From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Sat May 1 08:58:08 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QEMU CPU Emulator? In-Reply-To: <1083375977.10925.18.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> References: <1083375977.10925.18.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: <4093ACF0.9000802@mn.rr.com> Kelly Black wrote: >Has anybody tried this? >http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ > >Looks promising. I have been running other OS's (like OS/2 (don't ask) >under bochs (bochs.sf.net), but find it a bit slow). It looks like it >has been maturing rapidly lately to be able to handle a few host os's >and says it is "fast". Just wondering if anybody could share what they >found... > >>From initial trials of installs of other os's to disk images created >using bochs it seems to be many times faster. > >Thanks, > > I used to use os/2 for a bulletin board back in 1995. I was sad when os/2 fizzled out. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat May 1 14:21:03 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4093F89F.9020407@comcast.net> Chad, I've got an old machine with only one working IDE channel and 128Meg of RAM, perfect for a Smoothwall or similar Linux Firwall. Give me a shout if you need it, free. Todd Chad Walstrom wrote: > Just a heads-up for people out there using Comcast services. I received > a letter yesterday notifying me that they detected multiple computers > allocating IP addresses when I was authorized for only one. In the list > of suggested solutions they included using NAT (though they used more > luser terminology for it, of which I don't recall currently... > something to the effect of "go buy a firewall box at a local retailer"). > > Looks like I'll be trying to get my broken-ish P133 running again (if > possible) or I'll be browsing the TCLUG Classifieds for a suitable box. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat May 1 14:52:57 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: Want to Rent Subject: Two geeky roomates needed. There are two rooms available in a large duples in NE Minneapolis, close to the Quarry shopping complex. Benefits: 1 block away from #4 bus. Close to Holy Land Resturant. 3 blocks away from Rainbow Foods. Close to the Twin Citied Hookah Users Group. Rent is 350 USD per month plus 1/3 of utilities. Utilities will include some sort of broadband. Either DSL or cable. There is a washer and dryer in basement that is not coin operated. I prefer geeky roomates. With an emphasis on unix and unix-like systems. (Linux, BSD, OS X) Email me for details. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat May 1 15:10:36 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 02:52:57PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates [snip] > Email me for details. Again, why are we completely anonymizing the source of these advertisements? I thought the idea was to prevent spam crawlers, but that's was address obfuscation is for. Having some idea about who's selling items, or looking for a roommate without contacting them directly would be very nice. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat May 1 20:22:40 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> So how do you run multiple boxes on a Cable modem without NAT? It'll only serve up one IP address. Chad Walstrom said: > Just a heads-up for people out there using Comcast services. I received > a letter yesterday notifying me that they detected multiple computers > allocating IP addresses when I was authorized for only one. In the list > of suggested solutions they included using NAT (though they used more > luser terminology for it, of which I don't recall currently... > something to the effect of "go buy a firewall box at a local retailer"). > > Looks like I'll be trying to get my broken-ish P133 running again (if > possible) or I'll be browsing the TCLUG Classifieds for a suitable box. > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat May 1 20:56:51 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405020156.i421upl14986@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: ignore. test, ignore me. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat May 1 22:09:38 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040502030938.GT13143@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat May 1 22:17:54 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405020317.i423HsD16703@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Macintosh LCII Monitor (color) Pick it up and it's yours. poptix@poptix.net; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat May 1 22:57:31 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200405020317.i423HsD16703@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200405020317.i423HsD16703@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040502035731.GV13143@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat May 1 22:26:53 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot - difference in time with /bin/ls? Message-ID: <20040501222653.6d2bbb69@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> I've just noticed an oddity in one of my chroot jails. A logged in user does an ls -al and all the times are 5 hours into the future. If I list the same files as a non-chroot user (e.g. root) they are normal. Is there an env var that controls the timezone or something in /etc that I need in the chroot jail for correct timezone? Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat May 1 23:37:37 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040502035731.GV13143@autonomous.tv> References: <200405020317.i423HsD16703@crusader.real-time.com> <20040502035731.GV13143@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20040502043737.GF15983@momentum.poptix.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun May 2 00:00:29 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot - difference in time with /bin/ls? In-Reply-To: <20040501222653.6d2bbb69@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net>; from josh@trutwins.homeip.net on Sat, May 01, 2004 at 10:26:53PM -0500 References: <20040501222653.6d2bbb69@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040502000029.A29896@thinkunix.net> Josh Trutwin wrote: > I've just noticed an oddity in one of my chroot jails. A logged in user does an ls -al and all the times are 5 hours into the future. If I list the same files as a non-chroot user (e.g. root) they are normal. Is there an env var that controls the timezone or something in /etc that I need in the chroot jail for correct timezone? Did you include a /etc/localtime file in your jail? It sounds like the time in your jail is UTC (5 hours ahead of local US CDT time). -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat May 1 23:19:03 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot - difference in time with /bin/ls? In-Reply-To: <20040502000029.A29896@thinkunix.net> References: <20040501222653.6d2bbb69@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> <20040502000029.A29896@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040501231903.003ebf62@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:00:29 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I've just noticed an oddity in one of my chroot jails. A logged in user does an ls -al and all the times are 5 hours into the future. If I list the same files as a non-chroot user (e.g. root) they are normal. Is there an env var that controls the timezone or something in /etc that I need in the chroot jail for correct timezone? > > Did you include a /etc/localtime file in your jail? It sounds like the > time in your jail is UTC (5 hours ahead of local US CDT time). That did it! Saturday night and I'm playing with chroot jails. Sigh... Many thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun May 2 08:22:17 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> On Sat, 01 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Again, why are we completely anonymizing the source of these advertisements? > > I thought the idea was to prevent spam crawlers, but that's was address > obfuscation is for. Having some idea about who's selling items, or looking > for a roommate without contacting them directly would be very nice. That's how the app was written. I didn't write it, so don't look at me. If you want I suppose I could go in and have the email address added to the ad. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun May 2 11:00:03 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40951B03.6080004@visi.com> Please don't add the eMail address to the adds. IMHO If someone wants to put their eMail address in to the add that's their choice. Respond off list to mememe@yoyo.net Sam. Clay Fandre wrote: >On Sat, 01 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > >>Again, why are we completely anonymizing the source of these advertisements? >> >>I thought the idea was to prevent spam crawlers, but that's was address >>obfuscation is for. Having some idea about who's selling items, or looking >>for a roommate without contacting them directly would be very nice. >> >> > >That's how the app was written. I didn't write it, so don't look at >me. If you want I suppose I could go in and have the email address >added to the ad. > >-- Clay > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun May 2 16:05:45 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040502210545.GI15983@momentum.poptix.net> On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:22:17AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > That's how the app was written. I didn't write it, so don't look at > me. If you want I suppose I could go in and have the email address > added to the ad. I fixed it. =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun May 2 21:27:50 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Puppy Linux 0.8.5 USB booting problem [a solution] Message-ID: <200405030227.i432RoK25265@ecstasy1.winternet.com> A few days ago, I mentioned that I had a problem with the Puppy Linux 0.8.5 USB drive installation failing to boot. Puppy Linux uses syslinux 2.08 as its boot loader when booting from a USB drive. All manual attempts at (re)installing syslinux 2.08 as the boot loader on my USB pen drive failed: # syslinux /dev/sda1 msdos> syslinux.exe e: So, I booted a Knoppix live CD and did: # syslinux /dev/sda1 After installing syslinux using the syslinux executable on the Knoppix 02-16-2004 CD, the USB drive now boots Puppy Linux 0.8.5 just fine. The version of syslinux on the Knoppix CD is 2.04, so it appears that syslinux 2.08 is buggy or at least the binaries of it I used were. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sun May 2 22:00:00 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Puppy Linux 0.8.5 USB booting problem [a solution] In-Reply-To: <200405030227.i432RoK25265@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200405030227.i432RoK25265@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040503030000.GA31916@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:27:50PM -0500, Ken Fuchs wrote: > [...] > After installing syslinux using the syslinux executable on the Knoppix > 02-16-2004 CD, the USB drive now boots Puppy Linux 0.8.5 just fine. > > The version of syslinux on the Knoppix CD is 2.04, so it appears that > syslinux 2.08 is buggy or at least the binaries of it I used were. > I've had a similar issue with syslinux in the past (I forget which version) getting it to boot from a hard drive. It seems a little brittle. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon May 3 08:21:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040503132122.GA1227@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon May 3 09:08:11 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <20040502030938.GT13143@autonomous.tv> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040502030938.GT13143@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20040503140811.GC3267@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon May 3 09:19:00 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast is cracking down... In-Reply-To: <20040503140811.GC3267@wookimus.net> References: <20040430145822.GJ22168@wookimus.net> <1632.192.1.1.23.1083460960.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040502030938.GT13143@autonomous.tv> <20040503140811.GC3267@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1083593940.409654d4c0bb0@webmail.northlans.com> If you need a 486 (P83 overdrive) I have one that I'll give you. It would run smoothwall / IPcop. Quoting Chad Walstrom : > On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 10:09:38PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > I believe the business service offers multiple static IP's. Another > > work around is to route IP blocks from elsewhere using vtun or gre > > tunnels or the like. Of course, in order to do that, you need someone > > to bestow and IP block upon you :) > > I think I'll just build a NAT box. I didn't get around to it this > weekend, but should at least be able to decide whether the junk I have > laying around could become FrankenNAT. If not, I'll likely be calling > those people who offered up hardware (thanks, BTW). > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon May 3 09:30:06 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040502210545.GI15983@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> <20040502210545.GI15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I fixed it. =) Ah, you're the one that busted it? http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon May 3 10:46:28 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: References: <200405011952.i41JqvQ11011@crusader.real-time.com> <20040501201035.GB15983@momentum.poptix.net> <20040502132217.GB15560@fandre.com> <20040502210545.GI15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040503154628.GD2713@fandre.com> On Mon, 03 May 2004, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I fixed it. =) > > Ah, you're the one that busted it? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi Fixed. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon May 3 18:20:41 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta online photo gallery online Message-ID: <20040503232041.GZ18864@real-time.com> I'd like to open the tclug photo gallery for beta testing too. http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon May 3 18:20:26 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website Message-ID: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> I'm opening up the new tclug website for beta testing. http://plone.mn-linux.org Please report any bugs to be directly offlist. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon May 3 19:33:19 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta online photo gallery online In-Reply-To: <20040503232041.GZ18864@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, May 03, 2004 at 06:20:41PM -0500 References: <20040503232041.GZ18864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040503193319.A6433@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > I'd like to open the tclug photo gallery for beta testing too. > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery Looks good. I tried the slide show for some albums and it defaults to 3 seconds per page. I tried changing it to 5 seconds via the dropdown and it seemed to pick random values (4 seconds, 30 seconds, 10 seconds) as it went through the rests of the slide show. Not sure if this is a gallery issue or not. Tested from a Debian stable system with Mozilla 1.6 (tarball from mozilla.org). The plone site did seem really slow but what I looked at appeared to work. The gallery seemed pretty snappy though so maybe it's the app (plone) not the hardware that's slow. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon May 3 20:31:18 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website In-Reply-To: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> References: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040503203118.00002914@schubert> On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:26 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm opening up the new tclug website for beta testing. > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Please report any bugs to be directly offlist. Nice, Plone is pretty cool once you get the hang of it. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon May 3 21:28:36 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405040228.i442Sav14067@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Emulex LH5000 Fibre Hub Emulex Light Pulse LH5000 1Gb/s Managed Digital Fibre Hub. www.emulex.com Major Features • single 10 port or separate dual 5 port hub FC-AL configurations • cascade to support up to 126 active FC-AL devices • full duplex Fibre Channel 1.0625Gb/s transfers supported • supports all Fibre Channel classes of service (1, 2, 3 and intermixed) and all Fibre Channel protocol layers • maintains loop integrity by providing automatic bypass of unused and/or non-powered ports • SNMP, Telnet, Console and Web management • eliminates all signal jitter • automatic clock speed matching (digital re-timing) on all ports • isolates faulty nodes • performance- and fault-analysis and tuning I have 3 units, each unit has 2 fixed copper Fibre Channel interfaces and 8 GBIC interfaces. I have a total of 17 fiber GBIC moduules. Make offer for all or parts. Thanks jimstreitnorthlanscom; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Mon May 3 22:09:28 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. Message-ID: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> Greetings all, Thanks so much for all the help at the install...um...loadfest? Anyway, I've got Debian up on my old P1 box and on my thinkpad 560. On to the question. I'm trying to configure X with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4 4500 and an Acer 7133s monitor. I've broken my XF86Config file several times now and I'm getting used to it but I haven't had much success. Basically I can't get above 640x480. I've looked at the 3Dfx HOWTO, the XFree86 website and every conceivable Google search, so I'm not just wussing out here. Here's what I know. Some sites claim that the Voodoo4 and 5 use the same drivers. There is very little mention of the Voodoo4 specifically. The Glide drivers are said to work only with Voodoo 1&2 cards I've done apt-get install glide2-bin Here is some of my XF86Config-4 (ask if you need it all, just trying to be conservative) Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Screen 1" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Acer 7133S" VendorName "AAC" ModelName "5321" # HirizSync 31.0 - 40.0 # VertRefresh 50-90 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Voodoo4" VendorName "3dfx" Driver "tdfx" ChipSet "3dfx Voodoo5" # Option "UseFBDev" "true" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "Voodoo4" Monitor "Acer 7133S" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection Many Thanks, -- Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benbetts@charter.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon May 3 22:18:30 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website In-Reply-To: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> References: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040504031830.GA25687@nan2d.com> Hmm, is that a wiki? It looks pretty ... "cool" I guess :| On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 06:20:26PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm opening up the new tclug website for beta testing. > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Please report any bugs to be directly offlist. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon May 3 22:36:39 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website In-Reply-To: <20040503203118.00002914@schubert> References: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> <20040503203118.00002914@schubert> Message-ID: <200405032236.39942.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 03 May 2004 08:31 pm, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 2004 18:20:26 -0500 > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > I'm opening up the new tclug website for beta testing. > > > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > > > Please report any bugs to be directly offlist. > > Nice, Plone is pretty cool once you get the hang of it. > > Josh True enough. I admit to having the "hang of it" I've been working with and teaching Plone for a year now. I've currently got two classes using Plone 2 for projects. I'm willing to help out site development if you want it. Bob: What versions of Plone and Zope are you running? -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon May 3 23:18:58 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD hdparm equivelent Message-ID: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com> I have been using hdparm on Linux for some time now, and I find it usefull, but it would be alot more usefull if I could run some sort of a hdparm clone on my FreeBSD server to idle rarely-active disks (to prevent overheating). Does anyone know how to do this? Basically, I am trying to idle disks on a FreeBSD system, anyone know how? I have searched and searched, but cannot find anything but APM for FreeBSD laptop setups. Thanks! * hdparm - get/set hard disk parameters -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Tue May 4 08:11:33 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? Message-ID: <20040504131133.44799.qmail@web60008.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue May 4 08:28:22 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? In-Reply-To: <20040504131133.44799.qmail@web60008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue May 4 08:52:08 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? In-Reply-To: <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040504131133.44799.qmail@web60008.mail.yahoo.com> <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <61041.12.162.211.130.1083678728.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> Just registered last night. The URL is: http://www.strictlybusinessexpo.com Online registration at that URL. Jack > > It's definitely on, June 9-10, dunno anything else, try googling. > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Paul Schumacher > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:12 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? > > > Does anyone have the status of this show? Is it on? How to register? > > thanks, > > Paul Schumacher > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Tue May 4 08:49:05 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? In-Reply-To: <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <40979F51.308@cruiskeen.com> Matt Murphy wrote: > > It's definitely on, June 9-10, dunno anything else, try googling. > > Matt http://www.strictlyebusiness.net/sb/mpls/index.po _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 4 09:05:53 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD hdparm equivelent In-Reply-To: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com> References: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1083679552.9354.4.camel@unixws1> >From apm(4): Disk spin-down, LCD backlight control, and power on demand have not been supported on the current version. (This is in -stable). But I think there are kernel patches floating around to enable spin-down through a sysctl variable. You might try google (and groups) for "freebsd disk spin down", possibly with "patch". This may also have been rolled into -current within the last few months. You could try asking the experts on one of the FreeBSD mailing lists (IIRC, there is a freebsd-mobile list) On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 23:18, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > I have been using hdparm on Linux for some time now, and I find it usefull, but > it would be alot more usefull if I could run some sort of a hdparm clone on my > FreeBSD server to idle rarely-active disks (to prevent overheating). Does anyone > know how to do this? > > Basically, I am trying to idle disks on a FreeBSD system, anyone know how? I > have searched and searched, but cannot find anything but APM for FreeBSD laptop > setups. > > Thanks! > > * hdparm - get/set hard disk parameters _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue May 4 09:16:34 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD hdparm equivelent In-Reply-To: <1083679552.9354.4.camel@unixws1> References: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com> <1083679552.9354.4.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040504141634.GA57051@nan2d.com> thanks. i'll register in mnbug-list then and ask. i didnt even know one exists. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue May 4 09:28:55 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High speed internet In-Reply-To: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> (Carl Lindholm's message of "Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:42:57 -0500") References: <40880421.8020101@onvoymail.com> Message-ID: Carl Lindholm writes: > Does anyone out there recommend Qwest dsl for internet. Is there an > alternative? I've had Qwest DSL since I believe 1999, quite happily. They were very much the cheapest option for what I wanted at the time -- 768k symmetric. Price has fallen since then. I'm a business customer, so I haven't been palmed off on MSN. Then again, I don't use many ISP services from them; just IP connectivity and news and reverse DNS for my static IPs, I do everything else myself. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue May 4 09:32:31 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD hdparm equivelent References: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com><1083679552.9354.4.camel@unixws1> <20040504141634.GA57051@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <001001c431e4$a2118c20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andrei Bazhgin writes: > thanks. i'll register in mnbug-list then and ask. > i didnt even know one exists. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html Try freebsd-mobile, then freebsd-questions. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue May 4 09:34:22 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD hdparm equivelent In-Reply-To: <20040504141634.GA57051@nan2d.com>; from after@nan2d.com on Tue, May 04, 2004 at 09:16:34AM -0500 References: <20040504041858.GA31901@nan2d.com> <1083679552.9354.4.camel@unixws1> <20040504141634.GA57051@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040504093422.A27575@thinkunix.net> Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > thanks. i'll register in mnbug-list then and ask. > i didnt even know one exists. there's also a local TCBUG list http://www.tcbug.org/ I've been to a few of their meetings, very smart *BSD folks usually attend. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue May 4 11:21:12 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency Message-ID: <4097C2F8.4090906@structural-wood.com> I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with another package. Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. To somewhat limit alternative suggestions. 1) Ximians openoffice is *very* nice looking - much nicer than the stock openoffice 2) I like rpm's 3) I like apt 4) I don't use cups because I've got a huge amount of infrastructure built around lprng 5) Ximians openoffice runs absolutely peachy with lprng and without cups 6) I can't just do a --nodeps, because that will forever after break apt-get 7) Doing a rebuild off the source rpm is apparently not doable. I estimate that the universe reaches thermal equilibrium just about the time the 5e12'th error is spewed from the rebuild process. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue May 4 11:40:18 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency Message-ID: It may be easier to create a bogus ximian cups package that provides the missing dependency and is otherwise empty, but that may mess with your rpm db in ways you may not like. *shrug* >>> kent@structural-wood.com 05/04/04 11:21AM >>> I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with another package. Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. To somewhat limit alternative suggestions. 1) Ximians openoffice is *very* nice looking - much nicer than the stock openoffice 2) I like rpm's 3) I like apt 4) I don't use cups because I've got a huge amount of infrastructure built around lprng 5) Ximians openoffice runs absolutely peachy with lprng and without cups 6) I can't just do a --nodeps, because that will forever after break apt-get 7) Doing a rebuild off the source rpm is apparently not doable. I estimate that the universe reaches thermal equilibrium just about the time the 5e12'th error is spewed from the rebuild process. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue May 4 11:50:05 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce Message-ID: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> Hello, Anyone have any good or bad experiences/opinions to share on OSCommerce? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue May 4 12:24:33 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce In-Reply-To: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040504122433.00007278@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 04 May 2004 11:50:05 -0500 "Ben Bargabus" wrote: > Hello, > Anyone have any good or bad experiences/opinions to share on > OSCommerce? Thanks, A while back I tried it and it just didn't want to work, I've heard others have better luck. I personally use x-cart (http://www.x-cart.com) instead, it's something like $100.00 for a license that never expires, but it's worked pretty well. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Tue May 4 12:29:52 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce In-Reply-To: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <4097D310.1040505@bethel.edu> Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > Anyone have any good or bad experiences/opinions to share on OSCommerce? > Thanks, > Ben. I've used it a little for a very basic online store. It works will, and the credit card auth module works great with authorize.net. However...it's not themable. This is a huge problem, as it makes it very difficult to customize the look/feel. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Tue May 4 12:26:44 2004 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <022801c431fc$f8e47d60$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> May I suggest using x-cart instead.... Oscommerce is nice put if you want to customize the look and feel it can be a real bear. x-cart however is based on the SMARTY template system and is very easy to custimize. It costs $185 but worth every penny! That 185 includes 90 days of tech support too! -Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Bargabus" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce > Hello, > Anyone have any good or bad experiences/opinions to share on OSCommerce? > Thanks, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue May 4 12:38:15 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weird VMWare mouse thinngie Message-ID: Hey guys, Ok, I can't find anything useful about this... figured I'd try here... I've got several machines with VMWare on them. One one single machine, VMWare will occasionally go absolutely bonkers with the mouse when you go back into the VM part - it'll freak out all over the HOST machine, running around moving things, clicking on things and generally making a huge mess of my desktop. This only happens on one machine, which by strange coincidence is the only machine I have with a PS/2 mouse, and also the only machine with dual-head. Is this happening to anyone else?... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue May 4 12:56:43 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] swatch regex help Message-ID: <20040504125643.00006f39@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Ok, I have an apache error log that I want to put under swatch log monitoring, basically I want to get an email any time there is an error and I am not logged in under http authentication (my username is trutwijd). So I want a regex like: match on: /Anything that doesn't contain "trutwijd"/ I tried these: watchfor /^trutwijd/ watchfor /.*^trutwijd.*/ But neither works, they seem to not match anything. This should match: [Tue May 04 11:38:25 2004] [error] [client 64.83.223.150] user tclug: authentication failure for "/private": Password Mismatch This should not (because it's just me after all): [Tue May 04 11:38:25 2004] [error] [client 64.83.223.150] user trutwijd: authentication failure for "/private": Password Mismatch Any suggestions, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue May 4 13:12:47 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce, X-Cart too References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> <022801c431fc$f8e47d60$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: <4097DD1F.9E3BF03D@ppdonline.com> Based on some of the initial feedback I've taken a quick look at x-cart as well and it seems to be a good product for a decent price. I'd like to hear some more feedback from other x-cart users out there too. Thanks again, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue May 4 14:08:43 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] OSCommerce, X-Cart too In-Reply-To: <4097DD1F.9E3BF03D@ppdonline.com> References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> <022801c431fc$f8e47d60$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> <4097DD1F.9E3BF03D@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040504140843.000040a7@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:12:47 -0500 "Ben Bargabus" wrote: > Based on some of the initial feedback I've taken a quick look at > x-cart as well and it seems to be a good product for a decent price. > I'd like > to hear some more feedback from other x-cart users out there too. I marked this Off Topic as it's not really Linux related... I've used x-cart for about 6 different storefronts with different degrees of success. The nice thing is that if you want to buy another license I think the price goes down to about $85.00. They sell a lot of optional modules and extra crap that you probably don't need and can usually get by with their x-cart gold package. Their website is pretty good about what each product they sell supports. First off, don't buy anything more than the license, if you ask them questions chances are they will sell you customization services but for really high rates. If that becomes an issue, talk to me and I'll do it for 1/2. :) It's a PhP / MySQL only app, no support for other dbms's. Generally installation is pretty easy, create a mysql database and user, run the install wizard over the web. Most customization is done through an administrative interface. The brunt of the work is in figuring out their templating system. It's not too hard, but it does take a few tries to get used to. There is a master CSS file for global color/font settings and then a ton of template files for pieces of the interface. They have a "Webmaster Mode" which allows you to see each template file as you hover your mouse over sections of the page. Then you can find the template in a popup window, click on it and get brought to an edit interface. If you understand HTML you should be just fine. You do get the source when you buy the license, and you can modify it to your liking. I had to do this on one of the sites that required adding additional mysql tables to support the amount of data my client had on each product and I had to complete rip out x-carts search interface and write my own because of this. It wasn't horrible, but it certainly wasn't enjoyable. Adding products is pretty simple, you can add one at a time or in batch if the data is in a text file or something. The vendor releases patches, but never sends you an email when they are released which is annoying so you have to frequently check for patches. Patching the software to the latest version is easy as long as you haven't made many customizations, it's also web based. That's enough for now, if you have more questions, feel free to contact me. I'm not sure, but I might be able to get you a lower price through a reseller program. Here are a couple sample sites I've done (keep in mind these are not my designs, so if you want to puke, don't blame me!) http://www.lbow.com/store/ http://www.isaksenpromotions.com/medallion/store/ http://www.isaksenpromotions.com/stthomas/store/ http://www.inkjetdepotusa.com/store/ Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Tue May 4 14:56:10 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? In-Reply-To: <000501c431db$abc91f20$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040504195610.709.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue May 4 15:21:01 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> Thanks Troy - you made me start thinking out of the box... My solution was to replace the string gnome-cups-manager with XFree86-base-fonts in the rpm using a hex editor. rpm then whined about the md5 digest and the signature, but I was able to bypass those using the --nodigest --nosignature arguments. apt is happy, rpm is happy, I am happy. And yes, this was horribly ugly (which makes me happy) Troy.A Johnson wrote: > It may be easier to create a bogus > ximian cups package that provides > the missing dependency and is > otherwise empty, but that may mess > with your rpm db in ways you may > not like. *shrug* > > >>>>kent@structural-wood.com 05/04/04 11:21AM >>> > > I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous > dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with > another > package. > > Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous > dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. > > To somewhat limit alternative suggestions. > > 1) Ximians openoffice is *very* nice looking - much nicer than the stock > openoffice > > 2) I like rpm's > > 3) I like apt > > 4) I don't use cups because I've got a huge amount of infrastructure > built around lprng > > 5) Ximians openoffice runs absolutely peachy with lprng and without cups > > 6) I can't just do a --nodeps, because that will forever after break > apt-get > > 7) Doing a rebuild off the source rpm is apparently not doable. I > estimate > that the universe reaches thermal equilibrium just about the time the > 5e12'th > error is spewed from the rebuild process. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue May 4 14:28:34 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Srictly Bussiness Show ??? In-Reply-To: <20040504131133.44799.qmail@web60008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040504131133.44799.qmail@web60008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040504192833.GE22511@fandre.com> Like I announced a few weeks ago, the TCLUG will be having a booth at the Expo again this year. More information about the expo can be found on the TCLUG website. I'll post the booth number as soon as I get it. http://www.mn-linux.org BTW, I am still looking for volunteers to man the booth. Let me know if you're interested. -- Clay On Tue, 04 May 2004, Paul Schumacher wrote: > Does anyone have the status of this show? Is it on? How to register? > > thanks, > > Paul Schumacher > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Tue May 4 15:37:59 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] swatch regex help In-Reply-To: <20040504125643.00006f39@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040504125643.00006f39@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <1083703079.2619.4.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Have you tried: ignore /trutwijd/ On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 12:56, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Ok, > > I have an apache error log that I want to put under swatch log monitoring, basically I want to get an email any time there is an error and I am not logged in under http authentication (my username is trutwijd). So I want a regex like: > > match on: /Anything that doesn't contain "trutwijd"/ > > I tried these: > > watchfor /^trutwijd/ > watchfor /.*^trutwijd.*/ > > But neither works, they seem to not match anything. > > This should match: > > [Tue May 04 11:38:25 2004] [error] [client 64.83.223.150] user tclug: authentication failure for "/private": Password Mismatch > > This should not (because it's just me after all): > > [Tue May 04 11:38:25 2004] [error] [client 64.83.223.150] user trutwijd: authentication failure for "/private": Password Mismatch > > Any suggestions, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue May 4 15:54:51 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> References: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> For completeness, apt was not happy. Any time I queried the rpm db I got a complaint about an invalid signature. I did a rpm --rebuilddb, and rpm dumped the record for ximians openoffice. The rpm is still installed, it's just not being tracked by rpm. I guess the next step is to bdiff the original rpm with my hacked rpm and hex edit the signature. This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the dependency info of an rpm. Entertainingly enough, the documents for rpmlib are out of sync with the actual library, and the sole rpmlib example doesn't compile because the API has changed radically. Kent Schumacher wrote: > Thanks Troy - you made me start thinking out of the box... > > My solution was to replace the string > > gnome-cups-manager with > XFree86-base-fonts > > in the rpm using a hex editor. rpm then whined about the md5 > digest and the signature, but I was able to bypass those using > the --nodigest --nosignature arguments. > > apt is happy, rpm is happy, I am happy. > > And yes, this was horribly ugly (which makes me happy) > > Troy.A Johnson wrote: > >> It may be easier to create a bogus ximian cups package that provides >> the missing dependency and is otherwise empty, but that may mess >> with your rpm db in ways you may not like. *shrug* >> >> >>>>> kent@structural-wood.com 05/04/04 11:21AM >>> >> >> >> I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous >> dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with >> another >> package. >> >> Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous >> dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. >> >> To somewhat limit alternative suggestions. >> >> 1) Ximians openoffice is *very* nice looking - much nicer than the stock >> openoffice >> >> 2) I like rpm's >> >> 3) I like apt >> >> 4) I don't use cups because I've got a huge amount of infrastructure >> built around lprng >> >> 5) Ximians openoffice runs absolutely peachy with lprng and without cups >> >> 6) I can't just do a --nodeps, because that will forever after break >> apt-get >> >> 7) Doing a rebuild off the source rpm is apparently not doable. I >> estimate >> that the universe reaches thermal equilibrium just about the time the >> 5e12'th >> error is spewed from the rebuild process. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Tue May 4 16:16:58 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate =?iso-8859-1?q?a=09dependency?= In-Reply-To: <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> References: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200405041616.58150.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 04 May 2004 3:54 pm, Kent Schumacher wrote: > For completeness, apt was not happy. Any time I queried the rpm > db I got a complaint about an invalid signature. I did a > rpm --rebuilddb, and rpm dumped the record for ximians openoffice. > > The rpm is still installed, it's just not being tracked by rpm. > > I guess the next step is to bdiff the original rpm with my > hacked rpm and hex edit the signature. > > This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the > dependency info of an rpm. > Why don't you just run this: rpm -ivh --justdb gnome-cups-manager(whatever).rpm Would that work? Bret. > Entertainingly enough, the documents for rpmlib are out of sync > with the actual library, and the sole rpmlib example doesn't > compile because the API has changed radically. > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Thanks Troy - you made me start thinking out of the box... > > > > My solution was to replace the string > > > > gnome-cups-manager with > > XFree86-base-fonts > > > > in the rpm using a hex editor. rpm then whined about the md5 > > digest and the signature, but I was able to bypass those using > > the --nodigest --nosignature arguments. > > > > apt is happy, rpm is happy, I am happy. > > > > And yes, this was horribly ugly (which makes me happy) > > > > Troy.A Johnson wrote: > >> It may be easier to create a bogus ximian cups package that provides > >> the missing dependency and is otherwise empty, but that may mess > >> with your rpm db in ways you may not like. *shrug* > >> > >>>>> kent@structural-wood.com 05/04/04 11:21AM >>> > >> > >> I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous > >> dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with > >> another > >> package. > >> > >> Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the > >> gratuitous dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. > >> > >> To somewhat limit alternative suggestions. > >> > >> 1) Ximians openoffice is *very* nice looking - much nicer than the stock > >> openoffice > >> > >> 2) I like rpm's > >> > >> 3) I like apt > >> > >> 4) I don't use cups because I've got a huge amount of infrastructure > >> built around lprng > >> > >> 5) Ximians openoffice runs absolutely peachy with lprng and without cups > >> > >> 6) I can't just do a --nodeps, because that will forever after break > >> apt-get > >> > >> 7) Doing a rebuild off the source rpm is apparently not doable. I > >> estimate > >> that the universe reaches thermal equilibrium just about the time > >> the 5e12'th > >> error is spewed from the rebuild process. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue May 4 17:41:22 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSCommerce In-Reply-To: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> References: <4097C9BD.8D37D84@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040504224122.GA22961@nan2d.com> Yes, I used this. It required me to hack it up a bit to get the results that I and my "client" wanted. Fortunetely, I have been programming in PHP for a long time, so it is pretty trivial to edit the code. I suppose its alright for basic stores. If you dont know PHP, then dont assume that it will be flexible enough to be customized to a high degree. Some features can be removed in the administration/configuration area. If I needed to remove a feature (like user reviews) that was not easely removable in the admin page, then I would need to edit the PHP myself. On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 11:50:05AM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > Anyone have any good or bad experiences/opinions to share on OSCommerce? > Thanks, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlsonp at simpson.edu Tue May 4 10:23:54 2004 From: carlsonp at simpson.edu (carlsonp) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? Message-ID: <4087F5E2@Red2> Hello. I just joined this mailing list and look forward to attending the next installfest if I can make it. I was just wondering what other linux groups or computing groups are around the Twin Cities? I would prefer that they be free as I am a poor college student. :) Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue May 4 21:17:30 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian Message-ID: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Tue May 4 22:27:35 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jon Schewe wrote: > This is with mail in the shadow group so that it should be able to read > /etc/shadow, but that doesn't appear to be working. I'd think the pam > solution would work, but it doesn't seem to be able to authenticate me. > Check into using sasl with Exim. It will not only let you tie into PAM authentication, but most any other auth method you might choose. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue May 4 22:40:26 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loading the complete OS into RAM In-Reply-To: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> References: <408C1029.2020705@esox.us> Message-ID: <1083728424.19627.52.camel@bigtime> On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 14:23, Dave Erickson wrote: > I've done a bit of searching and haven't come up with much but what I > was wondering is: can a person load an entire OS into RAM from the HDD > or network and then use a sync program to write updates to the disk but > actually run the whole thing in ram? > > What advantage would there be as far as actual speed increases? I would > guess the performance increase could be dramatic as there would be no > need to go to the HDD at all. > > I just upgraded to 1 GB of RAM in my desktop computer and started > wondering.... Completely unnecessary, linux is already smarter than this. All otherwise unused ram is used for block caching. All recently read blocks are stored in RAM, this includes programs, data, everything. Beware, I was having overheating problems a while back, when I upgraded to 512mb RAM, ~256mb was used for cache, that means you can loose a LOT of data if your machine hardlocks for some reason. If you're hardware's at all flakey or you're playing with a new untested kernel driver, get in the habit of typing 'sync' a lot... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 4 22:57:11 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Wed May 5 01:50:59 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weird VMWare mouse thinngie References: Message-ID: <007701c4326d$6d020710$6501a8c0@homer> Possibly have something to do with "acceleration"? Possibly try turning it off - either in the host or the guest OS. I seem to recall something like this... Sorry I'm not more help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Weird VMWare mouse thinngie > Hey guys, > > Ok, I can't find anything useful about this... figured I'd try here... > > I've got several machines with VMWare on them. > > One one single machine, VMWare will occasionally go absolutely bonkers > with the mouse when you go back into the VM part - it'll freak out all > over the HOST machine, running around moving things, clicking on things > and generally making a huge mess of my desktop. > > This only happens on one machine, which by strange coincidence is the only > machine I have with a PS/2 mouse, and also the only machine with > dual-head. > > Is this happening to anyone else?... > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed May 5 07:07:28 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed May 5 07:53:13 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <200405050753.13566.barnabas@knicknack.net> On Tuesday 04 May 2004 21:17, Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm running debian woody on a server and I'm getting tired of keeping > the host_accept_relay variable in exim up to date. So I'd like to do > smtp auth on that server. I also want the traffic to be encrypted, so > passwords aren't sniffed and I want it to use the unix passwords for > authentication, shadow passwords. I'm currently using exim, since that > was the default install, but I'm willing to switch MTAs if required, as > long as it works. I'd also like to stick with standard debian packages > because otherwise things can get hard to maintain. > > I've tried setting up the plain and login settings using the following > server_conditions: > #server_condition = "${if > crypteq{$2}{${extract{1}{:}{${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/shadow}{$value}{*:*}}} >}}{1}{0}}" server_condition = "${if pam {$1:$2}{yes}{no}}" > > This is with mail in the shadow group so that it should be able to read > /etc/shadow, but that doesn't appear to be working. I'd think the pam > solution would work, but it doesn't seem to be able to authenticate me. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. Jon, I've never been able to get Exim to authenticate using PAM. My understanding is that the process that tries to use PAM to authenticate passwords must be running as root and I choose not to run it as root (partly because that's the default for Fedora). There are supposedly patches available to Exim that make it work with PAM, but I've never succeeded getting them to work. I've only ever seen /etc/shadow with mode 400, owned by root. Is it different on Debian? If not, then adding mail to the shadow group wouldn't make any difference. What I have had sucess with (and am currently doing) is authenticating users in Exim against LDAP (actually ldaps). I have also used NIS in the past, but don't anymore due to its insecurites. If LDAP is the route you'd like to go, I'd be happy to share my authenticators with you. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 5 08:10:20 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <4087F5E2@Red2> References: <4087F5E2@Red2> Message-ID: <20040505081020.000056bd@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 4 May 2004 10:23:54 -0500 carlsonp wrote: > Hello. I just joined this mailing list and look forward to > attending the next installfest if I can make it. I was just > wondering what other linux groups or computing groups are around the > Twin Cities? I would prefer that they be free as I am a poor > college student. :) Thanks in advance. TCPHP (Twin Cities PhP) - www.tcphp.org TCWebDev (Twin Cities Web Developers) - www.tcwebdev.org TCOUG (Twin Cities Oracle Group) - www.tcoug.org TCSA (Twin Cities Systems Administrators) - www.tcsa.org There are more listed here: http://www.mn-linux.org/othergroups/ I also occasionally hang out at MnIPS (Minnesota Information Professional Society) meetings which are sometimes pretty interesting: www.mnips.org. A friend of mine was running this: http://www.icntc.org/ but it seems to have gone stale. Have fun, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 5 08:15:47 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] swatch regex help In-Reply-To: <1083703079.2619.4.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> References: <20040504125643.00006f39@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1083703079.2619.4.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040505081547.00000eb4@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 04 May 2004 15:37:59 -0500 Gregory Siems wrote: > Have you tried: > ignore /trutwijd/ Doh, I swear I read the manpage. It looks like you can combine with watchfor right, so this would work: watchfor /401/ ignore /trutwijd/ mail addresses=josh@trutwins.homeip.net,subject=HELP! Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed May 5 08:42:11 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: smtp auth and debian References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: > define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A')dnl > TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl thats still not very human readable, try this for a change (postfix): smtpd_sasl2_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = smtpd_use_tls = yes smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/newreq.pem smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/newcert.pem smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem i dunno about you guys, but i would rather not use a translator when talking to my computers. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed May 5 09:00:13 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <4098F36D.1020208@igi.com> I use postfix for this type of mail server. You can only authenticate if you have established a secure connection first. And here is my long winded answer. I may not have included everything needed but I included all I can remember right this moment. Good Luck. apt-get install postfix-tls sasl-bin Add the following to '/etc/postfix/main.cf' ## SMTP AUTH enable_sasl_authentication = yes broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, permit smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, check_relay_domains smtp_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, check_relay_domains ## TLS #client connections smtpd_use_tls = yes smtpd_enforce_tls = no smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/postfix-key.pem smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/postfix-crt.pem smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_starttls_timeout = 360s smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s smtpd_tls_wrappermode = no tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom #smtp server connections smtp_use_tls = yes smtp_enforce_tls = no smtp_starttls_timeout = 300s smtp_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s smtp_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/postfix-key.pem smtp_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/postfix-crt.pem smtp_tls_enforce_peername = yes #smtp_tls_loglevel = 2 smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes In '/etc/postfix/master.cf' uncomment the 2 lines below only used by postfix-tls if they are commented # only used by postfix-tls smtps inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes -o content_filter= 587 inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes -o content_filter= Make an '/etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf' mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN pwcheck_method: PAM auto_transition: false I believe you can use the default settings for pam smtp but for some reason I switched to using pwdfile module for pam, and I dont remember why. apt-get install libpam-pwdfile Put the following in to '/etc/pam.d/smtp' #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdfile.so pwdfile /etc/passwd account required /lib/security/pam_permit.so The following is a little hack shell script I wrote to generate the postfix ssl certificate files since I hate trying to remember how to do it each time I setup another server or refresh an expired cert. '/etc/postfix/makesslcerts.sh' #!/bin/sh # Description: a little shell script to aid in making ssl certis # Author: Jason Jorgensen # # Modify for your needs NAME="postfix" OPENSSL=`which openssl` TAR=`which tar` DATE=`which date` CURRENTDATE=`$DATE -u +%m.%d.%Y` COUNTRY="US" # Country - US, AU, UK, CA STATE="Minnesota" # State - MN, IA, CA, NY LOCALITY="Twin Cities" # City, Town, Village - Minneapolis, Mexico City, Moscow ORGANIZATION="Organization" # Organization, Company, Affiliate - Joe's Gas Station, The Tortilla Hut, UNIT="System Administration" # Organizational unit, Department - System Administration, Web Authoring, Administration #COMMONNAME=`hostname --fqdn` # Common Name, Host name of server - fully.qualified.domain.name of server hosting COMMONNAME="smtp.domain.com" # Common Name, Host name of server - fully.qualified.domain.name of server hosting EMAIL="sysadmin@domain.com" # Email address of authority for cert - sysadmin@bar.com, theboss@foo.org NONCA="$COUNTRY\n$STATE\n$LOCALITY\n$ORGANIZATION\n$UNIT\n$COMMONNAME\n$EMAIL\n\n\n" #generate some random data for server dd if=/dev/urandom of=$NAME.rand bs=1024 count=1 #global key $OPENSSL genrsa -rand $NAME.rand -out $NAME-key.pem 1024 echo -e $NONCA | $OPENSSL req -new -key $NAME-key.pem -out $NAME-ca.pem #self signed global cert $OPENSSL x509 -req -days 740 -in $NAME-ca.pem -signkey $NAME-key.pem -out $NAME-crt.pem #set correct permissions chown root:root $NAME-key.pem $NAME-ca.pem $NAME-crt.pem $NAME.rand chmod 400 $NAME-key.pem $NAME-ca.pem $NAME-crt.pem $NAME.rand #Make a backup if [ -e "$NAME-key.pem" ] && [ -e "$NAME-ca.pem" ] && [ -e "$NAME-crt.pem" ] && [ -e "$NAME.rand" ] then echo "*** Creation successful! ***" tar zcvf $NAME-$CURRENTDATE.tar.gz $NAME-key.pem $NAME-ca.pem $NAME-crt.pem $NAME.rand >/dev/null else echo "*** Creation FAILED, you will have to troubleshoot ***" fi exit; Jon Schewe wrote: >I'm running debian woody on a server and I'm getting tired of keeping >the host_accept_relay variable in exim up to date. So I'd like to do >smtp auth on that server. I also want the traffic to be encrypted, so >passwords aren't sniffed and I want it to use the unix passwords for >authentication, shadow passwords. I'm currently using exim, since that >was the default install, but I'm willing to switch MTAs if required, as >long as it works. I'd also like to stick with standard debian packages >because otherwise things can get hard to maintain. > >I've tried setting up the plain and login settings using the following >server_conditions: > #server_condition = "${if >crypteq{$2}{${extract{1}{:}{${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/shadow}{$value}{*:*}}}}}{1}{0}}" > server_condition = "${if pam {$1:$2}{yes}{no}}" > >This is with mail in the shadow group so that it should be able to read >/etc/shadow, but that doesn't appear to be working. I'd think the pam >solution would work, but it doesn't seem to be able to authenticate me. > >Thanks for any help you can provide. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed May 5 10:50:53 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weird VMWare mouse thinngie In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:38:15PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040505105053.I28688@real-time.com> On 05/04 12:38 , Yaron wrote: > One one single machine, VMWare will occasionally go absolutely bonkers > with the mouse when you go back into the VM part - it'll freak out all > over the HOST machine, running around moving things, clicking on things > and generally making a huge mess of my desktop. I myself have seen one case where vmware screwed up the host console settings. I think I was trying to boot Netware 6.5 in a VM, on VMWare 4.0.5. I think it would crash, and when it did that, screw up the display such that control keys didn't work. you never realize how much you use control keys, until they aren't there anymore. :) Apparently you need VMWare 4.5 to run Netware 6.x; and the upgrade fixed the problem. What version are you running, and can you upgrade? also, I'm told that vmware has its own Usenet server, where you can post your question... might be some more-informed people there. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Wed May 5 10:53:42 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40990E06.8040002@umn.edu> http://tcbug.org bsd user's group. their page is down now for some reason. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug.list at slushpupie.com Wed May 5 12:07:27 2004 From: tclug.list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help Message-ID: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Wed May 5 12:17:59 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help Message-ID: Do you have the correct ports open / forwarded? The default seems to be 6881+. http://dessent.net/btfaq/#ports ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Kline Sent: 5/5/2004 11:07:27 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help > Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The > documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on > how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? > > Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" > forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. > > Jay > > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Wed May 5 12:15:47 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help Message-ID: Google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bittorrent+faq&btnG=Google+Search Main issue is probably that your client is firewalled. If you open ports 6881-6889 (or higher) then you will be able to download from more people which equals faster speeds (see http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html ). Be sure you also don't have stale .torrent files. Bittorrent is different from many p2p apps, but it is also similar in that there have to be others sharing in order for a torrent to stay alive. Try www.suprnova.org for one...big torrent site. sk3tch ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Jay Kline Sent: Wed 5/5/2004 12:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use Debian Unstable. /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 15 'http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/torrent.html?info_hash=ea07c5d44f83e137578bfb4cc44aa2f2a4f086b3' On a side note. I think its alittle annoying that bittorrent has rate limiting for upload but not for download. But I did find a cool program that will rate limit any program called netbrake. So the full command I used was: /usr/bin/netbrake -r 100000000 /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 15 'http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/torrent.html?info_hash=ea07c5d44f83e137578bfb4cc44aa2f2a4f086b3' Jay Kline wrote: >Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The >documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on >how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? > >Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" >forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. > >Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed May 5 13:47:17 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <4087F5E2@Red2> References: <4087F5E2@Red2> Message-ID: <20040505133119.B47172@unix18.sihope.com> IIRC, there's a Unix Users of Minnesota group, but I've never checked them out. I know there's at least 1 Apple/Macintosh users of Minnesota group. But I hear it's just a bunch of pot-smoking, VW driving, long-haired, dirty hippies that just get together and sing about how the Mac is superior to every other computer in every way. That's right, I said they are dirty... ComputerLuser (okay, ComputerUser, published monthly and available at most libraries) last time I checked published a list of groups in Minnesota. Including the MN TRS-80 group. Ugh... The list is probably on their website as well, which might be www.computeruser.com. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 4 May 2004, carlsonp wrote: > Hello. I just joined this mailing list and look forward to attending the next > installfest if I can make it. I was just wondering what other linux groups or > computing groups are around the Twin Cities? I would prefer that they be free > as I am a poor college student. :) Thanks in advance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed May 5 14:35:59 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comment on Novell's Linux migratation web site Message-ID: http://www.novell.com/linux/migrate/ Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed May 5 14:38:53 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <20040505133119.B47172@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I know there's at least 1 Apple/Macintosh users of Minnesota group. But I > hear it's just a bunch of pot-smoking, VW driving, long-haired, dirty > hippies that just get together and sing about how the Mac is superior to > every other computer in every way. That's right, I said they are dirty... > lol, and aside from the singing part, what's wrong with that? :P that's about how one of my friends describes the air-cooled vw club around here, too. (drivers of bugs, busses, ghias, etc) ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed May 5 15:00:53 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <409922FA.2030201@igi.com> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> <409922FA.2030201@igi.com> Message-ID: <16537.18421.122114.662694@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Jorgensen writes: Jason> On a side note. I think its alittle annoying that Jason> bittorrent has rate limiting for upload but not for Jason> download. But I did find a cool program that will rate Jason> limit any program called netbrake. So the full command I Jason> used was: Thanks! That was a really handy piece of information --- I remember how unhappy I was when I couldn't figure out how to rate-limit bittorrent (I was pulling down Mandrake 10.0), and simultaneously trying to order a Mother's day present through the web! Any way to rate limit this while in progress? Or do you just whack bittorrent and restart and hope that it picks up where you left off? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed May 5 15:10:44 2004 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other Linux/Computing Groups in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <4087F5E2@Red2> References: <4087F5E2@Red2> Message-ID: <40994A44.9030706@stonel.com> Google is your friend. search: twin cities user group google.com or groups.google.com Enough there to fill a few hours each month :) carlsonp wrote: > Hello. I just joined this mailing list and look forward to attending the next > installfest if I can make it. I was just wondering what other linux groups or > computing groups are around the Twin Cities? I would prefer that they be free > as I am a poor college student. :) Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed May 5 16:07:45 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040505210745.GS15983@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 08:42:11AM -0500, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > >define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A')dnl > >TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl > thats still not very human readable, try this for a change (postfix): I think it's pretty clear, "Trust these authentication mechanisms, EXTERNAL, DIGEST-MD5 ...." > i dunno about you guys, but i would rather not use a translator when > talking to my computers. m4 only a preprocessor, postfix does this at run time (not via m4). The difference is that the sendmail way is much more powerful for those who have the know-how to directly edit their sendmail.cf -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed May 5 16:00:17 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040505210017.GR15983@momentum.poptix.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed May 5 16:23:18 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <20040505210017.GR15983@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505210017.GR15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > 2) Does this ensure it uses pam and the passwd/shadow files? > > Yes. actually, it configures it to use sasl. by default on most distributions, sasl is configured to use pam, but not always. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed May 5 16:43:23 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm trying out the Vonage VoIP service (http://vonage.com/). I got the Motorola box in the mail yesterday and have played around with it a bit. I got the phone working (sounded great) with my broadband Internet connection. There's one problem though. I'm using IPCop on an old box as my firewall. I've got a Web server in a DMZ on my network along with a separate subnet for the other machines. I installed the device as indicated in the instructions between my cable modem and the IPCop box. The Motorola VoIP box does DHCP/NAT which I don't need. When I turned off the DHCP/NAT, my Internet connection was down. The VoIP box isn't passing the traffic through to IPCop (the upstream ethernet card in the IPCop box isn't getting an IP address from the cable modem). It looks like I may have to put the Motorola box inside my firewall and use port forwarding. The instructions mention this. I'll loose the QoS features of the box in this config, but I don't seem to have any other choice. If I use the DHCP on the VoIP box, I don't see how my Web server will function using the DynDNS update feature of my IPCop installation. Any suggestions from other Vonage subscribers? -Tim (BTW, they have a refer-a-friend program and you can get a credit on your plan if you're referred by a current subscriber. The referrer gets a credit too, of course.) -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed May 5 16:56:23 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <16537.18421.122114.662694@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> <409922FA.2030201@igi.com> <16537.18421.122114.662694@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <40996307.3080608@igi.com> Nothing that I can think of while its in progress unless you rate limit your ethernet port. rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >>>>>>"Jason" == Jason Jorgensen writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > Jason> On a side note. I think its alittle annoying that > Jason> bittorrent has rate limiting for upload but not for > Jason> download. But I did find a cool program that will rate > Jason> limit any program called netbrake. So the full command I > Jason> used was: > >Thanks! That was a really handy piece of information --- I remember >how unhappy I was when I couldn't figure out how to rate-limit >bittorrent (I was pulling down Mandrake 10.0), and simultaneously >trying to order a Mother's day present through the web! > >Any way to rate limit this while in progress? Or do you just whack >bittorrent and restart and hope that it picks up where you left off? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed May 5 16:47:08 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comment on Novell's Linux migratation web site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1314.156.98.100.45.1083793628.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > http://www.novell.com/linux/migrate/ > > Any thoughts? Quite interesting indeed. I've seen Novell slowly unraveling their linux plans, now just this week I've been pounded with e-mails from Novell. There's a lot of info seminars on Novell's linux plans, and it looks like rollout won't be far off. Zenworks 6.5 looks awesome, with Ximian Red Carpet being used to manage desktops *drool*. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed May 5 17:19:57 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bittorrent help References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> <409922FA.2030201@igi.com> <16537.18421.122114.662694@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > Any way to rate limit this while in progress? Or do you just whack > bittorrent and restart and hope that it picks up where you left off? get the TheShadows experimental bittorrent. http://bittornado.com/ last i used it it had a slider bar where you could dynamically change the rate limiting. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed May 5 17:20:47 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 2004, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm using IPCop on an old box as my firewall. I've got a Web server in a > DMZ on my network along with a separate subnet for the other machines. I > installed the device as indicated in the instructions between my cable > modem and the IPCop box. The Motorola VoIP box does DHCP/NAT which I > don't need. When I turned off the DHCP/NAT, my Internet connection was > down. The VoIP box isn't passing the traffic through to IPCop (the > upstream ethernet card in the IPCop box isn't getting an IP address from > the cable modem). If you can configure QoS in IPCop, there's no reason to do anything but put the Vonage box behind your firewall. With the old Cisco's they used to provide, there's no reason to forward any ports to your ATA - I don't think that would've changed with the Motorola, but it's possible, I suppose. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed May 5 18:12:36 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If I use the DHCP on the VoIP box, I don't see how my Web > server will function using the DynDNS update feature of my > IPCop installation. Doesn't the DynDNS updater hit an external server just for this type of situation? (i.e. www.whatismyip.com) If so, I don't think you'll have any problems. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed May 5 18:35:12 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/5/04 6:12 PM, "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > Doesn't the DynDNS updater hit an external server just for this type of > situation? (i.e. www.whatismyip.com) If so, I don't think you'll have any > problems. The IPCop is getting 192.168.102.100 for its IP address. The Vonage ATA has got the real IP address. My understanding is that IPCop reports the upstream IP to the DynDNS service. With the Motorola ATA box's DHCP/NAT turned on, IPCop doesn't know the right IP to report. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed May 5 19:06:21 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Doesn't the DynDNS updater hit an external server just for > this type > > of situation? (i.e. www.whatismyip.com) If so, I don't think you'll > > have any problems. > > The IPCop is getting 192.168.102.100 for its IP address. The > Vonage ATA has got the real IP address. My understanding is > that IPCop reports the upstream IP to the DynDNS service. > With the Motorola ATA box's DHCP/NAT turned on, IPCop doesn't > know the right IP to report. Oh, well, it's not a perfect solution, but you could use something like everydns (free) and their perl script that does what I said (dials out to a server to get the source IP and reports that back.) I'm not familiar with IPCop, but I assume you can install extra stuff and cron it... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eskogen at usfamily.net Wed May 5 15:25:16 2004 From: eskogen at usfamily.net (Eric Skogen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <40994DAC.3010009@usfamily.net> There's a nice bittorrent client at http://azureus.sourceforge.net/. Jay Kline wrote: > Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The > documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on > how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? > > Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" > forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed May 5 20:25:43 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <40994DAC.3010009@usfamily.net> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> <40994DAC.3010009@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1083806741.30018.7.camel@bigtime> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 15:25, Eric Skogen wrote: > There's a nice bittorrent client at http://azureus.sourceforge.net/. Azureus is the best linux compatible bittorrent client I've found, which isn't saying much. GUI, depends on java and X, yuck, however that does mean you get nice graphs... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Wed May 5 21:22:02 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help Message-ID: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> Hi. I am having some problems getting a PCRE to match more then one newline. Basicaly, I am filtering text ... and there can be no more then one newline at any part of the text. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed May 5 22:20:43 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> References: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040506032043.GA18628@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:22:02PM -0500, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > I am having some problems getting a PCRE to match more then one > newline. Basicaly, I am filtering text ... and there can be no more > then one newline at any part of the text. Not sure I follow you--if you're reading a file line-by-line, you're going to have to try something else. But if you have the whole string in one variable, you should be able to do: s/\n+/\n/g; -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed May 5 22:26:11 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4099B053.90207@comcast.net> I have been playing with Vonage (the Motorola unit) at work and I have had it behind two firewalls and did not have to forward any ports. Yes, it takes away the QOS feature (voice traffic has priority), but it works anyway. Once firewall was a simple Xincom Twin WAN unit, the other was a Watchguard SOHO unit. It was a simple "plug and play", or in this case "plug and call". I did some simple bandwidth tests using one of those online testers, and the VOIP appears to use about 20-90 kb/s of bandwidth. Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm trying out the Vonage VoIP service (http://vonage.com/). I got the > Motorola box in the mail yesterday and have played around with it a bit. I > got the phone working (sounded great) with my broadband Internet connection. > There's one problem though. > > I'm using IPCop on an old box as my firewall. I've got a Web server in a DMZ > on my network along with a separate subnet for the other machines. I > installed the device as indicated in the instructions between my cable modem > and the IPCop box. The Motorola VoIP box does DHCP/NAT which I don't need. > When I turned off the DHCP/NAT, my Internet connection was down. The VoIP > box isn't passing the traffic through to IPCop (the upstream ethernet card > in the IPCop box isn't getting an IP address from the cable modem). > > It looks like I may have to put the Motorola box inside my firewall and use > port forwarding. The instructions mention this. I'll loose the QoS features > of the box in this config, but I don't seem to have any other choice. > > If I use the DHCP on the VoIP box, I don't see how my Web server will > function using the DynDNS update feature of my IPCop installation. > > Any suggestions from other Vonage subscribers? > > -Tim > > (BTW, they have a refer-a-friend program and you can get a credit on your > plan if you're referred by a current subscriber. The referrer gets a credit > too, of course.) > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Wed May 5 23:07:51 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: <20040506032043.GA18628@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> <20040506032043.GA18628@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040506040751.GA60721@nan2d.com> Forgive me, let me clarify myself: I am actually using PHP (with PCRE extention enabled) to process user comments on a small project I am working on. I want to limit the user to have a maximum of one newline _per_ newline ... that does not make lots of sence ... let me try to explain better. The text for the comments is stored in a database. The scripts grab that text and run it through a BBCode processor. The problem is, the extra BBCode tags cause unnnececary newlines. After that, the text is ran through the nl2br() function that converts all new lines to HTML
elements. So ... using BBCode tags will cause unwanted newlines and make the comment look different. I think that after running the text through the BBCode processor, then replacing all instences of more-then-one newline with a single newline is a good thing. There are a couple of other reasons that I chose to do it this way, but I dont want to get into that right now, its irelevent. So what I am looking for it a search-replace Perl regex statement that does this. If any of that was confusing, please tell me so I can "clarify" it some more. On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 10:20:43PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:22:02PM -0500, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > I am having some problems getting a PCRE to match more then one > > newline. Basicaly, I am filtering text ... and there can be no more > > then one newline at any part of the text. > > Not sure I follow you--if you're reading a file line-by-line, > you're going to have to try something else. But if you have > the whole string in one variable, you should be able to do: > > s/\n+/\n/g; > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu May 6 00:32:49 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505210017.GR15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040506053249.GT15983@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:23:18PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > > actually, it configures it to use sasl. by default on most distributions, > sasl is configured to use pam, but not always. True. I guess i'm used to sane distributions. =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu May 6 09:03:29 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <20040506053249.GT15983@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505035711.GO15983@momentum.poptix.net> <1083758848.11410.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20040505210017.GR15983@momentum.poptix.net> <20040506053249.GT15983@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > actually, it configures it to use sasl. by default on most distributions, > > sasl is configured to use pam, but not always. > > True. I guess i'm used to sane distributions. =) The one case I've had a problem with lately is on OpenBSD, but then again, that ain't Linux. (plus, no pam. heh..) :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu May 6 09:44:53 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help References: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com><20040506032043.GA18628@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040506040751.GA60721@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <000801c43378$b1589080$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andrei Bazhgin writes: > I am actually using PHP (with PCRE extention enabled) to process user > comments on a small project I am working on. I want to limit the user > to have a maximum of one newline _per_ newline while (strpos($x, "\n\n") !== false) $x = str_replace("\n\n", "\n", $x); -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu May 6 10:17:22 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage and my home network Message-ID: >>> wilson@visi.com 05/05/04 06:35PM >>> >On 5/5/04 6:12 PM, "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: >> Doesn't the DynDNS updater hit an external server just for this type of >> situation? (i.e. www.whatismyip.com) If so, I don't think you'll have any >> problems. >The IPCop is getting 192.168.102.100 for its IP address. The Vonage ATA has >got the real IP address. My understanding is that IPCop reports the upstream >IP to the DynDNS service. With the Motorola ATA box's DHCP/NAT turned on, >IPCop doesn't know the right IP to report. A co-worker has the Motorola unit from Vonage. In the manner that you have connected things, the Motorols is acting as a NAT router, so your IPCop will get a NATed address. The better approach would be to simply connect the outside interface of the Motorola box behind your IPCop firewall and be done with it. That's the only way to connect the Cisco ATA adapter that Vonage used to have (that's what I have) and it works just fine behind my Netscreen firewall. Likewise, my co-worker has now connected his Motorola adapter behind his firewall and it is also working just fine. No port forwarding required. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu May 6 10:17:54 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help Message-ID: so something like: s/\n{2,}/\n/gm >>> after@nan2d.com 05/05/04 11:07PM >>> Forgive me, let me clarify myself: I am actually using PHP (with PCRE extention enabled) to process user comments on a small project I am working on. I want to limit the user to have a maximum of one newline _per_ newline ... that does not make lots of sence ... let me try to explain better. The text for the comments is stored in a database. The scripts grab that text and run it through a BBCode processor. The problem is, the extra BBCode tags cause unnnececary newlines. After that, the text is ran through the nl2br() function that converts all new lines to HTML
elements. So ... using BBCode tags will cause unwanted newlines and make the comment look different. I think that after running the text through the BBCode processor, then replacing all instences of more-then-one newline with a single newline is a good thing. There are a couple of other reasons that I chose to do it this way, but I dont want to get into that right now, its irelevent. So what I am looking for it a search-replace Perl regex statement that does this. If any of that was confusing, please tell me so I can "clarify" it some more. On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 10:20:43PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:22:02PM -0500, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > I am having some problems getting a PCRE to match more then one > > newline. Basicaly, I am filtering text ... and there can be no more > > then one newline at any part of the text. > > Not sure I follow you--if you're reading a file line-by-line, > you're going to have to try something else. But if you have > the whole string in one variable, you should be able to do: > > s/\n+/\n/g; > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu May 6 10:49:08 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040506154908.GA14422@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:17:54AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > so something like: > > s/\n{2,}/\n/gm > That /m doesn't do anything. See perlre for details. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu May 6 10:54:21 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> References: <20040506022202.GA57823@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <16538.24493.613728.547649@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Andrei" == Andrei Bazhgin writes: Andrei> Hi. Andrei> I am having some problems getting a PCRE to match more Andrei> then one newline. Basicaly, I am filtering text ... and Andrei> there can be no more then one newline at any part of the Andrei> text. In the old days when I needed to exchange stuff with someone using a MAC, I needed to whack my double new lines. I simply used this: while () { if ($_ eq "\n") { print; } else { chop; print; print " "; # replace newline with space } } _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu May 6 11:08:05 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help Message-ID: True, automatically added it for multiline match, but it is not used (no ^ or $). >>> trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com 05/06/04 10:49AM >>> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:17:54AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > so something like: > > s/\n{2,}/\n/gm > That /m doesn't do anything. See perlre for details. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu May 6 12:08:21 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040506170821.GA16465@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:08:05AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > True, automatically added it for multiline > match, but it is not used (no ^ or $). I know it because I've misused it in the past, and gotten called on it. :-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Thu May 6 12:28:04 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. In-Reply-To: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> References: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> Message-ID: <409A75A4.1090703@charter.net> Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I might get some advice on this problem. I would appreciate it. Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benbetts@charter.net Benjamin Betts wrote: > Greetings all, > Thanks so much for all the help at the install...um...loadfest? > Anyway, I've got Debian up on my old P1 box and on my thinkpad 560. > On to the question. > I'm trying to configure X with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4 4500 and an Acer 7133s > monitor. I've broken my XF86Config file several times now and I'm > getting used to it but I haven't had much success. Basically I can't > get above 640x480. I've looked at the 3Dfx HOWTO, the XFree86 website > and every conceivable Google search, so I'm not just wussing out here. > Here's what I know. > Some sites claim that the Voodoo4 and 5 use the same drivers. > There is very little mention of the Voodoo4 specifically. > The Glide drivers are said to work only with Voodoo 1&2 cards > I've done apt-get install glide2-bin > Here is some of my XF86Config-4 (ask if you need it all, just trying > to be conservative) > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen "Screen 1" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Acer 7133S" > VendorName "AAC" > ModelName "5321" > # HirizSync 31.0 - 40.0 > # VertRefresh 50-90 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Voodoo4" > VendorName "3dfx" > Driver "tdfx" > ChipSet "3dfx Voodoo5" > # Option "UseFBDev" "true" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen 1" > Device "Voodoo4" > Monitor "Acer 7133S" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" > ViewPort 0 0 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" > ViewPort 0 0 > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > Many Thanks, > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu May 6 13:08:20 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions Message-ID: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu May 6 12:53:02 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. Message-ID: I found this: http://www.x-3dfx.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=4 >>> benbetts@charter.net 05/06/04 12:28PM >>> Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I might get some advice on this problem. I would appreciate it. Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benbetts@charter.net Benjamin Betts wrote: > Greetings all, > Thanks so much for all the help at the install...um...loadfest? > Anyway, I've got Debian up on my old P1 box and on my thinkpad 560. > On to the question. > I'm trying to configure X with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4 4500 and an Acer 7133s > monitor. I've broken my XF86Config file several times now and I'm > getting used to it but I haven't had much success. Basically I can't > get above 640x480. I've looked at the 3Dfx HOWTO, the XFree86 website > and every conceivable Google search, so I'm not just wussing out here. > Here's what I know. > Some sites claim that the Voodoo4 and 5 use the same drivers. > There is very little mention of the Voodoo4 specifically. > The Glide drivers are said to work only with Voodoo 1&2 cards > I've done apt-get install glide2-bin > Here is some of my XF86Config-4 (ask if you need it all, just trying > to be conservative) > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen "Screen 1" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Acer 7133S" > VendorName "AAC" > ModelName "5321" > # HirizSync 31.0 - 40.0 > # VertRefresh 50-90 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Voodoo4" > VendorName "3dfx" > Driver "tdfx" > ChipSet "3dfx Voodoo5" > # Option "UseFBDev" "true" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen 1" > Device "Voodoo4" > Monitor "Acer 7133S" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" > ViewPort 0 0 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" > ViewPort 0 0 > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > Many Thanks, > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 6 12:53:29 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. In-Reply-To: <409A75A4.1090703@charter.net> References: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> <409A75A4.1090703@charter.net> Message-ID: <20040506175329.GK23393@wookimus.net> Benjamin Betts wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I might get some advice on > this problem. I would appreciate it. This link confirmed your horizontal and vertical refresh rates: http://medialab.freaknet.org/doc/Hardware/Monitor/monitor-timings.txt Section "Monitor" Identifier "Acer 7133S" VendorName "AAC" ModelName "5321" # You had misspelled HorizSync HorizSync 31.0 - 40.0 VertRefresh 50-90 EndSection Your card drive doesn't look wrong. Not sure if you really need to specify the chipset. Make sure your busid section is correct. For the most part, if you have read-edid, discover, and debconf installed, xserver-xfree86 should do a reasonably good job with configuring X without any input (Advanced Monitor Settings optional). -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Kraigjones at aol.com Thu May 6 14:19:13 2004 From: Kraigjones at aol.com (Kraigjones@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions Message-ID: <140.28c7b20d.2dcbe9b1@aol.com> Not exactly a textbook, but of the Linux books I have, "Linux System Administration, A User's Guide" by Marcel Gagne (Addison Wesley) is the most helpful for me. It covers a lot of ground at beginner to intermediate level, with not too much or too little detail, in my opinion. I also refer to my copies of "Linux Administration Handbook" by Nemeth, Snyder, and Hein (Prentice Hall), which incidentally has exercises like a textbook, but is a little too deep in places, and "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh (O'Reilly), which I think is good for "generic" information but harder to relate to questions about specific distributions of Linux. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu May 6 14:35:17 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. Message-ID: Have you installed or looked at device3dfx-source? It is a Debian package that says: This package is the source for the 3Dfx device driver to allow access to 3Dfx boards and seating its MTRR:s correctly without the user having root privileges. You can install this into your current kernel by: 1. First downloading it 'apt-get install device3dfx-source kernel-source-2.6.5-1-686' or whatever kernel source you need. 2. Then untar both under the /usr/src/ directory 3. Copy the Debian kernel config file 'cp /boot/config-2.6.5-1-686 /usr/src/kernel-source*/' 4. 'cd /usr/src/kernel-source* && make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-686 modules_image' Make sure to use the correct append-to-version by looking at 'uname -r'. For example, 'uname -r' could equal 2.6.5-1-686 or 2.4.25-1-686. This puts the modules into the correct /lib/ directories. 5. Install the package 'dpkg -i /usr/src/*.deb' 6. Find the module and temporarily try it out 'depmod && modprobe -l | grep 3dfx' then something like 'modprobe 3dfx' 7. If it works then you will want to run 'modconf' to add the module to the boot up script or just add the modules manually to the end of /etc/modules. Also take a look at http://www.debianhelp.org Jeff Rasmussen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jradocay at scholarshipamerica.org Thu May 6 14:50:10 2004 From: jradocay at scholarshipamerica.org (Jason Radocay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions Message-ID: <8DDE1AB31DDD2D47A222458FCE2B2E01056803@edinadc1.samn.local> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Thu May 6 15:07:37 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB 2 / Firewire drive enclosures. Message-ID: <200405061507.37605.lists@gahlon.com> Hello all, I'm looking for any success story for using the USB2 port on 2.5" and a 3.5" drive enclosures under Linux. Ones that also have a firewire port would also be nice for when I visit my Mac-zealot (tm) friends. I've got a USB enclosure with the dreaded Genesys 64x chipset. Works fine (sorta) under the 2.4.xx kernel but is completely broken in 2.6.x code. I tried paching drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h and I'm fed up with that and "just want the damn thing to work" (tm) Could anyone supply me with a brand recommendation or a link where they got one that works under Linux. I'm running Fedora Core 1 with a custom 2.6.5 kernel for my Dell Inspiron 1100. (Suspend still donesn't work but I've given up on that too!) Thanks much! -- Christopher A. Gahlon There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 6 15:19:59 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB 2 / Firewire drive enclosures. In-Reply-To: <200405061507.37605.lists@gahlon.com> References: <200405061507.37605.lists@gahlon.com> Message-ID: <20040506201959.GM23393@wookimus.net> Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > I'm looking for any success story for using the USB2 port on 2.5" and > a 3.5" drive enclosures under Linux. Ones that also have a firewire > port would also be nice for when I visit my Mac-zealot (tm) friends. I've had good luck with the LaCie Pocket 30 and 60GB drives (USB/Firewire). -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Thu May 6 15:48:35 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB 2 / Firewire drive enclosures. In-Reply-To: <200405061507.37605.lists@gahlon.com> References: <200405061507.37605.lists@gahlon.com> Message-ID: <1083876515.17446.3.camel@chays.dyndns.org> ) > > Could anyone supply me with a brand recommendation or a link where > they got one that works under Linux. > I just bought this one : http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=297492&pfp=BROWSE Made by belkin, and I have had no problems as of yet. Works fine with a default kernel in the debian 3.0 install. Seems to be compliant with the usb mass storage spec. -Chuck Hays _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Thu May 6 16:24:15 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions In-Reply-To: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> References: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1083878654.2626.5.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Have you looked at "Linux Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition"? Available on line, as pdf and as dead tree. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 13:08, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I will be developing / teaching an online Linux class for Minnesota > State Community and Technical College and I need to select a textbook > for the class ASAP (like last week). > > Any suggestions on a decent Linux textbook? The course is geared > around the 101 and 102 Linux exams ... so there are lots of exam type > books ... but I need a textbook ... something where I do not have to > write all the homework, etc. I have the LPIC 1 Certification Bible by > Angie Nash and Jason Nash ... it of course has good study guide > sections, but the answers are all within the book itself. > > IF anyone has taken an online computer class I would love to hear > about things that were good ... and things that were bad. I may > tentatively have a small installfest for students close to campus > (Wadena, Detroit Lakes, or Fergus Falls). It would be nice to have > everyone running the same OS so that I do not have to have problems > with subtle issues. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > Randy Clarksean > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu May 6 16:44:43 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> References: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <1083879881.21083.18.camel@bigtime> > This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the > dependency info of an rpm. No there shouldn't, there's no reason to make it easy to have completely hacked and broken packages floating around the net. The 'correct' thing to do would be to rebuild it to your needs hah hah hah. Alternately, you'd be much better off with a null package than messing around with hex editors. Here's mine: Summary: Blargh Name: blargh Version: 1 Release: 1 License: GPL Group: Blargh URL: GPL BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-buildroot Provides: kernel = 2.6.99, kernel-drm, alsa-driver, atrpms, libGL.so.1(LIBGL), libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1, libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1(XVMCNVIDIA) %description %files %defattr(-, root, root) Just save that to blargh.spec, edit the Provides to supply whatever you need, build it with "rpmbuild -ba blargh.spec" and install. I use mine to eliminate having to have a kernel package installed, I install my kernel by hand. As well as some stuff to get the atrpms mythtv packages installed without having to sell my soul to Axel Thimm. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu May 6 17:18:44 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405062218.i46MIiR22970@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Real Hardware PCI Voice Modems I have 6 MultiTech MT5634ZPX-PCI 56K internal voice modems. These are REAL 100% hardware modems, supported by the standard Linux serial driver. Good for setting up a VOCP box. www.vocpsystem.com $10 each I live in central minnesota, but I can deliver anywhere in the twin cities on weekends, or I can arrange for you to pick it up from a friend. seghaxxedcom; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu May 6 17:39:17 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Unhappy Message-ID: I had a Fedora Core 1 system running quite happily on Microsoft's Virtual PC 2004, which is in turn running on Windows XP Pro. Last night, I upgraded to Fedora Core 2 Test 3 and now I get a lot of error messages. First, I'd like to get it working again, but I won't spend more than a few hours working at that. Second, I'd like to let the Fedora team know about this, but I'm not going to sign up for an account to use their lovely bugzilla system, since I don't plan to use that often. Any pointers? Many thanks, Chris Schumann PS[OT] - But my video projector: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3095051161 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu May 6 18:13:56 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Unhappy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040506231356.GA14979@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:39:17PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > I had a Fedora Core 1 system running quite happily on Microsoft's Virtual > PC 2004, which is in turn running on Windows XP Pro. > > Last night, I upgraded to Fedora Core 2 Test 3 and now I get a lot of > error messages. > > First, I'd like to get it working again, but I won't spend more than a few > hours working at that. > > Second, I'd like to let the Fedora team know about this, but I'm not going > to sign up for an account to use their lovely bugzilla system, since I > don't plan to use that often. > > Any pointers? > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > PS[OT] - But my video projector: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3095051161 > > You won't spend time to fix the problem. You won't report the problem to the Fedora team. But we're supposed to But (sic) your video projector? Try Windows. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- People are very flexible and learn to adjust to strange surroundings -- they can become accustomed to read Lisp and Fortran programs, for example. -- Leon Sterling and Ehud Shapiro, Art of Prolog, MIT Press _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu May 6 18:22:19 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Unhappy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409AC8AB.7020104@cruiskeen.com> Chris Schumann wrote: > I had a Fedora Core 1 system running quite happily on Microsoft's Virtual > PC 2004, which is in turn running on Windows XP Pro. > > Last night, I upgraded to Fedora Core 2 Test 3 and now I get a lot of > error messages. > > First, I'd like to get it working again, but I won't spend more than a few > hours working at that. > > Second, I'd like to let the Fedora team know about this, but I'm not going > to sign up for an account to use their lovely bugzilla system, since I > don't plan to use that often. > > Any pointers? > Not much to go on here - What error messages? When you say you upgraded, does that mean you installed off of CD and did an upgrade, or did it with Yum or ap-get or???? If you want to file a bug report you'll have to do it with Bugzilla - but they'll need a lot more detail than this. Setting up a bugzilla account is a lot less painful than signing up for the mailing lists, which would be the only other way to get the info to anyone - Plus what the developers would probably tell you on the list is to file a bugzilla. > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > PS[OT] - But my video projector: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3095051161 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu May 6 20:09:52 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Unhappy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200405070109.i4719pDU026670@alpha.twp-llc.com> > From: James Kaufman > You won't spend time to fix the problem. > You won't report the problem to the Fedora team. > But we're supposed to But (sic) your video projector? > > Try Windows. Somebody needs a hug. I wrote that I won't spend more than a few hours on it. Any more than that and I'll go back to Core 1. I suppose I was a little cranky when I said I wouldn't sign up to use bugzilla. Maybe I needed a hug. > From: Steve Hanson > Not much to go on here - What error messages? When you say > you upgraded, does that mean you installed off of CD and did > an upgrade, or did it with Yum or ap-get or???? Booting is fine until it gets to starting runlevel 5, so dmesg is of no help. I think it had something to do with detecting a "new" keyboard, unicode and i18n. Anyway, here's the first bit. Lots and lots of segmentation faults starting with this: /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 45 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 54 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 63 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 72 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 81 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 90 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM /etc/X11/prefdm: line 39: 92 Segmentation fault which $preferred >/dev/null 2>&1 /etc/X11/prefdm: line 9: 96 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/rhgb-client -qut /etc/X11/prefdm: line 80: 100 Segmentation fault unicode_start $SYSFONT SYSFONTACM And that goes on for a while, never going graphical. Then it tells me this: INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > If you want to file a bug report you'll have to do it with > Bugzilla - but they'll need a lot more detail than this. > Setting up a bugzilla account is a lot less painful than > signing up for the mailing lists, which would be the only > other way to get the info to anyone - Plus what the > developers would probably tell you on the list is to file a > bugzilla. Yay. Another registration. I suppose it's worthwhile if someone else doesn't have to go through this. Thanks for the useful reply, Steve. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu May 6 20:18:05 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <200405062018.05265@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 05 May 2004 12:07 pm, Jay Kline wrote: > Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The > documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on > how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? > > Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" > forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. > > Jay Sounds like an excellent entry into the plone area of tclug? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu May 6 22:24:56 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl regex help In-Reply-To: <000801c43378$b1589080$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040506040751.GA60721@nan2d.com> <000801c43378$b1589080$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040507032456.GA31536@nan2d.com> That worked the best from all other suggestions (fastest,) thanks a pantsfull. On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:44:53AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin writes: > > I am actually using PHP (with PCRE extention enabled) to process user > > comments on a small project I am working on. I want to limit the user > > to have a maximum of one newline _per_ newline > > while (strpos($x, "\n\n") !== false) > $x = str_replace("\n\n", "\n", $x); > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu May 6 22:24:01 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc Message-ID: Hey everyone, I hope someone can offer a suggestion on this non-Linux-specific networking question. I posted recently about putting my Vonage VoIP box inside my home network. I decided to give the Motorola ATA a static IP so I could do port forwarding if necessary from my IPCop firewall. Using the Motorola's Web built-in Web interface I set the ATA's IP address to 192.168.1.75. Unfortunately, I set the netmask to 255.255.0.0 instead of 255.255.255.0 which is how I've configured the rest of my home network (192.168.1.0/24). I can no longer access the ATA's Web server and change the config. There is no external "reset to factory defaults" button. You have to access the web page to reset the unit. There's a "PC" port on the back of the unit that can be used to interface with the ATA. Under normal circumstances, the ATA will do DHCP/NAT and give out 192.168.102.100 as the first IP address. I've tried setting a static IP on my Powerbook with a 255.255.0.0 netmask and plugging it into the PC port. Nothing I've tried has allowed me to access the ATA's Web page. At this point, I'm beginning to think that I'm going to have to exchange this ATA for a new one just so I can get it working again! Anyone have any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu May 6 22:55:58 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions In-Reply-To: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> References: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200405062255.58479.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 06 May 2004 01:08 pm, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I will be developing / teaching an online Linux class for Minnesota State > Community and Technical College and I need to select a textbook for the > class ASAP (like last week). > > Any suggestions on a decent Linux textbook? The course is geared around > the 101 and 102 Linux exams ... so there are lots of exam type books ... > but I need a textbook ... something where I do not have to write all the > homework, etc. I have the LPIC 1 Certification Bible by Angie Nash and > Jason Nash ... it of course has good study guide sections, but the answers > are all within the book itself. > > IF anyone has taken an online computer class I would love to hear about > things that were good ... and things that were bad. I may tentatively have > a small installfest for students close to campus (Wadena, Detroit Lakes, or > Fergus Falls). It would be nice to have everyone running the same OS so > that I do not have to have problems with subtle issues. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > Randy Clarksean My prefered book for teaching Linux is Mark Sobell's "Practical Guide to Red Ht Linux 8". Don't let the title throw you. It's just the most recent incarnation of his "Practical Guide to Linux". I used the original version while teaching up in Duluth and have used the current teaching a course at the NEICenter@Dunwoody since last fall. That last statement is not entirely acurate. I have taught that class now for three quarters. Winter quarter we used one of the Linux+ oriented texts from Course technology. I had much less success with the students understanding the material from that text. I went back to the Sobell book this quarter and the results are better. The Sobell book is a monster (1600 pages) but its well laid out and has a reference section that is "man pagish" in the back of the book. This may be a good companion to your test prep guides. Reference: http://www.sobell.com - Mark's site with some sample chapters Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri May 7 01:49:50 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:24:01PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040507014949.A23604@thinkunix.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > I posted recently about putting my Vonage VoIP box inside my home network. I > decided to give the Motorola ATA a static IP so I could do port forwarding > if necessary from my IPCop firewall. Using the Motorola's Web built-in Web > interface I set the ATA's IP address to 192.168.1.75. Unfortunately, I set > the netmask to 255.255.0.0 instead of 255.255.255.0 which is how I've > configured the rest of my home network (192.168.1.0/24). > > I can no longer access the ATA's Web server and change the config. There is > no external "reset to factory defaults" button. You have to access the web > page to reset the unit. There's a "PC" port on the back of the unit that can > be used to interface with the ATA. Under normal circumstances, the ATA will > do DHCP/NAT and give out 192.168.102.100 as the first IP address. what does voyage tech support say? surely someone else has fat fingered a setting in the web config. there must be a way to reset it. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri May 7 06:30:05 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: <20040507014949.A23604@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On 5/7/04 1:49 AM, "Scot Jenkins" wrote: > what does voyage tech support say? surely someone else has fat fingered > a setting in the web config. there must be a way to reset it. You would think, wouldn't you. I talked to two techs who suggested the steps that I'd already tried. There is no way to reset except through the Web interface. That seems like a design flaw to me. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri May 7 07:19:10 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc References: Message-ID: <002101c4342d$87dd0c80$0300000a@net.tsinks> I would try the PC attachment using first no address for the PC and then an address within the subnet. Most of the routers and all will allow entry this way. Also, there should be a command to do the reset after it is attached to the PC. What does their book say? One other way may be to come in from outside the subnet and network, from another site. Keep looking up, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc > On 5/7/04 1:49 AM, "Scot Jenkins" wrote: > > > what does voyage tech support say? surely someone else has fat fingered > > a setting in the web config. there must be a way to reset it. > > You would think, wouldn't you. I talked to two techs who suggested the steps > that I'd already tried. There is no way to reset except through the Web > interface. That seems like a design flaw to me. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri May 7 08:49:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409B93F2.3030108@visi.com> Have you tried setting up an isolated network? A hub, a pc, and the device. Then try to connect to it. Sam. Tim Wilson wrote: >On 5/7/04 1:49 AM, "Scot Jenkins" wrote: > > > >>what does voyage tech support say? surely someone else has fat fingered >>a setting in the web config. there must be a way to reset it. >> >> > >You would think, wouldn't you. I talked to two techs who suggested the steps >that I'd already tried. There is no way to reset except through the Web >interface. That seems like a design flaw to me. > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri May 7 08:04:10 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions References: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> <1083878654.2626.5.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Message-ID: <03bb01c43433$ccb2c1a0$0201a8c0@office> Linux Rute ... actually looks like a very good book ... the only drawback is that it does not necessarily have exercises. So ... for an 8 week compressed online class in Linux ... I need all the help I can get in preparing exercises / lectures. So ... I am leaning towards a book prepared by Thomson learning (www.course.com) entitled "Linux+ Certification." (ISBN 0-619-20563-6). There is an annotated teachers version of this as well. I will highly recommend the "Linux Rute ... " book as an additional reference for the students. This book is geared towards the classroom and the 101/102 exams. The only drawback is that it is centered on RedHat 9.0 (gui related items) .... and since it is sort of slipping away ... I am leaning towards using Suse 9 because I have the full download of it on a Linux box ... which I can use for an "installfest" for the class. Just my thoughts. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Siems" To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions > Have you looked at "Linux Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition"? > > Available on line, as pdf and as dead tree. > > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html > > > On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 13:08, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I will be developing / teaching an online Linux class for Minnesota > > State Community and Technical College and I need to select a textbook > > for the class ASAP (like last week). > > > > Any suggestions on a decent Linux textbook? The course is geared > > around the 101 and 102 Linux exams ... so there are lots of exam type > > books ... but I need a textbook ... something where I do not have to > > write all the homework, etc. I have the LPIC 1 Certification Bible by > > Angie Nash and Jason Nash ... it of course has good study guide > > sections, but the answers are all within the book itself. > > > > IF anyone has taken an online computer class I would love to hear > > about things that were good ... and things that were bad. I may > > tentatively have a small installfest for students close to campus > > (Wadena, Detroit Lakes, or Fergus Falls). It would be nice to have > > everyone running the same OS so that I do not have to have problems > > with subtle issues. > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > > > Randy Clarksean _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri May 7 08:12:51 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: <409B93F2.3030108@visi.com> Message-ID: On 5/7/04 8:49 AM, "Sam MacDonald" wrote: > Have you tried setting up an isolated network? > A hub, a pc, and the device. > Then try to connect to it. Essentially, yes. I plugged the ATA directly into my cable modem and the PC into the ATA. The rest of my network was disconnected. Unfortunately, it also seems that the ATA won't start up completely (i.e., the built-in Web server won't work) if it can't connect to the Vonage servers. So creating a separate, disconnected network doesn't look like an option. :-( -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri May 7 08:35:12 2004 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Textbook - Suggestions In-Reply-To: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> References: <02f601c43395$1f97c400$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <409B9090.3080100@stonel.com> Randy, I used Running Linux by Matt Welsh etal. when I started - but its not a textbook. I think a textbook would be out of date quickly due to the rapid development happening with Linux, perhaps why there aren't many around. Is this course geared toward sysadmins (inferred from your email) or the average desktop user? I work near Fergus Falls and may be interested in participating. Do you have any more info about the class? As far as 'same OS', I've settled on Mandrake both as my work desktop and at home. My kids have picked it up pretty quickly. I'm sure there are other distros I could have used but this had the best combination of what I was looking for. May not have what you are looking at for the class though. Feel free to contact me directly if comments aren't germane to the list. Bob Randy Clarksean wrote: > I will be developing / teaching an online Linux class for Minnesota > State Community and Technical College and I need to select a textbook > for the class ASAP (like last week). > > Any suggestions on a decent Linux textbook? The course is geared around > the 101 and 102 Linux exams ... so there are lots of exam type books ... > but I need a textbook ... something where I do not have to write all the > homework, etc. I have the LPIC 1 Certification Bible by Angie Nash and > Jason Nash ... it of course has good study guide sections, but the > answers are all within the book itself. > > IF anyone has taken an online computer class I would love to hear about > things that were good ... and things that were bad. I may tentatively > have a small installfest for students close to campus (Wadena, Detroit > Lakes, or Fergus Falls). It would be nice to have everyone running the > same OS so that I do not have to have problems with subtle issues. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > Randy Clarksean _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri May 7 10:02:43 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <1083879881.21083.18.camel@bigtime> References: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> <1083879881.21083.18.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <409BA513.5070103@structural-wood.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: >>This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the >>dependency info of an rpm. > > > No there shouldn't, there's no reason to make it easy to have completely > hacked and broken packages floating around the net. You're right, it probably would lead to hacked and broken packages. Blah > The 'correct' thing > to do would be to rebuild it to your needs hah hah hah. I'm looking at the build section of an rpm, and I see where it goes through and recursively (auto)makes everything. I do not see anything where it specifically packages things. Does rpmbuild assume that if a successful build occurs, all of the files listed in %files section will be present and it can go ahead and package up the rpm? If this is the case, I can probably just do an rpm2cpio and then insert an edited ls -R listing of the files into the %files section and rebuild the rpm. It looks like the pre and post install scripts in this specific rpm are trivial. OK, I can tell I've moved from 'lets get this done and move on' to playing with things to try to understand the different factors. I appreciate everyones input - it's been educational. The null package is very interesting - I think that in this case a null package may very well be more 'dangerous' , since I would be claiming to provide a moderately well used service, where openoffice basically doesn't provide anything to other packages. You are right - the hex editor was wrong. It was cool to see that the rpm system wouldn't stand for it. Thanks again, Kent > Alternately, > you'd be much better off with a null package than messing around with > hex editors. Here's mine: > > Summary: Blargh > Name: blargh > Version: 1 > Release: 1 > License: GPL > Group: Blargh > URL: GPL > BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-buildroot > Provides: kernel = 2.6.99, kernel-drm, alsa-driver, atrpms, > libGL.so.1(LIBGL), libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1, > libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1(XVMCNVIDIA) > > %description > > %files > %defattr(-, root, root) > > Just save that to blargh.spec, edit the Provides to supply whatever you > need, build it with "rpmbuild -ba blargh.spec" and install. I use mine > to eliminate having to have a kernel package installed, I install my > kernel by hand. As well as some stuff to get the atrpms mythtv packages > installed without having to sell my soul to Axel Thimm. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Fri May 7 10:08:57 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. In-Reply-To: <20040506175329.GK23393@wookimus.net> References: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> <409A75A4.1090703@charter.net> <20040506175329.GK23393@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <409BA689.7080904@charter.net> Thanks guys. I corrected my spelling and did the apt-gets Chad suggested and I'm getting 800x600. It's progress at least. Enough progress that I can let go of the X hurdle and move on to some serious Linux subjects. Who needs a GUI anyway? Geesh. Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benbetts@charter.net Chad Walstrom wrote: >Benjamin Betts wrote: > > >>Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I might get some advice on >>this problem. I would appreciate it. >> >> > >This link confirmed your horizontal and vertical refresh rates: > > http://medialab.freaknet.org/doc/Hardware/Monitor/monitor-timings.txt > >Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Acer 7133S" > VendorName "AAC" > ModelName "5321" > # You had misspelled HorizSync > HorizSync 31.0 - 40.0 > VertRefresh 50-90 >EndSection > >Your card drive doesn't look wrong. Not sure if you really need to >specify the chipset. Make sure your busid section is correct. For the >most part, if you have read-edid, discover, and debconf installed, >xserver-xfree86 should do a reasonably good job with configuring X >without any input (Advanced Monitor Settings optional). > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri May 7 11:07:37 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? Message-ID: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> I may be getting a new (and I use that term loosely) laptop. It's a pentium (unknown mhz) with 16M ram, 500M hard drive, and built in floppy. It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it would work as an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi (802.11b or g if it can handle that). Or is this too slow? And are there any recommendations on distros that would load easily on this? Thanks Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Fri May 7 11:07:57 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <409BA513.5070103@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 2004, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the > >>dependency info of an rpm. > > > > > > No there shouldn't, there's no reason to make it easy to have completely > > hacked and broken packages floating around the net. > > You're right, it probably would lead to hacked and broken packages. Blah > > > > The 'correct' thing > > to do would be to rebuild it to your needs hah hah hah. > Alternately, to build a dummy package that "fulfills" the requirement. This can be a _lot_ easier than rebuilding a complex package like OOo. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri May 7 11:30:50 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 7 May 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it would work as > an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi (802.11b or g > if it can handle that). I'd say stick debian on it... or try and dig up (shoudln't be too hard) an older distribution that uses older, smaller, faster applications (the irony!) Actually, if it runs Win95 in any decent way, see if you can just get cygwin on it, and run X on that. May as well... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri May 7 11:48:47 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com>; from cdf123@cdf123.com on Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:07:37AM -0500 References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20040507114847.A18999@thinkunix.net> Chris Frederick wrote: > I may be getting a new (and I use that term loosely) laptop. It's a > pentium (unknown mhz) with 16M ram, 500M hard drive, and built in > floppy. It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it > would work as an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi > (802.11b or g if it can handle that). Or is this too slow? And are > there any recommendations on distros that would load easily on this? I have and older 486/75 Thinkpad with 20M ram, 810M hard drive that runs Debian stable just fine. I had to use the XFree86 server from the 3.3 series instead of 4.1 but otherwise it was pretty easy to setup. Doing debian updates (apt-get update) is a slow process on the 486 but once it's done performance is pretty acceptable. The bigger X-window apps (eg, Netscape, mozilla, gimp, etc...) are ok but only if you run them from a remote server. I think I tried starting mozilla locally once and it took like 10 minutes just to load and then was horribly unusable. I've used dillo for basic browsing (eg, googling) and that was ok, but don't expect to be able to do online banking/shopping from it. Check your PCMCIA slots before you buy the wireless card to see if they are 16-bit (PCCARD) or 32-bit (Cardbus). You should be able to get this info from the laptop manufacturer's website or google for it. Slackware is another distro that would work really well and is easier to trim down for the limited space. Start by installing the A and N disks and then adding what you need once the system is up and running. Both Debian and Slackware can be installed from floppy disks (at least enough to get the base os running so you can install the rest from the network). -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri May 7 12:03:34 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <20040507114847.A18999@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On 5/7/04 11:48 AM, "Scot Jenkins" wrote: > I have and older 486/75 Thinkpad with 20M ram, 810M hard drive that runs > Debian stable just fine. I had to use the XFree86 server from the 3.3 > series instead of 4.1 but otherwise it was pretty easy to setup. There's a blast from the past. It sounds like the old Thinkpad you used to bring to the installfests we had in the chemistry lab at Sibley H.S. years ago. My how the time flies. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri May 7 11:57:15 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <20040507114847.A18999@thinkunix.net> References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> <20040507114847.A18999@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 7 May 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Doing debian updates (apt-get update) is a slow process on the 486 Try it on a SPARCclassic! (; -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri May 7 12:09:52 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:57:15AM -0500 References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> <20040507114847.A18999@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040507120952.F18999@thinkunix.net> Yaron wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Doing debian updates (apt-get update) is a slow process on the 486 > > Try it on a SPARCclassic! (; what can I say, I have more time then money right now... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri May 7 12:29:34 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: References: <409B93F2.3030108@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040507172934.GD2362@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri May 7 12:54:42 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 2004, Yaron wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Doing debian updates (apt-get update) is a slow process on the 486 > > Try it on a SPARCclassic! (; I do. Regularly. It's not too bad. However, try doing it on a SparcStation 2. :P Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri May 7 13:28:29 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20040507132829.A6053@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:07:37AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I may be getting a new (and I use that term loosely) laptop. It's a > pentium (unknown mhz) with 16M ram, 500M hard drive, and built in > floppy. It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it > would work as an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi > (802.11b or g if it can handle that). Or is this too slow? And are > there any recommendations on distros that would load easily on this? To echo others, a pentium should work fine as thin terminal. Stick with a lighter window manager like fvwm. If you could scrounge up alittle more memory that would help it run much better, but 16 MB is manageable. As far as installation goes, I would try to do a network install. Floppy installs can be painful. I would suggest installing Debian - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install . -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Fri May 7 14:22:54 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Question. In-Reply-To: <20040507184747.GC2021@wookimus.net> References: <40970968.5010401@charter.net> <409A75A4.1090703@charter.net> <20040506175329.GK23393@wookimus.net> <409BA689.7080904@charter.net> <20040507153129.GB2021@wookimus.net> <409BD6DA.8090200@charter.net> <20040507184747.GC2021@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <409BE20E.9040209@charter.net> All the sudden Thunderbird decided to send replies to Chad directly, sorry. I moved XF86Config-4, ect. and ended up without a new file. No errors were evident. Now I'm learning about the find command. Woohoo. Should this work: sudo find / -name XF86Config-4? I tried it with XF86Config-4.bak and it came up with the file immediately, no problem. I also searched for XF86Config. No help. I suppose this means there was no output from sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? Perpetual Thanks. Benjamin Betts bmbetts@mail.uophx.edu benbetts@charter.net Chad Walstrom wrote: >Benjamin Betts wrote: > > >>Move the XF86Config-4 file aside (to something like *.bak). >> >> > >OK. Move the backup file back into place. Read the top part of the >file with a text editor. Follow the directions. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri May 7 14:27:33 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <20040507132829.A6053@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> <20040507132829.A6053@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <409BE325.3010102@structural-wood.com> Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:07:37AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > >>I may be getting a new (and I use that term loosely) laptop. It's a >>pentium (unknown mhz) with 16M ram, 500M hard drive, and built in >>floppy. It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it >>would work as an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi >>(802.11b or g if it can handle that). Or is this too slow? And are >>there any recommendations on distros that would load easily on this? > > > To echo others, a pentium should work fine as thin terminal. > Stick with a lighter window manager like fvwm. > If you could scrounge up alittle more memory that would help it > run much better, but 16 MB is manageable. > > As far as installation goes, I would try to do a network install. > Floppy installs can be painful. I would suggest installing > Debian - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install . > I would suggest not even using a window manager locally - boot directly to X windows and have it query your main server for a login. If you go this route, and most of your applications use client side fonts, 16Mb should be plenty of memory. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Fri May 7 14:43:58 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If that's the case, are you sure you didn't put the static on the cable modem side of the ATA? That would really hose it up as you would never be able to get back to their network. Not sounding good. As far as recovering it, set a box up behind it and port scan whatever the web page port is on the entire /16. A little tedious, but it'll guarantee that you didn't remember the wrong IP/fat fingered the IP. If you get a response, you should be golden. If no response, try plugging it into the CM side of the ATA and run the scan again. Try using nmap if you use a linux box. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:13 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] wrong netmask wreaks havoc On 5/7/04 8:49 AM, "Sam MacDonald" wrote: > Have you tried setting up an isolated network? > A hub, a pc, and the device. > Then try to connect to it. Essentially, yes. I plugged the ATA directly into my cable modem and the PC into the ATA. The rest of my network was disconnected. Unfortunately, it also seems that the ATA won't start up completely (i.e., the built-in Web server won't work) if it can't connect to the Vonage servers. So creating a separate, disconnected network doesn't look like an option. :-( -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat May 8 06:59:57 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] clean up Message-ID: <030901c434f3$fbd5da10$0a00a8c0@DELL2> How can I delete all root email from the command line and still preserve the mailbox? I would also like to stop mrtg from sending a notice to root every 5 minutes Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat May 8 08:43:26 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop as thin X client? In-Reply-To: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> References: <409BB449.7070505@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <409CE3FE.7080306@eworld3.net> I don't know if this helps but you could look at distros that are designed for older/slower machines. Some are: peanut linux, damn small linux, morphix. Chris Frederick wrote: > I may be getting a new (and I use that term loosely) laptop. It's a > pentium (unknown mhz) with 16M ram, 500M hard drive, and built in > floppy. It has Win95 installed right now and I was wondering if it > would work as an X client connecting to a remote X server through wifi > (802.11b or g if it can handle that). Or is this too slow? And are > there any recommendations on distros that would load easily on this? > > Thanks > > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at kdv.com Sat May 8 09:32:06 2004 From: mkroska at kdv.com (Mark Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] clean up References: <030901c434f3$fbd5da10$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <007401c2b728$962fe010$6509a8c0@pc3athome> Raymond-- To clear root's mailbox from the command line and preserve the box (all messages will be deleted that are not sorted into another folder): cat /dev/null > /var/spool/mail/root To prevent annoying Cron mail: * * * * 5 /root/blah/blah > /dev/null & /dev/null is your friend! Regards, Mark Mark J. Kroska Director Web Services KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: [TCLUG] clean up > How can I delete all root email from the command line and still preserve the > mailbox? > > > I would also like to stop mrtg from sending a notice to root every 5 minutes > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Sat May 8 09:33:44 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Check your date Mark In-Reply-To: <007401c2b728$962fe010$6509a8c0@pc3athome> References: <030901c434f3$fbd5da10$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <007401c2b728$962fe010$6509a8c0@pc3athome> Message-ID: <1084026825.17453.62.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Mark, your system date seems to be Jan-8th. -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sat May 8 09:53:31 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Copy install screens Message-ID: <063301c4350c$4660b880$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat May 8 10:08:09 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Copy install screens References: <063301c4350c$4660b880$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: Randy Clarksean writes: > Stupid question here possibly ... how does one copy the windows/install > screens that popup during install on a Linux box?? When you are running > linux ... there are programs that allow you to copy the entire screen or > just a window - that I know how to do .. but ... how do I do it during > boot?? Or are those images on the boot disk? i usually use vmware, but qemu shuld be able to do the trick as well. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Sat May 8 11:05:52 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Copy install screens In-Reply-To: <063301c4350c$4660b880$0201a8c0@office> References: <063301c4350c$4660b880$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1084032352.4170.101.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 09:53, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Stupid question here possibly ... how does one copy the > windows/install screens that popup during install on a Linux box? > When you are running linux ... there are programs that allow you to > copy the entire screen or just a window - that I know how to do .. but > ... how do I do it during boot? Or are those images on the boot disk? > > Randy what installer are you using? I believe on redhat (anaconda), you can press ctrl-prntscrn and it'll save a screenshot to /root/anaconda-screenshots or something like that. Is that what you were asking? I can't quite tell if you're asking about screenshots during install or during boot. -- jonathon jongsma _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at kdv.com Sat May 8 14:35:17 2004 From: mkroska at kdv.com (Mark Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] clean up References: <030901c434f3$fbd5da10$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <010701c43533$978b4eb0$6509a8c0@pc3athome> Raymond-- To clear root's mailbox from the command line and preserve the box (all messages will be deleted that are not sorted into another folder): cat /dev/null > /var/spool/mail/root To prevent annoying Cron mail: * * * * 5 /root/blah/blah > /dev/null & /dev/null is your friend! Regards, Mark Mark J. Kroska Director Web Services KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: [TCLUG] clean up > How can I delete all root email from the command line and still preserve the > mailbox? > > > I would also like to stop mrtg from sending a notice to root every 5 minutes > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sat May 8 15:32:38 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start Message-ID: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> I have just pulled my hair out for several hours trying to figure out WHY nmbd would NOT start on one of my Linux boxes. I guess I am looking for an explanation/education as to the subtle issues associated with the smb.conf file. I was configuring a Suse 9.0 box to use Samba. I had a RH7.2 box that I had never configured samba on ... so I went ahead and did that ... it worked fine. It showed up in network neighborhood, etc. without a problem. The Suse9 box flaked on and off .. so it seemed .. until it finally would not show up in network neighborhood. I could search for the IP address, and it would show up that way ... so nmbd was not running and allowing it to show up as it should. What I finally found was one difference between the smb.conf files on the two systems. A portion of the smb.conf file is found below. workgroup = WORKGROUP server string = Suse_box netbios name = Suse9 os level = 2 time server = Yes unix extensions = Yes encrypt passwords = yes map to guest = Bad User log file = /var/log/samba/%m log level = 3 printing = CUPS printcap name = CUPS # Please uncomment the following entry and replace the IP address and # netmask with the values of your network interface configuration. ; interfaces = 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.1.1/24 # By this limit also NMB name servie to the listed interfaces above. Before # activating this, read carefully the 'bind interfaces only' section of the # smb.conf man page. ; bind interfaces only = Yes The interfaces line is the one that I eventually had to comment out. I stumbled upon this by comparing the testparm output for both smb.conf files (working and non-visible system) I finally (yes finally) looked into the log.nmbd file to see if I could discover anything. Excerpts are shown below. [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(795) Netbios nameserver version 2.2.8a-SuSE started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 1] lib/debug.c:debug_message(258) INFO: Debug class all level = 3 (pid 1615 from pid 1615) [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:reload_nmbd_services(292) services not loaded [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(833) Becoming a daemon. [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(862) Opening sockets 137 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) bind succeeded on port 137 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) bind succeeded on port 138 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:open_sockets(550) open_sockets: Broadcast sockets opened. [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) added interface ip=127.0.0.1 bcast=127.255.255.255 nmask=255.0.0.0 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) added interface ip=192.168.1.1 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) bind failed on port 137 socket_addr = 192.168.1.1. Error = Cannot assign requested address [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_subnetdb.c:make_subnet(139) nmbd_subnetdb:make_subnet() Failed to open nmb socket on interface 192.168.1.1 for port 137. Error was Cannot assign requested address [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(873) ERROR: Failed when creating subnet lists. Exiting. My server has two NICs ... one is 192.168.1.1 .... it SEEMS that as it hit that machine it tried to open port 137 and died. I am guessing it did that because I have a firewall on that system .... hopefully a fairly tight one. Should this (the firewall) have caused nmbd to not start? It could not be started in any shape or form until I commented out the interfaces line. I added that interface line because I thought it was the proper thing to do. I guess I am looking for some insight from someone much better at this sort of thing than I. Thoughts and comments appreciated. Thanks in advance. Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat May 8 18:45:05 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405082345.i48Nj5u15277@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: dell computers I have two computers for sale: 1. Dell OptiPlex GX1 Tower - PIII 500, 256MB, 10GB HDD, $60 or B.O. 2. Dell OptiPlex GX1 Desktop - PIII 450, 256MB, 6GB HDD, Seagate 10/20GB Travan tape drive, $60 or B.O. zonk@evilcricket.com lombardoevilcricketcom; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun May 9 00:16:01 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server Message-ID: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? I'm thinking of installing cygwin and openssh on a MS Windows 2000 server and using ssh on the Linux system to cat a disk image file, piping it to dd which copies it to the proper hard drive. I'm also interested in using a native MS Windows 2000 server and corresponding Linux client (such as an SMB server and Samba client). NFS can be quite slow; is SMB any faster? I suspect I should stay away from using network filesystems due to slower speeds. An open source software solution is preferred. Proprietary solutions would also be considered, especially for a significant speed gain. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sun May 9 00:36:34 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server In-Reply-To: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <409DC362.9090303@cascopoint.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: I`d suggest instaling some windows FTP server like WARftp, i`m not very knowledgable in windows world, IIS might do :)) scp is also OK, but places a strain on encrypting/decrypting. I also do not think that SMB or NFS would amount to any slowdown, honestly I`d like to know why you think so. in the en ftp is probably the most open and standard way. >Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk >image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? > >I'm thinking of installing cygwin and openssh on a MS Windows 2000 >server and using ssh on the Linux system to cat a disk image file, >piping it to dd which copies it to the proper hard drive. > >I'm also interested in using a native MS Windows 2000 server and >corresponding Linux client (such as an SMB server and Samba client). > >NFS can be quite slow; is SMB any faster? I suspect I should >stay away from using network filesystems due to slower speeds. > >An open source software solution is preferred. Proprietary solutions >would also be considered, especially for a significant speed gain. > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun May 9 10:01:37 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server In-Reply-To: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <409E47D1.3030401@visi.com> Ghost. Ken Fuchs wrote: >Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk >image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? > >I'm thinking of installing cygwin and openssh on a MS Windows 2000 >server and using ssh on the Linux system to cat a disk image file, >piping it to dd which copies it to the proper hard drive. > >I'm also interested in using a native MS Windows 2000 server and >corresponding Linux client (such as an SMB server and Samba client). > >NFS can be quite slow; is SMB any faster? I suspect I should >stay away from using network filesystems due to slower speeds. > >An open source software solution is preferred. Proprietary solutions >would also be considered, especially for a significant speed gain. > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun May 9 11:41:44 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) bind failed on port 137 socket_addr = _*192.168.1.1.*_ The trailing "_*.*_" may be your problem. I don't see any other "_*.*_" at the end of the other lines from your log.nmbd so it may be in the smb.conf file. BTW don't use 0 or 1 or 254 for the trailing octet in an IP address. Some TCP/IP stuff use 0 and/or 254 and 1 is just not used for PC's or Servers (sort of bad form) generally 1 is used for a gateway. Sam. Randy Clarksean wrote: >I have just pulled my hair out for several hours trying to figure out WHY >nmbd would NOT start on one of my Linux boxes. I guess I am looking for an >explanation/education as to the subtle issues associated with the smb.conf >file. > >I was configuring a Suse 9.0 box to use Samba. I had a RH7.2 box that I had >never configured samba on ... so I went ahead and did that ... it worked >fine. It showed up in network neighborhood, etc. without a problem. The >Suse9 box flaked on and off .. so it seemed .. until it finally would not >show up in network neighborhood. I could search for the IP address, and it >would show up that way ... so nmbd was not running and allowing it to show >up as it should. > >What I finally found was one difference between the smb.conf files on the >two systems. A portion of the smb.conf file is found below. > > > workgroup = WORKGROUP > server string = Suse_box > netbios name = Suse9 > os level = 2 > time server = Yes > unix extensions = Yes > encrypt passwords = yes > map to guest = Bad User > log file = /var/log/samba/%m > log level = 3 > printing = CUPS > printcap name = CUPS ># Please uncomment the following entry and replace the IP address and ># netmask with the values of your network interface configuration. >; interfaces = 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.1.1/24 ># By this limit also NMB name servie to the listed interfaces above. Before ># activating this, read carefully the 'bind interfaces only' section of the ># smb.conf man page. >; bind interfaces only = Yes > >The interfaces line is the one that I eventually had to comment out. I >stumbled upon this by comparing the testparm output for both smb.conf files >(working and non-visible system) > >I finally (yes finally) looked into the log.nmbd file to see if I could >discover anything. Excerpts are shown below. > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(795) > Netbios nameserver version 2.2.8a-SuSE started. > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 1] lib/debug.c:debug_message(258) > INFO: Debug class all level = 3 (pid 1615 from pid 1615) >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:reload_nmbd_services(292) > services not loaded >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(833) > Becoming a daemon. >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(862) > Opening sockets 137 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) > bind succeeded on port 137 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) > bind succeeded on port 138 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:open_sockets(550) > open_sockets: Broadcast sockets opened. >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) > added interface ip=127.0.0.1 bcast=127.255.255.255 nmask=255.0.0.0 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) > added interface ip=192.168.1.1 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > bind failed on port 137 socket_addr = 192.168.1.1. > Error = Cannot assign requested address >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_subnetdb.c:make_subnet(139) >nmbd_subnetdb:make_subnet() > Failed to open nmb socket on interface 192.168.1.1 for port 137. Error >was Cannot assign requested address >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(873) > ERROR: Failed when creating subnet lists. Exiting. > >My server has two NICs ... one is 192.168.1.1 .... it SEEMS that as it hit >that machine it tried to open port 137 and died. I am guessing it did that >because I have a firewall on that system .... hopefully a fairly tight one. > >Should this (the firewall) have caused nmbd to not start? It could not be >started in any shape or form until I commented out the interfaces line. I >added that interface line because I thought it was the proper thing to do. > >I guess I am looking for some insight from someone much better at this sort >of thing than I. Thoughts and comments appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >Randy > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun May 9 11:03:23 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> Message-ID: <06cd01c435df$2a434f90$0201a8c0@office> It sort of is and sort of isn't a gateway ... it routes all traffic to the internet for three different MS workgroups (3 different businesses) .. plus it handles the firewall / router type activities ... this one box is the poor man's everything ... thanks for the tips ... I will look more at the interface command in the smb.conf file when I get some more time Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start > [2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > bind failed on port 137 socket_addr = _*192.168.1.1.*_ > > > The trailing "_*.*_" may be your problem. I don't see any other "_*.*_" > at the end of the other lines from your > > log.nmbd so it may be in the smb.conf file. > > > BTW don't use 0 or 1 or 254 for the trailing octet in an IP address. > Some TCP/IP stuff use 0 and/or 254 and > 1 is just not used for PC's or Servers (sort of bad form) generally 1 is > used for a gateway. > > Sam. > > Randy Clarksean wrote: > > >I have just pulled my hair out for several hours trying to figure out WHY > >nmbd would NOT start on one of my Linux boxes. I guess I am looking for an > >explanation/education as to the subtle issues associated with the smb.conf > >file. > > > >I was configuring a Suse 9.0 box to use Samba. I had a RH7.2 box that I had > >never configured samba on ... so I went ahead and did that ... it worked > >fine. It showed up in network neighborhood, etc. without a problem. The > >Suse9 box flaked on and off .. so it seemed .. until it finally would not > >show up in network neighborhood. I could search for the IP address, and it > >would show up that way ... so nmbd was not running and allowing it to show > >up as it should. > > > >What I finally found was one difference between the smb.conf files on the > >two systems. A portion of the smb.conf file is found below. > > > > > > workgroup = WORKGROUP > > server string = Suse_box > > netbios name = Suse9 > > os level = 2 > > time server = Yes > > unix extensions = Yes > > encrypt passwords = yes > > map to guest = Bad User > > log file = /var/log/samba/%m > > log level = 3 > > printing = CUPS > > printcap name = CUPS > ># Please uncomment the following entry and replace the IP address and > ># netmask with the values of your network interface configuration. > >; interfaces = 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.1.1/24 > ># By this limit also NMB name servie to the listed interfaces above. Before > ># activating this, read carefully the 'bind interfaces only' section of the > ># smb.conf man page. > >; bind interfaces only = Yes > > > >The interfaces line is the one that I eventually had to comment out. I > >stumbled upon this by comparing the testparm output for both smb.conf files > >(working and non-visible system) > > > >I finally (yes finally) looked into the log.nmbd file to see if I could > >discover anything. Excerpts are shown below. > > > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(795) > > Netbios nameserver version 2.2.8a-SuSE started. > > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 1] lib/debug.c:debug_message(258) > > INFO: Debug class all level = 3 (pid 1615 from pid 1615) > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:reload_nmbd_services(292) > > services not loaded > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(833) > > Becoming a daemon. > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(862) > > Opening sockets 137 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) > > bind succeeded on port 137 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(813) > > bind succeeded on port 138 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 3] nmbd/nmbd.c:open_sockets(550) > > open_sockets: Broadcast sockets opened. > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) > > added interface ip=127.0.0.1 bcast=127.255.255.255 nmask=255.0.0.0 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(81) > > added interface ip=192.168.1.1 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > > bind failed on port 137 socket_addr = 192.168.1.1. > > Error = Cannot assign requested address > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_subnetdb.c:make_subnet(139) > >nmbd_subnetdb:make_subnet() > > Failed to open nmb socket on interface 192.168.1.1 for port 137. Error > >was Cannot assign requested address > >[2004/05/08 14:50:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(873) > > ERROR: Failed when creating subnet lists. Exiting. > > > >My server has two NICs ... one is 192.168.1.1 .... it SEEMS that as it hit > >that machine it tried to open port 137 and died. I am guessing it did that > >because I have a firewall on that system .... hopefully a fairly tight one. > > > >Should this (the firewall) have caused nmbd to not start? It could not be > >started in any shape or form until I commented out the interfaces line. I > >added that interface line because I thought it was the proper thing to do. > > > >I guess I am looking for some insight from someone much better at this sort > >of thing than I. Thoughts and comments appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > >Randy > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun May 9 13:51:38 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> Message-ID: <004e01c435f6$a90105e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > BTW don't use 0 or 1 or 254 for the trailing octet in an IP address. > Some TCP/IP stuff use 0 and/or 254 and > 1 is just not used for PC's or Servers (sort of bad form) generally 1 > is used for a gateway. That's incorrect. You can't use the first and last IP addresses in a subnet. In the case of a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask, that would be 0 and 255. 0 is the subnet ID and 255 is broadcast. One IP address must be used for the gateway, and generally it is the first address (but doesn't have to be) after the subnet ID, so 1 would be the gateway. In a NAT setup, you may be using a PC as a gateway, in which case using 1 is quite acceptable. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: plone.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun May 9 14:26:59 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server References: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: Ken Fuchs writes: > Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk > image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? netcat. > NFS can be quite slow; is SMB any faster? I suspect I should > stay away from using network filesystems due to slower speeds. no, smb is not faster. basically what i would do is install cygwin and netcat on the windows file server. on the server: cat disk.img | nc -l -p 8080 on the client, probably booted up using knoppix or something like it: nc windowsfileserver 8080 | dd of=/dev/xxx (where xxx is the node of the target disk) afaik this is the fastest way to move data accross a network all else being equal. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: plone.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun May 9 14:39:38 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows 2000 server In-Reply-To: <409DC362.9090303@cascopoint.com> (message from Anton Yurchenko on Sun, 09 May 2004 00:36:34 -0500) References: <200405090516.i495G1d13642@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <409DC362.9090303@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <200405091939.i49JdcI20397@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Someone suggested netcat (or socat), gzip and dd via private e-mail. It sounds simple and efficient. Thank you! Anton Yurchenko >Ken Fuchs wrote: >I`d suggest installing some windows FTP server like WARftp, i`m not very >knowledgeable in windows world, IIS might do :)) >scp is also OK, but places a strain on encrypting/decrypting. ftp sounds fine, but how can it be piped to dd, so dd can copy it to /dev/hda for example? The disk image can be split into pieces and copied to a ram disk using ftp and dd could copy the pieces in ramdisk to /dev/hda, but I'd prefer a pipe between ftp and dd. >I also do not think that SMB or NFS would amount to any slowdown, >honestly I`d like to know why you think so. Many years ago, I heard that NFS was about 20% efficient with Ethernet bandwidth. Of course, I don't know whether that is still true. >>Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk >>image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? >> >>I'm thinking of installing cygwin and openssh on a MS Windows 2000 >>server and using ssh on the Linux system to cat a disk image file, >>piping it to dd which copies it to the proper hard drive. >> >>I'm also interested in using a native MS Windows 2000 server and >>corresponding Linux client (such as an SMB server and Samba client). >> >>NFS can be quite slow; is SMB any faster? I suspect I should >>stay away from using network filesystems due to slower speeds. >> >>An open source software solution is preferred. Proprietary solutions >>would also be considered, especially for a significant speed gain. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: plone.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun May 9 18:14:41 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+X * Outside+Sun = Hard to see Message-ID: <200405091814.41694@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> Slight off topic. What are people doing who wifi outside? With contrast and brightness full-on, I can barely see my desktop. Throw in polarized sunglasses and I see absolutely nothing. I experimented with different color bg and fg, but nothing really seemed to help. Anyone have any recommendations? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun May 9 18:18:51 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website In-Reply-To: <200405032236.39942.jack@jacku.com> References: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> <20040503203118.00002914@schubert> <200405032236.39942.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <200405091818.51346@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 03 May 2004 10:36 pm, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I'm willing to help out site development if you want it. > > Bob: What versions of Plone and Zope are you running? plone 1.0.5.20030909 zope 2.6.4-1.1 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun May 9 18:23:24 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate =?iso-8859-1?q?a=09dependency?= In-Reply-To: <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> References: <4097FB2D.5030209@structural-wood.com> <4098031B.9070705@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200405091823.24825@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 04 May 2004 03:54 pm, Kent Schumacher wrote: > For completeness, apt was not happy. Any time I queried the rpm > db I got a complaint about an invalid signature. I did a > rpm --rebuilddb, and rpm dumped the record for ximians openoffice. > > The rpm is still installed, it's just not being tracked by rpm. > > I guess the next step is to bdiff the original rpm with my > hacked rpm and hex edit the signature. > > This is really dumb - there should be an easy way to edit the > dependency info of an rpm. > > Entertainingly enough, the documents for rpmlib are out of sync > with the actual library, and the sole rpmlib example doesn't > compile because the API has changed radically. I'll give a hint here, but I can't say I recommend it. You can comment out the gpg signature check in the lua scripts. I think not checking signatures is a bad idea. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun May 9 19:33:34 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+X * Outside+Sun = Hard to see In-Reply-To: <200405091814.41694@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Put a bag over your head :-) Kidding.. really mean that trying something like the hood on an old view camera (dark cloth draped over the head and screen) may be the simplest answer. Umbrella and simple side shades probably won't be enough. Foldable cardboard hood that extends about a foot forward from the screen top might be enough. There are some special monitor screens that have tiny Venetian blind-like slots that do a fine job on some kinds of screens. I think 3M made some of these. Have seen some advertised in the last year or so, so they can be had... maybe at places like Midwest Surplus & Electronics or other local "junk shops". These screens are thin. Must look closely to see the slats which may not be as much as 1/16" deep. Store people are unlikely to know what these really are except "glare screens". Good chance that one of these will do the trick unless the sun is low and coming over your shoulder onto the screen... then just turn 90 degrees and keep the glare from your eyes. :-) Glare and contrast-reducing background are the big problems. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Slight off topic. > > What are people doing who wifi outside? > > With contrast and brightness full-on, I can barely see my desktop. Throw in > polarized sunglasses and I see absolutely nothing. > > I experimented with different color bg and fg, but nothing really seemed to > help. > > Anyone have any recommendations? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun May 9 20:02:25 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <4097C2F8.4090906@structural-wood.com> References: <4097C2F8.4090906@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200405092002.25167@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 04 May 2004 11:21 am, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous > dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with another > package. > > Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous > dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. rpm2cpio | cpio -i openoffice.spec Edit openoffice.spec to your hearts desire. rpm -ba openoffice.spec I can tell you that if you want to use the ximian openoffice you'll have to have a ton of ximian dev/libs installed. This is one of the reasons I moved away from Ximian. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun May 9 23:22:44 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+X * Outside+Sun = Hard to see In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409F0394.5000702@visi.com> I wouldn't leave an LCD in the sun for long. A past co-worker left her Pilot exposed to the sun on a table. It took the better part of a day for it to come back, it failed about a month later. Sam. Chuck Cole wrote: >Put a bag over your head :-) Kidding.. really mean that trying something like the hood on an old view camera (dark cloth draped >over the head and screen) may be the simplest answer. Umbrella and simple side shades probably won't be enough. Foldable cardboard >hood that extends about a foot forward from the screen top might be enough. > >There are some special monitor screens that have tiny Venetian blind-like slots that do a fine job on some kinds of screens. I >think 3M made some of these. Have seen some advertised in the last year or so, so they can be had... maybe at places like Midwest >Surplus & Electronics or other local "junk shops". These screens are thin. Must look closely to see the slats which may not be as >much as 1/16" deep. Store people are unlikely to know what these really are except "glare screens". Good chance that one of these >will do the trick unless the sun is low and coming over your shoulder onto the screen... then just turn 90 degrees and keep the >glare from your eyes. :-) >Glare and contrast-reducing background are the big problems. > >Chuck > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner >> >>Slight off topic. >> >>What are people doing who wifi outside? >> >>With contrast and brightness full-on, I can barely see my desktop. Throw in >>polarized sunglasses and I see absolutely nothing. >> >>I experimented with different color bg and fg, but nothing really seemed to >>help. >> >>Anyone have any recommendations? >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon May 10 07:33:27 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing an rpm .spec file to eliminate a dependency In-Reply-To: <200405092002.25167@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <4097C2F8.4090906@structural-wood.com> <200405092002.25167@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <409F7697.8030001@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 04 May 2004 11:21 am, Kent Schumacher wrote: > >>I'm trying to install ximians openoffice rpm, and it's got a gratuitous >>dependency on ximians cups package, which of course conflicts with another >>package. >> >>Is there any way to simply extract the spec file, take out the gratuitous >>dependency, and then reinsert the spec file in the package. > > > rpm2cpio | cpio -i openoffice.spec > > Edit openoffice.spec to your hearts desire. > > rpm -ba openoffice.spec > In the case of ximians openoffice, this leads to massive rebuilding (scripts, binaries, translations, ...), and ultimately fails because it requires all sorts of specific ximian development packages. What I was hoping for was some way of extracting a spec file, removing the one dependency, and 're-inserting' the spec file... > I can tell you that if you want to use the ximian openoffice you'll have to > have a ton of ximian dev/libs installed. > > This is one of the reasons I moved away from Ximian. > > This comment cements my conclusion that I too need to give up on Ximian. At least oo.org's tar file installs easily, cleanly, and allow parallel installs. With all I've learned in this thread, I'll probably build an rpm that tracks the files installed by oo.org's tar file. Thanks, Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon May 10 08:22:00 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+X * Outside+Sun = Hard to see In-Reply-To: <200405091814.41694@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200405091814.41694@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 May 2004, Bob Tanner wrote: > What are people doing who wifi outside? > > With contrast and brightness full-on, I can barely see my desktop. Throw > in polarized sunglasses and I see absolutely nothing. I generally find some shade. :) > I experimented with different color bg and fg, but nothing really seemed > to help. > > Anyone have any recommendations? I've seen those glare screen things on desktop monitors that sit directly in the sun (through a window) before; they usually seem to help quite a bit. Maybe someone makes them for laptops? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon May 10 10:16:05 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Unhappy In-Reply-To: <200405070109.i4719pDU026670@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: Since you're using Virtual PC, something you might want to keep in mind for your next upgrade is to enable the don't write changes to virtual disk option. (Whatever Virtual PC calls it.) That way, if something does go wrong (and odds are it will with testing releases) you can disgard all the changes and be right back where you started. Won't help you now of course, but something to keep in mind for the future. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon May 10 11:32:42 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recovering Data from an OSX drive Message-ID: Anyone ever tried to recover data from a OSX drive using tools like the LNX-BBC, or just Linux in general? Our Mac admin's system took a dive and OSX isn't recognizing his hard drive. As a last ditch effort, we tried to stick the drive in a PC and boot it up with the lnx-bbc. After running through mount commands, mount -t hft /dev/hda9 /somewhere worked, but all ls shows is .finderinfo, .resource, and .rootinfo. Anyone have any tips? Given the amount of I/O errors I get while the LNX-BBC boots and the endless stream I/O errors gpart generates, I'm not hopeing for much, though having /dev/hda9 mount is promising. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Mon May 10 12:05:10 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recovering Data from an OSX drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040510170510.GB14754@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 11:32:42AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: [...] > mount -t hft /dev/hda9 /somewhere > > worked, but all ls shows is .finderinfo, .resource, and .rootinfo. > Did you try manually mounting the drive like that in an OSX machine? My understanding was that HFS+ is not well supported under Linux, but perhaps that's changed. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Joe_Stout at cargill.com Mon May 10 10:33:15 2004 From: Joe_Stout at cargill.com (Joe_Stout@cargill.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Server 3.0 on SAN Emulex LP9802, McData DS24M2 and CLARiiON (CX) Message-ID: Has anyone attempted or been successful using this combination? Currently EMC apparently does not support a driver for the emulex LP9802, but has anyone used the generic driver? What configuration changes were required? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon May 10 15:24:47 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some help ASAP Message-ID: <02c601c436cc$d6e29ba0$4bae6742@DELL2> We have been running a Norton anitvirus gateway box, relaying mail to 5 school districts. It died this afternoon. I have a working fedora box with sendmail that I can add the IP of the dead server to. What would I need to do to the config to receive and relay mail to the appropriate mail server after scanning for viruses. I am using webmin to manage sendmail. I know I need to add the domains into /etc/access and add them in as a relay domain too, but not sure how to send it on to them once scanned. Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon May 10 15:39:37 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some help ASAP Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63F24@ipserver2.interplastic.com> One thought - NAV for gateways runs on Solaris, I'm assuming you have it on Windows. We moved ours awhile back to Solaris and have been happy. Not sure if Linux is supported. If you are on maintenance, the next release adds whitelists and quite a few other niceties. Sorry for the top post. > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Norton [SMTP:admin@lctn.org] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] need some help ASAP > > We have been running a Norton anitvirus gateway box, relaying mail to 5 > school districts. It died this afternoon. I have a working fedora box with > sendmail that I can add the IP of the dead server to. What would I need to > do to the config to receive and relay mail to the appropriate mail server > after scanning for viruses. > > I am using webmin to manage sendmail. I know I need to add the domains > into > /etc/access and add them in as a relay domain too, but not sure how to > send > it on to them once scanned. > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon May 10 15:38:16 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some help ASAP In-Reply-To: <02c601c436cc$d6e29ba0$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <02c601c436cc$d6e29ba0$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <1084221495.10306.140.camel@unixws1> mailertable? On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:24, Raymond Norton wrote: > We have been running a Norton anitvirus gateway box, relaying mail to 5 > school districts. It died this afternoon. I have a working fedora box with > sendmail that I can add the IP of the dead server to. What would I need to > do to the config to receive and relay mail to the appropriate mail server > after scanning for viruses. > > I am using webmin to manage sendmail. I know I need to add the domains into > /etc/access and add them in as a relay domain too, but not sure how to send > it on to them once scanned. > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > admin@lctn.org > > > To Infinity and beyond! > > --Buzz Lightyear > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon May 10 15:42:02 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows Message-ID: <200405102042.i4AKg2SJ004162@tundra.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs writes: >> Anyone have suggestions on what might be the fastest way to copy a disk >> image from an MS Windows 2000 server to a GNU/Linux client's hard drive? Munir Nassar wrote: >netcat. Great idea, but the server needs to handle multiple simultaneous clients, all getting the same image file. A deamon of some sort is needed on the server side. Maybe SMB would work ok? It just wouldn't be very fast? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon May 10 16:00:48 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need some help ASAP In-Reply-To: <02c601c436cc$d6e29ba0$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <02c601c436cc$d6e29ba0$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 May 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using webmin to manage sendmail. I know I need to add the domains > into /etc/access and add them in as a relay domain too, but not sure how > to send it on to them once scanned. If you've got your scanning host listed as the primary MX, you'll want to use mailertable to forward the mail onto the proper server. Something like: example.com esmtp:[192.168.100.1] example2.com esmtp:[10.0.0.5] See: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/mailertables.html -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at math.umn.edu Mon May 10 16:13:36 2004 From: dave at math.umn.edu (Dave Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Fastest way to copy a disk image from an MS Windows In-Reply-To: <200405102042.i4AKg2SJ004162@tundra.winternet.com> References: <200405102042.i4AKg2SJ004162@tundra.winternet.com> Message-ID: <200405101613.36915.dave@math.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Great idea, but the server needs to handle multiple simultaneous > clients, all getting the same image file. > > A deamon of some sort is needed on the server side. inetd/xinetd and netcat? - -- - -dave Dave Carlson Systems Administrator 8 Vincent Hall 612-625-4895 PGP Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAn/CAzhF8S1MJl6cRAmMBAJ4wfbLLzq40f1K40S1zmVzH4Fcl7QCgsqow HAP26cSOYT+35Re0/Fr3QH8= =tP2m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon May 10 17:46:46 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recovering Data from an OSX drive In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, May 10, 2004 at 11:32:42AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040510174646.A4364@real-time.com> On 05/10 11:32 , Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Anyone have any tips? Given the amount of I/O errors I get while the > LNX-BBC boots and the endless stream I/O errors gpart generates, I'm > not hopeing for much, though having /dev/hda9 mount is promising. Take a dd of the drive for now; then muck with that copy. Then when you have HFS stuff figured out (try knoppix?); you'll still have a 'good' image to try on. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon May 10 22:57:16 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Begining Linux Classes Message-ID: <1180.192.1.1.23.1084247836.squirrel@dccmn.com> Heritage Christian Academy has been using Linux in several different applications, as a firewall, network gateway, web server, e-mail server, VPN, and even a database for both a production environment and for classes. We'd like to give back to the Linux community, by holding a set of Beginning Linux classes. This will including things like installing, configuring, and networking. Classes are on various Saturday mornings at Heritage Christian Academy's computer lab in Plymouth. There is no cost, but we would appreciate a donation if you feel the class was beneficial. This is something of an experiment, so it's likely to be very informal (although shirt and shoes are required). Further info can be found on the ACETT web site (www.acett.net). --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This will including things like installing, configuring, and networking. Classes are on various Saturday mornings at Heritage Christian Academy's computer lab in Plymouth. There is no cost, but we would appreciate a donation if you feel the class was beneficial. This is something of an experiment, so it's likely to be very informal (although shirt and shoes are required). Further info can be found on the ACETT web site (www.acett.net). --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue May 11 00:44:09 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beta testing of the new tclug website In-Reply-To: <200405091818.51346@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <20040503232026.GY18864@real-time.com> <20040503203118.00002914@schubert> <200405032236.39942.jack@jacku.com> <200405091818.51346@join.the.twin.cities.linux.users.group.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1084254248.21207.2.camel@bigtime> > > Bob: What versions of Plone and Zope are you running? > > plone 1.0.5.20030909 > zope 2.6.4-1.1 I've had no end of trouble with plone 1.0. Its really recommended you run 2.0. Anyone know where to find debian packages for plone 2.0? ;P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue May 11 09:15:07 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Begining Linux Classes In-Reply-To: <1181.192.1.1.23.1084247897.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1181.192.1.1.23.1084247897.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040511141507.GA25825@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Kraigjones at aol.com Tue May 11 09:54:16 2004 From: Kraigjones at aol.com (Kraigjones@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP for DSL Message-ID: <9a.a319ad9.2dd24318@aol.com> Does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that work well with Quest's DSL services? I want to replace this AOL dial-up account with something faster and more flexible, but I don't want to unknowingly lose some of the features I've grown used to when I move to another ISP. I've read some of the ISP reviews in the TCLUG archive, and checked out the web pages of the local ISPs, but I'm somewhat confused by many of the service plans I've found. I'm not sure what I'm getting, whether or not I need it, or whether there is an alternative by another name, that's better. I have several computers at home, and connecting to the internet with any one of them is as simple (?) as plugging in the phone line and dialling AOL. As I understand it, DSL uses one modem, and a router, switch or even a single NIC on the computer side. Some of the ISPs don't seem to have any problem with multiple computers connecting through a local network, others seem to have severe restrictions, and other ISPs don't say anything at all. Can I connect any computer on by home network? I don't necessarily need more than one internet connection at a time. What about wireless connections? I'll soon have a notebook with a wireless card. Also, my wife uses a computer provided by her employer to access email. It uses some kind of nationwide dial-up network to connect to the company's network. This system is very restricted in what can and can't be done, although I'm assuming that it could use the DSL line if available. Anyone know of any problems we may have? With AOL, I have up to five (now seven) email accounts (screen names). The ISPs I've looked at seem to offer varying numbers of email addresses, from seven or eight to only one. I'd like to have five -- would ISPs provide this, or is there a better way? Some of the ISPs offer "personal web pages", usually with more or less restrictions. I don't anticipate having anything big or elaborate, but this may be a nice feature. Any comments? Finally, the reason I want to replace AOL is so that I can use Linux more. AOL doesn't even respond to questions about Linux access etc.; some of the other ISPs appear to have very good support for Linux, others no more flexible than AOL. Thanks for any recommendations/suggestions/comments. Kraig Jones _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue May 11 10:25:23 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP for DSL In-Reply-To: <9a.a319ad9.2dd24318@aol.com> References: <9a.a319ad9.2dd24318@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040511152523.GC25825@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue May 11 12:26:30 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where is my disk space? Message-ID: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> I'm a little confused by what I am seeing with the du and df commands. Regarding my partition mounted at /home, df says I've used 13443436k (~13gig) while du says I've used 9914552k (<10gig) [see below]. This is a redhat 7.2 system. There are some files over 2 gig. I know there was a 2gig linux file size limit at one time but I thought this was resolved by the time RH 7.2 was released. I also thought it might be because of the difference in the way it calculated used space, used blocks as apposed to actual file size, but that it still too big of a difference. Fragmentation perhaps? Any thoughts? [root@ringmaster tomp]# df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda3 40316360 16172708 22095648 43% / /dev/hda1 99521 20083 74299 22% /boot /dev/hda5 16126920 13443436 1864284 88% /home /dev/hdb1 115377640 70243776 39272952 65% /var/lib/mysql none 386324 0 386324 0% /dev/shm /dev/hdc2 44283936 26249508 15784928 63% /d /dev/hda6 16126920 12389192 2918528 81% /mnt/new [root@ringmaster tomp]# du -s /home 9914552 /home -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy.schmid at astound.net Tue May 11 13:09:22 2004 From: andy.schmid at astound.net (Andy Schmid) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where is my disk space? In-Reply-To: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> References: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: du -h, the -h makes it in a 'human readable' format (i.e. MB, KB, GB) On 11 May 2004 12:26:30 -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > I'm a little confused by what I am seeing with the du and df commands. > Regarding my partition mounted at /home, df says I've used 13443436k > (~13gig) while du says I've used 9914552k (<10gig) [see below]. > > This is a redhat 7.2 system. There are some files over 2 gig. I know > there was a 2gig linux file size limit at one time but I thought this > was resolved by the time RH 7.2 was released. > > I also thought it might be because of the difference in the way it > calculated used space, used blocks as apposed to actual file size, but > that it still too big of a difference. > > Fragmentation perhaps? Any thoughts? > > [root@ringmaster tomp]# df > Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda3 40316360 16172708 22095648 43% / > /dev/hda1 99521 20083 74299 22% /boot > /dev/hda5 16126920 13443436 1864284 88% /home > /dev/hdb1 115377640 70243776 39272952 65% /var/lib/mysql > none 386324 0 386324 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hdc2 44283936 26249508 15784928 63% /d > /dev/hda6 16126920 12389192 2918528 81% /mnt/new > > [root@ringmaster tomp]# du -s /home > 9914552 /home > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue May 11 13:20:46 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where is my disk space? In-Reply-To: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> References: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040511182046.GA8623@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 12:26:30PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > I'm a little confused by what I am seeing with the du and df commands. > Regarding my partition mounted at /home, df says I've used 13443436k > (~13gig) while du says I've used 9914552k (<10gig) [see below]. Hrm, a little googling suggests the command: lsof | grep deleted The idea being that space taken by an open but "deleted" file is counted differently by df and du. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue May 11 15:53:38 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405112053.i4BKrcm21035@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: used pci lvd card Just wondering if anyone has a used pci lvd card in their junk box (ultra 160) I can buy one off ebay, but thought I would ask around before trying an auction. Card can work on linux, windoze, aix or solaris, prefer linux or windows, since those machines are most easily available. want to spend under $100, if possible. Thanks, Brent Friedman bfriedmanexstreamcom; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 12 08:22:05 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc Message-ID: Hi all- A buddy of mine is throwing me a "small potato" and giving me 1/2 the cut. The job is setting up a small ftp server for a client. The requirements are (seemingly) next to nothing: A site where clients of the client can drop off files (under 20 Meg a day) and at the end of the day, generate a report of what got tranferred and move the transferred files off to a backup machine. I immediately thought of SSH and sftp, gave warnings of the insecurities of ftp etc - but was told that the end users will not touch the command line and will be using IE to conenct and drag -n- drop files to the ftp server. OOOkkkayyy... Ok, so I thought of using vsftp and making a blind, anonymous "drop off" ftp server... Connect as anonymous, drop files in an "incoming" location and that's it. The box will most likely be a walmart special x86 (uptime is not a concern from what he tells me a.k.a rebuild box if it goes south.). I have to choose a linux distro for this. I use gentoo day-to-day, so I thought of using that and vsftp (I also use this on my personal box). So - Gentoo, vsftpd, sshd for my remote access, on an el cheapo box, set customer expections up front, clue bat, what else am I going to need? Any advice, warnings, etc - This will be my first time doing something like this... :\ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 12 08:54:35 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512135435.GA2197@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed May 12 09:12:12 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 08:22:05AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi all- > > A buddy of mine is throwing me a "small potato" and giving me 1/2 the > cut. The job is setting up a small ftp server for a client. > > The requirements are (seemingly) next to nothing: > > A site where clients of the client can drop off files (under 20 Meg a day) > and at the end of the day, generate a report of what got tranferred and > move the transferred files off to a backup machine. > > I immediately thought of SSH and sftp, gave warnings of the insecurities > of ftp etc - but was told that the end users will not touch the command > line and will be using IE to conenct and drag -n- drop files to the ftp > server. OOOkkkayyy... > > Ok, so I thought of using vsftp and making a blind, anonymous "drop off" > ftp server... Connect as anonymous, drop files in an "incoming" location > and that's it. > > The box will most likely be a walmart special x86 (uptime is not a concern > from what he tells me a.k.a rebuild box if it goes south.). I have to > choose a linux distro for this. I use gentoo day-to-day, so I thought of > using that and vsftp (I also use this on my personal box). > > So - Gentoo, vsftpd, sshd for my remote access, on an el cheapo box, set > customer expections up front, clue bat, what else am I going to need? > > Any advice, warnings, etc - This will be my first time doing something > like this... :\ Yah, I have to deal with FTP a lot - mostly because it's what people know. Two things - make sure the users don't have shell access (don't give them a valid shell or don't make them system users). Secondly, use ftpd to chroot them to their home dirs so that they can't cruise around your server. I havn't used vsftpd - but on freebsd with the standard ftpd I just set their shells to /NOLOGIN and add /NOLOGIN to /etc/shells. Then, ftpd has a file /etc/ftpchroot - any users in there get chrooted to their ~/. Works for me. Of course, /etc/ftpchroot is a bsd ftpd thing, but the shell thing should work with most ftp servers. I don't particularily like the anonymous idea. It opens you up to many more vulnerabilities - since now anyone that wants it can log in. Also, make sure the clients know that there is no security with ftp - don't let them send confidential info across the wire, or you may find yourself liable (I'm just making that up, i dunno, but i wouldn't be surprised). hth, dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 12 09:28:36 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> References: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040512142836.GC2197@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed May 12 09:27:29 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] handwriting recognition for llinux Message-ID: <4640.156.98.100.45.1084372049.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I'm going to be installing Fedora on a tablet PC in the next few days. >From what I've heard, this should be a pretty painless install, with the pen drivers working out of the box. The one thing I'm going to need is handwriting recognition. I'd like to be able to take notes and convert it to text in Openoffice/Abiword/vi/whatever. The Windoze Journal that comes with Xtra Perty Tablet Edition does a pretty decent job of this. Is there any comparable software on linux? I'm seeing a lot for embedded linux devices and PDAs but nothing for the tablet. TIA, Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 12 09:33:22 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> References: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:12:12 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > > I don't particularily like the anonymous idea. It opens you up to many > more vulnerabilities - since now anyone that wants it can log in. anonymous refers to actually loging in as the virtual ftp user "anonymous" (not a real username on the system) There's a whole set of config options for this "user" - like if the anonymous user can upload, download, read, write etc. From what I know it's more secure than letting real users login. > Also, make sure the clients know that there is no security with ftp - > don't let them send confidential info across the wire, or you may find > yourself liable (I'm just making that up, i dunno, but i wouldn't be > surprised). > Oh yeah - I've said this over and over... hence the eason I'm going with anonymous access - not real usernames/passwords will go accross the wire. > hth, > dan > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed May 12 08:38:50 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512133850.GA24938@fandre.com> Personally I would force them to use a more secure protocol, like sftp or TLS/SSL ftp. There are plenty of great GUI apps that do sftp and TLS/SSL ftp and supports dragging-and-dropping. I always hate the reason "because that is what they know". Have them learn something new. It's not rocket science. Fire up dsniff and show them how insecure regular ftp is. Then show them how easy some of the other GUI apps are. And as far as distros go, it doesn't matter, as long as you keep it up to date. On Wed, 12 May 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi all- > > A buddy of mine is throwing me a "small potato" and giving me 1/2 the > cut. The job is setting up a small ftp server for a client. > > The requirements are (seemingly) next to nothing: > > A site where clients of the client can drop off files (under 20 Meg a day) > and at the end of the day, generate a report of what got tranferred and > move the transferred files off to a backup machine. > > I immediately thought of SSH and sftp, gave warnings of the insecurities > of ftp etc - but was told that the end users will not touch the command > line and will be using IE to conenct and drag -n- drop files to the ftp > server. OOOkkkayyy... > > > Ok, so I thought of using vsftp and making a blind, anonymous "drop off" > ftp server... Connect as anonymous, drop files in an "incoming" location > and that's it. > > The box will most likely be a walmart special x86 (uptime is not a concern > from what he tells me a.k.a rebuild box if it goes south.). I have to > choose a linux distro for this. I use gentoo day-to-day, so I thought of > using that and vsftp (I also use this on my personal box). > > So - Gentoo, vsftpd, sshd for my remote access, on an el cheapo box, set > customer expections up front, clue bat, what else am I going to need? > > Any advice, warnings, etc - This will be my first time doing something > like this... :\ > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed May 12 09:49:20 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: References: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040512144920.GD26811@therub.org> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 09:33:22AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:12:12 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > > anonymous refers to actually loging in as the virtual ftp user "anonymous" > (not a real username on the system) There's a whole set of config options > for this "user" - like if the anonymous user can upload, download, read, > write etc. From what I know it's more secure than letting real users > login. > > Oh yeah - I've said this over and over... hence the eason I'm going with > anonymous access - not real usernames/passwords will go accross the wire. > Well, I disagree. You can make a user with the same restrictions as the user your were going to make anonymous - so it would be like an anonymous user, but with a username/password. As Chad pointed out, it's not a lot better - but I think it is better. Anon access anyone can get on. At least with a username/pass, you're limiting the amount of people that can discover that username through sniffing or whatever. Then, if someone discovers the username/pass - they're still no better off than if your server had anon access. I would really avoid anon. It's not meant as a form of security - it's meant to allow many people access a set of files. If you have just a few users, it makes _no sense_ to use anon like this. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 12 09:57:25 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:22:05 -0500 "Johnny Fulcrum" wrote: > I immediately thought of SSH and sftp, gave warnings of the > insecurities of ftp etc - but was told that the end users will not > touch the command line and will be using IE to conenct and drag -n- > drop files to the ftp server. OOOkkkayyy... If you can convince them to, WinSCP is a nice Windows standalone app for SFTP that has an extremely simple drag and drop interface. And it's open source. http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed May 12 10:04:32 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040512150432.GE26811@therub.org> > If you can convince them to, WinSCP is a nice Windows standalone app for SFTP that has an extremely simple drag and drop interface. And it's open source. > My problem with sftp is that it's harder to chroot - that and I don't want to give users shell access. The only solution I've found is scponly shell - http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ Anyone have any other brilliant solutions to that? I'd be curious to hear. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed May 12 10:08:34 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512142836.GC2197@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, May 12, 2004 at 09:28:36AM -0500 References: <20040512141212.GC26811@therub.org> <20040512142836.GC2197@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040512100834.A16845@thinkunix.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > If these people want to use IE to send files, why not do Apache + > WebDAV? You can more easily secure http (w/https) and give them > filesystem-like access (complete with access control). I too would recommend WebDAV. It's very easy to setup, and more secure because you don't have system (UNIX) accounts. Users/groups are handled through .htpasswd/.htgroup files. Windows 98 (with patches) and higher support it. Users should Find it easy to work with since most office apps have built in support. They still get their drag/drop once they've logged into the WebDAV server. http://www.webdav.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 12 10:49:50 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512150432.GE26811@therub.org> References: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040512150432.GE26811@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040512104950.000048d1@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:04:32 -0500 Dan Rue wrote: > My problem with sftp is that it's harder to chroot - that and I > don't want to give users shell access. The only solution I've found > is scponly shell - http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ I've set up a chroot sftp environment, I agree it's not the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's also not too bad and it's solid once the required files are in the required places. I guess you can also disable shell access by setting the shell to /etc/libexec/sftp-server - Found this here: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/318568/2003-04-09/2003-04-15/1 In addition to scponly, check out: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ and http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed May 12 11:29:35 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512104950.000048d1@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040512150432.GE26811@therub.org> <20040512104950.000048d1@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040512162935.GG26811@therub.org> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:49:50AM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I've set up a chroot sftp environment, I agree it's not the easiest thing > in the world to do, but it's also not too bad and it's solid once the > required files are in the required places. How do you scale that solution up, though? I don't want 10,000 copies of each lib. The only thing I can think that might work is making hard links to the same file (soft links wouldn't work) - but i usually try to avoid hard links like that. > > I guess you can also disable shell access by setting the shell to /etc/libexec/sftp-server - Found this here: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/318568/2003-04-09/2003-04-15/1 > > In addition to scponly, check out: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ and http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, i'll check out those links.. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 12 11:54:59 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP server setup - choosing distro, daemon ,etc In-Reply-To: <20040512162935.GG26811@therub.org> References: <20040512095725.000035ae@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040512150432.GE26811@therub.org> <20040512104950.000048d1@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040512162935.GG26811@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040512115459.00002a86@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:29:35 -0500 Dan Rue wrote: > How do you scale that solution up, though? I don't want 10,000 > copies of each lib. The only thing I can think that might work is > making hard links to the same file (soft links wouldn't work) - but > i usually try to avoid hard links like that. My situation is different I guess, I don't create a different chroot for each user, but rather for a group of users. I suppose you could also have it as a mount point? mount --bind /usr/local/somedir /chroot/somedir Does 10,000 mounts cause problems? Another possible problem with sftp in chroot is that you might need to have /dev mounted, cannot remember for sure. I'm certainly learning some good things to improve my current chroot. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed May 12 14:11:56 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory Message-ID: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ I have a number of directories like ${foo} When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cscheidecker at iexposure.com Tue May 11 13:13:44 2004 From: cscheidecker at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP for DSL In-Reply-To: <20040511152523.GC25825@wookimus.net> References: <9a.a319ad9.2dd24318@aol.com> <20040511152523.GC25825@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200405111313.44071.cscheidecker@iexposure.com> Internet Exposure - iexposure.com: we rock, honest! On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:25 am, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that work well with Quest's > > DSL services? > > Suggested ISP's: > 1. Real-Time Enterprises (real-time.com): They're cool. > 2. sihope.com: They're also cool. > 3. Visi.com: They're cool, too. > > Recommendation: Purchase a firewall or dedicate a PC to being a linux > firewall. Do NAT. Use one IP address. It's cheaper and easier to deal > with. > > Suggested Firewalls: > 1. Soekris 4801-50 Board and Case $264, $10 or $22 power supply > + http://www.soekris.com/how_to_buy.htm > + Run Ben Kochie's LEAF Linux distro > + Pro: Full control of your OS and software > + Con: Not any that I can see. Perhaps a little more expensive > than you might wish to spend. > > 2. Linksys WRT54G > + 4 port switch and Wireless AP built on Linux > + Cheapest found on pricewatch.com at $79.00 > + Pro: CHEAP! Based on Linux! > + Con: You need hack-foo to install your own "firmware" (upload any > new versions of the OS) > > 3. Any PC that's laying around + Linux > + Pro: Cheap!! > + Con: More power usage than necessary for simple router -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed May 12 14:27:34 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: rmdir \$\{foo\} I think. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of > dutchman_mn@charter.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory > > Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ > > I have a number of directories like ${foo} > > When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. > > Perry Hoekstra > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed May 12 14:31:52 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 May 2004, dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: > Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ > > I have a number of directories like ${foo} > > When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. rm -r /path/to/\$\{foo\} or rm -r '/path/to/${foo}' -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed May 12 14:35:39 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20040512193539.GA17195@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +0000, dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: > Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ > > I have a number of directories like ${foo} > > When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. > How about rmdir '${foo}' ? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed May 12 14:38:53 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <40A27D4D.2080403@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: | Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ | | I have a number of directories like ${foo} | | When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. | | Perry Hoekstra Anything that starts with a dollar sign is considered to be a variable by bash. To tell bash that you want to use the actual character $, precede the literal character with a backslash. In this case: rmdir \$foo or if the braces were literal also... rmdir \$\{foo\} - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAon1Niwhv4FBqkV8RAmodAKCFy+s4AtvDBGS8AUU/P9KOd7bcpgCfWt9h VgDJxMvpMKptZi6KQFGT4jo= =/rUa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 12 14:43:31 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20040512144331.00000e7f@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:11:56 +0000 wrote: > Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ > > I have a number of directories like ${foo} > > When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. When I get these types of things I usually do the following instead of attempting to use substitution and escape characters, one time I started accidentally deleting files from / doing that. Anyway: 1.) Make a temp dir outside the dir with the goofy named files. 2.) Move all the files/dirs you want to KEEP into the temp dir. Now you should have a directory containing only the files with garbage names. (Don't forget to check for dot-files) 3.) Note the permissions of your directory. Go up a level and rm -rf the dir you were in containing the garbage files. (you can also rm -rf * while inside the directory to skip step 4, but think before you press return) 4.) Re-create the dir with the same perms. 5.) Move the files from the temp dir back to the directory. This does little for you if you want to rename one of those files. If you can do this as a non-root user, do it. I realize this is not the easist or most elegant solution and other list members are probably shaking their heads, but I've personally found it to be the safest for these situations and it's easier than remembering escape characters or writing a script to do it. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed May 12 15:07:52 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory Message-ID: <200405122007.i4CK7qmv057178@mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net> Escaping the offending symbols worked. Thank you all, Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Wed May 12 15:22:46 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch@sk3tch.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP for DSL Message-ID: I can vouch for Internet Exposure. I use them for server co-location..top notch. ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Chris Scheidecker Sent: Tue 5/11/2004 1:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ISP for DSL Internet Exposure - iexposure.com: we rock, honest! On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:25 am, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that work well with Quest's > > DSL services? > > Suggested ISP's: > 1. Real-Time Enterprises (real-time.com): They're cool. > 2. sihope.com: They're also cool. > 3. Visi.com: They're cool, too. > > Recommendation: Purchase a firewall or dedicate a PC to being a linux > firewall. Do NAT. Use one IP address. It's cheaper and easier to deal > with. > > Suggested Firewalls: > 1. Soekris 4801-50 Board and Case $264, $10 or $22 power supply > + http://www.soekris.com/how_to_buy.htm > + Run Ben Kochie's LEAF Linux distro > + Pro: Full control of your OS and software > + Con: Not any that I can see. Perhaps a little more expensive > than you might wish to spend. > > 2. Linksys WRT54G > + 4 port switch and Wireless AP built on Linux > + Cheapest found on pricewatch.com at $79.00 > + Pro: CHEAP! Based on Linux! > + Con: You need hack-foo to install your own "firmware" (upload any > new versions of the OS) > > 3. Any PC that's laying around + Linux > + Pro: Cheap!! > + Con: More power usage than necessary for simple router -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed May 12 15:50:38 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon Message-ID: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I'm trying to set up an ordinary program, that writes stdout and stderr, as a daemon, to be run as a SysV service (in /etc/rc.d/init.d/). My understanding is that I must somehow detach it from stdout and stdin. I think I also need to somehow return a value from starting it up. So I had thought instead of just running , I'd write a script that would wrap around program. Then it would be that script which would, in turn, be controlled by /etc/rc.d/init.d/. Can anyone point me in the right direction for how to do this? Ideally, of course, a code snippet would be the best... I think the script should fork a process to run , redirect its output (perhaps to a logfile) and error output (perhaps using syslog), and then terminate. Is that the right thing to do? Thanks, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Wed May 12 16:25:48 2004 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon In-Reply-To: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 May 2004 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I think the script should fork a process to run , redirect > its output (perhaps to a logfile) and error output (perhaps using > syslog), and then terminate. Is that the right thing to do? > > Thanks, > R > What kind of script? I found a useful link for Perl daemons here: http://www.webreference.com/perl/tutorial/9/ Its advice is probably general enough to adapt to other scripting languages if need be. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed May 12 16:50:56 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: Another beermeeting this Friday, this time its in St.Paul at Upstairs at McGoverns. This Friday 6pm - whenever. Next time it is going to be someplace extra special, if you want to know early come to this beermeeting! -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 12 17:02:14 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon In-Reply-To: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040512220214.GD2197@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed May 12 18:07:12 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <007501c43875$dc486e80$0201a8c0@brinstar> rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > I'm trying to set up an ordinary program, that writes stdout and > stderr, as a daemon, to be run as a SysV service (in > /etc/rc.d/init.d/). http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed May 12 19:39:39 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beginning Linux Classes In-Reply-To: <20040511141507.GA25825@wookimus.net> References: <1181.192.1.1.23.1084247897.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040511141507.GA25825@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1126.192.1.1.23.1084408779.squirrel@dccmn.com> I'll look at those ideas, thanks. Is tclug-announce open for anyone to post? We have been talking about hosting an Installfest. Up till recently, the school has been settling into our new building so the administration has been hesitant on allowing external groups from using the building. We now have a proposal before them to host such an event. Chad Walstrom said: > Wayne Johnson wrote: >> We'd like to give back to the Linux community, by holding a set of >> Beginning Linux classes. This will including things like installing, >> configuring, and networking. > > A few places you could announce this: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org, the > TCLUG website, and possibly Computer User magazine (if they won't charge > you). > > Ever think of hosting TCLUG InstallFests? ;-) > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Wed May 12 20:02:04 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + Postfix + spam scanning + virus scanning Message-ID: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Does anyone know of a good reference (that you may have used) that documents using debian/postfix/spam and virus scanning? I know there are dozens out there, but if someone here has used one it would make me feel more confident. TIA, -Chuck Hays _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Wed May 12 20:16:18 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Deleting directory In-Reply-To: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200405121911.i4CJBuLq049119@mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20040513011618.GB20390@fireopal.org> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +0000, dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: > Question: How do you delete a directory that starts with ${ > > I have a number of directories like ${foo} > > When I try, it a bad substitution error out of bash. If you're interactive, how about rm ${f[tab]? My experience is that the tab auto-completion in bash appropriately escapes any weird file or directory names. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 12 21:22:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A2DBD5.6070603@visi.com> A beer meeting at Maynard's on beautiful Lake Minnetonka would be fun, I could stumble home! ;-) Sam. nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Another beermeeting this Friday, this time its in St.Paul at Upstairs > at McGoverns. > > This Friday 6pm - whenever. > > Next time it is going to be someplace extra special, if you want to > know early come to this beermeeting! > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Wed May 12 19:48:46 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon In-Reply-To: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040513004846.GA29517@dad1> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:50:38PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I'm trying to set up an ordinary program, that writes stdout and > stderr, as a daemon, to be run as a SysV service (in > /etc/rc.d/init.d/). > It looks to me like bash works fine: /usr/local/bin/myprogram < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1 & Take a skeleton /etc/init.d script, put the above in the start case, and in the stop case: killall myprogram _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Wed May 12 20:10:50 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: <004e01c435f6$a90105e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> <004e01c435f6$a90105e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040513011050.GB29517@dad1> On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 01:51:38PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > That's incorrect. You can't use the first and last IP addresses in a > subnet. In the case of a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask, that would be 0 and > 255. 0 is the subnet ID and 255 is broadcast. One IP address must be used > for the gateway, and generally it is the first address (but doesn't have to > be) after the subnet ID, so 1 would be the gateway. Anyone know why the first(x.x.x.0) IP address is reserved? What is it used for? Seems like a waste of a perfectly good address to me. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu May 13 00:35:29 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where is my disk space? In-Reply-To: <20040511182046.GA8623@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <1084296390.31609.1354.camel@lotsa> <20040511182046.GA8623@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1084426529.31609.3509.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:20, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 12:26:30PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > > I'm a little confused by what I am seeing with the du and df commands. > > Regarding my partition mounted at /home, df says I've used 13443436k > > (~13gig) while du says I've used 9914552k (<10gig) [see below]. > > Hrm, a little googling suggests the command: > > lsof | grep deleted > > The idea being that space taken by an open but "deleted" file is counted > differently by df and du. This was the problem. There were some old java processes running that never died. Our java app created these huge files, text dumps of large databases. The huge files were removed but the processes that created them never died. Hence the big "open but deleted" files using up disk space. Once we killed off the processes which were keeping the files open the results seen by du and df were in sync. Thats a new one for me. Thanks JT for helping me figure this out! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Thu May 13 05:35:56 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + Postfix + spam scanning + virus scanning References: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <00a401c438d6$1463d420$f7242893@FUNA08205SCN402> Can't recommend mailscanner enough. Don't really know about support for packages other than RPMs, but read more at: http://mailscanner.info Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hays" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, 13 May, 2004 03:02 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + Postfix + spam scanning + virus scanning > Does anyone know of a good reference (that you may have used) that > documents using debian/postfix/spam and virus scanning? > > I know there are dozens out there, but if someone here has used one it > would make me feel more confident. > > TIA, > > -Chuck Hays > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu May 13 09:13:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: <1084451351.14577.0.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> <004e01c435f6$a90105e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040513011050.GB29517@dad1> <1084451351.14577.0.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <40A38282.3020605@visi.com> I do believe (I could be wrong) that address space is less than 255 addresses per class C subnet. 0 to 254 would be 255 addresses for a class C network. So 0 to 254, less 0 (as a reserved address) is 254 addresses. Some one tell me if I'm mistaken please. Sam. Jon Schewe wrote: >On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 20:10, Karl Bongers wrote: > > >>On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 01:51:38PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: >> >> >>>That's incorrect. You can't use the first and last IP addresses in a >>>subnet. In the case of a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask, that would be 0 and >>>255. 0 is the subnet ID and 255 is broadcast. One IP address must be used >>>for the gateway, and generally it is the first address (but doesn't have to >>>be) after the subnet ID, so 1 would be the gateway. >>> >>> >>Anyone know why the first(x.x.x.0) IP address is reserved? >>What is it used for? >>Seems like a waste of a perfectly good address to me. >> >> >I found a good explanation of subnets as >http://www.ezine.com/EZInternet.SubNet.html > >This shuld answer your questions. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu May 13 08:35:53 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: <40A38282.3020605@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 May 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I do believe (I could be wrong) that address space is less than 255 > addresses per class C subnet. > 0 to 254 would be 255 addresses for a class C network. > > So 0 to 254, less 0 (as a reserved address) is 254 addresses. > > Some one tell me if I'm mistaken please. Not quite. The magic number is 256 -- 0-255. Of that, three numbers can't be used: 0 (the network address), 255 (the broadcast address), and the gateway's address, which is usually either 1 or 254, depending on administrator preference (although I've seen a random number in the middle used). 0 and 255 are still totally usable, just not in a /24; you'd have to go to /23 or bigger for them to be available (and I've heard some OSes don't like using them; I don't know, though). Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu May 13 08:40:32 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start Message-ID: >>> smac@visi.com 05/13/04 09:13AM >>> >I do believe (I could be wrong) that address space is less than 255 >addresses per class C subnet. >0 to 254 would be 255 addresses for a class C network. >So 0 to 254, less 0 (as a reserved address) is 254 addresses. >Some one tell me if I'm mistaken please. >Sam. The number of allowed addresses for a given subnet mask is 2^n - 2 (that's two to the nth power minus two). Where n is the number of bits in the HOST portion of the mask. So, if the mask is 255.255.255.0, then n would be 8. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu May 13 09:12:15 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + Postfix + spam scanning + virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200405130912.15343.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 12 May 2004 8:02 pm, Chuck Hays wrote: > Does anyone know of a good reference (that you may have used) that > documents using debian/postfix/spam and virus scanning? > > I know there are dozens out there, but if someone here has used one it > would make me feel more confident. > This is for OpenBSD as the OS, but all the applications pretty much work the same. Fairly-Secure Anti-SPAM Gateway Using OpenBSD, Postfix, Amavisd-new, SpamAssassin, Razor and DCC: http://www.flakshack.com/anti-spam/ Adding Clam Anti-Virus to the above: http://www.xmission.com/~kn/AddClamAV/ Bret. > TIA, > > -Chuck Hays > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu May 13 09:40:46 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon In-Reply-To: <20040513004846.GA29517@dad1> References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040513004846.GA29517@dad1> Message-ID: <16547.35054.764672.379077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Thanks to Michael, Chad, David and Karl for the pointers. I will follow up on them today. This was a case where help from the list was critical --- it's very hard to find this kind of information using a search engine because all of the keywords I could think of were common and ambiguous... Cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 13 09:55:27 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script for a daemon In-Reply-To: <16547.35054.764672.379077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16546.36382.366059.279337@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040513004846.GA29517@dad1> <16547.35054.764672.379077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040513145527.GG13520@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Thu May 13 07:43:49 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: <1084451351.14577.0.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <067201c4353b$9d38e270$0201a8c0@office> <409E5F48.4040806@visi.com> <004e01c435f6$a90105e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040513011050.GB29517@dad1> <1084451351.14577.0.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040513124349.GA27748@dad1> On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 07:29:11AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 20:10, Karl Bongers wrote: > > > > Anyone know why the first(x.x.x.0) IP address is reserved? > > What is it used for? > > Seems like a waste of a perfectly good address to me. > I found a good explanation of subnets as > http://www.ezine.com/EZInternet.SubNet.html > > This shuld answer your questions. Thanks Jon, it was a good read, didn't know about the CIDR versus Classic thing. But, it still leaves it unaswered: quote: The address with a host portion that is all zeroes is the same as the network address and cannot be used as an actual host address because this causes confusion with certain network commands and messages. Oh, confusion, thats it :) With "certain" network commands. What network commands exactly? My guess is that it is a convenience×Øused when implementing routing tables/software. Unless it is used "on the wire" for something useful, I still feel it is a waste of an address. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bret at mordant.com Thu May 13 00:23:21 2004 From: bret at mordant.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian + Postfix + spam scanning + virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1084410125.17543.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200405130023.21183.bret@mordant.com> On Wednesday 12 May 2004 08:02 pm, Chuck Hays wrote: > Does anyone know of a good reference (that you may have used) that > documents using debian/postfix/spam and virus scanning? > > I know there are dozens out there, but if someone here has used one it > would make me feel more confident. This is for OpenBSD as the OS, but all the applications pretty much work the same. Fairly-Secure Anti-SPAM Gateway Using OpenBSD, Postfix, Amavisd-new, SpamAssassin, Razor and DCC: http://www.flakshack.com/anti-spam/ Adding Clam Anti-Virus to the above: http://www.xmission.com/~kn/AddClamAV/ Bret. > > TIA, > > -Chuck Hays > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ######----Mordant-----###### # Make it hurt for someone # ######----------------###### http://www.mordant.com https://www.mordantmail.com http://www.mordantforum.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu May 13 15:23:28 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas Message-ID: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> I would like to set up disk quotas on a fedora box for /home, but I only have / and /boot under labels. Is there a way to apply quotas strictly to /home with this set up? Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 13 18:02:15 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas In-Reply-To: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040513230215.GH13520@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu May 13 18:33:18 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas In-Reply-To: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> References: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <1084491198.15866.7.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 15:23, Raymond Norton wrote: > I would like to set up disk quotas on a fedora box for /home, but I only > have / and /boot under labels. Is there a way to apply quotas strictly to > /home with this set up? If you could muster up a partition strictly for /home it would make things easier. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu May 13 19:03:58 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas References: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> <1084491198.15866.7.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <013601c43946$f4d7bdd0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> > > If you could muster up a partition strictly for /home it would make > things easier. > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html Sure would. Is it as simple as adding another drive, mounting it at /home, and moving everything from the old /home to the new one? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu May 13 19:33:00 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] discussion: nmbd failure to start In-Reply-To: (message from Jima on Thu, 13 May 2004 08:35:53 -0500 (CDT)) References: Message-ID: <200405140033.i4E0X0C14686@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Jima wrote: > Not quite. The magic number is 256 -- 0-255. Of that, three numbers >can't be used: 0 (the network address), 255 (the broadcast address), and >the gateway's address, which is usually either 1 or 254, depending on >administrator preference (although I've seen a random number in the middle >used). 0 and 255 are still totally usable, just not in a /24; you'd have >to go to /23 or bigger for them to be available (and I've heard some OSes >don't like using them; I don't know, though). A gateway address is only required, if a gateway to another subnet or network is desired. Even if a gateway is desired the gateway can clearly do more that route IP traffic, so I wouldn't say that its address is not useable for other purposes. However, Jima makes an important point that a gateway address has to be allocated from every subnet (or it will be an isolated subnet). Note that the gateway will consume an IP address from every subnet it is on, so sometimes there will be more than one IP consumed per subnet for gateway machines. Try a broadcast ping of your network address and broadcast address: # ping -b # ping -b Notice the difference? Some devices will respond to a broadcast of the network address; others will not. It is a reserved address and use of it will cause unpredictable results! Don't use it, if you want predictability of operation. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu May 13 21:35:27 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas In-Reply-To: <013601c43946$f4d7bdd0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2> <1084491198.15866.7.camel@lotsa> <013601c43946$f4d7bdd0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <1084502127.15866.88.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 19:03, Raymond Norton wrote: > > If you could muster up a partition strictly for /home it would make > > things easier. > Sure would. Is it as simple as adding another drive, mounting it at /home, > and moving everything from the old /home to the new one? Yes it is. There are a couple of basic things you need to understand but it is that simple. I'm not sure where you are at but you need to know how to install the drive in your box, how the drive devices are named, how to format the drive, and how to make your drive mount where you want it with /etc/fstab. Understand that you usually have 2 IDE channels to install a drive to, Primary and secondary. each channel can have two drives, a master and a slave. each drive and each partition on the drive has a device files associated with it in linux. /dev/hda = Primary Master IDE drive /dev/hdb = Primary Slave IDE drive /dev/hdc = Secondary Master IDE drive /dev/hdd = Secondary Slave IDE drive likewise each partition has its own device name. /dev/hdc0 = 1st partition on the Secondary Master IDE drive /dev/hdc2 = 3rd partition on the Secondary Master IDE drive I use fdisk to format drives, as an example if you have the drive installed Secondary Master IDE drive # fdisk /dev/hdc add a partition then format it. let me know if you need help with fdisk. then mount the drive to a temporary location and copy /home to it. # mount /dev/hdc0 /mnt # cp -av /home/* /mnt/ # umount /mnt then tell /etc/fstab where you want the drive to mount at boot time by adding this line. (man fstab or write me for more help) (Assuming you formated it as ext3) /dev/hdc0 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 # reboot once you are sure everything is working you can recover some space on your / partition by removing the old files on / partition ... # umount /home # df ## to make sure /home partition is unmounted so you can remove the /home that is on / Before you run the next command you might want to comment out this line in /root/.bashrc alias rm='rm -i' # rm -r /home/* *DISCLAIMER* :-) Make sure you understand clearly exactly what you are doing each step of the way. It is very easy to trash a system with fdisk and "rm -r *" commands. good luck, - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu May 13 22:31:57 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windoze and BIND Message-ID: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I have a pile of Windoze machines (>500) that I admin. They all live under a FQDN and I want to get them all into DNS. Problem is, I don't want to manually enter each hostname/address pair. Is there a way I can configure BIND so that each machine will auto-register itself? By default, Windoze 2K/XP attempts to register itself in the DNS servers you specify. I'd like to use this functionality on BIND. If anyone knows how to accomplish this, I'd appreciate any help. Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu May 13 23:11:44 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> Brian wrote: >I have a pile of Windoze machines (>500) that I admin. They all live >under a FQDN and I want to get them all into DNS. Problem is, I don't >want to manually enter each hostname/address pair. Is there a way I can >configure BIND so that each machine will auto-register itself? By >default, Windoze 2K/XP attempts to register itself in the DNS servers you >specify. I'd like to use this functionality on BIND. If anyone knows how >to accomplish this, I'd appreciate any help. > > > dhcpd could do that for you, it`ll add forward and reverse records into the the zones taht you specify. with bind it is called dynamic update. check man page for dhcpd.conf it has some examples, just follow them. >Thanks! >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri May 14 05:42:48 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disk quotas References: <01ee01c43928$27528110$4bae6742@DELL2><1084491198.15866.7.camel@lotsa> <013601c43946$f4d7bdd0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <1084502127.15866.88.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <015a01c439a0$33051c20$0a00a8c0@DELL2> > > > > If you could muster up a partition strictly for /home it would make > > > things easier. > > > Sure would. Is it as simple as adding another drive, mounting it at /home, > > and moving everything from the old /home to the new one? > > Yes it is. There are a couple of basic things you need to understand but > it is that simple. I'm not sure where you are at but you need to know > how to install the drive in your box, how the drive devices are named, > how to format the drive, and how to make your drive mount where you want > it with /etc/fstab. Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri May 14 07:41:21 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: Anton Yurchenko writes: > dhcpd could do that for you, it`ll add forward and reverse records into > the the zones taht you specify. with bind it is called dynamic update. > check man page for dhcpd.conf it has some examples, just follow them. But he would still need to enter 500 entries. The DNS and BIND book by oreily has a section on dynamic DNS updates. I have not bothered with it because i do not admin any windows boxen. But it is probably what you want. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri May 14 07:54:59 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <40A4C1A3.6020205@cascopoint.com> nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Anton Yurchenko writes: > >> dhcpd could do that for you, it`ll add forward and reverse records >> into the the zones taht you specify. with bind it is called dynamic >> update. check man page for dhcpd.conf it has some examples, just >> follow them. > > > But he would still need to enter 500 entries. > The DNS and BIND book by oreily has a section on dynamic DNS updates. > I have not bothered with it because i do not admin any windows boxen. > But it is probably what you want. > no he`d just need to enter the zone to enter those hosts into. the name is supplied by windows it is its hostname, though making the windows hostnames confirm to some policy it a whole diffrent matter :) > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri May 14 09:08:29 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: <40A4C1A3.6020205@cascopoint.com> References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> <40A4C1A3.6020205@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <3366.156.98.100.45.1084543709.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > no he`d just need to enter the zone to enter those hosts into. the name > is supplied by windows it is its hostname, though making the windows > hostnames confirm to some policy it a whole diffrent matter :) All of the Windows host names are set manually when we deploy them. I will be using DHCP to deploy my new DNS settings, so if I force a particular segment to be in a domin of segment1.lxy.mydomain.com, and the Windows box has a name of Bob, will it automagically enter Bob.segment1.lxy.mydomain.com into the DNS server? Thanks Munir, Page 231 of the O'Reilly Grasshopper book briefly explains auto-update and auto-update-forward, at least enough that I now know what I'm looking for. I'm scratching the surface of a major DNS implementation, so I may need more assistance down the line. Thanks a lot! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri May 14 09:56:57 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: <1084545044.2135.13.camel@localhost> References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> <40A4C1A3.6020205@cascopoint.com> <3366.156.98.100.45.1084543709.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1084545044.2135.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3664.156.98.100.45.1084546617.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Brian, > If you get stuck let me know, we use dynamic updates for approx. 3000 > machines, with the vast majority of those being windows laptops and > such. Cool, mind if I start bugging you off list a lot? :-) I'm just curious if what I'm trying to do will work. From what I've read, a box will try to register itself as hostname.in-arpa.moreuselesscrap.arpa or something like that. I want to make sure the box is registering with hostname.subdomain.myFQDN.com. As long as I set the hostname on the box, and set my doamin in the DHCP server, will it automagically register itself that way? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri May 14 10:20:43 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: <3664.156.98.100.45.1084546617.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <32990.68.112.123.230.1084505517.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <40A44700.9070907@cascopoint.com> <40A4C1A3.6020205@cascopoint.com> <3366.156.98.100.45.1084543709.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1084545044.2135.13.camel@localhost> <3664.156.98.100.45.1084546617.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 2004, Brian wrote: > Cool, mind if I start bugging you off list a lot? :-) > > I'm just curious if what I'm trying to do will work. From what I've > read, a box will try to register itself as > hostname.in-arpa.moreuselesscrap.arpa or something like that. I want to > make sure the box is registering with hostname.subdomain.myFQDN.com. > As long as I set the hostname on the box, and set my doamin in the DHCP > server, will it automagically register itself that way? I'd recommend having the DHCP server do the DNS updates for you; then you can tell it to do whatever policies you want. :) ddns-update-style-interim; ignore client-updates; see the dhcpd.conf for how to configure the keys and such; with the above two lines, it'll take the hostname your client presents and add it to the domain you've specified. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri May 14 11:08:22 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Non Linux question, but..... For 500+ Windows boxes...aren't you using active directory? If you do use AD and do DHCP and DNS off the Windows server, your DNS entries will update automatically. Then with bind you have a number of options. Add a forwarder to the windows DNS server, add the windows DNS as a master or slave zone, etc. You can also setup the winders DHCP server to automatically update a bind server, but I never got that to work myself. AD does work with BIND and DHCP, and there are documents out there on how to do it. Apperently some large customers didn't like the idea of turning DNS and DHCP over to M$ when Windows 2000 was being tested, so the support to do it is there...it's just not as point and click as using Windows... Good luck with whatever path you choose. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri May 14 13:19:42 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: windoze and BIND In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4106.156.98.100.45.1084558782.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > For 500+ Windows boxes...aren't you using active directory? We're on an NT4 domain. According to everything I've read, we need to have DNS in place BEFORE we migrate. We're currently using WINS and it's easier to migrate to DNS first then to AD. WINS sucks, which is why we're going this route. > If you do use AD and do DHCP and DNS off the Windows server, your DNS > entries will update automatically. I agree. If we were building a Windows network from scratch, that is the best way to do it. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun May 16 12:07:16 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405161707.i4GH7G820425@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: old computers for free helo- i have two p133 computers, both AT style, one with 48mb memory and one with 32mb memory. No hdds. i will GIVE them to you for FREE! 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun May 16 23:29:35 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question Message-ID: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Mon May 17 06:01:47 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question In-Reply-To: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <40A89B9B.2090803@esox.us> Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a debian system setup and I'd like to know what's the apt > command that will tell me which package a file belongs to. I'm used to > rpm, where I can just type 'rpm -qf ', and that'll tell me what > package the file belongs to. Does apt have this capability? > I haven't used Debian in a long time but have you tried "man apt-get" or "apt-get --help" or similar? hope that helps. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Mon May 17 07:09:52 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question In-Reply-To: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <40A8AB90.6050502@info9.net> Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a debian system setup and I'd like to know what's the apt > command that will tell me which package a file belongs to. Here's an example... use dkpg to find out the package name.... then you can use dpkg and/or apt-cache to learn more about the package (including a full list of files in the package, etc.). HTH, --Tom tmarble@techno 13% dpkg --search /usr/share/doc/wxwin2.4-examples/examples/wxPython/demo.py wxwin2.4-examples: /usr/share/doc/wxwin2.4-examples/examples/wxPython/demo.py tmarble@techno 14% dpkg --status wxwin2.4-examples Package: wxwin2.4-examples Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: devel Installed-Size: 6236 Maintainer: Ron Lee Source: wxwindows2.4 Version: 2.4.2.4 Suggests: libwxgtk2.4-dev (= 2.4.2.4), wxwin2.4-doc Description: wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (examples) wxWindows is a class library for C++ providing GUI (Graphical User Interface) and other facilities on more than one platform. Version 2.4 currently supports subsets of GTK+, Motif, and MS Windows. . This package contains examples of using the wxWindows toolkit in C++ and with the wxPython language binding. tmarble@techno 15% apt-cache showpkg wxwin2.4-examples Package: wxwin2.4-examples Versions: 2.4.2.4(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) Reverse Depends: libwxgtk2.4-python,wxwin2.4-examples kdevelop3,wxwin2.4-examples Dependencies: 2.4.2.4 - libwxgtk2.4-dev (5 2.4.2.4) wxwin2.4-doc (0 (null)) Provides: 2.4.2.4 - Reverse Provides: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From curtis at tcq.net Mon May 17 07:22:27 2004 From: curtis at tcq.net (Curtis Merchant) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question In-Reply-To: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <200405170722.28886.curtis@tcq.net> I came across a rpm vs. dpkg comparison on the web that might help: Identify the package that owns a file rpm -qf full-path-to file rpm -qf name-of-file-in-local-dir dpkg --search any-portion-of-file's-path http://www.trestle.com/linux/rpmdeb.html On Sunday 16 May 2004 11:29 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a debian system setup and I'd like to know what's the > apt command that will tell me which package a file belongs to. > I'm used to rpm, where I can just type 'rpm -qf ', and > that'll tell me what package the file belongs to. Does apt > have this capability? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon May 17 07:41:20 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question In-Reply-To: <40A8AB90.6050502@info9.net> References: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <40A8AB90.6050502@info9.net> Message-ID: <1084797680.25590.63.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon May 17 09:32:52 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian question In-Reply-To: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, May 16, 2004 at 11:29:35PM -0500 References: <1084768174.25587.48.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20040517093252.A8177@thinkunix.net> Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a debian system setup and I'd like to know what's the apt > command that will tell me which package a file belongs to. I'm used to > rpm, where I can just type 'rpm -qf ', and that'll tell me what > package the file belongs to. Does apt have this capability? dpkg -S /path/to/file -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon May 17 09:36:32 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copy-paste from/to terminal = undesired formatting Message-ID: anyone ever deal with this problem?: copy some text from one terminal (I use Aterm) and then go to paste it into a vim session on another terminal and the (spacing) formating goes bonkers - here's an example (it appears that leading spaces turn into tabs or something..): copied text: ========================================================= sub parseLogfile { my ($filein, $fileout) = @_; my @results; debug("in file is $filein, outfile is $fileout"); open(IFILE,"<$filein") || printDieAndWait( __LINE__,"Can't open $filein for reading: $!"); while () { chomp ($_); debug("line is $_"); if ($_ =~ /Program: sslslsupld: Started For Store/) { debug("Match for sslslsupld start"); my $pos = tell IFILE; my @startline = split(/ /); my $outline="$startline[5]||$startline[@startline-1]||$startline[1] $startli ne[2] $startline[3]"; ========================================================= when pasted: ========================================================= sub parseLogfile { my ($filein, $fileout) = @_; my @results; debug("in file is $filein, outfile is $fileout"); open(IFILE,"<$filein") || printDieAndWait( __LINE__,"Can't open $filein for reading: $!"); while () { chomp ($_); debug("line is $_"); if ($_ =~ /Program: sslslsupld: Started For Store/) { debug("Match for sslslsupld start"); my $pos = tell IFILE; my @startline = split(/ /); my $outline="$startline[5]||$startline[@startline-1]||$startline[1] $startli ne[2] $startline[3]"; ========================================================= _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon May 17 09:45:56 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] copy-paste from/to terminal = undesired formatting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040517144556.GA29258@therub.org> It's the autoformatting. Do a :set paste in vim before pasting :) dan On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:36:32AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > anyone ever deal with this problem?: > > copy some text from one terminal (I use Aterm) and then go to paste it > into a vim session on another terminal and the (spacing) formating goes > bonkers - here's an example (it appears that leading spaces turn into tabs > or something..): > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Mon May 17 13:02:15 2004 From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeetings canceled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543EE8D0-A82C-11D8-8981-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> That's too bad. I just signed up for the list today, and thought that the beer meetings were a great idea. Mike On May 16, 2004, at 1:33 AM, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > due to the lack of interest, there will no longer be tclug > beermeetings. > I had a great time at the beermeetings and it was a lot of fun meeting > people in real life and being able to associate faces with names. > Unfortunately it seems that people are no longer interested in these > meetings and/or do not have the time for them anymore and as such and > until more interest is shown i will no longer schedule beermeetings. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon May 17 13:47:24 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeetings canceled In-Reply-To: <543EE8D0-A82C-11D8-8981-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> References: <543EE8D0-A82C-11D8-8981-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1948.156.98.100.45.1084819644.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > That's too bad. I just signed up for the list today, and thought that > the beer meetings were a great idea. After the announcement, I posted a new poll about beermeetings. If there is enough support, maybe someone will feel up to the challenge of playing admin for awhile. http://www.mn-linux.org -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Mon May 17 14:23:18 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems Message-ID: <007301c43c44$8daacc00$0201a8c0@clavdivs.org> I have a Debian untested version of Linux on several of my boxen. It works swell on all but one of them. On that one, I can get out to the LAN and the Internet, but I can't get into the box from elsewhere on the LAN. I can't even ping it. I have the exact same version (it's a 2.4.x kernel) running on the same hardware, and I can get into that one just fine. But this machine I can't. However, when I'm on the machine itself, I can get out just fine. What all do you want to give me a clue towards debugging this? Mike Bird _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon May 17 14:44:27 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems In-Reply-To: <007301c43c44$8daacc00$0201a8c0@clavdivs.org> References: <007301c43c44$8daacc00$0201a8c0@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: <24734.12.47.38.130.1084823067.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Look at the access control lists. I'm guessing your version of Debian uses iptables since that's a 2.4 kernel support. Do an: iptables --list See if you have restrictive configurations blocking incoming traffic. Garrett > I have a Debian untested version of Linux on several of my boxen. It works > swell on all but one of them. On that one, I can get out to the LAN and > the > Internet, but I can't get into the box from elsewhere on the LAN. I can't > even ping it. I have the exact same version (it's a 2.4.x kernel) running > on > the same hardware, and I can get into that one just fine. But this machine > I > can't. However, when I'm on the machine itself, I can get out just fine. > What all do you want to give me a clue towards debugging this? > > Mike Bird > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon May 17 14:50:30 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeetings canceled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084823429.552.21.camel@unixws1> Munir and all, I've enjoyed the few beermeetings I've been able to attend. I would love to attend more, but time...yada yada...but I have some suggestions for everyone: Maybe bi-weekly is too frequent, and we should go to a monthly format? Rotating days? Maybe instead of having a small group of tyrants^Wwonderful list members () coordinate these every time, we should have people volunteer to coordinate and host them at their favorite place? Then you guys aren't traveling to god-knows-where every other week, with the chance that there won't be any turn-out. And people can stop whining about the locations and times. Maybe join forces with TCBUG (or TCSA, or another group of similar interests) in hopes of getting more people to attend? That is, assuming that the Debian guys don't start nuthin' :) Just some thoughts - despite rarely being able to attend, I hate to see this long-standing institution of TCLUG simply go away. Geeks don't socialize enough as it is. On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 01:33, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > due to the lack of interest, there will no longer be tclug beermeetings. > > I had a great time at the beermeetings and it was a lot of fun meeting > people in real life and being able to associate faces with names. > Unfortunately it seems that people are no longer interested in these > meetings and/or do not have the time for them anymore and as such and until > more interest is shown i will no longer schedule beermeetings. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Mon May 17 16:44:48 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? Message-ID: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Hello, Can anyone recommend a simple tv tuner card to be used in linux to tune basic cable and watch it on a monitor? Something sold at general nanosystems would be great too =) Thanks, -Chuck Hays _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Mon May 17 17:00:48 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <40A93610.7050109@visi.com> I've used the ATI Wonder Value-Edition without any major problems. I think it was $39 at Best Buy. If I was going to do it again I'd probably go with the stereo version for the extra $50 or so. --rick Chuck Hays wrote: >Hello, > >Can anyone recommend a simple tv tuner card to be used in linux to tune >basic cable and watch it on a monitor? > >Something sold at general nanosystems would be great too =) > >Thanks, > >-Chuck Hays > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon May 17 17:06:36 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've never been to a beermeeting. Lots of reasons. However, if people really want a successful regular meeting, I humbly suggest a fixed time and place. Perhaps a monthly meeting at a known spot that is plainly posted on the web site, then a less formal one two weeks between the other where the time and place moves around. That way people know where and when to be, can plan ahead for it, know where to show up, don't have to even look for information or if it's going on, and no one "in charge" even has to show up, let alone organize it. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon May 17 17:16:00 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <40A93610.7050109@visi.com> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <40A93610.7050109@visi.com> Message-ID: <40A939A0.1050904@lorenburlingame.com> Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I've used the ATI Wonder Value-Edition without any major problems. I > think it was $39 at Best Buy. If I was going to do it again I'd > probably go with the stereo version for the extra $50 or so. > I use this card as well. It is very well supported and the picture looks great with tvtime (tvtime.sourceforge.net). LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Mon May 17 17:18:12 2004 From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <15B7FFA8-A850-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> I have an ATI-TV Wonder that works well. I think the difference between the VE and the full TV-Wonder is that the VE doesn't broadcast in stereo. That was the difference 2 years ago anyway. I have found the best tuner is kdetv. http://www.kwintv.org Mike On May 17, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Chuck Hays wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone recommend a simple tv tuner card to be used in linux to tune > basic cable and watch it on a monitor? > > Something sold at general nanosystems would be great too =) > > Thanks, > > -Chuck Hays > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon May 17 19:12:42 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeetings References: Message-ID: Chris Schumann writes: > However, if people really want a successful regular meeting, I humbly > suggest a fixed time and place. Perhaps a monthly meeting at a known spot > that is plainly posted on the web site, then a less formal one two weeks > between the other where the time and place moves around. that has been proposed in the past, the problem with this is that some people can only to to places in the minneapolis area, others like StPaul. so we tried to alternate them. still an interesting idea. something to be kept in mind. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon May 17 20:10:08 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeetings In-Reply-To: ; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Mon, May 17, 2004 at 05:06:36PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040517201008.A1363@thinkunix.net> Chris Schumann wrote: > However, if people really want a successful regular meeting, I humbly > suggest a fixed time and place. Perhaps a monthly meeting at a known spot > that is plainly posted on the web site, then a less formal one two weeks > between the other where the time and place moves around. > > That way people know where and when to be, can plan ahead for it, know > where to show up, don't have to even look for information or if it's going > on, and no one "in charge" even has to show up, let alone organize it. I understand your point, but I must say I actually liked how the beer meetings moved around. It was nice to visit the different drinking establishments and put some variety into life. I think it was only fair to move around so folks from different areas could attend a beer meeting in their neighborhood at least some of the time. Moving the location eliminated transportation issues for some and, allowed others to make it to a meeting otherwise impossible. Say you worked in Woodbury and the beer meeting was in Minnetonka; it's highly unlikely you'd be able to make it across town in time to attend. I always thought it was kind of "the beer meeting is going to be at on . If you can make it great, if not see you at another one." The reason I haven't been to many in recent times is mainly financial. No job == no money == no beer :( When I get working again, I would plan to attend when I could. I enjoyed the beer meetings. It was nice to unplug for a while and socialize with others. I miss them. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon May 17 21:47:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution on Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <40A9794A.4020503@visi.com> I had installed Ximian Evolution on my Fedora Core 1 machine a few weeks ago. Due to a hard disk failure I need to install Fedora Core 1 again. The problem is the Evolution installer no longer recognizes my OS version when it detects the Distribution. I didn't install any of the Gnome peaces that would get installed even if Gnome isn't selected. Could this have caused the problem? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon May 17 21:18:11 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Old CPU Location: Stillwater MN. An Athlon 900Mhz 200FSB with memory(512MB) and broken(Asus) MB. cheako911yahoocom; poptix was here =) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon May 17 21:38:49 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:18:11PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > Location: Stillwater MN. > An Athlon 900Mhz 200FSB with memory(512MB) and broken(Asus) MB. > cheako911yahoocom; poptix was here =) Any explanation for all the "poptix was here" graffiti that's been getting posted lately? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon May 17 23:00:40 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <15B7FFA8-A850-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <15B7FFA8-A850-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200405172300.40820.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 17 May 2004 05:18 pm, Mike Tuller wrote: > I have an ATI-TV Wonder that works well. I think the difference between > the VE and the full TV-Wonder is that the VE doesn't broadcast in > stereo. That was the difference 2 years ago anyway. > > I have found the best tuner is kdetv. http://www.kwintv.org > > > Mike > I second the comment on kdetv. I use with a AVerMedia AverTV Desktop TV PVR card. It was recognized by SuSE as soon as I put it in and I've never had a problem with it. It was about $30 at MicroCenter last summer. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon May 17 23:15:57 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems In-Reply-To: <007301c43c44$8daacc00$0201a8c0@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: Do a route -n and check the routing table. My guess is you're missing the route for the internal network. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael J. Bird Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems I have a Debian untested version of Linux on several of my boxen. It works swell on all but one of them. On that one, I can get out to the LAN and the Internet, but I can't get into the box from elsewhere on the LAN. I can't even ping it. I have the exact same version (it's a 2.4.x kernel) running on the same hardware, and I can get into that one just fine. But this machine I can't. However, when I'm on the machine itself, I can get out just fine. What all do you want to give me a clue towards debugging this? Mike Bird _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue May 18 01:26:10 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com>; from trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com on Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:38:49PM -0500 References: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040518012610.A29508@thinkunix.net> John J. Trammell wrote: > Any explanation for all the "poptix was here" graffiti that's > been getting posted lately? There was a complaint a while ago that the ad's didn't included the sellers email address. I believe Matthew (aka, poptix) edited the program to display email addresses (and his comment that he was there). -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 18 04:31:33 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040518093133.GG24532@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:44:48PM -0500, Chuck Hays wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone recommend a simple tv tuner card to be used in linux to tune > basic cable and watch it on a monitor? > > Something sold at general nanosystems would be great too =) *BIG FAT WARNING* don't get the ATI VE cards that require the GATOS drivers. You want something based on the bt8x8 chips (bt848, bt878) such as the hauppauge WinTV cards This one is compatible: http://www.nanosys1.com/tv-hp-wintv190.html I recommend using tvtime, as it's very cpu efficient and gives you the best picture (with the deinterlacing filters, and XDS information decoding such as the name of the current TV program, when it started, when it ends, TV ratings, etc), it's also *fast* -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 18 04:35:05 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040518093505.GH24532@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:38:49PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:18:11PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > Location: Stillwater MN. > > An Athlon 900Mhz 200FSB with memory(512MB) and broken(Asus) MB. > > cheako911yahoocom; poptix was here =) > > Any explanation for all the "poptix was here" graffiti that's > been getting posted lately? That was my fix to the classifieds script, unfortunately I haven't been able to get back on the host that's authorized to connect to the system at real-time to remove the 'graffiti' =) I'll get around to it, kinda spawned from a comment on the IRC channel =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue May 18 07:18:07 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Message-ID: Hi- I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... thanks johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Tue May 18 09:16:28 2004 From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try using top to see what might be using the cpu. Top will give you a live view of what is going on. Mike On May 18, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes > goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a > little chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk > activity. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making > the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too > suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using > chkconfig.... > thanks > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Tue May 18 10:18:26 2004 From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution on Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <40A9794A.4020503@visi.com> References: <40A9794A.4020503@visi.com> Message-ID: <9C41F8A8-A8DE-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> Not having Gnome installed shouldn't make it so that the installer doesn't recognize the OS version. Evolution should be installed by default when you install Fedora. Are you trying to install Evolution from Ximian's site? If so, I don't think Ximian supports Fedora. That would explain the error. Check to make sure that you don't already have Evolution installed on your system. You can do this by running rpm -q evolution in your terminal. It should return something like evolution-1.4.5-7. If it does not, install the rpm from the installer CDs. Mike On May 17, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I had installed Ximian Evolution on my Fedora Core 1 machine a few > weeks ago. Due to a hard disk failure I need to install Fedora Core 1 > again. The problem is the Evolution installer no longer recognizes my > OS version when it detects the Distribution. > > I didn't install any of the Gnome peaces that would get installed even > if Gnome isn't selected. Could this have caused the problem? > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Tue May 18 10:26:08 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <20040518093133.GG24532@momentum.poptix.net> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040518093133.GG24532@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <40AA2B10.2060302@lorenburlingame.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >*BIG FAT WARNING* don't get the ATI VE cards that require the GATOS drivers. > >You want something based on the bt8x8 chips (bt848, bt878) such as the >hauppauge WinTV cards > > > I own and currently use the ATI TV Wonder VE and it uses the Brooktree Corporation Bt878 chipset. I am using the kernel bttv driver and v4l with no problems. Granted the card is a few years old so they may be making them with different chips these days... >I recommend using tvtime, as it's very cpu efficient and gives you the >best picture (with the deinterlacing filters, and XDS information decoding >such as the name of the current TV program, when it started, when it ends, >TV ratings, etc), it's also *fast* > > > I also recommend tvtime, it is not only the best looking tv application I have used but also the most functional and I have used them all, from kdetv to zapping. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue May 18 09:36:49 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040518093505.GH24532@momentum.poptix.net> References: <200405180218.i4I2IBC09554@crusader.real-time.com> <20040518023849.GA13404@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040518093505.GH24532@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040518143648.GA28678@fandre.com> I removed it. On Tue, 18 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:38:49PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 09:18:11PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > > Location: Stillwater MN. > > > An Athlon 900Mhz 200FSB with memory(512MB) and broken(Asus) MB. > > > cheako911yahoocom; poptix was here =) > > > > Any explanation for all the "poptix was here" graffiti that's > > been getting posted lately? > > That was my fix to the classifieds script, unfortunately I haven't been able > to get back on the host that's authorized to connect to the system at > real-time to remove the 'graffiti' =) > > I'll get around to it, kinda spawned from a comment on the IRC channel =) > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue May 18 11:06:46 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Tue, May 18, 2004 at 07:18:07AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes > solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little > chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making the > HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too suspect > - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... Are you using ext3 filesystem? I had the same problem on a Thinkpad. Didn't see any processes causing the disk activity. Turned out it was ext3 filesystem which syncs to disk about every 5 seconds. Short of editing source I didn't find this to be user tunable. Needless to say this kills your battery as the hard disk never gets to spin down. I went back to using ext2. I also run noflushd and stop all unnecessary services that might log to disk often (atd, cron, sendmail) when on battery. Battery lasts longer and disk is much quieter even on AC power. The down side is if I ever have a lockup I have to wait for fsck to run on the next boot. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 18 11:23:33 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TV tuner card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <40AA2B10.2060302@lorenburlingame.com> References: <1084830288.12687.11.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040518093133.GG24532@momentum.poptix.net> <40AA2B10.2060302@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20040518162333.GI24532@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 10:26:08AM -0500, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I own and currently use the ATI TV Wonder VE and it uses the Brooktree > Corporation Bt878 chipset. I am using the kernel bttv driver and v4l > with no problems. > > Granted the card is a few years old so they may be making them with > different chips these days... The ones with the bt8x8 chips are fine, the ones with the GATOS drivers are crap. As long as you make sure before you buy, or buy from somewhere that will let you return it, you're fine. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue May 18 11:22:44 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> References: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <40AA3854.2060707@structural-wood.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >>I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard >>drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes >>solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little >>chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. >> >>Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making the >>HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too suspect >>- I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... > > > Are you using ext3 filesystem? I had the same problem on a Thinkpad. > Didn't see any processes causing the disk activity. Turned out it was > ext3 filesystem which syncs to disk about every 5 seconds. Short of > editing source I didn't find this to be user tunable. Needless to > say this kills your battery as the hard disk never gets to spin down. I > went back to using ext2. I also run noflushd and stop all unnecessary > services that might log to disk often (atd, cron, sendmail) when on > battery. Battery lasts longer and disk is much quieter even on AC > power. The down side is if I ever have a lockup I have to wait for fsck > to run on the next boot. Since you are already on Fedora core, you might want to go all the way up to a 2.6 kernel and use laptop mode. http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/ I see there is a note on the above page about laptop mode in 2.4 kernels as well. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Tue May 18 11:22:12 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AA3834.4010202@cruiskeen.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes > solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little > chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making > the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too > suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... > thanks > johnnyf > You might find this quote from the release notes helpful: # The Fedora Core 1 kernel now includes support for laptop mode. When placed in laptop mode, the kernel batches disk I/O, allowing the disk drive to become idle long enough for the drive's power-saving features to take affect. This can result in significant increases in battery runtime. To enable laptop mode, issue the following command: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode To disable laptop mode, issue the following command: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode NOTE: The APM scripts included with Fedora Core 1 automatically enable laptop mode when switching to battery power. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue May 18 11:25:59 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> References: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:06:46 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard >> drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes >> solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little >> chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. >> >> Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making >> the >> HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too >> suspect >> - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... > > Are you using ext3 filesystem? I had the same problem on a Thinkpad. Doh! I bet that's it. Thanks - I'll try out ext2 next time I have to setup on a laptop. > Didn't see any processes causing the disk activity. Turned out it was > ext3 filesystem which syncs to disk about every 5 seconds. Short of > editing source I didn't find this to be user tunable. Needless to > say this kills your battery as the hard disk never gets to spin down. I > went back to using ext2. I also run noflushd and stop all unnecessary > services that might log to disk often (atd, cron, sendmail) when on > battery. Battery lasts longer and disk is much quieter even on AC > power. The down side is if I ever have a lockup I have to wait for fsck > to run on the next boot. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue May 18 11:55:18 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Tue, May 18, 2004 at 11:25:59AM -0500 References: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040518115518.A18884@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Are you using ext3 filesystem? I had the same problem on a Thinkpad. > > Doh! I bet that's it. > > Thanks - I'll try out ext2 next time I have to setup on a laptop. no need to re-install, just convert it back: # convert ext3 back to ext2 # if converting the root partition (/), boot off install media BEFORE # attempting the following umount /dev/hda4 tune2fs -O^has_journal /dev/hda4 e2fsck -f /dev/hda4 change fs type from "ext3" to "ext2" in /etc/fstab references: http://brentnorris.net/ext3-mini-howto.html http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Tue May 18 12:31:11 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello Admin from Dunwoody College Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492B9@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Hello my name is David , I am a current student at Dunwoody College. I am in great need of you help, Jack, Jeff Lehman and Jima reffered me here but my time is really short. I am going to try to post this same question on the mailing list if I get a chance. Ok , my senior project I was chosen to be the web-admin, I wanna have the best set up in regards that it involves mot just having pages show up but I want to implement php, sql, and all that other good stuff. To make this short, my effort has been toward hosting one site through SSL, for some reason it does not work. We have slackware 9 running Apache 1.3, so I read we needed to patch it and what not so I installed Apache 2. Supposedly this comes with mod_ssl install by default which this is not true, so I found out. I have ave generated my certificates under 1.3 and I want to use them with 2. I have compiled Apache --enable-all and I have complied it with just the --enable-ssl module. Ok, I run apachectl startssl and it runs fine but when I run a scan port :443 does not show up, I am really sorry and I hope you can find some time to help. I am attaching my config files. Hope to hear from you soon, and THANK YOU in advanced. -------------- next part -------------- # # Based upon the NCSA server configuration files originally by Rob McCool. # # This is the main Apache server configuration file. It contains the # configuration directives that give the server its instructions. # See for detailed information about # the directives. # # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure # consult the online docs. You have been warned. # # The configuration directives are grouped into three basic sections: # 1. Directives that control the operation of the Apache server process as a # whole (the 'global environment'). # 2. Directives that define the parameters of the 'main' or 'default' server, # which responds to requests that aren't handled by a virtual host. # These directives also provide default values for the settings # of all virtual hosts. # 3. Settings for virtual hosts, which allow Web requests to be sent to # different IP addresses or hostnames and have them handled by the # same Apache server process. # # Configuration and logfile names: If the filenames you specify for many # of the server's control files begin with "/" (or "drive:/" for Win32), the # server will use that explicit path. If the filenames do *not* begin # with "/", the value of ServerRoot is prepended -- so "logs/foo.log" # with ServerRoot set to "/usr/local/apache2" will be interpreted by the # server as "/usr/local/apache2/logs/foo.log". # ### Section 1: Global Environment # # The directives in this section affect the overall operation of Apache, # such as the number of concurrent requests it can handle or where it # can find its configuration files. # # # ServerRoot: The top of the directory tree under which the server's # configuration, error, and log files are kept. # # NOTE! If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network) # mounted filesystem then please read the LockFile documentation (available # at ); # you will save yourself a lot of trouble. # # Do NOT add a slash at the end of the directory path. # ServerRoot "/usr/local/apache2" # # The accept serialization lock file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. # #LockFile logs/accept.lock # # ScoreBoardFile: File used to store internal server process information. # If unspecified (the default), the scoreboard will be stored in an # anonymous shared memory segment, and will be unavailable to third-party # applications. # If specified, ensure that no two invocations of Apache share the same # scoreboard file. The scoreboard file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. # #ScoreBoardFile logs/apache_runtime_status # # PidFile: The file in which the server should record its process # identification number when it starts. # PidFile logs/httpd.pid # # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out. # Timeout 300 # # KeepAlive: Whether or not to allow persistent connections (more than # one request per connection). Set to "Off" to deactivate. # KeepAlive On # # MaxKeepAliveRequests: The maximum number of requests to allow # during a persistent connection. Set to 0 to allow an unlimited amount. # We recommend you leave this number high, for maximum performance. # MaxKeepAliveRequests 100 # # KeepAliveTimeout: Number of seconds to wait for the next request from the # same client on the same connection. # KeepAliveTimeout 15 ## ## Server-Pool Size Regulation (MPM specific) ## # prefork MPM # StartServers: number of server processes to start # MinSpareServers: minimum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxSpareServers: maximum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxClients: maximum number of server processes allowed to start # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 5 MinSpareServers 5 MaxSpareServers 10 MaxClients 150 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # worker MPM # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 2 MaxClients 150 MinSpareThreads 25 MaxSpareThreads 75 ThreadsPerChild 25 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # perchild MPM # NumServers: constant number of server processes # StartThreads: initial number of worker threads in each server process # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxThreadsPerChild: maximum number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of connections per server process NumServers 5 StartThreads 5 MinSpareThreads 5 MaxSpareThreads 10 MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # WinNT MPM # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in the server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves ThreadsPerChild 250 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # BeOS MPM # StartThreads: how many threads do we initially spawn? # MaxClients: max number of threads we can have (1 thread == 1 client) # MaxRequestsPerThread: maximum number of requests each thread will process StartThreads 10 MaxClients 50 MaxRequestsPerThread 10000 # NetWare MPM # ThreadStackSize: Stack size allocated for each worker thread # StartThreads: Number of worker threads launched at server startup # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads, to handle request spikes # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads # MaxThreads: Maximum number of worker threads alive at the same time # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of requests a thread serves. It is # recommended that the default value of 0 be set for this # directive on NetWare. This will allow the thread to # continue to service requests indefinitely. ThreadStackSize 65536 StartThreads 250 MinSpareThreads 25 MaxSpareThreads 250 MaxThreads 1000 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 MaxMemFree 100 # OS/2 MPM # StartServers: Number of server processes to maintain # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads per process, # to handle request spikes # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads per process # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of connections per server process StartServers 2 MinSpareThreads 5 MaxSpareThreads 10 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # # Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or # ports, instead of the default. See also the # directive. # # Change this to Listen on specific IP addresses as shown below to # prevent Apache from glomming onto all bound IP addresses (0.0.0.0) # #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 Listen *:80 # # Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support # # To be able to use the functionality of a module which was built as a DSO you # have to place corresponding `LoadModule' lines at this location so the # directives contained in it are actually available _before_ they are used. # Statically compiled modules (those listed by `httpd -l') do not need # to be loaded here. # # Example: # LoadModule foo_module modules/mod_foo.so # # # ExtendedStatus controls whether Apache will generate "full" status # information (ExtendedStatus On) or just basic information (ExtendedStatus # Off) when the "server-status" handler is called. The default is Off. # #ExtendedStatus On ### Section 2: 'Main' server configuration # # The directives in this section set up the values used by the 'main' # server, which responds to any requests that aren't handled by a # definition. These values also provide defaults for # any containers you may define later in the file. # # All of these directives may appear inside containers, # in which case these default settings will be overridden for the # virtual host being defined. # # # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run # httpd as root initially and it will switch. # # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. # . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup". # . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the # suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user. # NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET) # when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000; # don't use Group #-1 on these systems! # User nobody # # ServerAdmin: Your address, where problems with the server should be # e-mailed. This address appears on some server-generated pages, such # as error documents. e.g. admin@your-domain.com # ServerAdmin you@example.com # # ServerName gives the name and port that the server uses to identify itself. # This can often be determined automatically, but we recommend you specify # it explicitly to prevent problems during startup. # # If this is not set to valid DNS name for your host, server-generated # redirections will not work. See also the UseCanonicalName directive. # # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make # redirections work in a sensible way. # #ServerName www.example.com:80 ServerName localhost:80 # # UseCanonicalName: Determines how Apache constructs self-referencing # URLs and the SERVER_NAME and SERVER_PORT variables. # When set "Off", Apache will use the Hostname and Port supplied # by the client. When set "On", Apache will use the value of the # ServerName directive. # UseCanonicalName On # # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. # DocumentRoot "/usr/local/apache2/htdocs" # # Each directory to which Apache has access can be configured with respect # to which services and features are allowed and/or disabled in that # directory (and its subdirectories). # # First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of # features. # Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None # # Note that from this point forward you must specifically allow # particular features to be enabled - so if something's not working as # you might expect, make sure that you have specifically enabled it # below. # # # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. # # # Possible values for the Options directive are "None", "All", # or any combination of: # Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch ExecCGI MultiViews # # Note that "MultiViews" must be named *explicitly* --- "Options All" # doesn't give it to you. # # The Options directive is both complicated and important. Please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#options # for more information. # Options Indexes FollowSymLinks # # AllowOverride controls what directives may be placed in .htaccess files. # It can be "All", "None", or any combination of the keywords: # Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit # AllowOverride None # # Controls who can get stuff from this server. # Order allow,deny Allow from all # # UserDir: The name of the directory that is appended onto a user's home # directory if a ~user request is received. # UserDir public_html # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all # # DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory # is requested. # # The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content- # negotiated documents. The MultiViews Option can be used for the # same purpose, but it is much slower. # DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.html.var # # AccessFileName: The name of the file to look for in each directory # for additional configuration directives. See also the AllowOverride # directive. # AccessFileName .htaccess # # The following lines prevent .htaccess and .htpasswd files from being # viewed by Web clients. # Order allow,deny Deny from all # # TypesConfig describes where the mime.types file (or equivalent) is # to be found. # TypesConfig conf/mime.types # # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, "text/plain" is # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications # or images, you may want to use "application/octet-stream" instead to # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are # text. # DefaultType text/plain # # The mod_mime_magic module allows the server to use various hints from the # contents of the file itself to determine its type. The MIMEMagicFile # directive tells the module where the hint definitions are located. # MIMEMagicFile conf/magic # # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses # e.g., www.apache.org (on) or 204.62.129.132 (off). # The default is off because it'd be overall better for the net if people # had to knowingly turn this feature on, since enabling it means that # each client request will result in AT LEAST one lookup request to the # nameserver. # HostnameLookups Off # # EnableMMAP: Control whether memory-mapping is used to deliver # files (assuming that the underlying OS supports it). # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted # filesystems. On some systems, turning it off (regardless of # filesystem) can improve performance; for details, please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablemmap # #EnableMMAP off # # EnableSendfile: Control whether the sendfile kernel support is # used to deliver files (assuming that the OS supports it). # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted # filesystems. Please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablesendfile # #EnableSendfile off # # ErrorLog: The location of the error log file. # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be # logged here. If you *do* define an error logfile for a # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here. # ErrorLog logs/error_log # # LogLevel: Control the number of messages logged to the error_log. # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. # LogLevel warn # # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with # a CustomLog directive (see below). # LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent # You need to enable mod_logio.c to use %I and %O #LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\" %I %O" combinedio # # The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format). # If you do not define any access logfiles within a # container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do* # define per- access logfiles, transactions will be # logged therein and *not* in this file. # CustomLog logs/access_log common # # If you would like to have agent and referer logfiles, uncomment the # following directives. # #CustomLog logs/referer_log referer #CustomLog logs/agent_log agent # # If you prefer a single logfile with access, agent, and referer information # (Combined Logfile Format) you can use the following directive. # #CustomLog logs/access_log combined # # ServerTokens # This directive configures what you return as the Server HTTP response # Header. The default is 'Full' which sends information about the OS-Type # and compiled in modules. # Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod # where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. # ServerTokens Full # # Optionally add a line containing the server version and virtual host # name to server-generated pages (internal error documents, FTP directory # listings, mod_status and mod_info output etc., but not CGI generated # documents or custom error documents). # Set to "EMail" to also include a mailto: link to the ServerAdmin. # Set to one of: On | Off | EMail # ServerSignature On # # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The format is # Alias fakename realname # # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in this # example, only "/icons/". If the fakename is slash-terminated, then the # realname must also be slash terminated, and if the fakename omits the # trailing slash, the realname must also omit it. # # We include the /icons/ alias for FancyIndexed directory listings. If you # do not use FancyIndexing, you may comment this out. # Alias /icons/ "/usr/local/apache2/icons/" Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all # # This should be changed to the ServerRoot/manual/. The alias provides # the manual, even if you choose to move your DocumentRoot. You may comment # this out if you do not care for the documentation. # AliasMatch ^/manual(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$ "/usr/local/apache2/manual$1" Options Indexes AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all SetHandler type-map SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/de/ prefer-language=de SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/en/ prefer-language=en SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/fr/ prefer-language=fr SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ja/ prefer-language=ja SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ko/ prefer-language=ko SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ru/ prefer-language=ru RedirectMatch 301 ^/manual(?:/(de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru)){2,}(/.*)?$ /manual/$1$2 # # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client. # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to # Alias. # ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/" # # Additional to mod_cgid.c settings, mod_cgid has Scriptsock # for setting UNIX socket for communicating with cgid. # #Scriptsock logs/cgisock # # "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. # AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all # # Redirect allows you to tell clients about documents which used to exist in # your server's namespace, but do not anymore. This allows you to tell the # clients where to look for the relocated document. # Example: # Redirect permanent /foo http://www.example.com/bar # # Directives controlling the display of server-generated directory listings. # # # IndexOptions: Controls the appearance of server-generated directory # listings. # IndexOptions FancyIndexing VersionSort # # AddIcon* directives tell the server which icon to show for different # files or filename extensions. These are only displayed for # FancyIndexed directories. # AddIconByEncoding (CMP,/icons/compressed.gif) x-compress x-gzip AddIconByType (TXT,/icons/text.gif) text/* AddIconByType (IMG,/icons/image2.gif) image/* AddIconByType (SND,/icons/sound2.gif) audio/* AddIconByType (VID,/icons/movie.gif) video/* AddIcon /icons/binary.gif .bin .exe AddIcon /icons/binhex.gif .hqx AddIcon /icons/tar.gif .tar AddIcon /icons/world2.gif .wrl .wrl.gz .vrml .vrm .iv AddIcon /icons/compressed.gif .Z .z .tgz .gz .zip AddIcon /icons/a.gif .ps .ai .eps AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf AddIcon /icons/text.gif .txt AddIcon /icons/c.gif .c AddIcon /icons/p.gif .pl .py AddIcon /icons/f.gif .for AddIcon /icons/dvi.gif .dvi AddIcon /icons/uuencoded.gif .uu AddIcon /icons/script.gif .conf .sh .shar .csh .ksh .tcl AddIcon /icons/tex.gif .tex AddIcon /icons/bomb.gif core AddIcon /icons/back.gif .. AddIcon /icons/hand.right.gif README AddIcon /icons/folder.gif ^^DIRECTORY^^ AddIcon /icons/blank.gif ^^BLANKICON^^ # # DefaultIcon is which icon to show for files which do not have an icon # explicitly set. # DefaultIcon /icons/unknown.gif # # AddDescription allows you to place a short description after a file in # server-generated indexes. These are only displayed for FancyIndexed # directories. # Format: AddDescription "description" filename # #AddDescription "GZIP compressed document" .gz #AddDescription "tar archive" .tar #AddDescription "GZIP compressed tar archive" .tgz # # ReadmeName is the name of the README file the server will look for by # default, and append to directory listings. # # HeaderName is the name of a file which should be prepended to # directory indexes. ReadmeName README.html HeaderName HEADER.html # # IndexIgnore is a set of filenames which directory indexing should ignore # and not include in the listing. Shell-style wildcarding is permitted. # IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t # # DefaultLanguage and AddLanguage allows you to specify the language of # a document. You can then use content negotiation to give a browser a # file in a language the user can understand. # # Specify a default language. This means that all data # going out without a specific language tag (see below) will # be marked with this one. You probably do NOT want to set # this unless you are sure it is correct for all cases. # # * It is generally better to not mark a page as # * being a certain language than marking it with the wrong # * language! # # DefaultLanguage nl # # Note 1: The suffix does not have to be the same as the language # keyword --- those with documents in Polish (whose net-standard # language code is pl) may wish to use "AddLanguage pl .po" to # avoid the ambiguity with the common suffix for perl scripts. # # Note 2: The example entries below illustrate that in some cases # the two character 'Language' abbreviation is not identical to # the two character 'Country' code for its country, # E.g. 'Danmark/dk' versus 'Danish/da'. # # Note 3: In the case of 'ltz' we violate the RFC by using a three char # specifier. There is 'work in progress' to fix this and get # the reference data for rfc1766 cleaned up. # # Catalan (ca) - Croatian (hr) - Czech (cs) - Danish (da) - Dutch (nl) # English (en) - Esperanto (eo) - Estonian (et) - French (fr) - German (de) # Greek-Modern (el) - Hebrew (he) - Italian (it) - Japanese (ja) # Korean (ko) - Luxembourgeois* (ltz) - Norwegian Nynorsk (nn) # Norwegian (no) - Polish (pl) - Portugese (pt) # Brazilian Portuguese (pt-BR) - Russian (ru) - Swedish (sv) # Simplified Chinese (zh-CN) - Spanish (es) - Traditional Chinese (zh-TW) # AddLanguage ca .ca AddLanguage cs .cz .cs AddLanguage da .dk AddLanguage de .de AddLanguage el .el AddLanguage en .en AddLanguage eo .eo AddLanguage es .es AddLanguage et .et AddLanguage fr .fr AddLanguage he .he AddLanguage hr .hr AddLanguage it .it AddLanguage ja .ja AddLanguage ko .ko AddLanguage ltz .ltz AddLanguage nl .nl AddLanguage nn .nn AddLanguage no .no AddLanguage pl .po AddLanguage pt .pt AddLanguage pt-BR .pt-br AddLanguage ru .ru AddLanguage sv .sv AddLanguage zh-CN .zh-cn AddLanguage zh-TW .zh-tw # # LanguagePriority allows you to give precedence to some languages # in case of a tie during content negotiation. # # Just list the languages in decreasing order of preference. We have # more or less alphabetized them here. You probably want to change this. # LanguagePriority en ca cs da de el eo es et fr he hr it ja ko ltz nl nn no pl pt pt-BR ru sv zh-CN zh-TW # # ForceLanguagePriority allows you to serve a result page rather than # MULTIPLE CHOICES (Prefer) [in case of a tie] or NOT ACCEPTABLE (Fallback) # [in case no accepted languages matched the available variants] # ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback # # Specify a default charset for all pages sent out. This is # always a good idea and opens the door for future internationalisation # of your web site, should you ever want it. Specifying it as # a default does little harm; as the standard dictates that a page # is in iso-8859-1 (latin1) unless specified otherwise i.e. you # are merely stating the obvious. There are also some security # reasons in browsers, related to javascript and URL parsing # which encourage you to always set a default char set. # AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 # # Commonly used filename extensions to character sets. You probably # want to avoid clashes with the language extensions, unless you # are good at carefully testing your setup after each change. # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets for the # official list of charset names and their respective RFCs. # AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .iso8859-1 .latin1 AddCharset ISO-8859-2 .iso8859-2 .latin2 .cen AddCharset ISO-8859-3 .iso8859-3 .latin3 AddCharset ISO-8859-4 .iso8859-4 .latin4 AddCharset ISO-8859-5 .iso8859-5 .latin5 .cyr .iso-ru AddCharset ISO-8859-6 .iso8859-6 .latin6 .arb AddCharset ISO-8859-7 .iso8859-7 .latin7 .grk AddCharset ISO-8859-8 .iso8859-8 .latin8 .heb AddCharset ISO-8859-9 .iso8859-9 .latin9 .trk AddCharset ISO-2022-JP .iso2022-jp .jis AddCharset ISO-2022-KR .iso2022-kr .kis AddCharset ISO-2022-CN .iso2022-cn .cis AddCharset Big5 .Big5 .big5 # For russian, more than one charset is used (depends on client, mostly): AddCharset WINDOWS-1251 .cp-1251 .win-1251 AddCharset CP866 .cp866 AddCharset KOI8-r .koi8-r .koi8-ru AddCharset KOI8-ru .koi8-uk .ua AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-2 .ucs2 AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-4 .ucs4 AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 # The set below does not map to a specific (iso) standard # but works on a fairly wide range of browsers. Note that # capitalization actually matters (it should not, but it # does for some browsers). # # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets # for a list of sorts. But browsers support few. # AddCharset GB2312 .gb2312 .gb AddCharset utf-7 .utf7 AddCharset utf-8 .utf8 AddCharset big5 .big5 .b5 AddCharset EUC-TW .euc-tw AddCharset EUC-JP .euc-jp AddCharset EUC-KR .euc-kr AddCharset shift_jis .sjis # # AddType allows you to add to or override the MIME configuration # file mime.types for specific file types. # #AddType application/x-tar .tgz # # AddEncoding allows you to have certain browsers uncompress # information on the fly. Note: Not all browsers support this. # Despite the name similarity, the following Add* directives have nothing # to do with the FancyIndexing customization directives above. # #AddEncoding x-compress .Z #AddEncoding x-gzip .gz .tgz # # If the AddEncoding directives above are commented-out, then you # probably should define those extensions to indicate media types: # AddType application/x-compress .Z AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz # # AddHandler allows you to map certain file extensions to "handlers": # actions unrelated to filetype. These can be either built into the server # or added with the Action directive (see below) # # To use CGI scripts outside of ScriptAliased directories: # (You will also need to add "ExecCGI" to the "Options" directive.) # #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi # # For files that include their own HTTP headers: # #AddHandler send-as-is asis # # For server-parsed imagemap files: # #AddHandler imap-file map # # For type maps (negotiated resources): # (This is enabled by default to allow the Apache "It Worked" page # to be distributed in multiple languages.) # AddHandler type-map var # # Filters allow you to process content before it is sent to the client. # # To parse .shtml files for server-side includes (SSI): # (You will also need to add "Includes" to the "Options" directive.) # #AddType text/html .shtml #AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml # # Action lets you define media types that will execute a script whenever # a matching file is called. This eliminates the need for repeated URL # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location # # # Customizable error responses come in three flavors: # 1) plain text 2) local redirects 3) external redirects # # Some examples: #ErrorDocument 500 "The server made a boo boo." #ErrorDocument 404 /missing.html #ErrorDocument 404 "/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl" #ErrorDocument 402 http://www.example.com/subscription_info.html # # # Putting this all together, we can internationalize error responses. # # We use Alias to redirect any /error/HTTP_.html.var response to # our collection of by-error message multi-language collections. We use # includes to substitute the appropriate text. # # You can modify the messages' appearance without changing any of the # default HTTP_.html.var files by adding the line: # # Alias /error/include/ "/your/include/path/" # # which allows you to create your own set of files by starting with the # /usr/local/apache2/error/include/ files and copying them to /your/include/path/, # even on a per-VirtualHost basis. The default include files will display # your Apache version number and your ServerAdmin email address regardless # of the setting of ServerSignature. # # The internationalized error documents require mod_alias, mod_include # and mod_negotiation. To activate them, uncomment the following 30 lines. # Alias /error/ "/usr/local/apache2/error/" # # # AllowOverride None # Options IncludesNoExec # AddOutputFilter Includes html # AddHandler type-map var # Order allow,deny # Allow from all # LanguagePriority en cs de es fr it nl sv pt-br ro # ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback # # # ErrorDocument 400 /error/HTTP_BAD_REQUEST.html.var # ErrorDocument 401 /error/HTTP_UNAUTHORIZED.html.var # ErrorDocument 403 /error/HTTP_FORBIDDEN.html.var # ErrorDocument 404 /error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var # ErrorDocument 405 /error/HTTP_METHOD_NOT_ALLOWED.html.var # ErrorDocument 408 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_TIME_OUT.html.var # ErrorDocument 410 /error/HTTP_GONE.html.var # ErrorDocument 411 /error/HTTP_LENGTH_REQUIRED.html.var # ErrorDocument 412 /error/HTTP_PRECONDITION_FAILED.html.var # ErrorDocument 413 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_ENTITY_TOO_LARGE.html.var # ErrorDocument 414 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_URI_TOO_LARGE.html.var # ErrorDocument 415 /error/HTTP_UNSUPPORTED_MEDIA_TYPE.html.var # ErrorDocument 500 /error/HTTP_INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR.html.var # ErrorDocument 501 /error/HTTP_NOT_IMPLEMENTED.html.var # ErrorDocument 502 /error/HTTP_BAD_GATEWAY.html.var # ErrorDocument 503 /error/HTTP_SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE.html.var # ErrorDocument 506 /error/HTTP_VARIANT_ALSO_VARIES.html.var # # The following directives modify normal HTTP response behavior to # handle known problems with browser implementations. # BrowserMatch "Mozilla/2" nokeepalive BrowserMatch "MSIE 4\.0b2;" nokeepalive downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "RealPlayer 4\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "Java/1\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "JDK/1\.0" force-response-1.0 # # The following directive disables redirects on non-GET requests for # a directory that does not include the trailing slash. This fixes a # problem with Microsoft WebFolders which does not appropriately handle # redirects for folders with DAV methods. # Same deal with Apple's DAV filesystem and Gnome VFS support for DAV. # BrowserMatch "Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^WebDrive" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^WebDAVFS/1.[012]" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^gnome-vfs" redirect-carefully # # Allow server status reports generated by mod_status, # with the URL of http://servername/server-status # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. # # # SetHandler server-status # Order deny,allow # Deny from all # Allow from www.root.com # # # Allow remote server configuration reports, with the URL of # http://servername/server-info (requires that mod_info.c be loaded). # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. # # # SetHandler server-info # Order deny,allow # Deny from all # Allow from .example.com # # # Bring in additional module-specific configurations # Include conf/ssl.conf ### Section 3: Virtual Hosts # # VirtualHost: If you want to maintain multiple domains/hostnames on your # machine you can setup VirtualHost containers for them. Most configurations # use only name-based virtual hosts so the server doesn't need to worry about # IP addresses. This is indicated by the asterisks in the directives below. # # Please see the documentation at # # for further details before you try to setup virtual hosts. # # You may use the command line option '-S' to verify your virtual host # configuration. # # Use name-based virtual hosting. # NameVirtualHost * # # VirtualHost example: # Almost any Apache directive may go into a VirtualHost container. # The first VirtualHost section is used for requests without a known # server name. # # # ServerAdmin webmaster@dummy-host.example.com # DocumentRoot /www/docs/dummy-host.example.com # ServerName dummy-host.example.com # ErrorLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-error_log # CustomLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-access_log common # www.lmcpages.com ServerAdmin webmasta@lmcpages.com DocumentRoot /home/lisa/public_html ServerName www.lmcpages.com ErrorLog /home/lisa/lmc_error.log CustomLog /home/lisa/custom_access.log common # www.root.com ServerAdmin webmasta@root.com DocumentRoot /home/ftp/public_html ServerName www.root.com ErrorLog /home/ftp/root_error.log CustomLog /home/ftp/root_access.log common # www.galactica.com ServerAdmin webmasta@galactica.com DocumentRoot /home/tom/public_html ServerName www.galactica.com ErrorLog /home/tom/gal_error.log CustomLog /home/tom/gal_access.log common #SSLMutex sem #SSLRandomSeed startup builtin #SSLSessionCache none #ErrorLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl.log #LogLevel info -------------- next part -------------- # # This is the Apache server configuration file providing SSL support. # It contains the configuration directives to instruct the server how to # serve pages over an https connection. For detailing information about these # directives see # # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure # consult the online docs. You have been warned. # # # Pseudo Random Number Generator (PRNG): # Configure one or more sources to seed the PRNG of the SSL library. # The seed data should be of good random quality. # WARNING! On some platforms /dev/random blocks if not enough entropy # is available. This means you then cannot use the /dev/random device # because it would lead to very long connection times (as long as # it requires to make more entropy available). But usually those # platforms additionally provide a /dev/urandom device which doesn't # block. So, if available, use this one instead. Read the mod_ssl User # Manual for more details. # # Note: This must come before the container to support # starting without SSL on platforms with no /dev/random equivalent # but a statically compiled-in mod_ssl. # SSLRandomSeed startup builtin SSLRandomSeed connect builtin #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/random 512 #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/urandom 512 #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/random 512 #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/urandom 512 # # When we also provide SSL we have to listen to the # standard HTTP port (see above) and to the HTTPS port # # Note: Configurations that use IPv6 but not IPv4-mapped addresses need two # Listen directives: "Listen [::]:443" and "Listen 0.0.0.0:443" # Listen :443 ## ## SSL Global Context ## ## All SSL configuration in this context applies both to ## the main server and all SSL-enabled virtual hosts. ## # # Some MIME-types for downloading Certificates and CRLs # AddType application/x-x509-ca-cert .crt AddType application/x-pkcs7-crl .crl # Pass Phrase Dialog: # Configure the pass phrase gathering process. # The filtering dialog program (`builtin' is a internal # terminal dialog) has to provide the pass phrase on stdout. SSLPassPhraseDialog builtin # Inter-Process Session Cache: # Configure the SSL Session Cache: First the mechanism # to use and second the expiring timeout (in seconds). #SSLSessionCache none #SSLSessionCache shmht:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) #SSLSessionCache shmcb:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) SSLSessionCache dbm:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache SSLSessionCacheTimeout 300 # Semaphore: # Configure the path to the mutual exclusion semaphore the # SSL engine uses internally for inter-process synchronization. SSLMutex file:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_mutex ## ## SSL Virtual Host Context ## # General setup for the virtual host DocumentRoot "/home/tom/public_html" ServerName www.galactica.com:443 ServerAdmin sysadmin@galactica.com ErrorLog /home/tom/ssl_error_log TransferLog /home/tom/ssl_access_log # SSL Engine Switch: # Enable/Disable SSL for this virtual host. SSLEngine on # SSL Cipher Suite: # List the ciphers that the client is permitted to negotiate. # See the mod_ssl documentation for a complete list. SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP:+eNULL # Server Certificate: # Point SSLCertificateFile at a PEM encoded certificate. If # the certificate is encrypted, then you will be prompted for a # pass phrase. Note that a kill -HUP will prompt again. Keep # in mind that if you have both an RSA and a DSA certificate you # can configure both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA # ciphers, etc.) SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.crt #SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/server-dsa.crt # Server Private Key: # If the key is not combined with the certificate, use this # directive to point at the key file. Keep in mind that if # you've both a RSA and a DSA private key you can configure # both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA ciphers, etc.) SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.key #SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.key/server-dsa.key # Server Certificate Chain: # Point SSLCertificateChainFile at a file containing the # concatenation of PEM encoded CA certificates which form the # certificate chain for the server certificate. Alternatively # the referenced file can be the same as SSLCertificateFile # when the CA certificates are directly appended to the server # certificate for convinience. #SSLCertificateChainFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca.crt # Certificate Authority (CA): # Set the CA certificate verification path where to find CA # certificates for client authentication or alternatively one # huge file containing all of them (file must be PEM encoded) # Note: Inside SSLCACertificatePath you need hash symlinks # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. #SSLCACertificatePath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt #SSLCACertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca-bundle.crt # Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL): # Set the CA revocation path where to find CA CRLs for client # authentication or alternatively one huge file containing all # of them (file must be PEM encoded) # Note: Inside SSLCARevocationPath you need hash symlinks # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. #SSLCARevocationPath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl #SSLCARevocationFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl/ca-bundle.crl # Client Authentication (Type): # Client certificate verification type and depth. Types are # none, optional, require and optional_no_ca. Depth is a # number which specifies how deeply to verify the certificate # issuer chain before deciding the certificate is not valid. #SSLVerifyClient require #SSLVerifyDepth 10 # Access Control: # With SSLRequire you can do per-directory access control based # on arbitrary complex boolean expressions containing server # variable checks and other lookup directives. The syntax is a # mixture between C and Perl. See the mod_ssl documentation # for more details. # #SSLRequire ( %{SSL_CIPHER} !~ m/^(EXP|NULL)/ \ # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_O} eq "Snake Oil, Ltd." \ # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_OU} in {"Staff", "CA", "Dev"} \ # and %{TIME_WDAY} >= 1 and %{TIME_WDAY} <= 5 \ # and %{TIME_HOUR} >= 8 and %{TIME_HOUR} <= 20 ) \ # or %{REMOTE_ADDR} =~ m/^192\.76\.162\.[0-9]+$/ # # SSL Engine Options: # Set various options for the SSL engine. # o FakeBasicAuth: # Translate the client X.509 into a Basic Authorisation. This means that # the standard Auth/DBMAuth methods can be used for access control. The # user name is the `one line' version of the client's X.509 certificate. # Note that no password is obtained from the user. Every entry in the user # file needs this password: `xxj31ZMTZzkVA'. # o ExportCertData: # This exports two additional environment variables: SSL_CLIENT_CERT and # SSL_SERVER_CERT. These contain the PEM-encoded certificates of the # server (always existing) and the client (only existing when client # authentication is used). This can be used to import the certificates # into CGI scripts. # o StdEnvVars: # This exports the standard SSL/TLS related `SSL_*' environment variables. # Per default this exportation is switched off for performance reasons, # because the extraction step is an expensive operation and is usually # useless for serving static content. So one usually enables the # exportation for CGI and SSI requests only. # o CompatEnvVars: # This exports obsolete environment variables for backward compatibility # to Apache-SSL 1.x, mod_ssl 2.0.x, Sioux 1.0 and Stronghold 2.x. Use this # to provide compatibility to existing CGI scripts. # o StrictRequire: # This denies access when "SSLRequireSSL" or "SSLRequire" applied even # under a "Satisfy any" situation, i.e. when it applies access is denied # and no other module can change it. # o OptRenegotiate: # This enables optimized SSL connection renegotiation handling when SSL # directives are used in per-directory context. #SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +ExportCertData +CompatEnvVars +StrictRequire SSLOptions +StdEnvVars SSLOptions +StdEnvVars # SSL Protocol Adjustments: # The safe and default but still SSL/TLS standard compliant shutdown # approach is that mod_ssl sends the close notify alert but doesn't wait for # the close notify alert from client. When you need a different shutdown # approach you can use one of the following variables: # o ssl-unclean-shutdown: # This forces an unclean shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. no # SSL close notify alert is send or allowed to received. This violates # the SSL/TLS standard but is needed for some brain-dead browsers. Use # this when you receive I/O errors because of the standard approach where # mod_ssl sends the close notify alert. # o ssl-accurate-shutdown: # This forces an accurate shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. a # SSL close notify alert is send and mod_ssl waits for the close notify # alert of the client. This is 100% SSL/TLS standard compliant, but in # practice often causes hanging connections with brain-dead browsers. Use # this only for browsers where you know that their SSL implementation # works correctly. # Notice: Most problems of broken clients are also related to the HTTP # keep-alive facility, so you usually additionally want to disable # keep-alive for those clients, too. Use variable "nokeepalive" for this. # Similarly, one has to force some clients to use HTTP/1.0 to workaround # their broken HTTP/1.1 implementation. Use variables "downgrade-1.0" and # "force-response-1.0" for this. SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \ nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \ downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 # Per-Server Logging: # The home of a custom SSL log file. Use this when you want a # compact non-error SSL logfile on a virtual host basis. CustomLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_request_log \ "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b" -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Tue May 18 12:37:28 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache-SSL Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BA@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Hello my name is David , I am a current student at Dunwoody College. I am in great need of you help, Jack, Jeff Lehman and Jima reffered me here but my time is really short. I am going to try to post this same question on the mailing list if I get a chance. Ok , my senior project I was chosen to be the web-admin, I wanna have the best set up in regards that it involves mot just having pages show up but I want to implement php, sql, and all that other good stuff. To make this short, my effort has been toward hosting one site through SSL, for some reason it does not work. We have slackware 9 running Apache 1.3, so I read we needed to patch it and what not so I installed Apache 2. Supposedly this comes with mod_ssl install by default which this is not true, so I found out. I have ave generated my certificates under 1.3 and I want to use them with 2. I have compiled Apache --enable-all and I have complied it with just the --enable-ssl module. Ok, I run apachectl startssl and it runs fine but when I run a scan port :443 does not show up, I am really sorry and I hope you can find some time to help. I am attaching my config files. Hope to hear from you soon, and THANK YOU in advanced. # # Based upon the NCSA server configuration files originally by Rob McCool. # # This is the main Apache server configuration file. It contains the # configuration directives that give the server its instructions. # See for detailed information about # the directives. # # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure # consult the online docs. You have been warned. # # The configuration directives are grouped into three basic sections: # 1. Directives that control the operation of the Apache server process as a # whole (the 'global environment'). # 2. Directives that define the parameters of the 'main' or 'default' server, # which responds to requests that aren't handled by a virtual host. # These directives also provide default values for the settings # of all virtual hosts. # 3. Settings for virtual hosts, which allow Web requests to be sent to # different IP addresses or hostnames and have them handled by the # same Apache server process. # # Configuration and logfile names: If the filenames you specify for many # of the server's control files begin with "/" (or "drive:/" for Win32), the # server will use that explicit path. If the filenames do *not* begin # with "/", the value of ServerRoot is prepended -- so "logs/foo.log" # with ServerRoot set to "/usr/local/apache2" will be interpreted by the # server as "/usr/local/apache2/logs/foo.log". # ### Section 1: Global Environment # # The directives in this section affect the overall operation of Apache, # such as the number of concurrent requests it can handle or where it # can find its configuration files. # # # ServerRoot: The top of the directory tree under which the server's # configuration, error, and log files are kept. # # NOTE! If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network) # mounted filesystem then please read the LockFile documentation (available # at ); # you will save yourself a lot of trouble. # # Do NOT add a slash at the end of the directory path. # ServerRoot "/usr/local/apache2" # # The accept serialization lock file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. # #LockFile logs/accept.lock # # ScoreBoardFile: File used to store internal server process information. # If unspecified (the default), the scoreboard will be stored in an # anonymous shared memory segment, and will be unavailable to third-party # applications. # If specified, ensure that no two invocations of Apache share the same # scoreboard file. The scoreboard file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. # #ScoreBoardFile logs/apache_runtime_status # # PidFile: The file in which the server should record its process # identification number when it starts. # PidFile logs/httpd.pid # # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out. # Timeout 300 # # KeepAlive: Whether or not to allow persistent connections (more than # one request per connection). Set to "Off" to deactivate. # KeepAlive On # # MaxKeepAliveRequests: The maximum number of requests to allow # during a persistent connection. Set to 0 to allow an unlimited amount. # We recommend you leave this number high, for maximum performance. # MaxKeepAliveRequests 100 # # KeepAliveTimeout: Number of seconds to wait for the next request from the # same client on the same connection. # KeepAliveTimeout 15 ## ## Server-Pool Size Regulation (MPM specific) ## # prefork MPM # StartServers: number of server processes to start # MinSpareServers: minimum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxSpareServers: maximum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxClients: maximum number of server processes allowed to start # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 5 MinSpareServers 5 MaxSpareServers 10 MaxClients 150 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # worker MPM # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 2 MaxClients 150 MinSpareThreads 25 MaxSpareThreads 75 ThreadsPerChild 25 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # perchild MPM # NumServers: constant number of server processes # StartThreads: initial number of worker threads in each server process # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxThreadsPerChild: maximum number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of connections per server process NumServers 5 StartThreads 5 MinSpareThreads 5 MaxSpareThreads 10 MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # WinNT MPM # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in the server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves ThreadsPerChild 250 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # BeOS MPM # StartThreads: how many threads do we initially spawn? # MaxClients: max number of threads we can have (1 thread == 1 client) # MaxRequestsPerThread: maximum number of requests each thread will process StartThreads 10 MaxClients 50 MaxRequestsPerThread 10000 # NetWare MPM # ThreadStackSize: Stack size allocated for each worker thread # StartThreads: Number of worker threads launched at server startup # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads, to handle request spikes # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads # MaxThreads: Maximum number of worker threads alive at the same time # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of requests a thread serves. It is # recommended that the default value of 0 be set for this # directive on NetWare. This will allow the thread to # continue to service requests indefinitely. ThreadStackSize 65536 StartThreads 250 MinSpareThreads 25 MaxSpareThreads 250 MaxThreads 1000 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 MaxMemFree 100 # OS/2 MPM # StartServers: Number of server processes to maintain # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads per process, # to handle request spikes # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads per process # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of connections per server process StartServers 2 MinSpareThreads 5 MaxSpareThreads 10 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # # Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or # ports, instead of the default. See also the # directive. # # Change this to Listen on specific IP addresses as shown below to # prevent Apache from glomming onto all bound IP addresses (0.0.0.0) # #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 Listen *:80 # # Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support # # To be able to use the functionality of a module which was built as a DSO you # have to place corresponding `LoadModule' lines at this location so the # directives contained in it are actually available _before_ they are used. # Statically compiled modules (those listed by `httpd -l') do not need # to be loaded here. # # Example: # LoadModule foo_module modules/mod_foo.so # # # ExtendedStatus controls whether Apache will generate "full" status # information (ExtendedStatus On) or just basic information (ExtendedStatus # Off) when the "server-status" handler is called. The default is Off. # #ExtendedStatus On ### Section 2: 'Main' server configuration # # The directives in this section set up the values used by the 'main' # server, which responds to any requests that aren't handled by a # definition. These values also provide defaults for # any containers you may define later in the file. # # All of these directives may appear inside containers, # in which case these default settings will be overridden for the # virtual host being defined. # # # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run # httpd as root initially and it will switch. # # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. # . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup". # . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the # suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user. # NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET) # when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000; # don't use Group #-1 on these systems! # User nobody # # ServerAdmin: Your address, where problems with the server should be # e-mailed. This address appears on some server-generated pages, such # as error documents. e.g. admin@your-domain.com # ServerAdmin you@example.com # # ServerName gives the name and port that the server uses to identify itself. # This can often be determined automatically, but we recommend you specify # it explicitly to prevent problems during startup. # # If this is not set to valid DNS name for your host, server-generated # redirections will not work. See also the UseCanonicalName directive. # # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make # redirections work in a sensible way. # #ServerName www.example.com:80 ServerName localhost:80 # # UseCanonicalName: Determines how Apache constructs self-referencing # URLs and the SERVER_NAME and SERVER_PORT variables. # When set "Off", Apache will use the Hostname and Port supplied # by the client. When set "On", Apache will use the value of the # ServerName directive. # UseCanonicalName On # # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. # DocumentRoot "/usr/local/apache2/htdocs" # # Each directory to which Apache has access can be configured with respect # to which services and features are allowed and/or disabled in that # directory (and its subdirectories). # # First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of # features. # Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None # # Note that from this point forward you must specifically allow # particular features to be enabled - so if something's not working as # you might expect, make sure that you have specifically enabled it # below. # # # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. # # # Possible values for the Options directive are "None", "All", # or any combination of: # Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch ExecCGI MultiViews # # Note that "MultiViews" must be named *explicitly* --- "Options All" # doesn't give it to you. # # The Options directive is both complicated and important. Please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#options # for more information. # Options Indexes FollowSymLinks # # AllowOverride controls what directives may be placed in .htaccess files. # It can be "All", "None", or any combination of the keywords: # Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit # AllowOverride None # # Controls who can get stuff from this server. # Order allow,deny Allow from all # # UserDir: The name of the directory that is appended onto a user's home # directory if a ~user request is received. # UserDir public_html # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all # # DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory # is requested. # # The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content- # negotiated documents. The MultiViews Option can be used for the # same purpose, but it is much slower. # DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.html.var # # AccessFileName: The name of the file to look for in each directory # for additional configuration directives. See also the AllowOverride # directive. # AccessFileName .htaccess # # The following lines prevent .htaccess and .htpasswd files from being # viewed by Web clients. # Order allow,deny Deny from all # # TypesConfig describes where the mime.types file (or equivalent) is # to be found. # TypesConfig conf/mime.types # # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, "text/plain" is # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications # or images, you may want to use "application/octet-stream" instead to # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are # text. # DefaultType text/plain # # The mod_mime_magic module allows the server to use various hints from the # contents of the file itself to determine its type. The MIMEMagicFile # directive tells the module where the hint definitions are located. # MIMEMagicFile conf/magic # # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses # e.g., www.apache.org (on) or 204.62.129.132 (off). # The default is off because it'd be overall better for the net if people # had to knowingly turn this feature on, since enabling it means that # each client request will result in AT LEAST one lookup request to the # nameserver. # HostnameLookups Off # # EnableMMAP: Control whether memory-mapping is used to deliver # files (assuming that the underlying OS supports it). # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted # filesystems. On some systems, turning it off (regardless of # filesystem) can improve performance; for details, please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablemmap # #EnableMMAP off # # EnableSendfile: Control whether the sendfile kernel support is # used to deliver files (assuming that the OS supports it). # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted # filesystems. Please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablesendfile # #EnableSendfile off # # ErrorLog: The location of the error log file. # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be # logged here. If you *do* define an error logfile for a # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here. # ErrorLog logs/error_log # # LogLevel: Control the number of messages logged to the error_log. # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. # LogLevel warn # # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with # a CustomLog directive (see below). # LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent # You need to enable mod_logio.c to use %I and %O #LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\" %I %O" combinedio # # The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format). # If you do not define any access logfiles within a # container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do* # define per- access logfiles, transactions will be # logged therein and *not* in this file. # CustomLog logs/access_log common # # If you would like to have agent and referer logfiles, uncomment the # following directives. # #CustomLog logs/referer_log referer #CustomLog logs/agent_log agent # # If you prefer a single logfile with access, agent, and referer information # (Combined Logfile Format) you can use the following directive. # #CustomLog logs/access_log combined # # ServerTokens # This directive configures what you return as the Server HTTP response # Header. The default is 'Full' which sends information about the OS-Type # and compiled in modules. # Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod # where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. # ServerTokens Full # # Optionally add a line containing the server version and virtual host # name to server-generated pages (internal error documents, FTP directory # listings, mod_status and mod_info output etc., but not CGI generated # documents or custom error documents). # Set to "EMail" to also include a mailto: link to the ServerAdmin. # Set to one of: On | Off | EMail # ServerSignature On # # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The format is # Alias fakename realname # # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in this # example, only "/icons/". If the fakename is slash-terminated, then the # realname must also be slash terminated, and if the fakename omits the # trailing slash, the realname must also omit it. # # We include the /icons/ alias for FancyIndexed directory listings. If you # do not use FancyIndexing, you may comment this out. # Alias /icons/ "/usr/local/apache2/icons/" Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all # # This should be changed to the ServerRoot/manual/. The alias provides # the manual, even if you choose to move your DocumentRoot. You may comment # this out if you do not care for the documentation. # AliasMatch ^/manual(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$ "/usr/local/apache2/manual$1" Options Indexes AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all SetHandler type-map SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/de/ prefer-language=de SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/en/ prefer-language=en SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/fr/ prefer-language=fr SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ja/ prefer-language=ja SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ko/ prefer-language=ko SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ru/ prefer-language=ru RedirectMatch 301 ^/manual(?:/(de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru)){2,}(/.*)?$ /manual/$1$2 # # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client. # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to # Alias. # ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/" # # Additional to mod_cgid.c settings, mod_cgid has Scriptsock # for setting UNIX socket for communicating with cgid. # #Scriptsock logs/cgisock # # "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. # AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all # # Redirect allows you to tell clients about documents which used to exist in # your server's namespace, but do not anymore. This allows you to tell the # clients where to look for the relocated document. # Example: # Redirect permanent /foo http://www.example.com/bar # # Directives controlling the display of server-generated directory listings. # # # IndexOptions: Controls the appearance of server-generated directory # listings. # IndexOptions FancyIndexing VersionSort # # AddIcon* directives tell the server which icon to show for different # files or filename extensions. These are only displayed for # FancyIndexed directories. # AddIconByEncoding (CMP,/icons/compressed.gif) x-compress x-gzip AddIconByType (TXT,/icons/text.gif) text/* AddIconByType (IMG,/icons/image2.gif) image/* AddIconByType (SND,/icons/sound2.gif) audio/* AddIconByType (VID,/icons/movie.gif) video/* AddIcon /icons/binary.gif .bin .exe AddIcon /icons/binhex.gif .hqx AddIcon /icons/tar.gif .tar AddIcon /icons/world2.gif .wrl .wrl.gz .vrml .vrm .iv AddIcon /icons/compressed.gif .Z .z .tgz .gz .zip AddIcon /icons/a.gif .ps .ai .eps AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf AddIcon /icons/text.gif .txt AddIcon /icons/c.gif .c AddIcon /icons/p.gif .pl .py AddIcon /icons/f.gif .for AddIcon /icons/dvi.gif .dvi AddIcon /icons/uuencoded.gif .uu AddIcon /icons/script.gif .conf .sh .shar .csh .ksh .tcl AddIcon /icons/tex.gif .tex AddIcon /icons/bomb.gif core AddIcon /icons/back.gif .. AddIcon /icons/hand.right.gif README AddIcon /icons/folder.gif ^^DIRECTORY^^ AddIcon /icons/blank.gif ^^BLANKICON^^ # # DefaultIcon is which icon to show for files which do not have an icon # explicitly set. # DefaultIcon /icons/unknown.gif # # AddDescription allows you to place a short description after a file in # server-generated indexes. These are only displayed for FancyIndexed # directories. # Format: AddDescription "description" filename # #AddDescription "GZIP compressed document" .gz #AddDescription "tar archive" .tar #AddDescription "GZIP compressed tar archive" .tgz # # ReadmeName is the name of the README file the server will look for by # default, and append to directory listings. # # HeaderName is the name of a file which should be prepended to # directory indexes. ReadmeName README.html HeaderName HEADER.html # # IndexIgnore is a set of filenames which directory indexing should ignore # and not include in the listing. Shell-style wildcarding is permitted. # IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t # # DefaultLanguage and AddLanguage allows you to specify the language of # a document. You can then use content negotiation to give a browser a # file in a language the user can understand. # # Specify a default language. This means that all data # going out without a specific language tag (see below) will # be marked with this one. You probably do NOT want to set # this unless you are sure it is correct for all cases. # # * It is generally better to not mark a page as # * being a certain language than marking it with the wrong # * language! # # DefaultLanguage nl # # Note 1: The suffix does not have to be the same as the language # keyword --- those with documents in Polish (whose net-standard # language code is pl) may wish to use "AddLanguage pl .po" to # avoid the ambiguity with the common suffix for perl scripts. # # Note 2: The example entries below illustrate that in some cases # the two character 'Language' abbreviation is not identical to # the two character 'Country' code for its country, # E.g. 'Danmark/dk' versus 'Danish/da'. # # Note 3: In the case of 'ltz' we violate the RFC by using a three char # specifier. There is 'work in progress' to fix this and get # the reference data for rfc1766 cleaned up. # # Catalan (ca) - Croatian (hr) - Czech (cs) - Danish (da) - Dutch (nl) # English (en) - Esperanto (eo) - Estonian (et) - French (fr) - German (de) # Greek-Modern (el) - Hebrew (he) - Italian (it) - Japanese (ja) # Korean (ko) - Luxembourgeois* (ltz) - Norwegian Nynorsk (nn) # Norwegian (no) - Polish (pl) - Portugese (pt) # Brazilian Portuguese (pt-BR) - Russian (ru) - Swedish (sv) # Simplified Chinese (zh-CN) - Spanish (es) - Traditional Chinese (zh-TW) # AddLanguage ca .ca AddLanguage cs .cz .cs AddLanguage da .dk AddLanguage de .de AddLanguage el .el AddLanguage en .en AddLanguage eo .eo AddLanguage es .es AddLanguage et .et AddLanguage fr .fr AddLanguage he .he AddLanguage hr .hr AddLanguage it .it AddLanguage ja .ja AddLanguage ko .ko AddLanguage ltz .ltz AddLanguage nl .nl AddLanguage nn .nn AddLanguage no .no AddLanguage pl .po AddLanguage pt .pt AddLanguage pt-BR .pt-br AddLanguage ru .ru AddLanguage sv .sv AddLanguage zh-CN .zh-cn AddLanguage zh-TW .zh-tw # # LanguagePriority allows you to give precedence to some languages # in case of a tie during content negotiation. # # Just list the languages in decreasing order of preference. We have # more or less alphabetized them here. You probably want to change this. # LanguagePriority en ca cs da de el eo es et fr he hr it ja ko ltz nl nn no pl pt pt-BR ru sv zh-CN zh-TW # # ForceLanguagePriority allows you to serve a result page rather than # MULTIPLE CHOICES (Prefer) [in case of a tie] or NOT ACCEPTABLE (Fallback) # [in case no accepted languages matched the available variants] # ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback # # Specify a default charset for all pages sent out. This is # always a good idea and opens the door for future internationalisation # of your web site, should you ever want it. Specifying it as # a default does little harm; as the standard dictates that a page # is in iso-8859-1 (latin1) unless specified otherwise i.e. you # are merely stating the obvious. There are also some security # reasons in browsers, related to javascript and URL parsing # which encourage you to always set a default char set. # AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 # # Commonly used filename extensions to character sets. You probably # want to avoid clashes with the language extensions, unless you # are good at carefully testing your setup after each change. # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets for the # official list of charset names and their respective RFCs. # AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .iso8859-1 .latin1 AddCharset ISO-8859-2 .iso8859-2 .latin2 .cen AddCharset ISO-8859-3 .iso8859-3 .latin3 AddCharset ISO-8859-4 .iso8859-4 .latin4 AddCharset ISO-8859-5 .iso8859-5 .latin5 .cyr .iso-ru AddCharset ISO-8859-6 .iso8859-6 .latin6 .arb AddCharset ISO-8859-7 .iso8859-7 .latin7 .grk AddCharset ISO-8859-8 .iso8859-8 .latin8 .heb AddCharset ISO-8859-9 .iso8859-9 .latin9 .trk AddCharset ISO-2022-JP .iso2022-jp .jis AddCharset ISO-2022-KR .iso2022-kr .kis AddCharset ISO-2022-CN .iso2022-cn .cis AddCharset Big5 .Big5 .big5 # For russian, more than one charset is used (depends on client, mostly): AddCharset WINDOWS-1251 .cp-1251 .win-1251 AddCharset CP866 .cp866 AddCharset KOI8-r .koi8-r .koi8-ru AddCharset KOI8-ru .koi8-uk .ua AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-2 .ucs2 AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-4 .ucs4 AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 # The set below does not map to a specific (iso) standard # but works on a fairly wide range of browsers. Note that # capitalization actually matters (it should not, but it # does for some browsers). # # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets # for a list of sorts. But browsers support few. # AddCharset GB2312 .gb2312 .gb AddCharset utf-7 .utf7 AddCharset utf-8 .utf8 AddCharset big5 .big5 .b5 AddCharset EUC-TW .euc-tw AddCharset EUC-JP .euc-jp AddCharset EUC-KR .euc-kr AddCharset shift_jis .sjis # # AddType allows you to add to or override the MIME configuration # file mime.types for specific file types. # #AddType application/x-tar .tgz # # AddEncoding allows you to have certain browsers uncompress # information on the fly. Note: Not all browsers support this. # Despite the name similarity, the following Add* directives have nothing # to do with the FancyIndexing customization directives above. # #AddEncoding x-compress .Z #AddEncoding x-gzip .gz .tgz # # If the AddEncoding directives above are commented-out, then you # probably should define those extensions to indicate media types: # AddType application/x-compress .Z AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz # # AddHandler allows you to map certain file extensions to "handlers": # actions unrelated to filetype. These can be either built into the server # or added with the Action directive (see below) # # To use CGI scripts outside of ScriptAliased directories: # (You will also need to add "ExecCGI" to the "Options" directive.) # #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi # # For files that include their own HTTP headers: # #AddHandler send-as-is asis # # For server-parsed imagemap files: # #AddHandler imap-file map # # For type maps (negotiated resources): # (This is enabled by default to allow the Apache "It Worked" page # to be distributed in multiple languages.) # AddHandler type-map var # # Filters allow you to process content before it is sent to the client. # # To parse .shtml files for server-side includes (SSI): # (You will also need to add "Includes" to the "Options" directive.) # #AddType text/html .shtml #AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml # # Action lets you define media types that will execute a script whenever # a matching file is called. This eliminates the need for repeated URL # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location # # # Customizable error responses come in three flavors: # 1) plain text 2) local redirects 3) external redirects # # Some examples: #ErrorDocument 500 "The server made a boo boo." #ErrorDocument 404 /missing.html #ErrorDocument 404 "/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl" #ErrorDocument 402 http://www.example.com/subscription_info.html # # # Putting this all together, we can internationalize error responses. # # We use Alias to redirect any /error/HTTP_.html.var response to # our collection of by-error message multi-language collections. We use # includes to substitute the appropriate text. # # You can modify the messages' appearance without changing any of the # default HTTP_.html.var files by adding the line: # # Alias /error/include/ "/your/include/path/" # # which allows you to create your own set of files by starting with the # /usr/local/apache2/error/include/ files and copying them to /your/include/path/, # even on a per-VirtualHost basis. The default include files will display # your Apache version number and your ServerAdmin email address regardless # of the setting of ServerSignature. # # The internationalized error documents require mod_alias, mod_include # and mod_negotiation. To activate them, uncomment the following 30 lines. # Alias /error/ "/usr/local/apache2/error/" # # # AllowOverride None # Options IncludesNoExec # AddOutputFilter Includes html # AddHandler type-map var # Order allow,deny # Allow from all # LanguagePriority en cs de es fr it nl sv pt-br ro # ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback # # # ErrorDocument 400 /error/HTTP_BAD_REQUEST.html.var # ErrorDocument 401 /error/HTTP_UNAUTHORIZED.html.var # ErrorDocument 403 /error/HTTP_FORBIDDEN.html.var # ErrorDocument 404 /error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var # ErrorDocument 405 /error/HTTP_METHOD_NOT_ALLOWED.html.var # ErrorDocument 408 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_TIME_OUT.html.var # ErrorDocument 410 /error/HTTP_GONE.html.var # ErrorDocument 411 /error/HTTP_LENGTH_REQUIRED.html.var # ErrorDocument 412 /error/HTTP_PRECONDITION_FAILED.html.var # ErrorDocument 413 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_ENTITY_TOO_LARGE.html.var # ErrorDocument 414 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_URI_TOO_LARGE.html.var # ErrorDocument 415 /error/HTTP_UNSUPPORTED_MEDIA_TYPE.html.var # ErrorDocument 500 /error/HTTP_INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR.html.var # ErrorDocument 501 /error/HTTP_NOT_IMPLEMENTED.html.var # ErrorDocument 502 /error/HTTP_BAD_GATEWAY.html.var # ErrorDocument 503 /error/HTTP_SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE.html.var # ErrorDocument 506 /error/HTTP_VARIANT_ALSO_VARIES.html.var # # The following directives modify normal HTTP response behavior to # handle known problems with browser implementations. # BrowserMatch "Mozilla/2" nokeepalive BrowserMatch "MSIE 4\.0b2;" nokeepalive downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "RealPlayer 4\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "Java/1\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "JDK/1\.0" force-response-1.0 # # The following directive disables redirects on non-GET requests for # a directory that does not include the trailing slash. This fixes a # problem with Microsoft WebFolders which does not appropriately handle # redirects for folders with DAV methods. # Same deal with Apple's DAV filesystem and Gnome VFS support for DAV. # BrowserMatch "Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^WebDrive" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^WebDAVFS/1.[012]" redirect-carefully BrowserMatch "^gnome-vfs" redirect-carefully # # Allow server status reports generated by mod_status, # with the URL of http://servername/server-status # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. # # # SetHandler server-status # Order deny,allow # Deny from all # Allow from www.root.com # # # Allow remote server configuration reports, with the URL of # http://servername/server-info (requires that mod_info.c be loaded). # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. # # # SetHandler server-info # Order deny,allow # Deny from all # Allow from .example.com # # # Bring in additional module-specific configurations # Include conf/ssl.conf ### Section 3: Virtual Hosts # # VirtualHost: If you want to maintain multiple domains/hostnames on your # machine you can setup VirtualHost containers for them. Most configurations # use only name-based virtual hosts so the server doesn't need to worry about # IP addresses. This is indicated by the asterisks in the directives below. # # Please see the documentation at # # for further details before you try to setup virtual hosts. # # You may use the command line option '-S' to verify your virtual host # configuration. # # Use name-based virtual hosting. # NameVirtualHost * # # VirtualHost example: # Almost any Apache directive may go into a VirtualHost container. # The first VirtualHost section is used for requests without a known # server name. # # # ServerAdmin webmaster@dummy-host.example.com # DocumentRoot /www/docs/dummy-host.example.com # ServerName dummy-host.example.com # ErrorLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-error_log # CustomLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-access_log common # www.lmcpages.com ServerAdmin webmasta@lmcpages.com DocumentRoot /home/lisa/public_html ServerName www.lmcpages.com ErrorLog /home/lisa/lmc_error.log CustomLog /home/lisa/custom_access.log common # www.root.com ServerAdmin webmasta@root.com DocumentRoot /home/ftp/public_html ServerName www.root.com ErrorLog /home/ftp/root_error.log CustomLog /home/ftp/root_access.log common # www.galactica.com ServerAdmin webmasta@galactica.com DocumentRoot /home/tom/public_html ServerName www.galactica.com ErrorLog /home/tom/gal_error.log CustomLog /home/tom/gal_access.log common #SSLMutex sem #SSLRandomSeed startup builtin #SSLSessionCache none #ErrorLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl.log #LogLevel info SSL.CONF # # This is the Apache server configuration file providing SSL support. # It contains the configuration directives to instruct the server how to # serve pages over an https connection. For detailing information about these # directives see # # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure # consult the online docs. You have been warned. # # # Pseudo Random Number Generator (PRNG): # Configure one or more sources to seed the PRNG of the SSL library. # The seed data should be of good random quality. # WARNING! On some platforms /dev/random blocks if not enough entropy # is available. This means you then cannot use the /dev/random device # because it would lead to very long connection times (as long as # it requires to make more entropy available). But usually those # platforms additionally provide a /dev/urandom device which doesn't # block. So, if available, use this one instead. Read the mod_ssl User # Manual for more details. # # Note: This must come before the container to support # starting without SSL on platforms with no /dev/random equivalent # but a statically compiled-in mod_ssl. # SSLRandomSeed startup builtin SSLRandomSeed connect builtin #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/random 512 #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/urandom 512 #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/random 512 #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/urandom 512 # # When we also provide SSL we have to listen to the # standard HTTP port (see above) and to the HTTPS port # # Note: Configurations that use IPv6 but not IPv4-mapped addresses need two # Listen directives: "Listen [::]:443" and "Listen 0.0.0.0:443" # Listen :443 ## ## SSL Global Context ## ## All SSL configuration in this context applies both to ## the main server and all SSL-enabled virtual hosts. ## # # Some MIME-types for downloading Certificates and CRLs # AddType application/x-x509-ca-cert .crt AddType application/x-pkcs7-crl .crl # Pass Phrase Dialog: # Configure the pass phrase gathering process. # The filtering dialog program (`builtin' is a internal # terminal dialog) has to provide the pass phrase on stdout. SSLPassPhraseDialog builtin # Inter-Process Session Cache: # Configure the SSL Session Cache: First the mechanism # to use and second the expiring timeout (in seconds). #SSLSessionCache none #SSLSessionCache shmht:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) #SSLSessionCache shmcb:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) SSLSessionCache dbm:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache SSLSessionCacheTimeout 300 # Semaphore: # Configure the path to the mutual exclusion semaphore the # SSL engine uses internally for inter-process synchronization. SSLMutex file:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_mutex ## ## SSL Virtual Host Context ## # General setup for the virtual host DocumentRoot "/home/tom/public_html" ServerName www.galactica.com:443 ServerAdmin sysadmin@galactica.com ErrorLog /home/tom/ssl_error_log TransferLog /home/tom/ssl_access_log # SSL Engine Switch: # Enable/Disable SSL for this virtual host. SSLEngine on # SSL Cipher Suite: # List the ciphers that the client is permitted to negotiate. # See the mod_ssl documentation for a complete list. SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP:+eNULL # Server Certificate: # Point SSLCertificateFile at a PEM encoded certificate. If # the certificate is encrypted, then you will be prompted for a # pass phrase. Note that a kill -HUP will prompt again. Keep # in mind that if you have both an RSA and a DSA certificate you # can configure both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA # ciphers, etc.) SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.crt #SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/server-dsa.crt # Server Private Key: # If the key is not combined with the certificate, use this # directive to point at the key file. Keep in mind that if # you've both a RSA and a DSA private key you can configure # both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA ciphers, etc.) SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.key #SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.key/server-dsa.key # Server Certificate Chain: # Point SSLCertificateChainFile at a file containing the # concatenation of PEM encoded CA certificates which form the # certificate chain for the server certificate. Alternatively # the referenced file can be the same as SSLCertificateFile # when the CA certificates are directly appended to the server # certificate for convinience. #SSLCertificateChainFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca.crt # Certificate Authority (CA): # Set the CA certificate verification path where to find CA # certificates for client authentication or alternatively one # huge file containing all of them (file must be PEM encoded) # Note: Inside SSLCACertificatePath you need hash symlinks # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. #SSLCACertificatePath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt #SSLCACertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca-bundle.crt # Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL): # Set the CA revocation path where to find CA CRLs for client # authentication or alternatively one huge file containing all # of them (file must be PEM encoded) # Note: Inside SSLCARevocationPath you need hash symlinks # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. #SSLCARevocationPath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl #SSLCARevocationFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl/ca-bundle.crl # Client Authentication (Type): # Client certificate verification type and depth. Types are # none, optional, require and optional_no_ca. Depth is a # number which specifies how deeply to verify the certificate # issuer chain before deciding the certificate is not valid. #SSLVerifyClient require #SSLVerifyDepth 10 # Access Control: # With SSLRequire you can do per-directory access control based # on arbitrary complex boolean expressions containing server # variable checks and other lookup directives. The syntax is a # mixture between C and Perl. See the mod_ssl documentation # for more details. # #SSLRequire ( %{SSL_CIPHER} !~ m/^(EXP|NULL)/ \ # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_O} eq "Snake Oil, Ltd." \ # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_OU} in {"Staff", "CA", "Dev"} \ # and %{TIME_WDAY} >= 1 and %{TIME_WDAY} <= 5 \ # and %{TIME_HOUR} >= 8 and %{TIME_HOUR} <= 20 ) \ # or %{REMOTE_ADDR} =~ m/^192\.76\.162\.[0-9]+$/ # # SSL Engine Options: # Set various options for the SSL engine. # o FakeBasicAuth: # Translate the client X.509 into a Basic Authorisation. This means that # the standard Auth/DBMAuth methods can be used for access control. The # user name is the `one line' version of the client's X.509 certificate. # Note that no password is obtained from the user. Every entry in the user # file needs this password: `xxj31ZMTZzkVA'. # o ExportCertData: # This exports two additional environment variables: SSL_CLIENT_CERT and # SSL_SERVER_CERT. These contain the PEM-encoded certificates of the # server (always existing) and the client (only existing when client # authentication is used). This can be used to import the certificates # into CGI scripts. # o StdEnvVars: # This exports the standard SSL/TLS related `SSL_*' environment variables. # Per default this exportation is switched off for performance reasons, # because the extraction step is an expensive operation and is usually # useless for serving static content. So one usually enables the # exportation for CGI and SSI requests only. # o CompatEnvVars: # This exports obsolete environment variables for backward compatibility # to Apache-SSL 1.x, mod_ssl 2.0.x, Sioux 1.0 and Stronghold 2.x. Use this # to provide compatibility to existing CGI scripts. # o StrictRequire: # This denies access when "SSLRequireSSL" or "SSLRequire" applied even # under a "Satisfy any" situation, i.e. when it applies access is denied # and no other module can change it. # o OptRenegotiate: # This enables optimized SSL connection renegotiation handling when SSL # directives are used in per-directory context. #SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +ExportCertData +CompatEnvVars +StrictRequire SSLOptions +StdEnvVars SSLOptions +StdEnvVars # SSL Protocol Adjustments: # The safe and default but still SSL/TLS standard compliant shutdown # approach is that mod_ssl sends the close notify alert but doesn't wait for # the close notify alert from client. When you need a different shutdown # approach you can use one of the following variables: # o ssl-unclean-shutdown: # This forces an unclean shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. no # SSL close notify alert is send or allowed to received. This violates # the SSL/TLS standard but is needed for some brain-dead browsers. Use # this when you receive I/O errors because of the standard approach where # mod_ssl sends the close notify alert. # o ssl-accurate-shutdown: # This forces an accurate shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. a # SSL close notify alert is send and mod_ssl waits for the close notify # alert of the client. This is 100% SSL/TLS standard compliant, but in # practice often causes hanging connections with brain-dead browsers. Use # this only for browsers where you know that their SSL implementation # works correctly. # Notice: Most problems of broken clients are also related to the HTTP # keep-alive facility, so you usually additionally want to disable # keep-alive for those clients, too. Use variable "nokeepalive" for this. # Similarly, one has to force some clients to use HTTP/1.0 to workaround # their broken HTTP/1.1 implementation. Use variables "downgrade-1.0" and # "force-response-1.0" for this. SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \ nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \ downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 # Per-Server Logging: # The home of a custom SSL log file. Use this when you want a # compact non-error SSL logfile on a virtual host basis. CustomLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_request_log \ "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b" -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 18 13:23:59 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache-SSL In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BA@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BA@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <1084904638.2572.60.camel@unixws1> Is this the whole problem: Listen *:80 On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:37, aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > Hello my name is David , I am a current student at Dunwoody College. I am in great need of you help, Jack, Jeff Lehman and Jima reffered me here but my time is really short. I am going to try to post this same question on the mailing list if I get a chance. Ok , my senior project I was chosen to be the web-admin, I wanna have the best set up in regards that it involves mot just having pages show up but I want to implement php, sql, and all that other good stuff. To make this short, my effort has been toward hosting one site through SSL, for some reason it does not work. We have slackware 9 running Apache 1.3, so I read we needed to patch it and what not so I installed Apache 2. Supposedly this comes with mod_ssl install by default which this is not true, so I found out. I have ave generated my certificates under 1.3 and I want to use them with 2. I have compiled Apache --enable-all and I have complied it with just the --enable-ssl module. Ok, I run apachectl startssl and it runs fine but when I run a scan port :443 does not show up, I am really sorry and I hope you can find some time to help. I am attaching my config files. Hope to hear from you soon, and THANK YOU in advanced. > > > # > # Based upon the NCSA server configuration files originally by Rob McCool. > # > # This is the main Apache server configuration file. It contains the > # configuration directives that give the server its instructions. > # See for detailed information about > # the directives. > # > # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding > # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure > # consult the online docs. You have been warned. > # > # The configuration directives are grouped into three basic sections: > # 1. Directives that control the operation of the Apache server process as a > # whole (the 'global environment'). > # 2. Directives that define the parameters of the 'main' or 'default' server, > # which responds to requests that aren't handled by a virtual host. > # These directives also provide default values for the settings > # of all virtual hosts. > # 3. Settings for virtual hosts, which allow Web requests to be sent to > # different IP addresses or hostnames and have them handled by the > # same Apache server process. > # > # Configuration and logfile names: If the filenames you specify for many > # of the server's control files begin with "/" (or "drive:/" for Win32), the > # server will use that explicit path. If the filenames do *not* begin > # with "/", the value of ServerRoot is prepended -- so "logs/foo.log" > # with ServerRoot set to "/usr/local/apache2" will be interpreted by the > # server as "/usr/local/apache2/logs/foo.log". > # > > ### Section 1: Global Environment > # > # The directives in this section affect the overall operation of Apache, > # such as the number of concurrent requests it can handle or where it > # can find its configuration files. > # > > # > # ServerRoot: The top of the directory tree under which the server's > # configuration, error, and log files are kept. > # > # NOTE! If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network) > # mounted filesystem then please read the LockFile documentation (available > # at ); > # you will save yourself a lot of trouble. > # > # Do NOT add a slash at the end of the directory path. > # > ServerRoot "/usr/local/apache2" > > # > # The accept serialization lock file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. > # > > > #LockFile logs/accept.lock > > > > # > # ScoreBoardFile: File used to store internal server process information. > # If unspecified (the default), the scoreboard will be stored in an > # anonymous shared memory segment, and will be unavailable to third-party > # applications. > # If specified, ensure that no two invocations of Apache share the same > # scoreboard file. The scoreboard file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. > # > > > #ScoreBoardFile logs/apache_runtime_status > > > > > # > # PidFile: The file in which the server should record its process > # identification number when it starts. > # > > PidFile logs/httpd.pid > > > # > # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out. > # > Timeout 300 > > # > # KeepAlive: Whether or not to allow persistent connections (more than > # one request per connection). Set to "Off" to deactivate. > # > KeepAlive On > > # > # MaxKeepAliveRequests: The maximum number of requests to allow > # during a persistent connection. Set to 0 to allow an unlimited amount. > # We recommend you leave this number high, for maximum performance. > # > MaxKeepAliveRequests 100 > > # > # KeepAliveTimeout: Number of seconds to wait for the next request from the > # same client on the same connection. > # > KeepAliveTimeout 15 > > ## > ## Server-Pool Size Regulation (MPM specific) > ## > > # prefork MPM > # StartServers: number of server processes to start > # MinSpareServers: minimum number of server processes which are kept spare > # MaxSpareServers: maximum number of server processes which are kept spare > # MaxClients: maximum number of server processes allowed to start > # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves > > StartServers 5 > MinSpareServers 5 > MaxSpareServers 10 > MaxClients 150 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > > > # worker MPM > # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start > # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections > # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare > # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare > # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in each server process > # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves > > StartServers 2 > MaxClients 150 > MinSpareThreads 25 > MaxSpareThreads 75 > ThreadsPerChild 25 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > > > # perchild MPM > # NumServers: constant number of server processes > # StartThreads: initial number of worker threads in each server process > # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare > # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare > # MaxThreadsPerChild: maximum number of worker threads in each server process > # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of connections per server process > > NumServers 5 > StartThreads 5 > MinSpareThreads 5 > MaxSpareThreads 10 > MaxThreadsPerChild 20 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > > > # WinNT MPM > # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in the server process > # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves > > ThreadsPerChild 250 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > > > # BeOS MPM > # StartThreads: how many threads do we initially spawn? > # MaxClients: max number of threads we can have (1 thread == 1 client) > # MaxRequestsPerThread: maximum number of requests each thread will process > > StartThreads 10 > MaxClients 50 > MaxRequestsPerThread 10000 > > > # NetWare MPM > # ThreadStackSize: Stack size allocated for each worker thread > # StartThreads: Number of worker threads launched at server startup > # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads, to handle request spikes > # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads > # MaxThreads: Maximum number of worker threads alive at the same time > # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of requests a thread serves. It is > # recommended that the default value of 0 be set for this > # directive on NetWare. This will allow the thread to > # continue to service requests indefinitely. > > ThreadStackSize 65536 > StartThreads 250 > MinSpareThreads 25 > MaxSpareThreads 250 > MaxThreads 1000 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > MaxMemFree 100 > > > # OS/2 MPM > # StartServers: Number of server processes to maintain > # MinSpareThreads: Minimum number of idle threads per process, > # to handle request spikes > # MaxSpareThreads: Maximum number of idle threads per process > # MaxRequestsPerChild: Maximum number of connections per server process > > StartServers 2 > MinSpareThreads 5 > MaxSpareThreads 10 > MaxRequestsPerChild 0 > > > # > # Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or > # ports, instead of the default. See also the > # directive. > # > # Change this to Listen on specific IP addresses as shown below to > # prevent Apache from glomming onto all bound IP addresses (0.0.0.0) > # > #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 > > Listen *:80 > > # > # Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support > # > # To be able to use the functionality of a module which was built as a DSO you > # have to place corresponding `LoadModule' lines at this location so the > # directives contained in it are actually available _before_ they are used. > # Statically compiled modules (those listed by `httpd -l') do not need > # to be loaded here. > # > # Example: > # LoadModule foo_module modules/mod_foo.so > # > > # > # ExtendedStatus controls whether Apache will generate "full" status > # information (ExtendedStatus On) or just basic information (ExtendedStatus > # Off) when the "server-status" handler is called. The default is Off. > # > #ExtendedStatus On > > ### Section 2: 'Main' server configuration > # > # The directives in this section set up the values used by the 'main' > # server, which responds to any requests that aren't handled by a > # definition. These values also provide defaults for > # any containers you may define later in the file. > # > # All of these directives may appear inside containers, > # in which case these default settings will be overridden for the > # virtual host being defined. > # > > > > # > # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run > # httpd as root initially and it will switch. > # > # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. > # . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup". > # . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the > # suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user. > # NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET) > # when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000; > # don't use Group #-1 on these systems! > # > User nobody > > > > # > # ServerAdmin: Your address, where problems with the server should be > # e-mailed. This address appears on some server-generated pages, such > # as error documents. e.g. admin@your-domain.com > # > ServerAdmin you@example.com > > # > # ServerName gives the name and port that the server uses to identify itself. > # This can often be determined automatically, but we recommend you specify > # it explicitly to prevent problems during startup. > # > # If this is not set to valid DNS name for your host, server-generated > # redirections will not work. See also the UseCanonicalName directive. > # > # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. > # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make > # redirections work in a sensible way. > # > #ServerName www.example.com:80 > > ServerName localhost:80 > # > # UseCanonicalName: Determines how Apache constructs self-referencing > # URLs and the SERVER_NAME and SERVER_PORT variables. > # When set "Off", Apache will use the Hostname and Port supplied > # by the client. When set "On", Apache will use the value of the > # ServerName directive. > # > UseCanonicalName On > > # > # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your > # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but > # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. > # > DocumentRoot "/usr/local/apache2/htdocs" > > # > # Each directory to which Apache has access can be configured with respect > # to which services and features are allowed and/or disabled in that > # directory (and its subdirectories). > # > # First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of > # features. > # > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > > > # > # Note that from this point forward you must specifically allow > # particular features to be enabled - so if something's not working as > # you might expect, make sure that you have specifically enabled it > # below. > # > > # > # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. > # > > > # > # Possible values for the Options directive are "None", "All", > # or any combination of: > # Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch ExecCGI MultiViews > # > # Note that "MultiViews" must be named *explicitly* --- "Options All" > # doesn't give it to you. > # > # The Options directive is both complicated and important. Please see > # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#options > # for more information. > # > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > # > # AllowOverride controls what directives may be placed in .htaccess files. > # It can be "All", "None", or any combination of the keywords: > # Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit > # > AllowOverride None > > # > # Controls who can get stuff from this server. > # > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > # > # UserDir: The name of the directory that is appended onto a user's home > # directory if a ~user request is received. > # > UserDir public_html > > # > # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example > # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. > # > > AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes > Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec > > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > # > # DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory > # is requested. > # > # The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content- > # negotiated documents. The MultiViews Option can be used for the > # same purpose, but it is much slower. > # > DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.html.var > > # > # AccessFileName: The name of the file to look for in each directory > # for additional configuration directives. See also the AllowOverride > # directive. > # > AccessFileName .htaccess > > # > # The following lines prevent .htaccess and .htpasswd files from being > # viewed by Web clients. > # > > Order allow,deny > Deny from all > > > # > # TypesConfig describes where the mime.types file (or equivalent) is > # to be found. > # > TypesConfig conf/mime.types > > # > # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document > # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. > # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, "text/plain" is > # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications > # or images, you may want to use "application/octet-stream" instead to > # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are > # text. > # > DefaultType text/plain > > # > # The mod_mime_magic module allows the server to use various hints from the > # contents of the file itself to determine its type. The MIMEMagicFile > # directive tells the module where the hint definitions are located. > # > > MIMEMagicFile conf/magic > > > # > # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses > # e.g., www.apache.org (on) or 204.62.129.132 (off). > # The default is off because it'd be overall better for the net if people > # had to knowingly turn this feature on, since enabling it means that > # each client request will result in AT LEAST one lookup request to the > # nameserver. > # > HostnameLookups Off > > # > # EnableMMAP: Control whether memory-mapping is used to deliver > # files (assuming that the underlying OS supports it). > # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted > # filesystems. On some systems, turning it off (regardless of > # filesystem) can improve performance; for details, please see > # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablemmap > # > #EnableMMAP off > > # > # EnableSendfile: Control whether the sendfile kernel support is > # used to deliver files (assuming that the OS supports it). > # The default is on; turn this off if you serve from NFS-mounted > # filesystems. Please see > # http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablesendfile > # > #EnableSendfile off > > # > # ErrorLog: The location of the error log file. > # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a > # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be > # logged here. If you *do* define an error logfile for a > # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here. > # > ErrorLog logs/error_log > > # > # LogLevel: Control the number of messages logged to the error_log. > # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, > # alert, emerg. > # > LogLevel warn > > # > # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with > # a CustomLog directive (see below). > # > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common > LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer > LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent > > # You need to enable mod_logio.c to use %I and %O > #LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\" %I %O" combinedio > > # > # The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format). > # If you do not define any access logfiles within a > # container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do* > # define per- access logfiles, transactions will be > # logged therein and *not* in this file. > # > CustomLog logs/access_log common > > # > # If you would like to have agent and referer logfiles, uncomment the > # following directives. > # > #CustomLog logs/referer_log referer > #CustomLog logs/agent_log agent > > # > # If you prefer a single logfile with access, agent, and referer information > # (Combined Logfile Format) you can use the following directive. > # > #CustomLog logs/access_log combined > > # > # ServerTokens > # This directive configures what you return as the Server HTTP response > # Header. The default is 'Full' which sends information about the OS-Type > # and compiled in modules. > # Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod > # where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. > # > ServerTokens Full > > # > # Optionally add a line containing the server version and virtual host > # name to server-generated pages (internal error documents, FTP directory > # listings, mod_status and mod_info output etc., but not CGI generated > # documents or custom error documents). > # Set to "EMail" to also include a mailto: link to the ServerAdmin. > # Set to one of: On | Off | EMail > # > ServerSignature On > > # > # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The format is > # Alias fakename realname > # > # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will > # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in this > # example, only "/icons/". If the fakename is slash-terminated, then the > # realname must also be slash terminated, and if the fakename omits the > # trailing slash, the realname must also omit it. > # > # We include the /icons/ alias for FancyIndexed directory listings. If you > # do not use FancyIndexing, you may comment this out. > # > Alias /icons/ "/usr/local/apache2/icons/" > > > Options Indexes MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > # > # This should be changed to the ServerRoot/manual/. The alias provides > # the manual, even if you choose to move your DocumentRoot. You may comment > # this out if you do not care for the documentation. > # > AliasMatch ^/manual(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$ "/usr/local/apache2/manual$1" > > > Options Indexes > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > SetHandler type-map > > > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/de/ prefer-language=de > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/en/ prefer-language=en > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/fr/ prefer-language=fr > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ja/ prefer-language=ja > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ko/ prefer-language=ko > SetEnvIf Request_URI ^/manual/ru/ prefer-language=ru > RedirectMatch 301 ^/manual(?:/(de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru)){2,}(/.*)?$ /manual/$1$2 > > > # > # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. > # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that > # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and > # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client. > # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to > # Alias. > # > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/" > > > # > # Additional to mod_cgid.c settings, mod_cgid has Scriptsock > # for setting UNIX socket for communicating with cgid. > # > #Scriptsock logs/cgisock > > > # > # "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased > # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. > # > > AllowOverride None > Options None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > # > # Redirect allows you to tell clients about documents which used to exist in > # your server's namespace, but do not anymore. This allows you to tell the > # clients where to look for the relocated document. > # Example: > # Redirect permanent /foo http://www.example.com/bar > > # > # Directives controlling the display of server-generated directory listings. > # > > # > # IndexOptions: Controls the appearance of server-generated directory > # listings. > # > IndexOptions FancyIndexing VersionSort > > # > # AddIcon* directives tell the server which icon to show for different > # files or filename extensions. These are only displayed for > # FancyIndexed directories. > # > AddIconByEncoding (CMP,/icons/compressed.gif) x-compress x-gzip > > AddIconByType (TXT,/icons/text.gif) text/* > AddIconByType (IMG,/icons/image2.gif) image/* > AddIconByType (SND,/icons/sound2.gif) audio/* > AddIconByType (VID,/icons/movie.gif) video/* > > AddIcon /icons/binary.gif .bin .exe > AddIcon /icons/binhex.gif .hqx > AddIcon /icons/tar.gif .tar > AddIcon /icons/world2.gif .wrl .wrl.gz .vrml .vrm .iv > AddIcon /icons/compressed.gif .Z .z .tgz .gz .zip > AddIcon /icons/a.gif .ps .ai .eps > AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf > AddIcon /icons/text.gif .txt > AddIcon /icons/c.gif .c > AddIcon /icons/p.gif .pl .py > AddIcon /icons/f.gif .for > AddIcon /icons/dvi.gif .dvi > AddIcon /icons/uuencoded.gif .uu > AddIcon /icons/script.gif .conf .sh .shar .csh .ksh .tcl > AddIcon /icons/tex.gif .tex > AddIcon /icons/bomb.gif core > > AddIcon /icons/back.gif .. > AddIcon /icons/hand.right.gif README > AddIcon /icons/folder.gif ^^DIRECTORY^^ > AddIcon /icons/blank.gif ^^BLANKICON^^ > > # > # DefaultIcon is which icon to show for files which do not have an icon > # explicitly set. > # > DefaultIcon /icons/unknown.gif > > # > # AddDescription allows you to place a short description after a file in > # server-generated indexes. These are only displayed for FancyIndexed > # directories. > # Format: AddDescription "description" filename > # > #AddDescription "GZIP compressed document" .gz > #AddDescription "tar archive" .tar > #AddDescription "GZIP compressed tar archive" .tgz > > # > # ReadmeName is the name of the README file the server will look for by > # default, and append to directory listings. > # > # HeaderName is the name of a file which should be prepended to > # directory indexes. > ReadmeName README.html > HeaderName HEADER.html > > # > # IndexIgnore is a set of filenames which directory indexing should ignore > # and not include in the listing. Shell-style wildcarding is permitted. > # > IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t > > # > # DefaultLanguage and AddLanguage allows you to specify the language of > # a document. You can then use content negotiation to give a browser a > # file in a language the user can understand. > # > # Specify a default language. This means that all data > # going out without a specific language tag (see below) will > # be marked with this one. You probably do NOT want to set > # this unless you are sure it is correct for all cases. > # > # * It is generally better to not mark a page as > # * being a certain language than marking it with the wrong > # * language! > # > # DefaultLanguage nl > # > # Note 1: The suffix does not have to be the same as the language > # keyword --- those with documents in Polish (whose net-standard > # language code is pl) may wish to use "AddLanguage pl .po" to > # avoid the ambiguity with the common suffix for perl scripts. > # > # Note 2: The example entries below illustrate that in some cases > # the two character 'Language' abbreviation is not identical to > # the two character 'Country' code for its country, > # E.g. 'Danmark/dk' versus 'Danish/da'. > # > # Note 3: In the case of 'ltz' we violate the RFC by using a three char > # specifier. There is 'work in progress' to fix this and get > # the reference data for rfc1766 cleaned up. > # > # Catalan (ca) - Croatian (hr) - Czech (cs) - Danish (da) - Dutch (nl) > # English (en) - Esperanto (eo) - Estonian (et) - French (fr) - German (de) > # Greek-Modern (el) - Hebrew (he) - Italian (it) - Japanese (ja) > # Korean (ko) - Luxembourgeois* (ltz) - Norwegian Nynorsk (nn) > # Norwegian (no) - Polish (pl) - Portugese (pt) > # Brazilian Portuguese (pt-BR) - Russian (ru) - Swedish (sv) > # Simplified Chinese (zh-CN) - Spanish (es) - Traditional Chinese (zh-TW) > # > AddLanguage ca .ca > AddLanguage cs .cz .cs > AddLanguage da .dk > AddLanguage de .de > AddLanguage el .el > AddLanguage en .en > AddLanguage eo .eo > AddLanguage es .es > AddLanguage et .et > AddLanguage fr .fr > AddLanguage he .he > AddLanguage hr .hr > AddLanguage it .it > AddLanguage ja .ja > AddLanguage ko .ko > AddLanguage ltz .ltz > AddLanguage nl .nl > AddLanguage nn .nn > AddLanguage no .no > AddLanguage pl .po > AddLanguage pt .pt > AddLanguage pt-BR .pt-br > AddLanguage ru .ru > AddLanguage sv .sv > AddLanguage zh-CN .zh-cn > AddLanguage zh-TW .zh-tw > > # > # LanguagePriority allows you to give precedence to some languages > # in case of a tie during content negotiation. > # > # Just list the languages in decreasing order of preference. We have > # more or less alphabetized them here. You probably want to change this. > # > LanguagePriority en ca cs da de el eo es et fr he hr it ja ko ltz nl nn no pl pt pt-BR ru sv zh-CN zh-TW > > # > # ForceLanguagePriority allows you to serve a result page rather than > # MULTIPLE CHOICES (Prefer) [in case of a tie] or NOT ACCEPTABLE (Fallback) > # [in case no accepted languages matched the available variants] > # > ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback > > # > # Specify a default charset for all pages sent out. This is > # always a good idea and opens the door for future internationalisation > # of your web site, should you ever want it. Specifying it as > # a default does little harm; as the standard dictates that a page > # is in iso-8859-1 (latin1) unless specified otherwise i.e. you > # are merely stating the obvious. There are also some security > # reasons in browsers, related to javascript and URL parsing > # which encourage you to always set a default char set. > # > AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 > > # > # Commonly used filename extensions to character sets. You probably > # want to avoid clashes with the language extensions, unless you > # are good at carefully testing your setup after each change. > # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets for the > # official list of charset names and their respective RFCs. > # > AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .iso8859-1 .latin1 > AddCharset ISO-8859-2 .iso8859-2 .latin2 .cen > AddCharset ISO-8859-3 .iso8859-3 .latin3 > AddCharset ISO-8859-4 .iso8859-4 .latin4 > AddCharset ISO-8859-5 .iso8859-5 .latin5 .cyr .iso-ru > AddCharset ISO-8859-6 .iso8859-6 .latin6 .arb > AddCharset ISO-8859-7 .iso8859-7 .latin7 .grk > AddCharset ISO-8859-8 .iso8859-8 .latin8 .heb > AddCharset ISO-8859-9 .iso8859-9 .latin9 .trk > AddCharset ISO-2022-JP .iso2022-jp .jis > AddCharset ISO-2022-KR .iso2022-kr .kis > AddCharset ISO-2022-CN .iso2022-cn .cis > AddCharset Big5 .Big5 .big5 > # For russian, more than one charset is used (depends on client, mostly): > AddCharset WINDOWS-1251 .cp-1251 .win-1251 > AddCharset CP866 .cp866 > AddCharset KOI8-r .koi8-r .koi8-ru > AddCharset KOI8-ru .koi8-uk .ua > AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-2 .ucs2 > AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-4 .ucs4 > AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 > > # The set below does not map to a specific (iso) standard > # but works on a fairly wide range of browsers. Note that > # capitalization actually matters (it should not, but it > # does for some browsers). > # > # See http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets > # for a list of sorts. But browsers support few. > # > AddCharset GB2312 .gb2312 .gb > AddCharset utf-7 .utf7 > AddCharset utf-8 .utf8 > AddCharset big5 .big5 .b5 > AddCharset EUC-TW .euc-tw > AddCharset EUC-JP .euc-jp > AddCharset EUC-KR .euc-kr > AddCharset shift_jis .sjis > > # > # AddType allows you to add to or override the MIME configuration > # file mime.types for specific file types. > # > #AddType application/x-tar .tgz > # > # AddEncoding allows you to have certain browsers uncompress > # information on the fly. Note: Not all browsers support this. > # Despite the name similarity, the following Add* directives have nothing > # to do with the FancyIndexing customization directives above. > # > #AddEncoding x-compress .Z > #AddEncoding x-gzip .gz .tgz > # > # If the AddEncoding directives above are commented-out, then you > # probably should define those extensions to indicate media types: > # > AddType application/x-compress .Z > AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz > > # > # AddHandler allows you to map certain file extensions to "handlers": > # actions unrelated to filetype. These can be either built into the server > # or added with the Action directive (see below) > # > # To use CGI scripts outside of ScriptAliased directories: > # (You will also need to add "ExecCGI" to the "Options" directive.) > # > #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi > > # > # For files that include their own HTTP headers: > # > #AddHandler send-as-is asis > > # > # For server-parsed imagemap files: > # > #AddHandler imap-file map > > # > # For type maps (negotiated resources): > # (This is enabled by default to allow the Apache "It Worked" page > # to be distributed in multiple languages.) > # > AddHandler type-map var > > # > # Filters allow you to process content before it is sent to the client. > # > # To parse .shtml files for server-side includes (SSI): > # (You will also need to add "Includes" to the "Options" directive.) > # > #AddType text/html .shtml > #AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml > > # > # Action lets you define media types that will execute a script whenever > # a matching file is called. This eliminates the need for repeated URL > # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. > # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location > # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location > # > > # > # Customizable error responses come in three flavors: > # 1) plain text 2) local redirects 3) external redirects > # > # Some examples: > #ErrorDocument 500 "The server made a boo boo." > #ErrorDocument 404 /missing.html > #ErrorDocument 404 "/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl" > #ErrorDocument 402 http://www.example.com/subscription_info.html > # > > # > # Putting this all together, we can internationalize error responses. > # > # We use Alias to redirect any /error/HTTP_.html.var response to > # our collection of by-error message multi-language collections. We use > # includes to substitute the appropriate text. > # > # You can modify the messages' appearance without changing any of the > # default HTTP_.html.var files by adding the line: > # > # Alias /error/include/ "/your/include/path/" > # > # which allows you to create your own set of files by starting with the > # /usr/local/apache2/error/include/ files and copying them to /your/include/path/, > # even on a per-VirtualHost basis. The default include files will display > # your Apache version number and your ServerAdmin email address regardless > # of the setting of ServerSignature. > # > # The internationalized error documents require mod_alias, mod_include > # and mod_negotiation. To activate them, uncomment the following 30 lines. > > # Alias /error/ "/usr/local/apache2/error/" > # > # > # AllowOverride None > # Options IncludesNoExec > # AddOutputFilter Includes html > # AddHandler type-map var > # Order allow,deny > # Allow from all > # LanguagePriority en cs de es fr it nl sv pt-br ro > # ForceLanguagePriority Prefer Fallback > # > # > # ErrorDocument 400 /error/HTTP_BAD_REQUEST.html.var > # ErrorDocument 401 /error/HTTP_UNAUTHORIZED.html.var > # ErrorDocument 403 /error/HTTP_FORBIDDEN.html.var > # ErrorDocument 404 /error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var > # ErrorDocument 405 /error/HTTP_METHOD_NOT_ALLOWED.html.var > # ErrorDocument 408 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_TIME_OUT.html.var > # ErrorDocument 410 /error/HTTP_GONE.html.var > # ErrorDocument 411 /error/HTTP_LENGTH_REQUIRED.html.var > # ErrorDocument 412 /error/HTTP_PRECONDITION_FAILED.html.var > # ErrorDocument 413 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_ENTITY_TOO_LARGE.html.var > # ErrorDocument 414 /error/HTTP_REQUEST_URI_TOO_LARGE.html.var > # ErrorDocument 415 /error/HTTP_UNSUPPORTED_MEDIA_TYPE.html.var > # ErrorDocument 500 /error/HTTP_INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR.html.var > # ErrorDocument 501 /error/HTTP_NOT_IMPLEMENTED.html.var > # ErrorDocument 502 /error/HTTP_BAD_GATEWAY.html.var > # ErrorDocument 503 /error/HTTP_SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE.html.var > # ErrorDocument 506 /error/HTTP_VARIANT_ALSO_VARIES.html.var > > > # > # The following directives modify normal HTTP response behavior to > # handle known problems with browser implementations. > # > BrowserMatch "Mozilla/2" nokeepalive > BrowserMatch "MSIE 4\.0b2;" nokeepalive downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 > BrowserMatch "RealPlayer 4\.0" force-response-1.0 > BrowserMatch "Java/1\.0" force-response-1.0 > BrowserMatch "JDK/1\.0" force-response-1.0 > > # > # The following directive disables redirects on non-GET requests for > # a directory that does not include the trailing slash. This fixes a > # problem with Microsoft WebFolders which does not appropriately handle > # redirects for folders with DAV methods. > # Same deal with Apple's DAV filesystem and Gnome VFS support for DAV. > # > BrowserMatch "Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider" redirect-carefully > BrowserMatch "^WebDrive" redirect-carefully > BrowserMatch "^WebDAVFS/1.[012]" redirect-carefully > BrowserMatch "^gnome-vfs" redirect-carefully > > # > # Allow server status reports generated by mod_status, > # with the URL of http://servername/server-status > # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. > # > # > # SetHandler server-status > # Order deny,allow > # Deny from all > # Allow from www.root.com > # > > # > # Allow remote server configuration reports, with the URL of > # http://servername/server-info (requires that mod_info.c be loaded). > # Change the ".example.com" to match your domain to enable. > # > # > # SetHandler server-info > # Order deny,allow > # Deny from all > # Allow from .example.com > # > > > # > # Bring in additional module-specific configurations > # > > Include conf/ssl.conf > > > > ### Section 3: Virtual Hosts > # > # VirtualHost: If you want to maintain multiple domains/hostnames on your > # machine you can setup VirtualHost containers for them. Most configurations > # use only name-based virtual hosts so the server doesn't need to worry about > # IP addresses. This is indicated by the asterisks in the directives below. > # > # Please see the documentation at > # > # for further details before you try to setup virtual hosts. > # > # You may use the command line option '-S' to verify your virtual host > # configuration. > > # > # Use name-based virtual hosting. > # > NameVirtualHost * > > # > # VirtualHost example: > # Almost any Apache directive may go into a VirtualHost container. > # The first VirtualHost section is used for requests without a known > # server name. > # > # > # ServerAdmin webmaster@dummy-host.example.com > # DocumentRoot /www/docs/dummy-host.example.com > # ServerName dummy-host.example.com > # ErrorLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-error_log > # CustomLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-access_log common > > # www.lmcpages.com > > ServerAdmin webmasta@lmcpages.com > DocumentRoot /home/lisa/public_html > ServerName www.lmcpages.com > ErrorLog /home/lisa/lmc_error.log > CustomLog /home/lisa/custom_access.log common > > > # www.root.com > > ServerAdmin webmasta@root.com > DocumentRoot /home/ftp/public_html > ServerName www.root.com > ErrorLog /home/ftp/root_error.log > CustomLog /home/ftp/root_access.log common > > > # www.galactica.com > > ServerAdmin webmasta@galactica.com > DocumentRoot /home/tom/public_html > ServerName www.galactica.com > ErrorLog /home/tom/gal_error.log > CustomLog /home/tom/gal_access.log common > > > #SSLMutex sem > #SSLRandomSeed startup builtin > #SSLSessionCache none > > #ErrorLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl.log > #LogLevel info > > > > SSL.CONF > > > > # > # This is the Apache server configuration file providing SSL support. > # It contains the configuration directives to instruct the server how to > # serve pages over an https connection. For detailing information about these > # directives see > # > # Do NOT simply read the instructions in here without understanding > # what they do. They're here only as hints or reminders. If you are unsure > # consult the online docs. You have been warned. > # > > # > # Pseudo Random Number Generator (PRNG): > # Configure one or more sources to seed the PRNG of the SSL library. > # The seed data should be of good random quality. > # WARNING! On some platforms /dev/random blocks if not enough entropy > # is available. This means you then cannot use the /dev/random device > # because it would lead to very long connection times (as long as > # it requires to make more entropy available). But usually those > # platforms additionally provide a /dev/urandom device which doesn't > # block. So, if available, use this one instead. Read the mod_ssl User > # Manual for more details. > # > # Note: This must come before the container to support > # starting without SSL on platforms with no /dev/random equivalent > # but a statically compiled-in mod_ssl. > # > SSLRandomSeed startup builtin > SSLRandomSeed connect builtin > #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/random 512 > #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/urandom 512 > #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/random 512 > #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/urandom 512 > > > > # > # When we also provide SSL we have to listen to the > # standard HTTP port (see above) and to the HTTPS port > # > # Note: Configurations that use IPv6 but not IPv4-mapped addresses need two > # Listen directives: "Listen [::]:443" and "Listen 0.0.0.0:443" > # > Listen :443 > > ## > ## SSL Global Context > ## > ## All SSL configuration in this context applies both to > ## the main server and all SSL-enabled virtual hosts. > ## > > # > # Some MIME-types for downloading Certificates and CRLs > # > AddType application/x-x509-ca-cert .crt > AddType application/x-pkcs7-crl .crl > > # Pass Phrase Dialog: > # Configure the pass phrase gathering process. > # The filtering dialog program (`builtin' is a internal > # terminal dialog) has to provide the pass phrase on stdout. > SSLPassPhraseDialog builtin > > # Inter-Process Session Cache: > # Configure the SSL Session Cache: First the mechanism > # to use and second the expiring timeout (in seconds). > #SSLSessionCache none > #SSLSessionCache shmht:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) > #SSLSessionCache shmcb:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache(512000) > SSLSessionCache dbm:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_scache > SSLSessionCacheTimeout 300 > > # Semaphore: > # Configure the path to the mutual exclusion semaphore the > # SSL engine uses internally for inter-process synchronization. > SSLMutex file:/usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_mutex > > ## > ## SSL Virtual Host Context > ## > > > > # General setup for the virtual host > DocumentRoot "/home/tom/public_html" > ServerName www.galactica.com:443 > ServerAdmin sysadmin@galactica.com > ErrorLog /home/tom/ssl_error_log > TransferLog /home/tom/ssl_access_log > > # SSL Engine Switch: > # Enable/Disable SSL for this virtual host. > SSLEngine on > > # SSL Cipher Suite: > # List the ciphers that the client is permitted to negotiate. > # See the mod_ssl documentation for a complete list. > SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP:+eNULL > > # Server Certificate: > # Point SSLCertificateFile at a PEM encoded certificate. If > # the certificate is encrypted, then you will be prompted for a > # pass phrase. Note that a kill -HUP will prompt again. Keep > # in mind that if you have both an RSA and a DSA certificate you > # can configure both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA > # ciphers, etc.) > SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.crt > #SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/server-dsa.crt > > # Server Private Key: > # If the key is not combined with the certificate, use this > # directive to point at the key file. Keep in mind that if > # you've both a RSA and a DSA private key you can configure > # both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA ciphers, etc.) > SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/www.galactica.com.key > #SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.key/server-dsa.key > > # Server Certificate Chain: > # Point SSLCertificateChainFile at a file containing the > # concatenation of PEM encoded CA certificates which form the > # certificate chain for the server certificate. Alternatively > # the referenced file can be the same as SSLCertificateFile > # when the CA certificates are directly appended to the server > # certificate for convinience. > #SSLCertificateChainFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca.crt > > # Certificate Authority (CA): > # Set the CA certificate verification path where to find CA > # certificates for client authentication or alternatively one > # huge file containing all of them (file must be PEM encoded) > # Note: Inside SSLCACertificatePath you need hash symlinks > # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided > # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. > #SSLCACertificatePath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt > #SSLCACertificateFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crt/ca-bundle.crt > > # Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL): > # Set the CA revocation path where to find CA CRLs for client > # authentication or alternatively one huge file containing all > # of them (file must be PEM encoded) > # Note: Inside SSLCARevocationPath you need hash symlinks > # to point to the certificate files. Use the provided > # Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes. > #SSLCARevocationPath /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl > #SSLCARevocationFile /usr/local/apache2/conf/ssl.crl/ca-bundle.crl > > # Client Authentication (Type): > # Client certificate verification type and depth. Types are > # none, optional, require and optional_no_ca. Depth is a > # number which specifies how deeply to verify the certificate > # issuer chain before deciding the certificate is not valid. > #SSLVerifyClient require > #SSLVerifyDepth 10 > > # Access Control: > # With SSLRequire you can do per-directory access control based > # on arbitrary complex boolean expressions containing server > # variable checks and other lookup directives. The syntax is a > # mixture between C and Perl. See the mod_ssl documentation > # for more details. > # > #SSLRequire ( %{SSL_CIPHER} !~ m/^(EXP|NULL)/ \ > # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_O} eq "Snake Oil, Ltd." \ > # and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_OU} in {"Staff", "CA", "Dev"} \ > # and %{TIME_WDAY} >= 1 and %{TIME_WDAY} <= 5 \ > # and %{TIME_HOUR} >= 8 and %{TIME_HOUR} <= 20 ) \ > # or %{REMOTE_ADDR} =~ m/^192\.76\.162\.[0-9]+$/ > # > > # SSL Engine Options: > # Set various options for the SSL engine. > # o FakeBasicAuth: > # Translate the client X.509 into a Basic Authorisation. This means that > # the standard Auth/DBMAuth methods can be used for access control. The > # user name is the `one line' version of the client's X.509 certificate. > # Note that no password is obtained from the user. Every entry in the user > # file needs this password: `xxj31ZMTZzkVA'. > # o ExportCertData: > # This exports two additional environment variables: SSL_CLIENT_CERT and > # SSL_SERVER_CERT. These contain the PEM-encoded certificates of the > # server (always existing) and the client (only existing when client > # authentication is used). This can be used to import the certificates > # into CGI scripts. > # o StdEnvVars: > # This exports the standard SSL/TLS related `SSL_*' environment variables. > # Per default this exportation is switched off for performance reasons, > # because the extraction step is an expensive operation and is usually > # useless for serving static content. So one usually enables the > # exportation for CGI and SSI requests only. > # o CompatEnvVars: > # This exports obsolete environment variables for backward compatibility > # to Apache-SSL 1.x, mod_ssl 2.0.x, Sioux 1.0 and Stronghold 2.x. Use this > # to provide compatibility to existing CGI scripts. > # o StrictRequire: > # This denies access when "SSLRequireSSL" or "SSLRequire" applied even > # under a "Satisfy any" situation, i.e. when it applies access is denied > # and no other module can change it. > # o OptRenegotiate: > # This enables optimized SSL connection renegotiation handling when SSL > # directives are used in per-directory context. > #SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +ExportCertData +CompatEnvVars +StrictRequire > > SSLOptions +StdEnvVars > > > SSLOptions +StdEnvVars > > > # SSL Protocol Adjustments: > # The safe and default but still SSL/TLS standard compliant shutdown > # approach is that mod_ssl sends the close notify alert but doesn't wait for > # the close notify alert from client. When you need a different shutdown > # approach you can use one of the following variables: > # o ssl-unclean-shutdown: > # This forces an unclean shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. no > # SSL close notify alert is send or allowed to received. This violates > # the SSL/TLS standard but is needed for some brain-dead browsers. Use > # this when you receive I/O errors because of the standard approach where > # mod_ssl sends the close notify alert. > # o ssl-accurate-shutdown: > # This forces an accurate shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. a > # SSL close notify alert is send and mod_ssl waits for the close notify > # alert of the client. This is 100% SSL/TLS standard compliant, but in > # practice often causes hanging connections with brain-dead browsers. Use > # this only for browsers where you know that their SSL implementation > # works correctly. > # Notice: Most problems of broken clients are also related to the HTTP > # keep-alive facility, so you usually additionally want to disable > # keep-alive for those clients, too. Use variable "nokeepalive" for this. > # Similarly, one has to force some clients to use HTTP/1.0 to workaround > # their broken HTTP/1.1 implementation. Use variables "downgrade-1.0" and > # "force-response-1.0" for this. > SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \ > nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \ > downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 > > # Per-Server Logging: > # The home of a custom SSL log file. Use this when you want a > # compact non-error SSL logfile on a virtual host basis. > CustomLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/ssl_request_log \ > "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Tue May 18 14:03:03 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD6B5F69@owa.compellent.com> I wonder if it would make any sense, or save power maybe to use a PCMCIA flash card for logs and stuff. They are pretty cheap these days and the industrial grade ones have 1million write cycles. This way the hd can spin down even when those things keep going. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Scot Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:07 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes goes > solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a little > chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk activity. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making the > HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too suspect > - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... Are you using ext3 filesystem? I had the same problem on a Thinkpad. Didn't see any processes causing the disk activity. Turned out it was ext3 filesystem which syncs to disk about every 5 seconds. Short of editing source I didn't find this to be user tunable. Needless to say this kills your battery as the hard disk never gets to spin down. I went back to using ext2. I also run noflushd and stop all unnecessary services that might log to disk often (atd, cron, sendmail) when on battery. Battery lasts longer and disk is much quieter even on AC power. The down side is if I ever have a lockup I have to wait for fsck to run on the next boot. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 18 14:17:47 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache-SSL - Apologies In-Reply-To: <1084904638.2572.60.camel@unixws1> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BA@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> <1084904638.2572.60.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1084907866.2572.95.camel@unixws1> Sorry about the huge amount of quoted text everyone - I thought there was snippage when there wasn't. Woke up stupid today, Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue May 18 15:04:00 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD6B5F69@owa.compellent.com>; from Ben.Neigebauer@compellent.com on Tue, May 18, 2004 at 02:03:03PM -0500 References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD6B5F69@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040518150400.A28610@thinkunix.net> Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I wonder if it would make any sense, or save power maybe to use a PCMCIA > flash card for logs and stuff. They are pretty cheap these days and the > industrial grade ones have 1million write cycles. This way the hd can > spin down even when those things keep going. Ideally, put lots of RAM in a system and run the OS from the flash card. no moving parts to go bad. Would probably make the battery last longer too. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue May 18 18:47:21 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AAA089.3060402@visi.com> Is the hard drive activity happen "only" when you have X running? Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes > goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a > little chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk > activity. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making > the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too > suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... > thanks > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue May 18 21:40:27 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache-SSL In-Reply-To: <1084904638.2572.60.camel@unixws1> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BA@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> <1084904638.2572.60.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <2907.68.112.123.230.1084934427.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Adam ingeniously wote: > Is this the whole problem: > Listen *:80 Brian appends: Also, make sure your statements specify a port number. Even though you think the default port is 80 and it should just work, it doesn't. I'm an SSL newbie, but when I got Apache+SSL working I wrote a sloppy HOWTO. There really wasn't a good HOWTO out there, so I slapped together some notes: http://www.lanteknetworksolutions.com/ssl-howto.php You're probably beyond that, but I threw in some basic troubleshooting. If anyone wants to clean up and expand my HOWTO, go for it. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 19 07:06:29 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <40AAA089.3060402@visi.com> References: <40AAA089.3060402@visi.com> Message-ID: > Is the hard drive activity happen "only" when you have X running? No sure - I had to send the laptop off to the end user - so I can't check now. Why do you ask? > > Sam. > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> >> Hi- >> >> I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard >> drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes >> goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a >> little chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk >> activity. >> >> Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making >> the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too >> suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... >> thanks >> johnnyf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 08:14:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution on Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <9C41F8A8-A8DE-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> References: <40A9794A.4020503@visi.com> <9C41F8A8-A8DE-11D8-A6AB-0003938E6950@ce.anoka.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <40AB5D9A.4060501@visi.com> I know Ximian does not support Fedora Core 1 but I was _able_ to install it from the Ximian website a few weeks ago. I'm using the same CD's I used a few weeks ago. I have Evolution running from the RPM off the CD now. It's just odd that it would work several times a few weeks ago and not at all now. Ximian/Novell must have decided to limit what distributions they will let it be installed on to limit the support path. Is there any way to fool Fedora in to thinking it's Red Hat 9? anyone? Sam. Mike Tuller wrote: > Not having Gnome installed shouldn't make it so that the installer > doesn't recognize the OS version. Evolution should be installed by > default when you install Fedora. Are you trying to install Evolution > from Ximian's site? If so, I don't think Ximian supports Fedora. That > would explain the error. > > Check to make sure that you don't already have Evolution installed on > your system. You can do this by running rpm -q evolution in your > terminal. It should return something like evolution-1.4.5-7. If it > does not, install the rpm from the installer CDs. > > > Mike > > > On May 17, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> I had installed Ximian Evolution on my Fedora Core 1 machine a few >> weeks ago. Due to a hard disk failure I need to install Fedora Core >> 1 again. The problem is the Evolution installer no longer recognizes >> my OS version when it detects the Distribution. >> >> I didn't install any of the Gnome peaces that would get installed >> even if Gnome isn't selected. Could this have caused the problem? >> >> Sam. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 08:30:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: References: <40AAA089.3060402@visi.com> Message-ID: <40AB618A.50909@visi.com> I posted on the same thing happening (hard disk light flashing every second or 2) but it only happened while X was running. I reinstalled Fedora and it's not doing it any more. I'm not sure what I did to cause it but it did happen. Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Is the hard drive activity happen "only" when you have X running? > > > No sure - I had to send the laptop off to the end user - so I can't > check now. Why do you ask? > >> >> Sam. >> >> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi- >>> >>> I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of >>> hard drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly >>> (sometimes goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm >>> and there's a little chart for disk activity - every second or so >>> it'll chart disk activity. >>> >>> Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is >>> making the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see >>> anything too suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services >>> using chkconfig.... >>> thanks >>> johnnyf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 08:44:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, X windows, and Mouse Message-ID: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> After installing Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700 I'm getting an odd mouse thing. When the system boots it starts the "USB" mouse and keyboard. I have a PS/2 mouse plugged in to the machine (track points are nice but...) Three times now I've run "startx" (after restarts or halts) and the mouse wont run. I "ctrl+alt+del & alt+l" to exit X windows. I run "gpm" (it tells me it's already running) then "startx" and the mouse works. Is this something I should report to Fedora? I'm thinking of updating the BIOS of the machine if a USB bug exists. I still have to check the Compaq/HP site. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 19 08:03:23 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, X windows, and Mouse In-Reply-To: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> References: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:44:24 -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > After installing Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700 I'm getting an > odd mouse thing. > > When the system boots it starts the "USB" mouse and keyboard. I have a > PS/2 mouse plugged in to the machine (track points are nice but...) > Three times now I've run "startx" (after restarts or halts) and the > mouse wont run. Are you saying the PS/2 mouse work after boot and then not work after restarts? What's in your XF86Config for your pointer device? should be something like: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection > I "ctrl+alt+del & alt+l" to exit X windows. > I run "gpm" (it tells me it's already running) then "startx" and the > mouse works. > > Is this something I should report to Fedora? > > I'm thinking of updating the BIOS of the machine if a USB bug exists. I > still have to check the > Compaq/HP site. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Wed May 19 08:34:50 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam MacDonald Sent: 5/19/2004 7:30:50 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity > I posted on the same thing happening (hard disk light flashing every > second or 2) but it only happened while X was running. > I reinstalled Fedora and it's not doing it any more. I'm not sure what > I did to cause it but it did happen. > > Sam. When you re-installed, did you change the size of your swap partition? I ran into an issue a while back (i think i was using RH9 at the time) where my swap partition would fill up and the drive would just grind and grind. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed May 19 08:45:22 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <40AB618A.50909@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Wed, May 19, 2004 at 07:30:50AM -0600 References: <40AAA089.3060402@visi.com> <40AB618A.50909@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040519084521.A16883@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I posted on the same thing happening (hard disk light flashing every > second or 2) but it only happened while X was running. > I reinstalled Fedora and it's not doing it any more. I'm not sure what > I did to cause it but it did happen. perhaps some X app trying to run and logging an error? try checking $HOME/.xsession-errors or /var/log/XFree86.log (these are from a Debian system so they might be different on Fedora). Another thing would be try startx manually and redirect the log: startx > $HOME/xlog 2>&1 & -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 09:26:06 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, X windows, and Mouse In-Reply-To: References: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> Message-ID: <1084976765.2027.1.camel@ancalagon> This is what is in the XF86Config it's what the install put in it. I haven't changed anything. Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection Sam. On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 08:03, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:44:24 -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > After installing Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700 I'm getting an > > odd mouse thing. > > > > When the system boots it starts the "USB" mouse and keyboard. I have a > > PS/2 mouse plugged in to the machine (track points are nice but...) > > Three times now I've run "startx" (after restarts or halts) and the > > mouse wont run. > > Are you saying the PS/2 mouse work after boot and then not work after > restarts? > > What's in your XF86Config for your pointer device? should be something > like: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > > > > I "ctrl+alt+del & alt+l" to exit X windows. > > I run "gpm" (it tells me it's already running) then "startx" and the > > mouse works. > > > > Is this something I should report to Fedora? > > > > I'm thinking of updating the BIOS of the machine if a USB bug exists. I > > still have to check the > > Compaq/HP site. > > > > Sam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 10:30:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, X windows, and Mouse In-Reply-To: References: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> Message-ID: <40AB7D8E.4000003@visi.com> Sequence of events Turn machine on login startx mouse doesn't work, exit X run gpm (gpm already running) startx mouse works OR restart machine login startx mouse doesn't work, exit X run gpm (gpm already running) startx mouse works I'm going to turn off "gpm" and restart the machine to see if that makes a difference. Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:44:24 -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> After installing Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700 I'm getting >> an odd mouse thing. >> >> When the system boots it starts the "USB" mouse and keyboard. I have >> a PS/2 mouse plugged in to the machine (track points are nice >> but...) Three times now I've run "startx" (after restarts or halts) >> and the mouse wont run. > > > Are you saying the PS/2 mouse work after boot and then not work after > restarts? > > What's in your XF86Config for your pointer device? should be > something like: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > > >> I "ctrl+alt+del & alt+l" to exit X windows. >> I run "gpm" (it tells me it's already running) then "startx" and the >> mouse works. >> >> Is this something I should report to Fedora? >> >> I'm thinking of updating the BIOS of the machine if a USB bug exists. >> I still have to check the >> Compaq/HP site. >> >> Sam. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 10:43:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, X windows, and Mouse In-Reply-To: References: <40AB64B8.5080109@visi.com> Message-ID: <40AB8093.6000403@visi.com> Turning off GPM as a service seams to have fixed the problem. I remember when the updates from Red Hat Network ran that GPM was one of the things updated. I would guess it's a problem with the this laptop rather then with the GPM code. I really don't need GPM much I don't use the mouse in the console. Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:44:24 -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> After installing Fedora Core 1 on a Compaq Armada M700 I'm getting >> an odd mouse thing. >> >> When the system boots it starts the "USB" mouse and keyboard. I have >> a PS/2 mouse plugged in to the machine (track points are nice >> but...) Three times now I've run "startx" (after restarts or halts) >> and the mouse wont run. > > > Are you saying the PS/2 mouse work after boot and then not work after > restarts? > > What's in your XF86Config for your pointer device? should be > something like: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > > >> I "ctrl+alt+del & alt+l" to exit X windows. >> I run "gpm" (it tells me it's already running) then "startx" and the >> mouse works. >> >> Is this something I should report to Fedora? >> >> I'm thinking of updating the BIOS of the machine if a USB bug exists. >> I still have to check the >> Compaq/HP site. >> >> Sam. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 11:05:08 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Armada M700 Fun Message-ID: <40AB85B4.1010905@visi.com> Fedora Core 1 I have a daemon running called "irqbalance" it supports "distributed interrupts across the cpus of multiprocessor system for load balancing". I have another daemon running called "microcode_ctl" it's "a script that applies cpu microcode". The machine is a Compaq Armada M700, PIII 450 laptop with only 1 processor. I'm fairly sure I don't need the "irqbalance" deamon running sense I only have 1 cpu. But Is the "microcode_ctl" deamon telling the machine to act as if it has 2 cpu's and thus "irqbalance" starts? On another related note. I seam to remember installing windows 2000 server, single processor Compaq Proliant server and having Task Manager show 2 processors. I'm guessing the microcode script does about the same thing. causing the irqbalance to start. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed May 19 11:29:55 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Armada M700 Fun In-Reply-To: <40AB85B4.1010905@visi.com> Message-ID: | On another related note. | I seam to remember installing windows 2000 server, single processor | Compaq Proliant server and having Task Manager | show 2 processors. I'm guessing the microcode script does about the | same thing. causing the irqbalance | to start. That hyperthreading. You need a reasonable recent (1-1.5 years old?) processor with a fast (800Mhz I think) frontside bus to use Hyperthreading. Your operating system also has to support Hyperthreading. (Win2k Sp4, WinXP SP1, and Windows 2003 support it, not sure on Linux) Hyperthreading lets your CPU do two operations at once, or whatever. SMP on a single processor, but only 50-80% of the proformance of two real processors. Fun part is...when you have two real Hyperthreading processors...Windows shows 4 processors. Have 4 Hyperthreading processors? You have 8 processors. IIRC, at 8 or 16 processors you can't use Hyperthreading anymore as the load on the bus results in a decrease in performance. Not something you have to worry about on your laptop though, not new enough to do hyperthreading. :) Andrew S. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed May 19 12:26:51 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD6B5FA2@owa.compellent.com> I'd be interesting to see if what the power consumption would be for disk spin up/spin down/savings compared to using flash. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:39 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity Ben Neigebauer wrote: > I wonder if it would make any sense, or save power maybe to use a > PCMCIA flash card for logs and stuff. They are pretty cheap these days > and the industrial grade ones have 1million write cycles. This way the > hd can spin down even when those things keep going. IIRC, writing to flash cards is a pretty expensive operation WRT power consumption, relatively speaking. I don't know how it compares to harddrives. I know that when I try to erase a bunch of pictures on my camera, the battery gets drained rather quickly. For mass-erase operations, I usually plug in the AC adaptor if it's available. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed May 19 12:06:43 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405191706.i4JH6hk04149@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: SCSI cables 12m differential SCSI cable SUN part# 595-2920-01, option# X979A HD 68 pin male-male connectors tested and works with a SCSI-2 device NEW condition, have several, $25/eaSeller Email address: blackcrow77 at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Wed May 19 12:51:14 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL-Config Apache. Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BC@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> First I'd like to thank Brian and all the other people for replying to my original post, I also like to thank Jack for his support and PATIENCE with me. This here is a total newbie question, which I am. My Apache2 was configured with SSL support but it is not loading the mod_ssl module. I've tried to use a command that should load any additional modules, no luck. How would I be able to load this module (mod_ssl) into Apache2, running Slackware9? I have really been reading into this alot, what I have figured out is that I can load mod_ssl dynamically with >LoadModule mod_ssl.c, but what good would this serve me if all I have to do is enable it upon configuration? I am in need of some good help... I am not looking for an easy way out either. Thank ya'll ~Perr() _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed May 19 13:05:20 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Message-ID: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. Thanks. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed May 19 13:23:07 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL-Config Apache. In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BC@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BC@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <1084990986.5216.82.camel@unixws1> Unless you're tied to Apache 2 for some reason, here is what I would recommend, for simplicity: Download the latest Apache (1.3.31) Download the latest mod_ssl that matches the Apache version modssl.org says current is mod_ssl 2.8.17 for Apache 1.3.31 Untar the apache distribution Untar the mod_ssl distribution cd mod_ssl-x.x.x ./configure --with-apache=../apache-1.3.31 cd ../apache-1.3.31 ./configure --enable-module=ssl (and any other options you want) make (optionionally "make certificate" for a dummy cert) make install The example httpd.conf that gets installed is ready to go for SSL, you just need to define a virtual host and install the certificates. On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:51, aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > First I'd like to thank Brian and all the other people for replying to my original post, I also like to thank Jack for his support and PATIENCE with me. This here is a total newbie question, which I am. My Apache2 was configured with SSL support but it is not loading the mod_ssl module. I've tried to use a command that should load any additional modules, no luck. How would I be able to load this module (mod_ssl) into Apache2, running Slackware9? I have really been reading into this alot, what I have figured out is that I can load mod_ssl dynamically with >LoadModule mod_ssl.c, but what good would this serve me if all I have to do is enable it upon configuration? I am in need of some good help... > I am not looking for an easy way out either. > > > Thank ya'll > ~Perr() > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 19 13:32:31 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I have a dozen. contact me off list. On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman wrote: > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed May 19 13:32:53 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I have a dozen - for free.... On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman wrote: > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From christopher at 7penguins.com Wed May 19 14:29:21 2004 From: christopher at 7penguins.com (Christopher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: Where are you located? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of James Kaufman Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:05 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. Thanks. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 15:32:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <40ABC472.9070306@visi.com> I have a 17 inch compaq monitor she can have. Sam. James Kaufman wrote: >Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a >college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > >Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed May 19 15:33:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <40ABC492.3040205@visi.com> Beat me to the punch! :) Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > I have a dozen - for free.... > > On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman > wrote: > >> Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate >> to a >> college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. >> >> Thanks. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Wed May 19 17:22:32 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I don't have any...but there's a place in Anoka (just past Anoka-Hennepin Technical College, or AHTC) that sells them for $35-100 depending on size...take what you can get, but can test there to verify not DOA... Earth First Computer Recycling/Berg Electronic Recovery (2 companies, 1 building) Big white building next one N on Hwy. 10 from the tech. Keith -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of James Kaufman Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:05 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. Thanks. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Wed May 19 21:46:25 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL-Apache (Adam M) Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BD@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> In atempt to configure Apache--with--SSL I get this error message.... make ====> src make[1] : Entering directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx make[2] : Entering directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx/src <=== (why this) make[2] : *** No rule to make target "all". Stop. make[2] : Leaving directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx/sr...? make[1] : *** [build-std] Error 2 make[1] : Leaving directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx make: build Error 2 response to: Unless you're tied to Apache 2 for some reason, here is what I would recommend, for simplicity: Download the latest Apache (1.3.31) Download the latest mod_ssl that matches the Apache version modssl.org says current is mod_ssl 2.8.17 for Apache 1.3.31 Untar the apache distribution Untar the mod_ssl distribution cd mod_ssl-x.x.x ./configure --with-apache=../apache-1.3.31 cd ../apache-1.3.31 ./configure --enable-module=ssl (and any other options you want) make (optionionally "make certificate" for a dummy cert) make install The example httpd.conf that gets installed is ready to go for SSL, you just need to define a virtual host and install the certificates. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed May 19 22:11:05 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL-Apache (Adam M) In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BD@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BD@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040519220508.M98777@unix18.sihope.com> I just downloaded 1.3.31 and the latest mod-ssl and it worked fine. But this was on a FreeBSD box, not Linux... Can you do this: Blow away the untar'd apache and mod-ssl directories Untar them again (so we have a clean, untainted copy...) Run "script" so you can keep an exact log of everything (file "typescript" will be created in your current directory) Then do these: cd mod_ssl-2.8.17-1.3.31 ./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.31 cd ../apache_1.3.31 ./configure --enable-module=ssl make Don't enable any other Apache thingies or anything else - just do those exact commands. Then type "exit" to close the typescript session. E-mail me the script file off-list. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 May 2004 aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > In atempt to configure Apache--with--SSL I get this error message.... > > make > ====> src > make[1] : Entering directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx > make[2] : Entering directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx/src <=== (why this) > make[2] : *** No rule to make target "all". Stop. > make[2] : Leaving directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx/sr...? > make[1] : *** [build-std] Error 2 > make[1] : Leaving directory /usr/local/src/apache_1xxx > make: build Error 2 > > response to: > > Unless you're tied to Apache 2 for some reason, here is what I would > recommend, for simplicity: > > Download the latest Apache (1.3.31) > Download the latest mod_ssl that matches the Apache version > > modssl.org says current is mod_ssl 2.8.17 for Apache 1.3.31 > > Untar the apache distribution > Untar the mod_ssl distribution > cd mod_ssl-x.x.x > ./configure --with-apache=../apache-1.3.31 > cd ../apache-1.3.31 > ./configure --enable-module=ssl (and any other options you want) > make > (optionionally "make certificate" for a dummy cert) > make install > > The example httpd.conf that gets installed is ready to go for SSL, you > just need to define a virtual host and install the certificates. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed May 19 22:48:27 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <40AC2A8B.6080008@comcast.net> I've got a 17 inch unit with a questionable lifetime. Sometimes when you turn it on the image will be "shifted" down and you have to rap on the monitor to get it to "jump" back up into place. I'm not sure how much longer it will last, but it works for now. $15? James Kaufman wrote: > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > Thanks. > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed May 19 22:49:05 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3890.68.112.123.230.1085024945.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I've been to several VMware presentations in the last couple months, and I must say that these folks are awesome. VMware produces a killer product, and the sales folk know how to present it. Belive me, you WANT to go this presentation! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ozark72949 at myrealbox.com Wed May 19 23:31:30 2004 From: ozark72949 at myrealbox.com (Allan F) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AC34A2.9040007@myrealbox.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have fedroa core1 on a dell latitude and have noticed a lot of hard > drive activity. The hard drive LED flickers constantly (sometimes > goes solid on for a second or two). I install gkrellm and there's a > little chart for disk activity - every second or so it'll chart disk > activity. By any chance are you using "ext3" filesystem. The "ext3" filesystem is a bad choice for a notebook it does disk access about every 30 seconds or so. I use "reiserfs" on my notebooks for 3+ years without a problem. > > Is there any tools or commands I can use to see what process is making > the HD grind ? I looked through a ps -ef and didn't see anything too > suspect - I also have "turned off" uneeded services using chkconfig.... > thanks > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Wed May 19 23:45:29 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VM-WARE Vist.....@Brian Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BE@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I agree its awsome, but are they great? Do we get some software? ~perr() -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu May 20 06:21:59 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Monitor In-Reply-To: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20040519180520.GA25131@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040520112159.GB14660@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:05:20PM -0500, James Kaufman wrote: > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > Thanks. > I want to thank everyone on this list who responded to my request. My daughter sends her thanks as well. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Thu May 20 07:39:36 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems - RESOLVED References: Message-ID: <018b01c43e67$86bec7a0$0201a8c0@clavdivs.org> Well, thanks to the iptables --list, I found out where the restrictions came from; I have a version of guarddog firewall installed, for whatever reason, and when it installed, it used the most restrictive policies possible, so that NOTHING can come in. Since the machine is behind an NAT router, and has no ports forwarded to it from the router, and the rest of the LAN is physically secure and hard-wired, and doesn't run any servers except an ssh daemon, I don't know WHY guarddog was put on this machine. I did an apt-get to remove it, and used iptables to remove the restrictive policies. Now I have to get inet or xinet working again so sshd will kick off.... Thanks for the tip, Garrett. Mike Bird > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:44:27 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Garrett Krueger" > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian untested incoming problems > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Message-ID: <24734.12.47.38.130.1084823067.squirrel@12.47.38.130> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Look at the access control lists. I'm guessing your version of Debian > uses iptables since that's a 2.4 kernel support. > > Do an: iptables --list > > See if you have restrictive configurations blocking incoming traffic. > > Garrett > > > > I have a Debian untested version of Linux on several of my boxen. It works > > swell on all but one of them. On that one, I can get out to the LAN and > > the > > Internet, but I can't get into the box from elsewhere on the LAN. I can't > > even ping it. I have the exact same version (it's a 2.4.x kernel) running > > on > > the same hardware, and I can get into that one just fine. But this machine > > I > > can't. However, when I'm on the machine itself, I can get out just fine. > > What all do you want to give me a clue towards debugging this? > > > > Mike Bird _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu May 20 08:57:34 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? Message-ID: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> Hey gang, I have a few servers running in the office that I'd like to manage the security logs for. I set up postfix for one and have the others mailing the logs to that server already and I'm using mutt to read mail. I've been toying with the idea of setting up a pop3 daemon so I could read the mail with mozilla since it handles my other accounts already. Mandrake doesn't mention anything about having a pop3 daemon in the distro already, and google shows a lot of options. So I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. I'm looking for something simple and easy, I don't have a lot of time to do setup and maintenance right now. It's not going over the internet, just local net, so I don't need super security or anything. Though for the future if it has any neat features (ssl/webmail/user-pass aliasing/chroot jail-able) I won't frown upon it. I just need something simple that I can just toss in, tell it to look at /var/spool/mail, use pam for authentication, and be done with it, and when I have more time or some other need I still have room to grow. Thanks again, Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu May 20 09:03:51 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> Will there be vendor swag? And I have enough pens - how about some personal licenses :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 20 09:29:46 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu May 20 09:50:50 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net> References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:29:46 -0500 Chad Walstrom wrote: > Chris Frederick wrote: > > I've been toying with the idea of setting up a pop3 daemon so I > > could read the mail with mozilla since it handles my other > > accounts already. > > Don't use POP3, use IMAP. I wish POP3 would die a horrible and > painful death. IMAP does all that POP3 does. Check out the > following: Here here! I second that! Mozilla, as most email clients, supports IMAP. IMAP also supports server side folders, which is nice if you use multiple clients, you can also setup global shared folders. IMAP leaves your messages on the server by default so if you roam it's easier to work with. > dovecot-imapd - A secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir > mailboxes mailutils - GNU mailutils utilities for handling mail > mailutils-imap4d - GNU mailutils-based IMAP4 Daemon Maildir support is definately a good way to go, two IMAP servers that work well with Maildir are Courier IMAP and BincIMAP. FWIW, Courier also has a POP daemon. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 20 09:50:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <40AC34A2.9040007@myrealbox.com> References: <40AC34A2.9040007@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20040520145022.GH19988@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Thu May 20 10:02:27 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net> <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40ACC883.3010402@bethel.edu> Josh Trutwin wrote: > Maildir support is definately a good way to go, two IMAP servers that work well with Maildir are Courier IMAP and BincIMAP. > > FWIW, Courier also has a POP daemon. I'd second that vote for Courier - I set up qmail/vpopmail/courier a few weeks ago for the first time, and it was a cinch...courier also has support for [IMAP|POP3] over SSL if you're interested. I haven't used BincIMAP, so I can't say if it has support for SSL. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu May 20 10:40:07 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey all, Two of my business partners have set up a server (Red Hat ES 3) running Tomcat, but are having integration issues getting Apache to run with Tomcat. Right now Tomcat is acting as the web server, but we would like Apache to be the main server, calling Tomcat as appropriate. They have tried for many hours to get this to work, and they are pretty bright guys, but just haven't done this before. If you know of a handy dandy guide to The Ultimate Apache/Tomcat Integration web page, please forward that to me. If anyone has experience with this and would like to get on our contact list should we decide to hire someone for a few hours of configuration support (probably by phone), please let me know. If you have ideas we can try, or want logs or error reports to come up with ideas, I think I can produce those. Many thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu May 20 10:44:32 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <20040520145022.GH19988@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, May 20, 2004 at 09:50:22AM -0500 References: <40AC34A2.9040007@myrealbox.com> <20040520145022.GH19988@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040520104432.A8509@thinkunix.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > One thing I thought about last week was the use of runtime levels to > switch your laptop into different modes of operation. For example, > runlevel 2 (default on Debian) could be used for normal, AC power > operation. Switch to RL 3 for low-power consumption, etc. I used to do just that when I ran RedHat on a laptop. It worked quite well. Running Debian now, I created /etc/apm/event.d/noflushd to stop services that make the disk spin up (cron, at, sendmail, etc). The script runs automatically when I switch from AC to battery or vice versa. This seemed more efficient to me as the system just handles it automatically and I don't have to remember to switch runlevels. You need to have the noflushd package installed. No warranty, use at your own risk, blah blah blah... -----cut here--------- #!/bin/sh # /etc/apm/event.d/noflushd # 4-Aug-2003 SWJ - only run noflushd when on battery power # this whole script is my creation. test -x /usr/sbin/noflushd || exit 0 case "$1,$2" in change,power|resume,*) # power status change; figure out if we're on ac or battery /usr/bin/on_ac_power RET="$?" case "$RET" in 0) # on ac power # don't run noflushd, start other services /etc/init.d/atd start /etc/init.d/cron start /etc/init.d/sendmail start /etc/init.d/noflushd stop ;; 1) # on battery # stop services that spin up the disk, run noflushd /etc/init.d/atd stop /etc/init.d/cron stop /etc/init.d/sendmail stop /etc/init.d/noflushd start ;; 255) echo "Power status could not be determine (error=255)" exit 255 ;; *) echo "unknown error; ret=[$RET]" exit 1 esac ;; esac -----cut here--------- -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kal at crcmn.com Thu May 20 10:37:43 2004 From: kal at crcmn.com (Kevin Layne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat References: Message-ID: <00b501c43e80$6492e120$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> There is something called connectors that do this, Here is a link to the FAQ. I worked with Tomcat 3 or so years ago on an AS/400 but do not remember too much. Hope this helps though. http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/connectors.html#integrate and check out these, http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Tomcat/Links Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat > Hey all, > > Two of my business partners have set up a server (Red Hat ES 3) running > Tomcat, but are having integration issues getting Apache to run with > Tomcat. Right now Tomcat is acting as the web server, but we would like > Apache to be the main server, calling Tomcat as appropriate. They have > tried for many hours to get this to work, and they are pretty bright guys, > but just haven't done this before. > > If you know of a handy dandy guide to The Ultimate Apache/Tomcat > Integration web page, please forward that to me. > > If anyone has experience with this and would like to get on our contact > list should we decide to hire someone for a few hours of configuration > support (probably by phone), please let me know. > > If you have ideas we can try, or want logs or error reports to come up > with ideas, I think I can produce those. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu May 20 11:07:36 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ACD7C8.7080302@cascopoint.com> Chris Schumann wrote: >Hey all, > > > you want to set up a mod_jk on apache and then tie it in with tomcat, there is a good guide on oreilly, but I do not have a link, just search the site, it was the best gyide ever >Two of my business partners have set up a server (Red Hat ES 3) running >Tomcat, but are having integration issues getting Apache to run with >Tomcat. Right now Tomcat is acting as the web server, but we would like >Apache to be the main server, calling Tomcat as appropriate. They have >tried for many hours to get this to work, and they are pretty bright guys, >but just haven't done this before. > >If you know of a handy dandy guide to The Ultimate Apache/Tomcat >Integration web page, please forward that to me. > >If anyone has experience with this and would like to get on our contact >list should we decide to hire someone for a few hours of configuration >support (probably by phone), please let me know. > >If you have ideas we can try, or want logs or error reports to come up >with ideas, I think I can produce those. > >Many thanks, >Chris Schumann > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu May 20 11:05:45 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <16556.55129.352839.754541@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I'm not up on the latest and greatest, but my Mandrake 9.1 install seems to offer cyrus-imapd courier-imapd imap-2002a as IMAP servers. I think they'll all do POP3, too. No Guarantees or recommendations! I don't know anything more than the fact that these are available! If you install one of them, and it wipes your hard disks or mails all your credit card numbers to someone nefarious in the FSU, it's not my fault!!!! :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kal at crcmn.com Thu May 20 10:41:56 2004 From: kal at crcmn.com (Kevin Layne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat References: Message-ID: <00c501c43e80$fb65b820$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> and this looks good too. http://www.meritonlinesystems.com/docs/apache_tomcat_redhat.html kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat > Hey all, > > Two of my business partners have set up a server (Red Hat ES 3) running > Tomcat, but are having integration issues getting Apache to run with > Tomcat. Right now Tomcat is acting as the web server, but we would like > Apache to be the main server, calling Tomcat as appropriate. They have > tried for many hours to get this to work, and they are pretty bright guys, > but just haven't done this before. > > If you know of a handy dandy guide to The Ultimate Apache/Tomcat > Integration web page, please forward that to me. > > If anyone has experience with this and would like to get on our contact > list should we decide to hire someone for a few hours of configuration > support (probably by phone), please let me know. > > If you have ideas we can try, or want logs or error reports to come up > with ideas, I think I can produce those. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu May 20 11:44:49 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:55 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations?) In-Reply-To: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: > Maildir support is definately a good way to go, two IMAP > servers that work well with Maildir are Courier IMAP and BincIMAP. I have looked but have been unable to find a listing of significant differences. Can someone provide a few reasons/situations where mbox is better than maildir, and vice-versa? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From likot at yahoo.com Thu May 20 12:04:11 2004 From: likot at yahoo.com (likot) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040520170411.13295.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> --- "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > I have looked but have been unable to find a listing > of significant > differences. Can someone provide a few > reasons/situations where mbox is > better than maildir, and vice-versa? http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/ http://www.decisionsoft.com/pdw/mailbench.html - ext3 has dir indexing support via tune2fs -O dir_index which _may_ or will improve performance. > John -Dek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 20 12:18:15 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations?) 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 20 12:25:49 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <20040520104432.A8509@thinkunix.net> References: <40AC34A2.9040007@myrealbox.com> <20040520145022.GH19988@wookimus.net> <20040520104432.A8509@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040520172549.GJ19988@wookimus.net> Scot Jenkins wrote: > Running Debian now, I created /etc/apm/event.d/noflushd to stop > services that make the disk spin up (cron, at, sendmail, etc). The > script runs automatically when I switch from AC to battery or vice > versa. Very nice, but I'm using a 2.6 kernel with acpid rather than apmd. I know, I'm a masochist. APM is going the way of the dodo at some point in the future, so I figured I'd jump on the bandwagon with acpi folk. The unfortunate part is that acpid is not as well integrated into ANY of the distributions just yet. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Thu May 20 12:29:44 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1085074184.1144.11.camel@localhost> If you really insist on using pop3, apt-get install qpopper. It's terrific, it looks in /var/mail/ by default, and uses /etc/shadow for installation. But I must agree, imap is like 100x better, and for that, dovecot all the way. ~J On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 08:57, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hey gang, > > I have a few servers running in the office that I'd like to manage the > security logs for. I set up postfix for one and have the others mailing > the logs to that server already and I'm using mutt to read mail. I've > been toying with the idea of setting up a pop3 daemon so I could read > the mail with mozilla since it handles my other accounts already. > Mandrake doesn't mention anything about having a pop3 daemon in the > distro already, and google shows a lot of options. > > So I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. > > I'm looking for something simple and easy, I don't have a lot of time to > do setup and maintenance right now. It's not going over the internet, > just local net, so I don't need super security or anything. Though for > the future if it has any neat features (ssl/webmail/user-pass > aliasing/chroot jail-able) I won't frown upon it. I just need something > simple that I can just toss in, tell it to look at /var/spool/mail, use > pam for authentication, and be done with it, and when I have more time > or some other need I still have room to grow. > > Thanks again, > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcnixon at wwdb.org Thu May 20 12:40:17 2004 From: mcnixon at wwdb.org (Mike Nixon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Monitor Message-ID: <200405201740.i4KHeH721342@wweb05-l3.webley> I'm also looking for 2 monitors, Do you have any 17"? Thanks, Mike Nixon mcnixon@wwdb.org ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:32:31 -0500 > From: "Johnny Fulcrum" > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Monitor > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 > > I have a dozen. > contact me off list. > > On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman > wrote: > > > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu May 20 12:40:19 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache / Tomcat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:07 -0500 (CDT), Chris Schumann wrote: > Hey all, > > Two of my business partners have set up a server (Red Hat ES 3) running > Tomcat, but are having integration issues getting Apache to run with > Tomcat. This may or may not help. Merant PVCS, which I have to "administer" at work has a web interface to it's source code control system which uses apache and tomcat. The Tom cat part of the httpd.conf file follows: Alias /vminet_temp /tmp/tester/vm/common/tomcat/temp/html Alias /vminet_images /tmp/tester/vm/common/tomcat/webapps/vminet/vminet_images Alias /vminet_books /tmp/tester/books/vm/VMBOOKS LoadModule jk_module /tmp/tester/vm/common/tomcat/bin/linux/mod_jk.so AddModule mod_jk.c JkWorkersFile /tmp/tester/vm/common/tomcat/conf/jk/workers.properties JkLogFile /tmp/tester/vm/common/tomcat/logs/mod_jk.log JkLogLevel error JkMount /vminet.html ajp13 JkMount /vminet_install.html ajp13 JkMount /SampleDB ajp13 JkMount /SampleDB/* ajp13 JkMount /merantfs/* ajp13 JkMount /SampleDB.dav ajp13 JkMount /SampleDB.dav/* ajp13 I'm currently working on figuring out how to decouple the tomcat server from the server that runs the apache server and move the apache server to a dmz, config it with modssl and pin hole a entryped tunnel back the the tomcat server on the lan. Yey fun..... :/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu May 20 12:48:07 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Monitor In-Reply-To: <200405201740.i4KHeH721342@wweb05-l3.webley> References: <200405201740.i4KHeH721342@wweb05-l3.webley> Message-ID: nope - they are compaq 150's On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:40:17 -0500, Mike Nixon wrote: > I'm also looking for 2 monitors, > Do you have any 17"? > > Thanks, > Mike Nixon > mcnixon@wwdb.org > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:32:31 -0500 >> From: "Johnny Fulcrum" >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Monitor >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 >> >> I have a dozen. >> contact me off list. >> >> On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate >> to a >> > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu May 20 13:34:00 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Monitor In-Reply-To: <200405201740.i4KHeH721342@wweb05-l3.webley> References: <200405201740.i4KHeH721342@wweb05-l3.webley> Message-ID: <1085078040.40acfa1808ce0@my.visi.com> Quoting Mike Nixon : Yes, I have several. $15 each. Reply off list to: smac@visi.com Sam. > I'm also looking for 2 monitors, > Do you have any 17"? > > Thanks, > Mike Nixon > mcnixon@wwdb.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:32:31 -0500 > > From: "Johnny Fulcrum" > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Monitor > > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 > > > > I have a dozen. > > contact me off list. > > > > On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:20 -0500, James Kaufman > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a very inexpensive monitor they wish to sell/donate to a > > > college student? My daughter needs one until about August 15. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu May 20 13:42:32 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations?) In-Reply-To: References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040520134232.000050ac@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:44:49 -0500 "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > > Maildir support is definately a good way to go, two IMAP > > servers that work well with Maildir are Courier IMAP and BincIMAP. > > I have looked but have been unable to find a listing of significant > differences. Can someone provide a few reasons/situations where mbox > is better than maildir, and vice-versa? Good question, I don't have a whole lot to add to the previous replies other than Maildir in my experience is much nicer for backing up email messages, it's even possible to write a simple script to analyze if a single message has a huge attachment and decide if it's something you really want to back up. I also like that the name of the file tells you if you've replied, read, forwarded the messages, etc. which also has some nice scripting possibilities. It's also much easier to admin an email account without having to use a client. Generally this is never needed though unless you're in a pinch. I've tested if accounts are setup correctly by sending them a test email, watching for a new file in the maildir, verify that it was the message I sent and then simply rm the file so the customer doesn't see the test message. I've thought about taking a lot of my saved mailing list email messages and putting them in MySQL or something and having a fulltext search with a little web front end so I don't have to burden my client so much when searching for messages, Maildir format messages would make programming this application a little easier. I've had great experiences with Maildir, my only bizarre incident was when I moved messages from one server to another I had a small problem, which was my own fault. With mbox, I've had more problems, but I don't think it was the fault of the format so much as it was the fault of a system that someone really made a mess of. None of the things I mentioned cannot be done with mbox, I just personally find Maildir easier to work with. YMMV Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu May 20 13:11:50 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040520181150.GC10839@fandre.com> Initally there was mention of giving away 5 free copies of VMware Workstation. I asked for confirmation on that, so I'll let you know as soon as I know for sure. On Thu, 20 May 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > Will there be vendor swag? And I have enough pens - how about some > personal licenses :) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Thu May 20 19:07:52 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSL-Config Apache. In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD015492BC@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: In addition to Brian's comments, make certain you have the SSL section of your httpd.conf configured properly for your keys. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Thu May 20 21:15:03 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation Message-ID: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Hello, I remember mentions of charity type organizations that took donations of PC hardware. I have several Pentium 100 mhz era machines that I would like to donate (actually a business I work for). Can someone come up with a good place for these? Preferable would be an "official" charity organization. Ideas? Thanks, -Chuck Hays _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu May 20 22:21:20 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> On 20 May 2004 21:15:03 -0500 Chuck Hays wrote: > Hello, > > I remember mentions of charity type organizations that took > donations of PC hardware. I have several Pentium 100 mhz era > machines that I would like to donate (actually a business I work > for). > > Can someone come up with a good place for these? Preferable would > be an"official" charity organization. My wife works for an inner city Minneapolis public school, she would certainly welcome 5-6 of these. Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri May 21 06:47:18 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: www.worldcomputerexchange.org There's a minneapolis office which I used to be the coordinator for. Recently had kid #2 and so I'm taking a break from the volunteer work for a bit.... WCE takes all working pentium or better computers and monitors that indicate they are 110 - 220 volt Arifin Ruslim is the WCE Minneapolis Coordinator now and he can be reached at 612-598-0166 All donations come with a handy tax deductable receipt thingy. On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:15:03 -0500, Chuck Hays wrote: > Hello, > > I remember mentions of charity type organizations that took donations of > PC hardware. I have several Pentium 100 mhz era machines that I would > like to donate (actually a business I work for). > > Can someone come up with a good place for these? Preferable would be an > "official" charity organization. > > Ideas? > > Thanks, > > -Chuck Hays > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri May 21 09:28:34 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> Message-ID: <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: > My wife works for an inner city Minneapolis public school, she would certainly welcome 5-6 of these. Umm, maybe I went to one of the better schools or something, but when I was in Minneapolis public schools the computers certainly weren't this bad! Heck I built my first P100 computer while attending southwest high school 9 years ago! MPS may not be totally current, but I'd think they're doing better than 8-9 years behind... Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri May 21 09:56:38 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <20040521095638.00005fbb@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 21 May 2004 09:28:34 -0500 Matt Murphy wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > My wife works for an inner city Minneapolis public school, she > > would certainly welcome 5-6 of these. > > Umm, maybe I went to one of the better schools or something, > but when I > was in Minneapolis public schools the computers certainly weren't > this bad! Heck I built my first P100 computer while attending > southwest high school 9 years ago! MPS may not be totally current, > but I'd think they're doing better than 8-9 years behind... Yeah, but she works in a special education room and cannot really get at any of the nice computers. She's trying to build a small network that she can use to install some education software that their IT people do not want to support but that she has grant money to get. She told me that the software wasn't anything fancy and that a Pentium should handle it (we still run one in the house so she knows how slow it actually is). I should've been more specific, basic web browsing and another program is all these things need to handle. Her teacher workstation is a pretty decent machine, PIII or PIV, but she is unable to get any decent much less working computers for her project for her students to use. She tried to salvage some old Macs that were in a storage room, but that was a disaster. They don't have any junked out machines that are not Macs so I think we could actually put these to use. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri May 21 10:14:35 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 May 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > My wife works for an inner city Minneapolis public school, she would certainly welcome 5-6 of these. > > Umm, maybe I went to one of the better schools or something, but when I > was in Minneapolis public schools the computers certainly weren't this > bad! Heck I built my first P100 computer while attending southwest high > school 9 years ago! MPS may not be totally current, but I'd think > they're doing better than 8-9 years behind... I'm not sure about this situation, but every year my mom asks me what I've got for old crufty spare computer(s) I don't mind parting with, and I usually come up with something. She puts it in her classroom for her kids to use when they are done with their work or as a reward type thing. Then at the end of the year she "auctions" off a bunch of rewards to the kids and someone gets to take them home. Most of her students don't have any computer at home, so even something really old is better than nothing. There are other computer labs in the school with much more current technology in them, but you have to sign up for them, take the whole class down, etc. For 10 minutes here and there, that just doesn't work. ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Fri May 21 10:49:30 2004 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> <20040521095638.00005fbb@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <000f01c43f4b$34437630$24fea8c0@LARRY> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri May 21 10:47:13 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <20040521095638.00005fbb@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <1085105704.3373.8.camel@chays.dyndns.org> <20040520222120.00002271@schubert> <40AE1212.5020108@tc-tech.com> <20040521095638.00005fbb@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40AE2481.6070103@tc-tech.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: > Her teacher workstation is a pretty decent machine, PIII or PIV, but she is unable to get any decent much less working computers for her project for her students to use. Ahh, good to know the schools haven't deteriorated THAT MUCH since I attended. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri May 21 14:25:57 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: I'd come, but got a friend's HS grad party to go to... I hope they give some free licenses...they've gotta beat my college's free copy VirtualPC 2004....(Yes, I know...but I paid for it big time, so I'm gonna use it for now) I was about to buy Vmware Workstation through the educational channels then get my LUG rebate, but then our MSDNAA setup was finally done, and I got Virtual PC...so cost was the winning factor for the moment. Do let us know a summary of their information, for those of us who can't make it. Keith Bachman -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:04 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) Will there be vendor swag? And I have enough pens - how about some personal licenses :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri May 21 14:30:58 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: <40AE2481.6070103@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: I'm working/volunteering at my high school...St. Francis, up north of Anoka. We tied into a government (mainly DoD) cleanout program - pay for shipping from the military base, get 'em for free otherwise. Can't remember the program - but our head IT people set mandate of PIII or better...so the pile of PIIs are going to be going out the door this summer...I'm going to try to catch as many as possible from going to the recycling pile, so maybe we should set up on the site a list of places/people to contact for who needs these systems, and if they can spare money for them as well (some places can't give stuff up without monetary transactions, etc) So PI, PII's should be in my hands in the next month or so, and I'll need to move them out ASAP... I also can get my hands on some old Macintosh 630s, if anyone's interested... Keith Bachman Contact me offlist at: kcbnac@myrealbox.com (763)607-3210 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:47 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation Josh Trutwin wrote: > Her teacher workstation is a pretty decent machine, PIII or PIV, but she is unable to get any decent much less working computers for her project for her students to use. Ahh, good to know the schools haven't deteriorated THAT MUCH since I attended. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Fri May 21 15:26:26 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Several computers for donation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005701c43f71$e74416b0$c56000ae@tcat> If she is happy enough with the Pentium level computer, Minnesota Computers for Schools gives those away based on the number of students who qualify for free or reduced lunch and on the student to computer ratio at the school. PII's and up cost a nominal amount. They also were talking about a program where the school can transfer ownership somehow to needy families. They have various types of peripherals at varying costs. We have purchased some and accepted some of the free ones. I have not been overly impressed with the free ones but the others were PIII's and have mostly been ok. Dana S. Millaway District Technology Coordinator Holdingford Public Schools -----Original Message----- > > > My wife works for an inner city Minneapolis public school, she would > > certainly welcome 5-6 of these. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri May 21 22:13:20 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nvida cards and mplayer Message-ID: <40AEC550.8020309@cascopoint.com> Hi all, I have an Nvidia Geforce2 GTS/P3 1Ghz and running Fedora Core 2 ( yes already, very much like it :) ). The problem I see is when I watch something with mplayer with a Nvidia proprietary driver things become slow and in top I see about 50-60% CPU usage by X process, and i guess it could eat more, CPU usage is 100%. When I run it with open source nv driver X process eats up only about 20 % of CPU and all is fine. How come? I use xv as output method with mplayer. The video playback related diffrences between them is (judjing from xvinfo)that nv driver supports YV12 and YUY2 formats, and nvidia only YUY2. I dont thin I had this issue when I was running RH 9. Anybody has any ideas? Maybe somebody has an Nvidia videocard and has RH 9 and could fire up a proprietary driver and run xvinfo, to see if this something with new X/kernel in FC2 or it has been there forever. thnx in advance. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat May 22 03:51:43 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nvida cards and mplayer In-Reply-To: <40AEC550.8020309@cascopoint.com> References: <40AEC550.8020309@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <1085215903.40af149febb51@mail.bitstream.net> Yeaaaah...when I installed the Nvidia drivers on my FC2 system it stopped booting. I'm real happy about that BTW. NVidia says they'll have new drivers out RSN.* And yes I like Core 2 very much as well...I just wish they didn't have to kill my 3d drivers. Brady *RSN=Real Soon Now=slightly slower than ASAP > Hi all, > > I have an Nvidia Geforce2 GTS/P3 1Ghz and running Fedora Core 2 ( yes > already, very much like it :) ). The problem I see is when I watch > something with mplayer with a Nvidia proprietary driver things become > slow and in top I see about 50-60% CPU usage by X process, and i guess > it could eat more, CPU usage is 100%. When I run it with open source nv > driver X process eats up only about 20 % of CPU and all is fine. How > come? I use xv as output method with mplayer. > The video playback related diffrences between them is (judjing from > xvinfo)that nv driver supports YV12 and YUY2 formats, and nvidia only > YUY2. I dont thin I had this issue when I was running RH 9. > Anybody has any ideas? Maybe somebody has an Nvidia videocard and has RH > 9 and could fire up a proprietary driver and run xvinfo, to see if this > something with new X/kernel in FC2 or it has been there forever. > > thnx in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Sat May 22 09:41:49 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nvida cards and mplayer In-Reply-To: <1085215903.40af149febb51@mail.bitstream.net> References: <40AEC550.8020309@cascopoint.com> <1085215903.40af149febb51@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <40AF66AD.7060303@cascopoint.com> bradyh@bitstream.net wrote: >Yeaaaah...when I installed the Nvidia drivers on my FC2 system it stopped >booting. I'm real happy about that BTW. NVidia says they'll have new drivers >out RSN.* >And yes I like Core 2 very much as well...I just wish they didn't have to kill >my 3d drivers. > > > Mine is booting and other then video behaving very well, I`ve used the drivers from minion.de, it also lists that the booting problems may be due to ACPI interaction with kernel, read the site it has the details, you may be able to fix this thing. >Brady > >*RSN=Real Soon Now=slightly slower than ASAP > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I have an Nvidia Geforce2 GTS/P3 1Ghz and running Fedora Core 2 ( yes >>already, very much like it :) ). The problem I see is when I watch >>something with mplayer with a Nvidia proprietary driver things become >>slow and in top I see about 50-60% CPU usage by X process, and i guess >>it could eat more, CPU usage is 100%. When I run it with open source nv >>driver X process eats up only about 20 % of CPU and all is fine. How >>come? I use xv as output method with mplayer. >>The video playback related diffrences between them is (judjing from >>xvinfo)that nv driver supports YV12 and YUY2 formats, and nvidia only >>YUY2. I dont thin I had this issue when I was running RH 9. >>Anybody has any ideas? Maybe somebody has an Nvidia videocard and has RH >>9 and could fire up a proprietary driver and run xvinfo, to see if this >>something with new X/kernel in FC2 or it has been there forever. >> >>thnx in advance. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sat May 22 12:01:21 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence Message-ID: Hi- I have a friend of a friend that needs to make sure an email is removed and cannot be recovered from his/her harddrive. I said no problem - I can physically destroy the HD or, if you want to use it again I can DBAN the HD and reinstall, and if you don't want to go that route, we can find software to rewrite over (an over) the empty blocks etc etc... (any other ideas here?). (S)He then asked about the server that had the email - in this case it was hotmail.com. I said I hadn't a clue about how to make sure that when (S)he "trashed" the email on hotmail - that it really "went away". I also had no clue if the "LAW" could get their hands on the email via hotmail.com even if we cleared the local computer. Can anyone on the list help me address these concerns? thanks John(nnyF) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat May 22 12:58:50 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040522125113.C52502@unix18.sihope.com> If "the man" comes down on the operation and knows about the hotmail account, they will almost certainly subpoena hotmail for all of his/her e-mails, and Hotmail will cooperate. I think it's also a safe bet to assume that even after (s)he deletes it, that e-mail might still exist on a file system somewhere for some amount of time, in the form of a deleted-mail holding area, or on tape, or on a redundant server, or something. Worse yet, the logs of that message will probable exist much longer than the message itself would, which leads to other avenues of recovery. Was the message queued on disk somewhere before it was sent? Was it sent from a financial company that is required by the SEC to archive all their e-mails? Does the sender have a copy in their sent-mail (is that sent-mail an IMAP folder on the ISP's servers, being backed up regularly?) If she viewed the message through hotmail's web interface, do the contents exist in her browser cache? Did she go through a proxy server which may have cached the message? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 22 May 2004, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have a friend of a friend that needs to make sure an email is removed > and cannot be recovered from his/her harddrive. > > I said no problem - I can physically destroy the HD or, if you want to use > it again I can DBAN the HD and reinstall, and if you don't want to go that > route, we can find software to rewrite over (an over) the empty blocks etc > etc... (any other ideas here?). > > (S)He then asked about the server that had the email - in this case it was > hotmail.com. I said I hadn't a clue about how to make sure that when > (S)he "trashed" the email on hotmail - that it really "went away". I also > had no clue if the "LAW" could get their hands on the email via > hotmail.com even if we cleared the local computer. > > Can anyone on the list help me address these concerns? > > thanks > John(nnyF) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat May 22 16:40:40 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405222140.i4MLeeK20295@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: gateway PIII helo- gateway tower - PIII 500, 192mb, 10GB hdd, $60 or B.O. whenever I use an AGP video card in this machine, I get some weird "shadowing" effects, so I put in a PCI card and it works fine. lombardo AT evilcricket.comSeller Email address: lombardo at evilcricket dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun May 23 11:51:40 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> The Justis Department can ask for any eMail from any vendor and get what they want. Dban works great but our local data retrieval company (Ontrack) may be able to get anything off a hard drive given enough time. With that said, maybe someone from Ontrack would be nice enough to speak at a TCLUG meeting some time. They may (I would guess they do) even know Dban and be able to tell us if they can recover data from a drive that Dban has been used on. Sam. johnnyfulcrum wrote: > > Hi- > > I have a friend of a friend that needs to make sure an email is > removed and cannot be recovered from his/her harddrive. > > I said no problem - I can physically destroy the HD or, if you want to > use it again I can DBAN the HD and reinstall, and if you don't want > to go that route, we can find software to rewrite over (an over) the > empty blocks etc etc... (any other ideas here?). > > (S)He then asked about the server that had the email - in this case it > was hotmail.com. I said I hadn't a clue about how to make sure that > when (S)he "trashed" the email on hotmail - that it really "went > away". I also had no clue if the "LAW" could get their hands on the > email via hotmail.com even if we cleared the local computer. > > Can anyone on the list help me address these concerns? > > thanks > John(nnyF) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sun May 23 11:20:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> On Sun, 23 May 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > The Justis Department can ask for any eMail from any vendor and get what > they want. > IANAL With a court order/warrant, which implies some sort of supporting evidence. > Dban works great but our local data retrieval company (Ontrack) may be > able to get anything off a hard drive > given enough time. With that said, maybe someone from Ontrack would be > nice enough to speak at a TCLUG > meeting some time. They may (I would guess they do) even know Dban and > be able to tell us if they can > recover data from a drive that Dban has been used on. > This was a topic at the last TCSA meeting. Zero and then One-out the data X number of times. Run it through a bulk demagnetizer. Soak platters in salt water. Shatter the platters and throw them into X different oceans. Ontrack cares little about the underlying filesystem and OS. They are just reading strings of 1's an 0's from the drive. I agree that having someone from Ontrack speak would be very interesting. Clay, work your magic! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun May 23 12:54:22 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:20:26AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > IANAL > > With a court order/warrant, which implies some sort of supporting > evidence. Sorry, that's no longer necessarily true. All they have to do is claim that it is in some way related to terrorism and they can do whatever they want. Welcome to the land of the free. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun May 23 13:25:55 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [rware@interplastic.com: Out of Office AutoReply: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence] Message-ID: <20040523182555.GC20965@momentum.poptix.net> Bob, could you remove this guy/disable delivery? ----- Forwarded message from rware@interplastic.com ----- Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:07:41 -0500 From: rware@interplastic.com To: poptix@techmonkeys.org Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Level: I will be out of the office Friday, May 21. I will return on Monday. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun May 23 17:06:26 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <16561.8290.994863.427035@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Maloney writes: Adam> On Sun, 23 May 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: >> The Justis Department can ask for any eMail from any vendor and get what >> they want. >> Adam> IANAL Adam> With a court order/warrant, which implies some sort of supporting Adam> evidence. Actually, IANALE (I Am Not A Lawyer Either) I'm not at all sure that this is still necessary, post-Patriot Act... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun May 23 21:47:10 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Armada M700 Fun In-Reply-To: <40AB85B4.1010905@visi.com> References: <40AB85B4.1010905@visi.com> Message-ID: <1085366827.1873.1291.camel@bigtime> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 11:05, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Fedora Core 1 > > I have a daemon running called "irqbalance" it supports "distributed > interrupts across the cpus of multiprocessor system for load balancing". > I have another daemon running called "microcode_ctl" it's "a script that > applies cpu microcode". > > The machine is a Compaq Armada M700, PIII 450 laptop with only 1 processor. > > I'm fairly sure I don't need the "irqbalance" deamon running sense I > only have 1 cpu. > But > Is the "microcode_ctl" deamon telling the machine to act as if it has 2 > cpu's and thus "irqbalance" starts? This is all in a badly designed package called "kernel-utils". irqbalance is for SMP machines, but its starts it up even if you don't need it. microcode_ctl upgrades the microcode on PII/PIII and perhaps P4 processors. Useless on an athlon, but its started up anyway. It also contains smartctl, which means you have package interference problems if you're using the upstream smartctl RPM. This package really needs to be split out, throwing random crap together into one package is just a bad idea. I should file a bug report... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun May 23 22:42:06 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <40AA3854.2060707@structural-wood.com> References: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> <40AA3854.2060707@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <1085370124.1873.1350.camel@bigtime> > Since you are already on Fedora core, you might want to go all the way > up to a 2.6 kernel and use laptop mode. > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/ > > I see there is a note on the above page about laptop mode in 2.4 kernels > as well. Laptop mode was in 2.4 for a while before 2.6. It had to be mostly rewritten because the 2.6 VM is way different. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun May 23 23:04:43 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedroa+laptop=Constant Hard drive activity In-Reply-To: <20040519163641.GA19988@wookimus.net> References: <20040518110646.B19133@thinkunix.net> <20040518115518.A18884@thinkunix.net> <20040519163641.GA19988@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1085371481.1873.1375.camel@bigtime> > * BUY LOTS OF RAM! DON'T USE A SWAP, especially when running off the > battery. But you need swap for suspend to disk to work. :) If you truly have enough ram, swap won't hurt. In fact, if you let unused stuff swap out, that means all the more RAM is available to cache files that actually ARE in use, thus REDUCING overall disk access. Trust in swap, swap is your friend. > * (DANGEROUS) Turn on async for the filesystem. This allows the fs to > write asynchronously instead of synchronously (may be default anyway) This has always been default for Linux since the beginning of time. BSD weenies have been bashing Linux for this just as long. > * (DANGEROUS) Turn off dirsync for the filesystem. Same "benefits" as > 'async'. Also not on unless you turned it on. > * (DANGEROUS) Selectively turn on/off journaling for an filesystem > based on power management. This involves customizing the acpid or > apmd scripts to remount filesystems in /etc/fstab that originally > have the 'noload' option for ext3 or 'nolog' option for reiserfs. This is wrong and ugly. Use laptop mode. Note that just "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode" that the FC1 APM scripts do isn't good enough. There's a script in your kernel source, in "Documentation/laptop-mode.txt" that will remount all your filesystems with the journal sync time extended, as well as tweaking some other stuff in the VM to match. Laptop mode gains you nothing without these options properly set as well. This is the Right Way(TM) to deal with journaling on laptops. I hacked up an apmcontinue script to properly enable/disable laptop mode on Fedora Core 1. Here is my /etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/apmcontinue : #!/bin/bash PROG="$1" function laptop_mode_startstop { if apm |grep on-line &>/dev/null; then beep -f 1000 -n -f 2000& logger -i -p local0.info -t apm Disabling laptop mode hdparm -B255 -S12 /dev/hda > /dev/null /usr/local/sbin/laptop_mode stop else beep -f 2000 -n -f 1000& logger -i -p local0.info -t apm Enabling laptop mode hdparm -B0 -S4 /dev/hda > /dev/null /usr/local/sbin/laptop_mode start fi } case "$PROG" in suspend|standby) beep -f 500 -l 75 -r 2& ;; resume|start) laptop_mode_startstop ;; stop) ;; change) case $2 in power) # change in power status laptop_mode_startstop ;; battery) # battery low beep -f 10000 -r 5& logger -i -p local0.info -t apm Battery is low. sync ;; *) beep -f 5000 -l 20 -d 20 -r 8& logger -i -p local0.info -t apm Unknown message: change to $2 ;; esac ;; *) beep -f 5000 -l 20 -d 20 -r 8& logger -i -p local0.info -t apm Unknown message: $PROG ;; esac Note, this needs the laptop_mode script from your kernel source in /usr/local/sbin. It varies depending on kernel version, so get it from the kernel you're actually using. I also use "beep" to do a lot of obnoxious beeping, get it from http://www.johnath.com/beep/ > * Turn down logging to a bare minimum. Throw away unimportant log > entries in syslogd configuration or syslog-ng configuration. My /etc/syslog.conf contains only: *.* -/var/log/syslog This just dumps everything to /var/log/syslog without syncing, laptop mode will prevent the disk from spinning up, but you'll still get logs as long as your battery doesn't die. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Mon May 24 01:39:36 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Early KDM/GDM login on Fedora Core 1 (maybe others) Message-ID: <200405240139.36374.lists@gahlon.com> It's 1:30am and I'm brain fried from trying to figure this out... Please help if you can! I've got a Fedora Core 1 boxen (and others) that I'd like to have run KDM/GDM/XDM very early in the boot sequence. On all linux distros I've ever used the display manager is the LAST thing to start. I don't really care to watch cups, networking, etc. services starting up on my workstation (my servers are a different matter). Unless I do something stupid they always start and I'd really like to just get on with the business of logging and checking email while services start "in the background." I made an init script to run "/usr/bin/kdm -daemon" and it works. All goes well until /bin/login is run, it immediately kills anything else attached to all tty's and I can't figure out how to stop it. Short of a crude hack I did by putting an init scripts at S99 that does a read (to wait forever for input that will never come) how do I keep /bin/login from clobbering my display manager on tty7? I've read the manpage and googled for help but cannot find any. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- Christopher A. Gahlon mount -t life -o ro /dev/dna /genetic/research _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon May 24 02:46:16 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Early KDM/GDM login on Fedora Core 1 (maybe others) In-Reply-To: <200405240139.36374.lists@gahlon.com> References: <200405240139.36374.lists@gahlon.com> Message-ID: <1085384774.1873.1382.camel@bigtime> > I made an init script to run "/usr/bin/kdm -daemon" and it works. > > All goes well until /bin/login is run, it immediately kills anything > else attached to all tty's and I can't figure out how to stop it. Are you sure its login? login should be called by getty, and only after you log in. Fedora starts xdm/gdm/kdm from init, maybe its the second execution of kdm thats messing things up. Try commenting out this line in /etc/inittab : # Run xdm in runlevel 5 x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon Or maybe just edit inittab to start up in runlevel 3 instead of 5. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon May 24 07:06:22 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain Message-ID: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> I am starting to get a lot of bounce messages due to some spammer using my domain (lorenburlingame.com) in their mailings. It looks to me as though all of the relevant headers are forged and as far as I can tell there is no way to trace the message back to an IP. Anyone have any advice on how to handle something like this? Thanks LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon May 24 07:38:33 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain References: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <002501c4418c$0a8c24c0$0300000a@net.tsinks> This is a problem coming probably from overseas. The originator has gotten mine, also. The people are using a program which uses a lot of fake intermixed with actual addresses for covering up the sender and obfuscating the actual sender. They ask to have you click on a site line in the text or they have an attachment. The fake ones are made up in a word/sentence generator, which gives them an off-the-wall feel to them. I have been receiving these since about the end of March. I believe they came from an ad or survey I took about then or it came from the capture of someone's mail info that had my address in it. The spam programs haven't stopped this one. Also, be aware the message using your ISP, with an attachment, asking for info or to open the attachment is being sent out again. This was making the rounds last year. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren H. Burlingame" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain > I am starting to get a lot of bounce messages due to some spammer using > my domain (lorenburlingame.com) in their mailings. > > It looks to me as though all of the relevant headers are forged and as > far as I can tell there is no way to trace the message back to an IP. > > Anyone have any advice on how to handle something like this? > > Thanks > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon May 24 07:55:43 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain In-Reply-To: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> References: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <1085403342.16617.8.camel@unixws1> There's no way to prevent it before the fact (but google for "SPF") The only IP you could reasonably trust would be the one that the recipient's mail server recorded. The spammer can't forge headers that haven't been added yet, so anything that the recipient's mail server recorded couldn't have been forged (by the spammer). Unfortunately, the most you'll be able to do with that IP is send off an abuse complaint to the ISP responsible. It will most likely turn out to be a hacked/trojaned/proxied Windows zombie, an open-relay in another country, a throw-away dial-up from some big nation-wide provider, or part of a hijacked IP block. Nothing useful in tracing the spammer. A popular approach for finding spammers is to follow the money - look and see who owns the spamvertised website (although they have some tricks to make this difficult), who owns the 800 number, etc. On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 07:06, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I am starting to get a lot of bounce messages due to some spammer using > my domain (lorenburlingame.com) in their mailings. > > It looks to me as though all of the relevant headers are forged and as > far as I can tell there is no way to trace the message back to an IP. > > Anyone have any advice on how to handle something like this? > > Thanks > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon May 24 09:51:34 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's broke Message-ID: <007401c4419e$9bdebac0$4bae6742@DELL2> For no apparent reason I cannot get my gui to come up on my fedora desktop. It switches every 20 seconds between a black screen and the fedora background. I can login and use the server via ssh, but I would like my gui back:) Raymond Norton LCTN admin@lctn.org To Infinity and beyond! --Buzz Lightyear _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon May 24 11:12:53 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain In-Reply-To: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> References: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <22668.12.47.38.130.1085415173.squirrel@12.47.38.130> I'm having a similar problem, and I would also like to know of any "solutions" to this. It seems to come and go (as in, spammers will use my domain for awhile and then not use it for awhile). It's significant enough though that several of my friends have indicated my emails to their yahoo accounts show up in the bulk "spammer's" box despite having addressed the email just to a single person. How do large companies work with this? Anyone??? Thanks! > I am starting to get a lot of bounce messages due to some spammer using > my domain (lorenburlingame.com) in their mailings. > > It looks to me as though all of the relevant headers are forged and as > far as I can tell there is no way to trace the message back to an IP. > > Anyone have any advice on how to handle something like this? > > Thanks > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Mon May 24 11:23:50 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain In-Reply-To: <22668.12.47.38.130.1085415173.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2004, Garrett Krueger wrote: > I'm having a similar problem, and I would also like to know of any > "solutions" to this. It seems to come and go (as in, spammers will use my > domain for awhile and then not use it for awhile). It's significant > enough though that several of my friends have indicated my emails to their > yahoo accounts show up in the bulk "spammer's" box despite having > addressed the email just to a single person. > > How do large companies work with this? Anyone??? > The best way I've found so far is SPF. It isn't perfect by any means, but there is nothing better out there. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mike.Tuller at anoka.k12.mn.us Mon May 24 09:50:57 2004 From: Mike.Tuller at anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Even if you delete everything from the hard drive, or destroy the hard drive, there will still be information left on the server. Most email providers will backup before the deleted items are actually deleted on the server. You delete the files, they go into your deleted items, and the server deletes the files in the deleted items later, after backup. Email is a great communication tool, but as Microsoft has learned, you only say what you don't mind other's seeing. Emails can always be retrieved later if someone wants them bad enough. Mike On 5/22/04 12:01 PM, "johnnyfulcrum" wrote: > > Hi- > > I have a friend of a friend that needs to make sure an email is removed > and cannot be recovered from his/her harddrive. > > I said no problem - I can physically destroy the HD or, if you want to use > it again I can DBAN the HD and reinstall, and if you don't want to go that > route, we can find software to rewrite over (an over) the empty blocks etc > etc... (any other ideas here?). > > (S)He then asked about the server that had the email - in this case it was > hotmail.com. I said I hadn't a clue about how to make sure that when > (S)he "trashed" the email on hotmail - that it really "went away". I also > had no clue if the "LAW" could get their hands on the email via > hotmail.com even if we cleared the local computer. > > Can anyone on the list help me address these concerns? > > thanks > John(nnyF) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon May 24 14:36:27 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <20040520181150.GC10839@fandre.com> References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> <20040520181150.GC10839@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040524193627.GC12337@fandre.com> I just got confirmation that VMware will be bringing 5 free copies of VMware workstation to raffle off at the meeting. Also, all members will receive $100 off the price of VMware W/S. (which is currently at $189) So be sure to be there! -- Clay On Thu, 20 May 2004, Clay Fandre wrote: > Initally there was mention of giving away 5 free copies of VMware > Workstation. I asked for confirmation on that, so I'll let you know > as soon as I know for sure. > > On Thu, 20 May 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Will there be vendor swag? And I have enough pens - how about some > > personal licenses :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eric at lgthouse.com Mon May 24 17:06:18 2004 From: eric at lgthouse.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux Message-ID: <4143.160.94.198.186.1085436378.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> Hi, So I have been syncing files from a windows workstation to my linux server using Unison and SSH. It works great and I really like it. I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but the whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the documents are Word documents if that helps. The problem is that I can't find a way to sync both the data fork and resource fork (I'm not a Mac guy so if I got my forks mixed up, oh well). Does anybody know of a free way to do this or if a good pay-to-use version exists I'd be happy with that too? I just don't want to have to deal with corrupted data. Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From listbox at nwaalpa.org Mon May 24 17:50:49 2004 From: listbox at nwaalpa.org (Steve Swantz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux In-Reply-To: <4143.160.94.198.186.1085436378.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> References: <4143.160.94.198.186.1085436378.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> Message-ID: <40B27C49.6020103@nwaalpa.org> Eric Peterson wrote: >I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but the >whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the documents >are Word documents if that helps. > > > I've been using rsyncX (check www.versiontracker.com) to rsync between Macs and from some Linux boxes to a Mac. Not sure about putting files with a resource fork on a Linux box - maybe rsyncX to an HFS partition on a Linux box? rsyncX will overwrite Apples rsync, so be sure to make a copy first. Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From burns at runbox.com Mon May 24 22:11:32 2004 From: burns at runbox.com (R Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: > > With a court order/warrant, which implies some sort of supporting > > evidence. > > Sorry, that's no longer necessarily true. All they have to do is claim that > it is in some way related to terrorism and they can do whatever they want. > > Welcome to the land of the free. > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified They still need a warrant. The real concern would be rubberstamp judges. SNEAK AND PEEK SEARCH WARRANTS AND THE USA PATRIOT ACT http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/37patriot.html Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon May 24 23:36:55 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) Message-ID: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines http://www.openpa.net/systems/c100.html I plugged them in and turned them on they seamed to coming up, but the display will not sync ******************************************************** I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) http://www.openpa.net/systems/ultralight.html I didn't turn it on as I don't have a terminal or could I use a laptop with a serial port and get to it. I'm not sure how to get it to display... ??? ******************************************************** An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> prompt I did a "sh" it says the os_type UNIX pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 ******************************************************** Any advice or offers would be wonderful. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon May 24 22:59:27 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:36:55PM -0600 References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040524225926.A30753@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines > http://www.openpa.net/systems/c100.html > I plugged them in and turned them on they seamed to coming up, but the > display will not sync is it trying to start X-windows (graphical login)? or just console (text) login? > ******************************************************** > I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) > http://www.openpa.net/systems/ultralight.html > I didn't turn it on as I don't have a terminal or could I use a laptop with > a serial port and get to it. > I'm not sure how to get it to display... ??? yeah, those were a heavy beast, but really just an oversized/overpriced PC. it's been a while but I think minicom on a linux laptop (or any other vt100 capable terminal program) should work. Try 9600-8N1. I think that's what the old HP terminals ran at. If not try 9600-7E1. I seem to remember HP being "different". > ******************************************************** > An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> prompt > I did a "sh" it says the > os_type UNIX > pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 that might be a firmware prompt. You might try typing 'boot' or maybe just 'b' to see if it will boot into a running OS. again, it's been a while... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue May 25 00:19:06 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <40B2D74A.1070405@visi.com> I just looked up the HPPA machines http://www.openpa.net/linux.html Debian and Gentoo have distributions http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-hppa.xml Whodathunk. Sam. Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines > http://www.openpa.net/systems/c100.html > I plugged them in and turned them on they seamed to coming up, but the > display will not sync > ******************************************************** > > I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) > http://www.openpa.net/systems/ultralight.html > I didn't turn it on as I don't have a terminal or could I use a laptop > with > a serial port and get to it. > I'm not sure how to get it to display... ??? > ******************************************************** > > An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> > prompt > I did a "sh" it says the > os_type UNIX > pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 > ******************************************************** > > Any advice or offers would be wonderful. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue May 25 06:40:36 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: <20040524193627.GC12337@fandre.com> References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> <20040520181150.GC10839@fandre.com> <20040524193627.GC12337@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:36:27 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > I just got confirmation that VMware will be bringing 5 free copies of > VMware workstation to raffle off at the meeting. Also, all members > will receive $100 off the price of VMware W/S. (which is currently at > $189) > > So be sure to be there! Which day is it? the 5th or 6th? - the mn-linux.org fornt page says the 6th and the meeting page says the 5th. > > -- Clay > > On Thu, 20 May 2004, Clay Fandre wrote: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 25 07:46:42 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <1085489197.19438.6.camel@unixws1> > An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> prompt > I did a "sh" it says the > os_type UNIX > pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 > ******************************************************** Indeed it does ;) I've run both NetBSD and Linux on a couple of DEC systems. It's been awhile, but I can probably help you out to get something loaded if you want. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 25 08:36:12 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> > > Sorry, that's no longer necessarily true. All they have to do is claim that > > it is in some way related to terrorism and they can do whatever they want. > > > > Welcome to the land of the free. > > > > -- > > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > > > They still need a warrant. The real concern would be rubberstamp judges. > > SNEAK AND PEEK SEARCH WARRANTS AND THE USA PATRIOT ACT > http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/37patriot.html Exactly. That's the distinction I was making - Bloomington Police would be dissappointed if they were to walk into Sihope and ask for e-mail records without a warrant, just as St. Paul police would be to try and search my home without one (not that I have anything to hide - they're welcome in my home, and I make an effort to provide cold water/soda or hot coffee when they're trolling the 'hood on the weekends). Whether they have enough supporting evidence to get the warrant issued isn't my problem (at Sihope anyways). Or whether it's a "rubber stamp" judge, as Randy mentioned, or some ridiculous provision of the patriot act that trivializes probably cause and eases the warrant process. In some way, shape, or form, the judges were appointed, the laws constructed, and the law carried out, by people we elected into office. This is precisely why I don't vote :) I can't be held responsible for the screw-ups that get elected. But I also lose my right to complain about them. That said, if law enforcement shows up with a warrant, they get precisely what the warrant outlines. Probably after ID checked and photocopied, and badges verified with the appropriate agencies. Breaking laws because you don't agree with them is fine for dirty hippies smoking the magic dragon in a VW bus, but civil disobedience has little place in business, and is best left to said hippies (they're expendable). Stupid dirty hippies. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue May 25 09:35:16 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) In-Reply-To: References: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> <1085061828.7743.43.camel@unixws1> <20040520181150.GC10839@fandre.com> <20040524193627.GC12337@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040525143516.GD25371@fandre.com> Sorry about that. It's the 5th. Saturday, June 5th, 2004. On Tue, 25 May 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:36:27 -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > >I just got confirmation that VMware will be bringing 5 free copies of > >VMware workstation to raffle off at the meeting. Also, all members > >will receive $100 off the price of VMware W/S. (which is currently at > >$189) > > > >So be sure to be there! > > Which day is it? the 5th or 6th? - the mn-linux.org fornt page says the > 6th and the meeting page says the 5th. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue May 25 09:32:11 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2D74A.1070405@visi.com> References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> <40B2D74A.1070405@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040525143211.GC25371@fandre.com> Yea, I've run PA-Linux on a few different machines. The only problem is it doesn't work with the higher-end graphics cards that most of the HP workstations come with. But it works great as a server. Let me know if you need any help getting it running. -- Clay On Mon, 24 May 2004, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just looked up the HPPA machines > http://www.openpa.net/linux.html > Debian and Gentoo have distributions > > http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-hppa.xml > > Whodathunk. > > Sam. > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines > > http://www.openpa.net/systems/c100.html > >I plugged them in and turned them on they seamed to coming up, but the > >display will not sync > >******************************************************** > > > >I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) > > http://www.openpa.net/systems/ultralight.html > >I didn't turn it on as I don't have a terminal or could I use a laptop > >with > >a serial port and get to it. > >I'm not sure how to get it to display... ??? > >******************************************************** > > > >An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > >It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> > >prompt > >I did a "sh" it says the > >os_type UNIX > >pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 > >******************************************************** > > > >Any advice or offers would be wonderful. > > > >Sam. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue May 25 10:47:41 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain References: <40B1E53E.6010109@lorenburlingame.com> <002501c4418c$0a8c24c0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <002201c4426f$9d1bbba0$321d590a@nic.target.com> From: "Tim Sinks" Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Stopping a spammer from using my domain > This is a problem coming probably from overseas. The originator has gotten > mine, also. > The people are using a program which uses a lot of fake intermixed with > actual addresses for covering up the sender and obfuscating the actual > sender. They ask to have you click on a site line in the text or they have > an attachment. The fake ones are made up in a word/sentence generator, which > gives them an off-the-wall feel to them. I have been receiving these since > about the end of March. I believe they came from an ad or survey I took > about then or it came from the capture of someone's mail info that had my > address in it. The spam programs haven't stopped this one. > Also, be aware the message using your ISP, with an attachment, asking for > info or to open the attachment is being sent out again. This was making the > rounds last year. > If you train your baysian filters [in you spam filtering program like SpamAssassin], you will be able to filter even these emails. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 25 14:24:15 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:36:12AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > That said, if law enforcement shows up with a warrant, they get > precisely what the warrant outlines. Probably after ID checked and > photocopied, and badges verified with the appropriate agencies. > I'm glad Sihope cares so much about its users privacy. When the RIAA came looking for names, did you blindly cave in to them as well? Verizon didn't: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-960838.html?tag=cd_mh As a business owner, I expect my privacy to be protected. Instead of blindly accepting a piece of paper, maybe you should consider what the law actually is and do your best to make sure that it is, in fact, legal. > Breaking laws because you don't agree with them is fine for dirty > hippies smoking the magic dragon in a VW bus, but civil disobedience has > little place in business, and is best left to said hippies (they're > expendable). Stupid dirty hippies. Exactly the reason Sihope would never get my business. Companies and individuals alike need to be aware of their rights, and make sure they're being protected. Not throw them away at the drop of a hat. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eric at lgthouse.com Tue May 25 14:43:49 2004 From: eric at lgthouse.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <40B27C49.6020103@nwaalpa.org> Message-ID: <3034.160.94.198.186.1085514229.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> I am copying to a non HFS partition. Should I be worried about files ending with .doc, .pdf, and other similar files? Thanks. > OS X relies on the file extension, so as long as you have .doc, .pdf, etc. > added to the file name, you shouldn't have problems. > > I have not worked with rsyncX, so I am not sure how it transfers the > files, > but I think it is supposed to copy the resource forks too. If you are > copying to a non HFS partition though, that is where they may get lost. > > > Mike > > > On 5/24/04 5:50 PM, "Steve Swantz" wrote: > >> Eric Peterson wrote: >> >>> I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but the >>> whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the >>> documents >>> are Word documents if that helps. >>> >>> >>> >> I've been using rsyncX (check www.versiontracker.com) to rsync between >> Macs and from some Linux boxes to a Mac. Not sure about putting files >> with a resource fork on a Linux box - maybe rsyncX to an HFS partition >> on a Linux box? >> >> rsyncX will overwrite Apples rsync, so be sure to make a copy first. >> >> Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Tue May 25 15:11:03 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <1085515810.9107.6.camel@localhost> The Alpha is a nice box. I have ran OpenBSD and NetBSD on them as well as Debian. Indeed, typeing 'boot' will boot the default install. I can help you get something on it if you want. CHeers, ~J On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 23:36, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines > http://www.openpa.net/systems/c100.html > I plugged them in and turned them on they seamed to coming up, but the > display will not sync > ******************************************************** > > I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) > http://www.openpa.net/systems/ultralight.html > I didn't turn it on as I don't have a terminal or could I use a laptop with > a serial port and get to it. > I'm not sure how to get it to display... ??? > ******************************************************** > > An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > It boots to a screen with a blue back ground, white text with a >>> prompt > I did a "sh" it says the > os_type UNIX > pal VMS PALcode V1.20-4, OSV PALcode V1.22-6 > ******************************************************** > > Any advice or offers would be wonderful. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 25 15:16:25 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1085516184.19438.135.camel@unixws1> You are once again reading and interpreting as you want it to be, rather than what I really said. I care very much about my users' privacy. I require a warrant or subpoena, signed by a judge, to give out information, and would check out the validity of the law enforcement that shows up to carry it out. I would not give out information to the RIAA based on an invokation of the DMCA. I would require law enforcement to present me with a warrant or subpoena issued by a judge. I do not recognize an RIAA-issued subpoena as valid, since it doesn't meet either criteria. If the RIAA raises a stink about this, then they will need to speak with our lawyers. This is precisely what Verizon did. The point I was actually making was that, with proper documentation (outlined above, DMCA aside, as in my original context before it was mutilated), the alternative is to be arrested and have the feds forcibly remove my equipment and take it to a lab to get what they want. I have to serve all of my customers, not just the l33t h4x0rs and music pirates. On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 14:24, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:36:12AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > That said, if law enforcement shows up with a warrant, they get > > precisely what the warrant outlines. Probably after ID checked and > > photocopied, and badges verified with the appropriate agencies. > > > > I'm glad Sihope cares so much about its users privacy. > > When the RIAA came looking for names, did you blindly cave in to them > as well? Verizon didn't: > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-960838.html?tag=cd_mh > > As a business owner, I expect my privacy to be protected. Instead of blindly > accepting a piece of paper, maybe you should consider what the law actually is > and do your best to make sure that it is, in fact, legal. > > > > Breaking laws because you don't agree with them is fine for dirty > > hippies smoking the magic dragon in a VW bus, but civil disobedience has > > little place in business, and is best left to said hippies (they're > > expendable). Stupid dirty hippies. > > Exactly the reason Sihope would never get my business. Companies and > individuals alike need to be aware of their rights, and make sure they're > being protected. Not throw them away at the drop of a hat. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue May 25 15:30:09 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1085517007.19438.145.camel@unixws1> Oh yeah, I missed this part: > > Breaking laws because you don't agree with them is fine for dirty > > hippies smoking the magic dragon in a VW bus, but civil disobedience has > > little place in business, and is best left to said hippies (they're > > expendable). Stupid dirty hippies. > > Exactly the reason Sihope would never get my business. Companies and > individuals alike need to be aware of their rights, and make sure they're > being protected. Not throw them away at the drop of a hat. Oh please. Again, take my statements in the correct context. With the proper legal paperwork outlined in my previous message, and law enforcement present, do you really think your cable company is going to lose their business to protect you, by refusing to comply with a court order? I would have to graciously refuse your business - I can't afford you as a customer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue May 25 17:55:35 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <16563.52967.790312.348712@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Maloney writes: >> > Sorry, that's no longer necessarily true. All they have to do is claim that >> > it is in some way related to terrorism and they can do whatever they want. >> > >> > Welcome to the land of the free. >> > >> > -- >> > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified >> >> >> They still need a warrant. The real concern would be >> rubberstamp judges. Actually, that's only partly true now. See the EFF on the Patriot Act:
Section 217: It used to be that in order to intercept your private electronic communications in a computer-crime investigation, the FBI had to seek permission from a court. No more. Now, so long as a computer service provider merely claims you are "trespassing" on its network, the FBI is free to intercept your private communications as it so chooses.
Plus there's Homeland Security Act, Section 225:
Communications providers now need only a "good faith" belief that there is a life-threatening emergency to justify the disclosure of your communications and records. This belief could be based solely on the representations of a government agent claiming that there is such an emergency -- whether or not that is actually the case. This kind of abuse has already occurred: one Department of Justice attorney said he needed information to investigate a terror threat when he actually was investigating a bank robbery, while another agent cited a bio-terrorism threat in what turned out to be a drug sting.
AND there's Patriot Act Section 215:
What PATRIOT 215 Does Section 215 allows the FBI secretly to order anyone to turn over business records or any other "tangible things," so long as the FBI tells the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court that the information sought is "for an authorized investigation...to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities." These demands for records come with a "gag order" prohibiting the recipient from telling anyone, ever, that they received a Section 215 order. How PATRIOT 215 Changed the Law Secret orders to turn over business records were available from the FISA court before the PATRIOT Act. However, this extreme power secretly to demand private records was checked by two key safeguards. First, the FBI could only get a few types of records that were of particular use in investigating terrorists and spies -- records belonging to hotels, motels, car and truck rental agencies, and storage rental facilities. Second, the FBI had to present to the FISA court "specific and articulable facts giving reason to believe that the person to whom the records pertain[ed]" was a spy or terrorist. Section 215 removed these safeguards. Now, the FBI can use a secret order to get anything, "including books, records, papers, documents, and other items." Nor does the FBI still need actual facts to show that you may be a spy or terrorist. Instead, these secret orders can now be used to investigate anyone, even a U.S. citizen not suspected of any crime, so long as the FBI certifies to the FISA court that the records are sought for a terrorism or espionage investigation. The FISA court must issue the order if the FBI so certifies, even when there are no facts to back it up.
NOTE THAT Section 215 means NO SEARCH WARRANT NECESSARY. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue May 25 18:11:07 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1085526666.22043.17.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 14:24, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > As a business owner, I expect my privacy to be protected. Instead of blindly > accepting a piece of paper, maybe you should consider what the law actually is > and do your best to make sure that it is, in fact, legal. LOL. As a business owner, after verifying that the "piece of paper" "is, in fact, legal", would you blindly throw away your business by violating the the law to protect the privacy of your customers??? Your privacy rights are defined by the law, not by you. If the law says "Show me the mail" then the mail they will see, no matter who your provider is. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue May 25 18:52:32 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <1085526666.22043.17.camel@lotsa> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085526666.22043.17.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040525235232.GF20965@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 06:11:07PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > LOL. As a business owner, after verifying that the "piece of paper" "is, > in fact, legal", would you blindly throw away your business by violating > the the law to protect the privacy of your customers??? No, but I will turn it over to our lawyer for clarification on exactly what we're required to turn over. At that point the law enforcement agency will receive the bare minimum required to fulfill the warrant. > > Your privacy rights are defined by the law, not by you. If the law says > "Show me the mail" then the mail they will see, no matter who your > provider is. My privacy rights have been continually eroded by people who like the motto "if you've got nothing to hide, why do you care?". Unfortunately those people are short sighted sheep. If the warrant says 'give me a record of who customer X has been emailing' /var/log/maillog should be turned over with the appropriate grep regex, not a copy of /var/spool/mail/customerX > Tom Penney -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Tue May 25 15:27:39 2004 From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux In-Reply-To: <3034.160.94.198.186.1085514229.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> Message-ID: No. You just need to make sure that you have the extensions. Watch when you go to save a file. Most applications will have a checkbox to hide the extension, so when you save a file as document1, in Word, it will save it as document1.doc. As for any of the files that you are having problems opening, just add the file extension to them, and you should be good to go. If you have the file extensions, then OS X will match them with the applications. Apple stopped relying on resource forks so that you wouldn't have problems like this. Change is always a problem though. On 5/25/04 2:43 PM, "Eric Peterson" wrote: > I am copying to a non HFS partition. Should I be worried about files > ending with .doc, .pdf, and other similar files? > > Thanks. > >> OS X relies on the file extension, so as long as you have .doc, .pdf, etc. >> added to the file name, you shouldn't have problems. >> >> I have not worked with rsyncX, so I am not sure how it transfers the >> files, >> but I think it is supposed to copy the resource forks too. If you are >> copying to a non HFS partition though, that is where they may get lost. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> On 5/24/04 5:50 PM, "Steve Swantz" wrote: >> >>> Eric Peterson wrote: >>> >>>> I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but the >>>> whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the >>>> documents >>>> are Word documents if that helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I've been using rsyncX (check www.versiontracker.com) to rsync between >>> Macs and from some Linux boxes to a Mac. Not sure about putting files >>> with a resource fork on a Linux box - maybe rsyncX to an HFS partition >>> on a Linux box? >>> >>> rsyncX will overwrite Apples rsync, so be sure to make a copy first. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Tue May 25 19:59:41 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (maybe) In-Reply-To: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> References: <40B2CD67.8060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040526005940.GA17518@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:36:55PM -0600, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just picked (heavy) up 2 HP 9000 C110 machines > [...] > I also picked up (darn heavy) an HP 9000 D Class (D350/2) > [...] > An I picked up (very heavy) a Digital Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 > [...] > Any advice or offers would be wonderful. Maybe you should get one of those back support weight-lifting belts. :) -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Tue May 25 22:23:04 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slow video playback on Nvidia cards fixed Message-ID: <40B40D98.2010803@cascopoint.com> Hi, in case anybody is wondering I asked about couple of days ago, I had X proccess eating all my CPU when playing video using an Nvidia proprietary driver, it looks like it is fixed in a 1.0-5336 release of divers on http://www.sh.nu/download/nvidia . Looks like it it affects VIA base motherboards and Nvidia chipsets. Now it is the same as using nv driver. and by the way does anybody know any cool opengl screesavers besides reallyslick? Anton _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eric at lgthouse.com Wed May 26 10:53:35 2004 From: eric at lgthouse.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <3034.160.94.198.186.1085514229.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> Message-ID: <3568.160.94.198.186.1085586815.squirrel@webmail.mordant.com> Great! Thank you for your very useful reply. Regards, Eric > No. You just need to make sure that you have the extensions. Watch when > you > go to save a file. Most applications will have a checkbox to hide the > extension, so when you save a file as document1, in Word, it will save it > as > document1.doc. As for any of the files that you are having problems > opening, > just add the file extension to them, and you should be good to go. > > If you have the file extensions, then OS X will match them with the > applications. Apple stopped relying on resource forks so that you wouldn't > have problems like this. Change is always a problem though. > > > On 5/25/04 2:43 PM, "Eric Peterson" wrote: > >> I am copying to a non HFS partition. Should I be worried about files >> ending with .doc, .pdf, and other similar files? >> >> Thanks. >> >>> OS X relies on the file extension, so as long as you have .doc, .pdf, >>> etc. >>> added to the file name, you shouldn't have problems. >>> >>> I have not worked with rsyncX, so I am not sure how it transfers the >>> files, >>> but I think it is supposed to copy the resource forks too. If you are >>> copying to a non HFS partition though, that is where they may get lost. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> On 5/24/04 5:50 PM, "Steve Swantz" wrote: >>> >>>> Eric Peterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but >>>>> the >>>>> whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the >>>>> documents >>>>> are Word documents if that helps. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've been using rsyncX (check www.versiontracker.com) to rsync between >>>> Macs and from some Linux boxes to a Mac. Not sure about putting files >>>> with a resource fork on a Linux box - maybe rsyncX to an HFS partition >>>> on a Linux box? >>>> >>>> rsyncX will overwrite Apples rsync, so be sure to make a copy first. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>>> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed May 26 11:23:56 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP classroom training In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B4C49C.2010607@mn.rr.com> Hello, I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of a company that offers ldap classroom training (preferable based on Openldap) ? It's one of those things i just really have not been able to understand much beyond that fact that it's a directory service but things like schema's and classes have just been beyond me. I think this is just one of those things i need someone to explained to me. Seems like just about eery open source package can now interface with a backend ldap directory. Our open source mail server uses it for authentication and i think it would be really useful to get to know it better. Anyway, if anyone knows of a good class or even a CBT would be great, i have a book called LDAP directories explained by Brian Arkills but that's just not enough. Thanks, > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed May 26 12:29:35 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP classroom training In-Reply-To: <40B4C49C.2010607@mn.rr.com> References: <40B4C49C.2010607@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <40B4D3FF.3060505@cruiskeen.com> Mike Partyka wrote: > > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of a company that offers ldap > classroom training (preferable based on Openldap) ? > > It's one of those things i just really have not been able to understand > much beyond that fact that it's a directory service but things like > schema's and classes have just been beyond me. I think this is just one > of those things i need someone to explained to me. Seems like just about > eery open source package can now interface with a backend ldap > directory. Our open source mail server uses it for authentication and i > think it would be really useful to get to know it better. > > Anyway, if anyone knows of a good class or even a CBT would be great, i > have a book called LDAP directories explained by Brian Arkills but > that's just not enough. > > Thanks, > >> I don't know about classes, but if you want a book that is a little more practically oriented (that is, shows you how to set up the configs and that is less theory-oriented) you might want to go to a book store and look at LDAP System Administration by Gerald Carter. (O'Reilly, ISBN 1-56592-491-6) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mike.Tuller at anoka.k12.mn.us Tue May 25 11:24:27 2004 From: Mike.Tuller at anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac OS X resource forks and Linux In-Reply-To: <40B27C49.6020103@nwaalpa.org> Message-ID: OS X relies on the file extension, so as long as you have .doc, .pdf, etc. added to the file name, you shouldn't have problems. I have not worked with rsyncX, so I am not sure how it transfers the files, but I think it is supposed to copy the resource forks too. If you are copying to a non HFS partition though, that is where they may get lost. Mike On 5/24/04 5:50 PM, "Steve Swantz" wrote: > Eric Peterson wrote: > >> I now want to sync the same files with a Mac OS X workstation, but the >> whole resource fork problem is getting in the way. Most of the documents >> are Word documents if that helps. >> >> >> > I've been using rsyncX (check www.versiontracker.com) to rsync between > Macs and from some Linux boxes to a Mac. Not sure about putting files > with a resource fork on a Linux box - maybe rsyncX to an HFS partition > on a Linux box? > > rsyncX will overwrite Apples rsync, so be sure to make a copy first. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From anderiv at bethel.edu Wed May 26 14:23:12 2004 From: anderiv at bethel.edu (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: OSCON-2004 information Message-ID: <40B4EEA0.9070202@bethel.edu> I just recieved this from O'Reilly...the gist of it is that LUG members can get a 20% discount on admission to OSCON. I'll be registering for the conference in the next day or two. Has anyone been to OSCON in the past? Was it a good experience? O'Reilly Open Source Convention Early Bird Discount--Ends June 18 User Group members who register before June 18, 2004 get a double discount. Use code DSUG when you register, and you'll get 20% off the "Early Bird" price. To register, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2004/create/ord_os04 O'Reilly Open Source Convention Portland Marriott Downtown Portland, OR July 26-30, 2004 http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed May 26 14:31:35 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP classroom training In-Reply-To: <40B4D3FF.3060505@cruiskeen.com> References: <40B4C49C.2010607@mn.rr.com> <40B4D3FF.3060505@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <40B4F097.5050503@mn.rr.com> Hmm, that's worth a try, the book i have did get good ratings on Amazon.com but if it's more practical then maybe it's what i need to get over the hump on LDAP. I'd still love to have someone just explain it to me though, so if anyone knows of a class, i'd still lvoe to hear about it. Thanks, Steve Hanson wrote: > Mike Partyka wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of a company that offers >> ldap classroom training (preferable based on Openldap) ? >> >> It's one of those things i just really have not been able to >> understand much beyond that fact that it's a directory service but >> things like schema's and classes have just been beyond me. I think >> this is just one of those things i need someone to explained to me. >> Seems like just about eery open source package can now interface with >> a backend ldap directory. Our open source mail server uses it for >> authentication and i think it would be really useful to get to know >> it better. >> >> Anyway, if anyone knows of a good class or even a CBT would be great, >> i have a book called LDAP directories explained by Brian Arkills but >> that's just not enough. >> >> Thanks, >> >>> > > I don't know about classes, but if you want a book that is a little > more practically oriented (that is, shows you how to set up the > configs and that is less theory-oriented) you might want to go to a > book store and look at LDAP System Administration by Gerald Carter. > (O'Reilly, ISBN 1-56592-491-6) > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Wed May 26 14:23:27 2004 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LDAP classroom training In-Reply-To: <40B4D3FF.3060505@cruiskeen.com> References: <40B4C49C.2010607@mn.rr.com> <40B4D3FF.3060505@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <1085599264.9549.9.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 12:29, Steve Hanson wrote: > Mike Partyka wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of a company that offers ldap > > classroom training (preferable based on Openldap) ? > > > > It's one of those things i just really have not been able to understand > > much beyond that fact that it's a directory service but things like > > schema's and classes have just been beyond me. I think this is just one > > of those things i need someone to explained to me. Seems like just about > > eery open source package can now interface with a backend ldap > > directory. Our open source mail server uses it for authentication and i > > think it would be really useful to get to know it better. > > > > Anyway, if anyone knows of a good class or even a CBT would be great, i > > have a book called LDAP directories explained by Brian Arkills but > > that's just not enough. > > > > Thanks, > > > >> > > I don't know about classes, but if you want a book that is a > little more practically oriented (that is, shows you how to > set up the configs and that is less theory-oriented) you > might want to go to a book store and look at LDAP System > Administration by Gerald Carter. (O'Reilly, ISBN 1-56592-491-6) > > Heh, thanks for the endorsment. Never seen the book, but I just ordered it from BarnesandNoble.com for $26.56 a few days ago. I just setup a Cyrus+Postfix+Ldap system, and figured I should actually learn how LDAP works. Plus I understand Samba can be integrated into it too, and figured Gerald Carter ought to know how :) ~jh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eskogen at usfamily.net Thu May 6 11:40:27 2004 From: eskogen at usfamily.net (Eric Skogen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bittorrent help In-Reply-To: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> References: <20040505170727.GA4762@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <40994DAC.3010009@usfamily.net> There's a nice bittorrent client at http://azureus.sourceforge.net/. Jay Kline wrote: > Ok- so I tried to use bittorrent again today, and had no luck. The > documentation is very limited... is there a quick tutorial somewhere on > how to get downloading with it? Or does someone have any tips? > > Everytime I try to run it, I get suck at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" > forever. Running the bittorrent dist out of debian testing. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eskogen at usfamily.net Mon May 17 12:09:31 2004 From: eskogen at usfamily.net (Eric Skogen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo+alsa+emu10k1 driver In-Reply-To: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> References: <407315FB.8010203@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <40988A9B.4010701@usfamily.net> Have you tried using the plughw option instead of hw? I had a similar problem with my Delta 66 card. As I understand it, my card expects all the audio it receives to be in 32-bit format, and most programs won't send it the audio it wants. By using something like "aplay -D plughw:0" (for card 0) you can tell alsa to do the conversion for you before it gets sent to the card. I wrote up a little doc on my problem (which involved weird card numbers and plug layers) here: http://www.audionerd.com/projects/pd/tips Hope it helps. If not, try posting your .asoundrc and the output of aplay -l. Eric Erik Anderson wrote: > I've already asked #gentoo and the gentoo.org forums this question, and > no one seems to know...so I thought I'd try here: > > I'm trying to get my SB Live Value card working. I have followed the > gentoo-alsa config doc found here: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml > > When I start up alsa, everything looks fine. The modules load with no > errors. However, when I try to play/record/etc, I get this: > > lpdlnx01 tmp # arecord -d 3 -c2 -r16000 -f S16_LE test.wav > Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, > Stereo > arecord: pcm_read:1164: read error: Input/output error > > I get the same error when I try to play a wav file. > > Here's the output of lsmod in case that helps: > > > lpdlnx01 tmp # lsmod > Module Size Used by Not tainted > snd-pcm-oss 39236 0 (unused) > snd-mixer-oss 13528 0 [snd-pcm-oss] > snd-seq-midi 3776 0 (autoclean) (unused) > snd-emu10k1-synth 4796 0 (autoclean) (unused) > snd-emux-synth 28956 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] > snd-seq-midi-emul 5008 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] > snd-seq-virmidi 3128 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth] > snd-emu10k1 76484 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1-synth] > snd-pcm 64324 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1] > snd-page-alloc 6612 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm] > snd-util-mem 1408 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] > snd-rawmidi 14176 0 (autoclean) [snd-seq-midi > snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1] > snd-hwdep 4640 0 (autoclean) [snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1] > snd-ac97-codec 48220 0 (autoclean) [snd-emu10k1] > snd-seq-oss 27360 0 (unused) > snd-seq-midi-event 3776 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-virmidi > snd-seq-oss] > snd-seq 40464 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth > snd-seq-midi-emul snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > snd-timer 15524 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] > snd-seq-device 4176 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-emu10k1-synth > snd-emux-synth snd-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq] > snd 34180 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss > snd-seq-midi snd-emux-synth snd-seq-virmidi snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm > snd-util-mem snd-rawmidi snd-hwdep snd-ac97-codec snd-seq-oss > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device] > soundcore 4228 10 [snd] > > > Thanks- > Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed May 19 20:16:04 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting (VMware) Message-ID: <20040520011604.GA25879@fandre.com> VMware would like to know how many might attend the presentation, so please take a minute to fill out the poll below. http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=3 Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday June 5th, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: VMware will be coming to talk about their various products. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djb at tc.umn.edu Tue May 18 23:09:31 2004 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting May 20 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- Strictly Business Technology Expo June 9 & 10, 2004 Minneapolis Convention Center TCSA (along with TCLUG) is participating at the Strictly Business Technology Expo, this June 9 & 10 in booth #537 at the Minneapolis Convention Center. VISIT http://www.strictlybusinessexpo.com/ for FREE registration and details. Co-Located With: Mid-America PrintEXPO ----- Next Meeting: Topic: Storage Connectivity Speaker: Tom Kodet, LSI Logic Date/Time: May 20, 2004 7:00 pm Location: France Place Synopsis: Tom Kodet from LSI Logic will talk about Storage Connectivity concepts. We will meet at the France Place Building, 3601 Minnesota Drive, in a conference room one floor down from street level on level "P" (underground Parking). Our conference room will be the first one that you see. Tentative Meeting Schedule June 17, 2004 July 15, 2004 Directions: The France Place Building is at 3601 Minnesota Drive on the northeast corner of Hwy 494 and France Avenue in the Bloomington business district. From 494, go north on France Ave. to Minnesota Drive (the first streetlight north of 494). Take a right (east) onto Minnesota Drive and immediately take another right into the parking lot. The building sign is visible from 494 and shares a parking lot with Fuddruckers. France Place is a nine story brown brick building. - Parking Free parking is available in the main lot. - Web map is at: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=3601+minnesota+drive&city=bloomington&state=mn&zipcode=55435 For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: djb@tc.umn.edu or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed May 12 19:53:00 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beginning Linux Classes Message-ID: <1209.192.1.1.23.1084409580.squirrel@dccmn.com> Heritage Christian Academy has been using Linux in several different applications, as a firewall, network gateway, web server, e-mail server, VPN, and even a database for both a production environment and for classes. We'd like to give back to the Linux community, by holding a set of Beginning Linux classes. This will including things like installing, configuring, and networking. Classes are on various Saturday mornings at Heritage Christian Academy's computer lab in Plymouth. There is no cost, but we would appreciate a donation if you feel the class was beneficial. This is something of an experiment, so it's likely to be very informal (although shirt and shoes are required). Further info can be found on the ACETT web site (http://www.acett.net/linux). _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun May 16 01:33:01 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeetings canceled Message-ID: due to the lack of interest, there will no longer be tclug beermeetings. I had a great time at the beermeetings and it was a lot of fun meeting people in real life and being able to associate faces with names. Unfortunately it seems that people are no longer interested in these meetings and/or do not have the time for them anymore and as such and until more interest is shown i will no longer schedule beermeetings. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu May 27 11:07:20 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] source /etc/profile Message-ID: First off, I'm using gentoo with kde. When I open a command prompt I get the ugly no color bash prompt. I can do "source /etc/profile" to change that. So, I added that to my .bashrc file. I'm guessing this is the wrong way to do this. What would be the "right" way? Or more appropriate way? -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 27 11:29:46 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] source /etc/profile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040527162946.GI3828@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu May 27 11:32:53 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] source /etc/profile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I mean an xterm (konsole). I guess conventional was what I meant... that's why I had "right" way in "'s. I think windows is probably the same way, it's just all gui based so you don't really give you much of a choice of doing things another way. You can do all sort of weird shell (dos, whatever) things in windows too. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:25 AM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] source /etc/profile > > > Josh Close wrote: > > First off, I'm using gentoo with kde. > > > > When I open a command prompt I get the ugly no color bash > prompt. I can do > > "source /etc/profile" to change that. So, I added that to > my .bashrc file. > > when you say you open a command prompt do you mean you start > an xterm or > the like? > > try xterm -ls and see what happens. > > > I'm guessing this is the wrong way to do this. What would be the > > "right" way? Or more appropriate way? > > unlike windows, in unix there really isn't a right way of > doing things, > you do what works for you; though it is usually wise to > follow conventions. > > -- > Munir Nassar > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Thu May 27 12:38:12 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] source /etc/profile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B62784.6020405@comcast.net> Josh Close wrote: >>>First off, I'm using gentoo with kde. >>> >>> Gentoo is the bestest! Long live distro wars! :) >>>When I open a command prompt I get the ugly no color bash >>> >>> >>prompt. I can do >> >> >>>"source /etc/profile" to change that. So, I added that to >>> >>> >>my .bashrc file. >> >>when you say you open a command prompt do you mean you start >>an xterm or >>the like? >> >>try xterm -ls and see what happens. >> >> > I'm guessing this is the wrong way to do this. What would be the >> > "right" way? Or more appropriate way? >> >> Hey Josh, I'm using gentoo myself and there are a lot of "tricks" to get around this sort of thing, but who wants to run xterm -ls everytime? Of course you could just set it up as an alias using the alias command ... but ... eww. The standard convention is to use .Xdefaults in your home directory (since you're using X). You will like this, I promise you. The format looks something like this: ----BEGIN---- # Font XTerm*faceSize: 10 # Colors XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: white XTerm*cursorColor: goldenrod # Get rid of that annoying cursor blink, ugh! that is like *so* 80ish :) XTerm*cursorBlink: false # XTerm Options # this first option duplicates `xterm -ls` so you can just type `xterm` ... sort of like an alias # well who am I kidding? this whole file is an alias XTerm*loginShell: true XTerm*VT100*geometry: 80x25 XTerm*ScrollBar: on XTerm*TitleBar: on XTerm*AutoRaise: on XTerm*termtype: vt100 XTerm*ttyModes: intr ^c erase ^h susp ^@ dsusp ^@ kill ^u eof ^d # These will change the color in your man pages *VT100*colorUL: yellow *VT100*coloBD: purple ----END--- An important point to make is these options work for XTerm. If you want to set these for another term program like aterm or something then just replace XTerm for ATerm (or Aterm sorry). Do this in vim ---CODE--- vim ~/.Xdefaults :%s/XTerm/ATerm/g :wq ---/CODE--- Or using sed ---CODE--- cp ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xdefaults.bak; sed s/XTerm/Aterm/ ~/.Xdefaults > /tmp/tempfile.326; mv /tmp/tempfile.326 ~/.Xdefaults; ---/CODE--- Heh, since you are a KDE user, I would personally recommend you get Eterm, very much ... umm ... eye candy I guess it is. Just try emerge -p x11-terms/eterm. I am a WindowMaker kind of guy so I use rxvt. You might call it boring :) But take a look at the other terminal programs available to us at http://www.gentoo-portage.com/browse-portage.php?category=79 Hope that helps Adam Shrode _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu May 27 17:46:47 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405272246.i4RMklb02785@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Racks of different types 2 CIPRICO fully enclosed racks on castor wheels. 78" tall 35.5" deep 24" wide 67.5" internal rackmount space, 38U Pics here: 207.195.200.97/ciprico/ $125.00 each, OBO ------ 1 4-post rack, 45U outside measurements: 85" tall 31.5" deep 23" wide 79" internal rackmount space, 45U Example pic here: 207.195.200.97/4post/ $50 bare, or $75 with sides and doors ------ 1 4-post rack, 44U 83" tall 30" deep 22" wide 77" internal rackmount space, 44U $50 OBO ------ 5 small squarish racks, 10U 19.5" tall 24.5" deep 21" wide 17.5" internal rackmount space, 10U with front, rear panels, fans. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu May 27 20:28:45 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <00bc01c44453$1e594e00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > dovecot-imapd I recommend Binc IMAP instead of Dovecot: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lists-bincimap&m=104754292623483 I have used Binc for several projects and have been very happy with it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu May 27 20:36:16 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pop3 server recommendations? References: <40ACB94E.1060106@cdf123.com> <20040520142946.GG19988@wookimus.net><20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <40ACC883.3010402@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <00d001c44454$2b15d810$0201a8c0@brinstar> Erik Anderson writes: > I'd second that vote for Courier - I set up qmail/vpopmail/courier a > few weeks ago for the first time, and it was a cinch...courier also has > support for [IMAP|POP3] over SSL if you're interested. I haven't used > BincIMAP, so I can't say if it has support for SSL. Binc IMAP supports SSL. It has native support for checkpassword authentication. For qmail (vpopmail optional), it's definitely the way to go. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at workscited.net Thu May 27 17:54:30 2004 From: ben at workscited.net (ben@workscited.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dumping a MySQL database without MySQL? Message-ID: <20040527225430.22914.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net> Hi, folks. I have a backup copy of a MySQL database (half a dozen MyISAM tables and their indexes) from a server that is no longer active. I want to export the data as a series of SQL commands, as the mysqldump program would do, so that I can recreate the database on another server. I have two questions for the MySQL gurus on the list... 1) Is it possible to dump the data from MyISAM files without having a working MySQL server? (mysqldump seems to require mysql to be running) 2) If not, do any of you have a working MySQL server that you could use to dump the data for me? I'll make it worth your while. And yes, I have the passwords for the database. Thanks in advance! --Ben _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu May 27 20:47:15 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 serverrecommendations?) References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040520134232.000050ac@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > I've thought about taking a lot of my saved mailing list email > messages and putting them in MySQL or something and having a fulltext > search with a little web front end so I don't have to burden my > client so much when searching for messages, Maildir format messages > would make programming this application a little easier. This approach has worked well for at least one company: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/136214 I am only aware of one publicly available mail server that does this: http://dbmail.org/ I would do testing before I trusted it, though. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu May 27 21:29:00 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dumping a MySQL database without MySQL? In-Reply-To: <20040527225430.22914.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20040527225430.22914.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1085711339.578.21.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu May 27 21:38:38 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dumping a MySQL database without MySQL? In-Reply-To: <20040527225430.22914.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20040527225430.22914.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20040527213056.W91864@unix18.sihope.com> How big are the tables? I've got mysql running on a non-production, non-Sihope machine, but the 'lil sparky has only got about 800M free on it's largest partition. And I'm heading out of town early Saturday morning, so I'd need the data by mid-afternoon tomorrow at the latest. Feel free to follow up off-list if you want to arrange something. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 27 May 2004 ben@workscited.net wrote: > Hi, folks. I have a backup copy of a MySQL database (half a dozen > MyISAM tables and their indexes) from a server that is no longer active. > I want to export the data as a series of SQL commands, as the mysqldump > program would do, so that I can recreate the database on another server. > I have two questions for the MySQL gurus on the list... > > 1) Is it possible to dump the data from MyISAM files without having a > working MySQL server? (mysqldump seems to require mysql to be running) > > 2) If not, do any of you have a working MySQL server that you could use > to dump the data for me? I'll make it worth your while. And yes, I > have the passwords for the database. > > Thanks in advance! --Ben > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu May 27 22:03:31 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 serverrecommendations?) In-Reply-To: <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040520134232.000050ac@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> > I am only aware of one publicly available mail server that does this: > > http://dbmail.org/ IIRC and according to a friend, the-company-who-shall-not-be-named runs DBMail, and I believe at least one employee of t-c-w-s-n-b-n is on this list (Brett, inquiring minds want to know...) NetWinsite sells mail server software called DMail, which stores mail in a database (not MySQL - er, probably not). It's commercial software though. We license our news server software (DNews) from them, and their software/support pricing is reasonable. Actually you can probably get mail INTO the database pretty easily. A little procmail love and a very simple perl script that reads an mbox message on STDIN and you're done. This is more or less what OTRS does (www.otrs.org). In fact, OTRS alone might just do it for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri May 28 07:54:13 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 serverrecommendations?) In-Reply-To: <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040520134232.000050ac@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040528075413.0000587b@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:47:15 -0500 "David Phillips" wrote: > Josh Trutwin writes: > > I've thought about taking a lot of my saved mailing list email > > messages and putting them in MySQL or something and having a > > fulltext search with a little web front end so I don't have to > > burden my client so much when searching for messages, Maildir > > format messages would make programming this application a little > > easier. > > This approach has worked well for at least one company: > > http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/136214 > > I am only aware of one publicly available mail server that does > this: > > http://dbmail.org/ > > I would do testing before I trusted it, though. I've heard of this, though I cannot say I've heard how well it works. I'm not thinking of a mail server that stores all my messages in MySQL, more like a selective archive. I have a lot of old archived messages from various ML's I'm on that I keep because I come back to them once in a while to remember how to do something. I only want these messages indexed and offloaded to a database so I can query them when I cannot remember how that one xargs command worked or something. The point was that long after the mail had been delivered, with good use of IMAP server side folders and maildir message format it'd be pretty easy to move these old messages into MySQL. Anyway, enjoy the weekend! Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Fri May 28 09:14:22 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: dbmail details (was Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 serverrecommendations?)) In-Reply-To: <20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <200405280914.22538.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 27 May 2004 10:03 pm, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I am only aware of one publicly available mail server that does this: > > > > http://dbmail.org/ > > IIRC and according to a friend, the-company-who-shall-not-be-named runs > DBMail, and I believe at least one employee of t-c-w-s-n-b-n is on this > list (Brett, inquiring minds want to know...) We do use dbmail here. From what we have experienced dbmail works great. The project is constantly moving forward, and they have a very responsive devel team that is on their mailing list. Their are a few limitations: To do SSL with IMAP and POP3 you need to use stunnel right now. Native support for SSL is on the drawing board but has not been finalized. It does take a little beefy hardware to run the whole thing efficiently. I guess this really depends on how many concurrent connections you have. With us, we have a couple hundred people checking their mail per second. This means a lot of memory usage, since each user has at least a dbmail process, and a mysql process dedicated to them. There are some advantages though: Very easy to write admin tools for your email system, everything is stored in MySQL or PostgreSQL. Webmail is very fast; direct db access. Performance is excellent. Very stable, I don't think I have seen a crash in dbmail since I started testing it a couple years ago. Easy to backup. Very easy to scale up. Just add a high powered db backend, and clustered frontends and you are set to scale to almost any capability. Separate authentication scheme. The user database can be used for other SQL based authentication systems. For example, we use the user database of DBMail for our radius authentication. It is available for debian. :-) -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri May 28 09:31:28 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9: printing to smb printer Message-ID: <006701c444c0$7957e6f0$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Fri May 28 09:53:31 2004 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG] pop3 serverrecommendations?) In-Reply-To: <22256971.1085709580639.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040520134232.000050ac@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <22256971.1085709580639.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: <11409007.1085756015185.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 20:47, David Phillips wrote: > I am only aware of one publicly available mail server that does this: > > http://dbmail.org/ > > I would do testing before I trusted it, though. I am running apache james for our small company's (<50 users) email. http://james.apache.org/ I use the 2.2 branch...the stable version (2.1.3) and I had some disagreements. All mail is stored in postgresql in my setup. Easy to set up with another rdbms (or even mysql! ;) ). I chose it because 0) integrates with rdbms easily 1) *very* extensible if you know java...well documented and clean API tls and ldap are experimental at this point :(. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri May 28 10:04:55 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: dbmail details (was Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG]pop3 serverrecommendations?)) References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp><01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar><20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> <200405280914.22538.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bret Baptist writes: > To do SSL with IMAP and POP3 you need to use stunnel right now. That's actually an advantage. Why build SSL support into every program when it can be handled be a single program? Separation is good both from an engineering and security standpoint. > It does take a little beefy hardware to run the whole thing > efficiently. I guess this really depends on how many concurrent > connections you have. With us, we have a couple hundred people > checking their mail per second. I think you would need some beefy hardware for any mail system with several hundred concurrent users. > Webmail is very fast; direct db access. That is very nice. The typical webmail solution is an IMAP wrapper. While good from an engineering standpoint, it ends up having abysmal performance. > Very easy to scale up. Just add a high powered db backend, and > clustered frontends and you are set to scale to almost any capability. It is easy to scale the performance, but not the capacity. A big disadvantage is that you can't easily grow a MySQL database. The total available space must be available on one machine. I appreciate your comments. They give me an incentive to check out dbmail. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri May 28 10:35:49 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:04 2005 Subject: dbmail details (was Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG]pop3 serverrecommendations?)) In-Reply-To: <000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> <200405280914.22538.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1085758547.27042.167.camel@unixws1> > It is easy to scale the performance, but not the capacity. A big > disadvantage is that you can't easily grow a MySQL database. The total > available space must be available on one machine. I'm going to mention DMail again only because I think their approach to this was so good. And it looks like it's been renamed to SurgeMail since I last looked at it. DMail's solution was to have front-end POP3 proxy servers that the users actually talk to. Then the proxy servers decide which back-end database server to talk to based on the user, so you can scale to multiple back-end servers (and you can have redundant back-end servers, using whatever type of replication DBMail's backend database has). Another advantage of using the pop3 proxy in this manner is that you can migrate easily between your existing system and DMail - if the user needs to be transitioned, DMail will grab the mail from your old pop server (or from /var/mail or however), put it into it's database, and then serve the mail up to the user. A very cool and well-architected system. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri May 28 10:56:54 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9: printing to smb printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:31:28 -0500 > From: "Randy Clarksean" > So ... I manually grab the /etc/cups/printer.conf file from the working > machine ... put it on the wolf machine ... restart the system ... and > still no go. If I run the command "lpc status" on the wolf machine .. > it lists two printers and shows them sitting there. If I command line > print something it shows up in the que .. but never goes off to a > printer. I had this same issue with RH9 on my laptop (ThinkPad 600X). I couldn't spend a lot of time on it, but a little research got me nowhere. Upgrading to Fedora Core 1 and re-adding the printer made it work perfectly. I think there were some notes about fixing Samba browsing in the control panel. You might try updating that package. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri May 28 14:40:07 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1085773205.10901.169.camel@bigtime> > When the RIAA came looking for names, did you blindly cave in to them > as well? Verizon didn't: There's a difference between RIAA lawyers coming in with briefcases, and the FBI. There are clearly defined ways to resolve disputes with private parties. Mainly involving more lawyers. Whereas the FBI has badges. And guns. And handcuffs. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri May 28 14:34:11 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: dbmail details (was Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE: [TCLUG]pop3 serverrecommendations?)) In-Reply-To: <000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com> <200405280914.22538.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1085772843.10901.163.camel@bigtime> On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 10:04, David Phillips wrote: > Bret Baptist writes: > > To do SSL with IMAP and POP3 you need to use stunnel right now. > > That's actually an advantage. Why build SSL support into every program when > it can be handled be a single program? Separation is good both from an > engineering and security standpoint. Because then your daemon only sees connections coming in from localhost, buggering any kind of logging or access control based on IP or source port. Now it would be trivial to just have stunnel output the IP and source port upon connecting to the wrapped daemon and patch the daemon to use this information... ... But, SSL is on the way out anyway. TLS is preferred these days and that can't be implemented by a wrapper. I think partly the reason more OS software doesn't support SSL/TLS is that OpenSSL has been the only SSL library around for a while, which has license problems with GPL software, preventing more widespread use. Hopefully this will change now that gnutls is apparently usable, there's also mozilla-nss... But I think the REAL reason is SSL/TLS is "too hard" to implement. Clearly there needs to be a simplified library interface to allow basic encryption to be easily implemented... Is there any really good reason a TLS library can't be implemented with an API not much more complex than plain old sockets? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri May 28 14:34:05 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated rumpelstiltskin spam blacklist? Message-ID: <1085727509.10901.76.camel@bigtime> I'm noticing a lot of "Unrouteable address" lines in my exim4 rejectlog these days, and I just had a thought: wouldn't this be an excellent way to detect spammers? I did some googling but couldn't find anything quite like I'm thinking. The basic idea is simple: 1) Keep a list of IP's and how many attempts to send to an invalid address they've made. IP's who have made more than N attempts are most likely spammers. But we can get more advanced than that. 2) Also keep a list of how many emails each IP has sent to valid addresses. ip's with a high ratio of invalid/valid attempts are likely spammers. 3) Keep a list of the usernames they're blindly sending to. After a while you can derive the actual list the spammers are using. You can then give IP's a weighted score based on the usernames sent to. Though you'd definitely need to keep track of deleted/changed usernames and mail aliases on your domain and whitelist them, you don't want a deleted email address that was getting a lot of legit email to throw things off. This should work very well on small domains with only one or two addresses in use (like mine), may still work okay on a small company or ISP's domain, probably won't work at all on a large busy domain. Make a DNS blacklist out of this, and you've got yourself another metric for automated detection of spammer IP's. Completely passive, undetectable, get enough small sites submitting to the database and the spammer's only defense is to stop rumpelstiltskinning, at least unless they know its a big domain... Time for some perl and SQL... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri May 28 21:48:11 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <1085773205.10901.169.camel@bigtime> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085773205.10901.169.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040529024810.GH20965@momentum.poptix.net> On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 02:40:07PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > There's a difference between RIAA lawyers coming in with briefcases, and > the FBI. There are clearly defined ways to resolve disputes with private > parties. Mainly involving more lawyers. Whereas the FBI has badges. And > guns. And handcuffs. But 'it's the law', and questioning the law is better left to the 'hippies' because they're "expendable". -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri May 28 22:53:31 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smtp auth and debian In-Reply-To: <4098F36D.1020208@igi.com> References: <1083723449.8301.10.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <4098F36D.1020208@igi.com> Message-ID: <1085802811.7984.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat May 29 08:06:17 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040529024810.GH20965@momentum.poptix.net> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085773205.10901.169.camel@bigtime> <20040529024810.GH20965@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20040529080414.L76184@unix18.sihope.com> On Fri, 28 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > But 'it's the law', and questioning the law is better left to the 'hippies' > because they're "expendable". Now you're getting it. If I do the usenet snicker on a mailing list, would it lose it's effectiveness? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat May 29 11:49:09 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated rumpelstiltskin spam blacklist? References: <1085727509.10901.76.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <002201c4459c$dcb63580$0201a8c0@brinstar> Callum Lerwick writes: > I'm noticing a lot of "Unrouteable address" lines in my exim4 > rejectlog these days, and I just had a thought: wouldn't this be an > excellent way to detect spammers? No. It would be trivial to cause an innocent system to be listed. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat May 29 12:13:04 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: dbmail details (was Deathmatch: mbox v. maildir (was RE:[TCLUG]pop3 serverrecommendations?)) References: <20040520095050.00002559@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp><01dc01c44455$b3da8cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar><20040527214010.V91864@unix18.sihope.com><200405280914.22538.bbaptist@iexposure.com><000801c444c5$22993ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1085772843.10901.163.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <002701c445a0$34237780$0201a8c0@brinstar> Callum Lerwick writes: > Now it would be trivial to just have stunnel output the IP and source > port upon connecting to the wrapped daemon and patch the daemon to use > this information... sslserver already does this and will work with any program that follows the UCSPI interface: http://www.superscript.com/ucspi-ssl/sslserver.html > But I think the REAL reason is SSL/TLS is "too hard" to implement. > Clearly there needs to be a simplified library interface to allow > basic encryption to be easily implemented... I agree completely. I've been looking at implementing a minimal SSL library (the minimum required for HTTPS) using LibTomCrypt: http://libtomcrypt.org/ Something similar to MatrixSSL would be nice (only public domain instead of GPL): http://www.matrixssl.org/ MatrixSSL has a relatively simple socket API, though it's not suitable for all applications as it's blocking. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat May 29 16:36:27 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alpha Server Message-ID: <40B9025B.5050808@visi.com> Digital Alpha Server 1000a 5/333 Configuration: 1 - 333MHz 64bit Alpha processor "NORITAKE" 128mb RAM 5 PCI, 3 EISA slots Qlogic SCSI controller hard disk 0 hard disk 1 cdrom 2 hard disk 3 hard disk 4 hard disk 5 5 - 9 gig Seagate hard disks (Linux sees the hard disks as SDA, SDB, SDC, SDD, SDE) I've never even touched an Alpha processor machine before so my first install was really crude. I learned enough about this machine to boot to CD-ROM using the SRM console >>>boot dka2 -flags 0 install Debian, restart, boot from floppy >>>boot dev0 -flags 0 I did a "seat of the pants" install of Debian on it just to see if I could get it to run. It works but it's not a final installation. I'll need to get it configured correctly so I can use the machine the right way. When I installed I had to create a BSD bootable something and used SDA. I'm not sure what I did to get Linux on SDB but thats where it ended up. (My fdisk skills need to be better so I get it all working as it should.) I put the Swap on SDE just because it was easy to remember where it was. Disk Configuration: I'd really rather have all 5 disks in a Raid 5 configuration, I have a RAID card but I haven't looked to see if it will work in the Alpha box. It's a Compaq 2P RAID controller. I have one in my Proliant 2500 but that's a Compaq box running W2K. Anyone have an idea as to a RAID controller that will work in this Alpha box? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat May 29 23:13:40 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Deleting an email - getting rid of evidence In-Reply-To: <20040529080414.L76184@unix18.sihope.com> References: <40B0D69C.9000906@visi.com> <20040523110439.I38421@unix18.sihope.com> <20040523175422.GB20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085492169.19438.24.camel@unixws1> <20040525192415.GE20965@momentum.poptix.net> <1085773205.10901.169.camel@bigtime> <20040529024810.GH20965@momentum.poptix.net> <20040529080414.L76184@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20040530041339.GI20965@momentum.poptix.net> On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 08:06:17AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2004, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > But 'it's the law', and questioning the law is better left to the 'hippies' > > because they're "expendable". > > Now you're getting it. Sorry, I left out the tags. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun May 30 07:53:22 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alpha Server In-Reply-To: <40B9025B.5050808@visi.com> References: <40B9025B.5050808@visi.com> Message-ID: <1085921601.8554.20.camel@bigtime> > I did a "seat of the pants" install of Debian on it just to see if I > could get it to run. > It works but it's not a final installation. I'll need to get it > configured correctly so I > can use the machine the right way. > > When I installed I had to create a BSD bootable something and used SDA. > I'm not sure what I did to get Linux on SDB but thats where it ended up. > (My fdisk skills need to be better so I get it all working as it > should.) > I put the Swap on SDE just because it was easy to remember where it was. I'd recommend reading through the SRM Howto: http://www.alphalinux.org/faq/srm.html The RedHat 7.1 alpha install guide has some additional information about SRM: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.1-Manual/alpha-install-guide/s1-alpha-srm.html In particular, how to make it boot unattended: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.1-Manual/alpha-install-guide/s1-guimode-post-installation.html Note, that SRM uses BSD disklabels. Traditionally slice c (sdX3 to linux) is the whole disk (True64 requires this) but if you're not dual booting with BSD, True64 or VMS you don't actually have to care about this. But you do need to leave ~1mb of unpartitioned space at the beginning of the drive to fit aboot into. My Multia fried a while back, so its been a few years since I messed with SRM... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun May 30 07:58:27 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alpha Server In-Reply-To: <40B9025B.5050808@visi.com> References: <40B9025B.5050808@visi.com> Message-ID: <1085921907.8554.24.camel@bigtime> > Disk Configuration: > I'd really rather have all 5 disks in a Raid 5 configuration, I have a > RAID card > but I haven't looked to see if it will work in the Alpha box. It's a > Compaq 2P > RAID controller. I have one in my Proliant 2500 but that's a Compaq box > running > W2K. > Anyone have an idea as to a RAID controller that will work in this Alpha > box? Anything thats PCI that linux supports on other archs should work, though you probably can't boot off it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun May 30 11:39:42 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200405301639.i4UGdgQ07602@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: dell optiplex i have 2 dell optiplex gx110 towers for sale. PIII 733, 128mb, cd, built in NIC. one has a 15gb hdd and one has a 30gb hdd. $80 apiece or B.O. lombardo AT evilcricket.com Seller Email address: lombardo at evilcricket dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon May 31 17:17:59 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest HOWTO Message-ID: <40BBAF17.8090204@eworld3.net> I'm proud to announce my small contribution to the Linux community: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/ -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon May 31 17:44:24 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest HOWTO In-Reply-To: <40BBAF17.8090204@eworld3.net> References: <40BBAF17.8090204@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20040531224424.GA29308@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon May 31 19:38:13 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20040531224424.GA29308@autonomous.tv> References: <40BBAF17.8090204@eworld3.net> <20040531224424.GA29308@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <40BBCFF5.2020306@eworld3.net> Spencer Butler wrote: > WTG! Glad to see you finally got that written. Now to create the 'super > whammy' installfest bootable server CD and you'll really be cookin' :-) I'd like to be involved in such a project and I have some idea of the challenges involved. > > I don't recall every signing a waiver to attend an installfest. I don't > think I ever would, but that's just me. That's one reason I say that people can just use whatever ideas that they want from the document. I would not have thought of such a thing but I guess some people have found the need for such a thing. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon May 31 22:18:11 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:51:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] (fwd) TCLUG Meeting (VMware) Message-ID: <20040531185824.GA2382@fandre.com> Just another reminder that VMware will be presenting this Saturday at the TCLUG meeting. They will be giving away 5 free licenses to VMware Workstation, and everyone who comes will get a $100 rebate for Workstation. Please vote via the poll below if you plan on attending. http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=3 Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday June 5th, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: Bob Rooney from VMware (http://www.vmware.com) will be coming to talk about VMware and their latest line of products. Bob Rooney is the VMware Corporate Account Manager located in MN and responsible for the North Central Territory that includes MN, WI, IA, SD, ND. Bob has has a Bachelors and Masters degree in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University. His successful selling career includes positions with IBM, Cray Research, Thinking Machines, Sun Microsystems and VMware. Bob will also be bringing 5 free licenses of VMware Workstation that he will be raffle off, so be sure to be there! Also, each TCLUG member is entitled to a $100 rebate off the price of W/S. 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