It doesn't matter if the user is on wireless or wired connections. I'm middling likely to end up with a 'no unencrypted traffic accepted' setup by the time I'm done. I'm going to have to tighten up some Windows security anyway - I may just turn it off completely, and teach my wife some new tricks. But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware recommendations?' question. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Mon Apr 19 17:57:16 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419224107.GA30028@wookimus.net> Message-ID: My Netgear 802.11g router requires weekly rebooting.. and that is with the latest firmware... YMMV Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:41 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 04:33:41PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware > recommendations?' question. If you're going to DYI, look for prism 2.x/3 chipset cards, such as the NetGear and some Linksys cards. Bring your cell phone with you when you go to BestBuy or CompUSA in case the customer service can't tell you what is what. Call the support line on the box and ask. ;-) The reason you want Prism chipsets is because they are the best supported under Linux for all of the cool Host AP software. Broadcom chipsets aren't supported all that well, IIRC, though that may have changed since last I shopped for cards. I wimped out and bought a Linksys WAP11. It works well enough, and I only have to reboot it every once and a while. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Apr 19 18:08:41 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20040419213341.GB9500@fireopal.org> Message-ID: Most of D-Link 802.11g product line has open source drivers, etc (haven't checked completeness myself). Much of linksys does too, but I have been unable to locate the source for the firmware of the BEFW11S4 WAP/Routers. Linksys PCMCIA cards have poor receiver sensitivity compared to others. Some site has a table of receiver/transmitter specs. I may have that reference here somewhere if it's not obvious from Google. I'd look for a WAP/Switch that has: 1) open source for drivers and firmware, and 2) standard connectors so you could use a different antenna if you have that interest later. I think the Dell g hardware has decent specs, but may have compatibility problems and no antenna connectors. The "Orinoco Gold" name was bought by Proxim from Lucent(?) a while back and newer stuff is not as open and compatible as the stuff that was raved about on TCWUG 2 years ago. Price differences between g and b series gear seem very small now, so I don't think buying a new b will make sense. I think D-Link is OK, and Linksys-minus-their-PCMCIA-and-their-PCI-adapter is OK. There may be expensive choices as well (Cisco?). Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Raun > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:34 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:17:28PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Take this into consideration. You do not want access to your local > > machines to be limited by your upstream connection. I am running into > > this at home because I currently do not have a firewall/private lan set > > up. Each of my machines is grabbing an IP address from the ISP, and all > > traffic is being routed by the ISP's router. This is partially because > > I have a really stupid HUB, and not a smart switch. > > > > The simplest thing you can do to leverage what you currently have is > > to use your Cisco 675 to do NAT and Firewall. Buy a switch and > > Wireless AP and attach your AP in bridging mode, which should let > > your Cisco assign DHCP addresses to any device on the network. > > Already doing that - internally I'm running a 10.x.x.x, the Cisco > provides DHCP, and as long as I use the actual machine name, instead > of my domain name, I never go out over the internet. Learned that > trick for my wife for her webmail a couple of years ago. > > > Make sure you set up WEP and Mac filtering in the very least (though > > neither are very secure). > > I know that I need to turn on the not terribly good security on my WAP > - I'll be looking into exact options after I get one. > > > If you want a Linux firewall, you can do more fancy security measures by > > having a capture-portal based authentication. WEP and Mac filtering are > > pretty useless for authorizing individuals to your network, and you > > can't do such advanced routing with the Cisco 675. The cool thing about > > capture-portals is that you can apply it to the full subnet if you want. > > It doesn't matter if the user is on wireless or wired connections. > > I'm middling likely to end up with a 'no unencrypted traffic accepted' > setup by the time I'm done. I'm going to have to tighten up some > Windows security anyway - I may just turn it off completely, and teach > my wife some new tricks. > > But none of this address my 'anyone have any local vendor or hardware > recommendations?' question. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Apr 19 22:42:49 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP? Message-ID: <40849C39.1B19A441@ppdonline.com> Hello, I'm going to be working with LDAP for the first time on one of the web servers I maintain (FreeBSD 4.x/Apache 1.3 in case it matters). I'll be using this as an LDAP server that another machine will connecting and retrieving data from. I assume that I'll need some sort of daemon running to listen for the LDAP requests from the second machine, does anyone have recommendations as to a good software package? I'm also brand new to the LDAP world and a nice tutorial or help site would be of great benefit to me, any recommendations there? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 20 00:02:21 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virtual hosting Message-ID: <4084AEDD.3040601@andersonfam.org> I've been thinking about leasing a virtual linux server and am wondering if any of you have had any experience w/ virtual server hosting companies. I found the following thread on /. a few months ago: http://tinyurl.com/2u4ba From a post on that thread, I discovered Linode.com, a virtual server hosting company. From the reviews on slashdot, it would seem like a good choice. They support several distros including debian and gentoo, which are my first two choices, and their pricing seems reasonable. Have any of you had any experience with linode or other hosting companies? Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Tue Apr 20 07:29:37 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP? In-Reply-To: <40849C39.1B19A441@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: Openldap seems to work great. I am using it on a Samba server as the backend for my PDC. http://www.openldap.org/software/ Chris Smith Systems Administrator API Group Information Systems Dept. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Bargabus Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:43 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP? Hello, I'm going to be working with LDAP for the first time on one of the web servers I maintain (FreeBSD 4.x/Apache 1.3 in case it matters). I'll be using this as an LDAP server that another machine will connecting and retrieving data from. I assume that I'll need some sort of daemon running to listen for the LDAP requests from the second machine, does anyone have recommendations as to a good software package? I'm also brand new to the LDAP world and a nice tutorial or help site would be of great benefit to me, any recommendations there? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 20 08:52:00 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers Message-ID: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> I bought a new power supply for my desktop machine. I went to "The Box Shop" in New Hope. For $19 I purchased a PowerMax 400 Watt power supply, (NEW) $20.24 with tax. My machine is happily humming once again. Specifications: The unit will fit all standard ATX case, tower & desktop design (Dimensions: 125mm x 150mm x 85mm)* P3/P4/AMD/AMD-XP* ATX 400 WATT Short Circuit Protection Over Voltage Protection Complies with FCC and international safety. Frequency: 50~60Hz Outputs: +5V, -5V, +12V, -12V, 3.3V, +5VSB High performance fan BRAND NEW Dimensions: 125mm x 150mm x 85mm (STANDARD) $39 price tag on the box. While I was there I checked the place out. They have dozens of small UPS's for $5, sold as is, and new batteries, cheep. They have cables, computers. printers, displays, the regular stuff. Not a large selection, PII and some PIII. A couple old Compaq servers. some half racks for $100. The only draw back (a big one to me) was the cigarette smoke. It's his store but... Anyone with allergies or breathing problems may want to avoid this place. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 20 08:13:16 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> Message-ID: <1082466796.25533.16.camel@unixws1> > The only draw back (a big one to me) was the cigarette smoke. It's his > store but... > Anyone with allergies or breathing problems may want to avoid this place. Ever look inside the computer of someone that smokes in his/her house or office? Those fans just suck that stuff right in and deposit it on the components. Incidentally, that's what his lungs look like... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 20 08:48:41 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP? In-Reply-To: <40849C39.1B19A441@ppdonline.com> References: <40849C39.1B19A441@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Ben Bargabus wrote: > I assume that I'll need some sort of daemon running to listen for the > LDAP requests from the second machine, does anyone have recommendations > as to a good software package? slapd, from the openldap project. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Apr 20 09:12:52 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a LinkSys WAP11 (b only) that runs like a tank. I can't recall that it was ever the problem with my home network. My LinkSys router, on the other hand, does knock out my network once a month or so. Best Buy and Micro Center and Circuit City all carry LinkSys. The LinkSys WPC54G (802.11g CardBus) card has a BroadCom chip and I have not gotten it to work with Linux, but I haven't tried real hard. I don't think I should have to install kernel sources to get peripherals to work. g is only a little more expensive than b and as you get new equipment, you'll want the option of that speed. I strongly recommend you get an 802.11g access point. I'm not going to buy any more CRT's (LCD monitors for me), and I'm not going to buy any more 100BT (all 1000BT from now on) NIC's, no more 802.11b (g or whatever's next). Soon I won't buy 100BT switches or hubs. (And if I were you, I'd zip that 3GB e-library and move it over a 100BT or even 10BT wired connection for speed.) MAC address filtering is pretty weak. I don't use it, at the moment. 128-bit WEP is actually pretty good. No one driving by is going to break it. A neighbor with nothing better to do just might. But my next-door neighbor has a wide-open WAP right now (or he did this weekend anyway). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 20 11:28:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Wireless Access Point? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040420162816.GA3936@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:12:52AM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > The LinkSys WPC54G (802.11g CardBus) card has a BroadCom chip and I > have not gotten it to work with Linux, but I haven't tried real hard. > I don't think I should have to install kernel sources to get > peripherals to work. I had forgotten about the Linuxant NDIS driver loader [1], which allows you to use the Win32 drivers in Linux. Pretty slick. I don't personally know how well this works, but they claim to support the Broadcom chips. 1. http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Tue Apr 20 11:33:09 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lexmark printer not working Message-ID: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> Can anyone give a clue why my lexmark 1100 print won't print from linux. It works fine from windows. The jobs spool in the queue but it wont print. I can write the job to postscript file and run lpr as root and it still won't print. If I remove the printer and run kudzu linux finds the printer and itenifies it correctly it just wont print :>(. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 20 15:30:42 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404202030.i3KKUgZ06897@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Sony Petabyte Tape Silo I have a Sony 8400 Petabyte tape silo that I need to part with. It currently has 4 of the 8 possible tape drives in it, otherwise it is fully funtional. The item is made of: - 1 DMS-8400-B unit - 2 DMS-8400-D units (Each unit holds 4 tape drives) - 8 DMS-8400-C units (Each unit holds 180 tapes) The person(s) interested in device would be responsible for taking the units apart and removal from the location. Please contact me only if you are interested in taking and removing the system. Thanks Jim Streit http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 20 15:53:27 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lexmark printer not working In-Reply-To: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> References: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040420205327.GB3936@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Can anyone give a clue why my lexmark 1100 print won't print from > linux. It works fine from windows. Perhaps it isn't a true Postscript printer? Perhaps you should be using something like CUPS or lprng+magicfilter or lprng+foomatic to give the printer the job in a format it can print? A quick google for "Linux Lexmark 1100" gives this: http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/lexmark-list/2001q2/000218.html Pretty good starting point... Lesson: Google is your Friend(tm) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 20 15:51:58 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404202051.i3KKpwI07195@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Hitachi 5700e disk subsystem I have a new, never been used, still in the shipping container, Hitachi 5700e disk subsystem with a manual and software. 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Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MS trial evidence in Hennepin Co. court Message-ID: <20040420220221.GA6066@mail.el-swifto.com> Got this link from El Reg: http://www.courts.state.mn.us/districts/fourth/MicrosoftTrial/ -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 20 17:00:44 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sometimes I dislike computers In-Reply-To: <40859662.8000609@umn.edu> References: <40859662.8000609@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1082498443.2921.0.camel@angband> 763-535-1227 On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:30, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > Do you have any phone numbers for the box shop? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Apr 20 16:59:06 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php on redhat 7.1 Message-ID: <008a01c42722$b4210250$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Not being a php expert, I am wondering what rpm version I can upgrade to in order to replace php-4.0.4pl1-9 on a redhat 7.1 box? 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Free for pickup at my home in Maplewood. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 20 19:19:27 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 20 19:08:42 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404210008.i3L08ga09829@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: HP P90 laptop HP P90 laptop -- Pentium 90, 48MB RAM, floppy, external SCSI port, dual PCMCIA ethernet cards, AC power brick, etc. Needs a new hard drive and battery. Screen sometimes flakes out a bit, but is easily worked around by readjusting the screen angle (loose internal VGA connector?). Would make a nice little Linux router or firewall box. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Apr 20 19:20:18 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virtual hosting References: <4084AEDD.3040601@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <004b01c4273c$cd631400$0200a8c0@moose> Erik Anderson said: > I've been thinking about leasing a virtual linux server and am wondering > if any of you have had any experience w/ virtual server hosting > companies. I found the following thread on /. a few months ago: > > http://tinyurl.com/2u4ba > > From a post on that thread, I discovered Linode.com, a virtual server > hosting company. From the reviews on slashdot, it would seem like a > good choice. They support several distros including debian and gentoo, > which are my first two choices, and their pricing seems reasonable. > > Have any of you had any experience with linode or other hosting companies? > > Thanks! > -Erik > I'm currently using a virtual host from RimuHosting http://rimuhosting.com . It's only been a month since I've set up, and I'm not doing anything heavy, but so far so good. I'm using the VPS-A (cheapest) plan, mostly just for email serving and backup purposes, it was set up quick, seems to have good connectivity and decent performance. Doing anything CPU intensive, like unzipping a large file or running rsync over ssh, can be a little slow since not a lot of processor is allotted, but it should be enough for a hobby server. I was running into problems using my home machine as a server with Dynamic DNS, mostly due to mishappenings on my home network, so its nice to know that there is someplace I can always get access to without having to shell out $100.00 a month, which is the cheapest co-lo price I've found. HTH, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Apr 21 00:00:05 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers [OT plug] In-Reply-To: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040421050005.GJ673@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erick at nixbrain.com Wed Apr 21 00:11:30 2004 From: erick at nixbrain.com (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> Message-ID: <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I bought a new power supply for my desktop machine. I went to "The Box > Shop" in New Hope. > For $19 I purchased a PowerMax 400 Watt power supply, (NEW) $20.24 > with tax. > My machine is happily humming once again. > > Specifications: > The unit will fit all standard ATX case, tower & desktop design > (Dimensions: 125mm x 150mm x 85mm)* > P3/P4/AMD/AMD-XP* ATX > > 400 WATT > Short Circuit Protection > Over Voltage Protection > Complies with FCC and international safety. > Frequency: 50~60Hz > Outputs: +5V, -5V, +12V, -12V, 3.3V, +5VSB > High performance fan > BRAND NEW > Dimensions: 125mm x 150mm x 85mm (STANDARD) > $39 price tag on the box. > > > While I was there I checked the place out. > They have dozens of small UPS's for $5, sold as is, and new batteries, > cheep. > They have cables, computers. printers, displays, the regular stuff. > Not a large selection, PII and some PIII. A couple old Compaq servers. > some half racks for $100. > > The only draw back (a big one to me) was the cigarette smoke. It's his > store but... > Anyone with allergies or breathing problems may want to avoid this place. > > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > you are like a 5 year old child, you dislike computers because someone smokes in the shop, what does that have to do with Linux? why don't you mark ALL your posts OT as 90% of them are. i thought you were going to tell us last month that you stubbed your toe on the sidewalk while walking to McDonald's. you inform the list of every event in your life, what a waste of bandwidth. i pray to God you are not over 18 because you sure don't act older than it, you are so dependent on the list for everything. i am glad at least one other member has stood up to your infancy, and i am not talking about infancy in Linux, as that is what this list is reguarding. Whoo Whooo Whooo Whooooo. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Apr 21 04:15:55 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> Message-ID: <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> Erick Stohr wrote: > you are like a 5 year old child, you dislike computers because someone > smokes in the shop, what does that have to do with Linux? why don't > you mark ALL your posts OT as 90% of them are. i thought you were > going to tell us last month that you stubbed your toe on the sidewalk > while walking to McDonald's. you inform the list of every event in > your life, what a waste of bandwidth. i pray to God you are not over > 18 because you sure don't act older than it, you are so dependent on > the list for everything. i am glad at least one other member has stood > up to your infancy, and i am not talking about infancy in Linux, as > that is what this list is reguarding. Whoo Whooo Whooo Whooooo. > Granted, I see a lot of semi off-topic posts coming from Mr. MacDonald; however, I don't think your severe rebuttal is warranted. Obviously you have a lot of anger, perhaps you should vent it on something more constructive than a passive/aggressive attack on someone you don't even know. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 21 07:16:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> I've come to expect comments like this from a few folks on the list, so generally I don't comment. Sense someone else has commented I'd like to put in my 2 bits. I did a review of the place I purchased a power supply. (I did have one person on the list ask for the phone number.) In that review I was warning anyone with a problem with cigarette smoke about the environment. If I tell someone about something I feel they should be informed about any hazard they may encounter. Also, I did ask the list if anyone knew where I could get a cheep power supply. I wish I was 18, but I'm 45 and I believe life and computers should be fun. Obviously some folks think computers should be boring and drab. Life is to short to be so serious about anything, it's a computer for gosh sake not a person. Yes we work with computers in our jobs but they are not or should not be our lives. I wish you all the best at the install fest this weekend. I'll be teaching so I can't make it. Sam. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:15, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > Erick Stohr wrote: > > > you are like a 5 year old child, you dislike computers because someone > > smokes in the shop, what does that have to do with Linux? why don't > > you mark ALL your posts OT as 90% of them are. i thought you were > > going to tell us last month that you stubbed your toe on the sidewalk > > while walking to McDonald's. you inform the list of every event in > > your life, what a waste of bandwidth. i pray to God you are not over > > 18 because you sure don't act older than it, you are so dependent on > > the list for everything. i am glad at least one other member has stood > > up to your infancy, and i am not talking about infancy in Linux, as > > that is what this list is reguarding. Whoo Whooo Whooo Whooooo. > > > Granted, I see a lot of semi off-topic posts coming from Mr. MacDonald; > however, I don't think your severe rebuttal is warranted. > > Obviously you have a lot of anger, perhaps you should vent it on > something more constructive than a passive/aggressive attack on someone > you don't even know. > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Wed Apr 21 08:35:47 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> Message-ID: <002501c427a5$8e1b56e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> I'd never have heard of MPC, if you hadn't reported on it a few months back. Very helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers > I've come to expect comments like this from a few folks on the list, so > generally I don't comment. Sense someone else has commented I'd like to > put in my 2 bits. > I did a review of the place I purchased a power supply. (I did have one > person on the list ask for the phone number.) > In that review I was warning anyone with a problem with cigarette smoke > about the environment. If I tell someone about something I feel they > should be informed about any hazard they may encounter. Also, I did ask > the list if anyone knew where I could get a cheep power supply. > > I wish I was 18, but I'm 45 and I believe life and computers should be > fun. Obviously some folks think computers should be boring and drab. > Life is to short to be so serious about anything, it's a computer for > gosh sake not a person. Yes we work with computers in our jobs but they > are not or should not be our lives. > > I wish you all the best at the install fest this weekend. I'll be > teaching so I can't make it. > > > Sam. > > > On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:15, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > Erick Stohr wrote: > > > > > you are like a 5 year old child, you dislike computers because someone > > > smokes in the shop, what does that have to do with Linux? why don't > > > you mark ALL your posts OT as 90% of them are. i thought you were > > > going to tell us last month that you stubbed your toe on the sidewalk > > > while walking to McDonald's. you inform the list of every event in > > > your life, what a waste of bandwidth. i pray to God you are not over > > > 18 because you sure don't act older than it, you are so dependent on > > > the list for everything. i am glad at least one other member has stood > > > up to your infancy, and i am not talking about infancy in Linux, as > > > that is what this list is reguarding. Whoo Whooo Whooo Whooooo. > > > > > Granted, I see a lot of semi off-topic posts coming from Mr. MacDonald; > > however, I don't think your severe rebuttal is warranted. > > > > Obviously you have a lot of anger, perhaps you should vent it on > > something more constructive than a passive/aggressive attack on someone > > you don't even know. > > > > LB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 21 10:21:39 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! Message-ID: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml How about a webpoll? How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? 1. My life would no longer have meaning 2. I would be sad 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it 4. I would have a beer and celebrate 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. 6. Clay who? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Wed Apr 21 10:55:29 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> "I like SELinux. We plan to use it in our next release of AshcroftProof Linux" paranoia is running high. > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [SMTP:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:22 AM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! > > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? > > http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml > > How about a webpoll? > > How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? > 1. My life would no longer have meaning > 2. I would be sad > 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it > 4. I would have a beer and celebrate > 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. > 6. Clay who? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 21 10:59:17 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> Message-ID: I'm torn between option 4 and 6... ;-) Serisouly though, that this even make a headline somewhere beyond the homepage of LULA's webside it pretty damned sad. Seriously...could this come from anywhere but California? "I cannot attend Tuesday night's meeting, in fact I would be ashamed to in view of what our country is doing in Iraq ..." Umm...ok sure. It's free to have his opinion, just as free as the US Government is to use Linux (As long as they respect the terms of the licesnse granted to them.) Nothing to see here, move along... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 21 11:00:27 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> References: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1082563226.15350.54.camel@unixws1> I was a little confused by that headline. All I read was that some LUG president resigned because he's against the war, and the DoD (or Army or whoever) uses Linux. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. He's giving up on Linux because his views conflict with those of an organization that is using it? So in his mind Linux is supporting the war (and as a LUG president, he is, indirectly, supporting Linux, and by extension, the war)? As a Linux user, shouldn't he appreciate the rights of /anyone/ to freely use it? I'm sure he read the article a year or two ago about the guy that was the techy for the mob? That guy was using Linux (hey, they aren't going to STEAL windows...) to setup things like encrypted e-mail for a criminal organization. Since he didn't resign his LUG presidency when that news broke, does that mean that he supports the mafia? Does he suppose that if Linus finds out that the (fictional organization) "Kill the Geeky Finns" is using Linux, that he'll stop developing it? Or sabotage it in some way? I imagine there are a lot of organizations using Linux that have conflicting opinions of Linus'. He is delusional if he considers this a way to protest the war. If he wants to make a difference, he should fly over to Iraq and handcuff himself to a couple of Iraqi soldiers or something. Or have a bullet-catching contest. Friggin' hippies :) Forgive me if the headline is misleading and I'm way off base here. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:21, Clay Fandre wrote: > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? > > http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml > > How about a webpoll? > > How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? > 1. My life would no longer have meaning > 2. I would be sad > 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it > 4. I would have a beer and celebrate > 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. > 6. Clay who? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 21 11:26:42 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> References: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Clay Fandre wrote: > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? Maybe if you quit with a rediculously absurd reason... About the OTHER Clay, well. I'm a pacifist. And I have no idea what the heck he's on about. Was the LULA actually helping the US military? Were there army guys showing up at LULA meetings and recruiting people? I don't get it. > How about a webpoll? Where's the "Nooooooo! We LOVE you Clay!" option? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Apr 21 11:30:01 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> Message-ID: <20040421163001.GA1357@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I did a review of the place I purchased a power supply. (I did have one > person on the list ask for the phone number.) > In that review I was warning anyone with a problem with cigarette smoke > about the environment. If I tell someone about something I feel they > should be informed about any hazard they may encounter. Also, I did ask > the list if anyone knew where I could get a cheep power supply. I appreciated Sam's review of this new place to buy cheap hardware. Given the smoking issue, I probably wouldn't shop there though. Smoke is horribly damaging to computer components. Thanks for the review Sam. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 21 11:32:30 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <1082565150.2949.113.camel@angband> Standing up for what one believes in is very important. If we don't our conscience will drive us crazy. Good for him. Sam. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:55, rware@interplastic.com wrote: > "I like SELinux. We plan to use it in our next release of AshcroftProof > Linux" paranoia is running high. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clay Fandre [SMTP:clay@fandre.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:22 AM > > To: tclug-list > > Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! > > > > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? > > > > http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml > > > > How about a webpoll? > > > > How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? > > 1. My life would no longer have meaning > > 2. I would be sad > > 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it > > 4. I would have a beer and celebrate > > 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. > > 6. Clay who? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Apr 21 11:55:29 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I did a review of the place I purchased a power supply. (I did have one > person on the list ask for the phone number.) > In that review I was warning anyone with a problem with cigarette smoke > about the environment. If I tell someone about something I feel they > should be informed about any hazard they may encounter. Also, I did ask > the list if anyone knew where I could get a cheep power supply. I'm not joining in the flame-sam-fest, just offering some honest advice. I very much appreciate some of the things that you bring to this group, and can still live with any of the things that I don't appreciate. I think it might help to appease the people who might otherwise bash you, if you use a subject that accurately portrays the contents of your message, and when it doesn't apply to Linux if you mark the message as OT. I don't find anything offensive or annoying about the things you e-mail to the group, but I can understand how people might become annoyed when they often times get e-mails to you that are off-topic or that they just can't tell what the message will possibly contain until they open it. I do often go through and delete a thread without even reading the message just based on the subject. I know that some things just don't interest me. ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Apr 21 11:57:24 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> References: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Apr 21, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Clay Fandre wrote: > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? I think if you quit for for a better reason than that jackass had you'd be sorely missed. Yeah the war sux, yes its pointless and stupid, yes our goverment does things we don't like. But seriously, these pointless political statements by people accomplish nothing but make them looks like morons. As if someone is going to say "Gee, now we should pull out of Iraq cause some jackass who has nothing to do with anything resigned from a linux user group". Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Frankly, I think it would have been better had he set himself on fire like those radicals did during Vietnam, at least that way he could get a darwin award. > http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml > > How about a webpoll? > > How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? > 1. My life would no longer have meaning > 2. I would be sad > 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it > 4. I would have a beer and celebrate > 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. > 6. Clay who? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Apr 21 12:09:42 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> References: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> Message-ID: <16518.43734.370401.614808@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Do you think we should tell him that the military uses food, too? Maybe he'd go on a hunger strike or rip out his vegetable garden.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Apr 21 12:13:00 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:32:30 -0500 > From: Sam MacDonald > Standing up for what one believes in is very important. If we don't our > conscience will drive us crazy. Sam, I agree with you 100% that standing up for your beliefs is important. I haven't seen anything on this list that questions that. It's just that this item is a non-story. Someone stepped down from a group of self-involved geeks... and he also doesn't like what our country did in Iraq. So what? Do you think Linux should be restricted as to who uses it and how? I don't. And even if I did, I cannot imagine any way to do that now that it has already been released under the GPL. Mr. Claiborne wrote that he is distancing himself from "an insular collection of geeks that can get along just fine without me." That will probably make life better for both him and the group. He seems to forget that while the "Mr. Smiths" of the world have Linux, so do we, and what a better tool to have than that? He said in an interview that he thinks the issue of military use of Linux needs a vigorous debate. I don't agree with him, and I hope I don't have to participate in one, save this: I believe that ANY restriction on its use cannot be fair or just. He even states that his stepping down has "nothing directly" to do with his stance on the Iraq war. But if his stepping down does indeed get him to focus his "energy around things that matter more" then the world will be a better place. People do this kind of thing every day. Most of them deserve more press than Mr. Claiborne got. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 21 12:16:24 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <1082565150.2949.113.camel@angband> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <1082565150.2949.113.camel@angband> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Standing up for what one believes in is very important. If we don't our > conscience will drive us crazy. > > Good for him. The problem is, at least according to that article, he's saying "The US military uses Linux, and they are in Iraq, therefore I can't use Linux." There's no logic to that statement - Linux is free for everyone to use, so there is no way to control it. Like a comment on Slashdot said, all the major vehicle companies also make parts for the military; does that mean he's going to stop driving his car? (Actually, that argument would make more sense than his Linux one, but ah well.) In any case, there may be more we're not seeing here - it could be that members of his user's group are supporting the military's use of Linux, and he has a problem with that, so he doesn't want to head the group anymore. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 21 12:52:10 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082569929.2949.115.camel@angband> Good advice Justin, thank you. Sam. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 11:55, Justin Kremer wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > I did a review of the place I purchased a power supply. (I did have one > > person on the list ask for the phone number.) > > In that review I was warning anyone with a problem with cigarette smoke > > about the environment. If I tell someone about something I feel they > > should be informed about any hazard they may encounter. Also, I did ask > > the list if anyone knew where I could get a cheep power supply. > > I'm not joining in the flame-sam-fest, just offering some honest advice. > I very much appreciate some of the things that you bring to this group, > and can still live with any of the things that I don't appreciate. > I think it might help to appease the people who might otherwise bash you, > if you use a subject that accurately portrays the contents of your > message, and when it doesn't apply to Linux if you mark the message as OT. > I don't find anything offensive or annoying about the things you e-mail to > the group, but I can understand how people might become annoyed when they > often times get e-mails to you that are off-topic or that they just can't > tell what the message will possibly contain until they open it. I do > often go through and delete a thread without even reading the message just > based on the subject. I know that some things just don't interest me. > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From CAGAHLON at stthomas.edu Wed Apr 21 13:32:34 2004 From: CAGAHLON at stthomas.edu (Gahlon, Christopher A.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! Message-ID: <200404211332.35018.cagahlon@stthomas.edu> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 12:09 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Do you think we should tell him that the military uses food, too? > > Maybe he'd go on a hunger strike or rip out his vegetable > garden.... Just don't tell him the military also uses clothing... -- Christopher A. Gahlon /(bb|[^b]{2})/ that is the question. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Apr 21 14:14:25 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD527D18@owa.compellent.com> I think the problem could be solved in about 4 minutes by telling him that the military uses air. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Gahlon, Christopher A. Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:33 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I quit! On Wednesday 21 April 2004 12:09 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Do you think we should tell him that the military uses food, too? > > Maybe he'd go on a hunger strike or rip out his vegetable > garden.... Just don't tell him the military also uses clothing... -- Christopher A. Gahlon /(bb|[^b]{2})/ that is the question. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Wed Apr 21 15:15:19 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cyrus Imap - invalid header msg Message-ID: <4086D657.3010205@hissingdragon.net> Hey. I'm experimenting with running a Cyrus Imap server (Debian/unstable). Its up and running, but I find that I am unable to drag n drop messages from a Courier account to the Cyrus (via either mozilla or evolution). Copy from my exchange account works fine. From googling around, appears Cyrus doesn't like the format of the 'From' lines from some messages; gives me a message about 'invalid headers' when trying to do the copy. Is there some simple config switch in Cyrus I'm missing? The messages in the Courier account could be massaged by a perl search/replace script in the Maildir, but seems silly to have to do that. ~jh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Apr 21 15:16:14 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD527D18@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Apr 21 15:14:36 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: Do we have a local mirror? Will it be available at the Installfest? Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > rware@interplastic.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:55 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] I quit! > > > "I like SELinux. We plan to use it in our next release of AshcroftProof > Linux" paranoia is running high. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clay Fandre [SMTP:clay@fandre.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:22 AM > > To: tclug-list > > Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! > > > > I wonder if I would get as much press if I quit? > > > > http://technology.newsforge.com/technology/04/04/20/2229245.shtml > > > > How about a webpoll? > > > > How would you feel if Clay resigned as TCLUG president? > > 1. My life would no longer have meaning > > 2. I would be sad > > 3. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it > > 4. I would have a beer and celebrate > > 5. Finally. Now we can get someone who has a clue run this group. > > 6. Clay who? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 21 15:42:05 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? Short answer - no. Long answer - grep through the raw device and hope for the best. It /is/ doable, if you're lucky, but I don't think there's anything with the word 'easy' on it. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Wed Apr 21 15:52:55 2004 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? References: Message-ID: <008c01c427e2$a0ea2c50$d320140a@qlogic.org> Midnight Commander has a built in undelete utility (depending on which version you have.) There are some other tools online that can help you with this, but I have not used them. You can always google for the Linux file undelete howto, but the methods described within are anything but simple. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) > > TIA, > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 21 15:51:19 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD527D18@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040421205119.GH14502@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 21 15:52:59 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD527D18@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040421155259.A4224@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:16:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) What file system are you using? There are several possible tools for ext2 file systems, including e2undel and recover. The file manager Midnight commander has undelete capabilities as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Wed Apr 21 16:01:10 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404211601.10802.bmaas@open-techsys.com> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:16 pm, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) Yes, well, maybe, but its probably too late now. In the ext2 and ext3 file systems one of the extended file attributes is "u", or "undeleteable". However, it has to be set before you actually delete the file. Support also has to be compiled into the kernel I believe. See the chattr(1) man page for more details. > TIA, > Chris Your welcome. -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Apr 21 16:05:05 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: <008c01c427e2$a0ea2c50$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: Hmmm, yeah, I think this user is SOL. Don't have that much spare time.. Thanks I'll check that out if I lose something of mine ;-) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Nemchenko Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? Midnight Commander has a built in undelete utility (depending on which version you have.) There are some other tools online that can help you with this, but I have not used them. You can always google for the Linux file undelete howto, but the methods described within are anything but simple. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) > > TIA, > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Wed Apr 21 16:04:04 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: <200404211601.10802.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <200404211601.10802.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <200404211604.04632.bmaas@open-techsys.com> I'd like to amend my comments. I've never used this attribute myself. On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:01 pm, Ben Maas wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:16 pm, Christopher wrote: > > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) > > Yes, well, maybe, but its probably too late now. > > In the ext2 and ext3 file systems one of the extended file attributes is > "u", or "undeleteable". However, it has to be set before you actually > delete the file. Support also has to be compiled into the kernel I > believe. > > See the chattr(1) man page for more details. > > > TIA, > > Chris > > Your welcome. -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Apr 21 16:27:05 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: <20040421155259.A4224@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: ext3 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Crumley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:16:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) What file system are you using? There are several possible tools for ext2 file systems, including e2undel and recover. The file manager Midnight commander has undelete capabilities as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Wed Apr 21 14:39:20 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lexmark printer not working In-Reply-To: <20040420205327.GB3936@wookimus.net> References: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> <20040420205327.GB3936@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4086CDE8.6010403@onvoymail.com> Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > > >>Can anyone give a clue why my lexmark 1100 print won't print from >>linux. It works fine from windows. >> >> > >Perhaps it isn't a true Postscript printer? Perhaps you should be using >something like CUPS or lprng+magicfilter or lprng+foomatic to give the >printer the job in a format it can print? > >A quick google for "Linux Lexmark 1100" gives this: > >http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/lexmark-list/2001q2/000218.html > >Pretty good starting point... Lesson: Google is your Friend(tm) > > > Thanks that makes sense. I have done a lot of oneline searches and I will check this one out. Keep the options coming. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Wed Apr 21 16:54:39 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63E31@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> I have an interesting twist that is going to be introduced to my network here in the next month and I would like your opinion as to how to approach it. We currantly have an Internet connection through Comcast (cable). I then route this to two subnets and one webserver. We have been forced (no DSL in our area) to have our mailserver off site hooked up to DSL so that we could have a static IP. This going to change in May because we will have DSL on-site. We will be movig our mailserver so that everything is in one building. We are planning on keeping the Comcast connection (it's faster) and I need to incorporate this new DSL connection into our exiting network so that we have outside access and so that in-house mail traffic stays in-house. I hope that I have explained that well enough. Does anyone here have experience in anything similar? Anyone with a gateway with two out-side NIC's in it? Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Apr 21 17:07:15 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? Message-ID: I looked for file recovery under ext3 before and found specific articles that say ext3 is not recoverable like NTFS. Something about it being too efficient and such. Your best bet is to follow someone else's advice and grep through the raw data. Would it make sense to create 5 minute fast backups with hard links of user folders and deleting those links at the end of a day before the main backup? Would this create a kind of trash can effect? Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Christopher [mailto:christopher@7penguins.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? ext3 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Crumley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:16:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) What file system are you using? There are several possible tools for ext2 file systems, including e2undel and recover. The file manager Midnight commander has undelete capabilities as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 21 17:35:00 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404212235.i3LMZ0P23716@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: LVD scsi controller Anyone have an LVD scsi controller that they would sell for cheap? It doesn't need to be a RAID controller, but it does need to be PCI, have a 68 pin external interface and work with Linux (RedHat and Suse) Thanks http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 21 18:12:40 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040421231240.GI14502@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 21 20:39:15 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Doug Coats wrote: > I hope that I have explained that well enough. Does anyone here have > experience in anything similar? Anyone with a gateway with two out-side > NIC's in it? Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I did exactly this for about a year and a half, until I moved away from the land of decent DSL availability. Real Time DSL (with a /29) for servers, and Time Warner Cable for downloads. The default route was to the cable, with static routes for Real Time's netblocks pointing toward the DSL modem (no sense in wasting their upstream for downloads from Gladiator!). Also on the DSL side I had a DNS server, my mail server, and a couple web servers. Setup for the gateway was pretty simple; you can probably set up each interface normally (although probably leaving out the default gateway for the DSL side). Check back if you need any more specific pointers. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Wed Apr 21 21:13:13 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> References: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <40872A39.1080807@cascopoint.com> Doug Coats wrote: >I have an interesting twist that is going to be introduced to my network >here in the next month and I would like your opinion as to how to approach >it. > >We currantly have an Internet connection through Comcast (cable). I then >route this to two subnets and one webserver. We have been forced (no DSL in >our area) to have our mailserver off site hooked up to DSL so that we could >have a static IP. > >This going to change in May because we will have DSL on-site. We will be >movig our mailserver so that everything is in one building. We are planning >on keeping the Comcast connection (it's faster) and I need to incorporate >this new DSL connection into our exiting network so that we have outside >access and so that in-house mail traffic stays in-house. > >I hope that I have explained that well enough. Does anyone here have >experience in anything similar? Anyone with a gateway with two out-side >NIC's in it? Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > > the problem is not load balancing by itself ( linux will load balance over equal cost paths) but with routing. say you have a block of IPs from comcast and other from dsl provider, if you put up two defaults pointing to different ISP, you`ll end up sending the packets with source IP of one provider via the link of the other provider where it`ll eventually be dropped. what could be done: 1. get your own private IP block and announce it - hard, and may not be neccesary in your case 2. NAT + policy routing - very real :) In this case I`d assume that you have a real IP address from each provider. You put your gear behind NAT and inbound traffic destined to certain ports you NAT to internal IPs and vice versa. This is inbound traffic. For outbound you setup some policy routing, basically you can configure a linux box so that for example web traffic goes through this ISP and SMTP through this one. For more info look at LARTC.org or contact me I`ll help you out. For SMTP you can setup 2 MX records for your doiman zone pointing to different hostnames which in turn point to different IPs, this will give you some redundancy. But in this case you`ll not know via what link the pacet came and not now through which to send a subsequent responce. So you`d have to have some for of monitoring the link state so that when one fails then you start sending your traffic out of the active one. This could be done with a simple shell script that pings and if pings time out it executes the commands to switch the traffic over to other link. To sum this all up, it all depends on what you want to achieve, how much redundancy and reliabilty you need. The setup I`ve described has limitations, but is fairly reliable and cheap, and you`d not have to run routing protocols. Though of course best way to go is get a private space and run BGP, from what you told that would be an overkill and also it is quite expensive :) >Doug > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 21 21:26:21 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flashing Disk Drive Message-ID: <1082600780.2405.8.camel@angband> My Hard Disk light on my laptop keeps flashing, like every second. It did not do this until yesterday. X Windows is much slower then it was early yesterday. I was working with Gimp and it just started to get slow. Evolution is getting really slow as well it's even hung once. I'm thinking I may need to run a file system check of some kind. Any advice would be wonderful. Thanks in advance, Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Apr 21 21:39:14 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flashing Disk Drive In-Reply-To: <1082600780.2405.8.camel@angband> References: <1082600780.2405.8.camel@angband> Message-ID: <40873052.2090705@andersonfam.org> Sam MacDonald wrote: > My Hard Disk light on my laptop keeps flashing, like every second. > It did not do this until yesterday. > X Windows is much slower then it was early yesterday. > I was working with Gimp and it just started to get slow. > Evolution is getting really slow as well it's even hung once. > > I'm thinking I may need to run a file system check of some kind. > Any advice would be wonderful. Sam - you should grab and install the smartmontools package: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ (for some reason, the main site seems to be down. You can probably get a binary rpm/deb/ebuild/etc) Once installed, run the following: $ smartctl -a /dev/hdX or whatever your hard disk device is. Smart will spit out all kinds of diagnostic info about the drive. With smart, you can also tell the drive to do a self-diagnostic check. Read the man page for more details. Hope this helps! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Wed Apr 21 22:09:39 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! In-Reply-To: <200404211332.35018.cagahlon@stthomas.edu> References: <200404211332.35018.cagahlon@stthomas.edu> Message-ID: <200404212209.39919.lists@gahlon.com> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 13:32, Gahlon, Christopher A. wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 12:09 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Do you think we should tell him that the military uses food, too? > > > > Maybe he'd go on a hunger strike or rip out his vegetable > > garden.... > > Just don't tell him the military also uses clothing... Awe crapola. Could one of the admins remove my stthomas.edu email from the archives. I forgot to associate the right email address with the tclu-list in KMail. My apologies for the inconvenience. Thanks much! -- Christopher A. Gahlon There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 23:19:13 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <002501c427a5$8e1b56e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <40860282.9040301@nixbrain.com> <40863BCB.8070102@lorenburlingame.com> <1082549794.2949.28.camel@angband> <002501c427a5$8e1b56e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <408747C1.7010505@comcast.net> I heard about MPC through this list also, but I can't remember who to give credit to.....I've gotten some great deals at MPC, just wish they had more. Sometimes there's a bit of "noise" on this list, but I've come to accept that as a natural side effect of basic human companionship, whether in person or via an email list. IMHO, those who can't stand a little "noise" should get ear plugs. :-) Because the rest of us really don't mind it. Ta-ta for now and have a great day (actually night, as it's 11:19PM). Lawrence Clemens wrote: > I'd never have heard of MPC, if you hadn't reported on it a few months back. > Very helpful. -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 23:31:23 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> References: <000a01c427eb$3f1d5020$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <40874A9B.9030301@comcast.net> Heck yes! We are experimenting with a unit at my work that does just that. Takes two inbound DSL or cable connections and allows you to load balance between the two. In theory. We haven't had a lot of time for testing, so I'm not sure how good it is at load balancing. I can't remember the name of the unit, but I'll write myself a note and post tomorrow with the name and model of the unit. Todd Doug Coats wrote: > I have an interesting twist that is going to be introduced to my network > here in the next month and I would like your opinion as to how to approach > it. > > We currantly have an Internet connection through Comcast (cable). I then > route this to two subnets and one webserver. We have been forced (no DSL in > our area) to have our mailserver off site hooked up to DSL so that we could > have a static IP. > > This going to change in May because we will have DSL on-site. We will be > movig our mailserver so that everything is in one building. We are planning > on keeping the Comcast connection (it's faster) and I need to incorporate > this new DSL connection into our exiting network so that we have outside > access and so that in-house mail traffic stays in-house. > > I hope that I have explained that well enough. Does anyone here have > experience in anything similar? Anyone with a gateway with two out-side > NIC's in it? Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 23:28:05 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lexmark printer not working In-Reply-To: <4086CDE8.6010403@onvoymail.com> References: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> <20040420205327.GB3936@wookimus.net> <4086CDE8.6010403@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <408749D5.8020208@comcast.net> Just my humble opinion...... You couldn't give me a Lexmark printer. My dad has a USB Lexmark printer/scanner and the printer drivers don't even work correctly with Windows. He is running WinXP on a new Dell and he has to turn on the printer before turning on the PC. If he turns the PC on first and then decides he wants to print something, he has to restart the PC just to get it to acknowledge the printer. And don't tell me to reinstall the drivers, been there, done that....along with some other troubleshooting. Gave up, wasn't worth my time. And on another note, quite a few years ago I worked for a company that repaired printers, and some of them were dot matrix Lexmark printers. What a pile of crap. Key chassis components made out of cheap plastic that could not be repaired. We used WeldOn #4 (if I remember correctly) to repair chassis and case components on all makes of printers, but the Lexmarks could not be repaired, just thrown in the trash. Carl Lindholm wrote: > Chad Walstrom wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: >> >>> Can anyone give a clue why my lexmark 1100 print won't print from >>> linux. It works fine from windows. >> >> Perhaps it isn't a true Postscript printer? Perhaps you should be using >> something like CUPS or lprng+magicfilter or lprng+foomatic to give the >> printer the job in a format it can print? >> >> A quick google for "Linux Lexmark 1100" gives this: >> >> http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/lexmark-list/2001q2/000218.html >> >> Pretty good starting point... Lesson: Google is your Friend(tm) >> > Thanks that makes sense. I have done a lot of oneline searches and I > will check this one out. > Keep the options coming. -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Apr 22 01:01:15 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP docs Message-ID: <40875FAB.46DC5788@ppdonline.com> Hello, Does anyone know of documentation (other than just the man pages) for libldap from the OpenLDAP project? A good function reference would be nice but a user guide with examples etc... would be even better. Also, anyone have experience (good or bad) with this library? Thanks, Ben. PS I'm only interested in the client functionality from the library, that being the case can I use it without slapd and slurpd installed? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Thu Apr 22 07:23:45 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! References: <20040421152139.GH17144@fandre.com> <16518.43734.370401.614808@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <003701c42864$a846f640$6401a8c0@xp2100> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Clay Fandre" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [TCLUG] I quit! > Do you think we should tell him that the military uses food, too? > > Maybe he'd go on a hunger strike or rip out his vegetable garden.... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > As a former airborne infantryman and gulf war vet im kinda puzzled, if ya dont like whats going on in Iraq dont blame the Army, they just take orders, the current administration in Washington makes the decisions, get out and vote, lol P.S. GO ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Apr 22 08:26:07 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082640366.18050.119.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:07, Jeffery Rasmussen wrote: > I looked for file recovery under ext3 before and found specific articles > that say ext3 is not recoverable like NTFS. Something about it being too > efficient and such. Isn't ext3 just ext2 with a journaling system tacked on? The formatting is the same. I would think any tools that work for ext2 would work exactly the same for ext3. Am I wrong about this? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Thu Apr 22 08:42:52 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I saw a samba addition somewhere that creates a recycle bin like device... I'll look into it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeffery Rasmussen Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:07 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? I looked for file recovery under ext3 before and found specific articles that say ext3 is not recoverable like NTFS. Something about it being too efficient and such. Your best bet is to follow someone else's advice and grep through the raw data. Would it make sense to create 5 minute fast backups with hard links of user folders and deleting those links at the end of a day before the main backup? Would this create a kind of trash can effect? Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Christopher [mailto:christopher@7penguins.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? ext3 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Crumley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:16:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? > Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? > (a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) What file system are you using? There are several possible tools for ext2 file systems, including e2undel and recover. The file manager Midnight commander has undelete capabilities as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 09:03:37 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <20040422090337.A4335@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:19:27PM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Background: I thoughtlessly smoked my wife's friend's HD by reversing the > power plug to the drive. Although I have reached geezerhood status, I still > do stupid things. I also volunteer at rehabbing computer donations for a > non-profit, and I keep an eye on linux as a possible low cost operating > system for our low-income, computer unsavvy clients. But as you know > everything we get is Windows based. I haven't seen any recent response to you, so let me just make a quick comment. My guess is that the drive is fried. My guess is that the drive isn't even recognized when you boot-up. To be sure boot again either with Knoppix, or whatever distro you ended up installing. Then, right after booting run "dmesg" and send the results to the list. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.alitz at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 10:44:10 2004 From: david.alitz at earthlink.net (David Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4087E84A.1090607@earthlink.net> Add the recycle.so vfs object. Here's how I've got it set on my file server: From smb.conf [Global] section to enable a "recycle bin" on all shares: ======================================= vfs object = /usr/lib/samba/vfs/recycle.so vfs options = /etc/samba/recycle.conf ======================================= # recycle.conf # name of the recycle bin at root level of share name = .recycle/%U # mode : # KEEP_DIRECTORIES = retain directory hierarchy of deleted file, # i.e. recreate all directories in recycle bin # VERSIONS = create copies in case of identical file names in recycle bin # TOUCH = touch access date of files moved into the recycle bin mode = KEEP_DIRECTORIES|VERSIONS|TOUCH # maximum file size to be moved to the recycle bin (0 means any size) maxsize = 0 # exclude file names with the following extensions: exclude = *.tmp|*.temp|*.o|*.obj|~$* # exclude directories: excludedir = /tmp|/temp|/cache # Add file extensions of files where no versioning is wanted (i.e. copy # 1...) # only valid when mode=VERSIONS is set noversions = *.pst|*.exe Christopher wrote: >I saw a samba addition somewhere that creates a recycle bin like device... >I'll look into it. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeffery Rasmussen >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:07 PM >To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? > >I looked for file recovery under ext3 before and found specific articles >that say ext3 is not recoverable like NTFS. Something about it being too >efficient and such. > >Your best bet is to follow someone else's advice and grep through the raw >data. > >Would it make sense to create 5 minute fast backups with hard links of user >folders and deleting those links at the end of a day before the main backup? >Would this create a kind of trash can effect? > >Jeff Rasmussen > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher [mailto:christopher@7penguins.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:27 PM >To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? > > >ext3 > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Crumley >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Undelete / file recovery? > >On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:16:14PM -0500, Christopher wrote: > > >>Is there any sort file recovery software for linux? >>Something like undelete or Easy Recovery Pro? >>(a user deleted a file that wasn't backed up yet) >> >> > >What file system are you using? There are several possible tools for ext2 >file systems, including e2undel and recover. The file manager Midnight >commander has undelete capabilities as well. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Thu Apr 22 10:54:21 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <20040422090337.A4335@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001e01c42882$13f2b830$24fea8c0@LARRY> >From the Knoppix desktop I opened a command box and entered dmesg - nothing happened. I clicked on the hdb1 icon and a window to the sick drive opened (no files showed). Again I opened a command box and entered dmesg and clicked run and got "could not run the specified command". With a Mandrake drive as master, entering a command box and dmesg returned nothing. Am I doing this correctly? BTW when Mandrake booted it offered to configure the sick drive in several formats - EXT3, Fat 32. I declined and cancel out of that. Correct? Knoppix shows hdb icon on the desktop, while I only see evidence of it in Mandrake if I run Configure Hardware. It shows the drive, but I think I should not configure it. I suspect this all does not sound good, thanks for direction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crumley" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:19:27PM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > > Background: I thoughtlessly smoked my wife's friend's HD by reversing the > > power plug to the drive. Although I have reached geezerhood status, I still > > do stupid things. I also volunteer at rehabbing computer donations for a > > non-profit, and I keep an eye on linux as a possible low cost operating > > system for our low-income, computer unsavvy clients. But as you know > > everything we get is Windows based. > > > > I haven't seen any recent response to you, so let me just make a > quick comment. My guess is that the drive is fried. My guess is > that the drive isn't even recognized when you boot-up. To be > sure boot again either with Knoppix, or whatever distro you ended > up installing. Then, right after booting run "dmesg" and send > the results to the list. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 22 11:02:20 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl problem Message-ID: <00d501c42883$31649a40$8e0115ac@DELL2> I built a newer version of perl fom a src rpm (perl-5.6.1-36.1.71) Now I cannot start apache. Is there an easy fix for this? [root@webmail /root]# service httpd start Starting httpd: [Thu Apr 22 10:37:22 2004] [error] Can't locate strict.pm in @IN C (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/ perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/s ite_perl . /etc/httpd/ /etc/httpd/lib/perl) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i3 86-linux/Apache.pm line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/A pache.pm line 3. Compilation failed in require at (eval 1) line 3. Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Apr 22 11:17:05 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl problem In-Reply-To: <00d501c42883$31649a40$8e0115ac@DELL2> References: <00d501c42883$31649a40$8e0115ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040422161705.GA23317@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 11:02:20AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I built a newer version of perl fom a src rpm (perl-5.6.1-36.1.71) > > Now I cannot start apache. Is there an easy fix for this? > Looks like your Apache (with mod_perl?) is looking for 5.6.0, which apparently was clobbered by the 5.6.1 install. One option would be to rebuild Apache to use your new Perl install. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Thu Apr 22 10:02:30 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lexmark printer not working In-Reply-To: <408749D5.8020208@comcast.net> References: <408550C5.5060208@onvoymail.com> <20040420205327.GB3936@wookimus.net> <4086CDE8.6010403@onvoymail.com> <408749D5.8020208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4087DE86.4000406@onvoymail.com> Todd Young wrote: > Just my humble opinion...... > > You couldn't give me a Lexmark printer. > > My dad has a USB Lexmark printer/scanner and the printer drivers don't > even work correctly with Windows. He is running WinXP on a new Dell > and he has to turn on the printer before turning on the PC. If he > turns the PC on first and then decides he wants to print something, he > has to restart the PC just to get it to acknowledge the printer. And > don't tell me to reinstall the drivers, been there, done that....along > with some other troubleshooting. Gave up, wasn't worth my time. > > And on another note, quite a few years ago I worked for a company that > repaired printers, and some of them were dot matrix Lexmark printers. > What a pile of crap. Key chassis components made out of cheap plastic > that could not be repaired. We used WeldOn #4 (if I remember > correctly) to repair chassis and case components on all makes of > printers, but the Lexmarks could not be repaired, just thrown in the > trash. > > Carl Lindholm wrote: > >> Chad Walstrom wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone give a clue why my lexmark 1100 print won't print from >>>> linux. It works fine from windows. >>> >>> >>> Perhaps it isn't a true Postscript printer? Perhaps you should be >>> using >>> something like CUPS or lprng+magicfilter or lprng+foomatic to give the >>> printer the job in a format it can print? >>> >>> A quick google for "Linux Lexmark 1100" gives this: >>> >>> http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/lexmark-list/2001q2/000218.html >>> >>> Pretty good starting point... Lesson: Google is your Friend(tm) >>> >> Thanks that makes sense. I have done a lot of oneline searches and I >> will check this one out. >> Keep the options coming. > > I agree but I'm stuck with it. we used have an HP worked great but it die. :-( I did get it atleast to talk but it won't print yet. Makes life a pain having to save things to a samba share then reboot to windows to print. I understand that the reason we don't have good drivers is Microsoft won't let them release the specs. I read that some where. could be wrong. most times am, according to my wife :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Thu Apr 22 12:42:57 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet Message-ID: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an alternative? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Apr 22 14:16:28 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040422191628.GA25870@therub.org> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? This has been beat to death in the past, but I'll bite (search the archives, too). Cable has faster download but crappy upload. With qwest, you can get pretty decent download and pretty good upload, too. If you're going to be running a web/email/whatever server out of your house, I'd go with qwest. For just regular consumer internet uses, go with cable. If you do go with qworst, do not use their isp (msn, i think?). There are a bunch of good, local isp's that will be much more user friendly. Again, take a look at the archives the ISP topic comes up regularily. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Apr 22 14:11:03 2004 From: jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Joe Stuart) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet Message-ID: Get cable if you can it may be a little more expensive, but it's way faster as far as download speed is concerned. >>> lindholm@onvoymail.com 04/22/04 12:42PM >>> Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an alternative? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Apr 22 14:12:09 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? Depends on your location and what you mean by "Qwest DSL". You can have Qwest deliver the line, but use someone else, like I'd recommend visi.com, for the ISP part. Depending on where you live, your cable TV provider might also offer broadband, which is usually a little higher latency (worse for gaming) but higher bandwidth (better for surfing). Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Apr 22 14:11:12 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com>; from lindholm@onvoymail.com on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500 References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040422141112.D16784@thinkunix.net> Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? I have Qwest DSL but use Visi as my ISP. Qwest is notoriously a pain to work with but once it's up and running it seems to work ok. I highly recommend Visi though. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 22 14:22:35 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet Message-ID: I can recommend Speakeasy for DSL service. http://www.speakeasy.net/ http://www.speakeasy.net/promos/bribe/?source=hp 1-800-890-5561 >>> lindholm@onvoymail.com 04/22/04 12:42PM >>> Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an alternative? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 14:22:12 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <001e01c42882$13f2b830$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <20040422090337.A4335@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <001e01c42882$13f2b830$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <20040422142212.A4470@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:54:21AM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > >From the Knoppix desktop I opened a command box and entered dmesg - nothing > happened. I clicked on the hdb1 icon and a window to the sick drive opened > (no files showed). Again I opened a command box and entered dmesg and > clicked run and got "could not run the specified command". If what you mean by a command box is a terminal window like xterm (ie a window that gives sensible results if you type ls in), then what you are saying seems right to me. To double check something wasn't funky with Knoppix, I just booted into Knoppix 3.2. Immediately after booting I open a Konsole (Window/shell icon) and type dmesg. I get several pages of results. To concentrate on the relevant results, I try dmesg | grep hd which only give lines containing the text hd and I get: Kernel command line: ####################### =/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 initrd=miniroot.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz ide_setup: hda=scsi ide_setup: hdb=scsi ide_setup: hdc=scsi ide_setup: hdd=scsi ide_setup: hde=scsi ide_setup: hdf=scsi ide_setup: hdg=scsi ide_setup: hdh=scsi ide0: BM-DMA at 0x24a0-0x24a7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x24a8-0x24af, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: WDC WD800BB-00CAA0, ATA DISK drive hdc: CD-W540E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: Compaq CD-ROM SC-148E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=10337/240/63 ide-cd: passing drive hdc to ide-scsi emulation. ide-cd: passing drive hdd to ide-scsi emulation. hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 > hda4 The most relevant lines are the lines that start with ide0: through the line that starts with hdd:. These lines tell me the setting for my two ide chains and what devices were found. If you don't see a hdd: line for the harddrive that you are trying to save, then I don't think there is anything you can do from Linux. Since it sounds like you Knoppix gave you an icon for this disk, I bet that you will have an hdb: (or similar) line. So, I think my guess was wrong. I'll take a look at your old messages again and see if I see any hints as to whay dd didn't work for you. > With a Mandrake drive as master, entering a command box and dmesg returned > nothing. Odd, I don't understand why you aren't getting results. Oh, wait are you using Run Command from the KDE menu or something similar? If so, that's the problem. By default, those don't return output. Try a Konsole or xterm Window instead. > Am I doing this correctly? > > BTW when Mandrake booted it offered to configure the sick drive in several > formats - EXT3, Fat 32. I declined and cancel out of that. Correct? Yes, don't let it re-format the drive. > Knoppix shows hdb icon on the desktop, while I only see evidence of it in > Mandrake if I run Configure Hardware. It shows the drive, but I think I > should not configure it. > > I suspect this all does not sound good, thanks for direction. It doesn't sound great, but its better than I thought from my glance through ths thread. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Apr 22 14:26:51 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <1082662009.11183.33.camel@unixws1> For DSL, I think most on the list would agree that getting the DSL through Qwest and the internet service through a local provider is a better option than "Qwest DSL" with MSN as the provider. Alternatives would be cable, or DSL through whichever of the small DSL providers is still in business today. Are you most interested in price, or support (friendliness/hours/Linux/whatever), or reliability, or long-term stability (and price stability)? Many on the list have Qwest DSL through a myriad of local ISP's, and can give you recommendations based on what you're looking for. The nice thing about Qwest DSL is being able to choose a local ISP that you're comfortable with - and if, after a few months you aren't happy with them, you can switch. On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 12:42, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 22 14:27:36 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <40881CA8.9030001@cascopoint.com> Matt Murphy wrote: >>Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an >>alternative? >> >> > > Depends on your location and what you mean by "Qwest DSL". You >can have Qwest deliver the line, but use someone else, like I'd >recommend visi.com, for the ISP part. Depending on where you live, your >cable TV provider might also offer broadband, which is usually a little >higher latency (worse for gaming) but higher bandwidth (better for >surfing). > > well, I have mediacom cable and surfing is so bad with the latency I get ( 400 ms) so that depends on the location, cable can easily be oversold. >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Thu Apr 22 14:18:57 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: I highly recommend www.speakeasy.net no pppoe, and they allow servers, static ips aren't hard to get either -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Carl Lindholm Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:43 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an alternative? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Apr 22 14:28:51 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040422192851.GA9889@refried.org> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? It all depends on where you live. You could have the choice between any one or two of Qwest, Frontier, Comcast, Charter, Time Warner or (insert other phone or cable company here). In general you have the choice between DSL and cable. From there you need to decide how much bandwidth you want and what you want to do with it. Some ISP's don't allow you to run services and some block them outright. So doing more research is key. Knowing who is available where you live is the first step. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 22 14:19:06 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address Message-ID: <4287.156.98.100.45.1082661546.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> The other day we had a NIC broadcasting some bogus IPX SAP info. I got the MAC address because our Netware servers were all displaying the MAC info while complaining. Using all the tools at hand, I was unable to track it down. I viewed the router's ARP table, no luck there. I narrowed it down to one ethernet segment and strated up ethereal. No luck, this MAC address wasn't showing up anywhere. Is there a good tool to view all the MAC addresses connected to a specific segment? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Apr 22 14:31:15 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <20040422191628.GA25870@therub.org> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> <20040422191628.GA25870@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040422193115.GB9889@refried.org> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:16:28PM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > > alternative? > > Again, take a look at the archives the ISP topic comes up regularily. Looks specifically for "ISP review." A bunch of people posted reviews of their ISP about 6 months ago. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Apr 22 14:37:21 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40881CA8.9030001@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <002201c428a1$3b1341e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > well, I have mediacom cable and surfing is so bad with the > latency I get > ( 400 ms) so that depends on the location, cable can easily > be oversold. Ouch! You poor soul, you must live in the suburbs. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Thu Apr 22 14:29:13 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <3567.216.70.45.162.1082662153.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> > Depending on where you live, your > cable TV provider might also offer broadband, which is usually a little > higher latency (worse for gaming) but higher bandwidth (better for > surfing). Which cable company do you have? I found the exact opposite to be the case. When I went from DSL to cable my ping times were cut in half. But that is my experience. That is with comcast. -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 22 14:45:39 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <3567.216.70.45.162.1082662153.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <3567.216.70.45.162.1082662153.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040422194539.GQ14502@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 22 14:40:53 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet Message-ID: I should mention where I found them and others: http://www.broadbandreports.com/ >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 04/22/04 02:22PM >>> I can recommend Speakeasy for DSL service. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Apr 22 14:47:54 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <3567.216.70.45.162.1082662153.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: <002301c428a2$b4688c20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Which cable company do you have? I found the exact opposite > to be the case. When I went from DSL to cable my ping times > were cut in half. But that is my experience. That is with comcast. I moved from Qwest/Visi DSL to Time Warner cable in Uptown. My pings went up, but my bandwidth went up as well. Moving to NE Mpls, still with TW, my pings have dropped a little, tho still not as good as visi. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 14:52:34 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <20040422145234.A4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:19:27PM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > This is an update..... > > > > Background: I thoughtlessly smoked my wife's friend's HD by reversing the > power plug to the drive. Although I have reached geezerhood status, I still > do stupid things. I also volunteer at rehabbing computer donations for a > non-profit, and I keep an eye on linux as a possible low cost operating > system for our low-income, computer unsavvy clients. But as you know > everything we get is Windows based. > Brian also suggested dd ing the drive and pulling an image and then TCT for > data. Dan Rue suggested a similar approach with dd. Ben Maas suggested > using dd_rescue > (http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ and gave me a script > > cd ~ > mkdir recover > cd recover > dd_rescue /dev/hdb ./bad_disk.img > ... up to several hours later ... > dosfsck -a -V ./bad_disk.img > mount ./bad_disk.img /mnt/tmp > ls /mnt/tmp > > This sounds like a very powerful approach at the dd_rescue web page, what I > could understand of it. > > > So that's the update. Thanks to Brian for prodding me along. It could be > a long summer, but apart from the volunteer thing that is heating up, I may > yet conquer linux - out here in the garage with the dog and out of my wife's > baleful eye. Mandrake 10 looks promising. Ok, I should have read more carefully before. You don't need to mount a drive in order to copy using dd. The hard drive icon that Knoppix gave you is just a convenience. It does not really mean that Knoppix is having any more luck with the drive than Mandrake. The list of commands you have above should work equally well for either Knoppix or Mandrake, assuming dd_rescue is installed. One important point is that you will have to run these commands as root. Also, for the mount command you will probably need to use something more like: mount -t vfat -o loop ./bad_disk.img /mnt where the thing -t is whatever filesystem type you are trying to recover - probably either vfat or ntfs. Anyway, run these commands from a Konsole or xterm, and report back your results. Hopefully this will work. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Apr 22 14:51:14 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One thing to keep in mind: I have Comcast cable, and if it goes down, I'm without Internet. With many third-party ISP's, such as Vis(?) you may be able to have backup dial-in access. It won't help for any sites you host, but having access to e-mail even when your broadband is down, or when travelling, can be very nice. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Apr 22 14:48:37 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address In-Reply-To: <4287.156.98.100.45.1082661546.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <4287.156.98.100.45.1082661546.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1082663314.11183.39.camel@unixws1> If you suspect it's in the same IP network as you (that is, your traffic to that machine wouldn't go through the router - it's a local address) - you can do a ping sweep of the entire network and (if it's running IP and is still plugged in, has a transmit pair, and is not otherwise being tricky), you should have it in your ARP table on your local machine for a few minutes. That will probably get you the IP address. If the thing is still potentially broadcasting traffic, you can use tcpdump and specify the mac address as the source host - and probably get the IP that way (again, if there is an IP to be had...) On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 14:19, Brian wrote: > The other day we had a NIC broadcasting some bogus IPX SAP info. I got > the MAC address because our Netware servers were all displaying the MAC > info while complaining. > > Using all the tools at hand, I was unable to track it down. I viewed the > router's ARP table, no luck there. I narrowed it down to one ethernet > segment and strated up ethereal. No luck, this MAC address wasn't showing > up anywhere. > > Is there a good tool to view all the MAC addresses connected to a specific > segment? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Apr 22 15:05:17 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > It won't help for any sites you host, but having access to > e-mail even > when your broadband is down, or when travelling, can be very nice. How many people with broadband still have a land line? I haven't had a land line in two years, and good riddance! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Thu Apr 22 15:13:48 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> I still have one, but I hardly use it. But when I travel it is nice. It is an earthlink account and I think it costs to much for the amount I use it. Does anyone know of a dialup that can be used nation wide (without paying extra) that costs less than earthlink? It can be limited in usage as I do not use it that much. Thanks. -Erik >> It won't help for any sites you host, but having access to >> e-mail even >> when your broadband is down, or when travelling, can be very nice. > > How many people with broadband still have a land line? I haven't > had a land line in two years, and good riddance! > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Apr 22 15:13:06 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040422201306.GV673@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Apr 22 15:14:45 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408827B5.5020703@cdf123.com> Troy.A Johnson wrote: >I can recommend Speakeasy for DSL service. > >http://www.speakeasy.net/ >http://www.speakeasy.net/promos/bribe/?source=hp >1-800-890-5561 > > I can second that. Their pricing is higher than some of the others out there, but their service, and linux support is great. They'll even walk you through setting up your email accounts in kmail/evolution/mozillla. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 22 15:22:49 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq Message-ID: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Does anyone have experience putting linux on an iPaq? I've got an iPaq I never use and I figure it's time I do something fun with it. The main part I'm missing is a serial cradle. Does anyone have a serial cradle they could bring to the installfest? I think it'd be a fun project to work on, and I'd appreciate any help if anyone's done it before. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 15:50:26 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <20040422194539.GQ14502@wookimus.net> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> <001c01c4289d$b5905c90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <3567.216.70.45.162.1082662153.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> <20040422194539.GQ14502@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040422155026.B4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:45:39PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > We have comcast, and I'm happy with it overall. I will be hosting my > own colocated server at a friend's house, who happens to have a static > DSL setup. Email and Web services make uploads important. With cable, > the slower upload speeds become a burden. Upload is a problem for you with email? How many users are you serving, or what are they sending? I am just surprised because I don't any problems running a web site serving fairly large pictures off my cable connection. I probably rarely get more than 2 users at a time, but each short visit probably pushes more bytes than I get in email in a day. Maybe I have a good uplink - I typically get 30-40 Kbytes/s up 200-250 KBytes/s down. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu Apr 22 15:59:30 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address Message-ID: I have seen MAC addresses when I run etherape but I believe etherape uses ethereal to pick up its information. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address The other day we had a NIC broadcasting some bogus IPX SAP info. I got the MAC address because our Netware servers were all displaying the MAC info while complaining. Using all the tools at hand, I was unable to track it down. I viewed the router's ARP table, no luck there. I narrowed it down to one ethernet segment and strated up ethereal. No luck, this MAC address wasn't showing up anywhere. Is there a good tool to view all the MAC addresses connected to a specific segment? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 15:55:26 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040422155526.C4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 03:05:17PM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote: > How many people with broadband still have a land line? I haven't > had a land line in two years, and good riddance! Yeah, I still have a landline, but I don't have (or want) a cell phone ;). My cable connection drops often enough that I really wouldn't comfortable dropping the landline yet. Though I would like to play with VOIP one of these days. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Apr 22 16:09:11 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:13:48 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Erik Hanson" > I still have one, but I hardly use it. But when I travel it is nice. > It is an earthlink account and I think it costs to much for the amount I > use it. Does anyone know of a dialup that can be used nation wide > (without paying extra) that costs less than earthlink? It can be > limited in usage as I do not use it that much. > > Thanks. > -Erik www.550access.com They charge (wait for it....) $5.50 a month and have local numbers all over the country from partnerships they have. And in the past few months, you now get e-mail included! That's for 150 hours a month. And if you want to get REALLY fancy, for $7.95, you get their spiffy high speed dialup (using compression or caching or whatever it is). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 22 15:48:39 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Erik Hanson wrote: > I still have one, but I hardly use it. But when I travel it is nice. > It is an earthlink account and I think it costs to much for the amount I > use it. Does anyone know of a dialup that can be used nation wide > (without paying extra) that costs less than earthlink? It can be > limited in usage as I do not use it that much. If you've got Time Warner cable, you can switch to Earthlink cable (exact same service, except you use their mail servers, news servers, etc instead of RR's), save a couple bucks a month, and get like 40 hours of Earthlink dialup included. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Apr 22 16:19:11 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: My coworker has been bugging me to do it for him, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. You can get a "spare" usb/serial cable for $15 or so online, that should be sufficient. The popular site that walks through that (the name escapes me) has step by step instructions, so you shouldn't really be able to go wrong, there. If I get around to it on mine, I'll look you up and see if you still need help. John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq > > Does anyone have experience putting linux on an iPaq? I've > got an iPaq I never use and I figure it's time I do something > fun with it. > > The main part I'm missing is a serial cradle. Does anyone > have a serial cradle they could bring to the installfest? I > think it'd be a fun project to work on, and I'd appreciate > any help if anyone's done it before. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Apr 22 16:36:23 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: ; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 04:09:11PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040422163623.A19365@thinkunix.net> Chris Schumann wrote: > www.550access.com They charge (wait for it....) $5.50 a month and have > local numbers all over the country from partnerships they have. And in the > past few months, you now get e-mail included! That's for 150 hours a > month. > > And if you want to get REALLY fancy, for $7.95, you get their spiffy high > speed dialup (using compression or caching or whatever it is). their website doesn't look too Linux/*nix friendly... Are you using this service with Linux? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Thu Apr 22 16:24:23 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <20040422145234.A4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <004701c428b0$2ef8a9e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Jim, after I learned what a Konsole is and then copied the output to a floppy, here is what dmesg | grep hd returned in a system where a disk with Mandrake was master and the sick drive was slave: hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } hda: 15698592 sectors (8038 MB) w/69KiB Cache, CHS=1038/240/63 hdb: attached ide-disk driver. hdb: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdb: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } hdb: 8404830 sectors (4303 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=555/240/63 ide-cd: passing drive hdc to ide-scsi emulation. ide-cd: passing drive hdd to ide-scsi emulation. hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. hdd: attached ide-scsi driver. hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 hda6 > hdb: [PTBL] [523/255/63] hdb1 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8404760, sector=8404760 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 8404760 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=8403864, sector=8403864 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 8403864 knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ Also I do not have the dd_rescue utility installed as that is presently beyond my capabilty to download and compile or something like that. If a dos bootdisk showed C: (I think it does) would A:\fdisk /mbr or sys C: do any harm to this disk? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crumley" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:19:27PM -0500, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > > This is an update..... > > > > > > > > Background: I thoughtlessly smoked my wife's friend's HD by reversing the > > power plug to the drive. Although I have reached geezerhood status, I still > > do stupid things. I also volunteer at rehabbing computer donations for a > > non-profit, and I keep an eye on linux as a possible low cost operating > > system for our low-income, computer unsavvy clients. But as you know > > everything we get is Windows based. > > > > > Brian also suggested dd ing the drive and pulling an image and then TCT for > > data. Dan Rue suggested a similar approach with dd. Ben Maas suggested > > using dd_rescue > > (http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ and gave me a script > > > > cd ~ > > mkdir recover > > cd recover > > dd_rescue /dev/hdb ./bad_disk.img > > ... up to several hours later ... > > dosfsck -a -V ./bad_disk.img > > mount ./bad_disk.img /mnt/tmp > > ls /mnt/tmp > > > > This sounds like a very powerful approach at the dd_rescue web page, what I > > could understand of it. > > > > > > > So that's the update. Thanks to Brian for prodding me along. It could be > > a long summer, but apart from the volunteer thing that is heating up, I may > > yet conquer linux - out here in the garage with the dog and out of my wife's > > baleful eye. Mandrake 10 looks promising. > > Ok, I should have read more carefully before. You don't need to > mount a drive in order to copy using dd. The hard drive icon > that Knoppix gave you is just a convenience. It does not really > mean that Knoppix is having any more luck with the drive than > Mandrake. > > The list of commands you have above should work equally well for > either Knoppix or Mandrake, assuming dd_rescue is installed. One > important point is that you will have to run these commands as > root. Also, for the mount command you will probably need to use > something more like: > mount -t vfat -o loop ./bad_disk.img /mnt > where the thing -t is whatever filesystem type you are trying to > recover - probably either vfat or ntfs. > > Anyway, run these commands from a Konsole or xterm, and report > back your results. > > Hopefully this will work. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Apr 22 16:29:24 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040422212923.GA17538@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Apr 22, 2004), Jeffery Rasmussen was madly tapping out: > > I have seen MAC addresses when I run etherape but I believe etherape > uses ethereal to pick up its information. if you have decent switching infrastructure you should be able to pinpoint the port and the vlan that the mac address is showing up on. when you have that information you can snake your way back through the switches and the wiring to find the offending device. this works regardless of the L3 protocol in use. from an ios based switch in my lab... mgmt-sw2#sh mac-address-table dynamic Mac Address Table ------------------------------------------- Vlan Mac Address Type Ports ---- ----------- -------- ----- 10 0005.ddc0.9901 DYNAMIC Fa0/18 10 000d.6535.ec71 DYNAMIC Fa0/2 10 000f.249a.43a0 DYNAMIC Fa0/1 10 0030.194c.9f00 DYNAMIC Fa0/23 10 00d0.ba04.d6ab DYNAMIC Gi0/1 10 0800.20a0.576b DYNAMIC Gi0/1 1 0050.538d.2800 DYNAMIC Fa0/16 if i wanted to put the smack down on the device with mac address 0030.194c.9f00 on fa0/23 but i had several devices strung off that port on the switch, i'd put a mac-address acl in place. then start the manual and painful hunt for the offending device. if there's a mess of hubs and such strung together start the binary tree search for the device with a laptop and access to yank cables. let this be a lesson as to why flat L2 networks are bad things. ;-) here's a config snippet for the mac acl. mac access-list extended foo deny host 0030.194c.9f00 any ! interface FastEthernet0/23 description -> c6400-2-nsp - e0/0/0 switchport access vlan 10 switchport mode access mac access-group foo in spanning-tree portfast ! if you lack switching infrastructure capable of doing something along these lines ... well, i'm sorry. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:19 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address > > > The other day we had a NIC broadcasting some bogus IPX SAP info. I > got the MAC address because our Netware servers were all displaying > the MAC info while complaining. > > Using all the tools at hand, I was unable to track it down. I > viewed the router's ARP table, no luck there. I narrowed it down to > one ethernet segment and strated up ethereal. No luck, this MAC > address wasn't showing up anywhere. > > Is there a good tool to view all the MAC addresses connected to a > specific segment? { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 16:47:51 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <20040422192851.GA9889@refried.org> Message-ID: Good point, Nate! FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with Charter for cable or Frontier for DSL. Both block port 25, and neither provides a means for me to do smtpauth with Earthlink. Each has some agreements with other ISPs (Visi, AOL) so some unbundled "wire services" are available, but neither has a deal with Earthlink, for example. Various workarounds may be possible, but without help or support. Bottom line is that service here is limited and quirky. This also means that WiFi hotspots (eg, some Surfthing sites) are also blocked. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org and > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of nate@refried.org > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > > alternative? > > It all depends on where you live. You could have the choice between any > one or two of Qwest, Frontier, Comcast, Charter, Time Warner or (insert > other phone or cable company here). In general you have the choice > between DSL and cable. From there you need to decide how much bandwidth > you want and what you want to do with it. Some ISP's don't allow you to > run services and some block them outright. > > So doing more research is key. Knowing who is available where you live > is the first step. > > Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Apr 22 16:56:33 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:36:23 -0500 > From: Scot Jenkins > Chris Schumann wrote: > > www.550access.com They charge (wait for it....) $5.50 a month and have > > local numbers all over the country from partnerships they have. And in > > the past few months, you now get e-mail included! That's for 150 hours > > a month. > > > > And if you want to get REALLY fancy, for $7.95, you get their spiffy > > high speed dialup (using compression or caching or whatever it is). > > their website doesn't look too Linux/*nix friendly... Are you using > this service with Linux? -- scot I'm not, since I mostly bought it for my sister. BUT, there was no software that you NEED to install (neither I nor my sister have it), and the standard Windows PPP works perfectly, so I suspect Linux will too. I could try it out, I suppose, but I haven't had a need to. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Apr 22 17:10:33 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c428b6$a1b32e50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with > Charter for cable or Frontier for DSL. Both block port 25, > and neither > provides a means for me to do smtpauth with Earthlink. Each > has some agreements with other ISPs (Visi, AOL) so some > unbundled "wire services" are available, but neither has a > deal with Earthlink, for example. Why would you want Earthlink when you can get Visi??? I have Earthlink with TW, and while their customer support is the best I've experienced with a national ISP, I'd still rather be back with visi. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Apr 22 17:38:11 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Sony Clie PEG-T615C Software CD? Message-ID: <20040422223811.GA7616@fireopal.org> Anyone have the software CD that ships with a Sony Clie PEG-T615C? I've just discovered that Sony does not make the full HotSync or Palm Desktop available for download from their website, only updates. And palmsource.com is referring me to sony.com to get them. :-( I may poke around some to see if I can find an alternative, but I'm NOT happy with Sony right about now. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 18:04:45 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <004001c428b6$a1b32e50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with > > Charter for cable or Frontier for DSL. Both block port 25, > > and neither > > provides a means for me to do smtpauth with Earthlink. Each > > has some agreements with other ISPs (Visi, AOL) so some > > unbundled "wire services" are available, but neither has a > > deal with Earthlink, for example. > > Why would you want Earthlink when you can get Visi??? I have > Earthlink with TW, and while their customer support is the best I've > experienced with a national ISP, I'd still rather be back with visi. My Earthlink ain't broke, and I make some use of their extensive set of local access dialups when travelling. I also get it discounted because of Sprint PCS cell phone, etc, and get some free LD on my landline. Does Visi match the services, bennies, and have at least as many local dialups in North America? There are good WiFi hotspots near most places I go, so I can use broadband when needed without additional cost until something decent is available at home. Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 22 18:15:20 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <004701c428b0$2ef8a9e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY><200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com><002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY><20040422145234.A4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <004701c428b0$2ef8a9e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <3802.68.112.123.230.1082675720.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > hdb: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdb: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } > hdb: 8404830 sectors (4303 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=555/240/63 > hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 8403864 Indicates a failing disk, but you knew that already :-) > Also I do not have the dd_rescue utility installed dd will work too. dd_rescue has a couple options that work better for this type of thing, but in a pinch dd should give you the same result. > dos bootdisk showed C: (I think it does) would A:\fdisk /mbr or sys C: do > any harm to this disk? Anything that writes to the disk will damage what data is intact. If a disk has failed, use only utilities that read data. Writing will most certainly cause damage. Fdisk, format, or any such utilities are to be avoided at all cost. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 22 19:40:59 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can This Drive be Resurrected? In-Reply-To: <3802.68.112.123.230.1082675720.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <002c01c42173$54055dd0$24fea8c0@LARRY><200404131200.19763.bmaas@open-techsys.com><002901c42736$4f01ece0$24fea8c0@LARRY><20040422145234.A4513@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <004701c428b0$2ef8a9e0$24fea8c0@LARRY> <3802.68.112.123.230.1082675720.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040422194059.A5490@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:15:20PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > hdb: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdb: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } > > hdb: 8404830 sectors (4303 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=555/240/63 > > hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } > > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 8403864 > > Indicates a failing disk, but you knew that already :-) > > > Also I do not have the dd_rescue utility installed > > dd will work too. dd_rescue has a couple options that work better for > this type of thing, but in a pinch dd should give you the same result. Well, go ahead and try dd first. If it doesn't work than you can try to get dd_rescue from http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ . It doesn't look like they have a Mandrake rpm, but they have a Suse package which might work. Good luck. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Apr 22 20:57:25 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Chuck Cole wrote: > FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with Charter for cable > or Frontier for DSL. Yes and no. Part of Burnsville (the southern part?) has Frontier, but I know a few people in the northern part with phone/DSL service from Qwest. Similarly, that area had AT&T cable (~5 years ago), which I imagine is served by Comcast now. > Both block port 25, and neither provides a means for me to do smtpauth > with Earthlink. Some SMTP servers listen on the submission port (587), which Charter doesn't seem to block (at least not for the users I have in Charter-land). Alas, Earthlink doesn't seem to listen on that port. Annoying. Of course, Earthlink is known for doing the exact same thing with their dialups, so... My general preference is either to encapsulate SMTP within another protocol, or to use an alternate port -- although that tends to require knowing someone who runs a mail server. *shrug* Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Thu Apr 22 21:52:55 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burning an SVCD with subtitles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> I have two files, a .ogm file (which appears to be the MPG) and a .srt file. How do I burn these to SVCD so the subtitles show up, under linux or OS X? Almost everything I find on google is for windows software, and I don't have windows. :) -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu Apr 22 22:12:04 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burning an SVCD with subtitles In-Reply-To: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> References: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20040423031204.GA22609@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:52:55PM -0500, Jay Austad wrote: > I have two files, a .ogm file (which appears to be the MPG) and a .srt > file. How do I burn these to SVCD so the subtitles show up, under > linux or OS X? > > Almost everything I find on google is for windows software, and I don't > have windows. :) > > -jay > Have you looked at these two URLs: http://zebra.fh-weingarten.de/~transcode/pre/ http://bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/ The ogmtools might be useful since you appear to have an ogg media file. I think that transcode will prove more useful; however, I've never used it to process a subtitle file. Figuring out transcode will give you something to do in your copious spare time. You do too have Windows. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 22 22:34:11 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down a MAC address In-Reply-To: <4287.156.98.100.45.1082661546.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <4287.156.98.100.45.1082661546.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <40888EB3.50008@cascopoint.com> Brian wrote: >The other day we had a NIC broadcasting some bogus IPX SAP info. I got >the MAC address because our Netware servers were all displaying the MAC >info while complaining. > >Using all the tools at hand, I was unable to track it down. I viewed the >router's ARP table, no luck there. > > I narrowed it down to one ethernet >segment and strated up ethereal. No luck, this MAC address wasn't showing >up anywhere. > > if you are in a switched environment you`ll not see on your port frames other then from you or to you or broadcast, or rarely frames that switch does nto know where to send. So the only choices that are left, is if its a manageble switch look at its mac address table, it will show you the port it is on. or setup some port to mirror all the segment traffic. Or you can plug yourself instead of a router for that segment for a little while , whith a router IP of course. Every host will try to reach you as a default gateway and you`ll the active mac addresses on the segment. some people suggested pinging broadcast address for the segment, could work, but many OSes do not reply to directed broadcasts. >Is there a good tool to view all the MAC addresses connected to a specific >segment? > > the switch is a very good tool. ony tool such as tcpdump, ethereal, trafshow can show them but only if it actually sees a packet on the wire, on packet no show. you have to make shure that you monitor workstation sees all the traffic on the segment. >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Thu Apr 22 22:36:47 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burning an SVCD with subtitles In-Reply-To: <20040423031204.GA22609@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> <20040423031204.GA22609@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <7340DB9D-94D7-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> > > You do too have Windows. > No I don't. :) I "upgraded" my work laptop a week after I got it. No windows anymore. I have Crossover office to run the windows apps I need. Thanks for the linky's. -j _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 23:06:04 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your comments are true, but cover a very small part of Burnsville and Apple Valley, and not where I am. Qwest was available to me in my former home near Eagan in Apple Valley, but next door neighbors had Frontier. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:57 PM > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Chuck Cole wrote: > > FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with Charter for cable > > or Frontier for DSL. > > Yes and no. Part of Burnsville (the southern part?) has Frontier, but I > know a few people in the northern part with phone/DSL service from Qwest. > Similarly, that area had AT&T cable (~5 years ago), which I imagine is > served by Comcast now. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Apr 22 23:54:04 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] burning an SVCD with subtitles In-Reply-To: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> References: <520BFDD0-94D1-11D8-A77F-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20040423045404.GX673@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Apr 23 01:05:20 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php on redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <008a01c42722$b4210250$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <008a01c42722$b4210250$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <1082700316.27410.11.camel@bigtime> > register_globals = Off > Now that I did this, both Mailwatch and Squirrelmail keep kicking me back to > the login page. It turns out mailwatch needs a newer version of php to work > properly, so I figured I would start there. > > Any suggestions? At least with the squirrelmail version I'm running, 1.5.0-1 (debian) squirrelmail needs register_globals turned on. Debian uses an apache config like this: Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail php_value register_globals On # refer to Debian bug #128226 Options Indexes FollowSymLinks DirectoryIndex index.php This turns on register_globals for squirrelmail, without having to enable it sitewide. Existing PHP webapps seem to be slow to remove the need for register_globals. Ugh. Perhaps Mailwatch still needs it too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 23 07:54:55 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:13:48 -0500 (CDT), Erik Hanson wrote: > I still have one, but I hardly use it. But when I travel it is nice. It > is an earthlink account and I think it costs to much for the amount I use > it. Does anyone know of a dialup that can be used nation wide (without > paying extra) that costs less than earthlink? It can be limited in usage > as I do not use it that much. > With Road runner there's free dial up. There may be a limit on the hours though... I secretly have my mom using the dailup while she "tries" out these computer things... She wants off of Web TV becuase its $22 a month. > Thanks. > -Erik > >>> It won't help for any sites you host, but having access to >>> e-mail even >>> when your broadband is down, or when travelling, can be very nice. >> >> How many people with broadband still have a land line? I haven't >> had a land line in two years, and good riddance! >> >> Matt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Fri Apr 23 09:05:40 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php on redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1082700316.27410.11.camel@bigtime> References: <008a01c42722$b4210250$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <1082700316.27410.11.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <4D860B03-952F-11D8-9A68-000A95BDBFC0@us-admins.com> On Apr 23, 2004, at 1:05 AM, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> register_globals = Off > >> Now that I did this, both Mailwatch and Squirrelmail keep kicking me >> back to >> the login page. It turns out mailwatch needs a newer version of php >> to work >> properly, so I figured I would start there. >> >> Any suggestions? Upgrade. register_globals = Off works with squirrelmail on apache2 and the most recent stable php. > > At least with the squirrelmail version I'm running, 1.5.0-1 (debian) > squirrelmail needs register_globals turned on. Debian uses an apache > config like this: > > Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail > > > php_value register_globals On # refer to Debian bug #128226 > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > DirectoryIndex index.php > > > > This turns on register_globals for squirrelmail, without having to > enable it sitewide. Existing PHP webapps seem to be slow to remove the > need for register_globals. Ugh. Perhaps Mailwatch still needs it too. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Apr 23 09:11:30 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Hey Brian, I've done this a few times. It's really pretty simple. I was doing this at Motorola, and people in my team actually had a step-by-step plan, but you can always look at the Familiar Linux teams info at compaq/hp/digital. I'd like to help, it was a fun project to work on. -dd Brian wrote: >Does anyone have experience putting linux on an iPaq? I've got an iPaq I >never use and I figure it's time I do something fun with it. > >The main part I'm missing is a serial cradle. Does anyone have a serial >cradle they could bring to the installfest? I think it'd be a fun project >to work on, and I'd appreciate any help if anyone's done it before. > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Apr 23 09:20:33 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Sony Clie PEG-T615C Software CD? In-Reply-To: <20040422223811.GA7616@fireopal.org> Message-ID: I've spent hours swearing at sony for this. I'll look at home to see if I still have mine. Incidentally, I think any disc for a PEG-T* will work. John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Scott Raun > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:38 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Sony Clie PEG-T615C Software CD? > > Anyone have the software CD that ships with a Sony Clie PEG-T615C? > > I've just discovered that Sony does not make the full HotSync > or Palm Desktop available for download from their website, > only updates. And palmsource.com is referring me to sony.com > to get them. :-( > > I may poke around some to see if I can find an alternative, > but I'm NOT happy with Sony right about now. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 23 09:25:52 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] networking in Fedora Message-ID: Good morning everyone- I have a laptop with fedora 1 on it - two nics - a built in and a pcmcia. I've bacsically given up on using the network gui deal to configure stuff as it seems to leave stuff in a weird state. So I'm editing /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth*. I'm switching from dhcp to static on eth0 but everytime I boot - I get the old dhcp address and not the static one. I have to do a "service network restart" to get everything up and going each time I boot. I'm I missing a file somewhere that needs editing? thanks johnnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Fri Apr 23 09:56:51 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To be technical, Charter doesn't service Burnsville. Charter services Rosemount, Northfield, Apple Valley, Lakeville, Farmington. Charter might have a block or couple blocks on the edge of Burnsville, but that's about it. While legitimate use is hampered by restrictions, it does take care of some issues that could arise from not doing it. Like being put on AOL's block list. We'll just say I happen to know AOL has cracked down hard on spam with the larger ISP's. It also helps prevent the spread of worms by forcing mail to go to a server that the ISP knows will clean out most worm/virus e-mails. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:06 PM To: Jima; TCLUG Subject: RE: [TCLUG] High speed internet Your comments are true, but cover a very small part of Burnsville and Apple Valley, and not where I am. Qwest was available to me in my former home near Eagan in Apple Valley, but next door neighbors had Frontier. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:57 PM > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Chuck Cole wrote: > > FWIW: The Burnsville Apple Valley area is stuck with Charter for cable > > or Frontier for DSL. > > Yes and no. Part of Burnsville (the southern part?) has Frontier, but I > know a few people in the northern part with phone/DSL service from Qwest. > Similarly, that area had AT&T cable (~5 years ago), which I imagine is > served by Comcast now. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Fri Apr 23 10:05:14 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] networking in Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You might want to look at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and see if the two match. I don't know why they have similar files in two places but mine does. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:26 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] networking in Fedora Good morning everyone- I have a laptop with fedora 1 on it - two nics - a built in and a pcmcia. I've bacsically given up on using the network gui deal to configure stuff as it seems to leave stuff in a weird state. So I'm editing /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth*. I'm switching from dhcp to static on eth0 but everytime I boot - I get the old dhcp address and not the static one. I have to do a "service network restart" to get everything up and going each time I boot. I'm I missing a file somewhere that needs editing? thanks johnnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Apr 22 20:52:33 2004 From: strayf at sdf.lonestar.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> References: <002a01c428a5$21e4bc90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <1899.216.70.45.162.1082664828.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040423015233.GA4833@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 03:13:48PM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > I still have one, but I hardly use it. But when I travel it is nice. It > is an earthlink account and I think it costs to much for the amount I use > it. Does anyone know of a dialup that can be used nation wide (without > paying extra) that costs less than earthlink? It can be limited in usage > as I do not use it that much. > freeshell.org has a nationwide dialup. I think it's $15 a month. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 23 11:37:57 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 23 12:21:09 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I think there was someone local that was working on a Debian-derivative > iPaq distribution. Here we go: http://intimate.handhelds.org/. Hmm.. > Doesn't look like much traffic or development going on. There's also > the Familiar project: http://familiar.handhelds.org/. Local handheld Linux developer? Sounds like Chris Larson (kergoth, with OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded). He moved down to Texas, last I heard. If that's who you're referring to. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Fri Apr 23 12:26:39 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn In-Reply-To: <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Hi, I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages in /var/logm/messages: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this work group. Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I might just be a remote announce type issue) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bfriedman at exstream.com Fri Apr 23 12:41:12 2004 From: bfriedman at exstream.com (Brent Friedman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about live cds Message-ID: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> I haven't played with live cd distros in the past. However, I was thinking that it might be really cool to put a demo of my company's product on a live cd. I just don't know how much work that would involve. Has anyone played with making your own live cd, or is that a hassle better left uninvestigated? Thanks, Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Fri Apr 23 12:39:16 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One thing to try, creating a host record on the BDC pointing the Main Server Name to it's IP. Then it should direct the request.... Not an expert on Netbios though, so maybe not? ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn Hi, I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages in /var/logm/messages: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this work group. Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I might just be a remote announce type issue) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 23 12:48:10 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: References: <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040423174810.GF2005@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Fri Apr 23 12:57:31 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not a bad idea, but I tried it. The odd thing is that using nmblookup it does resolve that host..it only fails to sync browse lists and to locate the pdc, which I believe are purely broadcast based. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Rysztak Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:39 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn One thing to try, creating a host record on the BDC pointing the Main Server Name to it's IP. Then it should direct the request.... Not an expert on Netbios though, so maybe not? ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn Hi, I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages in /var/logm/messages: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this work group. Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I might just be a remote announce type issue) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Apr 23 12:59:29 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn Message-ID: search in 'man smb.conf' for options like: wins proxy wins server wins support remote announce remote browse sync and read them thoroughly. >>> whtdruid@druids-grove.net 04/23/04 12:39PM >>> One thing to try, creating a host record on the BDC pointing the Main Server Name to it's IP. Then it should direct the request.... Not an expert on Netbios though, so maybe not? ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn Hi, I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages in /var/logm/messages: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this work group. Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I might just be a remote announce type issue) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Fri Apr 23 13:12:43 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, Im going to investigate the remote announce and remote browse sync..i've tried them a bit, but I must have done something wrong. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:59 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn search in 'man smb.conf' for options like: wins proxy wins server wins support remote announce remote browse sync and read them thoroughly. >>> whtdruid@druids-grove.net 04/23/04 12:39PM >>> One thing to try, creating a host record on the BDC pointing the Main Server Name to it's IP. Then it should direct the request.... Not an expert on Netbios though, so maybe not? ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:27 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn Hi, I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages in /var/logm/messages: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this work group. Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I might just be a remote announce type issue) TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri Apr 23 13:07:02 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbios over openvpn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40895B46.3030201@cascopoint.com> Christopher wrote: >Hi, > > > IPsec ( or other vpn technologies for all I know) do not support broadcast or multicast traffic, which is how the NetBIOS discovers its peers. Try opening shares on remote server using a n IP address to verify an end-to-end connetivity. And making a host record like otheres sugested should also work. >I have a working FC1 ldap pdc using Samba 3.0 here at hq and a working FC1 >ldap bdc that I'd like to place at a remote site. Everything works perfectly >when on the same subnet, with no vpn. When I attempt to move the BDC to the >remote site everything continues to work fine, I can see the traffic for >user authentication and so on (the remote BDC refers to the main ldap server >here) however, when I try to add a machine account to the domain from the >remote site it fails saying it can't find the domain.. Here are the messages >in /var/logm/messages: > >Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: find_domain_master_name_query_fail: >Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to find the Domain Master >Browser > name API-DOMAIN<1b> for the workgroup API-DOMAIN. >Apr 23 12:15:26 localhost nmbd[3734]: Unable to sync browse lists in this >work >group. > >Does anyone have any idea how to get this browse sync or domain_master_query >to work across the vpn and or shorewall? (I have no shorewal errors, so I >might just be a remote announce type issue) > >TIA, >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Fri Apr 23 14:17:43 2004 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anything more for Installfest? Message-ID: Anything more needed for the installfest? Will be bringing a couple of 5 port 10/100 switches...1 Linksys 802.11B/G Broadband Router as well...my new desktop and laptop...network cable, power strips, a pair of extension cables...blank discs (CDs and DVDs)...anything else anyone can think of that we need? Any spare parts I should bring/dig for? (Shoot...someone'll have 'em) Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Apr 23 14:26:32 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about live cds In-Reply-To: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> Message-ID: <40896DE8.8050302@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Perhaps start here: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/FaqCustomising and just customize Knoppix. THere's also Morphix and Gnoppix which all should be customizable. Brent Friedman wrote: >I haven't played with live cd distros in the past. However, I was thinking that it might be really cool to put a demo of my company's product on a live cd. I just don't know how much work that would involve. > >Has anyone played with making your own live cd, or is that a hassle better left uninvestigated? > >Thanks, > >Brent Friedman > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Apr 23 14:24:13 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> References: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> <20040423163757.GE2005@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <40896D5D.1030406@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Chad Walstrom wrote: >Brian wrote: > > >>Does anyone have experience putting linux on an iPaq? I've got an >>iPaq I never use and I figure it's time I do something fun with it. >> >> > >I think there was someone local that was working on a Debian-derivative >iPaq distribution. Here we go: http://intimate.handhelds.org/. Hmm.. >Doesn't look like much traffic or development going on. There's also >the Familiar project: http://familiar.handhelds.org/. > > > These two projects are similar. I'm familiar (no pun intended) with both. I wish I had an iPaq now... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Fri Apr 23 14:51:57 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about live cds In-Reply-To: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> Message-ID: <1082749917.2623.16.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Been playing with Knoppix. Once you get your remastering environment set up it isn't too bad a deal-- although it can get pretty time consuming if you have to keep re-creating the compressed file system. There's a pretty good howto on the subject at http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto If you decide on making a custom Knoppix based CD you might want to take a look at MiniKnoppix (http://www.inittab.org/lite.html) as it only takes up ~200M of your CD leaving you lots of room to add stuff. There's a rather extensive list of live CD's at http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php --greg On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 12:41, Brent Friedman wrote: > I haven't played with live cd distros in the past. However, I was thinking that it might be really cool to put a demo of my company's product on a live cd. I just don't know how much work that would involve. > > Has anyone played with making your own live cd, or is that a hassle better left uninvestigated? > > Thanks, > > Brent Friedman > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 23 15:44:18 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1726.156.98.100.45.1082753058.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Hey Brian, > > I've done this a few times. It's really pretty simple. I was doing > this at Motorola, and people in my team actually had a step-by-step > plan, but you can always look at the Familiar Linux teams info at > compaq/hp/digital. I have the docs somewhere for getting Familiar onto it. I also have Plan9 instructions, which looks kind of cool. The real problem is that you need a serial cradle. The USB cradle doesn't have the capability of doing this. I'll bring it tomorrow in hopes that someone can lend me a hand. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From deschiff at winternet.com Fri Apr 23 15:01:05 2004 From: deschiff at winternet.com (David Schiff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082750464.3281.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> You might want to ckeck out the April edition of LINUX Magazine The know how section has a 4 page artical DIY Knoppix, a workshop on creating custom Knoppix CD's. > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:51:57 -0500 > Gregory Siems said > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Question about live cds > Been playing with Knoppix. Once you get your remastering environment set > up it isn't too bad a deal-- although it can get pretty time consuming > if you have to keep re-creating the compressed file system. There's a > pretty good howto on the subject at > http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto > > If you decide on making a custom Knoppix based CD you might want to take > a look at MiniKnoppix (http://www.inittab.org/lite.html) as it only > takes up ~200M of your CD leaving you lots of room to add stuff. > > There's a rather extensive list of live CD's at > http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php > > --greg > > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 12:41, Brent Friedman wrote: > > I haven't played with live cd distros in the past. However, I was thinking that it might be really cool to put a demo of my company's product on a live cd. I just don't know how much work that would involve. > > > > Has anyone played with making your own live cd, or is that a hassle better left uninvestigated? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff at jeffclark.net Fri Apr 23 23:55:55 2004 From: jeff at jeffclark.net (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <1082782554.19914.17.camel@nogates.jeffclark.net> On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 12:42, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? There's an alternative that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Everyone says "Don't use QWest MSN as your ISP", and I agree. But there's another way: you can use Qwest as your ISP, but there's no MSN involved. I think they call this "Qwest Internet Basic". Basically, all you get from Qwest in this mode is an IP address (dynamic, of course; a static IP will cost you an additional $4.99/month IIRC). You don't get an email account or any storage for your web site, nor (to my knowledge) is there any shell access provided. But since you're hosting your own mail and web servers, you don't need that do you? :-) The best part about this approach is that it's cheap, cheap, cheap: $6.99/month (plus the cost of your DSL connection, of course). My total cost per month for this setup is: $28.00 1.5Mb down / 1.0Mb up (max; I don't actually get that) 6.99 Qwest Internet Basic (i.e., basic ISP service) 4.99 1 Static IP address 3.99 ActionTech DSL Modem rental (yeah, yeah, I know ...) ------ 43.97 Qwest doesn't block ports or protocols on your residential DSL line (at least, I haven't run into any problems along those lines). Everybody likes to crab about Qwest and I have to admit I've done it myself, and I've occassionly run into the totally clueless service droid on their support lines, BUT (and it's an important "but"), my experience has been once you get everything set up and working correctly, it's great. (In fairness, I should say I have also dealt with some extremely cluefull Qwest service reps, too. In particular the installer that set up my phone service in my new house and "David", the guy I dealt with when I ordered service for my new house, were both outstanding.) -- Jeff Clark "Too soon old, too late smart." mailto:jeff@jeffclark.net http://www.citilink.com/~jclark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft's success proves "You can fool some of the people, all of the time." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Apr 24 00:36:22 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about live cds In-Reply-To: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A2C5@rye.exstream.com> Message-ID: <200404240036.22864.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 23 April 2004 12:41 pm, Brent Friedman wrote: > Has anyone played with making your own live cd, or is that a hassle better > left uninvestigated? In addition to the other comments made the issue of the European Linux Magazine (large format and thicker than the US LM) has blurb on the cover about "Roll Your Own Knoppix" or something like that. Its usually available at Barnes and Noble or Shinders. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sat Apr 24 00:29:35 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <20040422191628.GA25870@therub.org> References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> <20040422191628.GA25870@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040424052935.GA30733@nan2d.com> What are the average upstream speeds? On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:16:28PM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > > alternative? > > This has been beat to death in the past, but I'll bite (search the > archives, too). > > Cable has faster download but crappy upload. With qwest, you can get > pretty decent download and pretty good upload, too. If you're going to > be running a web/email/whatever server out of your house, I'd go with > qwest. For just regular consumer internet uses, go with cable. > > If you do go with qworst, do not use their isp (msn, i think?). There > are a bunch of good, local isp's that will be much more user friendly. > Again, take a look at the archives the ISP topic comes up regularily. > > dan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sat Apr 24 00:38:44 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup Message-ID: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> Does anyone know of a simple backup sollution for unix? I have a linux pizzabox and a fbsd server and I would go apeshit if I lost somthing on them. I remember some /. reader having some simple sollution that I thaugh was pretty useful and smart. He made diffs of the files on his system every other night, tar/gzip the diffs and store them on a remote server. Every week, the remote server would make a large tarball of all the diffs, and every month it would create an ISO image to be burned onto a CD. Clever. Anyone know of any already-implemented sollutions like this? -- Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Apr 24 02:56:10 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com>; from after@nan2d.com on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 12:38:44AM -0500 References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040424025610.A17551@thinkunix.net> Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > Does anyone know of a simple backup sollution for unix? I have a linux pizzabox > and a fbsd server and I would go apeshit if I lost somthing on them. > > I remember some /. reader having some simple sollution that I thaugh was pretty > useful and smart. He made diffs of the files on his system every other night, > tar/gzip the diffs and store them on a remote server. Every week, the remote > server would make a large tarball of all the diffs, and every month it would > create an ISO image to be burned onto a CD. Clever. > > Anyone know of any already-implemented sollutions like this? rdiff backup? google for it. personally I use dump(8) over ssh to a server with lots of disk and weekly run the backup area out to tape. simple and effective. Everyone's backup needs/desires are different so pick the solution that works best for you. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Apr 24 07:24:45 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Any TCNUG members here? Message-ID: <1243.68.112.123.230.1082809485.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Being a Novell administrator, I was amused two years ago when I stumbled across www.tcnug.org. I have yet to make it to a meeting (though I've tried) and I was just curious if anyone here was a member. If so, could you please e-mail me off list? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 24 08:18:08 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <1082466796.25533.16.camel@unixws1> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <1082466796.25533.16.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040424131808.GF16216@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:13:16AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > The only draw back (a big one to me) was the cigarette smoke. It's his > > store but... > > Anyone with allergies or breathing problems may want to avoid this place. > > Ever look inside the computer of someone that smokes in his/her house or > office? Those fans just suck that stuff right in and deposit it on the > components. Incidentally, that's what his lungs look like... Ever looked at the crumbs under your keyboard? Incidently, that's what the inside of your body must look like. ... just trying to find something else to bash, maybe we can pick on fat people next? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Sat Apr 24 08:45:49 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question Message-ID: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page will access another webpage, but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). Any pointer would be great.. Many Thanks & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Apr 24 10:22:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> Let me get this right. Web site (server X) X needs to have a link to web site (server Y) Y. But web site Y can only be accessed from web site X. Is that correct? Sam. B_o_B wrote: >Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > >Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page >will access another webpage, >but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, >only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > >Any pointer would be great.. > >Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >Lat. 45:09n >Long. 93:18w >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Apr 24 11:27:27 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections Message-ID: <408A956F.1090209@comcast.net> Someone was looking for a way to utilize two broadband connections to one LAN, I think one was cable the other DSL. We've been experimenting with a product at work that does just that. It's supposed to load balance also. The unit is called a Xincom XC-DPG502. We started to play with it, but other projects have more importance, so it's just been sitting there. Hopefully we will be able to get back to it soon. -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 24 12:21:44 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040424172144.GA24856@fireopal.org> Alternatively, it could Site X Page A has a link to Site X Page B, but you can't go directly to Site X Page B. Could you do it with referrer? Only open Page B if it has an appropriate referrer listing Page A? On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Let me get this right. > > Web site (server X) X needs to have a link to web site (server Y) Y. But > web site Y can only be accessed from web site X. > > Is that correct? > > Sam. > > B_o_B wrote: > > >Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > > > >Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page > >will access another webpage, > >but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, > >only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > > > >Any pointer would be great.. > > > >Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > > > > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > >Lat. 45:09n > >Long. 93:18w > >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sat Apr 24 14:49:35 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <20040424172144.GA24856@fireopal.org> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> <20040424172144.GA24856@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <408AC4CF.2010003@cascopoint.com> Scott Raun wrote: >Alternatively, it could Site X Page A has a link to Site X Page B, but >you can't go directly to Site X Page B. > >Could you do it with referrer? Only open Page B if it has an >appropriate referrer listing Page A? > > > referrer could be used, but it could also be faked, so this is not a replacemnet for security, I guess that mod_rewrite could be used to check the correct referrer. >On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Let me get this right. >> >>Web site (server X) X needs to have a link to web site (server Y) Y. But >>web site Y can only be accessed from web site X. >> >>Is that correct? >> >>Sam. >> >>B_o_B wrote: >> >> >> >>>Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time >>> >>>Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page >>>will access another webpage, >>>but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, >>>only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). >>> >>>Any pointer would be great.. >>> >>>Many Thanks & Kind Regards, >>> >>> >>>Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >>>Lat. 45:09n >>>Long. 93:18w >>>http://b-o-b.homelinux.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Apr 24 18:04:27 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (strayf@freeshell.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <408AC4CF.2010003@cascopoint.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> <20040424172144.GA24856@fireopal.org> <408AC4CF.2010003@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:49:35 -0500 > From: Anton Yurchenko > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache Question > > Scott Raun wrote: > > >Alternatively, it could Site X Page A has a link to Site X Page B, but > >you can't go directly to Site X Page B. > > > >Could you do it with referrer? Only open Page B if it has an > >appropriate referrer listing Page A? > > > > > > > referrer could be used, but it could also be faked, so this is not a > replacemnet for security, I guess that mod_rewrite could be used to > check the correct referrer. Also, do all web browsers implement the referrer? You could set a cookie in page A and check for it in page B, but you'd have to assume the user had cookies on. Maybe encoding some information about the connection along with a secret page ID and tacking that onto the url pointing at page B. Then re-encode the info on page B and see if it matches. Of course assuming you're using some sort of scripting. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sat Apr 24 19:37:02 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <20040424025610.A17551@thinkunix.net> References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> <20040424025610.A17551@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040425003702.GA20549@nan2d.com> Well see, thats just wasting space. Why back up somthing that hasn't even been changed since the last backup? It doesnt really make a lot of sence. This method does what it is supposed to do, but is not really good when all I can spare for backup is a 100 GB partition. Thanks for the tip though .. I didnt know what it was called. On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 02:56:10AM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > Does anyone know of a simple backup sollution for unix? I have a linux pizzabox > > and a fbsd server and I would go apeshit if I lost somthing on them. > > > > I remember some /. reader having some simple sollution that I thaugh was pretty > > useful and smart. He made diffs of the files on his system every other night, > > tar/gzip the diffs and store them on a remote server. Every week, the remote > > server would make a large tarball of all the diffs, and every month it would > > create an ISO image to be burned onto a CD. Clever. > > > > Anyone know of any already-implemented sollutions like this? > > rdiff backup? google for it. > > personally I use dump(8) over ssh to a server with lots of disk and > weekly run the backup area out to tape. simple and effective. > Everyone's backup needs/desires are different so pick the solution that > works best for you. > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Sat Apr 24 19:55:51 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <408B0C97.9080402@bethel.edu> Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >Does anyone know of a simple backup sollution for unix? I have a linux pizzabox >and a fbsd server and I would go apeshit if I lost somthing on them. > >I remember some /. reader having some simple sollution that I thaugh was pretty >useful and smart. He made diffs of the files on his system every other night, >tar/gzip the diffs and store them on a remote server. Every week, the remote >server would make a large tarball of all the diffs, and every month it would >create an ISO image to be burned onto a CD. Clever. > >Anyone know of any already-implemented sollutions like this? > > > Hello Andrei - I have been using rsnapshot on one of my servers for several months now, and it's awesome. It was a cinch to set up, and I'd highly recommend you check it out: http://www.rsnapshot.org/ -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Apr 24 22:09:16 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <408B2BDC.7060104@visi.com> Have you tried asking this question at http://www.tcphp.org The nice folks at tcphp are realy helpful. Sam. B_o_B wrote: >Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > >Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page >will access another webpage, >but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, >only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > >Any pointer would be great.. > >Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >Lat. 45:09n >Long. 93:18w >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sat Apr 24 21:29:09 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > > Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page > will access another webpage, > but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, > only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > > Any pointer would be great.. > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > Possible, yes. Easy, no. It would be doable as dynamic content where the calling page set appropriate session information and the protected page would only display if it got valid session information. We do some very similar stuff at work, we do most of it with jsp's, but I imagine there are other ways to deal with it. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat Apr 24 22:07:46 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I Sometimes Dislike Computers In-Reply-To: <20040424131808.GF16216@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40852B00.20106@visi.com> <1082466796.25533.16.camel@unixws1> <20040424131808.GF16216@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040424215416.M1230@unix18.sihope.com> > Ever looked at the crumbs under your keyboard? Incidently, that's what the > inside of your body must look like. > > ... just trying to find something else to bash, maybe we can pick on fat > people next? You are assuming that I have a dislike for smokers, and that my statement was said with contempt for "them". You know much less than you think you do. *cough* _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sat Apr 24 22:26:35 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040425032635.GA4960@nan2d.com> This wouldnt be extremely hard to do with PHP. If you do have PHP set up, then you will need to have some sort of authentication code with the server that you are getting the content off of. After that, it would be a matter of calling fopen() with the appropriate URI and then reading and echoing the content. Also, you might trick around with mod_rewrite ... google it. On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 08:45:49AM -0500, B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > > Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page > will access another webpage, > but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, > only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > > Any pointer would be great.. > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > Lat. 45:09n > Long. 93:18w > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Apr 24 23:56:16 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <200404242356.16669.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 24 April 2004 08:45 am, B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time > > Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page > will access another webpage, > but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, > only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). > > Any pointer would be great.. I agree with what others have said. You'll need at a minimum some sort of authentication. A content management system might help but restricting access to a page will always require an authentication process to work. Without it once the user knows the URL they can go straight to the page. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Apr 25 01:09:43 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <20040425003702.GA20549@nan2d.com> References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> <20040424025610.A17551@thinkunix.net> <20040425003702.GA20549@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040425060943.GA12879@nan2d.com> Actually, let me clerify myself: You always have the option to use security by obscurity. If you locate the private documents in an obscurely-named directory on the server, then the only thing you have to do is use some sort of server-side technology (like a scripting language: PHP, ASP, Java, ... et cetera) which is a very trivial thing to do. Good luck On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 07:37:02PM -0500, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > Well see, thats just wasting space. Why back up somthing that hasn't even been > changed since the last backup? It doesnt really make a lot of sence. This method > does what it is supposed to do, but is not really good when all I can spare for > backup is a 100 GB partition. > > Thanks for the tip though .. I didnt know what it was called. > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 02:56:10AM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a simple backup sollution for unix? I have a linux pizzabox > > > and a fbsd server and I would go apeshit if I lost somthing on them. > > > > > > I remember some /. reader having some simple sollution that I thaugh was pretty > > > useful and smart. He made diffs of the files on his system every other night, > > > tar/gzip the diffs and store them on a remote server. Every week, the remote > > > server would make a large tarball of all the diffs, and every month it would > > > create an ISO image to be burned onto a CD. Clever. > > > > > > Anyone know of any already-implemented sollutions like this? > > > > rdiff backup? google for it. > > > > personally I use dump(8) over ssh to a server with lots of disk and > > weekly run the backup area out to tape. simple and effective. > > Everyone's backup needs/desires are different so pick the solution that > > works best for you. > > -- > > scot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA > www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sun Apr 25 10:45:09 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <408B0C97.9080402@bethel.edu>; from anderiv@bethel.edu on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 07:55:51PM -0500 References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> <408B0C97.9080402@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20040425104509.G27597@real-time.com> On 04/24 07:55 , Erik Anderson wrote: > Hello Andrei - I have been using rsnapshot on one of my servers for > several months now, and it's awesome. It was a cinch to set up, and I'd > highly recommend you check it out: > > http://www.rsnapshot.org/ I can vouch for this. I've worked with the developer, and can attest that it's a good program, and trivial to install and configure. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Apr 25 12:19:56 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple backup In-Reply-To: <20040425104509.G27597@real-time.com> References: <20040424053844.GA30767@nan2d.com> <408B0C97.9080402@bethel.edu> <20040425104509.G27597@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040425171956.GA67444@nan2d.com> Thanks Erik, and thanks Carl for vouching! I will definetely check this out. On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:45:09AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 04/24 07:55 , Erik Anderson wrote: > > Hello Andrei - I have been using rsnapshot on one of my servers for > > several months now, and it's awesome. It was a cinch to set up, and I'd > > highly recommend you check it out: > > > > http://www.rsnapshot.org/ > > I can vouch for this. I've worked with the developer, and can attest that > it's a good program, and trivial to install and configure. > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From murph at mr.net Sat Apr 24 12:04:52 2004 From: murph at mr.net (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections References: <408A956F.1090209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001b01c42a1e$4347a210$0701a8c0@fatboy> While browsing CDW the other day I saw a linksys unit that does the same thing - load balancing. If Linksys wasn't owned by Cisco I wouldn't believe it, load balancing ain't easy! Matt > Someone was looking for a way to utilize two broadband connections to > one LAN, I think one was cable the other DSL. > > We've been experimenting with a product at work that does just that. > It's supposed to load balance also. > > The unit is called a Xincom XC-DPG502. > > We started to play with it, but other projects have more importance, so > it's just been sitting there. Hopefully we will be able to get back to > it soon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Sun Apr 25 14:23:21 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM Message-ID: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk but actually run the whole thing in ram? What advantage would there be as far as actual speed increases? I would guess the performance increase could be dramatic as there would be no need to go to the HDD at all. I just upgraded to 1 GB of RAM in my desktop computer and started wondering.... thanks... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Sun Apr 25 16:19:31 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <001b01c42a1e$4347a210$0701a8c0@fatboy> Message-ID: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Thanks to everyone who has posted on this topic. My main concern is not really load balancing (although at some point I that might come into play). For right now I simply need to direct traffic. To begin with I will want all out going web traffic to go over the Comcast connection and all mail traffic to go over the DSL. I belive I can accomplish that with iptables. If that is not the way to go please advise. If you have dynamically routed packets this way using Iptables and you don't mind sharing that snipt of or your Iptables I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:05 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections While browsing CDW the other day I saw a linksys unit that does the same thing - load balancing. If Linksys wasn't owned by Cisco I wouldn't believe it, load balancing ain't easy! Matt > Someone was looking for a way to utilize two broadband connections to > one LAN, I think one was cable the other DSL. > > We've been experimenting with a product at work that does just that. > It's supposed to load balance also. > > The unit is called a Xincom XC-DPG502. > > We started to play with it, but other projects have more importance, so > it's just been sitting there. Hopefully we will be able to get back to > it soon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Apr 25 16:42:32 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM References: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: <006001c42b0e$3755e890$0201a8c0@brinstar> Dave Erickson writes: > I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I > was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD > or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk > but actually run the whole thing in ram? You need to define what you mean by "OS". The kernel always runs in RAM. Userland programs such as "ls" are stored on the disk and loaded into memory when run (by execve(2)). You could copy everything from /usr to an in-memory file system on boot. While this would decrease latency when running a program, the amortized latency would likely be much higher, as many of the copied items will never actually be accessed. Linux has a "buffer cache". Blocks are typically read from the disk only once and stored in the buffer cache. Subsequent reads come from the buffer cache. Thus a program typically must only be read from disk the first time it is run. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 2 11:52:33 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No April TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20040402154608.GB6694@fandre.com> Since we are having an installfest this month, we won't be having a monthly TCLUG meeting tomorrow. I also had some communication problems which resulted in not being able to book a speaker again. But I do have 2 speakers lined up for the next couple of months. Next month we will have a continuation of our SAN talk, and in June VMware will come in to present. Sorry for the late notice. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 20 14:46:53 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Installfest this Saturday Message-ID: <20040420194653.GD29412@fandre.com> Just a reminder, we are having an installfest this Saturday. Please register if you plan on attending. What: TCLUG Installfest When: Saturday April 24th, 2004, 10:00am to 6:00pm Where: Benchmark New Horizons 4510 West 77th Street Suite 210 Edina, Minnesota 55435 Cost: Free! Directions: http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp Registration: If you plan on attending, please register here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php More information about the installfest here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 23 11:13:01 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Installfest, and more! Message-ID: <20040423161301.GD25165@fandre.com> When was the last time I had more than one announcement at one time? Five may be a record... 1. Just a reminder that the installfest is tomorrow. We are looking for some volunteers to help cleanup, so if you can help out just stick around for a few minutes after the installfest ends. And if you are planning on attending, please register so we can estimate tablespace. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ 2. We will be having a May monthly meeting. Xiotech will be coming to continue the SAN talk. More information on the meetings page: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ 3. I have already booked the June meetings. (yes, it is a miracle) VMware will be coming in to talk about their products. The meeting is scheduled for June 5th from noon-2pm. 4. Once again, TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo. The Expo will be help on June 9-10 this year at the Minneapolis Convention Center. I will be looking for volunteers to manage the booth, so please email me if you are interested. Please include which day and what time you will be available. 5. I am looking for MythTV users out there to help me do a presentation at an upcoming TCLUG meeting. (July or August?) So if you are really into MythTV and would like to help, let me know. All of these events are listed on the "Upcoming Events" page. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Apr 25 17:48:09 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections References: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <007101c42b17$61dfde00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Doug Coats writes: > Thanks to everyone who has posted on this topic. My main concern is > not really load balancing (although at some point I that might come > into play). For right now I simply need to direct traffic. To begin > with I will want all out going web traffic to go over the Comcast > connection and all mail traffic to go over the DSL. The easy way to do it is to simply put two network cards into the mail server. One is for the internal LAN and the other is for the DSL. Set the mail server's default gateway to be the DSL interface, or configure the MTA to send on the DSL IP. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sun Apr 25 18:17:52 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM In-Reply-To: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> References: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: <20040425231752.GA27621@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:23:21PM -0500, Dave Erickson wrote: > [...] can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD > or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk but > actually run the whole thing in ram? Distros like LEAF (leaf.sourceforge.net) load the filesystem into memory like that. It's not for a speed increase, but more for the benefit of loading the OS off of a read-only source, either floppy or CD. Then if the system is cracked a reboot will restore it to the original clean state. Also, less energy should be required as you can spin down the floppy or cd drive once you're done booting. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 25 22:02:20 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> References: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <408C7BBC.8090301@cascopoint.com> Doug Coats wrote: >Thanks to everyone who has posted on this topic. My main concern is not >really load balancing (although at some point I that might come into play). >For right now I simply need to direct traffic. To begin with I will want >all out going web traffic to go over the Comcast connection and all mail >traffic to go over the DSL. > >I belive I can accomplish that with iptables. If that is not the way to go >please advise. If you have dynamically routed packets this way using >Iptables and you don't mind sharing that snipt of or your Iptables I would >greatly appreciate it. > > > iptables and /sbin/ip (for policy routing, could be done only with /sbin/ip but easier together with iptables) read the howto at lartc.org it has all the examples, >Thanks again. > >Doug >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matt Murphy >Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:05 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections > > > > While browsing CDW the other day I saw a linksys unit that does the same >thing - load balancing. If Linksys wasn't owned by Cisco I wouldn't believe >it, load balancing ain't easy! > >Matt > > > >>Someone was looking for a way to utilize two broadband connections to >>one LAN, I think one was cable the other DSL. >> >>We've been experimenting with a product at work that does just that. >>It's supposed to load balance also. >> >>The unit is called a Xincom XC-DPG502. >> >>We started to play with it, but other projects have more importance, so >>it's just been sitting there. Hopefully we will be able to get back to >>it soon. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun Apr 25 22:06:09 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM In-Reply-To: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> References: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: <408C7CA1.8060601@cascopoint.com> Dave Erickson wrote: > I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I > was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD > or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk > but actually run the whole thing in ram? > > What advantage would there be as far as actual speed increases? I > would guess the performance increase could be dramatic as there would > be no need to go to the HDD at all. > > I just upgraded to 1 GB of RAM in my desktop computer and started > wondering.... > I do not belive that it`ll give a big boost, unless you are executing _many_different commands from the disc, if there is a modest number of the commands, they`ll all be cached anayway. I do not belive that there is a way to load a filesystem into ram so that changes in ram a synced to hdd. to load filesystems into ram see tmpfs > thanks... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Sun Apr 25 23:43:20 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM In-Reply-To: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: Loading it all into RAM would increase the speed at which a program loads because it wouldn't have to search a disc and cross the bus, however the gain in performance would not be noticed once loaded. The same latency as currently exists would occur when sync'ing to the HDD. Unless you can make RAM non-volatile, the performance increase would be killed by transferring the data to the HDD (which is really the bottleneck in a normal system, anyway.) Essentially, a great wish, but not really yet practical. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Erickson Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk but actually run the whole thing in ram? What advantage would there be as far as actual speed increases? I would guess the performance increase could be dramatic as there would be no need to go to the HDD at all. I just upgraded to 1 GB of RAM in my desktop computer and started wondering.... thanks... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Apr 26 08:21:14 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question Message-ID: >>> jack@jacku.com 04/24/04 11:56PM >>> >On Saturday 24 April 2004 08:45 am, B_o_B wrote: >> Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 8:44:37 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Just wondering if it is possible to make it so that a web page >> will access another webpage, >> but... that webpage cannot be accessed directly, >> only through the first page? (hope that makes sense). >> >> Any pointer would be great.. > >I agree with what others have said. You'll need at a minimum some sort of >authentication. A content management system might help but restricting access >to a page will always require an authentication process to work. Without it >once the user knows the URL they can go straight to the page. What about mod_proxy setup as a reverse proxy. You can setup access controls on the source server to only accept requests from the frontend server, then reverse proxy it at the frontend. This might achieve the desired results. We do this sort of thing all the time with a dedicated proxy (not Apache). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Mon Apr 26 08:16:06 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> Message-ID: <592407749.20040426081606@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Monday, April 26, 2004 @ 8:11:15 AM Central Standard Time SM> Web site (server X) X needs to have a link to web site (server Y) Y. But SM> web site Y can only be accessed from web site X. Thanks to all that responded. The page I am looking for limited access too will be on the same server, so every thing is on "Server X". I am concerned mainly with Javascript source files... (*.js) As a html file links to a JS file... I wanted it so that the JS file could not be accessed except by the html that uses it. Hope this helps explain better. Many Thansk & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Apr 26 09:44:28 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com><408A8629.1020000@visi.com> <592407749.20040426081606@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <00f501c42b9c$fa7990e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> B_o_B writes: > The page I am looking for limited access too will be on the same > server, so every thing is on "Server X". I am concerned > mainly with Javascript source files... (*.js) > > As a html file links to a JS file... I wanted it so that the JS > file could not be accessed except by the html that uses it. You aren't going to be able to do this securely without some custom code. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Mon Apr 26 10:09:49 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on an iPaq In-Reply-To: <1726.156.98.100.45.1082753058.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <4746.156.98.100.45.1082665369.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40892412.9010904@edenpr.k12.mn.us> <1726.156.98.100.45.1082753058.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <408D263D.2040108@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Yeah,once you have the serial cradle, or serial cable, you'll be set. Brian wrote: >>Hey Brian, >> >>I've done this a few times. It's really pretty simple. I was doing >>this at Motorola, and people in my team actually had a step-by-step >>plan, but you can always look at the Familiar Linux teams info at >>compaq/hp/digital. >> >> > >I have the docs somewhere for getting Familiar onto it. I also have Plan9 >instructions, which looks kind of cool. The real problem is that you need >a serial cradle. The USB cradle doesn't have the capability of doing >this. I'll bring it tomorrow in hopes that someone can lend me a hand. > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Mon Apr 26 10:58:27 2004 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Multiple Internet Connections In-Reply-To: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> References: <000501c42b0b$00a27d20$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> Message-ID: <408D31A3.1060901@bitstream.net> Doug Coats wrote: >I belive I can accomplish that with iptables. If that is not the way to go >please advise. If you have dynamically routed packets this way using >Iptables and you don't mind sharing that snipt of or your Iptables I would >greatly appreciate it. > > I haven't used it myself, but there's a new ROUTE target in the extra repository of netfilter's patch-o-matic that sounds like it'll do what you want. After applying the patch you'd do something like this: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 25 -j ROUTE --gw $gateway_for_smtp --continue iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 80 -j ROUTE --gw $gateway_for_http --continue Hope that helps. -- Chad Juettner chad@bitstream.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Mon Apr 26 11:14:14 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Question In-Reply-To: <592407749.20040426081606@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1449877842.20040424084549@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <408A8629.1020000@visi.com> <592407749.20040426081606@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <408D3556.4070001@cascopoint.com> B_o_B wrote: >Monday, April 26, 2004 @ 8:11:15 AM Central Standard Time > >SM> Web site (server X) X needs to have a link to web site (server Y) Y. But >SM> web site Y can only be accessed from web site X. > >Thanks to all that responded. > >The page I am looking for limited access too will be on the same >server, so every thing is on "Server X". I am concerned >mainly with Javascript source files... (*.js) > >As a html file links to a JS file... I wanted it so that the JS >file could not be accessed except by the html that uses it. > > > What is the point in doing this, the client will be getting the js files in any case , through html file or not, it will in any case end up on client where they could look at it with any variant of methods, just by viewing the source, or even going to expremes as to fire up some memory reading debugger and looking at directly in the RAM. Or you do not want for somebody to link agains your code? I doubt that anyone would do that, it`ll be much easier for them to steal it and place it on their own server. >Hope this helps explain better. > >Many Thansk & Kind Regards, > > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >Lat. 45:09n >Long. 93:18w >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 26 12:19:33 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? Message-ID: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> I hope it was an honest mistake that someone took Benchmark's Linksys AP from the break room during the Installfest on Saturday. It hard enough to find places willing to host our Installfests. To have something like this happen is way uncool and very embarrassing. Not to mention a personal-slap-in-the-face to me, since I arranged the Installfest. Because the AP was hidden, it is unlikely that someone mistakenly took it, my gut tells me someone purposely removed it from Benchmark's facilities. Worse, there are only a couple people I saw in and around the area where the AP was hidden, so I feel there is a certain guilt by association happening here. Here's the deal. Return Benchmark's AP to me. Confess to the mistake or theft. All in private and all will be forgotten. If I get the AP and confession before 04/30/2004, I'll buy -you- the same make/model AP since you so desperately need one. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Mon Apr 26 13:03:55 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN Message-ID: <408D4F0B.9030001@hissingdragon.net> Hi. Isn't there a way to specify from which of multiple interfaces on a linux router a connection originates from? For example, I have a VPN gateway router at a remote office which also runs a slaved dns server for it's internal network. However, when sync'ing to the master dns server at the other end of the VPN, it advertises itself as coming from the IP assigned to its public interface. This confuses the routing somewhat at the other end. We put in a static route on the main office core router to point the remote office public IP back up the VPN. That fixed the dns sync'ing problem. But it created a new problem in that now the remote office server cannot 'see' the DMZ at the main office. The easy solution would be to remove the static route, but somehow get the dns service to source its IP from its internal interface. Possible? -- John Hawley jhawley@hissingdragon.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Apr 26 14:19:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> OMG! I just don't believe it, how, why, I, hhhhhhh..... I'm without words... Sam. Bob Tanner wrote: >I hope it was an honest mistake that someone took Benchmark's Linksys AP from >the break room during the Installfest on Saturday. > >It hard enough to find places willing to host our Installfests. To have >something like this happen is way uncool and very embarrassing. Not to >mention a personal-slap-in-the-face to me, since I arranged the Installfest. > >Because the AP was hidden, it is unlikely that someone mistakenly took it, my >gut tells me someone purposely removed it from Benchmark's facilities. > >Worse, there are only a couple people I saw in and around the area where the >AP was hidden, so I feel there is a certain guilt by association happening >here. > >Here's the deal. > >Return Benchmark's AP to me. Confess to the mistake or theft. All in private >and all will be forgotten. > >If I get the AP and confession before 04/30/2004, I'll buy -you- the same >make/model AP since you so desperately need one. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 26 13:17:44 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN In-Reply-To: <408D4F0B.9030001@hissingdragon.net> References: <408D4F0B.9030001@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, John Hawley wrote: > For example, I have a VPN gateway router at a remote office which also > runs a slaved dns server for it's internal network. However, when > sync'ing to the master dns server at the other end of the VPN, it > advertises itself as coming from the IP assigned to its public > interface. The simplest way to fix this would probably be to configure NAT to rewrite the packet to the expected address, which has it's pros and cons. :) Otherwise, depending on which DNS server you're using, you can probably tell it which IP address(es) to bind to, which may or may not be suitable to your situation. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Mon Apr 26 13:43:16 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN In-Reply-To: References: <408D4F0B.9030001@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <408D5844.8090706@hissingdragon.net> Nate Carlson wrote: >On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, John Hawley wrote: > > >>For example, I have a VPN gateway router at a remote office which also >>runs a slaved dns server for it's internal network. However, when >>sync'ing to the master dns server at the other end of the VPN, it >>advertises itself as coming from the IP assigned to its public >>interface. >> >> > >The simplest way to fix this would probably be to configure NAT to rewrite >the packet to the expected address, which has it's pros and cons. :) > >Otherwise, depending on which DNS server you're using, you can probably >tell it which IP address(es) to bind to, which may or may not be suitable >to your situation. > > > ah yes. I was thinking it might kernel level or as you say an iptables rewrite. But as so far its just an issue with Bind, I think I can just solve it with the 'transfer-source' option. Thanks. -- John Hawley jhawley@hissingdragon.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Apr 26 14:34:49 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> Message-ID: <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few bucks that we could replace it for them. Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 26 14:55:27 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: second that... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:34:49 -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure > there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few > bucks that we could replace it for them. > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Apr 26 16:06:34 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <408D79DA.8080706@visi.com> third it... Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > second that... > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:34:49 -0500, Ben Bargabus > wrote: > >> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >> bucks that we could replace it for them. >> Ben. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 26 15:31:32 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <408D79DA.8080706@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > third it... Said it on IRC before the subject even hit the mailing list... ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 26 15:47:53 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: Ben Bargabus writes: > If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure > there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few > bucks that we could replace it for them. while the effort is to be lauded but even if we got them a super $10000 cisco WAP thingie, the fact of the matter remains is that TCLUG is no longer a name to be trusted. It takes years to build a reputation and a lousy $50 to ruin it. I used to tell people that i can leave all my hardware at an installfest unattended and be secure in the knowledge that nobody will mess with it. (other then the pranksters who adds stuff to .bashrc) Mind you i am not saying that i am going to start locking all my stuff down, but walking about is no longer that easy. this incident has lessened us all. on a side note, somebody left a powerstrip plugged into my powerstrip. You know who you are, email me offlist to get it back. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 26 16:16:48 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: <009801c42bd3$c94877c0$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Apr 26 23:00:15 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404270400.i3R40F831518@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 35+ units with the following: Dual CPU IBM Mobo with a PII 233 or 266 & terminator 32MB ECC DIMM 4.5 SCSI IBM HDD Onboard SCSI (dual channel), LAN, USB, Sound 24X CD, Floppy 330W Power supply If you need a monitor, KVM switch, RAM, or more hard disks I can grub it up for you for a decent price. $$$ Price per unit: $95 My wife thanks you for your interest and help in liquidating these. Eric http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Apr 26 23:03:53 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404270403.i3R43rB31568@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 400 Mhz PII CPUs 40 of the following: Intel Pentium II 400 Mhz Slot 1 CPUs with heat sink. Price per unit: $12 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Apr 26 23:19:16 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <0BF9F8E0-9802-11D8-98F4-000A95726308@us-admins.com> On Apr 26, 2004, at 3:47 PM, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Ben Bargabus writes: > >> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >> bucks that we could replace it for them. > > while the effort is to be lauded but even if we got them a super > $10000 cisco WAP thingie, the fact of the matter remains is that TCLUG > is no longer a name to be trusted. It takes years to build a > reputation and a lousy $50 to ruin it. Yeah, but if we replace it at least we show we're not all shitbags. > > I used to tell people that i can leave all my hardware at an > installfest unattended and be secure in the knowledge that nobody will > mess with it. (other then the pranksters who adds stuff to .bashrc) > Mind you i am not saying that i am going to start locking all my stuff > down, but walking about is no longer that easy. Yeah, I'll be exercising alot more caution around my TCLUG members. > this incident has lessened us all. > > on a side note, somebody left a powerstrip plugged into my powerstrip. > You know who you are, email me offlist to get it back. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Apr 26 23:16:43 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com> <408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Ben Bargabus wrote: > If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure > there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few > bucks that we could replace it for them. Indeed. Thats a great facility and whoever took it not only made us all look bad but pretty much boned our chances of holding one there. I'll pitch in to replace it if the jackass that stole it is too much of a coward to fess up. > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 27 08:22:14 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking in Fedora - MAC addr dupes and DHCP client problems Message-ID: I'm having a bear of a time with Fedora yarrow and networking on a laptop. I'm on a dell using: Xircom pcmcia NIC/modem using xircom_cb builtin 3com 3c556 using 3c59x driver Yesterday, somehow while I was manually setting up which interface should be eth0/eth1 and setting the driver aliases etc, both NICs got the same MAC address. ifconfig as well as "ip -o link show" reported the NICs having the same MAC addr. I searched the system for anything that would be setting it and found nothing. all of the ifcfg-eth* scripts in /etc/sysconfig were not setting hwaddr, the redhat-config-network gui also showed them having the same hwaddr, even when using the "bind to MAC addr" button and the "probe" button. I deleted both interfaces using the network gui config tool and recreated them - no dice - still had the same addr. I finally broke down and reinstalled. during the install I set one NIC (eth0) up to use dhcp and be active on boot The other (eth1) is static (0.0.0.0) and and active at boot. They now have unique MAC address. So my question is: What does the installer do to get the REAL MAC address from the hardware? Is there a command or utilitiy to probe NIC hardware and get the MAC? Now that I have reinstalled, I get unique MAC addr, but the networking isn't working after a boot until I do a "service network restart"... the network restart seems to do a couple of things: 1) It will get me an appropriate ip address for the network I'm on. Most of the time upon reboot, I get the IP address that the last dhcp server gave me - like a 192.168.0.100 address even though I'm on a 10.1.103.x address. 2) It will add a default route. I don't understand why it doesn't do this at boot time. Any place I can start checking for errors? thanks johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 27 09:42:43 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking in Fedora - MAC addr dupes and DHCP client problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408E7163.6080603@visi.com> I guess I'll have to put another NIC in my laptop to see what happens. Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > I'm having a bear of a time with Fedora yarrow and networking on a > laptop. I'm on a dell using: > > Xircom pcmcia NIC/modem using xircom_cb > builtin 3com 3c556 using 3c59x driver > > > Yesterday, somehow while I was manually setting up which interface > should be eth0/eth1 and setting the driver aliases etc, both NICs got > the same MAC address. ifconfig as well as "ip -o link show" reported > the NICs having the same MAC addr. I searched the system for > anything that would be setting it and found nothing. all of the > ifcfg-eth* scripts in /etc/sysconfig were not setting hwaddr, the > redhat-config-network gui also showed them having the same hwaddr, > even when using the "bind to MAC addr" button and the "probe" > button. I deleted both interfaces using the network gui config tool > and recreated them - no dice - still had the same addr. > > I finally broke down and reinstalled. during the install I set one > NIC (eth0) up to use dhcp and be active on boot The other (eth1) is > static (0.0.0.0) and and active at boot. They now have unique MAC > address. > > So my question is: What does the installer do to get the REAL MAC > address from the hardware? Is there a command or utilitiy to probe > NIC hardware and get the MAC? > > Now that I have reinstalled, I get unique MAC addr, but the > networking isn't working after a boot until I do a "service network > restart"... the network restart seems to do a couple of things: > > 1) It will get me an appropriate ip address for the network I'm on. > Most of the time upon reboot, I get the IP address that the last dhcp > server gave me - like a 192.168.0.100 address even though I'm on a > 10.1.103.x address. > > 2) It will add a default route. > > I don't understand why it doesn't do this at boot time. Any place I > can start checking for errors? > > thanks > johnnyf > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 27 08:44:56 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking in Fedora - MAC addr dupes and DHCP client problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Figured out the second part about dhcp - the Lanforge server I'm running was mucking with routes... The MAC address part is still a mystery though... :/ On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:22:14 -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > I'm having a bear of a time with Fedora yarrow and networking on a > laptop. I'm on a dell using: > > Xircom pcmcia NIC/modem using xircom_cb > builtin 3com 3c556 using 3c59x driver > > > Yesterday, somehow while I was manually setting up which interface > should be eth0/eth1 and setting the driver aliases etc, both NICs got > the same MAC address. ifconfig as well as "ip -o link show" reported > the NICs having the same MAC addr. I searched the system for anything > that would be setting it and found nothing. all of the ifcfg-eth* > scripts in /etc/sysconfig were not setting hwaddr, the > redhat-config-network gui also showed them having the same hwaddr, even > when using the "bind to MAC addr" button and the "probe" button. I > deleted both interfaces using the network gui config tool and recreated > them - no dice - still had the same addr. > > I finally broke down and reinstalled. during the install I set one NIC > (eth0) up to use dhcp and be active on boot The other (eth1) is static > (0.0.0.0) and and active at boot. They now have unique MAC address. > > So my question is: What does the installer do to get the REAL MAC > address from the hardware? Is there a command or utilitiy to probe NIC > hardware and get the MAC? > > Now that I have reinstalled, I get unique MAC addr, but the networking > isn't working after a boot until I do a "service network restart"... > the network restart seems to do a couple of things: > > 1) It will get me an appropriate ip address for the network I'm on. > Most of the time upon reboot, I get the IP address that the last dhcp > server gave me - like a 192.168.0.100 address even though I'm on a > 10.1.103.x address. > > 2) It will add a default route. > > I don't understand why it doesn't do this at boot time. Any place I can > start checking for errors? > > thanks > johnnyf > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Tue Apr 27 09:29:29 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN In-Reply-To: <408D4F0B.9030001@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: Maybe oversimplified, but is the IP that's being advertised the IP of eth0? If so, try swapping the card order/IP's. Other than that, I don't know of a source-interface command such as Cisco routers have. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John Hawley Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:04 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN Hi. Isn't there a way to specify from which of multiple interfaces on a linux router a connection originates from? For example, I have a VPN gateway router at a remote office which also runs a slaved dns server for it's internal network. However, when sync'ing to the master dns server at the other end of the VPN, it advertises itself as coming from the IP assigned to its public interface. This confuses the routing somewhat at the other end. We put in a static route on the main office core router to point the remote office public IP back up the VPN. That fixed the dns sync'ing problem. But it created a new problem in that now the remote office server cannot 'see' the DMZ at the main office. The easy solution would be to remove the static route, but somehow get the dns service to source its IP from its internal interface. Possible? -- John Hawley jhawley@hissingdragon.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Tue Apr 27 11:14:57 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200404270400.i3R40F831518@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200404270400.i3R40F831518@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200404271114.57166.bwilinski@iexposure.com> I'm interested in a kvm. Ben On Monday 26 April 2004 23:00, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 > > 35+ units with the following: > Dual CPU IBM Mobo with a PII 233 or 266 & terminator > 32MB ECC DIMM > 4.5 SCSI IBM HDD > Onboard SCSI (dual channel), LAN, USB, Sound > 24X CD, Floppy 330W Power supply > If you need a monitor, KVM switch, RAM, or more hard disks I can grub it > up for you for a decent price. > > $$$ Price per unit: $95 > > My wife thanks you for your interest and help in liquidating these. > > Eric > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Mon Apr 26 15:48:55 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pasting between Open office and mozilla Message-ID: <408D75B7.1000700@onvoymail.com> Does any one know of a way to cut and paste between openofffice 1.1.0 and Mozilla? I can't seem to get it to work -- Carl Lindholm 206 Maryknoll Drive Stillwater,Mn 55082 (651) 439-8710 (612) 327-5037 To fly one must throw them self at the ground really hard and miss. The ride is the objective, the destination the mere excuse. :>) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ericebner at sherbtel.net Tue Apr 27 09:24:24 2004 From: ericebner at sherbtel.net (ericebner@sherbtel.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com><408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If so publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in someone's war driving... And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can find!!! Always looking to help. Eric > > On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Ben Bargabus wrote: > >> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >> bucks that we could replace it for them. > > Indeed. Thats a great facility and whoever took it not only made us all > look bad but pretty much boned our chances of holding one there. > > I'll pitch in to replace it if the jackass that stole it is too much of > a coward to fess up. > > >> Ben. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -- > Ben Lutgens > U.S. Admins, Inc > Server Gumby > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Apr 27 12:35:14 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pasting between Open office and mozilla In-Reply-To: <408D75B7.1000700@onvoymail.com> References: <408D75B7.1000700@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040427123514.A6998@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:48:55PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does any one know of a way to cut and paste between openofffice 1.1.0 > and Mozilla? I can't seem to get it to work It works for me with Mozilla 1.7b and Openoffice 1.1.1. Both X style right button select, middle button paste and Window's style Control-C Control-V work here. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Apr 27 13:13:14 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pasting between Open office and mozilla In-Reply-To: <20040427123514.A6998@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <408D75B7.1000700@onvoymail.com> <20040427123514.A6998@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <408EA2BA.8000602@structural-wood.com> Jim Crumley wrote: >On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:48:55PM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > > >>Does any one know of a way to cut and paste between openofffice 1.1.0 >>and Mozilla? I can't seem to get it to work >> >> > >It works for me with Mozilla 1.7b and Openoffice 1.1.1. Both X >style right button select, middle button paste and Window's style >Control-C Control-V work here. > > > This works for text, but what about images? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 27 13:42:16 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> References: <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> Message-ID: <20040427184216.GB25738@momentum.poptix.net> 00:0C:41:82:9B:D7, dug it out of my kismet logs lastnight. On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:24:24AM -0500, ericebner@sherbtel.net wrote: > I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If so > publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in > someone's war driving... > > And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can find!!! > > Always looking to help. > > Eric -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ericebner at nsatel.net Tue Apr 27 20:56:34 2004 From: ericebner at nsatel.net (Eric Ebner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20040427184216.GB25738@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: And there we have it. I would offer a reward of one of the IBM Netfinity servers I am selling in the classifieds if someone can find and return this to its owner. Eric On 4/27/04 1:42 PM, "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > 00:0C:41:82:9B:D7, dug it out of my kismet logs lastnight. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:24:24AM -0500, ericebner@sherbtel.net wrote: >> I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If so >> publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in >> someone's war driving... >> >> And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can find!!! >> >> Always looking to help. >> >> Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ericebner at nsatel.net Tue Apr 27 20:58:31 2004 From: ericebner at nsatel.net (Eric Ebner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200404271114.57166.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Message-ID: I will see what I have at the shop tomorrow and email you the specs/prices. Thanks for your interest. Eric On 4/27/04 11:14 AM, "Ben Wilinski" wrote: > I'm interested in a kvm. > > Ben > > > > On Monday 26 April 2004 23:00, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: >> New TCLUG Classified Ad >> >> Category: Computer >> >> Type of Ad: For Sale >> >> Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 >> >> 35+ units with the following: >> Dual CPU IBM Mobo with a PII 233 or 266 & terminator >> 32MB ECC DIMM >> 4.5 SCSI IBM HDD >> Onboard SCSI (dual channel), LAN, USB, Sound >> 24X CD, Floppy 330W Power supply >> If you need a monitor, KVM switch, RAM, or more hard disks I can grub it >> up for you for a decent price. >> >> $$$ Price per unit: $95 >> >> My wife thanks you for your interest and help in liquidating these. >> >> Eric >> >> >> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 27 22:36:49 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404280336.i3S3anO14837@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: older computers I have two computers for sale... 1. Pentium II 400, 128MB, Floppy, CD, NIC, NO HD, Generic ATX desktop case. $35 or B.O. 2. Pentium III 650, 128MB, Floppy, CD, NIC, 12.5 GB HD, Generic ATX mid tower. $80 or B.O. must pickup during the day in or nearby Shoreview http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Apr 27 22:47:26 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> References: <200404261219.33424.tanner@real-time.com><408D60B1.2080004@visi.com> <408D6459.708D27C9@ppdonline.com> <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> Message-ID: <1116.192.168.70.198.1083124046.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I love this idea! Rock on! > I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If > so publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in > someone's war driving... > > And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can > find!!! > > Always looking to help. > > Eric > >> >> On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Ben Bargabus wrote: >> >>> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >>> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >>> bucks that we could replace it for them. >> >> Indeed. Thats a great facility and whoever took it not only made us >> all look bad but pretty much boned our chances of holding one there. >> >> I'll pitch in to replace it if the jackass that stole it is too much >> of a coward to fess up. >> >> >>> Ben. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens >> U.S. Admins, Inc >> Server Gumby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 27 23:00:31 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404280400.i3S40VZ15273@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Megadrive Enterprise 8 Megadrive ER-8 Enterprise storage chassis with 8, 9.1 gb drives in a 19" rack mount chassis. Dual channel, Ultra wide, Differential SCSI Host interface. Power supplies, fans etc are fully redunant and hot swapable. Enterprise drive modules also Hot swapable. Front control panel has LED indicators for system status, failure alarms and allows manual configuration. Unit includes SCSI single-ended to differentail converters as drives for this unit are single-ended Asking $50 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Apr 27 23:01:09 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM In-Reply-To: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> (message from Dave Erickson on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:23:21 -0500) References: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: <200404280401.i3S419f20379@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Dave Erickson wrote: >I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I >was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD >or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk but >actually run the whole thing in ram? Puppy Linux runs mainly from RAM disk. This may be close to what you want. It is only 45MB compressed, so it can boot from a 64MB CF or pen drive. >What advantage would there be as far as actual speed increases? I would >guess the performance increase could be dramatic as there would be no >need to go to the HDD at all. >I just upgraded to 1 GB of RAM in my desktop computer and started >wondering.... Puppy Linux only needs a 200MHz CPU and 128MB RAM according to the author. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 28 00:31:00 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pasting between Open office and mozilla References: <408D75B7.1000700@onvoymail.com><20040427123514.A6998@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <408EA2BA.8000602@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <000401c42ce1$fde60330$0201a8c0@brinstar> Kent Schumacher writes: > This works for text, but what about images? You can't. You might have better luck using all KDE programs, for example. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Wed Apr 28 10:28:04 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200404280336.i3S3anO14837@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200404280336.i3S3anO14837@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200404281028.04588.bwilinski@iexposure.com> I'll take the PIII. ~Ben On Tuesday 27 April 2004 22:36, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: older computers > > I have two computers for sale... > > 1. Pentium II 400, 128MB, Floppy, CD, NIC, NO HD, Generic ATX desktop case. > $35 or B.O. > > 2. Pentium III 650, 128MB, Floppy, CD, NIC, 12.5 GB HD, Generic ATX mid > tower. $80 or B.O. > > must pickup during the day in or nearby Shoreview > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Wilinski Associate Systems Administrator bwilinski@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x34 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Wed Apr 28 11:42:20 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404281142.20202.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Thanks, Erik! Ben On Tuesday 27 April 2004 20:58, Eric Ebner wrote: > I will see what I have at the shop tomorrow and email you the specs/prices. > > Thanks for your interest. > > Eric > > On 4/27/04 11:14 AM, "Ben Wilinski" wrote: > > I'm interested in a kvm. > > > > Ben > > > > On Monday 26 April 2004 23:00, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > >> New TCLUG Classified Ad > >> > >> Category: Computer > >> > >> Type of Ad: For Sale > >> > >> Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 > >> > >> 35+ units with the following: > >> Dual CPU IBM Mobo with a PII 233 or 266 & terminator > >> 32MB ECC DIMM > >> 4.5 SCSI IBM HDD > >> Onboard SCSI (dual channel), LAN, USB, Sound > >> 24X CD, Floppy 330W Power supply > >> If you need a monitor, KVM switch, RAM, or more hard disks I can grub > >> it up for you for a decent price. > >> > >> $$$ Price per unit: $95 > >> > >> My wife thanks you for your interest and help in liquidating these. > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> > >> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Wed Apr 28 13:34:39 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing issue with VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408FF93F.7040103@hissingdragon.net> Daniel Rysztak wrote: >Maybe oversimplified, but is the IP that's being advertised the IP of eth0? >If so, try swapping the card order/IP's. Other than that, I don't know of a >source-interface command such as Cisco routers have. > > > no, eth0 is the internal nic. It may be advertising the IP on eth1 since that is the interface that the default route is set to? I've let the issue go for now because the only thing it was affecting was slaving DNS and I fixed that with Bind's 'transfer-source' setting. -- John Hawley jhawley@hissingdragon.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 28 18:56:00 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404282356.i3SNu0f29157@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: old stuff for free I have two computers to give away: 1. Dell OptiPlex GXa PII 233, 96MB, Floppy, CD, Integrated NIC, No HD 2. Generic AT Style P133, 32MB, CD, no floppy, no HD, no NIC must pickup in or near by Shoreview http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtran at agentissoftware.com Wed Apr 28 19:15:39 2004 From: dtran at agentissoftware.com (Dean Tran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smrsh: rt-mailgate not available for sendmail Message-ID: <200404290015.i3T0Fdc22649@voldemort.agentis.net> Hi , I am looking for some hints why I have the following errors. I run RT on linux Redhat7.1 The original message was received at Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:30:15 -0700 from ns.example.net [192.x.x.x] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/www/rt2/bin/rt-mailgate --queue support --action correspond" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: rt-mailgate not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Thanks in advanced, Dean _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ericebner at nsatel.net Wed Apr 28 21:53:43 2004 From: ericebner at nsatel.net (Eric Ebner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200404271114.57166.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Message-ID: I am sorry I was unable to get much time at the shop but I will be there again tomorrow. Thanks for being patient. Eric On 4/27/04 11:14 AM, "Ben Wilinski" wrote: > I'm interested in a kvm. > > Ben > > > > On Monday 26 April 2004 23:00, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: >> New TCLUG Classified Ad >> >> Category: Computer >> >> Type of Ad: For Sale >> >> Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 >> >> 35+ units with the following: >> Dual CPU IBM Mobo with a PII 233 or 266 & terminator >> 32MB ECC DIMM >> 4.5 SCSI IBM HDD >> Onboard SCSI (dual channel), LAN, USB, Sound >> 24X CD, Floppy 330W Power supply >> If you need a monitor, KVM switch, RAM, or more hard disks I can grub it >> up for you for a decent price. >> >> $$$ Price per unit: $95 >> >> My wife thanks you for your interest and help in liquidating these. >> >> Eric >> >> >> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 28 22:08:23 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smrsh: rt-mailgate not available for sendmail References: <200404290015.i3T0Fdc22649@voldemort.agentis.net> Message-ID: <002401c42d97$3ba70650$0a00a8c0@DELL2> You need to add rt-mailgate to smrsh as a approved program. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Tran" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: [TCLUG] smrsh: rt-mailgate not available for sendmail > Hi , > > I am looking for some hints why I have the following errors. I run RT on > linux Redhat7.1 > > The original message was received at Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:30:15 -0700 from > ns.example.net [192.x.x.x] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/var/www/rt2/bin/rt-mailgate --queue support --action correspond" > (reason: service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: rt-mailgate not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > Thanks in advanced, > > Dean > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Apr 29 08:25:53 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Linux from USB devices Message-ID: <200404291325.i3TDPrQ4007085@tundra.winternet.com> Has any one had success booting Linux from USB devices? If so, which boot loader and Linux distribution? Puppy Linux seems to have support for booting from USB flash or pen drive. I've tried a few machines whose BIOS supports USB device booting, but no luck so far. Puppy Linux 0.8.5 (released April 20th) uses syslinux to boot from flash. When booting it displays the single line SYSLINUX 2.08 2003-12-12 and hangs at that point. There is no indication that either the kernel or initrd even started to load. flash-puppy install simply removes all files from a flash device (FAT16) and copies the kernel (vmlinuz) and initrd (image.gz - entire distribution as a loop mounted ext2 filesystem in RAM). syslinux.cfg: default vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 initrd=image.gz append ramdisk_size=55296 PSLEEP=25 PHOME=sda1 PROOTFS=umsdos PKEYS=us PSLEEP, PHOME, PROOTFS and PKEYS are supposed to be passed to the kernel. I suspect that syslinux doesn't support all USB devices or perhaps there's something wrong with the syslinux.cfg. Any suggestions? I'm thinking about using a different boot loader to boot Puppy Linux from USB flash. Any suggestions? (I've heard that Puppy Linux 0.8.4 uses grub for booting from USB flash.) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lindholm at onvoymail.com Thu Apr 29 09:49:37 2004 From: lindholm at onvoymail.com (Carl Lindholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux Message-ID: <40911601.1060603@onvoymail.com> Does anyone out there do wireless Linux. I'll bet the farm there is. :-) Can you give me a recommendation on the gear? -- Carl Lindholm 206 Maryknoll Drive Stillwater,Mn 55082 (651) 439-8710 To fly one must throw them self at the ground really hard and miss. The ride is the objective, the destination the mere excuse. :>) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Apr 29 14:07:40 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I would say to stay away from the atheros chipset, there is no kernel support and not very well developed support in general. If you do want to give it a try anyway check out the madwifi project on sourceforge. I have had good luck with the prism2 cards using the Orinoco drivers Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Carl Lindholm Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:50 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux Does anyone out there do wireless Linux. I'll bet the farm there is. :-) Can you give me a recommendation on the gear? -- Carl Lindholm 206 Maryknoll Drive Stillwater,Mn 55082 (651) 439-8710 To fly one must throw them self at the ground really hard and miss. The ride is the objective, the destination the mere excuse. :>) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at math.umn.edu Thu Apr 29 14:22:42 2004 From: dave at math.umn.edu (Dave Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200404291422.42870.dave@math.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 29 April 2004 14:07, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I would say to stay away from the atheros chipset, there is no kernel > support and not very well developed support in general. I used to run a (atheros 5212?) D-Link AG520 (before the antenna broke off) on a wireless-only setup. It worked brilliantly for me. I had to download and install the madwifi drivers and set up a profile in Fedora Core (any distribution should support it). After that, I had no issues whatsoever. It supports the common wireless tools. There are also packages available for the madwifi drivers in FC1, if you want it to be really painless. I just don't see a lack of compatibilty in the atheros chipset. - -- - -dave Dave Carlson Systems Administrator (Consultant) 8 Vincent Hall 612-625-4895 PGP Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAkVYCzhF8S1MJl6cRArwnAKCSuP0rQ2cieBepClvrL07Qu56KpwCfXHoO zMj8yK0g7TMxC2Ft+rx6DQw= =Xx1A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 29 14:39:27 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I would say to stay away from the atheros chipset, there is no kernel > support and not very well developed support in general. If you do want > to give it a try anyway check out the madwifi project on sourceforge. I > have had good luck with the prism2 cards using the Orinoco drivers I must disagree with the atheros part - I've had rather excellent luck with the madwifi drivers. One chipset I'd avoid is anything by Broadcom -- they require the Windows driver loader thingy to make them work; there aren't open-source drivers. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 29 14:41:34 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <40911601.1060603@onvoymail.com> References: <40911601.1060603@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: <20040429194134.GB27320@momentum.poptix.net> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:49:37AM -0500, Carl Lindholm wrote: > Does anyone out there do wireless Linux. I'll bet the farm there is. :-) > Can you give me a recommendation on the gear? 802.11a/g Atheros 5004, 5354 Drivers: http://www.sf.net/projects/madwifi Where to buy: http://www.wisp-equipment.com/radios-pcmcia.html Prism54 Duette, GT, Indigo Drivers: www.prism54.org, now included in the latest kernels Where to buy: http://www.lanready.com/wpg2000.htm, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008PGJ7/seattlewirele-20 802.11b Intersil Prism2 based cards Drivers: http://hostap.epitest.fi/, orinoco in the kernel, linux-wlan.com Where to buy: http://www.edigitalwireless.com/detail.aspx?ID=2 (200mW) The Atheros and Prism54 drivers are equally mature under, the Prism2/2.5 drivers for 802.11b are rock solid. Atheros uses a binary only core for their radios due to FCC restrictions, the rest of the driver is open source. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Thu Apr 29 15:00:22 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <59630.156.98.187.230.1083075864.squirrel@webmail.sherbtel.net> Message-ID: <009501c42e24$9aeead10$c56000ae@tcat> I admire your choice discipline methods. Can we sign them up on vendors newsletters too? >:D FWIW, I'd be willing to chip a buck or two and I didn't even get to attend. I really like the folks at Benchmark and I hope they don't hold this against the whole group. Any chance they had security cameras in that spot? -----Original Message----- From: ericebner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:24 AM I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If so publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in someone's war driving... And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can find!!! Always looking to help. Eric > > On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Ben Bargabus wrote: > >> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >> bucks that we could replace it for them. > > Indeed. Thats a great facility and whoever took it not only made us > all look bad but pretty much boned our chances of holding one there. > > I'll pitch in to replace it if the jackass that stole it is too much > of a coward to fess up. > > >> Ben. >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Thu Apr 29 16:27:57 2004 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpt_i2o won't go away! Message-ID: <33157362.1083274079218.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Hi, I have a problem with one of my hosts. Hoping to get some helpful advice. I have a server that has undergone a change of scsi adapters. When I first built this machine, I used an adaptec IDE RAID controller to mirror two hard drives. This first controller used the dpt_i2o driver. Then I decided to put a RAID-5 array in there using linux software RAID. So I took out the IDE RAID controller, rebooted and let kudzu "see" that the IDE controller was gone. I installed an adaptec 29160 which uses the aic7xxx driver. Kudzu seemed to recognize it, but then I had to insmod the aic7xxx.o module to see any of the connected drives; after that everything seemed fine, and I got my raidtab set up and--hooray--everything was hunky dory. Upon a later reboot, however, things went south. Something or other was still trying to load dpt_i2o. To wit (from dmesg): RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Freeing initrd memory: 208k freed VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5 Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... If /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab reference my RAID array, then the machine won't boot; goes to a RAID repair shell. Even if I change /etc/modules.conf to include aic7xxx, the initrd image still seems to be wanting dpt_i2o on boot. Kudzu isn't kudding it! If I'm here in the building when the machine needs to be powered down for some reason, it's inconvenient but not a big deal...I just clear /etc/raidtab and take the entry out of /etc/fstab, reboot, insmod aic7xxx, restore /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab, raidstart, and mount -a. But if, say, power goes out and the machine boots on restore power...while I'm on vacation...you get the idea. I don't really know how to make a new initrd image, particularly considering that this machine is RH9.0 (running 2.4.20-28smp kernel by the way) and I've only recompiled a vanilla kernel in the past---don't want to hose the RH9.0 installation by trying to recompile kernel without knowing how it needs to be configured for RH9.0 to stay happy. OK, please excuse this garrulous post and let me know if anybody has any of the aforementioned helpful advice. Thanks in advance!!! Steve -- Steve Linabery World Cycling Productions This electronic message transmission contains information from the sender's organization that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the address listed in the "From:" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Thu Apr 29 13:29:34 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Abox linux, a small linux for embedding Message-ID: <20040429182934.GA615@dad1> I just wanted to mention that I've put together a small linux system based on debian stable http://www.turbobit.com/abox.html It's about a 14MB root fs. No initrd. Intended for embedding. Included is a cdrom bootable image so you can try it easily, Includes a working ssh and most of the basic utilities for bootstraping oneself. Might be worth a look, especially if you are a debian fan. Karl _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 29 17:48:12 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Linux from USB devices In-Reply-To: <200404291325.i3TDPrQ4007085@tundra.winternet.com> References: <200404291325.i3TDPrQ4007085@tundra.winternet.com> Message-ID: <2519.68.112.123.230.1083278892.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Has any one had success booting Linux from USB devices? If so, which > boot loader and Linux distribution? I use Flonix on my USB keychain. It's a 50MB image file booted by syslinux. > Puppy Linux 0.8.5 (released April 20th) uses syslinux to boot from > flash. When booting it displays the single line > SYSLINUX 2.08 2003-12-12 > and hangs at that point. There is no indication that either the > kernel or initrd even started to load. Try reinstalling syslinux, you can do this either from linux or DOS. syslinux /dev/sda1 OR syslinux E: > flash-puppy install simply removes all files from a flash device > (FAT16) and copies the kernel (vmlinuz) and initrd (image.gz - > entire distribution as a loop mounted ext2 filesystem in RAM). Most are this way. Anyone know if you can format a USB keychain as an other fs, such as ext3? > default vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 initrd=image.gz > append ramdisk_size=55296 PSLEEP=25 PHOME=sda1 PROOTFS=umsdos PKEYS=us Looks pretty standard. > I suspect that syslinux doesn't support all USB devices or perhaps > there's something wrong with the syslinux.cfg. Any suggestions? The BIOS takes care of that. If the BIOS will boot off a USB drive, the system treats it like a floppy disk. > I'm thinking about using a different boot loader to boot Puppy Linux > from USB flash. Any suggestions? (I've heard that Puppy Linux 0.8.4 > uses grub for booting from USB flash.) Never tried another boot loader. Syslinux has always worked, I'm wondering if it just corrupted during install. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From msenner at msn.com Thu Apr 29 18:02:13 2004 From: msenner at msn.com (MICHAEL SENNER) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with a dual-mozilla problem. Message-ID: Have installed Red Hat Linux 9.0, but my modem is an hcfpci modem and would not work with this kernel. Re-installed (as update) Fedora Core 1, whose kernel version was sufficient to allow me to install a driver for my modem. All was well. A few problems have been noticed with mozilla dropping out and having errors that mozilla could not report (a further error). Looking at my filestructure, I noted that I have both mozilla-1.2.1 as well as mozilla-1.4.1 loaded. They both reside in the /usr/lib directory, each under it's own directory name (/mozilla-1.2.1 and /mozilla-1.4.1). Both of these are i386 packages. My question is: Having downloaded a tar sourcecode for mozilla 1.6.1 for i686, how should I eliminate mozilla-1.2.1? Also, should I uninstall the mozilla-1.4.1 as well before installing the newer version? What about the /root and /home/(user)/.mozilla directories? This is my first posting to the TCLUG, so please be patient with me learning the TCLUG posting protocol. Let me know how I can improve my communications -- as well as getting further help. Thanks Pete Senner msenner@msn.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Apr 29 18:29:51 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with a dual-mozilla problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404291829.51420.barnabas@knicknack.net> Pete, Do you know which version of Mozilla you're running? Typing 'which mozilla= '=20 at a shell prompt should tell you. You probably want to just get rid of the old version. First type 'rpm -qa |= =20 grep mozilla' at the prompt. You'll probably see a bunch of files named=20 mozilla-*-1.2.1.*. Running 'rpm -e will get r= id=20 of the old version. As for upgrading to the latest, you may just to download the latest mozilla= =20 rpms and install them. I know that Dag Wieer's repository=20 (http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/) has version 1.6 since that's what I= =20 have on my updated FC1 system. I find yum to be a good tool for keeping my system up to date. Since FC1=20 comes with apt, just 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install yum' to install= =20 yum. Then update /etc/yum.conf to point to the Dag's repository and also=20 freshrpm.net (http://freshrpms.net). In fact, I recommend using the freshr= pm=20 repository for even the core files instead of the redhat FC1 repository=20 because the former is so much faster. If any of this is confusing, don't hesitate to ask. Eric On Thursday 29 April 2004 18:02, MICHAEL SENNER wrote: > Have installed Red Hat Linux 9.0, but my modem is an hcfpci modem and wou= ld > not work with this kernel. Re-installed (as update) Fedora Core 1, whose > kernel version was sufficient to allow me to install a driver for my mode= m. > All was well. A few problems have been noticed with mozilla dropping out > and having errors that mozilla could not report (a further error). Looki= ng > at my filestructure, I noted that I have both mozilla-1.2.1 as well as > mozilla-1.4.1 loaded. They both reside in the /usr/lib directory, each > under it's own directory name (/mozilla-1.2.1 and /mozilla-1.4.1). Both = of > these are i386 packages. > > My question is: > Having downloaded a tar sourcecode for mozilla 1.6.1 for i686, how should= I > eliminate mozilla-1.2.1? Also, should I uninstall the mozilla-1.4.1 as > well before installing the newer version? What about the /root and > /home/(user)/.mozilla directories? > > This is my first posting to the TCLUG, so please be patient with me > learning the TCLUG posting protocol. Let me know how I can improve my > communications -- as well as getting further help. > > Thanks > > Pete Senner > msenner@msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Thu Apr 29 19:11:33 2004 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POSTFIX and MySQL Integration. Message-ID: <200404300011.i3U0Bad24792@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Apr 29 20:42:59 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: (message from Nate Carlson on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:39:27 -0500 (CDT)) References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Nate Carlson wrote: >One chipset I'd avoid is anything by Broadcom -- they require the Windows >driver loader thingy to make them work; there aren't open-source drivers. Does this apply to any chipset by Broadcom or just any wireless chipset by Broadcom? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Apr 29 21:18:37 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Linux from USB devices In-Reply-To: <2519.68.112.123.230.1083278892.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> (lxy@cloudnet.com) References: <200404291325.i3TDPrQ4007085@tundra.winternet.com> <2519.68.112.123.230.1083278892.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <200404300218.i3U2Ibq15411@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >> Has any one had success booting Linux from USB devices? If so, which >> boot loader and Linux distribution? Brian wrote: >I use Flonix on my USB keychain. It's a 50MB image file booted by syslinux. Thanks for the response! I'll take a look at Flonix. >> Puppy Linux 0.8.5 (released April 20th) uses syslinux to boot from >> flash. When booting it displays the single line >> SYSLINUX 2.08 2003-12-12 >> and hangs at that point. There is no indication that either the >> kernel or initrd even started to load. >Try reinstalling syslinux, you can do this either from linux or DOS. >syslinux /dev/sda1 >OR >syslinux E: I tried both of the above to no avail. syslinux.com doesn't work on MS Windows 2000 Pro (requires syslinux.exe). >> flash-puppy install simply removes all files from a flash device >> (FAT16) and copies the kernel (vmlinuz) and initrd (image.gz - >> entire distribution as a loop mounted ext2 filesystem in RAM). >Most are this way. Anyone know if you can format a USB keychain as an >other fs, such as ext3? How many flash install-able Linux distributions are there? I really just need one that works well. >> I suspect that syslinux doesn't support all USB devices or perhaps >> there's something wrong with the syslinux.cfg. Any suggestions? >The BIOS takes care of that. If the BIOS will boot off a USB drive, the >system treats it like a floppy disk. The BIOS USB drivers could be the problem. I assume syslinux uses BIOS call backs to access USB bridges and devices. Both the BIOS and the boot loader have to work together and be relatively bug free. Maybe the BIOS simply doesn't support booting from my USB pen drive (PNY 64MB). (The BIOS does detect the USB pen drive and offers it as a menu selection in the BIOS boot menu.) >> I'm thinking about using a different boot loader to boot Puppy Linux >> from USB flash. Any suggestions? (I've heard that Puppy Linux 0.8.4 >> uses grub for booting from USB flash.) >Never tried another boot loader. Syslinux has always worked, I'm >wondering if it just corrupted during install. I also tried executing "syslinux.exe e:" using a binary downloaded from the syslinux site. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ericebner at nsatel.net Thu Apr 29 21:58:26 2004 From: ericebner at nsatel.net (Eric Ebner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <009501c42e24$9aeead10$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: By all means. That and request info on all of the pop up adds that you get on a few select sites. Isn't vigilantism neat. E On 4/29/04 3:00 PM, "Dana Millaway" wrote: > I admire your choice discipline methods. Can we sign them up on vendors > newsletters too? >:D > > FWIW, I'd be willing to chip a buck or two and I didn't even get to attend. > I really like the folks at Benchmark and I hope they don't hold this against > the whole group. Any chance they had security cameras in that spot? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ericebner > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:24 AM > > > I don't suppose anyone knows the mac address of this access point? If so > publish it. If it hasn't been ebayed, I am sure it will turn up in > someone's war driving... > > And then, we sign the villian up for every trade publication we can find!!! > > Always looking to help. > > Eric > >> >> On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Ben Bargabus wrote: >> >>> If it doesn't reappear please post something to the list. I'm sure >>> there are enough people here who would be willing to pitch in a few >>> bucks that we could replace it for them. >> >> Indeed. Thats a great facility and whoever took it not only made us >> all look bad but pretty much boned our chances of holding one there. >> >> I'll pitch in to replace it if the jackass that stole it is too much >> of a coward to fess up. >> >> >>> Ben. >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Apr 29 21:55:44 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unix-based os or Linux on Linksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broadband Router Message-ID: <20040430025544.GA50363@nan2d.com> Has anyone done sutch a thing? I was reading a little bit about how people got to login to the WRT54G router, and even get a complete working environment where they can change the configurations of the device (for example, the wireless security.) It looks like an interesting project, has anyone done this? Is it worth the set up? Or is it pointless hacking? http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 29 22:02:46 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <4091C1D6.7010508@cascopoint.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >Nate Carlson wrote: > > > >>One chipset I'd avoid is anything by Broadcom -- they require the Windows >>driver loader thingy to make them work; there aren't open-source drivers. >> >> > >Does this apply to any chipset by Broadcom or just any wireless chipset >by Broadcom? > > > Well the gigabit Broadcom Tigon3 chipset has very good support, I`d even say probably even better then Intel e1000, and even performs better. In a source driver tg3. >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 29 22:13:40 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Does this apply to any chipset by Broadcom or just any wireless chipset > by Broadcom? Just the wireless stuff -- most of their true ethernet chips will work. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Apr 29 21:50:35 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpt_i2o won't go away! In-Reply-To: <33157362.1083274079218.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <33157362.1083274079218.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <4091BEFB.3090208@cascopoint.com> Steve Linabery wrote: >Hi, > > > my guess would be that you need to rebuild the initrd image, under redhat it is mkinitrd command, it has some options for inclusion or ommision of the modules from the initrd image. look in the man. I advise you make a second entry in you bootloader ( lilo or grub whatever your choice is) and place a new entry with a new initrd image into it, in case something goes wrong. of couse you can bootup with an old initrd image via kernel options , but for that keep it intact. what I want to say is watch your step :) you are on the right track guess you probably figured out this whole thing by yourself by the time you get the reply :) >I have a problem with one of my hosts. Hoping to get some helpful >advice. > >I have a server that has undergone a change of scsi adapters. When I >first built this machine, I used an adaptec IDE RAID controller to >mirror two hard drives. This first controller used the dpt_i2o driver. > >Then I decided to put a RAID-5 array in there using linux software RAID. >So I took out the IDE RAID controller, rebooted and let kudzu "see" that >the IDE controller was gone. > >I installed an adaptec 29160 which uses the aic7xxx driver. Kudzu seemed >to recognize it, but then I had to insmod the aic7xxx.o module to see >any of the connected drives; after that everything seemed fine, and I >got my raidtab set up and--hooray--everything was hunky dory. > >Upon a later reboot, however, things went south. Something or other was >still trying to load dpt_i2o. To wit (from dmesg): >RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 >Freeing initrd memory: 208k freed >VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). >SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 >Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5 >Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... > >If /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab reference my RAID array, then the machine >won't boot; goes to a RAID repair shell. Even if I change >/etc/modules.conf to include aic7xxx, the initrd image still seems to be >wanting dpt_i2o on boot. Kudzu isn't kudding it! > >If I'm here in the building when the machine needs to be powered down >for some reason, it's inconvenient but not a big deal...I just clear >/etc/raidtab and take the entry out of /etc/fstab, reboot, insmod >aic7xxx, restore /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab, raidstart, and mount -a. > >But if, say, power goes out and the machine boots on restore >power...while I'm on vacation...you get the idea. > >I don't really know how to make a new initrd image, particularly >considering that this machine is RH9.0 (running 2.4.20-28smp kernel by >the way) and I've only recompiled a vanilla kernel in the past---don't >want to hose the RH9.0 installation by trying to recompile kernel >without knowing how it needs to be configured for RH9.0 to stay happy. > >OK, please excuse this garrulous post and let me know if anybody has any >of the aforementioned helpful advice. > >Thanks in advance!!! >Steve > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Apr 30 00:41:36 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200404300541.i3U5faR14379@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Sun Ultra 10s For sale: Ultra 10 Elite 3D/333 Mhz/256MB/SCSI card/9.1 GB 7200rpm Ultra 10 Creator 3D/300 Mhz/IDE/9.1 GB 7200rpm Make offer. Neal nkras at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 30 00:46:39 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <4091C1D6.7010508@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > Well the gigabit Broadcom Tigon3 chipset has very good support, I`d even > say probably even better then Intel e1000, and even performs better. In > a source driver tg3. Well, when the driver doesn't lock up your system, anyway[1]. In Mr. Garzik's defense, though, tg3 is a LOT better[2] than Broadcom's driver for the same chipset (bcm5700), which has problems with heavy loads. The summary I've heard is that the hardware sucks, and either driver has to compensate for that fact. But, IANAKH (kernel hacker); I'm just regurgitating what I've read on linux-poweredge[3], where this has been a popular issue, due to Dell putting the Tigon3 chipset on some PowerEdge motherboards. Just thought I'd chime in. Jima 1. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79997 2. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hardware.dell.poweredge/3000 3. http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Fri Apr 30 07:08:02 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpt_i2o won't go away! In-Reply-To: <33157362.1083274079218.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <33157362.1083274079218.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <1083326882.2787.12.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Is it still referenced in /etc/sysconfig/hwconf ? I had a sorta similar thing happen once where I changed out some HW and let kudzu do it's thing but things did not go well. Seems /etc/sysconfig/hwconf still had the old HW in it. My solution ended up being moving /etc/sysconfig/hwconf to something like /etc/sysconfig/hwconf.old and re-running kudzu-- everything was hunky-dory thereafter. It appears that /etc/sysconfig/hwconf gets used if it exists but if it doesn't then kudzu regenerates it. --greg On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 16:27, Steve Linabery wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem with one of my hosts. Hoping to get some helpful > advice. > > I have a server that has undergone a change of scsi adapters. When I > first built this machine, I used an adaptec IDE RAID controller to > mirror two hard drives. This first controller used the dpt_i2o driver. > > Then I decided to put a RAID-5 array in there using linux software RAID. > So I took out the IDE RAID controller, rebooted and let kudzu "see" that > the IDE controller was gone. > > I installed an adaptec 29160 which uses the aic7xxx driver. Kudzu seemed > to recognize it, but then I had to insmod the aic7xxx.o module to see > any of the connected drives; after that everything seemed fine, and I > got my raidtab set up and--hooray--everything was hunky dory. > > Upon a later reboot, however, things went south. Something or other was > still trying to load dpt_i2o. To wit (from dmesg): > RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 > Freeing initrd memory: 208k freed > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5 > Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... > > If /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab reference my RAID array, then the machine > won't boot; goes to a RAID repair shell. Even if I change > /etc/modules.conf to include aic7xxx, the initrd image still seems to be > wanting dpt_i2o on boot. Kudzu isn't kudding it! > > If I'm here in the building when the machine needs to be powered down > for some reason, it's inconvenient but not a big deal...I just clear > /etc/raidtab and take the entry out of /etc/fstab, reboot, insmod > aic7xxx, restore /etc/raidtab and /etc/fstab, raidstart, and mount -a. > > But if, say, power goes out and the machine boots on restore > power...while I'm on vacation...you get the idea. > > I don't really know how to make a new initrd image, particularly > considering that this machine is RH9.0 (running 2.4.20-28smp kernel by > the way) and I've only recompiled a vanilla kernel in the past---don't > want to hose the RH9.0 installation by trying to recompile kernel > without knowing how it needs to be configured for RH9.0 to stay happy. > > OK, please excuse this garrulous post and let me know if anybody has any > of the aforementioned helpful advice. > > Thanks in advance!!! > Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 30 07:33:51 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Linux from USB devices In-Reply-To: <200404300218.i3U2Ibq15411@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200404291325.i3TDPrQ4007085@tundra.winternet.com><2519.68.112.123.230.1083278892.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <200404300218.i3U2Ibq15411@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <2738.68.112.123.230.1083328431.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > syslinux.com doesn't work on MS Windows 2000 Pro (requires syslinux.exe). Win2000/XP has issues with syslinux because of the HAL and virtual hardware. Try it on a Win98 box. I've never gotten syslinux to work on Win2000. I also scrapped together a DOS disk to do the same thing, if you'd like I can e-mail you the image file. > How many flash install-able Linux distributions are there? I really > just need one that works well. Not sure. I posted here about 6 months ago on the topic, you should dig through the archives. I'm only aware of 3 or 4, but depending on your needs you may find more. I was concerned about running X mostly. > The BIOS USB drivers could be the problem. I assume syslinux uses BIOS > call backs to access USB bridges and devices. Pretty much. From what I've figured out, the BIOS more than the boot loader. It seems that by the time the boot loader starts, it's already been determined that you're booting off a floppy disk. I could be way off, but that's been my experience. > Both the BIOS and the boot loader have to work together and be relatively > bug free. Maybe the BIOS simply doesn't support booting from my USB pen drive (PNY 64MB). > (The BIOS does detect the USB pen drive and offers it as a menu > selection in the BIOS boot menu.) It's possible. I can take my flonix USB drive and boot it on a workstation, only to find it doesn't boot on a laptop, even though I can boot from other USB drives. It sees the keychain on bootup, it just refuses to attempt a boot from it. > I also tried executing "syslinux.exe e:" using a binary downloaded from > the syslinux site. That is what you need, try it from an OS other than NT/2K/XP. The other thing you can try doing is a sys E: from Win98, get DOS booting on your USB drive, then use loadlin to start linux. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 30 07:40:16 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: POSTFIX and MySQL Integration. References: <200404300011.i3U0Bad24792@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Message-ID: Jason Lanpher writes: > ? HTML content follows ? HTML mail is pointless and wastes bandwidth. Please dont use it. > ????????? I was wondering if anyone has undertaken the task of getting > Postfix to use MySQL for authentication?? If so if you have any helpful > hints of guides/web sites/tutorials that helped you accomplish this task I > would appreciate it if you could share you insight. i have. It works great! i used the howto gentoo howto available here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml but if you go to www.postfix.org there are several other howtos that you can use. They all say the exact same thing pretty much. please note that if you do this then procmail will no longer work and you will have to use maildrop as a MDA/mail filter. also i am still having problems with SA on a per virtual user basis. nothing major, its just that you cannoty have individual SA settings. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Apr 30 08:24:43 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] unix-based os or Linux on Linksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broadband Router In-Reply-To: <20040430025544.GA50363@nan2d.com> References: <20040430025544.GA50363@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040430132443.GA26598@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Apr 29, 2004), Andrei Bazhgin was madly tapping out: > Has anyone done sutch a thing? > > I was reading a little bit about how people got to login to the > WRT54G router, and even get a complete working environment where > they can change the configurations of the device (for example, the > wireless security.) It looks like an interesting project, has anyone > done this? Is it worth the set up? Or is it pointless hacking? > > http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html > i've done a considerable amount of hacking on the wrt54g and i have to say it's well worth spending time and the small amount of money on it. there are some alternative images available from other folks who have ported useful bits to the 54g. if you're really interested in hacking on the platform there's a really good mailing list [1] specifically regarding the WRT54G. there are also some folks on the tcwug list that have been playing with it as well. references ---------- [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WRT54G/ -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 30 09:54:12 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAF2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040430145412.GI22168@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 30 10:00:42 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: <009501c42e24$9aeead10$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <20040430150042.GK22168@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 30 09:58:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... Message-ID: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 30 10:20:14 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20040430150042.GK22168@wookimus.net> References: <009501c42e24$9aeead10$c56000ae@tcat> <20040430150042.GK22168@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1095.156.98.100.45.1083338414.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I recommend making a public accouncement, the MAC, the model and any > other information about the device with an admonishment of such behavior > on the TCLUG website. I agree, a large announcement on the home page is warranted if the AP isn't to Bob by today (today is the deadline, right Bob?) New poll is up http://www.mn-linux.org/ -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Apr 30 10:48:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? Message-ID: <1083340105.5387.73.camel@unixws1> > I agree, a large announcement on the home page is warranted if the AP > isn't to Bob by today (today is the deadline, right Bob?) > > New poll is up http://www.mn-linux.org/ > > -Brian I think you should change the poll question to read "Did you NOT steal the AP?" and then whoever votes "no" or doesn't vote is the thief! Bob - if United Properties gets the power situation solved in the conference rooms, you guys are welcome back to France Place. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Apr 30 10:48:45 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with a dual-mozilla problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16530.30045.647273.789142@gargle.gargle.HOWL> What I've ended up doing is just installing Mozilla by hand, and ignoring the various distros' attempts to keep up. So what I do is just download a Mozilla installer. Run the installer and tell it to put Mozilla in ~/mozilla-. Then I put a link to ~/mozilla-/mozilla in ~/bin (which is in my PATH). You will also probably want to find the menu entries and/or desktop or task bar icons, and make them point to ~/bin/mozilla. Now you can just keep getting whatever Mozillas you want without root mode. Just update the ~/bin/mozilla link when you do, and all the icons and what-have-you will just work. This makes installing and controlling plugins easier, too. YMMV, but I find this much less hassle, and it gets me a Mozilla version that's just as fresh or stale as I want.... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Fri Apr 30 13:16:12 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair? Message-ID: <200404301316.12797.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Is there any place in the TC's that repairs monitors? -- Ben Wilinski _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Apr 30 13:59:59 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair? In-Reply-To: <200404301316.12797.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Message-ID: A Russian guy was moonlighting from a repair shop and did some fine work for me on 5 or so cases. I have his home number and it may still be good. I'd question whether repair is really worth it today, since good, recycled monitors are so often available at lower prices than repairs. I doubt that my old "pro-class" Mitsubishi 20" RGB monitors are worth the minimum cost of inspection today even if they are very well-built. I'm tempted to get 17" or 19" flat screen CRTs instead of even looking at these not-quite-broke old friends. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Wilinski > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:16 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair? > > > Is there any place in the TC's that repairs monitors? > > -- > Ben Wilinski _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri Apr 30 14:19:27 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Server... Message-ID: I just acquired via trade a Micron NetFrame 6200. It has no RAM or HDs, but otherwise is nice. Has 1 P-III 550 Xeon (512k cache) Can do quad-way CPUs EDO Memory (16 slots, banks of 4, max of 4GB/256MB per slot) SCSI HDs (not fully sure what type...hoping same as what I have at home, can't recall at the moment) So, my question is, where could I find for cheap PIII Xeon SEC CPUs, Preferrably on the upper end of the PIII range (800+?) and EDO 168 pin memory...I've looked a bit, but so far I'm finding 128MB for ~$50 and 256MB for ~90. CPUs are ~$50 each for the 550. Just lists of sites to check is okay, I can look myself (will also help to build list of sites, heh..) I have checked pricewatch, and will check froogle and newegg.... Thanks guys! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Apr 30 14:37:02 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Server... Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63EB5@ipserver2.interplastic.com> You might check with In Focus (952) 345-5816. We've found used ram through them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Bachman [SMTP:kcbnac@myrealbox.com] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:19 PM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: [TCLUG] New Server... > > I just acquired via trade a Micron NetFrame 6200. It has no RAM or HDs, > but > otherwise is nice. > > Has 1 P-III 550 Xeon (512k cache) > > Can do quad-way CPUs > EDO Memory (16 slots, banks of 4, max of 4GB/256MB per slot) > SCSI HDs (not fully sure what type...hoping same as what I have at home, > can't recall at the moment) > > So, my question is, where could I find for cheap PIII Xeon SEC CPUs, > Preferrably on the upper end of the PIII range (800+?) and EDO 168 pin > memory...I've looked a bit, but so far I'm finding 128MB for ~$50 and > 256MB > for ~90. CPUs are ~$50 each for the 550. > > Just lists of sites to check is okay, I can look myself (will also help to > build list of sites, heh..) I have checked pricewatch, and will check > froogle and newegg.... > > Thanks guys! > > Keith Bachman > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 30 15:53:52 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Server... In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63EB5@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63EB5@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <4092BCE0.2030207@visi.com> Check Materials Processing Corporation http://www.materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html Nice place to shop and very cheep. rware@interplastic.com wrote: >You might check with In Focus (952) 345-5816. We've found used ram through >them. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Bachman [SMTP:kcbnac@myrealbox.com] >>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:19 PM >>To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' >>Subject: [TCLUG] New Server... >> >>I just acquired via trade a Micron NetFrame 6200. It has no RAM or HDs, >>but >>otherwise is nice. >> >>Has 1 P-III 550 Xeon (512k cache) >> >>Can do quad-way CPUs >>EDO Memory (16 slots, banks of 4, max of 4GB/256MB per slot) >>SCSI HDs (not fully sure what type...hoping same as what I have at home, >>can't recall at the moment) >> >>So, my question is, where could I find for cheap PIII Xeon SEC CPUs, >>Preferrably on the upper end of the PIII range (800+?) and EDO 168 pin >>memory...I've looked a bit, but so far I'm finding 128MB for ~$50 and >>256MB >>for ~90. CPUs are ~$50 each for the 550. >> >>Just lists of sites to check is okay, I can look myself (will also help to >>build list of sites, heh..) I have checked pricewatch, and will check >>froogle and newegg.... >> >>Thanks guys! >> >>Keith Bachman >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 30 16:57:01 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Meeting tomorrow!!! In-Reply-To: <20040430201154.GB23056@fandre.com> References: <20040430201154.GB23056@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040430215701.GC3168@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri Apr 30 17:20:57 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4092D149.9000800@cascopoint.com> Jima wrote: >On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > > >>Well the gigabit Broadcom Tigon3 chipset has very good support, I`d even >>say probably even better then Intel e1000, and even performs better. In >>a source driver tg3. >> >> > > Well, when the driver doesn't lock up your system, anyway[1]. In Mr. >Garzik's defense, though, tg3 is a LOT better[2] than Broadcom's driver >for the same chipset (bcm5700), which has problems with heavy loads. The >summary I've heard is that the hardware sucks, and either driver has to >compensate for that fact. But, IANAKH (kernel hacker); I'm just >regurgitating what I've read on linux-poweredge[3], where this has been a >popular issue, due to Dell putting the Tigon3 chipset on some PowerEdge >motherboards. > Just thought I'd chime in. > > Hm, cant comment on the issues you`ve mentioned since it was resolved more then a year ago and I first saw a tg3 in feb 2003 , back then it probably was happening, e1000 also had some issues. And still has them but I guess that is just a hardware thing, mostly bad duplex negotiation behaviour, I always lock the speed and duplex on a production boxes, but clients used to not do this and many e1000 were installed on a Tyan motherboards that were in the servers on colocation. Other then duplex and back then missing support for NAPI e1000 was great, though tg3 seemed a little more cleaner. The last I`ve seen those about 2 month ago, none had any issues and performed beutifully, all thanks to Jeff Garzik and I guess a lot of effort on Intel part, they are doing a great job, and thanks for NAPI support. > Jima > >1. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79997 >2. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hardware.dell.poweredge/3000 >3. http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 30 17:42:44 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Linux In-Reply-To: <200404300142.i3U1gxu14980@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: SMC2802W - EZ Connect g 2.4GHz 54 Mbps Wireless PCI Card Looks like CompUSA has this one on sale for $29.99 ($10 instant rebate, $40 mail in.) Bad part: rebate ends 4/30/04. Ugh...today! Think I'm going to hit CompUSA ASAP, and drag my girlfriend along to get around the 1 unit per household. :) (Obviously I'm looking for a PCI card, not PCMCIA/Cardbus/PC Card/whatever people want to call it today.) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 30 18:19:49 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Honest mistake vs Theft at Installfest? In-Reply-To: <1095.156.98.100.45.1083338414.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <009501c42e24$9aeead10$c56000ae@tcat> <20040430150042.GK22168@wookimus.net> <1095.156.98.100.45.1083338414.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <200404301819.49736@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 30 April 2004 10:20 am, Brian wrote: > > I recommend making a public accouncement, the MAC, the model and any > > other information about the device with an admonishment of such behavior > > on the TCLUG website. > > I agree, a large announcement on the home page is warranted if the AP > isn't to Bob by today (today is the deadline, right Bob?) > > New poll is up http://www.mn-linux.org/ Didn't get the AP back. I've worked with Benchmark to make "right" the incident. Let's just drop the thread and learn from this issue for any future TCLUG events. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 30 18:32:09 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Real Time to offer $30/month Virtualized Linux Servers: Testers needed? Message-ID: <200404301832.09543@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> First, I apologize for the cheap sales plug, but I couldn't think of any other way to get this information out to the tclug and the tclug is the only place I know where I can get qualified people :-). I did mark this email "OT" :-) Real Time is about to roll out virtualized linux servers and we are looking for testers. This will be UML instance with: 256M RAM 5.0G disk Debian or Fedora (for now) You'll have complete access to the virtual machine (ie root) and be able to pretty much any -legal- activity. For being a tester, here is what I'll throw in: - 1 month free, so you get get everything up and running as you want. - If you decide to keep the VM after your initial free month, a fix rate or $30/month going forward (we aren't sure what we will charge after the testing period) - A cool(?) Real Time denim shirt :-P - My eternal gratitude :-) I'm looking for 5-10 tclug members to help us test. First come first serve. Please contact me *OFFLIST* if you are interested. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From krblack at penguinpackets.com Fri Apr 30 20:46:18 2004 From: krblack at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QEMU CPU Emulator? Message-ID: <1083375977.10925.18.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> Has anybody tried this? http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ Looks promising. I have been running other OS's (like OS/2 (don't ask) under bochs (bochs.sf.net), but find it a bit slow). It looks like it has been maturing rapidly lately to be able to handle a few host os's and says it is "fast". Just wondering if anybody could share what they found... >From initial trials of installs of other os's to disk images created using bochs it seems to be many times faster. Thanks, -- Kelly Black _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Apr 30 23:08:43 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor repair? In-Reply-To: <200404301316.12797.bwilinski@iexposure.com> (message from Ben Wilinski on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:16:12 -0500) References: <200404301316.12797.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <200405010408.i4148ha30461@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Ben Wilinski wrote: >Is there any place in the TC's that repairs monitors? Raymond Computer a block north of University Ave. on Raymond Ave does. They repaired an old multi-sync Amiga monitor for me several years ago and I'm certain they still repair monitors as well as other computer components. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 30 16:48:47 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Meeting tomorrow!!! Message-ID: <20040430201154.GB23056@fandre.com> Just a reminder that we are having a TCLUG monthly meeting tomorrow. Next TCLUG Meeting When: May 1st, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: SANS An engineer from Xiotech will be talking about SAN technology. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list