From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 06:30:58 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:30:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <43DFC90F.4070505@druswanderings.net>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>
	<1f729feb0601311150y64467ca1k3555f700409c428b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFC90F.4070505@druswanderings.net>
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>>$ sudo apt-get install liborbit2-dev libgnomeui-dev

That got me there, thanks!  Now, alas, I have new problem.  I compiled
successfully, but when I try to run
$ gdesklets shell
I get this:

--
You're running gDesklets for the first time.
gDesklets will start a requirements check now...

Checking requirements:
 - sys ... found
 - xml.parsers.expat ... found
 - xml.sax ... found
 - gtk ... found
 - ORBit ... missing
Version check failed.

ORBit python bindings (pyorbit) version == 2.0.1 are required.

Please make sure that the required software is installed.
Also try to avoid having multiple versions of a library/binding on your
system.
gDesklets won't work if you don't have all necessary dependencies installed
on your system.

THE STARTUP WILL BE CANCELLED NOW!
--

Which is odd, because I do have pyorbit installed, it's a dependency of
gdesklets.

On 1/31/06, The Wandering Dru <dru at druswanderings.net > wrote:
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> > I have 0.35.2, but it gives me problems with SideCandy desklets and
> > having multiples of a desklet (more than one application launcher, for
> > instance).  I suppose if I'm willing to wait a few months, 0.35.3 will
> > be ready for the Dapper release, but I've never been a patient man.
> >
>
> Apparently the README assumes you have a full gnome development setup.
> This should do ya...
>
> $ sudo apt-get install liborbit2-dev libgnomeui-dev
>
>
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From florin at iucha.net  Wed Feb  1 07:45:33 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:45:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <1138770427.7457.29.camel@linux.site>
References: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1138770427.7457.29.camel@linux.site>
Message-ID: <20060201134533.GU2191@iucha.net>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:07:07PM -0600, Larry Tordsen wrote:
> Basically, you use malloc when you dont know how big of an area of
> memory you need.  The compiler  allots some memory for your program when
> it is compiled.  If your program steps over the boundry, you get your
> friendly 'segmentation fault' error.

If you step over the boundary of your heap, you get the segmentation
fault exception.

>                                       You can use realloc to reallocate
> your array if you approach the size of your initial region.  I think
> posix says the contents are indeterminate (its changed between c89 and
> c99),

Nope, it is not changing. The pointer you use to access the object
might change, but the old contents will be moved:
   http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/realloc.html

(This is SuSv2 but my book on SuSv3 has an identical entry on
realloc.)

>        but i've never seen a compiler handle the realloc in an
> undesireable way (ie you lose the values from your previous malloc).

It is a library function, part of the UNIX API, not a compiler intrinsic.
That's why it is specified by Posix/SuS and not by c89/c99.

florin

> I hope that is clear enough.

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From florin at iucha.net  Wed Feb  1 07:52:53 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:52:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] size objdump discrepency
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References: <20060201042834.21540.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060201135253.GV2191@iucha.net>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:28:34PM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> If I have a simple program...
[SNIP]
> You see that objdump object file says text is size 23,
> while size says it's 48. There's a 25 byte
> discrepency. Why? It seems to be the exact size of the
> entire printf... line in the code (plus a \0?). Any ideas?

My idea after all your questions is that we hare helping you with the
homework... But I might be wrong.

florin

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From dru at druswanderings.net  Wed Feb  1 08:32:19 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:32:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
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Pete Daniels wrote:

> That got me there, thanks!  Now, alas, I have new problem.  I compiled
> successfully, but when I try to run
> $ gdesklets shell
> I get this:
> 
> --
> You're running gDesklets for the first time.
> gDesklets will start a requirements check now...
> 
> Checking requirements:
>  - sys ... found
>  - xml.parsers.expat ... found
>  - xml.sax ... found
>  - gtk ... found
>  - ORBit ... missing
> Version check failed.
> 
> ORBit python bindings (pyorbit) version == 2.0.1 are required.
> 
<snip>
> 
> Which is odd, because I do have pyorbit installed, it's a dependency of
> gdesklets.
> 

Not real sure what to tell you here.  Just for funsies, I compiled and
installed to my local home directory(also a ubuntu breezy system).  It
worked without a hitch.

A "dpkg -l *orbit*" tells me the following are installed:

ii  liborbit2               2.12.4-0ubuntu1
ii  liborbit2-dev           2.12.4-0ubuntu1
ii  python-pyorbit          2.0.1-2ubuntu3
ii  python2.4-pyorbit       2.0.1-2ubuntu3

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From shanson at cruiskeen.com  Wed Feb  1 08:37:35 2006
From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:37:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <43E0C7AF.2030907@cruiskeen.com>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> Maybe third time will be the charm?
> 
> Current web site is static and entry into making changes "high". So, I put up 
> Zope in the hope of getting more community involment. It totally flopped.
> 
> Got a couple volunteers to help with Zope and get a framework in place, but it 
> again totally flopped.
> 
> So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal. Comments?
> 
> Any other CMS we should be looking at?
> 
Since I managed to completely botch my first response by sending it from
the wrong email address:-)

I've been working some with Drupal and CivicSpace, and am currently
working on a web site design for a client in CivicSpace. It takes a
while to grow on you, but it's very flexible and powerful. Though as
someone else mentioned, you do want to tear your hair out for a while.
But I'm quickly growing to like it, particularly for community-building
web sites.

I'm also thinking about trying to start up a Linux group over here in
western Wisconsin and if that gets going I intend to build its web site
in Drupal, so that might give us some synergy --- just a thought.

I'd be glad to help out some if you're interested in doing it in either
Drupal or Joomla!, the two CMS systems I know something about.


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Feb  1 08:51:01 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy
Message-ID: <36445.64.8.148.29.1138805461.squirrel@lctn.org>

We put in some new 5 Ghz radios and I need to connect to them for
management. This card is recommended by some Linux users:

Cisco Aironet 802.11a/b/g wireless cardbus adapter

Is it a good choice for a Linux laptop?

Raymond



From bhurt at spnz.org  Wed Feb  1 09:18:04 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:18:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010915390.25041@localhost.localdomain>



On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Okay, when I use a malloc or alloca, I'm grabbing heap
> memory, but if I just initialize a variable, array,
> etc. and fill it with stuff, I'm using stack
> "automatic" memory, right? But of course a malloc
> inside a function uses heap. And in general if you
> don't know or have big memory needs, use heap memory,
> right?

alloca allocates from the stack as well, like local variables.  Which is 
why it automatically goes away when you return from the function you 
alloca()'d in.

But yeah, if you're allocating large hunks of memory, do it on the heap 
and not on the stack.  The stack is limited (often to only a few 
megabytes), to prevent things like infinite recursion.  Heap is only 
limited by the address space limitations (and the total amount of 
memory+swap on the computer).

Brian



From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed Feb  1 09:23:16 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:23:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy
In-Reply-To: <36445.64.8.148.29.1138805461.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <36445.64.8.148.29.1138805461.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010921530.22463@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:
> We put in some new 5 Ghz radios and I need to connect to them for 
> management. This card is recommended by some Linux users:

Wow - that's unusual.. don't see many people installing 802.11a anymore!

> Cisco Aironet 802.11a/b/g wireless cardbus adapter
>
> Is it a good choice for a Linux laptop?

Sure, that'll be fine.

If you've got a MiniPCI slot with an antenna installed in your laptop, 
I've had good luck with the Intel PRO/Wireless 2915 A/B/G card, as ships 
with Dell (and other) laptops.

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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Feb  1 09:37:39 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:37:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010921530.22463@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <36445.64.8.148.29.1138805461.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010921530.22463@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <41683.64.8.148.29.1138808259.squirrel@lctn.org>


> Wow - that's unusual.. don't see many people installing 802.11a anymore!

The radios connect schools many miles apart. What would you be using
rather than 802.11a?






From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed Feb  1 09:41:46 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:41:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy
In-Reply-To: <41683.64.8.148.29.1138808259.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <36445.64.8.148.29.1138805461.squirrel@lctn.org>   
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010921530.22463@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<41683.64.8.148.29.1138808259.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602010940470.22463@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:
> The radios connect schools many miles apart. What would you be using 
> rather than 802.11a?

Oh, when you said "radios", I just assumed you meant local AP's. :)

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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  1 11:06:58 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:06:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <20060201134533.GU2191@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20060201170658.22268.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, if you think that, don't help me! In reality I'm
a new grad student who never really learned any of
this stuff before (in my 15+ years of database and Web
programming), but who now is expected to run labs on
it. Actually the previously prepared labs I was handed
were much duller, simpler, rote, but I insist on
giving the
students more. These questions I ask are for an OS
course and an intro Sys Programming class. My
university is not a top university, but I'm struggling
to learn, and struggling to present this material to
my students.

I'm already 50 years old, but I came back to grad
school because I want to learn--and to get out of the
Dilbert scene which is all I've really known in the
working computer world.

So, again, take it or leave it! If I don't get answers
from TCLUG, I'll just go somewhere else to build up my
knowledge bank.

BTW, I'm taking classes in Programming Languages
(Robert Sebesta) and Algorithms (Thomas Corman,
et.al.), so if I ask any questions about these
subjects, yes, I'm cheating, don't answer them!

Olwe

--- Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:07:07PM -0600, Larry
> Tordsen wrote:
> > Basically, you use malloc when you dont know how
> big of an area of
> > memory you need.  The compiler  allots some memory
> for your program when
> > it is compiled.  If your program steps over the
> boundry, you get your
> > friendly 'segmentation fault' error.
> 
> If you step over the boundary of your heap, you get
> the segmentation
> fault exception.
> 
> >                                       You can use
> realloc to reallocate
> > your array if you approach the size of your
> initial region.  I think
> > posix says the contents are indeterminate (its
> changed between c89 and
> > c99),
> 
> Nope, it is not changing. The pointer you use to
> access the object
> might change, but the old contents will be moved:
>   
>
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/realloc.html
> 
> (This is SuSv2 but my book on SuSv3 has an identical
> entry on
> realloc.)
> 
> >        but i've never seen a compiler handle the
> realloc in an
> > undesireable way (ie you lose the values from your
> previous malloc).
> 
> It is a library function, part of the UNIX API, not
> a compiler intrinsic.
> That's why it is specified by Posix/SuS and not by
> c89/c99.
> 
> florin
> 
> > I hope that is clear enough.
> 
> -- 
> Don't question authority: they don't know either!
> > _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


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From florin at iucha.net  Wed Feb  1 12:17:57 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:17:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning and researching Was: Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <20060201170658.22268.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060201134533.GU2191@iucha.net>
	<20060201170658.22268.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060201181757.GW2191@iucha.net>

On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 09:06:58AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Well, if you think that, don't help me! In reality I'm
> a new grad student who never really learned any of
> this stuff before (in my 15+ years of database and Web
> programming), but who now is expected to run labs on
> it. Actually the previously prepared labs I was handed
> were much duller, simpler, rote, but I insist on
> giving the
> students more. These questions I ask are for an OS
> course and an intro Sys Programming class. My
> university is not a top university, but I'm struggling
> to learn, and struggling to present this material to
> my students.

Please look yourself in the mirror and ask you are doing those
students a service or not. I always had troubles where the teacher was
"learning" the subject matter as he went along. Especially on hard
topics. C and systems programming are *hard* topics.

Have you considered Java or Python for starting out in programming?
As a beginner you get mired in memory allocations and strings and hash
maps which are hard to get right even by "proffesionals".

> I'm already 50 years old, but I came back to grad
> school because I want to learn--and to get out of the
> Dilbert scene which is all I've really known in the
> working computer world.
> 
> So, again, take it or leave it! If I don't get answers
> from TCLUG, I'll just go somewhere else to build up my
> knowledge bank.
> 
> BTW, I'm taking classes in Programming Languages
> (Robert Sebesta) and Algorithms (Thomas Corman,
> et.al.), so if I ask any questions about these
> subjects, yes, I'm cheating, don't answer them!

There is nothing wrong with building a knowledge bank, but part of
that is learning to do the research. This includes RTFM and STFW/G.

Please read this:
   http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

florin

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Feb  2 16:12:20 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:12:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602022212.k12MCKq31862@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: HP K9000 for free

I've had this HP K9000 for about 2 years in my basement.  I'm moving to a new house and I don't want this to travel with me - it's been great for rack space though.  If you're into cool computers this is it - it has HPUX 11i on it and it boots fine - though I haven't played much with it at all.  Comes with hpux cd's and manuals (if I can find em)

Willing to help with moving if you need it.

Seller Email address: josh at trutwins dot homeip dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From rharding at mitechie.com  Thu Feb  2 20:00:00 2006
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:00:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] anyone get vmware player on debian?
Message-ID: <5C713984-F787-4A72-934C-5E3327673C9B@mitechie.com>

  anyone get VMWare Player working on debian? I am trying to get  
vmware player going on my debian desktop using testing. I started out  
following these instructions:

http://apt-get.biffster.org/2006/01/vmware-player-or-thank-you-vmware

Of course I run the install script and when I get to

What is the location of the directory of C header files that match  
your running
kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]

I put in: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686/include

uname -r results in: 2.6.12-1-686

I end up getting the error:

The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686/include" is a kernel  
header file
directory, but it is not part of kernel source tree.

Anyone have an english version of what I am missing here?

Thanks

Rick


From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Thu Feb  2 23:01:19 2006
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:01:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <200602022212.k12MCKq31862@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200602022212.k12MCKq31862@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <43E2E39F.8080000@trutwins.homeip.net>

Here is a link to a photo:

http://trutwins.homeip.net/k9000.jpg

Josh

TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
> 
> Category: Computer
> 
> Type of Ad: For Free
> 
> Subject: HP K9000 for free
> 
> I've had this HP K9000 for about 2 years in my basement.  I'm moving to a new house and I don't want this to travel with me - it's been great for rack space though.  If you're into cool computers this is it - it has HPUX 11i on it and it boots fine - though I haven't played much with it at all.  Comes with hpux cd's and manuals (if I can find em)
> 
> Willing to help with moving if you need it.
> 
> Seller Email address: josh at trutwins dot homeip dot net
> 
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Thu Feb  2 23:25:07 2006
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:25:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
Message-ID: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>

I seem to be finding a lot of conflicting views on whether or not to 
put swap in a RAID1 array or to stripe them using something like this 
in fstab:

/dev/sda2       none            swap    sw,pri=1        0       0
/dev/sdb2       none            swap    sw,pri=1        0       0

Any thoughts on this issue?  I had assumed that putting swap in the 
RAID and having one partition (say /dev/md2) as the swap partition was 
the way to go but some netizens argue that this is a performance 
problem and that if one drive goes bad it'll still boot ok even though 
one of the swap partitions is dead.

Also - I'm in the process of copying the partitions from my primary 
drive to a new drive and when I run cfdisk, /dev/sda1 is shown as 
"Dell Utility" - is this something I should try to mirror?  I'm not 
sure how to do that since it doesn't have a mount point.  Right now I 
have a partition for it on the new disk but it'll be empty and only 
exist on the first disk.

Thanks,

Josh


From rharding at mitechie.com  Fri Feb  3 06:03:54 2006
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:03:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] anyone get vmware player on debian?
In-Reply-To: <43E2D71E.4000403@visi.com>
References: <5C713984-F787-4A72-934C-5E3327673C9B@mitechie.com>
	<43E2D71E.4000403@visi.com>
Message-ID: <BE68004F-DBDE-4637-B04D-D934C1D68E05@mitechie.com>


On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:07 PM, Sam MacDonald wrote:

> It's looking for the source code, do you have src installed?
> If not install it.
> If you do point to it.

I did install the linux headers package. That's why I was giving it  
the path /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686/linux

What other source code are you thinking?

Thanks

Rick


>
>
> Richard Harding wrote:
>
>>  anyone get VMWare Player working on debian? I am trying to get   
>> vmware player going on my debian desktop using testing. I started  
>> out  following these instructions:
>>
>> http://apt-get.biffster.org/2006/01/vmware-player-or-thank-you-vmware
>>
>> Of course I run the install script and when I get to
>>
>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that  
>> match  your running
>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
>>
>> I put in: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686/include
>>
>> uname -r results in: 2.6.12-1-686
>>
>> I end up getting the error:
>>
>> The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686/include" is a  
>> kernel  header file
>> directory, but it is not part of kernel source tree.
>>
>> Anyone have an english version of what I am missing here?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>



From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 07:21:33 2006
From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/06, Josh Trutwin <josh at trutwins.homeip.net> wrote:
>
>
> Any thoughts on this issue?  I had assumed that putting swap in the
> RAID and having one partition (say /dev/md2) as the swap partition was
> the way to go but some netizens argue that this is a performance
> problem and that if one drive goes bad it'll still boot ok even though
> one of the swap partitions is dead.
>

I'm more interested in the machine staying up (as opposed to just booting
up) if one of the swap drives dies, so I put swap on a RAID 1 partition. My
server is lightly loaded, and I may not be able to get to it fix it for
several days at a time, so staying up is most important to me than absolute
maximum swap performance.


> Also - I'm in the process of copying the partitions from my primary
> drive to a new drive and when I run cfdisk, /dev/sda1 is shown as
> "Dell Utility" - is this something I should try to mirror?


I believe that's the partiton that Dell keeps various diagnostic utilities
on. If you wanted to copy it to the new disk, you could, but it won't be
getting mounted under linux. Nothing to you need to try to RAID.

Steve
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From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 08:06:05 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:06:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <43E0C673.2050300@druswanderings.net>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>
	<1f729feb0601311150y64467ca1k3555f700409c428b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFC90F.4070505@druswanderings.net>
	<1f729feb0602010430h45f8231fi371af426bcbf7739@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E0C673.2050300@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0602030606u61f3cfa8xc37c23d0276c552c@mail.gmail.com>

Strangest thing.  I can't run
$ gdesklets shell
through the terminal, I get "ORBit...missing" regardless of what I do.  But
$gdesklets
to bring up the gnome interface works fine.  Mysterious, but my desktop is
halfway back to functional again.  Thanks for all your help.

-p.

On 2/1/06, The Wandering Dru <dru at druswanderings.net> wrote:
>
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> Pete Daniels wrote:
>
> > That got me there, thanks!  Now, alas, I have new problem.  I compiled
> > successfully, but when I try to run
> > $ gdesklets shell
> > I get this:
> >
> > --
> > You're running gDesklets for the first time.
> > gDesklets will start a requirements check now...
> >
> > Checking requirements:
> >  - sys ... found
> >  - xml.parsers.expat ... found
> >  - xml.sax ... found
> >  - gtk ... found
> >  - ORBit ... missing
> > Version check failed.
> >
> > ORBit python bindings (pyorbit) version == 2.0.1 are required.
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Which is odd, because I do have pyorbit installed, it's a dependency of
> > gdesklets.
> >
>
> Not real sure what to tell you here.  Just for funsies, I compiled and
> installed to my local home directory(also a ubuntu breezy system).  It
> worked without a hitch.
>
> A "dpkg -l *orbit*" tells me the following are installed:
>
> ii  liborbit2               2.12.4-0ubuntu1
> ii  liborbit2-dev           2.12.4-0ubuntu1
> ii  python-pyorbit          2.0.1-2ubuntu3
> ii  python2.4-pyorbit       2.0.1-2ubuntu3
>
> - --
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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Fri Feb  3 08:51:24 2006
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:51:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43E36DEC.7010005@trutwins.homeip.net>

Steve Swantz wrote:
> 
> On 2/2/06, *Josh Trutwin* <josh at trutwins.homeip.net 
> <mailto:josh at trutwins.homeip.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Any thoughts on this issue?  I had assumed that putting swap in the
>     RAID and having one partition (say /dev/md2) as the swap partition was
>     the way to go but some netizens argue that this is a performance
>     problem and that if one drive goes bad it'll still boot ok even though
>     one of the swap partitions is dead.
> 
> 
> I'm more interested in the machine staying up (as opposed to just 
> booting up) if one of the swap drives dies, so I put swap on a RAID 1 
> partition. My server is lightly loaded, and I may not be able to get to 
> it fix it for several days at a time, so staying up is most important to 
> me than absolute maximum swap performance.

That was my feeling as well - I am going to try to put it under RAID - 
I guess if it seems so detrimental to performance I can also revert.

>     Also - I'm in the process of copying the partitions from my primary
>     drive to a new drive and when I run cfdisk, /dev/sda1 is shown as
>     "Dell Utility" - is this something I should try to mirror?  
> 
> 
> I believe that's the partiton that Dell keeps various diagnostic 
> utilities on. If you wanted to copy it to the new disk, you could, but 
> it won't be getting mounted under linux. Nothing to you need to try to 
> RAID.

Thanks,

Josh


From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Feb  3 09:45:32 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:45:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <43E36DEC.7010005@trutwins.homeip.net> 
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E36DEC.7010005@trutwins.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <20060203154532.50FEF6991@skuld.wookimus.net>

Does anyone recall how Linux performs without swap?  I recall having a
problem with this type of setup in 2.4 way back when, but I don't
remember the details.  If this is a server, you probably have thrown
lots of RAM at it anyway.  Having a swap partition probably isn't
necessary.  It looks like Kernel Trap had an article on this one. [1]_
So, in May of 2004, the best performance for your machine is achieved
with a swap.  Is this still true today?

That brings to question where swap should live: dedicated partitions
(let the kernel stripe/decide where to page), RAID'ed devices (if you
need mirroring), as a file on a filesystem.

If you're worried about uptime, then swap on RAID1 or RAID5 or no swap
at all is probably the way to go.  What type of performance hit you
have from not using swap v.s. disk-bound operations on a RAID1 or
RAID5 block device is the subject of an experiment.

In [1] it sounds like swap is necessary to maintain any type of
reasonable performance.  It doesn't sound like one would need much
swap, just enough to swap out "unused memory to be replaced with
often-used memory".

Chad

Relavent Links
==============
.. [1] Jeremy, "Is Swap Necessary". Kernel Trap. 27 May 2004 
   http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 (3 Feb 2006)
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 10:43:48 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:43:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware diagnostic software?
Message-ID: <579c6fd30602030843h3fca4e2et2b27e2922aeb37ac@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

What software do people use to test their servers and workstations for
hardware failures?

I use my own custom scripts to put a load on the computer, run memtest to
check RAM, and fsck to check disks, but I feel like I need something more. I
also use SeaTools to test my server drives.

Is there an application that people like that tests all the components of a
server?

-Eric
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From florin at iucha.net  Fri Feb  3 11:09:46 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:09:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware diagnostic software?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30602030843h3fca4e2et2b27e2922aeb37ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30602030843h3fca4e2et2b27e2922aeb37ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060203170946.GD2191@iucha.net>

On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 10:43:48AM -0600, Eric Peterson wrote:
> What software do people use to test their servers and workstations for
> hardware failures?
> 
> I use my own custom scripts to put a load on the computer, run memtest to
> check RAM, and fsck to check disks, but I feel like I need something more. I
> also use SeaTools to test my server drives.
> 
> Is there an application that people like that tests all the components of a
> server?

Compile a couple of kernels simultaneously with -j5. That should
stress the VM system and the memory.

florin

-- 
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From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 11:37:03 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:37:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware diagnostic software?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30602030843h3fca4e2et2b27e2922aeb37ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30602030843h3fca4e2et2b27e2922aeb37ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0602030937l3711a308n49ecf75484fa3f5f@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't Knoppix include some memory and disc checks? Maybe you are
looking for something more strenuous.

On 2/3/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  What software do people use to test their servers and workstations for
> hardware failures?
>
>  I use my own custom scripts to put a load on the computer, run memtest to
> check RAM, and fsck to check disks, but I feel like I need something more. I
> also use SeaTools to test my server drives.
>
>  Is there an application that people like that tests all the components of a
> server?
>
>  -Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


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-
G. Scott Walters
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Feb  3 13:40:30 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:40:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602031940.k13JeUZ15636@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Buy

Subject: Dell 6300 drive caddys wanted

Looking for some drive caddys for a dell 6300 - part number 5649C.

Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 15:52:52 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:52:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <20060203154532.50FEF6991@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E36DEC.7010005@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<20060203154532.50FEF6991@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020602031352o2fd47ab2r723f9247c3ade71c@mail.gmail.com>

If you're using hardware RAID, swap on your RAID array shouldn't hurt
you any because your RAID controller is taking care of it, and Linux
just sees one big disk so having multiple swap partitions on different
disks isn't an option anyway.

But it sounds like you're running software RAID, in that case I'd go
with the two different swap partitions, one on each disk. It just
doesn't make much sense to write your swap file to two different disks
when you're CPU has to deal with the RAID operations. Your data isn't
going to be hurt if swap fails, and a degraded RAID array won't impact
swap file performance with the two drive setup.

This is how I've always delt with RAID and swap.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 16:08:12 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:08:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <20060130171830.GA2279@refried.org>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060130171830.GA2279@refried.org>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020602031408n18e33ed4rdcdc7a078b8f7792@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Nate. Assuming that your DSL modem is a NAT Router/Firewall
type device, things should be fine. In your internal network you then
don't have to worry too much about security, unless you're going to
let strangers wander in and plug their device into your switch. This
is the simple solution you're looking for.

scp/sftp will only need minimal setup and is always a good way to go.
I once played with snfs, but that's a bit more complicated.

If both machines will be getting a public IP address, you'll want to
be running some sort of firewall on both machines. As they would both
be on the Internet, you would want to stick with secure protocols like
ssh/sftp/scp, or establish a VPN between your computers. (Open VPN or
Hamachi would do the trick http://www.hamachi.cc/). Going down this
route however would not be the simple solution that you're looking
for.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Fri Feb  3 16:15:08 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:15:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060203221508.GC10581@www.ewilts.org>

On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 07:21:33AM -0600, Steve Swantz wrote:
> On 2/2/06, Josh Trutwin <josh at trutwins.homeip.net> wrote:
> >
> > Any thoughts on this issue?  I had assumed that putting swap in the
> > RAID and having one partition (say /dev/md2) as the swap partition was
> > the way to go but some netizens argue that this is a performance
> > problem and that if one drive goes bad it'll still boot ok even though
> > one of the swap partitions is dead.
> >
> 
> I'm more interested in the machine staying up (as opposed to just booting
> up) if one of the swap drives dies, so I put swap on a RAID 1 partition. My
> server is lightly loaded, and I may not be able to get to it fix it for
> several days at a time, so staying up is most important to me than absolute
> maximum swap performance.

There are two issues to worry about here, and I believe you may be
getting incorrect information here.  

First, if you swap on a non-mirrored volume and that volume fails,
you'll likely crash.  Creating swap files on non-mirrored drives will
allow you to boot but not keep you up in the event of a drive failure.

Secondly, it's important to note that swap and normal file system
operations aren't the same thing.  If you need to swap and the software
mirror goes away, you may not recover anyway.  What I've been told is
that swapping is done at a layer that will not survive a drive failure.
Doing some googling, though, I see that this was an issue in 2002 and it
might actually be stable now.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about any potential performance problems
when swapping.  Swapping sucks anyway.  Buy memory :-).  There's no
point in having excellent performance if your system is flat down with a
busted swap drive.

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Fri Feb  3 18:23:11 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:23:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Job opening up - Unix admin
Message-ID: <20060204002311.GA13729@www.ewilts.org>

I figured that Unix admins are probably hanging out here, so if you're a
senior admin looking for work, drop me an email and I'll let you know
the details.  I seriously doubt we're looking for people right out of
school so you better be experienced.  Responsibilities include Solaris,
HP-UX, and Linux and you should be good on at least 2 of those.  SAN
connectivity and clustering are definite assets.  On-call definitely
required (and you will be called in the middle of the night) and you
should expect to work change windows at ugly hours.  High availability
experience a must - this is a critical enterprise environment.

The job hasn't been formally posted yet - the incumbent just gave notice
today.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 19:06:24 2006
From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:06:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <20060203221508.GC10581@www.ewilts.org>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060203221508.GC10581@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <17f6da250602031706l7e151e2kadbdfd95f1baf495@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/3/06, Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 07:21:33AM -0600, Steve Swantz wrote:
> > On 2/2/06, Josh Trutwin <josh at trutwins.homeip.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on this issue?  I had assumed that putting swap in the
> > > RAID and having one partition (say /dev/md2) as the swap partition was
> > > the way to go but some netizens argue that this is a performance
> > > problem and that if one drive goes bad it'll still boot ok even though
> > > one of the swap partitions is dead.
> > >
> >
> > I'm more interested in the machine staying up (as opposed to just
> booting
> > up) if one of the swap drives dies, so I put swap on a RAID 1 partition.
> My
> > server is lightly loaded, and I may not be able to get to it fix it for
> > several days at a time, so staying up is most important to me than
> absolute
> > maximum swap performance.
>
> There are two issues to worry about here, and I believe you may be
> getting incorrect information here.


I'm not sure if you're referring to me or to Josh.

First, if you swap on a non-mirrored volume and that volume fails,
> you'll likely crash.


Yes. That's why I have swap on a RAID 1 device.

Creating swap files on non-mirrored drives will
> allow you to boot but not keep you up in the event of a drive failure.


Yes. That's why I have swap on a RAID 1 device.

Secondly, it's important to note that swap and normal file system
> operations aren't the same thing.  If you need to swap and the software
> mirror goes away, you may not recover anyway.  What I've been told is
> that swapping is done at a layer that will not survive a drive failure.
> Doing some googling, though, I see that this was an issue in 2002 and it
> might actually be stable now.


I'm not familiar with that. I  did have a test/spare box with  / on /dev/md0
and swap on /dev/md1 stay up after a having a problem last month. I got a
'degraded array' warning on md0, and a few days later, a 'degraded array'
warning on md1 and the machine stayed up. (The same drive was the problem on
both md devices.) I don't know enough to say whether swap on RAID1 is robust
or if I got lucky. That machine has very little load and 1GB of memory -
it's hard to imagine it using swap much.

When I rebooted it, swap (md1) came up mirrored (to my surprise) but / (md0)
came up as one drive missing. Just to see if it would work, I did a hot add,
it synced, and all was back to normal.

And yes, I am watching the sales for a new drive..

Personally, I wouldn't worry about any potential performance problems
> when swapping.  Swapping sucks anyway.  Buy memory :-).  There's no
> point in having excellent performance if your system is flat down with a
> busted swap drive.


Amen.

Steve
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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 19:35:22 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:35:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020602031408n18e33ed4rdcdc7a078b8f7792@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060130171830.GA2279@refried.org>
	<e3a54b020602031408n18e33ed4rdcdc7a078b8f7792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0602031735j1ef6e305off2b25a81191b746@mail.gmail.com>

My DSL modem is a NAT router/firewall. Thanks for all the tips. I hope to
have everything up and running by Sunday.

On 2/3/06, Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm with Nate. Assuming that your DSL modem is a NAT Router/Firewall
> type device, things should be fine. In your internal network you then
> don't have to worry too much about security, unless you're going to
> let strangers wander in and plug their device into your switch. This
> is the simple solution you're looking for.
>
> scp/sftp will only need minimal setup and is always a good way to go.
> I once played with snfs, but that's a bit more complicated.
>
> If both machines will be getting a public IP address, you'll want to
> be running some sort of firewall on both machines. As they would both
> be on the Internet, you would want to stick with secure protocols like
> ssh/sftp/scp, or establish a VPN between your computers. (Open VPN or
> Hamachi would do the trick http://www.hamachi.cc/). Going down this
> route however would not be the simple solution that you're looking
> for.
>
> --
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>
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From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Fri Feb  3 22:00:32 2006
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:00:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Job opening up - Unix admin
In-Reply-To: <20060204002311.GA13729@www.ewilts.org>
References: <20060204002311.GA13729@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <20060204040032.GA9221@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 06:23:11PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> I figured that Unix admins are probably hanging out here, so if you're a
> senior admin looking for work, drop me an email and I'll let you know
> the details.  I seriously doubt we're looking for people right out of
> school so you better be experienced.  Responsibilities include Solaris,
> HP-UX, and Linux and you should be good on at least 2 of those.  SAN
> connectivity and clustering are definite assets.  On-call definitely
> required (and you will be called in the middle of the night) and you
> should expect to work change windows at ugly hours.  High availability
> experience a must - this is a critical enterprise environment.
> 
> The job hasn't been formally posted yet - the incumbent just gave notice
> today.
> 
>         .../Ed
> 

Sounds like a dream job.

> -- 
> Ed Wilts, RHCE
> Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
> Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program

-- 
Jim Kaufman
Linux Evangelist
public key 0x6D802619
CCNA, CISSP# 65668
---
When choosing between two evils I always like to take the one
I've never tried before.
		-- Mae West



From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Sat Feb  4 16:38:32 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky@comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:38:32 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - AT&T DSL
Message-ID: <020420062238.9842.43E52CE8000DB65200002672220074818497050C019D99A106@comcast.net>

Off topic.
 Does anyone know if AT&T DSL is available in the twin city area?  See the price is around $13.00 for DSL.



From sfertch at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 17:43:43 2006
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:43:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - AT&T DSL
In-Reply-To: <020420062238.9842.43E52CE8000DB65200002672220074818497050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
References: <020420062238.9842.43E52CE8000DB65200002672220074818497050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0602041543i49cc6fa3tf371d07154232c06@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/4/06, j_wrocky at comcast.net <j_wrocky at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Off topic.
> Does anyone know if AT&T DSL is available in the twin city area?  See the
> price is around $13.00 for DSL.
>


That's just ISP charges, you'll still need to lease the line.  Qwest still
offers their ISP services which is qwest.net.

I use qwest.net for my ISP (not the MSN stuff) which is about $10/month for
the ISP charges, line charge is about $38/month and static IP's are about
$15/month for a block of 8.


--
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
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From austad at signal15.com  Sun Feb  5 12:14:26 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:14:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] need some patch cables and a panduit cable tray
Message-ID: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>

Looking for about 48 6-7 foot ethernet patch cables, prefer new.   
Anyone have a box of them they'd like to sell, or know where I can  
find some locally for a good price?

Also looking for one of those 19" Panduit cable trays that is 19"  
wide and 1U tall.  Doesn't have to be new.  I'd rather pick this  
stuff up locally than order it.

~jay



From john.meier at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 15:31:36 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:31:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] need some patch cables and a panduit cable tray
In-Reply-To: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
References: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0602051331q1367b8c4x8692852c3d8a277@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for about 48 6-7 foot ethernet patch cables, prefer new.
> Anyone have a box of them they'd like to sell, or know where I can
> find some locally for a good price?



This local auction joint  usually has boxes of cables up for bidding:
http://corporate.idleassetauctions.com/

There's an auction every two weeks.  Should be one this week I think -
starts on tuesday.
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  5 16:08:25 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:08:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] /home/me installs?
Message-ID: <20060205220825.6950.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm on Debian at work and the sysadmin likes things
stable and thus rather out-of-date. I'd like to have
Opera (sessions addict), the newest Emacs22,
Acroreader7 without rocking the boat too much. Could I
install such (rather large) apps as a regular user to
my home directory? I guessing Opera and Acro might
fly, but Emacs...not sure.

Olwe

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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb  5 16:40:35 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:40:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] need some patch cables and a panduit cable tray
In-Reply-To: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
References: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <20060205224035.GA8958@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 12:14:26PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
> Looking for about 48 6-7 foot ethernet patch cables, prefer new.   
> Anyone have a box of them they'd like to sell, or know where I can  
> find some locally for a good price?

General Nanosystems has a 7' patch cable for 3.19 each.  You can also
get 100' or 1000' spools.  The 1000' spool is $70 and then you could put
your own ends on with a crimping tool ($25 there).  So for about $100
plus the cost of the connectors, you could make what you need for less 
than the cost of the pre-made cables and have a lot left over.

I think that places like Home Depot sell the spools of cable and tools
too.  I just had a quick check and they've got a 50-pack of ends for
$30 which doesn't sound all that cheap.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From rfbob at cyguin.net  Sun Feb  5 17:09:10 2006
From: rfbob at cyguin.net (Mark)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:09:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] /home/me installs?
In-Reply-To: <20060205220825.6950.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060205220825.6950.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43E68596.8010309@cyguin.net>

Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> I'm on Debian at work and the sysadmin likes things
> stable and thus rather out-of-date. I'd like to have
> Opera (sessions addict), the newest Emacs22,
> Acroreader7 without rocking the boat too much. Could I
> install such (rather large) apps as a regular user to
> my home directory? I guessing Opera and Acro might
> fly, but Emacs...not sure.
> 
> Olwe

Give a look at www.backports.org assuming whatever whizbang you need has
made it into unstable or testing yet.  It's a handy way to keep the main
part of your system sane, while still getting to a small handful of apps
with new features that you can't live without.
Mark


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 13:43:52 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:43:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - AT&T DSL
In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0602041543i49cc6fa3tf371d07154232c06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <020420062238.9842.43E52CE8000DB65200002672220074818497050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
	<67f3084a0602041543i49cc6fa3tf371d07154232c06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30602061143u49758fa1t719140e67707c839@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/4/06, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/4/06, j_wrocky at comcast.net <j_wrocky at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Off topic.
> > Does anyone know if AT&T DSL is available in the twin city area?  See
> > the price is around $13.00 for DSL.
> >
>
>
> That's just ISP charges, you'll still need to lease the line.  Qwest still
> offers their ISP services which is qwest.net.
>
> I use qwest.net for my ISP (not the MSN stuff) which is about $10/month
> for the ISP charges, line charge is about $38/month and static IP's are
> about $15/month for a block of 8.



Shawn,

How would you rate the quality of the line? Is the down/up speed good? How
would you compare it to cable (assuming you've had cable internet)?

I had Qwest and found the latency of the line to be terrible back in 2000.
Sometimes a key stroke would take a second or two to echo back to the screen
in an SSH session.

I would love to have 8 static addresses for that price, but only if the
speed and reliability are there.

Thanks,
Eric
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Mon Feb  6 13:53:19 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:53:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RH7.3 Message Log basically empty
Message-ID: <1139255599.4504.37.camel@iwill>

My server is RH7.3 ... mostly because it has worked fine and I am too
lazy to start all over again building a new server.

In the past, there has been lots of dropped packet info, etc. found in
the message log file.  Some time back that basically stopped.  Both of
the processes for logging are running ... so ... *scratches head* I am a
bit worried as to why nothing no longer shows up in the log files.

Thoughts?  Suggestions?  Places to look?  I have done nothing to any of
the config files, etc. ... so .... ?

Randy




From sfertch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 17:05:01 2006
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:05:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off topic - AT&T DSL
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30602061143u49758fa1t719140e67707c839@mail.gmail.com>
References: <020420062238.9842.43E52CE8000DB65200002672220074818497050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
	<67f3084a0602041543i49cc6fa3tf371d07154232c06@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30602061143u49758fa1t719140e67707c839@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0602061505l69800ce0k86ad75f9de2ce31b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/6/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Shawn,
>
> How would you rate the quality of the line? Is the down/up speed good? How
> would you compare it to cable (assuming you've had cable internet)?
>
> I had Qwest and found the latency of the line to be terrible back in 2000.
> Sometimes a key stroke would take a second or two to echo back to the screen
> in an SSH session.
>
> I would love to have 8 static addresses for that price, but only if the
> speed and reliability are there.
>


I wouldn't recommend it if there were major problems with it.  Up front, I
will say that I've had two problems with Qwest and my DSL line:

1)  My underground phone line got saturated a few years ago during a heavy
rain season and I would lose connection intermittently.  Had Qwest come out
and I literally made them replace the buried line and have had no issues
with the line since then.

2)  When I dropped my second line, I had to fight with them to allow me to
keep my current block of IP's and account.  I put DSL on my second line
(stupid me!) not realizing the headache I'd have in getting it switched
over.

Other than that, no real problems.  My download speeds are about 4,700 to
4,800M and upload is about 786K according to Speakeasy tests.

I've been SSH'ing into my domain on DSL since I've had DSL and over the
years it's improved.  Sometimes it's a bit slow, but nothing bad enough to
warrent my considering dropping it in favor of Cable.

BTW, I've never had cable.


Oh, and you may want to look into the DSL subscriber stuff from Qwest.  They
recently changed their policies.  http://www.qwest.com/legal



--
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
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From seg at haxxed.com  Tue Feb  7 13:34:31 2006
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:34:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 Swap?
In-Reply-To: <20060203154532.50FEF6991@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <43E2E933.4060401@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<17f6da250602030521h48ef4b8cp272e47904ea7d38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E36DEC.7010005@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<20060203154532.50FEF6991@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <1139340872.24023.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 09:45 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Does anyone recall how Linux performs without swap?  I recall having a
> problem with this type of setup in 2.4 way back when, but I don't
> remember the details.  If this is a server, you probably have thrown
> lots of RAM at it anyway.  Having a swap partition probably isn't
> necessary.  It looks like Kernel Trap had an article on this one. [1]_
> So, in May of 2004, the best performance for your machine is achieved
> with a swap.  Is this still true today?

I suppose it depends on your workload. 2.6 kernels are much better about
not using swap just because its there. (Though notably a few years back
there was a fun bug in the OOM killer when you ran without swap, where
it would kick in and start killing things when you were only at 50%
memory usage, that has been since fixed...) I have a system with 384mb
RAM running FC4 that I use for MythTV and playing DVDs and videos with
Xine. And sometimes MAME. It ran for months straight without ever
touching swap, so I just disabled swap. Swapping absolutely kills MythTV
anyway.
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 17:17:38 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:17:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] need some patch cables and a panduit cable tray
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0602051331q1367b8c4x8692852c3d8a277@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
	<65293fcc0602051331q1367b8c4x8692852c3d8a277@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0602071517w2d4b51b6p4e54f9c4f6e7a845@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2/5/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looking for about 48 6-7 foot ethernet patch cables, prefer new.
> > Anyone have a box of them they'd like to sell, or know where I can
> > find some locally for a good price?
>
>
>
> This local auction joint  usually has boxes of cables up for bidding:
> http://corporate.idleassetauctions.com/
>


yup - 4 lots of cables  under "other"
http://corporate.idleassetauctions.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl?category=other

I was talking to a buddy yesterday - and he threw out a couple of "long
4ssed" cable trays over the weekend - they may still be in the dumpester
area or the loading dock area at the Ford Centre downtown Mpls.  I have no
idea of the width/hieght of them though.
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 09:59:12 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] /home/me installs?
In-Reply-To: <43E68596.8010309@cyguin.net>
References: <20060205220825.6950.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43E68596.8010309@cyguin.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020602080759t5706c78dtd1d753b29c2e2428@mail.gmail.com>

Short Answer: Yes, shouldn't be a problem really as long as the admin
has all the development tools, libs, etc. already installed.

Depending on how you like to organize your home directory, you might
want to keep everything installed inder home under one directory, or
just let things create their standard tree under home. Personally, I
throw all my stuff into a ~/programs.

For Opera and Acrobat reader, you'll want to grab the non packaged
versions (the tar archives.) If they have an installer, point them to
your home directory.

Once installed, edit your path so that your home directory's bin path
takes precidence over the system's bin path. For Opera, your best bet
is to use the static not dynamic build.

For emacs, you'll be compiling as you would any normal Linux app,
except you'll specify --prefix=/home/username. If emacs has unmet
dependencies, you'll have to go out and comple them from source as
well and install them under your home directory.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From bear at umn.edu  Mon Feb  6 20:42:47 2006
From: bear at umn.edu (William Bear)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:42:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] U of M Sourceforge Mirror Up
Message-ID: <43E80927.3010301@umn.edu>


The U of M Sourceforge mirror is back up and running.  The SAN issue 
turned out to be a SAN side fail-over option being set incorrectly.  
We've been pushing a consistent 60Mb since noon.  Thanks for all the 
help and suggestions.

Will


From austad at signal15.com  Wed Feb  8 15:31:55 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:31:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] need some patch cables and a panduit cable tray
In-Reply-To: <20060205224035.GA8958@www.ewilts.org>
References: <AAEEBB29-2B1F-46DC-8B69-3F6D7BDF3233@signal15.com>
	<20060205224035.GA8958@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <F3A9549C-4843-4911-B35A-D24DAC0177DB@signal15.com>

3.19 is a ripoff.  I've found them for $1 each online, with the  
antisnagg ends (not those crappy boots either, the little rubber  
ramps instead).

I've got a huge spool of cable and a ton of ends here, and a $200  
crimper.  But, I don't want to spend the time making them, and it's  
even harder because I'm colorblind and mix up the brown and the green  
all the time.

I'll probably just order some from somewhere.

~jay

On Feb 5, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Ed Wilts wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 12:14:26PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
>> Looking for about 48 6-7 foot ethernet patch cables, prefer new.
>> Anyone have a box of them they'd like to sell, or know where I can
>> find some locally for a good price?
>
> General Nanosystems has a 7' patch cable for 3.19 each.  You can also
> get 100' or 1000' spools.  The 1000' spool is $70 and then you  
> could put
> your own ends on with a crimping tool ($25 there).  So for about $100
> plus the cost of the connectors, you could make what you need for less
> than the cost of the pre-made cables and have a lot left over.
>
> I think that places like Home Depot sell the spools of cable and tools
> too.  I just had a quick check and they've got a 50-pack of ends for
> $30 which doesn't sound all that cheap.
>
>         .../Ed
>
> -- 
> Ed Wilts, RHCE
> Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
> Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
>



From blawrence at qwest.net  Wed Feb  8 16:55:26 2006
From: blawrence at qwest.net (blawrence@qwest.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:55:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Monitor Windows XP with Linux
Message-ID: <380-22006238225526578@M2W114.mail2web.com>

Fellow Linux users,

I'd like to monitor a few dozen headless Windows XP boxes and generate some
simple graphs to show CPU, memory, threads, and disk usage. The test
software running on these boxes is compiled specifically for Windows and I
have no option to migrate them to Linux or to use an OS emulator.

Initially I thought about using a combination of MRTG, RRDTool, and the
built-in SNMP agent on Windows. I found this site, http://wmiex.msft.net/,
that looks promising but I'm not sure how to configure the WMI and SNMP
components of Windows.

I've also looked into using OpenNMS to generate the graphs although it
would be a lot of work to setup the server. I haven't seen any examples of
this working with Windows so I'm not sure if this is even an option.

Does anyone have any experience in this area?

Thanks,
Brian Lawrence

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 17:04:04 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:04:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Monitor Windows XP with Linux
In-Reply-To: <380-22006238225526578@M2W114.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22006238225526578@M2W114.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0602081504p5a06d001qb9aaaf9484de14d9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/8/06, blawrence at qwest.net <blawrence at qwest.net> wrote:
> Fellow Linux users,
>
> I'd like to monitor a few dozen headless Windows XP boxes and generate some
> simple graphs to show CPU, memory, threads, and disk usage. The test
> software running on these boxes is compiled specifically for Windows and I
> have no option to migrate them to Linux or to use an OS emulator.
>

I use cacti (http://cacti.sf.net) to monitor a flock of W2k and W2k3
servers...it gets CPU/memory/disk/etc data using SNMP.  Works great. 
I can't say this definitively, but I'd guess that you could pull the
same data out of XP.


From smac at visi.com  Wed Feb  8 18:52:42 2006
From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:52:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Monitor Windows XP with Linux
In-Reply-To: <380-22006238225526578@M2W114.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22006238225526578@M2W114.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <43EA925A.7090706@visi.com>

WMI = Windows Management Instrumentation
Microsoft has an extensive set of API's that are wide open for gathering 
information on windows machines. Everything form performance, installing 
applications, file system, etc...

You can use VBScript and JScript to gather WMI information from windows 
machines.
Other languages can gather information as well. you just need to address 
the WMI interface.
Websites:
http://cwashington.netreach.net

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnclinic/html/scripting06112002.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmisdk/wmi/wmi_reference.asp

Very few will agree with me but M$ did a good job with WMI it's complex 
but it works.

Sam.

blawrence at qwest.net wrote:

>Fellow Linux users,
>
>I'd like to monitor a few dozen headless Windows XP boxes and generate some
>simple graphs to show CPU, memory, threads, and disk usage. The test
>software running on these boxes is compiled specifically for Windows and I
>have no option to migrate them to Linux or to use an OS emulator.
>
>Initially I thought about using a combination of MRTG, RRDTool, and the
>built-in SNMP agent on Windows. I found this site, http://wmiex.msft.net/,
>that looks promising but I'm not sure how to configure the WMI and SNMP
>components of Windows.
>
>I've also looked into using OpenNMS to generate the graphs although it
>would be a lot of work to setup the server. I haven't seen any examples of
>this working with Windows so I'm not sure if this is even an option.
>
>Does anyone have any experience in this area?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Lawrence
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Feb 10 14:13:37 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602102013.k1AKDbd30368@crusader.real-time.com>

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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 10 14:57:25 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:57:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Texinfo, Latex...?
Message-ID: <20060210205725.37244.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've been laboriously marking up html to put
information out, but it's so time-consuming that I'm
looking for something else. I don't want to blog or
wiki or slashdot either.

So much of the OSource world seems to be using
Latex/Tex or Texinfo and just converting to html, or
even pdf or ps. Anyway they have publish-ready
manuscript that can instantly become something else
like Web pages. Is there a flaw in my logic here?
Printing html is dodgy at best (wildly varying font
sizes, things cut off, overruns), pdf isn't 100%
either.

So if my thinking is sound, which is better, easier,
used more, Latex/Tex or Texinfo. From googling, I'm
finding little on Texinfo, but lots on Latex/Tex. If I
go the Latex/Tex route, can I still get Info docs?

My goal is quick idea-to-media. I'll face a learning
curve, but I want something faster than hand-coding
html. One thing I've considered is OpenOffice word
processing which has a doc2html and a doc2pdf, but I'm
not a fan of all the gew-gaw it throws in an html, and
I'd like to stay as GNU-centric as possible. Besides,
I like "old" tech until something clearly is better,
and a word processor isn't that much improvement,
IMHO.

Olwe

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Feb 11 12:20:41 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:20:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Texinfo, Latex...?
In-Reply-To: <20060210205725.37244.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
References: <20060210205725.37244.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060211182041.2F3EB6854@skuld.wookimus.net>

The official word on manual format for the GNU project is Texinfo.
Technically, Texinfo lives two lives.  Its first is that of a suite of
TeX macros.  The second is that of a source file for the makeinfo
compiler.  makeinfo produces some nice looking manuals in ps and pdf,
but its html has a bit to be desired.  You can include your own style
sheets, and the HTML is clean.  Without the stylesheet, though, the
HTML looks like crap.

When I use Texinfo, I get the vague feeling that I'm using a castrated
animal.  It has a single purpose in life, to create technical manuals.
Period.  I do like the info browser, though I think I'm one of the
few.  pinfo is a little nicer, but I often get people stating that w3m
and lynx are better browsers for documentation, which brings us back
to HTML.  Bleh.

My personal favorite right now it LaTeX.  It is a mature documentation
suite that can create output to just about anything.  Markup is based
on keywords that are very much like shorthand.  It has a package
extension mechanism "\usepackage ..." that lets you include new or
useful macros; I routinely include the hyperref package for hyperlinks
in PDF documents.

The best looking HTML output from TeX, in my honest opinion, is
tex2page, found at:

	http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/tex2page/tex2page-doc.html.

You need scheme to run it, but it recognizes many TeX formats (viz,
plain TeX, LaTeX, and even Texinfo).  A great resource for TeX
information on the net is found here:

	http://www.tug.org/interest.html

(This looks interesting, "texd, TeX as a daemon with a callable
interface, written in Python."  Crazy!)  In any case, there are a lot
of options out there for you, but IMHO LaTeX and TeX are the best if
you want something that "Just Works(TM)".

I've attached a generic Makefile that I use to build LaTeX documents.
I use the vim editor with the default latex syntax markup.  I had
tried the vim-latexsuite script, but didn't like the keymappings.
Besides, it reassigned makeprg to eTeX instead of my Makefile! grr!
Things I have not included in this make file are generating and
incorporating index, but that should be relatively easy to add.

Oh, and before you seriously consider it, do not use reStructuredText
for serious documents.  Its a nice almost-markup for web pages or wiki
pages, but not for documents.  I wrote a paper with it once, and had
to jump through some hoops to get it to look right.

I hope this has been helpful.

Chad

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From Joe at barterfest.com  Sat Feb 11 15:26:01 2006
From: Joe at barterfest.com (Joe Kneeland)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:26:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
Message-ID: <200602111526.01483.Joe@barterfest.com>

Greetings,

a friend suggested I turn to you for help, I'm quite new to linux (a week or 
so was my first install), running suse v.10 trying to get putty to install.

install.txt says to run "make -f Makefile.gtk" from the unix subdirectory

did so and this what returned.  unfortunatly, its all greek to me;(

linux:/opt/putty-0.58/unix# make -f Makefile.gtk
cc    -02 -Wall -Werror -g -I.././ -I../charset/ -I../windows/ -I../unix/ 
-I../mac -I../macosx/ `gtk- config ..cflags` -c ../be_all.c

/bin/sh: gtk-config: comand not found
/bin/sh: cc:comand not found
make:  *** {be_all.o} Error 127


I would sooo much appreciate any help

Joe 


From klinej at msoe.edu  Sat Feb 11 15:41:19 2006
From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:41:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
In-Reply-To: <200602111526.01483.Joe@barterfest.com>
References: <200602111526.01483.Joe@barterfest.com>
Message-ID: <43EE59FF.1040902@msoe.edu>

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Why are you trying to run putty on Linux? What are you trying to do?
Linux has plenty of built in ssh and telnet clients...

Anyways the errors tell you essentially not have a compiler or the
gtk-devel packages installed. On debian: apt-get install gcc g++
libgtk1.2-dev

Cheers,
~J

Joe Kneeland wrote:
| Greetings,
|
| a friend suggested I turn to you for help, I'm quite new to linux (a
week or
| so was my first install), running suse v.10 trying to get putty to
install.
|
| install.txt says to run "make -f Makefile.gtk" from the unix subdirectory
|
| did so and this what returned.  unfortunatly, its all greek to me;(
|
| linux:/opt/putty-0.58/unix# make -f Makefile.gtk
| cc    -02 -Wall -Werror -g -I.././ -I../charset/ -I../windows/ -I../unix/
| -I../mac -I../macosx/ `gtk- config ..cflags` -c ../be_all.c
|
| /bin/sh: gtk-config: comand not found
| /bin/sh: cc:comand not found
| make:  *** {be_all.o} Error 127
|
|
| I would sooo much appreciate any help
|
| Joe
|
| _______________________________________________
| TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
| tclug-list at mn-linux.org
| http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
|

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From jeff.hemminger at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 16:22:31 2006
From: jeff.hemminger at gmail.com (Jeff Hemminger)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:22:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
In-Reply-To: <200602111526.01483.Joe@barterfest.com>
Message-ID: <43ee63a9.5c4c1323.7b72.2859@mx.gmail.com>

Hi Joe,
Instead of putty, there are command line options from within the shell
itself.
Most of the default distro installs come with ssh at least.
So maybe you can try "ssh -l <your login> -h <host>" instead of using putty?
Hope this helps,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joe Kneeland
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:26 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty

Greetings,

a friend suggested I turn to you for help, I'm quite new to linux (a week or

so was my first install), running suse v.10 trying to get putty to install.

install.txt says to run "make -f Makefile.gtk" from the unix subdirectory

did so and this what returned.  unfortunatly, its all greek to me;(

linux:/opt/putty-0.58/unix# make -f Makefile.gtk
cc    -02 -Wall -Werror -g -I.././ -I../charset/ -I../windows/ -I../unix/ 
-I../mac -I../macosx/ `gtk- config ..cflags` -c ../be_all.c

/bin/sh: gtk-config: comand not found
/bin/sh: cc:comand not found
make:  *** {be_all.o} Error 127


I would sooo much appreciate any help

Joe 

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From florin at iucha.net  Sat Feb 11 16:45:37 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:45:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Texinfo, Latex...?
In-Reply-To: <20060211182041.2F3EB6854@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <20060210205725.37244.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20060211182041.2F3EB6854@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20060211224537.GK31988@iucha.net>

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:20:41PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> I've attached a generic Makefile that I use to build LaTeX documents.

I like rubber: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~beffara/soft/rubber/

florin

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Feb 12 10:26:05 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:26:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
In-Reply-To: <43ee63a9.5c4c1323.7b72.2859@mx.gmail.com>
References: <43ee63a9.5c4c1323.7b72.2859@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602121020360.3662@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Jeff Hemminger wrote:

> Most of the default distro installs come with ssh at least.
> So maybe you can try "ssh -l <your login> -h <host>" instead of using putty?

He definitely should do that.  PuTTY is a Windows program that was written 
because ordinary (non-Cygwin) Windows users didn't have an ssh program 
built into their system.  Linux has no need for PuTTY.

In Linux/UNIX, I like to use rxvt windows to display my ssh session:

rxvt -n Compy -T "ssh: `whoami`@`hostname`: connected to Compy" -e ssh MyCompyUsername at compy.some.net &

This also works with xterm if you replace the "rxvt" with "xterm".

I like to make aliases that do this for various computers that I connect 
to often.  You have to have X11 installed for this to work.

Mike


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 13 01:23:11 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:23:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>

Hey guys,

Ok, this is a silly -- and somewhat newbie-ish -- question... but I have a 
huge headache and just can't think straight, and also I'm a bit paranoid 
(;


Ok. I have a home network. ALL the NICs can do 100M. they are all set to 
100/Full duplex. The switches all have the "100" light on, the ones that 
have "fdx" lights on have that on too.

Now, according to my headachy calculations, under ideal conditions I 
should be getting (100/8=12.5) 12.5 megabytes per second when I transfer 
data. Which means under non-ideal situations, like when I'm actually using 
a protocol and actually writing the data, maybe 7-10 megs per second.

I'm getting like, 800K/second, though, which according to my math seems 
like the non-ideal version of a 10baseT network rather than the 100baseT 
that I actually have.

Now, given that I'm tired, have a headache and am actually horrible at 
math even on a good day, it's not unlikely I've got something wrong here. 
So, anyone wanna tell that I'm wrong and that I don't need to rip the 
network apart tomorrow morning?


-Yaron

--


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Feb 13 01:38:26 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:38:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <23553852.1139815920192.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
References: <23553852.1139815920192.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
Message-ID: <200602130138.27400.jus@krytosvirus.com>

> I'm getting like, 800K/second, though, which according to my math seems
> like the non-ideal version of a 10baseT network rather than the 100baseT
> that I actually have.
>
> Now, given that I'm tired, have a headache and am actually horrible at
> math even on a good day, it's not unlikely I've got something wrong here.
> So, anyone wanna tell that I'm wrong and that I don't need to rip the
> network apart tomorrow morning?
>
>
Of course there are many variables. Crappy network cards often times result in 
crappy throughput. Crappy network drivers often times result in crappy 
throughput. Plus you didn't really include any details. How are you 
determining your network speed? Have you checked for errors on your 
interfaces? What operating systems involved? Have you done any OS tweaking? 
You imply multiple swtiches, how many are involved?


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 13 01:59:33 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:59:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <200602130138.27400.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <23553852.1139815920192.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
	<200602130138.27400.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130157010.5137@Rooster>

> Of course there are many variables. Crappy network cards often times 
> result in crappy throughput. Crappy network drivers often times result 
> in crappy throughput. Plus you didn't really include any details. How 
> are you determining your network speed? Have you checked for errors on 
> your interfaces? What operating systems involved? Have you done any OS 
> tweaking? You imply multiple swtiches, how many are involved?

Linux-to-Linux, both on the same 100M switch, no errors on the cards, 
they're both showing 100FDX, one's a VIA Rhine, the other's an 
NForce-based cared using the Forcedeth driver. Both fairly fast machines 
with a nice amount of RAM.

But basically... does that mean my calculations are, in fact, correct? 
Cause to me, THAT'S what would be a big surprise (:


-Yaron

--


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Feb 13 05:29:34 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:29:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130157010.5137@Rooster>
References: <23553852.1139815920192.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
	<200602130138.27400.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130157010.5137@Rooster>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130529000.29180@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Yaron wrote:
> But basically... does that mean my calculations are, in fact, correct? 
> Cause to me, THAT'S what would be a big surprise (:

You bet. :)

I generally can push about 11mbytes/sec over my 100mb network, and about 
50mbytes/sec over the gigabit portion.. (waiting for the new gig-e switch 
that supports jumbo frames to arrive.. yay.)

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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Feb 13 06:48:49 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:48:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 01:23:11AM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> I'm getting like, 800K/second, though, which according to my math seems 
> like the non-ideal version of a 10baseT network rather than the 100baseT 
> that I actually have.
> 
> Now, given that I'm tired, have a headache and am actually horrible at 
> math even on a good day, it's not unlikely I've got something wrong here. 
> So, anyone wanna tell that I'm wrong and that I don't need to rip the 
> network apart tomorrow morning?

This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
full duplex?

For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.  

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From auditodd at comcast.net  Mon Feb 13 09:24:00 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:24:00 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
Message-ID: <021320061524.14793.43F0A48F00090D8F000039C922070016410B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 01:23:11AM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> > I'm getting like, 800K/second, though, which according to my math seems 
> > like the non-ideal version of a 10baseT network rather than the 100baseT 
> > that I actually have.
> > 
> > Now, given that I'm tired, have a headache and am actually horrible at 
> > math even on a good day, it's not unlikely I've got something wrong here. 
> > So, anyone wanna tell that I'm wrong and that I don't need to rip the 
> > network apart tomorrow morning?
> 
> This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
> you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
> full duplex?
> 
> For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
> up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.  
> 
>         .../Ed
> 

I'll second Ed's recommendation.
Years ago when all I had was a crappy hub (100/half-duplex), I could only get 700 to 800 k/sec. Now with a Netgear 16 port 10/100 switch I can regularly get 6 to 10 Meg/sec transferring files between machines (that includes Windows and Linux).



From admin at lctn.org  Mon Feb 13 10:56:38 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:56:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
Message-ID: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>

I went to sourceforge to find an easy to install, easy to use message
board, but most projects do not include screen shots. Is there a big
favorite being used by most people?

Raymond


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 13 11:27:34 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:27:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>

Hi there,

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:

> This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
> you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
> full duplex?

Yup.

> For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
> up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.

Hmm. I tried that, and get the same exact speed either way (transferring a 
~500Mb file). Now, here's the thing. I get this speed across the network, 
from pretty much any machine TO pretty much any machine (there's about 10 
machines). There are two switches and this happens between switches and on 
each individual switch! All the machines are (confirmed by eth/mii-tool) 
set to 100FDX. I tried the forced-hdx thing and get the same result...


-Yaron

--


From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 11:32:00 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:32:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43F0C290.2010504@gmail.com>

Raymond Norton wrote:
> I went to sourceforge to find an easy to install, easy to use message
> board, but most projects do not include screen shots. Is there a big
> favorite being used by most people?
> 
> Raymond
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

http://www.phpbb.com/



-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Mon Feb 13 11:39:18 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:39:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Texinfo, Latex...?
In-Reply-To: <20060211182041.2F3EB6854@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <20060210205725.37244.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20060211182041.2F3EB6854@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20060213113918.A25128@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:20:41PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> The best looking HTML output from TeX, in my honest opinion, is
> tex2page, found at:
> 
> 	http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/tex2page/tex2page-doc.html.

My favorite is TeX4ht - http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/ .

One of my favorite features of TeX4ht is that it will also output
XML and MathML, as well as html.

I haven't taken a look at the comptetion in a few years though,
so I think I'll give tex32page a try.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Feb 13 12:03:21 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:03:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS oddity
Message-ID: <20060213180321.GL31988@iucha.net>

I am in the process of upgrading my web/mail/proxy/etc server from a
Deskpro PII/450 (named hermes) to a Netvista PIII/600 (named athena).
I am doing the transition gradually, by slowly moving the services over time.

Both machines run Debian testing+unstable. Both machines are connected
to the DSL switch (network 10.10.0.x) and to the internal gigabit
switch (network 10.0.0.x).

My problem is with the DNS server: right now both machines run bind
(bind9 9.3.1-2.0.1), with the same db.* except for the appropriate
records (each server thinks it is the authoritative server for both
10.0.0.x and 10.10.0.x). Both servers forward requests to the same
pair of DNS servers at the ISP (visi).

When I set the proxy server (squid 2.5.12-4) running on athena to use
the DNS server running on athena, I get 10-15 seconds delay in the web
browser. Watching the access.log, there is no entry for the URL I have
just requested. The URL will show after 10-15 seconds.

If I change the resolv.conf on athena to point to hermes, there is no
delay, and everyting is fast as expected. Only when athena is using
the local server, I can see the delay. The delay is there even if the
DNS server on hermes is down (no competition).

Both servers are unloaded, have 512 MB RAM, run Shorewall... They are
configured quite identical.

Does anybody have any idea what is going on or what should I do to try
to isolate the problem?

Thank you,
florin

-- 
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From eric at vangyzen.net  Mon Feb 13 12:05:21 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:05:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
Message-ID: <43F0CA61.5040407@vangyzen.net>

Yaron wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
> 
>> For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
>> up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.
> 
> Hmm. I tried that, and get the same exact speed either way (transferring a 
> ~500Mb file). Now, here's the thing. I get this speed across the network, 
> from pretty much any machine TO pretty much any machine (there's about 10 
> machines). There are two switches and this happens between switches and on 
> each individual switch! All the machines are (confirmed by eth/mii-tool) 
> set to 100FDX. I tried the forced-hdx thing and get the same result...

So, the /machines/ are set to full duplex, but is the /switch/ also?  It 
smells like your machines are speaking full, but the switch is speaking 
half (or vice versa).

What happens when you let them autonegotiate?

What happens when you connect two offending machines directly to each 
other with a crossover cable?

With ten machines and two switches, there are a lot of variables -- too 
many.  If possible, start unplugging stuff.

If, during all this testing, you're ssh-ing from one machine to the 
other nine, that machine could be the problem.

Good luck,

Eric


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 13 12:19:20 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:19:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <43F0CA61.5040407@vangyzen.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
	<43F0CA61.5040407@vangyzen.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131218100.2379@Rooster>

> What happens when you connect two offending machines directly to each other 
> with a crossover cable?

THAT works just fine!

I think I got it... one of the switches seems to be... kinda flakey. I'll 
try replacing it and see if that helps. When I removed the uplink between 
that one and the other switch, machines on the other switch got 10+M/sec.

-Yaron

--


From nate at ima.umn.edu  Mon Feb 13 12:30:16 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:30:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <43F0C290.2010504@gmail.com>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43F0C290.2010504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F0D038.7070405@ima.umn.edu>

I highly suggest you do not use phpbb. Use YaBB (www.yabbforum.com) 
instead. phpBB has at least 1 security vauln a month, usually more. It 
constantly is the target of large attacks.

YaBB is an awesome forum that has the features of vBB, but is free, like 
phpBB. The biggest difference is that it requires NO database. All the 
data is stored in flat text (sql support to come soon).

Take a look at yabb or other alternatives. But I recommend you stay away 
from phpBB.


Dan Armbrust wrote:

>Raymond Norton wrote:
>  
>
>>I went to sourceforge to find an easy to install, easy to use message
>>board, but most projects do not include screen shots. Is there a big
>>favorite being used by most people?
>>
>>Raymond
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>    
>>
>
>http://www.phpbb.com/
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 



From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 13:03:32 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:03:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1469cda20602131103p45d0b060qce3cc12b6cfa30fe@mail.gmail.com>

I ran the gammut of message board options a couple of months as a new
home for a vBB with some sketchy licensing. I tried a bunch and
settled on punbb. It's fairly simplistic, not a lot of graphics and
such, but it does have a plugin system to add more capabilities.

http://www.punbb.org/


On 2/13/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I went to sourceforge to find an easy to install, easy to use message
> board, but most projects do not include screen shots. Is there a big
> favorite being used by most people?
>
> Raymond
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Mon Feb 13 13:04:18 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:04:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200602131304.AA04180012@sbn-services.com>

What is the switch you are useing? Is this a managed or unmanaged? SNMP capable? etc..


Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com>
To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:27:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question

> Hi there,
> 
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
> 
> > This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
> > you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
> > full duplex?
> 
> Yup.
> 
> > For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
> > up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.
> 
> Hmm. I tried that, and get the same exact speed either way (transferring a 
> ~500Mb file). Now, here's the thing. I get this speed across the network, 
> from pretty much any machine TO pretty much any machine (there's about 10 
> machines). There are two switches and this happens between switches and on 
> each individual switch! All the machines are (confirmed by eth/mii-tool) 
> set to 100FDX. I tried the forced-hdx thing and get the same result...
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 13 13:16:17 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:16:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200602131304.AA04180012@sbn-services.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
	<WorldClient-F200602131304.AA04180012@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131315460.2379@Rooster>

Just a POS SOHO 8-port Switch. Worked fine for years, guess it's time to 
get a new one.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sean Waite wrote:

> What is the switch you are useing? Is this a managed or unmanaged? SNMP capable? etc..
>
>
> Sean Waite
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:27:34 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
>>
>>> This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
>>> you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
>>> full duplex?
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>> For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
>>> up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.
>>
>> Hmm. I tried that, and get the same exact speed either way (transferring a
>> ~500Mb file). Now, here's the thing. I get this speed across the network,
>> from pretty much any machine TO pretty much any machine (there's about 10
>> machines). There are two switches and this happens between switches and on
>> each individual switch! All the machines are (confirmed by eth/mii-tool)
>> set to 100FDX. I tried the forced-hdx thing and get the same result...
>>
>>
>> -Yaron
>>
>> --
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-Yaron

--


From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 13:19:29 2006
From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:19:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <43F0D038.7070405@ima.umn.edu>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43F0C290.2010504@gmail.com> <43F0D038.7070405@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <307a337f0602131119l40d5743cw2d42062a057b4ac7@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/13/06, Nate Sanders <nate at ima.umn.edu> wrote:
> I highly suggest you do not use phpbb. Use YaBB (www.yabbforum.com)
> instead. phpBB has at least 1 security vauln a month, usually more. It
> constantly is the target of large attacks.

Correct.  phpBB is the Sendmail of message boards.

 <snip>


From john.meier at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 17:06:30 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:06:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG classifieds and reviews
Message-ID: <65293fcc0602131506r744f1edbie437fe1a834d92e5@mail.gmail.com>

been looking for a simple classifieds and review board for a small project
I'm on - I like what TCLUG runs, simple, low graphics etc... - anyone know
what it is, or have recommendations?
I've been searching sourceforge and trying out a few ... I've also searched
google.  Haven't seen one like what TCLUG runs though...

thanks
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From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 20:33:31 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:33:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131315460.2379@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602130118080.5137@Rooster>
	<20060213124849.GA4186@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131124440.2379@Rooster>
	<WorldClient-F200602131304.AA04180012@sbn-services.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602131315460.2379@Rooster>
Message-ID: <1469cda20602131833x634b38b1xbadcd29dd485a5e9@mail.gmail.com>

I've encountered a disturbing number of el-cheapo switches lately that
couldn't negotiate properly if their life depended on it (and it did).
I actually just dealt with an almost identical problem. I was using a
Pink/Purple 8-port ABS brand switch that was free after rebates from
newegg. WHen attached to said switch, a server would get about 1Mbit
of throughput. Other devices attached to the switch would get great
throughput. I forced 100M-FD on the server and my throughput made it
to about 8Mbit. The solution: Plug the server into a linksys switch,
plug the linksys switch into the POS switch. I now pull 100Mbit from
that server without much trouble.

-Tom

On 2/13/06, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> Just a POS SOHO 8-port Switch. Worked fine for years, guess it's time to
> get a new one.
>
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sean Waite wrote:
>
> > What is the switch you are useing? Is this a managed or unmanaged? SNMP capable? etc..
> >
> >
> > Sean Waite
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:27:34 -0600 (CST)
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Silly network speed question
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is really indicative of something not supporting full duplex when
> >>> you've told it too.  Does ethtool confirm that the port is really at
> >>> full duplex?
> >>
> >> Yup.
> >>
> >>> For starters, force both ends to half duplex and see if the speed goes
> >>> up.  If it does, at least you know you have a duplex issue.
> >>
> >> Hmm. I tried that, and get the same exact speed either way (transferring a
> >> ~500Mb file). Now, here's the thing. I get this speed across the network,
> >> from pretty much any machine TO pretty much any machine (there's about 10
> >> machines). There are two switches and this happens between switches and on
> >> each individual switch! All the machines are (confirmed by eth/mii-tool)
> >> set to 100FDX. I tried the forced-hdx thing and get the same result...
> >>
> >>
> >> -Yaron
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 13 21:13:07 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:13:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
Message-ID: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Which is more versatile/powerful, Korn or Bash?

Olwe

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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From florin at iucha.net  Mon Feb 13 21:39:39 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:39:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060214033939.GB18240@iucha.net>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 07:13:07PM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Which is more versatile/powerful, Korn or Bash?

For scripting or for interactive use?

For scripting korn used to be more powerful but bash is catching up 
or did already. I use perl or python for scripting anyway.

For interactive use I prefer pdksh (a free ksh clone) because it has
the vi command line editor coupled with tab-based filename completion.

florin

-- 
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From bhurt at spnz.org  Mon Feb 13 23:24:35 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:24:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602132323410.9028@localhost.localdomain>



On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Which is more versatile/powerful, Korn or Bash?

Yes.

Brian



From nate at refried.org  Tue Feb 14 07:39:39 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:39:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602132323410.9028@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602132323410.9028@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20060214133939.GB17577@refried.org>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:24:35PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> > Which is more versatile/powerful, Korn or Bash?
> 
> Yes.

Believe it or not, Brian is absolutely right.  There isn't much of a
difference between Korn and Bash these days.  With a few careful choices
you can write a script that works perfectly in either shell.

If you want a shell war, you'll need to throw tcsh in there too. ;)

Nate


From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Feb 14 08:18:57 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:18:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <20060214033939.GB18240@iucha.net> 
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20060214033939.GB18240@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20060214141857.742DD6826@skuld.wookimus.net>

florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)  wrote:
> For interactive use I prefer pdksh (a free ksh clone) because it has
> the vi command line editor coupled with tab-based filename
> completion.

  bash$ set -o vi
  # Look!  Vi keybindings!!!
  bash$ vi bl[TAB][TAB]
  blee.txt blah.txt
  bash$ source /etc/bash_completion
  bash$ ls
  README			thissong.ogg		thatsong.ogg
  NONOGGFILE		here.mp3			there.mp3
  bash$ ogg123 [TAB][TAB]
  thissong.ogg	thatsong.ogg
  bash$ cd ~/checkout/cvs/someproject
  bash$ cvs [TAB][TAB]
  ... list of cvs commands ...

For all GNU software that links against readline library, which
includes BASH, you can customize your experience with ~/.inputrc.
Mine is relatively simple:

  # .inputrc - inputrc for libreadline
  # See readline(3readline) and `info readline' for more information.

  # Use vi mode
  set editing-mode vi

  # Be 8 bit clean.
  set input-meta on
  set output-meta on

  # To allow the use of 8bit-characters like the german umlauts, comment out
  # the line below. However this makes the meta key not work as a meta key,
  # which is annoying to those which don't need to type in 8-bit characters.

  set convert-meta off

  # Other options
  set mark-directories on
  set visible-stats on
  set mark-modified-lines on

  set horizontal-scroll-mode on

That why, I never have to type "set -o vi" or add that to my
~/.bashrc.  The bonus is that if you're using another application that
links against readline lib, you get customized keybindings for free.
lftp is my favorite command-line ftp client.  It has vi keybindings
because it uses libreadline. ;-)

There was an interesting BASH article recently that talked about
"themes".  Essentially, the author had created a way to source
different BASH scripts into his current environment using a command
"Theme <theme>".  Obviously a Mac user, but not a bad idea.  The
article is here:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/02/02/bash_themes.html

Another good source for information, other than /usr/share/doc/bash,
is http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html.

Which is more powerful or easier to use?  pdksh or BASH?  I think it
all depends upon your familiarity with shells.  If you used to work on
DEC machines, you probably used ksh.  pdksh is an obvious choice.  If
you worked on Sun machines or BSD machines (9 < Mac OS <= 10.2.x),
you're probably more familiar with csh.  tcsh is an obvious choice.
If you've used Linux (or Mac OS >= 10.3.x) for most of your *NIX
experience, you'ld probably be using BASH.

For simple scripting, try to stick with POSIX sh commands.  Every *NIX
system has a POSIX compatible sh interpretor, BASH being "mostly"
POSIX if you ask it to be.  ash and dash are both minimalistic shells
that implement POSIX, period.  Even if you don't use them in every-day
terminal life, they're good to have around.  Write a script and run
"dash -n" to see if it's syntax-clean without running it.

For more complex scripting, choose Python, Perl, or even Scheme (GNU
Guile, for instance).  Python and Perl will most likely be installed
on all Linux platforms in one version or another.  GNU Guile *may* be
installed, but it wouldn't be difficult to ask someone to add it for
you.

Anyway, back to the grind.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 10:27:16 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:27:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>


Damn I hate to do this, but I'm stumped and need a little help.

So two days ago now, I decided to switch my Ubuntu box from Hoary to 
Breezy.  Edited /etc/apt/sources.list to replace hoary with breezy, did an 
apt-get dist-upgrade, and have spent the last two days fixing problems.

The last problem seems to be that X is comming up in 640x480 mode and 
refuses to do anything higher.  Needless to say, this doesn't work as well 
as the 1280x1024 mode I'm used to.  I think it's stuck in default VGA-only 
mode, and the nvidia driver isn't loading.  The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file 
looks OK to me (it's attached, in case anyone cares).  I've done a 
modprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidiafb to make sure the kernel modules are 
loaded.

Note that to resolve some conflicts, I had to remove a bunch of packages. 
GDM was one of the ones I removed and have had to reinstall.  The solution 
is probably "install this package", I just don't know which package(s) I 
need to install.  I've tried some random probing (apt-get X11, apt-get 
gnome, etc.), but to no avail.  Also, don't assume I'm not missing/have 
checked something obvious.  This really feels like an "is it plugged in" 
sort of problem.

I'd rather not uninstall the nvidia drivers, I would like some 3D 
acceleration with my GeForce-4 (MX 440 AGP 8x, as reported by lspci).

Thanks.

Brian
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# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
        # paths to defoma fonts
	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"GLcore"
	Load	"i2c"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"dri"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"type1"
	Load	"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
	Driver		"nv"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"AccuSync 90"
	Option		"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
	Monitor		"AccuSync 90"
	DefaultDepth	24
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode	0666
EndSection

From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 10:50:57 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:50:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
	Driver		"nv"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

This is going to sound kludgey, but try removing and reinstalling the nvidia
driver.  But even without it, your modes look fine, which puzzles me.

As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.

On 2/14/06, Brian Hurt <bhurt at spnz.org> wrote:
>
>
> Damn I hate to do this, but I'm stumped and need a little help.
>
> So two days ago now, I decided to switch my Ubuntu box from Hoary to
> Breezy.  Edited /etc/apt/sources.list to replace hoary with breezy, did an
> apt-get dist-upgrade, and have spent the last two days fixing problems.
>
> The last problem seems to be that X is comming up in 640x480 mode and
> refuses to do anything higher.  Needless to say, this doesn't work as well
> as the 1280x1024 mode I'm used to.  I think it's stuck in default VGA-only
> mode, and the nvidia driver isn't loading.  The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
> looks OK to me (it's attached, in case anyone cares).  I've done a
> modprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidiafb to make sure the kernel modules are
> loaded.
>
> Note that to resolve some conflicts, I had to remove a bunch of packages.
> GDM was one of the ones I removed and have had to reinstall.  The solution
> is probably "install this package", I just don't know which package(s) I
> need to install.  I've tried some random probing (apt-get X11, apt-get
> gnome, etc.), but to no avail.  Also, don't assume I'm not missing/have
> checked something obvious.  This really feels like an "is it plugged in"
> sort of problem.
>
> I'd rather not uninstall the nvidia drivers, I would like some 3D
> acceleration with my GeForce-4 (MX 440 AGP 8x, as reported by lspci).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
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From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 11:07:42 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:07:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890602140907q42ada93fu686c032cb7d83224@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anything interesting in the xorg log?  I'd be curious to see
what'd happen if you got rid of the unwanted modes and restarted X.

Also, have you tried the "nvidia" driver (as opposed to "nv") ?

sm


On 2/14/06, Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Section "Device"
>  Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
>  Driver "nv"
>  BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
> EndSection
>  This is going to sound kludgey, but try removing and reinstalling the
> nvidia driver.  But even without it, your modes look fine, which puzzles me.
>
> As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
> unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
>
>
> On 2/14/06, Brian Hurt <bhurt at spnz.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Damn I hate to do this, but I'm stumped and need a little help.
> >
> > So two days ago now, I decided to switch my Ubuntu box from Hoary to
> > Breezy.  Edited /etc/apt/sources.list to replace hoary with breezy, did an
> > apt-get dist-upgrade, and have spent the last two days fixing problems.
> >
> > The last problem seems to be that X is comming up in 640x480 mode and
> > refuses to do anything higher.  Needless to say, this doesn't work as well
> > as the 1280x1024 mode I'm used to.  I think it's stuck in default VGA-only
> > mode, and the nvidia driver isn't loading.  The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
> > looks OK to me (it's attached, in case anyone cares).  I've done a
> > modprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidiafb to make sure the kernel modules are
> > loaded.
> >
> > Note that to resolve some conflicts, I had to remove a bunch of packages.
> > GDM was one of the ones I removed and have had to reinstall.  The solution
> > is probably "install this package", I just don't know which package(s) I
> > need to install.  I've tried some random probing (apt-get X11, apt-get
> > gnome, etc.), but to no avail.  Also, don't assume I'm not missing/have
> > checked something obvious.  This really feels like an "is it plugged in"
> > sort of problem.
> >
> > I'd rather not uninstall the nvidia drivers, I would like some 3D
> > acceleration with my GeForce-4 (MX 440 AGP 8x, as reported by lspci).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Feb 14 11:08:51 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:08:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <20060214133939.GB17577@refried.org>
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602132323410.9028@localhost.localdomain>
	<20060214133939.GB17577@refried.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602141101180.9210@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Nate Straz wrote:

> If you want a shell war, you'll need to throw tcsh in there too. ;)


OS X dropped tcsh as the default shell in favor of bash.  The history is 
that tcsh was a Berkeley product and bash is a GNU product, so tcsh went 
with FreeBSD, and from there to OS X.  I was a Solaris user and was stuck 
for years with csh, which is abysmal (tcsh does absolutely everything that 
csh does, but a *lot* more and it is fully csh-compatible).  Tcsh is 
actually a very nice shell and has nearly all of the features you'll find 
in bash, even a few that bash is lacking, but I have to admit that it is 
best for me to switch to bash for several reasons.  The main reason is 
that bash has become the standard shell to use in Linux and OS X, so I 
should train students on bash unless I have a good reason to teach them 
tcsh.  The only reason I have to teach tcsh is that I know it.  I need to 
learn bash now.

In addition to the above issues, there is this:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/

Criticisms of csh as a scripting language apply equally to tcsh.  Most of 
you have seen that article already.  It's really good.  I think it is 
worth studying if you want to gain a deeper understanding of shell 
scripting.

Mike


From admin at lctn.org  Tue Feb 14 11:18:52 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:18:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] I want to be an open relay
Message-ID: <44291.64.8.148.12.1139937532.squirrel@lctn.org>

I set up a new mailscanner server and attempted to test it by configuring
our current relay servers mailertable to send all mail that we scan for
one domain to the new server. Then I configured the new relay to send the
mail to the target domain. Unfortunately, the original server just queues
the mail instead of sending it on to the new relay. I am not getting any
error messages in either mail log, and no new records are generated on the
new server. I have set the mailertable to use smtp, esmtp, relay, and
ignore the mx record. I can telnet to port 25 from one server to the
other, and send mail to the new server, which shows up in my mailwatch
screen.

Both servers are running sendmail 8.13.1

Are there more logging functions I can turn on, or maybe an easy fix?

Raymond


From scotjenkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 11:30:08 2006
From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:30:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
In-Reply-To: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060214031307.81075.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a22a1f920602140930p1d5cba3p73acdef963038d12@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/13/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Which is more versatile/powerful, Korn or Bash?
>

For daily interactive use, I'd recommend bash if it's installed on
your system.  If not "ksh -o vi" works nicely.

I write all my shell scripts in /bin/sh since that makes them the most
portable.  It's the one shell that's guaranteed to exist on all *NIX
systems.

scot


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue Feb 14 12:16:53 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:16:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
> As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
> unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.

In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu? Because my experience with Debian
is that while there are occasional issues with upgrades, upgrades
work very well.  As the saying goes, "Reinstalls are for Windows."

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |


From smac at visi.com  Tue Feb 14 12:29:02 2006
From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:29:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1139941742.43f2216ec5cd9@my.visi.com>

How many hours do you spend before you "Reinstall"?

You may want to down load the ISO and do an upgrade.


Sam.

Quoting Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu>:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
> > As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
> > unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> > reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
>
> In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
> unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu? Because my experience with Debian
> is that while there are occasional issues with upgrades, upgrades
> work very well.  As the saying goes, "Reinstalls are for Windows."
>
> --
> Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List
> (TCLUG)
> Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/
> Never laugh at live dragons  |
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>





From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 12:36:26 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:36:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
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Specifically regarding Ubuntu (n00b alert: it's all I know), especially from
5.04 to 5.10.  It's supposed to be better with 6.04.

On 2/14/06, Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
> > As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
> > unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> > reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
>
> In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
> unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu? Because my experience with Debian
> is that while there are occasional issues with upgrades, upgrades
> work very well.  As the saying goes, "Reinstalls are for Windows."
>
> --
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> (TCLUG)
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From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 12:38:34 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:38:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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That's all secondhand info.  I'm a beginner (been running Ubuntu 5.10 since
October), I have yet to upgrade.  After seeing some comments here, though, I
may try to dist-upgrade when Dapper goes out.

On 2/14/06, smac at visi.com <smac at visi.com> wrote:
>
> How many hours do you spend before you "Reinstall"?
>
> You may want to down load the ISO and do an upgrade.
>
>
> Sam.
>
> Quoting Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu>:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
> > > As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a
> generally
> > > unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> > > reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
> >
> > In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
> > unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu? Because my experience with Debian
> > is that while there are occasional issues with upgrades, upgrades
> > work very well.  As the saying goes, "Reinstalls are for Windows."
> >
> > --
> > Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List
> > (TCLUG)
> > Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/
> > Never laugh at live dragons  |
> >
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Feb 14 12:46:49 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:46:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Scot Jenkins wrote:

> I write all my shell scripts in /bin/sh since that makes them the most 
> portable.  It's the one shell that's guaranteed to exist on all *NIX 
> systems.


That's a good point.  Is it *always* in that exact directory?  It 
certainly is on Solaris, AIX and Linux.  Having the path right definitely 
makes it easier when dealing with inexperienced users.

Mike


From eric at vangyzen.net  Tue Feb 14 13:01:39 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:01:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
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Mike Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> 
>> I write all my shell scripts in /bin/sh since that makes them the most 
>> portable.  It's the one shell that's guaranteed to exist on all *NIX 
>> systems.
> 
> That's a good point.  Is it *always* in that exact directory?  It 
> certainly is on Solaris, AIX and Linux.  Having the path right definitely 
> makes it easier when dealing with inexperienced users.

Yep, as required by IEEE Std 1003.1 ("POSIX.1" -- the Portable Operating 
System Interface).

For other shells/languages, the recommended usage is

     #!/usr/bin/env bash

The "env" command runs a command with a [possibly] modified environment. 
  The above usage does not modify the environment; it merely takes 
advantage of a "value-added" feature: env finds the command in the PATH.

Eric


From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 13:14:47 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:14:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Mike Miller wrote:

> That's a good point.  Is it *always* in that exact directory?  It
> certainly is on Solaris, AIX and Linux.  Having the path right definitely
> makes it easier when dealing with inexperienced users.

I shudder to think how many things would break if something very like 
Bourne Shell wasn't at /bin/sh (at least as a link).  I don't know of any 
standard that *requires* there be a /bin/sh, but any Unix which didn't 
have one would be pretty rapidly auto-Darwinated out of the gene pool.

Brian



From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 13:19:46 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:19:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, smac at visi.com wrote:

> How many hours do you spend before you "Reinstall"?
>
> You may want to down load the ISO and do an upgrade.

I tend to do backup/reformat/install from scratch upgrades no more often 
than every two years- they're just too disruptive.  Before switching to 
Ubuntu, I was running redhat 9- and before that, redhat 7.  I only tried 
the hoary->breezy switch because I thought it'd be easy- if I knew two 
days ago what I know now, I'd still be on hoary.  At this point, Dapper 
simply ain't going to happen.

Brian



From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 13:35:02 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:35:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Pete Daniels wrote:

> Section "Device"
> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
> 	Driver		"nv"
> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
> EndSection
>
> This is going to sound kludgey, but try removing and reinstalling the nvidia
> driver.  But even without it, your modes look fine, which puzzles me.

Tried this, didn't work.

Brian



From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 13:39:58 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:39:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Sam Martin wrote:

> Is there anything interesting in the xorg log?

Yes, actually there is.  Just went paging through, and found a whole bunch 
of lines of the format:
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range)

except the resolutions keep changing.  These are followed by:
(**) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes for display device CRT-0:
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz 
(D)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 640 x 480

Which is my problem.  It *is* properly detecting the nvidia card, which is 
nice to know- it just looks like I have hsync configuration problems.

> I'd be curious to see
> what'd happen if you got rid of the unwanted modes and restarted X.

Didn't help.

>
> Also, have you tried the "nvidia" driver (as opposed to "nv") ?

No.  The nvidia driver is what I want to be using, not the nv driver, tho- 
thanks for the tip.

Brian



From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 13:42:49 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Sam Martin wrote:

> Is there anything interesting in the xorg log?  I'd be curious to see
> what'd happen if you got rid of the unwanted modes and restarted X.

Attached is a compressed copy of the log, if anyone is interested.  I 
compressed it so those not interested in it aren't having to download some 
gargantuan (well, OK, 30K) email message.

Brian
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Tue Feb 14 13:35:27 2006
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:35:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
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You could try Citadel...

citadel.org

Webcit is the web front end.  You can try out a live site
by visiting uncensored.citadel.org and getting an account.

A bit more than a message board and is a sign up process, but
the sign up process is user driven.  It has some nice features
like being able to replicate between citadel setups and other
items like groupdav and imap access.

Kelly



From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 14:03:23 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:03:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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Dunno if it'll help, but have you tried adding VertRefresh and
HorizSync settings to your xorg.conf ?   I don't have an lcd, but my
crt section looks like:

<snip>
Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "CRT"
        Option          "DPMS"
        HorizSync       30-70
        VertRefresh     50-160
EndSection
</snip>


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Fri Feb  3 01:49:57 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:49:57 -0000
Subject: No subject
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...
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0
(II) NVIDIA(0): AccuSync 90: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): AccuSync 90: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 Hz
...

You might want to try doing a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (don't
quote me on that command.... I'm too lazy to look it up.  Google it
first), if you haven't done so already.

sm

On 2/14/06, Brian Hurt <bhurt at spnz.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Sam Martin wrote:
>
> > Is there anything interesting in the xorg log?  I'd be curious to see
> > what'd happen if you got rid of the unwanted modes and restarted X.
>
> Attached is a compressed copy of the log, if anyone is interested.  I
> compressed it so those not interested in it aren't having to download som=
e
> gargantuan (well, OK, 30K) email message.
>
> Brian
>
>
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From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 14:11:52 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:11:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Sam Martin wrote:

> Dunno if it'll help, but have you tried adding VertRefresh and
> HorizSync settings to your xorg.conf ?   I don't have an lcd, but my
> crt section looks like:

I don't have a LCD either.  It's a NEC AccuSync 90 19" CRT.

>
> <snip>
> Section "Monitor"
>        Identifier      "CRT"
>        Option          "DPMS"
>        HorizSync       30-70
>        VertRefresh     50-160
> EndSection
> </snip>

Now we're cooking with gas.  Adding the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines 
from above to my Xorg.conf file fixes it, giving me 1280x1024.

Brian



From admin at lctn.org  Tue Feb 14 14:27:42 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:27:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] I want to be an open relay
In-Reply-To: <43F218A5.3020906@cruiskeenconsulting.com>
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> Usually the easiest thing with this sort of issue is to run sendmail in
> rule testing mode ---
> For example ---
>
> sendmail -bt
>> /parse admin at lctn.org

That didn't help me, but from tailing the maillog I can see my mailertable
is being ignored by sendmail, even though it has been changed to the IP of
the new server and MailScanner has been restarted.


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Feb 14 15:29:49 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:29:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Korn or Bash?
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Brian Hurt wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> That's a good point.  Is it *always* in that exact directory?  It 
>> certainly is on Solaris, AIX and Linux.  Having the path right 
>> definitely makes it easier when dealing with inexperienced users.
>
> I shudder to think how many things would break if something very like 
> Bourne Shell wasn't at /bin/sh (at least as a link).  I don't know of 
> any standard that *requires* there be a /bin/sh, but any Unix which 
> didn't have one would be pretty rapidly auto-Darwinated out of the gene 
> pool.


Is it part of the official UNIX standard?  If it isn't, I think it should 
be.

Mike


From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 14 18:30:17 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:30:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Initializing an array of Function Pointers
Message-ID: <20060215003017.82096.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm looking at a tutorial on function pointers and I
see this code:

typedef int (*pt2Function)(float, char, char);
...
pt2Function funcArr1[10] = {NULL};

So the typedef creates a variable called pt2Function
that will house a pointer to a function. That function
takes parameters float, char, and char. Okay, but the
int refers to the type of pt2Function, right? It's not
saying that the function will eventually return an
int, right?

Also when the funcArr1 array is created it is created
as type pt2Function of size 10. But what's going on
with the {NULL} assignment? I'm pretty sure this is
some sort of initialization, but a quick glance says
it's initializing the 10th member of the array to NULL
but not the first 9. I know that's not right, but what
am I missing here?

Olwe

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 19:07:04 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:07:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Initializing an array of Function Pointers
In-Reply-To: <20060215003017.82096.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060215003017.82096.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> I'm looking at a tutorial on function pointers and I
> see this code:
>
> typedef int (*pt2Function)(float, char, char);
> ...
> pt2Function funcArr1[10] = {NULL};
>
> So the typedef creates a variable called pt2Function
> that will house a pointer to a function.

No.  It's giving a type a name.  In this case, the name is pt2Function, 
and the type is a pointer to a function that takes three arguments (a 
float and two chars), and returns an int.

This stuff works on precendences- just like multiplication and division 
happens before addition and subtraction, so that 3 + 4 * 5 is parsed as 3 
+ (4 * 5) and not (3 + 4) * 5.

In this case, the (float, char, char) binds before the * does, so:
 	int * pt2Function(float, char, char);
binds like:
 	(int *) (pt2Function(float, char, char));

-i.e. a function returning a pointer to an int, not a pointer to a 
function returning an int.  So the parens above are necessary to "rebind" 
the * correctly.


> That function
> takes parameters float, char, and char. Okay, but the
> int refers to the type of pt2Function, right? It's not
> saying that the function will eventually return an
> int, right?

It is saying that the function being pointed to will return an int.

>
> Also when the funcArr1 array is created it is created
> as type pt2Function of size 10. But what's going on
> with the {NULL} assignment? I'm pretty sure this is
> some sort of initialization, but a quick glance says
> it's initializing the 10th member of the array to NULL
> but not the first 9. I know that's not right, but what
> am I missing here?

This is bad form in C code.  It'll work, but it's a bad idea.  What he's 
doing is initializing the *first* element in the array to NULL, and all 
other elements to 0.  There is no gaurentee that NULL is 0- just that 
*casting* 0 to a pointer type results in NULL.  This is generally true 
however.  So the code works, generally.

Brian



From florin at iucha.net  Tue Feb 14 19:20:27 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:20:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Initializing an array of Function Pointers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141853320.17832@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20060215003017.82096.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:07:04PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
> > Also when the funcArr1 array is created it is created
> > as type pt2Function of size 10. But what's going on
> > with the {NULL} assignment? I'm pretty sure this is
> > some sort of initialization, but a quick glance says
> > it's initializing the 10th member of the array to NULL
> > but not the first 9. I know that's not right, but what
> > am I missing here?
> 
> This is bad form in C code.  It'll work, but it's a bad idea.  What he's 
> doing is initializing the *first* element in the array to NULL, and all 
> other elements to 0.  There is no gaurentee that NULL is 0- just that 
> *casting* 0 to a pointer type results in NULL.  This is generally true 
> however.  So the code works, generally.

Only if it is static. Otherwise, items 1 through 9 contain garbage.

florin

-- 
Don't question authority: they don't know either!
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From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 14 19:56:02 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Initializing an array of Function Pointers
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Florin Iucha wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:07:04PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
>>> Also when the funcArr1 array is created it is created
>>> as type pt2Function of size 10. But what's going on
>>> with the {NULL} assignment? I'm pretty sure this is
>>> some sort of initialization, but a quick glance says
>>> it's initializing the 10th member of the array to NULL
>>> but not the first 9. I know that's not right, but what
>>> am I missing here?
>>
>> This is bad form in C code.  It'll work, but it's a bad idea.  What he's
>> doing is initializing the *first* element in the array to NULL, and all
>> other elements to 0.  There is no gaurentee that NULL is 0- just that
>> *casting* 0 to a pointer type results in NULL.  This is generally true
>> however.  So the code works, generally.
>
> Only if it is static. Otherwise, items 1 through 9 contain garbage.

Good point.  I habitually initialize all of my variables, so I don't 
bother to remember the tricky aspects of what gets automatically 
initialized to what.

Brian


From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 11:31:01 2006
From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:31:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
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On 2/14/06, Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
> > As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
> > unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
> > reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
>
> In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
> unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu?<snip>

My experience is that it works better for Debian itself rather than
Debian based distros.  The two I''ve blown up are Mepis and Ubuntu.


From patrickm at citilink.com  Wed Feb 15 11:48:32 2006
From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:48:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <307a337f0602150931l900baf0v88aef955a8e63ffb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>	<20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
	<307a337f0602150931l900baf0v88aef955a8e63ffb@mail.gmail.com>
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Ryan wrote:
> On 2/14/06, Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Pete Daniels wrote:
>>
>>>As an aside, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is, from all I've heard, a generally
>>>unreliable way to do business.  When Dapper releases in April, I'd
>>>reccommend a backup of /home and a fresh install.
>>
>>In what context did you hear that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was
>>unreliable?  Just for Ubuntu?<snip>
> 
> 
> My experience is that it works better for Debian itself rather than
> Debian based distros.  The two I''ve blown up are Mepis and Ubuntu.
> 

Just as another data point, I did a dist-upgrade of kubuntu on my laptop 
last fall and had no problems. I ran partimage to save the root 
partition first, because this sort of thing always makes me nervous.

Patrick McCabe


From bhurt at spnz.org  Wed Feb 15 12:05:25 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:05:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu/X help
In-Reply-To: <307a337f0602150931l900baf0v88aef955a8e63ffb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602141017110.23389@localhost.localdomain>
	<1f729feb0602140850i2c8341d8r6a29dfe1915cf87b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060214121653.A19227@baker.space.umn.edu>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151204310.17832@localhost.localdomain>


By the way, I did want to explicitly thank everyone for helping.  Problem 
solved.

Brian



From swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us  Mon Feb 13 14:48:31 2006
From: swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us (Steven White)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:48:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] From the February 11 meeting
Message-ID: <s3f09c4c.022@con-gw.ci.bloomington.mn.us>

The subject of earning money through Linux came up.  I mentioned a web site I had found that seemed to be trying to create an internet-based Linux support business.  Someone asked for the name.  I did not remember it.  I have found it.  Here it is.

http://support.marko.net/



Steven White
City of Bloomington
1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
Bloomington MN 55431-3096
USA
952-563-4882 (voice)
952-563-4672 (fax)
steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us



From shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com  Tue Feb 14 15:06:59 2006
From: shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:06:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] I want to be an open relay
In-Reply-To: <35180.64.8.148.11.1139948862.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44291.64.8.148.12.1139937532.squirrel@lctn.org>	<43F218A5.3020906@cruiskeenconsulting.com>
	<35180.64.8.148.11.1139948862.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43F24673.5080402@cruiskeenconsulting.com>

Raymond Norton wrote:

>>Usually the easiest thing with this sort of issue is to run sendmail in
>>rule testing mode ---
>>For example ---
>>
>>sendmail -bt
>>    
>>
>>>/parse admin at lctn.org
>>>      
>>>
>
>That didn't help me, but from tailing the maillog I can see my mailertable
>is being ignored by sendmail, even though it has been changed to the IP of
>the new server and MailScanner has been restarted.
>
>  
>

Do you have
FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db')dnl
In you sendmail.mc file?

Did you make the mailertable database from the mailertable file?

>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>



From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 12:20:28 2006
From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:20:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
Message-ID: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>

Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for V-day/anniversary so
now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's good?

leif
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 12:32:46 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:32:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602121020360.3662@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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Putty has been ported to Linux. While most of us prefer the command
line ssh, someone coming over from Windows may prefer the GUI options
offered by putty.

Joe, what you need to do to solve your problem is to install the
development libraries. You should be able to do this from SuSE's
package manager. Check the readme file included in the putty source to
see what needs to be installed before you can build putty.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 12:38:26 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20060214193526.GA9183@mail.penguinpackets.com>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<1469cda20602131103p45d0b060qce3cc12b6cfa30fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060214193526.GA9183@mail.penguinpackets.com>
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I've never had any problems with phpbb myself. I always install new
security fixes promptly however. :)


--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Feb 15 12:38:12 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:38:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151230500.3756@Rooster>

Hey there,

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Leif Johnson wrote:

> Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for V-day/anniversary so
> now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
> recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's good?

Well, I did just publish my first ever podcast... but you /did/ ask for 
/good/ stuff (;

Might be somewhat nerdy, but NPR does have a lot of shows avaiable as 
podcasts. If you're an NPR listener, check if your favourite shows have 
podcasts. If you're NOT a regular NPR listener, try "Wait Wait... Don't 
Tell Me!" 
(http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=5183214) which 
is a pretty funny news quiz show.

Or visit http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_directory.php for the NPR 
Podcast Directory.


-Yaron

--


From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 12:36:37 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:36:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020602151036s54f3f04eo486fe00b82226204@mail.gmail.com>

Science Friday.
Future Tense.
Marketplace *
Cartalk. *
This Week in Tech.
Security Now


* I record these myself using a USB raidio tuner, aarecord, and lame.
I use DirCaster to generate a basic RSS feed that iTunes can use to
grab the mp3s from my internal web server.  (See www.shadydentist.com
for DirCaster)

That's about it.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 12:43:03 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:43:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020602151038l7175ccc4yf7dbaba1678e9593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<1469cda20602131103p45d0b060qce3cc12b6cfa30fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060214193526.GA9183@mail.penguinpackets.com>
	<e3a54b020602151038l7175ccc4yf7dbaba1678e9593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0602151043q77fd94f9yaf39e4ae44481457@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/15/06, Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never had any problems with phpbb myself. I always install new
> security fixes promptly however. :)

Ditto - I've been running a phpbb forum for 3+ years and I've never
had a problem with it.


From tmarble at info9.net  Wed Feb 15 12:42:28 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:42:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F37614.8080204@info9.net>

Leif Johnson wrote:
> Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for V-day/anniversary
> so now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
> recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's good? 

Not listening to all, yet ;-) But here's some things on the "to listen" list:

Make Magazine
  http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/how_to_make_enh.html
NPR
  http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_directory.php
Democracy Now!
  http://www.democracynow.org/podcast_help.shtml
Nerd TV
  (note: also downloadable videos)
  http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/rss/
Some Assembly Required
  http://www.some-assembly-required.net/

HTH,

--Tom


From tclug at steamedpenguin.com  Wed Feb 15 13:09:05 2006
From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendation
In-Reply-To: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <36816.64.8.148.11.1139849798.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <200602151309.05909.tclug@steamedpenguin.com>

On Monday 13 February 2006 10:56, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I went to sourceforge to find an easy to install, easy to use message
> board, but most projects do not include screen shots. Is there a big
> favorite being used by most people?

http://getvanilla.com/

I am using it at http://www.steampress.org/forum/ but I have no clue about 
performance yet.

What I like: The markup output is nice. Much more userfriendly than the table 
crap fora like phpBB put out.

I know from a friend in Atlanta that their PHPUG is looking at FUDForum for 
their needs.

-- 
Samir M. Nassar
SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/


From drue at therub.org  Wed Feb 15 12:48:30 2006
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:48:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] newbie trying putty
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020602151032t510e0e0bhe8c6d418b7217c01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43ee63a9.5c4c1323.7b72.2859@mx.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0602121020360.3662@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<e3a54b020602151032t510e0e0bhe8c6d418b7217c01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060215184830.GL95897@therub.org>

On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:32:46PM -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> Putty has been ported to Linux. While most of us prefer the command
> line ssh, someone coming over from Windows may prefer the GUI options
> offered by putty.
> 
> Joe, what you need to do to solve your problem is to install the
> development libraries. You should be able to do this from SuSE's
> package manager. Check the readme file included in the putty source to
> see what needs to be installed before you can build putty.

Wow..  This is easily the most blasphemous thing heard on tclug in a
while..  putty's gui is terrible!  ;)

Why spend time trying to get putty compiled when far superior options
are already installed with his distro.  No point in switching to linux
if you're not willing to adapt a little - and I assume the original
poster just wasn't aware of the "linux way".

To the original poster, just go to any terminal (i'm sure you've got
half a dozen installed) and type ssh followed by the hostname to which
you would like to connect.

Humbly, 
drue


From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 13:35:16 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:35:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>

I've recently obtained my first PowerBook G4 and being the CLI freak I
am find myself at the terminal quite often.  I am one to have numerous
terminals open at a time and would prefer something that has some
snazzier session management.  Google didn't yield any quick results
for me.  I guess what I'm looking for is something along the lines of
Konsole with the terminals all in a single container and having access
to each one by a tab.  Has anyone seen or is using something like this
for OS X (Tiger)?

--
Donovan Niesen


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Wed Feb 15 13:47:18 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:47:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1140032838.6759.254469863@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I believe OS X comes with Screen.


----- Original message -----
From: "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com>
To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:35:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement

I've recently obtained my first PowerBook G4 and being the CLI freak I
am find myself at the terminal quite often.  I am one to have numerous
terminals open at a time and would prefer something that has some
snazzier session management.  Google didn't yield any quick results
for me.  I guess what I'm looking for is something along the lines of
Konsole with the terminals all in a single container and having access
to each one by a tab.  Has anyone seen or is using something like this
for OS X (Tiger)?

--
Donovan Niesen

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Wed Feb 15 13:51:07 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:51:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11720.163.231.6.67.1140033067.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

On Wed, February 15, 2006 1:35 pm, Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I guess what I'm looking for is something along the lines of
> Konsole with the terminals all in a single container and having access
> to each one by a tab.  Has anyone seen or is using something like this
> for OS X (Tiger)?

Have you looked at iTerm?

http://iterm.sourceforge.net/

Dave Carlson

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From timo at bolverk.net  Wed Feb 15 13:50:28 2006
From: timo at bolverk.net (Tim Oudin)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:50:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1677EBDF-0D2F-430E-9B76-610BB310907F@bolverk.net>


On Feb 15, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Donovan Niesen wrote:

> I've recently obtained my first PowerBook G4 and being the CLI freak I
> am find myself at the terminal quite often.  I am one to have numerous
> terminals open at a time and would prefer something that has some
> snazzier session management.  Google didn't yield any quick results
> for me.  I guess what I'm looking for is something along the lines of
> Konsole with the terminals all in a single container and having access
> to each one by a tab.  Has anyone seen or is using something like this
> for OS X (Tiger)?

I'm not a huge fan but this has tab functionality.

http://iterm.sourceforge.net/

timo



From rwh at visi.com  Wed Feb 15 14:01:05 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:01:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151230500.3756@Rooster>
References: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151230500.3756@Rooster>
Message-ID: <43F38881.7040504@visi.com>

I haven't had time to listen to podcasts for a while but Whole Wheat 
Radio from Talkeetna, AK was kinda fun as was Coverville. WWR is music 
and commentary from a B&B near Denali. Coverville provides the 
background on some obscure covers of well known songs.

--rick


http://www.wholewheatradio.org/
http://www.coverville.com/

Yaron wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Leif Johnson wrote:

> Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for V-day/anniversary so
> now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
> recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's good?
> 


From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 14:03:40 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:03:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
In-Reply-To: <1677EBDF-0D2F-430E-9B76-610BB310907F@bolverk.net>
References: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
	<1677EBDF-0D2F-430E-9B76-610BB310907F@bolverk.net>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70602151203j41bba1e2pe180a7ca86cd9748@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/15/06, Tim Oudin <timo at bolverk.net> wrote:
>
> On Feb 15, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Donovan Niesen wrote:
>
> > I've recently obtained my first PowerBook G4 and being the CLI freak I
> > am find myself at the terminal quite often.  I am one to have numerous
> > terminals open at a time and would prefer something that has some
> > snazzier session management.  Google didn't yield any quick results
> > for me.  I guess what I'm looking for is something along the lines of
> > Konsole with the terminals all in a single container and having access
> > to each one by a tab.  Has anyone seen or is using something like this
> > for OS X (Tiger)?
>
> I'm not a huge fan but this has tab functionality.
>
> http://iterm.sourceforge.net/
>
> timo
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

Ahh yes iTerm will do nicely.  Also good to know that I can use screen
as well.  Always been a fan of screen for leaving terminal sessions up
and running (perfect for btlaunchmanycurses).

--
Donovan Niesen


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 15:43:24 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:43:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
Message-ID: <fc40260f0602151343n563422c0j32f2aec30a981e04@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
the printer back into operation.

Any ideas?


----
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org


From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Feb 15 15:47:06 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:47:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: OS X terminal replacement
In-Reply-To: <1677EBDF-0D2F-430E-9B76-610BB310907F@bolverk.net> 
References: <47f4d5e70602151135h7cd53b2m12ec571f26473b27@mail.gmail.com>
	<1677EBDF-0D2F-430E-9B76-610BB310907F@bolverk.net>
Message-ID: <20060215214706.957DD6ADD@skuld.wookimus.net>

Tim Oudin <timo at bolverk.net>  wrote:
> I'm not a huge fan but this has tab functionality.
> 
> http://iterm.sourceforge.net/

iterm is SLOOOOOOOOOOW.  At least the last time I tried it.  I just
start up the X11 server and use xterm.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From timo at bolverk.net  Wed Feb 15 16:02:53 2006
From: timo at bolverk.net (Tim Oudin)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:02:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0602151343n563422c0j32f2aec30a981e04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc40260f0602151343n563422c0j32f2aec30a981e04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B439282-B469-4602-9C84-900AFC8E748D@bolverk.net>


On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Erik Anderson wrote:

> Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
> of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
> online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
> the printer back into operation.
>
> Any ideas?

In general, a small group of good guys, I've dealt with them for some  
support stuff.

http://www.acoupleofgurus.com/

Also, I've bought from following as well.  I can pass along a contact  
name and vouch for their support after loosing 2 HDD's and processor  
within the first six months...

http://www.arlingtoncp.com/


timo


From auditodd at comcast.net  Wed Feb 15 21:01:32 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:01:32 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
Message-ID: <021620060301.8849.43F3EB0C000C7B910000229122007623020B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
> of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
> online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
> the printer back into operation.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> ----
> Erik Anderson

Give Smith Micro a call. I'm not sure if they supply parts, but I have bought a couple HP LaserJet 5si printers from them.

Todd Young




From clay at fandre.com  Wed Feb 15 23:23:38 2006
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:23:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG classifieds and reviews
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0602131506r744f1edbie437fe1a834d92e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0602131506r744f1edbie437fe1a834d92e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F40C5A.4010806@fandre.com>

My Classifieds
http://fuzzymonkey.net/cgi-bin/newfuzzy/software.cgi

John Meier wrote:
> been looking for a simple classifieds and review board for a small project
> I'm on - I like what TCLUG runs, simple, low graphics etc... - anyone know
> what it is, or have recommendations?
> I've been searching sourceforge and trying out a few ... I've also searched
> google.  Haven't seen one like what TCLUG runs though...
> 
> thanks
> 


From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 07:55:05 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:55:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
In-Reply-To: <021620060301.8849.43F3EB0C000C7B910000229122007623020B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <021620060301.8849.43F3EB0C000C7B910000229122007623020B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0602160555g5bb11e70vc0c991093031052e@mail.gmail.com>

I second Smth. Love those guys. But don't let them take you back into
the warehouse. They have some amazing pieces of hardware that will
tempt you to drain your bank account.

On 2/15/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> > Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
> > of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
> > online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
> > the printer back into operation.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Erik Anderson
>
> Give Smith Micro a call. I'm not sure if they supply parts, but I have bought a couple HP LaserJet 5si printers from them.
>
> Todd Young
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


--
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net


From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 10:20:56 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:20:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbe795460602151020j74dd82a9l6e6a7ccbccc4fc8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530602160820k5e57314di38732bcdbdd7c34e@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone else listening to LUGRadio through podcast?  They are
hilarious.  Simply the most entertaining Linux show from the UK. 
Don't accept substitutes.
http://www.lugradio.org/

Also
Security Now with Steve Gilmore
http://grc.com/securitynow.htm

The Gilmore Gang
http://gillmorgang.podshow.com/

Ancestor and Earthcore Audiobooks from Scott Sigler
http://scottsigler.podshow.com/

Jeff Rasmussen

On 2/15/06, Leif Johnson <leif.t.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for V-day/anniversary so
> now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
> recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's good?
>
> leif
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


--
Jeff Rasmussen
GPG public key 0x9686C12F


From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu Feb 16 12:48:45 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:48:45 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
Message-ID: <021620061848.4726.43F4C90D000C0C5F0000127622007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I get the auction notices every two weeks and the last one had a couple dual-processor Itanium Dell servers that were pretty tempting, but my wife would kill me (she's already complaining about two LJ5si printers in the basement).

Guess I'll just have to be content with my Intergraph dual-P2 400MHz with 512Meg of ECC RAM for now, as my main server that is.

:-)

------
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "G. Scott Walters" <gscottwalters at gmail.com>
> I second Smth. Love those guys. But don't let them take you back into
> the warehouse. They have some amazing pieces of hardware that will
> tempt you to drain your bank account.
> 
> On 2/15/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> > > Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
> > > of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
> > > online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
> > > the printer back into operation.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Erik Anderson
> >
> > Give Smith Micro a call. I'm not sure if they supply parts, but I have bought 
> a couple HP LaserJet 5si printers from them.
> >
> > Todd Young
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> --
> -
> G. Scott Walters
> http://www.apt518.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From john.meier at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 13:00:00 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:00:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
In-Reply-To: <021620061848.4726.43F4C90D000C0C5F0000127622007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <021620061848.4726.43F4C90D000C0C5F0000127622007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0602161100w175243d3h948ccb4c2bb3caf9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I get the auction notices every two weeks and the last one had a couple
> dual-processor Itanium Dell servers that were pretty tempting, but my wife
> would kill me (she's already complaining about two LJ5si printers in the
> basement).




You're not alone - I get in soooo much trouble when I come back from that
place :)  I have to hide stuff and hope it's not found (or usually heard -
"what's that fan like noise I hear ??" - "ahhh  honey - that's the beautiful
humm of a quad Xeon   ummm..... )


-------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "G. Scott Walters" <gscottwalters at gmail.com>
> > I second Smth. Love those guys. But don't let them take you back into
> > the warehouse. They have some amazing pieces of hardware that will
> > tempt you to drain your bank account.
> >



Oh - you have to go back there - just soak it all in - like a kid in a candy
shop!
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From Joe at barterfest.com  Thu Feb 16 14:04:38 2006
From: Joe at barterfest.com (Joe Kneeland)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
Message-ID: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>



Hi Everyone,

Still new to linux, been trying for a dozen hours though, can't get this sound 
card to work.  it's soundblaster live!, in the yast2 control center it's 
shown, but not configured.  when i go to edit configuration this error comes;

"the kernal module snd-ens1371 for sound support could not be loaded.  this 
can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ 
parameters."

after some research, i went into bios to see if i could adjust IO or IRQ for 
the card, but did not see a spot for setting soundcard.  just, it think, IRQ 
for 'slot one' 'slot two' etc. there were four, but there's five slots, so i 
didn't mess with it.

any ideas or info would be great, suse won't help out since they say they 
don't support sound issues.  thanks ahead of time!, joe K



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Thu Feb 16 14:16:54 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:16:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
In-Reply-To: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>
References: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>
Message-ID: <1140121014.31088.254568620@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Try the emu10k1 module instead. 
According to
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix
it says that the sb Lives should use that module instead.


----- Original message -----
From: "Joe Kneeland" <Joe at barterfest.com>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound



Hi Everyone,

Still new to linux, been trying for a dozen hours though, can't get this
sound 
card to work.  it's soundblaster live!, in the yast2 control center it's 
shown, but not configured.  when i go to edit configuration this error
comes;

"the kernal module snd-ens1371 for sound support could not be loaded. 
this 
can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or
IRQ 
parameters."

after some research, i went into bios to see if i could adjust IO or IRQ
for 
the card, but did not see a spot for setting soundcard.  just, it think,
IRQ 
for 'slot one' 'slot two' etc. there were four, but there's five slots,
so i 
didn't mess with it.

any ideas or info would be great, suse won't help out since they say
they 
don't support sound issues.  thanks ahead of time!, joe K


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 14:42:35 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:42:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
In-Reply-To: <1140121014.31088.254568620@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>
	<1140121014.31088.254568620@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530602161242u797d3f11v7eb9f84ce40fb0fd@mail.gmail.com>

The temporary command is 'modprobe emu10k1' but you have to make sure
that the window system not using the sound card.  In order to make the
change permanent, you need to modify /etc/modules file to add the
module manually.  Just add emu10k1 to the last line.  Be sure to read
the comment at the top of the file, Suse may be slightly different
than Debian but there should be some information under the
/etc/modules file.

Jeff Rasmussen

On 2/16/06, Isaac Atilano <aristophrenic at warpmail.net> wrote:
> Try the emu10k1 module instead.
> According to
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix
> it says that the sb Lives should use that module instead.
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Joe Kneeland" <Joe at barterfest.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0600
> Subject: [tclug-list] sound
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Still new to linux, been trying for a dozen hours though, can't get this
> sound
> card to work.  it's soundblaster live!, in the yast2 control center it's
> shown, but not configured.  when i go to edit configuration this error
> comes;
>
> "the kernal module snd-ens1371 for sound support could not be loaded.
> this
> can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or
> IRQ
> parameters."
>
> after some research, i went into bios to see if i could adjust IO or IRQ
> for
> the card, but did not see a spot for setting soundcard.  just, it think,
> IRQ
> for 'slot one' 'slot two' etc. there were four, but there's five slots,
> so i
> didn't mess with it.
>
> any ideas or info would be great, suse won't help out since they say
> they
> don't support sound issues.  thanks ahead of time!, joe K
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


--
Jeff Rasmussen
GPG public key 0x9686C12F


From jkjones at tcq.net  Thu Feb 16 14:54:44 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:54:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
In-Reply-To: <1140121014.31088.254568620@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>
	<1140121014.31088.254568620@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <43F4E694.10500@tcq.net>

Isaac Atilano wrote:

>Try the emu10k1 module instead. 
>According to
>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix
>it says that the sb Lives should use that module instead.
>
>
>----- Original message -----
>From: "Joe Kneeland" <Joe at barterfest.com>
>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0600
>Subject: [tclug-list] sound
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>Still new to linux, been trying for a dozen hours though, can't get this
>sound 
>card to work.  it's soundblaster live!, in the yast2 control center it's 
>shown, but not configured.  when i go to edit configuration this error
>comes;
>
>"the kernal module snd-ens1371 for sound support could not be loaded. 
>this 
>can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or
>IRQ 
>parameters."
>
>after some research, i went into bios to see if i could adjust IO or IRQ
>for 
>the card, but did not see a spot for setting soundcard.  just, it think,
>IRQ 
>for 'slot one' 'slot two' etc. there were four, but there's five slots,
>so i 
>didn't mess with it.
>
>any ideas or info would be great, suse won't help out since they say
>they 
>don't support sound issues.  thanks ahead of time!, joe K
>
>
>  
>
I tried to use a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" with Ubuntu, and had 
problems, too.  You do have to use the emu10kl module.  I was eventually 
able to get the sound working, but the Mike and Line-In inputs aren't 
supported by the driver (yet).

It took me a while to figure out how to disable the on-board sound for 
my Soyo motherboard.  There's one BIOS setting under "integrated 
peripherals"  to  disable  "legacy sound card" , but the built in sound 
(AC'97) was still there until I found the other sound card setting in 
the "CPU/clock" page.  Some of the Linux sound applications wanted to 
use the first "sound card", not the SoundBlaster.



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Thu Feb 16 15:16:24 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:16:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Re:  sound
Message-ID: <1140124584.6239.254573805@webmail.messagingengine.com>



I don't know how to do this in yast but to manually use the sound module
do the following. 

As root type "modprobe --list | grep emu10k"
If it exists you should get something like
"/usr/lib/blah...blah/emu10k1.ko"
To load the module type "modprobe emu10k1"
If the module loads correctly, you should get your sound devices.
Use "dmesg" or your system log to see if it loaded correctly.
After the module loads you should start/restart Alsa, Esd, or whatever
sound daemons you use.

If the module doesn't exist you will have to compile it from the kernel
sources. Kernel and module compiling is something that I think is worth
learning for every linux user.



----- Original message -----
From: "Joe Kneeland" <Joe at barterfest.com>
To: "Isaac Atilano" <aristophrenic at warpmail.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:41:28 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] sound


sorry to be such a newbie, but could you teach me how to do that?

thanks Isaac

On Thursday 16 February 2006 14:16, you wrote:
> Try the emu10k1 module instead.
> According to
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#
>matrix it says that the sb Lives should use that module instead.
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Joe Kneeland" <Joe at barterfest.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0600
> Subject: [tclug-list] sound
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Still new to linux, been trying for a dozen hours though, can't get this
> sound
> card to work.  it's soundblaster live!, in the yast2 control center it's
> shown, but not configured.  when i go to edit configuration this error
> comes;
>
> "the kernal module snd-ens1371 for sound support could not be loaded.
> this
> can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or
> IRQ
> parameters."
>
> after some research, i went into bios to see if i could adjust IO or IRQ
> for
> the card, but did not see a spot for setting soundcard.  just, it think,
> IRQ
> for 'slot one' 'slot two' etc. there were four, but there's five slots,
> so i
> didn't mess with it.
>
> any ideas or info would be great, suse won't help out since they say
> they
> don't support sound issues.  thanks ahead of time!, joe K
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From joebe at charter.net  Thu Feb 16 15:23:12 2006
From: joebe at charter.net (joe bertie)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:23:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] offtopic -- podcasts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1140112802.15145.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1140112802.15145.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1140124993.2722.12.camel@constantine>

You may also want to check out "The Linux Link Tech Show".
http://tllts.org/

On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 12:00 -0600, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
wrote:
> On 2/15/06, Leif Johnson <leif.t.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Off topic but hopefully fun.  I was given a Nano for
> V-day/anniversary so
> > now I am interested in podcasts.  Not so much the process, but
> > recommendations.  In other words, what are you listening to that's
> good?
> >
> > leif


From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 15:41:00 2006
From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:41:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
In-Reply-To: <43F4E694.10500@tcq.net>
References: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com>
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>
>
> I tried to use a "SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit" with Ubuntu, and had
> problems, too.  You do have to use the emu10kl module.  I was eventually
> able to get the sound working, but the Mike and Line-In inputs aren't
> supported by the driver (yet).


Hmm.  I am using this card (although it is possible I am confused about
which SBLive card I have) with the ALSA drivers and  my line in and mic
input work fine.

Joe, have hope, cause I have used my current SBLive card under SUSE and got
it to work through yast2.  Try the emu10k1 driver.

Kraig, I am running 2.6.14 and using alsa and the emu10k1 driver in the
kernel.  Here is a bit from dmesg.
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12
08:13:09
2005 UTC).
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
ALSA device list:
  #0: SBLive! [CT4620] (rev.3, serial:0x211102) at 0xd000, irq 18

leif
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Feb 16 15:47:40 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:47:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 18:09:10 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:09:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion
Message-ID: <20060217000910.4676.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm on a linux box at work that has an NIS/nfs file
system location for my default HOME
(/usr/users/User37/olwe), but the actual machine has a
/home/olwe that's mine, too. I store big stuff on the
local drive and go light on the virtual HOME. What I
want to do is have an alias in my bash that expands
out to that virtual address whenever I type it in.
Just 

alias vhome="/usr/users/User37/olwe"

doesn't auto expand at the command promt. I need a way
to get it expanded or somehow preprocessed. Anyone
seen this issue before?

Olwe

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From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Thu Feb 16 18:20:43 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:20:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion
In-Reply-To: <20060217000910.4676.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060217000910.4676.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Use a shell variable.
In bash: export vhome=/usr/users/User37/olwe


----- Original message -----
From: "Olwe Bottorff" <galanolwe at yahoo.com>
To: "Twin Cities LUG" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:09:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion

I'm on a linux box at work that has an NIS/nfs file
system location for my default HOME
(/usr/users/User37/olwe), but the actual machine has a
/home/olwe that's mine, too. I store big stuff on the
local drive and go light on the virtual HOME. What I
want to do is have an alias in my bash that expands
out to that virtual address whenever I type it in.
Just 

alias vhome="/usr/users/User37/olwe"

doesn't auto expand at the command promt. I need a way
to get it expanded or somehow preprocessed. Anyone
seen this issue before?

Olwe

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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 18:31:17 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:31:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] C assignment
Message-ID: <20060217003117.56546.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm reading "Code Reading," a very interesting book.
He's talking about file pointers and there's a BSD OS
line (ftpd.c) that goes like this:

fin = fopen(name,"r"), closefunc = fclose;

I've never seen two things being done on the same
line. It's just

fin = fopen(name,"r");
closefunc = fclose;

right? Or am I missing something?

Olwe

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Thu Feb 16 18:48:04 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:48:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] C assignment
In-Reply-To: <20060217003117.56546.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060217003117.56546.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602161844020.17832@localhost.localdomain>



On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> I'm reading "Code Reading," a very interesting book.
> He's talking about file pointers and there's a BSD OS
> line (ftpd.c) that goes like this:
>
> fin = fopen(name,"r"), closefunc = fclose;

Worse yet, it's comma operator abuse.  Of course, pretty much all use of 
the comma operator is abuse of the comma operator.

>
> I've never seen two things being done on the same
> line. It's just
>
> fin = fopen(name,"r");
> closefunc = fclose;

This code executes exactly the same as the code above.  Unless they're 
doing something really wonky, like:

     x = (fin = fopen(name, "r"), closefunc = fclose);
In which case the code should be rewritten as:
     fin = fopen(name, "r");
     closefunc = fclose;
     x = closefunc;
and the author hunted down and shot.

> right? Or am I missing something?

C doesn't care about whitespace generally.  There is no difference, to C, 
between:
     fin = fopen(name, "r"); closefunc = fclose;
and splitting it into two lines.  Heck, you could even do:
fin
=
fopen
(
name
,
"r"
)
;
closefunc
=
fclose
;

and C would care.  It's still bad style.

Brian



From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 19:02:20 2006
From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:02:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
In-Reply-To: <200602161634.22551.Joe@barterfest.com>
References: <200602161404.38727.Joe@barterfest.com> <43F4E694.10500@tcq.net>
	<dbe795460602161341u6a62ac31p9747e7af389629bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200602161634.22551.Joe@barterfest.com>
Message-ID: <dbe795460602161702m3a50d3q81c6132cfbbc7a9d@mail.gmail.com>

It's best to keep things like this on list, that way other people can chime
in with their wisdom and insights :)  Hopefully someone that is more up to
speed on SUSE than I am.

just downloaded emu10k1, now i'm trying to figure out where to put it, how
> to
> compile it, and how to tell whatever settings to use it.  tried adjusting
> the /etc/modules file but it won't let me write.. logged in as root..

Wait.  How/what is going on here?  My experience with SUSE (I used to use
it, but I've switched distros) is that if you do things inside of yast2 (as
long as what you want is supported) everything is slick.  Doing things
outside of yast2 can lead to problems when you go back into yast2.


> had troubles installing alsa too, dangit, said;
> the file /lib/modules/2.6.13-15.8-default/source/include/linux/version.h
> does
> not exist.  went there and saw the file but when clicked on it says, file
> seems to not exist.  argh.  a few lines later it said 'please, run the
> configure script first.

How were you going about this?  In the shell in the directory you unzipped
the package you downloaded?  Are you sure you have all the development
packages you need installed?


> maybe i'm still too new to linux to be trying this stuff.
> cant stop trying though, that'll get nothing done,
> besides, gotta learn it some time.  thanks all

Everyone has to hose a system at least once.  :)

 leif
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From Joe at barterfest.com  Thu Feb 16 20:57:23 2006
From: Joe at barterfest.com (Joe Kneeland)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:57:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] sound
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think it would've been slick using yast2, had the proper module been there to 
complete the configuration of sblive.  i may not have all the development 
packages installed, though i believe i chose 'full install' when i installed 
suse.  i was going about the compilation of emu10k1 via the shell, while in 
folder /lib/modules/

i get the feeling that if that dang version.h was there the mod would compile 
and sblive could be configured.  maybe there's be another error though..

i'll seek out that file and put it in it's place..


On Thursday 16 February 2006 19:02, you wrote:
> It's best to keep things like this on list, that way other people can chime
> in with their wisdom and insights :)  Hopefully someone that is more up to
> speed on SUSE than I am.
>
> just downloaded emu10k1, now i'm trying to figure out where to put it, how
>
> > to
> > compile it, and how to tell whatever settings to use it.  tried adjusting
> > the /etc/modules file but it won't let me write.. logged in as root..
>
> Wait.  How/what is going on here?  My experience with SUSE (I used to use
> it, but I've switched distros) is that if you do things inside of yast2 (as
> long as what you want is supported) everything is slick.  Doing things
> outside of yast2 can lead to problems when you go back into yast2.
>
> > had troubles installing alsa too, dangit, said;
> > the file /lib/modules/2.6.13-15.8-default/source/include/linux/version.h
> > does
> > not exist.  went there and saw the file but when clicked on it says, file
> > seems to not exist.  argh.  a few lines later it said 'please, run the
> > configure script first.
>
> How were you going about this?  In the shell in the directory you unzipped
> the package you downloaded?  Are you sure you have all the development
> packages you need installed?
>
> > maybe i'm still too new to linux to be trying this stuff.
> > cant stop trying though, that'll get nothing done,
> > besides, gotta learn it some time.  thanks all
>
> Everyone has to hose a system at least once.  :)
>
>  leif


From josh at joshwelch.com  Fri Feb 17 08:04:07 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:04:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] From the February 11 meeting
In-Reply-To: <s3f09c4c.022@con-gw.ci.bloomington.mn.us>
References: <s3f09c4c.022@con-gw.ci.bloomington.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20060217080407.14w6uaozszk0wck0@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

I imagine there are quite a few people trying to do such a thing. You need to
find some way to differentiate yourself from the others. This guy 
figured out a
way to differentiate himself and I'm pretty sure he is to occupied with other
matters these days to worry about support type work.

http://www.asterisk.org
http://www.digium.com

I beleive he also wrote Gaim, not sure if he's still involved with that.

Josh

Quoting Steven White <swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us>:

> The subject of earning money through Linux came up.  I mentioned a 
> web site I had found that seemed to be trying to create an 
> internet-based Linux support business.  Someone asked for the name.  
> I did not remember it.  I have found it.  Here it is.
>
> http://support.marko.net/
>
>
>
> Steven White
> City of Bloomington
> 1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
> Bloomington MN 55431-3096
> USA
> 952-563-4882 (voice)
> 952-563-4672 (fax)
> steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>




From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Fri Feb 17 08:53:02 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:53:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion
In-Reply-To: <1140135643.23547.254586876@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20060217000910.4676.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1140135643.23547.254586876@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20060217085302.A28065@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 06:20:43PM -0600, Isaac Atilano wrote:
> Use a shell variable.
> In bash: export vhome=/usr/users/User37/olwe

A symbolic link might do what you want as well:
  ln -s /usr/users/User37/olwe /home/olwe/vhome

Then you would acces it with ~/vhome.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Feb 17 09:06:36 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:06:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion
In-Reply-To: <1140135643.23547.254586876@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Isaac Atilano wrote:

> Use a shell variable.
> In bash: export vhome=/usr/users/User37/olwe

Then he'd do things such as this:

cd $vhome
mv junk $vhome/whatever

Which works great.  If it will be used a lot, you might want to stick with 
just "v" instead of "vhome".

The first idea was to use an alias:

> alias vhome="/usr/users/User37/olwe"

But that will make "vhome" a command, but it isn't a command that will do 
anything.  This would be a better idea:

alias cdv="cd /usr/users/User37/olwe"

The command "cd" without arguments puts you in your home directory and the 
command "cdv" without aruments puts you in your virtual home directory.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Feb 17 09:09:09 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:09:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] alias expansion
In-Reply-To: <20060217085302.A28065@baker.space.umn.edu>
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Jim Crumley wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 06:20:43PM -0600, Isaac Atilano wrote:
>> Use a shell variable.
>> In bash: export vhome=/usr/users/User37/olwe
>
> A symbolic link might do what you want as well:
>  ln -s /usr/users/User37/olwe /home/olwe/vhome
>
> Then you would acces it with ~/vhome.

Right.  That's actually what I have done myself under similar conditions. 
It's a little easier to understand and it doesn't require changing the 
shell configuration.  I do think that "cdv" is still a good idea.

Mike


From admin at lctn.org  Fri Feb 17 09:34:50 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:34:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] is this a kernel , or config problem with netatalk
Message-ID: <45356.64.8.148.11.1140190490.squirrel@lctn.org>

Trying to set up netatalk and am getting the following errors:

 atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting.
                                                           [FAILED]
  Registering relay-2:Workstation:                         [FAILED]
  Registering relay-2:netatalk:                            [FAILED]
  Starting papd:                                           [  OK  ]
  Starting afpd:                                           [  OK  ]

Raymond


From florin at iucha.net  Fri Feb 17 09:50:23 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:50:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] C assignment
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602161844020.17832@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20060217003117.56546.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 06:48:04PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
> Of course, pretty much all use of 
> the comma operator is abuse of the comma operator.

The comman operator is used extensively in for loops, to allow two
indices to advance in unison.

The other use is in silly tricky questions used in interviews to
humiliate the applicants. 

florin

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Fri Feb 17 11:12:40 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:12:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] C assignment
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Florin Iucha wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 06:48:04PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
>> Of course, pretty much all use of
>> the comma operator is abuse of the comma operator.
>
> The comman operator is used extensively in for loops, to allow two
> indices to advance in unison.

This is one of those situations where a lot of people think it's an 
optimization, but it's not.  Say you're doing:

for (i = 0, j = k; j < n; i++, j++) {
     a[i] = a[j];
};

On most systems, it's actually *more* efficient to do:
for (j = k; j < n; j++) {
     a[j-k] = a[j];
}

Especially if k is a constant, like 1.

The few times this is really necessary, hoisting one variable up out of 
the for loop doesn't hurt performance at all.

Therefor, using the comma operator in the a for loop, even for multiple 
indicies, is an abuse of the comma operator.

>
> The other use is in silly tricky questions used in interviews to
> humiliate the applicants.

This isn't an abuse of the comma operator, this is an abuse of 
interviewees.  But it can be quite entertaining to watch.  Although 
personally I perfer tricky questions about sequence points.

Brian



From florin at iucha.net  Fri Feb 17 11:49:23 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:49:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Leet C bake-off Was: C assignment
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602171106410.17832@localhost.localdomain>
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:12:40AM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:
> >The comman operator is used extensively in for loops, to allow two
> >indices to advance in unison.
> 
> This is one of those situations where a lot of people think it's an 
> optimization, but it's not.  Say you're doing:
> 
> for (i = 0, j = k; j < n; i++, j++) {
>     a[i] = a[j];
> };
> 
> On most systems, it's actually *more* efficient to do:
> for (j = k; j < n; j++) {
>     a[j-k] = a[j];
> }

On most systems is more efficient to memmove it but that is beside the
point. I was thinking of other kinds of operations inside the loop,
not a dumb move.

I was never concerned with that level of efficiency but if you write
your loop like you did, you better have a big fat comment with a good
explanation for the eyesore...

> The few times this is really necessary, hoisting one variable up out of 
> the for loop doesn't hurt performance at all.
> 
> Therefor, using the comma operator in the a for loop, even for multiple 
> indicies, is an abuse of the comma operator.

"There is one abuse. Here is one abuse. Therefore most uses are
abuses." You may be generalizing too soon, I'm afraid.

Cheers,
florin

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Fri Feb 17 12:37:09 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:37:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Leet C bake-off Was: C assignment
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	<20060217174923.GE28049@iucha.net>
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Florin Iucha wrote:

> "There is one abuse. Here is one abuse. Therefore most uses are
> abuses." You may be generalizing too soon, I'm afraid.

No.  I'm generalizing after 8 years of heavy duty C use.  The closest 
thing I've found to a "valid" non-abusive use of the comma operator is for 
multi-statement macros that want to return a value, stuff like:

#define FOO(x, y) (a = (x), b = (y), x+y)

sort of stuff (that macro's bad in other ways, but it gives you an 
example).  Unfortunately, I think the correct way to write that macro is 
to use a static function- which pretty much all C compilers will inline.

Brian



From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 13:28:02 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:28:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] double parens in C
Message-ID: <20060217192802.11942.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking at some netbsd source I saw this:

void head __P((FILE *, int));
void obsolete __P((char *[]));
void usage __P((void));
int main __P((int, char *[]));

This isn't like bash is it?

must...know....everything......about.......C...

Olwe

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Fri Feb 17 13:56:57 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:56:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] double parens in C
In-Reply-To: <20060217192802.11942.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060217192802.11942.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060217195657.GA15131@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:28:02AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Looking at some netbsd source I saw this:
> 
> void head __P((FILE *, int));
> void obsolete __P((char *[]));
> void usage __P((void));
> int main __P((int, char *[]));
> 
> This isn't like bash is it?

http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/q10.26.html

-- 
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From florin at iucha.net  Fri Feb 17 14:20:50 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:20:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] double parens in C
In-Reply-To: <20060217195657.GA15131@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <20060217192802.11942.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20060217195657.GA15131@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <20060217202050.GF28049@iucha.net>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 01:56:57PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:28:02AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> > Looking at some netbsd source I saw this:
> > 
> > void head __P((FILE *, int));
> > void obsolete __P((char *[]));
> > void usage __P((void));
> > int main __P((int, char *[]));
> > 
> > This isn't like bash is it?
> 
> http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/q10.26.html

This construct is used in code that must be compilable with pre-ansi
(~ K&R) C compilers. It has little to do with macros with variable number
of arguments.

Olwe,

Look for the definition of __P macro. It will be something like:
   #ifdef __ANSI__
      #define __P(X) X
   #else
      #define __P(X)
   #endif

florin

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From listmail at brentfriedman.net  Fri Feb 17 21:43:00 2006
From: listmail at brentfriedman.net (listmail@brentfriedman.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:43:00 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
Message-ID: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>

I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
service, with a mySQL back end.

I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
production environment would be really helpful.

As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?

Thanks,

Brent Friedman


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Fri Feb 17 22:06:54 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:06:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
Message-ID: <2006021804065409fd81ae7d@mail.smumn.edu>

On Friday, February 17, 2006  9:43 PM, listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
>
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:43:00 +1300 (NZDT)
>From: listmail at brentfriedman.net
>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
>
>I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
>everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
>server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
>Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
>service, with a mysql back end.
>
>I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
>with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
>as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
>or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
>system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
>production environment would be really helpful.
>
>As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
>xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brent Friedman
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


I have minimum experience with administering boxes vitally important in a business environment. But, through conversation, in a previous job our sysdmin did comment that he preferred using Debian for its simplicity with its package manager and system update utility. On the other hand, the *BSD* distros are widely known for their security and working stability. Anyone have further information regarding my choices?


David


"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From tclug at natecarlson.com  Fri Feb 17 22:47:05 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:47:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602172245290.17595@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy 
> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that 
> has as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether 
> free or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the 
> update system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using 
> in a production environment would be really helpful.

I'd highly recommend Debian, or a debian-based distro, such as Ubuntu.

> As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 
> dual xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?

Just fine. We've got a whole pile of 'em where I work, currently running 
RHEL3 and Debian.

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Fri Feb 17 22:55:32 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <6550242.1140235627425.JavaMail.root@sniper30>
References: <6550242.1140235627425.JavaMail.root@sniper30>
Message-ID: <200602172255.32838.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Friday 17 February 2006 10:06 pm, Dave Alanis wrote:
> On Friday, February 17, 2006  9:43 PM, listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
> >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:43:00 +1300 (NZDT)
> >From: listmail at brentfriedman.net
> >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
> >
> >I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
> >everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
> >server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
> >Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
> >service, with a mysql back end.
> >
> >I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
> >with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
> >as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
> >or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
> >system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
> >production environment would be really helpful.
> >
> >As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
> >xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Brent Friedman
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> I have minimum experience with administering boxes vitally important in a
> business environment. But, through conversation, in a previous job our
> sysdmin did comment that he preferred using Debian for its simplicity with
> its package manager and system update utility. On the other hand, the *BSD*
> distros are widely known for their security and working stability. Anyone
> have further information regarding my choices?
>
>
> David
>

If you are married to Linux then I would suggest SuSE Linux. It works very 
well and has a GUI for updating software, which supports a curses GUI if you 
want to do updates over SSH as I always do; actually now that I think about 
it I have never even installed X on any SuSE box so I can't even comment on 
the X GUI update program. Never had a problem with updates. By the way, their 
update program is called YaST and you actually perform most basic system 
function within YaST like updating iptables, modifying hardware settings (IP 
addresses, PPPoE, modems, bluetooth, etc), software management - installing 
more software from the base distro media (dvd/cd or over http/ftp/nfs), and 
of course getting new updates.

Happy distro hunting.


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 22:56:01 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:56:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30602172056l6eae40a6qa835917616ca0f7d@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/17/06, listmail at brentfriedman.net <listmail at brentfriedman.net> wrote:
> I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
> everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
> server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
> Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
> service, with a mySQL back end.
>
> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
> as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
> or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
> system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
> production environment would be really helpful.

I run Fedora, Redhat, Ubuntun, and Gentoo.  The Redhat and Fedora are
mostly for legacy purposes and they also tend to annoy me the most.

I like Gentoo, but it can be annoying if you need an app installed now
and have to wait for it to compile.

For you I would recommend Debian.  I love apt as a package manager and
I also love that Debian is easy to setup as a minimal server and build
it up from that point. Other than Gentoo, I have not found another
distro that granted me that kind of control without the hassel. apt is
nice because of it's simplicity and honestly I think a GUI would get
in the way. You could easily set your servers to do an automatic
security update, but I would setup a test server and test the updates
first.

YMMV, but if I was you I would go Debian. I'm sure someone else will
say otherwise.

Good look with your venture forth.

-Eric


From admin at lctn.org  Fri Feb 17 23:09:02 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:09:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <200602172255.32838.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <6550242.1140235627425.JavaMail.root@sniper30>
	<200602172255.32838.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <1176.209.176.213.253.1140239342.squirrel@lctn.org>

>> I am looking for a distro that
>> has
>> >as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether
>> free

A Knoppix hard drive install would fit the bill.


>> >As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650
>> dual
>> >xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?


Haven't installed Linux on our 2650's yet, but they are great servers. We
have 7 of them. I would guess there will not be a problem installing Linux
on one.


From drue at therub.org  Fri Feb 17 23:43:06 2006
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:43:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <20060218054306.GP95897@therub.org>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 04:43:00PM +1300, listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
> I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
> everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
> server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
> Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
> service, with a mySQL back end.
> 
> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
> as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
> or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
> system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
> production environment would be really helpful.
> 
> As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
> xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?

Depending on who your main admin is, perhaps I'll take a chance on
recommending an Apple server running OS X.  You get a great GUI (since
that is a requirement).  It's BSD underneith the hood..  A lot less
messing around than linux.

Really, I think you should decide heavily depending on this admin that
will be running it day to day.  If he/she isn't a linux expert or
doesn't want to be, OS X may be a great plan in my opinion.  On the
other hand, if this admin is chomping at the bit to dig into linux
admin, I don't see why a GUI is even necessary.

--drue


From rharding at mitechie.com  Sat Feb 18 08:11:01 2006
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:11:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <20060218054306.GP95897@therub.org>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
	<20060218054306.GP95897@therub.org>
Message-ID: <2AE493FA-2033-4ECC-938C-F57D390FE80A@mitechie.com>


On Feb 18, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Dan Rue wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 04:43:00PM +1300,  
> listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
>> I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
>> everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non- 
>> public
>> server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
>> Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php  
>> web
>> service, with a mySQL back end.
>>
>> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty  
>> busy
>> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro  
>> that has
>> as automated a update/patch installation system as possible,  
>> whether free
>> or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the  
>> update
>> system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
>> production environment would be really helpful.
>>
>> As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge  
>> 2650 dual
>> xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?
>
> Depending on who your main admin is, perhaps I'll take a chance on
> recommending an Apple server running OS X.  You get a great GUI (since
> that is a requirement).  It's BSD underneith the hood..  A lot less
> messing around than linux.
>
> Really, I think you should decide heavily depending on this admin that
> will be running it day to day.  If he/she isn't a linux expert or
> doesn't want to be, OS X may be a great plan in my opinion.  On the
> other hand, if this admin is chomping at the bit to dig into linux
> admin, I don't see why a GUI is even necessary.

Depending on your expected server load I would shy away from Mac OSX.  
The benchmarks I've seen especially on MySQL with OSX is just  
horrible. I run several web apps on a pair of debian servers. One  
uses backports.org for php5 while the other is a default php4 setup.  
Getting php going on debian is extremely easy and with their package  
system you can add components like gd, mysql, and xml support with  
just another package and no recompiling. Keeping up to date is easy  
and you can even automate it if you really desire. I think most  
admins shy away from anything installing auto though.

I have a trio of dell servers and while I would never purchase  
another desktop/laptop from them I've not had any problems with their  
servers. Just make sure you get a nice business rep and you tech  
support number in the US. Whenever I've needed to call support it's  
been a much nicer experience that most home users.

HTH

Rick


From smac at visi.com  Sat Feb 18 09:35:14 2006
From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:35:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <43F73EB2.5030203@visi.com>

Mac OSX might be the way to go it's based on a good platform
If this is to be a business and you need backers use something that is 
not FREE.

The backers will not see your point of view where open source is concerned.

sam

listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:

>I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
>everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
>server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
>Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
>service, with a mySQL back end.
>
>I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
>with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
>as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
>or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
>system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
>production environment would be really helpful.
>
>As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
>xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brent Friedman
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>  
>


From tclug at steamedpenguin.com  Sat Feb 18 10:20:57 2006
From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:20:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <43F73EB2.5030203@visi.com>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
	<43F73EB2.5030203@visi.com>
Message-ID: <200602181020.58004.tclug@steamedpenguin.com>

On Saturday 18 February 2006 09:35, Sam MacDonald wrote:
> Mac OSX might be the way to go it's based on a good platform
> If this is to be a business and you need backers use something that is
> not FREE.
>
> The backers will not see your point of view where open source is concerned.

And you've come to this conclusion based on what research?

-- 
Samir M. Nassar
SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Feb 18 10:54:09 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:54:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <20060218165409.GA15867@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 04:43:00PM +1300, listmail at brentfriedman.net wrote:
> I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
> everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
> server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
> Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
> service, with a mySQL back end.
> 
> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
> as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
> or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
> system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
> production environment would be really helpful.

I'm a Red Hat Certified Engineer and a Red Hat Community Ambassador so
I'm probably a little bit biased.  I admin about a dozen Red Hat
Enterprise Linux-based systems at work in a critical production
environment.  If these servers go down, so does a large portion of our
business.  We've been running Red Hat distributions for about 5 years.
Our servers are used for mail, ftp, samba, web, bugzilla, code
management, and some custom code.  A base RHEL ES subscription which
guarantees access to support and new releases runs about $350 per year
depending on the level of support you need.  There are mailing lists
dedicated to the RHEL releases that have an active intelligent community
that includes professionals and Red Hat employees.  The signal to noise
ratio is acceptably high (unlike the Fedora mailing lists).

At home, I run Tao Linux which is a rebuild of the RHEL 4 sources.  It's
totally free but I do see that security fixes tend to lag behind Red
Hat's release by a day or two.  It's good enough for me but not what I
would want to bet my business on.

I am extremely satisified with both the quality of the distribution and
with the support we've received both from Red Hat and from the
community.  Security fixes have been released promptly and back-ported
where appropriate instead of just providing an update to the latest
release (which may break binary compatability or break other non-related
features).

> As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
> xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?

There is a mailing list dedicated to Linux on PowerEdge servers. I know
that there are Dell employees on it.  The list is at
http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge

I run my Tao Linux distro on a PowerEdge 400SC and it's been flawless.
A quick scan on the linux-poweredge list shows that people are running
Linux on the 2650s and a few people have had problems and fixes
suggested to them.  I've heard a few grumblings about the PERC
controllers too so pay attention there.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Feb 18 13:04:12 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:04:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181252410.6608@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

I'm pretty old-school I guess (and probably pretty old), so I usually just 
use the command line instead of neat file management tools like Konqueror. 
But I was just told about the fish protocol, so I gave it a try.  At first 
it wasn't working for me and I was a bit mystified.  I think I know why 
now, so I thought I'd send a message to the list to see what other people 
have been finding.

When I entered this in Konqueror....

fish://machine.umn.edu/

...I would I get a prompt for ssh login, and it would seem to log me in, 
but then I would see this error message:

An error occured while loading fish://machine.umn.edu/:
Could not connect to host localhost

It puzzled me at first but then I realized that Konqueror was 
automatically changing my URL string to this:

fish://machine.umn.edu/:

(adding a colon at the end of the line) which did not work.  Deleting the 
colon worked, but that would put me in the root directory (which makes 
sense).  To get to my home directory, I should have been entering this:

fish://machine.umn.edu

(no slash or colon at the end).  That works fine.

Weird little quirk, isn't it?  (I mean the colon that it adds without my 
asking - the slash putting me in root makes sense.)

Now I realize that I can do cool things like this:

konqueror fish://username at machine.umn.edu &

Mike


From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 13:24:02 2006
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:24:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181252410.6608@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181252410.6608@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570602181124g679fd92ew14d01273cc8bcb71@mail.gmail.com>

you can do the same thing with nautilus, but using ssh:// instead of fish://

On 2/18/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> I'm pretty old-school I guess (and probably pretty old), so I usually just
> use the command line instead of neat file management tools like Konqueror.
> But I was just told about the fish protocol, so I gave it a try.  At first
> it wasn't working for me and I was a bit mystified.  I think I know why
> now, so I thought I'd send a message to the list to see what other people
> have been finding.
>
> When I entered this in Konqueror....
>
> fish://machine.umn.edu/


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Feb 18 13:34:07 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:34:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb570602181124g679fd92ew14d01273cc8bcb71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181252410.6608@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<ee2fcb570602181124g679fd92ew14d01273cc8bcb71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181332490.19769@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Jonathon Jongsma wrote:

> you can do the same thing with nautilus, but using ssh:// instead of fish://

I tried it but this is what happened:

     Couldn't display "ssh://username at machine.umn.edu", because the attempt
     to log in failed.

It didn't prompt for a password.  Is there a trick?

Mike


From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 14:10:00 2006
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:10:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181332490.19769@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181252410.6608@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<ee2fcb570602181124g679fd92ew14d01273cc8bcb71@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181332490.19769@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570602181210x70d3945bs13ea39da01826d61@mail.gmail.com>

hmm.  it works for me.  Which version of gnome do you have installed? 
I think on older releases you may have had to install an optional
gnome-vfs module to enable ssh support, but I'm not sure.  You could
try with an sftp:// uri as well.  I believe these are aliases for
eachother.
Another thing you may want to try is to register the ssh url as a
'permanent' network folder in nautilus using File > Connect to
Server... and then choose SSH service type, and set up your ssh
details.  Then this 'folder' should show up in all gtk Save dialogs
and in the 'places' menu.

On 2/18/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Jonathon Jongsma wrote:
>
> > you can do the same thing with nautilus, but using ssh:// instead of fish://
>
> I tried it but this is what happened:
>
>      Couldn't display "ssh://username at machine.umn.edu", because the attempt
>      to log in failed.
>
> It didn't prompt for a password.  Is there a trick?
>
> Mike
>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Feb 18 14:28:48 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:28:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181428310.3114@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Jonathon Jongsma wrote:

> hmm.  it works for me.  Which version of gnome do you have installed? I 
> think on older releases you may have had to install an optional 
> gnome-vfs module to enable ssh support, but I'm not sure.  You could try 
> with an sftp:// uri as well.  I believe these are aliases for eachother.

I tried scp:// and sftp:// but both return errors stating "not a valid 
location."  ssh:// is different becuse its error says "the attempt to log 
in failed."


> Another thing you may want to try is to register the ssh url as a 
> 'permanent' network folder in nautilus using File > Connect to Server... 
> and then choose SSH service type, and set up your ssh details.  Then 
> this 'folder' should show up in all gtk Save dialogs and in the 'places' 
> menu.

Mine doesn't have "File > Connect to Server...".  It is Nautilus 2.2.4. 
Maybe that's an old version (I think the current stable release is 
2.12.0.)  With Red Hat Enterprise, I think they tend not to keep us up to 
date.  I think they just added "Connect to Server" in September 2005.

Mike


From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 21:25:31 2006
From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:25:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <17f6da250602181925u48a7b639r81299911c67c628a@mail.gmail.com>

I've used Debian and (way back when) Red Hat .

Besides apt, one beauty of Debian is not having to get on the upgade
treadmill every 6 months, 1 year, or whatever. Sarge will be a round for a
while.

I've never used a GUI for admin, so I can't speak to that. Does your
sysadmin want one? I just have a nightly perl script that runs "apt-get
update; apt-get -s upgrade" and sends me the results if anything needs
upgrading. Then it's just 'apt-get upgrade'. Doesn't happen often.

As far as OSX, it rocks - except for MySQL, at least. I do all my devel work
on a Mac using BBEdit, then upload it to an el-cheapo Box Shop white box
that is my server. Sad to say, the white box is faster.

Steve
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From rgullick at pressenter.com  Sun Feb 19 08:46:11 2006
From: rgullick at pressenter.com (rgullick@pressenter.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:46:11 -0000
Subject: [tclug-list] GNUCASH ON SLACK10.2
Message-ID: <E1FApoH-0006mc-9h@dell.pressenter.com>



Anyone had any luck getting gnucash to run on slackware 10.2?

thanks,

rgullick



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Feb 19 11:03:20 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:03:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602191703.k1JH3K822600@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Compaq IJ1200 inkjet

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Feb 19 11:26:52 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:26:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602191726.k1JHQqu24588@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: AMD Athlon 64 3000

Anyone want a used Athlon 64 XP3000+? It's a retail package so it comes with the retail CPU and heatsink. Running temp was about 25c/77f for the past year. CPU is fused to the heatsink via thermal grease (can be pulled apart but is probably better off this way).

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http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From dniesen at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 15:37:04 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:37:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Xorg ugly gray background
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70602191337o50787038l78926121f622c3e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running x.org without a window manager to play videos in a loop. 
This works beautifully except that when moving down the playlist if a
video is a different size than the one that precedes it, you can see
the image flicker and catch a glimpse of the ugly X gray background.

I've tried adding this to my .xsession file:

xsetroot -solid black -fg black s off

But I still see the ugliness.  Any other ideas out there?

--
Donovan Niesen


From marykeefe at mn.rr.com  Sun Feb 19 15:57:19 2006
From: marykeefe at mn.rr.com (Mary Keefe)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:57:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Automatically killing users
Message-ID: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBEEOJCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>

Hello,

I just found out I need to write a script to kill users who have been idle
for 20 mintues within an application that accesses client data. I only need
to kill them from the part of the application that will access the client
data; I first thought of using the 'who' command and getting the idle time,
but then I realized that if a user is running a job, said user will still
come up as idle that way, because the user will have no keyboard input.

So, there must be a better way to find who should be killed, one that I am
not aware of? If there are no better commands to use, then I can just find
out what all the processes would be that would access the client data and
cull those out for killing, but I'm interested in finding out if there is a
better way. I've looked around a bit and haven't found anything yet.

Thanks for anyone with input!





From thecubic at thecubic.net  Sun Feb 19 16:24:21 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:24:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Automatically killing users
In-Reply-To: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBEEOJCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>
References: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBEEOJCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200602191624.22418.thecubic@thecubic.net>

On Sunday 19 February 2006 15:57, Mary Keefe wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just found out I need to write a script to kill users who have been idle
> for 20 mintues within an application that accesses client data.

First:
What is the application written in?
Do you control the source to the application?
Through what mechanism does the application run? (X11? X11 over SSH? 
terminal?)

For most things, there's no good way to get the time.  If you have access to 
the source code, that's the best place, by far, to put idle-time policy.

It's easy to get the length that a process has been running 
(from /proc/<pid>/{stat,status}), and I wrote a python snippet to do that, 
but I don't think it'll give you what you're looking for.

There could be some hope if it's a terminal-based app - you could check the 
idle time of the terminal itself - and maybe 'write' the term stating that 
the client was disconnected because of idle.

If there's no way to get this information from the application, it should be 
communicated to the non-super-technical folk that want this that it is very, 
very, very, nontrivial to do outside of the application (heck, this is a good 
example of why the source should be available in the first place).

Dave Carlson


From jeff.hemminger at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 13:14:28 2006
From: jeff.hemminger at gmail.com (Jeff Hemminger)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:14:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap
Message-ID: <43fa1513.5f88749d.1c5e.ffff8ddf@mx.gmail.com>

Hi All,

First post! Woohoo!

I realize this is more an apache/mod_authz_ldap question than a purely linux
one, but I'm running short of things to try so I'm asking the list.

 

I'm working for a client that's moving a corporate portal from a mysql
authentication scheme for their portal to authentication via the company
ldap server (openldap).

 

I've made the switch in the httpd.conf file via virtualhost entries (below).

This works for authentication but I haven't been able to add the custom
ErrorDocument entries like I thought I would. Basically everything I've
tried has failed- the basic Fedora error pages display instead.

 

Today I tried adding a Directory entry just before the VirtualHost entry,
(also added below).

When I add "AllowOverride All", the ErrorDocument I specify displays, but it
also disables ldap authentication.

I've tried several combinations of directive-types, AllowOverride AuthConfig
FileInfo Limit does the same thing. AllowOverride FileInfo Limit enables
ldap auth but doesn't provide the correct ErrorDocument page.. etc

 

Can anyone tell me the correct entries to both allow mod_authz_ldap
authentication, and provide custom error pages via ErrorDocument?

 

Other questions would include:

-Why doesn't ErrorDocument work in the VirtualHost entry?

-Why wouldn't AllowOverride FileInfo work by itself?

 

Thanks for your help,

Jeff

 

 

<Directory /var/www/html/sites/blah>

        AllowOverride All

        ErrorDocument 401 /auth/ldapauth.php

</Directory>

 

<VirtualHost 192.168.1.1>

ServerAdmin blah at blah.com

DocumentRoot /var/www/html/sites/blah

ServerName www.blah.net

DirectoryIndex index.php

ErrorLog /var/summary/logs/blah_test_stats/blah_eerror_log

CustomLog /var/summary/logs/blah_test_stats/blah_eaccess_log combined

 

   <Location />

        AuthzLDAPServer localhost

        AuthzLDAPBindDN cn=Manager,dc=blah,dc=com

        AuthzLDAPBindPassword secretblah

        AuthzLDAPMethod ldap

        AuthzLDAPLogLevel debug

 

        AuthzLDAPUserBase dc=blah,dc=com

        AuthzLDAPUserKey gcLogin

        AuthzLDAPUserScope subtree

 

        AuthzLDAPRoleAttributeName attr1

 

        AuthType basic

        AuthName "Blah Login"

 

        require valid-user

        require role Role1 Role2

        require filter SUBTREE (&(attr2=TRUE)(|(!(attr3=TRUE)))\

)

   </Location>

 

</VirtualHost>

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From thecubic at thecubic.net  Mon Feb 20 13:54:32 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:54:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap
In-Reply-To: <43fa1513.5f88749d.1c5e.ffff8ddf@mx.gmail.com>
References: <43fa1513.5f88749d.1c5e.ffff8ddf@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31142.163.231.6.67.1140465272.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

Try commenting out the bottom of /etc/httpd/conf.d/welcome.conf, and also
try putting ErrorDocument in the VirtualHost section or the Location
section inside.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Feb 20 15:16:44 2006
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:16:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Distro question
In-Reply-To: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
References: <1945.12.222.210.125.1140234180.squirrel@s6.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <20060220151644.d85vfdonsq8soowc@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting listmail at brentfriedman.net:

> I am about to set up a new venture using Linux servers.  I have used
> everything from slackware to debian to ubuntu for personal and non-public
> server use, but I haven't set up any "live" servers with Linux since
> Redhat switched to Fedora Core.  The servers will be running a php web
> service, with a mySQL back end.
>
> I will not be the main admin for these boxes, as I will be pretty busy
> with the business end of the venture.  I am looking for a distro that has
> as automated a update/patch installation system as possible, whether free
> or less than $500/server/year.  Also, it would be helpful if the update
> system was GUI based.  Any suggestions about what you are using in a
> production environment would be really helpful.
>
> As a follow-on question, I plan to pick up a few Dell Poweredge 2650 dual
> xeon systems on ebay.  Any thoughts on these systems running linux?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent Friedman
>

You've already got quite a few opinions, but bits are cheap so I'll throw mine
in as well. Debian makes for a pretty good server distro, but I've never used
their GUI update tools, not sure how good they are. All my Debian experience
has been from the CLI. They are stable and each release has a pretty 
long shelf
life, so you won't need to be upgrading your distro every year. Fedora suffers
from that particular ill, the "official" support doesn't last long, but there
are projects out there with people trying to provide updates beyond the
"official" supported dates.

On the commercial side, I'd suggest Red Hat. It is admittedly some time since
I've fooled with SuSe, but the experience was not good. I didn't like Yast,
didn't like the odd behaviors I found, didn't like the mix of proprietary and
OSS stuff, though I understand that most of SuSe has been opened since
acquisition by Novell. Alternatively there are clones of RHEL such as Taos,
Centos and White Box Linux. They just strip the copyrighted references 
from the
RHEL SRPM's and compile them.

I've had excellent luck running Linux on PowerEdge hardware.

Josh


From jeff.hemminger at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 15:30:11 2006
From: jeff.hemminger at gmail.com (Jeff Hemminger)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:30:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap
In-Reply-To: <31142.163.231.6.67.1140465272.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <43fa34e2.5cbc3225.18a3.ffff929b@mx.gmail.com>

Hi thanks for the response.
I've removed the welcome.conf entirely, I've tried placing ErrorDocument in
the VirtualHost section and receive the same response.
I don't believe ErrorDocument is allowed in the Location section.

I think I've gotten at least a little closer to the source of the problem.
I believe LDAP authentication is preventing access to my ErrorDocument. But
I'm still not clear why or how to solve the problem.

Thanks again,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: David Carlson [mailto:thecubic at thecubic.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:55 PM
To: Jeff Hemminger
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap

Try commenting out the bottom of /etc/httpd/conf.d/welcome.conf, and also
try putting ErrorDocument in the VirtualHost section or the Location
section inside.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net



From j at packetgod.com  Tue Feb 21 01:37:09 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (j@packetgod.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:09 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS oddity
In-Reply-To: <20060213180321.GL31988@iucha.net>
References: <20060213180321.GL31988@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20060221073709.GC4719@packetgod.com>

I had a similar issue and it turned out to be that the system was
referencing itself with a name that wasen't in the /etc/hosts file for
some reason.  Make sure that you put in every possible combination of
hostname you have in the hosts file.  I think for some reason I had to
put in hostname.local 127.0.0.1 to solve my issue (although several
years ago so my memory is scetchy).

--j
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 12:03:21PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote:
> I am in the process of upgrading my web/mail/proxy/etc server from a
> Deskpro PII/450 (named hermes) to a Netvista PIII/600 (named athena).
> I am doing the transition gradually, by slowly moving the services over time.
> 
> Both machines run Debian testing+unstable. Both machines are connected
> to the DSL switch (network 10.10.0.x) and to the internal gigabit
> switch (network 10.0.0.x).
> 
> My problem is with the DNS server: right now both machines run bind
> (bind9 9.3.1-2.0.1), with the same db.* except for the appropriate
> records (each server thinks it is the authoritative server for both
> 10.0.0.x and 10.10.0.x). Both servers forward requests to the same
> pair of DNS servers at the ISP (visi).
> 
> When I set the proxy server (squid 2.5.12-4) running on athena to use
> the DNS server running on athena, I get 10-15 seconds delay in the web
> browser. Watching the access.log, there is no entry for the URL I have
> just requested. The URL will show after 10-15 seconds.
> 
> If I change the resolv.conf on athena to point to hermes, there is no
> delay, and everyting is fast as expected. Only when athena is using
> the local server, I can see the delay. The delay is there even if the
> DNS server on hermes is down (no competition).
> 
> Both servers are unloaded, have 512 MB RAM, run Shorewall... They are
> configured quite identical.
> 
> Does anybody have any idea what is going on or what should I do to try
> to isolate the problem?
> 
> Thank you,
> florin
> 
> -- 
> Don't question authority: they don't know either!



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From vc.lists at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 01:52:25 2006
From: vc.lists at gmail.com (Venkat Chandra)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:52:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181428310.3114@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181428310.3114@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1efb4e050602202352m37d6686bu63acc551d4d98851@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't trade Konqueror for any other file manager - Since I
discovered that I could use split windows (top/bottom, right/left) in
my Konqueror, it has become my favorite file manager. So I have one
"pane" with an ssh connection to some server, another running an sftp
session, yet another displaying a shared Windows drive via smb and one
of course the local file system - the possibilities are endless. I
often transfer files back and forth among these different machines
seamlessly - all within one application. There is even an option to
save a profile and so I just have to load my custom profile with a
couple mouse clicks to open all four panes. With KWallet setup I don't
even need to type my password any more! I love it!

Have never used Nautilus - don't know if it has these features...

- VC.

On 2/18/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Jonathon Jongsma wrote:
>
> > hmm.  it works for me.  Which version of gnome do you have installed? I
> > think on older releases you may have had to install an optional
> > gnome-vfs module to enable ssh support, but I'm not sure.  You could try
> > with an sftp:// uri as well.  I believe these are aliases for eachother.
>
> I tried scp:// and sftp:// but both return errors stating "not a valid
> location."  ssh:// is different becuse its error says "the attempt to log
> in failed."
>
>
> > Another thing you may want to try is to register the ssh url as a
> > 'permanent' network folder in nautilus using File > Connect to Server...
> > and then choose SSH service type, and set up your ssh details.  Then
> > this 'folder' should show up in all gtk Save dialogs and in the 'places'
> > menu.
>
> Mine doesn't have "File > Connect to Server...".  It is Nautilus 2.2.4.
> Maybe that's an old version (I think the current stable release is
> 2.12.0.)  With Red Hat Enterprise, I think they tend not to keep us up to
> date.  I think they just added "Connect to Server" in September 2005.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Feb 21 02:22:57 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:22:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] fish protocol in Konqueror (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1efb4e050602202352m37d6686bu63acc551d4d98851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602181428310.3114@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1efb4e050602202352m37d6686bu63acc551d4d98851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602210221510.4880@Rooster>

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Venkat Chandra wrote:

> I wouldn't trade Konqueror for any other file manager

Here's my file manager:

%


*misses the good old days*


-Yaron

--


From jeff.hemminger at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 11:14:45 2006
From: jeff.hemminger at gmail.com (Jeff Hemminger)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap
In-Reply-To: <31142.163.231.6.67.1140465272.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <43fb4a84.07cca1e0.380b.1fd8@mx.gmail.com>

FYI, the issue was that LDAP was authenticating everything within this
VirtualHost. This included references to ErrorDocuments. So when a user
failed authentication, they also failed to authenticate for viewing
ErrorDocuments.
What I did to fix this was to add a Location directive that is not
authenticated via LDAP, like so. I'm not sure if this is the best solution,
but it's the only one I've found so far.
I first tried to add a Directory within this VirtualHost, but the Location
directive appeared to take precedence over this.
Anyway, I thought the list might like to see this. I was not able to find
any examples outside of mod_authz_ldap and apache docs googling.

<VirtualHost 192.168.1.1>
ServerAdmin blah at blah.com
DocumentRoot /var/www/html/sites/blah
ServerName www.blah.net
DirectoryIndex index.php
ErrorLog /var/summary/logs/blah_test_stats/blah_eerror_log
CustomLog /var/summary/logs/blah_test_stats/blah_eaccess_log combined
ErrorDocument 401 /auth/index.html
   <Location /myerrorpages>
	  AllowOverride All
	  Allow from all
   </Location>
   <Location />
        AuthzLDAPServer localhost
        AuthzLDAPBindDN cn=Manager,dc=blah,dc=com
        AuthzLDAPBindPassword secretblah
        AuthzLDAPMethod ldap
        AuthzLDAPLogLevel debug
        AuthzLDAPUserBase dc=blah,dc=com
        AuthzLDAPUserKey gcLogin
        AuthzLDAPUserScope subtree
        AuthzLDAPRoleAttributeName attr1
        AuthType basic
        AuthName "Blah Login"
        require valid-user
        require role Role1 Role2
        require filter SUBTREE (&(attr2=TRUE)(|(!(attr3=TRUE)))\)
   </Location>
</VirtualHost>

-----Original Message-----
From: David Carlson [mailto:thecubic at thecubic.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:55 PM
To: Jeff Hemminger
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] apache errordocument config with openldap

Try commenting out the bottom of /etc/httpd/conf.d/welcome.conf, and also
try putting ErrorDocument in the VirtualHost section or the Location
section inside.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net



From k0sdh at visi.com  Mon Feb 20 12:35:55 2006
From: k0sdh at visi.com (K0SDH)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:35:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Help
Message-ID: <op.s5aa95siglsmto@hplap.domain.actdsltmp>

Last summer I answered an ad on this list for a Dell computer with no AGP  
slot.  The gentleman replied and we arrainged
the sale.  I drove up north of Mpls to some suburb at the gentleman's  
workplace and picked up the Dell box.  The gentleman is both a Linux  
enthusiast and a mover/shaker in the TCLUG.  That much I remember.
However I have forgotten his name and lost the mail correspondence with  
him.
Hopefully either he will read this and reply or some other peson will  
suggest a lead.
Thanks,
Steve Huntsman
-- 
NOTE: Jeni & Steve's address has changed; now is "aa0p at arrl.net"  (address  
is inside the quotes with a zero between a and p)!!

Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/


From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 12:26:02 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] bytes()
Message-ID: <20060221182602.96642.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was reading some BSD code (reverse.c) and came
across this:
...
bytes(fp, off);
...

The man on bytes() defaults to Perl which says
something about "changing character semantics to byte
semantics". I'm guessing this is a BSD function
somewhere (um-manned) that does this sort of thing.
Now why would they want to do that? What is meant by
character v. byte semantics, and why would I be
interested in changing them?

Olwe

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Feb 21 12:42:58 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:42:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] bytes()
In-Reply-To: <20060221182602.96642.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060221182602.96642.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602211242140.17832@localhost.localdomain>



On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> I was reading some BSD code (reverse.c) and came
> across this:
> ...
> bytes(fp, off);
> ...

That's not a standard function I've ever seen.  I'd go looking through the 
source for it, myself.  It's certainly not one documented on my Ubuntu 
Linux box.

Brian



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Feb 21 13:08:49 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:08:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602211908.k1LJ8nt23413@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Dell Docking Station

Dell Docking Station/Port Replicator,
used with a Latitude C400, but should work with any semi-modern Dell laptop with rear-dock. $50/ OBO

Seller Email address: gcottwalters at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From hinman at visi.com  Tue Feb 21 13:50:54 2006
From: hinman at visi.com (hinman@visi.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:50:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bytes()
In-Reply-To: <20060221182602.96642.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060221182602.96642.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1140551453.43fb6f1e029e4@my.visi.com>

Quoting Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com>:

> I was reading some BSD code (reverse.c) and came
> across this:
> ...
> bytes(fp, off);
> ...
>
> The man on bytes() defaults to Perl which says
> something about "changing character semantics to byte
> semantics". I'm guessing this is a BSD function
> somewhere (um-manned) that does this sort of thing.
> Now why would they want to do that? What is meant by
> character v. byte semantics, and why would I be
> interested in changing them?

look in extern.h for a prototype, read.c should have the
definition.

BTW I've noticed that you have been posting a lot of C questions.
This is just a suggestion, but if you are interested in learning C
I'd highly recommend the following steps.

1. Buy "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan & Ritchie 2nd edition
   http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cbook/
2. Read "The C Programming Language"
3. Do **ALL** the exercises in "The C Programming Language"
4. Compare your answers to others, suggested sites:
   http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton/kandr2/
   http://www.kamilche.com/c/
5. Read comp.lang.c FAQ
   http://c-faq.com/

If you do all that, you will be well on your way to understanding C.

--
Lee




From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Feb 21 18:44:10 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:44:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602220044.k1M0iAM28641@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Buy

Subject: Rapid Rails for PE1550

I need 2 sets of Rapid Rails to rack mount a couple of Dell PowerEdge 1550 1U servers.  If anyone has some please email me.  Thanks!

Seller Email address: scotjenkins at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 12:18:51 2006
From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:18:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0602160555g5bb11e70vc0c991093031052e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021620060301.8849.43F3EB0C000C7B910000229122007623020B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
	<34b4c76d0602160555g5bb11e70vc0c991093031052e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <307a337f0602221018k1d3682f6ofb83f635073fff3c@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/06, G. Scott Walters <gscottwalters at gmail.com> wrote:
> I second Smth. Love those guys. But don't let them take you back into
> the warehouse. They have some amazing pieces of hardware that will
> tempt you to drain your bank account.
>

you didn't buy that IRIX Indy did you:)


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 12:48:23 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:48:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for a local vendor for HP parts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0602151343n563422c0j32f2aec30a981e04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc40260f0602151343n563422c0j32f2aec30a981e04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0602221048n78c89y4b3aea203d7fda7e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/15/06, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know of a local vendor for Hewlett Packard printer parts?  One
> of our printers needs a new fuser module.  I *could* purchase it
> online, but I'd rather pay a bit more to get it locally so I can get
> the printer back into operation.

Just a followup...I tried contacting several local vendors - some of
which were suggested here and some that I found on my own.  None of
them were able to sell me HP parts until I called up Abrax
(http://abrax.com).  They were able to bill the fuser to our Net30
account and ship the fuser out.  I received it the day after I placed
the order.


From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com  Thu Feb 23 11:49:58 2006
From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:49:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares
Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>

I have an interesting problem.

We have a Windows server that contains a rather large number of files.  We need to access these files from any machine on our network (Unix, Linux, Windows, hey, even a Tandem and VAX).

We have been using Services for Unix to create a NFS share on this windows server, but SFU is being a real pain.  It tends to loose configuration settings, and just crashes, quite often.  Not to mention some security issues.

My solution, was to add a new Linux machine (FC4) that can serve both NFS and SMB/CIFS.  All is going great, but there is one directory with our released software that I'm not quite willing to move for safety reasons (my Linux server does not have off site backups).

My brilliant solution was to do a smbmount of this folder onto my Linux machine, then do an NFS export.  Stop laughing.

Only problem is that NFS is too smart.  It refuses to serve any files that are not local to my machine.  At least that's what I've found in my research.  These same references also say there are other ways to do this, but doesn't give a hint to what they are.  Thanks a lot.

I've tried sym-links from the NFS exported directory to a SMB shared directory, but NFS just serves the sym-link.

Any other suggestions (besides shoving the Windows machine out a window on the 5th floor)?  


Wayne Johnson
Senior Software Engineer
MQSoftware, Inc.
1660 S Highway 100
Minneapolis, MN 55416
(952) 345-8628



From erikerik at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 12:00:07 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:00:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares
In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0602231000g478d9050sa7b8e3ed49abad1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/06, Wayne Johnson <wjohnson at mqsoftware.com> wrote:
> Any other suggestions (besides shoving the Windows machine out a window on the 5th
> floor)?

I've used ProNFS [1] before with fairly good results.  It can provide
both an NFS client and server in windows.

-Erik

[1] http://www.pronfs.com/


From rwh at visi.com  Thu Feb 23 12:25:25 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:25:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares
In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <43FDFE15.9020707@visi.com>

The easiest solution is probably to get a commercial NFS server for the 
Windows box. There use to be a bunch of these but I don't know how many 
are left.

What about moving the files to the Linux box and using SMB to share it 
back to the Windows box for doing off-site backups?

--rick


Wayne Johnson wrote:
> I have an interesting problem.
> 
> We have a Windows server that contains a rather large number of files.  We need to access these files from any machine on our network (Unix, Linux, Windows, hey, even a Tandem and VAX).
> 
> We have been using Services for Unix to create a NFS share on this windows server, but SFU is being a real pain.  It tends to loose configuration settings, and just crashes, quite often.  Not to mention some security issues.
> 
> My solution, was to add a new Linux machine (FC4) that can serve both NFS and SMB/CIFS.  All is going great, but there is one directory with our released software that I'm not quite willing to move for safety reasons (my Linux server does not have off site backups).
> 
> My brilliant solution was to do a smbmount of this folder onto my Linux machine, then do an NFS export.  Stop laughing.
> 
> Only problem is that NFS is too smart.  It refuses to serve any files that are not local to my machine.  At least that's what I've found in my research.  These same references also say there are other ways to do this, but doesn't give a hint to what they are.  Thanks a lot.
> 
> I've tried sym-links from the NFS exported directory to a SMB shared directory, but NFS just serves the sym-link.
> 
> Any other suggestions (besides shoving the Windows machine out a window on the 5th floor)?  
> 
> 
> Wayne Johnson
> Senior Software Engineer
> MQSoftware, Inc.
> 1660 S Highway 100
> Minneapolis, MN 55416
> (952) 345-8628
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Feb 23 14:14:23 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:14:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares
In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200602231414.AA14230034@sbn-services.com>

This may seem like kind of an idiotic response, but having a similar situation this is what I did. I used FreeNAS run under VMWare GSX
on the Windows server that had connection issues with Linux. The 36GB drive that normally would have had the files available to Linux
and Solaris machines were moved to the FreeNAS machine. I created a 30GB drive in VMWare and set that up to be used by the NAS. Since
then I have had no issues what so ever with the nix machines getting data. The latest version now supports users and groups. 

The only reason this is run on VMWare is that the host machine as Windows based services that unfortunetely can not be moved at the
time. But, so far I have been extrememly pleased with how this setup has worked.

This method has worked so well that now a couple of the Linux servers are now backed up to another data storage server using FreeNAS
hosted in VMWare. 

As for using Windows as NFS, that has not been at all successful (Even running the Windows 2000 NAS Server). At the moment FreeNAS is
still got a long way to go in terms of development, but there is another distro specicially made for NFS/NAS. I can not think of the
name at the moment, but you can find it at distrowatch.com. 

Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne Johnson" <wjohnson at mqsoftware.com>
To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:49:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares

> I have an interesting problem.
> 
> We have a Windows server that contains a rather large number of files.  We need to access these files from any machine on our
> network (Unix, Linux, Windows, hey, even a Tandem and VAX).
> 
> We have been using Services for Unix to create a NFS share on this windows server, but SFU is being a real pain.  It tends to loose
> configuration settings, and just crashes, quite often.  Not to mention some security issues.
> 
> My solution, was to add a new Linux machine (FC4) that can serve both NFS and SMB/CIFS.  All is going great, but there is one
> directory with our released software that I'm not quite willing to move for safety reasons (my Linux server does not have off site
> backups).
> 
> My brilliant solution was to do a smbmount of this folder onto my Linux machine, then do an NFS export.  Stop laughing.
> 
> Only problem is that NFS is too smart.  It refuses to serve any files that are not local to my machine.  At least that's what I've
> found in my research.  These same references also say there are other ways to do this, but doesn't give a hint to what they are. 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> I've tried sym-links from the NFS exported directory to a SMB shared directory, but NFS just serves the sym-link.
> 
> Any other suggestions (besides shoving the Windows machine out a window on the 5th floor)?  
> 
> 
> Wayne Johnson
> Senior Software Engineer
> MQSoftware, Inc.
> 1660 S Highway 100
> Minneapolis, MN 55416
> (952) 345-8628
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 14:03:59 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:03:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Exporting SMB shares
In-Reply-To: <43FDFE15.9020707@visi.com>
References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351A4@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com>
	<43FDFE15.9020707@visi.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020602231203x2a5c1c30s706ee703e83db8e9@mail.gmail.com>

What about moving the data to the Linux server, then using rsync or
some other method to keep a copy of the data on your windows server
that is being backed up? You could install Cygwin on the windows
machine to install rsync and ssh on the Windows machine.

Alternativly, you could mount a cifs share and zip/tar/whatever the
files you want backed up to the Windows share. Use cifs for this,
smbfs seems to have issues creating files over 2gb. :) The syntax for
smbfs and cifs is exactly the same. (mount -t cifs -o <insert same
options as smbfs here>)

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From arkajyoti at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 22:37:21 2006
From: arkajyoti at gmail.com (Arkajyoti Misra)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:37:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] BIOS problem.
Message-ID: <4ecba2ff0602232037s78e9ad2ap5e34e6528fc32e77@mail.gmail.com>

I am having two problems with my dual boot (FC3 and Windows XP)
Toshiba notebook which seems to me are related to the bios.

1. A HP 1100 printer is connected to the parallel port of the
notebook. It works fine but when I boot the machine in FC3 it does not
see the printer and the hardware configuration wizard asks for
keeping/withdrawing/doing nothing with the configuration. The work
around I am using is to restore the bios setting before booting the
machine. I need to do it "every" time I boot the machine in FC3. Win
XP, however, sees the printer fine. How can I stop FC3 to change the
bios settings?

2. I am using the network to synchronize the system clock in FC3. When
I am using FC3 only there is no problem. But each time I boot the
machine in XP, the system clock is changed. Again I found that the
bios clock has been changed by FC3.  How can I fix this?

I could not find any solution by Googling but if you know about any
related discussion please point me there. Thanks in advance.

Arko.


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Feb 23 23:22:37 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:22:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] BIOS problem.
In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0602232037s78e9ad2ap5e34e6528fc32e77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ecba2ff0602232037s78e9ad2ap5e34e6528fc32e77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060224052237.GG10408@iucha.net>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0600, Arkajyoti Misra wrote:
> I am having two problems with my dual boot (FC3 and Windows XP)
> Toshiba notebook which seems to me are related to the bios.
> 
> 1. A HP 1100 printer is connected to the parallel port of the
> notebook. It works fine but when I boot the machine in FC3 it does not
> see the printer and the hardware configuration wizard asks for
> keeping/withdrawing/doing nothing with the configuration. The work
> around I am using is to restore the bios setting before booting the
> machine.

What BIOS setting is that?

>          I need to do it "every" time I boot the machine in FC3. Win
> XP, however, sees the printer fine. How can I stop FC3 to change the
> bios settings?

Are you sure Linux is changing BIOS settings? That would be the first
time I hear such a thing.

> 2. I am using the network to synchronize the system clock in FC3. When
> I am using FC3 only there is no problem. But each time I boot the
> machine in XP, the system clock is changed. Again I found that the
> bios clock has been changed by FC3.  How can I fix this?

Linux thinks the system clock is UTC and compensates for the time
zone. I don't know about the specifics of Fedora, but in debian the
setting is stored in /etc/default/rcS - the value is "UTC" and on my
dual-boot machine is set to "no". Search for UTC under etc:
   cd /etc && grep -ri UTC * | less

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Don't question authority: they don't know either!
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Fri Feb 24 06:40:49 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:40:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] BIOS problem.
In-Reply-To: <4ecba2ff0602232037s78e9ad2ap5e34e6528fc32e77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ecba2ff0602232037s78e9ad2ap5e34e6528fc32e77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060224124049.GA8999@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0600, Arkajyoti Misra wrote:
> 2. I am using the network to synchronize the system clock in FC3. When
> I am using FC3 only there is no problem. But each time I boot the
> machine in XP, the system clock is changed. Again I found that the
> bios clock has been changed by FC3.  How can I fix this?

Try either redhat-config-time or system-config-time (Red Hat changed the
name of the app but I can't remember which version they changed it in).
Toggle off the setting that the system clock has the time in UTC.

        .../Ed
-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Fri Feb 24 08:26:48 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:26:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] BIOS problem.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.241.1140784939.19899.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.241.1140784939.19899.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <44383.192.28.2.52.1140791208.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:37:21 -0600
> From: "Arkajyoti Misra" <arkajyoti at gmail.com>

> 1. A HP 1100 printer is connected to the parallel port of the
> notebook. It works fine but when I boot the machine in FC3 it does not
> see the printer and the hardware configuration wizard asks for
> keeping/withdrawing/doing nothing with the configuration. The work
> around I am using is to restore the bios setting before booting the
> machine. I need to do it "every" time I boot the machine in FC3. Win XP,
> however, sees the printer fine. How can I stop FC3 to change the bios
> settings?

This could be because Windows XP and FC3 are both "Plug and Play" and they
use different IRQ settings. If you can, make the laptop configure its
peripherals (like the LPT port) before any OS boots. (Turn Plug and Play
OS OFF if that's available.)

Chris Schumann





From seehow at iphouse.com  Fri Feb 24 10:23:21 2006
From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:23:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] CD-RW/R drive not seeing disk.
Message-ID: <1140798201.1095.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ok, so I have this CD-R/RW drive.  It doesn't know when a disk is in the
drive.  I can eject and reinsert 30, 40, 50 times and eventualy the disk
registers and it reads and burns just fine.  Whats wrong with it? How
can I fix it?



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Feb 24 12:33:32 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:33:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602241833.k1OIXWO03353@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Adaptec 29160 SCSI Adapters and more.

These are Adaptec 29160 SCSI Adapters, U160's.  New from local sources:  $199.  Will part with them (have 4) for $149 each.  will toss in the ribbons.  will also consider selling SCSI HD's at a discount.

HD's are 9GB and 36 GB Cheetahs.  Reasonable offers considered.

Seller Email address: sales at bbwh dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Feb 24 12:35:36 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:35:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602241835.k1OIZao04141@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 3U cases

3U cases from Casetronic.  300W PS.  very clean.  Asking $150.  These sell for $225 anywhere else.

Seller Email address: sales at bbwh dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Feb 24 12:39:30 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:39:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602241839.k1OIdUf04928@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 2U System

Dual Xeon, 1GB RAM, RAID 5 hot-swap setup with 36GB SCSI HD's, 2U Box with on-board controllers & NIC.  Asking $1100, willing to consider reasonable offers.  This box could be ideal for data center use (gaming, DNS, web host, ftp, etc.) 

Seller Email address: sales at bbwh dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From austad at signal15.com  Fri Feb 24 13:08:00 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:08:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] zeroconf/bonjour/rendezvous idea
Message-ID: <1340237F-756D-49CF-8F41-3F5AD50BCF8D@signal15.com>

So, the zeroconf/bonjour stuff that Apple uses only works on the same  
local network, you can't see people in other segments.  This is  
because they use 224.x.x.x address which will not pass through a router.

I'm thinking that with some fancy iptables work and a linux box, I  
could tell it to "NAT" those packets to a 239.x.x.x multicast address  
and route them between segments using multicast routing.  The remote  
network would need to have a box that would NAT them back also.    
Does anyone think this would work?  I haven't looked too much into it  
or tried it yet.






From adam at askewview.net  Fri Feb 24 16:15:43 2006
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:15:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] MRTG with Cisco 678
Message-ID: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>

I'm just curious if anyone has tried using MRTG to monitor traffic on a
Cisco 678 DSL modem. I'm having one heck of a time getting it to work.

-Adam


From scotjenkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 16:39:32 2006
From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:39:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] zeroconf/bonjour/rendezvous idea
In-Reply-To: <1340237F-756D-49CF-8F41-3F5AD50BCF8D@signal15.com>
References: <1340237F-756D-49CF-8F41-3F5AD50BCF8D@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <a22a1f920602241439w7c8a7c16sd44bd6d3ff2c4c75@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
> So, the zeroconf/bonjour stuff that Apple uses only works on the same
> local network, you can't see people in other segments.  This is
> because they use 224.x.x.x address which will not pass through a router.
>
> I'm thinking that with some fancy iptables work and a linux box, I
> could tell it to "NAT" those packets to a 239.x.x.x multicast address
> and route them between segments using multicast routing.  The remote
> network would need to have a box that would NAT them back also.
> Does anyone think this would work?  I haven't looked too much into it
> or tried it yet.

You could probably make that work with iptables, but why not just put
up a VPN between the sites?  OpenVPN works well and runs on OSX.

scot


From scotjenkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 16:45:11 2006
From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MRTG with Cisco 678
In-Reply-To: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>
References: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>
Message-ID: <a22a1f920602241445m45f13cb2g9ae2a42eb0c14ff2@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/06, Adam <adam at askewview.net> wrote:
> I'm just curious if anyone has tried using MRTG to monitor traffic on a
> Cisco 678 DSL modem. I'm having one heck of a time getting it to work.
>
> -Adam

Yup, been running it for years.

Did you run cfgmaker against the modem?

/usr/bin/cfgmaker --global 'WorkDir: /var/mrtg' --global 'Options[_]:
bits,growright' --ifref=ip --output /etc/mrtg.cfg
community_name at ipaddr_of_cisco

You may need to edit the resulting mrtg.cfg but cfgmaker will give you
a good start.

Make sure you have the Cisco configured to allow SNMP only from your
inside network and set the community name to something other than
"public" for better security.

scot


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Fri Feb 24 19:59:56 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:59:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MRTG with Cisco 678
In-Reply-To: <1360076.1140821439955.JavaMail.root@sniper45>
References: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>
	<1360076.1140821439955.JavaMail.root@sniper45>
Message-ID: <200602241959.57675.jus@krytosvirus.com>

Yes, though I prefer Cacti with RRDtools instead of MRTG.

You might also want to make sure you have the latest version of CBOS 
available. version 2.4.8 is the latest and last release from cisco.

You can do a "show ver" to see what version you currently have installed.
If have an older version and can't find the latest version, let me know. I 
have access to many CBOS images.

On Friday 24 February 2006 04:45 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> On 2/24/06, Adam <adam at askewview.net> wrote:
> > I'm just curious if anyone has tried using MRTG to monitor traffic on a
> > Cisco 678 DSL modem. I'm having one heck of a time getting it to work.
> >
> > -Adam
>
> Yup, been running it for years.
>
> Did you run cfgmaker against the modem?
>
> /usr/bin/cfgmaker --global 'WorkDir: /var/mrtg' --global 'Options[_]:
> bits,growright' --ifref=ip --output /etc/mrtg.cfg
> community_name at ipaddr_of_cisco
>
> You may need to edit the resulting mrtg.cfg but cfgmaker will give you
> a good start.
>
> Make sure you have the Cisco configured to allow SNMP only from your
> inside network and set the community name to something other than
> "public" for better security.
>
> scot
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Fri Feb 24 21:54:16 2006
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:54:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MRTG with Cisco 678
In-Reply-To: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>
References: <51009.156.99.28.85.1140819343.squirrel@156.99.28.85>
Message-ID: <43FFD4E8.2010506@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

Adam wrote:
> I'm just curious if anyone has tried using MRTG to monitor traffic on a
> Cisco 678 DSL modem. I'm having one heck of a time getting it to work.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


My page http://tomobiki.dyndns.org/mrtg/ uses a script to get the data 
from the 678 and display stats. I can send you what I have? I originally 
got it from the mrtg site.

Joseph



From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Feb 24 22:31:38 2006
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:31:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] zeroconf/bonjour/rendezvous idea
In-Reply-To: <1340237F-756D-49CF-8F41-3F5AD50BCF8D@signal15.com>
References: <1340237F-756D-49CF-8F41-3F5AD50BCF8D@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <1140841898.7626.101.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 13:08 -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
> So, the zeroconf/bonjour stuff that Apple uses only works on the same  
> local network, you can't see people in other segments.  This is  
> because they use 224.x.x.x address which will not pass through a router.
> 
> I'm thinking that with some fancy iptables work and a linux box, I  
> could tell it to "NAT" those packets to a 239.x.x.x multicast address  
> and route them between segments using multicast routing.  The remote  
> network would need to have a box that would NAT them back also.    
> Does anyone think this would work?  I haven't looked too much into it  
> or tried it yet.

I'm thinking you might want to use mrouted or smcroute to handle those.
Someone described doing something similar here:
http://sysadminforum.com/t33516.html


-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb 26 08:14:00 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:14:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MySQL 4.1 -> 4.0
Message-ID: <20060226141400.GA9111@www.ewilts.org>

I'm trying to migrate a Drupal database from one ISP to another.  The
source is running MySQL 4.1 on taroon (RHEL 3) and the target is MySQL
4.0 on taroon.

During the import on 4.0 , I get the error that 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1'
is unsupported.  I've googled and googled and the common suggestion is
to simply delete the phrase and let the data be imported without it.
Yes, it imports, but some of the pages don't translate properly any
more.  For example, a page with the 3/4 text symbol now appears as 
"????\235" and similarly copyright symbols are mangled.

I can manually edit all the pages that are now corrupted but that's a
lot of effort that I'm hoping to avoid.  I have shell access on both
systems so I can do whatever I need to do to the files after the export
or before the import.  I'm doing the export with mysqldump.

Any suggestions from MySQL experts out there?

Thanks,
        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 08:36:39 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:36:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
Message-ID: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>

Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
wrong?

Thanks in advance


                           -Jordan


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb 26 08:46:03 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:46:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
> but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
> wrong?

Try:

find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From bhurt at spnz.org  Sun Feb 26 08:46:03 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:46:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260843430.9569@localhost.localdomain>



On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
> but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
> wrong?

tar only extracts one file at a time.  You might try:
 	for i in *.tar; do tar -xvf $i; done

Brian



From bhurt at spnz.org  Sun Feb 26 08:54:04 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:54:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260853030.9569@localhost.localdomain>



On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>> Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
>> but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
>> wrong?
>
> Try:
>
> find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;

That will extract all tar files in the current directory and all 
directories under it.  Which may be the behavior desired- but may not be. 
My for loop only extracts the tar files in the current directory.

Just FYI.

Brian



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Feb 26 09:41:04 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:41:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260853030.9569@localhost.localdomain>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260853030.9569@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602260938520.20665@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Brian Hurt wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>>> Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
>>> but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
>>> wrong?
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
>
> That will extract all tar files in the current directory and all
> directories under it.  Which may be the behavior desired- but may not be.
> My for loop only extracts the tar files in the current directory.


Right.  And you have to be careful with tar files about what they are 
putting out.  One might have contents that write over those of another 
one.  Does each one produce a unique directory and put all files in that 
directory?  The for loop is safer, but you should know before you run it 
what those tar files contain.

Mike


From bhurt at spnz.org  Sun Feb 26 09:46:47 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:46:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602260938520.20665@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260853030.9569@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0602260938520.20665@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260943330.9569@localhost.localdomain>



On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Brian Hurt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>>>> Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
>>>> but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
>>>> wrong?
>>> 
>>> Try:
>>> 
>>> find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
>> 
>> That will extract all tar files in the current directory and all
>> directories under it.  Which may be the behavior desired- but may not be.
>> My for loop only extracts the tar files in the current directory.
>
>
> Right.  And you have to be careful with tar files about what they are putting 
> out.  One might have contents that write over those of another one.  Does 
> each one produce a unique directory and put all files in that directory?  The 
> for loop is safer, but you should know before you run it what those tar files 
> contain.

The nice thing about a for loop is that you can do more stuff inside a for 
loop than just a single command.  For example, if you wanted to create a 
directory for each tar file, and untar it into it's own directory, you 
might do:
 	for i in *.tar; do
 		mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir
 		cd `basename $i .tar`.dir
 		tar xvf ../$i
 		cd ..
 	done

Brian



From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb 26 10:11:03 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602260938520.20665@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602260853030.9569@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0602260938520.20665@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060226161103.GA11913@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 09:41:04AM -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Brian Hurt wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> >>>Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
> >>>but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
> >>>wrong?
> >>
> >>Try:
> >>
> >>find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
> >
> >That will extract all tar files in the current directory and all
> >directories under it.  Which may be the behavior desired- but may not be.
> >My for loop only extracts the tar files in the current directory.

I could have added a -maxdepth 1 to the find command to not extract
tarballs in sub-directories.
 
> Right.  And you have to be careful with tar files about what they are 
> putting out.  One might have contents that write over those of another 
> one.  Does each one produce a unique directory and put all files in that 
> directory?  The for loop is safer, but you should know before you run it 
> what those tar files contain.

The original for loop is no safer than the find command and will produce
the same result.  However, a new posting mentioned creating a new
directory per tarball.  That works, of course, but is more functionality
than what the original poster requested (whether or not he understood
the consequences of what he requested is unknown though).

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb 26 11:10:24 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:10:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MySQL 4.1 -> 4.0
In-Reply-To: <20060226141400.GA9111@www.ewilts.org>
References: <20060226141400.GA9111@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <20060226171024.GB13405@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:14:00AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> I'm trying to migrate a Drupal database from one ISP to another.  The
> source is running MySQL 4.1 on taroon (RHEL 3) and the target is MySQL
> 4.0 on taroon.
> 
> During the import on 4.0 , I get the error that 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1'
> is unsupported.  I've googled and googled and the common suggestion is
> to simply delete the phrase and let the data be imported without it.
> Yes, it imports, but some of the pages don't translate properly any
> more.  For example, a page with the 3/4 text symbol now appears as 
> "????\235" and similarly copyright symbols are mangled.

Following up my posting, the answer is to run mysqldump with the
--compatible mysql40 option.  This is not documented in the manpage.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From ben_b at ppdonline.com  Sun Feb 26 15:39:48 2006
From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:39:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Trying to install on an all sata core duo system
Message-ID: <44022024.A138DFA4@ppdonline.com>

Hello,
I'm trying to install linux (namely debian sarge) on a system with the
following config:

Intel D945PSN board
Pentium D 820 processor (Core Duo 2.8GHz)
500GB Seagate Baracuda (SATAII)
Plextor PX-716-SA DVD RW (SATA)

I've been having nothing but trouble.  First of all I screwed up and
tried to install the i386 build of Debian Sarge (yeah, I know, 15 years
of working with the i386 architecture has formed some habits for me). 
After realizing my mistake I tried to install the amd64 build (again of
Sarge) but it wouldn't mount my DVD drive during the install so I
couldn't get anywhere.  A little searching on the net and it seems that
installing from a SATA optical drive just isn't ready for prime time
yet.  OK, so I hook up an old IDE CDROM, that gets me past the mounting
of the drive problem but now it won't recognize the NIC (on board 10/100
- 82652gx chipset).  !@#!$!!  So I slap an older NIC into the thing
(Intel 82578B chipset, eepro100 driver) that gets me through to the next
step.  Now it can't find the harddrive. M!$!#$!@ F$#%!$#!!!  I could
through an IDE harddrive in there and get past that error but at some
point I might as well just build another computer as I've been slowly
replacing every component in this thing to get the damn install to run. 
Anyway, I'm hoping someone on the list can help me.  Any ideas?  Is
there a different distro that might be friendlier to my setup (I'm
downloading FC4 as I write this in hopes that maybe it will install). 
Is there an installfest coming up soon?  If not does someone want to
host one? ;-)
Thanks in advance,
Ben.


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 16:29:04 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:29:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <bada98250602261429h2a080cag4fe0f4fdbfde7b48@mail.gmail.com>

This solution worked like a charm (I knew no files would be
overwritten, and that I had .tars in several subdirectories)

Just curious if I'm reading this right though. I've looked through the
find man page, and nowhere did I see this '.' What is the period's
significance with this operation? and why does it close {}\;  ?

Thank you so much

                 -jordan

On 2/26/06, Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
> > but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
> > wrong?
>
> Try:
>
> find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
>
>         .../Ed
>
> --
> Ed Wilts, RHCE
> Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
> Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
>


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 16:35:57 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:35:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <bada98250602261429h2a080cag4fe0f4fdbfde7b48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
	<bada98250602261429h2a080cag4fe0f4fdbfde7b48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bada98250602261435y3cddcccfx9214848ed9fc6c84@mail.gmail.com>

PS-I understand the theory of for loops.....actually writing my own
has been a bit of a jump though! I've been playing with a script I
received from someone else

#!/bin/bash
IFS="
"
for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
do
	if [ -d "$i" ]
	then
		tar -cf "${i##*/}.tar" "${i##*/}"
		# tar -cf "${i##*/}.tar" "${i}"          Originally used this, but
was definately the wrong choice. I needed to undo all the tar's I'd
made using this first line instead of the above one.
	fi
done

Been playing with the Nautilus scripts folder as well, it's wonderful
being able to point-click files and run custom scripts on them. Thanks
for all your input, and so quickly on a Sunday. God bless

                   -jordan


On 2/26/06, Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com> wrote:
> This solution worked like a charm (I knew no files would be
> overwritten, and that I had .tars in several subdirectories)
>
> Just curious if I'm reading this right though. I've looked through the
> find man page, and nowhere did I see this '.' What is the period's
> significance with this operation? and why does it close {}\;  ?
>
> Thank you so much
>
>                  -jordan
>
> On 2/26/06, Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:36:39AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > > Quick question: I have a whole ton of .tar files I need to extract,
> > > but when I try 'tar -xvf *.tar' it doesn't work.... what am I doing
> > > wrong?
> >
> > Try:
> >
> > find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
> >
> >         .../Ed
> >
> > --
> > Ed Wilts, RHCE
> > Mounds View, MN, USA
> > mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
> > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
> >
>


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Feb 26 18:15:15 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:15:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files
In-Reply-To: <bada98250602261429h2a080cag4fe0f4fdbfde7b48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250602260636m27fcc2d7g6f4f99e731dd52db@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org>
	<bada98250602261429h2a080cag4fe0f4fdbfde7b48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060227001515.GA21190@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 04:29:04PM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> > find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \;
> 
> Just curious if I'm reading this right though. I've looked through the
> find man page, and nowhere did I see this '.' What is the period's
> significance with this operation? and why does it close {}\;  ?

The current directory is always known as '.'.  That's why it's not in
the man page for find - it's used everywhere.  For example:
$ cd
$ cp /etc/passwd .

This will copy the passwd file to your current (home) directory.

The {} is the current file in the find.  
The result of -exec needs to be terminated with a semicolon, but the
semicolon on a command line in bash is normally used to denote the next
command on the line.  It's therefore escaped with the backslash.

Cheers,
        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 00:07:59 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Trying to install on an all sata core duo system
In-Reply-To: <44022024.A138DFA4@ppdonline.com>
References: <44022024.A138DFA4@ppdonline.com>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70602262207o72e89c2eu5ff918b117a336b0@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/06, Ben Bargabus <ben_b at ppdonline.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to install linux (namely debian sarge) on a system with the
> following config:
>
> Intel D945PSN board
> Pentium D 820 processor (Core Duo 2.8GHz)
> 500GB Seagate Baracuda (SATAII)
> Plextor PX-716-SA DVD RW (SATA)
>
> I've been having nothing but trouble.  First of all I screwed up and
> tried to install the i386 build of Debian Sarge (yeah, I know, 15 years
> of working with the i386 architecture has formed some habits for me).
> After realizing my mistake I tried to install the amd64 build (again of
> Sarge) but it wouldn't mount my DVD drive during the install so I
> couldn't get anywhere.  A little searching on the net and it seems that
> installing from a SATA optical drive just isn't ready for prime time
> yet.  OK, so I hook up an old IDE CDROM, that gets me past the mounting
> of the drive problem but now it won't recognize the NIC (on board 10/100
> - 82652gx chipset).  !@#!$!!  So I slap an older NIC into the thing
> (Intel 82578B chipset, eepro100 driver) that gets me through to the next
> step.  Now it can't find the harddrive. M!$!#$!@ F$#%!$#!!!  I could
> through an IDE harddrive in there and get past that error but at some
> point I might as well just build another computer as I've been slowly
> replacing every component in this thing to get the damn install to run.
> Anyway, I'm hoping someone on the list can help me.  Any ideas?  Is
> there a different distro that might be friendlier to my setup (I'm
> downloading FC4 as I write this in hopes that maybe it will install).
> Is there an installfest coming up soon?  If not does someone want to
> host one? ;-)
> Thanks in advance,
> Ben.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

I'd give Ubuntu (or Kubuntu if you're into that KDE thing) a shot. 
You can at least boot a Live CD and see if it supports your hardware
before going through the whole installation process.  I've installed
it on an SATA hard drive but never from a SATA CD/DVD drive.  If
you're a Debian fan you'll feel right at home with the installer,
package management, etc.

It seems to have been more hardware friendly out of the box than
Debian Sarge on my systems.

--
Donovan Niesen


From admin at lctn.org  Mon Feb 27 08:54:19 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:54:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptables and ftp
Message-ID: <58417.64.8.148.11.1141052059.squirrel@lctn.org>

Searched google on this, but have not found an answer that applies here. I
can login to my ftp server, but get "no route to host" when executing
"ls". If I shutdown iptables, everything works as expected.


Raymond



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 27 09:09:06 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:09:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptables and ftp
In-Reply-To: <58417.64.8.148.11.1141052059.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <58417.64.8.148.11.1141052059.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602270907440.27854@Rooster>

Only thing I can think of is FTP uses two ports rather than one - 20 and 
21. One for commands, one for data.

You might want to try passive-mode (I think the command is 'pasv'?), or 
checking if your iptables rules have both ports.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:

> Searched google on this, but have not found an answer that applies here. I
> can login to my ftp server, but get "no route to host" when executing
> "ls". If I shutdown iptables, everything works as expected.
>
>
> Raymond
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-Yaron

--


From nate at ima.umn.edu  Mon Feb 27 09:36:50 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:36:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] iptables and ftp
In-Reply-To: <58417.64.8.148.11.1141052059.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <58417.64.8.148.11.1141052059.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <44031C92.3040900@ima.umn.edu>

More info for here: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html


Raymond Norton wrote:

>Searched google on this, but have not found an answer that applies here. I
>can login to my ftp server, but get "no route to host" when executing
>"ls". If I shutdown iptables, everything works as expected.
>
>
>Raymond
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>


-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 




From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 09:34:26 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:34:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian and Subversion
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0602270734s6669f20saae9feeacd7c22d6@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Monday.

I've been researching version control systems to maintain my own
personal code base. I dig the idea of using Subversion, with it's
cross-platform guis, and general organizational practices.

So now I'm sort of lost, apt-get install apache2 subversion and voila,
I have a system. Now what the hell do I do. The only explaination of
the usablilty functions seems to come from "The Subversion Book". So
perhaps I'm regretting my decision.

So are there any online subversion resources that explain the steps on
configuring a subversion server?  What are other people using besides
subversion for thier versioning control needs?

Thanks

--
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Feb 27 09:39:47 2006
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:39:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] iptables and ftp
Message-ID: <s402c8f6.010@mdh-gw9.health.state.mn.us>

Raymond,

On your server you will have to load the 'ip_conntrack_ftp' module as
root. Do that and see if it fixes your problem. If it does, you can have
it load automatically at startup by modifying a line in the
'/etc/sysconfig/iptables-config' file:

  IPTABLES_MODULES="ip_conntrack_ftp"

These instruction will work on Fedora Core linuxes, and probably
others...I think. Good luck!

Troy




From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Feb 27 10:32:26 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:32:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602271632.k1RGWQL20780@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP LC2000

HP LC2000 933mhz 4 SCSI 9.1GB Raid 5 Drives 384MB ram... $150 with Raid Controller or $75 without

Seller Email address: justin at 90tq dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From eric at vangyzen.net  Mon Feb 27 10:39:54 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:39:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian and Subversion
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0602270734s6669f20saae9feeacd7c22d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b4c76d0602270734s6669f20saae9feeacd7c22d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44032B5A.4040406@vangyzen.net>

G. Scott Walters wrote:
> So now I'm sort of lost, apt-get install apache2 subversion and voila,
> I have a system. Now what the hell do I do. The only explaination of
> the usablilty functions seems to come from "The Subversion Book". So
> perhaps I'm regretting my decision.
> 
> So are there any online subversion resources that explain the steps on
> configuring a subversion server?

The Subversion book /is/ an online resource:

     http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

Or did you already try it and find it lacking?

Eric


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Feb 27 10:42:34 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:42:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian and Subversion
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0602270734s6669f20saae9feeacd7c22d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b4c76d0602270734s6669f20saae9feeacd7c22d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060227164234.GJ10408@iucha.net>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:34:26AM -0600, G. Scott Walters wrote:
> So now I'm sort of lost, apt-get install apache2 subversion and voila,
> I have a system.

Not so fast, you forgot to install libapache2-svn.

>                  Now what the hell do I do. The only explaination of
> the usablilty functions seems to come from "The Subversion Book". So
> perhaps I'm regretting my decision.

The decision to... not read more?

   http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.reposadmin.create.html
   http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.serverconfig.httpd.html

> So are there any online subversion resources that explain the steps on
> configuring a subversion server?  What are other people using besides
> subversion for thier versioning control needs?

You have not yet exhausted the one you have.

florin

-- 
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Feb 27 12:39:34 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:39:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602271839.k1RIdYB25630@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Dell PowerEdge 6450 Quad XEON PIII 700MHz

DELL PowerEdge 6450 4U Rackmount server
<ul>
<li>Quad XEON PII 700 MHz CPU's
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<li>2 18 GB SCA SCSI drives (2 slots open) RAID
<li>Adaptec 7899 quad scsi card
<li>DRAC-II 56k remote connect card
<li>Triple power supplies
<li>Built-in Intel Pro 10/100 NIC
<li>Two PCI Intel Pro 10/100 NIC's
</ul>
<p>No operating system installed, just pulled from service. Will deliver within metro area. $325.00

Seller Email address: rudie at sihope dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Feb 27 15:52:11 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:52:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200602272152.k1RLqBs01495@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Cisco 2912XL w/12.0(5) EN

I have a Cisco 2912XL w/12.0(5) EN software (Also operates as Cluster Manager). Asking $125

E-mail me (swaite at sbn-services.com) if interested. 

Seller Email address: swaite at sbn-services dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Feb 27 17:30:32 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:30:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602271730100.22150@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Clay Fandre wrote:

> We are trying to determine if there will interest in an installfest this 
> Saturday March 4th in GoldenValley off 100 and Duluth Street.
> 
> Please take a moment to submit the following webform if you are 
> insterested. We are hoping to make a decision by tomorrow.
> 
> http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=120


Is there any idea of what the hours will be?  I can't show up until about 
2:30 in the afternoon, but if you'll be there then, I'll show up for sure.

Mike


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Feb 27 17:44:48 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:44:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602271730100.22150@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602271730100.22150@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060227234448.GL10408@iucha.net>

> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > We are trying to determine if there will interest in an installfest this 
> > Saturday March 4th in GoldenValley off 100 and Duluth Street.
> > 
> > Please take a moment to submit the following webform if you are 
> > insterested. We are hoping to make a decision by tomorrow.
> > 
> > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=120

Clay,

You aren't trying very hard since you haven't posted this to the tclug
list proper yet.

florin

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From marykeefe at mn.rr.com  Mon Feb 27 18:27:02 2006
From: marykeefe at mn.rr.com (Mary Keefe)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:27:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602271730100.22150@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBKEPFCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>

I would love if there were one. Being a newbie, I'd show my appreciation by
baking brownies or something like that if that would help convince anyone.
:)  I would love, love, love if there were one. Did I mention that?????

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:31 PM
To: TCLUG List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest


On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Clay Fandre wrote:

> We are trying to determine if there will interest in an installfest this
> Saturday March 4th in GoldenValley off 100 and Duluth Street.
>
> Please take a moment to submit the following webform if you are
> insterested. We are hoping to make a decision by tomorrow.
>
> http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=120


Is there any idea of what the hours will be?  I can't show up until about
2:30 in the afternoon, but if you'll be there then, I'll show up for sure.

Mike

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From ben_b at ppdonline.com  Mon Feb 27 18:58:05 2006
From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:58:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0602271730100.22150@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4403A01D.D9D0829E@ppdonline.com>

I'll bring five friends if it helps make it go ;-)
Ben (having trouble getting linux installed on his new system right now
and would love an installfest this weekend!)

Mike Miller wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> > We are trying to determine if there will interest in an installfest this
> > Saturday March 4th in GoldenValley off 100 and Duluth Street.
> >
> > Please take a moment to submit the following webform if you are
> > insterested. We are hoping to make a decision by tomorrow.
> >
> > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=120


From markmit at mn.rr.com  Mon Feb 27 20:19:40 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:19:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a bargain-basement 3d video card.
Message-ID: <200602272019.49260.markmit@mn.rr.com>

I just bought a $50 21" monitor which had an unexpected side effect.  My 3dfx 
Banshee card just outlived it's usefulness.

I couldn't figure out why OpenGL stopped working until I looked through the 
xorg.log file.  The card won't work on >16bit color which isn't a major issue 
but it also won't work at > 1024x768 which is huge.

So I'm in the market for the cheapest solution that will get me GL at 
1280x1024 at 16 or 24bit color depth.  I might be able to talk SWMBO into a 
$30 budget before June, but no higher until then.

Am I screwed until June?

Any ideas appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Mitchell
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Feb 27 20:57:33 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:57:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need a bargain-basement 3d video card.
In-Reply-To: <200602272019.49260.markmit@mn.rr.com>
References: <200602272019.49260.markmit@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060228025733.GA30893@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 08:19:40PM -0600, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> So I'm in the market for the cheapest solution that will get me GL at 
> 1280x1024 at 16 or 24bit color depth.  I might be able to talk SWMBO into a 
> $30 budget before June, but no higher until then.
> 
> Am I screwed until June?

Not at all!  Check out some of the low-end cards at Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010380048+4093&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=48&Order=price

You've got at least a dozen choices for under $30 including shipping.

If you can't wait, General Nanosystems has a low-end card at $35.
http://www.nanosys1.com/vid-ch-gf4-4k64.html

ZipZoomFly has some low end stuff too and they're offering free 2nd day
shipping.  I've ordered from them before and they've been flawless.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=324521 - $30
and it includes DVI and TV-out in a retail box.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 27 21:04:50 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:04:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
In-Reply-To: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBKEPFCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>
References: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBKEPFCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602272058070.28052@Rooster>

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Mary Keefe wrote:

> I would love if there were one. Being a newbie, I'd show my appreciation by
> baking brownies or something like that if that would help convince anyone.
> :)  I would love, love, love if there were one. Did I mention that?????

Wait, wait, wait, I'm getting some mixed signals here...


(make it pizza and I'll install your machine!)


-Yaron

--


From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Mon Feb 27 21:56:12 2006
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:56:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Possible Installfest
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602272058070.28052@Rooster>
References: <BKEJINHKOKMDBGDLAJNBKEPFCDAA.marykeefe@mn.rr.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602272058070.28052@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20060228035612.GB29521@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:04:50PM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Mary Keefe wrote:
> 
> > I would love if there were one. Being a newbie, I'd show my appreciation by
> > baking brownies or something like that if that would help convince anyone.
> > :)  I would love, love, love if there were one. Did I mention that?????
> 

I'm in for the brownies.

-- 
Jim Kaufman
Linux Evangelist
public key 0x6D802619
CCNA, CISSP# 65668


From dan at dandrake.org  Mon Feb 27 22:01:09 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:01:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] network file system over encrypted channel?
Message-ID: <20060228040109.GA12211@dandrake.org>

This week I'll be getting a Kurobox HG [1]. It's a little NAS unit that
runs embedded Linux. I'm eager to play around with it and store a bunch
of my stuff on it.

I'd like to make files on the Kurobox available to my desktop system.
They'd be talking over a wireless network which is WEP encrypted but I'd
like to secure the access anyway. Is there an easy way to encrypt NFS or
Samba? I'm willing to try other network file system setups, but I'd
prefer it to be as easy as possible.

Suggestions? Thanks in advance.

Dan

  1. http://www.revogear.com
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From markmit at mn.rr.com  Mon Feb 27 22:13:47 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:13:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MIDI in Debian testing.
Message-ID: <200602272213.55355.markmit@mn.rr.com>

My sound has been working flawlessly for months, until I recently attempted to 
use MIDI.  

I seem to have all the pieces in place except /dev/snd/seq.

0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 
Audiodrive (rev 01)
aptiva:/etc/init.d# lsmod | grep midi
snd_rawmidi            23584  1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device          8332  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
snd                    50180  10 
snd_es1938,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device

aptiva:/etc/init.d# aconnect
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file 
or directory
can't open sequencer

aptiva:/etc/init.d# ls -l /dev/snd/
total 0
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  0 2006-02-27 22:10 controlC0
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  4 2006-02-27 22:10 hwC0D0
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  8 2006-02-27 22:10 midiC0D0
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 24 2006-02-27 22:10 pcmC0D0c
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 16 2006-02-27 22:10 pcmC0D0p
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 33 2006-02-27 22:10 timer

My fiancee needs noteedit working for a class she's teaching Wed, so pointers 
are desperately needed.

Thanks,
Mark Mitchell
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From markmit at mn.rr.com  Mon Feb 27 23:13:06 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:13:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] MIDI in Debian testing. (solved)
In-Reply-To: <1141102566.31142.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200602272213.55355.markmit@mn.rr.com>
	<1141102566.31142.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200602272313.21933.markmit@mn.rr.com>

(copied to list for the archives)

That did it.

Thank you.
Mark Mitchell

On Monday 27 February 2006 22:56, Ian Stoner wrote:
> Do you just need to:
>
> # modprobe snd-seq
>
> ?
>
> If so, add snd-seq to the end of your /etc/modules file, and it will
> autoload on boot.
>
> Ian
>
> On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 22:13 -0600, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> > My sound has been working flawlessly for months, until I recently
> > attempted to use MIDI.
> >
> > I seem to have all the pieces in place except /dev/snd/seq.
> >
> > 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1
> > Audiodrive (rev 01)
> > aptiva:/etc/init.d# lsmod | grep midi
> > snd_rawmidi ? ? ? ? ? ?23584 ?1 snd_mpu401_uart
> > snd_seq_device ? ? ? ? ?8332 ?2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
> > snd ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?50180 ?10
> > snd_es1938,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_h
> >wdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
> >
> > aptiva:/etc/init.d# aconnect
> > ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such
> > file or directory
> > can't open sequencer
> >
> > aptiva:/etc/init.d# ls -l /dev/snd/
> > total 0
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, ?0 2006-02-27 22:10 controlC0
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, ?4 2006-02-27 22:10 hwC0D0
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, ?8 2006-02-27 22:10 midiC0D0
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, 24 2006-02-27 22:10 pcmC0D0c
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, 16 2006-02-27 22:10 pcmC0D0p
> > crw-rw---- ?1 root audio 116, 33 2006-02-27 22:10 timer
> >
> > My fiancee needs noteedit working for a class she's teaching Wed, so
> > pointers are desperately needed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Mitchell
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From tmarble at info9.net  Tue Feb 28 06:30:37 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:30:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] network file system over encrypted channel?
In-Reply-To: <20060228040109.GA12211@dandrake.org>
References: <20060228040109.GA12211@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <4404426D.8000005@info9.net>

Dan Drake wrote:
> This week I'll be getting a Kurobox HG [1]. It's a little NAS unit that
> runs embedded Linux. I'm eager to play around with it and store a bunch
> of my stuff on it.
> 
> I'd like to make files on the Kurobox available to my desktop system.
> They'd be talking over a wireless network which is WEP encrypted but I'd
> like to secure the access anyway. Is there an easy way to encrypt NFS or
> Samba? I'm willing to try other network file system setups, but I'd
> prefer it to be as easy as possible.

I'm not sure about the encryption part for NFS (perhaps there is
a way to run ReiserFS over the net?) but, as a minimum, you could
run NFS in a secure net (think VPN) between the NAS device and clients.

What a strange and interesting box!  It's really hard to tell from
the various websites what the real vitality is of this thing... some
of the pages are 2 years old and some of the forum postings are recent.
Have you, or anyone you know, had experience with the Kurobox?

In this category I've been considering hacking the "SL" -- think
of the WRT54G + NSLU2 (retails for $129):
http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=categories&op=newindex&catid=3
Differences from the KuroBox:
- 32 MB vs. 64 MB
- processor speed? vs. 200 Mhz
- USB 2.0 vs Internal and USB?
- 4 wired and 1 wireless interfaces vs. 1 wired?

Hmmmmm..

--Tom