From bhartm at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 07:02:44 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Sun Jan  1 07:01:18 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] TWiki  vs. everything else
In-Reply-To: <20051231172052.GI29291@therub.org>
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You're right, Dan. I really ought to stop recommending TWiki.
<nop>_It was_ <nop>*by far* the best thing alive when I put it up 4 
years ago at a former employer. I did the ugly task of forcing people to 
use BumpyWords. (tsk,tsk, I'm editing your doc! do it right!) Hindsight, 
I think it caught on because I wrote 90% of everything for 2 years and 
my techs could search for and maybe even *find* useful info instead of 
phkng calling me all day.
TWiki for me was simply a great way to write quick stuff quickly and to 
publish more format-intensive stuff consistently. then there's, mm, LDAP 
Plugin. Search the dreckry from yer browser? The TWiki core developers 
are very consistent and conservative. Good for them, I think, but wikked 
little tools (perl tools) like that one make me wanna take these guys 
seriously.
I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, or how TWiki is 
any more difficult to install and configure than any mySQL/PHP thing. I 
can put up a TWiki in about 20 minutes.. Mm, now I should go back and 
read my first paragraph again. And get proficient at mySQL and PHP.



perl is probably the worst language ever written.. and the most useful. 
I can't find the quote!

Dan Rue wrote:

>I just have to respond when twiki is mentioned.   I think someone
>recommended it a few messages ago (deleted already).  As a user and
>admin who is stuck on twiki, I have a few criticisms.  
>
>The way I see it is thus: twiki was one of if not the first wiki
>implimentation.  That's great, way to be a leader.  However, strike one,
>it's perl.  Strike two, it's complicated to install, set up, and use
>compared to modern wikis.  Strike three, it's syntax is horrid.  Wiki's
>have come a long way.  Don't make the mistake of going wiht twiki if
>you're doing a fresh wiki install today.
>
>I'm glad you found drupal and like it.  drupal and wiki's solve
>different problems (we run both at work internally *sigh*).  For wikis,
>i recommend mediawiki (think: wikipedia) and dokuwiki (not much
>experience but I hear good things).
>
>Dan
>
>  
>

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From drue at therub.org  Sun Jan  1 21:21:22 2006
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Sun Jan  1 21:22:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] TWiki  vs. everything else
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On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:02:44AM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>    You're right, Dan.  I really ought to stop recommending TWiki.
>    <nop>_It was_  <nop>*by far* the best thing alive when I put it up 4
>    years ago at a former employer.  I did the ugly task of forcing people
>    to use BumpyWords.  (tsk,tsk, I'm editing your doc! do it right!)
>    Hindsight, I think it caught on because I wrote 90% of everything for
>    2 years and my techs could search for and maybe even *find* useful
>    info instead of phkng calling me all day.
>    TWiki for me was simply a great way to write quick stuff quickly and
>    to publish more format-intensive stuff consistently.  then there's,
>    mm, LDAP Plugin.  Search the dreckry from yer browser?  The TWiki core
>    developers are very consistent and conservative.  Good for them, I
>    think, but wikked little tools (perl tools) like that one make me
>    wanna take these guys seriously.
>    I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, or how TWiki is
>    any more difficult to install and configure than any mySQL/PHP thing.
>    I can put up a TWiki in about 20 minutes.. Mm, now I should go back
>    and read my first paragraph again.  And get proficient at mySQL and
>    PHP.
>    perl is probably the worst language ever written.. and the most
>    useful.  I can't find the quote!

Lol.. ok, 

>    I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, ...
2 lines later..
>    perl is probably the worst language ever written..

hehe..

Getting the site set up isn't too terribly bad, after you deal with cpan
and 3rd party perl deps..  The worst part is once you get it set up,
figuring out the namespace scope stuff.  Took me a while to wrap my head
around their namespaces (and by that I mean Main, TWiki, Sandbox, and
then the ones that you can create).  Great, so once I figure them out,
they're kind of a neat way to separate your data.  But then as soon as
an unsuspecting user tries to link to an article in the Administration
web from the Development web, it doesn't work and I get a call..  Now
I'm stuck explaining namespaces to some luser.  Modern wiki's are much
more friendly in this respect (plus php/mysql apps really are much
easier to install than perl apps), and I don't find that it's really a
problem having only one namespace.  Heck, the biggest wiki in the world
(wikipedia) only has one namespace, and they don't seem to mind.  

Dan


From bhartm at visi.com  Mon Jan  2 18:15:14 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Mon Jan  2 18:16:09 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] TWiki  vs. everything else
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Dan Rue wrote:

>On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:02:44AM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>  
>
>>   You're right, Dan.  I really ought to stop recommending TWiki.
>>   <nop>_It was_  <nop>*by far* the best thing alive when I put it up 4
>>   years ago at a former employer.  I did the ugly task of forcing people
>>   to use BumpyWords.  (tsk,tsk, I'm editing your doc! do it right!)
>>   Hindsight, I think it caught on because I wrote 90% of everything for
>>   2 years and my techs could search for and maybe even *find* useful
>>   info instead of phkng calling me all day.
>>   TWiki for me was simply a great way to write quick stuff quickly and
>>   to publish more format-intensive stuff consistently.  then there's,
>>   mm, LDAP Plugin.  Search the dreckry from yer browser?  The TWiki core
>>   developers are very consistent and conservative.  Good for them, I
>>   think, but wikked little tools (perl tools) like that one make me
>>   wanna take these guys seriously.
>>   I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, or how TWiki is
>>   any more difficult to install and configure than any mySQL/PHP thing.
>>   I can put up a TWiki in about 20 minutes.. Mm, now I should go back
>>   and read my first paragraph again.  And get proficient at mySQL and
>>   PHP.
>>   perl is probably the worst language ever written.. and the most
>>   useful.  I can't find the quote!
>>    
>>
>
>Lol.. ok, 
>
>  
>
>>   I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, ...
>>    
>>
>2 lines later..
>  
>
>>   perl is probably the worst language ever written..
>>    
>>
>
>hehe..
>
>Getting the site set up isn't too terribly bad, after you deal with cpan
>and 3rd party perl deps..  The worst part is once you get it set up,
>figuring out the namespace scope stuff.  Took me a while to wrap my head
>around their namespaces (and by that I mean Main, TWiki, Sandbox, and
>then the ones that you can create).  Great, so once I figure them out,
>they're kind of a neat way to separate your data.  But then as soon as
>an unsuspecting user tries to link to an article in the Administration
>web from the Development web, it doesn't work and I get a call..  Now
>I'm stuck explaining namespaces to some luser.  Modern wiki's are much
>more friendly in this respect (plus php/mysql apps really are much
>easier to install than perl apps), and I don't find that it's really a
>problem having only one namespace.  Heck, the biggest wiki in the world
>(wikipedia) only has one namespace, and they don't seem to mind.  
>
>Dan
>
>  
>
Dan, I appreciate the conversation. 

I know, I know.  Maybe I've been too lucky, but I've never had to do 
anything with perl and CPAN in putting one of these up on RH8, SuSE 9.x, 
debian or even KNOPPIX.  I've stuck to Apache 1.3 and perl 5.8.  Who 
needs a spurious performance bump when it'll likely  give you a 
concussion or brain freeze?  (from that statement, pretty clear that I 
have tried and failed with Apache2 and mod_perl.)

To the question of separate TWikiWebs (namespaces)--  It was a matter of 
security, privacy and separated authority instead of data organization.  
I built that TWiki for myself and my immediate customers, the desktop 
techs.  I wanted to make doc available to them from the EU's PC.  
Searchable, printable from anywhere.  But I didn't want the EUs to be 
browsing our stuff.  TWiki's authentication scheme was the only way to 
go at the time.  Once it caught on, other functional groups in IT wanted 
some, but they didn't want the desktop slugs to see their stuff.  fine.  
This is where TWiki's model of webs and groups becomes useful.  I  
wanted concise, verifiable and accountable documentation, not in the 
hands of an all knowing me, but put in the hands of people who use it 
more.   Power to the People so they stop bugging me.  :-)   
Then I scoured their edits and sent nasty-grams.  It's good to be the 
king.  =-O

HappyNewYear.
bhartm

From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 19:16:33 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Mon Jan  2 19:18:09 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] TWiki vs. everything else
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	<20051230144909.GC10099@www.ewilts.org> <43B62C61.8000705@visi.com>
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Twiki is not bad if you don't have to set it up. Just don't try it with
certain versions of Apache2 (all, maybe), it has major issues rendering
pages.  I actually liked the namespaces, it allowed us to share the public
information without showing the proprietary data about our system.
Unfortunately our twiki is deprecated since we switched to rhel3 (ew) and
apache2, in fact today we basically got the machine DoSed by a couple of
googlebots(my university's and google's decided to crawl it today)  We have
now switched to dokuwiki which has allot of nice features: php, flat file,
namespaces, mediawiki syntax, and AJAX(pretty blinking lights for the powers
that be).

-Ryan

On 1/2/06, Bob Hartmann <bhartm@visi.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dan Rue wrote:
>
> >On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:02:44AM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
> >
> >
> >>   You're right, Dan.  I really ought to stop recommending TWiki.
> >>   <nop>_It was_  <nop>*by far* the best thing alive when I put it up 4
> >>   years ago at a former employer.  I did the ugly task of forcing
> people
> >>   to use BumpyWords.  (tsk,tsk, I'm editing your doc! do it right!)
> >>   Hindsight, I think it caught on because I wrote 90% of everything for
> >>   2 years and my techs could search for and maybe even *find* useful
> >>   info instead of phkng calling me all day.
> >>   TWiki for me was simply a great way to write quick stuff quickly and
> >>   to publish more format-intensive stuff consistently.  then there's,
> >>   mm, LDAP Plugin.  Search the dreckry from yer browser?  The TWiki
> core
> >>   developers are very consistent and conservative.  Good for them, I
> >>   think, but wikked little tools (perl tools) like that one make me
> >>   wanna take these guys seriously.
> >>   I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, or how TWiki is
> >>   any more difficult to install and configure than any mySQL/PHP thing.
> >>   I can put up a TWiki in about 20 minutes.. Mm, now I should go back
> >>   and read my first paragraph again.  And get proficient at mySQL and
> >>   PHP.
> >>   perl is probably the worst language ever written.. and the most
> >>   useful.  I can't find the quote!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Lol.. ok,
> >
> >
> >
> >>   I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, ...
> >>
> >>
> >2 lines later..
> >
> >
> >>   perl is probably the worst language ever written..
> >>
> >>
> >
> >hehe..
> >
> >Getting the site set up isn't too terribly bad, after you deal with cpan
> >and 3rd party perl deps..  The worst part is once you get it set up,
> >figuring out the namespace scope stuff.  Took me a while to wrap my head
> >around their namespaces (and by that I mean Main, TWiki, Sandbox, and
> >then the ones that you can create).  Great, so once I figure them out,
> >they're kind of a neat way to separate your data.  But then as soon as
> >an unsuspecting user tries to link to an article in the Administration
> >web from the Development web, it doesn't work and I get a call..  Now
> >I'm stuck explaining namespaces to some luser.  Modern wiki's are much
> >more friendly in this respect (plus php/mysql apps really are much
> >easier to install than perl apps), and I don't find that it's really a
> >problem having only one namespace.  Heck, the biggest wiki in the world
> >(wikipedia) only has one namespace, and they don't seem to mind.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> Dan, I appreciate the conversation.
>
> I know, I know.  Maybe I've been too lucky, but I've never had to do
> anything with perl and CPAN in putting one of these up on RH8, SuSE 9.x,
> debian or even KNOPPIX.  I've stuck to Apache 1.3 and perl 5.8.  Who
> needs a spurious performance bump when it'll likely  give you a
> concussion or brain freeze?  (from that statement, pretty clear that I
> have tried and failed with Apache2 and mod_perl.)
>
> To the question of separate TWikiWebs (namespaces)--  It was a matter of
> security, privacy and separated authority instead of data organization.
> I built that TWiki for myself and my immediate customers, the desktop
> techs.  I wanted to make doc available to them from the EU's PC.
> Searchable, printable from anywhere.  But I didn't want the EUs to be
> browsing our stuff.  TWiki's authentication scheme was the only way to
> go at the time.  Once it caught on, other functional groups in IT wanted
> some, but they didn't want the desktop slugs to see their stuff.  fine.
> This is where TWiki's model of webs and groups becomes useful.  I
> wanted concise, verifiable and accountable documentation, not in the
> hands of an all knowing me, but put in the hands of people who use it
> more.   Power to the People so they stop bugging me.  :-)
> Then I scoured their edits and sent nasty-grams.  It's good to be the
> king.  =-O
>
> HappyNewYear.
> bhartm
>
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From scheides at iexposure.com  Tue Jan  3 12:04:20 2006
From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker)
Date: Tue Jan  3 12:06:10 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: any cisco experts in the house?
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On Wednesday 28 December 2005 10:25 am, Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Mark J. Kroska <MKroska@kdv.com> wrote:
> > Erik--
> > As long as you have enough free interfaces to handle the T-1s you should
> > be fine -- conditionally.
> > Generally the issue is the amount of RAM needed to do routing long before
> > CPU power.
> > If you are doing static routing you should be more than fine...you could
> > probably have 8 or more T-1s without running low on CPU resources.
> > If you were doing dynamic routing the CPU still may not be getting
> > hammered, again the RAM would be the limiting factor.  (Dynamic routing
> > meaning RIP, OSPF, BGP, etc.  The more complex the routing tables, the
> > more CPU power you need)
> > I've successfully run 2 T-1s with a 'light' BGP load with 64MB RAM before
> > (in a staging environment), and it barely scratched the CPU, where the
> > RAM was nearly fully utilized.
> > Out of curiosity, how much RAM does the unit have?  What type of
> > interfaces will you be terminating with?
> > Will any of the T-1s be bonded/multiplexed or channelized?
> >
> > Another factor to consider if you don't have the interfaces purchased:
> > not all T-1 interfaces work with all levels of firmware.  I ran into an
> > issue with a newer WIC and an older firmware--it wouldn't even detect it!
>
> Thanks for the info, Mark.  In our case, we'll be using one 2651 to
> terminate all the T1s, which will then connect to a second 2651 which
> will do the routing.  For the time being, it's all static routing.

You should be fine, however there are circumstances that may arise that could 
cause you trouble.  I have a similar setup (2610XM) and I'm doing BGP and 
Multilink on.  Normally everything is fine, but recently we experienced a 
DDOS SYN flood attack.  My router was swamped, memory useage was fine, but 
processor useage maxed out due to the large number of packets.  

Just something to keep in mind.

-scheides




From clindholm at bigfoot.com  Tue Jan  3 21:16:30 2006
From: clindholm at bigfoot.com (Carl Lindholm)
Date: Wed Jan  4 11:09:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] chart of accounts in gnucash
Message-ID: <43BB3E0E.8090601@bigfoot.com>

How do I get alisting of a chart of account numbers is guncash. I need 
this informantion.

-- 


Carl Lindholm
206 Maryknoll Drive
Stillwater,Mn 55082
Home (651) 439-8710
Cell (612) 327-5037

To fly one must throw them self at the ground really hard and miss.

The ride is the objective, the destination the mere excuse. :>) 


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Thu Jan  5 12:22:58 2006
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Thu Jan  5 12:24:12 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Calling Perl script from PHP script
Message-ID: <43BD6402.9040300@knicknack.net>

I am writing a web application where I'd like to call a Perl script from 
a PHP script. The reason I'm doing this is because I sometimes use the 
Perl script stand-alone and would rather not re-code the whole thing in 
PHP. What happens is that I get a permission denied message in my Apache 
logs.

I tried a simple script that only prints out a short string and was able 
to get it to work as long as it was in the same directory as the PHP 
script. However, when I put my more complex script in the same directory 
as the PHP script I get the permission denied message. I suspect it has 
something to do with the complex script loading modules.

Any ideas how to get this to work?

Versions:
    OS: Centos 4 (no SE-Linux)
    Apache: v2.0.52
    PHP: v4.3.9
    Perl: v5.8.5

Thanks,

Eric



From jrkbiz at sihope.com  Thu Jan  5 07:53:28 2006
From: jrkbiz at sihope.com (John Kuster)
Date: Thu Jan  5 13:08:18 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] chart of accounts in gnucash (Carl Lindholm)
Message-ID: <20060105134725.M89544@sihope.com>

The GnuCash chart-of-accounts can be viewed by clicking "File" => "New Account
Tree."  You then click on the "Assets", "Liabilities", etc. to see the
accounts you've created inside.  I don't think GnuCash comes with a "standard"
chart-of-accounts, so you will need to create one.  You create accounts by
clicking "File" => "New Account."

John R Kuster, CPA
jkuster@sihope.com 

--
Sihope Communications - The Twin Cities' FIRST all digital, all x2/56k ISP.
Tired of Spam - Try an ISP with a solution - http://marvin.sihope.com


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu Jan  5 13:29:31 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Thu Jan  5 13:30:12 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Calling Perl script from PHP script
In-Reply-To: <43BD6402.9040300@knicknack.net>
References: <43BD6402.9040300@knicknack.net>
Message-ID: <20060105132931.A25467@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 12:22:58PM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote:
> I am writing a web application where I'd like to call a Perl script from 
> a PHP script. The reason I'm doing this is because I sometimes use the 
> Perl script stand-alone and would rather not re-code the whole thing in 
> PHP. What happens is that I get a permission denied message in my Apache 
> logs.
> 
> I tried a simple script that only prints out a short string and was able 
> to get it to work as long as it was in the same directory as the PHP 
> script. However, when I put my more complex script in the same directory 
> as the PHP script I get the permission denied message. I suspect it has 
> something to do with the complex script loading modules.


Does this complicated script touch any files?  My guess is that
the web server user doesn't have permissions to read or write
some file that is needed.  Try changing to the web server user
(which is www-data on my systems, but may vary) and run the
script from a shell that way and see if it works.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |

From barnabas at knicknack.net  Fri Jan  6 12:21:13 2006
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Fri Jan  6 12:22:13 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Calling Perl script from PHP script
In-Reply-To: <C6DCFDAB-6D8B-4BB4-A57A-A64266B3DE5A@mitechie.com>
References: <43BD6402.9040300@knicknack.net>
	<C6DCFDAB-6D8B-4BB4-A57A-A64266B3DE5A@mitechie.com>
Message-ID: <43BEB519.5030100@knicknack.net>

Richard Harding wrote:

>
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Eric Stanley wrote:
>
>> I am writing a web application where I'd like to call a Perl script  
>> from a PHP script. The reason I'm doing this is because I sometimes  
>> use the Perl script stand-alone and would rather not re-code the  
>> whole thing in PHP. What happens is that I get a permission denied  
>> message in my Apache logs.
>>
>> I tried a simple script that only prints out a short string and was  
>> able to get it to work as long as it was in the same directory as  
>> the PHP script. However, when I put my more complex script in the  
>> same directory as the PHP script I get the permission denied  
>> message. I suspect it has something to do with the complex script  
>> loading modules.
>>
>> Any ideas how to get this to work?
>
>
> The script must be executable by the user your web server runs under.  
> Is the script executable by nobody or whatever user CentOS uses?
>
> Rick
>
For testing purposes the script is executable by everyone. I have also 
tried calling it by passing it and its arguments as arguments to perl 
itself.

From admin at lctn.org  Fri Jan  6 14:35:48 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Fri Jan  6 14:36:13 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] need proper mount command for cdwriter
Message-ID: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>

Found a doc to mount cdwriters, but it is not working for me. What would
be the proper syntax for a usb burner showing up as /dev/scd0?


Raymond

From strayf at freeshell.org  Fri Jan  6 18:04:15 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Fri Jan  6 18:06:13 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Calling Perl script from PHP script
In-Reply-To: <43BEB519.5030100@knicknack.net>
References: <43BD6402.9040300@knicknack.net>
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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:21:13PM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote:
[...]
> For testing purposes the script is executable by everyone. I have also 
> tried calling it by passing it and its arguments as arguments to perl 
> itself.

Do you have any restrictive permissions on the directories your perl modules
are in? Or is the include path different for the apache user (look in @INC)?

-Steve


From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:41:51 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Fri Jan  6 18:42:14 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] need proper mount command for cdwriter
In-Reply-To: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530601061641j601a4421xb5cbb98fe5b5a59d@mail.gmail.com>

If sudo is set up:
sudo mount /dev/scd0 /mnt

otherwise run as root:
mount /dev/scd0 /mnt

Only root will be able to view contents unless you use a bunch of switches.

On 1/6/06, Raymond Norton <admin@lctn.org> wrote:
>
> Found a doc to mount cdwriters, but it is not working for me. What would
> be the proper syntax for a usb burner showing up as /dev/scd0?
>
>
> Raymond
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From sfertch at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 19:07:50 2006
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Fri Jan  6 19:08:13 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] need proper mount command for cdwriter
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On 1/6/06, Jeff Rasmussen <jeff.rasmussen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If sudo is set up:
> sudo mount /dev/scd0 /mnt
>
> otherwise run as root:
> mount /dev/scd0 /mnt
>
> Only root will be able to view contents unless you use a bunch of
> switches.
>


Is the system available for mounting USB devices?  If not, he'll need to
either load the modules or compile into the kernel.

A more preferable method is to change the options within the /etc/fstab file
from "owner" to "user" so that a non-admin user can use it.  Something
similar to:

/dev/scd0     /usbcdrw       iso9660         noauto,user,exec   0   0

Syntax could be wrong, as I have never attempted to mount a USB CD-Rom
device.

BTW, if the CD-Rom has blank media in it you won't be able to mount it.
It's treated just as if he's trying to mount a CD-Rom drive without media.



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From seg at haxxed.com  Mon Jan  9 02:43:42 2006
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan  9 02:44:16 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] windows 'upgrade'
In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0512271940m7398821bxf8e573705c8fa278@mail.gmail.com>
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> linux can't write to NTFS safely,

Actually it can, with various limitations, if you're running a 2.6
kernel. But it is safe.

2.6.15 in particular has greatly improved NTFS:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/10/31/120
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 16:47:00 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue Jan 10 19:00:18 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] windows 'upgrade'
In-Reply-To: <1136796223.18058.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <3436983.1135719691401.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
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If you're used to Windows 98, you probally won't notice much of a
difference between WinXP Home and Pro. You can do alot more with WinXP
Pro, and Microsoft will activily support WinXP Pro for much longer
than they will WinXP Home. New patches/service packs for WinXP Home
will probally end within a couple years of Windows Vista being
released. I belive WinXP Pro will be supported until 2011.

That said, it's fairly easy to restore grub using a Knoppix disk, but
not quite as easy as using your Fedora Rescue CD.

With Knoppix:

Pop in the Knoppix CD. At the prompt, knoppix 2 should kick you into
text only mode. Once booted, mount up your linux partitions.

mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /mnt
mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/home

However you partitioned your disk.

Now with your linux partitions mounted (under Knoppix), run the
following commands:

grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda

You may get some floppy I/O errors even if you do specify --no-floppy
(I did on 11/10/04 when I last did this...), but as long as you get a
"Completed with no errors" type message, you are set. You should get
your grub menu when you reboot.

--
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Tue Jan 10 20:19:56 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Tue Jan 10 20:38:19 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] windows 'upgrade'
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020601101446o5dd9098dq288795ad89716858@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3436983.1135719691401.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
	<65293fcc0512271720t7457cbe8n898faaaecf729ebb@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B20443.8050205@bolverk.net>
	<2c6699da0512271940m7398821bxf8e573705c8fa278@mail.gmail.com>
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	<e3a54b020601101446o5dd9098dq288795ad89716858@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060111021956.GA2491@www.ewilts.org>

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:47:00PM -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> If you're used to Windows 98, you probally won't notice much of a
> difference between WinXP Home and Pro. You can do alot more with WinXP
> Pro, and Microsoft will activily support WinXP Pro for much longer
> than they will WinXP Home. 

One of the key differences is the support for multiple CPUs.  XP Home
only supports 1...  If you're a Linux user used to having an smp kernel,
forget about it with XP Home.  

        .../Ed
-- 
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Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program

From bhartm at visi.com  Tue Jan 10 21:42:39 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue Jan 10 21:42:17 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] need proper mount command for cdwriter
In-Reply-To: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com>

Just a thought:
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt//(whatever)/
Maybe the burner expects to be used like any other USB storage, like my 
cruzer.  I don't know how the the thing, /dev/scd0, is "showing up."  
lsusb or usbview or what?

Raymond Norton wrote:

>Found a doc to mount cdwriters, but it is not working for me. What would
>be the proper syntax for a usb burner showing up as /dev/scd0?
>
>
>Raymond
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>  
>

From bhartm at visi.com  Tue Jan 10 21:44:59 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue Jan 10 21:47:59 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] need proper mount command for cdwriter
In-Reply-To: <43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com>
Message-ID: <43C47F3B.60900@visi.com>

oops, I italicized some of that and sent in plain text.  (whatever).

Bob Hartmann wrote:

> Just a thought:
> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt//(whatever)/
> Maybe the burner expects to be used like any other USB storage, like 
> my cruzer.  I don't know how the the thing, /dev/scd0, is "showing 
> up."  lsusb or usbview or what?
>
> Raymond Norton wrote:
>
>> Found a doc to mount cdwriters, but it is not working for me. What would
>> be the proper syntax for a usb burner showing up as /dev/scd0?
>>
>>
>> Raymond
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>  
>>
>

From bhartm at visi.com  Tue Jan 10 22:31:16 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue Jan 10 22:30:18 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Apache1.3/Debian/Cisco 675
In-Reply-To: <43C47F3B.60900@visi.com>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>	<43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com>
	<43C47F3B.60900@visi.com>
Message-ID: <43C48A14.4050702@visi.com>


I'm stuck!
Is my router hosed or am I undermisinformed on debian's security? 

 I've been NAT-ing port 80 for six years to Windows, Solaris, SuSE and 
others.  Not debian.  Is debian the problem?  My ex gf's iMac gladly 
served some web.  Now I'm failing and I don't know why.  This is why I 
question the debian Apache package.  Thanks to some outside 
trouble-shooting buddies, I've determined that SSH does work as expected 
through NAT, but no web.  CRAP!  is port 80 a no-no? 



From sraun at fireopal.org  Wed Jan 11 09:45:05 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Wed Jan 11 09:46:19 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Apache1.3/Debian/Cisco 675
In-Reply-To: <43C48A14.4050702@visi.com>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com> <43C47F3B.60900@visi.com>
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Message-ID: <20060111154505.GB21324@fireopal.org>

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 10:31:16PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
> 
> I'm stuck!
> Is my router hosed or am I undermisinformed on debian's security? 
> 
> I've been NAT-ing port 80 for six years to Windows, Solaris, SuSE and 
> others.  Not debian.  Is debian the problem?  My ex gf's iMac gladly 
> served some web.  Now I'm failing and I don't know why.  This is why I 
> question the debian Apache package.  Thanks to some outside 
> trouble-shooting buddies, I've determined that SSH does work as expected 
> through NAT, but no web.  CRAP!  is port 80 a no-no? 

My Cisco {mumble} DSL device is NATting Port 80 to be served by Apache
on Debian, been working fine for five or six years now.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun@fireopal.org

From bhartm at visi.com  Wed Jan 11 19:35:42 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Wed Jan 11 19:30:20 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Apache1.3/Debian/Cisco 675
In-Reply-To: <20060111154505.GB21324@fireopal.org>
References: <37054.64.8.148.14.1136579748.squirrel@lctn.org>	<43C47EAF.1020604@visi.com>
	<43C47F3B.60900@visi.com>	<43C48A14.4050702@visi.com>
	<20060111154505.GB21324@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <43C5B26E.3060001@visi.com>


Thanks guys. I set an entry for a different port and changed the port 
directive in httpd.conf and that went through. Firewall, I guess. Not 
that I ever configured one..


Scott Raun wrote:

>On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 10:31:16PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm stuck!
>>Is my router hosed or am I undermisinformed on debian's security? 
>>
>>I've been NAT-ing port 80 for six years to Windows, Solaris, SuSE and 
>>others.  Not debian.  Is debian the problem?  My ex gf's iMac gladly 
>>served some web.  Now I'm failing and I don't know why.  This is why I 
>>question the debian Apache package.  Thanks to some outside 
>>trouble-shooting buddies, I've determined that SSH does work as expected 
>>through NAT, but no web.  CRAP!  is port 80 a no-no? 
>>    
>>
>
>My Cisco {mumble} DSL device is NATting Port 80 to be served by Apache
>on Debian, been working fine for five or six years now.
>
>  
>

From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Wed Jan 11 10:27:33 2006
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Thu Jan 12 09:26:08 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] windows 'upgrade'
In-Reply-To: <28675117.1136941461281.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <3436983.1135719691401.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:47:00PM -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> 
> However you partitioned your disk.
> 

I just want to make it clear to anyone who has been reading this thread that I am *not* repartitioning anything.

My current setup is FC3 on one device, Win98SE on a second device. I am replacing the Win98SE HDD and installing WinXP on a shiny new HDD with the other drives disconnected (because I am superstitious about Windows, I don't even want my other drives on the bus during the install). Then I will reconnect the FC3 disk and get things booting. Then I will connect the old windows disk, dump that drive's contents (12GB) onto the FC3 disk for storage, and then use the old windows disk for transfers between WinXP and linux.

Thanks all.

-- 
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From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Thu Jan 12 08:13:14 2006
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Thu Jan 12 09:26:10 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] moderator approval
Message-ID: <7210478.1137075199397.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>

Hi,

Sorry to clutter the list with this. My recent postings to the list generate an autoresponse saying that I am not a member of the list and my message is awaiting moderator approval.

Why is this? Do I need to go to an installfest and learn a secret handshake or something?

Just curious.

-- 
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 09:33:41 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Thu Jan 12 09:34:20 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <7210478.1137075199397.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <7210478.1137075199397.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601120733i699a2306r2c35c65c94f708f1@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/12/06, Steve Linabery <slinabery@worldcycling.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to clutter the list with this. My recent postings to the list generate an autoresponse
> saying that I am not a member of the list and my message is awaiting moderator approval.
>
> Why is this? Do I need to go to an installfest and learn a secret handshake or something?

This list is a subscriber-only list, so in order to post to the list,
you need to send from the exact email address you're subscribed from. 
If you weren't doing this, that would cause a "moderator approval"
message.

From rick at real-time.com  Thu Jan 12 09:53:31 2006
From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner)
Date: Thu Jan 12 09:54:19 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <7210478.1137075199397.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <7210478.1137075199397.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <200601120953.32179.rick@real-time.com>

On Thursday 12 January 2006 08:13 am, Steve Linabery wrote:
>
> Sorry to clutter the list with this. My recent postings to the list
> generate an autoresponse saying that I am not a member of the list and my
> message is awaiting moderator approval.
>
> Why is this? Do I need to go to an installfest and learn a secret handshake
> or something?

If the sender's email address is /not/ subscribed to the list, then posts are 
held for moderator approval.

Is the (exact) email address that you are sending from subscribed to the 
mailing list?

Do you have any email aliases setup that may be redirecting or routing email 
between two (or more) addresses?

Please contact me off-list for any specific questions, etc.

Thanks!

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                 |  Fax  :  (952) 943-8500

From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 17:14:10 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu Jan 12 19:08:21 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID questions
In-Reply-To: <307a337f0512270455k14b7baecu598753acd2d6bc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A89121.2060908@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<20051221174140.GA6164@mail.el-swifto.com>
	<43A9B207.8050008@trutwins.homeip.net>
	<307a337f0512270455k14b7baecu598753acd2d6bc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020601121514k2e9f7a94vad2359b884a9eda7@mail.gmail.com>

I've deployed two Dell servers running Linux lately. I opted for the
hardware raid card and the remote managment card. Both have been worth
every extra penny spent. :-)

But if you can't afford the extra hardware, software raid will do
well. Ideally for a RAID1 you want to have each drive on a seperate
SCSI or ATA channel, though it's definitly not required.

I ran a Linux server with software RAID1 for some time. It worked out
quite well, but I didn't boot off the RAID. Having done it both ways,
I perfer the hardware route. It's just one less thing to muck around
with. :)

--
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From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 10:59:45 2006
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Fri Jan 13 11:00:21 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
Message-ID: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello-

I'm trying to do a net install of Debian on an HP Pavilion ZV5120US laptop.
I've downloaded the latest stable version for this install. I get through
the initial setup alright, but when I try to boot, I get a segfault and then
an error:

pivot_root: No such file or directory.

I think this is a problem with the the hdd driver. It's IDE, so I would have
thought it would be fine. Maybe there is something different with HP
laptops.

Anyway, as I understand it, initrd is mounting the root filesystem. If
that's the case, then that's where the problem lies - initrd doesn't have a
proper driver for the IDE controller. So I think I need the do the
following:

1. find a driver for this laptop
2. modify initrd to load this driver before mounting the root filesystem

Does this sound right? And does anyone have any suggestions or experience
with this hardware?

Thanks!
Kevin
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From tmarble at info9.net  Fri Jan 13 11:12:08 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Fri Jan 13 11:12:22 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
In-Reply-To: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C7DF68.6050108@info9.net>

Kevin Lombardo wrote:
> I'm trying to do a net install of Debian on an HP Pavilion ZV5120US
> laptop. I've downloaded the latest stable version for this install. I
> get through the initial setup alright, but when I try to boot, I get a
> segfault and then an error:

Have you tried the newer debian installer?
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html

HTH,

--Tom

From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 12:37:46 2006
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Fri Jan 13 12:38:20 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
In-Reply-To: <43C7DF68.6050108@info9.net>
References: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C7DF68.6050108@info9.net>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570601131037l25055b58of67b2308b42d12af@mail.gmail.com>

If you don't care if it's officially Debian and just want a
debian-like system, you could also try Ubuntu.  I've had very good
luck with Ubuntu Breezy on my HP ZV6130 laptop (I'm not sure what the
differences are with the ZV5000 series).  And it's a really nice
desktop distribution with pretty good laptop support.

Jonathon


On 1/13/06, Tom Marble <tmarble@info9.net> wrote:
> Kevin Lombardo wrote:
> > I'm trying to do a net install of Debian on an HP Pavilion ZV5120US
> > laptop. I've downloaded the latest stable version for this install. I
> > get through the initial setup alright, but when I try to boot, I get a
> > segfault and then an error:
>
> Have you tried the newer debian installer?
> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html
>
> HTH,
>
> --Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:03:08 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri Jan 13 13:04:21 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb570601131037l25055b58of67b2308b42d12af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>
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> Does this sound right?

That's pretty much it.  You can boot a live CD that works on the laptop to
figure out which module you need.  Once you've determine the right module,
add it to /etc/modules and use mkinitrd to include it in a new initrd image.

This is a really annoying part of installing debian on some systems, i.e.
the installer works fine, but your newly booted system won't!  Oh well, in
my opinion it's well worth it once it's up and running.

-Eric
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From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:30:03 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Fri Jan 13 14:39:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30601131103v76c73eaei4e39736c19adfaf0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520601130859x4d283009x6b24a955204bdccc@mail.gmail.com>
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Not sure what desktop env you want but there is also kubuntu, which used KDE
as the default desktop

On 1/13/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does this sound right?
>
> That's pretty much it.  You can boot a live CD that works on the laptop to
> figure out which module you need.  Once you've determine the right module,
> add it to /etc/modules and use mkinitrd to include it in a new initrd image.
>
> This is a really annoying part of installing debian on some systems, i.e.
> the installer works fine, but your newly booted system won't!  Oh well, in
> my opinion it's well worth it once it's up and running.
>
> -Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 14:42:18 2006
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Fri Jan 13 14:42:23 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] debian install problem
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30601131103v76c73eaei4e39736c19adfaf0@mail.gmail.com>
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On 1/13/06, Eric Peterson <srcfoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does this sound right?
>
>  That's pretty much it.  You can boot a live CD that works on the laptop to figure out which module you need.  Once you've determine the right module, add it to /etc/modules and use mkinitrd to include it in a new initrd image.
>
>  This is a really annoying part of installing debian on some systems, i.e. the installer works fine, but your newly booted system won't!  Oh well, in my opinion it's well worth it once it's up and running.
>
>  -Eric
>
>

Thanks for the info guys. I ended up going with the Debian test as I
did not really need stable (I don't think anyway). Debian test seemed
to work fine...

From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Jan 15 20:58:15 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun Jan 15 21:00:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
Message-ID: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 16 09:52:52 2006
From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 16 09:53:32 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] cron jobs won't run
Message-ID: <E30A4975-64FF-4E19-9251-5A443998D62A@visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I've got a Debian box here that doesn't want to run cron jobs. I've  
got the standard Debian cron package installed and the daemon is  
running. Neither jobs created in crontab nor the shortcuts in /etc/ 
cron.* run at all.

Any ideas? I've restarted cron but that doesn't help. I'm not sure  
what to try next.

-Tim

-- 
Tim Wilson
Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy
mailto: wilson@visi.com   aim: tis270   blog: http://technosavvy.org


From dru at druswanderings.net  Mon Jan 16 10:05:42 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Mon Jan 16 10:06:24 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] cron jobs won't run
In-Reply-To: <E30A4975-64FF-4E19-9251-5A443998D62A@visi.com>
References: <E30A4975-64FF-4E19-9251-5A443998D62A@visi.com>
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Tim Wilson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've got a Debian box here that doesn't want to run cron jobs. I've got
> the standard Debian cron package installed and the daemon is running.
> Neither jobs created in crontab nor the shortcuts in /etc/cron.* run at
> all.
> 
> Any ideas? I've restarted cron but that doesn't help. I'm not sure what
> to try next.
> 

Just an idea...

Debian won't run scripts that have a file extension, eg., "cronjob.sh"
won't run, "cronjob" will.

I've been bitten by that one on more than one occasion.  If that's not
the issue then I'm not sure what may be happening.  Permissions perhaps?

- --
Andy Moore
aka The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 10:05:00 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Mon Jan 16 10:06:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] WPA in Yellow Dog Linux
Message-ID: <101e49ea0601160805m1504211dq859e689184e4bd36@mail.gmail.com>

I have a G3 iMac 600Mhz laptop.  I have installed Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1 on
it, and everything works well, except the wireless security.  The wireless
itself works, but I am not seeing how to configure WPA.  I tried to work
with WPAsupplicant, but have determined this will not work.  Does anyone
know how to do this, or can point me to a website with information on how to
do this?  Thanks.

- Joey
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From slushpupie at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 11:54:40 2006
From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 16 11:56:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] cron jobs won't run
In-Reply-To: <43CBC456.8080004@druswanderings.net>
References: <E30A4975-64FF-4E19-9251-5A443998D62A@visi.com>
	<43CBC456.8080004@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <ace41e70601160954o1a834c96uaaaf9f32da7c529b@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/06, The Wandering Dru <dru@druswanderings.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> Tim Wilson wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I've got a Debian box here that doesn't want to run cron jobs. I've got
> > the standard Debian cron package installed and the daemon is running.
> > Neither jobs created in crontab nor the shortcuts in /etc/cron.* run at
> > all.
> >
> > Any ideas? I've restarted cron but that doesn't help. I'm not sure what
> > to try next.
> >
>
> Just an idea...
>
> Debian won't run scripts that have a file extension, eg., "cronjob.sh"
> won't run, "cronjob" will.

Not quite.  It uses run-parts to get things in cron.d, so it excludes
certain extentions  but not all.  Check the man page for run-parts to
see the exact regex used.

> I've been bitten by that one on more than one occasion.  If that's not
> the issue then I'm not sure what may be happening.  Permissions perhaps?


I've also been bitten by expired users.  If the cron user has an
expired password entry (regardless of it having a password) cron will
not run.  Not only the user named cron, but also the user cron would
execute as.

--
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/

From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 16 15:55:07 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 16 15:56:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
Message-ID: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>

I had this same error occur on a different server last week. I thought it
was a WebGUI issue, because it showed up right after an upgrade. The two
servers have the same distro (CentOS 4.1), and yum running. Both worked
fine for some time, especially this latest box. It has been running for 6
months. I have not done any work on the box for a couple months now, so
whatever occurred must have been from yum. Any ideas how to fix this?

(this is not a httpd.conf issue)

root@www ~]# service httpd restart
Stopping httpd:                                            [FAILED]
Starting httpd: execvp: No such file or directory
                                                           [FAILED]


From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Mon Jan 16 17:56:14 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Mon Jan 16 17:56:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20060116235614.GA16912@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:55:07PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I had this same error occur on a different server last week. I thought
> it was a WebGUI issue, because it showed up right after an upgrade.
> The two servers have the same distro (CentOS 4.1), and yum running.
> Both worked fine for some time, especially this latest box. It has
> been running for 6 months. I have not done any work on the box for a
> couple months now, so whatever occurred must have been from yum. Any
> ideas how to fix this?

I just googled for "Starting httpd: execvp: No such file or directory",
and got like a bajillion hits.  I don't know if any of them apply, but
if I had your problem I'd look there.

-- 
trammell@el-swifto.com  9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58  FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5
Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG)      Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 16 18:18:23 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 16 18:20:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <20060116235614.GA16912@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060116235614.GA16912@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <59255.204.212.34.10.1137457103.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I just googled for "Starting httpd: execvp: No such file or directory",
> and got like a bajillion hits.  I don't know if any of them apply, but
> if I had your problem I'd look there.


I started there, but so far there are no replies to most people asking
this question, or I have ruled out the answer given.




From nate at refried.org  Mon Jan 16 22:20:25 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Mon Jan 16 22:21:17 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:55:07PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> root@www ~]# service httpd restart
> Stopping httpd:                                            [FAILED]
> Starting httpd: execvp: No such file or directory

execvp is the system call that starts another program.  If it's giving
the above error, whatever the system call is trying to start isn't
there.

My suggestion would be to run the httpd init script with bash tracing.

# sh -x /etc/init.d/httpd restart

If that doesn't give you a good hint, I'm not sure what will.

Does `apachectl restart` give you the same error?

Nate

From florin at iucha.net  Mon Jan 16 22:48:18 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon Jan 16 22:52:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>
Message-ID: <20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:20:25PM -0600, Nate Straz wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:55:07PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > root@www ~]# service httpd restart
> > Stopping httpd:                                            [FAILED]
> > Starting httpd: execvp: No such file or directory
> 
> execvp is the system call that starts another program.  If it's giving
> the above error, whatever the system call is trying to start isn't
> there.
> 
> My suggestion would be to run the httpd init script with bash tracing.
> 
> # sh -x /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> 
> If that doesn't give you a good hint, I'm not sure what will.

strace

florin

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From ntraxler at mn.rr.com  Tue Jan 17 00:44:50 2006
From: ntraxler at mn.rr.com (Nick Traxler)
Date: Tue Jan 17 00:46:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
Message-ID: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>

Does anyone know a good online photo gallery? The main feature I want is 
for people to have access to a full-size version of the images. (Free is 
a bid plus too.)

I've used Kodakgallery and Flickr - kodak only shows you a reduced 
resolution and flickr has annoying upload limits. (I think the free 
account only gets small pictures too.)

Any better options out there? (Aside from roll your own, of course)

Thanks in advance!

Nick

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Jan 17 01:45:28 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Tue Jan 17 01:46:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601170143590.9723@Rooster>

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Nick Traxler wrote:

> Any better options out there? (Aside from roll your own, of course)

I'm actually a roll-your-own fan - I rolled mine because no online gallery 
had all the features I wanted. Or rather, none of the freely downloadable 
ones did. But I think you need to clarify whether you're looking for image 
hosting or for gallery software.


-Yaron

--

From wilson at visi.com  Tue Jan 17 02:24:10 2006
From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 02:24:26 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2979C5DF-B967-4EAF-90C6-767E9B953DD8@visi.com>

On Jan 17, 2006, at 12:44 AM, Nick Traxler wrote:

> Does anyone know a good online photo gallery? The main feature I  
> want is for people to have access to a full-size version of the  
> images. (Free is a bid plus too.)

Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com/) is very good. Tons of features  
and easy to use.

-Tim

-- 
Tim Wilson
Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy
mailto: wilson@visi.com   aim: tis270   blog: http://technosavvy.org


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Tue Jan 17 04:26:02 2006
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley)
Date: Tue Jan 17 04:26:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <43CCC63A.8060201@knicknack.net>

Nick Traxler wrote:

> Does anyone know a good online photo gallery? The main feature I want 
> is for people to have access to a full-size version of the images. 
> (Free is a bid plus too.)
>
> I've used Kodakgallery and Flickr - kodak only shows you a reduced 
> resolution and flickr has annoying upload limits. (I think the free 
> account only gets small pictures too.)
>
> Any better options out there? (Aside from roll your own, of course)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Nick
>
Tim Wilson suggested gallery (although the URL I used is 
http://gallery.sourceforge.net). I second his suggestion. It is free and 
it has the feature you want of access to the full-size version of the 
images.

Eric


From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 04:27:28 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 04:32:26 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <2979C5DF-B967-4EAF-90C6-767E9B953DD8@visi.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
	<2979C5DF-B967-4EAF-90C6-767E9B953DD8@visi.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601170227s136ee570p9589c9cf27055050@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/06, Tim Wilson <wilson@visi.com> wrote:
>
> Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com/) is very good. Tons of features
> and easy to use.

Ditto - I've been using Gallery for close to five years now.  It's
quite nice. and very easy to setup, administrate, and extend.

From kcbnac at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 07:11:07 2006
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Tue Jan 17 07:12:33 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>

I just pulled up their front page - but I have noticed the complete loss of
the University of Minnesota's mirror - which saddens me, I'll see if I can't
get in touch through other groups and see what's happened, if anyone knows,
please say so.

On 1/15/06, Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone else noticed that SourceForge is down, or is it just for me?  I
> haven't been able to connect via ssh for CVS checkins since the beginning of
> last week and their website isn't displaying either.
>
>
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 07:31:06 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 07:32:39 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/06, Keith Bachman <kcbnac@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just pulled up their front page - but I have noticed the complete loss of the University of
> Minnesota's mirror - which saddens me, I'll see if I can't get in touch through other groups
> and see what's happened, if anyone knows, please say so.

It's seemed to me that historically, the UMN sf mirror has been the
most unstable and unreliable of all the mirrors.  If I recall, their
mirror was down for a period of several months in late 2004/early
2005.

From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 08:58:45 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:02:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0601170227s136ee570p9589c9cf27055050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
	<2979C5DF-B967-4EAF-90C6-767E9B953DD8@visi.com>
	<fc40260f0601170227s136ee570p9589c9cf27055050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0601170658x18dfb656g38a11c3f0743b1d8@mail.gmail.com>

 No one mentioned Picasa, which is available from Google. It's a nice
 album, and you can export into Web Pages, with thumbnails and full
 sized pics. You can also export into XML and format the pages anyway
 you like.

 And yes, it's free also.

On 1/17/06, Erik Anderson <erikerik@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/06, Tim Wilson <wilson@visi.com> wrote:
> >
> > Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com/) is very good. Tons of features
> > and easy to use.
>
> Ditto - I've been using Gallery for close to five years now.  It's
> quite nice. and very easy to setup, administrate, and extend.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


--
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net

From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue Jan 17 09:20:59 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:22:26 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601170143590.9723@Rooster>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0601170143590.9723@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20060117092059.A17848@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:45:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Nick Traxler wrote:
> 
> >Any better options out there? (Aside from roll your own, of course)
> 
> I'm actually a roll-your-own fan - I rolled mine because no online gallery 
> had all the features I wanted. Or rather, none of the freely downloadable 
> ones did. But I think you need to clarify whether you're looking for image 
> hosting or for gallery software.
> 

I have used bins (http://bins.sautret.org/) for two years
 and I am very happy with it.
-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |

From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 09:26:12 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:30:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>
	<43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601170726y77047baci89f730ce16a34181@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/06, William Bear <bear@umn.edu> wrote:
>
>
> The mirror has been down for awhile.  The original admins who were
> working on the mirror left the University, and the project was in
> limbo.  Recently, we've started working on the mirror again, but are
> unable to get Linux to play nice with the University SAN.  dm-multipath
> would not work properly with the EMC Clariion hardware, and EMC's
> PowerPath software doesn't seem any better.  We have a limited amount of
> time to work on the mirror, but we hope to have it up soon.

Hrm - bummer.  Thanks for the explanation.  Good luck.

BTW, how much disk does it take to mirror sf.net?

From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Jan 17 09:36:47 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:41:50 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery? 
In-Reply-To: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com> 
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060117153647.150952783@skuld.wookimus.net>

Nick Traxler <ntraxler@mn.rr.com>  wrote:
> Does anyone know a good online photo gallery? The main feature I
> want is for people to have access to a full-size version of the
> images. (Free is a bid plus too.)

gallery.py, stable v2.0.2.  http://www.net-es.dk/~pj/python/

Demo: http://wookimus.net/~chewie/photos

I have a cron job to search the source directory and regenerate/update
the destination directory when new photos show up.  There are a few
logic bugs you may have to work out with big changes, but it works
pretty well.  Much better than what I had been using before, curator.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */


From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 09:31:23 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:44:40 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0601170227s136ee570p9589c9cf27055050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43CC9262.8040806@mn.rr.com>	<2979C5DF-B967-4EAF-90C6-767E9B953DD8@visi.com>
	<fc40260f0601170227s136ee570p9589c9cf27055050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CD0DCB.5070405@gmail.com>

Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 1/17/06, Tim Wilson <wilson@visi.com> wrote:
>> Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com/) is very good. Tons of features
>> and easy to use.
> 
> Ditto - I've been using Gallery for close to five years now.  It's
> quite nice. and very easy to setup, administrate, and extend.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
Major ditto.  Never had a problem with Gallery.  Great features. 
Perfect price.

Dan

-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/

From nate at refried.org  Tue Jan 17 09:46:11 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue Jan 17 09:51:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
Message-ID: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>

Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse@btopenworld.com, not
sure if that is a good email address yet or not.

Nate

From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 10:02:29 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 10:11:58 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
In-Reply-To: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
References: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601170802t71485714x18387c171842fc1c@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/06, Nate Straz <nate@refried.org> wrote:
> Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
> has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
> this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse@btopenworld.com, not
> sure if that is a good email address yet or not.

Yes - I've been getting them.  The wierd thing is that they're being
sent to an email addy of mine that I used for the TCLUG list ~2 yrs
ago.

From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Tue Jan 17 10:24:10 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Tue Jan 17 10:26:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <200601171647.k0HGloGk006837@delta.twp-llc.com>
References: <200601171647.k0HGloGk006837@delta.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <29716.192.28.2.52.1137515050.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

I'm getting a ton of spam allegedly from tclug-list. Neat. I haven't
checked them all, but some is coming from 217.36.121.186.

I'm running FC4, sendmail, cyrus-imapd and spamassassin all with latest
(released) updates, but my system doesn't seem to be detecting spam at
all, even though I'm pretty sure I enabled a blacklist or two.

I would sincerely appreciate tips on how to make sure spamassassin is
working.

Many thanks,
Chris Schumann




From strayf at freeshell.org  Tue Jan 17 10:28:24 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Tue Jan 17 10:30:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
In-Reply-To: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
References: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
Message-ID: <20060117162824.GA3465@callisto-acss.acad.umn.edu>

On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:46:11AM -0600, Nate Straz wrote:
> Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
> has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
> this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse@btopenworld.com, not
> sure if that is a good email address yet or not.

Yes. I've gotten about a dozen this morning.

-Steve

From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Tue Jan 17 10:34:50 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Tue Jan 17 10:48:08 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
Message-ID: <28670.192.28.2.52.1137515690.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

Just to have it in one place...

I'm having the problem on my home server (FC4) but also on my company's
server, which runs RHEL3. Neither one seems to be marking spam.

I have read the spamassassin pages, and set configuration files to what
seems reasonable, but no joy.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Chris Schumann



From shanson at cruiskeen.com  Tue Jan 17 11:10:34 2006
From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 11:11:48 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <28670.192.28.2.52.1137515690.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <28670.192.28.2.52.1137515690.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <43CD250A.5000508@cruiskeen.com>

Chris Schumann wrote:
> Just to have it in one place...
> 
> I'm having the problem on my home server (FC4) but also on my company's
> server, which runs RHEL3. Neither one seems to be marking spam.
> 
> I have read the spamassassin pages, and set configuration files to what
> seems reasonable, but no joy.
> 
> What am I missing?
It sounds like you're not actually using spamassassin anywhere in your
mail stream.  You haven't mentioned anyplace any way to integrate
Spamassassin, so my guess is that you have not done so. You mention
using sendmail and cyrus - in which case you can't very easily use an
end-user solution like procmail to stuff your email through
spamassassin.  You probably want to run spamassassin as a sendmail
milter on your mail server - this could be through a spamassassin milter
(like spamass-milter), or better, through something more versatile like
Mimedefang.

You might want to take a look at
http://www.mickeyhill.com/mimedefang-howto/
to start off.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Schumann
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From duff0097 at umn.edu  Tue Jan 17 11:14:42 2006
From: duff0097 at umn.edu (duff0097)
Date: Tue Jan 17 11:19:08 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] usb wireless
Message-ID: <200601171714.k0HHEglt015384@saturn.software.umn.edu>

I have an old iMac G3, and I was curious what the best usb wireless device
would be to use with this?

I found one (TEW-424UB V2) that uses ndiswrapper - but that only works on
x86 or amd64 arch's.

-Bryan


From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Tue Jan 17 12:32:55 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Tue Jan 17 12:34:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <43CD250A.5000508@cruiskeen.com>
References: <28670.192.28.2.52.1137515690.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
	<43CD250A.5000508@cruiskeen.com>
Message-ID: <27954.192.28.2.52.1137522775.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

Turns out that's close. Users of my server do not have login accounts:
They have only inboxes. Spamassassin appears to be running for root, but
not other users. Hmmmmm.

Time for more looking.
Chris

Steve Hanson said:
> Chris Schumann wrote:
>> Just to have it in one place...
>>
>> I'm having the problem on my home server (FC4) but also on my
>> company's server, which runs RHEL3. Neither one seems to be marking
>> spam.
>>
>> I have read the spamassassin pages, and set configuration files to
>> what seems reasonable, but no joy.
>>
>> What am I missing?
> It sounds like you're not actually using spamassassin anywhere in your
> mail stream.  You haven't mentioned anyplace any way to integrate
> Spamassassin, so my guess is that you have not done so. You mention
> using sendmail and cyrus - in which case you can't very easily use an
> end-user solution like procmail to stuff your email through
> spamassassin.  You probably want to run spamassassin as a sendmail
> milter on your mail server - this could be through a spamassassin milter
> (like spamass-milter), or better, through something more versatile like
> Mimedefang.
>
> You might want to take a look at
> http://www.mickeyhill.com/mimedefang-howto/
> to start off.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Schumann
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 12:48:16 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Tue Jan 17 12:48:25 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] usb wireless
In-Reply-To: <200601171714.k0HHEglt015384@saturn.software.umn.edu>
References: <200601171714.k0HHEglt015384@saturn.software.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1469cda20601171048q3895c205u27b666461719a598@mail.gmail.com>

You may want to look at
http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz. There are a lot
of adapters listed, along with the chipset they use. The Seattle
Wireless site has a bunch of information as well.
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html is
a good resource as well.

I used to have a netgear ma111 802.11b usb key that worked quite well.


On 1/17/06, duff0097 <duff0097@umn.edu> wrote:
> I have an old iMac G3, and I was curious what the best usb wireless device
> would be to use with this?
>
> I found one (TEW-424UB V2) that uses ndiswrapper - but that only works on
> x86 or amd64 arch's.
>
> -Bryan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From markmit at mn.rr.com  Tue Jan 17 14:05:44 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (markmit@mn.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jan 17 14:06:26 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] USB -> IDE convertor
Message-ID: <7e504c7e929b.7e929b7e504c@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Does anyone know of a local source for these?  I don't want an
enclosure, just the naked cable.

Microcenter has what I want, but $20 seems high when I can get it on
ebay for less than $10 (including S/H).

Thanks
Mark Mitchell

From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Jan 17 15:01:57 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue Jan 17 15:02:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1137531717.18255.68.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com>

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Jan 17 21:25:52 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue Jan 17 21:26:26 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <5048946.1137480606584.JavaMail.root@sniper41>
References: <5048946.1137480606584.JavaMail.root@sniper41>
Message-ID: <200601172125.54034.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 12:44 am, Nick Traxler wrote:
> Does anyone know a good online photo gallery? The main feature I want is
> for people to have access to a full-size version of the images. (Free is
> a bid plus too.)
>
> I've used Kodakgallery and Flickr - kodak only shows you a reduced
> resolution and flickr has annoying upload limits. (I think the free
> account only gets small pictures too.)
>
> Any better options out there? (Aside from roll your own, of course)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Nick

I use igal (http://www.stanford.edu/~epop/igal/) it is not a photo gallery 
program so much as it generates a photo gallery page. It supports the base 
features you're looking for full size/thumbnailing. You just run the program 
in the directory where your images are and blammo you have a full gallery 
system all set up. No need for cgi/php/whatever plugins.

From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jan 18 07:47:02 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed Jan 18 07:49:50 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
Message-ID: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>

Glad it's no me, but I have a school I work with that had a server go
down. (no back ups). It was a windows 2000 server with mirrored drives.
One drive has turned out to be toast, and the other shows that it is an
ntfs simple volume. Is there any way to mount this in Linux to see if we
can recover data? If not, is there a good company that can retrieve data
in this situation?


Raymond

From jkjones at tcq.net  Wed Jan 18 07:58:45 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:00:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43CE4995.8040803@tcq.net>

Raymond Norton wrote:

>Glad it's no me, but I have a school I work with that had a server go
>down. (no back ups). It was a windows 2000 server with mirrored drives.
>One drive has turned out to be toast, and the other shows that it is an
>ntfs simple volume. Is there any way to mount this in Linux to see if we
>can recover data? If not, is there a good company that can retrieve data
>in this situation?
>
>
>Raymond
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>  
>
I know Knoppix can access NTFS volumes.   Could be a simple way to 
recover your data, if it works for you.

Kraig

From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jan 18 08:15:46 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:16:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <43CE4995.8040803@tcq.net>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43CE4995.8040803@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <47476.64.8.148.14.1137593747.squirrel@lctn.org>

>  You could also just
> put it in another Windows box and mount it as a slave.

Yeah, we tried that in three different boxes. Two showed it as a FAT
partition, and a foreign file system. One XP box shows the simple volume
(3 partitions), and 100% available disk space.

From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jan 18 08:26:53 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:29:12 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>
	<20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>


>> # sh -x /etc/init.d/httpd restart
>>
>> If that doesn't give you a good hint, I'm not sure what will.
>


Here is the problem. What can I do to fix it?

+ initlog -c /usr/sbin/httpd
execvp: No such file or directory
+ '[' 255 -eq 0 ']'
+ failure 'httpd startup'


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:26:38 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:34:12 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <bada98250601180625m64593746y3850abf952a834e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<43CE4995.8040803@tcq.net>
	<47476.64.8.148.14.1137593747.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<bada98250601180625m64593746y3850abf952a834e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bada98250601180626p74d589fby3a6339e2528a5504@mail.gmail.com>

I've found that Linux can sometimes read files off of stuffed drives;
I had an NTFS & a FAT32 drive bite the dust last year, and was able to
steal all the necessary data off of them using Ubuntu; Windows
wouldn't even recognize that I had plugged in the drive. It's worth a
shot.

                                                      -jordan

On 1/18/06, Raymond Norton <admin@lctn.org> wrote:
> >  You could also just
> > put it in another Windows box and mount it as a slave.
>
> Yeah, we tried that in three different boxes. Two showed it as a FAT
> partition, and a foreign file system. One XP box shows the simple volume
> (3 partitions), and 100% available disk space.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From nate at refried.org  Wed Jan 18 08:38:02 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:40:40 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>
	<20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>
	<44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20060118143802.GA32360@refried.org>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:26:53AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> >> # sh -x /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> >>
> >> If that doesn't give you a good hint, I'm not sure what will.
> 
> Here is the problem. What can I do to fix it?
> 
> + initlog -c /usr/sbin/httpd
> execvp: No such file or directory

Check to see whether initlog is missing or /usr/sbin/httpd is missing.
You might want to run `rpm -V initscripts httpd` to see if those
packages are damaged.

Nate

From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Wed Jan 18 08:36:35 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:40:46 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1137594995.10681.252143009@webmail.messagingengine.com>

NTFS read access has been available in the Linux kernel for quite some
time. Most distributions have this enabled right out of the box. If your
distribution does not have this functionality you can either compile the
ntfs module if you have the kernel source or you can download an ntfs
utility package if your distribution has one.


----- Original message -----
From: "Raymond Norton" <admin@lctn.org>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:47:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?

Glad it's no me, but I have a school I work with that had a server go
down. (no back ups). It was a windows 2000 server with mirrored drives.
One drive has turned out to be toast, and the other shows that it is an
ntfs simple volume. Is there any way to mount this in Linux to see if we
can recover data? If not, is there a good company that can retrieve data
in this situation?


Raymond

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jan 18 08:45:30 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:49:22 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org> <20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>
	<44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <47768.64.8.148.14.1137595530.squirrel@lctn.org>

Too weird!

"yum install httpd" fixed it!

Thanks much!

From rwh at visi.com  Wed Jan 18 08:53:17 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck)
Date: Wed Jan 18 08:54:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43CE565D.7050207@visi.com>

I haven't recovered a mirrored pair under Windows since NT 3.51, but ...

As I recall there was a trick to get it to boot from the mirrored drive 
- I seem to recall typing in the full path to the disk in the boot 
loader. Then once it was running I had to use Disk Mangler to break the 
pair, popped in the new drive and set up the mirroring again.

As a last resort you could boot from the W2K install disk and see what 
it thinks is going on and see if it offers to fix it.

--rick


Raymond Norton wrote:
> Glad it's no me, but I have a school I work with that had a server go
> down. (no back ups). It was a windows 2000 server with mirrored drives.
> One drive has turned out to be toast, and the other shows that it is an
> ntfs simple volume. Is there any way to mount this in Linux to see if we
> can recover data? If not, is there a good company that can retrieve data
> in this situation?
> 
> 
> Raymond
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From rclark at lakesplus.com  Wed Jan 18 09:00:34 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Wed Jan 18 09:01:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
In-Reply-To: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
References: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
Message-ID: <1137596434.10369.38.camel@iwill>

I have probably received 15 or 20 of these in my postini filter ... the
portion of postini that indicates they have a virus.  Of course there is
no guarantee that they are coming from the tclug site ... could/probably
be coming from someone else with that reply addy i guess.

Randy

On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:46 -0600, Nate Straz wrote:
> Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
> has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
> this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse@btopenworld.com, not
> sure if that is a good email address yet or not.
> 
> Nate
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Jan 18 09:03:19 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed Jan 18 09:05:01 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] The dreaded execvp error!
In-Reply-To: <44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44460.64.8.148.14.1137448507.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060117042025.GA10805@refried.org>
	<20060117044818.GD9680@iucha.net>
	<44291.64.8.148.14.1137594413.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20060118150319.GH9680@iucha.net>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:26:53AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> 
> >> # sh -x /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> >>
> >> If that doesn't give you a good hint, I'm not sure what will.
> >
> 
> 
> Here is the problem. What can I do to fix it?
> 
> + initlog -c /usr/sbin/httpd
> execvp: No such file or directory
> + '[' 255 -eq 0 ']'
> + failure 'httpd startup'

First check that /usr/sbin/httpd exists and it is readable and
executable:
   $ ls -l /usr/sbin/httpd
   -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 299912 Sep  2 11:00 /usr/sbin/httpd
because if I run
   $ initlog -c foo
   WARNING: initlog is deprecated and will be removed in a future release
   execvp: No such file or directory


Then I would replace the "initlog -c /usr/sbin/httpd" with:
   strace initlog -c /usr/sbin/httpd 2> /tmp/initlog.trace
and look in /tmp/initlog.trace for clues.

florin

-- 
Don't question authority: they don't know either!
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From tmarble at info9.net  Wed Jan 18 10:10:55 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Wed Jan 18 10:10:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <43CE688F.6020100@info9.net>

Raymond Norton wrote:
> Glad it's no me, but I have a school I work with that had a server go
> down. (no back ups). It was a windows 2000 server with mirrored drives.

I don't know about windows mirrored drives, but others have recommended
LiveCD's to mount the partition(s).

Let me make a plug for a CD everyone should have handy -- RIP
Recovery Is Possible.
http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/

You should be able to boot this and see the partitions:
# fdisk -l /dev/hda
# fdisk -l /dev/hdb
# fdisk -l /dev/hdc
# fdisk -l /dev/hdd

Let's say the NTFS volume is /dev/hdb3 then you should be able to
mount it read-only with
# mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdb3 /mnt

I'm sure, however, that since Windows is so easy to administer that
there is a way to pop in a good drive for the bad one and have it do the
right thing(TM).

HTH,

--Tom

From bear at umn.edu  Tue Jan 17 09:23:42 2006
From: bear at umn.edu (William Bear)
Date: Wed Jan 18 10:33:35 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>



The mirror has been down for awhile.  The original admins who were
working on the mirror left the University, and the project was in
limbo.  Recently, we've started working on the mirror again, but are
unable to get Linux to play nice with the University SAN.  dm-multipath
would not work properly with the EMC Clariion hardware, and EMC's
PowerPath software doesn't seem any better.  We have a limited amount of
time to work on the mirror, but we hope to have it up soon.

Will

Erik Anderson wrote:

>On 1/17/06, Keith Bachman <kcbnac@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>I just pulled up their front page - but I have noticed the complete loss of the University of
>>Minnesota's mirror - which saddens me, I'll see if I can't get in touch through other groups
>>and see what's happened, if anyone knows, please say so.
>>    
>>
>
>It's seemed to me that historically, the UMN sf mirror has been the
>most unstable and unreliable of all the mirrors.  If I recall, their
>mirror was down for a period of several months in late 2004/early
>2005.
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>

-- 
------------------
William Bear
School of Mathematics
University of Minnesota
W: 612-625-2309
GNUPG Fingerprint: CE5E 3571 CD4C F29C 8089  D0DF B175 26CE 5C27 B748
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From bear at umn.edu  Wed Jan 18 08:58:57 2006
From: bear at umn.edu (William Bear)
Date: Wed Jan 18 10:33:39 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0601170726y77047baci89f730ce16a34181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>	<fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>	<43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>
	<fc40260f0601170726y77047baci89f730ce16a34181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CE57B1.2050607@umn.edu>

The mirror requires just under 2TB.

Will

Erik Anderson wrote:

>On 1/17/06, William Bear <bear@umn.edu> wrote:
>  
>
>>The mirror has been down for awhile.  The original admins who were
>>working on the mirror left the University, and the project was in
>>limbo.  Recently, we've started working on the mirror again, but are
>>unable to get Linux to play nice with the University SAN.  dm-multipath
>>would not work properly with the EMC Clariion hardware, and EMC's
>>PowerPath software doesn't seem any better.  We have a limited amount of
>>time to work on the mirror, but we hope to have it up soon.
>>    
>>
>
>Hrm - bummer.  Thanks for the explanation.  Good luck.
>
>BTW, how much disk does it take to mirror sf.net?
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>

-- 
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School of Mathematics
University of Minnesota
W: 612-625-2309
GNUPG Fingerprint: CE5E 3571 CD4C F29C 8089  D0DF B175 26CE 5C27 B748
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From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed Jan 18 10:43:49 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed Jan 18 10:48:27 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] SourceForge down?
In-Reply-To: <43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>
References: <1137380295.32071.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<32fd45370601170511s5c4b3c88sbdc31729d30fc6f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0601170531o10067dc4u461125de177f5a47@mail.gmail.com>
	<43CD0BFE.2090602@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601181043050.23499@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, William Bear wrote:
> The mirror has been down for awhile.  The original admins who were 
> working on the mirror left the University, and the project was in limbo. 
> Recently, we've started working on the mirror again, but are unable to 
> get Linux to play nice with the University SAN.  dm-multipath would not 
> work properly with the EMC Clariion hardware, and EMC's PowerPath 
> software doesn't seem any better.  We have a limited amount of time to 
> work on the mirror, but we hope to have it up soon.

Have you tried QLogic's driver that has built-in multipath support? That's 
what I'm using with my PowerVault 660F (it's based on a very common Mylex 
chipset.)

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| nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From austad at signal15.com  Wed Jan 18 12:31:53 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Wed Jan 18 12:32:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP schema design
Message-ID: <BBF4C08F-28E3-4ADB-924A-D274C2238433@signal15.com>

I just installed FC4 with Fedora Directory Server.  I'm looking for  
pointers on configuring it and getting a schema in place.  I can't  
seem to find any docs that walk you through it and I don't have time  
to read 300 pages of docs.  Anyone have any suggestions?

Right now, the database is empty.

~jay

From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jan 18 16:29:03 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed Jan 18 16:31:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] is there any hope?
In-Reply-To: <1137594995.10681.252143009@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <44021.64.8.148.14.1137592022.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<1137594995.10681.252143009@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1103.64.8.148.29.1137623343.squirrel@lctn.org>



Good news! Knoppix did the trick. It looks like we are going to recover
all data on the drive.

Thanks much for your recommendations.


Raymond

From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 16:43:01 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed Jan 18 16:44:31 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Online photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <200601172125.54034.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <5048946.1137480606584.JavaMail.root@sniper41>
	<200601172125.54034.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020601181443s37f15224q8e535a37c7e2971@mail.gmail.com>

Apache::Gallery is a nice simple deal. Create folders. Put images in
the folders. Set what resolutions you want, access to original is
there. No frills like photo copy or upload. You use scp to upload
anyway don't you? :p

http://apachegallery.dk/

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned

From strayf at freeshell.org  Wed Jan 18 23:31:54 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Wed Jan 18 23:32:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync/rsnapshot failing to delete old files.
Message-ID: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah>

I'm having a struggle getting rsnapshot/rsync to delete files on my backup
machine that have been deleted on my desktop machine.

At first I thought I was using rsnapshot wrong, but I turned up the logging
and grabbed the actual rsync command and ran it, but it still won't delete
files that have been deleted from the source. 

The command is:
"/usr/bin/rsync -ax --ignore-errors --delete --numeric-ids --relative
--delete-excluded --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh root@client:/home/ /backupdir/client/ "

The backup machine executing this call is running debian amd64 stable, with
rsync 2.6.4, the client/source is running debian x86 testing with rsync 2.6.6.
It's not reporting any errors, but I added the --ignore-errors just to make
sure that wasn't the issue. 

Any thoughts or suggestions? Am I doing something clueless?

Thanks.

-Steve

From bgilbertson at stonel.com  Thu Jan 19 07:29:27 2006
From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Thu Jan 19 07:30:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync/rsnapshot failing to delete old files.
In-Reply-To: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah>
References: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah>
Message-ID: <43CF9437.7090707@stonel.com>

Does ssh work by itself?  Authorized keys setup, no passphrase, etc?
Haven't used some of the options myself so don't know how they may
interact but appears --ignore-errors and --delete-excluded should be
used with caution.
I usually use something like
rsync -avz --delete user@client:/dir_to_backup /backup_dirs/
manually for backup.  Get rsync working without ssh first.   Ssh works
great once set up, but can be finicky getting set up properly IMO.

Bob


Steve Cayford wrote:

>I'm having a struggle getting rsnapshot/rsync to delete files on my backup
>machine that have been deleted on my desktop machine.
>
>At first I thought I was using rsnapshot wrong, but I turned up the logging
>and grabbed the actual rsync command and ran it, but it still won't delete
>files that have been deleted from the source. 
>
>The command is:
>"/usr/bin/rsync -ax --ignore-errors --delete --numeric-ids --relative
>--delete-excluded --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh root@client:/home/ /backupdir/client/ "
>
>The backup machine executing this call is running debian amd64 stable, with
>rsync 2.6.4, the client/source is running debian x86 testing with rsync 2.6.6.
>It's not reporting any errors, but I added the --ignore-errors just to make
>sure that wasn't the issue. 
>
>Any thoughts or suggestions? Am I doing something clueless?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Steve
>

From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Jan 19 08:22:05 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu Jan 19 08:30:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync/rsnapshot failing to delete old files.
In-Reply-To: <43CF9437.7090707@stonel.com>
References: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah> <43CF9437.7090707@stonel.com>
Message-ID: <20060119142205.GA12611@isaiah>

On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 07:29:27AM -0600, Bob Gilbertson wrote:
> Does ssh work by itself?  Authorized keys setup, no passphrase, etc?
> Haven't used some of the options myself so don't know how they may
> interact but appears --ignore-errors and --delete-excluded should be
> used with caution.

Yes, ssh works using the ssh-agent. The backups are fine except that they
keep accumulating old files. The --ignore-errors is part of my
testing/debugging process; it wasn't in the original call.

I think ssh is the default transport for rsync now, spelling it out on
the command line is just to make sure that doesn't change.

> I usually use something like
> rsync -avz --delete user@client:/dir_to_backup /backup_dirs/
> manually for backup.  Get rsync working without ssh first.   Ssh works
> great once set up, but can be finicky getting set up properly IMO.
> 
> Bob
> 

From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Jan 19 11:22:36 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu Jan 19 11:26:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync/rsnapshot failing to delete old files.
In-Reply-To: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah>
References: <20060119053154.GA17346@isaiah>
Message-ID: <20060119172236.GA28715@callisto-acss.acad.umn.edu>

In case anyone's curious I think I've resolved this. Dropping the trailing
slash on the source directory seems to do the trick. Seems like a bug, but
maybe there's some good reason for it.

-Steve

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:31:54PM -0600, Steve Cayford wrote:
> I'm having a struggle getting rsnapshot/rsync to delete files on my backup
> machine that have been deleted on my desktop machine.
> 
> At first I thought I was using rsnapshot wrong, but I turned up the logging
> and grabbed the actual rsync command and ran it, but it still won't delete
> files that have been deleted from the source. 
> 
> The command is:
> "/usr/bin/rsync -ax --ignore-errors --delete --numeric-ids --relative
> --delete-excluded --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh root@client:/home/ /backupdir/client/ "
> 
> The backup machine executing this call is running debian amd64 stable, with
> rsync 2.6.4, the client/source is running debian x86 testing with rsync 2.6.6.
> It's not reporting any errors, but I added the --ignore-errors just to make
> sure that wasn't the issue. 
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions? Am I doing something clueless?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 19 11:39:21 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Thu Jan 19 11:40:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Mac OS 8.6 freezes connecting to Fedora 3
Message-ID: <000001c61d1f$48886d90$0400a8c0@arda.com>

Hi All,

 

I have a Mac connected on my home network to share files from a Linux
machine. I just use the clear text login with a Linux account. All was
working fine for a very long time until recently I was doing something in
Photoshop on the Mac and the connection to the share dropped (I'm sure
PhotoShop isn't the problem). I thought maybe the NIC gave up and died but I
can still open web sites in a browser. However, when I open the Chooser and
try to connect to the Linux share, I get as far as selecting the server and
entering the username and password, but when I click the Connect button it
hangs. The dialog starts to open that would display the available
directories to connect to, but that dialog remains blank and the little
wristwatch cursor just sits there and nothing ever happens. I then have to
force quit the chooser. I would really appreciate it if anyone has
experienced something like this and might have suggestions to the cause or
solution.

 

Thanks,

 

John

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jan 19 14:13:14 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu Jan 19 14:14:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200601192013.k0JKDER29254@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 3U Rackmount Case w/PS

I have three near-new 3U cases.  Comes with 300w PS.  Bought new for $210 each.  Will sell for $165 each or all 3 for $450.  There is nothing wrong with these cases.  Sale due to changes in business operations.  Compare to KRI, Newegg, or even Nanosys (4U with no PS).  This is a good price.

Seller Email address: sales at bbwh dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jan 19 14:17:15 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu Jan 19 14:18:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200601192017.k0JKHFP30786@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 2U system

2U rackmount Intel Box with dual Xeon / 4-36GB SCSI / 512MB RAM for $1100 firm.  Sale due to change in business operations.  Serious inquiries, please

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From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu Jan 19 14:24:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200601192023.k0JKNtX31754@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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From slushpupie at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:02:45 2006
From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 19 14:32:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP schema design
In-Reply-To: <BBF4C08F-28E3-4ADB-924A-D274C2238433@signal15.com>
References: <BBF4C08F-28E3-4ADB-924A-D274C2238433@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <ace41e70601191202l4043f4deuabddd6cf7364523d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Jay Austad <austad@signal15.com> wrote:
> I just installed FC4 with Fedora Directory Server.  I'm looking for
> pointers on configuring it and getting a schema in place.  I can't
> seem to find any docs that walk you through it and I don't have time
> to read 300 pages of docs.  Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Right now, the database is empty.

The schema it comes with will be sufficient for a large majority of
uses (such as nsswitch, addressbooks, etc).  You will likely want to
create accounts for users/people using the shadowAccount object class,
and posixGroup object class for groups.  I tend to organize the users
and groups into organizationalUnits (ou's), but that has no real
effect on how nsswitch works unless you tell it to.

--
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/

From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 19 17:10:01 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Thu Jan 19 17:20:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Nitty-gritty stuff
Message-ID: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Two questions:
 1) What does it mean when Linux says on shutdown "unmounting pipe file system"?
 
 2) I found a neat book "Code Reading, The Open Source Perspective" by Diomidis Spinellis which does a lot to explain the real-world details of software development. Is there a similar book that would tell me such fun facts as my first question about "pipe file system"?
 
 I'm starting compsci grad school and I'm supposed to help an instructor put together a new operating system class. I'd like to find materials that really goes into the nitty-gritty of a Linux or BSD box. Before, they used Tannenbaum or Silberschatz which is fine for the theoretical level, but not on-the-ground real world Linux or BSD. For example, what would be a good real world Unix app to grab the source code for and snoop/hack around? Any ideas?
 
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From austad at signal15.com  Thu Jan 19 15:59:38 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Thu Jan 19 17:24:31 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] multicast testing
Message-ID: <D0A69516-7431-4D18-AEAE-20C164BB0E32@signal15.com>

Anyone know the name of a package that includes the programs "sender"  
and "receiver"?  It's for testing multicast and I need a way to do  
some testing.

Otherwise, does anyone have any suggestions for testing it?  I've got  
VLC, so that's always an option, but I've been having issues with it.

~jay


From eric at vangyzen.net  Thu Jan 19 18:51:16 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Thu Jan 19 18:52:28 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Nitty-gritty stuff
In-Reply-To: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43D03404.80305@vangyzen.net>

Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> 2) I found a neat book "Code Reading, The Open Source Perspective" by 
> Diomidis Spinellis which does a lot to explain the real-world details of 
> software development. Is there a similar book that would tell me such 
> fun facts as my first question about "pipe file system"?

I highly recommend "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD 
Operating System" by Marshall Kirk McKusick and George V. Neville-Neil 
(ISBN 0201702452).  It's the only book that I bought within a week of 
its release.  ;)  As is obvious from the name, it's a very detailed 
description of every major subsystem of the kernel: process management, 
memory management, I/O, file systems, IPC, and more.  For real hands-on 
learning, keep a copy of the FreeBSD kernel source handy, and refer to 
it often.

> I'm starting compsci grad school and I'm supposed to help an instructor 
> put together a new operating system class. I'd like to find materials 
> that really goes into the nitty-gritty of a Linux or BSD box. Before, 
> they used Tannenbaum or Silberschatz which is fine for the theoretical 
> level, but not on-the-ground real world Linux or BSD. For example, what 
> would be a good real world Unix app to grab the source code for and 
> snoop/hack around? Any ideas?

It depends on the intentions of your class.  If you want a more hands-on 
version of the typical undergrad OS class, the FreeBSD book and source 
would be great.  If you're aiming more at the user-space level, the 
source for a Unix shell (such as bash) might be good: shells use a 
variety of an operating system's features.

I hope this helps.

Eric

From bhurt at spnz.org  Thu Jan 19 22:03:03 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Thu Jan 19 21:54:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Nitty-gritty stuff
In-Reply-To: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601192141560.10377@localhost.localdomain>



On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Two questions:
> 1) What does it mean when Linux says on shutdown 
> "unmounting pipe file system"?

IIRC, it's a virtual filesystem.  Named pipes go into the normal file 
system, while unnamed pipes (such as those created with the pipe(2) system 
call) are put onto the pipefs.  This way, every descriptor has some file 
on some file system associated with it.

>
> 2) I found a neat book "Code Reading, The Open Source Perspective" by 
> Diomidis Spinellis which does a lot to explain the real-world details of 
> software development. Is there a similar book that would tell me such 
> fun facts as my first question about "pipe file system"?

Google is your friend.  It'll bring up:
http://cdrom.gnutemberg.org/LDP/guide/lki.pdf

Which has some discussion of the pipefs file system.  For more 
information, you probably want to google the linux kernel mailing list 
archive.  And then read the source code.

Lesson number one, from a professional device driver writer: the important 
information is never written down in the documentation.  The advantage of 
open source is that you don't have to disassemble the OS to figure things 
out (and yes, Virginia, I have have disassembled more than one OS).

>
> I'm starting compsci grad school and I'm supposed to help an instructor 
> put together a new operating system class. I'd like to find materials 
> that really goes into the nitty-gritty of a Linux or BSD box. Before, 
> they used Tannenbaum or Silberschatz which is fine for the theoretical 
> level, but not on-the-ground real world Linux or BSD. For example, what 
> would be a good real world Unix app to grab the source code for and 
> snoop/hack around? Any ideas?

You might want to consider "The Design and Implementation of BSD 4.X" for 
some X as a text book.  Tannenbaum's Minix book is also good for practical 
OS application.

Pretty much once you get past Tannenbaum and/or The Daemon Book, the next 
real step is to start writting real device drivers.  I'd be inclined to 
pick some not-too-complicated device, and write drivers for it for a 
couple of different OSs.  If I had the time (and hardware), I'd say 
Windows, Linux, Solaris, and AIX is a good spread.  That's certainly way 
too much for one course (heck, one device driver probably is).  And you 
don't have the fun of buggy hardware, and trying to figure out if it's a 
software bug or a hardware bug.  But those four OSs are a good spread of 
both what OSs do right, and what OSs do wrong, and what OSs just do 
differently.

Brian


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 07:44:59 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Fri Jan 20 07:46:31 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Kernel Panic
Message-ID: <002a01c61dc7$b4c67440$0400a8c0@arda.com>

Hi All,

 

Installing Fedora 3 on some generic box with a PIII 600MHz processor and I
just get:

 

<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt

 

Any good suggestions on this one?

 

Thanks,

 

John

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Jan 20 09:28:55 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri Jan 20 09:29:32 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] monitoring network activity of a Linux box
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0601200924470.13530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

A friend has a Linux machine with many users.  Suppose one or more users 
is doing inappropriate things with the box like sending ping floods or 
scanning networks.  He would want to know about it.  Is there any software 
that is designed specifically to monitor for this kind of stuff and report 
when it sees something unusual?  A program like netstat can detect all 
sorts of network activity, but it would have to be called at intervals and 
its output would have to be parsed and analyzed by some other programs.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Mike

From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Fri Jan 20 09:51:58 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Fri Jan 20 09:48:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] monitoring network activity of a Linux box
Message-ID: <200601201551588601455e2d@mail.smumn.edu>


On Friday, January 20, 2006  9:28 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:28:55 -0600 (CST)
>From: Mike Miller
>To: TCLUG List <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
>Subject: [tclug-list] monitoring network activity of a Linux box
>
>A friend has a Linux machine with many users.  Suppose one or more users
>is doing inappropriate things with the box like sending ping floods or
>scanning networks.  He would want to know about it.  Is there any software
>that is designed specifically to monitor for this kind of stuff and report
>when it sees something unusual?  A program like netstat can detect all
>sorts of network activity, but it would have to be called at intervals and
>its output would have to be parsed and analyzed by some other programs.
>
>Thanks in advance for any tips.
>
>Mike
>

There are alot of tools you can use to monitor network traffic, google turned out this page from Standford university that lists almost every monitoring tool out there; it also has a brief introduction to Network Monitoring Protocol (NMP). 

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html

In my experience the most widely used mnitoring software is Snort, you can get real specific as in setting rules of attacks that you want to monitor and bind them to specific IP addresses, etc. My first experience with seeing how cool Snort was when seeing the specific reports and information it provided when I installed Smoothwall Firewall at a friends business.

http://www.snort.org/


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From erikerik at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 09:46:14 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Fri Jan 20 09:48:35 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] monitoring network activity of a Linux box
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0601200924470.13530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0601200924470.13530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601200746g2a35cc59p5e0085d80da58eb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/20/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller@taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> A friend has a Linux machine with many users.  Suppose one or more users
> is doing inappropriate things with the box like sending ping floods or
> scanning networks.  He would want to know about it.  Is there any software
> that is designed specifically to monitor for this kind of stuff and report
> when it sees something unusual?  A program like netstat can detect all
> sorts of network activity, but it would have to be called at intervals and
> its output would have to be parsed and analyzed by some other programs.

First off - a little rant.  If your friend can't trust his shell
users, they have no right to be on that box.  If he has *any* question
whatsoever about their usage of the box, they should either be denied
shell access until the details get sorted out or use a very limited
shell.  He could possibly think about using PKI auth with a limited
command set.  There are countless guides on the internet on this
subject.

I haven't had specific experience with Intrusion Detection Systems,
but it seems like this would be the perfect application for one. 
Snort comes to mind.  They're specifically designed to scan for and
detect this sort of behavior, though I don't think they have the
ability to be able to tell which user kicked off a portscan/ping
flood/whatever.

-Erik

From jsievert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:35:14 2006
From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert)
Date: Fri Jan 20 10:36:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and Mac OS 10.4
Message-ID: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all.  I got kind of an odd problem.  I have a bunch of OS X boxes that
the finder is locking up when connecting to a samba share.  10.3 and older
do not have this issue, I am only seeing this on 10.4.  The 10.4 boxes can
connect to a windows share just fine and windows can connect to the samba
box just fine.  Has anybody seen anything like this?
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 20 10:47:56 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri Jan 20 10:48:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and Mac OS 10.4
In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201047100.17897@Rooster>

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Jason Sievert wrote:

> Has anybody seen anything like this?

All I can tell you is that my 10.4 box has no problem connecting to my 
samba shares.


-Yaron

--

From jsievert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 11:10:10 2006
From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert)
Date: Fri Jan 20 11:10:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and Mac OS 10.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201047100.17897@Rooster>
References: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201047100.17897@Rooster>
Message-ID: <6cfb19470601200910r368547fbibe1f300f30d6c617@mail.gmail.com>

What version of samba and do your shares allow guest access.

I am running version 3.0.14a on one of my servers.

Thanks,
Jason

On 1/20/06, Yaron <tclug@freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Jason Sievert wrote:
>
> > Has anybody seen anything like this?
>
> All I can tell you is that my 10.4 box has no problem connecting to my
> samba shares.
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 11:25:56 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Fri Jan 20 11:28:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a news ticker
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70601200925v56d89c72k7bfcfdc5407d71a3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a somewhat customizable news ticker program for X. 
Not an applet for KDE or Gnome as I'm just running a basic X session
and trying to arrange a video, a pretty clock and a news ticker into
one window.  I've tried TT-News which is so close to what I need but
unfortunately when it updates it flashes white on the screen.  I can
putz around with this one for a while longer but if anybody knows of
another good news ticker for X, please, let me know.

--
Donovan Niesen

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 20 11:36:06 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri Jan 20 11:36:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and Mac OS 10.4
In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470601200910r368547fbibe1f300f30d6c617@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201047100.17897@Rooster>
	<6cfb19470601200910r368547fbibe1f300f30d6c617@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201135020.17897@Rooster>

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Jason Sievert wrote:

> What version of samba and do your shares allow guest access.

Looks like they're all 3.0.21a.


-Yaron

--

From jsievert at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 14:44:52 2006
From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert)
Date: Fri Jan 20 14:46:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and Mac OS 10.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201135020.17897@Rooster>
References: <6cfb19470601200835g7041f24ctee7b18dfa2f36d37@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201047100.17897@Rooster>
	<6cfb19470601200910r368547fbibe1f300f30d6c617@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0601201135020.17897@Rooster>
Message-ID: <6cfb19470601201244s7b0f38eu987086a387b236cb@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, just upgraded and 3.0.20 does not have the problem with OS X.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

On 1/20/06, Yaron <tclug@freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Jason Sievert wrote:
>
> > What version of samba and do your shares allow guest access.
>
> Looks like they're all 3.0.21a.
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 16:38:16 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri Jan 20 16:40:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Kernel Panic
In-Reply-To: <002a01c61dc7$b4c67440$0400a8c0@arda.com>
References: <AcYdx7R3w5sJ6kUtQRytEjc64LBSqA==>
	<002a01c61dc7$b4c67440$0400a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30601201438m7516b8cdn2daf1f4667998943@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/20/06, John Sanborn <jsanborn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Installing Fedora 3 on some generic box with a PIII 600MHz processor and I
just get:
> <0>Kernel panic ? not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
>
>
It could be a hardware issue or a software issue.  We need more info.

What stage of the installation are you in when this happens?  I.e. booting
to the CD, middle of install, after install on first boot, etc.
Are you stuck with FC3? Could you try FC4, Ubuntu, or others?
What is the rest of the hardware?  The processor rarely has anything to do
with these issues. Most often I see this kind of error when your boot image
doesn't have the module for your hard disk controller. I've also had similar
problems on machines with bad RAM while trying to load the install CD's
image into memory.

Anyway, give us some more info and maybe we can help.

-Eric
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 08:49:31 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sat Jan 21 08:58:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Any good examples of ar?
Message-ID: <20060121144931.42293.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can someone give me a good real-world scenario/example
using ar (arcive) to build library archives? In
exchange I'll tell you who did the original theme song
for "Newton's Apple" and where you can get the full
7:50min version. ;-)

Olwe

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From asim at cognizo.com  Sat Jan 21 09:59:44 2006
From: asim at cognizo.com (Asim Baig)
Date: Sat Jan 21 10:00:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] New open source project needs volunteers
Message-ID: <43D25A70.9090108@cognizo.com>

CATS is a new open source project that I have been working on since 
summer. I run an IT staffing shop in Minnetonka and needed an affordable 
system to manage my business. Couldn't find a decent commercial solution 
or an open source alternative, so I decided to write one.....:-)

CATS is an Applicant Tracking System (ATS) primarily used by recruiters 
and HR professionals to manage candidates/gigs etc. Its built on LAMP 
platform ( I must admit though that all development is in Linux, but we 
have hosted it on a FreeBSD box....don't ask, one of my developers is a 
big freebsd fan). Anyways, we are looking for volunteers for the project.

Our current challenges are:

- Mysql replication and high availability issues. (Advice on moving up 
to Mysql 5....any benefits on using stored procs?)
- PHP coding (have a growing list of features)
- Advanced Bash scripting
- Graphic Designer (nice to have dhtml./css wizardry and a bit of AJAX 
wont hurt either)


Because it is the first ever open source ATS system out there, we have 
received great response from recruiters from all over since announcing 
it on Jan 10. The project is not ready for prime time yet and we need 
help (its really a 3 legged 1 eyed dog at this point)

If anyone is interested in joining our project, please send me an email 
at asim@catsone.com and tell us how you can help us. The project is 
hosted online so you can check it out at  http://www.catsone.com (Demo 
available)


Regards,

-- 
Asim Baig
CATS Dev Team Lead
asim@catsone.com
952-417-0067

From tmarble at info9.net  Sat Jan 21 10:27:27 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Sat Jan 21 10:28:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Any good examples of ar?
In-Reply-To: <20060121144931.42293.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060121144931.42293.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43D260EF.9090902@info9.net>

Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Can someone give me a good real-world scenario/example
> using ar (arcive) to build library archives? 

Clearly the most apropos answer to this is to use
the example of Debian [1] packages (.deb's) which are
created using ar [2].

HTH,

--Tom

[1] http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
    Half of the top 10 distros are Debian (or derivatives):
    Ubuntu, Debian, Knoppix, Mepis, Xandros.

[2] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/116

From sulrich at botwerks.org  Sat Jan 21 12:48:06 2006
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Sat Jan 21 12:48:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Nitty-gritty stuff
In-Reply-To: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060119231002.3037.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <467FF0AE-20D5-4A31-9FC5-2112D6EBB549@botwerks.org>

a couple of years ago i took a freebsd kernel internals course put on  
by kirk mckusick and i have to say it was the best discussion of  
kernel internals that i've ever seen.  i still have the course  
material if you'd like to peruse it to get an idea of what was in  
that course.

i've been very  impressed with the quality of the daemon book when  
there was something that i wanted to dig into i've usually been able  
to suss it out between the source and the daemon book.


On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Two questions:
> 1) What does it mean when Linux says on shutdown "unmounting pipe  
> file system"?
>
> 2) I found a neat book "Code Reading, The Open Source Perspective"  
> by Diomidis Spinellis which does a lot to explain the real-world  
> details of software development. Is there a similar book that would  
> tell me such fun facts as my first question about "pipe file system"?
>
> I'm starting compsci grad school and I'm supposed to help an  
> instructor put together a new operating system class. I'd like to  
> find materials that really goes into the nitty-gritty of a Linux or  
> BSD box. Before, they used Tannenbaum or Silberschatz which is fine  
> for the theoretical level, but not on-the-ground real world Linux  
> or BSD. For example, what would be a good real world Unix app to  
> grab the source code for and snoop/hack around? Any ideas?
>
> Olwe
>
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From sulrich at botwerks.org  Sat Jan 21 13:02:22 2006
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Sat Jan 21 13:02:30 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] multicast testing
In-Reply-To: <D0A69516-7431-4D18-AEAE-20C164BB0E32@signal15.com>
References: <D0A69516-7431-4D18-AEAE-20C164BB0E32@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <7D195C0B-4C94-4496-8817-6D23676801C8@botwerks.org>

jay -

while i can't speak to the packages containing sender/receiver.  i  
have done a fair amount of multicast network testing.  is there  
something specific that you're looking for?

if you're playing w/VLC i surmise you're doing video testing and VLC  
will let you act as a server(source) as well as a receiver.  it's  
been a while since i've used it, but the darwin streaming server from  
apple and the associated quicktime clients will support SDP and  
multicast source streaming.


On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Jay Austad wrote:

> Anyone know the name of a package that includes the programs  
> "sender" and "receiver"?  It's for testing multicast and I need a  
> way to do some testing.
>
> Otherwise, does anyone have any suggestions for testing it?  I've  
> got VLC, so that's always an option, but I've been having issues  
> with it.
>
> ~jay
>
>
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 20:51:19 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sat Jan 21 20:52:31 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Symbol Tables
Message-ID: <20060122025119.30730.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When they talk about symbol tables in a book about
compilers are these the same symbol tables you see
when you run nm on an object file or executable? Is
there a connection?

Olwe

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From bhurt at spnz.org  Sat Jan 21 21:16:21 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Sat Jan 21 21:06:31 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] Symbol Tables
In-Reply-To: <20060122025119.30730.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060122025119.30730.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601212112470.16591@localhost.localdomain>



On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> When they talk about symbol tables in a book about
> compilers are these the same symbol tables you see
> when you run nm on an object file or executable? Is
> there a connection?

Generally, the symbol tables inside a compiler contain a lot more symbols- 
and more information about those symbols- than the symbol tables left 
inside an object file and reported by nm or objdump or similiar.  For 
example, you had C code like:

void foo (int x, int y) {
     int z;
     ...
}

The compiler's symbol table will include foo, x, y, and z, as well as the 
types (foo is a function that takes two ints and returns void, x, y, and 
z are all ints, etc).  But the only symbol table that will be in the 
object file is foo, and the only information about it will be it's 
location within the object file.  Basically, only that information needed 
by the linker is left in the object file.

Brian


From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 23 09:18:39 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 23 09:20:33 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
Message-ID: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>


I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
driver to look for?

Raymond

From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 09:28:57 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Mon Jan 23 09:36:32 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70601230728o5104f008h48a3403f785046a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, Raymond Norton <admin@lctn.org> wrote:
>
> I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
> shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
> it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
> Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
> driver to look for?
>
> Raymond
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Check lspci and look for the "Ethernet controller" line.  That shold
at least give you a better description of it.

--
Donovan Niesen

From bhurt at spnz.org  Mon Jan 23 09:52:01 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Mon Jan 23 09:42:32 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601230945500.5148@localhost.localdomain>



On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:

>
> I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
> shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
> it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
> Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
> driver to look for?

A couple of places to look.  The first thing I'd try is running the 
command lspci, which gives you a list of all pci devices in your system. 
Another thing to try would be lsmod (giving you a list of loaded modules 
in your system, including loaded device drivers).  But you'll probably 
have better luck with lspci.

Brian


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon Jan 23 09:41:11 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon Jan 23 09:42:37 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1138030871.13209.252513105@webmail.messagingengine.com>

First you can try an lsmod to list the kernel modules currently loaded.
If Knoppix uses a monolithic kernel structure then this may not work.
If you have an integrated nic and Knoppix has the command, run lspci to
list the devices connected to the pci bus of your system. Also, try
surfing the /proc/bus directory if you have it and you may find the
device listed in a file in there.


----- Original message -----
From: "Raymond Norton" <admin@lctn.org>
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:18:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info


I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
driver to look for?

Raymond

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From john.meier at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 09:45:27 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Mon Jan 23 09:52:13 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0601230745o4f8cb149t39a1ebba77ede206@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, Raymond Norton <admin@lctn.org> wrote:
>
>
> I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
> shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
> it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
> Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
> driver to look for?



lspci and lsmod should give you the hardware listing (assuming built in NIC)
and a listing of drivers.

on my dell lspci gives this for the NIC:
0000:08:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro
100] (rev 08)

which  uses the "e100" drvier which lsmod reports.




Raymond
>
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Jan 23 11:30:49 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon Jan 23 11:33:29 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20060123173049.GA27498@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 09:18:39AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> 
> I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
> shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
> it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
> Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
> driver to look for?

Dell is actually pretty good about putting information on its support
web site.  Go to http://support.dell.com and enter your service tag.
You can then view the detailed information on what the system originally
shipped with and also gives you some tools to generate the current
configuration.  Given the service tag number, you can also download the
drivers for it.  I don't believe that the system needs to be under any
sort of warranty for this.

If you don't know the service tag, you can get this from Knoppix if you
install something like lshw which reports this as the serial number.

        .../Ed

-- 
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 11:44:27 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Mon Jan 23 11:44:36 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <20060123173049.GA27498@www.ewilts.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060123173049.GA27498@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0601230944t374a2ea2j8a17ef80e26a9f21@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 09:18:39AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote:
> >
> > I have a used Dell laptop that must have been modified after it was
> > shipped because I cannot find the proper windows driver for it. I booted
> > it with Knoppix, which finds and brings up the nic. Where can I look in
> > Knoppix to see what driver it used, so I can get a clue what windows
> > driver to look for?
>
> Dell is actually pretty good about putting information on its support
> web site.  Go to http://support.dell.com and enter your service tag.
> You can then view the detailed information on what the system originally
> shipped with and also gives you some tools to generate the current
> configuration.  Given the service tag number, you can also download the
> drivers for it.  I don't believe that the system needs to be under any
> sort of warranty for this.
>
> If you don't know the service tag, you can get this from Knoppix if you
> install something like lshw which reports this as the serial number.



Service tag is also in the BIOS.



        .../Ed
>
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 23 11:49:53 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon Jan 23 11:50:37 2006
Subject: [tclug-list] locating driver info
In-Reply-To: <20060123173049.GA27498@www.ewilts.org>
References: <35195.64.8.149.194.1138029519.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20060123173049.GA27498@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <60850.64.8.149.194.1138038593.squirrel@lctn.org>

> Given the service tag number, you can also download the
> drivers for it.  I don't believe that the system needs to be under any
> sort of warranty for this.
>
> If you don't know the service tag, you can get this from Knoppix if you
> install something like lshw which reports this as the serial number.



That is where I started, using the service tag to identify proper
hardware. None of the drivers offered worked, but I may have just found it
via a forum.

From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 24 14:18:58 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:18:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
Message-ID: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I use pipes at the command line in a shell

>ls | grep myfile

is the underlying c code in ls and grep using named
pipes, fifo, or something much more mysterious?

Olwe

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 14:38:48 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:38:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0601241238k5a512b38p13329398273a3fb6@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/24/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> If I use pipes at the command line in a shell
>
> >ls | grep myfile
>
> is the underlying c code in ls and grep using named
> pipes, fifo, or something much more mysterious?

I don't believe it's that complex at all. Please correct me if I'm
wrong, but in the shell, I believe that the | operator just takes
STDOUT one program and redirects it to STDIN of the other.


From nate at refried.org  Tue Jan 24 14:57:57 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:57:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060124205757.GA15567@refried.org>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:18:58PM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> If I use pipes at the command line in a shell
> 
> >ls | grep myfile
> 
> is the underlying c code in ls and grep using named
> pipes, fifo, or something much more mysterious?

fifo, i.e. an un-named pipe.  If you run it with strace like so:

strace -f /bin/sh -c 'ls | grep myfile' 2>&1 | less

you should see that the shell calls pipe() and dups it to stdin and
stdout before starting ls and grep.

Nate


From mburns+ml at clonetank.org  Tue Jan 24 15:29:23 2006
From: mburns+ml at clonetank.org (Michael Burns)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:29:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <20060124205757.GA15567@refried.org>
References: <20060124201858.82567.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20060124205757.GA15567@refried.org>
Message-ID: <20060124212923.GA40500@monster.minifac.net>

ON Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 02:57:57PM -0600, Nate Straz wrote: 
> 
> fifo, i.e. an un-named pipe.  If you run it with strace like so:
> 
> strace -f /bin/sh -c 'ls | grep myfile' 2>&1 | less
> 
> you should see that the shell calls pipe() and dups it to stdin and
> stdout before starting ls and grep.

Correction: a FIFO is a *named* pipe, produced by mkfifo() compared to pipe().

-- 
Michael


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Tue Jan 24 15:32:44 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:32:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
Message-ID: <15007.163.231.6.87.1138138364.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

(whoops, didn't copy list)

On Tue, January 24, 2006 2:38 pm, Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 1/24/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If I use pipes at the command line in a shell
>>
>> >ls | grep myfile
>>
>> is the underlying c code in ls and grep using named
>> pipes, fifo, or something much more mysterious?
>
> I don't believe it's that complex at all. Please correct me if I'm
wrong, but in the shell, I believe that the | operator just takes STDOUT
one program and redirects it to STDIN of the other.

The shell does it, (|) by launching the commands with shared pipes (man
pipe), or (0< / 1> / 2>) passing a file descriptor as
[0]stdout/[1]stdin/[2]stderr.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net



-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From bhurt at spnz.org  Tue Jan 24 16:11:18 2006
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:11:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <15007.163.231.6.87.1138138364.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
References: <15007.163.231.6.87.1138138364.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601241608480.5148@localhost.localdomain>


If you want to know the nitty gritty details of how to do this, I 
recommend "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment" by W. Richard 
Stevens.  Or the "Unix Network Programming" series by the same guy.

Brian



From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 24 17:27:49 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:27:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <20060124205757.GA15567@refried.org>
Message-ID: <20060124232749.62421.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks a lot, Nate. I'll just have to familiarize
myself with what strace is doing. Somehow the shell
looks like it's doing a little bit more than your
typical Unix Programming pipes demo program. Or is
strace always so "thorough."

Olwe

--- Nate Straz <nate at refried.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:18:58PM -0800, Olwe
> Bottorff wrote:
> > If I use pipes at the command line in a shell
> > 
> > >ls | grep myfile
> > 
> > is the underlying c code in ls and grep using
> named
> > pipes, fifo, or something much more mysterious?
> 
> fifo, i.e. an un-named pipe.  If you run it with
> strace like so:
> 
> strace -f /bin/sh -c 'ls | grep myfile' 2>&1 | less
> 
> you should see that the shell calls pipe() and dups
> it to stdin and
> stdout before starting ls and grep.
> 
> Nate
> 
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From nate at refried.org  Tue Jan 24 17:42:26 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:42:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <20060124232749.62421.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060124205757.GA15567@refried.org>
	<20060124232749.62421.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060124234226.GA18226@refried.org>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:27:49PM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Thanks a lot, Nate. I'll just have to familiarize
> myself with what strace is doing. Somehow the shell
> looks like it's doing a little bit more than your
> typical Unix Programming pipes demo program. Or is
> strace always so "thorough."

strace is very thorough.  It prints out every system call a program
makes.  You can quiet it down with the -e options.  Check out the man
page for details.

Nate


From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Wed Jan 25 09:44:55 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:44:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbi queston about Pipes
In-Reply-To: <15007.163.231.6.87.1138138364.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
References: <15007.163.231.6.87.1138138364.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <20060125154455.GA2998@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:32:44PM -0600, David Carlson wrote:
> (whoops, didn't copy list)
> 
> The shell does it, (|) by launching the commands with shared pipes (man
> pipe), or (0< / 1> / 2>) passing a file descriptor as
> [0]stdout/[1]stdin/[2]stderr.
> 

Woot, just covered this in CSci 4061--example pipe code available at:

  http://vip.cs.utsa.edu/usp/programs/chapter06/parentwritepipe.c

et seq.

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From markmit at mn.rr.com  Wed Jan 25 16:12:39 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (markmit@mn.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] small network mail setup.
Message-ID: <a395e8a3a454.a3a454a395e8@rdc-kc.rr.com>

I'm fairly experienced with desktop linux, but not so much with mail
service.

My network consists of;
HW firewall/router/wireless access point
vlad - Debian stable - headless samba server / misc workhorse
aptiva - Debian testing - desktop
thinkpad - Debian testing - laptop
sethra - Win ME - Wife/kids email/games

What I want is to be able to do all my email stuff on vlad.  Either via
ssh remotely or local network via CLI, or from aptiva or thinkpad from
the local network.  And spam filtering, hopefully.  For now, this only
has to support my account, perhaps my wife's someday, so no more than a
couple hundred messages a day.

In my fumblings, I've gotten fetchmail on vlad to retrieve mail from my
pop server, and sent mail (mostly) successfully with exim, so the CLI
part of this is basically sorted.  What do I use to allow aptiva and
thinkpad to see/manipulate the email on vlad via (for example) kmail?

Google pointers anyone?

Thanks,
Mark Mitchell


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Wed Jan 25 16:26:12 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:26:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] small network mail setup.
In-Reply-To: <a395e8a3a454.a3a454a395e8@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <a395e8a3a454.a3a454a395e8@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060125222612.GB6431@www.ewilts.org>

On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 04:12:39PM -0600, markmit at mn.rr.com wrote:
> I'm fairly experienced with desktop linux, but not so much with mail
> service.
> 
> My network consists of;
> HW firewall/router/wireless access point
> vlad - Debian stable - headless samba server / misc workhorse
> aptiva - Debian testing - desktop
> thinkpad - Debian testing - laptop
> sethra - Win ME - Wife/kids email/games
> 
> What I want is to be able to do all my email stuff on vlad.  Either via
> ssh remotely or local network via CLI, or from aptiva or thinkpad from
> the local network.  And spam filtering, hopefully.  For now, this only
> has to support my account, perhaps my wife's someday, so no more than a
> couple hundred messages a day.
> 
> In my fumblings, I've gotten fetchmail on vlad to retrieve mail from my
> pop server, and sent mail (mostly) successfully with exim, so the CLI
> part of this is basically sorted.  What do I use to allow aptiva and
> thinkpad to see/manipulate the email on vlad via (for example) kmail?

You simply need a POP3 or IMAP server.  I've wu-imapd in the past and
currently use dovecot.  http://dovecot.procontrol.fi/
Works like a charm and is fairly simple to set up.  I'm not a debian guy
so I don't know what it takes to get it installed but according to the
dovecot download page, it's as simple as apt-get install dovecot

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Wed Jan 25 16:28:24 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:28:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] small network mail setup.
Message-ID: <8520.163.231.6.68.1138228104.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>


On Wed, January 25, 2006 4:12 pm, markmit at mn.rr.com wrote:
> In my fumblings, I've gotten fetchmail on vlad to retrieve mail from my
> pop server, and sent mail (mostly) successfully with exim, so the CLI
> part of this is basically sorted.  What do I use to allow aptiva and
> thinkpad to see/manipulate the email on vlad via (for example) kmail?

Run an IMAP server (cyrus, dovecot) on vlad.  If you're not prepared for
some 'friendly' visitors, make sure it only listens on the local net.  If
you've got some time to burn, think about enabling IMAPS.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From iipreca at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:29:53 2006
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:29:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
Message-ID: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>

I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my satellite 
modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I 
would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the modem 
and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to put 
it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep the 
Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities in it 
already.
   Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I have 
RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX versions 
out there, any input is appreciated.

Jesse




From sfertch at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 21:02:49 2006
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:02:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0601251902l70d8d22avd03419f4c2b26d65@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/06, G J <iipreca at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my satellite
> modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I
> would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the
> modem
> and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to put
> it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep
> the
> Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities in
> it
> already.
>    Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I
> have
> RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX versions
> out there, any input is appreciated.
>


If that is your switch for your various computers, put the firewall between
it and your modem.

2 NIC's inside your computer for red/green networks will be sufficient.

I use Smoothwall currently, and have used IPCop.  Both are good products.


Out of curiosity, why the desire to put a hardware firewall in?  IIRC, there
is a Linux based prject out for that device.


--
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 21:13:30 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
Message-ID: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've noticed how something on my Fedora3 seems to be
thrashing the hard drive(s) very hard and long--just
like a Windows box being rifled through by a virus
checker or a find started at /. What could it be? How
could I find out what's doing all the disk accessing?
If it was the NSA they'd have a flashing icon in the
desktop tray, right?

Olwe

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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From iipreca at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 25 21:23:59 2006
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:23:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0601251902l70d8d22avd03419f4c2b26d65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-F23BCD63978162107A6D4CBAA150@phx.gbl>


I want to put the hardware firewall in becuase I want to enable file and 
print sharing within the network. And I want my computers in the network of 
course to be as non existant as possible




>On 1/25/06, G J <iipreca at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my 
>satellite
> > modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I
> > would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the
> > modem
> > and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to 
>put
> > it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep
> > the
> > Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities 
>in
> > it
> > already.
> >    Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I
> > have
> > RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX 
>versions
> > out there, any input is appreciated.
> >
>
>
>If that is your switch for your various computers, put the firewall between
>it and your modem.
>
>2 NIC's inside your computer for red/green networks will be sufficient.
>
>I use Smoothwall currently, and have used IPCop.  Both are good products.
>
>
>Out of curiosity, why the desire to put a hardware firewall in?  IIRC, 
>there
>is a Linux based prject out for that device.
>
>
>--
>-Shawn
>
>-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..




From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 22:22:21 2006
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:22:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
In-Reply-To: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570601252022u5b7a104bl1d9447479e84c108@mail.gmail.com>

Could be that your computer is swapping things to disk like crazy.  I
had this problem when my swap partition was too small.  just a
thought.

On 1/25/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've noticed how something on my Fedora3 seems to be
> thrashing the hard drive(s) very hard and long--just
> like a Windows box being rifled through by a virus
> checker or a find started at /. What could it be? How
> could I find out what's doing all the disk accessing?
> If it was the NSA they'd have a flashing icon in the
> desktop tray, right?
>
> Olwe
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 23:23:30 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:23:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
In-Reply-To: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6371f9f0601252123p3729216exa3fd82e176a7f1e6@mail.gmail.com>

It could be the cron job for updating the locate db or some other type of
search system. Is the thrashing going on at the same time everyday?

On 1/25/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've noticed how something on my Fedora3 seems to be
> thrashing the hard drive(s) very hard and long--just
> like a Windows box being rifled through by a virus
> checker or a find started at /. What could it be? How
> could I find out what's doing all the disk accessing?
> If it was the NSA they'd have a flashing icon in the
> desktop tray, right?
>
> Olwe
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 23:29:36 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:29:36 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
In-Reply-To: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0601252129v2d2e3c82jb66b796c59273cc2@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/26/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've noticed how something on my Fedora3 seems to be
> thrashing the hard drive(s) very hard and long--just
> like a Windows box being rifled through by a virus
> checker or a find started at /. What could it be?




slocate cron job running?

check /etc/cron.daily for slocate.cron.  Then  see if the times in the
/etc/crontab for the daily jobs match up with the times that your HD start
thrashing ....
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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Wed Jan 25 23:40:07 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:40:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
Message-ID: <20060126054007441631903e@mail.smumn.edu>


On Wednesday, January 25, 2006  9:23 PM, G J wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:23:59 -0600
>From: G J
>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
>
>I want to put the hardware firewall in because I want to enable file and
>print sharing within the network. And I want my computers in the network of
>course to be as non existant as possible
>
>
>
>
>>On 1/25/06, G J <iipreca at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my
>>satellite
>> > modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 Mhz that I
>> > would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the
>> > modem
>> > and the Linksys on the "Internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to
>>put
>> > it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep
>> > the
>> > Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities
>>in
>> > it
>> > already.
>> >    Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I
>> > have
>> > RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX
>>versions
>> > out there, any input is appreciated.
>> >
>>
>>
>>If that is your switch for your various computers, put the firewall between
>>it and your modem.
>>
>>2 Nic's's inside your computer for red/green networks will be sufficient.
>>
>>I use Smoothwall currently, and have used Ipcop.  Both are good products.
>>
>>
>>Out of curiosity, why the desire to put a hardware firewall in?  IIRC,
>>there
>>is a Linux based prject out for that device.
>>
>>
>>--
>>-Shawn
>>
>>-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
>
>
Hello, I hope to not be re-iterating on whats already been said. But, like Shawn mentioned Smoothwall is a very good Opensource (free) Linux firewall as well as very straight forward. I believe the latest version is called Grizzly, just remember that the most common version of Smoothwall is version 2.0 just in case you will need to patch it (as there is about 6 or more critical updates to the firewall v2.0). Now, I have short-short-term memory but if I recall one of the not so recent hacker magazines had an article on hacking the WRT54G and placing Linux on it. I believe the available software ranges from command line to a very detailed GUI. If I had the 40-60 bucks to buy one I would definitely look into it. A google search brought up SWUG with a very detailed HOW-TO (interesting as well). By the way, you want to place your Smoothwall firewall before your Linksys (if needed at all).

Dave




"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Jan 26 06:43:48 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:43:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200601260643.AA43480041@sbn-services.com>

Here are 3 projects that I have become familiar that really stood out compared with all the others.

m0n0wall
http://m0n0.ch/wall/
I use m0n0wall at home for a VPN to my office. I am dependend on this VPN for VOIP as well. Since Septemember I have not had one single
issue. M0n0wall runs off of a CD, using a floppy to read the config about boot, although there is method to install on to a hard drive.

pfSense
http://www.pfsense.com/
Pfsense is a branch of m0n0wall that installs directly onto a hard drive. More importantly it allows the option of installing
additional packages. Another thing is pfsense is fairly simple to install. 

Endian
http://www.efw.it/
Endian is has a few nice features such as IDS. I had issues with the VPN capabilities that had more to do with the other endpoints
device. But other than that it has worked very well for me. 

Ideally you will want to put the firewall right after the modem. The linksys is placed after, keep in mind at this point you can just
set up the wireless as an access point and not a router. This would be advantageous in the long term if problems arise. Also, if you
planned on opening up any services such as a webserver you may experience at first some difficulty setting up the pass through
(depending on your familiarity of setting up services to the internet). 

This is how I would recomend you have things set up

1.) Modem> PII 350 pc w/ 2 network interface cards (1 connected to the modem, 1 to the Linksys). 
2.) Configure the Linksys to act as an access point and not a router. At this point the Linksys just becomes another device on the
network and creates one less dependency for internet access for non wireless devices.
3.) Be sure to configure the PC firewall to act as the DHCP/DNS provider. 
4.) If you choose Endian or IPCop, check out snort.org for the IDS features. 


Also, be sure to check and harden your wifi settings. For the Linksys, you should have WPA-PSK available, if not at the very least try
to use the highest security available compatible with your the wifi cards in the computers. If for some reason the wifi utility does
not have higher security settings be sure to check the MFR's website for updates. 

WPA-PSK Key Generator
http://www.kurtm.net/wpa-pskgen/
https://www.grc.com/passwords

Sean Waite


-----Original Message-----
From: "G J" <iipreca at hotmail.com>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:29:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)

> I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my satellite 
> modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I 
> would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the modem 
> and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to put 
> it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep the 
> Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities in it 
> already.
>    Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I have 
> RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX versions 
> out there, any input is appreciated.
> 
> Jesse
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list






From rfbob at cyguin.net  Thu Jan 26 09:40:35 2006
From: rfbob at cyguin.net (Mark)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:40:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43D8ED73.3030206@cyguin.net>

G J wrote:
> I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my satellite 
> modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I 
> would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the modem 
> and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to put 
> it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep the 
> Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities in it 
> already.

You could put it anywhere you want.  Just remember, the linksys is a NAT
device / router and not a firewall.  That said it serves the same
function and would make putting them both inline before you network is a
bit paranoid and redundant.  It all really depends what you want to be
doing what.  If you just want a file server then it can be a peer to
your other boxes behind the linksys.  If you want to be clever, put it
behind the linksys and use it as the DMZ (too bad you can't put it on
it's own subnet without modding the linksys). You need to ask just what
you are trying to accomplish with a setup like that.

>    Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I have 
> RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX versions 
> out there, any input is appreciated.
> 
> Jesse
> 

SELINUX plugs into just about any distro.  All those linux firewall
packages are just front ends to IPTABLES.  I'd say learn IPTABLES first,
 then get lazy/clever and worry about a front end.  The Webmin front end
is a small step up from the command line.  Use whatever distro you are
comfortable with, or Debian. It is quick enough to pick up once you get
through the initial install. With a bonus of those people being rather
paranoid.

I guess this is where I go W00T! first post111! or something. So hiya
peoples, nice list.
Mark


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Thu Jan 26 09:51:51 2006
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14))
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:51:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian apt-get dependencies - Please Help
Message-ID: <F2EA1CCE6CA2B54285B94C3135AF9EA901883651@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>

I noticed some packages were being "held back"  when running

 

# apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

 

Google suggested I use

 

# apt-get dist-upgrade

 

But that resulted in un-met dependencies.   Apt-get suggested

 

#apt-get -f install

 

But that yields the errors below (gnome-related).  I admin this box
remotely using the command line, so I don't need anything related to
X11.  Is there an easy way to remove all X related packages?  Would that
provide a solution?  I really just want to get apache reinstalled.

 

 

craiggae:~# apt-get -f install

Reading Package Lists... Done

Building Dependency Tree... Done

Correcting dependencies... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:

  desktop-base desktop-file-utils docbook-dsssl docbook-xml fontconfig

  gnome-desktop-data gnome-doc-tools gnome-icon-theme gstreamer0.8-oss

  hicolor-icon-theme libapm1 libart-2.0-2 libaspell15 libatk1.0-0
libbonobo2-0

  libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libcroco3 libcupsys2-gnutls10
libdb4.1

  libeel2-data libexif10 libfam0c102 libfontconfig1 libgcrypt11
libglib2.0-0

  libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-data

  libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomeui-common libgnutls11 libgpg-error0

  libgsf-1 libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0 libgstreamer0.8-0
libgtksourceview-common

  libgtop2-2 libidl0 libkrb53 libldap2 liblzo1 libopencdk8 liborbit2
libosp4

  libostyle1 libpng12-0 libsasl2 libscrollkeeper0 libsmbclient

  libstartup-notification0 libtasn1-2 libtiff4 libvte-common
libwnck-common

  libxklavier8 libxslt1.1 nautilus-data openjade powermgmt-base
scrollkeeper

  sgml-base sgml-data shared-mime-info ucf xml-core

The following packages will be REMOVED:

  gnome-core gnome-session

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  desktop-base desktop-file-utils docbook-dsssl docbook-xml fontconfig

  gnome-desktop-data gnome-doc-tools gnome-icon-theme gstreamer0.8-oss

  hicolor-icon-theme libapm1 libart-2.0-2 libaspell15 libatk1.0-0
libbonobo2-0

  libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libcroco3 libcupsys2-gnutls10
libdb4.1

  libeel2-data libexif10 libfam0c102 libfontconfig1 libgcrypt11
libglib2.0-0

  libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-data

  libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomeui-common libgnutls11 libgpg-error0

  libgsf-1 libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0 libgstreamer0.8-0
libgtksourceview-common

  libgtop2-2 libidl0 libkrb53 liblzo1 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libosp4
libostyle1

  libpng12-0 libsasl2 libsmbclient libstartup-notification0 libtasn1-2

  libtiff4 libvte-common libwnck-common libxklavier8 libxslt1.1
nautilus-data

  openjade powermgmt-base scrollkeeper sgml-base sgml-data
shared-mime-info

  ucf xml-core

2 packages upgraded, 64 newly installed, 2 to remove and 136  not
upgraded.

17 packages not fully installed or removed.

Need to get 0B/21.6MB of archives. After unpacking 74.5MB will be used.

Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y

Preconfiguring packages ...

(Reading database ... 37825 files and directories currently installed.)

Removing gnome-session ...

update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install

 

Debian update-alternatives 1.10.28.

Copyright (C) 1995 Ian Jackson.

Copyright (C) 2000-2002 Wichert Akkerman

This is free software; see the GNU General Public Licence

version 2 or later for copying conditions.  There is NO warranty.

 

Usage: update-alternatives --install <link> <name> <path> <priority>

                          [--slave <link> <name> <path>] ...

       update-alternatives --remove <name> <path>

       update-alternatives --remove-all <name>

       update-alternatives --auto <name>

       update-alternatives --display <name>

       update-alternatives --list <name>

       update-alternatives --config <name>

       update-alternatives --set <name> <path>

       update-alternatives --all

<name> is the name in /etc/alternatives.

<path> is the name referred to.

<link> is the link pointing to /etc/alternatives/<name>.

<priority> is an integer; options with higher numbers are chosen.

 

Options:  --verbose|--quiet  --test  --help  --version

          --altdir <directory>  --admindir <directory>

dpkg: error processing gnome-session (--remove):

 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2

dpkg: gnome-core: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you
request:

 gnome-session depends on gnome-core (>= 1.4.0.2-3); however:

  Package gnome-core is to be removed.

Removing gnome-core ...

dpkg: error processing gnome-core (--remove):

 subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127

Errors were encountered while processing:

 gnome-session

 gnome-core

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

craiggae:~#

 

 

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From bradyh at bitstream.net  Thu Jan 26 10:07:47 2006
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:07:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian apt-get dependencies - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <F2EA1CCE6CA2B54285B94C3135AF9EA901883651@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywel
	l.com>
References: <F2EA1CCE6CA2B54285B94C3135AF9EA901883651@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <17605.132.189.76.10.1138291667.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com>

Shouldn't be a problem to remove Gnome but you may run into problems
removing X.  There are programs that depend on X for generating graphics
files and the like.  Removing X can be done and there should be
instructions for doing it out on the net but it may require recompiling
some packages with different dependancies.

-Brady

> But that yields the errors below (gnome-related).  I admin this box
> remotely using the command line, so I don't need anything related to
> X11.  Is there an easy way to remove all X related packages?  Would that
> provide a solution?  I really just want to get apache reinstalled.




From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 11:40:07 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:40:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian apt-get dependencies - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <F2EA1CCE6CA2B54285B94C3135AF9EA901883651@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
References: <F2EA1CCE6CA2B54285B94C3135AF9EA901883651@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020601260940s54445a96x256627bdddc8fd2a@mail.gmail.com>

You can safely remove X11 on a Debian system. If there is console
application that is compiled against X libraries, Debian usually has
an alternative that doesn't use X.

If you're ever unsure, use the -s flag. Apt won't make any changes, it
will just output what it would do if you issued the command without
the -s (simulate) flag.

You can pro bally try apt-get remove xserver-common or something along
those lines. Try aptitude for a menu based package management.

--
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu Jan 26 18:56:39 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:56:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firewall questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <43D8ED73.3030206@cyguin.net>
References: <BAY107-F362DEE8D84C2E380F8D3A4AA150@phx.gbl>
	<43D8ED73.3030206@cyguin.net>
Message-ID: <43D96FC7.30403@comcast.net>



Mark wrote:
> G J wrote:
> 
>>I have a Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch coming off of my satellite 
>>modem, which goes into 2-3 machines. I have an older PII 350 MHz that I 
>>would like to turn into a hardware firewall. Can I put it between the modem 
>>and the Linksys on the "internet" side of the Linksys, or do I have to put 
>>it between the Linksys and the rest of my machines? I would like to keep the 
>>Linksys in the loop since it of course has extra firewall capabilities in it 
>>already.
> 
> You could put it anywhere you want.  Just remember, the linksys is a NAT
> device / router and not a firewall.  That said it serves the same
> function and would make putting them both inline before you network is a
> bit paranoid and redundant.  It all really depends what you want to be
> doing what.  If you just want a file server then it can be a peer to
> your other boxes behind the linksys.  If you want to be clever, put it
> behind the linksys and use it as the DMZ (too bad you can't put it on
> it's own subnet without modding the linksys). You need to ask just what
> you are trying to accomplish with a setup like that.
> 
>>   Second question is what do you guys recommend I use as a firewall, I have 
>>RH Fedora Core 4 but it seems there are other "hardened" SELINUX versions 
>>out there, any input is appreciated.
> 
> SELINUX plugs into just about any distro.  All those linux firewall
> packages are just front ends to IPTABLES.  I'd say learn IPTABLES first,
>  then get lazy/clever and worry about a front end.  The Webmin front end
> is a small step up from the command line.  Use whatever distro you are
> comfortable with, or Debian. It is quick enough to pick up once you get
> through the initial install. With a bonus of those people being rather
> paranoid.
> 
I have to disagree with the statement "learn IPTABLES first, then get 
lazy/clever and worry about a front end". I would highly recommend using 
a Smoothwall firewall first, and then while the Smoothwall is protecting 
your home network, you can play with IPTABLES on another machine. The 
last thing you would want to do is make a mistake and open up your 
entire network to the Internet.

My $0.02 on the subject of what to do.....Either #1 or #2 below.
#1 - Create a Smoothwall (use v2.0 with all 8 updates, v3 is still beta) 
with three (3) NICs. GREEN (LAN), RED (Internet), ORANGE (DMZ). And then 
put your Linksys out on the Orange interface as your wireless access 
point. That way if someone were to hack your wireless, all they would 
have access to is your Internet connection. Not necessarily good, but 
better than them having access to your internal network.

#2 - Create a Smoothwall with two (2) NICs, GREEN & RED. Plug the 
Linksys in on the LAN side and turn off DHCP (use the Smoothwall as your 
DHCP server) and basically just turn it into a simple WiFi access point 
and wired switch. If you have WPA encryption turned on with a strong 
password and you are not broadcasting your SSID, there is a very slim 
chance that someone will even bother to try to hack your WiFi (there are 
a lot of unsecured access points out there for them to play with).

You might even consider just using the Linksys as is (or with the 
"aftermarket" Linux upgrade) as your firewall/switch and using the PII 
machine as a "test" or "play" machine. That way you can play with 
different distributions and not have to worry about hosing your primary 
computer.
-- 
Todd Young


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan 26 20:17:22 2006
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:17:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
In-Reply-To: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1138328242.8995.33.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 19:13 -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> I've noticed how something on my Fedora3 seems to be
> thrashing the hard drive(s) very hard and long--just
> like a Windows box being rifled through by a virus
> checker or a find started at /. What could it be? How
> could I find out what's doing all the disk accessing?

Most Linux systems are configured to run 'updatedb' once a day, which
actually does do a find at /.

Sometimes you can run 'top' to find out what program is running, though
many processes don't use much CPU even if they're making many disk
accesses.  However, such programs do have to wait on I/O, and are given
a 'D' flag in the output of 'ps' and 'top'.  So, you could try doing

  ps ax | grep D

to figure out what is slowing things down.  Of course, a number of
programs will probably pop up if you're running Gnome or another desktop
environment, but that'll narrow it down.  You might have to try a few
times.

The other main possibility is that you don't have enough RAM in your
system, and active processes have to swap in/out a lot.  Use 'top' or
some other program to figure out how much memory and swap space is being
used.  A typical system will have a lot of RAM being used for buffers
and cache, so the used % of RAM might seem high.

There might be a few processes using a lot of RAM for no really good
reason (such as a dead web browser plugin or who knows what).  An easy
way to figure out which programs are using a lot of memory is to run
'top' then press 'M' (yes, capital M) to sort by memory usage.
Unfortunately, I've never really figured out how to interpret the
'VIRT', 'RES', and 'SHR' numbers  properly (is xmms using 11 MB or 152
MB? uh..), but it should provide a good pointer.

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From iipreca at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 26 20:21:05 2006
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:21:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list]  firewall questions (newbie)
Message-ID: <BAY107-F26664332AE08DE40DF7406AA140@phx.gbl>

The closest residence is over a quarter mile away, not to mention the road 
is as far as  well, (I live on a farm), so I'm not worried about anyone at 
all hacking my wireless, and as of right now its turned off since I don't 
have any wireless computers. I am probably going to put it between the modem 
and the switch of course, however, do I plug it into the LAN side or the 
internet side of the Linksys?


Jesse







I have to disagree with the statement "learn IPTABLES first, then get
lazy/clever and worry about a front end". I would highly recommend using
a Smoothwall firewall first, and then while the Smoothwall is protecting
your home network, you can play with IPTABLES on another machine. The
last thing you would want to do is make a mistake and open up your
entire network to the Internet.

My $0.02 on the subject of what to do.....Either #1 or #2 below.
#1 - Create a Smoothwall (use v2.0 with all 8 updates, v3 is still beta)
with three (3) NICs. GREEN (LAN), RED (Internet), ORANGE (DMZ). And then
put your Linksys out on the Orange interface as your wireless access
point. That way if someone were to hack your wireless, all they would
have access to is your Internet connection. Not necessarily good, but
better than them having access to your internal network.

#2 - Create a Smoothwall with two (2) NICs, GREEN & RED. Plug the
Linksys in on the LAN side and turn off DHCP (use the Smoothwall as your
DHCP server) and basically just turn it into a simple WiFi access point
and wired switch. If you have WPA encryption turned on with a strong
password and you are not broadcasting your SSID, there is a very slim
chance that someone will even bother to try to hack your WiFi (there are
a lot of unsecured access points out there for them to play with).

You might even consider just using the Linksys as is (or with the
"aftermarket" Linux upgrade) as your firewall/switch and using the PII
machine as a "test" or "play" machine. That way you can play with
different distributions and not have to worry about hosing your primary
computer.
--
Todd Young

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From obelin23 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 08:58:37 2006
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:37 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] slackware 10.1 - changing default screen res
Message-ID: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>

I am running Slackware 10.1. I just got a new monitor, and am trying to
change the default screen res.

I went in and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and put in the new horizontal and
vertical refresh rates, and added the new, "1280x1024" to the Modes line for
each defined Display subsection.

I have restarted the machine, several times by now.

When I pull up KDE Control Center, the maximum screen res is the old
1024x768. Running the command xdpyinfo shows the same.

-----

The following two pieces are from the modified xorg.conf. I changed the
'Modes' line on all the Display subsections.

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device     "Card0"
Monitor    "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     1
Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection


Section "Monitor"
#DisplaySize      320   240    # mm
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Acer"
ModelName    "AL1914b"
Option        "DPMS"
HorizSync 24-80
VertRefresh 49-75
EndSection

---------

I left the rest of xorg.conf the same.

Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

Thanks,

Charlie O
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 09:27:57 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] slackware 10.1 - changing default screen res
In-Reply-To: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0601270727x6b0b70fbi3da496967bb3907c@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/27/06, Charlie O <obelin23 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am running Slackware 10.1. I just got a new monitor, and am trying to
> change the default screen res.
>
> I went in and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and put in the new horizontal and
> vertical refresh rates, and added the new, "1280x1024" to the Modes line for
> each defined Display subsection.
>
> I have restarted the machine, several times by now.
>
> When I pull up KDE Control Center, the maximum screen res is the old
> 1024x768. Running the command xdpyinfo shows the same.
>
> -----
>
> The following two pieces are from the modified xorg.conf. I changed the
> 'Modes' line on all the Display subsections.
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Screen0"
> Device     "Card0"
> Monitor    "Monitor0"
> DefaultDepth 24
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth     1
> Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection




You're default depth is 24 but you put the Modes line under the Depth  1
section.

Copy that mode line and put in under the depth 24 section... see if that
helps.

Section "Monitor"
> #DisplaySize      320   240    # mm
> Identifier   "Monitor0"
> VendorName   "Acer"
> ModelName    "AL1914b"
> Option        "DPMS"
> HorizSync 24-80
> VertRefresh 49-75
> EndSection
>
> ---------
>
> I left the rest of xorg.conf the same.
>
> Can someone tell me what I'm missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie O
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From eric at vangyzen.net  Fri Jan 27 09:40:55 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:40:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] slackware 10.1 - changing default screen res
In-Reply-To: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DA3F07.8060107@vangyzen.net>

Charlie O wrote:
> I am running Slackware 10.1. I just got a new monitor, and am trying to 
> change the default screen res.
> 
> I went in and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and put in the new horizontal 
> and vertical refresh rates, and added the new, "1280x1024" to the Modes 
> line for each defined Display subsection.
> 
> I have restarted the machine, several times by now.
> 
> When I pull up KDE Control Center, the maximum screen res is the old 
> 1024x768. Running the command xdpyinfo shows the same.

The first step in troubleshooting anything is to check the logs.

Look in /var/log for something like Xorg.0.log.  In that file, look for 
lines like:

     Not using default mode "1280x1024" (_reason_)

where _reason_ is something like "hsync out of range", "insufficient 
memory for mode", or "it smells funny".

The few lines before and after those might also be helpful.

Asynchronously,

Eric


From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Jan 27 11:01:06 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:01:06 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] firewall questions (newbie)
Message-ID: <012720061701.27123.43DA51D20000100C000069F322007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I'm "top posting" because I'm using web email to reply this morning.

Anyway. If you want a more robust/secure firewall and choose to go with the Smoothwall (or IPcop as others may recommend) and you do not have a switch or hub for the LAN, then you would want to use the Linksys as a passive switch in order to attach more than one PC to the GREEN interface (I personally use a Netgear 16 port switch for my LAN). 

You could run Cat5 from the GREEN port on Smoothwall to the WAN port on the Linksys, and then use the LAN ports for computers, but then you would have two firewalls between you and the Internet and that can lead to interesting connectivity problems.

The better solution (but it will take away one of your LAN ports) is to run the Cat5 from the GREEN port to one of the LAN ports and then make sure you have turned off the DHCP server on either the Linksys or the Smoothwall (since you only want one DHCP server on your LAN). 

Having the Linksys acting as a passive switch on your LAN (and using the Smoothwall as your DHCP server) would have the added benefit of providing an "inside" wireless access point should you ever go wireless.

I ended up buying a Netgear wireless router since it was half the price of a dedicated access point and simply turned off the DHCP server portion and attached it to my LAN via one of the LAN ports and now it simply serves as a wireless access point with the IP for any connecting PCs coming from the Smoothwall DHCP server.

If you go with Smoothwall, do yourself a favor and surf through their forums, there are a LOT of tips and tricks in there. I've also created a modified ISO image that has all 8 updates/patches in a seperate folder on the image so that I don't have to download the patches when/if I need to build or rebuild a firewall.

Apparently there is a guy on the forums that has "slipstreamed" the patches into the standard ISO image. I've done such a thing with WinXP and Win2000, but not with Linux.

--
----
------
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "G J" <iipreca at hotmail.com>
> The closest residence is over a quarter mile away, not to mention the road 
> is as far as  well, (I live on a farm), so I'm not worried about anyone at 
> all hacking my wireless, and as of right now its turned off since I don't 
> have any wireless computers. I am probably going to put it between the modem 
> and the switch of course, however, do I plug it into the LAN side or the 
> internet side of the Linksys?
> 
> 
> Jesse
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have to disagree with the statement "learn IPTABLES first, then get
> lazy/clever and worry about a front end". I would highly recommend using
> a Smoothwall firewall first, and then while the Smoothwall is protecting
> your home network, you can play with IPTABLES on another machine. The
> last thing you would want to do is make a mistake and open up your
> entire network to the Internet.
> 
> My $0.02 on the subject of what to do.....Either #1 or #2 below.
> #1 - Create a Smoothwall (use v2.0 with all 8 updates, v3 is still beta)
> with three (3) NICs. GREEN (LAN), RED (Internet), ORANGE (DMZ). And then
> put your Linksys out on the Orange interface as your wireless access
> point. That way if someone were to hack your wireless, all they would
> have access to is your Internet connection. Not necessarily good, but
> better than them having access to your internal network.
> 
> #2 - Create a Smoothwall with two (2) NICs, GREEN & RED. Plug the
> Linksys in on the LAN side and turn off DHCP (use the Smoothwall as your
> DHCP server) and basically just turn it into a simple WiFi access point
> and wired switch. If you have WPA encryption turned on with a strong
> password and you are not broadcasting your SSID, there is a very slim
> chance that someone will even bother to try to hack your WiFi (there are
> a lot of unsecured access points out there for them to play with).
> 
> You might even consider just using the Linksys as is (or with the
> "aftermarket" Linux upgrade) as your firewall/switch and using the PII
> machine as a "test" or "play" machine. That way you can play with
> different distributions and not have to worry about hosing your primary
> computer.
> --
> Todd Young
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From obelin23 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 16:01:10 2006
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:01:10 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] slackware 10.1 - changing default screen res
In-Reply-To: <43DA3F07.8060107@vangyzen.net>
References: <72278d10601270658p2542078ap4cdd1401e8cbd923@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DA3F07.8060107@vangyzen.net>
Message-ID: <72278d10601271401s2a92cb8aua0e84a2fe29aa5c8@mail.gmail.com>

First of all thank you both for helping,


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jan 24 00:41:35 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:41:35 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1138399301.11660.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

(II) SIS(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name)

There were a couple of earlier messages related to this mode, that were
repeated for the successful 1024x768, as follows.

II) SIS(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode
clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (bad mode
clock/interlace/doublescan)

I'm not sure what 'no mode of this name' means, other than that it possibly
does not recognize that pair as a valid screen dimension.

Any further feedback?

Thanks again,

Charlie

On 1/27/06, Eric van Gyzen <eric at vangyzen.net> wrote:
>
> Charlie O wrote:
> > I am running Slackware 10.1. I just got a new monitor, and am trying to
> > change the default screen res.
> >
> > I went in and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and put in the new horizontal
> > and vertical refresh rates, and added the new, "1280x1024" to the Modes
> > line for each defined Display subsection.
> >
> > I have restarted the machine, several times by now.
> >
> > When I pull up KDE Control Center, the maximum screen res is the old
> > 1024x768. Running the command xdpyinfo shows the same.
>
> The first step in troubleshooting anything is to check the logs.
>
> Look in /var/log for something like Xorg.0.log.  In that file, look for
> lines like:
>
>      Not using default mode "1280x1024" (_reason_)
>
> where _reason_ is something like "hsync out of range", "insufficient
> memory for mode", or "it smells funny".
>
> The few lines before and after those might also be helpful.
>
> Asynchronously,
>
> Eric
>

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First of all thank you both for helping,<br>
<br>

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jan 24 00:41:35 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:41:35 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1138399301.11660.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

)<br>
<br>
There were a couple of earlier messages related to this mode, that were rep=
eated for the successful 1024x768, as follows.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
II) SIS(0): Not using default mode &quot;1024x768&quot; (vrefresh out of ra=
nge)<br>
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode &quot;1024x768&quot; (bad mode clock/in=
terlace/doublescan)<br>
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode &quot;1280x1024&quot; (vrefresh out of =
range)<br>
(II) SIS(0): Not using default mode &quot;1280x1024&quot; (bad mode clock/i=
nterlace/doublescan)<br>
<br>
I'm not sure what 'no mode of this name' means, other than that it
possibly does not recognize that pair as a valid screen dimension.<br>
<br>
Any further feedback?<br>
<br>
Thanks again,<br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
<br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1/27/06, <b class=3D"gmail_senderna=
me">Eric van Gyzen</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric at vangyzen.net" target=3D"_=
blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">eric at vangyz=
en.net
</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1=
ex;">
Charlie O wrote:<br>&gt; I am running Slackware 10.1. I just got a new moni=
tor, and am trying to<br>&gt; change the default screen res.<br>&gt;<br>&gt=
; I went in and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and put in the new horizontal
<br>&gt; and vertical refresh rates, and added the new, &quot;1280x1024&quo=
t; to the Modes<br>&gt; line for each defined Display subsection.<br>&gt;<b=
r>&gt; I have restarted the machine, several times by now.<br>&gt;<br>
&gt; When I pull up KDE Control Center, the maximum screen res is the old
<br>&gt; 1024x768. Running the command xdpyinfo shows the same.<br><br>The =
first step in troubleshooting anything is to check the logs.<br><br>Look in=
 /var/log for something like Xorg.0.log.&nbsp;&nbsp;In that file, look for<=
br>lines like:
<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Not using default mode &quot;1280x1024&quo=
t; (_reason_)<br><br>where _reason_ is something like &quot;hsync out of ra=
nge&quot;, &quot;insufficient<br>memory for mode&quot;, or &quot;it smells =
funny&quot;.<br>

<br>The few lines before and after those might also be helpful.<br><br>Asyn=
chronously,<br><br>Eric<br></blockquote></div><br>

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From obelin23 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 17:27:41 2006
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:27:41 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] screen res and aspect ratio
Message-ID: <72278d10601271527w794e14beub34f11f8ae9b77a0@mail.gmail.com>

This is a follow-up to my earlier posting about not getting 1280x1024 to
work with Slackware 10.1 despite modifying xorg.conf.

I googled a bit on the screen res, and apparently older CRT monitors are
mainly 4:3 aspect ratio, while some of the newer large LCD displays are 5:4.

I am wondering if this has anything to do with 1280x1024 not being
recognized as a valid Mode name on my machine - although whether that is at
hardware level (a 2003 machine from General Nanosys with an on-board Sis
video driver), or software driver level, or higher, I have no clue.

Does anyone have experience with xorg and newer large LCD displays? Any rays
of light on this subject?

Thanks,

Charlie O
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Jan 28 11:21:04 2006
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:21:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen res and aspect ratio
In-Reply-To: <72278d10601271527w794e14beub34f11f8ae9b77a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10601271527w794e14beub34f11f8ae9b77a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1138468865.8995.76.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 23:27 +0000, Charlie O wrote:
> I googled a bit on the screen res, and apparently older CRT monitors
> are mainly 4:3 aspect ratio, while some of the newer large LCD
> displays are 5:4.

That shouldn't have anything to do with the resolutions the display
supports.

> I am wondering if this has anything to do with 1280x1024 not being
> recognized as a valid Mode name on my machine - although whether that
> is at hardware level (a 2003 machine from General Nanosys with an
> on-board Sis video driver), or software driver level, or higher, I
> have no clue.

Xorg should attempt to communicate with the monitor with the DDC
protocol to get EDID information about the display, including its size
and the supported video modes.  I'd expect that to be logged to the
Xorg.0.log file (so you might send that to the list to get some more
eyeballs on it), though maybe the driver for your video card doesn't do
that.

I googled around for your monitor, and found that someone suggested
setting the VertRefresh value to 60 (rather than a range), and that
seemed to help [http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2491823.html]

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Jan 28 12:17:28 2006
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:17:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
Message-ID: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>

Hi,

I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop the
bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people have
done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references googling
around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can waste less
time.

First off, I switched from running the standard syslogd/klogd setup to
using syslog-ng.  The advantage of syslog-ng is that you can have it
pipe some or all of the logs that are received into another program,
which can handle events as they happen.

I pondered making a utility of my own to filter the logs for SSH login
failures, but I finally came across a reasonable utility online.  SEC,
the Simple Event Correlator [http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/], uses Perl
and allows for Perl's regular expression syntax, which I'm most
comfortable with (and when I forget things, I can just do "man perlre"
to remember).

Finally, I decided to make myself a simple blackhole script to give
myself a little more flexibility (for example, I'll expand it in the
future to have a "whitelist" of IP addresses, so if I'm feeling
forgetful one day, I hopefully won't block myself).

I added these entries to my /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf file, which
filters my logs and only sends messages from sshd to SEC (my firewall is
just a Pentium 133, so I didn't want to send everything there):

        # set up the destination of sec, which uses STDIN ('-') as input 
        destination d_sec { program("sec -input=- -conf=/etc/sec.conf"); };
        
        # set up a filter to only pick up logs from the SSH daemon
        filter f_sshd { program(sshd.*); };
        
        # connect log source, filter, and destination
        log {
                source(s_all);
                filter(f_sshd);
                destination(d_sec);
        };

I also created a rule for SEC that will run my blackhole script if three
failed logins appeared within a 30-second window.  After an hour (3600
seconds), I run my script again to unblock the IP address (otherwise my
blackhole chain would probably become very long after a while).

        type=SingleWith2Thresholds
        ptype=RegExp
        pattern=Failed password for (?:root|illegal user \S+) from ::ffff:([0-9.]+)
        desc=Repeated login failures from $1
        window=30
        thresh=3
        action=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl add $1
        desc2=Blackholed $1 for one hour, removing
        window2=3600
        thresh2=0
        action2=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl remove $1

I created a blackhole script that would add the IP to some rule chains
that are already set up on my firewall.  I use the shorewall script to
define rules, which has a pre-defined "dynamic" chain for blackholing
sites, plus a "reject" target chain that will sanely react to a variety
of different incoming traffic.  (I suppose calling it a "blackhole"
isn't really accurate in this case, since my firewall will generally
send TCP reset, port unreachable, or other responses when traffic is
being rejected).

        #!/usr/bin/perl
        my ($action, $ip) = @ARGV;
        if ($action eq 'add') {
                system ("iptables -A dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
                system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] added $ip to blackhole list");
        }
        elsif ($action eq 'remove') {
                system ("iptables -D dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
                system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] removed $ip from blackhole list");
        }
        
I finished it up late last night, and wasn't quite sure if it was
working.  I'd attempted to fail SSH logins a few times from a remote
shell account I have, but it didn't seem to work (maybe I just didn't
type fast enough ;-)  However, when I woke up today, I was happy to see
that this setup had added and then removed blackhole rules for two
sites.

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sat Jan 28 13:40:04 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:40:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <10007785.1138472536735.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
References: <10007785.1138472536735.JavaMail.root@sniper7>
Message-ID: <200601281340.04824.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Saturday 28 January 2006 12:17 pm, Mike Hicks wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop the
> bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people have
> done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references googling
> around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can waste less
> time.
>
> First off, I switched from running the standard syslogd/klogd setup to
> using syslog-ng.  The advantage of syslog-ng is that you can have it
> pipe some or all of the logs that are received into another program,
> which can handle events as they happen.
>
> I pondered making a utility of my own to filter the logs for SSH login
> failures, but I finally came across a reasonable utility online.  SEC,
> the Simple Event Correlator [http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/], uses Perl
> and allows for Perl's regular expression syntax, which I'm most
> comfortable with (and when I forget things, I can just do "man perlre"
> to remember).
>
> Finally, I decided to make myself a simple blackhole script to give
> myself a little more flexibility (for example, I'll expand it in the
> future to have a "whitelist" of IP addresses, so if I'm feeling
> forgetful one day, I hopefully won't block myself).
>
> I added these entries to my /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf file, which
> filters my logs and only sends messages from sshd to SEC (my firewall is
> just a Pentium 133, so I didn't want to send everything there):
>
>         # set up the destination of sec, which uses STDIN ('-') as input
>         destination d_sec { program("sec -input=- -conf=/etc/sec.conf"); };
>
>         # set up a filter to only pick up logs from the SSH daemon
>         filter f_sshd { program(sshd.*); };
>
>         # connect log source, filter, and destination
>         log {
>                 source(s_all);
>                 filter(f_sshd);
>                 destination(d_sec);
>         };
>
> I also created a rule for SEC that will run my blackhole script if three
> failed logins appeared within a 30-second window.  After an hour (3600
> seconds), I run my script again to unblock the IP address (otherwise my
> blackhole chain would probably become very long after a while).
>
>         type=SingleWith2Thresholds
>         ptype=RegExp
>         pattern=Failed password for (?:root|illegal user \S+) from
> ::ffff:([0-9.]+) desc=Repeated login failures from $1
>         window=30
>         thresh=3
>         action=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl add $1
>         desc2=Blackholed $1 for one hour, removing
>         window2=3600
>         thresh2=0
>         action2=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl remove $1
>
> I created a blackhole script that would add the IP to some rule chains
> that are already set up on my firewall.  I use the shorewall script to
> define rules, which has a pre-defined "dynamic" chain for blackholing
> sites, plus a "reject" target chain that will sanely react to a variety
> of different incoming traffic.  (I suppose calling it a "blackhole"
> isn't really accurate in this case, since my firewall will generally
> send TCP reset, port unreachable, or other responses when traffic is
> being rejected).
>
>         #!/usr/bin/perl
>         my ($action, $ip) = @ARGV;
>         if ($action eq 'add') {
>                 system ("iptables -A dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
>                 system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] added $ip to blackhole
> list"); }
>         elsif ($action eq 'remove') {
>                 system ("iptables -D dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
>                 system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] removed $ip from
> blackhole list"); }
>
> I finished it up late last night, and wasn't quite sure if it was
> working.  I'd attempted to fail SSH logins a few times from a remote
> shell account I have, but it didn't seem to work (maybe I just didn't
> type fast enough ;-)  However, when I woke up today, I was happy to see
> that this setup had added and then removed blackhole rules for two
> sites.


I have finished up a script about a month ago to do this very thing. 
Coincidentally I went from syslog-ng (yuck) to sysklog/klog. I do not want my 
logger program to be doing anything but writing to my log files and syslog-ng 
is way overly complex for even just writing to log files.

Now my perl script runs in cron every 5 minutes and checks the auth.log file 
for X failed login attempts from a single IP. If the IP procudes more than X 
failed login attempts a rule is added to iptables to block this host from 
talking to me on port 22. After Y seconds, the host is removed. I have Y set 
to 1 day for myself. It stores the blocked IPs in a local hash database so in 
case someone flushes iptables outside of the script it can repopulate 
iptables automatically on its next run. For every block and removal action it 
sends an email out to me.

It runs very well but it is still a work in progress and unfortunately I was 
not able to get the iptables perl module to install on my amd64 so I have 
resorted to calling iptables thru perl's "system" function.

My biggest gripe about my script is the log parsing code, it is currently not 
very flexible yet - it is still a work in progress.


From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 28 13:52:52 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:52:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless = Communism...yeah
Message-ID: <20060128195252.32757.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Somebody sent me this link:
http://www.muniwireless.com/

It seems like wireless has the potential to give
everybody in big fell swoops broadband access. I'd
like to see Internet access be like a utility, a
public-sector "given" wherever you are. Of course the
argument is the private sector has expanded the
Internet very quickly and manage it well. However, if
times get bad, they might pack it in and leave us all
without Internet, or at crazy prices.

If times get bad (not enough oil to cover the demand?)
the Internet would greatly aid everybody's ability to
connect, brainstorm, organize locally, regionally,
whatever. Without it, we're at the mercy of some
top-down BS--maybe like we saw in NOLA.... :-(

Olwe

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Jan 28 14:29:58 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:29:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <20060128202958.D2D026991@skuld.wookimus.net>

Or, you could use a simple iptables module called "ipt_recent".  I
added this function to my /etc/shorewall/start script.  Whitelisted IP
addresses are found in /etc/shorewall/ssh-bruteforce-whitelist.  

FWDSSH_PORT=2345
SSH_PORT=22

ssh_bruteforce() {
    # Prime the whitelist
    iptables -N SSH_WHITELIST
    echo "   SSH Bruteforce whitelist chain created." >&2
    sed -e '/^#/ D' /etc/shorewall/ssh-bruteforce-whitelist | \
    while read CIDR; do
        iptables -A SSH_WHITELIST -s $CIDR -m recent --remove --name SSH \
                -j ACCEPT
        echo "      Added $CIDR to whitelist.">&2
    done
    
    # Start following state
    iptables -N SSH_BRUTEFORCE
    echo "   Creating SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain" >&2
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --set --name SSH
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -j SSH_WHITELIST
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 \
                --rttl --name SSH \
                -j LOG --log-prefix "SSH_BRUTE_FORCE "
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 \
                --rttl --name SSH \
                -j DROP
    echo "   Added rules to SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain" >&2
    iptables -I net2fw 2 -p tcp \
                -m multiport --destination-ports $SSH_PORT,$FWDSSH_PORT \
                -m state --state NEW \
                -j SSH_BRUTEFORCE
    echo "   Added SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain to net2fw" >&2
}
ssh_bruteforce

Logs look like this:

Jan 25 15:50:01 skuld kernel: SSH_BRUTE_FORCE IN=eth0 OUT=
    MAC=00:11:2f:9e:c9:1e:00:14:bf:18:80:c0:08:00 SRC=163.21.251.8
    DST=192.168.1.10 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=47 ID=22053 DF
    PROTO=TCP SPT=59345 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

After four hits to the same port by the same IP address, it's added to
the black list for 60 seconds.  I could extend that if I wanted, but I
find that 60 seconds is sufficiently long to discourage most
worm/bots.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From dan at dandrake.org  Sat Jan 28 14:43:59 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 at 12:17PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote:
> I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop
> the bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people
> have done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references
> googling around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can
> waste less time.

My solution to that problem was to use iptables and a port knocking
daemon. If you're not coming from the U of M, iptables drops all port 22
packets, unless you knock first. 

It's a very simple setup, and easy to use.

Dan

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From dan at dandrake.org  Sat Jan 28 14:43:59 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (dan@dandrake.org)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 at 12:17PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote:
> I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop
> the bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people
> have done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references
> googling around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can
> waste less time.

My solution to that problem was to use iptables and a port knocking
daemon. If you're not coming from the U of M, iptables drops all port 22
packets, unless you knock first. 

It's a very simple setup, and easy to use.

Dan

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Jan 28 15:04:12 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:04:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <20060128210412.850B06C22@skuld.wookimus.net>

dan at dandrake.org  wrote:
> My solution to that problem was to use iptables and a port knocking
> daemon. If you're not coming from the U of M, iptables drops all
> port 22 packets, unless you knock first.

That would work great, but not for shell servers with faculty and
students as a user base.  Great for servers where ssh is only used for
adminitration, though! ;-)

It looks like ipt_recent can be used to implement this functionality:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/268

Sweet. ;-)  I may put that on our backup server.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Jan 28 15:04:12 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:04:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1138496259.11660.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

dan at dandrake.org  wrote:
> My solution to that problem was to use iptables and a port knocking
> daemon. If you're not coming from the U of M, iptables drops all
> port 22 packets, unless you knock first.

That would work great, but not for shell servers with faculty and
students as a user base.  Great for servers where ssh is only used for
adminitration, though! ;-)

It looks like ipt_recent can be used to implement this functionality:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/268

Sweet. ;-)  I may put that on our backup server.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Sat Jan 28 14:29:58 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:29:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1138496270.11660.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

Or, you could use a simple iptables module called "ipt_recent".  I
added this function to my /etc/shorewall/start script.  Whitelisted IP
addresses are found in /etc/shorewall/ssh-bruteforce-whitelist.  

FWDSSH_PORT=2345
SSH_PORT=22

ssh_bruteforce() {
    # Prime the whitelist
    iptables -N SSH_WHITELIST
    echo "   SSH Bruteforce whitelist chain created." >&2
    sed -e '/^#/ D' /etc/shorewall/ssh-bruteforce-whitelist | \
    while read CIDR; do
        iptables -A SSH_WHITELIST -s $CIDR -m recent --remove --name SSH \
                -j ACCEPT
        echo "      Added $CIDR to whitelist.">&2
    done
    
    # Start following state
    iptables -N SSH_BRUTEFORCE
    echo "   Creating SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain" >&2
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --set --name SSH
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -j SSH_WHITELIST
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 \
                --rttl --name SSH \
                -j LOG --log-prefix "SSH_BRUTE_FORCE "
    iptables -A SSH_BRUTEFORCE -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 \
                --rttl --name SSH \
                -j DROP
    echo "   Added rules to SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain" >&2
    iptables -I net2fw 2 -p tcp \
                -m multiport --destination-ports $SSH_PORT,$FWDSSH_PORT \
                -m state --state NEW \
                -j SSH_BRUTEFORCE
    echo "   Added SSH_BRUTEFORCE chain to net2fw" >&2
}
ssh_bruteforce

Logs look like this:

Jan 25 15:50:01 skuld kernel: SSH_BRUTE_FORCE IN=eth0 OUT=
    MAC=00:11:2f:9e:c9:1e:00:14:bf:18:80:c0:08:00 SRC=163.21.251.8
    DST=192.168.1.10 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=47 ID=22053 DF
    PROTO=TCP SPT=59345 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

After four hits to the same port by the same IP address, it's added to
the black list for 60 seconds.  I could extend that if I wanted, but I
find that 60 seconds is sufficiently long to discourage most
worm/bots.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Jan 28 21:02:27 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:02:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <20060129030227.GB10918@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:17:28PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote:
> I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop the
> bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people have
> done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references googling
> around.  

This is a start:

http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
http://www.aczoom.com/cms/blockhosts/
http://blinkeye.ch/mediawiki/index.php/SSH_Blocking
http://fail2ban.sourceforge.net/

        .../Ed
-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Jan 29 00:32:36 2006
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:32:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <1138516356.8995.165.camel@3po.thodt.net>

On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 14:43 -0600, Dan Drake wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 at 12:17PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote:
> > I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop
> > the bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people
> > have done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references
> > googling around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can
> > waste less time.

Heh, I probably should have explained that a little better -- I did come
across several utilities to block SSH attempts, though they just didn't
work in ways I liked.  Some worked via cron (or that's what I thought),
and, seemingly, most use Python (heh, Perl's slow enough for me
already ;-)  Well, I'm not sure why I don't like Python..  Probably just
because I don't know it yet.

Anyway, I've gotten a few direct responses too, and I think everyone
seems to have equally valid solutions, just resolving problems in the
way that makes the most sense to them.  I wanted something that was
getting fed directly from the system logger (not tailing a file
or--eek--reading the whole thing every few minutes as a cronjob) so it
could respond immediately.

Of course, the iptables limiting approach is reasonable too, but I just
wanted to know that I'm filtering someone who's actually failing login.

> My solution to that problem was to use iptables and a port knocking
> daemon. If you're not coming from the U of M, iptables drops all port 22
> packets, unless you knock first. 

Hmm, I suppose I could whitelist the firewall I'm coming from when
ssh'ing from work (and a handful of others), then use knocking for other
source IPs.  But I suspect that getting IPSec working between my roaming
laptop and my home network is higher up on my To-Do,-Someday,-Hopefully
list..

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Sun Jan 29 10:45:22 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:45:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138516356.8995.165.camel@3po.thodt.net> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<20060128204359.GA10939@dandrake.org>
	<1138516356.8995.165.camel@3po.thodt.net>
Message-ID: <20060129164522.66535246E@skuld.wookimus.net>

Mike wrote:
> Of course, the iptables limiting approach is reasonable too, but I
> just wanted to know that I'm filtering someone who's actually
> failing login.

This might be good information, however I believe that is exposing
yourself to the very low probability that someone might actually
brute-force guess a password on your system or expose a new
vulnerability in the daemon answering to that port.  I would say
"defense in depth" would be the best answer to get filtering at the
time of TCP negotiation as well as answering to log events.

> But I suspect that getting IPSec working between my roaming laptop
> and my home network is higher up on my To-Do,-Someday,-Hopefully
> list..

I was looking at OpenVPN as a solution.  I'm using OpenWRT on my
Linksys, and there's already a package for it.  In fact, I plan on
using the same setup at work to get us on to the private LAN in the
server room.  There are nice OpenVPN clients for most OS'es.

Anyway, back to homework.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From asim at catsone.com  Sat Jan 21 09:54:15 2006
From: asim at catsone.com (Asim Baig)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:54:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New open source project needs volunteers
Message-ID: <43D25927.8060306@catsone.com>

CATS is a new open source project that I have been working on since 
summer. I run an IT staffing shop in Minnetonka and needed an affordable 
system to manage my business. Couldn't find a decent commercial solution 
or an open source alternative, so I decided to write one.....:-)

CATS is an Applicant Tracking System (ATS) primarily used by recruiters 
and HR professionals to manage candidates/gigs etc. Its built on LAMP 
platform ( I must admit though that all development is in Linux, but we 
have hosted it on a FreeBSD box....don't ask, one of my developers is a 
big freebsd fan). Anyways, we are looking for volunteers for the project.

Our current challenges are:

- Mysql replication and high availability issues. (Advice on moving up 
to Mysql 5....any benefits on using stored procs?)
- PHP coding (have a growing list of features)
- Advanced Bash scripting
- Graphic Designer (nice to have dhtml./css wizardry and a bit of AJAX 
wont hurt either)


Because it is the first ever open source ATS system out there, we have 
received great response from recruiters from all over since announcing 
it on Jan 10. The project is not ready for prime time yet and we need 
help (its really a 3 legged 1 eyed dog at this point)

If anyone is interested in joining our project, please send me an email 
at asim at catsone.com and tell us how you can help us. The project is 
hosted online so you can check it out on http://www.catsone.com (Demo 
available)


Regards,

-- 
Asim Baig
CATS Dev Team Lead
asim at catsone.com
952-417-0067



From tringer at consumption.net  Fri Jan 27 23:26:43 2006
From: tringer at consumption.net (Torleiv Ringer)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:26:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Question for the more experienced networking/sysadmin
	folks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0601272056490.13136@heyzeus.consumption.net>

Hello,

Here is something that I must ask for guidance from the more experienced
administrators. I must say up front that I am not a networking
specialist. My forte is in our "custom" system.

We have a situation at work where someone misconfigured a switch and it
caused some major failures that were hard to trace. We have a unique
environment where we route custom packets through a brand-new Cisco 4500. We
have new Cisco 3560 switches that distribute links to each of two rooms that
have "custom" digital equipment. This is a new setup for us, and is
mission-critical. We have moved from an analog network to this new
digital UDP based system. In total we have about 14 3560s, and plugged into
these are about 200 other "custom" switches that are vendor-specific.

The point of contention is that someone thought they were doing the
right thing and jumped in where they were not asked to by installing a
new 3560.

  *) This person set the switch up "hot" (on the network)
  *) They used two uplink ports, intending on ganging them togther
  *) They did not properly set the ports into a channel-group

This made the 3560 seem like a router and flooded all of our custom
switches with so much traffic that the devices could not effectively
talk to each other. This would be sorta OK in a TCP environment, but we
have a UDP based system that relies heavily on very low latency.

So here is my question:

I am being pushed by the higher-ups to come up with a software solution
for this problem, which I feel is a process problem. The process should
be to NOT SET THE SWITCH UP ON THE F**KING NETWORK! And to have another
person verify the setup prior to bringing up a new piece of equipment on
the network that is mission-critical. Beyond that the person just went
and did it without coordinating with anyone.

Should I bow to the pressure and force our vendor to "fix" their
software to be able to function in an abnormal network setup? This would
allow certain folks to save face while straining our relationship with
out vendor.

Or

Should I instill a process such that this would never happen again and
put the lock-down on people who configure devices in/on this network?
This involves disallowing the people who are supposed to be the
networking specialists from configuring the "custom" network.

Or

Is there a Cisco configuration that can be used to disallow "unknown"
routers on the VLAN? This seems unlikely to me.


It's one or the other at this point, as we have lost a lot of
credibility in this situation, and we must move forward with
implementation. This is the second time now that a misconfigured switch
has been setup hot on the "custom" network.

Has anyone had a similar situation?

Thanks in advance for your sage advice.


p.s. No, at this point I cannot divulge what the "custom" is.

-- 
As fast as it ever got, it never got fast enough for me.
   Hunter S. Thompson


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sun Jan 29 18:51:26 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:51:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <30745457.1138553639957.JavaMail.root@sniper28>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<1138516356.8995.165.camel@3po.thodt.net>
	<30745457.1138553639957.JavaMail.root@sniper28>
Message-ID: <200601291851.27209.jus@krytosvirus.com>

>
> > But I suspect that getting IPSec working between my roaming laptop
> > and my home network is higher up on my To-Do,-Someday,-Hopefully
> > list..
>
> I was looking at OpenVPN as a solution.  I'm using OpenWRT on my
> Linksys, and there's already a package for it.  In fact, I plan on
> using the same setup at work to get us on to the private LAN in the
> server room.  There are nice OpenVPN clients for most OS'es.
>
> Anyway, back to homework.

Digressing fully from the topic - 
The next to be released OpenSSH version will support VPN tunneling similarly 
to how OpenVPN does it. I predict the OpenSSH will be better than OpenVPN 
once it gets some primetime use and bugs ironed out. Plus, come on, who 
doesn't use OpenSSH (besides Cisco)?


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sun Jan 29 19:41:04 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:41:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <200601291851.27209.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<1138516356.8995.165.camel@3po.thodt.net>
	<30745457.1138553639957.JavaMail.root@sniper28>
	<200601291851.27209.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <20060130014104.GA9793@www.ewilts.org>

On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 06:51:26PM -0600, Justin Krejci wrote:
> Plus, come on, who doesn't use OpenSSH (besides Cisco)?

I finally had to purchase Tectia SSH server software for my office since
OpenSSH doesn't offer a secure, supportable chroot'ed environment.  

Most of my systems do have OpenSSH though.

Sigh,
        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 22:23:07 2006
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:23:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Question for the more experienced
	networking/sysadmin folks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0601272056490.13136@heyzeus.consumption.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0601272056490.13136@heyzeus.consumption.net>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0601292023n48122fb7g2b5c6b1c9633d705@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/27/06, Torleiv Ringer <tringer at consumption.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have a situation at work where someone misconfigured a switch and it
> caused some major failures that were hard to trace.

Shoot them.

> The point of contention is that someone thought they were doing the
> right thing and jumped in where they were not asked to by installing a
> new 3560.

Shoot them.

>   *) This person set the switch up "hot" (on the network)
>   *) They used two uplink ports, intending on ganging them togther
>   *) They did not properly set the ports into a channel-group

Also shoot whoever let this idiot anywhere near the switches.

> So here is my question:
>
> I am being pushed by the higher-ups to come up with a software solution
> for this problem, which I feel is a process problem.

Correct.  When you're getting to the point of routing proprietary
protocols, anyone setting up switches should realize that there's some
config that needs to be done.  I'm not sure that software ANYTHING
would help you here.

> Should I bow to the pressure and force our vendor to "fix" their
> software to be able to function in an abnormal network setup?

At least investigate it, but vendors (and their supplied protocols)
can be a bear to work with.  I doubt you'll get anywhere with the
vendor.  Based on your use of the word "custom", I'm guessing that
there's only one vendor who provides this particular software that
serves a specific function so dropping them isn't an option.    Isn't
vendor locking wonderful? :-P

> Or
> Should I instill a process such that this would never happen again and
> put the lock-down on people who configure devices in/on this network?

That's part of it.

> This involves disallowing the people who are supposed to be the
> networking specialists from configuring the "custom" network.

Or train, train, and train some more.  Does the idiot in question
understand that there is a proper way to configure your custom
enviroment?  What about the other admins who probably didn't know
either?

> Is there a Cisco configuration that can be used to disallow "unknown"
> routers on the VLAN? This seems unlikely to me.

Not that I know of.  IF your custom protocol supports it, you might be
able to prevent such a thing using 802.1p priority queueing.  If a new
switch comes online, it won't be part of the 802.1p scheme which MIGHT
keep nasty packets from propogating (or, at the very least, shoving
them to the lowest priority).  Of course an ACL permitting only
specific MACs could be used, but that might be more work than its
worth when you're talking 200+ devices.

> It's one or the other at this point, as we have lost a lot of
> credibility in this situation, and we must move forward with
> implementation. This is the second time now that a misconfigured switch
> has been setup hot on the "custom" network.

Playing devil's advocate: first time, shame on them, second time,
shame on you.  What happened to the idiot in the first instance?


From jherrick at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 23:06:42 2006
From: jherrick at gmail.com (Jim Herrick)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:06:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <82ad773b0601292106v48f0a5eft4ef97e53d803f941@mail.gmail.com>

I was dealing with the same issue and ran across this small, easy to
install Python script:

  Script Kiddy Defence Script
  http://mr.uue.org/projects/skds/

I run shorewall / iptables on FC4 and have been very happy with this
script for over a month now.

Jim


On 1/28/06, Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I finally got around to making an automatic blackhole setup to stop the
> bots that try to SSH into my box all the time.  I'm sure people have
> done this before, but I couldn't find many decent references googling
> around.  So, I figured I'd explain what I did so others can waste less
> time.
>
> First off, I switched from running the standard syslogd/klogd setup to
> using syslog-ng.  The advantage of syslog-ng is that you can have it
> pipe some or all of the logs that are received into another program,
> which can handle events as they happen.
>
> I pondered making a utility of my own to filter the logs for SSH login
> failures, but I finally came across a reasonable utility online.  SEC,
> the Simple Event Correlator [http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/], uses Perl
> and allows for Perl's regular expression syntax, which I'm most
> comfortable with (and when I forget things, I can just do "man perlre"
> to remember).
>
> Finally, I decided to make myself a simple blackhole script to give
> myself a little more flexibility (for example, I'll expand it in the
> future to have a "whitelist" of IP addresses, so if I'm feeling
> forgetful one day, I hopefully won't block myself).
>
> I added these entries to my /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf file, which
> filters my logs and only sends messages from sshd to SEC (my firewall is
> just a Pentium 133, so I didn't want to send everything there):
>
>         # set up the destination of sec, which uses STDIN ('-') as input
>         destination d_sec { program("sec -input=- -conf=/etc/sec.conf"); };
>
>         # set up a filter to only pick up logs from the SSH daemon
>         filter f_sshd { program(sshd.*); };
>
>         # connect log source, filter, and destination
>         log {
>                 source(s_all);
>                 filter(f_sshd);
>                 destination(d_sec);
>         };
>
> I also created a rule for SEC that will run my blackhole script if three
> failed logins appeared within a 30-second window.  After an hour (3600
> seconds), I run my script again to unblock the IP address (otherwise my
> blackhole chain would probably become very long after a while).
>
>         type=SingleWith2Thresholds
>         ptype=RegExp
>         pattern=Failed password for (?:root|illegal user \S+) from ::ffff:([0-9.]+)
>         desc=Repeated login failures from $1
>         window=30
>         thresh=3
>         action=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl add $1
>         desc2=Blackholed $1 for one hour, removing
>         window2=3600
>         thresh2=0
>         action2=shellcmd /usr/local/bin/blackhole.pl remove $1
>
> I created a blackhole script that would add the IP to some rule chains
> that are already set up on my firewall.  I use the shorewall script to
> define rules, which has a pre-defined "dynamic" chain for blackholing
> sites, plus a "reject" target chain that will sanely react to a variety
> of different incoming traffic.  (I suppose calling it a "blackhole"
> isn't really accurate in this case, since my firewall will generally
> send TCP reset, port unreachable, or other responses when traffic is
> being rejected).
>
>         #!/usr/bin/perl
>         my ($action, $ip) = @ARGV;
>         if ($action eq 'add') {
>                 system ("iptables -A dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
>                 system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] added $ip to blackhole list");
>         }
>         elsif ($action eq 'remove') {
>                 system ("iptables -D dynamic -s $ip -j reject");
>                 system ("logger -t blackhole.pl[$$] removed $ip from blackhole list");
>         }
>
> I finished it up late last night, and wasn't quite sure if it was
> working.  I'd attempted to fail SSH logins a few times from a remote
> shell account I have, but it didn't seem to work (maybe I just didn't
> type fast enough ;-)  However, when I woke up today, I was happy to see
> that this setup had added and then removed blackhole rules for two
> sites.
>
> --
> Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
>
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Mon Jan 30 09:20:37 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:20:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601300918550.20324@beer.tclug.org>

  No offense to everyone, but I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned 
pam_abl, which brings Automatic Black-Listing to PAM (which OpenSSH 
supports):

http://www.hexten.net/pam_abl/

  That is, assuming you care to use PAM.

      Jima


From sulrich at botwerks.org  Mon Jan 30 09:23:21 2006
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:23:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Question for the more experienced
	networking/sysadmin folks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0601272056490.13136@heyzeus.consumption.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0601272056490.13136@heyzeus.consumption.net>
Message-ID: <C83E0CA3-D5CE-48AA-B7F6-CBD88C49FD07@botwerks.org>

while i won't try to pass my advice off here as sage, i have a  
considerable amount of experience working in very large networks w/ 
carriers (disclaimer: i work for a very large network equipment  
vendor, likely the one you're discussing based on the model  
numbers.).  i would agree that your assessment here is dead on, it's  
a process thing.

bear in mind, vendors come up with default configurations that  
attempt to address the widest swath of deployment scenarios in their  
default configuration.  while i wouldn't advocate some of the less  
reasoned responses for dealing w/people who attempt to be
"helpful" putting some process in place and configuring the upstream  
equipment in such a manner that protects from this situation taking  
place will make your life a lot easier going forward.

On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:26 PM, Torleiv Ringer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here is something that I must ask for guidance from the more  
> experienced
> administrators. I must say up front that I am not a networking
> specialist. My forte is in our "custom" system.
>
> We have a situation at work where someone misconfigured a switch  
> and it
> caused some major failures that were hard to trace. We have a unique
> environment where we route custom packets through a brand-new Cisco  
> 4500. We
> have new Cisco 3560 switches that distribute links to each of two  
> rooms that
> have "custom" digital equipment. This is a new setup for us, and is
> mission-critical. We have moved from an analog network to this new
> digital UDP based system. In total we have about 14 3560s, and  
> plugged into
> these are about 200 other "custom" switches that are vendor-specific.
>
> The point of contention is that someone thought they were doing the
> right thing and jumped in where they were not asked to by installing a
> new 3560.
>
>   *) This person set the switch up "hot" (on the network)
>   *) They used two uplink ports, intending on ganging them togther
>   *) They did not properly set the ports into a channel-group
>
> This made the 3560 seem like a router and flooded all of our custom
> switches with so much traffic that the devices could not effectively
> talk to each other. This would be sorta OK in a TCP environment,  
> but we
> have a UDP based system that relies heavily on very low latency.
>
> So here is my question:
>
> I am being pushed by the higher-ups to come up with a software  
> solution
> for this problem, which I feel is a process problem. The process  
> should
> be to NOT SET THE SWITCH UP ON THE F**KING NETWORK! And to have  
> another
> person verify the setup prior to bringing up a new piece of  
> equipment on
> the network that is mission-critical. Beyond that the person just went
> and did it without coordinating with anyone.
>

i would go a step further an put any existing infrastructure gear  
into a port shut mode.  i know you can lock these network elements  
down to prevent someone from merely attaching gear to the network and  
interoperating with it.  further, you can turn TACACS on and use  
privilege levels to allow folks to view things w/o necessarily giving  
them the keys to the kingdom on the network.  additionally, when  
people know that command logging and accounting is turned on, they're  
much less likely to do, well, dumb stuff.

depending on your configuration and situation, i would recommend  
going through your configurations and using the 'shutdown' command on  
unused ports.  requiring coordinated action in order to make things  
come online in the network.  a little more work, but it usually  
results in very stable configurations and people not glibly plugging  
things into the network. in short, there are some very reasonable  
hardening guidelines that you can follow to put a little structure  
around things and prevent meltdowns caused by cockpit error.

> Should I bow to the pressure and force our vendor to "fix" their
> software to be able to function in an abnormal network setup? This  
> would
> allow certain folks to save face while straining our relationship with
> out vendor.

without more details on what your operating environment is here and  
what the objectives are, i would say that this is difficult and not  
likely to be a successful undertaking.  vendors don't tritely change  
default configurations and in the scenario you've outlined, it  
doesn't sound like you're doing anything that's

> Or
>
> Should I instill a process such that this would never happen again and
> put the lock-down on people who configure devices in/on this network?
> This involves disallowing the people who are supposed to be the
> networking specialists from configuring the "custom" network.
>
> Or
>
> Is there a Cisco configuration that can be used to disallow "unknown"
> routers on the VLAN? This seems unlikely to me.

there are some features that you can use to require that network  
elements authenticate themselves onto the network and some common  
best practices which accomplish something very similar.  these don't  
usually work at the VLAN level, .1x works at the port level, but you  
can do some simple things to prevent total topology meltdown in a  
purely switched network.

> It's one or the other at this point, as we have lost a lot of
> credibility in this situation, and we must move forward with
> implementation. This is the second time now that a misconfigured  
> switch
> has been setup hot on the "custom" network.
>
> Has anyone had a similar situation?
>
> Thanks in advance for your sage advice.
>
>
> p.s. No, at this point I cannot divulge what the "custom" is.

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steve ulrich                       sulrich at botwerks.org
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From jimdscott at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 10:29:50 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:29:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network. I'll
connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, I've got
all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet, no ftp, no
rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the other. What's
the most secure service I can  use for occasional data transfer between the
two PCs? Thanks for any advice.
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Mon Jan 30 10:39:07 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:39:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DE412B.1020802@druswanderings.net>

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jim scott wrote:
> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network.
> I'll connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now,
> I've got all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet,
> no ftp, no rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the
> other. What's the most secure service I can  use for occasional data
> transfer between the two PCs? Thanks for any advice.

Personally, I do almost everything over ssh or, more specifically, using
scp.

scp localfile username at remotebox:destinationfile

I use shared key pairs for authentication but you can be as paranoid or
as lax as you want security-wise.

Both gnome and kde have ways of using scp within the gui as well but
I've found the command line to be the most reliable.

- --
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 30 10:38:38 2006
From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:38:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D19CF006-8680-464C-83BB-4F273AB1652A@visi.com>

On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:29 AM, jim scott wrote:

> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home  
> network. I'll connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a  
> switch. Right now, I've got all incoming services disabled on both  
> computers -- no telnet, no ftp, no rsh. I would like to be able to  
> copy data from one PC to the other. What's the most secure service  
> I can  use for occasional data transfer between the two PCs? Thanks  
> for any advice.

I would install ssh on each box and then use rsync over ssh to move  
files. If you configure ssh to allow RSA logins then you wouldn't  
even need to enter your username and password each time. It's a great  
way to script automatic backups.

-Tim

-- 
Tim Wilson
Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy
mailto: wilson at visi.com   aim: tis270   blog: http://technosavvy.org



From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Jan 30 10:42:09 2006
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:42:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060130164209.GD745@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 10:29:50AM -0600, jim scott wrote:
> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network. I'll
> connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, I've got
> all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet, no ftp, no
> rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the other. What's
> the most secure service I can  use for occasional data transfer between the
> two PCs? Thanks for any advice.

scp (part of the ssh suite) is an excellent choice.  It basically
works just like the normal cp, except you can copy to or from a
remote filesystem.

If you prefer an ftp-style interface, ssh also has sftp, but a) I
find the scp interface to be more powerful than the interactive ftp-
style interface and b) depending on your distro, sftp may require a
little bit of additional setup.

(Oh, and you say you have no telnet, no ftp, no rsh enabled?  Good.
Keep it that way.  Use ssh instead.  There's no reason to use
cleartext services when an equally-to-more convenient encrypted
equivalent is available.)

-- 
The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the
White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that
we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened.
  - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html)


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon Jan 30 10:43:50 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:43:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1138639430.14136.253099105@webmail.messagingengine.com>

The most secure thing you can do is leave the service off and start it
only when you need it. Unless you're extremely paranoid you can use any
service you want to transfer the data. Just shut the service down once
the transfer is complete. I use NFS shares for that type of thing.
If you want to do this remotely, use ssh to log in to your server and
start/stop the service.


----- Original message -----
From: "jim scott" <jimdscott at gmail.com>
To: "TCLug List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:29:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible

Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network.
I'll
connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, I've
got
all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet, no ftp,
no
rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the other.
What's
the most secure service I can  use for occasional data transfer between
the
two PCs? Thanks for any advice.


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon Jan 30 11:04:56 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:04:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <1138639430.14136.253099105@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1138639430.14136.253099105@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1138640696.17179.253101839@webmail.messagingengine.com>

FYI nfs is not encrypted and if you're afraid your network may be
sniffed I'd use one of the encrypted data transfer methods mentioned by
the other posters.


----- Original message -----
From: "Isaac Atilano" <aristophrenic at warpmail.net>
To: "jim scott" <jimdscott at gmail.com>, "TCLug List"
<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:43:50 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible

The most secure thing you can do is leave the service off and start it
only when you need it. Unless you're extremely paranoid you can use any
service you want to transfer the data. Just shut the service down once
the transfer is complete. I use NFS shares for that type of thing.
If you want to do this remotely, use ssh to log in to your server and
start/stop the service.


----- Original message -----
From: "jim scott" <jimdscott at gmail.com>
To: "TCLug List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:29:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible

Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network.
I'll
connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, I've
got
all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet, no ftp,
no
rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the other.
What's
the most secure service I can  use for occasional data transfer between
the
two PCs? Thanks for any advice.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From bgilbertson at stonel.com  Mon Jan 30 11:11:16 2006
From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:11:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DE48B4.5020700@stonel.com>

CLI apps rsync and scp work well.
A nice GUI app I use is the kio_fish slave to konqueror.  Transfer is 
via ssh.
http://www.garni.ch/fish/
May already be installed (part of kdebase).

Bob

jim scott wrote:

> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network. 
> I'll connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, 
> I've got all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no 
> telnet, no ftp, no rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one 
> PC to the other. What's the most secure service I can  use for 
> occasional data transfer between the two PCs? Thanks for any advice.
>


From nate at refried.org  Mon Jan 30 11:18:30 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:18:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060130171830.GA2279@refried.org>

On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 10:29:50AM -0600, jim scott wrote:
> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home network. I'll
> connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a switch. Right now, I've got
> all incoming services disabled on both computers -- no telnet, no ftp, no
> rsh. I would like to be able to copy data from one PC to the other. What's
> the most secure service I can  use for occasional data transfer between the
> two PCs? Thanks for any advice.

Why are you worried about security on your home network?  You do have a
high security setting on your DSL router, right?  Are you putting in a
WiFi router?  Do you have control over who connects to your switch?

As long as you can trust that no is getting through your firewall (i.e.
your DSL router), it shouldn't matter what you use internally.  SSH will
probably work best for occational stuff.  Switch to NFS if you start to
share stuff more.

Nate


From tclug at steamedpenguin.com  Mon Jan 30 11:58:19 2006
From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:58:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
In-Reply-To: <43DE48B4.5020700@stonel.com>
References: <c2c8c3a0601300829k57b1199chd60c5ca1ab7711f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DE48B4.5020700@stonel.com>
Message-ID: <200601301158.19881.tclug@steamedpenguin.com>

On Monday 30 January 2006 11:11, Bob Gilbertson wrote:
> CLI apps rsync and scp work well.
> A nice GUI app I use is the kio_fish slave to konqueror.  Transfer is
> via ssh.
> http://www.garni.ch/fish/
> May already be installed (part of kdebase).

It always amazes me that people will use kio_fish, which is relatively slow, 
when they can use the kio_sftp in konqueror.

-- 
Samir M. Nassar
SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/


From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Jan 30 11:55:35 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:55:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Blackholing SSH scan-bots
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601300918550.20324@beer.tclug.org> 
References: <1138472248.8995.118.camel@192.168.1.42>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0601300918550.20324@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <20060130175535.DC8D03353@skuld.wookimus.net>

Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org>  wrote:
>   No offense to everyone, but I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned 
> pam_abl, which brings Automatic Black-Listing to PAM (which OpenSSH 
> supports):
> 
> http://www.hexten.net/pam_abl/
> 
>   That is, assuming you care to use PAM.

Ooooo...  Nice.  Too bad Mac's don't use PAM extensively.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Jan 30 12:48:04 2006
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:48:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Simplest home network possible
Message-ID: <s3de0b18.094@mdh-gw9.health.state.mn.us>

>>> Tim Wilson <wilson at visi.com> 01/30/06 10:38 AM >>>
On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:29 AM, jim scott wrote:
> Hello, all. I'm going to connect up 2 Linux boxes on a home  
> network. I'll connect the boxes and my DSL router/modem to a  
> switch. Right now, I've got all incoming services disabled on both  
> computers -- no telnet, no ftp, no rsh. I would like to be able to  
> copy data from one PC to the other. What's the most secure service  
> I can  use for occasional data transfer between the two PCs? Thanks 

> for any advice.
I would install ssh on each box and then use rsync over ssh to move  
files. If you configure ssh to allow RSA logins then you wouldn't  
even need to enter your username and password each time. It's a great 

way to script automatic backups.

I agree with Tim, and I wrote this to keep me from forgetting the
details:
  http://www.jdmz.net/ssh/
Good luck,
Troy




From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 30 14:09:19 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug@freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:09:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD64 compiling probs
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601301407320.25814@Rooster>

Hey guys,

I'm trying to build some stuff on a debian/amd64 machine. I keep getting 
this:

/usr/bin/ld: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local 
symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC


This happens even when -fPIC /is/ in fact used... anyone have any ideas?


-Yaron

--


From ltordsen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 14:39:08 2006
From: ltordsen at gmail.com (Larry Tordsen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:39:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD64 compiling probs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601301407320.25814@Rooster>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601301407320.25814@Rooster>
Message-ID: <6888eb940601301239r5af754fdjc7b90c56f1bafe5e@mail.gmail.com>

maybe the -shared flag, too.  not sure

On 1/30/06, tclug at freakzilla.com <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm trying to build some stuff on a debian/amd64 machine. I keep getting
> this:
>
> /usr/bin/ld: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local
> symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
>
>
> This happens even when -fPIC /is/ in fact used... anyone have any ideas?
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 30 14:49:05 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug@freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:49:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD64 compiling probs
In-Reply-To: <6888eb940601301239r5af754fdjc7b90c56f1bafe5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601301407320.25814@Rooster>
	<6888eb940601301239r5af754fdjc7b90c56f1bafe5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0601301448160.25814@Rooster>

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Larry Tordsen wrote:

> maybe the -shared flag, too.  not sure

Yeah, that's in there too. I think it's more a matter of me missing some 
kinda 32-bit compatibility thing...


-Yaron

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jan 30 15:42:26 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:42:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Upcoming TCLUG Meeting (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0601301541140.11454@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

I accidentally sent this to the announce list.  Clay said he'll be working 
on the installfest idea later, but they are hard to arrange, which makes a 
lot of sense to me.  --Mike


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:27:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
To: Clay Fandre <clay at fandre.com>
Cc: tclug-announce at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-announce] Upcoming TCLUG Meeting

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Clay Fandre wrote:

> Greetings fellow TCLUG'ers. It has been far too long since our last 
> meeting so let's try to get things rolling again. First of all, we will 
> not be having a meeting this Saturday (Feb 4th). I do have the room 
> scheduled for Feb 11th from noon-2pm, but as of right now that is 
> tentative.


Is there any chance we might have another instalfest one of these months? 
I can't contribute much expertise, but I could show up with my son and 
hang out.

Mike


From tanner at mn-linux.org  Tue Jan 31 08:39:33 2006
From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:39:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
In-Reply-To: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
References: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
Message-ID: <200601310839.34303.tanner@mn-linux.org>

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 09:46, Nate Straz wrote:
> Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
> has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
> this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse at btopenworld.com, not
> sure if that is a good email address yet or not.

Can you send complete smtp headers to support at real-time.com?

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
http://www.linuxjustworks.com             | Linux Just Works!         
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288


From tanner at mn-linux.org  Tue Jan 31 08:42:27 2006
From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:42:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <27954.192.28.2.52.1137522775.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <28670.192.28.2.52.1137515690.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
	<43CD250A.5000508@cruiskeen.com>
	<27954.192.28.2.52.1137522775.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <200601310842.27521.tanner@mn-linux.org>

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 12:32, Chris Schumann wrote:
> Turns out that's close. Users of my server do not have login accounts:
> They have only inboxes. Spamassassin appears to be running for root, but
> not other users. Hmmmmm.

What MTA are you using?


How is SA being connected to the MTA?

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
http://www.linuxjustworks.com             | Linux Just Works!         
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288


From tanner at mn-linux.org  Tue Jan 31 08:51:08 2006
From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:51:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
Message-ID: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>

Maybe third time will be the charm?

Current web site is static and entry into making changes "high". So, I put up 
Zope in the hope of getting more community involment. It totally flopped.

Got a couple volunteers to help with Zope and get a framework in place, but it 
again totally flopped.

So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal. Comments?

Any other CMS we should be looking at?

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
http://www.linuxjustworks.com             | Linux Just Works!         
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288


From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 09:45:56 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
Message-ID: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>

Swear to Dog, all the dependencies listed in the readme are met, but I bog
out during configure.  Here's the message:

---
checking for GDESKLETS... configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0>=
2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were not met.  Consider
adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software
in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively you may set the GDESKLETS_CFLAGS and GDESKLETS_LIBS
environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the
pkg-config man page for more details.
---

Anyway, n00b warning here.  If you have advice, please have mercy and put it
in little words.

best!
-pete
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Jan 31 10:00:33 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:00:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org> 
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20060131160033.5A72A2AEB@skuld.wookimus.net>

Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>  wrote:
> So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal.
> Comments?

Seems to be a mature PHP site.

> Any other CMS we should be looking at?

Do we really need a CMS?  I'm starting to think something like
MoinMoin or Twiki would be sufficient.  It doesn't appears that anyone
really wants to administrate the site, and a Wiki would be a (very)
low barrier of entry.

We run MoinMoin at CBS, and we're pretty happy with it. Lots of
plugins/modules and pretty mature.  UMN's Office for InfoTech just
installed a U-wide Twiki instance which they liked for it's plethora
of modules/plugins and its maturity.

The driving goal here, I think, it to have a community maintained site
without unnecessarily exposing it to vandalism.  Do we want to simply
disseminate information, or are you interested in providing other
tools: slashdot articles, forums, etc.

I suppose we already have few custom apps on the tclug site: a
classifieds program, the member database, and polling.  Are we looking
to replace any of these?  Tie them in?  Are they PHP?  Perl?  Python?

In any case, whatever makes Bob's life easier sounds good to me.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From tanner at mn-linux.org  Tue Jan 31 10:10:14 2006
From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:10:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <20060131160033.5A72A2AEB@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
	<20060131160033.5A72A2AEB@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <200601311010.14962.tanner@mn-linux.org>

On Tuesday 31 January 2006 10:00, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> We run MoinMoin at CBS, and we're pretty happy with it. Lots of
> plugins/modules and pretty mature. ?UMN's Office for InfoTech just
> installed a U-wide Twiki instance which they liked for it's plethora
> of modules/plugins and its maturity.

I thought a wiki would be to much of a simplified interface. 
-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
http://www.linuxjustworks.com             | Linux Just Works!         
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288


From eric at vangyzen.net  Tue Jan 31 10:23:35 2006
From: eric at vangyzen.net (Eric van Gyzen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:23:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DF8F07.8040402@vangyzen.net>

Pete Daniels wrote:
> Swear to Dog, all the dependencies listed in the readme are met, but I bog
> out during configure.  Here's the message:
> 
> ---
> checking for GDESKLETS... configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0>=
> 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were not met.  Consider
> adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software
> in a non-standard prefix.
> 
> Alternatively you may set the GDESKLETS_CFLAGS and GDESKLETS_LIBS
> environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the
> pkg-config man page for more details.
> ---

Check the config.log file; it's in the same directory as the configure 
script.  It will be huge.  Start at the bottom, and read backwards.  It 
should contain more descriptive error messages from configure's 
sub-programs.

Also, we might be more able to help if you tell us more about your 
environment, especially your distribution.

Cheers,

Eric


From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Tue Jan 31 10:28:33 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:28:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <mailman.119.1138722462.11663.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.119.1138722462.11663.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <34366.192.28.2.52.1138724913.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:42:27 -0600
> From: Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org>

> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 12:32, Chris Schumann wrote:
>> Turns out that's close. Users of my server do not have login accounts:
>> They have only inboxes. Spamassassin appears to be running for root,
>> but not other users. Hmmmmm.

> What MTA are you using?

> How is SA being connected to the MTA?

Sendmail is the MTA. Outgoing (of course) and incoming to Cyrus.

Connecting. Hmm. I'm not as strong in this area as I'd like to be, so it
looks like sendmail.mc uses procmail. Further, mail from outside is not
allowed to go to root (as it has no cyrus inbox), so maybe nothing at all
is connecting SA to sendmail.

I don't remember seeing instructions on how to link them.

Chris Schumann





From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 10:29:42 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:29:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <43DF8F07.8040402@vangyzen.net>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DF8F07.8040402@vangyzen.net>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0601310829s6c0d8377oe34864d40cd54179@mail.gmail.com>

Good advice, thank you.

I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 with Gnome.  I can probably answer more questions if
you need more information, but understand that I'm at work, so the specs
aren't in front of me.

best!
-pete

On 1/31/06, Eric van Gyzen <eric at vangyzen.net> wrote:
>
> Pete Daniels wrote:
> > Swear to Dog, all the dependencies listed in the readme are met, but I
> bog
> > out during configure.  Here's the message:
> >
> > ---
> > checking for GDESKLETS... configure: error: Package requirements (
> pygtk-2.0>=
> > 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were not
> met.  Consider
> > adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed
> software
> > in a non-standard prefix.
> >
> > Alternatively you may set the GDESKLETS_CFLAGS and GDESKLETS_LIBS
> > environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the
> > pkg-config man page for more details.
> > ---
>
> Check the config.log file; it's in the same directory as the configure
> script.  It will be huge.  Start at the bottom, and read backwards.  It
> should contain more descriptive error messages from configure's
> sub-programs.
>
> Also, we might be more able to help if you tell us more about your
> environment, especially your distribution.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Eric
>
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Tue Jan 31 10:42:09 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:42:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0601310829s6c0d8377oe34864d40cd54179@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>	<43DF8F07.8040402@vangyzen.net>
	<1f729feb0601310829s6c0d8377oe34864d40cd54179@mail.gmail.com>
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Pete Daniels wrote:
> Good advice, thank you.
> 
> I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 with Gnome.  I can probably answer more
> questions if you need more information, but understand that I'm at work,
> so the specs aren't in front of me.

You did install the "-dev" packages of the dependencies, right?
(starting with the simplest possibility)

- --
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug
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From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 10:45:49 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:45:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <43DF9361.9020804@druswanderings.net>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DF8F07.8040402@vangyzen.net>
	<1f729feb0601310829s6c0d8377oe34864d40cd54179@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DF9361.9020804@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0601310845t27f19079n3279c33b2d10dbcf@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I did.  (although it took a second pass through the dependency list to
figure it out...)

On 1/31/06, The Wandering Dru <dru at druswanderings.net> wrote:
>
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> Pete Daniels wrote:
> > Good advice, thank you.
> >
> > I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 with Gnome.  I can probably answer more
> > questions if you need more information, but understand that I'm at work,
> > so the specs aren't in front of me.
>
> You did install the "-dev" packages of the dependencies, right?
> (starting with the simplest possibility)
>
> - --
> The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
> http://www.druswanderings.net
>
> Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
> http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug
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From tclug at steamedpenguin.com  Tue Jan 31 11:48:50 2006
From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:48:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <200601311148.50201.tclug@steamedpenguin.com>

On Tuesday 31 January 2006 08:51, Bob Tanner wrote:

> So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal. Comments?
>
> Any other CMS we should be looking at?

I'd pitch WordPress as a CMS.

It is easy to integrate stuff into. Really easy to add external or partially 
managed content external to the CMS. User management is easy as well.

However, I would caution against using WordPress 2.x.x and instead opt for 
WordPress 1.5.2 since it currently has no vulnerabilities open against it and 
is apt to be stable for a long time.

-- 
Samir M. Nassar
http://steamedpenguin.com/


From admin at lctn.org  Tue Jan 31 11:48:54 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:48:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] where is that boot disk?
Message-ID: <40832.64.8.149.194.1138729734.squirrel@lctn.org>

I used to have a Linux based boot floppy that gave you a menu option which
allowed you to boot any PC via the CD drive. I cannot seem to find it in
the hundreds of boot disk out there. Anyone have the link to it?


Raymond


From scotjenkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 11:58:46 2006
From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:58:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <a22a1f920601310958p7736a154lb82545a08d201ed6@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/31/06, Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org> wrote:
> Maybe third time will be the charm?
>
> Current web site is static and entry into making changes "high". So, I put up
> Zope in the hope of getting more community involment. It totally flopped.
>
> Got a couple volunteers to help with Zope and get a framework in place, but it
> again totally flopped.
>
> So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal. Comments?

Drupal is great for community-based websites.  The local PHP user
group's site uses it.
http://tcphp.org/

Keep in mind it's not the technology but the _people_ who make the
website what it is.  No matter what tool you use, if no one bothers to
participate the website will always flop.  This is a problem amongst
any user group.  Everyone want's a cool website using the latest tools
but no one is willing to put in the time to keep it up to date.

scot


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Tue Jan 31 12:08:47 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:08:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
In-Reply-To: <a22a1f920601310958p7736a154lb82545a08d201ed6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200601310851.08870.tanner@mn-linux.org>
	<a22a1f920601310958p7736a154lb82545a08d201ed6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060131180847.GB32444@www.ewilts.org>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:58:46AM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote:
> On 1/31/06, Bob Tanner <tanner at mn-linux.org> wrote:
> > Maybe third time will be the charm?
> >
> > Current web site is static and entry into making changes "high". So, I put up
> > Zope in the hope of getting more community involment. It totally flopped.
> >
> > Got a couple volunteers to help with Zope and get a framework in place, but it
> > again totally flopped.
> >
> > So, I'm back :-) Pitching a CMS for tclug, this time Drupal. Comments?
> 
> Drupal is great for community-based websites.  The local PHP user
> group's site uses it.
> http://tcphp.org/

I developed the web site for a Minnesota-based charity, Bundles Of Love,
using Drupal.  It took me a little while to get the hang of it, but now
it's trivial to keep up to date.  I am the only one actually entering
content though.  http://www.bundlesoflove.org

> Keep in mind it's not the technology but the _people_ who make the
> website what it is.  No matter what tool you use, if no one bothers to
> participate the website will always flop.  This is a problem amongst
> any user group.  Everyone want's a cool website using the latest tools
> but no one is willing to put in the time to keep it up to date.

You've hit this bang on - I've seen this many, many times.  It started
back in the paper newsletter days and continued to the web site days.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From silwenae at silwenae.com  Tue Jan 31 13:10:41 2006
From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:10:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>

Is there any reason you need 0.35.3?

Using the Automatix script from the Ubuntuforms.org on Ubuntu 5.10,
0.35.2 works perfectly.

Paul

Pete Daniels wrote:

> Swear to Dog, all the dependencies listed in the readme are met, but I
> bog out during configure.  Here's the message:
>
> ---
> checking for GDESKLETS... configure: error: Package requirements
> (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were
> not met.  Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
> if you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>
> Alternatively you may set the GDESKLETS_CFLAGS and GDESKLETS_LIBS
> environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the
> pkg-config man page for more details.
> ---
>
> Anyway, n00b warning here.  If you have advice, please have mercy and
> put it in little words.
>
> best!
> -pete
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>



From nate at refried.org  Tue Jan 31 13:10:48 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:10:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recent spam
In-Reply-To: <200601310839.34303.tanner@mn-linux.org>
References: <20060117154611.GC30612@refried.org>
	<200601310839.34303.tanner@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20060131191048.GA25372@refried.org>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:39:33AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 09:46, Nate Straz wrote:
> > Is anyone else getting a bunch of spam coming from btopenworld.com that
> > has a "From" of tclug-list?  I've had at least a dozen over night and
> > this morning.  I've forwarded the messages to abuse at btopenworld.com, not
> > sure if that is a good email address yet or not.
> 
> Can you send complete smtp headers to support at real-time.com?

Sorry, didn't keep any around.  I haven't seen any more in over a week.

Nate


From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 13:50:36 2006
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:50:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0601311150y64467ca1k3555f700409c428b@mail.gmail.com>

I have 0.35.2, but it gives me problems with SideCandy desklets and having
multiples of a desklet (more than one application launcher, for instance).
I suppose if I'm willing to wait a few months, 0.35.3 will be ready for the
Dapper release, but I've never been a patient man.

On 1/31/06, Paul Cutler <silwenae at silwenae.com> wrote:
>
> Is there any reason you need 0.35.3?
>
> Using the Automatix script from the Ubuntuforms.org on Ubuntu 5.10,
> 0.35.2 works perfectly.
>
> Paul
>
> Pete Daniels wrote:
>
> > Swear to Dog, all the dependencies listed in the readme are met, but I
> > bog out during configure.  Here's the message:
> >
> > ---
> > checking for GDESKLETS... configure: error: Package requirements
> > (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were
> > not met.  Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
> > if you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> >
> > Alternatively you may set the GDESKLETS_CFLAGS and GDESKLETS_LIBS
> > environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the
> > pkg-config man page for more details.
> > ---
> >
> > Anyway, n00b warning here.  If you have advice, please have mercy and
> > put it in little words.
> >
> > best!
> > -pete
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >
> >
>
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Tue Jan 31 14:31:11 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:31:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problems compiling gDesklets 0.35.3
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0601311150y64467ca1k3555f700409c428b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f729feb0601310745m48a03b41g8ebf90ea43b23153@mail.gmail.com>	<43DFB631.2060201@silwenae.com>
	<1f729feb0601311150y64467ca1k3555f700409c428b@mail.gmail.com>
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Pete Daniels wrote:
> I have 0.35.2, but it gives me problems with SideCandy desklets and
> having multiples of a desklet (more than one application launcher, for
> instance).  I suppose if I'm willing to wait a few months, 0.35.3 will
> be ready for the Dapper release, but I've never been a patient man.
> 

Apparently the README assumes you have a full gnome development setup.
This should do ya...

$ sudo apt-get install liborbit2-dev libgnomeui-dev


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From seehow at iphouse.com  Tue Jan 31 14:39:34 2006
From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:39:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DBAN disk wiper
Message-ID: <1138739974.1301.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I got ahold of an old pc that has a bunch of some one elses personal
stuff on it.  I decided to wip the drive and got a utility called DBAN
off source forge.  It's suposed to scrambe the contents.  I used it, but
the log file said it didn't do anything, it was too short a period of
time anyways I noticed.  Now the BIOS doesn't see the drive.  I had a
similar problem when trying to do a low level format on an old Connor
drive.  I assumed that the company that bought Connor had the formater
rigged.  Some how something on the disk was changed, it's not trash, I
still want to use it.  Does anyone know anything about this sort of
situation?  It's a western digital caviar drive, 6.4GB.  I've already
tried manualy entering in the c/h/s.  The bios acts like there is no
disk hooked up.



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Jan 31 14:54:02 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:54:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200601312054.k0VKs2S29860@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Buy

Subject: RAM for Mac Mini

I have a Mac Mini running Gentoo which is in need of more RAM  (1G). If you're familiar with the Mini's, they only have one RAM slot that came with a 512MB PC 2700 stick. I would have this and a 512MB DDR 2100 stick. Is their anyone here willing to trade/partial trade $$ for a 1G stick? In case you may wonder, I did do research and noted that they are not overly expensive, ranging from $140 to $200. But, I am a student without a job with a little money to invest. If you are interested please let me know.


Thank you,

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Seller Email address: lnewago at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From auditodd at comcast.net  Tue Jan 31 15:06:23 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:06:23 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] DBAN disk wiper
Message-ID: <013120062106.11577.43DFD14E000B5F6600002D3922070206530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

Couple things....
First, have you tried changing around it's position on the IDE cable and/or the Slave/Master jumper? You might also try another HD on the IDE channel to make sure it's not a dead IDE channel. 

Second, one hard drive tool I love to use is BootIT Next Generation. You can download the floppy creator from their web site and as I understand it, as long as you aren't installing the tool on the hard drive, you do not have to license the tools. You can used it for wipe or partitioning.

Third, I have used DBAN, but found something I like better. IBM Secure Data Disposal. 
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=TVAN-SDD

Hmmm, version 1.3, maybe I'll update since I'm using v1.2 (you will need a Windows computer to install the program which creates the floppy).

BootIT NG can also perform a "secure" wipe of a hard drive. The IBM tool performs the wipe to DOD standards (5x) while the BootIT NG wants to perform 35x wipe, but you can stop it at any time. 

--
----
------
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Christopher Howard <seehow at iphouse.com>
> I got ahold of an old pc that has a bunch of some one elses personal
> stuff on it.  I decided to wip the drive and got a utility called DBAN
> off source forge.  It's suposed to scrambe the contents.  I used it, but
> the log file said it didn't do anything, it was too short a period of
> time anyways I noticed.  Now the BIOS doesn't see the drive.  I had a
> similar problem when trying to do a low level format on an old Connor
> drive.  I assumed that the company that bought Connor had the formater
> rigged.  Some how something on the disk was changed, it's not trash, I
> still want to use it.  Does anyone know anything about this sort of
> situation?  It's a western digital caviar drive, 6.4GB.  I've already
> tried manualy entering in the c/h/s.  The bios acts like there is no
> disk hooked up.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From auditodd at comcast.net  Tue Jan 31 15:12:11 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:12:11 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] where is that boot disk?
Message-ID: <013120062112.20813.43DFD2AB0009DA650000514D22070206530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

Smart Boot Manager
http://btmgr.webframe.org/

--
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------
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org>
> I used to have a Linux based boot floppy that gave you a menu option which
> allowed you to boot any PC via the CD drive. I cannot seem to find it in
> the hundreds of boot disk out there. Anyone have the link to it?
> 
> 
> Raymond
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 15:17:23 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:17:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DBAN disk wiper
In-Reply-To: <1138739974.1301.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1138739974.1301.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0601311317kba70f52y872ade9a64ca3085@mail.gmail.com>

I've used DBAN before, several hundred times, in fact to whip the
contents of drives before sending old systems to the recycler.
Unfortunately, I've never had a system do that before. DBAN's default
behavior is to write "0" over each sector on it's first pass, write
'1' on each sector on it's second pass, and write "0" or "1" on each
sector on it's third pass. I don't know why that would prevent the
bios from detecting the drive though.

I'd suggest trying to flash the bios of the machine and see if it
recognizes the drive with a newer "brainstem".



On 1/31/06, Christopher Howard <seehow at iphouse.com> wrote:
> I got ahold of an old pc that has a bunch of some one elses personal
> stuff on it.  I decided to wip the drive and got a utility called DBAN
> off source forge.  It's suposed to scrambe the contents.  I used it, but
> the log file said it didn't do anything, it was too short a period of
> time anyways I noticed.  Now the BIOS doesn't see the drive.  I had a
> similar problem when trying to do a low level format on an old Connor
> drive.  I assumed that the company that bought Connor had the formater
> rigged.  Some how something on the disk was changed, it's not trash, I
> still want to use it.  Does anyone know anything about this sort of
> situation?  It's a western digital caviar drive, 6.4GB.  I've already
> tried manualy entering in the c/h/s.  The bios acts like there is no
> disk hooked up.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


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From dfeldman at macalester.edu  Tue Jan 31 15:20:39 2006
From: dfeldman at macalester.edu (dfeldman@macalester.edu)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:20:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] mn-linux.org -> CMS, Drupal, Zope?
Message-ID: <13049009.1138742439954.JavaMail.oracle@ocs-1.macalester.edu>

Drupal is pretty good. Be prepared to tear your hair out if you're used to object-oriented design -- Drupal is built around a system of hooks, and you make a new module by implementing some of those hooks. So you can't easily derive functionality from any of the built-in objects. And everything is extremely closely tied to the database. But if you can swallow any software-design principles you might have, it does work.

(I do the Web site for Macalester College's student newspaper using Drupal.)

Zope is very sophisticated and extremely difficult to learn, so I didn't. It uses a built-in database system that's a   tricky to get the hang of, and it has its own internal language for doing page templates like PHP. It's pretty good stuff, but probably overkill unless you have a lot of people simultaneously working on a very complicated site. 

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From seehow at iphouse.com  Tue Jan 31 17:23:36 2006
From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:23:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DBAN disk wiper
In-Reply-To: <1138739974.1301.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1138739974.1301.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1138749816.1570.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:39 -0600, Christopher Howard wrote:
> I got ahold of an old pc that has a bunch of some one elses personal
> stuff on it.  I decided to wip the drive and got a utility called DBAN
> off source forge.  It's suposed to scrambe the contents.  I used it, but
> the log file said it didn't do anything, it was too short a period of
> time anyways I noticed.  Now the BIOS doesn't see the drive.  I had a
> similar problem when trying to do a low level format on an old Connor
> drive.  I assumed that the company that bought Connor had the formater
> rigged.  Some how something on the disk was changed, it's not trash, I
> still want to use it.  Does anyone know anything about this sort of
> situation?  It's a western digital caviar drive, 6.4GB.  I've already
> tried manualy entering in the c/h/s.  The bios acts like there is no
> disk hooked up.

OK, I feel stupid now.  I had checked all the cables, they were fine.
The drive is in a removable drive mount and it wasn't pushed in all the
way.  It was never wiped.  The old Windows system booted up fine.  I'll
go away now...



From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 17:39:14 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:39:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
Message-ID: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Okay, when I use a malloc or alloca, I'm grabbing heap
memory, but if I just initialize a variable, array,
etc. and fill it with stuff, I'm using stack
"automatic" memory, right? But of course a malloc
inside a function uses heap. And in general if you
don't know or have big memory needs, use heap memory,
right?



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From florin at iucha.net  Tue Jan 31 17:49:55 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:49:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060131234955.GS2191@iucha.net>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 03:39:14PM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Okay, when I use a malloc or alloca, I'm grabbing heap
> memory,

"alloca" allocates space on the stack, not on the heap.

>         but if I just initialize a variable, array,
> etc. and fill it with stuff, I'm using stack
> "automatic" memory, right?

If you _declare_ and initialize a variable inside a function, you are
allocating it on the stack.

>                            But of course a malloc
> inside a function uses heap. And in general if you
> don't know or have big memory needs, use heap memory,
> right?

I have lost you here. What is the question?

florin

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From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 31 20:57:45 2006
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:57:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] where is that boot disk
Message-ID: <1138762665.5407.3.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>

Is it Smart Boot Manager? Check it out at http://btmgr.webframe.org/.

*********************
I used to have a Linux based boot floppy that gave you a menu option
which
        allowed you to boot any PC via the CD drive. I cannot seem to
        find it in
        the hundreds of boot disk out there. Anyone have the link to it?
        
        
        Raymond
        



From admin at lctn.org  Tue Jan 31 21:05:46 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:05:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] where is that boot disk
In-Reply-To: <1138762665.5407.3.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>
References: <1138762665.5407.3.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>
Message-ID: <53722.204.212.34.10.1138763146.squirrel@lctn.org>

That's the one.



> Is it Smart Boot Manager? Check it out at http://btmgr.webframe.org/.
>
> *********************



From seg at haxxed.com  Tue Jan 31 21:41:55 2006
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:41:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk thrashing bot?
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb570601252022u5b7a104bl1d9447479e84c108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060126031331.42464.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee2fcb570601252022u5b7a104bl1d9447479e84c108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1138765316.5961.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I bet its prelink.
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 22:28:34 2006
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] size objdump discrepency
Message-ID: <20060201042834.21540.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I have a simple program...

#include <stdio.h>
   
int main(void)
{
   printf("hello world\n");
   return 0;
}

and compile it to object (gcc -c...) then run size and
objdump on them

$ gcc -W -Wall -c hello_world-1.c
$ gcc -o hello_world-1  hello_world-1.o

$ size hello_world-1 hello_world-1.o 
   text   data   bss    dec   hex   filename
    916    256     4   1176   498   hello_world-1
     48      0     0     48    30   hello_world-1.o

and

$ objdump -h hello_world-1.o 
   
   hello_world-1.o:     file format elf32-i386
   
   Sections:
   Idx Name          Size      VMA       LMA      
File off  Algn
     0 .text         00000023  00000000  00000000 
00000034  2**2
                     CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, RELOC,
READONLY, CODE
     1 .data         00000000  00000000  00000000 
00000058  2**2
                     CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, DATA
     2 .bss          00000000  00000000  00000000 
00000058  2**2
                     ALLOC
     3 .rodata       0000000d  00000000  00000000 
00000058  2**0
                     CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, READONLY,
DATA
     4 .note.GNU-stack 00000000  00000000  00000000 
00000065  2**0
                     CONTENTS, READONLY
     5 .comment      0000001b  00000000  00000000 
00000065  2**0
                     CONTENTS, READONLY


You see that objdump object file says text is size 23,
while size says it's 48. There's a 25 byte
discrepency. Why? It seems to be the exact size of the
entire printf... line in the code (plus a \0?). Any ideas?

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From ltordsen at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 23:07:07 2006
From: ltordsen at gmail.com (Larry Tordsen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:07:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie C memory questions
In-Reply-To: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060131233914.35598.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1138770427.7457.29.camel@linux.site>

Basically, you use malloc when you dont know how big of an area of
memory you need.  The compiler  allots some memory for your program when
it is compiled.  If your program steps over the boundry, you get your
friendly 'segmentation fault' error.  You can use realloc to reallocate
your array if you approach the size of your initial region.  I think
posix says the contents are indeterminate (its changed between c89 and
c99), but i've never seen a compiler handle the realloc in an
undesireable way (ie you lose the values from your previous malloc).

I hope that is clear enough.

On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 15:39 -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
> Okay, when I use a malloc or alloca, I'm grabbing heap
> memory, but if I just initialize a variable, array,
> etc. and fill it with stuff, I'm using stack
> "automatic" memory, right? But of course a malloc
> inside a function uses heap. And in general if you
> don't know or have big memory needs, use heap memory,
> right?
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 23:27:05 2006
From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:27:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] size objdump discrepency
In-Reply-To: <20060201042834.21540.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060201042834.21540.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dbe795460601312127s12599374w4d9c3b20d2eb6328@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/31/06, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> $ size hello_world-1 hello_world-1.o
>    text   data   bss    dec   hex   filename
>     916    256     4   1176   498   hello_world-1
>      48      0     0     48    30   hello_world-1.o
>
> $ objdump -h hello_world-1.o
>
>    hello_world-1.o:     file format elf32-i386
>
>    Sections:
>    Idx Name          Size      VMA       LMA
> File off  Algn
>      0 .text         00000023  00000000  00000000
> 00000034  2**2
>                      CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, RELOC,
> READONLY, CODE
>      1 .data         00000000  00000000  00000000
> 00000058  2**2
>                      CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, DATA
>      2 .bss          00000000  00000000  00000000
> 00000058  2**2
>                      ALLOC
>      3 .rodata       0000000d  00000000  00000000
> 00000058  2**0
>                      CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, READONLY,
> DATA
>      4 .note.GNU-stack 00000000  00000000  00000000
> 00000065  2**0
>                      CONTENTS, READONLY
>      5 .comment      0000001b  00000000  00000000
> 00000065  2**0
>                      CONTENTS, READONLY
>
>
> You see that objdump object file says text is size 23,
> while size says it's 48. There's a 25 byte
> discrepency. Why? It seems to be the exact size of the
> entire printf... line in the code (plus a \0?). Any ideas?


size is listing the text size in base 10.  objdump is listing it in base
16.  Also objdump is using more finely grained categories. So the 48 bytes
of text in size have become 0x23 bytes in .text and 0xd bytes in .rodata,
which conveniently enough, adds up to 0x30 hex, which is 48 bytes.  Someone
that knows more about it/has had to care at some point, can explain why the
size/bytes are where they are according to size and objdump.

leif
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