From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sun Feb 1 00:06:24 2004 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Re: Downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 Message-ID: <200402010000.11538.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Thanks, everyone for your responses. I think I'll just either buy 9.0 or wait until the latest version comes out from Novell/SuSE (I understand there's been a new stable kernal developed late last year). As I have a dial-up and don't trust the connection to stay up for hours on end, I would rather just buy the disks. Thanks again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Feb 1 01:05:50 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TI Network Explorer and AI Message-ID: <1089.68.112.123.230.1075618652.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Does anyone on this list work in an AI lab, specifically with LISP? A recent Slashdot post has reignited my interest in my TI Network Explorer which has sat idle since it was givne to me years ago. Supposedly these machines, while quite ancient, are still humming and are still used in LISP development. If anyone has seen/used/heard of or even owns one of these gems to retro computing, can you please e-mail me? Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Sun Feb 1 02:38:47 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Re: Downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200402010000.11538.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200402010000.11538.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3811.192.168.70.42.1075623859.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> If your looking for basic workstation kinds of things to do, get the cheaper personal version. If you want to have an extra services like apache, samba, dns, dhcp, nfs servers, you'll want to go with the professional version. Check out the differences. http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/pers_prof.html I purchased the professional version because I needed the extra serices, its been great. Good luck. > Thanks, everyone for your responses. I think I'll just either buy 9.0 or > wait until the latest version comes out from Novell/SuSE (I understand > there's been a new stable kernal developed late last year). As I have a > dial-up and don't trust the connection to stay up for hours on end, I > would rather just buy the disks. > > Thanks again. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 10:04:53 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401BFE80.7010104@visi.com> References: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> <401BF6D5.2060608@visi.com> <401BFE80.7010104@visi.com> Message-ID: <401D21B9.8060805@visi.com> Make.... Samuel MacDonald wrote: > So when I > ftp ftp.perl.org > cd pub > no /pub/CPAN directory exists in > > I looked in... > /pub/mirrors/CPAN/src > no "perl-5.8.0.tar.gz" exists, a "perl-5.8.1.tar.gz" exists > > I do believe perl.org has changed something or Gentoo.org need to fix > the code that is being used. > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> Now I'm POed this really makes installing Gentoo impossible. >> If the site is suppose to have the software on it, it should be there. >> >> Can I just start the "emerge system" again? >> >> This is the problem as it is displayed... >> >> Resolving ftp.perl.org ... done. >> Connecting to ftp.perl.org[209.221.142.118]:21... connected. >> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! >> ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. >> ==>TYPE I ...done. ==> CWD /pub/CPAN/src ... done. >> ==> PASV .. done. ==>RETR perl-5.8.0.tar.gz ... >> No such file 'Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz . >> !!! Couldn't download Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz Aborting. >> >> >> Sam. >> >> >> Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >>> emerge system >>> >>> Sam. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Feb 1 10:44:10 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> Message-ID: <200402011033.45876.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 31 January 2004 01:39 pm, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I agree with this completely, support is very important. > However the "tradition" has been to have the ISO's available. > > I've purchased several editions of several distributions It depends on whose "tradition" you are talking about. If my memory is correct SuSE hasn't had an "Evaluation Version" other than the LiveEval since somewhere around 7.1. I know they had loaded evals for 5.x and I believe 6.x (but I might be wrong that's when I started buying the box sets) but not much after that. The exception was/is the SPARC version. The ISOs for their last SPARC version (7.something) are still available for download. So SuSE's "tradition" has been more of the LiveEval CD than loadable ISOs. Jack - Your local SuSE bigot. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 12:15:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAI Message-ID: <401D4017.5030505@visi.com> (Crazy A$$ Idea) While watching Gentoo compile my brain was in an idle state watching GCC do it's thing. I was then thinking of a way to introduce Linux to office workers. Office workers need to use eMail, Calendar, WordProcessing, SpreadSheets, and access data from databases. Yes, I know some use applications that are "special" like Autocad among many. I thought why not present Linux to them at lunch? It doesn't take long to "image" a M$ machine, why not create a "image" of several Linux distributions. Get some laptops, desktops, and even a server or 2 temporally donated from a vendor or 2, setup a traveling display at an area mall. "Lunch & Linux", I have a very good connection at City Center, my Wife is the retail property manager. We could do some weekend gigs at the other malls in the area. We would be able to show off Distro's, Open Office, Groopware, and other software that the average office worker would use on a daily basis. It might peak some interest. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 12:22:57 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: <401D4313.10803@visi.com> Hmmmm. I'm at "Installing Sources" Having a small (large?) problem with "Code listing 4: Changing the kernel source symlink" I used "emerge --usepkg gentoo-sources" as I wanted the performance from that source. when I... # ls -l /usr/src/linux I get... ls: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory but when I... ls -l /usr/src I get... drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Feb 1 04:49 linux 2.4.22-gentoo-r5 so I can't... # rm /usr/src/linux && ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22 /usr/src/linux do I... ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-gentoo-r5 /usr/src/linux I really don't want to screw up at this point! Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Feb 1 12:50:26 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAI In-Reply-To: <401D4017.5030505@visi.com> References: <401D4017.5030505@visi.com> Message-ID: <2282.68.112.123.230.1075660957.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > (Crazy A$$ Idea) Not really :-) > why not present Linux to them at lunch? Excellent. > It doesn't take long to "image" a M$ machine, why not create a "image" > of several Linux distributions. Why not Live CDs? Then you can send them home with linux CDs tht won't fsck up their own boxes. > Get some laptops, desktops, and even a server or 2 > temporally donated from a vendor or 2, setup a traveling display at an area mall. "Lunch & Linux", Neat idea. A few laptops and a hub should travel easily enough. For real wow factor you could also go wireless. > I have a very good connection at City Center, my Wife is the retail property manager. d00d... sounds like you've got a good thing ready to go. This isn't too far off from what I have at work. I have 3 Windows laptops set up to test and demonstrate things. It all uses wireless, and I've got 3 different versions of Windows to test with. It adds wow factor. If you go wireless, you can easily stuff 3 laptops into a larger case. I had to take out the padding and extra crap, but my little demo network can travel with me. I wish you luck! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Feb 1 13:09:23 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402011906.i11J66N15444@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Free Pentiums i've got two pentium-200 machines i various states of near functionality. one was previously my gateway and only requires a harddrive (current one is very flaky), the other i've never used but i think it needs an atx psu and harddrive. both are free but you have to pick them up (north metro). there's also a couple older pentiums here that are pretty well stripped, but if anyone is interested, i'd love to be rid of them. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcgreenwald at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 1 13:16:31 2004 From: lcgreenwald at frontiernet.net (Larry Greenwald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401D4313.10803@visi.com> References: <401D4313.10803@visi.com> Message-ID: <1075662557.2569.46.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> You are correct. Just make the link. On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 12:18, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Hmmmm. > > I'm at > "Installing Sources" > > Having a small (large?) problem with > "Code listing 4: Changing the kernel source symlink" > > I used "emerge --usepkg gentoo-sources" as I wanted the performance from > that source. > > when I... > # ls -l /usr/src/linux > I get... > ls: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory > but when I... > ls -l /usr/src > I get... > drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Feb 1 04:49 linux 2.4.22-gentoo-r5 > > so I can't... > # rm /usr/src/linux && ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22 /usr/src/linux > > do I... > ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-gentoo-r5 /usr/src/linux > > I really don't want to screw up at this point! > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 1 13:24:59 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> <200402011033.45876.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <002401c3e8f7$fb244450$24fea8c0@computer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 13:44:09 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <1075662557.2569.46.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> References: <401D4313.10803@visi.com> <1075662557.2569.46.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> Message-ID: <401D55B9.7050609@visi.com> Thanks It is working fine now :-) Sam. Larry Greenwald wrote: >You are correct. Just make the link. > >On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 12:18, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>Hmmmm. >> >>I'm at >> "Installing Sources" >> >>Having a small (large?) problem with >> "Code listing 4: Changing the kernel source symlink" >> >>I used "emerge --usepkg gentoo-sources" as I wanted the performance from >>that source. >> >>when I... >># ls -l /usr/src/linux >>I get... >> ls: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory >>but when I... >> ls -l /usr/src >>I get... >> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Feb 1 04:49 linux 2.4.22-gentoo-r5 >> >>so I can't... >># rm /usr/src/linux && ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22 /usr/src/linux >> >>do I... >>ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-gentoo-r5 /usr/src/linux >> >>I really don't want to screw up at this point! >> >>Sam. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 14:39:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO Message-ID: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> I finally was able to reboot. Grub came up with "Gentoo Linux 2.4.22" I pressed "enter" the machine restarts and Grub comes up again. hda1 is /boot hda2 is /swap hda3 is (compaq setup) hda4 is / Grub has root (hd0,0) kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. I did "a" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. I've changed everything I could think of to get this to boot but it will not get past Grub First this has taken all weekend to build I've followed the instructions to the letter. Second if I didn't know about something I asked "before" I continued. Third I'm a bit frazzled now... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 1 15:02:14 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> <200402011033.45876.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <002a01c3e905$616d09b0$24fea8c0@computer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 1 15:40:29 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> <200402011033.45876.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <002901c3e903$244c9c00$24fea8c0@computer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Feb 1 21:39:14 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAI In-Reply-To: <401D4017.5030505@visi.com> References: <401D4017.5030505@visi.com> Message-ID: <200402012127.41248.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 01 February 2004 12:06 pm, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > (Crazy A$$ Idea) > > While watching Gentoo compile my brain was in an idle state watching GCC > do it's thing. > > I was then thinking of a way to introduce Linux to office workers. > Office workers need > to use eMail, Calendar, WordProcessing, SpreadSheets, and access data > from databases. > Yes, I know some use applications that are "special" like Autocad among > many. I thought > why not present Linux to them at lunch? > > It doesn't take long to "image" a M$ machine, why not create a "image" > of several Linux > distributions. Get some laptops, desktops, and even a server or 2 > temporally donated from > a vendor or 2, setup a traveling display at an area mall. "Lunch & > Linux", I have a very good > connection at City Center, my Wife is the retail property manager. We > could do some > weekend gigs at the other malls in the area. > > We would be able to show off Distro's, Open Office, Groopware, and other > software that > the average office worker would use on a daily basis. > > It might peak some interest. > > Sam. Interesting idea. Personally I like the LiveCD idea since it allows us to give away something.Between SuSE's LiveEval, Mandrake's LiveCD version, Knoppix and all its derivatives we could show a variety of stuff. My feeling is that if you showed SuSE, Mandrake and Knoppix(Debian) you'd cover a far bit of the Linux universe. Let me know if you set something up, I might be willing to pitch in some time to talk to folks. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Sun Feb 1 21:58:35 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> Message-ID: <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > Grub has > root (hd0,0) > kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 > BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 > > I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" > I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it won't take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, mount the boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. Easy fix on this one. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 1 22:50:37 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 endless restarting of the machine. The Wandering Dru wrote: > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> >> Grub has >> root (hd0,0) >> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 >> BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 >> >> I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" >> I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. > > > Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it won't > take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, mount the > boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. > > Easy fix on this one. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcgreenwald at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 1 23:45:37 2004 From: lcgreenwald at frontiernet.net (Larry Greenwald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> Message-ID: <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> Try: kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda4 vga=788 Needs to be (hd0,0) not (hda0,0) Larry On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:47, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 > > endless restarting of the machine. > > The Wandering Dru wrote: > > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > >> > >> Grub has > >> root (hd0,0) > >> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 > >> BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 > >> > >> I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" > >> I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. > > > > > > Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it won't > > take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, mount the > > boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. > > > > Easy fix on this one. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 2 01:10:46 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> Message-ID: <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> It is I fat fingered the typing of it. Sam. Larry Greenwald wrote: >Try: >kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda4 vga=788 >Needs to be (hd0,0) not (hda0,0) > >Larry > >On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:47, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 >> >>endless restarting of the machine. >> >>The Wandering Dru wrote: >> >> >> >>>Samuel MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Grub has >>>> root (hd0,0) >>>> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 >>>>BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 >>>> >>>>I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" >>>>I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. >>>> >>>> >>>Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it won't >>>take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, mount the >>>boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. >>> >>>Easy fix on this one. >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 2 05:00:46 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <20040126210721.GA86744@nan2d.com> References: <40157ACC.3040802@visi.com> <20040126210721.GA86744@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1075719170.12290.11.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 2 07:49:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> Message-ID: <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? It finds Grub but can't get Linux to boot. Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > It is I fat fingered the typing of it. > > Sam. > > Larry Greenwald wrote: > >> Try: >> kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda4 vga=788 >> Needs to be (hd0,0) not (hda0,0) >> >> Larry >> >> On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:47, Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 >>> >>> endless restarting of the machine. >>> >>> The Wandering Dru wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Samuel MacDonald wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Grub has >>>>> root (hd0,0) >>>>> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 >>>>> BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 >>>>> >>>>> I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" >>>>> I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it >>>> won't take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, >>>> mount the boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. >>>> >>>> Easy fix on this one. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Feb 2 08:19:07 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040202141346.GA10428@refried.org> On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 07:42:20AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? Probably, but I don't think it's because of the root= arg. Since the system is rebooting on you and not just failing to find your kernel or root device something else is wrong. The first thing I would try is removing the vga=788 from your options. Second, I would ask exactly when the system reboots. Do you get any kernel messages like the version, bios info, memory allocations? If not, your kernel isn't being loaded at all and grub is choaking hard on something. I'd either reinstall GRUB or fall back to LILO. If you do get a few kernel messages, try using the disto's kernel instead of your custom kernel. You might just have something wrong with your .config and will need to rebuild your kernel with the correct options. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 2 08:39:03 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <20040202141346.GA10428@refried.org> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> <20040202141346.GA10428@refried.org> Message-ID: <401E6080.6050100@visi.com> No messages at all it just displays the lines in the Grub configuration file. nate@refried.org wrote: >On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 07:42:20AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? >> >> > >Probably, but I don't think it's because of the root= arg. Since the >system is rebooting on you and not just failing to find your kernel or >root device something else is wrong. > >The first thing I would try is removing the vga=788 from your options. > >Second, I would ask exactly when the system reboots. Do you get any >kernel messages like the version, bios info, memory allocations? If >not, your kernel isn't being loaded at all and grub is choaking hard on >something. I'd either reinstall GRUB or fall back to LILO. > >If you do get a few kernel messages, try using the disto's kernel >instead of your custom kernel. You might just have something wrong with >your .config and will need to rebuild your kernel with the correct >options. > >Nate > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Feb 2 10:09:25 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401E6080.6050100@visi.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Check and make sure your kernel is named what it is in Grub. It should give you an error if it weren't the same, but I've heard of it not doing so. Also try booting off the LiveCD and rerun Grub setup for the hdd (it's outlined in the install doc, but if I recall correctly, run grub, root(hd0), setup(hd0,0), exit. I think Gentoo does it by default now, but awhile ago I had similar problems (but got an error message) that were resolved by putting a symlink named boot inside /boot that referred to /boot. Then, in my kernel specification, I had (hd0,0)/boot/kernel. For whatever reason, when I did this, it would not take (hd0,0)/kernel even though it should have. Two things to at least glance at... > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel > MacDonald Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:37 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO > > > No messages at all it just displays the lines in the Grub > configuration > file. > > > nate@refried.org wrote: > > >On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 07:42:20AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > > > >>Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? > >> > >> > > > >Probably, but I don't think it's because of the root= arg. > Since the > >system is rebooting on you and not just failing to find your > kernel or > >root device something else is wrong. > > > >The first thing I would try is removing the vga=788 from > your options. > > > >Second, I would ask exactly when the system reboots. Do you get > >any kernel messages like the version, bios info, memory > >allocations? If not, your kernel isn't being loaded at all and > >grub is > choaking hard on > >something. I'd either reinstall GRUB or fall back to LILO. > > > >If you do get a few kernel messages, try using the disto's kernel > >instead of your custom kernel. You might just have something > >wrong with your .config and will need to rebuild your kernel with > the correct > >options. > > > >Nate > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQB50JNRLIBm9yjm3EQKTqQCfSyHUXjgNLPevXWsKXIrCMmrY9SwAoPVW MFccnjgMFUGVR1KH8nLvKWQ5 =5EQ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Feb 2 10:28:34 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [REPOST] /proc in a chroot jail? In-Reply-To: <20040127010219.38ad482f@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040127010219.38ad482f@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040202101938.02c9d809@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Been a week (almost) and I haven't had any takers. Thought I'd repost... Thx, Josh On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:02:19 -0600 Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm trying to setup a chroot jail for some of my students and I am providing a java compiler for their development use since part of the class is programming java. Due to a strange bug/feature in java 1.4.2, java/javac/etc will not function without a /proc filesystem. (http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4861802.html - fixed for Solaris users) > > So, I made a /proc file system in their jail using: > > mount -t proc proc /usr/local/mychroot/proc > > A little bit of searching tells me that this is a security risk. Does anyone here know anything more about this? I saw somewhere googling that it is possible using a 2.4.x kernel to make a "more secure /proc filesystem" but they didn't say how. I suppose by providing a java compiler I'm already making the chroot somewhat insecure. > > Does anyone have opinions on the security a chroot jail provides for login accounts? I've seen stuff like this on the web and it makes me a little antsy: http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html but it's better than just giving full system access I guess. > > Also, do people make /dev in their chroots? If so, how? > > Thx, > > Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 2 11:08:05 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redirecting output of a command to pipe Message-ID: Hi, I have a command (pfmon in IA64 system) which takes filename as a parameter. It samples the counters present in the processor at a given sampling rate and stores it into the file. This command stores lot more data than what I want. Since it stores it in column format, I can write a small awk script to parse the file to get the data which I want. The problem is that the raw file which I get from pfmon is just too big ( about 100 GB or so) and hence I run out of disk space before I can process it with my awk script. My question is there a special file in linux ( The system is RH with kernel version linux-2.4.18-e.25, I dont know the RH version number), which I can specify in the command line of pfmon and which I can read simultaneously with a pipe or something so that I can process the data as and when it generates? Thanks for the help. Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Feb 2 11:09:41 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /proc in a chroot jail? References: <20040127010219.38ad482f@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <000801c3e9ad$7e3bad00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > A little bit of searching tells me that this is a security risk. > Does anyone here know anything more about this? I saw somewhere > googling that it is possible using a 2.4.x kernel to make a "more > secure /proc filesystem" but they didn't say how. It is only insecure if the kernel has security holes in the /proc filesystem code. > Does anyone have opinions on the security a chroot jail provides for > login accounts? I've seen stuff like this on the web and it makes me > a little antsy: http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html > but it's better than just giving full system access I guess. It provides more security because you only have to worry about the security of the kernel and not all of the setuid programs that are normally installed with the OS. That page is merely an explanation of what should be common knowledge: chroot does nothing to protect against root. If a chroot jail has no setuid binaries, then the only way to get root is through a kernel security hole. A non-privileged user cannot break out of a chroot jail. You might look at FreeBSD's jail: http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.html http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=jail&sektion=2 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=jail&sektion=8 > Also, do people make /dev in their chroots? If so, how? They might. Devices are created as normal using mknod(2). Your OS might have a script like /dev/MAKEDEV that does this for you. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Mon Feb 2 11:09:55 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> Message-ID: <401E8156.3090306@askewview.net> Sam, Easiest thing would be to boot off the live cd again, chroot into your gentoo system then edit the config from there :) Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? > > It finds Grub but can't get Linux to boot. > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> It is I fat fingered the typing of it. >> >> Sam. >> >> Larry Greenwald wrote: >> >>> Try: >>> kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda4 vga=788 >>> Needs to be (hd0,0) not (hda0,0) >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:47, Samuel MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 >>>> >>>> endless restarting of the machine. >>>> >>>> The Wandering Dru wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Samuel MacDonald wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Grub has >>>>>> root (hd0,0) >>>>>> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 >>>>>> BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 >>>>>> >>>>>> I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" >>>>>> I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it >>>>> won't take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, >>>>> mount the boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. >>>>> >>>>> Easy fix on this one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Feb 2 11:19:49 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redirecting output of a command to pipe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think this is what you need: pfmon | awk > outfile (if awk doesn't automatically dump to a specific file) | is pipe, > is output redirection to a file. >> will append output to a file, not overwrite. Hope this helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of > Sreekumar Kodakara > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Redirecting output of a command to pipe > > > Hi, > > I have a command (pfmon in IA64 system) which takes filename > as a parameter. It samples the counters present in the > processor at a given sampling rate and stores it into the > file. This command stores lot more data than what I want. > Since it stores it in column format, I can write a small awk > script to parse the file to get the data which I want. The > problem is that the raw file which I get from pfmon is just > too big ( about 100 GB or so) and hence I run out of disk > space before I can process it with my awk script. > > My question is there a special file in linux ( The system > is RH with kernel version linux-2.4.18-e.25, I dont know the > RH version number), which I can specify in the command line > of pfmon and which I can read simultaneously with a pipe or > something so that I can process the data as and when it generates? > > > Thanks for the help. > > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Feb 2 11:43:29 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redirecting output of a command to pipe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075743300.13825.56.camel@unixws1> You want pfmon to send the data to STDOUT instead of a file, and then pipe it to awk (as John suggested). If it's a "good" program, then by not specifying a filename it will probably just default to STDOUT. Or with some commands you can specify "-" as the file to mean stdout. So, as John suggested, pfmon | awk '{ SOME STUFF }' > output_file Just make sure that pfmon without a filename parameter will spit to STDOUT, or you'll have 100GB going somewhere that you weren't expecting :) On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 10:52, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > > I have a command (pfmon in IA64 system) which takes filename as a > parameter. It samples the counters present in the processor at a given > sampling rate and stores it into the file. This command stores lot more > data than what I want. Since it stores it in column format, I can write a > small awk script to parse the file to get the data which I want. The > problem is that the raw file which I get from pfmon is just too big ( > about 100 GB or so) and hence I run out of disk space before I can process > it with my awk script. > > My question is there a special file in linux ( The system > is RH with kernel version linux-2.4.18-e.25, I dont know the RH version > number), which I can specify in the command line of pfmon and which I > can read simultaneously with a pipe or something so that I can process the > data as and when it generates? > > > Thanks for the help. > > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew.lange at langeconsulting.com Mon Feb 2 11:44:08 2004 From: matthew.lange at langeconsulting.com (Matthew Lange) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best Linux fiber NIC Message-ID: <32390.168.183.16.145.1075743455.squirrel@extranet.langeconsulting.com> Does anybody have a recommendation for a fiber NIC that works well under Linux? I've had bad luck with 3Com cards (who hasn't?), so they've been rules out... TIA Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Mon Feb 2 12:15:22 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mandrake, dual boots Message-ID: <200402021805.i12I5GFj010943@dingo.software.umn.edu> thanks for the help, I made my redhat hd the master and managed to get mandrake to boot. something odd though was the fact that in the grub.conf that came with redhat, it had initrd /initrd.conf or something and when I did the same thing with the mandrake block, it didn't work, I had to put initrd=/initrd.conf, any ideas why? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Feb 2 12:18:13 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best Linux fiber NIC Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> matthew.lange@langeconsulting.com 02/02/04 11:37AM >>> > Does anybody have a recommendation for a fiber NIC that works well under > Linux? I've had bad luck with 3Com cards (who hasn't?), so they've been > rules out... I've had good results with current Intel adapters under Linux. I have not, however used Inte's fiber adapters with Linux. I do know that they use the same drivers, so that shouldn't be a problem. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Feb 2 12:29:15 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... Message-ID: I decided to give Fedora a shot for a bit, though after getting it all up and running I nearly went back to the backup of my Debian Stable install due to Fedora's version of XMMS not including mp3 support. (Due to licensing/patent issues or something.) Alright, deep breath. XMMS.org has RPMs for xmms. Download, install...needs alib-blah, or wast it asound-blah...damn I miss apt. Install apt, check sources.lost, add freshrpms.net. apt-get install alsa-lib. Ah, that's better. rpm -U xmms*.rpm. Hello raidioparadise.com, Fedora can stick around for another week or so. So now that I'm this far, anyone have any other tips or things I should know? This is the first time I installed a RPM based distro without being fustrated enough by it to reinstall Debian the next day. Still getting used to the RedHat way of doing things with Run Levels and using services instead of /etc/init.d/. Well, back to stumbling blindly about my fresh new install... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Mon Feb 2 12:43:52 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those (mp3) and so on problems are due to license issue, but there is a repository you can add to yum and it will fix all of those. I don't remember the link, but search for "livna" it basically will tell you how to add another place to look for yum repositories. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:25 PM To: TCLUG-list Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... I decided to give Fedora a shot for a bit, though after getting it all up and running I nearly went back to the backup of my Debian Stable install due to Fedora's version of XMMS not including mp3 support. (Due to licensing/patent issues or something.) Alright, deep breath. XMMS.org has RPMs for xmms. Download, install...needs alib-blah, or wast it asound-blah...damn I miss apt. Install apt, check sources.lost, add freshrpms.net. apt-get install alsa-lib. Ah, that's better. rpm -U xmms*.rpm. Hello raidioparadise.com, Fedora can stick around for another week or so. So now that I'm this far, anyone have any other tips or things I should know? This is the first time I installed a RPM based distro without being fustrated enough by it to reinstall Debian the next day. Still getting used to the RedHat way of doing things with Run Levels and using services instead of /etc/init.d/. Well, back to stumbling blindly about my fresh new install... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Feb 2 13:10:40 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best Linux fiber NIC In-Reply-To: <32390.168.183.16.145.1075743455.squirrel@extranet.langeconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Matthew Lange wrote: > I've had bad luck with 3Com cards (who hasn't?) I haven't. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Feb 2 13:19:20 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... Message-ID: Andy, Here are links that might be helpful: http://rpm.livna.org/ http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO.php http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article.php http://www.jdmz.net/yum/ I think: /etc/yum.conf == sources.list yum install alsa-lib == apt-get install alsa-lib Good luck, Troy >>> chris.smith@apigroupinc.com 02/02/04 12:35PM >>> Those (mp3) and so on problems are due to license issue, but there is a repository you can add to yum and it will fix all of those. I don't remember the link, but search for "livna" it basically will tell you how to add another place to look for yum repositories. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... I decided to give Fedora a shot for a bit, though after getting it all up and running I nearly went back to the backup of my Debian Stable install due to Fedora's version of XMMS not including mp3 support. (Due to licensing/patent issues or something.) Alright, deep breath. XMMS.org has RPMs for xmms. Download, install...needs alib-blah, or wast it asound-blah...damn I miss apt. Install apt, check sources.lost, add freshrpms.net. apt-get install alsa-lib. Ah, that's better. rpm -U xmms*.rpm. Hello raidioparadise.com, Fedora can stick around for another week or so. So now that I'm this far, anyone have any other tips or things I should know? This is the first time I installed a RPM based distro without being fustrated enough by it to reinstall Debian the next day. Still getting used to the RedHat way of doing things with Run Levels and using services instead of /etc/init.d/. Well, back to stumbling blindly about my fresh new install... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Mon Feb 2 13:59:12 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> References: <401D62F6.3030109@visi.com> <401DC7CF.3080003@druswanderings.net> <401DD665.6020709@visi.com> <1075699899.2570.49.camel@norhaven.wb0sio.org> <401DF56E.8040800@visi.com> <401E53BC.8090505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040202214323.GA19189@karl> Hi Sam, Boot from a rescue disk, snoop around: mount /dev/hdaX /tmp/mt ls /tmp/mt .... Make notes on what is the root fs partition, fs type: cat /proc/mounts Then try booting off the rescue disk, but with root=/dev/hdaX added as a kernel parameter(your root fs). So basically, you want to boot the rescue CD kernel, but tell the kernel to use your parition(root=/dev/hda4) as the root fs. Karl. On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 07:42:20AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Anyone think this is a problem that can be fixed? > > It finds Grub but can't get Linux to boot. > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >It is I fat fingered the typing of it. > > > >Sam. > > > >Larry Greenwald wrote: > > > >>Try: > >>kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda4 vga=788 > >>Needs to be (hd0,0) not (hda0,0) > >> > >>Larry > >> > >>On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:47, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I mounted boot and edited grub.conf replacing the 3 with the 4 > >>> > >>>endless restarting of the machine. > >>> > >>>The Wandering Dru wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Grub has > >>>>> root (hd0,0) > >>>>> kernel (hda0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda vga=788 > >>>>>BUT, I made a mistake "root=/dev/hda3" should be root=/dev/hda4 > >>>>> > >>>>>I did "e" to edit and changed the "3" to a "4" > >>>>>I did a "b" to boot it does the same thing. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>Make sure you hit "enter" after you edit the line. Otherwise it > >>>>won't take. If all else fails, boot from the install disk again, > >>>>mount the boot partition somewhere and edit the grub.conf file. > >>>> > >>>>Easy fix on this one. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at fedorazine.com Mon Feb 2 14:03:54 2004 From: shanson at fedorazine.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401EA9AD.7060608@fedorazine.com> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > So now that I'm this far, anyone have any other tips or things I should > know? This is the first time I installed a RPM based distro without being > fustrated enough by it to reinstall Debian the next day. > > A couple more sources: www.fedorazine.com www.fedoranews.org http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 2 17:28:54 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075763720.17503.1.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Feb 2 18:09:04 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redirecting output of a command to pipe In-Reply-To: <1075743300.13825.56.camel@unixws1> References: <1075743300.13825.56.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > You want pfmon to send the data to STDOUT instead of a file, and then > pipe it to awk (as John suggested). If it's a "good" program, then by > not specifying a filename it will probably just default to STDOUT. Or > with some commands you can specify "-" as the file to mean stdout. > > So, as John suggested, > > pfmon | awk '{ SOME STUFF }' > output_file > Or, if it's not a friendly program you might be able to use mkfifo to create a named pipe to hand it as a filename, then tail the pipe in a separate process. Or something like that. strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Mon Feb 2 18:28:50 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate Message-ID: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Hello, I got this answer back from vmware when inquiring about the LUG rebate. "Hi Chuck, Yes, you can use the offer in conjunction with the student edition. Your Lug President needs to give us your name for you to get the $100 rebate." Sorry for not knowing, but who is the "president" around here? Thanks, -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Feb 2 20:19:00 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040202201236.3a7c27c1.sfertch@real-time.com> On 02 Feb 2004 18:15:45 -0600 Chuck Hays wrote: > > Sorry for not knowing, but who is the "president" around here? > > Thanks, > Hey Chuck, cool on the rebate in conjunction with student pricing. As to "El Presidente" I'm guess that would be Clay? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Feb 2 20:39:15 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare and "supported" distros Message-ID: <20040202202637.3d921622.sfertch@real-time.com> Out of curiosity, anyone able to get VMWare 4.0 to run successfully on Slackware 9.1? I installed it, and everytime I go to run the virtual machine, I get a crash. "*** VMware Workstation internal monitor error *** VM attempting to execute in undefined memory. There is a problem in this beta version of VMware Workstation. We rely on your feedback to improve the quality of our product. Please submit a support request that describes the problem at our Web page "http://www.vmware.com/info?id=8". Do not forget to attach the log file (/vmware/vmware.log) and the core file (/vmware/vmware-core.gz). We appreciate your feedback, -- the VMware Workstation team." I've gone back and forth with VMWare support, with their final resolution being: Slackware 9.1 is not a supported/recommended Linux distribution at this time. As newer Linux kernels and distributions are released, VMware modifies and tests its products for stability and reliability on those host platforms. We make every effort to add support for new kernels and distributions in a timely manner, but until a kernel or distribution is added to the list below, its use with our products is not supported. Supported Host Operating Systems: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/intro_hostreq_ws.html#1032234 So, I go and take a look and it's all RPM based systems that are supported. I know it'll run on older versions of Slack, but can't find anything about 9.1. On VMWare's support site, the most recent distro for Slack mentioned is 9.0 as a guest OS. I did some Googling, but most everything I've found is for older versions as host or guest OS's. Also, going off of the supported list, it looks like the latest kernel they support is 2.4.19. Has anyone gotten it to run on Fedora, RH9, or EL 3? I'm looking at some different options to run, but it looks like I might be limited to older versions. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Mon Feb 2 20:47:12 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <401F0A1B.5080005@charter.net> Chuck Hays wrote: >Hello, > >I got this answer back from vmware when inquiring about the LUG rebate. > >"Hi Chuck, >Yes, you can use the offer in conjunction with the student edition. > > What is the price of the student edition? Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Mon Feb 2 21:13:43 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <401F0A1B.5080005@charter.net> References: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <401F0A1B.5080005@charter.net> Message-ID: <1075777415.17665.6.camel@chays.dyndns.org> On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 20:40, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Chuck Hays wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I got this answer back from vmware when inquiring about the LUG rebate. > > > >"Hi Chuck, > >Yes, you can use the offer in conjunction with the student edition. > > > > > What is the price of the student edition? > >From what I can tell, its around $140... leading to a price of $40! http://www.pricebustersoftware.com/wor20forlina.html I am not sure if that will work with the rebate, I can't seem to find the pricing on their site. I emailed the contact back to ask for pricing. -Chuck Hays _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Feb 3 07:38:44 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (rick ) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream Message-ID: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about on this list yesterday. Am I now officially a Linux geek? Do you dream of Linux? Rick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Feb 3 08:05:55 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> References: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1075816577.16245.10.camel@unixws1> That was the final test. You are now a geek. Heh, beats the Windows nightmares I have on a regular basis. Instead of 6 CD's it's 60 CD's containing MS Office 2010, to be installed on hundreds of machines. When I die, this will be my purgatory. I honestly had a nightmare a few weeks ago. I was forced to use MS Outlook, and I forwarded a message to a large ISP/NetOp mailing list, but instead of forwarding the message, Outlook forwarded an entire folder, all of my personal correspondence, inter-office e-mail, etc. But instead of everyone making fun of me for the (not safe for public consumption) things in my personal mail, they just made fun of me for using Outlook. And they took away my BOFH union card! It was horrible! I felt unclean until I could get to work the next day and rub my hands on my Sun Blade...and caress it's beautiful Type-6 keyboard. Mmm...what *do* geeks dream about? I've been tempted to check and see if it's actually possible in Office 2000 to forward an entire folder, but I'm too scared of what the answer likely is... On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 07:32, rick wrote: > I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had > my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember > what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly > contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about > on this list yesterday. > > Am I now officially a Linux geek? > Do you dream of Linux? > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 3 08:08:30 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <20040202201236.3a7c27c1.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040202201236.3a7c27c1.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040203135101.GA25965@fandre.com> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > > Sorry for not knowing, but who is the "president" around here? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hey Chuck, cool on the rebate in conjunction with student pricing. > > As to "El Presidente" I'm guess that would be Clay? > Darn, the secret is out. Oh well. I guess I didn't realize that I had to submit the names for the LUG discount, but that's not a problem. Just shoot me an email. Any idea who I send the names to? -- Clay "El PResidente" Fandre _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Feb 3 08:24:39 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <20040203135101.GA25965@fandre.com> References: <1075767350.17666.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040202201236.3a7c27c1.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040203135101.GA25965@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1075817783.16245.23.camel@unixws1> Wow, they didn't even have to resort to torture. I think "El Presidente" should be renamed "Loose Lips the LUG President" Don't tell 'em nothin Clay! "No, not the soft, comfy chair!" -or- "NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!" > I guess I didn't realize that I had to submit the names for the LUG > discount, but that's not a problem. Just shoot me an email. > > Any idea who I send the names to? > > -- Clay "El PResidente" Fandre > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 08:38:42 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> References: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <401FB075.9090802@visi.com> I'm presently having night terrors about Gentoo... but that's just me... do over # 2... bootstrapping sense yesterday at about noon... I dream about the day M$ is just a little company selling DOS and a Basic interpreter... again... I dream about my first UNIX like OS, "Coherent" running on an Athalon 64 with a GIG of RAM... I did have a dream about replacing M$ on all the servers at a local company one night. That was before Linux started getting much press. I was the only one who knew anything about Linux, it was scary being all alone without any help... That's why TCLUG is so good, your not alone. It's time to get the roof rake out of the garage and clear the snow from the roof. Blow the snow from the root off the driveway, blow a path to the back yard shed and clear the deck of snow. If XP was like snow we could have lots of fun blowing it off PC's... BTW Gentoo is only 2 CD's... but the learning curve is about 6 CD's... I am putting on the fire proof suite and standing in lake Minnetonka with a fire extinguisher... Sam. rick wrote: >I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had >my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember >what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly >contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about >on this list yesterday. > >Am I now officially a Linux geek? >Do you dream of Linux? >Rick > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Feb 3 09:13:35 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> References: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <401FB6C7.1000204@cdf123.com> I dream of building my own dual|quad cpu server. Then using that to host my website, rip my dvd collection to divx, and play quake. Since I've been using linux though I haven't had that dream as much. I think it's because I no longer need to go down to the basement in my dream to reboot the server every 2 weeks. Though lately I've been dreaming of getting linux installed on my snow blower, hooking up the wifi and controlling it from the comfort of my server room. Who wants to make this a LUG project? You could hack one of those robot vacumes and mark the edges of the driveway with something (invisible fence or some antenas that emit a weak wifi frequency that it could detect), or just get some web cams with windshield wipers and control it with a remote control app that looks like gnomemeeting, and then set her loose. :) Chris rick wrote: >I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had >my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember >what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly >contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about >on this list yesterday. > >Am I now officially a Linux geek? >Do you dream of Linux? >Rick > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 3 09:35:24 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is there such an animal Message-ID: <009c01c3ea69$f93b8900$020a0a0a@DELL2> I run a large wan for 18 school districts. Each has a few public IP's on their router and Nat 10.x, or 172.x private addresses . I am getting request to allow vpns to each school's local network, which I am not against, but I want full control of what can and cannot be done. A vpn from a single workstation connected to the schools LAN is not a big deal to set up, but I would like to set up a server inside the WAN that users would have to authenticate to, and then send them on to their destination. This would require some sort of vpn to all the schools from this server. Is this something that can be done, or do we need to do a point A to B setup rather than A to B to C? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Feb 3 09:59:19 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:25:04 -0600 (CST) > From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" > I decided to give Fedora a shot for a bit, though after getting it all up > and running I nearly went back to the backup of my Debian Stable install > due to Fedora's version of XMMS not including mp3 support. (Due to > licensing/patent issues or something.) Alright, deep breath. XMMS.org has > RPMs for xmms. Download, install...needs alib-blah, or wast it > asound-blah...damn I miss apt. > > Install apt, check sources.lost, add freshrpms.net. apt-get install > alsa-lib. Ah, that's better. rpm -U xmms*.rpm. Hello raidioparadise.com, > Fedora can stick around for another week or so. >From the spiffy artoo site (http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/#up2date): Q: How do I make XMMS play MP3s? A: Before I talk about this, you should know: In the United States and other countries, you legally must pay patent royalties to use MP3 players or encoders. With that said, the plugins for these things are usually in the rpm.livna.org repository. Set up your yum.conf to be able to access rpm.livna.org. (See the question about getting Fedora software) Open a Terminal. Become root. (su -) Type yum install xmms-mp3. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 3 10:03:53 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate In-Reply-To: <20040203135101.GA25965@fandre.com> Message-ID: <001001c3ea6e$d4c8fdf0$1400a8c0@icarus> We get a $100 dollar rebate just for being LUGgers? Where'd that damn dotted line run off to.. In addition to student discounts? /me chases down dotted line.. "I'm signing you bitch!" -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:51 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate On Mon, 02 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > > Sorry for not knowing, but who is the "president" around here? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hey Chuck, cool on the rebate in conjunction with student pricing. > > As to "El Presidente" I'm guess that would be Clay? > Darn, the secret is out. Oh well. I guess I didn't realize that I had to submit the names for the LUG discount, but that's not a problem. Just shoot me an email. Any idea who I send the names to? -- Clay "El PResidente" Fandre _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 3 10:08:38 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is there such an animal In-Reply-To: <009c01c3ea69$f93b8900$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <000f01c3ea6e$4f289e30$1400a8c0@icarus> Do you want outside access to internal networks via VPN, or do you want district x to be able to see things inside district y via a tunnel? or both? We need to know a bit more about what your trying to do, but it is most certainly possible with IPSec and some routing. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:26 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] is there such an animal I run a large wan for 18 school districts. Each has a few public IP's on their router and Nat 10.x, or 172.x private addresses . I am getting request to allow vpns to each school's local network, which I am not against, but I want full control of what can and cannot be done. A vpn from a single workstation connected to the schools LAN is not a big deal to set up, but I would like to set up a server inside the WAN that users would have to authenticate to, and then send them on to their destination. This would require some sort of vpn to all the schools from this server. Is this something that can be done, or do we need to do a point A to B setup rather than A to B to C? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 3 10:43:14 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <001101c3ea73$2c458cc0$1400a8c0@icarus> Generally your dreams represent things happening in your real-life that are exciting, stressful, overwhelming, dramatic, sad, emotional etc. I have dreams about linux, soccer, snowboarding - but I've also had dreams about Britney in that little school-girl/pigtails outfit from the Ooops video or whatever. (Bad girl, go to my room.) Does that make me a sexaholic? A Geek? A British Soccer Hooligan? Naw. Dreams are interesting phenomena but don't "make" you anything nor are they a qualifier for any social class or group. I would be willing to bet linux has been playing a larger role in your day-to-day social conscious and that is now getting dream-worthy attention by your sub-concious psyche. You might be interested in a movie called "Waking Life" - you should be able to find it at your local vid store or online. (I have the xvid rip.. ;-) Dreams are weird, obviously we've not figured them out but we do know things about the effect they have on us. Ever heard of lucid dreaming? Google my friend, google. Also try keeping a dream log - a pen and notepad on your headrest you can easily reach without to much disturbance shortly after waking up. Studies show the more you move and think after exiting the dream and wake up is in some way proportional to how long and with how much detail you actually remember your dream. You'll be surprised (or scared) at the stuff you forgot you dreamt about if you try and record them. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of rick Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about on this list yesterday. Am I now officially a Linux geek? Do you dream of Linux? Rick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 3 10:57:44 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <1075816577.16245.10.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <001201c3ea74$44d791b0$1400a8c0@icarus> My father is currently managing a 4,300 system Windows XP upgrade project. That will give anyone nightmares. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream That was the final test. You are now a geek. Heh, beats the Windows nightmares I have on a regular basis. Instead of 6 CD's it's 60 CD's containing MS Office 2010, to be installed on hundreds of machines. When I die, this will be my purgatory. I honestly had a nightmare a few weeks ago. I was forced to use MS Outlook, and I forwarded a message to a large ISP/NetOp mailing list, but instead of forwarding the message, Outlook forwarded an entire folder, all of my personal correspondence, inter-office e-mail, etc. But instead of everyone making fun of me for the (not safe for public consumption) things in my personal mail, they just made fun of me for using Outlook. And they took away my BOFH union card! It was horrible! I felt unclean until I could get to work the next day and rub my hands on my Sun Blade...and caress it's beautiful Type-6 keyboard. Mmm...what *do* geeks dream about? I've been tempted to check and see if it's actually possible in Office 2000 to forward an entire folder, but I'm too scared of what the answer likely is... On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 07:32, rick wrote: > I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had > my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember > what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly > contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about > on this list yesterday. > > Am I now officially a Linux geek? > Do you dream of Linux? > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 3 11:04:17 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts Message-ID: Hey everyone, I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip of paper for each student that gives them their password.) Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 3 11:11:29 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is there such an animal Message-ID: <00df01c3ea78$0ad915c0$020a0a0a@DELL2> > Do you want outside access to internal networks via VPN, or do you want > district x to be able to see things inside district y via a tunnel? or > both? We need to know a bit more about what your trying to do, but it is > most certainly possible with IPSec and some routing. The vpns would be from school staff at home > our border firewall > school router> school firewall> school network. My main concern is to be aware of all vpns that access our network and be able to monitor, log, and terminate connections if need be. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Feb 3 11:34:31 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:53:18AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040203113110.A31683@thinkunix.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) > > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. you could use APG (a password generator) to get good random passwords http://www.adel.nursat.kz/apg/ a for loop and useradd(8) and passwd(1) should do it -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 3 11:45:21 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is there such an animal In-Reply-To: <00df01c3ea78$0ad915c0$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <001801c3ea7c$5c10e040$1400a8c0@icarus> I can't say the exact route to configuration, but the cisco VPN client, and the former SSH sentinel client (Which has been purchased by a company in Finland) both offer easy deployment to clients and the ability to create config scripts to auto-setup connections. As far as the router/firewall goes, if you are planning to upgrade the firewall end - Astaro (www.astaro.com) is a nice router/firewall for VPN connections, logging, management etc. (It can also do inline spam/virus filtering, web-content filtering, SMTP proxy etc, and is a firewall at it's core.) If you are not planning this, then a VPN endpoint is needed inside the router, and possibly inside but most likely along-side the firewall. You might even be able to do this at the routing level if your routers can do IPSec. If you don't have a VPN end-point a linux box running freeswan will work nicely - although it may not have a nice web-based front-end, you can't complain about remote management via console. That can be troublesome if, without going into the plethora of reasons why, "users" need access to the admin interface for which a console is not appropriate. Without knowing exactly what you have, that should at least give you a brief idea of what's there. The routing and firewalling is a trivial issue that should be handled easily - you will by far spend more time tweaking the ipsec stuff to work properly and efficiently and provide an administrative interface appropriate to your situation. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] is there such an animal > Do you want outside access to internal networks via VPN, or do you want > district x to be able to see things inside district y via a tunnel? or > both? We need to know a bit more about what your trying to do, but it is > most certainly possible with IPSec and some routing. The vpns would be from school staff at home > our border firewall > school router> school firewall> school network. My main concern is to be aware of all vpns that access our network and be able to monitor, log, and terminate connections if need be. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Tue Feb 3 11:48:43 2004 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040203174651.GN5389@faculty.cns.uni.edu> what type of authentication? Simple pam, ldap, kerb? @ On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:53:18AM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) > > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science http://www.cns.uni.edu/~thompson/ University of Northern Iowa "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug.list at slushpupie.com Tue Feb 3 11:55:44 2004 From: tclug.list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040203173811.GE24946@slushpupie.com> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:53:18AM -0600, Tim Wilson (wilson@visi.com) wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) Unix dosnt like usernames that are all numbers. Some systems dont like usernames that dont start with a lowercase letter.. just be careful when you make your accounts based off student ids.. > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. Check the TCLUG archives on this.. this questions pops up from time to time. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 3 12:06:54 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: <20040203174651.GN5389@faculty.cns.uni.edu> Message-ID: On 2/3/04 11:46 AM, "Aaron Thompson" wrote: > what type of authentication? > > Simple pam, ldap, kerb? Nothing fancy for now, just regular /etc/passwd. We hope LDAP eventually. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 12:12:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <001201c3ea74$44d791b0$1400a8c0@icarus> References: <001201c3ea74$44d791b0$1400a8c0@icarus> Message-ID: <401FE10E.6060708@visi.com> Does he need any help? Sam. Tom Hudak wrote: >My father is currently managing a 4,300 system Windows XP upgrade >project. > >That will give anyone nightmares. > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:56 AM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream > >That was the final test. You are now a geek. > >Heh, beats the Windows nightmares I have on a regular basis. Instead of >6 CD's it's 60 CD's containing MS Office 2010, to be installed on >hundreds of machines. When I die, this will be my purgatory. > >I honestly had a nightmare a few weeks ago. I was forced to use MS >Outlook, and I forwarded a message to a large ISP/NetOp mailing list, >but instead of forwarding the message, Outlook forwarded an entire >folder, all of my personal correspondence, inter-office e-mail, etc. > >But instead of everyone making fun of me for the (not safe for public >consumption) things in my personal mail, they just made fun of me for >using Outlook. And they took away my BOFH union card! > >It was horrible! I felt unclean until I could get to work the next day >and rub my hands on my Sun Blade...and caress it's beautiful Type-6 >keyboard. Mmm...what *do* geeks dream about? > >I've been tempted to check and see if it's actually possible in Office >2000 to forward an entire folder, but I'm too scared of what the answer >likely is... > >On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 07:32, rick wrote: > > >>I've been using Linux for quite a few years now but last night I had >>my first dream about it (no wet comments please). I don't remember >>what was happening but I remember about 6 CDs that supposedly >>contained Gentoo, a distro that I've never even seen but read about >>on this list yesterday. >> >>Am I now officially a Linux geek? >>Do you dream of Linux? >>Rick >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Feb 3 12:34:01 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes yes yes, I've got XMMS happy. Just tossing out my first impressions on that issue. Yum and apt are both working now, both are far superior to up2date, which seemed to take an excessivly long time to complete updates. up2date has an annoying habit of asking about invalid GPG signatures, which I can understand. (And I could have fixed easily I know.) Irked me that up2date would be downloading, then pop up a box asking about a signature, then do nothing until I clicked No or OK. I'm in the habit of firing off an apt-get -dy upgrade and walking away while packages download, I might get around to installing them eventually. At least Fedora's up2date doesn't need a RHN account. So it's up, it's running, it works. Me being the lazy geek I am it'll probally just stay that way until I find something in Fedora that annoys me enought to try another distribution. :) Thanks all for the links, they were very helpful for someone new to Fedora but not new to Linux. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 12:38:08 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Holy Cow Why Now! Message-ID: <401FE7A5.602@visi.com> The bootstrap finished I was doing the "emerge --fetchonly system" but I got "-bash: emerge: command not found" I looked at the lights on the pig tail of my NIC (DARK!!!!) I tried configuring eth0 again using "net-setup eth0" but I get the following message after I put in the Gateway address. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eht0: unknown intervace: No such device Type "ifconfig" to make sure the interface was configured correctly. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ============================================= ifconfig lo Link encap:Local Looopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 ... ifconfig eth0 eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found ============================================= What the heck do I do now? Restart the computer and pickup where I left off? I'm not sure what all needs to be done when I restart the machine. I've made a list of what I think I need to do... Restart and configure the NIC again, then... 1. The file system is in place so I need to # swapon /dev/hda2 # mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot # mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc # mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc 2. I have all the files in place so I need to # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev # chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash # env-update # source /etc/profile 3. Then I can continue on ... # emerge --fetchonly system # emerge system 4.Continue with the install... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Feb 3 12:38:38 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040203123211.581782cd@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:53:18 -0600 Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) > > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. man newusers I like this site for random password generation: http://www.winguides.com/security/password.php Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Feb 3 12:53:30 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Holy Cow Why Now! In-Reply-To: <401FE7A5.602@visi.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's correct, once you've brought the system back up with the commands you listed, just continue where you left off. I don't always mount /dev or /proc in the chroot environment, and I've had it get a bit goofy once or twice, but usually it's fine without it. You could also try rmmod'ing and modprobe'ing the modules for your NIC. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel > MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:26 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Holy Cow Why Now! > > > The bootstrap finished I was doing the "emerge --fetchonly > system" but I got "-bash: emerge: command not found" > > I looked at the lights on the pig tail of my NIC (DARK!!!!) > > I tried configuring eth0 again using "net-setup eth0" but I get the > following > message after I put in the Gateway address. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > SIOCSIFADDR: No such device > eht0: unknown intervace: No such device > Type "ifconfig" to make sure the interface was configured > correctly. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ============================================= > ifconfig > lo Link encap:Local Looopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > ... > ifconfig eth0 > eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found > ============================================= > > What the heck do I do now? > Restart the computer and pickup where I left off? > I'm not sure what all needs to be done when I restart the > machine. I've made a list of what I think I need to do... > > Restart and configure the NIC again, then... > > 1. The file system is in place so I need to > # swapon /dev/hda2 > # mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo > # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot > # mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc > # mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc > > 2. I have all the files in place so I need to > # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev > # chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash > # env-update > # source /etc/profile > > 3. Then I can continue on ... > # emerge --fetchonly system > # emerge system > > 4.Continue with the install... > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQB/pvtRLIBm9yjm3EQKJjACgjxGxYbcDiIKYGgjBRMLtV5krtV0AoIsa ImiM25Laq3D8PQebF99sJ6Va =1OZj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Tue Feb 3 12:53:32 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Fedora... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As another tip, try tab completing redhat-config and take a look at what's there. Fedora uses all the same configuration GUIs that Redhat does, so they share the naming. Many of them are quite handy. They'll probably appeal to your lazy-geekiness, too. I hope you enjoy using Fedora. I'm starting to like it now that it's becoming more stable. I have my mom happily using a Fedora box for all of her internet stuff at home. I also use it from time to time, and it's not at all painful, except for the 15" monitor and 2 button mouse. ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Tue Feb 3 13:24:13 2004 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: References: <20040203174651.GN5389@faculty.cns.uni.edu> Message-ID: <20040203191821.GR5389@faculty.cns.uni.edu> Like others have suggested script it.. personally I like using perl - I find it very flexible, and useful. If you going to eventually go to LDAP why not just start out that way for the one host, then setup more hosts as needed? ... Do it the way you want now and have less to do later. @ On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:53:56AM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > On 2/3/04 11:46 AM, "Aaron Thompson" wrote: > > > what type of authentication? > > > > Simple pam, ldap, kerb? > > Nothing fancy for now, just regular /etc/passwd. We hope LDAP eventually. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science http://www.cns.uni.edu/~thompson/ University of Northern Iowa "If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now." -Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Tue Feb 3 13:48:00 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware LUG rebate Message-ID: <200402031940.i13Je6aA061641@mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net> Word of warning, their website states: > For a limited time, the first 1000 Linux user group members > to support our Linux development efforts by purchasing a copy > of VMware Workstation and then registering for this program > will receive a rebate for $100.00. http://www.vmware.com/lug So act fast. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Tue Feb 3 14:30:16 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My first Linux dream In-Reply-To: <1075816577.16245.10.camel@unixws1> References: <200402030732.AA224592128@mail.eworld3.net> <1075816577.16245.10.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > That was the final test. You are now a geek. > > > Do you dream of Linux? > I think I dreamt about spawning processes and pipes the other night, but it wasn't very clear. Nor was it Linux specific, would that be a POSIX dream? It occured to me that it could make good nightmare material since the lives of most processes seem to be violent and of dubious morality: killing their children, waiting for their children to die, etc. -Steve strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Feb 3 15:48:47 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 > Pro] (rev 15) > 02:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP > (rev 5c) > > trying to run both at: > 1600 x 1200 at 85 Hz > using xfree-4.3.0-r3 (gentoo) > > at a depth of 24 one will be at 106.1 Khz/85 Hz 1600x1200 and the other at > 87.7Khz/70Hz 1600x1200 > at a depth of 16 both are at 106.1Khz/85Hz 1600x1200 (and I don't feel > like I'm going to puke!) > > I don't understand why one monitor will drop down in hsync and > VerticalSync. Maybe my XF86Config file is lacking? Can I force refresh > rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for > figuring this out.. I must be googling with the wrong word. not getting > much info. You're hitting the maximum dotclock of that Rage Pro POS. Throw it in your car for use as an ice scraper and replace it with a better card so you don't have to run in 16bit color. 16bit color makes baby jesus cry. Also, running a Rage Pro at the top of its dotclock like that has got to be blurry as all hell... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Feb 3 15:57:35 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> References: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1075844710.19038.1.camel@bigtime> On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 18:15, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), > > which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) > I have an idea! How about giving away Knoppix or MandrakeMove CDs with > Happy Meals! Mandrake? Isn't there laws against giving poison to children? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 3 16:03:49 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not getting what I am looking for Message-ID: <095b01c3eaa0$6ad3acb0$020a0a0a@DELL2> I am still working on some Bind 9 DNS servers, and not getting the results I am looking for. I am following this doc http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-3.html Cache dns works for workstations, but I am not getting the right answer from localhost. The first example is what I get with dig on my new server. The second example is what I want, and get with dig on a server I set up last year. I am not seeing anything different in how they are set up. Any ideas what to look for? [root@enforcer pz]# dig -x 127.0.0.1 ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> -x 127.0.0.1 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 52177 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. bind.ARIN.NET. 2004020304 1800 900 691200 10800 ;; Query time: 120 msec ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 3 15:32:51 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 104 <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> -x 127.0.0.1 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 53723 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR localhost. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS localhost. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: localhost. 86400 IN A 127.0.0.1 ;; Query time: 5 msec ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 3 16:24:35 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 93 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 3 16:20:02 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives Message-ID: <098701c3eaa2$6ac93a80$020a0a0a@DELL2> I may have missed someone else talking about this, but the archives have not changed since January 19th Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Feb 3 16:23:19 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <1075846369.19038.25.camel@bigtime> On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 20:43, david.blevins@visi.com wrote: > Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other > solutions you like better? > > I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to > dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to > return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker > than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my > system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this > purpose. MythTV is awesome. It works great for me, with a basic (bt878) WinTV GO/Duron 1.1ghz setup. For some reason when I changed from a duron 900mhz and kernel 2.4 to the duron 1.1ghz and kernel 2.6, software MPEG4 encode seems to take no measurable amount of CPU time anymore. It used to eat 40%-50%. It certainly doesn't seem to slow down the system anymore, yet it is recording stuff. Weird. Only thing I wish for is disconnected operation. I wish I could mirror everything onto a secondary backend or something and take it to a friends house. Right now I just moved everything to a dedicated box which I can take with. Which means nothing gets recorded when I'm away. ;P There's third party tools to re-encode to avi's. But I wish I could do it without re-encoding. Apparently you can talk mencoder into re-muxing from MythTV's .nuv format to avi, but I've seen no easy to use front end that does it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 16:26:59 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> References: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <40201DA6.7080206@visi.com> Is the Rage Pro a PCI or AGP card? Sam. Callum Lerwick wrote: >>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 >>Pro] (rev 15) >>02:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP >>(rev 5c) >> >>trying to run both at: >>1600 x 1200 at 85 Hz >>using xfree-4.3.0-r3 (gentoo) >> >>at a depth of 24 one will be at 106.1 Khz/85 Hz 1600x1200 and the other at >>87.7Khz/70Hz 1600x1200 >>at a depth of 16 both are at 106.1Khz/85Hz 1600x1200 (and I don't feel >>like I'm going to puke!) >> >>I don't understand why one monitor will drop down in hsync and >>VerticalSync. Maybe my XF86Config file is lacking? Can I force refresh >>rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for >>figuring this out.. I must be googling with the wrong word. not getting >>much info. >> >> > >You're hitting the maximum dotclock of that Rage Pro POS. Throw it in >your car for use as an ice scraper and replace it with a better card so >you don't have to run in 16bit color. 16bit color makes baby jesus cry. >Also, running a Rage Pro at the top of its dotclock like that has got to >be blurry as all hell... > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Tue Feb 3 16:45:09 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <1075844710.19038.1.camel@bigtime> References: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> <1075844710.19038.1.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200402031630.49015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 03 February 2004 3:45 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 18:15, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > > Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), > > > which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) > > > > I have an idea! How about giving away Knoppix or MandrakeMove CDs with > > Happy Meals! > > Mandrake? Isn't there laws against giving poison to children? What are you trying to say? -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 16:53:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <200402031630.49015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> <1075844710.19038.1.camel@bigtime> <200402031630.49015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <402025A0.7050404@visi.com> I think it's obvious, he's saying Mandrake is poison. Stirring the pot and watching with a fire extinguisher. Sam. Bret Baptist wrote: >On Tuesday 03 February 2004 3:45 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >>On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 18:15, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >> >> >>>> Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), >>>>which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) >>>> >>>> >>>I have an idea! How about giving away Knoppix or MandrakeMove CDs with >>>Happy Meals! >>> >>> >>Mandrake? Isn't there laws against giving poison to children? >> >> > >What are you trying to say? > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 3 17:34:22 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. Message-ID: I think it was a joke. He should have put in a . ;-) >>> smac@visi.com 02/03/04 04:50PM >>> I think it's obvious, he's saying Mandrake is poison. Stirring the pot and watching with a fire extinguisher. Bret Baptist wrote: >On Tuesday 03 February 2004 3:45 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: >>On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 18:15, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >>>> Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), >>>>which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) >>>I have an idea! How about giving away Knoppix or MandrakeMove CDs with >>>Happy Meals! >>Mandrake? Isn't there laws against giving poison to children? >What are you trying to say? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Tue Feb 3 17:42:02 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <402025A0.7050404@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I think it's obvious, he's saying Mandrake is poison. > > Stirring the pot and watching with a fire extinguisher. > > Sam. It is! Mandrake is a type of poisonous plant, otherwise known as Mayapple or Podophyllum peltatum. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Podoppe.htm ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Feb 3 19:48:36 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not getting what I am looking for In-Reply-To: <095b01c3eaa0$6ad3acb0$020a0a0a@DELL2> References: <095b01c3eaa0$6ad3acb0$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040203193341.7b7ffd64.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:55:19 -0600 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > I am still working on some Bind 9 DNS servers, and not getting the > results I am looking for. > > I am following this doc http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-3.html > > Cache dns works for workstations, but I am not getting the right > answer from localhost. The first example is what I get with dig on > my new server. The second example is what I want, and get with dig > on a server I set up last year. I am not seeing anything different > in how they are set up. Any ideas what to look for? > Not sure if I'm interpretting this right, but have you looked at your /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf files? Make sure that your /etc/hosts file not only has the 127.0.0.1 hostname entry, but also the IP address (if it's static) of the system. In your resolv.conf file, make sure that you're specifying the DNS server IP address(es), the 'domain domain.com' and 'search domain.com' lines. In your /etc/nsswitch.conf file, try changing the hosts line to have dns first instead of files. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Feb 3 23:15:13 2004 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402032312.58589.mcolivier@earthlink.net> I probably won't ever put copies of software I bought off of e-bay into my machine. Especially since we're at elevated terror alerts. Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 3 23:43:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo (again) Message-ID: <402084E1.1060907@visi.com> emerge system _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Feb 3 23:56:24 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not getting what I am looking for References: <095b01c3eaa0$6ad3acb0$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <008101c3eae2$e7bf0570$0201a8c0@brinstar> Raymond Norton writes: > I am still working on some Bind 9 DNS servers, and not getting the > results I am looking for. I highly recommend djbdns. It's faster, smaller, easier and more secure. First install daemontools and djbdns: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/install.html Then setup your dnscache for your workstation: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-cache.html Or, if you have multiple computers that should share the same cache, set it up like this: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-cache-x.html dnscache handles localhost internally, giving it an A record of 127.0.0.1. dnscache handles 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa internally, giving it a PTR record of localhost. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Feb 4 02:18:36 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200402032312.58589.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200402032312.58589.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20040204081000.GF15000@techmonkeys.org> God forbid we let untrusted code run on our systems, possibly causing theft of bank account numbers, personal information, or *gasp* attacks on www.microsoft.com or www.sco.com! On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:12:58PM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > I probably won't ever put copies of software I bought off of e-bay into my > machine. Especially since we're at elevated terror alerts. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Feb 4 07:23:48 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200402032312.58589.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200402032312.58589.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Marc Olivier wrote: > I probably won't ever put copies of software I bought off of e-bay into my > machine. Especially since we're at elevated terror alerts. You make friendcomputer proud, you get a promotion! -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 4 09:33:07 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> References: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:40:58 -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA >> TNT2/TNT2 >> Pro] (rev 15) >> 02:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro >> 215GP >> (rev 5c) >> >> trying to run both at: >> 1600 x 1200 at 85 Hz >> using xfree-4.3.0-r3 (gentoo) >> >> at a depth of 24 one will be at 106.1 Khz/85 Hz 1600x1200 and the other >> at >> 87.7Khz/70Hz 1600x1200 >> at a depth of 16 both are at 106.1Khz/85Hz 1600x1200 (and I don't feel >> like I'm going to puke!) >> >> I don't understand why one monitor will drop down in hsync and >> VerticalSync. Maybe my XF86Config file is lacking? Can I force refresh >> rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for >> figuring this out.. I must be googling with the wrong word. not >> getting >> much info. > > You're hitting the maximum dotclock of that Rage Pro POS. Throw it in > your car for use as an ice scraper and replace it with a better card so > you don't have to run in 16bit color. 16bit color makes baby jesus cry. > Also, running a Rage Pro at the top of its dotclock like that has got to > be blurry as all hell... Yeah - I had to run at 16 - but then I found I had a bad memroy module - when the helpdesk guy came by (this is a work computer) he started asking a LOT of questions about this GX150 with two monitors - "what do you use that for"? "Does it have 512 Mb ram?" "What's the HD size?" .... "We sure could use that to give to developers..." My heart hit the floor - this was an extra PC I picked up over the years and had become my work-horse - I use it all the time and Rdesktop to my windows box to get Lookout mail at what not.... as I was thinking of a reply of why I should keep it, he says: "we have some extra Dell Precision 530 workstations with dual Xeons and 1 G ram - would you like one of those instead"? Fsck yeah! I said. the workstation came with a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE dual head deal.. I've got it working well now. Boy, I no longer afraid of the XF86Conifg file .... :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Feb 4 11:50:08 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: OT: Re: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402041138.09008.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 03 February 2004 5:29 pm, Justin Kremer wrote: > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > I think it's obvious, he's saying Mandrake is poison. > > > > Stirring the pot and watching with a fire extinguisher. > > > > Sam. > > It is! Mandrake is a type of poisonous plant, otherwise known as > Mayapple or Podophyllum peltatum. > > http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Podoppe.htm Ahhh humor, went right over my head. Bret. > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 13:28:06 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kickstart question Message-ID: <20040204123323.3d040e5e.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm setting up three servers for work currently, and I'm curious on whether you can use kickstart with LVM. I went thru the configuration of kickstart, but didn't see anything relating to LVM. Is this even possible? I see some websites saying that it's been done (RH9 primarily), but under RH EL 3 (ES version) I'm not seeing that it's possible. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 13:33:37 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kickstart question In-Reply-To: <20040204123323.3d040e5e.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040204123323.3d040e5e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040204123730.420f3945.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:33:23 -0600 Shawn wrote: > I'm setting up three servers for work currently, and I'm curious on > whether you can use kickstart with LVM. I went thru the > configuration of kickstart, but didn't see anything relating to LVM. > Is this even > possible? > > I see some websites saying that it's been done (RH9 primarily), but > under RH EL 3 (ES version) I'm not seeing that it's possible. > I forgot to mention that the only filesystem types that I'm seeing as an option are ext2, ext3, software RAID, swap and vfat. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug.list at slushpupie.com Wed Feb 4 13:53:20 2004 From: tclug.list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best Linux fiber NIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040203132051.GB24946@slushpupie.com> On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:11:22PM -0600, Bruce Broecker (bruce.broecker@toro.com) wrote: > >>> matthew.lange@langeconsulting.com 02/02/04 11:37AM >>> > > Does anybody have a recommendation for a fiber NIC that works well under > > Linux? I've had bad luck with 3Com cards (who hasn't?), so they've been > > rules out... > > I've had good results with current Intel adapters under Linux. I have not, however > used Inte's fiber adapters with Linux. I do know that they use the same drivers, so > that shouldn't be a problem. > I have used the fiber cards under Linux, and they work great if they work with your hardware. We ran into several compatability issues with certain chipsets not working with certain cards. We actully installed Windows just to make sure it wasnt a driver issue.. I belive the newer cards should all work fine with newer hardware (We were using an older card with a dell part number on newer hardware). Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 4 15:50:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical Message-ID: <40216741.10109@visi.com> I HATE GRUB! Twice it has failed to work as it should. The stupid machine finds grub and presents my option to boot "Gentoo Linux 2.4.22" It just reboots over and over this is what is in grub.conf it's what the Gentoo site says to put in the file. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 Anyone want to explain? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Feb 4 16:05:52 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] It's Official Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Sam could you do me one favor please? Try to make your subject lines a bit more descriptive, so people (like myself) will know if it is something they feel the need to read or not before they open the message. There have been a number of posts to the list in the last week alone in which you have topics like: It's Official, Holy Cow Why Now!, NOOOOOO, OMG, etc Now I realize you are not the only one and this is merely a matter of etiquette and not a mortal sin, it would be greatly appreciated if you would show me, if not the rest of the group this courtesy Thank you Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:42 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical I HATE GRUB! Twice it has failed to work as it should. The stupid machine finds grub and presents my option to boot "Gentoo Linux 2.4.22" It just reboots over and over this is what is in grub.conf it's what the Gentoo site says to put in the file. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 Anyone want to explain? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Wed Feb 4 16:11:43 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <40216C47.8090002@askewview.net> Sam here is what my grub.conf looks like default 0 timeout 2 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm/gz #Gentoo LInux Vanilla Sources Kernel Ver 2.4.23 title=Gentoo LInux Vanilla Sources Kernel Ver 2.4.23 root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage2.4.23 root=/dev/sda If I remember correctly when you compile your kernel your fine will actually be called bzImage unless you rename it and it will be tored in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I HATE GRUB! > > Twice it has failed to work as it should. > > The stupid machine finds grub and presents my option to boot > "Gentoo Linux 2.4.22" > It just reboots over and over > > this is what is in grub.conf it's what the Gentoo site says to put in > the file. > > default 0 > timeout 30 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 > root (hd0,0) > kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 > > Anyone want to explain? > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 16:17:35 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040204155951.3baf3d4a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:42:25 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I HATE GRUB! > > Twice it has failed to work as it should. > Sorry, not able to give an explanation myself. I prefer LILO, is that an option for you? I had problems with GRUB a while back, and refuse to use it if I can get away with it. Unfortunately, I don't have that choice anymore for some reasons, so I need to learn it. I'm interested to hear what the resolution is... -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 16:19:15 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > this is what is in grub.conf it's what the Gentoo site says to put in > the file. > > default 0 > timeout 30 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 > root (hd0,0) > kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 > > Anyone want to explain? Are you trying to run this on hardware that Grub doesn't like? It does still have problems with some boxes. Alternatively, I think your kernel syntax is wrong; it's at least different than what I usually see - try: kernel /path/to/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 ro -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Feb 4 16:45:18 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040204223824.GH15000@techmonkeys.org> I would rather have the system reboot than watch it spew LI 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 for all eternity. Make sure the kernel is where you're telling it, the root directory of /dev/hda1 which I would assume is mounted as /boot On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:42:25PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I HATE GRUB! > > kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 > > Anyone want to explain? > > Sam. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Feb 4 16:52:11 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Grub configuration problem (It's Offical) In-Reply-To: (natecars@real-time.com) References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <200402042254.i14Mskg03095@ecstasy.winternet.com> >On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 The kernel is specified as being in the /dev/hda1 partition at the root level. This will work fine if /dev/hda1 is the /boot partition. If the kernel is actually in the / partition and there is no /boot partition, the kernel command should look more like: kernel (hd0,2)/boot/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 You must determine where Gentoo has installed your / partition, optional /boot partition and in which partition and directory it has installed your kernel (usually at the root level of the /boot partition or in the boot directory of the / partition). If there were multiple hard drives, grub may not order the drives the way the BIOS or Linux does, so (hd0,0) could be /dev/hdc1 for example and (hd1,0) could be /dev/hda1. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Feb 4 16:59:57 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:42:25PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > default 0 The first kernel is the default > timeout 30 Wait 30 seconds (or three, I don't know) > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz Display this pixmap for the menu. > title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 Title of the first kernel image, for the menu > root (hd0,0) grub looks for files on the first partition of the first hard drive. i.e. /dev/hda1 > kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 The kernel is /kernel-2.4.22 on /dev/hda1 and the kernel is passed root=/dev/hda3. Are you really naming your kernel /boot/kernel-2.4.22? Usually the name would be /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 4 18:03:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> Message-ID: <40218674.4000800@visi.com> /dev/hda1 /boot/kernel-2.4.22 This is all exactly what it says to do on the Gentoo website. I'm starting to thing Fedora is looking good... Sam. nate@refried.org wrote: >On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:42:25PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>default 0 >> >> > >The first kernel is the default > > > >>timeout 30 >> >> > >Wait 30 seconds (or three, I don't know) > > > >>splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz >> >> > >Display this pixmap for the menu. > > > >>title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 >> >> > >Title of the first kernel image, for the menu > > > >>root (hd0,0) >> >> > >grub looks for files on the first partition of the first hard drive. >i.e. /dev/hda1 > > > >>kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 >> >> > >The kernel is /kernel-2.4.22 on /dev/hda1 and the kernel is passed >root=/dev/hda3. > >Are you really naming your kernel /boot/kernel-2.4.22? Usually the name >would be /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22. > >Nate > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 18:38:07 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40218674.4000800@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040204182500.46b7af84.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:55:32 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I'm starting to thing Fedora is looking good... > Fedora uses GRUB as well... Go back to Slackware =) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Wed Feb 4 18:57:13 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems Message-ID: Hi, In our lab we have 5 IA64 systems (each with 60 GB of hard disk space) running RH 7.1 . We would like to have daily backups of these systems. We would like to know what options we should consider. We have a budget of about $800-$1000. Is there any pitfalls which one should avoid. Any thoughts, comments? Thanks Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Feb 4 20:29:50 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope PAM authentication Message-ID: <1075947667.19083.67.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Feb 4 20:33:06 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40218674.4000800@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:32PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > /dev/hda1 > /boot/kernel-2.4.22 Are you sure that the kernel is not 2.4.23 or 2.4.24? At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your disk. Either that or you can boot Knoppix and see what your kernel is called. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Feb 4 20:48:17 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040204182500.46b7af84.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204182500.46b7af84.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040205024228.GI15000@techmonkeys.org> > Fedora uses GRUB as well... > > Go back to Slackware =) > Fedora installs it correctly and maintains it for you =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Feb 4 20:53:14 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040205024726.GJ15000@techmonkeys.org> 320GB Maxtor, $296 Spare PC running linux around the office, $0 rsync, $0 You can't beat the price/performance/ease of IDE backup solutions, if you're really concerned about it, buy a second drive and mirror it twice. On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:47:31PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > > In our lab we have 5 IA64 systems (each with 60 GB of hard disk space) > running RH 7.1 . We would like to have daily backups of these systems. We > would like to know what options we should consider. We have a budget of > about $800-$1000. Is there any pitfalls which one should avoid. Any > thoughts, comments? > > Thanks > > Sreekumar -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Feb 4 21:23:30 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems In-Reply-To: <20040205024726.GJ15000@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:47:26PM -0600 References: <20040205024726.GJ15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040204211737.A8508@thinkunix.net> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > 320GB Maxtor, $296 > Spare PC running linux around the office, $0 > rsync, $0 > > You can't beat the price/performance/ease of IDE backup solutions, if > you're really concerned about it, buy a second drive and mirror it twice. you forgot to say, "having your backups when you need them, priceless." -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Feb 4 21:28:34 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: Grub.conf issues WAS [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <40216741.10109@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> Message-ID: <4021B6D7.6040702@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Samuel MacDonald wrote: | default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz | title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 | root=/dev/hda3 | | Anyone want to explain? | The "root" lilne should point to your root(/) partition. If you set up your partitions in the default gentoo fashion, you have a seperate /boot partition. Looking at the kernel line, I can see that your root partition should actually be (hd0,2). Try: default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 root (hd0,2) kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 Just for comparison's sake, here's my grub.conf(I dual boot with that other OS): default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux root (hd1,5) kernel (hd1,0)/kernel-2.6.1-gentoo root=/dev/hdb6 vga=791 noapic title=Games root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAIbbWiwhv4FBqkV8RAjEnAJ9lgUs+TDMsHtkXmjkm3dprhT2ulwCfYy7z nKLmXFZJ9stRxtijxSYrt8M= =32tB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Feb 4 21:33:20 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your > disk. I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, step for step, how to do this? Thanks, Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Feb 4 22:02:36 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zope PAM authentication In-Reply-To: <1075947667.19083.67.camel@bigtime> References: <1075947667.19083.67.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200402042154.27622.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 04 February 2004 08:21 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, I've been trying to get a zope/plone site set up, and Plone in > particular seems to have a big lack of advanced documentation, at least > that I can find. > > I want my Plone site to authenticate against the system accounts. Best > thing I can find is an LDAP authenticator, but I'm just using plain old > /etc/passwd/shadow for now. There's some talk of writing PAM > authenticators but I can't track down anything usable. Has anyone done > this before? I haven't tried this (but I might this weekend if I have time :-) but the exUserFolder product has an option for etcAuthSource. You might be able to use that. It would require replacing the aclUsers folder of the plone site with an exUserFolder that uses the etcAuthSource. The readme doesn't mention shadow passwords so you may want to check www.zopelabs.com or do a google search for other suggestions. Also you may want to post this to the local Zope user group (TCZPUG) mailing list for more suggestions. Just remember that Plone authentication is just Zope authentication and you should be able to find some documentation on that process. There are several "alternate" auth products out there. Jack - local roving Zopista -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Feb 4 22:09:24 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> Message-ID: <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 nate@refried.org wrote: | On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: | |> At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your |> disk. | | | I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out | how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, | step for step, how to do this? | Just like you do at the bash prompt, TAB completion. At the boot prompt, hitting the TAB key will give a list of commands you can use. If you put in "root" and then "(hd", it will give a list of possible partitions, choose one, again and it will give you a list of files on that partition. Doing this, it's quite easy to boot a system without even having a conf file. - --Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAIcBKiwhv4FBqkV8RAg/0AJoCt13Pt1U0zVznE2Lrl+pNLr7nvQCghXVL j3rkEYk6XGN4LrLoE8j/92k= =RTuC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 4 22:48:28 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040205024228.GI15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204182500.46b7af84.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040205024228.GI15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040204224024.0c25cb1b.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:42:28 -0600 "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > > Fedora uses GRUB as well... > > > > Go back to Slackware =) > > > > Fedora installs it correctly and maintains it for you =) > Yeah, yeah, yeah... I jut hate RH systems... There's a lot I don't like about them, but unfortunately I don't have much choice, so I have to use it at work. They wouldn't let me put Slack on production boxes... =( -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Feb 4 23:13:26 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! Message-ID: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 4 23:58:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> Message-ID: <4021DA5E.1050609@visi.com> This is the page on the Gentoo site http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1&chap=9 nate@refried.org wrote: >On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > >>At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your >>disk. >> >> > >I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out how >to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, step for >step, how to do this? > >Thanks, > >Nate > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Feb 5 00:01:51 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040205054458.GA21030@fandre.com> Why don't you stay safe and use the eicar test file? http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm $ cat eicar.com | clamscan - stdin: Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- Known viruses: 20624 Scanned directories: 0 Scanned files: 1 Infected files: 1 Data scanned: 0.00 Mb I/O buffer size: 131072 bytes Time: 0.284 sec (0 m 0 s) On Wed, 04 Feb 2004, Wayne Johnson wrote: > OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. > > Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? > > I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:03:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: Grub.conf issues WAS [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021B6D7.6040702@druswanderings.net> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <4021B6D7.6040702@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <4021DB13.3050401@visi.com> Sam result, reboot. The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > | default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > | title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 > | root=/dev/hda3 > | > | Anyone want to explain? > | > > The "root" lilne should point to your root(/) partition. If you set > up your partitions in the default gentoo fashion, you have a seperate > /boot partition. Looking at the kernel line, I can see that your root > partition should actually be (hd0,2). > > Try: > > default 0 > timeout 30 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > title=Gentoo Linux 2.4.22 > root (hd0,2) > kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.4.22 root=/dev/hda3 > > Just for comparison's sake, here's my grub.conf(I dual boot with that > other OS): > > default 0 > timeout 30 > splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title=Gentoo Linux > root (hd1,5) > kernel (hd1,0)/kernel-2.6.1-gentoo root=/dev/hdb6 vga=791 noapic > > title=Games > root (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAIbbWiwhv4FBqkV8RAjEnAJ9lgUs+TDMsHtkXmjkm3dprhT2ulwCfYy7z > nKLmXFZJ9stRxtijxSYrt8M= > =32tB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Feb 5 00:08:01 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <4021DD06.8030805@andersonfam.org> You don't need an "actual" real virus - there is a test virus file out there that you can use... http://www.eicar.org/ All of the major AV companies will detect this file...so there's no need to toss around a real live virus. -Erik Wayne Johnson wrote: > OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. > > Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? > > I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:09:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> grub>root ([tab] Possible disks are: fd0 hd0 this is a laptop compaq armada 7770 The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > nate@refried.org wrote: > > | On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > | > |> At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your > |> disk. > | > | > | I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out > | how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, > | step for step, how to do this? > | > Just like you do at the bash prompt, TAB completion. At the boot > prompt, hitting the TAB key will give a list of commands you can use. > If you put in "root" and then "(hd", it will give a list of > possible partitions, choose one, again and it will give you a > list of files on that partition. Doing this, it's quite easy to boot > a system without even having a conf file. > > - --Andy > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAIcBKiwhv4FBqkV8RAg/0AJoCt13Pt1U0zVznE2Lrl+pNLr7nvQCghXVL > j3rkEYk6XGN4LrLoE8j/92k= > =RTuC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:18:29 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <4021DDEA.2050609@visi.com> I have a copy of Windows 2000 will that do... Wayne Johnson wrote: >OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. > >Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? > >I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:23:32 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <4021DDB6.2030402@visi.com> I've tried all the stuff everyone has suggested. I'm going to attempt to install LILO over Grub. Sam. The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > nate@refried.org wrote: > > | On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > | > |> At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your > |> disk. > | > | > | I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out > | how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, > | step for step, how to do this? > | > Just like you do at the bash prompt, TAB completion. At the boot > prompt, hitting the TAB key will give a list of commands you can use. > If you put in "root" and then "(hd", it will give a list of > possible partitions, choose one, again and it will give you a > list of files on that partition. Doing this, it's quite easy to boot > a system without even having a conf file. > > - --Andy > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAIcBKiwhv4FBqkV8RAg/0AJoCt13Pt1U0zVznE2Lrl+pNLr7nvQCghXVL > j3rkEYk6XGN4LrLoE8j/92k= > =RTuC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Thu Feb 5 00:33:10 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> Message-ID: <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> Sam, Are you compiling the kernel by hand or using genkernel? Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:50:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> Message-ID: <4021E57D.7090707@visi.com> I'm "emerge --usepkg lilo" right now to see if it will work. Sam. Adam wrote: > Sam, > Are you compiling the kernel by hand or using genkernel? > Adam > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 00:53:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> Message-ID: <4021E53E.50300@visi.com> By hand. Adam wrote: > Sam, > Are you compiling the kernel by hand or using genkernel? > Adam > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Thu Feb 5 01:13:09 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021E53E.50300@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DCAB.8030206@visi.com> <4021E227.8060900@askewview.net> <4021E53E.50300@visi.com> Message-ID: <4021EB55.1000504@askewview.net> Sam, If you're compiling your kernel by hand, if i remember correctly it doesnt use kerenl-. Thats for genkernel if i remember When i compiled my open kernels i had to cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot then use kernel (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda Samuel MacDonald wrote: > By hand. > > Adam wrote: > >> Sam, >> Are you compiling the kernel by hand or using genkernel? >> Adam >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Thu Feb 5 05:25:28 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (Sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! Message-ID: From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Wayne Johnson Sent: Wed 2/4/2004 11:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. --- Enjoy: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mjcarter/mydoom/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam wrote: > Sam, > If you're compiling your kernel by hand, if i remember correctly it > doesnt use kerenl-. Thats for genkernel if i remember > When i compiled my open kernels i had to cp > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot > then use kernel (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> By hand. >> >> Adam wrote: >> >>> Sam, >>> Are you compiling the kernel by hand or using genkernel? >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Feb 5 08:06:56 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (rick ) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems Message-ID: <200402050801.AA187302180@mail.eworld3.net> >you forgot to say, "having your backups when you need them, priceless." Or more precisely, "having your recovered files when you need them". _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Feb 5 08:28:14 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <20040205054458.GA21030@fandre.com> References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040205054458.GA21030@fandre.com> Message-ID: <47356.67.107.38.35.1075991220.squirrel@dccmn.com> I considered that, but one of the issues I wanted to check on was how up-to-date the Open Virus Database was. Thanks. Clay Fandre said: > Why don't you stay safe and use the eicar test file? > > http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm > > $ cat eicar.com | clamscan - > stdin: Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND > > ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- > Known viruses: 20624 > Scanned directories: 0 > Scanned files: 1 > Infected files: 1 > Data scanned: 0.00 Mb > I/O buffer size: 131072 bytes > Time: 0.284 sec (0 m 0 s) > > > On Wed, 04 Feb 2004, Wayne Johnson wrote: > >> OK, I just installed clamav and I need to test it. >> >> Anyone got a copy of MyDoom they can zip up and send me? >> >> I don't use outlook on this account so it should be safe. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Feb 5 08:30:43 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems In-Reply-To: <20040205024726.GJ15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <001201c3ebf3$fa39d420$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > 320GB Maxtor, $296 > Spare PC running linux around the office, $0 > rsync, $0 What if you need to back up more than one day's copies? If you want four weekly full backups and four daily incremental backups, you're talking some serious storage for 300GB of data. Specifically, more like 1.5TB. You can use something like BackupPC, which will combine all identical files for all the backups, making that 1.5TB fit in prolly 600GB, but umm, have fun installing BackupPC. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 08:51:26 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo and Starting Over Message-ID: <4022564E.706@visi.com> I'm not going to use Grub this time, I'm going to use Lilo. I'm up to the point where I "nano -w /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf" I've changed CHOST="i486-pc-linux0gnu" to CHOST="i586-pc-linux0gnu" as the instructions tell me to do, this is a Mobile Pentium 233MMX so it's an i586 I've changed CLFLAGS="-03 -mcpu=i686 -funroll-loops -pipe" to CLFLAGS="-03 *-march=i586* -funroll-loops -pipe" as the instructions tell me to do, this is a Pentium Mobile 233MMX so it's an i586 I don't want to move the hard disk to any other machine. From what I see in the CLFLAGS the order of the flags is wrong either on the website or in the file The website says -03 should be the second flag The file has -03 as the first flag Not knowing if it matters what order the flags are in (it shouldn't matter) I have been leaving them alone. I add the following because I want the code to come from the closest site "Seren". RSYNC_RETRIES="3" GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo/" SYNC="rsync://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo-portage" This site is really fast for the downloads and has not choked on anything. save & exit I'm ready to "chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash" "env-update" "source /etc/profile" as instructed. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 5 08:54:39 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: Grub problems - was Re: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: <4021DDB6.2030402@visi.com> References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DDB6.2030402@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:07:50 -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I've tried all the stuff everyone has suggested. > I'm going to attempt to install LILO over Grub. > > Sam. did you use genkernel to compile your kernel? if so what version? if it was genkernel 3.xxx you have to use root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/hda3 search the gentoo forums (install section) for genkernel problems.... or check out the grub error collection on the forums: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656 johnnyf > > The Wandering Dru wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> nate@refried.org wrote: >> >> | On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: >> | >> |> At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your >> |> disk. >> | >> | >> | I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out >> | how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, >> | step for step, how to do this? >> | >> Just like you do at the bash prompt, TAB completion. At the boot >> prompt, hitting the TAB key will give a list of commands you can use. >> If you put in "root" and then "(hd", it will give a list of >> possible partitions, choose one, again and it will give you a >> list of files on that partition. Doing this, it's quite easy to boot >> a system without even having a conf file. >> >> - --Andy >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFAIcBKiwhv4FBqkV8RAg/0AJoCt13Pt1U0zVznE2Lrl+pNLr7nvQCghXVL >> j3rkEYk6XGN4LrLoE8j/92k= >> =RTuC >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 08:56:47 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <47356.67.107.38.35.1075991220.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040205054458.GA21030@fandre.com> <47356.67.107.38.35.1075991220.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I considered that, but one of the issues I wanted to check on was how > up-to-date the Open Virus Database was. I don't have a copy of the worm sitting, but I can tell'ya that ClamAV started catching MyDoom at the same time as UVScan did (same cron.daily update).. 'cept Clam calls it Worm.SCO.A. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 09:39:06 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: Grub problems - was Re: [TCLUG] It's Offical In-Reply-To: References: <40216741.10109@visi.com> <20040204225020.GA7180@refried.org> <40218674.4000800@visi.com> <20040204202051.A3446@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20040205032143.GA10281@refried.org> <4021C04A.8090905@druswanderings.net> <4021DDB6.2030402@visi.com> Message-ID: <40226005.2050900@visi.com> Manually install not genkernel. I guess my question would be why are the instruction on the Gentoo site incorrect if Grub 3.xxx has issues. In any case I'm starting over again and will use Lilo not Grub. Grub has not worked properly and I can only take so much... Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:07:50 -0600, Samuel MacDonald > wrote: > >> I've tried all the stuff everyone has suggested. >> I'm going to attempt to install LILO over Grub. >> >> Sam. > > > > did you use genkernel to compile your kernel? if so what version? if > it was genkernel 3.xxx you have to use root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/hda3 > > search the gentoo forums (install section) for genkernel problems.... > or check out the grub error collection on the forums: > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656 > > > johnnyf > > > > > > > > > >> >> The Wandering Dru wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> nate@refried.org wrote: >>> >>> | On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:20:51PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: >>> | >>> |> At the grub prompt you can find out the name of the files on your >>> |> disk. >>> | >>> | >>> | I remember doing this several years back but I can never figure out >>> | how to do it when I need to. Could you please explain to the list, >>> | step for step, how to do this? >>> | >>> Just like you do at the bash prompt, TAB completion. At the boot >>> prompt, hitting the TAB key will give a list of commands you can use. >>> If you put in "root" and then "(hd", it will give a list of >>> possible partitions, choose one, again and it will give you a >>> list of files on that partition. Doing this, it's quite easy to boot >>> a system without even having a conf file. >>> >>> - --Andy >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>> >>> iD8DBQFAIcBKiwhv4FBqkV8RAg/0AJoCt13Pt1U0zVznE2Lrl+pNLr7nvQCghXVL >>> j3rkEYk6XGN4LrLoE8j/92k= >>> =RTuC >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Feb 5 09:44:33 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a virus!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: References: <1488.192.1.1.23.1075957202.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040205054458.GA21030@fandre.com> <47356.67.107.38.35.1075991220.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1075994765.4022608ddd180@mail.bitstream.net> I have about a hundred copies sitting in Postini. I can forward one if you wish but I'm not sure if it won't get mangled by Horde in the forwarding. Brady > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > I considered that, but one of the issues I wanted to check on was how > > up-to-date the Open Virus Database was. > > I don't have a copy of the worm sitting, but I can tell'ya that ClamAV > started catching MyDoom at the same time as UVScan did (same cron.daily > update).. 'cept Clam calls it Worm.SCO.A. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Feb 5 09:46:44 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.6.2 fails to boot Message-ID: <402261E4.3040300@cdf123.com> Any kernel hackers out there? I've been playing around with the latest 2.6 kernels and I really enjoy using them. I've been running 2.6.1 for a while now and my only problem is on my laptop I have to have the power cord unplugged for the ACPI battery and thermal modules to load properly, and when accessing the disk, the whole machine tends to slow down for a second. Overall, I'm very happy with it. I downloaded the 2.6.2 sources, did a make oldconfig and took the defaults (there was only one yes for CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC, the rest didn't seem to apply to me). Everything compiles nicely, but when I choose "262" on the laptop it reboots right away. I took off the ACPI support and now it hangs on boot. The same thing is happening with my server, it just hangs. I tried recompiling with all the debug options and frame pointers, with no luck. I took off the "generic ide" option that came up in the make oldconfig, no change. It doesn't get far enough to mount anything so it can't write any logs, and nothing shows up on the display, so how do I tell what is going wrong? I can email my config info off list if you need it. Thanks Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 10:09:00 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.6.2 fails to boot In-Reply-To: <402261E4.3040300@cdf123.com> References: <402261E4.3040300@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > I downloaded the 2.6.2 sources, did a make oldconfig and took the > defaults (there was only one yes for CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC, the rest didn't > seem to apply to me). The defaults, as in you didn't even plug in your config file first? That'll probably end up with a kernel that won't work on your box. :) > Everything compiles nicely, but when I choose "262" on the laptop it > reboots right away. What CPU type are you selecting? I generally see that behaviour when you are selecting a CPU type that has optimizations that your current CPU doesn't support. (IE, a 686 kernel on a 486 or Pentium Classic). I'd highly recommend just starting from 'make config' or 'make menuconfig', and go through every option and make sure it's set right. I know it takes awhile, but that way you'll (hopefully) get a working kernel the first time. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Feb 5 10:15:44 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Knowledge Base Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3688@owa.compellent.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Feb 5 10:34:00 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Knowledge Base Message-ID: "PostIt" notes piled up on your desk? Or did you want one that works? ;-) >>> Ben.Neigebauer@compellent.com 02/05/04 10:03AM >>> Anyone have any recommendations for a simple knowledge base system? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Feb 5 10:37:27 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Knowledge Base In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3688@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3688@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040205102330.344943aa@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:03:33 -0600 "Ben Neigebauer" wrote: > Anyone have any recommendations for a simple knowledge base system? A while back I was playing with this: http://helpdesk.oneorzero.com/ It has a knowledge base feature. PhP/MySQL based and Open Source, integrates with XMBForum as well. http://www.xmbforum.com/ Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Feb 5 10:53:08 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.6.2 fails to boot In-Reply-To: References: <402261E4.3040300@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <402271FF.8080504@cdf123.com> Nate Carlson wrote: >On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > > >>I downloaded the 2.6.2 sources, did a make oldconfig and took the >>defaults (there was only one yes for CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC, the rest didn't >>seem to apply to me). >> >> > >The defaults, as in you didn't even plug in your config file first? > > No I made sure to do that part :) >What CPU type are you selecting? I generally see that behaviour when you >are selecting a CPU type that has optimizations that your current CPU >doesn't support. (IE, a 686 kernel on a 486 or Pentium Classic). > >I'd highly recommend just starting from 'make config' or 'make >menuconfig', and go through every option and make sure it's set right. I >know it takes awhile, but that way you'll (hopefully) get a working kernel >the first time. :) > > > The cpu is AMD K7 Athlon 800Mhz (the old Slot A type). And the processor familly is set to "Athlon/Duron/K7", and I don't have the "Generic x86 support" set. This worked fine with 2.6.1. I'll try it with "586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX" and see if that works, and enable the generic x86 option. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll start from scratch. . Here's what changed with the make oldconfig on the server (blank lines removed). diff linux-2.6.1/.config linux-2.6.2/.config 248a249 > CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y 317a319,322 > CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX_CONFIG=y > # CONFIG_SCSI_QLA21XX is not set > # CONFIG_SCSI_QLA22XX is not set > # CONFIG_SCSI_QLA23XX is not set 542a548 > # CONFIG_FORCEDETH is not set 728,745d733 < # I2C support < # CONFIG_I2C is not set < # I2C Algorithms < # I2C Hardware Bus support < # I2C Hardware Sensors Chip support < # CONFIG_I2C_SENSOR is not set 794a783,787 > # I2C support > # CONFIG_I2C is not set 835d827 < # CONFIG_VIDEO_BTCX is not set 853a846 > # CONFIG_FB_KYRO is not set 1063a1057,1058 > # CONFIG_USB_EMI62 is not set > # CONFIG_USB_EMI26 is not set 1069a1065 > # CONFIG_USB_LED is not set 1070a1067,1070 > # USB Gadget Support 1223,1227d1222 < # NeTraverse Win4Lin Support < CONFIG_MKI=y _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Thu Feb 5 12:02:51 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do I make bios see cd-rom drive? Message-ID: <200402051741.i15HfrCQ014656@qix.software.umn.edu> Ok, when I was screwing around with switching my drives around, after I was done and booted up, I got a message about my cd-rom drive even though I never touched it. It asked something about if it should detect it, I said no since things were working fine with it before. Now my computer can't read my cd-rom drive. I went into bios but there wasn't any options to make it detect a device. any ideas what I should do to make my computer see it? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 5 12:09:40 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do I make bios see cd-rom drive? In-Reply-To: <200402051741.i15HfrCQ014656@qix.software.umn.edu> References: <200402051741.i15HfrCQ014656@qix.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040205120411.A15268@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 11:41:53AM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > > Ok, when I was screwing around with switching my drives around, after I was > done and booted up, I got a message about my cd-rom drive even though I > never touched it. It asked something about if it should detect it, I said > no since things were working fine with it before. Now my computer can't > read my cd-rom drive. I went into bios but there wasn't any options to > make it detect a device. any ideas what I should do to make my computer > see it? Are you sure that you didn't accidently dislodge one of the cdrom cables? Also, do you have the jumpers set correctly on the any harddrive that shares an IDE cable with CDROM? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Thu Feb 5 12:19:10 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems In-Reply-To: <001201c3ebf3$fa39d420$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001201c3ebf3$fa39d420$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <4022876D.5070008@igi.com> Yea I suggest BackupPC. My install was very very easy compared to Matts luck. My server was debian and I think I had all the modules it needed anyway. So I didnt find it too difficult. I would be willing to anyone set it up if needed. Matt Murphy wrote: >>320GB Maxtor, $296 >>Spare PC running linux around the office, $0 >>rsync, $0 >> >> > > What if you need to back up more than one day's copies? If you >want four weekly full backups and four daily incremental backups, you're >talking some serious storage for 300GB of data. Specifically, more like >1.5TB. You can use something like BackupPC, which will combine all >identical files for all the backups, making that 1.5TB fit in prolly >600GB, but umm, have fun installing BackupPC. > >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 12:48:19 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.6.2 fails to boot In-Reply-To: <402271FF.8080504@cdf123.com> References: <402261E4.3040300@cdf123.com> <402271FF.8080504@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > The cpu is AMD K7 Athlon 800Mhz (the old Slot A type). And the > processor familly is set to "Athlon/Duron/K7", and I don't have the > "Generic x86 support" set. This worked fine with 2.6.1. I'll try it > with "586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX" and see if that works, and enable the > generic x86 option. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll start from > scratch. Yeah, I'd give that a shot - odd that it didn't just work though; I just went from 2.6.1 to 2.6.2 on my K8 without any problems. (Still building a 32-bit kernel for K7, so it's a similar case.) > Here's what changed with the make oldconfig on the server (blank lines > removed). Hrm, odd. Wouldn't think any of that would hurt anything. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pclinux at charter.net Thu Feb 5 14:13:20 2004 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: how do I make bios see cd-rom drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040205135542.01cf2180@pop.charter.net> At 12:00 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote: >Ok, when I was screwing around with switching my drives around, Master/Slave jumpers correct? > after I was >done and booted up, I got a message about my cd-rom drive even though I >never touched it. It asked something about if it should detect it, I said >no since things were working fine with it before. Now my computer can't >read my cd-rom drive. I went into bios but there wasn't any options to >make it detect a device. "Auto" works fine. Hit "pause" when the detailed BIOS boot screen comes by & you should see all your drives listed. Enable the detailed screen in the BIOS if you just get a splash screen. . > any ideas what I should do to make my computer >see it? What OS? bla, bla.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Feb 5 15:21:26 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] February TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Sorry folks, I was unable to find a real speaker for this month's meeting. But we will be having a meeting just as an excuse for getting out of the house. Feel free to bring topics to discuss or things to share. I probably don't be able to make it, but Ben said he could get things going. Next month we should have a solid topic. -- Clay When: February 7th, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: Ben will be leading an open discussion Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Feb 5 15:24:34 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] February TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Sorry folks, I was unable to find a real speaker for this month's meeting. But we will be having a meeting just as an excuse for getting out of the house. Feel free to bring topics to discuss or things to share. I probably don't be able to make it, but Ben said he could get things going. Next month we should have a solid topic. -- Clay When: February 7th, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: Ben will be leading an open discussion Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Thu Feb 5 15:43:02 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 Any suggestions? TIA, Christopher _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Feb 5 15:48:24 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] February TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> References: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Message-ID: <4022B86C.804@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Clay Fandre wrote: | Sorry folks, I was unable to find a real speaker for this month's | meeting. But we will be having a meeting just as an excuse for getting | out of the house. Feel free to bring topics to discuss or things to | share. How 'bout some keysigning thrown in the mix. I just jumped into the GPG pool and need to expand my web of trust. ;-) - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAIrhsiwhv4FBqkV8RAiXpAJ0TUjk6jDu+wYHm4yXeOIVvRc08+wCfYjth pxTQdTHGQSG5KaD48qvr9gE= =Zx3S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 5 15:58:07 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076017988.21579.32.camel@unixws1> I bought one of them there FastTrak cards a couple of years ago. It has Linux support, but it was pretty poor when I started mucking with it. I eventually gave up and it's been sitting in a closet ever since. I never bothered to try to get it working again. IIRC, it's the FastTrak 66 Ultra ATA/66 card. I would be willing to part with it cheaply if you're interested in picking it up someday. I have no idea how well they work, or if the Linux support is still there (sounds like it is...) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Christopher > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Thu Feb 5 16:08:20 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: <1076017988.21579.32.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: I really appreciate the offer, but this is for work. I just priced out and got a couple of SCSI RAID servers and thought I'd see if I could duplicate some of that redundancy for less... So anyhow, I'll need something I know will be pretty good. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux I bought one of them there FastTrak cards a couple of years ago. It has Linux support, but it was pretty poor when I started mucking with it. I eventually gave up and it's been sitting in a closet ever since. I never bothered to try to get it working again. IIRC, it's the FastTrak 66 Ultra ATA/66 card. I would be willing to part with it cheaply if you're interested in picking it up someday. I have no idea how well they work, or if the Linux support is still there (sounds like it is...) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Christopher > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Feb 5 16:23:07 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 3ware IDE raid card. I've got a couple of 4 port cards and an 8 port card. All work very well and were recognized by Redhat linux 8 and 9. I haven't tried Fedora yet. http://www.3ware.com/ Jeff On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Christopher > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 5 16:31:32 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076019777.21579.38.camel@unixws1> In that case, check out "Dynamic Network Factory" They have pre-built RAIDs that use IDE disks, but appear as a SCSI device to the host. We've used them in the past (under BSD/OS no less), and have had pretty good experiences with them. I haven't bought one in awhile, so I don't know how their pricing and performance is nowadays. On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 16:05, Christopher Smith wrote: > I really appreciate the offer, but this is for work. I just priced out and > got a couple of SCSI RAID servers and thought I'd see if I could duplicate > some of that redundancy for less... So anyhow, I'll need something I know > will be pretty good. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:53 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux > > I bought one of them there FastTrak cards a couple of years ago. It has > Linux support, but it was pretty poor when I started mucking with it. I > eventually gave up and it's been sitting in a closet ever since. I never > bothered to try to get it working again. > > IIRC, it's the FastTrak 66 Ultra ATA/66 card. I would be willing to part > with it cheaply if you're interested in picking it up someday. I have no > idea how well they work, or if the Linux support is still there (sounds like > it is...) > > On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > TIA, > > Christopher > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Thu Feb 5 16:36:10 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those look perfect. I'm getting one from cdw now. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of jeffr@odeon.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:16 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux 3ware IDE raid card. I've got a couple of 4 port cards and an 8 port card. All work very well and were recognized by Redhat linux 8 and 9. I haven't tried Fedora yet. http://www.3ware.com/ Jeff On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Christopher > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Feb 5 16:37:17 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD368E@owa.compellent.com> I have posted this before, I believe this is supported by linux. http://www.softwareandstuff.com/CRD10119.html -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:06 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux I really appreciate the offer, but this is for work. I just priced out and got a couple of SCSI RAID servers and thought I'd see if I could duplicate some of that redundancy for less... So anyhow, I'll need something I know will be pretty good. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux I bought one of them there FastTrak cards a couple of years ago. It has Linux support, but it was pretty poor when I started mucking with it. I eventually gave up and it's been sitting in a closet ever since. I never bothered to try to get it working again. IIRC, it's the FastTrak 66 Ultra ATA/66 card. I would be willing to part with it cheaply if you're interested in picking it up someday. I have no idea how well they work, or if the Linux support is still there (sounds like it is...) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Christopher > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Feb 5 17:32:07 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds Message-ID: Hi *, I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Feb 5 17:52:57 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head Message-ID: Is anybody here running dual head NVidia under Linux? I'm contemplating switching my windows dual head around with my linux single-head ;) -dd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 5 17:59:59 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> What's the monthly charge? Sam. Tim Wilson wrote: >Hi *, > >I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my >bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back >in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an >"apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 18:14:52 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4022DB6D.5060102@comcast.net> Doesn't work for everyone. I got the same email and have NOT seen any improvement. Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi *, > > I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my > bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back > in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an > "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! > > -Tim > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Feb 5 18:33:37 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] February TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:56:28PM -0600 References: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040205182212.C19801@thinkunix.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > Sorry folks, I was unable to find a real speaker for this month's > meeting. But we will be having a meeting just as an excuse for getting > out of the house. Feel free to bring topics to discuss or things to > share. I probably don't be able to make it, but Ben said he could get > things going. Next month we should have a solid topic. > > -- Clay > > When: > February 7th, 2004, noon-2pm > > Topic: > Ben will be leading an open discussion > > Where: > University of Minnesota > Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building > Room EE-CS 3-180 > Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html This Sat, Feb 7 marks exactly 6 years since our first TCLUG meeting. http://lwn.net/1998/0212/a/lugmsp.html Wish I would have thought of it sooner. Would have been cool to have a history of the group over time. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 5 18:48:13 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds References: <4022DB6D.5060102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4022E1DE.5040007@structural-wood.com> I did, and wow!!! Todd Young wrote: > Doesn't work for everyone. > I got the same email and have NOT seen any improvement. > > Tim Wilson wrote: > >> Hi *, >> >> I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had >> increased my >> bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug >> it back >> in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an >> "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! >> >> -Tim >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Feb 5 19:32:57 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> Message-ID: On 2/5/04 5:54 PM, "Samuel MacDonald" wrote: > What's the monthly charge? It's somewhere in the $40-50 range. I can't recall exactly. You get a discount if you're a Comcast cable TV customer. In fact, you get the discount no matter what type of cable TV service you have. I get $8.95/mo basic analog cable and I get the $15/mo discount on my Internet service. Hmmm... Spend $9 and save $15. That's a no-brainer ladies and gentlemen. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 19:42:54 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > Is anybody here running dual head NVidia under Linux? > > I'm contemplating switching my windows dual head around with my linux > single-head ;) Sure, works fine. Have to use their binary drivers, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 19:43:11 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Tim Wilson wrote: > I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had > increased my bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute > and plug it back in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady > 394kB/s on an "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! Cool! They are finally learning from Roadrunner. :) What is your upstream capped at now? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 5 19:45:59 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Christopher Smith wrote: > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 Highly recommend the 3ware cards. 3dm is pretty darn nice. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Feb 5 19:52:51 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > Is anybody here running dual head NVidia under Linux? yep, been doing so at the office for about a month now, no problems. in some ways it works better in that you have OpenGL application on both monitors indiviually or both at once. in other ways it is rather annoying, you have to use the stupid binary drivers, one of the... shall we say: performance testing applications; would not render right in full screen mode, rather than center in the middle of the two monitors it would center at the right or the rightmost monitor, i am still unsure where the left half went off to. Others, like those freaky people who think they can write better mode lines than those supplied by the monitor will have problems. iirc it also has problems with different resolution screens, but i am not certain as i have not played too much with this. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Feb 5 21:03:10 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipsec vpn problem with XP Message-ID: <004d01c3ec5b$398ce560$0a00a8c0@DELL2> I have a few vpn connections between IPCop boxes that work well. I am trying to set up an XP laptop with a road warrior vpn so I can access my office LAN via my IPCop box from any ISP connection. It appears I just about have it, but I am getting the following errors. From looking over different posts on the Internet it seems it might be the des key that my XP laptop is using. Not sure how to correct it if it is, or if it is something else. Any ideas? All errors and configs are below: I get this error while tailing /var/log/secure Can't authenticate: no preshared key found for `Public IP of IPCOP' and `%any'. Attribute OAKLEY_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD Feb 5 16:32:44 ipcop pluto[5086]: "roadwarrior"[2] Public IP Of remote ISP #2: OAKLEY_DES_CBC is not supported. Attribute OAKLEY_ENCRYPTION_ALGORITHM 0.0.0.0 : PSK "12345" %any : PSK "12345" conn roadwarrior compress=no left="Public IP of IPCop" leftsubnet=192.168.0.0/24 leftnexthop=%defaultroute type=tunnel authby=secret pfs=yes right=%any rightsubnet=10.10.10.0/24 rightnexthop=%defaultroute auto=add conn KDI left="Public IP of IPCop" leftsubnet=192.168.0.0/24 right=%any presharedkey=12345 network=auto auto=start pfs=yes _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Feb 5 21:06:58 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Admin 101 question In-Reply-To: (Tim Wilson's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:36:05 -0600") References: Message-ID: Tim Wilson writes: > Interesingly, there is a zero-length file in /var/backups/postgres created > by the backup script: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root postgres 0 Jan 27 15:16 mtdb.out > > Any other suggestions? umask. Looks like the file it created, it couldn't write to (note that it needs to write through group permissions). -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Feb 5 21:07:59 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: <200401260524.40473.barnabas@knicknack.net> (Eric Stanley's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:24:40 -0600") References: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> <200401260524.40473.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Eric Stanley writes: > I really like the Sender Permitted From mechanism > (http://spf.pobox.com). It allows you to designate which hosts are > permitted to send mail from domains which you control. You can also > check incoming mail to see if the sending domain has specified SPF > and, if so, if the mail is coming from an authorized host. > > It's not widely adopted yet, but if and when it is, it could put a > big dent in spam, since most of it has forged addresses. I'm > encouraging everyone I know to implement it. I see it as being particularly valuable for eliminating the easy sender forging that makes various scams work. Often ebay, paypal, and bank-related. And of course for the amusing message it gives when it detects an improperly forged yahoo or aol HELO line! -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Feb 5 22:33:28 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/5/04 7:38 PM, "natecars@real-time.com" wrote: > What is your upstream capped at now? I believe it's 4Mbps down and 384kbps up. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Feb 5 23:21:02 2004 From: david.blevins at visi.com (david.blevins@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20040203004657.GA6568@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:43:36PM -0600, david.blevins@visi.com wrote: > Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other > solutions you like better? > > I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to > dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to > return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker > than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my > system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this > purpose. Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread. Just to give a follow-up, I did get MythTV successfully setup! It was actually very easy once I figured out what not to do ;) The first time through, I was working with a RH 9 system that had been upgraded via apt-get. This was a problem as gtk+ and another package (i can't remember which) had been upgraded to versions that were incompatible with what was needed to 'apt-get install mythtv-suite'. I made the mistake of trying to rollback to earlier version, which just hosed my system up completely. Second time through, i started with a vanilla RH 9 system -- no upgrades -- and was able to apt-get mythtv and compile the ivtv driver in no time at all. It's cap'ed a few shows already today. In the post install phase, I recommend hacking uninteresting channels out of your *.xmltv file as it does take a very long time to download all that data, and it makes the gui *much* easier to use as you don't have to sift through shows and channels you don't care about. I ended up using these instructions more or less to the letter: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=rh9pvr250 ...with the exception of the first part of the WinTV PVR-250 section as there were no ivtv-kmdl redhat packages for kernel 2.4.20-8. I compiled the ivtv driver instead using "Option 1" from these instructions: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q11 I tried "option 2" listed in those directions, didn't work for me. Hope this helps others who are tempted to install mythtv. As I suspected, MythTV *is* slicker than snot. I've tried out windows alternatives like BeyondTV and found it to be extremely similar to MythTV. Makes me wonder if there isn't some GPL violation going on. -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Feb 6 01:11:49 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux References: Message-ID: <007e01c3ec7e$e16f5470$0201a8c0@brinstar> natecars@real-time.com writes: >> I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run >> w/ either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > > Highly recommend the 3ware cards. 3dm is pretty darn nice. Same here. They make the only IDE RAID cards worth buying. These people have good prices on 3ware products and good support: http://www.hypermicro.com/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 02:32:55 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <4022DB6D.5060102@comcast.net> References: <4022DB6D.5060102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040206082308.GL15000@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 06:10:21PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > Doesn't work for everyone. > I got the same email and have NOT seen any improvement. You're on the same node I am, reboot your cable modem. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 02:38:49 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 10:25:07PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > On 2/5/04 7:38 PM, "natecars@real-time.com" wrote: > > > What is your upstream capped at now? > > I believe it's 4Mbps down and 384kbps up. > > -Tim It's 3mbit down, 300kbit up, both roadrunner and comcast simutaneously announced they were doing this middle of last year, Minnesota just happened to be at the very end of the list of states to be upgraded. It was in response to lower rates for DSL. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 6 06:01:22 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > It's 3mbit down, 300kbit up, both roadrunner and comcast simutaneously announced > they were doing this middle of last year, Minnesota just happened to be at > the very end of the list of states to be upgraded. > > It was in response to lower rates for DSL. any word on their redefinition of unlimited? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Feb 6 06:33:23 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: Measuring bandwidth was Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:18:47 -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi *, > > I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had > increased my > bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it > back > in. popular methods of measuring bandwidth? some better than others? > Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an > "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! > > -Tim > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 07:52:44 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: Measuring bandwidth was Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040206134039.GO15000@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:23:09AM -0600, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > popular methods of measuring bandwidth? some better than others? netperf is decent, if you're enough of a guru you can calculate the exact size of each packet (including TCP/IP overhead) and go from there. Of course, I just downloaded the config for my modem and looked to see what they had set it to. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 07:57:46 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 05:50:04AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > any word on their redefinition of unlimited? If you run [insert p2p app here] 24/7, you'll get a notice. If you do nothing but download DVD images 24/7, you'll get a notice. Personally, from the people I've seen crying about it on the various forums, the ones that are getting notices should be shut off anyway. Just because it's called unlimited doesn't mean you can abuse it. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 08:50:02 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds References: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> Message-ID: <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> Yea Tim, Comcast has been talking about upping their speeds for months now, my usual www.bandwithspeedtest.com test before was 1.3mbit, now its at 2.9mbit. WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel MacDonald" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > What's the monthly charge? > > Sam. > > > Tim Wilson wrote: > > >Hi *, > > > >I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my > >bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back > >in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an > >"apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! > > > >-Tim > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Feb 6 08:57:42 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head Message-ID: Awesome. Well I also am thinking I'll keep W2K on the one machine and just get another dual head card for the linux box. There's a few dual head Matrox cards that aren't being used to their fullest ;) >>> nassarmu@redconcepts.net 02/05/04 07:47PM >>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > Is anybody here running dual head NVidia under Linux? yep, been doing so at the office for about a month now, no problems. in some ways it works better in that you have OpenGL application on both monitors indiviually or both at once. in other ways it is rather annoying, you have to use the stupid binary drivers, one of the... shall we say: performance testing applications; would not render right in full screen mode, rather than center in the middle of the two monitors it would center at the right or the rightmost monitor, i am still unsure where the left half went off to. Others, like those freaky people who think they can write better mode lines than those supplied by the monitor will have problems. iirc it also has problems with different resolution screens, but i am not certain as i have not played too much with this. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 6 09:17:36 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Personally, from the people I've seen crying about it on the various forums, > the ones that are getting notices should be shut off anyway. yes i agree, people who do not pass the "you must be this smart to use the internet" test should be cut off > Just because it's called unlimited doesn't mean you can abuse it. i was under the impression that unlimited meant without limits. i guess i was mistaken. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Fri Feb 6 09:30:46 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: <007e01c3ec7e$e16f5470$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <007e01c3ec7e$e16f5470$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <4023B15A.60105@1337consulting.net> David Phillips wrote: >natecars@real-time.com writes: > > >>>I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run >>>w/ either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 >>> >>> >>Highly recommend the 3ware cards. 3dm is pretty darn nice. >> >> > >Same here. They make the only IDE RAID cards worth buying. These people >have good prices on 3ware products and good support: > >http://www.hypermicro.com/ > > > Not the *only* - Adaptec has ide/sata raid cards out... I'd be willing to bet Adaptec's are as good if not better just from the decades of scsi/raid cards they made before 3ware existed. Not only that but Adaptec has been jumping all over MB manufacturers to put their sata raid chipsets onboard. http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/common/index.html?prodkey=customer_story_satamboards&source=home_story2_satamboards&sess=no&language=English+US http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodtechindex.html?cat=/Technology/Serial+ATA&source=menu I would say if you pickup a 3ware, or an Adaptec - you won't be sorry. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Fri Feb 6 09:37:17 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <4023B2A2.7020903@1337consulting.net> Munir Nassar wrote: >On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > >>It's 3mbit down, 300kbit up, both roadrunner and comcast simutaneously announced >>they were doing this middle of last year, Minnesota just happened to be at >>the very end of the list of states to be upgraded. >> >>It was in response to lower rates for DSL. >> >> > >any word on their redefinition of unlimited? > > > It's unlimited! (limitations apply) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Feb 6 09:40:03 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> > It was in response to lower rates for DSL. Qwest has been (smugly) sitting on the sidelines while the cable companies have been gobbling up market share and pricing themselves out of business (consider the small but steady rate hikes, moreso in TV service, and the not-so-unlimited unlimited internet service - remember how cheap cable used to be? Even without the $6.00 Radio Shack descrambler ). They've been waiting for the beast to topple. The first push was the MSN partnership - I think that took the cable co's by surprise - Qwest now has less overhead, with Microsoft taking over the support for those customers. Bishop to e6. Now they're giving it it's second push with the new DSL rates and speeds. The cable co's have to respond, in order to appear competitive, so they up their speeds (but no price changes), eating further into their profits. Cable Co's: Castle, 0-0-0 Qwest: Qf4 I seriously expect to see a very drastic move by the cable co's within the next year (maybe a new partnership - Rxe6 to deal with the Microsoft bishop). They've certainly set the stage for a big rate hike ("I know it's a lot of money, but we GAVE you a bunch of free bandwidth!"). Or tiered pricing on CableModem service. Or a mass purging of "expensive" customers. They priced their service to be competitive with DSL, and I imagine they were operating on a pretty significant loss, or at least very little profit. They were gambling that they had deeper pockets than Qwest, to afford operating their network long enough to gain a larger install base so they could raise their rates to what they should be (and they could afford the customer exodus it would cause, because of their market share). I guess that's called a pawn storm :) It will be very interesting. But I could be dead wrong :) This is just the feeling I'm getting, watching the action from the stands. Adam Maloney NOT a market analyst Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Feb 6 09:42:57 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:10:21 -0600 > From: Todd Young > Doesn't work for everyone. > I got the same email and have NOT seen any improvement. > > Tim Wilson wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my > > bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back > > in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an > > "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! I did a quick test. First I downloaded a 40MB package from a known huge pipe. I got about 200KB/s. I unplugged my modem, waited, plugged it back it and got about 380KB/s. Granted, there aren't too many sites that can actually send data that fast, and you sure can't tell the difference web surfing, but man the big downloads are hella sweet. Anyone tried upstream rates? Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 09:45:39 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: Measuring bandwidth was Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206134039.GO15000@techmonkeys.org> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040206092438.03e672a0@mail.comcast.net> At 07:40 AM 2/6/2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:23:09AM -0600, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > popular methods of measuring bandwidth? some better than others? > >netperf is decent, if you're enough of a guru you can calculate the exact >size of each packet (including TCP/IP overhead) and go from there. > >Of course, I just downloaded the config for my modem and looked to see what >they had set it to. How did you download the modem config? -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.563 / Virus Database: 355 - Release Date: 1/17/2004 -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Feb 6 09:53:02 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > If you do nothing but download DVD images 24/7, you'll get a notice. What about legal DVD downloads? What about Linux ISOs? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Feb 6 10:13:51 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David Phillips wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > > If you do nothing but download DVD images 24/7, you'll get a notice. > > What about legal DVD downloads? What about Linux ISOs? I don't think he was even beginning to touch upon the matter of content, just bandwidth utilization. Copyright violation notices are a whole different discussion... Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 10:34:17 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040206162700.GR15000@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 09:45:44AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > > If you do nothing but download DVD images 24/7, you'll get a notice. > > What about legal DVD downloads? What about Linux ISOs? Who sad anything about content, I was referring to bandwidth utilization. No matter what the content is, downloading almost 1TB of data per month is excessive. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Feb 6 10:52:42 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B6D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@techmonkeys.org] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:27 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 09:45:44AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > > Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > > > If you do nothing but download DVD images 24/7, you'll > get a notice. > > > > What about legal DVD downloads? What about Linux ISOs? > > Who sad anything about content, I was referring to bandwidth > utilization. > > No matter what the content is, downloading almost 1TB of data > per month > is excessive. > If a person is downloading a TB of data a month they need to get a girlfriend/hobby/life/something. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 10:52:44 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040206164107.GS15000@techmonkeys.org> First of all, I hate Comcast. I hate Qwest almost as much. snip [I have satellite, because their cable tv sucks. no comment.] > They've been waiting for the beast to topple. The first push was the > MSN partnership - I think that took the cable co's by surprise - Qwest > now has less overhead, with Microsoft taking over the support for those > customers. Bishop to e6. Qwest continues to claim they can only deliver 640/640 to my apartment, they're not a viable solution. As for MSN, I think qwest was tired of the hassle. > Now they're giving it it's second push with the new DSL rates and > speeds. The cable co's have to respond, in order to appear competitive, > so they up their speeds (but no price changes), eating further into > their profits. Cable Co's: Castle, 0-0-0 Qwest: Qf4 Bandwidth is amazingly cheap, especially when you're Comcast (formerly AT&T) with all your bandwidth coming from att.net. The cable companies have peering agreements with a lot of decent locations that also offset the "cost" > I seriously expect to see a very drastic move by the cable co's within > the next year (maybe a new partnership - Rxe6 to deal with the Microsoft > bishop). They've certainly set the stage for a big rate hike ("I know > it's a lot of money, but we GAVE you a bunch of free bandwidth!"). Or > tiered pricing on CableModem service. Or a mass purging of "expensive" > customers. Comcast already had tiered pricing, they've just eliminated it with this bandwidth jump (Previously you could get 3mbit downstream for an extra $20/mo or so) The "expensive" customers are only expensive to their node, it has nothing to do with the amount of bandwidth they're using to the internet, only how busy they're keeping the node they're on. Worst case, they have to install another line card in the router and pair off another chunk in the ~700mhz band on the node. DSL can't do that. > They priced their service to be competitive with DSL, and I imagine they > were operating on a pretty significant loss, or at least very little > profit. They were gambling that they had deeper pockets than Qwest, to > afford operating their network long enough to gain a larger install base > so they could raise their rates to what they should be (and they could > afford the customer exodus it would cause, because of their market > share). I guess that's called a pawn storm :) The operating cost of a cable network is much less than DSL, the cable network is already there, all you have to do is plug in a headend unit and deploy the cable modems to customers, replacing those nasty 45mhz-900mhz splitters as you go. The cable companies are making plenty of profit off their cable internet service. They'll probably continue to raise rates, but that's what cable companies do, it has nothing to do with their cost of providing the service =) DSL is the Linux of the internet connectivity world, the geek value is high (static IP's, blocks of IP's, sometimes control over your DNS) but the extra expense isn't worth it for most people, nor is the lack of bandwidth. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 6 10:58:44 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206162700.GR15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040206162700.GR15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > No matter what the content is, downloading almost 1TB of data per month > is excessive. excessive maybe, but we were talking about excesses, we were talking about the meaning of unlimited. It is none of their business what i do with my unlimited bandwidth. If they cannot afford to sell unlimited bandwidth then they should not sell it. I would rather they say "4gigs a month for 54.95" versus "Unlimited bandwidth" and then send a letter saying: oh by the way, you are using too much of your unlimited bandwidth. in fact, if i am not mistaken that is false advertising, which is illegal in this country. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Feb 6 11:02:53 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:40 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > No matter what the content is, downloading almost 1TB of data per > > month is excessive. > > excessive maybe, but we were talking about excesses, we were talking > about the meaning of unlimited. > > It is none of their business what i do with my unlimited > bandwidth. If > they cannot afford to sell unlimited bandwidth then they > should not sell > it. I would rather they say "4gigs a month for 54.95" versus > "Unlimited > bandwidth" and then send a letter saying: oh by the way, you > are using too > much of your unlimited bandwidth. > > in fact, if i am not mistaken that is false advertising, > which is illegal > in this country. Not when it's marketing-speak, and not when you agree to the terms of service when you sign up. [AFAIK] The bandwidth _is_ unlimited as long as you're not drastically affecting other customer's service, which you could potentially do if you were constantly uploading or downloading files, no matter what they are. I've never come close to spending a full month downloading material constantly, but my roomate comes close pretty much every month, and we've never heard a peep. He'll have to work harder now to do that though, since we've got the faster speed. Oh darn! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Feb 6 11:04:46 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: <4023B15A.60105@1337consulting.net> Message-ID: On a related note, Dell will sell you a 4-port IDE raid card with their 600SC servers. The card is recognized under linux, but Dell doesn't have management software (like 3ware's 3DM software) for the card that is supported under linux. I don't know who the original manufacturer of the Dell card is. The card can be configured during boot up (the card has it's own bios, just like the 3ware cards and I'd image like the Adaptec cards), but once the system is up you have no way of finding out if one of the drives has failed or of managing the raid without a reboot to get back to the bios on the card. Anyway, the point is that you need to make sure the card works under linux and that the management software also works under linux. One doesn't necessarily imply the other. As was mentioned, 3ware's 3DM software is excellent and is supported under linux. I don't know about Adaptec's IDE raid cards or their management software as I haven't used them. Jeff On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Thomas Hudak wrote: > David Phillips wrote: > > >natecars@real-time.com writes: > > > > > >>>I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run > >>>w/ either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > >>> > >>> > >>Highly recommend the 3ware cards. 3dm is pretty darn nice. > >> > >> > > > >Same here. They make the only IDE RAID cards worth buying. These people > >have good prices on 3ware products and good support: > > > >http://www.hypermicro.com/ > > > > > > > Not the *only* - Adaptec has ide/sata raid cards out... I'd be willing > to bet Adaptec's are as good if not better just from the decades of > scsi/raid cards they made before 3ware existed. > > Not only that but Adaptec has been jumping all over MB manufacturers to > put their sata raid chipsets onboard. > > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/common/index.html?prodkey=customer_story_satamboards&source=home_story2_satamboards&sess=no&language=English+US > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodtechindex.html?cat=/Technology/Serial+ATA&source=menu > > I would say if you pickup a 3ware, or an Adaptec - you won't be sorry. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 6 11:06:11 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B6D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B6D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 rware@interplastic.com wrote: > If a person is downloading a TB of data a month they need to get a > girlfriend/hobby/life/something. hmm... can you download those? where at? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Feb 6 11:08:38 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206164107.GS15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: > First of all, I hate Comcast. > > I hate Qwest almost as much. I'm opposite on this. I've never gone through a six month period without a billing mistake. And it takes two months to be rectified. And they continue the mistake for those two months. Then it takes two months to correct those two months. > > They've been waiting for the beast to topple. The first > push was the > > MSN partnership - I think that took the cable co's by > surprise - Qwest > > now has less overhead, with Microsoft taking over the support for > > those customers. Bishop to e6. Qwest is evil, and you can see that by this partnership ^^^^ > DSL is the Linux of the internet connectivity world, the geek > value is high (static IP's, blocks of IP's, sometimes control > over your DNS) but the extra expense isn't worth it for most > people, nor is the lack of bandwidth. I would love static IPs, real DNS control, etc. But when I can get 3Mb down for [roughly] the same price? No contest. On top of that, my IP has only changed when I've moved. One year straight at three different houses (one of those were under ATTBI, one under TWC, and now one under Comcast.) Even if this weren't the case, I use everydns.net for dynamic DNS service and run a little client on one of my PCs that checks if it's changed every so often. Good enough for the casual stuff I do. My only gripe and wish is more upstream bandwidth. I wouldn't utilize it right now, but it would be feasible to do something with it if I had more than 384k up. John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 6 11:11:09 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040206162700.GR15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040206170605.GT15000@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:40:00AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > It is none of their business what i do with my unlimited bandwidth. If > they cannot afford to sell unlimited bandwidth then they should not sell > it. I would rather they say "4gigs a month for 54.95" versus "Unlimited > bandwidth" and then send a letter saying: oh by the way, you are using too > much of your unlimited bandwidth. > > in fact, if i am not mistaken that is false advertising, which is illegal > in this country. You signed away those rights. http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp You must ensure that your activity (including, but not limited to, use made by you or others of any Personal Web Features) does not improperly restrict, inhibit, or degrade any other user's use of the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an unusually large burden on the network. In addition, you must ensure that your activities do not improperly restrict, inhibit, disrupt, degrade or impede Comcast's ability to deliver the Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network Services. Furthermore, where do you see the word 'unlimited' on their website? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=unlimited+site%3Awww.comcast.net&btnG=Google+Search The only instances are news, and some rhapsody service. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Fri Feb 6 11:40:11 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040206170605.GT15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040206134534.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> <000f01c3ecc8$485bdca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040206162700.GR15000@techmonkeys.org> <20040206170605.GT15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <4023CEFC.6080305@DawnAndJohn.net> Matthew S. Hallacy said the following on 2/6/2004 11:06 AM: > You signed away those rights. > > http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp > > You must ensure that your activity (including, but not limited to, > use made by you or others of any Personal Web Features) does not > improperly restrict, inhibit, or degrade any other user's use of > the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an > unusually large burden on the network. In addition, you must > ensure that your activities do not improperly restrict, inhibit, > disrupt, degrade or impede Comcast's ability to deliver the > Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or > other network Services. OK, so how do I ensure that my activity (say, FTPing test files to/from servers at work) does not degrade any other user's use of the Service? How do I even *know* that I'm being naughty (in the sole judgment of Comcast)? -- jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Feb 6 11:44:26 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec SCSI RAID Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With all this talk of RAID, it reminded me that I'm having a RAID issue. My company uses an Adaptec 2100S SCSI RAID controller and we're running Red Hat 9.0 (for two more months). Our host says our server is beeping now and then, but I have no management software installed. He happens to be out of the country right now, and the server is in Wayzata, so getting there to get into the BIOS is ... inconvenient. Have any of you used Adaptec's Linux RAID management software? Their web site has RH9 drivers, but says Storage Manager is for RH 6.2 and 7.0 and Storage Manager Pro is for RH 6.1 and 6.2. Dare I try one of those on RH9? (I suppose the worst that happens is our server shuts down and I have to get the backup guy to let me into the building to fix things. Joy.) Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Feb 6 11:58:08 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <4023CEFC.6080305@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: Ideally, they send you a letter informing you of it. I don't think they just axe you the second someone complains. If it happens after the notice, they might, but that's a guess on my part. Anyone have direct experience with this? John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Ford > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:30 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > > Matthew S. Hallacy said the following on 2/6/2004 11:06 AM: > > You signed away those rights. > > > > http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp > > > > You must ensure that your activity (including, but not limited to, > > use made by you or others of any Personal Web Features) does not > > improperly restrict, inhibit, or degrade any other user's use of > > the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an > > unusually large burden on the network. In addition, you must > > ensure that your activities do not improperly restrict, inhibit, > > disrupt, degrade or impede Comcast's ability to deliver the > > Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or > > other network Services. > > OK, so how do I ensure that my activity (say, FTPing test > files to/from > servers at work) does not degrade any other user's use of the > Service? > How do I even *know* that I'm being naughty (in the sole judgment of > Comcast)? > -- > jcf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Fri Feb 6 12:00:25 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <4023D623.1010602@visi.com> Adam Maloney wrote: >>It was in response to lower rates for DSL. >> >> > >Qwest has been (smugly) sitting on the sidelines while the cable >companies have been gobbling up market share and pricing themselves out >of business (consider the small but steady rate hikes, moreso in TV >service, and the not-so-unlimited unlimited internet service - remember >how cheap cable used to be? Even without the $6.00 Radio Shack >descrambler ). > > I also remember when phone service was cheap ... but I agree that QWest is sitting on the sideline, and probably always will. I had DSL, moved across the street, now I can't get it and due to issues with the phone system between the CO and my house they tell me its unlikely that I will ever have the DSL option. BTW, I live in St Anthony so its not like I'm 6 miles out of East Bumf#$k and expecting service :-) I'm afraid that I don't see anything particularly redeeming about circuit-switched copper. Cable companies have just finished a massive upgrade to their systems so that they can offer video, broadband and phone service over their systems. The video largely pays for the connection making them strong competitors in the market for local phone service and broadband. I used AT&T digital phone for the last couple of years and recently switched to Vonage - I can't conceive of the circumstances that would convince me to go back to paying twice as much to QWest for the same services. And I'm not the only one. QWest is one of the most impacted companies when you look at people switching to other companies for local service. I just can't see how a circuit based system can economically compete with a packet-switched system. And if you start losing large numbers of phone customers to VoIP or digital cable-based phones all you're doing is increasing the average overhead cost for the remaining customers. The inflexibility & overhead cost of the current phone system, coupled with the regulatory requirements for universal service, makes it hard for competent RBOCs to compete let alone a company like QWest. >They priced their service to be competitive with DSL, and I imagine they >were operating on a pretty significant loss, or at least very little >profit. They were gambling that they had deeper pockets than Qwest, to >afford operating their network long enough to gain a larger install base >so they could raise their rates to what they should be (and they could >afford the customer exodus it would cause, because of their market >share). I guess that's called a pawn storm :) > > > That would be more convincing if QWest was in a position to compete with cable. Most people in the metro area have the option of cable broadband from either Comcast or Time Warner. I think something like 40% are locked out of DSL because of technical issues. There is no way for Qwest to take advantage of any disaffection for that 40%, nada, no way, no how. >It will be very interesting. > >But I could be dead wrong :) This is just the feeling I'm getting, >watching the action from the stands. > > All it takes to see how lame QWest is in this business is to take a serious look at their announcement that they are going to start offering VoIP services to their customers. So I need a phone line to get DSL so I can use VoIP - what's wrong with this picture :-) --rick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 6 13:06:07 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <4023D623.1010602@visi.com> References: <20040206082629.GM15000@techmonkeys.org> <1076081108.24192.46.camel@unixws1> <4023D623.1010602@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I used AT&T digital phone for the last couple of years and recently > switched to Vonage - I can't conceive of the circumstances that would > convince me to go back to paying twice as much to QWest for the same > services. Qwest is actually re-pricing their services to become more competitive, and I think it has a lot to do with the competition finally starting to come into play. Not that I'm a fan of Qwest, but at least they are trying to compete. > All it takes to see how lame QWest is in this business is to take a > serious look at their announcement that they are going to start offering > VoIP services to their customers. So I need a phone line to get DSL so I > can use VoIP - what's wrong with this picture :-) They may actually change that. If you read their disclosures, they *can* actually offer DSL service without analog service - the codes they use to order it are in them. They just don't let people buy this service; not sure if it's because it's hard to loop qualify people without an analog circuit to relate to, or if they are just being the big 'ol monopoly. I've also seen times where the analog side of a phone line is dead, but DSL still works fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Feb 6 13:06:37 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: Measuring bandwidth was Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:23:09AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040206124912.A17698@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > popular methods of measuring bandwidth? some better than others? try MRTG? http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Fri Feb 6 13:13:49 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: how do I make bios see cd-rom drive? Message-ID: <200402061852.i16IqVm9007595@fantasy.software.umn.edu> > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 11:41:53AM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > > > > Ok, when I was screwing around with switching my drives around, after I was > > done and booted up, I got a message about my cd-rom drive even though I > > never touched it. It asked something about if it should detect it, I said > > no since things were working fine with it before. Now my computer can't > > read my cd-rom drive. I went into bios but there wasn't any options to > > make it detect a device. any ideas what I should do to make my computer > > see it? > > Are you sure that you didn't accidently dislodge one of the cdrom > cables? Also, do you have the jumpers set correctly on the any > harddrive that shares an IDE cable with CDROM? Yeah, I'm sure. The cdrom is the only drive on the cable. > At 12:00 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote: > >Ok, when I was screwing around with switching my drives around, > > Master/Slave jumpers correct? It's in cable select mode, just like before I screwed around with it. > > after I was > >done and booted up, I got a message about my cd-rom drive even though I > >never touched it. It asked something about if it should detect it, I said > >no since things were working fine with it before. Now my computer can't > >read my cd-rom drive. I went into bios but there wasn't any options to > >make it detect a device. > > "Auto" works fine. Hit "pause" when the detailed BIOS boot screen comes by > & you should see all your drives listed. Enable the detailed screen in the > BIOS if you just get a splash screen. Auto? I didn't see that anywhere in my bios options. It also didn't have an option to disable a splash screen. I pressed F10 to get into my bios at startup and my options were pretty limited, there isn't some hidden set of menus, are there? > > any ideas what I should do to make my computer > >see it? > > What OS? bla, bla.... Red hat 9 on hda, mandrake 9.2 on hdb, I boot with grub. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 6 15:12:46 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040206210001.GA10412@fandre.com> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004, Chris Schumann wrote: > > I did a quick test. First I downloaded a 40MB package from a known huge > pipe. I got about 200KB/s. I unplugged my modem, waited, plugged it back > it and got about 380KB/s. > > Granted, there aren't too many sites that can actually send data that > fast, and you sure can't tell the difference web surfing, but man the big > downloads are hella sweet. > Yes, sweet they are. I don't even need to cron my apt-get dist-upgrades anymore. Life is good. > Anyone tried upstream rates? I think I read the upstream rate stayed the same. Can't remember where I read it from, but it might have been in the Comcast email. It would be nice if they would bump that up too though. Sometimes that 256k is a bit slow. (then /me remembers how I was stuck on dial-up for years and years) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Feb 6 16:02:53 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT ssl certificates Message-ID: <1076104098.26967.2078.camel@lotsa> I'm setting up https for the first time. (on linux/apache) Is there any real difference between a $49/year 128bit ssl certificate I can get from someplace like instantssl.com and the $895/year 128bit cert that Verisign sells? do I even need to pay $49/yr? I know I can sign my own but I don't want users getting browser messages about the certificate. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Feb 6 16:16:53 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT ssl certificates In-Reply-To: <1076104098.26967.2078.camel@lotsa> References: <1076104098.26967.2078.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <40240F76.2000300@andersonfam.org> Tom Penney wrote: > Is there any real difference between a $49/year 128bit ssl certificate I > can get from someplace like instantssl.com and the $895/year 128bit cert > that Verisign sells? do I even need to pay $49/yr? I know I can sign my > own but I don't want users getting browser messages about the > certificate. This isn't exactly an answer to your question, but I'm using InstantSSL for my certs at work - and they're great. Good, timely tech support, and then have good documentation on setting up ssl. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Fri Feb 6 16:27:43 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (Sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT ssl certificates Message-ID: ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Tom Penney Sent: Fri 2/6/2004 3:48 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] OT ssl certificates I'm setting up https for the first time. (on linux/apache) Is there any real difference between a $49/year 128bit ssl certificate I can get from someplace like instantssl.com and the $895/year 128bit cert that Verisign sells? do I even need to pay $49/yr? I know I can sign my own but I don't want users getting browser messages about the certificate. ----- A lot of it has to do with the level of insurance coverage included. For $50/year you will notice that InstantSSL provides like $50 or $100 of coverage in case of data theft, etc. For that $900 you may get more coverage. Although, InstantSSL also offers more coverage should you desire. Supposedly InstantSSL is supported slightly less than Verisign, etc. but in the 8+ months I've used one of their certs I've never had an issue at all. Well worth the $50. And no, you can't get around the pop-ups..they have to show up at least once (and then your users will have to chose to accept your cert). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had that - and ended up getting effectively a third of a month of free phone service out of it. My analog service broke sometime Friday - I got home 6ish, no dial tone. Borrowed next door neighbor's phone, called in a trouble ticket. Some back and forth the next day - the tech on the other end of the phone told me about 3PM Saturday that the tech in Minneapolis had flagged it "DSL - No Work on DSL on Weekends". She also told me that there wasn't going to be anyone working on _any_ lines on Sunday. Problem finally got fixed about 10-11AM on Monday, and my letter to QWest & the PUC went out on Tuesday - from my point of view, I spent three days without domestic dial-tone, and that was unacceptable. I got an acknowledgement of complaint from the QWest MN/VP's office, and a credit - I did _not_ get any indication that they had done anything to their procedures to keep this from happening to anyone else, which I had also asked for. I did get told that you have to lie to QWest to get certain kinds of service - I was having problems with my DSL for a while, it would just go away. Their side would claim my DSL device was talking, even when it had NO electrical connectivity to ANYTHING! After fighting with this for a month, I found out part of what was happening. I'd call in the problem, the remote tech would do their thing to patch it, and schedule an on-site to the CO for a local tech. The next day, I'd get a call asking if it was working - from the remote office. I'd say, 'Yes, right now it is.' They would mark the problem resolved, and THE LOCAL TECH'S VISIT TO THE CO WOULD BE CANCELLED! So, I asked, 'You mean, if I want to make certain the tech visits the local CO, I have to ask "Has the local tech made any notes on the case yet?", and when the answer is "No", say "It's still not working."?' And the manager told me that was the only way I could guarantee a visit to the CO from the local tech. QWest is insane. I'm still a DSL user, but mostly because, since that problem got fixed (they needed to replace something at my CO), I have had NO problems. That's in ... over three years now? As long as it's not broke, I'm not going to try to fix it. If I do end up dealing with QWest tech support for too long in the future, I'm going to seriously look at DirecWay satellite PC service. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Feb 6 17:20:49 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds Message-ID: I had Covad for over a year and they were great. They did not have they're act together and really dragged their feet during my transfer to Speakeasy, but I don't know if I'd expect anything different (I can see the testimonials "they made it really easy to switch away from them"). Speakeasy has been pretty nice so far, but I haven't had a lot of experience so far (but other Linux users have wholeheartedly recommended them). I'm glad I haven't had to talk to Qwest since that two year period they alternated between telling me I could and could not get DSL. :-/ >>> sraun@fireopal.org 02/06/04 04:28PM >>> On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:27:45PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I've also seen times where the analog side of a phone line is dead, > but DSL still works fine. QWest is insane. I'm still a DSL user, but mostly because, since that problem got fixed (they needed to replace something at my CO), I have had NO problems. That's in ... over three years now? As long as it's not broke, I'm not going to try to fix it. If I do end up dealing with QWest tech support for too long in the future, I'm going to seriously look at DirecWay satellite PC service. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Feb 6 17:22:53 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT ssl certificates In-Reply-To: <1076104098.26967.2078.camel@lotsa> (Tom Penney's message of "06 Feb 2004 15:48:18 -0600") References: <1076104098.26967.2078.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Tom Penney writes: > I'm setting up https for the first time. (on linux/apache) > > Is there any real difference between a $49/year 128bit ssl certificate I > can get from someplace like instantssl.com and the $895/year 128bit cert > that Verisign sells? do I even need to pay $49/yr? I know I can sign my > own but I don't want users getting browser messages about the > certificate. Interesting, hadn't found InstantSSL before. I wonder how the "sub-$50 transactions" rule is enforced? You can, however, do a lot better than $859 without getting into that sort of restrictions, too. It's more like $150 vs. $49. I'll probably sign my own, at least at first; but it's for a very restricted set of uses, where the users know me personally and are trainable enough to be able to tell their browsers to honor my certificate. For commercial use I wouldn't dream of even trying to sign my own. (I need it mostly to secure web mail.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Feb 6 22:37:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec SCSI RAID Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4024696F.1070806@visi.com> I haven't used teh Adaptec software but I've used the Compaq software. I would advise installing RAID management software for every installation. If the source is available you could compile the software on RH9, and do some testing. I think I'd find out what the beeping is before I'd install anything on a production server. Make the trip to Wayzetta and have lunch at the Blue Point. Nothing like a bucket of beer and oysters! Mm mmmmm I like em fresh with sea salt. Sam. Chris Schumann wrote: >With all this talk of RAID, it reminded me that I'm having a RAID issue. >My company uses an Adaptec 2100S SCSI RAID controller and we're running >Red Hat 9.0 (for two more months). > >Our host says our server is beeping now and then, but I have no management >software installed. He happens to be out of the country right now, and the >server is in Wayzata, so getting there to get into the BIOS is ... >inconvenient. > >Have any of you used Adaptec's Linux RAID management software? Their web >site has RH9 drivers, but says Storage Manager is for RH 6.2 and 7.0 and >Storage Manager Pro is for RH 6.1 and 6.2. > >Dare I try one of those on RH9? > >(I suppose the worst that happens is our server shuts down and I have to >get the backup guy to let me into the building to fix things. Joy.) > >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 22:45:43 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> References: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> Message-ID: <40246CB7.3@comcast.net> OK, I looked at the site listed below......I don't see a bandwidth tester....all I see is a boat-load of advertising. At least with this site, the bandwidth tester is the main item: http://webservices.cnet.com/Bandwidth/ This is the "tester" that I have been using and my speeds are generally just under 1MB. Scott J Julian wrote: > Yea Tim, Comcast has been talking about upping their speeds for months now, > my usual www.bandwithspeedtest.com test before was 1.3mbit, now its at > 2.9mbit. WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 7 00:12:51 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <40246CB7.3@comcast.net> References: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> <40246CB7.3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040207060459.GX15000@techmonkeys.org> Okay, we were wrong, you're on the special 640k package. On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:42:31PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > OK, I looked at the site listed below......I don't see a bandwidth > tester....all I see is a boat-load of advertising. > > At least with this site, the bandwidth tester is the main item: > http://webservices.cnet.com/Bandwidth/ > > This is the "tester" that I have been using and my speeds are generally > just under 1MB. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Feb 7 11:32:33 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040207060459.GX15000@techmonkeys.org> References: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> <40246CB7.3@comcast.net> <20040207060459.GX15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <40251EB0.9080808@comcast.net> As usual, Matthew is wrong again. I didn't say that "no one" was seeing any improvement. I said that "I" didn't see an improvement and I "implied" that each person's individual results may vary. My bandwidth (according to the Cnet bandwidth tester) only improved marginally, that could be because there are more people in my direct area that are sharing the same "hub" as me, so I don't see a large improvement. Or it could be any number of factors. Others, who have less customers on their "hub" could see a very big improvement in the bandwidth. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Okay, we were wrong, you're on the special 640k package. > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:42:31PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > >>OK, I looked at the site listed below......I don't see a bandwidth >>tester....all I see is a boat-load of advertising. >> >>At least with this site, the bandwidth tester is the main item: >>http://webservices.cnet.com/Bandwidth/ >> >>This is the "tester" that I have been using and my speeds are generally >>just under 1MB. > > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 7 12:00:34 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <40251EB0.9080808@comcast.net> References: <4022D7CC.3070403@visi.com> <001f01c3ecbf$3e465050$6401a8c0@xp2100> <40246CB7.3@comcast.net> <20040207060459.GX15000@techmonkeys.org> <40251EB0.9080808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040207175027.GC15000@techmonkeys.org> Perhaps the sarcasm was lost on you, the Cnet bandwidth tester is a load of crap. ftp to ftp.software.umn.edu and download something large, with a decent program (not internet explorer) that reports speeds. You're on the exact same node (or hub, as you like to call it) that I am, boot.iso: 3.53 MB 378.01 kB/s ncftp ...at-9-en/os/i386/images > pwd ftp://ftp.software.umn.edu/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-9-en/os/i386/images/ Stop whining. On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:21:52AM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > As usual, Matthew is wrong again. > > I didn't say that "no one" was seeing any improvement. I said that "I" > didn't see an improvement and I "implied" that each person's individual > results may vary. > > My bandwidth (according to the Cnet bandwidth tester) only improved > marginally, that could be because there are more people in my direct > area that are sharing the same "hub" as me, so I don't see a large > improvement. Or it could be any number of factors. Others, who have less > customers on their "hub" could see a very big improvement in the bandwidth. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sat Feb 7 13:10:37 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks Message-ID: <006a01c3edac$4a46af10$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Feb 7 13:25:01 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a little help with a scsi tape drive Message-ID: <001f01c3edae$e0bc6000$0a00a8c0@DELL2> I have a redhat 8 server that I am trying to get a scsi HP dat 24G tape drive working on. At start up my Adaptec AHA-2940 card is found and shows scsi ID 7. If I go into the scsi utility it shows my tape drive on ID 2 as HP C1537a. Once the box boots I can see the card in the hardware browser under scsi devices. If I cat /proc/scsi I can only see my 3ware card. I do get an error in dmesg, but found other post on the net that seemed to think it was some issue about when modules get loaded. Not sure how to diagnose this further. Any help is appreciated. Raymond Dmesg shows SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.02.00.025. scsi0 : Found a 3ware Storage Controller at 0xec00, IRQ: 10, P-chip: 1.3 scsi0 : 3ware Storage Controller Vendor: 3ware Model: 3w-xxxx Rev: 1.0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 SCSI device sda: 80041216 512-byte hdwr sectors (40981 MB) sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Feb 7 14:26:17 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <40251EB0.9080808@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Todd Young wrote: > As usual, Matthew is wrong again. Now, as much as I'll go off on Poptix for being an arrogant jackass, I won't just throw out a claim that he's wrong unless I'm damn sure of it. Out of curiosity, have you tried the speed test at www.broadbandreports.com? In my experience, they tend to reflect more accurate results. > I didn't say that "no one" was seeing any improvement. I said that "I" > didn't see an improvement and I "implied" that each person's individual > results may vary. My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Feb 7 15:05:14 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds References: Message-ID: <000801c3edbc$d0104e70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jima writes: > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Sat Feb 7 16:18:48 2004 From: david.blevins at visi.com (david.blevins@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040207211002.GA8814@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:29:00PM -0600, Christopher Smith wrote: > I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ > either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 > This is not an IDE setup, but the drives are just as cheep. OS: Red Hat 9 Controller: Adaptec Serial ATA RAID (2410SA) Disks: 4, Seagate 160GB SATA (ST3160023AS) Enclosure: Supermicro CSE-M34T Couple neat points: - The controller card supports raid 5, and can rebuild the array in the event of a disk failure. - The raid is bootable with Adaptec's RHEL or RH 9 drivers - The enclosure only requires two power supply connectors for the four disks in the raid, not four as you might imagine. Hope this helps. -- David Blevins _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Feb 7 18:22:32 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FS: Hard Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, I've just upgraded to a 250GB drive, so I no longer have need of this: Maxtor 5T030H3 Internal 3.5" hard disk "Diamond Max Plus 60" 30.7GB 7200RPM ATA-100 Interface Alas, it has a 2MB cache. See all the specs and other details here: http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/products/ata/desktop/diamondmax_plus_60_ult ra_ata_100/index.htm The drive is working perfectly, but you've got more than my word. Right on the sticker, it says the warranty is good until JUL04, so you've got several months of protection. On Maxtor's datasheet, it says "Advance replacement in 2 business days" and "No Quibble Service and Support." I'll sell for $35 cash (going price on eBay) and deliver in the metro area. Feel free to ask questions or let me know if you want to buy. Chris Schumann Partner Third Wave Partnership, LLC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Feb 7 22:53:54 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <000801c3edbc$d0104e70$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <000801c3edbc$d0104e70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200402072249.08670.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 07 February 2004 02:56 pm, David Phillips wrote: > Jima writes: > > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. > > Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many > splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the data channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. But like Jima I'm no cable expert. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 7 23:17:25 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <200402072249.08670.jack@jacku.com> References: <000801c3edbc$d0104e70$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200402072249.08670.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20040208050933.GD15000@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:49:08PM -0600, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable > modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the data > channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To > me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. David is correct. Signal levels can cause issues but it generally ends up causing loss of block sync (connection). A noisy signal can cause the occasional retransmission but you have to realize that it's linking up at approximately 57mbit downstream (256 QAM), a noisy 57mbit link will still provide you with your allocated 3mbit. Allowing cable modems with very poor signal levels to re-sync at a lower bitrate would slow down the rest of the network. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Feb 8 07:31:52 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402081319.i18DJ6d13288@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: USB 2.0 IDE Enclosure Kit/10 GIG HD USB 2.0/1.1 to IDE enclosure kit w/ 10 gig HD. Enclosure kit is 3 weeks old, barely used. HD is older. - Support UDMA 33/66 or ATA 100/133 CDROM, CD-D, CD-RW, DVD-ROM, DVD-RAM (copying from box) - has it's own power supply 100-240V It is nothing fancy, pretty generic enclosure kit. I believe the HD is IBM, it was pulled from my Compaq Presario PII 350 a number of years ago. $60/obo. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Feb 8 08:40:38 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402081428.i18ESQd13938@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Box of Computer Stuff $20, and have to take whole box and all of stuff in it: - 20 or so ISA 3com network cards (EtherLink III) - 3 or so ISA Creative Sound cards as well as other ISA sound cards - dell socket 7 motherboard w/ 150Mhz CPU - old dell laptop mainboard - 6 dell laptop power adapters (brand new) but for older model laptops - other motherboard 386 i believe - 3 or 4 CPU's, 386 - P100 - many old video cards, 1MB - 4MB lots of old IDE controllers (ISA), many of this stuff has not been tested and it is all sitting in a box, some things have the anti-static bags, some don't, box is full and is about 2.5' x 1' x 1', there are also some old Mac parts located in Burnsville http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Feb 8 11:57:21 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a little help with a scsi tape drive In-Reply-To: <001f01c3edae$e0bc6000$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <001f01c3edae$e0bc6000$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040208115146.4594658e.sfertch@real-time.com> Try doing a "modprobe st" and see if you can get it loaded into the kernel. Then do an "lsmod" and look for the tape drive. Are you loading the correct module for the 3ware card? Seems like it's having issues with loading the card properly. Any chance that the card is too new for the kernel (if it's a stock RH7 kernel)? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Feb 8 12:12:37 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks In-Reply-To: <006a01c3edac$4a46af10$0201a8c0@office> References: <006a01c3edac$4a46af10$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20040208120125.A16707@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:57:48PM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I am trying to compile a legacy FORTRAN 77 code with g77 on a > RH7.2 Linux box. I am ending up with some errors that deal > with common blocks. the general form of the message is shown > below. > > common block XYZ is AA bytes at (1) and BB bytes at (2) > > Yes ... I know the problem is sloppy programming where they > just didn't fill out the rest of the common block in the second > location with enough variables so that the common blocks match > up identically. The code is MUCH too long (~40,000 lines) to > go in and clean them up ... I literally get 100's of messages. If you are going to have to use this code for long, I would go in a and fix these errors. I have had to do this for code that is almost as big as yours, and its no fun, but it drastically improves maintainability. If you do try to fix this, use include files so that you don't have to change common blocks in dozens of different places. > I have done google searches, gone to gnu.org and looked through > the gcc site ... with no luck. Anyone out there have any > suggestions? I have tried running it with -Wno-common ... but > that seems to make no difference either. Seems like there > should be a way to get past these annoying warnings/errors. I don't see anyway to do this with g77 either. Unfortunately g77 is not a very good Fortran compiler. > On a Win2000 system, I can turn the warnings off and it > compiles, but does not link because of a bunch of system > specific calls that (timing routines, etc.) that I could just > delete, etc. It was a Digital Visual Fortran (like version > 6.5) on the Win2000 system. I would suggest trying a different compiler [1]. I would suggest starting the Intel Fortran Compiler [2]. You should be able to try it out for free, and depending on your needs you may be able to use it permanently for free. I don't know for sure that it has options that will fix your problem, but I know that the Intel compiler is much better than g77. BTW, this message would have been on-topic for the (very low traffic) tclug-devel list. Though my guess is there are not many other Fortran people on that list either. http://www.nikhef.nl/~templon/fortran.html http://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/flin/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at fruitioninc.com Sun Feb 8 15:47:24 2004 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks In-Reply-To: <20040208120125.A16707@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: > BTW, this message would have been on-topic for the (very low > traffic) tclug-devel list. Though my guess is there are not many > other Fortran people on that list either. I don't mean to pick on Jim or Randy, but why is it off-topic to discuss linux software development tools on a linux mailing list? G77 seems a lot more on topic than Comcast cable modem speeds. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Feb 8 17:19:04 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks In-Reply-To: References: <20040208120125.A16707@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040208170744.A16776@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:38:58PM -0600, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > BTW, this message would have been on-topic for the (very low > > traffic) tclug-devel list. Though my guess is there are not many > > other Fortran people on that list either. > > I don't mean to pick on Jim or Randy, but why is it off-topic to discuss > linux software development tools on a linux mailing list? G77 seems a lot > more on topic than Comcast cable modem speeds. I agree. I should have said more on topic ;) . -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Feb 8 20:50:20 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks References: Message-ID: <002701c3eeb6$1ca352b0$0201a8c0@office> You do have a point there ... I will keep them on topic in the future ... :-) I did not figure there would be a lot of FORTRAN programmers within the group ... it was a long shot to see if anyone else had run into this ... on topic it is from now on :-) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bresnahan" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: g77 - compiler warnings - common blocks > > BTW, this message would have been on-topic for the (very low > > traffic) tclug-devel list. Though my guess is there are not many > > other Fortran people on that list either. > > I don't mean to pick on Jim or Randy, but why is it off-topic to discuss > linux software development tools on a linux mailing list? G77 seems a lot > more on topic than Comcast cable modem speeds. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adnano at charter.net Sun Feb 8 21:15:01 2004 From: adnano at charter.net (Adnan Olia) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c3ec37$2a3cf420$fd01a8c0@VALUED2CAD0000> 3ware 7000 series Adnan -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:29 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] IDE RAID card for Linux Hi, I am looking for recommendations for an IDE RAID card that will run w/ either Fedora, or RHEL 3.0 Any suggestions? TIA, Christopher _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Feb 9 10:47:00 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: New IT jobs at Toro Message-ID: These jobs just got posted internally. They are not available on the Toro website yet. If you think you are interested, contact me directly, and I'll get you more detail. The first posting is specifically for somebody to support Apache, Websphere, Tomcat, JBoss and etc. The second should be self explanatory (it's level 3 support, level 1 and 2 are outsourced). Position Title: WEB TECHNICAL SUPPORT SPECIALIST (01654) Department: IS Position Title: DESKTOP SUPPORT ANALYST II/III (01651) Department: IS Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 9 11:52:45 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze Message-ID: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> Hi all- My system running Gentoo just froze and I had to do a hard reset (hit the power button). It would not respond to ctl-atl-del ctl-atl-backspace, unplugging usb mouse - hotplug did not "turn it back on" (the red light), no pings were returned, and ssh did not respond, nmap could not "see" it. upon reboot I get a Kernel Panic VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 the errors messages up to the Kernel Panic are like this (I'm typing all this so there may be some typos...) hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, sector=76546048 hda: read_intr: status 0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error} ide0: reset: success < another reset success> end_request: I/O error,dev 03:03 This is a Dell percision 530 with dual Xeon 1.5 Ghz and just shy of a gig of ram. I was listening to music, had opera up, just got done running John the Ripper of 5 days on my htpasswd file, and had about 15 aterms open. I just installed Firebird and cvs this morning. any thoughts on these errors? thanks johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Feb 9 12:11:55 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4027CA70.4080301@lorenburlingame.com> JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > any thoughts on these errors? > > thanks methinks you have a hard drive failure. replace hard drive, restore backup :) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Feb 9 12:24:46 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <2094.156.99.116.45.1076349924.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, > hda: read_intr: status 0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error} > ide0: reset: success > end_request: I/O error,dev 03:03 Usually that's a physical drive issue, either your drive or controller is on its death bed most likely. There are drive diagnostic utilites out there, I suggest giving those a try. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 9 13:29:03 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4027DDC6.90906@visi.com> Have you tried to view the drive with cfdisk or fdisk from a Gentoo CD? You may find the problem that way. Sam. JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > Hi all- > > My system running Gentoo just froze and I had to do a hard reset (hit > the power button). It would not respond to ctl-atl-del > ctl-atl-backspace, unplugging usb mouse - hotplug did not "turn it > back on" (the red light), no pings were returned, and ssh did not > respond, nmap could not "see" it. > > upon reboot I get a Kernel Panic VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 > > the errors messages up to the Kernel Panic are like this (I'm typing > all this so there may be some typos...) > > hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, > sector=76546048 > hda: read_intr: status 0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error} > > ide0: reset: success > > < another reset success> > > end_request: I/O error,dev 03:03 > > > > This is a Dell percision 530 with dual Xeon 1.5 Ghz and just shy of a > gig of ram. > I was listening to music, had opera up, just got done running John the > Ripper of 5 days on my htpasswd file, and had about 15 aterms open. I > just installed Firebird and cvs this morning. > > any thoughts on these errors? > > thanks > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 9 13:36:48 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection Message-ID: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the last 24 hours. Oh yea, AVG from www.grisoft.com is really good and "free" for home (windows) users. They have a Linux version but you will need to investigate that version. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 9 13:48:55 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027CA70.4080301@lorenburlingame.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <4027CA70.4080301@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <4027E0D4.10908@mn.rr.com> Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > > >> any thoughts on these errors? >> >> thanks > > > methinks you have a hard drive failure. > Are there any linux related causes of possible failure - i.e. wrong type of filesystem - hdparms (I didn't play with the hdparms settings though...)??? > replace hard drive, restore backup :) > > LB > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Mon Feb 9 14:08:16 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection Message-ID: I'm getting quite a few on my personal account, but it's mixed in with a lot of Mailer Daemon garbage as well. SpamAssassin is probably killing quite a few, but it's an old version. Some lists my girlfriend manages have been getting them as well, but they are always pending for approval. >>> smac@visi.com 02/09/04 01:32PM >>> How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the last 24 hours. Oh yea, AVG from www.grisoft.com is really good and "free" for home (windows) users. They have a Linux version but you will need to investigate that version. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Feb 9 14:32:08 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection In-Reply-To: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> Message-ID: <3646.156.99.116.45.1076358311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > They have a Linux version but you will need to investigate that version. I like AVG, but their pricing for the linux e-mail product is a bit steep. Are there any good cheap/free linux virus scanners? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Mon Feb 9 14:37:37 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec SCSI RAID Issue In-Reply-To: <4024696F.1070806@visi.com> References: <4024696F.1070806@visi.com> Message-ID: <4027EE5E.6010107@igi.com> I like ICP Vortex SCSI RAID controllers. They have very nice open drivers and management software for linux including a curses interface. 3Ware for IDE. Never much cared for Adaptec Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I haven't used teh Adaptec software but I've used the Compaq software. > I would advise installing > RAID management software for every installation. If the source is > available you could compile the > software on RH9, and do some testing. > I think I'd find out what the beeping is before I'd install anything > on a production server. Make the > trip to Wayzetta and have lunch at the Blue Point. Nothing like a > bucket of beer and oysters! Mm > mmmmm I like em fresh with sea salt. > > > Sam. > > Chris Schumann wrote: > >> With all this talk of RAID, it reminded me that I'm having a RAID >> issue. My company uses an Adaptec 2100S SCSI RAID controller and >> we're running Red Hat 9.0 (for two more months). >> >> Our host says our server is beeping now and then, but I have no >> management >> software installed. He happens to be out of the country right now, >> and the >> server is in Wayzata, so getting there to get into the BIOS is ... >> inconvenient. >> >> Have any of you used Adaptec's Linux RAID management software? Their web >> site has RH9 drivers, but says Storage Manager is for RH 6.2 and 7.0 and >> Storage Manager Pro is for RH 6.1 and 6.2. >> >> Dare I try one of those on RH9? >> >> (I suppose the worst that happens is our server shuts down and I have >> to get the backup guy to let me into the building to fix things. Joy.) >> >> Chris >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Feb 9 15:12:44 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027E0D4.10908@mn.rr.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <4027CA70.4080301@lorenburlingame.com> <4027E0D4.10908@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4027F5A4.5010603@lorenburlingame.com> JohnnyFulcrum wrote: >> >>> any thoughts on these errors? >> >> methinks you have a hard drive failure. >> > Are there any linux related causes of possible failure - i.e. wrong type > of filesystem - hdparms (I didn't play with the hdparms settings > though...)??? > well, it could be any number of things. In my experience, hard drives do fail. especially when subjected to any of the following: overclocking overheating inadiquate grounding power fluctuations dirty environment time (duh) I kind of doubt it was your filesystem unless it is really experimental or otherwise had some goofy options set. You might want to take a look at your kernel configuration and your fstab file just to make sure. As was already stated in this thread, you should run some diagnostics on your hard drive (probably in another machine, on a known good controller) to make sure that it is, indeed the drive. In addition to open source diagnostics, the drive manufacturer probably has a dos-type utility on their site that you can download. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Feb 9 15:17:57 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> (message from JohnnyFulcrum on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:36:46 -0600) References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >upon reboot I get a Kernel Panic VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 Device 03:03 is /dev/hda3. Boot from a CD and determine if the partition map on hda looks OK: # fdisk -l /dev/hda Are there any overlapping partitions or other strange or incorrect partitions? Optionally mount and try to backup important data. # fsck /dev/hda3 # mount /dev/hda3 /mnt3 Look at the mounted root filesystem to determine if it appears to be OK. >hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, >sector=76546048 This seems like a rather high sector number for the beginning of the root filesystem. How large are /dev/hda1 and /dev/hd2? How large is the hard drive? This LBA sector could be beyond the end of the disk. How old is the drive? Does it make any unusual noises? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Feb 9 15:31:43 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copying users and groups Message-ID: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I would like to make a newly-configured machine have the same users and groups (with the same numeric identifiers) as another. Is there any easy way to do this? Can one copy over /etc/group, /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow somehow? Or, assuming they're not contradictory (i.e., numeric identifiers and names don't clash), merge them together with the old ones? Thanks! r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Feb 9 15:32:17 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection In-Reply-To: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> Message-ID: <4027F98F.9050709@cruiskeen.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. > Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the > last 24 hours. > At work I've been logging between 5000 and 10000 per day - early last week it was 1 in 4 emails. We seem to be down to 1 in 10, so the mail servers are not completely creaking under the load any more. I hate PC's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Feb 9 15:48:37 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> <4027F98F.9050709@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <003001c3ef55$68032100$0300000a@net.tsinks> Maybe you don't hate PC's, they are only a machine of limiting possibilities. What creates this problem is the old M$ and the original set up of the PC's which is still partly there. CPM, HDos, and others had some better beginnings, but IBM bought into Bill. The holes are everywhere on the PC's because of the backward compatibility and the ties created for the DOS and Windows. Trying to do all things for all people leaves a lot of openings. Say thank you to Bell Labs, DEC, and LT for your current enjoyment. By the way, I haven't received many bad emails lately. It was worse several weeks back with the other 2 viruses for numbers. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hanson" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Virus Protection > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > > > > How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. > > Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the > > last 24 hours. > > > > > At work I've been logging between 5000 and 10000 per day - > early last week it was 1 in 4 emails. We seem to be down to > 1 in 10, so the mail servers are not completely creaking > under the load any more. > > > I hate PC's. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Feb 9 15:52:06 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog-ng Message-ID: <4027FD75.9050501@andersonfam.org> I'm in the process of setting up a gentoo box with syslog-ng to accept syslogs from all of my systems...maybe I'm blind, but I've been through the documentation, and I can't seem to get it to accept remote syslogs. Has anyone had success with this? Thanks- Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Feb 9 16:02:39 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog-ng Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> erik@andersonfam.org 02/09/04 03:36PM >>> > I'm in the process of setting up a gentoo box with syslog-ng to accept > syslogs from all of my systems...maybe I'm blind, but I've been through > the documentation, and I can't seem to get it to accept remote syslogs. > Has anyone had success with this? Sure, did you create a udp source, like this: source remote { udp(ip("0.0.0.0") port(514)); }; Then make sure you tie that togther with a destination using the 'log' directive. I can send examples if you like Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 9 16:17:43 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > >>upon reboot I get a Kernel Panic VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 >> >> > >Device 03:03 is /dev/hda3. > >Boot from a CD and determine if the partition map on hda looks OK: > ># fdisk -l /dev/hda > > Looks fine to me: Device Boot Start End Blocks ID system /dev/hda1 * 1 5 40131 83 Linux /dev/hda2 6 193 1510110 82 swap /dev/hda3 194 4982 38467642+ 83 LInux 40 gb drive...just as I set it up about 2 weeks ago.... >Are there any overlapping partitions or other strange or incorrect >partitions? > >Optionally mount and try to backup important data. > ># fsck /dev/hda3 > ># mount /dev/hda3 /mnt3 > > Was running fsck when your email came in :) it's resierfs ... "internal tree" looked ok, "Semantic tree" looked ok - No corruptions found the mounting produces (using same gentoo mount sequence - I used while boot strapping): swapon /dev/hda2 no std out mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo reiserfs: checking transaction log (device 03:03) ... Using r5 hash to sort names Removing [228367 634440 0x0 SD]..done Removing [229888 469925 0x0 SD]..done Removing [173836 168767 0x0 SD]..done There were 3 uncompleted unlinks/truncates. Completed reiserfs version 3.6.25 mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot no std out I can get to my data after these mounts (now to find enough space somewhere else to backup...) >Look at the mounted root filesystem to determine if it appears to be OK. > > > >>hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, >>sector=76546048 >> >> > >This seems like a rather high sector number for the beginning of the >root filesystem. > 3 partitions, so...... >How large are /dev/hda1 and /dev/hd2? > 1 is boot - 32 Mb, 2 is swap - 1.5 Gb 3 is the rest... (simple setup...) > How large is >the hard drive? > 40Gb > This LBA sector could be beyond the end of the disk. >How old is the drive? > came with the Dell Precision 530 my work provided me. Maybe a few years? > Does it make any unusual noises? > > can't hear it over all the fans on this system ! but no, I have not heard any unusual HD noise. >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon Feb 9 16:27:28 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <200402072249.08670.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: As I work for a cable company and am a Network Engineer, I can attest that sub-optimal modem levels impact speed. However, this is dependant on the modem. (Some seem to handle a less clean plant.) Essentially you are looking for approximately 40 to 50 dB on the Reverse and between 5 to -5 dB on the Forward. The further you are from those ranges, the more likely you are to accumulate errors, dropped packets, retransmits and other networking headaches which chew up your bandwidth. Amazingly, that's why those little numbers on splitters and pads are important. They actually add up to something. Except for a directional coupler, every split in a splitter accounts for approximately 3.5 dB. 2 way = (2)3.5dB 3 way = (1)3.5dB, (2)7dB 4 way = (4)7dB As you can see to make a 3 way, you need to split one that is already split. These help pad and adjust the levels in addition to thelevels coming into the house. (Incoming levels could vary depending on equipment at the street.) Now, if you have a dirty plant where signal to noise is down at 20dB, a 35dB reverse could be impacted by the noise even though DOCSIS modems supposedly can handle a reverse down at 8dB to 58dB. That's the difference between a test bench controlled environment and the real world with snow and cold weather, cars hitting polls and peds, humidity, and a billion other variables. I think you'll now see, cable is NOT either ON or OFF. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNA -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:49 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds On Saturday 07 February 2004 02:56 pm, David Phillips wrote: > Jima writes: > > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. > > Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many > splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the data channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. But like Jima I'm no cable expert. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Feb 9 16:42:20 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog-ng In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40280932.9000506@andersonfam.org> Bruce Broecker wrote: > Sure, did you create a udp source, like this: > > source remote { udp(ip("0.0.0.0") port(514)); }; > > Then make sure you tie that togther with a destination using the 'log' directive. That did it! Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Feb 9 16:44:46 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD369C@owa.compellent.com> I have my cable split about 6 ways and get frequent drop-outs. Will one of those bi directional broadband amplifiers work? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Rysztak Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:19 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds As I work for a cable company and am a Network Engineer, I can attest that sub-optimal modem levels impact speed. However, this is dependant on the modem. (Some seem to handle a less clean plant.) Essentially you are looking for approximately 40 to 50 dB on the Reverse and between 5 to -5 dB on the Forward. The further you are from those ranges, the more likely you are to accumulate errors, dropped packets, retransmits and other networking headaches which chew up your bandwidth. Amazingly, that's why those little numbers on splitters and pads are important. They actually add up to something. Except for a directional coupler, every split in a splitter accounts for approximately 3.5 dB. 2 way = (2)3.5dB 3 way = (1)3.5dB, (2)7dB 4 way = (4)7dB As you can see to make a 3 way, you need to split one that is already split. These help pad and adjust the levels in addition to thelevels coming into the house. (Incoming levels could vary depending on equipment at the street.) Now, if you have a dirty plant where signal to noise is down at 20dB, a 35dB reverse could be impacted by the noise even though DOCSIS modems supposedly can handle a reverse down at 8dB to 58dB. That's the difference between a test bench controlled environment and the real world with snow and cold weather, cars hitting polls and peds, humidity, and a billion other variables. I think you'll now see, cable is NOT either ON or OFF. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNA -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:49 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds On Saturday 07 February 2004 02:56 pm, David Phillips wrote: > Jima writes: > > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. > > Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many > splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the data channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. But like Jima I'm no cable expert. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Feb 9 16:47:10 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFT font system and anti-aliasing Message-ID: <40280D34.7080505@structural-wood.com> Hi, I'm trying to wrap my head around the XFT font system and I think I'm getting some sort of clue. My problem at the moment is that I want to shut off anti-aliasing for all xft based applications on a terminal by terminal basis. In other words, I want to write a shell script that uses xdpyinfo to determine display depth and resolution, and then turn off anti-aliasing if my script determines the display is suboptimal. I've run across the GDK_USE_XFT=0 environment variable which has a remarkably unpredictable affect on GTK applications, but that switches the app between XFT and server-side fonts which isn't what I want. Thoughts, opinions, off topic rants? Thanks, Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Feb 9 16:56:20 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD369C@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD369C@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040209235248.GD22347@therub.org> On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 04:30:29PM -0600, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I have my cable split about 6 ways and get frequent drop-outs. > > Will one of those bi directional broadband amplifiers work? The way I did it (and hopefully the cable company guy will also respond) is by splitting it when it first comes into the house with a good, two way splitter. The one split goes straight to the cable modem. The second, goes to an amplifier, and then to a n-way splitter for the tvs. So, we have a regular amplifier on the line, but it only amplifies the signal for the TVs. hth, dan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Rysztak > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:19 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > As I work for a cable company and am a Network Engineer, I can attest that > sub-optimal modem levels impact speed. However, this is dependant on the > modem. (Some seem to handle a less clean plant.) Essentially you are > looking for approximately 40 to 50 dB on the Reverse and between 5 to -5 dB > on the Forward. The further you are from those ranges, the more likely you > are to accumulate errors, dropped packets, retransmits and other networking > headaches which chew up your bandwidth. > > Amazingly, that's why those little numbers on splitters and pads are > important. They actually add up to something. > > Except for a directional coupler, every split in a splitter accounts for > approximately 3.5 dB. > > 2 way = (2)3.5dB > 3 way = (1)3.5dB, (2)7dB > 4 way = (4)7dB > > As you can see to make a 3 way, you need to split one that is already split. > > These help pad and adjust the levels in addition to thelevels coming into > the house. (Incoming levels could vary depending on equipment at the > street.) > > Now, if you have a dirty plant where signal to noise is down at 20dB, a 35dB > reverse could be impacted by the noise even though DOCSIS modems supposedly > can handle a reverse down at 8dB to 58dB. That's the difference between a > test bench controlled environment and the real world with snow and cold > weather, cars hitting polls and peds, humidity, and a billion other > variables. > > I think you'll now see, cable is NOT either ON or OFF. > > ============================ > Daniel Rysztak, CCNA > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:49 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 02:56 pm, David Phillips wrote: > > Jima writes: > > > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > > > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. > > > > Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many > > splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. > > The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable > modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the > data > channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To > me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. > > But like Jima I'm no cable expert. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Feb 9 17:01:45 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copying users and groups In-Reply-To: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (rpgoldman@real-time.com) References: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200402092306.i19N63L29989@ecstasy.winternet.com> rpgoldman wrote: >I would like to make a newly-configured machine have the same users >and groups (with the same numeric identifiers) as another. Is there >any easy way to do this? Can one copy over /etc/group, /etc/passwd >and /etc/shadow somehow? Or, assuming they're not contradictory >(i.e., numeric identifiers and names don't clash), merge them together >with the old ones? Don't copy them over as that may modify entries that the new system needs to run properly. Careful merging should work just fine. I occasionally do this myself. Setting up NIS or NIS+ servers, slave servers and clients would be another path that could be taken. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon Feb 9 17:21:40 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040209235248.GD22347@therub.org> Message-ID: That's typically one of the best ways to do it as the signal to the modem is as clean as you can get it. However, depending on the levels coming into the house, you may actually NEED some splits. I know it's not always easy, but the best thing is to have a cable tech come and check signals. They typically have a meter that will let them see the levels. The other way to do this depends on the brand/model of cable modem and the Cable Operator (some are more strict than others.) If the modem supports it, you can statically change your IP address on your computer to 192.168.100.2 and change the gateway to 192.168.100.1. (Sub-interface should let this work too.) Subnet of /24 (255.255.255.0). Now pull up the web page at http://192.168.100.1/. This part varies totally on modem. Surfboards will generally display all the info about levels, Ambit's require a username and password (defaults to root/root if memory serves me) to see levels. The levels will only show when the modem has sync. Now, you can adjust padding/amplification/splitting until you are in the window I mentioned. With splitters, if you take your Reverse from 45 dB to 48.5 dB, your Forward will go from say -1 dB to -4.5 dB approximately. (Directional couplers act differently and vary by model. RSA pads affect only the Reverse padding. Not all companies use them.) If you can't get the levels right inside the house (i.e you have a -10 dB on forward and +30 dB on Reverse, going to +40 dB on Reverse will change the forward to -20 dB which is WAY out of spec) you'll have to have the Cable Operator do some work at the tap or in the field. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNA http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Rue Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:53 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 04:30:29PM -0600, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I have my cable split about 6 ways and get frequent drop-outs. > > Will one of those bi directional broadband amplifiers work? The way I did it (and hopefully the cable company guy will also respond) is by splitting it when it first comes into the house with a good, two way splitter. The one split goes straight to the cable modem. The second, goes to an amplifier, and then to a n-way splitter for the tvs. So, we have a regular amplifier on the line, but it only amplifies the signal for the TVs. hth, dan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Rysztak > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:19 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > As I work for a cable company and am a Network Engineer, I can attest that > sub-optimal modem levels impact speed. However, this is dependant on the > modem. (Some seem to handle a less clean plant.) Essentially you are > looking for approximately 40 to 50 dB on the Reverse and between 5 to -5 dB > on the Forward. The further you are from those ranges, the more likely you > are to accumulate errors, dropped packets, retransmits and other networking > headaches which chew up your bandwidth. > > Amazingly, that's why those little numbers on splitters and pads are > important. They actually add up to something. > > Except for a directional coupler, every split in a splitter accounts for > approximately 3.5 dB. > > 2 way = (2)3.5dB > 3 way = (1)3.5dB, (2)7dB > 4 way = (4)7dB > > As you can see to make a 3 way, you need to split one that is already split. > > These help pad and adjust the levels in addition to thelevels coming into > the house. (Incoming levels could vary depending on equipment at the > street.) > > Now, if you have a dirty plant where signal to noise is down at 20dB, a 35dB > reverse could be impacted by the noise even though DOCSIS modems supposedly > can handle a reverse down at 8dB to 58dB. That's the difference between a > test bench controlled environment and the real world with snow and cold > weather, cars hitting polls and peds, humidity, and a billion other > variables. > > I think you'll now see, cable is NOT either ON or OFF. > > ============================ > Daniel Rysztak, CCNA > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:49 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 02:56 pm, David Phillips wrote: > > Jima writes: > > > My immediate guess is that maybe the coax feed to your cable modem is > > > sub-optimal. I'm not a cable expert, though. > > > > Cable is either on or off. A bad signal (often caused by too many > > splitters) will cause failure, not lower speeds. > > The way I understood it from the guy who did the cable check for my cable > modem in Duluth was that there are optimal signal voltage levels for the > data > channels. If the signal is outside that level the modem can have trouble. To > me that implies the possibility of sub-optimal performance. > > But like Jima I'm no cable expert. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From yiding_wang at agilent.com Mon Feb 9 17:31:47 2004 From: yiding_wang at agilent.com (yiding_wang@agilent.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iometer running under linux question Message-ID: <0A78D025ACD7C24F84BD52449D8505A159CB03@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> I don't know if this is right place for such question but hope someone canhelp on the issue. I have iometer runing on w2k ok and connected with a RH9.0 linux 32 system. Both system can ping to each other. Linux system has set up the host w2k name in /etc/hosts file. When run dynamo onlinux with either w2k host name or host I address, w2k iomater will hang and task manager will show iometer "No Response". The linux system fives login access to its localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). It means these two cannot communicate with each other. I tried both 12..16 version adn 05.10 version but got the same result. What is my problem? Thanks! Eddie _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 9 17:38:01 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD369C@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD369C@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I have my cable split about 6 ways and get frequent drop-outs. > > Will one of those bi directional broadband amplifiers work? I'd suggest picking up a couple drop amps (amplifier with a built-in splitter, similar to what the cable company usually will install for you) and splittings things that way. Of course, like Daniel mentioned, you'll want to get a cable tech out to make sure you're not pumping too much power into your modem. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Feb 9 18:21:53 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: need a little help with a scsi tape drive Message-ID: <008701c3ef69$dacd2d70$0a00a8c0@DELL2> > Try doing a "modprobe st" and see if you can get it loaded into the > kernel. Then do an "lsmod" and look for the tape drive. I did "modprobe st" and then did "lsmod", and shazaam, it was all there! I am currently running a backup to the tape drive right now. Just wondering what would be the best way to be sure the Adaptec module was loaded on a reboot? Module Size Used by Not tainted aic7xxx 138484 1 3w-xxxx 33792 3 sd_mod 13552 6 scsi_mod 110344 4 [aic7xxx st 3w-xxxx sd_mod] < cat /proc/scsi> Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: 3ware Model: 3w-xxxx Rev: 1.0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: ffffffff Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 Vendor: HP Model: C1537A Rev: L105 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Feb 9 21:57:45 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copying users and groups In-Reply-To: <200402092306.i19N63L29989@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200402092306.i19N63L29989@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <16424.22051.607722.391039@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Fuchs writes: Ken> rpgoldman wrote: >> I would like to make a newly-configured machine have the same users >> and groups (with the same numeric identifiers) as another. Is there >> any easy way to do this? Can one copy over /etc/group, /etc/passwd >> and /etc/shadow somehow? Or, assuming they're not contradictory >> (i.e., numeric identifiers and names don't clash), merge them together >> with the old ones? Ken> Don't copy them over as that may modify entries that the new system Ken> needs to run properly. Ken> Careful merging should work just fine. I occasionally do Ken> this myself. Thanks, Ken. I'll do that. Ken> Setting up NIS or NIS+ servers, slave servers and clients would be Ken> another path that could be taken. I've been trying to figure out at what point that becomes worthwhile. best, r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Feb 9 22:06:55 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copying users and groups In-Reply-To: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200402092201.30069.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 09 February 2004 03:19 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I would like to make a newly-configured machine have the same users > and groups (with the same numeric identifiers) as another. Is there > any easy way to do this? Can one copy over /etc/group, /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow somehow? Or, assuming they're not contradictory > (i.e., numeric identifiers and names don't clash), merge them together > with the old ones? I made a very simple script that will extract the uids and gids over 500 and put them in separate files for you to append onto the end of your passwd, shadow, group, and gshadow files. Run it first with 'exportusers passwd shadow', this will create the files 'userpasswd', and 'usershadow'. Then run it with 'exportusers group gshadow', this will create the files 'usergroup' and 'usergshadow'. I would check and make sure that there are no low 5xx uid users on your new system that conflict, if there are no conflicts you should be able to run 'cat userfile >> file'. Bret. > > Thanks! > r > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ######----Mordant-----###### # Make it hurt for someone # ######----------------###### http://www.mordant.com https://www.mordantmail.com http://www.mordantforum.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When all user home directories are on NFS filesystems, it is nice to have consistent "/etc" files exported by NIS/NIS+ for all client machines on the LAN. Beyond a certain rather low number of clients, the reduction of effort that using NIS/NIS+ results in will be greater than the effort of maintaining the NIS/NIS+ server(s), [slave server(s)] and clients. Another big factor is how often client machines and users are added or removed from the LAN; if this happens often, NIS/NIS+ becomes a significant labor saver even on a small LAN. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Feb 9 23:27:15 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection In-Reply-To: <3646.156.99.116.45.1076358311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> <3646.156.99.116.45.1076358311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <2327.192.1.1.23.1076390528.squirrel@dccmn.com> I've been looking at clamav. Seems to be pretty good. Brian said: >> They have a Linux version but you will need to investigate that >> version. > > I like AVG, but their pricing for the linux e-mail product is a bit > steep. > Are there any good cheap/free linux virus scanners? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Feb 10 00:14:58 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> (message from JohnnyFulcrum on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:57 -0600) References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >Device Boot Start End Blocks ID system >/dev/hda1 * 1 5 40131 83 Linux >/dev/hda2 6 193 1510110 82 swap >/dev/hda3 194 4982 38467642+ 83 LInux >40 gb drive...just as I set it up about 2 weeks ago.... Yes, the partitions look fine. >>>hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, >>>sector=76546048 This sector appears to be at the end of the /dev/hda3 partition. Is the reiserfs the same size as the partition? debugreiserfs(8) can be used to determine the size of a reiserfs. The above error does unfortunately appear to be the result of the hard drive's hardware failing. It could be a glitch that goes away. The hard drive might do a remap to avoid this bad area. It could be a problem that comes and goes or it could be the beginning of a catastrophic failure. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0209.2/0099.html Of course, it is the kernel that is communicating the error to us. It could be the kernel and not a media error at all. Or it could be a strange error that fsck shouldn't fix, but some how does. Does the system boot after doing the fsck, mount and backup? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Feb 10 05:46:38 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: need a little help with a scsi tape drive In-Reply-To: <008701c3ef69$dacd2d70$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <008701c3ef69$dacd2d70$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040210053758.58bb9e77.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:07:21 -0600 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > Try doing a "modprobe st" and see if you can get it loaded into > > the kernel. Then do an "lsmod" and look for the tape drive. > > > I did "modprobe st" and then did "lsmod", and shazaam, it was all > there! I am currently running a backup to the tape drive right now. > Just wondering what would be the best way to be sure the Adaptec > module was loaded on a reboot? > Put it in your /etc/modules.conf man modules.conf for more specific info. Or, if you feel like it, you can recompile the kernel. =) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Feb 10 08:22:27 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog-ng Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> erik@andersonfam.org 02/09/04 04:26PM >>> > Bruce Broecker wrote: >> Sure, did you create a udp source, like this: >> >> source remote { udp(ip("0.0.0.0") port(514)); }; >> >> Then make sure you tie that togther with a destination using the 'log' directive. > That did it! Thanks! WooHoo! I answered a question! Sorry about that, it just means that I'm starting to get a clue. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Tue Feb 10 08:53:06 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with minimal email Message-ID: <16424.60803.826285.709389@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I think I've asked this before, but is there a good choice for a minimal mail installation that is less complex than either postfix, exim, qmail or sendmail? All I'd like is a mailer that is able to toss something at a relay, or deliver to a small number of local addresses. Seems like the kinds of mail servers that we get on linux are great for serving up mail to hundreds of users, but for a personal workstation they're like shooting gnats with an elephant gun :-( Thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From g91 at baz-tech.com Tue Feb 10 09:21:30 2004 From: g91 at baz-tech.com (Bryan Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: need a little help with a scsi tape drive References: <008701c3ef69$dacd2d70$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <20040210053758.58bb9e77.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <008b01c3efe8$9cfbe1b0$7a46f6cc@mercury> I use an Adaptec SCSI card and a SCSI tape backup drive. I did recompile the kernel and made sure the aic7xxx.o SCSI module was in fact a module. depmod saw to it that modules.conf was updated appropriately. Scsi tape support was also compiled as a module (st.o). I boot with an initrd image (in RedHat 9) which ensures that the module is always loaded. Bryan Zimmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: need a little help with a scsi tape drive > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:07:21 -0600 > "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > > > Try doing a "modprobe st" and see if you can get it loaded into > > > the kernel. Then do an "lsmod" and look for the tape drive. > > > > > > I did "modprobe st" and then did "lsmod", and shazaam, it was all > > there! I am currently running a backup to the tape drive right now. > > Just wondering what would be the best way to be sure the Adaptec > > module was loaded on a reboot? > > > > Put it in your /etc/modules.conf > > man modules.conf for more specific info. > > Or, if you feel like it, you can recompile the kernel. =) > > -- > Shawn > > "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of > fear." > -Mark Twain > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Feb 10 09:29:21 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with minimal email References: <16424.60803.826285.709389@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <000a01c3efea$4207f7b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Robert P. Goldman writes: > I think I've asked this before, but is there a good choice for a > minimal mail installation that is less complex than either postfix, > exim, qmail or sendmail? http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 10 10:26:28 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > >>Device Boot Start End Blocks ID system >>/dev/hda1 * 1 5 40131 83 Linux >>/dev/hda2 6 193 1510110 82 swap >>/dev/hda3 194 4982 38467642+ 83 LInux >> >> > > > >>40 gb drive...just as I set it up about 2 weeks ago.... >> >> > >Yes, the partitions look fine. > > > >>>>hda: read_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBA sect=79646593, >>>>sector=76546048 >>>> >>>> > >This sector appears to be at the end of the /dev/hda3 partition. >Is the reiserfs the same size as the partition? > May be a bit smaller - reiserfs is 9616910 blocks with a block size of 4096 = 39390863360 / 1024 = 38467640 > debugreiserfs(8) can be >used to determine the size of a reiserfs. > >The above error does unfortunately appear to be the result of the hard >drive's hardware failing. It could be a glitch that goes away. The >hard drive might do a remap to avoid this bad area. It could be a >problem that comes and goes or it could be the beginning of a >catastrophic failure. > >http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0209.2/0099.html > >Of course, it is the kernel that is communicating the error to us. It >could be the kernel and not a media error at all. Or it could be a >strange error that fsck shouldn't fix, but some how does. > >Does the system boot after doing the fsck, mount and backup? > > no - I can boot from gentoo live cd, mount everything in the part table and chroot into the system - I'm doing a backup now - but letting it boot by itself - I get the same errors . That doesn't really make sense to me. why can I get it up and going, but it can not? >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bret at mordant.com Tue Feb 10 11:51:34 2004 From: bret at mordant.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copying users and groups In-Reply-To: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200402092200.42825.bret@mordant.com> On Monday 09 February 2004 03:19 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I would like to make a newly-configured machine have the same users > and groups (with the same numeric identifiers) as another. Is there > any easy way to do this? Can one copy over /etc/group, /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow somehow? Or, assuming they're not contradictory > (i.e., numeric identifiers and names don't clash), merge them together > with the old ones? I made a very simple script that will extract the uids and gids over 500 and put them in separate files for you to append onto the end of your passwd, shadow, group, and gshadow files. Run it first with 'exportusers passwd shadow', this will create the files 'userpasswd', and 'usershadow'. Then run it with 'exportusers group gshadow', this will create the files 'usergroup' and 'usergshadow'. I would check and make sure that there are no low 5xx uid users on your new system that conflict, if there are no conflicts you should be able to run 'cat userfile >> file'. 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Goldman wrote: > I think I've asked this before, but is there a good choice for a > minimal mail installation that is less complex than either postfix, > exim, qmail or sendmail? > http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/ssmtp.html LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Feb 10 14:53:50 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling Message-ID: I have (or will have) ssh access out of my box at work. I'd like to have access to external IMAP etc, so I could use an ssh tunnel, but I'd hate to always establish a tunnel, is their an easy way to do keep some tunnel established? -dd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Tue Feb 10 15:12:23 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40294770.6070302@lorenburlingame.com> Dave Dash wrote: > I have (or will have) ssh access out of my box at work. I'd like to > have access to external IMAP etc, so I could use an ssh tunnel, but I'd > hate to always establish a tunnel, is their an easy way to do keep some > tunnel established? > ever look into stunnel? http://www.stunnel.org/ LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 10 15:32:24 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210212005.GC27014@fandre.com> You could write a script to check to see if the tunnel is active, and if it isn't, start it up. (using a ssh auth key without a password) Then run this script out of cron every so often. On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > I have (or will have) ssh access out of my box at work. I'd like to > have access to external IMAP etc, so I could use an ssh tunnel, but I'd > hate to always establish a tunnel, is their an easy way to do keep some > tunnel established? > > -dd > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Feb 10 15:49:35 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling Message-ID: Well what'd be supercool is somewhere where I wouldn't even need to change my ports in my programs to all be localhost:somelocalport Like VPN or somethign. >>> Clay Fandre 02/10/04 03:20PM >>> You could write a script to check to see if the tunnel is active, and if it isn't, start it up. (using a ssh auth key without a password) Then run this script out of cron every so often. On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > I have (or will have) ssh access out of my box at work. I'd like to > have access to external IMAP etc, so I could use an ssh tunnel, but I'd > hate to always establish a tunnel, is their an easy way to do keep some > tunnel established? > > -dd > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Feb 10 18:07:24 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get cursor to move back one char on command line Message-ID: I'm writing a script with php that will have a rotating cursor during waiting times. I started with printing out a '#' everytime, but that doesn't work well when there's 10,000 or so of them. I can use \r and rewrite the whole line again, but then you can see the cursor moving across the line. It works fine if I have it on a line by itself, but I would like to have it directly after a description of what it's waiting on, on the same line. Is there a way in php to have the cursor move back one char? Or is there a simpler way of doing this? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Feb 10 18:41:35 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040211003244.GA4315@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave.worden at veritas.com Tue Feb 10 19:41:47 2004 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get cursor to move back one char on command line Message-ID: <305FFEDE10E368449714750CCC448E12C3FF6E@rosxchcln1.enterprise.veritas.com> > Is there a way in php to have the cursor move back one char? I don't code in php, but ASCII backspace \b probably is your friend here. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Feb 10 22:01:24 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get cursor to move back one char on command line References: Message-ID: <007701c3f052$f2f9fd80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Close writes: > I'm writing a script with php that will have a rotating cursor during > waiting times. #!/usr/local/bin/php -qC -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Feb 11 01:48:04 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> (message from JohnnyFulcrum on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:16:10 -0600) References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <200402110751.i1B7pXG13554@ecstasy.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs wrote: >>Of course, it is the kernel that is communicating the error to us. It >>could be the kernel and not a media error at all. >>Does the system boot after doing the fsck, mount and backup? Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >no - I can boot from Gentoo live CD, mount everything in the part table >and chroot into the system - I'm doing a backup now - but letting it >boot by itself - I get the same errors . Doing a chroot to the "/dev/hda3" mount-point is a good test, but there could still be problems with the hard drive. Can you boot using a "rescue" kernel and root=/dev/hda3 option via the Gentoo live CD? This will cause all the boot processes to be loaded from the hard drive rather than the CD and thus exercise the hard drive more and be more likely to detect problems with the hard drive. Since, booting directly from hard drive no longer works, it is possible that the kernel or initrd (if any) being loaded from /dev/hda1 are some how corrupt. >That doesn't really make sense to me. why can I get it up and going, >but it can not? The main difference between booting from the live CD and the hard drive is where the kernel (and initrd, if any) is loaded from: Booting from the live CD, the kernel and initrd is loaded from the live CD. The boot processes are also loaded from the CD, unless the root=/dev/hda3 option is passed to the kernel. Booting from the hard drive, the kernel and initrd is loaded from the hard drive. The boot processes are also loaded from the hard drive. It appears that either the kernel or initrd (if any) on /dev/hda1 is corrupt and needs to be replaced. The kernel and initrd (if any) on the Gentoo live CD will probably work fine with root=/dev/hda3. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Feb 11 03:51:44 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076492133.6649.26.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 11 10:10:33 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Transparent Tunneling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040211155631.GA4595@fandre.com> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > Well what'd be supercool is somewhere where I wouldn't even need to > change my ports in my programs to all be localhost:somelocalport > > Like VPN or somethign. > You can setup a ppp over ssh VPN connection. I use this all the time and it works great. Sure there is extra overhead, but for ssh or imap traffic, it's fine. The Firewall Piercing Howto has a nice example. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Firewall-Piercing/x189.html#AEN204 Then just add some entries to your /etc/hosts and you are set. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 11 10:38:37 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP question w/ Apache 1.3(?) on Slackware Message-ID: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm trying to get the phpsysinfo script to work on Slackware boxes. I have php, mod_php and apache installed, but everytime I go to the directory that has the script in it from a browser, all I see is source code instead of output. I modified my httpd.conf file to allow index.php as a index file type, and restarted the server. I'm still seeing source code.... What am I overlooking to get this to work properly? I'm currently looking for some sysinfo stats/output/collection scripts to evaluate and came across this. We finally have officially supported Linux boxes here at work that I'm administering! Thanks. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Feb 11 10:59:40 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP question w/ Apache 1.3(?) on Slackware References: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3f0be$a64e2ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Shawn writes: > What am I overlooking to get this to work properly? AddType application/x-httpd-php .php AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Wed Feb 11 11:19:52 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP question w/ Apache 1.3(?) on Slackware In-Reply-To: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > I modified my httpd.conf file to allow index.php as a index > file type, and restarted the server. I'm still seeing source code.... > What am I overlooking to get this to work properly? Check out the documentation here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.apache.php Specifically steps 14 through 17. -Steve strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Wed Feb 11 11:26:48 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> <4027F98F.9050709@cruiskeen.com> <003001c3ef55$68032100$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <007101c3f0c1$c5743eb0$6401a8c0@Brak> From: "Tim Sinks" >The holes are everywhere on the > PC's because of the backward compatibility and the ties created for the DOS > and Windows. I once excused Bill this way myself, but the more I look into the root of all the bloody BOs, the more it looks like crapy programming. Take yesterday's patch for instance. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/10/2031219&mode=thread&tid=109&tid=126&tid=172&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201 It's a hole in a lower level component for several of M$s products within the NT related OSs. This one's purported to be one of the largest holes yet. Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benjaminbetts@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sinks" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Virus Protection > Maybe you don't hate PC's, they are only a machine of limiting > possibilities. What creates this problem is the old M$ and the original set > up of the PC's which is still partly there. CPM, HDos, and others had some > better beginnings, but IBM bought into Bill. The holes are everywhere on the > PC's because of the backward compatibility and the ties created for the DOS > and Windows. Trying to do all things for all people leaves a lot of > openings. > Say thank you to Bell Labs, DEC, and LT for your current enjoyment. > By the way, I haven't received many bad emails lately. It was worse several > weeks back with the other 2 viruses for numbers. > Keep looking up, > Tim Sinks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hanson" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Virus Protection > > > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. > > > Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the > > > last 24 hours. > > > > > > > > > At work I've been logging between 5000 and 10000 per day - > > early last week it was 1 in 4 emails. We seem to be down to > > 1 in 10, so the mail servers are not completely creaking > > under the load any more. > > > > > > I hate PC's. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Feb 11 11:35:54 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP question w/ Apache 1.3(?) on Slackware In-Reply-To: <000d01c3f0be$a64e2ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> <000d01c3f0be$a64e2ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040211111552.2259ea03.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:46:51 -0600 "David Phillips" wrote: > > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php > AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps > > > David, there's a call for using the /etc/apache/mod_php.conf file: # ==> mod_php configuration settings <== Include /etc/apache/mod_php.conf Here's the mod_php.conf file: # mod_php - PHP Hypertext Preprocessor module # LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so AddModule mod_php4.c # Tell Apache to feed all *.php files through the PHP module AddType application/x-httpd-php .php # This will display PHP files in colored syntax form. Use with # caution. AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Feb 11 11:45:27 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Re: [TCLUG] February TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:56:28PM -0600 References: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040205182212.C19801@thinkunix.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > Sorry folks, I was unable to find a real speaker for this month's > meeting. But we will be having a meeting just as an excuse for getting > out of the house. Feel free to bring topics to discuss or things to > share. I probably don't be able to make it, but Ben said he could get > things going. Next month we should have a solid topic. > > -- Clay > > When: > February 7th, 2004, noon-2pm > > Topic: > Ben will be leading an open discussion > > Where: > University of Minnesota > Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building > Room EE-CS 3-180 > Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html This Sat, Feb 7 marks exactly 6 years since our first TCLUG meeting. http://lwn.net/1998/0212/a/lugmsp.html Wish I would have thought of it sooner. Would have been cool to have a history of the group over time. -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 11 11:54:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Protection In-Reply-To: <007101c3f0c1$c5743eb0$6401a8c0@Brak> References: <4027E038.1040400@visi.com> <4027F98F.9050709@cruiskeen.com> <003001c3ef55$68032100$0300000a@net.tsinks> <007101c3f0c1$c5743eb0$6401a8c0@Brak> Message-ID: <402A69D4.1060605@visi.com> Anyone can drive a truck through an M$ OS, they never put in garage doors! Sam. Benjamin Betts wrote: >From: "Tim Sinks" > > >>The holes are everywhere on the >>PC's because of the backward compatibility and the ties created for the >> >> >DOS > > >>and Windows. >> >> > >I once excused Bill this way myself, but the more I look into the root of >all the bloody BOs, the more it looks like crapy programming. Take >yesterday's patch for instance. >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/10/2031219&mode=thread&tid=109&tid=126&tid=172&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201 > It's a hole in a lower level component for several of M$s products within >the NT related OSs. This one's purported to be one of the largest holes yet. > >Benjamin Betts >bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu >benjaminbetts@yahoo.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Sinks" >To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:40 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Virus Protection > > > > >>Maybe you don't hate PC's, they are only a machine of limiting >>possibilities. What creates this problem is the old M$ and the original >> >> >set > > >>up of the PC's which is still partly there. CPM, HDos, and others had some >>better beginnings, but IBM bought into Bill. The holes are everywhere on >> >> >the > > >>PC's because of the backward compatibility and the ties created for the >> >> >DOS > > >>and Windows. Trying to do all things for all people leaves a lot of >>openings. >>Say thank you to Bell Labs, DEC, and LT for your current enjoyment. >>By the way, I haven't received many bad emails lately. It was worse >> >> >several > > >>weeks back with the other 2 viruses for numbers. >>Keep looking up, >>Tim Sinks >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve Hanson" >>To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:20 PM >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Virus Protection >> >> >> >> >>>Samuel MacDonald wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>How many MyDoom messages is everyone getting or stopping. >>>>Visi's Postini has stopped at least 10 MyDoom and 1 other virus in the >>>>last 24 hours. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> At work I've been logging between 5000 and 10000 per day - >>>early last week it was 1 in 4 emails. We seem to be down to >>>1 in 10, so the mail servers are not completely creaking >>>under the load any more. >>> >>> >>>I hate PC's. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 11 12:02:56 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <200402110751.i1B7pXG13554@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> <200402110751.i1B7pXG13554@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <402A642F.40406@mn.rr.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >>Ken Fuchs wrote: >> >> > > > >>>Of course, it is the kernel that is communicating the error to us. It >>>could be the kernel and not a media error at all. >>> >>> > > > >>>Does the system boot after doing the fsck, mount and backup? >>> >>> > >Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > >>no - I can boot from Gentoo live CD, mount everything in the part table >>and chroot into the system - I'm doing a backup now - but letting it >>boot by itself - I get the same errors . >> >> > >Doing a chroot to the "/dev/hda3" mount-point is a good test, but there >could still be problems with the hard drive. > >Can you boot using a "rescue" kernel and root=/dev/hda3 option via the >Gentoo live CD? This will cause all the boot processes to be loaded >from the hard drive rather than the CD and thus exercise the hard drive >more and be more likely to detect problems with the hard drive. > > > No rescue option - how ever - I have tried playing with the device size and the fs size - shrinking both in hopes of moving the bad sectors or parts of the disk off the mount. I was able to shrink the reiserfs using resie_reiserfs and then using cfdisk shrink the device (/dev/hda3) partition size. Upon reboot it was chugging along just great until it hit the : * Calculating module dependencies.... It hung there for a long time, and then craps out with : Kernel bug at sched.c:1265! .... bunch of stack and call trace junk..... <0> Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! In interrupt handler - not syncing I get the same kernel bug message (but different line number) when booting off the live cd, then mounting, chrooting and doind an emerge sync ( I was going to recompile the kernel - but then remembered I saved off two ro three good enough kernels) - if I boot from one of my older kernels I get the same bug at sched error after a long "hang " at Calculating module dependencies.... Maybe of note: I usually always compile stuff in my kernel and weed out the junk using make menuconfig - I believe I have no modules built for anything - all compiled in.... > >The main difference between booting from the live CD and the hard drive >is where the kernel (and initrd, if any) is loaded from: > >Booting from the live CD, the kernel and initrd is loaded from the live >CD. The boot processes are also loaded from the CD, unless the >root=/dev/hda3 option is passed to the kernel. > >Booting from the hard drive, the kernel and initrd is loaded from the >hard drive. The boot processes are also loaded from the hard drive. > >It appears that either the kernel or initrd (if any) on /dev/hda1 >is corrupt and needs to be replaced. The kernel and initrd (if any) on >the Gentoo live CD will probably work fine with root=/dev/hda3. > > > As mentioned above there was no "rescue option" but I was able to boot using "gentoo root=/dev/hda3" from the boot prompt.... it hangs at: INIT: Entering runlevel: 3 >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Feb 11 13:04:33 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH upgrade and H.323 in newer kernels Message-ID: <00c101c3f0d0$f5808410$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 11 13:08:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <402A642F.40406@mn.rr.com> References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> <200402110751.i1B7pXG13554@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402A642F.40406@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <402A7D02.30204@visi.com> I did some research and contacted Johnny off list. These are older machines the IDE controlers are early ATA 66 Not all ATA 66 controllers can be used with the big new drives. They may work for a while, not at all, or only see part of the drive. I'm not going to tell anyone to "read the man page" on these machines. Compaq says they had some problems with "Seagate" drives up to 17 GB This was an LBA problem with the disk controller. A patch is available. The largest drive Compaq tested in these machines were ATA 66, 22GB drives I've worked with Compaq PC's and Servers for 15 years, a 30-36 GB drive is about all these machine can handle on the ATA 66 controller. Or any ATA 66 controller unless it's really new. This is a 3 drive system IDE channel 0 ATA 33 3 GB drive as hda CD ROM IDE channel 1 160 GB ATA 66/100/133 drive hdb First rule run all hard drives on the first channel and CD ROMs on the second channel in multi-hard disk machines. Second rule don't mix ATA 33 with ATA 66/100/133 Not that it can't be done but the slowest device sets the pace, so that fast new drive runs at ATA 33. Third rule Some manufactures of hard drives have software tools, you can use to set the speed of the drive, to the speed of the controller, or the slowest drive on the system. They warn that using the software can cause the drive to fail. Fourth rule LBA is not LBA for all drives on the system, when they are different standards ATA 33, ATA 66, ATA 100/133 are all different standards. Sam's rule Just because you can doesn't mean you should ;c) Best case senerio for the new big drive... Get an ATA 66/100/133 controller Attach the ATA 66/100/133, 160GB disk to the first channel Attach the CD ROM to the second channel Eliminate the ATA 33 hard drive it's to slow Disable the on board IDE controler. Install Gentoo and be happy Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Wed Feb 11 14:36:39 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. Thanks. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNA http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:34 AM To: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday There will be a beer meeting on this coming up Friday at the HarMar Old Chicago Check the beer meeting page for more details Friday, February 13, 2004 6pm - 8:00pm 110 different beers from around the world, good food, something for everyone all ages are welcome, bring a friend, spouse, co-worker, neighbor, /etc I currently do not have a tux to put out to help people find the group so if someone has one please bring it. I will have some sort of sign out displaying the TCLUGness of the table and I hear there is an available wifi access point so for those of us who need to mainline their internet access feel free to bring what ever wifi devices you need :) Dan Lansing Beer Admin of the Hour _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Feb 11 14:51:15 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/11/04 2:27 PM, "Daniel Rysztak" wrote: > Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just > moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. HarMar Mall is on Snelling Ave. about 1 mi. south of Hwy. 36 in Roseville. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Feb 11 14:56:28 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HarMar Mall, Snelling Ave, South of Hwy 36 in Roseville. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel > Rysztak Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:28 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday > > > Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... > HarMar? I just moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. > Hope someone can help me out. Thanks. > > ============================ > Daniel Rysztak, CCNA > http://www.druids-grove.net/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Lansing, > Dan > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:34 AM > To: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday > > > There will be a beer meeting on this coming up Friday at the > HarMar Old Chicago Check the beer meeting page for more details > > Friday, February 13, 2004 > 6pm - 8:00pm > 110 different beers from around the world, good food, > something for everyone > > all ages are welcome, bring a friend, spouse, co-worker, > neighbor, /etc > > I currently do not have a tux to put out to help people find > the group so if someone has one please bring it. I will have > some sort of sign out displaying the TCLUGness of the table > and I hear there is an available wifi access point so for > those of us who need to mainline their internet access feel > free to bring what ever wifi devices you need :) > > Dan Lansing > Beer Admin of the Hour > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce > mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQCqVedRLIBm9yjm3EQJ/fQCgwJOtpNviwMoCyRwDB4zqGDeAbSMAoI48 jxVGNJBoc0QGuR5RCgo+dqVM =uTtU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Wed Feb 11 15:24:42 2004 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH upgrade and H.323 in newer kernels In-Reply-To: <00c101c3f0d0$f5808410$0201a8c0@office> References: <00c101c3f0d0$f5808410$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <402A9AE8.4060807@bitstream.net> Randy Clarksean wrote: > For a newer version of RH ... will my iptables firewall come across > without any trouble? > > Does anyone know if the H.323 issue has been addressed anywhere along > the line - other than with a gatekeeper type approach? I would like > to enhance my video conferencing capabilities at some point without > spending a ton of time troubleshooting an install (wastes my time and > someone else's time to work through fixes). Your iptables rules should come across just fine. Either copy your existing script to the new box or copy the output of the iptables-save command to the new machine. The only thing that might bite you in the ass is if the interfaces on the new box are on different networks than the old (ex: eth0 is now the public interface and it used to be the internal/private). Looks like there's a patch available for H.323 support at http://www.netfilter.org/patch-o-matic/pom-extra.html#pom-extra-h323-conntrack-nat. Hope that helps. -- Chad Juettner chad@bitstream.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Feb 11 15:34:37 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH upgrade and H.323 in newer kernels References: <00c101c3f0d0$f5808410$0201a8c0@office> <402A9AE8.4060807@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <013d01c3f0e5$9908e5a0$0201a8c0@office> Actually ... I am sticking with the same hardware .. just upgrading the software. So ... I can back up things easily to another Linux box on the network .. but I was actually hoping (risky) to just do the upgrade and not do the backup (lazy) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Juettner" To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH upgrade and H.323 in newer kernels > Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > For a newer version of RH ... will my iptables firewall come across > > without any trouble? > > > > Does anyone know if the H.323 issue has been addressed anywhere along > > the line - other than with a gatekeeper type approach? I would like > > to enhance my video conferencing capabilities at some point without > > spending a ton of time troubleshooting an install (wastes my time and > > someone else's time to work through fixes). > > Your iptables rules should come across just fine. Either copy your > existing script to the new box or copy the output of the iptables-save > command to the new machine. The only thing that might bite you in the > ass is if the interfaces on the new box are on different networks than > the old (ex: eth0 is now the public interface and it used to be the > internal/private). > > Looks like there's a patch available for H.323 support at > http://www.netfilter.org/patch-o-matic/pom-extra.html#pom-extra-h323-conntrack-nat. > > Hope that helps. > > -- > Chad Juettner > chad@bitstream.net > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Feb 11 18:51:16 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? Message-ID: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I'm using IMAP (uw-imapd) on my Debian box for squirrelmail. I'd like to set it up for my OutHouse users to connect, but I'd rather have them use SSL than plaintext IMAP. According to netstat it's listening on 143 (plaintext I think?) but not on the secure port (953 is it?). How can I configure it to accept SSL connections? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 19:22:42 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: FYI, this one has WiFi by SurfThing, but it's weak on the far sides of the dining room away from the bar area - I think that's because of the partition. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:34 AM > To: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday > > > There will be a beer meeting on this coming up Friday at the HarMar Old Chicago > Check the beer meeting page for more details > > Friday, February 13, 2004 > 6pm - 8:00pm > 110 different beers from around the world, good food, something for everyone > > all ages are welcome, bring a friend, spouse, co-worker, neighbor, /etc > > I currently do not have a tux to put out to help people find the group so if someone has one please bring it. I will have > some sort of sign out displaying the TCLUGness of the table and I hear there is an available wifi access point so for > those of us who need to mainline their internet access feel free to bring what ever wifi devices you need :) > > Dan Lansing > Beer Admin of the Hour _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Feb 11 20:30:24 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1076556099.402af143edad3@joshwelch.com> Quoting Brian : > I'm using IMAP (uw-imapd) on my Debian box for squirrelmail. I'd like to > set it up for my OutHouse users to connect, but I'd rather have them use > SSL than plaintext IMAP. According to netstat it's listening on 143 > (plaintext I think?) but not on the secure port (953 is it?). How can I > configure it to accept SSL connections? > > -Brian > Should just be a matter of configuring xinetd or inetd to enable imaps, there is a imaps file in my xinetd.d directory to this effect: service imaps { socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/imapd log_on_success += HOST DURATION log_on_failure += HOST disable = no } This is a RedHat box, so YMMV, but the idea should be the same. Thanks, Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Feb 11 21:27:03 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <004c01c3f116$eaae93b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Brian writes: > I'm using IMAP (uw-imapd) on my Debian box for squirrelmail. I'd > like to set it up for my OutHouse users to connect, but I'd rather > have them use SSL than plaintext IMAP. According to netstat it's > listening on 143 (plaintext I think?) but not on the secure port (953 > is it?). How can I configure it to accept SSL connections? Use stunnel. Also, I highly recommend Binc IMAP: http://www.bincimap.org/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Feb 11 21:43:49 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: <1076556099.402af143edad3@joshwelch.com> References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1076556099.402af143edad3@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <3780.68.112.123.230.1076556322.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Should just be a matter of configuring xinetd or inetd to enable imaps, Debian uses inetd. Simple as that, thanks a ton! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 11 21:52:19 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: <004c01c3f116$eaae93b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <004c01c3f116$eaae93b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, David Phillips wrote: > Use stunnel. Also, I highly recommend Binc IMAP: uw has built-in SSL. You need to build it with support fot that. It will then make a simapd binary. That runs on port 993. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Feb 11 23:08:14 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hda problems after system freeze In-Reply-To: <402A642F.40406@mn.rr.com> (message from JohnnyFulcrum on Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:19:43 -0600) References: <4027C52E.5070105@mn.rr.com> <200402092124.i19LOBo28829@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402805E9.7060706@mn.rr.com> <200402100612.i1A6CdU01043@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402903CA.7010008@mn.rr.com> <200402110751.i1B7pXG13554@ecstasy.winternet.com> <402A642F.40406@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <200402120510.i1C5AvC26538@ecstasy.winternet.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >No rescue option - how ever - I have tried playing with the device size >and the fs size - shrinking both in hopes of moving the bad sectors or >parts of the disk off the mount. I was able to shrink the reiserfs >using resize_reiserfs and then using cfdisk shrink the device (/dev/hda3) >partition size. If there is another partition large enough, one could copy the filesystem in /dev/hda3 there and specify a new root. >As mentioned above there was no "rescue option" but I was able to boot >using "gentoo root=/dev/hda3" from the boot prompt.... it hangs at: "gentoo root=/dev/hda3" is essentially what I meant by "rescue option". Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Thu Feb 12 08:16:00 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: > Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just > moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. > Thanks. Daniel, Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the first indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to the West) is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I believe). Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever built. Historic "Downtown" Roseville. -- jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 12 08:50:11 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> Roseville is also home to the first people in the state to own automobiles, hence the 15 mph blue-hairs :) I didn't know HarMar was the 1st indoor mall. I used to work there (Har Mar Rat Shack! Many years ago now.) I can't believe they didn't play that up all over the place, considering how badly the mall seems to be doing. For as long as I can remember going to Har Mar, I remember "Biji's Imports", and they were always having a going out of business sale. This went on for many years, so I assumed it was just a marketing thing. Then a few years ago I noticed that they really had gone out of business :( My family used to go out to dinner to "The Professor's" in HarMar. It was a great place, but they went out of business 10+ years ago (it was by the North/Cty B entrance). Biji's: Out of business (finally) The Professor's: Out of business Petters: Out of business The A&W hot dog stand: Out of business Many more that I am too young to remember... Out of business "Har Mar FrankenMall eat your puny business and pick it's teeth with the bones of your children! The streets will flow with the debt of the broken and fallen proprietors!" This mall needs more cowbell. On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 08:08, John Ford wrote: > Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: > > > Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just > > moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. > > Thanks. > > Daniel, > > Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the first > indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to the West) > is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I believe). > Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever built. > > Historic "Downtown" Roseville. > -- > jcf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Thu Feb 12 08:57:29 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ford Sent: 2/12/2004 7:08:09 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday > Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: > > > Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just > > moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. > > Thanks. > > Daniel, > > Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the first > indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to the West) > is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I believe). > Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever built. > > Historic "Downtown" Roseville. > -- > jcf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I'd always heard that the first indoor shopping mall was Southdale in Edina. Google seems to agree: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22first+indoor+shopping+mall%22&btnG=Google+Search _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:07:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> No HarMar was not! The first enclosed mall called Southdale opened in Edina, Minnesota (near Minneapolis) in 1956. Sam. John Ford wrote: > Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: > >> Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? >> I just >> moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. >> Thanks. > > > Daniel, > > Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the > first indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to > the West) is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I > believe). Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever > built. > > Historic "Downtown" Roseville. > -- > jcf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:07:54 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try Message-ID: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Have I tried Gentoo for the last time? I've followed the instructions to the letter I've used the "printed" instructions as a check list to install I've used both Grub and Lilo as the boot loader Lilo is the present boot loader I get the same results with either boot loader Reboot, Reboot, Reboot I've booted with the CD to look at the files to see if I fat fingered nope... I've looked at lilo.conf and fstab I've changed settings of the both and put them back nothing wrong... according to the instructions I just can't figure out what I've done that prevents this from working. I want this to work but it's now become a joke that it doesn't work I've installed from scratch 5 times and I get the same results every time. I know your all thinking "what's he doing wrong, the dope!" I've followed the instructions from the Gentoo website to the letter. The only thing I can think of that may be causing this, is that I used dban to wipe this disk before I started. Sam. IMHO I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine by this time. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:12:33 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> Message-ID: <402B9798.2010900@visi.com> If I'm not mistake the first McDonald's to open in Minnesota was in ST. Louis Park, on Lake Street, near the High School. Sam. Having trouble tracking down this one... :-D Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > No HarMar was not! > The first enclosed mall called Southdale opened in Edina, Minnesota > (near Minneapolis) in 1956. > > Sam. > > > John Ford wrote: > >> Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: >> >>> Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... >>> HarMar? I just >>> moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. >>> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Daniel, >> >> Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the >> first indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to >> the West) is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I >> believe). Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever >> built. >> >> Historic "Downtown" Roseville. >> -- >> jcf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 12 09:22:26 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> Adam Maloney wrote: > Roseville is also home to the first people in the state to own > automobiles, hence the 15 mph blue-hairs :) > > I didn't know HarMar was the 1st indoor mall. I used to work there (Har > Mar Rat Shack! Many years ago now.) I can't believe they didn't play > that up all over the place, considering how badly the mall seems to be > doing. > > For as long as I can remember going to Har Mar, I remember "Biji's > Imports", and they were always having a going out of business sale. > This went on for many years, so I assumed it was just a marketing > thing. Then a few years ago I noticed that they really had gone out of > business :( > > My family used to go out to dinner to "The Professor's" in HarMar. It > was a great place, but they went out of business 10+ years ago (it was > by the North/Cty B entrance). The Professor's! Oh no, no, no, no! You are talking about Farrel's! I've eaten (with a lot of help) many a "Gastronomical, Delicatessen, Epicureans, Delighttttt..." there, not to mention the Lalapalooza (are you going to eat that or climb it?). Of course they disappeared from that location sometime in the 70's or 80's... They just don't do nostalgia like they used to... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:29:10 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: > > Biji's: Out of business (finally) > The Professor's: Out of business > Petters: Out of business > The A&W hot dog stand: Out of business > Many more that I am too young to remember... Out of business > Forgot about Woodcraft Hobbies northern branch store....enjoyed it immensely and it is also gone...along with half the hobby shops in town formerly..... :-( Craig LeVay Happy RH8 user....on a desktop standalone to boot...... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 12 09:31:12 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> <402B9798.2010900@visi.com> Message-ID: <402B9B49.3030009@structural-wood.com> The first McDonalds I ever went to was across from Har Mar mall... We packed up the old estate wagon and we all had a 'Full meal with change from a buck' (well, probably 7 bucks). Samuel MacDonald wrote: > If I'm not mistake the first McDonald's to open in Minnesota was in ST. > Louis Park, on Lake Street, near the High School. > Sam. > > Having trouble tracking down this one... :-D > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> No HarMar was not! >> The first enclosed mall called Southdale opened in Edina, Minnesota >> (near Minneapolis) in 1956. >> >> Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:38:45 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: <402B9E2C.9020102@visi.com> I haven't been following this thread so forgive me if this has already been mentioned. I had a similar problem with a Redhat install on an old HP Omnibook 800. The problem turned out to be that the defaults for the kernel I built was using features that weren't available on a P-166. Once I changed the target CPU and rebuilt the kernel everything was fine. I also seem to recall hearing about someone having a similar type of issue that was wrapped up in support for hyperthreaded CPUs if you're on the other side of the tech frontier. --rick Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Have I tried Gentoo for the last time? > > I've followed the instructions to the letter > I've used the "printed" instructions as a check list to install > I've used both Grub and Lilo as the boot loader > Lilo is the present boot loader > > I get the same results with either boot loader > Reboot, Reboot, Reboot > > I've booted with the CD to look at the files to see if I fat fingered > nope... > I've looked at lilo.conf and fstab > I've changed settings of the both and put them back > nothing wrong... according to the instructions > > I just can't figure out what I've done that prevents this from working. > I want this to work but it's now become a joke that it doesn't work > I've installed from scratch 5 times and I get the same results every > time. > > I know your all thinking "what's he doing wrong, the dope!" I've > followed > the instructions from the Gentoo website to the letter. > > The only thing I can think of that may be causing this, is that I used > dban to > wipe this disk before I started. > > Sam. > > IMHO > I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine > by this time. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Thu Feb 12 09:40:57 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: <2287.216.70.45.162.1076600236.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> Don't feel too bad, I could never get Gentoo to run either. So I stopped trying. -Erik > Have I tried Gentoo for the last time? > > I've followed the instructions to the letter > I've used the "printed" instructions as a check list to install > I've used both Grub and Lilo as the boot loader > Lilo is the present boot loader > > I get the same results with either boot loader > Reboot, Reboot, Reboot > > I've booted with the CD to look at the files to see if I fat fingered > nope... > I've looked at lilo.conf and fstab > I've changed settings of the both and put them back > nothing wrong... according to the instructions > > I just can't figure out what I've done that prevents this from working. > I want this to work but it's now become a joke that it doesn't work I've > installed from scratch 5 times and I get the same results every time. > > I know your all thinking "what's he doing wrong, the dope!" I've > followed the instructions from the Gentoo website to the letter. > > The only thing I can think of that may be causing this, is that I used > dban to > wipe this disk before I started. > > Sam. > > IMHO > I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine > by this time. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Feb 12 09:49:37 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20040212153839.GA23156@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:14:42AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > The Professor's! Oh no, no, no, no! You are talking about Farrel's! Yep, with the big jars of candy at the front of the store. Once wheedled Mom into buying me a jawbreaker the size of my fist. Long before Barnes & Noble built that superstore. Used to go to "Circus" there to play video games. Even went to Romeo Salsa's Bistro once... > I've eaten (with a lot of help) many a "Gastronomical, Delicatessen, > Epicureans, Delighttttt..." there, not to mention the Lalapalooza (are > you going to eat that or climb it?). I thought that was at Bridgemann's, on Lexington and B? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Feb 12 09:56:00 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: <1076600707.402b9f836fb31@mail.bitstream.net> Well, it's not like Gentoo is one of the "easy" distributions. It's more like the tricked out Corvette with a custom built engine of distros. > IMHO > I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine > by this time. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 09:56:43 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <402B9EB0.8040609@visi.com> I think the Scout Shop has moved as well. Hobbie shop in Hopkins is still open. Sam. Craig LeVay wrote: >>Biji's: Out of business (finally) >>The Professor's: Out of business >>Petters: Out of business >>The A&W hot dog stand: Out of business >>Many more that I am too young to remember... Out of business >> >> >> > >Forgot about Woodcraft Hobbies northern branch store....enjoyed it >immensely and it is also gone...along with half the hobby shops in town >formerly..... :-( > >Craig LeVay >Happy RH8 user....on a desktop standalone to boot...... > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Feb 12 09:58:07 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: First MN McD's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.shingobee.com/html/ex_rs1.html They claim to have tore down the first and rebuilt it. They have nice pictures of before and after, and it certainly COULD be Roseville, but they don't say for sure. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Feb 12 09:59:33 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > No HarMar was not! > The first enclosed mall called Southdale opened in Edina, Minnesota > (near Minneapolis) in 1956. If you hadn't made that correction, I would have. While Googling for verification, I stumbled across some rather ridiculous claims that the first indoor mall was other places, like Sunnyvale, CA, or *snerk* Dallas, TX (in 1965!?). Sorry, but neither place has the incentive we do to have our shopping protected from the elements. ;) This is the way we check our facts, check our facts, check our facts... Jima Although there is some muttering about "The Arcade" in Cleveland... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 12 10:01:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <1076601009.6410.32.camel@unixws1> It was The Professor's when I went - probably late 1980's or early 1990's. I distinctly remember the sign and logo. And the joint was very dark and "English", like a pub. I was pretty young though, so I only vaguely remember it. But I confirmed with another family member that it was indeed The Professor's when we went, probably after Farrel's. I think Buffalo Wild Wings occupies that space now. It may have been vacant for awhile, I don't recall if anything was in there before Wild Wing's. If I don't make it to Old Chicago tomorrow - someone have a pint of Harp's for me (and Carl!) The Boddington's Ale was also very good, but they may not have it anymore. Also check out Moose Drool (good micro brew). So many choices... Adam Completed the Old Chicago Irish Beer Mini-Tour. In 1 night. In pints. And more than 1 pint of the ones I liked > The Professor's! Oh no, no, no, no! You are talking about Farrel's! > > I've eaten (with a lot of help) many a "Gastronomical, Delicatessen, > Epicureans, Delighttttt..." there, not to mention the Lalapalooza > (are you going to eat that or climb it?). > > Of course they disappeared from that location sometime in the 70's or > 80's... > > They just don't do nostalgia like they used to... > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 12 10:11:12 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Brian wrote: > I'm using IMAP (uw-imapd) on my Debian box for squirrelmail. I'd like > to set it up for my OutHouse users to connect, but I'd rather have them > use SSL than plaintext IMAP. According to netstat it's listening on 143 > (plaintext I think?) but not on the secure port (953 is it?). How can I > configure it to accept SSL connections? Debian stable, unstable, or what? IIRC, testing and above will automatically configure SSL for you, assuming you have openssl and all that stuff installed. Basically, just have to drop a certificate in as /etc/ssl/certs/imapd.pem, and enable the additional services in inetd/xinetd. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Feb 12 10:30:56 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: References: <402B9409.8060002@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040212161106.GB14343@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:44:19AM -0600, Jima wrote: > If you hadn't made that correction, I would have. While Googling for > verification, I stumbled across some rather ridiculous claims that the > first indoor mall was other places, like Sunnyvale, CA, or *snerk* Dallas, > TX (in 1965!?). Sorry, but neither place has the incentive we do to have > our shopping protected from the elements. ;) While Texans weren't dumb enough to move into an environment that requires almost year-round protection from the freezing cold, we do have something called heat that would be an incentive to have an indoor mall =) (Although, we're not so lazy that we can't walk around outside ;) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 12 10:40:45 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3250.156.99.116.45.1076603476.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Debian stable, unstable, or what? the box is unstable, but IMPA is installed out of stable. Reason being, the unstable version is SSL ONLY, which makes Squirrelmail freak out. > IIRC, testing and above will automatically configure SSL for you, assuming > you have openssl and all that stuff installed. Basically, just have to > drop a certificate in as /etc/ssl/certs/imapd.pem, and enable the > additional services in inetd/xinetd. Maybe I should just get Squirrelmail working with SSL IMAP, huh? :-) -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 10:44:14 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <1076601009.6410.32.camel@unixws1> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> <1076601009.6410.32.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <402BAD19.9080001@visi.com> Mmmmmm... Boddington's Ale Even in the can Boddington's Ale is good. If Harp is heaven then Guinness is god ;-) Try a Samuel Smith's products The Nut Brown Ale is so good you will want to keep the bottles! The Imperial Stout, you can stand a knife in a pint of Imperial Stout, well almost. It's 7% by volume, careful with Imperial Stout :-P Sam. Adam Maloney wrote: >It was The Professor's when I went - probably late 1980's or early >1990's. I distinctly remember the sign and logo. And the joint was >very dark and "English", like a pub. I was pretty young though, so I >only vaguely remember it. But I confirmed with another family member >that it was indeed The Professor's when we went, probably after >Farrel's. > >I think Buffalo Wild Wings occupies that space now. It may have been >vacant for awhile, I don't recall if anything was in there before Wild >Wing's. > >If I don't make it to Old Chicago tomorrow - someone have a pint of >Harp's for me (and Carl!) The Boddington's Ale was also very good, but >they may not have it anymore. Also check out Moose Drool (good micro >brew). So many choices... > >Adam >Completed the Old Chicago Irish Beer Mini-Tour. >In 1 night. >In pints. >And more than 1 pint of the ones I liked > > > > >>The Professor's! Oh no, no, no, no! You are talking about Farrel's! >> >>I've eaten (with a lot of help) many a "Gastronomical, Delicatessen, >>Epicureans, Delighttttt..." there, not to mention the Lalapalooza >>(are you going to eat that or climb it?). >> >>Of course they disappeared from that location sometime in the 70's or >>80's... >> >>They just don't do nostalgia like they used to... >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Thu Feb 12 10:50:34 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <20040212161106.GB14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Doesn't the fact that you are on the TCLUG list suggest you live in Minnesota? If so, I guess Texans ARE dumb enough to move to an environment requiring near year-round protection from the cold. ;-) ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNA http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:11 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:44:19AM -0600, Jima wrote: > If you hadn't made that correction, I would have. While Googling for > verification, I stumbled across some rather ridiculous claims that the > first indoor mall was other places, like Sunnyvale, CA, or *snerk* Dallas, > TX (in 1965!?). Sorry, but neither place has the incentive we do to have > our shopping protected from the elements. ;) While Texans weren't dumb enough to move into an environment that requires almost year-round protection from the freezing cold, we do have something called heat that would be an incentive to have an indoor mall =) (Although, we're not so lazy that we can't walk around outside ;) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Feb 12 11:10:55 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: References: <20040212161106.GB14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040212165935.GC14343@techmonkeys.org> I got stuck in the tar pit. =) On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:47:41AM -0600, Daniel Rysztak wrote: > Doesn't the fact that you are on the TCLUG list suggest you live in > Minnesota? If so, I guess Texans ARE dumb enough to move to an environment > requiring near year-round protection from the cold. ;-) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 12 11:20:53 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL IMAP? In-Reply-To: <3250.156.99.116.45.1076603476.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1557.68.112.123.230.1076546638.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <3250.156.99.116.45.1076603476.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Brian wrote: > the box is unstable, but IMPA is installed out of stable. Reason being, > the unstable version is SSL ONLY, which makes Squirrelmail freak out. IIRC, you can edit a file in /etc to enable non-ssl access again. It's an unsupported hack (according to the uw-imap authors), but works rather well (and is why it's included in Debian). You can also reconfigure the daemon to drop users into ~/mail and such by default in that file. > Maybe I should just get Squirrelmail working with SSL IMAP, huh? :-) Yeah, that'd be best. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Feb 12 11:23:25 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Re: [TCLUG] February TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20040205182212.C19801@thinkunix.net> References: <20040205205628.GB27672@fandre.com> <20040205182212.C19801@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040212110656.764243fe.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:22:12 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > This Sat, Feb 7 marks exactly 6 years since our first TCLUG meeting. > http://lwn.net/1998/0212/a/lugmsp.html > > Wish I would have thought of it sooner. Would have been cool to > have a history of the group over time. Wow, that's pretty cool! Come to think of it, this month marks 4 years for me that I've been using Linux. Though, the last year and a half have been the most knowledgable ones in terms of gaining experience. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 12 11:30:59 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: First MN McD's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040212110959.A18014@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:50:46AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > http://www.shingobee.com/html/ex_rs1.html > > They claim to have tore down the first and rebuilt it. They have nice > pictures of before and after, and it certainly COULD be Roseville, but > they don't say for sure. Yeah, that looks like the Roseville McDonalds. They did tear that one down and rebuild it a few years ago. I was living nearby at the time, and I had to travel much further to get my grease fix. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 12 11:33:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402BAD19.9080001@visi.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> <1076601009.6410.32.camel@unixws1> <402BAD19.9080001@visi.com> Message-ID: <1076606283.6410.53.camel@unixws1> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 10:43, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Mmmmmm... Boddington's Ale > Even in the can Boddington's Ale is good. > Wow did I parse that wrong the first time I read it! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Feb 12 12:05:51 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: Also, to those of you who have given up on gentoo due to install problems, KEEP TRYING! It took me a few tries before I got it running properly also, but I can pretty much do it in my sleep now. I've found gentoo to be the easiest to maintain, the most up-to-date, and just the best all around distro I've come across. I recommend it... especially since everyone is getting rid of redhat now. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Feb 12 12:15:48 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: I use gentoo linux and love it. Ok, for starters, the best place to search for help on gentoo or to post is http://forums.gentoo.org That forum has saved a lot of headaches for me. I'm going to need some info on what is going on to try and solve your problem. 1. Which arch are you using? x86? 2. Which install doc? I prefer the "older installation guides" which are arch specific. 3. Are you using genkernel or did you compile the kernel yourself? If you used genkernel, then you need to put something completely different in your grub.conf than with self-compilation. Also, paste some of your config file settings in too, like the grub.conf file, /etc/fstab file, and anything else you think might be useful. All my emails have to get approved before sent right now and take a day or so to get through, so if you want to email me directly go ahead. josh_close@juno.com Also, take a look at http://forums.gentoo.org -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Feb 12 12:22:14 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems using XDMCP from Cygwin Message-ID: <402BBD99.5060602@lorenburlingame.com> I am sure I am missing something obvious here but have been going around and around trying to figure out what exactly is wrong. I have scoured the 'net looking for help to no avail. Anyhoo, here is the problem: I am using KDM on Gentoo and have enabled XDMCP by adding [Xdmcp] Enable=true Willing=/etc/X11/xdm/Xwilling Xaccess=/etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess Port=177 to kdmrc and can get the kdm login screen via XWin.exe on Cygwin However, no matter what session I select (tried windowmaker, kde and blackbox) the session "hangs" and the kdm.log file shows the following: Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "10.20.40.84:0.0". Failed to get list of devices I guess I am still not even certain if this is a Cygwin problem or a server side configuration problem. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Feb 12 12:23:25 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get cursor to move back one char on command line In-Reply-To: <007701c3f052$f2f9fd80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: Thanks David, that works great. That's exactly what I was looking for. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Thu Feb 12 12:27:34 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402BC45E.8060606@DawnAndJohn.net> Jonathon Jongsma said the following on 2/12/2004 8:55 AM: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Ford > Sent: 2/12/2004 7:08:09 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday > > >>Daniel Rysztak said the following on 2/11/2004 2:27 PM: >> >> >>>Forgive me for not being completely up to snuff on areas... HarMar? I just >>>moved up to the Twin Cities last summer. Hope someone can help me out. >>>Thanks. >> >>Daniel, >> >>Others gave the location -- I'll just mention that Har-Mar was the first >>indoor shopping mall in the US, IIRC. Just across Snelling (to the West) >>is the first McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota (1957, I believe). >>Across Cty Rd B to the North is the first Target store ever built. >> >>Historic "Downtown" Roseville. >>-- >>jcf >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > I'd always heard that the first indoor shopping mall was Southdale in Edina. Google seems to agree: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22first+indoor+shopping+mall%22&btnG=Google+Search Jonathon (and others), Thanks for catching my error. Now, of course, I DO remember that it was Southdale. Har Mar wasn't even the second one. -- jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 12:31:54 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try References: Message-ID: <001701c3f193$db8949c0$7301a8c0@hithlum> This was try number 5 and I'm at the end of my rope. I would love to use Gentoo but it needs to work as the documentation says. I haven't varried one micron from the documentation. Any ideas, anyone... anyone... anyone... Sam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Close" To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > Also, to those of you who have given up on gentoo due to install problems, > KEEP TRYING! It took me a few tries before I got it running properly also, > but I can pretty much do it in my sleep now. I've found gentoo to be the > easiest to maintain, the most up-to-date, and just the best all around > distro I've come across. I recommend it... especially since everyone is > getting rid of redhat now. > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Feb 12 12:36:09 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: First MN McD's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, that's Roseville's, and it was just rebuilt last year, I think. John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schumann > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:51 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: First MN McD's > > > http://www.shingobee.com/html/ex_rs1.html > > They claim to have tore down the first and rebuilt it. They have nice > pictures of before and after, and it certainly COULD be > Roseville, but > they don't say for sure. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Feb 12 12:46:26 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current/Former Caldera employees Message-ID: I was going through the tclug-list archives today, looking for some old posts of mine when i came across this: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-November/028426.html Is Ryan still on the list? or anybody else who works for Caldera/SCO? good thing that archive.org does not forget the list of contributions: http://web.archive.org/web/20010418192055/http://www.caldera.com/partners/odn/contrib.html The thing i am wondering about is this: Does SCO now own RPM, Netscape Navigator, WordPerfect and KDE as well? ;) -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Feb 12 12:55:55 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:50:27AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: [snip] > I've found gentoo to be the > easiest to maintain, the most up-to-date, and just the best all around > distro I've come across. In other words, it's the slowest most unstable distro you've ever used, as for being easy to maintain, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on any .deb or .rpm based distro. > I recommend it... especially since everyone is > getting rid of redhat now. Only the lemmings who don't know better. > -Josh -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Feb 12 13:35:52 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual head and wallpapers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040212203918.GA3290@therub.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 01:22:49PM -0600, Dave Dash wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked a lot, but I've been googling for days with > no good answer. > > What do people with dual heads do for wallpapers? I'm using a matrox > g400 with xinerama. digital blasphemy has wallpapers designed for dual monitors.. http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/mpages/2x_1.shtml havn't had the opportunity to run dualies yet, myself (although all I need is a dual link DVI-D cable.. anyone? nanosys is sold out (as of last friday), and i'm not paying a dime more than $20).. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Feb 12 13:38:55 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > In other words, it's the slowest most unstable distro you've ever used, I'll prolly regret this later, but I'll bite. ;-) Gentoo has always been "as stable as you want to make it". I would have had some gripes about the distro a year or two ago but I must say, after using it for a couple of months again, they've come a long way in the last year. They actually maintain a "stable branch" now. I hated recompiling X every other day. Would I use it on a server? Not on your life (I've got better things for my servers to do than compile software) but it's a pretty sweet desktop system. > as for being easy to maintain, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on any > .deb or .rpm based distro. emerge sync && emerge -u world Don't get me wrong, I don't elevate Gentoo above other distros and I rarely recommend it to others(I reserve that honor for Libranet). I just think it's got it's place just like the other several hundred distros out there. The one thing Gentoo did for me was to force me to understand how my system works. The only other distro that did more for me in that respect was LFS. > Only the lemmings who don't know better. I think the installation usually weeds out most of those. -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Feb 12 13:45:44 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B710@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@techmonkeys.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:39 PM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > > > I recommend it... especially since everyone is > > getting rid of redhat now. > > Only the lemmings who don't know better. > C'mon Matthew, tell us how you really feel ;) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Feb 12 13:45:46 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual head and wallpapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Around the office, the people with dual head rigs are the Photoshop gurus, they seem to like making their own. digitalblasphemy.com has some nice dual head wallpapers if you are a member. Otherwise, I've seen different wallpapers on each head. Tis all I know, never had the room to setup a dual monitor rig. =) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Feb 12 13:54:50 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual head and wallpapers Message-ID: I'm sure this has been asked a lot, but I've been googling for days with no good answer. What do people with dual heads do for wallpapers? I'm using a matrox g400 with xinerama. -dd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Feb 12 13:56:43 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B70F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Sam, we've had trouble installing even Windows on a dbanned hard drive. The solution has been to start a Redhat install up to the point of partitioning the disks. Let it write the partition table and format them. At that point feel free to stop the Redhat install and go back to whatever you really want to install. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:13 PM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > > This was try number 5 and I'm at the end of my rope. > I would love to use Gentoo but it needs to work as the > documentation says. I haven't varried one micron from > the documentation. > > Any ideas, anyone... anyone... anyone... > > Sam. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Close" > To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:50 AM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > > > Also, to those of you who have given up on gentoo due to > install problems, > > KEEP TRYING! It took me a few tries before I got it running > properly also, > > but I can pretty much do it in my sleep now. I've found > gentoo to be the > > easiest to maintain, the most up-to-date, and just the best > all around > > distro I've come across. I recommend it... especially since > everyone is > > getting rid of redhat now. > > > > -Josh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Feb 12 14:01:44 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Backup systems In-Reply-To: <4022876D.5070008@igi.com>; from jasonj@igi.com on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 12:11:57PM -0600 References: <001201c3ebf3$fa39d420$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <4022876D.5070008@igi.com> Message-ID: <20040212132756.A17780@real-time.com> On 02/05 12:11 , Jason Jorgensen wrote: > Yea I suggest BackupPC. My install was very very easy compared to Matts > luck. My server was debian and I think I had all the modules it needed > anyway. So I didnt find it too difficult. I would be willing to anyone > set it up if needed. try rsnapshot, if you don't need the fancy web-GUI that BackupPC offers. http://www.rsnapshot.org/ it's a dead-simple drop-in rsync backup script that keeps historical versions of files over a configurable time period. trivial to use, and solves most people's backup needs, with minimal install hassle. Almost no dependencies. Mind you, I use BackupPC as well, and I think that each has its place. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Feb 12 14:04:20 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual head and wallpapers In-Reply-To: <20040212203918.GA3290@therub.org>; from drue@therub.org on Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 02:39:18PM -0600 References: <20040212203918.GA3290@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040212135128.B17780@real-time.com> On 02/12 02:39 , Dan Rue wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 01:22:49PM -0600, Dave Dash wrote: > > I'm sure this has been asked a lot, but I've been googling for days with > > no good answer. > > > > What do people with dual heads do for wallpapers? I'm using a matrox > > g400 with xinerama. > digital blasphemy has wallpapers designed for dual monitors.. > http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/mpages/2x_1.shtml nifty. thanks for the link. I'll have to see how well they scale to my 3 monitors at 4320x1080 http://www.redchrome.org/desk.htm What are people using to set root-window images on multi-monitor setups? ImageMagick is pretty buggy when it comes to multiple heads; it *really* wants to repeat the first display's worth of the image on all three heads. I use Enlightenment as my WM; and it has similar bugs, where if you set the background image to stretch across all heads, it *might* do that, but even if it looks like it worked, you'll find when you move a window, that the portion of the background revealed by removing the window, is the corresponding section of the image on the first head. (So it looks like the image is properly stretched across all 3 heads; but if you move a window away from the center of the middle head, the image displayed in the area where that window used to be, is actually from the middle of the first head). I'm guessing it's an X issue; something to do with not updating the correct buffers. Anyone else seen this? Carl Soderstrom -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 15:08:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B70F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3f1aa$5d7b4580$7301a8c0@hithlum> I knew it had to be something with dban! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > Sam, we've had trouble installing even Windows on a dbanned hard drive. The > solution has been to start a Redhat install up to the point of partitioning > the disks. Let it write the partition table and format them. At that point > feel free to stop the Redhat install and go back to whatever you really want > to install. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:13 PM > > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > > > > > This was try number 5 and I'm at the end of my rope. > > I would love to use Gentoo but it needs to work as the > > documentation says. I haven't varried one micron from > > the documentation. > > > > Any ideas, anyone... anyone... anyone... > > > > Sam. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Josh Close" > > To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:50 AM > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > > > > > > Also, to those of you who have given up on gentoo due to > > install problems, > > > KEEP TRYING! It took me a few tries before I got it running > > properly also, > > > but I can pretty much do it in my sleep now. I've found > > gentoo to be the > > > easiest to maintain, the most up-to-date, and just the best > > all around > > > distro I've come across. I recommend it... especially since > > everyone is > > > getting rid of redhat now. > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 12 15:52:01 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? Message-ID: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- any favs out there? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Feb 12 15:57:17 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? In-Reply-To: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> References: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040212225928.GA7048@therub.org> The only perl book in my opinion: Programming Perl, O'Reilly. dan On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 03:40:20PM -0600, JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed > anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- > > > any favs out there? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 12 16:07:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402BF6F9.5080804@visi.com> X86 the main install doc on the website I'm compiling I'll send whats in the files later I need to fire up DOD and shoot something. Sam. Josh Close wrote: >I use gentoo linux and love it. Ok, for starters, the best place to search >for help on gentoo or to post is http://forums.gentoo.org That forum has >saved a lot of headaches for me. > >I'm going to need some info on what is going on to try and solve your >problem. > >1. Which arch are you using? x86? > >2. Which install doc? I prefer the "older installation guides" which are >arch specific. > >3. Are you using genkernel or did you compile the kernel yourself? > >If you used genkernel, then you need to put something completely different >in your grub.conf than with self-compilation. > >Also, paste some of your config file settings in too, like the grub.conf >file, /etc/fstab file, and anything else you think might be useful. > >All my emails have to get approved before sent right now and take a day or >so to get through, so if you want to email me directly go ahead. >josh_close@juno.com Also, take a look at http://forums.gentoo.org > >-Josh > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Feb 12 16:20:51 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? Message-ID: I enjoyed: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 02/12/04 03:40PM >>> Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- any favs out there? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 12 16:56:25 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? In-Reply-To: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> References: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1076625940.6410.71.camel@unixws1> I agree with Dan that O'Reilly's "Programming Perl" is a must-have. But if you're new to Perl, O'Reilly's "Learning Perl" is also good. I've been doing that Perl thing for quite awhile now, and "Programming Perl" sits on the right-hand corner of my desk. I use it multiple times a week. It is an excellent reference. Also see www.perldoc.com for reference, and www.perlmonks.org (com? - been awhile...) for "how would you do..." questions. or comp.lang.perl. On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 15:40, JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed > anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- > > > any favs out there? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Feb 12 17:21:11 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B710@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B710@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20040212230759.GE14343@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 01:36:32PM -0600, rware@interplastic.com wrote: > > Only the lemmings who don't know better. > > > > C'mon Matthew, tell us how you really feel ;) I should clarify, I was referring to the people 'fleeing' from RedHat because they think that it's gone poof. Not the people using Gentoo =) Fedora is an excellent update to RedHat, it's the same people, RH just didn't want to support it anymore. I don't blame them. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Feb 12 17:52:14 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? In-Reply-To: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> References: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1076629200.1361.67.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 15:40, JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed > anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- I'd agree with with Programming Perl as a first choice must have but a very close second IMO is the O'Reilly Perl Cookbook. I actually use the cookbook more than Programming Perl. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Feb 12 21:29:49 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? Message-ID: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just installed fedora on my laptop and want to get my Dwl-650+ wireless card working. I found the tutorial below and can figure everything out except for the info about compiling the kernel. I found a doc dated 2001 that discusses how to do this, but I am not sure how much pertains to the new 2.4.22 kernel. It looks a bit more complex than I have time for right now. Is there an easy way to add the info below to my kernel so I can set up my wireless card? http://www.wickle.com/weblog/index.php?p=49&more=1 CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y Thanks in advance Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fingula at fingusite.com Thu Feb 12 22:26:12 2004 From: fingula at fingusite.com (Alfred O Fingulin/Professional) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076645273.1448.7.camel@localhost> Might I suggest the Perl Pocket Reference? Small, handy; a memory jogger for when the exact keyword or syntax escapes you. That, followed by the Cookbook. On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 18:01, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: [digest snipped by Alfred] Alfred Fingulin Somewhere in Freeborn County fingula@fingusite.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Feb 12 22:34:35 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040213042821.GB23400@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fingula at fingusite.com Thu Feb 12 22:36:15 2004 From: fingula at fingusite.com (Alfred O Fingulin/Professional) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Subject Line Apology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076645451.1443.10.camel@localhost> Sorry about missing the subject line in that post. My bad. Alfred Fingulin Somewhere in Freeborn County fingula@fingusite.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Feb 12 23:26:17 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Favorite perl book? In-Reply-To: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> References: <402BF2C4.30509@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <200402122315.15392.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:40 pm, JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed > anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- > > > any favs out there? Forget perl, just get a Python book! Suggestion: Practical Python. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Feb 13 00:46:17 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f1aa$5d7b4580$7301a8c0@hithlum> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B70F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <000c01c3f1aa$5d7b4580$7301a8c0@hithlum> Message-ID: <20040213031105.GA15725@dad1> Your problem appears to be a bootloading problem. Have you ever had some other linux distro running on this computer? Try some other distro that you can install quickly before trying the distro that takes forever and a day to install. Don't distro's offer to make a boot diskette on install? Make one! Install a minimum set first, no sense loading 5G of software to find that your 800KB kernel and bootloader doesn't work. Or, troubleshoot what the bootloading problem is. Is your kernel loading? No? Why not? Got any spare paritions to play with? Install alternative distro's/kernels? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 13 05:15:12 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: <20040213042821.GB23400@iucha.net> References: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040213042821.GB23400@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1076670463.20689.39.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 13 05:19:17 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1076670381.20689.36.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 13 05:25:52 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFT font system and anti-aliasing In-Reply-To: <40280D34.7080505@structural-wood.com> References: <40280D34.7080505@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <1076670741.20619.43.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Feb 13 08:06:23 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: <1076642550.3105.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > I just installed fedora on my laptop and want to get my Dwl-650+ > wireless card working. Fair enough. > Is there an easy way to add the info below to my kernel so I can set up > my wireless card? Well, let's see. > CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y Enabled in default kernel. > CONFIG_MODULES=y Enabled in default kernel. > CONFIG_KMOD=y Enabled in default kernel. > CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y Enabled in default kernel. Any questions? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Feb 13 08:15:48 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213031105.GA15725@dad1> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B70F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <000c01c3f1aa$5d7b4580$7301a8c0@hithlum> <20040213031105.GA15725@dad1> Message-ID: <20040213141159.GJ6435@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Fri Feb 13 11:44:25 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >In other words, it's the slowest most unstable distro you've ever used, >as for being easy to maintain, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on any >.deb or .rpm based distro. Maybe you should read up on it before you say things like that. Gentoo only releases the stable verions of everything. You can get all the unstable versions of everything if you like though. So it's very stable. Try and do a search for gentoo benchmarks and I think you'll find that gentoo out performs most other distros. The only slow part about gentoo is installation, 'cause everything is done by compiling the source. It's all done with an "emerge" function that downloads the source and compiles it to the specifications you have set in a USE var. I'm sorry, but apt-get isn't the answer all. You have to install the program, then program-devel, then program-snmp, then program-mysql, then program-whatever. It's annoying. It's all a matter of opinion though. How mad would you be if I told you I'm writing this from Win2k Pro, with MS Outlook, sent from MS Exchange? Ha! Everything has it's advantages. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Fri Feb 13 11:47:11 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402B9EB0.8040609@visi.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9EB0.8040609@visi.com> Message-ID: That is Steve's Train City (lotsa used goods and train stuff there) and KDC two blocks away in the basement.....in Hopkins... Craig > > Hobbie shop in Hopkins is still open. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Feb 13 11:53:30 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402D0D97.1030609@andersonfam.org> Josh Close wrote: > I'm sorry, but apt-get isn't the answer all. You have to install the > program, then program-devel, then program-snmp, then program-mysql, then > program-whatever. It's annoying. That's not true. apt solves and installs dependencies, just as emerge does. Don't get me wrong - I've absolutely fallen in love w/ Gentoo - but just giving you a heads up to do your own research before calling others on their lack of research. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Fri Feb 13 12:00:08 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday In-Reply-To: <402BAD19.9080001@visi.com> References: <402B88C9.2010407@DawnAndJohn.net> <1076596547.6410.12.camel@unixws1> <402B9862.3040702@structural-wood.com> <1076601009.6410.32.camel@unixws1> <402BAD19.9080001@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Mmmmmm... Boddington's Ale > Even in the can Boddington's Ale is good. Hmmmm....Boddington's....Manchester....right? Best stuff I "supped" on was Brain's Ale in Cardiff....three pints and you were legless....can't get it over here though...it is real ale and does not travel well.... Craig > > Try a Samuel Smith's products > The Nut Brown Ale is so good you will want to keep the bottles! > The Imperial Stout, you can stand a knife in a pint of Imperial Stout, > well almost. > It's 7% by volume, careful with Imperial Stout :-P Oh, yes, Sam Smith Oatmeal Stout, tooooo....yummm... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Feb 13 12:10:29 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076695144.3313.17.camel@DELL2> > Fair enough. > > > Is there an easy way to add the info below to my kernel so I can set up > > my wireless card? > > Well, let's see. > > > CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y > > Enabled in default kernel. > > > CONFIG_MODULES=y > > Enabled in default kernel. > > > CONFIG_KMOD=y > > Enabled in default kernel. > > > CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y > > Enabled in default kernel. > > Any questions? > > Jima You mean I don't get to spend hour upon hour today trying to learn something new:) Thanks much for the info _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Feb 13 12:12:14 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Close > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:14 PM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try > > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >In other words, it's the slowest most unstable distro you've > ever used, > >as for being easy to maintain, apt-get update && apt-get > upgrade on any > >.deb or .rpm based distro. > > Gentoo only releases the stable verions of everything. You > can get all the unstable versions of everything if you like > though. So it's very stable. It's hard to deny though that (at least during installation) it's much easier to have stability issues in Gentoo than in binary distros. > Try and do a search for gentoo benchmarks and I think you'll > find that gentoo out performs most other distros. > > The only slow part about gentoo is installation, 'cause > everything is done by compiling the source. It's all done > with an "emerge" function that downloads the source and > compiles it to the specifications you have set in a USE var. > > I'm sorry, but apt-get isn't the answer all. You have to > install the program, then program-devel, then program-snmp, > then program-mysql, then program-whatever. It's annoying. I've only just started using Debian through a Knoppix installation to a hard-disk, but apt-get seems fairly nice to work with, almost on-par with portage, the only issue being the same you've mentioned, that it doesn?t always grab pre-reqs. It does seem to get them sometimes though. As much as I love Gentoo and almost rolling my own, (haven't ventured to LFS yet) apt-get is a nice change. At the least, simpler than ports in OpenBSD. Of course, I'm not very experienced yet with apt or ports. > It's all a matter of opinion though. How mad would you be if > I told you I'm writing this from Win2k Pro, with MS Outlook, > sent from MS Exchange? The only way to fly! (/me slits wrist) > Everything has it's advantages. At least I get to use OpenBSD and Linux at work, just not for email/file server stuff. On this note, perhaps fork this to another thread if you can speak to this inquiry: Has anyone used any of the Linux Netware clients recently? Do you know offhand what is or is not compatible? I'll search for in-depth info. later, too busy procrastinating right now. > -Josh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQC0QANRLIBm9yjm3EQIUcACgr4IXp3JOdzcvh26jP16+Zqo12akAoMzP MFxHJNgEAJTSGjhn6cfwd0oe =0DjP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 13 12:24:10 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076696256.4666.8.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Feb 13 12:25:34 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can the complex be made easy? In-Reply-To: <1076695144.3313.17.camel@DELL2> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > You mean I don't get to spend hour upon hour today trying to learn > something new:) Oh, you can, you just don't have to. :) > Thanks much for the info Glad to help. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 13 12:30:48 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 01:13:49PM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >In other words, it's the slowest most unstable distro you've ever used, > >as for being easy to maintain, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on any > >.deb or .rpm based distro. > > Maybe you should read up on it before you say things like that. > I have, I support users to run it, and I've run it myself. > Gentoo only releases the stable verions of everything. You can get all the > unstable versions of everything if you like though. So it's very stable. Untrue. > > Try and do a search for gentoo benchmarks and I think you'll find that > gentoo out performs most other distros. Also untrue, gcc is a very poor optimizing compiler, and produces code that, when optimized, runs much slower in many instances. Try over optimizing the avifile libs sometime. Using Intel's optimized compiler might get you further, but then you have to debug the odd problems that crop up when the programmer was relying on the way gcc does things. Do you really think there's something magical about compiling your own applications that makes them run faster? The same binaries compiled on another system then rolled into a .deb or .rpm will perform exactly the same, barring memory/cpu size/speed differences. gcc does not take into account your specific hardware configuration, nor should it. > The only slow part about gentoo is installation, 'cause everything is done > by compiling the source. It's all done with an "emerge" function that > downloads the source and compiles it to the specifications you have set in a > USE var. A complete waste of time, energy(bio, and electrical) , and CPU. > I'm sorry, but apt-get isn't the answer all. You have to install the > program, then program-devel, then program-snmp, then program-mysql, then > program-whatever. It's annoying. Annoying? I prefer to only install what I need. If I have no wishes to use mysql with 'program' then I don't want program-mysql installed. Same goes for -devel. apt-get install foobar will install program-mysql if foobar needs it, if widgetapp-devel needs foobar-devel, that will also be installed. > It's all a matter of opinion though. How mad would you be if I told you I'm > writing this from Win2k Pro, with MS Outlook, sent from MS Exchange? I'd tell you I already knew that from the headers of your message. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 13 12:50:45 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual head and wallpapers In-Reply-To: <20040212135128.B17780@real-time.com> References: <20040212203918.GA3290@therub.org> <20040212135128.B17780@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1076697621.4666.25.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 13 13:14:09 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B6D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B6D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <1076699457.4666.36.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 13 13:19:57 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia Dual Head In-Reply-To: <1076492133.6649.26.camel@bigtime> References: <1076492133.6649.26.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <1076699036.4666.31.camel@bigtime> > I've been stuck with a single display lately. Right now I'm setting up a > hercules monochrome display alongside my GeForce2 GTS just for kicks... Nope, it doesn't want to work with the GF2 in. It'll boot and work alone, though. But grub doesn't seem to support MDA at all. If a bitmap logo is enabled, (default on fedora) it'll just hang. If you disable the bitmap, it'll work but you won't be able to see anything! I am sad. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 13 13:20:38 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: References: <1075844456.18635.11.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <1076699231.4666.34.camel@bigtime> > Yeah - I had to run at 16 - but then I found I had a bad memroy module - > when the helpdesk guy came by (this is a work computer) he started asking > a LOT of questions about this GX150 with two monitors - "what do you use > that for"? "Does it have 512 Mb ram?" "What's the HD size?" .... "We > sure could use that to give to developers..." > > My heart hit the floor - this was an extra PC I picked up over the years > and had become my work-horse - I use it all the time and Rdesktop to my > windows box to get Lookout mail at what not.... as I was thinking of a > reply of why I should keep it, he says: > > "we have some extra Dell Precision 530 workstations with dual Xeons and 1 > G ram - would you like one of those instead"? > > Fsck yeah! I said. > > the workstation came with a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon > 7000/VE dual head deal.. I've got it working well now. You sir, win at the game of employment! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tlittle at mninter.net Fri Feb 13 14:10:44 2004 From: tlittle at mninter.net (Anthony D. Little) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I successfully burn data DVDs? Message-ID: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been making some data DVD coasters and now I'm looking for help on successfully burning data DVDs. Currently I'm running RedHat 9.0 on an Asus A7V333 motherboard. It has an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor and 512 MB RAM. I bought a Sony DRU-510A DVD/CD Drive. It claims to be able to read/write: DVD+RW 4X, DVD-RW 2X, DVD+R 4X, DVD-R 4X, DVD-ROM 12X CD-RW 16X, CD-R 24X, CD-ROM 32X The Sony drive will mount CD-ROMs with no problem, both the ones I have created and a few that came with various books. I used the following command to create the test data for both the CD burn test and the DVD burn test. mkisofs -R -o pdf.raw /home/tlittle/pdf/ I've had no problem with using the following command to create data CDs using imation CD-R media. cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -isosize pdf.raw It can also burn audio CDs that work in my home stereo and my car stereo. cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -audio song-title.wav I've tried to burn data DVDs using Memorex DVD+R media, imation DVD+R media, and imation DVD-R media. All with no result. dvdrecord --scanbus gives back this result: [root@localhost root]# dvdrecord --scanbus dvdrtools v0.1.3 Portions (c) 2002 Red Hat, Inc. Based on: Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.5' dvdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (schily-RH-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.69-RH-O_EXCL '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.69 02/01/18 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'SONY ' 'DVD RW DRU-510A ' '1.0d' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * [root@localhost root]# dvdrecord gives this result: [root@localhost root]# dvdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -dao pdf.raw dvdrtools v0.1.3 Portions (c) 2002 Red Hat, Inc. Based on: Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '0,0,0' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.5' dvdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (schily-RH-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.69-RH-O_EXCL '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.69 02/01/18 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). atapi: 1 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : Vendor_info : 'SONY ' Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-510A ' Revision : '1.0d' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd). Driver flags : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: PACKET SAO Drive buf size : 4718592 = 4608 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 8 MB Total size: 10 MB (00:59.73) = 4480 sectors Lout start: 10 MB (01:01/55) = 4480 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP start of lead in: -150 (00:00/00) ATIP start of lead out: 157789 (35:05/64) Disk type: unknown Manuf. index: -1 Manufacturer: unknown (not in table) Blocks total: 2295104 Blocks current: 2295104 Blocks remaining: 2290624 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. trackno=0 BURN-Free is ON. Performing OPC... Sending CUE sheet... Starting new track at sector: 4646 Track 01: 0 of 8 MB written.dvdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 00 12 26 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 21 02 00 C0 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x02 (logical block address out of range) [No matching qualifier] Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) error refers to command part, bit ptr 0 (not valid) field ptr 0 cmd finished after 0.005s timeout 200s write track data: error after 0 bytes Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Writing time: 31.057s Fixating... Fixating time: 0.001s dvdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 1 gets. dvdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. [root@localhost root]# The problem seems to start at the line that says: Disk type: unknown When I record data to imation CD-R media that line says: Disk type: Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 355352 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in real TAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Turning BURN-Free off Performing OPC... Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 8 of 8 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 4.6x. Track 01: writing 30 KB of pad data. Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 9175040/9205760 (4495 sectors). Writing time: 25.517s Average write speed 3.5x. Min drive buffer fill was 99% Fixating... Fixating time: 61.905s cdrecord: fifo had 145 puts and 145 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 5 times full, min fill was 84%. [root@localhost root]# I'm still somewhat new to linux so any help would be greatly appreciated. tony little tlittle@mninter.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Fri Feb 13 14:25:39 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: > > Maybe you should read up on it before you say things like that. > > > > I have, I support users to run it, and I've run it myself. > > > Gentoo only releases the stable verions of everything. You > can get all the > > unstable versions of everything if you like though. So it's > very stable. > > Untrue. Well, correct me on this then, I thought gentoo only releases stable versions unless you put USE="~ARCH". > > > > Try and do a search for gentoo benchmarks and I think > you'll find that > > gentoo out performs most other distros. > > Also untrue, gcc is a very poor optimizing compiler, and > produces code that, > when optimized, runs much slower in many instances. Try over > optimizing > the avifile libs sometime. Using Intel's optimized compiler > might get you > further, but then you have to debug the odd problems that > crop up when the programmer > was relying on the way gcc does things. > > Do you really think there's something magical about compiling > your own > applications that makes them run faster? The same binaries > compiled on > another system then rolled into a .deb or .rpm will perform > exactly the same, > barring memory/cpu size/speed differences. gcc does not take > into account your > specific hardware configuration, nor should it. Quick question... what is march for? I don't now if it's program specific, like a ./configure option, or if it's used for the compiler, or whatever. > > The only slow part about gentoo is installation, 'cause > everything is done > > by compiling the source. It's all done with an "emerge" > function that > > downloads the source and compiles it to the specifications > you have set in a > > USE var. > > A complete waste of time, energy(bio, and electrical) , and CPU. Well, if you're in such a hurry, then use windows. Yes if you're using it in a business that needs things done NOW, I can completely understand that. > > > I'm sorry, but apt-get isn't the answer all. You have to install the > > program, then program-devel, then program-snmp, then > program-mysql, then > > program-whatever. It's annoying. > > Annoying? I prefer to only install what I need. If I have no > wishes to use > mysql with 'program' then I don't want program-mysql > installed. Same goes > for -devel. > > apt-get install foobar will install program-mysql if foobar > needs it, if > widgetapp-devel needs foobar-devel, that will also be installed. K, what I'm talking about with that is, with gentoo you only have to install foo once and it will use all the settings in USE instead of installing foo-devel, foo-mysql, etc. Yes, you can install only what you need, that's why you take them out of your USE settings. With .rpm or .deb they are compiled the same way, I know that. But they are precompiled, and you do have to install several of them if you want all the options. For my needs I have to compile many things by hand instead of using a .rpm or .deb. Everything I go by is from experience or reading docs on things. I just find gentoo to be more useful for my needs. Please feel free to correct me on anything. If I'm wrong I'd like to know. Then I'll have learned something! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 13 16:19:19 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> (poptix@techmonkeys.org) References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >Do you really think there's something magical about compiling your own >applications that makes them run faster? The same binaries compiled on >another system then rolled into a .deb or .rpm will perform exactly the same, >barring memory/cpu size/speed differences. gcc does not take into account your >specific hardware configuration, nor should it. Most DEB and RPM files are compiled for the oldest, usually slowest, architecture of an architecture family. For the x86 family, the code in DEB and RPM files may be 386 code which is optimal only for a 80386 CPU. Gentoo compiles code that is optimal for the CPU it is being installed on. Thus compiling all code during an install as Gentoo does can result in a huge performance advantage. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 13 16:40:53 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > > Most DEB and RPM files are compiled for the oldest, usually slowest, > architecture of an architecture family. For the x86 family, the code in > DEB and RPM files may be 386 code which is optimal only for a 80386 > CPU. Gentoo compiles code that is optimal for the CPU it is being > installed on. Thus compiling all code during an install as Gentoo does > can result in a huge performance advantage. not quite, they usually compiled with -mcpu and not with -march -march breaks backwards compatability with older CPUs. While -mcpu keeps compatability at the expense of some optimazations iirc. The other thing that may make a difference is the CHOST setting, PPro and better use "i686-pc-linux-gnu" even athlon. Pentium Classics, K6s, MIIs and the like use "i586-pc-linux-gnu" i am not 100% certain _what_ the difference is. But "i686-..." will not work on "i586-..." so i am guessing it is some sort of optimization. -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 13 17:10:39 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I successfully burn data DVDs? In-Reply-To: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Anthony D. Little wrote: > I used the following command to create the test data for > both the CD burn test and the DVD burn test. > mkisofs -R -o pdf.raw /home/tlittle/pdf/ To burn DVD+RW discs, I've had to use growisofs; couldn't get it to work with cdrecord. I haven't used with DVD+/-R disks yet; not sure if they'd be different. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Feb 13 17:16:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <402D587C.5060602@visi.com> And on older hardware Performance is king. Sam. Ken Fuchs wrote: >Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > >>Do you really think there's something magical about compiling your own >>applications that makes them run faster? The same binaries compiled on >>another system then rolled into a .deb or .rpm will perform exactly the same, >>barring memory/cpu size/speed differences. gcc does not take into account your >>specific hardware configuration, nor should it. >> >> > >Most DEB and RPM files are compiled for the oldest, usually slowest, >architecture of an architecture family. For the x86 family, the code in >DEB and RPM files may be 386 code which is optimal only for a 80386 >CPU. Gentoo compiles code that is optimal for the CPU it is being >installed on. Thus compiling all code during an install as Gentoo does >can result in a huge performance advantage. > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 13 17:30:46 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 04:24:53PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Most DEB and RPM files are compiled for the oldest, usually slowest, > architecture of an architecture family. For the x86 family, the code in > DEB and RPM files may be 386 code which is optimal only for a 80386 > CPU. Gentoo compiles code that is optimal for the CPU it is being > installed on. Thus compiling all code during an install as Gentoo does > can result in a huge performance advantage. It's not a huge performance advantage, and if you're really that conerned about it, apt-get source foo; rpmbuild --rebuild --target i686 foo.src.rpm -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Feb 13 17:30:57 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I successfully burn data DVDs? In-Reply-To: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16429.23589.164203.13213@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Anthony" == Anthony D Little writes: Anthony> I've been making some data DVD coasters and now I'm looking Anthony> for help on successfully burning data DVDs. Anthony> Currently I'm running RedHat 9.0 on an Asus A7V333 motherboard. Anthony> It has an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor and 512 MB RAM. I've been doing this successfully with Mandrake 9.1, on which I use cdrecord-dvdhack, which looks like your dvdrecord. I've written a DVD-R using Khypermedia. Anthony> I used the following command to create the test data for Anthony> both the CD burn test and the DVD burn test. Anthony> mkisofs -R -o pdf.raw /home/tlittle/pdf/ I used mkisofs -r -o /tmp/backup.iso then cdrecord-dvdhack dev=0,1,0 -dao /tmp/data-backup.iso I couldn't make growisofs do anything but go quietly out to lunch.... If you don't get a better answer from someone else, I'll burn another and look more carefully at the output. Best, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 13 20:35:45 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:30:57 -0600 The Wandering Dru wrote: > I'll prolly regret this later, but I'll bite. ;-) Gentoo has always > been "as stable as you want to make it". I would have had some > gripes about the distro a year or two ago but I must say, after > using it for a couple of months again, they've come a long way in > the last year. They actually maintain a "stable branch" now. I > hated recompiling X every other day. Would I use it on a server? > Not on your life (I've got better things for my servers to do than > compile software) but it's a pretty sweet desktop system. > > emerge sync && emerge -u world > > Don't get me wrong, I don't elevate Gentoo above other distros and I > > rarely recommend it to others(I reserve that honor for Libranet). I > > just think it's got it's place just like the other several hundred > distros out there. The one thing Gentoo did for me was to force me > to understand how my system works. The only other distro that did > more for me in that respect was LFS. > Hmm, very interesting... Because Slackware has been around for a lot longer than Gentoo AND it's safe to use as servers... ;) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 13 20:51:53 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <1076696256.4666.8.camel@bigtime> References: <1076696256.4666.8.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040213204037.11f9f1d7.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:17:36 -0600 Callum Lerwick wrote: > I see Gentoo has solidly usurped Debian's place in tclug-list user > zealotry! The cycle begins anew! > Meanwhile, we Slackheads just sit back and watch the flurry.... ;) I'm just being a little enthused about Slackware tonight... After working on RHEL (hey, it's our first Linux systems at work...) for the past week, it's a treat to come home to my Slackware systems. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Feb 13 21:05:50 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <402D8E77.1020305@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shawn wrote: | | Hmm, very interesting... Because Slackware has been around for a lot | longer than Gentoo AND it's safe to use as servers... ;) | | I used to use slackware also, was very fond of it in fact. The main reason I quit using it(around 8.2) is I got tired of dealing with my own dependencies and figuring out why things wouldn't compile with the options I wanted, etc. Over the years it's been kind of a Distro-of-the-month club on my desktop. If it's out there, I've probably tried it at least once. About the only one I've not quite wrapped my brain around yet is Rock. One of these day tho... ;-) - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFALY53iwhv4FBqkV8RAl9yAKCHtubFAlVf6QwV4VCQM6fBQRcQ3gCffLAi wfjx6uGyru/SieQoTGQFtSU= =u51L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Fri Feb 13 22:45:39 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> Shawn, Where do the insecurities come in? the fact that you're actually compiling stuff on your box and have the compiler there? Adam Shawn wrote: Hmm, very interesting... Because Slackware has been around for a lot >longer than Gentoo AND it's safe to use as servers... ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Feb 14 00:00:25 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> (poptix@techmonkeys.org) References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> >On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 04:24:53PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: >> Most DEB and RPM files are compiled for the oldest, usually slowest, >> architecture of an architecture family. For the x86 family, the code in >> DEB and RPM files may be 386 code which is optimal only for a 80386 >> CPU. Gentoo compiles code that is optimal for the CPU it is being >> installed on. Thus compiling all code during an install as Gentoo does >> can result in a huge performance advantage. As Munir Nassar rightly pointed out, the Gentoo complied code is not optimal for the processor it is installed on. I should have said "near optimal", since the superlative "optimal" is rarely achieved on any thing that's as complex as an Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >It's not a huge performance advantage, and if you're really that concerned >about it, apt-get source foo; rpmbuild --rebuild --target i686 foo.src.rpm If there's not a huge performance advantage why has Intel and AMD added dozens of new operations to the base 80386 opcodes in current x86 processor designs? Frankly, new Pentium 4 or Athlon code runs much faster on a Pentium 4 or Athlon than the equivalent 80386 code does. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Sat Feb 14 00:15:35 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I successfully burn data DVDs? In-Reply-To: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040214023624.GB26745@dad1> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 02:06:01PM -0600, Anthony D. Little wrote: > I've been making some data DVD coasters and now I'm looking > for help on successfully burning data DVDs. Make sure DMA is on for you harddrive and preferably the CDROM as well. hdparm /dev/hdx If not, turn on by hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx then try the burn. I've had good results with an inexpensive DVD burner I picked up at OfficeMax a month back(Micro Advantage Model 4DVDRW-B13). Burned a few +RW, 5 -R and about 8 +R so far. The +RW,+R I used growisofs, very nice as you don't have to make an image, just point it at a directory and it burns the disk. The -R I used dvdrecord to burn after mkisofs to make an image. You could also try a slower write speed, or this burnfree option. Heres a log from a -R disk: scsidev: '0,0,0' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 dvdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (bero-0.5a '@(#)scsitrans dvdrtools v0.1.4 ... Based on: Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i386-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jrg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM Using libscg version 'bero-0.5a' Driveropts: 'burnfree' atapi: 1 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info : 'DVDRW ' Identifikation : 'IDE1004 ' Revision : '0038' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd). Driver flags : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: PACKET SAO Drive buf size : 1376256 = 1344 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 3931 MB Total size: 4514 MB (447:16.20) = 2012715 sectors Lout start: 4514 MB (447:18/15) = 2012715 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP start of lead in: -150 (00:00/00) Disk type: unknown dye (reserved id code) Manuf. index: -1 Manufacturer: unknown (not in table) Blocks total: 2298496 Blocks current: 2298496 Blocks remaining: 285781 Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... dvdrecord: Turning BURN-Free input buffer ready. trackno=0 BURN-Free is ON. Performing OPC... Sending CUE sheet... dvdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150 Starting new track at sector: 0 @01T003931 @01:000001 @01:000002 ... Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 4122040320/4122040320 (2012715 sectors). Writing time: 757.212s Fixating... Fixating time: 20.211s dvdrecord: fifo had 64927 puts and 64927 gets. dvdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 24775 times full, min fill was 59%. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Feb 14 00:25:20 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > As Munir Nassar rightly pointed out, the Gentoo complied code is not > optimal for the processor it is installed on. I should have said "near > optimal", since the superlative "optimal" is rarely achieved on any > thing that's as complex as an Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor. that Munir Nassar guy is an idiot, dont listen to him!!! on Intel processors you CAN get optimal code, just not using gcc if you want to get absolutely the last ounce of performance out of your box use icc, the official intel compiler for IA32 (only works on Intel processors :) Gentoo does support using icc, but it is rarely done because icc is not free. Now i have not tested this and so my numbers are probably wrong/misremembered but i have heard claims that icc can produce code that is at least twice as fast as gcc code and many times even more so. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Sat Feb 14 01:16:26 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Update: Linux on HP compaq nc6000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040214010629.023a5858@pop.mail.yahoo.com> About a month ago I asked for help getting Linux to install on a HP laptop, model "compaq nc6000". I'm happy to report that I've finally got it working--more or less. Thanks to all the replies that came in and offers for help. The key thing that I was stuck on was the configuration of the wireless adaptor. It turns out there's a separate on/off button for the built-in wireless adaptor! Once I had that figured out, the rest went pretty smoothly. What follows is an email response I sent to someone who happened to be looking for help setting up Linux on a nc6000. It has more details. I'm offering it back in case it helps anyone else. -Jeff ------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I should report back on what I finally got running. I tried two distributions that worked. The first distribution is SuSE 9.0 Pro. It worked out-of-the-box: sound works fine, 10/100/1000 adapter works, and SuSE distribution comes with madwifi pre-compiled and installed with the distribution, so the wireless adapter works too. The downside is that the graphics support isn't that great -- there's no 3D support, and some applications won't run without it (some of the games I tried; can't remember which ones off the top of my head). The second distribution--and the one I picked--is Fedora Core 1. 3D graphics works (vesa device driver). Madwifi is not included, but I fetched the sources from CVS and built it myself. I guess the reason why I picked Fedora is because my company has a lot of enterprise RedHat experience and I wanted something similar. With both distributions, the key thing to remember to get the wireless adapter to work is to push the wireless button (located above the number keys, in the middle of a group of 3 buttons, with an icon that looks like a radio antenna). This is my first laptop and I didn't realize it had a separate button to enable/disable the radio transmitter. When the transmitter is on, a blue light will appear at the lower left edge of the case. It stays enabled through reboots and power cycles. After you install the madwifi driver, add the line alias ath0 ath_pci to /etc/modules.conf and then reboot. When the system comes up, automatic hardware discovery will find the adaptor and try to configure it as eth1. Let it do what it wants, then fix it after the system is up: remove eth1 from /etc/modules.conf, and move ifcfg-eth1 to ifcfg-ath0. (More about that last part in the next paragraph.) The wireless adapter device is called ath0. You can set up wireless keys, essid, and other parameters in the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ath0. See the ifup-wireless script in the same directory for the list of variables you can set. The commands /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown are used to turn the device on and off. My parameters in ifcfg-ath0 are: DEVICE=ath0 ONBOOT=no USERCTL=yes ESSID=myessid KEY=mykey With USERCTL=yes, I can bring up the wireless up when I want without being root. I made the eth0 wired adaptor user-controllable as well. I have an Advanced Port Replicator, and it just works (external network, keyboard, mouse, monitor). The external video runs at 60Hz, however, which is annoying. Other notes: 1. Do not specify acpi=on as a boot parameter. It doesn't work in the 2.4 kernels and I"m not sure it's that much better in the 2.6 kernels either. The downside is that power management isn't perfect: when you unplug the power cord and switch to battery, the system thinks the battery level is at -1; in addition, the fan runs all the time. If you ignore the initial battery notification, eventually you will get a real notice that the battery is going to run out. I get about 3 or 4 hours of life out of mine before the notice appears for real. You have about 5 minutes to wrap up and shut down before you lose power. 2. Visit the fedora websites, especially fedoranews.org. They've got a great set of updates and articles on how to do stuff specifically for Fedora. The best one by far is the one that explains how to make up2date run faster. If you pick Fedora Core 1, be sure to read and apply this as soon as you have finished the install, before you do anything else. 3. Things I haven't figured out: -- how to turn off external speakers but let the headphones in the headphone jack still work. -- external buttons for volume and mute controls don't work -- where the real sound control application is hiding. I've run aumix -- haven't tried using the modem -- haven't tried using the SD media reader -- CD playing works fine. Haven't tried burning a CD yet. -- Can't get xine to work yet for playing DVDs -- How to get external video to run at a higher refresh rate than 60Hz -- Haven't tried any pcmcia cards I will probably try Fedora Core 2 (beta was just announced a few days ago) but I want to repartition first so I don't lose my working copy of Fedora Core 1. My final recommendation is this: focus on one thing at a time. At first there's so much that needs to get done, so make a check list and don't move on to the next thing until the first is finished. I made the mistake of bouncing around trying to fix one thing, then another, then going back to the first. I also made the mistake of spending too long to get Mandrake to work. I tried 9.2, Cooker 2003-12-31 and 10.0 Beta 1. The most recent (Beta 1) was actually the worst of the 3. My advice is to give up on Mandrake and try Fedora or SuSE. ---------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Feb 14 07:55:54 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Update: Linux on HP compaq nc6000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040214010629.023a5858@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040214010629.023a5858@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402E27A5.8090400@visi.com> This is what TCLUG is all about. Return what you have learned without any thought of self. Sam. Jeff Nelson wrote: > About a month ago I asked for help getting Linux to install on a HP > laptop, model "compaq nc6000". I'm happy to report that I've finally > got it working--more or less. Thanks to all the replies that came in > and offers for help. > > The key thing that I was stuck on was the configuration of the > wireless adaptor. It turns out there's a separate on/off button for > the built-in wireless adaptor! Once I had that figured out, the rest > went pretty smoothly. > > What follows is an email response I sent to someone who happened to be > looking for help setting up Linux on a nc6000. It has more details. > I'm offering it back in case it helps anyone else. > > -Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, I should report back on what I finally got running. I tried two > distributions that worked. > > The first distribution is SuSE 9.0 Pro. It worked out-of-the-box: > sound works fine, 10/100/1000 adapter works, and SuSE distribution > comes with madwifi pre-compiled and installed with the distribution, > so the wireless adapter works too. The downside is that the graphics > support isn't that great -- there's no 3D support, and some > applications won't run without it (some of the games I tried; can't > remember which ones off the top of my head). > > The second distribution--and the one I picked--is Fedora Core 1. 3D > graphics works (vesa device driver). Madwifi is not included, but I > fetched the sources from CVS and built it myself. I guess the reason > why I picked Fedora is because my company has a lot of enterprise > RedHat experience and I wanted something similar. > > With both distributions, the key thing to remember to get the wireless > adapter to work is to push the wireless button (located above the > number keys, in the middle of a group of 3 buttons, with an icon that > looks like a radio antenna). This is my first laptop and I didn't > realize it had a separate button to enable/disable the radio > transmitter. When the transmitter is on, a blue light will appear at > the lower left edge of the case. It stays enabled through reboots and > power cycles. > > After you install the madwifi driver, add the line > > alias ath0 ath_pci > > to /etc/modules.conf and then reboot. When the system comes up, > automatic hardware discovery will find the adaptor and try to > configure it as eth1. Let it do what it wants, then fix it after the > system is up: remove eth1 from /etc/modules.conf, and move ifcfg-eth1 > to ifcfg-ath0. (More about that last part in the next paragraph.) > > The wireless adapter device is called ath0. You can set up wireless > keys, essid, and other parameters in the file > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ath0. See the ifup-wireless > script in the same directory for the list of variables you can set. > The commands /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown are used to turn the device > on and off. My parameters in ifcfg-ath0 are: > > DEVICE=ath0 > ONBOOT=no > USERCTL=yes > ESSID=myessid > KEY=mykey > > With USERCTL=yes, I can bring up the wireless up when I want without > being root. I made the eth0 wired adaptor user-controllable as well. > > I have an Advanced Port Replicator, and it just works (external > network, keyboard, mouse, monitor). The external video runs at 60Hz, > however, which is annoying. > > Other notes: > > 1. Do not specify acpi=on as a boot parameter. It doesn't work in the > 2.4 kernels and I"m not sure it's that much better in the 2.6 kernels > either. The downside is that power management isn't perfect: when you > unplug the power cord and switch to battery, the system thinks the > battery level is at -1; in addition, the fan runs all the time. If you > ignore the initial battery notification, eventually you will get a > real notice that the battery is going to run out. I get about 3 or 4 > hours of life out of mine before the notice appears for real. You have > about 5 minutes to wrap up and shut down before you lose power. > > 2. Visit the fedora websites, especially fedoranews.org. They've got a > great set of updates and articles on how to do stuff specifically for > Fedora. The best one by far is the one that explains how to make > up2date run faster. If you pick Fedora Core 1, be sure to read and > apply this as soon as you have finished the install, before you do > anything else. > > 3. Things I haven't figured out: > > -- how to turn off external speakers but let the headphones in the > headphone jack still work. > -- external buttons for volume and mute controls don't work > -- where the real sound control application is hiding. I've run aumix > -- haven't tried using the modem > -- haven't tried using the SD media reader > -- CD playing works fine. Haven't tried burning a CD yet. > -- Can't get xine to work yet for playing DVDs > -- How to get external video to run at a higher refresh rate than 60Hz > -- Haven't tried any pcmcia cards > > I will probably try Fedora Core 2 (beta was just announced a few days > ago) but I want to repartition first so I don't lose my working copy > of Fedora Core 1. > > My final recommendation is this: focus on one thing at a time. At > first there's so much that needs to get done, so make a check list and > don't move on to the next thing until the first is finished. I made > the mistake of bouncing around trying to fix one thing, then another, > then going back to the first. I also made the mistake of spending too > long to get Mandrake to work. I tried 9.2, Cooker 2003-12-31 and 10.0 > Beta 1. The most recent (Beta 1) was actually the worst of the 3. My > advice is to give up on Mandrake and try Fedora or SuSE. > > ---------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 14 08:00:27 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040214135404.GN14343@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 12:00:48AM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > >It's not a huge performance advantage, and if you're really that concerned > >about it, apt-get source foo; rpmbuild --rebuild --target i686 foo.src.rpm > > If there's not a huge performance advantage why has Intel and AMD added > dozens of new operations to the base 80386 opcodes in current x86 > processor designs? Frankly, new Pentium 4 or Athlon code runs much > faster on a Pentium 4 or Athlon than the equivalent 80386 code does. Software has to be written to specificly take advantage of MMX, MMX2, 3dnow, etc. Some of the rest are only useful to the kernel (PAE/PSE36 for example), mtrr is something apps like mplayer and XF86 take advantage of. Again, there's not a huge difference for 90% of applications anyway, they spend most their time waiting for user input. Programs that can take advantage of optimizations usually are, the kernel, glibc, mplayer, etc. Randomly using optimization flags on all your software will lead to an unstable system with bugs that you simply can't find. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Feb 14 10:15:37 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist? Message-ID: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Anyone know of a good hard drive repair specialist? I have a Gateway laptop (which btw, I highly recommend EVERYONE stay away from gateway laptops) that overheats often. Last night the HD failed on it. It's making loud clicking sounds (click of death?) and I'm just curious if it's even worth attempting to recover and if so, does anyone know of a good place to get it done? All is thankfully not lost, I run nightly backups through rsync, but some time ago my rsync server had a full partition so my last good backup is over 2 weeks old. Thanks for the help. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Feb 14 11:05:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist? In-Reply-To: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <402E54D4.7030805@visi.com> Ontrack Data Recovery in Eden Prairie It is possible that your insurance will cover the data recovery. Call your home owners insurance agent. If this was a business machine you should be covered for data recovery. Can you share your rsync script? Sam. Josh Trutwin wrote: >Anyone know of a good hard drive repair specialist? I have a Gateway laptop (which btw, I highly recommend EVERYONE stay away from gateway laptops) that overheats often. Last night the HD failed on it. It's making loud clicking sounds (click of death?) and I'm just curious if it's even worth attempting to recover and if so, does anyone know of a good place to get it done? All is thankfully not lost, I run nightly backups through rsync, but some time ago my rsync server had a full partition so my last good backup is over 2 weeks old. > >Thanks for the help. > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Feb 14 11:10:19 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist? In-Reply-To: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <1076778082.1327.80.camel@lotsa> On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 10:13, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Anyone know of a good hard drive repair specialist? I have a Gateway > laptop (which btw, I highly recommend EVERYONE stay away from gateway > laptops) that overheats often. Last night the HD failed on it. It's > making loud clicking sounds (click of death?) and I'm just curious if > it's even worth attempting to recover and if so, does anyone know of a > good place to get it done? All is thankfully not lost, I run nightly > backups through rsync, but some time ago my rsync server had a full > partition so my last good backup is over 2 weeks old. first decide how much your lost data is worth to you. I'd plan on using your backup unless you are willing to pay though the nose to repair physical problems with a drive. OnTrack in Eden Prairie is world renowned for fixing physically damaged disks but even if you've got 8 hours per day for the past two weeks of stuff that is only on your disk it would be cheaper for you to redo what you have lost.(read OnTrack is Very Expensive) If your data is worth less than $2000 forget about OnTrack. There are probably other less expencive places. There is a lot you can do yourself. first I would try plugging the drive into a atx box, fire up the box booting off of a good drive, mounting the bad drive manually read only, then try to copy what you can off of it. To mount it in a atx box you will need an 2.5" IDE converter. I have one you can borrow, they are $10 at microcenter. Let me know if you have problems, I've done this a few times. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Feb 14 11:34:20 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist? In-Reply-To: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <1350.68.112.123.230.1076779472.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Anyone know of a good hard drive repair specialist? Everyone says Ontrack. Everyone says they're expensive. Both are correct, Ontrack is by far the best shop out there, they know it, and charge accordingly. If you're serious about it, $100 will give you an estimate on recovery costs (non refundable). > I have a Gateway laptop (which btw, I highly recommend EVERYONE stay away > from gateway laptops) Which model? Every manufacturer has a bad line of laptops, but the new 450 series seem to be quite good (except that they won't boot off USB.. GRRRRRR) > that overheats often. That's definitely a Gateway :-) > Last night the HD failed on it. It's making loud clicking sounds She's dead, Jim. Throw it in a ziplock bag and put it in the freezer (or nature's freezer, it's a cold one today) for a couple hours and try to get the data off while it's still cold. Also try this with the IDE converter mentioned elsewhere in this thread. > I run nightly backups through rsync I must strip you of geek membership card. I wasn't aware that geeks actually practice what they preach. > but some time ago my rsync server had a full partition so > my last good backup is over 2 weeks old. Diverging topics, how and what sort of backup mechanism are you using on the rsync server? I'm looking to do something similar, as I imagine other TCLUG'ers are as well. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Feb 14 12:30:27 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist? In-Reply-To: <402E54D4.7030805@visi.com> References: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <402E54D4.7030805@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040214122033.3c9900e7@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:03:16 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Ontrack Data Recovery in Eden Prairie > It is possible that your insurance will cover the data recovery. Call > your home owners insurance agent. > If this was a business machine you should be covered for data recovery. > > Can you share your rsync script? This one goes to Brian too. I'd be happy to share - it's nothing too special actually - but I need to re-think my strategy just a little and mod the script to take into account situations like: oops the drive is full. I practice what I preech because I've been caught too many times with my pants down without a good backup strategy, so can I still keep my geek card??? Laptop is under warrenty so a new HD is on the way, my wife seems ok with the copy of her research paper from 2 weeks ago so I guess recovery will not be an issue after all. Thanks for the tips. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Feb 14 13:12:59 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Update: Linux on HP compaq nc6000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040214010629.023a5858@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is still working off the assumptions that the nc6000 is somewhat close to the nx9010, at least hotkeys-wise. Some of the earlier instructions on a page I found worked on a friend's HP Pavilion ze5155, but I haven't tried the latest to see if it works. YMMV, but it could help. http://freax.de/wiki/Installing%20RH9%20on%20a%20Compaq%20nx9010%20laptop On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: > -- external buttons for volume and mute controls don't work The volume control buttons can be used via xmodmap and whatnot, but the mute button doesn't seem to produce a keycode, so can't be used normally. Same with two or three of the five hotkeys above the keyboard. Evidently there's been an update to that page since I looked at it, with a link to a kernel module that can enable those buttons for use. You might want to check it out. > -- haven't tried using the modem If it's the Conexant, you might have luck. > My final recommendation is this: focus on one thing at a time. At first > there's so much that needs to get done, so make a check list and don't move > on to the next thing until the first is finished. I made the mistake of > bouncing around trying to fix one thing, then another, then going back to > the first. On the flip side to that, you probably shouldn't spend a week trying to get something to work. You might want to set a time limit per task. :) But yes, I can agree that flip-flopping from one task to another is less productive. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Feb 14 15:06:38 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] When to use NIS/NIS+ [Was: copying users and groups] In-Reply-To: <200402100518.i1A5I2000303@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <16423.63839.366107.880749@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200402092306.i19N63L29989@ecstasy.winternet.com> <16424.22051.607722.391039@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200402100518.i1A5I2000303@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:18 PM, Ken Fuchs wrote: >> Ken> Setting up NIS or NIS+ servers, slave servers and clients >> would be >> Ken> another path that could be taken. > > rpgoldman wrote: > >> I've been trying to figure out at what point that becomes worthwhile. it's worthwhile when you're not messing around with the network and the number of machines actively used by folks with a common backing store for /home is > 1. it's also nice to build your /usr/local in a single location and export it across several machines so you don't have to continuously go around adding executables for commonly used items. coupled with a caching FS you've reduced the amount of aggregate update headache considerably. additionally, it removes the requirement that folks have their configurations and such locally on a machine, which makes moving about and being productive when a body's workstation takes a digger a snap. > When all user home directories are on NFS filesystems, it is nice to > have consistent "/etc" files exported by NIS/NIS+ for all client > machines on the LAN. Beyond a certain rather low number of clients, > the > reduction of effort that using NIS/NIS+ results in will be greater than > the effort of maintaining the NIS/NIS+ server(s), [slave server(s)] and > clients. Another big factor is how often client machines and users are > added or removed from the LAN; if this happens often, NIS/NIS+ becomes > a > significant labor saver even on a small LAN. > {snipped misc. signatures} -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Feb 14 15:09:57 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402D8E77.1020305@druswanderings.net> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402D8E77.1020305@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040214145837.547cb582.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:56:55 -0600 The Wandering Dru wrote: > I used to use slackware also, was very fond of it in fact. The main > reason I quit using it(around 8.2) is I got tired of dealing with my > own dependencies and figuring out why things wouldn't compile with > the options I wanted, etc. > > Over the years it's been kind of a Distro-of-the-month club on my > desktop. If it's out there, I've probably tried it at least once. > About the only one I've not quite wrapped my brain around yet is > Rock. One of these day tho... ;-) > I think I've tried a vast majority of the major ones myself. But I always keep coming back to Slackware. It' just works for me. Granted, I'm not a code monkey or anything like that right now, but it definately does it's purpose and quite well in fact. I consider myself to be somewhere on the intermediate to mildly advanced, yet far from guru stage of a Linux/Slackware afficianado. But, in time, it'll come. =) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Feb 14 15:10:13 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> Message-ID: <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:39:00 -0600 Adam wrote: > Shawn, > Where do the insecurities come in? the fact that you're actually > compiling stuff on your box and have the compiler there? Adam, Not sure what you're referring to. Can you expand a little more please? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Feb 14 15:19:15 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I successfully burn data DVDs? In-Reply-To: References: <1076702760.9823.1416.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040214150505.A18529@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 05:05:53PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Anthony D. Little wrote: > > I used the following command to create the test data for > > both the CD burn test and the DVD burn test. > > mkisofs -R -o pdf.raw /home/tlittle/pdf/ > > To burn DVD+RW discs, I've had to use growisofs; couldn't get it to work > with cdrecord. Yeah, cdrecord/dvdrecord works with DVD-R and -RW, while growisofs works with DVD+R and +RW . -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Sat Feb 14 20:05:45 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <402ED344.1050806@askewview.net> Shawn wrote: >On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:39:00 -0600 >Adam wrote: > > > >>Shawn, >>Where do the insecurities come in? the fact that you're actually >>compiling stuff on your box and have the compiler there? >> >> > >Adam, > Not sure what you're referring to. Can you expand a little more >please? > > > Well in a previous message you mentioned something about not using gentoo as a server. Sorry i dont have the original message i accidentally deleted it. Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Feb 14 21:30:30 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402ED344.1050806@askewview.net> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> <402ED344.1050806@askewview.net> Message-ID: <20040214212019.506f1038.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:02:44 -0600 Adam wrote: > Well in a previous message you mentioned something about not using > gentoo as a server. Sorry i dont have the original message i > accidentally deleted it. Oh, gotcha... Mine was in response to someone else who said that they wouldn't use it as a server. You'll have to ask them, but I believe it has to do with it being a bit unstable yet... sorry -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 09:30:20 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Volume control nc6000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040215091618.035b1770@pop.mail.yahoo.com> OK, here's a strange problem. The hp compaq nc6000 running Fedora Core 1 has a sound problem. I run kmix to look at the mixer settings while playing a DVD or CD and 1. The sound comes out of both the speakers and the plugged in headset. I want to disable the external speakers. 2. No sound comes out of the external RCA "line out" jack. (There's only one jack anyway, so how are they getting stereo out of this thing?) 3. The "PCM" slider control is the only one that affects the volume! Even the master volume control has no effect. Any hints? I looked at the nx9010 page as suggested earlier, and this system doesn't have the same function key setup. Thanks. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Feb 15 11:53:37 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402151746.i1FHkCI13534@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: HP K100 Hi, I have a retired HP K100 server at work. It's in a 5' tall rack. I think it's got about 9 GB of storage (4 SCSI HD's) This unit was working fine when we replaced it with a new L1000. I have HPUX 11i running on it now. You can have it if you come pick it up. It would make a great web server. I'd take it home myself, I just don't have the room. I don't know if you can run Linux on this. Bruce Ordway bruceo@vikingeng.com bruceo@bordway.org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Feb 15 12:50:22 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ok here is a newb perl question Message-ID: <402FBF6E.50807@lorenburlingame.com> if I have a numeric literal that starts with one or more zeroes, how do I increment it without losing the preceeding zeroes? for example, $s="0001"; $e="0010"; while ($s <= $e) { print $s,"\n; $s++; } would give me: 0001 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 I appologize for making you dumber for having read this, but I know there must be some easy way of doing this that I am just not seeing. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Feb 15 13:01:41 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ok here is a newb perl question In-Reply-To: <402FBF6E.50807@lorenburlingame.com> References: <402FBF6E.50807@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <402FC215.2010100@lorenburlingame.com> Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > if I have a numeric literal that starts with one or more zeroes, how do > I increment it without losing the preceeding zeroes? > ok, as is usually the case with this list.... I answered my own question about 2 seconds after hitting the submit button.... the solution is to use a string comparison like "le" instead of a numeric one like "<=" I am dumb. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 15 13:32:42 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040215193242.GA73632@nan2d.com> Not to get on you're case or anything, and I understand that one can have problems time to time with installation, but Have never installed a Linux distro (sutch as Gentoo) where one has to do a lot of manual configuration sutch as setting up a partition scheme or installing a bootloader up intil recently. What a mouthfull ;) I followed the manual, steb by step and everything installed fine. Here I am using Gentoo at its fullest, emerging the latest software. On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:00:45AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Have I tried Gentoo for the last time? > > I've followed the instructions to the letter I had some problems installing at first too, then I discovered that I was following the wrong instructions. If you got the LiveCD, it has the out-date installation instructions (known as the ``Gentoo Linux 1.4 Installation Instructions'' that you can find at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml. The latest and most updated installation instructions are located in the Gentoo Handbook. Take a poke at them at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1 > I've used the "printed" instructions as a check list to install > I've used both Grub and Lilo as the boot loader > Lilo is the present boot loader Use GRUB. Unless you have a non-x86 archetecture then GRUB is the only bootloader that you _should_ use. You can use LILO, but even the documentation advices to stick to GRUB. > > I get the same results with either boot loader > Reboot, Reboot, Reboot > > I've booted with the CD to look at the files to see if I fat fingered > nope... > I've looked at lilo.conf and fstab As I said, GRUB ;) > I've changed settings of the both and put them back > nothing wrong... according to the instructions > > I just can't figure out what I've done that prevents this from working. > I want this to work but it's now become a joke that it doesn't work > I've installed from scratch 5 times and I get the same results every time. > > I know your all thinking "what's he doing wrong, the dope!" I've followed > the instructions from the Gentoo website to the letter. > > The only thing I can think of that may be causing this, is that I used > dban to > wipe this disk before I started. > > Sam. Good luck man, just take things slow and dont get frustrated over a silly computer. > > IMHO > I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine ... or read and did exactly what was told on the documentation :) > by this time. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 15 13:38:52 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200402151746.i1FHkCI13534@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200402151746.i1FHkCI13534@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <402FCACC.4040009@visi.com> What sort of power does this use? Sam. TCLUG Classifieds wrote: >New TCLUG Classified Ad > >Category: Computer > >Type of Ad: For Free > >Subject: HP K100 > >Hi, I have a retired HP K100 server at work. It's in a 5' tall rack. I think it's got about 9 GB of storage (4 SCSI HD's) This unit was working fine when we replaced it with a new L1000. I have HPUX 11i running on it now. You can have it if you come pick it up. It would make a great web server. I'd take it home myself, I just don't have the room. I don't know if you can run Linux on this. > >Bruce Ordway >bruceo@vikingeng.com >bruceo@bordway.org > >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 15 14:06:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040215193242.GA73632@nan2d.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040215193242.GA73632@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <402FD139.3060402@visi.com> I used the handbook at the link you sent, every time. Neither Grub or Lilo boot the system. Well the boot loaders start but Gentoo never gets far. using Lilo I see something like "starting gentoo......" something about the bios being ok then "reboot" Grub just reboots... This is my test machine, the machine I install on first so I get a feel for what I'm doing. My production machine is in need of a hard disk caddy. So I get to play a little before I do the real install. FYI... I installed Slack 9 on the machine and it worked just fine I'm installing RH 8.0 on it as I write this eMail I'm going to install Debian on it next Linux will run on this machine but I'm not sure the Gentoo distribution will run on it. Sam. Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >Not to get on you're case or anything, and I understand that one can have >problems time to time with installation, but Have never installed a Linux distro >(sutch as Gentoo) where one has to do a lot of manual configuration sutch as >setting up a partition scheme or installing a bootloader up intil recently. What >a mouthfull ;) I followed the manual, steb by step and everything installed >fine. Here I am using Gentoo at its fullest, emerging the latest software. > >On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:00:45AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>Have I tried Gentoo for the last time? >> >>I've followed the instructions to the letter >> >> > >I had some problems installing at first too, then I discovered that I was >following the wrong instructions. If you got the LiveCD, it has the out-date >installation instructions (known as the ``Gentoo Linux 1.4 Installation >Instructions'' that you can find at >http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml. The latest and >most updated installation instructions are located in the Gentoo Handbook. Take >a poke at them at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1 > > > >>I've used the "printed" instructions as a check list to install >>I've used both Grub and Lilo as the boot loader >> Lilo is the present boot loader >> >> > >Use GRUB. Unless you have a non-x86 archetecture then GRUB is the only >bootloader that you _should_ use. You can use LILO, but even the documentation >advices to stick to GRUB. > > > >>I get the same results with either boot loader >>Reboot, Reboot, Reboot >> >>I've booted with the CD to look at the files to see if I fat fingered >> nope... >>I've looked at lilo.conf and fstab >> >> > >As I said, GRUB ;) > > > >>I've changed settings of the both and put them back >> nothing wrong... according to the instructions >> >>I just can't figure out what I've done that prevents this from working. >>I want this to work but it's now become a joke that it doesn't work >>I've installed from scratch 5 times and I get the same results every time. >> >>I know your all thinking "what's he doing wrong, the dope!" I've followed >>the instructions from the Gentoo website to the letter. >> >>The only thing I can think of that may be causing this, is that I used >>dban to >>wipe this disk before I started. >> >>Sam. >> >> > >Good luck man, just take things slow and dont get frustrated over a silly >computer. > > > >>IMHO >>I believe that any average user would have put M$ on this machine >> >> > >... or read and did exactly what was told on the documentation :) > > > >>by this time. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rgullick at pressenter.com Sun Feb 15 14:05:45 2004 From: rgullick at pressenter.com (robert gullickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?TRENDnet=92s_TEW-228PI_11Mbps_Wireless_LA?= =?iso-8859-1?q?N_?= PCI Adapter Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040215140545.00b34d00@pop.pressenter.com> Is this linux compatible? Have done some searching, but no results. They are cheap at General Nanosystems: thanks, rgullick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 15 14:19:38 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant about Gentoo and compiling from source v. installing from packages. Message-ID: <20040215201938.GB73632@nan2d.com> Hello, TC Linux users ;) Get ready for some msispelled words ahead. Sorry about the long text :( I would just like to rant a bit about Gentoo and the concept of compiling your software. I have installed Gentoo successfuly from my first try, all thanks to the documentation - very on-topic and straightforward - and some help from the folks in #gentoo. I dont understand why people think and assume that compiling your own software from source (like using Gentoo emerge to do so) makes it more unstable and/or slower. Yes, most of this stuff is from the Gentoo thread. Some of you think that Gentoo is frustrating to install, maintain, and use. I would like to argue against that. If you folow the documentation, stap-by-step and do exactly what you are told to do so, then you will end up with a fully working gentoo setup. I, on the other hand, had to be even more careful because I am dual-booting with Windows XP on my first primary NTFS partition. Nothing too hard, I just used common sence. Instead of deleting all of my partitions (like the handbook advices,) I created an extended partition in the free space left on my hard drive. Not so hard. Common sence, its all about that. In esence, installing Gentoo was a breeze. I have never before installed a Linux distro where I was required to compile the kernel. Now I can say I have ;) Portage is probobly the best concept of managing software that was ever made. I use FreeBSD on my server, and managing software (updating, uninstalling, reinstalling) using the Ports Collection is extremely easy. Most of the installation of software is automated. Using emerge is very easy too. If I want to update all of my software: emerge -Upv world Review what will be updated, installed, and configure that using the USE variable USE="mmx sse -cups" emerge -Upv world Once I am happy with the software selections, I remove the `-pv' flags and hit enter. I go get some coffee, somthing to eat, and come back to a freshly updated system. How wonderful is that? Portage is truly the heart of Gentoo, and the prime of (IMHO) all software/package managers. Yes, I have used Debian, Slackware, RedHat and I just find that they do not stack up against what Gentoo's Portage offers me. Now, compiling your own software. I use emerge to install almost (if not all) of the software on my desktop computer. Some of you think that if software is installed from source form, and not from a pre-compiled binary version (like from a .deb or .rpm file) then it is 1) slower and 2) less stable. I have to argue against that. When you are installing from package form, and not from source form, do you actually think that some special ultra-optimization techneque was used to compile the software? Dont you think that the author/creator of the deb/rpm probobly used general compiling procedures when making the binary? Dont you think that is is better for you to compile your own software when you can select optimization based on your archetecture and processor features? Sorry, but I dont understand how one can think that compiling software from source is anything but better then installing it from pre-compiled packages. Someone please, enlighten me on this. This is not a flame, but an observation. I dont aim to prove Gentoo Linux to be better then any other distro. All of the distributions that I have tried all have their pros and cons. Gentoo pleases me more then anything else, and I find it hard to understand why someone would find it so bad and hard to use. Wow, once again my fingers have gone lose on me. I am going to get some more coffee now, and get somthing to eat while I update xfree :) Good day. Any thaughts on this? I know its a long read, but if you have the time and the will to discus, then I am all ears. -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Feb 15 14:03:26 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402152003.i1FK3Qg16002@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Laptop Disk Caddy I need a hard disk caddy for an IBM ThinkPad 600X Cheep would be nice Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Feb 15 15:06:29 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040214135404.GN14343@techmonkeys.org> (poptix@techmonkeys.org) References: <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <20040213182835.GK14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402132224.i1DMOrl28096@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040213232259.GM14343@techmonkeys.org> <200402140600.i1E60mD03142@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040214135404.GN14343@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200402152106.i1FL6T426124@ecstasy.winternet.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >Programs that can take advantage of optimizations usually are, the kernel, >glibc, mplayer, etc. Randomly using optimization flags on all your software >will lead to an unstable system with bugs that you simply can't find. Generating code for a specific processor (.i.e Athlon) rather than 80386 code just makes sense if a machine has this specific processor. That is a trivial (safe) optimization. It should not be considered a complex (potentially unsafe) optimization. Randomly selecting gcc optimization flags without extensive testing is certainly not a good idea and I doubt that Gentoo uses such an approach. Hopefully, Gentoo doesn't use rarely used optimizations by default unless there is a significant performance benefit and no known bugs as a result. The Gentoo approach of compiling all software probably does aid in fixing optimization related bugs more effectively and faster than any binary distribution approach does. While it is true that most software will not benefit from new processor instructions there are some areas in addition to those Matthew mentioned where there is a significant performance benefit. For example, in the Sparc architecture, there is a huge advantage in using Sparc v8 or v9 instructions over just using the base Sparc v7 instructions in openssl for those processors that support the v8 or v9 instructions. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 15 15:35:13 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040215213513.GA90373@nan2d.com> If you are making a script, is there a way for you to find the first and last (human) name of the student? If you can, then I suggest you use the first letter of their first name & their last name as the username. All in lowercase letter. Bassicaly, you would just smash the first letter, and last name and pipe that result through `tr [:upper:] [:lower:]` and you got the username. Instead of making random password, use somthing more simple for the students to remember. A good example is having the password their username+date of graduation. This is how my high school (Burnsville Senior High) does it (although we use windows servers, the username schema is similar.) Just remember to keep things simple, stupid. As of printing. I would make a template (simple ascii, stupid) with tags like $PASSWORD and $USERNAME that your script will replace. Then, depending on how you are going to print, send that to the spool. The important thing is to keep things stupid. Not everyone in high school knows what `login' means. I am even surprised you use Linux ;) Anyway, good luck. On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:53:18AM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our high > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little slip > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) > > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 15 15:39:45 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP question w/ Apache 1.3(?) on Slackware In-Reply-To: <20040211111552.2259ea03.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040211101020.4f67aadd.sfertch@real-time.com> <000d01c3f0be$a64e2ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040211111552.2259ea03.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040215213945.GB90373@nan2d.com> This may be a bad idea if you are using mod_bandwidth or mod_gzip. Some modules requore to be loaded last, because they do processing on content that other modules are done with. I would stick with having the LoadModule and AddModule directives in place where the other directives are located, and sticking the AddType bit in with the already-there bit (in the httpd.conf file.) On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:15:52AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:46:51 -0600 > "David Phillips" wrote: > > > > > > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php > > AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps > > > > > > > > David, there's a call for using the /etc/apache/mod_php.conf file: > > # ==> mod_php configuration settings <== > Include /etc/apache/mod_php.conf > > > Here's the mod_php.conf file: > # mod_php - PHP Hypertext Preprocessor module > # > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so > AddModule mod_php4.c > > # Tell Apache to feed all *.php files through the PHP module > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php > > # This will display PHP files in colored syntax form. Use with > # caution. > AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps > > > > -- > Shawn > > "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of > fear." > -Mark Twain > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 15 15:52:52 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040215215252.GA91057@nan2d.com> Yes ma-am, getting a steady 358 kb/s from a SF mirror at the U. I was afraid that my IP would change, so I waited for my DNS A & MX record owner to get home before restarting my modem. On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 05:18:47PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi *, > > I got an email from Comcast today letting me know that they had increased my > bandwidth. I just had to unplug my cable modem for a minute and plug it back > in. Boy, they sure did something. I'm getting a steady 394kB/s on an > "apt-get upgrade" right now. Wow!! > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Feb 15 20:33:42 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040215215252.GA91057@nan2d.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > I was afraid that my IP would change, so I waited for my DNS A & MX > record owner to get home before restarting my modem. That's what dynamic DNS is for! :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Feb 16 00:23:11 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20040215215252.GA91057@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040216062311.GA11605@nan2d.com> Yes, but it didn't change Jima. It didn't change one bit! I think it has somthing to do with the router MAC address. I could be wrong. I dont really know how the ISP determines what IP to give to the DHCP client. If you know, please, enlighten me ;) On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 08:33:42PM -0600, Jima wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > I was afraid that my IP would change, so I waited for my DNS A & MX > > record owner to get home before restarting my modem. > > That's what dynamic DNS is for! :) > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Feb 16 00:41:45 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds References: <20040215215252.GA91057@nan2d.com> <20040216062311.GA11605@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <000401c3f457$f20594d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andrei Bazhgin writes: > I think it has somthing to do with the router MAC address. I could be > wrong. I dont really know how the ISP determines what IP to give to > the DHCP client. If you know, please, enlighten me ;) It is the client MAC address, not the router MAC address. And it is the MAC address of the modem, not the computer connected to the modem. There are other methods they could use, but that is the easiest. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Feb 16 01:02:10 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <000401c3f457$f20594d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040216062311.GA11605@nan2d.com> <000401c3f457$f20594d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040216070210.GD24827@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 12:41:45AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > > It is the client MAC address, not the router MAC address. And it is the MAC > address of the modem, not the computer connected to the modem. There are > other methods they could use, but that is the easiest. To clarify, it's the MAC address of the device requesting an IP on the ethernet side of the cable modem. In addition to that, the cable modem itself gets an IP via DHCP/BOOTP. If the device requesting an IP happens to be your NAT "router", so be it. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Mon Feb 16 08:43:18 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating 2,000 user accounts In-Reply-To: <20040215213513.GA90373@nan2d.com> References: <20040215213513.GA90373@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1076942598.4030d706b58d3@www.joshwelch.com> > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:53:18AM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I need to create about 2,000 user accounts, one for each student at our > high > > school. Their username will be their student id and I'll need to create a > > random password too. (But I also need to be able to print out a little > slip > > of paper for each student that gives them their password.) > > > > Obviously I plan to script this, but I wonder if there are any words of > > wisdom out there from more experienced admins than I. Are there some good > > tools/scripts available? I will roll my own otherwise. > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson > > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > Do a google on password generator, I know that there are many little utilities out there that have been written to provide somewhat random output for password generation, most should be good enough for your purposes, particularly if you are going to enforce a "change your password upon first login" policy. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tnyberg at pressenter.com Mon Feb 16 09:03:44 2004 From: tnyberg at pressenter.com (Tim Nyberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security via the hosts.deny file Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Feb 16 09:19:12 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040214212019.506f1038.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> <402ED344.1050806@askewview.net> <20040214212019.506f1038.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4030DF70.1090205@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shawn wrote: | On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:02:44 -0600 | Adam wrote: | | |>Well in a previous message you mentioned something about not using |>gentoo as a server. Sorry i dont have the original message i |>accidentally deleted it. | | | Oh, gotcha... Mine was in response to someone else who said that | they wouldn't use it as a server. You'll have to ask them, but I | believe it has to do with it being a bit unstable yet... sorry I would be that someone else. And it doesn't really have to do with stability. I just don't want my server compiling software. It has more important things to do, like serving stuff. If I need to compile a certain program, I usually compile the package elsewhere and then install it on the server. I don't even put compilers on my servers. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAMN9viwhv4FBqkV8RAq+iAKCrPnCZqGKSUv+weaACUjUv73ZlNgCfa49+ xwheIQRlKwJrmPYPm/uPPdk= =yM1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Mon Feb 16 09:16:18 2004 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security via the hosts.deny file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4030DEC2.4050702@bitstream.net> Tim Nyberg wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been trying to find a list/source for all the IP ranges or > Domains not used in the US to put in my hosts.deny file. Has anyone > used this method to block unwanted traffic? Any input is appreciated. > > 1000 thnax for you help!! I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by doing that, but the following url shows you who owns what ranges: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space -- Chad Juettner chad@bitstream.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Feb 16 09:18:32 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B724@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Looks like IBM is going to push Office on Linux. Actually if Office weren't so entrenched in the corporate world, I'd wonder if this weren't IBM pulling a Microsoft. "Yeah, we're gonna support OS/2. We're behind you all the way." http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/02/13/HNlinuxoffice_1.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Feb 16 09:43:37 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <4030DF70.1090205@druswanderings.net> References: <402B951D.7040105@visi.com> <20040212183915.GD14343@techmonkeys.org> <402BD471.70600@druswanderings.net> <20040213202901.45896c41.sfertch@real-time.com> <402DA664.4000203@askewview.net> <20040214145552.044042a8.sfertch@real-time.com> <402ED344.1050806@askewview.net> <20040214212019.506f1038.sfertch@real-time.com> <4030DF70.1090205@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040216094337.0e1b20a4.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:19:12 -0600 The Wandering Dru wrote: > I would be that someone else. And it doesn't really have to do with > stability. I just don't want my server compiling software. It has > more important things to do, like serving stuff. If I need to > compile a certain program, I usually compile the package elsewhere > and then install it on the server. I don't even put compilers on my > servers. > Out of curiosity, why not have compilers on servers? I could see if it's a heavily intensive compile, but to me it makes sense to have a compiler on a server. Unless of course, it's a security concern such as an external facing webserver or firewall that will never compile code and only serve. But, even in some cases, a compiler could be warranted. Some applications require a compiler to be installed prior to them installing. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Mon Feb 16 10:28:33 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:rant about gentoo. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4030EFB1.9080307@umn.edu> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Mon Feb 16 10:26:55 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free Cd-Roms Message-ID: <12466929860.20040216102655@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Monday, February 16, 2004 @ 10:25:52 AM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good day to you all. I went through my cd-rom collection (to thin out the herd a little) this weekend. I pulled out 40 - 50 open source cd-roms that were either duplicates, or not needed in my lair anymore. I do not have the heart to toss them, so I put them on an abandoned cd-spool where they will probably sit on my shelf getting dusty from now until the end of time. I would like to donate any or all of these cd's to anyone in the group who might have some use for them. I have taken good care of these disks, and they are all in great condition. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me directly at b-o-b@mn.rr.com (out-of-group). Here is a list of what is available. Slackware 9.1 disk 1 & 2 Slackware 9.1 update-patches - as of 17 Nov 2003 Slackware 9.0 disk 1 & 2 Slackware 9.0 update-patches - as of 17 Nov 2003 Slackware 9.0 update-patches - as of 14 July 2003 Slackware 8.1 Disk 1 - Install Disk Slackware 8.1 update-patches - as of 17 Nov 2003 2 x Slackware 8.0 Disk 1 - Install disk Slackware 8.0 Disk 2 & 3 (contrib & source disks) 2 x Mandrake 9.1 Beta/RC Disk 1 & 2 Mandrake 9.1 Beta/RC Disk 3 2 x Mandrake 8.1 Disk 1 & 2 Mandrake 8.1 Disk 3 (supp. disk) FreeBSD 4.4 Disk 1 (install disk) FreeBSD 5.0 Disk 1 & 2 FreeBSD 5.0 Mini-Install Cd-rom Trustix Linux 1.5 disk 1 of 1 Debian 3.0r1 Disks 1 - 7 Debian 3.0r1 update-patches - as of 26 Feb 2003 Red Hat 8.0 Disks 1 - 5 Smoothwall Express 2.0 Current Stable Release Smoothwall 2.0 Beta7 Beta - Pendolina release Smoothwall 2.0 Beta6 Beta - Voyager release Smoothwall 2.0 Beta4 Beta - Mallard release Smoothwall 2.0 Beta Beta - Bullet Release Smoothwall 2.0 Beta first beta release for 2.0 That's all for now. With my Kindest Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Mon Feb 16 10:43:56 2004 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Last Gentoo Try In-Reply-To: <20040216094337.0e1b20a4.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:19:12 -0600 > The Wandering Dru wrote: > > > I would be that someone else. And it doesn't really have to do with > > stability. I just don't want my server compiling software. It has > > more important things to do, like serving stuff. If I need to > > compile a certain program, I usually compile the package elsewhere > > and then install it on the server. I don't even put compilers on my > > servers. > > > > Out of curiosity, why not have compilers on servers? I could see if > it's a heavily intensive compile, but to me it makes sense to have a > compiler on a server. Unless of course, it's a security concern such > as an external facing webserver or firewall that will never compile > code and only serve. > In security thinking a compiler allows you to generate native executables on the server, so you can have a more portable attack. In practical terms x86 Linux systems are common enough that this is less of a concern than in years past. -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Feb 16 10:52:06 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Comcast speeds In-Reply-To: <20040216062311.GA11605@nan2d.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > Yes, but it didn't change Jima. It didn't change one bit! No, it didn't, but you expressed concern at waiting for the DNS maintainer to get home before attempting to reset your cable modem. Dynamic DNS makes that a non-issue; your computer could update the DNS itself if the IP changed. *shrug* Just a suggestion. Take it how you will. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 11:09:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B724@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B724@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <4030F938.7070704@visi.com> I read the article, I don't trust either of these huge conglomerates or the "Info World" rag. All these companies care about is profits, they don't care about what is right or wrong. As my mother use to say "One will lie the other will swear to it" (the 3rd will print it). m$ and ibm have been in bed sense DOS, m$ office on Linux? I hope it never happens. Why? Because of all the work the guys at OpenOffice.org have been doing. The product they have turned out is _"Excellent"_. They have turned out a solid set of tools that have a great look and feel. All that's needed to complement OpenOffice is a MySQL front end like m$ access. *Any developers looking for an open source project?* Companies should look to other ways of doing things before porting m$ office to Linux. If ibm were to grant (without strings) OpenOffice.org $5 million, Open Office would be a threat to m$ office. That will never happen because m$ and ibm are in bed. m$ office on Linux, yuck! I hope the project costs ibm $100 million and it fails. As a LUG we should be promoting Open Office at every opportunity. I'll be using Open Office for a large project within Scouting and I'll be asking other Scouters to do the same. If we can promote Open Office to our friends, colleagues, and customers we may help reduce the poor behavior of big companies like m$ and ibm. Open you mind and your software! Sam. rware@interplastic.com wrote: >Looks like IBM is going to push Office on Linux. > >Actually if Office weren't so entrenched in the corporate world, I'd wonder >if this weren't IBM pulling a Microsoft. "Yeah, we're gonna support OS/2. >We're behind you all the way." > >http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/02/13/HNlinuxoffice_1.html > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilcoxon at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Feb 16 11:59:57 2004 From: wilcoxon at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Favorite perl book? In-Reply-To: Your message of "12 Feb 2004 17:40:01 CST." <1076629200.1361.67.camel@lotsa> References: <1076629200.1361.67.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <200402131752.i1DHqipn007192@mnmail1.stp.ime.reuters.com> On Thu 2004/02/12 17:40:01 CST, Tom Penney writes: > On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 15:40, JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > > Ms. fulcrum ahas to fill the amazon shopping cart and asked if I needed > > anything - I figure it's high time I bought a good perl reference- > > I'd agree with with Programming Perl as a first choice must have but a > very close second IMO is the O'Reilly Perl Cookbook. I actually use the > cookbook more than Programming Perl. I guess it depends on your style of coding. I find myself using Programming Perl (still 2nd ed) alot more than the Perl Cookbook (but it's still a nice book). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From TJMKNR at aol.com Mon Feb 16 12:03:34 2004 From: TJMKNR at aol.com (TJMKNR@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Duncan Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Mon Feb 16 11:57:37 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux Message-ID: ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Mon 2/16/2004 11:09 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux I read the article, I don't trust either of these huge conglomerates or the "Info World" rag. All these companies care about is profits, they don't care about what is right or wrong. As my mother use to say "One will lie the other will swear to it" (the 3rd will print it). m$ and ibm have been in bed sense DOS, m$ office on Linux? I hope it never happens. Companies should look to other ways of doing things before porting m$ office to Linux. If ibm were to grant (without strings) OpenOffice.org $5 million, Open Office would be a threat to m$ office. That will never happen because m$ and ibm are in bed. ---- Such bitterness Sam! Can't you look at this as the positive it is? IBM is obviously putting a lot of focus on Linux as a desktop - no matter what THIS IS GOOD. Any type of Linux gaining market share helps all the other types of Linux and it helps get you guys better gigs. And OF COURSE IBM is all about profits...you expect them to give $5m without strings to anyone?? IBM = International BUSINESS Machines. 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All these companies care about is profits, they > don't care about what is right or wrong. It's sad to say, but most companies, and IMHO nearly all large companies with faceless boards are like this. We deal. > As my mother use to say "One will lie the other will swear to it" > (the 3rd will print it). m$ and ibm have been in bed sense DOS, m$ > office on Linux? I hope it never happens. It is already hapenning, isn't it? Doesn't it run under Wine? If not quite yet, then soon. > Because of all the work the guys at OpenOffice.org have been doing. The > product they have turned out is _"Excellent"_. They have turned out a > solid set of tools that have a great look and feel. All that's needed > to complement OpenOffice is a MySQL front end like m$ access. *Any > developers looking for an open source project?* I agree that OpenOffice is a terrific product. The only thing it can't do is what Outlook does. Nobody spends all day there, but lots of people spend little bits in there all day. The minute Kolab or something else offers assignable permissions, working on behalf of another and other groupware functionality, MS will have yet another thing to worry about. Has anyone else noticed that the price of Windows Small Business Server 2003, which includes Exchange Server, is priced at $599 for five users? That's a huge reduction, and is a price at which even tiny companies can get a quick ROI. > Companies should look to other ways of doing things before porting m$ > office to Linux. If ibm were to grant (without strings) OpenOffice.org > $5 million, Open Office would be a threat to m$ office. That will never > happen because m$ and ibm are in bed. And it will never happen because IBM and Sun haven't been the best of friends. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 16 12:20:28 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Chris Schumann wrote: > It is already hapenning, isn't it? Doesn't it run under Wine? If not > quite yet, then soon. Crossover Office. 'nuff said. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Feb 16 13:01:36 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 11:57, sk3tch wrote: > > Can't you look at this as the positive it is? IBM is obviously > putting a lot of focus on Linux as a desktop - no matter what THIS IS > GOOD. I second that. "It doesn't run MS Office" is probably the single biggest excuse the average joe uses for not giving linux a try. Sure Open office is great but it is not MS Office. Like it or no MS office is what the world uses and knows. MS Office is the first thing corporate America trains people to use. MS Office running well on linux is good for linux, even if I will never run in. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 13:29:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 11:57, sk3tch wrote: > > > >> >>Can't you look at this as the positive it is? IBM is obviously >>putting a lot of focus on Linux as a desktop - no matter what THIS IS >>GOOD. >> >> > >I second that. "It doesn't run MS Office" is probably the single biggest >excuse the average joe uses for not giving linux a try. Sure Open office >is great but it is not MS Office. Like it or no MS office is what the >world uses and knows. MS Office is the first thing corporate America >trains people to use. MS Office running well on linux is good for linux, >even if I will never run in. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 13:27:34 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403119A6.2090208@visi.com> Evolution is a groupware application from Ximian, I'm going to start testing today. It's installing a I write. Sam Chris Schumann wrote: >>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:09:12 -0600 >>From: Samuel MacDonald >> >> > > > >>I read the article, I don't trust either of these huge conglomerates or >>the "Info World" rag. All these companies care about is profits, they >>don't care about what is right or wrong. >> >> > >It's sad to say, but most companies, and IMHO nearly all large companies >with faceless boards are like this. We deal. > > > >> As my mother use to say "One will lie the other will swear to it" >>(the 3rd will print it). m$ and ibm have been in bed sense DOS, m$ >>office on Linux? I hope it never happens. >> >> > >It is already hapenning, isn't it? Doesn't it run under Wine? If not quite >yet, then soon. > > > >>Because of all the work the guys at OpenOffice.org have been doing. The >>product they have turned out is _"Excellent"_. They have turned out a >>solid set of tools that have a great look and feel. All that's needed >>to complement OpenOffice is a MySQL front end like m$ access. *Any >>developers looking for an open source project?* >> >> > >I agree that OpenOffice is a terrific product. The only thing it can't do >is what Outlook does. Nobody spends all day there, but lots of people >spend little bits in there all day. > >The minute Kolab or something else offers assignable permissions, working >on behalf of another and other groupware functionality, MS will have >yet another thing to worry about. Has anyone else noticed that the price >of Windows Small Business Server 2003, which includes Exchange Server, is >priced at $599 for five users? That's a huge reduction, and is a price at >which even tiny companies can get a quick ROI. > > > >>Companies should look to other ways of doing things before porting m$ >>office to Linux. If ibm were to grant (without strings) OpenOffice.org >>$5 million, Open Office would be a threat to m$ office. That will never >>happen because m$ and ibm are in bed. >> >> > >And it will never happen because IBM and Sun haven't been the best of >friends. > >Chris Schumann > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 16 13:43:30 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:29:02 -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? > > It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. > Not in my book. I HAVE to use xp and MS office at work and OUTLOOK. my cube neighbors often comment that I mutter "WTF is xp doing now...." several times a day... Fricking hour glass.... I use rdesktop from my linux box (so I can continue to work while XP figures stuff out) and open office when I can - xp file brower is soo "gad damn" slow I drives me Knuts! I spend more time waiting for outlook to display and send email than I do actually reading and writing email! If work paid for the license - I'd run it - I loose a lot when I open /save in ooffice - fonts size and type change, inedtions, bullets numbers, links etc all change enough to make me use office for doc orinally created in office. For new docs I use ooffice and convert to Office if someone other than myself needs to see/open/edit. > Sam. > > Tom Penney wrote: > >> On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 11:57, sk3tch wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Can't you look at this as the positive it is? IBM is obviously >>> putting a lot of focus on Linux as a desktop - no matter what THIS IS >>> GOOD. >> >> I second that. "It doesn't run MS Office" is probably the single biggest >> excuse the average joe uses for not giving linux a try. Sure Open office >> is great but it is not MS Office. Like it or no MS office is what the >> world uses and knows. MS Office is the first thing corporate America >> trains people to use. MS Office running well on linux is good for linux, >> even if I will never run in. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 13:47:48 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40311E64.2000407@visi.com> How about IBM = I Been Moved Or at least the jobs, of thousands of Americans have been moved to other countries. Try reading http://www.ibmemployee.com/ and http://www.allianceibm.org/pressconnects_com%20%2001-22-04%20%20News%20Story.htm and http://www.pressconnects.com/special/endicottspill/ After reading _all_ this information tell me who ibm is interested in helping. It isn't the people of Endicott or workers in this country. Sam. sk3tch wrote: > > >________________________________ > >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Samuel MacDonald >Sent: Mon 2/16/2004 11:09 AM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux > > > >I read the article, I don't trust either of these huge conglomerates or >the "Info World" rag. >All these companies care about is profits, they don't care about what is >right or wrong. > As my mother use to say "One will lie the other will swear to it" >(the 3rd will print it). >m$ and ibm have been in bed sense DOS, m$ office on Linux? I hope it >never happens. > > >Companies should look to other ways of doing things before porting m$ >office to Linux. >If ibm were to grant (without strings) OpenOffice.org $5 million, Open >Office would >be a threat to m$ office. That will never happen because m$ and ibm are >in bed. > > >---- > >Such bitterness Sam! > >Can't you look at this as the positive it is? IBM is obviously putting a lot of focus on Linux as a desktop - no matter what THIS IS GOOD. Any type of Linux gaining market share helps all the other types of Linux and it helps get you guys better gigs. And OF COURSE IBM is all about profits...you expect them to give $5m without strings to anyone?? > >IBM = International BUSINESS Machines. Not International Open-Source-Hug-Me-We-Love-The-World-Charity Machine. > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Feb 16 13:47:53 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <403119FE.5060308@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:29:02PM -0600 References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040216134753.A8194@real-time.com> On 02/16 01:29 , Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? > > It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. no, it wouldn't. Crossover Office makes MS Office much more bearable, because: - you get rid of the underlying Windows OS, which is the greatest source of administrative aggravation - you can do remote displays of the application (especially with Crossover Office Thin Client Edition), which means you only need to upgrade/patch it in one place for several users (Tho you still need to buy licenses for each user. ;( ); plus the obvious benefits of being able to run your application from anywhere to anywhere. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Feb 16 13:58:15 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:43:30PM -0600 References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040216135815.B8194@real-time.com> On 02/16 01:43 , JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > If work paid for the license - I'd run it - I loose a lot when I open > /save in ooffice - fonts size and type change, inedtions, bullets numbers, > links etc all change enough to make me use office for doc orinally created > in office. For new docs I use ooffice and convert to Office if someone > other than myself needs to see/open/edit. The biggest reason I dislike Open Office is the amount of time that you waste fighting the auto-formatting that OO inflicts on you (MS O will do that as well, but is a little more mature about it); plus the ever-present crashes. (I've wasted a lot of time because OO crashed repeatedly while trying to spellcheck documents [of only several dozen pages, with very few misspellings]). Much as I hate to admit it, MS Office is a lot better than it used to be. Word Perfect is still probably better yet; but AFAIK isn't readily available for Linux anymore. I have some 'enthusiastic' comments about Open Office; but they usually come under the heading of "fighting words", so I won't utter them here. :) vi is still the best way to put information into a file. Use some sort of XML or SGML markup if you want to make it fancy. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Mon Feb 16 14:00:07 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux Message-ID: ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Mon 2/16/2004 1:47 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux How about IBM = I Been Moved Or at least the jobs, of thousands of Americans have been moved to other countries. Try reading http://www.ibmemployee.com/ and http://www.allianceibm.org/pressconnects_com%20%2001-22-04%20%20News%20Story.htm and http://www.pressconnects.com/special/endicottspill/ After reading _all_ this information tell me who ibm is interested in helping. It isn't the people of Endicott or workers in this country. Sam. --- Please...do tell what this has to do with MS Office being ported to Linux by IBM? :) We're not debating whether IBM is a great entity or not...in my reply I never stated that, I said they care about business, i.e. CASH MONEY. We're debating whether MS Office being ported to Linux is a good thing - we don't have to use it, but obviously, the addition of MS Office on Linux is positive as it will lead more people from the general population to investigate Linux because they can fell "warm and fuzzy" knowing pretty much the only apps they use on Windows work on Linux. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For new docs I use ooffice and convert to Office if someone >> other than myself needs to see/open/edit. > > vi is still the best way to put information into a file. Use some sort of > XML or SGML markup if you want to make it fancy. :) > Hell yes - I meant to say I use ooffice for docs that "have" to be in ".doc" format sooner or later... ALl my files start as vi and then make their way into those fancy formats the documentation folks like...:) Don't you hate it when you're in OO or Word and you keep hitting the Esc key to switch modes? -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Feb 16 14:24:00 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:27:34 -0600 > From: Samuel MacDonald > Evolution is a groupware application from Ximian, I'm going to start > testing today. > It's installing a I write. Evolution is PIM software, not a groupware application. It's nothing without server software. With an add-on, it will use Exchange Server's powerful features, but the Kolab server will make Evolution rock. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 16 14:25:36 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? > > It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. If MS Office is the *only* app that's stopping someone from moving to Linux (I've heard that quite a bit), why not have a way for them to run it under Linux? If people didn't want Windows apps under Linux, Codeweavers would not be in business. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Feb 16 14:52:38 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B72E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:26 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux > > > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? > > > > It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. > > If MS Office is the *only* app that's stopping someone from moving to > Linux (I've heard that quite a bit), why not have a way for > them to run it > under Linux? True. This begs the question why doesn't MS write the Eula to exclude this onoffice? I believe they are doing that with FoxPro. It would be fairly easy, just a new Eula on your Office install, upgrade, security patch. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Feb 16 15:04:45 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <40311E64.2000407@visi.com> References: <40311E64.2000407@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040216210445.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> Sam, we're tired of hearing your rants about IBM, you've hijacked every thread in the past year or so that mentioned IBM to rant about this, please stop, mmmkay? On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:47:48PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > How about IBM = I Been Moved -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Mon Feb 16 17:25:10 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> Message-ID: <1076973910.40315156ba66a@www.joshwelch.com> Quoting Nate Carlson : > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > Why would I run Linux to run m$ office? > > > > It would be easier to just run XP and m$ office. > > If MS Office is the *only* app that's stopping someone from moving to > Linux (I've heard that quite a bit), why not have a way for them to run it > under Linux? > > If people didn't want Windows apps under Linux, Codeweavers would not be > in business. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Agreed. I have not had a chance to play with cross over yet, seen it on Nate's computer though and it was prety cool. If I'm going to get my company to ever transition to a Linux desktop, it will most likely be with MS Office on linux. Most of my users can be more adequately termed as Office users than Windows users. They'd hardly notice me replacing the little blue E on their desktop as long as they had Word and Excel. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 16 16:28:21 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote backups (was [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist?) In-Reply-To: <1350.68.112.123.230.1076779472.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <20040214101355.541cb502@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <1350.68.112.123.230.1076779472.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <40314405.7020009@fandre.com> Brian wrote: > > Diverging topics, how and what sort of backup mechanism are you using on > the rsync server? I'm looking to do something similar, as I imagine other > TCLUG'ers are as well. > Check out rsnapshot. Very cool way of backing up your data remotely and having multiple snapshots from different times. Plus it uses hard-links to minimize disk space. If anyone is familiar with NetApps, you know that snapshots rule! http://www.rsnapshot.org If we don't have a speaker for next month maybe I'll do a quick presentation. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Feb 16 16:58:35 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <20040216135815.B8194@real-time.com> References: <1076958095.1327.161.camel@lotsa> <403119FE.5060308@visi.com> <20040216135815.B8194@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040216165835.A19059@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:58:15PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > vi is still the best way to put information into a file. Use some sort of > XML or SGML markup if you want to make it fancy. :) Use LaTeX for documents! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 17 01:02:27 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <20040216210445.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> References: <40311E64.2000407@visi.com> <20040216210445.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <4031BC83.3030608@visi.com> How about this. Pay M$ to run office on Linux.... Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >Sam, we're tired of hearing your rants about IBM, you've hijacked every >thread in the past year or so that mentioned IBM to rant about this, >please stop, mmmkay? > >On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:47:48PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>How about IBM = I Been Moved >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 17 09:22:15 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote backups (was [OT] Hard Drive Recovery Specialist?) Message-ID: >>> clay@fandre.com 02/16/04 04:28PM >>> Brian wrote: > Diverging topics, how and what sort of backup mechanism are you using on > the rsync server? I'm looking to do something similar, as I imagine other > TCLUG'ers are as well. Check out rsnapshot. Very cool way of backing up your data remotely and having multiple snapshots from different times. Plus it uses hard-links to minimize disk space. If anyone is familiar with NetApps, you know that snapshots rule! http://www.rsnapshot.org If we don't have a speaker for next month maybe I'll do a quick presentation. I vote yes!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 17 09:34:08 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: LaTeX Q was Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux Message-ID: There probably isn't much call for it, but I was wondering if there was a converter program from latex source to nicely formatted text. There are html, ps, pdf, and other converters I use already, but I just wanted to do as many formats as possible. Is there a nice latex to text converter? Any other useful format converters? >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 02/16/04 04:58PM >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:58:15PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > vi is still the best way to put information into a file. Use some sort of > XML or SGML markup if you want to make it fancy. :) Use LaTeX for documents! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 17 10:13:19 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (JohnnyFulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor man's CPU usage monitor Message-ID: Was googling for a way to get info about the cpu in my machine (more /proc/cpuinfo - as I found out) when I came across this: http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/om.the/web/duracell_cpumon/ made me laugh a bit! johnnyf -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Feb 17 10:51:22 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: LaTeX Q was Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux References: Message-ID: <066b01c3f576$488026d0$0201a8c0@office> my gosh ... it doesn't get any better than LaTex ... ok ok ... so it is off topic :-) ... but who would want to convert a LaTex document? :-) ... that is close to a sin I would think Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: LaTeX Q was Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux > There probably isn't much call for it, but I was > wondering if there was a converter program > from latex source to nicely formatted text. > There are html, ps, pdf, and other converters > I use already, but I just wanted to do as many > formats as possible. > > Is there a nice latex to text converter? > > Any other useful format converters? > > >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 02/16/04 04:58PM >>> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:58:15PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > wrote: > > vi is still the best way to put information into a file. Use some > sort of > > XML or SGML markup if you want to make it fancy. :) > > Use LaTeX for documents! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Feb 17 10:44:37 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: LaTeX Q was Re: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040217104437.A19145@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 09:34:08AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > There probably isn't much call for it, but I was > wondering if there was a converter program > from latex source to nicely formatted text. > There are html, ps, pdf, and other converters > I use already, but I just wanted to do as many > formats as possible. > > Is there a nice latex to text converter? The best one I have seen is hevea. It does a fairly good job of using your latex commands to create nicely formatted ASCII. It also does html, though I haven't used it for that. A much simpler (and poorer script is untex). It pretty much just rips out tags with little attempt to fix the formatting. > Any other useful format converters? There are scads of them. Postscript from dvips is the standard output format. Pdf can be generated several ways: latex -> dvi, dvips -> ps, ps2pdf -> pdf or latex -> dvi, dvipdf (or dvipdfm) -> pdf or pdflatex -> pdf There are several different prgrams that will generate html from pdf including latex2html, tth, hevea, and tex4ht. Right now I my favorite is tex4ht. There is also jadetex chich creates SGML/XML. You can also create rtf and png from latex2rtf and latex2png. These make fairly nice documents, though they know fewer latex commands than hevea or tex4ht. There are also a bunch of programs that convert into latex from other formats. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Feb 17 12:04:33 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor man's CPU usage monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403257B1.4020901@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 JohnnyFulcrum wrote: | | Was googling for a way to get info about the cpu in my machine (more | /proc/cpuinfo - as I found out) when I came across this: | | http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/om.the/web/duracell_cpumon/ | Last time I checked the 9V batteries had a seperate tester on the carton that was easily removed. Easier than unwrapping a AA anyway. In fact I think I have one in my battery drawer. Hmmmm... - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAMlewiwhv4FBqkV8RAheXAKCGmrwjOYEQZ2oumBXQWAVSPp6D1QCgvIln evVNXFCkhneKLbDuvPzSJEo= =doV3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Feb 17 14:22:56 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding Bottlenecks Message-ID: Hi all, My company has a server that has uhm... served us well for years, but we are now developing an Apache/Tomcat/PHP/MySQL application that bogs it down somewhat. (Netfinity 5000, dual PIII 550MHz, 832MB RAM, Ultra160 SCSI disks) Right now, when we use the administrative pages, one CPU gets very busy, so it's easy to see it's time for an upgrade. However, in the future, it may not be the CPU but say, disk I/O or memory bandwidth causing the slowdown. And I don't even know how to find out which might be the cause. Are those details logged? Can I use some log tracker or monitoring system to say things like this: Hey! The CPU was 100% busy for a stretch of 300 seconds, and spent 1.2% of the day at full use. Hey! There were a maximum of 12 processes waiting for disk today, and a stretch of 30 seconds with more than 1. Or can I use something like top to view disk waits, memory utilization and CPU usage? Oh and network bandwidth? Our server is behind a T1 and that may become a bottleneck too. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Tue Feb 17 14:36:09 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding Bottlenecks Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD36A5@owa.compellent.com> How do you view disk waits? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schumann Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:23 PM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] Finding Bottlenecks Hi all, My company has a server that has uhm... served us well for years, but we are now developing an Apache/Tomcat/PHP/MySQL application that bogs it down somewhat. (Netfinity 5000, dual PIII 550MHz, 832MB RAM, Ultra160 SCSI disks) Right now, when we use the administrative pages, one CPU gets very busy, so it's easy to see it's time for an upgrade. However, in the future, it may not be the CPU but say, disk I/O or memory bandwidth causing the slowdown. And I don't even know how to find out which might be the cause. Are those details logged? Can I use some log tracker or monitoring system to say things like this: Hey! The CPU was 100% busy for a stretch of 300 seconds, and spent 1.2% of the day at full use. Hey! There were a maximum of 12 processes waiting for disk today, and a stretch of 30 seconds with more than 1. Or can I use something like top to view disk waits, memory utilization and CPU usage? Oh and network bandwidth? Our server is behind a T1 and that may become a bottleneck too. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.581 / Virus Database: 368 - Release Date: 2/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.581 / Virus Database: 368 - Release Date: 2/9/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Feb 17 16:13:43 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding Bottlenecks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077056023.40329217abc0a@www.joshwelch.com> Quoting Chris Schumann : > Hi all, > My company has a server that has uhm... served us well for years, but we > are now developing an Apache/Tomcat/PHP/MySQL application that bogs it > down somewhat. > > (Netfinity 5000, dual PIII 550MHz, 832MB RAM, Ultra160 SCSI disks) > > Right now, when we use the administrative pages, one CPU gets very busy, > so it's easy to see it's time for an upgrade. > > However, in the future, it may not be the CPU but say, disk I/O or memory > bandwidth causing the slowdown. And I don't even know how to find out > which might be the cause. Are those details logged? Can I use some log > tracker or monitoring system to say things like this: > > Hey! The CPU was 100% busy for a stretch of 300 seconds, and spent 1.2% of > the day at full use. > > Hey! There were a maximum of 12 processes waiting for disk today, and a > stretch of 30 seconds with more than 1. > > Or can I use something like top to view disk waits, memory utilization and > CPU usage? Oh and network bandwidth? Our server is behind a T1 and that > may become a bottleneck too. > > Chris > Oh the fun of systems monitoring. There are a number of ways to find out what you are looking for, but I'm a fan of sar. This will give all sorts of information about I/O, cpu, memory and network utilization. I have scripts that will email me sar reports in the mornings, if someone complains about performance on a box, I look at the sar output for clues. As for your T1 link, if you get much traffic, that's pretty likely to become saturated. If you own the router, you can use mrtg to get network stats, if not you can put a linux box between the router and your network and run stats on that. HTH, Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Tue Feb 17 15:45:49 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding un-rpms on RPM distro Message-ID: <16434.35725.911879.172426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Can anyone explain how I might go about finding all the things on an RPM-based system that did NOT come from RPMs? I.e., I'd like to be able to wipe out an install and then make a new one without forgetting some key thing I liked.... Executables would be better than nothing, but if I could find fonts, etc., as well, that would be just awesome... I know I should be a better sysadmin and keep track of these things better than I do, but there you are.... Thanks! r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Tue Feb 17 16:29:21 2004 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding un-rpms on RPM distro In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. Goldman" at Feb 17, 2004 03:45:49 PM Message-ID: <200402172229.i1HMTL129825@zjod.net> Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > > Can anyone explain how I might go about finding all the things on an > RPM-based system that did NOT come from RPMs? I.e., I'd like to be > able to wipe out an install and then make a new one without forgetting > some key thing I liked.... > > Executables would be better than nothing, but if I could find fonts, > etc., as well, that would be just awesome... > > I know I should be a better sysadmin and keep track of these things > better than I do, but there you are.... > > Thanks! > r Try something like (in ksh, because I can, okay?): for i in /bin /usr/bin /lib /usr/lib /etc /sbin /usr/sbin do find $i -type f -print | while read FN do if rpm -qf $FN >/dev/null 2>&1 then echo "$FN: okay" > /dev/null else /bin/ls -lad "$FN" fi done done Oh yeah... it'll be kinda slow, too. -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Feb 17 16:52:03 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding un-rpms on RPM distro In-Reply-To: <16434.35725.911879.172426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16434.35725.911879.172426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200402171652.03686.barnabas@knicknack.net> The rpm -qf will tell you what rpm a given filename belongs to. It may also work for directories and other types of directory entries as well. The rpm command returns a 0 when the file belongs to an rpm and 1 when it does not. Just check every file on the disk (which would be slow) and you should have it. HTH, Eric On Tuesday 17 February 2004 15:45, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Can anyone explain how I might go about finding all the things on an > RPM-based system that did NOT come from RPMs? I.e., I'd like to be > able to wipe out an install and then make a new one without forgetting > some key thing I liked.... > > Executables would be better than nothing, but if I could find fonts, > etc., as well, that would be just awesome... > > I know I should be a better sysadmin and keep track of these things > better than I do, but there you are.... > > Thanks! > r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 17 17:24:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laser Printer Services Message-ID: <4032A2B4.8010008@visi.com> I need to find a good reliable laser printer service for my new gig. Someone local to the TC, western suburbs would be best. Anyone have any ideas or comments good/bad Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 17 17:22:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor man's CPU usage monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4032A24A.80109@visi.com> That is really cool. JohnnyFulcrum wrote: > > Was googling for a way to get info about the cpu in my machine (more > /proc/cpuinfo - as I found out) when I came across this: > > http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/om.the/web/duracell_cpumon/ > > made me laugh a bit! > > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Feb 17 17:37:11 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding un-rpms on RPM distro In-Reply-To: <200402171652.03686.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <16434.35725.911879.172426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200402171652.03686.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <16434.42407.280912.538147@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Thanks to both Eric and Steve for the advice. I'll have a whack. slow is ok --- I shouldn't be doing this too often! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Feb 17 21:58:07 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 9, Apache 2 and SSL Message-ID: <1381.192.168.70.198.1077076687.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Hi all ... I'm having a problem with apache 2 and ssl on a new suse 9 box. All of my virtual hosts are working properly, except the one host that is suppose to be ssl. Each virtual host is kept in a separate .conf file in /etc/apache2/vhosts.d - When I try to access https://secure.domain.com from a client machine, i get an error "Cannot find server or DNS Error" - When I try to access https://secure.domain.com:443 from a client machine, I get error "Cannot find server or DNS Error" - When I try to access http://secure.domain.com from a client machine, I get the correct page, just not with the padlock. - When I try to access http://www.domain.com from a client machine, I get the correct page and information. - When I try to access http://www.domain.com:443 from a client machine, I get the default apache web page. www.domain.com is a virtual host that listens on just port 80 secure.domain.com is a virtual host that should only be listening on 443 Anyone have any ideas? I've searched google, and have tried a number of suggestions, but still not working properly. *** On a side note, I have everything working properly on a RedHat 9 box with Apache 2. The config files are dramatically different so I couldn't copy it from one box to the new box. Thanks for any help. Jim Streit _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Wed Feb 18 07:15:31 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laser Printer Services Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B73C@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:25 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Laser Printer Services > > > I need to find a good reliable laser printer service for my new gig. > > Someone local to the TC, western suburbs would be best. > > Anyone have any ideas or comments good/bad > > Sam. > Could you elaborate, do you mean you need a company that can fix them or you want a printing service. If you want someone to fix them, we've been happy with Smith Microtech. They service the entire TC area. Here is the number (651) 482-8718 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Feb 18 08:56:51 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 9, Apache 2 and SSL Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> jimstreit@northlans.com 02/17/04 09:58PM >>> >Hi all ... >I'm having a problem with apache 2 and ssl on a new suse 9 box. All of my >virtual hosts are working properly, except the one host that is suppose to >be ssl. Each virtual host is kept in a separate .conf file in >/etc/apache2/vhosts.d I know that the init.d script file for Apache2 under SuSE does not enable SSL by default. On the other hand, I've never got it working either, but my problems are more fundamental. (i.e. I don't yet understand Apache configurations well enough to set it up) Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Feb 18 10:21:04 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails Message-ID: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> I'm getting inundated by fedora-list e-mails (as well as others). As many as 300 a day. My poor yahoo account can't keep up with only 6Mb of storage! Yes, I know I could switch to digest mode, but I like to scan over them and a digest doesn't quite cut it. Is there a way to portal this list (or others) to a Usenet group? Any decent Usenet HTML based readers (I access remotely) you can suggest? It's been a while since I played with Usenet, looks like quite a proliferation of servers & readers out there, any recommendations. (no, let's not start the qmail discuession again!) Is Usenet a lost art? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Feb 18 10:43:25 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails In-Reply-To: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040218164325.GA12702@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 10:21:04AM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I'm getting inundated by fedora-list e-mails (as well as others). As many > as 300 a day. My poor yahoo account can't keep up with only 6Mb of > storage! Yes, I know I could switch to digest mode, but I like to scan > over them and a digest doesn't quite cut it. You could run fetchyahoo from cron and download every hour or so. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Feb 18 10:39:01 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 9, Apache 2 and SSL In-Reply-To: <1381.192.168.70.198.1077076687.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <1381.192.168.70.198.1077076687.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20040218163901.GB3096@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Feb 18 10:36:38 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails In-Reply-To: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com>; from waynej@dccmn.com on Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 10:21:04AM -0600 References: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040218103638.K15807@real-time.com> On 02/18 10:21 , Wayne Johnson wrote: > Is there a way to portal this list (or others) to a Usenet group? if you're bent that way: http://gmane.org/ tho I personally think that e-mail is the best way to manage a running discussion, so long as you have a good mail client (i.e. mutt). > Any > decent Usenet HTML based readers (I access remotely) you can suggest? It's > been a while since I played with Usenet, looks like quite a proliferation > of servers & readers out there, any recommendations. pan (http://pan.rebelbase.com/). it's GUI-only at the moment; but there's been a few people prodding to have the front-end separated from the back-end, so we can attach arbitrary control tools to it (automated, GUI, curses, command-line). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Feb 18 10:54:35 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange router behaviour Message-ID: <403398CB.5080502@cdf123.com> Hey gang, I've been looking for something to explain this, and I'm coming up empty, maybe someone here knows... I was transferring some files from the office back home today and I was monitoring the ip traffic with iptraf and I noticed something strange. I was getting a lot of lines (one every 6 seconds) like this: UDP (120 bytes) from 192.168.0.1:xxxxx to 255.255.255.255:61112 on eth1 (where port xxxxx keeps incrementing) My internet setup is like this: -(dhcp) dsl router (192.168.0.1)--(192.168.0.2) Linux firewall (192.168.1.1)- My dsl router is an Actiontec Wireless Ready DSL Gateway. The linux firewall is accepting ssh, forwarding https to another machine, and snating outbound trafic. Everything else is blocked at the firewall. The dsl router has its own firewall, but it's not very flexable, it's as turned off as posible right now, so the Linux box is doing all the work. I'm pretty sure this doesn't pose a security threat or anything, I'm just curious why my dsl router is sending UDP packets to a broadcast address. Anyone have any clues? Thanks Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcojiml at iwon.com Wed Feb 18 10:49:37 2004 From: lcojiml at iwon.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails Message-ID: <20040218164937.EB01E1C79E@email.iwon.com> maybe yahoopops and thunderbird (or any MUA) would be good for what you're doing. Jim ----------------------------------- James G. Louis Information Technologist lcojiml@iwon.com http://bounce.to/bizindawishin --- On Wed 02/18, Wayne Johnson < waynej@dccmn.com > wrote: From: Wayne Johnson [mailto: waynej@dccmn.com] To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:21:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails I'm getting inundated by fedora-list e-mails (as well as others). As many
as 300 a day. My poor yahoo account can't keep up with only 6Mb of
storage! Yes, I know I could switch to digest mode, but I <\snip> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Feb 17 21:13:01 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laser Printer Services In-Reply-To: <4032A2B4.8010008@visi.com> References: <4032A2B4.8010008@visi.com> Message-ID: <1077073981.4032d83dbcdc8@joshwelch.com> Quoting Samuel MacDonald : > I need to find a good reliable laser printer service for my new gig. > > Someone local to the TC, western suburbs would be best. > > Anyone have any ideas or comments good/bad > > Sam. > We use clear north technologies, formerly known as wizmo consulting. We have all of our laser printers on a maintenance contract with them. They are in Eden Prairie, IIRC. I'm out of town for a week, but if you can't find a number for them I can dig it up when I return. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Feb 18 12:38:32 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails In-Reply-To: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> (waynej@dccmn.com) References: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200402181838.i1IIcW304022@ecstasy.winternet.com> Wayne Johnson wrote: >I'm getting inundated by fedora-list e-mails (as well as others). As many >as 300 a day. My poor yahoo account can't keep up with only 6Mb of >storage! Yes, I know I could switch to digest mode, but I like to scan >over them and a digest doesn't quite cut it. >Is there a way to portal this list (or others) to a Usenet group? Any >decent Usenet HTML based readers (I access remotely) you can suggest? It's >been a while since I played with Usenet, looks like quite a proliferation >of servers & readers out there, any recommendations. (no, let's not start >the qmail discuession again!) Perhaps the owner of the fedora-list could create a local fedora newsgroup. I don't know what list software fedora-list uses, but mailman can provide a bi-directional gateway between any mailing list it manages and any newsgroup via nntp. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Wed Feb 18 16:04:27 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3 Mutt binds for SpamAssassin, if anyone is looking ;) Message-ID: <20040218220427.GA22090@nan2d.com> Hello Mutt users ;) I was doing a lot of searching for Mutt macros for using the sa-learn program that comes with SpamAssassin. I found some, but they are very simple and incomplete. They do things right, but I came up with 3 macros that have some more automation (no ``Press enter...'', etc.) Include this in you're .muttrc file: ## NOTE: Make sure that auto-wrapping is not enabled (:set textwidth=0) before # pasting the following text in! If the macro was wrapped, Mutt will give # you errors about unknown functions, blah blah blah # All macros (macro index ...) should stay on ONE LINE ## # Pressing a key will do this in the index: # S (shift-s): Learn the message as spam; Copy message to spam mailbox; Mark the # (original) message to be deleted. # H (shift-h): Learn the message as ham (_not_ spam) # E (shift-e): Re-build the SpamAssassin database # Bind a spam macro to do this for us: # 1) Pipe the spam to sa-learn without rebuilding the database # - use loging # 2) Copy the message to the spam folder # 3) Delete the message from the original folder macro index S 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --spam --no-rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &~/Mail/spam/ set wait_key=yes' # now make another set, but for ham (not spam) messages. # tell sa-learn to learn ham message. dont delete it or move it. macro index H 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --ham --no-rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &set wait_key=yes' # a macro that tells SA to rebuild its database macro index E 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &set wait_key=yes' If you dont want to log the output of sa-learn, then remove all occurences of ``date >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log'' and ``>> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1'' If you dont want to have debug information in the output, remove the ``-D'' flag from sa-learn. All spam will be copied to ~/Mail/spam/ (a Maildir directory,) if you use a different place to store mail, shange that as neccesary. I hope that saves someone some time :) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Wed Feb 18 16:04:27 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3 Mutt binds for SpamAssassin, if anyone is looking ;) Message-ID: <20040218220427.GA22090@nan2d.com> Hello Mutt users ;) I was doing a lot of searching for Mutt macros for using the sa-learn program that comes with SpamAssassin. I found some, but they are very simple and incomplete. They do things right, but I came up with 3 macros that have some more automation (no ``Press enter...'', etc.) Include this in you're .muttrc file: ## NOTE: Make sure that auto-wrapping is not enabled (:set textwidth=0) before # pasting the following text in! If the macro was wrapped, Mutt will give # you errors about unknown functions, blah blah blah # All macros (macro index ...) should stay on ONE LINE ## # Pressing a key will do this in the index: # S (shift-s): Learn the message as spam; Copy message to spam mailbox; Mark the # (original) message to be deleted. # H (shift-h): Learn the message as ham (_not_ spam) # E (shift-e): Re-build the SpamAssassin database # Bind a spam macro to do this for us: # 1) Pipe the spam to sa-learn without rebuilding the database # - use loging # 2) Copy the message to the spam folder # 3) Delete the message from the original folder macro index S 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --spam --no-rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &~/Mail/spam/ set wait_key=yes' # now make another set, but for ham (not spam) messages. # tell sa-learn to learn ham message. dont delete it or move it. macro index H 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --ham --no-rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &set wait_key=yes' # a macro that tells SA to rebuild its database macro index E 'unset wait_keydate >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.logsa-learn --rebuild -D >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1 &set wait_key=yes' If you dont want to log the output of sa-learn, then remove all occurences of ``date >> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log'' and ``>> ~/Mail/.sa-learn.log 2>&1'' If you dont want to have debug information in the output, remove the ``-D'' flag from sa-learn. All spam will be copied to ~/Mail/spam/ (a Maildir directory,) if you use a different place to store mail, shange that as neccesary. I hope that saves someone some time :) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Wed Feb 18 20:48:09 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails In-Reply-To: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1077158888.4742.4.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> I don't know if you're interested in this solution at all, but one possible option would be to create a free account at bloglines.com (a web-based RSS news aggregator) with which you can create 'disposable' email addresses for monitoring mailing lists. Any email sent to these email addresses will then appear on bloglines as if it is a news feed from a website. It might not be quite as handy as usenet or a mail client, but it is an option. On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 10:21, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I'm getting inundated by fedora-list e-mails (as well as others). As many > as 300 a day. My poor yahoo account can't keep up with only 6Mb of > storage! Yes, I know I could switch to digest mode, but I like to scan > over them and a digest doesn't quite cut it. > > Is there a way to portal this list (or others) to a Usenet group? Any > decent Usenet HTML based readers (I access remotely) you can suggest? It's > been a while since I played with Usenet, looks like quite a proliferation > of servers & readers out there, any recommendations. (no, let's not start > the qmail discuession again!) > > Is Usenet a lost art? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathon Jongsma _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Feb 18 21:21:32 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inundated by fedora-list e-mails References: <29507.67.107.38.35.1077121264.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <001401c3f697$78e6ebc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Wayne Johnson writes: > Any decent Usenet HTML based readers (I access remotely) Google Groups -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 19 07:52:37 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding un-rpms on RPM distro References: <16434.35725.911879.172426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <4034BFA5.2070005@structural-wood.com> Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Can anyone explain how I might go about finding all the things on an > RPM-based system that did NOT come from RPMs? I.e., I'd like to be > able to wipe out an install and then make a new one without forgetting > some key thing I liked.... > find / -type f | xargs -l rpm -qf | grep "not owned" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Feb 19 17:06:34 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Groupwise Beta? Message-ID: Has anybody here installed the new groupwise beta from Novel for Linux? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Thu Feb 19 18:33:23 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Groupwise Beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I signed up for the Beta program and found out that, rather than being a GroupWise client, it was just a different interface to the web server. The webmail server was required, and there were server requirements in order to run it. Like further xml documents that you had to give you your administrator to put on the server. It ticked me off so I shared my feedback and then didn't follow up on it again. It could have changed since then..... anyone else know? On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > Has anybody here installed the new groupwise beta from Novel for Linux? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Feb 19 19:45:01 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question Message-ID: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm planning on compiling a kernel tonight. This is my second attempt at doing so, last time having completely botched it. This is an older box, so if I mess it up, I'm not too worried. I'm curious as to how to get the current kernel parameters? I tried to do a strings against vmlinuz, but the output is pretty crappy. I'd like to have this information for comparisons. I'm not puling a new kernel down, just want to modify options within this one to optimize it (CPU, network, SCSI, etc...) and see if I can recompile a kernel successfuly this time. I've got the steps to do it, but just now sure of how to get the current kernel info now. If I do a lsmod, it only shows the modules loaded. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Thu Feb 19 20:35:16 2004 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: If you are lucky you can get the current parameters from /boot/config-[kernel version]. Otherwise, take note of your filesystems and hardware, and if in doubt say "yes". On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > I'm planning on compiling a kernel tonight. This is my second attempt > at doing so, last time having completely botched it. This is an older > box, so if I mess it up, I'm not too worried. > > I'm curious as to how to get the current kernel parameters? I tried > to do a strings against vmlinuz, but the output is pretty crappy. I'd > like to have this information for comparisons. I'm not puling a new > kernel down, just want to modify options within this one to optimize > it (CPU, network, SCSI, etc...) and see if I can recompile a kernel > successfuly this time. > > I've got the steps to do it, but just now sure of how to get the > current kernel info now. If I do a lsmod, it only shows the modules > loaded. > > -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Feb 19 20:41:23 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 07:45:01PM -0600 References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040219204123.A31676@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > I'm planning on compiling a kernel tonight. This is my second attempt > at doing so, last time having completely botched it. This is an older > box, so if I mess it up, I'm not too worried. > I'm curious as to how to get the current kernel parameters? I tried > to do a strings against vmlinuz, but the output is pretty crappy. I'd > like to have this information for comparisons. I'm not puling a new > kernel down, just want to modify options within this one to optimize > it (CPU, network, SCSI, etc...) and see if I can recompile a kernel > successfuly this time. If you've compiled a kernel before, you should still have a file called /usr/src/linux/.config that contains the kernel config (assuming you built your kernel in the "standard place", eg /usr/src/linux). On debian systems, the config is part of the kernel-image- pkg and ends up under /boot/config- -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Feb 19 20:58:05 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219204123.A31676@thinkunix.net> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040219204123.A31676@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040219205805.25422f02.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:41:23 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > If you've compiled a kernel before, you should still have a file > called/usr/src/linux/.config that contains the kernel config > (assuming you built your kernel in the "standard place", eg > /usr/src/linux). > > On debian systems, the config is part of the kernel-image- > pkg and ends up under /boot/config- Thanks Scot, and Daniel for the info. I thought there was a flat file, but couldn't recall what it was. I was thinking vmlinuz... No, haven't compiled before, it's the default one that comes with Slackware on base install. I want to see if I can compile it right and take advantage of specifying the correct CPU, chipset, etc... /boot/config-version is where it's at also on Slack. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Feb 19 21:05:51 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Groupwise Beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well this appears to be a full blown java client. It's a giant 300+MB package that includes a server, admin plugins for console one, etc as well as the client. I only installed the client, and I can't get it to connect to our GW6.0 servers. But it looks neat. -d On Feb 19, 2004, at 6:33 PM, Gerry wrote: > I signed up for the Beta program and found out that, rather than being > a > GroupWise client, it was just a different interface to the web server. > The > webmail server was required, and there were server requirements in > order to > run it. Like further xml documents that you had to give you your > administrator to put on the server. It ticked me off so I shared my > feedback > and then didn't follow up on it again. > > It could have changed since then..... > anyone else know? > > > > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > >> Has anybody here installed the new groupwise beta from Novel for >> Linux? > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker@tcfreenet.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Feb 19 21:23:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question Message-ID: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> Is anyone interested in Cisco HUBs? I have access to around 2 dozen I haven't inventoried them I don't even know the model at this point. I believe they are 12 port 10 megabit with 2 port 100 megabit. They're stackable as well. They would be around $5 bucks each. I don't want to bring them home if there isn't any interest ;-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Feb 19 21:26:44 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> (message from Shawn on Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:45:01 -0600) References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200402200326.i1K3QiR23311@ecstasy.winternet.com> Shawn wrote: >I'm curious as to how to get the current kernel parameters? I tried >to do a strings against vmlinuz, but the output is pretty crappy. I'd >like to have this information for comparisons. I'm not pulling a new >kernel down, just want to modify options within this one to optimize >it (CPU, network, SCSI, etc...) and see if I can recompile a kernel >successfully this time. You want the /usr/src//.config file used to build your kernel. If this file doesn't exist, it will be copied from /usr/src//arch//defconfig as an initial step in building a new kernel. The above is true of all Linux distributions. Various distributions store the .config file used to build distribution kernel images in different files, although /boot is often used as can be seen in the following examples: Debian: /boot/config- Red Hat: /boot/config- /usr/src/linux-/configs/kernel-* Slack: /boot/config SuSE: /boot/vmlinuz.config Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Feb 19 21:17:57 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shawn wrote: | I'm planning on compiling a kernel tonight. This is my second | attempt at doing so, last time having completely botched it. This | is an older box, so if I mess it up, I'm not too worried. | | I'm curious as to how to get the current kernel parameters? I | tried to do a strings against vmlinuz, but the output is pretty | crappy. I'd like to have this information for comparisons. I'm | not puling a new kernel down, just want to modify options within | this one to optimize it (CPU, network, SCSI, etc...) and see if I | can recompile a kernel successfuly this time. | | I've got the steps to do it, but just now sure of how to get the | current kernel info now. If I do a lsmod, it only shows the | modules loaded. | You can check your /boot filesystem for a config file of the current kernel and just copy it to your top-level build directory as .config. Newer kernels allow you to build this into the kernel itself as well. You can get the info by reading /proc/config.gz (this only works if the kernel was, in fact, built with this enabled). - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFANXxliwhv4FBqkV8RAjPEAKC0xBP+7OR7k/8L9kKk1pt0kglm7gCfU/4E eShLSsULbk0MqN2JKqwrrMI= =6IEq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Thu Feb 19 21:26:10 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (dave) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219205805.25422f02.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040219204123.A31676@thinkunix.net> <20040219205805.25422f02.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <40357E52.10800@esox.us> Shawn wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:41:23 -0600 > Scot Jenkins wrote: > > >>If you've compiled a kernel before, you should still have a file >>called/usr/src/linux/.config that contains the kernel config >>(assuming you built your kernel in the "standard place", eg >>/usr/src/linux). >> >>On debian systems, the config is part of the kernel-image- >>pkg and ends up under /boot/config- > > > Thanks Scot, and Daniel for the info. I thought there was a flat > file, but couldn't recall what it was. I was thinking vmlinuz... > > No, haven't compiled before, it's the default one that comes with > Slackware on base install. I want to see if I can compile it right > and take advantage of specifying the correct CPU, chipset, etc... > > /boot/config-version is where it's at also on Slack. > > how about: make oldconfig? isn't that the best way to do it? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Thu Feb 19 21:38:21 2004 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <40357E52.10800@esox.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, dave wrote: > > how about: make oldconfig? isn't that the best way to do it? > Only once you have .config in place. With 2.6 it is obsolete anyway I think. -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Feb 19 22:08:04 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:17:57 -0600 The Wandering Dru wrote: > You can check your /boot filesystem for a config file of the current > kernel and just copy it to your top-level build directory as > .config. Newer kernels allow you to build this into the kernel > itself as well. You can get the info by reading /proc/config.gz > (this only works if the kernel was, in fact, built with this > enabled). > Kernel compiling now with the "make dep" command... Just out of curiosity, if there's a .config file in the /usr/src/linux directory anything that is either enabled or loaded as a module will be checked the next time I recompile the kernel? Or, when I do the "make mrproper" will that negate those choices? Also, which is better: A kernel with loadable modules, or a kernel with as few of modules as possible but kernel subsets enabled for specific devices? I'm thinking it's the second one, but am unsure. Thoughts? Or is that still undecided and up for heated debate? Thanks for the information everyone. You'd think this P-166 w/128 MB ram could recompile the kernel faster.... =P -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Feb 19 22:28:17 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:08:04PM -0600 References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040219222817.A28596@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > Kernel compiling now with the "make dep" command... Just out of > curiosity, if there's a .config file in the /usr/src/linux directory > anything that is either enabled or loaded as a module will be checked > the next time I recompile the kernel? Or, when I do the "make > mrproper" will that negate those choices? "make mrproper" will wipe out any changes you had in your .config; I think it reverts back to using the default one that comes with the kernel source. > Also, which is better: A kernel with loadable modules, or a kernel > with as few of modules as possible but kernel subsets enabled for > specific devices? I'm thinking it's the second one, but am unsure. depends on what you're doing with the system. for a firewall, definitely use a monolithic kernel (no modules) and put as little as possible into the kernel. for a laptop, make it all modular as unloading modules frees up memory, although since 2.2.x kernels and up, unused modules don't automatically unload anymore. they used to after a minute of non-use under 2.0.x kernels, back in the good old days. I never understood why the newer kernels don't unload the unused modules. > Thanks for the information everyone. You'd think this P-166 w/128 MB > ram could recompile the kernel faster.... =P ouch! if you're building a 2.4.x kernel, it will take a while. You can compile a kernel on a faster system and just move it over to save time. I've done this in the past and it works great. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 19 22:52:57 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Groupwise Beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1821.68.112.123.230.1077252777.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I only installed the client, and I can't get it to connect to our GW6.0 > servers. But it looks neat. What error message are you getting? I'm also trying to connect to a 6.0 server with no luck. The error I'm getting is bad user/password, which I know to be correct. I'm trying to nmap my server to make sure port 1677 is open, but bordermanager skews the results of nmap. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Feb 19 22:49:16 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219222817.A28596@thinkunix.net> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040219222817.A28596@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040219224916.40ed0de3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:28:17 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > "make mrproper" will wipe out any changes you had in your .config; > I think it reverts back to using the default one that comes with the > kernel source. > Yeah, I missed that little caveat on the instructions. Oh well. Next time I'll know I can skip that step. > depends on what you're doing with the system. for a firewall, > definitely use a monolithic kernel (no modules) and put as little as > possible into the kernel. for a laptop, make it all modular as > unloading modules frees up memory, although since 2.2.x kernels and > up, unused modules don't automatically unload anymore. they used to > after a minute of non-use under 2.0.x kernels, back in the good old > days. I never understood why the newer kernels don't unload the > unused modules. > Desktop, server, etc primarily. If it's going to be a static system where very little is going to change in terms of hardware, even for a laptop, I think the monolithic kernel (thanks for the descriptor) would be better. Even if the modules do unload, I'd rather not have them if not needed. > ouch! if you're building a 2.4.x kernel, it will take a while. You > can compile a kernel on a faster system and just move it over to > save time. I've done this in the past and it works great. Yeah, 2.4 kernel. Actually, 2.4.18... I know it's got security vulnerabilities, but it's getting wiped out this weekend, so I don't care. Maybe it'll be done by tomorrow morning when I wake up. ;) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Feb 19 22:54:04 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG Meeting THIS SATURDAY: NIS/NFS/Samba In-Reply-To: <1772.156.99.116.45.1077227594.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1772.156.99.116.45.1077227594.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1062.192.168.70.198.1077252844.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Can I get notes from someone who goes. > Just a reminder, this Saturday is the next SCALUG meeting. Meeting > starts at 3:00 at Miller Auto in St. Cloud. Tom Cross will be talking > about doing cool things with NIS, NFS, and Samba. Should be fun, check > out all the info: > > http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/12/1618208&mode=thread > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Feb 19 23:14:02 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> (message from Shawn on Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:08:04 -0600) References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200402200514.i1K5E2324580@ecstasy.winternet.com> Shawn wrote: >Kernel compiling now with the "make dep" command... Just out of >curiosity, if there's a .config file in the /usr/src/linux directory >anything that is either enabled or loaded as a module will be checked >the next time I recompile the kernel? The .config file will determine what options are used if "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" are not run to change them (or .config is not modified by an editor). >Or, when I do the "make mrproper" will that negate those choices? "make mrproper" will delete .config and the .config will be copied from /usr/src//arch//defconfig when one next builds a kernel. >Also, which is better: A kernel with loadable modules, or a kernel >with as few of modules as possible but kernel subsets enabled for >specific devices? I'm thinking it's the second one, but am unsure. A kernel with everything possible being a loadable module is best. The root filesystem must be statically compiled into the kernel unless an initrd (/ filesystem in RAM) is loaded for the kernel so it can load all modules needed prior mounting the real / (on the hard drive) filesystem. If an initrd is included, many parts of the kernel that would normally be statically linked can be built as a loadable module. For example, the reiserfs is very large so it is very nice to have it be a loadable module. You can have a reiserfs root and reiserfs module, but only if an initrd is included (the initrd is typically either cramfs or ext2). Having an LVM root is only possible via an initrd, since the userland programs must be run before an LVM logical volume can be activated. Even without an initrd, almost anything that can be loaded as a module will work fine that way. The biggest exception is the filesystem that is used for / must be statically linked to the kernel (as mentioned above). >Thanks for the information everyone. You'd think this P-166 w/128 MB >ram could recompile the kernel faster.... =P It might take a few hours. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Feb 19 22:55:31 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1856627936.20040219225531@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, February 19, 2004 @ 11:02:59 PM Central Standard Time S> You'd think this P-166 w/128 MB S> ram could recompile the kernel faster.... =P I'm not sure if you have any interest or not, but here are my notes from compiling 2.6.2 on a slackware box. http://b-o-b.homelinux.com/projects/deathstar2/index.html#compile-262 Adios, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Feb 19 23:17:05 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > Also, which is better: A kernel with loadable modules, or a kernel > with as few of modules as possible but kernel subsets enabled for > specific devices? I'm thinking it's the second one, but am unsure. personally i enable as many modules as i can except that is needed to boot the system (devfs, ext3, fb and the like) yes a monolithic kernel is smaller, but who cares? at most its maybe 50 megs, thats $.5 in todays harddrive prices. the advantage of modularized kernels far outweighs the size or the kernel. lets say your intel eepro network card dies. you simply swap it out for whatever else you have in your parts-bin on my laptop i have every concievable USB/pcmcia/parport module compiled, why? because you never know when you will come across itemX that you want to work with. also another advantage of modularized kernels is that you can unload and reload the module to add support for hotadded items, such as scsi devices. of course this does not work if you want to reload oyur adaptec drivers while the bootdevice is on said adaptor. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Thu Feb 19 23:27:17 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question In-Reply-To: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> References: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> Message-ID: <40359AB5.5020704@jentges.NET> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Is anyone interested in Cisco HUBs? > If they're actually $5/ea, I'll take 4 if you decide to bring them home or want to take the time. :) -mj > I have access to around 2 dozen I haven't inventoried them > I don't even know the model at this point. > > I believe they are 12 port 10 megabit with 2 port 100 megabit. > They're stackable as well. > > They would be around $5 bucks each. > > I don't want to bring them home if there isn't any interest ;-) > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Thu Feb 19 23:52:34 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest? Message-ID: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Wondering when we can have our next installfest - I'm going to check with my college (Brown College) and see if they'd let us use it some day, don't know though...private college, but I'll see what I can do. (Two campuses, Mendota Heights and Brooklyn Center - I'm at Brooklyn Center) Otherwise, what other options do we have? I'm getting desperate for my Linux fix again - I don't have any boxes running right now, as my desktop won't run with Mandrake 9.2 out of the box (only current distro on hand, slowly dling Fedora DVD via Bittorrent at college) due to my 9600xt not being in XFree's september release :( Anybody open? I know the Toro place worked well, as well as the ACM meet...let's hear your ideas. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Feb 20 00:13:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest? In-Reply-To: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4035A579.6030905@visi.com> I'm an alumni maybe I can help get a room. Sam. K B wrote: >Wondering when we can have our next installfest - I'm going to check with my college (Brown College) and see if they'd let us use it some day, don't know though...private college, but I'll see what I can do. (Two campuses, Mendota Heights and Brooklyn Center - I'm at Brooklyn Center) > >Otherwise, what other options do we have? > >I'm getting desperate for my Linux fix again - I don't have any boxes running right now, as my desktop won't run with Mandrake 9.2 out of the box (only current distro on hand, slowly dling Fedora DVD via Bittorrent at college) due to my 9600xt not being in XFree's september release :( > >Anybody open? I know the Toro place worked well, as well as the ACM meet...let's hear your ideas. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Feb 20 00:27:09 2004 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Knowledge Base In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402200027.09739@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 05 February 2004 10:25 am, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > "PostIt" notes piled up on your desk? > > Or did you want one that works? Brain? Check out request trackers plugins. google: request tracker home page -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Feb 20 00:25:43 2004 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archives In-Reply-To: <098701c3eaa2$6ac93a80$020a0a0a@DELL2> References: <098701c3eaa2$6ac93a80$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <200402200025.43536@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 03 February 2004 04:09 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > I may have missed someone else talking about this, but the archives have > not changed since January 19th Looks like cron died and I'm just now reading tclug-list :-0 Should send mail to support@real-time.com if you find problems like this in the future. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Thu Feb 19 21:15:40 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040220031539.GB4836@dad1> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:08:04PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > Kernel compiling now with the "make dep" command... Just out of > curiosity, if there's a .config file in the /usr/src/linux directory > anything that is either enabled or loaded as a module will be checked > the next time I recompile the kernel? Or, when I do the "make > mrproper" will that negate those choices? Put your .config file in a cool dry place. make mrproper deletes it, and you can put a lot of effort getting a .config file right. Also, edit the Makefile each time and add an incrementing tag: EXTRAVERSION =-sf1 That helps avoid writing over the top of the last kernel modules installed in /lib/modules/version-xxx and gives you your own version tag. > Also, which is better: A kernel with loadable modules, or a kernel > with as few of modules as possible but kernel subsets enabled for > specific devices? I'm thinking it's the second one, but am unsure. > Thoughts? Or is that still undecided and up for heated debate? Generally, modules are preferable. Any hardware required to mount your root fs can be nice to have compiled in, otherwise you need to use a initrd.img's, like distros generally do. They want to make a generic one size fits all kernel that can boot to any fs. So if you use ext3, ext2 fs, then compile those in too so you aren't forced to use an initrd to boot to them. Probably best to use your distro's config file as a starting point. A goal of mine lately has been to learn to build or tweak an initrd, why you ask? Because you can easily get carried away compiling custom kernels, before you know it you've got many machines, all with different kernel configs, and you've spent too much time compiling kernels. You start thinking, hmmm, those guys making the distro's one size fit all kernels and initrds aren't so stupid. I want a lean mean initrd, nothing that requires gobs of RAM. RedHat has an interesting one, uses dash, compiled with dietlibc, to avoid the huge bloat of /lib/glibc. dietlibc is neat, you compile like this: diet gcc prog.c -o prog And it spits out a nice small prog with no dependencies. One of my pet peaves is the live-cds, boot disks, that all require GOBS of ram(for big initrd's), making them useless on older machines. When knoppixs boots on a 128MB machine and says I don't have enough ram that makes me mad(I know, I can boot without the gui). When I was a kid, we had full length ISA cards and had to press in $1000 worth of 16 pin chips to get a few meg of ram, geez. That was before static electricity was invented(or patended)! Ops, I better shut up or I'll get all the old people on the list talking about ancient hardware... Some grampa's probably gonna describe weaving their own core memories with magnetic donuts(Mmmmm, donuts). What I want is an initrd that is small(fits on a diskette w/kernel) can be adjusted to boot most fs and/or IDE-CDROM, NFS or USB roots and is easy enough to adjust or configure. Anyone seen such a thing? > Thanks for the information everyone. You'd think this P-166 w/128 MB > ram could recompile the kernel faster.... =P > > -- > Shawn > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 20 05:58:07 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040220055807.13e5e1e3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:05 -0600 (CST) Munir Nassar wrote: > yes a monolithic kernel is smaller, but who cares? > at most its maybe 50 megs, thats $.5 in todays harddrive prices. > > the advantage of modularized kernels far outweighs the size or the > kernel. > > also another advantage of modularized kernels is that you can unload > and reload the module to add support for hotadded items, such as > scsi devices. of course this does not work if you want to reload > oyur adaptec drivers while the bootdevice is on said adaptor. > I wasn't specifically talking about size of the kernel, but that is an important bit as well. I was thinking more along the lines of memory utilization by the kernel. If the kernel requires too much memory to run, you degrade the overall performance of the system. On a system where I'd be using hot-swap devices, or a "test box" so to speak, I'd load things as a module. But I was thinking that a monolithic kernel that was built for that specific machine that won't be using hot plug/swap devices shouldn't need them loaded. Why waste resources to load or run a module or part of the kernel when it's never going to be used? Regardless of the amount of memory or CPU available to the system. If you're trying to optimize a system, you want to have everything set correctly. >From what I've seen on my different systems, with different processors/memory/HW configs, there's almost always a default of i686 even on the Athlon processors, as well as modules loaded I'm never going to use. I'd rather have the kernel tuned for the correct processor, and eliminate part of the kernel that I'm never going to use. Sure, it won't hurt anything to run the default kernel, I've been doing it for quite a few years. Just now do I have the itch to want to optimize the kernel. Of course, that leads to many different kernels as someone (Karl?) mentioned. But, to me right now that isn't an issue. Besides, I administer close to 40 HP-UX and Tru64 boxes at work that are for the most part running custom built kernels per the use and load of each particular box. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Feb 20 06:47:57 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question In-Reply-To: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> References: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040220124757.GB19480@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:23:11PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Is anyone interested in Cisco HUBs? > > I have access to around 2 dozen I haven't inventoried them > I don't even know the model at this point. > > I believe they are 12 port 10 megabit with 2 port 100 megabit. > They're stackable as well. > > They would be around $5 bucks each. > > I don't want to bring them home if there isn't any interest ;-) > > Sam. > I'll take two. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Feb 20 08:01:44 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG Meeting THIS SATURDAY: NIS/NFS/Samba In-Reply-To: <1062.192.168.70.198.1077252844.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <1772.156.99.116.45.1077227594.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1062.192.168.70.198.1077252844.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <3964.156.99.116.45.1077285704.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Can I get notes from someone who goes. Tom Cross will be giving me notes and slides after the meeting. Once I have them posted, I'll post to TCLUG. Sounds like a lot of TCLUG'ers are interested, who's planning on coming? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Feb 20 08:53:53 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question In-Reply-To: <40357D9F.7040404@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Is anyone interested in Cisco HUBs? If they're hubs, I'll pass. If they're switches, I'm interested in probably at least two. :) And dangit! I gotta pick get that other stuff from you. :P Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Feb 20 08:53:35 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:17 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kernel question > the advantage of modularized kernels far outweighs the size > or the kernel. > > lets say your intel eepro network card dies. you simply swap > it out for > whatever else you have in your parts-bin > > on my laptop i have every concievable USB/pcmcia/parport > module compiled, > why? because you never know when you will come across itemX > that you want > to work with. In this vein, if you modularized everything and you get a new USB device, all you have to do is change your kernel config, add it as a module, make modules modules_install and you're golden. Or if you get rid of a USB device, you can either just unload the module, or remove it from the config for next time you compile your modules, so that'll be one less thing to compile (which really matters on a Pentium-class computer, not so much on antyhing faster than 400 MHz or so.) You can also add or remove file system support as you see fit; there's no sense in having SAMBA support compiled in if you only rarely access or provide SMB shares. So load the module, mount/create the share, do what you must, unmount & unload. As has been said, with most newer computers and the gobs of ram in them, a meg or three makes no difference in the end. But you can do more maintenance on the system without rebooting. (uptime!) And don't forget a meg or three for a number of different modules can add up. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQDYfb9RLIBm9yjm3EQJz+QCfUcc9iGSHuhR14Dv6I5nHJxqEfGkAoKif 5NlY/8yHlKs/Xl0+e7h+mBvl =Rr6u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Fri Feb 20 10:19:08 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question Message-ID: The Linux kernel uses a hook-type memory management for modules. The only overhead for a modular kernel is this "hook" which is very small (a few bytes or a few Kbytes, I'm really not sure). This is added when you say you want a modular kernel in the config file. This is the overhead that you are concerned about. A modular kernel with modules X, Y, and Z will be ever so slightly bigger than a monolithic kernel with X, Y, and Z. By having a modular kernel you are not increasing your kernel's necessary RAM or changing the optimization but you are giving yourself the opportunity to modify your kernel on the fly. This is one of the best feature of the Linux kernel. I would be very careful when not using it. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:58 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kernel question On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:05 -0600 (CST) Munir Nassar wrote: > yes a monolithic kernel is smaller, but who cares? > at most its maybe 50 megs, thats $.5 in todays harddrive prices. > > the advantage of modularized kernels far outweighs the size or the > kernel. > > also another advantage of modularized kernels is that you can unload > and reload the module to add support for hotadded items, such as > scsi devices. of course this does not work if you want to reload > oyur adaptec drivers while the bootdevice is on said adaptor. > I wasn't specifically talking about size of the kernel, but that is an important bit as well. I was thinking more along the lines of memory utilization by the kernel. If the kernel requires too much memory to run, you degrade the overall performance of the system. On a system where I'd be using hot-swap devices, or a "test box" so to speak, I'd load things as a module. But I was thinking that a monolithic kernel that was built for that specific machine that won't be using hot plug/swap devices shouldn't need them loaded. Why waste resources to load or run a module or part of the kernel when it's never going to be used? Regardless of the amount of memory or CPU available to the system. If you're trying to optimize a system, you want to have everything set correctly. >From what I've seen on my different systems, with different processors/memory/HW configs, there's almost always a default of i686 even on the Athlon processors, as well as modules loaded I'm never going to use. I'd rather have the kernel tuned for the correct processor, and eliminate part of the kernel that I'm never going to use. Sure, it won't hurt anything to run the default kernel, I've been doing it for quite a few years. Just now do I have the itch to want to optimize the kernel. Of course, that leads to many different kernels as someone (Karl?) mentioned. But, to me right now that isn't an issue. Besides, I administer close to 40 HP-UX and Tru64 boxes at work that are for the most part running custom built kernels per the use and load of each particular box. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Feb 20 10:23:44 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest? Message-ID: I've been thinking of holding another at Toro, just need to work out a time (and motivation). I'll keep everyone posted. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 02/19/04 11:52PM >>> Wondering when we can have our next installfest - I'm going to check with my college (Brown College) and see if they'd let us use it some day, don't know though...private college, but I'll see what I can do. (Two campuses, Mendota Heights and Brooklyn Center - I'm at Brooklyn Center) Otherwise, what other options do we have? I'm getting desperate for my Linux fix again - I don't have any boxes running right now, as my desktop won't run with Mandrake 9.2 out of the box (only current distro on hand, slowly dling Fedora DVD via Bittorrent at college) due to my 9600xt not being in XFree's september release :( Anybody open? I know the Toro place worked well, as well as the ACM meet...let's hear your ideas. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Feb 20 10:41:05 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest? In-Reply-To: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200402201041.05637.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 19 February 2004 11:52 pm, K B wrote: > Wondering when we can have our next installfest - I'm going to check with > my college (Brown College) and see if they'd let us use it some day, don't > know though...private college, but I'll see what I can do. (Two campuses, > Mendota Heights and Brooklyn Center - I'm at Brooklyn Center) > > Otherwise, what other options do we have? > > I'm getting desperate for my Linux fix again - I don't have any boxes > running right now, as my desktop won't run with Mandrake 9.2 out of the box > (only current distro on hand, slowly dling Fedora DVD via Bittorrent at > college) due to my 9600xt not being in XFree's september release :( > > Anybody open? I know the Toro place worked well, as well as the ACM > meet...let's hear your ideas. I might be able to organize one at Dunwoody in the new NEICenter area. I know our Department Director has wanted to do this in the past. The issue may be time. I think the building is only open until 2:30PM on Saturdays. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 20 07:23:39 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040220055807.13e5e1e3.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040220055807.13e5e1e3.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Shawn wrote: > I wasn't specifically talking about size of the kernel, but that is an > important bit as well. I was thinking more along the lines of memory > utilization by the kernel. If the kernel requires too much memory to > run, you degrade the overall performance of the system. modular kernels dont use the memory until the module is loaded, there is no wasted memory. or at the very least memory utilization by either method is almost the same. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 20 10:48:21 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba v3 on RHEL 3 Message-ID: <20040220104821.05084a3f.sfertch@real-time.com> Has anyone gotten Samba v3 to work on RHEL ES 3 when joining a Windows 200x Active Directory domain? I've been trying to get this to work, and I spent half of yesterday and a couple of hours this morning googling, modifying files, net joining all with no success. I've got a call into Red Hat, but haven't had any response yet. So far, I've found about 4 or 5 different ways to do this, all of which doesn't appear to be working. Of all the stuff I've found, it looks like it's making Kerberos authentication calls, and may possibly have to work with winbindd. Suggestions, or a link to a website that has a step-by-step HOWTO? Thanks. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 20 11:10:09 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040220111009.5092ed68.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks for the clarification on kernel modules and memory usage everyone. I understand what the kernel modules are for, and how to use them, but was concerned about memory usage. One question on the modules though, if a module is enabled, but unused does that pose more of a security risk than a monolithic kernel where the modules are not compiled in? I'll be loading things as modules primarily, but was curious about security aspects. Scot had mentioned about not compiling modules in and using a monolithic kernel if I understood it correctly on something such as a firewall. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Feb 20 11:32:18 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue Message-ID: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> I've got an annoying little problem. I've installed Mozilla 1.6 on a RH9 box running gnome. I can't open two instances of the the browser. When I try I get a window "Select User Profile" asking me to select one. There is one available profile "default" which is just fine with me. I select it and I get an error "Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because it is in use. Please choose another profile or create a new one." It seems when I run /use/local/mozilla/mozilla it opens a whole new session when what I want is a new window. I can open new windows using the same "default" profile by right clicking a link and selecting "open link in new window" so how can I do the same from the command line? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Feb 20 04:51:38 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Groupwise Beta? In-Reply-To: <1821.68.112.123.230.1077252777.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1821.68.112.123.230.1077252777.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <4035E6BA.2010106@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Ditto here. I tried logging stuff but it was difficult. Okay this is good, I'm glad this isn't an isolated incident. Brian wrote: >>I only installed the client, and I can't get it to connect to our GW6.0 >>servers. But it looks neat. >> >> > >What error message are you getting? I'm also trying to connect to a 6.0 >server with no luck. > >The error I'm getting is bad user/password, which I know to be correct. >I'm trying to nmap my server to make sure port 1677 is open, but >bordermanager skews the results of nmap. > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Feb 20 04:54:08 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> References: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4035E750.6080903@edenpr.k12.mn.us> I made this script, it opens in a new tab instead, it works for me in KDE (and I've used similar in gnome). Just change firebird to your mozilla bin and you should be good to go. #!/bin/sh mozilla-firebird -remote "openURL($@, new-tab)" || exec mozilla-firebird "$@"; Tom Penney wrote: >I've got an annoying little problem. I've installed Mozilla 1.6 on a RH9 >box running gnome. I can't open two instances of the the browser. When I >try I get a window "Select User Profile" asking me to select one. There >is one available profile "default" which is just fine with me. I select >it and I get an error "Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because >it is in use. Please choose another profile or create a new one." It >seems when I run /use/local/mozilla/mozilla it opens a whole new session >when what I want is a new window. I can open new windows using the same >"default" profile by right clicking a link and selecting "open link in >new window" so how can I do the same from the command line? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Fri Feb 20 04:56:21 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE default browser Message-ID: <4035E7D5.2080404@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Does anybody here use something other than Konqueror for a default browser in KDE? I'm trying to stick with Firebird, but I run nto problems, when clicking on links in KDE apps like KNewsTicker. KNewsTicker will open firebird, but it'll end up opening some cache file in /var/tmp/kdecache-username/krun/ which is fine for cache files that are .html but firebird is confused with .pl and .php cache files. What I'd ideally want is it to open up the actual web page like Konq does. thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Feb 20 11:58:13 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> References: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <40364AB5.3060606@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tom Penney wrote: | I've got an annoying little problem. I've installed Mozilla 1.6 on a RH9 | box running gnome. I can't open two instances of the the browser. When I | try I get a window "Select User Profile" asking me to select one. There | is one available profile "default" which is just fine with me. I select | it and I get an error "Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because | it is in use. Please choose another profile or create a new one." It | seems when I run /use/local/mozilla/mozilla it opens a whole new session | when what I want is a new window. I can open new windows using the same | "default" profile by right clicking a link and selecting "open link in | new window" so how can I do the same from the command line? | Not really from command line, but I use the Ctrl+n keyboard shortcut to open a new window. Actually, I use Ctrl+t more often. I love tabs. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFANkq1iwhv4FBqkV8RAvBsAJ9lJe+Kd+csPRi2tChn+uWAc/o+qACgh45A 5URRwbI6t5v7FMTCzZv7T9A= =m/0v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Feb 20 12:25:51 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue References: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> <40364AB5.3060606@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <4036512F.1060306@structural-wood.com> The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tom Penney wrote: > > | I've got an annoying little problem. I've installed Mozilla 1.6 on a RH9 > | box running gnome. I can't open two instances of the the browser. When I > | try I get a window "Select User Profile" asking me to select one. There > | is one available profile "default" which is just fine with me. I select > | it and I get an error "Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because > | it is in use. Please choose another profile or create a new one." It > | seems when I run /use/local/mozilla/mozilla it opens a whole new session > | when what I want is a new window. I can open new windows using the same > | "default" profile by right clicking a link and selecting "open link in > | new window" so how can I do the same from the command line? > | > > Not really from command line, but I use the Ctrl+n keyboard shortcut to > open a new window. Actually, I use Ctrl+t more often. I love tabs. > At home I've got X-Terminals, computers with shared /home directories, and computers with that run mozilla remotely (via ssh -X). Mozilla does not handle this situation at all well, nor do Gnome applications. Older applications (admittedly less powerful) handled this pretty well, mostly because configurations were largely read only. Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Feb 20 12:31:08 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <4035E750.6080903@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> <4035E750.6080903@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1077301868.2489.87.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 04:54, Dave Dash wrote: > I made this script, it opens in a new tab instead, it works for me in > KDE (and I've used similar in gnome). > > Just change firebird to your mozilla bin and you should be good to go. > > #!/bin/sh > mozilla-firebird -remote "openURL($@, new-tab)" || > exec mozilla-firebird "$@"; This works great. Thanks! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Feb 20 13:12:00 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla issue In-Reply-To: <40364AB5.3060606@druswanderings.net> References: <1077298337.2489.76.camel@lotsa> <40364AB5.3060606@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1077301872.2489.90.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 11:58, The Wandering Dru wrote: > > Not really from command line, but I use the Ctrl+n keyboard shortcut to > open a new window. Actually, I use Ctrl+t more often. I love tabs. This is good but my problems happen when I click a http link in another application. I need a command to enter into my preferences for my default web browser. The tabs are actually better, tabs or windows work for me. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Feb 20 13:15:27 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040220111009.5092ed68.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 11:10:09AM -0600 References: <20040220111009.5092ed68.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040220131527.A7013@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > One question on the modules though, if a module is enabled, but > unused does that pose more of a security risk than a monolithic kernel > where the modules are not compiled in? > I'll be loading things as modules primarily, but was curious about > security aspects. Scot had mentioned about not compiling modules in > and using a monolithic kernel if I understood it correctly on > something such as a firewall. In the past there have been linux exploits via kernel loadable modules. My recommendation for anything that's directly on the net (eg, firewalls, routers, shell servers, etc.) is to use a monolithic kernel with only the bare minimum drivers that are needed to function compiled directly in. Just my $0.02. YMMV as always. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 20 13:55:31 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: (message from Munir Nassar on Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:05 -0600 (CST)) References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200402201955.i1KJtVR01484@ecstasy.winternet.com> Munir Nassar wrote: >yes a monolithic kernel is smaller, but who cares? >at most its maybe 50 megs, thats $.5 in todays hard drive prices. Munir is of course refering to the hard drive space used by all binaries of a single kernel: /boot/vmlinuz[-version] .5-1.5MB compressed 1-3MB uncompressed /boot/initrd[-version] .5+MB compressed 4+MB uncompressed /lib/modules//* 0-50+MB uncompressed These object files can be stripped for an about 10% space savings. Actual space used by the kernel in memory is 1-3MB for the kernel plus 4+MB for the initrd which is released after mounting the root filesystem during boot up. Plus any modules that are loaded and any kernel structure memory allocations. This adds up to only a few megabytes, excluding the fact that the kernel uses almost all remaining memory for expendable buffers. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 20 15:38:42 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040220031539.GB4836@dad1> (message from Karl Bongers on Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:15:40 +0000) References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040220031539.GB4836@dad1> Message-ID: <200402202138.i1KLcg502554@ecstasy.winternet.com> Karl Bongers wrote: >Put your .config file in a cool dry place. make mrproper deletes it, >and you can put a lot of effort getting a .config file right. >Also, edit the Makefile each time and add an incrementing tag: >EXTRAVERSION =-sf1 >That helps avoid writing over the top of the last kernel modules >installed in /lib/modules/version-xxx and gives you your own version tag. Excellent ideas, Karl! You have obviously built more than a kernel or two! [other good ideas by Karl omitted] >You start thinking, hmmm, those guys making the distro's one size >fit all kernels and initrds aren't so stupid. Generally, a distribution's installation kernel will come with huge initrd (or a second initrd that is huge) containing all the software required to install the distribution. The one used by Aurora 1.0 (Red Hat 7.3 Sparc) is well over 100 MB in size. >I want a lean mean initrd, nothing that requires gobs of RAM. >RedHat has an interesting one, uses dash, compiled with dietlibc, to avoid >the huge bloat of /lib/glibc. dietlibc is neat, you compile like this: >diet gcc prog.c -o prog >And it spits out a nice small prog with no dependencies. After installation is complete, the generic initrd built by Aurora 1.0 is only about 4MB. >One of my pet peaves is the live-cds, boot disks, that all require >GOBS of ram(for big initrd's), making them useless on older machines. >When knoppixs boots on a 128MB machine and says I don't have enough ram >that makes me mad(I know, I can boot without the gui). I'm confused. Are you trying to build a small initrd for normal booting or a small initrd to install a distribution on a machine with low memory? A huge installation initrd on a CD-ROM could be loop mounted read only right on the CD rather than loaded into memory and the memory image loop mounted. This way the installation should work (slowly) on even very low (8-16MB) memory machines. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 20 16:13:33 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040220131527.A7013@thinkunix.net> (message from Scot Jenkins on Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:15:27 -0600) References: <20040220111009.5092ed68.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040220131527.A7013@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200402202213.i1KMDX202898@ecstasy.winternet.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: >In the past there have been linux exploits via kernel loadable modules. >My recommendation for anything that's directly on the net (eg, >firewalls, routers, shell servers, etc.) is to use a monolithic kernel >with only the bare minimum drivers that are needed to function compiled >directly in. Just my $0.02. YMMV as always. Also monitor security mailing lists and fix the kernel after an exploit occurs or update the kernel on a regular but not too cutting edge basis. A monolithic (having no loadable module functionality) kernel allows one, absolute Draconian control over what code in the kernel runs, but does it provide a real security advantage over a loadable module kernel? I believe a loadable module kernel is just as secure (against attack) as a non-loadable module kernel. What makes the loadable module kernel "less secure" is that when an intruder has access, he can use his own loadable modules to help cover his tracks and insert spying and other undesirable software into the kernel. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Feb 20 16:04:07 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question Message-ID: Karl, >>> kbongers@mninter.net 02/19/04 09:15PM >>> >What I want is an initrd that is small(fits on a diskette w/kernel) >can be adjusted to boot most fs and/or IDE-CDROM, NFS or USB roots >and is easy enough to adjust or configure. Anyone seen such a thing? http://www.caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=88&op=page&SubMenu= is an interesting project you might get some info from. It is the caos linux installer, but it is very simple. It uses shell scripting (busybox) and yum to install the OS, mostly. The peices are here: http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/1.7/cinch-1.7.tar.gz Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 20 17:40:58 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <200402201955.i1KJtVR01484@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <200402201955.i1KJtVR01484@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1077320457.23189.5.camel@bigtime> > These object files can be stripped for an about 10% space savings. How? Do you have to use certain flags? Way back in the days of kernel 2.0.x, I had the bright idea of trying this, and it made my system completely unable to load any of the modules... Has this changed? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 20 18:02:32 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <20040219222817.A28596@thinkunix.net> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040219222817.A28596@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1077321750.23189.28.camel@bigtime> > unloading modules frees up memory, although since 2.2.x kernels and up, > unused modules don't automatically unload anymore. they used to after > a minute of non-use under 2.0.x kernels, back in the good old days. I > never understood why the newer kernels don't unload the unused modules. Because this can just as easily be done in userspace. Used to be a cron job would run 'rmmod -a' every 5 minutes, but it looks like debian and fedora don't even bother anymore. Recently there's an even bigger push to move things to userspace. Kernel 2.6 always compiles an initrd, though its pretty much empty by default. There's talk of removing all partition detection from the kernel, and do it with a userspace program in the initrd, that sets things up using the device mapper. I remember years back, they were talking about eliminating monolithic kernels entirely. The kernel will always be modular, things like your root device/filesystem driver modules go in the initrd. It appears 2.6 is indeed taking steps in this direction. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Feb 20 18:04:24 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using tab as a field separator with sort Message-ID: <1077321864.2489.356.camel@lotsa> Here is a good one for the group. I've found a workaround so waste too much time on this. I'm trying to sort a text file using tab as a field separator. sort allows you to sort by a field with -k. The default field separator is whitespace, I need tabs. Sort allows you to set the field separator with -t, however it chokes when you tell it to use "\t". Observe: [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat tab.txt 1 cherry 2 orange 3 grape 4 apple 5 mango [tomp@lotsa sort]$ sort -t "\t" -k 2 tab.txt > sorted.txt sort: multi-character tab `\t' [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat sorted.txt It's an empty file. I did found a workaround (those are back-ticks not single quotes) [tomp@lotsa sort]$ TAB=`echo -e "\t"` [tomp@lotsa sort]$ sort -t "$TAB" -k 2 tab.txt > sorted.txt [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat sorted.txt 4 apple 1 cherry 3 grape 5 mango 2 orange according to google this works as expected in Unix but not in linux. http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-textutils@gnu.org/msg00833.html Does anyone know why I can't use "\t" in sort to set a tab? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Fri Feb 20 18:47:04 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using tab as a field separator with sort In-Reply-To: <1077321864.2489.356.camel@lotsa> References: <1077321864.2489.356.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Try TAB=`echo -en "\t"` It worked for me. Funny that sort isn't better prepared for this though. -Steve On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Tom Penney wrote: > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ TAB=`echo -e "\t"` > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ sort -t "$TAB" -k 2 tab.txt > sorted.txt > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat sorted.txt > 4 apple > 1 cherry > 3 grape > 5 mango > 2 orange > strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Feb 20 15:52:41 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040220215241.GA17123@dad1> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 04:04:07PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Karl, > > >>> kbongers@mninter.net 02/19/04 09:15PM >>> > >What I want is an initrd that is small(fits on a diskette w/kernel) > >can be adjusted to boot most fs and/or IDE-CDROM, NFS or USB roots > >and is easy enough to adjust or configure. Anyone seen such a thing? > > http://www.caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=88&op=page&SubMenu= > > is an interesting project you might get some info from. > > It is the caos linux installer, but it is very simple. It uses > shell scripting (busybox) and yum to install the OS, mostly. > The peices are here: > > http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/1.7/cinch-1.7.tar.gz > Thanks Troy, this looks useful, some basic busybox interactive ash menu scripting. I think what I want is some canned syslinux menu options, interactive menu script, or going to a basic command interpreter prompt in the initrd. Karl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Feb 20 16:39:51 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <200402202138.i1KLcg502554@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040220031539.GB4836@dad1> <200402202138.i1KLcg502554@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040220223951.GB17123@dad1> Hi Ken, On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 03:38:42PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > >One of my pet peaves is the live-cds, boot disks, that all require > >GOBS of ram(for big initrd's), making them useless on older machines. > >When knoppixs boots on a 128MB machine and says I don't have enough ram > >that makes me mad(I know, I can boot without the gui). > > I'm confused. Are you trying to build a small initrd for normal booting > or a small initrd to install a distribution on a machine with low memory? Well, yes, both. I do some embedded stuff, and testing/work on older machines. So my concept of installing and running linux on these class of machines is to boot(any way you can) run fdisk, setup a filesystem, then copy a small fs(from CDROM or network) over, chroot, edit fstab, run lilo,.. I have used custom kernels, and compiled in common ethernet drivers, I really like the kernel nfsroot trick to boot off a NFS root with just the kernel. I like to have UMSDOS compiled in, in case I want to borgify an old WIN/DOS machine without repartitioning. Problem is, the more you add like this as a monolithic kernel, the bigger it gets, and you always need some new driver for the next machine. My goal is to switch to using a stock distro kernel and initrd to do some of these things, that way I don't have to compile the bloody kernel every time I want to penguinify some machine. I would just add the module I need to the initrd, tweak the syslinux or initrd thing to do my bidding.. > A huge installation initrd on a CD-ROM could be loop mounted read only > right on the CD rather than loaded into memory and the memory image loop > mounted. This way the installation should work (slowly) on even very > low (8-16MB) memory machines. I just boot to root on CDROM now, root=/dev/hdx, works great. I think initrd pretty much by definition goes to RAM. But I think I know what you mean, the cloop thing, maybe, eh? All for now, cheers, Karl. > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 21:08:27 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 21:10:28 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 Message-ID: Hi, my name is Chris. I am living in Minneapolis and I was hoping that someone within the group might be able to give me some help installing Fedora Core 1.0 on my Dell Inspiron 1100. I am having a couple minor problems (can't get my cdburner to work, my cdrom isn't mounting audio cds, trying to find the correct linmodem, and getting a battery monitor). Do you know anyone in the group that might be willing to give me some help either over the phone, email, or in person? Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Feb 20 22:05:40 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow Message-ID: Hello all. A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently as possible? She needs Open Office. I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 20 22:45:17 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel question In-Reply-To: <1077320457.23189.5.camel@bigtime> (message from Callum Lerwick on Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:40:58 -0600) References: <20040219194501.2b446a65.sfertch@real-time.com> <40357C65.3090109@druswanderings.net> <20040219220804.09cf4ac0.sfertch@real-time.com> <200402201955.i1KJtVR01484@ecstasy.winternet.com> <1077320457.23189.5.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200402210445.i1L4jHA07937@ecstasy.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs wrote: >> These object files can be stripped for an about 10% space savings. Callum Lerwick wrote: >How? Do you have to use certain flags? Way back in the days of kernel >2.0.x, I had the bright idea of trying this, and it made my system >completely unable to load any of the modules... Has this changed? First back up the kernel and corresponding modules directory before attempting to strip these object files. strip should be applied to the uncompressed kernel, vmlinux (not vmlinuz). # strip -R .comment -R .note vmlinux # find /lib/modules/ -name \*.o -exec strip -R .comment -R .note {} \; Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Sat Feb 21 00:41:25 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036FD95.7010009@visi.com> Its the 96MB of RAM that is killing you. I've run Redhat 9.0 with KDE on a couple of 333 PIIs and it ran reasonably well but they had 192MB and 512MB of memory. One option is to bag KDE and use one of the less resource intensive windowing systems like Blackbox. --rick PHPTOm wrote: >Hello all. > >A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to >give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. > >Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. > >I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that >is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is >it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even >slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently >as possible? She needs Open Office. > >I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 20 22:30:49 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040220223049.1c472f45.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:05:40 -0600 "PHPTOm" wrote: > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out > there that is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines > with little ram. Is it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right > now she has an old (even slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to > optimize KDE to run as efficently as possible? She needs Open > Office. > Slackware, 'nuff said. ;-) BTW, I still have those discs for Slack 9.1 you were interested in.... But, in actuality any distro "should" perform reasonably well. Take a look at what services are running. Go to your /etc/rc.d/init.d (or wherever your startup scripts are located), and see what's in there. I'm sure there's a lot of things you could probably shutdown and the remove from the startup script (or just chmod 444 the init scripts). I'm running RH9 on a P2-266 desktop at work with 128MB ram at best. Not the fastest, but works okay. Also, take a look at your KDE options. You'll probably want to drop the high level of eye-candy that's running. Or, load a nice, quick and light wondow manager such as fvwm2, fvwm92, Blackbox, or the like. Should be RPM's available for SuSe. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Feb 20 22:48:27 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040221044827.GK23400@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 20 22:55:07 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to > give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. whatever the question, needs more RAM. > Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. cool > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that > is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is > it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even > slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently > as possible? She needs Open Office. try a more minimalist distro, Debian comes to mind as it does have a fairly small footprint. for a WM i recommend usine XFce, very nice and fast. XFce4 is out but it is a tad slow, so stick with 3.8 for now > I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. what the fresh install giveth, the aging install taketh away. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Feb 20 23:08:06 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040221050806.GW24827@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 10:05:40PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all. > > A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to > give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. It's probably PC100 SDRAM, 512MB is $59, 256 is $38, 128 is $16. Upgrade. > Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. Nifty. > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that > is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is > it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even > slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently > as possible? She needs Open Office. A 450mhz PII is fine for even KDE, you just need more RAM. Go through the KDE config wizard (runs at first login) and turn off the eye candy with the slider bar. Slackware, Debian, Gentoo, etc. will *not* give a non-geek a good impression of Linux. Stick with suse, RedHat, Fedora, Mandrake, or Lindows. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Feb 20 23:14:44 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402202314.44343.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 20 February 2004 10:05 pm, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all. > > A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided > to give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. > > Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. > > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that > is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is > it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even > slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently > as possible? She needs Open Office. > > I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. > > TOm FWIW I've run SuSE on slower systems with less RAM. KDE 3.x is much more resource intensive than many other options. My personal favorite that I know is on the SuSE CDs is IceWM. Its relatively light weight and if the person is used to a Windows style interface it has that option. If you want to run KDE then throw some more RAM at it and it should work fine. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Feb 20 23:06:53 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036E76D.5030406@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Desjardins wrote: | problems (can't get my cdburner to work, my cdrom isn't mounting audio | cds, I'm not a Fedora guy but I do know that you don't mount audio CDs. you just pop 'em in and hit play. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFANudsiwhv4FBqkV8RAr5uAKCMxsv77syS5MUKTvxDWzAxdU54BACgv503 m9cp0KDzpW5WoKaHS+8y/yY= =Glaz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 00:31:13 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <200402202314.44343.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the info. I am going to get more ram. I changes the style for KDE and it is running slightly faster. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From twurdock at wordesign.net Fri Feb 20 22:05:14 2004 From: twurdock at wordesign.net (Tom Wurdock) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow Message-ID: Hello all. A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently as possible? She needs Open Office. I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 17:37:07 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B72E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B72E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <1076974625.11901.12.camel@thorin> OK, I don't have the eMail in front of me, someone said Evolution is a PIM. You can be sure this eMail is being sent from Ximian's Evolution eMail client. evolution has Contacts, Calendar, eMail, Tasks, and more. It does in line spell checking like outlook or word. I just installed it and it works fine on this little 233mmx laptop. A faster machine would be nice, it's in the works but for now this is what I have. Ximian also has an Exchange client for Evolution. Yes and Exchange client so Evolution can connect to Exchange 2003. With Open Office and Evolution the only thing missing is an Access like database software or a front end to MySQL that looks like Access. Linux is now a solution for the desktop at big companies and small. Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 16 17:41:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <20040216210445.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> References: <40311E64.2000407@visi.com> <20040216210445.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1076974860.11894.15.camel@thorin> It is on topic and valid. If you don't want to read it don't read anything with my name on it. Sam. On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 15:04, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Sam, we're tired of hearing your rants about IBM, you've hijacked every > thread in the past year or so that mentioned IBM to rant about this, > please stop, mmmkay? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:47:48PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > How about IBM = I Been Moved _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Feb 21 09:59:56 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <1076974625.11901.12.camel@thorin> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B72E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <1076974625.11901.12.camel@thorin> Message-ID: <20040221095956.4fd09f92.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:37:07 -0600 Sam MacDonald wrote: > Ximian also has an Exchange client for Evolution. Yes and Exchange > client so Evolution can connect to Exchange 2003. > > With Open Office and Evolution the only thing missing is an Access > like database software or a front end to MySQL that looks like > Access. > > Linux is now a solution for the desktop at big companies and small. > Do some digging at sourceforge, I'm sure you'll find a few front ends to MySQL/mSQL. Evolution is nice, but has had some quirks that I don't care for. As to OpenOffice, I like it, and use it more than MSOffice. However, my biggest complaints with OO is: - Loss of formatting when saving to other than default .sw* files. - Loss of formatting when opening MSO files. - Cannot open, or rather unlock, password protected MSO files. - Can't set a default for saving as a different file type. Or, so I haven't been able to find. I don't have much experience with MySQL, but one of the problems I see with it is that each workstation would need to have it installed and running. I don't think it's as easily portable as Access is, in regards to just sending a couple of files to someone like you can with Access. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Sat Feb 21 13:40:03 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: <20040221095956.4fd09f92.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B72E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <1076974625.11901.12.camel@thorin> <20040221095956.4fd09f92.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4037B413.9020307@visi.com> OO does have a database interface buried in the Data Source tab on the Tools entry, or some such place. Take a look at the OO-ODBC stuff at http://www.unixodbc.org/doc/ There is also reKall from the Kompany at http://www.thekompany.com/projects/rekall/?dhtml_ok=0 They recently annouced an open source version in addition to their commercial offerings. --rick Shawn wrote: >On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:37:07 -0600 >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>Ximian also has an Exchange client for Evolution. Yes and Exchange >>client so Evolution can connect to Exchange 2003. >> >>With Open Office and Evolution the only thing missing is an Access >>like database software or a front end to MySQL that looks like >>Access. >> >>Linux is now a solution for the desktop at big companies and small. >> >> >> > >Do some digging at sourceforge, I'm sure you'll find a few front ends >to MySQL/mSQL. Evolution is nice, but has had some quirks that I don't >care for. > >As to OpenOffice, I like it, and use it more than MSOffice. However, >my biggest complaints with OO is: > >- Loss of formatting when saving to other than default .sw* files. > >- Loss of formatting when opening MSO files. > >- Cannot open, or rather unlock, password protected MSO files. > >- Can't set a default for saving as a different file type. Or, so I >haven't been able to find. > >I don't have much experience with MySQL, but one of the problems I see >with it is that each workstation would need to have it installed and >running. I don't think it's as easily portable as Access is, in >regards to just sending a couple of files to someone like you can with >Access. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Feb 21 11:50:15 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040221175015.GJ3096@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sat Feb 21 13:31:04 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> Why is it that I always hear about how windows is so bloated when kde and esp. gnome can take up even more space? how did people run linux with X five years ago and what happened so they can't with the same computer now? recently I was looking around at free beos clones, there's a community doing this centered at http://beunited.org. most of them actually use linux and X to make their os. I heard many of them talking about how bad linux is for a graphical desktop and they can run their beos clones on old computers very quickly. apparently, some have found ways to make X run much faster. I haven't tried them out yet, but this is something to check out, I'm not sure if there's binary or source compatability with linux. I've also heard that freebsd is faster on the desktop than linux. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Feb 21 14:39:20 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402212040.i1LKe0Rf016734@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:37:07 -0600 > From: Sam MacDonald > OK, I don't have the eMail in front of me, someone said > Evolution is a PIM. You can be sure this eMail is being sent > from Ximian's Evolution eMail client. I said that. And neato that your PIM can send e-mail. I use a PIM called Outlook and it can send e-mail too. > evolution has Contacts, Calendar, eMail, Tasks, and more. It > does in line spell checking like outlook or word. Wow. Sounds like a pretty good PIM. But can you check your boss's schedule to see when he can attend a meeting? Can your assistant send e-mail on your behalf? > Ximian also has an Exchange client for Evolution. Yes and > Exchange client so Evolution can connect to Exchange 2003. Hey isn't that great? So to get workgroup functionality, you still need to buy something from Microsoft PLUS pay for a plug-in. That was my point. > With Open Office and Evolution the only thing missing is an > Access like database software or a front end to MySQL that > looks like Access. As others have said, a database front end is in there. What Is NOT in there is anything that helps an office collaborate. > Linux is now a solution for the desktop at big companies and small. I agree that it's ready to go for small companies. It doesn't do the job large companies need to help their people be more productive. That, and a good Project killer will finally give users all the tools they need. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Feb 21 14:46:17 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> Message-ID: <4037C399.7090104@structural-wood.com> Joe Dunsmore wrote: > Why is it that I always hear about how windows is so bloated when kde > and esp. gnome can take up even more space? how did people run linux > with X five years ago and what happened so they can't with the same > computer now? > > recently I was looking around at free beos clones, there's a community > doing this centered at http://beunited.org. most of them actually use > linux and X to make their os. I heard many of them talking about how > bad linux is for a graphical desktop and they can run their beos clones > on old computers very quickly. apparently, some have found ways to make > X run much faster. I haven't tried them out yet, but this is something > to check out, I'm not sure if there's binary or source compatability > with linux. I've also heard that freebsd is faster on the desktop than > linux. > I've seen this accusation levelled a couple of times on the gnome mailing lists, and the standard response is 'this is the 21st century - it's reasonable to expect that people have high performance machines'. The nice thing about graphical apps under linux is you can largely pick and choose what and how you want to run, right down to running gtk+ apps on a framebuffer device (fast and lean indeed). Linux is about choice. One of those choices is to be bloated. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 21 15:23:34 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040221212334.GB24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 01:31:04PM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > with linux. I've also heard that freebsd is faster on the desktop than > linux. As with anything, the less you support, the faster it will be. A typical RH9 X install with KDE is supporting true type fonts, transparent menus, APM, greatly enhanced video card support with opengl support, resolution changes on the fly, i18n support, etc. If you really want to know why, take a look at the software you're running on a linux graphical desktop and compare the current version with the version from 3-4 years ago. As for freebsd on the desktop, it's a joke, and even the freebsd zealots will tell you that. freebsd is a workhorse. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 16:10:46 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues Message-ID: Hello all, I am installing Mandrake for my friend Mel (from my "[TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow" post) It installed fine. Now when I boot I see a screen for a second with: Scanning option ROMs Then I get this: Boot Failure Insert BOOT diskette in A: Press any key when ready I don't understand what happened. I booted from the first CD, went into rescue mode and reinstalled the boot loader, but no help. Any ideas? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sat Feb 21 16:24:10 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (garrett) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037DA8A.4000403@cleosci.com> What part of the drive did you use as the boot area? In other words, did you have it place the boot loader at the beginning of the first sector for the installed partition or at the beginning of the master boot record? PHPTOm wrote: >Hello all, > > ...snipped... > Scanning option ROMs > >Then I get this: > > Boot Failure > Insert BOOT diskette in A: > Press any key when ready > > >I don't understand what happened. I booted from the first CD, went into >rescue mode and reinstalled the boot loader, but no help. Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Sat Feb 21 18:05:24 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037F244.8060708@igi.com> Check suseplugger. I recently helped someone out that has a fast machine and lots of ram who was running suse and everything was slow. suseplugger was consuming too many resources. I made it dead and the system was peppy once more. Tom Wurdock wrote: >Hello all. > >A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided to >give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. > >Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. > >I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that >is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is >it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even >slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently >as possible? She needs Open Office. > >I would hate to have to load windows 98 on it just for speed reasons. > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Feb 21 19:17:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40380325.8090704@visi.com> Did the hard disk get disconnected? Data or Power. Is this a big hard disk, over 30 gigabytes? Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >Hello all, > >I am installing Mandrake for my friend Mel (from my "[TCLUG] Re: Linux as >desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow" post) > >It installed fine. Now when I boot I see a screen for a second with: > > Scanning option ROMs > >Then I get this: > > Boot Failure > Insert BOOT diskette in A: > Press any key when ready > > >I don't understand what happened. I booted from the first CD, went into >rescue mode and reinstalled the boot loader, but no help. Any ideas? > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 19:17:58 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <4037DA8A.4000403@cleosci.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. I wasn't prompted to make that descision. I will check. > > What part of the drive did you use as the boot area? In other words, > did you have it place the boot loader at the beginning of the first > sector for the installed partition or at the beginning of the master > boot record? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 19:25:51 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <40380325.8090704@visi.com> Message-ID: Naw, it's 9 GB. The drive is plugged in. I think I am going to try reinstalling because I have other thing to work on. > > Did the hard disk get disconnected? > Data or Power. > > Is this a big hard disk, over 30 gigabytes? > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 20:31:31 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake bootloader - MBR or root partition Message-ID: Any suggestions? I am faced with a decision and I have no idea what to do: MBR or root partition TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 21 22:22:12 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Responding to my own post. I used a SuSe liveEval cd I got in a magazine to install yesterday. The "Boot failure" error I was getting was because suse needed the CD to be in the drive to boot. I assume it wrote to the MBR or something so that when I installed Mandrake, I was still getting the same "Boot failure" error. What a crock. How is it that a suse install could keep control of the boot after I repartitioned and installed Mandrake? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Sun Feb 22 06:41:12 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <20040221212334.GB24827@techmonkeys.org> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> <20040221212334.GB24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <4038A368.5040107@jentges.NET> Sooo... X eats up more resources on one OS than the other? -mj Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 01:31:04PM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > >>with linux. I've also heard that freebsd is faster on the desktop than >>linux. > > > As with anything, the less you support, the faster it will be. A typical > RH9 X install with KDE is supporting true type fonts, transparent menus, > APM, greatly enhanced video card support with opengl support, resolution > changes on the fly, i18n support, etc. > > If you really want to know why, take a look at the software you're running > on a linux graphical desktop and compare the current version with the version > from 3-4 years ago. > > As for freebsd on the desktop, it's a joke, and even the freebsd zealots > will tell you that. freebsd is a workhorse. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 09:22:20 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4038C92C.9060700@visi.com> If you have a DOS boot diskette. Boot with it, then type "fdisk /mbr" this will write an MBR to reflect the DOS boot disk. Install Linux and tell it to use the MBR. Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >Responding to my own post. > >I used a SuSe liveEval cd I got in a magazine to install yesterday. The >"Boot failure" error I was getting was because suse needed the CD to be in >the drive to boot. I assume it wrote to the MBR or something so that when I >installed Mandrake, I was still getting the same "Boot failure" error. What >a crock. > >How is it that a suse install could keep control of the boot after I >repartitioned and installed Mandrake? > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 09:20:03 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake bootloader - MBR or root partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4038C8A3.5080702@visi.com> I always use MBR - Master Boot Record. Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >Any suggestions? I am faced with a decision and I have no idea what to do: >MBR or root partition > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Feb 22 09:38:06 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using tab as a field separator with sort In-Reply-To: <1077321864.2489.356.camel@lotsa> References: <1077321864.2489.356.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4038CCDE.5030706@eworld3.net> Shell commands do not use a consistent syntax, especially the older ones like "sort". The "\t" is a meta-character, in other words it represents a tab. "sort" is looking for a literal "tab". So what you need to do is press the "tab" key instead of typing a backslash and the letter "t". This does not work on the bash command line because file name completion is turned on by default and I don't know how to temporarily turn it off. Generally one does not do much shell programming on the command line though, and so the "sort" line would be in a file. I named mine x.sh: $ cat x.sh sort -t " " -k 2 tab.txt Your work-around is very clever though! BTW I suggest using the $(command) syntax instead of back-ticks since the latter is so difficult to see. I'm so happy that I can finally answer a question! :-) Rick Tom Penney wrote: > Here is a good one for the group. I've found a workaround so waste too > much time on this. > > I'm trying to sort a text file using tab as a field separator. sort > allows you to sort by a field with -k. The default field separator is > whitespace, I need tabs. Sort allows you to set the field separator with > -t, however it chokes when you tell it to use "\t". Observe: > > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat tab.txt > 1 cherry > 2 orange > 3 grape > 4 apple > 5 mango > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ sort -t "\t" -k 2 tab.txt > sorted.txt > sort: multi-character tab `\t' > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat sorted.txt > > It's an empty file. > I did found a workaround (those are back-ticks not single quotes) > > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ TAB=`echo -e "\t"` > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ sort -t "$TAB" -k 2 tab.txt > sorted.txt > [tomp@lotsa sort]$ cat sorted.txt > 4 apple > 1 cherry > 3 grape > 5 mango > 2 orange > > according to google this works as expected in Unix but not in linux. > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-textutils@gnu.org/msg00833.html > > Does anyone know why I can't use "\t" in sort to set a tab? > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Feb 22 09:55:14 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4038D0E2.8020902@eworld3.net> Well Chis welcome to the TCLUG! Just post your questions to this list and you will get the best answers money can buy, for free! Some day you will be able to answer questions and thus contribute back to the community. I suggest posting each question separately but that's just my opinion. Hopefully there will be an installfest soon so that you can get direct help. Good Luck! Chris Desjardins wrote: > Hi, my name is Chris. I am living in Minneapolis and I was hoping that > someone within the group might be able to give me some help installing > Fedora Core 1.0 on my Dell Inspiron 1100. I am having a couple minor > problems (can't get my cdburner to work, my cdrom isn't mounting audio > cds, trying to find the correct linmodem, and getting a battery > monitor). Do you know anyone in the group that might be willing to give > me some help either over the phone, email, or in person? > Thanks, > Chris -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Feb 22 10:18:10 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest? In-Reply-To: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077256354.bce1d95ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4038D642.8000206@eworld3.net> I can contribute the latest draft of the official Installfest HOWTO. That project has been on hold while I was on a contracting gig in Baltimore. Now I'm back and after I get caught up on email, snail-mail, etc, etc, I will continue to work on it. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Feb 22 10:32:23 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake bootloader - MBR or root partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4038D997.6030003@eworld3.net> PHPTOm wrote: > Any suggestions? I am faced with a decision and I have no idea what to do: > MBR or root partition That's a good question and I hope there is a good discussion about it. I have always used the MBR. I guess I used it the first time I installed Linux because I wanted to over-write Windoze use of the MBR. That worked fine and so I've just continued to use the MBR. But there was a discussion on the list a few months ago where this came up as a side-topic and someone made a good argument for using the root partition. I don't have time to search the archives now. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Feb 22 12:35:34 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <4038C92C.9060700@visi.com> Message-ID: Sam, Can you think of why, after installing Mandrake and telling it to use the MBR, it still is looking for the suse LiveEval cd? TOm > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:22 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues > > > If you have a DOS boot diskette. > Boot with it, then type "fdisk /mbr" this will write an MBR to reflect > the DOS boot disk. > Install Linux and tell it to use the MBR. > > Sam. > > PHPTOm wrote: > > >Responding to my own post. > > > >I used a SuSe liveEval cd I got in a magazine to install yesterday. The > >"Boot failure" error I was getting was because suse needed the > CD to be in > >the drive to boot. I assume it wrote to the MBR or something so > that when I > >installed Mandrake, I was still getting the same "Boot failure" > error. What > >a crock. > > > >How is it that a suse install could keep control of the boot after I > >repartitioned and installed Mandrake? > > > >TOm > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Feb 22 12:34:43 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake bootloader - MBR or root partition In-Reply-To: <4038D997.6030003@eworld3.net> Message-ID: Here's what's killing me. I installed Mandrake and set up the bootloader on the mbr. I still get the message on boot (looking for the suse liveEval cd): Scanning option ROMs Then I get this: Boot Failure Insert BOOT diskette in A: Press any key when ready Suse's liveEval seems to have taken control of my computer. I am ready to put this computer through a cycle in my laundry machine. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Feb 22 12:42:54 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake bootloader - MBR or root partition In-Reply-To: <4038D997.6030003@eworld3.net> Message-ID: OK, I got it. I moved the order of my boot devices and I am in. I moved them around. Now I can boot into Mandrake. Now I need to undrerstand exactly what I just did. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Feb 22 13:01:47 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 13:31, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > Why is it that I always hear about how windows is so bloated when kde > and esp. gnome can take up even more space? how did people run linux > with X five years ago and what happened so they can't with the same > computer now? GNOME and KDE happened. Also, glibc itself has bloated quite a bit over the last 5-10 years, mostly because of internationalization support... I wish I could run a whole system on top of a non-bloaty but current libc. I haven't seen any distributions that do this. ulibc? newlib? Near as I can tell dietlibc is only ment for static linking. None are a drop-in replacement for glibc. I have a P133 laptop thats cursed with only 8mb RAM... Maybe someday I'll try that whole linux from scratch thing... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Sun Feb 22 13:26:08 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63BD7@ipserver2.interplastic.com> I think anytime you get a nice squishy gui like KDE, no matter what platform it takes resources. KDE probably more so because X does not run inside the kernel. Hopefully some of the improvements in 2.6 that targeted X slowdowns will make a big difference. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Dunsmore To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 2/21/04 1:31 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow Why is it that I always hear about how windows is so bloated when kde and esp. gnome can take up even more space? how did people run linux with X five years ago and what happened so they can't with the same computer now? recently I was looking around at free beos clones, there's a community doing this centered at http://beunited.org. most of them actually use linux and X to make their os. I heard many of them talking about how bad linux is for a graphical desktop and they can run their beos clones on old computers very quickly. apparently, some have found ways to make X run much faster. I haven't tried them out yet, but this is something to check out, I'm not sure if there's binary or source compatability with linux. I've also heard that freebsd is faster on the desktop than linux. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sun Feb 22 13:31:36 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> > As with anything, the less you support, the faster it will be. A typical > RH9 X install with KDE is supporting true type fonts, transparent menus, > APM, greatly enhanced video card support with opengl support, resolution > changes on the fly, i18n support, etc. > > If you really want to know why, take a look at the software you're running > on a linux graphical desktop and compare the current version with the version > from 3-4 years ago. Can I find out all that my os is loading at startup by looking at the init file? I've heard debian, gentoo, slackware use up less memory usually than the commercial distros, how much of this do they use? what does windows 3.1, 95, xp use compared to modern linux? > As for freebsd on the desktop, it's a joke, and even the freebsd zealots > will tell you that. freebsd is a workhorse. I don't think osnews counts as a freebsd zealot and they say: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5821&page=2 "Not all is bad though. On the upside of FreeBSD you will find its speed. On my AthlonXP 1600+ 1.4 GHz, FreeBSD boots in about 16-18 seconds, the same as a lite Slackware or Gentoo, but way faster comparatively on other popular Linuces like Fedora or Mandrake or SuSE. As I have mentioned in the past Slackware was the fastest platform to run X/Gnome/KDE according to my tests, but the crown of DE speed now goes to FreeBSD 5.2. GTK apps are a bit faster than in Slackware overall but applications load significantly faster on FreeBSD." "Faster than Linux on the desktop (at least compared to kernel 2.4.x distros)" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Feb 22 13:40:37 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <4038A368.5040107@jentges.NET> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> <20040221212334.GB24827@techmonkeys.org> <4038A368.5040107@jentges.NET> Message-ID: <20040222194037.GF24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 06:41:12AM -0600, Mike J. wrote: > > > Sooo... X eats up more resources on one OS than the other? Yes, actually. There's OS specific support for a lot of things, check the changelog. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Feb 22 13:58:03 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1041801595.3e18a17b924ee@webmail.real-time.com> Quoting PHPTOm : > Sam, > > Can you think of why, after installing Mandrake and telling it to > use the > MBR, it still is looking for the suse LiveEval cd? > Tom, Are you positive that Mandrake is using the MBR? It almost sounds as if it's defaulting to the boot sector, not the MBR. -- Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 13:53:19 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403908AF.70005@visi.com> I'm thinking out loud so give me a minute... The "/etc/fstab" could be pointing at the CDROM for boot If your using Grub "boot=/dev/cdrom" when it should be pointing to "/dev/hda/" I'm using Grub on my laptop so I looked at that. If your using Lilo it could be pointing to "/dev/cdrom" when it should be pointing to "/dev/hda/" My desktop is running Lilo but it's not plugged in... Be careful changing these settings, know where your partitions are point before you change anything. Have you tried the "fdisk /mbr" thing? If you do you will need to reinstall Linux You could use a W95 or W98 boot CD to do it. Wack the partitions with Linux "cfdisk or fdisk" first then use the DOS boot "fdisk /mbr" Then reinstall Linux. Power off between restarts. It's a somewhat tedious process but it doesn't take all that long. If all else fails, down load the "dban" iso for CD's. Burn a CD for dban and wipe the disk. Then install Linux. PHPTOm wrote: >Sam, > >Can you think of why, after installing Mandrake and telling it to use the >MBR, it still is looking for the suse LiveEval cd? > >TOm > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald >>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:22 AM >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues >> >> >>If you have a DOS boot diskette. >>Boot with it, then type "fdisk /mbr" this will write an MBR to reflect >>the DOS boot disk. >>Install Linux and tell it to use the MBR. >> >>Sam. >> >>PHPTOm wrote: >> >> >> >>>Responding to my own post. >>> >>>I used a SuSe liveEval cd I got in a magazine to install yesterday. The >>>"Boot failure" error I was getting was because suse needed the >>> >>> >>CD to be in >> >> >>>the drive to boot. I assume it wrote to the MBR or something so >>> >>> >>that when I >> >> >>>installed Mandrake, I was still getting the same "Boot failure" >>> >>> >>error. What >> >> >>>a crock. >>> >>>How is it that a suse install could keep control of the boot after I >>>repartitioned and installed Mandrake? >>> >>>TOm >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Feb 22 14:04:12 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> <1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <1041801749.3e18a2151d1ee@webmail.real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick : > I wish I could run a whole system on top of a non-bloaty but > current > libc. I haven't seen any distributions that do this. ulibc? newlib? > Near > as I can tell dietlibc is only ment for static linking. None are a > drop-in replacement for glibc. I have a P133 laptop thats cursed > with > only 8mb RAM... Maybe someday I'll try that whole linux from > scratch > thing... Did you look at the HOWTO for installing a Minimal Slackware system? I think it's called 4MB.... I did that a couple of years ago with good results. -- Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 14:01:32 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63BD7@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63BD7@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <40390A9C.7060301@visi.com> I'm going to put a spare drive in my Compaq laptop. Install Red Hat 8.0 but no KDE or Gnome. I'll install KDE and Gnome from my Red Hat 6.2 CD's. I think that will solve the X windows speed problem. It's KDE version 1.1.2 so it should be fast as all get out! I'll install open office from the 8.0 cd and Evolution from Ximian. I'll let the list know if this works. ;-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Feb 22 14:18:19 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> References: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040222201819.GG24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:31:36PM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > Can I find out all that my os is loading at startup by looking at the > init file? I've heard debian, gentoo, slackware use up less memory > usually than the commercial distros, how much of this do they use? what > does windows 3.1, 95, xp use compared to modern linux? On RedHat/Fedora you can run 'chkconfig --list' to see everything that's being run on boot. Disable thing you don't use like isdn, pcmcia (if it's a desktop), cups (if you don't have a printer attached), kudzu (if you aren't plugging in new devices) etc. 'chkconfig off' will disable the service > I don't think osnews counts as a freebsd zealot and they say: > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5821&page=2 The woman who wrote the article is a BeOS/OS X/BSD fan. Also, read the rest of the article where she talks about the problems she had: "The FreeBSD installer let me choose of 2-3 ways of configuring X, and I first chose the graphical one, which failed. I decided to deal with X later (after the installation had finished), and so later I just copied my XF86Config from my Slackware 9.2-Current partition and used that successfully." This is the sort of thing that RedHat/Fedora & company do for you automatically, joe six pack can't be expected to figure out how to fix his XF86Config. Another one: "When I created the "eugenia" user using the installer, I typed /bin/bash as the shell for that user but what I didn't remember was that the location of that binary on FreeBSD was /usr/local/bin/bash. I could edit the passwd files later to correct this, but as I was already booted to KDE as root (couldn't login as "eugenia" yet because of bash's wrong path) I decided to use the kuser KDE application to fix my user's entry. A minute later I had everything saved and tried to login as eugenia. Seemingly everything went ok. But when I needed to "su -" to root to do some additional first-time configurations I noticed in terror that I could not login as root at all anymore. Apparently kuser had mangled both the /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd files and deleted the first 3 lines of these files which contained the information for root. It took me over an hour trying to find on Google clues as to how to put my installation back together as my last resort would have being re-installation. " I think that one speaks for itself. Another: "The ov511 driver for FreeBSD is not up to date for 5.2, but even if it were, it would not work with Gnomemeeting because the driver port from Linux was done to merely grab snapshots from it and not to do video. I wrote to some of the ov511 developers about it and they told me that they wouldn't do the job to completely port the driver properly because there is no infrastructure on FreeBSD like Video4Linux is on Linux. " ^-- This is some of that support I mentioned that doesn't exist in FreeBSD. Many applications use the V4L and V4L2 API.. pretty much any video conferencing programs, all the TV tuning applications (MythTV as well), radio applications (for radio tuners), and most webcams. Aside from all that, a majority of FreeBSD's support for newer hardware is a port of drivers from Linux, usually with some lost functionality in the transition. > "Not all is bad though. On the upside of FreeBSD you will find its > speed. On my AthlonXP 1600+ 1.4 GHz, FreeBSD boots in about 16-18 > seconds, the same as a lite Slackware or Gentoo, but way faster > comparatively on other popular Linuces like Fedora or Mandrake or SuSE. Wow! It boots faster. Tell you what, shove all your nice tidy init scripts into a single bash script in /etc/rc.d, remove all the applications that don't have an equivalent on FreeBSD, then reboot. Comparing boot times on two different OS's is like comparing clock speeds between AMD, Intel and IBM (Mac). > As I have mentioned in the past Slackware was the fastest platform to > run X/Gnome/KDE according to my tests, but the crown of DE speed now > goes to FreeBSD 5.2. GTK apps are a bit faster than in Slackware overall > but applications load significantly faster on FreeBSD." That's assuming the applications you need/want even run on FreeBSD, even worse is their comparision between different versions of Linux -- it's the same kernel, the same libraries, and the same programs. Speed is only going to be affected by your hardware configuration and whiz-bang features. > "Faster than Linux on the desktop (at least compared to kernel 2.4.x > distros)" See above, do the init script thing, disable all the support for things that don't exist in FreeBSD, and configure KDE/GNOME similarly and you'll get pretty much the same performance, with less polish, and less user friendly-ness -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 14:25:55 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <40390A9C.7060301@visi.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63BD7@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <40390A9C.7060301@visi.com> Message-ID: <40391053.3000801@visi.com> X windows with window maker will get installed. Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I'm going to put a spare drive in my Compaq laptop. > Install Red Hat 8.0 but no KDE or Gnome. > I'll install KDE and Gnome from my Red Hat 6.2 CD's. > I think that will solve the X windows speed problem. > It's KDE version 1.1.2 so it should be fast as all get out! > I'll install open office from the 8.0 cd and Evolution from Ximian. > > I'll let the list know if this works. ;-) > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Feb 22 14:30:41 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu> <1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > GNOME and KDE happened. Also, glibc itself has bloated quite a bit over > the last 5-10 years, mostly because of internationalization support... yeah, those dumb foreigner should learn english damnit! i highly doubt i18n is the cause for codebloat. The demands for eyecandy on the other hand is much more likely to cause a system to crawl. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Feb 22 14:41:43 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <1041801595.3e18a17b924ee@webmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: I know that during install, I told Mandrake to use mbr. Changing the order of my boot devices worked for some reason now. > Tom, > Are you positive that Mandrake is using the MBR? It almost sounds > as if it's defaulting to the boot sector, not the MBR. > > -- > > Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Feb 22 15:18:22 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow References: <4037B1F8.3080407@umn.edu><1077476506.25505.18.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> Munir Nassar writes: > i highly doubt i18n is the cause for codebloat. The demands for > eyecandy on the other hand is much more likely to cause a system to > crawl. glibc is bloated because it's a GNU project. But seriously, it does seem to be quite bloated. Compile a "Hello world" program in C, link it statically then strip it. On Debian with glibc it is 416k. On FreeBSD it is 46k. That is a huge difference. With dietlibc it is 12k. My guess is that the primary cause of this is glibc not being broken up well into modules, so lots of unused stuff is being linked into the binary. Sure, a few hundred kbytes doesn't seem like a lot, but it can make an enormous difference for many applications. For example, a very small forking web server can outperform Apache and even some non-blocking web servers when it doesn't have a bloated libc. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 17:19:27 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403938FF.9030605@visi.com> Not for some reason, that was the reason. Boot order is the reason, flexability in boot loaders lets you go to a second or other disk if you want to. Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >I know that during install, I told Mandrake to use mbr. Changing the order >of my boot devices worked for some reason now. > > > > >>Tom, >> Are you positive that Mandrake is using the MBR? It almost sounds >>as if it's defaulting to the boot sector, not the MBR. >> >>-- >> >>Shawn >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sun Feb 22 17:14:06 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040222231406.GL23400@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Feb 22 18:12:11 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <403938FF.9030605@visi.com> Message-ID: I don't understand why having floopy first would change anything. The devices order was this: CD Floppy ARMD-HDD ARMD-FDD I changed it to: Floppy CD ARMD-HDD 1st IDE-HDD I don't know whether making floppy forst or adding "1st IDE-HDD" as the 4th is what did it. I need to learn more about this stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:19 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues > > > Not for some reason, that was the reason. > Boot order is the reason, flexability in boot loaders lets you go to a > second or other disk if you want to. > > Sam. > > > PHPTOm wrote: > > >I know that during install, I told Mandrake to use mbr. > Changing the order > >of my boot devices worked for some reason now. > > > > > > > > > >>Tom, > >> Are you positive that Mandrake is using the MBR? It almost sounds > >>as if it's defaulting to the boot sector, not the MBR. > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Shawn > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 18:51:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40394E8A.8020200@visi.com> The CD drive is a bootable device (yes floppy is to...) and the boot loader looked for it first, when it didn't find it failed to boot. When it looked for the floppy first it dropped through the list to "1st IDE-HDD" or the "first boot device". This is all stuff that M$ puts in it's OS as well but it's hidden with many lines of code that search for hardware devices. BTW where ( in what file ) did you make the change? What boot loader are you using, Gimp, Lilo, ??? Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >I don't understand why having floopy first would change anything. > >The devices order was this: > >CD >Floppy >ARMD-HDD >ARMD-FDD > >I changed it to: > >Floppy >CD >ARMD-HDD >1st IDE-HDD > > >I don't know whether making floppy forst or adding "1st IDE-HDD" as the 4th >is what did it. I need to learn more about this stuff. > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald >>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:19 PM >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues >> >> >>Not for some reason, that was the reason. >>Boot order is the reason, flexability in boot loaders lets you go to a >>second or other disk if you want to. >> >>Sam. >> >> >>PHPTOm wrote: >> >> >> >>>I know that during install, I told Mandrake to use mbr. >>> >>> >>Changing the order >> >> >>>of my boot devices worked for some reason now. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Tom, >>>> Are you positive that Mandrake is using the MBR? It almost sounds >>>>as if it's defaulting to the boot sector, not the MBR. >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>Shawn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun Feb 22 19:43:38 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question Message-ID: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> I am trying to install VMWare Workstation 4 and I receive the following: Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.2.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.2". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.2" anyway? [ I am running Fedora Core 1. Am I correct that my assumption that either I need to recompile the kernel using gcc 3.3.2? I don't know if I downgrade my gcc to 3.2.3, correct? Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Feb 22 19:52:04 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow References: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040222231406.GL23400@iucha.net> Message-ID: <002c01c3f9af$a315e520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Florin Iucha writes: > http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-01/msg00085.html > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-09/1648.html Could you explain your point here? Linus' posts seem to be more or less orthogonal to mine. My point is that the FreeBSD libc provides the same things that glibc does, yet it is an order of magnitude smaller when statically linked with a basically empty program. Incidentally, that first thread is amusing. Anyone that knows anything about secure programming in C should recognize that strlcpy() and strlcat() are FAR superior to strncpy() and strncat(). If you are going to write C and use C strings, it is almost stupid not to use the strl routines. Many of the posts in that thread are idiotic. Any API that makes it easier to write secure code is clearly a good thing. Not to mention the huge performance increase that getting rid of strncpy() can bring. Even though glibc is bloated, I think it should include the strl routines. They are already supported in FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris and Mac OS X. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Feb 22 20:00:33 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I am running Fedora Core 1. Am I correct that my assumption that either > I need to recompile the kernel using gcc 3.3.2? I don't know if I > downgrade my gcc to 3.2.3, correct? You can do those, yeah. I'd rebuild the kernel first. Hwoever, it should give you the option to override that. It has a good possibility of working, despite the warnings. I'd give THAT a try first. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Sun Feb 22 20:26:03 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: References: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <1077503164.1675.0.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Hello, I have done this, and went ahead despite the error message, to see what would happen, and it worked fine for me. Have not had any issues as of yet. YMMV of course. -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 20:00, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > I am running Fedora Core 1. Am I correct that my assumption that either > > I need to recompile the kernel using gcc 3.3.2? I don't know if I > > downgrade my gcc to 3.2.3, correct? > > You can do those, yeah. I'd rebuild the kernel first. > > Hwoever, it should give you the option to override that. It has a good > possibility of working, despite the warnings. I'd give THAT a try first. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun Feb 22 20:19:52 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: References: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <1077502791.4016.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 20:00, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > I am running Fedora Core 1. Am I correct that my assumption that either > > I need to recompile the kernel using gcc 3.3.2? I don't know if I > > downgrade my gcc to 3.2.3, correct? > > You can do those, yeah. I'd rebuild the kernel first. > > Hwoever, it should give you the option to override that. It has a good > possibility of working, despite the warnings. I'd give THAT a try first. > Yes, it does and also says that it may cause instability. I was just trying to weigh all my options. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy at rosengren.org Sun Feb 22 21:20:30 2004 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy A. Rosengren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <4039717E.2060709@rosengren.org> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I am trying to install VMWare Workstation 4 and I receive the following: > > Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.2.3", while you are trying > to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.2". This configuration is not > recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please > try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. > Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.2" anyway? [ > > I am running Fedora Core 1. Am I correct that my assumption that either > I need to recompile the kernel using gcc 3.3.2? I don't know if I > downgrade my gcc to 3.2.3, correct? > > Perry Hoekstra RedHat/Fedora ships a gcc32 RPM package. This provides a compatible compiler to what is currently used to build the kernel. Once you install the gcc32-3.2.3 package, assuming bash: #export CC=gcc32 #vmware-config.pl That'll take care of the warning and the modules should compile. -- jeremy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Feb 22 22:55:04 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: <1077502791.4016.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1077500618.3029.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> <1077502791.4016.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <1041831812.3e191784db8cf@webmail.real-time.com> Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > Yes, it does and also says that it may cause instability. I was > just > trying to weigh all my options. > I can't run VMWare on any of my Slack boxes because the "kernel is too new, and unsupported by VMWare" as they've told me. So, I've got this $300 piece of software sitting on my desk unused.... -- Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Feb 22 22:41:45 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <20040222201819.GG24827@techmonkeys.org> References: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> <20040222201819.GG24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1077511303.25505.22.camel@bigtime> > Wow! It boots faster. Tell you what, shove all your nice tidy init scripts > into a single bash script in /etc/rc.d, remove all the applications that > don't have an equivalent on FreeBSD, then reboot. Comparing boot times > on two different OS's is like comparing clock speeds between AMD, Intel > and IBM (Mac). I don't know about you but my desktop runs for months at a time straight so boot time is hardly a concern. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 23:13:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for lib Message-ID: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com> I'm looking for libqt1.so.1 I've googled everywhere and can't find the darn thing. If I knew where on my Red Had disk to look I'd look there. Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Feb 22 23:28:46 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for lib In-Reply-To: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 11:13:50PM -0600 References: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040222232846.C30444@thinkunix.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I'm looking for libqt1.so.1 > > I've googled everywhere and can't find the darn thing. > If I knew where on my Red Had disk to look I'd look there. mount /mnt/cdrom find /mnt/cdrom -type f -name \*qt\* -print _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Feb 22 23:46:54 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow References: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> <20040222201819.GG24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <003301c3f9d0$719c7a60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > Aside from all that, a majority of FreeBSD's support for newer > hardware is a port of drivers from Linux, usually with some > lost functionality in the transition. FreeBSD does not use Linux drivers as they are GPL. If you have proof otherwise, please post it. Of course, if you are referring to companies such as NVIDIA porting their drivers from Linux to FreeBSD, then you are correct. A counter example would be FreeBSD having USB support long before Linux (I haven't looked up the exact dates). > all your nice tidy init scripts into a single bash script in /etc/rc.d All shell scripts in FreeBSD use /bin/sh, which is not bash. bash only gets installed from ports if the user chooses to install it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 22 23:45:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for lib In-Reply-To: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com> References: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com> Message-ID: <40399360.6030903@visi.com> OK so I found it but now I can't get an ncurses lib to install because it conflicts. So much for trying to install an old version of KDE on a newer version of RH 8 Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I'm looking for libqt1.so.1 > > I've googled everywhere and can't find the darn thing. > If I knew where on my Red Had disk to look I'd look there. > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Mon Feb 23 00:09:47 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for lib In-Reply-To: <40399360.6030903@visi.com> References: <40398C0E.5040803@visi.com> <40399360.6030903@visi.com> Message-ID: <4039992B.1040805@jentges.NET> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > OK so I found it but now I can't get an ncurses lib to install because > it conflicts. ?? That's where them tarballs come in handy. :) > > So much for trying to install an old version of KDE on a newer version > of RH 8 > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> I'm looking for libqt1.so.1 >> >> I've googled everywhere and can't find the darn thing. >> If I knew where on my Red Had disk to look I'd look there. >> >> Sam >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Sun Feb 22 21:34:41 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <0b9301c3f989$6681bc40$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040223033441.GA19637@dad1> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:18:22PM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Munir Nassar writes: > > i highly doubt i18n is the cause for codebloat. The demands for > > eyecandy on the other hand is much more likely to cause a system to > > crawl. > > glibc is bloated because it's a GNU project. But seriously, it does seem to > be quite bloated. > > Compile a "Hello world" program in C, link it statically then strip it. On > Debian with glibc it is 416k. On FreeBSD it is 46k. That is a huge > difference. With dietlibc it is 12k. So you say a hello world prog is 416K with existing glibc? Does it consume that much in memory? How can I find out? Top seems a bit coarse, /proc/pid/mem seems like, hmm, just a bunch of numbers... If everythings dynamically linked, I would hope the glibc code space is shared by all apps, that would make it less of an issue. Karl. > My guess is that the primary cause of this is glibc not being broken up well > into modules, so lots of unused stuff is being linked into the binary. > Sure, a few hundred kbytes doesn't seem like a lot, but it can make an > enormous difference for many applications. For example, a very small > forking web server can outperform Apache and even some non-blocking web > servers when it doesn't have a bloated libc. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Feb 23 01:19:51 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <003301c3f9d0$719c7a60$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <40390398.6040206@umn.edu> <20040222201819.GG24827@techmonkeys.org> <003301c3f9d0$719c7a60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040223071950.GJ24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 11:46:54PM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > FreeBSD does not use Linux drivers as they are GPL. If you have proof > otherwise, please post it. >>> http://ovtvid-bsd.sourceforge.net/ "The program is heavily based on the OV511 Linux driver by Mark W. McClelland." http://www.cs.duke.edu/~anderson/freebsd/maestro3xxx/ "Acknowledgments # Zach Brown for his Linux driver core and helpful technical comments. ... # Scott Long made a more direct FreeBSD port of the Linux driver, and is now co-author of this driver. See his Maestro3 page. " further on: "The device interaction in this driver is derived (read: copy/pasted) from Zach Brown's Linux driver, which is (c) Zach Brown and under GPLv2. The DSP code and header files are included with the Linux driver and also under GPL from ESS. In the spirit of "getting things working" Zach is informally allowing this use of his code within the scope of the BSD license, thanks Zach! " ^- Just because it's a Linux driver doesn't make it impossible to use for BSD http://www.xsproject.org/speedtouch/ "Thanks to: Benoit Papillault, who wrote orignial the linux driver. Jorgen Lundman and Jon Barlow for their help and their time porting the driver under NetBSD." http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=79 "This driver is a complete rewriting of the Linux driver with an emphasis on performances and under a BSD License." (ie, we didn't like the license so we looked at the code and reworked it how we wanted) <<< Nobody said it was bad/wrong, just not as nice as having the support on Linux first, instead of waiting for someone to hack up a port. > A counter example would be FreeBSD having USB support long before Linux (I > haven't looked up the exact dates). Depends on your definition of 'support' =) > All shell scripts in FreeBSD use /bin/sh, which is not bash. bash only gets > installed from ports if the user chooses to install it. Sorry, I meant sh, I'm used to sh being a symlink to bash. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 23 04:08:39 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077530918.25505.46.camel@bigtime> > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that > is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is > it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even > slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently > as possible? She needs Open Office. Mainly its RAM usage bloat. KDE is huge. Recent glibc's are far larger than years past. Open office is huge and has its own entire GUI toolkit... Just found this. Experimental uClibc based debian: http://people.debian.org/~andersee/ At the last SCALUG installfest we discovered to our suprise Abiword ran pefectly usable on a 486 running a recent debian. It wasn't pretty with the vga16 driver (didn't have time to mess around with trying to get native video support...) but it worked. Blackbox window manager. It helped that this 486 had 32mb RAM which is kind of a lot for a 486. apt however was slower than hell. Probably mostly bottlenecked by disk. Pre-udma IDE, yuck. :P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Mon Feb 23 04:54:56 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: <1077530918.25505.46.camel@bigtime> References: <1077530918.25505.46.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <4039DC00.6060700@jentges.NET> I still maintain if you want to run a hard working low budget server toss a barebones slackware install on them old boxen, toss it in a closet and forget about it. Otherwise if the GUI thing is what you need Win2k runs fine on them with 128+ mb RAM. Use whats best for the job, provided your job isn't developing KDE. :) -mj Callum Lerwick wrote: >>I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that >>is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is >>it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even >>slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently >>as possible? She needs Open Office. > > > Mainly its RAM usage bloat. KDE is huge. Recent glibc's are far larger > than years past. Open office is huge and has its own entire GUI > toolkit... > > Just found this. Experimental uClibc based debian: > http://people.debian.org/~andersee/ > > At the last SCALUG installfest we discovered to our suprise Abiword ran > pefectly usable on a 486 running a recent debian. It wasn't pretty with > the vga16 driver (didn't have time to mess around with trying to get > native video support...) but it worked. Blackbox window manager. It > helped that this 486 had 32mb RAM which is kind of a lot for a 486. > > apt however was slower than hell. Probably mostly bottlenecked by disk. > Pre-udma IDE, yuck. :P > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Mon Feb 23 10:22:40 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake boot issues In-Reply-To: <40394E8A.8020200@visi.com> Message-ID: I made that change in the BIOS. > BTW where ( in what file ) did you make the change? > What boot loader are you using, Gimp, Lilo, ??? > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Feb 23 12:05:11 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Cisco Switches I have 24 of these $5.00 each. ...... Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. ...... >From the Cisco website. ...... Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel® technology http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Feb 23 12:20:19 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D Message-ID: <1077560419.3360.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have not found a clear answer to this yet. Anyone know how to send a C-A-D command when accessing a windows machine via VNC from a linux box? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Feb 23 12:18:49 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040223181849.GA28772@therub.org> I'll take 2 - reply off list? dan On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Cisco Switches > > I have 24 of these > $5.00 each. > ...... > Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > ...... > >From the Cisco website. > ...... > Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. > Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs > Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel® technology > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Feb 23 12:44:55 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D In-Reply-To: <1077560419.3360.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have not found a clear answer to this yet. Anyone know how to send a > C-A-D command when accessing a windows machine via VNC from a linux box? Hit F8. If you have F8 bound to something else (like I do), try Alt+F8, F8 with capslock on, something like that. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Mon Feb 23 12:37:56 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D Message-ID: I know this one. On my machine I type ctl-alt-del :) VNC sends the keystrokes just fine from the linux machine because it is not windows. If that doesn't work then use the right-side ctl-alt-del. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Norton [mailto:admin@lctn.org] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D I have not found a clear answer to this yet. Anyone know how to send a C-A-D command when accessing a windows machine via VNC from a linux box? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Feb 23 12:43:09 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D Message-ID: Control Alt Shift Delete works sometimes, but not from KDE on RHL7.3 :-( ... >>> admin@lctn.org 02/23/04 12:20PM >>> I have not found a clear answer to this yet. Anyone know how to send a C-A-D command when accessing a windows machine via VNC from a linux box? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Feb 23 14:01:01 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040223200101.GA18524@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Cisco Switches > > I have 24 of these > $5.00 each. > ...... > Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > ...... > >From the Cisco website. > ...... > Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. > Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs > Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > I'll take two. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Feb 23 14:20:53 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <403A60A5.9020602@lorenburlingame.com> TCLUG Classifieds wrote: count me in for 2 as well please. > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Cisco Switches > > I have 24 of these > $5.00 each. > ...... > Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > ...... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Feb 23 14:59:48 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: <1041831812.3e191784db8cf@webmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: Does that mean you're running 2.6 and VMWare doesn't run on that? Or are you running 2.4.whatever-is-newest? I'm going to be purchasing several copies of this for work and I'd like to know what I'll be getting; this is the first I've heard of VMWare not working under Linux. John -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:44 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare Question Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > Yes, it does and also says that it may cause instability. I was just > trying to weigh all my options. > I can't run VMWare on any of my Slack boxes because the "kernel is too new, and unsupported by VMWare" as they've told me. So, I've got this $300 piece of software sitting on my desk unused.... -- Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Feb 23 15:46:03 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <1077572763.bcd9d83ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Put me down for 4. -----Original Message----- From: TCLUG Classifieds To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:05:11 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Cisco Switches I have 24 of these $5.00 each. ...... Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. ...... >From the Cisco website. ...... Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 23 17:33:51 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040223200101.GA18524@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> <20040223200101.GA18524@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <403A8DDF.1050709@visi.com> Times Tonight 2-23-03 is good Tuesday is bad Wednesday after 4:30PM good Thursday after 4:30PM good Friday after 5:00PM good ( I may go a beer meeting ) Saturday is bad Sunday after 12:00 noon is good. If you use MapQuest for the map, be careful, the Map they use is old, highway 7 has changed. Use 2nd Street the exit and go left (at the stop sign) and left again (at the stop sign) up Mill Street. Over the bridge the third left "Wheeler Drive" (excluding the ramp to hwy 7 east) 532 Wheeler Drive Excelsior, MN. 55331 Phone 952-470-9224 Times: Call me to arrange a time to pick it up. Terms: Cash only please. I don't ship because I don't have the facilities (packaging) to ship. Sam James Kaufman wrote: >On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > >>New TCLUG Classified Ad >> >>Category: Computer >> >>Type of Ad: For Sale >> >>Subject: Cisco Switches >> >>I have 24 of these >>$5.00 each. >>...... >>Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. >>...... >>>From the Cisco website. >>...... >>Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. >>Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs >>Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology >> >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi >> >> >> >> > >I'll take two. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Feb 23 18:11:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403A96A5.2090405@visi.com> Hey I plugged in one of these 1900's (I know nothing about these) I couldn't get connectivity from 2 separate computers. Do I have to do something with this thing to get it to work? Do I have to go in to OS and set parameters? Sam. Jima wrote: >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > > >>I have not found a clear answer to this yet. Anyone know how to send a >>C-A-D command when accessing a windows machine via VNC from a linux box? >> >> > > Hit F8. If you have F8 bound to something else (like I do), try Alt+F8, >F8 with capslock on, something like that. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Feb 23 18:30:09 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040223183009.00007fde@beethoven> Hmm, this is not on the website. I'd like one as well Sam. I'll check your times and get back to you. Josh On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:05:11 -0600 TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Cisco Switches > > I have 24 of these > $5.00 each. > ...... > Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > ...... > >From the Cisco website. > ...... > Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. > Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs > Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Feb 23 19:05:33 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402240105.i1O15XD26255@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: I need help with a PHP/MySQL app I have a small MSAccess database I want to convert to PHP/MySQL or something similar. Can anyone help or direct me to someone that can do this cheaply. Thanks. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Feb 23 19:29:35 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D In-Reply-To: <403A96A5.2090405@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 06:11:17PM -0600 References: <403A96A5.2090405@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040223192935.A19548@thinkunix.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Hey I plugged in one of these 1900's (I know nothing about these) I > couldn't get connectivity from 2 separate computers. > > Do I have to do something with this thing to get it to work? > Do I have to go in to OS and set parameters? might be vlan'd. try connecting to the console port and see if you can login, otherwise you might have to reset the switch. just google for something like "lost password cisco 1900" -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Feb 23 22:14:08 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200402240414.i1O4E8C28456@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Free Computers I have a couple of machines that I no longer need. Anyone can claim one of these fine articles of history for themselves no cost! 1 IBM 300 GL, Model 6282-30U, 1.2gb drive, slimline case, 32 Mb Ram, 10 mb 3com NIC 1 IBM 300 GL, Model 6282-30U, 1.2gb drive, slimline case, 64 Mb Ram, 10 mb 3com NIC 1 Gateway 2000 4dx2-66v (with a P83 overdrive chip!). 1.2gb drive, baby AT desktop, 40 Mb Ram, 10 mb 3com NIC 1 Mid-tower case, no power supply, just the case Jim Streit http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Feb 24 05:45:15 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077623115.403b394b5878a@webmail.real-time.com> Quoting "John T. Hoffoss" : > Does that mean you're running 2.6 and VMWare doesn't run on that? > Or are > you running 2.4.whatever-is-newest? I'm going to be purchasing > several > copies of this for work and I'd like to know what I'll be getting; > this > is the first I've heard of VMWare not working under Linux. > I was running the default kernel with Slack 9.1. 2.4.22 kernenl. I haven't tried upping the kernel. I posted up about it a couple of weeks ago, but never got a response. I'll dig for my response from VMWare and post it up. -- Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Tue Feb 24 08:41:35 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403B629F.90704@igi.com> VMWare beta 4.5 works with 2.6 kernels just fine, both as host and client. I have been running 2.6.3 kernel and VMWare 4.5 betas for a little while now and I havent had any problems. If your a customer you have access to the betas. I get an email that tells me how to get them. John T. Hoffoss wrote: >Does that mean you're running 2.6 and VMWare doesn't run on that? Or are >you running 2.4.whatever-is-newest? I'm going to be purchasing several >copies of this for work and I'd like to know what I'll be getting; this >is the first I've heard of VMWare not working under Linux. > >John > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:44 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare Question > > >Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > > >>Yes, it does and also says that it may cause instability. I was just >>trying to weigh all my options. >> >> >> > >I can't run VMWare on any of my Slack boxes because the >"kernel is too new, and unsupported by VMWare" as they've told me. So, >I've got this $300 piece of software sitting on my desk >unused.... > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Feb 24 09:40:55 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux vnc C-A-D In-Reply-To: <20040223192935.A19548@thinkunix.net> References: <403A96A5.2090405@visi.com> <20040223192935.A19548@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040224154055.GB23862@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 24 10:16:52 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare Question In-Reply-To: <403B629F.90704@igi.com> References: <403B629F.90704@igi.com> Message-ID: <20040224161652.GC8216@fandre.com> I've been running VMWare 4.0.5 on 2.6.3 without any problems. You just need to run the vmware-any-any-update first to patch your vmware-config.pl file. http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ Here are a few other 2.6 FAQs: http://armin.emx.at/kernel_2.6/kernel_2.6_faq.html On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > VMWare beta 4.5 works with 2.6 kernels just fine, both as host and > client. I have been running 2.6.3 kernel and VMWare 4.5 betas for a > little while now and I havent had any problems. > > If your a customer you have access to the betas. I get an email that > tells me how to get them. > > > > > John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > >Does that mean you're running 2.6 and VMWare doesn't run on that? Or are > >you running 2.4.whatever-is-newest? I'm going to be purchasing several > >copies of this for work and I'd like to know what I'll be getting; this > >is the first I've heard of VMWare not working under Linux. > > > >John > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn > >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:44 PM > >To: TCLUG Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare Question > > > > > >Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > > > > > > >>Yes, it does and also says that it may cause instability. I was just > >>trying to weigh all my options. > >> > >> > >> > > > >I can't run VMWare on any of my Slack boxes because the > >"kernel is too new, and unsupported by VMWare" as they've told me. So, > >I've got this $300 piece of software sitting on my desk > >unused.... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Tue Feb 24 10:38:24 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403B7E00.6080709@umn.edu> >>Can I find out all that my os is loading at startup by looking at the >>init file? I've heard debian, gentoo, slackware use up less memory >>usually than the commercial distros, how much of this do they use? what >>does windows 3.1, 95, xp use compared to modern linux? > > > On RedHat/Fedora you can run 'chkconfig --list' to see everything that's > being run on boot. Disable thing you don't use like isdn, pcmcia (if it's > a desktop), cups (if you don't have a printer attached), kudzu (if you aren't > plugging in new devices) etc. > > 'chkconfig off' will disable the service thanks, does that work for other distros? >>I don't think osnews counts as a freebsd zealot and they say: >> >>http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5821&page=2 > > > The woman who wrote the article is a BeOS/OS X/BSD fan. Also, read > the rest of the article where she talks about the problems she had: > > "The FreeBSD installer let me choose of 2-3 ways of configuring X, and I > first chose the graphical one, which failed. I decided to deal with X later > (after the installation had finished), and so later I just copied my > XF86Config from my Slackware 9.2-Current partition and used that successfully." > > This is the sort of thing that RedHat/Fedora & company do for you automatically, > joe six pack can't be expected to figure out how to fix his XF86Config. > > Another one: > > "When I created the "eugenia" user using the installer, I typed /bin/bash as the shell > for that user but what I didn't remember was that the location of that binary on > FreeBSD was /usr/local/bin/bash. I could edit the passwd files later to correct this, > but as I was already booted to KDE as root (couldn't login as "eugenia" yet because > of bash's wrong path) I decided to use the kuser KDE application to fix my user's > entry. A minute later I had everything saved and tried to login as eugenia. > Seemingly everything went ok. But when I needed to "su -" to root to do some additional > first-time configurations I noticed in terror that I could not login as root at all > anymore. Apparently kuser had mangled both the /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd > files and deleted the first 3 lines of these files which contained the information for > root. It took me over an hour trying to find on Google clues as to how to put my > installation back together as my last resort would have being re-installation. " > > I think that one speaks for itself. > > Another: > > "The ov511 driver for FreeBSD is not up to date for 5.2, but even if it were, it > would not work with Gnomemeeting because the driver port from Linux was done to > merely grab snapshots from it and not to do video. I wrote to some of the ov511 > developers about it and they told me that they wouldn't do the job to completely > port the driver properly because there is no infrastructure on FreeBSD like > Video4Linux is on Linux. " > > ^-- This is some of that support I mentioned that doesn't exist in FreeBSD. Many > applications use the V4L and V4L2 API.. pretty much any video conferencing programs, > all the TV tuning applications (MythTV as well), radio applications (for radio tuners), > and most webcams. > > Aside from all that, a majority of FreeBSD's support for newer hardware is a > port of drivers from Linux, usually with some lost functionality in the transition. > > >>"Not all is bad though. On the upside of FreeBSD you will find its >>speed. On my AthlonXP 1600+ 1.4 GHz, FreeBSD boots in about 16-18 >>seconds, the same as a lite Slackware or Gentoo, but way faster >>comparatively on other popular Linuces like Fedora or Mandrake or SuSE. > > > Wow! It boots faster. Tell you what, shove all your nice tidy init scripts > into a single bash script in /etc/rc.d, remove all the applications that > don't have an equivalent on FreeBSD, then reboot. Comparing boot times > on two different OS's is like comparing clock speeds between AMD, Intel > and IBM (Mac). > > >>As I have mentioned in the past Slackware was the fastest platform to >>run X/Gnome/KDE according to my tests, but the crown of DE speed now >>goes to FreeBSD 5.2. GTK apps are a bit faster than in Slackware overall >>but applications load significantly faster on FreeBSD." > > > That's assuming the applications you need/want even run on FreeBSD, even > worse is their comparision between different versions of Linux -- it's the > same kernel, the same libraries, and the same programs. Speed is only going > to be affected by your hardware configuration and whiz-bang features. My point was never about bsd's general fitness on the desktop, it was about speed and memory footprint, even then, I didn't actually say it was better, only that that's what had been reported to me. >>"Faster than Linux on the desktop (at least compared to kernel 2.4.x >>distros)" > > > See above, do the init script thing, disable all the support for things > that don't exist in FreeBSD, and configure KDE/GNOME similarly and you'll > get pretty much the same performance, with less polish, and less user > friendly-ness slackware uses bsd style scripts and is apparently not quite as fast as freebsd according to the article. And my point wasn't about startup, it was about using the os is graphical mode. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Tue Feb 24 11:49:05 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware boot issues (was mandrake) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403B8E91.10909@umn.edu> > I'm thinking out loud so give me a minute... > > The "/etc/fstab" could be pointing at the CDROM for boot > > If your using Grub "boot=/dev/cdrom" when it should be pointing to > "/dev/hda/" > I'm using Grub on my laptop so I looked at that. > If your using Lilo it could be pointing to "/dev/cdrom" when it should > be pointing to "/dev/hda/" > My desktop is running Lilo but it's not plugged in... > > Be careful changing these settings, know where your partitions are > point before you change anything. > > Have you tried the "fdisk /mbr" thing? > If you do you will need to reinstall Linux > You could use a W95 or W98 boot CD to do it. > Wack the partitions with Linux "cfdisk or fdisk" first then use the > DOS boot "fdisk /mbr" > Then reinstall Linux. > Power off between restarts. > > It's a somewhat tedious process but it doesn't take all that long. > > If all else fails, down load the "dban" iso for CD's. Burn a CD for dban > and wipe the disk. > Then install Linux. I have a similar problem. I originally installed redhat 9 on my computer. I had /boot, /, and swap partitions. I tried installing slack 9.1 on it, overwriting everything. I got weird messages about it running out of room so I deleted the first two partitions and made one unified one. when I installed again, it asked if I wanted to put the boot loader on the mbr or on the first partition or something. It said the later was safer, so I did that. now when I turn my computer on, it gives me my bios splash screen, prints GRUB, then my monitor flickers off and on, I get the splash screen again, and it prints GRUB again until I turn it off. Booting off a floppy gets me slackware without a problem. Redhat 9 uses grub and slack uses lilo so I believe grub's on the mbr and my computer is booting off that. Is there any way I can fix this without reinstalling? how do I tell my computer to boot off the first sector or how do I delete/fix the mbr? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Tue Feb 24 13:03:42 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <403A8DDF.1050709@visi.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> <20040223200101.GA18524@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <403A8DDF.1050709@visi.com> Message-ID: <1077649422.14740.440.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Any left? I'll take a few.. On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 17:33, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Times > Tonight 2-23-03 is good > Tuesday is bad > Wednesday after 4:30PM good > Thursday after 4:30PM good > Friday after 5:00PM good ( I may go a beer meeting ) > Saturday is bad > Sunday after 12:00 noon is good. > > > > If you use MapQuest for the map, be careful, the Map they use is old, > highway 7 has changed. > > Use 2nd Street the exit and go left (at the stop sign) and left again > (at the stop sign) up Mill Street. > > Over the bridge the third left "Wheeler Drive" (excluding the ramp to > hwy 7 east) > > 532 Wheeler Drive > Excelsior, MN. 55331 > > Phone 952-470-9224 > > Times: > Call me to arrange a time to pick it up. > > Terms: > Cash only please. > I don't ship because I don't have the facilities (packaging) to ship. > > > Sam > > James Kaufman wrote: > > >On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > > > > >>New TCLUG Classified Ad > >> > >>Category: Computer > >> > >>Type of Ad: For Sale > >> > >>Subject: Cisco Switches > >> > >>I have 24 of these > >>$5.00 each. > >>...... > >>Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > >>...... > >>>From the Cisco website. > >>...... > >>Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. > >>Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs > >>Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology > >> > >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >I'll take two. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ender at outlanders.us Tue Feb 24 16:34:35 2004 From: ender at outlanders.us (Thain Spar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware boot issues (was mandrake) In-Reply-To: <403B8E91.10909@umn.edu> References: <403B8E91.10909@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1077662075.403bd17b2e14c@mail.outlanders.us> Easy way is to put the slack cd in and boot up, do not re-fdisk, just load up the setup. Set the partitions again and then skip down to the finalizing installation step. This time select install to mbr. If you cannot jump straight to the finalizing step, you may have to go through the install again, just un-mark all packages so it does not re-install anything. There are better ways to do this, but this is simple. -Thain Quoting Joe Dunsmore : > > I'm thinking out loud so give me a minute... > > > > The "/etc/fstab" could be pointing at the CDROM for boot > > > > If your using Grub "boot=/dev/cdrom" when it should be pointing to > > "/dev/hda/" > > I'm using Grub on my laptop so I looked at that. > > If your using Lilo it could be pointing to "/dev/cdrom" when it should > > be pointing to "/dev/hda/" > > My desktop is running Lilo but it's not plugged in... > > > > Be careful changing these settings, know where your partitions are > > point before you change anything. > > > > Have you tried the "fdisk /mbr" thing? > > If you do you will need to reinstall Linux > > You could use a W95 or W98 boot CD to do it. > > Wack the partitions with Linux "cfdisk or fdisk" first then use the > > DOS boot "fdisk /mbr" > > Then reinstall Linux. > > Power off between restarts. > > > > It's a somewhat tedious process but it doesn't take all that long. > > > > If all else fails, down load the "dban" iso for CD's. Burn a CD for dban > > and wipe the disk. > > Then install Linux. > > I have a similar problem. I originally installed redhat 9 on my > computer. I had /boot, /, and swap partitions. I tried installing > slack 9.1 on it, overwriting everything. I got weird messages about it > running out of room so I deleted the first two partitions and made one > unified one. when I installed again, it asked if I wanted to put the > boot loader on the mbr or on the first partition or something. It said > the later was safer, so I did that. now when I turn my computer on, it > gives me my bios splash screen, prints GRUB, then my monitor flickers > off and on, I get the splash screen again, and it prints GRUB again > until I turn it off. Booting off a floppy gets me slackware without a > problem. Redhat 9 uses grub and slack uses lilo so I believe grub's on > the mbr and my computer is booting off that. Is there any way I can fix > this without reinstalling? how do I tell my computer to boot off the > first sector or how do I delete/fix the mbr? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----------------------------------------- E-mail provided by Outlanders.us _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 24 17:24:39 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches Message-ID: <403BDD37.6070806@visi.com> Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! I sent eMail directly to the folks that got eMail to me first. I can't think of a more fair way to do this. I put your names on them so to speek by the number requested. So... "they are reserved". I picked up a total of 30 and I wanted one so thats 29. I have 1 (one) Catalist 2800 as well, this is a 3 or 4 u machine. It has 25 & 10 mbt, 1 & 100mbt, and 1 fiber $10 If someone wants it let me know... I also have 2 SMC3512tp hubs if anyone is interested. Tonight I'm very busy so no pickups tonight. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Feb 24 18:24:37 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches In-Reply-To: <403BDD37.6070806@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! No kidding. Cisco switches for $5 a pop? Pretty hard to beat, Sam. In case anyone who bought one was wondering how the heck to connect to the serial console port, I managed to piece together a pinout for DB9F-RJ45 adapters that uses a regular straight-through Cat5 cable (instead of the "rollover" cable, as per spec). If anyone is interested in the directions, or wants an adapter (costs about $3), email me off-list and I can help you out. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Tue Feb 24 19:02:09 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches Message-ID: You should be able to define an IP address using arp and the MAC address. Set a new IP address on your network using: arp -s This has worked for me once and I can't remember the settings correctly. The idea is to set a IP address using a MAC address. So when you request/telnet to the IP address the local computer uses your arp entry to request the correct MAC address. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:25 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! No kidding. Cisco switches for $5 a pop? Pretty hard to beat, Sam. In case anyone who bought one was wondering how the heck to connect to the serial console port, I managed to piece together a pinout for DB9F-RJ45 adapters that uses a regular straight-through Cat5 cable (instead of the "rollover" cable, as per spec). If anyone is interested in the directions, or wants an adapter (costs about $3), email me off-list and I can help you out. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 24 21:05:53 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches In-Reply-To: <403BDD37.6070806@visi.com> References: <403BDD37.6070806@visi.com> Message-ID: If there's two or one left I'll take two or one! thanks Sam! On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:24:39 -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! > > I sent eMail directly to the folks that got eMail to me first. I can't > think of a more fair way to do this. > > I put your names on them so to speek by the number requested. > > So... "they are reserved". > > I picked up a total of 30 and I wanted one so thats 29. > > I have 1 (one) Catalist 2800 as well, this is a 3 or 4 u machine. > It has 25 & 10 mbt, 1 & 100mbt, and 1 fiber $10 > If someone wants it let me know... > > I also have 2 SMC3512tp hubs if anyone is interested. > > Tonight I'm very busy so no pickups tonight. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 24 21:12:56 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403C12B8.7010001@visi.com> You "will" need to change the addressing in these switches, but it's really easy! I'll let you all know how it goes connecting to my Linksys... time to get the crimper out :o) Sam. Jeffery Rasmussen wrote: >You should be able to define an IP address using arp and the MAC address. >Set a new IP address on your network using: >arp -s > >This has worked for me once and I can't remember the settings correctly. >The idea is to set a IP address using a MAC address. So when you >request/telnet to the IP address the local computer uses your arp entry to >request the correct MAC address. > >Jeff > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:25 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches > > >On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! >> >> > > No kidding. Cisco switches for $5 a pop? Pretty hard to beat, Sam. > > In case anyone who bought one was wondering how the heck to connect to >the serial console port, I managed to piece together a pinout for >DB9F-RJ45 adapters that uses a regular straight-through Cat5 cable >(instead of the "rollover" cable, as per spec). If anyone is interested >in the directions, or wants an adapter (costs about $3), email me off-list >and I can help you out. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:30:20 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL Message-ID: Does anyone have any ideas why I can't play audio CDs or watch DVDs on my computer? I am running Fedora Core 1.0. I can play mpegs and avis with MPlayer but I can't get my cds to recognized. when i click on my cd it tells me that it can't mount and I realize that audio cds don't mount. any ideas? And another question does anyone have any ideas on where i can find a linmodem for my Dell Inspiron 1100. I downloaded the linmodem software to figure out what type of linmodem I should get but I can't figure out which one I need from that. Also I am trying to get PengAOL to work. Does anyone else use it and know how to you use it? What IPs are linux friendly? THanks, Chris >From: Samuel MacDonald >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:56 -0600 > >You "will" need to change the addressing in these switches, but it's really >easy! >I'll let you all know how it goes connecting to my Linksys... > time to get the crimper out :o) > >Sam. > >Jeffery Rasmussen wrote: > >>You should be able to define an IP address using arp and the MAC address. >>Set a new IP address on your network using: >>arp -s >> >>This has worked for me once and I can't remember the settings correctly. >>The idea is to set a IP address using a MAC address. So when you >>request/telnet to the IP address the local computer uses your arp entry to >>request the correct MAC address. >> >>Jeff >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] >>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:25 PM >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco Switches >> >> >>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>Holy Cats, I guess I didn't expect the enthusisam! >>> >>> >> >>No kidding. Cisco switches for $5 a pop? Pretty hard to beat, Sam. >> >>In case anyone who bought one was wondering how the heck to connect to the >>serial console port, I managed to piece together a pinout for DB9F-RJ45 >>adapters that uses a regular straight-through Cat5 cable (instead of the >>"rollover" cable, as per spec). If anyone is interested in the >>directions, or wants an adapter (costs about $3), email me off-list and I >>can help you out. >> >> Jima >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 24 21:55:15 2004 From: john4293 at tc.umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware boot issues (was mandrake) In-Reply-To: <403B8E91.10909@umn.edu> References: <403B8E91.10909@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040224215515.191cc0fd.john4293@tc.umn.edu> I believe you can wipe your boot sector with dd then change your /etc/lilo.conf to place the bootloader on the mbr. # dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 that should wipe the boot sector, but it might not hurt to back up what's there first: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 should copy the boot sector to a floppy for safekeeping. then change the boot parameter in lilo.conf like so boot = /dev/hda and run lilo to regenerate the bootloader. that's what i would do, someone correct me if i'm wrong. Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Feb 24 22:34:25 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Chris Desjardins wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas why I can't play audio CDs or watch DVDs on my > computer? I am running Fedora Core 1.0. I can play mpegs and avis with > MPlayer but I can't get my cds to recognized. when i click on my cd it > tells me that it can't mount and I realize that audio cds don't mount. any > ideas? to play audio cds you can use xmms-cdread, but gnome|kde bluecurve should have a cdplayer of sorts as well. you may also need the audio cable. though i have found it best to rip my cds to oggs, much more flexible. > And another question does anyone have any ideas on where i can find a > linmodem for my Dell Inspiron 1100. I downloaded the linmodem software to > figure out what type of linmodem I should get but I can't figure out which > one I need from that. from my experience dell uses the Lucent WinmodemLTs linmodems.org should have those drivers, they work reasonably well. > Also I am trying to get PengAOL to work. Does anyone else use it and know > how to you use it? never heard of it :) > What IPs are linux friendly? IPs? as in ipaddresses? all of them -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ PS. Please dont hijack threads. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Feb 24 23:50:05 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switchs Message-ID: <403C378D.6030706@visi.com> WooHoo! I got my Switch configured I can ping and surf from machines connected to it. I did a "reset to factory defaults" I added an IP addresss, Subnet Mask, and Default Gateway I added an address for the Switch I plugged the cable from my Linksys in and it worked. The web interface lets me see the switch from any place in my LAN. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Feb 25 07:43:17 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Chris Desjardins wrote: > > And another question does anyone have any ideas on where i can find a > > linmodem for my Dell Inspiron 1100. I downloaded the linmodem software to > > figure out what type of linmodem I should get but I can't figure out which > > one I need from that. > > from my experience dell uses the Lucent WinmodemLTs > linmodems.org should have those drivers, they work reasonably well. Not quite. I know the Latitude c840 uses a pctel chipset; there are Linux drivers (although not kernel-native) for that, too. However, a bit of Googling suggests that there are actually three different modems used in the 1100 (Conexant, Smartlink, and PCtel/Broadcom). Great. There are links to drivers for all three here: http://www.geocities.com/randomnumbergenerator2001/#redhat_9_modem Hope this helps. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 08:20:13 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL Message-ID: I think it should. It looks like the author of that page has updated it. I used that website to help install fedora initially. >From: Jima >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:43:17 -0600 (CST) > >On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Chris Desjardins wrote: > > > And another question does anyone have any ideas on where i can find a > > > linmodem for my Dell Inspiron 1100. I downloaded the linmodem >software to > > > figure out what type of linmodem I should get but I can't figure out >which > > > one I need from that. > > > > from my experience dell uses the Lucent WinmodemLTs > > linmodems.org should have those drivers, they work reasonably well. > > Not quite. I know the Latitude c840 uses a pctel chipset; there are >Linux drivers (although not kernel-native) for that, too. > However, a bit of Googling suggests that there are actually three >different modems used in the 1100 (Conexant, Smartlink, and >PCtel/Broadcom). Great. There are links to drivers for all three here: > >http://www.geocities.com/randomnumbergenerator2001/#redhat_9_modem > > Hope this helps. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 08:22:09 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL Message-ID: Do I need to rip my cds to play them? What about DVDs? I was able to just throw a cd in my cdrom driver and it would play without any prompting and then I messed around with it for a while to get my cd burner to work (which I haven't been able to) and now I can't do anything. Samething with my DVD. Chris >From: Munir Nassar >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:34:25 -0600 (CST) > >On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Chris Desjardins wrote: > > > Does anyone have any ideas why I can't play audio CDs or watch DVDs on >my > > computer? I am running Fedora Core 1.0. I can play mpegs and avis with > > MPlayer but I can't get my cds to recognized. when i click on my cd it > > tells me that it can't mount and I realize that audio cds don't mount. >any > > ideas? > >to play audio cds you can use xmms-cdread, but gnome|kde bluecurve should >have a cdplayer of sorts as well. > >you may also need the audio cable. though i have found it best to rip my >cds to oggs, much more flexible. > > > And another question does anyone have any ideas on where i can find a > > linmodem for my Dell Inspiron 1100. I downloaded the linmodem software >to > > figure out what type of linmodem I should get but I can't figure out >which > > one I need from that. > >from my experience dell uses the Lucent WinmodemLTs >linmodems.org should have those drivers, they work reasonably well. > > > Also I am trying to get PengAOL to work. Does anyone else use it and >know > > how to you use it? > >never heard of it :) > > > What IPs are linux friendly? > >IPs? as in ipaddresses? all of them > >-- >Munir Nassar >RedConcepts.NET >http://redconcepts.net/ > >PS. Please dont hijack threads. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Feb 25 08:30:11 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business Message-ID: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> The rumors are true. I'm assuming the other MegaCentral's on this list got the same notification from Qwest. New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service without phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP charge, the "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address loop-qual process (no phone number). This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and caller ID. If all it takes for something to happen, is for me to say it will never happen, then: "Qwest will never have an option to activate additional PVC's to other DSL hosts/subscribers on a DSL line." "Qwest will never credit my home account $10,000" "AOL will never go the @#$* away" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Feb 25 09:22:51 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, > and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a > "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), > so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on > all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and > caller ID. i am thinking of moving my number to vonage, 15/month for a phone line with 500 minutes a month. includes all the nice features such as callerid and call waiting. in total it only ends up only a few bucks cheaper, but the l33tness of using VoIP makes up for it. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 25 09:17:03 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > The rumors are true. I'm assuming the other MegaCentral's on this list > got the same notification from Qwest. > > New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service without > phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP charge, the > "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address loop-qual process (no > phone number). Yup, same notification. Time to loop-qual a bunch of new people who refuse to use Qwest for POTS. :) You also missed the part about the DSL Deluxe promotions also applying to this service, so free installation. > This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, > and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a > "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), > so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on > all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and > caller ID. You can always swing your number over to Vonage and drop the POTS. > "Qwest will never credit my home account $10,000" Sure they will.. after they accidently charge you $12,000 and you take them to court. (Be careful what you ask for!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Wed Feb 25 11:01:03 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling php as apache dso Message-ID: I am very close to compiling php as apache dso on my Debian box. I compiled apache 1.3 I ran ./configure for php 4.3.4 source "--with-apxs=[path]", the correct [path] to the apxs that apache 1.3 came with. make and make install run without errors... where is my libphp4.so? I am lost. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Feb 25 11:22:36 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling php as apache dso Message-ID: Tom, I am not sure, but you can try to: locate libphp4.so if you file location database has been rebuilt recently (usually done via cron nightly on RH). You could use: find / -name libphp4.so -print or: find / | grep libphp4 and replace '/' with whatever makes sense ('/' will search all mounted file systems and may take a while). Good luck, Troy >>> phptom@wordesign.net 02/25/04 11:01AM >>> I am very close to compiling php as apache dso on my Debian box. I compiled apache 1.3 I ran ./configure for php 4.3.4 source "--with-apxs=[path]", the correct [path] to the apxs that apache 1.3 came with. make and make install run without errors... where is my libphp4.so? I am lost. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Feb 25 11:22:03 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mythtv / prismiq Message-ID: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> Hey gang, I stumbled across http://www.prismiq.com/ today (i saw it on thinkgeek). Anyone have any experience with these? For the unenlightened, it's a debian linux embedded device (diskless, fanless), $199 features: s-video and component video out optical or rca audio out 10/100 ethernet port pcmcia slot for wireless expandability IR remote control optional IR keyboard other crap like AIM chat support, web browsing, but that doesn't work too well on tvs.. streams: video mpeg 1, 2, 4, divx audio mp3, wav, shoutcast pictures jpg, gif, png It can stream any of the above media from smb shares on the network. it does require a windows only client running somewhere on the network.. For $200, it seems liek a pretty good deal but I havn't heard anything about it. I'm also thinking about myth tv - but that seems much more expensive (time and money-wise). Also, as the software is updated new features are added (divx was a recent thing I think, not sure). I also saw a murmur about ogg support -- don't know if that's avaialble currently or not. For me, I have a lot of divx (or, i would like to have a lot of divx :) ) but i want to watch them on a tv, not on my computer. In the past i've just run s-video out from my computer - but my new place i don't want my computer in my living room. This seems like a perfect deal. anyone have experience with it? dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Feb 25 12:20:17 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cgi scripts Message-ID: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am trying to set up a calendar script on my fedora box which runs Apache/2.0.47. My cgi scripts display as text rather than execute even after I have made the necessary modifications to httpd.conf I have placed the scripts in /data/calendar chmod 777 -R /data/calendar Added the following to httpd.conf Options +ExecCGI and restarted the server, but things still display rather than execute. Is there something else in a standard Apache config that is overriding this? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 25 12:50:20 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cgi scripts In-Reply-To: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Raymond Norton's message of "Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:20:17 -0600") References: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Raymond Norton writes: > I am trying to set up a calendar script on my fedora box which runs > Apache/2.0.47. My cgi scripts display as text rather than execute even > after I have made the necessary modifications to httpd.conf > > I have placed the scripts in /data/calendar > > chmod 777 -R /data/calendar > > Added the following to httpd.conf > > > > Options +ExecCGI > > > and restarted the server, but things still display rather than execute. > > Is there something else in a standard Apache config that is overriding > this? Either use scriptalias to make executing the *default* in that directory, or else you have to name the script with something that maps to 'script-handler', like: AddHandler cgi-script .cgi -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Feb 25 12:50:23 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cgi scripts In-Reply-To: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077735023.3091.6.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 12:20, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have placed the scripts in /data/calendar > and restarted the server, but things still display rather than execute. > > Is there something else in a standard Apache config that is overriding > this? Typically the cgi scripts go in /var/www/cgi-bin/ look for "ScriptAlias" in your httpd.conf -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Wed Feb 25 13:46:03 2004 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distributions In-Reply-To: <1077735023.3091.6.camel@lotsa> References: <1077733216.2977.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077735023.3091.6.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <403CFB7B.4090807@citilink.com> I thought this was amusing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Feb 25 15:39:33 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: | (can't get my cdburner to work, my cdrom isn't mounting audio cds, | trying to find the correct linmodem, and getting a battery monitor). Linmodem. Tricky. It depends on the modem. I used the LinuxAnt.com drivers to get the last Lucent P.O.S. winmodem I had to deal with working. $20 to use all the features of your modem, but the drivers do work well. To me, the $20 was worth it as I didn't have to run to BestBuy durring a snowstorm to get a real modem. battery monitor, try richt clicking on your panel and checking what applets are available. Should be a battery monitor in there somewhere, assuming you have the related kernel mumbo jumbo enabled. (Fedora's installer may have done this for you if you selected a laptop install) CDBurner is the the tricky in depth one. You have to enable IDE SCSI. I don't know if this is the "right" way to do it on Fedora, but... ;) Add the following lines to /etc/modules.conf: alias scd0 sr_mod alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi options ide-cd ignore=hda Save file, run depmod -a Modify your /boot/grub.conf so that you define your cdburner as an ide-scsi device. The for me it looks like: kernel /vmlinuz-whatever ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb hdc=ide-scsi Modify things to reflect your system of course if hdc isn't yoru cd burner. Almost done, you have to modify your /etc/fstab file to reflect that you're mounting a "SCSI" device now. /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom udr,iso9660, noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 Also, do a ls -l /dev/scd0 and then groups yourusername, make sure you have rw access to /dev/scd0. Since you've changed a kernel boot paramater, it's one of the few times you have to reboot Linux. When the reboot finishes, try a cdrecond -scanbus and you're burner should show up. Cunsult the CD Writing HOWTO at http://www.tldp.org/ for more. I use gcombust for most of my cdburning, you may perfer something else. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Feb 25 15:50:53 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There I go replying to an old thread where there is a new one here. It's your fault for changing the subject line! All your fault. Anyway, as for DVDs, Fedora does not include DVD playback support. It also lacks mp3 playback support for that matter. Somewhere in this list of links below you should find some information about mp3 and DVD playback. I could figure out which page I remember seeing it on, but I'm lazy. There's lots of other useful info in the links too, so browsing them will be good for you. :) http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/ http://rpm.livna.org/ http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO.php http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article.php http://www.jdmz.net/yum/ www.fedorazine.com www.fedoranews.org Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Feb 25 16:06:20 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? Message-ID: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> I've finally implemented SMTP-Auth with qmail using mailfront, now I want to try to work on qmail and SSL - SMTP and POP protocols (IMAP is done via Courier and IMAPS doesn't seem too difficult). The only pain with qmail IMO is that it doesn't support this out of the box, need to apply a patch. I was wondering if any qmailer's on the list had recommendations as from the research I've done, there are good patches, and there are some really nasty ones out there too. Or do folks think it's easier to do something with stunnel instead? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Feb 25 16:23:05 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Linmodem. Tricky. It depends on the modem. I used the LinuxAnt.com drivers > to get the last Lucent P.O.S. winmodem I had to deal with working. $20 to > use all the features of your modem, but the drivers do work well. To me, > the $20 was worth it as I didn't have to run to BestBuy durring a > snowstorm to get a real modem. linuxant provides drivers for winmodems using the connexant chipset. these drivers are $20 if you want full 56k. The free version is limited at 14.4. Lucent winmodems use the Lucent/agere chipset for which you can find drivers here:http://www.heby.de/ltmodem. These have always been free(as in beer). -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Feb 25 16:26:15 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077747975.403d2107594e1@mail.bitstream.net> Quoting "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" : > | (can't get my cdburner to work, my cdrom isn't mounting audio cds, > | trying to find the correct linmodem, and getting a battery monitor). > > Linmodem. Tricky. It depends on the modem. I used the LinuxAnt.com drivers > to get the last Lucent P.O.S. winmodem I had to deal with working. $20 to > use all the features of your modem, but the drivers do work well. To me, > the $20 was worth it as I didn't have to run to BestBuy durring a > snowstorm to get a real modem. On the other hand General Nanosystems on University Ave has $14 modems that have Linux Drivers downloadable from the companies website. > Cunsult the CD Writing HOWTO at http://www.tldp.org/ for more. I use > gcombust for most of my cdburning, you may perfer something else. K3b - http://www.k3b.org/ is my fave CD writer/copier...but then I like the eye-candy. Too bad it uses KDE instead of a quality widget set like Gnome. (I'll run away now.) Brady _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:12:42 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! Message-ID: Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount /mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know what this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because I can't use my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only included one drive on this! Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root user can mount cds. Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Feb 25 17:25:44 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! Message-ID: I just had this problem. I am using Gnome with Debian and the /etc/fstab was pointing to /dev/cdrom. The /dev/cdrom was symlinked to /dev/cdrom0 but I installed the ide-scsi module for cd burning. To correct the problem, rm /dev/cdrom && ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom I hope that helps. To allow a user to mount a cdrom, su -c adduser cdrom Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Desjardins [mailto:cddesjar@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount /mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know what this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because I can't use my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only included one drive on this! Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root user can mount cds. Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:12:27 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! Message-ID: YAY!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH JEFF!!! >From: Jeffery Rasmussen >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:25:44 -0600 > > >I just had this problem. I am using Gnome with Debian and the /etc/fstab >was pointing to /dev/cdrom. The /dev/cdrom was symlinked to /dev/cdrom0 >but >I installed the ide-scsi module for cd burning. To correct the problem, rm >/dev/cdrom && ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom > >I hope that helps. > >To allow a user to mount a cdrom, su -c adduser cdrom > >Jeff Rasmussen > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Desjardins [mailto:cddesjar@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:13 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! > > >Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount >/mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know what >this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because I can't >use > >my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only included one drive >on > >this! >Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root user >can mount cds. >Thanks, >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. >http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Feb 25 18:17:40 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403D3B24.2000602@visi.com> You're doing a mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom is that correct? You need to use "su root" in a terminal window and login to mount your cdrom. Chris Desjardins wrote: > Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount > /mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know > what this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because > I can't use my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only > included one drive on this! > Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root > user can mount cds. > Thanks, > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying > Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:43:39 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing pctel-0.9.6.2 Message-ID: Hi- I am attempting to install pctel-0.9.6.2.tar which is a PCTel driver. I have been able to perform the ./configure --with-hal=i8xx but I am unable to ./configure --with-kernel-includes=/path/to/my/kernel-sources/include It is checking for /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h but it tells me it's missing. Then it tells me I should configure my kernel at first. Any suggestions? Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:05:23 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing pctel-0.9.6.2 Message-ID: Disregard my last post...I figured it out. Now I am trying to perform a insmod pctel but it's telling me insmod: pctel: no module by that name found. Anyone have any ideas what I might have done wrong? >From: "Chris Desjardins" >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG] installing pctel-0.9.6.2 >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:43:39 -0800 > >Hi- >I am attempting to install pctel-0.9.6.2.tar which is a PCTel driver. I >have been able to perform the ./configure --with-hal=i8xx but I am unable >to ./configure --with-kernel-includes=/path/to/my/kernel-sources/include >It is checking for /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h but it tells >me it's missing. Then it tells me I should configure my kernel at first. >Any suggestions? >Thanks, >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. >http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Feb 25 19:40:37 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing pctel-0.9.6.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403D4E95.701@eworld3.net> Hmm. I don't know about PCTel but I think it would help if you would cut and paste everything into your post so we can see it. You can "change the names to protect the innocent", in other words "munge" some things if you want to hide them from the public. Chris Desjardins wrote: > Hi- > I am attempting to install pctel-0.9.6.2.tar which is a PCTel driver. I > have been able to perform the ./configure --with-hal=i8xx but I am > unable to ./configure > --with-kernel-includes=/path/to/my/kernel-sources/include > It is checking for /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h but it > tells me it's missing. Then it tells me I should configure my kernel at > first. Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying > Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Feb 25 21:13:52 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as desktop on 450 MHZ PIII - too slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402252113.52943.jpschewe@mtu.net> On Friday 20 February 2004 22:05, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all. > > A friend of my fiance, let's call her "Mel", needs a computer. I decided > to give Mel an old 460 mhz PIII dell. It has 96 mg ram. > > Mel heard about Linux on MPR or something and is willing to try it out. > > I loaded SuSe on it and it is soooo slow. Is there a distro out there that > is designed specifically to run on old, slow machines with little ram. Is > it just KDE? Is 450 MHZ not capable? Right now she has an old (even > slower) pII laptop. Is there any way to optimize KDE to run as efficently > as possible? She needs Open Office. It's just the memory used by KDE and some larger apps, like Mozilla. Try switching to a lower memory window manager and Firefox. That or just buy the memory, it's cheap. I'm running on a dual PIII-450 with 1GB RAM and it's fine. I had 256MB before that and it did fine, until I started doing a lot of development on it. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Feb 25 22:02:02 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers Message-ID: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> It's an automated device that answers the phone for numbers that have caller-ID blocked, and attempts to carry on a conversation, wasting the phone-spammer's time as much as he was about to waste yours. http://www.pagerealm.com/tc2k/ if nothing else, listen to the recorded conversations (for some reason, they're mp3's renamed to .wav files, then .zip'ed). Hilarious! Carl. -- "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Feb 25 22:06:14 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling php as apache dso References: Message-ID: <007c01c3fc1d$e0b05710$0201a8c0@brinstar> PHPTOm writes: > make and make install run without errors... where is my libphp4.so? It should be in sapi/apache. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Feb 25 22:11:54 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Truwtin writes: > I've finally implemented SMTP-Auth with qmail using mailfront, now I > want to try to work on qmail and SSL - SMTP and POP protocols tcpserver doesn't support SSL, so use stunnel to wrap it. I currently do that and it works well. You might also try sslserver from ucspi-ssl in place of tcpserver: http://www.superscript.com/ucspi-ssl/intro.html > (IMAP is done via Courier and IMAPS doesn't seem too difficult). I highly recommend Binc IMAP for use with qmail. It was designed to be used with qmail and supports the checkpassword interface. Setting it up (with SSL) is very easy, much easier than Courier IMAP or any other IMAP server: http://www.bincimap.org/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Feb 26 09:32:28 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit Message-ID: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> I have a school experiencing network connectivity issues. So far it's a mystery but looks like the network is being overwhelmed with traffic. I am going to use ntop to look at things, but I am wondering if there is a beater gui tool to see if the network is under high load, and if there may be a defective switch or other device causing excessive collisions? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Feb 26 09:46:16 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit In-Reply-To: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> References: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <403E14C8.2050107@andersonfam.org> Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a school experiencing network connectivity issues. So far it's a > mystery but looks like the network is being overwhelmed with traffic. I am > going to use ntop to look at things, but I am wondering if there is a > beater gui tool to see if the network is under high load, and if there may > be a defective switch or other device causing excessive collisions? If you have snmp-capable switches, I'd suggest setting up mrtg and/or rrdtool. I have it running here at work, and it's awesome for monitoring network traffic. MRTG: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ RRDTOOL: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ RRDtool is basically a big brother to MRTG. It's much more flexible, but it's more complex to get running. Also, if you have smart switches, you should be able to telnet/console into them and see if there are any errors happening on the switch ports. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From likot at yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 09:57:50 2004 From: likot at yahoo.com (likot) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? In-Reply-To: <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040226155750.89403.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Feb 26 09:48:01 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit In-Reply-To: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_>; from admin@lctn.org on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:32:28AM -0600 References: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <20040226094801.R29200@real-time.com> On 02/26 09:32 , Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a school experiencing network connectivity issues. So far it's a > mystery but looks like the network is being overwhelmed with traffic. I am > going to use ntop to look at things, but I am wondering if there is a > beater gui tool to see if the network is under high load, and if there may > be a defective switch or other device causing excessive collisions? ethereal will give you an idea what traffic is flowing over your network, and will analyze the contents of it. (tho ntop is more useful for a higher-level overview). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Feb 26 09:58:15 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit In-Reply-To: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> References: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <1077811094.22382.38.camel@unixws1> If ntop doesn't work for you, you could turn ip accounting on in the router, which will show you number of bytes for each pair of IP addresses that have had a conversation: conf t interface ethernetX ip accounting (or ip accounting output-packets if you think it's download traffic, OUT the ethernet interface TO your network) end wait a few minutes show ip accounting If you have a busy network, an easy way to see who's using what would be to get the sho ip accounting output into a file (use typescript, or copy-paste or whatever), and pipe it through sort, telling sort to use field X (the "bytes" column) as the sort key. Usually the culprit is very obvious, even without sorting the output first (just look at what conversation was highest relative to the others, or what IP seems to be getting the most traffic). Long-term though, you want to have some sort of netflow analyzer, or MRTG with "Adam's Uber MRTG Sorter". My UMS figures out the most recent 5-minute bits/second interval from the MRTG log for each target in the mrtg.cfg, and spits out a nice HTML table showing the top talkers on your network for the last 5 minutes. When you're graphing 100's of targets, it's very handy to find out what's going on at a glance. On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 09:32, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a school experiencing network connectivity issues. So far it's a > mystery but looks like the network is being overwhelmed with traffic. I am > going to use ntop to look at things, but I am wondering if there is a > beater gui tool to see if the network is under high load, and if there may > be a defective switch or other device causing excessive collisions? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Feb 26 12:52:58 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit In-Reply-To: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> References: <4689.66.103.175.3.1077809548.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <1077821578.403e408a68150@joshwelch.com> Quoting Raymond Norton : > I have a school experiencing network connectivity issues. So far it's a > mystery but looks like the network is being overwhelmed with traffic. I am > going to use ntop to look at things, but I am wondering if there is a > beater gui tool to see if the network is under high load, and if there may > be a defective switch or other device causing excessive collisions? > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > > Ethereal is a handy GUI application for sniffing network traffic, tcpdump is handy on the command line. It should be noted here that, by design, you can not sniff traffic on a switch without configuring some sort of port mirroring. By default you will only get traffic destined for that switch port and broadcast traffic. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Feb 26 12:09:54 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding the culprit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:48:01 -0600 > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > (tho ntop is more useful for a higher-level overview). But for VERY high level, "who is hogging my pipe this instant" kind of thing, go look at the blinky lights. (Even more fun with the lights out.) Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Feb 26 12:23:47 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! In-Reply-To: <403D3B24.2000602@visi.com> Message-ID: Once you know the correct device and mount point, edit your /etc/fstab file. /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 Now as a normal user you can do mount /cdrom and umount /cdrom. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: | You're doing a | mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom | is that correct? | | | You need to use "su root" in a terminal window and login to mount your | cdrom. | | | | | Chris Desjardins wrote: | | > Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount | > /mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know | > what this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because | > I can't use my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only | > included one drive on this! | > Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root | > user can mount cds. | > Thanks, | > Chris | > | > _________________________________________________________________ | > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying | > Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx | > | > | > _______________________________________________ | > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org | > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | > | | _______________________________________________ | TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org | https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | | | !DSPAM:403d3d0d47755318919762! | | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Feb 26 12:28:24 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> Message-ID: I have a simple rule: Me: Hello? Telemarketer: Hello Mr. Zahhhhh...Zbrikowski. Me: Please put me on your do not call list. I usually give them a few seconds to identify themselves incase it's my credit card company or something calling, but works for 99% of telemarketers. Your milage will definitly vary...sucks to be a Johnson, or Smith, or... :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Feb 26 12:33:01 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <403D3B24.2000602@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040226183301.GA10203@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:23:47PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Once you know the correct device and mount point, edit your /etc/fstab > file. > > /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 > > Now as a normal user you can do mount /cdrom and umount /cdrom. ITYM: /dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Feb 26 12:52:26 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077821546.3091.95.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 12:28, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I have a simple rule: > > Me: Hello? > > Telemarketer: Hello Mr. Zahhhhh...Zbrikowski. > > Me: Please put me on your do not call list. But that requires me to stop what I'm doing and get off my chair. I don't even answer the land line any more, If it's a legit call they will leave a message. I'm very close to canceling the land line now that I can with DSL. If someone I know needs to talk to me they call my cell. Those recordings were hilarious though. It almost makes me want to answer the phone and pretend I'm a recording. What is your favorite color? LOL Red? Yellow? lol. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Feb 26 13:08:45 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:22:51AM -0600 References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040226130845.B21092@thinkunix.net> Munir Nassar wrote: > i am thinking of moving my number to vonage, 15/month for a phone line > with 500 minutes a month. includes all the nice features such as callerid > and call waiting. > > in total it only ends up only a few bucks cheaper, but the > l33tness of using VoIP makes up for it. I've heard it's portable too. You can take the little cisco/motorola router vonage gives you with you when you travel. plug it into an IP network and your phone number stays with you. pretty cool. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From raycomp at isis.visi.com Thu Feb 26 13:12:23 2004 From: raycomp at isis.visi.com (Ray Bryan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [levay@visi.com: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! (fwd)] Message-ID: <20040226191223.GA11567@isis.visi.com> Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount /mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! Does anyone know what this means and how I can fix it? I am screwed right now because I can't use my cdrom drive at all and my good friends at Dell only included one drive on this! Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root user can mount cds. I suppose some one else has suggested adding a line to your etc/fstab where /dev/hdc is given /mnt/cdrom as mount point and iso9660 as filesystem and ro, username and 0 0 you have to login as root or su to modify the fstab also. -- Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Raymond C. Bryan 651-642-9890 vox | The battle is sometimes to the | |Raymond Computer 651-642-9891 fax | small for the bigger they are | |795 Raymond Ave - email raycomp | the harder they fall. | |St Paul MN 55114 @visi.com | -- James Thurber -- | |USA Amiga - Commodore | | | http://www.raycomp.com | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Feb 26 13:39:12 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? In-Reply-To: <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040226133912.000013c2@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:11:54 -0600 "David Phillips" wrote: > Josh Truwtin writes: > > I've finally implemented SMTP-Auth with qmail using mailfront, now I > > want to try to work on qmail and SSL - SMTP and POP protocols > > tcpserver doesn't support SSL, so use stunnel to wrap it. I currently do > that and it works well. You might also try sslserver from ucspi-ssl in > place of tcpserver: > > http://www.superscript.com/ucspi-ssl/intro.html Thanks for the suggestion, now I have pop-ssl running - works pretty good, except that it doesn't gell well with relay-ctrl which I use for - you guessed it - relay control. :) > > (IMAP is done via Courier and IMAPS doesn't seem too difficult). > > I highly recommend Binc IMAP for use with qmail. It was designed to be used > with qmail and supports the checkpassword interface. Setting it up (with > SSL) is very easy, much easier than Courier IMAP or any other IMAP server: > > http://www.bincimap.org/ I've heard good things about BincIMAP, but I'm pretty happy with Courier, I MIGHT switch though anyway because binc works under daemontools out of the box and Courier is kind of a pain to upgrade. Does Binc support multiple authentication methods like Courier? I first have courier authenticate against authvmailmgr, then authmysql for the few users I don't have under vmailmgr. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 26 14:22:42 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040226130845.B21092@thinkunix.net> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <20040226130845.B21092@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I've heard it's portable too. You can take the little cisco/motorola > router vonage gives you with you when you travel. plug it into an IP > network and your phone number stays with you. pretty cool. Yeah, that's correct (I've been using Vonage for about nine months; it's been my primary voice line for the last 9 months.) Alternatively, you can log into the web interface, and forward the call wherever you want. Can even set up things so it'll ring on the Vonage line for however many seconds and then forward to your cell phone. You can even set it up so incoming calls will ring both lines at once; haven't tried that yet, though. (On a side note, if anyone's interested in Vonage, let me know, and I'll forward a referall - get a free month for both of us if you keep the service.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 26 14:16:31 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <1077821546.3091.95.camel@lotsa> References: <1077821546.3091.95.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Tom Penney wrote: > But that requires me to stop what I'm doing and get off my chair. I > don't even answer the land line any more, If it's a legit call they will > leave a message. I'm very close to canceling the land line now that I > can with DSL. If someone I know needs to talk to me they call my cell. Speaking of this, I just got info from my Qwest sales rep on how to transfer your Qwest number to Vonage (which cancels the analog line) and keep the DSL service - he says all you have to do is contact Qwest in advance and switch the DSL on the line to the new service, and it won't get dropped. How much I trust Qwest to get that right, I'm not sure.. :) (Traditionally, if the analog service gets cancelled, DSL goes away, for those of who who haven't dealt with that before.) > Those recordings were hilarious though. It almost makes me want to > answer the phone and pretend I'm a recording. What is your favorite > color? LOL Red? Yellow? lol. Yeah, I'd crack up though. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Feb 26 15:32:32 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber server Message-ID: <403E65F0.9000507@andersonfam.org> I'm wondering if anyone around has ever successfully implemented a jabber server. I'm trying to get one up and running on a Gentoo box, and I'm starting to pull my hair out. I can start the server fine...but when I pull up a jabber client and try to register a username/password, I get the following error: Error: Not Implemented Google hasn't turned up much for me either on this issue. Any ideas? Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 26 19:13:35 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <20040226130845.B21092@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > You can even set it up so incoming calls will ring both lines at once; > haven't tried that yet, though. Just tried that; it's pretty cool - I call my vonage number, a second later, both my cell phone and my vonage phone start ringing. One annoying thing with this, though - make sure that you've got the voicemail timeout on whichever phone you want to receive the messages on lower, otherwise, you'll end up with voicemail all over the place (whichever phone picks up the line first gets the call). I suppose this could be annoying with a cell phone, because if it's unreachable, the caller would just go into voicemail right away, even if I've got my Vonage phone with me. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Feb 26 19:36:35 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> References: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> Message-ID: <403E9F23.4030004@eworld3.net> P U R E F R E E K I N' G O L D ! Examples 3 and 4 are my favorites. Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > It's an automated device that answers the phone for numbers that have > caller-ID blocked, and attempts to carry on a conversation, wasting the > phone-spammer's time as much as he was about to waste yours. > > http://www.pagerealm.com/tc2k/ > > if nothing else, listen to the recorded conversations (for some reason, > they're mp3's renamed to .wav files, then .zip'ed). Hilarious! > > Carl. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 26 21:26:29 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <403E9F23.4030004@eworld3.net> References: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> <403E9F23.4030004@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <4460.68.112.123.230.1077852389.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > > P U R E F R E E K I N' G O L D ! Almost make it worth adding caller ID to my line. Anyone using this? I'm half tempted to call it, just to attempt to carry on a conversation with it. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Feb 26 22:37:21 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp><007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040226133912.000013c2@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <007001c3fceb$636874d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Truwtin writes: > Thanks for the suggestion, now I have pop-ssl running - works pretty > good, except that it doesn't gell well with relay-ctrl which I use > for - you guessed it - relay control. :) Ah, in that case use sslserver. It will work correctly for qmail-pop3d and qmail-smtpd (it supports the same tcprules database as tcpserver). > Does Binc support multiple authentication methods like Courier? I > first have courier authenticate against authvmailmgr, then authmysql > for the few users I don't have under vmailmgr. It supports the checkpassword interface, which is the interface that qmail-pop3d uses. I don't know if there is a MySQL checkpassword program, but it wouldn't be very difficult to write one. Check qmail.org. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Feb 27 00:29:46 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [levay@visi.com: [TCLUG] MOUNTING PROBLEMS!!!! (fwd)] In-Reply-To: <20040226191223.GA11567@isis.visi.com> (message from Ray Bryan on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:12:23 -0600) References: <20040226191223.GA11567@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <200402270629.i1R6Tkq08896@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >Hi- I tried to mount a data cd and it told me that it could not mount >/mnt/cdrom because /dev/cdrom is not a block device! /dev/cdrom is usually just a symbolic link to the actual special block device file: % ls -al /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 24 2003 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd % ls -al /dev/hdd brw------- 1 root users 22, 64 Aug 24 2003 /dev/hdd The first character being a "b" means this is a special block device file. The major number is 22. The minor number is 64. For an ATA CD-ROM drive, the special block device file is usually: /dev/hdb (ATA Primary Slave device) /dev/hdc (ATA Secondary Master device) /dev/hdd (ATA Secondary Slave device) >Also when I try to mount from my normal user ID it tells me only root user >can mount cds. Change the cdrom entry in /etc/fstab as root to: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 The user option will allow any user to mount and umount a CD. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 27 02:12:46 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1077869564.3638.2.camel@bigtime> > "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), I used to have JOO-TWAT, purely by chance. It was my second line for the cable modem from back when Mediaone was doing one way cable. So sadly it was never free to take incoming calls... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Fri Feb 27 08:39:38 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <403E9F23.4030004@eworld3.net> References: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> <403E9F23.4030004@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1077892777.27258.3.camel@magnum.bgea.org> heh. Reminds me of the KQ morning show's prank phone calls. Imagine creating one of these with clips from Arnold Schwartzenegger movies. ~jh On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 19:36, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > P U R E F R E E K I N' G O L D ! > > > Examples 3 and 4 are my favorites. > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > It's an automated device that answers the phone for numbers that have > > caller-ID blocked, and attempts to carry on a conversation, wasting the > > phone-spammer's time as much as he was about to waste yours. > > > > http://www.pagerealm.com/tc2k/ > > > > if nothing else, listen to the recorded conversations (for some reason, > > they're mp3's renamed to .wav files, then .zip'ed). Hilarious! > > > > Carl. -- John Hawley | Can't keep my eyes from the circling skys. jhawley@hissingdragon.net | Tongue-tied and twisted; just an earth- | bound misfit, I. -- David Gilmour _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Fri Feb 27 08:58:40 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD problems/Linmodem/and PengAOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077893919.27257.11.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 15:50, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > There I go replying to an old thread where there is a new one here. It's > your fault for changing the subject line! All your fault. > > Anyway, as for DVDs, Fedora does not include DVD playback support. Haven't used Fedora. Under Debian/unstable I installed mplayer and have DVD playback working. The howto's explain how to download the necessary windows codecs. I probably have some notes somewhere on what it took. ~jh > It also > lacks mp3 playback support for that matter. > > Somewhere in this list of links below you should find some information > about mp3 and DVD playback. I could figure out which page I remember > seeing it on, but I'm lazy. There's lots of other useful info in the links > too, so browsing them will be good for you. :) > > http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/ > http://rpm.livna.org/ > http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ > http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO.php > http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article.php > http://www.jdmz.net/yum/ > www.fedorazine.com > www.fedoranews.org > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- John Hawley | Can't keep my eyes from the circling skys. jhawley@hissingdragon.net | Tongue-tied and twisted; just an earth- | bound misfit, I. -- David Gilmour _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Fri Feb 27 09:32:50 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber server In-Reply-To: <403E65F0.9000507@andersonfam.org> References: <403E65F0.9000507@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1077895969.27256.24.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:32, Erik Anderson wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone around has ever successfully implemented a > jabber server. I'm trying to get one up and running on a Gentoo box, > and I'm starting to pull my hair out. I can start the server fine...but > when I pull up a jabber client and try to register a username/password, > I get the following error: > > Error: Not Implemented > > Google hasn't turned up much for me either on this issue. > > Any ideas? I've got it running on Debian/stable. Set it up over a year ago but afraid I don't remember much from the install. Debian package installed and worked fine, but I ended up removing it and compiling from source (1.4.2) to enable SSL support. I assume you've tweaked the jabber.xml file to set up for your site? Google for HowTo's; the documentation is kind of sparse. Run in debug mode and check the log files. There are separate modules for using conferences and user directorys (JUD's), but you shouldn't need these for basic testing. I can email you my config file off list if you'd like. ~jh > Thanks! > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- John Hawley | Can't keep my eyes from the circling skys. jhawley@hissingdragon.net | Tongue-tied and twisted; just an earth- | bound misfit, I. -- David Gilmour _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Feb 27 09:45:07 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test Message-ID: <000e01c3fd48$acf3fe50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> My apologies, our new mail server wasn't allowing mail to TCLUG, I think it should be fixed, but I have to test... Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Feb 27 10:00:43 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber server In-Reply-To: <1077895969.27256.24.camel@magnum.bgea.org> References: <403E65F0.9000507@andersonfam.org> <1077895969.27256.24.camel@magnum.bgea.org> Message-ID: <403F69AB.9030101@andersonfam.org> John Hawley wrote: > I've got it running on Debian/stable. Set it up over a year ago but > afraid I don't remember much from the install. Debian package installed > and worked fine, but I ended up removing it and compiling from source > (1.4.2) to enable SSL support. > > I assume you've tweaked the jabber.xml file to set up for your site? > Google for HowTo's; the documentation is kind of sparse. Run in debug > mode and check the log files. There are separate modules for using > conferences and user directorys (JUD's), but you shouldn't need these > for basic testing. > > I can email you my config file off list if you'd like. Yeah - I've tweaked and tweaked...that would be great if you could email me your configs... Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Feb 27 10:21:27 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? In-Reply-To: <007001c3fceb$636874d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040226133912.000013c2@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <007001c3fceb$636874d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040227102127.00007550@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:37:21 -0600 "David Phillips" wrote: > Josh Truwtin writes: > > Thanks for the suggestion, now I have pop-ssl running - works pretty > > good, except that it doesn't gell well with relay-ctrl which I use > > for - you guessed it - relay control. :) > > Ah, in that case use sslserver. It will work correctly for qmail-pop3d and > qmail-smtpd (it supports the same tcprules database as tcpserver). I found this: http://multivac.cwru.edu/#quickies (check the 4th link in the Quick Hacks section. My run file now looks like: #!/bin/sh # qmail-pop3sd/run # daemontools run script for qmail pop3s service # ** ucspi-ssl: ssl enabled ** # === CONLIMIT=31 POPDIR="Maildir" POPHOST="trutwins.homeip.net" # relay-ctrl expects tcpserver, to get around this, # set env var and use perl script uspci-proto-hack # http://multivac.cwru.edu/#quickies # see /etc/relay-ctrl/NEWPROTO exec 2>&1 echo "*** Starting qmail-pop3sd (ssl)..." echo "*** >> configured for maildir: ${POPDIR}" exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 5000000 \ /usr/local/bin/envdir /service/qmail-pop3sd/env \ /usr/local/bin/envdir /etc/relay-ctrl \ /usr/local/bin/relay-ctrl-chdir \ /usr/local/bin/sslserver -v -R -H -l 0 \ -c ${CONLIMIT} \ -x /etc/tcp.pop3s.cdb \ 0 995 \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup ${POPHOST} \ /usr/local/bin/checkvpw \ /usr/local/bin/uspci-proto-hack \ /usr/local/bin/relay-ctrl-allow \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d ${POPDIR} 2>&1 Seems to work pretty well. > > Does Binc support multiple authentication methods like Courier? I > > first have courier authenticate against authvmailmgr, then authmysql > > for the few users I don't have under vmailmgr. > > It supports the checkpassword interface, which is the interface that > qmail-pop3d uses. I don't know if there is a MySQL checkpassword program, > but it wouldn't be very difficult to write one. Check qmail.org. The nice thing with Courier, and I hope Binc as well, is that you can have it attempt authentication in multiple ways, first MySQL, then LDAP, then /etc/passwd, etc. If it cannot authenticate in any of the three methods it finally rejects the authentication. That's my only concern with Binc for migrating. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Feb 27 10:42:09 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? In-Reply-To: <20040227102127.00007550@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040226133912.000013c2@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <007001c3fceb$636874d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040227102127.00007550@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040227104209.000031b9@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:21:27 -0600 Josh Truwtin wrote: > The nice thing with Courier, and I hope Binc as well, is that you can have it attempt authentication in multiple ways, first MySQL, then LDAP, then /etc/passwd, etc. If it cannot authenticate in any of the three methods it finally rejects the authentication. That's my only concern with Binc for migrating. This is exactly what I'm looking for - I think I will start planning for migrating to BincIMAP after all: http://www.andreas.hanssen.name/software/multichkpwds.c Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 26 23:50:45 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in Message-ID: I have a problem with my mouse. It's a usb optical mouse, and every once and a while it will freeze and then I have to unplug it and plug it back in to get it to work. it is a Microsoft USB optical 3 button wheel mouse ps/2 compatable. I'm running gentoo, 2.6.3 kernel, dell precision 530. When it dies the red light under it goes really really dim - but not off... any ideas here? I'm getting sick of reaching under hte desk and plugging in out and in all day! thanks john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Feb 27 12:21:45 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD36C9@owa.compellent.com> Power? Try putting it on a powered usb hub? Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:51 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in I have a problem with my mouse. It's a usb optical mouse, and every once and a while it will freeze and then I have to unplug it and plug it back in to get it to work. it is a Microsoft USB optical 3 button wheel mouse ps/2 compatable. I'm running gentoo, 2.6.3 kernel, dell precision 530. When it dies the red light under it goes really really dim - but not off... any ideas here? I'm getting sick of reaching under hte desk and plugging in out and in all day! thanks john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri Feb 27 12:25:40 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in References: Message-ID: <012401c3fd5f$1f7222c0$0300000a@net.tsinks> I frequently have this problem with my mini mouse with roller. This is on a PIII Compaq laptop. It is usually when I have done a lot of scrolling and flipping work. The system on some occasions completely locks and I must turn it off. Otherwise I do the take out and put back routine. The builtin pad sometimes will work and sometimes not. I attribute this to the basic M$ OS and Intell interface problems. It probably gets lost. This happens both with M$ and RH 5 through 9. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Fulcrum" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in > > I have a problem with my mouse. It's a usb optical mouse, and every once > and a while it will freeze and then I have to unplug it and plug it back > in to get it to work. > > it is a Microsoft USB optical 3 button wheel mouse ps/2 compatable. I'm > running gentoo, 2.6.3 kernel, dell precision 530. > > When it dies the red light under it goes really really dim - but not off... > > any ideas here? I'm getting sick of reaching under hte desk and plugging > in out and in all day! > > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Feb 27 13:05:24 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:28:24PM -0600 References: <20040225220202.G21179@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040227130524.H8896@real-time.com> On 02/26 12:28 , Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I have a simple rule: > > Me: Hello? > > Telemarketer: Hello Mr. Zahhhhh...Zbrikowski. > > Me: Please put me on your do not call list. > > I usually give them a few seconds to identify themselves incase it's my > credit card company or something calling, but works for 99% of > telemarketers. Your milage will definitly vary...sucks to be a Johnson, or > Smith, or... :) the worst one I ever got was: "he..ello ... Meestah ... S.. S.. Andehsson?" Obviously on the assumption that anyone with a Scandinavian name must have it pronounced "Anderson". For those that don't know, my name is pronounced with a long 'o' on the first syllable.. Soe-der-strum. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Feb 27 13:32:33 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a processor (AMD SlotA) Message-ID: <20040227133233.576a44a0.sfertch@real-time.com> Anyone have an AMD Slot A processor they want to get rid of? Have a board, but need a processor. Thanks. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Feb 27 13:45:37 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > it is a Microsoft USB optical 3 button wheel mouse ps/2 compatable. I'm > running gentoo, 2.6.3 kernel, dell precision 530. iirc Microsoft Mice run the MS WindowsMO operating system (Windows Mouse Operations) WinMO is a fairly usable OS but like all versions of windows it is rather crashprone. Look for the three little buttons near the bottom of the mouse labeled C.A.D. push them all at once to reset your mouse and it should continue working again. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Fri Feb 27 14:58:29 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a processor (AMD SlotA) In-Reply-To: <20040227133233.576a44a0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've got a clean 800 with a Thermaltake fan on it. It's yours for $10. You can pick it up or I'd ship it to you for a few more dollars. Mike Gelhar -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:33 PM To: TCLug Subject: [TCLUG] Need a processor (AMD SlotA) Anyone have an AMD Slot A processor they want to get rid of? Have a board, but need a processor. Thanks. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Feb 27 15:49:51 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040227214951.GI4655@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 15:51:45 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in References: Message-ID: <000d01c3fd7b$e4cd2440$6401a8c0@xp2100> I use a MS Trackball optical and a MS wireless explorer v2, both usb, both work just fine with no lockups in both win2k and mdk9.2, or rh9 for that matter when i was using that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Fulcrum" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in > > I have a problem with my mouse. It's a usb optical mouse, and every once > and a while it will freeze and then I have to unplug it and plug it back > in to get it to work. > > it is a Microsoft USB optical 3 button wheel mouse ps/2 compatable. I'm > running gentoo, 2.6.3 kernel, dell precision 530. > > When it dies the red light under it goes really really dim - but not off... > > any ideas here? I'm getting sick of reaching under hte desk and plugging > in out and in all day! > > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Feb 27 16:29:47 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: <20040227130524.H8896@real-time.com> Message-ID: After listening to the messages...I think it would be almost worth it to get a land line and set this up. T: Is Mr ummm...Zahhhhh...Zbrikowski home? C: He is, but he won't speak to you until you can pronounce his name correctly. It's T: C: No its T: C: No, it's T: C: That's it, say my name! Say my name! T: ... C: Oh that's so good... etc etc.... :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 27 16:38:58 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to deal with telemarketers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > After listening to the messages...I think it would be almost worth it to > get a land line and set this up. > > T: Is Mr ummm...Zahhhhh...Zbrikowski home? > C: He is, but he won't speak to you until you can pronounce his name > correctly. It's > T: > C: No its > T: > C: No, it's > T: > C: That's it, say my name! Say my name! > T: ... > C: Oh that's so good... > > etc etc.... > :) I bet this could fairly easily be set up with Asterisk. I'll have to give it a shot. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Fri Feb 27 19:57:10 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ZIP Drive under VMware Message-ID: <1077933430.6955.14.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Hopefully an easy question for a Friday night. I am trying to get VMware to recognize a ZIP drive I have on my parallel port. Within my /etc/fstab file, it points to /dev/sda4. However, I have tried that within VMware and it states that /dev/sda4 does not exist. If I try /dev/parport0, I get a permission denied. However, I can mount and write to the ZIP drive as a normal user, not root. What have I done wrong. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Feb 27 20:58:53 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ZIP Drive under VMware In-Reply-To: <1077933430.6955.14.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1077933430.6955.14.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <404003ED.6040502@visi.com> You haven't done anything "wrong". You just need to give permissions to the "normal" users. The following is from an earlier post by Chris D. *** To allow a user to mount a cdrom, su -c adduser cdrom *** replace "cdrom" with the zip drive ie "parport0" Sam. Perry Hoekstra wrote: >Hopefully an easy question for a Friday night. I am trying to get >VMware to recognize a ZIP drive I have on my parallel port. Within my >/etc/fstab file, it points to /dev/sda4. However, I have tried that >within VMware and it states that /dev/sda4 does not exist. If I try >/dev/parport0, I get a permission denied. However, I can mount and >write to the ZIP drive as a normal user, not root. What have I done >wrong. > >Perry Hoekstra > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 28 01:06:36 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? Message-ID: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) What companies out there either: A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? Thanks everybody! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Feb 28 01:13:59 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1077952439.11090.34.camel@lotsa> On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 01:06, K B wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run > XP Pro for college (their requirements) ... > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? http://www.linux-laptop.net/ -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Feb 28 01:26:35 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 01:06:36AM -0600 References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20040228012635.A24893@thinkunix.net> K B wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) > > However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) > > What companies out there either: > > A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) > I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. > B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? > > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? If you don't need anything too bleeding edge, try IBM auctions on ebay: http://www.stores.ebay.com/ibmauthorizedauctions/ I bought a new (not refurbished) T23 from them last year. Shipped with win XP. I'm running Debian and win2k (when I need windows), both work great, and came with a 3 yr warranty. Hard to beat. disclaimer: I'm a thinkpad bigot. own 3 of them and they've all been great. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rudie at rudie.net Sat Feb 28 01:28:16 2004 From: rudie at rudie.net (Kevin Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20040228012816.68d51e41.rudie@rudie.net> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:06:36 -0600 "K B" wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run > XP Pro for college (their requirements) > > However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro > (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) > > What companies out there either: > > A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) > I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. > B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others > do? > > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? > > Thanks everybody! First I would consider which laptops have the least general problems. Check out consumer reports on what catches your eye and read up to weed out potential hardware issues. Maybe a particular model catches your eye, but reports are that the battery gets flaky after a few months. Linux will work on most anything, with some patience. Mainstream models tend to have more standardized hardware than some no-name models. Check out specs on your potential buy for chipsets. Google is your friend. My personal preference: IBM Thinkpads. I bought a refurb A30p off ebay and love it. Swapped put an A31p mobo and now it's a P4. Easy to work on, pretty standard hardware. -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 28 01:56:35 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20040228075635.GV24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 01:06:36AM -0600, K B wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) > > However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) > > What companies out there either: > > A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) > I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. This isn't necessarily important, since any distro it came with would probably be out of date anyway =) > B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? Dell is _not_ linux friendly, and won't be until they stop selling their hardware with broadcom chipsets. > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? I purchased a Toshiba A15-S127 for $550 after $250 mail-in-rebates (that I got back in 4 weeks or so) at best buy, I got the one without the built in wireless card since it was only 802.11b. I paid an extra $65 and put my own miniPCI wireless card in it (and attached the existing antennas to it) to get 802.11a/b/g. Specs: Intel P4 Celeron 2.0Ghz (400mhz bus) 256MB PC2100 DDR (Dual SO-DIMM slots, only one in use) 30GB HDD 15" TFT Active Matrix CD-RW+DVD-ROM (24x24x10 CD, 8x DVD) v.92 WinModem (Linux drivers work great) Intel EEPro VE 10/100 Ethernet USB 2.0 "Hi-Speed" x2 Everything worked with RH9 out of the box. I've got Fedora on it now, and with the enhanced ACPI support in the 2.6.x kernels I can now use the screen brightness, system lock, and other hotkeys (including suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk, LCD/CRT/LCD+CRT vid output) Klaptop is working perfectly for handling power (power profiles for on/off AC, what to do at certain battery levels, including turning down the screen brighness) when you combine that with the speedstep throttling I can get just shy of 3 hours battery run-time with normal use. Overall, I'm thoroughly happy with Toshiba, and to top it off the windows keys are at the very far top right hand of the keyboard, out of my way =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Feb 28 03:31:56 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? References: <20040225160620.000076e4@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp><007f01c3fc1e$aad01d50$0201a8c0@brinstar><20040226133912.000013c2@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp><007001c3fceb$636874d0$0201a8c0@brinstar><20040227102127.00007550@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040227104209.000031b9@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <001a01c3fddd$b551c2e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Truwtin writes: > This is exactly what I'm looking for - I think I will start planning > for migrating to BincIMAP after all: > > http://www.andreas.hanssen.name/software/multichkpwds.c I was thinking of that after I read your first message. It was actually written by the author of Binc IMAP. Isn't it nice how well modular programs can work together? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 28 06:00:03 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail + ssl? In-Reply-To: <001a01c3fddd$b551c2e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040227104209.000031b9@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <001a01c3fddd$b551c2e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040228120003.GW24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 03:31:56AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Josh Truwtin writes: > > This is exactly what I'm looking for - I think I will start planning > > for migrating to BincIMAP after all: > > > > http://www.andreas.hanssen.name/software/multichkpwds.c > > I was thinking of that after I read your first message. It was actually > written by the author of Binc IMAP. Isn't it nice how well modular programs > can work together? I prefer cleaner solutions, like PAM. That program is just nasty. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Feb 28 09:28:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040228012635.A24893@thinkunix.net> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> <20040228012635.A24893@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <4040B38D.8050004@visi.com> Thinkpad's will rock your world! dey ar da bomm Sam Scot Jenkins wrote: >K B wrote: > > >>I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) >> >>However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) >> >>What companies out there either: >> >>A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) >> I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. >>B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux >> I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? >> >>I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? >> >> > >If you don't need anything too bleeding edge, try IBM auctions on ebay: >http://www.stores.ebay.com/ibmauthorizedauctions/ > >I bought a new (not refurbished) T23 from them last year. Shipped with >win XP. I'm running Debian and win2k (when I need windows), both work >great, and came with a 3 yr warranty. Hard to beat. > >disclaimer: I'm a thinkpad bigot. own 3 of them and they've all been >great. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Feb 28 10:55:43 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040228075635.GV24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Dell is _not_ linux friendly, and won't be until they stop selling their > hardware with broadcom chipsets. That's really interesting. My Latitiude c840 works fine with Linux. Everything except the winmodem worked out of the box. The modem (a pctel) took a third-party driver. No Broadcom anywhere near this thing (nor would I want it!); the NIC is a 3c905C. You might want to think twice before making sweeping generalizations. I readily agree with your stance on Broadcom, though. Ick. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Feb 28 11:02:21 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4040C99D.3050105@comcast.net> I just got this via email. Wish I had the cash on hand to pick one up myself. http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?PID=NOT-I93320&LID=137 K B wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) > > However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) > > What companies out there either: > > A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) > I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. > B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? > > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? > > Thanks everybody! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Sat Feb 28 11:17:34 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sat Feb 28 12:54:15 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: notebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4040E3D7.2030009@umn.edu> look under debian's list of vendors that preinstall http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed#us try looking at smaller manufacturers as well. these people http://www.powernotebooks.com/index.php3 are known as having the absolute best customer service. they don't sell linux on their laptops, but they have a forum for people who put linux on them. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Sat Feb 28 13:24:09 2004 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077996248.24956.16.camel@loki.valhalla> Message: 5 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:06:36 -0600 From: "K B" Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Message-ID: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) What companies out there either: A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? Thanks everybody! ********** I am running an eMachines M1532. Installed Parition Magic, split the drive to a 10Gb/30Gb/rest (about 17Gb I think?), then installed SuSE 9.0 Pro off the DVD. Haven't tinkered with it much, but it recognized the 1280x800 widescreen by default, that there is/was a firewire present, USB ports, etc etc etc. Not tried the networking at all (built-in G, built-in hardwire, nor 802.11b card that DID work in RH on the previous laptop), nor the modem. Only 'downside' thus far is the shared video memory pukes on Unreal Tournament, but that's par for shared memory... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1063670218918&skuId=6046824&type=product Watch the website, I got it w/ about $250 worth of rebates ($100 laptop, another $150 for the AMD processor). LOVE IT!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Feb 28 13:42:27 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200402281942.i1SJgRn28500@ecstasy1.winternet.com> K B wrote: >B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what others do? "Linux on Laptops" http://www.linux-laptop.net/ is the number one resource for running Linux on a laptop. Toshiba is my personal preference. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Feb 28 15:29:02 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402282129.i1SLTeUr008092@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:06:36 -0600 > From: "K B" > I'm looking to purchase a new laptop/notebook > computer...Needs to run XP Pro for college (their requirements) > > However, I would also love to run Linux on it - just about > any distro (mainly Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, others welcome as well) > > What companies out there either: > > A) Sell laptops preconfigured w/Linux (windows too) > I know they're out there...can't remember the sites though. > B) Sell laptops that work fairly well w/Linux > I know Dell and IBM both often work with it...what > others do? > > I'm looking in the $cheap-~$1750 range...any suggestions guys? Add me to the list of ThinkPad bigots. I won't buy anything else. I've had a 750P, 760LD, 600X, and two 600E's. I'm drooling over the new X40. My 600X has XP Pro and Fedora Core 1. Fedora installed perfectly and recognized every device with no prompting. Now if I could only get my LinkSys WPC54G working! Besides being built like freakin' tanks, they still release drivers for OLD OSes, and I've seen BIOS updates on machines that are TEN YEARS OLD. Parts are widely available and much cheaper than the rarer brands. Look at eBay for laptop parts and IBM and Dell stick out from the number of auctions. IBM has made a serious commitment to Linux, but it's hard to tell lately. They used to sell some models with Linux pre-installed. You can get most of the newer machines through sales outlets with no OS installed, but it's usually cheaper to bundle it all in. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Feb 28 15:55:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040223181849.GA28772@therub.org> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> <20040223181849.GA28772@therub.org> Message-ID: <40410E5A.90805@visi.com> Dan you got your switches right? The only way for me to know is to ask, I've seen so many faces %-) and I don't know who got what. It was a long week. Sam. Dan Rue wrote: >I'll take 2 - reply off list? > >dan > >On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > >>New TCLUG Classified Ad >> >>Category: Computer >> >>Type of Ad: For Sale >> >>Subject: Cisco Switches >> >>I have 24 of these >>$5.00 each. >>...... >>Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. >>...... >>>From the Cisco website. >>...... >>Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and single IP address. >>Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops and 10BaseT hubs >>Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology >> >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 28 18:21:10 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20040228075635.GV24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040229002110.GA24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 10:55:43AM -0600, Jima wrote: > That's really interesting. My Latitiude c840 works fine with Linux. > Everything except the winmodem worked out of the box. The modem (a pctel) > took a third-party driver. No Broadcom anywhere near this thing (nor > would I want it!); the NIC is a 3c905C. Yes, people have managed to drag _some_ specs out of broadcom, or to reverse engineer =) I was referring to their never products, specificly wireless. There's nothing like plopping down $1k or so on a nice shiny laptop to find that a $65 part doesn't work in Linux because Dell won't lean on them for specs. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Feb 28 18:23:29 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <200402282129.i1SLTeUr008092@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200402282129.i1SLTeUr008092@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <20040229002329.GB24827@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 03:29:02PM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > My 600X has XP Pro and Fedora Core 1. Fedora installed perfectly and > recognized every device with no prompting. Now if I could only get my > LinkSys WPC54G working! *cough* *gag* broadcom =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pclinux at charter.net Sat Feb 28 19:10:12 2004 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb optical mouse dies, comes back with replug-in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040228190421.01b6fec0@pop.charter.net> MS Explorer 1.x are junk. The wires will break where it enters the mouse housing. I've had both of mine replaced by Microsoft with the 3.0 version for free. No problems for well over a year. .... > > any ideas here? I'm getting sick of reaching under hte desk and plugging > > in out and in all day! > >Danger! Danger! Danger! > >After a number of months of this replugging, my USB controller on the >motherboard died. The mouse now sits in a box, waiting the >dissection. It is a Microsoft Explorer USB mouse. > >florin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Feb 28 23:25:20 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue Message-ID: Hello all, On my debian box, the network connection "pauses". It is serving web pages and I have samba set up, and it seems every minute or so the connection drops. Sometimes for 30 seconds. Then it picks back up and I can connect to it. Is this most likely a hardware issue? Anyone heard of this before? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Sat Feb 28 23:52:48 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <40410E5A.90805@visi.com> References: <200402231805.i1NI5BK19062@crusader.real-time.com> <20040223181849.GA28772@therub.org> <40410E5A.90805@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040229055248.GA23027@therub.org> Yep, thanks a lot Sam. I havn't had a chance to plug them in yet - I'm moving in a couple of weeks and hence have been pretty busy lately. dan On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 03:55:38PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Dan you got your switches right? > > The only way for me to know is to ask, I've seen so many faces %-) and I > don't know who got what. > It was a long week. > > Sam. > > Dan Rue wrote: > > >I'll take 2 - reply off list? > > > >dan > > > >On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:05:11PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > > > > >>New TCLUG Classified Ad > >> > >>Category: Computer > >> > >>Type of Ad: For Sale > >> > >>Subject: Cisco Switches > >> > >>I have 24 of these > >>$5.00 each. > >>...... > >>Cisco Catalist 1900 Switch. > >>...... > >>>From the Cisco website. > >>...... > >>Supports Cisco Switch Clustering technology, which allows users to > >>configure, upgrade, and troubleshoot up to 16 Catalyst 3550, 2950, 3500 > >>XL, 2900 XL, 2900 LRE XL and 1900 Series switches from a Web browser and > >>single IP address. Lowest-cost switched Ethernet to individual desktops > >>and 10BaseT hubs Bandwidth aggregation with Fast EtherChannel? technology > >> > >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Feb 29 03:51:59 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue In-Reply-To: ; from phptom@wordesign.net on Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:25:20PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040229035159.A32327@thinkunix.net> PHPTOm wrote: > On my debian box, the network connection "pauses". It is serving web pages > and I have samba set up, and it seems every minute or so the connection > drops. Sometimes for 30 seconds. Then it picks back up and I can connect > to it. Is this most likely a hardware issue? Anyone heard of this before? bad nic? check output of 'ifconfig' and look for any errors or retransmits. bad hub or switch on the network somewhere? I had a similar problem running NFS through a cheap linksys switch in the past. the switch appeared to freeze under high nfs traffic. removing it solved the problem. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Feb 29 04:36:11 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue References: Message-ID: <001101c3feaf$d93aff00$0201a8c0@brinstar> PHPTOm writes: > On my debian box, the network connection "pauses". It is serving web > pages and I have samba set up, and it seems every minute or so the > connection drops. Sometimes for 30 seconds. Then it picks back up > and I can connect to it. Is this most likely a hardware issue? > Anyone heard of this before? It sounds like a bad network card or issues caused by a cheap network card. Make sure you have the latest kernel. If so, try changing the network card. RTL8139 based cards (8139too driver) are a bad idea. While they should work, it is a lousy chipset and I've seen problems with them on certain machines. These chipsets are usually found on very cheap cards (and even some not-so-cheap cards if you are shopping at Best Buy or similar). A new Linksys LNE100TX (tulip driver) is a decent card for a home machine. I've always had good luck with eepro100 based cards in both Linux and FreeBSD on machines that push a lot of traffic. 3com cards (3c59x driver) are also solid. Your hub / switch might also be broken. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 29 09:23:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue In-Reply-To: <001101c3feaf$d93aff00$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <001101c3feaf$d93aff00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <404203E1.8000506@visi.com> I have some nice "used" Intel Pro 100s and Compaq NC3121 cards for $5 if you're interested. I'm using one of the Compaq NC3121 cards in one of my Linux machines, solid as a rock. RH 8.0 found it and installed it just fine. Sam. Sam. David Phillips wrote: >PHPTOm writes: > > >>On my debian box, the network connection "pauses". It is serving web >>pages and I have samba set up, and it seems every minute or so the >>connection drops. Sometimes for 30 seconds. Then it picks back up >>and I can connect to it. Is this most likely a hardware issue? >>Anyone heard of this before? >> >> > >It sounds like a bad network card or issues caused by a cheap network card. >Make sure you have the latest kernel. If so, try changing the network card. > >RTL8139 based cards (8139too driver) are a bad idea. While they should >work, it is a lousy chipset and I've seen problems with them on certain >machines. These chipsets are usually found on very cheap cards (and even >some not-so-cheap cards if you are shopping at Best Buy or similar). A new >Linksys LNE100TX (tulip driver) is a decent card for a home machine. I've >always had good luck with eepro100 based cards in both Linux and FreeBSD on >machines that push a lot of traffic. 3com cards (3c59x driver) are also >solid. > >Your hub / switch might also be broken. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Feb 29 10:04:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer Guy. Message-ID: <40420D94.3020404@visi.com> I've lost the eMail I received from someone RE printers working or not. I have access to some HP 4si or 5si printers? At least one 4 si for sure. I don't know if it works. These printer are behemoths, I'm not even going to think of how much they weigh. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Feb 29 18:25:16 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys and Linux firewall Message-ID: <404282EC.6020005@comcast.net> Is anyone a Linksys expert? Strange question, but maybe someone can help. Scenario: Linux firewall (and DHCP server) protects home LAN and has VPN tunnel set up to friends house with similar Linux firewall. Linksys BEFW11S4 wired/wireless router inside Linux firewall. Is there any way to have the Linksys just be a "dumb" router that would allow any clients attached to it (wired or wireless) to receive their DHCP address from the Linux firewall? I've tried having the Cat5 coming from the Linux firewall coming in one of the LAN ports and coming in on the WAN port. If it comes in on the WAN port, then I can't see anything on the "inside" of the Linksys (and I don't see any way to turn off the firewall portion of the Linksys). If it comes in one of the LAN ports then it's a mess. I've tried a number of configs with the "Dynamic Routing" set as "router" and "gateway", but either I lose contact with the Linux DHCP server or I lose contact with the Linksys. I can't seem to have a PC attached to one of the LAN ports on the Linksys work. I thought I could have the Cat5 come in one of the LAN ports, have the Linksys set in "router" mode and then tell it to use RIP and then in theory, the DHCP client would get it's IP from the Linux firewall, but that doesn't seem to work. Basically, I want the increased protection that the Linux firewall provides (and the VPN capabilities), but also the wireless access the Linksys will provide. I can simply have the Linux firewall provide a DHCP address to the WAN port of the Linksys, then have the Linksys provide DHCP addresses to PCs connected to it's LAN ports. BUT then I don't think the VPN tunnel between the Linux router and a friends Linux router will serve any purpose, because the Linksys will block gaming or folder sharing access. Any suggestions or help appreciated. -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Sun Feb 29 19:41:52 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys and Linux firewall References: <404282EC.6020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000501c3ff2e$5f178020$6401a8c0@xp2100> thank god i got the linksys befsx41 NAT+SPI firewall/router with dual VPN tunnels cause that sounds like alot of cr*p, wish i could help, but all i do is try to learn with everyones posts:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Young" To: "TCLUG-list" Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys and Linux firewall > Is anyone a Linksys expert? > Strange question, but maybe someone can help. > > Scenario: > Linux firewall (and DHCP server) protects home LAN and has VPN tunnel > set up to friends house with similar Linux firewall. > Linksys BEFW11S4 wired/wireless router inside Linux firewall. > > Is there any way to have the Linksys just be a "dumb" router that would > allow any clients attached to it (wired or wireless) to receive their > DHCP address from the Linux firewall? > > I've tried having the Cat5 coming from the Linux firewall coming in one > of the LAN ports and coming in on the WAN port. If it comes in on the > WAN port, then I can't see anything on the "inside" of the Linksys (and > I don't see any way to turn off the firewall portion of the Linksys). > > If it comes in one of the LAN ports then it's a mess. I've tried a > number of configs with the "Dynamic Routing" set as "router" and > "gateway", but either I lose contact with the Linux DHCP server or I > lose contact with the Linksys. I can't seem to have a PC attached to one > of the LAN ports on the Linksys work. I thought I could have the Cat5 > come in one of the LAN ports, have the Linksys set in "router" mode and > then tell it to use RIP and then in theory, the DHCP client would get > it's IP from the Linux firewall, but that doesn't seem to work. > > Basically, I want the increased protection that the Linux firewall > provides (and the VPN capabilities), but also the wireless access the > Linksys will provide. I can simply have the Linux firewall provide a > DHCP address to the WAN port of the Linksys, then have the Linksys > provide DHCP addresses to PCs connected to it's LAN ports. BUT then I > don't think the VPN tunnel between the Linux router and a friends Linux > router will serve any purpose, because the Linksys will block gaming or > folder sharing access. > > Any suggestions or help appreciated. > -- > Todd Young > 7079 Dawn Ave. E. > Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Feb 29 20:02:21 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys and Linux firewall In-Reply-To: <404282EC.6020005@comcast.net>; from auditodd@comcast.net on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 06:25:16PM -0600 References: <404282EC.6020005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040229200221.A29531@thinkunix.net> Todd Young wrote: > Scenario: > Linux firewall (and DHCP server) protects home LAN and has VPN tunnel > set up to friends house with similar Linux firewall. > Linksys BEFW11S4 wired/wireless router inside Linux firewall. > > Is there any way to have the Linksys just be a "dumb" router that would > allow any clients attached to it (wired or wireless) to receive their > DHCP address from the Linux firewall? > > Basically, I want the increased protection that the Linux firewall > provides (and the VPN capabilities), but also the wireless access the > Linksys will provide. I can simply have the Linux firewall provide a > DHCP address to the WAN port of the Linksys, then have the Linksys > provide DHCP addresses to PCs connected to it's LAN ports. BUT then I > don't think the VPN tunnel between the Linux router and a friends Linux > router will serve any purpose, because the Linksys will block gaming or > folder sharing access. Throw a 3rd nic in your firewall, creating a DMZ network, and put the linksys there. Let the linksys DHCP it's WAN port from your Linux firewall (like you said in your last paragraph). Most of these wireless router products already have built in VPN passthrough support. It _should_ work. Adjust your firewall rules to allow access to the VPN from the DMZ network and it _should_ work. I have a similar setup with a netgear wireless router. Works great *IF* it get's it's WAN port address via DHCP. I'm in the process of setting up the VPN stuff now, so I can't comment on that yet. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 29 22:36:19 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music Message-ID: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. Thanks :) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Feb 29 22:57:51 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com>; from after@nan2d.com on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:36:19PM -0600 References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. Tool -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Feb 29 23:10:16 2004 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com>; from after@nan2d.com on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:36:19PM -0600 References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040229231016.C29026@joelschneider.net> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:36:19PM -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. I like Pajama Crisis. Highly repeat listenable. Ogg Vorbis files. http://pajamacrisis.net/ -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Con of the North Games Convention http://www.conofthenorth.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 29 23:19:47 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:57:51 -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >> This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If >> anyone >> has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. >> Somthing like >> the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to >> find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to >> music like >> that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it >> inspires >> me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. >> So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make >> me think >> about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun >> stuff. > > Tool > tool rox my world... fsck yeah! -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sun Feb 29 23:20:25 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040301052025.GA63224@nan2d.com> Damn Scot, they got to you first. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:57:51PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone > > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like > > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like > > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires > > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. > > Tool > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 29 23:16:57 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If > anyone > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. > Somthing like > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to > music like > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it > inspires > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun > stuff. > Humm - this is really vulgar but: http://overstated.net/03/02/030205the_terrible_mr_g.asp I can't stop listening to it.... :) > Thanks :) > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sun Feb 29 23:20:55 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> Psykosonik (I believe they are local) Information Society Prodigy (kinda) Ministry and Rammstein (not techno, but good codin' music) Go to your local used/oddball CD seller (I went to Disc-go-round many years ago) and you can usually find techno compilations. I picked up about a half dozen of these in my life, and you can use the "credits" in the CD insert to lookup the names of the "artists" to find more of their music. I remember one song called The Bullfrog, and that's exactly what it was (but still pretty good). Also check out www.mnvibe.com - lots of music for "those people" where "those people" are raver kiddies. Free downloads of trance/techno/dance/all kinds of 1's and 0's music. Some Pink Floyd is almost, but not quite, techno (kind of parallel) but uses synth and is "odd". Lots of the odd-ball PF stuff that the radio stations never play is like this. Like "Echoes" and "Mettle". The entire Animals CD is excellent. As is Division Bells. That is, if you don't mind singing in your music (You got your singing in my music. You got your music in my singing! Hey!) I would highly recommend buying every single PF album and listening to them all one at a time, starting with the earliest. There is some really good stuff that never gets airtime (like Shine On, because it's too long for radio (but too short for my liking!)). There are very few PF songs that I don't at least partially like ("Money" comes to mind) I'll get some ls -lR action going on my mp3 directory and see if I missed anything that I used to listen to. Adam Maloney Has seen Roger Waters twice in concert On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. > > Thanks :) > > -- > andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sun Feb 29 23:23:12 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If > anyone > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. > Somthing like > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to > music like > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it > inspires > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun > stuff. > Ok - this is for real: Nothing To Fear, a Rough Mix by Steinski this guy is good - no major label will carry him because too much sampling... I have a signed copy of the disc... if you'd like some samples.... let me know! > Thanks :) > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Feb 29 23:49:00 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com>; from adamm@sihope.com on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 11:20:55PM -0600 References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20040229234900.A17435@thinkunix.net> > On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? some soundtracks are also really good "hacking" music: The Crow Strange Days The Matrix (of course) Tomb Raider I & II -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 20:36:51 2004 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nifty Linux themed wallpaper Message-ID: <007c01c3fda3$b944db60$1f02a8c0@zippy> Check it out! http://www.nwc.com/showitem.jhtml?docid=1502lastmile_penguin Mark Browne _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Feb 11 12:07:02 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEER MEETING Friday Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> There will be a beer meeting on this coming up Friday at the HarMar Old Chicago Check the beer meeting page for more details Friday, February 13, 2004 6pm - 8:00pm 110 different beers from around the world, good food, something for everyone all ages are welcome, bring a friend, spouse, co-worker, neighbor, /etc I currently do not have a tux to put out to help people find the group so if someone has one please bring it. I will have some sort of sign out displaying the TCLUGness of the table and I hear there is an available wifi access point so for those of us who need to mainline their internet access feel free to bring what ever wifi devices you need :) Dan Lansing Beer Admin of the Hour _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 12 12:05:58 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG Meeting: Feb 21 NIS, NFS, and Samba Message-ID: <3215.156.99.116.45.1076603285.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Tired of using Microsoft servers? Always wanted to centrally locate your resources? You, my friend, need to attend the next SCALUG meeting. Tom Cross will be showing us all how to set up NIS, NFS, and Samba to get things centralized and get those ugly Windows boxes off our networks. It'll be a fun one you won't want to miss! Check out all the info at http://scalug.mn-linux.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 12 12:11:18 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG Meeting: Feb 21 NIS, NFS, and Samba Message-ID: <3212.156.99.116.45.1076603268.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Tired of using Microsoft sevrers? Always wanted to centrally locate your resources? You, my friend, need to attend the next SCALUG meeting. Tom Cross will be showing us all how to set up NIS, NFS, and Samba to get things centralized and get those ugly Windows boxes off our networks. It'll be a fun one you won't want to miss! Check out all the info at http://scalug.mn-linux.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Feb 19 16:24:23 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG Meeting THIS SATURDAY: NIS/NFS/Samba Message-ID: <1772.156.99.116.45.1077227594.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Just a reminder, this Saturday is the next SCALUG meeting. Meeting starts at 3:00 at Miller Auto in St. Cloud. Tom Cross will be talking about doing cool things with NIS, NFS, and Samba. Should be fun, check out all the info: http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/12/1618208&mode=thread -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list