From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 18:09:40 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:09:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] everydns.net foobarred
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612011609t78569d24k1e1b483714e1346d@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if anyone else was using everydns.net for their domains but I
am/was and they've been down for the last 2 hours. That includes all 4
of their name servers and their website.  Looks like I'll need a new
plan.

Doh!


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Fri Dec  1 18:35:11 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:35:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] everydns.net foobarred
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612011609t78569d24k1e1b483714e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612011609t78569d24k1e1b483714e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0612011834140.20310@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Eric Peterson wrote:
> Not sure if anyone else was using everydns.net for their domains but I 
> am/was and they've been down for the last 2 hours. That includes all 4 
> of their name servers and their website.  Looks like I'll need a new 
> plan.

Big DoS. If you need some temp DNS hosting, send me a zone file..

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg03419.html

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Dec  1 18:52:33 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:52:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Kernel hang
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612011847260.7180@Rooster>

So I'm building a new machine, and I put ubuntu on it because, what the 
heck.

I was planning on just using the stock kernel (it has 2.6.17) but I need 
too many custom-patched modules, because I had to go gamble and get an 
ATI-based motherboard. So I'm trying to install 2.6.19 on it.

Kernel boots and it hangs right after "Freeing unused kernel memory:"

I did some googling and the closest thing I can come up with is that the 
kernel arch is not compatible with libc.

This is an x86_64 machine, so I built the kernel for x84_64. I've tried 
"generic x86_64" and the AMD-specific one (it's an AMD CPU). Still hangs 
at this point.

Now, I've got the machine booted into it's default kernel. Anyone have any 
idea how I can figure out what the heck arch libc wants me to use? Or have 
any other ideas?


-Yaron

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 22:38:54 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:38:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] everydns.net foobarred
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0612011834140.20310@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <579c6fd30612011609t78569d24k1e1b483714e1346d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0612011834140.20310@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612012038s2139a363m7a42b724e92b68c5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/06, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Eric Peterson wrote:
> > Not sure if anyone else was using everydns.net for their domains but I
> > am/was and they've been down for the last 2 hours. That includes all 4
> > of their name servers and their website.  Looks like I'll need a new
> > plan.
>
> Big DoS. If you need some temp DNS hosting, send me a zone file..
>
> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg03419.html

Well that sucks for them and us. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now.

Thanks for the offer, but for now we'll tough it out. If something
changes, I'll let you know.


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Dec  2 14:27:17 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:27:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612022027.kB2KRHf23210@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 4 WD2500YD  Serial ATA drives

I just got a large order in from newegg.com and noticed I fscked up and ordered the wrong drive type on four drives I ordered.  

I have 4 250GB Next Generation Serial ATA drive (model WD2500YD) by Western Digital - 7200 RPM, 16 MB Cache. OEM
You pay what I paid minus shipping - $69.99 each...




Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From admin at lctn.org  Mon Dec  4 14:04:21 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:04:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
Message-ID: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>

We had been using the free version of Knowledge Tree for a DMS, but had
let it go by the wayside, because of little interest. Looks like we have
some users who would find value in a DMS now. Is there an open source
solution people are sold on that is full featured, and easy to use?


Raymond

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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Dec  4 17:04:48 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:04:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
In-Reply-To: <500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>

> For those of us that are TLA challenged, what is DMS?

Document Management System. The free version of Knowledge Tree is OK
(www.ktdms.com), but they stuck all the cool features into their pay for
versions. I don't want to start over two years from now to gain more
features.





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From bhartm at visi.com  Mon Dec  4 19:11:07 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:11:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
In-Reply-To: <56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>	<500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
	<56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <4574C72B.8040804@visi.com>


maybe I'm a dope, but (maybe?) I recently worked at a place that used 
texinfo.  THAT's dms, not cms.   Now, I admit I don't know what TLA 
is...  wth is TLA? 

I've attempted to use Xpedio under pressure.  hecka bad.  I went TWiki.  
Polar opposites.  Texinfo.

admin at lctn.org wrote:
>> For those of us that are TLA challenged, what is DMS?
>>     
>
> Document Management System. The free version of Knowledge Tree is OK
> (www.ktdms.com), but they stuck all the cool features into their pay for
> versions. I don't want to start over two years from now to gain more
> features.
>
>
>
>
>
>   


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Dec  4 19:33:16 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:33:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
In-Reply-To: <4574C72B.8040804@visi.com>
References: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
	<56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4574C72B.8040804@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0612041927530.9457@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Bob Hartmann wrote:

> maybe I'm a dope, but (maybe?) I recently worked at a place that used
> texinfo.  THAT's dms, not cms.   Now, I admit I don't know what TLA
> is...  wth is TLA?
>
> I've attempted to use Xpedio under pressure.  hecka bad.  I went TWiki. 
> Polar opposites.  Texinfo.


You are writing in a kind of secret code that I cannot understand.
Maybe I'm the only one.

I am interested in the topic, so I found some stuff here:

DMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_management_system
CMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system
ECM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_content_management
RM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_Management
DAM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_asset_management

I guess those are all TLAs, except for RM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA_%28disambiguation%29

(Three Letter Abbreviation.)

Mike


From bhartm at visi.com  Tue Dec  5 16:15:02 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:15:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0612041927530.9457@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
	<56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4574C72B.8040804@visi.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0612041927530.9457@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4575EF66.5020602@visi.com>



Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>
>> maybe I'm a dope, but (maybe?) I recently worked at a place that used
>> texinfo. THAT's dms, not cms. Now, I admit I don't know what TLA
>> is... wth is TLA?
>>
>> I've attempted to use Xpedio under pressure. hecka bad. I went TWiki. 
>> Polar opposites. Texinfo.
>
>
> You are writing in a kind of secret code that I cannot understand.
> Maybe I'm the only one.
>
> I am interested in the topic, so I found some stuff here:
>
> DMS:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_management_system
> CMS:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system
> ECM:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_content_management
> RM:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_Management
> DAM:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_asset_management
>
> I guess those are all TLAs, except for RM:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA_%28disambiguation%29
>
> (Three Letter Abbreviation.)
>
> Mike
>
Oh, and I'm also insane. After further thought, I went here--
http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=document+management

Lots of options. I have no recommendation, however. Xpedio is rather 
Xpensive and it's too admin centric. And it's probably Windows only.




From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 18:17:35 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:17:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Redundant server with data replication.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0611301906050.20310@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <bada98250611301508q179c5b18xb93cf4a66be0ca96@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0611301906050.20310@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <bada98250612051617v62ddafbfuadb8f725d28f058f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the information everybody; it's equipped me well. The links for
High Availability Linux were really beneficial as well.

-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 18:21:06 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:21:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] LAMP administrator/hosting - local businesses?
Message-ID: <bada98250612051621qeaf8068vfd3331c136b62f51@mail.gmail.com>

Looking into local Minnesotan companies that provide standard LAMP setups
with hosting/backup and administration.

If you work at or would recommend one, could you pass the name over to me?
Thank you, and all the best.

-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 21:56:17 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:56:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  LAMP administrator/hosting - local businesses?
In-Reply-To: <bada98250612051955y116c158dk799a169fe244388d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250612051621qeaf8068vfd3331c136b62f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC47A784572F8B41BB3CFD8E30CBAF98895C56@kdv-exch.KDV.COM>
	<bada98250612051955y116c158dk799a169fe244388d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bada98250612051956p2a1bf29oce1f2a7e3f1a4fe8@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, forgot the reply-all. Heh heh.

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From: Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
Date: Dec 5, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] LAMP administrator/hosting - local businesses?
To: "Mark J. Kroska" <MKroska at kdv.com>

The potential client in question is as yet unaware that I'm looking into
this; I wanted to pull together some information prior to our meeting to be
equipped for it.

It would be a for-profit website, requiring Apache, MySQL, PHP, phpmyadmin
and the ability to run osCommerce ( http://www.oscommerce.com/). If
possible, having someone available for troubleshooting/administrating the
box (whether a pay-for-hours-support or just leaving the box entirely in
your hands) would be great. Would require backups periodically and is
interested (peripherally, not necessarily pursuing) a High Availability
setup long-term. Thus the prior question regarding HA implementations for
Linux (thanks to all who responded on that).

Hope that clarifies a bit.
-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com


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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Dec  5 22:51:09 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:51:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>

Hi there.

Are any of you guys using the ATI closed-source display drivers on a Linux 
box? I just spent like 4 days trying to get the thing to run correctly and 
it just refuses to get to the point where there's any kind of hardware 
acceleration... has anyone had a /positive/ experience?

(for reference sake, I'm trying to use a built-in display on a mATX 
motherboard because I'd rather not put a video card in my media computer. 
But I would like OpenGL visualizations. And yes I regret gambling on an 
ATI-based motherboard, but I couldn't find a nforce mATX board with 
optical spdif and component-HDTV output for this cheap).


-Yaron

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Dec  6 08:25:51 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:25:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: LAMP administrator/hosting - local businesses?
In-Reply-To: <bada98250612051956p2a1bf29oce1f2a7e3f1a4fe8@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <bada98250612051621qeaf8068vfd3331c136b62f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC47A784572F8B41BB3CFD8E30CBAF98895C56@kdv-exch.KDV.COM>
	<bada98250612051955y116c158dk799a169fe244388d@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250612051956p2a1bf29oce1f2a7e3f1a4fe8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061206142551.0AD302ACD@skuld.wookimus.net>

Bob won't toot his own horn on the list, but you should look in to
Real Time Enterprises: http://real-time.com.  I know the guy who runs
it. ;-)
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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Dec  6 08:27:27 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:27:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20061206142727.D78A32ACD@skuld.wookimus.net>

Can't say I have anything positive to say about ATI binary drivers.
Sorry.
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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Dec  6 08:50:46 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (TCLUG)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:50:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30612060348i6ccc7d1bu3cd225776646a92f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
	<7bdea6e30612060348i6ccc7d1bu3cd225776646a92f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612060848310.30736@Rooster>

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

> Bit of a pain in Fedora to setup, but worked "out of the box" with 
> Ubuntu,

I believe it. Sadly the sound card on this thing needed kernel patch 
that's not available out of the box, and I just couldn't get my self-built 
kernel to boot in Ubuntu. So I went back to regular deba. Too bad, I was 
quite impressed with ubuntu and everything else (intalling mythtv for 
instance) would've been MUCH easier.



-Yaron

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From josh at joshwelch.com  Wed Dec  6 08:27:44 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:27:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Best DMS
In-Reply-To: <4575EF66.5020602@visi.com>
References: <54567.64.8.148.12.1165262661.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<500663.42292.qm@web53803.mail.yahoo.com>
	<56918.204.212.34.10.1165273488.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4574C72B.8040804@visi.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0612041927530.9457@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<4575EF66.5020602@visi.com>
Message-ID: <20061206082744.orhwrcvgqr6s0ssc@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting Bob Hartmann <bhartm at visi.com>:

> Oh, and I'm also insane. After further thought, I went here--
> http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=document+management
>
> Lots of options. I have no recommendation, however. Xpedio is rather
> Xpensive and it's too admin centric. And it's probably Windows only.
>

Xpedio does not exist anymore, hasn't for a number of years. There was 
some sort of copyright issue with that name. Today it is Stellent, soon 
to be Oracle assuming the acquisition closes. It runs on quite a few 
platforms, it is Java for the most part. I don't consider it too admin 
centric, but I'm biased, I work there :)

Josh


From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com  Wed Dec  6 09:57:51 2006
From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:57:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
Message-ID: <C3D9EE274D1F3A4EB9AA0488B6C99FC404E21425@lynms601.global.ad.toro.com>

 

>
> Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> Are any of you guys using the ATI closed-source display 
> drivers on a Linux box? I just spent like 4 days trying to 
> get the thing to run correctly and it just refuses to get to 
> the point where there's any kind of hardware acceleration... 
> has anyone had a /positive/ experience?

No, not here.

> 
> (for reference sake, I'm trying to use a built-in display on 
> a mATX motherboard because I'd rather not put a video card in 
> my media computer. 
> But I would like OpenGL visualizations. And yes I regret 
> gambling on an ATI-based motherboard, but I couldn't find a 
> nforce mATX board with optical spdif and component-HDTV 
> output for this cheap).

I've got the built-in ATI adapter (xPress 200m) in my laptop. The
opensource drivers would hang X
periodically, so I switched to the closed drivers. That solved my
stability issue, but
I only have 2D support. This is a known issue with the embedded
chipsets. They initialize
In a funky manner and even the ATI drivers don't work properly for 3D.

Supposedly, if you switch the adapter from dedicated memory to shared
memory then it will
Work, but I've had no luck with that either.

Bruce


From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Wed Dec  6 09:09:07 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:09:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.252.1165416712.13277.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.252.1165416712.13277.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <23160.168.86.12.2.1165417747.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:51:09 -0600 (CST)
> From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com>

> Are any of you guys using the ATI closed-source display drivers on a
> Linux  box? I just spent like 4 days trying to get the thing to run
> correctly and  it just refuses to get to the point where there's any
> kind of hardware  acceleration... has anyone had a /positive/
> experience?

I have a ThinkPad T60 with an ATI X1400 128MB video chip. I used the
instructions at ThinkWiki.org to use the Livna repository and it's running
OpenGL just fine. Desktop effects and composite rendering do not work,
however.

Chris





From ces.fci at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 10:41:13 2006
From: ces.fci at gmail.com (Clayton Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:41:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
Message-ID: <f093e3600612060841u4fef551aob78b2495bf767ae5@mail.gmail.com>

I messed around with this awhile ago for my macbook pro, here is the
mental I had made about it:
"run /lib/modules/fglrx/make_install.sh, after doing "sudo dpkg -i
fglrx-kernel-source_8.29.6-1_i386.deb" -- this package can be
generated with the ATI installer.
edit: if there are still issues and it is modprobe'd successfully etc
run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (this was the only thing that
was really fucking me up)"

no idea if that helps.. and yeah.. it was a pain.

Clayton


On 12/5/06, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> Are any of you guys using the ATI closed-source display drivers on a Linux
> box? I just spent like 4 days trying to get the thing to run correctly and
> it just refuses to get to the point where there's any kind of hardware
> acceleration... has anyone had a /positive/ experience?
>
> (for reference sake, I'm trying to use a built-in display on a mATX
> motherboard because I'd rather not put a video card in my media computer.
> But I would like OpenGL visualizations. And yes I regret gambling on an
> ATI-based motherboard, but I couldn't find a nforce mATX board with
> optical spdif and component-HDTV output for this cheap).
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Dec  6 10:52:11 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:52:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600612060841u4fef551aob78b2495bf767ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612052243260.28671@Rooster>
	<f093e3600612060841u4fef551aob78b2495bf767ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612061043450.30736@Rooster>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Clayton Smith wrote:

> edit: if there are still issues and it is modprobe'd successfully etc
> run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (this was the only thing that
> was really fucking me up)"

That's ther sad part. After I beat it up for a loooong time I actually got 
it to load and run and everything, the logs show that it's working.

But it stll won't give me DRI or fast OpenGL. And you /know/ how 
important that is for a MythTV box.

I've got it working perfectly with an nvidia card right now, but I'd love 
to not have that supernoisy video card fan in my otherwise SILENT media 
computer.


-Yaron

--


From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 10:53:06 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:53:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ATI Display drivers
In-Reply-To: <23160.168.86.12.2.1165417747.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <mailman.252.1165416712.13277.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<23160.168.86.12.2.1165417747.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <4576F572.7070906@gmail.com>

Mine was working with Ubuntu 6.06 - but then I upgraded.  Whoops.

The newer version of the X server broke something between the binary 
drivers and the X server - I no longer can get 3D support, and the mouse 
turns into a 50 pixel box of distortion whenever I put it on the second 
monitor.

The latest version of the binary driver is supposed to fix it - but 
guess what - ATI discontinued support for my particular video card in 
the newer version.

Tried going back to the opensource drivers, and they don't work right 
with dual monitors.

Its all quite annoying.

I have an old machine at work with a cheap nvidia card in it, and it 
took all of 5 minutes to get the full 3d desktop experience up and 
running on the latest ubuntu.

I'll be buying nvidia graphics cards from now on :)

Dan


-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Dec  6 22:54:33 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:54:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612070454.kB74sX823853@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Dell E1505

Dell E1505 For Sale

Specs -

2ghz Intel Centrino Duo Core(Not Core 2 Duo)
2gb of Ram
80gb hdd
Sony Dvd+/-RW
Intel 3945 A/B/G Wireless
15.4 Display
4 Usb 2.0 Ports
1 Firewire(1394a)
Upgraded 80watt Battery/PowerCable
Windows Xp Professional SP2(With Resore media)
All Original Discs included
3 Year Dell Warrenty


Asking for $1800.00 OBO

Only Certified Check or Cash will be accepted.



Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Dec  7 21:15:51 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:15:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612080315.kB83Fpa09293@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server

Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server

I don't have the manual.  I have the power supply.  This review describes it pretty well-  
(Oops!
The longest word in the English Language is actually not antidisestablishmentarianism, it's pneumono..... which is 45 letters long. Please don't try to use words longer than that!)

whell, google efsp42 and get the review from www dot print-server-reviews dot com/print-server-review
------------
I'll trade for a pair of ps2 KVM cables.  ie., I have 2 puters, a 2 port KVM and the requisite monitor cables-- just need to get the keyboard and mouse cables.  
Otherwise, it's twenty bucks.  
I also have some cases and parts.  

Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Fri Dec  8 00:30:20 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:30:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <20061208063020427eee123a@mail.smumn.edu>

Hey,

This is a democratic mailing list. What do you mean by "cases and parts" they're not nuclear are they...WTF

What stuff?



On Thursday, December 07, 2006  9:15 PM, TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
>
>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:15:51 -0600
>From: TCLUG Classifieds
>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
>
>New TCLUG Classified Ad
>
>Category: Computer
>
>Type of Ad: For Sale
>
>Subject: Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server
>
>Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server
>
>I don't have the manual.  I have the power supply.  This review describes it pretty well-
>(Oops!
>The longest word in the English Language is actually not antidisestablishmentarianism, it's pneumono..... which is 45 letters long. Please don't try to use words longer than that!)
>
>whell, google efsp42 and get the review from www dot print-server-reviews dot com/print-server-review
>------------
>I'll trade for a pair of ps2 KVM cables.  ie., I have 2 puters, a 2 port KVM and the requisite monitor cables-- just need to get the keyboard and mouse cables.
>Otherwise, it's twenty bucks.
>I also have some cases and parts.
>
>Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com
>
>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From bhartm at visi.com  Fri Dec  8 18:34:39 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:34:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <20061208063020427eee123a@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <20061208063020427eee123a@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <457A049F.5020908@visi.com>


Just some old mid-tower ATX stuff I'd be happy to see no more.  2 with 
working mobo's + RAM.  All of it intended for peaceful means, or in some 
cases self defense.  ;-]


SDALAN04 at smumn.edu wrote:
> Hey,
>
> This is a democratic mailing list. What do you mean by "cases and parts" they're not nuclear are they...WTF
>
> What stuff?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 07, 2006  9:15 PM, TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
>   
>> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:15:51 -0600
>> From: TCLUG Classifieds
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
>>
>> New TCLUG Classified Ad
>>
>> Category: Computer
>>
>> Type of Ad: For Sale
>>
>> Subject: Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server
>>
>> Linksys EFSP42 Etherfast Print Server
>>
>> I don't have the manual.  I have the power supply.  This review describes it pretty well-
>> (Oops!
>> The longest word in the English Language is actually not antidisestablishmentarianism, it's pneumono..... which is 45 letters long. Please don't try to use words longer than that!)
>>
>> whell, google efsp42 and get the review from www dot print-server-reviews dot com/print-server-review
>> ------------
>> I'll trade for a pair of ps2 KVM cables.  ie., I have 2 puters, a 2 port KVM and the requisite monitor cables-- just need to get the keyboard and mouse cables.
>> Otherwise, it's twenty bucks.
>> I also have some cases and parts.
>>
>> Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com
>>
>> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>     
>
>
>
> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein
>
> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 12:14:30 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:14:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: LAMP administrator/hosting - local businesses?
In-Reply-To: <20061206142551.0AD302ACD@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <bada98250612051621qeaf8068vfd3331c136b62f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC47A784572F8B41BB3CFD8E30CBAF98895C56@kdv-exch.KDV.COM>
	<bada98250612051955y116c158dk799a169fe244388d@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250612051956p2a1bf29oce1f2a7e3f1a4fe8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061206142551.0AD302ACD@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <bada98250612111014q3e812766mf41fab20a8e1ad9c@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all; I've contacted a number of you and learned a lot in this
process.

At the moment our company and client are maintaining the status quo, and
will be keeping things relatively in-house. Those of you we have contacted
we have retained your information in the event a
training/consultation/hosting opportunity arises.

Thank you to everyone who contributed.
-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Dec 13 21:16:25 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:16:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612140316.kBE3GPs24346@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Software of Christmas Past

I'm cleaning out the basement, and have run across a slew of install media. Could anyone ever want:

MS-DOS 3.3
MS-DOS 6.22
MS-Windows 3.1
MS Windows 98 SE

Perhaps even just for nostalgia?  If you do, it's yours.  Otherwise I'm thinking Christmas ornaments.

Seller Email address: johntrammell at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Dec 13 21:34:36 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:34:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612140334.kBE3YaG25292@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: More crap software

Back in my pre-wife, pre-child life, I had time to play computer games!  Ha!  Ha!  So I've found the following as-new, never used titles in the bin:

Railroad Tycoon II for Linux (Loki)
Myth II for Linux (Loki)

And these slightly older, well-worn ones:

Doom I for DOS (Id)
Doom II for DOS (Id)

Time to put a bullet in Old Yeller, ya know? 

Seller Email address: johntrammell at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu Dec 14 09:02:37 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:02:37 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] For those of you that support Windows XP/2k/2k3
Message-ID: <121420061502.22896.4581678D0007E1AF0000597022070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

An off-line Windows update via CDROM.
Also handy if you have family members using Windows on a dialup.

http://www.heise-security.co.uk/articles/80682 

It uses Windows WSUS software to perform the updates.
You will need a Windows computer with about 3Gig of space to create the CD or DVD.
If you are only updating Windows XP English, a CD will suffice.

--
==========
Todd Young


From markmit at comcast.net  Thu Dec 14 23:45:21 2006
From: markmit at comcast.net (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:45:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Quanta crashing.
Message-ID: <200612142345.21781.markmit@comcast.net>

mark at aptiva:~$ quanta
QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::initiateDrag(QWidget *) to 
QuantaApp::slotTabDragged(QWidget*)
KCrash: Application 'quanta' crashing...

This is on a debian testing system, fully updated.  I tried to 'apt-get 
remove' it, but it wanted to uninstall kde., so I aborted.

Anyone else having this problem?

Mark


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 10:01:34 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:01:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.

Thanks,
Eric


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 10:21:28 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:21:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>

You didn't mention if it's for a home or business. I use Avast both on the
work network and my Windows Box. The Home version is free.

http://www.avast.com

Jason

On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com  Fri Dec 15 10:21:50 2006
From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:21:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3D9EE274D1F3A4EB9AA0488B6C99FC404F2EDEA@lynms601.global.ad.toro.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not 
> sure what buy. Looking for something a little more polished 
> than clamwin and I'd like to stay away from offerings that 
> include a firewall.

I had good luck with Avast when I was still running windoze.

It is free for personal use, and includes a 64bit version.

Bruce


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 10:24:46 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:24:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612150824o1a54476bga5e971384ff753ed@mail.gmail.com>

Well it's for a small business (10 users). Most are offsite and not
regurlarly connected to our domain so corporate products that have
domain features would not be required.

Thanks.

On 12/15/06, jason reynolds <jeruvin at gmail.com> wrote:
> You didn't mention if it's for a home or business. I use Avast both on the
> work network and my Windows Box. The Home version is free.
>
> http://www.avast.com
>
> Jason
>
>
>  On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> > buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> > like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 10:33:09 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:33:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150824o1a54476bga5e971384ff753ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30612150824o1a54476bga5e971384ff753ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0612150833l5dc8b8era9905c2b4c0abaac@mail.gmail.com>

They have trial versions for the managed and professional products. I've got
a mix of managed and not managed AV Clients runnings since some are offsite.

Jason

On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well it's for a small business (10 users). Most are offsite and not
> regurlarly connected to our domain so corporate products that have
> domain features would not be required.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 12/15/06, jason reynolds <jeruvin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You didn't mention if it's for a home or business. I use Avast both on
> the
> > work network and my Windows Box. The Home version is free.
> >
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >  On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> > > buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> > > like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 10:31:06 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:31:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6371f9f0612150831v665d75e8h4ed49ebe2acb75c3@mail.gmail.com>

free.grisoft.com

Free for personal use, it works great.

Ryan

On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From radke at winternet.com  Fri Dec 15 10:23:00 2006
From: radke at winternet.com (Joshua Radke)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:23:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.tklzsmdbeclzwf@jradke.gallipot.com>

If you're interested in seeing in detail what's happening with your kernel,
ClamWin/WinPooch (I haven't run this, but it looks like a very fun techie
toy/solution).
If you're careful, want automated Outlook integration, and known when to
scan a suspicious file, ClamWin seems fine.
Sorry to put this one last, but my favorite (before I found ClamWin) is
AVG Free, available at http://tinyurl.com/kco2f.  They also have an anti-
spyware component that I'm not familiar with.

Best,
Josh

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:01:34 -0600, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



-- 
Dr. Joshua Radke
Gallipot, Inc.
Director Analytical Labs
Direct:  651-389-0936


From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Fri Dec 15 10:27:53 2006
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:27:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061215162753.GB15805@localhost.localdomain>

You need to have a clued in user, but I have used:

winpooch:

http://winpooch.free.fr/

It adds on access scanning to clamav (and has a built in clamav scanner to
do away with clamav installation plus the ability to use other av scanners).

The software is not for folks that don't know what is running on the machine (most
users), but can be good for folks who want to know what is going on.  It can
be tuned via rules to allow the usual background processes to not annoy the
heck out of you (otherwise they pop up on schedule to have you allow or deny the
process).

Kelly Black
KB0GBJ


From robbyt at robbyt.net  Fri Dec 15 10:42:06 2006
From: robbyt at robbyt.net (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:42:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric


Check out the "free" (home-use only) version of grisoft AVG that I always
install on computers that have expired copies of norton of mcafee.
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:01:51 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:01:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0612150901h3a9df5e3tc157d5ff4428feb5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not picking on AVG as I used it for a long time before switching to
Avast for all my solutions and it does a good job. I have had problems with
AVG on some computers where once it is loaded the computer will slow down a
lot, almost like a spyware infection, and would return to normal speed once
uninstalled. So if you load any antivirus and get a slow computer, try
another one.

Jason

On 12/15/06, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> > buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> > like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
>
>
> Check out the "free" (home-use only) version of grisoft AVG that I always
> install on computers that have expired copies of norton of mcafee.
>
>
>
>
>
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:05:43 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:05:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0612150905o4174b2efq9a2d8112c386b6fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> > buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> > like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
>
>
> Check out the "free" (home-use only) version of grisoft AVG that I always
> install on computers that have expired copies of norton of mcafee.
>

Second that - All  family and friend computers that come through my  "shop"
leave with AVG free version.


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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:08:22 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:08:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f663090612150842r562d6991o435c6ae7f33db29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612150908i4b6bf1f7ta1050df83f381d60@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
> On 12/15/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't had to deal with this in a long time and I'm not sure what
> > buy. Looking for something a little more polished than clamwin and I'd
> > like to stay away from offerings that include a firewall.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
>
> Check out the "free" (home-use only) version of grisoft AVG that I always
> install on computers that have expired copies of norton of mcafee.

This is what we have been using, but due to a misunderstanding we
thought they were no longer offering their free version. As it turns
out, they are discontinuing the 7.1 version as of January, but you can
upgrade to the 7.5 version and continue to use it gratis.

Thanks for all the replies!

Eric


From tclug at beitsahour.net  Fri Dec 15 11:21:30 2006
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (tclug at beitsahour.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:21:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30612150824o1a54476bga5e971384ff753ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cone.1166203290.834183.20694.1001@home>

Eric Peterson writes:

> Well it's for a small business (10 users). Most are offsite and not
> regurlarly connected to our domain so corporate products that have
> domain features would not be required.
> 


the i would definately recommend AVG network edition, costs much less than 
the Norton/McAfee corporate editions. Management is much easier with the 
AVGAdmin tool (even does remote installs AND updates, norton will not). 

If the client does not have access to your server then it can update 
itself over the internet from the master AVG server. 

It also has a built in firewall that you can manage from the admin console.

Cons: The admin tool gets some getting used to, it is not always user 
friendly. 

Also i had to uninstall AVG off of a laptop once and the uninstaller 
foobared and left the firewall dll registered but removed the dll, breaking 
networking completely. HiJackThis fixed it though. Could be an anomaly, i 
had to remove AVG for various issues with this computer.

--
Munir Nassar


From robbyt at robbyt.net  Fri Dec 15 14:00:50 2006
From: robbyt at robbyt.net (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:00:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <cone.1166203290.834183.20694.1001@home>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612150821q578c38b6s33a34396c2169a3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30612150824o1a54476bga5e971384ff753ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<cone.1166203290.834183.20694.1001@home>
Message-ID: <1f663090612151200q7fa00df5u9403d9bdd43bfc58@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, tclug at beitsahour.net <tclug at beitsahour.net> wrote:
>
> Eric Peterson writes:
>
> Also i had to uninstall AVG off of a laptop once and the uninstaller
> foobared and left the firewall dll registered but removed the dll,
> breaking
> networking completely. HiJackThis fixed it though. Could be an anomaly, i
> had to remove AVG for various issues with this computer.
>
>
I've seen the windows firewall do the same thing.


so I fixed it by.......... INSTALLING LINUX :-]
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Dec 16 15:46:39 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:46:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612162146.kBGLkdJ12764@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: ViewSonic E70F

Hey all,

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Thanks!


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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Dec 18 05:55:14 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:55:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Not enough memory for VMware?
Message-ID: <1166442914.11601.21.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I've got a machine with 2GB of RAM and 4GB of swap.  I'm running 1 guest
at 128MB of memory and I want to start another guest (128MB to 512MB,
depending on the guest), however vmware keeps telling me that I need to
reduce the amount of memory for the guest or increase the amount of
memory for vmware.  I've already told vmware it can use all of my RAM
and have told vmware it's allowed to swap out most of the memory used by
the guests and I'm still stuck.  This is with vmware server, although I
had the problem with workstation as well.  I've tried running as myself
and root and neither works.  Does anyone know of a way to fix this?

Thanks.


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From wdtj at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 18 08:37:07 2006
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:37:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
Message-ID: <883750.71486.qm@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm working on a project where we'll have an application that has to authenticate a user via ActiveDirectory.  We're going the LDAP route.  I have some questions on extending the ActiveDirectory Schema for our application specific user attributes.

On another project at school, we're looking at setting up a central authentication authority.  This is a homogeneous network with both Windows clients and Fedora Core servers.  I was thinking about trying out Fedora Directory Service, but will the Windows clients authenticate off it like it was ActiveDirectory?  Or is it better to run Samba's domain controller off of LDAP and then use the PAM LDAP for Linux?

Got any good books  on the subject?  Any recommendations?  Any FAQs?  I know LDAP pretty well, just need to know the in's and out's of using it with and as ActiveDirectory.

  
 I saw an  ActiveDirectory Cookbook (O'Riley) at Barnes & Noble this weekend and  thought about picking it up.  The price made me think twice.

Funny how the projects at work always seem to fit in with what we want at school.




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From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 12:52:11 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:52:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
In-Reply-To: <883750.71486.qm@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <883750.71486.qm@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020612181052x3fab8cd1l21f8204dfc22e5f8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm probably going to sound like a Microsoft bigot, but oh well. I'm
really not, I'm just in the boat that OSS is not the best solution for
every job.

Before extending the AD schema, make sure the attributes you're
looking for aren't already there somewhere. Extending the schema is
usually a last resort type of solution. If you are going to undertake
expanding the schema, spend the money on the books.

The best way to deal with windows clients is to run a real Active
Directory server. Usually you want to have at least two Active
Directory servers so you have a backup. If you're running on a SAN and
using virtual machines, you can probably safely get away with no
backup DC. The actual Windows Active Directory is not really for the
authentication, Samba, LDAP, etc. can do that just fine. It's the
group policy features that will keep you same when managing Windows
clients, and to my knowledge group policy has not been fully
duplicated in any 3rd party solution.

On the Linux side of things, I use the pam winbind module to
authenticate active directory users on my Linux servers. It is very
slick and requires no special setup on the Windows AD servers and
minimal configuration on the Linux machines.

If I was asked to implement a mixed environment, I would have to go
with Active Directory. A better solution for dealing with Windows
clients simply does not exist. From there, a Mac server running Open
Directory in Active Directory integrated mode can provide
authentication to Macs, and optionally Unix clients as well. I don't
see a need for a Unix/Linux/BSD/Solaris/whatever server as long as the
Mac server can handle it, and as long as your flavor of Unix uses pam
and the windbind pam module works, you may not even need NIS.

Linux servers for the user's home directory would be ideal. I've got
my Linux servers configured to create home directories automatically
the first time an AD user logs in, and it works well. There could be
room for putting some users on a Windows file server. Volume Shadow
Copy can be quite useful for things like code and other documents that
change frequently. Distributed File System when you're dealing with
multiple branch offices via WAN links, but need to share a set of
files with all locations. I have my software distribution share in a
DFS that is replicated to file servers at the actual locations. It's
saved me plenty of time to update an application installation once
instead of multiple times.

I've been underwhelmed by samba in Mac OSX. On the Mac OSX client OS,
it's rather useless. The Mac OS X server platform is much better, but
if you want to do anything with samba that isn't supported by the GUI
tools you're best bet is to put that configuration into it's own file
and add an include line in the smb.conf.

The downside of Active Directory is the licenses you have to buy from
Microsoft, but if you're organization will be using Exchange you'll
already have to buy the required licenses.

Lastly, if you're implementing a new AD, go with Windows Server 2003,
and go with 2003 native mode. (All domain controllers must be Windows
Server 2003 or above.) AD in Windows Server 2003 is a vast improvement
over Windows 2000's AD. If you're in a Windows 2000 AD, I highly
recommend the upgrade. Having delt with NT4 domains as well as Windows
2000 and Windows 2003 native domains, I would not want to go back from
Windows 2003.

I hope that was helpful on some level... :-)

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Dec 18 13:21:38 2006
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:21:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Re:  LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
Message-ID: <s58695ed.063@mdh-gw9.health.state.mn.us>

Andrew,

>>> "Andrew Zbikowski" <andyzib at gmail.com> 12/18/2006 12:52 PM >>>
>Lastly, if you're implementing a new AD, go with Windows Server 2003,
>and go with 2003 native mode. (All domain controllers must be Windows
>Server 2003 or above.) AD in Windows Server 2003 is a vast
improvement
>over Windows 2000's AD. If you're in a Windows 2000 AD, I highly
>recommend the upgrade. Having delt with NT4 domains as well as
Windows
>2000 and Windows 2003 native domains, I would not want to go back
from
>Windows 2003.

Sorry to veer off into OT-land suddenly, but I would like to know more
about 
why W2K3 AD is better than W2K AD. I might have to upgrade if the
reasons
are compelling.

Troy




From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Dec 18 19:18:33 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:18:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
In-Reply-To: <883750.71486.qm@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <883750.71486.qm@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061218191833.m522mt2nyko48scw@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com>:

> I'm working on a project where we'll have an application that has to 
> authenticate a user via ActiveDirectory.  We're going the LDAP route. 
>  I have some questions on extending the ActiveDirectory Schema for 
> our application specific user attributes.
>
> On another project at school, we're looking at setting up a central 
> authentication authority.  This is a homogeneous network with both 
> Windows clients and Fedora Core servers.  I was thinking about trying 
> out Fedora Directory Service, but will the Windows clients 
> authenticate off it like it was ActiveDirectory?  Or is it better to 
> run Samba's domain controller off of LDAP and then use the PAM LDAP 
> for Linux?
>
<snip>

LDAP is not Active Directory, and vice versa. AD is an amalgam of 
protocols of which LDAP is a piece. There is also Kerberos and some 
other stuff wrapped up in there. You can use an Active Directory server 
as an LDAP store and authenticate against it that way. A Windows client 
will not authenticate seamlessly against an LDAP server without some 
other client software being involved. If you need AD, your best bet 
will be to use Windows as the authentication server and configure your 
Linux boxen to authenticate against that using LDAP or Kerberos. Here's 
an article I found on seting up Linux to authenticate against an AD 
server, might help: 
http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/2318244&tid=102&tid=101&tid=100

Josh


From duff0097 at umn.edu  Tue Dec 19 14:20:45 2006
From: duff0097 at umn.edu (duff0097 at umn.edu)
Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:20:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Robot hacking.
Message-ID: <Prayer.1.0.16.0612191420450.2634@wm0.tc.umn.edu>

Are there any Robot hacking groups in the area? meetup.com doesn't appear 
to have any.

I'm posting on here because I was planning on having it be linux based and 
would be either building a robot or altering one (like Robosapien).

Thanks.

Bryan


From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 14:29:21 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:29:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Robot hacking.
In-Reply-To: <Prayer.1.0.16.0612191420450.2634@wm0.tc.umn.edu>
References: <Prayer.1.0.16.0612191420450.2634@wm0.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0612191229x72cda0c1i3dabc28f8616fd65@mail.gmail.com>

On 19 Dec 2006 14:20:45 -0600, duff0097 at umn.edu <duff0097 at umn.edu> wrote:
> Are there any Robot hacking groups in the area? meetup.com doesn't appear
> to have any.

How's this:
http://www.tcrobots.org/index.html

-Erik


From Vic.Conocchioli at dot.state.mn.us  Tue Dec 19 12:17:07 2006
From: Vic.Conocchioli at dot.state.mn.us (Victor Conocchioli)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:17:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
Message-ID: <s587d85b.062@dot-gwia01.dot.state.mn.us>

If you want nice interoperability with the Active Directory, try looking at Vintela Authentication Services (VAS). It consists of one rpm loaded on to the linux side. This software was recommended to us by Microsoft. (They admitted their own solution is cumbersome and requires a lot of configuration on the AD side). It is owned by Quest Software and has good support. It works nicely with ssh (as well as tectia ssh2), ftp, cvs and they even have an Apache module. Your standard Active Directory Users and Computers program is used on the AD side to manage linux users and groups.

We just upgraded from w2k AD to win 2003 AD a couple of weeks ago and no changes needed to be made on the linux side.


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Dec 20 20:19:11 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:19:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Not enough memory for VMware?
In-Reply-To: <1166442914.11601.21.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1166442914.11601.21.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <1166667551.12176.5.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I removed /etc/vmware/config and ~/.vmware and tried it again today and
now it's working.  I'm able to start up multiple VMs.  Must have had
some broken settings in there.


Although now when I try and change the memory settings and save them
vmware says "Unable to save host settings: No such file or directory".
I was unable to find this via google as well, has someone else seen it?

On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 05:55 -0600, Jon Schewe wrote:
> I've got a machine with 2GB of RAM and 4GB of swap.  I'm running 1 guest
> at 128MB of memory and I want to start another guest (128MB to 512MB,
> depending on the guest), however vmware keeps telling me that I need to
> reduce the amount of memory for the guest or increase the amount of
> memory for vmware.  I've already told vmware it can use all of my RAM
> and have told vmware it's allowed to swap out most of the memory used by
> the guests and I'm still stuck.  This is with vmware server, although I
> had the problem with workstation as well.  I've tried running as myself
> and root and neither works.  Does anyone know of a way to fix this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
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> 
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> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
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From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 22:03:09 2006
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:03:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
Message-ID: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello-

I have a few quick questions about device drivers. I am using Debian Etch:

1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
to a pre-built kernel?

2. I see a file called /etc/modules, and there are 4 entries in it:

ide-cd
ide-disk
ide-generic
psmouse

Are these simply modular drivers? And are they in this file because
the kernel *always* loads them, rather than relying on any kind of
autodetect?

3. How does the kernel know which other drivers to load? Is it just
autodetect or is there a configuration file?

4. If I have a modular driver for an ide disk, and then try booting a
kernel with an ide driver compiled with it, which driver will be used,
the compiled in or the modular?

Thanks!

Kevin


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Dec 20 22:39:49 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:39:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061221043949.GH22485@iucha.net>

On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 10:03:09PM -0600, Kevin Lombardo wrote:
> I have a few quick questions about device drivers. I am using Debian Etch:
> 
> 1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
> to a pre-built kernel?

Look in /boot/config-`uname -r`

> 2. I see a file called /etc/modules, and there are 4 entries in it:
> 
> ide-cd
> ide-disk
> ide-generic
> psmouse
> 
> Are these simply modular drivers? And are they in this file because
> the kernel *always* loads them, rather than relying on any kind of
> autodetect?

Correct.

> 3. How does the kernel know which other drivers to load? Is it just
> autodetect or is there a configuration file?

Both. For extra configuration files look in /etc/modutils/ .

> 4. If I have a modular driver for an ide disk, and then try booting a
> kernel with an ide driver compiled with it, which driver will be used,
> the compiled in or the modular?

Compiled.

florin

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From sac at cheesecake.org  Wed Dec 20 22:41:31 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:41:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061221044130.GA28463@cheesecake.org>

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 at 22.03.09 -0600, Kevin Lombardo wrote:
> 1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
> to a pre-built kernel?

not that i know of, in general.  you can check a few not terribly
interesting things by reading /proc/devices and /proc/filesystems.

> 2. I see a file called /etc/modules, and there are 4 entries in it:
> 
> ide-cd
> ide-disk
> ide-generic
> psmouse
> 
> Are these simply modular drivers? And are they in this file because
> the kernel *always* loads them, rather than relying on any kind of
> autodetect?

i believe they'll be loaded unconditionally at boot if the modules exist.
it's used for stuff that can't be probed like certain scsi cards.

> 3. How does the kernel know which other drivers to load? Is it just
> autodetect or is there a configuration file?

the kernel passes device info to folks like hotplug and udev.

> 4. If I have a modular driver for an ide disk, and then try booting a
> kernel with an ide driver compiled with it, which driver will be used,
> the compiled in or the modular?

the compiled in one will be used.  of course, if your ide driver is
a module and your root filesystem is on an ide disk, neither will be
used.....

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From Vic.Conocchioli at dot.state.mn.us  Wed Dec 20 13:16:43 2006
From: Vic.Conocchioli at dot.state.mn.us (Victor Conocchioli)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:16:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Re:  LDAP/ActiveDirectory Interoperability
Message-ID: <s58937c8.062@dot-gwia01.dot.state.mn.us>


 
 
>>>Victor Conocchioli 12/20/06 12:18 pm >>> 
It basically uses pam and inserts itself in the stack at the beginning. So, what ever application you use must also use pam. Except in the case of Apache, they developed a module (You could also direct Apache to use pam, but there is a little more complexity). It uses kerberos on the AD side, so if you need to go thru a DMZ you need to have 4 ports open. The AD schema does get extended with one program you run on only one domain controller. However, to see the extended schema you need to load an additional msi from Vintela over the normal Microsoftw adminpak.msi. 
 
 
>>>" " <slushpupie at gmail.com> 12/20/06 11:11 am >>> 
On 12/19/06, Victor Conocchioli <Vic.Conocchioli at dot.state.mn.us> wrote: 
>If you want nice interoperability with the Active Directory, try looking at Vintela Authentication Services (VAS). It consists of one rpm loaded on to the linux side. This software was recommended to us by Microsoft. (They admitted their own solution is cumbersome and requires a lot of configuration on the AD side). It is owned by Quest Software and has good support. It works nicely with ssh (as well as tectia ssh2), ftp, cvs and they even have an Apache module. Your standard Active Directory Users and Computers program is used on the AD side to manage linux users and groups. 
> 
>We just upgraded from w2k AD to win 2003 AD a couple of weeks ago and no changes needed to be made on the linux side. 
 
Ive looked at that a few times, but not been able to learn what I 
wanted from the site.  What does it use? A custom nsswitch module? 
Kerberos keytabs? Does it modify the AD schema? 
 
Jay 
 
 
-- 
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http://www.slushpupie.com/ 



From droe at real-time.com  Thu Dec 21 12:29:54 2006
From: droe at real-time.com (Dave Roe)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:29:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
Message-ID: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>

Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?

-- 
Dave Roe		droe at real-time.com



From jgammons at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 13:01:49 2006
From: jgammons at gmail.com (John Gammons)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:01:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
In-Reply-To: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
References: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <13f7f6810612211101y2cd365ddg58cfff56b1c09ba9@mail.gmail.com>

if they are smart... peplink... but i highly doubt that...  but whatever
they use, it will be ethernet, so yeah it will work with pc, mac, and
linux.  if you mean a pcmcia card that they will provide... they probably
won't, but if they do, don't bother, get yourself a nice ubiquity 400mw
card.  it has the atheros chipset, and you can use the madwifi driver.  that
is a very customizable and easy to use driver set.

john

On 12/21/06, Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
> Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?
>
> --
> Dave Roe                droe at real-time.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wdtj at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 13:34:47 2006
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:34:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Re:  modem for mpls wireless
Message-ID: <20061221193448.50663.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, meant this to go to everyone.

Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:33:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
To: John Gammons <jgammons at gmail.com>

 US Internet now has a sign up link for e-mail about the Minneapolis Wireless

http://usinternet.com/wireless/minneapolis-wireless.cfm

I asked them about Linux support.

John Gammons <jgammons at gmail.com> wrote: if they are smart... peplink... but i highly doubt that...  but whatever they use, it will be ethernet, so yeah it will work with pc, mac, and linux.  if you mean a pcmcia card that they will provide... they probably won't, but if they do, don't bother, get yourself a nice ubiquity 400mw card.  it has the atheros chipset, and you can use the madwifi driver.  that is a very customizable and easy to use driver set. 

john

On 12/21/06, Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com>  wrote: Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?

--
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Dec 21 22:56:46 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:56:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061222045646.0D57B74EF@skuld.wookimus.net>

"Kevin Lombardo" <kevin.lombardo at gmail.com>  wrote:
> 1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
> to a pre-built kernel?

The config file used to build the kernel is always found as
/boot/config-`uname -r`. (The `uname -r` replaces the output of your
current kernel release into the command line.  This is a form of input
substitution.)  Some kernels are compiled with the config being found
in the /proc filesystem (I believe it is /proc/sys/kernel/config, or
some such.)  I do not know if the Etch kernels do this or not.  In any
case, the only easy way of finding out what is compiled in, and what
isn't is by looking at that file.  You could do some detective work
and guess based on what you see in dmesg and what you don't see in
/lib/modules/`uname -r`.

> 2. I see a file called /etc/modules, and there are 4 entries in it:
> 
> ide-cd
> ide-disk
> ide-generic
> psmouse
> 
> Are these simply modular drivers? And are they in this file because
> the kernel *always* loads them, rather than relying on any kind of
> autodetect?

Yes, the kernel always loads the modules found in this file.  Some
auto-detection can happen, but some does not.  If you find a module
doesn't load when you need it, then it might be a good idea to stick
it in this file.

> 3. How does the kernel know which other drivers to load? Is it just
> autodetect or is there a configuration file?

In new kernels, udev and in older kernels, hotplug.  These event
watchers can notify scripts, which load drivers.

> 4. If I have a modular driver for an ide disk, and then try booting
> a kernel with an ide driver compiled with it, which driver will be
> used, the compiled in or the modular?

This is what the initrd stuff is all about, initial ram disk.  You
most likely have the package like yaird, initramfs-tools, and mkinitrd
installed.  These are usually called automatically by your kernel
package when it is installed to build a new initrd file in /boot.
This file contains a copy of all the scripts and modules you need in
order to boot your system and mount the root filesystem.  If you need
a modular kernel driver, then list it in /etc/modules and reconfigure
your kernel package or run the tools manually.  For example:

  # apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`

Have fun!
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From jus at krytosvirus.com  Fri Dec 22 00:48:56 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:48:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
In-Reply-To: <13080319.1166727915323.JavaMail.root@sniper35>
References: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
	<13080319.1166727915323.JavaMail.root@sniper35>
Message-ID: <200612220048.56875.jus@krytosvirus.com>

This is the product getting used.
http://www.ruckuswireless.com/ (dont forget to cause a ruckus on their site)

This is what they look like 
http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/

It is basically like a DSL router where your IP address is on the ruckus and 
it performs NAT to an ethernet interface. You can plug a PC, switch, wireless 
AP, etc into it. Think of this service like a DSL or cable, it is just the 
last mile is wireless. You can (if accessible) directly connect to the 
network w/o a ruckus via your own 802.11 equipment.

On Thursday 21 December 2006 13:01, John Gammons wrote:
> if they are smart... peplink... but i highly doubt that...  but whatever
> they use, it will be ethernet, so yeah it will work with pc, mac, and
> linux.  if you mean a pcmcia card that they will provide... they probably
> won't, but if they do, don't bother, get yourself a nice ubiquity 400mw
> card.  it has the atheros chipset, and you can use the madwifi driver. 
> that is a very customizable and easy to use driver set.
>
> john
>
> On 12/21/06, Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com> wrote:
> > Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
> > Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?
> >
> > --
> > Dave Roe                droe at real-time.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Dec 22 06:10:03 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:10:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <20061222045646.0D57B74EF@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061222045646.0D57B74EF@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <1166789403.21461.14.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 22:56 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> "Kevin Lombardo" <kevin.lombardo at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > 1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
> > to a pre-built kernel?
> 
> The config file used to build the kernel is always found as
> /boot/config-`uname -r`. 
How does this config file get there?  I ask because I've built many a
kernel and the only time I find a config file there is when it's been
part of the install of a particular distribution.  Is it standard that
all distributions do this?  Should I be doing it when I compile my own
kernel?  


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From sac at cheesecake.org  Fri Dec 22 06:40:00 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:40:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <1166789403.21461.14.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061222045646.0D57B74EF@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<1166789403.21461.14.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <20061222124000.GA3908@cheesecake.org>

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 at 06.10.03 -0600, Jon Schewe wrote:
> How does this config file get there?  I ask because I've built many a
> kernel and the only time I find a config file there is when it's been
> part of the install of a particular distribution.  Is it standard that
> all distributions do this?  Should I be doing it when I compile my own
> kernel?  

Anything in /boot will get there via distribution-specific tools.  If
you build a kernel yourself, copy it into /boot, adjust your grub
config, etc, then obviously the kernel .config isn't going to get copied
over there.  I don't know how many distributions do it, but it looks like
Debian and SuSE do it.  I don't think there's any great need to do it
yourself when you build your own kernel since you have the .config file
right there in your source tree, and it's in /proc/config.gz if you
built that support in.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 10:29:59 2006
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:29:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b03472520612220829ue536360lde48b8e58c4c1faa@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/06, Kevin Lombardo <kevin.lombardo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello-
>
> I have a few quick questions about device drivers. I am using Debian Etch:
>


Thanks for the answers guys.

One quick question though: if I have and IDE hdd, do I *have* to
compile the IDE driver in to the kernel, or can it be modular? And
does the same apply for any type of hdd, such as SATA?


From strayf at freeshell.org  Fri Dec 22 10:29:30 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:29:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
In-Reply-To: <200612220048.56875.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>	<13080319.1166727915323.JavaMail.root@sniper35>
	<200612220048.56875.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <458C07EA.1080107@freeshell.org>

Interesting looking device. Do you know what they're doing for security?
Are they using WEP or WPA?

-steve

Justin Krejci wrote:
> This is the product getting used.
> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/ (dont forget to cause a ruckus on their site)
> 
> This is what they look like 
> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/
> 
> It is basically like a DSL router where your IP address is on the ruckus and 
> it performs NAT to an ethernet interface. You can plug a PC, switch, wireless 
> AP, etc into it. Think of this service like a DSL or cable, it is just the 
> last mile is wireless. You can (if accessible) directly connect to the 
> network w/o a ruckus via your own 802.11 equipment.
> 
> On Thursday 21 December 2006 13:01, John Gammons wrote:
>> if they are smart... peplink... but i highly doubt that...  but whatever
>> they use, it will be ethernet, so yeah it will work with pc, mac, and
>> linux.  if you mean a pcmcia card that they will provide... they probably
>> won't, but if they do, don't bother, get yourself a nice ubiquity 400mw
>> card.  it has the atheros chipset, and you can use the madwifi driver. 
>> that is a very customizable and easy to use driver set.
>>
>> john
>>
>> On 12/21/06, Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com> wrote:
>>> Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
>>> Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Roe                droe at real-time.com
>>>
>>>


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 10:52:05 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:52:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <b03472520612220829ue536360lde48b8e58c4c1faa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<b03472520612220829ue536360lde48b8e58c4c1faa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <914f813c0612220852m7689b456g2ea3607c74650d74@mail.gmail.com>

> Thanks for the answers guys.
>
> One quick question though: if I have and IDE hdd, do I *have* to
> compile the IDE driver in to the kernel, or can it be modular? And
> does the same apply for any type of hdd, such as SATA?

I can't think of a situation where I would remove an IDE driver from a
running system, so [for me] there is no reason not to compile it in.
To answer your question, (IIRC!) the driver to access your root
partition must be compiled in the kernel, or you must use an
initrd-type solution.

-John


From tj at kewlness.net  Fri Dec 22 11:10:10 2006
From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. Duchene)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:10:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 24, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <mailman.412.1166789464.13277.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.412.1166789464.13277.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <458C1172.5080301@kewlness.net>


> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:29:54 -0600
> From: Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <20061221182954.GA16079 at droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
> Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?
>
>   
If you are asking about "hotspot wireless" as in radio - aka 802.11B-G,
I wouldn't worry too much unless you are using a laptop with a PCMCIA
wireless card.  Those get tricky if the ISP  is running a proprietary
protocol like TurboCell instead of standard 802.11, or worse - there
isn't a Linux driver   You can also solve the problem if you can get an
Ethernet converter, rather than using a PCMCIA card. 
An ethernet converter is basically an external transciever  (for 802.11
or whatever protocol used by the ISP embedded in the firmware) with an
Ethernet RJ-45 port for hookup to whatever hardware you happen to be
using.  All PCs and laptops  have embedded Ethernet, so it saves  A LOT
of time and pain because then there are no drivers required and
practically no setup - just plug it in like a router or hub - you don't
need to worry about your OS as long as you have drivers for your
Ethernet card.

I'd check with the ISP to see what they are using 802.11B-G or something
else - then see if they have or recommend transceiver with an onboard
Ethernet converter.  They make travel sized converters for laptops! =)

Don't accept anything less.  I  know.   I use a 900 series Trango 802.11
transceiver with a theoretical 10 mile range at home, because I live out
in the sticks.  I absolutely refuse to use anything that isn't
terminated with an Ethernet converter.  I just plug-in to the Ethernet
and go - no drivers or setup needed. No special PPP setup, no
XSupplicant, no special drivers, and many hours saved - WEP and
everything else is handled by the firmware before the connection hits
your laptop or PC.

It's just too much hassle any other way.  I wouldn't accept USB,
either.  Those are especially annoying when it comes to drivers. 

Cheers!
T.J.








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T.J.





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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 11:13:15 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:13:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0612220852m7689b456g2ea3607c74650d74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<b03472520612220829ue536360lde48b8e58c4c1faa@mail.gmail.com>
	<914f813c0612220852m7689b456g2ea3607c74650d74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612220913o242c0996k4d5f72b3d6409258@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin,

If you haven't compiled the IDE driver into your kernel (which you
should do if possible), you will need to build an initrd image with
the IDE driver in it like Chad suggested previously.

The same thing goes for root partitions that use LVM. You need to
build an initrd image that has the lvm module so it can load your root
partition and load the kernel with the module in order to continue
booting.

If it's not compiled in the kernel, and you need it to boot your
machine, it needs to be in the initrd image (disclaimer: there may be
something cool that I don't know about that defies the laws of booting
so don't blame me for my ignorance if such a cool thing should exist
:) ).

Eric

On 12/22/06, John T. Hoffoss <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the answers guys.
> >
> > One quick question though: if I have and IDE hdd, do I *have* to
> > compile the IDE driver in to the kernel, or can it be modular? And
> > does the same apply for any type of hdd, such as SATA?
>
> I can't think of a situation where I would remove an IDE driver from a
> running system, so [for me] there is no reason not to compile it in.
> To answer your question, (IIRC!) the driver to access your root
> partition must be compiled in the kernel, or you must use an
> initrd-type solution.
>
> -John
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From sac at cheesecake.org  Fri Dec 22 12:04:16 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:04:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612220913o242c0996k4d5f72b3d6409258@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<b03472520612220829ue536360lde48b8e58c4c1faa@mail.gmail.com>
	<914f813c0612220852m7689b456g2ea3607c74650d74@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30612220913o242c0996k4d5f72b3d6409258@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061222180416.GA5257@cheesecake.org>

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 at 11.13.15 -0600, Eric Peterson wrote:
> The same thing goes for root partitions that use LVM. You need to
> build an initrd image that has the lvm module so it can load your root
> partition and load the kernel with the module in order to continue
> booting.

Well you can build LVM into the kernel, but you still won't be able to hit
your root filesystem until you do a vgscan, so you need a script with a
small ramdisk rootfs that will do that and then pivot_root(8) so you can
continue booting normally.  (There is a script that generates such an
initrd image; google lvm2root.)

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From timo at bolverk.net  Mon Dec 25 11:28:25 2006
From: timo at bolverk.net (Tim Oudin)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:28:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Not enough memory for VMware?
In-Reply-To: <1166667551.12176.5.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <2486357.2591167067705106.JavaMail.root@zimbra>

----- Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> I removed /etc/vmware/config and ~/.vmware and tried it again today
> and
> now it's working.  I'm able to start up multiple VMs.  Must have had
> some broken settings in there.

...and vmserver continues to function normally?  I'm surprised.  Is your networking behaving normally?

> Although now when I try and change the memory settings and save them
> vmware says "Unable to save host settings: No such file or
> directory".
> I was unable to find this via google as well, has someone else seen
> it?

Did you ever find resolution on this?  I'm curious to hear but have little insight to share.  I assume you've already considered permissions on the target directory.  Does the .vmx file exist?  Also, having just come back from VI3 training, our instructor has mentioned that he's seen odd cases where VMware didn't handle spaces and other non alphanumeric characters well.  My own experiences with various VMware products suggest the opposite.  

cheers.

-- 
timo



From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Dec 26 10:15:05 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:15:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  Stable Distributions
Message-ID: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ok ... first off ... I am NOT trying to start any sort of major argument
on the list ... so keep that in mind and please send me your thoughts
and comments off list if at all possible.  I have held off posting this
just because I did not want to hear all kinds of arguments on the list.

So ... here goes.  I am looking for a "stable" "free" Linux
distribution.  Yes ... yes ... that is relatively vague, but let me
clarify a bit as I do have some requirements.

I use Linux for just about all of my work - word processing, number
crunching, email, etc.  I currently have a FC5 distribution on the
system and it is just NOT stable enough (yes I realize it is a
development platform and knew that going in).  I have had to shutdown
and reboot several times in the last few weeks - that is just
unacceptable for what I need and do.

So ... I am looking for a release that is stable, has good drivers, and
has plans to be around for awhile - or has been around for awhile ... i
do not have time to install several distros and see which one I like
either.  

Current system:

Dual Xeon 3.2 Ghz (533 MHz FSB)
	- motherboard is more of a workstation type board.
4 GB RAM
USB - use for printing, would like camera features
Networking - built in gigabit
4 250 GB SATA drives (need good drivers for these)
	- want to have them in a RAID configuration
	- currently using software raid - not happy with it
	- probably will go to PCI slot card for RAID
	- motherboard has hardware RAID
		(but not for this number of drives)

USB and SATA issues SEEM to be my main issues - based on what I can see
in my log files or in terminal windows.

So ... please ... no flaming or ranting ... just experience or comments
relative to different distributions would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Randy




From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:15:00 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:15:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0612260915s4bc6f7c6ke91b95167ff00a98@mail.gmail.com>

I have been a hard-core user of OpenSuSE, but with the last version Novell
released (10.1), it was too unstable for my uses as well.  I moved over to
Ubuntu to try it out (plus it was more light-weight on the older computer I
was putting it on).  I will say that after using it for quite some time now,
I have no urgency to go back to Novell.  If you are a KDE user, go for
Kubuntu.

- Joey

On 12/26/06, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>
> Ok ... first off ... I am NOT trying to start any sort of major argument
> on the list ... so keep that in mind and please send me your thoughts
> and comments off list if at all possible.  I have held off posting this
> just because I did not want to hear all kinds of arguments on the list.
>
> So ... here goes.  I am looking for a "stable" "free" Linux
> distribution.  Yes ... yes ... that is relatively vague, but let me
> clarify a bit as I do have some requirements.
>
> I use Linux for just about all of my work - word processing, number
> crunching, email, etc.  I currently have a FC5 distribution on the
> system and it is just NOT stable enough (yes I realize it is a
> development platform and knew that going in).  I have had to shutdown
> and reboot several times in the last few weeks - that is just
> unacceptable for what I need and do.
>
> So ... I am looking for a release that is stable, has good drivers, and
> has plans to be around for awhile - or has been around for awhile ... i
> do not have time to install several distros and see which one I like
> either.
>
> Current system:
>
> Dual Xeon 3.2 Ghz (533 MHz FSB)
>         - motherboard is more of a workstation type board.
> 4 GB RAM
> USB - use for printing, would like camera features
> Networking - built in gigabit
> 4 250 GB SATA drives (need good drivers for these)
>         - want to have them in a RAID configuration
>         - currently using software raid - not happy with it
>         - probably will go to PCI slot card for RAID
>         - motherboard has hardware RAID
>                 (but not for this number of drives)
>
> USB and SATA issues SEEM to be my main issues - based on what I can see
> in my log files or in terminal windows.
>
> So ... please ... no flaming or ranting ... just experience or comments
> relative to different distributions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From itwontdie at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:42:17 2006
From: itwontdie at gmail.com (Ryan R)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:42:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0612260915s4bc6f7c6ke91b95167ff00a98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<101e49ea0612260915s4bc6f7c6ke91b95167ff00a98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79758ac80612260942n1464c801ib60d6197f5c906d3@mail.gmail.com>

I would not be so quick to jump into a hardware RAID. Make sure your
hardware is supported first. I have a similar system and my hardware
RAID is not supported at this time.  I am currently using a software
RAID. As for most stable GNU/Linux i would have to say Debian
http://www.debian.org/ even though i am a hardcore Gentoo
http://www.gentoo.org/ fan! You may be interested in some tutorials i
have on my site http://infectious.cc/ good luck with the hardware
RAID!

-- 
-Ryan


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:52:15 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:52:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Resuming a lost remote connection - what to use?
Message-ID: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>

My friend & I were having problems with wi-fi signals when trying to
remotely connect to a headless box. At first we were using a remote x
session, but when we lost connection the session would shut down and we were
unable to reconnect until the machine was rebooted. Attempting VNC the
service would still run if we lost connection, but we could not regain
connection to the same session that we were on (:1 for example) and instead
got a logon at :2. I have heard of some other solutions, still looking into
them, but let me pose the question: is there a remote protocol that allows
reconnecting to lost sessions?

Thank you

-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From tclug at natecarlson.com  Tue Dec 26 11:52:36 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:52:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0612261148320.32739@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> So ... I am looking for a release that is stable, has good drivers, and 
> has plans to be around for awhile - or has been around for awhile ... i 
> do not have time to install several distros and see which one I like 
> either.

I'd highly recommend either Debian Etch (pre-release, or wait until it 
comes out), or Ubuntu. Either distro ships with recent kernels (so good 
hardware support), and will be around for awhile, with easy updates to any 
new versions. Etch will also have reasonably long-term support for the 
current distro.

> 4 250 GB SATA drives (need good drivers for these)
> 	- want to have them in a RAID configuration

What level? Raid 5, RAID 0+1?

> 	- currently using software raid - not happy with it

In what way?

> 	- probably will go to PCI slot card for RAID

I'd highly recommend 3ware's 9500SX line, and Adaptec's 2?20SA line. 
(where X is 4 or 8, depending on port count.) Areca's cards are also 
supposed to be great, but I have no experience with them.. support for 
these is included in the 2.6.19 kernel, which unfortunately isn't in Etch 
yet.

> USB and SATA issues SEEM to be my main issues - based on what I can see 
> in my log files or in terminal windows.

I haven't had any problems with either of these devices on recent kernels.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From klieber at gentoo.org  Tue Dec 26 12:00:15 2006
From: klieber at gentoo.org (Kurt Lieber)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:00:15 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Resuming a lost remote connection - what to use?
In-Reply-To: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061226180015.GA4007@mail.lieber.org>

On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 11:52:15AM -0600 or thereabouts, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> is there a remote protocol that allows reconnecting to lost sessions?

The solutions you mentioned were GUI-based -- I'm not sure if that's a
requirement, but otherwise, check out SSH + screen.  It will do exactly
what you're looking for.

--kurt
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Dec 26 11:53:35 2006
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:53:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20061226175335.GE6486@genma.sherohman.org>

On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 10:15:05AM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> So ... I am looking for a release that is stable, has good drivers, and

There ain't much out there that's more stable than Debian's "stable"
branch, although it's frequently filled with versions of packages that
are a year or two old (which is why it's so stable).  If you need more
current versions, I hear that Debian "unstable" is about as solid as
other distros' "stable", but I don't mind the older versions, so I have
too little first-hand experience to say whether that's true or not.

> has plans to be around for awhile - or has been around for awhile ...

Debian's been around long enough to have other distros (Ubuntu, Knoppix,
etc.) based off it and I don't see it going away in the foreseeable
future.

> USB and SATA issues SEEM to be my main issues - based on what I can see
> in my log files or in terminal windows.

My MythTV box is running the current Debian stable off SATA drives and
using a USB keyboard as its primary input device.  I've also used an
external USB drive with it and that's all just worked for me, no
problems at all with either SATA or USB.  (It does have occasional audio
issues, but I'm more inclined to blame that on using the cheap on-board
audio hardware instead of buying a decent sound card for it.)

-- 
I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty
than those attending too small degree of it.
  - Thomas Jefferson


From robbyt at robbyt.net  Tue Dec 26 13:51:37 2006
From: robbyt at robbyt.net (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:51:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0612261148320.32739@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0612261148320.32739@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <1f663090612261151k5100bed9o933e00c0ed7c1ba2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/06, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> > USB and SATA issues SEEM to be my main issues - based on what I can see
> > in my log files or in terminal windows.
>
> I haven't had any problems with either of these devices on recent kernels.
>
>

I agree with Nate's post. Ubuntu/Debian is the way to go. Stable enough for
a desktop, and more importantly has a newer kernel so most of your hardware
will work out-of-the-box.
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 21:33:44 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:33:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Resuming a lost remote connection - what to use?
In-Reply-To: <20061226180015.GA4007@mail.lieber.org>
References: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061226180015.GA4007@mail.lieber.org>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0612261933s7f68801di3cd7b412d8357494@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried FreeNX + NoMachine client?  I believe it will reconnect you
to where you were if the connection is lost.

- Joey

On 12/26/06, Kurt Lieber <klieber at gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 11:52:15AM -0600 or thereabouts, Jordan Peacock
> wrote:
> > is there a remote protocol that allows reconnecting to lost sessions?
>
> The solutions you mentioned were GUI-based -- I'm not sure if that's a
> requirement, but otherwise, check out SSH + screen.  It will do exactly
> what you're looking for.
>
> --kurt
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
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From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 08:25:41 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:25:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>

I've started recommending Microsoft's Defender, for home users instead of
Grisoft's AVG because:
  1.  it will be installed by default in Vista
  2.  it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever
  3.  most home users just need something that will continue updating
definitions (If AVG ever decided to stop offering a free package, then
everybody I've recommended using it will probably have the free AVG
installed with no current definitions just like the trial versions of
Norton)
  4.  it works smoothly with the operating system (It doesn't work with MS
own corporate proxy, therefore I assume that this will only be a consumer
product offered by Microsoft to keep people from moving to Mac or Linux
because of viruses)

-- 
Jeff Rasmussen
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 11:18:07 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:18:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70612270918p56805bb7w8416cac63edc565c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/06, Jeff Rasmussen <jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started recommending Microsoft's Defender, for home users instead of
> Grisoft's AVG because:
>   1.  it will be installed by default in Vista
>   2.  it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever
>   3.  most home users just need something that will continue updating
> definitions (If AVG ever decided to stop offering a free package, then
> everybody I've recommended using it will probably have the free AVG
> installed with no current definitions just like the trial versions of
> Norton)
>   4.  it works smoothly with the operating system (It doesn't work with MS
> own corporate proxy, therefore I assume that this will only be a consumer
> product offered by Microsoft to keep people from moving to Mac or Linux
> because of viruses)
>
> --
> Jeff Rasmussen
> GPG public key 0x9686C12F
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>

Windows Defender is fairly solid but it is only an anti-spyware
solution.  Microsoft has their own pay-for anti-virus solution called
Windows Live OneCare (http://www.windowsonecare.com).  I installed it
when it was still in Beta and had some serious performance issues but
cannot speak to its current state.

Grisoft's free AVG has been around for quite a long time.  It seems to
be a good vehicle for driving attention to their commercial products;
it should be a pretty safe bet to see it stick around long-term.  And
hey... it runs on Linux.

-- 
Donovan Niesen


From robbyt at robbyt.net  Wed Dec 27 12:49:44 2006
From: robbyt at robbyt.net (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:49:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090612271049uc2034e3x13cac73246a38946@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/06, Jeff Rasmussen <jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've started recommending Microsoft's Defender, for home users instead of
> Grisoft's AVG because:
>   1.  it will be installed by default in Vista
>   2.  it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever
>   3.  most home users just need something that will continue updating
> definitions (If AVG ever decided to stop offering a free package, then
> everybody I've recommended using it will probably have the free AVG
> installed with no current definitions just like the trial versions of
> Norton)
>   4.  it works smoothly with the operating system (It doesn't work with MS
> own corporate proxy, therefore I assume that this will only be a consumer
> product offered by Microsoft to keep people from moving to Mac or Linux
> because of viruses)
>
>

"it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever"
<cough-snort-spit>


what? are you kidding? Microsoft is totally planting the seed for future
"microsoft bi-annual software subscription service plan upgrades"

"get all the latest new cool features! be safe from viruses and hackers!
just pay us $49.95 a year"

just wait for it! honestly!

not to toot the linux horn on the linux user's group mailing list... but
linux is pretty darn cool! microsoft is defiantly feeling the pressure from
linux (and perhaps even osx!) The reason that vista is and will be such a
relative nightmare for upgrades is that microsoft is still shipping software
like it's 1993. Discs in boxes at stores? How quant, reminds me of switching
out a stack of 42 floppy disks for windows nt 3.51.

how about a cd that your computer comes with that connects out to the
internet and grabs the latest install every time you run it? How about point
releases with real new features? How about small incremental changes,
instead of huge scary sweeping changes?

ahh but then we're talking cathedral vs. bazaar aren't we? ;)


oh and small new features... they can start with making the copy folder
clock in winxp/2000 show a less retarded average time left
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From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Wed Dec 27 12:54:35 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:54:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1167156011.6489.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1167156011.6489.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <4804.168.86.12.2.1167245675.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:15:05 -0600
> From: Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com>

> So ... here goes.  I am looking for a "stable" "free" Linux
> distribution.  Yes ... yes ... that is relatively vague, but let me
> clarify a bit as I do have some requirements.
>
> I use Linux for just about all of my work - word processing, number
> crunching, email, etc.  I currently have a FC5 distribution on the
> system and it is just NOT stable enough (yes I realize it is a
> development platform and knew that going in).  I have had to shutdown
> and reboot several times in the last few weeks - that is just
> unacceptable for what I need and do.
>
> So ... I am looking for a release that is stable, has good drivers, and
> has plans to be around for awhile - or has been around for awhile ... i
> do not have time to install several distros and see which one I like
> either.

Personally, I'm using Fedora on three laptops and a server and have never
experienced stability issues. I also maintain my company's server that
runs RHEL, and another Fedora development box. I'm really surprised at
your experience.

Since you know Fedora, and it and Red Hat are going to be around a long
time, you might look at RHEL, or its clones CentOS or White Box.
If by "free" you mean GPL, RHEL may be just the ticket. If you mean no
cost, CentOS is a good bet.

Ubuntu has not been as timely with security updates as Red Hat or Fedora.

Chris





From jeruvin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 10:17:17 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:17:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0612270817n2a4fdb99r25b7dd789afa3f51@mail.gmail.com>

According to Microsoft's website "Windows Defender is a free program that
helps protect your computer against pop-ups, slow performance, and security
threats caused by spyware and other unwanted software." [
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx]

Avast or AVG Antivirus protect against Viruses. You need BOTH. I have found
spysweeper to be a pretty decent program for spyware removal if you'd like
something additional to the Windows Defender.

This is also where I recommend using Firefox for the Internet instead of
Internet Explorer.

Jason

On 12/27/06, Jeff Rasmussen <jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've started recommending Microsoft's Defender, for home users instead of
> Grisoft's AVG because:
>   1.  it will be installed by default in Vista
>   2.  it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever
>   3.  most home users just need something that will continue updating
> definitions (If AVG ever decided to stop offering a free package, then
> everybody I've recommended using it will probably have the free AVG
> installed with no current definitions just like the trial versions of
> Norton)
>   4.  it works smoothly with the operating system (It doesn't work with MS
> own corporate proxy, therefore I assume that this will only be a consumer
> product offered by Microsoft to keep people from moving to Mac or Linux
> because of viruses)
>
> --
> Jeff Rasmussen
> GPG public key 0x9686C12F
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From auditodd at comcast.net  Wed Dec 27 10:14:21 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:14:21 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
Message-ID: <122720061614.26703.45929BDD0006BA0A0000684F22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I wouldn't recommend MS Defender precisely for reason 1.
Just like IE being "built into" the Windows OS means that there is much greater chance of vulnerability.

PLUS if you pay MS enough $$$ they will "downgrade" the threat status of your spyware. I can't remember the exact incident (or the company), but it did happen last year. 

I've been using AVG now for over 5 years and they haven't stopped the free updates.
Even if they did, I would simply recommend to everyone using it to simply pay for the subscription as they have done an excellent job so far of protecting my Windows computers (including friends and family).

As for #4, since when has anything "worked smoothly" when integrated into an MS Windows OS? 
:-) 

--
==========
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jeff Rasmussen" <jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com>
> I've started recommending Microsoft's Defender, for home users instead of
> Grisoft's AVG because:
>   1.  it will be installed by default in Vista
>   2.  it looks like Microsoft will likely not charge for it, ever
>   3.  most home users just need something that will continue updating
> definitions (If AVG ever decided to stop offering a free package, then
> everybody I've recommended using it will probably have the free AVG
> installed with no current definitions just like the trial versions of
> Norton)
>   4.  it works smoothly with the operating system (It doesn't work with MS
> own corporate proxy, therefore I assume that this will only be a consumer
> product offered by Microsoft to keep people from moving to Mac or Linux
> because of viruses)
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Rasmussen
> GPG public key 0x9686C12F


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From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 10:14:32 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:14:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Resuming a lost remote connection - what to use?
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0612261933s7f68801di3cd7b412d8357494@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll second NoMachine and FreeNX but VNC should maintain the session if you
specify the screen that was used :1 or :2.  Or you can choose the screen by
using port numbers like ::5901 or ::5908

vnc ip.address :1
or
vnc ip.address::5901

On 12/26/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried FreeNX + NoMachine client?  I believe it will reconnect you
> to where you were if the connection is lost.
>
> - Joey
>
> On 12/26/06, Kurt Lieber <klieber at gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 11:52:15AM -0600 or thereabouts, Jordan Peacock
> > wrote:
> > > is there a remote protocol that allows reconnecting to lost sessions?
> >
> > The solutions you mentioned were GUI-based -- I'm not sure if that's a
> > requirement, but otherwise, check out SSH + screen.  It will do exactly
> > what you're looking for.
> >
> > --kurt
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>


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From thecubic at thecubic.net  Wed Dec 27 13:50:53 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:50:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <4804.168.86.12.2.1167245675.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <mailman.3.1167156011.6489.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<4804.168.86.12.2.1167245675.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <200612271351.04765.thecubic@thecubic.net>

I second that (good) Fedora experience, with 4 servers, one enterprise 
workstation, a desktop and a few other miscellaneous machines.  The only 
crashing I've experienced is when the workstation's capacitors went bad; 
definitely not something Fedora could help.  Oh, and 380 RHEL servers 
professionally, which either have hardware problems or application problems 
but rarely operating system problems.

If you're having a driver stability problem, the distribution may not make 
that much of a difference.  About 99% of the core software is the same.  What 
driver are you having a problem with?

-Dave

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:54, Chris Schumann wrote:
> Personally, I'm using Fedora on three laptops and a server and have never
> experienced stability issues. I also maintain my company's server that
> runs RHEL, and another Fedora development box. I'm really surprised at
> your experience.
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Dec 27 15:20:23 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:20:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0612270817n2a4fdb99r25b7dd789afa3f51@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612270817n2a4fdb99r25b7dd789afa3f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061227212023.C52736827@skuld.wookimus.net>

IANAWU, but what about the team of ClamWin and Winpooch? ([1]_, [2]_)
ClamWin is the Windows GUI to ClamAntivirus, and Winpooch is the
real-time file monitor that enables clamwin to scan files as they are
accessed, modified, or created.

Add in Spybot-S&D[3]_, and you should have a killer team against SPAM,
viruses, trojans and spyware!

.. 1. http://www.clamwin.com
.. 2. http://winpooch.sf.net
.. 3. http://www.safer-networking.org/

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 15:24:21 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:24:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0612261148320.32739@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <1167149705.3256.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0612261148320.32739@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020612271324s634e0ef9r7dc123c4790f3cdb@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu 6.06 LTS would be a good place to start if you're looking at
Ubuntu. If you need something newer you can easily jump up to the
latest Ubuntu release (currently Ubuntu 6.10) easily. The LTS (Long
Term Support) is a release that will be supported by Ubuntu longer
than the non LTS releases. (Support meaning security updates and paid
support.)

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 16:02:23 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:02:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <20061227212023.C52736827@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612270817n2a4fdb99r25b7dd789afa3f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061227212023.C52736827@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30612271402l480266c3xe9b38e57ce51271@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/06, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
> IANAWU, but what about the team of ClamWin and Winpooch? ([1]_, [2]_)
> ClamWin is the Windows GUI to ClamAntivirus, and Winpooch is the
> real-time file monitor that enables clamwin to scan files as they are
> accessed, modified, or created.
>
> Add in Spybot-S&D[3]_, and you should have a killer team against SPAM,
> viruses, trojans and spyware!
>
> .. 1. http://www.clamwin.com
> .. 2. http://winpooch.sf.net
> .. 3. http://www.safer-networking.org/

Unless ClamWin has significantly improved its performance since 1-1.5
years ago (very possible, 1 year is a long time in the OSS world), I
wouldn't recommend it to everyday users. I don't have any real data,
but scans were taking significantly longer to run versus commercial
products such as Symantec. I also made the mistake of trying the
Outlook plugin which brought Outlook to its knees.

Hopefully it has improved because it would be great to have a cross
platform AV solution that was open source and freely available -- aka
clamav.

Winpooch looks interesting. Since Chad is NAWU, can anyone else
comment on its effectiveness and stability?


From shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com  Wed Dec 27 20:12:12 2006
From: shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:12:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  Stable Distributions
In-Reply-To: <200612271351.04765.thecubic@thecubic.net>
References: <mailman.3.1167156011.6489.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>	<4804.168.86.12.2.1167245675.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
	<200612271351.04765.thecubic@thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <459327FC.8080803@cruiskeenconsulting.com>

Dave Carlson wrote:
> I second that (good) Fedora experience, with 4 servers, one enterprise 
> workstation, a desktop and a few other miscellaneous machines.  The only 
> crashing I've experienced is when the workstation's capacitors went bad; 
> definitely not something Fedora could help.  Oh, and 380 RHEL servers 
> professionally, which either have hardware problems or application problems 
> but rarely operating system problems.
>
> If you're having a driver stability problem, the distribution may not make 
> that much of a difference.  About 99% of the core software is the same.  What 
> driver are you having a problem with?
>
> -Dave
>   
Yes - I've for a long time now been a big fan of using CentOS on my
production servers, and using Fedora Core on desktops where I really
care about the latest widgets.  If you are happy with Fedora from other
viewpoints, I'd look at CentOS. 

On the other hand, I'm REALLY surprised at your stability experience. 
My main problem with using Fedora on servers is
the short lifespan of support, not with its inherent stability (though
keeping up with the updates on a recent release is an interesting issue
on Fedora).
> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:54, Chris Schumann wrote:
>   
>> Personally, I'm using Fedora on three laptops and a server and have never
>> experienced stability issues. I also maintain my company's server that
>> runs RHEL, and another Fedora development box. I'm really surprised at
>> your experience.
>>     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:15:36 -0600
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From slushpupie at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 09:51:09 2006
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:51:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] device drivers
In-Reply-To: <1166789403.21461.14.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <b03472520612202003u2379d24dkefbc58c2c3c58bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061222045646.0D57B74EF@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<1166789403.21461.14.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <ace41e70612290751q74ad5b50j7d470b982264f8af@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/06, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 22:56 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > "Kevin Lombardo" <kevin.lombardo at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > 1. Is there a way to tell which device drivers have been compiled in
> > > to a pre-built kernel?
> >
> > The config file used to build the kernel is always found as
> > /boot/config-`uname -r`.
> How does this config file get there?  I ask because I've built many a
> kernel and the only time I find a config file there is when it's been
> part of the install of a particular distribution.  Is it standard that
> all distributions do this?  Should I be doing it when I compile my own
> kernel?

It has become more or less a standard among kernel packagers to
provide the config, and that location makes sense. Some distros
provide the config in other ways, I dont think its a standard
location.  All debian provided kernel packages will have the config
there, though.  If you build your own kernel, I suggest keeping a copy
there for your own reference, but nothing actually relies on it
directly.


-- 
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/


From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 15:41:40 2006
From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:41:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: what does everyone recommend for Windows AV?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30612271402l480266c3xe9b38e57ce51271@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30612150801w681c794en847ac17abf1f3b04@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d6c82530612270625j5f168907p3ee48b09dd7a5d5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0612270817n2a4fdb99r25b7dd789afa3f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061227212023.C52736827@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<579c6fd30612271402l480266c3xe9b38e57ce51271@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d3948c70612291341i7ab6bcb2ka37b1db28b1925f3@mail.gmail.com>

My notes/pastes for all suggestions windows AVs as of this afternoon Fri,
Dec 29th.

Free Antivirus/AntiSpyware Software

ClamWin Free Antivirus (free, open-source)
   http://clamwin.com/

   Article: Using ClamWin Free Antivirus to replace proprietary anti-virus
software
   http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/clamwin_test/

AVG Antivirus (may slow computer)
   http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-virus-free/lng/us/tpl/v5

   I would definitely recommend AVG network edition

Avast! 4 Home Antivirus (free for home)
  http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

Winpooch Watchdog - Anti-spyware and Anti-trojan (open source)
   http://winpooch.sf.net/
   http://winpooch.free.fr/

  It adds on access scanning to clamav (and has a built in clamav scanner to
  do away with clamav installation plus the ability to use other av
scanners).

  The software is not for folks that don't know what is running on the
machine (most
  users), but can be good for folks who want to know what is going on.  It
can
  be tuned via rules to allow the usual background processes to not annoy
the
  heck out of you (otherwise they pop up on schedule to have you allow or
deny the
  process)

Spybot Search&Destroy - Anti-spyware (free)
   http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

Microsoft Windows Defender - Antispyware (free for now)
   http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

Windows Live OneCare  - Antivirus (pay)
   http://www.windowsonecare.com
   Microsoft has their own pay-for anti-virus solution called
   Windows Live OneCare (http://www.windowsonecare.com).  I installed it
   when it was still in Beta and had some serious performance issues but
   cannot speak to its current state.
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 15:43:52 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:43:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Resuming a lost remote connection - what to use?
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530612270814tb3a59a1r51456531097c0c77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250612260952i112ff3b9l6bbad9d3569b58fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061226180015.GA4007@mail.lieber.org>
	<101e49ea0612261933s7f68801di3cd7b412d8357494@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <bada98250612291343q19f9e430y851c094b7e5f5cc3@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to all who wrote in regarding remote connections. I'll be
checking into them and may post a follow-up when things get working. Thank
you

-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:40:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200612301540.kBUFe4Q05227@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sat Dec 30 11:18:04 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:18:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] modem for mpls wireless
In-Reply-To: <8014191.1166806296934.JavaMail.root@sniper45>
References: <20061221182954.GA16079@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
	<200612220048.56875.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<8014191.1166806296934.JavaMail.root@sniper45>
Message-ID: <200612301118.05102.jus@krytosvirus.com>

Right now there is no encryption for client connections.
There are plans for enabling a client encryted session, most likely using an 
additional software package/vpn client type thing.

On Friday 22 December 2006 10:29, Steve Cayford wrote:
> Interesting looking device. Do you know what they're doing for security?
> Are they using WEP or WPA?
>
> -steve
>
> Justin Krejci wrote:
> > This is the product getting used.
> > http://www.ruckuswireless.com/ (dont forget to cause a ruckus on their
> > site)
> >
> > This is what they look like
> > http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/
> >
> > It is basically like a DSL router where your IP address is on the ruckus
> > and it performs NAT to an ethernet interface. You can plug a PC, switch,
> > wireless AP, etc into it. Think of this service like a DSL or cable, it
> > is just the last mile is wireless. You can (if accessible) directly
> > connect to the network w/o a ruckus via your own 802.11 equipment.
> >
> > On Thursday 21 December 2006 13:01, John Gammons wrote:
> >> if they are smart... peplink... but i highly doubt that...  but whatever
> >> they use, it will be ethernet, so yeah it will work with pc, mac, and
> >> linux.  if you mean a pcmcia card that they will provide... they
> >> probably won't, but if they do, don't bother, get yourself a nice
> >> ubiquity 400mw card.  it has the atheros chipset, and you can use the
> >> madwifi driver. that is a very customizable and easy to use driver set.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> On 12/21/06, Dave Roe <droe at real-time.com> wrote:
> >>> Can someone tell me what modem US Internet will use for it's hosting of
> >>> Minneapolis' wireless network and if it is linux friendly?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Roe                droe at real-time.com
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 27 12:41:18 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:41:18 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1172620112.2099.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

give back changes - they are happy to do it anyway, because they want
those fixes in the next version that you release.

And what is gained by keeping your competitors from using your
program?  You aren't suffering a financial loss, unless you are
charging in a different way - such as for support.  You aren't losing
developers, because the competitors developers aren't going to work on
your program for you just because it's GPL.

I just don't see any way that the GPL license itself is going to drive
more developers to your code.