From clay at fandre.com  Sat Apr  1 08:07:57 2006
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:07:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux training
Message-ID: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com>

I searched the archives but I couldn't find anything recent so I'll ask
this one again...

What are some good local Linux training resources in the area? I know of
Benchmark and Euler, but what are some others?

If you recently attended some Linux training or some type of
certification, please fill out a review on the TCLUG review site and let
us know.

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi

Thanks!

-- Clay


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  1 08:41:28 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:41:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp?
In-Reply-To: <50782.132.189.76.10.1143850212.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com>
References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com>
	<200603311036.06179.tclug@steamedpenguin.com>
	<442DBF67.6030905@mchsi.com>
	<50782.132.189.76.10.1143850212.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com>
Message-ID: <442E9118.7070109@mchsi.com>

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bradyh at bitstream.net wrote:
>>I'll be there. Maybe we can have a LUG sub-group.
> 
>>Samir
> 
> 
> I'll be there as well, how many LUG members are going to be there?
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
>> I signed up.  But I'm not completely sure I can go.  And if I can go I'm
>> not entirely sure what I would present on.
> 
>> -Brady
> 

I have no idea what I am going to present on but it just sounds so fun
and like I could learn A LOT in a day. I'll come up with something.

Nick
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From auditodd at comcast.net  Sat Apr  1 11:39:42 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:39:42 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb
Message-ID: <040120061739.17794.442EBADE0009B12B0000458222058844840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I don't know of any places in the Twin Cities, but this online site has pretty good prices and I have bought stuff from them and have not been disappointed.

http://www.directron.com/

--
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------
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Kraig Jones <jkjones at tcq.net>
> nick thompson wrote:
> 
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> >Chris Schumann wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:19:29 -0600
> >>>From: nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Anyway, any used
> >>>shop tips or even if you have one to get rid of...
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I like Que Computers at 26th and 26th and quecomputers.com
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >Wow! Thanks for that tip I'd never been there. Cool place. Has anyone
> >ever been to a place called "The Box Shop" ? I heard about it from a
> >friend but have never been there.
> >  
> >
> There's a Box Shop here in Bloomington; also one in St. Paul.  They 
> sometimes have used drives, but it seems they want nearly as much for a 
> used one as new.
> 
> Micro Center has advertised some 40GB drives for $79.99, but I don't 
> know if that price is still in effect.
> 
> I tried to reply to this last night.  Seems it didn't get through...
> 
> Kraig
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Sat Apr  1 14:37:26 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:37:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 802.11g Wii Comatible Card List, Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.49.1143913270.5491.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <200604012036.k31KahWS027433@delta.twp-llc.com>

Hey all,

I recently installed FC5, and its WiFi support is broken. (FC4 worked great,
even with NDISWrapper... for me, anyway.)

And I'd like to upgrade my in-home network to 802.11g and WPA, so...

Which 802.11g PC cards are supported in Linux with native drivers? I've
looked pretty hard, and everything seems really out of date.

The LinkSys WPC11v3 works great, but it's 802.11b. My LinkSys WPC54G works
with ndiswrapper, but I'd like to avoid that hassle. I have one laptop to
upgrade and two more to get online.

Pointers to lists of supported cards, chipsets and recommendations are all
welcome.

Thanks,
Chris Schumann



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Apr  1 18:04:28 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:04:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604020004.k3204Ss23766@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 4U Clone Server

Clone 4U
P2 450mhz
256MB
30GB IDE

$150 or Best Offer

Works fine... no OS loaded, was replaced over a year ago and don't need it

Seller Email address: justin at 90tq dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From smac at visi.com  Sun Apr  2 09:16:53 2006
From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:16:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux training
In-Reply-To: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com>
References: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <442FDCD5.3020801@visi.com>

Some of the Tech schools have classes.

Sam.

Clay Fandre wrote:

>I searched the archives but I couldn't find anything recent so I'll ask
>this one again...
>
>What are some good local Linux training resources in the area? I know of
>Benchmark and Euler, but what are some others?
>
>If you recently attended some Linux training or some type of
>certification, please fill out a review on the TCLUG review site and let
>us know.
>
>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- Clay
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>  
>


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Sun Apr  2 21:33:48 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:33:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com>
References: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <4430898C.60107@mchsi.com>

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Clayton Fandre wrote:
> There will be no TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I could not get a speaker
> lined up in time. I'm still unsure if there will be one next Saturday as
> I will be out of town.
> 
> As always I am looking for topics and speakers for upcoming meetings.
> Please let me know if you would like to speak at a meeting or know of a
> potential speaker.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- Clay

Why not have a meeting just to get together and chat linux up. I'd go. I
bet a lot less people would go than normal, but it'd be fun. Anyone who
would go to such a thing, a speakerless meeting, raise your hand? And
btw Clay, I mean no disrespect whatsoever I have the greatest respect
for all you've done and continue to do for tclug.

nick
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From jack at jacku.com  Sun Apr  2 22:17:37 2006
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:17:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux training
In-Reply-To: <442FDCD5.3020801@visi.com>
References: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com> <442FDCD5.3020801@visi.com>
Message-ID: <200604022217.37607.jack@jacku.com>

On Sunday 02 April 2006 9:16 am, Sam MacDonald wrote:
> Some of the Tech schools have classes.
>
> Sam.
>
> Clay Fandre wrote:
> >I searched the archives but I couldn't find anything recent so I'll ask
> >this one again...
> >
> >What are some good local Linux training resources in the area? I know of
> >Benchmark and Euler, but what are some others?
> >
> >If you recently attended some Linux training or some type of
> >certification, please fill out a review on the TCLUG review site and let
> >us know.
> >
> >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >-- Clay

While its true that some of the schools have classes there are few things to 
consider.

1. Not all schools allow "skill builder" enrollment. If they do it will only 
be if there is space after the students enrolled in degree programs are taken 
care of.

2. Classes at most of these schools will run 9-12 weeks. Assuming you look at 
night classes you are looking at 1 or 2 nights/week and 3-5 hours/class.

3. Most of these courses are designed to fit into a program. Depending on the 
role of Linux in the context of the program you may find that it doesn't 
focus on what you are looking for.

My perspective on this is from the Instructor's side of the desk. I know there 
are some other folks on this list with experience as instructors and 
students. So if I'm way off base I'm sure they'll help out. ;-)

Jack

-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From markmit at mn.rr.com  Sun Apr  2 23:35:21 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:35:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
Message-ID: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>

What I've got is a DynDNS domain name that points to my DSL connection, with a 
Linksys WRT54G router running OpenWRT with 2 linux machines and a Windows box 
behind it.

I've gotten the system to the point where I can ssh to my domain and log into 
the router and then to one of the linux boxes remotely.  What I want is to 
set it up so that I can set mydomain.net to point to one of the linux boxes, 
but I can still ssh to router.mydomain.net or {linuxbox1|
linuxbox2}.mydomain.net.

I'm sure this is possible, but I'm not sure where to look for a solution.

Where do I start reading?

Thanks,
Mark Mitchell
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From florin at iucha.net  Sun Apr  2 23:39:50 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <4430898C.60107@mchsi.com>
References: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com> <4430898C.60107@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20060403043950.GC7183@iucha.net>

On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 09:33:48PM -0500, nick thompson wrote:
> Why not have a meeting just to get together and chat linux up. I'd go. I
> bet a lot less people would go than normal, but it'd be fun. Anyone who
> would go to such a thing, a speakerless meeting, raise your hand? And
> btw Clay, I mean no disrespect whatsoever I have the greatest respect
> for all you've done and continue to do for tclug.

It's call beer meeting, and we used to have those. Feel free to call
one up...

florin

-- 
There was a typo, but on the wrong page.
   -- Vipin Kumar
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Apr  3 07:28:57 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:28:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
Message-ID: <200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Sunday 02 April 2006 11:35 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> What I've got is a DynDNS domain name that points to my DSL connection,
> with a Linksys WRT54G router running OpenWRT with 2 linux machines and a
> Windows box behind it.
>
> I've gotten the system to the point where I can ssh to my domain and log
> into the router and then to one of the linux boxes remotely.  What I want
> is to set it up so that I can set mydomain.net to point to one of the linux
> boxes, but I can still ssh to router.mydomain.net or {linuxbox1|
> linuxbox2}.mydomain.net.
>
> I'm sure this is possible, but I'm not sure where to look for a solution.
>
> Where do I start reading?
>

I do not know the capabilities of OpenWRT but presumably you can install 
iptables or some other packet handling program that supports NAT and port 
redirection. You could leave port 22 on your router and redirect a different 
TCP port like 2022 to port 22 on one of your internal hosts. 

This is not exactly what you asked but I don't think it is really possibly to 
do what you are asking unless you can get access to multiple IP addresses. I 
don't know enough about DNS SIP but it may be possible to do it that way as 
well. If you can get multiple public IP addresses then you'd be able to do 
what you want easily.


From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 09:04:25 2006
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:04:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <27e6356a0604030704t4d7ddfb3v6c85491dd78d9a2d@mail.gmail.com>

> This is not exactly what you asked but I don't think it is really possibly to
> do what you are asking unless you can get access to multiple IP addresses. I
> don't know enough about DNS SIP but it may be possible to do it that way as
> well. If you can get multiple public IP addresses then you'd be able to do
> what you want easily.

Actually, multiple IP addresses are not necessary.  Just use NAT, and
DynDNS has a "wildcard" option, so that *.myname.myhost.com will all
point to the same IP address.  SSH will complain the first time you
try to access the same IP by a different name, but if you tell it that
it's ok, it won't complain in the future.

--
Justin Kremer
"We seem to have an insatiable appetite for wanting to lump incongruous
activities onto the complex task of driving." - Autoweek


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Apr  3 09:39:16 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Review)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:39:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review
Message-ID: <200604031439.k33EdGX11433@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Review 

Category: ISPs

Subject: IPHouse

Very Linux friendly ISP, no ports blocked, no rate limiting, static IP included, talk to (local) techs not clueless script readers.

20$ a month on top of what Qwest charges for 7Mb DSL service.  But worth it IMHO.

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi



From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 09:49:08 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:49:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020604030749g62385d93vbb1de2c94b955b0b@mail.gmail.com>

Back when I had roomates who wanted SSH access to their box, we just
setup the router to forward some high ports to the ssh port on the
Linux machine.

ie:
Justin's Box was port 1022
My Box was port 1033.

Then we just used the wild card option in dyndns, so we were doing

ssh -p 1022 kremer.geekapt.homeip.net
ssh -p 1023 zibby.geekapt.homeip.net

It worked out well enough until you hit a firewall that blocked
outbound ports. ;)

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Mon Apr  3 09:47:59 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:47:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review
In-Reply-To: <200604031439.k33EdGX11433@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200604031439.k33EdGX11433@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200604030947.59373.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Monday 03 April 2006 09:39, TCLUG Review <webmaster at mn-linux.org> sent a 
missive stating: 
> New TCLUG Review
>
> Category: ISPs
>
> Subject: IPHouse
>
> Very Linux friendly ISP, no ports blocked, no rate limiting, static IP
> included, talk to (local) techs not clueless script readers.
>
> 20$ a month on top of what Qwest charges for 7Mb DSL service.  But worth it
> IMHO.
>
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi
>

Yeah, I've got a full rack co-lo'ed there. They kick butt.

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From j at packetgod.com  Mon Apr  3 09:52:09 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:52:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>
References: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <44313699.9000802@packetgod.com>

The problem with this is they all point back to the same IP address 
which means that to your NAT device they all look the same and it can 
only route that port 22 connection into one inside box.  You could use 
different port numbers for each and just set your client to use those 
other ports, in fact if you change them all from 22 then you also stop 
getting those annoying brute force attempts.  So change them so 
something like 2222, 2223, 2224 or whatever you feel like, its your network.

Fun idea for some coding though, give SSH the ability to see the 
hostname that was connected to and route it to the appropriate box 
similar to the Apache method for hosting multiple web sites.

--j

Mark Mitchell wrote:
> What I've got is a DynDNS domain name that points to my DSL connection, with a 
> Linksys WRT54G router running OpenWRT with 2 linux machines and a Windows box 
> behind it.
>
> I've gotten the system to the point where I can ssh to my domain and log into 
> the router and then to one of the linux boxes remotely.  What I want is to 
> set it up so that I can set mydomain.net to point to one of the linux boxes, 
> but I can still ssh to router.mydomain.net or {linuxbox1|
> linuxbox2}.mydomain.net.
>
> I'm sure this is possible, but I'm not sure where to look for a solution.
>
> Where do I start reading?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Mitchell
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   




From j at packetgod.com  Mon Apr  3 10:11:34 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020604030749g62385d93vbb1de2c94b955b0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<e3a54b020604030749g62385d93vbb1de2c94b955b0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44313B26.2000506@packetgod.com>

Oops, didn't see this reply before I replied.  This is the same thing as 
I was saying.

But I'll add to it, to get around outbound firewall access lists get 
creative and think about what ports might be allowed out and use them.  
Don't have a SSL server setup?  Use 443 for ssh.  Don't have ftp setup?  
Use 20 and 21 for ssh.

Or setup OpenVPN on your OpenWRT box (or an internal one) and setup a 
vpn into your internal network then you can do anything you want to any 
of the internal boxes.  I actually have my OpenVPN box listening on 443 
as most firewalls both allow that out and don't try to inspect or futz 
with it.

--j

Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> Back when I had roomates who wanted SSH access to their box, we just
> setup the router to forward some high ports to the ssh port on the
> Linux machine.
>
> ie:
> Justin's Box was port 1022
> My Box was port 1033.
>
> Then we just used the wild card option in dyndns, so we were doing
>
> ssh -p 1022 kremer.geekapt.homeip.net
> ssh -p 1023 zibby.geekapt.homeip.net
>
> It worked out well enough until you hit a firewall that blocked
> outbound ports. ;)
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
> 0 rows returned
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   




From jima at beer.tclug.org  Mon Apr  3 10:56:41 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:56:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <44313699.9000802@packetgod.com>
References: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>
	<44313699.9000802@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604031046510.20324@beer.tclug.org>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, J Cruit wrote:
> The problem with this is they all point back to the same IP address
> which means that to your NAT device they all look the same and it can
> only route that port 22 connection into one inside box.  You could use
> different port numbers for each and just set your client to use those
> other ports, in fact if you change them all from 22 then you also stop
> getting those annoying brute force attempts.  So change them so
> something like 2222, 2223, 2224 or whatever you feel like, its your network.
>
> Fun idea for some coding though, give SSH the ability to see the
> hostname that was connected to and route it to the appropriate box
> similar to the Apache method for hosting multiple web sites.

  I think that'd require the SSH client to pass the hostname it was trying 
to connect to in plaintext before SSL negotiation, as it hasn't yet 
ascertained the destination machine's SSL keys.
  Instead, I'd go with the oft-suggested (and your first suggestion) 
"redirect an alternate port to each internal machine" suggestion, but with 
an extra spin...so long as you control the ~/.ssh/config (or similar) on 
the external client machine.  Just add:

Host router.mydomain.net
   Port 2222
   CheckHostIP no

Host box1.mydomain.net
   Port 2223
   CheckHostIP no

Host box2.mydomain.net
   Port 2224
   CheckHostIP no

  ...etc.
  Then when you ssh to box2.mydomain.net, it goes to port 2224 
automagically, and (as I recall, based on the CheckHostIP option) doesn't 
nag you about the key not matching the one known for the IP (which may be 
the router or box1's).
  No SSH software mangling required.

  Of course, there are other methods available (i.e., VPN) if you have 
fine-grained control over the remote client (your laptop, for instance), 
but that's slightly more involved.

      Jima


From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Apr  3 11:30:43 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:30:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604031046510.20324@beer.tclug.org> 
References: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>
	<44313699.9000802@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0604031046510.20324@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <20060403163043.DB0501FDE@skuld.wookimus.net>

I have the same type of setup (DSL+OpenWRT), with the exception of
having a static IP address.  I forward port 22 connections on the
external interface to my Linux box behind the firewall.  I only allow
SSH port 22 connections TO my firewall from BEHIND the firewall.
Works out nicely. ;-)  I do want to put in OpenVPN at some point,
though.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Mon Apr  3 03:51:36 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:51:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <20060403043950.GC7183@iucha.net>
References: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com> <4430898C.60107@mchsi.com>
	<20060403043950.GC7183@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <4430E218.10504@mchsi.com>

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Florin Iucha wrote:
> 
> It's call beer meeting, and we used to have those. Feel free to call
> one up...
> 
> florin
> 

I know, I've been on the list since it began. :) /me = dork. Anyway,
someone sent me a reply offlist I'l put below (hope it's ok Jack) :

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
You are always welcome to join the "Linux on Saturday" crew. LOS is a
SIG of
the Twin Cities PC Users Group. (http://www.tcpc.com) You don't need to
be a
member to attend. We meet from 9-11AM the second Saturday of the month.
(Next
week). Visit the TCPC website for instructions on how to get to the meeting
site.

Jack
-
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

	So, anyway, what do you all think? Should I call a beer meeting, or
should I / others go to this "LOS" jack references? Any thoughts?

Nick

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NPT Consulting		    *
npt.ath.cx		    *
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From drue at therub.org  Mon Apr  3 10:31:49 2006
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:31:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <44313B26.2000506@packetgod.com>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<e3a54b020604030749g62385d93vbb1de2c94b955b0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<44313B26.2000506@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <20060403153149.GK62406@therub.org>

Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> Back when I had roomates who wanted SSH access to their box, we just
> setup the router to forward some high ports to the ssh port on the
> Linux machine.
>
> ie:
> Justin's Box was port 1022
> My Box was port 1033.
>
> Then we just used the wild card option in dyndns, so we were doing
>
> ssh -p 1022 kremer.geekapt.homeip.net
> ssh -p 1023 zibby.geekapt.homeip.net
>
> It worked out well enough until you hit a firewall that blocked
> outbound ports. ;)

If you're not connecting from too many places, it is useful to use your
~/.ssh/config file to do something like this: 

host zibby
	Hostname zibby.geekapt.homeip.net
	User drue
	Port 1023

Then from the command line all you have to do is "ssh zibby".  Similar
things can be accomplished with an alias, I suppose, but ssh's config
allows for other handy things as well..  For instance, I set this on all
my machines: 

host *
	Compression yes
	ForwardAgent yes
	Protocol 2,1

Hope that helps..   Too bad DNS didn't allow for specifying ports, eh?

Dan


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Apr  3 13:38:22 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:38:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604031046510.20324@beer.tclug.org>
References: <200604022335.47354.markmit@mn.rr.com>
	<44313699.9000802@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0604031046510.20324@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604031336210.28891@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Jima wrote:
> Host router.mydomain.net
>   Port 2222
>   CheckHostIP no
>
> Host box1.mydomain.net
>   Port 2223
>   CheckHostIP no
>
> Host box2.mydomain.net
>   Port 2224
>   CheckHostIP no

You can also specify:

Host sillyname
 	hostname	realhostname.example.com
 	port		7322

I use this for a VM that has a different port to SSH to to get management 
access.. this way, I can ssh to 'hostname-mgmt', and get to the management 
port, with no key errors or anything.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
------------------------------------------------------------------------


From clay at fandre.com  Mon Apr  3 13:41:13 2006
From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:41:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <4430E218.10504@mchsi.com>
References: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com>
	<4430898C.60107@mchsi.com>	<20060403043950.GC7183@iucha.net>
	<4430E218.10504@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <44316C49.4020907@fandre.com>

I will be out of town this weekend, but if there is enough interested I
will try to reserve a room for a meeting.

I put up a webpoll on the TCLUG homepage, so let me know if you would
attend a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. We don't have a topic, but it
could just be a Q&A session or something.

http://www.tclug.org

-- Clay

nick thompson wrote:
> Florin Iucha wrote:
>>> It's call beer meeting, and we used to have those. Feel free to call
>>> one up...
>>>
>>> florin
>>>
> 
> I know, I've been on the list since it began. :) /me = dork. Anyway,
> someone sent me a reply offlist I'l put below (hope it's ok Jack) :
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> You are always welcome to join the "Linux on Saturday" crew. LOS is a
> SIG of
> the Twin Cities PC Users Group. (http://www.tcpc.com) You don't need to
> be a
> member to attend. We meet from 9-11AM the second Saturday of the month.
> (Next
> week). Visit the TCPC website for instructions on how to get to the meeting
> site.
> 
> Jack
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 	So, anyway, what do you all think? Should I call a beer meeting, or
> should I / others go to this "LOS" jack references? Any thoughts?
> 
> Nick
> 
> -----------------------------
> nick thompson		    *
> NPT Consulting		    *
> npt.ath.cx		    *
> -----------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From smac at visi.com  Mon Apr  3 14:04:11 2006
From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com)
Date: Mon,  3 Apr 2006 14:04:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
In-Reply-To: <200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <1144091050.443171ab01bf5@my.visi.com>

Depending on your router you can port forward without any additional software.
Simply set the port to forward to to the IP address of the specific box.

Sam


Quoting Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>:

> On Sunday 02 April 2006 11:35 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> > What I've got is a DynDNS domain name that points to my DSL connection,
> > with a Linksys WRT54G router running OpenWRT with 2 linux machines and a
> > Windows box behind it.
> >
> > I've gotten the system to the point where I can ssh to my domain and log
> > into the router and then to one of the linux boxes remotely.  What I want
> > is to set it up so that I can set mydomain.net to point to one of the linux
> > boxes, but I can still ssh to router.mydomain.net or {linuxbox1|
> > linuxbox2}.mydomain.net.
> >
> > I'm sure this is possible, but I'm not sure where to look for a solution.
> >
> > Where do I start reading?
> >
>
> I do not know the capabilities of OpenWRT but presumably you can install
> iptables or some other packet handling program that supports NAT and port
> redirection. You could leave port 22 on your router and redirect a different
> TCP port like 2022 to port 22 on one of your internal hosts.
>
> This is not exactly what you asked but I don't think it is really possibly to
> do what you are asking unless you can get access to multiple IP addresses. I
> don't know enough about DNS SIP but it may be possible to do it that way as
> well. If you can get multiple public IP addresses then you'd be able to do
> what you want easily.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>





From dfellman at mn.rr.com  Mon Apr  3 15:00:31 2006
From: dfellman at mn.rr.com (dfellman at mn.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:00:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>

If true, I think this will be good news, as it will make it easier for
Windows users to try a number of different Linix distros without having
to risk clobbering their boot partitions.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/circulation/win_v1_apr06.cfm

According to a report on CNET News.com, Microsoft today will reveal that
its upcoming server virtualization software, Virtual Server 2005 R2,
will be made available to customers for free. The current version costs
either $99 or $199, depending on the number of supported processors.
Virtual Server 2005 R2 will allow corporations to run guest operating
systems in special software-based virtual machines under the host
server. It will compete with products such as VMWare Server, which will
also be made available for free.

Also new from the Microsoft camp is a sudden resurgence in Linux
support. When Microsoft initially developed its Virtual PC and Virtual
Server products, both of which are based on technology acquired from
Connectix, the first thing the software giant did was remove any
official support for running Linux virtual machines. Now, however, after
a few years of customer complaints, Linux support is back, and Microsoft
says that it has even developed methods for more easily installing
popular Linux distributions in Virtual Server-based virtual machines.
The company will even support customers that wish to run Windows and
Linux virtual machines side-by-side on the same hardware.

"We?ve made a long-term commitment to make sure that non-Windows
operating systems can be run in a supported manner, both on top of
Virtual Server and our future virtualization products," says Windows
Server director of product marketing Zane Adam. Additionally, Microsoft
is working to build virtualization services directly into the next
Windows Server version, currently codenamed Longhorn Server and due in 2007.

Microsoft's Virtual Server moves are timed to coincide with the start of
LinuxWorld in Boston this week. Though Microsoft is a staunch opponent
of Linux, the company has been opening up to various Linux
interoperability and migration scenarios over the past few years.



From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Apr  3 15:07:37 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:07:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060403150737.ykvfs277z9b4kwg8@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Doesn't seem like it would be any better than downloading the free 
VMWare player
and aone of the many prebuilt VM images available for it:

VM Player:
http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
VM OS Images:
http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/community.html#OS

Maybe it will get some more press because it is Microsoft including Linux
support, but be assured it is only because they want leverage in the
virtualization market. I am sure that if they could put VMWare out of business
their Linux support wouldn't be too long lasting.

Josh

Quoting dfellman at mn.rr.com:

> If true, I think this will be good news, as it will make it easier for
> Windows users to try a number of different Linix distros without having
> to risk clobbering their boot partitions.
>
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/circulation/win_v1_apr06.cfm
>
> According to a report on CNET News.com, Microsoft today will reveal that
> its upcoming server virtualization software, Virtual Server 2005 R2,
> will be made available to customers for free. The current version costs
> either $99 or $199, depending on the number of supported processors.
> Virtual Server 2005 R2 will allow corporations to run guest operating
> systems in special software-based virtual machines under the host
> server. It will compete with products such as VMWare Server, which will
> also be made available for free.
>
> Also new from the Microsoft camp is a sudden resurgence in Linux
> support. When Microsoft initially developed its Virtual PC and Virtual
> Server products, both of which are based on technology acquired from
> Connectix, the first thing the software giant did was remove any
> official support for running Linux virtual machines. Now, however, after
> a few years of customer complaints, Linux support is back, and Microsoft
> says that it has even developed methods for more easily installing
> popular Linux distributions in Virtual Server-based virtual machines.
> The company will even support customers that wish to run Windows and
> Linux virtual machines side-by-side on the same hardware.
>
> "We've made a long-term commitment to make sure that non-Windows
> operating systems can be run in a supported manner, both on top of
> Virtual Server and our future virtualization products," says Windows
> Server director of product marketing Zane Adam. Additionally, Microsoft
> is working to build virtualization services directly into the next
> Windows Server version, currently codenamed Longhorn Server and due in 2007.
>
> Microsoft's Virtual Server moves are timed to coincide with the start of
> LinuxWorld in Boston this week. Though Microsoft is a staunch opponent
> of Linux, the company has been opening up to various Linux
> interoperability and migration scenarios over the past few years.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>




From j at packetgod.com  Mon Apr  3 15:28:15 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:28:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4431855F.7060402@packetgod.com>

Now the paranoia starts...  I wonder if Linux will be designed to run 
slower in the VMs =)  Look how slow linux is compared to windows, see we 
told you that you shouldn't run that stuff.

Thanks but no thanks, VMWare server is free now so no reason to switch 
even for Windows hosts IMHO.  Beta 2 is out today!

--j

dfellman at mn.rr.com wrote:
> If true, I think this will be good news, as it will make it easier for
> Windows users to try a number of different Linix distros without having
> to risk clobbering their boot partitions.
>
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/circulation/win_v1_apr06.cfm
>
> According to a report on CNET News.com, Microsoft today will reveal that
> its upcoming server virtualization software, Virtual Server 2005 R2,
> will be made available to customers for free. The current version costs
> either $99 or $199, depending on the number of supported processors.
> Virtual Server 2005 R2 will allow corporations to run guest operating
> systems in special software-based virtual machines under the host
> server. It will compete with products such as VMWare Server, which will
> also be made available for free.
>
> Also new from the Microsoft camp is a sudden resurgence in Linux
> support. When Microsoft initially developed its Virtual PC and Virtual
> Server products, both of which are based on technology acquired from
> Connectix, the first thing the software giant did was remove any
> official support for running Linux virtual machines. Now, however, after
> a few years of customer complaints, Linux support is back, and Microsoft
> says that it has even developed methods for more easily installing
> popular Linux distributions in Virtual Server-based virtual machines.
> The company will even support customers that wish to run Windows and
> Linux virtual machines side-by-side on the same hardware.
>
> "We?ve made a long-term commitment to make sure that non-Windows
> operating systems can be run in a supported manner, both on top of
> Virtual Server and our future virtualization products," says Windows
> Server director of product marketing Zane Adam. Additionally, Microsoft
> is working to build virtualization services directly into the next
> Windows Server version, currently codenamed Longhorn Server and due in 2007.
>
> Microsoft's Virtual Server moves are timed to coincide with the start of
> LinuxWorld in Boston this week. Though Microsoft is a staunch opponent
> of Linux, the company has been opening up to various Linux
> interoperability and migration scenarios over the past few years.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   




From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Apr  3 15:43:00 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:43:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <OF3073BD91.6729FED6-ON86257145.0071BE33-86257145.007213F9@mmm.com>
References: <OF3073BD91.6729FED6-ON86257145.0071BE33-86257145.007213F9@mmm.com>
Message-ID: <20060403154300.qm0gh1b27yo8kggs@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting tshilson at mmm.com:

>
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org wrote on 04/03/2006 03:07:37 PM:
>
>> Doesn't seem like it would be any better than downloading the free
>> VMWare player
>> and aone of the many prebuilt VM images available for it:
>
> With Player the virtual machine definition must be pre-built.  With VMWare
> Server (free) you can define them yourself and tailor them.
>
> (FYI - I am not associated with VMWare.  I attended a VMWare class
> recently. I am really a Linux-on-IBM-Mainframe guy.)
>
> tom
>

True, but for real linux newbies the pre-built, IMHO, would be a great way to
go.

Josh


From jimdscott at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 19:03:00 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:03:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>

I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, my
system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and leaves
me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA drive.

I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked the
power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them both to
be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any other
potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any clues.
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Apr  3 19:17:23 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:17:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux training
In-Reply-To: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com>
References: <442E893D.2090604@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20060404001723.GD19231@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 08:07:57AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote:
> I searched the archives but I couldn't find anything recent so I'll ask
> this one again...
> 
> What are some good local Linux training resources in the area? I know of
> Benchmark and Euler, but what are some others?
> 
> If you recently attended some Linux training or some type of
> certification, please fill out a review on the TCLUG review site and let
> us know.

Red Hat does offer their certification training in the Twin Cities - I
earned my RHCE here a while back.  One of their instructors is
originally from the area.

The training was superb.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From smac at visi.com  Mon Apr  3 22:11:34 2006
From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com)
Date: Mon,  3 Apr 2006 22:11:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1144120294.4431e3e667aa8@my.visi.com>

Microsoft is just responding to business customers, trying to gain market share.

BTW R2 is not a production product it is still in testing.

Quoting "dfellman at mn.rr.com" <dfellman at mn.rr.com>:

> If true, I think this will be good news, as it will make it easier for
> Windows users to try a number of different Linix distros without having
> to risk clobbering their boot partitions.
>
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/circulation/win_v1_apr06.cfm
>
> According to a report on CNET News.com, Microsoft today will reveal that
> its upcoming server virtualization software, Virtual Server 2005 R2,
> will be made available to customers for free. The current version costs
> either $99 or $199, depending on the number of supported processors.
> Virtual Server 2005 R2 will allow corporations to run guest operating
> systems in special software-based virtual machines under the host
> server. It will compete with products such as VMWare Server, which will
> also be made available for free.
>
> Also new from the Microsoft camp is a sudden resurgence in Linux
> support. When Microsoft initially developed its Virtual PC and Virtual
> Server products, both of which are based on technology acquired from
> Connectix, the first thing the software giant did was remove any
> official support for running Linux virtual machines. Now, however, after
> a few years of customer complaints, Linux support is back, and Microsoft
> says that it has even developed methods for more easily installing
> popular Linux distributions in Virtual Server-based virtual machines.
> The company will even support customers that wish to run Windows and
> Linux virtual machines side-by-side on the same hardware.
>
> "We?ve made a long-term commitment to make sure that non-Windows
> operating systems can be run in a supported manner, both on top of
> Virtual Server and our future virtualization products," says Windows
> Server director of product marketing Zane Adam. Additionally, Microsoft
> is working to build virtualization services directly into the next
> Windows Server version, currently codenamed Longhorn Server and due in 2007.
>
> Microsoft's Virtual Server moves are timed to coincide with the start of
> LinuxWorld in Boston this week. Though Microsoft is a staunch opponent
> of Linux, the company has been opening up to various Linux
> interoperability and migration scenarios over the past few years.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>





From josh at tcbug.org  Tue Apr  4 10:00:02 2006
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:00:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <44316C49.4020907@fandre.com>
References: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com> <4430E218.10504@mchsi.com>
	<44316C49.4020907@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <200604041000.02334.josh@tcbug.org>

On Monday 03 April 2006 13:41, Clayton Fandre wrote:
> I will be out of town this weekend, but if there is enough
> interested I will try to reserve a room for a meeting.
>
> I put up a webpoll on the TCLUG homepage, so let me know if you
> would attend a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. We don't have a topic,
> but it could just be a Q&A session or something.
>
> http://www.tclug.org
>
> -- Clay

We (TCBUG) are having our meeting this Saturday on the U of M campus.  
You guys are more than welcome to join us.  We don't have a topic but 
if an IPTABLES guru showed up that would make an awesome 
presentation. :)

We'll be in the EE/Csci building room 2-204

http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/ for directions

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Tue Apr  4 10:27:41 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:27:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Job opportunity
Message-ID: <20060404152741.GA20846@mail.el-swifto.com>

Holmes Corporation is looking for a programmer, someone who has the
'nix, Perl, Mason, MySQL, Apache, mod_perl, etc.  skill set.

If you have such skills and are in the market for a new job, contact me.
The job is a full-time, regular-employee position, not freelance or
contract.

johnt at holmescorp.com

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From admin at lctn.org  Tue Apr  4 10:48:35 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
Message-ID: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

So far, every distro I have installed will not find my Dell Optiplex,
integrated sound card. I need to do a dozen workstation installs of the
same box. I see that some people are using Soundblaster Live cards. Will
this card work for most Linux distros?


Raymond



From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:09:13 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:09:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 802.11g Wii Comatible Card List, Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <200604012036.k31KahWS027433@delta.twp-llc.com>
References: <mailman.49.1143913270.5491.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<200604012036.k31KahWS027433@delta.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020604040909o67090365wa9d81452b35fe0f9@mail.gmail.com>

Cards based on the Atheros chipset are more or less the gold standard
for wireless in Linux. I picked up a brand new ORiNOCO GOLD PC card
the other day for about $70, just to do some wireless sniffing. :)

When shopping for network cards, the fastest way I've found is to
browse a vendor that will display the manufacurer part number (CDW
works well) and then dropping the part number into
http://www.google.com/linux.

There is also http://www.linuxcompatible.org, and probally other sites.


--
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SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:17:51 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:17:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> So far, every distro I have installed will not find my Dell Optiplex,
> integrated sound card. I need to do a dozen workstation installs of the
> same box. I see that some people are using Soundblaster Live cards. Will
> this card work for most Linux distros?
>

What soundcare does your optiplex have?

Yes, the SB Live! should work, though if it's a SB Live! provided by
Dell you may have problems.  From what I can remember, they use a
slightly different chipset that can make it incompatible with the
default SB Live! driver.

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
^^^ this may be of help to you.


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Tue Apr  4 11:25:05 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:25:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
Message-ID: <2006040416250551ded255f0@mail.smumn.edu>


>So far, every distro I have installed will not find my Dell Optiplex,
>integrated sound card. I need to do a dozen workstation installs of the
>same box. I see that some people are using Soundblaster Live cards. Will
>this card work for most Linux distros?

I hope not to be spewing reduntant information here, but this is what I found:

ALSA drivers do run most of the SoundBlaster cards, you can view more information here

http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html

ALSA's sound card matrix

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix


"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From admin at lctn.org  Tue Apr  4 11:06:44 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:06:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <200604041620.k34GKi2x003055@mail.lctn.org>
References: <200604041620.k34GKi2x003055@mail.lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1144166805.10409.91.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

> I had problems making a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" work with Ubuntu.  
> Eventually I just gave up and got another sound card.  I don't have the 
> details or my notes here -- I'll look them up later if you're interested.


Ubuntu is what we are going to be using, so do you think it was isolated
to your situation, or an Ubuntu thing?






From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Tue Apr  4 11:25:49 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:25:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <1144167949.32371.258290949@webmail.messagingengine.com>

What chipset is your integrated sound?
You can do an lspci to find out.
If your chipset is supported in Linux then you should be able to get it
to work by manually configuring it.
Most Soundblaster Live cards are supported under Linux but I've seen
distributions recognizing them as a different type of card. In that case
it had to be manually configured.


----- Original message -----
From: "Raymond Norton" <admin at lctn.org>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live

So far, every distro I have installed will not find my Dell Optiplex,
integrated sound card. I need to do a dozen workstation installs of the
same box. I see that some people are using Soundblaster Live cards. Will
this card work for most Linux distros?


Raymond


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From admin at lctn.org  Tue Apr  4 11:08:46 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:08:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1144166926.10409.94.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

> What soundcare does your optiplex have?

The chip on the board is a Crystal, Cs4236b-ka



From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Tue Apr  4 11:37:06 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:37:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200604041137.06799.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:17, "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com> sent a 
missive stating: 
> On 4/4/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> > So far, every distro I have installed will not find my Dell Optiplex,
> > integrated sound card. I need to do a dozen workstation installs of the
> > same box. I see that some people are using Soundblaster Live cards. Will
> > this card work for most Linux distros?
>
> What soundcare does your optiplex have?
>
> Yes, the SB Live! should work, though if it's a SB Live! provided by
> Dell you may have problems.  From what I can remember, they use a
> slightly different chipset that can make it incompatible with the
> default SB Live! driver.

Yes, they do. Buggers!

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Tue Apr  4 11:50:29 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:50:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <1144166926.10409.94.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1144165716.10409.87.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0604040917v5ef26a93y1876f916b1e36e21@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144166926.10409.94.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <1144169429.7562.258294237@webmail.messagingengine.com>

There is an Alsa driver in the 2.6 kernel called cs4236 which according
to Alsa's website supports the CS4236B chipset.


----- Original message -----
From: "Raymond Norton" <admin at lctn.org>
To: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:08:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] soundblaster live

> What soundcare does your optiplex have?

The chip on the board is a Crystal, Cs4236b-ka


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From josh at joshwelch.com  Tue Apr  4 11:46:06 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:46:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060404114606.c8vo56w10f00s4w8@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com>:

> I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
> installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, my
> system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and leaves
> me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA drive.
>
> I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked the
> power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them both to
> be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any other
> potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any clues.
>

Sounds like a potential issue with the motherboard. You may want to 
check their
support site and see if there are any known issues where it flakes out due to
having an IDE and SATA drive installed. I haven't heard of this before, but I
could understand how it would happen. Maybe a bios update would resolve it.

Josh


From pclinux at charter.net  Tue Apr  4 12:13:08 2006
From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:13:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <4432A924.70705@charter.net>

Quoting jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com>:

 > > I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
 > > installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, my
 > > system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and 
leaves
 > > me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA 
drive.
 > >
 > > I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked the
 > > power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them 
both to
 > > be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any 
other
 > > potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any 
clues.
 > >

Sounds like a potential issue with the motherboard. You may want to
check their
support site and see if there are any known issues where it flakes out 
due to
having an IDE and SATA drive installed. I haven't heard of this before, 
but I
could understand how it would happen. Maybe a bios update would resolve it.

Josh



-----Look through your BIOS settings carefully.  Make sure you have it 
set to boot from your SATA drive first, etc.  On my Asus board, there 
are several settings on multiple pages that need to be correct.  It was 
not initially obvious what to do.

Carl




From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:12:44 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:12:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0604041012o2fee2283m6abfd18b0d42aac7@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/3/06, jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
> installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, my
> system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and leaves
> me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA drive.
>
> I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked the
> power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them both to
> be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any other
> potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any clues.

If the motherboard doesn't turn out to be the problem, it would
probably be worth installing the smartmontools package.  It will allow
you to check the internal SMART attributes of the drive - you can
usually spot a failing drive by doing this.


From jimdscott at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:34:58 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:34:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <4432A924.70705@charter.net>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I think I left a key fact out of my original description. I can boot to the
SATA drive. Everything seems to work normally for an hour or more, then the
system spontaneously reboots and "loses" the SATA drive. Is it likely a
motherboard problem if the problem doesn't occur on first boot?

On 4/4/06, Carl Zeilon <pclinux at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Quoting jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com>:
>
> > > I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
> > > installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then,
> my
> > > system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and
> leaves
> > > me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA
> drive.
> > >
> > > I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked
> the
> > > power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them
> both to
> > > be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any
> other
> > > potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any
> clues.
> > >
>
> Sounds like a potential issue with the motherboard. You may want to
> check their
> support site and see if there are any known issues where it flakes out
> due to
> having an IDE and SATA drive installed. I haven't heard of this before,
> but I
> could understand how it would happen. Maybe a bios update would resolve
> it.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> -----Look through your BIOS settings carefully.  Make sure you have it
> set to boot from your SATA drive first, etc.  On my Asus board, there
> are several settings on multiple pages that need to be correct.  It was
> not initially obvious what to do.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:36:13 2006
From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] windows virtual server 2005 - FYI
In-Reply-To: <1144120294.4431e3e667aa8@my.visi.com>
References: <mailman.1.1144083604.21340.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<c59ed2fbdb62.db62c59ed2fb@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<1144120294.4431e3e667aa8@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <307a337f0604041036h77b5952cvd1f56bd647dbebd8@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/3/06, smac at visi.com <smac at visi.com> wrote:
> Microsoft is just responding to business customers, trying to gain market share.
>

Stop it Sam!  The Slashdot-esque paranoia is much more fun.  Don't be
so logical:)


From florin at iucha.net  Tue Apr  4 13:21:08 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:21:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:34:58PM -0500, jim scott wrote:
> I think I left a key fact out of my original description. I can boot to the
> SATA drive. Everything seems to work normally for an hour or more, then the
> system spontaneously reboots and "loses" the SATA drive. Is it likely a
> motherboard problem if the problem doesn't occur on first boot?

If you take the IDE hard-disk out, for a day, does it improve the
stability? (I know it used to work, let's find out if the damage is
permanent).

If that config is stable, try running with only the IDE disk. Find
another one and do a clean install of your favorite distro and use
that for a couple of days.

Linux does not use the BIOS, so unless there is some severe hardware
problem, I don't see what could cause spontaneous reboots.

Does the machine have a serial port? Do you have another machine close
by? You could try to set up a serial console, it should capture any
last distress messages from the kernel before the panic/reboot, if it is
aware of anything.

florin

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From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 14:00:59 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:00:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
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If your motherboard has temperature sensors I'd watch those as well.
It could be as simple as you don't have enough cooling for two hard
drives.


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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 14:13:21 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:13:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>
	<e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion. The motherboard and CPU are both running at about
40 degrees C after 1 hour of use so I don't think that's the problem.

On 4/4/06, Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If your motherboard has temperature sensors I'd watch those as well.
> It could be as simple as you don't have enough cooling for two hard
> drives.
>
>
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From j at packetgod.com  Tue Apr  4 14:58:39 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:58:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>	<20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>	<e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4432CFEF.5040700@packetgod.com>

Actually the HDs would be a separate sensor and separate issue, I have 
seen cool MB/CPU and burning HDs before.  Often this is due to how they 
are mounted (too close to each other or stuck out of the way) or lack of 
ventilation over them.

--j

jim scott wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. The motherboard and CPU are both running at 
> about 40 degrees C after 1 hour of use so I don't think that's the 
> problem.
>
> On 4/4/06, * Andrew Zbikowski* <andyzib at gmail.com 
> <mailto:andyzib at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     If your motherboard has temperature sensors I'd watch those as well.
>     It could be as simple as you don't have enough cooling for two hard
>     drives.
>
>
>     --
>     Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
>     SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
>     0 rows returned
>
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>
>
>
>
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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 15:18:02 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:18:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <4432CFEF.5040700@packetgod.com>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>
	<e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4432CFEF.5040700@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604041318r6a628888l2ade3aa8301a9204@mail.gmail.com>

I see. Thanks for the tip. I'll check the circulation near the SATA drive. I
did have to move the SATA drive when I installed the IDE drive. There is
plenty of room between the drives, but the SATA drive is tucked into a
corner now.

On 4/4/06, J Cruit <j at packetgod.com> wrote:
>
> Actually the HDs would be a separate sensor and separate issue, I have
> seen cool MB/CPU and burning HDs before.  Often this is due to how they
> are mounted (too close to each other or stuck out of the way) or lack of
> ventilation over them.
>
> --j
>
> jim scott wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestion. The motherboard and CPU are both running at
> > about 40 degrees C after 1 hour of use so I don't think that's the
> > problem.
> >
> > On 4/4/06, * Andrew Zbikowski* <andyzib at gmail.com
> > <mailto:andyzib at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     If your motherboard has temperature sensors I'd watch those as well.
> >     It could be as simple as you don't have enough cooling for two hard
> >     drives.
> >
> >
> >     --
> >     Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> >     SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
> >     0 rows returned
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Your source. For everything. Really.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us  Tue Apr  4 15:39:12 2006
From: jstuart at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Joe Stuart)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:39:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dba's
Message-ID: <s432932c.013@edenpr.k12.mn.us>

I was wondering if there are any dba's out there that have worked with this product, or know much about it.

http://www.versant.com/en_US/products/objectdatabase 

Thanks



From dan at dandrake.org  Tue Apr  4 17:18:19 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:18:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] key combination to paste in X?
Message-ID: <20060404221819.GA31284@dandrake.org>

Hello TCLUGgers,

Instead of middle-clicking to paste in X, I'd like to use a key
combination. I use Gnome (2.6 in my office, whatever Ubuntu Breezy has
at home).

In Gnome, I can hit Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, but that's for the Gnome
copy/paste buffer; I want to paste from the X buffer by hitting some
keys. Is this possible?

Dan

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From florin at iucha.net  Tue Apr  4 17:51:14 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:51:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604041318r6a628888l2ade3aa8301a9204@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>
	<e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4432CFEF.5040700@packetgod.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041318r6a628888l2ade3aa8301a9204@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060404225114.GF7183@iucha.net>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 03:18:02PM -0500, jim scott wrote:
> I see. Thanks for the tip. I'll check the circulation near the SATA drive. I
> did have to move the SATA drive when I installed the IDE drive. There is
> plenty of room between the drives, but the SATA drive is tucked into a
> corner now.

Run a kernel compilation and a find / then shutdown and try to touch
the hard disk. It should be hot, but not so hot to burn your finger.

florin

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From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Tue Apr  4 19:42:45 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:42:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] key combination to paste in X?
In-Reply-To: <20060404221819.GA31284@dandrake.org>
References: <20060404221819.GA31284@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <200604041942.45266.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Tuesday 04 April 2006 17:18, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> sent a missive 
stating: 
> Hello TCLUGgers,
>
> Instead of middle-clicking to paste in X, I'd like to use a key
> combination. I use Gnome (2.6 in my office, whatever Ubuntu Breezy has
> at home).
>
> In Gnome, I can hit Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, but that's for the Gnome
> copy/paste buffer; I want to paste from the X buffer by hitting some
> keys. Is this possible?
>
> Dan

Usually it's Shift-Insert


Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From admin at lctn.org  Tue Apr  4 20:59:14 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:59:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
In-Reply-To: <4432FFD0.6080306@tcq.net>
References: <200604041620.k34GKi2x003055@mail.lctn.org>
	<1144166805.10409.91.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<4432FFD0.6080306@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <59506.204.212.34.10.1144202354.squirrel@lctn.org>

 > Then there's always Knoppix.  If you can boot Knoppix and get sound,
> there has to be a way to get it to work in other distributions!  (Which
> gives me an idea -- I could install the SoundBlaster in another computer
> and see what Knoppix does...)

I had been using Knoppix all along, but had been talked into Ubuntu, and
was hoping it would support the Cirrus logic cs4236 chip set. Later today
I received and answer to my post on the Knoppix site. Turns out it has
alsa built into it. I just had to run alsaconf, and tell it to probe for
isa sound cards. It found and configured my sound card, so I'm back on the
Knoppix band wagon again:)







From dan at dandrake.org  Tue Apr  4 21:52:34 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:52:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] key combination to paste in X?
In-Reply-To: <200604041942.45266.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <20060404221819.GA31284@dandrake.org>
	<200604041942.45266.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <20060405025234.GA31610@dandrake.org>

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 at 06:42PM -0600, Henrik Hudson wrote:
> > Instead of middle-clicking to paste in X, I'd like to use a key
> > combination. I use Gnome (2.6 in my office, whatever Ubuntu Breezy has
> > at home).
> >
> > In Gnome, I can hit Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, but that's for the Gnome
> > copy/paste buffer; I want to paste from the X buffer by hitting some
> > keys. Is this possible?
> 
> Usually it's Shift-Insert

Yes! That's it. Exactly what I wanted. Thanks!

Dan

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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Tue Apr  4 23:21:14 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:21:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
Message-ID: <2006040504211420ded27526@mail.smumn.edu>

Well, you did clutter my Internet. Atleast, I learned something.

p.s.

I would think for all your troubles you would stick with Ubuntu!

David :p


On Tuesday, April 04, 2006  8:59 PM, Raymond Norton wrote:
>
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:59:14 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Raymond Norton
>To: "Kraig Jones" <jkjones at tcq.net>
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] soundblaster live
>
> > Then there's always Knoppix.  If you can boot Knoppix and get sound,
>> there has to be a way to get it to work in other distributions!  (Which
>> gives me an idea -- I could install the SoundBlaster in another computer
>> and see what Knoppix does...)
>
>I had been using Knoppix all along, but had been talked into Ubuntu, and
>was hoping it would support the Cirrus logic cs4236 chip set. Later today
>I received and answer to my post on the Knoppix site. Turns out it has
>alsa built into it. I just had to run alsaconf, and tell it to probe for
>isa sound cards. It found and configured my sound card, so I'm back on the
>Knoppix band wagon again:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From jimdscott at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 09:09:37 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:09:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <20060404225114.GF7183@iucha.net>
References: <mailman.3.1144170003.27045.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4432A924.70705@charter.net>
	<c2c8c3a0604041034r2a0768b5h325cfd989f0087d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060404182108.GD7183@iucha.net>
	<e3a54b020604041200o6f2f7b1dm100d381d830f5f5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041213y4523e38aie6e9069c8cc7fef1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4432CFEF.5040700@packetgod.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604041318r6a628888l2ade3aa8301a9204@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060404225114.GF7183@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604050709s60b23012wb7733e96903976e2@mail.gmail.com>

I'll try that, too. Thanks!

On 4/4/06, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 03:18:02PM -0500, jim scott wrote:
> > I see. Thanks for the tip. I'll check the circulation near the SATA
> drive. I
> > did have to move the SATA drive when I installed the IDE drive. There is
> > plenty of room between the drives, but the SATA drive is tucked into a
> > corner now.
>
> Run a kernel compilation and a find / then shutdown and try to touch
> the hard disk. It should be hot, but not so hot to burn your finger.
>
> florin
>
> --
> There was a typo, but on the wrong page.
>    -- Vipin Kumar
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Apr  6 16:25:35 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:25:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604062125.k36LPZf27308@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Buy

Subject: Help Wanted 

Chipheads Computer Repair Shop is looking for a dependable, resourceful and hard working repair tech to fix customers PC's.  

Experience in a retail repair setting is a must.  Please go to the careers page of www.chipheads.com to submit resume.

Hope to hear from you soon!

Seller Email address: crashmanly at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From obelin23 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 07:57:57 2006
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:57:57 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
Message-ID: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?

If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?

Thanks,

Charlie O
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From jkjones at tcq.net  Sat Apr  8 10:56:58 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:56:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
In-Reply-To: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4437DD4A.4050702@tcq.net>

Charlie O wrote:

> Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?
>
> If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie O
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>
Yes, I've done some recording from LPs and tapes.  The AC'97 sound on my 
Soyo motherboard worked, but the recording quality wasn't very good.  I 
got a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" which played sound after many 
struggles with ALSA, drivers, installation, etc., but I never did get it 
to work with recording.  At the time, I think the input parts of the 
driver were still works in progress.  The SoundBlaster did work fine 
with Windows 2000, but didn't work with Win 98 -- it' s not supported there.

I got an inexpensive C-Media "Cobra 8xx-something" (don't recall the 
model number exactly).  It worked very well with Linux (Ubuntu), for 
both playback and recording.  I gave that away, and replaced it with a 
Turtle Beach Riviera board.  That uses the same chipset as the C-Media 
did, and records and sounds good.  The Windows software was a bit better 
with the C-Media board, I think, and both work with Win 98.

None of these sound cards are top-of-the-line.  Maybe for the best 
quality recording you need something better, but they all work well 
enough for me.  They're all better than the motherboard buit-in sound.

I'm primarily using Audacity for the recording and sound editing.

...Just checked Newegg.com -- I think the "Cobra" board I had was the 
A-Open Cobra AW850-D, but it may be different now.  It was not available 
for a while; that's why I got the Turtle Beach board.

Kraig



From tclug at MarkCourtney.com  Sat Apr  8 12:53:11 2006
From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:53:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
Message-ID: <60587.192.168.2.10.1144518791.squirrel@192.168.2.10>

M-Audio supposedly actually writes drivers for Linux for some of their
cards.  M-Audio cards will deliver a far better sound quality on the input
channels than any consumer-level card.

I've never attempted to use the M-Audio drivers, but they are listed on
the driver download page on their site.

http://www.m-audio.com




Mark Courtney

http://www.MarkCourtney.com

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> Charlie O wrote:
>
>> Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?
>>
>> If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie O
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
> Yes, I've done some recording from LPs and tapes.  The AC'97 sound on my
> Soyo motherboard worked, but the recording quality wasn't very good.  I
> got a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" which played sound after many
> struggles with ALSA, drivers, installation, etc., but I never did get it
> to work with recording.  At the time, I think the input parts of the
> driver were still works in progress.  The SoundBlaster did work fine
> with Windows 2000, but didn't work with Win 98 -- it' s not supported
> there.
>
> I got an inexpensive C-Media "Cobra 8xx-something" (don't recall the
> model number exactly).  It worked very well with Linux (Ubuntu), for
> both playback and recording.  I gave that away, and replaced it with a
> Turtle Beach Riviera board.  That uses the same chipset as the C-Media
> did, and records and sounds good.  The Windows software was a bit better
> with the C-Media board, I think, and both work with Win 98.
>
> None of these sound cards are top-of-the-line.  Maybe for the best
> quality recording you need something better, but they all work well
> enough for me.  They're all better than the motherboard buit-in sound.
>
> I'm primarily using Audacity for the recording and sound editing.
>
> ...Just checked Newegg.com -- I think the "Cobra" board I had was the
> A-Open Cobra AW850-D, but it may be different now.  It was not available
> for a while; that's why I got the Turtle Beach board.
>
> Kraig
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>




From john.meier at gmail.com  Mon Apr 10 11:22:50 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:22:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] rate limiting Postfix / bandwidth throttling
Message-ID: <65293fcc0604100922i2f67f532k9a05ee4bcb22d7cf@mail.gmail.com>

Have mailman and postfix running on a compaq dl380 - dual P3 at 800Mhz and
1.5 Gb ram HW RAID 1 array.  From what I've been told the line it's on is a
T1 shared between two subnets - one local to the office and one at remote
data center - the system is on the local subnet.

Mailman / Postfix set up with understanding of one "announcement only " list
with approx 400 members, one blast to members per day - been working great
for months, then client uploads/subscribes 50K new members/email address and
sends a nice juicy posting at noon.  Network is swamped, connectivity is
slow for users in the office, yadda yadda -

Some advanced notice would have been nice... but going forward I'd like to
make sure the system doesn't consume all available network bandwidth.  Been
researching Postfix and some mailman settings to tweak, and possibly adding
a DNS cache to the machine and then thought of using the OS to rate limit
the bandwidth available to port 25 - anyone have any hints/tips on whether
or not this is a good idea?  Would there be time out issues or something
with Postfix if the "pipe" is too slow etc?

thanks
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From tclug at beitsahour.net  Mon Apr 10 11:35:56 2006
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:35:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a networking pointer...
References: <14111983.1144039272258.JavaMail.root@sniper6>
	<200604030728.57848.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<e3a54b020604030749g62385d93vbb1de2c94b955b0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<44313B26.2000506@packetgod.com>
	<20060403153149.GK62406@therub.org>
Message-ID: <cone.1144686956.572317.23323.1001@home>

Dan Rue writes:

> Hope that helps..   Too bad DNS didn't allow for specifying ports, eh?

Actually dig up your DNS and BIND book and look up the chapter on service 
records or SRV

basically it comes to something like:
_ssh._tcp.example.com. SRV 0 0 22 shellhost.example.com.

SRV records are not well used in the unix world which prefers 
standardisation (unix? standards? huh?) and as such most unix tools do not 
have support for them  (i do not think that ssh has support for them)

--
Munir Nassar


From swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us  Mon Apr 10 11:38:29 2006
From: swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us (Steven White)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:38:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
In-Reply-To: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443A43B50200002500002325@cob-gw.ci.bloomington.mn.us>

I have used gramofile and the on-board sound.  It works, but I am not
enough of an "audiophile" to know if it works well.

Steven White
City of Bloomington
1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
Bloomington MN 55431-3096
USA
952-563-4882 (voice)
952-563-4672 (fax)
steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us

>>> "Charlie O" <obelin23 at gmail.com> 4/8/2006 7:57 AM >>>
Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?

If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?

Thanks,

Charlie O


From swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us  Mon Apr 10 11:54:32 2006
From: swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us (Steven White)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review
In-Reply-To: <200604031439.k33EdGX11433@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200604031439.k33EdGX11433@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <443A4778020000250000232B@cob-gw.ci.bloomington.mn.us>

So here's an idea:

I use Goldengate (iphouse) also.  They do seem to have great support,
but they don't seem to be specifically linux-friendly.  Their official
line seems to be that there are so many linux possibilities, and a linux
user is assumed to be more literate than average, so they can't offer
specific linux advice and don't feel a great need to.  

I asked them once, if I could figure out how to get something working
on linux (I forget what this specific case was), and I wrote it up in
great detail, would they put it on their support site for use by others
in the same situation, and they seemed to be willing to do that.

So the idea is, whenever anyone figures out how to do some
internet-related thing with his/her specific configuration of his/her
specific distribution, he/she will write it up and send it to iphouse. 
This would be things like, how to set up a dail-up connection to iphouse
with SUSE 9.3, or how to get SUSE 10.0. to connect to the wireless part
of the Qwest DSL modem, very specific stuff like that.  

With enough stuff like that, iphouse would become known as a
linux-helpful isp, which would be good for them.  There would be an
increasing body of knowledge of how to use linux with an isp, which
would be good for us.  

If we wanted a standardized format for these "how-to's" to put the
tclug "brand" on them, I would be happy to do a sort of clearing-house,
liason-person job.

Steven White
City of Bloomington
1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
Bloomington MN 55431-3096
USA
952-563-4882 (voice)
952-563-4672 (fax)
steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us

>>> TCLUG Review <webmaster at mn-linux.org> 4/3/2006 9:39 AM >>>
New TCLUG Review 

Category: ISPs

Subject: IPHouse

Very Linux friendly ISP, no ports blocked, no rate limiting, static IP
included, talk to (local) techs not clueless script readers.

20$ a month on top of what Qwest charges for 7Mb DSL service.  But
worth it IMHO.

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi 


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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Apr 11 08:57:33 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] printing and gnome
Message-ID: <1144763853.16561.3.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com>

In KDE I can use kprinter to print from any application that may or may
not be a KDE application.  Does anyone know the equivalent command for
gnome that brings up the gnome print dialog?

Thanks.


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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  8 10:00:20 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:00:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
In-Reply-To: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060408150020.14038.qmail@web30807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had an Audiophile 2496 card working.  Be sure to check out Planet CCRMA
 at:
 
 http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
 
 ... if you haven't already.
 
 Damien
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie O <obelin23 at gmail.com>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2006 6:57:57 AM
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux

Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?
 
 If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Charlie O
 
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From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com  Sat Apr  8 12:43:49 2006
From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:43:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] sound recording with Linux
In-Reply-To: <4437DD4A.4050702@tcq.net>
References: <72278d10604080557n60815670l2e08d46d92ffe4f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4437DD4A.4050702@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <60530.192.168.2.10.1144518229.squirrel@192.168.2.10>

M-Audio supposedly actually writes drivers for Linux for some of their
cards.  M-Audio cards will deliver a far better sound quality on the input
channels than any consumer-level card.

I've never attempted to use the M-Audio drivers, but they are listed on
the driver download page on their site.

http://www.m-audio.com




Mark Courtney

http://www.MarkCourtney.com

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> Charlie O wrote:
>
>> Has anyone in this group done audio recording with Linux?
>>
>> If so, what sound card(s) do you recommend for recording?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie O
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
> Yes, I've done some recording from LPs and tapes.  The AC'97 sound on my
> Soyo motherboard worked, but the recording quality wasn't very good.  I
> got a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" which played sound after many
> struggles with ALSA, drivers, installation, etc., but I never did get it
> to work with recording.  At the time, I think the input parts of the
> driver were still works in progress.  The SoundBlaster did work fine
> with Windows 2000, but didn't work with Win 98 -- it' s not supported
> there.
>
> I got an inexpensive C-Media "Cobra 8xx-something" (don't recall the
> model number exactly).  It worked very well with Linux (Ubuntu), for
> both playback and recording.  I gave that away, and replaced it with a
> Turtle Beach Riviera board.  That uses the same chipset as the C-Media
> did, and records and sounds good.  The Windows software was a bit better
> with the C-Media board, I think, and both work with Win 98.
>
> None of these sound cards are top-of-the-line.  Maybe for the best
> quality recording you need something better, but they all work well
> enough for me.  They're all better than the motherboard buit-in sound.
>
> I'm primarily using Audacity for the recording and sound editing.
>
> ...Just checked Newegg.com -- I think the "Cobra" board I had was the
> A-Open Cobra AW850-D, but it may be different now.  It was not available
> for a while; that's why I got the Turtle Beach board.
>
> Kraig
>
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Apr 11 14:12:39 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:12:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604111912.k3BJCdG24494@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Classic Computers

I'm moving, and would like to get rid of some stuff. Among it, is my collection of old computers, including:

1982-vintage Xerox 860 word processor. (Originally worth ~$9000). Wyse serial terminal. NCR 3400 running honest-to-god SVR4. IBM Pentium-class server with SCA SCSI RAID array. A MicroVAX. Copy of IBM's AIX for the PS/2. All free to good homes. 

Also a couple of stacks of Pentium-class computers and a box of hard drives.

A couch, some tables, a cabinet, and some chairs are also available; see website for details.

Seller Email address: chrome at real-time dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From kc0iog at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 10:49:30 2006
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:49:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with initrd
Message-ID: <2c6699da0604130849k7acc838aod8bc72292108bf7f@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, where to begin...

I'm working on a project involving Zenworks 7 imaging and a piece of
hardware that doesn't like any kernel that's moderately old.  Zenworks
7 employs a kernel based on 2.6.5 and an initrd provides the imaging
utility.  Not being an initrd guru, I'm a bit stuck.

The problem is that the Zenworks linux kernel will boot to the point
of detecting PCI hardware, then lock up the machine.

As I can figure it, I either need to use a more recent kernel and
update the initrd with the modules or use a DSDT table to get over the
PCI issue.  Both have been unsuccessful for me.

Anyone here comfortable working with initrd to help me out?

-Brian


From sraun at fireopal.org  Thu Apr 13 11:52:02 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:52:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
Message-ID: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>

Who's already seen this?

http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/

It seems that D-Link has hard-coded a list of Stratum 1 time-servers
into their consumer devices, and they are not admitting any
responsibility for mis-use.  There are some very unhappy system
administrators right now, and some talk of a boycott.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From erikerik at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:10:58 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:10:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
In-Reply-To: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0604131010r6ec62eb0pefe528c70133bef0@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/13/06, Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> wrote:
> Who's already seen this?
>
> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/
>
> It seems that D-Link has hard-coded a list of Stratum 1 time-servers
> into their consumer devices, and they are not admitting any
> responsibility for mis-use.  There are some very unhappy system
> administrators right now, and some talk of a boycott.

Saw it last week...came across Digg I believe.  Shame on D-Link for
this.  I've always thought that D-Link made both shoddy hardware and
software so I've avoided purchasing their gear.  Now I have another
reason to avoid them like the plague.


From j at packetgod.com  Thu Apr 13 12:54:22 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0604131010r6ec62eb0pefe528c70133bef0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
	<fc40260f0604131010r6ec62eb0pefe528c70133bef0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443E904E.8040908@packetgod.com>

I think the standard should be any hardcoded ntp (or DNS or whatever) 
sources should be ones you own.  Like in Ubuntu that ships with the 
Ubuntu NTP servers as the default.

Just makes sense.  How hard is it for a big company like D-link to setup 
a permanent stratum 2 NTP box out there?

--j

Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 4/13/06, Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> wrote:
>   
>> Who's already seen this?
>>
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/
>>
>> It seems that D-Link has hard-coded a list of Stratum 1 time-servers
>> into their consumer devices, and they are not admitting any
>> responsibility for mis-use.  There are some very unhappy system
>> administrators right now, and some talk of a boycott.
>>     
>
> Saw it last week...came across Digg I believe.  Shame on D-Link for
> this.  I've always thought that D-Link made both shoddy hardware and
> software so I've avoided purchasing their gear.  Now I have another
> reason to avoid them like the plague.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   




From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Apr 13 13:37:35 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:37:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
In-Reply-To: <443E904E.8040908@packetgod.com>
References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
	<fc40260f0604131010r6ec62eb0pefe528c70133bef0@mail.gmail.com>
	<443E904E.8040908@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604131337280.14563@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, J Cruit wrote:
> I think the standard should be any hardcoded ntp (or DNS or whatever) 
> sources should be ones you own.  Like in Ubuntu that ships with the 
> Ubuntu NTP servers as the default.
>
> Just makes sense.  How hard is it for a big company like D-link to setup 
> a permanent stratum 2 NTP box out there?

Or just use 'pool.ntp.org'.

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:46:01 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:46:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604131337280.14563@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
	<fc40260f0604131010r6ec62eb0pefe528c70133bef0@mail.gmail.com>
	<443E904E.8040908@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0604131337280.14563@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0604131146o6b6e88f8qfb2950e47aee5d4e@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/13/06, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
>
> Or just use 'pool.ntp.org'.

Exactly!  It really bugs me when a company doesn't do its homework and
bad things like this end up happening.

--
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 16:00:29 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:00:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ipsec-tools question
Message-ID: <1469cda20604131400k44182ecaw993a40c947249c1@mail.gmail.com>

is anyone in here versed in the art of ipsec-tools?

i have a tunnel mode vpn (manual keying) set up between two slackware
machines in a test setup.

When I ping to the LAN interface of the remote peer from the LAN
interface of the local peer the tunnel is used and things work fine.

When i try to ping the LAN interface of the remote peer from a machine
on the local network the packets appear to get dropped by the local
gateway.

If I ping from the LAN interface of the remote peer to the client on
the local LAN the packets traverse the tunnel and the local client
responds, but it's reply packets are dropped by the local gateway.

It seems to me that there is some sort of forwarding/routing problem,
but i can't for the life of me find it. ip_forward is turned on, the
iptables chains are all ACCEPT. Regular routing appears to work fine,
from the local client i am able to ping the external interface of the
remote peer, and before i set up the ipsec policies i was able to ping
from lan to lan.

I put together a quick diagram (yes it is visio) of the setup along
with the setkey configurations for both peers at
http://images.blissfulidiot.com/ipsec.jpg

If anyone has a though, I'd love to hear it.

-Tom


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Thu Apr 13 16:28:27 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:28:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse
In-Reply-To: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20060413212827.GA9600@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 11:52:02AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote:
> Who's already seen this?
> 
> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/
> 
> It seems that D-Link has hard-coded a list of Stratum 1 time-servers
> into their consumer devices, and they are not admitting any
> responsibility for mis-use.  There are some very unhappy system
> administrators right now, and some talk of a boycott.

I actually logged a support call with DLink about this.  They closed it
with: "The matter has been resolved with the complainant."

Poul-Henning's response to my note about this:

Well, we're talking again, but "resolved" is probably a strong word
to use.

In my opinion, DLink doesn't understand how to play nicely on the
Internet.  Why would I want to buy products from somebody who doesn't
have a clue?

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From austad at signal15.com  Fri Apr 14 03:19:26 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:19:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How to decrease TCP session timeout??
Message-ID: <83960EA4-4586-4AD0-8B63-8B08C9F68E17@signal15.com>

A friend of mine, also a member of this list, is in Iraq and obtained  
a satellite connection.  He's providing wireless connectivity for the  
people on the base, and is using an iDirect Netmodem II satellite  
modem.  Unfortunately, this device has a 1024 session limit, and if  
this limit is exceeded, the thing crashes.  It's a known issue, and  
iDirect has not fixed it yet.

Behind this thing, he's got a linux firewall doing NAT for everyone  
behind it.  He's blocking P2P, and other things that take up massive  
amounts of sessions, but he's got quite a few HTTP sessions that just  
hang open doing nothing.  Is there a way to force the linux box to  
close these sessions down after like 15 seconds of no activity and  
send a RST to the remote host?

~jay


From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Fri Apr 14 15:46:48 2006
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:46:48 -0000
Subject: [tclug-list] ipsec-tools question
In-Reply-To: <1469cda20604131400k44182ecaw993a40c947249c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <twig.1145047607.31674@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

Is the tunnel box and the gateway the same machine? If not does the
gateway know to route the remote ip range to the tunnel box?

Joseph



From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 15 02:07:18 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:07:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ipsec-tools question
In-Reply-To: <twig.1145047607.31674@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <1469cda20604131400k44182ecaw993a40c947249c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<twig.1145047607.31674@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1469cda20604150007k404a8b84pd4cc03af3c8bb010@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, the tunnels are generated at the gateways, there is no NAT going
on in the setup, and each gateway has a route set for the remote LAN
pointing at the opposite gateway.

On 4/14/06, Joseph Key <jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Is the tunnel box and the gateway the same machine? If not does the
> gateway know to route the remote ip range to the tunnel box?


From rclark at lakesplus.com  Sat Apr 15 07:05:22 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:05:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Suse - YAST - Raid install
Message-ID: <1145102722.24940.6.camel@iwill>

Ok ... I am building a new machine and I want to set up RAID right at
the start.  I am installing SUSE 9 because one of the software packages
I need to use is supported on SUSE 9 ... so I can not change to another
distro - not an option.

I have 4 - 250 GB Maxtor SATA drives hooked up in the system.  I would
either like Raid 0+1 or Raid 5 ... basically for redundancy in the event
one of the drives fails.

I am to the point in YAST where I need to partition the hard drives.  I
am fine with the idea that I can put /swap on one of the drives and not
have it part of the RAID system.

But ... I would like to be able have /boot and / all part of the raid
system .. where all of the important stuff is at ... I have a feeling
though that /boot might not be able to be part of the raid setup?  

So ... anyone out there been through this before and have some
suggestions for me?  I guess it would be nice to have LVM set up and
RAID ... but I keep trying to set it up ... but to no avail.  I have
looked at the raid how-tos ... but most of those seem for after the fact
and not for you while you are setting up and installing the OS for the
first time.

Thoughts?  Suggestions?  

Randy



From sac at cheesecake.org  Sat Apr 15 08:27:37 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:27:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Suse - YAST - Raid install
In-Reply-To: <1145102722.24940.6.camel@iwill>
References: <1145102722.24940.6.camel@iwill>
Message-ID: <20060415132737.GA31883@cheesecake.org>

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 at 07.05.22 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> I have 4 - 250 GB Maxtor SATA drives hooked up in the system.  I would
> either like Raid 0+1 or Raid 5 ... basically for redundancy in the event
> one of the drives fails.

raid 5 is valid, but unless you have a specific performance requirement
that 0+1 meets, i'd probably choose raid 6 over 0+1.

> But ... I would like to be able have /boot and / all part of the raid
> system .. where all of the important stuff is at ... I have a feeling
> though that /boot might not be able to be part of the raid setup?  

you cannot boot from raid5, but you can boot from raid1.  if you want
to boot from raid1, to be able to boot from the second disk if the first
fails, you will need to manually install a bootloader on the second disk;
SuSE's installer will not do this for you.

one thing i'll point out is that if you decide to go non-redundant for
your /boot filesystem, i would put it on a degraded raid1 array so that
if you ever change your mind and want to add another disk to make it
redundant, you can just plop it into the pre-existing degraded raid1.
(but the SuSE installer won't create degraded arrays, so you'll have to
go to the command line and do it manually.)

> So ... anyone out there been through this before and have some
> suggestions for me?  I guess it would be nice to have LVM set up and
> RAID ... but I keep trying to set it up ... but to no avail.  I have
> looked at the raid how-tos ... but most of those seem for after the fact
> and not for you while you are setting up and installing the OS for the
> first time.

what exactly is your problem?  i have done this in SuSE plenty of times.
just make the raid first, then go do the LVM configuration.

i think some of the SuSE versions (9.3 has no problem, but maybe earlier?
i don't remember for certain) may not have been totally co-operative
with adding an md device to an LV, but i think if you make the raid
then do a pvcreate on it then maybe a pvscan or reboot or something,
that SuSE will see it as a PV.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Apr 18 16:30:47 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:30:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604182130.k3ILUlo24195@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Dell P990 19 inch Flat Screen CRT Monitor

Monitor in excellent condition. $50.00 Purchased in 1999, and always operated with low intensity. Excellent Color Fidelity. Minnetonka



Seller Email address: rholmes6 at mn dot rr dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Apr 18 16:31:26 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:31:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604182131.k3ILVQX24616@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: SCSI items, P3 SMP barebone

Spring cleaning sale - can negotiate, but items were priced from ebay and various vendors, and I think they're reasonable. The Tyan motherboard was generally stable but sometimes locked up in Linux - I never figured out why.

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Seller Email address: ntraxler at mn dot rr dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From dalan at visi.com  Tue Apr 18 17:29:12 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:29:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
Message-ID: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>


Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
distribution?

I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware that it
may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can run on?

Thanks
Don S.


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Tue Apr 18 17:51:10 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:51:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
Message-ID: <2006041822511015875f2dd5@mail.smumn.edu>


>
>Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
>distribution?
>
As far as I am concerned, there are NO system requirements for Gentoo!

wget: 

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-mips.xml?part=1&chap=2

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mips-requirements.xml

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Tue Apr 18 19:29:13 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:29:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
References: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <1145406553.31064.259376051@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I managed to install Gentoo on a system with a 486sx processor and 32M
RAM and 1.4G harddrive.
What you can do is plug the harddrive into a newer system and do the
install so that the installation goes quickly. You can then plug the
harddrive into the old system.
I tried using the new install program that is on the 2006.0 release but
I had no luck with it on my systems. I recommend using the 2005.1
release and downloading the latest stages and portage snapshots instead
of copying them from the cd.



----- Original message -----
From: dalan at visi.com
To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:29:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements


Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
distribution?

I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware
that it
may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can
run on?

Thanks
Don S.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jsievert at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 21:00:35 2006
From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:00:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <1145406553.31064.259376051@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
	<1145406553.31064.259376051@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <6cfb19470604181900t43df7e67sf8726242a76098c8@mail.gmail.com>

Distcc was always my friend.
http://distcc.samba.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml

On 4/18/06, Isaac Atilano <aristophrenic at warpmail.net> wrote:
>
> I managed to install Gentoo on a system with a 486sx processor and 32M
> RAM and 1.4G harddrive.
> What you can do is plug the harddrive into a newer system and do the
> install so that the installation goes quickly. You can then plug the
> harddrive into the old system.
> I tried using the new install program that is on the 2006.0 release but
> I had no luck with it on my systems. I recommend using the 2005.1
> release and downloading the latest stages and portage snapshots instead
> of copying them from the cd.
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: dalan at visi.com
> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:29:12 -0500
> Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
>
>
> Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
> distribution?
>
> I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware
> that it
> may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
> compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can
> run on?
>
> Thanks
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From dalan at visi.com  Tue Apr 18 21:35:05 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:35:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470604181900t43df7e67sf8726242a76098c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAIKggLJo7vEeQtvSmspLG/MKAAAAQAAAAY+it3fFCZkW0Q/jxkB5MyQEAAAAA@visi.com>

Thanks for all the great ideas guys.
 
What I have is a dual Pentium pro 200mhz system with 512m of memory and
a 3 gig drive. Currently it is running NT4.0 server and I am just tired
of re-booting the system all the time, go figure. The motherboard has a
built in adaptec scsi controller and I'd like to continue to use it as
my server system. So in reality I could use just about any linux os and
just not put the GUI on it. I figured since it spends most of its time
sitting there, why not let it compile the operating system. 
 
 
Don Sparish
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jason Sievert
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:01 PM
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
 
Distcc was always my friend.
http://distcc.samba.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
On 4/18/06, Isaac Atilano <aristophrenic at warpmail.net> wrote:
I managed to install Gentoo on a system with a 486sx processor and 32M
RAM and 1.4G harddrive.
What you can do is plug the harddrive into a newer system and do the
install so that the installation goes quickly. You can then plug the 
harddrive into the old system.
I tried using the new install program that is on the 2006.0 release but
I had no luck with it on my systems. I recommend using the 2005.1
release and downloading the latest stages and portage snapshots instead 
of copying them from the cd.



----- Original message -----
From: dalan at visi.com
To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" < tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:29:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements


Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux 
distribution?

I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware
that it
may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can 
run on?

Thanks
Don S.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From itwontdie at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 04:29:20 2006
From: itwontdie at gmail.com (chi)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:29:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <79758ac80604190228w255bef6dk5e23af0af6ecd88c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
	<1145406553.31064.259376051@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<79758ac80604190228w255bef6dk5e23af0af6ecd88c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79758ac80604190229p6fbdce6ct56e332b0498d1835@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chi <itwontdie at gmail.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2006 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
To: Isaac Atilano <aristophrenic at warpmail.net>


No need to use the 2005.1 release, just get the Gentoo 2006.0 Minimal
CD/InstallCD its basically the same as 2005.1 only updated. IMHO there
really is no need for a new GUI installer for Gentoo. People have many
distributions to choose from if they need a GUI to install from they
could easily use Ubuntu or some such distro.


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Apr 19 08:39:40 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:39:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 400 bad request error
Message-ID: <1145453981.2761.14.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I am having problems getting yum and wget to work properly. I get the
following error with either one.

Connecting to download.fedora.redhat.com|66.187.224.20|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad Request
08:23:01 ERROR 400: Bad Request.

We are using squid with authentication on an IPCop box. which
is most likely causing the problem, but I am not sure what to put in the
config to fix it.



I have added the following to yum.conf, but that has not helped.

http_proxy=http://user:pass at 10.100.100.130:8080




From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 10:21:57 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:21:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 400 bad request error
In-Reply-To: <1145453981.2761.14.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1145453981.2761.14.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0604190821y6b88c0dqd19e275c9153c3af@mail.gmail.com>

You may try adding HTTP_PROXY as an environmental variable. I've had
to do this for our proxy for updated to a RHE box, but I only had to
point to the proxy, not enter authentication information, so I don't
know if this will work for you or not.


Scott

On 4/19/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I am having problems getting yum and wget to work properly. I get the
> following error with either one.
>
> Connecting to download.fedora.redhat.com|66.187.224.20|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad Request
> 08:23:01 ERROR 400: Bad Request.
>
> We are using squid with authentication on an IPCop box. which
> is most likely causing the problem, but I am not sure what to put in the
> config to fix it.
>
>
>
> I have added the following to yum.conf, but that has not helped.
>
> http_proxy=http://user:pass at 10.100.100.130:8080
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


--
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Wed Apr 19 10:40:12 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:40:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAIKggLJo7vEeQtvSmspLG/MKAAAAQAAAAY+it3fFCZkW0Q/jxkB5MyQEAAAAA@visi.com>
References: <6cfb19470604181900t43df7e67sf8726242a76098c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAIKggLJo7vEeQtvSmspLG/MKAAAAQAAAAY+it3fFCZkW0Q/jxkB5MyQEAAAAA@visi.com>
Message-ID: <20060419104012.A7203@ham.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:35:05PM -0500, Don wrote:
> Thanks for all the great ideas guys.
>  
> What I have is a dual Pentium pro 200mhz system with 512m of memory and
> a 3 gig drive. Currently it is running NT4.0 server and I am just tired
> of re-booting the system all the time, go figure. The motherboard has a
> built in adaptec scsi controller and I'd like to continue to use it as
> my server system. So in reality I could use just about any linux os and
> just not put the GUI on it. I figured since it spends most of its time
> sitting there, why not let it compile the operating system. 

Wow, that is a decent box!  There's no reason that you can't run
X on it.  You might not want to use the latest Gnome or KDE on
it, but any light weight window manager will run great.  With
that much memory, you should be able to run just about any GUI
app as well, though OpenOffice would be a bit slow.

Anyway, if you don't need a gui, then obviously leaving it off
makes sense.  But your hardware certainly shouldn't dissuade you
from having one.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Apr 19 10:58:16 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:58:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 400 bad request error
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0604190821y6b88c0dqd19e275c9153c3af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1145453981.2761.14.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<34b4c76d0604190821y6b88c0dqd19e275c9153c3af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060419155816.GG30115@iucha.net>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, G. Scott Walters wrote:
> You may try adding HTTP_PROXY as an environmental variable.

This should be http_proxy (lowercase).

florin

-- 
There was a typo, but on the wrong page.
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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Apr 19 11:04:46 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:04:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 400 bad request error
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0604190821y6b88c0dqd19e275c9153c3af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1145453981.2761.14.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<34b4c76d0604190821y6b88c0dqd19e275c9153c3af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1145462686.3775.8.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 10:21 -0500, G. Scott Walters wrote:
> You may try adding HTTP_PROXY as an environmental variable. I've had
> to do this for our proxy for updated to a RHE box, but I only had to
> point to the proxy, not enter authentication information, so I don't
> know if this will work for you or not.

It didn't work:(


I tried both
 HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy.example.com:8080
 HTTP_PROXY_AUTH=basic:*:<user>:<pwd>

I failed to mention the first error I posted was from wget.

Yum update spews out:

http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
Trying other mirror.
Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: update
failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.


There are a lot of posts on the net about it, but I have not found a fix that pertains to my setup.


 



From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 20 08:39:55 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:39:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
Message-ID: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I know this is off topic, but I need to import a few hundred names into
a program. I need a formula in Calc that will take the first three
letters of all cells in column 4, and the first two letters of all cells
in column 2, and produce the output in a third column.







From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Apr 20 08:49:15 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:49:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0604200842390.19964@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:

> I know this is off topic, but I need to import a few hundred names into 
> a program. I need a formula in Calc that will take the first three 
> letters of all cells in column 4, and the first two letters of all cells 
> in column 2, and produce the output in a third column.


It really *must* be in Calc?  If so, I don't know the answer, but if you 
can make a tab-delimited text file and process that, this ought to work:

perl -pe 's/^([^\t]+[\t])(..)([^\t]+[\t]){2}(...)/$4$2/' infile > outfile

But that assumes that there are always more than two letters in column 2 
and more than four letters in column 4.  It would not be very hard to make 
it more general if necessary.

Mike


From tmarble at info9.net  Thu Apr 20 08:59:14 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:59:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <444793B2.2050804@info9.net>

Raymond Norton wrote:
> I know this is off topic, but I need to import a few hundred names into
> a program. I need a formula in Calc that will take the first three
> letters of all cells in column 4, and the first two letters of all cells
> in column 2, and produce the output in a third column.

I certainly would consider OOo (and ODF) on topic.

I don't have a great reference on the macro language... but I have
several friends that have driven OOo by remote control via
the UNO bridge [1] in Python or Java.

HTH,

--Tom

[1] http://udk.openoffice.org/
    http://weblogs.java.net/blog/tchangu/archive/2005/12/open_office_jav_1.html


From rwh at visi.com  Thu Apr 20 09:07:14 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:07:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0604200842390.19964@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0604200842390.19964@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <44479592.2050801@visi.com>

This does it in Excel so it should work in Open Office, although that 
doesn't mean that there isn't a better way to do it in OO. You'll need 
to patch up the starting rows.

=CONCATENATE(LEFT(D1,4),LEFT(B1,2))

--rick

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:
> 
>> I know this is off topic, but I need to import a few hundred names into 
>> a program. I need a formula in Calc that will take the first three 
>> letters of all cells in column 4, and the first two letters of all cells 
>> in column 2, and produce the output in a third column.
> 
> 
> It really *must* be in Calc?  If so, I don't know the answer, but if you 
> can make a tab-delimited text file and process that, this ought to work:
> 
> perl -pe 's/^([^\t]+[\t])(..)([^\t]+[\t]){2}(...)/$4$2/' infile > outfile
> 
> But that assumes that there are always more than two letters in column 2 
> and more than four letters in column 4.  It would not be very hard to make 
> it more general if necessary.
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 20 09:28:42 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:28:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <44479592.2050801@visi.com>
References: <1145540395.3775.42.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0604200842390.19964@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44479592.2050801@visi.com>
Message-ID: <1145543322.3775.59.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 09:07 -0500, Richard Hoffbeck wrote:
> This does it in Excel so it should work in Open Office, although that 
> doesn't mean that there isn't a better way to do it in OO. You'll need 
> to patch up the starting rows.
> 
> =CONCATENATE(LEFT(D1,4),LEFT(B1,2))

OK, I got this to work for a single record
CONCATENATE(LEFT(D1;4) ;LEFT(B1;2)).

How do I apply this formula to the whole column?



From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 20 10:12:28 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:12:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <20060420145920.8065.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060420145920.8065.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1145545949.3775.75.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 07:59 -0700, Damien DeZurik wrote:
> Raymond,
> 
> In calc, you should be able to grab and drag the small black dot/square at the bottom right corner of that cell that already has the formula (on mine, the cursor turns into a crosshair oOo v1.1.2).  Now drag that down as far as you need to go to repeat the formula.  A dialog pops up, select "formulas" under "Series Type".  That should repeat that cells fourmula down for all the other rows.
> 
> Damien

I was having an aflac moment. Fill down works too.

Thanks much everyone. I have what I need.



From jsievert at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 14:48:46 2006
From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:48:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - Need local fan shop
Message-ID: <6cfb19470604201248k405f566cq55cadc6a46cb4e00@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys, I got a odd request.  I need a local shop that can provide about a
100 40mm case fans.  See, that is a odd one.

Thanks for just opening this!!
Jason
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From dalan at visi.com  Thu Apr 20 15:06:09 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:06:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - Need local fan shop
In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470604201248k405f566cq55cadc6a46cb4e00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfb19470604201248k405f566cq55cadc6a46cb4e00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1145563569.4447e9b1733bf@my.visi.com>

Have you tried Que Computer, they deal in used equipment.  Here is thier phone
number (612) 623-9144

Don
Quoting Jason Sievert <jsievert at gmail.com>:

> Hey guys, I got a odd request.  I need a local shop that can provide about a
> 100 40mm case fans.  See, that is a odd one.
>
> Thanks for just opening this!!
> Jason
>





From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 20 15:16:28 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:16:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] need to automate copying apple folders to linux box
Message-ID: <1145564188.3775.111.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

We do backups across our WAN for a number of school districts. It has
worked very well using Bacula. I have one odd ball school that is still
using OS 9, OS X would not be a problem. I had to set up a local Fedora
box at the school running Netatalk, so the two boxes can communicate.
This works fine, and the Apple server sees the Linux box as another
Apple, but I need a way to automate copying files from the OS 9 box to
the Linux box, which Bacula will backup each night.

I have zero experience with apple script, so not sure what to do here.






From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 15:32:49 2006
From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How to decrease TCP session timeout??
In-Reply-To: <83960EA4-4586-4AD0-8B63-8B08C9F68E17@signal15.com>
References: <83960EA4-4586-4AD0-8B63-8B08C9F68E17@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <be0800f80604201332h5de6d668u4e2ad8d9c8c7a062@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure if it would be what you want, but what about piping
everything through squid?

It would seem to me that you would have much more control over the
HTTP, HTTPS and FTP sessions and you can also then block any traffic
that does not use the proxy.

On 4/14/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine, also a member of this list, is in Iraq and obtained
> a satellite connection.  He's providing wireless connectivity for the
> people on the base, and is using an iDirect Netmodem II satellite
> modem.  Unfortunately, this device has a 1024 session limit, and if
> this limit is exceeded, the thing crashes.  It's a known issue, and
> iDirect has not fixed it yet.
>
> Behind this thing, he's got a linux firewall doing NAT for everyone
> behind it.  He's blocking P2P, and other things that take up massive
> amounts of sessions, but he's got quite a few HTTP sessions that just
> hang open doing nothing.  Is there a way to force the linux box to
> close these sessions down after like 15 seconds of no activity and
> send a RST to the remote host?
>
> ~jay
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


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From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 15:36:11 2006
From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
References: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <be0800f80604201336t8b51b7dm640782b0b34c1dda@mail.gmail.com>

In my experience, the main limitation is disk space when working with
Gentoo. The portage tree is really big and the install packages are
all kept around by default.

On 4/18/06, dalan at visi.com <dalan at visi.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
> distribution?
>
> I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware that it
> may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
> compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can run on?
>
> Thanks
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


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From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Thu Apr 20 16:05:21 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:05:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements
In-Reply-To: <be0800f80604201336t8b51b7dm640782b0b34c1dda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1145399352.444568380b342@my.visi.com>
	<be0800f80604201336t8b51b7dm640782b0b34c1dda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1145567121.17529.259553840@webmail.messagingengine.com>

You really don't to keep the packages on your system. In fact you don't
need to have anything in /usr/portage/distfiles not even during
installation as long as you have an internet connection.
There is a limitation on the cpu, though. The portage scripts are
written in python and are very cpu intensive. If your processor is too
slow (e.g. 33MHz) then portage syncs and package installations will time
out on their internet connections when connecting to the default
servers. There are ways around this but unless someone actually wants to
do it, I won't get into it.



----- Original message -----
From: "Loren H. Burlingame" <there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com>
To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gentoo system requirements

In my experience, the main limitation is disk space when working with
Gentoo. The portage tree is really big and the install packages are
all kept around by default.

On 4/18/06, dalan at visi.com <dalan at visi.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can find system requirements for Gentoo Linux
> distribution?
>
> I'd like to install it on a very old system I have. I am already aware that it
> may take several days for it to compile on the system but other than the
> compile time is there any limitation on as to a minimum system it can run on?
>
> Thanks
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


--
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GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F
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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 09:59:20 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc
In-Reply-To: <1145543322.3775.59.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20060420145920.8065.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Raymond,

In calc, you should be able to grab and drag the small black dot/square at the bottom right corner of that cell that already has the formula (on mine, the cursor turns into a crosshair oOo v1.1.2).  Now drag that down as far as you need to go to repeat the formula.  A dialog pops up, select "formulas" under "Series Type".  That should repeat that cells fourmula down for all the other rows.

Damien


----- Original Message ----
From: Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org>
To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Need formula for Open Office Calc

On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 09:07 -0500, Richard Hoffbeck wrote:
> This does it in Excel so it should work in Open Office, although that 
> doesn't mean that there isn't a better way to do it in OO. You'll need 
> to patch up the starting rows.
> 
> =CONCATENATE(LEFT(D1,4),LEFT(B1,2))

OK, I got this to work for a single record
CONCATENATE(LEFT(D1;4) ;LEFT(B1;2)).

How do I apply this formula to the whole column?


_______________________________________________
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From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Fri Apr 21 15:37:59 2006
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:37:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <444942A7.5080505@plauditdesign.com>

Also:

I didnt read every single reply to your email, but I didn't see anyone 
ask you yet. How may drives are in the machine (cdroms, p-ata, sata, 
everything) and how fast are they. Also what size of power supply do you 
have? I've seen strange issues with failing or strained power supplies 
as well. If you have a powerful processor and lots of drives, you could 
be experiencing these issues.

You might want to try replacing the power supply with a spare one, and 
unplugging drives you aren't using to make sure it's not the power supply.

-matt

jim scott wrote:
> I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I 
> installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, 
> my system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and 
> leaves me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my 
> SATA drive.
>
> I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked 
> the power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them 
> both to be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? 
> Any other potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks 
> for any clues.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Apr 21 15:45:26 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:45:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Filesize limit?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604211544120.5559@Rooster>

Hey guys,

So... I should be able to have files larger than 4 gigs by now, shouldn't 
I?... Especially on a 64bit system?...


-Yaron

--


From florin at iucha.net  Fri Apr 21 16:21:07 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Filesize limit?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604211544120.5559@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604211544120.5559@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20060421212107.GO30115@iucha.net>

On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 03:45:26PM -0500, Yaron wrote:
> So... I should be able to have files larger than 4 gigs by now, shouldn't 
> I?... Especially on a 64bit system?...

Is the application compiled with _LARGEFILE_SOURCE ?

florin

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From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Fri Apr 21 16:35:27 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:35:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Good News - Linux Distributors Unite on Standard
Message-ID: <4449501F.9080909@comcast.net>

*Linux Distributors Unite on Standard
See:
*http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060421/D8H4K0J01.html

Jerry W


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Apr 21 17:17:25 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:17:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Good News - Linux Distributors Unite on Standard
In-Reply-To: <4449501F.9080909@comcast.net>
References: <4449501F.9080909@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604211711160.13948@beer.tclug.org>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Jerry W wrote:
> *Linux Distributors Unite on Standard
> See:
> *http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060421/D8H4K0J01.html

  Throughout reading this article, I kept being reminded of the Linux 
Standards Base.  "Didn't LSB do this years ago?"  Then I got to the ninth 
paragraph, where they first mention LSB by name.
  Just seemed to me that A) they really beat around the bush and B) it 
isn't exactly news.  I did notice the part about LSB 3.1 being the first 
version to cover desktop distros, though.
  They also gloss over Windows' consistency between versions a bit too much 
for my taste.  Maybe it's just because I've been burned by 
incompatibilities before. *shrug*
  Interesting article, though, in that it seems to be aimed toward non-geek 
readers.  (Thanks, Jerry -- I'm not blaming you for posting the link.)

      Jima


From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Fri Apr 21 17:18:20 2006
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:18:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [Fwd:  RAID questions]
Message-ID: <44495A2C.60004@trutwins.homeip.net>

A long time ago I posted on suggestions for setting up a software 
RAID.  After months of planning I finally have things working after a 
late night last night - I just wanted to share my experience with the 
list so maybe someone can avoid the pitfalls I had:

1.) For Debian based (and probably any actually) systems - this 
documentation is the best you are going to get on how to do a remote 
RAID setup from an existing system, without data loss.  I was able to 
do everything via SSH which was great:

http://alioth.debian.org/projects/rootraiddoc

2.) If you use a seperate partition for /tmp - watch out what 
permissions you give it when creating a mount point (/mnt/tmp).

3.) With multiple partitions, be very careful how you use "cp -aux". 
e.g. "cp -aux /boot /mnt/boot" is bad - "cp -aux /boot/* /mnt/boot" is 
good.

4.) If you put swap on RAID, make sure you run mkswap on the raid 
partition and use swapon to initialize it.

5.) My biggest blunder - when you are copying data to your first RAID 
disk, shut down services like MySQL.  I didn't do this and after 
copying data and syncing disks I had corrupt InnoDB tables because 
MySQL (and most db's) don't like it when you make disk copies of data 
files while the server is running.  Thankfully there were nightly 
mysql backups to start a restore from.

Thanks for the help from earlier posts, I can sleep a little better at 
night now.  :)

Josh



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID questions
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:53 -0600
From: Josh Trutwin <josh at trutwins.homeip.net>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org

A while back one of the servers I help out with that a buddy of mine
owns had a catastrophic hard drive failure.  It wasn't a HUGE deal
because we were slowly migrating off to a new server, but there still
was some data loss.

The newer server we're migrating to which I am more active in managing
does not currently have redundant drives.  I do a lot of off-site
backup of important data, but I'm still very nervous about this
situation and trying to push the owner to spend some money on more
hardware.  There isn't a hardware RAID controller so I am suggesting
to the owner of the server to purchase a couple more disks so I can
setup a software RAID solution as I've been reading up on here:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html

Questions:

1.) Does anyone have experiences they can share with setting up a s/w
RAID on an existing system?  (Server is a Dell PowerEdge 1750 running
Debian sid with 2.4.32 - I build the kernel myself - it is currently
co-located which might make remote setup interesting)

2.) We can have a maximum of 3 drives on the SCSI controller.  I am
pushing to get two more drives matching the current drive.  I was
going to use one as a scratch space / archive area and then use the
other to setup a software RAID.  Sound ok or something better?

3.) RAID-1 seems to be the right solution for this kind of setup (only
2 disks, exact same size)

Any other suggestions / war stories are most welcome.

Thanks,

Josh

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Apr 21 18:19:00 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:19:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Good News - Linux Distributors Unite on Standard
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604211711160.13948@beer.tclug.org>
References: <4449501F.9080909@comcast.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0604211711160.13948@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0604211815290.29064@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Jima wrote:

>> *http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060421/D8H4K0J01.html
>
>  Throughout reading this article, I kept being reminded of the Linux
> Standards Base.  "Didn't LSB do this years ago?"  Then I got to the ninth
> paragraph, where they first mention LSB by name.
>  Just seemed to me that A) they really beat around the bush and B) it
> isn't exactly news.  I did notice the part about LSB 3.1 being the first
> version to cover desktop distros, though.

I think that was the news:  Now LSB 3.1 is out and it covers desktop 
distros.  Also, they reported that the new standards-compliant desktops 
are coming soon.

I was glad to see this news.  It was written for people who don't know 
about LSB, obviously, but news agencies have to try to serve the other 
99.9% of the population when possible!  ;-)

Mike


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Sat Apr 22 08:35:14 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:35:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Piano Keyboard software
Message-ID: <101e49ea0604220635p62a04593seec854415e0542d7@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine has a Yamaha PSR-295 keyboard.  She would like to be able
to record songs she plays, or compose and upload the songs to the keyboard.
The software that came with the keyboard (Windows of course), is confusing
for her and she does not like it.  I am checking if anyone has any
recommendations for free software that they like for this purpose.  I am not
a musical person so I do not know the best software to recommend or try out.
Software recommendations can be for any of the following platforms, order of
preference from highest to lowest: Linux (OpenSuSE 10 (i386 or ppc), or
Fedora Core 5 (i386 or ppc)), Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows (if absolutely
necessary).

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

- Joey
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From obelin23 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 22 20:21:13 2006
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:21:13 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] piano keyboard software
Message-ID: <72278d10604221821m7a965eedpe83627b17196c726@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a keyboard player, but I am a musician, and a keyboard player friend
of mine is in the process of setting up Linux to do what you are talking
about.

If I understand this correctly, you are talking about a program that takes
MIDI input from a keyboard, and can both record it, and can turn it into
sheet music.

If that's correct, I think your friend should check into Rosegarden -

http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

And I quote - "Rosegarden is a professional *audio and MIDI sequencer*, *score
editor*, and general-purpose *music composition and editing environment*.
Rosegarden is an easy-to-learn, attractive application that runs on Linux,
ideal for composers, musicians, music students, and small studio or home
recording environments."
It is designed to work with a program named Lilypond (
http://lilypond.org/web/), which is music notation software. The output from
Rosegarden can be sent to Lilypond.

These are both open source, and most of the major distros have a version of
it in their repositories. (The Rosegarden site mentions Debian, Mandriva,
Ubuntu, PCLinux, and RedHat).

Cheers,

Charlie Obert
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 23 14:43:53 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:43:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604231943.k3NJhrP27073@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: 4-way PS2 KVM switch

A 4-way PS2 KVM switch. This is an older phsyical switch box, some systems dont handle this well. Its yours free if you come get it (Coon Rapids or Minneapolis, maybe other locations depending on time of day)

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 23 14:53:29 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:53:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604231953.k3NJrT427730@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: many ISA cards

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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 20:49:17 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:49:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Failing SATA drive?
In-Reply-To: <444942A7.5080505@plauditdesign.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604031703s379bb82t71aecdcc41196d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<444942A7.5080505@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604231849oe9d9893jf9c1b412df1dfec6@mail.gmail.com>

At this point, I'm pretty sure it was just a loose connector. I took
everything apart and put it back together. Since then, I haven't had any
problems with the drive.

Total drives on the machine: 3. One DVD-RW, one SATA, and the new IDE drive.
I've got a 450W power supply -- I figured that would be enough?

On 4/21/06, Matt Dittbenner <mbditt at plauditdesign.com> wrote:
>
> Also:
>
> I didnt read every single reply to your email, but I didn't see anyone ask
> you yet. How may drives are in the machine (cdroms, p-ata, sata, everything)
> and how fast are they. Also what size of power supply do you have? I've seen
> strange issues with failing or strained power supplies as well. If you have
> a powerful processor and lots of drives, you could be experiencing these
> issues.
>
> You might want to try replacing the power supply with a spare one, and
> unplugging drives you aren't using to make sure it's not the power supply.
>
> -matt
>
> jim scott wrote:
>
> I have a four month old SATA HD in my FC 4 system. A few days ago I
> installed an IDE HD that a friend couldn't use any more. Since then, my
> system has been very unstable. The system spontaneously reboots and leaves
> me at a boot up screen with a message saying it can't find my SATA drive.
>
> I changed the bay on my SATA drive during the install, so I checked the
> power and SATA cables. Those both looked good, but I reseated them both to
> be sure. Are there any system messages that I should look for? Any other
> potential traps when adding an IDE HD to a system? Thanks for any clues.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   *WEB*  www.plauditdesign.com <http://www.plaudit.com/>  *PHONE*
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From david.alitz at charter.net  Mon Apr 24 08:35:34 2006
From: david.alitz at charter.net (Dave Alitz)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:35:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Piano Keyboard software
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0604220635p62a04593seec854415e0542d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0604220635p62a04593seec854415e0542d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <444CD426.3010800@charter.net>

I haven't used it with midi (the interfacing protocol); but others I've 
talked with have been happy with rosegarden ( 
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/).  Rosegarden does have a fairly steep 
learning curve and tends to be a bit difficult to configure.

She may be happier with noteedit or lilypond.   Noteedit is a graphical 
music notation tool for KDE that can import and export midi files.  
Lilypond is primarily a music notation program that primarily focused at 
producing high quality sheet music (in dvi, ps, or pdf format), but also 
will create midi files.  Lilypond is more powerful than Noteedit, but 
lacks a graphical interface.  Lilypond uses a plain text script to 
generate music  (much faster for a code monkey, but normal people may 
find it cumbersome.) Noteedit can export to Lilypond.

midi music is by nature complex.  There is a midi howto on tldp.org that 
is fairly thorough -- that may be the best place to start.

Dave Alitz



Joey Rockhold wrote:

> A friend of mine has a Yamaha PSR-295 keyboard.  She would like to be 
> able to record songs she plays, or compose and upload the songs to the 
> keyboard.  The software that came with the keyboard (Windows of 
> course), is confusing for her and she does not like it.  I am checking 
> if anyone has any recommendations for free software that they like for 
> this purpose.  I am not a musical person so I do not know the best 
> software to recommend or try out.
> Software recommendations can be for any of the following platforms, 
> order of preference from highest to lowest: Linux (OpenSuSE 10 (i386 
> or ppc), or Fedora Core 5 (i386 or ppc)), Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows 
> (if absolutely necessary).
>
> Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
>
> - Joey
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Apr 24 17:24:43 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:24:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604242224.k3OMOhn21365@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 2 post rack and misc pc hardware

-2 post chatworth 7' tall telcom/computer rack, located in Eden Prairie....$25

-2 adaptec pci 80mbps raid card aaa-131u2...$10ea 

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-smc easy card 10/100 pci, new in box...$5 

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-Comaq ps2 keyboard..$1 

-floppy drives..$1ea 

-Free ribbon cables, pc tel 56k win modems w/ any purchase 

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-512mb pc2700, 
-64mb EDO, ECC, 72pin dimm, unbuffered 

Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net

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From bhartm at visi.com  Mon Apr 24 18:04:41 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:04:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Piano Keyboard software
In-Reply-To: <444CD426.3010800@charter.net>
References: <101e49ea0604220635p62a04593seec854415e0542d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<444CD426.3010800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <444D5989.90005@visi.com>


I like Rosegarden.  I've been using it for a couple of years on SuSE 9.1 
first, now debian (agnula.org!)  It is deep and could take a while to 
learn.  The MIDI side is not too hard.  The PSR-295 has a USB interface, 
so it ought to be pretty (very) easy to configure with RG.  They have a 
very active mailing list too.  Not having heard the 295's built in 
sounds, I probably shouldn't criticize their craptitude, but RG offers 
the ability to use soft-synths and effects and then output to .wav's.  
The other major FOSS alternative with a gui is MusE.


Dave Alitz wrote:

>I haven't used it with midi (the interfacing protocol); but others I've 
>talked with have been happy with rosegarden ( 
>http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/).  Rosegarden does have a fairly steep 
>learning curve and tends to be a bit difficult to configure.
>
>She may be happier with noteedit or lilypond.   Noteedit is a graphical 
>music notation tool for KDE that can import and export midi files.  
>Lilypond is primarily a music notation program that primarily focused at 
>producing high quality sheet music (in dvi, ps, or pdf format), but also 
>will create midi files.  Lilypond is more powerful than Noteedit, but 
>lacks a graphical interface.  Lilypond uses a plain text script to 
>generate music  (much faster for a code monkey, but normal people may 
>find it cumbersome.) Noteedit can export to Lilypond.
>
>midi music is by nature complex.  There is a midi howto on tldp.org that 
>is fairly thorough -- that may be the best place to start.
>
>Dave Alitz
>
>
>
>Joey Rockhold wrote:
>
>  
>
>>A friend of mine has a Yamaha PSR-295 keyboard.  She would like to be 
>>able to record songs she plays, or compose and upload the songs to the 
>>keyboard.  The software that came with the keyboard (Windows of 
>>course), is confusing for her and she does not like it.  I am checking 
>>if anyone has any recommendations for free software that they like for 
>>this purpose.  I am not a musical person so I do not know the best 
>>software to recommend or try out.
>>Software recommendations can be for any of the following platforms, 
>>order of preference from highest to lowest: Linux (OpenSuSE 10 (i386 
>>or ppc), or Fedora Core 5 (i386 or ppc)), Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows 
>>(if absolutely necessary).
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
>>
>>- Joey
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>  
>


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Apr 25 09:10:28 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:10:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Piano Keyboard software
In-Reply-To: <444D5989.90005@visi.com>
References: <101e49ea0604220635p62a04593seec854415e0542d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<444CD426.3010800@charter.net> <444D5989.90005@visi.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0604250710v6919baafsd1a265293ffa2f11@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for your suggestions.  I will set up RoseGarden for her, and
see how that works.  And if she doesn't like that, I'll try the other
software mentioned.

- Joey

On 4/24/06, Bob Hartmann <bhartm at visi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I like Rosegarden.  I've been using it for a couple of years on SuSE 9.1
> first, now debian (agnula.org!)  It is deep and could take a while to
> learn.  The MIDI side is not too hard.  The PSR-295 has a USB interface,
> so it ought to be pretty (very) easy to configure with RG.  They have a
> very active mailing list too.  Not having heard the 295's built in
> sounds, I probably shouldn't criticize their craptitude, but RG offers
> the ability to use soft-synths and effects and then output to .wav's.
> The other major FOSS alternative with a gui is MusE.
>
>
> Dave Alitz wrote:
>
> >I haven't used it with midi (the interfacing protocol); but others I've
> >talked with have been happy with rosegarden (
> >http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/).  Rosegarden does have a fairly steep
> >learning curve and tends to be a bit difficult to configure.
> >
> >She may be happier with noteedit or lilypond.   Noteedit is a graphical
> >music notation tool for KDE that can import and export midi files.
> >Lilypond is primarily a music notation program that primarily focused at
> >producing high quality sheet music (in dvi, ps, or pdf format), but also
> >will create midi files.  Lilypond is more powerful than Noteedit, but
> >lacks a graphical interface.  Lilypond uses a plain text script to
> >generate music  (much faster for a code monkey, but normal people may
> >find it cumbersome.) Noteedit can export to Lilypond.
> >
> >midi music is by nature complex.  There is a midi howto on tldp.org that
> >is fairly thorough -- that may be the best place to start.
> >
> >Dave Alitz
> >
> >
> >
> >Joey Rockhold wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>A friend of mine has a Yamaha PSR-295 keyboard.  She would like to be
> >>able to record songs she plays, or compose and upload the songs to the
> >>keyboard.  The software that came with the keyboard (Windows of
> >>course), is confusing for her and she does not like it.  I am checking
> >>if anyone has any recommendations for free software that they like for
> >>this purpose.  I am not a musical person so I do not know the best
> >>software to recommend or try out.
> >>Software recommendations can be for any of the following platforms,
> >>order of preference from highest to lowest: Linux (OpenSuSE 10 (i386
> >>or ppc), or Fedora Core 5 (i386 or ppc)), Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows
> >>(if absolutely necessary).
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
> >>
> >>- Joey
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 11:01:37 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:01:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>

This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently. I've got
FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot FC4
and XP on my home computer.

If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see, copy,
and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an MP3
from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.

Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others are
songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4 sees
files copied from Win2k but not XP?
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From florin at iucha.net  Wed Apr 26 11:07:18 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060426160718.GL15937@iucha.net>

On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 11:01:37AM -0500, jim scott wrote:
> This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
> operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently. I've got
> FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot FC4
> and XP on my home computer.
> 
> If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see, copy,
> and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an MP3
> from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.
> 
> Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others are
> songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4 sees
> files copied from Win2k but not XP?

Check for hidden directories on the device.

florin

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From nmarkon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 11:12:47 2006
From: nmarkon at gmail.com (Noah Markon)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:12:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f45d0cb0604260912o3e8823eck9db6c6a801b385f0@mail.gmail.com>

Opps should have sent this to the list..


Is the mp3 player in that special mode.. whats it's called.. MTP or
something along those lines?

It probably automatically uses MTP when you're using XP, but 2k and
FC4 detects it as a regular old usb drive.

On 4/26/06, jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
> operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently. I've got
> FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot FC4
> and XP on my home computer.
>
> If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see, copy,
> and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an MP3
> from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.
>
> Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others are
> songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4 sees
> files copied from Win2k but not XP?
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


From jimdscott at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 11:26:17 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
In-Reply-To: <f45d0cb0604260912o3e8823eck9db6c6a801b385f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f45d0cb0604260912o3e8823eck9db6c6a801b385f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604260926t7f8815c8g8881bad0c91079fd@mail.gmail.com>

I think it is using MTP (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol). Looks like I have a
couple of options:

gphoto: http://www.gphoto.org/
libmtp: http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/
gnomad2: http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/

Seems like gphoto and libmtp are forks from the same code base. gnomad2 is
based on libmtp. Can anyone recommend the gphoto or libmtp forks?

On 4/26/06, Noah Markon <nmarkon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Opps should have sent this to the list..
>
>
> Is the mp3 player in that special mode.. whats it's called.. MTP or
> something along those lines?
>
> It probably automatically uses MTP when you're using XP, but 2k and
> FC4 detects it as a regular old usb drive.
>
> On 4/26/06, jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
> > operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently. I've
> got
> > FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot
> FC4
> > and XP on my home computer.
> >
> > If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see,
> copy,
> > and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an
> MP3
> > from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.
> >
> > Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others
> are
> > songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4
> sees
> > files copied from Win2k but not XP?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
>



--
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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Wed Apr 26 13:32:12 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:32:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Something to make fun of
Message-ID: <2006042618321210706f8904@mail.smumn.edu>

Just had to share this. :-)

Props, paperghost.

[snip]


...are discussed here. It also describes how copying CDs in America will shortly be a more severe offence than rape, robbery, murder and illegal pr0n.

Well done, George Bush. You win again.

Oh, and if you're still wondering about the Craaaaaaaaig Daaaavid connection:

"If you copy Craig David's CD you get ten years, but if you punch him in the face and pummel him into a seven day coma you will only get six. You are more likely to get the respect of the prison population with your six year sentence as well."

[snip]

Here:
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/04/ethics-of-punching-craig-david-in-face.html

Enjoy. ;-)

- ferg


"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Wed Apr 26 13:51:23 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:51:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0604260926t7f8815c8g8881bad0c91079fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f45d0cb0604260912o3e8823eck9db6c6a801b385f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604260926t7f8815c8g8881bad0c91079fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1146077483.23558.260006694@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I'm not all that familiar with MTP but I have a SanDisk sansa and have
been able to use it with XP and Linux. Does the MTP stuff comes as part
as the installation software with the device or is it something that is
automatic in the OS? If it is not automatic then if you don't install
the installation software, XP will still recognize the device as usb
storage. Is there any reason that you actually want to use MTP?


----- Original message -----
From: "jim scott" <jimdscott at gmail.com>
To: "Noah Markon" <nmarkon at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4

I think it is using MTP (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol). Looks like I have
a
couple of options:

gphoto: http://www.gphoto.org/
libmtp: http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/
gnomad2: http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/

Seems like gphoto and libmtp are forks from the same code base. gnomad2
is
based on libmtp. Can anyone recommend the gphoto or libmtp forks?

On 4/26/06, Noah Markon <nmarkon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Opps should have sent this to the list..
>
>
> Is the mp3 player in that special mode.. whats it's called.. MTP or
> something along those lines?
>
> It probably automatically uses MTP when you're using XP, but 2k and
> FC4 detects it as a regular old usb drive.
>
> On 4/26/06, jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
> > operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently. I've
> got
> > FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot
> FC4
> > and XP on my home computer.
> >
> > If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see,
> copy,
> > and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an
> MP3
> > from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.
> >
> > Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others
> are
> > songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4
> sees
> > files copied from Win2k but not XP?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
>



--
http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com
Your source. For everything. Really.


From jimdscott at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 14:17:04 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:17:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
In-Reply-To: <1146077483.23558.260006694@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0604260901m14cdbb40ma6ace8c802e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f45d0cb0604260912o3e8823eck9db6c6a801b385f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2c8c3a0604260926t7f8815c8g8881bad0c91079fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1146077483.23558.260006694@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0604261217r5c168c57l48b755247df7f7b5@mail.gmail.com>

Now that you mention it, Isaac, I don't think there is a reason to. The
default setting on the device is "automatic", so XP chooses MTP instead of
MSC. I should be able to change the setting to MSC (
http://service.real.com/rhapsody/support.html?section=SansaRTG) and not
worry about the libmtp driver.



On 4/26/06, Isaac Atilano <aristophrenic at warpmail.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not all that familiar with MTP but I have a SanDisk sansa and have
> been able to use it with XP and Linux. Does the MTP stuff comes as part
> as the installation software with the device or is it something that is
> automatic in the OS? If it is not automatic then if you don't install
> the installation software, XP will still recognize the device as usb
> storage. Is there any reason that you actually want to use MTP?
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "jim scott" <jimdscott at gmail.com>
> To: "Noah Markon" <nmarkon at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:26:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] (OT) USB mass storage and DRM and FC4
>
> I think it is using MTP (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol). Looks like I have
> a
> couple of options:
>
> gphoto: http://www.gphoto.org/
> libmtp: http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/
> gnomad2: http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/
>
> Seems like gphoto and libmtp are forks from the same code base. gnomad2
> is
> based on libmtp. Can anyone recommend the gphoto or libmtp forks?
>
> On 4/26/06, Noah Markon <nmarkon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Opps should have sent this to the list..
> >
> >
> > Is the mp3 player in that special mode.. whats it's called.. MTP or
> > something along those lines?
> >
> > It probably automatically uses MTP when you're using XP, but 2k and
> > FC4 detects it as a regular old usb drive.
> >
> > On 4/26/06, jim scott <jimdscott at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is slightly off topic, but I'm trying to understand why certain
> > > operating systems control my SanDisk Sansa mp3 player differently.
> I've
> > got
> > > FC4, Windows 2000, and XP. Windows 2K is my work computer. I dual boot
> > FC4
> > > and XP on my home computer.
> > >
> > > If I copy an MP3 from FC4 or Windows 2000 to the player, I can see,
> > copy,
> > > and delete the file in FC4. I can't see the files in XP. If I copy an
> > MP3
> > > from XP to the player, I can't see the files in FC4.
> > >
> > > Some of the music files are MP3s ripped from my CD collection. Others
> > are
> > > songs purchased from eMusic, iTunes, or Rhapsody. Anyone know why FC4
> > sees
> > > files copied from Win2k but not XP?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com
> Your source. For everything. Really.
>



--
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From sac at cheesecake.org  Wed Apr 26 21:29:52 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Local RAM retailers
Message-ID: <20060427022952.GA14826@cheesecake.org>

I'd like to buy some more memory for one of my machines, specifically,

256MB DDR PC3200 CL=3 UNBUFFERED ECC DDR400 2.6V 32Meg x 72 

or maybe the 512MB variety instead.  Any recommendations as to where in
town I could accomplish this?

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Wed Apr 26 23:27:12 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:27:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Local RAM retailers
In-Reply-To: <20060427022952.GA14826@cheesecake.org>
References: <20060427022952.GA14826@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <200604262327.12993.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 21:29, Sidney Cammeresi <sac at cheesecake.org> sent a 
missive stating: 
> I'd like to buy some more memory for one of my machines, specifically,
>
> 256MB DDR PC3200 CL=3 UNBUFFERED ECC DDR400 2.6V 32Meg x 72
>
> or maybe the 512MB variety instead.  Any recommendations as to where in
> town I could accomplish this?

I've always liked Tran Micro or General NanoSystems on Univeristy near the U 
campus. Tran is my preferred.

Of course, you could always just hop on newegg.com.

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 27 13:09:34 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:09:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
Message-ID: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I am considering selling some boxes set up for a small business that
will run a web site, MTA, spam filtering, and content filtering. I have
done some reading on GNU and GPL, and it seems I am in compliance, if I
am not offering the software itself for sale, and all code modification
is made available. 

Are there other things I need to consider before moving ahead with the
idea?

Raymond



From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu Apr 27 14:38:03 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:38:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
In-Reply-To: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20060427193802.GA11636@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:09:34PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I am considering selling some boxes set up for a small business that
> will run a web site, MTA, spam filtering, and content filtering. I
> have done some reading on GNU and GPL, and it seems I am in
> compliance, if I am not offering the software itself for sale, and all
> code modification is made available. 

It is a common misconception that it violates the terms of the GPL to
sell GPL'ed code.  It is totally within the terms of the license to sell
GPL'ed code.  If you are not altering the GPL'ed code (and it sounds
like you aren't), you have nothing to worry about.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

> Are there other things I need to consider before moving ahead with the
> idea?

Probably.  :-)

-- 
trammell at el-swifto.com  9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58  FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5
Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG)      Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Thu Apr 27 16:34:04 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:34:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
Message-ID: <2006042721340418706fc351@mail.smumn.edu>


>Are there other things I need to consider before moving ahead with the
>idea?
>
>Raymond

A side from reading the license requirements on 

http://www.opensource.org

I demand that you pay the list 15% to the people who help you solve problems were you are making money!

~Dave

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From admin at lctn.org  Thu Apr 27 16:54:14 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:54:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
In-Reply-To: <2006042721340418706fc351@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <2006042721340418706fc351@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <53298.204.212.34.10.1146174854.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I demand that you pay the list 15% to the people who help you solve
> problems were you are making money!
>
> ~Dave



Looks like the people on the list will be very wealthy.




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Apr 27 17:15:38 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
In-Reply-To: <20060427193802.GA11636@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20060427193802.GA11636@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0604271713490.1668@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, John J. Trammell wrote:

> It is a common misconception that it violates the terms of the GPL to 
> sell GPL'ed code.  It is totally within the terms of the license to sell 
> GPL'ed code.  If you are not altering the GPL'ed code (and it sounds 
> like you aren't), you have nothing to worry about.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

If you are altering the GPL'd code, you still have nothing to worry about 
so long as you are sharing the code along with the binaries and your 
edited code is also licensed under the GPL.

Mike


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Thu Apr 27 17:29:43 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:29:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
Message-ID: <2006042722294357706fc4df@mail.smumn.edu>

I don't think this is what he really meant to ask. I found this site offering ideas on open source solutions:

http://www.teledyn.com/help/linux/Consulting/expo2000/consulting.htm


>If you are altering the GPL'd code, you still have nothing to worry about
>so long as you are sharing the code along with the binaries and your
>edited code is also licensed under the GPL.
>
>Mike
>


"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From josh at joshwelch.com  Thu Apr 27 18:37:47 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:37:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Using X from remote host
Message-ID: <20060427183747.a5kec8t931pcco0w@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

I've been banging my head against the wall on this one, perhaps someone 
here can shine some light on things. I have a Linux install (Whitebox 4 
if it matters) on VMWare. I want to run a virtual frame buffer (it's 
for a goofy app, don't ask) like so:
  Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1024x768x8 I want to be able to connect to the 
system using the Cygwin X client from Windows XP laptop and login as a 
user who has their display set to :1.0. Running this from Cygwin (where 
jwelch-rhvm is the system I want to connect to:
  X -query jwelch-rhvm
Results in a black and white pixelated X screen on my desktop, pretty 
much nothing. I think I have things setup properly on my laptop, I can 
X into a Sun box with no problems, so I believe it's something on the 
WBEL system that isn't set right. Any thoughts on what I'm missing here?

Thanks,
Josh


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Thu Apr 27 19:36:27 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:36:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Using X from remote host
In-Reply-To: <20060427183747.a5kec8t931pcco0w@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>
References: <20060427183747.a5kec8t931pcco0w@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>
Message-ID: <31653.163.231.6.85.1146184587.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

On Thu, April 27, 2006 6:37 pm, Josh Welch wrote:
>   Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1024x768x8

Xvfb is a dumb server - it is just a buffer in memory - and there's no way
to get a display from it - only screenshots through xwud, which isn't what
you want.

>   X -query jwelch-rhvm

This asks jwelch-rhvm to do XDCMP, a remote tie between something like a
thin client and a terminal server, but it always will start a new session.
 This is probably not what you want either.

If you are just running one application once, just start a server on the
windows host, and then ssh to the machine with X forwarding and start the
application.


x-server-host:# ssh -Y -f application-host xterm

or

application-host:# DISPLAY=x-server-host:0 xterm

If that's not what you want, try looking at Xvnc.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From ces.fci at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 22:27:36 2006
From: ces.fci at gmail.com (Clayton Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:27:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
Message-ID: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>

recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into
programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to
program a USB/LCD device etc... I hate it when people ask these kinds
of questions ("hey I'm a noob at $x what should I do, what books
should I read blahblah") but I'm asking anyway since I feel at a loss
at where to start.
A few things I think would find most appealing to hear about:
- a college or local place that offers beginners with hands on
learning about programming a microchip (or maybe just basic
electronics) -- or maybe you know a place where I can simply volunteer
and get some hands on
- a place that offers an assembly class
- a good assembly book (I'm going through one right now actually but
I'm open to more, also, has anyone read Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating
Systems Design & Implementation, what did you think of it?)

maybe you are wondering why I have this interest.. well, the past week
or two I've been reading various books which I suppose leave me a
little inspired.. they are as follows:
Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software
Difference Engine: Charles Babbage And The Quest To Build The First Computer
Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software 	
Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary
Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution

then some more technical books mixed in that I can have difficulty
pushing through due to them addressing details before introducing the
concept or explaining it via the relationships between ideas (etc)

Clayton


From lists at turbobit.com  Thu Apr 27 18:16:07 2006
From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:16:07 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060427231606.GA24020@turbobit.com>

Some resources:
Demo kits from manufacturers: search for PIC kit|demo|programming board,
search manufacturers site, search ebay for PIC kits or PIC programmers.
You can find low price demo boards that are for programming/introduction
complete with compilers/tools on cdrom. $25 to $50.

http://www.microchipdirect.com/ProductSearch.aspx?Keywords=DV164101

AVR chips are nice as well, there is a GCC port for these.

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools.asp?family_id=607#808

Go to the library for electronics books and get a breadboard,
see if you can make a LED light up.

Today it is very easy/inexpensive to get into microcontroller programming
with the flash parts.  You can program these with a few wires coming off the
LPT port, but you will be better off buying a programming kit for starters.

Karl.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:27:36PM -0500, Clayton Smith wrote:
> recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into
> programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to
> program a USB/LCD device etc... I hate it when people ask these kinds
> of questions ("hey I'm a noob at $x what should I do, what books
> should I read blahblah") but I'm asking anyway since I feel at a loss
> at where to start.
> A few things I think would find most appealing to hear about:
> - a college or local place that offers beginners with hands on
> learning about programming a microchip (or maybe just basic
> electronics) -- or maybe you know a place where I can simply volunteer
> and get some hands on
> - a place that offers an assembly class
> - a good assembly book (I'm going through one right now actually but
> I'm open to more, also, has anyone read Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating
> Systems Design & Implementation, what did you think of it?)
> 
> maybe you are wondering why I have this interest.. well, the past week
> or two I've been reading various books which I suppose leave me a
> little inspired.. they are as follows:
> Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software
> Difference Engine: Charles Babbage And The Quest To Build The First Computer
> Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software 	
> Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary
> Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution
> 
> then some more technical books mixed in that I can have difficulty
> pushing through due to them addressing details before introducing the
> concept or explaining it via the relationships between ideas (etc)
> 
> Clayton
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Fri Apr 28 08:25:55 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:25:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] FC5 on ThinkPad 600X
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1146194906.9379.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.13.1146194906.9379.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <13561.192.28.2.52.1146230755.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

I've been using Red Hat Linux since 7.2 and Fedora Core since it came out,
but FC5 on two ThinkPad 600X's has been the most difficult install in a
very long time.

On one, GRUB broke after a few boots, reinstall. CardBus cards are not
"supported"... reinstall. No DHCP lease... no sound.

PLEASE don't suggest another distribution. I know Fedora, and I want to
get it working on my machines. Will anyone step up to help me over some
small hurdles?

Many thanks,
Chris Schumann




From josh at joshwelch.com  Fri Apr 28 09:49:34 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:49:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Using X from remote host
In-Reply-To: <31653.163.231.6.85.1146184587.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
References: <20060427183747.a5kec8t931pcco0w@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>
	<31653.163.231.6.85.1146184587.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <20060428094934.bl4atiq093c4ks4s@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting David Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net>:

> On Thu, April 27, 2006 6:37 pm, Josh Welch wrote:
>>   Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1024x768x8
>
> Xvfb is a dumb server - it is just a buffer in memory - and there's no way
> to get a display from it - only screenshots through xwud, which isn't what
> you want.
>
You're right, that wasn't what I was looking for. I don't think it 
matters for my purposes though.

>>   X -query jwelch-rhvm
>
> This asks jwelch-rhvm to do XDCMP, a remote tie between something like a
> thin client and a terminal server, but it always will start a new session.
> This is probably not what you want either.
>
This actually was what I was looking for, but I may have been looking 
for the wrong thing.

> If you are just running one application once, just start a server on the
> windows host, and then ssh to the machine with X forwarding and start the
> application.
>
>
> x-server-host:# ssh -Y -f application-host xterm
>
> or
>
> application-host:# DISPLAY=x-server-host:0 xterm
>
> If that's not what you want, try looking at Xvnc.
>

Thanks for the info.
Josh


From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 28 10:24:06 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060428152406.34855.qmail@web37215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Clayton,

Paralax sells small microprocessor based project boards with manuals and containing information for learning to program the chip.  The main site is here:

http://www.parallax.com/

Perhaps take a look at the "Getting Started" link on the left of the page.  There are a number or project boards for beginners.

Damien




----- Original Message ----
From: Clayton Smith <ces.fci at gmail.com>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:27:36 PM
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc

recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into
programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to
program a USB/LCD device etc... I hate it when people ask these kinds
of questions ("hey I'm a noob at $x what should I do, what books
should I read blahblah") but I'm asking anyway since I feel at a loss
at where to start.
A few things I think would find most appealing to hear about:
- a college or local place that offers beginners with hands on
learning about programming a microchip (or maybe just basic
electronics) -- or maybe you know a place where I can simply volunteer
and get some hands on
- a place that offers an assembly class
- a good assembly book (I'm going through one right now actually but
I'm open to more, also, has anyone read Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating
Systems Design & Implementation, what did you think of it?)

maybe you are wondering why I have this interest.. well, the past week
or two I've been reading various books which I suppose leave me a
little inspired.. they are as follows:
Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software
Difference Engine: Charles Babbage And The Quest To Build The First Computer
Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software     
Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary
Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution

then some more technical books mixed in that I can have difficulty
pushing through due to them addressing details before introducing the
concept or explaining it via the relationships between ideas (etc)

Clayton

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





From ewilts at ewilts.org  Fri Apr 28 10:43:17 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:43:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
In-Reply-To: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20060428154317.GD19450@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:09:34PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I am considering selling some boxes set up for a small business that
> will run a web site, MTA, spam filtering, and content filtering. I have
> done some reading on GNU and GPL, and it seems I am in compliance, if I
> am not offering the software itself for sale, and all code modification
> is made available. 

If you're *distributing* the software, you need to make the sources
available.  This could be as simple as providing a written offer for the
sources with a fee attached to have the sources mailed out.  You don't
have to make the sources available online, but you do have to make it
available.  Whether or not you're making changes to the sources, you
still have to provide the source.

        .../Ed

> Are there other things I need to consider before moving ahead with the
> idea?

Probably.  Talk to a lawyer...  I'm not one (so confirm what I said
above!).

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From smac at visi.com  Fri Apr 28 10:51:41 2006
From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:51:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FC5 on ThinkPad 600X
In-Reply-To: <13561.192.28.2.52.1146230755.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <mailman.13.1146194906.9379.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<13561.192.28.2.52.1146230755.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <1146239501.44523a0deccbd@my.visi.com>



Take a look at http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/

and

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html



Quoting Chris Schumann <cschumann at twp-llc.com>:

> I've been using Red Hat Linux since 7.2 and Fedora Core since it came out,
> but FC5 on two ThinkPad 600X's has been the most difficult install in a
> very long time.
>
> On one, GRUB broke after a few boots, reinstall. CardBus cards are not
> "supported"... reinstall. No DHCP lease... no sound.
>
> PLEASE don't suggest another distribution. I know Fedora, and I want to
> get it working on my machines. Will anyone step up to help me over some
> small hurdles?
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris Schumann
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>





From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Apr 28 11:34:30 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:34:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604281634.k3SGYUT08359@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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Type of Ad: For Sale

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Service Tag: H6HYU 

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From bradyh at bitstream.net  Fri Apr 28 11:18:32 2006
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh at bitstream.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:18:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] open source licensing
In-Reply-To: <20060428154317.GD19450@www.ewilts.org>
References: <1146161375.9088.140.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20060428154317.GD19450@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <26582.132.189.76.18.1146241112.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com>

If you're doing the actual setup and installation of the boxes.  As
opposed to, say, selling a disk that contains all the software.  Then my
understanding is that you don't have to do anything special.  You don't
have to make source code available - even if you made changes.

Especially since there's no way you can get caught unless the FSF raids
one of your clients and siezes their hardware.  Which seems uh...unlikely.
 :-)

Of course if you make any changes to hardware that might be useful to
others it is in your best interest to make it available so they can
correct your bugs, suggest improvements, etc.

-Brady

> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:09:34PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
>> I am considering selling some boxes set up for a small business that
>> will run a web site, MTA, spam filtering, and content filtering. I have
>> done some reading on GNU and GPL, and it seems I am in compliance, if I
>> am not offering the software itself for sale, and all code modification
>> is made available.
>
> If you're *distributing* the software, you need to make the sources
> available.  This could be as simple as providing a written offer for the
> sources with a fee attached to have the sources mailed out.  You don't
> have to make the sources available online, but you do have to make it
> available.  Whether or not you're making changes to the sources, you
> still have to provide the source.
>
>         .../Ed
>
>> Are there other things I need to consider before moving ahead with the
>> idea?
>
> Probably.  Talk to a lawyer...  I'm not one (so confirm what I said
> above!).
>
> --
> Ed Wilts, RHCE
> Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
> Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Apr 28 12:26:20 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:26:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0604281224310.18428@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Clayton Smith wrote:

> I hate it when people ask these kinds of questions ("hey I'm a noob at 
> $x what should I do, what books should I read blahblah")

I like those kinds of questions.  We should feel free to ask basic 
questions.  Sometimes LUG lists become too high-level and you end up with 
mostly computer professionals sending all the messages and average users 
and newbies feeling very intimidated.

Mike


From bgilbertson at stonel.com  Fri Apr 28 13:30:03 2006
From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:30:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44525F2B.6080803@stonel.com>

TI has a device on a USB stick: http://www.ti.com/ez430
Unfortunately appears the IDE only runs in Windows.
Linux related using Atmel AVR:
http://www.tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/November2004/article352.shtml
Atmel also has Butterfly and others but programmability may be limited.

Also watch for seminars put on locally by the manufacturer, for example
Microchip on May 18 at Minneapolis Marriott SW in Minnetonka.
https://secure.microchip.com/corpseminars/details.aspx
Freescale, Renesas, TI, Atmel, etc. often put on a seminar in Twin
Cities about once a year either free or for nominal cost.  Often some
books or hardware is given away at these.

Bob


Clayton Smith wrote:

>recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into
>programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to
>program a USB/LCD device etc... I hate it when people ask these kinds
>of questions ("hey I'm a noob at $x what should I do, what books
>should I read blahblah") but I'm asking anyway since I feel at a loss
>at where to start.
>A few things I think would find most appealing to hear about:
>- a college or local place that offers beginners with hands on
>learning about programming a microchip (or maybe just basic
>electronics) -- or maybe you know a place where I can simply volunteer
>and get some hands on
>- a place that offers an assembly class
>- a good assembly book (I'm going through one right now actually but
>I'm open to more, also, has anyone read Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating
>Systems Design & Implementation, what did you think of it?)
>
>maybe you are wondering why I have this interest.. well, the past week
>or two I've been reading various books which I suppose leave me a
>little inspired.. they are as follows:
>Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software
>Difference Engine: Charles Babbage And The Quest To Build The First Computer
>Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software 	
>Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary
>Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution
>
>then some more technical books mixed in that I can have difficulty
>pushing through due to them addressing details before introducing the
>concept or explaining it via the relationships between ideas (etc)
>
>Clayton
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>  
>


From jkjones at tcq.net  Fri Apr 28 18:10:32 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:10:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600604272027m62667b4ak32b1505cbea952bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4452A0E8.9010801@tcq.net>

Clayton Smith wrote:

>recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into
>programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to
>program a USB/LCD device etc.
>
You may be interested in this.  I just bookmarked it recently:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/piklab/?branch_id=59135&release_id=226002

I have ordered one of these USB devices to play with, but haven't 
received it yet, so no comments yet:
http://www.ti-estore.com/

Maybe there's a TC-LUG meeting topic in here somewhere???

Kraig



From tj at kewlness.net  Sat Apr 29 12:57:27 2006
From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Duch=E9ne?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:57:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146330003.8797.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1146330003.8797.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1146333447.3541.30.camel@pandora>

I have a copy of Tannenbaum's  book. It's ironic that you should mention
him on a LUG list, considering his history with Linux.  The debate
between Linus Torvalds and Andy Tannenbaum is something of a legend in
operating system design circles.

Tannenbaum advocates the "microkernel" operating system design.  Linux
is technically speaking a monolithic operating system, with module
device drivers.  Hence the debate between them.


Anyway, being here nor there... 

Clayton,

Is the device in question a stand alone device, or something you plan to
interface with a PC since you mentioned USB? What OS?
If so, you may need to create a driver for the OS in question.
  

Personally, depending on your experience level with hardware, I'd first
suggest a courses in digital logic, and one in processor architecture.
Then take your assembly language courses.  Some combine the architecture
and assembly into one course.

Assembly language should not be taken lightly.  It's notoriously
difficult for new programmers to learn, and it is not portable from one
processor family to another.  There are no safety nets with assembly,
for such things as array boundaries,  so be sure to debug your programs
carefully.


Most often, programmers will use stripped object code from C, rather
than drive into assembly code.  Assembly should be your last resort
really, when there is nothing else available to get the job done.  It
used to be a memory size concern, but flashcards and ram are so cheap
now that it's not as much an issue anymore.

Considering that there is even an embedded version of (memory hog),
Windows, called Windows CE, I don't think anyone is as nervous about
memory requirements as they were in past years.

Let me know if I can help.

Thanks,
T.J.





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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Apr 29 16:11:23 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:11:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200604292111.k3TLBNV30317@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Full rack and misc parts

Have the following for sale:

-19" rack:  6' tall by 25" deep.  Has solid sides, but no front or rear doors.  Includes a couple of shelves.  $40

-Linksys EZXS88W 8 port switch  $20

-Quantum DLT tape drive Model #TH5AA-AW (2 cleaning tapes, 3 DLT-IV tapes, Adaptec AHA-2940 pci controller and ribbon included)  $40

-Creative (Cambridge Soundworks) FPS-1800 4 point surround sound $30

-Logitech Wingman Extreme joystick $10

-USR XJ1560 PCMCIA modem  $5

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-USR modem (ISA) Sportster #0461
-Adaptec AHA-2940 SCSI controller (PCI)
-IBM RIAD controller AIC-7880 chipset FRU#76H6875


Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com

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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Sun Apr 30 17:48:21 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:48:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Language Pack
Message-ID: <200604302248214970701d43@mail.smumn.edu>

It seems that I have misplaced my Ubuntu DVD and I do not have ubuntu installed at the moment. I have been unsuccesful to get google to tell me the exact number of languages the latest install DVD contains. Can someone on the list please help me obtain this information?

Thank you,

David

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From k0sdh at visi.com  Sun Apr 30 21:45:21 2006
From: k0sdh at visi.com (K0SDH)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:45:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Language Pack
In-Reply-To: <200604302248214970701d43@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <200604302248214970701d43@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <op.s8upxvtdglsmto@hplap.domain.actdsltmp>

Dave,

My Ubuntu (Ver 5.10) was a download from www.ubuntu.com. The download was  
around 650 megabyte; I started it and went to bed (:-).  Took the file to  
an install fest and someone showed me how to put on a CD.  I installed on  
a 2.3 Mhz P4 machine; it worked the first time and is a real pleasure of  
stability comparied to my XP-pro machine.  However I haven't yet figured  
out how to get it to print on my Windoze network printer.

In <system-administration-language selector> there are at least ninty-six  
(96) languages available.  There may be a couple more than that;  they are  
not all simultanously visible in window. While schrolling (sp?) down I  
probably mis-counted a time or two.

Good luck,
AA0P - Steve


On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:48:21 -0500, Dave Alanis <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote:

> It seems that I have misplaced my Ubuntu DVD and I do not have ubuntu  
> installed at the moment. I have been unsuccesful to get google to tell  
> me the exact number of languages the latest install DVD contains. Can  
> someone on the list please help me obtain this information?
>
> Thank you,
>
> David
>
> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre  
> Minds" - Einstein
>
> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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