From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 05:34:56 2006
From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:34:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/30/06, Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, that was a bit rude of me, merely linking to the info and not
> talking about it on the list.
>
> I'm using OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu with Sun's version of Java. It's
> the most current version of everything as packaged for Ubuntu (so,
> like, 1-month old)
>
> The kicker is that the main query/form in the linked database below
> ('Scanned') works beautifully. I just can't replicate that anywhere
> else, and need to.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>                -jordan
>

I think the crux of your problem is you're using a barely out of beta
1.0 of a database product.  See
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=38660  it fails to do
a common mail merge.  EVEN Ms Office can do that.  Oh, I know, "at
least he has access to the source code"


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul  1 10:13:54 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:13:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com>
	<307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Ryan wrote:

> On 6/30/06, Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, that was a bit rude of me, merely linking to the info and not
>> talking about it on the list.
>>
>> I'm using OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu with Sun's version of Java. It's
>> the most current version of everything as packaged for Ubuntu (so,
>> like, 1-month old)
>>
>> The kicker is that the main query/form in the linked database below
>> ('Scanned') works beautifully. I just can't replicate that anywhere
>> else, and need to.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>>                -jordan
>>
>
> I think the crux of your problem is you're using a barely out of beta
> 1.0 of a database product.  See
> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=38660  it fails to do
> a common mail merge.  EVEN Ms Office can do that.  Oh, I know, "at
> least he has access to the source code"


Good one.  ;-)

It's good to know at least this much about where OO currently stands. 
The integration of the database with the word processor is a very 
important thing.  Once they get that working and stable, they'll have a 
really nice product for small businesses.  That will be really huge and 
I'm looking forward to it.

Mike


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 10:45:18 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:45:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com>
	<307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250607010845t77402f89jfcbab273eafd1008@mail.gmail.com>

So....in other words, suck it up or try something else?

That's a pissy bug.

I'm downloading the bleeding-edge version, to see if anything's
different at all. I'll report back if things work/not work.

Thanks
                 -jordan

On 7/1/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Ryan wrote:
>
> > On 6/30/06, Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sorry, that was a bit rude of me, merely linking to the info and not
> >> talking about it on the list.
> >>
> >> I'm using OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu with Sun's version of Java. It's
> >> the most current version of everything as packaged for Ubuntu (so,
> >> like, 1-month old)
> >>
> >> The kicker is that the main query/form in the linked database below
> >> ('Scanned') works beautifully. I just can't replicate that anywhere
> >> else, and need to.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >>
> >>                -jordan
> >>
> >
> > I think the crux of your problem is you're using a barely out of beta
> > 1.0 of a database product.  See
> > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=38660  it fails to do
> > a common mail merge.  EVEN Ms Office can do that.  Oh, I know, "at
> > least he has access to the source code"
>
>
> Good one.  ;-)
>
> It's good to know at least this much about where OO currently stands.
> The integration of the database with the word processor is a very
> important thing.  Once they get that working and stable, they'll have a
> really nice product for small businesses.  That will be really huge and
> I'm looking forward to it.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul  1 11:58:32 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:58:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607010845t77402f89jfcbab273eafd1008@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<bada98250607010845t77402f89jfcbab273eafd1008@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011143520.7236@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> So....in other words, suck it up or try something else?
>
> That's a pissy bug.
>
> I'm downloading the bleeding-edge version, to see if anything's 
> different at all. I'll report back if things work/not work.

Great.  Of course you can't fix a bug unless you know how to program 
(probably extremely well in this case) and even then it would take a long 
time to get into the code well enough to figure it out.  You can contact 
the OO people to see what's going on.  You can hire someone to do the 
work for you, but that seems pretty expensive.

With Microsoft bugs it would often be worse.  They could make you wait 
until they came out with a new version and then make you pay for it.

I think the basic issue here is that either the OO Base program is not 
fully developed and ready for widespread use, or the integration of Base 
with Writer is not ready.  I guess you'll just have to wait.

Mike


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 19:57:28 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:57:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011143520.7236@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com>
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com>
	<307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<bada98250607010845t77402f89jfcbab273eafd1008@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011143520.7236@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250607011757o5e468f1bn5468118c740d8aae@mail.gmail.com>

When you right-click>Edit a Form, and then right-click>Form on the
actual Form portion, there comes up all the necessary options to
change things; and they work!

Thus endeth the problem. Thank you anyway (perhaps Base is slightly
more production ready than first thought)

             -jordan

On 7/1/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>
> > So....in other words, suck it up or try something else?
> >
> > That's a pissy bug.
> >
> > I'm downloading the bleeding-edge version, to see if anything's
> > different at all. I'll report back if things work/not work.
>
> Great.  Of course you can't fix a bug unless you know how to program
> (probably extremely well in this case) and even then it would take a long
> time to get into the code well enough to figure it out.  You can contact
> the OO people to see what's going on.  You can hire someone to do the
> work for you, but that seems pretty expensive.
>
> With Microsoft bugs it would often be worse.  They could make you wait
> until they came out with a new version and then make you pay for it.
>
> I think the basic issue here is that either the OO Base program is not
> fully developed and ready for widespread use, or the integration of Base
> with Writer is not ready.  I guess you'll just have to wait.
>
> Mike
>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Jul  2 00:14:44 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:14:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bizarre OpenOffice Base problems
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607011757o5e468f1bn5468118c740d8aae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250606301309s2399897ej1fba44053eb4542b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<bada98250606301311n764cb5e2le9abb31222c6106d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<307a337f0607010334h58ffaed2qca4f4148dc44afdb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011006440.4107@taxa.epi.umn.edu> 
	<bada98250607010845t77402f89jfcbab273eafd1008@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607011143520.7236@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<bada98250607011757o5e468f1bn5468118c740d8aae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607020014170.3970@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> When you right-click>Edit a Form, and then right-click>Form on the 
> actual Form portion, there comes up all the necessary options to change 
> things; and they work!
>
> Thus endeth the problem. Thank you anyway (perhaps Base is slightly more 
> production ready than first thought)


You don't have problems with slowness and memory usage?

Mike


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Jul  2 09:14:49 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:14:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] printing and gnome
Message-ID: <1151849689.6514.5.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

In KDE I can use kprinter to print from any application that may or may
not be a KDE application.  Does anyone know the equivalent command for
gnome that brings up the gnome print dialog?

Thanks.


________________________________________________________________________
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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
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From clindholm at bigfoot.com  Sat Jul  1 09:36:38 2006
From: clindholm at bigfoot.com (Carl Lindholm)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:36:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] zip drive that won't mount
Message-ID: <44A68876.6020408@bigfoot.com>

I have a zip drive that mounted fine until i rebooted now i a get "it's 
not a block device" is there a way to  recover and mount the drive?. 
last backup was mid May :>( . any help greatly appreciated.
Bob and Nate how are you? been a while.


From slushpupie at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 11:12:50 2006
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:12:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] zip drive that won't mount
In-Reply-To: <44A68876.6020408@bigfoot.com>
References: <44A68876.6020408@bigfoot.com>
Message-ID: <ace41e70607030912h78b0c083j5327a20ee6555ce2@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/1/06, Carl Lindholm <clindholm at bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I have a zip drive that mounted fine until i rebooted now i a get "it's
> not a block device" is there a way to  recover and mount the drive?.
> last backup was mid May :>( . any help greatly appreciated.

Does anything interesting show up in dmesg? Is this an IDE SCSI USB or
ParallelPort Zip drive?

-- 
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 09:04:18 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:04:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] zip drive that won't mount
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0607050703q168817bcm8bd4f99f5f54624f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44A68876.6020408@bigfoot.com>
	<914f813c0607031230n1d88ed14o38ff083cf0696780@mail.gmail.com>
	<44A9D15F.804@bigfoot.com>
	<914f813c0607032233j634eb1d5h1f8657a1f3c76055@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AA78DB.5000000@bigfoot.com>
	<914f813c0607050703q168817bcm8bd4f99f5f54624f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <914f813c0607050704s11b4bd8cl96f0ff3c0df491ac@mail.gmail.com>

(posting to list with previous messages to see if anyone else has
better ideas than mine)

> > On 7/1/06, Carl Lindholm <clindholm at bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> I have a zip drive that mounted fine until i rebooted now i a get "it's
> >> not a block device" is there a way to  recover and mount the drive?.
> >> last backup was mid May :>( . any help greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I have
> > several old zip drives in my basement if you wanted to try another
> > drive to see if that made a difference. I *think* they're all Zip100s,
> > but one may be a Zip250, all parallel. Let me know and we can try to
> > arrange an exchange.

On 7/4/06, Carl Lindholm <clindholm at bigfoot.com> wrote:
> John T. Hoffoss wrote:
> > On 7/3/06, Carl Lindholm <clindholm at bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >> thanks for the device. I can mount other disks 100's but not this one. I
> >> was wondering if using vi or some linux editor or some other program
> >> that I don't now about if there is a way to recover the information on
> >> the disk?
> >
> > Well, the old standard `dd` may yield some data, but that block device
> > error may interfere with dd. There's also a chance that utilities from
> > the sleuthkit will help. Again though, if you can't read *something*
> > off the disk with dd, these won't help much. The Sleuthkit Informer
> > newsletter has some basic info on dd usage and flags, etc. and some
> > other articles on basics of sleuthkit/autopsy, if you must go that
> > route.
> >
> > If you can read other disks with your drive, have you tried to read
> > this disk on a different drive or under Windows (if formatted with
> > FAT16/32 or NTFS)?
> >
> > -John
> >
> I haven't tried windows. the disk is formated in linux.
> I can read other disks and have tried other drives. I think what has
> happened is the boot sector got hosed. If I could figure out the address
> and what to write I could maybe do a low level write to the the device
> at the boot sector but I don't know  were to look of that info.

It's not quite the boot sector that will concern you, unless you're
trying to boot off this zip disk. The boot sector would only interfere
in that he BIOS won't know where to jump on the disk to boot the OS.
If you're just accessing the disk as a storage drive, the boot sector
should not matter. Assuming you're using ext2/3, it might be a corrupt
inode (similar to a FAT, file allocation table, in FAT16/13).

Have you tried running fsck against it? You may have to specify the
file system type if you're not using ext2/3. If you're using ext3, you
could attempt to mount the disk, specifying ext2, as it is backwards
compatible that way.

This document: http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/ext2intro.html
contains the official intro by the creator of ext2. This at the least
will explain why some messed up inodes could hose things. I'm not
certain it would actually yield an "invalid block device" error
though.


From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 11:51:19 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:51:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>

I go through way too many of these cheap cans of air and am looking
for something a little more permanent.  I was thinking something along
the lines of a small, portable air compressor with a nozzle that would
allow me to blow dust and debris from machines.  Short of playing
MacGyver on one of these: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u895243
does anybody know of a good tool?


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Wed Jul  5 12:21:40 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:21:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>

Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when cleaning to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the dust moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in over 4 years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as such I have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes with just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that I can fill up my tires as well.
 
Sean Waite


-----Original Message-----
From: "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com>
To: "TCLug List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:51:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?

> I go through way too many of these cheap cans of air and am looking
> for something a little more permanent.  I was thinking something along
> the lines of a small, portable air compressor with a nozzle that would
> allow me to blow dust and debris from machines.  Short of playing
> MacGyver on one of these: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u895243
> does anybody know of a good tool?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Donovan Niesen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From ringert at consumption.net  Wed Jul  5 12:45:02 2006
From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Ringer)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:45:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1152118803.12837.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.9.1152118803.12837.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <44ABFA9E.8070203@consumption.net>

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92097

Harbor Freight has a location in West St. Paul. You can get attachments 
for this
that have rubber nibs on the end for blowing out small crevices. I use 
these kind
of attachments on my motorcycles.

torleiv

tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote:
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:51:19 -0500
> From: "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: "TCLug List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I go through way too many of these cheap cans of air and am looking
> for something a little more permanent.  I was thinking something along
> the lines of a small, portable air compressor with a nozzle that would
> allow me to blow dust and debris from machines.  Short of playing
> MacGyver on one of these: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u895243
> does anybody know of a good tool?
>
>
>   



From dalan at visi.com  Wed Jul  5 12:48:05 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Wed,  5 Jul 2006 12:48:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <1152121685.44abfb558b8de@my.visi.com>

The unit you have a link to is really small and won't have a lot of pressure to
it. You can pick up a slightly larger unit such as the hobby air compressors
for about 30 to 40 dollars at several places and they should have the air
pressure you are looking for, although as the previous person stated it won't
have the air pressure the air cans have.


Don S.

Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:

> Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when cleaning
> to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the dust
> moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in over 4
> years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as such I
> have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes with
> just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that I can
> fill up my tires as well.
>
> Sean Waite
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com>
> To: "TCLug List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:51:19 -0500
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
>
> > I go through way too many of these cheap cans of air and am looking
> > for something a little more permanent.  I was thinking something along
> > the lines of a small, portable air compressor with a nozzle that would
> > allow me to blow dust and debris from machines.  Short of playing
> > MacGyver on one of these: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u895243
> > does anybody know of a good tool?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Donovan Niesen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jkjones at tcq.net  Wed Jul  5 12:58:38 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:58:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <44ABFDCE.6090300@tcq.net>

Sean Waite wrote:

>Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
>that price. 
>
Note that that one is a 12 volt compressor.


From jkjones at tcq.net  Wed Jul  5 13:10:28 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:10:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <1152121685.44abfb558b8de@my.visi.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>	<WorldClient-F200607051221.AA21400043@sbn-services.com>
	<1152121685.44abfb558b8de@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <44AC0094.1080506@tcq.net>

dalan at visi.com wrote:

>The unit you have a link to is really small and won't have a lot of pressure to
>it. 
>
The other thing about those little units is they don't deliver a lot of 
volume.  There's pressure, but not enough moving air to blow away much dust.

Before I bought a real air compressor, I used a 7-gallon portable air 
tank and filled it at the gas station.  I've heard of using an 
inner-tube, too, as an air source for air brushes etc.

Kraig



From scheides at iexposure.com  Wed Jul  5 15:23:24 2006
From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:23:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] WTB: pci u160/u320 raid card -- needed it 30 minutes
	ago!
Message-ID: <200607051523.24251.scheides@iexposure.com>

If anyone has a spare pci u160 or u320 raid card that supports raid 5 or 0+1, 
please give me a call.  Needed immediately!  

612-817-1271

-- 
Chris Scheidecker
cscheidecker at iexposure.com
Systems Administrator
Internet Exposure, Inc.
http://www.iexposure.com

(612) 676-1946 x15

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing


From lists at turbobit.com  Wed Jul  5 16:50:34 2006
From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:50:34 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060705215034.GA25183@turbobit.com>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:51:19AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I go through way too many of these cheap cans of air and am looking
> for something a little more permanent.  I was thinking something along
> the lines of a small, portable air compressor with a nozzle that would
> allow me to blow dust and debris from machines.  Short of playing
> MacGyver on one of these: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u895243
> does anybody know of a good tool?

Take the dust bunny filled computer outside.  Using 2-3 feet of small
diameter tubing take a deep breath and blow the dust bunnys out.
Run about 10 feet away from the cloud.  Repeat until clean.
If available use an air compressor at 200psi to see how fast the
propellers can go.

Karl.




From nate at ima.umn.edu  Wed Jul  5 23:18:28 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:18:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
Message-ID: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>

I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think 
there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has 
anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo 
viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple 
applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit 
too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.

Any suggestions on where to turn?

-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jul  5 22:25:41 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:25:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607052224480.11385@Rooster>

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Nate Sanders wrote:

> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think
> there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has
> anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
> viewer/editor?

I use feh as an image viewer. Might be able to do some basic things, but 
it's REALLY lightweight and fast.


-Yaron

--


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 01:49:08 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:49:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607060146410.6253@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Nate Sanders wrote:

> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think 
> there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has 
> anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo 
> viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple 
> applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit 
> too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.

XV doesn't work anymore?

Mike


From nate at refried.org  Thu Jul  6 07:48:38 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:48:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060706124838.GC10645@refried.org>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Nate Sanders wrote:
> XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to turn?

I searched around and found the qiv was the fastest image viewer I could
find.  For editting I still use the GIMP.  I recently found it's JPEG
save dialog to be worth the bloat.  It lets you adjust the image quality
with a slider while showing you both the file size _and_ what the
finished image will look like.  It's great for shrinking images down to
acceptable web site sizes.

Nate


From nate at ima.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 08:40:43 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:40:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <20060706124838.GC10645@refried.org>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu> <20060706124838.GC10645@refried.org>
Message-ID: <44AD12DB.3070506@ima.umn.edu>

That sounds like it may work. One of the big things people like XV for
is the quick image manipulation compared to Gimp, which is a full blown
graphics app. I personally use Gimp, but in academia, they love to hold
on to their "old beloved applications".


Nate Straz wrote:

>On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Nate Sanders wrote:
>  
>
>>XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
>>
>>Any suggestions on where to turn?
>>    
>>
>
>I searched around and found the qiv was the fastest image viewer I could
>find.  For editting I still use the GIMP.  I recently found it's JPEG
>save dialog to be worth the bloat.  It lets you adjust the image quality
>with a slider while showing you both the file size _and_ what the
>finished image will look like.  It's great for shrinking images down to
>acceptable web site sizes.
>
>Nate
>
>_______________________________________________
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>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>  
>


-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 




From nate at ima.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 08:41:59 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:41:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607060146410.6253@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607060146410.6253@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <44AD1327.7090406@ima.umn.edu>

XV was removed from almost all major distributions due to licensing
issues I believe.


Mike Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Nate Sanders wrote:
>
>> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't
>> think there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways.
>> Has anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
>> viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of
>> multiple applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and
>> Gimp is a bit too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
>
>
> XV doesn't work anymore?
>
> Mike



-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 




From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us  Thu Jul  6 08:53:31 2006
From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:53:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>

Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I am not willing to tempt fate on some things.
 
Dana M.
District Technology Coordinator
 


Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
 
> Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when cleaning
> to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the dust
> moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in over 4
> years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as such I
> have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes with
> just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that I can
> fill up my tires as well.
>
> Sean Waite

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 09:35:58 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:35:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AD1327.7090406@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607060146410.6253@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44AD1327.7090406@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607060934140.4993@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Nate Sanders wrote:

> XV was removed from almost all major distributions due to licensing 
> issues I believe.

I see.  That makes sense because it isn't free software.  It looks like 
you can still download the source and install it though, but why bother 
with software that isn't FOSS when a good FOSS program is availalble?

Mike


From dalan at visi.com  Thu Jul  6 08:59:07 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Thu,  6 Jul 2006 08:59:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <1152194347.44ad172b68709@my.visi.com>

The rubber or plastic hose used to connect to the compressor should elimitate
any static. The only other issue you may have is water in the air.
Quoting Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us>:

> Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and vacuums?  As
> a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I am not willing to
> tempt fate on some things.
>
> Dana M.
> District Technology Coordinator
>
>
>
> Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
>
> > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when cleaning
> > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the dust
> > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in over 4
> > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as such I
> > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes with
> > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that I
> can
> > fill up my tires as well.
> >
> > Sean Waite
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>





From jkjones at tcq.net  Thu Jul  6 10:18:49 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:18:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <44AD29D9.3030905@tcq.net>

Dana Millaway wrote:

> Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and 
> vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but 
> I am not willing to tempt fate on some things.
>  
> Dana M.
> District Technology Coordinator
>  


The moving air from any of these things can generate static, and the 
canned air wouldn't be any better or worse than a compressor.   But 
everybody uses them without serious problems, as far as I know.  Fans 
and heat sinks should be OK, and go easy on memory modules.

3M used to have an ionizing air nozzle for use on electronics, but they 
were all recalled because of the radioactive ion source.

Kraig



From sos at zjod.net  Thu Jul  6 10:27:17 2006
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
Message-ID: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669@zjod.net>


Nate Sanders shouted into the void:
> 
> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think 
> there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has 
> anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo 
> viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple 
> applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit 
> too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to turn?

John Bradley is the original author of XV.  He's got a web-site at
http://www.trilon.com/xv, which include a downloadable tar.gz file
for xv-3.10a (the latest version I've been able to find).  The
downloads page is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/downloads.html and
includes patches for various things at the bottom.

I grabbed a copy, built & installed it on FC5... it's the same
XV from previous releases.

BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
but free for "personal use."  Restrictions exist, see the license in
xv-3.10a/README after you unpack the tar.gz file for further info.

Hope this helps'idly,

-S


From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com  Thu Jul  6 10:41:59 2006
From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:41:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have experiences to share about IBM Rational ClearCase software.
Good, Bad and Ugly? I have heard of some stability issues from a friend who
has used this software before.

Jason
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  6 10:47:16 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <1152194347.44ad172b68709@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIENICEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of dalan at visi.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:59 AM
>
> The rubber or plastic hose used to connect to the compressor
> should elimitate
> any static. The only other issue you may have is water in the air.


Air leaving the nozzle can become charged...  same principles as the Van
de Graaff generator (aka Vandegraf..)

The hose may help if it is somewhat conductive, but not otherwise.  An
air filter is usually made to trap the water also.

I think it's possible to suppress the static generation, but I haven't
looked for the right stuff to do it.  Maybe Micro Center sells a kit
(with nozzle) for use with compressors..    Anybody know where to find
good data on this?

Chuck


> Quoting Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us>:
>
> > Is there a static charge issue with these bigger
> compressors and vacuums?  As
> > a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I
> am not willing to
> > tempt fate on some things.
> >
> > Dana M.
> > District Technology Coordinator
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
> >
> > > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even
> use it when cleaning
> > > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> > > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough
> to get the dust
> > > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> > > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can
> of air in over 4
> > > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> > > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty
> building and as such I
> > > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> > > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air
> compressor only comes with
> > > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> > > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an
> attachment that I
> > can
> > > fill up my tires as well.
> > >
> > > Sean Waite
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 10:56:15 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:56:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIENICEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIENICEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44AD329F.8040103@gmail.com>

I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air 
compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at 
first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue.

Its amazing how much dust you can dislodge from the insides of a power 
supply with high pressure and large volumes of air.

If you don't have an air compressor, I would go with the small air tank 
that you could fill at gas stations.  Or, if you are really tricky, you 
can refill the compressed air cans with a good rubber tipped nozzle from 
a air compressor.


-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/


From nate at refried.org  Thu Jul  6 11:00:12 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:00:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669@zjod.net>
References: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669@zjod.net>
Message-ID: <20060706160012.GA18175@refried.org>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote:
> BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
> open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
> but free for "personal use."

Shareware is far from odd-ball.  It wasn't standardized like the
licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about
everything was shareware.  You could try out a piece of software and if
you liked it, you'd buy it.  Now that's morphed into the open-source
version and the commercial version.

Nate


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  6 11:33:36 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:33:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <44AD329F.8040103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEEFHKAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Armbrust [mailto:daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:56 AM
>
> I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air
> compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at
> first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue.


I've used high pressure air too and without an obvious problem so far.
However, static generation can occur this way, and it can be fatal as
well as just damaging to electronic chips.  In FL, I could not get
static generators to run at all in a lab with natural humid air, but up
here I can kill an IC just from walking across the room and touching
something.  I'd like to get some real data about this form of static
generation and its suppression and then decide whether to ignore it.
Static damage is often a subtle internal "fracture" in a chip that
eventually makes something flakey and/or dead.  The less common
catastrophic forms of damage are easier to discover by test.

Chuck






From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 11:48:25 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:48:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEEFHKAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <44AD329F.8040103@gmail.com>
	<DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEEFHKAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020607060948p4fe637d5jd427b820f5c69741@mail.gmail.com>

At work we went with one of the portable air tanks that we fill off
the buildings compressed air supply (fed by mutiple compressors).

The tank, fittings, and hose were fairly cheap through Grainger, and
we haven't had to get a can of air since so it was a good investment.

If you already have a compressor it's not a bad way to go.


-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 11:52:46 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:52:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <20060706160012.GA18175@refried.org>
References: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669@zjod.net>
	<20060706160012.GA18175@refried.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061151430.4993@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Nate Straz wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote:
>> BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
>> open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
>> but free for "personal use."
>
> Shareware is far from odd-ball.  It wasn't standardized like the 
> licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about 
> everything was shareware.  You could try out a piece of software and if 
> you liked it, you'd buy it.  Now that's morphed into the open-source 
> version and the commercial version.

Maybe it isn't a coincidence that xv hasn't changed since 1994:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv

Mike


From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Jul  6 12:15:05 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:15:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060706171505.GA29565@callisto-acss.acad.umn.edu>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Nate Sanders wrote:
> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think 
> there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has 
> anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo 
> viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple 
> applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit 
> too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to turn?
> 

For simple modifications there's always the "display" utility in ImageMagick.

-Steve



From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 12:43:47 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:43:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>

Have you looked at f-spot? http://f-spot.org/Main_Page

It is based on mono but is very similar to picasa functional wise.  In fact,
Google's picasa should work too if you don't mind running wine.  Google
modified picasa so that it would run through wine.  Both applications give
you the ability to rotate, crop, red-eye reduction, and a few goodies.

Jeff Rasmussen

On 7/5/06, Nate Sanders <nate at ima.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think
> there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has
> anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
> viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple
> applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit
> too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
>
> Any suggestions on where to turn?
>
> --
> =======================
> Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
> Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
>            http://www.ima.umn.edu/
> =======================
> Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
> University of Minnesota
> 400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
> =======================
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From florin at iucha.net  Thu Jul  6 12:55:40 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:55:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060706175540.GL29271@iucha.net>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:41:59AM -0500, jason reynolds wrote:
> Does anyone have experiences to share about IBM Rational ClearCase software.
> Good, Bad and Ugly? I have heard of some stability issues from a friend who
> has used this software before.

You will pay a boatload on software -- don't skimp on hardware and a
couple of really good Clearcase admins. Without them, you will have
terrible performance and will lose lots of time in downtime and just
plain waiting for things to happen.

Don't do it unless you really have to have it (~ the boss wants it)
and can afford it.

florin

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Jul  6 13:47:59 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:47:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
In-Reply-To: <20060706175540.GL29271@iucha.net> 
References: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060706175540.GL29271@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20060706184759.8E0BB2446@skuld.wookimus.net>

florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)  wrote:
> Don't do it unless you really have to have it (~ the boss wants it)
> and can afford it.

Probably very good advice.  I haven't worked with ClearCase, but their
name pops up in discussions on the other VCS email lists, such as the
Monotone, Mercurial, Darcs, and Git lists.  Monotone has a list of VCS
projects at http://venge.net/monotone/others.html.

Personally, I would advocate any of the ones I listed above, in
probably the order I listed above.  Darcs has probably the best
integration with IDE's, such as Eclipse.  There's a SoC project to
bring Monotone to Eclipse, so if you're in to that type of development
environment, you'll soon have some more options.

Otherwise Subversion might be a viable alternative.  Ubuntu developers
use Bazaar and Bazaar NG, both Canonical, Inc. supported projects
based on GNU Arch.

Shop around.  Try them out.  Good luck!

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From nate at ima.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 13:55:26 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:55:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44AD5C9E.1050605@ima.umn.edu>

I'm looking for a solution that can be mass rolled to 120 workstations.
So wine installs across all machines is out of the question. I'd rather
avoid building and maintaining an in-house XV dpkg as well, but I may
have no choice.


Jeff Rasmussen wrote:

> Have you looked at f-spot? http://f-spot.org/Main_Page
>
> It is based on mono but is very similar to picasa functional wise.  In
> fact, Google's picasa should work too if you don't mind running wine. 
> Google modified picasa so that it would run through wine.  Both
> applications give you the ability to rotate, crop, red-eye reduction,
> and a few goodies.
>
> Jeff Rasmussen
>
> On 7/5/06, *Nate Sanders* <nate at ima.umn.edu <mailto:nate at ima.umn.edu>>
> wrote:
>
>     I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't
>     think
>     there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has
>     anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
>     viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of
>     multiple
>     applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit
>     too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
>
>     Any suggestions on where to turn?
>
-- 

==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 




From florin at iucha.net  Thu Jul  6 14:29:05 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:29:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
In-Reply-To: <20060706184759.8E0BB2446@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060706175540.GL29271@iucha.net>
	<20060706184759.8E0BB2446@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20060706192905.GN29271@iucha.net>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:47:59PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Probably very good advice.  I haven't worked with ClearCase, but their
> name pops up in discussions on the other VCS email lists, such as the
> Monotone, Mercurial, Darcs, and Git lists.  Monotone has a list of VCS
> projects at http://venge.net/monotone/others.html.
> 
> Personally, I would advocate any of the ones I listed above, in
> probably the order I listed above.  Darcs has probably the best
> integration with IDE's, such as Eclipse.  There's a SoC project to
> bring Monotone to Eclipse, so if you're in to that type of development
> environment, you'll soon have some more options.
> 
> Otherwise Subversion might be a viable alternative.  Ubuntu developers
> use Bazaar and Bazaar NG, both Canonical, Inc. supported projects
> based on GNU Arch.

It will be hard to sell one of the FOSS solutions to management,
especially if they caught the Clearcase bug (but all the big boys have
it), but Subversion will be easier than most because:
   - it is similar to CVS (in commands, IDE support, and in the fact
     that it is centralized)
   - it is developed by former maintainers of CVS
   - it has corporate sponsorship, and they sell support contracts

florin

-- 
If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.                       -- Edsger Dijkstra
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 14:49:32 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:49:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
In-Reply-To: <20060706192905.GN29271@iucha.net>
References: <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0@mail.gmail.com>	<20060706175540.GL29271@iucha.net>	<20060706184759.8E0BB2446@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<20060706192905.GN29271@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <44AD694C.5080607@gmail.com>

 >
 > It will be hard to sell one of the FOSS solutions to management,
 > especially if they caught the Clearcase bug (but all the big boys have
 > it), but Subversion will be easier than most because:
 >    - it is similar to CVS (in commands, IDE support, and in the fact
 >      that it is centralized)
 >    - it is developed by former maintainers of CVS
 >    - it has corporate sponsorship, and they sell support contracts
 >
 > florin


Dittos on Subversion - We have been using it for about a year now - 
there have been a few minor issues that were mostly caused by buggy gui 
clients - but those have been mostly cleared up now.  All of the 
Subversion gui's that work with Eclipse should also work with IBM's 
other eclipse based tools.

Apache and Sourceforge both seem to be trending to Subversion now too.

Unless there is a fancy feature in Clear Case that you absolutely have 
to have... there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to pay for source 
control software, when there are so many good free ones available.

Dan

-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 17:06:10 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:06:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AD5C9E.1050605@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AD5C9E.1050605@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061705240.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Nate Sanders wrote:

> I'm looking for a solution that can be mass rolled to 120 workstations. 
> So wine installs across all machines is out of the question. I'd rather 
> avoid building and maintaining an in-house XV dpkg as well, but I may 
> have no choice.

Did you try the "feh" program that someone recommended?  I'm curious about 
that one -- it seems like a lot of people like it.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul  6 17:09:29 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:09:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061706130.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Jeff Rasmussen wrote:

> Have you looked at f-spot? http://f-spot.org/Main_Page
>
> It is based on mono but is very similar to picasa functional wise.  In 
> fact, Google's picasa should work too if you don't mind running wine. 
> Google modified picasa so that it would run through wine.  Both 
> applications give you the ability to rotate, crop, red-eye reduction, 
> and a few goodies.

Regarding Picasa on Windows/Wine, I would say that it is a lot more than 
an image viewer.  For an image viewer I would recommend Irfanview -- it's 
very light weight and fast and flexible.  Not FOSS, I don't think, but 
freely available and made by a poor lone programmer in Bosnia.

Mike


From nate at refried.org  Thu Jul  6 17:35:53 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:35:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061706130.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061706130.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060706223553.GA24329@refried.org>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 05:09:29PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> For an image viewer I would recommend Irfanview -- it's very light
> weight and fast and flexible.  Not FOSS, I don't think, but freely
> available and made by a poor lone programmer in Bosnia.

Wow, I'm surprised someone mentioned that one.  I used to use that back
when I ran Windows and visited Tucows daily.  Great little program,
very fast and can handle lots of files.  I think my dad still uses it.

Nate


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Thu Jul  6 18:00:01 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:00:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061706130.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061706130.21283@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060706230001.GA17825@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 05:09:29PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> Regarding Picasa on Windows/Wine, I would say that it is a lot more than 
> an image viewer.  For an image viewer I would recommend Irfanview -- it's 
> very light weight and fast and flexible.  Not FOSS, I don't think, but 
> freely available and made by a poor lone programmer in Bosnia.

But Irfan View is for Windows only - there is not a Linux version
available.  I've used Irfan View for years and you had me drooling there
for a minute until I realized that there is not really a Linux version.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 18:30:31 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:30:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] XV replacement
In-Reply-To: <44AD5C9E.1050605@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44AC8F14.4050206@ima.umn.edu>
	<9d6c82530607061043h260dc38dhee97dd38a74bfa21@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AD5C9E.1050605@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530607061630w15ae8934nc791428021988a7c@mail.gmail.com>

F-spot isn't built on wine.  It is built on mono and fully supported as a
package on Ubuntu.  F-spot fits the picasa niche on linux but mono was too
new a year ago.

On 7/6/06, Nate Sanders <nate at ima.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a solution that can be mass rolled to 120 workstations.
> So wine installs across all machines is out of the question. I'd rather
> avoid building and maintaining an in-house XV dpkg as well, but I may
> have no choice.
>
>
> Jeff Rasmussen wrote:
>
> > Have you looked at f-spot? http://f-spot.org/Main_Page
> >
> > It is based on mono but is very similar to picasa functional wise.  In
> > fact, Google's picasa should work too if you don't mind running wine.
> > Google modified picasa so that it would run through wine.  Both
> > applications give you the ability to rotate, crop, red-eye reduction,
> > and a few goodies.
> >
> > Jeff Rasmussen
> >
> > On 7/5/06, *Nate Sanders* <nate at ima.umn.edu <mailto:nate at ima.umn.edu>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't
> >     think
> >     there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has
> >     anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
> >     viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of
> >     multiple
> >     applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a
> bit
> >     too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
> >
> >     Any suggestions on where to turn?
> >
> --
>
> =======================
> Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
> Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
>            http://www.ima.umn.edu/
> =======================
> Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
> University of Minnesota
> 400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
> =======================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  6 21:12:55 2006
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:12:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Mgt. software for Dell blade servers?
Message-ID: <1152238376.3584.9.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>

Does anybody have experience with Dell blade servers and Open Manage?
Our company is looking at Dell 1855 and 1955 blade system enclosures
running one of the major Linux distros. Open Manage comes bundled with
the product but we're interested in all options. Foremost on our list of
needs are patch/update management and performance metrics. Any opinions?

John Reese



From mordac.pois at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 21:44:25 2006
From: mordac.pois at gmail.com (Steve Swartz)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:44:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PHP misery with Apache and MySQL on Debian Sarge
Message-ID: <1c0330920607061944n7df28ad4n9de0e922f7a387e9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to get PHP4 (don't ask) to play with Apache 1.3 and MySQL 4.1 on
debian sarge, but apache consistently seg faults at mysql_connect() or
mysql_select_db(). If I comment out those lines the page runs, prints it's
message, and then mysql_close() generates a warning that there was no such
connection. PHP works otherwise.

/etc/php/apache/php.ini does have 'extension=mysql.so'. Commenting it out
causes an immediate complaint about not recognizing the mysql stuff, so
that's not the problem.

I'm stumped, and was wondering if a PHP or Apache whiz could see an obvious
problem in the setup below. I saw some examples of using gdb on google so
I've included a backtrace to see if that's helpful.(Note: The FastCGI module
is not enabled, and I have tried disabling mod_auth_mysql.)

Thanks in advance,

Steve
----------
<html>
<head>
<title>Test PHP</title>
</head>
<body>
<?php
// names changed to protect the innocent
$dbhost $dbuser $dbpass //$conn to mysql');

$dbname //mysql_select_db($dbname);
print 'Appear to be connected.';
mysql_close($conn);
?>
</body>
</html>

grep shortened this stuff - libmysqlclient is libmysqlclient12 &
libmysqlclient14

mercury:/etc/apache# dpkg -l '*php*' | grep ii
ii libapache-mod- 4.3.10-16 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
ii php4 4.3.10-16 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
ii php4-cli 4.3.10-16 command-line interpreter for the php4 script
ii php4-common 4.3.10-16 Common files for packages built from the php
ii php4-mysql 4.3.10-16 MySQL module for php4
ii php4-pear 4.3.10-16 PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Reposit

mercury:/etc/apache# dpkg -l '*apache*' | grep ii
ii apache 1.3.33-6sarge1 versatile, high-performance HTTP server
ii apache-common 1.3.33-6sarge1 support files for all Apache webservers
ii apache-dev 1.3.33-6sarge1 development kit for the Apache webserver
ii apache-doc 1.3.33-6sarge1 documentation for the Apache webserver
ii apache-utils 1.3.33-6sarge1 utility programs for webservers (transitiona
ii apache2-utils 2.0.54-5 utility programs for webservers
ii libapache-mod- 4.3.9-2 Apache module for MySQL authentication
ii libapache-mod- 2.4.2-6 FastCGI module for Apache
ii libapache-mod- 4.3.10-16 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
ii libapache-mod- 2.8.22-1sarge1 Strong cryptography (HTTPS support) for
Apac

mercury:/etc/apache# dpkg -l '*mysql*' | grep ii
ii courier-authmy 0.47-4sarge5 Courier Mail Server - MySQL authentication
ii libapache-mod- 4.3.9-2 Apache module for MySQL authentication
ii libdbd-mysql-p 2.9006-1 A Perl5 database interface to the MySQL data
ii libmysqlclient 3.23.56-3 LGPL-licensed client library for MySQL datab
ii libmysqlclient 4.0.24-10sarge mysql database client library
ii libmysqlclient 4.1.11a-4sarge mysql database client library
ii libmysqlclient 4.1.11a-4sarge mysql database development files
ii mysql-client-4 4.1.11a-4sarge mysql database client binaries
ii mysql-common-4 4.1.11a-4sarge mysql database common files (e.g.
/etc/mysql
ii mysql-server-4 4.1.11a-4sarge mysql database server binaries
ii php4-mysql 4.3.10-16 MySQL module for php4
ii postfix-mysql 2.1.5-9 MYSQL map support for Postfix



mercury:/etc/php4/apache# gdb apache
GNU gdb 6.3-debian
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-linux"...(no debugging symbols found)
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1".

(gdb) run -X
Starting program: /usr/sbin/apache -X
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread 1076537184 (LWP 14460)]
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 1076537184 (LWP 14460)]
0x401e7965 in mallopt () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0 0x401e7965 in mallopt () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#1 0x401e6c43 in malloc () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#2 0x403fc9be in my_malloc () from /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14
#3 0x404216c9 in vio_new () from /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14
#4 0x4041ef93 in mysql_real_connect () from /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14
#5 0x403b5656 in zm_info_mysql () from /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so
#6 0x403b680c in zif_mysql_connect () from /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so
#7 0x40753f60 in execute () from /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#8 0x40743b71 in zend_execute_scripts () from /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#9 0x40715c7f in php_execute_script () from /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#10 0x4075820e in apache_php_module_main () from
/usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#11 0x40758ddc in apache_php_module_main () from
/usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#12 0x40758fa1 in apache_php_module_main () from
/usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
#13 0x080553c3 in ap_invoke_handler ()
#14 0x08068465 in ap_some_auth_required ()
#15 0x08068614 in ap_process_request ()
#16 0x08060bd2 in ap_child_terminate ()
#17 0x08060e9a in ap_child_terminate ()
#18 0x08060f10 in ap_child_terminate ()
#19 0x08061a9a in ap_child_terminate ()
#20 0x08061ff8 in main ()
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From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 23:16:16 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:16:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Mgt. software for Dell blade servers?
In-Reply-To: <1152238376.3584.9.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>
References: <1152238376.3584.9.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>
Message-ID: <b6371f9f0607062116w413fa359jdf34e991fb5ee8bf@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/06, John Reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have experience with Dell blade servers and Open Manage?
> Our company is looking at Dell 1855 and 1955 blade system enclosures
> running one of the major Linux distros. Open Manage comes bundled with
> the product but we're interested in all options. Foremost on our list of
> needs are patch/update management and performance metrics. Any opinions?
>
> John Reese


Its a slight pita even on supported distros. We first tried it on debian,
and it did not help us with much. I suggest checking out
linux.dell.comthere is a lot of information on that site it may help
steer you in the
right direction.

-Ryan

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From noly747 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 07:27:23 2006
From: noly747 at gmail.com (jerry Nolan)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:27:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.568.1152205014.12171.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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Where I used to work we had house air reduced to 28psi as that is the
maximum pressure that OSHA allows for hand held use.  We never had a
problem with static but were careful not to touch electronic
components with the nozzle.   In the summertime it is necessary to
drain tank occasionally
as water accumulates in bottom of tank and will spray out if allowed
to get too full....   Jer

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> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Kraig Jones)
>    2. Re: XV replacement (Steve Siegfried)
>    3. Rational ClearCase (jason reynolds)
>    4. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Chuck Cole)
>    5. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Dan Armbrust)
>    6. Re: XV replacement (Nate Straz)
>    7. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Chuck Cole)
>    8. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Andrew Zbikowski)
>    9. Re: XV replacement (Mike Miller)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:18:49 -0500
> From: Kraig Jones <jkjones at tcq.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <44AD29D9.3030905 at tcq.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Dana Millaway wrote:
>
> > Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and
> > vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but
> > I am not willing to tempt fate on some things.
> >
> > Dana M.
> > District Technology Coordinator
> >
>
>
> The moving air from any of these things can generate static, and the
> canned air wouldn't be any better or worse than a compressor.   But
> everybody uses them without serious problems, as far as I know.  Fans
> and heat sinks should be OK, and go easy on memory modules.
>
> 3M used to have an ionizing air nozzle for use on electronics, but they
> were all recalled because of the radioactive ion source.
>
> Kraig
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (CDT)
> From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669 at zjod.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Nate Sanders shouted into the void:
> >
> > I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think
> > there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has
> > anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo
> > viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple
> > applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit
> > too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful.
> >
> > Any suggestions on where to turn?
>
> John Bradley is the original author of XV.  He's got a web-site at
> http://www.trilon.com/xv, which include a downloadable tar.gz file
> for xv-3.10a (the latest version I've been able to find).  The
> downloads page is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/downloads.html and
> includes patches for various things at the bottom.
>
> I grabbed a copy, built & installed it on FC5... it's the same
> XV from previous releases.
>
> BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
> open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
> but free for "personal use."  Restrictions exist, see the license in
> xv-3.10a/README after you unpack the tar.gz file for further info.
>
> Hope this helps'idly,
>
> -S
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:41:59 -0500
> From: "jason reynolds" <jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> Does anyone have experiences to share about IBM Rational ClearCase software.
> Good, Bad and Ugly? I have heard of some stability issues from a friend who
> has used this software before.
>
> Jason
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:47:16 -0500
> From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of dalan at visi.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:59 AM
> >
> > The rubber or plastic hose used to connect to the compressor
> > should elimitate
> > any static. The only other issue you may have is water in the air.
>
>
> Air leaving the nozzle can become charged...  same principles as the Van
> de Graaff generator (aka Vandegraf..)
>
> The hose may help if it is somewhat conductive, but not otherwise.  An
> air filter is usually made to trap the water also.
>
> I think it's possible to suppress the static generation, but I haven't
> looked for the right stuff to do it.  Maybe Micro Center sells a kit
> (with nozzle) for use with compressors..    Anybody know where to find
> good data on this?
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > Quoting Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us>:
> >
> > > Is there a static charge issue with these bigger
> > compressors and vacuums?  As
> > > a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I
> > am not willing to
> > > tempt fate on some things.
> > >
> > > Dana M.
> > > District Technology Coordinator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
> > >
> > > > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even
> > use it when cleaning
> > > > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> > > > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough
> > to get the dust
> > > > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> > > > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can
> > of air in over 4
> > > > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> > > > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty
> > building and as such I
> > > > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> > > > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air
> > compressor only comes with
> > > > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> > > > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an
> > attachment that I
> > > can
> > > > fill up my tires as well.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Waite
> > >
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> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:56:15 -0500
> From: Dan Armbrust <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: cncole at earthlink.net
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <44AD329F.8040103 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air
> compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at
> first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue.
>
> Its amazing how much dust you can dislodge from the insides of a power
> supply with high pressure and large volumes of air.
>
> If you don't have an air compressor, I would go with the small air tank
> that you could fill at gas stations.  Or, if you are really tricky, you
> can refill the compressed air cans with a good rubber tipped nozzle from
> a air compressor.
>
>
> --
> ****************************
> Daniel Armbrust
> Biomedical Informatics
> Mayo Clinic Rochester
> daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
> http://informatics.mayo.edu/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:00:12 -0500
> From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <20060706160012.GA18175 at refried.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote:
> > BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
> > open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
> > but free for "personal use."
>
> Shareware is far from odd-ball.  It wasn't standardized like the
> licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about
> everything was shareware.  You could try out a piece of software and if
> you liked it, you'd buy it.  Now that's morphed into the open-source
> version and the commercial version.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:33:36 -0500
> From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: "Dan Armbrust" <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEEFHKAA.cncole at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Armbrust [mailto:daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:56 AM
> >
> > I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air
> > compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at
> > first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue.
>
>
> I've used high pressure air too and without an obvious problem so far.
> However, static generation can occur this way, and it can be fatal as
> well as just damaging to electronic chips.  In FL, I could not get
> static generators to run at all in a lab with natural humid air, but up
> here I can kill an IC just from walking across the room and touching
> something.  I'd like to get some real data about this form of static
> generation and its suppression and then decide whether to ignore it.
> Static damage is often a subtle internal "fracture" in a chip that
> eventually makes something flakey and/or dead.  The less common
> catastrophic forms of damage are easier to discover by test.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:48:25 -0500
> From: "Andrew Zbikowski" <andyzib at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
>         <e3a54b020607060948p4fe637d5jd427b820f5c69741 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> At work we went with one of the portable air tanks that we fill off
> the buildings compressed air supply (fed by mutiple compressors).
>
> The tank, fittings, and hose were fairly cheap through Grainger, and
> we haven't had to get a can of air since so it was a good investment.
>
> If you already have a compressor it's not a bad way to go.
>
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:52:46 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement
> To: Nate Straz <nate at refried.org>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061151430.4993 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Nate Straz wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote:
> >> BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common
> >> open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license,
> >> but free for "personal use."
> >
> > Shareware is far from odd-ball.  It wasn't standardized like the
> > licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about
> > everything was shareware.  You could try out a piece of software and if
> > you liked it, you'd buy it.  Now that's morphed into the open-source
> > version and the commercial version.
>
> Maybe it isn't a coincidence that xv hasn't changed since 1994:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 16:45:59 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:45:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Voting off List
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References: <20060627211704.2D4F0A70@skuld.wookimus.net>
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 22:20:05 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:20:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
Message-ID: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all

We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
first two at all.

We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
allowed, etc)

What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
What has been your personal experience?

Looking forward to hearing your responses.

                          -jordan


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Fri Jul  7 22:41:42 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:41:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
Message-ID: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>

Jordan:

Where are you moving to?

I live in Burnsville and I have Comcast 8 Megs down, not bad. I think the price runs 59.99, but for the first six months runs at 39.99 or 29.99 might want to check their website. Otherwise, let us know where your location will be.

David


On Friday, July 07, 2006 10:20 PM, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>
>Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:20:05 -0500
>From: Jordan Peacock
>To: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
>
>Hello all
>
>We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
>place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
>come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
>first two at all.
>
>We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
>deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
>allowed, etc)
>
>What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
>What has been your personal experience?
>
>Looking forward to hearing your responses.
>
>                          -jordan
>
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 22:40:34 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:40:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250607072040ra1c19c4uebafe5f532d3c302@mail.gmail.com>

We'll be moving to Burnsville, just off the Parkway.

               -jordan

On 7/7/06, David Alanis <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote:
> Jordan:
>
> Where are you moving to?
>
> I live in Burnsville and I have Comcast 8 Megs down, not bad. I think the price runs 59.99, but for the first six months runs at 39.99 or 29.99 might want to check their website. Otherwise, let us know where your location will be.
>
> David
>
>
> On Friday, July 07, 2006 10:20 PM, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> >
> >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:20:05 -0500
> >From: Jordan Peacock
> >To: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
> >
> >Hello all
> >
> >We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
> >place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
> >come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
> >first two at all.
> >
> >We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
> >deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
> >allowed, etc)
> >
> >What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
> >What has been your personal experience?
> >
> >Looking forward to hearing your responses.
> >
> >                          -jordan
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein
>
> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"
>
>


From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  7 22:57:59 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:57:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGCENOCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jordan Peacock
>
> Hello all
>
> We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
> place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
> come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
> first two at all.

If you stay in Dakota County, you may not have any choices except
Frontier's DSL and Charter's cable.  Some areas in Dakota County have
Quest (Eagan and a few adjoining Apple Valley areas) which may offer
more DSL options.  Not sure how much of the county is Charter cable.

DSL-only isn't a bad price, but wasn't attractive to me.  Charter's
cable "basic" plus HS internet from Charter isn't a bad price and works
OK.  Once in, you probably can remove the TV blocking filter outside and
get the "expanded" set of about 72 TV channels.


Chuck





From jkjones at tcq.net  Fri Jul  7 23:03:58 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:03:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>


Hello Jordan,

I've had tcq.net for an ISP for about three years now.  We get the 256K 
DSL from Qwest for $18/mo in addition to the most basic phone service we 
can get -- since they kicked us off the party line ;-) ...

I've had no complaints about TCQ.  They're inexpensive ($10/mo -- if you 
pay $120 annually).  I don't know about features -- we use the email and 
internet access and I haven't ever asked them for anything special.  
Never had any problems with restrictions on what I want to do.  They're 
a local company, and they've been easy to talk to when I've had (only a 
few) technical questions.  So, at least for basic, home user 
requirements like mine, I'd give them an "A".

Kraig



From sac at cheesecake.org  Fri Jul  7 23:16:46 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:16:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 at 22.41.42 -0500, David Alanis wrote:
> I live in Burnsville and I have Comcast 8 Megs down, not bad. I think
> the price runs 59.99, but for the first six months runs at 39.99 or
> 29.99 might want to check their website. Otherwise, let us know where
> your location will be.

Comcast's service is unreliable, and their customer service is fucking
horrible.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 23:22:47 2006
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:22:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, as a clarification

'Good' Features
         (things like no ports blocked, good Customer service, Usenet, etc)
Unneeded features
         things like AOL; spam blocking/security software/etc. We use
linux exclusively, and deal with security/firewalls ourselves, don't
need the ISP to do it.


I didn't realize the pickings were slimmer down in Dakota Country. I
will check out tcq.net Kraig (thanks for the link).

                  -jordan

On 7/7/06, Kraig <jkjones at tcq.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Jordan,
>
> I've had tcq.net for an ISP for about three years now.  We get the 256K
> DSL from Qwest for $18/mo in addition to the most basic phone service we
> can get -- since they kicked us off the party line ;-) ...
>
> I've had no complaints about TCQ.  They're inexpensive ($10/mo -- if you
> pay $120 annually).  I don't know about features -- we use the email and
> internet access and I haven't ever asked them for anything special.
> Never had any problems with restrictions on what I want to do.  They're
> a local company, and they've been easy to talk to when I've had (only a
> few) technical questions.  So, at least for basic, home user
> requirements like mine, I'd give them an "A".
>
> Kraig
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From nate at refried.org  Fri Jul  7 23:26:26 2006
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:26:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGCENOCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGCENOCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060708042626.GA20801@refried.org>

On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:57:59PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
> > place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
> > come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
> > first two at all.
> 
> If you stay in Dakota County, you may not have any choices except
> Frontier's DSL and Charter's cable.  

If you can get Frontier's DSL, don't buy it from them.  Buy it through
Visi.com.  They're Linux friendly and allow you to run whatever services
you want.  I'm running my own mail and web services from my DSL line.

http://home.visi.com/services/dsl/frontier_standard.html

Nate


From jkjones at tcq.net  Fri Jul  7 23:40:02 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:40:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>	
	<44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>
	<bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44AF3722.7060500@tcq.net>

Jordan Peacock wrote:

> I didn't realize the pickings were slimmer down in Dakota Country. I
> will check out tcq.net Kraig (thanks for the link).
>
>                  -jordan
>
There's just one minor problem with tcq.net for email -- trivial, but 
not entirely insignificant.  When writing my email address for someone, 
I have to carefully write the "Q" so that it doesn't look like "O" or 
"g".  And people expect ".com", too.  It was easier when I was "@AOL.com".

Kraig


From mordac.pois at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 23:58:44 2006
From: mordac.pois at gmail.com (Steve Swartz)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:58:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>
	<bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c0330920607072158g4a8cd3a2yca50e8b4b619fad7@mail.gmail.com>

Jordan

Off of Burnsville Pkwy, your choices will be Comcast for cable and (I think)
Qwest for phone. Don't know the DSL choices there. Bville Pkwy is too far
north for Frontier, though it's a choice in the south end.

I'm on Comcast 6Meg/256k for 46.95/month, but we get basic cable, too. They
don't guarantee static IP, but I just went about 18 months on the same one.

Until last night.... argghhh.

I haven't run into any blocked ports, but they do have a somewhat
restrictive rate limit on their smtp servers.

While not 5 nines, Comcast hasn't been as bad as in the past. How's that for
a backhanded compliment?

Steve


On 7/7/06, Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, as a clarification
>
> 'Good' Features
>          (things like no ports blocked, good Customer service, Usenet,
> etc)
> Unneeded features
>          things like AOL; spam blocking/security software/etc. We use
> linux exclusively, and deal with security/firewalls ourselves, don't
> need the ISP to do it.
>
>
> I didn't realize the pickings were slimmer down in Dakota Country. I
> will check out tcq.net Kraig (thanks for the link).
>
>                   -jordan
>
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  8 00:18:30 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:18:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGCENPCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sidney Cammeresi
>
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 at 22.41.42 -0500, David Alanis wrote:
> > I live in Burnsville and I have Comcast 8 Megs down, not
> bad. I think
> > the price runs 59.99, but for the first six months runs at 39.99 or
> > 29.99 might want to check their website. Otherwise, let us
> know where
> > your location will be.
>
> Comcast's service is unreliable, and their customer service is fucking
> horrible.
>
> --
> Sidney CAMMERESI


Charter is worse in my experience.  None are perfect: we must pick the
least atrocious one  :-)


Chuck




From mordac.pois at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 03:38:47 2006
From: mordac.pois at gmail.com (Steve Swartz)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:38:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PHP misery solved - sort of
Message-ID: <1c0330920607080138q71aec38dg865a35fb9772c610@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I can't reply in thread - gmail won't let me see my original post.

I was able to duplicate my apache seg faults on my production box.

Taking an off-list suggestion from Jay Jarvinen, on my testing box I
relinked libmysqlclient14 to libmysqlclient12, since the gdb backtrace
showed it going through  /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14 .

           ln -s libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0   libmysqlclient.so.14

Now Apache/MySQL/PHP get along fine and dandy.

The only reason I say 'sort of' fixed is that I don't know what the backward
linking might break, so I'm a little hesitant to put it in production.

Anyone have any wisdom on that issue?

Thanks,

Steve
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From mordac.pois at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 03:56:40 2006
From: mordac.pois at gmail.com (Steve Swartz)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:56:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PHP misery solved - sort of
In-Reply-To: <1c0330920607080138q71aec38dg865a35fb9772c610@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c0330920607080138q71aec38dg865a35fb9772c610@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c0330920607080156r7fe9c4afx7360ae50babac629@mail.gmail.com>

I should rename this thread 'looking for bugs in all the wrong places'

Now that I know the problem is with php4-mysql and libmysqlclient14.....

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug(7750

I was, of course, looking for bug reports under php, not libmysqlclient.

Also, if any one else on gmail can't see their own posts - click the 'All
Mail' link on the left.

A whole lot of enlightenment for one morning.

Steve
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From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 05:49:00 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:49:00 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on Saturday meeting
Message-ID: <070820061049.4167.44AF8D9C0000345900001047220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net>

I know it is late but have a major vehicle problem and have no other way to get to the meeting.  Is there anyone near South St Paul, about 2 miles north of 494 off Concord that I could catch a ride with?

TIA,

Jerry W


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Jul  8 08:51:53 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:51:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
	<20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <20060708135153.GB14924@www.ewilts.org>

On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 11:16:46PM -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 at 22.41.42 -0500, David Alanis wrote:
> > I live in Burnsville and I have Comcast 8 Megs down, not bad. I think
> > the price runs 59.99, but for the first six months runs at 39.99 or
> > 29.99 might want to check their website. Otherwise, let us know where
> > your location will be.
> 
> Comcast's service is unreliable, and their customer service is fucking
> horrible.

I haven't had any major issues with Comcast's 2-way service and I've
been a customer since their cable offering was cable-down and modem-up
(now *that* sucked!).  I've only had to call their customer service a
couple of times and they weren't bad at all - definitely much better
than my Dodge dealer in Roseville!

The basic speed is fast enough for me - I see 500MB/sec downloads
regularly.  I wish I could get faster uploads though.

One big advantage that I see for Comcast is that they run Brightmail's
spam filters - they do a pretty decent job.

I have my own domains that I host at phpwebhosting.com and have my email
from there forwarded to comcast for spam filtering which I then suck
down to my desktops.   phpwebhosting charges only $10/month for my 2
domains.

A *long* time ago, I had issues when one of Comcast's predecessors
blocked port 80 so I don't run http at home any more (although when I
moved my services to another port back then, it worked fine).  I've
never had an issue with them blocking ssh. 

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul  8 09:33:32 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 09:33:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708135153.GB14924@www.ewilts.org>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
	<20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
	<20060708135153.GB14924@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607080924520.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:

> The basic speed is fast enough for me - I see 500MB/sec downloads 
> regularly.  I wish I could get faster uploads though.

That's a typo.  Did you mean 500KB/sec?  That would be 4Mb/sec. (using 'B' 
for byte and 'b' for bit).

That's good.  I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but since I'm 
sending a message anyway:  Time Warner's Roadrunner service has been 
working fine for me.  I have run plenty of different kinds of services 
with no problems.  It tests at 4.8 Mbits/sec and I normally see 500 or 600 
kilobytes per second in SCP downloads.  Uploads are about 360 kbits/sec. 
The price is good.  In 1.5 years it has not gone down that I am aware of 
and I use it all the time.

Mike


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Jul  8 10:21:34 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:21:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607080924520.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
	<20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
	<20060708135153.GB14924@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607080924520.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060708152134.GA21336@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:
> 
> >The basic speed is fast enough for me - I see 500MB/sec downloads 
> >regularly.  I wish I could get faster uploads though.
> 
> That's a typo.  Did you mean 500KB/sec?  That would be 4Mb/sec. (using 'B' 
> for byte and 'b' for bit).

Yeah, that's what I meant.  When you play all day with terabytes of
storage, the difference between a kilobyte and a megabyte gets lost in
the ether.  I just wish I could get get 500MB/sec :-).  Hmmm, an ISO in
about a second....

I ran a speed test at bandwidthplace.com and it came back with:
4.4 megabits per second

toast.net came back at 4642 Kbps.

speakeasy (http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/) comes back with:
Download Speed: 5468 kbps (683.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 340 kbps (42.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

The speeds vary, of course, but on speakeasy they're all in the 5400+
range on downloads and 305-340 on upload.

Good enough for me.  The only complaints I have is on the upload speed
if I'm uploading pictures to my ISP.  And even that is not *that* bad.

        .../Ed
-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org


From auditodd at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 12:32:14 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:32:14 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
Message-ID: <070820061732.3691.44AFEC1E000D192E00000E6B22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

Guess I'll chip in with my $0.02.

I've had Comcast cable Internet and TV now for almost 5 years and have had minimal problems. I've only had to deal with one difficult customer service person when there was an outage. Overall I think I've had 3 or 4 outages.

I like their web mail interface (it's what I'm using to write this email).

If we experience an outage, I call custumer service and bitch and they give me a day's credit on my bill (or more if the outage is longer). 

We pay around $100 per month for Internet and mid-level TV (no pay-per-view and it's associated cable box).

I have a Smoothwall firewall and have noticed that the public IP rarely changes (very handy for setting up VPN tunnels). It just recently changed, but I noticed that they also finally changed router names from AT&T names to Comcast (traceroute is your friend!).

I haven't tried running my own mail server or web server, but have contemplated running a web server via dyndns.

--
----
------
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jordan Peacock" <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> Hello all
> 
> We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
> place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
> come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
> first two at all.
> 
> We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
> deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
> allowed, etc)
> 
> What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
> What has been your personal experience?
> 
> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
> 
>                           -jordan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul  8 13:03:47 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20060708152134.GA21336@www.ewilts.org>
References: <20060708034142765a83da2e@mail.smumn.edu>
	<20060708041646.GA19533@cheesecake.org>
	<20060708135153.GB14924@www.ewilts.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607080924520.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20060708152134.GA21336@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607081301190.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Ed Wilts wrote:

> The speeds vary, of course, but on speakeasy they're all in the 5400+ 
> range on downloads and 305-340 on upload.
>
> Good enough for me.  The only complaints I have is on the upload speed 
> if I'm uploading pictures to my ISP.  And even that is not *that* bad.

Exactly.  Maybe someday they'll give us a little more upload speed. 
Until then, my approach to really big uploads is to burn DVDs and bring 
them to my office at the U.  I think upload and download are approximately 
the same speed at the U.

Mike


From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 13:36:50 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:36:50 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
Message-ID: <070820061836.27291.44AFFB420004989800006A9B220702105397050C019D99A106@comcast.net>

A Comcast user.

Have had cable Internet since mediaone started the service in West Paul.  I had the dial upload and cable down, but it was a lot faster than plain dial up.

I downloaded the latest full Netscape browser (~4 M?) of that time on dial up a few days before cable was installed.  The dial up took somewhere around an hour and half on QWest for download.  When the service tech installed the cable modem we downloaded the same browser on cable, think it took only a few minutes, not more than five.  The deal was good as the service was free for three months for being "tester" for mediaone cable.  Had a few outages, but one was due to some transit starting a fire under one of the bridges over the Mississippi river and burned the cable.  I think a lot of users including dial up lost service for a few days.  One other time a garage fire down the block burned down and burnt the cable, no service for a few days.  Service was still free so I had no complaint.  Have had a few outages, only one incident of bad customer service.  When Comcast took over I had some email issues, mainly receiving mail.  He asked what mail client I was using and told him Nets
cape.  He insisted that I would need to use Internet Explorer and Outlook Express.  I said if that is so then I want my service disconnected, told him I did not like IE or Outlook Express, he said SIR, oh don't stop service, wait a minute!  He turned me over to a supervisor and supervisor gave me the info needed to get Netscape client as my email.  Supervisor said I did not need to use IE or Outlook Express and that most of the customer service reps only knew those for troubleshooting.

 Checked some speeds today anywhere from 3.9 to 4.5 down and 345 to 450 up from Speakeasy.

Jerry W







From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul  8 15:43:10 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:43:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <070820061836.27291.44AFFB420004989800006A9B220702105397050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
References: <070820061836.27291.44AFFB420004989800006A9B220702105397050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607081542220.796@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

By the way, make sure you don't get mixed up with AOL:

http://www.break.com/index/aolhell.html

Ouch!

Mike


From austad at signal15.com  Sat Jul  8 15:52:35 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:52:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SELinux and mod_fastcgi on FC5
Message-ID: <50FD0B50-7E8B-475F-ADB4-DF5C5446A7CC@signal15.com>

I cannot get this to work, I'm getting the following error in my  
apache log:

[Sat Jul 08 11:49:03 2006] [error] FastCGI: access for server (uid  
-1, gid -1) failed: read not allowed
[Sat Jul 08 11:49:03 2006] [error] FastCGI: can't create dynamic  
directory "/tmp/fcgi_ipc/dynamic": access for server (uid -1, gid -1)  
failed: read not allowed

/var/log/messages didn't have any policy errors listed, and here is  
the context of the fcgi_ipc directory:
[root at euclid tmp]# ls -Z /tmp
drwx------  root root root:object_r:httpd_tmp_t        fcgi_ipc

I'm using the default targeted policy that comes with FC5, with some  
additions to allow PHP to connect to my mailserver port and send out  
registration confirmations.

Does anyone have any experience with SELinux?  I've never used it  
before a couple of days ago, and I really don't want to have to  
disable it.

~jay






From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Jul  8 17:46:40 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:46:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <070820061732.3691.44AFEC1E000D192E00000E6B22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <070820061732.3691.44AFEC1E000D192E00000E6B22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20060708224640.GA25854@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 05:32:14PM +0000, auditodd at comcast.net wrote:
> I like their web mail interface (it's what I'm using to write this email).

And we don't :-).  Your lines aren't wrapping...

> I have a Smoothwall firewall and have noticed that the public IP
> rarely changes (very handy for setting up VPN tunnels). It just
> recently changed, but I noticed that they also finally changed router
> names from AT&T names to Comcast (traceroute is your friend!).

I haven't been monitoring my IP addresses by I have a dynamic dns set up
so that I can ssh in to my home server from work.

> I haven't tried running my own mail server or web server, but have
> contemplated running a web server via dyndns.

I wrote up some instructions a few years ago when I was running some web
servers at home.  I haven't checked to see how current it is but a lot
of people still read the page.
http://ewilts.org/dynamicdns.htm
I currently use dyndns.org for my dynamic dns server and ddclient to
keep it up to date.

        .../Ed
-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sun Jul  9 08:00:22 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:00:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <20136863.1152329123569.JavaMail.root@sniper8>
References: <20136863.1152329123569.JavaMail.root@sniper8>
Message-ID: <200607090800.23274.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Friday 07 July 2006 10:20 pm, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> Hello all
>
> We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
> place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
> come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
> first two at all.
>
> We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
> deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
> allowed, etc)
>
> What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
> What has been your personal experience?
>
> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
>
>                           -jordan
>

If you have Qwest phone service in the area then you can get just about any 
local ISP for a DSL provider and Qwest has been offering naked dsl where you 
don't need subscribe to their phone service, just DSL over the phone line.

As to finding a local ISP, I am partial to US Internet since I work there. I 
have had 0 ISP problems. :)


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  9 14:20:38 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:20:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on Saturday meeting
In-Reply-To: <070820061049.4167.44AF8D9C0000345900001047220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
References: <070820061049.4167.44AF8D9C0000345900001047220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <44B15706.9070107@mchsi.com>

j_wrocky at comcast.net wrote:
> I know it is late but have a major vehicle problem and have no other way to get to the meeting.  Is there anyone near South St Paul, about 2 miles north of 494 off Concord that I could catch a ride with?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jerry W

Dang! I didn't know there was a meeting, I would have gone for sure. I 
would have picked you up too. I finally got my tabs on the car I drive.. 
(my mom's name the car is in, and she has a warrant out for parking 
tickets lol so it was a bitch to get tabs.) so I can finally drive 
myself around again. Yay! And of course I miss the first meeting when I 
have a car again. Dangit.

How was it?

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx



From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Sun Jul  9 14:44:25 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:44:25 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on Saturday meeting
Message-ID: <070920061944.20894.44B15C990008E9FE0000519E220702455397050C019D99A106@comcast.net>

Nick,

No one else replied, so I did not get to go.  I do not know if I will repair the car, it is thirteen years old, starting to have major problems and can not afford another.  Can I catch a ride next month?  Linux on Saturday is always on the second Saturday of the month 9 AM down in Bloomington south of the MOA.

Jerry W

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com>
> j_wrocky at comcast.net wrote:
> > I know it is late but have a major vehicle problem and have no other way to 
> get to the meeting.  Is there anyone near South St Paul, about 2 miles north of 
> 494 off Concord that I could catch a ride with?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Jerry W
> 
> Dang! I didn't know there was a meeting, I would have gone for sure. I 
> would have picked you up too. I finally got my tabs on the car I drive.. 
> (my mom's name the car is in, and she has a warrant out for parking 
> tickets lol so it was a bitch to get tabs.) so I can finally drive 
> myself around again. Yay! And of course I miss the first meeting when I 
> have a car again. Dangit.
> 
> How was it?
> 
> Nick
> 
> "All unix, all the time."
> 
> http://npt.ath.cx
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From bwilinski at iexposure.com  Mon Jul 10 10:00:22 2006
From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:00:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] urpmi segmentation fault
Message-ID: <200607101000.23058.bwilinski@iexposure.com>

Has anyone else run into the 'segmentation fault' upon trying to 
get a new package?  I've tried several different sources, but 
get the same result.

peace,

Ben
-- 


From harv.nelson at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 12:14:39 2006
From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:14:39 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
Message-ID: <6a470a5f0607071014g5b4e208fm2817e85ccc39e9b6@mail.gmail.com>

how about one of those small 12vot units used for air mattresses and small
swimming pools.    also, consider using your vacum cleaner.

On 7/6/06, Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us> wrote:
>
>  Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and
> vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I am
> not willing to tempt fate on some things.
>
> Dana M.
> District Technology Coordinator
>
>
>
> Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
>
> > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when
> cleaning
> > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the dust
> > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in over
> 4
> > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as
> such I
> > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes
> with
> > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that I
> can
> > fill up my tires as well.
> >
> > Sean Waite
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 10:12:53 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:12:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0607071014g5b4e208fm2817e85ccc39e9b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<44ACCF8B.6B88.00B3.0@holdingford.k12.mn.us>
	<6a470a5f0607071014g5b4e208fm2817e85ccc39e9b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607100812p1a7dd81fi9d69f1fb80b2e951@mail.gmail.com>

If your using a vacuum cleaner make sure you watch for static. Some vacuums
are going to create static which is a little incompatible with a functioning
computer.

Jason

On 7/7/06, Harv Nelson <harv.nelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> how about one of those small 12vot units used for air mattresses and small
> swimming pools.    also, consider using your vacum cleaner.
>
>
> On 7/6/06, Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us> wrote:
> >
> >  Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and
> > vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I am
> > not willing to tempt fate on some things.
> >
> > Dana M.
> > District Technology Coordinator
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>:
> >
> > > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even use it when
> > cleaning
> > > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that
> > > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough to get the
> > dust
> > > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust
> > > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can of air in
> > over 4
> > > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at
> > > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty building and as
> > such I
> > > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You
> > > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air compressor only comes
> > with
> > > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up
> > > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an attachment that
> > I can
> > > fill up my tires as well.
> > >
> > > Sean Waite
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 10:24:42 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:24:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0607071014g5b4e208fm2817e85ccc39e9b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEODCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

The problem is caused by moving air, not what moves it (physics of
generating static electricity).  Nozzle materials probably can affect
this a bunch in good or bad ways... dunno much about that. but it must
be on the web somewhere.

Chuck
  -----Original Message-----
  From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Harv Nelson
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:15 PM
  To: Dana Millaway
  Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives?


  how about one of those small 12vot units used for air mattresses and
small swimming pools.    also, consider using your vacum cleaner.


  On 7/6/06, Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us> wrote:
    Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and
vacuums?  As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I
am not willing to tempt fate on some things.

    Dana M.
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From j at packetgod.com  Mon Jul 10 10:56:46 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:56:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <200607090800.23274.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <20136863.1152329123569.JavaMail.root@sniper8>
	<200607090800.23274.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <44B278BE.3040008@packetgod.com>

Ok, I gotta get my .02c in too...

I really dig iphouse.com they are really linux friendly have no 
restrictions, come default with a static IP and work with just about any 
last mile DSL provider (qwest for example).  They only issue is that 
Qwest charges the same whether you use them for ISP or not, so basically 
I have to pay an extra 20$ a month for the ISP on top of my 44$ a month 
making it pretty expensive for a 7Mb DSL service.  But it is pretty 
sweet speed wise.

Do know that some ISPs do not do just port filtering but also do rate 
limiting and traffic shaping.  So you may still be able to do certain 
things but they may get limited down during high use periods or possibly 
could be given very selective amounts of bandwidth.  Some ISPs do this 
to restrict over vendor's VOIP offerings without actually blocking them.

--j

Justin Krejci wrote:
> On Friday 07 July 2006 10:20 pm, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>   
>> Hello all
>>
>> We're moving house soon and will be looking for an ISP at our new
>> place. Currently my wife's parents have Frontier, but most of these
>> come best in packages (phone/cable/internet) and we won't be using the
>> first two at all.
>>
>> We're looking for a high-speed solution, and I'd rather not have to
>> deal with ISP-imposed handicaps on use. (what programs are/aren't
>> allowed, etc)
>>
>> What would you recommend? For features? For price? Both (ideally)?
>> What has been your personal experience?
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
>>
>>                           -jordan
>>
>>     
>
> If you have Qwest phone service in the area then you can get just about any 
> local ISP for a DSL provider and Qwest has been offering naked dsl where you 
> don't need subscribe to their phone service, just DSL over the phone line.
>
> As to finding a local ISP, I am partial to US Internet since I work there. I 
> have had 0 ISP problems. :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   




From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul 10 12:13:45 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:13:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an ISP
In-Reply-To: <1c0330920607072158g4a8cd3a2yca50e8b4b619fad7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250607072020m61209631laebf22edb2fe9b1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<44AF2EAE.2080100@tcq.net>
	<bada98250607072122t2a774622x70ef2835c0002172@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c0330920607072158g4a8cd3a2yca50e8b4b619fad7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B927894F-5A01-4C29-9DB4-DE0BAFF8F341@signal15.com>

Contrary to some of the other postings in this thread, I have had  
great luck with Comcast (except when they brought me 4 dead modems in  
a row, I have my own now)

I'm paying for their business service though, $93 a month for 10MB  
down/768k up.  It's "supposed" to be a static IP (still assigned via  
DHCP), but if I whack in a new firewall that has a different MAC  
addy, it changes.  Not a huge deal, I think I'm done switching  
firewalls for awhile.

When they were ATT Broadband, I had nothing but problems.  When do we  
all get to have fiber right into our basements???  My buddy has  
phone, TV, and internet over fiber down in rochester.

~jay


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 12:16:31 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:16:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  OT: Can-o-air alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0607051116j71ee509j95b7182431c9acf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70607050951n5de47837ob196e8cf2ea84f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0607051116j71ee509j95b7182431c9acf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0607101016l9694dc3icd9b02f0885e34b@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using an air pump for blowing up air mattresses (corded, not
the battery type).  It works really well.  It came with a couple of
nozzles and has pretty good air pressure.  I can even attach the hose
to either intake or exhaust.  It cost me about $20 at Wal-Mart.
- Joey


From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul 10 12:02:38 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:02:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] need a util to get the status of an Adaptec RAID set
Message-ID: <64BE7904-36A2-4BCD-B424-370861745E69@signal15.com>

Any ideas?  I used to have an LSI card, and they had a CLI program to  
get the status of an array and change settings, but I can't seem to  
find anything similar for the Adaptec RAID controller I have now.

Help!

~jay


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul 10 13:33:57 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:33:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] need a util to get the status of an Adaptec RAID
 set
In-Reply-To: <64BE7904-36A2-4BCD-B424-370861745E69@signal15.com>
References: <64BE7904-36A2-4BCD-B424-370861745E69@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607101333410.28078@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Jay Austad wrote:
> Any ideas?  I used to have an LSI card, and they had a CLI program to 
> get the status of an array and change settings, but I can't seem to find 
> anything similar for the Adaptec RAID controller I have now.

afacli?

It's available to download from Dell.

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From emon at nerdshack.com  Mon Jul 10 14:55:14 2006
From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:55:14 +0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem compiling slackware pkg
Message-ID: <44B2B0A2.4050408@nerdshack.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi all

WARNING: This is a long mail  :-)

I am a newbie running Slackware10.2 with KDE desktop & a custom compiled
2.6.13 kernel. During installation I tried to make it as slim as
possible by omitting a lot of (presumably) unnecessary pkgs.

I am trying to get "freevo" up & running, but it seem to have a billion
dependencies for most of which there seem to be no slackware pkg available.

http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/doc/SourceDependencies

So I have ended up compiling pkgs for the dependencies
Here is my problem...

I use a program called "checkinstall" to make slackware (foobar.tgz) pkg
from source. All I have to do is run "./configure" & then run the
command "checkinstall".

Following the above process I have made a "libdvdread-0.9.6" pkg &
installed it on my system.

Now I am trying to make a "lsdvd-0.16" pkg but "./configure" gives error
about header files.

***********************
sh-3.00# ./configure
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
checking for DVDOpen in -ldvdread... yes
checking for dvdread/ifo_read.h... no
configure: error: Header files for dvdread not found
sh-3.00#
***********************

But the header files are definitely there!!!

***********************
sh-3.00# ls /usr/include/dvdread/
cmd_print.h  dvd_reader.h  ifo_print.h  ifo_read.h  ifo_types.h
nav_print.h  nav_read.h  nav_types.h
sh-3.00#
***********************

So I tired "./configure --includedir=/usr/include/dvdread"

But it is still giving me the same error??!!!

Somebody suggested that I download the sources for these two pkgs again,
& give it a go, I did that but to no effect  :-(

Frustrated... & suspecting that I may have done something wrong during
compiling... I downloaded the  "libdvdread-0.9.5-i486-1kjz.tgz" &
"lsdvd-0.16-i486-1kjz.tgz" pkgs from <linuxpackages.net> and installed
them. Now when I try to make "mmpython-0.4.9" pkg I get tons of errors
(again) about header files from the "libdvdread" pkg (I will be pasting
them below)[0]

My questions is what on earth could possibly be wrong with this
"libdvdread" pkg?? or could it be because I omitted some pkgs during
installation..

Can someone please shed some light...
Thanks for your time
Emon

[0]
sh-3.00# python setup.py install
running install
running build
running build_py
running build_ext
building 'mmpython/disc/ifoparser' extension
gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -O3 -march=i486 -mcpu=i686
- -fPIC -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -c disc/ifomodule.c
- -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.4/disc/ifomodule.o
In file included from disc/ifomodule.c:13:
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:32:2: #error "Must include <inttypes.h>
or <stdint.h> before any libdvdread header."
In file included from disc/ifomodule.c:13:
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:68: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:70: error: syntax error before "second"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:71: error: syntax error before "frame_u"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:78: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:143: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:145: error: syntax error before
"code_extension"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:146: error: syntax error before "unknown3"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:175: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:231: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:258: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:260: error: syntax error before
"lang_extension"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:261: error: syntax error before
"code_extension"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:270: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:272: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_cell"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:273: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:274: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:275: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:276: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:277: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:283: error: syntax error before
"pgc_program_map_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:312: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:314: error: syntax error before
"playback_time"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:315: error: syntax error before
"first_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:316: error: syntax error before
"first_ilvu_end_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:317: error: syntax error before
"last_vobu_start_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:318: error: syntax error before
"last_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:333: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:335: error: syntax error before "cell_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:409: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:411: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_cells"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:412: error: syntax error before
"playback_time"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:414: error: syntax error before
"audio_control"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:415: error: syntax error before
"subp_control"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:416: error: syntax error before
"next_pgc_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:417: error: syntax error before
"prev_pgc_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:418: error: syntax error before
"goup_pgc_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:419: error: syntax error before
"pg_playback_mode"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:420: error: syntax error before
"still_time"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:421: error: syntax error before "palette"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:422: error: syntax error before
"command_tbl_offset"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:423: error: syntax error before
"program_map_offset"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:424: error: syntax error before
"cell_playback_offset"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:425: error: syntax error before
"cell_position_offset"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:426: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:427: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:428: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:429: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:430: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:437: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:443: error: syntax error before ':' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:444: error: syntax error before ':' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:445: error: syntax error before ':' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:448: error: syntax error before
"pgc_start_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:449: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:450: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:457: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:459: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:460: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:461: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:468: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:470: error: syntax error before "exists"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:471: error: syntax error before
"lang_start_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:472: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:473: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:480: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:482: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:483: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:484: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:491: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:493: error: syntax error before "zero_1"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:494: error: syntax error before
"start_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:495: error: syntax error before
"last_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:502: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:504: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:505: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:506: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:513: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:515: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:532: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:533: error: conflicting types for `zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:503: error: previous declaration of
`zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:534: error: syntax error before
"vmgi_last_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:535: error: syntax error before "zero_2"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:536: error: syntax error before
"specification_version"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:537: error: syntax error before
"vmg_category"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:538: error: syntax error before
"vmg_nr_of_volumes"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:539: error: syntax error before
"vmg_this_volume_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:540: error: syntax error before "disc_side"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:541: error: syntax error before "zero_3"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:542: error: syntax error before
"vmg_nr_of_title_sets"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:544: error: syntax error before
"vmg_pos_code"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:545: error: syntax error before "zero_4"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:546: error: syntax error before
"vmgi_last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:547: error: syntax error before
"first_play_pgc"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:548: error: syntax error before "zero_5"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:549: error: syntax error before "vmgm_vobs"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:550: error: syntax error before "tt_srpt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:551: error: syntax error before
"vmgm_pgci_ut"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:552: error: syntax error before "ptl_mait"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:553: error: syntax error before "vts_atrt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:554: error: syntax error before "txtdt_mgi"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:555: error: syntax error before
"vmgm_c_adt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:556: error: syntax error before
"vmgm_vobu_admap"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:557: error: syntax error before "zero_6"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:560: error: syntax error before "zero_7"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:561: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vmgm_audio_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:562: error: syntax error before
"vmgm_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:563: error: syntax error before "zero_8"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:564: error: syntax error before "zero_9"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:565: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vmgm_subp_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:566: error: syntax error before
"vmgm_subp_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:567: error: syntax error before "zero_10"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:568: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:597: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:599: error: syntax error before
"parental_id"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:600: error: syntax error before
"title_set_nr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:601: error: syntax error before "vts_ttn"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:602: error: syntax error before
"title_set_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:609: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:610: error: conflicting types for `zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:533: error: previous declaration of
`zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:611: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:612: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:613: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:621: error: syntax error before
"pf_level_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:627: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:629: error: syntax error before
"pf_ptl_mai_start_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:630: error: syntax error before "zero_2"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:631: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:632: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:639: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:641: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:642: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:643: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:650: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:654: error: syntax error before "zero_1"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:655: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtsm_audio_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:656: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:657: error: syntax error before "zero_2"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:657: error: conflicting types for `zero_2'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:630: error: previous declaration of
`zero_2'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:658: error: syntax error before "zero_3"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:658: error: conflicting types for `zero_3'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:541: error: previous declaration of
`zero_3'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:659: error: syntax error before "zero_4"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:659: error: conflicting types for `zero_4'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:545: error: previous declaration of
`zero_4'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:660: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtsm_subp_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:661: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_subp_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:662: error: syntax error before "zero_5"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:662: error: conflicting types for `zero_5'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:548: error: previous declaration of
`zero_5'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:664: error: syntax error before "zero_6"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:664: error: conflicting types for `zero_6'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:557: error: previous declaration of
`zero_6'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:667: error: syntax error before "zero_7"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:668: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtstt_audio_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:669: error: syntax error before
"vtstt_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:670: error: syntax error before "zero_8"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:670: error: conflicting types for `zero_8'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:563: error: previous declaration of
`zero_8'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:671: error: syntax error before "zero_9"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:671: error: conflicting types for `zero_9'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:564: error: previous declaration of
`zero_9'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:672: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtstt_subp_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:673: error: syntax error before
"vtstt_subp_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:674: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:682: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:684: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:685: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:686: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:687: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:694: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:710: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:716: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:718: error: syntax error before
"txtdt_start_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:719: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:720: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:728: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:730: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:731: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:746: error: syntax error before "uint32_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:747: error: conflicting types for `zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:683: error: previous declaration of
`zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:748: error: syntax error before
"vtsi_last_sector"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:749: error: syntax error before "zero_2"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:749: error: conflicting types for `zero_2'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:657: error: previous declaration of
`zero_2'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:750: error: syntax error before
"specification_version"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:751: error: syntax error before
"vts_category"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:752: error: syntax error before "zero_3"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:752: error: conflicting types for `zero_3'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:658: error: previous declaration of
`zero_3'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:753: error: syntax error before "zero_4"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:754: error: syntax error before "zero_5"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:754: error: conflicting types for `zero_5'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:662: error: previous declaration of
`zero_5'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:755: error: syntax error before "zero_6"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:755: error: conflicting types for `zero_6'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:664: error: previous declaration of
`zero_6'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:756: error: syntax error before "zero_7"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:757: error: syntax error before "zero_8"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:757: error: conflicting types for `zero_8'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:670: error: previous declaration of
`zero_8'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:758: error: syntax error before "zero_9"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:759: error: syntax error before "zero_10"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:759: error: conflicting types for `zero_10'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:567: error: previous declaration of
`zero_10'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:760: error: syntax error before
"vtsi_last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:761: error: syntax error before "zero_11"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:762: error: syntax error before "zero_12"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:763: error: syntax error before "vtsm_vobs"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:764: error: syntax error before
"vtstt_vobs"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:765: error: syntax error before
"vts_ptt_srpt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:766: error: syntax error before "vts_pgcit"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:767: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_pgci_ut"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:768: error: syntax error before "vts_tmapt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:769: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_c_adt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:770: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_vobu_admap"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:771: error: syntax error before "vts_c_adt"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:772: error: syntax error before
"vts_vobu_admap"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:773: error: syntax error before "zero_13"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:776: error: syntax error before "zero_14"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:777: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtsm_audio_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:778: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:779: error: syntax error before "zero_15"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:780: error: syntax error before "zero_16"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:781: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vtsm_subp_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:782: error: syntax error before
"vtsm_subp_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:783: error: syntax error before "zero_17"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:784: error: syntax error before "zero_18"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:787: error: syntax error before "zero_19"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:788: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vts_audio_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:789: error: syntax error before
"vts_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:790: error: syntax error before "zero_20"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:791: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_vts_subp_streams"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:792: error: syntax error before
"vts_subp_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:793: error: syntax error before "zero_21"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:794: error: syntax error before
"vts_mu_audio_attr"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:796: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:802: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:810: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:812: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:818: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:819: error: conflicting types for `zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:747: error: previous declaration of
`zero_1'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:820: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:821: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:822: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:823: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:831: error: syntax error before "map_ent_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:837: error: syntax error before "uint8_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:839: error: syntax error before
"nr_of_entries"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:840: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:841: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:848: error: syntax error before "uint16_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:850: error: syntax error before "last_byte"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:851: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:852: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:853: error: syntax error before '}' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:872: error: syntax error before
"vmgi_mat_t"
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:873: error: conflicting types for `tt_srpt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:550: error: previous declaration of
`tt_srpt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:874: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:874: error: conflicting types for
`first_play_pgc'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:547: error: previous declaration of
`first_play_pgc'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:875: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:875: error: conflicting types for
`ptl_mait'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:552: error: previous declaration of
`ptl_mait'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:876: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:876: error: conflicting types for
`vts_atrt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:553: error: previous declaration of
`vts_atrt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:877: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:877: error: conflicting types for
`txtdt_mgi'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:554: error: previous declaration of
`txtdt_mgi'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:880: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:881: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:882: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:885: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:886: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:886: error: conflicting types for
`vts_ptt_srpt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:765: error: previous declaration of
`vts_ptt_srpt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:887: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:887: error: conflicting types for
`vts_pgcit'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:766: error: previous declaration of
`vts_pgcit'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:888: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:888: error: conflicting types for
`vts_tmapt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:768: error: previous declaration of
`vts_tmapt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:889: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:889: error: conflicting types for
`vts_c_adt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:771: error: previous declaration of
`vts_c_adt'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:890: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:890: error: conflicting types for
`vts_vobu_admap'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:772: error: previous declaration of
`vts_vobu_admap'
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_types.h:891: error: syntax error before '}' token
In file included from disc/ifomodule.c:14:
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:38: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:47: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:56: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:63: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:78: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:88: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:97: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:107: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:116: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:127: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:139: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:149: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:161: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:171: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:183: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:193: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:203: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:211: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:212: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:213: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:214: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:215: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:216: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:217: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:218: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:219: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:220: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:221: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:222: error: syntax error before '*' token
/usr/include/dvdread/ifo_read.h:223: error: syntax error before '*' token
disc/ifomodule.c:39: error: syntax error before '*' token
disc/ifomodule.c:39: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
disc/ifomodule.c: In function `ifoinfo_open':
disc/ifomodule.c:42: error: invalid operands to binary *
disc/ifomodule.c:60: error: request for member `tt_srpt' in something
not a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:61: error: request for member `nr_of_srpts' in
something not a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c: In function `ifoinfo_read_title':
disc/ifomodule.c:75: error: invalid operands to binary *
disc/ifomodule.c:76: error: `vtsfile' undeclared (first use in this
function)
disc/ifomodule.c:76: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only
once
disc/ifomodule.c:76: error: for each function it appears in.)
disc/ifomodule.c:85: error: request for member `tt_srpt' in something
not a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:86: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:87: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:97: error: `ttime' undeclared (first use in this function)
disc/ifomodule.c:104: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:105: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c: In function `ifoinfo_get_subtitle_tracks':
disc/ifomodule.c:114: error: invalid operands to binary *
disc/ifomodule.c:116: error: `vtsfile' undeclared (first use in this
function)
disc/ifomodule.c:118: error: `attr' undeclared (first use in this function)
disc/ifomodule.c:126: error: request for member `tt_srpt' in something
not a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:127: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:128: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c: In function `ifoinfo_get_audio_tracks':
disc/ifomodule.c:162: error: `attr' undeclared (first use in this function)
disc/ifomodule.c:165: error: invalid operands to binary *
disc/ifomodule.c:167: error: `vtsfile' undeclared (first use in this
function)
disc/ifomodule.c:175: error: request for member `tt_srpt' in something
not a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:176: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
disc/ifomodule.c:177: error: request for member `title' in something not
a structure or union
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Mon Jul 10 15:29:40 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:29:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:WTB P4 MOBO Socket 423
Message-ID: <2006071020294025b719164d@mail.smumn.edu>

Sorry for posting directly online but I am looking for a P4 motherboard socket 423 with support for DDR (PC2100) memory. If anyone has one for sale/spare please contact me off line. Thank you and have a great week.

-David

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From nate at ima.umn.edu  Mon Jul 10 15:49:14 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:49:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
Message-ID: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu>

Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be willing to
part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I prefer to learn
hands on then by book alone.

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University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 10 19:56:01 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:56:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607110056.k6B0u1I07597@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Intergraph and Baystack

For sale:

1) Baystack 350T-HD  $35
   autosensing 10/100 switch

2) Intergraph GL2 computer $120
   SPECS:
   Dual P2 400MHz processors
   512Meg of ECC RAM
   Linksys PCI NIC included
   AGP video slot (OEM Intergraph card)
   Floppy drive included
   Sony CDR optical drive included
   Shelves for 3 hard drives
   Slots for 2 optical drives

I can take digital pics of either and send them to you via email.

Todd

Seller Email address: auditodd at comcast dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From josh at tcbug.org  Mon Jul 10 21:55:33 2006
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
In-Reply-To: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>

On Monday 10 July 2006 15:49, Nate Sanders wrote:
> Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be
> willing to part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I
> prefer to learn hands on then by book alone.

You might want to consider getting a simulator.  Generally much 
cheaper than real gear and you can test configurations on the sim 
before actually attempting to do the job in real life. :)

I've used BOSON's netsim and have been pretty happy with it.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From sceptre0 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 09:19:04 2006
From: sceptre0 at gmail.com (sceptre0)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:19:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] successful Xubuntu installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0606070047540.18522@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0606070047540.18522@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <9cb25d50607110719x4a2e515dn4767bc1aa685d242@mail.gmail.com>

I installed Ubuntu 6.06 on both my laptop and desktop.  The installer worked
flawlessly on my desktop, but crashed about 10 times on my laptop before I
got it installed.  It also would not let me set up a separate partition for
my home directory on my laptop, but it worked on my desktop.  It was nice to
boot into a Live CD to install the OS, but it was much slower and buggier
than the 5.10 installer.  Hopefully they get these issues worked out soon.

Desktop
P4 2.8 HT
2 gigs RAM
ASUS MB

Laptop
Thinkpad A22m
PIII 800 Mhz
256 mb RAM


On 6/7/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> The desktop installer was buggy, so it took me about 8 tries to get it
> right.  Maybe the alternative installer would have worked better, but I
> did get this one to work.  The workarounds aren't hard once you know what
> they are.  After I got it all figured out (that took a day or so), the
> total time to do the installation was probably about 1 hour, but only
> about 30 minutes of my time was needed.
>
> I was installing Xubuntu as the sole OS on an Intel Compaq machine that is
> a few years old.  This is what I did to get it to work:
>
> (1) Use gparted live CD to partition the HDD:
>
> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
>
> I made a 500 MB partition for linux-swap and the remaining volume went to
> an ext2 partition.  If I used ext3 instead, the installer crashed.  When I
> used gparted within Xubuntu to partition, it crashed the installer.  This
> is why I am recommending the gparted live CD.
>
> (2) Reboot with the Xubuntu CD in the CD drive.
>
> (3) Wait for the desktop to appear (could take a few minutes).
>
> (4) Turn off the screen saver (I was told it can cause problems).
>         (a) right click on desktop and wait for a menu to appear
>         (b) choose "Settings" in the menu and "Settings Manage" under that
>         (c) click on the Screensaver icon
>         (d) in the upper right "mode" menu, choose "Disable Screensaver"
>         (e) click the 'x' in the upper right of the windows to kill them
>
> (5) Right click the Install icon on the desktop and choose "Execute" from
> the menu that appears (normal clicking or double clicking the icon did not
> work for me).
>
> (6) Follow the simple instructions until you get to the partitioning stage
>
> (7) In the menu for the partition manager choose "manually edit" and click
> "forward" until you get to the menu for mounting.  Leave the check marks
> on for "Reformat?" in your HDD partitions.  This must be done because of a
> bug in the installer.
>
> (8) Let the installer do the installing.  It will take a while (30 minutes
> for me).
>
> (9) You can choose to restart when it has completed, but for me it did not
> restart correctly and I had to power down.  When I turned the power back
> on it booted normally and the system looks fine.
>
>
> So far it is looking great.  The network is working.  I'm glad I did it.
>
> But I'll say this:  If they really want this thing to take off and they
> want ordinary people to use Ubuntu, they *really* have to make the
> installation work as well as they possibly can.  The installer does a
> great job of getting things working, but it is way more bug-ridden than it
> should be.  The bugs are not just annoying and they would definitely stop
> many people from completing the installation.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>



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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Tue Jul 11 09:26:57 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:26:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:WTB P4 MOBO Socket 423
In-Reply-To: <2006071020294025b719164d@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <2006071020294025b719164d@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607110918030.13948@beer.tclug.org>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, David Alanis wrote:
> Sorry for posting directly online but I am looking for a P4 motherboard 
> socket 423 with support for DDR (PC2100) memory.

  Dave, I think you're a bit cracked on this one. ;)
  From the articles I've read, there might be some boards based on VIA's 
P4X266 or P4X266A chipsets that fit your needs, but I'm honestly not 
finding them.  They all seem to be socket 478s, despite what I've read 
suggesting otherwise.  I think you may have to abandon whatever socket 423 
processors you might have; it seems to be a dead-end platform.  (Keep in 
mind I support four such systems; I know how hideously expensive RDRAM 
is.)
  Good luck on this, though, and if you prove me wrong, I'd be happy to 
hear it. :)

      Jima


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Jul 11 09:38:38 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:38:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] successful Xubuntu installation
In-Reply-To: <9cb25d50607110719x4a2e515dn4767bc1aa685d242@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0606070047540.18522@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<9cb25d50607110719x4a2e515dn4767bc1aa685d242@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607110936090.22153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, sceptre0 wrote:

> I installed Ubuntu 6.06 on both my laptop and desktop.  The installer 
> worked flawlessly on my desktop, but crashed about 10 times on my laptop 
> before I got it installed.  It also would not let me set up a separate 
> partition for my home directory on my laptop, but it worked on my 
> desktop.  It was nice to boot into a Live CD to install the OS, but it 
> was much slower and buggier than the 5.10 installer.  Hopefully they get 
> these issues worked out soon.

Thanks for the confirmation.  It's a really big mistake for the Ubuntu 
group to distribute a major release with a very buggy installer.  Really 
sad because the thing works fantastically once you get past the early 
stages of the installation.  Not many inexperienced people will be able to 
get through the first part of the installation.  It's a big setback.

Mike


From jimdscott at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 10:02:06 2006
From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:02:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] successful Xubuntu installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607110936090.22153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0606070047540.18522@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<9cb25d50607110719x4a2e515dn4767bc1aa685d242@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607110936090.22153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <c2c8c3a0607110802g200a632hfe2107c303a77e61@mail.gmail.com>

I had a huge problem configuring grub with the lastest Ubuntu installer. My
first HD is a SATA drive (/dev/sda). A friend gave me an IDE drive that I
use for backups (/dev/hdb). The installer kept insisting that /dev/hdb was
the first drive, so I couldn't boot to anything until I edited my
/boot/grub/menu.lst and device.map.

On 7/11/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, sceptre0 wrote:
>
> > I installed Ubuntu 6.06 on both my laptop and desktop.  The installer
> > worked flawlessly on my desktop, but crashed about 10 times on my laptop
> > before I got it installed.  It also would not let me set up a separate
> > partition for my home directory on my laptop, but it worked on my
> > desktop.  It was nice to boot into a Live CD to install the OS, but it
> > was much slower and buggier than the 5.10 installer.  Hopefully they get
> > these issues worked out soon.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation.  It's a really big mistake for the Ubuntu
> group to distribute a major release with a very buggy installer.  Really
> sad because the thing works fantastically once you get past the early
> stages of the installation.  Not many inexperienced people will be able to
> get through the first part of the installation.  It's a big setback.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 11 22:59:28 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:59:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 (slug) de-underclock modification [running
	linux... ]
Message-ID: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>

Hi all,
  I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if you 
haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports and 
you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course, it 
runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian, 
gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from 
266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount resistor 
needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can 
solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and 
could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx


From john.meier at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 10:13:18 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:13:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 (slug) de-underclock modification [running
	linux... ]
In-Reply-To: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nick-

Meant to mention that I also have some experince with soldering surface
mount junk - I've modded a few playstations and the like.  I have a
soldering iron with a fine tip.  I could give it a try ...


I also just bought a nslu2 locally, so if yours gets fubared, I could
probably return it :)

On 7/11/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>   I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if you
> haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports and
> you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course, it
> runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian,
> gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from
> 266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount resistor
> needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can
> solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and
> could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?
>
> Nick
>
> "All unix, all the time."
>
> http://npt.ath.cx
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 12 12:18:32 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:18:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 (slug) de-underclock modification [running
 linux... ]
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>

John Meier wrote:
> Hey Nick-
> 
> Meant to mention that I also have some experince with soldering surface
> mount junk - I've modded a few playstations and the like.  I have a
> soldering iron with a fine tip.  I could give it a try ...
> 
> 
> I also just bought a nslu2 locally, so if yours gets fubared, I could
> probably return it :)
> 
Holy crap, the nail clippers actually worked. I had read about it before 
you sent me the link, but I just didn't have the guts to do it before. 
Anyway, since you everything you sent me (the razor blade, exacto knife, 
etc ideas from the mail you sent to my address) agreed with the idea in 
theory, I figured fuck it and when I got home from work, I was willing 
to bet $80 it would work, and literally *double* my cpu speed. My gosh, 
it worked! (Of course, in having been an idiot and just powered it down 
w/o halting it [so the drive was still mounted] I can't seem to get it 
to power back up to my gentoo install on the usb drive... ssh never 
comes up. However, I know it worked, and am guessing I just need to plug 
the usb drive into one of my desktops and run fsck on the thing... I 
think the ssh daemon never comes up because it's running fsck on the 120 
gig drive on the slug, which is a slow machine even though I just 
doubled the speed. :) BTW, I know it worked because if I unplug the usb 
drive, openslug does come up and I can ssh in to that, and dmesg shows 
266 mhz / bogomips so *sweet* hehe anyway, I am celebrating, but once I 
get gentoo back up and the ssh daemon lets me in, then I really will be 
happy because holy shit will it be cool to suddenly just literally 
double the speed of a machine... especially a gentoo box. : ) Anyway, 
updates to follow...

Also, john, I am very interested in the serial port mod as well... I 
have everything, pre assembled with a 4 ping female end... just need to 
solder pins or wires into the holes on the board... still though, I am 
afraid of breaking it. If you think you could pull off the serial mod... : )


Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx




> On 7/11/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>   I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if you
>> haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports and
>> you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course, it
>> runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian,
>> gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from
>> 266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount resistor
>> needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can
>> solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and
>> could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> "All unix, all the time."
>>
>> http://npt.ath.cx
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> 



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Jul 12 21:51:15 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:51:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607130251.k6D2pFO17109@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Rent

Subject: Wanted Linux Tutor $$ per Hr.

I need of a Linux tutor. I need someone 1:1 to answer questions.
I currently have Suse 10 loaded on a Tablet PC, Ubunto on a home workstation. 
Located in South Minneapolis.

Seller Email address: esamuel at mn dot rr dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 23:16:45 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:16:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <200607130251.k6D2pFO17109@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200607130251.k6D2pFO17109@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <914f813c0607122116s6a41a111l946484790e8eb4e9@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/12/06, TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org> wrote:
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
>
> Category: Computer
>
> Type of Ad: Want to Rent
>
> Subject: Wanted Linux Tutor $$ per Hr.
>
> I need of a Linux tutor. I need someone 1:1 to answer questions.
> I currently have Suse 10 loaded on a Tablet PC, Ubunto on a home workstation.
> Located in South Minneapolis.
>
> Seller Email address: esamuel at mn dot rr dot com
>
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi

Like others who have posted a similar request, the first thing to
mention is that this mailing list can be a good resource, if you know
what questions you want to ask. If you're not sure what you want to
know, it may help to at least specify areas where your questions will
be.

Most of us read this list out of some sick desire to help people out
with Linux :) (Well, that and other miscellaneous junk...)


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Jul 13 11:32:00 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:32:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
In-Reply-To: <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu> <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607131132.AA32000062@sbn-services.com>

A Cisco 2500 series router can easily be purchased for a lot less than the cost of this software. Early routers like 2501 and 2514 you
can find for around $30. In fact, most brokers I know don't even deal with these anymore as they have 0 resale value. 

Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)

> On Monday 10 July 2006 15:49, Nate Sanders wrote:
> > Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be
> > willing to part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I
> > prefer to learn hands on then by book alone.
> 
> You might want to consider getting a simulator.  Generally much 
> cheaper than real gear and you can test configurations on the sim 
> before actually attempting to do the job in real life. :)
> 
> I've used BOSON's netsim and have been pretty happy with it.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh Paetzel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From nate at ima.umn.edu  Thu Jul 13 13:03:14 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:03:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607131132.AA32000062@sbn-services.com>
References: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu> <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>
	<WorldClient-F200607131132.AA32000062@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <44B68AE2.3050509@ima.umn.edu>

So far I've read some pretty funny things about this. A lot of people
hate the Boson NetSim software because of inaccurate information and
problems with the simulator. A lot of people hate the ciscopress books,
and others hate the Tod Lamle books..

But NO ONE suggests any alternative to these..


Sean Waite wrote:

>A Cisco 2500 series router can easily be purchased for a lot less than the cost of this software. Early routers like 2501 and 2514 you
>can find for around $30. In fact, most brokers I know don't even deal with these anymore as they have 0 resale value. 
>
>Sean Waite
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:33 -0500
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
>
>  
>
>>On Monday 10 July 2006 15:49, Nate Sanders wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be
>>>willing to part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I
>>>prefer to learn hands on then by book alone.
>>>      
>>>
>>You might want to consider getting a simulator.  Generally much 
>>cheaper than real gear and you can test configurations on the sim 
>>before actually attempting to do the job in real life. :)
>>
>>I've used BOSON's netsim and have been pretty happy with it.
>>
>>-- 
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Josh Paetzel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>


-- 
==============================================
Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
University of Minnesota
400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
============================================== 




From gscottwalters at gmail.com  Thu Jul 13 14:57:24 2006
From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:57:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
In-Reply-To: <44B68AE2.3050509@ima.umn.edu>
References: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu> <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>
	<WorldClient-F200607131132.AA32000062@sbn-services.com>
	<44B68AE2.3050509@ima.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <34b4c76d0607131257g500ea469y341268a1460d0c76@mail.gmail.com>

What about the Sybex books?

I haven't passed my CCNA test yet, but this seems like good prep.
Clear examples, hardcover book AND cdrom with PDF of book. Flashcards
for your palm device.

On 7/13/06, Nate Sanders <nate at ima.umn.edu> wrote:
> So far I've read some pretty funny things about this. A lot of people
> hate the Boson NetSim software because of inaccurate information and
> problems with the simulator. A lot of people hate the ciscopress books,
> and others hate the Tod Lamle books..
>
> But NO ONE suggests any alternative to these..
>
>
> Sean Waite wrote:
>
> >A Cisco 2500 series router can easily be purchased for a lot less than the cost of this software. Early routers like 2501 and 2514 you
> >can find for around $30. In fact, most brokers I know don't even deal with these anymore as they have 0 resale value.
> >
> >Sean Waite
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
> >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:33 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Monday 10 July 2006 15:49, Nate Sanders wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be
> >>>willing to part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I
> >>>prefer to learn hands on then by book alone.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You might want to consider getting a simulator.  Generally much
> >>cheaper than real gear and you can test configurations on the sim
> >>before actually attempting to do the job in real life. :)
> >>
> >>I've used BOSON's netsim and have been pretty happy with it.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Josh Paetzel
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
> Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
>            http://www.ima.umn.edu/
> ==============================================
> Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
> University of Minnesota
> 400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463
> ==============================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-- 
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net


From steventrapp at comcast.net  Thu Jul 13 15:55:28 2006
From: steventrapp at comcast.net (Steven N. Trapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:55:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Intro of me to grp; WAS: Re: NSLU2 de-underclk mod...
In-Reply-To: <44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>



<<OVER-AND-OUT
--
Wow. That's way cool thing you're doing. As far as hardware goes,
I independently reinvented the BLOB METHOD when it comes to soldering.
So I don't do much of that.  Besides I breathed too much lead trying.

What I was wondering is if anyone knows of anyone willing to think
about selling a BorderGuard 1000 or BorderGuard 2000 (preferably a
2000).  They were manufactured by NSC/STK/SUN when they were at
7600/7625 BooneAvS.  Their URL was the infamously great (but their
website was stupidly under done):  www.network.com
--

Party like it is 2006! --Prince will do this, I hope!

.signature file contents:
--
    ##====================##    steventrapp at comcast.net
    ||  SSS   N   N  TTTTT||    a.k.a. "The Keystone Strapper"
    || S      NN  N    T  ||    a.k.a.  __keystoneStrapper__
    ||  SSS   N N N    T  ||    Mpls, MN 55421, USA
    ||     S  N  NN    T  ||    5020 Mulcare Drive
    ||  SSS   N   N    T  ||    Steven N. Trapp
    ##====================##    Apt Bsmt        (763) 913-6271
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
As John Nelson (uncle of RHS) would say:
OVER-AND-OUT
--

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:

> John Meier wrote:
> > Hey Nick-
> > 
> > Meant to mention that I also have some experince with soldering surface
> > mount junk - I've modded a few playstations and the like.  I have a
> > soldering iron with a fine tip.  I could give it a try ...
> > 
> > 
> > I also just bought a nslu2 locally, so if yours gets fubared, I could
> > probably return it :)
> > 
> Holy crap, the nail clippers actually worked. I had read about it before 
> you sent me the link, but I just didn't have the guts to do it before. 
> Anyway, since you everything you sent me (the razor blade, exacto knife, 
> etc ideas from the mail you sent to my address) agreed with the idea in 
> theory, I figured fuck it and when I got home from work, I was willing 
> to bet $80 it would work, and literally *double* my cpu speed. My gosh, 
> it worked! (Of course, in having been an idiot and just powered it down 
> w/o halting it [so the drive was still mounted] I can't seem to get it 
> to power back up to my gentoo install on the usb drive... ssh never 
> comes up. However, I know it worked, and am guessing I just need to plug 
> the usb drive into one of my desktops and run fsck on the thing... I 
> think the ssh daemon never comes up because it's running fsck on the 120 
> gig drive on the slug, which is a slow machine even though I just 
> doubled the speed. :) BTW, I know it worked because if I unplug the usb 
> drive, openslug does come up and I can ssh in to that, and dmesg shows 
> 266 mhz / bogomips so *sweet* hehe anyway, I am celebrating, but once I 
> get gentoo back up and the ssh daemon lets me in, then I really will be 
> happy because holy shit will it be cool to suddenly just literally 
> double the speed of a machine... especially a gentoo box. : ) Anyway, 
> updates to follow...
> 
> Also, john, I am very interested in the serial port mod as well... I 
> have everything, pre assembled with a 4 ping female end... just need to 
> solder pins or wires into the holes on the board... still though, I am 
> afraid of breaking it. If you think you could pull off the serial mod... : )
> 
> 
> Nick
> 
> "All unix, all the time."
> 
> http://npt.ath.cx
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 7/11/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>   I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if you
> >> haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports and
> >> you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course, it
> >> runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian,
> >> gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from
> >> 266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount resistor
> >> needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can
> >> solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and
> >> could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> "All unix, all the time."
> >>
> >> http://npt.ath.cx
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 13 22:28:07 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:28:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Intro of me to grp / NSLU2 de-underclk mod /
 compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH controller 2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
Message-ID: <44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>

Steven N. Trapp wrote:
> 
> <<OVER-AND-OUT
> --
> Wow. That's way cool thing you're doing. As far as hardware goes,
> I independently reinvented the BLOB METHOD when it comes to soldering.
> So I don't do much of that.  Besides I breathed too much lead trying.
> 
Hehe yeah it is pretty fun, the nslu2 community is incredibly helpful 
too, of the like ga-zillions of unix / tech / computer / unix / unix 
mailing lists I'm on, nslu2-linux list is great, openslug list is great, 
nslu2-general is more broad, unslung openslug everything is talked about 
on here. still good though. Also, *this* very mailing list kicks ass, as 
you can see by how nice John is being, and just how nice and helpful 
everybody is. I love TCLUG. Anyway, hope to hear back on the serial 
mod... cool either way, just scared to break it. Anyway, I am too damned 
tired to work on this thing tonight, and that is very unlike me...

...But I have been working on getting a 2.6 kernel working on a compaq 
proliant 2500 with a U1 storage array and a 2/DH storage array 
controller. Anyone with personal experience with a 2.6 kernel on this 
type of machine, I would love it if you would say something... (to the 
person whom i got this from, you know who you are... : ) I would feel 
guilty asking you for help on this one, since you hooked me up with such 
great equipment. anyway, I of course in no way mean "do not respond" I 
just mean, don't put effort into it if it's at all a bother, you already 
helped me out so much. hehe. I ramble. anyway, this thing has 12 4.3 gb 
scsi drives, between the 5 in the machine (dual ppro 200, 320 megs ram)
and the 7 in the separate rackable (both rackable) U1 storage array, so 
anyway... apparently these Smart/2 controllers are cool as hell, from 
what I've read. : ) Anyone have any experience?

p.s. sorry for combining posts... i should scold myself

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx





> What I was wondering is if anyone knows of anyone willing to think
> about selling a BorderGuard 1000 or BorderGuard 2000 (preferably a
> 2000).  They were manufactured by NSC/STK/SUN when they were at
> 7600/7625 BooneAvS.  Their URL was the infamously great (but their
> website was stupidly under done):  www.network.com
> --
> 
> Party like it is 2006! --Prince will do this, I hope!
> 
> .signature file contents:
> --
>     ##====================##    steventrapp at comcast.net
>     ||  SSS   N   N  TTTTT||    a.k.a. "The Keystone Strapper"
>     || S      NN  N    T  ||    a.k.a.  __keystoneStrapper__
>     ||  SSS   N N N    T  ||    Mpls, MN 55421, USA
>     ||     S  N  NN    T  ||    5020 Mulcare Drive
>     ||  SSS   N   N    T  ||    Steven N. Trapp
>     ##====================##    Apt Bsmt        (763) 913-6271
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> --
> As John Nelson (uncle of RHS) would say:
> OVER-AND-OUT
> --
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:
> 
>> John Meier wrote:
>>> Hey Nick-
>>>
>>> Meant to mention that I also have some experince with soldering surface
>>> mount junk - I've modded a few playstations and the like.  I have a
>>> soldering iron with a fine tip.  I could give it a try ...
>>>
>>>
>>> I also just bought a nslu2 locally, so if yours gets fubared, I could
>>> probably return it :)
>>>
>> Holy crap, the nail clippers actually worked. I had read about it before 
>> you sent me the link, but I just didn't have the guts to do it before. 
>> Anyway, since you everything you sent me (the razor blade, exacto knife, 
>> etc ideas from the mail you sent to my address) agreed with the idea in 
>> theory, I figured fuck it and when I got home from work, I was willing 
>> to bet $80 it would work, and literally *double* my cpu speed. My gosh, 
>> it worked! (Of course, in having been an idiot and just powered it down 
>> w/o halting it [so the drive was still mounted] I can't seem to get it 
>> to power back up to my gentoo install on the usb drive... ssh never 
>> comes up. However, I know it worked, and am guessing I just need to plug 
>> the usb drive into one of my desktops and run fsck on the thing... I 
>> think the ssh daemon never comes up because it's running fsck on the 120 
>> gig drive on the slug, which is a slow machine even though I just 
>> doubled the speed. :) BTW, I know it worked because if I unplug the usb 
>> drive, openslug does come up and I can ssh in to that, and dmesg shows 
>> 266 mhz / bogomips so *sweet* hehe anyway, I am celebrating, but once I 
>> get gentoo back up and the ssh daemon lets me in, then I really will be 
>> happy because holy shit will it be cool to suddenly just literally 
>> double the speed of a machine... especially a gentoo box. : ) Anyway, 
>> updates to follow...
>>
>> Also, john, I am very interested in the serial port mod as well... I 
>> have everything, pre assembled with a 4 ping female end... just need to 
>> solder pins or wires into the holes on the board... still though, I am 
>> afraid of breaking it. If you think you could pull off the serial mod... : )
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> "All unix, all the time."
>>
>> http://npt.ath.cx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/11/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>   I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if you
>>>> haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports and
>>>> you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course, it
>>>> runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian,
>>>> gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from
>>>> 266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount resistor
>>>> needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can
>>>> solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and
>>>> could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> "All unix, all the time."
>>>>
>>>> http://npt.ath.cx
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> 



From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Jul 13 22:41:58 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:41:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Keep up to date on your kernels...
In-Reply-To: <44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com> 
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20060714034158.CF46E7268@skuld.wookimus.net>

nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com>  wrote:
> ...But I have been working on getting a 2.6 kernel working on a
> compaq proliant 2500 with a U1 storage array and a 2/DH storage
> array controller.

Just want to remind everyone to keep up to date on your kernels.  Even
recent 2.6 version have known local exploits, one recently used to
break in to gluck.debian.org.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From MBELDEN at mn.rr.com  Fri Jul 14 08:24:42 2006
From: MBELDEN at mn.rr.com (MBELDEN at mn.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:24:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
Message-ID: <fe93c9b215b03.15b03fe93c9b2@rdc-kc.rr.com>

I used the Sybex book and the Cisco Press flashcards - would definitely 
recommend both, but hands-on experience is key (the Boson simulator 
will work just fine for CCNA).



-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-
linux.org] On Behalf Of G. Scott Walters
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:57 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)


What about the Sybex books?

I haven't passed my CCNA test yet, but this seems like good prep. Clear 
examples, hardcover book AND cdrom with PDF of book. Flashcards for 
your palm device.

On 7/13/06, Nate Sanders <nate at ima.umn.edu> wrote:
> So far I've read some pretty funny things about this. A lot of people 
> hate the Boson NetSim software because of inaccurate information and 
> problems with the simulator. A lot of people hate the ciscopress 
> books, and others hate the Tod Lamle books..
>
> But NO ONE suggests any alternative to these..
>
>
> Sean Waite wrote:
>
> >A Cisco 2500 series router can easily be purchased for a lot less 
> >than the cost of this software. Early routers like 2501 and 2514 you 
> >can find for around $30. In fact, most brokers I know don't even 
deal 
> >with these anymore as they have 0 resale value.
> >
> >Sean Waite
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
> >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:33 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Monday 10 July 2006 15:49, Nate Sanders wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Anyone have some 2500's or similar level equip they would be 
> >>>willing to part with? I want to start on the Cisco Cert path and I 
> >>>prefer to learn hands on then by book alone.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You might want to consider getting a simulator.  Generally much 
> >>cheaper than real gear and you can test configurations on the sim 
> >>before actually attempting to do the job in real life. :)
> >>
> >>I've used BOSON's netsim and have been pretty happy with it.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Josh Paetzel
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
> >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Nate Sanders                  nate at ima.umn.edu
> Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
>            http://www.ima.umn.edu/ 
> ==============================================
> Institute for Mathematics and its Applications
> University of Minnesota
> 400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463 
> ==============================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-- 
-
G. Scott Walters
http://www.apt518.net






From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Fri Jul 14 08:26:03 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:26:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] local refurb shop?
Message-ID: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

Morning List-

Had a server go out last night. I think the mobo is shot. Anyone know of a 
good, local, refurb shop that would just have some P3 or P4 servers lying 
around that would support a 64-bit SCSI / RAID card (one of the old LONG ones 
on a riser card, initially)? I'd like to just stick the card and the drives 
back in the new server.

Thanks.

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 08:49:27 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:49:27 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 alternative
Message-ID: <071420061349.29845.44B7A0E70008AE6B0000749522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I just started to play with FreeNAS.
If you have an old PC laying around, it works fairly well.

My advice though, forget software RAID. Too unstable. 
I had 3 80Gig drives set up with software RAID5 and we lost 
power Monday night (yeah I know, I should have had it on a 
UPS). RAID go bye-bye! :-) A quick Google of the situation
showed that it just wasn't worth my time to try and recover
the RAID or data since the data was backed up elsewhere.

So I re-allocated the drives as just 3 seperate drives with 1
share per drive. No redundancy, but I'm not worried about
that (it would have been nice, but not critical).

--
----
------
Todd Young


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 09:20:59 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:20:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 alternative
In-Reply-To: <071420061349.29845.44B7A0E70008AE6B0000749522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <071420061349.29845.44B7A0E70008AE6B0000749522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <914f813c0607140720q61ea3ae1p9885a823ae26770a@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/14/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
> I just started to play with FreeNAS.
> If you have an old PC laying around, it works fairly well.
>
> My advice though, forget software RAID. Too unstable.
> I had 3 80Gig drives set up with software RAID5 and we lost
> power Monday night (yeah I know, I should have had it on a
> UPS). RAID go bye-bye! :-) A quick Google of the situation
> showed that it just wasn't worth my time to try and recover
> the RAID or data since the data was backed up elsewhere.

Why/How did the RAID fail? was it mid-write or something? Shouldn't
that come out fine, as if they had been three separate drives in the
first place? I've never done a lot of reading up on it, but I was
under the impressions software RAID worked just fine.


From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 09:46:35 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:46:35 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 alternative
Message-ID: <071420061446.22826.44B7AE4B00091CA40000592A22070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>





 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com>
> On 7/14/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I just started to play with FreeNAS.
> > If you have an old PC laying around, it works fairly well.
> >
> > My advice though, forget software RAID. Too unstable.
> > I had 3 80Gig drives set up with software RAID5 and we lost
> > power Monday night (yeah I know, I should have had it on a
> > UPS). RAID go bye-bye! :-) A quick Google of the situation
> > showed that it just wasn't worth my time to try and recover
> > the RAID or data since the data was backed up elsewhere.
> 
> Why/How did the RAID fail? was it mid-write or something? Shouldn't
> that come out fine, as if they had been three separate drives in the
> first place? I've never done a lot of reading up on it, but I was
> under the impressions software RAID worked just fine.

I'm not sure "how" it failed. I noticed it was down and powered it back up, 
then my stepson mentioned that the power had gone out the night before. 
After it came up, I logged in and the RAID was "offline" so I tried to restart
it and it said it was already starting up. So I let it sit overnight and the 
next day it was started, but the mount point was hosed. I can't 
remember exactly what I found via Google, but I thought the heck with it.

A couple sites that I found via Google mentioned that software RAID was
still buggy and unreliable (yeah, yeah I know, don't believe everything
your read in forums). I also found the data transfer speed onto the 
software RAID to be a bit slow, about half as fast as an FTP or copy 
onto a regular Samba shared folder/drive. I copied a 4Gig DVD ISO 
image to and from the software RAID and it took at least twice as 
long to finish compared to the Samba share I had on my Linux server,
which was the same make/model of 80Gig drive, but not in a software
RAID.
--
----
------
Todd Young



From lists at turbobit.com  Fri Jul 14 04:14:05 2006
From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:14:05 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] local refurb shop?
In-Reply-To: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <20060714091405.GA18568@turbobit.com>

Not refurb shops, but good to find used computer equipment cheap or recycle,
some local resources:

http://www.computerservicecenterproduct.com - Sell a lot of used/return
computer equipment on ebay, up in Blaine.  Local pickup($2) walkin during
M-F 7-5, S mornings.  They have a few servers listed on ebay store.
They offer some recycling, have a minimal front sales area, not well stocked
like General Nano, but a few things available.

http://www.assetrecoverycorp.com/ - St. Paul by Univerity & 280, large
recycler, they list computers on ebay.  Have some servers listed now.
You can drop in or schedule to recycle.
They do free local ebay pickup but they require 1-2 days after
payment and you need to schedule to pickup only in afternoon(1:00-5:00).
They do not have a store to browse(just ebay).  Heavy duty recycler.

http://materialsprocessing.com/ - Eagan, Have not visited since St. Paul
days, they used to have a large sales area for selling recycled
electronic/computer equipment.  Looks like they still have a store
and now resell on ebay.

http://www.nanosys1.com - General Nano - St. Paul(Univ. & 280 go west
3-4 blocks).  Specialize in stocking white-box build your own items:
memory, cpus, etc.

http://www.quecomputers.com/

Box Shop-Dirt Cheap - St. Paul, (they need a web site, geez.)

3M - used to do regular scheduled auctions of equipment/computers, not
sure if they do this still.


On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 08:26:03AM -0500, Henrik Hudson wrote:
> Morning List-
> 
> Had a server go out last night. I think the mobo is shot. Anyone know of a 
> good, local, refurb shop that would just have some P3 or P4 servers lying 
> around that would support a 64-bit SCSI / RAID card (one of the old LONG ones 
> on a riser card, initially)? I'd like to just stick the card and the drives 
> back in the new server.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Henrik
> -- 
> Henrik Hudson
> rhavenn at rhavenn.net
> ------------------------------
> "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
>  understand binary and those who don't..."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Jul 14 10:07:11 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:07:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH
 controller 2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607140926530.13948@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:
> ...But I have been working on getting a 2.6 kernel working on a compaq
> proliant 2500 with a U1 storage array and a 2/DH storage array
> controller. Anyone with personal experience with a 2.6 kernel on this
> type of machine, I would love it if you would say something...

  I've got 2.6.17 (+ vendor patches) running on a Proliant 5000, 4x200mhz 
PPro, 640mb RAM, 5x9gb in hardware RAID (via 2/P controller, it seems).
  Aside from some extra kernel arguments to recognise all of the memory, it 
pretty much worked right away.  Let me know if you want/need details.

      Jima


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Fri Jul 14 10:08:24 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:08:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] local refurb shop?
In-Reply-To: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607141008.AA08240064@sbn-services.com>

Is this a generic white box server, or a Compaq, IBM, or Dell? There are several parts brokers in the Twin Cities who work with Compaq,
Sun, and Dell. Keep in mind though that these companies charge a very high price claiming they have been thoroughly tested. First I
would check out http://www.serverworlds.com/ located in Plymouth I believe. 

Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Hudson <rhavenn at rhavenn.net>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:26:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] local refurb shop?

> Morning List-
> 
> Had a server go out last night. I think the mobo is shot. Anyone know of a 
> good, local, refurb shop that would just have some P3 or P4 servers lying 
> around that would support a 64-bit SCSI / RAID card (one of the old LONG ones 
> on a riser card, initially)? I'd like to just stick the card and the drives 
> back in the new server.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Henrik
> -- 
> Henrik Hudson
> rhavenn at rhavenn.net
> ------------------------------
> "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
>  understand binary and those who don't..."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Fri Jul 14 10:37:33 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:37:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] local refurb shop?
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607141008.AA08240064@sbn-services.com>
References: <200607140826.03150.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
	<WorldClient-F200607141008.AA08240064@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <200607141037.33611.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Friday 14 July 2006 10:08, "Sean Waite" <swaite at sbn-services.com> sent a 
missive stating: 
> Is this a generic white box server, or a Compaq, IBM, or Dell? There are
> several parts brokers in the Twin Cities who work with Compaq, Sun, and
> Dell. Keep in mind though that these companies charge a very high price
> claiming they have been thoroughly tested. First I would check out
> http://www.serverworlds.com/ located in Plymouth I believe.
>

It's a 5 year old "whitebox"..bought it from www.qsol.com (good servers by the 
way)

Thanks for all the feedback everyone! :)

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 11:25:35 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:25:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco Gear (CCNA Cert)
In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0607131257g500ea469y341268a1460d0c76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44B2BD4A.4080900@ima.umn.edu> <200607102155.33514.josh@tcbug.org>
	<WorldClient-F200607131132.AA32000062@sbn-services.com>
	<44B68AE2.3050509@ima.umn.edu>
	<34b4c76d0607131257g500ea469y341268a1460d0c76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020607140925m31a15f96j1b2c5e953c5f04db@mail.gmail.com>

The Sybex simulator follows thier book exactly. There is no flexiblity
for setting up or simulating your own enviorment. I've never used the
Boston simulator myself, but that feature made it interesting.


-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From john.meier at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 11:33:10 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:33:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Intro of me to grp / NSLU2 de-underclk mod /
	compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH controller
	2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0607140933r7bd38c54n9903a5cdabc99eef@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/13/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Steven N. Trapp wrote:
> >
> > <<OVER-AND-OUT
> > --
> > Wow. That's way cool thing you're doing. As far as hardware goes,
> > I independently reinvented the BLOB METHOD when it comes to soldering.
> > So I don't do much of that.  Besides I breathed too much lead trying.
> >
> Hehe yeah it is pretty fun, the nslu2 community is incredibly helpful
> too, of the like ga-zillions of unix / tech / computer / unix / unix
> mailing lists I'm on, nslu2-linux list is great, openslug list is great,
> nslu2-general is more broad, unslung openslug everything is talked about
> on here. still good though. Also, *this* very mailing list kicks ass, as
> you can see by how nice John is being, and just how nice and helpful
> everybody is. I love TCLUG. Anyway, hope to hear back on the serial
> mod... cool either way, just scared to break it. Anyway, I am too damned
> tired to work on this thing tonight, and that is very unlike me...



I can do your soldering.  I have to find my solding junk - so contact me off
list for date/time to do it.  the mod instructions  didn't give me a good
view of the connector that is soldered on the board - does it go through the
board and soldered on the other side or is it surface mounted?  I would
think it'd go through...




...But I have been working on getting a 2.6 kernel working on a compaq
> proliant 2500 with a U1 storage array and a 2/DH storage array
> controller. Anyone with personal experience with a 2.6 kernel on this
> type of machine, I would love it if you would say something... (to the
> person whom i got this from, you know who you are... : ) I would feel
> guilty asking you for help on this one, since you hooked me up with such
> great equipment. anyway, I of course in no way mean "do not respond" I
> just mean, don't put effort into it if it's at all a bother, you already
> helped me out so much. hehe. I ramble. anyway, this thing has 12 4.3 gb
> scsi drives, between the 5 in the machine (dual ppro 200, 320 megs ram)
> and the 7 in the separate rackable (both rackable) U1 storage array, so
> anyway... apparently these Smart/2 controllers are cool as hell, from
> what I've read. : ) Anyone have any experience?
>
> p.s. sorry for combining posts... i should scold myself
>
> Nick
>
> "All unix, all the time."
>
> http://npt.ath.cx
>
>
>
>
>
> > What I was wondering is if anyone knows of anyone willing to think
> > about selling a BorderGuard 1000 or BorderGuard 2000 (preferably a
> > 2000).  They were manufactured by NSC/STK/SUN when they were at
> > 7600/7625 BooneAvS.  Their URL was the infamously great (but their
> > website was stupidly under done):  www.network.com
> > --
> >
> > Party like it is 2006! --Prince will do this, I hope!
> >
> > .signature file contents:
> > --
> >     ##==========##    steventrapp at comcast.net
> >     ||  SSS   N   N  TTTTT||    a.k.a. "The Keystone Strapper"
> >     || S      NN  N    T  ||    a.k.a.  __keystoneStrapper__
> >     ||  SSS   N N N    T  ||    Mpls, MN 55421, USA
> >     ||     S  N  NN    T  ||    5020 Mulcare Drive
> >     ||  SSS   N   N    T  ||    Steven N. Trapp
> >     ##==========##    Apt Bsmt        (763) 913-6271
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > --
> > As John Nelson (uncle of RHS) would say:
> > OVER-AND-OUT
> > --
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:
> >
> >> John Meier wrote:
> >>> Hey Nick-
> >>>
> >>> Meant to mention that I also have some experince with soldering
> surface
> >>> mount junk - I've modded a few playstations and the like.  I have a
> >>> soldering iron with a fine tip.  I could give it a try ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I also just bought a nslu2 locally, so if yours gets fubared, I could
> >>> probably return it :)
> >>>
> >> Holy crap, the nail clippers actually worked. I had read about it
> before
> >> you sent me the link, but I just didn't have the guts to do it before.
> >> Anyway, since you everything you sent me (the razor blade, exacto
> knife,
> >> etc ideas from the mail you sent to my address) agreed with the idea in
> >> theory, I figured fuck it and when I got home from work, I was willing
> >> to bet $80 it would work, and literally *double* my cpu speed. My gosh,
> >> it worked! (Of course, in having been an idiot and just powered it down
> >> w/o halting it [so the drive was still mounted] I can't seem to get it
> >> to power back up to my gentoo install on the usb drive... ssh never
> >> comes up. However, I know it worked, and am guessing I just need to
> plug
> >> the usb drive into one of my desktops and run fsck on the thing... I
> >> think the ssh daemon never comes up because it's running fsck on the
> 120
> >> gig drive on the slug, which is a slow machine even though I just
> >> doubled the speed. :) BTW, I know it worked because if I unplug the usb
> >> drive, openslug does come up and I can ssh in to that, and dmesg shows
> >> 266 mhz / bogomips so *sweet* hehe anyway, I am celebrating, but once I
> >> get gentoo back up and the ssh daemon lets me in, then I really will be
> >> happy because holy shit will it be cool to suddenly just literally
> >> double the speed of a machine... especially a gentoo box. : ) Anyway,
> >> updates to follow...
> >>
> >> Also, john, I am very interested in the serial port mod as well... I
> >> have everything, pre assembled with a 4 ping female end... just need to
> >> solder pins or wires into the holes on the board... still though, I am
> >> afraid of breaking it. If you think you could pull off the serial
> mod... : )
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> "All unix, all the time."
> >>
> >> http://npt.ath.cx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 7/11/06, nick thompson <nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>   I don't know if anyone else out there is playing with an nslu2, if
> you
> >>>> haven't heard about them they are a $80 linksys box w/ 2 usb2 ports
> and
> >>>> you plug in usb drives and suddenly have cheap NAS.... but of course,
> it
> >>>> runs linux, and can run modified firmware and run full blown debian,
> >>>> gentoo, and others. Anyway, since the dang thing is underclocked from
> >>>> 266 mhz to 133 mhz on purpose (? heat maybe) one surface mount
> resistor
> >>>> needs to be removed. I don't want to break the thing. I mean, I can
> >>>> solder but surface mount scares me. Anyone in town done the mod and
> >>>> could I pay you to do it / buy you a beer?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nick
> >>>>
> >>>> "All unix, all the time."
> >>>>
> >>>> http://npt.ath.cx
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >
>
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From sac at cheesecake.org  Fri Jul 14 11:41:12 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:41:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 alternative
In-Reply-To: <071420061446.22826.44B7AE4B00091CA40000592A22070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <071420061446.22826.44B7AE4B00091CA40000592A22070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20060714164112.GA31393@cheesecake.org>

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 at 14.46.35 +0000, auditodd at comcast.net wrote:
> > On 7/14/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > My advice though, forget software RAID. Too unstable.
> > > I had 3 80Gig drives set up with software RAID5 and we lost
> > > power Monday night (yeah I know, I should have had it on a
> > > UPS). RAID go bye-bye! :-) A quick Google of the situation
> 
> A couple sites that I found via Google mentioned that software RAID was
> still buggy and unreliable (yeah, yeah I know, don't believe everything
> your read in forums). I also found the data transfer speed onto the 
> software RAID to be a bit slow, about half as fast as an FTP or copy 
> onto a regular Samba shared folder/drive. I copied a 4Gig DVD ISO 

Maybe that's because RAID 5 costs 50% in write performance regardless
of how it's implemented?

I've used Linux's software RAID for a while and have had several failures
and everything went fine for the most part.  One time a SCSI bus got
freaked out, but that wasn't the end of the world.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From robbyt at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 12:09:19 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:09:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NSLU2 alternative
In-Reply-To: <071420061446.22826.44B7AE4B00091CA40000592A22070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <071420061446.22826.44B7AE4B00091CA40000592A22070215530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1f663090607141009m2aedab46gb5dd6393c5d841ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/14/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com>
> > On 7/14/06, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > I just started to play with FreeNAS.
> > > If you have an old PC laying around, it works fairly well.
> > >
> > > My advice though, forget software RAID. Too unstable.
> > > I had 3 80Gig drives set up with software RAID5 and we lost
> > > power Monday night (yeah I know, I should have had it on a
> > > UPS). RAID go bye-bye! :-) A quick Google of the situation
> > > showed that it just wasn't worth my time to try and recover
> > > the RAID or data since the data was backed up elsewhere.
> >
> > Why/How did the RAID fail? was it mid-write or something? Shouldn't
> > that come out fine, as if they had been three separate drives in the
> > first place? I've never done a lot of reading up on it, but I was
> > under the impressions software RAID worked just fine.
>
> I'm not sure "how" it failed. I noticed it was down and powered it back
> up,
> then my stepson mentioned that the power had gone out the night before.
> After it came up, I logged in and the RAID was "offline" so I tried to
> restart
> it and it said it was already starting up. So I let it sit overnight and
> the
> next day it was started, but the mount point was hosed. I can't
> remember exactly what I found via Google, but I thought the heck with it.
>
> A couple sites that I found via Google mentioned that software RAID was
> still buggy and unreliable (yeah, yeah I know, don't believe everything
> your read in forums). I also found the data transfer speed onto the
> software RAID to be a bit slow, about half as fast as an FTP or copy
> onto a regular Samba shared folder/drive. I copied a 4Gig DVD ISO
> image to and from the software RAID and it took at least twice as
> long to finish compared to the Samba share I had on my Linux server,
> which was the same make/model of 80Gig drive, but not in a software
> RAID.
>

I personally run a number of MD soft raid arrays and have found them to be
mostly stable. Biggest one is a 1tb raid5 array spread across 6 250g sata
drives, one is a 600g array spread across 3 320g drives.

The only problem i've ever had with linux md raid is when the array fills
up! I've actually gotten some kernel segfaults in that situation. The array
has always been fine though- just had to do a rebuild.
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Jul 14 16:16:03 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:16:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Vote Result: Lift the Yahoo! Ban Passes
Message-ID: <20060714211603.28FFB6F7A@skuld.wookimus.net>

Sorry the follow-up on this is so late.  I had to work in Itasca early
in the week and take care of my sick family in the middle of the week,
only to have lots to catch up on at the end of the week.

The vote was closed as of 23:59:59 on 7 July, 2006.  For 367 members,
the quorum of 10% for this vote was 37 votes.  It was easily met on 28
June by 10:39:44, the time of the last update email.

If you do not see your name in this list, it is either because you did
not: 1) use the ballot sent to the list, 2) alternatively didn't
explicitly state "yes" (lift the ban), "no" (leave the ban), "none",
"abstain", or 3) you simply haven't sent in a vote.

Number of votes cast: 47

Option A: Lift the Yahoo! ban [34]
	1. John T. Hoffoss
	2. Chad Walstrom
	3. Nick Thompson
	4. Chuck Cole
	5. Dan Armbrust
	6. Jonathon Jongsma
	7. Justin Kremer
	8. Mike Miller
	9. Joseph Key
	10. blawrence at qwest.net
	11. Rick Tanner
	12. Jim Crumley
	13. Jeffrey Lehman
	14. David Carlson
	15. Peter Chase
	16. James Kaufman
	17. Mark Browne
	18. Larry Greenwald
	19. Leif Johnson
	20. Jordan Peacock
	21. Steve Cayford
	22. Tom Marble
	23. Eric Peterson
	24. Jon Schewe
	25. dalan at visi.com
	26. steve ulrich
	27. Joey Rockhold
	28. J Cruit
	29. Dave Roe
	30. j_wrocky at comcast.net
	31. Andy Schmid
	32. John J. Trammel
	33. Larry R. Pint
	34. Andrew Zbikowski

Option B: Do not lift the Yahoo! ban [9]
	1. Spencer Butler
	2. Munir Nassar (Ein)
	3. Nate Straz
	4. Jonathan Kline
	5. David Alanis
	6. Robert Sinland
	7. gerry <gsker at comcast.net>
	8. Harry Penner
	9. Paul Cutler

Option C: None of the above [4]
	1. Isaac Atilano
	2. slushpupie at gmail.com
	3. Dany Berg
	4. Andy Moore

Option A wins: Lift the Yahoo! Ban

Attached is the gzipped MBOX file containing all of the votes.  I have
not checked the email addresses for these votes against the membership
list.  Should you feel this is necessary, then I will request a copy
of the list from Bob and do the comparison.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */

#application/octet-stream [yahoovote.mbox.gz] yahoovote.mbox.gz
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Jul 14 16:28:45 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:28:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Vote Result: Lift the Yahoo! Ban Passes
In-Reply-To: <20060714211603.28FFB6F7A@skuld.wookimus.net> 
References: <20060714211603.28FFB6F7A@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20060714212845.CD98B6F7A@skuld.wookimus.net>

OK.  Here's the real attachment.  Sorry about that.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
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From bhartm at visi.com  Fri Jul 14 21:09:30 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:09:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] video hindered on the web much?
Message-ID: <44B84E5A.5050402@visi.com>


Not a question, more a point of conversation--
Of course there are sites that are simply so ignorant as to offer .wm* 
as the only way..  we know what to do with that, right?  Use Windows or 
don't bother.   Or write an exceedingly polite nasty-gram.
Now, YouTube and Google Video have come ahead as options for the Linux 
using minority.   For we who can reliably use Flash, that is. 
RealPlayer is coming around in one way I'd like to point out:
I didn't do anything to my Real installation, but suddenly I can stream 
c-span radio.  This is a big deal for me.  AND, being a Firefox user, I 
was super-surprised to find that I can watch C-SPAN archive videos by 
just, duh, try Konqueror.  Not bad. 
C&L videos in .mov format will go fine IF I shut down Firefox and open 
them with VLC after download. 
Any other success stories?  Failures?  Frustrations? 

BobH   =B-|)


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 14 15:34:42 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:34:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH
 controller 2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607140926530.13948@beer.tclug.org>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0607140926530.13948@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <44B7FFE2.2050403@mchsi.com>

Jima wrote:
>  I've got 2.6.17 (+ vendor patches) running on a Proliant 5000, 4x200mhz 
> PPro, 640mb RAM, 5x9gb in hardware RAID (via 2/P controller, it seems).
>  Aside from some extra kernel arguments to recognise all of the memory, 
> it pretty much worked right away.  Let me know if you want/need details.
> 
>      Jima

Jima,
  You got to it first!!! ;p Just kidding... ;p Anyway, yeah if you could 
send me the kernel arguments, I would really appreciate it. I've been using



boot: gentoo dosci dokeymap memmap=exactmap memmap=640K at 0m memmap=319M at 1m

reaches the point of:

enter mode # or scan: 0
ucompressing linux...OK, booting the kernel.
ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
..MP BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
PCI: failed to allocate mem resource #6:1000000 at 42000000 For   0000:01:06.0
 >> loading modules

---------------------
at this points, it sits as loading modules for a long time, the cursor 
spins, and I can see it accessing the cd drive but I have left it 
overnight and no difference.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

I heard I should add nocpus=2 and I wonder if that will make the MP Bios 
thing go away.

I also heard I should add i8042.nomux, but that didn't work. I tried 
i8254.nomus just for kicks, that didn't work either.

Anyway, anything you can send me as far as kernel boot options ,etc 
would be much appeciated. I really want to get this machine working. I 
would really, really like to make sure the U1 storage array works 
through the 2/DH controller, so the total # of drives would be 12 (5+7) 
@ 4.3 gb each.

Hope to hear from you soon, thanks a lot Jima, I can't wait to see your 
boot options. I am excited.

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Sat Jul 15 09:22:14 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:22:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH
 controller 2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <44B7FFE2.2050403@mchsi.com>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0607140926530.13948@beer.tclug.org>
	<44B7FFE2.2050403@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607150911190.13948@beer.tclug.org>

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:
> You got to it first!!! ;p Just kidding... ;p Anyway, yeah if you could send 
> me the kernel arguments, I would really appreciate it.

  Ultimately, the people who had it before me got to it first, at least for 
the 2.4 series.  (Feel free to shame yourselves if you'd like -- I'm not 
outing you.)  I had to make some minor adaptations for 2.6.
  From my understanding, you no longer need memmap=exactmap with 2.6.  This 
system used (IIRC) 640K at 0M, 15M at 1M, and 624M at 16M with 2.4.  With 2.6, I'm 
successfully booting with only memmap=624M at 16M.  I suspect, then, that 
memmap=304M at 16M *might* work for you.  Not sure about dosci/dokeymap; I 
didn't need those with my stock Fedora kernels.

      Jima


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul 15 17:44:25 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] video hindered on the web much?
In-Reply-To: <44B84E5A.5050402@visi.com>
References: <44B84E5A.5050402@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607151740590.5793@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Bob Hartmann wrote:

> Not a question, more a point of conversation-- Of course there are sites 
> that are simply so ignorant as to offer .wm* as the only way..  we know 
> what to do with that, right?  Use Windows or don't bother.


I haven't used it myself, but I've been told that MPlayer can play just 
about any video format (and bypass most DRM features).  I guess it uses 
some codecs to deal with WMV and other tricky formats:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/info.html

Also, from Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMV

    WMV files are played by players such as MPlayer or Windows Media
    Player, the latter being only available for Microsoft Windows and
    Macintosh systems. Many third-party players exist for various platforms
    such as Linux that use the FFmpeg implementation of the WMV codecs.

Mike


From j_wrocky at comcast.net  Sat Jul 15 18:08:58 2006
From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:08:58 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Wanted Linux Tutor
Message-ID: <071520062308.5978.44B9758A000450530000175A220700164197050C019D99A106@comcast.net>

esamuel,

Found a free email Linux Tutorial if you interested:
http://linux.about.com/c/ec/1.htm

Fourteen free weekly lessons for user of a modern PC running the Linux operating system. Screen shots are included in each lesson.

HTH,

Jerry W


From sraun at fireopal.org  Sun Jul 16 10:13:50 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:13:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
Message-ID: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>

I'm investigating PDA's again.  I'm not certain when I want to buy
this - I'm hoping for 'by the end of summer'.

What I want:
* 802.11 capable
* color 640x480 screen
* SSH client (pre-installed or add-on)

What I'd like:
* Linux OS
* built-in snap-shot quality camera
* cell-phone

What I DON'T want:
* any Windows OS

The Nokia 770 (at about $300) is a reasonable example of what I'm
looking for.  The Sharp Zaurus CL-3200 (at about $900) is a
significantly more expensive version - lots more storage, but that's
not necessarily a plus.  From what I can tell, neither has built-in
camera or cell-phone capability.  A PalmTX (about $300) is a
not-so-good example.

Anyone have any other recommendations?  Or comments on one of my
listed options?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 16 11:36:51 2006
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:36:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] compaq proliant 2500 w/ U1 storage array & 2/DH
 controller 2.6 kernel
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607150911190.13948@beer.tclug.org>
References: <44B473A0.4070108@mchsi.com>
	<65293fcc0607120813p1816fc21id1f457ccc4c86eea@mail.gmail.com>
	<44B52EE8.8000707@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607131549120.6987@atlas.snt.org>
	<44B70F47.8070107@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0607140926530.13948@beer.tclug.org>
	<44B7FFE2.2050403@mchsi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0607150911190.13948@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <44BA6B23.4040705@mchsi.com>

Jima wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, nick thompson wrote:
>> You got to it first!!! ;p Just kidding... ;p Anyway, yeah if you could 
>> send me the kernel arguments, I would really appreciate it.
> 
>  Ultimately, the people who had it before me got to it first, at least 
> for the 2.4 series.  (Feel free to shame yourselves if you'd like -- I'm 
> not outing you.)  I had to make some minor adaptations for 2.6.
>  From my understanding, you no longer need memmap=exactmap with 2.6.  
> This system used (IIRC) 640K at 0M, 15M at 1M, and 624M at 16M with 2.4.  With 
> 2.6, I'm successfully booting with only memmap=624M at 16M.  I suspect, 
> then, that memmap=304M at 16M *might* work for you.  Not sure about 
> dosci/dokeymap; I didn't need those with my stock Fedora kernels.
> 
>      Jima
> 
Hmm.

gentoo memmap=304M at 16M starts booting the kernel, but I still get:

enter mode # or scan: 0
Ucompressing linux.. Ok, booting the kernel.
ACPI: unable to locate RSDP
..mp bios bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-ABIC
PCI:failed to allocate resource 1000000 at 42000000 for 0000:01:06.0
 >>loading modules


here it seems to freeze, though for a while at the beginning I can see 
the cdrom drive accessing the cd, same as before. anyway, I'll report 
back more successes/failures... :)

nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx


From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com  Mon Jul 17 03:43:58 2006
From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:43:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommend local shop for data recovery?
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060717034208.05332270@pop.mm.com>

I have a client who lost data on a corrupted FAT32 drive.

Can anyone recommend a good shop in the twin cities to recover the lost files?



From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Jul 17 04:11:17 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:11:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommend local shop for data recovery?
In-Reply-To: <14706996.1153126177224.JavaMail.root@sniper46>
References: <14706996.1153126177224.JavaMail.root@sniper46>
Message-ID: <200607170411.18438.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Monday 17 July 2006 03:43 am, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote:
> I have a client who lost data on a corrupted FAT32 drive.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good shop in the twin cities to recover the lost
> files?
>

http://www.ontrack.com/
HQ'ed in Minnesota.


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 07:40:32 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:40:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommend local shop for data recovery?
In-Reply-To: <200607170411.18438.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <14706996.1153126177224.JavaMail.root@sniper46>
	<200607170411.18438.jus@krytosvirus.com>
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The Geek Squad at 50th and France in Edina has some guys that can recover
data and it might be cheaper. I worked with those guys for a long time.
612.922.9288 They also work with Ontrack if hardware needs replaced. Quote
both and see who is cheaper.

Jason

On 7/17/06, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday 17 July 2006 03:43 am, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote:
> > I have a client who lost data on a corrupted FAT32 drive.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good shop in the twin cities to recover the lost
> > files?
> >
>
> http://www.ontrack.com/
> HQ'ed in Minnesota.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From slushpupie at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 08:27:53 2006
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:27:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <ace41e70607170627m4d1970dbs25091bafa8bdc52e@mail.gmail.com>

There is a bunch of info out there on getting the Treo 650 to boot
Linux.   The screen is a bit smaller than you like (320x320), but it
otherwise can satisfy your other wants/needs (you have to get an
802.11 SDIO card for wifi).   Not perfect, but might be worth looking
into.

-- 
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/


From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 09:01:58 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:01:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommend local shop for data recovery?
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0607170540v1c97588fqc2380188930d2393@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14706996.1153126177224.JavaMail.root@sniper46>
	<200607170411.18438.jus@krytosvirus.com>
	<6eb23c4e0607170540v1c97588fqc2380188930d2393@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80607170701t53bbd51vd3fa9c3a6f1f7f3c@mail.gmail.com>

If you bring it to OnTrack sign up as a partner and you can get 10% off....

Brock


On 7/17/06, jason reynolds <jeruvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Geek Squad at 50th and France in Edina has some guys that can recover
> data and it might be cheaper. I worked with those guys for a long time.
> 612.922.9288 They also work with Ontrack if hardware needs replaced. Quote
> both and see who is cheaper.
>
>
> Jason
>
>
> On 7/17/06, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Monday 17 July 2006 03:43 am, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote:
> > > I have a client who lost data on a corrupted FAT32 drive.
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good shop in the twin cities to recover the
> > lost
> > > files?
> > >
> >
> > http://www.ontrack.com/
> > HQ'ed in Minnesota.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sraun at fireopal.org  Mon Jul 17 09:06:50 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:06:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <ace41e70607170627m4d1970dbs25091bafa8bdc52e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<ace41e70607170627m4d1970dbs25091bafa8bdc52e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060717140650.GA9350@fireopal.org>

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 08:27:53AM -0500,   wrote:
> There is a bunch of info out there on getting the Treo 650 to boot
> Linux.   The screen is a bit smaller than you like (320x320), but it
> otherwise can satisfy your other wants/needs (you have to get an
> 802.11 SDIO card for wifi).   Not perfect, but might be worth looking
> into.

Hmmm - interesting option.  I'd gain the phone & camera options, loose
some screen real estate, and probably end up spending about the same
amount of money.  I'll do some checking on that.

Thanks!

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From j at packetgod.com  Mon Jul 17 09:56:44 2006
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:56:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>

I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon  nice screen, ssh available 
for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't 
actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is 
pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using it.

It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.

--j

Scott Raun wrote:
> I'm investigating PDA's again.  I'm not certain when I want to buy
> this - I'm hoping for 'by the end of summer'.
>
> What I want:
> * 802.11 capable
> * color 640x480 screen
> * SSH client (pre-installed or add-on)
>
> What I'd like:
> * Linux OS
> * built-in snap-shot quality camera
> * cell-phone
>
> What I DON'T want:
> * any Windows OS
>
> The Nokia 770 (at about $300) is a reasonable example of what I'm
> looking for.  The Sharp Zaurus CL-3200 (at about $900) is a
> significantly more expensive version - lots more storage, but that's
> not necessarily a plus.  From what I can tell, neither has built-in
> camera or cell-phone capability.  A PalmTX (about $300) is a
> not-so-good example.
>
> Anyone have any other recommendations?  Or comments on one of my
> listed options?
>
>   




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 17 10:14:03 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:14:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, J Cruit wrote:

> I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon nice screen, ssh available 
> for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't 
> actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is 
> pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using 
> it.

It's too bad they don't add 802.11 to the Treo.  Maybe next time.  The 
EVDO sounds nice, but Sprint's EVDO coverage is pretty sparse - limited to 
big metro areas.  I don't know about Verizon's coverage.  Another thing I 
don't like about the Sprint offer -- they make you pay a lot extra to be 
able to use the Treo EVDO with a laptop.

The screen on the 700p is also 320x320, like the 650 (but the 600 was only 
160x160).

Overall, I recommend these devices as cell phones.  They are killer cell 
phones.  But, they aren't very good PDAs.  The integration of PDA with 
cell phone is fantastic though.  For me, the integration aspect definitely 
outweighs the mediocrity of the Treo as PDA.  I only want to carry one 
device, and I absolutely love making calls directly from the contacts 
list, or from Vindigo or from a web page.  If you lose your phone, all of 
your phone numbers and other data are backed up on your computer, so you 
aren't totally SOL.  Cell phones that don't sync to a PC are a disaster 
waiting to happen.


> It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.

I have a Treo 600 and I run PalmVNC on it and use that to connect to a 
Linux box.  It works.

Mike


From sraun at fireopal.org  Mon Jul 17 11:01:11 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:01:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <20060717160111.GA10867@fireopal.org>

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 09:56:44AM -0500, J Cruit wrote:
> I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon  nice screen, ssh available 
> for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't 
> actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is 
> pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using it.
> 
> It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.

For my purposes, EVDO is next to worthless - I've got the resources
for a basic cell plan, but not to add a data plan.  This is subject to
change, but probably not for a couple of years.

I see that the 700P has one card slot, and my quick googling turns up
that there's no support for SDIO 802.11 yet.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 10:51:05 2006
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:51:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570607170851n39295aafo2e0d1c9430a6642b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, J Cruit <j at packetgod.com> wrote:
> I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon  nice screen, ssh available
> for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't
> actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is
> pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using it.
>
> It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.
>
> --j


Note that the next generation of Palm OS *will* be a linux OS (built
on linux, gtk+, etc).  Though that obviously doesn't help those
looking for a PDA right now.

jonathon


From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 17 12:34:47 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:34:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMEPECEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller
>
>
> Overall, I recommend these devices as cell phones.  They are
> killer cell
> phones.  But, they aren't very good PDAs.  The integration of
> PDA with
> cell phone is fantastic though.  For me, the integration
> aspect definitely
> outweighs the mediocrity of the Treo as PDA.  I only want to
> carry one
> device, and I absolutely love making calls directly from the contacts
> list, or from Vindigo or from a web page.  If you lose your
> phone, all of
> your phone numbers and other data are backed up on your
> computer, so you
> aren't totally SOL.  Cell phones that don't sync to a PC are
> a disaster
> waiting to happen.

I like the Samsung I-330.  Has color and touch screen instead of "button
pad" and does more lots better than a Palm IIIxe plus separate cell
phone.  The I-330s can be had cheap off ebay and are good Palm OS
phone/PDAs, but too old to have plug-ins.  I use Docs-to-Go to load a
bunch of reference text files that usually exceed the 4K Palm limit.
D2G makes them searchable, but it's slow.  What's mediocre about the
Treo's PDA features or are you just saying that you want more
functionality than PDAs have been offering?

>
>
> > It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.
>
> I have a Treo 600 and I run PalmVNC on it and use that to
> connect to a
> Linux box.  It works.

FYI, Smartphone Palm OS SDK is available with source for the Kyocera
6035 and maybe their later 3G color model.  I think the phone add-ons
and other stuff may be minor differences.



Chuck



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 17 12:58:41 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:58:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMEPECEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMEPECEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171247290.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Chuck Cole wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller
>>
>> Overall, I recommend these devices as cell phones.  They are killer 
>> cell phones.  But, they aren't very good PDAs.  The integration of PDA 
>> with cell phone is fantastic though.  For me, the integration aspect 
>> definitely outweighs the mediocrity of the Treo as PDA.  I only want to 
>> carry one device, and I absolutely love making calls directly from the 
>> contacts list, or from Vindigo or from a web page.  If you lose your 
>> phone, all of your phone numbers and other data are backed up on your 
>> computer, so you aren't totally SOL.  Cell phones that don't sync to a 
>> PC are a disaster waiting to happen.
>
> I like the Samsung I-330.  Has color and touch screen instead of "button 
> pad" and does more lots better than a Palm IIIxe plus separate cell 
> phone.  The I-330s can be had cheap off ebay and are good Palm OS 
> phone/PDAs, but too old to have plug-ins.  I use Docs-to-Go to load a 
> bunch of reference text files that usually exceed the 4K Palm limit. D2G 
> makes them searchable, but it's slow.  What's mediocre about the Treo's 
> PDA features or are you just saying that you want more functionality 
> than PDAs have been offering?

My understanding of the Treo is that it is mediocre as a PDA because of 
small screen (320 x 320), processor speed and memory.  The camera is not 
nearly as good as those on many other devices.  It has no WiFi or GPS. 
So, along with many reviewers, I'm calling it a great cell phone and a 
mediocre PDA.  I'm sure the 700P is catching up a bit, but it's still 
pretty far behind the best PDAs.

Mike


From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 17 13:24:57 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:24:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171247290.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEJAHLAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Miller [mailto:mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:59 PM
> >
>
> My understanding of the Treo is that it is mediocre as a PDA
> because of
> small screen (320 x 320), processor speed and memory.

The modest screens are OK for me as a "quick look" PDA function.
Smaller screens usually are easier on batteries.

> The camera is not nearly as good as those on many other devices.  It
has no
> WiFi or GPS.   So, along with many reviewers, I'm calling it a great
cell
> phone and a mediocre PDA.

Hadn't occurred to me to say that a camera and GPS are essential parts
of "a PDA".  Guess I'm behind the trends  :-)
Nice options, perhaps, but I'd rather not have the extra battery drain
and weight until I need them.  I can go for 4-5 days without recharge on
a factory option rechargeable battery on my I-330..  do any of these
"full-featured" things have similar battery life?

Chuck




From robbyt at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 13:44:09 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:44:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1f663090607171144w792703d5pa0c2087ea696c852@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, J Cruit wrote:
>
> > I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon nice screen, ssh available
> > for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't
> > actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is
> > pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using
> > it.
>
> It's too bad they don't add 802.11 to the Treo.



Don't hold your breath on that! The cellphone companies are smart- They know
if they include 802.11x to the phones that people will use voip. Thus
subtracting from the amount of airtime minutes!
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 17 14:02:14 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:02:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEJAHLAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEJAHLAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171357230.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Chuck Cole wrote:

>> The camera is not nearly as good as those on many other devices.  It 
>> has no WiFi or GPS.  So, along with many reviewers, I'm calling it a 
>> great cell phone and a mediocre PDA.
>
> Hadn't occurred to me to say that a camera and GPS are essential parts
> of "a PDA".  Guess I'm behind the trends  :-)

It hadn't occured to me either, and that's why I didn't say it, but they 
add value to the device.


> Nice options, perhaps, but I'd rather not have the extra battery drain 
> and weight until I need them.  I can go for 4-5 days without recharge on 
> a factory option rechargeable battery on my I-330..  do any of these 
> "full-featured" things have similar battery life?

I don't know.  It's hard to believe that a camera drains the battery when 
it isn't being used.  It also seems unlikely to me that the GPS is 
draining the battery when it isn't being used but I don't know.

With the Treo 600 (the one I own), I can go 4-5 days without recharging 
when the phone is on but not used.  I can go much longer than that when 
the phone is turned off.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 17 14:03:59 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:03:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <1f663090607171144w792703d5pa0c2087ea696c852@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1f663090607171144w792703d5pa0c2087ea696c852@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171402500.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Rob Terhaar wrote:

> On 7/17/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> It's too bad they don't add 802.11 to the Treo.
>
> Don't hold your breath on that! The cellphone companies are smart- They 
> know if they include 802.11x to the phones that people will use voip. 
> Thus subtracting from the amount of airtime minutes!


That might be it, or maybe the PalmOne people just haven't gotten around 
to it yet.  I'm sure you can use VoIP over EvDo, but is it really worth 
it?

Mike


From rwh at visi.com  Mon Jul 17 14:42:36 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (rwh)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:42:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171402500.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<1f663090607171144w792703d5pa0c2087ea696c852@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171402500.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <44BBE82C.3020104@visi.com>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Rob Terhaar wrote:
> 
>> On 7/17/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>>> It's too bad they don't add 802.11 to the Treo.
>> Don't hold your breath on that! The cellphone companies are smart- They 
>> know if they include 802.11x to the phones that people will use voip. 
>> Thus subtracting from the amount of airtime minutes!
> 
> 
> That might be it, or maybe the PalmOne people just haven't gotten around 
> to it yet.  I'm sure you can use VoIP over EvDo, but is it really worth 
> it?
> 

The economics of cell phones are such that you can't sell a phone if you
can't find a carrier to support it. If the carriers don't want 802.11x,
Palm won't put it into their product line. Just look at the extent to
which Verizon cripples their phone to prevent you from loading up your
own ring tones or transferring pictures by means other than their upload
service.

I really can't see them getting too upset about using voip over EVDO but
I can see them wanting to force you into a data contract rather than
using 802.11. Just look at some of the threads on folks trying to use
their Blue Tooth phones as modems for MacBooks - Verizon wants an extra
$15/month, in addition to the data service, to use the phone as a dial
up modem. Sheesh!

I seem to recall that there was a hack available for the Treo 650, or
perhaps the 600, that would let you use an SDIO 802.11x card. At the
time I think that Palms concern was the potential for interference
between the cell radio and the network card. I'm afraid I don't recall
how well the hacked version worked.

--rick


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 17 15:47:44 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:47:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <44BBE82C.3020104@visi.com>
References: <20060716151350.GA30009@fireopal.org>
	<44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171004390.18317@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1f663090607171144w792703d5pa0c2087ea696c852@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171402500.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44BBE82C.3020104@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607171542230.29171@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, rwh wrote:

> The economics of cell phones are such that you can't sell a phone if you 
> can't find a carrier to support it. If the carriers don't want 802.11x, 
> Palm won't put it into their product line. Just look at the extent to 
> which Verizon cripples their phone to prevent you from loading up your 
> own ring tones or transferring pictures by means other than their upload 
> service.
>
> I really can't see them getting too upset about using voip over EVDO but 
> I can see them wanting to force you into a data contract rather than 
> using 802.11. Just look at some of the threads on folks trying to use 
> their Blue Tooth phones as modems for MacBooks - Verizon wants an extra 
> $15/month, in addition to the data service, to use the phone as a dial 
> up modem. Sheesh!

Sprint is doing the same thing with extra fees for laptop connectivity.

Is there any problem in computing today that isn't being caused by 
corporate interests?  With the hardware engineering we have and the 
programmers willing to write for us, we should have much more amazing 
stuff right now.  Unfortunately, if it isn't of sufficient benefit to the 
major superpowers of high-tech, it's going to be slowed way down.  Look at 
what Microsoft has accomplished with their $500-billion-plus corporation 
and compare that with Linux/FOSS and their $0 approach -- that observation 
alone proves to me that Microsoft is crushing advances in computing, not 
creating them.

Mike


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 17 18:35:17 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:35:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607172335.k6HNZHS05492@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: k6-3 450 system

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ide cdr 32x iirc?

make offers...parts can be added or subtracted

other pics:
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http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul 17 19:02:30 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:02:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might lose
	ARP entries
Message-ID: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>

I'll start with the obvious:

- the entry has timed out




From robbyt at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 19:10:38 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:10:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090607171710y61472ee6ue75c33d12cc91e83@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
>
> I'll start with the obvious:
>
> - the entry has timed out



- it's running windows 95, and someone just oob'd your port 137
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From scotjenkins at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 19:16:21 2006
From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:16:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <a22a1f920607171716r65b31f38l8ad63fc67036f516@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
> I'll start with the obvious:
>
> - the entry has timed out


some one or something (script) deleted it?

arp -d <hostname>

Could be a device upstream not caching the information long enough?
(eg, a switch or router)


From sfertch at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 21:05:55 2006
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:05:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommend local shop for data recovery?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060717034208.05332270@pop.mm.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060717034208.05332270@pop.mm.com>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0607171905w67bfb8afgcacc9a9a5ff96a21@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com <Dean.Benjamin at mm.com> wrote:
>
> I have a client who lost data on a corrupted FAT32 drive.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good shop in the twin cities to recover the lost
> files?
>


Have you tried to boot the system up with Knoppix or other live distro CD to
see if you can read the data?


-- 
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
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From nassarmu at beitsahour.net  Mon Jul 17 22:19:28 2006
From: nassarmu at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:19:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
 lose ARP entries
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>

Jay Austad writes:

> I'll start with the obvious:
> 
> - the entry has timed out

The entry wandered too long by itself in the deep dark depths of the 
ethernet and was eaten by a grue. Next time install arptables. You scored 
15, you have a new high score! Do you wish to play again?

--
Munir Nassar


From strayf at freeshell.org  Mon Jul 17 22:42:19 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:42:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <20060718034219.GA5137@isaiah>

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0500, Jay Austad wrote:
> I'll start with the obvious:
> 
> - the entry has timed out

... because someone changed the arp cache timeout setting?



From ryan.langseth at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 22:41:45 2006
From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:41:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
	<cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>
Message-ID: <b6371f9f0607172041g4e9f4972h30fd8c21f197bc96@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/06, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at beitsahour.net> wrote:
>
> Jay Austad writes:
>
> > I'll start with the obvious:
> >
> > - the entry has timed out
>
> The entry wandered too long by itself in the deep dark depths of the
> ethernet and was eaten by a grue. Next time install arptables. You scored
> 15, you have a new high score! Do you wish to play again?


It hates you (much like my cisco 7200 hates me)
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 22:47:35 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:47:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
	<cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607172047ofdabff0w15faa49c99fcf9e@mail.gmail.com>

OMG that is hilarious. I really needed the good laugh. Thanks!!!

Jason

On 7/17/06, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at beitsahour.net> wrote:
>
> Jay Austad writes:
>
> > I'll start with the obvious:
> >
> > - the entry has timed out
>
> The entry wandered too long by itself in the deep dark depths of the
> ethernet and was eaten by a grue. Next time install arptables. You scored
> 15, you have a new high score! Do you wish to play again?
>
> --
> Munir Nassar
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From austad at signal15.com  Tue Jul 18 01:41:31 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:41:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] challenge #1: List all reasons why a host might
	lose ARP entries
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0607172047ofdabff0w15faa49c99fcf9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E99859A-39D1-4875-96DA-464373105DCA@signal15.com>
	<cone.1153192768.996105.23323.1001@home>
	<6eb23c4e0607172047ofdabff0w15faa49c99fcf9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDD582BB-A75D-48F1-9717-A45BEB92DF9B@signal15.com>

Could it get deleted if the box keeps repeatedly learning a different  
mac for a particular IP, like in the case of a spanning tree loop?


On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:47 PM, jason reynolds wrote:

> OMG that is hilarious. I really needed the good laugh. Thanks!!!
>
> Jason
>
> On 7/17/06, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at beitsahour.net > wrote:
> Jay Austad writes:
>
> > I'll start with the obvious:
> >
> > - the entry has timed out
>
> The entry wandered too long by itself in the deep dark depths of the
> ethernet and was eaten by a grue. Next time install arptables. You  
> scored
> 15, you have a new high score! Do you wish to play again?
>
> --
> Munir Nassar
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From nate at ima.umn.edu  Tue Jul 18 10:38:49 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:38:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] charpick_applet
Message-ID: <44BD0089.6000006@ima.umn.edu>

Anyone aware of a KDE alternative to Gnomes charpick_applet? Using the
character map is more time consuming then charpick_applet, which sits on
your dock.

-- 
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           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
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From csmith at technicallc.com  Mon Jul 17 10:13:50 2006
From: csmith at technicallc.com (Chris Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:13:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <44BBA52C.2070700@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c6a9b3$9c9d4330$a503a8c0@workhorse>

I have the Treo650, and totally agree with everything below. I love it.. and
the SSH client works pretty well.. though you better have good eyes! 

Chris Smith
Manager Information Systems
Technica, LLC
 
www.technicallc.com
 
843-513-8788

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of J Cruit
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 9:57 AM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] ISO Hardware Recommendation

I'd get the Treo700P from Sprint or Verizon  nice screen, ssh available 
for palm OS, nice camera, cell phone and not windows OS.  Now I don't 
actually think it has Wifi but it does at least have the EVDO which is 
pretty darn fast, I get 700K down and 300k up in bandwidth tests using it.

It however is not a linux os but it plays very well with them.

--j

Scott Raun wrote:
> I'm investigating PDA's again.  I'm not certain when I want to buy
> this - I'm hoping for 'by the end of summer'.
>
> What I want:
> * 802.11 capable
> * color 640x480 screen
> * SSH client (pre-installed or add-on)
>
> What I'd like:
> * Linux OS
> * built-in snap-shot quality camera
> * cell-phone
>
> What I DON'T want:
> * any Windows OS
>
> The Nokia 770 (at about $300) is a reasonable example of what I'm
> looking for.  The Sharp Zaurus CL-3200 (at about $900) is a
> significantly more expensive version - lots more storage, but that's
> not necessarily a plus.  From what I can tell, neither has built-in
> camera or cell-phone capability.  A PalmTX (about $300) is a
> not-so-good example.
>
> Anyone have any other recommendations?  Or comments on one of my
> listed options?
>
>   



_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jul 18 14:24:44 2006
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:24:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Vote Result: Lift the Yahoo! Ban Passes
References: <20060714211603.28FFB6F7A@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <e9jchs$ufo$1@sea.gmane.org>

Chad Walstrom wrote:

> Option A wins: Lift the Yahoo! Ban
> 

BL of yahoo and all yahoo sub-domains has been removed.

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288



From jeruvin at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 14:52:32 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:52:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux email server in front of Exchange
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious if anyone has any experience with a Linux mail server in
addition to Exchange on a network. I'm thinking if it's possible to have 40
email accounts setup on a Linux mail server and have 10 of these emails
forwarded to an exchange server on the network and the rest available to a
pop client connecting to the Linux mail server.

Jason
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From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Tue Jul 18 15:04:28 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:04:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux email server in front of Exchange
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200607181504.28251.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Tuesday 18 July 2006 14:52, "jason reynolds" <jeruvin at gmail.com> sent a 
missive stating: 
> I'm curious if anyone has any experience with a Linux mail server in
> addition to Exchange on a network. I'm thinking if it's possible to have 40
> email accounts setup on a Linux mail server and have 10 of these emails
> forwarded to an exchange server on the network and the rest available to a
> pop client connecting to the Linux mail server.

Under a single domain?

Easiest would be to create and user at exchange.domain.com for email in your 
internal network on the exchange server and then just alias mail for users 
destined to user at domain.com to the exchange mailbox. You can even scrub the 
email before it hits your exchange server, etc...

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From rharding at mitechie.com  Tue Jul 18 15:38:35 2006
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:38:35 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux email server in front of Exchange
In-Reply-To: <200607181504.28251.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200607181504.28251.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <44BD46CB.9030907@mitechie.com>

Henrik Hudson wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 July 2006 14:52, "jason reynolds" <jeruvin at gmail.com> sent a 
> missive stating: 
>> I'm curious if anyone has any experience with a Linux mail server in
>> addition to Exchange on a network. I'm thinking if it's possible to have 40
>> email accounts setup on a Linux mail server and have 10 of these emails
>> forwarded to an exchange server on the network and the rest available to a
>> pop client connecting to the Linux mail server.
> 
> Under a single domain?
> 
> Easiest would be to create and user at exchange.domain.com for email in your 
> internal network on the exchange server and then just alias mail for users 
> destined to user at domain.com to the exchange mailbox. You can even scrub the 
> email before it hits your exchange server, etc...
> 
> Henrik

That is what I do. We run Linux based mail accounts for 70 students and 
the 8 staff run on an exchange server. I have the aliases setup in 
/etc/asiases for the exchange server. Staff use OWA for web based access 
to exchange and squirrelmail for student's access to their mail. It 
works well as all the exchange mail is filtered with clam, spamassassin, 
etc.

Rick


From robbyt at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 16:05:15 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:05:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux email server in front of Exchange
In-Reply-To: <44BD46CB.9030907@mitechie.com>
References: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200607181504.28251.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
	<44BD46CB.9030907@mitechie.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090607181405l65da08fdyb72f15625e4e9d5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/18/06, Richard Harding <rharding at mitechie.com> wrote:
>
> Henrik Hudson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 18 July 2006 14:52, "jason reynolds" <jeruvin at gmail.com> sent
> a
> > missive stating:
> >> I'm curious if anyone has any experience with a Linux mail server in
> >> addition to Exchange on a network. I'm thinking if it's possible to
> have 40
> >> email accounts setup on a Linux mail server and have 10 of these emails
> >> forwarded to an exchange server on the network and the rest available
> to a
> >> pop client connecting to the Linux mail server.
> >
> > Under a single domain?
> >
> > Easiest would be to create and user at exchange.domain.com for email in
> your
> > internal network on the exchange server and then just alias mail for
> users
> > destined to user at domain.com to the exchange mailbox. You can even scrub
> the
> > email before it hits your exchange server, etc...
> >
> > Henrik
>
> That is what I do. We run Linux based mail accounts for 70 students and
> the 8 staff run on an exchange server. I have the aliases setup in
> /etc/asiases for the exchange server. Staff use OWA for web based access
> to exchange and squirrelmail for student's access to their mail. It
> works well as all the exchange mail is filtered with clam, spamassassin,
> etc.
>
> Rick
>

I actually have a similar setup- but i use a combination of Zimbra and
Exchange. I'm having a bit of a problem with Zimbra that perhaps someone
here can give me advice on.

The question isn't Zimbra specific, but more about general email servers...

My frontend postfix server has all of the accounts in the domain aliased to
their necessary backend servers... ie.

user at domain.com user at server1.domain.com
user at domain.com user at server2.domain.com

The gateway works great, for the most part- the problem is that Zimbra
doesn't send out out-of-office responses because the RCPT TO: in the
envelope doesn't match the TO: in the headers! I guess this behavior is by
design, so that mailing lists don't get sent out-of-office messages... But
it screws me!

So, my question- should i try to figure out how to get my Postfix gateway to
rewrite the headers? Or should i try to coax Zimbra into thinking that the
TO: header is valid?
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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Tue Jul 18 16:25:05 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:25:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux email server in front of Exchange
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eb23c4e0607181252t33abc1e7u9d9c7d8e080fd36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060718212505.GB15757@www.ewilts.org>

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 02:52:32PM -0500, jason reynolds wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone has any experience with a Linux mail server in
> addition to Exchange on a network. I'm thinking if it's possible to have 40
> email accounts setup on a Linux mail server and have 10 of these emails
> forwarded to an exchange server on the network and the rest available to a
> pop client connecting to the Linux mail server.

This should work just fine.  We have all of our email incoming through
multiple Linux servers, and then some users get forwarded to various
servers with the rest going to Exchange.  Exchange is just another smtp
server - nothing special about it from the mail routing point of view.

The aliases file determines which server gets the mail next.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From dan at dandrake.org  Wed Jul 19 16:14:44 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:14:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
Message-ID: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>

I'm teaching a math course for elementary school teachers, and today we
told them about Reverse Polish Notation, just to make them think about
order of arithmetic operations.

It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show
students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does anyone have an
old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could get
one?

Dan

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Jul 19 17:19:19 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org> 
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <20060719221919.43878207D@skuld.wookimus.net>

Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org>  wrote:
> Does anyone have an old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or
> know where I could get one?

A physical calculator?  No.  A software calculator.  Yes.  Any lisp
interpretor will do just fine.  Try guile or common lisp.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 19 17:43:39 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:43:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEPMCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Drake
>
>
> I'm teaching a math course for elementary school teachers,
> and today we
> told them about Reverse Polish Notation, just to make them think about
> order of arithmetic operations.
>
> It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show
> students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does
> anyone have an
> old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could get
> one?
>
> Dan


There are many RPN calculator software emulators around.  Some with
source.  Probably some of the old DOS and Windoze ones have been moved
to Linux.  Just try Google.  My old HP-35 may be worth too much as a
collector item...  I have HP-15 and HP-16 and HP-12 as well.   Many
folks have the HP-12.  Pawn shops often have various HP models.


Chuck




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed Jul 19 17:53:57 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:53:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607191749500.23177@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Dan Drake wrote:

> I'm teaching a math course for elementary school teachers, and today we 
> told them about Reverse Polish Notation, just to make them think about 
> order of arithmetic operations.
>
> It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show 
> students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does anyone have an 
> old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could get 
> one?


It's been a long time, but I worked selling calculators in a store 30 
years ago!  I'm pretty sure that RPN was the approach taken on all HP 
calculators, but I guess that changed over the years.  Here's an excellent 
web page:

http://www.hp.com/calculators/news/rpn.html

It provides a little web-based calculator that you can use to practice 
RPN.

Mike


From jack at jacku.com  Wed Jul 19 22:59:26 2006
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:59:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <200607192259.26598.jack@jacku.com>

On Wednesday 19 July 2006 4:14 pm, Dan Drake wrote:
> I'm teaching a math course for elementary school teachers, and today we
> told them about Reverse Polish Notation, just to make them think about
> order of arithmetic operations.
>
> It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show
> students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does anyone have an
> old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could get
> one?
>
> Dan

One of my favorite options for RPN with programming languages is FORTH. It is 
completely stack based so is a real good illustration of doing things using 
RPN. Its also a great example of this technique being used for a practical 
purpose. FORTH was originally designed to control telescopes.

More direct answers to your question:

From Freshmeat I found this link: http://www.bellz.org/rpcalc/


-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com  Thu Jul 20 00:27:06 2006
From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:27:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060719234104.036ed3b0@pop.mm.com>

I still have the HP-45 calculator that I bought as a junior at the U 
of M.  The HP-45 was the second hand-held calculator produced by HP, 
following the HP-35 which debuted in 1972, my freshman 
year.  Calculators were so outrageously expensive at the time -- the 
HP-35 initially cost $395; the HP-45, $800 -- that they were 
considered an unfair test-taking advantage over the bulk of students 
who could afford only slide rules, and thus were banned during tests 
until my senior year.  They had a demonstration model available for 
anyone to play with at a counter in the engineering bookstore, and I 
would sometimes go there late in the afternoons to use it on my 
physics homework.  Man, how I lusted to possess that marvelous 
device, which could so effortlessly calculate standard deviations, 
convert between radial and rectilinear coordinates, and conjure 
values of transcendental functions with to impossible precision 
faster than an undergraduate could say "mantissa".  Kids today -- 
what with their umpty-GHz laptops and fancy spreadsheets --  will 
never understand how easy they've got it! :-)

Prices for advanced electronics, then as now, dropped rapidly.  I 
could afford the HP-45 midway through my junior year only because it 
had within a year and a half dropped from $800 to $400.  (Bear in 
mind that a typical textbook would set you back about $25 in those days.)

My old HP-45 is not for sale -- it holds great sentimental value for 
me -- but I would be willing to loan it to you for a few days, if 
you'd like to show it off to your math students.

-- Dean


BTW, Wikipedia has a fascinating article on the HP-35 et sequelae, 
where you will learn that, "The HP-35 was exactly 5.8 inches long and 
3.2 inches wide.  This was the size of William Hewlett's pocket, 
hence 'pocket calculator'."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-35



At 04:14 PM 7/19/06, Dan Drake wrote:
>I'm teaching a math course for elementary school teachers, and today we
>told them about Reverse Polish Notation, just to make them think about
>order of arithmetic operations.
>
>It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show
>students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does anyone have an
>old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could get
>one?
>
>Dan



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul 20 00:53:08 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:53:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060719234104.036ed3b0@pop.mm.com>
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20060719234104.036ed3b0@pop.mm.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote:

> I still have the HP-45 calculator that I bought as a junior at the U of 
> M.  The HP-45 was the second hand-held calculator produced by HP, 
> following the HP-35 which debuted in 1972, my freshman year. 
> Calculators were so outrageously expensive at the time -- the HP-35 
> initially cost $395; the HP-45, $800

I bought my first in 1974 during my junior year of HS.  It was a Sears 
"Electronic Slide Rule."  It had all the trig functions, log, etc., to 8 
digits.  I was amazed.  It cost $108, I believe.  It also dropped by 1/2 
in about a year.  I had saved my money from my paper route for months to 
buy that thing.  It was definitely worth it.  At that time, it was the 
only device anyone I knew had ever seen that could compute a log to 8 
digits, for example, and it did it almost instantly.

Sure, kids today have fancy computers, but they use them to send Chuck 
Norris jokes.  But seriously, we installed Ruby on my kids' box and that 
language can really do arithmetic.  He programmed it to do factorials and 
did 50000! with no problem.  That was fun.

Mike


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 01:35:03 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:35:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller
>
> I bought my first in 1974 during my junior year of HS.  It
> was a Sears
> "Electronic Slide Rule."  It had all the trig functions, log,
> etc., to 8
> digits.  I was amazed.  It cost $108, I believe.  It also
> dropped by 1/2
> in about a year.  I had saved my money from my paper route
> for months to
> buy that thing.  It was definitely worth it.  At that time,
> it was the
> only device anyone I knew had ever seen that could compute a log to 8
> digits, for example, and it did it almost instantly.

Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit precision.  HP
calculators are the only ones that have at least 10 digits of precision
throughout.  We could not use TI scientific calculators except as slide
rule replacements because of their 8 digit limited precision.
Discovering that 8 digits was not enough at all in these applications
made a deep impression on me.

Chuck



From sac at cheesecake.org  Thu Jul 20 06:49:57 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:49:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 01.35.03 -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit precision.
> HP calculators are the only ones that have at least 10 digits of
> precision throughout.  We could not use TI scientific calculators except
> as slide rule replacements because of their 8 digit limited precision.
> Discovering that 8 digits was not enough at all in these applications
> made a deep impression on me.

Ten digits on a slide rule?  How exactly does that work?  Given that a
normal ten-inch slide rule has three digits of precision throughout the
scale (four on the left side, blah blah), you'd need a slide rule 106
feet long to get ten digits.  I don't know how much precision a five-inch
pocket slide rule has, so maybe I'm off buy one factor of two.

`Three digits is enough for most things' was the slide rule mantra.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From dalan at visi.com  Thu Jul 20 09:41:17 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:41:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <1153406477.44bf960d5c9aa@my.visi.com>


> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 01.35.03 -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit precision.
> > HP calculators are the only ones that have at least 10 digits of
> > precision throughout.  We could not use TI scientific calculators except
> > as slide rule replacements because of their 8 digit limited precision.
> > Discovering that 8 digits was not enough at all in these applications
> > made a deep impression on me.
>
>

Many releases of Linux have a tool called ORPIE which is a visual RPN
calculator. Maybe you could use that, it is also available for Cygwin.

Just a though.

Don S.



From sulrich at botwerks.org  Thu Jul 20 10:04:21 2006
From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:04:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <1153406477.44bf960d5c9aa@my.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<1153406477.44bf960d5c9aa@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <f2ec4fb50607200804g64fdf65evad31c6cf852a542@mail.gmail.com>

i might be missing something but i haven't seen any mention of x48.
HP has made the ROMs available for folks to use with the emulator.
sure beats slurping the ROM over the serial cable from your HP48.

this is a great way to see how the HPs actually work.

On 7/20/06, dalan at visi.com <dalan at visi.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 01.35.03 -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit precision.
> > > HP calculators are the only ones that have at least 10 digits of
> > > precision throughout.  We could not use TI scientific calculators except
> > > as slide rule replacements because of their 8 digit limited precision.
> > > Discovering that 8 digits was not enough at all in these applications
> > > made a deep impression on me.
> >
> >
>
> Many releases of Linux have a tool called ORPIE which is a visual RPN
> calculator. Maybe you could use that, it is also available for Cygwin.
>
> Just a though.
>
> Don S.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-- 
steve ulrich <sulrich at botwerks.org>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul 20 11:05:59 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:05:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 01.35.03 -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
>> Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit precision. HP 
>> calculators are the only ones that have at least 10 digits of precision 
>> throughout.  We could not use TI scientific calculators except as slide 
>> rule replacements because of their 8 digit limited precision. 
>> Discovering that 8 digits was not enough at all in these applications 
>> made a deep impression on me.
>
> Ten digits on a slide rule?  How exactly does that work?  Given that a 
> normal ten-inch slide rule has three digits of precision throughout the 
> scale (four on the left side, blah blah), you'd need a slide rule 106 
> feet long to get ten digits.  I don't know how much precision a 
> five-inch pocket slide rule has, so maybe I'm off buy one factor of two.
>
> `Three digits is enough for most things' was the slide rule mantra.


He was only saying that 8-digits is enough for "slide rule replacement", 
which makes sense because if a slide rule can do three digits, then a 
device that can do 8 digits is more than sufficient to replace a slide 
rule.

I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that required 10 digits 
instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.  I'd also wonder about 
internal precision because I believe my old calculator that showed 8 
digits actually had a little more inside and you could see those extra 
digits by subtracting away the 8 visible digits.  It would then show a few 
in scientific notation.  Hypothetical example:

  0.83248872
-0.83248872
  ----------
  3.17 E-09

Mike


From sac at cheesecake.org  Thu Jul 20 11:34:05 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:34:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060720163405.GA30571@cheesecake.org>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 11.05.59 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 01.35.03 -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > Several kinds of applications require more than 8 digit
> > > precision. HP calculators are the only ones that have at least 10
> > > digits of precision throughout.  We could not use TI scientific
> > > calculators except as slide rule replacements because of their 8
> > > digit limited precision.  Discovering that 8 digits was not enough
> > > at all in these applications made a deep impression on me.
> > 
> > Ten digits on a slide rule?  How exactly does that work?  Given that a
> 
> He was only saying that 8-digits is enough for "slide rule replacement",

Ahh, misunderstood that.

> I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that required 10
> digits instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.  I'd also
> wonder about

My wild guess is rocket science.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Thu Jul 20 11:50:51 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:50:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060720165051.GB29549@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:05:59AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that required 10 digits 
> instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.  I'd also wonder about 
> internal precision because I believe my old calculator that showed 8 
> digits actually had a little more inside 

I think the old TI calculators had 10 or 12 digits internally but only
displayed 8.  I never did like the HP calculators - TI was the way for
me.  I owned a slide rule for many years and may still have one in the
garage somewhere...  Some people thought I was cheating in high school
using a slide rule!  Damn I feel old :-)

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 13:12:48 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:12:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEPPCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:06 AM
>
> He was only saying that 8-digits is enough for "slide rule
> replacement",
> which makes sense because if a slide rule can do three digits, then a
> device that can do 8 digits is more than sufficient to
> replace a slide
> rule.

Thanks.  8 digits is more than adequate for slide rule replacement, but
inadequate for optical design and for some electronic development tasks.

> I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that
> required 10 digits
> instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.

I won't go into detail, but will suggest a clue to understanding why
optical design (lens design) may need extra high precision.  Note that a
color-corrected lens would be expected to show the hair on a critter
that is more than 17 feet away.  The angular size of a hair at 17 feet
is an arc-second.  The calculations for surfaces and ray bending through
a 2 or more element lens must be accurate to arc seconds over a field of
view of say 45 degrees.  That's too wide for small-angle approximations
and 8 digits are significant, so more are required to assure there is no
round-off error in thousands of iterations.  A computer is generally a
better choice for any optical design, but not always and not for
everybody, etc.

The case that made me study this long ago was in developing a pulsed
laser rangefinder to do accurate survey rangefinding of 1/10 inch
accuracy over distances of up to two miles.  Before building the
arithmetic unit for display to people, I had to check and prove accuracy
in the field as part of debugging the analog radar-like "front end".
The front end converted pulse transit time samples to a digital count.
That required correction for the atmospheric effects upon the speed of
light as well as scale factors to get from a machine count to inches.
For reasons I don't recall, that took at least 8 digits without any
round-off at all... I think it was actually ten, but the reason for that
extra bit isn't obvious from what I just outlined...   Oh! that machine
count was an accumulated machine average of 40,000 samples for noise
reduction, and the least digits were significant.


>  I'd also
> wonder about
> internal precision because I believe my old calculator that showed 8
> digits actually had a little more inside and you could see
> those extra
> digits by subtracting away the 8 visible digits.

HP had very good specs and app notes that detailed the numeric precision
of their analytic and transcendental calculations.  TI's notes weren't
as good, but clearly showed less precision and its inability to do the
more precise tasks.

I don't remember exact details and won't look them up now, but I think
you are right but not complete.  I recall that there was more analytic
function accuracy than transcendental in these.  Transcendentals
accurate to only 1 part in 10exp8 or less.  When carried through 10-100
iterations will make the errors limit a result's repeatability to only
one part in 10exp6 or less.  The extra analytic (exact function) digits
"helped" in complex calculations.  A classic error analysis of a mixed
calculation would make all this clear.  I separately built some digital
numerical machines to do analog computer stuff and had studied the
behavior of analytic functions versus transcendentals: that confirmed
that some forms of recursion on analytic functions have no cumulative
error while that cannot be true for transcendentals.

If you're really interested, Google some old HP info on calculation
precision and accuracy.  That should be available, and will cover the HP
calculator precision and accuracy capabilities quite well.  Might have
it in my old HP calculator books.


Chuck








From spencer at autonomous.tv  Thu Jul 20 13:12:15 2006
From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:12:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
Message-ID: <20060720181215.GD29901@autonomous.tv>


I have a client that is looking for a simple IM solution for dispatching
"crews" to a job site.  The basic scenario is this:  

Boss has an IM client with 5 groups of 20 employees each.  Each
employee marks their status when they come to work (i.e. Ready to work).
The boss needs to know when he has 5-6 employees in a group that have
the "Ready to Work" status.

I am looking for a way to have the group name change color (or simalar)
as the number of employees grows closer to the desired number of
employees that are "Ready to Work" in each group.  

For example:
0 employees "Ready to Work" = grey 
1 employee = yellow
2 employees = orange
etc...

Is there a client that supports this type of notify?  I was thinking of
possibly writing a script that looked at the status of each employee and
generated a color scheme for each group.  Any other suggestions?

-- 
Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer
Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2  68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 13:16:48 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:16:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720163405.GA30571@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEPPCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sidney Cammeresi
>
> > I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that required 10
> > digits instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.  I'd also
> > wonder about
>
> My wild guess is rocket science.
>

Nah.. lasers in the jungle, etc.

Most rocket science *is* only slide rule precision, but testing guidance
and nav of a rocket that's thousands of miles away and determining
whether it's pointed accuractely takes much more  :-)

Chuck



From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Jul 20 13:28:19 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:28:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
In-Reply-To: <20060720181215.GD29901@autonomous.tv> 
References: <20060720181215.GD29901@autonomous.tv>
Message-ID: <20060720182819.8AE666D0F@skuld.wookimus.net>

> Is there a client that supports this type of notify?  I was thinking
> of possibly writing a script that looked at the status of each
> employee and generated a color scheme for each group.  Any other
> suggestions?

Sounds like a customization for some nice, scriptable IM client.
Don't personally know of any, since I use bitlbee+irssi to get my
jabber access.

-- 
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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From ewilts at ewilts.org  Thu Jul 20 14:27:53 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:27:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEPPCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <20060720163405.GA30571@cheesecake.org>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEPPCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060720192753.GA31727@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 01:16:48PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > digits instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting.  I'd also
> > > wonder about
> >
> > My wild guess is rocket science.
> >
> 
> Nah.. lasers in the jungle, etc.
> 
> Most rocket science *is* only slide rule precision, but testing guidance
> and nav of a rocket that's thousands of miles away and determining
> whether it's pointed accuractely takes much more  :-)

Personally, if a rocket lands in my living room or dining room, I don't
much care.  On the other hand, if you miss by that much doing laser
surgery, it's a wee bit of a problem (ok, if you miss by *that* much,
you're ok since you'll only laser your toes off and miss the patient
completely).

        .../Ed

-- 
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Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 14:59:03 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:59:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720192753.GA31727@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCIEAEHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:28 PM
>
> Personally, if a rocket lands in my living room or dining
> room, I don't
> much care.

That should read "won't much care": you'd be squished by a Shuttle or an
Atlas rocket, etc.

> On the other hand, if you miss by that much doing laser
> surgery, it's a wee bit of a problem (ok, if you miss by *that* much,
> you're ok since you'll only laser your toes off and miss the patient
> completely).

Laser tools don't work that way.  The "cutting" part is like using a
magnifying glass to burn a leaf.  Just a little bit away from the
burning area, it's diffuse and no harm at all unless it's a type of
laser whose brightness alone may cause eye damage.  If it was like a
"light saber", surgery and stuff would be impossible - except for basic
amputations.  Many laser types are not dangerous at all in any beam
configuration.  Others can burn a bad guy's incoming missile out of the
sky before a Patriot anti-missile missile could be launched.  Oh.. most
of these are pretty complex and need Linux real-time stuff to make them
do their things...  so this is kinda on topic  :-)


Chuck



From dan at dandrake.org  Thu Jul 20 15:53:04 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20060720205304.GA10207@dandrake.org>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 11:05AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> I would like to hear from Chuck what he was doing that required 10
> digits instead of 8 digits.  That's pretty interesting. 

Me too. The other day I learned that Ramanujan (a famous Indian
mathematician from the WWI era) had an expression that matched pi to 9
decimal places:

  (98.5 - 1/11)^(1/4)

I figured out the other day that if the above quantity and pi were both
measuring miles, the difference between those two numbers would be about
the width of a human hair. Over three miles long, and these distances
differ by a hairsbreadth! That's 9 digits of precision. I wonder what
you'd need 10 for.

Dan

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From dan at dandrake.org  Thu Jul 20 16:02:36 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:02:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
References: <20060719211444.GA8873@dandrake.org>
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 at 04:14PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one could show
> students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does anyone have
> an old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could
> get one?

Hrm, I was secretly hoping someone would offer me an old HP and say "I
never use it, just give me 10 bucks for it". I suppose I should have
known better!

Perhaps I'll break down and get one of those new HP 33s calculators.

Dan

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From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu Jul 20 16:21:52 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:21:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720205304.GA10207@dandrake.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
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	<20060720205304.GA10207@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 03:53:04PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> The other day I learned that Ramanujan (a famous Indian mathematician
> from the WWI era) had an expression that matched pi to 9 decimal
> places:
> 
>   (98.5 - 1/11)^(1/4)
> 

97.5 perhaps?  And I only get 8 decimal places.

-- 
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Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG)      Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 16:40:09 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:40:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720210236.GB10207@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGCEABCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Drake
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 at 04:14PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> > It would be nice to actually own an RPN calculator, so one
> could show
> > students that this isn't just an abstract curiosity. Does
> anyone have
> > an old RPN calculator that they would sell me, or know where I could
> > get one?
>
> Hrm, I was secretly hoping someone would offer me an old HP and say "I
> never use it, just give me 10 bucks for it". I suppose I should have
> known better!
>
> Perhaps I'll break down and get one of those new HP 33s calculators.
>


The MathUPro product for a Palm OS PDA does a fine job of HP emulation,
and has an HP-12 add-on I picked up for it.  I think it is compatible
with complex HP programs also, but I don't use those so haven't looked
closely and don't recall the emulation model that's quoted.  I have had
it for my Palm smartphone for several years and just use it occasionally
for unprogrammed things these days.  I recommend looking into this
carefully before buying any new calculator-only device.


Chuck



From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 20 16:48:14 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:48:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEABCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John J. Trammell
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 03:53:04PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> > The other day I learned that Ramanujan (a famous Indian
> mathematician
> > from the WWI era) had an expression that matched pi to 9 decimal
> > places:
> >
> >   (98.5 - 1/11)^(1/4)
> >
>
> 97.5 perhaps?  And I only get 8 decimal places.
>


Isn't a simple ratio approximation similar to the one 355/113 about that
good ?  That particular one is good to about 1 part per ten million
(about 7 places) and is much faster in hardware !!



Chuck



From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Jul 20 17:03:17 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:03:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607201703.AA03170005@sbn-services.com>

I am looking for a temporary backup to a Cisco PIX firewall that has 5 IPs all in use. To date the *Nix based firewalls I have seen
(Endian, PFSense, m0n0wall) basically are suited for home use, i.e. 1 static IP can be used. Does anyone know of a solution that would
allow me to swap between the PIX and a Linux based firewall? Of our 5 IPs at least 2 have to be pointed to individual WAN addresses,
hence the need.


Sean Waite




From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 17:11:38 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:11:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
In-Reply-To: <20060720182819.8AE666D0F@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <20060720181215.GD29901@autonomous.tv>
	<20060720182819.8AE666D0F@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020607201511k2b87888v39f4122a4b102c33@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know of any either, but I always thought someone should invent
a chair with a pressure switch that could communicate with your
computer. Then script/integrate/whatever with IRC/IM clients to set
yourself away and back automatically.

I don't see anyone buying it ever, but it would be a fun little side
project...if I had time for another side project. ;)

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jul 20 17:11:02 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:11:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20060720205304.GA10207@dandrake.org>
	<20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201708530.21974@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, John J. Trammell wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 03:53:04PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
>> The other day I learned that Ramanujan (a famous Indian mathematician
>> from the WWI era) had an expression that matched pi to 9 decimal
>> places:
>>
>>   (98.5 - 1/11)^(1/4)
>>
>
> 97.5 perhaps?  And I only get 8 decimal places.


With 97.5 it is good for 8 and the 9th is off by only 1:

(97.5 - 1/11)^(1/4) - pi
ans =  -1.00714681039449e-09

Ramanujan was extremely good with Pi and he developed many fascinating 
equations for Pi.

Mike


From dan at dandrake.org  Thu Jul 20 20:13:16 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:13:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607200040520.23400@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEPNCEAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20060720114957.GA29444@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607201059520.13135@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20060720205304.GA10207@dandrake.org>
	<20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <20060721011316.GA10532@dandrake.org>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 at 04:21PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 03:53:04PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> > The other day I learned that Ramanujan (a famous Indian
> > mathematician from the WWI era) had an expression that matched pi to
> > 9 decimal places:
> > 
> >   (98.5 - 1/11)^(1/4)
> > 
> 
> 97.5 perhaps?  And I only get 8 decimal places.

Ah, yes. And yeah, I see they differ in the 9th decimal place: the
number above (with 97.5) to 15 places is

  3.14159265258265

and pi to 15 places is

  3.14159265358979

at least according to Mathematica.

Dan

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From robbyt at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 21:24:05 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:24:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607201703.AA03170005@sbn-services.com>
References: <WorldClient-F200607201703.AA03170005@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090607201924t40e5c08bteec1f6d1cd3ec40f@mail.gmail.com>

I know for a fact that m0n0wall and ipcop can have multiple ips on wan.

and since m0n0wall can do it, pfsense can do it also obviously! :D Pfsense
also supports multiple WAN connections from different providers.






On 7/20/06, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a temporary backup to a Cisco PIX firewall that has 5 IPs
> all in use. To date the *Nix based firewalls I have seen
> (Endian, PFSense, m0n0wall) basically are suited for home use, i.e. 1
> static IP can be used. Does anyone know of a solution that would
> allow me to swap between the PIX and a Linux based firewall? Of our 5 IPs
> at least 2 have to be pointed to individual WAN addresses,
> hence the need.
>
>
> Sean Waite
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Jul 20 22:23:27 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:23:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607202223.AA23270009@sbn-services.com>

Thanks. I just took a look again at m0n0wall and see now where I configure them. In the past I had basically (and incorrectly) assumed
that this would be done, if possible, when configuring the interfaces. Since you only put one static IP there I just figured that was
it.  I was looking at this as if it was a PIX. I guess as a very famous man in history once said....DOH!

Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Terhaar" <robbyt at gmail.com>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:24:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed

> I know for a fact that m0n0wall and ipcop can have multiple ips on wan.
> 
> and since m0n0wall can do it, pfsense can do it also obviously! :D Pfsense
> also supports multiple WAN connections from different providers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/20/06, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a temporary backup to a Cisco PIX firewall that has 5 IPs
> > all in use. To date the *Nix based firewalls I have seen
> > (Endian, PFSense, m0n0wall) basically are suited for home use, i.e. 1
> > static IP can be used. Does anyone know of a solution that would
> > allow me to swap between the PIX and a Linux based firewall? Of our 5 IPs
> > at least 2 have to be pointed to individual WAN addresses,
> > hence the need.
> >
> >
> > Sean Waite
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 




From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Thu Jul 20 22:29:37 2006
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:29:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEABCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEABCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060721032937.GA7277@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 04:48:14PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> Isn't a simple ratio approximation similar to the one 355/113 about
> that good ?  That particular one is good to about 1 part per ten
> million (about 7 places) and is much faster in hardware !!

I generally prefer 4 * atan2(1,1).  Less to remember....  :-)

-- 
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From robbyt at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 22:32:00 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:32:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607202223.AA23160008@sbn-services.com>
References: <WorldClient-F200607201703.AA03170005@sbn-services.com>
	<1f663090607201924t40e5c08bteec1f6d1cd3ec40f@mail.gmail.com>
	<WorldClient-F200607202223.AA23160008@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <1f663090607202032r5add97dfl704304c69a100952@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/20/06, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
> Thanks. I just took a look again at m0n0wall and see now where I configure them. In the past I had basically (and incorrectly) assumed
> that this would be done, if possible, when configuring the interfaces. Since you only put one static IP there I just figured that was
> it.  I was looking at this as if it was a PIX. I guess as a very famous man in history once said....DOH!
>
> Sean Waite
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Rob Terhaar" <robbyt at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:24:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
>
> > I know for a fact that m0n0wall and ipcop can have multiple ips on wan.
> >
> > and since m0n0wall can do it, pfsense can do it also obviously! :D Pfsense
> > also supports multiple WAN connections from different providers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/06, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am looking for a temporary backup to a Cisco PIX firewall that has 5 IPs
> > > all in use. To date the *Nix based firewalls I have seen
> > > (Endian, PFSense, m0n0wall) basically are suited for home use, i.e. 1
> > > static IP can be used. Does anyone know of a solution that would
> > > allow me to swap between the PIX and a Linux based firewall? Of our 5 IPs
> > > at least 2 have to be pointed to individual WAN addresses,
> > > hence the need.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Waite
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
>
>
>

I haven't used m0n0wall in a bit, but in pfsense (the
bells-and-whistles fork of m0n0wall) you simply add "virtual ips" to
the interfaces (any interfaces you choose)


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Thu Jul 20 22:42:59 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:42:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Firewall - 5 WAN IPs needed
In-Reply-To: <20234274.1153452654487.JavaMail.root@sniper31>
References: <20234274.1153452654487.JavaMail.root@sniper31>
Message-ID: <200607202242.59592.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Thursday 20 July 2006 22:23, Sean Waite wrote:
> Thanks. I just took a look again at m0n0wall and see now where I configure
> them. In the past I had basically (and incorrectly) assumed that this would
> be done, if possible, when configuring the interfaces. Since you only put
> one static IP there I just figured that was it.  I was looking at this as
> if it was a PIX. I guess as a very famous man in history once said....DOH!
>
> Sean Waite
>

I'd go with OpenBSD myself. pf is the greatest (what cant it do?). If you 
don't like to learn how to configure it, there are front ends for it as well. 
There is also flashdist (http://www.nmedia.net/~chris/soekris/) which is 
geared towards small form factor / solid state environments like a Soekris. 
It includes nsh which is a cisco-like shell for configuring 
(http://www.nmedia.net/~chris/nsh/)

Anyways, good luck on your firewalling.


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Jul 21 00:48:17 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <20060721032937.GA7277@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEABCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, John J. Trammell wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 04:48:14PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
>> Isn't a simple ratio approximation similar to the one 355/113 about
>> that good ?  That particular one is good to about 1 part per ten
>> million (about 7 places) and is much faster in hardware !!
>
> I generally prefer 4 * atan2(1,1).  Less to remember....  :-)

I usually specify "pi" or "Pi" depending on the program I'm using.  You 
could make it one character shorter than that, if you wanted to.

Here are some formulas for pi including those of Ramanujan (numbers 57, 
74-77, 96-112):

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiFormulas.html

Rational approximations:

http://www.isi.edu/~johnh/ABOUT/FEATURES/RATIONAL_PI/index.html

So 355/113 seems to have some value.  You can get better with this:

104348/33215

But you have to memorize more digits of the formula than it gives back in 
digits of pi!  If you want to get pi right, just memorize it.

Mike


From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com  Fri Jul 21 03:42:12 2006
From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:42:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RPN calculator?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607210020570.4871@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <20060720212152.GA30229@mail.el-swifto.com>
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Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060721033537.03378790@pop.mm.com>

At 12:48 AM 7/21/06, Mike Miller wrote:
>If you want to get pi right, just memorize it.

3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288

Can I have a small container of coffee?

See, I have a rhyme assisting
my feeble brain,
its tasks sometimes resisting.

How I wish I could enumerate Pi easily, since all these horrible 
mnemonics prevent recalling any of pi's sequence more simply.

How I want a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy chapters 
involving quantum mechanics.  One is, yes, adequate even enough to 
induce some fun and pleasure for an instant, miserably brief.

-- http://www.uz.ac.zw/science/maths/zimaths/pimnem.htm 



From tclug at lizakowski.com  Fri Jul 21 09:50:36 2006
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:50:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020607201511k2b87888v39f4122a4b102c33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060720181215.GD29901@autonomous.tv>
	<20060720182819.8AE666D0F@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<e3a54b020607201511k2b87888v39f4122a4b102c33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200607210950.36581.tclug@lizakowski.com>

On Thursday 20 July 2006 17:11, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> I don't know of any either, but I always thought someone should invent
> a chair with a pressure switch that could communicate with your
> computer. Then script/integrate/whatever with IRC/IM clients to set
> yourself away and back automatically.
>
> I don't see anyone buying it ever, but it would be a fun little side
> project...if I had time for another side project. ;)

I'd suggest checking motion rather than mass.  It's pretty easy to hook an IR 
motion detector to the printer port.  Radio Shack had a cheap one a few years 
back, and it only involved soldering one wire.  Add a few lines of C code, 
and it would call a function when something moved.  It was really quick to 
put together and was unobtrusive.

Jeremy


From mglaser at umn.edu  Fri Jul 21 18:10:05 2006
From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:10:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with mod_rewrite on Apache 2.2.2
Message-ID: <44C15ECD.8090406@umn.edu>

Problem: Need to redirect 'www.domain.name/xy' to 'xy.other.domain.net'. 
I need the redirection from the first URL to work for both 'xy' and 
'XY'. I figure why not make it work for the combinations 'xY' and 'Xy' 
as well. Here is the virtual host configuration section of my Apache 
HTTP server. The version I am running is 2.2.2.

<VirtualHost 192.168.0.1:80>
     ServerAdmin admin at domain.name
     DocumentRoot /www/htdocs
     ServerName www.domain.name
     ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error_log-domain.name
     CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access_log-domain.name combined

     RewriteEngine on
     RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/xy/(.*) [NC]
     RewriteRule ^/xy/(.*)        http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]
</VirtualHost>

The above code works fine when this URL is used 'www.domain.name/xy'. As 
I understand things, the [NC] code at the end of the 'RewriteCond' line 
should indicate that the condition is case insensitive, but it doesn't 
appear to be that way. The URL 'www.domain.name/xY' will not be redirected.

Armed with my very limited knowledge of regular expressions and 
mod_rewrite, I tried the following two configurations (one at a time) 
and neither worked:

  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY]/(.*) [NC]
  RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xy|XY|Xy|xY]/(.*) [NC]
  RewriteRule ^/[xy|XY|Xy|xY]/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

Any suggestions on how I can solve this problem?

Thanks, Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Jul 21 19:40:01 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:40:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with mod_rewrite on Apache 2.2.2
In-Reply-To: <44C15ECD.8090406@umn.edu>
References: <44C15ECD.8090406@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607211931510.966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Michael Glaser wrote:

> Armed with my very limited knowledge of regular expressions and 
> mod_rewrite, I tried the following two configurations (one at a time) 
> and neither worked:
>
>  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY]/(.*) [NC]
>  RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]
>
>  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xy|XY|Xy|xY]/(.*) [NC]
>  RewriteRule ^/[xy|XY|Xy|xY]/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]
>
> Any suggestions on how I can solve this problem?


You're sure that first one didn't work?

Your first one is a proper regexp.  The second one is not a proper regexp 
-- it should probably be (xy|XY|Xy|xY) instead of [xy|XY|Xy|xY], but you 
then need to use $2.

If all else fails, you should be able to enumerate all possibilities:

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/xy/(.*) [NC]
RewriteRule ^/xy/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/XY/(.*) [NC]
RewriteRule ^/XY/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/xY/(.*) [NC]
RewriteRule ^/xY/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/Xy/(.*) [NC]
RewriteRule ^/Xy/(.*)  http://xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

Mike


From markdeb.browne at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 19:52:14 2006
From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
In-Reply-To: <200607210950.36581.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <006301c6ad29$1280e7a0$1202a8c0@AMD64>

You could watch the operator's space with a webcam. If you can see the back
of the chair then the user is away. 

Mark Browne

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:51 AM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] IM question

On Thursday 20 July 2006 17:11, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> I don't know of any either, but I always thought someone should invent
> a chair with a pressure switch that could communicate with your
> computer. Then script/integrate/whatever with IRC/IM clients to set
> yourself away and back automatically.
>
> I don't see anyone buying it ever, but it would be a fun little side
> project...if I had time for another side project. ;)

I'd suggest checking motion rather than mass.  It's pretty easy to hook an
IR 
motion detector to the printer port.  Radio Shack had a cheap one a few
years 
back, and it only involved soldering one wire.  Add a few lines of C code, 
and it would call a function when something moved.  It was really quick to 
put together and was unobtrusive.

Jeremy

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From swaite at sbn-services.com  Fri Jul 21 20:31:27 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:31:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IM question
In-Reply-To: <006301c6ad29$1280e7a0$1202a8c0@AMD64>
References: <200607210950.36581.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<006301c6ad29$1280e7a0$1202a8c0@AMD64>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607212031.AA31270013@sbn-services.com>

Isn't this getting a little too 1984? 

Sean Waite



-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Browne" <markdeb.browne at comcast.net>
To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] IM question

> You could watch the operator's space with a webcam. If you can see the back
> of the chair then the user is away. 
> 
> Mark Browne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:51 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] IM question
> 
> On Thursday 20 July 2006 17:11, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > I don't know of any either, but I always thought someone should invent
> > a chair with a pressure switch that could communicate with your
> > computer. Then script/integrate/whatever with IRC/IM clients to set
> > yourself away and back automatically.
> >
> > I don't see anyone buying it ever, but it would be a fun little side
> > project...if I had time for another side project. ;)
> 
> I'd suggest checking motion rather than mass.  It's pretty easy to hook an
> IR 
> motion detector to the printer port.  Radio Shack had a cheap one a few
> years 
> back, and it only involved soldering one wire.  Add a few lines of C code, 
> and it would call a function when something moved.  It was really quick to 
> put together and was unobtrusive.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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From mglaser at umn.edu  Fri Jul 21 20:37:51 2006
From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:37:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with mod_rewrite on Apache 2.2.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607211931510.966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <44C15ECD.8090406@umn.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607211931510.966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <44C1816F.3060208@umn.edu>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Michael Glaser wrote:
> 
 >> Problem: Need to redirect 'www.domain.name/xy' to 'xy.other.domain.net'.
 >>
>> Armed with my very limited knowledge of regular expressions and 
>> mod_rewrite, I tried the following two configurations (one at a time) 
>> and neither worked:
>>
>>  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY]/(.*) [NC]
>>  RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]/(.*)  http:/xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

> You're sure that first one didn't work?

Upon further testing, yes and no. With the expression listed above, here 
  is what happens:

www.domain.name/xy  -->  xy.other.domain.net/
www.domain.name/XY  -->  error
www.domain.name/XY/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/
www.domain.name/xY  -->  error
www.domain.name/xy/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/
www.domain.name/Xy  -->  error
www.domain.name/Xy/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/

www.domain.name/xy/about  -->  xy.other.domain.net/about (works!)

The first URL (all lowercase) works without a trailing slash, but not 
the others. I wonder why this is happeing.

Next I tried the following:
   RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}  ^/[xX][yY](.*) [NC]
   RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY](.*)  http:/xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

Now this gets me even closer to exactly what I wanted. I removed the 
last '/' in the expression. Now when the URL ends in 'xy' in any 
combination of case, the desired page appears 'xy.other.domain.net/'.

If I include a trailing slash in the original request, the URL in the 
redirected page include an extra one at the end of the address, but the 
page does open. It would look like this:

www.domain.name/xy/  -->  xy.other.domain.net//

Much closer, and this is probably good enough, but not exactly correct. 
Is there an easy way to solve this?

Thanks for the previous reply.
Mike







From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Jul 22 10:56:23 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:56:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with mod_rewrite on Apache 2.2.2
In-Reply-To: <44C1816F.3060208@umn.edu>
References: <44C15ECD.8090406@umn.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607211931510.966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44C1816F.3060208@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607221045180.15940@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Michael Glaser wrote:

> Mike Miller wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Michael Glaser wrote:
>> 
>>> Problem: Need to redirect 'www.domain.name/xy' to 'xy.other.domain.net'.
>>>
>>> Armed with my very limited knowledge of regular expressions and 
>>> mod_rewrite, I tried the following two configurations (one at a time) 
>>> and neither worked:
>>> 
>>>  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY]/(.*) [NC]
>>>  RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]/(.*)  http:/xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]
>
>> You're sure that first one didn't work?
>
> Upon further testing, yes and no. With the expression listed above, here  is 
> what happens:
>
> www.domain.name/xy  -->  xy.other.domain.net/
> www.domain.name/XY  -->  error
> www.domain.name/XY/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/
> www.domain.name/xY  -->  error
> www.domain.name/xy/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/
> www.domain.name/Xy  -->  error
> www.domain.name/Xy/ -->  xy.other.domain.net/
>
> www.domain.name/xy/about  -->  xy.other.domain.net/about (works!)
>
> The first URL (all lowercase) works without a trailing slash, but not 
> the others. I wonder why this is happeing.

Of course you've discovered the problem.  I didn't know you wanted to 
forward if there was no final slash, but you do, and that is the problem. 
The first one shouldn't work, but I think you might have another rule in 
your file for xy that you have forgotten.

So I think you want two rules:

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY]/(.*) [NC]
RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]/(.*)  http:/xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}   ^/[xX][yY] [NC]
RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY]  http:/xy.other.domain.net/ [R=301,L]


The problem with your idea here...

>  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}  ^/[xX][yY](.*) [NC]
>  RewriteRule ^/[xX][yY](.*)  http:/xy.other.domain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

...is that it will work for /xyfoo and you don't want it to do that.


> Now this gets me even closer to exactly what I wanted. I removed the 
> last '/' in the expression. Now when the URL ends in 'xy' in any 
> combination of case, the desired page appears 'xy.other.domain.net/'.
>
> If I include a trailing slash in the original request, the URL in the 
> redirected page include an extra one at the end of the address, but the 
> page does open. It would look like this:
>
> www.domain.name/xy/  -->  xy.other.domain.net//
>
> Much closer, and this is probably good enough, but not exactly correct. 
> Is there an easy way to solve this?

I think my recommendation will work.

Mike


From steventrapp at comcast.net  Sat Jul 22 12:54:59 2006
From: steventrapp at comcast.net (Steven N. Trapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:54:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] PIC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607221249350.15870@atlas.snt.org>

Anyone play with PIC microcontrollers in the T.C. area?

I see that starting sometime in 2005 they have programmers that are
USB 2.0 capable and they also have a few new processors that are also
capable of experimenting with USB 2.0.

I see there is a group called gnupic.org which are writing some com-
pilers for the PIC, so that you have open source alternative.

I'm on a limited budget, but have lots of time for awhile, so I'd like
to GET IT RIGHT the first time (more likely the fourth time) as opposed
to the more-expensive-sixteenth-time.

Has anyone tried any of these?

Thanks in advance.
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From tmarble at info9.net  Sat Jul 22 13:37:55 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:37:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PIC
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607221249350.15870@atlas.snt.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607221249350.15870@atlas.snt.org>
Message-ID: <44C27083.1010609@info9.net>

Steven N. Trapp wrote:
> Anyone play with PIC microcontrollers in the T.C. area?
I've got a lot of the development stuff, but just haven't
had (made?) the cycles to hack it much...

I'm actually very interested in the Atmel AVR line...
In any case it would interesting to find if there is
any intersection of folks in the Twin Cities that
use Linux, like hacking hardware like microcontrollers, and
want to share best practices, etc.

Regards,

--Tom


From jkjones at tcq.net  Sat Jul 22 14:03:36 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:03:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PIC
In-Reply-To: <44C27083.1010609@info9.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607221249350.15870@atlas.snt.org>
	<44C27083.1010609@info9.net>
Message-ID: <44C27688.6030304@tcq.net>

Tom Marble wrote:

>Steven N. Trapp wrote:
>  
>
>>Anyone play with PIC microcontrollers in the T.C. area?
>>    
>>
>I've got a lot of the development stuff, but just haven't
>had (made?) the cycles to hack it much...
>
>I'm actually very interested in the Atmel AVR line...
>In any case it would interesting to find if there is
>any intersection of folks in the Twin Cities that
>use Linux, like hacking hardware like microcontrollers, and
>want to share best practices, etc.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Tom
>  
>
I have been interested in PICs too, for some projects, but never quite 
get around to doing anything.  I got the Myke Predko book and built the 
programmer, and I have one of the TI MSP430 USB evaluation kits.  Just 
don't know what to do with it.

Kraig Jones



From cncole at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 22 15:04:17 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PIC
In-Reply-To: <44C27688.6030304@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEAGCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kraig Jones
>
> Tom Marble wrote:
>
> >Steven N. Trapp wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Anyone play with PIC microcontrollers in the T.C. area?
> >>
> >>
> >I've got a lot of the development stuff, but just haven't
> >had (made?) the cycles to hack it much...
> >
> >I'm actually very interested in the Atmel AVR line...
> >In any case it would interesting to find if there is
> >any intersection of folks in the Twin Cities that
> >use Linux, like hacking hardware like microcontrollers, and
> >want to share best practices, etc.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >--Tom
> >
> >
> I have been interested in PICs too, for some projects, but
> never quite
> get around to doing anything.  I got the Myke Predko book and
> built the
> programmer, and I have one of the TI MSP430 USB evaluation
> kits.  Just
> don't know what to do with it.
>
> Kraig Jones


I'm interestd too and have a couple of suggestions to look into.  The
USB 2.0 spec is 650 pages long, so easy to get things confused.  There
are three data rates, 1.5, 12 and 480 MHz.  Some old "legacy things"
like mice may not work at even 1.5 MHz, and sometimes it's desireable to
operate at a low data rate so the signal can get through a "narrow band
medium" such as a very flexible cord or very low powered wireless link.
How to limit the controller's rate is not clear: it polls to identify
the connection, and whether the polling rate clock can be limited to say
100 kHz is not clear.  Some legacy stuff supposedly operates at low
rates like that however.  Another application I'd like to explore is to
make the data connection to my smartphone when used for data-only so I
can set the equivalent of a modem's DTE rate to be say 1.5MHz.  The dumb
serial driver I have under WinXP emulates a sreial link (but it's
actually USB) and limits that DTE rate to the 115kbaud max UART rate.
There are interesting things to do at the 480MHz end, but that gets real
tricky for sustained dataflow from a PIC processor, etc.

Anybody need links to the spec and some apps?


Chuck




From steventrapp at comcast.net  Sat Jul 22 20:39:39 2006
From: steventrapp at comcast.net (Steven N. Trapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:39:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] PIC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607222011040.7175@atlas.snt.org>

--
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Tom-

Why do you prefer the AVR?  Does it also have the capability of using
USB 2.0?  'Cuz let's face it, serial isn't going to be an option on
laptops a few years down the line... [At least this is my opinion--
maybe you'll get a PCMCIA card that'll provide it--who knows].

All'Y'All-

My idea is mostly trivial in order to learn the PIC/USB2.0 line.
It is a glockenspiel whereby at the top of each hour, a stupid chipmunk
starts singing its A-B-C's.  The chipmunk is, of course, one of those
toys that one's nieces get for Christmas and you swear that if you hear
it just one more time you'll yank its head off.  But mostly it is to
learn how to use the PIC.

So, no, I'd say don't drag up the URLs just yet, until I have a little
more input.

Another idea is that if you're assigned to three projects simultaneous-
ly (this always happens to everyone, doesn't it?), that you could have
three little project boards with a few buttons so you have a log (the
PIC would do the logging) of what you worked on when.  This productivity
aid (which most people think isn't worth the trouble) probably is not
worth the trouble, but it's another fun project to learn the 18F line.

A worthwhile project (for me anyway) would be to use it so that you can
forward the IR from a remote control in one room to the cable box that
is down the hall.  I'd first start it with wired to get it going, then
go with R.F (wireless).  Now you could say go buy it from so and so,
but then you don't have any idea how it really works.

Other more serious ideas- watchdog timer; pillbox time flasher for the
audio impaired; pillbox time buzzer for the visually impaired;  pillbox
flasher and buzzer for the timely impaired; a general purpose timer
(wouldn't it be cool to have a 'crontab -e' interface that wouldn't
need to call your cellphone?); pieces of intercom gear.

And for the grand finale: Let's say your boss wants to make sure that
every box going out to UPS/USPS/FedEx/otherCourier and onwards to the
customer had a picture of the box taken (to cut down on mixups and
theft of course), then it'd be really unobtrusive if you just have a
USB connector to the PC which controlled a hefty enough transistor
or something (I'm not all that good with the details of nonlogic
electrical/electronic circuitry sometimes) which would cause two
lines to go from UNCONNECTED (no action) to CONNECTED (which would
cause the camera to fire off).

Does any of this make money?  Probably not (you're welcome to try),
but it is all PRIOR ART!  Copyleft it then.

Anyway, the PIC are just like $5 USD.  The rest can be point to
point soldered. If there really is a demand for something I'd be quite
surprised, but then a kit could be rapidly developed if you figure out
someone who knows how to make 'real' PC-cards...  [Dennis Smith, are
you out there?  Tony Beltran?--not that he's into soldering...].

Sililoquoy over...  Thanks, all'y'all...
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From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:35:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 24 14:22:01 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:22:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

BlankThese questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie
parts of how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)



1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
specs?

Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally
suffers from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's
signal rises some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable
modem each to get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after
two two-port splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate
signal level on "bad days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new
and adequate.

Questions:

1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.
That would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this
somehow so I could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?

1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?

1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those
also, but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.



2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard
question to ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell
in the midst of a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the
approximate point where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell
to the next as one signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is
stronger.



3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music

3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.

3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?

ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some
or all of that dead when out of range?



Chuck
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 14:48:33 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607241248w3cc25773y41fb581cfe97bacd@mail.gmail.com>

I used to work at a telecommunications company (different state, not
comcast) and will offer my 2 cents.

On 7/24/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>  These questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie parts of
> how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)
>
>
>
> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
> specs?
>

Yes I've seen different modems stay connected at lower ranges than other
modems.

Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally suffers
> from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's signal rises
> some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable modem each to
> get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after two two-port
> splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate signal level on "bad
> days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new and adequate.
>
Ok I'll give you a quick rundown on the spliiter level dropping thing.
Everytime you put a splitter in the way you will drop the signal and make it
more difficult for your modem to chat with comcast. So there is both an
upstream and downsteam going on.

Having a homerun (Comcast connection -> two way split -> (Modem, TV's) ) is
the best to keep a great signal level with your modem.

There is a chance that the signal hitting your house is not sufficient and
that is why you keep getting dropped. In that case it's a line tech that
will need to climb a pole and adjust some amps to fix your signal issue.
More signal could create noise and whanot, so maybe they are truely unable
to do anything about it. Or they just haven't checked lately. I'm not sure
how the cable companies do it around here.

Questions:
>
> 1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.  That
> would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this somehow so I
> could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?
>

There ususally is a diagnostic page accessable using a stardard web browser
pointed to the modem's ip. I'd search the manufacturers website or the
almighty google to find that and the username password if there is any.

Also keep in mind that this number is not always correct. I had to use a
meter to read the signal at the modem and on some cable modem brands it
would read high or low or just be plain wrong.

1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?
>

I do not know.  In the area where I used to troubleshoot modems we had some
brands that would work great for us, but terrible on the competitor. So it
may all depend on the company and thier setup.

1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those also,
> but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.
>

I would try to find out what people are experiencing with comcast. A good
source would be their better technicians that do higher level
troubleshooting with cable modems.

2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard question to
> ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell in the midst of
> a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the approximate point
> where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell to the next as one
> signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is stronger.
>
>
>
> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
>
> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
> keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.
>
> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
> Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
>
> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
> is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some or
> all of that dead when out of range?
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Mon Jul 24 15:20:23 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:20:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
Message-ID: <2006072420202368f0e9aef3@mail.smumn.edu>

Hello:

Hope that I am not being repetitive or ignorant. But when you have an old modem especially one that has worked in the past but now is experiencing troubles, you may have an old DOCSIS 1.0 modem. If you experience drops, resets, and slow connections check with yous ISP to see if it is being supported. This I learned through personal experience. If anyone knows different, let me know? One more thing, I did see your modem type reach a version three (v3). However, my ISP Comcast still suports all three.

David

Comcast:


On Monday, July 24, 2006  2:48 PM, jason reynolds wrote:
>
>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0500
>From: jason reynolds
>To: cncole at earthlink.net
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
>
>I used to work at a telecommunications company (different state, not
>comcast) and will offer my 2 cents.
>
>On 7/24/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>  These questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie parts of
>> how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
>> specs?
>>
>
>Yes I've seen different modems stay connected at lower ranges than other
>modems.
>
>Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally suffers
>> from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's signal rises
>> some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable modem each to
>> get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after two two-port
>> splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate signal level on "bad
>> days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new and adequate.
>>
>Ok I'll give you a quick rundown on the spliiter level dropping thing.
>Everytime you put a splitter in the way you will drop the signal and make it
>more difficult for your modem to chat with comcast. So there is both an
>upstream and downsteam going on.
>
>Having a homerun (Comcast connection -> two way split -> (Modem, TV's) ) is
>the best to keep a great signal level with your modem.
>
>There is a chance that the signal hitting your house is not sufficient and
>that is why you keep getting dropped. In that case it's a line tech that
>will need to climb a pole and adjust some amps to fix your signal issue.
>More signal could create noise and whanot, so maybe they are truely unable
>to do anything about it. Or they just haven't checked lately. I'm not sure
>how the cable companies do it around here.
>
>Questions:
>>
>> 1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.  That
>> would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this somehow so I
>> could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?
>>
>
>There ususally is a diagnostic page accessable using a stardard web browser
>pointed to the modem's ip. I'd search the manufacturers website or the
>almighty google to find that and the username password if there is any.
>
>Also keep in mind that this number is not always correct. I had to use a
>meter to read the signal at the modem and on some cable modem brands it
>would read high or low or just be plain wrong.
>
>1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?
>>
>
>I do not know.  In the area where I used to troubleshoot modems we had some
>brands that would work great for us, but terrible on the competitor. So it
>may all depend on the company and thier setup.
>
>1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those also,
>> but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.
>>
>
>I would try to find out what people are experiencing with comcast. A good
>source would be their better technicians that do higher level
>troubleshooting with cable modems.
>
>2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard question to
>> ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell in the midst of
>> a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the approximate point
>> where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell to the next as one
>> signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is stronger.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
>>
>> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
>> keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.
>>
>> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
>> Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
>>
>> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
>> is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some or
>> all of that dead when out of range?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>



"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Mon Jul 24 22:40:16 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:40:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Booting Issue(s)
Message-ID: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>

Hey all,

I hope you guys will help me start along the path to having l33t Linux hax0r
sk1l7.

I have a ThinkPad 600X (800MHz PIII, 576MB RAM, 40GB disk, etc) that WAS
running FC5 just great... but I did some updates and messed around with the
Services settings.

The first bad sign was that the machine would hang during booting right
before the login screen. I had to turn it off, but I could boot into
runlevel 3, log in and run "init 5" and everything was great. So I tried to
fix it...

Now, starting in runlevel 3 hangs right after it asks me for a user name.
The system is completely unresponsive. I haven't tried to go in remotely
because it's set up for spiffy WiFi with the easy configuration tool, but I
have to log in and give it the default keyring password before it will
configure the card.

So now, I can boot into runlevel 1. Joy.

So, tipsters, what's my next step to restoring my portable workstation,
besides reformatting and restoring my user files from backup? (And yes, I
have a backup.)

I'd really like to be able to diagnose what's going on, because I have two
laptops running Linux, and I'd like to get another one in the house to
switch, but right now my credibility is a little tarnished.

Pointers and questions gleefully taken and answered.

Many thanks,
Chris Schumann



From florin at iucha.net  Mon Jul 24 23:13:16 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:13:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Booting Issue(s)
In-Reply-To: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
References: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <20060725041316.GX7349@iucha.net>

On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:40:16PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote:
> I have a ThinkPad 600X (800MHz PIII, 576MB RAM, 40GB disk, etc) that WAS
> running FC5 just great... but I did some updates and messed around with the
> Services settings.
> 
> The first bad sign was that the machine would hang during booting right
> before the login screen. I had to turn it off, but I could boot into
> runlevel 3, log in and run "init 5" and everything was great. So I tried to
> fix it...
> 
> Now, starting in runlevel 3 hangs right after it asks me for a user name.
> The system is completely unresponsive. I haven't tried to go in remotely
> because it's set up for spiffy WiFi with the easy configuration tool, but I
> have to log in and give it the default keyring password before it will
> configure the card.
> 
> So now, I can boot into runlevel 1. Joy.

Hold it, your runlevels are dropping fast... and 0 is not too comfy ;)

> So, tipsters, what's my next step to restoring my portable workstation,
> besides reformatting and restoring my user files from backup? (And yes, I
> have a backup.)

But do you have a *tested* backup? Eh?

> I'd really like to be able to diagnose what's going on, because I have two
> laptops running Linux, and I'd like to get another one in the house to
> switch, but right now my credibility is a little tarnished.

Boot with a live CD and you can continue to "fix" things 8^)

If Fedora does not have a "live CD" use Knoppix or *Ubuntu.

florin

-- 
If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.                       -- Edsger Dijkstra
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From thecubic at thecubic.net  Mon Jul 24 23:40:08 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:40:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Booting Issue(s)
In-Reply-To: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
References: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <29070.163.231.6.86.1153802408.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

Reboot into single-user (rw), and:

for rc in `ls /etc/init.d`; do chkconfig --list $rc ; done > rcs.orig
for rc in `ls /etc/init.d`; do chkconfig $rc reset ; done
for rc in `ls /etc/init.d`; do chkconfig --list $rc ; done > rcs.reset
reboot

That should undo any 'Services' screwups; there may be some minor things
that enable themselves because of that (capi,dund,restorecond,pand), and
some things that disable themselves (ntpd and anything you activated like
httpd or smb), but it should start what it needs to start.  In terms of
screw-up-ed-ness, this is nothing.

-Dave

On Mon, July 24, 2006 10:40 pm, Chris Schumann wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I hope you guys will help me start along the path to having l33t Linux
> hax0r
> sk1l7.
>
> I have a ThinkPad 600X (800MHz PIII, 576MB RAM, 40GB disk, etc) that WAS
> running FC5 just great... but I did some updates and messed around with
> the
> Services settings.
>
> The first bad sign was that the machine would hang during booting right
> before the login screen. I had to turn it off, but I could boot into
> runlevel 3, log in and run "init 5" and everything was great. So I tried
> to
> fix it...
>
> Now, starting in runlevel 3 hangs right after it asks me for a user name.
> The system is completely unresponsive. I haven't tried to go in remotely
> because it's set up for spiffy WiFi with the easy configuration tool, but
> I
> have to log in and give it the default keyring password before it will
> configure the card.
>
> So now, I can boot into runlevel 1. Joy.
>
> So, tipsters, what's my next step to restoring my portable workstation,
> besides reformatting and restoring my user files from backup? (And yes, I
> have a backup.)
>
> I'd really like to be able to diagnose what's going on, because I have two
> laptops running Linux, and I'd like to get another one in the house to
> switch, but right now my credibility is a little tarnished.
>
> Pointers and questions gleefully taken and answered.
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris Schumann
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 23:49:57 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:49:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Large capacity DVD/CD changer?
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70607242149g7b2d017wfe53df091f2961be@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody played with or know where I could find a Linux-friendly,
large-capacity DVD/CD changer?  A huge bonus would be a
loading/reading and dispensing system.

-- 
Donovan Niesen


From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Jul 24 23:54:44 2006
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:54:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Booting Issue(s)
In-Reply-To: <20060725041316.GX7349@iucha.net>
References: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
	<20060725041316.GX7349@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20060725045444.GA11928@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 11:13:16PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:40:16PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote:
> > I have a ThinkPad 600X (800MHz PIII, 576MB RAM, 40GB disk, etc) that WAS
> > running FC5 just great... but I did some updates and messed around with the
> > Services settings.
> > 
> > The first bad sign was that the machine would hang during booting right
> > before the login screen. I had to turn it off, but I could boot into
> > runlevel 3, log in and run "init 5" and everything was great. So I tried to
> > fix it...
> > 
> > Now, starting in runlevel 3 hangs right after it asks me for a user name.
> > The system is completely unresponsive. I haven't tried to go in remotely
> > because it's set up for spiffy WiFi with the easy configuration tool, but I
> > have to log in and give it the default keyring password before it will
> > configure the card.
> > 
> > So now, I can boot into runlevel 1. Joy.
> 
> Hold it, your runlevels are dropping fast... and 0 is not too comfy ;)

Ah, but run level 1 is a good start.

> Boot with a live CD and you can continue to "fix" things 8^)

You don't need to boot a live CD - you can get into run level 1.  

cd /etc/rc.d/rc3.d
ls S*

You'll get a list of every startup script at this run level, in the
order that they will run.  Now run each one individually, pausing
between each one.  You need to find out which one is causing the
system to hang.  Once you've got that narrowed down, you can figure out
what to do about it - disable that service if you don't need it, or fix
it.

Just out of curiousity, does the system really hang or just pause for
about 5 minutes?  Did you start up sendmail before your network is up?
If so, you'll have DNS issues and sendmail doesn't like running without
DNS...

Another possibility is that you filled /var beyond 80% and auditd is
hanging the system.  A quick google search will probably tell you what
to do about that.

        .../Ed

-- 
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 07:55:13 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:55:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Booting Issue(s)
In-Reply-To: <200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
References: <AcavnAdsqOJi5d9FQYi/9dsj4iVvqw==>
	<200607250337.k6P3bB3i028983@delta.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0607250555s7cfca049n385223a53d6bf8e5@mail.gmail.com>

I'll throw in some advice on testing your hardware to make sure it doesn't
have any problems. Download http://www.ultimatebootcd.com and burn the
LiveCD to an ISO. Boot to it and run an Advanced test of "Drive Fitness
Test" which is a hard drive test. It should pass with a green screen after
30min + depending on your hard drive size. I'd also give Memtest86 a run for
a least one full loop, overnight would be better thou.

Forgive me if you already know how to do all of this and have tested your
hardware. I try to test my hardware when I'm having strange errors just to
rule it out. Nothing like working to fix a problem for hours only to
determine that some hardware is starting to go bad.

Jason

On 7/24/06, Chris Schumann <cschumann at twp-llc.com> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I hope you guys will help me start along the path to having l33t Linux
> hax0r
> sk1l7.
>
> I have a ThinkPad 600X (800MHz PIII, 576MB RAM, 40GB disk, etc) that WAS
> running FC5 just great... but I did some updates and messed around with
> the
> Services settings.
>
> The first bad sign was that the machine would hang during booting right
> before the login screen. I had to turn it off, but I could boot into
> runlevel 3, log in and run "init 5" and everything was great. So I tried
> to
> fix it...
>
> Now, starting in runlevel 3 hangs right after it asks me for a user name.
> The system is completely unresponsive. I haven't tried to go in remotely
> because it's set up for spiffy WiFi with the easy configuration tool, but
> I
> have to log in and give it the default keyring password before it will
> configure the card.
>
> So now, I can boot into runlevel 1. Joy.
>
> So, tipsters, what's my next step to restoring my portable workstation,
> besides reformatting and restoring my user files from backup? (And yes, I
> have a backup.)
>
> I'd really like to be able to diagnose what's going on, because I have two
> laptops running Linux, and I'd like to get another one in the house to
> switch, but right now my credibility is a little tarnished.
>
> Pointers and questions gleefully taken and answered.
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris Schumann
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 09:40:48 2006
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:40:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] kernel docs
Message-ID: <b03472520607250740p200f56e9r7550e30ec74b2471@mail.gmail.com>

Hello-

Does anyone know of a good step by step tutorial/reference for
building a kernel from the latest release? I am using Debian Etch...

Google provides lots of hits on this, but I am looking for a
recommendation for a doc that someone has actually used.

Thanks
Kevin


From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Tue Jul 25 09:57:02 2006
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:57:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] kernel docs
In-Reply-To: <b03472520607250740p200f56e9r7550e30ec74b2471@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520607250740p200f56e9r7550e30ec74b2471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060725095702.A18186@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:40:48AM -0500, Kevin Lombardo wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good step by step tutorial/reference for
> building a kernel from the latest release? I am using Debian Etch...

If you are using Debian, install and use kernel-package to simplify the
kernel building process. Take a look at the documentation for 
kernel-package and the links below.

 http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kernel-package
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG)
Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/ 
Never laugh at live dragons  |


From noly747 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 11:37:34 2006
From: noly747 at gmail.com (jerry Nolan)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:37:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 19, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <mailman.700.1153772261.12171.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.700.1153772261.12171.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <a636ca1d0607250937t2361ead9v1e59f6f911b8c2e5@mail.gmail.com>

I have had problems with splitters dropping the signal too much.  Even
the so-called high quality ones would have the problem.  The cheapies
from radio shack sometimes were better.

On 7/24/06, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
<tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote:
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. OT: cable modem and cell questions (Chuck Cole)
>    2. Re: OT: cable modem and cell questions (jason reynolds)
>    3. Re: OT: cable modem and cell questions (David Alanis)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:22:01 -0500
> From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
> To: "TCLUG" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> BlankThese questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie
> parts of how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)
>
>
>
> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
> specs?
>
> Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally
> suffers from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's
> signal rises some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable
> modem each to get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after
> two two-port splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate
> signal level on "bad days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new
> and adequate.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.
> That would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this
> somehow so I could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?
>
> 1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?
>
> 1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those
> also, but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.
>
>
>
> 2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard
> question to ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell
> in the midst of a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the
> approximate point where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell
> to the next as one signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is
> stronger.
>
>
>
> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
>
> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
> keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.
>
> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
> Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
>
> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
> is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some
> or all of that dead when out of range?
>
>
>
> Chuck
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0500
> From: "jason reynolds" <jeruvin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
> To: cncole at earthlink.net
> Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I used to work at a telecommunications company (different state, not
> comcast) and will offer my 2 cents.
>
> On 7/24/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >  These questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie parts of
> > how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
> > specs?
> >
>
> Yes I've seen different modems stay connected at lower ranges than other
> modems.
>
> Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally suffers
> > from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's signal rises
> > some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable modem each to
> > get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after two two-port
> > splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate signal level on "bad
> > days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new and adequate.
> >
> Ok I'll give you a quick rundown on the spliiter level dropping thing.
> Everytime you put a splitter in the way you will drop the signal and make it
> more difficult for your modem to chat with comcast. So there is both an
> upstream and downsteam going on.
>
> Having a homerun (Comcast connection -> two way split -> (Modem, TV's) ) is
> the best to keep a great signal level with your modem.
>
> There is a chance that the signal hitting your house is not sufficient and
> that is why you keep getting dropped. In that case it's a line tech that
> will need to climb a pole and adjust some amps to fix your signal issue.
> More signal could create noise and whanot, so maybe they are truely unable
> to do anything about it. Or they just haven't checked lately. I'm not sure
> how the cable companies do it around here.
>
> Questions:
> >
> > 1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.  That
> > would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this somehow so I
> > could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?
> >
>
> There ususally is a diagnostic page accessable using a stardard web browser
> pointed to the modem's ip. I'd search the manufacturers website or the
> almighty google to find that and the username password if there is any.
>
> Also keep in mind that this number is not always correct. I had to use a
> meter to read the signal at the modem and on some cable modem brands it
> would read high or low or just be plain wrong.
>
> 1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?
> >
>
> I do not know.  In the area where I used to troubleshoot modems we had some
> brands that would work great for us, but terrible on the competitor. So it
> may all depend on the company and thier setup.
>
> 1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those also,
> > but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.
> >
>
> I would try to find out what people are experiencing with comcast. A good
> source would be their better technicians that do higher level
> troubleshooting with cable modems.
>
> 2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard question to
> > ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell in the midst of
> > a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the approximate point
> > where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell to the next as one
> > signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is stronger.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
> >
> > 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
> > keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.
> >
> > 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
> > Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
> >
> > ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
> > is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some or
> > all of that dead when out of range?
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:20:23 -0500
> From: David Alanis <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
> To: "jason reynolds" <jeruvin at gmail.com>,tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <2006072420202368f0e9aef3 at mail.smumn.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello:
>
> Hope that I am not being repetitive or ignorant. But when you have an old modem especially one that has worked in the past but now is experiencing troubles, you may have an old DOCSIS 1.0 modem. If you experience drops, resets, and slow connections check with yous ISP to see if it is being supported. This I learned through personal experience. If anyone knows different, let me know? One more thing, I did see your modem type reach a version three (v3). However, my ISP Comcast still suports all three.
>
> David
>
> Comcast:
>
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2006  2:48 PM, jason reynolds wrote:
> >
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0500
> >From: jason reynolds
> >To: cncole at earthlink.net
> >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions
> >
> >I used to work at a telecommunications company (different state, not
> >comcast) and will offer my 2 cents.
> >
> >On 7/24/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>  These questions are almost on-topic since they deal with techie parts of
> >> how we choose to connect sometimes...   :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic range
> >> specs?
> >>
> >
> >Yes I've seen different modems stay connected at lower ranges than other
> >modems.
> >
> >Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number) occasionally suffers
> >> from too low a signal and I must either wait until Charter's signal rises
> >> some, or remove the power splitter allowing my TV and cable modem each to
> >> get signal.  The cable modem is normally attached after two two-port
> >> splitters, and removing one is enough to get adequate signal level on "bad
> >> days at Charter".  Both spillters are pretty new and adequate.
> >>
> >Ok I'll give you a quick rundown on the spliiter level dropping thing.
> >Everytime you put a splitter in the way you will drop the signal and make it
> >more difficult for your modem to chat with comcast. So there is both an
> >upstream and downsteam going on.
> >
> >Having a homerun (Comcast connection -> two way split -> (Modem, TV's) ) is
> >the best to keep a great signal level with your modem.
> >
> >There is a chance that the signal hitting your house is not sufficient and
> >that is why you keep getting dropped. In that case it's a line tech that
> >will need to climb a pole and adjust some amps to fix your signal issue.
> >More signal could create noise and whanot, so maybe they are truely unable
> >to do anything about it. Or they just haven't checked lately. I'm not sure
> >how the cable companies do it around here.
> >
> >Questions:
> >>
> >> 1a) Charter says they can read what my modem "sees" as signal level.  That
> >> would account for all path losses (if true).  Can I read this somehow so I
> >> could tell whether the Charter signal is marginal?
> >>
> >
> >There ususally is a diagnostic page accessable using a stardard web browser
> >pointed to the modem's ip. I'd search the manufacturers website or the
> >almighty google to find that and the username password if there is any.
> >
> >Also keep in mind that this number is not always correct. I had to use a
> >meter to read the signal at the modem and on some cable modem brands it
> >would read high or low or just be plain wrong.
> >
> >1b) Is this old Linksys cable modem known to have problems?
> >>
> >
> >I do not know.  In the area where I used to troubleshoot modems we had some
> >brands that would work great for us, but terrible on the competitor. So it
> >may all depend on the company and thier setup.
> >
> >1c) Is the Motorola Surfboard SB5100 any better?  I have one of those also,
> >> but have never used this one.  The SB5120 is current for Comcast.
> >>
> >
> >I would try to find out what people are experiencing with comcast. A good
> >source would be their better technicians that do higher level
> >troubleshooting with cable modems.
> >
> >2) Roughly how big is a "cell" for cell phones?  Actually a hard question to
> >> ask because I'm curious about the "effective size" of a cell in the midst of
> >> a planned cell coverage, and the criteria of size is the approximate point
> >> where the phone makes a logical switch from one cell to the next as one
> >> signal fades but hasn't dropped out, but the next is stronger.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
> >>
> >> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and music or just
> >> keep web links for these things?  Seems like too much memory is needed.
> >>
> >> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial implementation (like a
> >> Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
> >>
> >> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters where there
> >> is no signal, can I play stored videos and music and use the GPS or some or
> >> all of that dead when out of range?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein
>
> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 19, Issue 42
> ******************************************
>


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 13:25:02 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:25:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Note taking software
Message-ID: <44C661FE.5020605@gmail.com>

I use a piece of Windows software, of which I have been trying to find a 
linux equivalent that is just as useful.  The software is called 
KeyNote, which can be found at the following link:
http://www.tranglos.com/free/keynote.html

This software does work in WINE, but I would rather find linux-native 
software.  I have tried TomBoy, and FreeMind, but neither work how I 
want them to for note taking.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!  - Joey


From hinman at visi.com  Tue Jul 25 14:24:35 2006
From: hinman at visi.com (hinman at visi.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:24:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Note taking software
In-Reply-To: <44C661FE.5020605@gmail.com>
References: <44C661FE.5020605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1153855475.44c66ff3724d1@my.visi.com>

Quoting Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>:

> I use a piece of Windows software, of which I have been trying to find a
> linux equivalent that is just as useful.  The software is called
> KeyNote, which can be found at the following link:
> http://www.tranglos.com/free/keynote.html
>
> This software does work in WINE, but I would rather find linux-native
> software.  I have tried TomBoy, and FreeMind, but neither work how I
> want them to for note taking.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!  - Joey


Leo is a nice editor for outlines if you like a more "Windows" look and feel. 
For a more "Unix" approach Emacs has some outline support with allout and
outline mode, and vim has support via vimoutliner.

http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryOutline
http://www.vimoutliner.org/index.php

--
Lee





From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 17:02:11 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:02:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] kernel docs
In-Reply-To: <b03472520607250740p200f56e9r7550e30ec74b2471@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b03472520607250740p200f56e9r7550e30ec74b2471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530607251502l36318d48mcec21daf8484da34@mail.gmail.com>

This has been my guide for a couple years.

http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/

-- 
Jeff Rasmussen
GPG public key 0x9686C12F
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 11:06:29 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] USB Tape drive compatibility
Message-ID: <579c6fd30607260906n35b20c6eu383a76ece7da6f5f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking at buying an HP USB 2.0 DAT tape drive. Has anyone used
one of these with Linux before? I would think it would work, but one
never knows.

Thanks,
Eric


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Jul 26 17:01:31 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:01:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How to properly set hardware compression on DLT 7000
Message-ID: <1153951291.6384.2.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I've got a DLT 7000 inside a tape library and I'm trying to figure out
what's the right density code to set with mt to get the hardware
compression turned on and thus be able to put something more than 35GB
on a tape.  With my old tape drive, outside a library, I could just put
the tape in and use the selector on the front to pick the compression
and format.  Inside the library that doesn't work so good, so I'm
assuming that mt setdensity <code> is the right answer.  Does anyone
know more about this?

Thanks.


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From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Wed Jul 26 19:40:41 2006
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:40:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Baseball lovers
Message-ID: <2006072700404149f0ea2082@mail.smumn.edu>

Good Evening:

I recently had the hook up for Twins tickets and unfortunately I had to let that go...

Today I got the hook up for four St. Paul tickets for Sat July 29. They play againts the rival - Sioux Falls Canaries.

I only have a set of four, I suppose I can give a pair of two to whom ever may be interested.

The website is www.saintsbaseball.com

The seats are in the seating area Row/Seat GA

First come first served,

David

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From austad at signal15.com  Thu Jul 27 17:49:08 2006
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:49:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] free bgp peers?
Message-ID: <25B03B5C-64A8-45BA-A0AA-4CBDBCA71144@signal15.com>

Does anyone know of a free service that I can set up a BGP session  
with?  I don't want to advertise anything, I just want to pull down a  
table and use it for some testing (prefix-list's, route-maps, etc)

~jay



From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 20:16:02 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:16:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEAPCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:22 PM
>
> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic
> range specs?
> Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number)

My cable modem is a v1.0 which is *only* DOCSIS 1.0 compatible, despite
what 1st level Linksys tech support staff may say.  That's not a problem
with Charter, however.

While the cable ISP can read the RF signal level reported as input by
the cable modem, a user cannot read this except on the new combined unit
that has cable modem, router, and wireless access point all in one box.

Linksys says all their cable modems have the same RF sensitivity and
dynamic range spec, so swapping cable modems is not a solution for my
signal level problems.  I must get Charter to come out and measure the
levels and determine whether their buried cable has died.  This is very
likely the problem since they have replaced cables for two neighbors
recently.



> 2) Size of a cell..

Nobody had a size estimate between cross-over points for a cell..


> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and
> music or just keep web links for these things?  Seems like
> too much memory is needed.
> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial
> implementation (like a Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters
> where there is no signal, can I play stored videos and music
> and use the GPS or some or all of that dead when out of range?

Verizon says these services are not fully resident in the phone.  The
GPS is useless away from a tower, and the music and video depend upon a
memory expansion that is not yet available from Motorola and would not
operate away from towers either.

I think that's a GROSS misrepresentation that should get high publicity
as fraudulent.


Chuck



From MKroska at kdv.com  Thu Jul 27 20:19:44 2006
From: MKroska at kdv.com (Mark J. Kroska)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:19:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEAPCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FC47A784572F8B41BB3CFD8E30CBAF98895A9B@kdv-exch.KDV.COM>

Did you know?
I have the same *un-numbered* version of Linksys and one day I stumbled on the diagnostic screen.  You can't change any settings, but you can view the current signal strength and speeds, etc.
On mine, it's this IP: 192.168.100.1
If you try to hit this with a web browser from the client side, the diag screen should show up, along with those numbers you're looking for!
Good luck,
Mark
 
Mark J. Kroska 
Director of Web Services 
KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. 
Direct      320-258-6412 
Helpdesk 320-258-6426
Main       320-251-7010 
Fax        320-251-1784
mkroska at kdv.com <mailto:mkroska at kdv.com>  
http://www.kdv.com <http://www.kdv.com>  
"NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." 

________________________________

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org on behalf of Chuck Cole
Sent: Thu 7/27/2006 8:16 PM
To: TCLUG
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update





> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:22 PM
>
> 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic
> range specs?
> Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number)

My cable modem is a v1.0 which is *only* DOCSIS 1.0 compatible, despite
what 1st level Linksys tech support staff may say.  That's not a problem
with Charter, however.

While the cable ISP can read the RF signal level reported as input by
the cable modem, a user cannot read this except on the new combined unit
that has cable modem, router, and wireless access point all in one box.

Linksys says all their cable modems have the same RF sensitivity and
dynamic range spec, so swapping cable modems is not a solution for my
signal level problems.  I must get Charter to come out and measure the
levels and determine whether their buried cable has died.  This is very
likely the problem since they have replaced cables for two neighbors
recently.



> 2) Size of a cell..

Nobody had a size estimate between cross-over points for a cell..


> 3) An ad for the Verizon Razr phone sez GPS, video, & music
> 3a) does it actually have storage for offline videos and
> music or just keep web links for these things?  Seems like
> too much memory is needed.
> 3b) Is it a full and independent GPS or a partial
> implementation (like a Winmodem) using some unique cell network data?
> ie, if I had such a phone and took it to the Boundary Waters
> where there is no signal, can I play stored videos and music
> and use the GPS or some or all of that dead when out of range?

Verizon says these services are not fully resident in the phone.  The
GPS is useless away from a tower, and the music and video depend upon a
memory expansion that is not yet available from Motorola and would not
operate away from towers either.

I think that's a GROSS misrepresentation that should get high publicity
as fraudulent.


Chuck


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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 20:42:36 2006
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:42:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEAPCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIFHMAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGEEAPCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <27e6356a0607271842t7eaab5by8d924f7565545f74@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/27/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Verizon says these services are not fully resident in the phone.  The
> GPS is useless away from a tower, and the music and video depend upon a
> memory expansion that is not yet available from Motorola and would not
> operate away from towers either.
>
> I think that's a GROSS misrepresentation that should get high publicity
> as fraudulent.

As far as I'm aware, it's way different from what the average person
thinks when they hear "GPS" but it's an industry standard term, and
has been for years.
For more info on cell phones and GPS:
http://www.travelbygps.com/articles/tracking.php

- Justin


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jul 27 21:17:36 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:17:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607280217.k6S2Hac05873@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Computer and IP Phones

This equipment is all configured as a phone system and was purchased new 05/06.
The computer has asterisk at home loaded and configured w/3 Extensions and 4 Analog phone lines

1 2-U Rack Mount Server $900.00
   Qty 1 - HD 160G|MX 7K 8M SATA 6L160M0
   Qty 1 - CPU INTEL|P4 2.4A 533M 478P/1MB
   Qty 1 - RACKMOUNT SERVER CASE
   Qty 1 - MB ASUS P4P800-VM 865G 478
   Qty 2 - MEMORY 512M|CORSAIR D333
   Qty 1 - LITE-ON CD DRIVE

1 Digium TDM400P + 4 FXO Interface Cards $375.00

3 SoundPoint IP501 Telephones - 2200-11531-001 $175.00/Ea
   Power Over Ethernet Cord
    

Seller Email address: jon at sominica dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 21:21:17 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:21:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update GPS
In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0607271842t7eaab5by8d924f7565545f74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMEAPCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Kremer
>
> On 7/27/06, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Verizon says these services are not fully resident in the
> phone.  The
> > GPS is useless away from a tower, and the music and video
> depend upon a
> > memory expansion that is not yet available from Motorola
> and would not
> > operate away from towers either.
> >
> > I think that's a GROSS misrepresentation that should get
> high publicity
> > as fraudulent.
>
> As far as I'm aware, it's way different from what the average person
> thinks when they hear "GPS" but it's an industry standard term, and
> has been for years.
> For more info on cell phones and GPS:
> http://www.travelbygps.com/articles/tracking.php
>
> - Justin

Good reference!  Bad scene!  I think "GPS" was a controlled term for a
while.  I still think that a GPS feature that doesn't do any true
self-contained GPS for the user is fradulent advertisingif it doesn't
say "cell enhanced GPS" or something like that to indicate that it won't
function in the boonies.

The facts that the phone cannot actually store music or videos without a
non-available memory expansion seems fradulent also.


I'll bet the integrated matter transporter, tricorder, and ray gun
features are similarly supported  :-)


Chuck



From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 21:29:25 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:29:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update
In-Reply-To: <FC47A784572F8B41BB3CFD8E30CBAF98895A9B@kdv-exch.KDV.COM>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEBACFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - updateThat works
like a charm!!!   Thanks a bunch!

None of the off-shore Linsksys technical support people could answer any
technical questions I had about stand-alone cable modems, and a
high-level factory-resident support person was unable to identify that
such a web screen existed when I asked directly about it!!  I spent many
hours on the phone trying to get real info.

Be forewarned that even high-level technical help from the Linksys
factory may be ignorant or incompetent these days while they were
excellent in the past.

Chuck


  -----Original Message-----
  From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark J. Kroska
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 PM
  To: TCLUG
  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update


  Did you know?
  I have the same *un-numbered* version of Linksys and one day I
stumbled on the diagnostic screen.  You can't change any settings, but
you can view the current signal strength and speeds, etc.
  On mine, it's this IP: 192.168.100.1
  If you try to hit this with a web browser from the client side, the
diag screen should show up, along with those numbers you're looking for!
  Good luck,
  Mark

  Mark J. Kroska
  Director of Web Services
  KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc.
  Direct      320-258-6412
  Helpdesk 320-258-6426
  Main       320-251-7010
  Fax        320-251-1784
  mkroska at kdv.com
  http://www.kdv.com
  "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the
Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is
confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,
Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error,
then delete it. Thank you."


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
  From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org on behalf of Chuck Cole
  Sent: Thu 7/27/2006 8:16 PM
  To: TCLUG
  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update





  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
  > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole
  > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:22 PM
  >
  > 1) do cable modems have very different sensitivity or dynamic
  > range specs?
  > Problem: My old linksys BEFCMU10 (no version number)

  My cable modem is a v1.0 which is *only* DOCSIS 1.0 compatible,
despite
  what 1st level Linksys tech support staff may say.  That's not a
problem
  with Charter, however.

  While the cable ISP can read the RF signal level reported as input by
  the cable modem, a user cannot read this except on the new combined
unit
  that has cable modem, router, and wireless access point all in one
box.


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From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 28 04:08:21 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:08:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEBACFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEBBCFAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - updateFYI, that
status page IP address is common to both my Linksys and my old Motorola
Surboard SB5100 !!  Might be standard!  Very useful!!

Chuck
  -----Original Message-----
  From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:29 PM
  To: Mark J. Kroska; TCLUG
  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions - update


  That works like a charm!!!   Thanks a bunch!

  None of the off-shore Linsksys technical support people could answer
any technical questions I had about stand-alone cable modems, and a
high-level factory-resident support person was unable to identify that
such a web screen existed when I asked directly about it!!  I spent many
hours on the phone trying to get real info.

  Be forewarned that even high-level technical help from the Linksys
factory may be ignorant or incompetent these days while they were
excellent in the past.

  Chuck


    -----Original Message-----
    From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark J. Kroska
    Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 PM
    To: TCLUG
    Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: cable modem and cell questions -
update


    Did you know?
    I have the same *un-numbered* version of Linksys and one day I
stumbled on the diagnostic screen.  You can't change any settings, but
you can view the current signal strength and speeds, etc.
    On mine, it's this IP: 192.168.100.1
    If you try to hit this with a web browser from the client side, the
diag screen should show up, along with those numbers you're looking for!
    Good luck,
    Mark

    Mark J. Kroska
    Director of Web Services
    KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc.
    Direct      320-258-6412
    Helpdesk 320-258-6426
    Main       320-251-7010
    Fax        320-251-1784
    mkroska at kdv.com
    http://www.kdv.com
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Fri Jul 28 07:22:07 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:22:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] free bgp peers?
In-Reply-To: <2375068.1154040801611.JavaMail.root@sniper11>
References: <2375068.1154040801611.JavaMail.root@sniper11>
Message-ID: <200607280722.08297.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Thursday 27 July 2006 17:49, Jay Austad wrote:
> Does anyone know of a free service that I can set up a BGP session
> with?  I don't want to advertise anything, I just want to pull down a
> table and use it for some testing (prefix-list's, route-maps, etc)
>

use telnet
http://www.traceroute.org/#Route Servers

This may help you?
I am not aware of any freely peerable routers on the internet.


From thurianknight at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 12:17:48 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:17:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
Message-ID: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

My wife and I are going to start building a house in the next month or so.
One of the things I intend to do is run network and speaker wiring through
the walls, from a central server closet to each room. What I have in mind is
to build a MythTV media server, with the ability to send audio and/or video
out through independent channels to each room. So if my wife is in her hobby
room, she can use her laptop to access the server, and tell it to start a
specific music playlist and send it to the hobby room's speakers. Meanwhile,
I can be sitting in my den with my own laptop, and tell the server to send
my own playlist to that room's speakers, or perhaps send a TV show or movie
to the TV and speakers in that room.

One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, except
maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the output.
I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for each
room, or what.

I've only just started doing some research on this, so I haven't really RTFM
yet. Just hoping to get a few pointers from those of you who have done the
same or similar.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Jul 30 12:00:15 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:00:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

> One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, except
> maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the output.
> I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for each
> room, or what.

I don't see how you could get away with it without a separate output 
channel for each room.

I built a media computer for nothing but audio a while ago. It only 
outputs to one room (living room, through the stereo). I set it up with a 
web interface so you could control it from any computer in the house, and 
let me tell you, that was EXTREMELY ANNOYING.

I installed MythTV and built an IR Receiver, and that works perfetly. 
Piece of cake to install and setup on debian (then again, I don't record 
TV on it). My only problem is that MythMusic's music selection interface 
kinda sucks - but since it's designed for a remote-control, it can't be as 
nice as a browser.


I think if you install several sound devices and video devices, you should 
be just fine. Run several iterations of mythtv, and have them output to 
/dev/dsp0 and dsp1, etc. Then run the frontend on whatever laptop for 
whatever room you're in.



-Yaron

--


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Sun Jul 30 14:55:09 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:55:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200607301455.09341.thecubic@thecubic.net>

> One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, except
> maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the output.
> I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for each
> room, or what.

You're going to need some kind of computer to get multiple independent mythtv 
outputs, there's no good/easy way around it.  You could install the frontend 
on a laptop/minicomputer and whereever you plug it in, it'll get access to 
the same backend data (video, etc) that the server has.  You'd plug the 
laptop/whatever into the video and audio in that room.  Go for something like 
a VIA epia (~300) if you want something small, cheapish, and quiet that can 
handle multimedia.  Any video you'd stream through your house wiring would 
have an extremely degraded signal, and the audio would lose some fidelity, 
and you'd have to string a big mess of wires.  

> I've only just started doing some research on this, so I haven't really
> RTFM yet. Just hoping to get a few pointers from those of you who have done
> the same or similar.

Definitely RTFM.  Mythtv is very complicated and specialized - it certainly 
finds a way to punish you if you don't understand everything the first time 
around.

-Dave


From robbyt at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 15:39:32 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:39:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <200607301455.09341.thecubic@thecubic.net>
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	<200607301455.09341.thecubic@thecubic.net>
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On 7/30/06, Dave Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net> wrote:
> > One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, except
> > maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the output.
> > I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for each
> > room, or what.
>
> You're going to need some kind of computer to get multiple independent mythtv
> outputs, there's no good/easy way around it.  You could install the frontend
> on a laptop/minicomputer and whereever you plug it in, it'll get access to
> the same backend data (video, etc) that the server has.  You'd plug the
> laptop/whatever into the video and audio in that room.  Go for something like
> a VIA epia (~300) if you want something small, cheapish, and quiet that can
> handle multimedia.  Any video you'd stream through your house wiring would
> have an extremely degraded signal, and the audio would lose some fidelity,
> and you'd have to string a big mess of wires.
>
> > I've only just started doing some research on this, so I haven't really
> > RTFM yet. Just hoping to get a few pointers from those of you who have done
> > the same or similar.
>
> Definitely RTFM.  Mythtv is very complicated and specialized - it certainly
> finds a way to punish you if you don't understand everything the first time
> around.
>
> -Dave
>

Just a note, all of the Delta PCI cards from Maudio work well w/ linux.
http://midiman.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces

They're better quality then any creative labs card you can buy. I've
used them in the past, but I'm too much of an audio snob for them
anymore :)


From robbyt at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 15:42:22 2006
From: robbyt at gmail.com (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:42:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <1f663090607301339t70086945n816cdb8702270862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/30/06, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/06, Dave Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net> wrote:
> > > One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, except
> > > maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the output.
> > > I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for each
> > > room, or what.
> >
> > You're going to need some kind of computer to get multiple independent mythtv
> > outputs, there's no good/easy way around it.  You could install the frontend
> > on a laptop/minicomputer and whereever you plug it in, it'll get access to
> > the same backend data (video, etc) that the server has.  You'd plug the
> > laptop/whatever into the video and audio in that room.  Go for something like
> > a VIA epia (~300) if you want something small, cheapish, and quiet that can
> > handle multimedia.  Any video you'd stream through your house wiring would
> > have an extremely degraded signal, and the audio would lose some fidelity,
> > and you'd have to string a big mess of wires.
> >
> > > I've only just started doing some research on this, so I haven't really
> > > RTFM yet. Just hoping to get a few pointers from those of you who have done
> > > the same or similar.
> >
> > Definitely RTFM.  Mythtv is very complicated and specialized - it certainly
> > finds a way to punish you if you don't understand everything the first time
> > around.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
>
> Just a note, all of the Delta PCI cards from Maudio work well w/ linux.
> http://midiman.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces
>
> They're better quality then any creative labs card you can buy. I've
> used them in the past, but I'm too much of an audio snob for them
> anymore :)
>

another thing i just though of- you're going to be much better of
running balanced lines to all of the remote rooms. (that is + - and
ground) You don't have to use the ground if you don't want to. if you
ever want to run unamplified audio to any of the rooms, you're going
to be much better off with balanced vs. unbalanced lines.


From thurianknight at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 15:53:04 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <1f663090607301342h1acafd2t9fd6d333576d6295@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/30/06, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at gmail.com> wrote:

> another thing i just though of- you're going to be much better of
> running balanced lines to all of the remote rooms. (that is + - and
> ground) You don't have to use the ground if you don't want to. if you
> ever want to run unamplified audio to any of the rooms, you're going
> to be much better off with balanced vs. unbalanced lines.


I'm planning to run amplified sound to the speakers. Amps in the server
closet, a few feet from the server. Dedicated electrical circuit for that
closet. I'm running all my own wiring, high and low voltage. Just gotta have
it inspected when done.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From thurianknight at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 15:54:29 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:54:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/30/06, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:
>
> > One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room,
> except
> > maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the
> output.
> > I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video cards for
> each
> > room, or what.
>
> I don't see how you could get away with it without a separate output
> channel for each room.


That's pretty much what I figured. Unless there is some sort of IP-based
appliance out there, that can take A/V input and translate it to S-video or
analog audio (or whatever) output. Now THAT would be cool.

I think if you install several sound devices and video devices, you should
> be just fine. Run several iterations of mythtv, and have them output to
> /dev/dsp0 and dsp1, etc. Then run the frontend on whatever laptop for
> whatever room you're in.


I hadn't thought of that. Each instance of myth would then be dedicated to
its own video/audio output hardware? I suppose then I could setup a web
interface with hostnames based on the rooms. We could have kitchen.house.org,
hobby.house.org, den.house.org, etc. Each hostname would be linked to its
own instance of mythtv.

It would be nice if we could have a single server instance that would have
different output channels. That way you just access myth.house.org, and
after selecting the type of output, you also select a channel/room to send
it to.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jul 30 19:32:57 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:32:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607310032.k6V0WvI06928@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Misc equipment

This is stuff that may end up going to recycling, but I'd rather see it used than pay to recycle it.

Nothing has been tested, so caveat emptor.

Scanners:
  HP Scanjet 4c,
  HP Scanjet 6100c,
  HP Scanjet IIcx,
  Umax Astra 1200s,
  Epson ES 1200c

Printers:
  Apple Color Stylewriter 2500,
  Citoh CI-4,
  Compaq IJ750 (no power supply),
  Lexmark Z31 (no power supply)

Keyboards:
  8 classic heavy IBM ps2's (part no. 
    1397440, model M with detachable 
    cord),
  a couple other decent looking ps2's,
  lots of cruddy ones

Monitors:
  5 assorted 17 inch crt's (one flat   
    screen),
  lots of old 14/15 inch crt's

Most of this is in a storage unit and is going to recycling on Monday. Some of the better stuff I'll be moving to a friend's garage with the hope that I can give it away later.


Seller Email address: strayf at freeshell dot org

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Jul 30 20:38:26 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:38:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  MythTV / home media server setup questions
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I'm probably missing some info here because I just skimmed the thread, but 
I would think that a good plan would be to have a central server that 
smaller computers can read files from.  I can't envision one server 
sending out many video and audio outputs simultaneously, but I can see it 
serving many files at once to smaller machines that then display the files 
on their default audio and video outputs.

I ripped all my CDs to MP3 and put them on one machine, then I put a small 
computer on my stereo system, and I have several other computers.  When I 
want to play a song, I can play it from where I am (computer or stereo) by 
grabbing the file from the server.  I can also connect remotely from out 
of town and download MP3s.  A couple of weeks ago I was out of town with a 
rental car.  I had forgotten to bring some CDs, so from the hotel room, I 
downloaded some of my songs, burned a CD and listened to it in the car the 
next day.

Mike


From thurianknight at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 06:47:14 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:47:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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On 7/30/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm probably missing some info here because I just skimmed the thread, but
> I would think that a good plan would be to have a central server that
> smaller computers can read files from.  I can't envision one server
> sending out many video and audio outputs simultaneously, but I can see it
> serving many files at once to smaller machines that then display the files
> on their default audio and video outputs.
>
> I ripped all my CDs to MP3 and put them on one machine, then I put a small
> computer on my stereo system, and I have several other computers.  When I
> want to play a song, I can play it from where I am (computer or stereo) by
> grabbing the file from the server.  I can also connect remotely from out
> of town and download MP3s.  A couple of weeks ago I was out of town with a
> rental car.  I had forgotten to bring some CDs, so from the hotel room, I
> downloaded some of my songs, burned a CD and listened to it in the car the
> next day.
>
> Mike
>

One of my design goals is to avoid having a computer in every room where I
want to listen to music or watch video. I would much rather run A/V cables
from a central server out to various wall jacks, where I can simply plug in
speakers and/or a TV.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 10:03:50 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

> One of my design goals is to avoid having a computer in every room where 
> I want to listen to music or watch video. I would much rather run A/V 
> cables from a central server out to various wall jacks, where I can 
> simply plug in speakers and/or a TV.

OK, but you'll want to control the server remotely to make it play 
something in your room.  You could use a laptop, wifi and VNC, say.  And 
then you have to run multiple audio cards and multiple video cards on the 
one server machine.  It seems like that would be tricky.

Another possibility is to do something with these devices:

http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/jackpc.asp

Mike


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul 31 10:26:35 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:
> One of my design goals is to avoid having a computer in every room where 
> I want to listen to music or watch video. I would much rather run A/V 
> cables from a central server out to various wall jacks, where I can 
> simply plug in speakers and/or a TV.

If you can cram enough video and sound cards into a system, that should be 
possible.. run one mythfrontend for each set, and also have an IR receiver 
running off USB (long extension cords? Need some active repeaters) for 
each TV.. then you get full control, and no computer noise.

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
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From thurianknight at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 10:40:49 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:40:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607310957300.23164@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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On 7/31/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:
>
> > One of my design goals is to avoid having a computer in every room where
> > I want to listen to music or watch video. I would much rather run A/V
> > cables from a central server out to various wall jacks, where I can
> > simply plug in speakers and/or a TV.
>
> OK, but you'll want to control the server remotely to make it play
> something in your room.  You could use a laptop, wifi and VNC, say.  And
> then you have to run multiple audio cards and multiple video cards on the
> one server machine.  It seems like that would be tricky.


Yeah, it might be a challenge. I just don't want to clutter up every room in
the house with a computer. As long as my wife and I can carry our wireless
laptops around, we can access the server via web interface or VNC or
whatever.


Another possibility is to do something with these devices:
>
> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/jackpc.asp


OK those are interesting... for other applications. Heck, I could use those
at my company where we currently have thin clients. Unfortunately they still
require keyboard/monitor/mouse, which is what we are trying to avoid at my
house.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Jul 31 10:43:19 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:43:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
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Now listed as free.

On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 14:57 -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
> 
> Category: Computer
> 
> Type of Ad: For Sale
> 
> Subject: Partial PII system
> 
> Case without powersupply
> PII motherboard and processor
> 2 sticks of RAM - unsure of size
> Extra PII-233 processor
> 
> $5 OBO
> 
> 
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> 
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
> 
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Jul 31 10:45:46 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:45:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <200607231935.k6NJZHd17918@crusader.real-time.com>
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Now listed as free.

On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 14:35 -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
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> 
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> 
> Type of Ad: For Sale
> 
> Subject: Pentium 166 forsale
> 
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Mon Jul 31 10:52:53 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:52:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607310840s352e9bd9x3ecdb793cd3eeeb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>	<7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>	<7bdea6e30607301354r686fb3cfu45e11252768cbf1c@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<7bdea6e30607310447y403f12f6qb191e19382e9f825@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607310957300.23164@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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Dave Sherman wrote:

> Unfortunately they still require keyboard/monitor/mouse, which is
> what we are trying to avoid at my house.

SSH and freeNX to the rescue. :)

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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 11:01:27 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:01:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607310840s352e9bd9x3ecdb793cd3eeeb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>
	<7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30607301354r686fb3cfu45e11252768cbf1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310447y403f12f6qb191e19382e9f825@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607310957300.23164@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310840s352e9bd9x3ecdb793cd3eeeb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311059460.791@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

>> Another possibility is to do something with these devices:
>> 
>> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/jackpc.asp
>
>
> OK those are interesting... for other applications. Heck, I could use 
> those at my company where we currently have thin clients. Unfortunately 
> they still require keyboard/monitor/mouse, which is what we are trying 
> to avoid at my house.


But what if you use VNC?  Maybe they can boot without mouse and monitor 
attached and be controlled remotely via VNC.

Mike


From thurianknight at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 11:04:26 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:04:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311059460.791@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>
	<7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30607301354r686fb3cfu45e11252768cbf1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310447y403f12f6qb191e19382e9f825@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607310957300.23164@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310840s352e9bd9x3ecdb793cd3eeeb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311059460.791@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <7bdea6e30607310904k11c357adl9473d55892034ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/31/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:
>
> >> Another possibility is to do something with these devices:
> >>
> >> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/jackpc.asp
> >
> >
> > OK those are interesting... for other applications. Heck, I could use
> > those at my company where we currently have thin clients. Unfortunately
> > they still require keyboard/monitor/mouse, which is what we are trying
> > to avoid at my house.
>
>
> But what if you use VNC?  Maybe they can boot without mouse and monitor
> attached and be controlled remotely via VNC.



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 11:23:02 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607310904k11c357adl9473d55892034ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>
	<7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30607301354r686fb3cfu45e11252768cbf1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310447y403f12f6qb191e19382e9f825@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607310957300.23164@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310840s352e9bd9x3ecdb793cd3eeeb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311059460.791@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310904k11c357adl9473d55892034ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311121210.6600@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

>> But what if you use VNC?  Maybe they can boot without mouse and monitor 
>> attached and be controlled remotely via VNC.
>
> From what I saw, they are basic thin clients with a built-in Citrix 
> client, RDP client, and a web browser. They don't appear to provide any 
> remote access functions, and tey need some sort of terminal server to be 
> useful.

Thanks for filling me in.  I see what you mean.

If you get your system working the way you want it to work, I hope you'll 
tell us about it.  It sounds great.

Mike


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 31 12:49:27 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:49:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200607311749.k6VHnRG25313@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Sun Monitors  GDM5410

I have 2 Sun 21" GDM-5410 monitors for sale - $50 each. I have a total of 4, from which you can choose (I need to keep at least 2).

Each monitor supports dual input, although I do not have the Sun-PC adapter. In any case you can use a regular VGA cable.

These are specs I found doing a search for GDM-5410. 
-Dot Pitch .24 mm
-Viewable Size: 19.8"
-HSCAN: 30-121Khz
-VSCAN: 48-160Hz
-Resolution: 1880x1400 85Hz,2048x1536 max
-Platforms: Mac and PC
-Signal Input: 1st VGA; 2nd DB13W3
-Power Supply: 100-260VAC
-Dimensions w x h x d: 19.72 in x 19.60 in x 19.60 in
-Weight 71.65 lbs 

If interested please e-mail me
swaite at sbn-services.com

Seller Email address: swaite at sbn-services dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From swaite at sbn-services.com  Mon Jul 31 12:54:40 2006
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:54:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Yum causes reboot..
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200607311254.AA54400037@sbn-services.com>

Does this seem odd, or has this happened to anyone. I go to do a Yum update (Suse 10) and the system reboots on an old AMD K2-450. Now
at first I would have assumed that the system was being overworkded (?), but yet I have installed a few packages that required
compiling which were much more CPU intensive for a longer time than the Yum update is running.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but I can not seem to figure out why Yum would cause a reboot of all things. 


Sean Waite





From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul 31 12:56:41 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:56:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0607311025460.14948@iron.msp.technicality.org>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0607301153240.27932@Rooster>
	<7bdea6e30607301117s63a8c401y532c7da41016a883@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30607301354r686fb3cfu45e11252768cbf1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607302033220.9459@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<7bdea6e30607310447y403f12f6qb191e19382e9f825@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0607311025460.14948@iron.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0607311255550.14960@iron.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Nate Carlson wrote:
> If you can cram enough video and sound cards into a system, that should 
> be possible.. run one mythfrontend for each set, and also have an IR 
> receiver running off USB (long extension cords? Need some active 
> repeaters) for each TV.. then you get full control, and no computer 
> noise.

On a side note, if you ever want to do HDTV, you'll want a dedicated PC 
for each HDTV. At least with current hardware, you're not going to easily 
play two HDTV streams on a single system.

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Mon Jul 31 14:04:25 2006
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:04:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>

Dave Sherman wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> <snip>
> 
> One of my design goals is to NOT require a computer in every room, 
> except maybe a laptop to access the server and tell it where to send the 
> output. I'm not sure if we need to install separate sound and video 
> cards for each room, or what.
> 
> I've only just started doing some research on this, so I haven't really 
> RTFM yet. Just hoping to get a few pointers from those of you who have 
> done the same or similar.
> 
> -- 
> Dave Sherman
> MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
> Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.

I'm not sure how you could accomplish this without terminals for the 
TVs.  I'm slowly planing the same thing, but I plan on a pc on each TV 
monitor.  One of the genius points of MythTV is you can have your one 
central server, and a ton of frontends.

I've looked around a lot for cheap and small PCs that would work for a 
client, and I came up with this:

http://www.logisysus.com/
C-BOX 134 2" smallest slim PC, VIA 1GHZ/600MHZ fanless CPU
http://logisysus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_57&products_id=47

This unit is completely fanless and quiet, and just a little bigger than 
a standard CD-ROM.  It's also only about $370 for their base model.  I 
plan on loading gentoo and MythTV on these as clients.  I may even go 
for mounting the hard drive as read-only, and loading the root from an 
image to ram.

I'm not sure why you would chose not to put a PC in each room, but if 
it's for noise/power reasons, these are low noise and low power.  Plus 
all you need to run is a Cat5 cable.

Just some FYI.
Chris



From auditodd at comcast.net  Mon Jul 31 14:16:50 2006
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:16:50 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Opinions?
Message-ID: <073120061916.23206.44CE572200021EEC00005AA622007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

Has anyone purchased/used one of the "StarTech.com" computer power supplies?

CompUSA and some other retailers are selling them and I would like to know if they are worth the money?

I can't seem to find any decent reviews of this manufacturer.

--
----
------
Todd Young


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:21:21 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311519170.25906@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Chris Frederick wrote:

> I'm not sure how you could accomplish this without terminals for the 
> TVs.  I'm slowly planing the same thing, but I plan on a pc on each TV 
> monitor.  One of the genius points of MythTV is you can have your one 
> central server, and a ton of frontends.
>
> I've looked around a lot for cheap and small PCs that would work for a 
> client, and I came up with this:
>
> http://www.logisysus.com/
> C-BOX 134 2" smallest slim PC, VIA 1GHZ/600MHZ fanless CPU
> http://logisysus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_57&products_id=47

Will it give good quality video out?  HDTV?

It would be nice to have a DVD player built into it.

Maybe you can boot from flash memory?

Mike


From nate at ima.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:34:06 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:34:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Yum causes reboot..
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200607311254.AA54400037@sbn-services.com>
References: <WorldClient-F200607311254.AA54400037@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <44CE693E.9050603@ima.umn.edu>

News to me. I've never seen Yum do that on my CentOS machines. Heck,
I've never seen any application reboot a linux machine by its self..


Sean Waite wrote:

>Does this seem odd, or has this happened to anyone. I go to do a Yum update (Suse 10) and the system reboots on an old AMD K2-450. Now
>at first I would have assumed that the system was being overworkded (?), but yet I have installed a few packages that required
>compiling which were much more CPU intensive for a longer time than the Yum update is running.
>
>Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but I can not seem to figure out why Yum would cause a reboot of all things. 
>
>
>Sean Waite
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>


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From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Mon Jul 31 16:14:47 2006
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:14:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311519170.25906@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311519170.25906@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <44CE72C7.2@cdf123.net>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Chris Frederick wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure how you could accomplish this without terminals for the 
>> TVs.  I'm slowly planing the same thing, but I plan on a pc on each TV 
>> monitor.  One of the genius points of MythTV is you can have your one 
>> central server, and a ton of frontends.
>>
>> I've looked around a lot for cheap and small PCs that would work for a 
>> client, and I came up with this:
>>
>> http://www.logisysus.com/
>> C-BOX 134 2" smallest slim PC, VIA 1GHZ/600MHZ fanless CPU
>> http://logisysus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_57&products_id=47
> 
> Will it give good quality video out?  HDTV?
> 
> It would be nice to have a DVD player built into it.
> 
> Maybe you can boot from flash memory?
> 
> Mike
> 

If you visit the second link, it will show the specs you can modify on it.

 > Will it give good quality video out?  HDTV?

"VIA CastleRock AGP graphics with MPEG-2 decoder, S-Video and TV-Out"
Doesn't look like HDTV ready, but S-Video has never failed me yet.

 > It would be nice to have a DVD player built into it.

It can have a DVD-ROM installed (the slim laptop kind) and MythTV has 
optical disk support (VCD, SVCD, DVD, etc...) so, this would work just 
like a DVD player if you set it up right.

 > Maybe you can boot from flash memory?

It has options for Solid-state IDE Flash drives, but they're kinda spendy:

1GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$109.00)
2GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$179.00)
4GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$289.00)

For those prices I can live with the hard drive noise, that and most 
laptop sized hard drives don't make a lot of noise anyway, not enough 
that I would expect to hear it across a room anyway.

Other options I like are the wireless keyboards (RF and IR options):
Mini RF 2.4GHZ Wireless LG20 with trackball and joystick.(+$59.00)
Mini LG-573 IR Keyboard With Built-In Track Ball (Black(+$69.00)

And of course the chance to buy it without an OS installed.  ;)

Chris



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon Jul 31 16:21:35 2006
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:21:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <44CE72C7.2@cdf123.net>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311519170.25906@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44CE72C7.2@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <1154380895.11894.267316247@webmail.messagingengine.com>



 >> Will it give good quality video out?  HDTV?

>"VIA CastleRock AGP graphics with MPEG-2 decoder, S-Video and TV-Out"
>Doesn't look like HDTV ready, but S-Video has never failed me yet.

S-Video may be all-right for standard or large television sets but with
the massive display capabilities of a projector or larger HDTV displays,
you can really tell the difference in color and resolution between
S-Video and HDTV.


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 31 16:22:58 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:22:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
In-Reply-To: <44CE72C7.2@cdf123.net>
References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<44CE5439.2090504@cdf123.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311519170.25906@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<44CE72C7.2@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607311621520.11679@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Chris Frederick wrote:

>> Maybe you can boot from flash memory?
>
> It has options for Solid-state IDE Flash drives, but they're kinda 
> spendy:
>
> 1GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$109.00)
> 2GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$179.00)
> 4GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$289.00)
>
> For those prices I can live with the hard drive noise...

No kidding.  That is a lot of cash.  You can get a lot of HDD volume for 
that kind of money these days.

Mike


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Jul 31 16:37:25 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:37:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
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References: <7bdea6e30607301017r304ca0b0vc584230a44b5a3cf@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:14:47PM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote:
>  > Maybe you can boot from flash memory?
> 
> It has options for Solid-state IDE Flash drives, but they're kinda spendy:
> 
> 1GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$109.00)
> 2GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$179.00)
> 4GB Solid state IDE flash Hard drive(+$289.00)
> 
> For those prices I can live with the hard drive noise, that and most 
> laptop sized hard drives don't make a lot of noise anyway, not enough 
> that I would expect to hear it across a room anyway.

You can get a CF-to-IDE adapter for ~20 and a 2 GB CF card for $50.

   http://techbargains.com/u.cfm?afsrc=1&id=67222&u=1

florin

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From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul 31 17:09:07 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:09:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV / home media server setup questions
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Chris Frederick wrote:
> It has options for Solid-state IDE Flash drives, but they're kinda spendy:
> <..>
> For those prices I can live with the hard drive noise, that and most 
> laptop sized hard drives don't make a lot of noise anyway, not enough 
> that I would expect to hear it across a room anyway.

NETBOOT!

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Jul 31 19:41:32 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:41:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Yum causes reboot..
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On Monday 31 July 2006 12:54, Sean Waite wrote:
> Does this seem odd, or has this happened to anyone. I go to do a Yum update
> (Suse 10) and the system reboots on an old AMD K2-450. Now at first I would
> have assumed that the system was being overworkded (?), but yet I have
> installed a few packages that required compiling which were much more CPU
> intensive for a longer time than the Yum update is running.
>
> Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but I can not seem to figure out
> why Yum would cause a reboot of all things.
>
>
> Sean Waite
>

Do you not use yast? What version of SuSE 10? I have found some bad 
instabilities in 10.1 and 10.0 is a .0 release.

Also you should check the log files for yum (if there are any) and others 
like /var/log/messages and what not. You could also dump all logging to a 
separate file for troubleshooting then try and reproduce the scenario.


From markmit at mn.rr.com  Mon Jul 31 20:52:06 2006
From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:52:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] home-wired phone lines
Message-ID: <200607312052.06138.markmit@mn.rr.com>

My DSL modem is supposed to be arriving in the next day or two (goodbye 
roadrunner, hello iphouse!) and I really doubt the existing phone lines are 
modern enough to handle DSL.  The house is nearly 100 years old and the phone 
lines are cloth-wrapped.

So, could any of you kind folks point me to an FM for me to R so I can get DSL 
running ASAP on at least one jack?  I only _need_ 3 extensions (1 computer, 2 
phone) wired.

Also, please be aware that I am not a networking geek.

Any help appreciated.

Mark


From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 31 21:11:21 2006
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:11:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] home-wired phone lines
In-Reply-To: <200607312052.06138.markmit@mn.rr.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Mitchell
>
>
> My DSL modem is supposed to be arriving in the next day or
> two (goodbye
> roadrunner, hello iphouse!) and I really doubt the existing
> phone lines are
> modern enough to handle DSL.  The house is nearly 100 years
> old and the phone
> lines are cloth-wrapped.
>
> So, could any of you kind folks point me to an FM for me to R
> so I can get DSL
> running ASAP on at least one jack?  I only _need_ 3
> extensions (1 computer, 2
> phone) wired.
>
> Also, please be aware that I am not a networking geek.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Mark


You can split the DSL off the phone lines as the line enters the house
and keep the lines running plain old phone signals.  That means the DSL
modem connects first, then the "DSL filter" connects the rest of the
house.  Thus, you could locate the DSL modem where the line first
enters, and run CAT5 to wherever your router wants to be.  OR..  Put the
DSL modem and a wireless router at the entry location and use wireless
for computers in the house and skip running the CAT5.

The old wires may be good enough for DSL, however.  The spec hasn't
changed from the nominal of twisted pair at 600 ohms characteristic
impedance.  Note that you can get by without re-wiring, so try it first
and then decide.


Chuck



From thurianknight at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 21:26:56 2006
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:26:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] home-wired phone lines
In-Reply-To: <200607312052.06138.markmit@mn.rr.com>
References: <200607312052.06138.markmit@mn.rr.com>
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On 7/31/06, Mark Mitchell <markmit at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>
> My DSL modem is supposed to be arriving in the next day or two (goodbye
> roadrunner, hello iphouse!) and I really doubt the existing phone lines
> are
> modern enough to handle DSL.  The house is nearly 100 years old and the
> phone
> lines are cloth-wrapped.
>

My house is 90 years old this year, and we had no problems at all with DSL.
I would say, give it a try before you run any new wire.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
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From jack at jacku.com  Mon Jul 31 22:54:01 2006
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:54:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Yum causes reboot..
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On Monday 31 July 2006 12:54 pm, Sean Waite wrote:
> Does this seem odd, or has this happened to anyone. I go to do a Yum update
> (Suse 10) and the system reboots on an old AMD K2-450. Now at first I would
> have assumed that the system was being overworkded (?), but yet I have
> installed a few packages that required compiling which were much more CPU
> intensive for a longer time than the Yum update is running.
>
> Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but I can not seem to figure out
> why Yum would cause a reboot of all things.
>
>
> Sean Waite

Its possible your underlying version of RPM is faulty. If you're using 10.1 
then you'll want to make sure you've got the updates for Zenworks and YaST. 
(Of course if you are using the commercial version that may not be needed.)  
When I upgraded it took two tries because I needed to be wired into the 
network to be able to configure the online updater and grab the updates. 

Anyway you might try running the Online update from YaST and see if that 
corrects anything.

-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com