From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jul 1 03:33:33 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vim tips In-Reply-To: <20040630123220.A4261@real-time.com> References: <20040630123220.A4261@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1088670812.27260.114.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 1 08:10:16 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: 8 day old emails [was Re: [TCLUG] Slackware 10.0 (not) released (yet)] In-Reply-To: <1233044764.20040622113423@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040622095923.0000724a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040622151824.GA32271@raider.norlug.org> <1233044764.20040622113423@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <40E40D38.7060103@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jul 1 09:22:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Samba and Solaris 9 In-Reply-To: <40E386D0.1040201@rosengren.org> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D857778C@rye.exstream.com> <40E386D0.1040201@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <40E41E09.30006@visi.com> I know this isn't the preferred solution... install Linux on the Sun box. Sam. Jeremy A. Rosengren wrote: > Brent Friedman wrote: > >> I have been having some trials and tribulations over getting a sparc >> box to run rsync, using storage on a windows box. >> >> I ran across something on the sun site that said Solaris doesn't >> support smbclient because SMBFS support isn't available yet. (not >> sure of the date on that article) >> >> Running rsync from a linux box isn't an option right now (no extra >> boxes available). >> Could someone confirm/deny this evil rumor that sparc boxes can't >> browse windows drives? > > > I'm not sure I follow exactly what you're asking. smbclient can run > under Solaris if compiled on it. However, smbclient is just a > front-end client to browse Windows shares and give basic ftp-like file > transfer capabilities. > > It sounds like you're asking whether it's possible to mount Windows > shares on a Solaris system, like you can in Linux. Since the Solaris > kernel doesn't have the necessary hooks in it, that's not possible. > > -- jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jul 1 08:54:32 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vim tips In-Reply-To: <1088670812.27260.114.camel@bigtime> References: <20040630123220.A4261@real-time.com> <1088670812.27260.114.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040701085432.00007c32@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:33:33 -0500 Callum Lerwick wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:32, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > holy **** some of this stuff is cool! > > I started making a strip of paper ment to go on the top of my > keyboard, in the grand old tradition of WordPerfect, cramming as > much vim as I could into the top of a model M. Geared towards > advanced use. Tried to do a test print and discovered my printer is > out of ink and haven't got back to it yet, so I dunno if it even > fits right or is at all readable. But here's what I have so far: > http://www.haxxed.com/random/Vim%20quick%20ref.pdf Kewl, I used to have one of these too, but left it at a client site along with half a case of Dr. Pepper. :) I actually even used it! http://www.tommcmahon.net/2004/06/mugsaplenty_vi_.html Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Jul 1 11:01:54 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config Message-ID: When the gentoo live cd boots up I can get the kernel config like this. cat /proc/config > /mnt/gentoo/usr/src//.config But when it boots as smp, /proc/config doesn't exist. Is there a way to still get this? -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Jul 1 11:05:27 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron question Message-ID: <1188090802.20040701110527@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, July 1, 2004 @ 10:57:33 AM Central Standard Time Are scripts that are put into cron.daily, cron.hourly, etc. run in alphabetical order?? For example, on a machine I run I have the following scripts in my cron.daily ----------------------------------------------------------- chkrootkit-runner* mirror-program-executer* slocate* jrliii-web-mirror* putty_mirror* updatedkjv-web-mirror* ldp_mirror_updater* rev-slack-book-mirror* logrotate* shep-chap-audio-mirror* ----------------------------------------------------------- When the time comes for the cron.daily scripts to run, would chkrootkit-runner be run first, and then updatedkjv-web-mirror be run last?? Many Thanks, Robert D. De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 1 11:50:40 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale Message-ID: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or manning the booth. -- Clay ----- Forwarded message ----- Blue Star Productions produces the most attended computer shows through-out the nation. We are holding the Super Computer Sale at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds July 9-11, 2004. In the cities we go to we provide booth space for local computer user groups. The purpose is two-fold, to provide an "Answer Booth" for the attendees of the sale and so the user group can promote their organization. Since the TCLUG is located in the area, we would like to offer your club free space at the Super Computer Sale next weekend at the State Fairgrounds. To find out more information about the Super Computer Sale go to www.supercomputersale.com or give me a call. I look forward to hearing from you. ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 1 11:50:14 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale Message-ID: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or manning the booth. -- Clay ----- Forwarded message ----- Blue Star Productions produces the most attended computer shows through-out the nation. We are holding the Super Computer Sale at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds July 9-11, 2004. In the cities we go to we provide booth space for local computer user groups. The purpose is two-fold, to provide an "Answer Booth" for the attendees of the sale and so the user group can promote their organization. Since the TCLUG is located in the area, we would like to offer your club free space at the Super Computer Sale next weekend at the State Fairgrounds. To find out more information about the Super Computer Sale go to www.supercomputersale.com or give me a call. I look forward to hearing from you. ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jul 1 12:03:57 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail config problem Message-ID: <009101c45f8d$a209b870$0a940840@DELL2> I am a relay for a few mail servers, so we can scan for spam and viruses. We used to have a separate server for this, but it died. In a pinch I added the IP of the original relay server to my main server on interface eth0:1. I also added the old servers hostname to the second IP. The relaying works, but I get the following error. Not positive of the reason, but I suspect it is because I have two host names with different IP's on the same box. Can this be fixed at our public DNS servers, or is it a simple config adjustment on the box? Jul 1 11:56:15 mail sendmail[2998]: i61GuFn1002996: SYSERR(root): hostname.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) Jul 1 11:56:15 mail sendmail[2999]: i61GuFn1002999: hostname.com [10.x.x.x] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 12:17:59 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The kernel option to have /proc/config must be compiled in . That kernel apparently dosnt have it (or its an older kernel that dosnt even have the option), so you would need to find the original source/package for it. Jay On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:01:54 -0500, Josh Close wrote: > > When the gentoo live cd boots up I can get the kernel config like this. > > cat /proc/config > /mnt/gentoo/usr/src//.config > > But when it boots as smp, /proc/config doesn't exist. > > Is there a way to still get this? > > -Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 12:15:46 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron question In-Reply-To: <1188090802.20040701110527@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1188090802.20040701110527@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: Cron uses run-parts to deal with the directories. By default this should be alphabetical order, but I think that can be altered. read run-parts(8) for more info. Jay On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:05:27 -0500, B_o_B wrote: > > Thursday, July 1, 2004 @ 10:57:33 AM Central Standard Time > > Are scripts that are put into cron.daily, cron.hourly, etc. run in > alphabetical order?? > > For example, on a machine I run I have the following scripts in my > cron.daily > ----------------------------------------------------------- > chkrootkit-runner* mirror-program-executer* slocate* > jrliii-web-mirror* putty_mirror* updatedkjv-web-mirror* > ldp_mirror_updater* rev-slack-book-mirror* > logrotate* shep-chap-audio-mirror* > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > When the time comes for the cron.daily scripts to run, would > chkrootkit-runner be run first, and then updatedkjv-web-mirror be run > last?? -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 13:01:26 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:50:40 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth > at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or > manning the booth. I attended one of these a few years ago and IMHO it was a complete waste of time...just a bunch of mom & pop-type booths selling crappy recycled computer equipment and what looked like pirated software...to me it seemed like most of the people that were there were not the type that would really care to hear about linux. I don't mean to be defeatist - but this is just the feeling that I got. Maybe they''ve improved the shows in the last few years. Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer Shows? -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Jul 1 13:28:27 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's a 2.6 kernel. /proc is actually there, the file config just isn't. When booting with the 2.4 kernel from the livecd, /proc/config is there. When booting with the 2.6 kernel, it isn't. But, /proc is. They must store this info somewhere. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > slushpupie@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:18 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config > > > The kernel option to have /proc/config must be compiled in . That > kernel apparently dosnt have it (or its an older kernel that dosnt > even have the option), so you would need to find the original > source/package for it. > > Jay > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:01:54 -0500, Josh Close > wrote: > > > > When the gentoo live cd boots up I can get the kernel > config like this. > > > > cat /proc/config > /mnt/gentoo/usr/src//.config > > > > But when it boots as smp, /proc/config doesn't exist. > > > > Is there a way to still get this? > > > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jul 1 13:30:46 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40E45856.1010203@redconcepts.net> Erik Anderson wrote: > Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer Shows? I got a 3dfx Voodoo3-3000 at one of these shows way back when it was a state of the art card for real cheap. so i guess i had a good experience. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Thu Jul 1 13:43:41 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (extrinsik) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40E45B5D.8000406@earthlink.net> I went to one a couple years ago. It kinda sucked I guess... The advertisements were misleading. There were hardly any computer software that was only a couple bucks, but I did see someone sell linux there that year. Also, everything seemed to be a year or two behind its time. I don't know though, things change. Erik Anderson wrote: >On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:50:40 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > >>Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth >>at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or >>manning the booth. >> >> > >I attended one of these a few years ago and IMHO it was a complete >waste of time...just a bunch of mom & pop-type booths selling crappy >recycled computer equipment and what looked like pirated software...to >me it seemed like most of the people that were there were not the type >that would really care to hear about linux. I don't mean to be >defeatist - but this is just the feeling that I got. Maybe they''ve >improved the shows in the last few years. > >Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer Shows? > >-Erik > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jul 1 13:53:48 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:01:26 -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:50:40 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth >> at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or >> manning the booth. > > I attended one of these a few years ago and IMHO it was a complete > waste of time... > > Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer > Shows? > No - I had the same experience. They are a waste. > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Jul 1 14:09:00 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: ; from erikerik@gmail.com on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 01:01:26PM -0500 References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040701140900.A27150@thinkunix.net> Erik Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:50:40 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth > > at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or > > manning the booth. > > I attended one of these a few years ago and IMHO it was a complete > waste of time...just a bunch of mom & pop-type booths selling crappy > recycled computer equipment and what looked like pirated software...to > me it seemed like most of the people that were there were not the type > that would really care to hear about linux. I don't mean to be > defeatist - but this is just the feeling that I got. Maybe they''ve > improved the shows in the last few years. > > Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer Shows? They used to be good back in the day. I haven't been to one in a while though. The admission charge is expensive and I don't like buying gear from some unknown vendor from Ohio (where if it's bad you have to pay to ship it back). Personally I think some of the stuff being sold there was stolen. I'd say they're over-rated. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 14:18:02 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: <20040701140900.A27150@thinkunix.net> References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> <20040701140900.A27150@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:09:00 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > They used to be good back in the day. I haven't been to one in a while > though. The admission charge is expensive and I don't like buying gear > from some unknown vendor from Ohio (where if it's bad you have to pay to > ship it back). Personally I think some of the stuff being sold there was > stolen. I'd say they're over-rated. I got that feeling as well. No matter how cheap, I don't wanna be associated w/ buying someone else's gear. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Jul 1 14:26:08 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: <40E45856.1010203@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: > so i guess i had a good experience. I've been to a few of them over the years. My experience has been that there are very few actual deals, compared to what you can find on pricewatch and ebay (if you swing that way). The exception is if you're looking for something old and/or obscure. For instance, a number of years ago I found a 3com MCA NIC for a few bucks. I had been looking for one to put into an older PS/2 system that only took MCA cards, so that was a deal. And sometimes you get the guys that are unloading a bunch of equipment that they bought from a going out of business sale and they underprice a lot of the stuff that they don't know what it is. Oh, and books. Most of the books are old (and therefore useless), but very cheap. I picked up a book on Apache internals a few years ago for a couple bucks. It was old, but still relevant. Overall, it seems to me that the newer systems are priced about the same as they would be retail. The ads make you think you're going to get a great deal on everything there, and there are really good deals on some (mostly older) hardware, but if you're looking to buy something newer, you're going to pay about the same. But who knows, maybe it'll be different this year... I won't be going, but it would be interesting to see someone go and record the specs and pricing on a few random systems - some older, some newer, and then compare with pricing on-line and see what the spread looks like. Adam Maloney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jul 1 14:39:06 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:01:26 -0500 > From: Erik Anderson > I attended one of these a few years ago and IMHO it was a complete waste > of time...just a bunch of mom & pop-type booths selling crappy recycled > computer equipment and what looked like pirated software...to me it > seemed like most of the people that were there were not the type that > would really care to hear about linux. I don't mean to be defeatist - > but this is just the feeling that I got. Maybe they''ve improved the > shows in the last few years. > > Has anyone else had a different experience at one of the Super Computer > Shows? After going to a few of these, I generally regard them as a waste of time and money. - Bluestar charges a hefty admission just to get in the door. Apparently, they are not content to charge the vendors. - While there are local vendors, most are not local. If you have a problem with an item, you have to go through the mail, which is no better than buying from a web site. - Software is available with questionable licensing. OEM and academic licensed software is available cheap. Not a war crime, but makes me feel like it should be in a plain brown wrapper. - Merchandise is generally cheap, poorly made junk... but inexpensive. I suppose the only good reason to go is to buy a used laptop so you can try it out and get a pretty good selection. But there are local used laptop stores too. (Que Computers has pretty good prices.) If you want to patronize local shops, go to their stores and save the admission fee. If you want low price, shop on the Internet and save sales tax. There's just no good reason to go. MHO, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jul 1 15:54:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40E47A0C.5090101@visi.com> Marketing, Marketing, Marketing, I don't know how much more I can say about Blue Star Marketing (BS-M). I went to one of the shows about 8 years ago, it was like a flee market with PC's. No, a flee market has some good deals, this is more like a traveling carnival. People were sucking up everything the barkers said. I don't think being associated with BS-M would be good for TCLUG. If I were more paranoid I'd say M$ is paying BS-M, to make the LUG's look like all the other carnies. Linux has come from the basement to the fore front of technology in the last few years. * I think being part of BS-M's "Supercomputer Sale" would make TCLUG look bad. Sam. Clay Fandre wrote: >Hey, what do you guys think about this? Should the TCLUG have a booth >at the show? Let me know if anyone is interested in coordinating or >manning the booth. > >-- Clay > > >----- Forwarded message ----- > >Blue Star Productions produces the most attended computer shows through-out the nation. We are holding the Super Computer Sale at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds July 9-11, 2004. In the cities we go to we provide booth space for local computer user groups. The purpose is two-fold, to provide an "Answer Booth" for the attendees of the sale and so the user group can promote their organization. > >Since the TCLUG is located in the area, we would like to offer your club free space at the Super Computer Sale next weekend at the State Fairgrounds. To find out more information about the Super Computer Sale go to www.supercomputersale.com or give me a call. I look forward to hearing from you. > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jul 1 14:50:46 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: <20040701140900.A27150@thinkunix.net> References: <20040701165014.GD3535@fandre.com> <20040701140900.A27150@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1816.156.98.100.45.1088711446.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > They used to be good back in the day. I haven't been to one in a while > though. The admission charge is expensive and I don't like buying gear > from some unknown vendor from Ohio (where if it's bad you have to pay to > ship it back). Personally I think some of the stuff being sold there was > stolen. I'd say they're over-rated. Admission has gone up, quality has gone down. Good deals can still be found, if you're looking hard enough. Usually if I'm looking for something that every vendor has, and there will be no shortage, I go on Sun afternoon in the last few hours. Usually you can argue with the vendors to come down to decent prices on their stuff, especilly if they have an overstock of it. Back when floppy disks cost a lot, I got a killer deal on a big box of floppies. Curious, I looked at them when I got home. I found everything from software installation to data (including financial data) on the disks. They hadn't even attempted to format them. Either the people in the chain were clueless or criminals, I'm not sure. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Jul 1 15:28:28 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron question In-Reply-To: References: <1188090802.20040701110527@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <496139460.20040701152828@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, July 1, 2004 @ 3:27:53 PM Central Standard Time sgc> Cron uses run-parts to deal with the directories. By default this sgc> should be alphabetical order, but I think that can be altered. read sgc> run-parts(8) for more info. sgc> Jay Thank You!!! Robert D. De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From narshe at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:54:01 2004 From: narshe at gmail.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] regex problem Message-ID: <4a0cafe20407011454d350b92@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to get a simple regex to work. Here is the test script I have. #!/usr/bin/php -q This outputs hell\r\nworl\r\n so it's removing the char before the \n also. I just want it to replace a lone \n with \r\n -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Thu Jul 1 18:28:15 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] regex problem In-Reply-To: <4a0cafe20407011454d350b92@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a0cafe20407011454d350b92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088724495.2354.9.camel@jonner.homelinux.org> You want a negative lookbehind assertion. like so: #!/usr/bin/php -q Otherwise you're matching any character before a \n that's not a \r and replacing it. jonner On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 16:54, Josh Close wrote: > I'm trying to get a simple regex to work. Here is the test script I have. > > #!/usr/bin/php -q > > $string = "hello\nworld\n"; > $string = preg_replace("/[^\r]\n/i","\r\n",$string); > $string = addcslashes($string, "\r\n"); > > print $string; > > ?> > > This outputs > > hell\r\nworl\r\n > > so it's removing the char before the \n also. > > I just want it to replace a lone \n with \r\n > > -Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- jonathon jongsma _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu Jul 1 19:37:23 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail config problem In-Reply-To: <009101c45f8d$a209b870$0a940840@DELL2> References: <009101c45f8d$a209b870$0a940840@DELL2> Message-ID: <40E4AE43.3010901@cruiskeen.com> Raymond Norton wrote: > Can > this be fixed at our public DNS servers, or is it a simple config adjustment > on the box? > > Jul 1 11:56:15 mail sendmail[2998]: i61GuFn1002996: SYSERR(root): > hostname.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > Jul 1 11:56:15 mail sendmail[2999]: i61GuFn1002999: hostname.com [10.x.x.x] > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > One of the most frequently asked sendmail questions. http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5 Basically you haven't configured your mail server to know it's supposed to receive email for all the domains. > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 20:16:14 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, it is an option that must be enabled in the kernel. If its not there, that just means the option (CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG) was not set to yes. If this is the case, you will need to find the config file distributed with the kernel source. This is a fairly new option in the stock kernel (the patch for it has been around a while, though) and the kernel does not otherwise keep this information. Jay On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:28:27 -0500, Josh Close wrote: > > It's a 2.6 kernel. /proc is actually there, the file config just isn't. > > When booting with the 2.4 kernel from the livecd, /proc/config is there. > When booting with the 2.6 kernel, it isn't. But, /proc is. > > They must store this info somewhere. > > -Josh > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > > slushpupie@gmail.com > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:18 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] gentoo livecd smp kernel config > > > > > > The kernel option to have /proc/config must be compiled in . That > > kernel apparently dosnt have it (or its an older kernel that dosnt > > even have the option), so you would need to find the original > > source/package for it. > > > > Jay > > > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:01:54 -0500, Josh Close > > wrote: > > > > > > When the gentoo live cd boots up I can get the kernel > > config like this. > > > > > > cat /proc/config > /mnt/gentoo/usr/src//.config > > > > > > But when it boots as smp, /proc/config doesn't exist. > > > > > > Is there a way to still get this? > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Thu Jul 1 23:34:08 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (extrinsik) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address family not supported by protocol. Message-ID: <40E4E5C0.1070009@earthlink.net> Hello everyone, Today windows 95 failed horribly for my mother while i tried to install a NIC so we could lan up. It told me to "run setup to reconfigure it", but my serial is long gone for windows 95. So, I am gladly installing linux on it for my mother. I had my Slackware 9.1 cds, so I put them and started to install. I did it in expert mode, so I could make it a bit smaller. I selected the lowmem.i kernel, just to make sure it ran a bit faster. Oh yeah, maybe I should tell the specs of the machine 166mhz cyrix (yes; that isn't a typo. A cyrix) 16mbs of ram 2 gig hd (ide) Anyways, I booted in to start X, and I get a "Address family not supported by protocol" somewhere in the mess of not being able to setting its services up. This is like this for pretty much any application that wants to set up on a local port. So, I thought it was the lowmem.i kernel. So what I did was copy the bare.i kernel files to the /boot directory (naming them accordingly; config-ide-2.4.22, vmlinuz-ide-2.4.22, etc). This didn't work either. Then, I thought it was to do with some of the base packages or network packages. So, I installed all the recommended packages in the base and net sections. Well, it still gives me the error. I will recompile, but that will be the last resort (recompiling on a 166mhz, ehg, that'd take forever!... I could probably do it overnight I sopose). Also another thing about recompiling is I have a limited amount of space I'm working with (2gbs), and I left out most of the software developement packages. Anyone have simular experiences? Thanks for any help, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Jul 1 23:43:49 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Super Computer Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200407012343.49774.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 01 July 2004 02:26 pm, Adam Maloney wrote: > > so i guess i had a good experience. > > I've been to a few of them over the years. My experience has been that > there are very few actual deals, compared to what you can find on > pricewatch and ebay (if you swing that way). The exception is if you're > looking for something old and/or obscure. > This was the general opinion the last time I went. (Earlier this year.) The computer portion of the show was getting smaller and for the most part it was a general merchandise sale with more computer dealers in one section. Most people felt that many of the vendors had moved to ebay and didn't bother to travel any more to these shows. Some other folks questioned the source of the material. I don't think anything was not legit. For a while some of the local surplus vendors could be found at these on a regular basis in addition to the "road show" folks that came in from farther afield. > > Oh, and books. Most of the books are old (and therefore useless), but > very cheap. I picked up a book on Apache internals a few years ago for a > couple bucks. It was old, but still relevant. > The book guy was the reason I used to go. I've found a bunch of books on the 3 for $25 tables that I could use as supplements to the texts we have at school. Alas he was gone the last time and I suspect he won't be back. As far as the group attending, do we want to promote Linux? My opinion is anyplace that computer users gather in quantity is an opportunity for advocating Linux and Free Software. This offer may signal Bluestar's realization that the shows are going down hill and they need to do something to bring them back. Adding user groups may be an indication that they want the shows to have a more "local" flavor. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Fri Jul 2 06:54:38 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vim tips In-Reply-To: <20040630123220.A4261@real-time.com> References: <20040630123220.A4261@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1088769278.10203.4.camel@localhost> You use viper mode in emacs? Then walaa you have vi keybindings in emacs. On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:32, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > holy **** some of this stuff is cool! > http://www.rayninfo.co.uk/vimtips.html > > the word-completion trick (ctrl-n) rocks! > > here's a nifty excerpt: > ---------------------------------------- > # Absolutely essential > ---------------------------------------- > * # g* g# : find word under cursor () (forwards/backwards) > % : match brackets {}[]() > . : repeat last modification > matchit.vim : % now matches tags