From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 1 01:12:53 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 1 01:12:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> References: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <424CF475.1090706@visi.com> I have done a Floppy Disk install of Debian on a 486 laptop. Works fine. Read this... http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/install Specifically... http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-create-floppy Then start down loading... http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-appendix.en.html#s-base-images Sam. Chris Schumann wrote: >OK, I've got a very old laptop. 33MHz 486, no CD drive. I want to run Linux >on it. > >I tried Gentoo, and got pretty far, but when I tried to build a kernel, >well... there are a couple bugs in the source for building for a 486 with >nopci and isapnp. I tried using their generic kernel genkernel, but that >panicked on boot. So I've kind of given up on that distro. > >I'm trying a Slackware install over a network. I get NFS apparently working, >but once it actually starts to install that first package (aaa_base?) it >hangs. Then it says it's waiting for the NFS server. (That server is a >900MHz Athlon running Fedora Core 3 and NFS.) > >I think my next step is to try a hard disk install. Nanobox Linux just >reboots over and over. > >Slackware bare+root only has wget and NFS. No ftp, no smb, so doing any kind >of recursive copy is out... and NFS doesn't seem to work too well. > >Any tips or pointers would be great, as I'd really like to use this thing as >a print server if nothing else. Getting X and sound to work would be just >too cool, but probably too much effort. > >Many thanks, >Chris Schumann > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 From meierjo at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 07:36:35 2005 From: meierjo at gmail.com (john meier) Date: Fri Apr 1 07:37:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sorta OT: Email Harvesting stopper? Message-ID: I just took over maintaining a web site and the previous caretaker was using "spamstopper" http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/email_chat/spamstopper.html an apple program to obfuscate email addresses in html pages so that spambots wouldn't grab the addresses and go to town. The site is hosted on Linux an I'd like to find something I can run there from the command line or maybe even better would be to use some php? I don't know as I'm pretty new to the email obfuscation scene :) any recommendations? From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Apr 1 07:53:17 2005 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Fri Apr 1 07:55:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: <2005040103330290178ef2c8@mail.smumn.edu> References: <2005040103330290178ef2c8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <20050401135317.GA20742@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:33:02PM -0600, David Alanis wrote: > Good evening, > > Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. > I am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers > references you can please share. POWERPOINT? Begone, heretic! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From tclug at greatlakedata.com Fri Apr 1 08:03:41 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:05:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem Message-ID: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> hi tcluggers, what reasonable ways are there for working on things both "from the office and from home"? i sometimes run rsync to pull stuff from the other location. just better not run it in the wrong direction by mistake or you trash all your recent changes. or if you forget to run it you then have to manually merge diverged modifications. i can imagine setting up nfs through an ssh tunnel. but no, nfs had enough little gotchas i'm so happy i haven't used it in ages, just on a lan, nevermind outside the lan. i routinely use vnc. it works. but slow like molasses in january. and hey ultravnc even has file transfer. but i don't use winders if i can help it. i'm using courier imap for email. really it's a very nice remote filesystem. and by golly i've attached files to a draft through vnc and then saved them locally. but i don't expect it's fair to imagine trying to use imap outside mozilla. what comments or suggestions can y'all offer? greg -- Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org skype: gregwm office: +1-612-871-0005 home: +1-651-646-8394 From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 1 08:04:01 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:05:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: <20050401135317.GA20742@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:33:02PM -0600, David Alanis wrote: > > Good evening, > > > > Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. > > I am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers > > references you can please share. > > POWERPOINT? Begone, heretic! s/powerpoint/OpenOffice Impress/ Jima From josh at tcbug.org Fri Apr 1 08:21:15 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:23:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <200504010821.16122.josh@tcbug.org> On Friday 01 April 2005 08:03, greg wm wrote: > hi tcluggers, > > what reasonable ways are there for working on things both "from the > office and from home"? > > i sometimes run rsync to pull stuff from the other location. just > better not run it in the wrong direction by mistake or you trash > all your recent changes. or if you forget to run it you then have > to manually merge diverged modifications. > > i can imagine setting up nfs through an ssh tunnel. but no, nfs > had enough little gotchas i'm so happy i haven't used it in ages, > just on a lan, nevermind outside the lan. > > i routinely use vnc. it works. but slow like molasses in january. > and hey ultravnc even has file transfer. but i don't use winders > if i can help it. > > i'm using courier imap for email. really it's a very nice remote > filesystem. and by golly i've attached files to a draft through > vnc and then saved them locally. but i don't expect it's fair to > imagine trying to use imap outside mozilla. > > what comments or suggestions can y'all offer? > > greg > -- I may be way off base here in understanding your needs, but perhaps WebDAV would do what you want. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From strayf at freeshell.org Fri Apr 1 09:06:13 2005 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:05:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20050401150613.GA10153@crito> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:03:41AM -0600, greg wm wrote: > hi tcluggers, > > what reasonable ways are there for working on things both "from the > office and from home"? > > i sometimes run rsync to pull stuff from the other location. just > better not run it in the wrong direction by mistake or you trash all > your recent changes. or if you forget to run it you then have to > manually merge diverged modifications. Unison handles this nicely, http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ -Steve From shanson at cruiskeen.com Fri Apr 1 09:05:46 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:09:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <200504010821.16122.josh@tcbug.org> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> <200504010821.16122.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <424D634A.1060805@cruiskeen.com> Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Friday 01 April 2005 08:03, greg wm wrote: > >>hi tcluggers, >> >>what reasonable ways are there for working on things both "from the >>office and from home"? >> >>i sometimes run rsync to pull stuff from the other location. just >>better not run it in the wrong direction by mistake or you trash >>all your recent changes. or if you forget to run it you then have >>to manually merge diverged modifications. >> >>i can imagine setting up nfs through an ssh tunnel. but no, nfs >>had enough little gotchas i'm so happy i haven't used it in ages, >>just on a lan, nevermind outside the lan. >> >>i routinely use vnc. it works. but slow like molasses in january. >> and hey ultravnc even has file transfer. but i don't use winders >>if i can help it. >> >>i'm using courier imap for email. really it's a very nice remote >>filesystem. and by golly i've attached files to a draft through >>vnc and then saved them locally. but i don't expect it's fair to >>imagine trying to use imap outside mozilla. >> >>what comments or suggestions can y'all offer? >> Or take a look at UNISON - http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ >>greg >>greg >>-- > > > I may be way off base here in understanding your needs, but perhaps > WebDAV would do what you want. > From obelin23 at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 09:41:02 2005 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:43:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linus wants to dump the penguin mascot Message-ID: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> And now for some important news - http://www.linux.org/news/LO2005/mascot_20050401.html Hey, I'm keeping my birds - they loyally guard my machine. Amused, Charlie O From wylnewland at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:30:33 2005 From: wylnewland at gmail.com (Wyl Newland) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:31:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linus wants to dump the penguin mascot In-Reply-To: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15eea732050401083030ce6f79@mail.gmail.com> I propose we adopt the visage of one of several Linus characters: 1) Linus of Peanuts fame, assuming they would grant a no-fee license to the free software community 2) Linus Pauling, perhaps the world's greatest chemist of all time 3) Linus of Linux, a geek of our own, to trump the image of the Monopolist Corporation geek On Apr 1, 2005 9:41 AM, Charlie O wrote: > And now for some important news - > > http://www.linux.org/news/LO2005/mascot_20050401.html > > Hey, I'm keeping my birds - they loyally guard my machine. > > Amused, > > Charlie O > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Wyl Newland Newland, Minnesota From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:43:31 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:45:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linus wants to dump the penguin mascot In-Reply-To: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f05040108436fa29905@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 9:41 AM, Charlie O wrote: > And now for some important news - > > http://www.linux.org/news/LO2005/mascot_20050401.html > > Hey, I'm keeping my birds - they loyally guard my machine. > > Amused, > > Charlie O > Gee and what is today's date? Check your calendar. From wylnewland at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:05:49 2005 From: wylnewland at gmail.com (Wyl Newland) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:07:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linus wants to dump the penguin mascot In-Reply-To: <307a337f05040108436fa29905@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d1050401074154201b94@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f05040108436fa29905@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15eea73205040109052558178f@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 10:43 AM, Ryan Ware wrote: > On Apr 1, 2005 9:41 AM, Charlie O wrote: > > And now for some important news - > > > > http://www.linux.org/news/LO2005/mascot_20050401.html http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/peanuts/meet_the_gang/meet_linus.html > Gee and what is today's date? Check your calendar. Perhaps there is no bigger fool than I. However, launching a partnership that, in turn, launches the free software community's write-once, run-anywhere operating system, media kit, etc., under the visage of world loved cartoon characters would, as Emril would say, "kick it up a notch", on the world stage of human comedy. I guess my personal committment to such a vision would be the marketing of the product under the flying doghouse image :-) From elhaddi at constantdata.com Fri Apr 1 11:06:43 2005 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:11:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: <2005040103330290178ef2c8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: The U of M continuing education has an excellent series that may help you with PM and even for preparing for PMP. I took some years ago but I don't know where my notes are. You can also take a look at PMI's web site: www.pmi.org good luck. --elhaddi On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, David Alanis wrote: > Good evening, > > Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. I am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers references you can please share. > > > David > > Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've been bombing over the years been complaining? -George Wallace > > "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 1 11:38:19 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:39:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424D870B.6000508@visi.com> Hmmmm, PowerPoint I've use both PowerPoint and Impress and moved presentations between the 2 without any problem. But for Project Management MS Project is nice, I have not used any open source Project Management software Sam. Jima wrote: >On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, John J. Trammell wrote: > > >>On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:33:02PM -0600, David Alanis wrote: >> >> >>>Good evening, >>> >>>Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. >>>I am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers >>>references you can please share. >>> >>> >>POWERPOINT? Begone, heretic! >> >> > > s/powerpoint/OpenOffice Impress/ > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.0 - Release Date: 3/31/2005 From seg at haxxed.com Fri Apr 1 11:56:05 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:57:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <1112378166.5714.11.camel@bigtime.booze> As far as network filesystems, I tried tunneling NFS over SSH, with no success. Trying to tunnel RPC/NFS is immensely painful. I then tried tunneling SMB over SSH, which mostly worked, however its error recovery was crap. If the tunnel timed out and died, it wouldn't recover, you'd have to kill everything with open files on the SMB mount, unmount it, and remount it. Really really irritating. The newer "CIFS" driver might be better about this, I never tried it before I discovered OpenVPN. I now use NFS over OpenVPN, which works nicely. NFS is much better about recovering from network outages. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050401/da0e7fcb/attachment.pgp From wylnewland at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 12:12:58 2005 From: wylnewland at gmail.com (Wyl Newland) Date: Fri Apr 1 12:15:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <15eea73205040110121121825d@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 8:03 AM, greg wm wrote: > what reasonable ways are there for working on things both "from the > office and from home"? For work I telecommute using Citrix which I believe to run a highly compresses SSL stream presenting my server's desktop as a Java desktop on my client. It is extremely fast and all-round pretty amazing product. Perhaps there is some free software Citrix work-alike. I assume that Citrix holds key patents but may be mistaken, in which case, a GPL'd version may be out there somewhere. From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 1 13:06:58 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Fri Apr 1 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the "briefcase" problem In-Reply-To: <424D634A.1060805@cruiskeen.com> References: <424D54BD.1060601@greatlakedata.com> <200504010821.16122.josh@tcbug.org> <424D634A.1060805@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <20050401190658.GB22026@fireopal.org> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:05:46AM -0600, Steve Hanson wrote: > Or take a look at UNISON - > > http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ I like Unison! I've got a WinXP laptop [work requirement :-( ] - I use Unison to sync the data from in to my home Debian box. I installed enough Cygwin to get SSH on the Windows box - I normally use puTTY, but didn't want to hassle with figuring out how to tunnel Unison through it. I do it in pieces - one of the trees is 1.38GB, 935 sub-directories, 9,629 files. Takes 5-10 minutes to figure the differences, then it's just data transfer time. The tree is my e-book library. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 13:18:11 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri Apr 1 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: <424D870B.6000508@visi.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:38 AM > To: Jima > Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. > > > Hmmmm, PowerPoint > I've use both PowerPoint and Impress and moved presentations between the > 2 without any problem. > > But for Project Management MS Project is nice, I have not used any open > source Project Management software > > Sam. What exists for Linux? Anything interoperable with MS Project? FWIW I have a very old and junior model TurboPascal project manager Ivy League Project Manager (variant of early Harvard Project Manager which was very nice for planning and small-world project management). Is there an easy way to get Turbo Pascal source to run in a Linux Pascal? Chuck From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 1 14:54:44 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Fri Apr 1 14:55:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: References: <424D870B.6000508@visi.com> Message-ID: <20050401205444.GA32165@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 01:18:11PM -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > Is there an easy way to get Turbo Pascal source to run > in a Linux Pascal? Check out the Free Pascal Compiler. http://www.freepascal.org/ I used it to build some programs I had from high school programming competitions. It worked pretty well. Nate From tim.oudin at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:03:01 2005 From: tim.oudin at gmail.com (Tim Oudin) Date: Fri Apr 1 15:05:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sorta OT: Email Harvesting stopper? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There seem to be quite a few PHP solutions out there that seem decent. There are also many Javascript version using the same method of obfuscation. I used a PHP script that wrote the email address via Javascript with good result. I don't seem to be able to find that code right now though. http://www.google.com/search?q=obfuscate+email+address+PHP&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official http://sarahk.pcpropertymanager.com/obfuscate.php http://hurring.com/code/php/email_protect/ http://www.zend.com/codex.php?id=975&single=1 http://www.pmichaud.com/wiki/Cookbook/EProtect Cheers On Apr 1, 2005 7:36 AM, john meier wrote: > I just took over maintaining a web site and the previous caretaker was > using "spamstopper" > http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/email_chat/spamstopper.html > an apple program to obfuscate email addresses in html pages so that > spambots wouldn't grab the addresses and go to town. > > The site is hosted on Linux an I'd like to find something I can run > there from the command line or maybe even better would be to use some > php? I don't know as I'm pretty new to the email obfuscation scene :) > > any recommendations? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tex at nerp.net Fri Apr 1 16:16:48 2005 From: tex at nerp.net (tex@nerp.net) Date: Fri Apr 1 16:17:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. In-Reply-To: <2005040103330290178ef2c8@mail.smumn.edu> References: <2005040103330290178ef2c8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <1290.70.92.14.174.1112393808.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Hi, I'm taking a PMP cert class atm. Why use PowerPoint when you can use OpenOffice? Why use MSProject when you can use Open Workbench? Other free and online project management tools are available. Good Luck! > Good evening, > > Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. I > am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers references > you can please share. > > > David > > Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've > been bombing over the years been complaining? -George Wallace > > "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Fri Apr 1 17:24:15 2005 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis) Date: Fri Apr 1 17:25:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. Message-ID: <2005040123241554178f10e1@mail.smumn.edu> Man, you guys are crAzy! I just asked for some powerpoint and ya'll went bananas. By the way, I think "powerpoint" is now become a universal term refering to presentations! And you can dissagree all you want, but its true... I do thanks those who helped and those who tried schooling me on using powerpoint, (when I can see your headers) ****User-Agent: xxxxxxxxx 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) <<======== Suckaz! X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 I did like Jumba's answer and so did that old man using that comodore telling me to Cobol, my a$#! Shout outz go to, Jeema, Aviatur3, Greg-Oreo, and that Comodore dude! On Friday, April 01, 2005 4:16 PM, tex@nerp.net wrote: > >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:16:48 -0600 (CST) >From: tex@nerp.net >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Project Management Class. > >Hi, > >I'm taking a PMP cert class atm. Why use PowerPoint when you can use >OpenOffice? Why use MSProject when you can use Open Workbench? Other >free and online project management tools are available. > >Good Luck! > >> Good evening, >> >> Is anyone on the list taking or have taken a Project Management class. I >> am looking to compare projects. Is there any powerpoint papers references >> you can please share. >> >> >> David >> >> Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've >> been bombing over the years been complaining? -George Wallace >> >> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've been bombing over the years been complaining? -George Wallace "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From myok at ogzr.org Fri Apr 1 17:37:21 2005 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Fri Apr 1 17:39:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a simple, secure message forum Message-ID: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> Any recommendations for a relatively simple BBS-type forum with a decent security record? The open source bookmark program I've been helping to maintain took a near fatal hit when its phpBB got exploited and wiped out late last year. The original author is no longer available so I'm looking for ideas to keep the project alive.. Original Site: http://lbstone.com/apb/ Recovery Site: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jjleijen/apb/ My Site: http://home.comcast.net/~carlpatten/apb/ Freshmeat Profile: http://freshmeat.net/projects/apb/ -- Carl Patten From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Apr 1 18:12:35 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Apr 1 18:13:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <424CF475.1090706@visi.com> Message-ID: <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> With due respect to those who suggested that the best highest use of my 486 laptop is as a doorstop, and that my time is best spent elsewhere... that's for me to decide. Linux is *supposed* to run on older machines. Any '386 or later should do the job. If it doesn't, many people would consider that a bug. So I took Sam's (and others') suggestion and tried Debian again. It works like a charm... sort of. I can certainly boot and run text mode stuff just fine. The WD90C24 video chip is rather old, though, and X starts in (ugh) 320x200 mode. Tips for getting 640x480x8 bits would be lovely. Even a 320x200 display of a larger virtual desktop would make it a LOT more usable. I don't plan to run X on it most of the time, but I did want to see how painful it is to use on the machine. I plan to make it a samba print server, and the debian documents only say that you should use the graphical tools and it's a snap. There's no mention of configuration files, which I would be happy to tweak with vi. I plan to put my effort on ThinkWiki once it gets to a good spot. Chris Schumann From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 1 18:55:02 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Apr 1 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] -bash: java: command not found In-Reply-To: <36431.64.8.149.66.1112310151.squirrel@64.8.149.66> References: <60739.209.176.212.10.1112241095.squirrel@209.176.212.10> <1112274686.424bf6fe8fea8@joshwelch.com> <1972.64.8.148.30.1112298363.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <36431.64.8.149.66.1112310151.squirrel@64.8.149.66> Message-ID: <48190.209.176.212.10.1112403302.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Figured it out. The script was designed to access the database using localhost.localdomain. I added a grant statement and everything is roses. Thanks for the replies. From bhartm at visi.com Fri Apr 1 19:31:39 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Fri Apr 1 19:25:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a simple, secure message forum In-Reply-To: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> References: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> Message-ID: <424DF5FB.50009@visi.com> I used to use TWiki.org and loved it but managing thread-like discourse was not very realistic unless you're a perl expert. Plone.org might be the stuff. I've barely used it, but it seems to be more robust and grown-up than phBB. I hated that thing. Carl Patten wrote: > > Any recommendations for a relatively simple BBS-type forum with a > decent security record? The open source bookmark program I've been > helping to maintain took a near fatal hit when its phpBB got exploited > and wiped out late last year. The original author is no longer > available so I'm looking for ideas to keep the project alive.. > > Original Site: http://lbstone.com/apb/ > Recovery Site: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jjleijen/apb/ > My Site: http://home.comcast.net/~carlpatten/apb/ > Freshmeat Profile: http://freshmeat.net/projects/apb/ > From christophermsmith at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 20:24:17 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Fri Apr 1 20:25:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] ldap and samba 3.0 machine accnt problems Message-ID: <5bab831e05040118244b90e8e6@mail.gmail.com> I'm running successfully (well, i thought i was!) using Samba 3.0.10 and 3.0.11 with FC2 and FC3 with ldap as the backend. There are several bdc's each an ldap slave. For some reason lately machine accounts have been randomly loosing their domain accounts. I can't seem to find anything despite having googled till my fingers are numb.. any ideas? Chris From bhartm at visi.com Fri Apr 1 23:32:14 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Fri Apr 1 23:27:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a simple, secure message forum In-Reply-To: <424DF5FB.50009@visi.com> References: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> <424DF5FB.50009@visi.com> Message-ID: <424E2E5E.2050802@visi.com> A little follow-up: Carl is apparently a PHP guy, so http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=php+wiki§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 From my experience with big and small projects, (such as OS rollouts, Client or Server or both installations) a Wiki is powerful because it forces contributors to stay ON TOPIC. In a goal-oriented scene, threads may not be the right way to go. They tend to deteriorate into chaos and sillyness, and then what do you have for solid info? I'm not usually even an amateur sociologist, but hey.. Entropy rules. Bob Hartmann wrote: > I used to use TWiki.org and loved it but managing thread-like > discourse was not very realistic unless you're a perl expert. > Plone.org might be the stuff. I've barely used it, but it seems to be > more robust and grown-up than phBB. I hated that thing. > Carl Patten wrote: > >> >> Any recommendations for a relatively simple BBS-type forum with a >> decent security record? The open source bookmark program I've been >> helping to maintain took a near fatal hit when its phpBB got >> exploited and wiped out late last year. The original author is no >> longer available so I'm looking for ideas to keep the project alive.. >> >> Original Site: http://lbstone.com/apb/ >> Recovery Site: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jjleijen/apb/ >> My Site: http://home.comcast.net/~carlpatten/apb/ >> Freshmeat Profile: http://freshmeat.net/projects/apb/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From strayf at freeshell.org Fri Apr 1 23:49:29 2005 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Fri Apr 1 23:53:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> References: <424CF475.1090706@visi.com> <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050402054929.GB30172@callisto-acss.acad.umn.edu> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:12:35PM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > [...] > The WD90C24 video chip is rather old, though, and X starts in > (ugh) 320x200 mode. Tips for getting 640x480x8 bits would be > lovely. Even a 320x200 display of a larger virtual desktop would > make it a LOT more usable. > [...] I did something similar with an old laptop a while back and had better luck running Xfree86 3.x instead of 4.x. I believe they hadn't ported all the drivers to 4.x. Maybe that's still the case. -Steve From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Apr 2 09:55:31 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Sat Apr 2 10:09:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a simple, secure message forum In-Reply-To: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> References: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> Message-ID: <20050402155531.GA24301@wookimus.net> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 05:37:21PM -0600, Carl Patten wrote: > Any recommendations for a relatively simple BBS-type forum with a > decent security record? I'm surprised Citadel/UX and WebCit haven't been mentioned yet. ;-) Looks like CVE has three entries for it: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=citadel Not bad. 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It looks like a search for "su for windows" limiting to English language gives you some hits: http://www.google.com/search?&lr=lang_en&q=%22su+for+windows%22 Mike From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 2 11:54:14 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:55:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] su In-Reply-To: References: <424ECE7D.3010609@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20050402175414.GA4267@fireopal.org> That's the solution I've used in the past. I'm tired of doing Windows support - anyone looking for good desktop support person / junior network admin? On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Tim Oudin wrote: > `runas`, might be what you're looking for... > > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/runas.mspx > > cheers > > On Apr 2, 2005 10:55 AM, greg wm wrote: > > > > is there an equivalent to "su" on windows? or do i really need to > > logout and login as administrator and logout and login as the user often > > several times back and forth? > > > > i am aware of an mks su command, but i doubt it's worth the trouble to > > install mks. > > > > of course i expect flames for asking this here. feel free to let me > > know your favourite proper place to ask such questions. couldn't craft > > a google search of any help. ever mentioning "su" just coughs up > > italian pages. > > > > tia, > > greg > > -- > > Greg Whitley Mott > > IT Coordinator > > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Apr 2 13:39:05 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat Apr 2 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Stupid newbie question In-Reply-To: <23917114.1112238315763.JavaMail.root@sniper5> References: <23917114.1112238315763.JavaMail.root@sniper5> Message-ID: <200504021339.05825.jus@krytosvirus.com> It doesn't really matter what you call them, though localhost probably is not the best name to use and you should have every machine with their own name. The reason it does not matter what names you use is beacuse you are on your own private network behind a NAT'ing router. On Wednesday 30 March 2005 09:01 pm, Mark Browne wrote: > When I set up my linux boxen I have been leaving the domain name as > localhost. My ISP is Comcast.net and I don't have my own domain name to > plug in. > > I know that this is sort of retarded, but I have no clue about the correct > thing to do here. > > If it makes any difference, I want to network (samba?) my Mandrake-Sun > Sparc, Mandrake Intel, OS X Mac, AMD-64 XP, and Intel XP boxen together > later. > > > > A pointer to a good how-to would be nice. > > > > Mark Browne -- Public key http://www.krytosvirus.com/public.asc From seg at haxxed.com Sat Apr 2 14:50:14 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:51:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1112475014.4964.9.camel@bigtime.booze> > Linux is *supposed* to run on older machines. Any '386 or later > should do the job. If it doesn't, many people would consider that > a bug. Is it? While the kernel itself hasn't expanded significantly in the past 5 years, everything else (the GNU part...) has bloated mightily. You can just run an old distribution, but then you're open to a raft of security holes. A lightweight but up-to-date distribution is an area sorely lacking. Closest I've seen is uwoody: http://people.debian.org/~andersee/dists/ Its an okay base to work on, but there's not much precompiled. You're expected to to grab source debs and build your own stuff... Which you don't want to be doing on a 486. So you'll want to run a copy chrooted on a faster system... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050402/30edbde1/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 2 18:04:43 2005 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:05:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <1112475014.4964.9.camel@bigtime.booze> References: <200504020013.j320DSZP021728@localhost.localdomain> <1112475014.4964.9.camel@bigtime.booze> Message-ID: <20050403000443.GA7487@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:50:14PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: [unattributed] >> Linux is *supposed* to run on older machines. Any '386 or later >> should do the job. If it doesn't, many people would consider that a >> bug. > > Is it? While the kernel itself hasn't expanded significantly in the > past 5 years, everything else (the GNU part...) has bloated mightily. Amen to that. I did indeed get Debian/woody installed on a painfully old system, but package management was just agonizing. If I ever felt the desire to repeat that install (unlikely) I'd go with Slackware. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Apr 2 19:31:23 2005 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:33:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fixing LVM after dead disk Message-ID: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> I'm hoping there's an LVM guru out there who can help with this one. I added an old disk to my system because I needed some temporary space. After creating a partition that used the entire disk, I added the partition as a physical volume (PV) to the volume group (VG) that already occupied most of the first disk. I then created a logical volume (LV) of the entire PV on the second disk. When I tried creating the file system on the new LV, I had so many errors during the bad block check that I decided not to use it. I did not, however, remove it from the VG, Now, the second disk has died completely, so much so that it even prevents the BIOS from seeing the first disk when booting. The problem is that when I try to boot with just the first disk, it says that LVM is badly screwed up and the kernel panics. I was able to boot with the distro's (CentOS 4.0) rescue CD and even started an lvm shell which has all the LVM commands, but it appears they all need to have to the volume group available (under /dev) which it isn't because it is screwed up. Any ideas on how I can remove the LV and PV for the second disk from the VG so I can get my life back in order? TIA, Eric P.S. This is LVM 2. From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 23:20:54 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat Apr 2 23:21:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fixing LVM after dead disk In-Reply-To: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> References: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a05040221205fd4424b@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 7:31 PM, Eric Stanley wrote: > Now, the second disk has died completely, so much so that it even > prevents the BIOS from seeing the first disk when booting. The problem > is that when I try to boot with just the first disk, it says that LVM is > badly screwed up and the kernel panics. I was able to boot with the > distro's (CentOS 4.0) rescue CD and even started an lvm shell which has > all the LVM commands, but it appears they all need to have to the volume > group available (under /dev) which it isn't because it is screwed up. > > Any ideas on how I can remove the LV and PV for the second disk from the > VG so I can get my life back in order? What's your layout for the the LVM stuff? If you have / under LVM you may not be able to do much of anything. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From bhartm at visi.com Sun Apr 3 01:47:52 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Sun Apr 3 01:41:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Stupid newbie question In-Reply-To: <200504021339.05825.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <23917114.1112238315763.JavaMail.root@sniper5> <200504021339.05825.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: <424F9FA8.5000006@visi.com> Quite right. localhost is just a name. It's also a convention that administrators rely upon.. any number of names can be pointed to the same IP address in /etc/hosts, as I've already illustrated (weakly) in this thread. Mark, you're not retarded, stupid or newbie. Stop insulting yourself. ps. Do you still play bass for that Nelson guy? Justin Krejci wrote: >It doesn't really matter what you call them, though localhost probably is not >the best name to use and you should have every machine with their own name. >The reason it does not matter what names you use is beacuse you are on your >own private network behind a NAT'ing router. > >On Wednesday 30 March 2005 09:01 pm, Mark Browne wrote: > > >>When I set up my linux boxen I have been leaving the domain name as >>localhost. My ISP is Comcast.net and I don't have my own domain name to >>plug in. >> >>I know that this is sort of retarded, but I have no clue about the correct >>thing to do here. >> >>If it makes any difference, I want to network (samba?) my Mandrake-Sun >>Sparc, Mandrake Intel, OS X Mac, AMD-64 XP, and Intel XP boxen together >>later. >> >> >> >>A pointer to a good how-to would be nice. >> >> >> >>Mark Browne >> >> > > > From seg at haxxed.com Sun Apr 3 04:14:51 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sun Apr 3 04:15:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fixing LVM after dead disk In-Reply-To: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> References: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <1112519691.4964.42.camel@bigtime.booze> > Any ideas on how I can remove the LV and PV for the second disk from the > VG so I can get my life back in order? Looking at my fedora core 3 init script, LVM2 setup boils down to this: modprobe dm-mod echo "mkdmnod" | /sbin/nash vgscan --mknodes --ignorelockingfailure vgchange -a y --ignorelockingfailure Either its vgscan or vgchange thats failing. My bet is on vgchange. That should be okay. If you're getting past the vgscan part, you should be able to use the lvm tools to fix things. vgreduce even has a -- removemissing command that "Removes all missing physical volumes from the volume group and makes the volume group consistent again." If vgscan is barfing, well, see if there's an option to ignore missing disks. Back when I was using LVM1, I ran into a similar SNAFU. My root wasn't on LVM. I ended up copying the last metadata backup in /etc into where ever it was the current metadata goes, which is normally set up by vgscan. The lvm tools then worked. But if your root is on LVM, you've got a catch-22 on your hands... ... I was just about tempted to put my root partition on LVM, but you just reminded me why its probably a bad idea. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050403/ecec5871/attachment.pgp From tclug at beitsahour.net Sun Apr 3 10:29:43 2005 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Sun Apr 3 10:31:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] su References: <424ECE7D.3010609@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: greg wm writes: > is there an equivalent to "su" on windows? or do i really need to > logout and login as administrator and logout and login as the user often > several times back and forth? Shift-Rclick on an executable, there should be an option in the menu that says "Run As..." click on that to get a Run As screen asking for an Administrator password (you can change that) in later versions of WXP it appears without having to shift. In early versions of W2k it does not appear even if you shift. -- Munir Nassar From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Sun Apr 3 11:31:33 2005 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Sun Apr 3 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Stupid newbie question In-Reply-To: <424F9FA8.5000006@visi.com> Message-ID: All, Thanks for the help. I will be playing about with network configuration when I return from an upcoming stint of travel around the United States. I have made some half-hearted attempts to get samba working a couple of times with no success. I am steeling myself to dive in until *everything* works as it should. With three different computing platforms I expect it to be a bit of a battle. I have been so delighted with my dual monitor box that I want to go all the way and start serving X sessions across my home network. The big monitors on my sun boxes take up too much room in my computer room; I want to run them headless. The dream: a single workstation with multiple monitors displaying multiple X windows controlling my 'vast armada' of computing hardware - it will be cool! As far as the self deprecation thing, for as long as I have been playing with *nix I really think I should have picked this stuff up by now. I recognize the source of the problem as intellectual laziness and I am not comfortable with that; I guess that it's a personal thing. It spills out in the writing without even trying. As frustrating as it is, with any self-directed learning adventure it is necessary to accept that you learn what you are interested in and that tends to leave holes in the knowledge landscape. An instructor guided course has the possibility of leaving the student with a more comprehensive grasp of a subject. My Bass playing; funny thing that. I do play the bass. There is a fellow in Minneapolis that also plays and he has played for Prince and a few other name brand acts. I get calls trying to get me to join various musical endeavors. I have toyed with the idea of taking the gig but I am sure that it would turn out poorly; my influence runs more to the Pink Floyd bass style. Not his thing from what I can tell. Mark Browne -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hartmann Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:48 AM Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Stupid newbie question Quite right. localhost is just a name. It's also a convention that administrators rely upon.. any number of names can be pointed to the same IP address in /etc/hosts, as I've already illustrated (weakly) in this thread. Mark, you're not retarded, stupid or newbie. Stop insulting yourself. ps. Do you still play bass for that Nelson guy? Justin Krejci wrote: >It doesn't really matter what you call them, though localhost probably is not >the best name to use and you should have every machine with their own name. >The reason it does not matter what names you use is beacuse you are on your >own private network behind a NAT'ing router. > >On Wednesday 30 March 2005 09:01 pm, Mark Browne wrote: > > >>When I set up my linux boxen I have been leaving the domain name as >>localhost. My ISP is Comcast.net and I don't have my own domain name to >>plug in. >> >>I know that this is sort of retarded, but I have no clue about the correct >>thing to do here. >> >>If it makes any difference, I want to network (samba?) my Mandrake-Sun >>Sparc, Mandrake Intel, OS X Mac, AMD-64 XP, and Intel XP boxen together >>later. >> >> >> >>A pointer to a good how-to would be nice. >> >> >> >>Mark Browne >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Apr 3 13:29:49 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Sun Apr 3 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> References: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4250361D.5070208@comcast.net> Funny you should ask...... (Sorry for the late reply, I've been on vacation. Just catching up on old emails.) One of the books I took with me on vacation was "Installing and Configuring Slackware Linux". This book is 5 years old and refers to version 7, but still should be applicable to the latest version. As I briefly saw someone else mention, have you tried the floppy drive install? If I remember correctly you will need around 30 floppies. I could help you out with any version from v7.1 on up, I have all of them sitting on my Linux server. Todd Chris Schumann wrote: > OK, I've got a very old laptop. 33MHz 486, no CD drive. I want to run Linux > on it. > > I tried Gentoo, and got pretty far, but when I tried to build a kernel, > well... there are a couple bugs in the source for building for a 486 with > nopci and isapnp. I tried using their generic kernel genkernel, but that > panicked on boot. So I've kind of given up on that distro. > > I'm trying a Slackware install over a network. I get NFS apparently working, > but once it actually starts to install that first package (aaa_base?) it > hangs. Then it says it's waiting for the NFS server. (That server is a > 900MHz Athlon running Fedora Core 3 and NFS.) > > I think my next step is to try a hard disk install. Nanobox Linux just > reboots over and over. > > Slackware bare+root only has wget and NFS. No ftp, no smb, so doing any kind > of recursive copy is out... and NFS doesn't seem to work too well. > > Any tips or pointers would be great, as I'd really like to use this thing as > a print server if nothing else. Getting X and sound to work would be just > too cool, but probably too much effort. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Apr 3 14:31:32 2005 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Sun Apr 3 14:09:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <4250361D.5070208@comcast.net> References: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> <4250361D.5070208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050403193132.GA4388@mail.penguinpackets.com> > Chris Schumann wrote: > >OK, I've got a very old laptop. 33MHz 486, no CD drive. I want to run Linux > >on it. Can you get networking up and push Zipslack on to a dos formatted disk? http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/ Once you have Zipslack installed, you should be able to add Slackware packages or compile most anything else you might need. If you can't get the big zip file on the disk, you could try removing the disk and hook it up to one of those ide converters that converts laptop ide spacing to regular ide desktop spacing for a few bucks (usually around $5-$15). If you can get Debian installed and have the disk space for updates, that would be the best route for maintainability, but if you have the pin header converter, the next version of Zipslack can get you all the updates you need, and just update packages inbetween releases if you need to. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From adam at whee.org Sun Apr 3 14:13:44 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Sun Apr 3 14:29:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on old laptop (AND FREE CD's!) In-Reply-To: <4250361D.5070208@comcast.net> References: <200503312145.j2VLjFtW019625@localhost.localdomain> <4250361D.5070208@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Todd Young wrote: > I could help you out with any version from v7.1 on up, I have all of them > sitting on my Linux server. I know I have at least 3.6 and 4.0 on CD still - IIRC, you can build the floppy distribution off of the CD. When I did my first floppy install of Slack, it needed something like 20 disks - but I cheated and just swapped between 3. These older distributions should be less painful for floppy install. In fact, I've been sitting on the following CD's and have never done anything with them, they are up for grabs (pick them up in Edina, or I can bring them to the next beer meeting). Or maybe someone wants to put together a master collection of original Linux CD's. Or decorate their living room, or play with old distributions, or god knows what... (All CD's are "official", not burned, unless otherwise noted): OpenLinux eServer 2.3 Pogo "Linux Mandrake 7.1" (2 discs) Slackware 7.0 RedHat 6.0 (burned) Slackware 4.0 (burned, Ben helpfully labelled this "Spankware 4.0", so I'll call it a collectors item) Slackware 4.0 (burned 7/19/99 - Ben did not muck with this one) Slackware 3.6 (4 CD set - official Walnut Creek CD's) StarOffice 5.1 (not Linux, but still sealed!) OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 TurboLinux Workstation 6.0 (labeled as an evaluation CD) Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 I also have a store-bought copy of Netscape Navigator 2.0 (box, manuals, floppies (!), but I want to keep that one around for it's comedic value. I'll look through my books and see if it's worth posting a list of those to give away as well. From barnabas at knicknack.net Sun Apr 3 19:13:22 2005 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Sun Apr 3 19:13:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fixing LVM after dead disk In-Reply-To: <1112519691.4964.42.camel@bigtime.booze> References: <424F476B.2090507@knicknack.net> <1112519691.4964.42.camel@bigtime.booze> Message-ID: <425086A2.50001@knicknack.net> It's fixed! It turns out it was much simpler than I thought it would be. I just booted with the CentOS boot CD in rescue mode and started the lvm shell (with the 'lvm' command). Then I executed the commands: vgscan --partial vgreduce --removemissing I hope this is of help to others. Eric From rharding at msufame.msu.edu Mon Apr 4 09:26:45 2005 From: rharding at msufame.msu.edu (Richard Harding) Date: Mon Apr 4 09:27:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone moved a woody -> sarge box recently? Message-ID: <1112624805.8354.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have a debian woody box I set up a couple of years ago. It started out as a web/DNS/DHCP server. I have since moved the web server to a debian sarge box that was set up to get newer postfix/mysql/spamassasin/squirrelmail packages. So the only things this box does right now is act as a primary DNS server and as a DHCP server for the network. I want to move it up to sarge to set it up as a hot backup webserver. I want to get the mysql packages the same and such so I can setup this machine to replicate the mysql database and with subversion keep an exact backup of the website in case of any trouble. I am wondering if anyone has done an in-place upgrade from woody to sarge and ran across any "gotch-ya's". The main thing I am worried about is the kernel and difference I am going to run into getting it from 2.4 to 2.6. Thanks for the experiences. Rick From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 11:11:52 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:12:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone moved a woody -> sarge box recently? In-Reply-To: <1112624805.8354.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1112624805.8354.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2005 9:26 AM, Richard Harding wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has done an in-place upgrade from woody to > sarge and ran across any "gotch-ya's". The main thing I am worried about > is the kernel and difference I am going to run into getting it from 2.4 > to 2.6. I have done several recently, without any significant problems. Debian is not picky about the kernel it runs. If you want to do the upgrade "in-place" you can do it all without an upgrade of the kernel- assuming you want to keep with the 2.2.20 or 2.4.18. I suggest after upgradeing the OS, that you install a new 2.4.x kernel (2.4.27 seems to work nicely so far) and reboot when you have the chance. If you want to go to a 2.6.x kernel, there shouldnt be any hitches- though I have not done an upgrade from woody w/2.4.x to sarge w/2.6.x. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Apr 4 14:32:05 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:40:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504041702.j34H2AmN002314@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> It looks like not everyone got my earlier message, but I have Debian running just fine on the ol' gal. KDE runs... :) but it's not happy. Or rather, I'm not. 320x200 is just plain unpleasant. The WD90C24 driver has not been ported to the recent video display packages... so it will have to wait until, apparently, *I* get around to it. It's not a high priority. I did a six-floppy vanilla install. I didn't want to risk compact in case PCMCIA or axnet_cs wasn't in there. It went without a hitch once I found a good mirror. Thanks for all the tips. Now I have to learn how to configure CUPS with no GUI tools. I think I can handle Samba though. Chris From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:49:10 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:50:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a simple, secure message forum In-Reply-To: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> References: <424DDB31.4090504@ogzr.org> Message-ID: PHPBB has a decent security record. The issues that have been discovered have been fixed in short order. It's when you don't apply the latest patches and backup your database and installation directory regularly that you run into problems. If you don't follow basic principals of backups and updates, it doesn't matter what software you run you'll have issues eventually. It's amazing how many headaches tar, cron, and mysqldump can save you. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:56:30 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:56:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504041702.j34H2AmN002314@localhost.localdomain> <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <67f3084a05040413564fc6e947@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 4, 2005 2:32 PM, Chris Schumann wrote: > It looks like not everyone got my earlier message, but I have Debian running > just fine on the ol' gal. > > KDE runs... :) but it's not happy. Or rather, I'm not. 320x200 is just plain > unpleasant. The WD90C24 driver has not been ported to the recent video > display packages... so it will have to wait until, apparently, *I* get > around to it. It's not a high priority. > > I did a six-floppy vanilla install. I didn't want to risk compact in case > PCMCIA or axnet_cs wasn't in there. It went without a hitch once I found a > good mirror. > Now I have to learn how to configure CUPS with no GUI tools. I think I can > handle Samba though. Couple of recommendations: Use a light window manager such as fvwm2 instead of KDE. Try apsfilter instead of CUPS. The configuration is really quite simple. I tried doing CUPS via command line, but found apsfilter to be by far easier to setup. What was the inteded use of this system again? I'm curious as to the reasoning behind loading such an old laptop up. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Apr 4 13:48:28 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Apr 4 15:59:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504041848.j34ImS329819@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Laptops For Sale I have several laptops for sale. These laptops do NOT have operating systems. Each laptop has it's own page with description, picture, and link to drivers. I have laptops with the following processors; 486/40 DX2 Pentium 75, 133, 166, Pentium II 266, All of thess laptops have been tested Please go to my web site for information on these laptops. www dot screechowl dot org Click on the "Computers" link on the left menu. Thanks Sam. Seller Email address: smac at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From drue at therub.org Mon Apr 4 16:12:25 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Apr 4 16:12:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Saturday's TCBUG meeting featuring creator of Nagios Message-ID: <20050404211225.GO1019@therub.org> Ethan Galstad is the creator and lead developer of Nagios. Since its first release in 1999 under the name NetSaint, Nagios has attracted numerous developers and a large following of users that have helped make it successful. His presentation on Nagios will include an overview of how it performs its monitoring functions, integrating Nagios with third-party applications and expanding its functionality using the new even broker API, and future planned enhancements. We will meet at the RenBox in Saint Paul, Minnesota. this Saturday April 9th from Noon to 3:30PM. Details at http://tcbug.org. Dan From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 4 16:24:42 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Apr 4 16:38:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504041702.j34H2AmN002314@localhost.localdomain> <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050404212442.GC15928@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:32:05PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > It looks like not everyone got my earlier message, but I have Debian > running just fine on the ol' gal. > > KDE runs... :) but it's not happy. Or rather, I'm not. 320x200 is just > plain unpleasant. The WD90C24 driver has not been ported to the recent > video display packages... so it will have to wait until, apparently, > *I* get around to it. It's not a high priority. Think you could run a PDA window-manager at all? Matchbox: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html libmatchbox1 - shared library for Matchbox Project applications [runtime] libmatchbox-dev - shared library for Matchbox Project applications [development] matchbox - base environment for resource-limited systems matchbox-common - common files for Matchbox Project applications matchbox-desktop - desktop application launcher for resource-limited systems matchbox-desktop-dev - desktop application launcher [development files] matchbox-nest - graphical wrapper around xnest matchbox-panel - desktop panel for resource-limited systems matchbox-panel-manager - panel manager for matchbox-panel matchbox-themes-extra - extra themes for matchbox-window-manager matchbox-window-manager - window manager for resource-limited systems And... GNOME Palm Environment (GPE) http://gpe.handhelds.org/ gpe-edit - GPE Palmtop Environment text editor gpe-icons - Common icons used by GPE programs gpe-julia - Julia/Mandelbrot set generator for GPE gpe-taskmanager - lists windows and kills errant programs gpe-todo - To-do list for GPE libgpewidget1 - GPE Palmtop Environment widget library gpe-contacts - contact manager for GPE -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050404/9a514e38/attachment.pgp From j_wrocky at comcast.net Mon Apr 4 16:45:02 2005 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Mon Apr 4 16:45:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest April 10, 2005 -Ham Linux CD Message-ID: <4251B55E.7000406@comcast.net> I am planning on attending the Install Fest on Sunday April 10 at the U of M. Are there any Amateur Radio Operators or SWL's that would be interested in a remastered Knoppix CD that runs live with most of the Linux Amateur Radio applications ready to use? I will bring a few copies along with me. See: http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ Jerry K0HZI From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Mon Apr 4 19:01:58 2005 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Apr 4 19:02:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest April 10, 2005 -Ham Linux CD In-Reply-To: <4251B55E.7000406@comcast.net> References: <4251B55E.7000406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050405000157.GA6690@mail.penguinpackets.com> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Jerry Weihrauch wrote: > Are there any Amateur Radio Operators or SWL's that would be interested > in a remastered Knoppix CD that runs live with most of the Linux Amateur > Radio applications ready to use? I will bring a few copies along with me. That sounds cool. You can also give this one a try: http://www.afu-knoppix.de/ I have just started playing around with it, but it seems to include quite a bit of ham stuff! Kelly Black KB0GBJ From smac at visi.com Mon Apr 4 23:04:10 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Apr 4 23:04:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest April 10, 2005 -Ham Linux CD In-Reply-To: <4251B55E.7000406@comcast.net> References: <4251B55E.7000406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42520E3A.30608@visi.com> Now that's cool! Sam. Jerry Weihrauch wrote: > I am planning on attending the Install Fest on Sunday April 10 at the > U of M. > > Are there any Amateur Radio Operators or SWL's that would be > interested in a remastered Knoppix CD that runs live with most of the > Linux Amateur Radio applications ready to use? I will bring a few > copies along with me. > > See: http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ > > Jerry K0HZI > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Apr 4 23:19:00 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Apr 4 23:20:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504050419.j354J0M06372@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Dell 1550 server rails Want to buy 2 sets of Dell PowerEdge 1550 rails; Dell part# 9C142. Please email if you have these and want to sell them. Thanks. Seller Email address: scotjenkins at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Apr 4 23:54:57 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Apr 4 23:56:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504050008.j3508693002744@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200504050456.j354u2ig003074@localhost.localdomain> > From: Shawn Fertch > On Apr 4, 2005 2:32 PM, Chris Schumann wrote: > > It looks like not everyone got my earlier message, but I > have Debian running > > just fine on the ol' gal. > Couple of recommendations: > > Use a light window manager such as fvwm2 instead of KDE. Excellent. I will try that once I can get either a 640x480 or larger virtual screen or an actual 640x480 display. > Try apsfilter instead of CUPS. The configuration is really quite > simple. I tried doing CUPS via command line, but found apsfilter to > be by far easier to setup. Now that's something to bite into. apsfilter... Thank you. > What was the inteded use of this system again? I'm curious as to the > reasoning behind loading such an old laptop up. A few uses. 1) It's my first PC ever, so I'd like it to run. Something. It's not worth SELLING anymore. 2) I'd like it to be a print server for Windows machines (I know) to print on my HP DeskJet 560C... which is about the same vintage, but works great. Too bad some shops like Best Buy don't carry my ink any more. I might even put some tertiary file storage on it. 3) Serve as a bad example. "Don't try this at home... here's why" 4) I would *love* to dig into X.org and port the video driver. I find it hard to believe that no one else wants this done. Thing is, there's so much other stuff in the real world intruding on my hacking time. 5) I'd also like to get the audio driver working. 6) Then the pen... and have a totally p1mp3d out laptop... that's slow as dirt... unless I put a PDA desktop on it. > From: Chad Walstrom > Think you could run a PDA window-manager at all? > > Matchbox: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html Another great suggestion. I will definitely look into that. Thanks Chad. > And... GNOME Palm Environment (GPE) http://gpe.handhelds.org/ So much to learn. Thanks again, guys. From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 5 01:56:34 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Tue Apr 5 01:55:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504050456.j354u2ig003074@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504050456.j354u2ig003074@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <425236A2.6010101@visi.com> What's the make and model of your laptop? BTW all, I have 2 486 laptops. Both are Compaq's. Moria plays really well on old laptops ;-) Both are for sale... Sam. Chris Schumann wrote: >>From: Shawn Fertch >> >> > > > >>On Apr 4, 2005 2:32 PM, Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> >>>It looks like not everyone got my earlier message, but I >>> >>> >>have Debian running >> >> >>>just fine on the ol' gal. >>> >>> > > > >>Couple of recommendations: >> >>Use a light window manager such as fvwm2 instead of KDE. >> >> > >Excellent. I will try that once I can get either a 640x480 or larger virtual >screen or an actual 640x480 display. > > > >>Try apsfilter instead of CUPS. The configuration is really quite >>simple. I tried doing CUPS via command line, but found apsfilter to >>be by far easier to setup. >> >> > >Now that's something to bite into. apsfilter... Thank you. > > > >>What was the inteded use of this system again? I'm curious as to the >>reasoning behind loading such an old laptop up. >> >> > >A few uses. > >1) It's my first PC ever, so I'd like it to run. Something. It's not worth >SELLING anymore. >2) I'd like it to be a print server for Windows machines (I know) to print >on my HP DeskJet 560C... which is about the same vintage, but works great. >Too bad some shops like Best Buy don't carry my ink any more. I might even >put some tertiary file storage on it. >3) Serve as a bad example. "Don't try this at home... here's why" >4) I would *love* to dig into X.org and port the video driver. I find it >hard to believe that no one else wants this done. Thing is, there's so much >other stuff in the real world intruding on my hacking time. >5) I'd also like to get the audio driver working. >6) Then the pen... and have a totally p1mp3d out laptop... that's slow as >dirt... unless I put a PDA desktop on it. > > > >>From: Chad Walstrom >> >> > > > >>Think you could run a PDA window-manager at all? >> >>Matchbox: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html >> >> > >Another great suggestion. I will definitely look into that. Thanks Chad. > > > >>And... GNOME Palm Environment (GPE) http://gpe.handhelds.org/ >> >> > >So much to learn. > >Thanks again, guys. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 10:21:02 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Tue Apr 5 10:22:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux on old laptop In-Reply-To: <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504041702.j34H2AmN002314@localhost.localdomain> <200504041933.j34JXK4G002448@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: XFree v3 should still be availabe in Woody. Try apt-get install xserver-svga, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-svga. Follow the configuration, set xserver-svga as your default (instead of xserver-xfree86) and you should be set. See http://netmirror.org/mirror/xfree86.org/3.3.6/doc/README.WstDig for more details on your card. If you want X, you'll have to stick with Debian or some other distribution that includes version 3.3.6 (or whatever the latest v3 of Xfree86 is). Nothing much you can do about it besides learning to port the drivers to v4 of Xfree86 or X.org yourself. If someone hasn't done it by now, it's doubtful it will ever happen. It takes time to support old hardware, and at some point you just have to draw the line on what hardware you'll support. :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 5 14:27:30 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Apr 5 14:28:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504051927.j35JRUO17899@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Misc computers I have a group of computers I would like to either sell or get rid of it's a group of 4. 1. Acer (not sure of the model number) but I know it's a 333mhz with no CD drive,HDD. 2. Ibm Desktop (not sure of the model number) but it's a 90mhz pc with no hdd or cd drives. 3. Macintosh LC II, I don't have any of the information on this computer I was given it from my school. 4. Macintosh Performa 400, I don't have any of the information on this computer I was given it from my school. the price I'm asking is $10 for the Acer pc. The others I would let go for free. I can be reached at: Blacknight_709@hotmail.com or Windbk@hotmail.com Thanks Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Apr 5 15:36:57 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Tue Apr 5 15:34:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script Message-ID: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> I've been thinking of writing one of my own, but instead of re-inventing the wheel I was wondering if anyone had a simple shell/perl/php/whatever script they'd be willing to share that simply does a weekly df report and also can be run hourly to check if any of the partitions are over XX percent and send an email notification. Thanks, Josh From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 15:51:55 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 5 15:52:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005 3:36 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I've been thinking of writing one of my own, but instead of > re-inventing the wheel I was wondering if anyone had a simple > shell/perl/php/whatever script they'd be willing to share that simply > does a weekly df report and also can be run hourly to check if any of > the partitions are over XX percent and send an email notification. This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but with a bit of modification, it could be easily modified to send notifications. I run it on a few of my servers. http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ -Erik From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 15:51:55 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 5 16:06:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005 3:36 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I've been thinking of writing one of my own, but instead of > re-inventing the wheel I was wondering if anyone had a simple > shell/perl/php/whatever script they'd be willing to share that simply > does a weekly df report and also can be run hourly to check if any of > the partitions are over XX percent and send an email notification. This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but with a bit of modification, it could be easily modified to send notifications. I run it on a few of my servers. http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ -Erik From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 5 17:04:43 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Apr 5 17:04:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux Message-ID: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> First, I apologize for the cheap sales plug, but I couldn't think of any other way to get this information out to the tclug and the tclug is the only place I know where I can get qualified people :-). (* echo 1 year, echo 1 year *) I did mark this email "OT" :-) We are ready for a 2nd round of offering up UML instance to qualified technical geeks :-), below are the offerings: Light: 64M + 3G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt = $15 Medium: 128M + 6G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt= $29 Large: 256M + 10G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt = $60 The polo shirt seals this deal! You'll have complete access to the virtual machine (ie root) and be able to pretty much any -legal- activity. Similar to the last time, ror being a tester, here is what I'll throw in: - Free Real Time polo shirt :-P - 1 month free, so you get get everything up and running as you want. - My eternal gratitude :-) First come first serve. Please contact me *OFFLIST* if you are interested. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 5 18:31:50 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Tue Apr 5 18:36:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <42531FE6.7070403@visi.com> This is why TCLUG is the BEST list in town. BTW, I sold several laptops to a friend who's son may be using TCLUG soon. I pointed him to Debian for the P2's but he has another distro on his desktop. He is one merit badge away from completing his Eagle. He is also interested in programing and system support. Sam. Bob Tanner wrote: >First, I apologize for the cheap sales plug, but I couldn't think of any other >way to get this information out to the tclug and the tclug is the only place >I know where I can get qualified people :-). (* echo 1 year, echo 1 year *) > >I did mark this email "OT" :-) > >We are ready for a 2nd round of offering up UML instance to qualified >technical geeks :-), below are the offerings: > > Light: 64M + 3G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt = $15 > Medium: 128M + 6G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt= $29 > Large: 256M + 10G + 1M/1M + Real Time polo shirt = $60 > >The polo shirt seals this deal! > >You'll have complete access to the virtual machine (ie root) and be able to >pretty much any -legal- activity. > >Similar to the last time, ror being a tester, here is what I'll throw in: > >- Free Real Time polo shirt :-P >- 1 month free, so you get get everything up and running as you want. >- My eternal gratitude :-) > >First come first serve. Please contact me *OFFLIST* if you are interested. > > From tclug at cmulcahy.com Tue Apr 5 19:26:00 2005 From: tclug at cmulcahy.com (Chris) Date: Tue Apr 5 19:26:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> Message-ID: <1112747160.18577.0.camel@gentoobox> On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 15:36 -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I've been thinking of writing one of my own, but instead of > re-inventing the wheel I was wondering if anyone had a simple > shell/perl/php/whatever script they'd be willing to share that simply > does a weekly df report and also can be run hourly to check if any of > the partitions are over XX percent and send an email notification. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I'm a big fan of a script called discus (as in Disk Use). Quick and easy. -- Chris From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:25:28 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 5 22:27:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005 5:04 PM, Bob Tanner wrote: > First, I apologize for the cheap sales plug, but I couldn't think of any other > way to get this information out to the tclug and the tclug is the only place > I know where I can get qualified people :-). (* echo 1 year, echo 1 year *) Are the vm's still fedora and/or debian only? From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 5 22:47:04 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Apr 5 22:45:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > Are the vm's still fedora and/or debian only? What distro do you want? If it's not too hard to install in a VM-like environment (Debian's debootstrap rocks!), we can certainly set something up for you. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:48:01 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 5 22:49:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005 10:47 PM, Nate Carlson wrote: > > What distro do you want? Well - I currently rent a gentoo UML server from another provider. If you guys could provide a default gentoo image, I'd be tempted to switch to a local company...I'm not ready to make a change right away, though. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 5 23:44:44 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Apr 5 23:45:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200504052344.44598@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 10:25 pm, Erik Anderson wrote: > > First, I apologize for the cheap sales plug, but I couldn't think of any > > other way to get this information out to the tclug and the tclug is the > > only place I know where I can get qualified people :-). (* echo 1 year, > > echo 1 year *) > > Are the vm's still fedora and/or debian only? We know those work, what distro are you look at? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:46:48 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 5 23:51:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: <200504052344.44598@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <200504052344.44598@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005 11:44 PM, Bob Tanner wrote: > > We know those work, what distro are you look at? Gentoo....see my email to Nate. From wendigo at clancf.net Wed Apr 6 04:12:30 2005 From: wendigo at clancf.net (Jim Masters) Date: Wed Apr 6 04:11:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Perl Module issues on Slackware 10 Message-ID: <000f01c53a88$c432e440$1b00000a@jim> Hi, I am having an issue on my laptop. I've got Slackware 10 installed and I'm trying to install the txt2html package I got off sourceforge. I've updated the system to 10.1 and updated perl to 5.8.6. I have installed all required Perl Modules from CPAN, but I keep getting an error trying to build the application. It complains about the Filter::Simple module being version 0.78 yet I have installed, both using CPAN and manually, the 0.79 which it requires. I have looked everywhere I can think of on the system for the problem but I have had no luck. Anyone using Slack have a solution to this? I've googled quite a bit and it seems that what I have been doing should work. Here is the exact error: root@laptop:/opt/txt2html-2.40# perl Build.PL Creating custom builder _build/lib/MyBuilder.pm in _build/lib Checking whether your kit is complete... Looks good * ERROR: Version 0.78 of Filter::Simple is installed, but we need version >= 0.79 ERRORS/WARNINGS FOUND IN PREREQUISITES. You may wish to install the versions of the modules indicated above before proceeding with this installation. Creating new 'Build' script for 'txt2html' version '2.40' Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 6 09:03:57 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Apr 6 09:04:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: 2nd round: Virtualized Linux In-Reply-To: References: <200504051704.43797@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > Well - I currently rent a gentoo UML server from another provider. If > you guys could provide a default gentoo image, I'd be tempted to switch > to a local company...I'm not ready to make a change right away, though. I'll have to bug Munir and see if he can get a Gentoo image built up for us. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Apr 6 09:43:33 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed Apr 6 09:41:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> Message-ID: <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:51:55 -0500 Erik Anderson wrote: > On Apr 5, 2005 3:36 PM, Josh Trutwin > wrote: > > I've been thinking of writing one of my own, but instead of > > re-inventing the wheel I was wondering if anyone had a simple > > shell/perl/php/whatever script they'd be willing to share that > > simply does a weekly df report and also can be run hourly to check > > if any of the partitions are over XX percent and send an email > > notification. > > This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but with a bit of > modification, it could be easily modified to send notifications. I > run it on a few of my servers. > > http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ Thanks for the suggestion, I'd seen this before, it's nice to have. For the reporting feature, I just wrote a simple Perl program, it was pretty easy: #!/usr/bin/perl # report on the disk space usage over a certain threshold use strict; my $threshold = 80; # partitions using over this percent of space will cause an email warning my $message = ''; open (DF, "/bin/df -h |"); my $i = 0; while () { chomp; if ($i > 0) { # ignore first header line my ($fs, $size, $used, $avail, $usep, $mount) = split(' ', $_); $usep =~ s/%//g; if ($usep > $threshold) { $message .= "Warning: $mount disk usage ($usep%) is greater than $threshold% - Size: $size Used: $used Avail: $avail\n"; } } $i++; } close (DF); print $message; # ./df_checker.pl Warning: /usr disk usage (82%) is greater than 80% - Size: 50G Used: 41G Avail: 9.4G Now I'll just stick this in cron. Josh From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 6 10:56:04 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed Apr 6 11:10:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> Message-ID: <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> Nice little script, Josh. For disk usage and system monitoring, I've been using munin (http://munin.sourceforge.net/). I haven't tied it into nagios yet, but it does threshold monitoring and can send events to the nagios server (which in turn sends out pages and emails). munin uses RRD graphs and is a fairly nice and simple client-server application. The munin-cron job simply requests information from each node. The node (munin-node) is responsible for reporting the graph configuration, labels, and data to the collection agent. It works out quite well, really. There have been some bugs with some of the plugins, which you can write in any language that can print to stdout. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050406/7008a503/attachment-0001.pgp From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 11:51:18 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Apr 6 11:55:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script In-Reply-To: <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2005 10:56 AM, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Nice little script, Josh. For disk usage and system monitoring, I've > been using munin (http://munin.sourceforge.net/). Nice find! I'm gonna have to get that running here soon. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 6 14:38:04 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Apr 6 14:39:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504061938.j36Jc4i30762@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: desk and misc stuff spring cleaning has provided me with a bunch of stuff i'd just as soon never see again, but before it gets trashed i thought i'd put it up for grabs here. everything is available for pickup in the NW suburbs. everything's negotiable because i want it gone asap. www.visi.com/ ~daryl.johnson/desk.jpg Computer desk, in good shape - $45/obo www.visi.com/ ~daryl.johnson/misc.jpg CD wallet (capacity 48?) - $0.50 Pac Bell IR sensor w/ remote - $2 Printer Cable (6'?) - $1 Linksys wpc11 v.3 802.11b pcmcia card (may have overheating issues)(not pictured) - $2 Linksys NP100 "network anywhere" 10/100 pcmcia card (flaky dongle IIRC, but works) - $2 Fellowes PDA screen protectors for Handspring visor and kin (6 left) - free IBM PC350 - Pentium-200, has some issues, but should work, broken battery clip. - free novell linux resource kit (2004), 4 dvds, suse 9.1 pro, and novell/ximian's linux products - free 40-50 Dirty Vegas stickers - free a quantity of assorted cd jewel cases in various condition. - free assorted game cds, all free xcom ufo defense arx fatalis d!zone (900 doom1/2 maps) sports car gt superbike world championship raiden II gamepak demo disc email me with any questions/offers/dirty jokes Seller Email address: john4293 at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 6 15:21:28 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:27:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> I know this script is not for Linux but some folks have windows servers and workstations to support. I wrote this several years ago when w2k first came out. This script returns the drive letter(s) and free space for each machine listed. I call the script "freespace.vbs" because it only checks for free space. Remember you will need the proper security to run this script. BTW don't include the [code] or [/code] in the script. Notice this script appends to the "results.txt" file and writes the run date and time in the "results.txt" file. I did this because I need a vacation once in a while. I used a second script (not included) to copy the "results.txt" file to another place on the network and append the date to the file name (results040605.txt, delete the "results.txt" file and recreate an empty "results.txt" file. Because I was checking over 300 servers the 2 scripts were separate. The "freespace.vbs" script ran as an over night job using AT. I ran the second script (not included) as needed. It all tied together with some HTML and a browser so I could quickly check disk space. The "results.txt" file opens nicely in Excel as well. You will need the script and 2 text files for this to work, call them what you like but be sure to change the names in the script ;-) If you have a firewall running on a machine you may not get the information unless you open the ports needed. [code] 'define objects used Dim fso, wrfile, rdfile Const ForReading = 1 Const ForWriting = 2 Const ForAppending = 8 Const HardDisk = 3 ' set fso as the file system object Set fso = CreateObject("scripting.FileSystemObject") ' Open the output file filename = "c:\samsvbs\results.txt" Set wrfile = fso.OpenTextFile( filename, ForAppending) 'Open an input file ifilename="c:\samsvbs\srvlst.txt" Set rdfile=fso.openTextFile(ifilename, ForReading) 'Read server name from file do while rdfile.AtEndofStream=false servername =rdfile.readline() ' Gather and write the disk and free space information strComputer = servername Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" & _ "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & _ strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set colDisks = objWMIService.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from Win32_LogicalDisk Where DriveType = " & 3 & "") wrfile.writeline strComputer For Each objDisk in colDisks wrfile.writeline "Drive: "& vbTab & _ objDisk.DeviceID & vbTab & _ "Free Space [MB]: "& vbTab & objDisk.FreeSpace/1024000 Next loop 'Write a dashed line the date a dash the time and a dashed line wrfile.writeline "------------ " & date & " - " & time & " ------------" ' Close the results.txt and srvlst.txt files wrfile.close rdfile.close [/code] Text file 1 "srvlst.txt" is a list of servers angrenost jackrabit impala Text file 2 "results.txt" is where the free disk space information is written angrenost Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 838.575 Drive: D: Free Space [MB]: 5778.652 Drive: F: Free Space [MB]: 2426.32 jackrabit Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 8050.544 impala Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 24028.452 Drive: D: Free Space [MB]: 26449.736 ------------ 4/6/2005 - 2:17:02 PM ------------ angrenost Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 838.575 Drive: D: Free Space [MB]: 5778.652 Drive: F: Free Space [MB]: 2426.32 jackrabit Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 8050.544 impala Drive: C: Free Space [MB]: 24028.452 Drive: D: Free Space [MB]: 26449.736 ------------ 4/6/2005 - 2:18:29 PM ------------ Sam. From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Apr 6 20:07:29 2005 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:09:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200504061938.j36Jc4i30762@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200504061938.j36Jc4i30762@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20050407010729.GA24743@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 02:38:04PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad [snip] > 40-50 Dirty Vegas stickers - free -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 7 07:45:36 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 7 08:21:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I know this script is not for Linux but some folks have windows servers and > workstations to support. > I wrote this several years ago when w2k first came out. This script returns > the drive letter(s) and free space for each machine listed. I call the script > "freespace.vbs" because it only checks for free space. Remember you will need > the proper security to run this script. Now if you could make it listen on a port and spit that out over the network when a particular IP address connects, I'd have most of what I need for a Windows hostmon client for NOCOL. Wishfully thinking, Adam From tim.oudin at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 08:46:09 2005 From: tim.oudin at gmail.com (Tim Oudin) Date: Thu Apr 7 08:47:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately some of have to run Windows too. Here's my version, it logs directly to my SQL server. I then monitor it with a daily ColdFusion job, and even have a semi-attractive page to view. Replace username, password, servername, stored procedure name, though an inline query could also be used if logging to another db. Part of the reason for this method is so that I can track daily changes with the stored procedures. If my disk space consumption increases significantly or becones dangerously low I want to be alerted. I run mine as a scheduled task on each server, though I might change that with some of Sam's code! Drive size is obtainable through `objDisk.Size`. timo -- Const adOpenStatic = 3 Const adLockOptimistic = 3 Set objConnection = CreateObject("ADODB.Connection") Set objRecordSet = CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset") objConnection.Open _ "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=SERVERNAME;" & _ "Trusted_Connection=No;Initial Catalog=CATALOG;" & _ "User ID=USERNAME;Password=PASSWORD;" strComputer = "." Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _ & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set colDisks = objWMIService.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from Win32_LogicalDisk") for each objDisk in colDisks If objDisk.DriveType = 3 Then objRecordSet.Open "STORED_PROC_NAME" & objDisk.SystemName & ", '" & objDisk.Name & "', " & objDisk.FreeSpace & ", " & objDisk.Size , _ objConnection, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic End If Next -- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 7 09:11:09 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu Apr 7 09:11:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Adam Maloney wrote: > Now if you could make it listen on a port and spit that out over the > network when a particular IP address connects, I'd have most of what I > need for a Windows hostmon client for NOCOL. Hmm.. need inetd for Windows. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 7 09:58:39 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu Apr 7 09:59:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> Message-ID: <20050407145839.GA11631@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 07:45:36AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > Now if you could make it listen on a port and spit that out over the > network when a particular IP address connects, I'd have most of what > I need for a Windows hostmon client for NOCOL. I'm assuming that if you install munin-node, which is a perl application/daemon, it could do the listening for you w/o the need for inetd. Since munin operates on the premise of self-contained, executable plugins, you could very easily run that VBS script and have it output data in a manner that munin could use. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20050407145839.GA11631@wookimus.net> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> <20050407145839.GA11631@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 07:45:36AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > I'm assuming that if you install munin-node, which is a perl > application/daemon, it could do the listening for you w/o the need for > inetd. Since munin operates on the premise of self-contained, > executable plugins, you could very easily run that VBS script and have > it output data in a manner that munin could use. If that requires me to also install ActiveState, then it's out of the question in this instance. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 7 10:56:07 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu Apr 7 10:57:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> <20050407145839.GA11631@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20050407155607.GB11631@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:58:04AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > If that requires me to also install ActiveState, then it's out of the > question in this instance. Why not dive into the bowls of Microsoft's VBS library then? ;-) Actually, isn't there a Cygwin Perl package? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sam Nate Carlson wrote: >On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Adam Maloney wrote: > > >>Now if you could make it listen on a port and spit that out over the >>network when a particular IP address connects, I'd have most of what I >>need for a Windows hostmon client for NOCOL. >> >> > >Hmm.. need inetd for Windows. :) > > > From rharding at msufame.msu.edu Thu Apr 7 11:35:20 2005 From: rharding at msufame.msu.edu (Richard Harding) Date: Thu Apr 7 11:37:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question on munin: was Disk space usage script Message-ID: <1112891720.8073.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I found munin to be a really cool looking tool so of course I tried it on my debian machine. I'm a bit confused and wondered if you guys using it could clear it up. I have a list of plugins and I get that those are the various things I can run checks on. What I don't see if how to turn on/off those plugins. I also ran munin-configure and saw a whole lot more plugins that I would like to turn on, but don't seem to be available. I can't seem to find where I can download them from the munin site (there isn't like a plugin repository or something I can see). Is this configure list just a list of things I could do if I had the write stuff? Am I missing something simple here? Thanks Rick From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Apr 7 12:27:21 2005 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Watch a Linux TV Commercial Message-ID: <1112894841.42556d79a8de3@webmail.northlans.com> Watch a Linux TV Commercial For desktop Linux companies to be successful, we need to reach people who think slash and dot are just two punctuation terms. What better way to reach middle America or middle anywhere than with television advertisements? The concept ad has been built using Flash for online viewing so you can watch it from the web browser of any flash-enabled computer. visit www.linspire.com/mm ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050407/ce232a41/unnamed.html From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 7 13:22:36 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk space usage script [OT] maybe??? In-Reply-To: <20050407155607.GB11631@wookimus.net> References: <20050405153657.00002c01@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406094333.00007711@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> <20050406155604.GA17595@wookimus.net> <425444C8.4050802@visi.com> <20050407145839.GA11631@wookimus.net> <20050407155607.GB11631@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:58:04AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >> If that requires me to also install ActiveState, then it's out of the >> question in this instance. > > Why not dive into the bowls of Microsoft's VBS library then? ;-) s/bowls/bowels/ Because my limited understanding is that they are exactly how you so gracefully described them :) > Actually, isn't there a Cygwin Perl package? That might present the same installation issue... From kdesigns at hutchtel.net Thu Apr 7 13:41:54 2005 From: kdesigns at hutchtel.net (Dwayne Kaelberer) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie Message-ID: <000a01c53ba1$9d983aa0$727dfea9@home1> I'm looking for the Linux movie , caller Revolution OS . and wondering where would be a good place to get it or if anyone mite have a copy to part with. Dwayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Umm - first hit when I searched amazon for "Revolution OS". http://tinyurl.com/6gfjn -Erik From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Apr 7 14:22:58 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:23:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c53ba1$9d983aa0$727dfea9@home1> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Apr 7, 2005 1:41 PM, Dwayne Kaelberer wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the Linux movie , caller Revolution OS . and wondering >> where would be a good place to get it or if anyone mite have a copy to >> part with. > > Umm - first hit when I searched amazon for "Revolution OS". > > http://tinyurl.com/6gfjn Is that what you consider a good place to get it? Maybe he just wants to watch it. Someone told me a few months ago (maybe even on this list) that some company, maybe HP, was making Revolution OS freely available on a CD. Any truth to that rumor? If there was a way to show it on campus (here at "the U") or at some other campus, I'd be all for it. Has anyone ever organized something like that at the U? I am on faculty here. Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 14:34:51 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c53ba1$9d983aa0$727dfea9@home1> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2005 2:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Is that what you consider a good place to get it? Well - he didn't specify, and amazon is a fairly reputable company, so I figured I'd post the link. I'm guessing the chances of local video shops carrying this movie is fairly low. Maybe not though, I guess. From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Apr 7 14:40:29 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c53ba1$9d983aa0$727dfea9@home1> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Apr 7, 2005 2:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> Is that what you consider a good place to get it? > > Well - he didn't specify, and amazon is a fairly reputable company, so I > figured I'd post the link. I'm guessing the chances of local video > shops carrying this movie is fairly low. Maybe not though, I guess. Another possibility would be local libraries, if they have it or can get it by interlibrary loan. That's the sort of thing that people on the list could tell him. I think he knew that he could buy it on the internet, but it is true that he did not say that he did not know that. Mike From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 7 14:40:20 2005 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie Message-ID: Thanks for your reply Erik, I did find it helpful. >>> Mike Miller 04/07/05 2:22 PM >>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Apr 7, 2005 1:41 PM, Dwayne Kaelberer wrote: >> I'm looking for the Linux movie , caller Revolution OS . and wondering >> where would be a good place to get it or if anyone mite have a copy to >> part with. > Umm - first hit when I searched amazon for "Revolution OS". > http://tinyurl.com/6gfjn Is that what you consider a good place to get it? Maybe he just wants to watch it. Someone told me a few months ago (maybe even on this list) that some company, maybe HP, was making Revolution OS freely available on a CD. Any truth to that rumor? If there was a way to show it on campus (here at "the U") or at some other campus, I'd be all for it. Has anyone ever organized something like that at the U? I am on faculty here. From kdesigns at hutchtel.net Thu Apr 7 15:55:37 2005 From: kdesigns at hutchtel.net (Dwayne Kaelberer) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:53:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie Message-ID: <004601c53bb4$2747dbe0$727dfea9@home1> Thanks all, but yeah i had found it online just thought i would post and see if anyone else had any other idea's . i had seen bits of it at a freinds place but he didn't have a dvd handy to make a copy , i'll probly get it from amazon , it did look quite interesting and somthing good to have on th shelf , also i wonder if anyone has ever seen anything like this in more of a promotional aspect , like to show friends to say " heres what Linux is about" Dwayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tclug at greatlakedata.com Fri Apr 8 06:40:02 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri Apr 8 06:41:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients Message-ID: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> hi folks, in attempting to wean my organization from outlook, i've got one of our most experienced and dedicated volunteers being the guinea pig and using (windows) mozilla thunderbird. yesterday she asked me for help copying numerous recipients out of excel and into mozilla. looks like it can't be done. whether preparing a message, or preparing a list in the address book, it appears each recipient must be typed or pasted one by one. did i miss something? using outlook, she can simply copy an excel column of email addresses, and paste it into a message window recipient field. but of course outlook has shown itself to behave quite badly if any of the recipient addresses happen to be bad, sometimes even resending the message to many of the good recipients numerous times. me, i'd just vi. but lets be real, i'm not volunteering to do her job, and she's not volunteering to learn my skills. a hint of background: she'll often be extracting lists from the organizations's database, donorperfect, into excel. it's on my list to review other databases for our use. suggestions welcome. anyway i'm advising her to prepare a mailman list in circumstances where entering mozilla addresses singly is too tedious. any other suggestions for her? greg -- Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Fri Apr 8 07:04:44 2005 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Fri Apr 8 07:05:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <4256735C.8010308@ip-wizard.com> greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > in attempting to wean my organization from outlook, i've got one of our > most experienced and dedicated volunteers being the guinea pig and using > (windows) mozilla thunderbird. > > yesterday she asked me for help copying numerous recipients out of excel > and into mozilla. looks like it can't be done. whether preparing a > message, or preparing a list in the address book, it appears each > recipient must be typed or pasted one by one. did i miss something? > > using outlook, she can simply copy an excel column of email addresses, > and paste it into a message window recipient field. but of course > outlook has shown itself to behave quite badly if any of the recipient > addresses happen to be bad, sometimes even resending the message to many > of the good recipients numerous times. > > me, i'd just vi. but lets be real, i'm not volunteering to do her job, > and she's not volunteering to learn my skills. > > a hint of background: she'll often be extracting lists from the > organizations's database, donorperfect, into excel. it's on my list to > review other databases for our use. suggestions welcome. > > anyway i'm advising her to prepare a mailman list in circumstances where > entering mozilla addresses singly is too tedious. any other suggestions > for her? > > greg > -- > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that if she saved the Excel data (email addresses only) as comma delimited she could then copy the whole comma delimitted data list and paste in the to field in a write window. HTH Pat From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 8 07:46:59 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 8 07:47:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <42567D43.4020303@visi.com> Excel and Outlook being Microsquish products work very well together for the copy and paste thing. What you can do in Excel is save the file as a Coma Separated Values (CVS) file. In Thunderbird you can import the CVS file in to the address book. If I remember right it should put them where you want them to be. Once the email addresses are in a Thunderbird address book folder you can use "Shift" and/or "CTRL" to select the addresses When the addresses are selected right click and select "Write" it will open a new message with the addresses in the "To:" field. Sam. greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > in attempting to wean my organization from outlook, i've got one of > our most experienced and dedicated volunteers being the guinea pig and > using (windows) mozilla thunderbird. > > yesterday she asked me for help copying numerous recipients out of > excel and into mozilla. looks like it can't be done. whether > preparing a message, or preparing a list in the address book, it > appears each recipient must be typed or pasted one by one. did i miss > something? > > using outlook, she can simply copy an excel column of email addresses, > and paste it into a message window recipient field. but of course > outlook has shown itself to behave quite badly if any of the recipient > addresses happen to be bad, sometimes even resending the message to > many of the good recipients numerous times. > > me, i'd just vi. but lets be real, i'm not volunteering to do her > job, and she's not volunteering to learn my skills. > > a hint of background: she'll often be extracting lists from the > organizations's database, donorperfect, into excel. it's on my list > to review other databases for our use. suggestions welcome. > > anyway i'm advising her to prepare a mailman list in circumstances > where entering mozilla addresses singly is too tedious. any other > suggestions for her? > > greg > -- > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 From jkjones at tcq.net Fri Apr 8 08:06:39 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:07:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <425681DF.8060008@tcq.net> greg wm wrote: > anyway i'm advising her to prepare a mailman list in circumstances > where entering mozilla addresses singly is too tedious. any other > suggestions for her? > > greg > -- Greg, You might show her how to use "bcc:" instead of "to:". It's one of my pet peeves to see the email address of everyone on some mailing lists, and to know that everyone can see mine. Kraig From jkjones at tcq.net Fri Apr 8 08:35:50 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:37:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42568519.5000906@visi.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> <425681DF.8060008@tcq.net> <42568519.5000906@visi.com> Message-ID: <425688B6.3070505@tcq.net> Right. I was thinking email, not a mail list. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Using a mail list that does not show all the addresses is the best route. > > Sam > > Kraig Jones wrote: > >> greg wm wrote: >> >>> anyway i'm advising her to prepare a mailman list in circumstances >>> where entering mozilla addresses singly is too tedious. any other >>> suggestions for her? >>> >>> greg >>> -- >> >> >> >> Greg, >> You might show her how to use "bcc:" instead of "to:". It's one of >> my pet peeves to see the email address of everyone on some mailing >> lists, and to know that everyone can see mine. >> >> Kraig >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > From adam at whee.org Fri Apr 8 08:26:37 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:41:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42567D43.4020303@visi.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> <42567D43.4020303@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Excel and Outlook being Microsquish products work very well together for the > copy and paste thing. > > What you can do in Excel is save the file as a Coma Separated Values (CVS) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sam, in reference to Outlook and Excel, that is by far a most appropriate typo. Or was it a Freudian slip? :) From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 8 09:01:17 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:06:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Another WMI/VBS Script Message-ID: <42568EAD.6080108@visi.com> With the time change last weekend (I strongly dislike daylight savings time) and sense I was going through all my scripts I found one that checks the time and date on remote M$ machines. This is for XP and w2k3 systems only it will not work on w2k and NT systems, w2k and NT systems will cause an error and stop the script.\ Sam. 'Define objects Dim fso, wrfile, rdfile, tday Const ForReading = 1 Const ForWriting = 2 Const ForAppending = 8 'Set fso as the file system object Set fso = CreateObject("scripting.FileSystemObject") 'Open the output file filename = "c:\samsvbs\tmdt.txt" Set wrfile = fso.OpenTextFile( filename, ForAppending) 'Open an input file ifilename="c:\samsvbs\srvlst.txt" Set rdfile=fso.openTextFile(ifilename, ForReading) 'Read server name from file do while rdfile.AtEndofStream=false servername =rdfile.readline() 'Gather and write the date and time information strComputer = servername Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_LocalTime") For Each objItem in colItems 'Get the day of the week if objItem.DayOfWeek = 1 Then tday = "Monday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 2 Then tday = "Tuesday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 3 Then tday = "Wednesday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 4 Then tday = "Thursday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 5 Then tday = "Friday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 6 Then tday = "Saturday" if objItem.DayOfWeek = 7 Then tday = "Sunday" 'Section write file wrfile.writeline "********************" wrfile.writeline strComputer wrfile.writeline "********************" wrfile.writeline tday wrfile.writeline "Date: " & objItem.Month & "-" & objItem.Day & "-" & objItem.year wrfile.writeline "Time: " & objItem.hour & ":" & objItem.Minute & ":" & objItem.second Next Loop ' Section Close files wrfile.close rdfile.close From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 8 10:14:55 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Apr 8 10:15:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20050408151455.GA17582@wookimus.net> Thunderbird *does* have the ability to manage address books, including the ability to import *.txt, *.csv, and *.tab and LDIF files. It also automatically collects email addresses from incoming email if you configure it to do so. Each email address that you send to gets added to the Personal Address book by default. In any case, here's what I suggest. Export (Address Book->Tools->Export) a personal address book to *.csv or tab delimited format. Here's what my *.csv looks like:: Chad,Walstrom,Chad Walstrom,chewie,chewie@wookimus.net,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The list of commas are obviously unused fields, which include address, phone numbers, etc. Use this as the template for creating import-able files from Excel. Actually, if you simply try importing a file that contains nothing but an email addresses per line, Thunderbird may be able to figure it out. It's worth an experiment, anyway. Other features to look at: Mailing lists. Again, manage this through Thunderbird's address book application. File->New->Mailing List. Here you create the initial mailing list card. Expand the Personal Address Book Tree. You should see the list on the left. Highlight and drag the addresses you want in the list. Also, remember that you can create multiple address books. That way you can separate your Personal Address Book from let's say your Contacts, Office, and Vendor lists... Happy emailing! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm amazed at how many times I see people try to use Excel as a database. It's a spreadsheet meant for running numbers, not a bucket to hold your text data! I think she really needs to go straight from the database to the mailman list. Perhaps she can generate a report with the email address and you can munge that into a list of email addresses that mailman can import. Nate From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 8 11:45:01 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 8 11:51:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sending to numerous recipients In-Reply-To: <20050408151455.GA17582@wookimus.net> References: <42566D92.4070701@greatlakedata.com> <20050408151455.GA17582@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4256B50D.1080903@visi.com> I did a little testing with a CSV file and Thunderbird. I exported my Collected Addresses folder as a CSV, opened it in Excel and removed all but the email addresses. I did Tools+Import in the Thundebird address book creating a new address book. Thunderbird like most software needed to have a name associated with the email address and used the portion of the email address before the "@" as the name. I created a new list and was able to drag and drop the addresses in to the list. Sam. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Apr 8 15:04:20 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Apr 8 15:05:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504082004.j38K4K528493@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: P III or better equip NonviolentPeaceforce.org would be happy to accept donation of any _working_ computer equipment that you'd rather not bother to sell or if you just want a deduction. P III or better would be our baseline, and to to be honest if it's under 1ghz i'd either take it via your drop off or leave it, but hey your transportation cost is deductible too. Seller Email address: tclug at nvpf dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From rick at eworld3.net Fri Apr 8 14:11:37 2005 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Fri Apr 8 19:09:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux the movie In-Reply-To: <004601c53bb4$2747dbe0$727dfea9@home1> References: <004601c53bb4$2747dbe0$727dfea9@home1> Message-ID: <4256D769.5010809@eworld3.net> Consider getting it from a different vendor?: http://www.revolution-os.com/store1.html Dwayne Kaelberer wrote: > Thanks all, but yeah i had found it online just thought i would post and > see if anyone else had any other idea's . i had seen bits of it at a > freinds place but he didn't have a dvd handy to make a copy , i'll > probly get it from amazon , it did look quite interesting and somthing > good to have on th shelf , also i wonder if anyone has ever seen > anything like this in more of a promotional aspect , like to show > friends to say " heres what Linux is about" > > Dwayne > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff From florin at iucha.net Sat Apr 9 11:18:20 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sat Apr 9 11:19:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? Message-ID: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally sound way of disposing of the old one? Thank you, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050409/b0229147/attachment.pgp From adam at whee.org Sat Apr 9 11:39:51 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Sat Apr 9 11:55:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Apr 2005, Florin Iucha wrote: > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > sound way of disposing of the old one? Radio Shack (used to, at least) do battery disposals, I've never tried to bring a big UPS battery in, but it might be worth a shot. From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sat Apr 9 12:15:26 2005 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Sat Apr 9 12:15:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: <42580DAE.7020309@comcast.net> Florin Iucha wrote: >My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally >sound way of disposing of the old one? > >Thank you, >florin > > Found this site from the Minnesota Environment, Health and Safety Online http://www.ehso.com/battery.php HTH, Jerry From florin at iucha.net Sat Apr 9 12:52:04 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sat Apr 9 12:53:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <42580DAE.7020309@comcast.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> <42580DAE.7020309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050409175204.GD6644@iucha.net> Thank you! florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050409/56dd84c6/attachment.pgp From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 09:54:08 2005 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Sun Apr 10 09:55:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mouse under XOrg Message-ID: Xorg is 6.8.2 Mouse is Logitech "Cordless Click!". It has 8 buttons, 4 of them being the scroll wheel w/ tilt scroll. I've been using various mice w/ 5 buttons 2 of those being for the scroll fine for a long time, but I can't seem to get to my other three buttons. To check to see if X is reporting the mouse events I am using xev. The internet (okay google and a few xorg wikis) are being little help. Right now the mouse is hooked up through a kvm being plugged in as a ps2 mouse. Plugging it directly in as a usb mouse doesn't seem to help much. Some relative info: hinault root # cat /proc/bus/input/devices [========for being plugged in through the ps2 kvm ================] I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0006 Version=0000 N: Name="ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 B: EV=7 B: KEY=1f0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: REL=103 [=========directly as usb =======================] I: Bus=0003 Vendor=046d Product=c50e Version=2500 N: Name="Logitech USB Receiver" P: Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.1-1/input0 H: Handlers=kbd mouse1 B: EV=120007 B: KEY=ffff0000 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: REL=103 B: LED=fc00 what I currently have in xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "PS/2 Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Buttons" "8" EndSection ... InputDevice "PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer" leif From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 16:43:28 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Sun Apr 10 16:42:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mouse under XOrg In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42599E00.4050208@comcast.net> I've found that "special features" usually won't work through a KVM, Linux or Windows. I bought one of those Logitech Laser Mouse, and besides the better tracking it had a couple extra features. Hooked up directly to the computer it would work fine, but as soon as I hooked it up through a KVM, none of the extra buttons would work. Needless to say, I returned it and went back to a plain old optical mouse. Todd Young Leif Johnson wrote: > Xorg is 6.8.2 > Mouse is Logitech "Cordless Click!". It has 8 buttons, 4 of them > being the scroll wheel w/ tilt scroll. > I've been using various mice w/ 5 buttons 2 of those being for the > scroll fine for a long time, but I can't seem to get to my other three > buttons. To check to see if X is reporting the mouse events I am > using xev. The internet (okay google and a few xorg wikis) are being > little help. > > Right now the mouse is hooked up through a kvm being plugged in as a > ps2 mouse. Plugging it directly in as a usb mouse doesn't seem to > help much. -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 18:05:51 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sun Apr 10 18:06:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2005 11:18 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > sound way of disposing of the old one? > > Thank you, > florin > I know that APC, at least, will take their batteries back and recondition them for a fee (I think like $25 or something). Of course, you have to pay not only the fee but shipping in that case. Might be worth a call to the manufacturer nonetheless just to see what they recommend. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 18:12:48 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sun Apr 10 18:14:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mouse under XOrg In-Reply-To: <42599E00.4050208@comcast.net> References: <42599E00.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2005 4:43 PM, Todd Young wrote: > I've found that "special features" usually won't work through a KVM, > Linux or Windows. I bought one of those Logitech Laser Mouse, and > besides the better tracking it had a couple extra features. Hooked up > directly to the computer it would work fine, but as soon as I hooked it > up through a KVM, none of the extra buttons would work. Needless to say, > I returned it and went back to a plain old optical mouse. > That was my thought, at first, as well. Though different KVMs vary greatly in quality. Anyway, it is moot since he said he tried plugging it in directly. I found this site while googling, it looks like it might be what you need: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46 -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu Sun Apr 10 19:09:09 2005 From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.) Date: Sun Apr 10 19:10:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? Message-ID: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674ACDD7A@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> Check with Batteries Plus. They took our UPS batteries. Thad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050410/f1689f5d/attachment.htm From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 20:48:22 2005 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Sun Apr 10 20:50:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mouse under XOrg In-Reply-To: References: <42599E00.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: > That was my thought, at first, as well. Though different KVMs vary > greatly in quality. I know. They usually mask the mouse as a quasi generic one and map whatever you plug in to that mouse. > http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46 Yeah, I found that page. I tried a few variations on it's suggestions too. The best I can get is one half of the side scroll working and my extra normal button mapping to button 1. I'm giving up on it for now, it works with my wife's mac and she really likes the mouse, so I guess she gets it and I'll just pick up a standard wireless (3 button w/scroll wheel). leif From florin at iucha.net Sun Apr 10 23:05:17 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun Apr 10 23:06:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20050411040517.GI6644@iucha.net> On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 11:18:20AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > sound way of disposing of the old one? For the record: The most convenient place that I found was the Target around the corner. The girl at the service counter was a bit confused at first but after some consulting with somebody in the back, they took the battery for recycling. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050410/3c3155d6/attachment.pgp From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 00:02:48 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Mon Apr 11 00:04:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050411040517.GI6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> <20050411040517.GI6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: <17f6da2505041022027cd73461@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 10, 2005 11:05 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 11:18:20AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > > sound way of disposing of the old one? > Fleet Farm if you're near one. Steve From smac at visi.com Mon Apr 11 07:23:46 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Apr 11 07:30:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674ACDD7A@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> References: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674ACDD7A@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> Message-ID: <425A6C52.7@visi.com> If you know your zip code this is a good resource. http://minnesota.earth911.org/usa/master.asp?s=ls&serviceid=126 Sam. Wakefield, Thad M. wrote: > Check with Batteries Plus. They took our UPS batteries. > > Thad > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From poptix at poptix.net Mon Apr 11 08:27:27 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Apr 11 08:28:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674ACDD7A@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> References: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674ACDD7A@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> Message-ID: <20050411132727.GZ6415@momentum.poptix.net> On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 07:09:09PM -0500, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote: > Check with Batteries Plus. They took our UPS batteries. I agree. You should all be buying your UPS batteries there anwyay. I paid $110 per 'pack' for my APC SU2200 (2 packs total) when the replacement units from APC were over $600 each plus shipping. Even third-party batteries online are $200-250, then you get to pay the shipping for 60 lbs per pack.. The new units from Batteries Plus have a slightly higher amp-hour rating, cheaper, no shipping, and name brand (Energizer). They assembled them in-store in about 15 minutes. And of course, they took the old ones for disposal. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu Mon Apr 11 09:20:57 2005 From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.) Date: Mon Apr 11 09:21:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? Message-ID: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD96747A6CE3@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> The only inconvenience with Batteries Plus was their batteries had faston 187 connectors and APC UPSs use faston 250 connectors. If you had this problem, what was your solution? Thad > > I agree. You should all be buying your UPS batteries there anwyay. I > paid $110 per 'pack' for my APC SU2200 (2 packs total) when the > replacement units from APC were over $600 each plus shipping. > > Even third-party batteries online are $200-250, then you get > to pay the > shipping for 60 lbs per pack.. > > The new units from Batteries Plus have a slightly higher > amp-hour rating, > cheaper, no shipping, and name brand (Energizer). They assembled them > in-store in about 15 minutes. > > And of course, they took the old ones for disposal. > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, > BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public > key 0x01938203 > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 11 11:02:38 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Apr 11 11:04:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Suse support time line/deprecation time table? Message-ID: <200504111102.38917@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> I've bounced around Novell's web site looking for any time table/time line of official support for release of suse linux. I'm trying to find out how long Novell will continue to support suse 8.2. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 12:06:06 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Apr 11 12:08:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: I've bought replacement batteries from buyuptime.com. They include a pre-paid shipping label to return the used battery when you buy a new one. Just put the old one in the box and drop it off at any UPS store. scot On Apr 9, 2005 11:18 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > sound way of disposing of the old one? > > Thank you, > florin From poptix at poptix.net Mon Apr 11 12:25:31 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Apr 11 12:26:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD96747A6CE3@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> References: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD96747A6CE3@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> Message-ID: <20050411172531.GB6415@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:20:57AM -0500, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote: > The only inconvenience with Batteries Plus was their > batteries had faston 187 connectors and APC UPSs > use faston 250 connectors. If you had this problem, > what was your solution? > > Thad The Batteries Plus I went to (Robert Street, South St Paul) had batteries in stock with the proper faston connectors. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From jack at jacku.com Mon Apr 11 16:21:07 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Apr 11 16:22:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Suse support time line/deprecation time table? In-Reply-To: <200504111102.38917@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200504111102.38917@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <2164.24.245.40.136.1113254467.squirrel@24.245.40.136> On Mon, April 11, 2005 11:02 am, Bob Tanner said: > I've bounced around Novell's web site looking for any time table/time line > of > official support for release of suse linux. > > I'm trying to find out how long Novell will continue to support suse 8.2. SUSE has traditionally provided 24 months of updates (or 4 future versions). Looking at the release dates on a mirror site I suspect you have until the next release which should be October or November of this year. Currently they have packages for 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2. They just announced 9.3(the '05 spring release) so I suspect that the fall release will be 10.0 and when that comes out the 8.2 support will go away. Of course they could change the rules at anytime. -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 17:53:20 2005 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Apr 11 17:54:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recycling/disposing of UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> References: <20050409161820.GB6644@iucha.net> Message-ID: <914f813c05041115532e9876f2@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 9, 2005 11:18 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > My UPS battery died and I replaced it. What is the environmentally > sound way of disposing of the old one? If you live in Minneapolis, they will take batteries with recycling. Not sure if there's anything special about a UPS batt though. From tim.oudin at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 18:47:37 2005 From: tim.oudin at gmail.com (Tim Oudin) Date: Mon Apr 11 18:48:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SMP kernel Message-ID: I've just got the opportunity to install a second processor in a Debian Sarge box. I have absolutely no experience with dual processor machines. Research suggests that I need a kernel compiled with smp support thought the more detailed howto's I've seen are referring to the 2.2 kernels. Short story, can anyone tell me if this kernel going to work for me? There are also 2.4.27 and 2.6 smp kernels that are apt-gettable. I've never successfully compiled my own kernel, but I've only tried twice, and it's been 5+ years since the last attempt. I'm not too concerned about the lilo config, done that enough times. I just can't afford to have any real delays when I take this machine offline for this. beaker:/home/vpopmail/bin# uname -a Linux beaker 2.4.28-bf2.4 #1 SMP Fri Nov 19 13:51:55 AKST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux Any insight would be much appreciated. I'm in a bit of a hurry to get this done, I've just installed spamassassin/clamav/qmail-scanner on a server and it's getting it's butt kicked. I'm adding some memory, faster drives and hopefully a second processsor. Load averages are almost comical...or would be it I wasn't the admin. Thanks! -- timo From brockn at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 19:05:10 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Apr 11 19:06:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SMP kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741dcbb80504111705473ba81e@mail.gmail.com> Your current kernel will work: beaker:/home/vpopmail/bin# uname -a Linux beaker 2.4.28-bf2.4 #1 SMP Fri Nov 19 13:51:55 AKST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux Notice the SMP in your uname string. Brock On Apr 11, 2005 6:47 PM, Tim Oudin wrote: > > I've just got the opportunity to install a second processor in a > Debian Sarge box. I have absolutely no experience with dual processor > machines. Research suggests that I need a kernel compiled with smp > support thought the more detailed howto's I've seen are referring to > the 2.2 kernels. > > Short story, can anyone tell me if this kernel going to work for me? > There are also 2.4.27 and 2.6 smp kernels that are apt-gettable. I've > never successfully compiled my own kernel, but I've only tried twice, > and it's been 5+ years since the last attempt. I'm not too concerned > about the lilo config, done that enough times. I just can't afford to > have any real delays when I take this machine offline for this. > > beaker:/home/vpopmail/bin# uname -a > Linux beaker 2.4.28-bf2.4 #1 SMP Fri Nov 19 13:51:55 AKST 2004 i686 > GNU/Linux > > Any insight would be much appreciated. 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These X11 failures probably are related to xfs service (X font server) failures. Both machines affected appear to experience xfs failure before X11 failure. I have had some trouble profiling this failure. On one machine the log files contain no information other than a line "xfs service reset" and a subsequent line "xfs service failure" about 15 minutes later. On the other machine, the xfs service crashes as soon as X11 is called by the bootup procedure. Again, nothing in the logs. When I attempt to check the status of the services I get "pid file exists but service failed" message. In the case of the first machine, I ran strace -p overnight to try to catch the crash. No luck. On the second machine I was able to strace the service as it loaded and failed. I'm still going through that log, but I don't see anything conclusive yet. Has anybody had experience with this type of system failure? jwreese0 at comcast dot net From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 11 21:50:44 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Apr 11 21:52:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SMP kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050412025044.GA12669@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 06:47:37PM -0500, Tim Oudin wrote: > I've just got the opportunity to install a second processor in a > Debian Sarge box. I have absolutely no experience with dual > processor machines. Research suggests that I need a kernel compiled > with smp support thought the more detailed howto's I've seen are > referring to the 2.2 kernels. The bf kernel is for boot floppies. You'll likely get better performance out of the -k7-smp kernels. For example: kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7 SMP This package will install the latest 2.4 kernel that is optimized for multiple AMD K7 processors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Package: kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp Priority: optional Section: base Installed-Size: 8 Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team Architecture: i386 Source: kernel-latest-2.4-i386 Version: 101 Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp Filename: pool/main/k/kernel-latest-2.4-i386/kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp_101_i386.deb Size: 2154 MD5sum: 4de6fe159a8a614ef33e9b1a5ed08615 Description: Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7 SMP This package will always depend on the latest 2.4 kernel image available for AMD Duron/Athlon with SMP support. SMP (symmetric multi-processing) is needed if you have multiple processors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notice that this package depends upon kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp. This is what is known as a virtual package. If you want to follow the 2.6 kernel, install kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp. > beaker:/home/vpopmail/bin# uname -a > Linux beaker 2.4.28-bf2.4 #1 SMP Fri Nov 19 13:51:55 AKST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux > > Any insight would be much appreciated. I'm in a bit of a hurry to > get this done, I've just installed spamassassin/clamav/qmail-scanner > on a server and it's getting it's butt kicked. I'm adding some > memory, faster drives and hopefully a second processsor. Load > averages are almost comical...or would be it I wasn't the admin. I'd definitely install the optimized kernel. Part of your problem is qmail (memory hog), so consider postfix (many small, secure, well crafted applications) or exim4 (embedded Perl interpretor) as an alternative. Also consider the following package: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Package: irqbalance Priority: extra Section: utils Installed-Size: 112 Maintainer: Eric Dorland Architecture: i386 Version: 0.12-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf (>> 1.3) Filename: pool/main/i/irqbalance/irqbalance_0.12-1_i386.deb Size: 13888 MD5sum: bb1a52a762fe2358076149be2d31dbe6 Description: Balances irq's for SMP systems Daemon to balance irq's across multiple CPUs on systems with the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. Only useful on SMP systems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pc - 1 Macintosh Lc-II Pc - 2 Macintosh Performa 400 Pc - 3 Ibm 750(that's the model) Cpu: 90mhz Memory: 64Mb Hdd: None Optical: Floppy, no cd-rom No Nic or Modem If anyone wants these(Why I don't know...) I will let them go for free. No Cost.... Let me know via email at danbsmith@comcast.net or windbk@hotmail.com and or blacknight_709@hotmail.com Thanks, Dan From tim.oudin at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 22:33:07 2005 From: tim.oudin at gmail.com (Tim Oudin) Date: Mon Apr 11 22:34:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SMP kernel In-Reply-To: <20050412025044.GA12669@wookimus.net> References: <20050412025044.GA12669@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2005 9:50 PM, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > The bf kernel is for boot floppies. You'll likely get better > performance out of the -k7-smp kernels. For example: > > kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7 SMP > > This package will install the latest 2.4 kernel that is optimized for > multiple AMD K7 processors. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Package: kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp > Priority: optional > Section: base > Installed-Size: 8 > Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team > Architecture: i386 > Source: kernel-latest-2.4-i386 > Version: 101 > Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp > Filename: pool/main/k/kernel-latest-2.4-i386/kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp_101_i386.deb > Size: 2154 > MD5sum: 4de6fe159a8a614ef33e9b1a5ed08615 > Description: Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7 SMP > This package will always depend on the latest 2.4 kernel image available for > AMD Duron/Athlon with SMP support. > SMP (symmetric multi-processing) is needed if you have multiple processors. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Notice that this package depends upon kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp. > This is what is known as a virtual package. If you want to follow the > 2.6 kernel, install kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp. > > I'd definitely install the optimized kernel. Part of your problem is > qmail (memory hog), so consider postfix (many small, secure, well > crafted applications) or exim4 (embedded Perl interpretor) as an > alternative. Excellent, thanks for the info! The qmail solution was something I inherited. I had the opportunity to rebuild the server (read: unmaintained rh6.2 got root'd) but really had to keep the existing data structure with qmail/vpopmail to get the server back online in any kind of reasonable time. Hopefully the extra hardware will take care of this. > Also consider the following package: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Package: irqbalance > Priority: extra > Section: utils > Installed-Size: 112 > Maintainer: Eric Dorland > Architecture: i386 > Version: 0.12-1 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf (>> 1.3) > Filename: pool/main/i/irqbalance/irqbalance_0.12-1_i386.deb > Size: 13888 > MD5sum: bb1a52a762fe2358076149be2d31dbe6 > Description: Balances irq's for SMP systems > Daemon to balance irq's across multiple CPUs on systems with the 2.4 > or 2.6 kernel. Only useful on SMP systems. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks like an interesting package, I can probably use it with the load this servers seeing. Thank you again! -- timo == thoughts truncated == From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 12 12:53:36 2005 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Tue Apr 12 12:54:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CVS Message-ID: Hi I am new to CVS and recently I had all my code setup in a CVS in a machine. The nice thing about this machine is that it is backedup everyday but the problem is that at times it goes down for a day or so (I have no control on this) and this creates a problem for me. I was thinking of replicating my cvs setup in other machines so that I will have access to the files when this machine goes down. But I am not sure how I can keep these multiple CVS setups in sync with one another (whenever I execute a cvs commit to files in one machine). Any thoughts comments on the how to go about doing this? Is there any scripts already available? Is this recommended? Thanks Sreekumar From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 13:01:59 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 12 13:02:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CVS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2005 12:53 PM, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > > Is there any scripts already available? Is this > recommended? All you need is rsync over ssh. It makes life very easy. Keep the "master" repository on a more stable box and then sync it daily to the box that gets backed up. something like: rsync -avz --delete -e ssh /path/to/local/cvs/repo user@remotehost:/path/to/remote/repo Run that from cron hourly or whatever. -Erik From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 13:10:48 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Apr 12 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CVS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2005 1:01 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > > rsync -avz --delete -e ssh /path/to/local/cvs/repo > user@remotehost:/path/to/remote/repo Whoops - gmail chopped that into two lines. It should all be on one... From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 12 14:39:55 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue Apr 12 14:40:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CVS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050412193955.GB1642@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:53:36PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > I am new to CVS and recently I had all my code setup in a CVS in a > machine. The nice thing about this machine is that it is backedup > everyday but the problem is that at times it goes down for a day or > so (I have no control on this) and this creates a problem for me. The recommendation for replication via rsync is really the only viable way of synchronizing two CVS trees. If you want to stick with CVS, use that advice. The "central server" model of development, that many Source Control Management (SCM) systems use, suffers from the problem of lost remote services. There is an additional problem that I have: recommending a FOSS alternative to someone new to revision control. There are a few SCM (Source Control Management) that operate on a fully distributed model: GNU Arch (my favorite), Bazaar (based on GNU Arch), monotone, and of course the venerable SVN (distributed subversion). I prefer to use GNU Arch, but it has a bit of a learning curve. The tutorials are nice and after a while, you get used to the development model and environment that Arch puts you in. Bazaar is an attempt at making GNU Arch more user-friendly and is developed in concert with GNU Arch (they use the same email list). Arch and Bazaar both distribute their archives over known transport protocols, such as HTTP, SFTP, and FTP. In this, they are very flexible and portable. Bazaar-NG is an attempt at writing an SCM in Python, borrowing ideas from Arch and Bazaar but being even more "user friendly". It's mostly vaporware right now, but the developer is working full-time on the project. monotone has been getting some press lately, and it looks like a nice little system. Most of the commands are CVS-like, and it can be self-hosting. In other words, if you want it to act like a "central server" model of development, you can do so by running it in "server mode". This is both a boon and a bane. I mainly see it as a bane because of the special rules you'll have to set up to allow connections through firewalls or NAT boxes. However, you'd be presented with these same problems regardless of the network transport. I don't know anything about SVN, so I won't comment on it. Apparently it's a distributed version of subversion, which was designed to be very CVS like in commands. Anyway, good luck. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only useful on SMP systems. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chad -- Would the irqbalance help with a hyperthreaded psuedo SMP processor? I'll try it out but I assume that the package would only help true multiple processor architecture. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 12 15:20:00 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue Apr 12 15:20:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Irqbalance In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253050412125936206ded@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050412025044.GA12669@wookimus.net> <9d6c8253050412125936206ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050412202000.GC1642@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:59:36PM -0500, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Would the irqbalance help with a hyperthreaded psuedo SMP processor? > > I'll try it out but I assume that the package would only help true > multiple processor architecture. I would check the documentation to be certain. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050412/b399ce6d/attachment.pgp From rick at eworld3.net Tue Apr 12 14:21:08 2005 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Tue Apr 12 19:18:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Computer Reclyling Places.... In-Reply-To: <425B3C35.2000601@comcast.net> References: <425B3C35.2000601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <425C1FA4.4010606@eworld3.net> Try Hennepin county, no charge. http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/vgn/portal/internet/hcdetailmaster/0,2300,1273_10042401_100491987,00.html Dan Smith wrote: > Hey, Everyone.... I have 3 computer's that I need to get rid that are > taking up space in my Basement and I was wondering if anyone has any > Idea's expect for Computer Renisaunce..I already called them and they > only take computers that are 733mhz or faster or it's ten bucks to have > them take the pc from you. Well, I have a short list of what I have if > anyone wants it before I call my Trash Service. > > Pc - 1 > Macintosh Lc-II > > Pc - 2 > Macintosh Performa 400 > > Pc - 3 > Ibm 750(that's the model) > Cpu: 90mhz > Memory: 64Mb > Hdd: None > Optical: Floppy, no cd-rom > No Nic or Modem > > > If anyone wants these(Why I don't know...) I will let them go for free. > No Cost.... > > Let me know via email at danbsmith@comcast.net or windbk@hotmail.com and > or blacknight_709@hotmail.com > > Thanks, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Apr 12 22:16:16 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Apr 12 22:16:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [mostly OT] Last Spring Frosts in Minneapolis for Years 1900-1998 Message-ID: Thought some of you would be interested. There is a little unix worked in here... I have a lot of temperature data in a giant file. I think I got it by grabbing a bunch of different files on the web and putting them together. They are from a legitimate source. In case you want to see the file, it is here: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/all_temps.txt That tells me all the temperature highs and lows for every day for the 99 years from January 1, 1900 to December 31, 1998. Using that file and some neat computer tricks, I put together the table below about last frosts for every spring for all 99 years. The earliest final frost was on April 7, but that only happened once. In 25% of years, the last frost was on April 22 or earlier. In 50% of years the last frost was on April 28 or earlier. It's really only safe to plant after May 24, but it's 90% safe after May 15. I'd say that if our weather forecast predicts no cold weather for a few days, you can be safe even a little earlier. On Sunday afternoon our 103-year-old neighbor told us there would be no more frost this year. He also called me "Tom" so I have to wonder if he was thinking clearly. I'd say that we have about a 90% chance of at least one more frost before summer. Mike tail +12 all_temps.txt | head -36159 | gawk '$2 < 8 && $5 < 33 {print $0}' > junk # in tcsh shell: foreach year ( `seq 1900 1998` ) grep ^$year junk | tail -1 >>! junk_2 end gawk '{print $2" "$3}' junk_2 | numalign | sort -n | uniq -c | perl -pe 's/^ (.) (.) (..)$/ $1 $2\/$3/' > ! output.txt numalign is here: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/misc Last Spring Frosts for Years 1900-1998 ======================================== Frequency Date Chance of No More Frost --------- ---- ----------------------- 1 4/ 7 1 4/ 8 2 4/ 9 1 4/10 5% 1 4/11 1 4/12 1 4/13 1 4/14 2 4/15 10% 1 4/19 3 4/20 4 4/21 6 4/22 25% 4 4/23 5 4/24 2 4/25 5 4/26 6 4/27 3 4/28 50% 1 4/29 3 4/30 4 5/ 1 4 5/ 2 5 5/ 3 67% 1 5/ 5 3 5/ 6 3 5/ 7 1 5/ 8 75% 2 5/ 9 3 5/10 4 5/12 4 5/13 3 5/15 90% 1 5/16 2 5/17 1 5/18 95% 1 5/20 1 5/22 1 5/23 1 5/24 99% From sdalan04 at smumn.edu Tue Apr 12 22:58:29 2005 From: sdalan04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis) Date: Tue Apr 12 23:00:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [mostly OT] Last Spring Frosts in Minneapolis forYears 1900-1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050413035826.7CB78E0151@smtp4.usinternet.com> Thanks for the interesting post! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:16 PM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] [mostly OT] Last Spring Frosts in Minneapolis forYears 1900-1998 Thought some of you would be interested. There is a little unix worked in here... I have a lot of temperature data in a giant file. I think I got it by grabbing a bunch of different files on the web and putting them together. They are from a legitimate source. In case you want to see the file, it is here: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/all_temps.txt That tells me all the temperature highs and lows for every day for the 99 years from January 1, 1900 to December 31, 1998. Using that file and some neat computer tricks, I put together the table below about last frosts for every spring for all 99 years. The earliest final frost was on April 7, but that only happened once. In 25% of years, the last frost was on April 22 or earlier. In 50% of years the last frost was on April 28 or earlier. It's really only safe to plant after May 24, but it's 90% safe after May 15. I'd say that if our weather forecast predicts no cold weather for a few days, you can be safe even a little earlier. On Sunday afternoon our 103-year-old neighbor told us there would be no more frost this year. He also called me "Tom" so I have to wonder if he was thinking clearly. I'd say that we have about a 90% chance of at least one more frost before summer. Mike tail +12 all_temps.txt | head -36159 | gawk '$2 < 8 && $5 < 33 {print $0}' > junk # in tcsh shell: foreach year ( `seq 1900 1998` ) grep ^$year junk | tail -1 >>! junk_2 end gawk '{print $2" "$3}' junk_2 | numalign | sort -n | uniq -c | perl -pe 's/^ (.) (.) (..)$/ $1 $2\/$3/' > ! output.txt numalign is here: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/misc Last Spring Frosts for Years 1900-1998 ======================================== Frequency Date Chance of No More Frost --------- ---- ----------------------- 1 4/ 7 1 4/ 8 2 4/ 9 1 4/10 5% 1 4/11 1 4/12 1 4/13 1 4/14 2 4/15 10% 1 4/19 3 4/20 4 4/21 6 4/22 25% 4 4/23 5 4/24 2 4/25 5 4/26 6 4/27 3 4/28 50% 1 4/29 3 4/30 4 5/ 1 4 5/ 2 5 5/ 3 67% 1 5/ 5 3 5/ 6 3 5/ 7 1 5/ 8 75% 2 5/ 9 3 5/10 4 5/12 4 5/13 3 5/15 90% 1 5/16 2 5/17 1 5/18 95% 1 5/20 1 5/22 1 5/23 1 5/24 99% _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 12 23:04:55 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Tue Apr 12 23:12:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [mostly OT] Last Spring Frosts in Minneapolis for Years 1900-1998 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425C9A67.6050202@visi.com> As a guy who has vegetable and flower gardens this is great information. Planting to early can cause low yield as well as frost damage. I keep the deer and rabbits out with a fence, the frost is a little tougher to work with ;-) I'm not a UNIX/Linux expert but I gain so much knowledge about UNIX/Linux from being on the list and then every once in a while a gem comes along like you have sent. Thanks Sam. Mike Miller wrote: > Thought some of you would be interested. There is a little unix worked > in here... > > I have a lot of temperature data in a giant file. I think I got it by > grabbing a bunch of different files on the web and putting them > together. They are from a legitimate source. In case you want to see > the file, it is here: > > http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/all_temps.txt > > That tells me all the temperature highs and lows for every day for the > 99 years from January 1, 1900 to December 31, 1998. Using that file > and some neat computer tricks, I put together the table below about > last frosts for every spring for all 99 years. The earliest final > frost was on April 7, but that only happened once. In 25% of years, > the last frost was on April 22 or earlier. In 50% of years the last > frost was on April 28 or earlier. It's really only safe to plant after > May 24, but it's 90% safe after May 15. I'd say that if our weather > forecast predicts no cold weather for a few days, you can be safe even > a little earlier. > > On Sunday afternoon our 103-year-old neighbor told us there would be > no more frost this year. He also called me "Tom" so I have to wonder > if he was thinking clearly. I'd say that we have about a 90% chance of > at least one more frost before summer. > > Mike > > > tail +12 all_temps.txt | head -36159 | gawk '$2 < 8 && $5 < 33 {print > $0}' > junk > > # in tcsh shell: > > foreach year ( `seq 1900 1998` ) > grep ^$year junk | tail -1 >>! junk_2 > end > > gawk '{print $2" "$3}' junk_2 | numalign | sort -n | uniq -c | perl > -pe 's/^ (.) (.) (..)$/ $1 $2\/$3/' > ! output.txt > > numalign is here: > http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/misc > > > Last Spring Frosts for Years 1900-1998 > ======================================== > Frequency Date Chance of No More Frost > --------- ---- ----------------------- > 1 4/ 7 > 1 4/ 8 > 2 4/ 9 > 1 4/10 5% > 1 4/11 > 1 4/12 > 1 4/13 > 1 4/14 > 2 4/15 10% > 1 4/19 > 3 4/20 > 4 4/21 > 6 4/22 25% > 4 4/23 > 5 4/24 > 2 4/25 > 5 4/26 > 6 4/27 > 3 4/28 50% > 1 4/29 > 3 4/30 > 4 5/ 1 > 4 5/ 2 > 5 5/ 3 67% > 1 5/ 5 > 3 5/ 6 > 3 5/ 7 > 1 5/ 8 75% > 2 5/ 9 > 3 5/10 > 4 5/12 > 4 5/13 > 3 5/15 90% > 1 5/16 > 2 5/17 > 1 5/18 95% > 1 5/20 > 1 5/22 > 1 5/23 > 1 5/24 99% > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Apr 13 08:23:49 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Wed Apr 13 08:24:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings Message-ID: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> This announcement comes as bad news to me: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/13/0359253&tid=187&tid=215&tid=98 I've only had the chance to attend one beer meeting so far that was organized through Meetup.com, but I thoroughly enjoyed that one. BIG THANKS DEBORAH!. But I think this new fee is outrageously high. $19 a year, maybe, maybe... but a month! So screw 'em. Seems it shouldn't be too hard to reorganize beer meetings through this list. Comments? Kraig From wendigo at clancf.net Wed Apr 13 09:05:38 2005 From: wendigo at clancf.net (Jim Masters) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:02:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions Message-ID: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> I am looking for opinions on re-thinking my backup setup. Currently I backup my Windows, Linux, and Solaris systems to a disk on a Windows 2000 box, then I do occasional backups to my DLT drives. I am looking for opinions on the best way to get all of these system backups automated. I use Windows Backup for the Windows systems and Tar for the Unix systems, I would prefer to be able to backup these systems directly to tape, but I would be willing to still backup to disk then to tape. I have looked at Amanda, Bacula, and a number of commercial solutions. Thanks, Jim Masters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/857b3052/attachment.html From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 13 09:16:05 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:16:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Kraig Jones wrote: > This announcement comes as bad news to me: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/13/0359253&tid=187&tid=215&tid=98 Wow. That's annoying. While I can't exactly fault them (we all gotta make money, right?), it's still frustrating to lose out on a resource like that (unless we want to pool the fee). > I've only had the chance to attend one beer meeting so far that was > organized through Meetup.com, but I thoroughly enjoyed that one. BIG > THANKS DEBORAH!. But I think this new fee is outrageously high. $19 a > year, maybe, maybe... but a month! So screw 'em. I haven't had a chance to attend since Deb picked up the Coordinator post (time/schedule constraints, whee), but I know that the job has largely been undervalued. Mad props to her. > Seems it shouldn't be too hard to reorganize beer meetings through this > list. Comments? Wow, ancient history coming back. We used to announce here, but the RSVP factor was always an issue (and pissed off quite a few venues, thanks to our attendance guesstimates). One would think that it wouldn't be too hard to drum up a CGI to deal with that, though. Jima former beer meeting announcer From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Apr 13 09:20:02 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:22:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> Message-ID: <425D2A92.7090508@tcq.net> (Oops, replied to wrong place. Sorry, Clayton.) Oh, yes! I got all agitated and forgot about the beer meeting page. But still, the TCLUG beer meeting page, as well as the monthly meeting announcements, have seemed to be often out-of-date, for the past year or so. The Meetup thing seemed to have revived interest. Also, through Meetup I got in contact with another interest group. It was small, but fun -- only the organizer and myself at the last meeting. I'm upset that this group is now in danger of dying. IMO Meetup's new policy is unfair to the organizers, and a stupid idea on Meetup's part. Kraig fci wrote: >I'm confused.. do you know about this: >http://www.tclug.org/beermeeting/ >? > >I didn't reply to all.. not totally clearly what you're after... > >clayton > > > From adam at whee.org Wed Apr 13 09:21:43 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:36:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Jim Masters wrote: > I am looking for opinions on re-thinking my backup setup. Currently I > backup my Windows, Linux, and Solaris systems to a disk on a Windows > 2000 box, then I do occasional backups to my DLT drives. I am looking > for opinions on the best way to get all of these system backups > automated. I use Windows Backup for the Windows systems and Tar for the > Unix systems, I would prefer to be able to backup these systems directly > to tape, but I would be willing to still backup to disk then to tape. > > I have looked at Amanda, Bacula, and a number of commercial solutions. Is Bacula insufficient for some reason? IIRC, it has clients for all of your above systems. I haven't used it, but looked into it for a similar situation I had. From brockn at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 10:34:52 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Apr 13 10:36:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> Message-ID: <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> I spent four months implemting Bacula in a production environment on Windows/Mac/Linux servers. It has a ton of features but it is a MAJOR PAIN. Eventually I just setup a machine with a huge disk. Then I use SSH and something like the following: tar -cf /dir_to_backup | ssh backupuser@backuphost -C "cd /backup_storage/ && cat > backup_of_host.tar" I imagine on the backup host you could write the files to a tape instead of the making then into a file. Maybe something like this?? ( I have never used a tape drive in my life. So this is probaly wrong. tar -c /dir_to_backup | ssh backupuser@backuphost -C "tar -c name_of_tape_drive -" You can install tar for windows and Putty's plink to make it work on Windows (ask me for info). Of course you need your private keys setup correctly. Brock On 4/13/05, Adam Maloney wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Jim Masters wrote: > > > I am looking for opinions on re-thinking my backup setup. Currently I > > backup my Windows, Linux, and Solaris systems to a disk on a Windows > > 2000 box, then I do occasional backups to my DLT drives. I am looking > > for opinions on the best way to get all of these system backups > > automated. I use Windows Backup for the Windows systems and Tar for the > > Unix systems, I would prefer to be able to backup these systems directly > > to tape, but I would be willing to still backup to disk then to tape. > > > > I have looked at Amanda, Bacula, and a number of commercial solutions. > > Is Bacula insufficient for some reason? IIRC, it has clients for all of > your above systems. I haven't used it, but looked into it for a similar > situation I had. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "There is one and only one social responsibility of business - to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/6c422a21/attachment.htm From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 13 10:49:22 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Apr 13 10:50:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > I spent four months implemting Bacula in a production environment on > Windows/Mac/Linux servers. It has a ton of features but it is a MAJOR PAIN. > Eventually I just setup a machine with a huge disk. Then I use SSH and > something like the following: > > tar -cf /dir_to_backup | ssh backupuser@backuphost -C "cd /backup_storage/ && cat > backup_of_host.tar" Check out BackupPC: http://backuppc.sf.net It uses rsync-over-ssh to backup the files, and does nifty things like hardlinking identical files to save space. IE, on my personal BackupPC server: Sizes before pooling (linking) and compression: 30 full backups, 114.87gb 112 incr backups, 118.09gb Total actual disk space used: 42.63gb. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drue at therub.org Wed Apr 13 11:00:24 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:02:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050413160024.GL93186@therub.org> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Check out BackupPC: http://backuppc.sf.net > > It uses rsync-over-ssh to backup the files, and does nifty things like > hardlinking identical files to save space. IE, on my personal BackupPC > server: > > Sizes before pooling (linking) and compression: > 30 full backups, 114.87gb > 112 incr backups, 118.09gb > > Total actual disk space used: 42.63gb. Nate, thanks for that post. I've been using rsnapshot for a few weeks now and I've been really happy with it. But, it has some big limitations, like no compression. BackupPC looks like a great app, i'm gonna check it out today, dan From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 13 11:03:59 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:04:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <20050413160024.GL93186@therub.org> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <20050413160024.GL93186@therub.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Dan Rue wrote: > Nate, thanks for that post. I've been using rsnapshot for a few weeks > now and I've been really happy with it. But, it has some big > limitations, like no compression. BackupPC looks like a great app, i'm > gonna check it out today, It's nifty. Only downside is that it's hard to read the files off the backup disk directly - the best way is to use their utilities to spit out a tar file. Of course, if you just need to restore a couple files, you can download them via the web interface. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drue at therub.org Wed Apr 13 11:09:37 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:10:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <20050413160024.GL93186@therub.org> Message-ID: <20050413160937.GM93186@therub.org> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Dan Rue wrote: > > Nate, thanks for that post. I've been using rsnapshot for a few weeks > > now and I've been really happy with it. But, it has some big > > limitations, like no compression. BackupPC looks like a great app, i'm > > gonna check it out today, > > It's nifty. > > Only downside is that it's hard to read the files off the backup disk > directly - the best way is to use their utilities to spit out a tar file. > > Of course, if you just need to restore a couple files, you can download > them via the web interface. Yeah, the compression is nice and the pooling is /really/ neat. Rsnapshot has really nice snapshot directories on disk that I really like. I am not backing up any windows boxes and I don't have to deal with too many users, so the front end isn't a big deal to me (rsnapshot has no front end). Still, I'll have a look it might be worth switching to save the disk space.. dan From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 11:14:53 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:16:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/13/05, Brock Noland wrote: > > I spent four months implemting Bacula in a production environment on > Windows/Mac/Linux servers. It has a ton of features but it is a MAJOR PAIN. Could you explain? I'm on the verge of implemting Baclua, and I'd like to hear what misgiving you have. From brockn at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 11:20:29 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:20:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> Sure, The biggest problem I had was that if I left, no one else would ANY idea about how to use it. In addition the Mac and Windows clients are not extremely featureful. In addition to these, it took me about an two hours to setup my backup entire system using ssh, tar, and plink (windows). It took me at least two entire days to get the first test machine backing up with bacula. The BIGGEST problem for me was that there was no way to let users restore there own files. With my system I am working on a PHP script which will allow users to restore their own files (not directly to the host, but via email). Hope this helps! Brock On 4/13/05, Erik Anderson wrote: > > On 4/13/05, Brock Noland wrote: > > > > I spent four months implemting Bacula in a production environment on > > Windows/Mac/Linux servers. It has a ton of features but it is a MAJOR > PAIN. > > Could you explain? I'm on the verge of implemting Baclua, and I'd > like to hear what misgiving you have. > -- "There is one and only one social responsibility of business - to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/f5c73623/attachment.html From wendigo at clancf.net Wed Apr 13 11:32:48 2005 From: wendigo at clancf.net (Jim Masters) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:29:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> Message-ID: <004601c54046$6f2f33e0$1b00000a@jim> It's not that its insufficient, it's because its overkill. I only need to backup about 10 systems total, and was curious as to what people like to use. I have looked at BackupPC and rsnapshot. I liked both but since I had never heard about either I was curious if anyone would mention them. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Jim Masters wrote: > > > I am looking for opinions on re-thinking my backup setup. Currently I > > backup my Windows, Linux, and Solaris systems to a disk on a Windows > > 2000 box, then I do occasional backups to my DLT drives. I am looking > > for opinions on the best way to get all of these system backups > > automated. I use Windows Backup for the Windows systems and Tar for the > > Unix systems, I would prefer to be able to backup these systems directly > > to tape, but I would be willing to still backup to disk then to tape. > > > > I have looked at Amanda, Bacula, and a number of commercial solutions. > > Is Bacula insufficient for some reason? IIRC, it has clients for all of > your above systems. I haven't used it, but looked into it for a similar > situation I had. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From tex at nerp.net Wed Apr 13 11:34:12 2005 From: tex at nerp.net (tex@nerp.net) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> Message-ID: <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Jima's right, and I think CGI is a good idea. Supplying the venues a more accurate number of attendees was the goal with Meetup but I would have prefered it to be done all in one place. I won't be using Meetup.com with the new fee policy so if someone would like to volunteer their valuable time to write a RSVP form for the Beer Meeting page it would be much appreciated. See you guys tomorrow night, Deborah > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Kraig Jones wrote: >> This announcement comes as bad news to me: >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/13/0359253&tid=187&tid=215&tid=98 > > Wow. That's annoying. While I can't exactly fault them (we all gotta > make money, right?), it's still frustrating to lose out on a resource like > that (unless we want to pool the fee). > >> I've only had the chance to attend one beer meeting so far that was >> organized through Meetup.com, but I thoroughly enjoyed that one. BIG >> THANKS DEBORAH!. But I think this new fee is outrageously high. $19 a >> year, maybe, maybe... but a month! So screw 'em. > > I haven't had a chance to attend since Deb picked up the Coordinator post > (time/schedule constraints, whee), but I know that the job has largely > been undervalued. Mad props to her. > >> Seems it shouldn't be too hard to reorganize beer meetings through this >> list. Comments? > > Wow, ancient history coming back. We used to announce here, but the RSVP > factor was always an issue (and pissed off quite a few venues, thanks to > our attendance guesstimates). One would think that it wouldn't be too > hard to drum up a CGI to deal with that, though. > > Jima > former beer meeting announcer > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 11:36:36 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:38:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/13/05, Brock Noland wrote: > > Hope this helps! It certainly does! Thanks for the information. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 13 11:46:56 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:48:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > The BIGGEST problem for me was that there was no way to let users > restore there own files. With my system I am working on a PHP script > which will allow users to restore their own files (not directly to the > host, but via email). Hope this helps! BackupPC does offer that functionality - you can give users access to their own files only via the web interface, so they click the files and can download a zip of them. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From brockn at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 11:56:02 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:56:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80504130956555c133b@mail.gmail.com> I did not know about BackupPC at the time, I plan on checking it out as it looks really cool! On 4/13/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > > The BIGGEST problem for me was that there was no way to let users > > restore there own files. With my system I am working on a PHP script > > which will allow users to restore their own files (not directly to the > > host, but via email). Hope this helps! > > BackupPC does offer that functionality - you can give users access to > their own files only via the web interface, so they click the files and > can download a zip of them. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > -- "There is one and only one social responsibility of business - to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/d040a642/attachment.htm From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 12:31:07 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Apr 13 12:32:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80504130956555c133b@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80504130956555c133b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/13/05, Brock Noland wrote: > I did not know about BackupPC at the time, I plan on checking it out as it > looks really cool! Agreed - very cool project. One quesion, though for those who have used BackupPC...do they provide any sort of mechanism for getting the backup repo onto tape in a semi-sane fashion? From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Apr 13 12:45:41 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Apr 13 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: [mostly OT] Last Spring Frosts in Minneapolis for Years 1900-1998 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mike Miller wrote: > I have a lot of temperature data in a giant file. I think I got it by > grabbing a bunch of different files on the web and putting them > together. They are from a legitimate source. In case you want to see > the file, it is here: > > http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/all_temps.txt I just updated that file to include 1/1/1999 - 12/31/2003. The data came originally from here: http://climate.umn.edu/doc/twin_cities/twin_cities.htm I also created this page: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/ and I just added this info on date of last spring frost for every year from 1900 - 2003: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/temperature/last_spring_frost.txt The info I sent yesterday did not include these years: 1999 4/12 2000 4/21 2001 4/18 2002 5/ 2 2003 4/17 Mike From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 12:58:06 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Wed Apr 13 12:58:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> Message-ID: <307a337f05041310584eb69f06@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/05, Jim Masters wrote: > I am looking for opinions on re-thinking my backup setup. Currently I backup > my Windows, Linux, and Solaris systems to a disk on a Windows 2000 box, then > I do occasional backups to my DLT drives. I am looking for opinions on the > best way to get all of these system backups automated. I use Windows Backup > for the Windows systems and Tar for the Unix systems, I would prefer to be > able to backup these systems directly to tape, but I would be willing to > still backup to disk then to tape. > > I have looked at Amanda, Bacula, and a number of commercial solutions. > > Thanks, > Jim Masters > Ultrabac, a commerical solution works well. They have Unix and Linux agents that you load on those platforms. It would allow you to backup to drives on the Windows server or to tape. It works well and the company is good to deal with. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 13 12:59:33 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Apr 13 13:02:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80504130956555c133b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Erik Anderson wrote: > Agreed - very cool project. One quesion, though for those who have used > BackupPC...do they provide any sort of mechanism for getting the backup > repo onto tape in a semi-sane fashion? Carl's looked into that, and can comment more; one option that certainly works is to use BackupPC's command to create a tar file, and copy that out to tape. Of course, you need enough tape space to cover the actual space used on all your physical boxes then, but it does make restores easy. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 13 13:08:15 2005 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Wed Apr 13 13:08:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80504130956555c133b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050413130815.A26720@felix.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 12:31:07PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > Agreed - very cool project. One quesion, though for those who have > used BackupPC...do they provide any sort of mechanism for getting the > backup repo onto tape in a semi-sane fashion? Yes, the default setup lets you dump the archive to tape using tar. It allows for cutting your arhive in properly-sized chunks, etc. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From adam at whee.org Wed Apr 13 13:56:44 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Wed Apr 13 14:12:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> References: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 tex@nerp.net wrote: > I won't be using Meetup.com with the new fee policy so if someone would > like to volunteer their valuable time to write a RSVP form for the Beer > Meeting page it would be much appreciated. I'd be happy to do it (in Perl), I just need some more details. Like where the data is going/stored. And it won't be the prettiest webpage in the universe. Whoever (webmaster, tex?) can contact me off-list to organize. From tim.oudin at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 14:34:07 2005 From: tim.oudin at gmail.com (Tim Oudin) Date: Wed Apr 13 14:42:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> References: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Message-ID: On 4/13/05, tex@nerp.net wrote: > Jima's right, and I think CGI is a good idea. Supplying the venues a more > accurate number of attendees was the goal with Meetup but I would have > prefered it to be done all in one place. > > I won't be using Meetup.com with the new fee policy so if someone would > like to volunteer their valuable time to write a RSVP form for the Beer > Meeting page it would be much appreciated. Is there an attachment to CGI or is PHP an option? Sounds pretty simple... -- timo == thoughts truncated == From brockn at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 14:53:03 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Apr 13 14:54:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <425D1D65.6080705@tcq.net> <1186.70.92.14.174.1113410052.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb805041312536ff4f125@mail.gmail.com> Randall Kindley on the TCPHP was looking into a Meetup.com look alike, you may want to contact him to see if he found something instead of creating something from scratch. On 4/13/05, Tim Oudin wrote: > > On 4/13/05, tex@nerp.net wrote: > > Jima's right, and I think CGI is a good idea. Supplying the venues a > more > > accurate number of attendees was the goal with Meetup but I would have > > prefered it to be done all in one place. > > > > I won't be using Meetup.com with the new fee policy > so if someone would > > like to volunteer their valuable time to write a RSVP form for the Beer > > Meeting page it would be much appreciated. > > Is there an attachment to CGI or is PHP an option? Sounds pretty simple... > > -- > timo > > == thoughts truncated == > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "There is one and only one social responsibility of business - to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/192470e6/attachment-0001.html From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 13 15:40:11 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed Apr 13 15:42:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for backup opinions In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <003101c54031$e05fb130$1b00000a@jim> <741dcbb805041308341bfabef5@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb8050413092068a50b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050413204011.GA11903@wookimus.net> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 11:20:29AM -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > The biggest problem I had was that if I left, no one else would ANY > idea about how to use it. It is a very well documented software package. I find it hard to believe that your replacement would be illiterate. A well documented deployment, as we all should probably have, would definitely help as well. bacula - Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package) bacula-client - Network backup, recovery and verification (Client meta-package) bacula-common - Network backup, recovery and verification (Common Support files) bacula-console - Network backup, recovery and verification (Mgmt. Console) bacula-console-gnome - Network backup, recovery and verification (Console, Gnome version) bacula-director-common - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director common files) bacula-director-mysql - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) bacula-director-pgsql - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) bacula-director-sqlite - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) bacula-doc - Network backup, recovery and verification - Documentation bacula-fd - Network backup, recovery and verification (Filer daemon) bacula-sd - Network backup, recovery and verification (Storage daemon) bacula-server - Network backup, recovery and verification (Server meta-package) bacula-wxconsole - Network backup, recovery and verification (Console, Gnome version) > The BIGGEST problem for me was that there was no way to let users > restore there own files. Traditional and many commercial backup system don't allow this. Bacula was designed to compete with these. I will point out that the documentation for Bacula hints to a wxWidget application called Console:: Bacula Console services is the program that allows the administrator or user to communicate with the Bacula Director (see above). Currently, the Bacula Console is available in three versions. The first and simplest is to run the Console program in a shell window (i.e. TTY interface). Most system administrators will find this completely adequate. The second version is a GNOME GUI interface that for the moment (23 November 2003) is far from complete, but quite functional as it has most the capabilities of the shell Console. The third version is a wxWidgets GUI with an interactive file restore. It also has most the capabilities of the shell console, allows command completion with tabulation, and gives you instant help about the command you are typing. For more details see the Bacula Console Design Document. As far as a project that has promise for the future, Bacula is something worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned. It is quite attractive compared to home-rolled systems (no offense intended), though it sounds like BackupPC is quite featureful. backuppc - high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs libfile-rsyncp-perl - A perl based implementation of an Rsync client Personally, I'm quite happy with Amanda Backup, though I have had a long history with it and understand how to set it up quickly. Now that you can back up to hard drive fairly easily, it's even more useful to me. My favorite feature of Amanda is its ability to automatically plan full and incremental backups and balance them across the full tapeset. Amanda is VERY good at efficiently using the entire "tape" (whether the tape is physical or a virtual filesystem based one). Where it lacks is in front-end utilities... Again, Brock's biggest feature need would not be met: user-initiated and controlled restores. amanda-client - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Client) amanda-common - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Libs) amanda-server - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Server) cdrw-taper - taper replacement for amanda to support backups to CD-RW or DVD+RW mtx - controls tape autochangers Amanda has recently received more attention, both from a development and a user standpoint. I expect to see more user-friendly tools in the relatively near future. Were I to invest time into learning a new system, Bacula would probably be it. Other backup packages that matched the search for "amanda": chiark-backup - backup system for small systems and networks flexbackup - Flexible backup tool for small to medium sized installations One other project to look at is Mondo Backup and Restore. Very cool idea. Makes it simple to create recovery CD's for your Linux and Windows systems: basically any filesystem that Linux can read/write. Optionally, it'll use partimage to make a dd image copy of partitions it can't read. You could, and people have, set up a mondo backup routine that creates images on an NFS/SMB share. mindi - creates boot/root disks based on your system mindi-busybox - Collection of shell utilities in a single executable for Mindi/Mondo mindi-kernel - failsafe Linux kernel for Mindi/Mondo mindi-partimagehack - disk partition imaging utility for Mindi/Mondo mondo - powerful disaster recovery suite mondo-doc - manual for Mondo, a powerful disaster recovery suite -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On top of that I absolutely gurantee they would not spend the time learning it until they needed a file restored. For a large operation, 15+ servers I think Bacula would be great solution! Brock On 4/13/05, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 11:20:29AM -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > > The biggest problem I had was that if I left, no one else would ANY > > idea about how to use it. > > It is a very well documented software package. I find it hard to > believe that your replacement would be illiterate. A well documented > deployment, as we all should probably have, would definitely help as > well. > > bacula - Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package) > bacula-client - Network backup, recovery and verification (Client meta-package) > bacula-common - Network backup, recovery and verification (Common Support files) > bacula-console - Network backup, recovery and verification (Mgmt. Console) > bacula-console-gnome - Network backup, recovery and verification (Console, Gnome version) > bacula-director-common - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director common files) > bacula-director-mysql - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) > bacula-director-pgsql - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) > bacula-director-sqlite - Network backup, recovery and verification (Director daemon) > bacula-doc - Network backup, recovery and verification - Documentation > bacula-fd - Network backup, recovery and verification (Filer daemon) > bacula-sd - Network backup, recovery and verification (Storage daemon) > bacula-server - Network backup, recovery and verification (Server meta-package) > bacula-wxconsole - Network backup, recovery and verification (Console, Gnome version) > > > The BIGGEST problem for me was that there was no way to let users > > restore there own files. > > Traditional and many commercial backup system don't allow this. > Bacula was designed to compete with these. I will point out that the > documentation for Bacula hints to a wxWidget application called > Console:: > > Bacula Console services is the program that allows the > administrator or user to communicate with the Bacula Director (see > above). Currently, the Bacula Console is available in three > versions. The first and simplest is to run the Console program in > a shell window (i.e. TTY interface). Most system administrators > will find this completely adequate. The second version is a GNOME > GUI interface that for the moment (23 November 2003) is far from > complete, but quite functional as it has most the capabilities of > the shell Console. The third version is a wxWidgets GUI with an > interactive file restore. It also has most the capabilities of the > shell console, allows command completion with tabulation, and > gives you instant help about the command you are typing. For more > details see the Bacula Console Design Document. > > As far as a project that has promise for the future, Bacula is > something worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned. It is quite > attractive compared to home-rolled systems (no offense intended), > though it sounds like BackupPC is quite featureful. > > backuppc - high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs > libfile-rsyncp-perl - A perl based implementation of an Rsync client > > Personally, I'm quite happy with Amanda Backup, though I have had a > long history with it and understand how to set it up quickly. Now > that you can back up to hard drive fairly easily, it's even more > useful to me. My favorite feature of Amanda is its ability to > automatically plan full and incremental backups and balance them > across the full tapeset. Amanda is VERY good at efficiently using the > entire "tape" (whether the tape is physical or a virtual filesystem > based one). Where it lacks is in front-end utilities... Again, > Brock's biggest feature need would not be met: user-initiated and > controlled restores. > > amanda-client - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Client) > amanda-common - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Libs) > amanda-server - Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Server) > cdrw-taper - taper replacement for amanda to support backups to CD-RW or DVD+RW > mtx - controls tape autochangers > > Amanda has recently received more attention, both from a development > and a user standpoint. I expect to see more user-friendly tools in > the relatively near future. Were I to invest time into learning a new > system, Bacula would probably be it. > > Other backup packages that matched the search for "amanda": > > chiark-backup - backup system for small systems and networks > flexbackup - Flexible backup tool for small to medium sized installations > > One other project to look at is Mondo Backup and Restore. Very cool > idea. Makes it simple to create recovery CD's for your Linux and > Windows systems: basically any filesystem that Linux can read/write. > Optionally, it'll use partimage to make a dd image copy of partitions > it can't read. You could, and people have, set up a mondo backup > routine that creates images on an NFS/SMB share. > > mindi - creates boot/root disks based on your system > mindi-busybox - Collection of shell utilities in a single executable for Mindi/Mondo > mindi-kernel - failsafe Linux kernel for Mindi/Mondo > mindi-partimagehack - disk partition imaging utility for Mindi/Mondo > mondo - powerful disaster recovery suite > mondo-doc - manual for Mondo, a powerful disaster recovery suite > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- "There is one and only one social responsibility of business - to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Apr 13 17:58:02 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed Apr 13 17:58:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I looked into the "meetup" things a year or so ago and got really disgusted with their control schemes to gain advertising and membership lists. The "coordinator" becomes their shill and deflects the appearance of spam. I have a strong aversion to having any connection with "meetups". TCLUG Beer Meetings are appealing. Have tried to attend those, but I have had conflicts getting there (arrived too late for several) and would not consider downtown Minneapolis as a venue except in a few cases like Black Forest Inn that actually have free parking. Sorry to see Jima's reign end. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Kraig Jones > Cc: TCLUG-list > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Kraig Jones wrote: > > This announcement comes as bad news to me: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/13/0359253&tid=187&tid=215&tid=98 > > Wow. That's annoying. While I can't exactly fault them (we all gotta > make money, right?), it's still frustrating to lose out on a resource like > that (unless we want to pool the fee). > > > I've only had the chance to attend one beer meeting so far that was > > organized through Meetup.com, but I thoroughly enjoyed that one. BIG > > THANKS DEBORAH!. But I think this new fee is outrageously high. $19 a > > year, maybe, maybe... but a month! So screw 'em. > > I haven't had a chance to attend since Deb picked up the Coordinator post > (time/schedule constraints, whee), but I know that the job has largely > been undervalued. Mad props to her. > > > Seems it shouldn't be too hard to reorganize beer meetings through this > > list. Comments? > > Wow, ancient history coming back. We used to announce here, but the RSVP > factor was always an issue (and pissed off quite a few venues, thanks to > our attendance guesstimates). One would think that it wouldn't be too > hard to drum up a CGI to deal with that, though. > > Jima > former beer meeting announcer From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 13 18:46:19 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Apr 13 18:46:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Beer Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Chuck Cole wrote: *snip: meetup.com* > TCLUG Beer Meetings are appealing. Have tried to attend those, but I > have had conflicts getting there (arrived too late for several) and > would not consider downtown Minneapolis as a venue except in a few > cases like Black Forest Inn that actually have free parking. Strictly speaking, Black Forest is in south Minneapolis, not downtown. Another good one (IMO, at least) was Grumpy's, despite the rather limited free parking; I'm not sure how others feel about it. > Sorry to see Jima's reign end. Actually, it was never my reign -- I shared responsibilities with Lorry and Munir. As I recall, Lorry generally made reservations, Munir changed the web page, and I sent out the email announcements. It seemed like a pretty good way to keep the workload minimal. Before we took over the post, Jacque did a fine job as Beer Meeting Coordinator; she "passed the torch" due to time constraints. Jima From droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com Wed Apr 13 20:48:03 2005 From: droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com (Dave Roe) Date: Wed Apr 13 20:48:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure Message-ID: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays this message: IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer suggestions? I've attached the output of 'glxinfo' command on my linux machine. -- Dave Roe droe@NOSPAMreal-time.com -------------- next part -------------- name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.3 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.3 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 GTS/AGP/3DNOW! OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 71.74 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_paletted_texture, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_fence, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_register_combiners, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, GL_NV_vertex_program, GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_multitexture, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SUN_slice_accum glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0x21 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x22 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x23 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x24 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x25 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x26 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x27 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x28 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x29 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2a 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2b 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2c 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2d 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2e 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x2f 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x30 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 13 21:31:42 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed Apr 13 21:32:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20050414023142.GE12744@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:48:03PM -0500, Dave Roe wrote: > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > this message: > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > > Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer > suggestions? 1. Can you start a simple xterm? 2. IIRC you will not get accelerated OpenGL since the Linux implementation of the indirect rendering is software only. > I've attached the output of 'glxinfo' command on my linux machine. 3. Can you run this on the IRIX machine (over the ssh connection) and see what you get? florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050413/a22e7834/attachment.pgp From droe at real-time.com Wed Apr 13 22:23:36 2005 From: droe at real-time.com (Dave Roe) Date: Wed Apr 13 22:24:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <20050414023142.GE12744@iucha.net> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> <20050414023142.GE12744@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20050414032336.GA10092@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> * Florin Iucha [2005-04-13 21:31 -0500]: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:48:03PM -0500, Dave Roe wrote: > > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 > > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading > > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > > this message: > > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > > > > Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer > > suggestions? > > 1. Can you start a simple xterm? > Yep. > 2. IIRC you will not get accelerated OpenGL since the Linux > implementation of the indirect rendering is software only. > > > I've attached the output of 'glxinfo' command on my linux machine. > > 3. Can you run this on the IRIX machine (over the ssh connection) > and see what you get? > See the attachment. -- Dave Roe droe@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- display: localhost:10.0 server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.3 server glx extensions (GLX_): EXT_visual_info, EXT_visual_rating, SGIX_fbconfig, SGIX_pbuffer, SGI_video_sync, SGI_swap_control. client glx version 1.3 client glx extensions (GLX_): EXT_visual_info, EXT_visual_rating, SGIX_fbconfig, SGIX_pbuffer, SGI_video_sync, SGI_swap_control. OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 GTS/AGP/3DNOW! OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 71.74 OpenGL extensions (GL_): ARB_imaging, EXT_abgr, EXT_blend_color, EXT_blend_minmax, EXT_blend_subtract, EXT_packed_pixels, EXT_texture_object, EXT_vertex_array, SGIS_generate_mipmap, SGIS_texture_lod. glu version: 1.3 Irix 6.5 glu extensions (GLU_): EXT_abgr, EXT_nurbs_tessellator, EXT_object_space_tess, EXT_packed_pixels, EXT_texture. visual x bf lv rg d st r g b a ax dp st accum buffs ms id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro sz sz sz sz bf th cl r g b a ns b ----------------------------------------------------------------- 0x21 24 tc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 . 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x22 24 dc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 . 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x23 24 tc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2a 24 dc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x24 24 tc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 . 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2b 24 dc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 . 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x25 24 tc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2c 24 dc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 8 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . 0x26 24 tc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2d 24 dc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x27 24 tc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 8 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2e 24 dc . 32 . r y . 8 8 8 8 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x28 24 tc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x2f 24 dc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x29 24 tc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 8 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . 0x30 24 dc . 32 . r . . 8 8 8 8 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . 16 . r y . 5 6 5 . 4 16 . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . 16 . r . . 5 6 5 . 4 16 . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . 16 . r y . 5 6 5 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . 16 . r . . 5 6 5 . 4 . . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . . . r . . . . . . 4 16 . 16 16 16 16 . . -1 -1 ?? . . . r . . . . . . 4 24 8 16 16 16 16 . . From cdf123 at cdf123.net Wed Apr 13 22:00:28 2005 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Wed Apr 13 22:44:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] force nfs without dns? Message-ID: <425DDCCC.6000501@cdf123.net> Hi all, Is it possible to force nfs to only use ipaddresses and not rely on dns? My main server at home hosts all my dvdrips and music for a MythTV box in the livingroom. Lately Comcast has been having hardware problems, and I've lost connections, and today I find that their main dns servers are unreachable. I became aware of it because /usr/bin/exportfs would hang when trying to start the nfs server. After trying to find some sort of log or kernel error somewhere and comming up with nothing, I checked google for a while (quite difficult with no/intermitent dns) and found that if there are any entries in /var/lib/nfs/*tab that exportfs can't resolve it will hang. I removed all the entries from the rmtab file, and the rest were already empty, but still no go. I remembered the ISC reports on the DNS Poisoning that's been happening lately, and used thier public dns servers they posted in the diarys, and sure enough exportfs loaded without a problem. I have no idea why it worked, but it did. There were no entries in /var/lib/nfs/*tab, that and all the entries that were there were listed by ip anyway. Even the /etc/export file only lists ips. As far as I could tell, everything related to nfs was using ip addresses. All the addresses are private 192.168.0.* so it can't do a reverse lookup. Nothing is pointing me to why my nfs server froze waiting for a dns query. I'm using the public dns servers from ISC (4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3) for the time being until Comcast fixes their hardware issues. And for a failsafe, I've added the MythTV box to /etc/hosts. But for future reference can I somehow disable dns in the nfs server tools? Or is there anything I can do to prevent future Comcast (or other isp) problems from spilling over onto me? I do run a caching nameserver, is there some way I can rig it that would allow nfs to work when the main dns servers are unreachable? Thanks all, Chris Frederick From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 14 07:36:13 2005 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Thu Apr 14 07:36:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] force nfs without dns? Message-ID: Make your caching name server the primary DNS server (first on the list in '/etc/resolv.conf') and make sure all local hosts are in '/etc/hosts' (full and unqualified names). If you don't want to use '/etc/hosts' you can just configure named to be authoritative for your hosts (then you could do reverse lookups too). Good luck, Troy >>> Chris Frederick 04/13/05 10:00 PM >>> I do run a caching nameserver, is there some way I can rig it that would allow nfs to work when the main dns servers are unreachable? From thurianknight at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:07:58 2005 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:08:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> Message-ID: <7bdea6e30504140607a7a1562@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/05, Dave Roe wrote: > > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > this message: > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > > Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer > suggestions? Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on every Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I am reading this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. If my assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, there is no X server running on display :10. You will either need to modify the app to run on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight here. Anyone feel free to correct me. -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA [Insert witty .sig here.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050414/98f361c5/attachment.htm From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Apr 14 08:18:17 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:18:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] force nfs without dns? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Make your caching name server the primary DNS > server (first on the list in '/etc/resolv.conf') and make > sure all local hosts are in '/etc/hosts' (full and unqualified > names). If you don't want to use '/etc/hosts' you can > just configure named to be authoritative for your hosts > (then you could do reverse lookups too). In particular, dnsmasq (http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/) might be a good solution for this. It's a combination DHCP & DNS server that can serve up local DNS data (both forward and reverse) from /etc/hosts on the server. It's fairly lightweight, and the configuration is dead simple (generally, one line each in /etc/hosts and /etc/dnsmasq.conf per static DHCP entry). Discovered it a couple months ago, and I've transitioned all of my private networks to using it. Jima From florin at iucha.net Thu Apr 14 08:19:28 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:23:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30504140607a7a1562@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> <7bdea6e30504140607a7a1562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050414131928.GF12744@iucha.net> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 08:07:58AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on every > Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I am reading > this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. If my > assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, there is no X > server running on display :10. You will either need to modify the app to run > on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. > Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight here. > Anyone feel free to correct me. Me! Me! Me! Dan is ssh-ing into the box, tunneling the X connection. So, on the Irix box ssh listens on :10 and forwards the requests to the actual display on the client machine. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The IRIX machine displays > > this message: > > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": > ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > > > > Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer > > suggestions? > > Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on every > Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I am reading > this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. If my > assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, there is no X > server running on display :10. You will either need to modify the app to run > on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. > Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight > here. Anyone feel free to correct me. You are correct that X runs on :0, but he is using ssh to forward X. X sets up a local display on the Irix box (localhost:10) that forwards to the linux system on display :0. This is a very cool feature worth reading about if you ever need to do remote display. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:25:19 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:28:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> <7bdea6e30504140607a7a1562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/14/05, slushpupie@gmail.com wrote: > On 4/14/05, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on every > > Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I am reading > > this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. If my > > assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, there is no X > > server running on display :10. You will either need to modify the app to run > > on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. > > Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight > > here. Anyone feel free to correct me. > > You are correct that X runs on :0, but he is using ssh to forward X. > X sets up a local display on the Irix box (localhost:10) that forwards > to the linux system on display :0. This is a very cool feature worth > reading about if you ever need to do remote display. Sorry- fingers got away from me. X dosnt set up localhost:10 on the Irix box, ssh does. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From peter.chase at epredix.com Thu Apr 14 08:31:33 2005 From: peter.chase at epredix.com (Peter Chase) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:33:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure Message-ID: Whenever I have that issue it's because I haven't turned on X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. You'll have to make sure you restart all sshd daemons on the Irix box with a kill -1 after you make the change. That at least what you have to do on Solaris. -Pete -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:19 AM To: Dave Sherman Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 08:07:58AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on > every Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I > am reading this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. > If my assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, > there is no X server running on display :10. You will either need to > modify the app to run on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. > Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight here. > Anyone feel free to correct me. Me! Me! Me! Dan is ssh-ing into the box, tunneling the X connection. So, on the Irix box ssh listens on :10 and forwards the requests to the actual display on the client machine. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! From thurianknight at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:27:27 2005 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:33:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> <7bdea6e30504140607a7a1562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bdea6e305041406274fa06d76@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/05, slushpupie@gmail.com wrote: > > On 4/14/05, Dave Sherman wrote: > > On 4/13/05, Dave Roe wrote: > > > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake > 10.1 > > > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is > > loading > > > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > > > this message: > > > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": > > ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > > > > > > Does anybody have any experience with this type of thing and can offer > > > suggestions? > > > > Doesn't the X server usually run on display :0 by default? It does on > every > > Linux distro I've ever used, including Mandrake 10.1. But if I am > reading > > this correctly, your app is trying to start on display :10. If my > > assumptions are correct, then the message is exactly correct, there is > no X > > server running on display :10. You will either need to modify the app to > run > > on display :0, or start an additional X server on display :10. > > Please note I'm not an X guru, but I think I've got my facts straight > > here. Anyone feel free to correct me. > > You are correct that X runs on :0, but he is using ssh to forward X. > X sets up a local display on the Irix box (localhost:10) that forwards > to the linux system on display :0. This is a very cool feature worth > reading about if you ever need to do remote display. > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > I've used ssh to tunnel X before, but I never realized that it ran on display :10. Thanks for the info. Florin, I saw yours too :-) Thanks to both of you. -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA [Insert witty .sig here.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050414/1cd7fec1/attachment.htm From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:43:45 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 08:44:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/14/05, Peter Chase wrote: > Whenever I have that issue it's because I haven't turned on X11 > forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. You'll have to make sure you > restart all sshd daemons on the Irix box with a kill -1 after you make > the change. That at least what you have to do on Solaris. He was able to get an xterm , so forwarding is on. On newer clients, there is a new option for "Trusted" connections. Try making your ssh connection with a -Y instead of -X. (Read the man page for more details about this) -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com Thu Apr 14 09:48:37 2005 From: droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com (Dave Roe) Date: Thu Apr 14 09:48:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050414144837.GA24362@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> > On 4/14/05, Peter Chase wrote: > He was able to get an xterm , so forwarding is on. On newer clients, > there is a new option for "Trusted" connections. Try making your ssh > connection with a -Y instead of -X. (Read the man page for more > details about this) > > Thanks, but that didn't seem to change anything. -- Dave Roe droe@NOSPAMreal-time.com From nate at refried.org Thu Apr 14 10:05:51 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Thu Apr 14 10:06:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20050414150550.GA14643@refried.org> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:48:03PM -0500, Dave Roe wrote: > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > this message: > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER The program is using IrisGL which is the precursor to OpenGL. It's not going to work without some help. Some quick Googling brings up this link. IGL is an Open Source port of IrisGL library to OpenGL: http://users.volja.net/wesley/igl.html You can do some more searching to learn more about the history of IrisGL and OpenGL. Nate From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Apr 14 11:40:59 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Apr 14 11:48:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504141640.j3EGexW29733@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Need small laptop hard drives Looking to buy 3 laptop hard drives between 1.3 and 9 Gbytes size. Should be cheep. Fixing up some old laptops for newbies. Chuck Seller Email address: cncole at earthlink dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 13:45:39 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu Apr 14 13:46:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] force nfs without dns? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got Comcast, and I have no issues with my internal network when Comcast goes poof. Are you getting public IP address from Comcast for all your computers, or do you have your network behind a router and you're NATing, or do you have some other setup? If you're home network is a private subnet, you should just be able to add that subnet to the hosts.allow and/or /etc/exports and be fine. Ie: /bigdamndisk 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 15:01:51 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:02:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 Message-ID: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> Greetings: I have a firewall question, but it concerns routing to a linux box... :) My experience with firewalls is pretty limited - I'm used to the Home Network firewall/gateway boxes that have neat little http servers in them and forwarding ports to a web server behind said firewall is pretty straight forward - and darn it, if you have two web servers behind that little firewall, you have to run one on a different port. Now I'm dealing with a Cisco PIX 501. I have telnet access to it from inside the network it protects. I have a web server inside the network and it has an internal IP address of say 10.1.1.115 the PIX has an internal and an external address. What I want to know is: If I had an extra external IP address and reserved it for the web server (and set up an A record using that IP and a really cool host name), could the PIX take traffic going to that extra IP and forward just traffic on port 80 to the web server at 10.1.1.115 ? I would think this could be done as one would think that some folks have many many web servers behind a firewall that all run off port 80 .... I'm looking at the Command line interface guide for the PIX and it's thick.... :) just knowing this can be done will give me the courage to dive in!!! Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050414/74a53815/attachment.html From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 14 15:09:41 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:24:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 In-Reply-To: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, John Meier wrote: > If I had an extra external IP address and reserved it for the web server > (and set up an A record using that IP and a really cool host name), could > the PIX take traffic going to that extra IP and forward just traffic on port > 80 to the web server at 10.1.1.115 ? You technically don't even need another IP address - as long as port 80 on the external address isn't already being forwarded somewhere, you could just use that. You're looking at something like: static (inside,outside) your.public.ip webserver.private.ip netmask \ 255.255.255.255 0 0 conduit permit tcp host your.public.ip eq www any (This is assuming that you aren't already mapping your public IP to a different internal IP for some other service) I think that's it, it's from memory and I haven't touched one in a few months. It's also assuming that the existing config is relatively sane and complete. > I'm looking at the Command line interface guide for the PIX and it's > thick.... :) just knowing this can be done will give me the courage to dive > in!!! Yes, it's very ugly. From cdf123 at cdf123.net Thu Apr 14 15:51:24 2005 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:48:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] force nfs without dns? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425ED7CC.4010408@cdf123.net> Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > I've got Comcast, and I have no issues with my internal network when > Comcast goes poof. Are you getting public IP address from Comcast for > all your computers, or do you have your network behind a router and > you're NATing, or do you have some other setup? > > If you're home network is a private subnet, you should just be able to > add that subnet to the hosts.allow and/or /etc/exports and be fine. > > Ie: > > /bigdamndisk 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw) > # cat /etc/exports /bak2/arcade 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync) /bak2/ogg 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync) /bak2/mp3 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync) /bak2/camera 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync) /bak3 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,sync) /dvd1 192.168.1.0/24(ro,all_squash,anonuid=0,anongid=0,sync) /dvd2 192.168.1.0/24(ro,all_squash,anonuid=0,anongid=0,sync) The server is the router doing NAT for the MythTV box, a Mandrake Laptop, and an WinXP Desktop (roommate's). The MythTV box is the only one on the 192.168.1.0/24 network, the other two are on a wireless 192.168.0.0/24 net. The server does have a public domain and uses a dynamic dns service to keep the ip updated, but I don't think that should be a problem. Chris From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Apr 14 16:04:26 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Apr 14 16:04:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 In-Reply-To: <216451.1113510717026.JavaMail.root@Sniper29> References: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> <216451.1113510717026.JavaMail.root@Sniper29> Message-ID: <200504141604.27544.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Thursday 14 April 2005 03:09 pm, Adam Maloney wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, John Meier wrote: > > If I had an extra external IP address and reserved it for the web server > > (and set up an A record using that IP and a really cool host name), could > > the PIX take traffic going to that extra IP and forward just traffic on > > port 80 to the web server at 10.1.1.115 ? > > You technically don't even need another IP address - as long as port 80 on > the external address isn't already being forwarded somewhere, you could > just use that. > > You're looking at something like: > > static (inside,outside) your.public.ip webserver.private.ip netmask \ > 255.255.255.255 0 0 > conduit permit tcp host your.public.ip eq www any > This syntax is correct, though you should use ACLs instead of conduits as Cisco has decided to phase out conduit support eventually. Plus, whats up with the switched "to" and "from" order in conduits? From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 14 16:00:53 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 14 16:16:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 In-Reply-To: <200504141604.27544.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> <216451.1113510717026.JavaMail.root@Sniper29> <200504141604.27544.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Justin Krejci wrote: >> static (inside,outside) your.public.ip webserver.private.ip netmask \ >> 255.255.255.255 0 0 >> conduit permit tcp host your.public.ip eq www any >> > > This syntax is correct, though you should use ACLs instead of conduits as > Cisco has decided to phase out conduit support eventually. Plus, whats up > with the switched "to" and "from" order in conduits? It's a conspiracy by The Cabal to confuse the masses. CONDUIT is an anagram of "TINC duo", obviously referring to Sandy Lerner and Leonard Bosack, the cisco "duo". There Is No Cabal, Adam From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Apr 15 08:30:05 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Fri Apr 15 08:31:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1113571805.425fc1dd4c71e@joshwelch.com> Quoting Adam Maloney : > static (inside,outside) your.public.ip webserver.private.ip netmask \ > 255.255.255.255 0 0 > conduit permit tcp host your.public.ip eq www any > Conduit has gone away as of 6.3 release if I am not mistaken, I know its gone in 6.3(4). They are now access-list statements, though the syntax is pretty much the same. Josh From adam at whee.org Fri Apr 15 08:36:45 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Fri Apr 15 08:51:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (sorta OT) Routing to a linux web server behind a cisco pix 501 In-Reply-To: <1113571805.425fc1dd4c71e@joshwelch.com> References: <65293fcc05041413014b679d29@mail.gmail.com> <1113571805.425fc1dd4c71e@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > Conduit has gone away as of 6.3 release if I am not mistaken, I know its > gone in 6.3(4). They are now access-list statements, though the syntax > is pretty much the same. pix# show ver Cisco PIX Firewall Version 6.3(4) ... If they did finally pull it, it must've been later than 6.3(4), I still have conduit statements and am running precisely that version. From droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com Fri Apr 15 18:19:37 2005 From: droe at NOSPAMreal-time.com (Dave Roe) Date: Fri Apr 15 18:21:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenGL client failure In-Reply-To: <20050414150550.GA14643@refried.org> References: <20050414014803.GA6454@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> <20050414150550.GA14643@refried.org> Message-ID: <20050415231937.GA9546@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:48:03PM -0500, Dave Roe wrote: > > I'm trying to display an IRIX GUI application via ssh on my Mandrake 10.1 > > system, which is using the native NVIDIA driver. The X log file is loading > > the NVIDIA and glx modules fine. The IRIX machine displays > > this message: > > IrisGL: ERROR #106 Couldn't connect to display ":10.0": ERR_NOWINDOWSERVER > Solution FYI: I turns out there's a command line option that allows remote connections. The little documentation to which I had access didn't mention this. (Ever have one of those weeks?) -- Dave Roe droe@NOSPAMreal-time.com From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sun Apr 17 11:26:18 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Sun Apr 17 11:27:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist Message-ID: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP (Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? What do you folks do? Chris From josh at tcbug.org Sun Apr 17 14:28:46 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Sun Apr 17 12:31:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4262B8EE.7080502@tcbug.org> Chris Schumann wrote: > Hey all, > > I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail > running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. > > However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected > because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. > > So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP > (Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? > > What do you folks do? > > Chris > Yes, use your comcast's mail server as a 'smarthost' From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Apr 17 12:45:45 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun Apr 17 12:47:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <23279495.1113759458574.JavaMail.root@sniper17> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <23279495.1113759458574.JavaMail.root@sniper17> Message-ID: <200504171245.46260.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Sunday 17 April 2005 02:28 pm, Josh Paetzel wrote: > Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail > > running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. > > > > However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected > > because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. > > > > So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP > > (Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? > > > > What do you folks do? > > > > Chris > > Yes, use your comcast's mail server as a 'smarthost' That would be the easiest way to resolve the problem. Getting your own static IP address would not be a bad idea probably so email sending to you would likely be more consistant since your IP would always be the same. I assume you are using some sort of dynamic dns service like dyndns.com or one of the others to host your domain? From josh at joshwelch.com Sun Apr 17 15:05:49 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Sun Apr 17 15:07:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113768349.4262c19d87b2c@joshwelch.com> Quoting Chris Schumann : > Hey all, > > I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail > running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. > > However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected > because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. > > So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP > (Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? > > What do you folks do? > > Chris > Personally, I run a virtual Linux server that is hosted on non-dynamic address space and my mail goes through there. Alternatively, you could use your ISP as your smart host, which would be tthe "right" way to handle it. Getting a static IP through Comcast may not help you with this issue, frequently the static and dynamic blocks will be lumped together by these dynamic block lists if the ISP in question does not do a good job of seperating them. Josh From smac at visi.com Sun Apr 17 16:14:08 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Sun Apr 17 16:21:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> I think you have to switch to a business class service with Comcast to get a static IP address that is really static. What they might do if it isn't business class is a MAC reservation within the DHCP scope for an address, this would cause your mail to get bounced as a dynamic address. The address would still be in the scope that is dynamic. They use the MAC address on your router and tell the scope the address associated with this MAC can't be given to any other MAC address. Many businesses use reservations within a DHCP scope to keep from having static addresses on all their servers, it's easier to manage. Sam. Chris Schumann wrote: >Hey all, > >I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail >running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. > >However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected >because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. > >So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP >(Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? > >What do you folks do? > >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Apr 17 22:32:52 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Apr 17 22:33:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504180332.j3I3Wqn07467@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Custom Built Pc Hi, I have a custom built pc that I was wondering if anyone would like to purchase from me in the ballpark area of $395.00 to $450.00. Motherboard: Asrock - K7VT4A+ CPU: Amd Athlon 1.8Ghz Ram: 256mb Hdd: 80gb Optical Drive: Dvd+/-Rw (Plus and Minus) Video Card: ATI Radeon 9200 128mb AGP Sound Card: On Motherbord Nic: On Motherboard Ram types that are supported are: Pc-2100,2700,3200(I've found that 3200 works the best) No Operating System Loaded, Harddrive will be DOD 7pass wiped before sale. Cash and Certified Checks are the only means of money that Will be accepted. I will have pictures soon. I have not had any issues with Mepis Linux on this pc, it installed just fine. Contact Email: windbk@hotmail.com Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Apr 17 22:48:19 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Sun Apr 17 22:49:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050418034819.GA19938@wookimus.net> On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 11:26:18AM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > What do you folks do? I have a friend act as my public primary MX host. He then transfers mail to my hostname, not an IP address, which I register with dyndns.org. That way, email will always make it to me, even if my IP address changes. If it does, my host name will be updated with dyndns.org, and I'll still get my email. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050417/aa89f109/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 18 09:42:42 2005 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Apr 18 09:44:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4263C762.2070405@veldy.net> Chris Schumann wrote: >Hey all, > >I set up a Linux server at home, bought a domain name and have e-mail >running on it pretty well. Sendmail and Cyrus-IMAP. > >However, I just sent something to someone on Lycos, and it was rejected >because SORBS lists my IP address as being dynamic... which is correct. > >So now what? Is it the "right" thing to send my e-mail through my ISP >(Comcast)? Do I *need* to masquerade when I do? Should I get a static IP? > >What do you folks do? > >Chris > > > The best thing to do is to get a static IP address for your mail server and make sure you have reverse lookups setup at your provider. Since you use Comcast, this is not really an option, so the next best thing for you might be to use Comcast as a smart host (relay). -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 07C7 BF05 4176 F50B A083 4542 0118 1315 761F D300 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. From tclug at greatlakedata.com Mon Apr 18 12:34:54 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Mon Apr 18 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? Message-ID: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> hi folks, our director has heard about blackboard, and he's interested. he'll soon lose interest when he learns the price, unless we happen to find a donor who will pay for it. i'd love to bring in a suitable FOS substitute. is there anything close? a quick peek at opensourcecms.com says there's lots out there, but lots of what? your experiences, pointers to reviews and relevant discussions especially welcome. tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 13:10:00 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:11:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mrtg graph config Message-ID: <17f6da25050418111055cb5477@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys The shortest period graph on my mrtg setup (Debian testing) is a daily graph using a five minute average. My nightly 'apt-get update' spikes the bandwidth high enough that a lot of the traffic I'm interested is barely visible at the bottom of the graph. What I'd like to do is set up a graph that covers the last few hours using the five minute data. I've been rummaging through cfgmaker, /usr/share/doc, mrtg.org and google without finding out how to do it. Can anyone point me toward the right docs? Thanks, Steve From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 18 13:13:22 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> References: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20050418181322.GE1461@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 12:34:54PM -0500, greg wm wrote: > i'd love to bring in a suitable FOS substitute [to blackboard]. is > there anything close? Blackboard looks like a customized Content Management System; there are LOTS out there. Zope 2, Zope 3, Plone, Drupal, etc. I would keep an eye on SchoolTool, which promises to be a great K-12 administrative tool. As far as teaching apps, search on freshmeat.net, perhaps. > a quick peek at opensourcecms.com says there's lots out there, but > lots of what? your experiences, pointers to reviews and relevant > discussions especially welcome. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050418/4b7b74e6/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 18 13:14:39 2005 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:17:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On 4/18/05 12:34 PM, "greg wm" wrote: > our director has heard about blackboard, and he's interested. he'll > soon lose interest when he learns the price, unless we happen to find a > donor who will pay for it. Greg, I highly recommend Moodle, an open source course management system. I know a number of people who are familiar with both Blackboard and Moodle, and all of them prefer Moodle. We've got over 1,500 kids in 150 courses here at Hopkins. See my recent blog entry for more info: http://technosavvy.org/?p=197 -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org/ From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 18 13:40:04 2005 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:40:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: <20050418181322.GE1461@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On 4/18/05 1:13 PM, "Chad Walstrom" wrote: > Blackboard looks like a customized Content Management System; there > are LOTS out there. Zope 2, Zope 3, Plone, Drupal, etc. Good point. It's not always clear whether CMS means "content management system" or "course management system." In the ed-tech world it's usually the latter. The course management systems are really specific types of content management system, but with all the hooks that students and teachers need generally built right in. > I would keep an eye on SchoolTool, which promises to be a great K-12 > administrative tool. As far as teaching apps, search on > freshmeat.net, perhaps. SchoolTool's built on Zope and looks really promising. This is more a school management tool than it is a content/course management system. For a smaller school with modest needs, SchoolTool might be just the ticket. I'm afraid it's not quite ready for the really stringent reporting and tracking requirements that most districts have to face. I know the project lead, and he's definitely got the project going in a good direction. Given enough time they might be able to compete with the "big boys" in that business. FWIW, in Minnesota the "big boys" normally consist of Apple's PowerSchool, Pearson's SASI, a local company Infinite Campus, another local outfit TIES TSIS, and a few other smaller players. It's a very competitive marketplace. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org/ From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Apr 18 13:40:33 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:45:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4263FF21.9080706@cruiskeen.com> Tim Wilson wrote: > On 4/18/05 12:34 PM, "greg wm" wrote: > > >>our director has heard about blackboard, and he's interested. he'll >>soon lose interest when he learns the price, unless we happen to find a >>donor who will pay for it. > > Yes - moodle, definitely http://www.moodle.org. Also - um - I do moodle hosting so ---- But Moodle is definitely what you want to look at no matter what. > Greg, > > I highly recommend Moodle, an open source course management system. I know a > number of people who are familiar with both Blackboard and Moodle, and all > of them prefer Moodle. We've got over 1,500 kids in 150 courses here at > Hopkins. See my recent blog entry for more info: > > http://technosavvy.org/?p=197 > > -Tim > From tclug at greatlakedata.com Mon Apr 18 14:48:19 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Mon Apr 18 14:49:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> Message-ID: <42640F03.5060106@greatlakedata.com> > Sam MacDonald wrote: >> I think you have to switch to a business class service with Comcast to >> get a static IP address that is really static. >> What they might do if it isn't business class is a MAC reservation >> within the DHCP scope for an address, this would cause your mail to get >> bounced as a dynamic address. The address would still be in the scope >> that is dynamic. >> They use the MAC address on your router and tell the scope the address >> associated with this MAC can't be given to any other MAC address. >> >> Many businesses use reservations within a DHCP scope to keep from having >> static addresses on all their servers, it's easier to manage. hmm, interesting. nvpf.org has a static ip with cpinternet.com. postfix delivers delightedly to almost everywhere. i registered onto the AwOL bulk mail whitelist, they accepted small amounts of mail anyway but larger amounts needed registration with their whitelist. for verizon, i have the following transport map entries: verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com .verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com i didn't need to do anything special for verizon until just a couple weeks ago. when i noticed verizon stuff bouncing, that's how i fixed it. i considered complaining to verizon, but took the path of least resistence instead. i presumed at the time that perhaps verizon has started enforcing SPF or something, but haven't looked into it. but sam, might verizon be bouncing me because cpinternet is doing as you say? or, since our mail goes directly to everywhere else, does it not really apply to us? From jack at jacku.com Mon Apr 18 17:37:12 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Apr 18 15:37:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> References: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <200504181537.12997.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 18 April 2005 10:34 am, greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > our director has heard about blackboard, and he's interested. he'll > soon lose interest when he learns the price, unless we happen to find a > donor who will pay for it. > > i'd love to bring in a suitable FOS substitute. is there anything close? > I guess it depends on what you are looking to do. Others have already responded with some of what's out there, but to best answer the question I'd like to know if you are looking at an online learning environment (see Tim Wilsons replies) or something more general (As mentioned by Chad Wallstrom). FWIW I've got plenty of experience with Zope 2 and Plone. I've got some experience with Mambo (a PHP based CMS which appears to power the opensourcecms.com site). But in order to give useful information I need a little more of an idea as to why Blackboard or something similar is interesting. > a quick peek at opensourcecms.com says there's lots out there, but lots > of what? your experiences, pointers to reviews and relevant discussions > especially welcome. > One quick note: If you decide to look into Moodle search "moodle linux journal" at google and you should find a reference to an article published within the last year on Moodle. -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 18 22:04:59 2005 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Apr 18 22:05:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Compiling support for "graphical" text Message-ID: Hi everyone, When I work on either of my Debian servers using our RaritanParagon KVM switch, the text extends past the edge of the screen a bit and it's really annoying. If I run Knoppix, for example, the graphical text mode that it uses has none of those problems and looks great. I've never been able to figure out how to configure a kernel to produce the graphical text mode. Can anybody pass me a clue? The server is a Dell 1850, by the way. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org/ From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 07:50:20 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Tue Apr 19 07:51:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Compiling support for "graphical" text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/18/05, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > When I work on either of my Debian servers using our RaritanParagon KVM > switch, the text extends past the edge of the screen a bit and it's really > annoying. If I run Knoppix, for example, the graphical text mode that it > uses has none of those problems and looks great. I've never been able to > figure out how to configure a kernel to produce the graphical text mode. Can > anybody pass me a clue? The server is a Dell 1850, by the way. > I think that it is just a matter of getting the right refresh rate specified. In the newer (2.6) kernels you can actually specify the resolution and refresh rate right in the kernel config. If it is an older kernel you will have to pass a string to the kernel at boot time (i.e. vga=791) You can find a table of the different vga modes supported by the kernel by doing some light googling. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org Mon Apr 18 13:32:06 2005 From: gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org (greg whitley mott) Date: Wed Apr 20 10:21:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> Message-ID: <4263FD26.5010408@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> > Sam MacDonald wrote: >> I think you have to switch to a business class service with Comcast to >> get a static IP address that is really static. >> What they might do if it isn't business class is a MAC reservation >> within the DHCP scope for an address, this would cause your mail to get >> bounced as a dynamic address. The address would still be in the scope >> that is dynamic. >> They use the MAC address on your router and tell the scope the address >> associated with this MAC can't be given to any other MAC address. >> >> Many businesses use reservations within a DHCP scope to keep from having >> static addresses on all their servers, it's easier to manage. hmm, interesting. nvpf.org has a static ip with cpinternet.com. postfix delivers delightedly to almost everywhere. i registered onto the AwOL bulk mail whitelist, they accepted small amounts of mail anyway but larger amounts needed registration with their whitelist. for verizon, i have the following transport map entries: verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com .verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com i didn't need to do anything special for verizon until just a couple weeks ago. when i noticed verizon stuff bouncing, that's how i fixed it. i considered complaining to verizon, but took the path of least resistence instead. i presumed at the time that perhaps verizon has started enforcing SPF or something, but haven't looked into it. but sam, might verizon be bouncing me because cpinternet is doing as you say? or, since our mail goes directly to everywhere else, does it not really apply to us? From smac at visi.com Wed Apr 20 11:12:38 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Wed Apr 20 11:20:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <4263FD26.5010408@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> <4263FD26.5010408@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> Message-ID: <42667F76.1060501@visi.com> You have cpinternet.com (formerly isd.net) as your ISP. I use to have isd.net then cpinternet.com as my provider. I now use visi.com (think global act local) nonviolentpeaceforce.org is your domain name used for email and web site. nvpf.org is another domain named used for nonviolentpeaceforce.org. who did the domain name registration on the 2 names? when I did a "whois" on both names they come up with different information (IP etc...) when I ping the domain names I get different IP addresses (big clue) when I tracert the domain names I get different information. (this is key) when I http://www.nvpf.org I get to http://www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org (the reverse is true) some where the DNS "may" have an issue determining where or what IP addresses the names are to use. it looks like 209.240.253.93 and 216.15.192.47 are pointing to the same place. email does not like that it likes an exact place to go especially when receiving servers are verifying the sending server as a static address. When the IP addresses don't match the email bounces. *************************** C:\>ping www.nvpf.org Pinging www.nvpf.org [209.240.253.93] with 32 bytes of data: Request timed out. Ping statistics for 209.240.253.93: Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 0, Lost = 1 (100% loss), ----------------------------------- C:\>ping www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org Pinging www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org [216.15.192.47] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 216.15.192.47: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=120 Reply from 216.15.192.47: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=120 Reply from 216.15.192.47: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=120 Reply from 216.15.192.47: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=120 Ping statistics for 216.15.192.47: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 48ms, Maximum = 61ms, Average = 51ms *************************** Trace Routes C:\Documents and Settings>tracert www.nvpf.org Tracing route to www.nvpf.org [209.240.253.93] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms smac-gw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.190] 2 38 ms 55 ms 49 ms c6400-1-nrp-3.border.mpls.visi.com [209.98.0.19] 3 86 ms 34 ms 34 ms ge6-0-0.core-1.mpls.visi.com [209.98.3.222] 4 34 ms 34 ms 34 ms ge6-0.core-3.mpls.visi.com [209.98.3.197] 5 43 ms 34 ms 35 ms POS5-0.GW5.MSP1.ALTER.NET [157.130.98.1] 6 43 ms 34 ms 36 ms 0.so-0-3-0.XL2.MSP1.ALTER.NET [152.63.67.142] 7 51 ms 44 ms 44 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.CHI2.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.26] 8 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms 0.so-6-0-0.BR6.CHI2.ALTER.NET [152.63.71.98] 9 52 ms 45 ms 45 ms 204.255.169.10 10 46 ms 44 ms 98 ms p5-0-0.RAR2.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net [65.106.6.137] 11 682 ms 45 ms 45 ms p4-0-0.MAR2.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net [65.106.6.146] 12 70 ms 68 ms 66 ms p4-0-0-0.MAR2.Minneapolis-MN.us.xo.net [207.88.84.62] 13 55 ms 54 ms 54 ms p15-0.CHR1.Minneapolis-MN.us.xo.net [207.88.84.46] 14 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms 67.109.64.66.ptr.us.xo.net [67.109.64.66] 15 62 ms 54 ms 54 ms mpls-dsl.cpinternet.com [209.240.254.46] 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. ----------------------------------- C:\Documents and Settings>tracert www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org Tracing route to www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org [216.15.192.47] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 5 ms 3 ms 3 ms smac-gw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.190] 2 50 ms 34 ms 34 ms c6400-1-nrp-3.border.mpls.visi.com [209.98.0.19] 3 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms ge6-0-0.core-1.mpls.visi.com [209.98.3.222] 4 42 ms 34 ms 34 ms ge6-0.core-3.mpls.visi.com [209.98.3.197] 5 49 ms 35 ms 35 ms POS5-0.GW5.MSP1.ALTER.NET [157.130.98.1] 6 50 ms 35 ms 35 ms 0.so-0-3-0.XL1.MSP1.ALTER.NET [152.63.67.138] 7 479 ms 49 ms 63 ms 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.STL3.ALTER.NET [152.63.88.242] 8 57 ms 49 ms 49 ms 185.ATM7-0.GW2.STL3.ALTER.NET [152.63.90.117] 9 57 ms 49 ms 49 ms cybercon-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.163.138] 10 56 ms 49 ms 50 ms www.minneapolis-stpaul.net [216.15.192.47] Trace complete. Sam. greg whitley mott wrote: >> Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>> I think you have to switch to a business class service with Comcast >>> to get a static IP address that is really static. >>> What they might do if it isn't business class is a MAC reservation >>> within the DHCP scope for an address, this would cause your mail to >>> get bounced as a dynamic address. The address would still be in the >>> scope that is dynamic. >>> They use the MAC address on your router and tell the scope the >>> address associated with this MAC can't be given to any other MAC >>> address. >>> >>> Many businesses use reservations within a DHCP scope to keep from >>> having static addresses on all their servers, it's easier to manage. >> > > hmm, interesting. > > nvpf.org has a static ip with cpinternet.com. postfix delivers > delightedly to almost everywhere. i registered onto the AwOL bulk > mail whitelist, they accepted small amounts of mail anyway but larger > amounts needed registration with their whitelist. > > for verizon, i have the following transport map entries: > verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com > .verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com > > i didn't need to do anything special for verizon until just a couple > weeks ago. when i noticed verizon stuff bouncing, that's how i fixed > it. i considered complaining to verizon, but took the path of least > resistence instead. i presumed at the time that perhaps verizon has > started enforcing SPF or something, but haven't looked into it. > > but sam, might verizon be bouncing me because cpinternet is doing as > you say? or, since our mail goes directly to everywhere else, does it > not really apply to us? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 20 11:48:04 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed Apr 20 11:49:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] scsi hard drive rescue help Message-ID: <53517.64.8.149.180.1114015684.squirrel@64.8.149.180> We have a Red Hat 8 raid 1 server that lost it's partition table. We managed to fix it with gpart, but it does not have a boot partition any longer. Any idea how I can make the drives bootable again? Raymond From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 20 12:05:39 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed Apr 20 12:08:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] scsi hard drive rescue help In-Reply-To: <4266894A.80103@visi.com> References: <53517.64.8.149.180.1114015684.squirrel@64.8.149.180> <4266894A.80103@visi.com> Message-ID: <55351.64.8.149.180.1114016739.squirrel@64.8.149.180> we can run linux rescue from the cd. It finds the linux partition and mounts it at /mnt/sysimage > So /boot nolonger exists. > > can you boot with a diskette and mount the drives? > > Sam. > > > > Raymond Norton wrote: > >>We have a Red Hat 8 raid 1 server that lost it's partition table. We >>managed to fix it with gpart, but it does not have a boot partition any >>longer. Any idea how I can make the drives bootable again? >> >> >>Raymond >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 21 10:37:44 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu Apr 21 10:40:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery Message-ID: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> We managed to rescue all the home folders, and user info files from our server that crashed. We have copied them over to a new Fedora core 3 install. Is there a script I can run that can give the users in /etc/passwd full control of their original home folder. As of now, only root has permission to access them. Raymond From drue at therub.org Thu Apr 21 10:56:20 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Thu Apr 21 10:58:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Message-ID: <20050421155620.GO93186@therub.org> cut -d : -f 1,6 /etc/passwd > users.sh then you'll have a file like this: drue:/home/drue blah:/home/blah foo:/home/foo bar:/home/bar Remove lines that are not valid users. Then, in vim: :%s/^/chown -R /g :%s/:/ /g You'll have a file now like this: chown -R drue /home/drue chown -R blah /home/blah chown -R foo /home/foo chown -R bar /home/bar Basically you can just run that file, then, to set groups. Edit it again and :%s/chown/chgrp/ And run it again. Easy enough? I'm sure others can consolidate some steps. For instance, you could run that first command through sed to do a lot of the regular expression work. But realistically this is how i'd do it. Ah what the heck, just for fun: cut -d : -f 1,6 /etc/passwd | sed 's/^/chown -R /' | sed 's/:/ /' > users.sh Also make sure to edit out system accounts before running users.sh. Dan On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:37:44AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > We managed to rescue all the home folders, and user info files from our > server that crashed. We have copied them over to a new Fedora core 3 > install. Is there a script I can run that can give the users in > /etc/passwd full control of their original home folder. As of now, only > root has permission to access them. > > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 21 10:43:50 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 21 10:58:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Message-ID: for USER in `ls /home`; do chown $USER /home/$USER; done You might want to do: for USER in `ls /home`; do echo "chown $USER /home/$USER"; done first to make sure the command looks good. On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > We managed to rescue all the home folders, and user info files from our > server that crashed. We have copied them over to a new Fedora core 3 > install. Is there a script I can run that can give the users in > /etc/passwd full control of their original home folder. As of now, only > root has permission to access them. > > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thecubic at thecubic.net Thu Apr 21 11:05:07 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Thu Apr 21 11:05:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Message-ID: <200504211105.15776.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Thursday 21 April 2005 10:37, Raymond Norton wrote: > We managed to rescue all the home folders, and user info files from our > server that crashed. We have copied them over to a new Fedora core 3 > install. Is there a script I can run that can give the users in > /etc/passwd full control of their original home folder. As of now, only > root has permission to access them. If you preserved the uid and gid information on the home directories, all you would have to do is match the new uids with the old ones (assuming they're different). If it isn't preserved, you have to change the owner on every home directory. If it still doesn't work, then there's another problem. assuming the users are set up, all the directories and files in /home are the same name as the owner, and that the correct group to be associated with them is 'users', you could type in this script: for homedir in `ls -1 /home`; do chown -vR $homedir:users /home/$homedir ; done if you want a 'test run' of the logic, put an echo before chown. -- -dave Dave Carlson PGP/GPG Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 (visit http://www.gnupg.org for more information) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050421/eb9381a2/attachment.pgp From drue at therub.org Thu Apr 21 11:10:39 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Thu Apr 21 11:12:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Message-ID: <20050421161039.GP93186@therub.org> On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:43:50AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > for USER in `ls /home`; do chown $USER /home/$USER; done > > You might want to do: > for USER in `ls /home`; do echo "chown $USER /home/$USER"; done > > first to make sure the command looks good. > Ok, so this is way better than mine. I just learned cut the other day and had it stuck in my head :) (even thoguh Adam forgot to chown -R) dan From adam at whee.org Thu Apr 21 11:00:08 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Apr 21 11:14:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: <20050421161039.GP93186@therub.org> References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> <20050421161039.GP93186@therub.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Dan Rue wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:43:50AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >> for USER in `ls /home`; do chown $USER /home/$USER; done >> >> You might want to do: >> for USER in `ls /home`; do echo "chown $USER /home/$USER"; done >> >> first to make sure the command looks good. >> > > Ok, so this is way better than mine. I just learned cut the other day > and had it stuck in my head :) May not be the best way - I'm doing this while troubleshooting a bad switch at a remote site, so this isn't getting 100% of my brain... From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 21 11:45:53 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu Apr 21 11:46:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> <20050421161039.GP93186@therub.org> Message-ID: <44186.64.8.149.180.1114101953.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Thanks guys. Worked perfectly! From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 20:11:10 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Thu Apr 21 20:12:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity Message-ID: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> I use a gmail account for posting to and receiving mail from TC-LUG. I've noticed an odd thing lately. If I post a question (that's not a reply to an existing thread) my post will not show up in my gmail inbox unless someone responds to it. The mail is hitting the list - I can see it in the web archives, but I don't receive it. I ended up double posting the first time it happened. I can't find anything in the gmail settings that looks like it would cause that, and 'Receive your own posts to the list?' is set to yes in Mailman. Any other gmail users have this problem? Thanks, Steve From justin.kremer at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 20:23:06 2005 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Thu Apr 21 20:24:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity In-Reply-To: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> References: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27e6356a05042118234e887695@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Steve Swantz wrote: > If I post a question (that's not a reply to an existing thread) my > post will not show up in my gmail inbox unless someone responds to it. > The mail is hitting the list - I can see it in the web archives, but I > don't receive it. I ended up double posting the first time it > happened. I am on several mailing lists with my gmail account, and it always does that. Apparently gmail is "smart" enough to see an e-mail come in from a mailing list and know that you sent it, and since you have it in your sent box, it doesn't put the new one in your inbox, too. I don't know if there is any way to fix it. You may need to request that as a feature. -- Justin Kremer "The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful." - Mark Twain From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Apr 21 20:29:39 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Apr 21 20:30:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity In-Reply-To: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> References: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Steve Swantz wrote: > I use a gmail account for posting to and receiving mail from TC-LUG. > I've noticed an odd thing lately. > > If I post a question (that's not a reply to an existing thread) my post > will not show up in my gmail inbox unless someone responds to it. The > mail is hitting the list - I can see it in the web archives, but I don't > receive it. I ended up double posting the first time it happened. > > I can't find anything in the gmail settings that looks like it would > cause that, and 'Receive your own posts to the list?' is set to yes in > Mailman. > > Any other gmail users have this problem? I don't send from gmail, but I do receive there. Anyway, I notice that gmail has a system of keeping only one copy of every message. If your "sent" copy is the same as your "received" copy, it will not save both. When you search "All Mail" for messages, your sent message should be there even if no one responded, isn't that correct? Or are you having a problem with "labels?" Mike From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 10:00:18 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Apr 22 10:00:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity In-Reply-To: References: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken you can also configure your TCLUG subscription to not send you copies of your own messages. Perhaps you have that option enabled. When I send a reply gmail adds my reply to the thread. Have you setup labels and filters? -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:09:40 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri Apr 22 11:10:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity In-Reply-To: References: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da050422090962a4b568@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > If I'm not mistaken you can also configure your TCLUG subscription to > not send you copies of your own messages. Perhaps you have that option > enabled. I have the same problem, it's a Gmail quirk. It's not specific to this list either, seveal lists I'm on have the same issue. > When I send a reply gmail adds my reply to the thread. Have you setup > labels and filters? Replies are fine. When you send an e-mail to start a new thread, it won't show up in your inbox until someone replies. Once you receive a reply to your original message, both will show up. I've just learned to deal with it, but it's definitely a feature request for Gmail. -Brian From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Apr 22 11:20:45 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri Apr 22 11:22:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TC-LUG list/gmail oddity In-Reply-To: <2c6699da050422090962a4b568@mail.gmail.com> References: <17f6da250504211811234be002@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da050422090962a4b568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Brian Wall wrote: > Replies are fine. When you send an e-mail to start a new thread, it > won't show up in your inbox until someone replies. Once you receive a > reply to your original message, both will show up. > > I've just learned to deal with it, but it's definitely a feature request > for Gmail. I think you are right. Gmail should be able to index the same message in two different ways. They are trying to save space by preserving only one copy of the message (in the "sent mail" box), but they could make it so that the same message appears in both places without having to use up more disk space. Mike From samir.nassar at steamedpenguin.com Wed Apr 20 11:30:44 2005 From: samir.nassar at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Fri Apr 22 11:37:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <42667F76.1060501@visi.com> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <4263FD26.5010408@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> <42667F76.1060501@visi.com> Message-ID: <200504201130.44806.samir.nassar@steamedpenguin.com> On Wednesday 20 April 2005 11:12, Sam MacDonald wrote: ! top-post not Must -- Samir M. Nassar - http://steamedpenguin.com/ "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw From tclug-list at beitsahour.net Thu Apr 21 11:06:32 2005 From: tclug-list at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Fri Apr 22 11:37:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] on the road to recovery In-Reply-To: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> References: <39469.64.8.149.180.1114097864.squirrel@64.8.149.180> Message-ID: <4267CF88.8060006@beitsahour.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > We managed to rescue all the home folders, and user info files from our > server that crashed. We have copied them over to a new Fedora core 3 > install. Is there a script I can run that can give the users in > /etc/passwd full control of their original home folder. As of now, only > root has permission to access them. cd /home for i in *; do chown -R $i $i; done Please note, untested. it also assumes that each users home directory is named after the username. -- Munir Nassar From dfellman at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 22 12:27:09 2005 From: dfellman at mn.rr.com (dfellman@mn.rr.com) Date: Fri Apr 22 12:28:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CentOS, anyone? Message-ID: <5a91254a8a.54a8a5a912@rdc-kc.rr.com> This distro seems to me to be absolutely awesome. Essentially, RedHat...only free. As in free beer. Installed beautifully under MS Virtual PC, complete with networking. Includes all the good developer tools. -dwight From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 22 12:38:28 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri Apr 22 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CentOS, anyone? In-Reply-To: <5a91254a8a.54a8a5a912@rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 dfellman wrote: > This distro seems to me to be absolutely awesome. > > Essentially, RedHat...only free. As in free beer. Free beer? Where? Sign me up! What? It's like shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater. Anyway, a few people are doing that. There's also Tao Linux[1], White Box Linux[2], and, I think, Lineox[3]. And those are just what I found mentioned for RPMForge support; there may be more. Glad to hear it's working nice for you. Jima 1. http://www.taolinux.org/ 2. http://whiteboxlinux.org/ 3. http://www.lineox.net/ From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 14:22:02 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Fri Apr 22 14:24:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CentOS, anyone? In-Reply-To: <5a91254a8a.54a8a5a912@rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <5a91254a8a.54a8a5a912@rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0504221222399b1731@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, dfellman@mn.rr.com wrote: > This distro seems to me to be absolutely awesome. > > Essentially, RedHat...only free. As in free beer. > > Installed beautifully under MS Virtual PC, complete with networking. > Includes all the good developer tools. > > -dwight > ... so if they can't make money developing the OS, or supporting it ... One begins to see why a lot of ISV's are not beating the door down to make a Linux version. I certainly don't mean to pick on you directly Dwight. I'm just wondering about a culture in which everyone seems to want everything for nothing and how that culture will ultimately sustain itself or attract new development. Maybe I need to go read the Cathedral and the Bazaar or somesuch, but it just doesn't make sense to me today. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Apr 22 15:10:43 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Apr 22 15:12:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504222010.j3MKAhq29331@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Subject: Job Opening IT Job opening at Welsh Companies - Entry Level. Position: Desktop Support Assistant Location: Creekridge Circle Hours: 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Position and Skills: Entry level position. Provide support to end users on a variety of desktop issues. Identifies, researches, and resolves technical problems. Respond to telephone calls, email and personnel requests for technical support. Documents, tracks and monitors the problem to ensure a timely resolution. Has knowledge of commonly-used concepts, practices, and procedures with Microsoft Windows servers in a domain environment, Windows 2000, XP and Microsoft Office on the desktop. Will assist with setup, deployment and maintenance of desktop hardware and software. Help track hardware assets and software licenses. Oversee support for our handheld data devices like Palm pilots and Blackberries. The candidate will need to have transportation and a good driving record for possible support issues at remote offices in the metro area. Relies on supervised instructions to perform the functions of the job, with the ability to exercise independent judgment, and a desire to learn. Please notify Welsh Companies Human Resources if you or someone you know is interested in this position. Thanks Rhonda Allen Human Resources Office: 952-897-7793 Fax: 952-842-7793 jobs@welshco.com Seller Email address: jimstreit at northlans dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Apr 22 16:19:54 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Apr 22 16:20:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI Message-ID: <200504222127.j3MLR6jd013796@localhost.localdomain> I have for sale one Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection MiniPCI card in perfect condition for sale. I installed it in my ThinkPad 600X, which does not normally have internal WiFi, so I installed antennas, and in the process of fitting it to my case, broke the connectors off one of those antenna. So I'm stuck with one antenna and using my laptop in the house. But now it's warm (well up until today it was), and I want to surf the web from my deck. Blasted aluminum siding! Intel provides a Linux driver for it, and I have used it with FC2 and FC3. First $20 can come get it, or I will deliver it to you in person or by mail for $25... or make an offer. Thanks, Chris Schumann (who can't be bothered to look up his tclug classified password) From poptix at poptix.net Fri Apr 22 16:28:47 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Fri Apr 22 16:30:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI In-Reply-To: <200504222127.j3MLR6jd013796@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504222127.j3MLR6jd013796@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050422212847.GL6415@momentum.poptix.net> FYI: This is a rebadged Atheros card with the specific hardware ID necessary for ThinkPad laptops. You can't buy any old miniPCI wireless card, you have to buy them from IBM. (If you try to use another, it refuses to POST) Hurrah for vendor lock-in. On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 04:19:54PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > I have for sale one Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection MiniPCI > card in perfect condition for sale. > > I installed it in my ThinkPad 600X, which does not normally have internal > WiFi, so I installed antennas, and in the process of fitting it to my case, > broke the connectors off one of those antenna. So I'm stuck with one antenna > and using my laptop in the house. But now it's warm (well up until today it > was), and I want to surf the web from my deck. Blasted aluminum siding! > > Intel provides a Linux driver for it, and I have used it with FC2 and FC3. > > First $20 can come get it, or I will deliver it to you in person or by mail > for $25... or make an offer. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > (who can't be bothered to look up his tclug classified password) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Apr 22 16:59:23 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Apr 22 17:00:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI In-Reply-To: <20050422212847.GL6415@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> It depends on the machine. This works just great in my 600X, as I wrote before. Newer ThinkPads do indeed have PCI ID code lists that restrict which cards can be installed. Not all ThinkPads do, and not all brands of other laptops do... and this card is on the OK list for many machines. And of course, there are ways for enterprising folks like the TCLUG readers to get around the attempt at vendor lock-in, on ThinkPads in particular. Hurrah indeed that we even have to. Chris > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@poptix.net] > FYI: > > This is a rebadged Atheros card with the specific hardware ID > necessary for ThinkPad laptops. You can't buy any old miniPCI > wireless card, you have to buy them from IBM. (If you try to > use another, it refuses to POST) > > Hurrah for vendor lock-in. > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 04:19:54PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > > I have for sale one Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection > > MiniPCI card in perfect condition for sale. > > > > I installed it in my ThinkPad 600X, which does not normally have > > internal WiFi, so I installed antennas, and in the process > of fitting > > it to my case, broke the connectors off one of those > antenna. So I'm > > stuck with one antenna and using my laptop in the house. > But now it's > > warm (well up until today it was), and I want to surf the > web from my deck. Blasted aluminum siding! > > > > Intel provides a Linux driver for it, and I have used it > with FC2 and FC3. > > > > First $20 can come get it, or I will deliver it to you in > person or by > > mail for $25... or make an offer. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris Schumann > > (who can't be bothered to look up his tclug classified password) > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, > BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public > key 0x01938203 From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Apr 22 19:26:49 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri Apr 22 19:28:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CentOS, anyone? In-Reply-To: <307a337f0504221222399b1731@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a91254a8a.54a8a5a912@rdc-kc.rr.com> <307a337f0504221222399b1731@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Ryan Ware wrote: > ... One begins to see why a lot of ISV's are not beating the door down > to make a Linux version. I certainly don't mean to pick on you directly > Dwight. I'm just wondering about a culture in which everyone seems to > want everything for nothing and how that culture will ultimately sustain > itself or attract new development. Maybe I need to go read the > Cathedral and the Bazaar or somesuch, but it just doesn't make sense to > me today. The culture of consumers isn't what sustains the free software movement. It's the culture of the programmers. People do things without being paid. For example, some people like to maintain a pretty yard and beautiful flowers. This reflects well on them, they think, or maybe they just enjoy looking at their yards and gardens. No one pays them to do this. I think at this point it is pretty obvious that many programmers are willing to work thousands of hours without pay on free software projects because they like doing it. They often get some money, probably not a lot, but it's a really cool thing to work on and we all appreciate their efforts. Their program does what they want it to do, which also is nice. Also bear in mind that some programmers are relatively poor (by US standards) people living in places where it would be hard for them to get work as programmes. Contributing to projects allows them to make a name for themselves internationally. Anyway, I don't see this falling apart any time soon, or ever actually. It's nothing like the "dot-com bubble," for example. Mike From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Apr 22 19:51:48 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Apr 22 19:52:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] CentOS, anyone? In-Reply-To: <200504230040.j3N0e6Ib013909@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200504230059.j3N0x6Cs013924@localhost.localdomain> > From: Ryan Ware > On 4/22/05, dfellman@mn.rr.com wrote: > > Essentially, RedHat...only free. As in free beer. > > -dwight > ... so if they can't make money developing the OS, or > supporting it ... One begins to see why a lot of ISV's are > not beating the door down to make a Linux version. Ah, but there's the rub. They *do* make money. Sometimes I'm amazed that ANYONE tries to release a distribution and sell support. Red Hat (as a company) is just awesome in my book. Red Hat also knows that unless potential customers can try their software easily, they will not try it. Dwight might well one day recommend that a company buy RHEL and its spiffy support contract because he knows the product. My company pays for a RHEL contract, and I run CentOS at home so I stay on top of things. It's great to have free software, but nobody expects free support. Maybe I'm not clear about what you don't get. If it's why developers give their code away, people have talked that to death. If it's why companies try to get into business selling support, well that's because it's a business and there is money to be made. The "everything for nothing" culture doesn't sustain itself. It's a drain on FOSS culture just as it is on the "real" culture in which they live. Developers and the GPL create an upward spiral of fantastic, forcibly unproprietary software. That is the engine. Chris From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 22 20:01:11 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 22 20:08:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI In-Reply-To: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42699E57.1010304@visi.com> What is amazing is "vendor lock in" at all, what a shame. I guess after having their BIOS reverse engineered and not doing a darn thing IBM decided to make everyone pay, "Token Ring" and now this. Proprietary hardware... Sam. Chris Schumann wrote: >It depends on the machine. This works just great in my 600X, as I wrote >before. Newer ThinkPads do indeed have PCI ID code lists that restrict which >cards can be installed. > >Not all ThinkPads do, and not all brands of other laptops do... and this >card is on the OK list for many machines. > >And of course, there are ways for enterprising folks like the TCLUG readers >to get around the attempt at vendor lock-in, on ThinkPads in particular. >Hurrah indeed that we even have to. > >Chris > > > >>From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@poptix.net] >> >> > > > >>FYI: >> >>This is a rebadged Atheros card with the specific hardware ID >>necessary for ThinkPad laptops. You can't buy any old miniPCI >>wireless card, you have to buy them from IBM. (If you try to >>use another, it refuses to POST) >> >>Hurrah for vendor lock-in. >> >>On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 04:19:54PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> >>>I have for sale one Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection >>>MiniPCI card in perfect condition for sale. >>> >>>I installed it in my ThinkPad 600X, which does not normally have >>>internal WiFi, so I installed antennas, and in the process >>> >>> >>of fitting >> >> >>>it to my case, broke the connectors off one of those >>> >>> >>antenna. So I'm >> >> >>>stuck with one antenna and using my laptop in the house. >>> >>> >>But now it's >> >> >>>warm (well up until today it was), and I want to surf the >>> >>> >>web from my deck. Blasted aluminum siding! >> >> >>>Intel provides a Linux driver for it, and I have used it >>> >>> >>with FC2 and FC3. >> >> >>>First $20 can come get it, or I will deliver it to you in >>> >>> >>person or by >> >> >>>mail for $25... or make an offer. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Chris Schumann >>>(who can't be bothered to look up his tclug classified password) >>> >>> >>-- >>Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, >>BOFH Certified >>http://www.poptix.net GPG public >>key 0x01938203 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From smac at visi.com Sat Apr 23 16:56:56 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Sat Apr 23 16:56:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: [FreeDOS] Message-ID: <426AC4A8.9010602@visi.com> For all of you DOS guys out there :-) and even some of the Linux folks may be interested. The installer is Linux. While blundering about the Internet today I found the FreeDOS (FDOS) project, FreeDOS.org The site is up to date and very interesting, I've put it on a laptop with good results. I have the CDROM working but haven't tried anything else. Network will be next. Some interesting stuff I've found in FDOS Help system Basic interpreter C compiler Make tool OpenWatcom Emacs vim SSH Pegasus Mail Lynx C:\ Sam. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 From bhartm at visi.com Sat Apr 23 18:10:35 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Sat Apr 23 18:02:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] looking for free MIDI drum loops Message-ID: <426AD5EB.9000509@visi.com> Just getting restarted, not liking what Google is showing me. MIDI farm is not what it was 8 years ago. Anybody have a favorite easy to navigate resource? From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sat Apr 23 23:18:51 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sat Apr 23 23:21:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SORBS Blocklist In-Reply-To: <42667F76.1060501@visi.com> References: <200504171632.j3HGWWFD006558@localhost.localdomain> <4262D1A0.4050009@visi.com> <4263FD26.5010408@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> <42667F76.1060501@visi.com> Message-ID: <426B1E2B.5090202@greatlakedata.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I now use visi.com (think global act local) thx i'll check em out > nonviolentpeaceforce.org is your domain name used for email and web site. > nvpf.org is another domain named used for nonviolentpeaceforce.org. > who did the domain name registration on the 2 names? > when I did a "whois" on both names they come up with different > information (IP etc...) > when I ping the domain names I get different IP addresses (big clue) > when I tracert the domain names I get different information. (this is key) nonviolentpeaceforce.org is hosted gratis by some generous folk, setup prior to my hire. nvpf.org is my addition, wbel, in house. > when I http://www.nvpf.org I get to http://www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org http redirect. > (the reverse is true) eh? > some where the DNS "may" have an issue determining where or what IP > addresses the names are to use. eh? > it looks like 209.240.253.93 and 216.15.192.47 are pointing to the same > place. no. > email does not like that it likes an exact place to go especially when > receiving servers are verifying the sending server as a static address. > When the IP addresses don't match the email bounces. eh? there is only one MX for nonviolentpeaceforce.org. on the other hand, i send out email with @nonviolentpeaceforce.org return addresses via our nvpf.org server. receiving servers that check SPF might bounce such mail if nonviolentpeaceforce.org were to define SPF records. i've never asked if they do, but, the verizon incident is the only mail bounce problem i've come accross, and we send alot of email, so i really doubt it. and anyway, if verizon was actually implementing SPF verification, why would it work better just because i send mail for them via cpinternet rather than via nvpf.org? according to SPF, that should fail too. i was thinking your prior email was describing some scheme whereby ISPs sold "static IP" addresses that still ended up listed in "dynamic" maps, and i still wonder if that's why verizon started rejecting mail from my server. > Pinging www.nvpf.org [209.240.253.93] with 32 bytes of data: > Request timed out. i don't answer pings. > greg whitley mott wrote: >>> Sam MacDonald wrote: >>>> I think you have to switch to a business class service with Comcast >>>> to get a static IP address that is really static. >>>> What they might do if it isn't business class is a MAC reservation >>>> within the DHCP scope for an address, this would cause your mail to >>>> get bounced as a dynamic address. The address would still be in the >>>> scope that is dynamic. >>>> They use the MAC address on your router and tell the scope the >>>> address associated with this MAC can't be given to any other MAC >>>> address. >>>> >>>> Many businesses use reservations within a DHCP scope to keep from >>>> having static addresses on all their servers, it's easier to manage. >> >> hmm, interesting. >> >> nvpf.org has a static ip with cpinternet.com. postfix delivers >> delightedly to almost everywhere. i registered onto the AwOL bulk >> mail whitelist, they accepted small amounts of mail anyway but larger >> amounts needed registration with their whitelist. >> >> for verizon, i have the following transport map entries: >> verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com >> .verizon.net smtp:mail.cpinternet.com >> >> i didn't need to do anything special for verizon until just a couple >> weeks ago. when i noticed verizon stuff bouncing, that's how i fixed >> it. i considered complaining to verizon, but took the path of least >> resistence instead. i presumed at the time that perhaps verizon has >> started enforcing SPF or something, but haven't looked into it. >> >> but sam, might verizon be bouncing me because cpinternet is doing as >> you say? or, since our mail goes directly to everywhere else, does it >> not really apply to us? Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just got this message today! sorry, i used the wrong return address, so it sat in the moderators queue, looks like it got approved after a couple of days rather than discarded. -greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Apr 24 00:52:56 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun Apr 24 00:55:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FOS blackboard-alike? In-Reply-To: <200504181537.12997.jack@jacku.com> References: <4263EFBE.6090501@greatlakedata.com> <200504181537.12997.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <426B3438.2080706@greatlakedata.com> Jack Ungerleider wrote: > FWIW I've got plenty of experience with Zope 2 and Plone. I've got some > experience with Mambo (a PHP based CMS which appears to power the > opensourcecms.com site). But in order to give useful information I need a > little more of an idea as to why Blackboard or something similar is > interesting. our director wants to, say, post a spreadsheet for our international governance council to review, post comments about, and easily make changes in. i installed civicspace and showed it to him, he was confused by the concept of uploading and downloading files, his reaction was that our international governance council members will find this harder to understand than he, which is a fair point. i gather what he's heard about blackboard leads him to believe it implements an environment that is easier to understand and use. i'm dubious about that, but in truth i haven't had blackboard in front of me so far so i can't really say. -greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From ces.fci at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 02:50:29 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Sun Apr 24 02:51:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] open source virtual world... Message-ID: i'm involved in an online community.. we're looking to expand into maybe having a 'virtual world' (currently there is irc and a forum and a wiki system coming).. do you have any ideas / suggestions on an app that could do this or maybe an alternate suggestion (things that would stimulate community oriented things..)? clayton From gnu at subterrestrial.org Sun Apr 24 08:39:37 2005 From: gnu at subterrestrial.org (Jason M. Oksanen) Date: Sun Apr 24 08:40:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI In-Reply-To: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <426BA199.2040202@subterrestrial.org> I swapped my intel card for a Senao Prism 2.5 minipci wireless card in my Thinkpad R51. There is a way to disable the card check and I have done it. It must be done before the unsupported card is put in the machine. http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/hacks.html Chris Schumann wrote: >It depends on the machine. This works just great in my 600X, as I wrote >before. Newer ThinkPads do indeed have PCI ID code lists that restrict which >cards can be installed. > >Not all ThinkPads do, and not all brands of other laptops do... and this >card is on the OK list for many machines. > >And of course, there are ways for enterprising folks like the TCLUG readers >to get around the attempt at vendor lock-in, on ThinkPads in particular. >Hurrah indeed that we even have to. > >Chris > > > >>From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@poptix.net] >> >> > > > >>FYI: >> >>This is a rebadged Atheros card with the specific hardware ID >>necessary for ThinkPad laptops. You can't buy any old miniPCI >>wireless card, you have to buy them from IBM. (If you try to >>use another, it refuses to POST) >> >>Hurrah for vendor lock-in. >> >>On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 04:19:54PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> >>>I have for sale one Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection >>>MiniPCI card in perfect condition for sale. >>> >>>I installed it in my ThinkPad 600X, which does not normally have >>>internal WiFi, so I installed antennas, and in the process >>> >>> >>of fitting >> >> >>>it to my case, broke the connectors off one of those >>> >>> >>antenna. So I'm >> >> >>>stuck with one antenna and using my laptop in the house. >>> >>> >>But now it's >> >> >>>warm (well up until today it was), and I want to surf the >>> >>> >>web from my deck. Blasted aluminum siding! >> >> >>>Intel provides a Linux driver for it, and I have used it >>> >>> >>with FC2 and FC3. >> >> >>>First $20 can come get it, or I will deliver it to you in >>> >>> >>person or by >> >> >>>mail for $25... or make an offer. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Chris Schumann >>>(who can't be bothered to look up his tclug classified password) >>> >>> >>-- >>Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, >>BOFH Certified >>http://www.poptix.net GPG public >>key 0x01938203 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > From erikerik at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:39:39 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sun Apr 24 09:44:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] open source virtual world... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/24/05, fci wrote: > i'm involved in an online community.. we're looking to expand into > maybe having a 'virtual world' (currently there is irc and a forum and > a wiki system coming).. do you have any ideas / suggestions on an app > that could do this or maybe an alternate suggestion (things that would > stimulate community oriented things..)? You give very few details here...so the best advice I can lend is to poke around on http://www.opensourcecms.com/ and perhaps http://freshmeat.net to find the software you're looking for. If you give some more explicit details of what you're looking for, we'll be able to help you a bit better... From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Apr 24 09:56:47 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Apr 24 09:57:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504241456.j3OEulr19171@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Computer for Sale I have a PC for sale. Pentium 4 2.4ghz 512 Meg PC2100 RAM 40 Gig HD nVidia GeForce 4 TI4600 Ethernet CD-Rom CD-Burner (HP) Floppy Internal Zip Drive Motherboard with onboard sound. It was running Ubuntu before I wiped the drive clean. The one little issue is the Hard Drive Access LED is not working for some reason. I am hoping to get $450 for it. Seller Email address: erik at ehanson dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From poptix at poptix.net Sun Apr 24 18:24:52 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Sun Apr 24 18:25:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: 2200BG MiniPCI In-Reply-To: <426BA199.2040202@subterrestrial.org> References: <200504222206.j3MM6etT013829@localhost.localdomain> <426BA199.2040202@subterrestrial.org> Message-ID: <20050424232452.GN6415@momentum.poptix.net> On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 08:39:37AM -0500, Jason M. Oksanen wrote: > I swapped my intel card for a Senao Prism 2.5 minipci wireless card in > my Thinkpad R51. There is a way to disable the card check and I have > done it. It must be done before the unsupported card is put in the > machine. http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/hacks.html This is a nice fix, but I would still rather support vendors that do not attempt to lock you into their hardware. Particularly when their hardware is simply OEM'd from someone else with the PCI IDs changed. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sun Apr 24 19:41:39 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Sun Apr 24 19:43:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Apache FC3 permissions Message-ID: <200504250048.j3P0m5dq023625@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I've set up a little server at home, and I would like to allow users (both of us) to have web pages in our own home directories, a la ~chris/public_html. I *think* I've configured httpd.conf correctly, and I'm nearly certain I have file permissions set properly, but I keep getting 403 Forbidden errors. The error log says error 13; that it is denied access to the file(s), but I can't see how since ~chris and ~chris/public_html are world executable, and the index.html file in there is world readable. Where should I go to further track down the issue? Is this a known FC3 item? Many thanks, Chris Schumann From brockn at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 19:56:20 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Sun Apr 24 19:57:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Apache FC3 permissions In-Reply-To: <200504250048.j3P0m5dq023625@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504250048.j3P0m5dq023625@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <741dcbb805042417566ca0f5c6@mail.gmail.com> Can you post these parts of the file? Order allow,deny Deny from all and LoadModule access_module modules/mod_access.so On 4/24/05, Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've set up a little server at home, and I would like to allow users (both > of us) to have web pages in our own home directories, a la > ~chris/public_html. > > I *think* I've configured httpd.conf correctly, and I'm nearly certain I > have file permissions set properly, but I keep getting 403 Forbidden > errors. > The error log says error 13; that it is denied access to the file(s), but > I > can't see how since ~chris and ~chris/public_html are world executable, > and > the index.html file in there is world readable. > > Where should I go to further track down the issue? 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Is this a known FC3 item? > > Do you have SElinux enabled or disabled? This is a known "issue" with FC3 in the sense that files in user home directories aren't created with the proper selinux labelling needed for the apache server to have access to them. You either need to disable SElinux, or search redhat's fedora-list mailing list to find out how to label those files. -- jeremy From erikerik at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:34:11 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:35:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] open source virtual world... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/24/05, fci wrote: > yeah.. mmm. details. I guess when I said 'virtual world' I was > thinking of something similar to how MMPORPG's have virtual worlds.. > but I did try googling but I didn't really know what I was searching > for.. FYI - you didn't reply to the list, only to me. You'll be able to get more help if you keep discussions on-list. Now...as far as MMPORPG's go, I haven't a clue. Sorry! :-) From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Apr 24 20:35:39 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:37:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Apache FC3 permissions In-Reply-To: <200504250048.j3P0m5dq023625@localhost.localdomain> References: <200504250048.j3P0m5dq023625@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050425013539.GA29154@fireopal.org> On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:41:39PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > I've set up a little server at home, and I would like to allow users (both > of us) to have web pages in our own home directories, a la > ~chris/public_html. Is /home also world executable? I found on my apache / debian that I needed world accessible all the way down to root. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From christophermsmith at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 21:59:10 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Sun Apr 24 22:01:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT Garmin GPS question In-Reply-To: <426C4600.7000403@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <426c5d00.73c9c34f.4a4c.ffff9fa5@mx.gmail.com> Sorry for the OT post, but I figured that if anybody would have a GPS and matching software it would be computer people. I have Garmin City Select V6.0, and i just got a new laptop. As I go to install, I think I might be missing a disk. I thought maybe someone here would have it also. I have a "setup cd" and a Disk 2 of 2. The Setup CD keeps asking for Disk 1. Does anyone else have this package? Can they verify that they have 3 disks? If I AM missing a disk, any chance someone could make an ISO for me and post it to my ftp site or something? Thanks in advance, Chris From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Apr 24 23:02:34 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Sun Apr 24 23:03:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] open source virtual world... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050425040234.GA21064@wookimus.net> On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 08:34:11PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > Now...as far as MMPORPG's go, I haven't a clue. Sorry! :-) You have to look into graphical MUD's (Multi-User Dungeon). There are a few FOSS projects out there to create MMPORPG's, but it's not really there yet. You COULD run a dedicated server, though. MMPORPG's are only important when you have HUGE numbers of people playing. As a small, non-profit org, you won't have to worry about that. I believe KoalaMUD was intended to be a text-based MMPORPG, but I don't know if it's received any real momentum. Freshmeat actually has a LOT of projects in this category: http://freshmeat.net/browse/86/ Basically, you need to shop for what's important to you: usability, language, maturity, ease of deployment @ server & client, etc. I think WorldForge has some interesting possibilities and appears to be actively developed. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050424/b35f437c/attachment-0001.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 25 03:33:04 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Apr 25 03:33:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] open source virtual world... In-Reply-To: <20050425040234.GA21064@wookimus.net> References: <20050425040234.GA21064@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200504250333.05237@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Sunday 24 April 2005 11:02 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Now...as far as MMPORPG's go, I haven't a clue. ?Sorry! ?:-) How about the EverQuest Emulation Server Project? Pretty niffy stuff. http://sourceforge.net/projects/eqemulator/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From kcbnac at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 15:17:07 2005 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Apr 25 15:17:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Modem issues... Message-ID: <32fd453705042513175c30fc11@mail.gmail.com> I've got a US Robotics 5610b (aka 56K Performance Pro Modem) http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610b Ubuntu sees it just fine - but won't let me use it. I've tried everything I've found so far - including installing the .rpm from USR. But it keeps coming up as 'busy.' Don't have highspeed at home (been working from another location this weeked) and got the rest of the system running (Okay, so I had to install the binary ATI drivers...) and without the modem I'll be having to boot back to Windows (GASP! THE HORROR!) at home. Anyone available this week sometime, who could help me out with this? I've got college classes from 6-10pm Mon-Thur, other than that I'm open. I'm stumped. Keith Bachman PS - Other than the binary video drivers, and the modem, Ubuntu made EVERYTHING work out of the box. From brockn at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:43:17 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Apr 25 19:43:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Username/Password to update membership info? Message-ID: <741dcbb805042517433f9ce697@mail.gmail.com> I want to update my membership information on the TC-Lug website but I do not remember choosing a username password when signing up. How can I recover that information? Its likely this service is on the website and I am just too dense to figure it out. Brock -- http://www.gopherbooks.com - University of Minnesota Students: A free textbook exchange and professor ratings website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050425/7ce5b6f9/attachment.htm From pablo at nothing.com Mon Apr 25 20:28:48 2005 From: pablo at nothing.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Mon Apr 25 20:29:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Username/Password to update membership info? In-Reply-To: <741dcbb805042517433f9ce697@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 04/25/2005 7:43 PM, Brock Noland wrote: > I want to update my membership information on the TC-Lug website but I do > not remember choosing a username password when signing up. How can I recover > that information? Search for 'password reminder' on this page: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Paul From brockn at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:57:52 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Apr 25 20:59:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Username/Password to update membership info? In-Reply-To: References: <741dcbb805042517433f9ce697@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb805042518576e4139b9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Paul, but I don't see how that would help me access this page: https://www.mn-linux.org//tclugmembers//members.php/edit/ but I tried it and it did not work. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050425/761edc93/attachment.html From pablo at nothing.com Mon Apr 25 21:29:42 2005 From: pablo at nothing.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Mon Apr 25 21:31:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Username/Password to update membership info? In-Reply-To: <741dcbb805042518576e4139b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 04/25/2005 8:57 PM, Brock Noland wrote: > Thanks Paul, but I don't see how that would help me access this page: > > https://www.mn-linux.org//tclugmembers//members.php/edit/ > > but I tried it and it did not work. Mea culpa. I thought you were referring to your Mailman password. Paul From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 21:53:20 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Apr 25 21:53:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations Message-ID: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and Smoothwall. My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and 6GB IDE HDD. Thanks for any info. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 22:17:31 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Apr 25 22:19:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426DB2CB.7060109@comcast.net> You could try Smoothwall, upon which IPCOP is based. www.smoothwall.org I've been using it for over 3 years. They have great support forums too. Shawn Fertch wrote: > I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great > results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something > different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems > like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. > > Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for > something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful > packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and > Smoothwall. > > My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and > 6GB IDE HDD. > > Thanks for any info. -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Apr 26 07:25:48 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 07:27:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114518348.426e334cad756@joshwelch.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch : > I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great > results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something > different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems > like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. > > Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for > something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful > packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and > Smoothwall. > > My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and > 6GB IDE HDD. > You could try just building your own, IPTables will give you a packet filter and you can have as many interfaces as you can squeeze into that machine of yours. This would give you unlimited flexibility, if you want to run Squid on your firewall you can, or any other proxy for that matter. If, however, you are looking for something more pointy-clicky, I stumbled across firestarter some time ago, http://www.fs-security.com. Haven't really played with it, have been otherwise occupied. Josh From rwh at visi.com Tue Apr 26 08:40:15 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Apr 26 08:41:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <1114518348.426e334cad756@joshwelch.com> References: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1114518348.426e334cad756@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <426E44BF.1040909@visi.com> I've been using Firewall Builder, http://www.fwbuilder.org/ which does a real nice job of point-click/drag-drop configuration of iptables. --rick josh@joshwelch.com wrote: >Quoting Shawn Fertch : > > > >>I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great >>results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something >>different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems >>like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. >> >>Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for >>something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful >>packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and >>Smoothwall. >> >> My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and >>6GB IDE HDD. >> >> >> > >You could try just building your own, IPTables will give you a packet filter and >you can have as many interfaces as you can squeeze into that machine of yours. >This would give you unlimited flexibility, if you want to run Squid on your >firewall you can, or any other proxy for that matter. > >If, however, you are looking for something more pointy-clicky, I stumbled across >firestarter some time ago, http://www.fs-security.com. Haven't really played >with it, have been otherwise occupied. > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From scheides at iexposure.com Tue Apr 26 11:15:33 2005 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:17:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <426E44BF.1040909@visi.com> References: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1114518348.426e334cad756@joshwelch.com> <426E44BF.1040909@visi.com> Message-ID: <200504261115.33696.scheides@iexposure.com> Try out Mandrake/Mandriva MNF, it is awesome! http://www.mandriva.com/products/mnf On Tuesday 26 April 2005 08:40 am, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I've been using Firewall Builder, http://www.fwbuilder.org/ which does a > real nice job of point-click/drag-drop configuration of iptables. > > --rick > > josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > >Quoting Shawn Fertch : > >>I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great > >>results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something > >>different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems > >>like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. > >> > >>Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for > >>something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful > >>packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and > >>Smoothwall. > >> > >> My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and > >>6GB IDE HDD. > > > >You could try just building your own, IPTables will give you a packet > > filter and you can have as many interfaces as you can squeeze into that > > machine of yours. This would give you unlimited flexibility, if you want > > to run Squid on your firewall you can, or any other proxy for that > > matter. > > > >If, however, you are looking for something more pointy-clicky, I stumbled > > across firestarter some time ago, http://www.fs-security.com. Haven't > > really played with it, have been otherwise occupied. > > > >Josh > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:18:20 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:21:41 2005 Subject: Fwd: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530504260917e306fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05042519535d18a0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1114518348.426e334cad756@joshwelch.com> <426E44BF.1040909@visi.com> <9d6c82530504260917e306fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c8253050426091848a40afd@mail.gmail.com> I like working with Shorewall. IPCop is trying to upgrade its backend to use Shorewall. I decided against IPCop because it didn't have the flexibility I needed and Shorewall did. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From christophermsmith at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:33:36 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:35:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations In-Reply-To: <426E44BF.1040909@visi.com> Message-ID: <426e6d60.281e9def.2456.ffffc671@mx.gmail.com> I've been very happy with Shorewall. It is very much like building your own, in that you have a lot of control, and get a good understanding of Iptables. Chris -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hoffbeck Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:40 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for firewall recommendations I've been using Firewall Builder, http://www.fwbuilder.org/ which does a real nice job of point-click/drag-drop configuration of iptables. --rick josh@joshwelch.com wrote: >Quoting Shawn Fertch : > > > >>I've been using IPCop for the past few years, and have had great >>results with it. However, recently I've been wanting to try something >>different. Even more so since IPCop redid their website, it seems >>like they've gotten away from simple updates and navigation. >> >>Any recommendations on what others are using and why? I'm looking for >>something that I can have at least one DMZ in addition to stateful >>packet inspection, SQUID and other add-ons similar to IPCop and >>Smoothwall. >> >> My current firewall hardware is an AMD K6-2 400MHz with 128MB ram and >>6GB IDE HDD. >> >> >> > >You could try just building your own, IPTables will give you a packet >filter and you can have as many interfaces as you can squeeze into that machine of yours. >This would give you unlimited flexibility, if you want to run Squid on >your firewall you can, or any other proxy for that matter. > >If, however, you are looking for something more pointy-clicky, I >stumbled across firestarter some time ago, http://www.fs-security.com. >Haven't really played with it, have been otherwise occupied. > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 12:27:11 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Tue Apr 26 12:27:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Modem issues... In-Reply-To: <32fd453705042513175c30fc11@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453705042513175c30fc11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you added yourself to the dialout group? ls -l /dev/modem (or whatever the modem device is) and check the permissions. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Apr 26 13:54:11 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Apr 26 13:55:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504261854.j3QIsBW19321@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: computer and kvm for sale 1) $400. Pentium 4, 2.6 GHZ w/ HT. 512 MB ram 120G HD. DVD+R/RW burner & a seperate CD Drive. Many different camera card readers in front of case. This is a ~1yr old HP computer. 2) $30 MiniView(tm) plus KVM Switch. w/cables. Cables have ps/2 mouse keyboard, video, mic and line cables. KVM does audio (mic and line) keyboard, mouse and video. Honestly I was never impressed with the audio as it would pick up noise from the other devices. I did try it with seperate audio cables, so the problem is likely to be insufficient shielding in the actual kvm. I'm keeping this UNTIL the computer sells. Seller Email address: leif dot t dot johnson at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Apr 26 14:27:52 2005 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Tue Apr 26 14:29:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing Message-ID: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> I have a bunch of OGG music that I have purchased at a hi bit rate (320kbps). Now I have just got a iRiver ifp-895 that only plays OGG files up to 225kbps. Does anybody know of a way to batch re-encode all of my music files into a lower rate? Even a whole directory at once with keeping the tag information would be great. Thanks! Jason From rwh at visi.com Tue Apr 26 15:00:12 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <426E9DCC.3070509@visi.com> In the off chance you want to do this under Windows, dbPowerAmp converter does a real nice job and its free for most codecs. I use to use it to resample and convert my MP3s to WMA for long trips before I got my iPod, http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm On linux you probably want to look at something like SOX, http://sox.sourceforge.net/ which looks like it can convert, filter, etc. at the same time. I don't know about SOX, but dbPowerAmp takes a long time to do the mp3->wma conversion even on a fast machine. --rick Jason Sievert wrote: >I have a bunch of OGG music that I have purchased at a hi bit rate >(320kbps). Now I have just got a iRiver ifp-895 that only plays OGG >files up to 225kbps. Does anybody know of a way to batch re-encode all >of my music files into a lower rate? Even a whole directory at once >with keeping the tag information would be great. > >Thanks! >Jason > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From rwh at visi.com Tue Apr 26 15:06:26 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:07:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <426E9F42.7070905@visi.com> My oversight, the download page for dbPowerAmp mentions that it runs on Linux using Wine, but I'd hate to think how slow that might be. --rick Jason Sievert wrote: >I have a bunch of OGG music that I have purchased at a hi bit rate >(320kbps). Now I have just got a iRiver ifp-895 that only plays OGG >files up to 225kbps. Does anybody know of a way to batch re-encode all >of my music files into a lower rate? Even a whole directory at once >with keeping the tag information would be great. > >Thanks! >Jason > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Tue Apr 26 15:16:03 2005 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:17:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <426E9F42.7070905@visi.com> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> <426E9F42.7070905@visi.com> Message-ID: <200504261516.03709.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Tuesday 26 April 2005 15:06, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > My oversight, the download page for dbPowerAmp mentions that it runs on > Linux using Wine, but I'd hate to think how slow that might be. Remember, WINE is not an emulator. We aren't talking about running Wintendo in vmware or bochs, or any of that. Speed hit, if any, shouldn't be that much. -- Samir M. Nassar - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From thecubic at thecubic.net Tue Apr 26 15:27:57 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:29:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200504261527.58081.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Tuesday 26 April 2005 14:27, Jason Sievert wrote: > I have a bunch of OGG music that I have purchased at a hi bit rate > (320kbps). Now I have just got a iRiver ifp-895 that only plays OGG > files up to 225kbps. Does anybody know of a way to batch re-encode all > of my music files into a lower rate? Even a whole directory at once > with keeping the tag information would be great. Something like this: #!/bin/sh IFSOLD=$IFS OGGENCOPTS=-M225 # to get around whitespace in names # assuming you have no colons in the filenames # otherwise use ^ or something IFS=: for ogg in $(find . -type f -printf "%p$IFS" ) ; do oggdec $ogg -o - | oggenc $OGGENCOPTS - -o $ogg.new vorbiscomment -l $ogg | vorbiscomment -w $ogg.new done IFS=$OLDIFS should work. You have to have vorbis tools, which usually is standard. It's slower when the bitrate management engine is on. -- -dave Dave Carlson Guitarist, Car Enthusiast, Technology Enthusiast, Blogger, Terrible Cook http://www.thecubic.net Cell Phone: 612-747-5415 (personal) E-mail Pager: 6127475415@mobile.att.net PGP/GPG Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 (visit http://www.gnupg.org for more information) From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 16:56:37 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Tue Apr 26 16:57:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <200504261527.58081.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> <200504261527.58081.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <9d6c8253050426145643454d05@mail.gmail.com> I've used sox before and if it can do ogg, I would recommend it. Very nice conversion tool. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From admin at lctn.org Tue Apr 26 21:45:54 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue Apr 26 21:47:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] public key not available Message-ID: <51612.209.176.212.10.1114569954.squirrel@209.176.212.10> I am not sure what to do about the following errors. Any help would be appreciated. Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: libglade.i386 1:0.17-15 Install: libxml.i386 1:1.8.17-12 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Install: ORBit.i386 1:0.5.17-14 Install: compat-db.i386 0:4.1.25-6 Install: gnome-libs.i386 1:1.4.1.2.90-44 Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 public key not available for //var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages/libxml-1.8.17-12.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/base/packages/libglade-0.17-15.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/base/packages/gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/base/packages/compat-db-4.1.25-6.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/base/packages/ORBit-0.5.17-14.i386.rpm From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 26 21:58:30 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue Apr 26 21:59:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer Message-ID: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Hello, My inkjet just died and for the last couple of months it only gave me headaches. What are your suggestions for a small (100 pages/mo) printer that works well with Linux? I know about old HP x (II <= x < 1000) but those are quite big to fit under the desk. Thank you, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050426/569f2482/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Apr 26 22:09:20 2005 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue Apr 26 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help setting up secondary MX Message-ID: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I've setup a machine to be a secondary mailserver and just queue up mail until the main mailserver comes back up. I'm using sendmail (no, I can't change this one to postfix) and I've got it working using an entry in mailertable right now. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050426/75e1edc2/attachment.htm From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 26 22:53:21 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue Apr 26 22:41:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200504262253.21895.jack@jacku.com> I've got a Samsung ML-1710 that I've had for about a year. I don't do a lot of printing but I'm sure it can handle the load you are looking at. The printer came with a "Linux driver" but I don't remember that working real well. I've got it setup as a (...quickly checking printer config in YaST...) Samsung ML-1000. Of course I finally upgraded this machine to SuSE 9.2 over the weekend and it looks like the 1710 is now detected. Of course I think Samsung has replaced this with another one in the ML-17xx series. Microcenter[1] lists the Samsung ML-1740 at $149.99 with a $60 rebate. It's a nice little printer and reasonably fast. The toner cartridges run $79 or so. HTH, Jack [1] ttp://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0174858 On Tuesday 26 April 2005 09:58 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > My inkjet just died and for the last couple of months it only gave me > headaches. What are your suggestions for a small (100 pages/mo) > printer that works well with Linux? > > I know about old HP x (II <= x < 1000) but those are quite big to fit > under the desk. > > Thank you, > florin -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From jeremy at rosengren.org Tue Apr 26 23:18:57 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Tue Apr 26 23:19:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] public key not available In-Reply-To: <51612.209.176.212.10.1114569954.squirrel@209.176.212.10> References: <51612.209.176.212.10.1114569954.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <426F12B1.9040602@rosengren.org> Raymond Norton wrote: >I am not sure what to do about the following errors. Any help would be >appreciated. > >Dependencies Resolved >Transaction Listing: > Install: libglade.i386 1:0.17-15 > Install: libxml.i386 1:1.8.17-12 > >Performing the following to resolve dependencies: > Install: ORBit.i386 1:0.5.17-14 > Install: compat-db.i386 0:4.1.25-6 > Install: gnome-libs.i386 1:1.4.1.2.90-44 >Is this ok [y/N]: y >Downloading Packages: >warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 >public key not available for >//var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages/libxml-1.8.17-12.i386.rpm >public key not available for >//var/cache/yum/base/packages/libglade-0.17-15.i386.rpm >public key not available for >//var/cache/yum/base/packages/gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.i386.rpm >public key not available for >//var/cache/yum/base/packages/compat-db-4.1.25-6.i386.rpm >public key not available for >//var/cache/yum/base/packages/ORBit-0.5.17-14.i386.rpm > > > # rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY or: Set gpgcheck=0 in your /etc/yum.conf file to turn off key checking. Also, a little background, even if it's a sentence or two, helps a lot. I had to assume which repository you were installing from and then search my system for the matching key to make sure I told you to import the correct one. -- jeremy From smac at visi.com Tue Apr 26 23:24:33 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Tue Apr 26 23:33:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: <426F1401.4030602@visi.com> I like HP "laser" printing products, the ink products have caused me some stress in the past :-) Laser Jet 1012 is $149 at Micro Center this is a personal printer. 600x600 dpi monochrome printer. 15ppm 150 page paper tray power consumption is 250 watts (business printer draw more power 300 watts + Toner cartridge is $89 (good for 2000 pages). Sam. From gnu at subterrestrial.org Tue Apr 26 23:52:52 2005 From: gnu at subterrestrial.org (Jason M. Oksanen) Date: Tue Apr 26 23:53:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer Message-ID: <426F1AA4.9060004@subterrestrial.org> I recieved the samsung ML-1740 for Christmas and have been very happy with it. I use the 1710 driver which works great. It came with a driver but I didnt bother with it. I use it on a usb print server and it works just fine. From scotjenkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 02:01:56 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Wed Apr 27 02:03:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: On 4/26/05, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > My inkjet just died and for the last couple of months it only gave me > headaches. What are your suggestions for a small (100 pages/mo) > printer that works well with Linux? > > I know about old HP x (II <= x < 1000) but those are quite big to fit > under the desk. I've had an HP laserjet 4L since about 1995. It's been rock solid. No drivers necessary, works fine with standard lpd/lpr. parallel interface energy star compliant 300 dpi 1M RAM (expandable to 2M) 4 pages/minute small footprint (about 1 sq ft) Only drawback is it doesn't hold a lot of paper. scot From scotjenkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 03:03:28 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Wed Apr 27 03:03:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help setting up secondary MX In-Reply-To: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On 4/26/05, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've setup a machine to be a secondary mailserver and just queue up mail > until the main mailserver comes back up. I'm using sendmail (no, I can't > change this one to postfix) and I've got it working using an entry in > mailertable right now. The only problem is that I'm not checking for valid > users, so I queue up the mail and then when the mailserver comes back up a > bounce message gets generated. I don't want to do this, so i tried setting > up aliases for all of the users and adding the main mailserver to > local-host-names, but then the mail gets delivered locally. Any ideas? I just googled for "sendmail secondary valid email addresses". This first hit seemed to indicate what you want to do is possible: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/2005-February/002796.html scot From adam at whee.org Wed Apr 27 10:08:59 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Wed Apr 27 10:23:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help setting up secondary MX In-Reply-To: References: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Scot Jenkins wrote: > On 4/26/05, Jon Schewe wrote: >> I've setup a machine to be a secondary mailserver and just queue up mail >> until the main mailserver comes back up. I'm using sendmail (no, I can't > > I just googled for "sendmail secondary valid email addresses". This > first hit seemed to indicate what you want to do is possible: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/2005-February/002796.html I know of a similar setup that doesn't use Milter (if Milter isn't a good optin for Jon), but neither option will work well when the primary is down. The aliases trick should work, but you have to alias the addresses to the 1st box (Jon didn't say what you were doing with aliases), ala: john: john@primary.mx.example.com bob: bob@primary.mx.example.com ... So your backup server would have your domain in local-host-names (which you said you did, and is correct for what you're trying to do), and then an alias entry for every valid recipient, pointing to their username at the 1st box. Just make darn sure you keep the backup system up to date - or you will end up bouncing mail for legitimate recipients when your primary is down. I didn't see any qualification as to how "big" this mail setup is, but if you're managing this for a lot of users, there are some ways to automate something like this. It is extremely dangerous (values for "extremely" vary depending on who and how many you're doing mail for) to have two machines both think they are the final destination for a domain (excepting obvious things like clusters and load balancing...) Just keep in mind what you're exposure is if the backup isn't up to date, or falls over in some extraordinary way. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 27 10:26:20 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Apr 27 10:29:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504271526.j3RFQKm00971@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: motherboard CPU HSF and RAM for sale This is for an intel PR440FX motherboard with two P-Pro 200mhz 512k cache CPUs and heatsink/fans. Board is ATX form factor and has onboard 68pin SCSI,intel 10/100 NIC and Audio. There is 320 megs of proprietary very hard to find RAM installed as well. I'll take $70 USD for it. I live an hour from the metro area but make regular trips to town. I'd be more than willing to drop it off. Seller Email address: josh at tcbug dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Apr 27 10:40:12 2005 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Wed Apr 27 10:41:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help setting up secondary MX In-Reply-To: References: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1114616412.9058.18.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 10:08 -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I know of a similar setup that doesn't use Milter (if Milter isn't a good > optin for Jon), but neither option will work well when the primary is > down. > I do need it to work when the primary is down. Maybe I'll have to write a milter that reads a separate alias file. > The aliases trick should work, but you have to alias the addresses to the > 1st box (Jon didn't say what you were doing with aliases), ala: > > john: john@primary.mx.example.com > bob: bob@primary.mx.example.com > ... > I tried that, however the address of the primary is equal to the address of the host, so the backup decides that it should be delivered locally . In my case it's mtu.net. The primary MX is mtu.net and the secondary is eggplant.mtu.net. So when the primary is down I want eggplant.mtu.net to queue up mail for mtu.net until it's back up. > Just make darn sure you keep the backup system up to date - or you will > end up bouncing mail for legitimate recipients when your primary is down. > I've got a script that does that nightly. > I didn't see any qualification as to how "big" this mail setup is, but if > you're managing this for a lot of users, there are some ways to automate > something like this. It is extremely dangerous (values for "extremely" > vary depending on who and how many you're doing mail for) to have two > machines both think they are the final destination for a domain (excepting > obvious things like clusters and load balancing...) Just keep in mind > what you're exposure is if the backup isn't up to date, or falls over in > some extraordinary way. > It's only 20 users or so. We've been running without a backup for some time and then mail just bounces. We figured that if we could get some kind of backup mail server, it'd be nice. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Apr 27 10:59:06 2005 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Wed Apr 27 10:59:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200504271059.06735.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 26 April 2005 9:58 pm, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > My inkjet just died and for the last couple of months it only gave me > headaches. What are your suggestions for a small (100 pages/mo) > printer that works well with Linux? > > I know about old HP x (II <= x < 1000) but those are quite big to fit > under the desk. > > Thank you, > florin I would recommend the HP Laser Jet 1012 that Sam talks about. I have one of the Samsung ML-1740 and would love to get rid of the thing. It will only print the page sizes that it knows about so any unusual envolopes are right out, it won't let you adjust the margins at all, at least with the Linux driver it won't, and it seems to have paper loading issues sometimes. If you only want to print US letter paper on it I am sure it will work fine, for anything else you will just be frustrated. Only My Experience (TM). -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From adam at whee.org Wed Apr 27 10:51:10 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Wed Apr 27 11:05:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help setting up secondary MX In-Reply-To: <1114616412.9058.18.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1114571360.6125.7.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <1114616412.9058.18.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 10:08 -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >> john: john@primary.mx.example.com >> bob: bob@primary.mx.example.com >> ... >> > I tried that, however the address of the primary is equal to the address > of the host, so the backup decides that it should be delivered locally . > In my case it's mtu.net. The primary MX is mtu.net and the secondary is > eggplant.mtu.net. So when the primary is down I want eggplant.mtu.net > to queue up mail for mtu.net until it's back up. So setup primary.mtu.net in DNS to point to mtu.net, so the RHS of the alias is different from what you're accepting mail for? And then you might have to add primary.mtu.net to local-host-names on the primary server so it correctly accepts that mail. > It's only 20 users or so. We've been running without a backup for some > time and then mail just bounces. We figured that if we could get some > kind of backup mail server, it'd be nice. Heh, I was just told by an ISP/CLEC in town here that they wanted $100/month and $100 setup for backup MX service PER DOMAIN. What a deal! From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Apr 27 16:57:07 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Apr 27 16:58:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200504272157.j3RLv7X07309@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: 40 GB internal drive Need a replacement hard drive for a Pentium II 200Mhz - hey, I'll need a place to be useful when I get old, too. Intended use is Apache/MySQL server on a home network. Would like about 40 GB internal, Linux compatible, of course. Seller Email address: gene dot kremer at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From danbsmith at comcast.net Wed Apr 27 21:22:27 2005 From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith) Date: Wed Apr 27 21:24:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Free IBM pc Message-ID: <427048E3.3030703@comcast.net> Hello everyone, I have an IBM desktop that is quite old, I don't want it any more and I am about to toss it in the garbage can. If anyone wants it please contact me via email. or it's going out on Thursday of next week in the trash. P.S - It's 90mhz(Pentium 1 or 486, I don't know which) with 64mb of ram(Simm), I don't know if any wants it. Thanks, Dan(Email - windbk@hotmail.com) From seg at haxxed.com Thu Apr 28 03:08:26 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Thu Apr 28 03:10:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ogg file reencodeing In-Reply-To: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> References: <1114543672.9450.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1114675706.499.30.camel@bigtime.booze> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 14:27 -0500, Jason Sievert wrote: > I have a bunch of OGG music that I have purchased at a hi bit rate > (320kbps). Now I have just got a iRiver ifp-895 that only plays OGG > files up to 225kbps. Does anybody know of a way to batch re-encode all > of my music files into a lower rate? Even a whole directory at once > with keeping the tag information would be great. I remember reading somewhere that a feature of Vorbis is that you can scale down the bitrate without re-encoding, but I can't find it now. Its intended for internet streaming, I'm guessing Icecast can do it but its ment for streaming, not working on files... 320kbps Vorbis seems a bit... excessive to me. The FAQ lists quality 5/160kbps as being near CD quality, and thats the setting I use... I've done extensive testing with LAME/MP3 at various bitrates, and found ~160kbps VBR to have no noticeable artifacts, even if I threw the worst stuff I could find at it. Now considering that I've had to pull Vorbis down below 100kbps to start hearing ANY artifacts, 160kbps ogg/vorbis is more than enough for me... Interestingly, Vorbis's approach to compression seems to actually do BETTER with noisy, busy sound (The Chemical Brothers: Dig Your Own Hole...) that make MP3 break down and cry. The VBR bitrates for Chemical Brothers tend to average lower than those for, say, Weird Al, whereas its the opposite for LAME/MP3... OGG/Vorbis kicks ass. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The most impressive one I've seen so far is Planeshift: http://www.planeshift.it/main_01.html They've managed to snag some artists with, what do you call it... talent. Something that too many open source games tend to lack, in particular causing many technically sound attempts to create open source MMORPGs to wither and die because they look like crap. ;P However when I played with it, which was something like two years ago now, being usable by anyone but them didn't seem to be high on their priority list. In particular, the server code didn't seem to be available. Hopefully that's changed by now. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050428/5762a3ee/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 29 10:53:24 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Apr 29 10:56:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server Message-ID: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> I need to set up a vpn server that can run over an ethernet interface and win98 - Xp can connect to. I have looked (and worked with) a couple, but both have limitations in these areas. Any recommendations? Raymond From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 29 10:54:34 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Apr 29 10:58:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server Message-ID: <44655.209.176.212.10.1114790074.squirrel@209.176.212.10> I need to set up a vpn server that can run over an ethernet interface and win98 - Xp can connect to. I have looked (and worked with) a couple, but both have limitations in these areas. Any recommendations? Raymond From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 12:33:37 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Fri Apr 29 12:34:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> What are you looking for? You could go with a PPTP server which uses Microsoft's proprietary VPN and is available for Windows 98 and above without further installation. You could use IPSEC which is better but Microsoft mangled the standard to have it look like PPTP, so it is difficult to use the normal way. This is really good for network-to-network VPNs. IPCop has this installed by default. This will interoperate with Cisco without hassle but Microsoft is different. If you don't have any restrictions, you could install a less used open format like OpenVPN. You would have to install the client applications for every computer, making sure that the client is avialable for Windows, or Mac, or Linux, or Solaris. I have used PPTP under a Windows only and IPSEC for network-to-network connections. I like IPSEC a lot but it did take a little getting used to. PPTP has some proprietary issues and is not in the Debian main repository, however both Linux and Macintosh can run through PPTP just fine. IPSEC is integrated into the 2.6 kernel, although the tools to use it are lagging a little behind (racoon-tool). PPTP will have a module that will have to be compiled and if you want to use domain authentication, you will have to add winbind. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 29 12:39:24 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Apr 29 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53233.209.176.212.10.1114796364.squirrel@209.176.212.10> > What are you looking for? to be specific; I am looking for a way to connect my customers to my local network, so I can access their PC via vnc to help trouble shoot problems with their PC. It would need to be a roadwarrior type of set up, since most customers are using NAT from their ISP. I suppose the closest example would be how gotomypc works. Raymond From peter.chase at epredix.com Fri Apr 29 13:14:00 2005 From: peter.chase at epredix.com (Peter Chase) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server Message-ID: I'm not sure exactly how the remote access to user's PCs would work, but we were looking at FirePass (http://www.f5.com/f5products/products/FirePass/) from F5 which is an SSL based VPN. It works on any client with a web browser and you don't have to install a client on the machine, it is done automatically, at least in Windows, when the user logs in. (Note I did have to do some special setup on my Linux box) It unfortunately it doesn't do network-to-network VPN, which is why we didn't buy it, but I believe it would work for what you're trying to do. Their base model (600 series) is about $5,000 for 10 concurrent users. The model that's made more for an enterprise network (1000 series) starts at around $10,000 list for 25 concurrent users. -Pete -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] vpn server > What are you looking for? to be specific; I am looking for a way to connect my customers to my local network, so I can access their PC via vnc to help trouble shoot problems with their PC. It would need to be a roadwarrior type of set up, since most customers are using NAT from their ISP. I suppose the closest example would be how gotomypc works. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 29 13:31:54 2005 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > You could use IPSEC which is better but Microsoft mangled the standard > to have it look like PPTP, so it is difficult to use the normal way. > This is really good for network-to-network VPNs. IPCop has this > installed by default. This will interoperate with Cisco without hassle > but Microsoft is different. You can just use L2TP over IPSec (runs a similar protocol to PPTP over an IPSec tunnel for encryption) with the built-in Windows clients. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Fri Apr 29 13:37:24 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:38:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Brother 2070N? Was: suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> OfficeDepot has this cute networked printer: http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=964952 It has PCL6, network... Works fine with Linux, MacOS... Any opinions on this model, or on Brother gear in general? Thank you, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050429/3f673ab0/attachment.pgp From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 13:35:19 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:38:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <53233.209.176.212.10.1114796364.squirrel@209.176.212.10> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> <9d6c82530504291033b9d7d04@mail.gmail.com> <53233.209.176.212.10.1114796364.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <47f4d5e705042911354eebc7bf@mail.gmail.com> If your intentions are purely to get around NAT for VNC, listen mode in VNC might be what you're looking for. Have the remote launch the VNC server, then right-click the server in the system tray, choose "ADD new client" and have them type your IP (if you're behind a NAT would require port-forwarding and the like) then just run the Listen mode viewer on your end. This would keep you from having to set up port forwarding and static IP's for everyone who's working remotely; you'd only have to set it up for yourself to ensure a VNC route to your listening viewer. If your needs expand beyond VNC or you need the encryption, setting up a VPN is the way to go. I use OpenVPN for that purpose which requires at least Win2000, but has been an excellent performer. I run the server on an old PII-350 w/ 128MB RAM, have as many as 10 concurrent users and it's rock solid. On 4/29/05, Raymond Norton wrote: > > What are you looking for? > > to be specific; I am looking for a way to connect my customers to my local > network, so I can access their PC via vnc to help trouble shoot problems > with their PC. It would need to be a roadwarrior type of set up, since > most customers are using NAT from their ISP. I suppose the closest example > would be how gotomypc works. > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 29 13:39:03 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:42:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Brother 2070N? Was: suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20050429183903.GA30563@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 01:37:24PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > OfficeDepot has this cute networked printer: > http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=964952 > > It has PCL6, network... Works fine with Linux, MacOS... > > Any opinions on this model, or on Brother gear in general? Not that model, but I have a Brother HL-1240, which I wouldn't recommend. The driver was dropped from ghostscript a while back and it takes some patching to get it back in. All of this is provided by linuxprinting.org (the best printing site ever), but it is still a hassle. Nate From bbaptist at iexposure.com Fri Apr 29 13:49:43 2005 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Fri Apr 29 13:50:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <200504291349.44248.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Friday 29 April 2005 10:53 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I need to set up a vpn server that can run over an ethernet interface and > win98 - Xp can connect to. I have looked (and worked with) a couple, but > both have limitations in these areas. > > Any recommendations? Check out this. I have messed around a little bit with it. Works really well. http://www.sshtools.com/products/enterprise/ssl-explorer/ssl-explorer.jsp Bret. > > Raymond > -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 29 13:55:07 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 29 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Free IBM pc In-Reply-To: <65293fcc050428055669f3237e@mail.gmail.com> References: <427048E3.3030703@comcast.net> <65293fcc05042805513ab4e584@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc050428055669f3237e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4272830B.3040905@visi.com> Try http://www.realvnc.com/ If all you want to do is remote control to trouble shoot it works. Sam. John Meier wrote: > > or it's going out on Thursday of next week in the > trash. > > > > Recycle! Don't poison our mother! > > > DOh - hit send too fast last time.... here's a link to HazMat drop offs: > > http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/vgn/portal/internet/hcchannelmaster/0,2324,1273_83271,00.html > > check your county if not in hennepin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From smac at visi.com Fri Apr 29 14:18:51 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Apr 29 14:28:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vpn server In-Reply-To: <200504291349.44248.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <44534.209.176.212.10.1114790004.squirrel@209.176.212.10> <200504291349.44248.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <4272889B.30403@visi.com> Oops! Try http://www.realvnc.com/ If all you want to do is remote control to trouble shoot it works. Sam. Bret Baptist wrote: >On Friday 29 April 2005 10:53 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > > >>I need to set up a vpn server that can run over an ethernet interface and >>win98 - Xp can connect to. I have looked (and worked with) a couple, but >>both have limitations in these areas. >> >>Any recommendations? >> >> > >Check out this. I have messed around a little bit with it. Works really >well. > >http://www.sshtools.com/products/enterprise/ssl-explorer/ssl-explorer.jsp > > >Bret. > > > >>Raymond >> >> >> > > > From brockn at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 17:47:30 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri Apr 29 17:48:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Brother 2070N? Was: suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050429183903.GA30563@refried.org> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> <20050429183903.GA30563@refried.org> Message-ID: <741dcbb805042915479676817@mail.gmail.com> I have a Brother 420CN and I love it! On 4/29/05, Nate Straz wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 01:37:24PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > OfficeDepot has this cute networked printer: > > http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=964952 > > > > It has PCL6, network... Works fine with Linux, MacOS... > > > > Any opinions on this model, or on Brother gear in general? > > Not that model, but I have a Brother HL-1240, which I wouldn't > recommend. The driver was dropped from ghostscript a while back and it > takes some patching to get it back in. All of this is provided by > linuxprinting.org (the best printing site > ever), but it is still a > hassle. > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- http://www.gopherbooks.com - University of Minnesota Students: A free textbook exchange and professor ratings website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050429/6623b22d/attachment.htm From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 19:20:30 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sat Apr 30 19:20:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Brother 2070N? Was: suggestions for a small laser printer In-Reply-To: <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> References: <20050427025830.GD27916@iucha.net> <20050429183723.GQ27916@iucha.net> Message-ID: On 4/29/05, Florin Iucha wrote: > OfficeDepot has this cute networked printer: > http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=964952 > > It has PCL6, network... Works fine with Linux, MacOS... > > Any opinions on this model, or on Brother gear in general? I will second the praise for this Brother printer. I have installed 3 of these things at various customer sites and they are SO cool. They work just fantastic and have a huge feature-set for the price. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock)