From nate at refried.org Wed Dec 1 10:11:42 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot book review: Developing Applications With Objective Caml In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041201161142.GA7916@refried.org> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 10:55:32PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote: > As my presentation this saturday is *why* you should learn Ocaml, I > thought I'd forward this link on *how*: Are we having a meeting this Saturday? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:26:11 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? Message-ID: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cpg/50759255.html thought someone may be able to get something out of this.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Dec 1 11:29:30 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot book review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sniff, Sniff, I see dead trees... > > Sam. > > Maybe with a little help, O'Reilly will actually publish it on dead > > trees here in the states. > > > >Brian If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. --Jack Handy Deep Thoughts _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Dec 1 12:04:23 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:26:11AM -0600, John Meier wrote: > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cpg/50759255.html > > thought someone may be able to get something out of this.... I'm curious to know if I have all the right answers for the pop quiz. ;) > THE BIG QUESTIONS (well, not really, but it still sounds good) > > -------------------------------- > 1. (T/F) RIP, RIP2, are static routing table protocols? > > 2. 0.0.0.0 in a routing table signifies what? > > 3. The differences between a LAN, WAN, VLAN and WLAN? > > 4. 2 possible ways of connecting from a WAN to a LAN? (With just a > little detail) > > 5. The "-A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -p TCP -d 172.191.21.5 --dport 8000 > -j ACCEPT" > command can be used with? ( A. ipchains B. iptables C. route D. all of > the previous E. none of the previous) > > 6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus > Question) > -------------------------------- 1. F 2. the default gateway 3. Local Area Network - low latency, high speed localized network Wide Area Network - high latency network for connecting LANs Virtual LAN - Allows you to map ports on a switch or router to specific IP networks Wireless LAN - That new WiFi thingy. ;) 4. ATM and Frame relay. (I haven't done this so I really don't know) 5. ipchains (and the reason why I use pf) 6. Singers? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Dec 1 12:38:37 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> Message-ID: <41136.12.47.38.130.1101926317.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Vaya con Dios is a song, but Charlie Parker was, I thought, Elvis Presley's manager. Who the hell's Jay-Z??? >> >> 6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus >> Question) >> -------------------------------- > > 1. F > 2. the default gateway > 3. Local Area Network - low latency, high speed localized network > Wide Area Network - high latency network for connecting LANs > Virtual LAN - Allows you to map ports on a switch or router to > specific IP networks > Wireless LAN - That new WiFi thingy. ;) > 4. ATM and Frame relay. (I haven't done this so I really don't know) > 5. ipchains (and the reason why I use pf) > 6. Singers? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Wed Dec 1 12:15:08 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> Message-ID: <41AE0A2C.6060302@ryanorourke.org> nate@refried.org wrote: >>6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus >>Question) > 6. Singers? I don't think I've heard Bird sing.... Maybe "musicians" is all they're looking for? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Dec 1 12:47:53 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <41136.12.47.38.130.1101926317.squirrel@12.47.38.130> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41136.12.47.38.130.1101926317.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: >>> 6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus >>> Question) On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Garrett Krueger wrote: > Vaya con Dios is a song, but Charlie Parker was, I thought, Elvis > Presley's manager. Who the hell's Jay-Z??? Charlie Parker was the greatest-ever, alto-sax playing bebop jazz performer/composer. He was also known as "Yardbird" or "Bird." I think you are thinking of Colonel Parker. Jay-Z is a hip-hop guy. Vaya con Dios is a song, but it is also a band. So all three are musical acts, but I'm not sure if they have more in common than that. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Dec 1 13:22:04 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41136.12.47.38.130.1101926317.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: <35303.12.47.38.130.1101928924.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Yup, Col. Parker. I just didn't realize that was a different person. Jay-Z I kind of figured out that Jay-Z had to be something to do with dance/rap/hip-hop type stuff :) >>>> 6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus >>>> Question) > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Garrett Krueger wrote: > >> Vaya con Dios is a song, but Charlie Parker was, I thought, Elvis >> Presley's manager. Who the hell's Jay-Z??? > > Charlie Parker was the greatest-ever, alto-sax playing bebop jazz > performer/composer. He was also known as "Yardbird" or "Bird." I think > you are thinking of Colonel Parker. Jay-Z is a hip-hop guy. Vaya con > Dios is a song, but it is also a band. So all three are musical acts, but > I'm not sure if they have more in common than that. > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at neigebauer.com Wed Dec 1 13:23:21 2004 From: tclug at neigebauer.com (Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <35303.12.47.38.130.1101928924.squirrel@12.47.38.130> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41136.12.47.38.130.1101926317.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <35303.12.47.38.130.1101928924.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: <41AE1A29.7000807@neigebauer.com> It's interesting that the part of the question with some doubt was the part totally unrelated to linux and networking. Garrett Krueger wrote: >Yup, Col. Parker. I just didn't realize that was a different person. >Jay-Z I kind of figured out that Jay-Z had to be something to do with >dance/rap/hip-hop type stuff :) > > > >>>>>6. Vaya Con Dios, Jay-Z and Charlie Parker are all what? (Bonus >>>>>Question) >>>>> >>>>> >>On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Garrett Krueger wrote: >> >> >> >>>Vaya con Dios is a song, but Charlie Parker was, I thought, Elvis >>>Presley's manager. Who the hell's Jay-Z??? >>> >>> >>Charlie Parker was the greatest-ever, alto-sax playing bebop jazz >>performer/composer. He was also known as "Yardbird" or "Bird." I think >>you are thinking of Colonel Parker. Jay-Z is a hip-hop guy. Vaya con >>Dios is a song, but it is also a band. So all three are musical acts, but >>I'm not sure if they have more in common than that. >> >>Mike >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:43:45 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Already with the genetic discrimination? It's the beginning of the end. QQ On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:26:11 -0600, John Meier wrote: > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cpg/50759255.html > > thought someone may be able to get something out of this.... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 1 13:51:51 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba authentication via LDAP Message-ID: Hi everyone, Is anyone out there using Samba as a primary domain controller for Windows clients and authenticating to LDAP on a different machine? We've just learned that OpenDirectory+Samba on OS X is severely broken (known issue apparently), and I'm wondering if we can make this work using a more current version of Samba on a Linux box that looks to OpenDirectory on the OS X server for authentication. No love from Google on the topic. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Wed Dec 1 14:10:19 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> Message-ID: <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> nate@refried.org wrote: > I'm curious to know if I have all the right answers for the pop quiz. ;) > >>THE BIG QUESTIONS (well, not really, but it still sounds good) >>-------------------------------- >>5. The "-A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -p TCP -d 172.191.21.5 --dport 8000 >>-j ACCEPT" >>command can be used with? ( A. ipchains B. iptables C. route D. all of >>the previous E. none of the previous) >>-------------------------------- > 5. ipchains (and the reason why I use pf) > > Nate Shouldn't number 5 be iptables? Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 1 14:39:44 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <1101933584.41ae2c109ee36@joshwelch.com> Quoting Chris Frederick : > nate@refried.org wrote: > > I'm curious to know if I have all the right answers for the pop quiz. ;) > > > >>THE BIG QUESTIONS (well, not really, but it still sounds good) > >>-------------------------------- > >>5. The "-A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -p TCP -d 172.191.21.5 --dport 8000 > >>-j ACCEPT" > >>command can be used with? ( A. ipchains B. iptables C. route D. all of > >>the previous E. none of the previous) > >>-------------------------------- > > 5. ipchains (and the reason why I use pf) > > > > Nate > > Shouldn't number 5 be iptables? > yes _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:08:40 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? In-Reply-To: <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <1469cda204120112087f2d7ad@mail.gmail.com> > Shouldn't number 5 be iptables? yes _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Dec 1 15:18:38 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure Message-ID: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Figured I'd share this with you - just finished 2 hours of sweating trying to figure out what was happening with my co-lo'd server. My business partner and I were on IM managing something over phpMyAdmin when I noticed the "system going down now" reboot message on my SSH console. WTF? Starting to get nervous. System boots back up and I start grepping through /var/log files - can't find anything interesting. While I'm teeing a logfile it reboots again. WTF?!? IM messages from my buddy get a little peeved and frantic - what am I doing to the server?!? (he's not an admin, just a web designer), knock it off, etc. I tell him I have no clue (shamefully). Wait for it to come back up again. Start digging harder and with more intensity, copy log files to an alternate location, checking that last night's off-site backup ran, etc. Noticed that I was on 2.4.27 instead of 2.4.28, figure I better start building a new kernel just in case. 10 minutes go by and all seems well, except that I still can't find any indication of what is going on, no hardware messages, everything looks fabulous except for the typical iptables script kitty rejects. Goes down again, comes back up, now I'm mad, over the next 20 minutes it reboots a couple more times. I tell my buddy to call the ISP and see if they have any ideas. I shut down all non-critical services to see if maybe someone's found an exploit with apache or something. 15 minutes goes by and all's well, start up apache, 5 minutes later down she goes again. Start combing through apache logs when it's back up, trying to imagine what kind of exploit would cause a reboot and not just shut the thing down alltogether or trash data files or something. A few more minutes go by and get an IM from my buddy - ISP called back, power cord was loose. ARG! At least they were quick about finding it. Makes sense now but during the episode I was thinking much worse. Thought I'd share for your amusement... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Dec 1 15:34:10 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for work? References: <65293fcc04120109262087f6fe@mail.gmail.com> <20041201180423.GB7916@refried.org> <41AE252B.3050701@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <41AE38D2.8000301@ppdonline.com> >>> 5. The "-A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 >>> -p TCP -d 172.191.21.5 --dport 8000 >>> -j ACCEPT" > Shouldn't number 5 be iptables? Looks like an iptables command to add a rule to the FORWARD table when the input is eth1 and the output is eth0 using TCP protocol with a destination IP of 172.191.21.5 and a destination port of 8000 to accept the forward. It's been a while though. Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 1 16:36:42 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Nate Carlson wrote: > Actually, loose power cord wouldn't give you the reboot messages; it'd > just crash the box hard if it was losing the connection. > > Sounds more like someone hooked a keyboard up to the wrong box and was > hitting ctrl-alt-del to try to reboot it to me - might want to disable > ca in inittab.. ..unless the box is on a UPS, and it was the UPS<->Utility cable that was loose; in that case, your UPS monitoring software could be shutting the box down. That should generate logs, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 1 16:35:33 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > My business partner and I were on IM managing something over phpMyAdmin > when I noticed the "system going down now" reboot message on my SSH > console. WTF? Starting to get nervous. <...> > A few more minutes go by and get an IM from my buddy - ISP called back, > power cord was loose. ARG! At least they were quick about finding it. > Makes sense now but during the episode I was thinking much worse. Actually, loose power cord wouldn't give you the reboot messages; it'd just crash the box hard if it was losing the connection. Sounds more like someone hooked a keyboard up to the wrong box and was hitting ctrl-alt-del to try to reboot it to me - might want to disable ca in inittab.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Dec 1 19:21:26 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book In-Reply-To: <41AD3E19.7080908@visi.com> References: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> <41AD3E19.7080908@visi.com> Message-ID: <41AE6E16.8050202@comcast.net> I'll answer a couple questions with one post. 1) SMP - I could probably prep my own kernal to deal with SMP, but I like "out of the box" solutions. :-) MEPIS-Pro should be coming out late December and is supposed to support SMP 2) The machine is dual-400MHz processors with a CDBurner, DVD drive, and two IDE hard drives. A 6.4Gig and an 80Gig. My goal is to have the root on the 6.4 and home on the 80. I'm sure there is a way to install on one drive and then move "/home" to the 80Gig, I just have to research it. I used to do that kind of stuff with IRIX years ago, but I've gotten rusty from non-use. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Is the drive removable? > > Sam. > > Todd Young wrote: > >> I've been running MEPIS v2004.03 on an old HP 600MHz laptop now for >> almost a month and am VERY impressed. It installed flawlessly, and all >> I had to do to watch commercial DVDs was to install the DVDCSS >> package. I've also got v2004.04 installed on an 800MHz HP laptop at >> work and am able to view our domain and our Citrix servers. >> >> I'm very impressed with MEPIS, just wish the current release supported >> SMP. I also need to take the time to figure out how to install with >> two hard drives (root and home), as I like to have the OS on a smaller >> hard drive and the home folder on a large hard drive. I tried the >> partition software in the installer and created the proper partitions, >> but it refused to use the secondary drive for the home folders. >> >> Jerry W wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Picked up "Point & Click Linux" by Robin Miller at Barnes & Noble in >>> Eagan last week. >>> >>> New to Linux and have used and installed various Linux distros over >>> the past six months. Point & Click Linux comes with two disks, one >>> a DVD with video clips that will run on a TV DVD player or computer >>> DVD player from the author about Point and Click Linux and also the >>> "SimplyMEPIS" CD which can be run "live" or installed from the live >>> CD. It was one of the most simple distros I have installed and would >>> be a great holiday gift for a non Linux user or Linux newbie. >>> >>> Jerry W >> >> >> >> > > > -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Dec 1 19:35:28 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20041201193528.00003b40@schubert> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:35:33 -0600 (CST) Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > My business partner and I were on IM managing something over > > phpMyAdmin when I noticed the "system going down now" reboot > > message on my SSH console. WTF? Starting to get nervous. > > <...> > > > A few more minutes go by and get an IM from my buddy - ISP called > > back, power cord was loose. ARG! At least they were quick about > > finding it. Makes sense now but during the episode I was thinking > > much worse. > > Actually, loose power cord wouldn't give you the reboot messages; > it'd just crash the box hard if it was losing the connection. > > Sounds more like someone hooked a keyboard up to the wrong box and > was hitting ctrl-alt-del to try to reboot it to me - might want to > disable ca in inittab.. I thought it sounded fishy too, but I went by what I was told. Perhaps I'll have to do more researching. Thanks for the tip, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Wed Dec 1 23:47:41 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549363@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I just want to drop a few lines to the TCLUG-list. First and foremost, I want to thank those who donated computers to the Minneapolis Library, Thank you! Right now there working on the implementation of these systems into their network @!*@!*, who knows, ahh and some are gonna be given to needy individuals. Second, I want to say hi to my school-buddy Tom Johnson (he never calls back, but he always answers to my tclug-posts, hmmmmm hi Tom... Last, will it be worth trying to install Linux onto an Ipaq 5555 and can you share any experiences, maybe some help?! Well this is all for today. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 07:09:18 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:35:33 -0600 (CST), Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > My business partner and I were on IM managing something over phpMyAdmin > > when I noticed the "system going down now" reboot message on my SSH > > console. WTF? Starting to get nervous. > > <...> > > > A few more minutes go by and get an IM from my buddy - ISP called back, > > power cord was loose. ARG! At least they were quick about finding it. > > Makes sense now but during the episode I was thinking much worse. > > Actually, loose power cord wouldn't give you the reboot messages; it'd > just crash the box hard if it was losing the connection. > > Sounds more like someone hooked a keyboard up to the wrong box and was > hitting ctrl-alt-del to try to reboot it to me - might want to disable ca > in inittab.. > Ahh, the fun of not being able to access the server physically. I had a similar misadventure a few months back. I have a server that is colo'd at a school. After a reboot it would not come up. Went through the trouble of shipping out my backup server. In the mean time a little more dialoging revealed the fact that there was no longer a keyboard attached. The thing is headless, so when server booted it threw the typical "I'd really feel better if I had a keyboard to talk to" error and stopped. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Dec 2 08:19:09 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book In-Reply-To: <41AE6E16.8050202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> I use the command "find . -depth -mount | cpio -pvdum /NEW/DIRECTORY" to move files to a new home. Joseph Key -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Todd Young Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:21 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book I'll answer a couple questions with one post. 1) SMP - I could probably prep my own kernal to deal with SMP, but I like "out of the box" solutions. :-) MEPIS-Pro should be coming out late December and is supposed to support SMP 2) The machine is dual-400MHz processors with a CDBurner, DVD drive, and two IDE hard drives. A 6.4Gig and an 80Gig. My goal is to have the root on the 6.4 and home on the 80. I'm sure there is a way to install on one drive and then move "/home" to the 80Gig, I just have to research it. I used to do that kind of stuff with IRIX years ago, but I've gotten rusty from non-use. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lclemens at mn.rr.com Thu Dec 2 09:33:52 2004 From: lclemens at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549363@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <001a01c4d884$544383d0$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> Good work, Dave! I still have another 350 PII. Thursdays and Fridays work for me when you want to get together. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:47 PM Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 I just want to drop a few lines to the TCLUG-list. First and foremost, I want to thank those who donated computers to the Minneapolis Library, Thank you! Right now there working on the implementation of these systems into their network @!*@!*, who knows, ahh and some are gonna be given to needy individuals. Second, I want to say hi to my school-buddy Tom Johnson (he never calls back, but he always answers to my tclug-posts, hmmmmm hi Tom... Last, will it be worth trying to install Linux onto an Ipaq 5555 and can you share any experiences, maybe some help?! Well this is all for today. Yours truly, Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 2 09:48:48 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1102002528.41af39605c59b@my.visi.com> >A few more minutes go by and get an IM from my buddy - ISP called back, >power cord was loose. Loose power cord... are the cables managed? (another good reason to manage the cables in the rack) If the machine is on a UPS it might (might) signal a lack of power and do a clean shutdown. I had a machine with the locking tab on the patch cable missing (didn't know it) the mouse and keyboard would be flaky in Terminal sessions. A "Who" who shouldn't have access to the computer room got in and replace the good cable with a bad cable. All the locks in the building got changed a week later. *** >In the mean time a little more dialoging revealed the fact that there was no >longer a keyboard attached. Is the server in a secure location? *** I hear this sort of stuff and can't help but wonder what the heck people are thinking when they get up in the morning. Data centers need to have locks on the doors, where the only the SA's and TL's have access. The large data centers I've worked in had video, card access locks, and other security that I can't talk about. I know it's hard in small installations to be secure but a good lock and key are only about $250 installed. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 2 10:00:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> I was talking with one of my security friends this week when I said "We are having our ceiling replaced in the basement because of some water damage. The guy is at our home doing it now." The first thing out of his mouth was "Change the locks on all your doors, right now!" I asked him "Why?" He said "The guy who did the work may talk about his work and what you have in your house, at a local tavern and be over heard. They guy who did the work is licensed and bonded but it doesn't make him smart when it comes to security". I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. What do you all think about this sort of thing? Is it just paranoia? My security friend then said "you should change the locks on your doors every 5 - 7 years" Hmmmmmm.....????? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 10:15:11 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <1469cda204120208156ceaa333@mail.gmail.com> in this instance, how does changing your locks make you more secure? assuming the contractor is honest and isn't in on it, who cares what someone overhears in a pub? they still have to break a window or pick a lock to get in. does this guy have a key to the house? On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:00:35 -0600, smac@visi.com wrote: > I was talking with one of my security friends this week when I said "We are > having our ceiling replaced in the basement because of some water damage. The > guy is at our home doing it now." > The first thing out of his mouth was "Change the locks on all your doors, right > now!" > I asked him "Why?" > He said "The guy who did the work may talk about his work and what you have in > your house, at a local tavern and be over heard. They guy who did the work is > licensed and bonded but it doesn't make him smart when it comes to security". > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > What do you all think about this sort of thing? Is it just paranoia? > > My security friend then said "you should change the locks on your doors every 5 > - 7 years" Hmmmmmm.....????? > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Dec 2 10:28:31 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1469cda204120208156ceaa333@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <1469cda204120208156ceaa333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41AF42AF.4070708@tc-tech.com> Thomas Johnson wrote: > in this instance, how does changing your locks make you more secure? > assuming the contractor is honest and isn't in on it, who cares what > someone overhears in a pub? they still have to break a window or pick > a lock to get in. does this guy have a key to the house? They'd also have to know where your house is, so unless you live in a mansion and the contractor says something like "so I was up at the old murphy place today..." I'd assume there'd be no way they'd know. And if you did live in a mansion, I'd think you'd have security taken care of. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 2 10:28:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> Message-ID: <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> I hope to have a really wonderful xmas this year. I've dropped a hint to the wife (printed it and put it on her laptop) that I would like to up grade the hardware (motherboard, processor, memory, & powersupply) in my desktop PC, I'm currently running an AMD Athlon 750, bla, bla, bla, built in 1998. I'm thinking of of the following system... AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8GHz (939 pin) Asus A8V DLX motherboard 1/2 gig of ram 2 @ 256MB. This will be a dual boot Linux (debian) and XP (must play HL2) HDA/C: drive will be a 20gig ATA 133, 50/50 Linux/XP. HDB/D: will be a 20gig ATA 133, swap/page and data. 1.5gig page, 1.5gig swap, 17gig data [file system accessable from both Linux and XP]. (Yes I make a partition for page files.) Anyone have experience/advice with setting up an Athlon 64 box this way? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 2 10:20:11 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 smac@visi.com wrote: > I was talking with one of my security friends this week when I said "We are > having our ceiling replaced in the basement because of some water damage. The > guy is at our home doing it now." > The first thing out of his mouth was "Change the locks on all your doors, right > now!" > I asked him "Why?" > He said "The guy who did the work may talk about his work and what you have in > your house, at a local tavern and be over heard. They guy who did the work is > licensed and bonded but it doesn't make him smart when it comes to security". > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. What would changing the locks do? The random thief that overhears the conversation doesn't have keys to your existing locks, right? And while I can see the repairman talking about the really nice big-screen, I can't imagine him mentioning (or even remembering) your address when he's having a few at the pub. So the eavesdropper wouldn't know what house to go to in any case. More worrisome is your friends. They are more likely to drop your name and possibly street in casual conversation. Did you hear about Sam's new ? Which Sam? Sam Mac. The one that lives over by Beach Street. How's your security friend's tinfoil hat fitting these days? Ask him if he has an automatic garage door opener. Then ask him if he locks the service door from his house to the garage. Then tell him what $20 in parts at Radio Shack will get you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 2 10:39:00 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041202163900.GC26363@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Dec 2 10:18:52 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:45 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> smac@visi.com wrote: > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > What do you all think about this sort of thing? Is it just paranoia? Duh. Your neighbors can see what's in your house through your windows. Isn't it reasonable to assume there's something worth stealing in any house anyway? What's the difference if it takes them a minute of looking around to find it? Jesus christ, I know he's a security guy for a reason, but that's really paranoid... And what good are new locks going to do you? Did you give the guy a key to your house??? > My security friend then said "you should change the locks on your doors every 5 > - 7 years" Hmmmmmm.....????? I think that probably makes sense, though I didn't bother to change my locks when I moved into my house. I guess I trust the person I just paid a couple hundred thousand dollars to. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 2 10:42:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Thu Dec 2 10:40:11 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp><307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <003601c4d88d$9e47a3e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> You may be right about the 'loose lips and ships', but locks are not the problem. There are a basic set of key codes and someone with the right experience can get in any old time. Usually it is breaking in a cheap single bolt in the handle( not a dead bolt ) or they can come in a window. I had dead bolts in my old house and they busted the door frame. Also, put guards on the windows - a nail at a closed point and at a less then 6" point open in a double hung. Put a bar or lock on a slider and they have some things for crank windows, also. Usually don't worry too much about the second floor. The best way is to put your good stuff away for the repair time - what you can't see you can't know and be there during the work. Keep looking up, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ryan Ware" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure > I was talking with one of my security friends this week when I said "We are > having our ceiling replaced in the basement because of some water damage. The > guy is at our home doing it now." > The first thing out of his mouth was "Change the locks on all your doors, right > now!" > I asked him "Why?" > He said "The guy who did the work may talk about his work and what you have in > your house, at a local tavern and be over heard. They guy who did the work is > licensed and bonded but it doesn't make him smart when it comes to security". > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > What do you all think about this sort of thing? Is it just paranoia? > > My security friend then said "you should change the locks on your doors every 5 > - 7 years" Hmmmmmm.....????? > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Dec 2 10:57:05 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <1102006625.41af49617d33c@joshwelch.com> Quoting smac@visi.com: > I was talking with one of my security friends this week when I said "We are > having our ceiling replaced in the basement because of some water damage. > The > guy is at our home doing it now." > The first thing out of his mouth was "Change the locks on all your doors, > right > now!" > I asked him "Why?" > He said "The guy who did the work may talk about his work and what you have > in > your house, at a local tavern and be over heard. They guy who did the work > is > licensed and bonded but it doesn't make him smart when it comes to > security". > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > What do you all think about this sort of thing? Is it just paranoia? > > My security friend then said "you should change the locks on your doors every > 5 > - 7 years" Hmmmmmm.....????? > As they say... it's only paranoia if nobody is actually out to get you. This is why security people talk about threat profiling, you need to understand what you are defending and what you are defending against in order to be able to defend. Measures taken to defend need to be taken in context. What does it cost and what does it get you. Changing your locks every five years does not sound particularly paranoid to me. It is easy to have keys lost, copied or what have you. The cost is not particularly high to change/replace the locks, nor is it particularly difficult to distribute new keys to the members of your family. Do you have a lot of high end electronics or other type valuables in your house? If so, it is likely worth investing in a security system of some variety beyond key locks. There are many stories of people getting robbed after having someone into their home, repair people, cable installers, even delivery people. If you are having someone into your home, they are best monitored by a trusted party. If you don't trust the person who was in your house, and there was no trusted person observing, then changing your locks seems prudent. BTW, How many renters ask their landlord if the locks were changed from the previous resident? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Thu Dec 2 10:58:56 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> Quoting Matt Murphy : > > I think that probably makes sense, though I didn't bother to change my > locks when I moved into my house. I guess I trust the person I just paid > a couple hundred thousand dollars to. > > Matt > Do you also trust every person they may have trusted? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 2 10:50:12 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba authentication via LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041202165012.GE26363@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Dec 2 11:08:29 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> > Do you also trust every person they may have trusted? Of course not, but I do trust my security system. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 11:40:16 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1469cda204120209403ff530a6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:42:16 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Spring for the single stick of 512... It's not that much more > expensive, and you'll be able to upgrade to 1.5 GB of ram when you need > it. The board appears to have dual-channel memory, so 2x256 might be better from the performance side of things. Could go for 2x512, but that gets pricey. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Thu Dec 2 11:55:05 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102006625.41af49617d33c@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <200412021746.iB2HkoxF020767@ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com> BTW, How many renters ask their landlord if the locks were changed from the previous resident? I actually changed the locks on my apartment after I moved in. I've never done it before, and don't every worry about it. In this case the lock was just a "little sticky". Actually it didn't work and I spent a very frustrating amount of time in front of it swearing a lot. So I changed it, and gave the landlord a copy of the key. She lost it, but that's another story. :) Jason Reynolds _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 11:58:19 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: <1469cda204120209403ff530a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> <1469cda204120209403ff530a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Get a bigger hard drive instead of mutiple smaller drives, unless you're doing a RAID or something. Half-Life 2 takes up atleast 4.5 GB, and if you go with the Steam Silver or Gold packages, Half-Life 2 + the entire Valve back catalog takes up about 8 GB. But the real issue is heat and noise. Mutiple drives will generate more heat a noise than a single drive, and you'll have to have more fans to keep all those drives cool..and a bigger case...and... In the end you have a noisy behemoth of a box that you don't dare turn on because of the noise and won't fit nicely on a desk. ;-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 2 11:44:24 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:46 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: While we're on the subject of security and theft, I'd like to share a tale that happened a few weeks ago. The ongoing saga of things stolen from my yard in Frogtown. This is case-in-point that even neighbors can't be trusted. But it is pretty funny. I hired my brother's friend to come over and paint my garage door on a Saturday. He brought with him his 4 day old, brand new, used once, $1000 power sprayer. You already know where this is going... He left it in my yard up by the garage door unattended for 10 minutes. Came back out, it was gone. This was at about 3 in the afternoon. In it's place was a plastic blue bin, and in the bin were an empty pack of "Winner" cigarettes, and an open but mostly full box of prophylactics. Apparently the thieves had tried to wedge the sprayer into the bin, but it didn't fit so they left it. We noticed a trail of green paint leading quite a ways down the sidewalk. It trailed off into the grass 4 doors down. I called the police, and St. Paul's finest showed up about 45 minutes later (he apologized, they had a shooting a few blocks away...) We filled the cop in and showed him the paint. He followed it a ways, then announced that he was going to call in a K-9 unit. Cool. 10 minutes later the K-9 shows up, and when the dog was sniffing the bin, the handler said "Track!". The dog took off down the sidewalk, sweeping back and forth, more or less following the paint trail. As they get to the house where the paint trailed off into the grass, a gentleman in painter's clothes with green paint on his leg came out of the house. The dog went nuts. Partially because it was the right scent, but also because the guy had a small bag of marijuana on him. My neighbor was arrested, charge with felony theft AND possession of a controlled substance. I was hoping he'd put up a fight or try and run, so I could see either the taser in action, or at least the application of some "stick time". Alas, much to my disappointment he went quietly. Even covered his face as he walked by me (dude, you live 4 houses down...you're not on Cops.) Unfortunately, his story was that he helped his roommate's buddy load it into their truck and they left with it. He didn't know it was stolen. When he picked it up from in front of my garage door. With paint still in it. In a hurry. Anyways, to my knowledge it has not been recovered, but buddy spent some time in the clink, and I believe there are warrants out for the other two involved. At this point the sprayer is ruined anyways, since they probably didn't clean out the paint that was still in it. Oh, and I asked the cops as they were hauling buddy off to jail what I should do with the blue bin (not so much wondering if anyone wanted it back, but if the police wanted to take it for evidence.) The cop says "throw it out. Hell, burn it!" Lessons learned: Expected lifespan of a paint sprayer in Frogtown is 10 minutes The scum of the earth use protection when trolling for prostitutes If you're going to steal something that's dripping paint, don't drag it to your driveway. It was /almost/ worth it all, just to see the police dog in action. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 2 12:19:06 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> <1469cda204120209403ff530a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041202181906.GF26363@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Thu Dec 2 12:47:58 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412021848.iB2Im8IM018029@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Stories from frogtown are the best. This really made my day. Thanks for the post :) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:44 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure While we're on the subject of security and theft, I'd like to share a tale that happened a few weeks ago. The ongoing saga of things stolen from my yard in Frogtown. This is case-in-point that even neighbors can't be trusted. But it is pretty funny. I hired my brother's friend to come over and paint my garage door on a Saturday. He brought with him his 4 day old, brand new, used once, $1000 power sprayer. You already know where this is going... He left it in my yard up by the garage door unattended for 10 minutes. Came back out, it was gone. This was at about 3 in the afternoon. In it's place was a plastic blue bin, and in the bin were an empty pack of "Winner" cigarettes, and an open but mostly full box of prophylactics. Apparently the thieves had tried to wedge the sprayer into the bin, but it didn't fit so they left it. We noticed a trail of green paint leading quite a ways down the sidewalk. It trailed off into the grass 4 doors down. I called the police, and St. Paul's finest showed up about 45 minutes later (he apologized, they had a shooting a few blocks away...) We filled the cop in and showed him the paint. He followed it a ways, then announced that he was going to call in a K-9 unit. Cool. 10 minutes later the K-9 shows up, and when the dog was sniffing the bin, the handler said "Track!". The dog took off down the sidewalk, sweeping back and forth, more or less following the paint trail. As they get to the house where the paint trailed off into the grass, a gentleman in painter's clothes with green paint on his leg came out of the house. The dog went nuts. Partially because it was the right scent, but also because the guy had a small bag of marijuana on him. My neighbor was arrested, charge with felony theft AND possession of a controlled substance. I was hoping he'd put up a fight or try and run, so I could see either the taser in action, or at least the application of some "stick time". Alas, much to my disappointment he went quietly. Even covered his face as he walked by me (dude, you live 4 houses down...you're not on Cops.) Unfortunately, his story was that he helped his roommate's buddy load it into their truck and they left with it. He didn't know it was stolen. When he picked it up from in front of my garage door. With paint still in it. In a hurry. Anyways, to my knowledge it has not been recovered, but buddy spent some time in the clink, and I believe there are warrants out for the other two involved. At this point the sprayer is ruined anyways, since they probably didn't clean out the paint that was still in it. Oh, and I asked the cops as they were hauling buddy off to jail what I should do with the blue bin (not so much wondering if anyone wanted it back, but if the police wanted to take it for evidence.) The cop says "throw it out. Hell, burn it!" Lessons learned: Expected lifespan of a paint sprayer in Frogtown is 10 minutes The scum of the earth use protection when trolling for prostitutes If you're going to steal something that's dripping paint, don't drag it to your driveway. It was /almost/ worth it all, just to see the police dog in action. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Thu Dec 2 14:35:37 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 smac@visi.com wrote: > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. Not a major one. Let's see, what sequence of events is necessary for this to be a problem: A) You get work done at your home by a worker B) said worker wanders around your house to notice what you have C) said worker comments on what you have in the local bar D) Said comment was overheard by a burglar E) Burglar finds out where you live ("I was over at this guys place and..." doesn't help) F) Burglar decides to go rob your house If any one of those things doesn't happen, you house doesn't get robbed simply because you had a guy over to fix your ceiling. Rather than hanging out in bars hoping to evesdrop on talkative repairmen, your average burglar is more likely to be out driving around and casing neighborhoods. When you buy new electronic or computer equipment, fold the boxes up and put them into trashbags when you throw them out. Much more likely than overhearing the worker talk about your new 52" flatscreen TV is that the burglar has driven by your house and took note of that big box for the new TV you're throwing out with the trash. When you go on vacation, even a few days, have a neighbor pick up your mail and advertising circulars- nothing says "I'm not home!" quite like a pile of advertising circulars by the front door (except at my place, where they say "I haven't bothered to throw them out yet"). The other thing to do to prevent your house from being broken into: get a security alarm and/or a big dog. People go into house robbery because it's a low risk/high reward form of crime. They're furniture movers seduced by the dark side. It doesn't matter that the security system is nothing more than a sign planted in the front yard, or that the large dog is a complete wuss who is more likely to cower in the closet than attack the burglars- they might *not* be. You've just made your house too risky to rob. It's impossible to make it impossible to rob your house- any security system can be worked around. It's fairly easy to make your house not worth the trouble to rob. This is the secret to all security, house, computer, and otherwise. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 14:45:04 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc04120212453c46bd6e@mail.gmail.com> detach yourself from material trappings - it's the only way.... Ohhmmmmmm.... On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:35:37 -0600 (CST), Brian Hurt wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 smac@visi.com wrote: > > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > Not a major one. Let's see, what sequence of events is necessary for this > to be a problem: > A) You get work done at your home by a worker > B) said worker wanders around your house to notice what you have > C) said worker comments on what you have in the local bar > D) Said comment was overheard by a burglar > E) Burglar finds out where you live ("I was over at this > guys place and..." doesn't help) > F) Burglar decides to go rob your house > > If any one of those things doesn't happen, you house doesn't get robbed > simply because you had a guy over to fix your ceiling. > > Rather than hanging out in bars hoping to evesdrop on talkative repairmen, > your average burglar is more likely to be out driving around and casing > neighborhoods. > > When you buy new electronic or computer equipment, fold the boxes up and > put them into trashbags when you throw them out. Much more likely than > overhearing the worker talk about your new 52" flatscreen TV is that the > burglar has driven by your house and took note of that big box for the new > TV you're throwing out with the trash. When you go on vacation, even a > few days, have a neighbor pick up your mail and advertising circulars- > nothing says "I'm not home!" quite like a pile of advertising circulars by > the front door (except at my place, where they say "I haven't bothered to > throw them out yet"). > > The other thing to do to prevent your house from being broken into: get a > security alarm and/or a big dog. People go into house robbery because > it's a low risk/high reward form of crime. They're furniture movers > seduced by the dark side. It doesn't matter that the security system is > nothing more than a sign planted in the front yard, or that the large dog > is a complete wuss who is more likely to cower in the closet than attack > the burglars- they might *not* be. You've just made your house too risky > to rob. > > It's impossible to make it impossible to rob your house- any security > system can be worked around. It's fairly easy to make your house not > worth the trouble to rob. This is the secret to all security, house, > computer, and otherwise. > > Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Thu Dec 2 14:40:03 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <200412021848.iB2Im8IM018029@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <200412021848.iB2Im8IM018029@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <41AF7DA3.1070606@ryanorourke.org> Jason Reynolds wrote: > Stories from frogtown are the best. This really made my day. Thanks for the > post :) Ditto. Ol' Maloney here seems to have kissed the Blarney stone a time or two in his day. I don't care how OT they may be, I always look forward to these! -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 2 14:58:53 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Brian Hurt wrote: > It's impossible to make it impossible to rob your house- any security > system can be worked around. It's fairly easy to make your house not > worth the trouble to rob. This is the secret to all security, house, > computer, and otherwise. Two backpackers were hiking in the woods when they saw hungry grizzly running toward them. One of them jerked off his hiking boots and put on his running shoes. His buddy said, "you can't outrun a bear!" The first one replied, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you!" Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Thu Dec 2 16:30:33 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > While we're on the subject of security and theft, I'd like to share a tale > that happened a few weeks ago. The ongoing saga of things stolen from my > yard in Frogtown. This is case-in-point that even neighbors can't be > trusted. But it is pretty funny. [snip: funny story fit for a "worlds dumbest criminal" book] > Lessons learned: > Expected lifespan of a paint sprayer in Frogtown is 10 minutes > The scum of the earth use protection when trolling for prostitutes > If you're going to steal something that's dripping paint, don't drag it to > your driveway. Actually, another important security consideration is shown here: most criminals are idiots. And most crime is spur of the moment. Your neighbor wasn't looking for painting tools to steal when walking down the alley. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 2 17:41:39 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sort of) New Computer Question (sort of) In-Reply-To: <20041202181906.GF26363@wookimus.net> References: <001e01c4d879$e4593330$05000300@Kurama> <1102004881.41af42911daa2@my.visi.com> <20041202164216.GD26363@wookimus.net> <1469cda204120209403ff530a6@mail.gmail.com> <20041202181906.GF26363@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <41AFA833.2010407@visi.com> Yup using older hard drives to keep the cost down. Sam. Chad Walstrom wrote: >Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > >>Get a bigger hard drive instead of mutiple smaller drives >> >> > >I'm guessing he's UPGRADING and using his old hard drives. ;-) >Otherwise, I bet he'd spring for a nice 120+ GB SATA Western Digital or >Seagate. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Thu Dec 2 13:56:22 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! In-Reply-To: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> Message-ID: <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Hey my good twin city nerds and nerdets and technoturds, there is a special on public tv at 9:00pm about the famous inventor Tesla. Sorry, kinda late, but just noticed it myself. I think he is the true author of Linux, not Linus as is commonly believed. Tesla: Master of Lightning Thursday, December 2 at 9PM Nikola Tesla (1856-1943), was one of the greatest inventors of the 20th century, with over 700 worldwide patents to his name. He was a visionary genius whose radical ideas created the technology that connects the world with power and information. Controversial and misunderstood, his incredible story is finally being brought to the screen. Tesla's most famous invention is his system of AC power generation and transmission that is used universally today. He also invented the tesla coil to create high-frequency electricity. This led to the creation of neon and fluorescent lighting, radio transmission, remote control, and hundreds of other devices that are now an essential part of our everyday lives. The documentary finally sets the record straight on Tesla's inventions and accomplishments. Edison and Marconi are frequently credited for the invention of AC power transmission and radio. The program demonstrates that this is not the case. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 2 18:37:05 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Brian Hurt wrote: > Actually, another important security consideration is shown here: most > criminals are idiots. And most crime is spur of the moment. Your > neighbor wasn't looking for painting tools to steal when walking down > the alley. One more: A large number of crimes are committed by a small number of criminals. I'll bet the impulsive neighbor has a long history of doing similar things even if he hasn't been caught very often. Computer relevant example: Any time a computer in China, or wherever, attempts to connect to any port on my Sun computer, it also attempts to connect to the same port on every computer in my subnet. It probably also tries every computer on every subnet on campus; it probably does this on every .edu domain and maybe it does it on nearly every computer on this planet. Having only one computer, you might not know that this is going on, but when I had several Sun computers on several subnets (and used ntpdate to sync the clocks), I would look at all logs and I would see the pattern - subnets were scanned in numerical order and computers within subnets also were scanned in numerical order. Anything fishy always appeared on every machine. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Thu Dec 2 18:41:56 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! In-Reply-To: <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Message-ID: <1102034516.12205.2.camel@zed-01.homenetwork> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 19:56 +0000, Karl Bongers wrote: > Hey my good twin city nerds and nerdets and technoturds, there is a special on > public tv at 9:00pm about the famous inventor Tesla. Sorry, kinda > late, but just noticed it myself. I think he is the true author of > Linux, not Linus as is commonly believed. Oh man! I thought you meant these guys: http://www.teslatheband.com/home.aspx ;-) -- Dave Erickson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Thu Dec 2 18:45:57 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch@sk3tch.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! Message-ID: >[TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! Dammit...you got my hopes up...I was ready to ROCK!!! http://www.teslatheband.com/home.aspx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 2 18:49:26 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! In-Reply-To: <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Karl Bongers wrote: > Edison and Marconi are frequently credited for the invention of AC power > transmission and radio. The program demonstrates that this is not the > case. Interesting. I thought Edison was an advocate for DC, but he was overruled. Regarding radio - what about Loomis? Are they really saying that Tesla invented radio? There certainly were patents in radio technology before Tesla's time. Maybe Tesla's approach was the one that won out. I'll have to record this show. Thanks for telling us about it! Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Dec 2 19:38:27 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Tesla on TV tonight! References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Message-ID: Mike Miller writes: > Interesting. I thought Edison was an advocate for DC, but he was > overruled. he was, that is why we have AC power powering your devices and not DC. little known fact, Edison used to electrecute cats, dogs and birds at trade shows (ala the electric chair) to prove how dangerous AC power is. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Thu Dec 2 20:02:20 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> Not replying to this particular post, just the thread: Perhaps it's time to move somewhere with less thieves? Where I was growing up (in Texas) we left the windows open when we went out, we left the doors unlocked when we were home, and nobody but the neighborhood dog ever stole anything from our property. My 6th grade English teacher once told me something that has stuck with me though: "Locks are for honest people" No number of locks, security systems, or guard dogs are going to protect you from the guy with a pry bar looking to fund his drug habit. Stop suggesting stupid "solutions" like changing your locks because some delivery person stopped by. On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:35:37PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 smac@visi.com wrote: > > > I guess this is one of the ways homes get robbed, over heard conversations. > > Not a major one. Let's see, what sequence of events is necessary for this > to be a problem: > A) You get work done at your home by a worker > B) said worker wanders around your house to notice what you have > C) said worker comments on what you have in the local bar > D) Said comment was overheard by a burglar > E) Burglar finds out where you live ("I was over at this > guys place and..." doesn't help) > F) Burglar decides to go rob your house -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Thu Dec 2 20:49:37 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tesla on public tv @ 9pm Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549364@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I am currently in school, can someone Tivo this for us? Please! help......... ~Dave p.s. sorry Mr. Clemens I will be in touch soon! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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People go into house robbery because >it's a low risk/high reward form of crime. They're furniture movers >seduced by the dark side. It doesn't matter that the security system is >nothing more than a sign planted in the front yard, or that the large dog >is a complete wuss who is more likely to cower in the closet than attack >the burglars- they might *not* be. You've just made your house too risky >to rob. > >It's impossible to make it impossible to rob your house- any security >system can be worked around. It's fairly easy to make your house not >worth the trouble to rob. This is the secret to all security, house, >computer, and otherwise. > >Brian > > > >I like your reasoning and agree with your large Dog idea. I live in a rural area, and we have diffrerent issues. However a 150 lb German Shepard standing on the couch and snarling out the front window seems to be enough. Truth be known he's more a lover then a fighter, but he does bark and growl at everyone, and there isn't anyone that has cared to test him yet! Only problem I have with him is that he likes vehicles, and after he's woofed at the UPS man, if I don't yell at him he'll get into the truck to go for a ride:) > > RS -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Thu Dec 2 23:42:10 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .dmg convert to .iso problem... Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I'd like to ask if anyone recorded the show on Tesla, man I would have really loved to see this documentary? Second, I would like to ask for help converting a simple .dmg file to .iso so I can burn it and play with it... I am using this perl script tool http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ (dmg2iso.pl) first I got a simple error, (could not locate perl) a simple nano edit changed this. My sencond error was: # ./dmg2iso.pl image1.dmg image1.iso Can't locate Compress/Zlib.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at ./dmg2iso.pl line 6. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Thu Dec 2 23:46:30 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: .dmg to .iso Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549367@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> My mistake, Zlib is creating the error, any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2149 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20041202/4beec850/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 23:58:58 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Tesla In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <65293fcc041202215874a5bf5a@mail.gmail.com> Check the hennipin county library system for the Tesla vid - I watched it a few months ago when I was on a Tesla Kick - THere's a few god books too - check out his self biography - it's real neat. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:42:10 -0600, aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > I'd like to ask if anyone recorded the show on Tesla, man I would have really loved to see this documentary? Second, I would like to ask for help converting a simple .dmg file to .iso so I can burn it and play with it... I am using this perl script tool http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ (dmg2iso.pl) first I got a simple error, (could not locate perl) a simple nano edit changed this. My sencond error was: > > # ./dmg2iso.pl image1.dmg image1.iso > Can't locate Compress/Zlib.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at ./dmg2iso.pl line 6. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./dmg2iso.pl line 6. > > And next: > > ]# tail -6 dmg2iso.pl > } > $tempzoffs = $in_offs+$in_size; > } > } > > Any perl freak awake this time anight? > > Zup Tom.... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 2 23:59:23 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .dmg convert to .iso problem... In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: > # ./dmg2iso.pl image1.dmg image1.iso > Can't locate Compress/Zlib.pm in @INC Well... uh, do you have that module installed?... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Dec 3 00:02:51 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .dmg convert to .iso problem... In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: On 12/2/04 11:42 PM, "aladavs@dunwoody.edu" wrote: > # ./dmg2iso.pl image1.dmg image1.iso > Can't locate Compress/Zlib.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at ./dmg2iso.pl line 6. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./dmg2iso.pl line 6. I'm far from a Perl hacker, but it appears that you're missing the Zlib module. You should be able to get it from CPAN or maybe in a binary form packaged for you Linux distribution. I try to avoid mixing the Debian packages of various perl modules with ones that I get directly from CPAN. It has caused minor trouble for me in the past--probably because I don't really know what I'm doing with CPAN (http://cpan.org/). -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy.schmid at astound.net Fri Dec 3 00:26:52 2004 From: andy.schmid at astound.net (Andy Schmid) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Tesla on TV tonight! In-Reply-To: References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Message-ID: <41B0072C.4030209@astound.net> I actually caught the clip of edison electricuting what looked to be an ELEPHANT! (correct me if I'm wrong) I've gotta admit that is pretty funny but yet somewhat offensive at the same time. nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Mike Miller writes: > >> Interesting. I thought Edison was an advocate for DC, but he was >> overruled. > > > he was, that is why we have AC power powering your devices and not DC. > > little known fact, Edison used to electrecute cats, dogs and birds at > trade shows (ala the electric chair) to prove how dangerous AC power is. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Dec 3 06:02:13 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .dmg convert to .iso problem... In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549366@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <20041203120213.GA25714@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:42:10PM -0600, aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > # ./dmg2iso.pl image1.dmg image1.iso > Can't locate Compress/Zlib.pm in @INC (@INC contains: [long line > snipped...] What output do you get from perl -MCompress::Zlib -le 'print $Compress::Zlib::VERSION' ? You may just not have the module installed; 'apt-get -f install libcompress-zlib-perl'... -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Fri Dec 3 02:37:01 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tesla on public tv @ 9pm In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549364@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549364@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <20041203083701.GA23571@dad1> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:49:37PM -0600, aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > I am currently in school, can someone Tivo this for us? > > > Please! help......... > I recorded it and will be at this weekends meeting. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 07:09:03 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <307a337f041203050978381a87@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:02:20 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Not replying to this particular post, just the thread: > > Perhaps it's time to move somewhere with less thieves? Where I was growing > up (in Texas) we left the windows open when we went out, we left the doors > unlocked when we were home, and nobody but the neighborhood dog ever stole > anything from our property. > > My 6th grade English teacher once told me something that has stuck with > me though: "Locks are for honest people" True > > No number of locks, security systems, or guard dogs are going to protect > you from the guy with a pry bar looking to fund his drug habit. That's what the 12 ga. is for. > > Stop suggesting stupid "solutions" like changing your locks because some > delivery person stopped by. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 07:41:25 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Tesla on TV tonight! In-Reply-To: References: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> <20041202195622.GA22980@dad1> Message-ID: <307a337f041203054114d4f5b8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:49:26 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Karl Bongers wrote: > > > Edison and Marconi are frequently credited for the invention of AC power > > transmission and radio. The program demonstrates that this is not the > > case. > > Interesting. I thought Edison was an advocate for DC, but he was > overruled. Regarding radio - what about Loomis? Are they really saying > that Tesla invented radio? There certainly were patents in radio > technology before Tesla's time. Maybe Tesla's approach was the one that > won out. DC was/is much safer. What tipped the scales in favor of AC is that AC can be transmitted over much greater distances. DC would have required a ton more substations. At the time it wasn't practical to build all of these, especially in the rural areas. > > I'll have to record this show. Thanks for telling us about it! > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thurianknight at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 08:13:57 2004 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <307a337f041203050978381a87@mail.gmail.com> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> <307a337f041203050978381a87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bdea6e3041203061368d7b8@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:09:03 -0600, Ryan Ware wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:02:20 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > No number of locks, security systems, or guard dogs are going to protect > > you from the guy with a pry bar looking to fund his drug habit. > > That's what the 12 ga. is for. 9mm Beretta 92 Brigadier INOX. It's a beautiful thing. http://berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA [Insert witty .sig here.] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Dec 3 09:14:32 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <1102086872.41b082d848937@joshwelch.com> Quoting Matt Murphy : > > Do you also trust every person they may have trusted? > > Of course not, but I do trust my security system. > Okay, so you are taking steps to mitigate any threat that may have existed by not relying on the key system alone. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Fri Dec 3 09:19:49 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure Message-ID: <200412031519499485cd334b@mail.smumn.edu> Can someone share their Tesla video? Let me know.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Dec 3 09:17:24 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <20041201151838.000003b9@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f04120205093fc41211@mail.gmail.com> <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <41AF406C.6010402@tc-tech.com> <1102006736.41af49d0d8b06@joshwelch.com> <41AF4C0D.8020101@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <1102087044.41b08384dab8b@joshwelch.com> Quoting Adam Maloney : > While we're on the subject of security and theft, I'd like to share a tale > that happened a few weeks ago. The ongoing saga of things stolen from my > yard in Frogtown. This is case-in-point that even neighbors can't be > trusted. But it is pretty funny. > Well, that's the coolest story I've heard today. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Dec 3 09:32:54 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> Quoting "Matthew S. Hallacy" : > Not replying to this particular post, just the thread: > > Perhaps it's time to move somewhere with less thieves? Where I was growing > up (in Texas) we left the windows open when we went out, we left the doors > unlocked when we were home, and nobody but the neighborhood dog ever stole > anything from our property. Likewise where I grew up. Then the farm next door was bought by a fairly pleasant couple. They had problems, she got the house, started hanging out with considerably less pleasant people. She got ran over by a train while drunk (true story) and the house is now populated by her two adult (sort of) daughters who never had a decent role model and whatever trash they bring home. While there has not been a problem as of yet, my folks no longer leave the keys in their vehicles and do lock the house if they leave overnight. > My 6th grade English teacher once told me something that has stuck with > me though: "Locks are for honest people" > > No number of locks, security systems, or guard dogs are going to protect > you from the guy with a pry bar looking to fund his drug habit. True > Stop suggesting stupid "solutions" like changing your locks because some > delivery person stopped by. > Locks are not solutions, nor are firewalls or any other security precautions. They are simply that, precautions. Bad things are a little less likely to happen to people who take precautions. Weigh the precautions you take against the benefit it gives you. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Dec 3 10:45:46 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:49 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1102092346.41b0983a11943@my.visi.com> I grew up in a small city, Duluth MN. (West end), My Dad owned a bar "Shannon's"; we lived in one of the apartments above the bar; EVERYTHING including the gas caps on the cars had locks. Story 1: My dad (more then once) had to tell a guy not to come back in the place. This guy pissed in dad?s gas tank and keyed both sides of his truck, in the early afternoon. Story 2: Another guy was band from the bar in January for starting 2 fights in the same week. He was more creative; he hauled water and poured it all over my Mom's car and on to the tires/wheels. It was -25 degrees and took the better part of a day to get the car to move, so it could be taken to a shop to thaw. Want more scary stories of people who do evil things while using drugs and alcohol? Story 3: In 1976-77 2 guys came in the bar one evening, had several drinks, went across the street shot and killed the gas station attendant while steeling about $100 out of the register. Walked back in the bar, had another drink, left, and were arrested a little later in the evening. Not one person in the bar knew what these 2 evil B@#$%&* had done, until the police showed up. I was 17 or 18 at the time, still in high school. My high school sweet heart and I were stopping at home so I could get some cash to go to a movie. We found the street and my dad's bar full of police; we were both questioned about what had happened. Home was a fortress where I grew up. Story 4: On a regular basis 2 of the women who would come in with their husbands would be wearing sun glasses at night. I finally broke my silence and asked one of the women why she stayed, "Because I love him". I found out this summer that one of the B@#%&#$ has died, GOOD! The evil that "man" will do to "man" has no end. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Alfonso_Chavez at cargill.com Fri Dec 3 11:23:32 2004 From: Alfonso_Chavez at cargill.com (Alfonso_Chavez@cargill.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Fri Dec 3 11:33:52 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: >From the "WTF?" department of random things google searches turn up: http://www.armedrobbery.com/OrderformNEW5th.pdf Right- the next time some low-grade luser tries to mug me at a quarter to two in the afternoon on a busy street without even bringing a weapon of some sort (which honest to god did happen to me) I'm going to start screaming "RTFM!" at him. Here's the link I was searching for: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/burg.htm Last year, signifigantly less than 50,000 thousand homes were burglarized last year. As there are ~50 million homes in the US. this means the odds of you being burglarized ar less than 1 in 1,000. The odds of your home being burglarized in the next decade is less than 1%. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/gvc.htm Innumeracy is a problem with security as it is with many things. The mediapathic and unusual stories grab the attention, and obscure the fact that they are the exception. We all worry about the homicidal lunatic breaking into our home to try and kill us- but that is the rare and exceptional case. If your home is going to be robbed, it is much more likely to be while you're away. We all worry about terrorists hijacking our airplane, and miss the fact that we are way more likely to die in an autoaccident driving to the airport. Another interesting link: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm Violent crimes, per 100K people in the US, 2000: 506.1. Property crime: 3,617.9. You're much more likely to get something stolen than to be assaulted- seven times more likely, in fact. The cost of crimes, however, is dispropotionate, as violent crime racks up the costs a lot faster: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/1998/html/costcrme.htm Note that robberies only cost $500 million in 1996, while rapes cost $127 billion the same year. But note that only 3% of medical expenses are crime related. Which sounds really bad, until you start comparing it to chronic diseases: http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/overview.htm Heart disease is the real killer. Rather than worrying about that psycopath, try quitting smoking, eating right, and exercising more. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 3 12:52:48 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e3041203061368d7b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The locally made Coonan .357 SS is a beauty. Like a US military "1910" .45 but is a .357 auto. They are not common and probably not made now. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:14 AM > To: Ryan Ware; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo > Adventure > > > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:09:03 -0600, Ryan Ware wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:02:20 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > > > No number of locks, security systems, or guard dogs are going to protect > > > you from the guy with a pry bar looking to fund his drug habit. > > > > That's what the 12 ga. is for. > > 9mm Beretta 92 Brigadier INOX. It's a beautiful thing. > > http://berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm > -- > Dave Sherman > MCSA, MCSE, CCNA > [Insert witty .sig here.] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Dec 3 13:14:25 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Brian Hurt wrote: > The cost of crimes, however, is dispropotionate, as violent crime racks > up the costs a lot faster: > http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/1998/html/costcrme.htm > > Note that robberies only cost $500 million in 1996, while rapes cost > $127 billion the same year. But note that only 3% of medical expenses > are crime related. I think the total robbery cost includes only the value of stolen items. I have no idea what "costs" are included in the rape value. A total of $127 billion for rape is an average of about $433 per US resident per year. That must include the cost of policing, detective work, prosecution of offenders, incarceration, etc., etc. > Which sounds really bad, until you start comparing it to chronic diseases: > http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/overview.htm > > Heart disease is the real killer. Rather than worrying about that > psycopath, try quitting smoking, eating right, and exercising more. Wow! You sound just like one of our faculty!! Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Dec 3 13:28:43 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: WAAAAYYYY OT now: Re: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure References: Message-ID: <41B0BE6B.6000803@ppdonline.com> Chuck Cole wrote: > Like a US military "1910" .45 ... Do you mean 1911? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 3 13:57:36 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: WAAAAYYYY OT now: Re: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] SomewhatHumerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41B0BE6B.6000803@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Bargabus > > > Chuck Cole wrote: > > > Like a US military "1910" .45 ... > > > Do you mean 1911? Yes. Not enough coffee this morning... Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 13:31:21 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSEC Message-ID: <9d6c82530412031131122c1020@mail.gmail.com> I'm running into problems working with IPSEC under the 2.6 kernel (KAME). I'm trying to set up a simple pre-shared key vpn site-to-site connection. I have set up Debian as a router before using shorewall and thought I would just have to create the tunnel and adjust the shorewall firewall accordingly. But I must be missing something. Debian uses racoon-tool for setting up the vpn tunnel and this is my configuration. global: log: notify peer(%default): verify_identifier: on connection(%default): src_ip: local_ip_address #I've put in my dhcp assigned ip address here # Remote peer(remote_ip_address): peers_identifier: address connection(remote): dst_range: 172.17.17.0/24 #remote non-routeable network dst_ip: remote_ip_address admin_status: enabled When I run racoon-tool 'vpnup remote' I get 'Starting VPN remote...done.' Nothing changes in route or under ifconfig. What am I missing? -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Dec 3 14:56:51 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412032056.iB3KupU23949@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Sun UltraSparc II e250 server Sun Microsystems e250 server for sale. Great Solaris learning tool! Excellent condition. *** asking $350 *** - Dual Ultrasparc II, 64 bit, 300mhz processors - 1024 MB Ram - 6 9 GB SCSI 3 hard drives - CDRom drive - mouse & keyboard - PC SVGA compatible video card - currently has Solaris 9 installed; system drive mirrored in Raid1; other 4 drives in Raid5 striped set - Solaris 8 & 9 CD sets (DL'ed from Sun) - Solaris 9 Exam Cram certification book Seller Email address: jhawley at hissingdragon dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lug at hentzenwerke.com Fri Dec 3 15:04:49 2004 From: lug at hentzenwerke.com (Whil Hentzen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: WAAAAYYYY OT now: Re: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41B0BE6B.6000803@ppdonline.com> References: <41B0BE6B.6000803@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200412031504.49938.lug@hentzenwerke.com> On Friday 03 December 2004 13:28, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Chuck Cole wrote: > > Like a US military "1910" .45 ... > > Do you mean 1911? "1910, 1911, whatever it takes..." - Jack Butler to Ron Richards, while waving a chainsaw -- Whil Moving to Linux: Freedom, Choice, Security, Opportunity http://www.hentzenwerke.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Dec 3 15:41:21 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412032141.iB3LfLK26744@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IBM ServeRAID 4M 64-Bit SCSI RAID I have an IBM ServeRAID 4M U160 2 channel SCSI Controller for sale. 64 MB ECC battery-backed cache. This card does work but not in all machines. It will work in IBM server but I could net get it to work in my Dell Poweredge 2400 or 600SC. IBM seems aware of this compatibility issue but told me just to buy an IBM server. I'm asking $100 dollars for this. I live in Saint Cloud but would be willing to meet somewhere near Maple Grove or Brooklyn Center to drop it off. Seller Email address: adam at askewview dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 22:04:44 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <1102092346.41b0983a11943@my.visi.com> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> <1102092346.41b0983a11943@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a04120320042f61ba76@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:45:46 -0600, smac@visi.com wrote: > I grew up in a small city, Duluth MN. (West end), I grew up in a small city too. The same shitty one that I live in now... NE of the cities. > The evil that "man" will do to "man" has no end. The evil that "family" will do to "family" is even deeper... -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Sat Dec 4 18:13:46 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ocaml Links Message-ID: In my presentation, I promised to send a bunch of links around about Ocaml. Here they are. I intend to put the slides up (as an OpenOffice Impress presentation) as soon as I can throw them up on a webserver somewhere. Until then, The Slashdot review of "Developing Applications with Ocaml": http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/30/2129226&tid=156&tid=6 This is the main home page of Ocaml: http://caml.inria.fr/ The Ocaml beginners mailing list (a good place to ask questions while learning Ocaml): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners/ The Humps is Ocaml's version of CPAN, and gives you an idea of what sorts of libraries are available for Ocaml: http://caml.inria.fr/humps/index.html People actually using Ocaml (incomplete): http://caml.inria.fr/users_programs-eng.html The Garbage Collection FAQ (good source for info and links if your interested in GC): http://www.iecc.com/gclist/GC-faq.html Some interesting papers on ML (a precursor to Ocaml) performance, especially with garbage collection: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/goncalves95cache.html http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/reinhold94cache.html I want to mention this page, although it's not the official homepage and it's not the best at getting updated, it's another starting point: http://www.ocaml.org/ Some more projects that use Ocaml: http://freshmeat.net/projects/spamoracle/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/mldonkey/ And IDE not only for Ocaml, but in Ocaml: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/cameleon/ A webradio application: http://sourceforge.net/projects/savonet/ Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Dec 5 12:00:22 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412051800.iB5I0Mf15346@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Apex AD-800 DVD player, not working well Free to first person who e-mails me. I'll have it in my car today (12/5/2004) and might be able to drop it off for you. Send e-mail to mbmiller@taxa.epi.umn.edu . The unit gradually got worse and worse and may have a heat-sensitive problem. It sometimes works, but I'm sick of it. Paid $300 for it four years ago. It's yours free if you'll pick it up, but I might also drop it off for you if not too inconvenient for me. Mike Seller Email address: mbmiller at taxa dot epi dot umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Dec 5 12:41:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:51 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04120320042f61ba76@mail.gmail.com> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> <1102092346.41b0983a11943@my.visi.com> <67f3084a04120320042f61ba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B3564B.30303@visi.com> Agree with you 100% the abuse goes way beyond what I wrote. Sam. Shawn Fertch wrote: >On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:45:46 -0600, smac@visi.com wrote: > > >>I grew up in a small city, Duluth MN. (West end), >> >> > >I grew up in a small city too. The same shitty one that I live in >now... NE of the cities. > > > > >>The evil that "man" will do to "man" has no end. >> >> > >The evil that "family" will do to "family" is even deeper... > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Dec 5 14:05:20 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412051800.iB5I0Mf15346@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200412051800.iB5I0Mf15346@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Free > > Subject: Apex AD-800 DVD player, not working well > > Free to first person who e-mails me. I already heard from someone who'll take this off my hands. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From olwe at cpinternet.com Sun Dec 5 14:58:39 2004 From: olwe at cpinternet.com (Olwe Melwasul) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora3 yum configuration Message-ID: <41B3767F.1020400@cpinternet.com> I'm trying to set up my new Fed3's yum, but so much of the "help" out there is confusing and seems to conflict. I would like to use a "near-Minnesota" mirror, and, apparently, I'm not set up yet to do pgp keys either. How do I set up pgp keys for yum, and would anyone have a Minnesota-friendly yum.conf they could share? Olwe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Dec 5 18:36:06 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412060036.iB60a6M18837@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Macintosh LC II I have an Macintosh LC II for sale: >From what I can Find on the internet about these computers... Processor Speed: 16mhz System Memory: 4mb HDD: 40mb to 80mb SCSI Floppy drive included No power cable's I do have a mac keyboard and mouse I will include. I'm asking $15 obo Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Dec 5 18:39:22 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412060039.iB60dMi19335@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Macintosh Performa 400 I have a Macintosh Performa 400 for sale. Processor Speed: 16mhz System Memory: 4mb HDD:40 to 80mb Floppydrive included No cables included I'm asking $15 obo I also Have a Macintosh LC II for sale: if someone want's both I would ask for $30 for the two of them with the few cables I have. Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Sun Dec 5 20:05:41 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: Mac Perfoma Message-ID: <200412060205419585cd98b4@mail.smumn.edu> Isn't there a museum that will take these items.....? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Dec 5 22:53:41 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: Mac Perfoma In-Reply-To: <200412060205419585cd98b4@mail.smumn.edu>; from SDALAN04@smumn.edu on Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:05:41PM -0600 References: <200412060205419585cd98b4@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <20041205225341.A16973@thinkunix.net> SDALAN04@smumn.edu wrote: > Isn't there a museum that will take these items.....? Science Museum of MN has some old computer hardware; I'm not sure if they accept donations, but you could try them. http://www.smm.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Dec 6 01:23:12 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412060723.iB67NCA22977@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 800 MHz Athlon system This is an Athlon (Thunderbird) system that has been modded to run very quietly. I installed a new power supply, CPU cooling fan, and Seagate Barracuda hard disk to make it as quiet as possible. It's not completely silent, but it's considerably quieter than the average PC. Here are the specs: * 800 MHz Athlon processor * 768 MB RAM * 80 GB Seagate Barracuda disk * Beautiful, black aluminum Lian Li PC-61 case (google for photos) * Plextor CD-RW (10/12/32x) * DVD-ROM * 10/100 network card * Creative Live! sound card * Number 9 Revolution IV video card * Microsoft ergonomic keyboard and Logitech 3-button optical mouse * no display or external speakers are included The machine is in perfect working order and has been my main Linux workstation since I got it. I'm selling it because I've been spending most of my time with my PowerBook instead. You will probably have to put in a new video card unless you've got an SGI 1600SW flat panel display lying around. :-) This card was designed for that monitor and is quite slow by current standards. I live in Blaine and would be happy to work with the buyer to arrange pick up or delivery in the Twin Cities area. I don't have time to search around and figure out the going price for a system like this, but the sweet case and quiet operation of this system are really quite nice. How about $322.76 or best offer? Seller Email address: wilson at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Dec 6 15:28:28 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412062128.iB6LSSi11253@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: inWin full tower case I would like to get a mostly empty inWin Q500 full tower case off my living room floor. In it's current state, it's missing 3 of the 5.25" front bezels. I had 3 cdroms in it. I *might* be able to find one or two of them if someone is actually interested in this beast, or you can have a free CD-ROM or two. I it has a 300 watt power supply, and there are still a few case fans in it. Absolutely free to anyone who can pick it up in Eagan, MN. E-mail: andy at zibnet dot us if you want more details. Seller Email address: andyzib at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Dec 6 15:39:51 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help Message-ID: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon Dec 6 16:25:23 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <26103.12.47.38.130.1102371923.squirrel@12.47.38.130> NAT! Have your router do NAT > I'm trying to setup a DSL modem and a firewall and having some real > problems. > > Here's the current setup: > > DSL 155.57/28 --- 155.77/28 netscreen 5XT 192.168.10.100/24 --- managed > switch -- boxes > > I've got a block of ips in the 155.57/28 range. I want boxes that are > externally visible (in 155.57/28) and protected by a firewall; such that > it appears that the machines are directly on the internet. I currently > only have access to the netscreen, although I might be able to convince > the appropriate people to use a Linux/BSD machine. > > I can change the IPs on the netscreen, but don't have a second public > block. Is this possible? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Dec 6 16:40:39 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help Message-ID: >>> jpschewe@mtu.net 12/06/04 03:39PM >>> >I'm trying to setup a DSL modem and a firewall and having some real >problems. >Here's the current setup: >DSL 155.57/28 --- 155.77/28 netscreen 5XT 192.168.10.100/24 --- managed >switch -- boxes >I've got a block of ips in the 155.57/28 range. I want boxes that are >externally visible (in 155.57/28) and protected by a firewall; such that >it appears that the machines are directly on the internet. I currently >only have access to the netscreen, although I might be able to convince >the appropriate people to use a Linux/BSD machine. >I can change the IPs on the netscreen, but don't have a second public >block. Is this possible? We're using Netscreens in our network at Toro. You need to take a look at MIPs (Mapped IP). This is the Netscreen nomenclature for what you are trying to do. If you want more info, feel free to contact me off list. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Dec 6 17:00:58 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1102374058.41b4e4aa0ea80@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jon Schewe : > I'm trying to setup a DSL modem and a firewall and having some real > problems. > > Here's the current setup: > > DSL 155.57/28 --- 155.77/28 netscreen 5XT 192.168.10.100/24 --- managed > switch -- boxes > > I've got a block of ips in the 155.57/28 range. I want boxes that are > externally visible (in 155.57/28) and protected by a firewall; such that > it appears that the machines are directly on the internet. I currently > only have access to the netscreen, although I might be able to convince > the appropriate people to use a Linux/BSD machine. > > I can change the IPs on the netscreen, but don't have a second public > block. Is this possible? > Sounds like your best solution will be to do some sort of static NAT with the NetScreen. ISTR that NetScreen calls them Virtual IPs, never laid hands on one before so I can not say for certain. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Dec 6 17:08:57 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <26103.12.47.38.130.1102371923.squirrel@12.47.38.130> References: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <26103.12.47.38.130.1102371923.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: <1102374537.24927.137.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Dec 6 17:33:16 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102374537.24927.137.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <26103.12.47.38.130.1102371923.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <1102374537.24927.137.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1102375996.41b4ec3c143f9@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jon Schewe : > Except that I need the traffic from the internal machines to appear to > come from the public addresses. > This is what NAT does. You have IP addresses 1, 2 and 3 which are routable and issued to you by your ISP. You have IP addresses 4,5,6,7,8,9 which are RFC1918 addresses on your internal network. You can set up NAT so that all traffic coming from IP 6,7,8 and 9 appers to source from IP 1. Additionally, you can statically map IP 2 to IP 4 so that any traffic going to 2 gets sent to 4, and vice versa. You can also do PAT, where traffic to a specific port on a certain external IP gets sent to one address and traffic to that same external IP on a different port gets sent to a different address. This sounds like what you want, email me off list if you want to discuss further. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon Dec 6 18:00:26 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102374537.24927.137.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1102369190.24927.115.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <26103.12.47.38.130.1102371923.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <1102374537.24927.137.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <54078.12.47.38.130.1102377626.squirrel@12.47.38.130> That can be how it works if that's what you want. It's the way I'm doing it. I have my router running NAT. If I hit my external address to access web, e-mail, or whatever, it's pulling that information off of one of the internal boxes, and those boxes have only private IP's. However, it appears from the outside to be coming from one of my public IP addresses. That sounded to me like what you wanted too. Maybe I'm confusing the issue... ;) > Except that I need the traffic from the internal machines to appear to > come from the public addresses. > > On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 16:25, Garrett Krueger wrote: > >> NAT! >> >> Have your router do NAT >> >> > I'm trying to setup a DSL modem and a firewall and having some real >> > problems. >> > >> > Here's the current setup: >> > >> > DSL 155.57/28 --- 155.77/28 netscreen 5XT 192.168.10.100/24 --- >> managed >> > switch -- boxes >> > >> > I've got a block of ips in the 155.57/28 range. I want boxes that are >> > externally visible (in 155.57/28) and protected by a firewall; such >> that >> > it appears that the machines are directly on the internet. I >> currently >> > only have access to the netscreen, although I might be able to >> convince >> > the appropriate people to use a Linux/BSD machine. >> > >> > I can change the IPs on the netscreen, but don't have a second public >> > block. Is this possible? >> > >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe >> > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html >> > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels >> > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any >> > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all >> > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that >> > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompsgr at avaion.com Tue Dec 7 11:43:20 2004 From: thompsgr at avaion.com (Geoffrey R. Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question Message-ID: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 11:54:09 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:43:20 -0600, Geoffrey R. Thompson wrote: > > I have root access on my new dedicated box, and can connect via Putty > remotely without any problem, but when I try to create new user accounts > (for my own good, so that I am not connected as root), Putty does not let me > connect via the new user accounts. Are you setting the password for the new user accounts? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MKroska at kdv.com Tue Dec 7 11:52:57 2004 From: MKroska at kdv.com (Mark J. Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question Message-ID: Geoff-- I would first make certain the new accounts have a valid shell (such as /bin/bash or /bin/tcsh). The system may be configured to use a null or /bin/false default shell which would prevent interactive login to the system. To check the shell of a user: log in as root finger username (this will display all the GECOS/finger information in addition to which shell is currently selected) chsh username (this will display the current shell in brackets and allow you to specify a new one, such as /bin/bash) attempt to PuTTY in again as the user Often the default useradd info is stored under /etc/default/useradd (a text file). You can edit it for home dir, shell, etc. Let me know if this helps or if you're still stuck. Mark Mark J. Kroska Director of Web Services KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Geoffrey R. Thompson Sent: Tue 12/7/2004 11:43 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question Though I have been hosting a php application for some time on a Linux box, I was sheltered from Linux admin responsibilities by my shared hosting ISP. I am now attempting to move to a dedicated environment - still at an ISP - and have discovered how little I know about Linux admin. :-( I have root access on my new dedicated box, and can connect via Putty remotely without any problem, but when I try to create new user accounts (for my own good, so that I am not connected as root), Putty does not let me connect via the new user accounts. I have read many books/docs/faqs on SSH - but they all seem to deal with using ssh-keygen on the client, and then copying the key info to the server. My dilemma is, I am using Putty, and I did not have to run ssh-keygen in order to get access via the root account originally. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Dec 7 12:00:54 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: <20041207180054.GB29574@fireopal.org> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:43:20AM -0600, Geoffrey R. Thompson wrote: > When adding a new user, what do I have to do to be able to log-in remotely > as that user via Putty? Make a new PuTTY profile - in Connection, leave the "Auto-login username" box blank and make certain Connection | SSH | Auth has NOTHING in the "Private key file for authentication" box. You should then be prompted for a UserID & Password when you log in to your box, and can fill them in. Later, you can do the KeyGen thing. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Tue Dec 7 12:29:43 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412062128.iB6LSSi11253@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: My current system is housed in a 4yr old INWIN Q500, I love this "beast", its got as much room under the hood as a late 60's ford pickup!! have 2 vantec tornado's for exhaust, turned down to 7v with a vantec nexus fan controller so my gf wont kill me, lol. Excellent air flow with this case, if i didnt live in Ramsey I would come on by and grab it -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of TCLUG Classifieds Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: inWin full tower case I would like to get a mostly empty inWin Q500 full tower case off my living room floor. In it's current state, it's missing 3 of the 5.25" front bezels. I had 3 cdroms in it. I *might* be able to find one or two of them if someone is actually interested in this beast, or you can have a free CD-ROM or two. I it has a 300 watt power supply, and there are still a few case fans in it. Absolutely free to anyone who can pick it up in Eagan, MN. E-mail: andy at zibnet dot us if you want more details. Seller Email address: andyzib at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 7 12:51:31 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: <20041207125131.A19265@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:43:20AM -0600, Geoffrey R. Thompson wrote: > When adding a new user, what do I have to do to be able to log-in remotely > as that user via Putty? Another hint is to make sure that you can login into the new account when you are already connected as root. While logged in as root try: # su user and supply the user's password. If that doesn't work, then the problem is likely in the way the accounts were created. Jim P.S. Please do not send html-mail or attachments (unless they are necessary for debugging, etc.) to this list. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Alfonso_Chavez at cargill.com Tue Dec 7 13:05:23 2004 From: Alfonso_Chavez at cargill.com (Alfonso_Chavez@cargill.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Dec 7 13:13:55 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 Alfonso_Chavez@cargill.com wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that if you are connected as root > and use "su user", the system won't ask you for the password. > Nonetheless, that is a good way to determine if you have a default shell > (/bin/bash, etc) Right. Also, just look in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow Anyone creating accounts who doesn't understand those two files should now learn about them! When I've had the problem reported here, it was always because I didn't create a normal password for the new user. SSH seems to require that. Someone else suggested this earlier. I think I've also typed the wrong path to the shell, but I'm pretty sure the system reports that before it kicks you out. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 13:17:19 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:05:23 -0600, alfonso_chavez@cargill.com > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that if you are connected as root > and use "su user", the system won't ask you for the password. > Nonetheless, that is a good way to determine if you have a default shell > (/bin/bash, etc) That's correct....at least on all of the *nix systems I've ever touched. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 7 13:53:38 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041207135338.A19386@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 01:05:23PM -0600, Alfonso_Chavez@cargill.com wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that if you are connected as root > and use "su user", the system won't ask you for the password. Indeed. That's what I get for not checking it. Most of my "su"ing is from a regular account! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 14:23:24 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDS system / Apache / DoS attacks Message-ID: Hello all - we've been recieving a lot of DoS-esque attacks on our webserver at work as of late. None of them have been enough to have an affect on the server, but nonetheless, it's malicious activity. Most of these attacks come in the form of many requests (thousands) being made over and over again to the same URL on our server. The requests come through at a rate of around 10/second or so, and they've come from several different IP blocks. So...up until this point, I've just been denying the IP address in a .htaccess file. This is working for now, but it's not a very elegant solution. Is there a product out there that can watch the access_logs, looking for requests to come in from a certain IP at a rate higher than a given threshold, and then temporarily ban that IP address? Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Dec 7 14:19:19 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I'm no expert on PuTTy use, so I'm shutting up about that. But, absolutely AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, shut off remote root access through SSH! Once you've got a user account working, you'll be able to log in as a user and su to root for anything rootish you need to do. If you don't do this, the next time there's an sshd hole, your machine will be toast.... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Dec 7 14:19:38 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: <1102450778.41b6105a13747@joshwelch.com> Quoting "Geoffrey R. Thompson" : > Though I have been hosting a php application for some time on a Linux box, I > was sheltered from Linux admin responsibilities by my shared hosting ISP. I > am now attempting to move to a dedicated environment - still at an ISP - and > have discovered how little I know about Linux admin. :-( > > > > I have root access on my new dedicated box, and can connect via Putty > remotely without any problem, but when I try to create new user accounts > (for my own good, so that I am not connected as root), Putty does not let me > connect via the new user accounts. > > > > I have read many books/docs/faqs on SSH - but they all seem to deal with > using ssh-keygen on the client, and then copying the key info to the server. > My dilemma is, I am using Putty, and I did not have to run ssh-keygen in > order to get access via the root account originally. > > > > When adding a new user, what do I have to do to be able to log-in remotely > as that user via Putty? > > > > Any tips for this newbie would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance - > > To clarify, it's not putty preventing you from accessing the box, it's something on your box itself most likely. When you are creating new users, how are you doing it? What is the distribution? If I recall correctly useradd on some distro's will not assign a shell, thus when you try and connect there is no environment for you to go into. Make sure you have /bin/bash or something similar for your users shell. usermod -s /bin/bash $USER _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Dec 7 14:33:49 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defending SSH Message-ID: In addition to turning off root access by putting the following line in my /etc/sshd_config file... PermitRootLogin no ...I also use tcp wrappers to deny access to people in Europe, South America and Asia and one annoying domain in Canada. Here are the lines for /etc/hosts.deny # I used to block ssh from everywhere, now I only block foreign countries # see this web page: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space sshd sshd2 sshdfwd-X11: 43. 61. 62. 80. 81. 193. 194. 195. 200. 201. 202. 203. 210. 211. 212. 213. 217. 218. 219. 220. .sympatico.ca You must compile sshd to use tcp wrappers, I think by compiling against libwrap.a . I also recommend this for VNC users. Sorry that I won't be able to answer questions about this, if there are any, but I think there must be info on the 'net. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 14:37:40 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <1102450778.41b6105a13747@joshwelch.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <1102450778.41b6105a13747@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:19:38 -0600, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > To clarify, it's not putty preventing you from accessing the box, it's something > on your box itself most likely. Right on - I was going to say the same thing. I've been using PuTTY for years, and I've never had an instance where PuTTY was causing the problem. > When you are creating new users, how are you doing it? What is the distribution? > If I recall correctly useradd on some distro's will not assign a shell, thus > when you try and connect there is no environment for you to go into. Make sure > you have /bin/bash or something similar for your users shell. > usermod -s /bin/bash $USER Also, some distros' useradd script (Gentoo in particular) don't create the home directory, so you have to use "useradd -m ". -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Dec 7 15:32:59 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Authenticated SMTP Message-ID: <41B6218B.7020709@tc-tech.com> For some reason I seem to have trouble sending email through my RH9 server using sendmail with authenticated SMTP. It works internally, with any client I try, setting it to authenticate or not, but when I try from home, even when I set the client to authenticate, it kicks back relaying denied. Is there a port other than 25 I need to open up in the firewall? Is auth SMTP turned off and it works anyway locally? Is there a setting to allow remote smtp as long as it's authenticated? Thanks, -- Matt Murphy TC Tech _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Dec 7 15:51:35 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Authenticated SMTP In-Reply-To: <41B6218B.7020709@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > For some reason I seem to have trouble sending email through my RH9 > server using sendmail with authenticated SMTP. It works internally, with > any client I try, setting it to authenticate or not, but when I try from > home, even when I set the client to authenticate, it kicks back relaying > denied. If it says "relaying denied," it's not a firewall issue. That's sendmail saying that. Easiest way to tell if SMTP AUTH is enabled: 1. Telnet to port 25 on the mail server (i.e., `telnet mail.server 25`) 2. Type "ehlo your.hostname" The mail server should kick back some "250" messages, like: 250-mail.server Hello user at localhost [127.0.0.1] 250-SIZE 52428800 250-PIPELINING 250-AUTH PLAIN 250 HELP The "AUTH PLAIN" is what we're probably looking for. If it doesn't respond with that, you probably need to crack open the .mc file used to generate your sendmail.cf; I can (probably) provide the configuration options, if you need them. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Dec 7 16:18:43 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Authenticated SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B62C43.3070609@tc-tech.com> Jima wrote: > The mail server should kick back some "250" messages, like: > > 250-mail.server Hello user at localhost [127.0.0.1] > 250-SIZE 52428800 > 250-PIPELINING > 250-AUTH PLAIN > 250 HELP > > The "AUTH PLAIN" is what we're probably looking for. No AUTH PLAIN on mine, it's a basically stock redhat 9 box, though reconfiguring sendmail probably isn't in the cards, as an exchange server is on its' way at the end of Jan. (no, not my idea, the marketing folks won't put up with thunderbird) Does this mean that when I'm using it locally, it's just trying the auth and then giving up and sending without auth? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Dec 7 16:31:40 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Authenticated SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B62F4C.4020704@redconcepts.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Dec 7 16:36:00 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1102458959.19306.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Dec 7 16:58:53 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102458959.19306.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1102458959.19306.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1102460333.41b635ad39213@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jon Schewe : > We got it figured out now. Thanks for everyone's help. > Just curious, what did you end up having to do. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 7 17:00:24 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux replacement for ACT! or Goldmine? Message-ID: <20041207230024.GC4332@real-time.com> Anyone have recommendations for a linux replacement for ACT! or Goldmine? How about a CRM for linux that doesn't cost thousands of dollars OR require something like Oracle on the backside? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Tue Dec 7 17:25:19 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over Message-ID: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> Anyone in Bloomington have a cross-over cable to spare? Sincerely, Dave~ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Dec 7 18:08:49 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. Just cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. > Anyone in Bloomington have a cross-over cable to spare? > > Sincerely, > > Dave~ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Tue Dec 7 18:02:03 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over Message-ID: <200412080002031985ce889f@mail.smumn.edu> Thanks..... And after all this crazy violance talk on TCLUG. I can say they're still geniously kind people out there.... Dave~ p.s. (Thanks Kraig) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Dec 7 18:09:28 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Authenticated SMTP In-Reply-To: <41B62C43.3070609@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > Jima wrote: > > The "AUTH PLAIN" is what we're probably looking for. > > No AUTH PLAIN on mine, it's a basically stock redhat 9 box, though > reconfiguring sendmail probably isn't in the cards, as an exchange > server is on its' way at the end of Jan. (no, not my idea, the marketing > folks won't put up with thunderbird) Ugh. My condolances. > Does this mean that when I'm using it locally, it's just trying the > auth and then giving up and sending without auth? Correct. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 7 19:30:27 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux replacement for ACT! or Goldmine? In-Reply-To: <20041207230024.GC4332@real-time.com> References: <20041207230024.GC4332@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041208013026.GA13203@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 7 21:45:28 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:08:49 -0600 (CST) "Garrett Krueger" wrote: > You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. > Just > cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. Definately - Home Depot will have both crimper and ends (though radio shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: http://linksys.com/faqs/default.asp?fqid=20 Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 1 11:35:29 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <20041201173529.GB17161@clavin> Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday December 4th, noon-2pm Topic: Ocaml programming language Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE/CSCI 3-125 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 1 13:36:52 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting - addl info Message-ID: <20041201193652.GC17161@clavin> Sorry for the dup, but I added a bunch of additional info that I though should be included. Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday December 4th, noon-2pm Topic: Ocaml programming language The talk itself is on Ocaml- not so much teaching the language itself, but on why you should learn it, and what it's good for (and what it isn't good for). No previous knowledge of Ocaml or functional languages is assumed. The executive summary: Ocaml is an applications development language- meaning you use to write things like word processors and web servers, not device drivers and operating systems, and less so scripts. It shines best in large code bases with multiple developers and in situations where maintainance is a concern. Ocaml allows you to write more code, more maintainable code, and more correct (less buggy code) in less time, without sacrificing performance. It is signifigantly more technologically advanced as a language than any "popular" language is. However, it is not- repeat NOT- a mere theoretical toy language. It is a deeply pragmatic and productive language- in many ways more pragmatic than Java and C++. I myself am a senior software engineer, currently unemployeed (hopefully this will change before Saturday). I've been programming in Ocaml non-professionally for ~3 years now. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE/CSCI 3-125 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 1 16:10:44 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting - Room change Message-ID: <20041201221044.GB20169@clavin> OK, this should be the last update. I screwed up the room in the other announcements. We are in room 3-180, which is where we normally meet. Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday December 4th, noon-2pm Topic: Ocaml programming language The talk itself is on Ocaml- not so much teaching the language itself, but on why you should learn it, and what it's good for (and what it isn't good for). No previous knowledge of Ocaml or functional languages is assumed. The executive summary: Ocaml is an applications development language- meaning you use to write things like word processors and web servers, not device drivers and operating systems, and less so scripts. It shines best in large code bases with multiple developers and in situations where maintainance is a concern. Ocaml allows you to write more code, more maintainable code, and more correct (less buggy code) in less time, without sacrificing performance. It is signifigantly more technologically advanced as a language than any "popular" language is. However, it is not- repeat NOT- a mere theoretical toy language. It is a deeply pragmatic and productive language- in many ways more pragmatic than Java and C++. I myself am a senior software engineer, currently unemployeed (hopefully this will change before Saturday). I've been programming in Ocaml non-professionally for ~3 years now. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE/CSCI 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tex at nerp.net Sun Dec 5 14:44:23 2004 From: tex at nerp.net (tex@nerp.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Thursday Message-ID: <1163.207.195.206.73.1102279463.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Hello Everyone, I thought we would go somewhere different and hopefully fun for the holidays this year. Please see website for details. http://beer.tclug.org Have a great week and hope to see you there! Thank you, Deborah Dotson _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Dec 7 21:58:19 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <1102478299.41b67bdb222da@webmail.northlans.com> I can make you one. Quoting SDALAN04@smumn.edu: > Anyone in Bloomington have a cross-over cable to spare? > > Sincerely, > > Dave~ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using mail services provided by NorthLANs Alliance. --------------------------- www.northlans.com --------------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Dec 7 22:31:12 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some firewall/routing help In-Reply-To: <1102460333.41b635ad39213@joshwelch.com> References: <1102458959.19306.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1102460333.41b635ad39213@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1102480271.1340.9.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Tue Dec 7 22:37:46 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:19:19PM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I'm no expert on PuTTy use, so I'm shutting up about that. But, > absolutely AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, shut off remote root access through > SSH! Once you've got a user account working, you'll be able to log in > as a user and su to root for anything rootish you need to do. > > If you don't do this, the next time there's an sshd hole, your machine > will be toast.... What kind of crack are you smoking? There is no good reason to turn off remote root logins, beyond an extra password to type. If they snarfed *YOUR* password from somewhere they can probably snarf your root password as well when you su -. A lot of people who turn off remote root also setup sudo so they don't have to type the root password, making it moot to begin with. A bug in ssh isn't going to magicly say 'oh, but they have allowrootlogin turned off, i guess i won't be vulnerable today!' -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Tue Dec 7 23:15:09 2004 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux replacement for ACT! or Goldmine? In-Reply-To: <20041207230024.GC4332@real-time.com> References: <20041207230024.GC4332@real-time.com> Message-ID: <41B68DDD.4070801@ip-wizard.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have recommendations for a linux replacement for ACT! or Goldmine? > > How about a CRM for linux that doesn't cost thousands of dollars OR require > something like Oracle on the backside? > Not real familiar with it, but SugarSales got a lot of press a month or so back...uses Mysql for the back end IIRC. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Dec 7 23:51:56 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:19:19PM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >> >> I'm no expert on PuTTy use, so I'm shutting up about that. But, >> absolutely AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, shut off remote root access through >> SSH! Once you've got a user account working, you'll be able to log in >> as a user and su to root for anything rootish you need to do. >> >> If you don't do this, the next time there's an sshd hole, your machine >> will be toast.... > > What kind of crack are you smoking? There is no good reason to turn off > remote root logins, beyond an extra password to type. Can you explain this further? I have the impression (or misimpression) that allowing root login is dangerous because if a vulnerability in sshd allows login without a password, an attacker can then login as root. If root login is not allowed, they must guess a username, and if that works for them, they still won't have root permissions. Anything that postpones a successful attack during the time between discovery of the exploit and application of the patch will be helpful. Is this way of thinking all wrong? I am happy to be corrected because I am not a computer expert. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 04:25:19 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:51:56PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > Can you explain this further? I have the impression (or misimpression) > that allowing root login is dangerous because if a vulnerability in sshd > allows login without a password, an attacker can then login as root. There has never been such an exploit to my knowledge, and the likelyness of one is pretty low. You're more likely to run into a buffer overflow that grants the exploit code the privs of sshd (root) > If > root login is not allowed, they must guess a username, and if that works > for them, they still won't have root permissions. No, just bin, daemon, apache, , etc. > Anything that postpones > a successful attack during the time between discovery of the exploit and > application of the patch will be helpful. Is this way of thinking all > wrong? I am happy to be corrected because I am not a computer expert. This is like keeping your valuables in your basement, in the off chance that an airplane happens to crash into the second floor of your house. If you really want to secure your system: 1) stop using passwords entirely (use RSA/DSA keys) 2) filter ssh access to only known hosts (where possible) 3) Disable protocol 1 backwards compatibility 4) Disable authentication methods that you do not use, kerberos, rhosts, etc. 5) keep your sshd up to date > > Mike -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkuster at sihope.com Wed Dec 8 07:13:15 2004 From: jkuster at sihope.com (john kuster) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open source version of ACT or Goldmine Message-ID: <1102511592.2700.13.camel@Groucho.Marx.Bro> There are a number of open source crm projects. Notable are eGroupware, Netoffice, SugarCRM, and crm-ctt (the latter being basically an address book). All are based on LAMP technology. All are found at Sourceforge. There is also a package called Compiere, which is an enterprise-level erp/crm package utilizing Oracle and Jave. It is also available at Sourceforge. -- john kuster _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Dec 8 07:28:32 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:37:46PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: [snip] > A lot of people who turn off remote root also setup sudo so they don't > have to type the root password, making it moot to begin with. That's the whole point of sudo--you type your own password, so you don't have to know the root pw. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 8 07:44:05 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1102513445.41b705257d1c6@joshwelch.com> Quoting Mike Miller : > > What kind of crack are you smoking? There is no good reason to turn off > > remote root logins, beyond an extra password to type. > > > Can you explain this further? I have the impression (or misimpression) > that allowing root login is dangerous because if a vulnerability in sshd > allows login without a password, an attacker can then login as root. If > root login is not allowed, they must guess a username, and if that works > for them, they still won't have root permissions. Anything that postpones > a successful attack during the time between discovery of the exploit and > application of the patch will be helpful. Is this way of thinking all > wrong? I am happy to be corrected because I am not a computer expert. > > Mike Never heard of an exploit that allows loggin in without a password. Typically what you will see would be an exploit, i.e. a buffer overflow, that gives shell access at the privelege level the service is running at. Running ssh with privelege seperation should help you to avoid getting rooted in this way. I disallow root logins on my work boxes because I don't want people logging in as root, if they need the priveleges they can sudo. Of course I am also not foolish enough to set things up as Matthew described. On my personal machines I disable root login largely out of habit. You should have a strong enough password on root to invalidate any dictionary attacks. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompsgr at avaion.com Wed Dec 8 08:21:33 2004 From: thompsgr at avaion.com (Geoffrey R. Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <1102450778.41b6105a13747@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <002201c4dd31$3b8897c0$6501a8c0@P2500> Josh Welch wrote: > > To clarify, it's not putty preventing you from accessing the box, it's > something > on your box itself most likely. > - Yep - I think so, too - just don't know what - yet. :) > When you are creating new users, how are you doing it? What is the > distribution? - Fedora Core 2 - I tried both useradd, but I saw one post calling it Slackware, so I tried adduser, too. Neither worked, and both seemed to have the same results (user added, group with same name added, /bin/bash for shell). > If I recall correctly useradd on some distro's will not assign a shell, > thus > when you try and connect there is no environment for you to go into. Make > sure > you have /bin/bash or something similar for your users shell. > usermod -s /bin/bash $USER - I saw that in my research, too - and tried it, but it didn't help. Mark Kroska also suggested this, and suggested I try a finger on the user - the shell is /bin/bash. He also suggested I look at /etc/default/useradd - and it has: GROUP=100 HOME=/home INACTIVE=-1 EXPIRE= SHELL=/bin/bash SKEL=/etc/skel So, the shell looks good, right? After creating a user, I can do a su - myuser - and use ls, cat, etc as that user. Also, I looked in /etc/group and GROUP 100 is users. Thanks for the help - any other thoughts? Geoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Wed Dec 8 08:36:57 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <002201c4dd31$3b8897c0$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <002201c4dd31$3b8897c0$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: <1102516617.4002.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Have you messed with system-config-authenction or authconfig... you can see what your system is referencing in /etc/nsswitch.conf Sounds like you are going to want it to be referencing ?files? first. Sorry if this is redundant. I am sorta jumping in the middle, having just signed up to the list. Chris Smith Sr. Systems Administrator API Group Inc. On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 08:21 -0600, Geoffrey R. Thompson wrote: > Josh Welch wrote: > > > > To clarify, it's not putty preventing you from accessing the box, it's > > something > > on your box itself most likely. > > > - Yep - I think so, too - just don't know what - yet. :) > > > When you are creating new users, how are you doing it? What is the > > distribution? > > - Fedora Core 2 - I tried both useradd, but I saw one post calling it > Slackware, so I tried adduser, too. Neither worked, and both seemed to have > the same results (user added, group with same name added, /bin/bash for > shell). > > > If I recall correctly useradd on some distro's will not assign a shell, > > thus > > when you try and connect there is no environment for you to go into. Make > > sure > > you have /bin/bash or something similar for your users shell. > > usermod -s /bin/bash $USER > > - I saw that in my research, too - and tried it, but it didn't help. Mark > Kroska also suggested this, and suggested I try a finger on the user - the > shell is /bin/bash. > > He also suggested I look at /etc/default/useradd - and it has: > > GROUP=100 > HOME=/home > INACTIVE=-1 > EXPIRE= > SHELL=/bin/bash > SKEL=/etc/skel > > So, the shell looks good, right? After creating a user, I can do a su - > myuser - and use ls, cat, etc as that user. > > Also, I looked in /etc/group and GROUP 100 is users. > > Thanks for the help - any other thoughts? > > Geoff > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Dec 8 09:13:03 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <16823.6655.489729.580773@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew S Hallacy writes: Matthew> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:19:19PM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >> >> I'm no expert on PuTTy use, so I'm shutting up about that. But, >> absolutely AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, shut off remote root access through >> SSH! Once you've got a user account working, you'll be able to log in >> as a user and su to root for anything rootish you need to do. >> >> If you don't do this, the next time there's an sshd hole, your machine >> will be toast.... Matthew> What kind of crack are you smoking? There is no good Matthew> reason to turn off remote root logins, beyond an extra Matthew> password to type. If they snarfed *YOUR* password from Matthew> somewhere they can probably snarf your root password as Matthew> well when you su -. A lot of people who turn off remote Matthew> root also setup sudo so they don't have to type the root Matthew> password, making it moot to begin with. Well, if I'm smoking crack, I'm not the only one. From "Securing and Optimizing Linux: RedHat Edition -A Hands on Guide": PermitRootLogin no The option PermitRootLogin specifies whether root can log in using ssh. Never say yes to this option. Matthew> A bug in ssh isn't going to magicly say 'oh, but they Matthew> have allowrootlogin turned off, i guess i won't be Matthew> vulnerable today!' Huh? Well here's at least one reason: all those bots that try repeatedly to do root login over ssh aren't going to get anywhere... The internet storm center reports endemic ssh scans out in the wild. anything I can do to make this harder for them (including a little crack) is fine with me... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Dec 8 09:38:20 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> Message-ID: <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:45:28PM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:08:49 -0600 (CST) > "Garrett Krueger" wrote: > > > You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. > > Just > > cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. > > Definately - Home Depot will have both crimper and ends (though radio > shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: Microcenter has more and cheaper options. When I was shopping for one I was disappointed by the selection at Home Depot and Radio Shack. I think I ended up getting one at Microcenter for $10 ($20 model 1/2 off). Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JCMontz at jamestower.com Wed Dec 8 09:59:50 2004 From: JCMontz at jamestower.com (Montz, James C. (James Tower)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on use of tar incremental backup Message-ID: <01E4A5BAEE42D411977100508BC22C9F0DE66EDF@tcexch3.taylorcorp.com> I'm working on a backup script (backups to NAS) and was looking for some clarification on tar command options. I would like to do a complete tar archive once a week, with incremental on all other days. Common Variables are: DATE=$(/bin/date -I) NAME=$(/bin/uname -n) DEST=/mnt/backup FILENAME=$NAME.$DATE.tar The complete backup tar command is: tar -Pcvpf $DEST/$FILENAME -X /etc/backup.exclude --verify / The incremental backup tar command (and the one I have questions on): tar -Pcpvf $DEST/$FILENAME -X /etc/backup.exclude --verify --newer=/etc/backup.DATE / Questions: It's not clear to me what exactly DATE should be when using the --newer (-N, --after-date) options. The man page only shows; -N, --after-date DATE, --newer DATE only store files newer than DATE Is this supposed to a time stamp of some sort, like DEC 12, 2004? What is the format? Can it be a file, so incremental backups all files newer than DATE of file (as I have attempted to use)? For example, which is the proper use? --newer with some kind of Date specified; tar -Pcvpf $DEST/$FILENAME -X /etc/backup.exclude --verify --newer=DEC 9, 2004 --newer with file name specified (in the hope incremental grabs anything newer than timestamp on file) tar -Pcvpf $DEST/$FILENAME -x /etc/backup.exclude --verify --newer=/etc/backup.DATE NOTE: /etc/backup.DATE is modified after each backup script run by echoing $DATE DATE=$(/bin/date -I) ... Backup script ... echo $DATE > /etc/backup.DATE Any other suggestions on better ways to do handle full/incremental backups? ______________________________ James _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 10:13:54 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on use of tar incremental backup In-Reply-To: <01E4A5BAEE42D411977100508BC22C9F0DE66EDF@tcexch3.taylorcorp.com> References: <01E4A5BAEE42D411977100508BC22C9F0DE66EDF@tcexch3.taylorcorp.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:59:50 -0600, Montz, James C. (James Tower) > Any other suggestions on better ways to do handle full/incremental > backups? I'd highly suggest you take a look at rsnapshot.org. It's an awesome product, and (I believe) it's doing exactly what you're looking for. It can do either local filesystem backups or remote backups using rsync over ssh. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Dec 8 10:25:02 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on use of tar incremental backup In-Reply-To: <01E4A5BAEE42D411977100508BC22C9F0DE66EDF@tcexch3.taylorcorp.com> References: <01E4A5BAEE42D411977100508BC22C9F0DE66EDF@tcexch3.taylorcorp.com> Message-ID: <20041208102502.A19676@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:59:50AM -0600, Montz, James C. (James Tower) wrote: > Questions: > It's not clear to me what exactly DATE should be when using the --newer > (-N, --after-date) options. > The man page only shows; > -N, --after-date DATE, --newer DATE > only store files newer than DATE Like many GNU utilities, the man page is adequate and you have to look at the info page to get the necessary details. Here's a link, though you should be able to get it from "info tar" as well: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/info/tar/tar_7.html#SEC100 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 10:33:00 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20041208163300.GJ2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:28:32AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:37:46PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > [snip] > > A lot of people who turn off remote root also setup sudo so they don't > > have to type the root password, making it moot to begin with. > > That's the whole point of sudo--you type your own password, so you don't > have to know the root pw. That was my point, you haven't protected root access. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 10:37:05 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <16823.6655.489729.580773@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <16823.6655.489729.580773@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20041208163705.GK2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:13:03AM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Well, if I'm smoking crack, I'm not the only one. From "Securing and > Optimizing Linux: RedHat Edition -A Hands on Guide": > > > PermitRootLogin no > > The option PermitRootLogin specifies whether root can log in using > ssh. Never say yes to this option. > People are retarded, See below. > > Matthew> A bug in ssh isn't going to magicly say 'oh, but they > Matthew> have allowrootlogin turned off, i guess i won't be > Matthew> vulnerable today!' > > Huh? Well here's at least one reason: all those bots that try > repeatedly to do root login over ssh aren't going to get anywhere... > > The internet storm center reports endemic ssh scans out in the wild. > anything I can do to make this harder for them (including a little > crack) is fine with me... They're using dictionary attacks, if you're stupid enough to use a dictionary password (you know, when passwd says THIS IS A BAD PASSWORD) then you deserve to be rooted, exploited, shot in the head, etc. Those same ssh scanners are also trying 'test' 'guest' 'toor' and a few other common account names Relying on the obscurity of your usernames is not sufficient, stop picking weak passwords, filter access from hosts that aren't supposed to be loggin in, use RSA/DSA keys, and it's a non-issue. (I think I mentioned this in a previous email) > > R -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 10:41:49 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> Message-ID: <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:38:20AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:45:28PM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:08:49 -0600 (CST) > > "Garrett Krueger" wrote: > > > > > You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. > > > Just > > > cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. > > > > Definately - Home Depot will have both crimper and ends (though radio > > shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: > > Microcenter has more and cheaper options. When I was shopping for one I > was disappointed by the selection at Home Depot and Radio Shack. I > think I ended up getting one at Microcenter for $10 ($20 model 1/2 off). > > Nate You bought the plastic crimper, didn't you? Home Depot has an Ideal brand crimper that's about as good as you're going to get unless you buy a die set crimper. $39.97, www.homedepot.com, punch in 302489 into the upper right corner search box. Microcenter, cheap, and quality do not go together. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 10:58:36 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> >Home Depot has an Ideal brand > crimper So if the original poster needs, I have the above mentioned crimper, wire and the plug ends - and I'm in bloomington - home all day You could test it out before you buy and make a cross-over!! My crimper is from Home depot, but I upgraded it a bit.... It's far better than ANYTHING out there... I should really put my Crimper mod up on the Internet so others can benefit.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Dec 8 11:06:30 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:41:49AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:38:20AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > > Microcenter has more and cheaper options. When I was shopping for one I > > was disappointed by the selection at Home Depot and Radio Shack. I > > think I ended up getting one at Microcenter for $10 ($20 model 1/2 off). > > You bought the plastic crimper, didn't you? Home Depot has an Ideal brand > crimper that's about as good as you're going to get unless you buy a die > set crimper. Nope, it's metal. Works great and didn't drain my wallet. > $39.97, www.homedepot.com, punch in 302489 into the upper right corner > search box. Since I'm using this more as a hobby tool and not day-to-day work, I don't see the sense in spending the Home Depot price. If you have money to burn and an ego to feed, go right ahead. > Microcenter, cheap, and quality do not go together. > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified With a sig like that, how can anyone take you seriously? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Dec 8 11:33:10 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4535.192.168.100.2.1102527190.squirrel@192.168.100.2> ...so? What's the mod? > > > My crimper is from Home depot, but I upgraded it a bit.... It's far > better than ANYTHING out there... I should really put my Crimper mod > up on the Internet so others can benefit.... > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Wed Dec 8 11:24:52 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> Message-ID: <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> >>-- >>Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > > > With a sig like that, how can anyone take you seriously? Matthew's issues do not usually stop at his signature. With his condescending pompous attitude, I don't understand how anyone can take him seriously either. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Dec 8 12:15:34 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <002201c4dd31$3b8897c0$6501a8c0@P2500> References: <002201c4dd31$3b8897c0$6501a8c0@P2500> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Geoffrey R. Thompson wrote: > >> To clarify, it's not putty preventing you from accessing the box, it's >> something on your box itself most likely. > > - Yep - I think so, too - just don't know what - yet. :) Did you use the -p option in useradd (or adduser) to assign the password? If so, you may not have realized that you must supply the encrypted form of the password with that command. Could that be the problem? Can you 'su' to the user account from another non-root user account? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Dec 8 12:18:52 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208163300.GJ2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> <20041208163300.GJ2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20041208181852.GA16252@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:33:00AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:28:32AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:37:46PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > [snip] > > > A lot of people who turn off remote root also setup sudo so they don't > > > have to type the root password, making it moot to begin with. > > > > That's the whole point of sudo--you type your own password, so you don't > > have to know the root pw. > > That was my point, you haven't protected root access. Who, me? Sure I have. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Wed Dec 8 12:28:21 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ifmember.exe w/ samba 3.0? In-Reply-To: <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <200412081828.iB8ISL2m029280@mac.com> Has anyone used microsoft's ifmember.exe util w/ Samba and a netlogon script? I've gotten it working well but it seems to only detect the users primary group. Is that normal behaviour or is it possible to detect all groups a user belongs to? Here is a snip from my logon.bat file.. ifmember api-rm-safety if not errorlevel 1 goto user net use S: \\risk-main\safe-man :user TIA, Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:42 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cross-over On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:38:20AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:45:28PM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:08:49 -0600 (CST) "Garrett Krueger" > > wrote: > > > > > You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. > > > Just > > > cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. > > > > Definately - Home Depot will have both crimper and ends (though > > radio shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: > > Microcenter has more and cheaper options. When I was shopping for one > I was disappointed by the selection at Home Depot and Radio Shack. I > think I ended up getting one at Microcenter for $10 ($20 model 1/2 off). > > Nate You bought the plastic crimper, didn't you? Home Depot has an Ideal brand crimper that's about as good as you're going to get unless you buy a die set crimper. $39.97, www.homedepot.com, punch in 302489 into the upper right corner search box. Microcenter, cheap, and quality do not go together. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 13:22:08 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208181852.GA16252@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> <20041208163300.GJ2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208181852.GA16252@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a04120811223b255d36@mail.gmail.com> This is what I use to add a user to a RH box: #useradd -c "User Name" -d /home/dir -e YYYY-MM-DD -g group -m -s shell -u uid# login Then I set the users password. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Dec 8 13:39:17 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208163705.GK2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <16823.6655.489729.580773@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208163705.GK2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <16823.22629.972450.850008@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew S Hallacy writes: Matthew> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:13:03AM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >> >> Well, if I'm smoking crack, I'm not the only one. From "Securing and >> Optimizing Linux: RedHat Edition -A Hands on Guide": >> >> >> PermitRootLogin no >> >> The option PermitRootLogin specifies whether root can log in using >> ssh. Never say yes to this option. >> Matthew> People are retarded, See below. >> Matthew> A bug in ssh isn't going to magicly say 'oh, but they Matthew> have allowrootlogin turned off, i guess i won't be Matthew> vulnerable today!' >> >> Huh? Well here's at least one reason: all those bots that try >> repeatedly to do root login over ssh aren't going to get anywhere... >> >> The internet storm center reports endemic ssh scans out in the wild. >> anything I can do to make this harder for them (including a little >> crack) is fine with me... Matthew> They're using dictionary attacks, if you're stupid enough Matthew> to use a dictionary password (you know, when passwd says Matthew> THIS IS A BAD PASSWORD) then you deserve to be rooted, Matthew> exploited, shot in the head, etc. Those same ssh scanners Matthew> are also trying 'test' 'guest' 'toor' and a few other Matthew> common account names Matthew> Relying on the obscurity of your usernames is not Matthew> sufficient, stop picking weak passwords, filter access Matthew> from hosts that aren't supposed to be loggin in, use Matthew> RSA/DSA keys, and it's a non-issue. (I think I mentioned Matthew> this in a previous email) Your perception of the tradeoff here seems way off mine. My perception of this precaution: 1. Payoff: somewhat limited, but non-zero a. if you get access as a user, you don't automatically get root. b. stupid bots targeting only root get absolutely nowhere. 2. Cost: absolutely zero for me (Mandrake ships with enableRootLogin = no), possibly 1 second's work for someone who has a stock sshd coming out of openBSD, where it defaults to "yes". Net sum => positive. Honestly, I can't understand why this arouses this response in you. Not only do you claim it's not worth doing, you seem to be actively ENRAGED by this. Take a chill pill, dude. Or go worry about unpatched Windows boxes, or something that's reasonably significant. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Dec 8 14:17:11 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041208201710.GA12083@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004), John Meier was madly tapping out: > > >Home Depot has an Ideal brand > > crimper > > So if the original poster needs, I have the above mentioned crimper, > wire and the plug ends - and I'm in bloomington - home all day You > could test it out before you buy and make a cross-over!! > > My crimper is from Home depot, but I upgraded it a bit.... It's far > better than ANYTHING out there... I should really put my Crimper mod > up on the Internet so others can benefit.... color me more than a little curious as to your mod. i've been using what i consider to be the best crimper ever [1] for going on 6 or so years now. i've crimped probably thousands of cable ends, definitely several hundred, with mine and i've only broken one die. { snipped - misc .signatures } references ---------- http://www.milestek.com/shop/product.asp?id=40%2020031&cid=710&kwd=MTTTLCTMOD&l=516&p=Tools+%26+Testers -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 14:51:08 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208201710.GA12083@botwerks.org> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> <20041208201710.GA12083@botwerks.org> Message-ID: I just have to chime in with a bump for the Ideal ($40 Home Depot) crimper. After using first a cheap plastic pos and then a slightly-less-pos generic brand metal crimper, I am convinced that I have the best crimper tool money can buy. It is not that the other tools did not work. It is that they did not work well and would often fail to get all of the pins pushed all the way down. On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:17:11 -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004), > John Meier was madly tapping out: > > > > > > >Home Depot has an Ideal brand > > > crimper > > > > So if the original poster needs, I have the above mentioned crimper, > > wire and the plug ends - and I'm in bloomington - home all day You > > could test it out before you buy and make a cross-over!! > > > > My crimper is from Home depot, but I upgraded it a bit.... It's far > > better than ANYTHING out there... I should really put my Crimper mod > > up on the Internet so others can benefit.... > > color me more than a little curious as to your mod. i've been using > what i consider to be the best crimper ever [1] for going on 6 or so > years now. i've crimped probably thousands of cable ends, definitely > several hundred, with mine and i've only broken one die. > > { snipped - misc .signatures } > > references > ---------- > http://www.milestek.com/shop/product.asp?id=40%2020031&cid=710&kwd=MTTTLCTMOD&l=516&p=Tools+%26+Testers > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at neigebauer.com Wed Dec 8 15:10:25 2004 From: tclug at neigebauer.com (Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> <20041208201710.GA12083@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <41B76DC1.1090603@neigebauer.com> I went with a cheap one and regret it. Half the time the connections fail wasting my time and a connector. Loren H. Burlingame wrote: >I just have to chime in with a bump for the Ideal ($40 Home Depot) >crimper. After using first a cheap plastic pos and then a >slightly-less-pos generic brand metal crimper, I am convinced that I >have the best crimper tool money can buy. > >It is not that the other tools did not work. It is that they did not >work well and would often fail to get all of the pins pushed all the >way down. > > >On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:17:11 -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > > >>when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004), >> John Meier was madly tapping out: >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Home Depot has an Ideal brand >>>>crimper >>>> >>>> >>>So if the original poster needs, I have the above mentioned crimper, >>>wire and the plug ends - and I'm in bloomington - home all day You >>>could test it out before you buy and make a cross-over!! >>> >>>My crimper is from Home depot, but I upgraded it a bit.... It's far >>>better than ANYTHING out there... I should really put my Crimper mod >>>up on the Internet so others can benefit.... >>> >>> >>color me more than a little curious as to your mod. i've been using >>what i consider to be the best crimper ever [1] for going on 6 or so >>years now. i've crimped probably thousands of cable ends, definitely >>several hundred, with mine and i've only broken one die. >> >>{ snipped - misc .signatures } >> >>references >>---------- >>http://www.milestek.com/shop/product.asp?id=40%2020031&cid=710&kwd=MTTTLCTMOD&l=516&p=Tools+%26+Testers >> >>-- >>steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org >>PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:59:25 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: OT Security - (WAS: OT [TCLUG] Somewhat Humerous CoLo Adventure In-Reply-To: <41B3564B.30303@visi.com> References: <1102003235.41af3c231f9c0@my.visi.com> <20041203020220.GB7329@momentum.poptix.net> <1102087974.41b08726bfea5@joshwelch.com> <1102092346.41b0983a11943@my.visi.com> <67f3084a04120320042f61ba76@mail.gmail.com> <41B3564B.30303@visi.com> Message-ID: Now I have to share... Back in September 03... Thanks to a span of nice weather, Kremer and I have left our patio door open instead of running the AC full blast. We lived on the ground floor. One Saturday night, we realized that one of our stereo speakers, which sits besides the patio door...is missing! So sometime, somebody came in, grabbed a speaker, and left. And out of the thousands of dollars worth of easy to grab electronic equipment in that room, they choose a 1980's vintage stereo speaker that Kremer paid $5 for. They choose a $5 speaker, when there was a laptop in plain view, as was my brand new wireless access point, our entire DVD collection... $5 speaker. Dumb criminals... On a related note: Back in 2001 I locked my keys in my new car. Ford gave me free roadside assistance for X years, so I called them and they sent out a guy.The guy looks at the car, gets out two wedges and a heavy gauge steel rod, taps the wedges into the window, drops the rod in, and hit's the power door locks. Didn't take him more than 60 seconds. Last night, my girlfriend locked her keys in her car. She has AAA, called them, they send a guy. What we learned was that her power door locks are much more secure than mine. The guy ended up wedgeing open the passenger door enough that he could snag the keys out of the ignition with his wire, then pull the key chain out of the crack enough to hit the unlock button on the fob. 15-20 minutes. Door locks are all well and good, but if someone really wants to grab whatever it is on your front seat, they're not going to bother picking locks. Smash the window, grab, and go. Locks on your house or car are only a stop agnist the easyiest possible entry...turning the freaking knob. Security systems aren't a bad idea, but they have their own weaknesses unless you are going to baracade yourself in your bed room every night. And that's great, until you get the rare criminal that's really off his nut and has no issues coming into your bedroom... The best security system I know of man comes standard with 4 legs, fur, and a bark. :) > my folks no longer leave the keys in their vehicles and do > lock the house if they leave overnight. I know people who do leave the keys in their unlocked vehicle sitting on the driveway. If I could do it without setting off two golden labs, I would happily drive the hour to the location and repark the car a block or two down the street. (Nice rural country streets....) I've visten my cousins in farming country. Usually it's not the neighbors you have to worry about, it's what their teenage kids will do when they get drunk. What the hell else is there to do when you're surrounded by corn fields? Get drunk, hop in the bed of a pickup, and shoot anything that moves...or doesn't move...or that you find sitting in a backlot...or....whatever. You get the idea. > Locks are not solutions, nor are firewalls or any other security precautions. > They are simply that, precautions. More than precautions. They do stop the guy who doesn't have a prybar and isn't willing to break the window. ;) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:52:04 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <41B76DC1.1090603@neigebauer.com> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <65293fcc041208085826ea253f@mail.gmail.com> <20041208201710.GA12083@botwerks.org> <41B76DC1.1090603@neigebauer.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a04120816523b5cbfcd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:10:25 -0600, Ben wrote: > I went with a cheap one and regret it. > > Half the time the connections fail wasting my time and a connector. I think I bought mine from Radio Shack. It's metal, with red vinyl coated handles. Does crimping and cutting of RJ11 and RJ45. I think I paid $25 for it. Can't find it on their site anymore. No problems really. I had one or two failed crimps because I either didn't push the wires in far enough, they came out some, or I didn't line the ends up right in the crimper (hard to get them off-center). -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed Dec 8 19:00:07 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over Message-ID: <200412090100075285ced0fa@mail.smumn.edu> Huh...! Well I was in a stranded situation. I got help from a very generous TCLUG user. I do need to get some tools for cabling, although I never do much of it anyways. I don't wanna go cheap cause I am poor... Dave _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed Dec 8 19:02:23 2004 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04@smumn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over Message-ID: <200412090102235085ced113@mail.smumn.edu> I hate MicroCenter..... >> shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: > >Microcenter has more and cheaper options. When I was shopping for one I >was disappointed by the selection at Home Depot and Radio Shack. I >think I ended up getting one at Microcenter for $10 ($20 model 1/2 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 21:02:46 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> Message-ID: <20041209030246.GM2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:06:30AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > Nope, it's metal. Works great and didn't drain my wallet. If you can't afford $40 for a crimper that will last a lifetime you can't afford the rj45 ends. > > > $39.97, www.homedepot.com, punch in 302489 into the upper right corner > > search box. > > Since I'm using this more as a hobby tool and not day-to-day work, I > don't see the sense in spending the Home Depot price. If you have money > to burn and an ego to feed, go right ahead. Work has their own crimpers, this is for home use, once your cheap crimper breaks and you have to purchase another you've just exceeded the cost of the quality crimper. > > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > > With a sig like that, how can anyone take you seriously? It's a stab at the people who list certs in their sigs as if certs mean anything. I don't particularly care if people on this list take me seriously or not, I have no political or business agenda that they need to take me seriously for. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim.carter at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 21:28:17 2004 From: jim.carter at gmail.com (Jim Carter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot problems with debian Message-ID: <745b585e041208192867ec9e90@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, I'm about to move to the twin cities area from Jackson, MS in 1.5 weeks. I like Linux, although I'm a .NET/SQL guy. I've got a Debian Woody box that is giving me problems. I removed it from my office LAN, and now I can't login to it. I try to login and it's very slow and gives a "Login not completed in 60 seconds" error and kicks me back out. Any tips? I've tried "linux single" at the LILO prompt and I'm still having no luck. Is there a way to boot without running any inits? Jim Carter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim.carter at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 21:34:29 2004 From: jim.carter at gmail.com (Jim Carter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slow boot Message-ID: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com> Okay, linux single worked pretty well, but every command I type on the box is taking literally MINUTES to run. Awaiting the results of a "ps -aux" Anyone encountered something like this before? Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 8 21:51:53 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:24:52AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > Matthew's issues do not usually stop at his signature. With his > condescending pompous attitude, I don't understand how anyone can take > him seriously either. I don't see how anyone takes this list seriously. I'm condescending to people who blindly regurgitate anything they find on the internet then are too lazy/ignorant to google the answers to their questions. The majority of the traffic here is: <> NEW TCLUG CLASSIFIED: SELLING 10 YEAR OLD EQUIPMENT FOR 10X ITS VALUE NEW TCLUG CLASSIFIED: SEEKING BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT FOR 10% ITS VALUE How do I do this thing that is clearly documented in the manual, google, README AND installation instructions?! Hi, I know this list is about linux, but how do I fix this windows problem? HEY LOOK WHAT IS ON SLASHDOT TODAY, BECAUSE I KNOW NONE OF YOU OWN A WEB BROWSER On rare occasions, real content hits the list. Unfortunately it degrades into a thread such as this one where people start bickering over X being better than Y, or personal attacks. Congratulations. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 8 22:10:13 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slow boot In-Reply-To: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041209041013.GA18906@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Dec 8 22:15:23 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: >If you really want to secure your system: > >1) stop using passwords entirely (use RSA/DSA keys) >2) filter ssh access to only known hosts (where possible) >3) Disable protocol 1 backwards compatibility >4) Disable authentication methods that you do not use, kerberos, rhosts, etc. >5) keep your sshd up to date You forgot: 6) Disable remote root login. 7) Disable sudo. 8) There are more, but I've said enough already. :) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Dec 8 22:36:48 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slow boot In-Reply-To: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com>; from jim.carter@gmail.com on Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:34:29PM -0600 References: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041208223648.A2528@thinkunix.net> Jim Carter wrote: > Okay, linux single worked pretty well, but every command I type on the > box is taking literally MINUTES to run. > > Awaiting the results of a "ps -aux" > > Anyone encountered something like this before? Check your DNS servers, eg, what's in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts. Were you using NIS or LDAP or another service to authenticate against when on the LAN? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim.carter at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 00:38:12 2004 From: jim.carter at gmail.com (Jim Carter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slow boot In-Reply-To: <20041208223648.A2528@thinkunix.net> References: <745b585e04120819346ad4e5b5@mail.gmail.com> <20041208223648.A2528@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <745b585e0412082238736f22a7@mail.gmail.com> I had a multitude of problems on the box, but cleaning these files (and removing all the software i'm not using any longer, like postfix/etc) fixed it right up. Jim On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:36:48 -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Jim Carter wrote: > > > > Okay, linux single worked pretty well, but every command I type on the > > box is taking literally MINUTES to run. > > > > Awaiting the results of a "ps -aux" > > > > Anyone encountered something like this before? > > Check your DNS servers, eg, what's in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts. > Were you using NIS or LDAP or another service to authenticate against > when on the LAN? > -- > scot > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Dec 9 07:45:33 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:15:23PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > > >If you really want to secure your system: > > > >1) stop using passwords entirely (use RSA/DSA keys) > >2) filter ssh access to only known hosts (where possible) > >3) Disable protocol 1 backwards compatibility > >4) Disable authentication methods that you do not use, kerberos, rhosts, etc. > >5) keep your sshd up to date > > You forgot: > > 6) Disable remote root login. > 7) Disable sudo. > 8) There are more, but I've said enough already. :) You forgot: 9) unplug network cable 10) unplug power cable -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Thu Dec 9 09:21:24 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hde, hdf hang at boot with htp370a Message-ID: <41B86D74.7090305@cdf123.net> Hey gang, I could sure use some help on this one... I'm adding two 160G drives to my server pc. Since the onboard IDE interface is full, I bought a HPT370A IDE controller. Compiled the drivers into the kernel (2.6.9) and it seems to detect it just fine. However when I added the hard drives to the controller, the bootup sequence hangs after detecting the ide interface. After a couple of hours of playing around I got the system to boot by adding these parameters to /boot/grub/menu.lst: hde=16383,16,63 hde=noprobe hdf=16383,16,63 hdf=noprobe Now the server will boot, but the drives can't be accessed. Here's the IDE lines from /var/log/dmesg: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH5: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 ICH5: chipset revision 2 ICH5: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA Probing IDE interface ide0... hda: WDC WD600BB-00CAA1, ATA DISK drive hdb: ST380013A, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Probing IDE interface ide1... hdc: ST3160023A, ATA DISK drive hdd: Hewlett-Packard DVD Writer 200, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 HPT370A: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:03:0c.0 HPT370A: chipset revision 4 HPT37X: using 33MHz PCI clock HPT370A: 100% native mode on irq 20 ide2: BM-DMA at 0xa400-0xa407, BIOS settings: hde:DMA, hdf:DMA ide3: BM-DMA at 0xa408-0xa40f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio Probing IDE interface ide2... ide2 at 0x9400-0x9407,0x9802 on irq 20 Probing IDE interface ide3... Probing IDE interface ide3... Probing IDE interface ide4... ide4: Wait for ready failed before probe ! Probing IDE interface ide5... ide5: Wait for ready failed before probe ! hda: max request size: 128KiB hda: 117231408 sectors (60022 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100) hda: cache flushes not supported hda: hda1 hda2 hdb: max request size: 1024KiB hdb: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) hdb: cache flushes supported hdb: hdb1 hdb2 < hdb5 hdb6 hdb7 hdb8 hdb9 hdb10 hdb11 > hdb3 hdc: max request size: 1024KiB hdc: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(100) hdc: cache flushes supported hdc: hdc1 hdd: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) I was reading over the /usr/src/linux-2.6.9/Documentation/ide.txt file, and this jumped out at me: The standard port, and irq values are these: ide0=0x1f0,0x3f6,14 ide1=0x170,0x376,15 ide2=0x1e8,0x3ee,11 ide3=0x168,0x36e,10 This doesn't match what the kernel is reporting for my setup, so when I get home tonight I'll probably try a ide2=0x9400,0x9802,20 ide3=noprobe but I'm running out of ideas. The kernel driver says: "This driver requires dynamic tuning of the chipset during the ide-probe at boot." Not sure exactly what this means, or what it wants. But, thats why I'm passing everything possible to the kernel during boot. Has anyone worked with this card before, or have any idea on what options I can try? Thanks all Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Dec 9 09:33:07 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20041209153307.GF96883@therub.org> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:51:53PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:24:52AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > > Matthew's issues do not usually stop at his signature. With his > > condescending pompous attitude, I don't understand how anyone can take > > him seriously either. > > I don't see how anyone takes this list seriously. I'm condescending to > people who blindly regurgitate anything they find on the internet then are > too lazy/ignorant to google the answers to their questions. > > The majority of the traffic here is: > > <> > > NEW TCLUG CLASSIFIED: SELLING 10 YEAR OLD EQUIPMENT FOR 10X ITS VALUE > > NEW TCLUG CLASSIFIED: SEEKING BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT FOR 10% ITS VALUE > > How do I do this thing that is clearly documented in the manual, google, > README AND installation instructions?! > > Hi, I know this list is about linux, but how do I fix this windows problem? > > HEY LOOK WHAT IS ON SLASHDOT TODAY, BECAUSE I KNOW NONE OF YOU OWN A WEB > BROWSER > > > > On rare occasions, real content hits the list. Unfortunately it degrades > into a thread such as this one where people start bickering over X being > better than Y, or personal attacks. Congratulations. I have been a member of this list for a few years, and have seen many people come and go. I have noticed a lot of new names lately, and I just want the new people in particular to know that this guy speaks only for himself. Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 9 11:56:24 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> Anything that postpones a successful attack during the time between >> discovery of the exploit and application of the patch will be helpful. >> Is this way of thinking all wrong? I am happy to be corrected because >> I am not a computer expert. > > This is like keeping your valuables in your basement, in the off chance > that an airplane happens to crash into the second floor of your house. That's a rather extreme claim. You do know that, right? I see that there are two sides to this debate. Clearly, the authors of SSHd put PermitRootLogin in there for a reason. They are not idiots. For now, I'm keeping PermitRootLogin set to 'no.' There is no reason for me to change it. I am almost always logged onto my normal user account and I have no need to login as root. It is advisable to be logged in usually as a user and to become root when necessary. Typing a password is really not much of a chore - it's only 8 characters and I have it memorized! To use Matthew's example, I already live in my basement so I don't need to go there to access my valuables. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 9 12:04:05 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:15:23PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: >> "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: >> >>> If you really want to secure your system: >>> >>> 1) stop using passwords entirely (use RSA/DSA keys) >>> 2) filter ssh access to only known hosts (where possible) >>> 3) Disable protocol 1 backwards compatibility >>> 4) Disable authentication methods that you do not use, kerberos, rhosts, etc. >>> 5) keep your sshd up to date >> >> You forgot: >> >> 6) Disable remote root login. >> 7) Disable sudo. >> 8) There are more, but I've said enough already. :) > > You forgot: > > 9) unplug network cable > 10) unplug power cable Then smash the HDD to bits with a sledgehammer. But seriously, we are talking about how to secure a networked computer. Numbers 1-7 might all add something to the security of the networked machine. I think it is important to deny access to collections of machines that are not legitimate clients. This is why I deny domains for all other continents. The current controversy has been about how much is added by 6. Something is added (maybe not a lot), but the cost in terms of inconvenience will vary from user to user. For me, it is fine with PermitRootLogin set to 'no,' so I'm keeping it. If it is a hassle for someone else, he should set it to 'yes' because he isn't getting a lot of security out of his 'no' setting. I'll send another message about sudo. There is no need to accuse people of "smoking crack" or of being retarded. Think about it - this is a legitimate cost/benefit question. Why get emotional about it? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 9 12:07:18 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo security (was "Newbie - SSH/Putty Question") In-Reply-To: <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:15:23PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > You forgot: > > 6) Disable remote root login. > 7) Disable sudo. > 8) There are more, but I've said enough already. :) How does sudo hurt security? Is it because it can allow a user to become root without a password? That does seem like a bad idea for several reasons that I will not go into. My question: Is it possible to configure sudo so that a password is always required? That would be my preferred way of using it. It would be best for me if different users could have different passwords for accessing root permissions. Does sudo allow that? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:38:47 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo security (was "Newbie - SSH/Putty Question") In-Reply-To: References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <914f813c04120910383e7dd40e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:07:18 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > How does sudo hurt security? Is it because it can allow a user to become > root without a password? That does seem like a bad idea for several > reasons that I will not go into. My question: Is it possible to > configure sudo so that a password is always required? That would be my > preferred way of using it. It would be best for me if different users > could have different passwords for accessing root permissions. Does sudo > allow that? Yes. When a user does something via sudo, it operates in one of several ways: first, it can prompt for the user's password every time sudo is invoked; second, it can prompt for the user's password every time unless it's been prompted in X minutes previously (default is 5 minutes, IIRC); third, it can just let the command run, without prompting for any password. In any case, if prompted, sudo is asking for the invoker's password, never the root password. # visudo or $ sudo visudo Combined with ? man visudo WRT to locking sudo down, I'd give you a better answer, but I myself haven't delved into using the language used in /etc/sudoers. But from the security side of things, root should not be allowed to run sudo, else you can chain sudo commands to get a root shell (a la 'sudo sudo /bin/bash'). You can (and should) also disable su from execution, else you can just 'sudo su'. I'm sure there's much more, and I know enough to say you can get more granular. Denying 'sudo passwd' would be a good one to deny, as well... Hope some of this helps. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:44:45 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo security (was "Newbie - SSH/Putty Question") In-Reply-To: References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a04120910447450d4e4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:07:18 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:15:23PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > > > You forgot: > > > > 6) Disable remote root login. > > 7) Disable sudo. > > 8) There are more, but I've said enough already. :) > > How does sudo hurt security? Is it because it can allow a user to become > root without a password? That does seem like a bad idea for several > reasons that I will not go into. My question: Is it possible to > configure sudo so that a password is always required? That would be my > preferred way of using it. It would be best for me if different users > could have different passwords for accessing root permissions. Does sudo > allow that? > > Mike Yes, sudo allows use of a person needing to supply their password each time (actually I think it's within 5 minutes or the like) it is used. Also, you can setup different groups with different levels authority. You can specify what you want them to run (most secure/safe), or specify what they can't run (least secure/safe). Do some googling, you'll find lots of examples. Also, read the various sudo documentation and sudoers example file. One thing to keep in mind is that if you block what they can't do, you have to ensure that your pathing is correct. Otherwise, it gives them wide open access. Also, if you allow them "sudo bash" or other shells, you have just given them root access without having to know root's password. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Dec 9 13:00:44 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo security (was "Newbie - SSH/Putty Question") In-Reply-To: <914f813c04120910383e7dd40e@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> <914f813c04120910383e7dd40e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041209190044.GL96883@therub.org> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 12:38:47PM -0600, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > # visudo > or > $ sudo visudo > > Combined with > ? man visudo > > WRT to locking sudo down, I'd give you a better answer, but I myself > haven't delved into using the language used in /etc/sudoers. But from > the security side of things, root should not be allowed to run sudo, > else you can chain sudo commands to get a root shell (a la 'sudo sudo > /bin/bash'). You can (and should) also disable su from execution, else > you can just 'sudo su'. I'm sure there's much more, and I know enough > to say you can get more granular. Denying 'sudo passwd' would be a > good one to deny, as well... Well, you're partially right :) In sudoers, you can give a user all root access, or access to a list of applications, or use deny to give access to everything except for certain apps. The deny route doesn't work - becasue it's trivial to get around. So, you end up making a list of apps that a user (or group of users) can use. Umm, you have to be very careful what you give your users access to. For instance, if users have access to vi, they can easily run shell commands. Sudo has it's place, but it can hurt your security as much as it can help if you're not extremely careful. Especially since now all of the sudden user passwords (which are never trustworthy), have root access! I have found good uses for it where people need root for something, being able to just give them access to one thing is nice. Often i'll give sudo access to a short wrapper script that'll do a very specific task. HTH, dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Thu Dec 9 13:43:16 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo security (was "Newbie - SSH/Putty Question") In-Reply-To: References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1102621396.41b8aad49dd42@joshwelch.com> Quoting Mike Miller : > How does sudo hurt security? Is it because it can allow a user to become > root without a password? That does seem like a bad idea for several > reasons that I will not go into. My question: Is it possible to > configure sudo so that a password is always required? That would be my > preferred way of using it. It would be best for me if different users > could have different passwords for accessing root permissions. Does sudo > allow that? > > Mike > If properly configured sudo will request the user to re-enter their own password in order to gain the root privelege. Additionally, using the sudoer file one can limit users to being able to use sudo only for specific commands. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Thu Dec 9 09:00:36 2004 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nicholas thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041209153307.GF96883@therub.org> References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041209153307.GF96883@therub.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:33:07 -0600, Dan Rue wrote: >> On rare occasions, real content hits the list. Unfortunately it degrades >> into a thread such as this one where people start bickering over X being >> better than Y, or personal attacks. Congratulations. > > I have been a member of this list for a few years, and have seen many > people come and go. I have noticed a lot of new names lately, and I > just want the new people in particular to know that this guy speaks only > for himself. > > Dan > Dan, I was at the first TCLUG meeting ever, at the mall of america years back, and I remember fondly writing down our names and email on a napkin for attendance record or whatever. I haven't been to an actual meeting in years, but I have quiety monitored the list and I must agree with you, I think this list (and TCLUG itself) is a great thing and agree with you that he speaks only for himself. Anyway, my two cents. Nick Thompson ---------------------------- nick thompson. all unix all the time. ---------------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 9 15:06:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041209153307.GF96883@therub.org> Message-ID: <1102626371.41b8be4321d96@my.visi.com> I agree with Dan and Nick, I haven't been around as long as you guys but I feel the list serves the community at large. Because the list serves "at large"; every level of Linux user is welcome. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is what the list is about, helping without regard to experience. If the list were for Expert/Professional System Administrator level with 20 or more years UNIX in their back pocket; then I could understand the sense of angst one might feel about simple questions. This is not the case so all questions are welcome. Any question a person asks should be welcome without ridicule. The point I intend to make is that ?people? are asking the question ?people? should be treated with respect no matter how one feels about it personally. To respond in a jaded abusive way is not the way to get the results one may be looking for. Talk to the moderator if you feel something shouldn?t be on the list. Sam. Quoting nicholas thompson : > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:33:07 -0600, Dan Rue wrote: > > >> On rare occasions, real content hits the list. Unfortunately it degrades > >> into a thread such as this one where people start bickering over X being > >> better than Y, or personal attacks. Congratulations. > > > > I have been a member of this list for a few years, and have seen many > > people come and go. I have noticed a lot of new names lately, and I > > just want the new people in particular to know that this guy speaks only > > for himself. > > > > Dan > > > > Dan, > I was at the first TCLUG meeting ever, at the mall of america years back, > and I remember fondly writing down our names and email on a napkin for > attendance record or whatever. I haven't been to an actual meeting in > years, but I have quiety monitored the list and I must agree with you, I > think this list (and TCLUG itself) is a great thing and agree with you > that he speaks only for himself. Anyway, my two cents. > > Nick Thompson > > > ---------------------------- > nick thompson. > > all unix all the time. > ---------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Dec 9 15:17:09 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412092117.iB9LH9E27589@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Dell Precision 610 Dell Precision 610 (Tower) Dual Xeon 450Mhz 1M cpus 3x18 Gb, 10k rpm seagate ultra2 scsi drives 1Gb ECC pc133 420 watt power supply cdrom/floppy 10/100 NIC $225 obo Used as www/mail/mysql server for several years w/ 100% stability. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:25:41 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" Message-ID: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Hi all - This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe there's a better way ? thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Thu Dec 9 15:50:27 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: References: <200412072325192385ce86f8@mail.smumn.edu> <65275.12.47.38.130.1102464529.squirrel@12.47.38.130> <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> <20041208153820.GB7845@refried.org> <20041208164149.GL2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208170629.GC7845@refried.org> <41B738E4.2050503@tc-tech.com> <20041209035153.GN2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041209153307.GF96883@therub.org> Message-ID: <10690.12.47.38.130.1102629027.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Blending two messages here, I would concur! I've been on the list now a year and a half (maybe two years). While there IS some merit to his cynical post, it is important for all people to feel free to post any questions without fear of "appearing naive." I teach college level computer networking meaning that I see "noobs" all of the time. What is painfully obvious to me (and, indeed, to most all experienced network admins), is cryptic and obscure to many first timers -- thus the need for this list. With that note, thanks to all who have helped me in the past on troublesome configurations! Garrett > Dan, > I was at the first TCLUG meeting ever, at the mall of america years > back, > and I remember fondly writing down our names and email on a napkin for attendance record or whatever. I haven't been to an actual meeting in years, but I have quiety monitored the list and I must agree with you, I think this list (and TCLUG itself) is a great thing and agree with you that he speaks only for himself. Anyway, my two cents. > > Nick Thompson > > > ---------------------------- > nick thompson. > > all unix all the time. > ---------------------------- > > I agree with Dan and Nick, I haven't been around as long as you guys but I feel > the list serves the community at large. Because the list serves "at large"; > every level of Linux user is welcome. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is what > the list is about, helping without regard to experience. > If the list were for Expert/Professional System Administrator level with 20 or > more years UNIX in their back pocket; then I could understand the sense of > angst one might feel about simple questions. This is not the case so all questions are welcome. > Any question a person asks should be welcome without ridicule. The point I > intend to make is that ?people? are asking the question ?people? should be > treated with respect no matter how one feels about it personally. > To respond in a jaded abusive way is not the way to get the results one may be > looking for. Talk to the moderator if you feel something shouldn?t be on the > list. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:41:28 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:25:41 -0600, John Meier wrote: > Hi all - > > This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only > send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text > before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. > > the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I > have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to > text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux > servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it > in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email > admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe > there's a better way ? Interesting thought. With postfix, you could write a content_filter which does your conversion, then just use it as a relay after that. All a content_filter is to postfix, is something that speaks smtp. Postfix accepts the message, sends it to the content filter, then the content filter sends it back to postfix on another port, and postfix then sends it. I dont know of any such content_filter's that exist right now. Does the message send both html and plaintext? If that is the case, you can use sendmail and mimedefang to just strip the html off, and then relay. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 9 15:24:40 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Something like: lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt ? On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > Hi all - > > This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only > send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text > before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. > > the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I > have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to > text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux > servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it > in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email > admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe > there's a better way ? > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:45:53 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Hummmm... It's have to be automated somehow - I was (still am) hoping I'll find some setting on the exchange server that coverts the mail.... I'm googling away on that front, but as a back up I thought maybe I could send it to some SMTP server and it could filter convert, then send it on..... On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:24:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > Something like: > > lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt > > ? > > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > > > Hi all - > > > > This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only > > send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text > > before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. > > > > the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I > > have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to > > text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux > > servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it > > in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email > > admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe > > there's a better way ? > > > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:47:54 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc04120913473f4ddaa4@mail.gmail.com> > Interesting thought. With postfix, you could write a content_filter > which does your conversion, then just use it as a relay after that. yeah - sounds about right. thanks for the idea.... I'll check out content filters/postfix.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Dec 9 15:46:27 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B8C7B3.20607@tc-tech.com> > Does the message send both html and plaintext? If that is the case, > you can use sendmail and mimedefang to just strip the html off, and > then relay. Along the same lines, you could write a php script to check a particular mailbox, pull out the text part of the mime message, and pop that back into a new mail() with just the text portion as the body. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Thu Dec 9 15:50:18 2004 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412092117.iB9LH9E27589@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200412092117.iB9LH9E27589@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200412091550.18355.scheides@iexposure.com> Yea, give me a call @ the number I didn't list! Doh! 612.850.1407 Thx, -c On Thursday 09 December 2004 03:17 pm, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Dell Precision 610 > > Dell Precision 610 (Tower) > Dual Xeon 450Mhz 1M cpus > 3x18 Gb, 10k rpm seagate ultra2 scsi drives > 1Gb ECC pc133 > 420 watt power supply > cdrom/floppy > 10/100 NIC > $225 obo > > Used as www/mail/mysql server for several years w/ 100% stability. > > Give me a ring if you want it, or want to check it out. > > -scheides > > Seller Email address: cscheidecker at iexposure dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 9 15:46:02 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120913538036180@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc04120913538036180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I meant, if you were going to shove it through a Linux box first, what MTA (assuming you already had a machine in mind for this...) I would be surprised if Exchange could do anything like this. Usually MS likes to convert stuff *TO* HTML... On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > Microsoft exchange :( I'm googling for an Exchange way to do this, > but poised to use anything else as a backup plan. > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:38:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: >> What MTA? If it's Sendmail, you can write a ruleset to push that mail >> through lynx before delivery. I can provide some assistance if needed, as >> I've done this before. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: >> >>> Hummmm... >>> >>> It's have to be automated somehow - I was (still am) hoping I'll find >>> some setting on the exchange server that coverts the mail.... I'm >>> googling away on that front, but as a back up I thought maybe I could >>> send it to some SMTP server and it could filter convert, then send it >>> on..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:24:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: >>>> Something like: >>>> >>>> lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all - >>>>> >>>>> This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only >>>>> send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text >>>>> before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. >>>>> >>>>> the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I >>>>> have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to >>>>> text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux >>>>> servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it >>>>> in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email >>>>> admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe >>>>> there's a better way ? >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>>>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>>>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:53:02 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc04120913538036180@mail.gmail.com> Microsoft exchange :( I'm googling for an Exchange way to do this, but poised to use anything else as a backup plan. On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:38:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > What MTA? If it's Sendmail, you can write a ruleset to push that mail > through lynx before delivery. I can provide some assistance if needed, as > I've done this before. > > > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > > > Hummmm... > > > > It's have to be automated somehow - I was (still am) hoping I'll find > > some setting on the exchange server that coverts the mail.... I'm > > googling away on that front, but as a back up I thought maybe I could > > send it to some SMTP server and it could filter convert, then send it > > on..... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:24:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > >> Something like: > >> > >> lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all - > >>> > >>> This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only > >>> send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text > >>> before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. > >>> > >>> the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I > >>> have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to > >>> text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux > >>> servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it > >>> in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email > >>> admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe > >>> there's a better way ? > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > >>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > >>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Thu Dec 9 16:11:17 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the 'wild' In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25693.12.47.38.130.1102630277.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Could you write and run a script to strip off the tags? > Hi all - > > This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only > send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text > before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 9 15:38:40 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What MTA? If it's Sendmail, you can write a ruleset to push that mail through lynx before delivery. I can provide some assistance if needed, as I've done this before. On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: > Hummmm... > > It's have to be automated somehow - I was (still am) hoping I'll find > some setting on the exchange server that coverts the mail.... I'm > googling away on that front, but as a back up I thought maybe I could > send it to some SMTP server and it could filter convert, then send it > on..... > > > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:24:40 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: >> Something like: >> >> lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt >> >> ? >> >> >> >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, John Meier wrote: >> >>> Hi all - >>> >>> This is a shot in the dark - but I have an application that can only >>> send html emails and I need that email to be converted to plain text >>> before it gets off the LAN and out to the recipient. >>> >>> the official SMTP server it's going to is an exchange server and I >>> have no idea if it can convert an incoming html formatted email to >>> text, so I thought maybe I could pass it through one of the linux >>> servers I have access to and maybe a relay or something could take it >>> in, strip th html and then send it on. I'm pretty new on the email >>> admin scene, so I don't even know if this can be done... ? or maybe >>> there's a better way ? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Dec 9 15:56:44 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > Something like: > > lynx -dump < in.html > out.txt My first thought too, but I think he'll need to pull the html out of the mail and then put the header back on, right? I'm not sure how procmail, or whatever, does that kind of thing. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 9 16:01:41 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041209220141.GA1177@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 16:24:52 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] convering html emails to test before they get out into the "wild" In-Reply-To: <20041209220141.GA1177@wookimus.net> References: <65293fcc04120913253f38ad23@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041209134579ff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20041209220141.GA1177@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <65293fcc041209142475112db@mail.gmail.com> Wayyy cool - Off to buy a case of beer for our exchange admin... :) Thanks all for the ideas - I will probably use the sendmail lynx push if I can't get cooperation from exchange et al... This list rocks! :) On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:01:41 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > John Meier wrote: > > It's have to be automated somehow - I was (still am) hoping I'll find > > some setting on the exchange server that coverts the mail.... I'm > > googling away on that front, but as a back up I thought maybe I could > > send it to some SMTP server and it could filter convert, then send it > > on..... > > Just screw around with he Exchange server configuration tools. It's > there. I know it is (You hear high-pitched screeching noises emitting > from Chad's head as the rusty knowledge begins to break loose of the > long, purposefully neglected chambers). I don't recall which screen, > but the setting is there to convert everything to plain-text, or at > least to convert word docs to plain-text. Good luck. > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From olwe at cpinternet.com Thu Dec 9 19:42:39 2004 From: olwe at cpinternet.com (Olwe Melwasul) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie ? about device permissions In-Reply-To: <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> I've installed Fed3 and, logged in as a regular user, a few of the CD-ROM-dependent apps say I don't have permission. So everytime I start up the machine I do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdb" (actual device according to Hardware Browser) as root. That's step 1. Step 2 is to tell everything that uses my cd to use /dev/hdb instead of .../cdrom or .../dvd in settings. So my question is, how do I correct this situation, i.e., how do I tell Fed3 to let regular users use the CD, and how/where do I make the link between the raw device /dev/hdb and the virtual devices cdrom and dvd? Olwe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.oertel at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 19:46:33 2004 From: ryan.oertel at gmail.com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux Message-ID: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to put a new graphics card into my linux box for gaming. I've currently got an AMD Athlon 1.2GHz (ASUS MoBo) w/ 512M RAM and a ATI Radeon VE QY (according to lspci.) Games which should run nicely are choppy at best and unplayable at worst. They play the same under XP, too. So, I'm wondering what experiences the TCLUG community has had with linux and gaming with regards to video cards. Nvidia seems to provide the linux community with drivers and support. I'm looking for a video card which has a DVI output, but also looking to not break the bank with these $300 cards. I've found the "PNY GeForce FX 5700 LE Optima 128MB AGP Graphics Card" to be a nice middle ground and am wondering if anybody out there has any testimonials for me. Does the card perform? Was it easy to install the drivers, or will I have to recompile the whole OS? How about stability: does it lock up the system when put to the test? I've had bad luck with my existing card that certain GL modes will lock the system up hard (ctrl+alt+del doesn't even work.) Any help is appreciated. -Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 9 21:45:32 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> References: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B91BDC.5070802@visi.com> Video hmmmmm..... I'm running a Gforce 2ti and play COD, it's an old AGP card that was the best when it came out. It's not bad I play at 1280x1024 resolution. Tom's hardware may be of some assistance... Now I hope santa is good to me and brings me an AMD 64 (939) and all the goodies. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Thu Dec 9 22:48:57 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> References: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B92AB9.804@esox.us> Ryan Oertel wrote: >I'm looking to put a new graphics card into my linux box for gaming. >I've currently got an AMD Athlon 1.2GHz (ASUS MoBo) w/ 512M RAM and a >ATI Radeon VE QY (according to lspci.) Games which should run nicely >are choppy at best and unplayable at worst. They play the same under >XP, too. > >So, I'm wondering what experiences the TCLUG community has had with >linux and gaming with regards to video cards. Nvidia seems to provide >the linux community with drivers and support. I'm looking for a video >card which has a DVI output, but also looking to not break the bank >with these $300 cards. I've found the "PNY GeForce FX 5700 LE Optima >128MB AGP Graphics Card" to be a nice middle ground and am wondering >if anybody out there has any testimonials for me. Does the card >perform? Was it easy to install the drivers, or will I have to >recompile the whole OS? How about stability: does it lock up the >system when put to the test? I've had bad luck with my existing card >that certain GL modes will lock the system up hard (ctrl+alt+del >doesn't even work.) > >Any help is appreciated. > >-Ryan > DOOM 3 runs great on my NVIDIA FX 5600 in windows and Linux. The drivers are easy to install: emerge nvidia-glx edit xorg.conf and modules autoload to call the 'nvidia' driver/module. done. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Thu Dec 9 22:53:19 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie ? about device permissions In-Reply-To: <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> Message-ID: <20041210045319.GA8427@crito> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 07:42:39PM -0600, Olwe Melwasul wrote: > I've installed Fed3 and, logged in as a regular user, a few of the > CD-ROM-dependent apps say I don't have permission. So everytime I start > up the machine I do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdb" (actual device according to > Hardware Browser) as root. > [...] Don't have much experience with Fedora, but on Debian /dev/cdrom is a symbolic link to /dev/hdc (or whatever) and /dev/hdc is owned by the cdrom group. So by adding a user to the cdrom group you give them access to the device. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 10 00:34:43 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> Message-ID: Radio Shack is always a more expensive choice. Go to Menard's. They have it too and are usually 20-30% under Home Despot. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:45 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cross-over > > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:08:49 -0600 (CST) > "Garrett Krueger" wrote: > > > You could just make your own if you have cable, ends, and a crimper. > > Just > > cross wire 1 to wire 3 position and wire 2 to wire 6 position. > > Definately - Home Depot will have both crimper and ends (though radio > shack is cheaper) and here's a great webpage for the howto: > > http://linksys.com/faqs/default.asp?fqid=20 > > Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 00:48:57 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie ? about device permissions In-Reply-To: <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c596d0e041209224842ae60cc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:42:39 -0600, Olwe Melwasul wrote: how > do I tell Fed3 to let regular users use the CD, and how/where do I make > the link between the raw device /dev/hdb and the virtual devices cdrom > and dvd? Edit the file /etc/fstab Find a line similar to this /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 change "owner" to "user" (or is it "users"?) "man fstab" and "man mount" for your reading pleasure. /dev/cdrom is a link to the real device file /dev/hdb "la -l /dev/cdrom" will show that. "man ln" -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 00:50:31 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie ? about device permissions In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e041209224842ae60cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> <5c596d0e041209224842ae60cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c596d0e04120922504f7eb8b6@mail.gmail.com> oops thats "ls -l" not "la -l" -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 01:30:27 2004 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <41B92AB9.804@esox.us> References: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> <41B92AB9.804@esox.us> Message-ID: <32fd45370412092330546c8a2a@mail.gmail.com> Not sure how well ATI support is (haven't had a new box with *nix installed yet, beyond my Compaq laptop, with a 9000 which worked fine) but the Radeon 9600 series (XT in both desktops...mobile in laptop I type this on) are fairly cheap in regards to your $300 limit. I picked both of my XTs for $150 - one a year ago, with rebate and HL2, and the other one for that straight up. Works great for gaming, and is very powerful, but still great on a budget. Maybe I'll install Linux here shortly, if so, I'll let everyone know how it goes. If you're interested in benchmarks under XP or something, lemme know offlist...more than willing to help. Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Dec 10 07:22:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie ? about device permissions In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e041209224842ae60cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208102519.GI2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412090415.iB94FNo06199@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041209134533.GA12193@mail.el-swifto.com> <41B8FF0F.7060008@cpinternet.com> <5c596d0e041209224842ae60cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B9A303.7040609@visi.com> That's a great explanation! Tom you da Man! I put that one in my notebook! BTW for everyone who is new to the list; get yourself a notebook (3 ring binder) and a 3 hole punch. This way you get a collection of the problems you have worked through. No one remembers "everything" at all times having a desk reference is great. In the future you will use your notebook to help other folks; giving back to the community what you have learned. This should be a paper type notebook because you may need to fix something without access to an electronic version. Keep an electronic version but having a notebook is really nice. The "man" pages are great but your notebook will get you through the night. ;-) Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:42:39 -0600, Olwe Melwasul wrote: >how > > >>do I tell Fed3 to let regular users use the CD, and how/where do I make >>the link between the raw device /dev/hdb and the virtual devices cdrom >>and dvd? >> >> > > >Edit the file /etc/fstab > >Find a line similar to this >/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 iso9660 >noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > >change "owner" to "user" (or is it "users"?) > >"man fstab" and "man mount" for your reading pleasure. > >/dev/cdrom is a link to the real device file /dev/hdb >"la -l /dev/cdrom" will show that. >"man ln" > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 08:02:54 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <32fd45370412092330546c8a2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <771aee6a04120917467bc8cc29@mail.gmail.com> <41B92AB9.804@esox.us> <32fd45370412092330546c8a2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1469cda204121006024c2b607c@mail.gmail.com> ATI's linux drivers (AFAIK) still don't work with Doom 3 yet :(. other than that, they are ok, but nvidia probably still has the upper hand in drivers. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:30:27 -0600, Keith Bachman wrote: > Not sure how well ATI support is (haven't had a new box with *nix > installed yet, beyond my Compaq laptop, with a 9000 which worked fine) > but the Radeon 9600 series (XT in both desktops...mobile in laptop I > type this on) are fairly cheap in regards to your $300 limit. I > picked both of my XTs for $150 - one a year ago, with rebate and HL2, > and the other one for that straight up. Works great for gaming, and > is very powerful, but still great on a budget. > > Maybe I'll install Linux here shortly, if so, I'll let everyone know > how it goes. If you're interested in benchmarks under XP or > something, lemme know offlist...more than willing to help. > > Keith Bachman > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From 7aefc33f6 at heavyk.org Fri Dec 10 11:00:01 2004 From: 7aefc33f6 at heavyk.org (Keith Resar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Determine All X11 Keybindings Message-ID: <20041210170001.GZ4297@heavyk.org> I've got a program that crashes when it starts in some windowmanagers (XFCE and Metacity at least, maybe more). In its crashlog it says X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) Major opcode of failed request: 28 (X_GrabButton) Serial number of failed request: 4753 Current serial number in output stream: 4832 I'd like to get a readable listing of all the current keybindings that X11 has in an attempt to figure out what I've got to release in order to get this program to start w/o crashing. Does anyone know of either a resource for parsing the above information into more friendly information or else some good hits on a program that will give me some good info about what keys are bound in X? I've played around a bit with xev but was unable to make any progress. Keith. -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 11:55:04 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Determine All X11 Keybindings In-Reply-To: <20041210170001.GZ4297@heavyk.org> References: <20041210170001.GZ4297@heavyk.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:00:01 -0600, Keith Resar <7aefc33f6@heavyk.org> wrote: > I've got a program that crashes when it starts in some > windowmanagers (XFCE and Metacity at least, maybe more). In its > crashlog it says > > X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) > Major opcode of failed request: 28 (X_GrabButton) > Serial number of failed request: 4753 > Current serial number in output stream: 4832 This looks like an ssh "problem" Ive worked with recently. Are you running this via ssh? If so, make sure you have ssh -Y hostname and not just ssh -X hostname. They changed things around a bit in recent versions. > I'd like to get a readable listing of all the current keybindings > that X11 has in an attempt to figure out what I've got to release in > order to get this program to start w/o crashing. xmodmap is what you want. 'xmodmad -pk' will spit out what everything is mapped to. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan at integraonline.com Fri Dec 10 12:28:09 2004 From: ryan at integraonline.com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, so I've done a little more research and have studied up on Tom's Harware, Nvidia's site and a few others and have discovered a few things. My motherboard supports AGP 1x, 2x, 4x and PRO. What is AGP Pro? It appears (from NewEgg.Com) that some cards are 8x only and some are 8x/4x. Does that mean that it is compatible with my AGP 4x and my future AGP 8x computer? Finally, it also appears that Nvidia does not produce video cards, they produce GPUs which is put onto a video card. So, when I stick this card into my linux box, do I look for the nvidia drivers or the PNY drivers (for example?) What is the difference if PNY, ASUS and AOpen all use the same Nvidia chip? Would I get the most compatibility picking the ASUS since my motherboard is ASUS? -Ryan PS: Thanks for all the replies, they are very helpful. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at math.umn.edu Fri Dec 10 13:39:41 2004 From: dave at math.umn.edu (Dave Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200412101339.42144.dave@math.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 10 December 2004 12:28 pm, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Ok, so I've done a little more research and have studied up on Tom's > Harware, Nvidia's site and a few others and have discovered a few things. > My motherboard supports AGP 1x, 2x, 4x and PRO. What is AGP Pro? It > appears (from NewEgg.Com) that some cards are 8x only and some are 8x/4x. > Does that mean that it is compatible with my AGP 4x and my future AGP 8x > computer? AGP PRO is an extension to 4x that provides more power (up to 110W) to the card. There is no performance difference. An 8x only card won't work with your motherboard, and an 8x/4x card will, and will take advantage of your future 8x-capable mobo. > Finally, it also appears that Nvidia does not produce video > cards, they produce GPUs which is put onto a video card. Exactly - the companies that you purchase NVIDIA gear from are basically distributors. > So, when I stick > this card into my linux box, do I look for the nvidia drivers or the PNY > drivers (for example?) NVIDIA's drivers. They're at http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html or just http://www.nvidia.com/linux. > What is the difference if PNY, ASUS and AOpen all > use the same Nvidia chip? They are licensees to NVIDIA's chipset. NVIDIA doesn't make cards - just the chips themselves. All of the cards are basically the same thing and are required to work (usually will work best with) with NVIDIA's reference drivers, which on linux is the only thing you can install. > Would I get the most compatibility picking the > ASUS since my motherboard is ASUS? Not necessarily, no. - -- - -dave Dave Carlson Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, University of Minnesota http://www.math.umn.edu 8 Vincent Hall Computer Support Requests: 612-625-4895 Cell Phone: 612-747-5415 (personal) E-mail Pager: 6127475415@mobile.att.net PGP/GPG Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 (visit http://www.gnupg.org for more information) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBuft9zhF8S1MJl6cRAvi8AKCy/Y7MIdYFmiiR69cz41w8CSCjmgCeK0Cy 8Oe9Dd1wWANRZNXMZGb5djc= =E54z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 10 16:50:02 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any mutt experts out there? Message-ID: <20041210225002.GA8159@fireopal.org> I'm trying to figure out how to configure mutt's index display for a narrow screen. My current display is: : 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 : Msg # MMM DD From........... (line) Subject....................... My theory is that I'd like something like this: : 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 : Msg # MMM DD From........... (line) Subject....................... Anyone have any ideas on how I'd pull this off? I have this feeling I'm missing something simple. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Dec 10 17:25:42 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any mutt experts out there? In-Reply-To: <20041210225002.GA8159@fireopal.org>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:50:02PM -0600 References: <20041210225002.GA8159@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20041210172542.A8628@thinkunix.net> Scott Raun wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to configure mutt's index display for a > narrow screen. My current display is: > > : 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > : Msg # MMM DD From........... (line) Subject....................... > > My theory is that I'd like something like this: > > : 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > : Msg # MMM DD From........... (line) > Subject....................... > > Anyone have any ideas on how I'd pull this off? I have this feeling > I'm missing something simple. I would think you could add a '\n' to hdr_format but I just tried it and it didn't work. Might try it with a newer version of mutt, I know mine is older. from my .muttrc: # index format is: NNN MM-DD HH:MM # where: %3C = number of message in NNN format # %D = MM/DD/YY (see date(1)) # HH = hour # MM = minute # %F = sender (left justified in field of 15) # %s = message subject set hdr_format="%3C %Z %{%m-%d %H:%M} %-15.15F \n %s" ^ adding newline char here didn't work --+ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 10 17:43:14 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any mutt experts out there? In-Reply-To: <20041210172542.A8628@thinkunix.net> References: <20041210225002.GA8159@fireopal.org> <20041210172542.A8628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20041210234314.GA8662@fireopal.org> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:25:42PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I would think you could add a '\n' to hdr_format but I just tried it and > it didn't work. Might try it with a newer version of mutt, I know mine > is older. > > from my .muttrc: > > # index format is: NNN MM-DD HH:MM > # where: %3C = number of message in NNN format > # %D = MM/DD/YY (see date(1)) > # HH = hour > # MM = minute > # %F = sender (left justified in field of 15) > # %s = message subject > > set hdr_format="%3C %Z %{%m-%d %H:%M} %-15.15F \n %s" > ^ > adding newline char here didn't work --+ I'll give it a try sometime this weekend. FWIW: : sraun@fireagate ~ >mutt -v : Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) : Copyright (C) 1996-2002 Michael R. Elkins and others. : Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. : Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it : under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. (with another screen or two NOT copied!) How much more recent is my version? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Dec 10 21:38:39 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <200412101339.42144.dave@math.umn.edu> (message from Dave Carlson on Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:39:41 -0600) References: <200412101339.42144.dave@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200412110338.iBB3cdO01104@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >> Finally, it also appears that Nvidia does not produce video >> cards, they produce GPUs which is put onto a video card. >Exactly - the companies that you purchase NVIDIA gear from are basically >distributors. While its true that most people buy their computer gear from distributors, its incorrect to imply that graphics board makers that use nVidia graphics chip sets are simply distributors. Boards have to designed, routed, memory, BIOS code, numerous other interface, regulating, etc. components added, etc., etc., etc. The GPU defines the raw capabilites, but short cuts in memory and design can result in an inferior card. Check out web sites with graphics boards shoot outs. Not all graphics boards with the same GPU are created equal. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Dec 11 12:03:37 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: References: <20041207214528.0000552f@schubert> Message-ID: <20041211120337.00003bed@schubert> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:34:43 -0600 "Chuck Cole" wrote: > Radio Shack is always a more expensive choice. Go to Menard's. > They have it too and are usually 20-30% under Home Despot. Upon further review (stopped in yesterday) yeah they are more spendy, maybe I'm thinking of their ethernet cable costs or coax or something else... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 12 18:40:42 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-over In-Reply-To: <20041211120337.00003bed@schubert> Message-ID: Look further: RS is always most expensive in my experience. Cables are cheap at Menard's also, but they don't have much in RF types. Some RS locations also have reduced numbers of product choices in cables and connectors... RS is the LAST place to look, and only when good mail order is too long... IMHO. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:04 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cross-over > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:34:43 -0600 > "Chuck Cole" wrote: > > > Radio Shack is always a more expensive choice. Go to Menard's. > > They have it too and are usually 20-30% under Home Despot. > > Upon further review (stopped in yesterday) yeah they are more spendy, > maybe I'm thinking of their ethernet cable costs or coax or something > else... > > Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Mon Dec 13 02:55:39 2004 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem Message-ID: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP addresses. We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. Since the new LANs are inside the production network (192.168.1.0), they face a trusted network and don't need to filter or firewall transactions across the router. The clients only need to see the server, and the server needs to see inside the new LANs in order to print to their printers. At first I thought the simplest solution would be the best, so I decided to use a NAT table. I set up a script to do all the requisites, such as flush all the chains, start the ip_forward process in the /proc file system, modprobe for relevent modules, etc. Then I added one line to set up the NAT table: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.xxx Where xxx is the 192.168.1.0 number of the eth0 NIC. Of course, all the clients in the new LANs can see the server, but now the server can't see printers or anything else inside the new LANs. If NAT is the answer at all, it would seem that I should use DNAT and the PREROUTING chain to send packets from the server down to the new LANs, but the matter is more complicated because I am routing to three interfaces (eth1, eth2, and eth3) rather than firewalling a single interface. So here is my question for you, dear reader: 1. How do I write a DNAT PREROUTING statement to accommodate all three interfaces, and/or: 2. Is NAT the solution? Or should I be using a filter table instead of a NAT table to accomplish this goal? Any help much appreciated. John Reese _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Mon Dec 13 07:08:28 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem In-Reply-To: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <20041213130828.GT2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 02:55:39AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP > addresses. 192.168/16 is a /16, or a legacy "Class B" network. I think you meant /24. Classful routing is deprecated, there are technically no more Class A/B/C/D networks. > We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux > router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network > (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and > 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside > those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. You should be routing between the segments with filtering where necessary, the only thing that NAT is going to get you between networks is some obscurity about which two systems are actually communicating. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thurianknight at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 07:16:23 2004 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem In-Reply-To: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <7bdea6e30412130516142c6a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:55:39 -0600, John Reese wrote: > I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP > addresses. We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux > router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network > (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and > 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside > those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. > > Since the new LANs are inside the production network (192.168.1.0), they > face a trusted network and don't need to filter or firewall transactions > across the router. The clients only need to see the server, and the > server needs to see inside the new LANs in order to print to their > printers. [snip for brevity] I don't think you want to use NAT at all, since that is going to effectively masquerade your IP addresses. If you just use your Linux box as a router without NAT, a few static routes should give you everything you need. I don't recall the syntax off-hand, but you should be able to setup simple rules in your server so that for the networks 192.168.101.0/255.255.255.0, 192.168.102.0/255.255.255.0, and 192.168.103.0/255.255.255.0, it should use your internal router instead of its default gateway. On the router, simply set all incoming traffic on 192.168.1.0, bound for one of the other three networks, to go out the appropriate interface. Hope this helps, I know it might be a bit vague. -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA [Insert witty .sig here.] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Dec 13 07:25:51 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem In-Reply-To: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, John Reese wrote: > I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP > addresses. We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux > router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network > (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and > 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside > those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. Mmkay. This is all fine and good, generally speaking. > Since the new LANs are inside the production network (192.168.1.0), they > face a trusted network and don't need to filter or firewall transactions > across the router. The clients only need to see the server, and the > server needs to see inside the new LANs in order to print to their > printers. Okay. > At first I thought the simplest solution would be the best, so I decided > to use a NAT table. Huh? Since this is all internal, NAT isn't needed. If anything, it complicates matters unnecessarily. > I set up a script to do all the requisites, such as flush all the > chains, start the ip_forward process in the /proc file system, modprobe > for relevent modules, etc. That's how you do it, especially if you allow forwarding between eth0 & eth1/eth2/eth3. (And probably between all four, really.) > Then I added one line to set up the NAT table: Err, no. I don't think that's what you want to do. > Of course, all the clients in the new LANs can see the server, but now > the server can't see printers or anything else inside the new LANs. Does the server know that it has to go to to get to 192.168.101.0/24 (et al)? I.e., # route add -net 192.168.101.0/24 gw 192.168.1.xxx (Huh, I didn't know using /24 in that context worked -- neat!) You'll probably need to tell your router to the outside where it needs to send packets for those subnets, too. > 1. How do I write a DNAT PREROUTING statement to accommodate all three > interfaces, and/or: I wouldn't. YMMV. > 2. Is NAT the solution? Or should I be using a filter table instead of a > NAT table to accomplish this goal? Do you need filtering? Is there some reason to distrust the 192.168.10x.0 subnets? (Well, users are there, but besides that.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bellsoffreedom at animail.net Mon Dec 13 11:02:53 2004 From: bellsoffreedom at animail.net (Nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! Message-ID: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Hello all! I'm a Linux intermediate user and I need help networking two computers. One computer is a Gateway laptop, 5300 Solo running Suse Linux 9.0. Approx Pentium II. The second computer is new Dell Dimension 4800 desktop running Windows XP Home. Pentium 4. I have the correct type of network cable used to connect pier to pier without using hubs, etc. From what I can tell, Linux is talking DHCP and Windows is using TCP/IP or some Microsoft protocol. They won't connect. I really need to get them working properly so I can get all the valuable info off my laptop and onto the Windows computer, which has a CD burner. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!! THANK YOU!! (Also, many of the howto's haven't helped, that's why I've come here!) Take care! Nick ?Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.? ~ Elie Wiesel View my blog & artwork! *********************** http://artandprose.blogspot.com/ Support Care2 Email: 1,400 whales may be killed this year. Take action! http://www.care2.com/go/z/17954 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Dec 13 11:01:19 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem In-Reply-To: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <1102957279.41bdcadfe9c08@joshwelch.com> Quoting John Reese : > I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP > addresses. We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux > router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network > (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and > 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside > those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. > > Since the new LANs are inside the production network (192.168.1.0), they > face a trusted network and don't need to filter or firewall transactions > across the router. The clients only need to see the server, and the > server needs to see inside the new LANs in order to print to their > printers. > > At first I thought the simplest solution would be the best, so I decided > to use a NAT table. I set up a script to do all the requisites, such as > flush all the chains, start the ip_forward process in the /proc file > system, modprobe for relevent modules, etc. Then I added one line to set > up the NAT table: > > /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -o > eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.xxx > > Where xxx is the 192.168.1.0 number of the eth0 NIC. > > Of course, all the clients in the new LANs can see the server, but now > the server can't see printers or anything else inside the new LANs. > > If NAT is the answer at all, it would seem that I should use DNAT and > the PREROUTING chain to send packets from the server down to the new > LANs, but the matter is more complicated because I am routing to three > interfaces (eth1, eth2, and eth3) rather than firewalling a single > interface. So here is my question for you, dear reader: > > 1. How do I write a DNAT PREROUTING statement to accommodate all three > interfaces, and/or: > > 2. Is NAT the solution? Or should I be using a filter table instead of a > NAT table to accomplish this goal? > > Any help much appreciated. > > John Reese > If I understand correctly you have a LAN that you have numbered using numbers in the 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 range. You're needs are expanding beyond 255 addresses so you are going to segment your network and have some folks live on 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 and some live on 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.0. Am I correct so far? If I understand correctly, then there is no need for NAT between your 192.168 networks. There should not even be a need to enter routes into your Linux box because all of the nets will be connected to that box, so it should figure them out. You will just want to make sure that you've got IP forwarding turned on, which it sounds like you do. Just make sure iptables is allowing the forwarding as well. If your firewall/router has an interface which speaks to the internet, then you will need to nat the 192.168 stuff going to the 'net. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Dec 13 11:13:41 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! In-Reply-To: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: <20041213171341.GR96883@therub.org> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:02:53AM -0600, Nick wrote: > Hello all! > > I'm a Linux intermediate user and I need help networking two > computers. > > One computer is a Gateway laptop, 5300 Solo running Suse Linux 9.0. > Approx Pentium II. > > The second computer is new Dell Dimension 4800 desktop running > Windows XP Home. Pentium 4. > > I have the correct type of network cable used to connect pier to > pier without using hubs, etc. From what I can tell, Linux is talking > DHCP and Windows is using TCP/IP or some Microsoft protocol. They > won't connect. > > I really need to get them working properly so I can get all the > valuable info off my laptop and onto the Windows computer, which has > a CD burner. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!! THANK > YOU!! (Also, many of the howto's haven't helped, that's why I've > come here!) > > Take care! > Nick Hey Nick, First of all, watch the !!!'s they're gonna get your flamed :) If you just want to network two computers directly, without connecting them to the internet or anything, the easiest way is to use static IPs and a cross over cable (i hope that's what you have). What I would do is on the windows box, go to your network card properties screen -> TCP/IP properties -> and set: IP: 10.0.0.1 Netmask: 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway: 10.0.0.2 Then on the linux laptop: IP: 10.0.0.2 Netmask: 255.255.255.0 default gateway (might be called default router): 10.0.0.1 Where to set that in suse, not sure. From the command line, you can do it with ifconfig. it'll be something like (havn't used linux in a while so this might be incorrect) ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 But i'm sure suse linux has some fancy point and click way of setting that informatino as well. After that, your computers should be able to talk. You can test by using ping. i.e. from the windows box, in a dos window: ping 10.0.0.2 And likewise from the linux box. You'd really do yourself a favor to start reading networking tutorials online. Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Dec 13 11:27:11 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! In-Reply-To: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: <20041213172711.GA10929@callisto> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:02:53AM -0600, Nick wrote: > [...] > I have the correct type of network cable used to connect pier to > pier without using hubs, etc. From what I can tell, Linux is talking > DHCP and Windows is using TCP/IP or some Microsoft protocol. They > won't connect. > Here's what I would probably do... Temporarily take linux off dhcp: "killall dhclient" or "killall dhcpcd" or whatever. Bring linux up on a manually configured address: "ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 up" On the windows machine under Settings -> Control Panel -> Networking ... set your ethernet card to a manual address of 192.168.0.2 Now if you're using a cross-over cable they should be able to see each other by using the ip addresses (192.168.0.1 for the linux machine, 192.168.0.2 for the windows). -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 11:28:37 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! In-Reply-To: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: Well assuming you're not running a DHCP server, you'll need to setup some sort of network. TCP/IP on a private subnet, easy to do.If you haven't setup a TCP/IP network before, it shouldn't be hard to find a guide from a google search. Once you have a network going, there are many ways you can extract your data off the laptop. You could setup samba and copy files that way, setup ftp and bring files over that way, install ssh and use WinSCP to copy files, or you can setup a share on the windows machine, mount it under linux, and copy things over that way... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Mon Dec 13 11:55:02 2004 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice Message-ID: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not with XP. Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear recommendations. Thanks, Patrick McCabe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Dec 13 11:40:42 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! In-Reply-To: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: <1102959642.41bdd41a66435@my.visi.com> M$ has a nifty way of starting a computer with what they feel is important network information and that everyone should do what they do. NOT! > I have the correct type of network cable used to connect pier to > pier without using hubs, etc. From what I can tell, Linux is talking > DHCP and Windows is using TCP/IP or some Microsoft protocol. They > won't connect. Setup both computers with static IP addresses. computer #1 IP Address: 192.168.1.2 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 computer #2 IP Address: 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 Don't worry about default gateway unless you want to route to the internet. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 13 12:17:43 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:55:02AM -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. The usual advice concerning dual booting systems is pretty much holds for XP. The one wrinke with XP concerns filesystems. Most XP installs start out as vfat, but are converted to NT fs on the first boot of XP. It easier to re-partition vfat, so you may want to avoid letting XP boot until you have repartitioned. There are Linux tools for partitioning NT filesystems, but they hadn't made their way into all distros the last time I dealt with this problem. > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. I have been very happy with my Thinkpads, though the recent sale of IBM PC unit makes me a little more hesitant to recomend that direction. You may want to look at a recent thread that we had on laptops, http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2004-August/thread.html#67058 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Dec 13 12:21:40 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <200412131221.41050.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 13 December 2004 11:55 am, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. This shouldn't be an issue with any modern Linux distribution. > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. I purchased a custom built HP nc6000 recently. I love it. Everything except suspend/hibernate is working. The only reason this doesn't work is because of the crappy ATI drivers for Linux. Link to custom config on HP site: http://tinyurl.com/3lwfn I got one with a Pentium M 1.6Ghz, 64 MB video, 14.1" SXGA screen, 80Gb HD, 512 MB RAM, CDR-DVD, Wireless 802.11 /a/b/g card, Bluetooth...etc. It is a bit spendy but the quality is worth it I think. Bret Baptist. > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Mon Dec 13 12:30:52 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <1102962652.16002.25.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> I LOVE my LAC laptop. Great service and very open to work with. I got the LUA64SA. http://www.laclinux.com/en/LUA64SA Athlon XP 64 3400+ 1 Gb RAM DVD RW Drive Built in 802.11BG And because I had already bought a 80 Gb drive for my dying laptop they let me order one without a hard drive. You pick your distro and they even ask for a partition layout and give you custom restore media that can reinstall with out losing the stuff in your home directory. Dual boot is an option as well. Very happy customer!!! Jason On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 11:55 -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 12:14:05 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:55:02 -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. > I dual boot XP and Debian on my Dell Inspiron 8100 without any issues. All depends on the hardware, though. Some of the newer Dell's might have something unexpected. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ggriffin at mn.rr.com Mon Dec 13 13:12:47 2004 From: ggriffin at mn.rr.com (gordon griffin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video clips Message-ID: <1102965166.1994.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm new to Linux and have installed FC1. Everything is OK except I can not view video clips. I've installed RealPlayer and attempted to install Mplayer. RealPlayer audio works on some sites but no luck w/ video. I had Win98se on my machine before the switch over to Fedora Core. In addition to the specific request for video help I'd be interested in general information on maintaining Linux FC - perhaps there is a more robust distribution that would be a better fit for me - any suggestions? Thanks for your help _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Mon Dec 13 13:04:30 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:06 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:17 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:55:02AM -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > > with XP. > > The usual advice concerning dual booting systems is pretty much > holds for XP. The one wrinke with XP concerns filesystems. Most > XP installs start out as vfat, but are converted to NT fs on the > first boot of XP. It easier to re-partition vfat, so you may > want to avoid letting XP boot until you have repartitioned. > There are Linux tools for partitioning NT filesystems, but they > hadn't made their way into all distros the last time I dealt with > this problem. > > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > > recommendations. > > I have been very happy with my Thinkpads, though the recent sale > of IBM PC unit makes me a little more hesitant to recomend that > direction. > > You may want to look at a recent thread that we had on laptops, > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2004-August/thread.html#67058 > On the sale of IBM, what I have read is that their desktop and laptop line were being manufactured for a few years by another vendor. I'll go back and see if I can find that news article. Jason _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 13:07:39 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <1469cda20412131107602553@mail.gmail.com> I've had a Dell Inspiron 5150 for about 8 months and I am very disappointed with the whole experience. The hardware is picky, the fan is loud, the acpi implementation is broken. it's also not very comfortable to use, as laptops go. not to mention dell's award winning worthless customer & technical support. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:55:02 -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Dec 13 13:46:59 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any problems are likely to be I/O driver problems. Look out for strange built-in "winmodems" and strange internal WiFi, but having those built-in is nice. I use a plug-in WiFi card when I need long range and/or an external antenna. My older HP has some drivers from France for the Winmodem that worked on RH 7.6 but not (yet) in RH 9. The internal WiFi wasn't a problem in this case. Most of the other stuff like graphics, storage, etc is usually standard enough. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > slushpupie@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:14 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:55:02 -0600, Patrick McCabe > wrote: > > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > > with XP. > > > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > > recommendations. > > > > I dual boot XP and Debian on my Dell Inspiron 8100 without any issues. > All depends on the hardware, though. Some of the newer Dell's might > have something unexpected. > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Mon Dec 13 13:51:57 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> I have found that http://www.linux-laptop.net/ has a nice list of how to load linux on different laptops. http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html may also have some information for you. I'm sure you found those using google, but thought I would list them anyway. I found them usefull when loading linux on my Dell Inspiron 8000. I remember hearing about some emachine laptop that was inexpensive <$900 and ran linux without much difficulty. Hope you find yourself a killer laptop. I have been wanting to get a Alienware laptop for quite some time now. I think it would make a killer gaming system / Linux powerhorse. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Patrick McCabe Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:55 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not with XP. Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear recommendations. Thanks, Patrick McCabe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Dec 13 15:01:19 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net>; from jsievert@jsievert.net on Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 01:04:30PM -0600 References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <20041213150119.A12284@thinkunix.net> Jason Sievert wrote: > On the sale of IBM, what I have read is that their desktop and laptop > line were being manufactured for a few years by another vendor. I'll go > back and see if I can find that news article. http://news.com.com/IBM+sells+PC+group+to+Lenovo/2100-1042_3-5482284.html?tag=st_lh I too have been very happy with the Thinkpads I've owned, but I'm not sure what the future holds now that IBM had sold their PC/Thinkpad division to Lenovo in China. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Mon Dec 13 15:26:45 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20041213212645.GW2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:55:02AM -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > with XP. > > Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > recommendations. > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe I recently purchased a second laptop, my second Toshiba, an A75-S226 3.06 GHz, 80GB HDD, 15.4" Widescreen, DVD+-RW drive, 802.11g(atheros), ATI WinModem, 10/100 RealTek ethernet, ATI 9100 Mobility Video, 1xFirewire, 3xUSB 2.0 (One on the right side for desktop mouse usage), 2x PCMCIA, IRDA, and a 5-in-1 flash card reader. Every bit of it worked with a default installation of Fedora Core 3, with the exception of the Atheros 802.11g which you have to compile your own drivers for (http://madwifi.sf.net) but they also work well. I've been quite happy with Toshiba laptops, their keyboards are excellent for *nix users (they don't squash the keys less-used in windows), full home/pgup/pgdn/end keys (no fn-key combo) and best of all, the windows keys are tucked away in the upper right hand corner of the keyboard. Additionally, Fedora had no qualms with the widescreen display which was a relief, it used to be quite a chore to get anything but standard resolutions to work happily in XF86. The model I got was a bit spendy, but they sell the same design with a smaller HD, no DVD-RW, and lower processor speed at good prices. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Mon Dec 13 15:26:58 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that already exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? I'd like to be able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type files and still be able to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer for .gho files. Am I explaining this well at all? Thanks! Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Mon Dec 13 15:28:00 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412131221.41050.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131221.41050.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> Bret Baptist wrote: > I purchased a custom built HP nc6000 recently. I love it. Everything except > suspend/hibernate is working. The only reason this doesn't work is because > of the crappy ATI drivers for Linux. I've actually come full circle from being a strong advocate of ATI for Linux to now favoring nVidia. Building the nVidia kernel modules in debian is quick and painless... and much more likely to work for things like TV-out (than the open source ATI drivers). Getting the proprietary ATI drivers to work requires using a down-rev'd X config. Last summer I purchased an HP zd7260us (from Circuit City).... and ended up using the nv driver until I recently rebuilt the nVidia drivers for 2.6.9. Now I've got glx working again!!! (glxgears - 2114 fps). The driver is still 'flaky' in that it doesn't exit cleanly... And, due to other changes in ALSA (I think), the sound driver stopped working... but based on the Changelog for 2.6.10 I suspect this will be fixed. I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but I know others have managed to get this to work. It's really nice having 1680x1050 pixels to work with! And it's interesting that when running the SMP kernel it's actually hard to keep both HT contexts busy! I can dual boot this machine into XP (but rarely do). The best recipe I found was to use a recovery CD to shrink the NTFS partition, then make new partitions for the Linux install.... The ntfsresize Frequently Asked Questions http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html My only additions to the standard procedure are to do these things first: 1. Remove any software (adware, spyware, M$ware) and data you will not need. 2. De-frag the C: drive 3. Do a C:\> chkdsk /f and then reboot into Windows to insure the filesystem is is consistent. http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#chkdsk 4. Boot to the recovery CD and proceed to do ntfsresize (I usually make a FAT32 partition for Linux to write data that I want to share with Windows.... I haven't tried mounting NTFS for r/w in Linux) My favorite recovery disk currently is (note this has the latest ntfsresize): "Recovery is Possible" http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ Jay wrote: > I dual boot XP and Debian on my Dell Inspiron 8100 without any issues. > All depends on the hardware, though. Some of the newer Dell's might > have something unexpected. I'm currently using my old Dell 8100 as a MythTV front end (because TV-out works!). I found that running the i8kmon utilities was necessary to insure the fans keep the machine cool. HTH, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 15:14:04 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:17:43 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > I have been very happy with my Thinkpads, though the recent sale > of IBM PC unit makes me a little more hesitant to recomend that > direction. > What?! Yes, yes.. I'm behind the times on hardware. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Dec 13 16:04:41 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> References: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> Message-ID: You can mount the iso as a normal filesystem using the loopback device, make your changes, and then unmount it. I forget the linux command-line, something like: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso /iso (make sure there's already a /iso directory). On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Chris Smith wrote: > Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that already > exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? I'd like to be > able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type files and still be able > to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer for .gho files. Am I > explaining this well at all? Thanks! > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Mon Dec 13 12:06:32 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Iptables routing problem In-Reply-To: <1102957279.41bdcadfe9c08@joshwelch.com> References: <1102928139.5233.32.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> <1102957279.41bdcadfe9c08@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20041213180632.GA3613@dad1> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:01:19AM -0600, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > Quoting John Reese : > > > I work for a company that has nearly exhausted its Class C range of IP > > addresses. We decided to get by the problem by using a single Linux > > router running iptables to route the exhausted 192.168.1.0 network > > (eth0) to three LANs with numbers 192.168.101.0, 192.168.102.0, and > > 192.168.103.0 (eth1, eth2, and eth3). Our goal is to have clients inside > > those networks see a single server in the old 192.168.1.0 network. > If I understand correctly you have a LAN that you have numbered using numbers in > the 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 range. You're needs are expanding beyond 255 > addresses so you are going to segment your network and have some folks live on > 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 and some live on 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.0. Can't you just keep it all on one big network and widen the netmask out from 255.255.255.0 to say 255.255.0.0 or something inbetween? Do you want to segment your network up into different networks for other reasons? I've no experience with larger IP networks, so maybe I'm missing something. Karl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Mon Dec 13 16:37:59 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131221.41050.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> Message-ID: <20041213223759.GX2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 03:28:00PM -0600, Tom Marble wrote: > > I've actually come full circle from being a strong advocate of ATI > for Linux to now favoring nVidia. Building the nVidia kernel modules > in debian is quick and painless... and much more likely to work > for things like TV-out (than the open source ATI drivers). Getting the > proprietary ATI drivers to work requires using a down-rev'd X config. The open source ATI drivers are what I use, and they work great (the binary drivers didn't want to work anyway), although personally I would also prefer NVidia. glxgears 4975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 995.000 FPS 5422 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1084.400 FPS 5421 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1084.200 FPS Works great, plays games great. > I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but > I know others have managed to get this to work. This is the problem with HP laptops, they're Compaq at heart and it shows when you start looking at the cheap hardware they use. I'm happy to pay an extra $5 for Atheros 802.11g wireless that works (with drivers developed by Atheros, for Linux, using the standard wireless tools) > It's really nice having 1680x1050 pixels to work with! And it's > interesting that when running the SMP kernel it's actually hard > to keep both HT contexts busy! Yes, HT on laptops is nice. Additionally, SpeedStep works well on this system, lowering the operating frequency down to as low as 300mhz when it's not doing much of anything. It's something else you want to consider when purchasing a laptop, lower CPU frequency == lower power usage, lower power usage == less heat, less fans, more battery life. Under (my) normal operation, the fans hardly ever turn on. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Mon Dec 13 16:39:07 2004 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> References: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> Message-ID: <20041213163907.78d02c56@jthink.zeroink.com> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:26:58 -0600 "Chris Smith" wrote: > Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that > already exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? > I'd like to be able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type > files and still be able to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer > for .gho files. Am I explaining this well at all? Thanks! > > Chris > Assuming your kernel has loopback device support, mount the ISO file, edit and reburn. mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.ISO /mnt/somewhere cd /mnt/somewhere # edit file(s) umount /mnt/somewhere Same method applies for other filesystem types within files. Not aware of a "utility" for this, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. -Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Mon Dec 13 17:00:20 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> Ditto on the Thinkpads, esp. the new ones that use aceleration sensors to park the hd head before it hits the ground when you drop it. Now that IBM is selling though, I'd go Dell. You can get repairs done and get ahold of someone, and their onsite service is good. (get a lattitude and you can talk to US based support, vs. India.) I have a Lat D800 running FC3 and it works very well, though I haven't had time to play w/ the wireless yet everything else works great. Chris Smith Sr. I.S. Administrator API Group Inc. www.apigroupinc.com www.apitools.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:14 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:17:43 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > I have been very happy with my Thinkpads, though the recent sale of > IBM PC unit makes me a little more hesitant to recomend that > direction. > What?! Yes, yes.. I'm behind the times on hardware. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Dec 13 18:03:26 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041213223759.GX2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> <20041213223759.GX2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 13 December 2004 4:37 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but > > I know others have managed to get this to work. > > This is the problem with HP laptops, they're Compaq at heart and it > shows when you start looking at the cheap hardware they use. I'm > happy to pay an extra $5 for Atheros 802.11g wireless that works > (with drivers developed by Atheros, for Linux, using the standard > wireless tools) > Notice that the HP laptop that I recommended is not a Compaq at heart. You can only buy it through their business to business site, it is made with quality components, and comes with a full 3 year warranty. It may say Compaq nc6000 on it, but I am of the opinion that naming is merely to appease the Compaq overlords. I also have an Atheros chipset in this laptop. I have had *way* better service with HP and this laptop than I have ever had from Dell. When I received it they had sent the battery with an incorrect plastic cover. I called them, talked to someone, they identified the problem in a minute, and then overnighted me a new cover. The cool thing is they didn't just send the cover, they sent a plastic set that includes all the removable plastic pieces on the whole laptop. So now if I have any little widgets break I have a backup. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Dec 13 18:07:27 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <1102962652.16002.25.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <1102962652.16002.25.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <41BE2EBF.1040904@comcast.net> Funny, those look exactly like the E-machine laptop my sister recently bought. Jason Sievert wrote: > I LOVE my LAC laptop. Great service and very open to work with. I got > the LUA64SA. http://www.laclinux.com/en/LUA64SA > > Athlon XP 64 3400+ > 1 Gb RAM > DVD RW Drive > Built in 802.11BG > > And because I had already bought a 80 Gb drive for my dying laptop they > let me order one without a hard drive. You pick your distro and they > even ask for a partition layout and give you custom restore media that > can reinstall with out losing the stuff in your home directory. Dual > boot is an option as well. > > Very happy customer!!! > > Jason > > On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 11:55 -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > >>I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come >>with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be >>any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not >>with XP. >> >>Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear >>recommendations. >> >>Thanks, >>Patrick McCabe >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.1 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Dec 13 18:09:21 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> References: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> Message-ID: <41BE2F31.6000403@comcast.net> I'm not sure about a linux application, but there is a Windows application that can do this, it's called WinISO. Chris Smith wrote: > Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that already > exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? I'd like to be > able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type files and still be able > to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer for .gho files. Am I > explaining this well at all? Thanks! > > Chris -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.1 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Dec 13 18:30:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> <20041213223759.GX2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <41BE340A.5070808@visi.com> The cool thing is they didn't just send the cover, they sent a plastic set that includes all the removable plastic pieces on the whole laptop. So now if I have any little widgets break I have a backup. Extra parts would be a Compaq legacy thing, anyone need Compaq screws :-D Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Dec 13 18:30:51 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> Message-ID: <41BE343B.5030802@visi.com> I didn't even think of dual booting, I had enough laptops to run FC, Debian, and XP on separate laptops. They are all old so it's not really that big of a deal. I've run Linux/windows on Compaq laptops all Armadas, 7700, 7800, 7400, e500, v300, and M700. All these are business class machines not presario machines. Please don't buy one of the presario machines, spend the extra money. Everything works except the "winmodems" but that's easy to fix with a good PCMCIA modem. I really like Compaq's because Compaq because I can always get windows drivers for them. Dells are nice I've had good luck with them but haven't put Linux on one. IBM laptops ROCK and IBM supports Linux they work great for Linux. I have an HP/Compaq nc8000 at work, the video is unbelievable, the sound is great, I haven't tried Linux on it. I use a not so odd scheam for windows on laptops, I create a partition for the pagefile alone and one for windows. I got the idea from Linux that creates a partition for swap space. Memory is the number one thing when it comes to any OS, max out the memory, you'll be glad you did. Get 2 AC adapters 1 for the bag and 1 for your desk. I don't like crawling around to plug in at my desk Check each manufacturer to see if they support Linux on the laptops they sell, you may find IBM to be the only one that does support Linux (name brand). Make sure drivers exist in the distro of choice for everything in the laptop. DVD, Sound, Video, etc... That's my 2 bits :-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Mon Dec 13 20:32:03 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <41BE0960.1040801@info9.net> <20041213223759.GX2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20041214023203.GZ2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:03:26PM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote: > On Monday 13 December 2004 4:37 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but > > > I know others have managed to get this to work. > I also have an Atheros chipset in this laptop. Why are you trying to use the ndis wrapper then? The linux driver exceeds the functionality of the windows driver, by far. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 21:17:54 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:00:20 -0600, Chris Smith wrote: > Now that IBM is > selling though, I'd go Dell. You can get repairs done and get ahold of > someone, and their onsite service is good. (get a lattitude and you can talk > to US based support, vs. India.) I have a Lat D800 running FC3 and it works > very well, though I haven't had time to play w/ the wireless yet everything > else works great. I strongly recommend *not* going with dell for laptops. I have a Latitude c640 and while it works just fine with linux I have had some serious overheating problems. The thing always seemed to get hotter than I would ever imagine could be normal (regularly runs at about 141 celsius with nothing else going) and sure enough less than a year after I bought it the motherboard died due to overheating. Looking at message boards, this would seem to be a very common problem with Dell laptops, to the point where there are a couple 3rd party fan utilities written specifically for them to keep their fans running at full tilt at all times. I spent a week with support trying to get my motherboard replaced, which did ultimately happen, but it was a hassle. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Dec 13 22:13:25 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Help!!! In-Reply-To: <20041213171341.GR96883@therub.org> References: <8820191960A587045B3A86EF1A7F8D34@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> <20041213171341.GR96883@therub.org> Message-ID: <200412132213.25773.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 13 December 2004 11:13 am, Dan Rue wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:02:53AM -0600, Nick wrote: > > Hello all! > > > > I'm a Linux intermediate user and I need help networking two > > computers. > > > > One computer is a Gateway laptop, 5300 Solo running Suse Linux 9.0. > > Approx Pentium II. > > > > The second computer is new Dell Dimension 4800 desktop running > > Windows XP Home. Pentium 4. > > > Where to set that in suse, not sure. From the command line, you can do > it with ifconfig. it'll be something like (havn't used linux in a while > so this might be incorrect) > ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 For SuSE: Open YaST and go to Network Devices -> Network Cards and select eth0 and "Configure". This will allow you to set static settings for the network card. Jack Local SuSE Bigot. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From arkajyoti at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 22:42:06 2004 From: arkajyoti at gmail.com (Arkajyoti Misra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> Hello All! This my first mail to the TCLUG. I am running FC1 on a Toshiba satellite laptop and trying to get the OS to recognize my USB jumpdrive. My /etc/fstab looks like this... LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat noauto,owner,user,sync 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 Now when I try to mount the drive I get the following error... mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device Running /sbin/fsck I get the following... fsck 1.34 (25-Jul-2003) dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN open /dev/sda1:No such device or address Any suggestions what to do now? I googled for this problem but came up with no solution. Thanks. Arko. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 00:26:02 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41BE877A.4050601@comcast.net> Arkajyoti Misra wrote: > Hello All! > > This my first mail to the TCLUG. > I am running FC1 on a Toshiba satellite laptop and trying to get the > OS to recognize my USB jumpdrive. My /etc/fstab looks like this... > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat > noauto,owner,user,sync 0 0 > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > Now when I try to mount the drive I get the following error... > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb > mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device > > Running /sbin/fsck I get the following... > fsck 1.34 (25-Jul-2003) > > dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN > open /dev/sda1:No such device or address > > Any suggestions what to do now? > I googled for this problem but came up with no solution. > > Thanks. > > Arko. > > Please post what you get when you do the following: Unplug the USB reader and card and issue the command 'tail /var/log/messages/' then plug the reader back in and insert the card back into the reader and issue 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb. Issue 'tail -20 /var/log/messages' and then post back with the output of both runs of tail. Also issue the command 'dmesg | grep -i usb' This is looking at fault mostly on the system, but you might also want to check the card you're trying to read is also good. After you did the above (with your card still in the machine, try doing '/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda1' I'm assuming that this card is good as in you have taken pictures on it and can read the pics back off on your camera. If you had another card that is free of space or if the card you are trying to read is free of space, try formatting the card first. Also, /dev/sda1 should be dynamically created, make sure it is gone when you disconnect your USB reader from your laptop and reappears when you plug it back in. So do file /dev/sda1 OR ls -l /dev/sda1 before and after connecting your reader/card Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 08:07:26 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> References: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc04121406074d2c3daf@mail.gmail.com> : > Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that already > exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? I'd like to be > able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type files and still be able > to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer for .gho files. Am I > explaining this well at all? Thanks! I modified a KnoppixMAME iso to put some game ROMS on it - here's what I did: mount up ISO image copy the image to another location cd /path/to/copyed/iso edit add files mkisofs -o /path/to/new_knoppixxmame.iso -V "knoppix" \ -l -r -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat \ -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table . _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Tue Dec 14 03:40:18 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 10:42:06PM -0600, Arkajyoti Misra wrote: > Hello All! > > This my first mail to the TCLUG. > I am running FC1 on a Toshiba satellite laptop and trying to get the > OS to recognize my USB jumpdrive. My /etc/fstab looks like this... > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat > noauto,owner,user,sync 0 0 > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > Now when I try to mount the drive I get the following error... > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb > mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device > > Running /sbin/fsck I get the following... > fsck 1.34 (25-Jul-2003) > > dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN > open /dev/sda1:No such device or address > > Any suggestions what to do now? > I googled for this problem but came up with no solution. > > Thanks. > > Arko. Make sure ohci or uhci usb drivers are loaded, and ehci if you want high speed. Also make sure usb-storage driver module is loaded. Do that with a lsmod command, Do a modprobe usb-storage if it isn't loaded. Try a lsusb command, if drivers are loaded this will list out usb devices. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Tue Dec 14 08:35:03 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041214023203.GZ2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20041214023203.GZ2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <200412140835.04192.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 13 December 2004 8:32 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:03:26PM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote: > > On Monday 13 December 2004 4:37 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but > > > > I know others have managed to get this to work. > > > > I also have an Atheros chipset in this laptop. > > Why are you trying to use the ndis wrapper then? The linux driver exceeds > the functionality of the windows driver, by far. When did I ever say a word about the ndis wrapper. Read all my comments and please show me, I am interested. I am using the native Linux driver. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 09:01:44 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041213150119.A12284@thinkunix.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <20041213150119.A12284@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1469cda2041214070149a9f959@mail.gmail.com> the way i understand it, IBM still retains rights to the 'think' line for several years. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:01:19 -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > > On the sale of IBM, what I have read is that their desktop and laptop > > line were being manufactured for a few years by another vendor. I'll go > > back and see if I can find that news article. > > http://news.com.com/IBM+sells+PC+group+to+Lenovo/2100-1042_3-5482284.html?tag=st_lh > > I too have been very happy with the Thinkpads I've owned, but I'm not > sure what the future holds now that IBM had sold their PC/Thinkpad > division to Lenovo in China. > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Dec 14 09:14:16 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <41BE2EBF.1040904@comcast.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <1102962652.16002.25.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <41BE2EBF.1040904@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1103037256.15841.7.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Its manufacture is uniwill and its sold by many different places. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2464.html http://www.rayservers.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=43 http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/mobile/notebooks/amilo_a.html LAC replaces the miniPCI card with a Intel ipw2200. Which is a good thing because their is a patch for the driver to get it to work on x86-64 bit distros. Jason On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 18:07 -0600, Todd Young wrote: > Funny, those look exactly like the E-machine laptop my sister recently > bought. > > Jason Sievert wrote: > > I LOVE my LAC laptop. Great service and very open to work with. I got > > the LUA64SA. http://www.laclinux.com/en/LUA64SA > > > > Athlon XP 64 3400+ > > 1 Gb RAM > > DVD RW Drive > > Built in 802.11BG > > > > And because I had already bought a 80 Gb drive for my dying laptop they > > let me order one without a hard drive. You pick your distro and they > > even ask for a partition layout and give you custom restore media that > > can reinstall with out losing the stuff in your home directory. Dual > > boot is an option as well. > > > > Very happy customer!!! > > > > Jason > > > > On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 11:55 -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: > > > >>I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come > >>with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be > >>any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not > >>with XP. > >> > >>Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear > >>recommendations. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Patrick McCabe > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Todd Young > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Dec 14 09:45:41 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041213212645.GW2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213212645.GW2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <16831.2725.946676.55353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MH" == Matthew S Hallacy writes: MH> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:55:02AM -0600, Patrick McCabe wrote: >> I am going to be buying a laptop computer soon. I assume it will come >> with XP and I will want to convert it to dual-boot Linux. Will there be >> any problems doing this? I have built dual-boot sytems before but not >> with XP. >> >> Also if anyone really loves (or hates) their laptop I am happy to hear >> recommendations. >> >> Thanks, >> Patrick McCabe MH> I recently purchased a second laptop, my second Toshiba, an MH> A75-S226 3.06 GHz, 80GB HDD, 15.4" Widescreen, DVD+-RW drive, MH> 802.11g(atheros), ATI WinModem, 10/100 RealTek ethernet, ATI MH> 9100 Mobility Video, 1xFirewire, 3xUSB 2.0 (One on the right MH> side for desktop mouse usage), 2x PCMCIA, IRDA, and a 5-in-1 MH> flash card reader. Does the ACPI stuff work right? software suspend? Thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From arkajyoti at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 09:48:37 2004 From: arkajyoti at gmail.com (Arkajyoti Misra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> Message-ID: <4ecba2ff041214074875d871bd@mail.gmail.com> # /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted usb-storage 70432 0 (unused) trident 33364 0 (autoclean) ac97_codec 16744 0 (autoclean) [trident] pcigame 2632 0 (autoclean) [trident] gameport 3380 0 (autoclean) [pcigame] soundcore 6468 3 (autoclean) [trident] lp 8580 0 (autoclean) parport 37056 0 (autoclean) [lp] autofs 12084 0 (autoclean) (unused) ds 8680 1 yenta_socket 13472 1 pcmcia_core 56256 0 [ds yenta_socket] 8139too 16616 1 mii 3992 0 [8139too] ipt_REJECT 4248 6 (autoclean) iptable_filter 2444 1 (autoclean) ip_tables 15136 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter] sg 35436 0 (autoclean) sr_mod 17400 2 (autoclean) microcode 4188 0 (autoclean) ide-scsi 12016 1 ide-cd 34432 0 cdrom 34592 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] sd_mod 13420 0 (autoclean) (unused) scsi_mod 110280 5 (autoclean) [usb-storage sg sr_mod ide-scsi sd_mod] vfat 12524 0 (autoclean) fat 38040 0 (autoclean) [vfat] keybdev 2656 0 (unused) mousedev 5268 1 hid 23908 0 (unused) input 5888 0 [keybdev mousedev hid] ehci-hcd 20008 0 (unused) usb-ohci 21544 0 (unused) usbcore 78752 1 [usb-storage hid ehci-hcd usb-ohci] ext3 71620 2 jbd 51276 2 [ext3] # /sbin/modprobe usb-storage gives nothing. # /sbin/lsusb Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 I need some help to interpret the results above. Thanks. Arko. > Make sure ohci or uhci usb drivers are loaded, and > ehci if you want high speed. Also make sure usb-storage > driver module is loaded. Do that with a lsmod command, > Do a modprobe usb-storage if it isn't loaded. > > Try a lsusb command, if drivers are loaded this will list out usb > devices. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Tue Dec 14 10:24:28 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412141624.iBEGOTpQ020797@mac.com> Wow, sorry to hear about that. I'm not a dell advocate by any means, but I've had by far positive experiences. I believe there was a time when even Lat support was handled outside the US, so perhaps you ran up against that. Having used Apple, Dell, HP, Sony (Sony actually the worst by far) etc.. I think Dell has the best support bases covered the best through sheer size. I usually have a knowledgeable tech here the next day (or 4hrs if it's a server) with the right part, and often I don't even have to call, I just create the case on the web. I am investigating being "Certified" by Dell which I believe costs around 300 dollars and lets you directly dispatch techs from their website as though you were actually and inside Dell tech. Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Loren H. Burlingame Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:18 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:00:20 -0600, Chris Smith wrote: > Now that IBM is > selling though, I'd go Dell. You can get repairs done and get ahold of > someone, and their onsite service is good. (get a lattitude and you > can talk to US based support, vs. India.) I have a Lat D800 running > FC3 and it works very well, though I haven't had time to play w/ the > wireless yet everything else works great. I strongly recommend *not* going with dell for laptops. I have a Latitude c640 and while it works just fine with linux I have had some serious overheating problems. The thing always seemed to get hotter than I would ever imagine could be normal (regularly runs at about 141 celsius with nothing else going) and sure enough less than a year after I bought it the motherboard died due to overheating. Looking at message boards, this would seem to be a very common problem with Dell laptops, to the point where there are a couple 3rd party fan utilities written specifically for them to keep their fans running at full tilt at all times. I spent a week with support trying to get my motherboard replaced, which did ultimately happen, but it was a hassle. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Dec 14 09:44:26 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <16831.2650.259006.98831@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Reynolds writes: Jason> I have found that http://www.linux-laptop.net/ has a nice Jason> list of how to load linux on different Jason> laptops. http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html may also Jason> have some information for you. I'm sure you found those Jason> using google, but thought I would list them anyway. I found Jason> them usefull when loading linux on my Dell Inspiron 8000. I Jason> remember hearing about some emachine laptop that was Jason> inexpensive <$900 and ran linux without much Jason> difficulty. Hope you find yourself a killer laptop. Jason> I have been wanting to get a Alienware laptop for quite Jason> some time now. I think it would make a killer gaming system Jason> / Linux powerhorse. I'd love to hear more about this. I've had the exact opposite experience with linux-laptop.net. My experience is that by the time there's a good entry in that chart, the hardware is no longer available for purchase :-( Or, if you're particularly lucky, the model numbers have stayed constant, but the giblets of the laptop have changed. :-( :-( Any guides to being able to buy hardware that someone's really been successful with? The preinstalled linux laptop vendors seem way expensive, and many of them seem to make their own hand-hacked distros that they don't keep especially up-to-date with reinstall disks, security patches, etc. I'm limping along using Mandrake on my Gateway, but since standby and swsuspecd don't work right (ATI video drivers get porked), it's only useful when I get to sit somewhere for a long time. more a luggable than a laptop... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 14 10:16:29 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <1469cda2041214070149a9f959@mail.gmail.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <20041213150119.A12284@thinkunix.net> <1469cda2041214070149a9f959@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041214101629.A23311@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:01:44AM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > the way i understand it, IBM still retains rights to the 'think' line > for several years. i Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case. From the C|Net article: "Lenovo will be the preferred supplier of PCs to IBM and will be allowed to use the IBM brand for five years under an agreement that includes the "Think" brand." IBM is selling off all of their PCs, including th laptops, but Lenovo gets to use the IBM name during a transition period. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 10:21:53 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: OT Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041214101629.A23311@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213121743.A22878@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <1102964671.16002.28.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <20041213150119.A12284@thinkunix.net> <1469cda2041214070149a9f959@mail.gmail.com> <20041214101629.A23311@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1469cda2041214082113fb5346@mail.gmail.com> oops, maybe i should use my head for thinking more often On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:16:29 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:01:44AM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > > the way i understand it, IBM still retains rights to the 'think' line > > for several years. > i > Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case. From the > C|Net article: > > "Lenovo will be the preferred supplier of PCs to IBM and will be > allowed to use the IBM brand for five years under an agreement > that includes the "Think" brand." > > IBM is selling off all of their PCs, including th laptops, but > Lenovo gets to use the IBM name during a transition period. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons | > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Tue Dec 14 10:48:35 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412140835.04192.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20041214023203.GZ2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412140835.04192.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20041214164835.GB2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:35:03AM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote: > On Monday 13 December 2004 8:32 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:03:26PM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote: > > > On Monday 13 December 2004 4:37 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > > > I don't have the 802.11g card working (with ndiswrapper) yet, but > > > > > I know others have managed to get this to work. > > > > > > I also have an Atheros chipset in this laptop. > > > > Why are you trying to use the ndis wrapper then? The linux driver exceeds > > the functionality of the windows driver, by far. > > When did I ever say a word about the ndis wrapper. Read all my comments and > please show me, I am interested. > > I am using the native Linux driver. Pardon me, someone munged the threading, Tom Marble is attempting to use the ndis wrapper. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 14 10:43:11 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I have a Latitude c640 and while it works just fine with linux I have > had some serious overheating problems. > > The thing always seemed to get hotter than I would ever imagine could be > normal (regularly runs at about 141 celsius with nothing else going) and > sure enough less than a year after I bought it the motherboard died due > to overheating. Looking at message boards, this would seem to be a very > common problem with Dell laptops, to the point where there are a couple > 3rd party fan utilities written specifically for them to keep their fans > running at full tilt at all times. > > I spent a week with support trying to get my motherboard replaced, which > did ultimately happen, but it was a hassle. We actually got Dell laptops specifically for the warranty they offer; I've got a Latitude C840, and have had some wear+tear problems (keyboard failing, battery latch falling off, small crack in the case by the ethernet port, etc) and a few not wear+tear problems (cdrom and fan going bad); every time I've called, they've had the parts to me the next day, along with a tech (if I wanted one). CompleteCare rules! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Tue Dec 14 10:57:07 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <16831.2725.946676.55353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <20041213212645.GW2300@momentum.poptix.net> <16831.2725.946676.55353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20041214165707.GC2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:45:41AM -0600, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Does the ACPI stuff work right? software suspend? Yep, hibernation as well. > > Thanks! > R -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Tue Dec 14 14:00:06 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041214164835.GB2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <41BDD776.3080901@citilink.com> <200412131803.26473.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20041214023203.GZ2300@momentum.poptix.net> <200412140835.04192.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20041214164835.GB2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <41BF4646.7030800@info9.net> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Pardon me, someone munged the threading, Tom Marble > is attempting to use the ndis wrapper. I'd much prefer a native driver for the Broadcom 802.11g ... I haven't found one.... have you? http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html http://zd7000forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2986&sid=f09a53abcbbdf63d4476b7a2bfcc3473 http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/index.php Pointers welcome! --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From obelin23 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 12:48:20 2004 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04121406074d2c3daf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> <65293fcc04121406074d2c3daf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72278d1041214104833b52e75@mail.gmail.com> Just checking here - a couple of these responses suggested mounting the iso and editing that. If my memory serves me right from when I tried doing this about a month ago, mounting an iso image is read-only. The response that suggested mounting, then copying to elsewhere and modifying, then making a new iso, seemed to imply that. Am I correct that mounted iso images are read-only? If I am wrong, what are the command line switches to mount an iso read-write? Thanks, Charlie O On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:07:26 -0600, John Meier wrote: > : > > Anyone know of a util that would let me edit a say a text file that already > > exists on and ISO and save it back to the image, then burn? I'd like to be > > able to make on-the-fly mods to my unattend.txt type files and still be able > > to burn the image.. Sort of like GhostExplorer for .gho files. Am I > > explaining this well at all? Thanks! > > I modified a KnoppixMAME iso to put some game ROMS on it - here's what I did: > > mount up ISO image > copy the image to another location > cd /path/to/copyed/iso > edit add files > mkisofs -o /path/to/new_knoppixxmame.iso -V "knoppix" \ > -l -r -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat \ > -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table . > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 11:15:14 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> Message-ID: <9d6c825304121409153c1187b9@mail.gmail.com> I've had better luck than that with a Dell c640. I did get the overheating issue but I think it is resolved with the 2.6 kernel. There was a specific program that I ran i8kbuttons from the Debian packages that helped the overheating issue. However, you had to run the application all the time and it constantly ran the fans. My suggestion with a laptop is to get a popular low end model. If you have the opportunity, use a Knoppix CD at the store to make sure that most of the devices work for you. Most likely, the internal modem won't work, but make sure the video card does. Or I've been eyeing the 4GB palm sized linux computer from Japan with English translations. It goes for around $900. I think it is the SL-3000. I'm trying to come up with some justification for getting this instead of a full laptop for work. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 16:07:05 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff041214074875d871bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> <4ecba2ff041214074875d871bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41BF6409.8070907@comcast.net> Arkajyoti Misra wrote: ># /sbin/lsmod >Module Size Used by Not tainted >usb-storage 70432 0 (unused) >trident 33364 0 (autoclean) >ac97_codec 16744 0 (autoclean) [trident] >pcigame 2632 0 (autoclean) [trident] >gameport 3380 0 (autoclean) [pcigame] >soundcore 6468 3 (autoclean) [trident] >lp 8580 0 (autoclean) >parport 37056 0 (autoclean) [lp] >autofs 12084 0 (autoclean) (unused) >ds 8680 1 >yenta_socket 13472 1 >pcmcia_core 56256 0 [ds yenta_socket] >8139too 16616 1 >mii 3992 0 [8139too] >ipt_REJECT 4248 6 (autoclean) >iptable_filter 2444 1 (autoclean) >ip_tables 15136 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter] >sg 35436 0 (autoclean) >sr_mod 17400 2 (autoclean) >microcode 4188 0 (autoclean) >ide-scsi 12016 1 >ide-cd 34432 0 >cdrom 34592 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] >sd_mod 13420 0 (autoclean) (unused) >scsi_mod 110280 5 (autoclean) [usb-storage sg sr_mod >ide-scsi sd_mod] >vfat 12524 0 (autoclean) >fat 38040 0 (autoclean) [vfat] >keybdev 2656 0 (unused) >mousedev 5268 1 >hid 23908 0 (unused) >input 5888 0 [keybdev mousedev hid] >ehci-hcd 20008 0 (unused) >usb-ohci 21544 0 (unused) >usbcore 78752 1 [usb-storage hid ehci-hcd usb-ohci] >ext3 71620 2 >jbd 51276 2 [ext3] > > ># /sbin/modprobe usb-storage >gives nothing. > > ># /sbin/lsusb >Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 >Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 >Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > >I need some help to interpret the results above. >Thanks. > >Arko. > > The output of /sbin/lsmod should list vfat, scsi_mod, sd_mod, usbcore, usb-uhci, and usb-storage for your card reader to operate correctly. And you most certainly do have those modules loaded which you can see from above. But those drivers being loaded don't necessarily mean the hardware is working. I'll get to that in a sec. modprobing usb-storage is meant to insert the module into the running linux kernel. The fact it spits nothing back at you is a good thing. But it was already loaded as can be attested to by the previous command. /sbin/lsusb is at least identifying the USB buses which those three lines are Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 If you issued this command while a USB device was connected you would see something like: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 04e6:000a SCM Microsystems, Inc. (Which is a ZiO! CF reader) I'm guessing any USB devices altogether aren't being identified. Has your USB ever worked with linux? It also could just be usb-storage isn't configured properly. Have you rolled your own kernel? I'm assuming you run 2.4.* cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Then look for USB Support ---> USB Mass Storage support < > Card support 1 < > Card support 2 < > Card support 3 < > ... If you make a change under USB Mass Storage support, save the kernel config when it asks you, then do 'make modules && make modules_install'. Issue '/sbin/rmmod usb-storage' then /sbin/modprobe usb-storage'. I know default fedora to be pretty complete in its selection to provide everything to run without much change to the internals, but you might have some weird card that can't be identified. This is only the case if other USB stuff does work though. Try restarting your laptop and entering BIOS (DEL or F1 at boot) toggling off the Plug-n-Play USB or look for other options that might be interfering. If nothing really moves you forward, you could spend a few minutes (heh hours) at http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 14 15:45:12 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Dec 14 15:27:45 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <9d6c825304121409153c1187b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> <9d6c825304121409153c1187b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16831.23249.155430.632787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Rasmussen writes: Jeff> I've had better luck than that with a Dell c640. I did get the Jeff> overheating issue but I think it is resolved with the 2.6 kernel. Jeff> There was a specific program that I ran i8kbuttons from the Debian Jeff> packages that helped the overheating issue. However, you had to run Jeff> the application all the time and it constantly ran the fans. Jeff> My suggestion with a laptop is to get a popular low end Jeff> model. If you have the opportunity, use a Knoppix CD at the Jeff> store to make sure that most of the devices work for you. Jeff> Most likely, the internal modem won't work, but make sure Jeff> the video card does. This was what I did. Let me add a caution --- try to figure out how to test the sleep and software suspend features of ACPI or APM. Having a laptop that can't hibernate or even go into standby without losing your X session is nasty. I speak from sad experience.... :-( _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 14 15:10:07 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie - SSH/Putty Question In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04120811223b255d36@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c4dc84$412a9500$6501a8c0@P2500> <16822.4167.295224.51408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20041208043745.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208132832.GA9166@mail.el-swifto.com> <20041208163300.GJ2300@momentum.poptix.net> <20041208181852.GA16252@mail.el-swifto.com> <67f3084a04120811223b255d36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41BF56AF.6030102@veldy.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: >This is what I use to add a user to a RH box: > >#useradd -c "User Name" -d /home/dir -e YYYY-MM-DD -g group -m -s >shell -u uid# login > >Then I set the users password. > > > Why not just set the users password with the login? # passwd username -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 07C7 BF05 4176 F50B A083 4542 0118 1315 761F D300 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Tue Dec 14 15:58:49 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <72278d1041214104833b52e75@mail.gmail.com> References: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> <65293fcc04121406074d2c3daf@mail.gmail.com> <72278d1041214104833b52e75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041214215849.GA11350@callisto> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:48:20PM +0000, Charlie O wrote: > Just checking here - a couple of these responses suggested mounting > the iso and editing that. > [...] > Am I correct that mounted iso images are read-only? If I am wrong, > what are the command line switches to mount an iso read-write? Correct. ISO's are read-only. You have to mount the ISO, copy the files out to a directory, edit them there, then create a new ISO from the modified directory. At least AFAIK. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Tue Dec 14 17:52:49 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0412141450a6535f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> <4ecba2ff041214074875d871bd@mail.gmail.com> <41BF6409.8070907@comcast.net> <4ecba2ff0412141450a6535f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41BF7CD1.3020309@comcast.net> Arkajyoti Misra wrote: >Thanks Adam. I have identified the problem with my USB device. I >borrowed two different USB devices (a memory stick and an external >hard drive) from my friend and they worked fine. Also I use a USB >mouse which works fine too. So, do you think recompiling the kernel >might help to recognize this particular device? I am running default >kernel 2.4.22. > >Arko. > > Right, you don't need to compile a whole new kernel, just need to alter the usb-storage module a bit. Do this and see if you can't identify the proper option that will support your reader. If all options are checked or after selecting them all and recompiling the usb-storarge module it still doesn't work, I would guess you might want to look into another card reader. cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Then look for USB Support ---> (scroll down to USB support and hit enter) USB Mass Storage support (make sure this is selected as a module) < > Card support 1 (hit space to select) < > Card support 2 < > Card support 3 < > ... Hit ESC a few times (or exit) and say yes to save. Then do 'make modules && make modules_install'. Issue '/sbin/rmmod usb-storage' then '/sbin/modprobe usb-storage'. Regards Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 15:48:43 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: <72278d1041214104833b52e75@mail.gmail.com> References: <200412131952.iBDJq3IM019277@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> <200412132127.iBDLQuXn006285@mac.com> <65293fcc04121406074d2c3daf@mail.gmail.com> <72278d1041214104833b52e75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:48:20 +0000, Charlie O wrote: > Am I correct that mounted iso images are read-only? If I am wrong, > what are the command line switches to mount an iso read-write? Yes that's correct....at least in my experience. I've always had to do the mount/copy/modify/mkisofs routine. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Dec 14 22:39:18 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: (message from Nate Carlson on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:43:11 -0600 (CST)) References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> Message-ID: <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: >> I have a Latitude c640 and while it works just fine with linux I have >> had some serious overheating problems. >> >> The thing always seemed to get hotter than I would ever imagine could be >> normal (regularly runs at about 141 celsius with nothing else going) and >> sure enough less than a year after I bought it the motherboard died due >> to overheating. Looking at message boards, this would seem to be a very >> common problem with Dell laptops, to the point where there are a couple >> 3rd party fan utilities written specifically for them to keep their fans >> running at full tilt at all times. >> >> I spent a week with support trying to get my motherboard replaced, which >> did ultimately happen, but it was a hassle. Nate Carlson wrote: >We actually got Dell laptops specifically for the warranty they offer; >I've got a Latitude C840, and have had some wear+tear problems (keyboard >failing, battery latch falling off, small crack in the case by the >ethernet port, etc) and a few not wear+tear problems (cdrom and fan going >bad); every time I've called, they've had the parts to me the next day, >along with a tech (if I wanted one). CompleteCare rules! >From the above, is it fair to conclude that Dell laptops have poor MTBFs, or do the Dell laptops last a few years before they break? Despite the great Dell service, I think we'd all prefer a laptop that didn't fail due to faulty design, components or assembly! Sorry, "No failures rules!" Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Tue Dec 14 18:46:17 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <41BE877A.4050601@comcast.net> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> <41BE877A.4050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20041215004617.GA4765@dad1> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 12:26:02AM -0600, Adam Shrode wrote: > Arkajyoti Misra wrote: > > > I am running FC1 on a Toshiba satellite laptop and trying to get the > > OS to recognize my USB jumpdrive. Do Adams suggestions below. When the kernel loads the various hardware probing leaves a log. Some useful information to look for is any hardware identification. Also you want to look for any error messages. When you plug in a USB device, the kernel will leave some message showing the new device, You might want to try some other usb gadget as well. You should see some trace from dmesg, and the new device should show up with lsusb. Once that works, usb-storage should take over. You might want to get a recent copy of Knoppix and see if it does any better. The newer Knoppix comes with an optional 2.6.x kernel. You could get into compiling the latest kernels, but that takes some experience. > > Please post what you get when you do the following: > > Unplug the USB reader and card and issue the command 'tail > /var/log/messages/' then plug the reader back in and insert the card > back into the reader and issue 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb. Issue > 'tail -20 /var/log/messages' and then post back with the output of both > runs of tail. > > Also issue the command 'dmesg | grep -i usb' > > This is looking at fault mostly on the system, but you might also want > to check the card you're trying to read is also good. After you did the > above (with your card still in the machine, try doing '/sbin/fdisk -l > /dev/sda1' I'm assuming that this card is good as in you have taken > pictures on it and can read the pics back off on your camera. If you > had another card that is free of space or if the card you are trying to > read is free of space, try formatting the card first. > > Also, /dev/sda1 should be dynamically created, make sure it is gone when > you disconnect your USB reader from your laptop and reappears when you > plug it back in. > > So do > file /dev/sda1 OR ls -l /dev/sda1 > before and after connecting your reader/card > > Adam > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 15 08:48:32 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice Message-ID: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> Help! My wireless router died last week and I need to replace it. It was a Netgear MR314, with a quirky web interface and a quirkier telnet interface. I need some advice for a new wireless access point, and I am looking for personal experiences with reliability and configuration. I am mostly looking at D-Link 784 [1] and D-Link 7100 [2]. Why should I choose the router over the access point? AFAIK the router contains a switch, a router and a firewall while the access point has fancier authentication/authorization. For a home user, is it useful to have a real access point? Do you know of a wireless router that has different DHCP ranges for wireless and wired? Any suggestions for any other brands? I need something good, but not far from the $100 mark. Thank you, florin [1] http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=2&pid=299 [2] http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=2&pid=304 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 09:09:42 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice In-Reply-To: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> References: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a04121507095af02728@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:48:32 -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > I need some advice for a new wireless access point, and I am > looking for personal experiences with reliability and configuration. > > I am mostly looking at D-Link 784 [1] and D-Link 7100 [2]. > Why should I choose the router over the access point? AFAIK > the router contains a switch, a router and a firewall while the > access point has fancier authentication/authorization. For a > home user, is it useful to have a real access point? I'm interested in this as well, however I'm looking at the wireless access point from Linksys. I use IPCop for my firewall, and want to have my wireless access point separate so if I want, I can put it on either the DMZ or within my internal network. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Dec 15 08:57:46 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice In-Reply-To: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> References: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Wed Dec 15 09:17:40 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modify an iso? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412151517.iBFFHgac002991@mac.com> Thanks all, I ended up wimping out and using Nero which lets me modify files by saving the project, I can open it up and change the winnt.sif file without having to do it all over again.(this is for an unattended XP install of all things). It works really well. I am interested in the linux route, just gotta find the time. I try to stay booted into linux as much as possible, but running a windows network this often mean I at least have to leave a VMWare machine open :-( Thanks again, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Wed Dec 15 09:21:22 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <9d6c825304121409153c1187b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200412151521.iBFFLNj0018218@mac.com> Jeff, that is a good point. The more popular the laptop the more help you'll find online. C -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Rasmussen Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:15 AM To: loren@lhb.name; TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice I've had better luck than that with a Dell c640. I did get the overheating issue but I think it is resolved with the 2.6 kernel. There was a specific program that I ran i8kbuttons from the Debian packages that helped the overheating issue. However, you had to run the application all the time and it constantly ran the fans. My suggestion with a laptop is to get a popular low end model. If you have the opportunity, use a Knoppix CD at the store to make sure that most of the devices work for you. Most likely, the internal modem won't work, but make sure the video card does. Or I've been eyeing the 4GB palm sized linux computer from Japan with English translations. It goes for around $900. I think it is the SL-3000. I'm trying to come up with some justification for getting this instead of a full laptop for work. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Wed Dec 15 09:30:34 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice In-Reply-To: References: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> Message-ID: <41C0589A.7010401@info9.net> steve ulrich wrote: > i've been recommending folks take a look at the wrt54g from linksys. > there's an active community of folks hacking away on them and they run > linux. I would agree with this... Let me add a couple points: - Get the WRT54GS -- it has more memory There's lot's of new ones on eBay... There *was* recently a rebate at CompUSA to bring it down to $69.99 now it's back to $79.99 http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=311221&pfp=srch1&tabtype=rb - http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWRT54GS - My current direction for hacking: http://openwrt.org/ - Other approaches http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html http://www.sveasoft.com/ http://www.hyperdrive.be/hyperwrt/index.php?page=features - Extra credit: Python on the WRT54GS! http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/183.html Alas, I've received it, but I haven't had time to hack the WRT54GS yet!! Regards, --Tom P.S. Other hacking references: http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp http://www.batbox.org/nslu2-linux.html http://engadget.com/entry/3239236368178882/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at mac.com Wed Dec 15 09:27:07 2004 From: christophermsmith at mac.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <200412151527.iBFFR9tk021258@mac.com> Hmm. Having had a lot of dells, I'd say they are average, with Lattitudes seemingly more solid than Inspirons. I also think that all manufacturing seems to go thru fazes when it comes to quality. There was a time when HPs Pavilions were great, and then I had a series of them that were truly a nightmare right around the PII-450 days, and then they got better again. For a while I'd get a series of them that would blue screen out of the box. I've had several Inspiron 8500 drives go bad lately too (we went thru a short faze of buying Inspirons for some reason). Though I think a lot of users have been leaving their laptops out in the car with 9 degree weather overnight, and then turning them on first thing in the morning. :-( Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop advice >On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: >> I have a Latitude c640 and while it works just fine with linux I have >> had some serious overheating problems. >> >> The thing always seemed to get hotter than I would ever imagine could >> be normal (regularly runs at about 141 celsius with nothing else >> going) and sure enough less than a year after I bought it the >> motherboard died due to overheating. Looking at message boards, this >> would seem to be a very common problem with Dell laptops, to the >> point where there are a couple 3rd party fan utilities written >> specifically for them to keep their fans running at full tilt at all times. >> >> I spent a week with support trying to get my motherboard replaced, >> which did ultimately happen, but it was a hassle. Nate Carlson wrote: >We actually got Dell laptops specifically for the warranty they offer; >I've got a Latitude C840, and have had some wear+tear problems >(keyboard failing, battery latch falling off, small crack in the case >by the ethernet port, etc) and a few not wear+tear problems (cdrom and >fan going bad); every time I've called, they've had the parts to me the >next day, along with a tech (if I wanted one). CompleteCare rules! >From the above, is it fair to conclude that Dell laptops have poor MTBFs, or do the Dell laptops last a few years before they break? Despite the great Dell service, I think we'd all prefer a laptop that didn't fail due to faulty design, components or assembly! Sorry, "No failures rules!" Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Wed Dec 15 11:17:26 2004 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice In-Reply-To: <41C0589A.7010401@info9.net> References: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> <41C0589A.7010401@info9.net> Message-ID: <200412151117.26356.scheides@iexposure.com> Linksys WRT54G/GS + www.sveasoft.com = :) -scheides On Wednesday 15 December 2004 09:30 am, Tom Marble wrote: > steve ulrich wrote: > > i've been recommending folks take a look at the wrt54g from linksys. > > there's an active community of folks hacking away on them and they run > > linux. > > I would agree with this... Let me add a couple points: > > - Get the WRT54GS -- it has more memory > There's lot's of new ones on eBay... > There *was* recently a rebate at CompUSA to bring it down to $69.99 > now it's back to $79.99 > > http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=311221&pfp=sr >ch1&tabtype=rb - http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison > http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWRT54GS > - My current direction for hacking: > http://openwrt.org/ > - Other approaches > http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html > http://www.sveasoft.com/ > http://www.hyperdrive.be/hyperwrt/index.php?page=features > - Extra credit: Python on the WRT54GS! > http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/183.html > > Alas, I've received it, but I haven't had time to hack the WRT54GS yet!! > > Regards, > > --Tom > > P.S. Other hacking references: > > http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp > http://www.batbox.org/nslu2-linux.html > http://engadget.com/entry/3239236368178882/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 15 13:20:12 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > From the above, is it fair to conclude that Dell laptops have poor > MTBFs, or do the Dell laptops last a few years before they break? > > Despite the great Dell service, I think we'd all prefer a laptop that > didn't fail due to faulty design, components or assembly! > > Sorry, "No failures rules!" I'm fairly hard on my laptops; I actually *use* it all day every day, and take it with me wherever I go, and it doesn't seem that the mfr's anticipate this. If Toughbooks were a bit more powerful, that'd be a good fit for me. :) (In other words, I've never had a laptop that lasted more than a year without a problem that needed a repair of some sort; Dell's actually probably been the most reliable that I've had.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Dec 15 12:20:05 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cyrus, IMAP, users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> I want to set up Cyrus IMAP on a server with a bunch of accounts, but I don't want to have logins for each user. SMTP AUTH, IMAP over SSL and all that good stuff are also on my to-do list. Where can I find documentation on how to do this? Many thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 15 14:09:43 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200412151527.iBFFR9tk021258@mac.com> References: <200412151527.iBFFR9tk021258@mac.com> Message-ID: <1103141383.41c09a0759e47@joshwelch.com> Quoting Chris Smith : > Hmm. Having had a lot of dells, I'd say they are average, with Lattitudes > seemingly more solid than Inspirons. I also think that all manufacturing > seems to go thru fazes when it comes to quality. There was a time when HPs > Pavilions were great, and then I had a series of them that were truly a > nightmare right around the PII-450 days, and then they got better again. For > a while I'd get a series of them that would blue screen out of the box. I've > had several Inspiron 8500 drives go bad lately too (we went thru a short > faze of buying Inspirons for some reason). Though I think a lot of users > have been leaving their laptops out in the car with 9 degree weather > overnight, and then turning them on first thing in the morning. :-( > > Chris > I very much agree with the statement about manufacturers and their hardware quality cycling, especially with laptops. Someone gets a bad batch of stuff and all hell breaks loose witha a specific model. I bought 12 HP laptops about 3 years ago. Withing 6 months 7 of them had to have motherboards replaced when they decided to stop booting. Once replaced with a decent board they were quite good, I think I still have a couple of them issued to my less well behaved users :) Anyway, to try and keep on topic, try to find someone happy with a specific model rather than a specific manufacturer. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Wed Dec 15 16:35:09 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0412150929463816a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ecba2ff0412132042354ca275@mail.gmail.com> <20041214094018.GB4271@dad1> <4ecba2ff041214074875d871bd@mail.gmail.com> <41BF6409.8070907@comcast.net> <4ecba2ff0412141450a6535f4@mail.gmail.com> <41BF7C3D.7060703@comcast.net> <4ecba2ff0412150929463816a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41C0BC1D.1060407@comcast.net> Arkajyoti Misra wrote: >NO LUCK!! >It seems there is no support for the device I have. I found and >selected an entry against a LEXAR memory device under the usb mass >storage menu and then ran the commands you wrote. It took about 15-20 >minutes to compile. There was no error message. However, nothing >changed. I rebooted the machine with the modified kernel but no luck >either. >So, I guess I have to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel version to see if they >have included any support for my device. Also I have two memory cards >for my digital camera which which are not recognised either. >What is the difference between a full scale kernel compilation (make >depend etc.) and the process you suggested (make modules etc.)? > >Thanks again. > >Arko. > > I regret to hear it didn't work. Per http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x45.html, What exactly is a kernel module? Modules are pieces of code that can be loaded and unloaded into the kernel upon demand. They extend the functionality of the kernel without the need to reboot the system. For example, one type of module is the device driver, which allows the kernel to access hardware connected to the system. Without modules, we would have to build monolithic kernels and add new functionality directly into the kernel image. Besides having larger kernels, this has the disadvantage of requiring us to rebuild and reboot the kernel every time we want new functionality. So you shouldn't have needed to restart the system as we weren't compiling the kernel, just a module. I hope that's clear. The reason it took 20 minutes is A) you have a really old laptop, or B) fedora selects every damn thing under the sun to work as a module, and I'm guessing it's B. I can almost guarantee you don't need 80% of the stuff selected in the kernel. (It takes me about a minute when I make my own modules) If you have an extra day, I readily encourage you to try to roll your own kernel. First, make an emergency boot disk. As long as you can boot from you CD, you can use the first CD of the Fedora installation set. To get your own kernel go to kernel.org and download 2.6.9 into /usr/src/ gzip -cd linux-2.6.XX.tar.gz | tar xvf - rm linux ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.XX linux cd linux-2.6.XX make menuconfig (or make xconfig or make gconfig) make make modules_install ----- Then you might have to manually configure. The file you need is in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage. That is the kernel. Since you're running fedora, cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.6 rm /boot/vmlinuz ln -s /boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz If you are running either grub or lilo, you can add an option at boot time of which kernel you would like to run, which is advisable so read the documentation for whichever man lilo man grub All modules are not in that kernel. They have to be loaded separately. Either from a boot file like /etc/modules.conf or manually line insmod You can think of the kernel as being builtin modules whereas the other modules are external modules and may be integrated with the builtin modules at a later point if that makes more sense. Expect the total time it will take to build your own kernel from 90 minutes to 3 hours. It depends if you go through and read every option possible. Just keep in mind when you roll your own kernel, you have to know *exactly* what's in your computer. It might be handy to make a list as everything will need to be supported which means a little asterisk (*) or an M by each option in the kernel. Regards Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Dec 15 16:19:24 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20041215221923.GE2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:20:12PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I'm fairly hard on my laptops; I actually *use* it all day every day, and > take it with me wherever I go, and it doesn't seem that the mfr's > anticipate this. If Toughbooks were a bit more powerful, that'd be a good > fit for me. :) > > (In other words, I've never had a laptop that lasted more than a year > without a problem that needed a repair of some sort; Dell's actually > probably been the most reliable that I've had.) I'm in the same boat, and found the solution for both my Apple PowerBook, and Toshiba: Buy the 3 year warranty, make use of it when necessary, sell it when you have 1 year remaining on ebay (laptops with warranties go for much more) So far the PowerBook has had the motherboard, psu, screen, hard drive, and track pad replaced. Fortunately they (usually) have a fast turnaround time and occasionally the same-day if it's a part your local Apple store has in stock. The Toshiba hasn't had any problems yet, but I'll still upgrade and sell it in 2 years or so. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Wed Dec 15 17:15:31 2004 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: USB jumpdrive and FC1 Message-ID: <1103152531.5248.21.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> > Arkajyoti Misra wrote: > > > I am running FC1 on a Toshiba satellite laptop and trying to get the > > OS to recognize my USB jumpdrive. You might want to confirm what file system is imprinted on your jumpdrive chip. It's probably an M$ file system, which is perfectly fine. Other filesystems aren't necessarily a problem. Second, investigate your distribution. Sadly, Fedora Core just doesn't do well mounting USB-based file systems. I have the same PC I had two years ago; FC1 could not mount my USB memory stick, FC2 found it but mounted it non-writeable, and FC3 did no better. That is a year of 'progress'. I am sure the problem is not the kernel but the implementation of autofs. A year ago I ran Knoppix 3.4 running the 2.4 kernel; it not only sensed the USB memory stick but mounted it writeable in the same machine where I installed FC1,2, and 3. Knoppix 3.6 did even better -- more automated, somewhat dumbed-down, but very slick. SuSE was/is just as good. But that's not the kernel. It's autofs, and more precisely, the scripting around autofs. FCs autofs implementation has a bad script, but you can work around it if you must. Better yet, change to SuSE or some other distribution that has a good track record with autofs. But if you decide to keep your current OS, then tackle autofs. The problem is not in the kernel. John Reese _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:10:48 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20041215221923.GE2300@momentum.poptix.net> References: <67f3084a04121313146af524f@mail.gmail.com> <200412132300.iBDN0KDF029345@mac.com> <200412150439.iBF4dIE25230@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20041215221923.GE2300@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:19:24 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I'm in the same boat, and found the solution for both my Apple PowerBook, > and Toshiba: > > Buy the 3 year warranty, make use of it when necessary, sell it when you > have 1 year remaining on ebay (laptops with warranties go for much more) > > So far the PowerBook has had the motherboard, psu, screen, hard drive, and > track pad replaced. Fortunately they (usually) have a fast turnaround time > and occasionally the same-day if it's a part your local Apple store has in > stock. > > The Toshiba hasn't had any problems yet, but I'll still upgrade and sell > it in 2 years or so. > excellent advice. No matter what laptop you choose, make sure you get the extended warranty. It will be money well spent. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu Dec 16 07:11:13 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cyrus, IMAP, users In-Reply-To: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <41C18971.5080307@cruiskeen.com> Chris Schumann wrote: > I want to set up Cyrus IMAP on a server with a bunch of accounts, but I > don't want to have logins for each user. SMTP AUTH, IMAP over SSL and all > that good stuff are also on my to-do list. > > Where can I find documentation on how to do this? > 1. In the doc directory of the cyrus imapd and cyrus-sasl distributions 2. The Cyrus Wiki - > http://acs-wiki.andrew.cmu.edu/twiki/bin/view/Cyrus/WebHome 3. Cyrus mailing lists http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/mailing-list.html 4. Cyrus sasl for system administrators http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/cyrus/sysadmin.html This all depends on how you want to maintain your user database - in a berkeley db, LDAP, etc. > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 08:03:00 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Looking for an online Latin translator Message-ID: <67f3084a04121606035bf0dfd0@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a latin translator, or a website that has the latin words staticly translated. Anyone know of such a thing? I've googled, but haven't come up with any good ones that I like. thanks. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Thu Dec 16 09:57:45 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Looking for an online Latin translator In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04121606035bf0dfd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a04121606035bf0dfd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41C1B079.4050905@ryanorourke.org> Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm looking for a latin translator, or a website that has the latin > words staticly translated. > > Anyone know of such a thing? I've googled, but haven't come up with > any good ones that I like. Which ones have you tried? Did you check out the All Free Dictionaries project (FDicts)? http://www.fdicts.com/ It appears promising. HTH. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsanborn at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 09:35:24 2004 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Looking for an online Latin translator In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04121606035bf0dfd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you see http://www.google.com/language_tools? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:03 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Looking for an online Latin translator I'm looking for a latin translator, or a website that has the latin words staticly translated. Anyone know of such a thing? I've googled, but haven't come up with any good ones that I like. thanks. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Thu Dec 16 11:30:31 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <41C0BC1D.1060407@comcast.net> Message-ID: FC3 had no prob with my lexar jumpdrive -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Shrode Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:35 PM To: Arkajyoti Misra; tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 Arkajyoti Misra wrote: >NO LUCK!! >It seems there is no support for the device I have. I found and >selected an entry against a LEXAR memory device under the usb mass >storage menu and then ran the commands you wrote. It took about 15-20 >minutes to compile. There was no error message. However, nothing >changed. I rebooted the machine with the modified kernel but no luck >either. >So, I guess I have to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel version to see if they >have included any support for my device. Also I have two memory cards >for my digital camera which which are not recognised either. >What is the difference between a full scale kernel compilation (make >depend etc.) and the process you suggested (make modules etc.)? > >Thanks again. > >Arko. > > I regret to hear it didn't work. Per http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x45.html, What exactly is a kernel module? Modules are pieces of code that can be loaded and unloaded into the kernel upon demand. They extend the functionality of the kernel without the need to reboot the system. For example, one type of module is the device driver, which allows the kernel to access hardware connected to the system. Without modules, we would have to build monolithic kernels and add new functionality directly into the kernel image. Besides having larger kernels, this has the disadvantage of requiring us to rebuild and reboot the kernel every time we want new functionality. So you shouldn't have needed to restart the system as we weren't compiling the kernel, just a module. I hope that's clear. The reason it took 20 minutes is A) you have a really old laptop, or B) fedora selects every damn thing under the sun to work as a module, and I'm guessing it's B. I can almost guarantee you don't need 80% of the stuff selected in the kernel. (It takes me about a minute when I make my own modules) If you have an extra day, I readily encourage you to try to roll your own kernel. First, make an emergency boot disk. As long as you can boot from you CD, you can use the first CD of the Fedora installation set. To get your own kernel go to kernel.org and download 2.6.9 into /usr/src/ gzip -cd linux-2.6.XX.tar.gz | tar xvf - rm linux ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.XX linux cd linux-2.6.XX make menuconfig (or make xconfig or make gconfig) make make modules_install ----- Then you might have to manually configure. The file you need is in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage. That is the kernel. Since you're running fedora, cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.6 rm /boot/vmlinuz ln -s /boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz If you are running either grub or lilo, you can add an option at boot time of which kernel you would like to run, which is advisable so read the documentation for whichever man lilo man grub All modules are not in that kernel. They have to be loaded separately. Either from a boot file like /etc/modules.conf or manually line insmod You can think of the kernel as being builtin modules whereas the other modules are external modules and may be integrated with the builtin modules at a later point if that makes more sense. Expect the total time it will take to build your own kernel from 90 minutes to 3 hours. It depends if you go through and read every option possible. Just keep in mind when you roll your own kernel, you have to know *exactly* what's in your computer. It might be handy to make a list as everything will need to be supported which means a little asterisk (*) or an M by each option in the kernel. Regards Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 16 11:41:41 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? Message-ID: I've convered my box at home to Debian's AMD64 'pure64' distro. Unfortunately, some of the third-party sources.list entries I've been using don't have amd64 ports as of this time. I'd like to be able to list the ubuntu sources.list entries (they have most of the packages I need), but *not* upgrade to newer system packages in that archive per default. Is there any way to tell Debian to do that? In other words, I've got two entries in my sources.list file: deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 unstable main non-free contrib deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse If a package exists in debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org (ie, libc6), I want to use that one, even if a newer package is available from archive.ubuntu.com. If a package doesn't exist in alioth, or I specify a version that is on ubuntu, I want it to come from there. Is there any way to easily do this? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Dec 16 12:09:56 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C1CF74.2080000@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nate Carlson wrote: | | Is there any way to easily do this? | You are loooking for apt pinning. This allows you to give preference to certain packages, releases, versions, etc. This link to the apt-howto should get you started anyway. "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version" - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwc9ziwhv4FBqkV8RArq3AKCIvMM8er2hHi9MMfZsuG9OA9pNHwCff5/m mBC7gFtNYt3aP7jbeTbauo4= =7uSA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Thu Dec 16 12:48:36 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Semi-OT] Wireless access point advice In-Reply-To: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> References: <41C04EC0.7010809@iucha.net> Message-ID: <41C1D884.2010501@visi.com> Last summer I replaced my SMC 11b unit with a LinkSys 54MBps unit and I've very happy with the new box. And, to make it on-topic, the firmware runs Linux and a number of enterprising folks have developed firmware replacements to add new features. --rick http://www.seattlewireless.net/pipermail/dev/2004-October/014206.html Florin Iucha wrote: > Help! > > My wireless router died last week and I need to replace it. > It was a Netgear MR314, with a quirky web interface and a > quirkier telnet interface. > > I need some advice for a new wireless access point, and I am > looking for personal experiences with reliability and configuration. > > I am mostly looking at D-Link 784 [1] and D-Link 7100 [2]. > Why should I choose the router over the access point? AFAIK > the router contains a switch, a router and a firewall while the > access point has fancier authentication/authorization. For a > home user, is it useful to have a real access point? > > Do you know of a wireless router that has different DHCP ranges > for wireless and wired? > > Any suggestions for any other brands? I need something good, but > not far from the $100 mark. > > Thank you, > florin > > [1] http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=2&pid=299 > > [2] http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=2&pid=304 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 16 12:25:50 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041216182550.GC29531@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 16 12:58:44 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? In-Reply-To: <41C1CF74.2080000@druswanderings.net> References: <41C1CF74.2080000@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, The Wandering Dru wrote: > You are loooking for apt pinning. This allows you to give preference to > certain packages, releases, versions, etc. > > This link to the apt-howto should get you started anyway. > > "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version" Ah, great - this, combined with Chewie's post, gave me the details I need on using Pinning based on origin. Didn't realize you could do that! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Dec 16 12:24:58 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041216122458.A24155@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:41:41AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I've convered my box at home to Debian's AMD64 'pure64' distro. > Unfortunately, some of the third-party sources.list entries I've been > using don't have amd64 ports as of this time. I'd like to be able to list > the ubuntu sources.list entries (they have most of the packages I need), > but *not* upgrade to newer system packages in that archive per default. Is > there any way to tell Debian to do that? > > In other words, I've got two entries in my sources.list file: > > deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 unstable main non-free contrib > deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse > > If a package exists in debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org (ie, libc6), I want > to use that one, even if a newer package is available from > archive.ubuntu.com. If a package doesn't exist in alioth, or I specify a > version that is on ubuntu, I want it to come from there. > > Is there any way to easily do this? You should be able to do what you want with pinning. Take a look at the tutorial at: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html for more details check the Apt Howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 16 12:59:45 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question: add archive to sources.list, but don't use per default? In-Reply-To: <20041216182550.GC29531@wookimus.net> References: <20041216182550.GC29531@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > To "pin down" which archive you'ld prefer to receive packages from, you > need to use the /etc/apt/preferences file. (See apt_preferences(5).) <...> Wow, thanks for the super-detailed reply! Works great. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From arkajyoti at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:20:32 2004 From: arkajyoti at gmail.com (Arkajyoti Misra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: <41C0BC1D.1060407@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4ecba2ff041216132029c103f6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everybody for your thoughts and comments. Thanks for suggesting knoppix. I haven't heard about knoppix before and after reading about it from internet I found the idea interesting and want to try it in future. Also Scott's comment encourages me to do a FC1->FC3 upgrade. Adam, thanks for your way of explaining things. It is good that you suggested me to compile my own kernel. Actually I was thinking about that myself but wasn't very confident. I tried to recompile my existing 2.4.x kernel to have APM support. There was no error message during the process but when I tried to boot with the custom kernel the system hanged. There are so many postings in fedora forum with FC1->FC3 upgrade problems and problems with FC3 in general that I want to install FC3 in a new partition without touching my running FC1. After that I can safely play around with the 2.6.x kernel. Can I use the same swap partition for both FC1 and FC3? I am running Grub. Can I modify the grub.conf after the installation to include FC3 as a chainload option, or do I need to update the boot loader during installation? Anything else I need to know for the venture? Arko. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:30:31 -0600, Scott J Julian wrote: > FC3 had no prob with my lexar jumpdrive > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Shrode > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:35 PM > To: Arkajyoti Misra; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 > > Arkajyoti Misra wrote: > > >NO LUCK!! > >It seems there is no support for the device I have. I found and > >selected an entry against a LEXAR memory device under the usb mass > >storage menu and then ran the commands you wrote. It took about 15-20 > >minutes to compile. There was no error message. However, nothing > >changed. I rebooted the machine with the modified kernel but no luck > >either. > >So, I guess I have to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel version to see if they > >have included any support for my device. Also I have two memory cards > >for my digital camera which which are not recognised either. > >What is the difference between a full scale kernel compilation (make > >depend etc.) and the process you suggested (make modules etc.)? > > > >Thanks again. > > > >Arko. > > > > > > I regret to hear it didn't work. Per > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x45.html, > > What exactly is a kernel module? Modules are pieces of code that can be > loaded and unloaded into the kernel upon demand. They extend the > functionality of the kernel without the need to reboot the system. For > example, one type of module is the device driver, which allows the > kernel to access hardware connected to the system. Without modules, we > would have to build monolithic kernels and add new functionality > directly into the kernel image. Besides having larger kernels, this has > the disadvantage of requiring us to rebuild and reboot the kernel every > time we want new functionality. > > So you shouldn't have needed to restart the system as we weren't > compiling the kernel, just a module. I hope that's clear. The reason > it took 20 minutes is A) you have a really old laptop, or B) fedora > selects every damn thing under the sun to work as a module, and I'm > guessing it's B. I can almost guarantee you don't need 80% of the stuff > selected in the kernel. (It takes me about a minute when I make my own > modules) If you have an extra day, I readily encourage you to try to > roll your own kernel. > > First, make an emergency boot disk. As long as you can boot from you > CD, you can use the first CD of the Fedora installation set. > > To get your own kernel go to kernel.org and download 2.6.9 into /usr/src/ > gzip -cd linux-2.6.XX.tar.gz | tar xvf - > rm linux > ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.XX linux > cd linux-2.6.XX > make menuconfig (or make xconfig or make gconfig) > make > make modules_install > ----- > Then you might have to manually configure. The file you need is in > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage. That is the kernel. > > Since you're running fedora, > cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.6 > rm /boot/vmlinuz > ln -s /boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz > > If you are running either grub or lilo, you can add an option at boot > time of which kernel you would like to run, which is advisable so read > the documentation for whichever > man lilo > man grub > > All modules are not in that kernel. They have to be loaded separately. > Either from a boot file like /etc/modules.conf or manually line insmod > You can think of the kernel as being builtin modules whereas > the other modules are external modules and may be integrated with the > builtin modules at a later point if that makes more sense. > > Expect the total time it will take to build your own kernel from 90 > minutes to 3 hours. It depends if you go through and read every option > possible. > > Just keep in mind when you roll your own kernel, you have to know > *exactly* what's in your computer. It might be handy to make a list as > everything will need to be supported which means a little asterisk (*) > or an M by each option in the kernel. > > Regards > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at nomeaning.net Thu Dec 16 16:49:33 2004 From: tclug at nomeaning.net (Eric Lambart) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cyrus, IMAP, users In-Reply-To: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1103237373.3305.127.camel@thinky> On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 12:20 -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > I want to set up Cyrus IMAP on a server with a bunch of accounts, but I > don't want to have logins for each user. To prevent shell access/logins for a particular user, edit the /etc/passwd file (preferably with vipw) and change each user's shell from (for example) "/bin/bash" to "/bin/true". "/bin/false" also seems to work--I'm not clear if there's any reason to use one over the other. Anyone want to clarify that? Perhaps I misunderstood your question, though: By "a bunch of accounts", did you mean accounts for different people, or do you merely want to use numerous e-mail addresses for yourself at the same server? In the latter case, you'll want to set up aliases in your SMTP software. I use qmail, which like sendmail uses the /etc/aliases file (along with the newaliases command) to set up aliases for each user. Search the docs for whatever SMTP software you use for "alias" and you'll probably be able to find out how to do that. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Thu Dec 16 20:21:39 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cyrus, IMAP, users In-Reply-To: <1103237373.3305.127.camel@thinky> References: <200412151820.iBFIK4d6013040@alpha.twp-llc.com> <1103237373.3305.127.camel@thinky> Message-ID: <20041217022139.GH2300@momentum.poptix.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:49:33PM -0600, Eric Lambart wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 12:20 -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > > I want to set up Cyrus IMAP on a server with a bunch of accounts, but I > > don't want to have logins for each user. use libnssmysql and create the accounts in a mysql database. > > To prevent shell access/logins for a particular user, edit > the /etc/passwd file (preferably with vipw) and change each user's shell > from (for example) "/bin/bash" to "/bin/true". "/bin/false" also seems > to work--I'm not clear if there's any reason to use one over the other. > Anyone want to clarify that? chsh -s /bin/false -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Thu Dec 16 23:47:01 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff041216132029c103f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <41C0BC1D.1060407@comcast.net> <4ecba2ff041216132029c103f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41C272D5.3090200@comcast.net> Arkajyoti Misra wrote: >Thanks everybody for your thoughts and comments. Thanks for suggesting >knoppix. I haven't heard about knoppix before and after reading about >it from internet I found the idea interesting and want to try it in >future. Also Scott's comment encourages me to do a FC1->FC3 upgrade. > >Adam, thanks for your way of explaining things. It is good that you >suggested me to compile my own kernel. Actually I was thinking about >that myself but wasn't very confident. I tried to recompile my >existing 2.4.x kernel to have APM support. There was no error message >during the process but when I tried to boot with the custom kernel the >system hanged. > >There are so many postings in fedora forum with FC1->FC3 upgrade >problems and problems with FC3 in general that I want to install FC3 >in a new partition without touching my running FC1. After that I can >safely play around with the 2.6.x kernel. Can I use the same swap >partition for both FC1 and FC3? I am running Grub. Can I modify the >grub.conf after the installation to include FC3 as a chainload option, >or do I need to update the boot loader during installation? Anything >else I need to know for the venture? > >Arko. > > Knoppix is a great CD distro to have for troubleshooting purposes and to use as a boot disk when things don't go well, like your kernel doesn't boot and you didn't edit grub ;) Yes you can use the same swap space, in your case it would be /dev/hda5 it looks like. But you'll just have to specify that in the FC3 install. /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 I remember when I first compiled my own kernel and the reservations I had about it. Thing is, it was a lot easier to learn when a lot wasn't at stake, than when things were on the computer I had fears of losing through my negligence. Better now than later. Compiling your own kernel is actually way easy. You just need to know two things really, what I said in the last post (note those were directions for 2.6 kernel, NOT 2.4), and about your boot manager, in your case grub. I wrote something for someone who wiped out their grub by mistake in comp.os.linux.setup, you can find it at: http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&q=grub+linux+author%3A%22adam+shrode Note that in your case, in reference to the part where it says #mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/tmp #vi /mnt/tmp/boot/*grub*/*grub*.conf you don't need to mount /dev/hda1 because boot doesn't look like it is on a separate partition. you should just be able to go 'vi /boot/grub/grub.conf' if you want to edit directly like that. So just substitute /mnt/tmp with /boot wherever. Grub can be confusing, but it is pretty damn simple when stripped from its complexity. You can have 1, 2, 8, ... whatever compiled kernels. Grub just lets you select that kernel so have at it. You can keep your default kernel so your machine pretty much has to boot. Of course problems can arise if you try to install new software, but that's a separate problem you can address later by reading or asking. I upgraded FC1 to FC2 and stayed on the 2.4 kernel because I couldn't get the wireless acx100 drivers to work with 2.6. I recently tried to upgrade to FC2 to FC3 using yum, but failed due to udev. If you move to FC3, you should note that udev is distinct with how it creates /dev files like /dev/sda1 and every other /dev file. It creates it dynamically which is different than with how it is with FC1&2 where all the /dev files are there as specified from boot by the kernel options you had specified. Just stating as such because you'll probably notice that difference when working with USB. I haven't done a fresh install of FC (any version) so I'm not sure how that works exactly in the boot process. I would just not install grub or lilo if that is possible and then edit it later when install is complete. Or install it, but then edit it back the other way for FC1 when install is complete. Other than that, you'll want the website http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/ which goes through some explanation of what udev is and how to stay up to date using yum and stuff. And if you haven't already, change /etc/yum.conf to work with http://rpm.livna.org/. That will allow you to install some Good Stuff like mplayer, xine, frozen-bubble, or xmms-mp3. Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 17 10:22:32 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB jumpdrive and FC1 In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff041216132029c103f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <41C0BC1D.1060407@comcast.net> <4ecba2ff041216132029c103f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041217162232.GA2808@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From obelin23 at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 12:04:18 2004 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] word on Patrick Volkerding of Slackware Message-ID: <72278d104121710045152ff97@mail.gmail.com> Quoted from a posting on linuxpackages.net. >Also as we have heard already Pat is doing much better now and on the heal. He is ready to get back to work soon. I sure hope so. CO2 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Dec 17 21:05:08 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412180305.iBI358D31249@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Power supply for Toshiba Satellite laptop I inherited an old Toshiba Satellite laptop, model T1910CS/200, and the power supply for it has become broken. My 8-year-old daughter loves creating DOS documents on it, and the battery does not work. I am looking for a power supply for sale or for free. 18 volts 1.7 amps Seller Email address: tim dot link at mchsi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Sat Dec 18 14:46:58 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] voice over ip - sweet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got Asterisk (http://www.asterisk.org) up and running in my basement with a $20 FXO card I bought off ebay. I converted my entire phone system in my house to VoIP. Yeah, it's geeky. But, when I'm travelling, I have a softphone on my laptop with my home number on it. I've got a couple of Grandstream cheapy phones on the way too. Setting up the dialplan is a big PITA. I still have some work to do on it. But I've got call transfers working on all the extensions in the house, voicemail, integration with both the local POTS line and voicepulse.com. However, I am selling a couple of items if anyone is interested: 1 Spectralink 802.11b cordless VoIP phone. It's new, but missing the battery and charger. I know a couple of places in town sell them. The phone without charger lists for something like $450. First $100 takes it. I believe it speaks h.323, but might also do SIP. 1 Cisco 7920 802.11b cordless VoIP phone. This one is brand new, except I used it for about 2 hours. Comes with everything. This thing is sweet. Speaks SCCP, which works with asterisk if you download the chan_sccp module from sourceforge. List on this is around $600. First $350 takes it. You can have them both for $425. Also will consider trades for other VoIP equipment. Looking for SIP adapters, SIP phones (preferably the SNOM or Polycom ones). Could use a power over ethernet adapter also. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Dec 19 15:10:59 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079417469.9236.14.camel@max.local> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 15:47, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Anyone running an AGP and a PCI video card in their system? Nvidia, ATI, > or Matrox? Some combination? I ran a TNT2 Ultra AGP, TNT1 PCI and 3dfx Banshee PCI setup for quite some time. Binary nvidia driver on the TNT2, Xfree nv driver on the TNT1. 3D worked fine on the TNT2, any openGL windows just showed up as black if dragged onto the other screens. Generated a f-ckload of heat though. Great in the winter. Sucked in the summer. Also ran a Rage Pro instead of the TNT1 at first for a little while. They don't fully support multihead and won't work as a secondary card. I had to make the BIOS boot to the Rage Pro to get it to work, but both XFree and Win2K let me set the TNT2 as the "primary" screen for 3D and video overlays. Rage 128 and newer fully support multihead. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 19 16:45:57 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412180305.iBI358D31249@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: MPC in Eagan has a bunch of Toshiba power supplies. Probably has your model. Not free, but reasonably cheap. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of TCLUG Classifieds > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad > > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: Power supply for Toshiba Satellite laptop > > I inherited an old Toshiba Satellite laptop, model T1910CS/200, and the power supply for it has become broken. My > 8-year-old daughter loves creating DOS documents on it, and the battery does not work. I am looking for a power supply > for sale or for free. 18 volts 1.7 amps > > Seller Email address: tim dot link at mchsi dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Dec 19 19:59:13 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: <1079417469.9236.14.camel@max.local> References: <1079417469.9236.14.camel@max.local> Message-ID: <1103507953.24287.4.camel@bigtime> Neat, I fired up Evolution on my laptop for the first time in many months, and this message was still in the outbox. And evolution happily sent it on its way... Thread necromancy! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at fruitioninc.com Mon Dec 20 18:23:03 2004 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP Proxy server using iptables Message-ID: <1103588583.41c76ce7264bc@webmail.real-time.com> At work I am behind a firewall that blocks the SSL POP port (995). However, there are various other ports that are not blocked (e.g. 993). What I would like to do is setup some sort of thingy on my home firewall that acts as a proxy for the POP server at my ISP. I could then point my mail reader at port 993 of my firewall and have it appear as though my firewall was the POP server at my ISP. I have done this in the past with a few strategies including writing a custom proxy server and using the -L option of ssh(1). I'm wondering if I could accomplish the same thing with iptables. Has anyone any ideas? I'm guessing I can use a combination of SNAT and DNAT, but I'm not sure if it would work because I see no examples of people using NAT to forward packets to a server that is external to their network. Normally the server is inside their network. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan at integraonline.com Mon Dec 20 21:26:18 2004 From: ryan at integraonline.com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting MDS and CUE image files Message-ID: I have several MDS and CUE CD image files I'd like to mount directly in linux, simliar to ISO files. Does anybody know of any such utility? I'd also consider converting them to ISO files, but don't understand the implications? What is the difference between the different file formats? Do I lose anything by converting to ISO? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 12:13:54 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems Message-ID: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> I'm having some annoying problems with hardware (purchased from one of the TCLUG classified's incidentally!) and I was hoping maybe someone's had similar issues and can offer some advice. Anyway, it's a SuSE 8.1 box, PIII 500 I think - I can get detailed specs the next time it's up. Every now and then it just goes down, no messages in any of the logs. Sometimes when I'm logged in and working on it, sometimes overnight. Right now it seems to go down once or twice every 24 hours or so. Last time it happened in the middle of the night and I left an ssh connection tailing the messages log. In the morning it was dead, nothing interesting on the log window. Nothing interesting in any of the other logs either. The power lights are on near the front power/reset switch, but the switches are unusable, even when held in for a minute. In this state the monitor just shows a black screen - it's connected via KVM and the KVM light for this box is on as well. The back power switch does power the unit off though so I don't have to yank the cord. :) My guesses are either a) bad power supply or b) bad video card. The only two peripherals are a video card and a NIC. I had thought that I replaced the video card on this box already once though... Anyone have any thoughts on how to determine what the culprit is here? Most of the hardware I've purchased has worked pretty well so I do not have much experience dealing with these kinds of problems. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Dec 21 12:52:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> It sounds like the power supply, but it may be over heating. Take the critter "outside" and blow it out (dust YUCK!) with a can of air. I think you could set it out side today and have it self clean :oD Reseat everything, processor, memory, nic, video, (*power connector*), etc... I had a flaky power supply do what you have going on, but usually they just go south after a shutdown. Have any power spikes of late? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 12:54:08 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:13:54 -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I'm having some annoying problems with hardware (purchased from one of > the TCLUG classified's incidentally!) and I was hoping maybe someone's > had similar issues and can offer some advice. > > Anyway, it's a SuSE 8.1 box, PIII 500 I think - I can get detailed > specs the next time it's up. Every now and then it just goes down, no > messages in any of the logs. Sometimes when I'm logged in and working > on it, sometimes overnight. Right now it seems to go down once or > twice every 24 hours or so. Last time it happened in the middle of > the night and I left an ssh connection tailing the messages log. In > the morning it was dead, nothing interesting on the log window. > Nothing interesting in any of the other logs either. That sounds like a kernel panic http://resource.intel.com/telecom/support/tnotes/tnbyos/2000/tn062.htm has some general info. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 21 13:12:17 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Anyway, it's a SuSE 8.1 box, PIII 500 I think - I can get detailed specs > the next time it's up. Every now and then it just goes down, no > messages in any of the logs. Sometimes when I'm logged in and working > on it, sometimes overnight. Right now it seems to go down once or twice > every 24 hours or so. Last time it happened in the middle of the night > and I left an ssh connection tailing the messages log. In the morning > it was dead, nothing interesting on the log window. Nothing interesting > in any of the other logs either. Have you checked to see if ACPI/APM is kicking in? For a desktop machine, I'd just disable them in the BIOS. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 13:54:35 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20041221135435.00006580@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:12:17 -0600 (CST) Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Anyway, it's a SuSE 8.1 box, PIII 500 I think - I can get detailed > > specs the next time it's up. Every now and then it just goes > > down, no messages in any of the logs. Sometimes when I'm logged > > in and working on it, sometimes overnight. Right now it seems to > > go down once or twice every 24 hours or so. Last time it happened > > in the middle of the night and I left an ssh connection tailing > > the messages log. In the morning it was dead, nothing interesting > > on the log window. Nothing interesting in any of the other logs > > either. > > Have you checked to see if ACPI/APM is kicking in? For a desktop > machine, I'd just disable them in the BIOS. Would ACPI/APM kicking in throw something in any of the logs? I don't recall seeing anything related to this but I can double check... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 13:57:42 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041221135742.00005bdc@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:54:08 -0600 Ryan Ware wrote: > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:13:54 -0600, Josh Trutwin > wrote: > > I'm having some annoying problems with hardware (purchased from > > one of the TCLUG classified's incidentally!) and I was hoping > > maybe someone's had similar issues and can offer some advice. > > > > Anyway, it's a SuSE 8.1 box, PIII 500 I think - I can get detailed > > specs the next time it's up. Every now and then it just goes > > down, no messages in any of the logs. Sometimes when I'm logged > > in and working on it, sometimes overnight. Right now it seems to > > go down once or twice every 24 hours or so. Last time it happened > > in the middle of the night and I left an ssh connection tailing > > the messages log. In the morning it was dead, nothing interesting > > on the log window. Nothing interesting in any of the other logs > > either. > > That sounds like a kernel panic > http://resource.intel.com/telecom/support/tnotes/tnbyos/2000/tn062.htm > has some general info. Good link. "Depending on the nature of the panic, the kernel will log all information it can prior to locking up. Since a kernel panic is a drastic failure, it is uncertain how much information will be logged." I'm not seeing anything in the logs that would indicate a kernel panic though. I've had plenty of these and even the more severe ones usually manage to dump something into a log somewhere. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 14:01:42 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041221140142.00000f32@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:52:02 -0600 smac@visi.com wrote: > It sounds like the power supply, but it may be over heating. > > Take the critter "outside" and blow it out (dust YUCK!) with a can > of air. I think you could set it out side today and have it self > clean :oD > > Reseat everything, processor, memory, nic, video, (*power > connector*), etc... > > I had a flaky power supply do what you have going on, but usually > they just go south after a shutdown. Have any power spikes of late? That reminds me... Well, about a month ago I was having trouble finding the breaker for the kitchen light so I could replace the fixture and I accidentally shut the breaker this box was connected to. It's on one of those little home UPS's but the thing has 2 other boxes connected to it and I've found that some stay on, some power down with short outtages. This one I think went down. Nonetheless, a good cleaning certainly would be a good idea to rule anything out. Incidentally, in order to take the power off to my kitchen light I needed to turn off the garage (!) AND one of the upstairs light breakers. Gotta love old house wiring... 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Dec 21 14:24:08 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221135742.00005bdc@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> <20041221135742.00005bdc@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <41C88668.1010409@redconcepts.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 15:00:01 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <41C88668.1010409@redconcepts.net> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> <20041221135742.00005bdc@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <41C88668.1010409@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20041221150001.00000faf@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:24:08 -0600 Munir Nassar wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > > Good link. > > > > "Depending on the nature of the panic, the kernel will log all > > information it can prior to locking up. Since a kernel panic is a > > drastic failure, it is uncertain how much information will be > > logged." > > > > I'm not seeing anything in the logs that would indicate a kernel > > panic though. I've had plenty of these and even the more severe > > ones usually manage to dump something into a log somewhere. > > if you are on the 2.6 kernel i would highly recommend netconsole, it > > attempts to do a last ditch effort to spit out oops' and panics over > the wire to a specified host. which works a little better than > sending it to syslog to be written to disk. > > less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt for more > > information Nope - still 2.4 - latest SuSE patch level. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 21 15:02:55 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221135435.00006580@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20041221135435.00006580@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Would ACPI/APM kicking in throw something in any of the logs? I don't > recall seeing anything related to this but I can double check... >From my experience, no. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Dec 21 16:24:21 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221135435.00006580@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20041221135435.00006580@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <41C8A295.8070709@cdf123.net> Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:12:17 -0600 (CST) > Nate Carlson wrote: > >>Have you checked to see if ACPI/APM is kicking in? For a desktop >>machine, I'd just disable them in the BIOS. > > Would ACPI/APM kicking in throw something in any of the logs? I don't > recall seeing anything related to this but I can double check... > > Josh > I highly recommend adding acpi=off to your lilo/grub configs. I had the same problem with a friends computer. It would seem to lock up or panic at random intervals. Sometimes up for only a day or few hours, and other times it would last a week. After adding acpi=off to the grub/lilo configurations it never went down again. Also, there was _never_ a log for what happened. If you're not using acpi for something specific, shut it off. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 21 20:56:49 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:52:02 -0600 smac@visi.com wrote: > It sounds like the power supply, but it may be over heating. > > Take the critter "outside" and blow it out (dust YUCK!) with a can > of air. I think you could set it out side today and have it self > clean :oD > > Reseat everything, processor, memory, nic, video, (*power > connector*), etc... > > I had a flaky power supply do what you have going on, but usually > they just go south after a shutdown. Have any power spikes of late? Pretty sure now it's the hard drive. I did this (reseat EVERYTHING, cleaned it out, etc.) and noticed that the power connection to the hard drive is a little loose. Not just the plug, but the plugin connection to the drive itself wiggles a little. If I wiggle it just right it'll boot up, but for how long? If it's not wiggled into the right spot the BIOS doesn't even come up. Hopefully I can keep this thing up long enough to run a backup... Time to dump SuSE in favor of another Slackware install anyway! It's been a fun ride.... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Dec 21 22:12:10 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <1103688729.13635.3.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 00:04:35 2004 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> Message-ID: <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:56:49 -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Not just the plug, but the plugin > connection to the drive itself wiggles a little. If I wiggle it just > right it'll boot up, but for how long? If it's not wiggled into the > right spot the BIOS doesn't even come up. Hopefully I can keep this > thing up long enough to run a backup... Hmm...hot melt it in place? I've done such things for time periods more permanent than long enough to run a backup. Not on anything I really cared about, though. -- Justin Kremer "The best advice I can give you is not to trust the state for anything." - Henn. Co. Court Officer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Dec 22 07:19:58 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1103721599.4165.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm having a strange problem with Firefox and Ubuntu on my notebook computer. Since yesterday, I've been getting the message "The connection was refused when attempting to contact ___", for some addresses including www.yahoo.com and www.google.com. Others, incuding slashdot.org, www.hclib.org, and www.newegg.com, appear to work OK. When I run the same computer with Knoppix, I can access yahoo and google. I have the same problem -- can access some sites and not others -- with the KDE Konqueror browser. So I think the problem must be some security setting in Ubuntu that I've inadverently changed. I'm not sure where to look, and I can't get to Google to look for clues. Does anyone have any suggestions, or can someone tell me in which files to look for what's blocking some web sites? Thanks, Kraig _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Dec 22 07:29:04 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> "I'm having a strange problem with Firefox and Ubuntu on my notebook computer. Since yesterday, I've been getting the message "The connection was refused when attempting to contact ___", for some addresses including www.yahoo.com and www.google.com. Others, incuding slashdot.org, www.hclib.org, and www.newegg.com, appear to work OK. " p.s. -- A couple things I forgot to mention. 1. The web pages that I can access are current, so I know I'm not getting copies from a cache. 2. Firefox is set to block pop-ups, and allow cookies, and java and javascript are enabled. Thanks, Kraig _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Dec 22 09:01:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> Message-ID: <1103727672.41c98c384ffff@my.visi.com> Great job it's usually something like that. You should replace the power supply or at least the connector. I would bet the connector damaged the hard disk because of a short in the wires. I hope the jolly old fellow brings you a new hard disk and power supply! :-D Happy Holidays to all! Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Wed Dec 22 10:30:18 2004 From: random at argle.org (random@argle.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Kraig Jones wrote: > "I'm having a strange problem with Firefox and Ubuntu on my notebook > computer. Since yesterday, I've been getting the message "The > connection was refused when attempting to contact ___", for some > addresses including www.yahoo.com and www.google.com. Others, incuding > slashdot.org, www.hclib.org, and www.newegg.com, appear to work OK. " > > p.s. -- A couple things I forgot to mention. 1. The web pages that I > can access are current, so I know I'm not getting copies from a cache. > 2. Firefox is set to block pop-ups, and allow cookies, and java and javascript are enabled. > Double check the IP addresses it is getting for the sites it refuses to connect to. I've heard about some bizarre DNS failures recently and this is the external symptom of those. If it is getting invalid IP addresses I will be very interested in more details of your setup. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 13:47:27 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting MDS and CUE image files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c8253041221114716754bd3@mail.gmail.com> There is a bintoiso conversion tool for data cds (IIRC). But if you are working with video cds, just use 'mplayer vcd:// /path_to_bin' Jeff On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:26:18 -0600 (CST), Ryan Oertel wrote: > I have several MDS and CUE CD image files I'd like to mount directly in > linux, simliar to ISO files. Does anybody know of any such utility? I'd > also consider converting them to ISO files, but don't understand the > implications? What is the difference between the different file formats? > Do I lose anything by converting to ISO? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 13:47:27 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting MDS and CUE image files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c8253041221114716754bd3@mail.gmail.com> There is a bintoiso conversion tool for data cds (IIRC). But if you are working with video cds, just use 'mplayer vcd:// /path_to_bin' Jeff On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:26:18 -0600 (CST), Ryan Oertel wrote: > I have several MDS and CUE CD image files I'd like to mount directly in > linux, simliar to ISO files. Does anybody know of any such utility? I'd > also consider converting them to ISO files, but don't understand the > implications? What is the difference between the different file formats? > Do I lose anything by converting to ISO? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 15:04:15 2004 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253041221114716754bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41c9e150.276dd3a7.2472.10ec@smtp.gmail.com> Hi, I've got dynamic internal DNS which works. Ie, I can dig, and nslookup and ping via hostname from my linux boxes to lookup my xp clients. I am trying to get squid to resolve the IP's it has in its log file (or the reporting tool to do so I suppose, though that could be stale). I can't seem to figure this one out. Does anyone have this working, and if so could I see a squid.conf example? TIA Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Wed Dec 22 15:42:24 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution In-Reply-To: <41c9e150.276dd3a7.2472.10ec@smtp.gmail.com> References: <41c9e150.276dd3a7.2472.10ec@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've got this same problem, although I haven't spent any time on it yet - I've hashed out a few ideas, but I still need to research it a little more... General concensus is that you don't want to have squid doing DNS resolution when writing the logs, since it could cause performance problems (the lookups could cause a significant delay). Even running a local DNS server that's authorative for the zone, if named dies or anything bad happens, web requests lose. This is the mindset I seemed to get from reading through squid-users. I've been thinking of a few different solutions to this. Like you said, stale data is a problem - if the log analyzer runs daily, there is a good chance that things have changed since the log was written. I think the simplest solution would be to have named running on the squid server, and have it secondary the zone from the primary (or whatever Microsoft calls this...). But the Squid source will probably have to be hacked to do the DNS lookup - I don't remember seeing any options for turning this on. Although someone may have already written a patch for this. But this could still be too slow - I won't know until I test it. And again, if named failes, we lose. In any case, I was going to try this and benchmark performance to see if it was feasible. I just need to confirm that MS DNS can do NOTIFY, and then get the DNS dude to replicate the zone to me (Ugh, I guess I do know the MS term). My other idea also involved slaving the DNS zones, but coming up with some hack so that I could keep an archive of changes based on date and time. Like a binary log or even a database. Then write a replacement for the DNS lookup function in the analyzer, so it consults my record of IP changes, so it would lookup the IP and timestamp, rather than just the IP. The lookup function would basically say, find the most recent change for this IP that occured before this timestamp. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Chris Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I've got dynamic internal DNS which works. Ie, I can dig, and nslookup and > ping via hostname from my linux boxes to lookup my xp clients. I am trying > to get squid to resolve the IP's it has in its log file (or the reporting > tool to do so I suppose, though that could be stale). I can't seem to figure > this one out. > Does anyone have this working, and if so could I see a squid.conf example? > > TIA > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Wed Dec 22 16:00:59 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution In-Reply-To: References: <41c9e150.276dd3a7.2472.10ec@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Duh...I missed the obvious: log_fqdn in squid.conf seems to be the right switch. So Chris, feel free to try it and let me know how it works for you. In my scenario, DNS lookups to either the PDC or BDC take an incredibly long time, so I know I would at least have to have a local named running with a copy of the zone... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Dec 22 19:03:23 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 10:30 -0600, random@argle.org wrote: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Kraig Jones wrote: > > > "I'm having a strange problem with Firefox and Ubuntu on my notebook > > computer. Since yesterday, I've been getting the message "The > > connection was refused when attempting to contact ___", for some > > addresses including www.yahoo.com and www.google.com. Others, incuding > > slashdot.org, www.hclib.org, and www.newegg.com, appear to work OK. " > > > > p.s. -- A couple things I forgot to mention. 1. The web pages that I > > can access are current, so I know I'm not getting copies from a cache. > > 2. Firefox is set to block pop-ups, and allow cookies, and java and javascript are enabled. > > > > Double check the IP addresses it is getting for the sites it > refuses to connect to. I've heard about some bizarre DNS > failures recently and this is the external symptom of those. > > If it is getting invalid IP addresses I will be very interested > in more details of your setup. Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me how to check the IP addresses that a browser is connecting to? I'm assuming you mean the numeric address for yahoo, google etc. I do see "Resolving host ... " and "Connecting to ..." in the status bar. Then "The connection was refused ..." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 22 19:49:20 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> Quoting Kraig Jones : > Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me how to check the IP addresses > that a browser is connecting to? I'm assuming you mean the numeric > address for yahoo, google etc. I do see "Resolving host ... " and > "Connecting to ..." in the status bar. Then "The connection was > refused ..." > > I don't know about from the browser, but from the command line you can use: ping $DOMAINNAME or dig $DOMAINNAME or nslookup $DOMAINNAME Any of these should tell you whether or not $DOMAINNAME is resolving. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Dec 22 20:50:34 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1103770235.4091.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 19:49 -0600, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > Quoting Kraig Jones : > > > Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me how to check the IP addresses > > that a browser is connecting to? I'm assuming you mean the numeric > > address for yahoo, google etc. I do see "Resolving host ... " and > > "Connecting to ..." in the status bar. Then "The connection was > > refused ..." > > > > > > I don't know about from the browser, but from the command line you can use: > ping $DOMAINNAME > or > dig $DOMAINNAME > or > nslookup $DOMAINNAME > > Any of these should tell you whether or not $DOMAINNAME is resolving. > > Josh > The following is from command line commands. Something looks suspicious -- the addresses I'm having trouble with are getting an "aka" address, the others are OK. But I don't know how to fix it. kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.yahoo.com Server: 192.168.0.1 Address: 192.168.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.yahoo.com canonical name = www.yahoo.akadns.net. Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.43 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.49 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.51 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.56 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.39 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.40 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.38 Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net Address: 68.142.226.46 kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup slashdot.org Server: 192.168.0.1 Address: 192.168.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: slashdot.org Address: 66.35.250.150 kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.google.com Server: 192.168.0.1 Address: 192.168.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.google.com canonical name = www.google.akadns.net. Name: www.google.akadns.net Address: 64.233.167.99 Name: www.google.akadns.net Address: 64.233.167.104 kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.hclib.org Server: 192.168.0.1 Address: 192.168.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.hclib.org Address: 65.112.121.2 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 22 21:27:24 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103770235.4091.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> <1103770235.4091.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1103772444.41ca3b1cb5d67@joshwelch.com> Quoting Kraig Jones : > The following is from command line commands. Something looks suspicious > -- the addresses I'm having trouble with are getting an "aka" address, > the others are OK. But I don't know how to fix it. > > kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.yahoo.com > Server: 192.168.0.1 > Address: 192.168.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > www.yahoo.com canonical name = www.yahoo.akadns.net. > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.43 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.49 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.51 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.56 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.39 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.40 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.38 > Name: www.yahoo.akadns.net > Address: 68.142.226.46 > > kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup slashdot.org > Server: 192.168.0.1 > Address: 192.168.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: slashdot.org > Address: 66.35.250.150 > > kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.google.com > Server: 192.168.0.1 > Address: 192.168.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > www.google.com canonical name = www.google.akadns.net. > Name: www.google.akadns.net > Address: 64.233.167.99 > Name: www.google.akadns.net > Address: 64.233.167.104 > > kraig@deio:~ $ nslookup www.hclib.org > Server: 192.168.0.1 > Address: 192.168.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: www.hclib.org > Address: 65.112.121.2 > > The "aka" addresses are all from Akamai, they're a content serving company used by a number of large sites. Looks liike things are resolving properly for you. If you type one of the IP addresses that the Akamia things are resolving to into your browser what happens then? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Wed Dec 22 21:53:46 2004 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mounting MDS and CUE image files In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253041221114716754bd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c8253041221114716754bd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1103774026.1339.34.camel@ryan.oertel.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Wed Dec 22 21:52:12 2004 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Graphics cards and Linux In-Reply-To: <200412101339.42144.dave@math.umn.edu> References: <200412101339.42144.dave@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1103773930.1338.30.camel@ryan.oertel.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Dec 23 06:46:04 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] frustrating hardware problems In-Reply-To: <41C88668.1010409@redconcepts.net> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <307a337f041221105465f85cdf@mail.gmail.com> <20041221135742.00005bdc@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <41C88668.1010409@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1103805964.15897.13.camel@bigtime> Recent kernels will blink the keyboard LEDs on a panic. If the keyboard LED's aren't blinking its probably a hardware lockup. Although most panics are caused by hardware anyway if you're not running an experimental kernel... Might be a 2.6 thing. And probably 'legacy' i386 keyboard only. It was added so you could tell if the kernel has paniced when in X. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christophermsmith at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 07:51:41 2004 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41cacd70.3470e22b.66a4.1154@smtp.gmail.com> I tried that one, but it didn't seem to have much effect. I'm looking at ldap authentication now... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 4:01 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution Duh...I missed the obvious: log_fqdn in squid.conf seems to be the right switch. So Chris, feel free to try it and let me know how it works for you. In my scenario, DNS lookups to either the PDC or BDC take an incredibly long time, so I know I would at least have to have a local named running with a copy of the zone... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Dec 23 08:31:10 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid and netbios resolution In-Reply-To: <41cacd70.3470e22b.66a4.1154@smtp.gmail.com> References: <41cacd70.3470e22b.66a4.1154@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Chris Smith wrote: > I tried that one, but it didn't seem to have much effect. I'm looking at > ldap authentication now... It may only work in http-accelerator mode or something then. Let me know how that goes for you... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Dec 23 15:21:54 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412232121.iBNLLsc20195@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ViewSonic MB90 ViewSonic 19" multi-media monitor. Has built in speakers including a sub woofer in the base as well as a mic. Also has a 4 port USB hub in the base. $20 Seller Email address: jpschewe at mtu dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Thu Dec 23 21:13:02 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103772444.41ca3b1cb5d67@joshwelch.com> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1103655122.41c870d2612b2@my.visi.com> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> <1103770235.4091.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103772444.41ca3b1cb5d67@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1103857982.4063.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 21:27 -0600, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > Quoting Kraig Jones : > The "aka" addresses are all from Akamai, they're a content serving company used > by a number of large sites. Looks liike things are resolving properly for you. > If you type one of the IP addresses that the Akamia things are resolving to > into your browser what happens then? > > Josh > Thanks, Josh. I tried one of the addresses: 68.142.226.43, or www.yahoo.dns.net. It loaded some of the yahoo page, but gets hung up on images, now (us.i1.yimg.com). I'm not having any trouble with other computers, on the same connection here at home. I think it's something with this computer's settings, running Ubuntu Linux. I just don't know where to look. Kraig _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Fri Dec 24 02:26:37 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iptables configuration Message-ID: <41CBD2BD.5080804@esox.us> Hi, I am trying to get my router to share files and internet with two desktops on separate interfaces. I have the forwarding for samba and NAT going but I am trying to close the firewall to the outside world and I don't have the command quite right. I have this temporarily but it excludes eth1 from everything. "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport smtp -i ! eth2 -j REJECT" I no there is a better way but I can't remember it. Any help is appreciated. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.esox.us/ ) <>< ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 10:48:17 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1103857982.4063.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041221121354.00004e67@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20041221205649.000071b7@schubert> <27e6356a0412212204142da3d3@mail.gmail.com> <1103722144.4165.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103763803.4269.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103766560.41ca24201811b@joshwelch.com> <1103770235.4091.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1103772444.41ca3b1cb5d67@joshwelch.com> <1103857982.4063.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5c596d0e041224084854f8d01f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0600, Kraig Jones wrote: > Thanks, Josh. > > I tried one of the addresses: 68.142.226.43, or www.yahoo.dns.net. It > loaded some of the yahoo page, but gets hung up on images, now > (us.i1.yimg.com). I'm not having any trouble with other computers, on > the same connection here at home. I think it's something with this > computer's settings, running Ubuntu Linux. I just don't know where to > look. It looks like a DNS issue to me. the images are probably not loading because there is a domain associated with the image in the html source, it cant resolve the domain correctly. It finds the rest of the page because it gets it directly from the IP address. So, my guess, either your DNS is hijacked or there is some other Configuration problem with your dns. or perhaps your bowser is hosed (unlikely). Have you tried a different browser Look at the file /etc/hosts you should see a line for your localhost 127.0.0.1 and perhaps another line with your host name in it but there should be nothing with yahoo or anything else in there. Also check /etc/resolve.conf. If there are name servers listed there make sure they are the name servers run by your ISP. If you are Using DHCP make sure your DNS settings are correct in your Router (or whatever is set up as your DHCP server) -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sat Dec 25 05:35:20 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Neat feature in Mozilla Firefox Message-ID: <41CD5078.2040309@comcast.net> Hello, Found a neat feature as I installed a new hard drive and the most recent version of Firefox, Next to the address bar where the search pull down menu is located click to pull down then "Add engines", on that page is some of the most used features not only for Firefox, also Adobe Reader, Flash Player, Real Player, QuickTime, Java Plug-in and other engines you can add to the quick search pull down menu. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 11:26:35 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From today in history Message-ID: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> 1982, The Man of the Year in /TIME/ magazine was a computer. It was the first time a non-human received the honors. What OS did it use, UNIX or something else? Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Dec 26 12:14:00 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOHOHO! Message-ID: <41CEFF68.2070403@visi.com> Yes santa was a jolly old fellow and very good to me this year. AMD Athlon 64 3000+ system. I down loaded Fedora Core for AMD 64 and the XP 64 beta. I'll let you all know how each install goes. My old Enlite case is just perfect for this new motherboard and such, except I need to dremal out a place for the front USB connectors on the bezel. Have them out the back for now. XP just finished formatting the Master drive so I'm going to have to pay attention to what I'm doing. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Dec 26 12:23:06 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From today in history In-Reply-To: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> References: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, Jerry Weihrauch wrote: > 1982, The Man of the Year in /TIME/ magazine was a computer. It was the > first time a non-human received the honors. What OS did it use, UNIX or > something else? Here's the article... http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Time.MOTY.1982.html I have no time to read it now, but wasn't 1982 the year that the IBM PC was introduced? The IBM PC must have had a lot of influence on the decision, but the article seems to be about computers in general. For this year, Time's Man is GWB and in 1938 the Man was Adolf Hitler. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From minnesotan at runbox.com Sun Dec 26 12:24:08 2004 From: minnesotan at runbox.com (Randy Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From today in history In-Reply-To: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> References: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> Message-ID: > 1982, The Man of the Year in /TIME/ magazine was a computer. It was the > first time a non-human received the honors. > What OS did it use, UNIX or something else? > > Jerry W > > See: http://i.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1983/1101830103_400.jpg My guess is PC-DOS. The revolution TIME had in mind was the growth of the desktop computer, and once IBM entered the market--not just Apple--then it was no longer just a fad for techno-nerds. That's how remember the explanation for it. Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sun Dec 26 14:52:32 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOHOHO! In-Reply-To: <41CEFF68.2070403@visi.com> References: <41CEFF68.2070403@visi.com> Message-ID: <41CF2490.2040007@cleosci.com> Please do, because I'm beginning to accumulate parts for a new system, and I'm wishing to hold out a few weeks more just to see what price changes come around on the Athlon 64 and PCI express fronts! I'm planning to buy the mobo and video last. I already have the rest of the stuff I need for the system. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Yes santa was a jolly old fellow and very good to me this year. > > AMD Athlon 64 3000+ system. > I down loaded Fedora Core for AMD 64 and the XP 64 beta. > I'll let you all know how each install goes. > > My old Enlite case is just perfect for this new motherboard and such, > except I need to dremal out a place for the front USB connectors on > the bezel. Have them out the back for now. XP just finished formatting > the Master drive so I'm going to have to pay attention to what I'm doing. > > Sam. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 15:29:37 2004 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN Sourceforge Mirror Down? Message-ID: <32fd453704122613295be049b4@mail.gmail.com> What happened to the U of M's Sourceforge mirror? I noticed it's not been listed for many things lately...initially I thought it was just down for a restart or something. Wondering if it's ever coming back up. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 15:28:16 2004 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOHOHO! In-Reply-To: <41CF2490.2040007@cleosci.com> References: <41CEFF68.2070403@visi.com> <41CF2490.2040007@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <32fd453704122613287201bfbf@mail.gmail.com> I'm waiting 3-6-9 months for the dual-core Opterons and Athlon64 FX's to hit the market, and I'm also hoping ATI will announce an SLI-capable PCI Express Video card :) My Athlon64 3000+ Laptop though, has been working great, except for the little BIOS issue, but I'm getting that resolved. On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:52:32 -0600, gkrueger wrote: > Please do, because I'm beginning to accumulate parts for a new system, > and I'm wishing to hold out a few weeks more just to see what price > changes come around on the Athlon 64 and PCI express fronts! I'm > planning to buy the mobo and video last. I already have the rest of the > stuff I need for the system. > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > Yes santa was a jolly old fellow and very good to me this year. > > > > AMD Athlon 64 3000+ system. > > I down loaded Fedora Core for AMD 64 and the XP 64 beta. > > I'll let you all know how each install goes. > > > > My old Enlite case is just perfect for this new motherboard and such, > > except I need to dremal out a place for the front USB connectors on > > the bezel. Have them out the back for now. XP just finished formatting > > the Master drive so I'm going to have to pay attention to what I'm doing. > > > > Sam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 15:36:50 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From today in history In-Reply-To: References: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41CF2EF2.9000202@comcast.net> On December 26, 2004 Mike Miller wrote: > > > Here's the article... > > http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Time.MOTY.1982.html > > I have no time to read it now, but wasn't 1982 the year that the IBM > PC was introduced? The IBM PC must have had a lot of influence on the > decision, but the article seems to be about computers in general. > > For this year, Time's Man is GWB and in 1938 the Man was Adolf Hitler. > > Mike > Quoting a paragraph in the article (very interesting read). "There is much talk of a coming shakeout, and California Consultant David E. Gold predicts that perhaps no more than a dozen vendors will survive the next five years. At the moment, Dataquest estimates that Texas Instruments leads the low-price parade with a 35% share of the market in computers selling for less than $1,000. Next come Timex (26%), Commodore (15%) and Atari (13%). In the race among machines priced between $1,000 and $5,000, Apple still commands 26% followed by IBM (17% and Tandy/Radio Shack (10%). But IBM, which has dominated the mainframe computer market for decades, is coming on very strong. Apple, fighting back, will unveil its new Lisa model in January, putting great emphasis on user friendliness. The user will be able to carry out many functions simply by pointing to a picture of what he wants done rather than typing instructions. IBM is also reported to be planning to introduce new machines in 1983, as are Osborne and others." About 1978 can remember one of my son's bringing home a sheet of Teletype paper where he had "conversed" with a computer at the collage in Mankato. He was in about 5th grade I think and was allowed to use the computer as he had good grades. The elementary school was also located in Mankato. I had a Teletype machine that was used on the amateur radio bands "RTTY", and he asked me if I could connect to the collage computer from my Teletype machine. Still do some "RTTY" but the computer has taken the place of the old Teletype Model 15 machine. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sun Dec 26 22:17:57 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT WTB Small 2.5" drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Small as in capacity, and as in price. If you've got a 4GB or SMALLER drive you want to sell, please send me a quote. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Dec 27 09:09:37 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412271509.iBRF9bn00809@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: MultiTech internal voice modem for VOCP I am offering several of these voice/data/fax modems on eBay. I have assembled detailed Linux installation notes (especially for debian) at: http://info9.net/vocp And I'd like to extend a "no sales tax" 6.5% discount to TCLUG members that win any of my auctions. Just bid as you normally would. If you win you only pay the final bid amount - NOT the additional 6.5% for Minnesota residents (I'll eat the tax). And, if you want to pick up the modem from me (I work at 494 & France) you can subtract the shipping too! Seller Email address: tmarble at info9 dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 10:09:14 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOHOHO! In-Reply-To: <32fd453704122613287201bfbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <41CEFF68.2070403@visi.com> <41CF2490.2040007@cleosci.com> <32fd453704122613287201bfbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c596d0e0412270809658b50ff@mail.gmail.com> We just received our new dual opteron 64 server from Penguin computing running Fedora core 2. Not even out of the box yet. I'll let you all know how she runs. - Tom On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:28:16 -0600, Keith Bachman wrote: > I'm waiting 3-6-9 months for the dual-core Opterons and Athlon64 FX's > to hit the market, and I'm also hoping ATI will announce an > SLI-capable PCI Express Video card :) My Athlon64 3000+ Laptop > though, has been working great, except for the little BIOS issue, but > I'm getting that resolved. > > > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:52:32 -0600, gkrueger wrote: > > Please do, because I'm beginning to accumulate parts for a new system, > > and I'm wishing to hold out a few weeks more just to see what price > > changes come around on the Athlon 64 and PCI express fronts! I'm > > planning to buy the mobo and video last. I already have the rest of the > > stuff I need for the system. > > > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > > > Yes santa was a jolly old fellow and very good to me this year. > > > > > > AMD Athlon 64 3000+ system. > > > I down loaded Fedora Core for AMD 64 and the XP 64 beta. > > > I'll let you all know how each install goes. > > > > > > My old Enlite case is just perfect for this new motherboard and such, > > > except I need to dremal out a place for the front USB connectors on > > > the bezel. Have them out the back for now. XP just finished formatting > > > the Master drive so I'm going to have to pay attention to what I'm doing. > > > > > > Sam. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From minnesotan at runbox.com Mon Dec 27 11:29:50 2004 From: minnesotan at runbox.com (Randy Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From today in history In-Reply-To: <41CF2EF2.9000202@comcast.net> References: <41CEF44B.7020403@comcast.net> <41CF2EF2.9000202@comcast.net> Message-ID: > On December 26, 2004 Mike Miller wrote: > > > > > > > Here's the article... > > > > http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Time.MOTY.1982.html > > > > I have no time to read it now, but wasn't 1982 the year that the IBM > > PC was introduced? The IBM PC must have had a lot of influence on the > > decision, but the article seems to be about computers in general. > > > > For this year, Time's Man is GWB and in 1938 the Man was Adolf Hitler. > > > > Mike > > > Quoting a paragraph in the article (very interesting read). > > "There is much talk of a coming shakeout, and California Consultant > David E. Gold predicts that perhaps no more than a dozen vendors will > survive the next five years. At the moment, Dataquest estimates that > Texas Instruments leads the low-price parade with a 35% share of the > market in computers selling for less than $1,000. Next come Timex (26%), > Commodore (15%) and Atari (13%). In the race among machines priced > between $1,000 and $5,000, Apple still commands 26% followed by IBM (17% > and Tandy/Radio Shack (10%). But IBM, which has dominated the mainframe > computer market for decades, is coming on very strong. Apple, fighting > back, will unveil its new Lisa model in January, putting great emphasis > on user friendliness. The user will be able to carry out many functions > simply by pointing to a picture of what he wants done rather than typing > instructions. IBM is also reported to be planning to introduce new > machines in 1983, as are Osborne and others." > > About 1978 can remember one of my son's bringing home a sheet of > Teletype paper where he had "conversed" with a computer at the collage > in Mankato. He was in about 5th grade I think and was allowed to use > the computer as he had good grades. The elementary school was also > located in Mankato. I had a Teletype machine that was used on the > amateur radio bands "RTTY", and he asked me if I could connect to the > collage computer from my Teletype machine. Still do some "RTTY" but the > computer has taken the place of the old Teletype Model 15 machine. > > Jerry W > In 1969-70 at Marshall-University High School, next to Dinkytown, they had a teletype (with paper-punch-tape read/write) that students could use to write and run BASIC or FORTRAN programs (using timeshare on a Honeywell? or maybe a U of M? mainframe.) We did things like simple mortgage tables with BASIC, and the like, for extra credit in 8th grade math. 1969 was my first exposure to computing. --Randy P.S. Re: TIME MAGAZINE: ------------------------------------------- TIME MAGAZINE: Man/Machine/Person(s) of the Year Winners ------------------------------------------- 1927 Charles Augustus Lindbergh 1928 Walter P. Chrysler 1929 Owen D. Young 1930 Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 1931 Pierre Laval 1932 Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933 Hugh Samuel Johnson 1934 Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1935 Haile Selassie 1936 Mrs. Wallis Warfield Simpson 1937 Generalissimo & Mme Chiang Kai-Shek 1938 Adolf Hitler 1939 Joseph Stalin 1940 Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill 1941 Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1942 Joseph Stalin 1943 George Catlett Marshall 1944 Dwight David Eisenhower 1945 Harry Truman 1946 James F. Byrnes 1947 George Catlett Marshall 1948 Harry Truman 1949 Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill 1950 American Fighting-Man 1951 Mohammed Mossadegh 1952 Elizabeth II 1953 Konrad Adenauer 1954 John Foster Dulles 1955 Harlow Herbert Curtice 1956 Hungarian Freedom Fighter 1957 Nikita Krushchev 1958 Charles De Gaulle 1959 Dwight David Eisenhower 1960 U.S. Scientists 1961 John Fitzgerald Kennedy 1962 Pope John XXIII 1963 Martin Luther King Jr. 1964 Lyndon B. Johnson 1965 General William Childs Westmoreland 1966 Twenty-Five and Under 1967 Lyndon B. Johnson 1968 Astronauts Anders, Borman and Lovell 1969 The Middle Americans 1970 Willy Brandt 1971 Richard Milhous Nixon 1972 Nixon and Kissinger 1973 John J. Sirica 1974 King Faisal 1975 American Women 1976 Jimmy Carter 1977 Anwar Sadat 1978 Teng Hsiao-P'ing 1979 Ayatullah Khomeini 1980 Ronald Reagan 1981 Lech Walesa 1982 The Computer 1983 Ronald Regan & Yuri Andropov 1984 Peter Ueberroth 1985 Deng Xiaoping 1986 Corazon Aquino 1987 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev 1988 Endangered Earth 1989 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev 1990 The Two George Bushes 1991 Ted Turner 1992 Bill Clinton 1993 The Peacemakers 1994 Pope John Paul II 1995 Newt Gingrich 1996 Dr. David Ho 1997 Andy Grove 1998 Bill Clinton and Kenneth Starr 1999 Jeff Bezos 2000 George W. Bush ------------------------------------------- Person of the 20th Century: Albert Einstein Runner-Up: Franklin Delano Roosevelt Runner-Up: Mohandas Gandhi ------------------------------------------- 2001 Rudolph Giuliani 2002 The Whistleblowers 2003 The American Soldier 2004 George W. Bush ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Dec 27 13:32:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: OT RE:[TCLUG] Trom today in history Message-ID: <1104175921.41d06331c08ad@my.visi.com> First exposure to computing hmmmmmm..... At one of the elementary schools I went to, think it was Gatewood in Minnetonka. One of the kids dads (who worked for Control Data) taught us "The language of computers" binary, I thought "How cool is that, a language no one can speak!" We have almost as many programming languages as spoken languages now, but they all break down to binary in the long run. Is the gate open or closed :-+) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Dec 27 14:02:29 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] From today in history In-Reply-To: <1104175921.41d06331c08ad@my.visi.com> References: <1104175921.41d06331c08ad@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20041227200229.GA25314@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 01:32:01PM -0600, smac@visi.com wrote: > First exposure to computing hmmmmmm..... > > At one of the elementary schools I went to, think it was Gatewood in > Minnetonka. One of the kids dads (who worked for Control Data) taught > us "The language of computers" binary, I thought "How cool is that, a > language no one can speak!" Mine was similar--I was in Cub Scouts, and one of the kids' dads gave a demo on how to count in binary. Been geeky ever since. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Dec 27 14:30:44 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] From today in history In-Reply-To: <20041227200229.GA25314@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <1104175921.41d06331c08ad@my.visi.com> <20041227200229.GA25314@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, John J. Trammell wrote: > Mine was similar--I was in Cub Scouts, and one of the kids' dads gave a > demo on how to count in binary. Been geeky ever since. And you've been giving fellow drivers "binary 4" ever since :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Dec 27 14:50:53 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? Message-ID: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> I know it can be done easily enough from the command line, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a decent GUI for doing DVD burning under Linux? Not finding much out there with google. I think a recent LJ had something.... My wife isn't very linux saavy, so if there is a pointy-clicky alternative that anyone has found that would be best for her. Any thoughts? Preferably would like to be able to handle dual layer burns, compression, etc. Something with similar features as this: http://www.dvdidle.com/dvd-fab-platinum.htm I guess I could setup dual boot into Windows on this thing too. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 27 15:18:42 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? Message-ID: k3b? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Dec 27 15:58:59 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I know it can be done easily enough from the command line, but I was > wondering if anyone knew of a decent GUI for doing DVD burning under > Linux? Not finding much out there with google. I think a recent LJ had > something.... > > My wife isn't very linux saavy, so if there is a pointy-clicky > alternative that anyone has found that would be best for her. > > Any thoughts? Preferably would like to be able to handle dual layer > burns, compression, etc. Something with similar features as this: > http://www.dvdidle.com/dvd-fab-platinum.htm I get to the GUIs midway through this message. Some people thought the following was pretty useful even though it's a command-line-based method: http://mlug.missouri.edu/list-archives/discussion/2004-12/msg00325.php3 This guy liked it... http://mlug.missouri.edu/list-archives/discussion/2004-12/msg00335.php3 ... and reproduced it, nicely formatted, in the "HOWTO" section here: http://www.archlug.org/kwiki/DVD-Backup Also, he recommended "DVDDcryptor and DVDShrink running under Crossover Office 4" because they offer GUIs. So you might try those programs. I guess he spelled those names incorrectly. Here are the sites: http://www.dvddecrypter.com/ http://www.dvdshrink.org/what.html http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_rippers/dvd_decrypter.cfm http://www.dvdshrink.info/dvd-decrypter.php Sorry that the first part of this message is not what you want, but I'm posting all of it in case it will be useful to other people. If any of you have comments or suggestions on the DVD copying HOWTO, send them to the author. His name is Michael and this is his e-mail address: mogmios (at) mlug dot missouri dot edu Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Dec 27 16:20:08 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041227162008.000057ed@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:18:42 -0600 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > k3b? looks worth a shot, thanks! josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Dec 27 18:31:21 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broadcom NetXtreme driver for Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <006a01c4ebc0$e5ce7ea0$0c00a8c0@DELL2> References: <006a01c4ebc0$e5ce7ea0$0c00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20041228003121.GA18656@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 09:05:18PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a Dell 725N NAS unit that used to have win 2000 on it. I just installed Fedora Core 2 on it, but it does not find the Broadcom NetXtreme driver. The Dell site has a couple src and tar files that work on RedHat 9.0. Any idea if this will work for Fedora Core 2? > > > Raymond Don't really know for sure, but if they provide the source files for you to compile, I think there is a good chance that they will work. Try it and see if you get any errors during the compile. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 --- If you believe what you read, the sky is thick with aliens who are designing pyramids, disemboweling livestock, impregnating rural people and generally having a good time at our expense. -- Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 19:03:21 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT dual layer media : was:DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <65293fcc041227170320377152@mail.gmail.com> > > Any thoughts? Preferably would like to be able to handle dual layer > burns, compression, etc. you scoring some dual layer media on the cheap - or have I been out of it for a while ? last time i check it was cheaper to buy two copies of a movie than it was to buy one, back it up and use the backup for daily (er... occasional) viewing..... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 28 08:03:41 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT dual layer media : was:DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041227170320377152@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <65293fcc041227170320377152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041228080341.00000532@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:03:21 -0600 John Meier wrote: > > > > Any thoughts? Preferably would like to be able to handle dual > > layer burns, compression, etc. > > you scoring some dual layer media on the cheap - or have I been out > of it for a while ? last time i check it was cheaper to buy two > copies of a movie than it was to buy one, back it up and use the > backup for daily (er... occasional) viewing..... Not yet, but I expect that soon it'll start coming down more so I want to be prepared. I think the best I can find is still around 6-7 dollars per disk, which is still too spendy. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Dec 28 09:57:37 2004 From: jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Joe Stuart) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iptables configuration Message-ID: An easy way to do it is set the default input policy to drop iptables -P INPUT DROP Then only accept established and related connections coming in. iptables -A INPUT -i $ETH_INF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT but beyond that it looks like you should read up a little more on iptables do a google search for iptables tutorial. >>> linuser@esox.us 12/24/04 02:26AM >>> Hi, I am trying to get my router to share files and internet with two desktops on separate interfaces. I have the forwarding for samba and NAT going but I am trying to close the firewall to the outside world and I don't have the command quite right. I have this temporarily but it excludes eth1 from everything. "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport smtp -i ! eth2 -j REJECT" I no there is a better way but I can't remember it. Any help is appreciated. -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.esox.us/ ) <>< ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Tue Dec 28 10:23:48 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <41D18894.1080506@ryanorourke.org> Josh Trutwin wrote: > I know it can be done easily enough from the command line, but I was > wondering if anyone knew of a decent GUI for doing DVD burning under > Linux? Not finding much out there with google. I think a recent LJ > had something.... Here's a good article: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/16/1555246&tid=13&tid=47 Apparently DVD+RW-Tools is used with K3b and the Nautilus burner. HTH. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:26:51 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless Message-ID: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> Hey all - this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find any thing when I searched the list archives. I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the next. I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 28 10:59:21 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:26:51AM -0600, John Meier wrote: > Hey all - > > this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find any thing > when I searched the list archives. > I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it > rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the > next. > > I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this > all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? Do you have ssh access into the box? Since I know grip, I would ssh in and run grip remotely. Grip can be configured to do exactly what you want. There probably are command line utilities that would do it as well, but I haven't used any of those in a while. I even wrote my own perl script long ago that did something similar. I'd be willing to let you have it, but I am sure that there is something better out there somewhere. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Dec 28 11:07:53 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless Message-ID: No, but I would be interested if you found something that works well. :-) >>> John Meier 12/28/04 10:26 AM >>> Hey all - this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find any thing when I searched the list archives. I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the next. I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Tue Dec 28 11:25:23 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D19703.8080405@ryanorourke.org> John Meier wrote: > I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it > rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the > next. > > I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this > all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? I don't have the application in front of me to confirm, but I thought Grip had an option to automatically begin it's processes on insert. I know you can set it to eject when the ripping process is complete. If that doesn't work you could certainly set up a shell script to do it for you since cdparanoia, oggenc, and eject all work from the command line. You should be able to set all your options for quality, filenaming, id3 tags, etc from a pretty simple script and for loop. I've got something similar at home for converting mp3 or ogg to wav and then burning them to cd if you'd like a template to start from. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Dec 28 11:53:35 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:59:21AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:26:51AM -0600, John Meier wrote: > > I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it > > rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the > > next. > > > > I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this > > all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? > > Do you have ssh access into the box? Since I know grip, I would > ssh in and run grip remotely. Grip can be configured to do > exactly what you want. I was a big fan of Grip because of the auto-rip feature. Unfortunately grip started depending on the whole Gnome library bomb so I've stopped using it. I've also started using abcde and would like the auto-rip feature. I took a look at the Grip source and it looks like it just calls an ioctl to see if there is a disc in the drive or if it can read the TOC. There probably is a Perl library to check the same information in Perl, but I'm not a Perl hacker so I don't know. You could use the cd-discid tool to check if there is a disc in the drive. It returns 0 when there is a disc and 1 when there isn't. You could put that in a shell script loops calling cd-discid. What I would like to find is a way to register a call-back to the kernel for cd insertion. Does anyone know if that exists? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 12:10:38 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> Message-ID: <65293fcc0412281010422145cc@mail.gmail.com> > I was a big fan of Grip because of the auto-rip feature. Unfortunately > grip started depending on the whole Gnome library bomb so I've stopped > using it. I've also started using abcde and would like the auto-rip > feature. Ditto - wish there was a cmd line version of grip :) > You could use the cd-discid tool to check if there is a disc in the > drive. It returns 0 when there is a disc and 1 when there isn't. You > could put that in a shell script loops calling cd-discid. > Yeah - I think I may use cripple: http://www.vortex.prodigynet.co.uk/cripple/cripple.1.html and this guy's script : http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t28945.html as astarting point to detect insertion and then loop a cripple command. If I write something I'll post code if others are interested and won't make fun of my not-so-uber-or-l33t-scripting-skillz. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Tue Dec 28 12:08:39 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found one that worked very well. Set it up so I just put a CD in when it popped out and then when it was done it would pop out again. Only problem was when the CD wasn't in the freedb database. I tweaked it a little for the file names and did have a little trouble with quoting. http://rip.sourceforge.net/ If I did it headless, I'd have it make a noise when it didn't find the CD in the database. I ran it in this loop: while true do until /usr/bin/setcd -i | grep 'Disc found in drive' do echo "Waiting for CD ..." # play /home/gsker/waitingforcd.wav sleep 5 done rip -F -c -T -S -f %N_%S -d /dev/scd0 play /usr/share/freeciv/stdsounds/gong10.wav done But rip actually has an option (-M) to rip many CDs by looping through the script. Probably asks you a question at the end of each. http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/setcd.html http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/setcd/setcd_1.5.orig.tar.gz -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > No, but I would be interested if you > found something that works well. :-) >>>> John Meier 12/28/04 10:26 AM >>> > Hey all - > this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find any thing > when I searched the list archives. > I'd like to plop in a cdrom on one of my headless boxes and have it > rip and encode (ogg or flac) then eject the cdrom and wait for the > next. > I have been playing with abcde, but haven't found a way to make this > all automatic.... anyone ever accomplish anything like this before? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 12:22:05 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65293fcc04122810223790a87a@mail.gmail.com> > http://rip.sourceforge.net/ > Ding DING! Gonna try this out first before rolling my own - I realy lke the "-S --superlazy" option.... :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Tue Dec 28 12:59:06 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> Message-ID: Could you use devfs and dnotify? http://www.student.lu.se/~nbi98oli/dnotify.html There's got to be a way to do it because if I put a blank CDR in the drive I get this in the log: Dec 28 12:12:45 localhost kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:59:21AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:26:51AM -0600, John Meier wrote: [SNIP] > What I would like to find is a way to register a call-back to the kernel > for cd insertion. Does anyone know if that exists? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Dec 28 13:27:56 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200412281927.iBSJRu516917@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: G-Wireless Router, USB-2 Jump drives I have three WRT54G-BP Linksys wireless routers and four USB 2 256 MB jump drives. All are new un-opened packages. e-mail me if you have any questions. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Dec 28 13:45:00 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc0412280826f6a9b8e@mail.gmail.com> <20041228105921.A28540@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20041228175335.GA31939@refried.org> Message-ID: <20041228194500.GB31939@refried.org> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:59:06PM -0600, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > Could you use devfs and dnotify? > http://www.student.lu.se/~nbi98oli/dnotify.html Devfs has been on the chopping block for several years so I wouldn't want to start depending on it now. I'll have to read more about dnotify. > There's got to be a way to do it because if I put a blank CDR in the drive > I get this in the log: > > Dec 28 12:12:45 localhost kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any > tracks I recognize! That's coming from linux/drivers/cdrom/cdrom.c:1704 (in 2.4.28) as part of servicing the CDROM_DISC_STATUS ioctl. I'm guessing that is being called from a program you have running. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Dec 28 14:04:53 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broadcom NetXtreme nic not found Message-ID: <005701c4ed18$7f4f54c0$990a15ac@DELL2> On a previous post I assumed my fedora core 2 box did not have the proper driver for my built in Broadcom NetXtreme nic. I found a redhat 9 driver and installed it, but it turns out the real problem is the nic is not being found on boot up, and does not show up when I launch the hardware browser. When I go into network device setup it is blank, without a way to add a new nic. Is there a way to get the box to find the nic on boot up? It worked fine with win 2000, and shows up prior to the grub screen. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Dec 28 14:33:17 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broadcom NetXtreme nic not found In-Reply-To: <005701c4ed18$7f4f54c0$990a15ac@DELL2>; from admin@lctn.org on Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 02:04:53PM -0600 References: <005701c4ed18$7f4f54c0$990a15ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <20041228143317.A26154@thinkunix.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > On a previous post I assumed my fedora core 2 box did not have the proper > driver for my built in > Broadcom NetXtreme nic. I found a redhat 9 driver and installed it, but it > turns out the real problem is the nic is not being found on boot up, and > does not show up when I launch the hardware browser. When I go into network > device setup it is blank, without a way to add a new nic. Is there a way to > get the box to find the nic on boot up? It worked fine with win 2000, and > shows up prior to the grub screen. If the kernel doesn't see the device, you hardware browser certainly won't. I think these used the Tigon3 driver. Try this: insmod tg3 Else check for updates from fedora's site. I think there were new kernel packages that might solve your problem. Of course you have to burn them to a CDR to get them on the box (or dual boot and mount the windows partition and copy them that way) since your nic doesn't work :P Isn't FC3 out? Maybe that would work "out of the box". -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 15:27:06 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rip, encode, eject on headless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65293fcc04122813277750676@mail.gmail.com> rip fit the bill - I modified it a bit for my needs and am using screen so I don't have to hook up a kb, or montor. thanks for the tip! john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:10:03 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD Burning GUI for Linux? In-Reply-To: <41D18894.1080506@ryanorourke.org> References: <20041227145053.000041ff@ntbsi.bsi.corp> <41D18894.1080506@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <914f813c041228141012791932@mail.gmail.com> X-CD-Roast ? (Compile flag for DVD support plus visitng a website for a "key" (free).) -John On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:23:48 -0600, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I know it can be done easily enough from the command line, but I was > > wondering if anyone knew of a decent GUI for doing DVD burning under > > Linux? Not finding much out there with google. I think a recent LJ > > had something.... > > Here's a good article: > http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/16/1555246&tid=13&tid=47 > > Apparently DVD+RW-Tools is used with K3b and the Nautilus burner. > > HTH. > > -- Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- John T. Hoffoss _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Tue Dec 28 16:30:37 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server Message-ID: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> Hello all, How does one go about requesting new isos for the TCLUG ftp server (ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/)? I'd like to see SuSE 9.2 Pro, Fedora Core 3, and Ubuntu up there. I can help with the effort. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:51:56 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <5c596d0e0412281451556e7d46@mail.gmail.com> I have downloaded iso's core 3 i386 and core 2 x86_64 including SRPMS, I could upload. - Tom On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:30:37 -0600, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Hello all, > > How does one go about requesting new isos for the TCLUG ftp server > (ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/)? > I'd like to see SuSE 9.2 Pro, Fedora Core 3, and Ubuntu up there. I > can help with the effort. > > -- Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 17:11:50 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL 4.1 on Fedora core 2 Message-ID: <5c596d0e04122815113fb8caf9@mail.gmail.com> I've just finished installing MySQL 4.1.8 from the rpm on the mysql site. After battling the dependency nightmare involved I have it installed and working. I had to uninstall many packages which depended on mysql 3.23 (version included in core 2) and of course I cant reinstall them now that 3.23 is gone. I did google up some brief advice about rebuilding rpms from the Source rpms. but I don't understand it. Quote from http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/scott_20041117_131449 "Caveat: the PHP rpms that come with fedora don't like integrating with MySQL 4. Downloading the PHP source RPMs and running `rpmbuild --rebuild` on them after MySQL 4 is installed will link them against the proper libraries and the resulting rpms will install happily." The package I want installed is actually a perl thing needed to use the "mysqlhotcopy" command. (perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9003-4) I did get the source rpm (perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9003-4.src.rpm) and tried this to rebuild it after mysql 4.1 was installed " rpmbuild --rebuild perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9003-4.src.rpm" which got me a whole bunch of errors... so my question is can I rebuild this package to work with my installed version of mysql? other options? any other decent alternatives for backing up live mysql databases? PS.. If you are interested here is a list of packages I needed to remove in order to install MySQL 4.1.8 from rpms , so don't do it unless you REALLY need the features in mysql > 4 perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9003-4 mod_auth_mysql-20030510-4.1 php-mysql-4.3.4-11 mysql-server-3.23.58-9 freeradius-mysql-0.9.3-4 libdbi-dbd-mysql-0.6.5-8.1 MyODBC-2.50.39-18.1 qt-MySQL-3.3.2-2 MySQL-python-0.9.2-3.1 mysql-server-3.23.58-9 freeradius-mysql-0.9.3-4 mysql-bench-3.23.58-9 mysql-devel-3.23.58-9 -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Dec 28 18:04:56 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL 4.1 on Fedora core 2 In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e04122815113fb8caf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c596d0e04122815113fb8caf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041228180456.00003d1a@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:11:50 -0600 Tom Penney wrote: > I've just finished installing MySQL 4.1.8 from the rpm on the mysql > site. After battling the dependency nightmare involved I have it > installed and working. I had to uninstall many packages which > depended on mysql 3.23 (version included in core 2) and of course I > cant reinstall them now that 3.23 is gone. Ugh, when you get into this do a complete source build, you'll be much happier. RPM's are a nightmare IMHO, especially for software you want to update frequently like MySQL, PhP, Apache, etc. RPM's are fine for stuff like glibc, gcc, XOrg, etc. Source build: download source tarball from mysql.com (it's on the bottom of the downloads page) tar zxvf tarball.tar.gz cd mysql-4.1.8 ./configure --help to see options, MySQL builds their releases with the following options: CFLAGS="-O3 -mpentiumpro" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-O3 -mpentiumpro \ -felide-constructors -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure \ --prefix=/usr/local/mysql --enable-assembler \ --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static (see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/configure_options.html) personlly I use this: env CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=pentiumpro" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=pentiumpro -felide-constructors -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" \ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --with-unix-socket-path=/usr/local/mysql/mysql.sock \ --localstatedir=/usr/local/mysql/data \ --enable-assembler \ --enable-local-infile \ --disable-shared \ --with-extra-charsets=complex \ --without-isam \ --enable-thread-safe-client \ --with-vio \ --with-openssl \ --enable-shared=yes \ --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-shared Then: make su make install If you want you can leave all the RPMs that Fedora has installed if there are dependancies on them, assuming you don't install the source build into a location that will cause conflicts or remove them altogether (probably not an option unless you also build PhP and Apache from source which is fine). For example, I always build new versions of openssl the day that a patch or vulnerability is announced. If I'm using an RPM based system (or a .deb, whatever) I leave the openssl RPM installed and use my compiled version of SSL for my custom builds. This isn't for everyone! But it's an option you might want to consider for software YOU want to control. The upfront maintenance is a little heavier, compiling is harder and more time consuming than rpm -Uvh but in the long run I find it yields a more stable system. YMMV, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 19:21:12 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 3.0.10 joining Windows 20003 ADS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tossed this off to samba's list as well, but maybe someone on TCLUG knows? :) abrams:~# kinit admin@CORP.TCC.INET This seems to work just fine. abrams:~# net ads join "TwinCities\TTAGS\SERVERS" [2004/12/28 18:52:20, 0] libads/ldap.c:ads_add_machine_acct(1475) Warning: ads_set_machine_sd: Unexpected information received Using short domain name -- CORP [2004/12/28 18:52:23, 0] libads/kerberos.c:get_service_ticket(335) get_service_ticket: kerberos_kinit_password TTLNX01$@CORP.TCC.INET@CORP.TCC.INET failed: Client not found in Kerberos database Segmentation fault That doesn't work. I look in Active Directory Users & Comptuers and there is a new computer account in the correct location however. Looking at that output, it seems to be trying to create a client named TTLNX01$@CORP.TCC.INET@CORP.TCC.INET. That doesn't seem right, it should be just TTLNX01$@CORP.TCC.INET right? What would be causing that extra @CORP.TCC.INET to be added? Or is it supposed to be that way? I have no /etc/krb5.conf, as according to the Official Samba HOWTO it is not required. "With both MIT and Heimdal Kerberos, it is unnecessary to configure the /etc/krb5.conf, and it may be detrimental." As kinit works, it definitly doesn't seem like I need an /etc/krb5.conf. Not sure if this list allows attachments, so my smb.conf is at http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/stuff/linux/smb.txt The host system is Debian Testing (Sarge) running 2.4.27 on an Alpha processor, using the packages for sarge. If anyone knows how to resolve this, please please please let me know. If you need/want more details, just ask. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 20:30:02 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 3.0.10 joining Windows 20003 ADS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67f3084a041228183055023a3f@mail.gmail.com> Zibs, are you starting winbind prior to starting samba? I haven't tried that level of samba to connect to Win2k3 boxes yet. I'm also assuming that you're connecting via LDAP if I read it correctly? -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 28 22:49:15 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 04:30 pm, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Hello all, > > How does one go about requesting new isos for the TCLUG ftp server > (ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/)? > I'd like to see SuSE 9.2 Pro, Didn't think there was a legit way to get iso images of SuSE, what's the rsync server? > Fedora Core 3, Shaka, when the walls fell? ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/fedora-linux-core/3/i386/iso/ > and Ubuntu up there. I Is there demmand for this? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Dec 29 00:07:43 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:49:15PM -0600 References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041229000743.A22089@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > and Ubuntu up there. I > > Is there demmand for this? There was at the last installfest. It seemed to be the new "hot" distro. The last few TCLUG social events I've attend that seems to be the only distro folks are talking about. I'm happy with stock Debian but hey, whatever the folks want. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Wed Dec 29 00:12:12 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 28 December 2004 04:30 pm, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>How does one go about requesting new isos for the TCLUG ftp server >>(ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/)? >>I'd like to see SuSE 9.2 Pro, > > Didn't think there was a legit way to get iso images of SuSE, what's the rsync > server? SuSE doesn't provide rsync servers for actual mirroring, but it's okay to buy a copy and then distribute it for free. Check this thread: http://lists.olug.org/pipermail/olug/2003-December/011797.html >>Fedora Core 3, > > > Shaka, when the walls fell? > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/fedora-linux-core/3/i386/iso/ Right on. When I checked earlier today the FC3 directory was forbidden. >>and Ubuntu up there. I > > > Is there demmand for this? I thought it was becoming quite a popular Debian based distro - there's been quite a buzz about it over the past several months. Not sure how many on the list are actually using it, but I am growing quite fond of it. More input? BTW, who provides the space and bandwidth for the FTP server? Thank you. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Dec 29 06:03:02 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412271509.iBRF9bn00809@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200412271509.iBRF9bn00809@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1104321782.9627.4.camel@bigtime> I have a bunch of RPMs for VOCP and its dependencies for Fedora if anyone's interested... I really need to make an archive with all the stuff I've packaged. And see about getting it merged somewhere... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Wed Dec 29 07:20:29 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > > BTW, who provides the space and bandwidth for the FTP server? Real-Time and Bob The Magnificent. Same with the list and the thankless task of list maintenance. It's a dirty job, but Bob's got to do it ;) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Dec 29 07:35:16 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > BTW, who provides the space and bandwidth for the FTP server? > > Thank you. You were thanking one of the people responsible, actually. Real Time Enterprises (http://www.real-time.com) provides both the mailing list and the FTP server. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Wed Dec 29 08:11:38 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <41D2BB1A.3080503@ryanorourke.org> Adam Maloney wrote: > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: >> >> BTW, who provides the space and bandwidth for the FTP server? > > Real-Time and Bob The Magnificent. Same with the list and the thankless > task of list maintenance. It's a dirty job, but Bob's got to do it ;) Since I haven't had the opportunity to meet you in person yet, I'd just like to say, "Thanks, Bob. You run a fine operation". _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Dec 29 08:33:15 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server Message-ID: >>> tclug@ryanorourke.org 12/29/04 12:12AM >>> >Bob Tanner wrote: >> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 04:30 pm, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: >> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>How does one go about requesting new isos for the TCLUG ftp server >>>(ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/)? >>>I'd like to see SuSE 9.2 Pro, >> >> Didn't think there was a legit way to get iso images of SuSE, what's the rsync >> server? >SuSE doesn't provide rsync servers for actual mirroring, but it's okay >to buy a copy and then distribute it for free. If that's the case, then I already have the media, courtesy of work. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 29 09:59:35 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <200412290959.35472@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Wednesday 29 December 2004 12:12 am, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > > Shaka, when the walls fell? > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/fedora-linux-core/3/i386/iso/ > > Right on. When I checked earlier today the FC3 directory was forbidden. Probably caught the ftp server in the middle of an rsync with the master mirror. > >>and Ubuntu up there. I ? > > > > Is there demmand for this? > > I thought it was becoming quite a popular Debian based distro - > there's been quite a buzz about it over the past several months. Not > sure how many on the list are actually using it, but I am growing > quite fond of it. More input? Give me rsync server and I'll mirror it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Dec 29 10:12:59 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <20041229161259.GA3030@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Wed Dec 29 10:42:50 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <200412290959.35472@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> <200412290959.35472@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <41D2DE8A.2030407@ryanorourke.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 29 December 2004 12:12 am, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: >>>>and Ubuntu up there. I >>> >>>Is there demmand for this? >> >>I thought it was becoming quite a popular Debian based distro - > > Give me rsync server and I'll mirror it. > Is this what you're looking for? rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ or rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu Found them at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive Thanks! -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 10:56:45 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0412290856284b4333@mail.gmail.com> > > > Fedora Core 3, > > Shaka, when the walls fell? Mirab, his sails unfurled! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Dec 29 11:24:25 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <1104321782.9627.4.camel@bigtime>; from seg@haxxed.com on Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 06:03:02AM -0600 References: <200412271509.iBRF9bn00809@crusader.real-time.com> <1104321782.9627.4.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20041229112425.A9710@thinkunix.net> Callum Lerwick wrote: > I have a bunch of RPMs for VOCP and its dependencies for Fedora if > anyone's interested... > > I really need to make an archive with all the stuff I've packaged. And > see about getting it merged somewhere... How about just uploading to ftp.mn-linux.org with a README file that tells what version(s) of RH they were built on, dependencies, arch, etc. Bob - How about a "contrib" directory for such a thing? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Dec 29 13:51:06 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0412290856284b4333@mail.gmail.com> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <65293fcc0412290856284b4333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041229195106.GA29430@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 10:56:45AM -0600, John Meier wrote: > > > > > Fedora Core 3, > > > > Shaka, when the walls fell? > > Mirab, his sails unfurled! Zinda! His face black, his eyes red! http://www.chaparraltree.com/sflang/darmok.shtml Trammell! Fixing Subject headers on TCLUG! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Wed Dec 29 14:16:23 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch@sk3tch.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deal on Dell Servers (SC420 = $224) Message-ID: Dell PowerEdge SC420 "Servers" are $224 shipped (+tax for MN) for: Celeron 2.53 GHz 512MB (2x256) DDR2 ECC (max 4GB) 40MB SATA HD 48X CD-ROM Black mouse, keyboard No OS ("Dell Certified" to run Windows Server 2003 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0) http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/sc?c=us&cs=04&l=en &s=bsd Some upgrades you may want to consider: +$10 for 80GB SATA HD +$99 for 1GB (2x512) of DDR2 ECC (2x512 sticks at Crucial.com will run you ~$280...why not get a free server with your mem purchase?? :-)) +$99 for P4 2.8 GHz with 1MB cache and HyperThreading Figured it was worthy to pass this on...I've bought a few myself and just received the first one today. They are slick little machines. Ready to be a great server or a great desktop (just mod the PCI-E slot and add a nice video card and buy a sound card!). Find out more (as well as info on modding...you can run x16 PCI-E cards in this baby!) here: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2058 No, I don't work for Dell. :-) sk3tch _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 15:36:49 2004 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-torrent was: more ISOs on TCLUG ftp server In-Reply-To: <20041229161259.GA3030@wookimus.net> References: <41D1DE8D.5090907@ryanorourke.org> <200412282249.15755@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41D24ABC.3050409@ryanorourke.org> <20041229161259.GA3030@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <27e6356a0412291336225329ba@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:12:59 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > .. 1. http://sianka.free.fr/ Note in the FAQ: "Q: What are the current packages available ?: A: At the moment, with the default testing configuration, frozen-bubble is available for Debian unstable." sweet! Looks like a cool idea, though. -- Justin Kremer "The best advice I can give you is not to trust the state for anything." - Henn. Co. Court Officer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Wed Dec 29 16:44:34 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] From Excite.com News - Court: Minn. Can't Regulate Internet Calls Message-ID: <41D33352.3080404@comcast.net> Link to story: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041229/D879J0I81.html Jerry Weihrauch _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:08:11 2004 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! Message-ID: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> Well, I've had it with cheap little inkjet printers. They all suck. I've had my newest one for 3 or 4 months now and it's already developing issues. I don't even want to get it fixed, I just want to throw it off my balcony! I have a feeling that I'll get more enjoyment out of seeing it break into pieces than I'll get use out of it once it's fixed. *whew* Anyway... Can anyone make a recommendation, from experience, of a good Laser printer that'll work well under linux, and that I can probably find used for a reasonable price? I'd prefer under $100, so I'm not looking for new and fancy, just something that'll print several ppm, not jam on me too often, and overall not suck. Any ideas of where to find one, aside from ebay? TIA -- Justin Kremer "The best advice I can give you is not to trust the state for anything." - Henn. Co. Court Officer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Dec 29 20:30:13 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: free to distribute SUSE v9.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D36835.5000909@comcast.net> So when is the next install fest and Bruce will you be there with your SUSE v9.2 CDROMs (or DVDs) so that people can make ISO images of them on their hard drive to burn later? Thanks, Todd Bruce Broecker wrote: >>SuSE doesn't provide rsync servers for actual mirroring, but it's okay >>to buy a copy and then distribute it for free. > > > If that's the case, then I already have the media, courtesy of work. > > Bruce -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 12/28/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Dec 29 20:32:15 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com>; from justin.kremer@gmail.com on Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:08:11PM -0600 References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041229203215.A27687@thinkunix.net> Justin Kremer wrote: > Can anyone make a recommendation, from experience, of a good Laser > printer that'll work well under linux, and that I can probably find > used for a reasonable price? I'd prefer under $100, so I'm not > looking for new and fancy, just something that'll print several ppm, > not jam on me too often, and overall not suck. Any ideas of where to > find one, aside from ebay? cruise over to MPC in Eagan and pick yourself up a nice HP laserjet. from $45 according to their website http://www.materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html I have and old HP laserjet 4L. Bought it in 1995. Has always just worked with linux, even default lpd (no need for cups). 300 dpi, 4 pages/min, postscript and PCL; good enough for my needs. Only complaint, paper tray doesn't hold a lot of paper. Rock solid otherwise. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Dec 29 21:10:58 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> I don't know what they cost these days but I've been pretty happy with my HP LaserJet 1100. I bought it as a refurb about 5 years ago and it's always worked fine under Linux. A year or so ago it started pulling in more than one sheet of paper though but I have not taken it in for adjustment. Justin Kremer wrote: > Well, I've had it with cheap little inkjet printers. They all suck. > I've had my newest one for 3 or 4 months now and it's already > developing issues. I don't even want to get it fixed, I just want to > throw it off my balcony! I have a feeling that I'll get more > enjoyment out of seeing it break into pieces than I'll get use out of > it once it's fixed. *whew* Anyway... > Can anyone make a recommendation, from experience, of a good Laser > printer that'll work well under linux, and that I can probably find > used for a reasonable price? I'd prefer under $100, so I'm not > looking for new and fancy, just something that'll print several ppm, > not jam on me too often, and overall not suck. Any ideas of where to > find one, aside from ebay? > TIA > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Dec 30 08:27:07 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: free to distribute SUSE v9.2 Message-ID: >>> auditodd@comcast.net 12/29/04 08:30PM >>> >So when is the next install fest and Bruce will you be there with your >SUSE v9.2 CDROMs (or DVDs) so that people can make ISO images of them on >their hard drive to burn later? Well, whether I will be there depends entirely on time and location. Having said that, I've been contemplating hosting an installfest at Toro again. We've got a new security person that's into Fedora Core right now, and I might be able to persuade him to assist. Also have a new guy on the server team that is pure geek, and I just know I can get him to join in. That would make it easier on me. Bruce P.S. I said CONTEMPLATING, so back off. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 08:58:58 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> Not sure if they're being made or not, as I haven't looked into printers for a while. But, CompUSA used to sell Samsung printers similar to HP Lazerjets. I think cost was $200 for a low end model. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Dec 30 09:23:52 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041230152352.GA25204@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 08:58:58AM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Not sure if they're being made or not, as I haven't looked into > printers for a while. But, CompUSA used to sell Samsung printers > similar to HP Lazerjets. I think cost was $200 for a low end model. I can't speak for all Samsung printers, but the one I have (ML-1210) doesn't speak PostScript, it speaks GDI. So as long as my Ghostscript is reasonably up-to-date, all is well. I think I would have been better off going with HP though. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 09:43:14 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc04123007436b4c71b7@mail.gmail.com> >Any ideas of where to > find one, aside from ebay? I've always been happy with junk I get from SmithMicroTech - a local action shop: http://smithmicrotech.com/auction/index.html In the past I've seen laser printers for around $25 depending on model. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Thu Dec 30 09:56:26 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41D4252A.1090306@tcq.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: >Not sure if they're being made or not, as I haven't looked into >printers for a while. But, CompUSA used to sell Samsung printers >similar to HP Lazerjets. I think cost was $200 for a low end model. > > > I have a Samsung ML-1210 laser printer that I bought 3-4 years ago for less than $200, if I recall. I don't use it much, still on the original cartridge, so I can't say I have a lot of experience with it. But it's always worked well for me. Linux drivers were included on the CD. The only minor complaint I've had is that graphics (photos) aren't too clear, because of the printer's limited memory. I think I've recently seen new Samsung printers selling for as low as $100 or $150 (after rebates). Kraig _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayne at puklich.com Tue Dec 7 22:24:13 2004 From: blayne at puklich.com (Blayne Puklich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: MNVUG Meeting this Friday 12/10 Message-ID: <2147483647.1102328841@[10.4.199.26]> This is a friendly reminder about the MNVUG meeting this Friday, 12/10. We've been invited to the VERITAS Technology Day, which happens this Friday, December 10 from 10:45am to 2:00pm at the Roseville facility. During the event we'll have a break-out session just for us to have our MNVUG meeting. This isn't on the schedule but will happen during the brunch beginning shortly after 1:00 pm in a meeting room to be determined. We're hoping that some new folks from the VERITAS sessions join us! There are some really great topics for the Technology Day, so I highly encourage folks to attend. Please do remember to register for this so VERITAS knows you're attending! This will be the last meeting of the year for the MNVUG. Don't worry though, we'll schedule more soon. Attached you should find a web page with information on the events as well as a link to register. Please register so you're counted! Thanks! --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djb at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 15 01:45:04 2004 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: TCSA meeting December 16 Message-ID: MEETING REMINDER: Thursday, December 16th, 2004 at 7 pm ----- The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- REMINDER: Next Meeting: Topic: Smart Storage Solutions For Your Business Speaker: Apple Computer Date/Time: December 16, 2004 7:00 pm Location: Sheraton Bloomington Hotel Synopsis: Apple Computer will host a business seminar on Apple Storage Solutions at the Sheraton Bloomington Hotel. For more information and to register for the seminar, use the following URL: http://seminars.apple.com/goToEvent.html?id=31802 Registration for the seminar is optional for TCSA members, but would be helpful. Apple will host this seminar at the Sheraton Bloomington Hotel, at 7800 Normandale Boulevard, in meeting room Veranda 5-6. Tentative Meeting Schedule January 20, 2005 Review of LISA 2004 Conference February 17, 2005 Directions: The Sheraton Bloomington Hotel is at 7800 Normandale Boulevard on the northwest corner of Hwy 494 and Highway 100 in Bloomington. From I-494, go north on Highway 100, exit at Industrial Blvd, and the hotel will be located directly off the exit. - Parking Free parking is available. - More information about the Sheraton Bloomington Hotel (including driving directions and a map) can be found at: http://www.sheraton.com/bloomington For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: djb@tc.umn.edu or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org Wed Dec 15 20:19:04 2004 From: ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] GPG Key Signing - Thursday, January 20th, 2005 - 3pm Message-ID: <20041215061218.GD23241@ry4an.org> I'm holding another of my GPG key signing events on Thursday, January 20th, 2004 at 3pm on the U of MN East Bank Campus. It's open to all, but preregistration is required. Please see http://ry4an.org/keysigning/ for details. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org/unblog/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benj at thejordanproject.com Wed Dec 29 17:12:41 2004 From: benj at thejordanproject.com (Ben Jordan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG January 8th Meeting (Noon - 2PM, U of M) Message-ID: <20041229231241.31B03207347@mail.intrcomm.net> TCLUG Members - I hope you've survived the holiday season. I know I have, but just barely. We've got a meeting coming up on January 8th, at Noon. Paul Anderson, of Wind River, is going to be speaking to us about his company and how they have become the market leader in device software. It's sure to be an interesting one, especially with devices like the Mars Rover in their list of customers. He's not afraid to get technical either, so bring your questions. For more details, check out the Meeting Info Page on the TCLUG Website (http://www.tclug.org/meetings/) Hope to see you there. As a note, I would like to introduce myself. I will be sending out the announcements and coordinating the meetings in 2005. Some of you may have met me at the Installfest a few months back. I am excited to be involved, and hope to bring some exciting speakers to the TCLUG this year. If you have any suggestions, comments, or concerns, please email me at benj@thejordanproject.com now, or in the future. Thanks, and we'll see you at the meeting. Ben Jordan _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 30 10:06:19 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug member upload/contrib area WAS New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20041229112425.A9710@thinkunix.net> References: <200412271509.iBRF9bn00809@crusader.real-time.com> <1104321782.9627.4.camel@bigtime> <20041229112425.A9710@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200412301006.20062@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Wednesday 29 December 2004 11:24 am, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I have a bunch of RPMs for VOCP and its dependencies for Fedora if > > anyone's interested... > > > > I really need to make an archive with all the stuff I've packaged. And > > see about getting it merged somewhere... > > How about just uploading to ftp.mn-linux.org with a README file that > tells what version(s) of RH they were built on, dependencies, arch, > etc. > > Bob - How about a "contrib" directory for such a thing? Let me bounce the idea around here at Real Time, mostly I'm concerned about some dumb-mofo using it as a warez point or quota issues. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Thu Dec 30 10:30:51 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <41D42D3B.3090606@cdf123.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I don't know what they cost these days but I've been pretty happy with > my HP LaserJet 1100. I bought it as a refurb about 5 years ago and it's > always worked fine under Linux. A year or so ago it started pulling in > more than one sheet of paper though but I have not taken it in for > adjustment. > > Justin Kremer wrote: > >> Well, I've had it with cheap little inkjet printers. They all suck. >> I've had my newest one for 3 or 4 months now and it's already >> developing issues. I don't even want to get it fixed, I just want to >> throw it off my balcony! I have a feeling that I'll get more >> enjoyment out of seeing it break into pieces than I'll get use out of >> it once it's fixed. *whew* Anyway... >> Can anyone make a recommendation, from experience, of a good Laser >> printer that'll work well under linux, and that I can probably find >> used for a reasonable price? I'd prefer under $100, so I'm not >> looking for new and fancy, just something that'll print several ppm, >> not jam on me too often, and overall not suck. Any ideas of where to >> find one, aside from ebay? >> TIA >> > I highly recommend HP lasers. They are great. But I want to offer one word of caution. Find a printer you want, then do some research on it before handing over the cash. I bought a HP Laserjet 1000 a few years back. It was an HP, a laser, and cheap. I thought I couldn't go wrong. But it turns out that HP outsourced the development and manufacturing of this model, and that resulted in a rather nice looking paperweight that sometimes, when the stars aligned just right, would act like a printer. If I would have spent even 10 minutes searching google I would have found lots of wonderful information that would have saved me a lot of hassle and money. Here's a few lines from http://www.linuxprinting.org: The printer has only 1 MB of RAM and 32 kb (!) of ROM and is USB only. The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. The printer is working fine now, but I've had to live through 3 years of torment to get it that way. The moral of the story is to check around after you find a good buy and make sure that there are no hidden "features" in that model that will cause you grief. As I said above, I highly recommend HP lasers, especially the older parallel port ones. I installed about 8 of them for family and friends about 5-8 years ago, (4Ls, 5Ls, and a 6L iirc) they are _ALL_ still working great. My $0.02 Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Dec 30 10:50:29 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] semi-ot: so many printer options! In-Reply-To: <20041230152352.GA25204@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <27e6356a0412291808360e5b05@mail.gmail.com> <41D371C2.8050001@eworld3.net> <67f3084a04123006582a29515f@mail.gmail.com> <20041230152352.GA25204@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1104425429.41d431d5ca82d@my.visi.com> Depending on what you "need". Speed, DPI, Duplexing, etc... Hp has some under $200 laser printers that will work for years. I have an HP LJ 4+, I got it used and cheep. It's less expensive to run then an Ink Jet and easy to maintain. It's an 8ppm printer that does 600 DPI with power saving features. I have it connected to an HP Jet Direct not a computer. For documents and basic monochrome graphics it's great. Three guidelines for buying printers. 1. Easy to maintain If you have to remove the fuser to put in a toner cartridge it's not easy If the paper is jamming all the time it's not easy 2. Cost effective If you have to buy 2-3 items (toner, optical drum, or fuser) when the toner runs out it's not so cost effective. Does it use suck power. 3. Easy to use Does the paper go in easy, what's the jam history of the product, Does it have a complicated menu system. Consumables for HP printers should be HP. I know they are expensive but you will have less leakage and fewer spills. You will also get longer life from the consumables from HP then from refilled after market products. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 31 15:00:28 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer help? Message-ID: <20041231210028.GA540@fireopal.org> lpq reports "waiting for lp to become ready (offline?)" The printer is on and waiting. I've power-cycled the printer. I've restarted lpd. What do I try next? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 31 15:21:13 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer help? In-Reply-To: <20041231210028.GA540@fireopal.org> References: <20041231210028.GA540@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20041231212113.GA757@fireopal.org> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 03:00:28PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > lpq reports "waiting for lp to become ready (offline?)" > > The printer is on and waiting. I've power-cycled the printer. I've > restarted lpd. What do I try next? cupsys. Restarting cupsys fixed it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 31 15:41:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer help? In-Reply-To: <20041231212113.GA757@fireopal.org> References: <20041231210028.GA540@fireopal.org> <20041231212113.GA757@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20041231214122.GA15913@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Fri Dec 31 23:04:51 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] From today in history In-Reply-To: <20041227200229.GA25314@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 01:32:01PM -0600, smac@visi.com wrote: > > First exposure to computing hmmmmmm..... > > > > At one of the elementary schools I went to, think it was Gatewood in > > Minnetonka. One of the kids dads (who worked for Control Data) taught > > us "The language of computers" binary, I thought "How cool is that, a > > language no one can speak!" > > Mine was similar--I was in Cub Scouts, and one of the kids' dads gave a > demo on how to count in binary. Been geeky ever since. Sigh. When I was in Cub Scouts, my dad was the guy who gave the example of counting in binary. And I already knew how. Sigh. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Fri Dec 31 23:20:09 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:56:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug member upload/contrib area WAS New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200412301006.20062@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bob Tanner wrote: > Let me bounce the idea around here at Real Time, mostly I'm concerned about > some dumb-mofo using it as a warez point or quota issues. I comment that I've been looking (not very hard, but I have been looking) for a place to toss my slides from last month presentation on Ocaml, so people could grab them if they're interested. A way around this could be to have a directory you can upload to, but can see or download from in ftp- only the administrator can see into that directory (probably only from a shell account). If someone wanted to put something up, they would upload this directory, and ping the administrator. Once the administrator determined that the files weren't warez or pr0n or other garbage, and belong on the TCLUG web site, they'd move them to a directory where people could see and download the files. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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