I've used Debian and (way back when) Red Hat . Besides apt, one beauty of Debian is not having to get on the upgade treadmill every 6 months, 1 year, or whatever. Sarge will be a round for a while. I've never used a GUI for admin, so I can't speak to that. Does your sysadmin want one? I just have a nightly perl script that runs "apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade" and sends me the results if anything needs upgrading. Then it's just 'apt-get upgrade'. Doesn't happen often. As far as OSX, it rocks - except for MySQL, at least. I do all my devel work on a Mac using BBEdit, then upload it to an el-cheapo Box Shop white box that is my server. Sad to say, the white box is faster. Steve -------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060218/923b84bf/attachment.htm