> > See if it takes awhile to get the 220. I tried from two machines on two > > different networks and got the same result. > > indeed. so sendmail is probably hanging on some dangfangled DNS query? > where do i look next? it's all better after removing from sendmail.mc: FEATURE(`dnsbl', `dialups.visi.com',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://dialups.visi.com') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `dialups.mail-abuse.org',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://mail-abuse.org/dul/enduser.htm') don't know how long ago they started to be problematic (for earthlink and verizon). it exceeds the log rotation (4 weeks), tho i can't imagine it was many months. still using with no problem: FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://dsbl.org') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org',`"550 Email rejected due to sending server misconfiguration - see http://www.ordb.org/faq"') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `dnsbl.njabl.org',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://njabl.org') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL') FEATURE(`dnsbl',`blackholes.brainerd.net',`Message from $&{client_addr} rejected - see http://blackholes.brainerd.net') not that i've taken the time to be serious about anti-spam or anything, i'd just configured all the above when i'd read about them. haven't gotten around to the likes of spamass or crm114 or anything. thanks for the help adam! -greg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list