Where I used to work we had house air reduced to 28psi as that is the maximum pressure that OSHA allows for hand held use. We never had a problem with static but were careful not to touch electronic components with the nozzle. In the summertime it is necessary to drain tank occasionally as water accumulates in bottom of tank and will spray out if allowed to get too full.... Jer On 7/6/06, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Kraig Jones) > 2. Re: XV replacement (Steve Siegfried) > 3. Rational ClearCase (jason reynolds) > 4. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Chuck Cole) > 5. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Dan Armbrust) > 6. Re: XV replacement (Nate Straz) > 7. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Chuck Cole) > 8. Re: OT: Can-o-air alternatives? (Andrew Zbikowski) > 9. Re: XV replacement (Mike Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:18:49 -0500 > From: Kraig Jones <jkjones at tcq.net> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <44AD29D9.3030905 at tcq.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dana Millaway wrote: > > > Is there a static charge issue with these bigger compressors and > > vacuums? As a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but > > I am not willing to tempt fate on some things. > > > > Dana M. > > District Technology Coordinator > > > > > The moving air from any of these things can generate static, and the > canned air wouldn't be any better or worse than a compressor. But > everybody uses them without serious problems, as far as I know. Fans > and heat sinks should be OK, and go easy on memory modules. > > 3M used to have an ionizing air nozzle for use on electronics, but they > were all recalled because of the radioactive ion source. > > Kraig > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (CDT) > From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <200607061527.k66FRHQ05669 at zjod.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Nate Sanders shouted into the void: > > > > I've looked around Google and every where else and I really don't think > > there is an answer to this, but I thought I would ask anyways. Has > > anyone found a good full functional replacement for XV as a photo > > viewer/editor? From what I can tell the only options consist of multiple > > applications, primarily EE and Gimp. EE is too basic and Gimp is a bit > > too much. XV was so simple and minimal yet powerful. > > > > Any suggestions on where to turn? > > John Bradley is the original author of XV. He's got a web-site at > http://www.trilon.com/xv, which include a downloadable tar.gz file > for xv-3.10a (the latest version I've been able to find). The > downloads page is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/downloads.html and > includes patches for various things at the bottom. > > I grabbed a copy, built & installed it on FC5... it's the same > XV from previous releases. > > BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common > open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license, > but free for "personal use." Restrictions exist, see the license in > xv-3.10a/README after you unpack the tar.gz file for further info. > > Hope this helps'idly, > > -S > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:41:59 -0500 > From: "jason reynolds" <jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com> > Subject: [tclug-list] Rational ClearCase > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > <6eb23c4e0607060841q4c98bceclc077c95786be5ff0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Does anyone have experiences to share about IBM Rational ClearCase software. > Good, Bad and Ugly? I have heard of some stability issues from a friend who > has used this software before. > > Jason > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060706/bdce95c3/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:47:16 -0500 > From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives? > To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIENICEAA.cncole at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of dalan at visi.com > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:59 AM > > > > The rubber or plastic hose used to connect to the compressor > > should elimitate > > any static. The only other issue you may have is water in the air. > > > Air leaving the nozzle can become charged... same principles as the Van > de Graaff generator (aka Vandegraf..) > > The hose may help if it is somewhat conductive, but not otherwise. An > air filter is usually made to trap the water also. > > I think it's possible to suppress the static generation, but I haven't > looked for the right stuff to do it. Maybe Micro Center sells a kit > (with nozzle) for use with compressors.. Anybody know where to find > good data on this? > > Chuck > > > > Quoting Dana Millaway <dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us>: > > > > > Is there a static charge issue with these bigger > > compressors and vacuums? As > > > a K-12 school, we are always cutting corners on costs but I > > am not willing to > > > tempt fate on some things. > > > > > > Dana M. > > > District Technology Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>: > > > > > > > Actually I do use a small hobby air compressor. I even > > use it when cleaning > > > > to blow dust off of the top of shelves. The PSI is not that > > > > strong compared to the air cans though. But it is enough > > to get the dust > > > > moving, so I use a vacuum as well to suck up all the dust > > > > inside the computers. As such I have not purchased a can > > of air in over 4 > > > > years. Actually that one at doityourself is a good bargain at > > > > that price. My office is located in a very old dusty > > building and as such I > > > > have to clean alot, so for me this was a real savings. You > > > > will need to get some sort of nozzle as the air > > compressor only comes with > > > > just the cable. I use an old cheap airbrush that I picked up > > > > for $10 at a hobby store in Hopkins. They also sell an > > attachment that I > > > can > > > > fill up my tires as well. > > > > > > > > Sean Waite > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:56:15 -0500 > From: Dan Armbrust <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives? > To: cncole at earthlink.net > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <44AD329F.8040103 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air > compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at > first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue. > > Its amazing how much dust you can dislodge from the insides of a power > supply with high pressure and large volumes of air. > > If you don't have an air compressor, I would go with the small air tank > that you could fill at gas stations. Or, if you are really tricky, you > can refill the compressed air cans with a good rubber tipped nozzle from > a air compressor. > > > -- > **************************** > Daniel Armbrust > Biomedical Informatics > Mayo Clinic Rochester > daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu > http://informatics.mayo.edu/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:00:12 -0500 > From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20060706160012.GA18175 at refried.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common > > open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license, > > but free for "personal use." > > Shareware is far from odd-ball. It wasn't standardized like the > licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about > everything was shareware. You could try out a piece of software and if > you liked it, you'd buy it. Now that's morphed into the open-source > version and the commercial version. > > Nate > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:33:36 -0500 > From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives? > To: "Dan Armbrust" <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEEFHKAA.cncole at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Armbrust [mailto:daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:56 AM > > > > I've used high pressure air (150 - 200 psi) directly from an air > > compressor quite a bit... I did so reluctantly and on old hardware at > > first, (I was worried about static too) - but I've never had an issue. > > > I've used high pressure air too and without an obvious problem so far. > However, static generation can occur this way, and it can be fatal as > well as just damaging to electronic chips. In FL, I could not get > static generators to run at all in a lab with natural humid air, but up > here I can kill an IC just from walking across the room and touching > something. I'd like to get some real data about this form of static > generation and its suppression and then decide whether to ignore it. > Static damage is often a subtle internal "fracture" in a chip that > eventually makes something flakey and/or dead. The less common > catastrophic forms of damage are easier to discover by test. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:48:25 -0500 > From: "Andrew Zbikowski" <andyzib at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Can-o-air alternatives? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > <e3a54b020607060948p4fe637d5jd427b820f5c69741 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > At work we went with one of the portable air tanks that we fill off > the buildings compressed air supply (fed by mutiple compressors). > > The tank, fittings, and hose were fairly cheap through Grainger, and > we haven't had to get a can of air since so it was a good investment. > > If you already have a compressor it's not a bad way to go. > > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > 0 rows returned > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:52:46 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] XV replacement > To: Nate Straz <nate at refried.org> > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0607061151430.4993 at taxa.epi.umn.edu> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:27:17AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > >> BTW: For whatever reason, Bradley isn't using one of the common > >> open-source licenses, instead it's an odd-ball "shareware" license, > >> but free for "personal use." > > > > Shareware is far from odd-ball. It wasn't standardized like the > > licenses are today, but back in the BBS days (pre-1994) just about > > everything was shareware. You could try out a piece of software and if > > you liked it, you'd buy it. Now that's morphed into the open-source > > version and the commercial version. > > Maybe it isn't a coincidence that xv hasn't changed since 1994: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 > ***************************************** >