From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 1 11:13:47 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines Message-ID: anybody have a super cool formula for figuring out the specs a linux box should have for certain jobs? The recent "pop3 server recommendations thread" got me to thinking - if I were to build a box that would be a email server for a group of 20 folks - I probably would not drop by Walmart on my way into work and pick up a $200 special... I may be helping out a buddy by bringing more Linuxy stuff into his consulting gig.... so I need information to crossover/translate from the end user desktop linux system (my simple hacked up boxes) to the server class or "this stuff's important" linux system. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Jun 1 11:43:06 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040601114306.000064f4@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:13:47 -0500 "Johnny Fulcrum" wrote: > anybody have a super cool formula for figuring out the specs a linux > box should have for certain jobs? > > The recent "pop3 server recommendations thread" got me to thinking - > if I were to build a box that would be a email server for a group > of 20 folks - I probably would not drop by Walmart on my way into > work and pick up a $200 special... > > I may be helping out a buddy by bringing more Linuxy stuff into his > > consulting gig.... so I need information to crossover/translate from > the end user desktop linux system (my simple hacked up boxes) to > the server class or "this stuff's important" linux system. Most basic serving needs do not require a whole lot of horsepower, with the exception of perhaps a hard hit Java Application Server or Oracle database. An email server for 20 users with POP/IMAP/SMTP and webmail could easilly be a Pentium III or even a PII. If this is the only function of the box, save even more cycles but not installing X or a Window Manager and use ssh to remote manage or log into a console. The real high-end machines, PIV/Xeon 3.0 Ghz+ are more for gaming/graphics and real heavy load servers (100's to 1000's of users). Would I take a PIV over a PIII? Heck yeah, but there's no need to go out and buy anything new, keep an eye out on the TCLUG classifieds, I think someone had a nice PIII for $80 that probably has Debian/Slackware email server written all over it. :) I've run MySQL, POP/IMAP/SMTP, Apache on a PIII 450 for 2 dozen users for a couple years now, never heard any complaints about speed. This system used to be able to even play a DVD while running (though I don't do that anymore). Email/httpd servers essentially serve up and store files, mostly textual in nature except for attachments/images so it's not a huge load unless you get into real heavy Spam/Virus filtering. I don't have a specific formula to go by, maybe some of the more seasoned folks will chime in. Anyway, that's my thought on it. YMMV. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jun 1 11:51:36 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: <20040601114306.000064f4@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040601114306.000064f4@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40BCB418.9070207@tc-tech.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: > Email/httpd servers essentially serve up and store files, mostly textual in nature except for attachments/images so it's not a huge load unless you get into real heavy Spam/Virus filtering. Agreed, it's not like you're running exchange here! lol! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 1 12:05:23 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: <40BCB418.9070207@tc-tech.com> References: <20040601114306.000064f4@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <40BCB418.9070207@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <40BCB753.9090208@structural-wood.com> Matt Murphy wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > >> Email/httpd servers essentially serve up and store files, mostly >> textual in nature except for attachments/images so it's not a huge >> load unless you get into real heavy Spam/Virus filtering. > > > Agreed, it's not like you're running exchange here! lol! > > Matt > I third that - I ran a dual pentium 166 system for years as an IMAP server system for 45 users and never had any speed issues with it. Linux OS, Cyrus IMAP, 128Mb of RAM. Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jun 1 12:58:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines Message-ID: <1086112681.40bcc3a9a6c73@my.visi.com> It depends on more then just performance of the base system, backup, reliability, fault tolerance, etc... need to be looked at. Some customers need the basic system for 20 people and some need more then just an eMail server for 10 people. Know what the customer expects when it comes restoring an eMail and down time. Sam. Quoting Johnny Fulcrum : > anybody have a super cool formula for figuring out the specs a linux box > should have for certain jobs? > > The recent "pop3 server recommendations thread" got me to thinking - if I > were to build a box that would be a email server for a group of 20 folks - > I probably would not drop by Walmart on my way into work and pick up a > $200 special... > > I may be helping out a buddy by bringing more Linuxy stuff into his > consulting gig.... so I need information to crossover/translate from the > end user desktop linux system (my simple hacked up boxes) to the server > class or "this stuff's important" linux system. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Jun 1 13:06:38 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc Message-ID: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2> I tried out gotomypc.com this weekend and found it to be pretty cool. The desktop interaction was pretty responsive, and I liked the file transfer feature. For those that don't know how it works, you install a client on the pc you want to control. This client talks to a gotomypc server. You connect to the remote pc via a web browser which connects to the same gotomypc server. This creates a connection you can work from. I have always wanted to set something up like this for my customers that I service. I have been able to access some workstations by port forwarding tcp 5900 to the private IP of the workstation that I need to access. If the customer has Terminal Server I access it and use VNC from there to the local workstations. This works fine if you can port forward or Nat one to one, but I cannot connect to ISP customers using one to many Nat. The gotomypc client software initiates the outbound connection, so this problem is overcome when using there services. Since I am unwilling to spend $14.95 a month per PC, I was wondering if there is a project or solution out there that would be similar ? Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jun 1 17:59:48 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc In-Reply-To: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <40BD0A64.4010707@redconcepts.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > I tried out gotomypc.com this weekend and found it to be pretty cool. The > desktop interaction was pretty responsive, and I liked the file transfer > feature. For those that don't know how it works, you install a client on the > pc you want to control. This client talks to a gotomypc server. You connect > to the remote pc via a web browser which connects to the same gotomypc > server. This creates a connection you can work from. so you are trusting a third party with remote access to your computers? ... think about that one for a second. > I have always wanted to set something up like this for my customers that I > service. I have been able to access some workstations by port forwarding tcp > 5900 to the private IP of the workstation that I need to access. If the > customer has Terminal Server I access it and use VNC from there to the local > workstations. This works fine if you can port forward or Nat one to one, but > I cannot connect to ISP customers using one to many Nat. The gotomypc client > software initiates the outbound connection, so this problem is overcome when > using there services. Since I am unwilling to spend $14.95 a month per PC, > I was wondering if there is a project or solution out there that would be > similar ? introducing: OpenSSH using ssh keys you can create secure tunnels that forward port $xxx on the remote server to port $yyy on the local box. Then you can have VNC/rdesktop/TS listening on the local interface and be able to connect to it securely from the comfort of your own couch. here is an example of single tunnel that lets ssh traffic back into the box behind the firewall ssh -2 -R 10022:localhost:22 nassarmu@dom.redconcepts.net -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Tue Jun 1 18:19:31 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop Message-ID: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> Is there any consensus on what filesystem is best to use on laptops? Is the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? How much battery life does journaling actually cost? If anyone has general tips about how to squeeze more life out of batteries, I'd be happy to hear them. Thanks, Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ston0235/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jun 1 18:38:55 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc In-Reply-To: <40BD0A64.4010707@redconcepts.net> References: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2> <40BD0A64.4010707@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <40BD138F.7090503@eworld3.net> Munir Nassar wrote: > Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I tried out gotomypc.com this weekend and found it to be pretty cool. The >> desktop interaction was pretty responsive, and I liked the file transfer >> feature. For those that don't know how it works, you install a client >> on the >> pc you want to control. This client talks to a gotomypc server. You >> connect >> to the remote pc via a web browser which connects to the same gotomypc >> server. This creates a connection you can work from. > > > so you are trusting a third party with remote access to your computers? Even if you trust the people at gotomypc, how long will it be before their system is hacked or someone figures out how to spoof the clients. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at mail.lctn.org Tue Jun 1 19:14:31 2004 From: admin at mail.lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc In-Reply-To: <40BD138F.7090503@eworld3.net> References: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2><40BD0A64.4010707@redconcepts.ne t> <40BD138F.7090503@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <2086.66.103.177.15.1086135271.squirrel@lctn.org> >> so you are trusting a third party with remote access to your computers? > > Even if you trust the people at gotomypc, how long will it be before > their system is hacked or someone figures out how to spoof the clients. Well......, the reason for the post is so I can do it without a 3rd party. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jun 1 19:59:10 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc In-Reply-To: <2086.66.103.177.15.1086135271.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <04b901c44803$2eedba90$4bae6742@DELL2><40BD0A64.4010707@redconcepts.ne t> <40BD138F.7090503@eworld3.net> <2086.66.103.177.15.1086135271.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <40BD265E.2090708@eworld3.net> Understood, I meant "you" in the general sense, not "Raymond Norton" specifically. Sorry if there was any confusion. Raymond Norton wrote: >>>so you are trusting a third party with remote access to your computers? >> >>Even if you trust the people at gotomypc, how long will it be before >>their system is hacked or someone figures out how to spoof the clients. > > > > Well......, the reason for the post is so I can do it without a 3rd party. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 1 19:58:56 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1086137935.9603.22.camel@bigtime> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 18:19, Ian Stoner wrote: > Is there any consensus on what filesystem is best to use on laptops? Is > the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? How much > battery life does journaling actually cost? Use laptop mode, I made a post earlier. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2004-May/066013.html Actually I was even asked to make a FAQ entry on fedorazine.com... The laptop-mode script among other tuning extends the journal sync time, so it syncs every 10min instead of (IIRC) every 5 seconds. The default 5 seconds never lets the disk spin down, which is why journaling FS hasn't been recommended in the past. I find journaling filesystems are rather nice for when your battery dies... With laptop mode in place, selection of a filesystem shouldn't be any different from a desktop. Pick whichever you like... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Jun 1 20:34:16 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> (message from Ian Stoner on Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:19:31 -0500) References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <200406020134.i521YGh16578@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Ian Stoner wrote: >Is there any consensus on what filesystem is best to use on laptops? Is >the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? How much >battery life does journaling actually cost? Use laptop mode as suggested in a previous thread. Using laptop mode there would be an insignificant additional cost to battery life when using a journaling filesystem. Not using laptop mode and a journaling filesystem may not be hard on battery life. The reiserfs in particular holds off on writing cache as long as possible. (I'm not sure about the journal itself.) The reiserfs has provided excellent performance on my laptop! I've experimented with purposely running the battery dead and I've never lost a file yet due to the journaling. Also, I've never noticed more battery drain with reiserfs versus ext2. >If anyone has general tips about how to squeeze more life out of >batteries, I'd be happy to hear them. Shutdown the hard drive and use a USB flash device. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jun 1 22:08:18 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <40BD44A2.3090707@visi.com> Run laptop batteries down to the end of the charge for the first month. Boot to a DOS diskette and turn off all power saving in the bios. Once this has been done several times your battery will hold a better charge and have a longer life. File system shouldn't have much of a effect on battery life. Lots of RAM will help, the machine will not have to hit swap as much. Sam. Ian Stoner wrote: >Is there any consensus on what filesystem is best to use on laptops? Is >the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? How much >battery life does journaling actually cost? > >If anyone has general tips about how to squeeze more life out of >batteries, I'd be happy to hear them. > >Thanks, >Ian > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Jun 1 21:10:20 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc In-Reply-To: <2086.66.103.177.15.1086135271.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: Tunnel your VNC connection over SSH. VNC security is really not, and is usually set up so you drop straight to a desktop rather than a username/password dialog. The VNC password itself can be brute-forced and there's no lockout ability (last I checked). Terminal services can be (and is by default) susceptible to the same; how many of your clients have set remote account lock-out on Administrator? How many have truly secure Administrator passwords? (It's wise to change the Administrator account name and create a dummy account named Administrator, btw. I also do this for Guest.) TS can be tunneled over SSH as well. If you can, filter traffic on 5900/3389 to prevent brute-force attacks, if an SSH tunnel isn't a viable option. John -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] something like gotomypc >> so you are trusting a third party with remote access to your computers? > > Even if you trust the people at gotomypc, how long will it be before > their system is hacked or someone figures out how to spoof the clients. Well......, the reason for the post is so I can do it without a 3rd party. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jun 1 22:50:30 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive Message-ID: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> A friend had a basement with 2 inches of water in it this morning, the sump pump quit. His PC (NEC tower case) was sitting on the floor, the drive was mounted to the bottom of the case of all places. The power supply is on the bottom as well. It's like an upside down design. He powered it on but the board on the drive was not totally dry, it trys to power up but shuts off. The board on the hard drive under the wet dust, now mold, had a burned spot. I cleaned the drive with a rag to get the goo off it and used the air compressor to be sure it didn't have any water on the under side. The disk almost spins up but it doesn't last long enough to get going, when the board shorts out. Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part Number 90648D3" They don't want or has had a head crash. I need the board from the drive to put on his drive to rescue the data. I can't warrant that a working drive will be working when I'm done. My friend is a little shaken up because he has his sales information for his business on the drive. Not to even talk about the carpet, sheet rock, wains coating, and everything else in his basement. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:57 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop (OT: Batteries advice) In-Reply-To: <40BD44A2.3090707@visi.com> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <40BD44A2.3090707@visi.com> Message-ID: <1086145378.14633.4.camel@chays.dyndns.org> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 22:08, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Run laptop batteries down to the end of the charge for the first month. > Boot to a DOS diskette and turn off all power saving in the bios. Once > this has been done several times your battery will hold a better charge > and have a longer life. > > > This advice is no longer really helpful with newer laptops, due to the lithium ion chemistry of the battery packs. Lithium ion or lithium polymer packs do not suffer from memory effects, and are only limited by a number of charge/discharge cycles. Therefore, it is still more efficient to use the charge to the end, but draining them completely is not helpful like it used to be with NiCad chemistry batteries. If the pack does not have good voltage management, the lithium ion packs can be damaged by discharging too far. If a lithium cell goes below 2.8V for any appreciable amount of time, it is usually damaged. When next charged it will vent gas (flammable gas!). Fortunately most packs have good cell management. We use lithium packs similar to those in ipaqs/laptops in our robotics research at the U of M, and have had some close calls with damaged batteries. Hope this information is useful. -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Jun 1 22:07:22 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <1086137935.9603.22.camel@bigtime> (message from Callum Lerwick on Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:58:56 -0500) References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <1086137935.9603.22.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: >laptop-mode script among other tuning extends the journal sync time, so >it syncs every 10min instead of (IIRC) every 5 seconds. The default 5 >seconds never lets the disk spin down, which is why journaling FS hasn't >been recommended in the past. Of course laptop mode is good to use, but don't over-estimate the benefit of using it. It will not be of much benefit to CPU bound tasks which rarely do disk I/O. The disk shouldn't be written to when there's nothing in the cache to write, so the sync every 5 seconds could effectively be a NOP. I've had no problems using the reiserfs on my laptop without laptop mode. My battery drains no faster using rieserfs than ext2, but my use of the system is much more CPU bound than I/O bound. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Jun 1 22:45:41 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63FF7@ipserver2.interplastic.com> "My friend is a little shaken up because he has his sales information for his business on the drive. Not to even talk about the carpet, sheet " Geez, no backups I take it. Well, if no one here can help Ontrack can probably salvage it easily enough. -----Original Message----- From: Sam MacDonald To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: 6/1/04 10:50 PM Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive A friend had a basement with 2 inches of water in it this morning, the sump pump quit. His PC (NEC tower case) was sitting on the floor, the drive was mounted to the bottom of the case of all places. The power supply is on the bottom as well. It's like an upside down design. He powered it on but the board on the drive was not totally dry, it trys to power up but shuts off. The board on the hard drive under the wet dust, now mold, had a burned spot. I cleaned the drive with a rag to get the goo off it and used the air compressor to be sure it didn't have any water on the under side. The disk almost spins up but it doesn't last long enough to get going, when the board shorts out. Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part Number 90648D3" They don't want or has had a head crash. I need the board from the drive to put on his drive to rescue the data. I can't warrant that a working drive will be working when I'm done. My friend is a little shaken up because he has his sales information for his business on the drive. Not to even talk about the carpet, sheet rock, wains coating, and everything else in his basement. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Jun 2 01:51:51 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 09:50:30PM -0600 References: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040602015151.A6685@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part > Number 90648D3" > They don't want or has had a head crash. I need the board from the > drive to put on his drive to rescue the data. > I can't warrant that a working drive will be working when I'm done. Afraid I can't help with the drive. Drives are supposed to be dust proof but I doubt they're water tight. Chances are probably high that water got inside and you'll either end up with rust or mineral deposits on the platters. I'd recommend your friend call his insurance company and get a new PC. > My friend is a little shaken up because he has his sales information for > his business on the drive. Not to even talk about the carpet, sheet > rock, wains coating, and everything else in his basement. Of course, he/she had backups right? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 2 06:34:26 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> References: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> Message-ID: > > Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part > Number 90648D3" I may have a match - - I have 100's of maxtor drives that are all in the 6 gig range - are there any other Maxtor drives that'd have the same board you need? I can check my stocks.... > > > Sam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 2 08:11:03 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> References: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part > Number 90648D3" They don't want or has had a head crash. I need the > board from the drive to put on his drive to rescue the data. I can't > warrant that a working drive will be working when I'm done. > > My friend is a little shaken up because he has his sales information for > his business on the drive. Not to even talk about the carpet, sheet > rock, wains coating, and everything else in his basement. Does he have business insurance? If so, they may cover taking the drive to Ontrack - I'd try that route first, since it's very important information to him. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 11:08:46 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> Message-ID: <1086192526.9603.34.camel@bigtime> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 06:34, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM Part > > Number 90648D3" > > I may have a match - - I have 100's of maxtor drives that are all in the 6 > gig range - > are there any other Maxtor drives that'd have the same board you need? I > can check my stocks.... Easiest is to just match it visually. Dunno if the model numbers tend to actually have anything to do with the mechanism in use. I took the board off a dead 60gb Fujitsu and switched it with an obviously fried (a chip melted!) 40gb of the same design and got a working 40gb out of it. It fails the SMART extended tests, but works otherwise. I use it for non-critical storage... (Namely, my mythtv server...) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Jun 2 12:03:34 2004 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual-boot Windows XP and Linux? Message-ID: <40BE0866.4020108@tcq.net> I am in the process of re-installing Windows XP Pro on my son's Dell laptop. This time around we would like to partition the drive and add Linux -- though haven't decided yet which distribution (probably either Debian or Suse). We don't want to wait for the next installfest, so does anyone have any hints, HOWTOs, gotcha's for doing this? I assume I'll use GRUB rather than LILO, although my past experience is that LILO is easier to set up, but that was with Windows 98. Thanks for suggestions, Kraig _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Jun 2 12:22:11 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual-boot Windows XP and Linux? References: <40BE0866.4020108@tcq.net> Message-ID: <048c01c448c6$26d31a30$0201a8c0@office> Just did a few of these last night at an installfest for an online class I am teaching. This is a BRIEF overview. Install XP first (I am sure you know this already). Partition Manually .. or use a tool to do it later after XP is all installed. Could use "parted" before starting with XP. Parted would let you create the partitions .. then maybe XP would create/format to NTFS when it starts. Parted comes on the RH9 cds ... not sure about other installs ... and you can boot to the RH9 and go into a rescue mode that lets you use parted to partition the drive. XP Pro is NTFS. If you want to use a Linux tool to repartition the drive use ntfsresize - can also be found as part of a bootable cd (SystemRescueCD http://www.sysresccd.org/ ). No one tried this last night, but I downloaded it and burnt a CD from the ISO ... my laptop did boot from the System Rescue CD. The rescue CD has ntfsresize on it. parted will not work on NTFS (if I read correctly). After you have resized the partition, or created one initially, you are pretty much ready to go with a normal install. The install is pretty straight forward after that. Use the partition tool as you install to create /boot and /swap and / ... usually the install is fairly clear on this. Then ... pick the packages to install and let it go. Hope this generic guidance helps. The key is to get two partitions made before starting the install, or to use a tool to partition the NTFS drive (XP) after the fact. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kraig Jones" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Dual-boot Windows XP and Linux? > I am in the process of re-installing Windows XP Pro on my son's Dell > laptop. This time around we would like to partition the drive and add > Linux -- though haven't decided yet which distribution (probably either > Debian or Suse). We don't want to wait for the next installfest, so > does anyone have any hints, HOWTOs, gotcha's for doing this? I assume > I'll use GRUB rather than LILO, although my past experience is that LILO > is easier to set up, but that was with Windows 98. > > Thanks for suggestions, > Kraig > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed Jun 2 12:53:49 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual-boot Windows XP and Linux? In-Reply-To: <048c01c448c6$26d31a30$0201a8c0@office> References: <40BE0866.4020108@tcq.net> <048c01c448c6$26d31a30$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <40BE142D.2090008@cruiskeen.com> Randy Clarksean wrote: > Just did a few of these last night at an installfest for an online class I > am teaching. This is a BRIEF overview. > > Also note that if you're using one of the new 2.6 kernel based distros that there are some special ugly considerations re: disk geometry: http://www.fedorazine.com/content/view/191/38/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 18:19:08 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <1086137935.9603.22.camel@bigtime> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> > Of course laptop mode is good to use, but don't over-estimate the > benefit of using it. It will not be of much benefit to CPU bound tasks > which rarely do disk I/O. The disk shouldn't be written to when there's > nothing in the cache to write, so the sync every 5 seconds could > effectively be a NOP. I've tested this a bit, at least with ext3. Even with *nothing* running, killed off everything but a shell, ext3 writes *something* to disk every minute or so. The disk never spins down. Dunno about reiser. But on a real running system, there's definitely going to be something keeping the disk spinning all the time. If there's so much as one dirty block, the kernel will sync it within 1 minute. The laptop mode script tunes this up to 10 minutes, something far more useful for power saving. But also increases the possibility of losing data should your battery die or otherwise hang. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 19:32:40 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Hi, I'm in the market for a new soundcard. I have a cheapo card right now (Cirrus Logic, I think), which is fine, but it makes this god awful pink noise (it does this under windows, too). The linux support for the card is fine, I just want a better sound card. I was wondering what is the best bet for linux (kernel) support? I don't want to run into trouble like I did with my aureal vortex -- horrible mistake. Something equivalent or higher to 4.1 support would be nice for any recommendations, also. Thanks, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Jun 2 19:51:07 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Strictly Business Expo In-Reply-To: <20040602160058.GA2808@fandre.com> References: <20040602160058.GA2808@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40BE75FB.50108@eworld3.net> I spent the day there last year and it was fun talking to all sorts of people about the TCLUG and Linux. We were selling Red Hat sets at cost and we could not burn CDs fast enough! We had far more people at our booth than any other booth in our row. Clay Fandre wrote: > Just a reminder that the TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo > next week June 9th and 10th. We are in booth 535, so be sure to stop > by to say HI. I do have free tickets available for the Expo, and will > be giving them away at the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. > > If you are interested in helping out at the booth, let me know. All we > need is a couple of hours of your time to answer questions and explain > what the TCLUG is all about to those who stop by. I will create a > schedule in the next couple of days, so email me ASAP. (I know many of > you have already emailed me, but can you resend your preference of > date/time?) > > Thanks. > > -- Clay -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Wed Jun 2 20:06:40 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> Todd Mueller wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in the market for a new soundcard. I have a cheapo card right now (Cirrus > Logic, I think), which is fine, but it makes this god awful pink noise (it > does this under windows, too). The linux support for the card is fine, I just > want a better sound card. > > I was wondering what is the best bet for linux (kernel) support? I don't want > to run into trouble like I did with my aureal vortex -- horrible mistake. > Something equivalent or higher to 4.1 support would be nice for any > recommendations, also. soundblaster live 5.1 is well supported. i think it's a good quality card. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jun 2 21:27:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <1086137935.9603.22.camel@bigtime> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <40BE8C83.6020203@visi.com> I'm running Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700. The drive light flashes only on occasion with X running and a screen saver. It's about every 10 - 15 minutes or so. Sam. Callum Lerwick wrote: >>Of course laptop mode is good to use, but don't over-estimate the >>benefit of using it. It will not be of much benefit to CPU bound tasks >>which rarely do disk I/O. The disk shouldn't be written to when there's >>nothing in the cache to write, so the sync every 5 seconds could >>effectively be a NOP. >> >> > >I've tested this a bit, at least with ext3. Even with *nothing* running, >killed off everything but a shell, ext3 writes *something* to disk every >minute or so. The disk never spins down. Dunno about reiser. > >But on a real running system, there's definitely going to be something >keeping the disk spinning all the time. If there's so much as one dirty >block, the kernel will sync it within 1 minute. The laptop mode script >tunes this up to 10 minutes, something far more useful for power saving. >But also increases the possibility of losing data should your battery >die or otherwise hang. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jun 2 21:36:43 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <40BD4E86.5050705@visi.com> Message-ID: <40BE8EBB.2010901@visi.com> Very cool! Look on the board is might have another number near what looks like a graphic of the sun. 301193100 Vega III He's going to have to buy a new computer so It's going to have a backup system of some kind. Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a Maxtor DiamondMax 4320 Ultra DMA , 6.4 GB. "OEM >> Part Number 90648D3" > > > I may have a match - - I have 100's of maxtor drives that are all in > the 6 gig range - > are there any other Maxtor drives that'd have the same board you > need? I can check my stocks.... > > >> >> >> Sam. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 20:38:24 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> Message-ID: <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> > > I was wondering what is the best bet for linux (kernel) support? I don't want > > to run into trouble like I did with my aureal vortex -- horrible mistake. Vortex's are awesome. Well engineered. Excellent S/N ratio. (Unless you buy one of those ultra cheap grey market chinese models...) Supported out of the box with 2.6 kernels/alsa > soundblaster live 5.1 is well supported. i think it's a good quality card. Noisy as hell. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 20:56:27 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <40BD44A2.3090707@visi.com> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <40BD44A2.3090707@visi.com> Message-ID: <1086227786.9603.459.camel@bigtime> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 22:08, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Run laptop batteries down to the end of the charge for the first month. > Boot to a DOS diskette and turn off all power saving in the bios. Once > this has been done several times your battery will hold a better charge > and have a longer life. Lithium Ion, used in about all laptops made within the last 3-4 years, is quite a bit different than Ni-Cad and NiMH, in fact this advice is one of the worst things you could do to a Li-Ion. You should be doing quite the opposite. Most people don't seem to know this. I think I already wrecked a few Li-ion packs on my old toshiba before I learned of this. :( They get down to ~%50 charge then suddenly jump to %0. Guidelines to Prolonging Li-Ion Battery Life Unlike nickel based rechargeable batteries (NiCd and NiMH), Li ion batteries should be !!!charged early and often!!!. However, if they are not used for a longer time, they should be brought to a charge level of around 40%. Never use the battery care functions some cellular phones provide for nickel based batteries. (This will deep cycle the batteries.) Li ion batteries should be kept cool. Ideally they are stored in a fridge. However, they should not be subjected to freezing temperatures. Aging will take its toll much faster at high temperatures. Keeping them in burning hot cars can kill lithium ion batteries. Buy Li-Ion batteries only when needed. Look at the manufacturing date. That is when the aging process commenced. When using a notebook computer running from fixed line power over extended periods, it is advisable to remove the battery and store it in a cool place. (Laptops tend to run very hot. Heat is the enemy of li-ion. Also, li-ions can't be trickle charged, so leaving the battery in gains you nothing but a built in UPS...) More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 21:02:27 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200406022102.27097.extrinsik@earthlink.net> The problem I had with the vortex (II - I forgot to mention) is that the driver would usually crash the machine for some odd reason. I'm running on the 2.4 kernel, though. Todd Mueller On Wednesday 02 June 2004 08:38 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > I was wondering what is the best bet for linux (kernel) support? I > > > don't want to run into trouble like I did with my aureal vortex -- > > > horrible mistake. > > Vortex's are awesome. Well engineered. Excellent S/N ratio. (Unless you > buy one of those ultra cheap grey market chinese models...) Supported > out of the box with 2.6 kernels/alsa > > > soundblaster live 5.1 is well supported. i think it's a good quality > > card. > > Noisy as hell. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 21:21:47 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086229306.9603.473.camel@bigtime> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 11:13, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > anybody have a super cool formula for figuring out the specs a linux box > should have for certain jobs? > > The recent "pop3 server recommendations thread" got me to thinking - if I > were to build a box that would be a email server for a group of 20 folks - > I probably would not drop by Walmart on my way into work and pick up a > $200 special... For a group of 20, anything you could possibly buy new these days is likely way more than enough. You'd only need better of you get into the range of maybe tens of thousands of users, or a really really big database... The real issue is reliability. A reasonable quality $600-$1000 desktop is probably fine for most small business. Backup to tape or a second hard drive. If you keep parts handy it should only require an hour or two to swap a fried disk, power supply, or motherboard... A $200 Walmart special is questionable, in that price range the motherboards tend to be rather low quality, as well as the power supplies... Its only when your customer needs absolute 100% uptime that you need to get into hotswappable RAID, hotswappable redundant power supplies... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 2 21:37:42 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200406022102.27097.extrinsik@earthlink.net> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> <200406022102.27097.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1086230262.9603.489.camel@bigtime> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 21:02, Todd Mueller wrote: > The problem I had with the vortex (II - I forgot to mention) is that the > driver would usually crash the machine for some odd reason. I'm running on > the 2.4 kernel, though. Interesting, with both the old binary OSS driver and the new reverse engineered ALSA one I've never ever had a crash or hang. Not even with the earliest ALSA ones, though I didn't get sound. Heh. If you still have it, the project is somewhat suffering from lack of testers. http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/openvortex My vortex2 continues to serve me well since I bought it in '99. Awesome technology and quality engineering, killed off by Creative plowing Aureal under with bullshit lawsuits until they ran out of money. Classic strongarm tactics. R.I.P., Aureal. Sadly, the success of the reverse engineering effort comes a bit too late. I feel the evolution of PC audio technology has been stunted for another decade. ;P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 21:54:46 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1086230262.9603.489.camel@bigtime> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406022102.27097.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <1086230262.9603.489.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200406022154.46207.extrinsik@earthlink.net> On Wednesday 02 June 2004 09:37 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Interesting, with both the old binary OSS driver and the new reverse > engineered ALSA one I've never ever had a crash or hang. Not even with > the earliest ALSA ones, though I didn't get sound. Heh. If you still > have it, the project is somewhat suffering from lack of testers. > http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/openvortex Hmm, I still have it. I don't remember going across that project, though. I'll have to check it out tomorrow. I'll have to agree, the card is defiantly a great sound card. I'll update my position tomorrow, I'm going to get some rest for now. Thanks, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Jun 2 21:50:25 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20040602015151.A6685@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: The air filters to keep dust out but equalize air pressure (some also plan air flow since the disc "pumps") have a very tiny pore size that is likely to stop water unless submerged more than a foot or two. Good chance the inside is dry. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scot Jenkins > > Afraid I can't help with the drive. Drives are supposed to be dust > proof but I doubt they're water tight. Chances are probably high that > water got inside and you'll either end up with rust or mineral deposits > on the platters. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jun 3 08:11:25 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406031311.i53DBPC08028@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Compaq 17 in. Monitor I have a 17" Compaq monitor that I got from another TCLUGger for my daughter. She pulled a fast one on me and decided to buy a laptop and doesn't want the large monitor. It's free. No guarantee. In Eden Prairie. Seller Email address: jmk at kaufman dot eden-prairie dot mn dot us http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jun 3 09:37:38 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recursive file listing by size? Message-ID: <20040603093738.000000df@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Is this the most effective way to recursively search a large directory and show all files sorted by descending size? find . -type f -exec du {} \; | sort -nr | more Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 3 10:23:10 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040603152309.GM30680@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:38:24PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > soundblaster live 5.1 is well supported. i think it's a good quality card. > > Noisy as hell. > Try grounding your system properly, and muting inputs. =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 3 10:22:53 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recursive file listing by size? In-Reply-To: <20040603093738.000000df@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040603093738.000000df@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040603152253.GA11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jun 3 11:37:01 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help Message-ID: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> I'm Looking for some advice. Our registrar, enameco.com, looks like it has fallen off the face of the earth. They are also doing DNS for us. There Nameservers are down as well as there web site. What is the quickest way to transfer a domain to another registrar when you can not contact your current registrar? - Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Thu Jun 3 11:46:31 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> References: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <40BF55E7.50308@bethel.edu> Tom Penney wrote: > What is the quickest way to transfer a domain to another registrar when > you can not contact your current registrar? You may be stuck...I've transferred all of my domains (work and personal) to easydns, and the process has always involved getting in contact w/ the old registrar. Easydns has a support phone number you can call - you may want to contact them and see what they have to say about the situation. They'd probably be able to give you some good answers. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jun 3 12:43:10 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40BF55E7.50308@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Tom Penney wrote: > What is the quickest way to transfer a domain to another registrar when > you can not contact your current registrar? Erik Anderson wrote: > You may be stuck...I've transferred all of my domains (work and > personal) to easydns, and the process has always involved getting in > contact w/ the old registrar. > > Easydns has a support phone number you can call - you may want to > contact them and see what they have to say about the situation. They'd > probably be able to give you some good answers. Thanks for the recommendation but I could not find Easydns as a registrar. I know of easydns the software. It looks like your registrar at bethel is EduCause. Do you have a tech support phone number for a registrar? Can anyone recommend any good registrars? Until recently I did not think the registrar made much difference. Right now we can't even send mail, no reverse DNS. No one can see us. At our domain circussoftware.com Arghhh! -Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Thu Jun 3 12:53:10 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <40BF6586.8040808@bethel.edu> Tom Penney wrote: > Thanks for the recommendation but I could not find Easydns as a > registrar. I know of easydns the software. It looks like your registrar > at bethel is EduCause. Then you didn't look very hard...google search for easydns, and it'll turn up as the first link. http://easydns.com And I don't actually work for Bethel. I work for logicpd.com - I have a bethel account from when I was a student, and I still use it for all my mailing list subscriptions. > Do you have a tech support phone number for a registrar? Easydns's phone number is 1-888-677-4741. > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? See above. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Jun 3 12:52:11 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? I've always liked register.com, though I only have 5 domains. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jun 3 13:07:02 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40BF6586.8040808@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <000001c44995$962aab30$75ab62d1@blue> > Tom Penney wrote: > > > Thanks for the recommendation but I could not find Easydns as a > > registrar.. > > > Do you have a tech support phone number for a registrar? > > Easydns's phone number is 1-888-677-4741. > > > > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? > > See above. Doh... I was searching for EZDNS not EASYDNS... one of those days... Thanks again for your help! - Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Thu Jun 3 13:15:14 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000001c44995$962aab30$75ab62d1@blue> References: <000001c44995$962aab30$75ab62d1@blue> Message-ID: <40BF6AB2.4010204@bethel.edu> Tom Penney wrote: > Doh... I was searching for EZDNS not EASYDNS... one of those days... > Thanks again for your help! Hehe - it happens to the best of us! Good luck! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 3 13:23:32 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> Matt Murphy wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend any good registrars? > > > I've always liked register.com, though I only have 5 domains. eww! almost any other registrar is better... even verislime. personally i use gandi.net all you need without them trying to shove various other crap down your throat. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jun 3 13:15:36 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> References: <40BF55E7.50308@bethel.edu> <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <20040603131536.000053a3@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:43:10 -0500 "Tom Penney" wrote: > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? I've always supported dyndns.org since they were so good to me during my dynamic dns days. They now have a registrar and it's $15.00 per year vs. the usual $10.00. But I've received great support from them even chatting with one of their main developers for a while. Great group of folks who know their dns. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Jun 3 13:31:56 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1086287516.40bf6e9c27766@joshwelch.com> Quoting Munir Nassar : > eww! > > almost any other registrar is better... even verislime. > > personally i use gandi.net > all you need without them trying to shove various other crap down your > throat. > > -- > Munir Nassar > Say what you will about them, and I've said alot, verislime will probably be here next week and the week after, that's why I have my company's domains registered with them. I tried register.com for a one domain and have had a heck of a time with them, I'm currently trying to transfer that domain to a new registrar and I'll take a look at gandi.net, godaddy.com is annoying me as well. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Thu Jun 3 13:35:34 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> References: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <1086287734.40bf6f767fad4@joshwelch.com> Quoting Tom Penney : > I'm Looking for some advice. Our registrar, enameco.com, looks like it > has fallen off the face of the earth. They are also doing DNS for us. > There Nameservers are down as well as there web site. > > What is the quickest way to transfer a domain to another registrar when > you can not contact your current registrar? > > - Tom > I don't have anything to assist you with here, but I would be quite interested in finding out how this ends up. With so many discount registrars that have cropped up I'm curious as to the how things get sorted out when a registrar disappears like this. josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 3 14:21:18 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20040603192118.GB11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Thu Jun 3 14:28:36 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems Message-ID: Hi everyone! I am having some cdrom problems which I am hoping that someone will be able to help me out with. First question: When I try to mount a data CD this is what I get... [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist How do I view this CD? Second question: I am having problems playing DVDs and music CDs. Originally Fedora automatically recognized DVDs and music CDs now it is telling me that I do have permission and when I put in music CDs it tells me to change my permissions of /dev/cdrom. Help please anyone! I have had great luck using MPlayer watching dvds and then all of a sudden this happened. I don't know what I did. I will try to elaborate more if someone has questions. Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Jun 3 14:44:16 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20040603152309.GM30680@momentum.poptix.net> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <200406020307.i5237Mf17644@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1086218347.9603.439.camel@bigtime> <200406021932.41048.extrinsik@earthlink.net> <40BE79A0.3060307@esox.us> <1086226703.9603.443.camel@bigtime> <20040603152309.GM30680@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <123574443.20040603144416@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, June 3, 2004, 10:23:10 AM, you wrote: MSH> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:38:24PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> >> > soundblaster live 5.1 is well supported. i think it's a good quality card. >> >> Noisy as hell. >> MSH> Try grounding your system properly, and muting inputs. =) I was using a SB 128, upgraded to a SB 512, & now upgraded again to a SB Live on my Linux box. Never had a problem with any of the mentioned models..,ever. They are good, and low cost nowadays. Take Care & Rock-till-ya-drop, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Jun 3 15:18:07 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: On 6/3/04 12:43 PM, "Tom Penney" wrote: > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? I've had great luck with gkg.net -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Jun 3 15:28:07 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 03:18:07PM -0500 References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <20040603152807.B30509@thinkunix.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > On 6/3/04 12:43 PM, "Tom Penney" wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? > > I've had great luck with gkg.net ditto, their web interface even works with lynx/ssl for updating nameservers, contact info etc. I big bonus if you're a command line freak like me. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Jun 3 16:14:29 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> Message-ID: <200406031614.29503.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Thursday 03 June 2004 12:43, Tom Penney wrote: > > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? > I've been using gkg.net for a couple years and like them. I use zoneedit.com for DNS. Your first couple domains at zoneedit.com are free. The only thing I don't like about them is the fact that they do not use a secure connection for login and editing. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From extrinsik at earthlink.net Thu Jun 3 22:23:42 2004 From: extrinsik at earthlink.net (Todd Mueller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundcard recommendations? In-Reply-To: <123574443.20040603144416@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <20040603152309.GM30680@momentum.poptix.net> <123574443.20040603144416@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <200406032223.42287.extrinsik@earthlink.net> Well, I just put it in and now I'm testing it. No freeze ups yet. It might have just been that when I first tryed it I was using a different distro. Peanut Linux, I think. Now I'm using slackware, after getting into linux more. Seems to be working fine (the vortex II). No pink noise, :). I just hope it doesn't turn around and go screwy. Also, I didn't need to download anything. I just put it in and it worked.. Thanks everyone, Todd Mueller _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jun 3 23:18:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BFF80E.2000100@visi.com> When you mount a volume what ever it may be, it may need to be fully notated. mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom Now it might not be called /dev/cdrom it might be somethine else. /dev/cdrom is the usual name for the cdrom device. When you first logged in to your Fedora box you may have logged in as "root". "root" is all powerful, you should have created an account to use every day. You need to permission that every day account to use the devices. Sam. Chris Desjardins wrote: > Hi everyone! > I am having some cdrom problems which I am hoping that someone will be > able to help me out with. > First question: > When I try to mount a data CD this is what I get... > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom > mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist > > How do I view this CD? > > Second question: > I am having problems playing DVDs and music CDs. Originally Fedora > automatically recognized DVDs and music CDs now it is telling me that > I do have permission and when I put in music CDs it tells me to change > my permissions of /dev/cdrom. > > Help please anyone! I have had great luck using MPlayer watching dvds > and then all of a sudden this happened. I don't know what I did. > I will try to elaborate more if someone has questions. > > Thanks, > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter > to win a trip to NY > http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Fri Jun 4 01:31:38 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: <40BFF80E.2000100@visi.com> References: <40BFF80E.2000100@visi.com> Message-ID: <40C0174A.2060304@lorenburlingame.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: > When you mount a volume what ever it may be, it may need to be fully > notated. > > mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > Now it might not be called /dev/cdrom it might be somethine else. > /dev/cdrom is the usual name for the cdrom device. > > When you first logged in to your Fedora box you may have logged in as > "root". "root" is all powerful, you > should have created an account to use every day. You need to > permission that every day account to use the > devices. > > Sam. I have a feeling that he is just missing the symlink to /dev/hdc or whatever his cdrom device actually is. ln -s /dev/hdx /dev/cdrom or in the case of devfs: ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdromx /dev/cdrom (where x is the letter or number of your cdrom drive) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Fri Jun 4 09:56:25 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems Message-ID: 'mount /mnt/cdrom' will work if you have the full definition in the /etc/fstab file. If you are using the 'scsi-ide' module for a CD-writer, then you will need to create that symlink to something like /dev/sd0. Jeff Rasmussen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 4 10:18:20 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040604151820.GC11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 4 13:43:03 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> From: "Munir Nassar" > > I've always liked register.com, though I only have 5 domains. > > eww! > > almost any other registrar is better... even verislime. > What is wrong with Register.com? I have used them for several years and 4 domains and have had absolutely no trouble with them. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 4 13:59:49 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> Message-ID: <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > From: "Munir Nassar" > >>> I've always liked register.com, though I only have 5 domains. >> >>eww! >> >>almost any other registrar is better... even verislime. >> > > > What is wrong with Register.com? I have used them for several years and 4 > domains and have had absolutely no trouble with them. ever have a domain accidentally expire? if it happens they hold it ransom for a $200something "activation" fee. this has never happened to me and i do not use them, but this fact alone makes them very dangerous. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Fri Jun 4 14:15:59 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: I am surprised that none of you commenting run your own DNS - it's not exactly brain science and then you hve no trouble with someone else breaking. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at math.umn.edu Fri Jun 4 14:23:34 2004 From: dave at math.umn.edu (Dave Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> Message-ID: <200406041423.35454.dave@math.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > What is wrong with Register.com? I have used them for several years and 4 > domains and have had absolutely no trouble with them. I searched for a similar domain (foolishly using Register.com's WHOIS) to mine that I wanted - within two days someone squatted on it. That was more than three years ago. When the first squatter bought it, Register.com 'held' the domain with no explanation other than "we do that", and gave (sold) it to another squatter. - -- - -dave Dave Carlson Systems Administrator 8 Vincent Hall 612-625-4895 PGP Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAwMw2zhF8S1MJl6cRAq8DAJoCidAblg1J3tcGSMYTJx1OVk3kHACfZzSY ZaDTjbNi7Pu9oSXV+EBbSX4= =XZJz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 4 14:28:43 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 4 15:12:02 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <40C0D792.6030602@redconcepts.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > Requirements for running your own DNS: > > * Two servers on separate networks with static addresses i believe the requirement is two dns servers... if those are two uml sessions on the same box or two boxes one on each magnetic pole. It all depends on how much dedundancy the admin wants. iirc the RFCs do encourage your suggestion. > * Or, one static address server and a friend w/a static address server > who will be your backup what is this friend thing you are talking about? -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jun 4 15:57:43 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > I am surprised that none of you commenting run your own DNS - it's not > exactly brain science and then you hve no trouble with someone else > breaking. From my understanding, the problem is less with DNS than it is with the registrar. I'm not sure what ramifications your registrar falling off the face of the earth has if you're running your own DNS, but you'll almost undoubtedly have problems if you need to change a server, or such. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Jun 4 16:50:56 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <40C0D792.6030602@redconcepts.net> References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> <40C0D792.6030602@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <15210245153.20040604165056@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, June 4, 2004 @ 4:49:26 PM Central Standard Time MN> what is this friend thing you are talking about? If you set-up a slave-back-up for me, I will set-up a slave-back-up for you. That's it. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Fri Jun 4 18:36:14 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems Message-ID: I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems Any other ideas? Thanks! Chris >From: "Loren H. Burlingame" >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDrom problems >Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:31:38 -0500 > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > >>When you mount a volume what ever it may be, it may need to be fully >>notated. >> >>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom >> >>Now it might not be called /dev/cdrom it might be somethine else. >>/dev/cdrom is the usual name for the cdrom device. >> >>When you first logged in to your Fedora box you may have logged in as >>"root". "root" is all powerful, you >>should have created an account to use every day. You need to permission >>that every day account to use the >>devices. >> >>Sam. > >I have a feeling that he is just missing the symlink to /dev/hdc or >whatever his cdrom device actually is. > >ln -s /dev/hdx /dev/cdrom > >or in the case of devfs: > >ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdromx /dev/cdrom > >(where x is the letter or number of your cdrom drive) > >LB > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Jun 4 19:26:04 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <183753641.20040604192604@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, June 4, 2004 @ 7:30:01 PM Central Standard Time Just for fun, try this: cd /mnt (not /mnt/cdrom) while in /mnt simply type mount cdrom if that fails try mount /mnt/cdrom if that fails, swear loudly at it... Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Friday, June 4, 2004, 6:36:14 PM, you wrote: CD> I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... CD> [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom CD> mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist CD> [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom CD> [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom CD> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, CD> or too many mounted file systems CD> [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom CD> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, CD> or too many mounted file systems CD> Any other ideas? CD> Thanks! CD> Chris >>From: "Loren H. Burlingame" >>Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDrom problems >>Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:31:38 -0500 >> >>Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>>When you mount a volume what ever it may be, it may need to be fully >>>notated. >>> >>>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom >>> >>>Now it might not be called /dev/cdrom it might be somethine else. >>>/dev/cdrom is the usual name for the cdrom device. >>> >>>When you first logged in to your Fedora box you may have logged in as >>>"root". "root" is all powerful, you >>>should have created an account to use every day. You need to permission >>>that every day account to use the >>>devices. >>> >>>Sam. >> >>I have a feeling that he is just missing the symlink to /dev/hdc or >>whatever his cdrom device actually is. >> >>ln -s /dev/hdx /dev/cdrom >> >>or in the case of devfs: >> >>ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdromx /dev/cdrom >> >>(where x is the letter or number of your cdrom drive) >> >>LB >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list CD> _________________________________________________________________ CD> MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? FREE CD> download! 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Jun 4 20:19:03 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040605011903.GA28538@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:36:14PM -0700, Chris Desjardins wrote: > I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist > [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > > Any other ideas? > Thanks! > Chris > ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; a confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished. -- Goethe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Chris >From: James Kaufman >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDrom problems >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:19:03 -0500 > >On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:36:14PM -0700, Chris Desjardins wrote: > > I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... > > > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist > > [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > > or too many mounted file systems > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > > or too many mounted file systems > > > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks! > > Chris > > > >ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom >mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > >-- >Jim Kaufman >Linux Evangelist >public key 0x6D802619 >http://www.linuxforbusiness.net >--- >Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; >a confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished. > -- Goethe > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Jun 4 20:46:05 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 14:15, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > I am surprised that none of you commenting run your own DNS - it's not > exactly brain science and then you hve no trouble with someone else > breaking. Not true. How does the world know where to find your DNS Servers? answer: They check with your registrars DNS server for the ip ddress of your dns servers. If the registrar goes down you are screwed, Period. I do have our own dns server running bind. I also have one at home. I'm having trouble with running bind though NAT on my cisco 678. The cisco rewrites the bind anser packets and I get traffic to my house intended for our busness domains... (I've posted her with that problem before), Also my home DNS goes down regularly. I moved DNS to the registrar because I _ASS_umed that the registar would have better redundant systems than we have... -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Jun 4 20:56:09 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086287734.40bf6f767fad4@joshwelch.com> References: <000701c44989$02e27800$f2a962d1@blue> <1086287734.40bf6f767fad4@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1086400569.22043.383.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 13:35, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > Quoting Tom Penney : > > > I'm Looking for some advice. Our registrar, enameco.com, looks like it > > has fallen off the face of the earth. > > I don't have anything to assist you with here, but I would be quite interested > in finding out how this ends up. Luckily the registrar came back up later in the day. long enough for us to switch anyway. Non of the other registrars I called could help us, they all said the same thing. To switch we had to contact the old registrar. No one could even verify that I was the Technical contact for the domain because their whois database server was also down. From what I understand, if they did not come back up, our only recourse would have been to file a complaint with ICANN who regulates the registrars. I was told it would be at least a week before we would even know what options we had to get our domain back. - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Fri Jun 4 21:56:12 2004 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040604215612.73112aa5.crc1021@myrealbox.com> assuming the symlink is set up right to /dev/hdc That error can happen if you are run the scsi emulation module for the IDE drive those are needed for CD burning on kernel pre 2.6 lsmod | grep ide-scsi (or look in /etc/lilo.conf or the grub file for ide-scsi) if that is the case, you have to mount to a scsi device (such as /dev/scd0) ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/drom mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:59:01 -0700 "Chris Desjardins" wrote: > Here's what I get > > [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom > ln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists > [root@localhost chris]# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Jun 4 21:53:09 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1086403988.22043.443.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 20:46, Tom Penney wrote: > Also my home DNS goes down regularly. I meant my home "DSL" goes down regularly... -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jun 5 09:36:08 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:46:05PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > > Not true. How does the world know where to find your DNS Servers? > answer: They check with your registrars DNS server for the ip ddress of > your dns servers. If the registrar goes down you are screwed, Period. Uh, no. The nameserver entries for each domain are inserted into the root nameservers on a regular basis (2x a day or so). Your registrar being down has no effect on any domains you registered through them unless you make use of their systems for DNS. Domains NS records in the root zone (ie, ns1/ns2.foobar.com) have A records associated with them in the gtld-servers zones. (ie, ns1/ns2.foobar.com will _always_ resolve as long as the gtld-servers are available, regardless of if your dns servers are down, or your registrar is down. > I do have our own dns server running bind. I also have one at home. I'm > having trouble with running bind though NAT on my cisco 678. The cisco > rewrites the bind anser packets and I get traffic to my house intended > for our busness domains... (I've posted her with that problem before), > Also my home DNS goes down regularly. I moved DNS to the registrar > because I _ASS_umed that the registar would have better redundant > systems than we have... > > > -- > Tom Penney -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jun 5 12:28:02 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040605172802.GE29308@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Jun 5 13:15:28 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> <20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1086459328.22043.1388.camel@lotsa> On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 09:36, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:46:05PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > > > > Not true. How does the world know where to find your DNS Servers? > > answer: They check with your registrars DNS server for the ip ddress of > > your dns servers. If the registrar goes down you are screwed, Period. > > Uh, no. The nameserver entries for each domain are inserted into the root > nameservers on a regular basis (2x a day or so). Your registrar being down > has no effect on any domains you registered through them unless you make use > of their systems for DNS. > > Domains NS records in the root zone (ie, ns1/ns2.foobar.com) have A records > associated with them in the gtld-servers zones. (ie, ns1/ns2.foobar.com > will _always_ resolve as long as the gtld-servers are available, regardless > of if your dns servers are down, or your registrar is down. Yes, but don't the root zone records expire just like other DNS records? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'd really like to be sure I'm understanding this correctly. I thought the records which are loaded into into the root level name servers are loaded directly from the registrar. So when I change may name servers with my registrar the change takes effect (at the root level) the next time the root records are loaded from the registrar. If the registrars server is down temporarily, no big deal, it keeps the old records until they expire and tries to load them the next time. But if the registrar is down for an extended period the records expire and then disappear. If there are no records pointing to my DNS servers they can't be found even if they are up and running. The root records have to expire at some point don't they? If not there would be records floating around for every domain that was ever registered directing traffic to old long deceased name servers. Am I wrong? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Jun 5 13:57:42 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040605185742.GG11214@wookimus.net> Chris Desjardins wrote: > I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... > > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist > [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom > [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > > Any other ideas? Yeah, you can't mount music CD's. You have to use a CD Player software. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jun 5 17:14:39 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406052214.i55MEdS11584@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: air conditioner Small "Fedder" brand window-mount AC unit, approx. 10 years old. Not sure how many BTUs; best guess is around 5000. Works fine. $50/b.o. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Jun 5 18:19:37 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDrom problems In-Reply-To: <20040605185742.GG11214@wookimus.net> (message from Chad Walstrom on Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:57:42 -0500) References: <20040605185742.GG11214@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200406052319.i55NJbx08891@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >Chris Desjardins wrote: >> I tried to create a symlink and this is what I got... >> >> [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom >> mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist >> [root@localhost chris]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom >> [root@localhost chris]# mount /dev/cdrom >> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, >> or too many mounted file systems >> [root@localhost chris]# mount /mnt/cdrom >> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, >> or too many mounted file systems >> >> Any other ideas? Chad Walstrom write: >Yeah, you can't mount music CD's. You have to use a CD Player software. At least until someone writes an audio CD filesystem for Linux. I'm sure it wouldn't make it into Linus' kernel, but it could be provided as a patch. There are audio CD filesystems for BeOS, IRIX, Solaris and maybe other UNIX operating systems. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 5 19:54:39 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Discount/Coupon Info? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Sat Jun 5 21:50:18 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <200406031614.29503.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <200406031614.29503.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <1086490217.21361.2.camel@steelix.hissingdragon.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Sun Jun 6 06:25:10 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086490217.21361.2.camel@steelix.hissingdragon.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <200406031614.29503.barnabas@knicknack.net> <1086490217.21361.2.camel@steelix.hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <200406060625.11129.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Saturday 05 June 2004 21:50, John Hawley wrote: > On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 16:14, Eric Stanley wrote: > > On Thursday 03 June 2004 12:43, Tom Penney wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend any good registrars? > > > > I've been using gkg.net for a couple years and like them. > > > > I use zoneedit.com for DNS. Your first couple domains at zoneedit.com > > are free. The only thing I don't like about them is the fact that they > > do not use a secure connection for login and editing. > > yeah, they do. Its just obscurred at the bottom of their main web page. > Cool! Thanks for pointing that out. Eric > > Eric > > > > John Hawley > jhawley@hissingdragon.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 6 11:56:01 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <008501c44be7$25df8270$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ian Stoner writes: > Is the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? Journaling is more important on a laptop than a desktop, since there is a greater chance of an unclean shutdown (especially with the way that most PC laptops suspend). Note that all Apple laptops ship with journaling enabled on HFS+. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 6 12:01:21 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines References: <1086229306.9603.473.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> Callum Lerwick writes: > The real issue is reliability. A reasonable quality $600-$1000 desktop > is probably fine for most small business. Backup to tape or a second > hard drive. This is bad advice for an email server. With most mail severs, you cannot reliably backup the queue or the mailstore, since the state is constantly changing. The only freely available mail server that has built in clustering is PowerMail (dbmail allows for clustering via the database). The best way to backup a mail server is to use RAID. Any backup you have will be way too old. If users are storing mail on the server, as with IMAP, then it could be prudent to backup the mailstore, but only as an emergency measure against RAID failure. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 6 12:17:46 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <00ec01c44bea$2fb3f5d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Munir Nassar writes: > ever have a domain accidentally expire? Any decent registrar will send you reminder emails starting at 90 days from the expiration date. If you miss or ignore half a dozen emails reminding you to renew your domain, then you can't blame the registrar. > if it happens they hold it ransom for a $200something "activation" > fee. Wrong. Do a Google search for "domain redemption period". The registry (VeriSign) charges a high fee to restore domains that have been deleted by the registrar. This article provides a good explantion of the registrar / registry interaction for deletions: http://support.hosting.verio.com/verioknowbase/root/public/ves10015.htm -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 6 12:20:02 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <010101c44bea$80691fa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: >Requirements for running your own DNS: > > * Two servers on separate networks with static addresses That's wrong. You only need a single static IP address to run DNS. Unless you are providing DNS service to others, there is no need to have redundant DNS. You only need DNS on each network that you have other services. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jun 6 12:42:25 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406061742.i56HgPg21593@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Computers, Harddrives, Books Spring Cleaning give away.... (2) 486 Systems (I believe both are 50mhz) (1) Compaq Pentium System (200mhz I believe) (1) Box containing 7 harddrives (400mb - 2GB), assorted cards and controllers (scsi, ide, vga) (2) 15" Monitors (Both work) Lots and lots of computer and linux books. Most of the systems and harddrives already have linux on them, and form the looks of it, prereleases of older 2.4 kernels. These systems and harddrives are great for firewalls and routers, and personal use. They may or may not run x very well. Free for pickup or delivery in the vincinity of Edina. Let me know if you need more info. Seller Email address: klinej at msoe dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Sun Jun 6 13:46:35 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1086229306.9603.473.camel@bigtime> <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <40C3668B.4080101@cruiskeen.com> David Phillips wrote: > Callum Lerwick writes: > >>The real issue is reliability. A reasonable quality $600-$1000 desktop >>is probably fine for most small business. Backup to tape or a second >>hard drive. > > > This is bad advice for an email server. With most mail severs, you cannot > reliably backup the queue or the mailstore, since the state is constantly > changing. The only freely available mail server that has built in > clustering is PowerMail (dbmail allows for clustering via the database). > The best way to backup a mail server is to use RAID. Any backup you have > will be way too old. > Oh no, I really disagree here. We back up our IMAP mail store every night (Cyrus, weekly full, nightly incremental). About once a month one of our administrative types here does something like deleting all their mail folders. One of the few times anyone is grateful to me is when I pull them out from that. This works reasonably well with Cyrus, and much better if you can snapshot the file systems. This depends very much on your mail server's storage model, though. Reload the folders, do a reconstruct on their mailbox, and there you go - happy professor. Happy professor is really important to us. > If users are storing mail on the server, as with IMAP, then it could be > prudent to backup the mailstore, but only as an emergency measure against > RAID failure. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sun Jun 6 15:31:31 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <008501c44be7$25df8270$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <008501c44be7$25df8270$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040606203131.GA16245@refried.org> On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:56:01AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Ian Stoner writes: > > Is the benefit of journaling worth the cost in battery life? > > Journaling is more important on a laptop than a desktop, since there is a > greater chance of an unclean shutdown (especially with the way that most PC > laptops suspend). Unless all of your desktop machines have UPSes, I'll have to call bullshit on this one. Since laptops have their own batteries, they don't have the power outage type shutdowns that desktops too. If your suspending gives an unclean shutdown, then you're init scripts aren't configured properly. It should definitely sync the hard drive before suspending. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jun 6 20:08:53 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <010101c44bea$80691fa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net><20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net> <010101c44bea$80691fa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1102.68.187.156.243.1086570533.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > That's wrong. You only need a single static IP address to run DNS. Technically, yes. I like redundancy though, especially for e-mail. If you have one box that does web/e-mail/DNS, and that box goes down, web users and e-mail senders are given an error that you don't exist. If you have redundant DNS, you get an error that you exist, but can't be found. The difference is that with a single box, e-mail bounces immediately whereas with redundant boxes your e-mail is held for up to five days before bouncing. This gives you time to get the box up without losing any messages. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 6 20:29:38 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net><20040604192843.GF11214@wookimus.net><010101c44bea$80691fa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1102.68.187.156.243.1086570533.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <000401c44c2e$e662fcb0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Brian writes: > If you have one box that does web/e-mail/DNS, and that box goes down, > web users and e-mail senders are given an error that you don't exist. > If you have redundant DNS, you get an error that you exist, but can't > be found. IE displays the same page in both situations. At least 99.9% of users wouldn't understand the distinction and wouldn't care. The end result is the same: the service is down. > The difference is that with a single box, e-mail bounces > immediately Wrong. Email is specifically designed to work around transient failures. Any MTA that does not understand the difference between "temporary failure" and "domain does not exist" will fail horribly. A message will only bounce immediately if the domain does not exist (NXDOMAIN) or the remote SMTP server responds with a hard error code (5xx). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Sun Jun 6 21:29:31 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 Message-ID: Here is what my fstab file looks like LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat defaults,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 ~ ~ Does this help? I still can't figure out how to get it running. By the way when I load into my account I get an error that says I may not have permissions to use the cdrom. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Jun 7 03:30:56 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086459328.22043.1388.camel@lotsa> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> <20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net> <1086459328.22043.1388.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040607083056.GO30680@momentum.poptix.net> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 01:15:28PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > > Yes, but don't the root zone records expire just like other DNS > records? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'd really like to be sure I'm > understanding this correctly. > No, once a registrar pushes something into the 'root' zones, it stays there until removed. [snip redundant] > The root records have to expire at some point don't they? If not there > would be records floating around for every domain that was ever > registered directing traffic to old long deceased name servers. Am I > wrong? Only if the domain is still registered. Of course, there are still NS host records in the root zones that were invalid long ago, there have been a few attempts at cleaning them out, but it's a PITA. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 7 09:11:52 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1086229306.9603.473.camel@bigtime> <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040607141152.GK11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 7 09:14:49 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040607141449.GL11214@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 7 11:17:25 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <000c01c44caa$ebf0e1c0$321d590a@nic.target.com> Munir Nassar wrote: >> >> What is wrong with Register.com? I have used them for several years >> and 4 domains and have had absolutely no trouble with them. > > ever have a domain accidentally expire? No. > > if it happens they hold it ransom for a $200something "activation" > fee. > > this has never happened to me and i do not use them, but this fact > alone makes them very dangerous. You are the first I have heard about this. It doens't concern me as I don't let my domains expire if I don't want them too ;) Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jun 7 11:18:12 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com><40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <001101c44cab$07efef60$321d590a@nic.target.com> Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > I am surprised that none of you commenting run your own DNS - it's not > exactly brain science and then you hve no trouble with someone else > breaking. It brings lots of traffic and further, you need to run a separate server for your LAN if you don't want information about your LAN pulled by clients. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Mon Jun 7 11:32:23 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Strictly Business Expo In-Reply-To: <20040602160058.GA2808@fandre.com> References: <20040602160058.GA2808@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1086625943.1959.28.camel@localhost> Clay, If you are still in need of volunteers for the booth at the expo, I'm available both days. Just let me know when an extra person might be handy. Cheers, ~J On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 11:00, Clay Fandre wrote: > Just a reminder that the TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo > next week June 9th and 10th. We are in booth 535, so be sure to stop > by to say HI. I do have free tickets available for the Expo, and will > be giving them away at the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. > > If you are interested in helping out at the booth, let me know. All we > need is a couple of hours of your time to answer questions and explain > what the TCLUG is all about to those who stop by. I will create a > schedule in the next couple of days, so email me ASAP. (I know many of > you have already emailed me, but can you resend your preference of > date/time?) > > Thanks. > > -- Clay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jradocay at scholarshipamerica.org Mon Jun 7 13:58:14 2004 From: jradocay at scholarshipamerica.org (Jason Radocay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gigabit nic & fedora core 2 Message-ID: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Mon Jun 7 14:17:43 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gigabit nic & fedora core 2 In-Reply-To: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> References: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> Message-ID: <40C4BF57.8090700@cascopoint.com> Jason Radocay wrote: > Anybody have any recommendations for a gigabit nic that will play nice > with fedora core 2? > intel, or some broadcom tygon3 chipset, intel is cheaper. both are well behaved and well performing. > > Thanks, > Jason > jradocay@scholarshipamerica.org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 7 14:40:02 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gigabit nic & fedora core 2 In-Reply-To: <40C4BF57.8090700@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > intel, or some broadcom tygon3 chipset, intel is cheaper. both are well > behaved and well performing. Personally, I wouldn't willingly purchase a Tigon3 NIC, considering its (and Broadcom's) rocky history under Linux, and the general firmware bugginess I've heard so much about. I understand the tg3 driver is much happier these days than it used to be, though; a while back, I'm not sure you could have called it "well behaved" (yay, hard lockups!). I'd lean toward Intel. YMMV, though. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cddesjar at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 17:18:30 2004 From: cddesjar at hotmail.com (Chris Desjardins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 Message-ID: I have no idea...should I delete one? chris >From: Chad Walstrom >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:14:49 -0500 > >Chris Desjardins wrote: > > Here is what my fstab file looks like > > > > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults >1 1 > > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 >0 0 > > none /proc proc defaults >0 0 > > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults >0 0 > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat > > defaults,user,noauto 0 0 > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > ~ > > ~ > > > > > > Does this help? I still can't figure out how to get it running. By > > the way when I load into my account I get an error that says I may not > > have permissions to use the cdrom. > >Why do you have two cdrom entries? > >-- >Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ ><< signature.asc >> >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Mon Jun 7 18:51:24 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gigabit nic & fedora core 2 In-Reply-To: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> References: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> Message-ID: <1086652284.1959.38.camel@localhost> We have had excellant luck with Sysconnect nics, granted they start at like 400 bucks. CHeers, ~J On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 13:58, Jason Radocay wrote: > Anybody have any recommendations for a gigabit nic that will play nice > with fedora core 2? > > > Thanks, > Jason > jradocay@scholarshipamerica.org > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Jun 7 19:46:20 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <20040607083056.GO30680@momentum.poptix.net> References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> <20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net> <1086459328.22043.1388.camel@lotsa> <20040607083056.GO30680@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1086655579.22043.1392.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 03:30, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > No, once a registrar pushes something into the 'root' zones, it stays > there until removed. > > Only if the domain is still registered. Of course, there are still NS host > records in the root zones that were invalid long ago, there have been > a few attempts at cleaning them out, but it's a PITA. Thanks for setting me straight on this. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Mon Jun 7 22:11:23 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gigabit nic & fedora core 2 In-Reply-To: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> References: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056871@edinadc1.samn.local> Message-ID: <40C52E5B.2020506@cascopoint.com> Jason Radocay wrote: > Anybody have any recommendations for a gigabit nic that will play nice > with fedora core 2? > found this in my bookmarks, http://www.cs.uni.edu/~gray/gig-over-copper/ , has lot of info on probably all copper gig NIC manufacturers and linux, and quite usefull info about PCI 32bit vs 64 bit, probably is a bit out of date but is a good start. > > Thanks, > Jason > jradocay@scholarshipamerica.org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jun 8 10:16:19 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net><1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa><20040605143608.GN30680@momentum.poptix.net><1086459328.22043.1388.camel@lotsa> <20040607083056.GO30680@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <001e01c44d6b$8d4f9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > No, once a registrar pushes something into the 'root' zones, it stays > there until removed. It's not actually the root zone. The root zone is what the root name servers ([a-m].root-servers.net) serve. It only contains delegations and glue records for the top level domain (TLD) servers. Registrars update name servers records with a specific registry, who in turn updates the TLD zone. For example, the .com zone is served from [a-m].gtld-servers.net. (Note that this is glueless.) $ dnsq ns com d.root-servers.net 2 com: 453 bytes, 1+0+13+13 records, response, noerror query: 2 com authority: com 172800 NS a.gtld-servers.net authority: com 172800 NS g.gtld-servers.net authority: com 172800 NS h.gtld-servers.net ... $ dnsq ns google.com d.gtld-servers.net 2 google.com: 164 bytes, 1+4+0+4 records, response, noerror query: 2 google.com answer: google.com 172800 NS ns1.google.com answer: google.com 172800 NS ns2.google.com answer: google.com 172800 NS ns3.google.com answer: google.com 172800 NS ns4.google.com additional: ns1.google.com 172800 A 216.239.32.10 additional: ns2.google.com 172800 A 216.239.34.10 additional: ns3.google.com 172800 A 216.239.36.10 additional: ns4.google.com 172800 A 216.239.38.10 -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jun 8 10:20:37 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue><40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com><40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net><004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com><40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> <001101c44cab$07efef60$321d590a@nic.target.com> Message-ID: <004c01c44d6c$27080420$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas T. Veldhouse writes: > It brings lots of traffic and further, you need to run a separate > server for your LAN if you don't want information about your LAN > pulled by clients. Wrong. Both BIND 9 and tinydns support "split horizon" DNS, which allows you to serve different records to different clients. You do not need two separate servers. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Jun 8 11:48:19 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Strictly Business Expo In-Reply-To: <1086625943.1959.28.camel@localhost> References: <20040602160058.GA2808@fandre.com> <1086625943.1959.28.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040608164819.GC4752@fandre.com> Great. Here's the current schedule, but you are welcome to hang out during the other shifts too. I just wanted to get at least 2 people at the booth at all times. The Expo is 10-4 each day, but I added an hour for setup/cleanup. Wed 9am-1pm (and setup) Brian Dolan-Goecke Jack Ungerleider Wed 1pm-4pm Kyle Quamme "Kline, Jonathan" Thur 10am-1pm Brian Dolan-Goecke "John J. Trammell" Thur 1pm-5pm (and cleanup) Scot Jenkins Lorry Strother On Mon, 07 Jun 2004, Kline, Jonathan wrote: > Clay, > If you are still in need of volunteers for the booth at the expo, I'm > available both days. Just let me know when an extra person might be > handy. > > Cheers, > ~J > > On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 11:00, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Just a reminder that the TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo > > next week June 9th and 10th. We are in booth 535, so be sure to stop > > by to say HI. I do have free tickets available for the Expo, and will > > be giving them away at the TCLUG meeting this Saturday. > > > > If you are interested in helping out at the booth, let me know. All we > > need is a couple of hours of your time to answer questions and explain > > what the TCLUG is all about to those who stop by. I will create a > > schedule in the next couple of days, so email me ASAP. (I know many of > > you have already emailed me, but can you resend your preference of > > date/time?) > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- Clay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-announce mailing list > > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Jonathan Kline > Milwaukee School of Engineering > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 8 14:39:49 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best filesystem for a laptop In-Reply-To: <20040606203131.GA16245@refried.org> References: <20040601181931.2d9caa2b.ston0235@umn.edu> <008501c44be7$25df8270$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040606203131.GA16245@refried.org> Message-ID: <1086723589.9308.7.camel@bigtime> > Unless all of your desktop machines have UPSes, I'll have to call > bullshit on this one. Since laptops have their own batteries, they > don't have the power outage type shutdowns that desktops too. If your > suspending gives an unclean shutdown, then you're init scripts aren't > configured properly. What if you leave it in suspend too long and the battery dies? Not everyone has shiny new batteries... > It should definitely sync the hard drive before > suspending. Syncing the disk before suspend isn't the same thing as unmounting it cleanly. If the machine dies in suspend for whatever reason, you're still going to be sitting through a fsck on ext2 whether it was synced or not. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 8 14:55:54 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040607141449.GL11214@wookimus.net> References: <20040607141449.GL11214@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1086724553.9308.16.camel@bigtime> > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 ^^^^^ > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 ^^^^^ > > Why do you have two cdrom entries? Possibly because of kudzu? ;P Shouldn't hurt anything though. Question is Kudzu setting up the /dev/cdrom symlink properly... Personally I just 'chkconfig kudzu off' and be happy. ;P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From deschiff at winternet.com Tue Jun 8 15:39:17 2004 From: deschiff at winternet.com (David Schiff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086727156.5640.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have also have a Dell Inspiron (CDWR/DVD combo drive) running FC1. For what it's worth my /etc/fstab looks just like yours minus the /mnt/camera and the seconed CDROM entry. > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:18:30 -0700 > From: "Chris Desjardins" > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I have no idea...should I delete one? > chris > > > >From: Chad Walstrom > >Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CDROM problems Dell Inspiron 1100 Fedora Core 1.0 > >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:14:49 -0500 > > > >Chris Desjardins wrote: > > > Here is what my fstab file looks like > > > > > > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults > >1 1 > > > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 > >0 0 > > > none /proc proc defaults > >0 0 > > > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults > >0 0 > > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat > > > defaults,user,noauto 0 0 > > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 > > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > > ~ > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > Does this help? I still can't figure out how to get it running. By > > > the way when I load into my account I get an error that says I may not > > > have permissions to use the cdrom. > > > >Why do you have two cdrom entries? > > > >-- > >Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > ><< signature.asc >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 8 22:19:34 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <001e01c44d6b$8d4f9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040607083056.GO30680@momentum.poptix.net> <001e01c44d6b$8d4f9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040609031934.GQ30680@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:16:19AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > > No, once a registrar pushes something into the 'root' zones, it stays > > there until removed. > > It's not actually the root zone. The root zone is what the root name > servers ([a-m].root-servers.net) serve. It only contains delegations and > glue records for the top level domain (TLD) servers. Registrars update name > servers records with a specific registry, who in turn updates the TLD zone. > For example, the .com zone is served from [a-m].gtld-servers.net. (Note > that this is glueless.) See, I knew you would spit that back at me, which is why I said 'root zones'. The .com root zone, the .org root zone, the .net root zone, etc. Please stop being so damned pedantic, if I typed out everything in the detail necessary to satisfy you, I'd never finish an email. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 9 03:08:35 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware guidelines In-Reply-To: <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1086229306.9603.473.camel@bigtime> <008801c44be7$e462b820$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1086768490.9480.19.camel@bigtime> > > The real issue is reliability. A reasonable quality $600-$1000 desktop > > is probably fine for most small business. Backup to tape or a second > > hard drive. > > This is bad advice for an email server. With most mail severs, you cannot > reliably backup the queue or the mailstore, since the state is constantly > changing. The only freely available mail server that has built in > clustering is PowerMail (dbmail allows for clustering via the database). > The best way to backup a mail server is to use RAID. Any backup you have > will be way too old. I was kind of assuming RAID was implicit... > If users are storing mail on the server, as with IMAP, then it could be > prudent to backup the mailstore, but only as an emergency measure against > RAID failure. I only use IMAP anymore, so I wasn't thinking about POP. If you're not storing everyone's mail on the server, I can see how backing up the server would be somewhat useless. But then you get into can of worms of backing up the client machines. One good reason to store mail on the server in a business environment, is simplifying backups... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:24 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Compaq proliant 7000 Message-ID: Itching to learn more about linux on "server hardware". So I'm bidding on a Compaq Proliant 7000 with Quad Pentium II 200MHz processors, 640MB of RAM, and 11 18.2GB Wide Ultra SCSI hard drives. Am I in for a nightmare? or will this unit allow me to get a good taste for setting Linux up on hardware one might use in a production type environment? I've never dealt with SCSI drives, Raiding stuff, SMP > 2 cpu - not to mention anything that'd go in a rack - has multiple power supplies - hot swapping etc etc... Also - what would one expect to pay for a unit as described above? Thanks all... johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Wed Jun 9 09:37:20 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2004, Tom Penney wrote: > Not true. How does the world know where to find your DNS Servers? > answer: They check with your registrars DNS server for the ip ddress of > your dns servers. If the registrar goes down you are screwed, Period. Hmm - maybe I'm out of date here but, I was under the firm impression that, even today, every root nameserver contained the appropriate NS records for every domain within the TLDs they are authoritative for. Again, perhaps that is an antiquated view? The point being that the registrars NS is not interrogated unless they are listed as being the NS for that specific, registered domain. > I do have our own dns server running bind. I also have one at home. I'm > having trouble with running bind though NAT on my cisco 678. The cisco > rewrites the bind anser packets and I get traffic to my house intended > for our busness domains... (I've posted her with that problem before), > Also my home DNS goes down regularly. I moved DNS to the registrar > because I _ASS_umed that the registar would have better redundant > systems than we have... I would have made the same assumption! -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Jun 9 10:00:23 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Compaq proliant 7000 Message-ID: >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 06/09/04 09:36AM >>> >Itching to learn more about linux on "server hardware". So I'm bidding on >a Compaq Proliant 7000 with Quad Pentium II 200MHz processors, 640MB of >RAM, and 11 18.2GB Wide Ultra SCSI hard drives. Should be a nice setup. >Am I in for a nightmare? or will this unit allow me to get a good taste >for setting Linux up on hardware one might use in a production type >environment? I've never dealt with SCSI drives, Raiding stuff, SMP > 2 >cpu - not to mention anything that'd go in a rack - has multiple power >supplies - hot swapping etc etc... Make sure you get the Compaq SmartStart CD with the server. It will help you in the initial configuration of the hardware, and includes a RAID configuration utility for the Hardware RAID. Configure the RAID in hardware, rather than software. You will get better performance, and it will simplify your life. If you don't get one, let me know, I can probably provide it. SuSE since at least 8.1 works well with the Compaq servers. Anything more recent than a Compaq 3000 has installed without a hitch (for me). The 7000 is, I believe, a similar vintage so should be well supported. SCSI is not a big deal, particularly in a hot swap chassis, since termination and what not are handled automatically for you. You simply need to remember that the device naming scheme may be different for SCSI device vs. IDE. >Also - what would one expect to pay for a unit as described above? No idea, I get my stuff from work. >Thanks all... Welcome! >johnnyf Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Wed Jun 9 09:57:17 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <001101c44cab$07efef60$321d590a@nic.target.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > > I am surprised that none of you commenting run your own DNS - it's not > > exactly brain science and then you hve no trouble with someone else > > breaking. > > It brings lots of traffic and further, you need to run a separate server for > your LAN if you don't want information about your LAN pulled by clients. It can, of course. It all depends on what one is doing. As for the need to only publicise sanitised records to the world-at-large, that is correct. It is much easier to do today than in years gone by with BIND's config options allowing multiple, disparate views into the same namespace based on the client. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jun 9 10:40:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Compaq proliant 7000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086795615.40c72f5f5c5ba@my.visi.com> I have smartstart cd's What Raid Controller is in it? Are you sure this is a PII 200 and not a PII 400 or even Xion... or is it a Pentium Pro 2000? I know Red Hat has the SmartArray 2 drivers... Not sure of other distributions. Sam. Quoting Bruce Broecker : > >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 06/09/04 09:36AM >>> > >Itching to learn more about linux on "server hardware". So I'm bidding on > >a Compaq Proliant 7000 with Quad Pentium II 200MHz processors, 640MB of > >RAM, and 11 18.2GB Wide Ultra SCSI hard drives. > > Should be a nice setup. > > >Am I in for a nightmare? or will this unit allow me to get a good taste > >for setting Linux up on hardware one might use in a production type > >environment? I've never dealt with SCSI drives, Raiding stuff, SMP > 2 > >cpu - not to mention anything that'd go in a rack - has multiple power > >supplies - hot swapping etc etc... > > Make sure you get the Compaq SmartStart CD with the server. It will > help you in the initial configuration of the hardware, and includes a RAID > configuration utility for the Hardware RAID. Configure the RAID in hardware, > rather than software. You will get better performance, and it will simplify > your life. If you don't get one, let me know, I can probably provide it. > > SuSE since at least 8.1 works well with the Compaq servers. Anything more > recent than a Compaq 3000 has installed without a hitch (for me). The 7000 > is, I believe, a similar vintage so should be well supported. > > SCSI is not a big deal, particularly in a hot swap chassis, since termination > and > what not are handled automatically for you. You simply need to remember that > the device naming scheme may be different for SCSI device vs. IDE. > > >Also - what would one expect to pay for a unit as described above? > > No idea, I get my stuff from work. > > >Thanks all... > > Welcome! > > >johnnyf > > Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Jun 9 11:19:38 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: <1086795615.40c72f5f5c5ba@my.visi.com> Message-ID: I've got a server that says the following when I restart networking...(note the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) Yet, the /etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: Where else might the disabling be coming from? NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME=vip-glas GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 GATEWAYDEV=eth0 FORWARD_IPV4=yes Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Jun 9 11:20:31 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on a Compaq proliant 7000 In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:36:24AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040609112031.B12876@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Itching to learn more about linux on "server hardware". So I'm bidding on > a Compaq Proliant 7000 with Quad Pentium II 200MHz processors, 640MB of > RAM, and 11 18.2GB Wide Ultra SCSI hard drives. This shouldn't be a problem. Basically it's an oversized PC with the nice features of RAID and redundant power supplies, etc. Put it in your basement, add a little duct work and you can heat your house in the winter. The one we had was loud and all those SCSI drives produce a lot of heat. It looks impressive though. The last place I worked we ran RedHat 7.x on our 7000. I think we had Slackware 8 or 9 on it at one time too. The big thing (as was already mentioned) is setting up the RAID via the Compaq Smartstart CD before you install the OS. I have some older Smartstart CD's if you need them. Once you have the RAID array setup, the OS install is pretty typical. Run fdisk, but with the RAID, the devices show up as /dev/ida/c0d0 or something like that. My point is that they're not normal scsi devices like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc. The "ida" or whatever it's named is for the raid controller. You should be able to tell what this is by running 'dmesg' or watching the bootup messages. I seem to remember the box being picky about what nic you used. The built in one used the "thunderlan" driver but we generally just put an Intel PCI card (eepro) in the box and ran off that. Very solid and reliable hardware. Of course our developer were always crashing it with Java but that's another story... > Also - what would one expect to pay for a unit as described above? I'm guessing $500-$800 given that prices have dropped so much but I really don't know. Try searching "completed" auctions on ebay for this item? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Jun 9 11:25:52 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shoot, forgot to mention this is RH9 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:20 AM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? I've got a server that says the following when I restart networking...(note the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) Yet, the /etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: Where else might the disabling be coming from? NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME=vip-glas GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 GATEWAYDEV=eth0 FORWARD_IPV4=yes Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Wed Jun 9 11:40:07 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C73D67.7020702@cascopoint.com> Christopher wrote: >I've got a server that says the following when I restart networking...(note >the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) >Yet, the /etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: >Where else might the disabling be coming from? > > > this could be a script bug, you can verify the forwarding itself: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward if it is 1 it is enabled, if it is 0 then not >NETWORKING=yes >HOSTNAME=vip-glas >GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 >GATEWAYDEV=eth0 >FORWARD_IPV4=yes > > > >Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] >Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] >Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] >Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] >Setting network parameters: [ OK ] >Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] >Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] >Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] > >TIA, >Chris > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Jun 9 11:52:07 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406091152.07849.barnabas@knicknack.net> I'm not sure what distros this applies to, but it looks like you might be using a Redhat variant. On my system, the controlling variable is in /etc/sysctl.conf. Mine looks like # Controls IP packet forwarding net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 HTH, Eric On Wednesday 09 June 2004 11:19, Christopher wrote: > I've got a server that says the following when I restart networking...(note > the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) > Yet, the /etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: > Where else might the disabling be coming from? > > NETWORKING=yes > HOSTNAME=vip-glas > GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 > GATEWAYDEV=eth0 > FORWARD_IPV4=yes > > > > Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] > Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] > Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] > Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] > Setting network parameters: [ OK ] > Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] > Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] > Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] > > TIA, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed Jun 9 11:50:40 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: <40C73D67.7020702@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: Thanks.. I wonder why it says that.. Either way it isn't disabled.. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Anton Yurchenko Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:40 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? Christopher wrote: >I've got a server that says the following when I restart >networking...(note the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) Yet, the >/etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: >Where else might the disabling be coming from? > > > this could be a script bug, you can verify the forwarding itself: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward if it is 1 it is enabled, if it is 0 then not >NETWORKING=yes >HOSTNAME=vip-glas >GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 >GATEWAYDEV=eth0 >FORWARD_IPV4=yes > > > >Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] >Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] >Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] >Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] >Setting network parameters: [ OK ] >Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] >Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] >Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] > >TIA, >Chris > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test >TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for >TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Jun 9 11:43:30 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ipv4 forwarding not working? In-Reply-To: ; from christopher@7penguins.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:19:38AM -0500 References: <1086795615.40c72f5f5c5ba@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20040609114330.C12876@thinkunix.net> Christopher wrote: > I've got a server that says the following when I restart networking...(note > the dsabling IPv4 forwarding) > Yet, the /etc/sysconfig/network reads as follows: > Where else might the disabling be coming from? > > NETWORKING=yes > HOSTNAME=vip-glas > GATEWAY=83.104.80.253 > GATEWAYDEV=eth0 > FORWARD_IPV4=yes > > Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] what does `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` show? 0 = forwarding disabled 1 = forwarding enabled maybe a bug in the init script? to find which one: cd /etc/rc.d/init.d grep 'isabl' * it's in "network" on an older RH box. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 9 13:24:25 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: References: <1086399965.22043.363.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040609182425.GS30680@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:37:20AM -0500, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > On 4 Jun 2004, Tom Penney wrote: > > Not true. How does the world know where to find your DNS Servers? > > answer: They check with your registrars DNS server for the ip ddress of > > your dns servers. If the registrar goes down you are screwed, Period. > > Hmm - maybe I'm out of date here but, I was under the firm impression > that, even today, every root nameserver contained the appropriate NS > records for every domain within the TLDs they are authoritative for. > Again, perhaps that is an antiquated view? The point being that the > registrars NS is not interrogated unless they are listed as being the NS > for that specific, registered domain. You fail to understand. THE REGISTRARS HAVE NO AUTHORITATIVE NAMESERVERS FOR THE TLD'S THEY SELL. A domain, when "sold", is simply a couple (or more) NS records pushed into the root zone for that TLD. If you buy foobar.org, the registrar tells ultraDNS (the maintainers of the .org zone) to add NS records for foobar.org to point to your name servers. (foobar.org. IN NS ns1.foobar.org.)) If the nameservers you specified do not already exist, they are created in the appropriate root TLD zone file as A records (ns1.foobar.org. IN A 1.2.3.4) Both of you seem to be confusing the global domain system with registrars that offer to run DNS for you (free or charge). Obviously if they are hosting your zone (foobar.org) and they go down, your DNS will stop working. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 9 14:36:06 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: References: <000801c44992$4023aff0$f2a962d1@blue> <40BF654B.8020106@tc-tech.com> <40BF6CA4.9050806@redconcepts.net> <004101c44a63$c4c9be30$321d590a@nic.target.com> <40C0C6A5.70001@redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <1086809765.9480.41.camel@bigtime> Note, I've been using dotster for a few years and they're really really picky now. Say your domain was 'foo.com', their configuration tool will not allow you to add 'ns.bar.com' as a domain server unless 'ns.bar.com' is also listed as a domain server for the 'bar.com' domain. Also note it won't actually tell you anything about this, it will just reject your edit with no explanation leaving you wondering why entries that have been there for years are now being rejected. Are any other registrars doing this too? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jun 9 14:46:50 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated rumpelstiltskin spam blacklist? In-Reply-To: <002201c4459c$dcb63580$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1085727509.10901.76.camel@bigtime> <002201c4459c$dcb63580$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1086810410.9480.53.camel@bigtime> > No. It would be trivial to cause an innocent system to be listed. Hmmm, true. Would limit its usefulness on a large scale. Still, the idea is to not depend solely on this list but weight it against other factors, like within spamassassin... I'd put in a somewhat short expiry period. I have a theory that many of the machines doing the rumpelstiltskin spamming are hacked zombie windurrr machines. A useful list of confirmed email addresses would be rather large and not lend itself well to packing inside a trojan/worm, a list of common names and some domains would be much smaller... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Wed Jun 9 15:23:30 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Registrar / DNS Down - Help In-Reply-To: <20040609182425.GS30680@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > You fail to understand. THE REGISTRARS HAVE NO AUTHORITATIVE NAMESERVERS > FOR THE TLD'S THEY SELL. Matthew - as it happens I DO understand. And that was my point. If you host your own DNS, and the registrar that you happened to register with goes belly-up, then you should be fine as the root nameservers will still have the NS records pointing at your own nameservers. > > A domain, when "sold", is simply a couple (or more) NS records pushed into > the root zone for that TLD. right. [snip] > Both of you seem to be confusing the global domain system with registrars > that offer to run DNS for you (free or charge). Obviously if they are > hosting your zone (foobar.org) and they go down, your DNS will stop working. No, I was not confised about the difference, and distinction between the two. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 10 09:24:09 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] glibc-debug rpm RH 7.x ia64 Message-ID: Hi, Is there an glibc-debug rpm for ia64 machines? I am running RH 7.x. I tried googling but couldnt find it. Thanks Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jun 10 10:45:42 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406101545.i5AFjgO15506@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Huge Computer Garage Sale - June 10th-12th over 50 computers priced between 30 and 50$. Pentium 200 and up. Ram. Lots of peripherals. Must see!! Childrens and Adult clothes too. CDROM drives. 18165 83rd Avenue North Maple Grove MN 55311 Seller Email address: howlingtalons at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jun 10 11:58:54 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200406101545.i5AFjgO15506@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: I tried to send you a question, but my mail bounced...maybe the e-mail address is misspelled? Anyway, What are the hours of the garage sale? Thanks! On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > Subject: Huge Computer Garage Sale - June 10th-12th > Seller Email address: howlingtalons at hotmail dot com -- Justin Kremer "I wonder if I can shave my toilet put a CF widebody kit on and get Paddle Flush on there" - Doug talking about taking modding to the extreme _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Thu Jun 10 20:37:51 2004 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200406101545.i5AFjgO15506@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200406101545.i5AFjgO15506@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040610203751.7f8b1b19.crc1021@myrealbox.com> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:42 -0500 TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > over 50 computers priced between 30 and 50$. Pentium 200 and up. Ram. Lots of peripherals. Must see!! laptops or just desktops? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Jun 10 22:31:47 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stream ripper tool? Message-ID: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> Hi all, The UEFA cup (european soccer championship) is about to start, so I purchased a real.com pass to watch it. But I`d like to maybe save some matches for later. Is there stream ripper that supports authentication, or some way to work with real.com , or can catch the stream in promiscuos mode from the network? I`d run a player in vmware and at the same time save it under linux. Or is there a windows( gosh no!! :) ) tool to do that? thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Jun 10 23:07:42 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stream ripper tool? In-Reply-To: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> References: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <282171938.20040610230742@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, June 10, 2004 @ 11:07:21 PM Central Standard Time Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Thursday, June 10, 2004, 10:31:47 PM, you wrote: AY> Hi all, AY> The UEFA cup (european soccer championship) is about to start, so I AY> purchased a real.com pass to watch it. But I`d like to maybe save some AY> matches for later. Is there stream ripper that supports authentication, AY> or some way to work with real.com , or can catch the stream in AY> promiscuos mode from the network? I`d run a player in vmware and at the AY> same time save it under linux. Or is there a windows( gosh no!! :) ) AY> tool to do that? Here are a few links that may help you on your way. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Jun 10 23:14:13 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stream ripper tool? In-Reply-To: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> References: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <985171151.20040610231413@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, June 10, 2004 @ 11:08:08 PM Central Standard Time AY> Hi all, AY> The UEFA cup (european soccer championship) is about to start, so I AY> purchased a real.com pass to watch it. But I`d like to maybe save some AY> matches for later. Is there stream ripper that supports authentication, AY> or some way to work with real.com , or can catch the stream in AY> promiscuos mode from the network? I`d run a player in vmware and at the AY> same time save it under linux. Or is there a windows( gosh no!! :) ) AY> tool to do that? http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/record-streaming-video-windows-media-and-real-video.htm http://emoney.al.ru/capture-streaming-video-and-audio/ Hope that helps. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jun 10 23:39:16 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters (Raq4/Debian)? Message-ID: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Hi, I have this doofy Cobalt Raq4 hand-me-down that I managed to get to run Debian woody (what a huge pain, but it works). Currently my kernel is 2.4.20. I just bought at 250 GB IDE hard drive as this is my backup "server" but when booting with the new drive the kernel hangs during the Partition Check. Investigation on google says that this can be averted using ide=nodma as a kernel boot parameter. Ok, so this Cobalt thing doesn't use lilo/silo/grub whatever, it uses a special BIOS that ignores the MBR and just loads the kernel at bootup without the option to pass any boot parameters except through the Cobalt ROM boot menu (set_params "ide=nodma" - which does indeed solve the hang), but that setting doesn't stick so it has to be done EVERY TIME the machine is booted and since it's headless I'd need to have a serial line connected to this dang thing all the time. So, I was thinking of re-building the kernel, which I've done a few times, but I do not know is there a way to build the kernel and have it always load with a set of custom boot parameters? Remember - no lilo/grub etc. - just loads the kernel. Or I suppose I could recompile the kernel w/o IDE DMA? I wonder how this thing would handle 2.6.x? Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 11 07:14:36 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stream ripper tool? In-Reply-To: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> References: <40C927A3.3040808@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <20040611121436.GB25515@fandre.com> I use mencoder for saving all my mms/rtsp streams. It's part of mplayer. On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > Hi all, > > The UEFA cup (european soccer championship) is about to start, so I > purchased a real.com pass to watch it. But I`d like to maybe save some > matches for later. Is there stream ripper that supports authentication, > or some way to work with real.com , or can catch the stream in > promiscuos mode from the network? I`d run a player in vmware and at the > same time save it under linux. Or is there a windows( gosh no!! :) ) > tool to do that? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crspam at comcast.net Fri Jun 11 07:48:39 2004 From: crspam at comcast.net (chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql command prompt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C9AA27.5020603@comcast.net> does anyone know if it is possible to setup a custom command prompt in mysql? like how you can with the PS1 and PS2 on the linux command prompt... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jun 11 08:09:22 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql command prompt In-Reply-To: <40C9AA27.5020603@comcast.net> References: <40C9AA27.5020603@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040611130922.GA6767@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 07:48:39AM -0500, chuck wrote: > does anyone know if it is possible to setup a custom command prompt in > mysql? like how you can with the PS1 and PS2 on the linux command > prompt... > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/mysql_Commands.html -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 11 09:37:42 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters (Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040611143742.GB5878@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 11 09:41:26 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters (Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040611144126.GC5878@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 11 10:00:54 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters (Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: <20040611144126.GC5878@wookimus.net> References: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <20040611144126.GC5878@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040611100054.0000564f@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:41:26 -0500 Chad Walstrom wrote: > I can't find any reference to the /proc file I was thinking about, > and in fact, I may be confusing this with the rdev program. rdev > changes certain default values for kernel settings, but it doesn't > cover ALL settings. Read the rdev manpage for more info, but I > think you'll be stuck recompiling your kernel anyway. Yeah, I think I'm going to try to build 2.4.26 with DMA since I think I read somewhere that 2.4.20 had some IDE DMA issues. I'd certainly like to do this as having DMA off certainly makes disk access a little more sluggish. I might also try 2.6.6 and see if the Cobalt ROM will load it. If both of those fail I'll build 2.4.26 without DMA and deal with it. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Jun 11 09:27:07 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters(Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: <20040611144126.GC5878@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Perhaps you're thinking of sysctl (/etc/sysctl.conf on some systems I've seen) > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:41 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot > parameters(Raq4/Debian)? > > I can't find any reference to the /proc file I was thinking > about, and in fact, I may be confusing this with the rdev > program. rdev changes certain default values for kernel > settings, but it doesn't cover ALL settings. Read the rdev > manpage for more info, but I think you'll be stuck > recompiling your kernel anyway. > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 11 12:05:52 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters(Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: References: <20040611144126.GC5878@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040611120552.00004b7a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:27:07 -0500 "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > Perhaps you're thinking of sysctl (/etc/sysctl.conf on some systems > I've seen) Interesting. Not sure if this be used to set a boot parameter though? /etc/sysctl.conf: kernel.ide=nodma Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Jun 12 11:33:18 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: That garage sale in MG Message-ID: I deleted the original post, or I would reply to it, but it's still in the classifieds. I just stopped by and left with my wallet a little lighter and my car a lot heavier. He told me I'm the first to respond to the TCLUG classified. If you're anywhere nearby, check it out. There are quite a few systems in the P2-lower P3 range and they're all under $100 for a complete system. Lots of bits and pieces, too. -- Justin Kremer "I wonder if I can shave my toilet put a CF widebody kit on and get Paddle Flush on there" - Doug talking about taking modding to the extreme _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Jun 12 19:20:28 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Re-compile with custom boot parameters (Raq4/Debian)? In-Reply-To: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040610233916.4d82dddf@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040612192028.0d1b075b@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> For those that are unable to sleep until this issue is resolved, the 2.4.26 kernel build (with IDE DMA) seemed to clear up this issue. :) Thanks, Josh On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:39:16 -0500 Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi, > > I have this doofy Cobalt Raq4 hand-me-down that I managed to get to > run Debian woody (what a huge pain, but it works). Currently my > kernel is 2.4.20. > > I just bought at 250 GB IDE hard drive as this is my backup "server" > but when booting with the new drive the kernel hangs during the > Partition Check. Investigation on google says that this can be > averted using ide=nodma as a kernel boot parameter. > > Ok, so this Cobalt thing doesn't use lilo/silo/grub whatever, it > uses a special BIOS that ignores the MBR and just loads the kernel > at bootup without the option to pass any boot parameters except > through the Cobalt ROM boot menu (set_params "ide=nodma" - which > does indeed solve the hang), but that setting doesn't stick so it > has to be done EVERY TIME the machine is booted and since it's > headless I'd need to have a serial line connected to this dang thing > all the time. > > So, I was thinking of re-building the kernel, which I've done a few > times, but I do not know is there a way to build the kernel and have > it always load with a set of custom boot parameters? Remember - no > lilo/grub etc. - just loads the kernel. Or I suppose I could > recompile the kernel w/o IDE DMA? I wonder how this thing would > handle 2.6.x? > > Thx, > > Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 15 06:32:01 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Coming soon to an ISP near you Message-ID: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63800,00.html Particularly disturbing: "Under the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II provisions passed in the Intelligence Authorization Act last year, the FBI doesn't need a court order or probable cause to obtain the transaction records for patrons of libraries, Internet service providers, telephone companies, casinos, travel agents, jewelers, car dealers or other businesses. The FBI can simply draft a "national security letter" stating records are needed for a national security investigation, without being specific about the data being sought or the people being investigated. A nondisclosure provision prevents the letter recipient from telling anyone about it, including patrons whose records may be investigated. " Once again, our wonderful "representatives" are at work, slipping tidbits of legislation into bills that have nothing in common. Write/Call/Fax/Email the appropriate government officials for your locale. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Jun 15 06:48:31 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Coming soon to an ISP near you In-Reply-To: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> References: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040615114831.GA3041@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Jun 15, 2004), Matthew S. Hallacy was madly tapping out: > http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63800,00.html > > Particularly disturbing: > > "Under the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II provisions passed in the > Intelligence Authorization Act last year, the FBI doesn't need a > court order or probable cause to obtain the transaction records for > patrons of libraries, Internet service providers, telephone > companies, casinos, travel agents, jewelers, car dealers or other > businesses. > > The FBI can simply draft a "national security letter" stating > records are needed for a national security investigation, without > being specific about the data being sought or the people being > investigated. A nondisclosure provision prevents the letter > recipient from telling anyone about it, including patrons whose > records may be investigated. " > > > Once again, our wonderful "representatives" are at work, slipping > tidbits of legislation into bills that have nothing in common. > > Write/Call/Fax/Email the appropriate government officials for your > locale. if you're interested in more information on this topic, i highly recommend checking out the work being done by the EFF[1]. they have an action center where you can quickly and easily contact the appropriate representatives with, what i have found to be, well written form letters and reasonable stances on topics of interest here. these folks do a lot of good work and are right up there w/{m,n}pr as far as charitable donation dollars well spent. { snipped - misc .signatures } references ---------- [1] http://www.eff.org -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Tue Jun 15 13:16:59 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: I have a WAN environment with the Main office having 5 or so servers, with 80+ remote servers ranging anywhere from 16 gig scsi's to 400+ gig RAID arrays, which are all connected back to us using OpenVPN. currently there are tapes on each site, and we are using the free version of Arkiea to run the backups.. I am considering moving to something that can more easily handle a central catalog and do "bare metal" restores.. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've spent hours pouring over fresmeat.net and sites like linuxbackup.org but it is pretty overwhelming. TIA, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jun 15 13:45:55 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040615184555.GF19638@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jun 15 14:00:19 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup suggestions? In-Reply-To: ; from christopher@7penguins.com on Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 01:16:59PM -0500 References: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040615140019.A6536@real-time.com> On 06/15 01:16 , Christopher wrote: > I have a WAN environment with the Main office having 5 or so servers, with > 80+ remote servers ranging anywhere from 16 gig scsi's to 400+ gig RAID > arrays, which are all connected back to us using OpenVPN. currently there > are tapes on each site, and we are using the free version of Arkiea to run > the backups.. I am considering moving to something that can more easily > handle a central catalog and do "bare metal" restores.. Does anyone have any > suggestions? I've spent hours pouring over fresmeat.net and sites like > linuxbackup.org but it is pretty overwhelming. BackupPC http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ uses rsync-over-ssh (among several options)so: - can backup over WAN links, only transferring the changes after the first time - goes nicely through firewalls (anywhere SSH can go) - can be secured very well (I use a special user with a command-limited DSA key + sudo, on the client side) also has a very nice web interface for restores; and authority to backup and restore certain systems can be delegated to certain users. bare-metal backups are doable by any admin who knows how to use tar + netcat/ssh to transfer a system from one box to another. individual-file backups can be done by users through the web interface. I don't enable the feature that lets you restore files directly back to the system they came from... partly for security reasons, and also because I want to make sure I *think* 2-3 times about what I'm doing before I clobber a file with a backup of that file. I encourage you to try it out, and join the mailing list. there's some good advice to be gained there, when it comes to scaling it out to large installations. (but I see no reason it couldn't handle 80 servers and a couple of TB of files backed up). -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eh at constantdata.com Tue Jun 15 14:12:29 2004 From: eh at constantdata.com (El Haddi.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup suggestions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: << I can't resist making a plugin for Constant Data's products >> Take a look at Constant Data's real time Linux data replication and backup consolidation solutions. You can use it to consolidate and backup in a single (or more) locations and do what you want with the data. You remove the backup window problem too. The name of the product you want is the Real Time "Constant Replicator" or "Constant Replicator / DB". The site is www.constantdata.com. You can get a free trial copy. Thank you. --elhaddi Constant Data, Hopkins, MN Helping customers with disaster avoidance and data migration to Linux. Q: What can Linux do for me ? A: Is your data important to you? On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Christopher wrote: > I have a WAN environment with the Main office having 5 or so servers, with > 80+ remote servers ranging anywhere from 16 gig scsi's to 400+ gig RAID > arrays, which are all connected back to us using OpenVPN. currently there > are tapes on each site, and we are using the free version of Arkiea to run > the backups.. I am considering moving to something that can more easily > handle a central catalog and do "bare metal" restores.. Does anyone have any > suggestions? I've spent hours pouring over fresmeat.net and sites like > linuxbackup.org but it is pretty overwhelming. > > TIA, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Jun 15 14:24:02 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup suggestions? References: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> <20040615140019.A6536@real-time.com> Message-ID: <0c9601c4530e$5115fea0$4bae6742@DELL2> > On 06/15 01:16 , Christopher wrote: > > I have a WAN environment with the Main office having 5 or so servers, with > > 80+ remote servers ranging anywhere from 16 gig scsi's to 400+ gig RAID > > arrays, which are all connected back to us using OpenVPN. currently there > > are tapes on each site, and we are using the free version of Arkiea to run > > the backups.. I am considering moving to something that can more easily > > handle a central catalog and do "bare metal" restores.. Does anyone have any > > suggestions? I've spent hours pouring over fresmeat.net and sites like > > linuxbackup.org but it is pretty overwhelming. I have been using bacula http://bacula.org works across networks. Stores on drives or tapes. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jun 16 00:01:09 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1085802811.7984.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <4098F36D.1020208@igi.com> <1085802811.7984.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040616050109.GA12910@mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From minnesotan at runbox.com Wed Jun 16 12:25:05 2004 From: minnesotan at runbox.com (Randy Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Coming soon to an ISP near you In-Reply-To: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> References: <20040615113201.GF27456@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <40D08271.4090607@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63800,00.html > > Particularly disturbing: > > "Under the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II provisions passed in the Intelligence Authorization Act last year, the FBI doesn't need a court order or probable cause to obtain the transaction records for patrons of libraries, Internet service providers, telephone companies, casinos, travel agents, jewelers, car dealers or other businesses. > > The FBI can simply draft a "national security letter" stating records are needed for a national security investigation, without being specific about the data being sought or the people being investigated. A nondisclosure provision prevents the letter recipient from telling anyone about it, including patrons whose records may be investigated. " > > > Once again, our wonderful "representatives" are at work, slipping tidbits > of legislation into bills that have nothing in common. > > Write/Call/Fax/Email the appropriate government officials for your locale. > You may wonder why your elected reps support this. There's only a electoral downside for them if they oppose it, and then a new terrorist incident happens. There's no popularity downside to giving more power to the FBI. America, as a whole, trusts the FBI. Look at all the second-guessing and finger-pointing that's coming from the "9/11 Commission" currently. People are in the most trouble now for NOT snooping enough--not connecting the dots. As a rule, politicians only get punished for not being aggressive enough previously--after something bad happens. And, crime is never static. If the FBI taps a terrorist's phone, the terrorist can switch to "Voice Over IP" or something that's not currently covered by the wiretap law. There's not much written on the pro side, on the net, but here are a couple items (about the original P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act) found with a google groups search, not totally negative: http://tinyurl.com/2lc7t http://tinyurl.com/ywrbw Randy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA0IJnpt7MVOKb6kYRAoH+AKDbSIHNa33WbcJr2JYWa93axlByyACePKI+ dPns9+lvWDR7zs3/3urZfLo= =6PXh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Jun 16 15:46:35 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command Message-ID: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 16 16:28:35 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I am trying to set up my firewall such that students can come in from > the outside world with ssh directly to a Linux box behind the firewall. > I did a quick search and hoped I would come up with the proper iptables > command to allow the ssh through a particular port to be passed directly > to the machine behind the firewall. > > Below I have listed the iptables command ... it tells me that there is > "no chain/target/match by that name" Suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. (obviously it does not work) > > iptables command > > $IPT -A PREROUTING -p TCP -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ > --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 Add '-t nat' to get to the proper table. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Wed Jun 16 16:26:02 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <40D0BAEA.5030803@cascopoint.com> Randy Clarksean wrote: > I am trying to set up my firewall such that students can come in from > the outside world with ssh directly to a Linux box behind the > firewall. I did a quick search and hoped I would come up with the > proper iptables command to allow the ssh through a particular port to > be passed directly to the machine behind the firewall. > > Below I have listed the iptables command ... it tells me that there is > "no chain/target/match by that name" > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (obviously it does not work) > > > > iptables command > > $IPT -A PREROUTING -p TCP -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ > --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > the PREROUTING chain is in the nat table in iptables. this should look like this(also I`m not shure that -p is case insensetive, so I changed this to lower ): $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > > > Randy > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jun 16 17:32:47 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20040616223247.161334d9@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:46:35 -0500 "Randy Clarksean" wrote: > I am trying to set up my firewall such that students can come in from the outside world with ssh directly to a Linux box behind the firewall. I did a quick search and hoped I would come up with the proper iptables command to allow the ssh through a particular port to be passed directly to the machine behind the firewall. > > Below I have listed the iptables command ... it tells me that there is "no chain/target/match by that name" > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (obviously it does not work) I do this EXACT same thing for the class I teach as well. Contact me off-list and I'll share my iptables script - too lazy to look it up right now. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skriefal at visi.com Wed Jun 16 18:50:04 2004 From: skriefal at visi.com (Scott Kriefall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find Cisco 677 CBOS download? (old version) Message-ID: <40D0965C.12075.271530@localhost> I have access to an old Cisco 677 DSL modem, with v2.1.0 of CBOS installed. I'd like to upgrade the CBOS firmware to something a bit less ancient. I've found a web site with various versions of CBOS available for download for the 675/677 modems: http://home.fuse.net/postyware/ According to their download page, modems with 2.1.0 must first be upgraded to 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 before they can be upgraded to newer CBOS revisions. The problem: I've been unable to locate a 677 version of the CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 firmware. The Postyware web site linked above has those CBOS revisions for the 675, but not the 677. Searches via Google and elsewhere have come up empty. Does anyone still have a copy of CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 for the Cisco 677, or know where I might be able to download it? Scott skriefal@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jun 16 19:22:32 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406170022.i5H0MWH20410@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: dell optiplex helo- i have 4 dell optiplex gx1 desktops with the follow configs: (1) p3 500, 10gb hdd, 192mb pc100 3dimms (full) (3) p3 500 13.7gb hdd, 192mb pc100 3dimms (full) $60 apiece or B.O. Seller Email address: lombardo at evilcricket dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jun 16 22:35:43 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find Cisco 677 CBOS download? (old version) In-Reply-To: <40D0965C.12075.271530@localhost> References: <40D0965C.12075.271530@localhost> Message-ID: <40D1118F.1010907@visi.com> Um... you must want the CBOS for a Cisco 678. I have had a 675 and now have a 678, I've not heard of a 677. I just upgraded my DSL connection from the standard (640 down / 256 up) to (1.5 down / 1 up) I have but one thing to say "OMG IT'S FAST". It didn't cost me any more per month for VISI or Qwest. Sam. Scott Kriefall wrote: >I have access to an old Cisco 677 DSL modem, with v2.1.0 of CBOS installed. I'd >like to upgrade the CBOS firmware to something a bit less ancient. I've found a web >site with various versions of CBOS available for download for the 675/677 modems: > >http://home.fuse.net/postyware/ > >According to their download page, modems with 2.1.0 must first be upgraded to >2.2.0 or 2.3.5 before they can be upgraded to newer CBOS revisions. The problem: >I've been unable to locate a 677 version of the CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 firmware. The >Postyware web site linked above has those CBOS revisions for the 675, but not the >677. Searches via Google and elsewhere have come up empty. > >Does anyone still have a copy of CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 for the Cisco 677, or know >where I might be able to download it? > >Scott >skriefal@visi.com > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skriefal at visi.com Wed Jun 16 23:19:26 2004 From: skriefal at visi.com (Scott Kriefall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Where to find Cisco 677 CBOS download? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40D0D57E.27603.11DB04A@localhost> On 16 Jun 2004 at 21:35, smac@visi.com wrote: > >Does anyone still have a copy of CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 for the Cisco 677, or know > >where I might be able to download it? > > Um... you must want the CBOS for a Cisco 678. I have had a 675 and now > have a 678, I've not heard of a 677. It's a Cisco 677. The 675 is CAP-only, the 677 is DMT-only. The 678 supports both CAP and DMT. The 677 and 678 will both work with Qwest-based DSL services. This is an extra modem that would be nice to have available as a backup. It might even have some resale value if a newer CBOS version could be loaded. Scott _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From superbeast at evilcricket.com Thu Jun 17 07:44:47 2004 From: superbeast at evilcricket.com (superbeast) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server Message-ID: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> Hello- I am building a file server for a small company. There are only about 5 users but they are transferring very large files to and from their workstations. Here are some of my ideas I would like to get opinions on: 1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would get the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are alot of arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the controller anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? 2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need 5 days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a disaster situation. Any other thoughts? 3. What kind of power supply(s) am I going to need in this machine in order to support 8 hdds? I want to buy this stuff from nanosystems, so if you know of a particular case that would suit this need I would like to know also. 4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb for between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? Thanks for any input. Kevin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Thu Jun 17 10:25:02 2004 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server In-Reply-To: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> References: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> Message-ID: <200406171025.02186.scheides@iexposure.com> Don't rely on the raid to protect you, always use some sort of backup that is not on the machine you're backing up. It'll be fine until the day your raid array crashes and *everything* is gone. Go for the 3ware controller, unless you're worried about cost. Get a beefy power supply (400w, redundant if you can afford it). -scheides On Thursday 17 June 2004 7:44 am, superbeast wrote: > Hello- > > I am building a file server for a small company. There are only about 5 > users but they are transferring very large files to and from their > workstations. Here are some of my ideas I would like to get opinions on: > > 1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would get > the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are alot of > arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the controller > anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? > > 2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than > tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need 5 > days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a disaster > situation. Any other thoughts? > > 3. What kind of power supply(s) am I going to need in this machine in > order to support 8 hdds? I want to buy this stuff from nanosystems, so > if you know of a particular case that would suit this need I would like > to know also. > > 4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb for > between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? > > Thanks for any input. > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 17 10:34:20 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server In-Reply-To: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> References: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> Message-ID: <20040617153420.GA21036@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Jun 17 10:37:20 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD6B6826@owa.compellent.com> Be aware of the RAID 5 Write Performance Hit. I'd use an LVM + RAID 10 Setup. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chris Scheidecker Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:25 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] building a file server Don't rely on the raid to protect you, always use some sort of backup that is not on the machine you're backing up. It'll be fine until the day your raid array crashes and *everything* is gone. Go for the 3ware controller, unless you're worried about cost. Get a beefy power supply (400w, redundant if you can afford it). -scheides On Thursday 17 June 2004 7:44 am, superbeast wrote: > Hello- > > I am building a file server for a small company. There are only about 5 > users but they are transferring very large files to and from their > workstations. Here are some of my ideas I would like to get opinions on: > > 1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would get > the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are alot of > arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the controller > anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? > > 2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than > tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need 5 > days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a disaster > situation. Any other thoughts? > > 3. What kind of power supply(s) am I going to need in this machine in > order to support 8 hdds? I want to buy this stuff from nanosystems, so > if you know of a particular case that would suit this need I would like > to know also. > > 4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb for > between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? > > Thanks for any input. > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jun 17 10:40:15 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server References: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> Message-ID: <001901c45481$62838f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> superbeast writes: > 1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would > get the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are > alot of arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the > controller anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? Hardware RAID is much better. There are many advantages to having it separate from the OS. One of them being you can boot from it. > 2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than > tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need > 5 days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a > disaster situation. Any other thoughts? Backing up to IDE HDs is almost always the cheapest solution. Backing up to the same RAID array will protect you from accidental deletions, etc., but not from the entire array being corrupted (unlikely, but possible). > 4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb > for between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? Nope. The company I work for has built several like that recently. They work quite well. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jun 17 11:10:02 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server In-Reply-To: <001901c45481$62838f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1087476286.3241.21.camel@isis.deluxe.com> <001901c45481$62838f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <40D1C25A.7020004@structural-wood.com> David Phillips wrote: > superbeast writes: > >>1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would >>get the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are >>alot of arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the >>controller anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? > > > Hardware RAID is much better. There are many advantages to having it > separate from the OS. One of them being you can boot from it. > > >>2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than >>tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need >>5 days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a >>disaster situation. Any other thoughts? > > > Backing up to IDE HDs is almost always the cheapest solution. Backing up to > the same RAID array will protect you from accidental deletions, etc., but > not from the entire array being corrupted (unlikely, but possible). > > >>4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb >>for between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? > > > Nope. The company I work for has built several like that recently. They > work quite well. > I agree that your thinking is pretty correct. I would recommend some sort of off machine backup - if you are looking for cheap and easy it's hard to beat a cheapo ($250) computer with a big humpin hard drive located as far away from the server as possible (backup over a network link). Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jun 17 11:41:42 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:44:47 -0500 > From: superbeast > 1. I was thinking about going with 8 200gb SATA hdd. I guess I would get > the 3Ware 8-port SATA controller and use hw raid 5. There are alot of > arguments about using sw vs. hw raid, but I think I need the controller > anyways just to support 8 drives in one box. Is that right? Hardware RAID is good. Bootable. Reconstructs data while being used. No fuss. > 2.I'm thinking about performing daily backups to the hdd rather than > tape. The raid will protect them from hdd failure, and they only need 5 > days worth of backups. I think the only problem would be with a disaster > situation. Any other thoughts? If the system is critical, then you have to be able to bounce back from any single failure within some short time, depending on your budget. That single failure can be a hard drive, power supply, RAID controller or storage box CPU, motherboard or tape drive. Have spares on hand. $2k sitting on the shelf is good insurnace against a day of lost work to many companies. > 3. What kind of power supply(s) am I going to need in this machine in > order to support 8 hdds? I want to buy this stuff from nanosystems, so > if you know of a particular case that would suit this need I would like > to know also. Many server boxes can accept redundant power supplies. I like IBM hardware for servers, but it's not on a retail shelf. > 4. It seems to me that I could build a decent file server with 1.2tb for > between $3k and $4k. Am I missing something? If write performance is important, consider RAID 3, which will be more expensive. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jun 17 12:42:44 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] building a file server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D1D814.7020506@redconcepts.net> Chris Schumann wrote: > Hardware RAID is good. Bootable. Reconstructs data while being used. No > fuss. and other than the CPU overhead, how is this different from linux software RAID? i boot off of it, i can reconstruct it while being used (though not hotswap) and it is no fuss (once you set it up it just works) > If the system is critical, then you have to be able to bounce back from > any single failure within some short time, depending on your budget. That > single failure can be a hard drive, power supply, RAID controller or > storage box CPU, motherboard or tape drive. Have spares on hand. $2k > sitting on the shelf is good insurnace against a day of lost work to many > companies. good advice, but microcenter and compusa are just a stonethrow away for those who cannot afford/justify $2k sitting idle > Many server boxes can accept redundant power supplies. I like IBM hardware > for servers, but it's not on a retail shelf. in my experience IBM, while good, is also very expensive. not enough bang/buck goodness to justify the cost IMHO. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu Jun 17 12:41:24 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> ... snip ... > > Below I have listed the iptables command ... it tells me that there is > > "no chain/target/match by that name" Suggestions would be greatly > > appreciated. (obviously it does not work) > > > > iptables command > > > > $IPT -A PREROUTING -p TCP -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ > > --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > > Add '-t nat' to get to the proper table. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... nothing makes it to the internal machine. I added the first command to just open up port 1025 from everywhere in the world ...hoping that it would help (apparently it didn't) CURRENT COMMANDS: $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p tcp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p udp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 LOG FILE MESSAGE Jun 17 12:25:49 server kernel: FORWARD packet died: IN=eth1 OUT=eth0 SRC=131.216 .114.113 DST=192.168.1.99 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=24688 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=42431 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 COMMAND USED TO SSH ssh -p 1025 -l rclark 63.98.3.64 Other items of note: I am on a high speed wireless connection and my IP is an internal one ... behind their systems, but all ports are opened up so that my box appears wide open to the world. World IP is 63.98.3.64 ... internal IP is 172.16.5.47 ... so that is why this last ip address shows up on the log file. I also have two NICs on this system ... one for the internet and the other for the internal network. Do I have to do anything special in order to route it from the external IP (172.16.5.47) to the internal NIC (192.168.1.1) Thoughts of suggestions would be greatly appreciated ... thanks in advance. Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jun 17 13:21:18 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still > does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... nothing > makes it to the internal machine. How's your FORWARD table looking? You need a rule open like: $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -i eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.99 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT that says that's it's okay to forward packets from outside to 192.168.1.99:22 (after the destination got rewrote). 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu Jun 17 14:04:18 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command References: Message-ID: <005201c4549d$f000cf00$0201a8c0@office> I had added those as well ... with one command for each interface ... still no go .. the packets are still dropped as the forward is attempted *scratches head* I added two commands ... one for each -i eth0 and -i eth1 .. still no go Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jima" To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still > > does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... nothing > > makes it to the internal machine. > > How's your FORWARD table looking? You need a rule open like: > > $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -i eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.99 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > > that says that's it's okay to forward packets from outside to > 192.168.1.99:22 (after the destination got rewrote). > > Jima > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Jun 17 14:41:13 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <005201c4549d$f000cf00$0201a8c0@office> References: <005201c4549d$f000cf00$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <40D1F3D9.4030300@cascopoint.com> Randy Clarksean wrote: >I had added those as well ... with one command for each interface ... still >no go .. the packets are still dropped as the forward is attempted >*scratches head* > > run iptables -t nat -Lvx it`ll show you the counters, and you`ll see if it is matched on this rule, if it matches that the problem is below, if you can flush the firewall and try just this rule, check the default action for the tables, and check that you have IP forwarding turned on >I added two commands ... one for each -i eth0 and -i eth1 .. still no go > >Randy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jima" >To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:21 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command > > > > >>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: >> >> >>>That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still >>>does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... >>> >>> >nothing > > >>>makes it to the internal machine. >>> >>> >> How's your FORWARD table looking? You need a rule open like: >> >>$IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -i eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.99 --dport 22 -j >> >> >ACCEPT > > >>that says that's it's okay to forward packets from outside to >>192.168.1.99:22 (after the destination got rewrote). >> >> Jima >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jun 17 15:49:18 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <005201c4549d$f000cf00$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I had added those as well ... with one command for each interface ... still > no go .. the packets are still dropped as the forward is attempted > *scratches head* > > I added two commands ... one for each -i eth0 and -i eth1 .. still no go Err, yeah, I suppose it'd help if I typed it right: $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.99 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT But that's not working? You're not jumping FORWARD to another table, are you? What other FORWARD rules do you have before/after that? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 17 18:04:41 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find Cisco 677 CBOS download? (old version) In-Reply-To: <40D0965C.12075.271530@localhost> References: <40D0965C.12075.271530@localhost> Message-ID: <40D22389.5010200@veldy.net> Scott Kriefall wrote: > I have access to an old Cisco 677 DSL modem, with v2.1.0 of CBOS installed. I'd > like to upgrade the CBOS firmware to something a bit less ancient. I've found a web > site with various versions of CBOS available for download for the 675/677 modems: > > http://home.fuse.net/postyware/ > > According to their download page, modems with 2.1.0 must first be upgraded to > 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 before they can be upgraded to newer CBOS revisions. The problem: > I've been unable to locate a 677 version of the CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 firmware. The > Postyware web site linked above has those CBOS revisions for the 675, but not the > 677. Searches via Google and elsewhere have come up empty. > > Does anyone still have a copy of CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 for the Cisco 677, or know > where I might be able to download it? > Scott, Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2x3jf It is version 2.4.6 for the 677 and it does not require a step upgrade, it upgrades the boot as well as the firmware. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jun 18 02:36:12 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1087544172.11720.64.camel@bigtime> Here's the FORWARD and PREROUTING bits of my rather extensive hack of a firewall script, which is forwarding port 35464 through, a randomly chosen port I run Azureus on. It works for me: $IPTABLES -N forwardallow $IPTABLES -A forwardallow -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A forwardallow -p icmp --icmp-type ! echo-request -j ACCEPT # bittorrent $IPTABLES -A forwardallow -m state --state NEW -p TCP --dport 35464 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A forwardallow -j LOG --log-prefix "Firewalled in forwarding " $IPTABLES -A forwardallow -j DROP # Dunno why this is needed $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $INTIF -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -j forwardallow $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix "Dropped in forwarding " # bittorrent /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i $EXTIF --dport 35464 -j DNAT --to 192.168.3.33:35464 I really hate how, near as I can tell, iptables requires you to put entries in both FORWARD and PREROUTING, it seems like violating OnceAndOnlyOnce to me. ipchains didn't do this, but other than that iptables is far better... And I'm not sure about the first FORWARD line. It was all working great for many months, then one day I couldn't ssh into the server from the internal network, it was dropping packets in the FORWARD chain until I put that in. I think I might have upgraded the kernel... The full script is at http://www.haxxed.com/random/firewall.txt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skriefal at visi.com Fri Jun 18 07:16:43 2004 From: skriefal at visi.com (Scott Kriefall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find Cisco 677 CBOS download? (old In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40D296DB.16807.7F90354@localhost> On 17 Jun 2004 at 18:04, veldy@veldy.net wrote: > Scott Kriefall wrote: > > Does anyone still have a copy of CBOS 2.2.0 or 2.3.5 for the Cisco 677, or know > > where I might be able to download it? > > Try this: > http://tinyurl.com/2x3jf > > It is version 2.4.6 for the 677 and it does not require a step upgrade, > it upgrades the boot as well as the firmware. Thanks Tom. I'll give that a try as soon as I can retrieve the 677 from storage. Scott _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at getbent.net Fri Jun 18 12:14:46 2004 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to force an internal IP to use a certain external interface when failover routing is enabled In-Reply-To: <200406181203.32675.mike@privateit.net> References: <200406181203.32675.mike@privateit.net> Message-ID: <200406181214.46360.mike@getbent.net> I setup failover routing according to the nano.txt howto http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt We are setting up a VOIP system that requires a static route to the VOIP switch which is DNATed from two real ips to 10.0.0.13 10.0.0.14 respectivly In the script I specified a SNAT statement to map the internal IP of 10.0.0.13 to the corresponding external IP. When the switch generates a new session going out to a phone somewhere in the internet, the traffic sometimes goes to the backup interface (Not the interface or IP specified by the SNAT statement) and thus the setup between the switch and the VOIP phone fails. How do I force traffic from a given internal IP address to skip the failover routing all together and only route through specified interface? Below are the ip route and iptables statements I use: echo "Setting Loopback route" ip link set lo up ip addr add 127.0.0.1/8 brd + dev lo echo "Setting ETH0/Internal route" ip link set $IFI up ip addr add $IPI/$NMI brd + dev $IFI ip rule add prio 50 table main ip route del default table main echo "Setting External Interfaces without gateway or Route" ip link set $IFE1 up ip addr flush dev $IFE1 ip addr add $IPE1/$NME1 brd $BRD1 dev $IFE1 ip link set $IFE2 up ip addr flush dev $IFE2 ip addr add $IPE2/$NME2 brd $BRD2 dev $IFE2 ip addr add $PHONEID1/$NME2 brd $BRD2 dev $IFE2 label eth2:2 ip addr add $PHONEID2/$NME2 brd $BRD2 dev $IFE2 label eth2:3 # #Routing # echo "Set Established traffic to use same IF" ip rule add prio 201 from $NWE1/$NME1 table 201 ip route add default via $GWE1 dev $IFE1 src $IPE1 proto static table 201 ip route append prohibit default table 201 metric 1 proto static ip rule add prio 202 from $NWE2/$NME2 table 202 ip route add 10.0.0.13/32 via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 src $PHONEID1 proto static table \ 202 ip route add 10.0.0.14/32 via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 src $PHONEID2 proto static table \ 202 ip route add default via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 src $IPE2 proto static table 202 ip route append prohibit default table 202 metric 1 proto static echo "Default Multipath Route and setting weights!" ip rule add prio 222 table 222 ip route add 10.0.0.13/32 table 222 proto static \ nexthop via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 weight 1 ip route add 10.0.0.14/32 table 222 proto static \ nexthop via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 weight 1 ip route add default table 222 proto static \ nexthop via $GWE1 dev $IFE1 weight 1 \ nexthop via $GWE2 dev $IFE2 weight 1 echo "Running Firewalling Scripts for Interfaces" #echo " SNAT-For Special" echo "Setting the Chains on Filter and Nat" $IPTABLES -t filter -N keep_state $IPTABLES -t filter -A keep_state -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED \ -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -t filter -A keep_state -j RETURN $IPTABLES -t nat -N keep_state $IPTABLES -t nat -A keep_state -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED \ -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -t nat -A keep_state -j RETURN echo "Setting Jumps for PRE POST OUT IN FORWARD OUT for NAT and FILTER" $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -j keep_state $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j keep_state $IPTABLES -t nat -A OUTPUT -j keep_state $IPTABLES -t filter -A INPUT -j keep_state $IPTABLES -t filter -A FORWARD -j keep_state $IPTABLES -t filter -A OUTPUT -j keep_state echo " SNAT-Default" $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFE2 -s 10.0.0.13 -j SNAT --to $PHONEID1 $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFE2 -s 10.0.0.14 -j SNAT --to $PHONEID2 $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFE2 -s 10.0.0.150 -j SNAT --to $IPE2 $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFE2 -s $NWI/$NMI -j SNAT --to $IPE2 $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFE1 -s $NWI/$NMI -j SNAT --to $IPE1 $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p ALL -i ipsec0 -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p ALL -i ipsec0 -s 0/0 -j ACCEPT #echo "Default Policies" #$IPTABLES -P INPUT DROP #$IPTABLES -P OUTPUT DROP #$IPTABLES -P FORWARD DROP echo" Per IF Scripts" /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall_eth1 /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall_eth2 echo "Allowing All LAN traffic to enter Chains" $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $IFI -j ACCEPT echo "Ipsec Traffic" $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p 50 -s $IPE1 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p 51 -s $IPE1 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p 50 -d $IPE2 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p 51 -d $IPE2 -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p ALL -i ipsec0 -s 0/0 -j ACCEPT #echo "Dropping Everything else in INPUT chain" #$IPTABLES -P INPUT DROP -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 18 13:11:42 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian update probs Message-ID: Hey, Is anyone else having trouble getting debian updates? Maybe my source list is just off... but I can't seem to be able to get apt-get update to run all the way through, nor am I able to apt-get install anything... anyone else seeing this? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jun 18 14:39:49 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian update probs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040618193949.GC4938@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jun 18 14:43:49 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian update probs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040618194349.GA20885@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 01:11:42PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble getting debian updates? Maybe my source > list is just off... but I can't seem to be able to get apt-get update > to run all the way through, nor am I able to apt-get install > anything... anyone else seeing this? No problem here. What is your sources.list pointing to? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Fri Jun 18 15:28:43 2004 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? Message-ID: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> I'm thinking about building another webserver for a website with relatively high exposure (ie attached to the Internet) but relatively low traffic/load. Personal webserver basically for showing photos to grandparents. I'm a programmer so of course I want to screw around with webbish stuff on it. on it, I plan to run apache httpd apache tomcat (with whatever latest j2sdk) amanda qmail (outbound mail from website) ssh X I'm looking for the distro that will be easily secured, has reasonable security defaults out of the box, and is compatible with the above setup (I'm talking about avoiding weird configuration problems, build problems, ACL configuration with these kinds of services, etc.). I don't know if it's ok to mention FreeBSD on this list--but I'll just say that I'm not opposed to using it. I appreciate any helpful suggestions. -- Steve Linabery This electronic message transmission contains information from the sender's organization that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 18 15:41:09 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian update probs In-Reply-To: <20040618193949.GC4938@wookimus.net> References: <20040618193949.GC4938@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Check your network reliability or look at the server you're connecting. Hmmm. I think my squid was eating the DNS round robin... I'd stopped using UMN a long time ago because it seemed to be always down... I think I'll point back to it for a while. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff at helkeiandjeff.com Fri Jun 18 15:58:33 2004 From: jeff at helkeiandjeff.com (jeff@helkeiandjeff.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <1087592313.40d35779148be@webmail.pajunas.net> Check out the SME Server ( http://www.contribs.org ). Reasonable security out of the box, and has apache, qmail, and ssh set up. I set up tomcat on it without trouble, and it has a backup system that's easy to use. No X though, that's generally considered a security risk. Jeff Quoting Steve Linabery : > I'm thinking about building another webserver for a website with > relatively high exposure (ie attached to the Internet) but relatively > low traffic/load. Personal webserver basically for showing photos to > grandparents. I'm a programmer so of course I want to screw around with > webbish stuff on it. > > on it, I plan to run > apache httpd > apache tomcat (with whatever latest j2sdk) > amanda > qmail (outbound mail from website) > ssh > X > > I'm looking for the distro that will be easily secured, has reasonable > security defaults out of the box, and is compatible with the above setup > (I'm talking about avoiding weird configuration problems, build > problems, ACL configuration with these kinds of services, etc.). > > I don't know if it's ok to mention FreeBSD on this list--but I'll just > say that I'm not opposed to using it. > > I appreciate any helpful suggestions. > -- > Steve Linabery > > > > This electronic message transmission contains information from the sender's > organization that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The > information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named > above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, > copying or distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, > please notify the sender immediately by replying to the address listed in the > "From:" > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 18 15:56:29 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <20040618155629.00003ce6@schubert> On 18 Jun 2004 15:28:43 -0500 Steve Linabery wrote: > I'm thinking about building another webserver for a website with > relatively high exposure (ie attached to the Internet) but > relatively low traffic/load. Personal webserver basically for > showing photos to grandparents. I'm a programmer so of course I want > to screw around with webbish stuff on it. > > on it, I plan to run > apache httpd > apache tomcat (with whatever latest j2sdk) > amanda > qmail (outbound mail from website) > ssh > X > > I'm looking for the distro that will be easily secured, has > reasonable security defaults out of the box, and is compatible with > the above setup(I'm talking about avoiding weird configuration > problems, build problems, ACL configuration with these kinds of > services, etc.). > > I don't know if it's ok to mention FreeBSD on this list--but I'll > just say that I'm not opposed to using it. It's ok, so long as you don't mention Mickysoft in the same sentence. :) I actually really want to learn FreeBSD, it has a strong following. Anyway, based on your recommendations, I would go with Debian. It's a good distro to administer from the command line via ssh and it works quite well. Just about any well-administered disto will do the job for you though. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 18 16:14:43 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Steve Linabery wrote: > on it, I plan to run > apache httpd > apache tomcat (with whatever latest j2sdk) > amanda > qmail (outbound mail from website) > ssh > X > > I'm looking for the distro that will be easily secured, has reasonable > security defaults out of the box, and is compatible with the above setup > (I'm talking about avoiding weird configuration problems, build > problems, ACL configuration with these kinds of services, etc.). Any reason you want to use qmail instead of a lightweight mailer like nullmailer? Also, why X on a web server? In any case, Debian should be able to do all of the above without a problem, and has fairly reasonably defaults. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Jun 18 16:46:31 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office> <003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1087595191.40d362b758462@joshwelch.com> Quoting Randy Clarksean : > That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still > does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... nothing > makes it to the internal machine. I added the first command to just open up > port 1025 from everywhere in the world ...hoping that it would help > (apparently it didn't) > > CURRENT COMMANDS: > > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p tcp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p udp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT > $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ > --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > > LOG FILE MESSAGE > > Jun 17 12:25:49 server kernel: FORWARD packet died: IN=eth1 OUT=eth0 > SRC=131.216 > .114.113 DST=192.168.1.99 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=24688 DF > PROTO=TCP SPT=42431 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 > > COMMAND USED TO SSH > > ssh -p 1025 -l rclark 63.98.3.64 > do you have something to the effect of -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j tcp_inbound ? Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy.schmid at astound.net Fri Jun 18 17:57:11 2004 From: andy.schmid at astound.net (Andy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA mount ownership problem Message-ID: <40D37347.7000000@astound.net> Hey, I cannot figure out what the problem is here. I am attempting to mount a remote unix samba share (server version 3.0.2). The problem is when mounting, smbmount takes the owner off the remote server instead of the one I locally specify. The command I am using is : mount -t smbfs -o username=schm1498,uid=1000 //mozart/unix_web /opt/test Password: [root@sphynx:/mnt]# cd /opt/ [root@sphynx:/opt]# ll total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ./ drwxr-xr-x 22 root 4096 Jun 10 08:51 ../ drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 test/ [root@sphynx:/opt/test]# ll total 18874376 drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 ./ drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ../ -rwxr--r-- 1 root 15364 Jan 16 08:51 .DS_Store* -rwxr--r-- 1 root 82 Jan 19 15:07 ._Temporary Items* -rw-r--r-- 1 root 352 Apr 12 17:35 .ldaprc drwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 May 14 12:35 Desktop Folder/ it gives the mount point the correct ownership, but everything recursive of it is set with the servers ownership. The share mounts fine on other various linux/mac/and windows machines but doesn't seem to work on my debian (sid) box. I am running kernel 2.6.6 and smbmount 3.0.4. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Fri Jun 18 19:59:31 2004 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <11311184.1087594081635.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> <11311184.1087594081635.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <40D38FF3.9080407@worldcycling.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Steve Linabery wrote: > >>on it, I plan to run >>apache httpd >>apache tomcat (with whatever latest j2sdk) >>amanda >>qmail (outbound mail from website) >>ssh >>X >> >>I'm looking for the distro that will be easily secured, has reasonable >>security defaults out of the box, and is compatible with the above setup >>(I'm talking about avoiding weird configuration problems, build >>problems, ACL configuration with these kinds of services, etc.). > > > Any reason you want to use qmail instead of a lightweight mailer like > nullmailer? Also, why X on a web server? > > In any case, Debian should be able to do all of the above without a > problem, and has fairly reasonably defaults. > well, qmail because I'm used to it and because it's not sendmail. X because I'm lazy and want to use gui configuration tools sometimes when my other machine is off...is X just plain a bad idea, or can it be sufficiently "battened down?" any links to docs for doing same? thanks so far everyone. s -- Steve Linabery _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Jun 19 00:25:19 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl Message-ID: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> Hi, Since there have been some Debian related posts, I thought I'd share an issue that's been nagging me this week. I'm running Debian stable with Qmail + Qmail-Scanner + ClamAV + SA. I've actually posted this issue on the SA (SpamAssassin) and QS (Qmail-Scanner) lists but haven't received any helpful replies. I'm hoping maybe some Debian gurus can shed some light on this... Recently I did an apt-get upgrade/update which pulled a new version of perl and perl modules down, as it always seemes to. I am not sure if this is where my issue began, but it seems like since that happened it's taking anywhere from 1-10 (10!) minutes to scan email messages using qmail-scanner. Yeah I know QS and SA are resource hogs, but this is a dual PIV Xeon box with 1GB of memory and it's not exactly high traffic. My PIII SuSE box is blowing this thing away in this regard. 15 seconds seems normal there. Research into this issue shows that the SA spamd daemon scans a message in about 1-3 seconds, but then spamc sits and sits for minutes. If I run spamc with the -c flag (which doesn't generate the verbose report) then it's just as quick as spamd. But I like having the report so I can see why false positives/negatives occured and act accordingly. Any thoughts? Should I be posting to a Debian list? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jun 19 00:39:34 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian dependency hell Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I got debian up on this Indy and I'm trying to update things, and install new packages... and I've hit a nice dependency hell... It's trying to upgrade libc6. It gives off a bunch of warnings, and then fails... and I'm assuming it's because the kernel's too old. It says it wants 2.4.22, and this machine's 2.4.16. Now apt-get freaks on everything and won't install anything. It makes me run apt-get -f install, which doens't help at all. I tried to manually make a new kernel, but, uh. This machine doesn't even have 'make' on it, and I don't have another indy to build a kernel on (: Anyone? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Jun 19 08:41:19 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian dependency hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Yaron wrote: > Ok, I got debian up on this Indy and I'm trying to update things, and > install new packages... and I've hit a nice dependency hell... > > It's trying to upgrade libc6. > > It gives off a bunch of warnings, and then fails... and I'm assuming > it's because the kernel's too old. It says it wants 2.4.22, and this > machine's 2.4.16. > > Now apt-get freaks on everything and won't install anything. It makes me > run apt-get -f install, which doens't help at all. > > I tried to manually make a new kernel, but, uh. This machine doesn't > even have 'make' on it, and I don't have another indy to build a kernel > on (: Can you download the libc6 and kernel packages, and 'dpkg -i --force-all' install them, along with the required packages? dpkg -i --force-all'ing the kernel alone may fix apt enough to get apt-get -f install to work, too. It seems that Debian has a lot of these type of problems on non-i386 arch's; I know that Bob ran into a very similar issue on an old Sparc. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sat Jun 19 08:58:49 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian dependency hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D44699.3060105@argle.org> Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > Can you download the libc6 and kernel packages, and 'dpkg -i --force-all' > install them, along with the required packages? > > dpkg -i --force-all'ing the kernel alone may fix apt enough to get apt-get > -f install to work, too. > > It seems that Debian has a lot of these type of problems on non-i386 > arch's; I know that Bob ran into a very similar issue on an old Sparc. > This is the way to do it. These problems used to happen on i386 too. Note that the new kernel doesn't need to be be running to finish installing, but you _will_ want to reboot ASAP after the install or libc might cause random seeming problems. -- Daniel Taylor _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Sat Jun 19 10:27:12 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA mount ownership problem Message-ID: I haven't taken the time to look it up, but including both 'username' and 'uid' in the '-o' argument may be redundant. Have you tried just using one of them? --- Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us Programmer / System Administrator Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >>> andy.schmid@astound.net 06/18/04 5:57 PM >>> Hey, I cannot figure out what the problem is here. I am attempting to mount a remote unix samba share (server version 3.0.2). The problem is when mounting, smbmount takes the owner off the remote server instead of the one I locally specify. The command I am using is : mount -t smbfs -o username=schm1498,uid=1000 //mozart/unix_web /opt/test Password: [root@sphynx:/mnt]# cd /opt/ [root@sphynx:/opt]# ll total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ./ drwxr-xr-x 22 root 4096 Jun 10 08:51 ../ drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 test/ [root@sphynx:/opt/test]# ll total 18874376 drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 ./ drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ../ -rwxr--r-- 1 root 15364 Jan 16 08:51 .DS_Store* -rwxr--r-- 1 root 82 Jan 19 15:07 ._Temporary Items* -rw-r--r-- 1 root 352 Apr 12 17:35 .ldaprc drwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 May 14 12:35 Desktop Folder/ it gives the mount point the correct ownership, but everything recursive of it is set with the servers ownership. The share mounts fine on other various linux/mac/and windows machines but doesn't seem to work on my debian (sid) box. I am running kernel 2.6.6 and smbmount 3.0.4. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sat Jun 19 12:19:05 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> Message-ID: I would guess that spamc is trying to do something it can't and only continuing when it hits a timeout state. Your best bet is to turn on debugging on spamc, then check in daemon.log for the problem. The timestamps will be key. On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi, > > Since there have been some Debian related posts, I thought I'd share an issue that's been nagging me this week. > > I'm running Debian stable with Qmail + Qmail-Scanner + ClamAV + SA. I've actually posted this issue on the SA (SpamAssassin) and QS (Qmail-Scanner) lists but haven't received any helpful replies. I'm hoping maybe some Debian gurus can shed some light on this... > > Recently I did an apt-get upgrade/update which pulled a new version of perl and perl modules down, as it always seemes to. I am not sure if this is where my issue began, but it seems like since that happened it's taking anywhere from 1-10 (10!) minutes to scan email messages using qmail-scanner. Yeah I know QS and SA are resource hogs, but this is a dual PIV Xeon box with 1GB of memory and it's not exactly high traffic. My PIII SuSE box is blowing this thing away in this regard. 15 seconds seems normal there. > > Research into this issue shows that the SA spamd daemon scans a message in about 1-3 seconds, but then spamc sits and sits for minutes. If I run spamc with the -c flag (which doesn't generate the verbose report) then it's just as quick as spamd. But I like having the report so I can see why false positives/negatives occured and act accordingly. > > Any thoughts? Should I be posting to a Debian list? > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Jun 19 13:06:04 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: References: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> Message-ID: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Daniel Taylor wrote: > I would guess that spamc is trying to do something it can't and only > continuing when it hits a timeout state. Your best bet is to > turn on debugging on spamc, then check in daemon.log for the > problem. I would, if there actually was debugging on spamc, -D is only for spamd, which I have been using, but once spamd is done, I cannot tell what spamc is waiting for. I notice that the default timout for spamc is 600 seconds. A few messages get to that, but most take about 200 seconds. :~> spamc -h Usage: spamc [options] < message -B: BSMTP mode - expect input to be a single SMTP-formatted message -c: check only - print score/threshold and exit code set to 0 if message is not spam, 1 if spam -r: report if spam - print report for spam messages -R: report - print report for all messages -y: symbols - print only the names of the tests hit -d host: specify host to connect to [default: localhost] -e command [args]: Command to output to instead of stdout. MUST BE THE LAST OPTION. -f: fallback safely - in case of comms error, dump original message unchanges instead of setting exitcode -h: print this help message -p port: specify port for connection [default: 783] -s size: specify max message size, any bigger and it will be returned w/out processing [default: 250k] -u username: specify the username for spamd to process this message under -x: don't fallback safely - in a comms error, exit with a TEMPFAIL error code -t: timeout in seconds to read from spamd. 0 disables. [default: 600] -H: randomize the IP addresses in the looked-up hostname -U path: use UNIX domain socket with path _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sat Jun 19 14:53:01 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office><003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> <1087595191.40d362b758462@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <003201c45637$0e828000$0201a8c0@office> Well ... I appreciate all of the generous help and input. What finally worked is pasted below. $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp -j ACCEPT --dport 1025 -m state --state NEW $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 1025 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.99:22 I think my problem (amongst the many) was that they had created the new named string "tcp_inbound" within my iptables (some script was used - i forget which one). I was screwing up which chains everything was getting added to ... meaning i was adding to "tcp_inbound" improperly ... so i did it the right way ... finally ... and it worked. So ... I THINK the interpretation of what I have is 1) the FORWARD string has the check for port 1025, if so it jumps to string ACCEPT 2) the FORWARD string also knows that anything in on eth1 can go to eth0 (outside to inside) 3) the last command says to take anything for port 1025 and send it to the internal machine. A lesson in frustration .. but also an education in iptables ... in keeping it all straight. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command > Quoting Randy Clarksean : > > > > That did take care of the error for the iptables command .. but it still > > does not make it through the firewall. The packets still die ... nothing > > makes it to the internal machine. I added the first command to just open up > > port 1025 from everywhere in the world ...hoping that it would help > > (apparently it didn't) > > > > CURRENT COMMANDS: > > > > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p tcp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT > > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p udp -s 0/0 --destination-port 1025 -j ACCEPT > > $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT \ > > --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > > > > LOG FILE MESSAGE > > > > Jun 17 12:25:49 server kernel: FORWARD packet died: IN=eth1 OUT=eth0 > > SRC=131.216 > > .114.113 DST=192.168.1.99 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=24688 DF > > PROTO=TCP SPT=42431 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 > > > > COMMAND USED TO SSH > > > > ssh -p 1025 -l rclark 63.98.3.64 > > > > > do you have something to the effect of -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j tcp_inbound > ? > > Josh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sat Jun 19 15:03:26 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:19:05 -0500 (CDT) > Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > I would guess that spamc is trying to do something it can't and only > > continuing when it hits a timeout state. Your best bet is to > > turn on debugging on spamc, then check in daemon.log for the > > problem. > > I would, if there actually was debugging on spamc, -D is only for spamd, which I have been using, but once spamd is done, I cannot tell what spamc is waiting for. I notice that the default timout for spamc is 600 seconds. A few messages get to that, but most take about 200 seconds. > > :~> spamc -h Then use "strace spamc -c" and watch the output. Strace displays the system calls and will show if you are hanging on a DNS lookup or bad socket. It's a bit harder to interpret than most programs' debug output which is why I didn't recommend it first. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jun 19 15:08:11 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406192008.i5JK8Br29753@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: BX motherboards P3 500s soundcards I have four 440BX based slot1 full size ATX motherboards, pulled from some gateways. as well as four Creative Labs ES1373 (CT5803) soundcards. I also have 2 PIII 500's and a PII 400. I'm looking to get $10 for the boards, $15 for the PIII's, $10 for the PII, and $5 for the sound cards. Seller Email address: seg at haxxed dot mine dot nu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jun 19 15:25:04 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (seg@haxxed.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <40D38FF3.9080407@worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> <11311184.1087594081635.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> <40D38FF3.9080407@worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <33801.10.3.3.102.1087676704.squirrel@10.3.3.102> > well, qmail because I'm used to it and because it's not sendmail. X > because I'm lazy and want to use gui configuration tools sometimes when > my other machine is off...is X just plain a bad idea, or can it be > sufficiently "battened down?" any links to docs for doing same? I like Debian for servers, but I've been playing with Fedora Core 2 due to the out of the box SELinux. If you REALLY mean security give FC2 a go. Though SELinux support seems to be filtering its way into debian unstable now... I don't know that X is a particular security risk, as long as it isn't exposed to the internet. You should be running a good firewall setup anyway. Though you don't have to run X on the server, you can just install the xlibs and run the GUI tools on a different box through SSH tunneling. If you want GUI tools, Fedora's the way to go. Debian doesn't really have any. However Debian does have really nice text based config on its server packages through debconf, (which can actually run a X GUI front end too anyway...) whereas I find fedora just tends to plop down a raw /etc/whatever.conf and leaves you to it. Anyway, Debian is really nice for servers, IMHO completely awful for desktop use. Fedora is awesome for desktop use, but not yet nearly as slick as Debian for servers. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Sat Jun 19 17:26:23 2004 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] secure distro recommendation? In-Reply-To: <5708466.1087677346863.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <17560882.1087590525598.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> <11311184.1087594081635.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> <40D38FF3.9080407@worldcycling.com> <5708466.1087677346863.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <1087683983.3025.2.camel@eggmaster> On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:25, seg@haxxed.com wrote: > > well, qmail because I'm used to it and because it's not sendmail. X > > because I'm lazy and want to use gui configuration tools sometimes when > > my other machine is off...is X just plain a bad idea, or can it be > > sufficiently "battened down?" any links to docs for doing same? > > I like Debian for servers, but I've been playing with Fedora Core 2 due to > the out of the box SELinux. If you REALLY mean security give FC2 a go. > Though SELinux support seems to be filtering its way into debian unstable > now... > > I don't know that X is a particular security risk, as long as it isn't > exposed to the internet. You should be running a good firewall setup > anyway. Though you don't have to run X on the server, you can just install > the xlibs and run the GUI tools on a different box through SSH tunneling. > > If you want GUI tools, Fedora's the way to go. Debian doesn't really have > any. However Debian does have really nice text based config on its server > packages through debconf, (which can actually run a X GUI front end too > anyway...) whereas I find fedora just tends to plop down a raw > /etc/whatever.conf and leaves you to it. > > Anyway, Debian is really nice for servers, IMHO completely awful for > desktop use. Fedora is awesome for desktop use, but not yet nearly as > slick as Debian for servers. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I was hoping someone would suggest FC2 with SELinux...I've installed it on a box at work, but haven't done much with it. Used to run a server at work with RH8-something and LIDS on it, but at the time it was pretty tedious to define policies for all the programs that needed access to some portion of the filesystem, etc. anyone had any experience with SELinux with a pretty barebones webserver? thanks s -- Steve Linabery World Cycling Productions _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Jun 20 11:59:52 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hdwe: Linux & Dual Xeon Message-ID: <001001c456e8$03d18280$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Jun 20 21:00:29 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hdwe: Linux & Dual Xeon In-Reply-To: <001001c456e8$03d18280$0201a8c0@office> References: <001001c456e8$03d18280$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <40D6413D.9040806@visi.com> Go out to Ebay and buy a Compaq/HP Proliant Server, Compaq/HP fully supports Linux. If you want a computational box why not go with a Sun, Alpha, or other RISC based processor machine. RISC machines are much better at number crunching. Sam. Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I need to upgrade to a better computational box here in the next few > months. I will be getting a dual Xeon box. Yes ... I have considered > the new Opteron as an option, but the software I run only runs in 32 > bit mode on the Opteron, plus all other software development I will do > is for a 32 bit Linux cluster. So ... the Xeon is the best choice > for my high end computational work. > > Has anyone out there recently built a dual Xeon box and put Linux on > it? My concern is in getting drivers for all of the onboard systems > on the motherboard. Any one have any suggestions or experiences? I > am looking at an ASUS motherboard. I do not need the full blown > server motherboard (SCSI, etc.), but I do want a solid base to start > from. I believe I will have to use Suse or Redhat on the system for > complete compatibility with the one software package I need to use. > > Thoughts, suggestions, experiences, appreciated. > > Randy > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jun 20 23:49:41 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hdwe: Linux & Dual Xeon References: <001001c456e8$03d18280$0201a8c0@office> <40D6413D.9040806@visi.com> Message-ID: <016501c4574b$2a578900$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > Go out to Ebay and buy a Compaq/HP Proliant Server, Compaq/HP fully > supports Linux. Nice joke. > If you want a computational box why not go with a Sun, Alpha, or other > RISC based processor machine. RISC machines are much better at number > crunching. You don't know what you are talking about. For cheap computational power, Xeon, Opteron or G5 is best. Modern x86 CPUs have a RISC-like cores (depending on who you talk to) with front ends that translate CISC instructions into lower level instructions (this is a very simplified explanation). PPC is RISC, but due to market demands, x86 CPUs are still roughly the same speed. Which CPU you buy depends on your application. Some applications will run faster on the Xeon, some will run faster on the Opteron (which is fast in both 32 and 64 bit mode) and some will run faster on the G5. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Jun 21 00:06:25 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hdwe: Linux & Dual Xeon References: <001001c456e8$03d18280$0201a8c0@office> <40D6413D.9040806@visi.com> Message-ID: <004901c4574d$856518b0$0201a8c0@office> (oops ... I posted this back to Sam .. but not the group .. so here it is) Money is the issue ... they are great boxes, but you pay a lot of money for the product. Buying good solid hardware will cost me $2800 ( > 4 GB RAM, > 640 GB SATA IDE drives, etc.) ... software install after that takes time ... I have more time than money. The money comes out of my pocket - self-employed ... not a large corporations computer budget. "Bang for the buck" I can build a lot better machine than I can buy ... that is of course assuming I can find a motherboard with the right drivers for Linux ... hence ... why I am doing a bit of research first. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hdwe: Linux & Dual Xeon > Go out to Ebay and buy a Compaq/HP Proliant Server, Compaq/HP fully > supports Linux. > > If you want a computational box why not go with a Sun, Alpha, or other > RISC based processor machine. RISC machines are much better at number > crunching. > > Sam. > > > Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > > > I need to upgrade to a better computational box here in the next few > > months. I will be getting a dual Xeon box. Yes ... I have considered > > the new Opteron as an option, but the software I run only runs in 32 > > bit mode on the Opteron, plus all other software development I will do > > is for a 32 bit Linux cluster. So ... the Xeon is the best choice > > for my high end computational work. > > > > Has anyone out there recently built a dual Xeon box and put Linux on > > it? My concern is in getting drivers for all of the onboard systems > > on the motherboard. Any one have any suggestions or experiences? I > > am looking at an ASUS motherboard. I do not need the full blown > > server motherboard (SCSI, etc.), but I do want a solid base to start > > from. I believe I will have to use Suse or Redhat on the system for > > complete compatibility with the one software package I need to use. > > > > Thoughts, suggestions, experiences, appreciated. > > > > Randy > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Jun 21 09:12:06 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA mount ownership problem Message-ID: Absolutely true -- I didn't have to look far to see how wrong I was. Sorry for the misinformation, Troy >>> Andy Schmid 06/19/04 10:24PM >>> Hey, actually the username option is for the samba authenticatoin, the uid is for the local user id which you want to give ownership of the mount. Im almost 100% sure they do not have to be the same (i.e. same authentication for the samba server and local host) Troy.A Johnson wrote: >I haven't taken the time to look it up, but >including both 'username' and 'uid' in the >'-o' argument may be redundant. Have >you tried just using one of them? > >--- >Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us >Programmer / System Administrator >Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH > > >>>>andy.schmid@astound.net 06/18/04 5:57 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >Hey, I cannot figure out what the problem is here. I am attempting to >mount a remote unix samba share (server version 3.0.2). The problem is >when mounting, smbmount takes the owner off the remote server instead of >the one I locally specify. The command I am using is : > >mount -t smbfs -o username=schm1498,uid=1000 //mozart/unix_web /opt/test >Password: > >[root@sphynx:/mnt]# cd /opt/ >[root@sphynx:/opt]# ll >total 24 >drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ./ >drwxr-xr-x 22 root 4096 Jun 10 08:51 ../ >drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 test/ > >[root@sphynx:/opt/test]# ll >total 18874376 >drwxr-xr-x 1 murdok 4096 Jun 18 17:52 ./ >drwxr-xr-x 6 root 4096 Jun 18 16:15 ../ >-rwxr--r-- 1 root 15364 Jan 16 08:51 .DS_Store* >-rwxr--r-- 1 root 82 Jan 19 15:07 ._Temporary Items* >-rw-r--r-- 1 root 352 Apr 12 17:35 .ldaprc >drwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 May 14 12:35 Desktop Folder/ > > >it gives the mount point the correct ownership, but everything recursive >of it is set with the servers ownership. > >The share mounts fine on other various linux/mac/and windows machines >but doesn't seem to work on my debian (sid) box. I am running kernel >2.6.6 and smbmount 3.0.4. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jun 21 10:30:43 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess to restrict by interface? Message-ID: <40D6FF23.9040402@tc-tech.com> Folks, I want to set up a few directories like phpmyadmin, that will allow me to get in on the local IP address, but not allow people to connect from the internet. I've tried several syntaxes according to the documentation I can find, but they don't seem to work. Can someone tell me what my .htaccess files need to look like? Thanks! -- Matt Murphy TC Tech _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Jun 21 10:55:21 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess to restrict by interface? In-Reply-To: <40D6FF23.9040402@tc-tech.com> References: <40D6FF23.9040402@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <20040621155521.GA25994@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:30:43AM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote: > Folks, I want to set up a few directories like phpmyadmin, that will > allow me to get in on the local IP address, but not allow people to > connect from the internet. I've tried several syntaxes according to > the documentation I can find, but they don't seem to work. Can someone > tell me what my .htaccess files need to look like? You might need to tweak your AllowOverride settings; good doco is available on apache.org: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#allowoverride and a .htaccess tutorial is available at http://apache-server.com/tutorials/ATusing-htaccess.html -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 21 13:47:52 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> References: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Research into this issue shows that the SA spamd daemon scans a message > in about 1-3 seconds, but then spamc sits and sits for minutes. If I > run spamc with the -c flag (which doesn't generate the verbose report) > then it's just as quick as spamd. But I like having the report so I can > see why false positives/negatives occured and act accordingly. > > Any thoughts? Should I be posting to a Debian list? Have you tried manually running a message through spamc with verbosity turned up, so you can see where it's hanging up? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 21 13:50:38 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirect with iptables command In-Reply-To: <003201c45637$0e828000$0201a8c0@office> References: <000001c453e6$78346660$0201a8c0@office><003901c45492$5c356ca0$0201a8c0@office> <1087595191.40d362b758462@joshwelch.com> <003201c45637$0e828000$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Well ... I appreciate all of the generous help and input. What finally > worked is pasted below. > > $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT This is rather dangerous - if you misconfigure your NAT table or such, it'll allow the traffic to be forwarded in. I'd do something like: $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.99 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ..which will only allow that one connection. > $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp -j ACCEPT --dport 1025 -m state --state NEW This one shouldn't be needed, if I'm reading things correctly - nothing will ever hit the FORWARD table with a dport of 1025, in any case. (It's rewritten before it gets there). -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jun 21 14:06:17 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: References: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> Message-ID: <20040621140617.00000885@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:47:52 -0500 (CDT) Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Research into this issue shows that the SA spamd daemon scans a > > message in about 1-3 seconds, but then spamc sits and sits for > > minutes. If I run spamc with the -c flag (which doesn't generate > > the verbose report) then it's just as quick as spamd. But I like > > having the report so I can see why false positives/negatives > > occured and act accordingly. > > > > Any thoughts? Should I be posting to a Debian list? > > Have you tried manually running a message through spamc with > verbosity turned up, so you can see where it's hanging up? There is no spamc verbosity, only spamd, and yes I have turned it on. spamd does it's thing then spamc sits and sits. I tried running strace on it and there is just a period of time where it sits and prints nothing as well, sometimes for 5 minutes. Even running just plain old spamassassin on a sample message exhibits the same behavior. One of the oddest things I've come across. No one on the SA/QS lists has had a helpful reply so I'm still grasping at straws, getting close to offering a cash reward... :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jun 21 14:23:04 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: <20040621140617.00000885@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> <20040621140617.00000885@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > There is no spamc verbosity, only spamd, and yes I have turned it on. > spamd does it's thing then spamc sits and sits. I tried running strace > on it and there is just a period of time where it sits and prints > nothing as well, sometimes for 5 minutes. Even running just plain old > spamassassin on a sample message exhibits the same behavior. One of the > oddest things I've come across. That's just odd. Have you tried disabling remote checks? > No one on the SA/QS lists has had a helpful reply so I'm still grasping > at straws, getting close to offering a cash reward... :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jun 21 14:20:00 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin strace (WAS: Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl) In-Reply-To: References: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> Message-ID: <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:26 -0500 (CDT) Daniel Taylor wrote: > Then use "strace spamc -c" and watch the output. > > Strace displays the system calls and will show if you are hanging on > a DNS lookup or bad socket. It's a bit harder to interpret than most > programs' debug output which is why I didn't recommend it first. I did an strace on spamassassin itself as the spamd user, no spamc/spamd involved, it too behaves the same. There is a link to the strace file on my website: http://www.netbits.us/strace.txt It's long, but if you scroll to the very botton you can see where it sits for 4-5 minutes and does nothing. I'm not very proficient with strace (otherwise the idea to use it would have been my own!) so I'm not sure how to interpret the SIGWINCH stuff. Any thoughts? Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jun 21 14:41:48 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin strace (WAS: Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl) In-Reply-To: <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040621144148.0000063f@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:20:00 -0500 Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:26 -0500 (CDT) > Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > > Then use "strace spamc -c" and watch the output. > > > > Strace displays the system calls and will show if you are hanging > > on a DNS lookup or bad socket. It's a bit harder to interpret than > > most programs' debug output which is why I didn't recommend it > > first. > > I did an strace on spamassassin itself as the spamd user, no > spamc/spamd involved, it too behaves the same. > > There is a link to the strace file on my website: > > http://www.netbits.us/strace.txt > > It's long, but if you scroll to the very botton you can see where it > sits for 4-5 minutes and does nothing. I'm not very proficient with > strace (otherwise the idea to use it would have been my own!) so I'm > not sure how to interpret the SIGWINCH stuff. Any thoughts? Doh, maybe if I didn't switch back and forth between my windows the SIGWINCH (Window Change) wouldn't appear! I've updated the strace.txt file this time not switching windows. Any thoughts? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jun 21 14:46:12 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl In-Reply-To: References: <20040619002519.0000496d@schubert> <20040621140617.00000885@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040621144612.00006366@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:23:04 -0500 (CDT) Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > There is no spamc verbosity, only spamd, and yes I have turned it > > on. spamd does it's thing then spamc sits and sits. I tried > > running strace on it and there is just a period of time where it > > sits and prints nothing as well, sometimes for 5 minutes. Even > > running just plain old spamassassin on a sample message exhibits > > the same behavior. One of the oddest things I've come across. > > That's just odd. Have you tried disabling remote checks? Yes, the strace I sent in another post uses -L for local checks only. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Mon Jun 21 15:04:32 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin strace (WAS: Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl) In-Reply-To: <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40D73F50.1020209@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Whew! Well, it is hanging _AFTER_ completing all the SA tests, while entering the message back into the system. The set of write()'s just before it pauses is the filtered e-mail message. Check your /etc/hosts file and/or local DNS. This has the look of a DNS timeout looking up the local server name when receiving the e-mail back from SA. Josh Trutwin wrote: | On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:03:26 -0500 (CDT) | Daniel Taylor wrote: | | | |>Then use "strace spamc -c" and watch the output. |> |>Strace displays the system calls and will show if you are hanging on |>a DNS lookup or bad socket. It's a bit harder to interpret than most |>programs' debug output which is why I didn't recommend it first. | | | I did an strace on spamassassin itself as the spamd user, no spamc/spamd involved, it too behaves the same. | | There is a link to the strace file on my website: | | http://www.netbits.us/strace.txt | | It's long, but if you scroll to the very botton you can see where it sits for 4-5 minutes and does nothing. I'm not very proficient with strace (otherwise the idea to use it would have been my own!) so I'm not sure how to interpret the SIGWINCH stuff. Any thoughts? | | Thanks, | | Josh | | _______________________________________________ | TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org | Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Jun 21 16:26:56 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirecting stdin stdout stderr Message-ID: How would I start up a program and redirect all output, stdin, stdout and stderr, to a file? program >> program_output.log .... can someone explain what the 2>&1 stuff means, or give me a link somewhere. That would probably solve my problems also. I don't really understand the redirection that well, or which 2/1/0 are. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Jun 21 16:44:39 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirecting stdin stdout stderr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406211644.39463.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 21 June 2004 4:26 pm, Josh Close wrote: > How would I start up a program and redirect all output, stdin, stdout and > stderr, to a file? > > program >> program_output.log > > .... can someone explain what the 2>&1 stuff means, or give me a link > somewhere. That would probably solve my problems also. I don't really > understand the redirection that well, or which 2/1/0 are. This: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ioredirintro.html should get you started. In fact you could read that whole doc and end up a better person. ;-) Bret. > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Jun 21 16:56:23 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirecting stdin stdout stderr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040621215623.GA3857@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 04:26:56PM -0500, Josh Close wrote: > How would I start up a program and redirect all output, stdin, stdout > and stderr, to a file? > > program >> program_output.log > > .... can someone explain what the 2>&1 stuff means, or give me a link > somewhere. That would probably solve my problems also. I don't really > understand the redirection that well, or which 2/1/0 are. Assuming you're using the bash shell, the bash man page has decent documentation. Do a 'man bash', search for REDIRECTION. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Jun 21 23:45:44 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redirecting stdin stdout stderr References: Message-ID: <006a01c45813$c770fc30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Close writes: > How would I start up a program and redirect all output, stdin, stdout > and stderr, to a file? You wouldn't normally redirect stdin to a file, as stdin is standard input and is almost always used for reading. > program >> program_output.log A single > truncates the file. A double > (i.e. >>) appends to the file. > .... can someone explain what the 2>&1 stuff means, or give me a link > somewhere. That would probably solve my problems also. I don't really > understand the redirection that well, or which 2/1/0 are. The numbers are file descriptor (fd) numbers. 0 is stdin, 1 is stdout (standard output) and 2 is stderr (standard error). If you use the C standard library, then the stdin, stdout and stderr variables correspond to those file descriptors (see stdin(3) or stdio(3)). A file descriptor is used with the lower level functions, such as read(2), write(2), fstat(2), etc., or can be used with fdopen(3). (The above notation references man pages in a given section. stdio(3) means the stdio man page in section 3, accessed by running "man 3 stdio". See "man man" for more details.) The syntax 2>&1 means to redirect fd 2 to fd 1. More specifically, it creates a copy of fd 1 onto fd 2, likely using dup2(2). The order is important. See REDIRECTION in the bash man page for a more complete explanation. File descriptors are something that won't make a lot of sense until you understand C programming and the POSIX API. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jun 22 00:48:45 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200406220548.i5M5mjx29223@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: liquidation sale Everything must go! Computer salvage business, going out of business sale. Make an offer and it is yours. Buy more, pay less. ----- Items include: Mac 8600/9600 towers Dell Pentium (mmx,pro, II) towers Fibre channel disk shelves NetApp F760 (600Mhz alpha w/1G reg RAM)*2 Full size racks misc cables and cords sun/mac/pc keyboards and mice SGI indy and O2 machines SUN hardware monitors of various types/sizes various sys admin books general misc paraphernalia Contact me off list if you are interested in browsing the collection. I will be having a public estate sale weekend after next (including non-computer related items). First come, first served. No reasonable offer refused. Seller Email address: drunk at beer dot tclug dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jun 22 07:46:09 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess to restrict by interface? References: <40D6FF23.9040402@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <001b01c45856$e4930a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matt Murphy writes: > Folks, I want to set up a few directories like phpmyadmin, that will > allow me to get in on the local IP address, but not allow people to > connect from the internet. I've tried several syntaxes according to > the documentation I can find, but they don't seem to work. Can > someone tell me what my .htaccess files need to look like? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_access.html Order Deny,Allow Deny from all Allow from 192.168.0.0/16 -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Jun 22 08:35:01 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin strace (WAS: Debian + SpamAssassin + Perl) In-Reply-To: <40D73F50.1020209@argle.org> References: <20040619130604.00004a12@schubert> <20040621142000.00005285@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <40D73F50.1020209@argle.org> Message-ID: <20040622083501.00004386@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0500 Daniel Taylor wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Whew! > Well, it is hanging _AFTER_ completing all the SA tests, while > entering the message back into the system. > > The set of write()'s just before it pauses is the filtered e-mail > message. > > Check your /etc/hosts file and/or local DNS. This has the look > of a DNS timeout looking up the local server name when receiving the > e-mail back from SA. Interesting, I had in fact made a recent change to /etc/hosts so hostname --fqdn would work. This looks ok though doesn't it? # more /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 65.17.208.220 www.fastconcepts.net fastconcepts # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts # (added automatically by netbase upgrade) #::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback #fe00::0 ip6-localnet #ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix #ff02::1 ip6-allnodes #ff02::2 ip6-allrouters #ff02::3 ip6-allhosts Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jun 22 09:24:13 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess to restrict by interface? In-Reply-To: <001b01c45856$e4930a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <40D6FF23.9040402@tc-tech.com> <001b01c45856$e4930a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <40D8410D.2010302@tc-tech.com> David Phillips wrote: Thanks, this is what I ended up with essentially. I've no idea what I was doing before that wasn't making it work, I think I was telling it it could satisfy any of the auth schemes. duh. Matt > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_access.html > > > Order Deny,Allow > Deny from all > Allow from 192.168.0.0/16 > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Tue Jun 22 09:45:19 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 10.0 released Message-ID: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Tuesday, June 22, 2004 @ 9:44:44 AM Central Standard Time ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ANNOUNCE.10_0 Announcing Slackware Linux 10.0! The first Slackware release of 2004, Slackware Linux 10.0 continues the more than ten-year Slackware tradition of simplicity, stability, and security. Among the many program updates and distribution enhancements, you'll find two of the most advanced desktop environments available today: GNOME 2.6.1 (including a collection of pre-compiled GNOME applications), and KDE 3.2.3, the latest version of the award-winning K Desktop Environment. Slackware uses the 2.4.26 kernel bringing you advanced performance features such as the ReiserFS journaling filesystem, SCSI and ATA RAID volume support, and kernel support for X DRI (the Direct Rendering Interface) that brings high-speed hardware accelerated 3D graphics to Linux. Additional kernels allow installing Slackware using any of the journaling filesystems available for Linux, including ext3, ReiserFS, IBM's JFS, and SGI's XFS. For those Slackware users who are anxious to try the new 2.6.x kernel series, it is fully supported by the system. A precompiled Linux 2.6.7 kernel, modules, and source code are provided (along with complete instructions on how to install the new kernel). From the beginning, Slackware has offered a stable and secure Linux distribution for UNIX veterans as well as an easy-to-use system for beginners. Slackware includes everything you'll need to run a powerful server or workstation. Each Slackware package follows the setup and installation instructions from its author(s) as closely as possible, offering you the most stable and easily expandable setup. Here are some of the advanced features of Slackware 10.0: - Runs the 2.4.26 version of the Linux kernel from ftp.kernel.org. Special kernels were prepared to support hardware such as SCSI controllers, USB keyboards and mice, parallel-port IDE devices, IBM PS/2 machines with the Microchannel bus, and even speech synthesizers providing access to Linux for the visually impaired community. The performance of the 2.4.x kernel series along with Slackware's track record of careful attention to system security make it the perfect choice for running your production servers. - As an alternate choice, Slackware 10.0 includes Linux 2.6.7 source, kernel modules, and binary packages, along with a new mkinitrd tool and instructions on using it to install the new kernel (see /boot/README.initrd). When running a 2.6 kernel, Slackware supports udev. This is a system for creating devices in /dev dynamically, greatly reducing device clutter and making it easy to see what devices are actually present in the system. - System binaries are linked with the GNU C Library, version 2.3.2. This version of glibc has been patched to improve compatibility with existing binaries. - X11R6.7.0 This is the current release of the X.Org Foundation's X Window System based on XFree86 4.4.0RC2. The 6.7.0 version is a new release that includes additional hardware support, functional enhancements and bug fixes. Font rendering is improved yet again with recent versions of fontconfig and freetype. Through the generosity of Bitstream, Inc., the Vera truetype font family is included as well providing pleasing default fonts out of the box. - Major enhancements to the printing system include new versions of CUPS (1.1.20) and LPRng (3.8.27). The Ghostscript interpreter has been upgraded to ESP Ghostscript version 7.07.1 which offers several improvements over the GNU release of Ghostscript, including more drivers and better integration with CUPS. Two IJS servers (printer driver suites for Ghostscript) are available in this release: HPIJS, which supports more than 200 HP Inkjet printer models (compared with 60 supported in Slackware 9.1), and Gimp-Print, offering support for hundreds of printers from Canon, Lexmark, HP, Epson, and other manufacturers. - Installs gcc-3.3.4 as the default C, C++, Objective-C, Fortran-77, and Ada 95 compiler. gcc-3.4.0 is available as an alternate choice. - Support for fully encrypted network connections with OpenSSL, OpenSSH, and GnuPG. - Apache 1.3.31 web server with Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) support, SSL, and PHP. - PCMCIA, CardBus, and APM support for laptops. (pcmcia-cs-3.2.7). Slackware also now includes hotplug support. This locates and configures most hardware automatically as it is added (or removed) from the system. It also loads the kernel modules required by sound cards and other hardware at boot time. - New development tools, including Perl 5.8.4, Python 2.3.4, and graphical tools like Qt designer, KDevelop, and Glade. - Updated versions of the Slackware package management tools make it easy to add, remove, upgrade, and make your own Slackware packages. Package tracking makes it easy to upgrade from Slackware 9.1 to Slackware 10.0 (see UPGRADE.TXT). The slackpkg tool in /extra can also help update from an older version of Slackware to a newer one, and keep your Slackware system up to date. In addition, the new slacktrack utility (in extra/) will help you build and maintain your own packages. - Web browsers galore! Includes Netscape Communicator version 7.1, Konqueror 3.2.3, Mozilla 1.7 (with anti-aliased font support and built-in junk email filtering), Epiphany 1.2.6, and Galeon 1.3.15. - The complete K Desktop Environment (KDE) version 3.2.3, including the KOffice productivity suite, networking tools, GUI development with KDevelop, multimedia tools, the Konqueror web browser and file manager, dozens of games and utilities, international language support, and more. - The GNU Network Object Model Environment (GNOME) version 2.6.1 (this already includes many of the updates for the upcoming 2.6.2 release). - A collection of GTK based applications, including abiword-2.0.6, gaim-0.78, gimp-2.0.2, gkrellm-2.2.1, gxine-0.3.3, and pan-0.14.2.91. - Large repository of extra software packages compiled and ready to run. This includes various window managers, support for 3Dfx gaming cards, OpenMotif-2.2.2, the K3b CD burning application for KDE, libsafe (advanced buffer overflow protection for additional security), ISDN support, additional 802.11 drivers, and much more (see the /extra directory). - Many more improved and upgraded packages than we can list here. For a complete list of core packages in Slackware 10.0, see this file: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/PACKAGES.TXT - Another Slackware exclusive: Slackware's ZipSlack installation option is the fastest, _easiest_ Linux installation ever. ZipSlack provides a basic text-based Linux system as a 45 megabyte ZIP archive. Simply unzip on any FAT or FAT32 partition, edit your boot partition in the LINUX.BAT batch file, and you can be running Linux in less than five minutes. The ZipSlack installation includes everything you need to network with Linux (including Ethernet, token ring, and PPP), and extend the system with additional software packages such as X. A ZipSlack system will even fit on a Zip(TM) disk, so you can carry a personal Linux system with you to run on any PC with a Zip(TM) drive. Downloading Slackware 10.0: --------------------------- The full version of Slackware Linux 10.0 is available for download from the central Slackware FTP site hosted by our friends at www.cwo.com: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/ The ZipSlack version of Slackware can be downloaded from: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/zipslack/ If this site is busy, see the list of official mirror sites here: http://slackware.com/getslack/ We will be setting up BitTorrent downloads for the official ISO images. Stay tuned to http://slackware.com for the latest updates. Purchasing Slackware on CD-ROM: ------------------------------- Or, purchase the Slackware Linux 10.0 four CD-ROM set directly from Slackware Linux, and you'll be helping to support the continued development of Slackware Linux! This is the official release of Slackware on CD-ROM, and has many enhanced features, including: - Easy bootable CD-ROM installation. If your machine can boot a CD-ROM, just boot the first disc to begin the installation process. - Fully bootable live rescue CD-ROM -- just boot the second disc and run a basic Linux system off the disc, including networking tools. - The ZipSlack edition of Slackware Linux 10.0. - The source code used to build Slackware Linux 10.0. The price for the Slackware Linux CD-ROM set is $39.95 plus shipping. Slackware Linux is also available by subscription. When we release a new version of Slackware (which is typically once or twice a year) we ship it to you and bill your credit card $24.95 plus shipping. Shipping is $5 in the USA, Canada, and Mexico for First Class. Overseas is $9 PER ORDER. There is an additional $3 COD charge (USA Only). UPS Blue Label (2nd day) [USA Only] is $10 PER ORDER, UPS Red Label (next day) [USA Only] is $15 PER ORDER. Ordering Information: --------------------- You can order online at the Slackware Linux store: http://store.slackware.com Order inquiries (including questions about becoming a Slackware reseller) may be directed to this address: info@slackware.com Or, send a check or money order to: Slackware Linux, Inc. 1164 Claremont Drive Brentwood, CA 94513 USA Have fun! :^) --- Patrick J. Volkerding Visit us on the web at: http://slackware.com Message posted via: ===================== www.linuxpackages.net/forum www.linuxpackages.net Expanding the world of Slackware ===================== Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Jun 22 09:59:23 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 10.0 released In-Reply-To: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040622095923.0000724a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> I've been looking forward to this for quite a while, slackware rules! Now to find some ISOs.... Josh On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:19 -0500 B_o_B wrote: > Tuesday, June 22, 2004 @ 9:44:44 AM Central Standard Time > > ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ANNOUNCE.10_0 > > > Announcing Slackware Linux 10.0! > > The first Slackware release of 2004, Slackware Linux 10.0 continues > the more than ten-year Slackware tradition of simplicity, stability, > and security. > > Among the many program updates and distribution enhancements, you'll > find two of the most advanced desktop environments available today: > GNOME 2.6.1 (including a collection of pre-compiled GNOME > applications), and KDE 3.2.3, the latest version of the > award-winning K Desktop Environment. Slackware uses the 2.4.26 > kernel bringing you advanced performance features such as the > ReiserFS journaling filesystem, SCSI and ATA RAID volume support, > and kernel support for X > DRI (the Direct Rendering Interface) that brings high-speed hardware > accelerated 3D graphics to Linux. Additional kernels allow > installing > Slackware using any of the journaling filesystems available for > Linux, > including ext3, ReiserFS, IBM's JFS, and SGI's XFS. For those > Slackware users who are anxious to try the new 2.6.x kernel series, > it > is fully supported by the system. A precompiled Linux 2.6.7 kernel, > modules, and source code are provided (along with complete > instructions on how to install the new kernel). > > From the beginning, Slackware has offered a stable and secure Linux > distribution for UNIX veterans as well as an easy-to-use system for > beginners. Slackware includes everything you'll need to run a > powerful server or workstation. Each Slackware package follows the > setup and installation instructions from its author(s) as closely as > possible, offering you the most stable and easily expandable setup. > > Here are some of the advanced features of Slackware 10.0: > - Runs the 2.4.26 version of the Linux kernel from ftp.kernel.org. > Special kernels were prepared to support hardware such as SCSI > controllers, USB keyboards and mice, parallel-port IDE devices, > IBM PS/2 machines with the Microchannel bus, and even speech > synthesizers providing access to Linux for the visually impaired > community. The performance of the 2.4.x kernel series along with > Slackware's track record of careful attention to system security > make it the perfect choice for running your production servers. > > - As an alternate choice, Slackware 10.0 includes Linux 2.6.7 > source, kernel modules, and binary packages, along with a new > mkinitrd tool and instructions on using it to install the > new kernel (see /boot/README.initrd). When running a 2.6 > kernel, Slackware supports udev. This is a system for > creating devices in /dev dynamically, greatly reducing device > clutter and making it easy to see what devices are actually > present in the system. > > - System binaries are linked with the GNU C Library, version 2.3.2. > This version of glibc has been patched to improve compatibility > with existing binaries. > > - X11R6.7.0 > This is the current release of the X.Org Foundation's X Window > System based on XFree86 4.4.0RC2. The 6.7.0 version is a new > release that includes additional hardware support, functional > enhancements and bug fixes. Font rendering is improved yet > again with recent versions of fontconfig and freetype. Through > the generosity of Bitstream, Inc., the Vera truetype font family > is included as well providing pleasing default fonts out of the > box. > - Major enhancements to the printing system include new versions > of CUPS (1.1.20) and LPRng (3.8.27). The Ghostscript interpreter > has been upgraded to ESP Ghostscript version 7.07.1 which offers > several improvements over the GNU release of Ghostscript, > including more drivers and better integration with CUPS. Two IJS > servers(printer driver suites for Ghostscript) are available in > this release: HPIJS, which supports more than 200 HP Inkjet > printer models (compared with 60 supported in Slackware 9.1), and > Gimp-Print, offering support for hundreds of printers from Canon, > Lexmark, HP, Epson, and other manufacturers. > > - Installs gcc-3.3.4 as the default C, C++, Objective-C, Fortran-77, > and Ada 95 compiler. gcc-3.4.0 is available as an alternate > choice. > > - Support for fully encrypted network connections with OpenSSL, > OpenSSH, and GnuPG. > > - Apache 1.3.31 web server with Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) support, > SSL, and PHP. > > - PCMCIA, CardBus, and APM support for laptops. (pcmcia-cs-3.2.7). > Slackware also now includes hotplug support. This locates and > configures most hardware automatically as it is added (or removed) > from the system. It also loads the kernel modules required by > sound cards and other hardware at boot time. > > - New development tools, including Perl 5.8.4, Python 2.3.4, and > graphical tools like Qt designer, KDevelop, and Glade. > > - Updated versions of the Slackware package management tools make it > easy to add, remove, upgrade, and make your own Slackware > packages. Package tracking makes it easy to upgrade from Slackware > 9.1 to Slackware 10.0 (see UPGRADE.TXT). The slackpkg tool in > /extra can also help update from an older version of Slackware to > a newer one, and keep your Slackware system up to date. In > addition, the new slacktrack utility (in extra/) will help you > build and maintain your own packages. > - Web browsers galore! Includes Netscape Communicator version 7.1, > Konqueror 3.2.3, Mozilla 1.7 (with anti-aliased font support > and built-in junk email filtering), Epiphany 1.2.6, and Galeon > 1.3.15. > > - The complete K Desktop Environment (KDE) version 3.2.3, including > the KOffice productivity suite, networking tools, GUI development > with KDevelop, multimedia tools, the Konqueror web browser and > file manager, dozens of games and utilities, international > language support, and more. > > - The GNU Network Object Model Environment (GNOME) version 2.6.1 > (this already includes many of the updates for the upcoming 2.6.2 > release). > > - A collection of GTK based applications, including abiword-2.0.6, > gaim-0.78, gimp-2.0.2, gkrellm-2.2.1, gxine-0.3.3, and > pan-0.14.2.91. > > - Large repository of extra software packages compiled and ready to > run. This includes various window managers, support for 3Dfx > gaming > cards, OpenMotif-2.2.2, the K3b CD burning application for KDE, > libsafe (advanced buffer overflow protection for additional > security), ISDN support, additional 802.11 drivers, and much more > (see the /extra directory). > > - Many more improved and upgraded packages than we can list here. > For > a complete list of core packages in Slackware 10.0, see this file: > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/PACKAGES.TXT > - Another Slackware exclusive: Slackware's ZipSlack installation > option is the fastest, _easiest_ Linux installation ever. > ZipSlack provides a basic text-based Linux system as a 45 megabyte > ZIP > archive. > Simply unzip on any FAT or FAT32 partition, edit your boot > partition > in the LINUX.BAT batch file, and you can be running Linux in less > than five minutes. The ZipSlack installation includes everything > you > need to network with Linux (including Ethernet, token ring, and > PPP), and extend the system with additional software packages such > as > X. A ZipSlack system will even fit on a Zip(TM) disk, so you can > carry a personal Linux system with you to run on any PC with a > Zip(TM) drive. > > > Downloading Slackware 10.0: > --------------------------- > > The full version of Slackware Linux 10.0 is available for download > from > the central Slackware FTP site hosted by our friends at www.cwo.com: > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/ > > The ZipSlack version of Slackware can be downloaded from: > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.0/zipslack/ > > If this site is busy, see the list of official mirror sites here: > > http://slackware.com/getslack/ > > We will be setting up BitTorrent downloads for the official ISO > images. > Stay tuned to http://slackware.com for the latest updates. > > > Purchasing Slackware on CD-ROM: > ------------------------------- > > Or, purchase the Slackware Linux 10.0 four CD-ROM set directly from > Slackware Linux, and you'll be helping to support the continued > development of Slackware Linux! > > This is the official release of Slackware on CD-ROM, and has many > enhanced features, including: > > - Easy bootable CD-ROM installation. If your machine can boot a > CD-ROM, just boot the first disc to begin the installation > process. > - Fully bootable live rescue CD-ROM -- just boot the second disc > and > run a basic Linux system off the disc, including networking > tools. > - The ZipSlack edition of Slackware Linux 10.0. > - The source code used to build Slackware Linux 10.0. > > The price for the Slackware Linux CD-ROM set is $39.95 plus > shipping. > > Slackware Linux is also available by subscription. When we release > a new version of Slackware (which is typically once or twice a year) > we ship it to you and bill your credit card $24.95 plus shipping. > Shipping > is $5 in the USA, Canada, and Mexico for First Class. Overseas is > $9 PER ORDER. There is an additional $3 COD charge (USA Only). UPS > Blue > Label (2nd day) [USA Only] is $10 PER ORDER, UPS Red Label (next > day)[USA Only] is $15 PER ORDER. > > Ordering Information: > --------------------- > > You can order online at the Slackware Linux store: > http://store.slackware.com > > Order inquiries (including questions about becoming a Slackware > reseller) may be directed to this address: > info@slackware.com > > Or, send a check or money order to: > > Slackware Linux, Inc. > 1164 Claremont Drive > Brentwood, CA 94513 > USA > > > Have fun! :^) > > --- > Patrick J. Volkerding > > Visit us on the web at: http://slackware.com > > Message posted via: > ===================== > www.linuxpackages.net/forum > www.linuxpackages.net > Expanding the world of Slackware > ===================== > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > Lat. 45:09n > Long. 93:18w > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Tue Jun 22 09:50:28 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 10.0 release notes Message-ID: <188233002.20040622095028@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Tuesday, June 22, 2004 @ 9:50:10 AM Central Standard Time ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/RELEASE_NOTES Slackware 10.0 release notes. Mon Jun 21 23:54:30 PDT 2004 Hi everyone, This is Slackware 10.0, the third release of Slackware based on gcc3. Many things have been fixed and improved, but here are a few of the major changes: The installer utilizes the 2.4.26 kernel (this still provides the best performance on my own machines, and is also safer for partitioning hard drives). If you want to upgrade to the 2.6.7 kernel it is also included and the system will fully support it. See the README.initrd file in the testing/packages/linux-2.6.7/ directory for directions on upgrading the system to use 2.6.7 (or better yet, make it an alternate boot choice). GCC was upgraded to version 3.3.4, with version 3.4.0 in the /testing directory (because some source code out there is not yet compatible with gcc-3.4.0, but this is changing fast). Slackware now includes Sun's Java(TM) 2 Software Development Kit Standard Edition, Version 1.4.2_04 (thanks to Sun's redistribution license). The default sound system is now ALSA (the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture), which is also the default sound system in the Linux 2.6.x kernel. If you wish to use OSS instead, the modules are still available, but you'll need to remove the packages beginning with alsa- and remove the OSS modules from /etc/hotplug/blacklist. Both CUPS and LPRng are supported as printing systems. A number of command locations (like /usr/bin/lpr) are shared by these programs, and whichever package (cups or lprng) is installed last will "own" these symbolic links. While both systems work no matter which way the links are pointed, if you plan to use a spooling system you'll probably want to do two things. First, remove the one you're not going to use with removepkg. Next, reinstall the one you plan to use with installpkg. This will make sure the links are set correctly, and get the tools you won't be using out of the way. The system init files have been further streamlined while keeping their number small and structure easy to understand. IP addresses and other settings have been moved out of /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 into /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf. Most of the init scripts in /etc/rc.d that control network and other services may be enabled or disabled by setting them executable (or not) with chmod, and a new menu in the installer lets you choose the initial state for many of them. If you want your machine to come up on the network with no open ports at the first boot, that's easily possible. There is improved Linux hotplugging support. This takes over the job of configuring Cardbus cards (instead of pcmcia-cs, still used for non-Cardbus cards). However, this means that if you're used to configuring your card in /etc/pcmcia/, you'll need to set it up elsewhere. For example, the old way of configuring a Cardbus network card is by editing /etc/pcmcia/network.opts. Now you'll need to set up the IP in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf (or by running "netconfig") instead. To make matters more confusing, non-Cardbus PC cards continue to use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts! Even with the rough edges, the addition of Linux hotplug support is a major, major step forward. In most cases this new subsystem can probe for and detect every piece of PCI, Cardbus, and USB hardware connected to the machine and automatically load all the correct kernel modules. Very nice. NOTE: if the hotplugging subsystem causes problems at boot time, it can be skipped by passing the kernel a "nohotplug" flag on the kernel command line. It is highly recommended to use hotplug if possible. As more things are designed to use hotplug, trying to run without it becomes like trying to run with half a kernel (really, it is the user space portion of the kernel in many ways). If enabling hotplug causes your machine to crash or hang, odds are that it's loading a kernel module that your system doesn't agree with. If you can figure out which one it is (perhaps the logs will help), you'll be able to add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent hotplug from trying to load it. If you run into this and determine that a module needs to be listed, let me know so it can be considered here as well. Speaking of PC card support, we're no longer using the driver modules that come with the pcmcia-cs sources and have moved to the ones included with the Linux kernel source. Besides providing better PC card support, this will make things easier for people who like to keep up with the latest kernels. Wireless support is substantially better thanks to improved tools and drivers (including the linux-wlan-ng driver for Prism2 cards in the extra package collection), and Eric Hameleers work on supporting USB, PCI, and Cardbus wireless cards (/etc/rc.d/rc.wireless). Support for USB keyboards is now integrated into the installer. If USB device detection causes problems (it shouldn't), it may be skipped by passing the kernel a "nousb" flag at boot. In the event that the keyboard doesn't work right away when the install CD is booted, wait. It will boot automatically after two minutes without a keypress, and then the kernel should find your keyboard. Have fun! Pat Volkerding Message posted via: ===================== www.linuxpackages.net/forum www.linuxpackages.net Expanding the world of Slackware ===================== Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chipster at norlug.org Tue Jun 22 10:18:24 2004 From: chipster at norlug.org (Chip Cuccio) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 10.0 (not) released (yet) In-Reply-To: <20040622095923.0000724a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040622095923.0000724a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040622151824.GA32271@raider.norlug.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jun 22 11:28:29 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML issues Message-ID: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com> Hi folks, I'm having some trouble with basic HTML, and it's getting annoying. I've read all the documentation I can find, and I can't figure out how to do this... I have a form with a textarea that is taking input, and when I bring up this item again, I want that text to display in a non-editable area, and then I want to add new text to it through the textarea form. When I display the text in the same textarea, it's formatted fine, but when I try to display the text in the table as un-editable text, it loses line breaks, so it looks like a big run on sentence. How can I get this text to display properly, or add html line breaks wherever there are line breaks in the input when inserting? Thanks! -- Matt Murphy TC Tech _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Tue Jun 22 11:34:23 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 10.0 (not) released (yet) In-Reply-To: <20040622151824.GA32271@raider.norlug.org> References: <1456485398.20040622094519@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040622095923.0000724a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040622151824.GA32271@raider.norlug.org> Message-ID: <1233044764.20040622113423@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Tuesday, June 22, 2004 @ 11:31:55 AM Central Standard Time CC> * Josh Trutwin CC> |__ Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:59:23AM -0500: >> Now to find some ISOs.... CC> You won't quite yet. It's not quite officially released, believe it or not. CC> If the announcement isn't on yet, or if it doesn't CC> reflect in the ChangeLog [1] it isn't 'officially' released yet. The CC> 'ANNOUNCE.10_0' file is a result of Pat getting everything ready - so it's CC> getting darn close. CC> When the ISO's have been rolled, Pat will most likely post the torrents [2]. CC> References: CC> [1] CC> [2] Indeed. For the impatient, here are .iso's for pre-10.0 slack based on -current: ftp://inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Tue Jun 22 12:02:23 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML issues In-Reply-To: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com> References: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <40D8661F.1020403@visi.com> Change the newlines to
or

when you write it to the table cell. --rick Matt Murphy wrote: > > Hi folks, I'm having some trouble with basic HTML, and it's > getting annoying. I've read all the documentation I can find, and I > can't figure out how to do this... > > I have a form with a textarea that is taking input, and when I > bring up this item again, I want that text to display in a > non-editable area, and then I want to add new text to it through the > textarea form. When I display the text in the same textarea, it's > formatted fine, but when I try to display the text in the table as > un-editable text, it loses line breaks, so it looks like a big run on > sentence. > > How can I get this text to display properly, or add html line > breaks wherever there are line breaks in the input when inserting? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jun 22 11:58:21 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML issues In-Reply-To: <40D8661F.1020403@visi.com> References: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com> <40D8661F.1020403@visi.com> Message-ID: <40D8652D.7000704@tc-tech.com> Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > Change the newlines to
or

when you write it to the table cell. But I can't figure out how to tell where to insert the
's upon insert... is there a way to find line breaks in a string? search and replace? Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Jun 22 12:07:22 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML issues In-Reply-To: <40D8652D.7000704@tc-tech.com> References: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com> <40D8661F.1020403@visi.com> <40D8652D.7000704@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <20040622170722.GA12887@therub.org> On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 11:58:21AM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote: > Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > > >Change the newlines to
or

when you write it to the table cell. > > But I can't figure out how to tell where to insert the
's upon > insert... is there a way to find line breaks in a string? search and > replace? The string has \n's in it, but html ignores them. you need to either s/\n/
/ like Richard suggested. Or, an easier way, is to just print the string in 

 tags :)

dan

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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Tue Jun 22 12:03:53 2004
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] HTML issues
In-Reply-To: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com>
References: <40D85E2D.1070405@tc-tech.com>
Message-ID: <20040622120353.00002413@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp>

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:28:29 -0500
Matt Murphy  wrote:

> 
> 	Hi folks, I'm having some trouble with basic HTML, and it's
> 	getting 
> annoying. I've read all the documentation I can find, and I can't
> figure out how to do this...
> 
> 	I have a form with a textarea that is taking input, and when I
> 	bring up 
> this item again, I want that text to display in a non-editable area,
> and then I want to add new text to it through the textarea form.
> When I display the text in the same textarea, it's formatted fine,
> but when I try to display the text in the table as un-editable text,
> it loses line breaks, so it looks like a big run on sentence.
> 
> 	How can I get this text to display properly, or add html line
> 	breaks 
> wherever there are line breaks in the input when inserting?