From s.earl.martin at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 12:42:27 2005 From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:45:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Visible click in X ? Message-ID: Is there an easy way to intercept mouse-click events before they hit the window manager? I use kmousetool to help stave off repetitive stress injuries (it auto-clicks when you pause the mouse for a given interval, and starts a drag event if you move the mouse within another given interval after the click), and it's difficult to hit that short drag interval when trying to pinpoint things like window borders, small toolbar/panel drag handles, etc. What I'm really after is a visual indicator that the mouse was clicked, preferably something relatively unobtrusive, like a slight cursor change. I'd like to have a solution that doesn't depend on any given window manager, since I'm always playing around in different ones. My target box is running Ubuntu, so something already sitting in the apt repositories would be ideal. Any help/info/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, SM From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 00:20:27 2005 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed Nov 2 00:21:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Visible click in X ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/1/05, Sam Martin wrote: > > Is there an easy way to intercept mouse-click events before they hit > the window manager? No. X Spec only allows one window to receive a button press event. What I'm really after is a visual indicator that the mouse was > clicked, preferably something relatively unobtrusive, like a slight > cursor change. I'd like to have a solution that doesn't depend on any > given window manager, since I'm always playing around in different > ones. My target box is running Ubuntu, so something already sitting > in the apt repositories would be ideal. Are you after something to work outside of kmousetool, or just in conjunction with it? If you want it to work with it, the simplest thing would be to get kmousetool to use the kde system bell or some similar mechanism. leif -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/6509610c/attachment.htm From ai9nl at arrl.net Wed Nov 2 07:09:12 2005 From: ai9nl at arrl.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Wed Nov 2 07:10:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter Message-ID: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> Good Morning, Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any special drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? Thanks Harv Washburn, WI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/5fc28bc6/attachment.htm From thurianknight at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 08:07:00 2005 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:08:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bdea6e30511020607j434e230as928f040e44f4bb6f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/05, Harv Nelson wrote: > Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar > > > http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html > > Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any special > drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? I know the ones we use at my work (a Belkin single-port adapter) require special drivers for Windows, that create a virtual COM port. Unfortunately I do not know if they work under Linux. -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. From peter.chase at epredix.com Wed Nov 2 08:18:23 2005 From: peter.chase at epredix.com (Chase, Peter) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:18:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter Message-ID: We use ones from ATEN (http://www.aten.com/products/productItem.php?pcid=20050107104554001&psi d=20050117102915002&pid=2005022316346005). They work flawlessly on Fedora Core 4 without any extra drivers or modules, however in Windows you do need a driver. -Pete ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Harv Nelson Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:09 AM To: TCLug Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter Good Morning, Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any special drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? Thanks Harv Washburn, WI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/32c7ee2b/attachment.htm From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Nov 2 08:26:20 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:28:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Harv Nelson wrote: > Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar > > http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html > > Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any special > drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? I just purchased the cheapest piece of junk I could find on eBay (it was like $2 + $3 shipping or something); works great. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jsievert at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 08:37:04 2005 From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:48:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter In-Reply-To: References: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cfb19470511020637s7cc76514sa398268240c9bf@mail.gmail.com> I have used this one and it worked great. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7135664&type=product&id=1110263657278 On 11/2/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Harv Nelson wrote: > > Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar > > > > http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html > > > > Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any special > > drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? > > I just purchased the cheapest piece of junk I could find on eBay (it was > like $2 + $3 shipping or something); works great. :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/9bfd2816/attachment-0001.htm From jsievert at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 09:40:24 2005 From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert) Date: Wed Nov 2 09:42:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter In-Reply-To: <4368D416.8050203@gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> <6cfb19470511020637s7cc76514sa398268240c9bf@mail.gmail.com> <4368D416.8050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cfb19470511020740t318d6d6dt72f83cf60c061b72@mail.gmail.com> Works on gentoo 2005.1 with 2.6.14, sorry i forgot which exact module but it showed up just fine under /dev/tty/USB0 and i was able to connect to a raid just fine with screen. Jason On 11/2/05, Dan Armbrust wrote: > > Jason Sievert wrote: > > I have used this one and it worked great. > > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7135664&type=product&id=1110263657278 > > < > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7135664&type=product&id=1110263657278 > > > > > > On 11/2/05, *Nate Carlson* > > wrote: > > > > I just purchased the cheapest piece of junk I could find on eBay (it > > was > > like $2 + $3 shipping or something); works great. :) > > When you guys say it works great, does that include working on linux - > just like a native serial port? > > Or are we talking windows only here? > > -- > **************************** > Daniel Armbrust > Biomedical Informatics > Mayo Clinic Rochester > daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu > http://informatics.mayo.edu/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/28a9de75/attachment.htm From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 2 10:02:35 2005 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:06:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Firewall memory jogger Message-ID: Greetings TCLUGers, I just put up a small memory jogger of a web page on firewall configuration on a Fedora Core host running Samba. If there is something wrong with it, or there are more sources I can link to, please let me know. Thanks, Troy From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 10:12:18 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:14:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Firewall memory jogger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/2/05, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Greetings TCLUGers, > > I just put up a small memory jogger of a web > page on firewall configuration on a Fedora > Core host running Samba. If there is something > wrong with it, or there are more sources I can > link to, please let me know. Thanks, Were you planning on including the link so we can review it? -Erik From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Nov 2 10:14:15 2005 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:16:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB to Serial adapter In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0511020509n7fa8b75dtbb3ad924d61a9042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C1CD390-E461-4FA2-9181-42D26CF509EB@botwerks.org> by way of a small aside. some usb to serial adapters don't support sending a hardware break. i've used the keyspan[1] adapters with considerable happiness and the assurance that they appropriately support a h/w break. i travel a lot for work and constantly evaluate the stuff that i schlep around in my bag. the keyspan is a little bit bigger than a lot of the other ones that you'll run across out there but it's rock solid. well worth the tradeoff in weight you might make to lug it around. :) On Nov 2, 2005, at 7:09 AM, Harv Nelson wrote: > Good Morning, > > Has anyone used a USB to DB9 serial converter? This model or similar > > http://www.usbgear.com/23210129.html > > Is there any other (cheaper!) you'd care to recommend. Are any > special drivers or modules required? Is "Hotplug" sufficient? references ---------- [1] http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA19HS/ -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From scotjenkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 10:18:13 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:20:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Firewall memory jogger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/2/05, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Greetings TCLUGers, > > I just put up a small memory jogger of a web > page on firewall configuration on a Fedora > Core host running Samba. If there is something > wrong with it, or there are more sources I can > link to, please let me know. Thanks, > > Troy If you want us to review it, what's the URL? scot From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 2 10:24:54 2005 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:26:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Firewall memory jogger Message-ID: Hehe, that would be a good idea, wouldn't it. Sorry, busy, blah blah blah...here it is: http://troy.jdmz.net/samba/fw/ >>> Scot Jenkins 11/02/05 10:18 AM >>> On 11/2/05, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Greetings TCLUGers, > > I just put up a small memory jogger of a web > page on firewall configuration on a Fedora > Core host running Samba. If there is something > wrong with it, or there are more sources I can > link to, please let me know. Thanks, > > Troy If you want us to review it, what's the URL? scot From jkjones at tcq.net Wed Nov 2 11:15:14 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:16:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? In-Reply-To: <4364285E.7060300@visi.com> References: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> <4364285E.7060300@visi.com> Message-ID: <4368F422.70503@tcq.net> Bob Hartmann wrote: > > I'm about to start doing a similar project. Well, identical. One > thing to look out for is the fact that most turntables do not have > built in preamps. That means the signal coming out needs some serious > EQ on the low end. (standardized by our friends at the RIAA, the > people who want to jail us for doing this.. ) Check out > http://www.platenspeler.com/background/riaa/uk_riaa_background_1.html > If you have a receiver with a phono input, make it easy and just go > from the aux out on your receiver. Otherwise, I imagine one could > record direct and then use ReZound to approximate the curve shown on > the page I linked above to get similar results. Gramofile sounds > interesting but I hated their website immediately. Doesn't say > anything about preamps or filters, anyway. As I've said, I am going > to doing this soon, so I would certainly appreciate anything anyone > has to say about the process. > Oh, btw, I use Ardour for capturing audio, ReZound for post and k3B > for burn. I came from the Cakewalk crowd, so I like to see stuff on > screen. In color! ;> > > Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On 10/29/05, Kraig Jones wrote: >> >> >>> I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found >>> one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using >>> Audacity to >>> record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it seems to >>> me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just wondering >>> if anyone has used any other methods? >>> >> >> >> You have a few options here...you could use either arecord or ecasound >> from the command line to record the wav and then encode to mp3 using >> lame. Alternatively, there's an open-source project called >> "gramofile" which was written specifically to help people do the >> vinyl->mp3 conversion. I've never used it, but it might be of use for >> you. >> >> -Erik > Thanks everyone, for the ideas. Project status report so far: Had to get a new turntable. The old good quality one with the cracked base was the one thrown out at last basement cleaning, old cheapo turntable with nice base was saved, but doesn't work. So I picked one up at Radio Shack. Turntables sold at local retailers all look the same -- different names, but appear to be identical. It works OK, obviously not top-of-the-line hi-fi, but it has a built-in preamp. Either Audacity or Gramofile work well to record to .wav. Gramofile doesn't look as pretty, but it's simple to use and the menu is set up to do exactly what I'm trying to do: Record to .wav, process audio (filters to remove LP noise), and split the sound file into tracks. Export to compressed formats (ogg or mp3) isn't implemented in Gramofile; KAudioCreator does that. Gramofile's filters help reduce cracks and pops from scratchy LPs. Not entirely, but my first sample LPs are in bad shape. Audacity has filters that allow more tweaking, but are not as one-click simple to use as Gramofile. I experimented some with RIAA and other equalization in Audacity, but I couldn't hear any differences from the straight recording. Rezound crashed a couple times while I was trying it, but it looks promising so I'll see if I can get it to work. Kraig From jimdscott at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 11:51:36 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:52:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? In-Reply-To: <4368F422.70503@tcq.net> References: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> <4364285E.7060300@visi.com> <4368F422.70503@tcq.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the update. This is a project I'd like to do some day. I'll save this email so I know where to start. On 11/2/05, Kraig Jones wrote: > > Bob Hartmann wrote: > > > > > I'm about to start doing a similar project. Well, identical. One > > thing to look out for is the fact that most turntables do not have > > built in preamps. That means the signal coming out needs some serious > > EQ on the low end. (standardized by our friends at the RIAA, the > > people who want to jail us for doing this.. ) Check out > > http://www.platenspeler.com/background/riaa/uk_riaa_background_1.html > > If you have a receiver with a phono input, make it easy and just go > > from the aux out on your receiver. Otherwise, I imagine one could > > record direct and then use ReZound to approximate the curve shown on > > the page I linked above to get similar results. Gramofile sounds > > interesting but I hated their website immediately. Doesn't say > > anything about preamps or filters, anyway. As I've said, I am going > > to doing this soon, so I would certainly appreciate anything anyone > > has to say about the process. > > Oh, btw, I use Ardour for capturing audio, ReZound for post and k3B > > for burn. I came from the Cakewalk crowd, so I like to see stuff on > > screen. In color! ;> > > > > Erik Anderson wrote: > > > >> On 10/29/05, Kraig Jones wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found > >>> one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using > >>> Audacity to > >>> record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it seems to > >>> me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just wondering > >>> if anyone has used any other methods? > >>> > >> > >> > >> You have a few options here...you could use either arecord or ecasound > >> from the command line to record the wav and then encode to mp3 using > >> lame. Alternatively, there's an open-source project called > >> "gramofile" which was written specifically to help people do the > >> vinyl->mp3 conversion. I've never used it, but it might be of use for > >> you. > >> > >> -Erik > > > > Thanks everyone, for the ideas. Project status report so far: > > Had to get a new turntable. The old good quality one with the cracked > base was the one thrown out at last basement cleaning, old cheapo > turntable with nice base was saved, but doesn't work. So I picked one > up at Radio Shack. Turntables sold at local retailers all look the same > -- different names, but appear to be identical. It works OK, obviously > not top-of-the-line hi-fi, but it has a built-in preamp. > > Either Audacity or Gramofile work well to record to .wav. Gramofile > doesn't look as pretty, but it's simple to use and the menu is set up to > do exactly what I'm trying to do: Record to .wav, process audio > (filters to remove LP noise), and split the sound file into tracks. > Export to compressed formats (ogg or mp3) isn't implemented in > Gramofile; KAudioCreator does that. > > Gramofile's filters help reduce cracks and pops from scratchy LPs. Not > entirely, but my first sample LPs are in bad shape. Audacity has > filters that allow more tweaking, but are not as one-click simple to use > as Gramofile. I experimented some with RIAA and other equalization in > Audacity, but I couldn't hear any differences from the straight recording. > > Rezound crashed a couple times while I was trying it, but it looks > promising so I'll see if I can get it to work. > > Kraig > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/c874c18b/attachment.htm From tclug at greatlakedata.com Wed Nov 2 14:48:06 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:50:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530510261227v4bc9cfa2p3f76dd035ee7bc83@mail.gmail.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> <9d6c82530510261227v4bc9cfa2p3f76dd035ee7bc83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43692606.6080805@greatlakedata.com> Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Have you thought about hosting your video on Google's Video pages or on > the Internet Archive? I believe both can work with copyrighted > information and both want to host independent videos. The Internet > Archive (http://www.archive.org/details/movies) is attempting to create > the biggest digital age 'library'. > > Google Video uses a form of VLC for streaming videos but the customer's > would have to install Google's client application. so if on google video folks would need a special client from google, but no such for Internet Archive? if we then mentioned it in our eNewsletter (15000 eSubscribers), would Internet Archive's bandwidth be likely to cope with the number of folks that might want to go see it? right now what we've got is a 10min DVD. what kind of online formats should i consider converting that into? similar question for audio formats, we've also got a 10min audio interview, which could perhaps go on our own site, or perhaps archive.org. tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:00:42 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Nov 2 15:02:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <43692606.6080805@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> <9d6c82530510261227v4bc9cfa2p3f76dd035ee7bc83@mail.gmail.com> <43692606.6080805@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On 11/2/05, greg wm wrote: > > so if on google video folks would need a special client from google, but > no such for Internet Archive? Google video no longer requires a plugin aside from flash, which most people have installed anyway. > if we then mentioned it in our eNewsletter (15000 eSubscribers), would > Internet Archive's bandwidth be likely to cope with the number of folks > that might want to go see it? I'm not sure about the Internet Archive, but I'm certain Google wouldn't even flinch at this amount of bandwidth. > right now what we've got is a 10min DVD. what kind of online formats > should i consider converting that into? You'll have to rip the DVD and transcode it into another format - possibly DivX? There are a ton of tutorials on how to do this at http://doom9.net/. > similar question for audio formats, we've also got a 10min audio > interview, which could perhaps go on our own site, or perhaps archive.org. MP3 would work fine I'd think. From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 17:05:10 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Wed Nov 2 17:06:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <43692606.6080805@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> <9d6c82530510261227v4bc9cfa2p3f76dd035ee7bc83@mail.gmail.com> <43692606.6080805@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <9d6c82530511021505i5d0325c3s30594ac58f1e637e@mail.gmail.com> Google Video is still in beta. I did see Google video choke at the very beginning. Maybe it won't happen again. Google will also transcode the audio content to allow the video to become searchable. Internet Archive has a more reasonable model for non-profit video distribution and is not in beta. Go ahead and contact them to have them tell you how much Internet bandwidth they have available for your project. Your video sounds exactly why archive.org is doing video. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051102/6ae5b0c2/attachment.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Nov 3 05:04:42 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Nov 3 05:06:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Firewall memory jogger In-Reply-To: <21721552.1130949057623.JavaMail.root@sniper23> References: <21721552.1130949057623.JavaMail.root@sniper23> Message-ID: <200511030504.44542.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 10:24 am, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Hehe, that would be a good idea, wouldn't it. > > Sorry, busy, blah blah blah...here it is: > > http://troy.jdmz.net/samba/fw/ > > >>> Scot Jenkins 11/02/05 10:18 AM >>> > > On 11/2/05, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > Greetings TCLUGers, > > > > I just put up a small memory jogger of a web > > page on firewall configuration on a Fedora > > Core host running Samba. If there is something > > wrong with it, or there are more sources I can > > link to, please let me know. Thanks, > > > > Troy > > If you want us to review it, what's the URL? > > scot > > Looks basic enough. Might want to mention, possibly as a footnote, that samba supports restricting IP access as well in its config which can be used as a last effort protection mechanism in case iptables fails for some reason: screwed up iptables config, kernel update without iptables support, etc. From dniesen at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 18:27:34 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Sat Nov 5 18:29:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] X without mouse? Message-ID: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to set up a machine to run headless, the only problem I have is that when I unplug the mouse and keyboard, X fails to load. I tried commenting out the InputDevice section and the the InputDevice part that refers to the mouse in the ServerLayout section but then X complains that there is no core pointer. -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From thecubic at thecubic.net Sat Nov 5 18:45:28 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Sat Nov 5 18:45:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] X without mouse? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511051845.30943.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Saturday 05 November 2005 18:27, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm trying to set up a machine to run headless, the only problem I > have is that when I unplug the mouse and keyboard, X fails to load. I > tried commenting out the InputDevice section and the the InputDevice > part that refers to the mouse in the ServerLayout section but then X > complains that there is no core pointer. If it's running headless and doesn't need X, it would be beneficial to change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 so X isn't loaded at all. ( 'id:5:initdefault:' -> 'id:3:initdefault:' ) Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051105/66e19fd9/attachment.pgp From dniesen at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 18:51:39 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Sat Nov 5 18:53:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] X without mouse? In-Reply-To: <200511051845.30943.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> <200511051845.30943.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70511051651k596b9c73l7b8309ee70b9abe7@mail.gmail.com> It does need X but I did find a way to run it without the mouse. I mistyped when I said headless I actually meant that it needed to run "armless." I just changed /dev/input/mouse to /dev/null and now all is happy. On 11/5/05, Dave Carlson wrote: > On Saturday 05 November 2005 18:27, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > I'm trying to set up a machine to run headless, the only problem I > > have is that when I unplug the mouse and keyboard, X fails to load. I > > tried commenting out the InputDevice section and the the InputDevice > > part that refers to the mouse in the ServerLayout section but then X > > complains that there is no core pointer. > > If it's running headless and doesn't need X, it would be beneficial to change > the default runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 so X isn't loaded at all. > > ( 'id:5:initdefault:' -> 'id:3:initdefault:' ) > > Dave Carlson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From swaite at sbn-services.com Mon Nov 7 01:33:52 2005 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Mon Nov 7 01:35:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Suse installation on Compaq Proliant 1850R Message-ID: Has anyone installed newer versions of Suse on an Compaq Proliant older gen server? I have tried with safe settings (apm=off, acpi=off, etc.) but once the install files are loaded the server just goes blank at the point that the Yast install would normally appear. I thought at first it was just a matter of having an incorrect resolution set for install, but that is not the case. One aspect I do wonder about is that I am not using the onboard graphics but rather a Remote Insight board from a DL380. Normally I would not think this could be a problem, but at this point I am running out of ideas. Any tips or info will be very much appreciated. Sean Waite swaite@sbn-services.com From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Mon Nov 7 06:32:28 2005 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Mon Nov 7 06:34:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] X without mouse? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70511051651k596b9c73l7b8309ee70b9abe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> <200511051845.30943.thecubic@thecubic.net> <47f4d5e70511051651k596b9c73l7b8309ee70b9abe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051107063228.1fc543d5@jthink.zeroink.com> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:51:39 -0600 Donovan Niesen wrote: > It does need X but I did find a way to run it without the mouse. I > mistyped when I said headless I actually meant that it needed to run > "armless." I just changed /dev/input/mouse to /dev/null and now all > is happy. > -allowMouseOpenFail start server even if the mouse can't be initialized For both Xorg or XFree86. -Jay From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 12:06:06 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon Nov 7 12:06:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] X without mouse? In-Reply-To: <20051107063228.1fc543d5@jthink.zeroink.com> References: <47f4d5e70511051627q2e83391aub2c6a5613f2ea069@mail.gmail.com> <200511051845.30943.thecubic@thecubic.net> <47f4d5e70511051651k596b9c73l7b8309ee70b9abe7@mail.gmail.com> <20051107063228.1fc543d5@jthink.zeroink.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70511071006w1c9fa83bja22451adfd63bc27@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/05, Jay J wrote: > On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:51:39 -0600 > Donovan Niesen wrote: > > > It does need X but I did find a way to run it without the mouse. I > > mistyped when I said headless I actually meant that it needed to run > > "armless." I just changed /dev/input/mouse to /dev/null and now all > > is happy. > > > > -allowMouseOpenFail > start server even if the mouse can't be initialized > > For both Xorg or XFree86. > > -Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > That did seem to be the best option. Thanks for your help! -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From jack at jacku.com Mon Nov 7 13:21:34 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Nov 7 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Suse installation on Compaq Proliant 1850R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2421.64.211.83.42.1131391294.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> On Mon, November 7, 2005 1:33 am, Sean Waite wrote: > Has anyone installed newer versions of Suse on an Compaq Proliant older > gen > server? I have tried with safe settings (apm=off, acpi=off, etc.) but once > the > install files are loaded the server just goes blank at the point that the > Yast > install would normally appear. I thought at first it was just a matter of > having > an incorrect resolution set for install, but that is not the case. One > aspect I > do wonder about is that I am not using the onboard graphics but rather a > Remote > Insight board from a DL380. Normally I would not think this could be a > problem, > but at this point I am running out of ideas. > > Any tips or info will be very much appreciated. > > > > Sean Waite > swaite@sbn-services.com > A couple of quick questions: Which version(s) of SuSE have you tried? How much RAM in the system? Have you tried the text mode install? Jack - Local SuSE bigot -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From david.fawcett at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 13:28:10 2005 From: david.fawcett at gmail.com (David Fawcett) Date: Mon Nov 7 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Palm Tungsten on FC3 Message-ID: Anyone out there using Palm devices on Fedora (or other linuxs)? I have a Tungston T that I am trying to reliably sync on Fedora Core 3. First question, I was trying to synch it with KOrganizer, but I have no investment in it. What is your favorite 'Palm Desktop' / Organizer for Linux? Using jPilot and kOrganizer, I as able to synch (USB cradle) a few times, but not consistently. I had to add a line to /etc/udev/10-wacom.rules to make it work. I also know that there are issues with a kernal bug and synching. Does anyone have a decent 'recipe' for setting up a Palm on FC3? If so, I would greatly appreciate it. David. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. ph 651 492 3174. specs are as follows: full info at apple.com 1.33GHz PowerPC G4 512K L2 cache @1.33GHz 1GB memory (DDR333 SDRAM) 12.1-inch TFT Display 1024x768 resolution ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 32MB DDR video memory 40GB Ultra ATA hard drive Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) Built-in AirPort Extreme Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR Scrolling Trackpad Sudden Motion Sensor Seller Email address: godzillapinhole at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Nov 8 08:44:05 2005 From: jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Joe Stuart) Date: Tue Nov 8 08:44:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] nis kde problem Message-ID: I am running suse 10 with kde for my desktop and using nis for authentication. The problem I'm having is when I login through kdm I get the error could not start kstartupconfig check your installation. The strange thing is that if I login as root then su - user it authenticates me just fine pulls my home directory from the nis server and all is good. The other thing is that if I choose windowmaker or anything but kde I can login fine then after that successfull login I can use kde as my desktop. After searcing the internet the kstartupconfig error seems to mostly come up from problems with the users home directory, but I dont really understand why this works on the commandline and why kde works after one successfull login using another windowmanager. Hope that makes some sense. Joe From jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Nov 8 10:10:49 2005 From: jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Joe Stuart) Date: Tue Nov 8 10:14:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] nis kde problem Message-ID: No I think the problem I am having is related to nis. Kde doesnt seem to want to load if the user has never logged into the box before authenticating using nis. >>> Harv Nelson 11/8/2005 10:04:33 AM >>> Hi Joe, If you are asking how to get kdm going as a login manager, this is what I did on my Debian "Etch" dpkg-reconfigure kdm This will set kdm as the login/display manager ... rather than gdm or xdm. In KDE, if you want to allow root logins from the kdm login screen you must edit the following: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc [General] ConfigVersion=2.2 PidFile=/var/run/kdm.pid ServerVTs=-7 Xservers=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers [Shutdown] HaltCmd=/sbin/halt RebootCmd=/sbin/reboot UseLilo=false [X-*-Core] AllowNullPasswd=false AllowRootLogin=true AllowShutdown=Root AutoReLogin=false ClientLogFile=.xsession-errors-%s Reset=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xreset Session=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession SessionsDirs=/etc/X11/sessions,/usr/share/xsessions Setup=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup Startup=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup HTH Harv, Washburn, WI On 11/8/05, Joe Stuart wrote: > I am running suse 10 with kde for my desktop and using nis for authentication. The problem I'm having is when I login through kdm I get the error could not start kstartupconfig check your installation. The strange thing is that if I login as root then su - user it authenticates me just fine pulls my home directory from the nis server and all is good. The other thing is that if I choose windowmaker or anything but kde I can login fine then after that successfull login I can use kde as my desktop. After searcing the internet the kstartupconfig error seems to mostly come up from problems with the users home directory, but I dont really understand why this works on the commandline and why kde works after one successfull login using another windowmanager. Hope that makes some sense. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ai9nl at arrl.net Tue Nov 8 10:19:23 2005 From: ai9nl at arrl.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 8 10:26:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] nis kde problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a470a5f0511080819k75ac573br10a45ed2b318898b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Joe, If you are asking how to get kdm going as a login manager, this is what I did on my Debian "Etch" dpkg-reconfigure kdm This will set kdm as the login/display manager ... rather than gdm or xdm. In KDE, if you want to allow root logins from the kdm login screen you must edit the following: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc [General] ConfigVersion=2.2 PidFile=/var/run/kdm.pid ServerVTs=-7 Xservers=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers [Shutdown] HaltCmd=/sbin/halt RebootCmd=/sbin/reboot UseLilo=false [X-*-Core] AllowNullPasswd=false AllowRootLogin=true AllowShutdown=Root AutoReLogin=false ClientLogFile=.xsession-errors-%s Reset=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xreset Session=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession SessionsDirs=/etc/X11/sessions,/usr/share/xsessions Setup=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup Startup=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup HTH Harv, Washburn, WI On 11/8/05, Joe Stuart wrote: > > I am running suse 10 with kde for my desktop and using nis for > authentication. The problem I'm having is when I login through kdm I get the > error could not start kstartupconfig check your installation. The strange > thing is that if I login as root then su - user it authenticates me just > fine pulls my home directory from the nis server and all is good. The other > thing is that if I choose windowmaker or anything but kde I can login fine > then after that successfull login I can use kde as my desktop. After > searcing the internet the kstartupconfig error seems to mostly come up from > problems with the users home directory, but I dont really understand why > this works on the commandline and why kde works after one successfull login > using another windowmanager. Hope that makes some sense. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Getting 2 sticks of 1Gb (2x(1x1GB)) like this: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145505 ? The second option is a bit cheaper - that's the only diff I see... Maybe the Kits are "matched" or something? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051110/2ded33a7/attachment.htm From tclug at greatlakedata.com Fri Nov 11 11:35:17 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:35:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? Message-ID: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> hi tcluggers, i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. where would you buy your metal? why? tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Nov 11 12:07:23 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:07:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511111807.jABI7N709063@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: mics pc parts CPU: -pII 350 w/ heat sink & fan..$1 -matched pair slot one pIII 500 w/ heat sinks...$15 -intel pIII 550 slot one..$6 -matched pair slot one pIII 750 w/ noisey heatsinks/fans...$35 VIDEO: -Diamond Savage 4 sdram sS540 116mb agp video card...$10 -Matrox Dual head MGI+MDHA32f agp video card...$25 -ATI All In Wonder PCI Rage 128 w/ dongle 16mb...$20 -Matrox G2+dmila/8d upgradable memory...$5 PCMCIA: -Xircom PCMCIA 56 modem & 10/100 real port (double hieght no dongles!)..$15 -Noteworthy/3Com 56k pcmica modem w/ xjack...$4 OTHER: -Tyan S1832d dual slot one mobo...$15 -Promise Ultra 100 ide controller..$5 -RealTek pci 10/100 network card..$2 -Adaptec 3 port pci firewire card...$5 -Comaq ps2 keyboard..$1 -floppy drives..$1ea Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:29:11 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:29:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: > where would you buy your metal? why? Dell. > why? Company standards and Perferred Account discounts and all that. It all depends on what you're looking for really. Renewable support contract or a standard warranty? Is it actual server class hardware or a beefy workstation? Hadware or Software RAID? Dual Processors? etc etc etc... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 11 12:33:22 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:34:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <200511111818.jABII8hG007155@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200511111818.jABII8hG007155@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <10315.192.28.2.52.1131734002.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:35:17 -0600 > From: greg wm > hi tcluggers, > > i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be > custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but > i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. > > where would you buy your metal? why? Personally, I'd buy from IBM. They have cheap to insane servers that are built like tanks with fantastic warranties and online support. Parts are widely available and reasonably priced. You can upgrade to 4-hour onsite warranty if you need it. My company uses nothing but IBM for our entire data center and developer servers. All two machines! Right now they have a used xSeries 250 for $454, or a new xSeries 206 for $445. And neither comes with an OS. Chris From swaite at sbn-services.com Fri Nov 11 12:54:38 2005 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:55:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: Well, first welcome to Minnesota! Let me ask you this, what are you intending to do with these servers? Do they have to be new? If these are going to be used for something like a webserver, data storage, etc. think about a used DL380G2 or DL360 (Rackmounts) or ML350 (Tower). Recently we came across some new HP Proliant ML350G2 (3Ghz Intel 1x (2x slots), 1GB RAM) for about $2500. I have to look up who had these, but back in July I saw these listed for about $1800 new, with 3yr factory warranty. Personally I am not a big fan of whitebox servers. I have found that you do not save as much money to justify the loss of added extras. The HP/Compaq servers extra software is especially a plus. Being able to configure a RAID array online is a plus. The last whitebox servers I came across all had to be done in the adapters config utility, requiring a reboot and downtime. The one feature I like most about these Compaq DL servers is I have 99% uptime, except for when I have to move the server or something. I would stay away from IBM servers. They tend to be a lot more expensive without really justifying the cost. Recently we got for a client an IBM server that cost about $2600. The comparable HP model was $1800, unfortunately we needed a server with 2 standard PCI slots for older Dialogic cards. The RAID configuration software was a joke. Worst situations with a server is having to shutdown or reboot just to re-build a drive. I have had a few drives go bad in me, but never once lost downtime, something I can not say for a couple of the whitebox type servers we have had in the past (the kind you would get at General Nanosys). It was for that reason we replaced everything with DL380s. Even replaced a dual 2Ghz server with a dual 733mhz and couldn't be more happy with the result. Anyways, take a look at http://www.nautilusnet.com/. This is the company I have purchased 99% of all my server parts from. Very dependable, reliable company. Another is http://www.computerresale.com/. I have heard positive things from other brokers about them, but yet to ever purchase from them directly. One local company here is www.Serverworlds.com. If you do narrow down a specific type/model of server let me know and I will search the broker networks for a good deal. I know you probably would like the convenience of purchasing locally, but sadly Minnesota has some really bad prices compared to elsewhere around the US. I would avoid Ebay in general though. The prices are not low enough to warrant the hassle and frustration of potentially getting screwed. Especially since most sellers sell "as is" with no warranty. Sean Waite swaite@sbn-services.com -----Original Message----- From: greg wm To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:35:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? > hi tcluggers, > > i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be > custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but > i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. > > where would you buy your metal? why? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 13:17:49 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0511111117q56775cban84ea61a5179e339a@mail.gmail.com> > > where would you buy your metal? why? Maybe not an ideal source, but I've scored some dell and Compaq servers from http://www.idleassetauctions.com/ - a local auction joint. In my case I just wanted to play around with server hardware and linux - just to get some experience with HW RAID and whatnot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051111/5c189e9a/attachment.htm From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 13:31:57 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> If your looking for good bang for your buck: http://www.penguincomputing.com/ We just ordered a Dual CPU AMD Opteron system from them for about 1/2 the cost than an equivalent machine would cost from HP, Dell* or IBM *Dell doesn't sell Opterons - just the inferior Intel EMT line (due to intels stranglehold on Dell) And Dell and HP are still about 1/2 the price of Sun... Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Nov 11 13:32:26 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:33:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, greg wm wrote: > i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be > custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but > i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. For work, we buy Dell.. the 4-hr warranty is nice (as long as you get a technician that trusts that you have reasonable hardware diagnostic skills, and that the part you say is dead is indeed dead -- if the tech is annoying, I usually just keep asking for supervisors/managers until I get someone that'll give me the replacement parts), and I don't trust myself to build 1u/2u servers with proper cooling. If you buy at the right time, with the right coupon codes (and/or a sales rep who likes you), you can get some killer deals. For home, where I'm still tower servers, I just build 'em myself with parts from NewEgg. I've heard good things about MWave's builds - you pick the parts and they put it together for you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Nov 11 13:39:07 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:41:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> Dan Armbrust wrote: > > And Dell and HP are still about 1/2 the price of Sun... > > Dan > I was just pricing out Opteron servers on Sun's website, seemed pretty comparable in pricing to Dell. Am I missing something? From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Nov 11 13:45:31 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:49:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <4374F4DB.2010607@joshwelch.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, greg wm wrote: >> i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could >> be custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good >> but i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. > > For work, we buy Dell.. the 4-hr warranty is nice (as long as you get a > technician that trusts that you have reasonable hardware diagnostic > skills, and that the part you say is dead is indeed dead -- if the tech > is annoying, I usually just keep asking for supervisors/managers until I > get someone that'll give me the replacement parts), and I don't trust > myself to build 1u/2u servers with proper cooling. If you buy at the > right time, with the right coupon codes (and/or a sales rep who likes > you), you can get some killer deals. > > For home, where I'm still tower servers, I just build 'em myself with > parts from NewEgg. I've heard good things about MWave's builds - you > pick the parts and they put it together for you. > Likewise Dell at my office, overall happy with them. Service has been good for the most part, pricing is pretty cheap. I would say they don't suck more than anyone else. Do wish they had Opteron servers though. IIRC, you can get certified by Dell on their hardware for a relatively low price and they will just order you a hard drive when you tell them the hard drive is bad, or a motherboard if you say it is bad. I've been planning on doing this eventually in my copious free time :) If it's a box for your work, and you are going to be at all dependent upon it, order from a known reputable seller who will be there to support you tomorrow. You don't necessarily have to pay a lot to get this. Josh From progressivepenguin at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 13:58:51 2005 From: progressivepenguin at gmail.com (Steve Tripp) Date: Fri Nov 11 13:59:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <7156d5f20511111158y784c22e2xc2da87e647b58b30@mail.gmail.com> They are not local, but: http://www.penguincomputing.com http://www.monarchcomputer.com In that order. I use both and their Customer Service and Tech Support is good. Most importantly, they are relatively inexpensive. They are both AMD friendly, which is important to me. And both are Linux / Open Source savvy, and offer choices in pre-installed Linux. I've also used http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/ for a low end server, and for a couple of desktop machines. Steve Tripp On 11/11/05, greg wm wrote: > hi tcluggers, > > i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be > custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but > i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. > > where would you buy your metal? why? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- The Ambassador and the General were briefing me on the -- the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice. -- Preznit Junior Samples. White House, Oct. 27, 2003 From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 14:16:49 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri Nov 11 14:17:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> Josh Welch wrote: > > I was just pricing out Opteron servers on Sun's website, seemed pretty > comparable in pricing to Dell. Am I missing something? > > I was trying to quote a machine out with 16 GB of ram, and Sun's price went into the 20K plus range - that was when I stopped looking there. Maybe I missed something. Dell and HP were both more comparable to Penguins price until I pushed the memory requirements way up. Then Penguin came out on top (by a good 50%) Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From bhurt at spnz.org Fri Nov 11 15:15:37 2005 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Fri Nov 11 15:11:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: I, and a large number of other people I know, have had a lot of good luck with General Nanosystems: http://www.nanosys1.com/ Note that all of the good reports I've heard were from people who actually wandered into their University Ave. location. I know some people who've had some bad experiences with them as a pure mail operation. So I'd recommend them if you're local, not so much if you're not. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Dan Armbrust wrote: > Josh Welch wrote: > >> >> I was just pricing out Opteron servers on Sun's website, seemed pretty >> comparable in pricing to Dell. Am I missing something? >> >> > I was trying to quote a machine out with 16 GB of ram, and Sun's price went > into the 20K plus range - that was when I stopped looking there. Maybe I > missed something. > > Dell and HP were both more comparable to Penguins price until I pushed the > memory requirements way up. Then Penguin came out on top (by a good 50%) > > > Dan > -- > **************************** > Daniel Armbrust > Biomedical Informatics > Mayo Clinic Rochester > daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu > http://informatics.mayo.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Nov 11 15:26:33 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Nov 11 15:27:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374F4DB.2010607@joshwelch.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F4DB.2010607@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Josh Welch wrote: > IIRC, you can get certified by Dell on their hardware for a relatively > low price and they will just order you a hard drive when you tell them > the hard drive is bad, or a motherboard if you say it is bad. I've been > planning on doing this eventually in my copious free time :) Yeah; I've heard that too, just haven't gone down that path. Alternatively, if you pay extra for their higher-level support plans on the box, you can get the same deal. Stupid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Nov 11 15:27:54 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Nov 11 15:32:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Dan Armbrust wrote: > I was trying to quote a machine out with 16 GB of ram, and Sun's price > went into the 20K plus range - that was when I stopped looking there. > Maybe I missed something. System integrators always overcharge for memory.. I'd recommend buying the extra memory from Crucial. Only problem is that if the vendor blames a problem on the memory, you'll have to pull the Crucial out and say "see, it's still broken".. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From swaite at sbn-services.com Fri Nov 11 17:18:27 2005 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Fri Nov 11 17:19:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: Depends on what line of Sun servers you priced out. One thing to keep in mind, the lowest entry level Sun server will be of a lot higher quality than any mainstream Dell server just due to the fact that companies like Sun, Compaq, and IBM spend a lot more resources and time doing product testing and evaluation than Dell does. Sean Waite -----Original Message----- From: Josh Welch To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:39:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? > Dan Armbrust wrote: > > > > > And Dell and HP are still about 1/2 the price of Sun... > > > > Dan > > > > I was just pricing out Opteron servers on Sun's website, seemed pretty > comparable in pricing to Dell. Am I missing something? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Nov 11 20:44:22 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Nov 11 20:45:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Sean Waite wrote: > Depends on what line of Sun servers you priced out. One thing to keep in > mind, the lowest entry level Sun server will be of a lot higher quality > than any mainstream Dell server just due to the fact that companies like > Sun, Compaq, and IBM spend a lot more resources and time doing product > testing and evaluation than Dell does. After recent experience with the Sun v20z's, I'd disagree - the quality isn't there. >From what one of my co-workers who's been working with Sun on the boxes said, Sun actually bought the line from another vendor, and has been trying to make them into usable servers - the IMPI management interface has issues, the RAID controllers are cruddy (compared to the Dell ones, at least), the hardware quality is sub-par, etc. The new line of high-end Opteron servers is supposed to be better, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 22:06:38 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri Nov 11 22:07:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> <4374FC31.7060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0511112006i4e246fe8g54c3af5b6b3b004e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > System integrators always overcharge for memory.. I'd recommend buying the > extra memory from Crucial. Only problem is that if the vendor blames a > problem on the memory, you'll have to pull the Crucial out and say "see, > it's still broken".. Ironic. Most integrators will give you Micron memory which, surprise, is the same identical stick that Crucial will sell you. *Insert plug for Micron, best friggin memory on the planet, and the cheapest place to buy it is Crucial* Addressing the original poster, HPaq or Dell. If it suits you, consider leasing. Most vendors will give you a 5 year lease. The break even point is about 4.5 years so if you unload the server before 4 years, you get by cheaper and stay current on the hardware. -Brian From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sat Nov 12 12:47:49 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sat Nov 12 12:50:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router Message-ID: I'm calling this OT because it isn't a Linux question, but it is a computer question and there are some unixy elements to it. I cannot connect to the PC via VNC, but I also cannot ping it. On the other hand, traceroute from outside the network finds it OK. On the PC I see this kind of info from ipconfig /all: Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : MIKE1 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-D4-28-B4-37 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 24.94.163.100 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:12:06 AM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:12:06 AM When I SSH from the PC to a Solaris box outside of my home network, the Solaris box says I'm connecting from CPE-24-94-198-51.mn.res.rr.com (I changed that number just a bit, but you get the idea). Ping works to "localhost" or to 192.168.1.100 but not to 192.168.1.1 nor to CPE-24-94-198-51.mn.res.rr.com. So I am stuck. I have Time-Warner cable modem and Linksys 54g wireless router (but I'm plugged into the router with an ethernet wire). I'm running Windows XP x64 (but I doubt that has anything to do with it). Thanks in advance for any tips. Best, Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ From thecubic at thecubic.net Sat Nov 12 13:43:36 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Sat Nov 12 13:44:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Saturday 12 November 2005 12:47, Mike Miller wrote: > I'm calling this OT because it isn't a Linux question, but it is a > computer question and there are some unixy elements to it. Your Linksys (WRT54G/WRT54GS) runs linux and iptables - and is probably the barrier - so it's not that far off. > I cannot connect to the PC via VNC, but I also cannot ping it. On the > other hand, traceroute from outside the network finds it OK. On the PC I > see this kind of info from ipconfig /all: Are you talking about connecting to inside VNC from the outside world? You _definitely_ shouldn't be able to do that without some configuring. You have to go to Applications/Gaming, and open up your vnc port (often 5900/tcp) to the machine you want to use. Off of that, the router sets up Destination NAT. Your local PCs are set up with NAT which blocks them off from the outside world. You have to use destination nat to connect back to them (then you connect to CPE-24-94-198-51.mn.res.rr.com and you'll get the local PC). > When I SSH from the PC to a Solaris box outside of my home network, the > Solaris box says I'm connecting from CPE-24-94-198-51.mn.res.rr.com (I > changed that number just a bit, but you get the idea). Ping works to > "localhost" or to 192.168.1.100 but not to 192.168.1.1 nor to > CPE-24-94-198-51.mn.res.rr.com. Your device runs under NAT (network address translation), which means that any computer in your local network appears to the outside as if it were your router - so appearing as CPE-* is correct. Ping doesn't work from the world to the router by default. It should work from the inside - if you can get to a web page from the inside, the ping is kind of moot. I don't really have any advice for pinging from the inside, but the generic 'use the latest firewall and wipe out the settings and restore' advice. My 'security -> firewall' setup has Block Anonymous Internet Requests Filter Multicast Filter IDENT(Port 113) but not Filter Internet NAT Redirection and I can get to SSH on an inside machine. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <437617B4.4010704@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> thank you all for your lively responses, helped me pull back the wool far enough for a quick glimpse of life further up the barrel. when you spend all your time on the shoestring you can forget that to other folk metal actually means something more than old scraps held together with bailing wire. truly NP has been gifted literally with loads of old scraps. but see, i actually spent some $ for a 'whitebox' server earlier this year, and ironically the onus is still on me to do the part swap dance with it in order to determine exactly why it is that it can't add reliably either. and since i'm chronically short on time, it sits idle, even under warranty, while old scraps are being the workhorses. enter the classic catalyst in this formula, the fast approaching eoy with money remaining in the budget. and yes folks, sorry to mislead or disappoint, but your old castoff workstation, or a used almost anything, would be a shining server to me. but is there any point in looking at used metal if you can be happy with two nice new boxes for less than 4 digits? and at that price point i'm presuming that contracts are silly, and therefore since nobody will be coming to visit, i should be dealing with local vendors, say general nano, where i can easily drop by. even with this formula tho, perhaps i should hearken to incantations of dell or HPaq, to save myself some partswapping? hey sorry, this old geezer just doesn't have experience shopping, been spending all my time calling forth spirit from the dust. and i freely admit, budgetting, money or time, has never been my forte. don't worry to shoot holes in my thinking, they're already there, a little mentoring here would be way welcome. eg i thinks to myself, why bother with raid, when a phone line problem or a fire can still knock you right out. what i look forward to, when i get the time (giggle), is a failover server in another city, even another continent. we do have offices in brussels and delhi afterall. btw my most reliable stress test so far: check the md5sum on several ISOs. my bad machines miscompute on 1 out of about 5 or 6 ISOs. must really give the memory and disc and dma all a good simultaneous whirl. Sean Waite wrote: > Well, first welcome to Minnesota! Let me ask you this, what are you intending to > do with these servers? Do they have to be new? If these are going to be used for > something like a webserver, data storage, etc. think about a used DL380G2 or > DL360 (Rackmounts) or ML350 (Tower). > > Recently we came across some new HP Proliant ML350G2 (3Ghz Intel 1x (2x slots), > 1GB RAM) for about $2500. I have to look up who had these, but back in July I > saw these listed for about $1800 new, with 3yr factory warranty. > > Personally I am not a big fan of whitebox servers. I have found that you do not > save as much money to justify the loss of added extras. The HP/Compaq servers > extra software is especially a plus. Being able to configure a RAID array online > is a plus. The last whitebox servers I came across all had to be done in the > adapters config utility, requiring a reboot and downtime. The one feature I like > most about these Compaq DL servers is I have 99% uptime, except for when I have > to move the server or something. > > I would stay away from IBM servers. They tend to be a lot more expensive without > really justifying the cost. Recently we got for a client an IBM server that cost > about $2600. The comparable HP model was $1800, unfortunately we needed a server > with 2 standard PCI slots for older Dialogic cards. The RAID configuration > software was a joke. > > Worst situations with a server is having to shutdown or reboot just to re-build > a drive. I have had a few drives go bad in me, but never once lost downtime, > something I can not say for a couple of the whitebox type servers we have had in > the past (the kind you would get at General Nanosys). It was for that reason we > replaced everything with DL380s. Even replaced a dual 2Ghz server with a dual > 733mhz and couldn't be more happy with the result. > > Anyways, take a look at http://www.nautilusnet.com/. This is the company I have > purchased 99% of all my server parts from. Very dependable, reliable company. > Another is http://www.computerresale.com/. I have heard positive things from > other brokers about them, but yet to ever purchase from them directly. > > One local company here is www.Serverworlds.com. > > If you do narrow down a specific type/model of server let me know and I will > search the broker networks for a good deal. I know you probably would like the > convenience of purchasing locally, but sadly Minnesota has some really bad > prices compared to elsewhere around the US. > > I would avoid Ebay in general though. The prices are not low enough to warrant > the hassle and frustration of potentially getting screwed. Especially since most > sellers sell "as is" with no warranty. > > Sean Waite > swaite@sbn-services.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: greg wm > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:35:17 -0600 > Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? > >>hi tcluggers, >> >>i'm ready to drop some $ for 2 simple servers, no m$ software, could be >>custom built, could be stock metal. general nanosystems seems good but >>i haven't really become acquainted around town that much yet. >> >>where would you buy your metal? why? >> >>tia, >>greg >> >>Greg Whitley Mott >>IT Coordinator >>NonviolentPeaceforce.org From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sat Nov 12 16:19:09 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sat Nov 12 16:20:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router In-Reply-To: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Dave Carlson wrote: > On Saturday 12 November 2005 12:47, Mike Miller wrote: >> I'm calling this OT because it isn't a Linux question, but it is a >> computer question and there are some unixy elements to it. > > Your Linksys (WRT54G/WRT54GS) runs linux and iptables - and is probably > the barrier - so it's not that far off. > >> I cannot connect to the PC via VNC, but I also cannot ping it. On the >> other hand, traceroute from outside the network finds it OK. On the PC >> I see this kind of info from ipconfig /all: > > Are you talking about connecting to inside VNC from the outside world? > You _definitely_ shouldn't be able to do that without some configuring. > You have to go to Applications/Gaming, and open up your vnc port (often > 5900/tcp) to the machine you want to use. Off of that, the router sets > up Destination NAT. Thanks, Dave. Yes, I am talking about connecting to inside VNC from the rest of the world. How do I "go to Applications/Gaming"? Is that on the Windows PC or on the router? Thanks, Mike From swaite at sbn-services.com Sat Nov 12 23:01:40 2005 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Sat Nov 12 23:02:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router In-Reply-To: References: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: I think you need to go to port 8080, i.e. http://192.168.1.1:8080. It seems that Linksys's website is down at the moment, but they do have user guides in PDF format. Sean Waite -----Original Message----- From: Mike Miller To: Sean Waite Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:39:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Sean Waite wrote: > > > First you would have to open up the Linksys to allow access via ports. > > > I can't find my manual and the web is full of confusing message. I > thought I was to http to 192.168.1.1, but that doesn't work. Any clues? > > Thanks for your help! > > Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 13 00:48:22 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sun Nov 13 00:50:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router In-Reply-To: References: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Sean Waite wrote: > I think you need to go to port 8080, i.e. http://192.168.1.1:8080. It > seems that Linksys's website is down at the moment, but they do have > user guides in PDF format. Thanks. I found the manual on Amazon.com, and it tells me to do this in my browser: http://192.168.1.1 Unfortunately, that doesn't work! That's a little surprising to me. I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Is it possible that someone got into it and messed it up? I should probably reset it and see what happens. Well, thanks to everyone for the help. I think I can see the source of my problem now and I'll try to fix it. Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 13 01:11:16 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sun Nov 13 01:12:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] making connection despite cable modem and Linksys router In-Reply-To: References: <200511121343.41491.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Mike Miller wrote: > http://192.168.1.1 > > Unfortunately, that doesn't work! That's a little surprising to me. > I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Is it possible that someone got into > it and messed it up? I should probably reset it and see what happens. Yes, resetting it worked. It may have been corrupted somehow. Sorry that it was tricky because of this bug. After resetting, I followed Dave Carlson's suggestions and it worked fine. Mike From wylnewland at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 14:58:50 2005 From: wylnewland at gmail.com (Wyl Newland) Date: Sun Nov 13 15:00:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vendor recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: <4374D655.8000306@greatlakedata.com> <4374F1AD.3000500@gmail.com> <4374F35B.6050606@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <15eea7320511131258y68405a43gfa161628c38aa50@mail.gmail.com> A while back I picked up some Sun Netra 1U servers on Ebay. On 11/11/05, Sean Waite wrote: > Depends on what line of Sun servers you priced out. One thing to keep in mind, From sfertch at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 21:33:07 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sun Nov 13 21:34:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't find root filesystem after system restore Message-ID: <67f3084a0511131933u3e5bc30ao4e701d8c5c79a82e@mail.gmail.com> I'm attempting to restore a server from a tar backup of filesystems, but have encountered an error on system bootup post restore. Backup information- Have the following information in flat files: sfdisk output df -k vgdisplay -v vg00 The following filesytems were tarred to a remote server: / /usr /var /opt Disk partions are as follows: /dev/hda1 - Linux /dev/hda2 - Swap /dev/hda3 - Linux /dev/hda4 - Linux LVM Restore procedure: -Boot from RHELv3 cd#1 -type in "linux rescue" at prompt -enable networking -Do not search for old filesystems -Repartition drive # sfdisk /dev/hda < hda.out -Run a vgscan # vgscan -Create physical volume # pvcreate /dev/hda4 -Create volume group # vgcreate -s 4 /dev/vg00 /dev/hda4 -Create Logical Volumes # lvcreate -l -n vg00 -Format partitions and logical volumes # mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 # mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda3 # mkfs.ext3 /dev/vg00/ -Create top level restore directory # mkdir /restore -Mount root partition # mount /dev/hda3 -t ext3 /restore -Change directories # cd /restore -Restore the data from remote server # ssh -n -l -C "/bin/cat /backupdir/root.tgz" | tar zxpvf - -Mount remaining filesystems to be restored # mount /dev/hda1 -t ext3 /restore/boot # mount /dev/vg00/ -t ext3 /restore/ -Restore the remaining data # ssh -n -l -C "/bin/cat /backupdir/.tgz" | tar zxpvf - -Enter a chroot jail # chroot /restore -Install grub # grub-install /dev/hda # exit -Reboot the system On reboot, GRUB loads and shows the correct kernel. After the timeout period, it begins to load until it tries to mount the root filesystem. Below is the last few lines of the boot process before it errors out: --------------------------------------- Creating block devices Creating root device mkrootdev: label / not found Mounting root filesystem Mount: error 2 mounting ext3 pivotroot: pivot_root (/sysroot,/sysroot/initrd) failed 2 umount /initrd/proc failed:2 Freeing unused kernel memory: 164k freed kernel panic: no init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. ------------------------------------------------ Any help on this would be appreciated! Thanks. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051113/b635f47c/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 12:45:20 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Nov 14 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Can't find root filesystem after system restore In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0511131933u3e5bc30ao4e701d8c5c79a82e@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0511131933u3e5bc30ao4e701d8c5c79a82e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0511141045t12669252ub89299f046ec5c80@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/05, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > I'm attempting to restore a server from a tar backup of filesystems, but > have encountered an error on system bootup post restore. > > Backup information- > Have the following information in flat files: > sfdisk output > df -k > vgdisplay -v vg00 > The following filesytems were tarred to a remote server: > / > /usr > /var > /opt > > Disk partions are as follows: > /dev/hda1 - Linux > /dev/hda2 - Swap > /dev/hda3 - Linux > /dev/hda4 - Linux LVM > > > Restore procedure: > -Boot from RHELv3 cd#1 > -type in "linux rescue" at prompt > -enable networking > -Do not search for old filesystems > -Repartition drive > # sfdisk /dev/hda < hda.out > -Run a vgscan > # vgscan > -Create physical volume > # pvcreate /dev/hda4 > -Create volume group > # vgcreate -s 4 /dev/vg00 /dev/hda4 > -Create Logical Volumes > # lvcreate -l -n vg00 > -Format partitions and logical volumes > # mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 > # mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda3 > # mkfs.ext3 /dev/vg00/ > -Create top level restore directory > # mkdir /restore > -Mount root partition > # mount /dev/hda3 -t ext3 /restore > -Change directories > # cd /restore > -Restore the data from remote server > # ssh -n -l -C "/bin/cat /backupdir/root.tgz" | tar > zxpvf - > -Mount remaining filesystems to be restored > # mount /dev/hda1 -t ext3 /restore/boot > # mount /dev/vg00/ -t ext3 /restore/ > -Restore the remaining data > # ssh -n -l -C "/bin/cat /backupdir/.tgz" | > tar zxpvf - > -Enter a chroot jail > # chroot /restore > -Install grub > # grub-install /dev/hda > # exit > -Reboot the system > > > On reboot, GRUB loads and shows the correct kernel. After the timeout > period, it begins to load until it tries to mount the root filesystem. Below > is the last few lines of the boot process before it errors out: > --------------------------------------- > Creating block devices > Creating root device > mkrootdev: label / not found > Mounting root filesystem > Mount: error 2 mounting ext3 > pivotroot: pivot_root (/sysroot,/sysroot/initrd) failed 2 > umount /initrd/proc failed:2 > Freeing unused kernel memory: 164k freed > kernel panic: no init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > ------------------------------------------------ > Thought I'd post up a possible resolution to my e-mail... It appears as if the reason why it's not booting is that the partitions aren't labeled. I modified the grub.conf and fstab to reflect the devices (/dev/hda3 and /dev/hda1) and the system booted. Once I ran the following commands: e2label /dev/hda1 /boot e2label /dev/hda3 / Then restored the fstab and grub.conf file to it's original state, it booted as normal. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051114/6bb36e5b/attachment.htm From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 14 13:21:18 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Nov 14 13:22:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Cyrus issues In-Reply-To: <200505281654.j4SGsJMI001791@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200505281654.j4SGsJMI001791@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <46227.192.28.2.52.1131996078.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Well I was a bonehead this weekend and trashed my server. I just use it for personal e-mail and a tiny web site for me and my wife. I cooked a CPU upgrade (mmmmm, hot chips!) and corrupted the hard drive enough so that the system won't boot into runlevel 5, and it won't run for long in runlevel 3. But, I've moved the drive to an enclosure, and built a new FC4 server, and most things are working. Cyrus seems to be working as an IMAP4 server. SMTP sends mail out. But, I can't seem to get a list of mail folders or create new ones correctly. I've run reconstruct (the Cyrus db checker) with no help. Thunderbird sends messages, but hangs at copying message to Sent folder. Ideas for next steps are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Schumann From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 14 13:24:08 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Nov 14 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Cyrus issues Message-ID: <62817.192.28.2.52.1131996248.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> I forgot to mention that I copied over a few key configuration files from the old drive to the new server. Files like sendmail.mc, imap.conf, and so on. I'm getting a message from Thunderbird: You have received an invalid certificate. Please contact the server administrator or email correspondent and give them the following information: Your certificate contains the same serial number as another certificate issued by the certificate authority. Please get a new certificate containing a unique serial number. -------- Original Message -------- Well I was a bonehead this weekend and trashed my server. I just use it for personal e-mail and a tiny web site for me and my wife. I cooked a CPU upgrade (mmmmm, hot chips!) and corrupted the hard drive enough so that the system won't boot into runlevel 5, and it won't run for long in runlevel 3. But, I've moved the drive to an enclosure, and built a new FC4 server, and most things are working. Cyrus seems to be working as an IMAP4 server. SMTP sends mail out. But, I can't seem to get a list of mail folders or create new ones correctly. I've run reconstruct (the Cyrus db checker) with no help. Thunderbird sends messages, but hangs at copying message to Sent folder. Ideas for next steps are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Schumann From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 13:36:40 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Nov 14 13:42:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Cyrus issues In-Reply-To: <62817.192.28.2.52.1131996248.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <62817.192.28.2.52.1131996248.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: On 11/14/05, Chris Schumann wrote: > I forgot to mention that I copied over a few key configuration files from > the old drive to the new server. Files like sendmail.mc, imap.conf, and so > on. > > I'm getting a message from Thunderbird: You have received an invalid > certificate. Please contact the server administrator or email > correspondent and give them the following information: > > Your certificate contains the same serial number as another certificate > issued by the certificate authority. Please get a new certificate > containing a unique serial number. Are you trying to access your mail via imap-ssl? If so, try accessing over vanilla imap. Looks like cyrus's ssl cert may be invalid. Did you copy the cert over from your old machine? From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 14 15:07:17 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Nov 14 15:08:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Cyrus etc fixed Message-ID: <42960.192.28.2.52.1132002437.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Never mind. I just had to set up my mailboxes properly. Chris From adam at askewview.net Mon Nov 14 18:28:08 2005 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Nov 14 18:28:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS question Message-ID: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> So I'm looking at switching ISPs for my DSL line. That of course means I'll be having to change IPs. I run my own web/email/dns server off of this connection. Its the primary DNS server for a few domains I have. I'm wondering what the best way of transitioning from one network to the other would be. From brockn at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 18:55:26 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Nov 14 18:56:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS question In-Reply-To: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb80511141655l28ae490fq5412e2c4a6848692@mail.gmail.com> Before the switch, couldn't you just turn the cache time on the domains to something like 10 seconds? Then after the switch move it back up. I only throw this out as an option because if your running it on a DSL connection, it probaly does not get a ton of traffic and thus it probaly won't kill your DNS server. As far as dealing with the outage while your waiting for your domain registrar, I don't know... Brock On 11/14/05, Adam wrote: > So I'm looking at switching ISPs for my DSL line. That of course means > I'll be having to change IPs. > > I run my own web/email/dns server off of this connection. Its the > primary DNS server for a few domains I have. I'm wondering what the best > way of transitioning from one network to the other would be. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Nov 14 19:01:11 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Nov 14 19:03:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS question In-Reply-To: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> Message-ID: <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> Adam wrote: > So I'm looking at switching ISPs for my DSL line. That of course means > I'll be having to change IPs. > > I run my own web/email/dns server off of this connection. Its the > primary DNS server for a few domains I have. I'm wondering what the best > way of transitioning from one network to the other would be. > It's likely not going to be a seamless transition, unless you're going to have 2 DSL connections running at the same time. You'll just have to change your name server with your registrar once you get your new IP. This will mean your web and email will be out for a couple days, email should queue up at the sender side, so that won't be an issue, long as you don't mind your web server being down. Alternatively, you could sign up for a virtual linux host, Real-Time has them as well as many others, and use that as your primary mail/web host during the transition. You could also use it as your primary/secondary mail host and your home connection as your secondary/primary, thus giving a little redundancy. HTH, Josh From gsker at comcast.net Mon Nov 14 20:07:36 2005 From: gsker at comcast.net (Gerry) Date: Mon Nov 14 20:08:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub Boot Loader Gone after Windows Update Message-ID: I have SUSE 10 installed on a Dell GX260. I also boot to WindowsXP. After the latest "windows update" happened (malicious software removal) the machine booted to briefly display "stage 1.5" and then rebooted again (over and over...) Booting the SUSE CD 1 and repairing the boot loader fixes it, but the next time I boot to XP (time to quit doing that, eh?) it wipes it out again. The exact same thing happened to my coworker with the same setup (but on a GX270). I'm unable to figure out what gets run nor why it happens over and over. No hints on google. Has anyone else been seeing this? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@skerbitz.org From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 21:06:18 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Nov 14 21:06:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub Boot Loader Gone after Windows Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/05, Gerry wrote: > > I have SUSE 10 installed on a Dell GX260. I also boot to WindowsXP. > > After the latest "windows update" happened (malicious software removal) > the > machine booted to briefly display "stage 1.5" and then rebooted again > (over > and over...) > > Booting the SUSE CD 1 and repairing the boot loader fixes it, but the next > time I boot to XP (time to quit doing that, eh?) it wipes it out again. > The exact same thing happened to my coworker with the same setup (but on a > GX270). I'm unable to figure out what gets run nor why it happens over and > over. No hints on google. > > Has anyone else been seeing this? > I just told it to not change the boot loader, and it seemed to be okay. Might want to look in your preferences and see if you can tell it to ignore the changes on the bootsector. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051114/f666d67a/attachment.htm From drue at therub.org Mon Nov 14 21:35:30 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Nov 14 21:36:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS question In-Reply-To: <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20051115033530.GY27437@therub.org> On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 07:01:11PM -0600, Josh Welch wrote: > Adam wrote: > >So I'm looking at switching ISPs for my DSL line. That of course means > >I'll be having to change IPs. > > > >I run my own web/email/dns server off of this connection. Its the > >primary DNS server for a few domains I have. I'm wondering what the best > >way of transitioning from one network to the other would be. > > > > It's likely not going to be a seamless transition, unless you're going > to have 2 DSL connections running at the same time. You'll just have to > change your name server with your registrar once you get your new IP. > This will mean your web and email will be out for a couple days, email > should queue up at the sender side, so that won't be an issue, long as > you don't mind your web server being down. > > Alternatively, you could sign up for a virtual linux host, Real-Time has > them as well as many others, and use that as your primary mail/web > host during the transition. You could also use it as your > primary/secondary mail host and your home connection as your > secondary/primary, thus giving a little redundancy. If you set up your DNS elsewhere - and there's lots of free options available like everydns.net.. Then you could have it changed at the registrar in advance, with a low TTL on the records. If you did that, you could limit your downtime to a matter of minutes (or the amount of time it takes you to fix any "accidents" qwest makes). The other thing is, I recall they removed the 24h transition time in changing your DNS records at the registrar. It's really quick now (not sure I can give an estimate, but not more than a couple hours). Of course you still have to make sure your TTLs are low. Dan From bhartm at visi.com Mon Nov 14 22:07:57 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Mon Nov 14 22:06:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43795F1D.5010302@visi.com> Just say I need a plain ol' power supply for a Dell Dimension and I have the bad one in hand. Then say I need to get a replacement today. Then I tell ya that I typically go to general nano or [mu]Center, but I'm time constrained near Portland Ave and Lake St. (pretend I have to ride my bike!) If anyone has a recommendation, I'm all eyes. TIA! From florin at iucha.net Mon Nov 14 23:49:05 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Nov 14 23:49:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <43795F1D.5010302@visi.com> References: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> <43795F1D.5010302@visi.com> Message-ID: <20051115054905.GA20443@iucha.net> On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 10:07:57PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote: > Just say I need a plain ol' power supply for a Dell Dimension and I have > the bad one in hand. > Then say I need to get a replacement today. > Then I tell ya that I typically go to general nano or [mu]Center, but > I'm time constrained near Portland Ave and Lake St. (pretend I have to > ride my bike!) > If anyone has a recommendation, I'm all eyes. TIA! Make sure you get a Dell Power Supply. Or an ATX-to-DELL adapter. Dell has an extremely devious tactic of using physically-compatible but electrically incompatible ATX 20-pin-like mobo power supply connector. If you plug in a straight ATX PSU sparks will happen. Be careful! florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051114/50d82077/attachment.pgp From bhartm at visi.com Tue Nov 15 00:52:00 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Tue Nov 15 00:50:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <20051115054905.GA20443@iucha.net> References: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> <43795F1D.5010302@visi.com> <20051115054905.GA20443@iucha.net> Message-ID: <43798590.3000400@visi.com> Florin Iucha wrote: >On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 10:07:57PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote: > > >>Just say I need a plain ol' power supply for a Dell Dimension and I have >>the bad one in hand. >>Then say I need to get a replacement today. >>Then I tell ya that I typically go to general nano or [mu]Center, but >>I'm time constrained near Portland Ave and Lake St. (pretend I have to >>ride my bike!) >>If anyone has a recommendation, I'm all eyes. TIA! >> >> > >Make sure you get a Dell Power Supply. Or an ATX-to-DELL adapter. > >Dell has an extremely devious tactic of using physically-compatible >but electrically incompatible ATX 20-pin-like mobo power supply >connector. If you plug in a straight ATX PSU sparks will happen. > >Be careful! > >florin > > > Yeeikes! Seriously? It's not my peecee, so that's good to know. I suppose you're willing to sell me said adapter at a bargain rate... (yep, yep, sarcasm. Easy now. No, no, chill. easy. hey.) Can anyone corroborate this and/or answer my question? I guess general nano is not outrageously far from there. From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue Nov 15 08:48:35 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Nov 15 08:50:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS question In-Reply-To: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Adam wrote: > So I'm looking at switching ISPs for my DSL line. That of course means > I'll be having to change IPs. > > I run my own web/email/dns server off of this connection. Its the > primary DNS server for a few domains I have. I'm wondering what the best > way of transitioning from one network to the other would be. You could sign up for one of the free secondary DNS services (ie, http://puck.nether.net/dns/), which will remain up while you cut your line over.. once your secondary line is up, update the IP that the secondary DNS server slaves from, and anyone doing DNS queries will time out on your primary server (until the registrar change goes in), and will query the secondary server, which should now have correct information. Just make sure to drop your TTL's a few days in advance, so people won't have your old IP's cached. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Nov 15 09:27:35 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Nov 15 09:28:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <200511150711.jAF7Bf9u007652@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200511150711.jAF7Bf9u007652@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <39621.192.28.2.52.1132068455.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:07:57 -0600 > From: Bob Hartmann > I'm time constrained near Portland Ave and Lake St. (pretend I have to > ride my bike!) Que Computers has lots of new and used parts. 26th and 26th. Count me a happy customer. http://www.quecomputers.com You might want to take a bus in this weather. From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 10:16:20 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Tue Nov 15 10:16:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub Boot Loader Gone after Windows Update In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a0511141906g2b6194b6ieaeaff932a6a5ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0511150816o3f1019bsbe62208a46319cf4@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Gerry wrote: > > Preferences for what? > You told what to not change the boot loader? > There aren't configurations for the windows update are there? > The Malicious Software Removal Tool runs in the background as far as I can > tell... > I don't remember much about it. Only that the Malicious software finder found a change on my boot sector and it asked if it was an expected change. I clicked the button to say that it was, and haven't had any problems since then. This was all in a pop-up window that appears on the right lower corner of the screen. As to preferences, I'm speculating more than anything as I haven't dug into it that far because it's just been working for me. Sorry, don't have any other information I can offer you on that. Have you googled for some info, or hit up SuSe's website? -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051115/6d31171d/attachment.htm From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Nov 15 10:54:30 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net) Date: Tue Nov 15 10:54:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? Message-ID: <111520051654.5354.437A12C6000D4A8A000014EA22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the 20 pin mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with that inside of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are exactly the same. So unless Dell is using a different color code for their power supplies, any ATX compatible power supply should work in a Dell PC. Just my $0.02. -- ---- ------ Todd Young > Florin Iucha wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 10:07:57PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote: > > > > > >>Just say I need a plain ol' power supply for a Dell Dimension and I have > >>the bad one in hand. > >>Then say I need to get a replacement today. > >>Then I tell ya that I typically go to general nano or [mu]Center, but > >>I'm time constrained near Portland Ave and Lake St. (pretend I have to > >>ride my bike!) > >>If anyone has a recommendation, I'm all eyes. TIA! > >> > >> > > > >Make sure you get a Dell Power Supply. Or an ATX-to-DELL adapter. > > > >Dell has an extremely devious tactic of using physically-compatible > >but electrically incompatible ATX 20-pin-like mobo power supply > >connector. If you plug in a straight ATX PSU sparks will happen. > > > >Be careful! > > > >florin > > > > > > > Yeeikes! Seriously? It's not my peecee, so that's good to know. > I suppose you're willing to sell me said adapter at a bargain rate... > (yep, yep, sarcasm. Easy now. No, no, chill. easy. hey.) > Can anyone corroborate this and/or answer my question? > I guess general nano is not outrageously far from there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 15 11:23:27 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:24:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <111520051654.5354.437A12C6000D4A8A000014EA22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <111520051654.5354.437A12C6000D4A8A000014EA22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20051115172327.GB20443@iucha.net> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 04:54:30PM +0000, auditodd@comcast.net wrote: > I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the 20 pin mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with that inside of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are exactly the same. So unless Dell is using a different color code for their power supplies, any ATX compatible power supply should work in a Dell PC. IANAEE but when I wanted to replace the power supply in my Poweredge 1400 SC I have talked to people at endpcnoise.com and pcpower&cooling they both told me that a standard ATX PSU will not work. Endpcnoise is still selling an adapter: http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/dellconverter.html florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051115/833f6ee6/attachment.pgp From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Nov 15 11:24:15 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:25:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family Message-ID: My wife is from Quito, Ecuador, and her (far from wealthy) parents, siblings and their kids still live there. We would like to buy computers for them and I'm trying to come up with a good way to do this such that: (1) The computers will be respectable, current machines, (2) they won't cost too much money, and (3) shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. I will be going to Ecuador one of these days and I think I'll bring parts with me and assemble the machines there (probably 4 or 5 of them). I'm hoping that I can buy main boards, drives and such here, but buy the cases and monitors in Quito. I think I can fit the parts into a carry-on bag and thereby avoid any S/H costs. Any thoughts on that plan? The next issue is software. I would love for them to run Linux or a dual boot system. Everything has to be in Spanish. Do all Linux OSs allow for Spanish language installations? Same for Windows XP? If I could set them up with Linux only, they might not be happy. Any views on this? I think some of them would be fine -- email, web, word processing -- but the users who want to get into downloading photos from a digital camera or doing video editing might have some trouble. What do you think? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. I'm not sure when I'll actually do this, maybe this summer, but I wanted to start planning now. Best, Mike From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 11:43:29 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:44:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <111520051654.5354.437A12C6000D4A8A000014EA22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <111520051654.5354.437A12C6000D4A8A000014EA22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <437A1E41.7090104@gmail.com> auditodd@comcast.net wrote: > I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the 20 pin mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with that inside of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are exactly the same. So unless Dell is using a different color code for their power supplies, any ATX compatible power supply should work in a Dell PC. > > Just my $0.02. > > -- > ---- > ------ > Todd Young > I didn't know this until today.. but it does seem to be documented in quite a few places: http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339053 Good to know... Dan From smac at visi.com Tue Nov 15 11:45:23 2005 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:46:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1132076723.437a1eb3ebd02@my.visi.com> Check to be sure the device(s) can be exported to Ecuador! If you get caught with a chip that can't be sent outside the USA you could have a real problem. (department of homeland security) Most computer parts come from non-US sources anyway, buy the parts in Ecuador and help their economy. Sam. Quoting Mike Miller : > My wife is from Quito, Ecuador, and her (far from wealthy) parents, > siblings and their kids still live there. We would like to buy computers > for them and I'm trying to come up with a good way to do this such that: > > (1) The computers will be respectable, current machines, > (2) they won't cost too much money, and > (3) shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. > > I will be going to Ecuador one of these days and I think I'll bring parts > with me and assemble the machines there (probably 4 or 5 of them). I'm > hoping that I can buy main boards, drives and such here, but buy the cases > and monitors in Quito. I think I can fit the parts into a carry-on bag > and thereby avoid any S/H costs. > > Any thoughts on that plan? > > The next issue is software. I would love for them to run Linux or a dual > boot system. Everything has to be in Spanish. Do all Linux OSs allow for > Spanish language installations? Same for Windows XP? > > If I could set them up with Linux only, they might not be happy. Any > views on this? I think some of them would be fine -- email, web, word > processing -- but the users who want to get into downloading photos from a > digital camera or doing video editing might have some trouble. What do > you think? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. I'm not sure when I'll > actually do this, maybe this summer, but I wanted to start planning now. > > Best, > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Nov 15 11:54:02 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:54:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? Message-ID: <111520051754.3474.437A20BA00020F2900000D9222007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> HOLY SH*T! Good to know. I stand corrected. -- ---- ------ Todd Young > auditodd@comcast.net wrote: > > I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the 20 pin > mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with that inside > of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are exactly the same. So > unless Dell is using a different color code for their power supplies, any ATX > compatible power supply should work in a Dell PC. > > > > Just my $0.02. > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------ > > Todd Young > > > > I didn't know this until today.. but it does seem to be documented in > quite a few places: > > http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339053 > > Good to know... > > Dan From scotjenkins at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 12:08:57 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Tue Nov 15 12:11:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/15/05, Mike Miller wrote: > My wife is from Quito, Ecuador, and her (far from wealthy) parents, > siblings and their kids still live there. We would like to buy computers > for them and I'm trying to come up with a good way to do this such that: > > (1) The computers will be respectable, current machines, > (2) they won't cost too much money, and > (3) shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. > > I will be going to Ecuador one of these days and I think I'll bring parts > with me and assemble the machines there (probably 4 or 5 of them). I'm > hoping that I can buy main boards, drives and such here, but buy the cases > and monitors in Quito. I think I can fit the parts into a carry-on bag > and thereby avoid any S/H costs. Have fun going through airport security. I've been hassled before just carrying a bunch of ethernet cables. You'll probably be best to ship a complete system or purchase it locally once you are there. Have you considered just ordering from a vendor, like Dell or IBM? The machines would have a warranty and support for when you're not there. I don't know if they ship to foreign countries but I'm sure a quick call to them would provide an answer. > The next issue is software. I would love for them to run Linux or a dual > boot system. Everything has to be in Spanish. Do all Linux OSs allow for > Spanish language installations? Same for Windows XP? I think several Linux distros have supported installs in foreign languages for quite some time. I seem to remember someone at an installfest installing RedHat and selecting "redneck" as the default language. I'm fairly certain most current distros will support and install using Spanish. I'm fairly certain you can install Windows using a different language too. Google for the answer... Before buying new, consider recycled hardware. Most people's needs (email, web surfing, word processing, finances, etc.) don't require bleeding edge hardware. You could find some very servicable PII or PIII class systems that folks are "throwing out". For example, Win2k runs respectibly well on an old PII-350Mhz w/256M RAM, and Linux (of course) is blazingly fast. You could check MPC for reclaimed/recycled hardware: http://www.materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html Another concern would be the A/C power. Check to see what voltage and style of plugs they use in Ecuador before you invest anything. The world doesn't operate on 120V like we do here. This might be another good reason to order systems specifically for that country or to purchase them locally. Sure you can get adapters, but that will only be a hassle and you'll need lots of them. Good luck. Scot From jack at jacku.com Tue Nov 15 13:17:55 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:20:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096.66.41.169.53.1132082275.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> On Tue, November 15, 2005 11:24 am, Mike Miller wrote: > The next issue is software. I would love for them to run Linux or a dual > boot system. Everything has to be in Spanish. Do all Linux OSs allow for > Spanish language installations? Same for Windows XP? > > If I could set them up with Linux only, they might not be happy. Any > views on this? I think some of them would be fine -- email, web, word > processing -- but the users who want to get into downloading photos from a > digital camera or doing video editing might have some trouble. What do > you think? I agree with the others on the hardware issue. Check for local vendors. All of the major systems makers will have a South or Latin America division. For Linux you may want to look at Mandriva. Since Connectiva was/is based in Brazil they were focused on the South American market. I don't know if that carries over to the new Mandriva distro but I would suspect yes. Otherwise all the software that you would install on a Linux system should be localized sufficiantly. If you won't have Internet access you may want to grab the localization files for OpenOffice.org ahead of time and take them with you as they aren't always included. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From ai9nl at arrl.net Tue Nov 15 13:40:12 2005 From: ai9nl at arrl.net (Harv Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:40:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Mike Miller wrote: > > My wife is from Quito, Ecuador, and her (far from wealthy) parents, > siblings and their kids still live there. We would like to buy computers > for them and I'm trying to come up with a good way to do this such that: > > (1) The computers will be respectable, current machines, > (2) they won't cost too much money, and > (3) shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. > > I will be going to Ecuador one of these days and I think I'll bring parts > with me and assemble the machines there (probably 4 or 5 of them). I'm > hoping that I can buy main boards, drives and such here, but buy the cases > and monitors in Quito. I think I can fit the parts into a carry-on bag > and thereby avoid any S/H costs. > > Any thoughts on that plan? Several years ago I did such a thing with a friend (a Ham, like me)in Brazil. In the end, after paying duties and "fees" to expedite movement thru customs, it would have been cheaper to buy the machines in downtown Rio. Check with a local consular office before you pack your bags. Often it will be easier and cheaper to bring in a completed machine ... a laptop, for example, as part of your personal effect and "luggage". You may need an "import license" for the component parts that costs as much as the components themselves ... and you haven't paid the duties, yet! NAFTA be damned! The next issue is software. I would love for them to run Linux or a dual > boot system. Everything has to be in Spanish. Do all Linux OSs allow for > Spanish language installations? Same for Windows XP? You'll do just fine with LINUX. Just make sure the the internationalization files are intact ... the major distros have no problem with this. If I could set them up with Linux only, they might not be happy. Any > views on this? I think some of them would be fine -- email, web, word > processing -- but the users who want to get into downloading photos from a > digital camera or doing video editing might have some trouble. What do > you think? I set up a machine for my 84 year old mother ... a first time computer user. She never knew she had anything other than a "Windows" machine until one of her friends asked her "what that KDE dealie is" ... she'd been using it for 3 years at the time. There is very little that Linux won't do these days. You may find that there is more affordable local support in Quito for LINUX than for Windows. Countries like Brazil now mandate the use of Linux in government and schools. Ecuador may be the same Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. I'm not sure when I'll > actually do this, maybe this summer, but I wanted to start planning now. > > Best, > > Mike Likewise, Harv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rwh at visi.com Tue Nov 15 14:03:19 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Nov 15 14:04:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> Harv Nelson wrote: > > > On 11/15/05, *Mike Miller* > wrote: > > My wife is from Quito, Ecuador, and her (far from wealthy) parents, > siblings and their kids still live there. We would like to buy > computers > for them and I'm trying to come up with a good way to do this such that: > > (1) The computers will be respectable, current machines, > (2) they won't cost too much money, and > (3) shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. > > I will be going to Ecuador one of these days and I think I'll bring > parts > with me and assemble the machines there (probably 4 or 5 of them). I'm > hoping that I can buy main boards, drives and such here, but buy the > cases > and monitors in Quito. I think I can fit the parts into a carry-on bag > and thereby avoid any S/H costs. > > Any thoughts on that plan? > > > Several years ago I did such a thing with a friend (a Ham, like me)in > Brazil. In the end, after paying duties and "fees" to expedite movement > thru customs, it would have been cheaper to buy the machines in downtown > Rio. Check with a local consular office before you pack your bags. > Often it will be easier and cheaper to bring in a completed machine ... > a laptop, for example, as part of your personal effect and "luggage". > You may need an "import license" for the component parts that costs as > much as the components themselves ... and you haven't paid the duties, > yet! NAFTA be damned! > NAFTA is just the US, Canada and Mexico so Brazil and Ecuador don't enter the picture, and after the response Bush got in Argentina last week it doesn't look like there'll be a general agreement for South America anytime soon. Just for reference I think the import tariff for Ecuador is in the 20% - 30% range for most goods. I'm certain that its something you'd want to research before you turn up at the border with a suitcase full of motherboards and the likes. I suspect that if Mike calls Dell and tells them what he wants, they can probably give him a price estimate for providing the machines in Ecuador including shipping, VAT, duties, etc. The other option is to call over to Extension on the St Paul campus, or email moren001@umn.edu, and ask him. He is the Ecuadorian Consul here in the Twin Cities - small countries are so cool :-) --rick --rick From rwh at visi.com Tue Nov 15 14:04:58 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Nov 15 14:10:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> Message-ID: <437A3F6A.60307@visi.com> Sorry, I forgot the name and address. --rick http://www.ecuador.org/consulates.htm Juan C Moreno-1, People, U of MN -------------------------------- Name : Juan C Moreno E-mail Address : moren001@umn.edu Internet ID : moren001 Office Address : UM Extension Ofc of Dean and Director Room 454 Cof H 1420 Eckles Ave St Paul, MN 55108 Campus Mail : UM Extension Ofc of Dean and Director Room 454 CofH 6070 1420 Eckles Ave St Paul, MN 55108 Office Phone Number : +1 612-625-5252 Fax : +1 612-624-7749 From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Nov 15 14:30:23 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Nov 15 14:30:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > Harv Nelson wrote: >> >> Several years ago I did such a thing with a friend (a Ham, like me)in >> Brazil. In the end, after paying duties and "fees" to expedite >> movement thru customs, it would have been cheaper to buy the machines >> in downtown Rio. Check with a local consular office before you pack >> your bags. Often it will be easier and cheaper to bring in a completed >> machine ... a laptop, for example, as part of your personal effect and >> "luggage". You may need an "import license" for the component parts >> that costs as much as the components themselves ... and you haven't >> paid the duties, yet! NAFTA be damned! > > NAFTA is just the US, Canada and Mexico so Brazil and Ecuador don't > enter the picture, and after the response Bush got in Argentina last > week it doesn't look like there'll be a general agreement for South > America anytime soon. Just for reference I think the import tariff for > Ecuador is in the 20% - 30% range for most goods. I'm certain that its > something you'd want to research before you turn up at the border with a > suitcase full of motherboards and the likes. I will want to research it, but it seems to me that we bring tons of things to Ecuador all the time without paying import tariffs. Aren't import tariffs for things you plan to sell? The items I'll be bringing over are gifts for relatives. Mike From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Nov 15 15:06:33 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:06:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <200511152027.jAFKRlmn008598@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200511152027.jAFKRlmn008598@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <24450.192.28.2.52.1132088793.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> I will add that a dual boot system means you have to support two systems instead of one. I recommend against it. And that Windows is available in many languages, but you have to buy a specific version, or a multi-language version. The regular version is English only, but will display any language... AFAIK From smac at visi.com Tue Nov 15 15:15:03 2005 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:15:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> Message-ID: <1132089303.437a4fd723a1c@my.visi.com> 1 item is a gift, 2 might be a gift, more then that is more then a gift. Sam. Quoting Mike Miller : > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > > > Harv Nelson wrote: > >> > >> Several years ago I did such a thing with a friend (a Ham, like me)in > >> Brazil. In the end, after paying duties and "fees" to expedite > >> movement thru customs, it would have been cheaper to buy the machines > >> in downtown Rio. Check with a local consular office before you pack > >> your bags. Often it will be easier and cheaper to bring in a completed > >> machine ... a laptop, for example, as part of your personal effect and > >> "luggage". You may need an "import license" for the component parts > >> that costs as much as the components themselves ... and you haven't > >> paid the duties, yet! NAFTA be damned! > > > > NAFTA is just the US, Canada and Mexico so Brazil and Ecuador don't > > enter the picture, and after the response Bush got in Argentina last > > week it doesn't look like there'll be a general agreement for South > > America anytime soon. Just for reference I think the import tariff for > > Ecuador is in the 20% - 30% range for most goods. I'm certain that its > > something you'd want to research before you turn up at the border with a > > suitcase full of motherboards and the likes. > > > I will want to research it, but it seems to me that we bring tons of > things to Ecuador all the time without paying import tariffs. Aren't > import tariffs for things you plan to sell? The items I'll be bringing > over are gifts for relatives. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Nov 15 15:29:28 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:30:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <1132089303.437a4fd723a1c@my.visi.com> References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> <1132089303.437a4fd723a1c@my.visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 smac@visi.com wrote: > 1 item is a gift, 2 might be a gift, more then that is more then a gift. It isn't in my case, but are you saying that there is a law that states that one must pay import duty on a third identical item? If someone knows an official internet source on this, I will definitely read it. As I've said before, my wife and her friends bring many items to Ecuador all the time without paying duty on them. Maybe they are unknowingly smuggling them into the country. I'll have to ask her what she knows about this. Thanks again. Mike From rwh at visi.com Tue Nov 15 16:02:35 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Nov 15 16:05:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: References: <6a470a5f0511151140r7239a5aehe00d13017f089317@mail.gmail.com> <437A3F07.9040103@visi.com> Message-ID: <437A5AFB.7080409@visi.com> Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > >> Harv Nelson wrote: >> >>> >>> Several years ago I did such a thing with a friend (a Ham, like me)in >>> Brazil. In the end, after paying duties and "fees" to expedite >>> movement thru customs, it would have been cheaper to buy the machines >>> in downtown Rio. Check with a local consular office before you pack >>> your bags. Often it will be easier and cheaper to bring in a >>> completed machine ... a laptop, for example, as part of your personal >>> effect and "luggage". You may need an "import license" for the >>> component parts that costs as much as the components themselves ... >>> and you haven't paid the duties, yet! NAFTA be damned! >> >> >> NAFTA is just the US, Canada and Mexico so Brazil and Ecuador don't >> enter the picture, and after the response Bush got in Argentina last >> week it doesn't look like there'll be a general agreement for South >> America anytime soon. Just for reference I think the import tariff for >> Ecuador is in the 20% - 30% range for most goods. I'm certain that its >> something you'd want to research before you turn up at the border with >> a suitcase full of motherboards and the likes. > > > > I will want to research it, but it seems to me that we bring tons of > things to Ecuador all the time without paying import tariffs. Aren't > import tariffs for things you plan to sell? The items I'll be bringing > over are gifts for relatives. > > Mike Tariffs usually apply to commercial transactions but when the gifts you're bringing with you have commercial applications things can be fuzzy. And the flip side is that a lot of countries want you to pay the VAT on items you're planning to leave in the country. The Europeans use to be real pricks about laptops - I had friends who had to post a bond for the VAT when they entered the country to cover the VAT if they didn't have the laptop when they left. I suspect it depends on a lot of stuff that may not be well documented. I think that's true of most countries, not just Ecuador. If you show up with 5 motherboards and an Ecuadorian wife you may well be treated differently than if you showed up alone or if I presented myself to customs with a suitcase full of CPUs and motherboards. I do know that trying to sort things out in customs in most countries is usually a losing proposition. --rick From bhartm at visi.com Wed Nov 16 01:48:50 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Wed Nov 16 01:47:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retail commodity parts in middle Minneapolis? In-Reply-To: <111520051754.3474.437A20BA00020F2900000D9222007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <111520051754.3474.437A20BA00020F2900000D9222007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <437AE462.9020809@visi.com> Well put, T. I am *so* glad I asked this list. Thanks to Florin for catching the detail and everyone else for chiming in. I've set several non-geek friends up with Dells to make life cheap and easy... I should probably get them all little fire extinguishers for x-mas as a reminder to call me for support. I called quecomputers.com this morning inquiring about a Dell specific PS. Neither of the 2 I talked to had heard of this issue. 2 guys at my job were quite familiar. auditodd@comcast.net wrote: >HOLY SH*T! >Good to know. >I stand corrected. > >-- >---- >------ >Todd Young > > > > >>auditodd@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >>>I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the 20 pin >>> >>> >>mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with that inside >>of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are exactly the same. So >>unless Dell is using a different color code for their power supplies, any ATX >>compatible power supply should work in a Dell PC. >> >> >>>Just my $0.02. >>> >>>-- >>>---- >>>------ >>>Todd Young >>> >>> >>> >>I didn't know this until today.. but it does seem to be documented in >>quite a few places: >> >>http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339053 >> >>Good to know... >> >>Dan >> >> > > > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 16 13:19:03 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511161919.jAGJJ3D16977@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 7142 Compaq RACK Relist. 7142 42U Computer rack, with Side panels, front and back doors, working lock w/key. Very good condition. First $500.00 takes it, OBO Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 16 13:22:22 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:23:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511161922.jAGJMMN17739@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: XioTech Magnitude Older Xiotech Magnitude, complete except for front door, includes UPS and management PC. 24 50gb hard drives included, 23 KNOWN good when removed from service. Best Offer Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 16 13:36:47 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:40:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511161936.jAGJalW18526@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 2 post TELCO rack cleaning garage, wife wants more car space BO takes it. happy to trade/barter for other geeky stuff. Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From tclug at beitsahour.net Wed Nov 16 14:34:52 2005 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed Nov 16 14:37:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <437A5AFB.7080409@visi.com> References: <437A5AFB.7080409@visi.com> Message-ID: <200511161434.57511.tclug@beitsahour.net> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 16:02, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I suspect it depends on a lot of stuff that may not be well documented. > I think that's true of most countries, not just Ecuador. If you show up > with 5 motherboards and an Ecuadorian wife you may well be treated > differently than if you showed up alone or if I presented myself to > customs with a suitcase full of CPUs and motherboards. I do know that > trying to sort things out in customs in most countries is usually a > losing proposition. obviously you never learned how to talk softly and how to carry a big stack of greenbacks. In most countries where most people make less in a week than what you make an hour you will find that a friend here and a twenty there goes a VERY long way. That cop who pulled you over because you (ran a red light|didnt use a turn signal|had a seat belt ON) didnt do it because he was being good at his job, he did it because he was out of cigarettes and you looked like an easy target (aka rich dumb foreigner*) That customs official who takes a personal interest and walks with you every step of the way making sure that there are no snags just wants to give you a chance to express your gratitude. preferably if it is alcoholic and comes in a glass bottle. I have never been to Ecuador so your milage may vary. I am also not a lawyer, if you get your nuts cut off trying the above, oops, not my fault. It is important to know people who know what is going on, those know what you can and cannot get away with. * you may not consider yourself rich, but you traveled to another country. on a plane. for fun. For a great many people in the world that defines rich. -- Munir Nassar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051116/e88a2bff/attachment.pgp From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Wed Nov 16 14:56:35 2005 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Wed Nov 16 14:55:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <200511161434.57511.tclug@beitsahour.net> References: <437A5AFB.7080409@visi.com> <200511161434.57511.tclug@beitsahour.net> Message-ID: <200511161456.35399.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Wednesday 16 November 2005 14:34, Munir Nassar wrote: > I have never been to Ecuador so your milage may vary. > I am also not a lawyer, if you get your nuts cut off trying the above, > oops, not my fault. That's what we love about you Munir, your knack for diplomacy. -- Samir M. Nassar SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Wed Nov 16 16:29:59 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:33:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] environment variables In-Reply-To: <20051115033530.GY27437@therub.org> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> <20051115033530.GY27437@therub.org> Message-ID: <1132180199.12465.247687883@webmail.messagingengine.com> I wrote a shell script that toggles my keyboard mapping in my X session between us and dvorak using setxkbmap. I run it through a button I created on my desktop panel. I originally tried exporting an environment variable to use as the toggle flag but then found out that changes to the variable are not carried over to parent shells (duh!) thus making my script worthless. To solve this I created a file that contains one line, namely the toggle value and I read the value with the command: CURMAP=`cat file` I then check that value to figure whether I should set the keyboard to us or dvorak. I then overwrite the file with the new value. Since I don't have much experience shell scripting I guess there must be a better way of doing this (namely without file i/o) and am wondering if anyone can give me any tips as to how a real shell guru might accomplish this task. From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 16:57:13 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:57:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] computers for Ecuadorian family In-Reply-To: <200511161456.35399.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> References: <437A5AFB.7080409@visi.com> <200511161434.57511.tclug@beitsahour.net> <200511161456.35399.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: If you can find a local vendor, that's probably your best bet. I've worked with Dell's Latin America division, and yes they do have representatives that speak English (accented, but better English than the India tech support guys.) The obvious advantages are not having to deal with import tariffs, and your hardware support is automatically handled by the proper world wide division, in the proper language, and any software that comes with the machine has the proper language for the region, or whatever language you request. I had them quote me the Spanish language OS on the clients for example, but English on the server as I would be supporting the server remotely. Dunno if what works for a business enviorment is what you need for personal, but going that route made my life much easier. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Nov 16 18:17:26 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Nov 16 18:19:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] environment variables In-Reply-To: <1132180199.12465.247687883@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> <20051115033530.GY27437@therub.org> <1132180199.12465.247687883@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Isaac Atilano wrote: > I wrote a shell script that toggles my keyboard mapping in my X session > between us and dvorak using setxkbmap. I run it through a button I > created on my desktop panel. I originally tried exporting an environment > variable to use as the toggle flag but then found out that changes to > the variable are not carried over to parent shells (duh!) thus making my > script worthless. To solve this I created a file that contains one > line, namely the toggle value and I read the value with the command: > CURMAP=`cat file` > I then check that value to figure whether I should set the keyboard to > us or dvorak. > I then overwrite the file with the new value. If you use a script to change an environment variable, it will be changed only within the subshell of the script and it will not change the environment from which you called the script. You need to use an alias. Put this line in your .bashrc: alias curmap="CURMAP=value" Just put your value in there instead of "value." Then when you enter "curmap" (without the quotes), it will sent your environment variable. I can't see how anything will carry to *parent* shells. Your script won't do it and neither will this. Mike From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 20:30:01 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed Nov 16 20:31:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Identifying hardware components in Linux Message-ID: <47f4d5e70511161830p7ba683c8j39ba694adfe79f2e@mail.gmail.com> Is there something similar in scope in Linux as Belarc Advisor in Windows? Belarc Advisor will identify pretty much every hardware component and tell you things like the make and model of your mainboard, BIOS version etc. I tried digging through /proc with no luck. Anybody know of a comparable package or group of packages? -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 16 22:05:41 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed Nov 16 22:07:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Identifying hardware components in Linux In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70511161830p7ba683c8j39ba694adfe79f2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70511161830p7ba683c8j39ba694adfe79f2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051117040541.GK20443@iucha.net> On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:30:01PM -0600, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Is there something similar in scope in Linux as Belarc Advisor in > Windows? Belarc Advisor will identify pretty much every hardware > component and tell you things like the make and model of your > mainboard, BIOS version etc. I tried digging through /proc with no > luck. Anybody know of a comparable package or group of packages? lspci lsusb dmidecode florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Belarc Advisor will identify pretty much every hardware > > component and tell you things like the make and model of your > > mainboard, BIOS version etc. I tried digging through /proc with no > > luck. Anybody know of a comparable package or group of packages? > > lspci > lsusb > dmidecode > > florin > > -- > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFDfAGVND0rFCN2b1sRAkNAAJ4/vhG9J90aVSrQFfe9vCLd1TGHjgCff+zM > 9ztq1IX8RjnInoUlcnpaycI= > =ZNsF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > dmidecode is what hit the spot, thanks! -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Thu Nov 17 00:27:44 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Thu Nov 17 00:29:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] environment variables In-Reply-To: References: <43792B98.2020509@askewview.net> <43793357.2070904@joshwelch.com> <20051115033530.GY27437@therub.org> <1132180199.12465.247687883@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1132208864.19929.247714835@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thanks for the response Mike. I'm not quite sure if I see the value of defining an alias since I don't mind writing out the whole command in the shell script that will be calling it. Would everyone agree then that using a file as a global variable is the best way to transcend the scope of the shell? This is the script: #!/bin/bash CURMAP=`cat ~/prog/kbmaplaunch/map` if [ $CURMAP == "dvorak" ] then echo "us" > ~/prog/kbmaplaunch/map setxkbmap us; else echo "dvorak" > ~/prog/kbmaplaunch/map setxkbmap dvorak; fi ----- Original message ----- From: "Mike Miller" To: "Isaac Atilano" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:17:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] environment variables On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Isaac Atilano wrote: > I wrote a shell script that toggles my keyboard mapping in my X session > between us and dvorak using setxkbmap. I run it through a button I > created on my desktop panel. I originally tried exporting an environment > variable to use as the toggle flag but then found out that changes to > the variable are not carried over to parent shells (duh!) thus making my > script worthless. To solve this I created a file that contains one > line, namely the toggle value and I read the value with the command: > CURMAP=`cat file` > I then check that value to figure whether I should set the keyboard to > us or dvorak. > I then overwrite the file with the new value. If you use a script to change an environment variable, it will be changed only within the subshell of the script and it will not change the environment from which you called the script. You need to use an alias. Put this line in your .bashrc: alias curmap="CURMAP=value" Just put your value in there instead of "value." Then when you enter "curmap" (without the quotes), it will sent your environment variable. I can't see how anything will carry to *parent* shells. Your script won't do it and neither will this. Mike From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Nov 17 12:19:24 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu Nov 17 12:21:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Identifying hardware components in Linux In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70511161830p7ba683c8j39ba694adfe79f2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70511161830p7ba683c8j39ba694adfe79f2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Is there something similar in scope in Linux as Belarc Advisor in > Windows? Belarc Advisor will identify pretty much every hardware > component and tell you things like the make and model of your mainboard, > BIOS version etc. I tried digging through /proc with no luck. Anybody > know of a comparable package or group of packages? hwinfo rules. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 18 09:37:07 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Nov 18 09:37:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin on Fedora docs, anyone? Message-ID: <59335.192.28.2.52.1132328227.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> I'm running Fedora Core 4 on my server. I'm using Cyrus as my IMAP server, Sendmail as an MTA and SpamAssassin as a spam filter. DNSBL is working great, but I'm having trouble getting URIBLs to work. (Online Pharmaceuticals! Woo!) I have done no tweaking of the spamassassin configuration files (so they are stock), but would like to get this working, and the online documentation is either like eating an elephant, or very specific to someone else's setup. Pointers on where to look are most appreciated. /etc/mail/spamassassin has a few short files. /usr/share/spamassassin has 28 files, including 25_uribl.cf, but I can't tell if it's running. /var/log/maillog shows dnsbl rejections, but no mention of spam (other than spamhaus.org). Many thanks, Chris Schumann From alfracto at mchsi.com Fri Nov 18 11:53:57 2005 From: alfracto at mchsi.com (Alex Williamson) Date: Fri Nov 18 11:55:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. Message-ID: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> I work as the IT guy at a small private school. I'm trying to help students buy inexpensive computers using a free OS and software. I needed to test the latest free Linux on my workstation as a dual boot. I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE drive. The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, just plain old XP. I tried this on an identical machine and got the same results. I blew XP away on the second machine and successfully installed Core 4 as a single boot. I had previously successfully installed Cheap-Bytes Linux 10 for dual boot on a third machine identical to the machines that failed. I had the choice of the LILO boot loader in that case. Core 4 only offers GRUB. Is this really a loader issue or something else? Any Ideas?? Can I resurrect the first machine with a boot floppy? How would I configure? I can't see the actual file structure of the machine that won't boot properly. One more question. Where can I get a comprehensible and comprehensive tutorial on GRUB? From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 18 12:28:30 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Nov 18 12:29:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Cheap-Bytes etc. In-Reply-To: <200511181821.jAIILdvN012544@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200511181821.jAIILdvN012544@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <40471.192.28.2.52.1132338510.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:53:57 -0600 > From: Alex Williamson > I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE > drive. > The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, > just plain old XP. Did you install GRUB to the MBR? If you installed to the /boot partition, XP's loader will not look there. Did you run the media test on the CD's? Chris From jack at jacku.com Fri Nov 18 15:04:43 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:05:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <60248.66.41.169.53.1132347883.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> On Fri, November 18, 2005 11:53 am, Alex Williamson wrote: > I work as the IT guy at a small private school. > > I'm trying to help students buy inexpensive computers using a free OS > and software. > I needed to test the latest free Linux on my workstation as a dual boot. > > I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE > drive. > The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, > just plain old XP. > > I tried this on an identical machine and got the same results. > I suspect that this is do to using the second drive. If I remember correctly most of the distros will by default install GRUB to the MBR of the drive with the root or boot partition. In your case if this was the second, non-boot, drive then you wouldn't have seen the boot loader. XP's boot loader is still the one in place on the drive. > I blew XP away on the second machine and successfully installed Core 4 > as a single boot. > Makes sense given the above analysis > I had previously successfully installed Cheap-Bytes Linux 10 for dual > boot on a third machine identical to the machines that failed. I had the > choice of the LILO boot loader in that case. Core 4 only offers GRUB. > > Is this really a loader issue or something else? > > Any Ideas?? Can I resurrect the first machine with a boot floppy? How > would I configure? I can't see the actual file structure of the machine > that won't boot properly. > A couple of options are available to try in this case. You might try booting the Fedora install CD to "Rescue" mode and rebuilding GRUB to the primary master's MBR. You could use a boot floppy to try the same thing, but if you didn't create boot floppy during setup, it may be more trouble than its worth to get one working for what you need to do. Generally if you are putting the installation on a slave then you want to create a boot floppy "just in case". > One more question. Where can I get a comprehensible and comprehensive > tutorial on GRUB? > GRUB tutorial at: http://www.openbg.net/sto/os/xml/grub.html Have fun! -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:06:21 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:07:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30511181306t2294fffdq672aaba7eca10c93@mail.gmail.com> Did you install GRUB onto the MBR or the first linux partition on the dual boot machine? My guess is you install on the first linux partition. Try installing on the MBR. You can use FC4 disc 1 to boot and at the boot prompt type "linux rescue". It will ask you a couple of questions about language and what not. Choos "Continue" when you get to the screen about find your linux installation. After it mounts, type "chroot /mnt/sysimage". Now run "grub-install hd0" to install grub on your master boot record. Good Luck! On 11/18/05, Alex Williamson wrote: > > I work as the IT guy at a small private school. > > I'm trying to help students buy inexpensive computers using a free OS > and software. > I needed to test the latest free Linux on my workstation as a dual boot. > > I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE > drive. > The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, > just plain old XP. > > I tried this on an identical machine and got the same results. > > I blew XP away on the second machine and successfully installed Core 4 > as a single boot. > > I had previously successfully installed Cheap-Bytes Linux 10 for dual > boot on a third machine identical to the machines that failed. I had the > choice of the LILO boot loader in that case. Core 4 only offers GRUB. > > Is this really a loader issue or something else? > > Any Ideas?? Can I resurrect the first machine with a boot floppy? How > would I configure? I can't see the actual file structure of the machine > that won't boot properly. > > One more question. Where can I get a comprehensible and comprehensive > tutorial on GRUB? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051118/85d06adf/attachment.htm From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Fri Nov 18 15:26:47 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:27:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30511181306t2294fffdq672aaba7eca10c93@mail.gmail.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> <579c6fd30511181306t2294fffdq672aaba7eca10c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132349207.3187.247859528@webmail.messagingengine.com> I've run into problems setting up grub on my system if the boot partition isn't mounted. After you chroot it may help to make sure your boot partition is mounted to /boot or /mnt/boot. ----- Original message ----- From: "EP" To: "Alex Williamson" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:06:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. Did you install GRUB onto the MBR or the first linux partition on the dual boot machine? My guess is you install on the first linux partition. Try installing on the MBR. You can use FC4 disc 1 to boot and at the boot prompt type "linux rescue". It will ask you a couple of questions about language and what not. Choos "Continue" when you get to the screen about find your linux installation. After it mounts, type "chroot /mnt/sysimage". Now run "grub-install hd0" to install grub on your master boot record. Good Luck! On 11/18/05, Alex Williamson wrote: > > I work as the IT guy at a small private school. > > I'm trying to help students buy inexpensive computers using a free OS > and software. > I needed to test the latest free Linux on my workstation as a dual boot. > > I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE > drive. > The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, > just plain old XP. > > I tried this on an identical machine and got the same results. > > I blew XP away on the second machine and successfully installed Core 4 > as a single boot. > > I had previously successfully installed Cheap-Bytes Linux 10 for dual > boot on a third machine identical to the machines that failed. I had the > choice of the LILO boot loader in that case. Core 4 only offers GRUB. > > Is this really a loader issue or something else? > > Any Ideas?? Can I resurrect the first machine with a boot floppy? How > would I configure? I can't see the actual file structure of the machine > that won't boot properly. > > One more question. Where can I get a comprehensible and comprehensive > tutorial on GRUB? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:11:08 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Fri Nov 18 17:11:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <17f6da250511181511w33e2fa50y160ad1d307858b89@mail.gmail.com> On 11/18/05, Alex Williamson wrote: > > > One more question. Where can I get a comprehensible and comprehensive > tutorial on GRUB? > > I found http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm very helpful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051118/b42d6b9a/attachment.htm From timo at bolverk.net Fri Nov 18 20:00:33 2005 From: timo at bolverk.net (timo) Date: Fri Nov 18 19:55:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <437E8741.8020607@bolverk.net> Alex Williamson wrote: > I work as the IT guy at a small private school. > > I'm trying to help students buy inexpensive computers using a free OS > and software. > I needed to test the latest free Linux on my workstation as a dual boot. > > I installed Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 on an WinXP machine's second EIDE > drive. > The installation went fine but on reboot no GRUB loader menu showed, > just plain old XP. > > I tried this on an identical machine and got the same results. If this is still an issue on some machines you can also write an entry into NTLDR to access your linux partition on that second drive. This is old but still works... http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/ntldr.php timo From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Nov 20 08:19:00 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Sun Nov 20 08:16:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM recovery Message-ID: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> I have had a system crash ... it has two hard drives ... hdb crashed in a serious way. There were an 80 GB then 120 GB drive ... the larger of the two has crashed. I am trying to recover anything that is on the 80GB drive ... hda1 and hda2. hda1 is the boot sector - it shows up fine with Knoppix. But hda2, which is part of the LVM (grrrr) ... is the one I am having troubles with. Fedora Core 3 is what I have installed. I have downloaded the recover CD for FC3, but I am guessing I am not smart enough to make it work. Seems like I should be able to mount just the first part of the LVM and see what it has. Suggestions? Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Randy p.s. I have tried Knoppix, in the process of getting Gentoo Live, ... do any of these live CDs come with vgscan, etc.? All of the online info requires me to use these commands, but no such luck in finding them on these live cds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/67cec5f2/attachment.htm From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 09:14:59 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Sun Nov 20 09:16:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Cheap-Bytes Fedora Core 4 fails to provide GRUB menu on dual boot install. In-Reply-To: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> References: <437E1535.4020408@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <9d6c82530511200714u41b2b5fajde9fc48add9f691a@mail.gmail.com> There is a little known limitation with Windows XP using second hard drives for dual boot. Windows XP needs to believe that it is installed on the first drive. If you install Linux on the first drive with a linux boot loader (to totally preserve the XP drive) then you need to use a special command that tells the BIOS that XP is on the master drive. If you have installed DOS (or Windows) on a non-first hard disk, you have to use the disk swapping technique, because that OS cannot boot from any disks but the first one. The workaround used in GRUB is the command map (see map), like this: grub> map (hd0) (hd1) grub> map (hd1) (hd0) This performs a virtual swap between your first and second hard drive. Or you can confidentally install the Linux MBR on the Windows drive knowing that you just have to run fixmbr from the Windows XP disk in rescue mode. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/2e8243dc/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 09:35:04 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sun Nov 20 09:36:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM recovery In-Reply-To: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> References: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> Message-ID: <67f3084a0511200735t414a33f6v3c44edc3eac560e7@mail.gmail.com> On 11/20/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > p.s. I have tried Knoppix, in the process of getting Gentoo Live, ... do > any of these live CDs come with vgscan, etc.? All of the online info > requires me to use these commands, but no such luck in finding them on these > live cds. > FC3 should have the vgscan commands on it. However, I've never used any of the FC recover cd's. I've been experimenting with this one: http://sysresccd.org/ Be aware though that there may be differences between LVM versions, but you can work around them. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/0a57c38a/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Nov 20 10:53:17 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Sun Nov 20 10:50:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM recovery References: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> <67f3084a0511200735t414a33f6v3c44edc3eac560e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <020201c5edf2$ea918100$0601a8c0@laptopRC> I have tried that one already ... no go ... it stalls when it is booting up the first time ... so I never even get the chance to try it out. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Fertch To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] LVM recovery On 11/20/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: p.s. I have tried Knoppix, in the process of getting Gentoo Live, ... do any of these live CDs come with vgscan, etc.? All of the online info requires me to use these commands, but no such luck in finding them on these live cds. FC3 should have the vgscan commands on it. However, I've never used any of the FC recover cd's. I've been experimenting with this one: http://sysresccd.org/ Be aware though that there may be differences between LVM versions, but you can work around them. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/e283fc88/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 12:47:27 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sun Nov 20 12:51:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM recovery In-Reply-To: <020201c5edf2$ea918100$0601a8c0@laptopRC> References: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> <67f3084a0511200735t414a33f6v3c44edc3eac560e7@mail.gmail.com> <020201c5edf2$ea918100$0601a8c0@laptopRC> Message-ID: <67f3084a0511201047y245cbb94vf9fb45d65463cf69@mail.gmail.com> On 11/20/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I have tried that one already ... no go ... it stalls when it is booting > up the first time ... so I never even get the chance to try it out. > Does this system have dual cpu's? If so, that might be where it's having problems as I ran into that on testing bare-metal recovery options this past week. To my knowledge, Knoppix and many others do not have LVM commands (vgscan, lvcreate, etc). If you're having problems trying to get vgscan to recognize the LVM partition of your HDD, then you either have one of the following conditions: Physical failure of the HDD within that partition Corrupt LVM structuring (but no physical failure) Trying to access LVM2 volumes with LVM1. Although, if you're using the FC3 recovery disk, then it should work if you don't have issues with the drive nor LVM corruption. Backups? -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/1d2cc2b5/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Nov 20 13:37:17 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Sun Nov 20 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM recovery References: <01e601c5eddd$5d94b7f0$0601a8c0@laptopRC><67f3084a0511200735t414a33f6v3c44edc3eac560e7@mail.gmail.com><020201c5edf2$ea918100$0601a8c0@laptopRC> <67f3084a0511201047y245cbb94vf9fb45d65463cf69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022101c5ee09$d39dfcf0$0601a8c0@laptopRC> Yep ... dual CPUs ... i just quit trying after it stalled on me. I could make Knoppix work with LVM (www.knoppix.net/wiki/LVM2) ... but it would not mount it once everything was installed ... installed fine .. commands worked, but no luck on getting it to mount. I finally figured out how to get to lvm stuff on the FC3 recovery CD ... works differently than I thought. I just had to type lvm at the command prompt (duhhh) ... the one gets an lvm prompt. Within that I could then work on using vgs or vgscan. I was able to use vgreduce --removemissing as the second hard drive has had a massive failure (no backups) ... it now seems to appear that the VolGroup00 is just this one hda2 ... as it does not indicate it is missing any other drives. this is the one that I want to mount and see if anything is on it. (stuff is on it, but i want to see what I can recover) Issue now ... how do i mount the drive as LVM? could not get it to work with FC3 Rescue CD ... I kept getting error messages. Any way to change it from LVM back to ext3? Guess I will google on that a bit. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Fertch To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] LVM recovery On 11/20/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: I have tried that one already ... no go ... it stalls when it is booting up the first time ... so I never even get the chance to try it out. Does this system have dual cpu's? If so, that might be where it's having problems as I ran into that on testing bare-metal recovery options this past week. To my knowledge, Knoppix and many others do not have LVM commands (vgscan, lvcreate, etc). If you're having problems trying to get vgscan to recognize the LVM partition of your HDD, then you either have one of the following conditions: Physical failure of the HDD within that partition Corrupt LVM structuring (but no physical failure) Trying to access LVM2 volumes with LVM1. Although, if you're using the FC3 recovery disk, then it should work if you don't have issues with the drive nor LVM corruption. Backups? -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051120/64a554f7/attachment.htm From bhartm at visi.com Sun Nov 20 20:13:01 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Sun Nov 20 20:12:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: those sneaky Dell power supplies In-Reply-To: <437AE462.9020809@visi.com> References: <111520051754.3474.437A20BA00020F2900000D9222007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <437AE462.9020809@visi.com> Message-ID: <43812D2D.1060307@visi.com> Just some FYI to complete the ticket (?) While I'm still annoyed that Dell does this to their home-user PC customers, it turns out that they will send a replacement cheaper than what I could find on eBay or anywhere locally. We ordered it today. $42, USPS shipping included. ETA 11/28. Not terrible. Bob Hartmann wrote: > > Well put, T. I am *so* glad I asked this list. Thanks to Florin for > catching the detail and everyone else for chiming in. I've set > several non-geek friends up with Dells to make life cheap and easy... > I should probably get them all little fire extinguishers for x-mas as > a reminder to call me for support. I called quecomputers.com this > morning inquiring about a Dell specific PS. Neither of the 2 I talked > to had heard of this issue. 2 guys at my job were quite familiar. > > auditodd@comcast.net wrote: > >> HOLY SH*T! >> Good to know. >> I stand corrected. >> >> -- >> ---- >> ------ >> Todd Young >> >> >> >> >>> auditodd@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I would have to disagree with the comment that Dell has changed the >>>> 20 pin >>> >>> mobo connector. I just compared an old HP Pavilion power supply with >>> that inside of a Dell Optiplex GX260 and the wire color codes are >>> exactly the same. So unless Dell is using a different color code for >>> their power supplies, any ATX compatible power supply should work in >>> a Dell PC. >>> >>> >>>> Just my $0.02. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---- >>>> ------ >>>> Todd Young >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I didn't know this until today.. but it does seem to be documented >>> in quite a few places: >>> >>> http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339053 >>> >>> Good to know... >>> >>> Dan >>> >> >> >> >> > > From admin at lctn.org Mon Nov 21 09:36:16 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Nov 21 09:32:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] best wireless adapter Message-ID: <1132587376.23976.61.camel@www.kt.lctn.org> We are setting up a wireless lab in a school. What low cost, PCI, wireless adapter would be the best choice to use with Linux? From mike.partyka at jumpnode.com Tue Nov 22 14:43:56 2005 From: mike.partyka at jumpnode.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Tue Nov 22 14:45:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bind9, repeated log message: update failed, prerequisite not satisfied (NXRRSET) Message-ID: Hello, I am looking into repeated log entries that look like this: Nov 20 07:08:15 server named[12345]: client 71.193.78.56#1635: updating zo ne 'somecompany.net/IN': update failed: 'RRset exists (value dependent)' prereq uisite not satisfied (NXRRSET) Nov 20 07:08:15 server named[12345]: Nov 20 07:08:15.201security: error: c lient 71.193.78.56#1638: update 'somecompany.net/IN' denied This Bind 9 implementation is authoritative for a dozen or so zones, but these entries are being repeatedly logged for only three of them. I have seen reference on other mailing lists that this may be expected behavior and could be windows clients trying to perform dyamic updates this Bind server. Unless these clients were allowed to perform updates by adding them to the allow-update parameter of the zone entry in named.conf, the message is normal as these clients should not be able to update your zone files. The zone entry in named.conf looks like this: zone "somecompany.net" { type master; notify yes; file "db.somecompany.net"; allow-update { none; }; Any thoughts on whether I should be concerned about this? And if so, what prerequisite is not being met? I have read rfc2136.txt but I wasn?t able to make a lot of sense of it. Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051122/66030c91/attachment.html From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net Tue Nov 22 17:33:14 2005 From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie@poetworld.net) Date: Tue Nov 22 17:35:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question Message-ID: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> Greetings, I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? From scotjenkins at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 18:10:33 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Tue Nov 22 18:11:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question In-Reply-To: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> References: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> Message-ID: On 11/22/05, rhubarbpie@poetworld.net wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled > xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. > > However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For > instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line > will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? > Is your PC speaker wired up? Does it beep during POST? '\a' should ring the "bell" (aka, PC speaker) not your soundcard. scot From rwh at visi.com Tue Nov 22 18:22:23 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Tue Nov 22 18:27:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Drivers for LCD sxvga In-Reply-To: <037301c5efb3$c797b580$0601a8c0@laptopRC> References: <037301c5efb3$c797b580$0601a8c0@laptopRC> Message-ID: <4383B63F.7070807@visi.com> When I hooked up my Acer it just queried the monitor and fetched back the resolutions and refresh information. --rick Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I ran across a good deal for a 19 inch LCD display (DCL brand) ... do > I have to worry about drivers for this system? Or should I be able to > just install it and run with it? > > Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > p.s. I looked a bit through google ... nothing jumped out at me ... > initially. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net Tue Nov 22 19:41:22 2005 From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie@poetworld.net) Date: Tue Nov 22 19:43:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question In-Reply-To: References: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> Message-ID: <4383C8C2.4020505@poetworld.net> Scot Jenkins wrote: >On 11/22/05, rhubarbpie@poetworld.net wrote: > > >>Greetings, >> >>I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled >>xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. >> >>However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For >>instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line >>will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? >> >> >> > >Is your PC speaker wired up? Does it beep during POST? >'\a' should ring the "bell" (aka, PC speaker) not your soundcard. > >scot > > > I've compiled alsa and turned on the PC speaker in alsamixer. I get sound with speaker-test. Is that what you mean? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051122/eadaea05/attachment.html From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Tue Nov 22 21:29:31 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Tue Nov 22 21:31:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question In-Reply-To: <4383C8C2.4020505@poetworld.net> References: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> <4383C8C2.4020505@poetworld.net> Message-ID: <1132716571.1008.248148540@webmail.messagingengine.com> Did the sound come from the pc speaker? If not, do you have it enabled in your kernel? In my 2.6 kernel, I have the pc speaker driver compiled as a module. The option is CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m I had to make sure to set this when I upgraded from the 2.4 to the 2.6 kernel. ----- Original message ----- From: rhubarbpie@poetworld.net To: "Scot Jenkins" Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question Scot Jenkins wrote: >On 11/22/05, rhubarbpie@poetworld.net wrote: > > >>Greetings, >> >>I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled >>xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. >> >>However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For >>instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line >>will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? >> >> >> > >Is your PC speaker wired up? Does it beep during POST? >'\a' should ring the "bell" (aka, PC speaker) not your soundcard. > >scot > > > I've compiled alsa and turned on the PC speaker in alsamixer. I get sound with speaker-test. Is that what you mean? From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net Wed Nov 23 09:13:28 2005 From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie@poetworld.net) Date: Wed Nov 23 09:15:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question - Problem Solved In-Reply-To: <1132716571.1008.248148540@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> <4383C8C2.4020505@poetworld.net> <1132716571.1008.248148540@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <43848718.40303@poetworld.net> Isaac Atilano wrote: >Did the sound come from the pc speaker? >If not, do you have it enabled in your kernel? >In my 2.6 kernel, I have the pc speaker driver compiled as a module. >The option is CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m >I had to make sure to set this when I upgraded from the 2.4 to the 2.6 >kernel. > > >----- Original message ----- >From: rhubarbpie@poetworld.net >To: "Scot Jenkins" >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:22 -0600 >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question > >Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > >>On 11/22/05, rhubarbpie@poetworld.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled >>>xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. >>> >>>However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For >>>instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line >>>will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Is your PC speaker wired up? Does it beep during POST? >>'\a' should ring the "bell" (aka, PC speaker) not your soundcard. >> >>scot >> >> >> >> >> >I've compiled alsa and turned on the PC speaker in alsamixer. I get >sound with speaker-test. Is that what you mean? > > > > Bingo! I thank you kindly Isaac. The solution was simply to enable my PC speaker in the kernel: Input device support ---> [ ] Misc < > PC Speaker support (NEW) My speaker problem also occurred with the 2.6 kernel. Sound in Mandrake was suddenly non-existent. I never occurred to me that the speaker would be an option, and miscellaneous at that. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051123/def0b680/attachment.html From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Wed Nov 23 09:32:44 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Wed Nov 23 09:33:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question - Problem Solved In-Reply-To: <43848718.40303@poetworld.net> References: <4383AABA.9010108@poetworld.net> <4383C8C2.4020505@poetworld.net> <1132716571.1008.248148540@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43848718.40303@poetworld.net> Message-ID: <1132759964.19286.248187954@webmail.messagingengine.com> I agree but I do like having the option of turning it off at the kernel level. I would also think it'd be enabled by default especially since most people I know were used to having the pc speaker work without worrying about enabling it in the kernel. Glad I could be of help. ----- Original message ----- From: rhubarbpie@poetworld.net To: "Isaac Atilano" Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:13:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question - Problem Solved Isaac Atilano wrote: >Did the sound come from the pc speaker? >If not, do you have it enabled in your kernel? >In my 2.6 kernel, I have the pc speaker driver compiled as a module. >The option is CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m >I had to make sure to set this when I upgraded from the 2.4 to the 2.6 >kernel. > > >----- Original message ----- >From: rhubarbpie@poetworld.net >To: "Scot Jenkins" >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:22 -0600 >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sound 101 question > >Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > >>On 11/22/05, rhubarbpie@poetworld.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>I'm running LFS compiled Linux with the 2.6.11.12 kernel. I've compiled >>>xmms and can play mp3 files, so my sound card works. >>> >>>However, I have no sound from either a command line or OpenOffice. For >>>instance, neither OpenOffice macros or "print \a" from a command line >>>will beep. This is probably someone quite basic. What should I check? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Is your PC speaker wired up? Does it beep during POST? >>'\a' should ring the "bell" (aka, PC speaker) not your soundcard. >> >>scot >> >> >> >> >> >I've compiled alsa and turned on the PC speaker in alsamixer. I get >sound with speaker-test. Is that what you mean? > > > > Bingo! I thank you kindly Isaac. The solution was simply to enable my PC speaker in the kernel: Input device support ---> [ ] Misc < > PC Speaker support (NEW) My speaker problem also occurred with the 2.6 kernel. Sound in Mandrake was suddenly non-existent. I never occurred to me that the speaker would be an option, and miscellaneous at that. From natecars at natecarlson.com Wed Nov 23 13:29:18 2005 From: natecars at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Nov 23 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] 1U PCI riser adapter? Message-ID: Anyone happen to have a couple 1U pci riser adapters they want to part with, or know a local shop that carries them? I've got 2 generic 1u boxes that don't have PCI risers in 'em, and would prefer to buy local so I can make sure it'll work with the box.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 14:10:02 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:11:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache Message-ID: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> I'm building a new squid proxy server. I'd like to put the proxy cache on its own partition. Is ther a file system that would be better optimized for proxy cache? I'm not a fan of Ext2/3, but I'm not familiar enough with Reiser, JFS, XFS, etc to know which is best for handling a large amount of small files. -Brian From scotjenkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 14:34:57 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:35:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/23/05, Brian Wall wrote: > I'm building a new squid proxy server. I'd like to put the proxy > cache on its own partition. Is ther a file system that would be > better optimized for proxy cache? I'm not a fan of Ext2/3, but I'm > not familiar enough with Reiser, JFS, XFS, etc to know which is best > for handling a large amount of small files. Probably the best way to make your decision is to do lots of reading on the subject. Try googling for "best filesystem squid small files". It sounds like reiser is best for lots of small files but I have no experience with it. Personally ext2/ext3 has performed well for every purpose I've used Linux for (mail, DNS, web, squid, cvs, workstation, music streaming, etc.). I've had no reason or desire to try other filesystems. scot From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 23 16:17:01 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:17:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Testing: Ignore Message-ID: <20051123221701.GA7665@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 18:09:44 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Wed Nov 23 18:11:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> I've been using reiserfs for a couple of years now, and have never had a problem with it. I prefer it over ext3 because it doesn't waste nearly as much space... ext3 (with default config anyway) wastes huge amounts of your disk drive. Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Nov 23 19:07:23 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Nov 23 19:09:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Dan Armbrust wrote: > I've been using reiserfs for a couple of years now, and have never had a > problem with it. I prefer it over ext3 because it doesn't waste nearly > as much space... ext3 (with default config anyway) wastes huge amounts > of your disk drive. I guess ext3 is layered on top of ext2 and maybe that overhead causes some loss of space. I don't know much, but this looks like a good web page for an overview of many file systems (you can click on a name in the left table margin to see a full encyclopedia entry): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems Here's a related question: The choice of file system determines if ACLs... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_lists ...can be used. What's the current status of ACLs on Linux? Are you guys using ACLs? Any tips? According to the Wikipiedia web page file systems (URL above), ext2, ext3, ReiserFS, XFS and JFS all support ACLs, but I'm not sure that they all run on Linux (do they?) and there is this note for ext2, ext3 and ReiserFS: Some Installable File System drivers and operating systems may not support extended attributes, access control lists or security labels on these filesystems. Linux kernels prior to 2.6.x may either be missing support for these altogether or require a patch. I would like to hear your experiences. Thanks. Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ From nate at refried.org Wed Nov 23 20:39:39 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Wed Nov 23 20:41:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051124023939.GA6412@refried.org> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 02:34:57PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > On 11/23/05, Brian Wall wrote: > > I'm building a new squid proxy server. I'd like to put the proxy > > cache on its own partition. Is ther a file system that would be > > better optimized for proxy cache? > Probably the best way to make your decision is to do lots of reading > on the subject. Try googling for "best filesystem squid small files". > > It sounds like reiser is best for lots of small files but I have no > experience with it. Personally ext2/ext3 has performed well for every > purpose I've used Linux for (mail, DNS, web, squid, cvs, workstation, > music streaming, etc.). I've had no reason or desire to try other > filesystems. I've lots of people say the reiser is really good for squid caches. I also just had a thought. A proxy cache is just a cache for temporary files. They help speed up web access, but they really aren't all that important. So if the file system corrupts itself, you can really just mkfs the partition and start over. So the main benefit of a journaled file system, quick recovery, is negated. So unless there is a performance difference, why not stick with ext2 for the proxy cache file system? Does this make sense to anyone that admins a squid proxy? I have no experience in this area. Nate From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 06:16:45 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu Nov 24 06:17:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: <20051124023939.GA6412@refried.org> References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> <20051124023939.GA6412@refried.org> Message-ID: <2c6699da0511240416w56ccde43kd906a5f85a5f6c2c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/05, Nate Straz wrote: > I've lots of people say the reiser is really good for squid caches. I've seen documentation relating to the subject, and all, I've deduced is that file system choice is critical. People seem to be in agreement that an unopitmized file system can drag down your suid performance. On that note, no one seem to really offer an opinion at which file system is best. Reiser has a slight edge by doing Google searches, but XFS and ext* are out there as well. > I also just had a thought. A proxy cache is just a cache for temporary > files. They help speed up web access, but they really aren't all that > important. So if the file system corrupts itself, you can really > just mkfs the partition and start over. Correct. In fact, I wrote a script for this as it was a problem on our last proxy box with cache corrupting. Journaling is not required, however it will maintain a cache longer without corruption, which means the proxy server will be more efficient the longer the cache stays intact. Journaling does add overhead, but it seeems to win out performance wise compared to regenerating the cache volume frequently. I've chosen Reiser as my file system for the volume. It seems to run well. Changing the FS is a simple procedure, especially since this box isn't production yet. I'll keep researching the various file systems and try to determine what's best. -Brian From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 06:25:46 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu Nov 24 06:27:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0511240425v7577e4eava16984ee70024bfa@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/05, Mike Miller wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems Fantastic, thanks for the link. The comparison is icnomplete, however it is stated that Reiser4 is good for small files and LOTS of them. Sounds like a good choice for squid cache. > Here's a related question: The choice of file system determines if ACLs... > ...can be used. What's the current status of ACLs on Linux? Are you guys > using ACLs? Any tips? I'm not running my linux boxes in a real multiuser environment yet, so I haven't needed ACLs to date. I thought I heard that ACLs were moving along, but I don't know any current status info. > Some Installable File System drivers and operating systems may not > support extended attributes, access control lists or security labels on > these filesystems. Linux kernels prior to 2.6.x may either be missing > support for these altogether or require a patch. > I would like to hear your experiences. Thanks. I think ACL support requires a 2.6 kernel. ACL support is primitive in 2.4 IIRC and I would suggest running a recent kernel if you're going to be using ACLs. -Brian From scotjenkins at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 10:10:48 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:11:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> <438504C8.9050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/23/05, Dan Armbrust wrote: > I've been using reiserfs for a couple of years now, and have never had a > problem with it. I prefer it over ext3 because it doesn't waste nearly > as much space... ext3 (with default config anyway) wastes huge amounts > of your disk drive. > > Dan You can save some space when setting reserved blocks to 1% instead of the default 5%: mke2fs -m 1 -j /dev/hda1 man mke2fs: -m reserved-blocks-percentage Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved for the super-user. This avoids fragmentation, and allows root-owned daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. The default percentage is 5%. scot From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 15:57:13 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Fri Nov 25 16:01:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How to install Soft Fonts with HP printer Message-ID: <579c6fd30511251357w3acfdbd1p29536321a08ce9eb@mail.gmail.com> I know this is a long shot, but I thought maybe someone would know something about installing soft fonts (for barcode printing) from a linux server to a Laserjet hooked up to lp0. I've tried coping the fnt files to /dev/lp0 using cp, but it doesn't seem to be working. It does work with a LaserJet 1300 or so I've been told. Anyone have any ideas how to successfully do this? Right now it prints everything, but barcodes. It prints the text and the barcode commands rather than the barcodes themselves. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051125/5126d68c/attachment.html From thecubic at thecubic.net Fri Nov 25 16:52:08 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Fri Nov 25 16:51:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How to install Soft Fonts with HP printer In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30511251357w3acfdbd1p29536321a08ce9eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30511251357w3acfdbd1p29536321a08ce9eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511251652.11514.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Friday 25 November 2005 15:57, EP wrote: > Anyone have any ideas how to successfully do this? Right now it prints > everything, but barcodes. It prints the text and the barcode commands > rather than the barcodes themselves. Is there any reason you need to use fonts instead of generated postscript? If not, try using GNU Barcode (and kbarcode if you need/want a front end) - it can output postscript that should get good results from a decent HP laser printer. I've made tape barcode labels for a tape robot with those tools and they worked perfectly. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051125/01c60e26/attachment.pgp From rosgood at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 26 12:06:42 2005 From: rosgood at mn.rr.com (Rick Osgood) Date: Sun Nov 27 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for help in south MSP Message-ID: <4388A432.8060109@mn.rr.com> I have installed Ubuntu and am a newbie to Linux. Looking for assistance in getting it setup correctly and a little tutoring. Can pay a little bit for the time. Call Rick at 612-327-6062 From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 09:43:00 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 28 09:43:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] File system for squid cache In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0511240416w56ccde43kd906a5f85a5f6c2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0511231210q4bad244crf756aa618d4ab0a@mail.gmail.com> <20051124023939.GA6412@refried.org> <2c6699da0511240416w56ccde43kd906a5f85a5f6c2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/24/05, Brian Wall wrote: > I've chosen Reiser as my file system for the volume. It seems to run > well. Changing the FS is a simple procedure, especially since this > box isn't production yet. I'll keep researching the various file > systems and try to determine what's best. You might consider using the noatime and notail options for reiserfs. noatime should speed read access up since the access time dosnt need to be updated. Some claim the notail option speeds things up at the expense of some loss in storage efficency, but Ive never benchmarked it to know for sure. A true nolog option would surely improve performance, but I dont think its really implemented yet. Check the mount options: http://www.namesys.com/mount-options.html -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From gscottwalters at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 05:31:06 2005 From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G Scott Walters) Date: Mon Nov 28 10:31:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VPNC question Message-ID: Happy Monday all, I'm a n00b to the list and have recently started using linux again at home and work. I've got Ubuntu (HH, 5.04) running on my laptop, and when after I installed and configured VPNC and attempt a connection I get the following error: vpnc: xauth packet unsupported: ATTRIBUTES_NOT_SUPPORTED So, how to I install xauth? It doesn't appear to be apt-gettable, but maybe I'm searching for the wrong package. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. -- G. Scott Walters gscottwalters@gmail.com http://www.apt518.net From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 10:46:41 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 28 10:47:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VPNC question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/28/05, G Scott Walters wrote: > Happy Monday all, I'm a n00b to the list and have recently started using > linux again at home and work. > > I've got Ubuntu (HH, 5.04) running on my laptop, and when after I > installed and configured VPNC and attempt a connection I get the following > error: > vpnc: xauth packet unsupported: ATTRIBUTES_NOT_SUPPORTED > > So, how to I install xauth? It doesn't appear to be apt-gettable, but > maybe I'm searching for the wrong package. the xauth vpnc is talking about is different from the xauth in xbase-clients (for X11 stuff). XAUTH is an authentication type that vpnc can be configured to use. Read /usr/share/doc/vpnc/README for some examples. You might also want to talk to your Cisco VPN administrator to be sure you have all the information you need. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Nov 28 20:31:04 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Nov 28 20:31:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511290231.jAT2V4P10685@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: cleaning house. I cleaned up a pile of junk (or treasure) today, and I figured I'd let the list have a shot at it before it goes to the recycler. 4x 32MB 60ns EDO (tested) - $1ea. obo. celeron 466 partial system (tested) - $5 obo. celeron 466 w/ HSF motherboard case w/ PSU fdd (untested) 6x DVD-ROM (untested, was flaky before) everything below here is free until it's gone or the recycling center has an electronics recycling day. 1x phone cord (6'?) never even unwrapped 1x 56k modem (untested, presumed lightning victim) 2x 3com (3c509?) 10/100 NICs (working IIRC) 1x linksys 10/100 NIC (working IIRC) 1x P-200 MMX w/ heatsink (tested working) 1x USR 56k winmodem (working IIRC) most of the stuff is coming out of a beatup IBM desktop with a broken battery clip. if anyone wants the entire thing it's theirs. 7634589071 or email me, i do not deliver (for free), i live in coon rapids, and starting Dec 1, i'll be working off of 494 & Hwy 55. Seller Email address: john4293 at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From adam at askewview.net Mon Nov 28 21:07:20 2005 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Nov 28 21:07:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora/Centos and AMI RAID Controllers Message-ID: <438BC5E8.9090202@askewview.net> Hello all, I'm just wondering if anyone out there has tried installing FC4 or Centos 4 on a machine with an AMI Raid controller. I've got a dell poweredge 2400 with a PERC2/dc (Rebranded AMI) RAID Controller. It appears that when LSI bought out AMI the removed support for the order AMI cards from their driver. The vanilla linux kernel from kernel.org has botht he old and new megaraid drivers but for some reason this driver is not included in the Fedora/Centos/RHEL kernels at all. Just looking for suggestions where to start tackling this issue. Thanks, Adam From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 21:28:42 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Nov 28 21:29:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora/Centos and AMI RAID Controllers In-Reply-To: <438BC5E8.9090202@askewview.net> References: <438BC5E8.9090202@askewview.net> Message-ID: I know that in the past when I have worked with boot-time drivers not included in the base Redhat install I have had to recompile a kernel with the driver as a module. You then have to make a custom initrd image with that driver included. The details of this are hazy but I am sure you can google for it. IIRC all the tools you need are included with the base install. I believe you use mkinitrd actually... On 11/28/05, Adam wrote: > Hello all, > I'm just wondering if anyone out there has tried installing FC4 or > Centos 4 on a machine with an AMI Raid controller. I've got a dell > poweredge 2400 with a PERC2/dc (Rebranded AMI) RAID Controller. It > appears that when LSI bought out AMI the removed support for the order > AMI cards from their driver. The vanilla linux kernel from kernel.org > has botht he old and new megaraid drivers but for some reason this > driver is not included in the Fedora/Centos/RHEL kernels at all. > Just looking for suggestions where to start tackling this issue. > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 29 11:24:03 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Nov 29 11:25:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511291724.jATHO3A18661@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: For Rent Subject: Room for rent Due to one of my roommates buying a house I have a room available to rent. The house is convientantly near the U of M campus and both downtown Minneapolis and St. Paul. Its a great place if you are at the U and tired of the dorms or living at home. Some details: *12x22' *free laundry *plenty of parking *well equipped home theater with professional crt projector, dvd player, media pc etc *Central A/C *Cable modem with traffic shaping for low latency connection. Seller Email address: blj at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From chris.smith at apigroupinc.us Tue Nov 29 13:12:53 2005 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.us (Chris Smith) Date: Tue Nov 29 13:25:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] automation tool for linux? Message-ID: <438CA835.2070408@apigroupinc.us> I had a book I'd just gotten that I left on a Northwest flight. (*Automating UNIX and Linux Administration (The Expert's Voice)* by Kirk Bauer Great book.) Anyhow, it mentions a tool like "diff" to update configuration files using shell scripts. I can't for the lift of me remember what that utility was, despite much googling. Anyone have any idea? I'm reordering the book, but hate to wait. Thanks, Chris Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051129/7810780d/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 29 13:41:47 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Nov 29 13:43:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511291941.jATJflC21938@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: cleaning house redux all the stuff from the first batch is taken. here is some more. Monster 1m digital coax cable - not used in a couple years but it was an expensive cable so asking $10 printer cable - $1 obo. linksys "network anywhere" 10/100 PCMCIA NIC - $1 obo. - IIRC dongle is a little bit flaky and newer kernels, or hotplug or something don't detect it properly, worked fine back in the slack 8.1 days Linksys WPC11 v.3 PCMCIA 802.11b - $1 obo. - it was stepped on at one point, iirc it still works but i haven't tested it recently. Motorola Montana 33.6 PCMCIA fax/modem w/ dongle - $1 obo. - untested 2x 16MB SIMMs - label reads "16MB, FP SIMM, 2K 5V" - $1 for the pair, obo. Packard Bell IR sensor (serial) w/ remote control - $1 obo. Adaptec AHA-2940 SCSI controller w/ ribbon cable - $1 obo. - worked, not tested recently. MS Office 95 Pro w/ license - $1 obo. creative (dxr3?) mpeg decoder card w/ video passthrough and dvdrom audio cables - $2 obo. == everything below is free == old pci video card with S3 chip on it. - untested 8x acer cdrom - untested, flaky? 12x? toshiba dvd-rom - untested, flaky? 24x mitsumi cdrom - untested, flaky? telephone jack splitter skytel @ctivelink module for handspring visor - never used 2x Pentium-90 - iirc one of them is a socket 5, the other is 7 Pentium-100 Kensington Scroll Mouse PS/2 w/ serial converter stuffed blue Intel "Moonman" keychain Fellowes Screen Protectors for Handspring Visor and compatible - partial package, 6 protectors 2x 4MB EDO 60ns - not tested ==== as before, i do NOT deliver, i live in coon rapids, email me or call me at 7634589071. -Tom Seller Email address: john4293 at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 16:17:04 2005 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Tue Nov 29 16:19:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] can apache require authentication from only specific IP addresses? Message-ID: <1469cda20511291417l4201deefy6aaad75738018b05@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to limit access to a web site of mine due to some abuse. I want to allow all connections, except those originating from a particular IP, which I want to require authentication from in order to access the site. I would block the IP address outright, but I have some legitimate users coming from it as well, I've tried the following with no success. Any ideas anybody has would be greatly appreciated. # # AuthUserFile /bar/.htpasswd # Order allow,deny # Allow from !evilhost.com # AuthType Basic # AuthName "Due to abuse, Connections from this host require authentication" # Satisfy any # -Tom Johnson From thecubic at thecubic.net Tue Nov 29 16:31:57 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Tue Nov 29 16:30:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] can apache require authentication from only specific IP addresses? In-Reply-To: <1469cda20511291417l4201deefy6aaad75738018b05@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda20511291417l4201deefy6aaad75738018b05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511291632.03850.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 16:17, Thomas Johnson wrote: > I'm trying to limit access to a web site of mine due to some abuse. I > want to allow all connections, except those originating from a > particular IP, which I want to require authentication from in order to > access the site. I would block the IP address outright, but I have > some legitimate users coming from it as well, I've tried the following > with no success. Any ideas anybody has would be greatly appreciated. You may be intending to use ; is for an absolute filesystem path, and is for a URL. I have a similar version working (mine allowing unauth for localhost, and require auth for others) using : AuthName [Name] AuthType Basic AuthUserFile [htpasswd] Require valid-user Order allow,deny Allow from 127.0.0.1 Satisfy any Options -Indexes I don't know if it even works for . Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051129/10611ee1/attachment.pgp From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 16:52:53 2005 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Tue Nov 29 16:53:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] can apache require authentication from only specific IP addresses? In-Reply-To: <200511291632.03850.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <1469cda20511291417l4201deefy6aaad75738018b05@mail.gmail.com> <200511291632.03850.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <1469cda20511291452n23ed9865x5b2599ba2a28a15b@mail.gmail.com> that looks like exactly what i needed, thanks! On 11/29/05, Dave Carlson wrote: > You may be intending to use ; is for an absolute > filesystem path, and is for a URL. I have a similar version > working (mine allowing unauth for localhost, and require auth for others) > using : > > > AuthName [Name] > AuthType Basic > AuthUserFile [htpasswd] > Require valid-user > Order allow,deny > Allow from 127.0.0.1 > Satisfy any > Options -Indexes > > > I don't know if it even works for . > > Dave Carlson From shanson at cruiskeen.com Tue Nov 29 16:52:53 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Tue Nov 29 16:53:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] automation tool for linux? In-Reply-To: <438CAB22.30807@gmail.com> References: <438CAB22.30807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <438CDBC5.4070401@cruiskeen.com> Christopher Smith wrote: > I had a book I'd just gotten that I left on a Northwest flight. > (*Automating UNIX and Linux Administration (The Expert's Voice)* > > > by Kirk Bauer > > Great book.) Anyhow, it mentions a tool like "diff" to update > configuration files using shell scripts. I can't for the lift of me > remember what that utility was, despite much googling. Anyone have any > idea? I'm reordering the book, but hate to wait. > > I pulled the copy off of my shelf - the only thing I can see that you might be talking about is Mark Burgess' cfengine. Which may or may not be a good solution for you depending on what you have in mind. He also has some of his own shell scripts in there, but if you're looking for a package name I expect cfengine is what you're looking for http://www.cfengine.org > Thanks, > > Chris Smith > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From niels.gott at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 22:33:21 2005 From: niels.gott at gmail.com (Niels Gott) Date: Tue Nov 29 22:33:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV Message-ID: Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, and it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience with it, or if there are other projects worth exploring. Thanks, Niels Gott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051129/4132054d/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 22:39:13 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue Nov 29 22:39:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47f4d5e70511292039p46495367pc47a2758de36b347@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/05, Niels Gott wrote: > Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, and > it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience with it, > or if there are other projects worth exploring. > > Thanks, > > Niels Gott > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > I've been running MythTV on Ubuntu for quite some times. I use it to watch shows/movies I've downloaded as well as streaming video. The music player isn't great for it but if you have a bunch of pre-defined playlists it's ok. My television reception sucks and I'm too cheap for cable so I don't use the PVR function but I can try to help with any quirks you're having. I've pounded through a few strange quirks myself. -- Donovan Niesen From thecubic at thecubic.net Tue Nov 29 22:47:52 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Tue Nov 29 22:47:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511292247.56494.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 22:33, Niels Gott wrote: > Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, and > it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience with > it, or if there are other projects worth exploring. I've got a Frankenstein-ish PC set up with Fedora Core 4 and a Hauppauge PVR-350. I'm stuck using a Voodoo 5 for video out, because my builtin video won't talk to the TView correctly. I've gone through quite a bit of quirks, but in the end, I ended up setting aside a weekend day to obliterate/understand them all. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051129/cb3131a7/attachment.pgp From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Nov 30 05:51:23 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Nov 30 05:53:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] automation tool for linux? In-Reply-To: <28649192.1133292374081.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> References: <28649192.1133292374081.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> Message-ID: <200511300551.24106.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 01:12 pm, Chris Smith wrote: > I had a book I'd just gotten that I left on a Northwest flight. > (*Automating UNIX and Linux Administration (The Expert's Voice)* > /102-2787650-1230512?v=glance&s=books> > > by Kirk Bauer > or=Bauer%2C%20Kirk/102-2787650-1230512> Great book.) Anyhow, it mentions a > tool like "diff" to update > configuration files using shell scripts. I can't for the lift of me > remember what that utility was, despite much googling. Anyone have any > idea? I'm reordering the book, but hate to wait. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Smith In Gentoo I use dispatch-conf (http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_dispatch-conf) to update config files. It is quite awesome. It uses colordiff (if you install it) and uses rcs so you can rollback to earlier revisions of your config files in case of problems. It is quite nice. From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Nov 30 08:07:05 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Nov 30 08:07:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Niels Gott wrote: > Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, > and it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience > with it, or if there are other projects worth exploring. Been running MythTV for ages; have a master backend server, a slave backend servers, and two frontends, one of which is a second slave backend server. (that's a mouthful). Works ok; I'm using PVR-250's for the analog capture, and ivtv croaks on the cards occasionally and requires a reboot to clear things out. Other than that, it's pretty stable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From christophermsmith at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 09:01:36 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Wed Nov 30 09:03:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] automation tool for linux? In-Reply-To: <438CDBC5.4070401@cruiskeen.com> References: <438CAB22.30807@gmail.com> <438CDBC5.4070401@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <438DBED0.4090006@gmail.com> Thanks! I figured someone would have it. I've since re-ordered the book. Our number of servers keeps growing (roughly 90) and it is getting to the point where a single logon script change is a bear to implement. Chris Steve Hanson wrote: >Christopher Smith wrote: > > >>I had a book I'd just gotten that I left on a Northwest flight. >>(*Automating UNIX and Linux Administration (The Expert's Voice)* >> >> >>by Kirk Bauer >> >>Great book.) Anyhow, it mentions a tool like "diff" to update >>configuration files using shell scripts. I can't for the lift of me >>remember what that utility was, despite much googling. Anyone have any >>idea? I'm reordering the book, but hate to wait. >> >> >> >> >I pulled the copy off of my shelf - the only thing I can see that you >might be talking about is Mark Burgess' cfengine. > >Which may or may not be a good solution for you depending on what you >have in mind. > >He also has some of his own shell scripts in there, but if you're >looking for a package name I expect cfengine is what you're looking for > >http://www.cfengine.org > > > >>Thanks, >> >>Chris Smith >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/12c8d8c9/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 09:28:45 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed Nov 30 09:29:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c6699da0511300728q3eaca471te81c08ef7d699c4@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/05, Niels Gott wrote: > Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, and > it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience with it, > or if there are other projects worth exploring. I use KnoppMyth, a Debian based installable Knoppix distro. I have an older WinTV card, which has crappy picture but it works for what I use it for. Myth seems kinda quirky in general, but nothing that would prevent me from using it. Upgrading to a PVR card might fix some of my issues. -Brian From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net Wed Nov 30 11:30:51 2005 From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie@poetworld.net) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:31:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] IBM Ultranav question Message-ID: <438DE1CB.2060108@poetworld.net> Is anyone using the glidepad on an IBM Ultranav USB keyboard with a kernel > 2.6.10? My Ultranav keyboard and trackpoint work well, but the glidepad doesn't respond. If memory serves, all worked perfectly through the 2.6.10 series. I've applied the synaptics-usb-1-4rc1-for-2.6.13.patch. It produces a synaptics touchpad option which I've compiled into the kernel. Unfortunately, the glidepad still doesn't respond. This is a minor point with me as the keyboard works and I prefer using the trackpoint. However, I'd like the full package as it worked previously. Any thoughts would be appreciated. From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 30 11:52:14 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:53:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mythTV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511301152.14207.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 10:33 pm, Niels Gott wrote: > Anyone working on pvr projects? I just got my mythTV set up working, and > it's got some interesting quirks. Curious if anyone has experience with > it, or if there are other projects worth exploring. > > Thanks, > > Niels Gott No experience with MythTV but the December 2005 issue of Linux Journal has MythTV as its cover story. Included is an article in the Features section entitled "A Linux DVR is No Myth -- It's MythTV" and one in the InDepth section entitled "Advanced MythTV Video Processing". Might help with information and pointers to information. Jack -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 13:00:04 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Nov 30 13:01:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mobo and cpu recommendations Message-ID: <65293fcc0511301100k65e788e3kefeebdf381875d4d@mail.gmail.com> Hiya- looking for recommendations for a mobo/cpu combo. Would like to stick around $300 and reuse some DDR400 (2 x 1Gb sticks) I have. AMD, Intel, Dual, single - does not matter - this is a linux only system so I would like to get something that is linux compatible.... sooo many choices out there !! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/bb1eb2bd/attachment.htm From jimdscott at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 13:58:33 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Wed Nov 30 13:59:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mobo and cpu recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0511301100k65e788e3kefeebdf381875d4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0511301100k65e788e3kefeebdf381875d4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just build a system for my mother in law based on products from NewEgg. I went with an AMD Semperon 64 processor and installed the 64 bit version of Fedora Core 4. I bought an MSI barebones system ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101238) that accepts DDR400 RAM. I spent $130 on the case, mobo, and processor. On 11/30/05, John Meier wrote: > > Hiya- > > looking for recommendations for a mobo/cpu combo. Would like to stick > around $300 and reuse some DDR400 (2 x 1Gb sticks) I have. AMD, Intel, > Dual, single - does not matter - this is a linux only system so I would like > to get something that is linux compatible.... sooo many choices out there > !! > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/6f0a5504/attachment.htm From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 14:12:12 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Nov 30 14:13:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mobo and cpu recommendations In-Reply-To: <438E0678.2060200@plauditdesign.com> References: <65293fcc0511301100k65e788e3kefeebdf381875d4d@mail.gmail.com> <438E0678.2060200@plauditdesign.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0511301212t4ec39f4i472a9c7ef3bfcdbf@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/05, Matt Dittbenner wrote: > > Personally, I'd choose an Athlon 64 socket 939 (the 3000+ is reasonably > priced...$158 retail at General Nanosystems) and an Asus mobo. I'd strongly > reccommend socket 939 for future-proofing...you'll be able upgrade your > processor more easily. Asus has always done well for me...I've never had an > Asus mobo die on me (sample size of about 15) and I've had 2 MSI boards die > (sample size of about 5)...one within 2 weeks of purchase. I'd also > recommend you go with the nVidia nForce 4 chipset. What is the purpose of > this machine...desktop, media center, server? This will be my main workstation I use for working from home. My old HP intel 866 Mhz is too slow! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/6f5714ae/attachment.htm From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 18:01:17 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Nov 30 18:01:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reinstall of windows on a dual boot Message-ID: <65293fcc0511301601l3d2f636ci65eca437e8b2b0cc@mail.gmail.com> Yo- All of a sudden windows won't boot on my dual boot mepis/win2k laptop - which I use for work when I'm not at my home office. I don't use win2k much - but there are times when I have to. the error is that the system file is corrupt or some crap like that - the recovery is to load the default system file using the recovery console and since I did not have a back up of the "system" file I'm stuck with a registry that is 3 years old - aka reinstall everything again. So "f" that. I'm going to reload windows but I'm concerned about my linux partition. On dual boot linux/win system I've always done the win part first then the linux - now I'm face with letting windows do what it will with the hard disk and I don't know how that will effect the linux part. Any pointers here? thanks everyone! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/b24206cf/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 18:35:01 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed Nov 30 18:35:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reinstall of windows on a dual boot In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0511301601l3d2f636ci65eca437e8b2b0cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0511301601l3d2f636ci65eca437e8b2b0cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0511301635s624a9e9scade3b0479fc8274@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/05, John Meier wrote: > > On dual boot linux/win system I've always done the win part first then the > linux - now I'm face with letting windows do what it will with the hard disk > and I don't know how that will effect the linux part. Any pointers here? > After you install Windows, go into a chroot jail of your linux root partition (booting from a live cd) and run either lilo or grub-install to recreate your boot partition. There are parameters that you can set to tell it where the config file is without going into the chroot jail.. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051130/a0a7f206/attachment.htm