Paul, Have you tried one of the "Live CD" on the machine that is giving you problems? One that seemed to work was Knoppix 3.4 a version of "Debian" Nice GUI! Knoppix 3.4 has Kernel 2.4.26 (default) and Kernel 2.6.5 (as boot option). Maybe one way to test the Kernels. Knoppix will run live off the CD and RAM (128 Meg minimum) If you can burn a iso image here is the ftp site: http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/knoppix/ KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-17-EN.iso is worth a try. Jerry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list