From thecubic at thecubic.net Thu Sep 1 02:07:21 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Thu Sep 1 02:05:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wireless bridge? to tie one network to another In-Reply-To: <431689F8.5050308@mchsi.com> References: <43162E93.10605@mchsi.com> <200508312314.13273.thecubic@thecubic.net> <431689F8.5050308@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200509010207.24538.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Wednesday 31 August 2005 23:56, you wrote: > Dave Carlson wrote: > > I bought two Asus wireless bridges (WL-330g) for $50 each to use with a > > WRT54G; they've worked great. One is connected to a switch (with 'clone > > mac address' off), it works well as a wireless bridge. It can also work > > in access point mode. > > > > I've tried wireless bridging with WRT54Gs, and it hasn't worked near as > > well as the Asus bridge. > > > > -dave > > dave, > so, if I buy one of these, put it in the garage and plug it into my > hub/switch for the garage network, it'll just work? Yes. You have to configure it if you're not using an open access point (and then it might find your neighbor's if their signal is stronger), which you can do by accessing the built-in web interface from the ethernet port at 192.168.1.1. It does WEP and WPA-PSK. -dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050901/ae333fe8/attachment.pgp From rharding at msufame.msu.edu Thu Sep 1 07:38:45 2005 From: rharding at msufame.msu.edu (Richard Harding) Date: Thu Sep 1 07:39:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] any experience with Debian Sarge & Dell 39160 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <1125578326.7215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm looking at replacing an old P3 server with a new Dell 2850. I want to setup a raid 5 on it and as I've never setup raid on Linux before I wanted to see if anyone has had any problems with the 39160 SCSI controller this box seems to have with debian sarge? I have 2 other debian machines on the network, but they're small boxes running backup web/dns/squid services and this machine is my main email/web/spam filtering box so I really want to beef up the hardware while I have the chance with this new box. I can't seem to find much via google for debian and the 39160, the debian hardware list just says the kernel comes with support for most SCSI devices, and I can't seem to find any sort of equivalent to the linux laptops site for servers. Thanks for any tips/experiences you can share. Rick From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Sep 1 07:57:10 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu Sep 1 07:57:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] any experience with Debian Sarge & Dell 39160 SCSI controller? In-Reply-To: <1125578326.7215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1125578326.7215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Richard Harding wrote: > I'm looking at replacing an old P3 server with a new Dell 2850. I want > to setup a raid 5 on it and as I've never setup raid on Linux before I > wanted to see if anyone has had any problems with the 39160 SCSI > controller this box seems to have with debian sarge? I have 2 other > debian machines on the network, but they're small boxes running backup > web/dns/squid services and this machine is my main email/web/spam > filtering box so I really want to beef up the hardware while I have the > chance with this new box. An Adaptec 39160 should work just fine with Linux (including Debian, of course). On the other hand, you're *much* better off buying the hardware RAID controller for that box, and using that, instead of doing software RAID on the 39160. It'll make recovery when a disk dies much cleaner. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From sphinx at indymedia.org Thu Sep 1 18:27:26 2005 From: sphinx at indymedia.org (sphinx) Date: Thu Sep 1 18:57:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Comptia Linux+ Certification Message-ID: <20050902012726.7vuv1a54l1fcwkws@webmail2.nadir.org> Hello! I'm new in the area; does anyone have an idea where one could go to register and take the Comptia Linux+ Certification in or near St.louis Park area. Thanks Sphinx From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Sep 1 19:33:47 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Sep 1 19:33:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Comptia Linux+ Certification In-Reply-To: <20050902012726.7vuv1a54l1fcwkws@webmail2.nadir.org> References: <20050902012726.7vuv1a54l1fcwkws@webmail2.nadir.org> Message-ID: <43179DEB.4050201@rosengren.org> sphinx wrote: >Hello! I'm new in the area; does anyone have an idea where one could go to >register and take the Comptia Linux+ Certification in or near St.louis Park >area. > > Welcome to the area. The best place to find the information you're looking for is likely the Comptia website, at http://www.comptia.org/certification/linux/default.aspx (also, the first result in a google search on the topic). -- jeremy From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Sep 1 22:46:59 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Sep 1 22:47:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. Message-ID: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, but I missed it. Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back to the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for which I have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to the list. Thanks, -- jeremy From poptix at poptix.net Thu Sep 1 23:07:23 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:07:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <1125634043.3547.3.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> The solution is easy, use reply to all and do not trim the CC/To list. On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 22:46 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, but > I missed it. > > Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back to > the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for which I > have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to the list. Some insane person (Bob) thought it was a good idea. =) From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Sep 1 23:09:58 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:11:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <1125634043.3547.3.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> <1125634043.3547.3.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <4317D096.3090702@rosengren.org> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >The solution is easy, use reply to all and do not trim the CC/To list. > >On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 22:46 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > >>This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, but >>I missed it. >> >>Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back to >>the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for which I >>have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to the list. >> >> > >Some insane person (Bob) thought it was a good idea. =) > > > > Except that since I don't reply often, I don't remember to reply all until I've already started my response. Then I have to start over, if I care enough that my response gets to the list. Ultimately, not a big deal, it's just annoying. -- jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050901/aedf4731/attachment.htm From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Thu Sep 1 23:23:08 2005 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:23:46 2005 Subject: cc: Re: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. Message-ID: <2005090204230868bd1bf3a8@mail.smumn.edu> If it wasn't a big deal, it wouln,t be annoying then? ~Dave On Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:09 PM, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > >Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:09:58 -0500 >From: Jeremy Rosengren >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. > >Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >>The solution is easy, use reply to all and do not trim the CC/To list. >> >>On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 22:46 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: >> >> >>>This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, but >>>I missed it. >>> >>>Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back to >>>the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for which I >>>have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to the list. >>> >>> >> >>Some insane person (Bob) thought it was a good idea. =) >> >> >> >> >Except that since I don't reply often, I don't remember to reply all >until I've already started my response. Then I have to start over, if I >care enough that my response gets to the list. > >Ultimately, not a big deal, it's just annoying. > >-- jeremy > Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've been bombing over the years been complaining? -George Wallace "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Sep 1 23:25:28 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:27:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:46:59 -0500 Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, > but I missed it. > > Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back > to the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for > which I have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to > the list. Oh boy - here we go. Here are two separate viewpoints: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml Personally as an amateur MTA admin, the idea of munging the mailing list headers doesn't appeal to me. any MUA worth the trouble will have a "Reply To List" option since the mailing list information is in separate headers, not just the Reply-To - for example on TCLUG: Return-Path: Delivered-To: josh@trutwins.homeip.net Received: (qmail 19215 invoked by uid 5033); 2 Sep 2005 03:52:36 -0000 ^^^^^ yeah! :P From: Jeremy Rosengren This is who'd be in the To: address if I hit "Reply To" since there isn't a "Reply-To:" header with TCLUG messages. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ good MUA choice Jeremy. List-Post: I think this is the one that would tell an MUA to enable a "Reply to List" option. Is it right / wrong? I can't say, but I personally don't care for reply-to munging, but I deal with it on mailing lists that choose to do so. Josh From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Sep 1 23:27:27 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:27:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <2005090204230868bd1bf3a8@mail.smumn.edu> References: <2005090204230868bd1bf3a8@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <4317D4AF.2060600@rosengren.org> Dave Alanis wrote: >If it wasn't a big deal, it wouln,t be annoying then? > >~Dave > > > And here's why I don't read the long, rambling arguments that spring up on this list from time to time...it doesn't take long for somebody to get "philosophically superior" about things. Yes, for the record, something can be annoying while not being a big deal. Big deal = will I lose sleep over it? No. Therefore it's not a big deal. Annoying = am I bothered by the fact that I reply infrequently enough that I forget that I have to reply all to get the message on the list? Yes. Therefore it's annoying. It only took 3 replies for this thread to become useless. Congratulations. -- jeremy From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Sep 1 23:43:14 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:43:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> Message-ID: <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> Josh Trutwin wrote: >On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:46:59 -0500 >Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > > >>This was probably talked about ad nauseum when the change was made, >>but I missed it. >> >>Why is the TCLUG list not configured with a reply-to that sends back >>to the list? This is the only mailing list subscription I have for >>which I have to do a reply all in order to get the message back to >>the list. >> >> > >Oh boy - here we go. > >Here are two separate viewpoints: > >http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > >http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml > > > So it's somewhat of a purity vs. ease-of-use argument. This is the only list of the 20 (- 5-10 that I've unsubscribed from) that I subscribe to that does this, however. Are there other people on this list who subscribe to a lot of other mailing lists that are configured the way the TCLUG list is? -- jeremy p.s. I got an email from Dave Alanis saying his response was meant to be taken humorously. Sorry I misinterpreted. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050901/a12432a2/attachment-0001.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 2 00:12:29 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:13:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <20050902051229.GB9912@wookimus.net> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:43:14PM -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > So it's somewhat of a purity vs. ease-of-use argument. This is the > only list of the 20 (- 5-10 that I've unsubscribed from) that I > subscribe to that does this, however. I find that hard to believe, but this all depends upon what types of lists you belong to. In my experience, lists with technical users generally shy away from Reply-To munging. I get PISSED off when I have to kill and email draft because the To: field didn't get populated with the original sender of the email. If I reply, I want to reply to the sender. If I Reply All, I want to reply to the list. It seems very logical. Reply All == List. Reply == Invidual. Why screw with logic? > Are there other people on this list who subscribe to a lot of other > mailing lists that are configured the way the TCLUG list is? 90% of them are configured as TCLUG is. And for the ones that aren't, I un-munge them with procmail. Basically, if the To: and Reply-To: are the same, kill the Reply-To. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Sep 2 00:15:37 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:15:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <20050902001537.000020cf@prokofiev> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:43:14 -0500 Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > So it's somewhat of a purity vs. ease-of-use argument. This is the > only list of the 20 (- 5-10 that I've unsubscribed from) that I > subscribe to that does this, however. Are there other people on > this list who subscribe to a lot of other mailing lists that are > configured the way the TCLUG list is? I just checked a few of the ML's I'm subscribed to (or was at some point): MySQL - no Reply To qmail - no Reply To squirrelmail - Reply To munging tcphp - no Reply To SuSE Oracle - no Reply To Spamassassin - no Reply To CUPS - Reply To Munging Josh From jgschenz at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 00:23:29 2005 From: jgschenz at yahoo.com (J. Gabriel Schenz) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:22:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samsung CLP-510 on SuSE 9.3 Pro setup problems. Message-ID: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> Hello all. First time post here, so be patient. I am trying to install a new printer that I purchased the other day. When I purchased it, I looked at the literature that was associated with the printer, and it said that it was compatible with Linux. (So much for truth in advertising, eh?) Perhaps that last non-parenthetical phrase should be in finger-quotes ("compatible with Linux"). It is a Samsung CLP-510, which I picked up at Best Buy. I thought it a great bargain for a color laser printer with duplexing. Unfortunately, it does not install easily. (That is code for "I can't figure it out.") I am running SuSE 9.3 Pro on an Intel P3 667MHz processor with 256MB ram. I am trying to install through Cups, and I downloaded the latest stable Cups release and did a configure; make; make install. I have the ppd file from the cd that came with the printer, the Samsung web site, and one that I got from someone that posted to google groups saying that they had this particular printer and that it worked fine for him. Still no luck. Does anyone on this list have the expertise that I am sorely lacking? I would greatly appreciate any help that could be provided. Thanks much. -Gabe From jeremy at rosengren.org Fri Sep 2 00:31:07 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Fri Sep 2 00:31:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Reply-to the list. In-Reply-To: <20050902051229.GB9912@wookimus.net> References: <4317CB33.8090401@rosengren.org> <20050901232528.00001261@prokofiev> <4317D862.5050707@rosengren.org> <20050902051229.GB9912@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4317E39B.3000906@rosengren.org> Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:43:14PM -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > >>So it's somewhat of a purity vs. ease-of-use argument. This is the >>only list of the 20 (- 5-10 that I've unsubscribed from) that I >>subscribe to that does this, however. >> >> > >I find that hard to believe, but this all depends upon what types of >lists you belong to. In my experience, lists with technical users >generally shy away from Reply-To munging. I get PISSED off when I >have to kill and email draft because the To: field didn't get >populated with the original sender of the email. If I reply, I want >to reply to the sender. If I Reply All, I want to reply to the list. >It seems very logical. Reply All == List. Reply == Invidual. Why >screw with logic? > > Fair enough. I went back and checked my lists again, and I think my percentages are skewed because of the number of RedHat mailing lists I subscribe to. RedHat's config munges Reply-To on all lists, even the technically-oriented ones. Some of the others I only read, but when I checked they were configured as TCLUG's list is. > > >>Are there other people on this list who subscribe to a lot of other >>mailing lists that are configured the way the TCLUG list is? >> >> > >90% of them are configured as TCLUG is. And for the ones that aren't, >I un-munge them with procmail. Basically, if the To: and Reply-To: >are the same, kill the Reply-To. > > > Before I return to lurking -- anybody have any idea if Thunderbird is going to get a Reply To List feature ever? Thanks, -- jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050902/7264b2e8/attachment.htm From harv.nelson at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 07:20:17 2005 From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson) Date: Fri Sep 2 07:21:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samsung CLP-510 on SuSE 9.3 Pro setup problems. In-Reply-To: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> References: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6a470a5f0509020520218474f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gabe, I had much the same problem with a Brother HL-1440 Laser printer ($90-Tiger direct) When trying to set it up via the KDE printer wizard (on a Debian system), it would always fail. I tried using the drivers marked "recommended". When I tried one of the other (not recommended) available drivers, it worked perfectly. As I recall it was the "GIMP" associated driver that failed. HTH Harv Washburn, WI On 9/3/05, J. Gabriel Schenz wrote: > > Hello all. First time post here, so be patient. > > I am trying to install a new printer that I purchased the other day. > When I purchased it, I looked at the literature that was associated with > the printer, and it said that it was compatible with Linux. (So much > for truth in advertising, eh?) Perhaps that last non-parenthetical > phrase should be in finger-quotes ("compatible with Linux"). It is a > Samsung CLP-510, which I picked up at Best Buy. I thought it a great > bargain for a color laser printer with duplexing. Unfortunately, it > does not install easily. (That is code for "I can't figure it out.") I > am running SuSE 9.3 Pro on an Intel P3 667MHz processor with 256MB ram. > I am trying to install through Cups, and I downloaded the latest stable > Cups release and did a configure; make; make install. I have the ppd > file from the cd that came with the printer, the Samsung web site, and > one that I got from someone that posted to google groups saying that > they had this particular printer and that it worked fine for him. Still > no luck. Does anyone on this list have the expertise that I am sorely > lacking? I would greatly appreciate any help that could be provided. > > Thanks much. > > -Gabe > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050902/0f2d8bd3/attachment.htm From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 2 09:52:20 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri Sep 2 09:53:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samsung CLP-510 on SuSE 9.3 Pro setup problems. In-Reply-To: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> References: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36788.69.180.189.56.1125672740.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> On Sat, September 3, 2005 12:23 am, J. Gabriel Schenz wrote: > Hello all. First time post here, so be patient. > > I am trying to install a new printer that I purchased the other day. > When I purchased it, I looked at the literature that was associated with > the printer, and it said that it was compatible with Linux. (So much > for truth in advertising, eh?) Perhaps that last non-parenthetical > phrase should be in finger-quotes ("compatible with Linux"). It is a > Samsung CLP-510, which I picked up at Best Buy. I thought it a great > bargain for a color laser printer with duplexing. Unfortunately, it > does not install easily. (That is code for "I can't figure it out.") I > am running SuSE 9.3 Pro on an Intel P3 667MHz processor with 256MB ram. > I am trying to install through Cups, and I downloaded the latest stable > Cups release and did a configure; make; make install. I have the ppd > file from the cd that came with the printer, the Samsung web site, and > one that I got from someone that posted to google groups saying that > they had this particular printer and that it worked fine for him. Still > no luck. Does anyone on this list have the expertise that I am sorely > lacking? I would greatly appreciate any help that could be provided. > > Thanks much. > > -Gabe Well according to the SUSE hardware compatibility database the Samsung CLP-500 is not supported. I would suspect the same for the CLP-510. That said I did a little exploring (via google) and found some references about things to try. You might check: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/alt.os.linux.suse/2005-04/1456.html This is the last message in a thread on the CLP-510. It implies mixed results, but might offer suggestions. Another reference I noticed was that the Xerox 6100/BD is just the CLP-510 with Xerox name on it. You might try the driver Xerox has available. Some notes (not encouraging) are here. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-CLP-500 Hope this helps. Jack Local SUSE bigot -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From admin at lctn.org Fri Sep 2 09:59:35 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Sep 2 09:59:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem Message-ID: <1584.64.8.148.29.1125673175.squirrel@lctn.org> I have a new sendmail install on fedora 3. It can receive and deliver mail from outside domains, and works properly for local mail, but all mail destined for external domains stays in the queue with deferred connection warnings. From the same box I can ping every domain name sendmail cannot deliver to. Simple problem, I'm sure:) Raymond From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Sep 2 10:02:45 2005 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:03:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samsung CLP-510 on SuSE 9.3 Pro setup problems. In-Reply-To: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> References: <43193351.2070704@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050902150245.GA3456@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 12:23:29AM -0500, J. Gabriel Schenz wrote: > Hello all. First time post here, so be patient. [Samsung CLP-510 woes snipped] There are a few relevant posts at http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-CLP-500 Although I realize you have a 510, not a 500. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From ksm at dogbrain.com Fri Sep 2 10:24:22 2005 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:25:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem In-Reply-To: <1584.64.8.148.29.1125673175.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <1584.64.8.148.29.1125673175.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4615.207.250.72.2.1125674662.squirrel@www.dogbrain.com> Raymond, Could you include one of the deferred connection warnings? - Karl Raymond Norton said: > I have a new sendmail install on fedora 3. It can receive and deliver mail > from outside domains, and works properly for local mail, but all mail > destined for external domains stays in the queue with deferred connection > warnings. From the same box I can ping every domain name sendmail cannot > deliver to. Simple problem, I'm sure:) > > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Fri Sep 2 10:27:28 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Sep 2 10:28:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem In-Reply-To: <4615.207.250.72.2.1125674662.squirrel@www.dogbrain.com> References: <1584.64.8.148.29.1125673175.squirrel@lctn.org> <4615.207.250.72.2.1125674662.squirrel@www.dogbrain.com> Message-ID: <1797.64.8.148.29.1125674848.squirrel@lctn.org> > Raymond, > > Could you include one of the deferred connection warnings? to=, ctladdr= (501/501), delay=00:02:01, xdelay=00:02:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=120480, relay=lctn.org. [64.8.148.3], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with lctn.org. From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Fri Sep 2 12:17:46 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Fri Sep 2 12:17:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] parted question Message-ID: <4318893A.4050305@mchsi.com> Hello tclugers, Just a silly question... can parted shrink a fat32 partition safely? nick ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 13:04:50 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:05:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] parted question In-Reply-To: <4318893A.4050305@mchsi.com> References: <4318893A.4050305@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da05090211043e7519c0@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/05, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Just a silly question... > can parted shrink a fat32 partition safely? Silly answer: Yes. From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 2 14:59:22 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri Sep 2 14:59:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone build firefox-1.0.6 from source? Message-ID: Hey all, Well, looks like debian/amd64 doesn't want to EVER get a newer version of Firefox (still at 1.0.4), so I tried building Firefox from scratch. I downloaded firefox-1.0.6-source.tar.bz2 from the Mozilla Project's website, beat it up a bit to build under gcc4, and finally got it to actually compile all the way - and it happily tells me that I'm running Firefox 1.0. "Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Copyright (c) 2004 mozilla.org" to be exact. I got the CVS version and it still says that. Anyone know what's up with that? Or if I should go to the current debian unstable release? -Yaron -- From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Sep 2 15:19:13 2005 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:20:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Tour Message-ID: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> Looks like Jeff Waugh will be traveling to major US cities to hawk some free Ubuntu stuff and talk about the distribution in general. We would need 20 interested people (ie: petition) to convince them to swing our direction -- plus NWA has to still be flying, but it might be worth trying to get lined up. I've not been following things lately but it doesn't look like the website for tclug has been updated in a while -- are there non-beer-meetings anymore? So reply to this mail, I'll get a webpage setup and tally up whomever is interested. I'll need to see if we can get a venue too, I'm still at the University but we usually had to work through student groups to get a room and the sort. I'm guessing I could ask ACM or talk to Eric in IMA about helping out. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadgerBadgerBadgerTour Thanks, -- Scott Dier From admin at lctn.org Fri Sep 2 15:50:52 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Sep 2 15:52:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem In-Reply-To: <4318B9D6.8030400@cruiskeen.com> References: <1584.64.8.148.29.1125673175.squirrel@lctn.org> <4318B9D6.8030400@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <4682.64.8.148.30.1125694252.squirrel@lctn.org> > Like as not your ISP prevents you from sending email on port 25 except > for delivery to their mail server. > > can you telnet on port 25 to the external mail servers? My guess is > that youre' going to time out when you try to do that. You may need to > forward all your mail through your ISP's mail relay. >> Raymond I am going to replace the firewall. It seems to be contributing to the problem. Upon restarting it many of the messages are able to be delivered from the queue. A few that should go never do leave the queue. From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 16:17:38 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:17:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone build firefox-1.0.6 from source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Start with `which firefox` or whatever the biniary is. You might have to bump /usr/local ahead of /usr in your bash config...or something. Last time I built it from source I did something like: apt-get build-deps firefox ./configure --path=/usr/local/mozilla-firefox fakeroot make sudo make install Wasn't all that difficult.... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From kcbnac at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 17:21:51 2005 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Fri Sep 2 17:21:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Tour In-Reply-To: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> References: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <32fd453705090215211c2f77cf@mail.gmail.com> I'm definitely interested - this is the distro that I've found to work the best, and easiest to setup and use (for the short use I have of any install of Linux - usually a result of time) and definitely interested in having a speaker/event here in the TC...U campus would work great if we can line up a space. I'm here in Minneapolis now, walking distance from Dinkytown so if an extra hand's needed, I'm nearby. (No, I don't attend the U of M though) Keith Bachman kcbnac@gmail.com +1.763.607.3210 On 9/2/05, Scott Dier wrote: > > Looks like Jeff Waugh will be traveling to major US cities to hawk some > free Ubuntu stuff and talk about the distribution in general. We would > need 20 interested people (ie: petition) to convince them to swing our > direction -- plus NWA has to still be flying, but it might be worth > trying to get lined up. > > I've not been following things lately but it doesn't look like the > website for tclug has been updated in a while -- are there > non-beer-meetings anymore? > > So reply to this mail, I'll get a webpage setup and tally up whomever is > interested. I'll need to see if we can get a venue too, I'm still at > the University but we usually had to work through student groups to get > a room and the sort. I'm guessing I could ask ACM or talk to Eric in > IMA about helping out. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadgerBadgerBadgerTour > > Thanks, > -- > Scott Dier > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050902/e2699724/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 2 17:25:17 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri Sep 2 17:25:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone build firefox-1.0.6 from source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Start with `which firefox` or whatever the biniary is. You might have > to bump /usr/local ahead of /usr in your bash config...or something. Nah, the package Firefox is installed in /usr/bin, I'm running the new one from /usr/local/src/mozilla/dist/bin. It's a different version than the installed one. > Last time I built it from source I did something like: > > apt-get build-deps firefox Never tried that. I just DLed the source... I'll give that a shot. -Yaron -- From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Fri Sep 2 17:41:27 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Fri Sep 2 17:41:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Tour In-Reply-To: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> References: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <4318D517.2010906@mchsi.com> Scott Dier wrote: > > So reply to this mail, I'll get a webpage setup and tally up whomever is > interested. I'll need to see if we can get a venue too, I'm still at > the University but we usually had to work through student groups to get > a room and the sort. I'm guessing I could ask ACM or talk to Eric in > IMA about helping out. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadgerBadgerBadgerTour > > Thanks, I'd definitely come, though I'm gentoo biased. Still, I'd come just to see some people and listen to the talk and stuff. For sure. nick ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Sep 3 22:26:56 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Sat Sep 3 22:26:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] xhost + what am I doing wrong? Message-ID: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> This seems so simple, it must be late. I'm trying to install Oracle on a solaris 10 box. I'm using a linux account to ssh / rsh into the Solaris account. I do things in this order: 1.) xhost + (on linux box) 2.) rsh oracle box and log in 3.) setenv DISPLAY linuxbox:0.0 4.) /usr/openwin/bin/xclock I get the standard: Error: Can't open display linuxbox:0.0 I need to run this @#$! Oracle Java installer remotely since this is on a headless server. I've tried ssh -X to the solaris box, but the installer seems to hang with that option. I just tried to replace the solaris box with an alternate linux box and I'm getting the same results. Is there something in the X11 configuration on the linux boxes that prevent is preventing this from working? Any help is most appreciated, thanks, Josh From thecubic at thecubic.net Sun Sep 4 00:30:48 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Sun Sep 4 00:28:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] xhost + what am I doing wrong? In-Reply-To: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> References: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> Message-ID: <200509040030.55859.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Saturday 03 September 2005 22:26, Josh Trutwin wrote: > This seems so simple, it must be late. > Error: Can't open display linuxbox:0.0 You may have some firewalling in your way, or your local X server doesn't listen on TCP. It's probably more of a pain to fix this then using ssh as below. > I need to run this @#$! Oracle Java installer remotely since this is > on a headless server. I've tried ssh -X to the solaris box, but the > installer seems to hang with that option. Try ssh -Y. -X only forwards untrusted X, which is probably crashing when the installer speaks trusted X. If that doesn't work, make sure the solaris machine has xauth and doesn't have X turned off in the ssh settings. -dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050904/ff98e071/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 4 02:34:48 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Sun Sep 4 02:36:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone build firefox-1.0.6 from source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509040234.49687@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Friday 02 September 2005 04:17 pm, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Start with `which firefox` or whatever the biniary is. You might have > to bump /usr/local ahead of /usr in your bash config...or something. > > Last time I built it from source I did something like: > > apt-get build-deps firefox > > ./configure --path=/usr/local/mozilla-firefox > fakeroot make > sudo make install > > Wasn't all that difficult.... I'd recommend build it in pbuilder, then you can be sure your local changes haven't made it into the package. I also recommend, if aren't going to use pbuilder: $ sudo apt-get build-debs firefox $ cd /var/tmp $ apt-get source firefox $ cd firefox-x.y.z $ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From silwenae at silwenae.com Sun Sep 4 08:18:59 2005 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Sun Sep 4 08:23:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Tour In-Reply-To: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> References: <4318B3C1.2070008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <431AF443.4010703@silwenae.com> Scott Dier wrote: > Looks like Jeff Waugh will be traveling to major US cities to hawk > some free Ubuntu stuff and talk about the distribution in general. We > would need 20 interested people (ie: petition) to convince them to > swing our direction -- plus NWA has to still be flying, but it might > be worth trying to get lined up. > > I've not been following things lately but it doesn't look like the > website for tclug has been updated in a while -- are there > non-beer-meetings anymore? > > So reply to this mail, I'll get a webpage setup and tally up whomever > is interested. I'll need to see if we can get a venue too, I'm still > at the University but we usually had to work through student groups to > get a room and the sort. I'm guessing I could ask ACM or talk to Eric > in IMA about helping out. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadgerBadgerBadgerTour > > Thanks, I'd absolutely be interested. I love Ubuntu and would love to see Jeff hit the Twin Cities. Paul From sfertch at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 09:44:25 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sun Sep 4 09:44:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] xhost + what am I doing wrong? In-Reply-To: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> References: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> Message-ID: <67f3084a05090407442b95dc82@mail.gmail.com> On 9/3/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > This seems so simple, it must be late. > > I'm trying to install Oracle on a solaris 10 box. I'm using a linux > account to ssh / rsh into the Solaris account. I do things in this > order: > > 1.) xhost + (on linux box) > 2.) rsh oracle box and log in > 3.) setenv DISPLAY linuxbox:0.0 > 4.) /usr/openwin/bin/xclock > > I get the standard: > > Error: Can't open display linuxbox:0.0 > > I need to run this @#$! Oracle Java installer remotely since this is > on a headless server. I've tried ssh -X to the solaris box, but the > installer seems to hang with that option. > > I just tried to replace the solaris box with an alternate linux box > and I'm getting the same results. Is there something in the X11 > configuration on the linux boxes that prevent is preventing this from > working? These are typical settings for all of my systems: /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: Port 22 Protocol 2 HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key PermitRootLogin no X11Forwarding yes /etc/ssh/ssh_config file: ForwardX11 yes Port 22 Protocol 2 Stop/start your SSH services and you should be good. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050904/12afc116/attachment.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Sep 4 10:58:53 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Sun Sep 4 10:58:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] xhost + what am I doing wrong? In-Reply-To: <200509040030.55859.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <20050903222656.00005a96@prokofiev> <200509040030.55859.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <20050904105853.000000aa@prokofiev> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:30:48 -0500 Dave Carlson wrote: > Try ssh -Y. -X only forwards untrusted X, which is probably > crashing when the installer speaks trusted X. If that doesn't > work, make sure the solaris machine has xauth and doesn't have X > turned off in the ssh settings. Thanks, that did it! Josh From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 10:48:29 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Sep 5 10:48:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Failed IDE drive Message-ID: <67f3084a0509050848ef07f51@mail.gmail.com> A friend of mine shipped me his HDD to try and recover the data from it. It was formatted as NTFS (Windows XP Home). I was able to mount it up and read a small portion of the data on my desktop via: /dev/hdd1 /corey ntfs ro 1 0 The intresting part was that the drive was reading 99% full. In talking to him, he said that he had no more than 20GB of data total on it. More of a side note I guess on this. So, I manage to pull some of the files he was after off. In the process I was getting file not found, zero fille data buffer, file type unknown errors. After I couldn't read the drive anymore, I powered my system down and removed the drive. I let it cool down some and put it in the freezer for 20 minutes. I managed to get more data off than before. After about 20 minutes, I wasn't able to read the drive again. Back in the freezer for another 20 minutes. Back into the system. On bootup, I started to get a musical type tone from the harddrive. I was able to read it for about 10 minutes, then it started in with the musical tones again anytime it was accessed. Couldn't get anymore data off at that time. I've tried a couple of different times to reaccess the drive, both at room temp and after being in the freezer for 20 minutes. The drive is completely undetectable on system bootup now, and consistently replays the tones. Is this something that I can try and put a different controller board on and see if I can access it? Or, is it completely dead now? For what it's worth, the drive specs are the following: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB ATA/133 If a different controller board can be put on this, does someone have a drive like this laying around, or can I use any controller board? Thanks. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050905/37b61aa6/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:53:08 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Sep 5 11:54:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Failed IDE drive In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0509050848ef07f51@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0509050848ef07f51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da050905095351a34bc3@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/05, Shawn Fertch wrote: > The intresting part was that the drive was reading 99% full. In talking to > him, he said that he had no more than 20GB of data total on it. More of a > side note I guess on this. An indication of a failing file system probably. > After about 20 minutes, I wasn't able to read the drive again. Back in the > freezer for another 20 minutes. Back into the system. On bootup, I started > to get a musical type tone from the harddrive. I was able to read it for > about 10 minutes, then it started in with the musical tones again anytime it > was accessed. Couldn't get anymore data off at that time. Congrats on getting the freezer trick to work, I've never been that lucky. > Is this something that I can try and put a different controller board on > and see if I can access it? Or, is it completely dead now? Maybe, but if the freezer trick works you're likely looking at platter/head problems inside the drive as opposed ot the onboard controller. Remember that often drives have different revisions, so you'll need to find the exact board revision if you're going to swap the controller. I have successfully recovered drives by swapping the controller boards, but again it's a game of finding the exact revision. In your case, I don't think that's going to help, but if the drive is unreadable, you can't really make it worse by trying :-) -Brian From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Sep 5 13:47:25 2005 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Sep 5 13:48:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Read errors on RAID 5 array Message-ID: <000001c5b24a$420d5060$0439a8c0@Kurama> I have a AMD system with 3 200G and 1 250G hard drive arranged in a 4 drive RAID 5 array. The 250G drive is connected to the /dev/hda, a DVD-RW on /dev/hdc, the other 200G drives in /dev/hde, /dev/hdg and /dev/hdi. Two of the controllers are ATA100/133 and the last is ATA66. /dev/hdi is connected to the ATA66 controller. I have reiserfs on /dev/md0 using the entire array. With this setup I have a read problem accessing files on the array. If I do an md5sum on a file less then 200M it is fine. If I md5sum on a file greater then 200M the results change every time I run it. Checking dmesg hda, hde and hdg are UDMA(100) and hdi is UDMA(66). /proc/mdstat shows the array as clean with all drives mounted. Any idea of what can be causing this problem? Some history the array was built in degraded mode with hda, hde and hdg only. The data was copied over and a cmp was done on the original and copied data to insure it copied correctly. After the data move was verified. I took down the 2 disk lvm array and put one of the drives in the RAID 5 array as hdi. I then did a hot add of the new drive to complete the array. Joseph Key From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Mon Sep 5 15:45:26 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Mon Sep 5 15:45:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] compaq armada m700? any tclugers have one? Message-ID: <431CAE66.6020701@mchsi.com> I got a nice 1ghz compaq armada m700. it's very slick looking and I am getting more and more of the hardware working, X is up and so i am pleased... still have gotten my netgear ma111 version 1 usb wireless adapter working... would appreciate any help on that. nick -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Mon Sep 5 16:42:47 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Mon Sep 5 16:42:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card, anyone using one? any help? Message-ID: <431CBBD7.5030704@mchsi.com> I am using gentoo and am having trouble getting this card going. Anyone using any distro out there that can help me? nick -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Sep 5 18:05:21 2005 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:06:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card, anyone using one? any help? In-Reply-To: <431CBBD7.5030704@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001201c5b26e$4e6b03b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> What are you trying for software? Have you looked at ndiswrappers to use the windows drivers? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:43 PM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card,anyone using one? > any help? > > I am using gentoo and am having trouble getting this card going. Anyone > using any distro out there that can help me? > > nick > -- > ------------------------------ > nick thompson > > all unix all the time. > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Tue Sep 6 09:14:39 2005 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:16:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Read errors on RAID 5 array In-Reply-To: <000001c5b24a$420d5060$0439a8c0@Kurama> References: <000001c5b24a$420d5060$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <431DA44F.9030809@msoe.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Umm you can't have different sized drives in the same raid 5 array. Think about it, how would stripping and parity and everything work. My guess is the 250GB id causing you problems, remove that drive from the array and rebuild the array if needed, and all should be well. If you really want to use the 250GB drive, make a 200GB partition on it, and then add the 200GB partition to the array and you are free to use the remaining 50GB for whatever, maybe LVM. ~J Joseph Key wrote: > I have a AMD system with 3 200G and 1 250G hard drive arranged in a 4 drive > RAID 5 array. The 250G drive is connected to the /dev/hda, a DVD-RW on > /dev/hdc, the other 200G drives in /dev/hde, /dev/hdg and /dev/hdi. Two of > the controllers are ATA100/133 and the last is ATA66. /dev/hdi is connected > to the ATA66 controller. I have reiserfs on /dev/md0 using the entire array. > With this setup I have a read problem accessing files on the array. If I do > an md5sum on a file less then 200M it is fine. If I md5sum on a file greater > then 200M the results change every time I run it. Checking dmesg hda, hde > and hdg are UDMA(100) and hdi is UDMA(66). /proc/mdstat shows the array as > clean with all drives mounted. Any idea of what can be causing this problem? > > Some history the array was built in degraded mode with hda, hde and hdg > only. The data was copied over and a cmp was done on the original and copied > data to insure it copied correctly. After the data move was verified. I took > down the 2 disk lvm array and put one of the drives in the RAID 5 array as > hdi. I then did a hot add of the new drive to complete the array. > > Joseph Key > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > - -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDHaRPQkF4UQaOvSoRAnKiAJ9K7/fWIQ0tTmFJHiF/Sd6klanpKgCg1aVH eL6I1lQGDDpc80ej+Q5aDxA= =FDR9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Sep 6 09:31:13 2005 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:32:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Read errors on RAID 5 array In-Reply-To: <431DA44F.9030809@msoe.edu> Message-ID: <000001c5b2ef$a2d5dde0$0439a8c0@Kurama> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Kline [mailto:klinej@msoe.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:15 AM > To: Joseph Key > Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Read errors on RAID 5 array > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Umm you can't have different sized drives in the same raid 5 array. > Think about it, how would stripping and parity and everything work. My > guess is the 250GB id causing you problems, remove that drive from the > array and rebuild the array if needed, and all should be well. If you > really want to use the 250GB drive, make a 200GB partition on it, and > then add the 200GB partition to the array and you are free to use the > remaining 50GB for whatever, maybe LVM. > > ~J > I'm only using 200G of the 250G drive the rest is being used for the operating system. The actual partition used is hda4 which is 200G. Joseph Key From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:47:02 2005 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Tue Sep 6 09:48:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card, anyone using one? any help? In-Reply-To: <001201c5b26e$4e6b03b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> References: <431CBBD7.5030704@mchsi.com> <001201c5b26e$4e6b03b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <1469cda205090607474bfe00e5@mail.gmail.com> though i no longer have it, i used that card under slackware for quite a while without any big problems. I used the driver provided by the linux-wlan project (ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/). is there any specific problem you're having or the thing just won't work? tom johnson On 9/5/05, Joseph Key wrote: > What are you trying for software? Have you looked at ndiswrappers to use the > windows drivers? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:43 PM > > To: TCLUG List > > Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card,anyone using one? > > any help? > > > > I am using gentoo and am having trouble getting this card going. Anyone > > using any distro out there that can help me? > > > > nick > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > nick thompson > > > > all unix all the time. > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 15:34:47 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Tue Sep 6 15:34:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] netgear ma111 v1 usb wireless card, anyone using one? any help? In-Reply-To: <1469cda205090607474bfe00e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <431CBBD7.5030704@mchsi.com> <001201c5b26e$4e6b03b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> <1469cda205090607474bfe00e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c825305090613346a03cb2e@mail.gmail.com> I'm using linux-wlan-ng under Debian with a usb device. What are you having problems with? -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050906/acf30a29/attachment.htm From sphinx at indymedia.org Wed Sep 7 02:34:51 2005 From: sphinx at indymedia.org (sphinx) Date: Wed Sep 7 02:35:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux Message-ID: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> Hello all! I'm having trouble with my IBM Laptop T22 and I when to Micro Centre in St.Louis Park to have them make a back-up for my important data in the machine. They said they can't becuase the harddisk is linux formatted. I got linux suse 9.3 on the machine. Does anyone here know any place around the Twin Cities area were I could go and have my data backed-up despite my hard disk being linux formatted. Thanks for any help Sphinx From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 04:37:14 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed Sep 7 04:37:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux In-Reply-To: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> References: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> Message-ID: <67f3084a05090702377577df22@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, sphinx wrote: > > Hello all! I'm having trouble with my IBM Laptop T22 and I when to Micro > Centre > in St.Louis Park to have them make a back-up for my important data in the > machine. They said they can't becuase the harddisk is linux formatted. I > got > linux suse 9.3 on the machine. Does anyone here know any place around the > Twin > Cities area were I could go and have my data backed-up despite my hard > disk > being linux formatted. > Thanks for any help > Sphinx > Could buy a USB external drive and back it up yourself. Would be your best best, and you can have ongoing backups going into the future. To answer your question though, not sure of it offhand. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050907/b3b5f865/attachment.html From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Wed Sep 7 05:02:05 2005 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Wed Sep 7 05:03:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux In-Reply-To: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> References: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> Message-ID: <20050907050205.3baa239c@jthink.zeroink.com> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:34:51 +0200 sphinx wrote: > Hello all! I'm having trouble with my IBM Laptop T22 and I when to > Micro Centre in St.Louis Park to have them make a back-up for my > important data in the machine. They said they can't becuase the > harddisk is linux formatted. I got linux suse 9.3 on the machine. Does > anyone here know any place around the Twin Cities area were I could go > and have my data backed-up despite my hard disk being linux formatted. Yay! Micro Center .. sigh. Perhaps someone else can chime in with a specific answer to your question of a for-pay local solution. Can you describe the "trouble"? Does it power on? AFA backups, I would suggest an alternative, if you have another machine at home/work, that being: Try 'g4u' - it's can be found, along with many* other tools on: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ >From http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ --> [quote] g4u ("ghost for unix") is a NetBSD-based bootfloppy/CD-ROM that allows easy cloning of PC harddisks to deploy a common setup on a number of PCs using FTP. The floppy/CD offers two functions. [/quote] It comes to mind, because I just used it to dump some dusty old drives, while I had a new PC opened up. -- Or, you could buy an adapter and backup/diagnose it in a desktop machine. local suggestion: http://nanosys1.com/con-hd-mide-ide.html Anyway, just a couple thoughts .. -Jay From JREYNOLDS5 at mn.rr.com Wed Sep 7 08:52:18 2005 From: JREYNOLDS5 at mn.rr.com (JREYNOLDS5@mn.rr.com) Date: Wed Sep 7 08:53:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux Message-ID: <340a9d33990a.33990a340a9d@rdc-kc.rr.com> Geeksquad at 50th and France might be able to rescue your data. They use linux to do some rescues. 612.922.9288. Ontrack is another option and would be pretty expensive. Did you just format your drive or did you write to your drive after formatting it? If you have written to the drive since formatting it you may have overwritten the data your after. ----- Original Message ----- From: sphinx Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:34 am Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux > Hello all! I'm having trouble with my IBM Laptop T22 and I when to > Micro Centre > in St.Louis Park to have them make a back-up for my important data > in the > machine. They said they can't becuase the harddisk is linux > formatted. I got > linux suse 9.3 on the machine. Does anyone here know any place > around the Twin > Cities area were I could go and have my data backed-up despite my > hard disk > being linux formatted. > Thanks for any help > Sphinx > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:04:17 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed Sep 7 09:05:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Need info on a computers repairs shop that works with linux In-Reply-To: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> References: <20050907093451.21jeummz9db4gww4@webmail.nadir.org> Message-ID: <47f4d5e705090707047fdd6791@mail.gmail.com> I do this type of work myself through The Tech Outfit, LLC (www.thetechoutfit.com). I've had experience with different distributions (including SuSE) on both desktops and laptops. Feel free to email me at donovan@thetechoutfit.com or give me a call at 612-605-8383. On 9/7/05, sphinx wrote: > Hello all! I'm having trouble with my IBM Laptop T22 and I when to Micro Centre > in St.Louis Park to have them make a back-up for my important data in the > machine. They said they can't becuase the harddisk is linux formatted. I got > linux suse 9.3 on the machine. Does anyone here know any place around the Twin > Cities area were I could go and have my data backed-up despite my hard disk > being linux formatted. > Thanks for any help > Sphinx > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 12:42:44 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Thu Sep 8 12:44:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Pager Service Message-ID: <579c6fd30509081042430b7e5b@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a pager service? I'm looking for something that will allow me to setup a queue of numbers for all the techs and will call them in that order. It will skip to the next person if the page hasn't been answered in say 10 minutes. It would be best if it worked with cell phones, but if I need to buy pagers, I can live with that too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050908/6fe6bde0/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Sep 8 12:46:37 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Sep 8 12:47:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509081746.j88Hkba22584@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Samsung Laser Printers I have two new Samsung Laser printers in box never used. Description: # True 600 dpi delivers crisp, clean documents. At 600 x 600 dots per inch, your text and graphics will come out razor-sharp, giving you high-quality, professional-looking results time after time. # Speedy printing up to 17 ppm black. Why wait for a slow printer? Using Samsung's Smart GDI language, the ML-1740 will give you strikingly clear prints at a speed that won't slow you down. # Compact 7 4/5"H x 14 1/5"W x 14 3/5"D size maximizes desk space. This smartly styled printer sports a streamlined design that will allow you to keep it within easy reach without sacrificing significant desk or shelf space. # 8MB memory handles large print jobs. Your new printer comes with 8MB of standard memory, allowing it to process even bulky documents and more complex projects without a hitch. # Convenient 250-sheet cassette tray with one-sheet manual slot. With a tray capable of holding half a ream of paper, you'll waste less time adding sheets, freeing up time for more important tasks. Or you can manually feed one sheet of specially headed paper through a slot on the front of the printer. # Dependable — up to 15,000 pages per month. This reliable printer is designed to process an impressive 15,000 pages each month, allowing you to produce hefty documents without fear of overtaxing your machine. # TonerSave button increases toner capacity up to 40%. This exclusive feature allows you to utilize toner more efficiently and significantly reduce your per-page cost. Great for processing draft documents or printing out e-mails. # Versatile! Prints on index cards, labels, envelopes. The super-capable ML-1740 can solve a variety of everyday problems by printing on 3" x 5" index cards, labels, envelopes and sheets up to legal size. # Easy PC connection via USB or parallel. Your new printer has both USB 1.1 and parallel ports, giving you the ability to connect quickly and easily to almost any computer. "I just installed this printer under SuSE 9.2 using the supplied CDROM. I am using USB and CUPS and it installed fine with one exception. When I started yast to configure CUPS and the printer, it knew that the database had been updated (the Samsung CDROM), however I did NOT get a selection for the Samsung ML-1740 PPD. I used the ML-1710 PPD file and it worked fine. This might be a SuSE thing?" Anyone interested please call 952-486-3158 or send e-mail to canito @ dalan .us Price is nogotiable! Seller Email address: DALANIS at HOTMAIL dot COM http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:01:18 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu Sep 8 13:02:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Pager Service In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30509081042430b7e5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30509081042430b7e5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/8/05, EP wrote: > Can anyone recommend a pager service? > > I'm looking for something that will allow me to setup a queue of numbers > for all the techs and will call them in that order. It will skip to the > next person if the page hasn't been answered in say 10 minutes. It would be > best if it worked with cell phones, but if I need to buy pagers, I can live > with that too. I can't recommend any paging service, cause I usually homebrew this sort of thing myself... Do your tech's phones support text messaging or email? If so, it would be pretty trivial to write up a little app (web or otherwise) that would send out pages to the techs instead of calling them... From shane_labarthe at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 13:23:39 2005 From: shane_labarthe at yahoo.com (Shane Labarthe) Date: Thu Sep 8 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Pager Service In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30509081042430b7e5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050908182339.43380.qmail@web53607.mail.yahoo.com> You might want to check out OTRS. I don't know if it will do everything that you want it to do, but it might have enough features to be of use. http://freshmeat.net/projects/otrs/ Best Regards, Shane Labarthe --- EP wrote: > Can anyone recommend a pager service? > > I'm looking for something that will allow me to > setup a queue of numbers for > all the techs and will call them in that order. It > will skip to the next > person if the page hasn't been answered in say 10 > minutes. It would be best > if it worked with cell phones, but if I need to buy > pagers, I can live with > that too. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:35:41 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Thu Sep 8 13:36:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Pager Service In-Reply-To: <20050908182339.43380.qmail@web53607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <579c6fd30509081042430b7e5b@mail.gmail.com> <20050908182339.43380.qmail@web53607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd305090811353d3fdaa1@mail.gmail.com> FIRST: I apologize to Erik for the tripple post.... I mostly blame gmail for the double email, but I'll take part of the blame for not hitting Reply-ALL. The pager service is for our customers to call us in case of an after hours emergency. If there is a simple homebrew solution for this that's great, but I need reliability, I need it idiot proof, and I have little to no time to invest in it. I also don't think an email solution will work for all of our customers since many of them don't have/use email. Sad, I know. I would rather it be hosted offsite by another company because if our location is having problems than chances are our homebrew solution would also be having problems. thanks. On 9/8/05, Shane Labarthe wrote: > > You might want to check out OTRS. I don't know if it > will do everything that you want it to do, but it > might have enough features to be of use. > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/otrs/ > > > Best Regards, > Shane Labarthe > > > > --- EP wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a pager service? > > > > I'm looking for something that will allow me to > > setup a queue of numbers for > > all the techs and will call them in that order. It > > will skip to the next > > person if the page hasn't been answered in say 10 > > minutes. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050908/937df065/attachment.htm From tommyj27 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 14:15:42 2005 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Thu Sep 8 14:16:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] ext filesystem size doesn't match available space Message-ID: <1469cda205090812155401ed52@mail.gmail.com> i have 3 120GB ide drives that i've been using in a server as a software raid array. before i had multiple arrays set up on the disks (for /, /home, /usr, etc.). This morning I wiped the drives and set them back up as a single large array, formatted as ext2. When I mounted the new filesystem and checked the available space on the array i got this: root@yura:/mnt/hd# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on --snip-- /dev/md/0 221G 20K 209G 1% /home now, it's been a while since i had to count higher than requires taking off my socks and counting toes, but i don't think 20K used + 209G Available = 221G. I looked around some and found that ext2 supports a 16TB fs (w/ 4k blocks), googling doesn't seem to turn up any limits imposed by the software raid. the partition tables for the three drives looks like so: Disk /dev/hdc: 122.9 GB, 122942324736 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14946 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 1 14593 117218241 fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/hdc2 14594 14946 2835472+ 82 Linux swap Disk /dev/hdg: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdg1 1 14593 117218241 fd Linux raid autodetect Disk /dev/hdh: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdh1 1 14593 117218241 fd Linux raid autodetect Disk /dev/md0: 240.0 GB, 240062038016 bytes 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 58608896 cylinders Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes --------------------------------------------- and running tune2fs -l /dev/md0 shows the following (after adding a journal with -j): root@yura:/mnt/hd# tune2fs -l /dev/md0 tune2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) Filesystem volume name: Last mounted on: Filesystem UUID: 802e74b4-12a3-4d87-9cf6-f0c071f9743b Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53 Filesystem revision #: 1 (dynamic) Filesystem features: has_journal filetype needs_recovery sparse_super Default mount options: (none) Filesystem state: clean Errors behavior: Continue Filesystem OS type: Linux Inode count: 29310976 Block count: 58608896 Reserved block count: 2930444 Free blocks: 53683617 Free inodes: 29290515 First block: 0 Block size: 4096 Fragment size: 4096 Blocks per group: 32768 Fragments per group: 32768 Inodes per group: 16384 Inode blocks per group: 512 Filesystem created: Thu Sep 8 11:50:05 2005 Last mount time: Thu Sep 8 13:58:48 2005 Last write time: Thu Sep 8 13:58:48 2005 Mount count: 2 Maximum mount count: 34 Last checked: Thu Sep 8 11:50:05 2005 Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) Next check after: Tue Mar 7 10:50:05 2006 Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) First inode: 11 Inode size: 128 Journal inode: 12 Default directory hash: tea Directory Hash Seed: de8a895c-0898-4dad-9a1f-85a2f1a5cc7f -------------------------------------------- If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. Tom Johnson From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Sep 8 14:46:11 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu Sep 8 14:46:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] ext filesystem size doesn't match available space In-Reply-To: <1469cda205090812155401ed52@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda205090812155401ed52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Thomas Johnson wrote: > root@yura:/mnt/hd# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > --snip-- > /dev/md/0 221G 20K 209G 1% /home > > now, it's been a while since i had to count higher than requires > taking off my socks and counting toes, but i don't think 20K used + > 209G Available = 221G. > Reserved block count: 2930444 > Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) > Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) You've got reserved space. tune2fs -m 0 /dev/md/0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Sep 8 15:01:49 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Sep 8 15:02:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509082001.j88K1nx26717@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: For Rent Subject: Looking for a roommate Looking for a roommate to share a house with 3 guys in Prospect park. One of our roommates moved out a while ago and we need to find someone to fill the space. The house is conveniantly located between downtown Minneapolis and St. Paul and is located near multiple bus lines. Its a great plave if you are going to the U or working in either of the downtowns. Features: *Plenty of on street parking, may even be able to wrangle some off street. *Central air *Large room with hardwood floors *Fast internet connection with traffic shaping. *Free laundry *Home theater with professional grade projector and lots of movies/anime Its a great place to live, I've been there for 4 years or so since my friend bought it. Please feel free to call or email me if you are interested. I can be reached at blj@umn.edu or 612-805-7458 Seller Email address: blj at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:21:09 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Thu Sep 8 17:22:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] ext filesystem size doesn't match available space In-Reply-To: References: <1469cda205090812155401ed52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a05090815217a31d6da@mail.gmail.com> On 9/8/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Thomas Johnson wrote: > > root@yura:/mnt/hd# df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > --snip-- > > /dev/md/0 221G 20K 209G 1% /home > > > > now, it's been a while since i had to count higher than requires > > taking off my socks and counting toes, but i don't think 20K used + > > 209G Available = 221G. > > > Reserved block count: 2930444 > > Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) > > Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) > > You've got reserved space. > > tune2fs -m 0 /dev/md/0 > I'm assuming with this being a RAID device, this shouldn't cause any issues because this will have no future growth correct? If it was a filesystem, I would advise against setting it to 0 reserved space due to filesystems filling up. My question is, why did he choose ext2 instead of ext3 or even Reiserfs if possible? -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050908/0d44ce3a/attachment.htm From tommyj27 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:36:10 2005 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Thu Sep 8 17:36:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] ext filesystem size doesn't match available space In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05090815217a31d6da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda205090812155401ed52@mail.gmail.com> <67f3084a05090815217a31d6da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1469cda205090815366c9b410a@mail.gmail.com> i added a journal and made it ext3 after contemplating how long fscking a 220GB filesystem would take. On 9/8/05, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On 9/8/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Thomas Johnson wrote: > > > root@yura:/mnt/hd# df -h > > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > > --snip-- > > > /dev/md/0 221G 20K 209G 1% /home > > > > > > now, it's been a while since i had to count higher than requires > > > taking off my socks and counting toes, but i don't think 20K used + > > > 209G Available = 221G. > > > > > Reserved block count: 2930444 > > > Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) > > > Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) > > > > You've got reserved space. > > > > tune2fs -m 0 /dev/md/0 > > > > I'm assuming with this being a RAID device, this shouldn't cause any issues > because this will have no future growth correct? > > If it was a filesystem, I would advise against setting it to 0 reserved > space due to filesystems filling up. > > My question is, why did he choose ext2 instead of ext3 or even Reiserfs if > possible? > > -- > -Shawn > > -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From admin at lctn.org Thu Sep 8 19:46:27 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu Sep 8 19:48:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem revisited Message-ID: <37900.209.176.212.10.1126226787.squirrel@lctn.org> I posted a sendmail problem last week, explaining most mail on a new Fedora server gets trapped in the mail queue, marked with a deferred connection status. Once and a while some messages will be delivered after a reboot, or a reboot of the firewall. I decided it was a firewall issue, so we did a new install of IPCop 1.46. I still have the same problem, so I uninstalled and reinstalled the sendmail rpm, and removed the loop back statement in the m4 file. In a shell I can ping any domain from the mail server, and I can telnet to the server via port 25, getting the welcome banner. However, I just tried the reverse; attempting to telnet to a working mail server on port 25 from the problem box. the telnet command hung, and never did make a connection to the other server. this was done with IPtables disabled. Any ideas what to look for? From admin at lctn.org Thu Sep 8 20:11:53 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu Sep 8 20:12:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail problem revisited In-Reply-To: <37900.209.176.212.10.1126226787.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <37900.209.176.212.10.1126226787.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <42316.209.176.212.10.1126228313.squirrel@lctn.org> >I just tried the reverse; attempting to telnet to a > working mail server on port 25 from the problem box. the telnet command > hung, and never did make a connection to the other server. A rule in rc.local was carried over to the new firewall. It blocked all outgoing mail unless it originated from the the old IP of the server. I commented it out and everything works fine. Not sure how any mail ever got delivered. sorry From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Sep 8 21:18:58 2005 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:20:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux Message-ID: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Has anyone tried this with a regular SATA card, mine is a Promise TX-4? I was wondering if I could just open up my case and plug in a SATA drive to my extra power and data cables while the system is live (since SATA is supposed to have this hot-swap ability) and get Linux to recognize the drive. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Reese From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Sep 8 21:58:21 2005 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:58:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How to trace commands set off by GUI In-Reply-To: <1126233562.5927.6.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1126233562.5927.6.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <1126234701.8546.13.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Are you perhaps thinking of strace? It prints out all of the system calls being used. On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 21:39 -0500, John Reese wrote: > Years ago I saw a utility that printed out commands issued during GUI > events. For example, starting Evolution in the GUI environment resulted > in a flurry of commands registered in the shell. Very handy. > > Now I am switching window managers and am having trouble managing the > behavior of some applications. > > Does anybody know/remember a utility of this nature? > > John Reese > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 23:01:28 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Thu Sep 8 23:02:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux In-Reply-To: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <579c6fd3050908210153fc417e@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure what you mean by "regular", but your controller will need to support hot swap if you want it to work properly/reliably. I would recommend a hot swap enclosure too. On 9/8/05, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Has anyone tried this with a regular SATA card, mine is a Promise TX-4? I > was wondering if I could just open up my case and plug in a SATA drive to my > extra power and data cables while the system is live (since SATA is supposed > to have this hot-swap ability) and get Linux to recognize the drive. > > ------------------------------ > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050908/362caaef/attachment.htm From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 9 02:42:54 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Fri Sep 9 03:06:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux In-Reply-To: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <43213CFE.9060101@visi.com> Yes SATA drives can be used in a hot swap configuration BUT this is controlled by the SATA controller not the drives. You also need the drives mounted on sleds that fit in to a disk array. The use of hot swap drives is best used with RAID 5 (stripping with parity) where many drives make a very large volume. It is also used in Mirrored configurations, again it's best to use hardware not software for this. Hardware raid is faster then software raid in any case. I know I'll get flamed for that last comment. Sam. Jon Schewe wrote: > Has anyone tried this with a regular SATA card, mine is a Promise > TX-4? I was wondering if I could just open up my case and plug in a > SATA drive to my extra power and data cables while the system is live > (since SATA is supposed to have this hot-swap ability) and get Linux > to recognize the drive. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jwreese0 at comcast.net Fri Sep 9 03:35:37 2005 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Fri Sep 9 03:36:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How to trace commands set off by GUI In-Reply-To: <1126234701.8546.13.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1126233562.5927.6.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> <1126234701.8546.13.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1126254937.9303.4.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 21:58 -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Are you perhaps thinking of strace? It prints out all of the system > calls being used. No, I have seen something higher-level than strace. Strace would give me the system calls, etc.; I think I have seen a utility that captures only the initial command event -- for example, which parameters are issued along with 'evolution' to bring up one's particular profile. > On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 21:39 -0500, John Reese wrote: > > Years ago I saw a utility that printed out commands issued during GUI > > events. For example, starting Evolution in the GUI environment resulted > > in a flurry of commands registered in the shell. Very handy. > > > > Now I am switching window managers and am having trouble managing the > > behavior of some applications. > > > > Does anybody know/remember a utility of this nature? > > > > John Reese > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > From christophermsmith at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 07:46:03 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Fri Sep 9 07:46:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux - now- sw raid and XFS In-Reply-To: <43213CFE.9060101@visi.com> Message-ID: <4321840e.340f74a3.095d.ffffa7a9@mx.gmail.com> I've got a software raid 5 config of about 300gigs and if I make a large / long transfer to it via Samba 3.0.14a from an xp client (or probably any other) it kills the whole box. Locks it up.. I don't see anything in the logs.. I didn't have this issue with EXT3, but performance was much worse. Anyone seen this? Christopher M. Smith Sr. Systems Administrator IS Dept. API Group Inc. www.apitools.net A day that is without troubles is not fulfilling. Rather, give me a day with troubles well handled so that I can be content with my achievements. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:43 AM Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux Yes SATA drives can be used in a hot swap configuration BUT this is controlled by the SATA controller not the drives. You also need the drives mounted on sleds that fit in to a disk array. The use of hot swap drives is best used with RAID 5 (stripping with parity) where many drives make a very large volume. It is also used in Mirrored configurations, again it's best to use hardware not software for this. Hardware raid is faster then software raid in any case. I know I'll get flamed for that last comment. Sam. Jon Schewe wrote: > Has anyone tried this with a regular SATA card, mine is a Promise > TX-4? I was wondering if I could just open up my case and plug in a > SATA drive to my extra power and data cables while the system is live > (since SATA is supposed to have this hot-swap ability) and get Linux > to recognize the drive. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 08:58:29 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Fri Sep 9 08:58:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux - now- sw raid and XFS In-Reply-To: <4321840e.340f74a3.095d.ffffa7a9@mx.gmail.com> References: <43213CFE.9060101@visi.com> <4321840e.340f74a3.095d.ffffa7a9@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0509090658421b3d43@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/05, Christopher Smith wrote: > > I've got a software raid 5 config of about 300gigs and if I make a large / > long transfer to it via Samba 3.0.14a from an xp client (or probably any > other) it kills the whole box. Locks it up.. I don't see anything in the > logs.. I didn't have this issue with EXT3, but performance was much worse. > Anyone seen this? Couple of things you want to check first: 1) Network settings of both your server's NIC and the port it is connected into. Ensure that they are both set identical to each other ( 100FD or AUTO for example). 2) Do you have any of this setting in your smb.conf file: socket options = TCP_NODELAY These two are some of the biggest issues I've run into in regards to samba performance. There might be other issues, but I'd start with those. -- > -Shawn > > -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050909/c3fb9868/attachment-0001.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 09:21:50 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri Sep 9 09:22:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia Kiosk Message-ID: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to build a handful of multimedia kiosks for a project. The main features of these kiosks is to display MPEG videos in a playlist. Simple enough so far, but the part I'm having trouble finding a solution is that the playlists need to be able to be adjusted on the fly without affecting the display and they need to be able to change on a schedule (ie: playlist a plays in the morning, playlist b plays in the afternoon, etc.) Does anybody know of a package or packages that might accomplish this? -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 9 10:20:46 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri Sep 9 10:20:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia Kiosk In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509091020.46414.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 09 September 2005 9:21 am, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm looking to build a handful of multimedia kiosks for a project. > The main features of these kiosks is to display MPEG videos in a > playlist. Simple enough so far, but the part I'm having trouble > finding a solution is that the playlists need to be able to be > adjusted on the fly without affecting the display and they need to be > able to change on a schedule (ie: playlist a plays in the morning, > playlist b plays in the afternoon, etc.) > > Does anybody know of a package or packages that might accomplish this? I don't have a package (yet, this is intriguing so I'm going to look myself) but here's a possible solution. What if you setup your playlist files then have a "working" playlist file name and use a cron job to copy playlist_a to playlist at the appropriate time? If nothing else you should be able to start prototyping with this solution even if it turns out to be suboptimal. Jack -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From drue at therub.org Fri Sep 9 10:30:47 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Fri Sep 9 10:32:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia Kiosk In-Reply-To: <200509091020.46414.jack@jacku.com> References: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> <200509091020.46414.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20050909153047.GB896@therub.org> On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 10:20:46AM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > On Friday 09 September 2005 9:21 am, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > I'm looking to build a handful of multimedia kiosks for a project. > > The main features of these kiosks is to display MPEG videos in a > > playlist. Simple enough so far, but the part I'm having trouble > > finding a solution is that the playlists need to be able to be > > adjusted on the fly without affecting the display and they need to be > > able to change on a schedule (ie: playlist a plays in the morning, > > playlist b plays in the afternoon, etc.) > > > > Does anybody know of a package or packages that might accomplish this? > > I don't have a package (yet, this is intriguing so I'm going to look myself) > but here's a possible solution. > > What if you setup your playlist files then have a "working" playlist file name > and use a cron job to copy playlist_a to playlist at the appropriate time? If > nothing else you should be able to start prototyping with this solution even > if it turns out to be suboptimal. Couldn't you just do like .. #!/bin/sh while true; do /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/$1/*; done Then call it from cron in the morning with an argument of "morning", create /mpegs/morning/ for the morning mpegs.. Even better build the time logic into the script.. while (1){ if (morning) { /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/morning/* } if (afternoon) { /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/afternoon/* } } Then if you need to add or remove mpegs, the "playlist" will be updated after it cycles through the directory. Dan From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:48:24 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri Sep 9 10:48:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia Kiosk In-Reply-To: <20050909153047.GB896@therub.org> References: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> <200509091020.46414.jack@jacku.com> <20050909153047.GB896@therub.org> Message-ID: <47f4d5e705090908485ddd0406@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/05, Dan Rue wrote: > > Couldn't you just do like .. > > #!/bin/sh > > while true; > do /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/$1/*; > done > > > Then call it from cron in the morning with an argument of "morning", > create /mpegs/morning/ for the morning mpegs.. > > Even better build the time logic into the script.. > > while (1){ > > if (morning) { > /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/morning/* > } > if (afternoon) { > /usr/bin/mplayer /mpegs/afternoon/* > } > > } > > > Then if you need to add or remove mpegs, the "playlist" will be updated > after it cycles through the directory. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > That may do what I need it to. After posting this, I became intrigued with VLC's http interface. It's ridiculously flexible and customizable. I think if I couple that with the scheduling of cron, I might have something pretty useful. How can I change what's in a particular user's crontab from a script? Or would I be better off manipulating the cron facility in a different way? -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From christophermsmith at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:58:51 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Fri Sep 9 11:00:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux - now- sw raid and XFS In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0509090658421b3d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4321b140.74c9f623.1d16.ffff885f@mx.gmail.com> In Samba: socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 both 100Mb FD but what seem odd to me is that nothing has changed other than moving to XFS for the file system on this setup. (from EXT3) in general the system is more responsive and faster, but a large sustained smb file transfer will crash the whole box. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:58 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux - now- sw raid and XFS On 9/9/05, Christopher Smith wrote: I've got a software raid 5 config of about 300gigs and if I make a large / long transfer to it via Samba 3.0.14a from an xp client (or probably any other) it kills the whole box. Locks it up.. I don't see anything in the logs.. I didn't have this issue with EXT3, but performance was much worse. Anyone seen this? Couple of things you want to check first: 1) Network settings of both your server's NIC and the port it is connected into. Ensure that they are both set identical to each other ( 100FD or AUTO for example). 2) Do you have any of this setting in your smb.conf file: socket options = TCP_NODELAY These two are some of the biggest issues I've run into in regards to samba performance. There might be other issues, but I'd start with those. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050909/92b91705/attachment.htm From tclug at greatlakedata.com Fri Sep 9 01:23:04 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:48:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] maia dead? what's better? Message-ID: <43212A48.5070109@greatlakedata.com> Steve Swantz wrote: > Maia Mailguard might be of interest to you. http://www.renaissoft.com/maia maia looks very good, but it also has a couple big problems: the install is an angry bear, and, i'd say maia fails the "in active development" test. it looks like you are forced to use quite an outdated version of amavisd-new. perhaps maia is on the chopping block, and something else out there is probably pulling into the lead? anybody have any leads? ty, greg -- Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 16:59:36 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Sep 9 17:00:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia Kiosk In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e705090908485ddd0406@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e705090907217de1d758@mail.gmail.com> <200509091020.46414.jack@jacku.com> <20050909153047.GB896@therub.org> <47f4d5e705090908485ddd0406@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It will depend on which media player you're using, but lots of the Linux media players can be controlled by the command line. xmms for example had lots of options for controlling a currnetly running xmms process, including changing the current playlist. I run around 40 web kiosks using Mozilla. I've set GDM to auto log in a non privliged user, and given that user a simple .xsession file: #!/bin/sh export PRINTER=`cat ~/.printer` exec /usr/bin/xscreensaver -no-splash & exec /usr/bin/sawfish & exec /home/shopfloor/.xosdclock.sh & exec /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -splash As Mozilla doesn't go into the background, the .xsession doesn't end until the Mozilla process exits. When that happens, X is restet, the user gets auto logged in, and the .xsession is run again. Keeps the user from getting into trouble. Sawfish is running in the background because Mozilla really didn't want to deal with no window manager, but sawfish doesn't manage Mozilla windows (but it does manage pop ups like printer dialogs and help windows). Simply changing the contents of a playlist while your media player is running won't work. The player would have to monitor the playlist for changes, which most don't. If you wanted to keep all the video displays in sync, I'd look at a video streaming type solution. Then you would just have to have your clients tune in your streaming server, and you'd have total instant control over the content displayed. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Sep 9 22:48:23 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Sep 9 22:48:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509100348.j8A3mNY07666@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Intel Penium 4 Processor I'm currently looking for a website that carry's a Intel Pentium 4 cpu(not celeron) that is 2.8ghz or 3.0ghz with the 533mhz fsb. If anyone has any Idea's, That would be great. Thanks Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 06:27:02 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sat Sep 10 06:28:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA hotswap and Linux In-Reply-To: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1126232338.8546.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html#hotplug On 9/8/05, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Has anyone tried this with a regular SATA card, mine is a Promise TX-4? I > was wondering if I could just open up my case and plug in a SATA drive to my > extra power and data cables while the system is live (since SATA is supposed > to have this hot-swap ability) and get Linux to recognize the drive. > > ------------------------------ > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050910/fe9f6203/attachment.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Sep 10 09:48:41 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Sat Sep 10 09:48:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200509100348.j8A3mNY07666@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200509100348.j8A3mNY07666@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20050910094841.00005650@prokofiev> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:48:23 -0500 TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > I'm currently looking for a website that carry's a Intel Pentium 4 > cpu(not celeron) that is 2.8ghz or 3.0ghz with the 533mhz fsb. If > anyone has any Idea's, That would be great. http://www.mwave.com http://nanosys1.com/cpus.html From austad at signal15.com Sat Sep 10 13:41:51 2005 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Sat Sep 10 13:43:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! Message-ID: <5C3A17A4-6A8D-4B66-88D4-1C679AEAEE3A@signal15.com> This should be really simple, but, I did a db_dump from the Berkely DB database off my phone, and everything is encoded in hex values, strings that look like this: 87474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6 573736167652d69 I decoded some of it by hand, and it has the info I need. I just need a perl script to run over the dump file and convert ever two characters into their ascii equivalent, and since it's been awhile since I did any perl, I'm at a loss of how to do it. Note that there are spaces and newlines in this file (which are not encoded into hex), so the counting for every two characters has to start at the beginning of each hex string. Any ideas? Even a perl one-liner that I could use would work: cat native.dump | perl -nle '' From ajs at cems.umn.edu Sat Sep 10 13:53:23 2005 From: ajs at cems.umn.edu (Andy Schmid) Date: Sat Sep 10 13:53:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! In-Reply-To: <5C3A17A4-6A8D-4B66-88D4-1C679AEAEE3A@signal15.com> References: <5C3A17A4-6A8D-4B66-88D4-1C679AEAEE3A@signal15.com> Message-ID: <43232BA3.7080608@cems.umn.edu> use the pack function... i.e. pack("H*", $value) andy Jay Austad wrote: > This should be really simple, but, I did a db_dump from the Berkely > DB database off my phone, and everything is encoded in hex values, > strings that look like this: > > 87474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6 > 573736167652d69 > > I decoded some of it by hand, and it has the info I need. I just > need a perl script to run over the dump file and convert ever two > characters into their ascii equivalent, and since it's been awhile > since I did any perl, I'm at a loss of how to do it. > > Note that there are spaces and newlines in this file (which are not > encoded into hex), so the counting for every two characters has to > start at the beginning of each hex string. > > Any ideas? Even a perl one-liner that I could use would work: > > cat native.dump | perl -nle '' > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- CEMS IT Office 185 Amundson Hall (612)-626-0712 https://www1.cems.umn.edu/dept/itoffice/ From dniesen at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 14:08:44 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Sat Sep 10 14:09:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200509100348.j8A3mNY07666@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200509100348.j8A3mNY07666@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e7050910120853f0bb8e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.pricewatch.com/m-3.htm On 9/9/05, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: Intel Penium 4 Processor > > I'm currently looking for a website that carry's a Intel Pentium 4 cpu(not celeron) that is 2.8ghz or 3.0ghz with the 533mhz fsb. If anyone has any Idea's, That would be great. > > > Thanks > > Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Sat Sep 10 14:50:07 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Sat Sep 10 14:53:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] A pci sata controller available at general nano / elsewhere that is compatible with linux if i recompile into the latest bleeding edge Message-ID: <432338EF.4010300@mchsi.com> Hi, sorry for the long subject line. anyway, i am looking for pci sata cards that are available at nano (pref) or anywhere else, pref cheaper as long as it works, any info related at all appreciated. nick -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Sat Sep 10 14:59:28 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Sat Sep 10 14:59:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] USB / pcmcia / cardbus 802.11G or B cards available at nano or elsewhere Message-ID: <43233B20.7000104@mchsi.com> Looking for the subject line. Any info related at all appreciated. gentoo especially preferred. nick p.s. really even if your another distro i'd love to hear it, to save time, gentoo base doesn't work with linux-wlan-ng so those cards that are only supported by that in linux, well... I guess I'd still like to hear it. I have a usb netgrea ma111 v1 that works with linux-wlan-ng on ohter distros but i can't seem to get in under gentoo with ndiswrapper either. ugh. help. -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 17:08:42 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sat Sep 10 17:09:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] A pci sata controller available at general nano / elsewhere that is compatible with linux if i recompile into the latest bleeding edge In-Reply-To: <432338EF.4010300@mchsi.com> References: <432338EF.4010300@mchsi.com> Message-ID: you can't really go wrong with the Promise controllers. They are Linux friendly for the most part and the price is right. On 9/10/05, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Hi, > sorry for the long subject line. anyway, i am looking for pci sata > cards that are available at nano (pref) or anywhere else, pref cheaper > as long as it works, any info related at all appreciated. > > nick > > -- > ------------------------------ > nick thompson > > all unix all the time. > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From rick at ricksweb.info Sat Sep 10 19:21:58 2005 From: rick at ricksweb.info (Richard Harding) Date: Sat Sep 10 19:41:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] problems working on a host through ssh Message-ID: <1126398118.6517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been working on a remote server (debian server Ubuntu client) via the gnome terminal and I'm noticing some odd behavior. I use .bash_history a ton and when working in remote sessions I seem to have a much less chance of having commands remembered. It's really bad when I have a remote ssh session perform some commands, then sit behind the box and try to get to some of the commands and they're not there. The reverse is also true. Is there any way to get multiple sessions and such to work better with .bash_history? Thanks Rick From erikerik at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 23:21:49 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sat Sep 10 23:23:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] problems working on a host through ssh In-Reply-To: <1126398118.6517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1126398118.6517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 9/10/05, Richard Harding wrote: > I've been working on a remote server (debian server Ubuntu client) via > the gnome terminal and I'm noticing some odd behavior. > > I use .bash_history a ton and when working in remote sessions I seem to > have a much less chance of having commands remembered. It's really bad > when I have a remote ssh session perform some commands, then sit behind > the box and try to get to some of the commands and they're not there. > The reverse is also true. Is there any way to get multiple sessions and > such to work better with .bash_history? I don't have a direct answer, but can offer a few suggestions nonetheless. I do *all* of my administration of servers (remote and otherwise) within a screen session. Do you know of GNU screen? If not, it's worth your time getting to know it. I use it, no joke, for probably 7 out of the 8 hours I work each day. Here are a few nice features: - split-screen terminals over ssh - failsafe, so if your network connections goes down, your programs stay running - ~/.screenrc file for configuration - when I start screen, I have my .screenrc file set to ssh into the 10 or so different linux servers I have at work. - you can detach from a screen session, logout of ssh, login from another location, and re-attach to the same session. If you get into the habit of using screen all the time, your .bash_history problem will be a non-issue, as you'll always be using the same terminal anyway. If you have any questions about screen, please send them my way. I'd be glad to help. -Erik From patrickm at citilink.com Sun Sep 11 01:14:31 2005 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Sun Sep 11 01:15:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! In-Reply-To: <43232BA3.7080608@cems.umn.edu> References: <43232BA3.7080608@cems.umn.edu> Message-ID: <53575.68.109.165.244.1126419271.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> TMTOWTDI and all that, cat native.dump | perl -ple 's/([\da-fA-F]{2})/asc(hex($1))/eg' Patrick McCabe > use the pack function... > > i.e. > > pack("H*", $value) > > andy > > Jay Austad wrote: > >> This should be really simple, but, I did a db_dump from the Berkely >> DB database off my phone, and everything is encoded in hex values, >> strings that look like this: >> >> 87474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6 >> 573736167652d69 >> >> I decoded some of it by hand, and it has the info I need. I just >> need a perl script to run over the dump file and convert ever two >> characters into their ascii equivalent, and since it's been awhile >> since I did any perl, I'm at a loss of how to do it. >> >> Note that there are spaces and newlines in this file (which are not >> encoded into hex), so the counting for every two characters has to >> start at the beginning of each hex string. >> >> Any ideas? Even a perl one-liner that I could use would work: >> >> cat native.dump | perl -nle '' >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > > CEMS IT Office > 185 Amundson Hall > (612)-626-0712 > https://www1.cems.umn.edu/dept/itoffice/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Sep 11 10:46:32 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sun Sep 11 10:47:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! In-Reply-To: <53575.68.109.165.244.1126419271.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> References: <43232BA3.7080608@cems.umn.edu> <53575.68.109.165.244.1126419271.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Patrick McCabe wrote: > TMTOWTDI and all that, > > cat native.dump | perl -ple 's/([\da-fA-F]{2})/asc(hex($1))/eg' Shouldn't that be 'chr' instead of 'asc'?... http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/cookbook/ch01_05.htm asc gives an error but chr works: echo '687474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6573736167652d69' | perl -ple 's/([\da-fA-F]{2})/chr(hex($1))/eg' http://216.155.174.84/servlets/mms?message-i T-Mobile? Mike From danbsmith at comcast.net Sun Sep 11 13:15:10 2005 From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith) Date: Sun Sep 11 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16 (Re: TCLUG Ad: Pentium 4) Message-ID: <4324742E.5010502@comcast.net> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: >Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://shadowknight.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner@mn-linux.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. perl gurus, help! (Jay Austad) > 2. Re: perl gurus, help! (Andy Schmid) > 3. Re: New TCLUG Classified Ad (Donovan Niesen) > 4. A pci sata controller available at general nano / elsewhere > that is compatible with linux if i recompile into the latest > bleeding edge (Nicholas Thompson) > 5. USB / pcmcia / cardbus 802.11G or B cards available at nano > or elsewhere (Nicholas Thompson) > 6. Re: A pci sata controller available at general nano / > elsewhere that is compatible with linux if i recompile into the > latest bleeding edge (Loren H. Burlingame) > 7. problems working on a host through ssh (Richard Harding) > 8. Re: problems working on a host through ssh (Erik Anderson) > 9. Re: perl gurus, help! (Patrick McCabe) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:41:51 -0500 >From: Jay Austad >Subject: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Message-ID: <5C3A17A4-6A8D-4B66-88D4-1C679AEAEE3A@signal15.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >This should be really simple, but, I did a db_dump from the Berkely >DB database off my phone, and everything is encoded in hex values, >strings that look like this: > >87474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6 >573736167652d69 > >I decoded some of it by hand, and it has the info I need. I just >need a perl script to run over the dump file and convert ever two >characters into their ascii equivalent, and since it's been awhile >since I did any perl, I'm at a loss of how to do it. > >Note that there are spaces and newlines in this file (which are not >encoded into hex), so the counting for every two characters has to >start at the beginning of each hex string. > >Any ideas? Even a perl one-liner that I could use would work: > >cat native.dump | perl -nle '' > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:53:23 -0500 >From: Andy Schmid >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] perl gurus, help! >To: Jay Austad >Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Message-ID: <43232BA3.7080608@cems.umn.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >use the pack function... > >i.e. > >pack("H*", $value) > >andy > >Jay Austad wrote: > > > >>This should be really simple, but, I did a db_dump from the Berkely >>DB database off my phone, and everything is encoded in hex values, >>strings that look like this: >> >>87474703a2f2f3231362e3135352e3137342e38342f736572766c6574732f6d6d733f6d6 >>573736167652d69 >> >>I decoded some of it by hand, and it has the info I need. I just >>need a perl script to run over the dump file and convert ever two >>characters into their ascii equivalent, and since it's been awhile >>since I did any perl, I'm at a loss of how to do it. >> >>Note that there are spaces and newlines in this file (which are not >>encoded into hex), so the counting for every two characters has to >>start at the beginning of each hex string. >> >>Any ideas? Even a perl one-liner that I could use would work: >> >>cat native.dump | perl -nle '' >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > Regarding the Intel Pentium 4 Processor, I was wondering the one on Pricewatch, even though it's a 533mhz fsb, will it support Hyper Threading?, How much of a difference for a person that's slowly getting into gaming, would I see a diffrence from a 3.06ghz no hyper threading to a 3.06ghz with hyper threading?. Because I'm Currently running a Amd Athlon Xp2200+ (1.8ghz) (Not a good Idea for the newer games...) From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Sep 11 13:38:15 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Sep 11 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509111838.j8BIcFf27189@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Pentium 200 for free Free for pickup in NE metro area: Pentium 200/MMX Asus VX97 Motherboard (still have manual, albeit slightly chewed up by dog) 64MB Ram ~850MB HDD Floppy CD-Rom (possible dead) AT Case w/ PS Keyboard Mouse ISA video ISA Sound card ISA Network System works and could be a good firewall system. Board has 4 PCI slots and 4 ISA slots. One of which is shared PCI/ISA. Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Sun Sep 11 14:28:51 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Sun Sep 11 14:29:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have a pci (or isa) usb 2.0 or even 1.0 adapter they are looking to sell? Message-ID: <43248573.5040002@mchsi.com> As the subject says, or can point me in the direction of one. nano always preferred unless you know of a super deal in town or online. thanks so much nick -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From josh at tcbug.org Sun Sep 11 19:38:30 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Sun Sep 11 19:39:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have a pci (or isa) usb 2.0 or even 1.0 adapter they are looking to sell? In-Reply-To: <43248573.5040002@mchsi.com> References: <43248573.5040002@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200509111938.31082.josh@tcbug.org> On Sunday 11 September 2005 14:28, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > As the subject says, or can point me in the direction of one. nano > always preferred unless you know of a super deal in town or online. > > thanks so much > > nick http://www.nanosys1.com/usb-tw-tu2-h5pi.html -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From pablo at nothing.com Mon Sep 12 11:01:25 2005 From: pablo at nothing.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:01:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers Message-ID: Hi, I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the better Web browsers Linux users use? Thanks, Paul From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 11:08:45 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:09:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579c6fd3050912090841ffca07@mail.gmail.com> FIREFOX! On 9/12/05, Paul Fierro wrote: > > Hi, > > I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > better Web browsers Linux users use? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050912/5426063b/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 12 11:13:38 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:13:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050912161338.GC18079@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:01:25AM -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: > I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > better Web browsers Linux users use? After getting a free registration code for Opera during their 10-year anniversary party I have used it extensively on Windows, Mac OS and Linux. I would say it is the fastest web browser out there. Last week, I purchased a license. It is that good. Firefox does not come close to it (and I used Mozilla since m16, and run the current Firefox alphas and betas). florin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What are the >better Web browsers Linux users use? > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From rwh at visi.com Mon Sep 12 11:35:39 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:37:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4325AE5B.9010002@visi.com> I use Firefox since it is reasonably consistent between Windows, Linux and the Mac. I'm using a couple of plug-ins to block ads, block flash, selectively block Javascript and so on that I'd be hard pressed to do without. I used Opera for a while a couple of years ago but haven't used it lately, but it did a pretty good job. At the time it was the only browser doing tabbed windows and it offered saved sessions and preset sessions. I had it set up to open the dozen or so sites I checked the first thing every morning. Both offer fairly quick development cycles with lots of new features. And if you have to work on other platforms, they're both available for Win/Lin/Mac. --rick Paul Fierro wrote: >Hi, > >I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the >better Web browsers Linux users use? > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From drue at therub.org Mon Sep 12 11:47:41 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:49:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: <4325AE5B.9010002@visi.com> References: <4325AE5B.9010002@visi.com> Message-ID: <20050912164741.GL896@therub.org> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:35:39AM -0500, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I used Opera for a while a couple of years ago but haven't used it > lately, but it did a pretty good job. At the time it was the only > browser doing tabbed windows and it offered saved sessions and preset > sessions. I had it set up to open the dozen or so sites I checked the > first thing every morning. The /only/ feature i miss from Opera is the saved sessions (where if your browser crashes or you just close it.. all your tabs are restored when you restart the browser). However, I recently found the extension for this in firefox called SessionSaver.. Which works great. The biggest "feature" i don't miss from opera is it's counterintuitive tab ordering, where it will go to the previously used tab when you close a tab, instead of the next tab on the list. I would have liked opera much better if i found a way to change that mis-feature (which, admitidly, some people love). I don't see much speed difference, other than that caused by Opera's over-zealous caching (which caused me more headaches than it saved in load time). Dan From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 12 11:56:51 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Sep 12 11:57:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: <20050912164741.GL896@therub.org> References: <4325AE5B.9010002@visi.com> <20050912164741.GL896@therub.org> Message-ID: <20050912165650.GD18079@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:47:41AM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > The biggest "feature" i don't miss from opera is it's counterintuitive > tab ordering, where it will go to the previously used tab when you close > a tab, instead of the next tab on the list. I would have liked opera > much better if i found a way to change that mis-feature (which, > admitidly, some people love). I hate it too, but it can be fixed now. Tools >> Preferences >> Browsing >> Cycle Pages -> Cycle in page tab order florin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think it would be a very complicated setup, but I'd be interested in finding out if there's someone in town who we could hire to do the install and ongoing support. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 12:27:36 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Sep 12 12:27:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Local Asterisk consultants In-Reply-To: <983E17B7-1C13-4AE1-8437-656079DE3844@visi.com> References: <983E17B7-1C13-4AE1-8437-656079DE3844@visi.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Anybody know of a local Asterisk consultant? I'd suggest you check here: http://voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+User+Group+TwinCities+Minnesota+USA One of the sponsors of the TCAUG is this company: http://www.soundchoicecomm.com/ I'd suspect that they do consulting. -Erik From obelin23 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 13:41:47 2005 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Mon Sep 12 13:43:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Linux Browsers Message-ID: <72278d1050912114142652d14@mail.gmail.com> I have had stability problems with Firefox - frequent crashes - so I use Mozilla. My wife swears by Opera. CO2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050912/d77f8db7/attachment.htm From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Mon Sep 12 14:47:14 2005 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Sep 12 14:47:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509121447.14442.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Monday 12 September 2005 11:01, Paul Fierro wrote: > I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > better Web browsers Linux users use? I prefer Konqueror for all my browsing needs. Especially since it has such great integration into the desktop environment. If stuck on Windows then of course FireFox it is, specifically in the shape of PortableFirefox (Google that) which I keep on all my FAT32 thumdrives. On OS X you can't do much better than Safari. -- Samir M. Nassar SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From duff0097 at umn.edu Mon Sep 12 15:51:31 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan J Duff) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:51:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers Message-ID: <200509122051.j8CKpVnL030145@turbo.software.umn.edu> On the Linux only side of things, Konqueror, while probably not as good as Firefox or Opera, is worth checking out (and it requires KDE deps). As for simple, lean browsers: I like dillo - it leaves a small footprint and has tabs. Also, how does opera handle movies and streaming video/audio? Mplayer's firefox plugin works really well. -Bryan On 12 Sep 2005, Paul Fierro wrote: > Hi, > > I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > better Web browsers Linux users use? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 15:56:50 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:57:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] problems working on a host through ssh In-Reply-To: References: <1126398118.6517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d6c8253050912135656370cde@mail.gmail.com> Does it make sense to start screen at automatically at login? I was really impressed when I used screen only to find myself forgetting to start it until it was too late. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nassar SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 16:34:52 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Sep 12 16:35:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] problems working on a host through ssh In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253050912135656370cde@mail.gmail.com> References: <1126398118.6517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d6c8253050912135656370cde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Does it make sense to start screen at automatically at login? I was really > impressed when I used screen only to find myself forgetting to start it > until it was too late. I feel your pain :-) I've tried, on several occasions, to get screen to run correctly from my .bash_profile, but haven't had any luck. The best tip I've found is to start your ssh session like this: $ ssh user@host -t screen -RD That'll re-attach if there's a detached screen session, and will create a new one of none exist. I found that tip here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_screen That page, by the way, is one of the best introductions to screen that I've found. Yes, it's in the gentoo wiki, but it's applicable to any distro. -Erik From dan at dandrake.org Mon Sep 12 18:26:41 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Mon Sep 12 18:27:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: <200509122051.j8CKpVnL030145@turbo.software.umn.edu> References: <200509122051.j8CKpVnL030145@turbo.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20050912232641.GB7941@dandrake.org> This is veering slightly off-topic, but I've used the Firefox 1.5 beta on Linux and OS X and it works very well -- quite snappy. Many extensions don't work yet, but I presume that will be fixed soon. I like Firefox because I can use it at home (Debian), work (Fedora), and on my Powerbook and it's always the same. Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050912/926fb554/attachment-0001.pgp From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Sep 12 19:16:54 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Sep 12 19:17:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509130016.j8D0GsV13151@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Moving Sale: 500Mhz cpus, dreamcast, segaCD Hello Everybody! I just bought a house, and am cleaning out stuff I do not want to move over to it! Everything is FREE! 5x Compaq-branded P2-p3 450Mhz machines, hdd's, cdroms, power supplies, etc. Some are missing some parts, I can supply whatever is missing from extra stuff I have. Good firewall boxes. 4x 14" monitors. Perfect for that server space in your basement, or your kid's cpu! 2x 2U rack-mountable machines. VA Linux Chassis, come with Celeron 433's, power supplies, etc. Condition unknown. Gateway SFF machine. It had a celeron 533 in it, I yanked if for another project. I may still have the cpu. comes with memory, ps, hdd, cdrom, etc. Sega Genesis w/ segaCD. Tons of games. Sega Dreamcast & a few games. HP LaserJet 6L. Works! I replaced the paper pickup a year ago, still works great. First come, first served. Call me on my cell, email me, or come find me! -scheides 612.850.1407 scheides@mordant.com Seller Email address: scheides at iexposure dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 12 20:46:50 2005 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Sep 12 20:47:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126576010.21077.79.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 11:01 -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: > I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > better Web browsers Linux users use? I guess I'm weird in using Galeon [http://galeon.sf.net/], though I think development has kind of stagnated on it. Galeon started off as a "lightweight" Gecko-based browser back before Firefox got going, and added a number of features I like. I like being able to type in "www.whatever.com", press Ctrl+Enter and get it to pop up in a new tab (in Firefox, this prepends "www." and appends ".com", which is often pretty silly, since the browser normally appends ".com" if it can't resolve an address anyway). The tabbing behavior is more configurable, though there are various Firefox extensions that make this easier these days. Galeon also has smart bookmarks built in, so you can have one or more search field right in your toolbar (I have one for Google and one for Wikipedia -- er, a Google search in site:en.wikipedia.org), or create a bookmark elsewhere with "%s" somewhere in there and use a keyword to search. For instance, I have a keword bookmark named "news" that searches Google News, plus others for Netflix and IMDB so I don't have to browse to the site to use their search engine. Type in "imdb back to the future", and there you go.. (Firefox has a few keywords built in, such as "map" and "news", but I haven't figured out where they're configured -- I don't like their default behaviors). But, Galeon isn't compatible with the pile of extensions Firefox has now. I really wish I could use AdBlock, for instance, so I might end up switching over to Firefox fairly soon. -- Mike Hicks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050912/cf395e26/attachment.htm From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Mon Sep 12 21:08:05 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Mon Sep 12 21:07:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] A pci sata controller available at general nano / elsewhere that is compatible with linux if i recompile into the latest bleeding edge In-Reply-To: References: <432338EF.4010300@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <43263485.4000202@mchsi.com> Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > you can't really go wrong with the Promise controllers. They are Linux > friendly for the most part and the price is right. > As a recommendation for all, general nano (nanosys1.com if you are a newb or live under a rock) has a card based on the silicon image 3112 chipset that is $29.99 and does raid as well. Two Sata 150 ports, pci, supported under mainline kernel, good chipset, cheap as fuck. And it even says it works with linux on the box. Now, I was recommending this as a good quality cheap card. If you have more money, I'd go for the promise controllers as well. They are hardly any more money, and I believe there is a lot of development in terms of supporting them. nick > On 9/10/05, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > >>Hi, >> sorry for the long subject line. anyway, i am looking for pci sata >>cards that are available at nano (pref) or anywhere else, pref cheaper >>as long as it works, any info related at all appreciated. >> >>nick >> >>-- >>------------------------------ >>nick thompson >> >>all unix all the time. >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From dj.tclug at outerrim.org Mon Sep 12 22:17:55 2005 From: dj.tclug at outerrim.org (Michael Osterlie) Date: Mon Sep 12 22:19:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox keywords (was Linux browsers) In-Reply-To: <1126576010.21077.79.camel@localhost> References: <1126576010.21077.79.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <432644E3.30404@outerrim.org> Mike Hicks wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 11:01 -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: > Galeon also has smart bookmarks built in, so you can have one or more > search field right in your toolbar (I have one for Google and one for > Wikipedia -- er, a Google search in site:en.wikipedia.org), or create a > bookmark elsewhere with "%s" somewhere in there and use a keyword to > search. For instance, I have a keword bookmark named "news" that > searches Google News, plus others for Netflix and IMDB so I don't have > to browse to the site to use their search engine. Type in "imdb back to > the future", and there you go.. (Firefox has a few keywords built in, > such as "map" and "news", but I haven't figured out where they're > configured -- I don't like their default behaviors). These are configured in the bookmark properties (right-click on a bookmark->properties). The keyword field is what you want. You can edit the built-in ones this way (I have google setup with '?'), also. It works the same way as Galeon; put a %s in the bookmark location.. Mike From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Sep 12 22:20:35 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon Sep 12 22:21:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: <23962736.1126543482870.JavaMail.root@sniper25> References: <23962736.1126543482870.JavaMail.root@sniper25> Message-ID: <200509122220.35747.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Monday 12 September 2005 11:35 am, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > I use Firefox since it is reasonably consistent between Windows, Linux > and the Mac. I'm using a couple of plug-ins to block ads, block flash, > selectively block Javascript and so on that I'd be hard pressed to do > without. > > I used Opera for a while a couple of years ago but haven't used it > lately, but it did a pretty good job. At the time it was the only > browser doing tabbed windows and it offered saved sessions and preset > sessions. I had it set up to open the dozen or so sites I checked the > first thing every morning. > > Both offer fairly quick development cycles with lots of new features. > And if you have to work on other platforms, they're both available for > Win/Lin/Mac. > > --rick > > Paul Fierro wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I use Linux on the server end but not much on the client end. What are the > >better Web browsers Linux users use? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Paul > > > > In Linux/BSD I usually use Konqueror. Why? It loads really quick, it does everything I want now that it supports mouse gestures. I don't hear too much about that from any Opera users but mouse gestures to me is worth a ton of minor annoyances that Opera has had, most of which are now configurable anyways. Mouse gestures are so much quicker than even simple/common keyboard shortcuts, especially when you are say, reading and scrolling down with one hand and then say holding a beer in your other hand. Konqueror has great integration with my desktop and the mplayer plugin works great. 99% or more of sites I go to, Konqueror renders just fine. In my situation, why use anything else? I use Firefox and Opera when using a MS run computer. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:08:24 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Tue Sep 13 09:10:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers In-Reply-To: <20050912232641.GB7941@dandrake.org> References: <200509122051.j8CKpVnL030145@turbo.software.umn.edu> <20050912232641.GB7941@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <4326DD58.3060208@gmail.com> dan wrote: >This is veering slightly off-topic, but I've used the Firefox 1.5 beta >on Linux and OS X and it works very well -- quite snappy. Many >extensions don't work yet, but I presume that will be fixed soon. > > Actually, I have found most extensions work just fine - but you have to manually enable them. Assuming that you had a bunch of extensions installed before your upgrade to the latest beta, go to /extensions//install.rdf And then find the appropriate tag, and change it from "1.0+" (or whatever it happens to be) to "1.5+" Restart Firefox, and magically, the extensions work. The file /extensions/Extensions.rdf serves as a map from the "nice" extension name to the appropriate hex-labeled extension folder. Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:02:37 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Tue Sep 13 13:04:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: hard drive failure Message-ID: <65293fcc0509131102181d7bf9@mail.gmail.com> I have a hard drive that is not detected by the bios - it spins up and then you hear what sounds like a ping pong ball being dropped into a tin can "plunk, plunkplunk" and then about 2 seconds later "plunk, plunkplunk". Thought this would be a good time to learn and play with a drive (open it up and check out what's going on). I figure that there's nothing I can do to get ANY data off of it - or is there? To me it sounds like the arm that has the heads on it is trying to sweep out and read the disk but "plunking" back to the park position - is this an indication of the controller board going bad? Anyone know of a resource where I can read up and figure out what is failing - I've googled all morning but keep getting hits for data recovery services.... thanks john From brockn at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:18:08 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue Sep 13 13:18:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0509131102181d7bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0509131102181d7bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb805091311187872e5d7@mail.gmail.com> If you want the data off, OnTrack will do an assessment for $100.00 and give you a listing of the data you can get off. Then to actually get the data it will cost between $800-2400. If your interested, let me as I get a discount for my CSI Minneapolis business. Brock On 9/13/05, John Meier wrote: > I have a hard drive that is not detected by the bios - it spins up and > then you hear what sounds like a ping pong ball being dropped into a > tin can "plunk, plunkplunk" and then about 2 seconds later "plunk, > plunkplunk". > > Thought this would be a good time to learn and play with a drive (open > it up and check out what's going on). I figure that there's nothing I > can do to get ANY data off of it - or is there? > > To me it sounds like the arm that has the heads on it is trying to > sweep out and read the disk but "plunking" back to the park position - > is this an indication of the controller board going bad? Anyone know > of a resource where I can read up and figure out what is failing - > I've googled all morning but keep getting hits for data recovery > services.... > > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duff0097 at umn.edu Tue Sep 13 16:38:56 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan J Duff) Date: Tue Sep 13 16:40:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux browsers Message-ID: <200509132138.j8DLcuuP013617@turbo.software.umn.edu> On 12 Sep 2005, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > On Monday 12 September 2005 15:51, Bryan J Duff wrote: > > On the Linux only side of things, Konqueror, while probably not as good as > > Firefox or Opera, is worth checking out (and it requires KDE deps). > > All browsers have dependencies unless they are statically compiled. > Konqueror's dependencies, while peculiar to Konqueror, are analogous to > Firefox's dependencies. '[N]ot being as good' is entirely subjective. Sure. s/probably/possibly/ - is more to what I meant. And yes all browsers have deps, but konqueror doesn't simply require qt, but much of kde, whereas firefox only needs gtk and glib, and a couple other small deps (libmng?). For some people that like a small footprint kde isn't exactly for them, imho. This usually is only an issue with old computers. Although if you aren't a kde fan, I've had issues in the past with konqueror and other window managers. > > -- > Samir M. Nassar > SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Tue Sep 13 23:09:01 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Tue Sep 13 23:08:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thank you! Message-ID: <4327A25D.40008@mchsi.com> Thanks so much to Chris and Shawn. Just so all of tclug knows it, they are great, generous guys and deserve a pat on the back. I got a lot of good hardware, and I've managed to convince both of my sisters (aged 19 and 23) to switch to linux if I give them a free computer and make it "just work." hehe So anyway, I am hoping to convert two more... yay! and again, thakns so much guys nick -- ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Shawn Fertch Subject: Re: [Fwd: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad] Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:40:09 -0500 Size: 12566 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050913/4f04fd68/AttachedMessage.eml From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 10:38:28 2005 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Wed Sep 14 10:42:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VHS to DVD conversion Message-ID: <914f813c0509140838dfa9ee7@mail.gmail.com> All, I'm looking to convert a single VHS tape to DVD. I don't need a menu or fancy case or menu or anything, just the video converted. It's probably under 2 hours, and I don't want to spend over $15 or $20. Anything over that and I'll just go buy a video capture device and do it myself. If you can provide a reference for someone that will do this, I would appreciate it. -John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050914/313110f4/attachment-0001.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 14 11:03:56 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed Sep 14 11:04:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VHS to DVD conversion In-Reply-To: <914f813c0509140838dfa9ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <914f813c0509140838dfa9ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > All, > > I'm looking to convert a single VHS tape to DVD. ... > If you can provide a reference for someone that will do this, I would > appreciate it. I can do it (: -Yaron -- From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Sep 15 17:15:42 2005 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Thu Sep 15 17:17:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems Message-ID: <52388.132.189.76.10.1126822542.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Just setup a new gentoo box and I'm running into permission problems. I get an error when I log in as a regular user saying that I don't have permission to access /dev/null. When I check.../dev/null is chmod 600. I can get rid of that error by chmodding it to 666 but it changes back any time I reboot. Also I can't run startx unless I'm either logged in as root or set my user to have group root. But when I do that I can't start terminals in Gnome - it says "There was an error creating a child process for this terminal". Anybody seen this before? Thanks for any help, Brady From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 17:24:10 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu Sep 15 17:24:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Podcast In-Reply-To: <58238db8050818182733248da0@mail.gmail.com> References: <925901A0-92FF-406F-92CD-BC8CFC93926E@visi.com> <4303A5F3.4020809@rosengren.org> <43048D7D.50202@pragmapool.com> <58238db8050818182733248da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's alive! It's alive! I found Dircaster, which is a PHP script that generats the XML on the fly. So every time iTunes hits up my URL on the local network, new XML content and the latest 5 recordings show up. Simple, easy, exactly what I wanted! Yay!!! http://www.shadydentist.com/wordpress/software/dircaster -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Thu Sep 15 18:41:45 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Thu Sep 15 18:43:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems In-Reply-To: <52388.132.189.76.10.1126822542.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <52388.132.189.76.10.1126822542.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <1126827705.19112.243033397@webmail.messagingengine.com> It may be related to your groups. I run Gentoo and my user id is in the following groups: tty wheel floppy audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users. I can use /dev/null even though the owner of it is root:root. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? ----- Original message ----- From: bradyh@bitstream.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems Just setup a new gentoo box and I'm running into permission problems. I get an error when I log in as a regular user saying that I don't have permission to access /dev/null. When I check.../dev/null is chmod 600. I can get rid of that error by chmodding it to 666 but it changes back any time I reboot. Also I can't run startx unless I'm either logged in as root or set my user to have group root. But when I do that I can't start terminals in Gnome - it says "There was an error creating a child process for this terminal". Anybody seen this before? Thanks for any help, Brady _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brockn at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 23:32:29 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Thu Sep 15 23:33:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems In-Reply-To: <1126827705.19112.243033397@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <52388.132.189.76.10.1126822542.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> <1126827705.19112.243033397@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80509152132451299a4@mail.gmail.com> I have setup at least 30 gentoo installs and I have never seen that before...... brock@www brock $ ls -l /dev/null crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/null brock@www brock $ groups users wheel apache brock@www brock $ echo hello > /dev/null Brock On 9/15/05, Isaac Atilano wrote: > It may be related to your groups. > I run Gentoo and my user id is in the following groups: tty wheel floppy > audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users. I can use /dev/null even though > the owner of it is root:root. > > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? > > ----- Original message ----- > From: bradyh@bitstream.net > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems > > Just setup a new gentoo box and I'm running into permission problems. I > get an error when I log in as a regular user saying that I don't have > permission to access /dev/null. When I check.../dev/null is chmod 600. > I > can get rid of that error by chmodding it to 666 but it changes back any > time I reboot. > > Also I can't run startx unless I'm either logged in as root or set my > user > to have group root. But when I do that I can't start terminals in Gnome > - > it says "There was an error creating a child process for this terminal". > > Anybody seen this before? > > Thanks for any help, > Brady > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Sep 16 02:43:49 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri Sep 16 02:45:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems In-Reply-To: <29136992.1126845566641.JavaMail.root@sniper9> References: <52388.132.189.76.10.1126822542.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> <1126827705.19112.243033397@webmail.messagingengine.com> <29136992.1126845566641.JavaMail.root@sniper9> Message-ID: <200509160243.50650.jus@krytosvirus.com> It is your dev settings stored in /etc/devfsd.conf (if you use devfs) or /etc/udev/* (if you use udev, probably this for a fresh install) I used to have a similar problem with dev null and with my nvidia dev interface, I could not start anything 3D like neverwinter nights until I chmod'ed it to 666. So I finally went into my devfs settings. My Gentoo install was installed about 3 years ago and I have not switched over to udev. I have a recently installed Gentoo amd64 box using udev, here is a sample of some of my udev files. jus@kronos /etc/udev $ grep null */* permissions.d/50-udev.permissions:null:root:root:0666 rules.d/50-udev.rules:KERNEL=="null", NAME="%k", MODE="0666" scripts/cdsymlinks.sh: local DEVLS="`ls -dl \"/dev/$2\" \"/dev/$2\"[0-9]* 2>/dev/null`" jus@kronos /etc/udev $ HTH On Thursday 15 September 2005 11:32 pm, Brock Noland wrote: > I have setup at least 30 gentoo installs and I have never seen that > before...... > > brock@www brock $ ls -l /dev/null > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/null > brock@www brock $ groups > users wheel apache > brock@www brock $ echo hello > /dev/null > > Brock > > On 9/15/05, Isaac Atilano wrote: > > It may be related to your groups. > > I run Gentoo and my user id is in the following groups: tty wheel floppy > > audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users. I can use /dev/null even though > > the owner of it is root:root. > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > From: bradyh@bitstream.net > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (CDT) > > Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems > > > > Just setup a new gentoo box and I'm running into permission problems. I > > get an error when I log in as a regular user saying that I don't have > > permission to access /dev/null. When I check.../dev/null is chmod 600. > > I > > can get rid of that error by chmodding it to 666 but it changes back any > > time I reboot. > > > > Also I can't run startx unless I'm either logged in as root or set my > > user > > to have group root. But when I do that I can't start terminals in Gnome > > - > > it says "There was an error creating a child process for this terminal". > > > > Anybody seen this before? > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Brady > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duff0097 at umn.edu Fri Sep 16 10:30:02 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan J Duff) Date: Fri Sep 16 10:31:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems Message-ID: <200509161530.j8GFU2si025441@trojan.software.umn.edu> It also may be issues with udev permissions. I have similar issues with Xorg snapshots. $ grep -ni "null" /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules 168:KERNEL=="null", NAME="%k", MODE="0666" $ ls -l /dev/null crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Sep 13 12:08 /dev/null Although your problem may be something else because those should be the defaults. Try running $ /sbin/udevstart as root, to restart udev settings. -Bryan On 15 Sep 2005, Isaac Atilano wrote: > It may be related to your groups. > I run Gentoo and my user id is in the following groups: tty wheel floppy > audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users. I can use /dev/null even though > the owner of it is root:root. > > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? > > ----- Original message ----- > From: bradyh@bitstream.net > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo Problems > > Just setup a new gentoo box and I'm running into permission problems. I > get an error when I log in as a regular user saying that I don't have > permission to access /dev/null. When I check.../dev/null is chmod 600. > I > can get rid of that error by chmodding it to 666 but it changes back any > time I reboot. > > Also I can't run startx unless I'm either logged in as root or set my > user > to have group root. But when I do that I can't start terminals in Gnome > - > it says "There was an error creating a child process for this terminal". > > Anybody seen this before? > > Thanks for any help, > Brady > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at natecarlson.com Fri Sep 16 11:26:40 2005 From: natecars at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Sep 16 11:27:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Inexpensive colo redux Message-ID: Hey all, Just a note for anyone interested - I've still got a few rack units of space available at a colo center in Minneapolis. I'm renting a half a rack, and looking for a few more people to sublet space to help cover the rent. I'm looking for $50/ru/mo, but if you need more space, let me know, and we can come up with something. That also assumes fairly low bandwidth usage (hasn't been a problem with anyone yet); if you need a good chunk of bandwidth, I just pass the cost from the ISP through without a markup. If you're interested, let me know.. note that commercial hosting is just fine -- this isn't limited to personal sites. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 16 13:14:05 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Sep 16 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack Message-ID: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> I'm not going to bother putting this on the TCLUG Classifieds, because I'm lazy. I have a 6' HP server rack that I don't intend on using any more. It's in my garage, free for the taking. Let me know if you're interested. I plan on sending an email to TCFreenet if I don't have any takers here. As cool as it is to have a server rack, there's just no acceptable place for one in this house (and I REALLY don't want to try putting it in the basement again). -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 16 14:31:02 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Sep 16 14:31:23 2005 Subject: (OT) Re: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack In-Reply-To: References: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Is it any good? It's a rack. How can it be good or bad? ;-) > Can it hold a nice Dell server (if the Dell server has the right > rails...) Can it be dissassembled? :-D Standard 19" cabinet with a door on the backside, spacers on the front. Its not threaded and needs the s-nut inserts in order mount anything. I'll include what I purchased for it. It's wired for 220 volt, so you may want to add your own 120 volt power strip. I do not think it can be disassembled, though I haven't tried. > I'm kinda looking for one that I can ship out to our LA office... Might be expensive to ship. It's heavy. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Sep 16 14:47:23 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri Sep 16 14:47:24 2005 Subject: (OT) Re: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack In-Reply-To: <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20050916144723.000054f6@c16360> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:31:02 -0500 Chad Walstrom wrote: > Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > Is it any good? > > It's a rack. How can it be good or bad? ;-) > > > Can it hold a nice Dell server (if the Dell server has the right > > rails...) Can it be dissassembled? :-D > > Standard 19" cabinet with a door on the backside, spacers on the > front. Its not threaded and needs the s-nut inserts in order mount > anything. I'll include what I purchased for it. It's wired for 220 > volt, so you may want to add your own 120 volt power strip. > > I do not think it can be disassembled, though I haven't tried. > > > I'm kinda looking for one that I can ship out to our LA office... > > Might be expensive to ship. It's heavy. Is this the same thing you'd find something like an HP K-9000 in? I have one in my basement and I'm moving in about 1/2 year so mine will be up for grabs soon too. I thought I'd play with the server a little, but just didn't have the time. And yes, it's one heavy beast. The rack is very nice, though I'm not sure if something is funky with the power, the whole unit seems to have a charge even with my 120v power strip. Josh From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 16 15:48:21 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Sep 16 15:49:24 2005 Subject: (OT) Re: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack In-Reply-To: <20050916144723.000054f6@c16360> References: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916144723.000054f6@c16360> Message-ID: <20050916204821.4D08EFCD@skuld.wookimus.net> Josh Trutwin wrote: > Is this the same thing you'd find something like an HP K-9000 in? Probably. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 16:00:58 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri Sep 16 16:01:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest ?? Message-ID: What has become of a plan to do another Installfest? Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050916/749f1043/attachment.htm From kaze0010 at umn.edu Fri Sep 16 16:12:32 2005 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Fri Sep 16 16:03:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VHS to DVD conversion In-Reply-To: <914f813c0509140838dfa9ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050916161232.04186ef0@127.0.0.1> At 10:38 AM 9/14/2005 -0500, John T. Hoffoss wrote: >>>> All, I'm looking to convert a single VHS tape to DVD. I don't need a menu or fancy case or menu or anything, just the video converted. It's probably under 2 hours, and I don't want to spend over $15 or $20. Anything over that and I'll just go buy a video capture device and do it myself. If you can provide a reference for someone that will do this, I would appreciate it. -John <<<< If you go the capture device route, I strongly recommend the Canopus ADVC-100. It is an external hardware audio/video capture device that converts composite or SVHS video to and from DV (over a Firewire/IEEE1394 interface). It also has a Macrovision override option enabled by holding down the input select button for about 20 seconds while turning the device on. From what I've read, the newer ADVC-110 does not have a Macrovision override. I definitely do not recommend the Dazzle (DVC) capture device. There are many messages littering forums in regards to the instability, poor reliability, and other issues with the Dazzle. You could also get an internal capture card. I like the ADVC-100 because it never loses audio/video sync, is stable, and just works. It can be found on ebay for under $200. You can also use the ADVC-100 in conjunction with an external tuner (e.g. an old VCR with a broken tape mechanism) and a GraphEdit filter graph to watch live video/TV (with audio) on your PC. I can share my GraphEdit filter graph with anyone interested. If you go this route, remember that DV (25 mbps) is about 13 gb/hour, and that you'll need to re-encode it to Mpeg-2 for DVD. -hk From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Sep 17 00:54:50 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Sep 17 00:55:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509170554.j8H5sol03218@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: LPT Programmer Kind of off topic, but if anyone has an LPT programmer (xbox/linux) I would love to buy it. Tried to flash my bios on a moded xbox and broke it. evisuale@yahoo.com Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 07:31:54 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sat Sep 17 07:31:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c6699da05091705311f47bafa@mail.gmail.com> On 9/16/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > > What has become of a plan to do another Installfest? Not sure about the TCLUG installfest. If anyone wants to make the trek, SCALUG will be holding one in mid October in St. Cloud. From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 08:40:41 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat Sep 17 08:41:38 2005 Subject: Fwd: (OT) Re: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05091706396dcb9513@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916144723.000054f6@c16360> <20050916204821.4D08EFCD@skuld.wookimus.net> <67f3084a05091706396dcb9513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a05091706406352de36@mail.gmail.com> On 9/16/05, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Is this the same thing you'd find something like an HP K-9000 in? > > Probably. > If it's the rack I'm thinking of, the top is removable by 4 or 8 bolts. One or two per corner. If you don't care about the door, or side panels, you can cut the uprights to a desired height. I'm guessing you'll want a torch, or plasma cutter to do so. 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From admin at lctn.org Sat Sep 17 12:27:57 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Sat Sep 17 12:29:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] where to look In-Reply-To: <2095.68.115.81.229.1126976886.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <2095.68.115.81.229.1126976886.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <2197.68.115.81.229.1126978077.squirrel@lctn.org> Found it. /var/log/squid was not writable. > Squid is failing to start on one of our servers. Is there a log file I can > view to find out why? From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Sun Sep 18 00:44:29 2005 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Sun Sep 18 00:45:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] JS / UIX Message-ID: JS/UIX is a Unix-like operating system which runs in your web browser. It is written in JavaScript and features a virtual machine, a shell, a virtual file system, process-management and of course a text terminal. http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ Click "open terminal" to start running a session of it in your browser. From tmarble at info9.net Sun Sep 18 10:47:29 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Sun Sep 18 10:48:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] debian cannot upgrade libc6 ? Message-ID: <432D8C11.4070303@info9.net> Debian Gurus: I'm trying to upgrade libc6 in my UML session at Real-Time from libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 to libc6_2.3.5-6 but this never completes successfully. I understand that upgrading libc6 is "pulling the rug" out from under sshd and it's understandable that my ssh connection is getting closed. I've tried to start this upgrade as a background process with (alternatively): apt-get -q -y install libc6 > /tmp/apt.log 2>&1 & apt-get -q -y -f install > /tmp/install.log 2>&1 & dpkg -i libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb > /tmp/dpkg.log 2>&1 & Each without success. And all I see in the logs is Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 (using libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb) ... I've looked at the following bugs, but have not found a resolution: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325504 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=205039 Is there a way to perform this upgrade when getting to a real console or even a serial port is not a possibility? Thanks! --Tom From tpeterson at gonorthshore.com Wed Sep 14 14:16:05 2005 From: tpeterson at gonorthshore.com (Tim Peterson) Date: Sun Sep 18 12:53:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Admin needed Message-ID: NorthShore Resources is currently in need of a strong Linux/Unix admin. Strong admin skills in a dynamic environment is required. Person will be required to participate in an oncall rotation. This a contract/contract for hire position. Initial contract will go through first quarter 2006. This is an immediate need. Tim Peterson NorthShore Resources, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone wants to make the > trek, SCALUG will be holding one in mid October in St. Cloud. > And to the south, NORLUG's holding one October 22nd. http://norlug.org/?op=installfests From bhurt at spnz.org Sun Sep 18 22:07:30 2005 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Sun Sep 18 22:06:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] JS / UIX In-Reply-To: <20050918055143.B05BE8F173@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050918055143.B05BE8F173@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Mark Browne wrote: > JS/UIX is a Unix-like operating system which runs in your web browser. It is > > written in JavaScript and features a virtual machine, a shell, a virtual > file system, process-management and of course a text terminal. > > http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ > > Click "open terminal" to start running a session of it in your browser. And if this isn't a demonstration of what sort of gaping security hole Javascript is, I don't know what is. Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 18 22:59:55 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Sun Sep 18 23:00:15 2005 Subject: (OT) Re: [tclug-list] 6' HP Server Rack In-Reply-To: References: <20050916181405.9136619@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050916193102.5BAF026A@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20050919035955.A42404BA@skuld.wookimus.net> Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > If nobody else is offering to get it, I'll need the dimensions to > estimate shipping cost. (6' H x 19" W x Y" Deep?) As long as the > shipping costs are lower than new equipment we don't care. :) It appears to be 28" deep, rail to rail, 33-34" deep cabinet sides (not counting the door). It's 19" side to side, and add about two or so inches for the cabinet sides. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From poptix at poptix.net Mon Sep 19 20:31:44 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Sep 19 20:32:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wireless bridge? to tie one network to another In-Reply-To: <1127068532.12166.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43162E93.10605@mchsi.com> <1125545604.20485.10.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> <1127068532.12166.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1127179905.5107.9.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 13:35 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > If you get some hackable firmware, you can make a wireless router > operate as a *client* to an existing network, and use Linux's bridging > to bridge the wireless to the LAN no, you can't. From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:11:15 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 19 21:12:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] debian cannot upgrade libc6 ? In-Reply-To: <432D8C11.4070303@info9.net> References: <432D8C11.4070303@info9.net> Message-ID: On 9/18/05, Tom Marble wrote: > Debian Gurus: > > I'm trying to upgrade libc6 in my UML session at Real-Time > from libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 to libc6_2.3.5-6 but this never > completes successfully. > > I understand that upgrading libc6 is "pulling the rug" out > from under sshd and it's understandable that my ssh connection > is getting closed. I've tried to start this upgrade as a > background process with (alternatively): > > apt-get -q -y install libc6 > /tmp/apt.log 2>&1 & > apt-get -q -y -f install > /tmp/install.log 2>&1 & > dpkg -i libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb > /tmp/dpkg.log 2>&1 & this wont work, since when SSH disconnects, your terminal goes away. Backgrounding a process dosnt detach it from the terminal. > Is there a way to perform this upgrade when getting to a real > console or even a serial port is not a possibility? Take a look at screen. It will let you truely leave a session detached. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From rwh at visi.com Mon Sep 19 22:06:10 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Mon Sep 19 22:08:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wireless bridge? to tie one network to another In-Reply-To: <1127179905.5107.9.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <43162E93.10605@mchsi.com> <1125545604.20485.10.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> <1127068532.12166.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127179905.5107.9.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <432F7CA2.3080903@visi.com> It certainly seems like OpenWRT will do it either as a bridge or as a client doing NAT. What am I missing? --rick http://woz.gs/wifi/openwrtbridge.html Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 13:35 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >>If you get some hackable firmware, you can make a wireless router >>operate as a *client* to an existing network, and use Linux's bridging >>to bridge the wireless to the LAN >> >> > >no, you can't. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 06:49:21 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Tue Sep 20 06:50:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Opera is now free Message-ID: <307a337f0509200449f6fd1ab@mail.gmail.com> http://www.opera.com/ From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Sep 20 08:02:20 2005 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Tue Sep 20 08:03:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wireless bridge? to tie one network to another In-Reply-To: <43162E93.10605@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000401c5bde3$892c12c0$0439a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> The SAM club in Shakopee has one of the wireless range extenders for ~$60. It is the last one and is in the back of the store near the milk cooler. The unit uses a master plugin that connects to the wireless router and a slave plugin that extends the range. It looks like it uses the power line to make the connection between the two plugins. Joseph Key From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 10:56:50 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Tue Sep 20 10:57:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Kickstart configuration question Message-ID: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> I'm working on building a kickstart system. I have it working in it's basic level, however now I want to start adding post scripts to it that are hosted on our kickstart server. I've tried both nfs mounting the exported filesystem, as well as using wget to pull the scripts. What it looks like I'm running into is that the system either can't make network calls at the post level, or it's failing to write to the directory. I think it's failing to hit the network in the post level. Brief overview of what I'm doing: 1) Boot off of media, then at prompt I enter in the following: linux ks=nfs::/var/ftp/pub/ks.cfg 2) Once that loads, it comes back and asks me how I want to install. I select the NFS option, then proceed to enter in the server/source information. 3) The install starts and runs automatically until I get to the reboot screen. I know at the time of doing the RH install it's on the network. I'm using the DHCP server assigned address. However, it appears as if in the %post section is where it loses it's network connection. Any thoughts or suggestions on what I can try? I've been going off of the RH kickstart documentation, as well as various google searches. But, I have not seen anything address this particular issue. If it makes a difference, I'm using RHELv3(update 5) Thanks! -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It could also be something with the chroot that's done when entering the post section. You could try turning that off and just make sure your scripts have the full path to the new system (/mnt/sysimage I think...). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050920/36f2c4d0/attachment.htm From jeremy at rosengren.org Tue Sep 20 11:22:09 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Tue Sep 20 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Kickstart configuration question In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43303731.6030008@rosengren.org> Shawn Fertch wrote: > Any thoughts or suggestions on what I can try? I've been going off of > the RH kickstart documentation, as well as various google searches. > But, I have not seen anything address this particular issue. > > If it makes a difference, I'm using RHELv3(update 5) > Does the box have a Gigabit NIC in it? I've seen lots of strange interactions between RedHat's installer and Gigabit cards, mostly having to do with the default timeouts in anaconda not being long enough to allow the NIC to sync with the switch fully. You can put the following lines at the top of your %post section to make anaconda switch terminals so you can see what's going on: %post exec < /dev/tty3 > /dev/tty3 chvt 3 chvt 1 Stick that code in your ks.cfg file and put a sleep command in there to make sure the %post is getting executed. There are also a couple of boot options you might play with to see if they help: --linksleep and --ksdevice. -- jeremy From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 12:14:50 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Tue Sep 20 12:15:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Kickstart configuration question In-Reply-To: <579c6fd305092009377997710a@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd305092009377997710a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a05092010147b6756e2@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/05, EP wrote: > > What are you trying to do in the post section? A little more info would > help. > > I have a kickstart script that uses http to get files in the post section > and I have no problems. So my guess is that it's something in this part of > your file. > > It could also be something with the chroot that's done when entering the > post section. You could try turning that off and just make sure your scripts > have the full path to the new system (/mnt/sysimage I think...). There's a few differenct versions that I've tried, but in essence here's the most recent post section: %post ifconfig -a >> /tmp/ifcfg.out mkdir -p /var/logs/admin mkdir -p /usr/local/admin/bin mkdir /install chmod 777 /install cd /install wget http://10.2.0.51/kickstart/scripts/admins* sh /install/admins.sh wget http://10.203.4.51/kickstart/extra-rpm/tsm/*.rpm rpm -i TIVsm-API.i386.rpm rpm -i TIVsm-BA.i386.rpm In essence, I tried to run a script to add users either from an nfs mount or copy to system being built and run it locall there. Also, was trying to install additional rpm's. I put the ifconfig command in there on this last time to see if it was losing it's network connection. It's not. This latest iteration is http, the prior ones were nfs. I'll look into the chroot part and see if that's the cause of it. As to the Gigabit NIC, no there isn't one. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050920/e3491222/attachment.htm From jeremy at rosengren.org Tue Sep 20 12:29:33 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Tue Sep 20 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Kickstart configuration question In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05092010147b6756e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd305092009377997710a@mail.gmail.com> <67f3084a05092010147b6756e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433046FD.8070602@rosengren.org> Shawn Fertch wrote: > %post > ifconfig -a >> /tmp/ifcfg.out > mkdir -p /var/logs/admin > mkdir -p /usr/local/admin/bin > mkdir /install > chmod 777 /install > cd /install > wget http://10.2.0.51/kickstart/scripts/admins* > sh /install/admins.sh > wget http://10.203.4.51/kickstart/extra-rpm/tsm/*.rpm > rpm -i TIVsm-API.i386.rpm > rpm -i TIVsm-BA.i386.rpm > Have you verified that you can access http://10.2.0.51/kickstart/scripts/admins* and http://10.203.4.51/kickstart/extra-rpm/tsm/*.rpm through a browser using those exact URLs (minus the globs, of course)? Webservers can be tricky when trying to access them via IP addresses depending on how they're configured. Is everything working until the point where it tries to wget? Try the virtual terminal change I posted in my previous reply to switch over to a terminal so that you can see what's going on. That way, if you're getting errors from wget, you'll know what they are. -- jeremy From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Sep 20 14:06:56 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:07:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509201906.j8KJ6uP20261@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 17inch CRT 17 inch NEC MultiSync FE770 - Black CRT It's in very good condition. $120 OBO Seller Email address: sheuer at member dot fsf dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Sep 20 14:08:00 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:09:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509201908.j8KJ80Q20967@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ATI Radeon 9500 ATI Radeon 9500 128MB Works. $80 OBO Seller Email address: sheuer at member dot fsf dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From dan at dandrake.org Tue Sep 20 14:07:34 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:11:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit" Message-ID: <20050920190734.GA7050@dandrake.org> Both at home (Debian unstable) and work (Fedora Core 3), when logging in I often get the little pop-up that says "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit." I'll click okay, and then it (often) immediately pops up again! Sometimes it stops after one click; sometimes after 2 or 3; and sometimes, it just keeps going and going and I have to play a whack-a-mole game with gnome-panel processes. Sometimes, it doesn't do it at all! It seems totally random. How can I stop this? I've previously tried deleting my .gnome2 and similar directories, but it comes back. Any suggestions? Dan PS: A bit of UI ranting: why does it need to tell me it's going to exit? If you're going to exit, just exit! Don't bother me about it! -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Webservers can be tricky > when trying to access them via IP addresses depending on how they're > configured. > > Is everything working until the point where it tries to wget? > > Try the virtual terminal change I posted in my previous reply to switch > over to a terminal so that you can see what's going on. That way, if > you're getting errors from wget, you'll know what they are. I gave it a go with outputting to another terminal and found a couple of errors in the wget command. I didn't go back and try to correct it under NFS at this time, but will going forward. In regards to the problems I was getting, I was always able to connect via IP address. I gave it IP's instead of FQDN info to save on typing in net info. When I was working with this under NFS, once the system was up and running after the kickstart, I could mount the NFS share via IP and run the script successfully. Thanks to everyone on the help. This allows me to get further along than I was before. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050920/73998e10/attachment.htm From lists at chuckhays.net Tue Sep 20 14:28:19 2005 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:29:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Network wiring panel for home? Message-ID: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just moved into a new house, and am looking for a wiring panel as a termination point for ethernet/coax wiring throughout the house. Does anyone have any recommendations? Any local suppliers? Thanks in advance for any advice you can share. -Chuck Hays From tmarble at info9.net Tue Sep 20 14:58:20 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Tue Sep 20 14:59:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit" In-Reply-To: <20050920190734.GA7050@dandrake.org> References: <20050920190734.GA7050@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <433069DC.70804@info9.net> dan wrote: > Both at home (Debian unstable) and work (Fedora Core 3), when logging in > I often get the little pop-up that says "I've detected a panel already > running, and will now exit." I'll click okay, and then it (often) immediately > pops up again! Dan, I got so fed up with Gnome 2.10 and it's family of "integrated" services that I decided there must be a better way. After doing an exhaustive search of window managers / desktop frameworks I've settled on a more minimal approach of Xfce: http://www.xfce.org/ While far from perfect, Xfce4 does everything that I need from a Window Manager without the long startup time, memory usage and almost "integrated" features. As an added bonus I don't have to feel that I'm supporting Miguel's .NET fantasy anymore. Regards, --Tom P.S. attached please find % dpkg --get-selections | grep xfce4 > xfce4-pkgs.txt -------------- next part -------------- gtk2-engines-xfce install libxfce4mcs-client-2 install libxfce4mcs-manager-2 install libxfce4util-1 install libxfcegui4-3 install xfce4 install xfce4-artwork install xfce4-battery-plugin install xfce4-clipman-plugin install xfce4-datetime-plugin install xfce4-diskperf-plugin install xfce4-goodies install xfce4-icon-theme install xfce4-mcs-manager install xfce4-mcs-plugins install xfce4-minicmd-plugin install xfce4-mixer install xfce4-netload-plugin install xfce4-notes-plugin install xfce4-panel install xfce4-session install xfce4-showdesktop-plugin install xfce4-systemload-plugin install xfce4-systray install xfce4-terminal install xfce4-toys install xfce4-trigger-launcher install xfce4-utils install xfce4-wavelan-plugin install From chris.smith at apigroupinc.us Tue Sep 20 14:58:34 2005 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.us (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue Sep 20 15:07:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] document management Message-ID: Anyone have any experience or suggestions with document management software that they would recommend? The old "paperless office" thing has reared its ugly head. I'd consider hosted and local installations, unfortunately most of our offices are spread across the country and connected via vpns, making anything more complicated. We are looking to archive cad drawings, scanned docs, etc. A web based solution is preferred, and if it is to be a locally managed solution Linux is necessary. Thanks! Christopher M. Smith Sr. Systems Administrator IS Dept. API Group Inc. www.apitools.net A day that is without troubles is not fulfilling. Rather, give me a day with troubles well handled so that I can be content with my achievements. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather, give me a day with troubles well handled so that I can be content with my achievements. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050920/08a6f2d7/attachment.htm From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:10:31 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Tue Sep 20 15:11:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Network wiring panel for home? In-Reply-To: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <65293fcc050920131066692740@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/05, Chuck Hays wrote: > I just moved into a new house, and am looking for a wiring panel as a > termination point for ethernet/coax wiring throughout the house. Does > anyone have any recommendations? Any local suppliers? > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can share. I know home depot has this stuff - no idea how it compares pricewise with a computer joint... From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 20 15:12:22 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Sep 20 15:15:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Network wiring panel for home? In-Reply-To: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Chuck Hays wrote: > I just moved into a new house, and am looking for a wiring panel as a > termination point for ethernet/coax wiring throughout the house. Does > anyone have any recommendations? Any local suppliers? No particular brand recommendations, but Graybar may be a good place to go. They've got a couple locations in town. http://www.graybar.com/ Jima From srcfoo at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:16:42 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Tue Sep 20 15:17:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Kickstart configuration question In-Reply-To: <67f3084a05092010147b6756e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a05092008567783114c@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd305092009377997710a@mail.gmail.com> <67f3084a05092010147b6756e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd305092013163dd1c384@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/05, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > wget http://10.2.0.51/kickstart/scripts/admins* > sh /install/admins.sh > wget http://10.203.4.51/kickstart/extra-rpm/tsm/*.rpm > Shawn, Wildcards don't work with http and wget. You need to use the -r option. You'll probably also want to use the -nH option to get rid of the parent dirs. This would definitely break things. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050920/e17542b5/attachment-0001.htm From tmarble at info9.net Tue Sep 20 15:39:46 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Tue Sep 20 15:41:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] debian cannot upgrade libc6 ? In-Reply-To: References: <432D8C11.4070303@info9.net> Message-ID: <43307392.3030304@info9.net> Jay wrote: > On 9/18/05, Tom Marble wrote: >>I'm trying to upgrade libc6 in my UML session at Real-Time >>from libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 to libc6_2.3.5-6 but this never >>completes successfully. > > this wont work, since when SSH disconnects, your terminal goes away. > Backgrounding a process dosnt detach it from the terminal. > > Take a look at screen. It will let you truely leave a session detached. It's a good point.. I did write a python script that does the fork twice trick to insure detachment. But ultimately it was a lack of swap space that caused dpkg to fail. The Real-Time guys found this and fixed it (and I've learned a lot about UML in the process). Thanks! --Tom From mburns+ml at clonetank.org Tue Sep 20 16:04:00 2005 From: mburns+ml at clonetank.org (Michael Burns) Date: Tue Sep 20 16:05:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] document management In-Reply-To: <43306c7d.754c8412.1dfe.2bed@mx.gmail.com> References: <43306c7d.754c8412.1dfe.2bed@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43307940.1070809@clonetank.org> Christopher Smith wrote: > Anyone have any experience or suggestions with document management software > that they would recommend? The old "paperless office" thing has reared its > ugly head. I'd consider hosted and local installations, unfortunately most > of our offices are spread across the country and connected via vpns, making > anything more complicated. We are looking to archive cad drawings, scanned > docs, etc. A web based solution is preferred, and if it is to be a locally > managed solution Linux is necessary. HaveYouConsideredUsingAWiki? See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki -- Michael From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Sep 20 16:43:06 2005 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Sep 20 16:35:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Network wiring panel for home? In-Reply-To: References: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050920164306.03c9d018@127.0.0.1> At 03:12 PM 9/20/2005 -0500, Jima wrote: >On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Chuck Hays wrote: >> I just moved into a new house, and am looking for a wiring panel as a >> termination point for ethernet/coax wiring throughout the house. Does >> anyone have any recommendations? Any local suppliers? > > No particular brand recommendations, but Graybar may be a good place to >go. They've got a couple locations in town. > >http://www.graybar.com/ Home Depot carries Leviton structured wiring kits but they're overpriced for what you get in my opinion, as I'd rather use industry standard patch panels. (homedepot.com's electrical -> datacom -> leviton section shows some of these). Home Depot does have decently priced CAT5e (1000' for $56+tax) and I like their Leviton modular QuickPort/keystone jacks, plates, and panels. HD is also a good source for 100' spools of 3/4" blue ENT tubing for about $30 which I use in the wall because initially I may not know how many or which types of cables (CAT5e and/or RG6 coax and/or fibre-optic, etc.) I'll want later. ENT in the walls in conjunction with a metal fish tape does wonders in making it easy to install new or replace in wall wiring. MicroCenter in Saint Louis Park (on Hwy 100) is also a possible source for standard 19" patch panels. For a home project, I ordered the Leviton 19" panels and 4U wall mount racks I needed via eBay. I've also done business with Cassidy in Minneapolis (http://www.cassidysales.com/ ) as a local source for Leviton patch panels (they carry other datacom supplies as well). Cassidy's building is quite close to one of the Graybar locations. If you've only got a handful of wires to terminate and would like to mix/match your own patch panel, you can get panels that accept Leviton Quickport style jacks in any position, letting you combine RJ-45 and coax jacks together. You could also get Leviton surface mount boxes, a 6 port faceplate for each box, and the appropriate number of modular jacks to create pseudo-6 port patch panels. I see no reason to use RJ-11/12 jacks anywhere anymore as they cost about the same as RJ-45 and are less flexible in terms of future options. -hk From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 21 00:13:26 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed Sep 21 00:13:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> Maybe it's just too late... I'm wondering if I can do something like this in /etc/dhcpd.conf on my DHCP server for a laptop which has a wireless care and an onboard ethernet adapter: # josh's laptop host joplin { hardware ethernet 00:30:ab:20:96:ff; # ma401 wireless card hardware ethernet 00:c0:f0:3d:0a:8d; # onboard NIC fixed-address 192.168.0.2; } I want to have DHCP assign this host to .2 whether it comes in via wireless or wired. dhcpd doesn't complain about syntax but when I go to the logs, but it's not assigning to .2, instead it's using .88: Sep 20 23:37:44 rachmaninoff dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:30:ab:20:96:ff via eth0 Sep 20 23:37:45 rachmaninoff dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.88 to 00:30:ab:20:96:ff via eth0 Sep 20 23:37:45 rachmaninoff dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.88 (192.168.0.3) from 00:30:ab:20:96:ff via eth0 Sep 20 23:37:45 rachmaninoff dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.88 to 00:30:ab:20:96:ff via eth0 Any ideas? The man page doesn't say if two hardware lines are legal, maybe the first one is getting overwritten by the second. Josh From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Wed Sep 21 00:54:04 2005 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Wed Sep 21 00:55:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> References: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> Message-ID: <20050921005404.09a2ee49@jthink.zeroink.com> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:13:26 -0500 Josh Trutwin wrote: > Maybe it's just too late... > > I'm wondering if I can do something like this in /etc/dhcpd.conf on > my DHCP server for a laptop which has a wireless care and an onboard > ethernet adapter: > > # josh's laptop > host joplin { > hardware ethernet 00:30:ab:20:96:ff; # ma401 wireless card > hardware ethernet 00:c0:f0:3d:0a:8d; # onboard NIC > fixed-address 192.168.0.2; > } If that's not working (wouldn't surprise me either way), why not just have two separate entries, different MAC, same IP? I assume .88 is the start of your dynamic 'range', hence the 2nd card getting the .88? (just curious) -Jay From nate at refried.org Wed Sep 21 07:35:27 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Wed Sep 21 07:37:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> References: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> Message-ID: <20050921123527.GA2717@refried.org> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:13:26AM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > dhcpd doesn't complain about syntax but when I go to the logs, but > it's not assigning to .2, instead it's using .88: Check the leases file of dhcpd to see if that address was already given out for that MAC address. It probably was already in the leases file and dhcpd just reused it. Stop dhcpd, remove it from the leases file, start dhcpd and see what happens. Nate From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 21 09:03:09 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed Sep 21 09:05:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050921123527.GA2717@refried.org> References: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> <20050921123527.GA2717@refried.org> Message-ID: <20050921090309.000062be@c16360> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:35:27 -0500 nate@refried.org (Nate Straz) wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:13:26AM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > dhcpd doesn't complain about syntax but when I go to the logs, but > > it's not assigning to .2, instead it's using .88: > > Check the leases file of dhcpd to see if that address was already given > out for that MAC address. It probably was already in the leases file > and dhcpd just reused it. Stop dhcpd, remove it from the leases file, > start dhcpd and see what happens. Good suggestion, but it wasn't in the leases file. Josh From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 21 09:09:31 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed Sep 21 09:11:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050921005404.09a2ee49@jthink.zeroink.com> References: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> <20050921005404.09a2ee49@jthink.zeroink.com> Message-ID: <20050921090931.00001375@c16360> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:54:04 -0500 Jay J wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:13:26 -0500 > Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > Maybe it's just too late... > > > > I'm wondering if I can do something like this in /etc/dhcpd.conf on > > my DHCP server for a laptop which has a wireless care and an onboard > > ethernet adapter: > > > > # josh's laptop > > host joplin { > > hardware ethernet 00:30:ab:20:96:ff; # ma401 wireless card > > hardware ethernet 00:c0:f0:3d:0a:8d; # onboard NIC > > fixed-address 192.168.0.2; > > } > > If that's not working (wouldn't surprise me either way), why not just > have two separate entries, different MAC, same IP? I tried: host joplin { hardware ethernet 00:30:ab:20:96:ff; # ma401 wireless card fixed-address 192.168.0.2; } host joplin { hardware ethernet 00:c0:f0:3d:0a:8d; # onboard NIC fixed-address 192.168.0.2; } But this was not valid syntax, having two hosts the same. If I use something like "joplin2" for the second entry would that cause any issues with the hostname for joplin? I am not sure if the host name entry in dhcpd.conf needs to match the actual hostname of the machine or if it's just a dumb label and I can call it foobar if I want. > I assume .88 is the start of your dynamic 'range', hence the 2nd card > getting the .88? (just curious) My range of dynamic addrs goes from 60 to 100 - not sure why 88 was selected. Obviously I'm not very seasoned with dhcp... :) Josh From tmarble at info9.net Wed Sep 21 10:01:00 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Wed Sep 21 10:03:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] multiple hardware lines in dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <20050921090931.00001375@c16360> References: <20050921001326.000074b9@prokofiev> <20050921005404.09a2ee49@jthink.zeroink.com> <20050921090931.00001375@c16360> Message-ID: <433175AC.7040001@info9.net> Josh Trutwin wrote: > But this was not valid syntax, having two hosts the same. If I use > something like "joplin2" for the second entry would that cause any > issues with the hostname for joplin? I am not sure if the host name > entry in dhcpd.conf needs to match the actual hostname of the machine > or if it's just a dumb label and I can call it foobar if I want. I think it does matter, but the real issue here isn't DHCP [1] it's your network config. As far as I know you cannot (or probably don't want to) assign the same subnet to two or more interfaces. Let's say: eth0 = # ma401 = 192.168.0.0/24 eth1 = # onboard NIC = 192.168.1.0/24 Then you could have joplin0 = 00:30:ab:20:96:ff = 192.168.0.2 on the wireless net joplin1 = 00:c0:f0:3d:0a:8d = 192.168.1.2 on the wired net And finally set an alias for joplin to point to joplin0 or joplin1 depending on which was in effect (using /etc/hosts or a proxy DNS server like pdnsd). FWIW I usually leave the vanilla hostname (e.g. joplin) point to 127.0.0.1 (or in some cases update a FQDN via a DHCP exit hook). HTH, --Tom [1] http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/dhcp/ From scharleson at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:14:31 2005 From: scharleson at gmail.com (Scott Charleson) Date: Wed Sep 21 11:15:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Any TCLUG meetings coming up..? Message-ID: Are there any meetings scheduled anytime soon..? Thanks..! Scott C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050921/29685008/attachment.htm From david.fawcett at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:45:39 2005 From: david.fawcett at gmail.com (David Fawcett) Date: Wed Sep 21 11:47:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Tour? Message-ID: Was there enough critical mass to lure Jeff Waugh of Ubuntu to swing through town on his tour? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050921/d719dbfa/attachment.htm From rharding at msufame.msu.edu Wed Sep 21 12:17:57 2005 From: rharding at msufame.msu.edu (Richard Harding) Date: Wed Sep 21 12:47:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] trying to get virtual mail with postfix going Message-ID: <433195C5.4090004@msufame.msu.edu> Wonder if I can get some help here. I'm trying to setup postfix with myql and virtual mail accounts. I've gotten the config all up and running and postfix starts w/o any errors. Dovecot appears to auth ok. When I try to send a message to my test account I get the following in mail.log postfix/virtual[1076]: 0780137D7A: to=, relay=virtual, delay=2, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: create /home/vmail/rharding@mitechie.com/tmp/1127316643.P1076.mitechie.com: Permission denied) postfix/virtual[1076]: warning: maildir access problem for UID/GID=101/103: create /home/vmail/rharding@mitechie.com/tmp/1127316643.P1076.mitechie.com: Permission denied postfix/virtual[1076]: warning: perhaps you need to create the maildirs in advance Now I have created the /home/vmail folder and it is 770 for the user/group postfix:postfix. Uid 101 and gid 103 are the uid and gid for the postfix user. Any ideas where else I'm missing some permission problem? Thanks for any tips. Rick From josh at tcbug.org Wed Sep 21 13:55:17 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed Sep 21 13:55:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] trying to get virtual mail with postfix going In-Reply-To: <433195C5.4090004@msufame.msu.edu> References: <433195C5.4090004@msufame.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200509211355.17970.josh@tcbug.org> On Wednesday 21 September 2005 12:17, Richard Harding wrote: > Wonder if I can get some help here. I'm trying to setup postfix > with myql and virtual mail accounts. I've gotten the config all up > and running and postfix starts w/o any errors. Dovecot appears to > auth ok. > > When I try to send a message to my test account I get the following > in mail.log > > postfix/virtual[1076]: 0780137D7A: to=, > relay=virtual, delay=2, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: > create > /home/vmail/rharding@mitechie.com/tmp/1127316643.P1076.mitechie.com >: Permission denied) > > postfix/virtual[1076]: warning: maildir access problem for > UID/GID=101/103: create > /home/vmail/rharding@mitechie.com/tmp/1127316643.P1076.mitechie.com >: Permission denied > > postfix/virtual[1076]: warning: perhaps you need to create the > maildirs in advance > > Now I have created the /home/vmail folder and it is 770 for the > user/group postfix:postfix. Uid 101 and gid 103 are the uid and gid > for the postfix user. > > Any ideas where else I'm missing some permission problem? > > Thanks for any tips. > > Rick > It might be helpful to see your virtual_* settings in main.conf -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 21 14:21:47 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Sep 21 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Inter-LUG picnic Message-ID: Passing this on on behalf of Adam Gurno of NORLUG. Jima ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Adam Gurno, NORLUG founder and former president here. NORLUG is hosting the First Annual MN InterLUG picnic/meeting: http://picnic.norlug.org -or- http://picnic.tclug.org Everyone is invited. There will be lots of food, fun, and a LUG vs. LUG competition that will determine the 1337357 LUG in the Land. If your entire group cannot attend, please consider sending a four member squad to represent your group during the competitions. Lots more information available from the pages above. All questions, ideas, and comments appreciated and answered! Hope to see you there! -- Adam Gurno adam[at]gurno[dot]com From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 19:07:40 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed Sep 21 19:09:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hiding X cursor Message-ID: <47f4d5e705092117074809a647@mail.gmail.com> I've set up an Ubuntu box using x.org and I'm trying to hide or get rid of the large X cursor. I just have a basic xsession starting up VLC in full screen mode, and that damn X keeps popping up for a few seconds every time it moves to the next item in the playlist. I've tried removing all the lines in the xorg.conf that refer to the mouse but no avail. Anybody have any tricks? -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 21 20:35:02 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed Sep 21 20:35:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hiding X cursor In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e705092117074809a647@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e705092117074809a647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There used to be a program called "xclutter"... I think it might still be around (quick google does show links). It'll hide the mouse cursor when there's no activity, so as long as you're not moving the mouse you should be fine. It messes up the mouse when you're trying to play games, though! On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I've set up an Ubuntu box using x.org and I'm trying to hide or get > rid of the large X cursor. I just have a basic xsession starting up > VLC in full screen mode, and that damn X keeps popping up for a few > seconds every time it moves to the next item in the playlist. I've > tried removing all the lines in the xorg.conf that refer to the mouse > but no avail. Anybody have any tricks? > > -- > Donovan Niesen > dniesen@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From kcbnac at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 08:02:56 2005 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Thu Sep 22 08:03:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Inter-LUG picnic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32fd45370509220602385b40a8@mail.gmail.com> Oooooo. Sounds like fun. I think I'm going to plan on going - who else thinks they can make it? Perhaps we should carpool? I'm here in Minneapolis, I can fit 3 comfortably in my car, plus room for some gear. Might be able to acquire a station wagon for the event, should we need the space. On 9/21/05, Jima wrote: > > Passing this on on behalf of Adam Gurno of NORLUG. > > Jima > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Adam Gurno, NORLUG founder and former president here. > > NORLUG is hosting the First Annual MN InterLUG picnic/meeting: > http://picnic.norlug.org -or- > http://picnic.tclug.org > > Everyone is invited. There will be lots of food, fun, and a LUG vs. > LUG competition that will determine the 1337357 LUG in the Land. If > your entire group cannot attend, please consider sending a four member > squad to represent your group during the competitions. > > Lots more information available from the pages above. All questions, > ideas, and comments appreciated and answered! > > Hope to see you there! > > > -- > Adam Gurno > adam[at]gurno[dot]com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050922/9e0d350b/attachment.htm From tclug at beitsahour.net Thu Sep 22 11:45:22 2005 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Thu Sep 22 11:45:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Inter-LUG picnic In-Reply-To: <32fd45370509220602385b40a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd45370509220602385b40a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4332DFA2.1060008@beitsahour.net> Keith Bachman wrote: > Oooooo. Sounds like fun. > > I think I'm going to plan on going - who else thinks they can make it? > Perhaps we should carpool? I'm here in Minneapolis, I can fit 3 > comfortably in my car, plus room for some gear. Might be able to > acquire a station wagon for the event, should we need the space. I knew my Outback would be useful for something. -- Munir Nassar From justin.vogt at bold.k12.mn.us Thu Sep 22 14:36:29 2005 From: justin.vogt at bold.k12.mn.us (justin.vogt@bold.k12.mn.us) Date: Thu Sep 22 14:37:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Squid Problems Message-ID: <50653.10.10.1.1.1127417789.squirrel@www.bold.k12.mn.us> This is my first post. I thank you for you input in advance. I have a FC3 box that is doing routing and is the proxy for my local lan. If I set my browser to hit the proxy manually on 3128 everything works fine. When I add the shorewall rule of.. REDIRECT loc 3128 tcp www I get the squid error page and message invalid url. When I check my squid access log I get this error TCP_DENIED/400 1433 GET / - NONE/- text/html Here is a copy of my squid.conf acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl passport dstdomain .passport.com acl manager proto cache_object acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 acl to_localhost dst 127.0.0.0/8 acl O src x.x.x.x/255.255.255.0 acl B src x.x.x.x/255.255.255.0 http_access allow O http_access allow passport http_access allow B acl SSL_ports port 443 563 acl Safe_ports port 80 # http acl Safe_ports port 21 # ftp acl Safe_ports port 443 563 # https, snews acl Safe_ports port 70 # gopher acl Safe_ports port 210 # wais acl Safe_ports port 1025-65535 # unregistered ports acl Safe_ports port 280 # http-mgmt acl Safe_ports port 488 # gss-http acl Safe_ports port 591 # filemaker acl Safe_ports port 777 # multiling http acl Safe_ports port 80 21 443 563 70 210 1025-65535 http_access deny !Safe_ports acl CONNECT method CONNECT no_cache deny !SSL_ports Justin Vogt From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Sep 22 17:02:12 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Thu Sep 22 17:03:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> In what may not have been the smartest move of all time (influenced by me!), my company is using Cyrus-IMAPd as our IMAP server, and Sendmail as our SMTP server. It works very well, but we get a lot of spam and I'd like to get SpamAssassin working well too. Since the user's don't have login accounts, a .procmailrc file cannot be created for each user. I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how to configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the moment. Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration files don't seem to do anything worthwhile. Many thanks, Chris From thecubic at thecubic.net Thu Sep 22 17:45:40 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Thu Sep 22 17:47:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <200509221745.53015.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Thursday 22 September 2005 17:02, Chris Schumann wrote: > I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how to > configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the moment. > Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration files don't > seem to do anything worthwhile. The default configuration for spamassassin on RHEL (4.0, can't say for 3) is activated by using procmail as a delivery system (doesn't require that the user have a procmailrc or home directory at all) - and the default for sendmail is to use procmail. There's an entry (in sendmail) for Cyrus that may be enabled in your server that bypasses procmail, and thus spamassassin. If Cyrus can be instructed to use spamc/spamd before delivery (you have to enable spamd), that may solve the problem entirely. From glancing at Cyrus' configuration, that doesn't seem possible. It looks as if you'd have to switch sendmail away from Cyrus's LMTP or at least put procmail in between sendmail and LMTP for it to work. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050922/1a0a5fa8/attachment.pgp From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Sep 22 22:04:31 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Sep 22 22:05:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509230304.j8N34Vl26699@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: systems for sale Hi All, I have 3 systems for sale, here are the details: Dell SFF GX1, VERY GOOD CONDITION P3-500 6.4gb HD 128mb ram CD intigrated Souund, 10/100 NIC, USB, Video 19" Compaq 9500 monitor, VERY GOOD CONDITION Dell Keyboard USB Mouse Loaded with Linspire's latest release $125.00 Perfect for Surf, Email, your desire!!! Call me @ 651-491-9501 (cell) or doughanson@comcast.net I bought them for a project and no longer need them! I also have a Packard Bell SFF Pent-233mmx, It's a good solid little box, good for the kids or whatever. $25.00 Seller Email address: doughanson at comcast dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Sep 23 08:52:58 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Sep 23 08:54:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <1125.64.211.83.42.1127446400.squirrel@www.cruiskeen.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <1125.64.211.83.42.1127446400.squirrel@www.cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <37186.192.28.2.17.1127483578.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Thanks for the tips, guys. After noodling around some more on the server, it looks like RHEL has it all integrated pretty well (so there's hope going forward). The bad news is that RHEL3 is only up to spamassassin 2.55, while 2.63 is required to even apply a patch for the URI blacklist scanning, and 3.0 has it built in. I can update spamassassin, of course, but I'd like to keep the update management simple, so I think I will hold off until we can update to RHEL4 and go from there. Chris Steve Hanson said: > > On Thu, September 22, 2005 5:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: >> In what may not have been the smartest move of all time (influenced by >> me!), my company is using Cyrus-IMAPd as our IMAP server, and Sendmail >> as our SMTP server. >> >> It works very well, but we get a lot of spam and I'd like to get >> SpamAssassin working well too. Since the user's don't have login >> accounts, a .procmailrc file cannot be created for each user. >> >> I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how to >> configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the >> moment. Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration >> files don't seem to do anything worthwhile. >> >> Many thanks, >> Chris >> > Well, you're probably not gonna like this but - > > What you really should do is just set up spamassassin to run directly > under sendmail, and have it spam-mark the mail. > > Personally I like to use Mimedefang - it's a milter that runs under > sendmail and will run spamassassin as well as any of a number of virus > filters. It's very flexible and pretty fast (I run it on a mail server > with 6000 users and it holds up pretty well. > > THere are a number of other such beasts available - if you just want to > run spamassassin you could install spamass-milter, which will just put > spam markings into your email. > > Then your users can set up filters on the IMAP server to do something > useful with the markings - put the mail into the Spam filter, or throw > it away if the score is really high (though I never do that myself). > > I believe there is some info on the spamassassin site on how to set up a > site-wide spamassassin implementation. I'd look at Mimedefang if you > want a lot of power, and at spamass-milter if you just want something > simpler. > > I'll see if I can dig up a couple of better pointers in the morning >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Steve Hanson > Cruiskeen Consulting > http://www.cruiskeenconsulting.com From shanson at cruiskeen.com Fri Sep 23 09:09:06 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Fri Sep 23 09:10:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <37186.192.28.2.17.1127483578.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <1125.64.211.83.42.1127446400.squirrel@www.cruiskeen.com> <37186.192.28.2.17.1127483578.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <43340C82.6000608@cruiskeen.com> Chris Schumann wrote: > Thanks for the tips, guys. After noodling around some more on the server, > it looks like RHEL has it all integrated pretty well (so there's hope > going forward). > > The bad news is that RHEL3 is only up to spamassassin 2.55, while 2.63 is > required to even apply a patch for the URI blacklist scanning, and 3.0 has > it built in. > > I can update spamassassin, of course, but I'd like to keep the update > management simple, so I think I will hold off until we can update to RHEL4 > and go from there. > You're probably going to find that it's best to be in a position to install Spamassasin yourself anyway - for example, Spamassasin 3.1 is now out and is a big improvement over 3.0.x in a lot of ways, particularly if you're trying to use the Bayesian filters for a large site. It's a pretty easy build and it's pretty easy to build it as an RPM. How many users and how much mail traffic are you supporting? Are you giving your users access to the SIEVE filters in cyrus? If so, how are you doing it? We are currently using a plugin in Squirrelmail, since lots of our users (University campus, lots of students) use Squirrel as their only email client. This works fairly well for the comparatively small number of people who actually set up server-side filtering. And since I'm actually sending this email from the address I'm subscribed to the list from, this will probably actually post to the list :-(. > Chris > > Steve Hanson said: > >>On Thu, September 22, 2005 5:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: >> >>>In what may not have been the smartest move of all time (influenced by >>>me!), my company is using Cyrus-IMAPd as our IMAP server, and Sendmail >>>as our SMTP server. >>> >>>It works very well, but we get a lot of spam and I'd like to get >>>SpamAssassin working well too. Since the user's don't have login >>>accounts, a .procmailrc file cannot be created for each user. >>> >>>I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how to >>>configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the >>>moment. Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration >>>files don't seem to do anything worthwhile. >>> >>>Many thanks, >>>Chris >>> >> >>Well, you're probably not gonna like this but - >> >>What you really should do is just set up spamassassin to run directly >>under sendmail, and have it spam-mark the mail. >> >>Personally I like to use Mimedefang - it's a milter that runs under >>sendmail and will run spamassassin as well as any of a number of virus >>filters. It's very flexible and pretty fast (I run it on a mail server >>with 6000 users and it holds up pretty well. >> >>THere are a number of other such beasts available - if you just want to >>run spamassassin you could install spamass-milter, which will just put >>spam markings into your email. >> >>Then your users can set up filters on the IMAP server to do something >>useful with the markings - put the mail into the Spam filter, or throw >>it away if the score is really high (though I never do that myself). >> >>I believe there is some info on the spamassassin site on how to set up a >>site-wide spamassassin implementation. I'd look at Mimedefang if you >>want a lot of power, and at spamass-milter if you just want something >>simpler. >> >>I'll see if I can dig up a couple of better pointers in the morning >> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >>-- >>Steve Hanson >>Cruiskeen Consulting >>http://www.cruiskeenconsulting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Sep 23 09:24:15 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Sep 23 09:26:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <43340C82.6000608@cruiskeen.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <1125.64.211.83.42.1127446400.squirrel@www.cruiskeen.com> <37186.192.28.2.17.1127483578.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <43340C82.6000608@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <51469.192.28.2.17.1127485455.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Steve Hanson said: > Chris Schumann wrote: >> Thanks for the tips, guys. After noodling around some more on the >> server, it looks like RHEL has it all integrated pretty well (so >> there's hope going forward). >> >> The bad news is that RHEL3 is only up to spamassassin 2.55, while 2.63 >> is required to even apply a patch for the URI blacklist scanning, and >> 3.0 has it built in. >> >> I can update spamassassin, of course, but I'd like to keep the update >> management simple, so I think I will hold off until we can update to >> RHEL4 and go from there. >> > > You're probably going to find that it's best to be in a position to > install Spamassasin yourself anyway - for example, Spamassasin 3.1 is > now out and is a big improvement over 3.0.x in a lot of ways, > particularly if you're trying to use the Bayesian filters for a large > site. It's a pretty easy build and it's pretty easy to build it as an > RPM. Not a bad idea. > How many users and how much mail traffic are you supporting? Don't laugh too hard. We have four users. I don't know about other volume because I haven't looked, but I get less than 50 messages a day. Now down to about 30 using Spamhaus's xbl-sbl list. > Are you giving your users access to the SIEVE filters in cyrus? If so, > how are you doing it? We are currently using a plugin in Squirrelmail, > since lots of our users (University campus, lots of students) use > Squirrel as their only email client. This works fairly well for the > comparatively small number of people who actually set up server-side > filtering. I've done nothing to set up sieve specifically, and really haven't looked into its capabilities. There's always more to learn. Chris > > And since I'm actually sending this email from the address I'm > subscribed to the list from, this will probably actually post to the > list :-(. > > >> Chris >> >> Steve Hanson said: >> >>>On Thu, September 22, 2005 5:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: >>> >>>>In what may not have been the smartest move of all time (influenced >>>> by me!), my company is using Cyrus-IMAPd as our IMAP server, and >>>> Sendmail as our SMTP server. >>>> >>>>It works very well, but we get a lot of spam and I'd like to get >>>> SpamAssassin working well too. Since the user's don't have login >>>> accounts, a .procmailrc file cannot be created for each user. >>>> >>>>I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how >>>> to configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the >>>> moment. Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration >>>> files don't seem to do anything worthwhile. >>>> >>>>Many thanks, >>>>Chris >>>> >>> >>>Well, you're probably not gonna like this but - >>> >>>What you really should do is just set up spamassassin to run directly >>> under sendmail, and have it spam-mark the mail. >>> >>>Personally I like to use Mimedefang - it's a milter that runs under >>> sendmail and will run spamassassin as well as any of a number of virus >>> filters. It's very flexible and pretty fast (I run it on a mail >>> server with 6000 users and it holds up pretty well. >>> >>>THere are a number of other such beasts available - if you just want >>> to run spamassassin you could install spamass-milter, which will just >>> put spam markings into your email. >>> >>>Then your users can set up filters on the IMAP server to do something >>> useful with the markings - put the mail into the Spam filter, or throw >>> it away if the score is really high (though I never do that myself). >>> >>>I believe there is some info on the spamassassin site on how to set up >>> a site-wide spamassassin implementation. I'd look at Mimedefang if >>> you want a lot of power, and at spamass-milter if you just want >>> something simpler. >>> >>>I'll see if I can dig up a couple of better pointers in the morning >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Steve Hanson >>>Cruiskeen Consulting >>>http://www.cruiskeenconsulting.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com Thu Sep 22 22:33:20 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Fri Sep 23 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin and Cyrus In-Reply-To: <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200509221702.j8MH2ZxE020083@delta.twp-llc.com> <58575.192.28.2.17.1127426532.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1125.64.211.83.42.1127446400.squirrel@www.cruiskeen.com> On Thu, September 22, 2005 5:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > In what may not have been the smartest move of all time (influenced by > me!), my company is using Cyrus-IMAPd as our IMAP server, and Sendmail as > our SMTP server. > > It works very well, but we get a lot of spam and I'd like to get > SpamAssassin working well too. Since the user's don't have login accounts, > a .procmailrc file cannot be created for each user. > > I would appreciate any tips on where to look for information on how to > configure such a setup. We're using Red Hat Enterprise 3.0 for the moment. > Hopefully switching to 4.0 soon. The default configuration files don't > seem to do anything worthwhile. > > Many thanks, > Chris > Well, you're probably not gonna like this but - What you really should do is just set up spamassassin to run directly under sendmail, and have it spam-mark the mail. Personally I like to use Mimedefang - it's a milter that runs under sendmail and will run spamassassin as well as any of a number of virus filters. It's very flexible and pretty fast (I run it on a mail server with 6000 users and it holds up pretty well. THere are a number of other such beasts available - if you just want to run spamassassin you could install spamass-milter, which will just put spam markings into your email. Then your users can set up filters on the IMAP server to do something useful with the markings - put the mail into the Spam filter, or throw it away if the score is really high (though I never do that myself). I believe there is some info on the spamassassin site on how to set up a site-wide spamassassin implementation. I'd look at Mimedefang if you want a lot of power, and at spamass-milter if you just want something simpler. I'll see if I can dig up a couple of better pointers in the morning > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Steve Hanson Cruiskeen Consulting http://www.cruiskeenconsulting.com From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Sep 24 17:13:21 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Sep 24 17:14:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509242213.j8OMDLt20890@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ATI Radeon 9550 256 MB worked when I pulled it from my machine, AGP. $80 evisuale@yahoo.com Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From tim.link at mchsi.com Sun Sep 25 20:48:36 2005 From: tim.link at mchsi.com (Tim Link) Date: Sun Sep 25 20:47:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Samba Problem Message-ID: I have a mixed environment with: -Windows 2000 Server as a file server, dns server, & domain controller -Linux Server running FC1 that is a backup to the W2K server -four Windows clients -a new Linux client running FC4 (kudos to my 17-year-old daughter for being the guinea pig.) I'd love to be all Linux one day, but currently I have very little time to tinker with it. The server running FC1 has been so stable that I just haven't had to touch it, and thus have forgotten much. I have done a fair amount of Googling, checked the man pages, and have changed smb.conf and the other Samba files a hundred different ways. I'm ready for some help now as time is an issue for me. Everything works great on my FC1 box - it can access Windows and Windows can access it. My problem lies with the FC4 client. All the other computers can see the FC4 box and access it's shares, so I know Samba is working to some degree. The FC4 box can see the other computer icons in the Network window, but when trying to access any of them, the following message appears: "The folder contents could not be displayed." "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of 'Windows Network: [computername]'." My guess is that the problem resides with a permissions issue on the Windows side, but I'm not sure. It's probably something simple that I knew at one time when configuring my FC1 box. Could it be a problem that I'm running one version of Samba on the FC1 box and another version on the FC4 box? Below are the contents of my Samba files. I'm sure some of them are not set to give me the best security, so any suggestions would be welcomed. /etc/samba/smb.conf [global] log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log load printers = yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 hosts equiv = /etc/hosts.allow hostname lookups = yes force directory mode = 755 winbind trusted domains only = no encrypt passwords = yes passwd program = /etc/samba/smbpasswd dns proxy = no preferredmaster = no netbios name = kelsey server string = Kelsey's PC winbind enum users = no default = global force create mode = 755 workgroup = LINK winbind enum groups = no os level = 33 printcap name = /etc/printcap security = user preferred master = no max log size = 50 /etc/samba/smbusers # Unix_name = SMB_name1 SMB_name2 ... root=administrator root=dad root=mom root=kelsey root=kyler nobody = guest pcguest smbguest /etc/hosts.allow # # hosts.allow This file describes the names of the hosts which are # allowed to use the local INET services, as decided # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server. # 192.168.1.25 laptop 192.168.1.90 kyler 192.168.1.102 downstairs 192.168.1.103 upstairs 192.168.1.166 server 192.168.1.177 howard Please let me know if you need more information. Thanks. mailto://tim dot link at mchsi dot com From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 26 15:10:24 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Sep 26 15:11:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <40854.209.176.212.10.1127765424.squirrel@lctn.org> Our mail server died today. Fortunately,I had previously copied over all mail, passwd, and homes over to an existing fedora core 3 server. As far as I know I have set up permissions properly and everything should be good to go. The server receives mail just fine. I can access the users mail box via webmin and see the stored messages. I can telnet to ports 25, 110, and 143, and when testing Outlook account settings everything completes successfully. However, when a user attempts to retrieve mail via pop3 they get the following error on their end: Task 'mail.domain.name - Receiving' reported error (0x800CCC13) : 'Unable to connect to the network. Check your network connection or modem. The server responded: -ERR Authentication failed.' I get the following corresponding error in the servers mail log: filesSep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): File isn't in mbox format: /var/mail/sglieden Sep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): File isn't in mbox format: /var/mail/sglieden Sep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): Couldn't open INBOX: Internal error occured. Refer to server log for more information I have found one way to fix things is to delete the user mailbox, touch it, and run a short shell script against it to set permissions. This all would go much quicker if there were a way to copy existing messages to a holding spot and append them to the newley created mailbox. Is there an easy way to do this? Better yet, is there a way of fixing the original problem without deleting mail boxes? From tclug at natecarlson.com Mon Sep 26 16:35:08 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Sep 26 16:35:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <40854.209.176.212.10.1127765424.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <40854.209.176.212.10.1127765424.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > Sep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): File isn't in mbox format: /var/mail/sglieden > Sep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): File isn't in mbox format: /var/mail/sglieden > Sep 26 10:13:57 jaguar5 pop3(sglieden): Couldn't open INBOX: Internal error occured. Refer to server log for more information > > I have found one way to fix things is to delete the user mailbox, touch > it, and run a short shell script against it to set permissions. This all > would go much quicker if there were a way to copy existing messages to a > holding spot and append them to the newley created mailbox. Is there an > easy way to do this? Better yet, is there a way of fixing the original > problem without deleting mail boxes? Did you ever copy the mailbox through a Windows box or something? My guess would be that there's a file conversion issue that's preventing the message from being detected as mbox. In any case, if you just delete the mailbox, it should be automatically created the next time the user logs in.. if you can afford to lose the mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From adam at askewview.net Tue Sep 27 12:12:28 2005 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Tue Sep 27 12:13:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SCALUG is having an INSTALLFEST!! Message-ID: <43397D7C.7070409@askewview.net> I figured I'd pass along the info to any TCLUGers that may want to attend. SCALUG is having an Installfest on Saturday, October 15th, From 10am untill 6pm. The installfest will be located at Meeting Grounds Sartell @ 1733 Pine Cone RD in Sartell. More info can be found at http://scalug.us You can also get directions from there. -Adam From kdesigns at hutchtel.net Tue Sep 27 15:19:10 2005 From: kdesigns at hutchtel.net (Dwayne Kaelberer) Date: Tue Sep 27 15:11:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo users Message-ID: <000e01c5c3a0$be944960$727dfea9@home1> Hi All Just thought I would throw a line out there, looking to see if there are any Gentoo users in or around either the Hutchinson or Norwood Young America area's. I'm pretty new at Linux, but learning alot and would like to find other gentoo users to talk with a bit easier than doing a ton of typing all the time. Dwayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> hi, how can i best protect whatever bandwidth is needed by our skype connections? skype works great usually. probably where it breaks down is when other activity loads down our connection. is there any fairly easy way to address this? if it's too complicated i suppose i may have to just punt and get a second connection. but even that would require some serious setup, in order to divert the skype connections. i had an experience a year ago or so where i noticed that under heavy (down)load, ping turnaround could take upto nearly 15 seconds. i interpreted that to mean the pings were waiting in a crowded packet queue. i imagine these sorts of considerations could indeed make voip bandwidth protection a thorny issue. one supposedly simple idea that comes to mind is to somehow throttle packets as necessary so that there is always some headroom left in our connection bandwidth. but i confess i wouldn't know offhand how to do even that.. i'd like to see recommendations, pointers, experiences, ... tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From josh at tcbug.org Tue Sep 27 16:27:07 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Tue Sep 27 16:27:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reserve bandwidth for skype? In-Reply-To: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> References: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <200509271627.07889.josh@tcbug.org> On Tuesday 27 September 2005 16:08, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > how can i best protect whatever bandwidth is needed by our skype > connections? > > skype works great usually. probably where it breaks down is when > other activity loads down our connection. > > is there any fairly easy way to address this? if it's too > complicated i suppose i may have to just punt and get a second > connection. but even that would require some serious setup, in > order to divert the skype connections. > > i had an experience a year ago or so where i noticed that under > heavy (down)load, ping turnaround could take upto nearly 15 > seconds. i interpreted that to mean the pings were waiting in a > crowded packet queue. i imagine these sorts of considerations > could indeed make voip bandwidth protection a thorny issue. > > one supposedly simple idea that comes to mind is to somehow > throttle packets as necessary so that there is always some headroom > left in our connection bandwidth. but i confess i wouldn't know > offhand how to do even that.. > > i'd like to see recommendations, pointers, experiences, ... > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org There's alway the hardware solution, which may come in a blue box with that neat-o golden-gate bridge emblem on it. (cisco) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Sep 27 17:29:29 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue Sep 27 17:33:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reserve bandwidth for skype? In-Reply-To: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> References: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <4339C7C9.5050202@joshwelch.com> greg wm wrote: > hi, > > how can i best protect whatever bandwidth is needed by our skype > connections? Google for QoS. > skype works great usually. probably where it breaks down is when other > activity loads down our connection. > > is there any fairly easy way to address this? if it's too complicated i > suppose i may have to just punt and get a second connection. but even > that would require some serious setup, in order to divert the skype > connections. > > i had an experience a year ago or so where i noticed that under heavy > (down)load, ping turnaround could take upto nearly 15 seconds. i > interpreted that to mean the pings were waiting in a crowded packet > queue. i imagine these sorts of considerations could indeed make voip > bandwidth protection a thorny issue. Ping is a lousy test, it is basically only valid as a connectivity test for ICMP. There are lot's of other factors that can affect performance which ping will give no indication of. If you really want to know, and have the time, there are a variety of tools for determining network usage and other statistics. > one supposedly simple idea that comes to mind is to somehow throttle > packets as necessary so that there is always some headroom left in our > connection bandwidth. but i confess i wouldn't know offhand how to do > even that.. Google for QoS, that is more or less what you are describing. Josh From molson4 at operamail.com Wed Sep 28 03:59:05 2005 From: molson4 at operamail.com (Mike Olson) Date: Wed Sep 28 03:59:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Settle an argument Message-ID: <20050928085905.BE5D023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate between two computers by putting two network interface cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet connections on each computer, and connecting the two computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would not, and may even slow transfer rates because the processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each computer can have only one IP address since each MAC address is unique, and that computer will process the packets of information it receives one at a time. He thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the packets of information to be stored until the CPU processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves over two cables, and receive the halves with the other computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. Whose right? -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From molson4 at operamail.com Wed Sep 28 03:58:16 2005 From: molson4 at operamail.com (Mike Olson) Date: Wed Sep 28 04:00:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate between two computers by putting two network interface cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet connections on each computer, and connecting the two computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would not, and may even slow transfer rates because the processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each computer can have only one IP address since each MAC address is unique, and that computer will process the packets of information it receives one at a time. He thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the packets of information to be stored until the CPU processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves over two cables, and receive the halves with the other computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. Whose right? -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Sep 28 07:35:39 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed Sep 28 07:40:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Settle an argument In-Reply-To: <20050928085905.BE5D023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085905.BE5D023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <433A8E1B.60300@joshwelch.com> Mike Olson wrote: > Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, > and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would > not, and may even slow transfer rates because the > processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each > computer can have only one IP address since each MAC > address is unique, and that computer will process the > packets of information it receives one at a time. He > thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the > packets of information to be stored until the CPU > processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk > of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves > over two cables, and receive the halves with the other > computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together > again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if > you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split > the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I > told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate > of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, > optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding > more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I > think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. > Whose right? > If your network cards support trunking, then you could do this. The two network cards would effectively act as a single network card with a single IP Address. So you would effectively have a 200Mbps link rather than 2 100Mbps links. Your switch would also need to support trunking. You would need more CPU to fill a bigger pipe, there is significant work involved in TCP/IP communications. However, some NICs have the ability to offload a lot of the processing involved with TCP/IP network communications, I don't know that it really involves buffers, more offloading the TCP/IP transmission stuff from the CPU to the NIC. I think your friend is right, though not necessarily for the reasons he believes. Josh From rwh at visi.com Wed Sep 28 09:22:06 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Wed Sep 28 09:24:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Settle an argument In-Reply-To: <20050928085905.BE5D023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085905.BE5D023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <433AA70E.3000409@visi.com> Its going to depend a lot on the class of machine, etc. but there's no reason it can't work if the boxes on each end, and everything in between, are up to the task. In days gone by, i.e. before switches became affordable, it wasn't unusual to put multiple cards in a server with some dedicated to talking to other key servers and one talking to a hub with the clients. Each segment of ethernet acts independently, so in principle, 5 card pairs and 5 cables should be able to handle 5x the traffic as long as each box can generate/process 5x the traffic. The trick is to set up the necessary software to do the load balancing to make things work. There was a brief period when people where doing this with modems. They'd have two slip connections on two modems to double their speed. DSL and cable pretty well took care of that. --rick Mike Olson wrote: > Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, > and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would > not, and may even slow transfer rates because the > processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each > computer can have only one IP address since each MAC > address is unique, and that computer will process the > packets of information it receives one at a time. He > thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the > packets of information to be stored until the CPU > processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk > of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves > over two cables, and receive the halves with the other > computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together > again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if > you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split > the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I > told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate > of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, > optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding > more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I > think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. > Whose right? > From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 09:25:03 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed Sep 28 09:28:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts Message-ID: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer clear of? -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 28 09:33:06 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed Sep 28 09:33:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any > suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer > clear of? Isn't that what duct tape is for?... -Yaron -- From brock at brocknoland.com Wed Sep 28 09:39:37 2005 From: brock at brocknoland.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Sep 28 09:40:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb8050928073930172abc@mail.gmail.com> Well you can run 'shotgun' modems in paralell, but I never heard of that with network cards. Brock On 9/28/05, Mike Olson wrote: > Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, > and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would > not, and may even slow transfer rates because the > processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each > computer can have only one IP address since each MAC > address is unique, and that computer will process the > packets of information it receives one at a time. He > thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the > packets of information to be stored until the CPU > processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk > of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves > over two cables, and receive the halves with the other > computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together > again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if > you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split > the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I > told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate > of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, > optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding > more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I > think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. > Whose right? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Brock Noland Loan Officer Caspian Mortgage Cell: 612-203-9568 Office: 612-605-8739 Fax: 612-605-6808 http://brocknoland.com From bhurt at spnz.org Wed Sep 28 10:06:56 2005 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:08:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any > suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer > clear of? Superglue and duct tape are probably bad ideas... Brian From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 10:11:48 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:12:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e7050928081113dfaac4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, Brian Hurt wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > > I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any > > suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer > > clear of? > > Superglue and duct tape are probably bad ideas... > > Brian > > For a while I was thinking of using priority mail tape (I have a bunch from when they used to ship it to you for free); it's prettier than duct-tape but a more permanent solution would be preferable. -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 28 10:19:03 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:20:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e7050928081113dfaac4@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e7050928081113dfaac4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > it's prettier than duct-tape Actually, duct tape comes in a variety of colours now, from Classic Gray to red, blue, white, black, camo and even clear (!!). You can also get neon-coloured stuff. -Yaron -- From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 10:24:47 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:27:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On 9/28/05, Mike Olson wrote: > Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, > and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would > not, and may even slow transfer rates because the > processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each > computer can have only one IP address since each MAC > address is unique, and that computer will process the > packets of information it receives one at a time. He > thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the > packets of information to be stored until the CPU > processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk > of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves > over two cables, and receive the halves with the other > computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together > again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if > you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split > the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I > told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate > of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, > optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding > more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I > think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. > Whose right? If I remember right, some of the high-end Intel network cards have a "bonding" driver that will allow you to do just this. I've never done it, though. From larry.pint at ntuminc.com Wed Sep 28 10:27:54 2005 From: larry.pint at ntuminc.com (Larry Pint) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:28:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e7050928081113dfaac4@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e7050928081113dfaac4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433AB67A.7040305@ntuminc.com> At work we almost all have dual flat panel monitors. We're using a desk mounted stand for them rather than wall mounting. They're great! Frees up lots of desk space, very adjustable. I sure wouldn't want to go back to using the bases that came with the monitors. We're using model M7 from Humanscale. Not the cheapest, but very good stands. Larry Pint Donovan Niesen wrote: >On 9/28/05, Brian Hurt wrote: > > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any >>>suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer >>>clear of? >>> >>> >>Superglue and duct tape are probably bad ideas... >> >>Brian >> >> >> >> > >For a while I was thinking of using priority mail tape (I have a bunch >from when they used to ship it to you for free); it's prettier than >duct-tape but a more permanent solution would be preferable. > >-- >Donovan Niesen >dniesen@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050928/db769c39/attachment.htm From kaze0010 at umn.edu Wed Sep 28 12:20:37 2005 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Wed Sep 28 12:18:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) (channel bonded ethernet, multiple NICs) In-Reply-To: References: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050928122037.02d8a2a0@127.0.0.1> Here's how I understand it (I'm open to corrections): At 10:24 AM 9/28/2005 -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: >On 9/28/05, Mike Olson wrote: >> Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, >> and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate >> between two computers by putting two network interface >> cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet >> connections on each computer, and connecting the two >> computers with two Ethernet cables? Yes, this is possible, but it isn't done very often. I've read about it being done and seen descriptions about how to do it, but it seems to be uncommon, except where people *really* need higher bandwidth than a single NIC can handle. >> I said that it would >> not, and may even slow transfer rates because the >> processor is switching between two NICs. Whether the CPU is the bottleneck will depend on the type of ethernet card, and how powerful the CPU or CPUs are. High end NICs tend to offload the packet processing from the main CPU, while cheaper NICs do their work in the drivers (like hardware modems vs controllerless modems vs host-signal-processing (HSP) modems). >> Also, since each >> computer can have only one IP address since each MAC >> address is unique, and that computer will process the >> packets of information it receives one at a time. It is possible to assign multiple IP addresses to a single NIC, and also multiple IP address to a single PC. Doing the former usually requires digging into .conf files (Linux) or playing with the Registry (Windows), but it can be done. The later is trivial...just configure each NIC separately. The end result is a PC that is dual-homed or multi-homed (a member of multiple networks). Most gateway firewalls (e.g. IPCop) use multiple NICs, one public IP and one private IP. >> He >> thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the >> packets of information to be stored until the CPU >> processes them. There are receive buffers, and some NICs do packet processing to offload work from the main CPU. >> So according to him, you can send a chunk >> of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves >> over two cables, and receive the halves with the other >> computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together >> again. Yes, in theory. But you would need something (likely software) to coordinate this splitting and recombining of the data. See my notes below on software bonding the NICs or configuring multiple routes. >> He thinks that transfer rates would increase if >> you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split >> the info and put it back together faster, and faster. Increasing the CPU speed will only increase the transfer rates if the CPU is the performance bottleneck (and it most likely is NOT the bottleneck). Watch 'top' (Linux) or Task Manager (Windows) while transferring files and see what happens to CPU usage during the transfer. If you have a recent PC, I think it is unlikely that your CPU will be maxed out by the network data transfer. >> I >> told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate >> of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, >> optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding >> more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I >> think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. >> Whose right? The transfer rate of any single NIC is dependant upon that NIC's quality and specifications, and also upon the transfer medium's characteristics such as length, quality, and environment. Transfer rate is also affected by packet size, as larger packets have less overhead in relation to the data, and tend to be a more efficient use of bandwidth. By itself, adding multiple NICs won't help, unless you figure out how to get them to share the data transfer load either by bonding them together or by using multiple routes or other means of load balancing. >If I remember right, some of the high-end Intel network cards have a >"bonding" driver that will allow you to do just this. I've never done >it, though. If you bond the NICs together at the interface level, you should be able to increase throughput for one or more data transfers. See http://www.devco.net/archives/2004/11/26/linux_ethernet_bonding.php If you use multiple IP addresses and multiple routes, you should be able to increase aggregate throughput for several data transfers, although any single data transfer will be limited to the max throughput of a single NIC. -Haudy Kazemi Also: http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/jafo_20050223_002900 Google search terms: 'ethernet bonding', 'bonded ethernet' http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Projects/MP_Lite/dox_channel_bonding.html >From http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Projects/MP_Lite/perf_cb_fe.html (there are graphs on the page): "Channel-bonding is the striping of data from each message over multiple interfaces. While channel-bonding of multiple Fast Ethernet cards in a cluster can increase the throughput dramatically, the low cost and high performance for Gigabit Ethernet makes this work useless at this point. I'll still present the somewhat dated information though to illustrate the beneficial role that reducing the overhead can play, as was accomplished by using M-VIA in this case. The Linux kernel has the ability to do low-level channel bonding. This works alright at Fast Ethernet speeds, where a doubling of the throughput can be achieved using 2 cards. It is not tuned for Gigabit speeds yet. MP_Lite can do channel bonding at a higher level by striping data from a single message across multiple sockets set up between each pair of computers. The algorithm also tries to hide latency effects by increasing the amount of data being striped exponentially, starting with small chunks to get each interface primed, then doubling the size each time to hide the latency. This is a flexible approach, working for any Unix system, but will always suffer from a loss of potential performance due to the higher latency involved. A nearly ideal doubling of the throughput has been achieved using 2 Fast Ethernet cards, but little benefit was produced from using a 3rd Fast Ethernet card. M-VIA is an OS-bypass technique for Ethernet hardware. Using the MP_Lite via.c module running on M-VIA to reduce overhead costs, a nearly ideal tripling of the throughput can be achieved using 3 Fast Ethernet cards, while 4 cards produces a 3.5 times speedup. This illustrates the benefits of channel bonding at a low level, providing encouragement for tuning the Linux kernel bonding.c module. " From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Sep 28 10:32:46 2005 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Wed Sep 28 12:52:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: mike - you can use etherchannel and other ethernet bonding mechanisms to increase the aggregate link capacity for a server. this can also be used between routers and switches. from where i'm sitting you both appear suffering from an incomplete understanding of how this stuff actually works on the wire. you're both right and wrong but for a few different reasons. :) a few points to keep in mind - - NICs do have transmit and receive buffers that are used to store data until it can be processed by the local IP stack. - data is not split N ways across the bonded interfaces and re- assembled. the discerning reader will note that such a configuration would create a new bottleneck. instead flows[1] are usually sent out a particular link and some hashing mechanism is used to insure that load is evenly distributed across all of the links in the channel group. a single logical interface is, however, presented to the OS and the switch to which such a configuration is connected. - yes, your friend is confusing processing rates and transfer rates. the two are loosely coupled, but there are mechanisms to make the 2 entirely independent of each other. - a computer can have multiple IP and MAC addresses. some of us even add multiple loopback interfaces to evil ends on our workstations/ servers. ;-) more and more servers are supporting ethernet bonding mechanisms ala EtherChannel or PAgP/LACP. performance is improved. On Sep 28, 2005, at 3:58 AM, Mike Olson wrote: > Could someone please settle an argument between my friend, > and I? Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? I said that it would > not, and may even slow transfer rates because the > processor is switching between two NICs. Also, since each > computer can have only one IP address since each MAC > address is unique, and that computer will process the > packets of information it receives one at a time. He > thinks that the NICs have buffers in them that allow the > packets of information to be stored until the CPU > processes them. So according to him, you can send a chunk > of data faster by splitting it in half, sending the halves > over two cables, and receive the halves with the other > computer and NICs, and put the chunk of data back together > again. He thinks that transfer rates would increase if > you increased the CPU speed, since each CPU could split > the info and put it back together faster, and faster. I > told him that transfer rates are dependent upon the rate > of your NIC and your transfer medium (ex. Ethernet, > optical, wireless) and cannot be affected by simply adding > more NICs and transfer mediums between two computers. I > think he's confusing processing rates with transfer rates. > Whose right? > { snipped - misc. signatures } references ---------- [1] - where a flow may be defined by a unique pairing of things such as SRC/DEST MAC or SRC/DEST IP address or L4 protocol elements. care needs to be given to the selection of hash algorithm on the part of the implementation to prevent polarization. but i digress. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Sep 28 12:54:34 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Sep 28 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reserve bandwidth for skype? In-Reply-To: <18695899.1127856537157.JavaMail.root@sniper34> References: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> <18695899.1127856537157.JavaMail.root@sniper34> Message-ID: <200509281254.35565.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Tuesday 27 September 2005 04:27 pm, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Tuesday 27 September 2005 16:08, greg wm wrote: > > hi, > > > > how can i best protect whatever bandwidth is needed by our skype > > connections? > > > > skype works great usually. probably where it breaks down is when > > other activity loads down our connection. > > > > is there any fairly easy way to address this? if it's too > > complicated i suppose i may have to just punt and get a second > > connection. but even that would require some serious setup, in > > order to divert the skype connections. > > > > i had an experience a year ago or so where i noticed that under > > heavy (down)load, ping turnaround could take upto nearly 15 > > seconds. i interpreted that to mean the pings were waiting in a > > crowded packet queue. i imagine these sorts of considerations > > could indeed make voip bandwidth protection a thorny issue. > > > > one supposedly simple idea that comes to mind is to somehow > > throttle packets as necessary so that there is always some headroom > > left in our connection bandwidth. but i confess i wouldn't know > > offhand how to do even that.. > > > > i'd like to see recommendations, pointers, experiences, ... > > > > tia, > > greg > > > > Greg Whitley Mott > > IT Coordinator > > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > There's alway the hardware solution, which may come in a blue box with > that neat-o golden-gate bridge emblem on it. (cisco) Which is to say it is a software solution running on different hardware. Traffic shaping (QoS or other methods) is your best bet. I am not familiar with traffic shaping using iptables, but as long as you have the basics of iptables down I doubt it would be that hard to setup/configure QoS into your iptables config. I use openbsd's packet filter (PF) for traffic shaping. Presumably you already have some sort of firewall, maybe it already has this functionality built in? From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Sep 28 14:41:25 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Sep 28 14:42:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] LCD Monitor mounts In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70509280725af5c175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm thinking of mounting an LCD monitor to a wall. Anybody have any > suggestions for mounting kits or any products that I should steer clear > of? http://www.chiefmfg.com/ Local company; good quality. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Sep 28 14:40:11 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Sep 28 14:42:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050928085817.0C0F023D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Mike Olson wrote: > Is it possible to increase the transfer rate > between two computers by putting two network interface > cards (NICs) in each computer, and putting two Ethernet > connections on each computer, and connecting the two > computers with two Ethernet cables? http://linux-ip.net/html/ether-bonding.html works great. 'nuff said. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Sep 28 15:16:58 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Sep 28 15:18:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509282016.j8SKGwv30139@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: PIIs and monitors pII slot 1 350 mhz w/ heatsink/fan..$2 pII slot 1 400 mhz w/ heatsink/fan..$3 pII slot 1 400 mhz w/ heatsink/fan..$3 matched pair of slot one pII 500's mhz w/ heatsinks...$20 Apple 17"..$15 (db 15pin vga connector) Dell 19"..$25 Broken Sony vio for parts...$10 has had a rough life, i am 90% sure the lcd works, it is a pII 266 w/ atleast 64mb ram (iirc), i don't remember if the cdrom works, right now it doesn't power up, i started taking it apart, put it back together and said the heck w/ it. Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Sep 28 20:12:56 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Sep 28 20:14:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509290112.j8T1CuU03259@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: SGI O2 with 17 inch Monitor For all you SGI enthusiasts, SGI O2 200Mhz with 128mg ram, I believe (yellow-tipped, four sticks) 2 gig hdd with an unknown version of IRIX installed. Comes with SGI keyboard, new SGI mouse, new SGI mousepad, SGI 17" monitor with cables, owner's guide and documentation. Machine has provision for spare hdd, comes with sound card. Machine boots to console, I haven't tinkered with it to get it to boot to a monitor. $50.00 I have several parts O2's to scavenge through, $15.00 each for those. Seller Email address: rudie at rudie dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From rick at ricksweb.info Thu Sep 29 07:12:36 2005 From: rick at ricksweb.info (Richard Harding) Date: Thu Sep 29 07:14:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] more help with postfix/virtual accounts Message-ID: <433BDA34.9020902@ricksweb.info> Just when you thought it was safe to send email! I've been trying to setup a debian sarge postfix server with mysql virtual hosts/accounts. I've so far gotten postfix up and happy, amavis doing all my checking, dovecot serving out imap, and postfixadmin running for account management. Very nice. Now if only I could get SMTP to work. I find that there are many ways of getting smtp going with virtual accounts. I'm avoiding PAM and saslauthd because you have to store the passwords in mysql as clear text. This lead me to courier authdaemon package. I've got authdaemon configured and running. I've created the file /etc/postfix/sasl/smptd.conf with the following: cat /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf pwcheck_method: authdaemond log_level: 3 mech_list: SQL authdaemond_path:/var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket I have created a link to the socket in the postfix jail: ls -l /var/spool/postfix/var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket srwxrwxrwx 1 daemon daemon 0 Sep 28 11:09 /var/spool/postfix/var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket And I have added the postfix user to the daemon group: grep daemon /etc/group daemon:x:1:postfix Now when I try to send a message I get the following error: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms Everything I find seems to say that the reason I get this message should be because I don't have the postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf file. BUT I DO! Can anyone help point me in the right direction with this? I feel like there is just one small connection missing between postfix and the authdaemon process. Thank you so much for any help. Rick From harv.nelson at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 08:35:26 2005 From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson) Date: Thu Sep 29 08:36:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack Message-ID: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop Harv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050929/f1b0abd5/attachment.htm From brian.l.johnson at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 09:42:02 2005 From: brian.l.johnson at gmail.com (Brian Johnson) Date: Thu Sep 29 09:58:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] reserve bandwidth for skype? In-Reply-To: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> References: <4339B4B6.8050308@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <4a7b96ee05092807424ccdcca9@mail.gmail.com> It would be resonably easy to set up a QoS with either cdq or htb if you know what ports skype will use. You can classify traffic by port and set what amount of the total pipe they can use. Unfortunaty, it is my understanding this is hard to pin down. (Most of what I have seen is in the context of a net admin wanting to block skype, as you presumably control all the skype installs you may be able to limit the ports it uses). We have a HTB based traffic shaping system on our linux based router where I live, we previously used CBQ. They both are great for improving responsiveness of our network under load. Look up linux advanced routing and you will find some great howtos for setting these up. On 9/27/05, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > how can i best protect whatever bandwidth is needed by our skype > connections? > > skype works great usually. probably where it breaks down is when other > activity loads down our connection. > > is there any fairly easy way to address this? if it's too complicated i > suppose i may have to just punt and get a second connection. but even > that would require some serious setup, in order to divert the skype > connections. > > i had an experience a year ago or so where i noticed that under heavy > (down)load, ping turnaround could take upto nearly 15 seconds. i > interpreted that to mean the pings were waiting in a crowded packet > queue. i imagine these sorts of considerations could indeed make voip > bandwidth protection a thorny issue. > > one supposedly simple idea that comes to mind is to somehow throttle > packets as necessary so that there is always some headroom left in our > connection bandwidth. but i confess i wouldn't know offhand how to do > even that.. > > i'd like to see recommendations, pointers, experiences, ... > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mark.browne at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 14:00:21 2005 From: mark.browne at gmail.com (Mark Browne) Date: Thu Sep 29 09:58:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest Message-ID: <5036a62105092812001fa1b741@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps we could get a survey (and related list notification) on the TCLUG website to gauge interest in a twin city installfest? Mark Browne From seg at haxxed.com Thu Sep 29 14:36:09 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Thu Sep 29 14:38:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SCSU wireless and stuff Message-ID: <1128022570.6687.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey, I notice there was a flier for the installfest posted in the ECC. Who posted it there? I ask because I'm really wanting to start some kind of linux/open source student group, unless there's already one I don't know about. The Linux presence on this campus seems to be rather low. I need to dig up some membership. I could also possibly use a ride to the installfest... Also, apparently they're now using a new VPN thing for the wireless on campus this year, its something called "LEAP". I have not been able to get it to work right with FC4. I've tried both xsupplicant and wpa_supplicant. xsupplicant just triggers a "buffer overflow detected" and dies, and wpa_supplicant just seems to sit in a loop trying to associate saying "no WPA/RSN IE". 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I ask because I'm really wanting to start some kind > of linux/open source student group, unless there's already one I don't > know about. The Linux presence on this campus seems to be rather low. I > need to dig up some membership. > > I could also possibly use a ride to the installfest... > > Also, apparently they're now using a new VPN thing for the wireless on > campus this year, its something called "LEAP". I have not been able to > get it to work right with FC4. I've tried both xsupplicant and > wpa_supplicant. xsupplicant just triggers a "buffer overflow detected" > and dies, and wpa_supplicant just seems to sit in a loop trying to > associate saying "no WPA/RSN IE". I can't find hardly any documentation > regarding using LEAP, everything talks about PEAP and other things. > > I have both an Atheros AR5212 (madwifi driver) based card, and an ACX111 > based card. > > Has anyone ever done LEAP with Linux before? > > From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 17:44:51 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Thu Sep 29 17:46:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest In-Reply-To: <5036a62105092812001fa1b741@mail.gmail.com> References: <5036a62105092812001fa1b741@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd305092915441b48f57e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, Mark Browne wrote: > > Perhaps we could get a survey (and related list notification) on the > TCLUG website to gauge interest in a twin city installfest? > > I think this is a great idea. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050929/169b2117/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 19:34:41 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu Sep 29 19:36:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest In-Reply-To: <579c6fd305092915441b48f57e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5036a62105092812001fa1b741@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd305092915441b48f57e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da05092917347317368c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/05, EP wrote: > On 9/28/05, Mark Browne wrote: > > Perhaps we could get a survey (and related list notification) on the > > TCLUG website to gauge interest in a twin city installfest? > I think this is a great idea. It is done, go vote http://www.mn-linux.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Sep 30 07:45:52 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Sep 30 07:46:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200509301245.j8UCjqj25489@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: Laptops, Comp. for Schools I teach a computer maintenance and repair class for a local community college, but the class is offered at the local high school as a Post Secondary Education Opportunity (PSEO). Budgets are of course limited for hardware, etc. I am looking for working, broken, possibly repairable systems and laptops that I can use in this environment. I try to make the class as hands on as possible. In the past I have received donations from businesses that were looking to get rid of old systems (IBM PII). I could use some more systems - newer preferably - that I can have them work on. Any vintage laptops would be useful as well. I normally only have them take those apart and look around inside them. So working is not such an issue there. I live in Greater Minnesota, so I could make a metro trip to pick up items if I find enough worth having them work on. Thanks! Seller Email address: rclark at lakesplus dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From admin at lctn.org Fri Sep 30 14:35:30 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Sep 30 14:36:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retrieving old messages Message-ID: <55511.209.176.212.10.1128108930.squirrel@lctn.org> I have a user who's Outlook.pst file is missing. We save a copy of all incoming messages on the server, so we were able to retrieve what she needed and restore her contacts, but she would really like her messages from the sent box restored. Is their a way to get them back from sendmail in one form or another? Raymond From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 30 15:30:36 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri Sep 30 15:30:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retrieving old messages In-Reply-To: <55511.209.176.212.10.1128108930.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <55511.209.176.212.10.1128108930.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a user who's Outlook.pst file is missing. We save a copy of all > incoming messages on the server, so we were able to retrieve what she > needed and restore her contacts, but she would really like her messages > from the sent box restored. Is their a way to get them back from sendmail > in one form or another? Only if you have sendmail save them. If you're trying to keep a running archive of incoming and outgoing messages, there's always Axel Reinhold's logall.c patch: http://www.freakout.de/logall.c It saves a copy of every message sendmail processes, incoming or outgoing. (Before discovering this, I was using procmail to save a copy of all incoming messages -- alas, that doesn't work for outgoing mail.) Jima From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 30 16:23:12 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Sep 30 16:24:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] retrieving old messages In-Reply-To: References: <55511.209.176.212.10.1128108930.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20050930212312.03426121C@skuld.wookimus.net> I would use any "save-all" schemes with caution. You will be copying all of the legitimate email as well as all of the spam. Remember to use some sort of rotation scheme to age and delete the backups, otherwise you'll start to run out of disk space on the partition that email is saved on. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Sep 30 18:29:30 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri Sep 30 18:30:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 'rehash' in bash? Message-ID: In tcsh we have 'rehash' to update the hash table of command paths when we've added a new executable in the path. What do you use for this in the bash shell? Mike From josh at tcbug.org Fri Sep 30 20:03:23 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Fri Sep 30 20:02:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 'rehash' in bash? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509302003.24141.josh@tcbug.org> On Friday 30 September 2005 18:29, Mike Miller wrote: > In tcsh we have 'rehash' to update the hash table of command paths > when we've added a new executable in the path. What do you use for > this in the bash shell? > > Mike > bash doesn't need any such thing. It "Just Works" (TM) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From thecubic at thecubic.net Fri Sep 30 20:10:20 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Fri Sep 30 20:10:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 'rehash' in bash? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509302010.24149.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Friday 30 September 2005 18:29, Mike Miller wrote: > In tcsh we have 'rehash' to update the hash table of command paths when > we've added a new executable in the path. What do you use for this in the > bash shell? There is no analog to tcsh's hash table in bash - the hash table that bash has is only for speedup - when it doesn't find the executable in the hash table, it will search through the path. To empty the table (useful if you've changed PATH), use hash -r. To force an entry in, use 'hash ' if it can be completed in the path, otherwise use 'hash -p '. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050930/7920fa50/attachment.pgp