Joe, In this situation I might try a CDROM based upgrade install of the system from FC4 to FC4. The installer (anaconda) should be able to get your into working order. I have not tried it, so take my advice with a grain of salt. Good luck, Troy >>> "Joe Chapman" <chap0230 at umn.edu> 08/17/05 5:12 PM >>> Hey Everyone, I have recently upgraded from FC3 to FC4 via yum. (I will never do this again) And now neither yum or up2date works. I have tried everything that I know and need some advice on what to try next. Here are some things that I have done as well as some info that will hopefully help someone help me :) ... if anyone has any ideas on what i can do it would be greatly appreciated! As I said before, i am stuck here :( Thanks! -Joe