From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon May 1 09:11:28 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:11:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79430445E1@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I concur. I just got back into nano processors (my name for micro controllers) recently and am impressed with how easy they are to program and use nowadays. I purchased the STK-500 starter kit from Digikey (http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=33567&Row=301883&Site=US) and have had lots of fun with several projects now. The Atmel's IDE integrates well with the GNU C compiler, which gives you a good bootstrap into many of the CPUs. There is also a very good community site, http://www.avrfreaks.net. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Karl Bongers Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:16 PM To: Clayton Smith Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: suggestions on exploring PIC/micochips/etc Some resources: Demo kits from manufacturers: search for PIC kit|demo|programming board, search manufacturers site, search ebay for PIC kits or PIC programmers. You can find low price demo boards that are for programming/introduction complete with compilers/tools on cdrom. $25 to $50. http://www.microchipdirect.com/ProductSearch.aspx?Keywords=DV164101 AVR chips are nice as well, there is a GCC port for these. http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools.asp?family_id=607#808 Go to the library for electronics books and get a breadboard, see if you can make a LED light up. Today it is very easy/inexpensive to get into microcontroller programming with the flash parts. You can program these with a few wires coming off the LPT port, but you will be better off buying a programming kit for starters. Karl. On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:27:36PM -0500, Clayton Smith wrote: > recently I have picked up a slight interest in looking into > programming for hardware or at least the concept of being able to > program a USB/LCD device etc... I hate it when people ask these kinds > of questions ("hey I'm a noob at $x what should I do, what books > should I read blahblah") but I'm asking anyway since I feel at a loss > at where to start. > A few things I think would find most appealing to hear about: > - a college or local place that offers beginners with hands on > learning about programming a microchip (or maybe just basic > electronics) -- or maybe you know a place where I can simply volunteer > and get some hands on > - a place that offers an assembly class > - a good assembly book (I'm going through one right now actually but > I'm open to more, also, has anyone read Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating > Systems Design & Implementation, what did you think of it?) > > maybe you are wondering why I have this interest.. well, the past week > or two I've been reading various books which I suppose leave me a > little inspired.. they are as follows: > Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software > Difference Engine: Charles Babbage And The Quest To Build The First Computer > Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software > Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary > Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution > > then some more technical books mixed in that I can have difficulty > pushing through due to them addressing details before introducing the > concept or explaining it via the relationships between ideas (etc) > > Clayton > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Mon May 1 17:41:34 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:41:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT _ baseball_for_free Message-ID: <2006050122413432c3775014@mail.smumn.edu> I have four Twins Tickets - Maybe more for Saturday May 13th againts the Chicago White Sox. The seating assignment is sec 232 and you can view it here http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/min/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp Three of the tickets are seats 8-10 and one of them is seat 1. I will let yhe list know if I have more available. If interested please let me know! Dave "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From wate0155 at metnet.edu Tue May 2 19:48:04 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows Message-ID: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian (I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. From andyzib at gmail.com Tue May 2 20:10:57 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:10:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> References: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> Message-ID: Buy a Mac. :D That said... If you're looking at Debian on a desktop, I'd look at Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu is such a nice desktop, and the release cycle keeps things up to date better than Debian. iPod is no big deal. It is a USB hard drive, and shows up as such under Linux. There are various Linux applications for managing the music on your iPod, so you're basically in the clear as long as you don't have DRMed music from ITMS, Audible, etc. www.yamipod.com is the first app I came up with while googling, but I'm sure there are others. Just search for ipod on freshmeat.net. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Tue May 2 20:27:35 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows Message-ID: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> Hello Matt: I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were non at the time. If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to consider a dual booting with Windows. There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run *programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no problem. Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. Dave On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: > >Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 >From: Matt Waters >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of >recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. > >Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious >distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am >badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I >have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much >trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on >using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as >well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. >Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian >(I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm >at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue May 2 20:28:55 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:28:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> References: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060503012855.GA3011@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:48:04PM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious > distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am > badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I > have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much > trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on > using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as > well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. Google is your friend... A search string of "ipod linux" yields these links (and a lot more): http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page and http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod.html I'm not a gamer, so WoW is beyond me. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Tue May 2 21:23:17 2006 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:23:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <1146622997.19237.260481749@webmail.messagingengine.com> I did the dual/quad, etc. booting for some time and I finally got sick of waiting for reboots. If you're using Windows apps for school and you have a decent system, I urge you to consider virtualization. Each virtual disk and machine is just a file that resides on your normal filesystem. You can then install any number of operating systems and run them on Linux. You can even save their states so you don't have to shutdown/reboot these virtual machines when you close them. I use qemu to create the virtual disks, and vmware-player to run the virtual machines. I especially find it handy when I vpn to work since the vpn software is Windows only. Just a note: Wine has been around a lot longer than WoW and is great for some apps (e.g. that don't require virtual drivers) but when it comes to games, I've never had it work right. ----- Original message ----- From: "Dave Alanis" To: "Matt Waters" , tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows Hello Matt: I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were non at the time. If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to consider a dual booting with Windows. There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run *programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no problem. Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. Dave On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: > >Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 >From: Matt Waters >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of >recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. > >Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious >distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am >badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I >have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much >trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on >using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as >well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. >Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian >(I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm >at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Tue May 2 21:25:08 2006 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Dave Alanis wrote: > If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to > consider a dual booting with Windows. Everyone I know of who has successfully switched has gone through a phase of dual-booting- even me (except I was dual booting Linux 0.12 and DR-DOS 5). Generally attempts to go cold turkey don't work. You start with booting over into windows constantly, "just to get things done". Then, as time goes on and you become more familiar with linux, you find yourself booting Windows less and less often. The other thing to consider doing is installing Open Office and Firefox on your windows. This will help give you a common set of applications, which will make linux less forbiddingly alien. Brian From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue May 2 22:11:39 2006 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:11:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> References: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060503031139.GA3677@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:48:04PM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious > distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am > badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I > have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much > trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on > using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as > well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. > Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian > (I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm > at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. I had very few difficulties using my iPod on linux (Debian, natch) until its drive croaked on me. The interface to gtkpod takes a little getting used to, and I vaguely recall having some setup problems, but once I climbed those hills it was smooth sailing. Here are the links I accumulated in setting up my iPod (I can't vouch for the usefulness of any of these--it's been a while): http://austin.mit.edu/ipod/ http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1899332#1899332 http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod_archive.html http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/ http://www.freedos.org/jhall/ipod/ http://www.gnu.org/software/gnupod/gnupod.html http://www.linux1394.org/view_device.php?id=652 Good luck! -- trammell at el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From chewie at wookimus.net Tue May 2 23:14:12 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:14:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> Brian Hurt wrote: > Generally attempts to go cold turkey don't work. For souls of lesser mettle, perhaps! :-) I don't want to sound like the wizened old Linux god, but I am. No, wait. That's another person. Anyway, let's dial the "Way Back Clock" to Spring of 1999 on a rainy evening in Monticello, Minnesota. I had successfully retreated to the computer room at my apartment. Windows98 was misbehaving yet again. I cursed. No amount of defragmenting the disk would speed things up. Antivirus applications reported "All Clear", and yet, performance was dog slow. No matter. All I wanted to do was get on-line and frag some poor, deluded, pimple-nosed punk who thought they could catch LtFunf. It wasn't going to happen; not that night, anyway! With a 2 liter of Mountain Dew to my left, peppered beef jerky to my right, and a bag of Skittles in front of me, the little bastards wouldn't know what hit them. And then it happened. Blue Screen of Death. BSoD. The end of the end. No! Not again! I had reinstalled the month before! It couldn't happen again so soon! Arrggggg! The blue light bathed the room. Silence. I gazed over to my CD case. She was in there, calling. "I would never treat you the way he does," she purred. "I would never hurt you." I unzipped the black nylon case slowly. "He never understood you anyway." I flipped the mylar envelopes, passing the disk with the hand-scrawled "Windows Utilities", passing the professionally printed CD labeled "Windows 98 Upgrade Edition!". There She was, in brushed-metal silver. In black sharpie was written the words "Debian GNU/Linux" and "Disc 1". Ben Kochie had helped me install Debian on an old 486 machine to replace a poorly written firewall earlier that year. I had been dual booting my workstation at home for the last year or so with an old version of Red Hat, 4.2. Dependencies were difficult to resolve. Rather than finding packages on the CD that were required for the software to be installed, you had to read the errors that popped up and then guess at what the package name might be, search for it on the disk, and then install that one. Lather, rinse, repeat. Debian had been exceedingly easy to install. I recalled a statement that a chicken pecking at the ENTER key could install it. I looked back up at the blue CRT. Could I do it this time? Could I quit Windows cold turkey? . . . . . . It's the year 2006, Spring once again, and I reflect upon that fateful night that I left Windows behind. Oh, I had reinstalled Windows again when a new game was released that I just had to play, but eventually I quit buying games. I quit booting into Windows for any reason whatsoever. I didn't want to have to deal with yet another Windows installation. Then Transgaming came on to the scene with Cedega. I purchased Half Life, and reawakened my carnal beast... in Linux. I can laugh at myself now, at how forgiving I was toward software. When Outlook died and lost all of my email, I was irate, but ultimately complacent. When Windows crashed, I simply rebooted. When Windows "got old and slow", I reinstalled. Then she came in to my life, and my world was changed. I never went back. When I have to install Windows on some work machine, I feel physical pain. When I go home, she's there, running still. Safe. Secure. Stable. Perhaps I should mention Fast, Responsive, and Fun? How about Power? Free Beer? Freedom? I believe there's a place for Windows and Microsoft. It keeps me employed because it's so fragile. How can I complain about that? Microsoft had done such a great job pulling the wool over the public's eyes, that they don't realize they've been swindled. Perhaps some day, they'll learn. Perhaps cows will rule the world. "Moo." -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed May 3 01:22:59 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 01:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] x.org on debian64/unstable Message-ID: Hey, Anyone know if there's a mirror that has x.org for debian64/unstable? I did a dist-upgrade and it fragged my sistem by only having SOME of x.org, and it did an upgrade instead of holding them back... I've seen it get better over the course of a couple of weeks but I'd kinda like to have X back now. I think all I'm /really/ missing is the mouse drivers... anyone? -Yaron -- From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed May 3 06:41:48 2006 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:41:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <1146622997.19237.260481749@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <1146622997.19237.260481749@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <445896FC.6010704@stonel.com> I second this. Been down the multi boot road. Also have tried wine. My experience, wine works fine for apps listed on codeweavers site, can be frustrating for others. Virtualization is best I've found yet. Grab the free vmplayer from VM Ware. Create virtual machine from site like easyvmx http://www.easyvmx.com/. Start VM, install windows. Windows seems to boot faster and be more stable in VM than natively :) A side note. If you want to try a new distro Live CD without rebooting, set the boot order in VM bios to boot CD first and point CDrom to iso file (a setting in VM). Isaac Atilano wrote: >I did the dual/quad, etc. booting for some time and I finally got sick >of waiting for reboots. If you're using Windows apps for school and you >have a decent system, I urge you to consider virtualization. Each >virtual disk and machine is just a file that resides on your normal >filesystem. You can then install any number of operating systems and run >them on Linux. You can even save their states so you don't have to >shutdown/reboot these virtual machines when you close them. I use qemu >to create the virtual disks, and vmware-player to run the virtual >machines. I especially find it handy when I vpn to work since the vpn >software is Windows only. >Just a note: Wine has been around a lot longer than WoW and is great for >some apps (e.g. that don't require virtual drivers) but when it comes to >games, I've never had it work right. > > >----- Original message ----- >From: "Dave Alanis" >To: "Matt Waters" , tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >Hello Matt: > >I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from >daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. > >As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to >support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were >non at the time. > >If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to >consider a dual booting with Windows. > >There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld >Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run >*programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no >problem. > >Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for >users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. > >Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no >problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to >install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. > > >Dave >On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: > > >>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 >>From: Matt Waters >>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >> >>Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of >>recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. >> >>Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious >>distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am >>badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I >>have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much >>trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on >>using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as >>well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. >>Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian >>(I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm >>at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > >"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre >Minds" - Einstein > >"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed May 3 08:00:57 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:00:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows Message-ID: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> I think you guys are missing the point. How will he recover the music he has on his Ipod? If he uses another music manager wont this delete the music he has on there now? This was my only reason to maintaining the *dual boot option* On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:41 AM, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:41:48 -0500 >From: Bob Gilbertson >To: >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >I second this. Been down the multi boot road. Also have tried wine. >My experience, wine works fine for apps listed on codeweavers site, can >be frustrating for others. Virtualization is best I've found yet. > >Grab the free vmplayer from VM Ware. Create virtual machine from site >like easyvmx http://www.easyvmx.com/. Start VM, install windows. > >Windows seems to boot faster and be more stable in VM than natively :) > >A side note. If you want to try a new distro Live CD without rebooting, >set the boot order in VM bios to boot CD first and point CDrom to iso >file (a >setting in VM). > >Isaac Atilano wrote: > >>I did the dual/quad, etc. booting for some time and I finally got sick >>of waiting for reboots. If you're using Windows apps for school and you >>have a decent system, I urge you to consider virtualization. Each >>virtual disk and machine is just a file that resides on your normal >>filesystem. You can then install any number of operating systems and run >>them on Linux. You can even save their states so you don't have to >>shutdown/reboot these virtual machines when you close them. I use qemu >>to create the virtual disks, and vmware-player to run the virtual >>machines. I especially find it handy when I vpn to work since the vpn >>software is Windows only. >>Just a note: Wine has been around a lot longer than WoW and is great for >>some apps (e.g. that don't require virtual drivers) but when it comes to >>games, I've never had it work right. >> >> >>----- Original message ----- >>From: "Dave Alanis" >>To: "Matt Waters" , tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >> >>Hello Matt: >> >>I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from >>daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. >> >>As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to >>support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were >>non at the time. >> >>If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to >>consider a dual booting with Windows. >> >>There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld >>Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run >>*programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no >>problem. >> >>Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for >>users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. >> >>Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no >>problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to >>install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. >> >> >>Dave >>On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: >> >> >>>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 >>>From: Matt Waters >>>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >>> >>>Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of >>>recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. >>> >>>Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious >>>distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am >>>badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I >>>have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much >>>trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on >>>using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as >>>well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. >>>Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian >>>(I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm >>>at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >>"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre >>Minds" - Einstein >> >>"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Wed May 3 08:18:26 2006 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:18:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: Not necessarily. I use GTKPod for mine (and a friend's occasionally). It doesn't delete the music. I've also been able to use it to extract music from an IPod. Admittedly, the interface is a little clunky. leif On 5/3/06, Dave Alanis wrote: > > I think you guys are missing the point. How will he recover the music he > has on his Ipod? If he uses another music manager wont this delete the music > he has on there now? > > This was my only reason to maintaining the *dual boot option* > > > On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:41 AM, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > > > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:41:48 -0500 > >From: Bob Gilbertson > >To: > >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > > > >I second this. Been down the multi boot road. Also have tried wine. > >My experience, wine works fine for apps listed on codeweavers site, can > >be frustrating for others. Virtualization is best I've found yet. > > > >Grab the free vmplayer from VM Ware. Create virtual machine from site > >like easyvmx http://www.easyvmx.com/. Start VM, install windows. > > > >Windows seems to boot faster and be more stable in VM than natively :) > > > >A side note. If you want to try a new distro Live CD without rebooting, > >set the boot order in VM bios to boot CD first and point CDrom to iso > >file (a > >setting in VM). > > > >Isaac Atilano wrote: > > > >>I did the dual/quad, etc. booting for some time and I finally got sick > >>of waiting for reboots. If you're using Windows apps for school and you > >>have a decent system, I urge you to consider virtualization. Each > >>virtual disk and machine is just a file that resides on your normal > >>filesystem. You can then install any number of operating systems and run > >>them on Linux. You can even save their states so you don't have to > >>shutdown/reboot these virtual machines when you close them. I use qemu > >>to create the virtual disks, and vmware-player to run the virtual > >>machines. I especially find it handy when I vpn to work since the vpn > >>software is Windows only. > >>Just a note: Wine has been around a lot longer than WoW and is great for > >>some apps (e.g. that don't require virtual drivers) but when it comes to > >>games, I've never had it work right. > >> > >> > >>----- Original message ----- > >>From: "Dave Alanis" > >>To: "Matt Waters" , tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 > >>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >> > >>Hello Matt: > >> > >>I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from > >>daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. > >> > >>As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to > >>support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were > >>non at the time. > >> > >>If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to > >>consider a dual booting with Windows. > >> > >>There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld > >>Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run > >>*programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no > >>problem. > >> > >>Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for > >>users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. > >> > >>Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no > >>problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to > >>install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. > >> > >> > >>Dave > >>On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 > >>>From: Matt Waters > >>>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows > >>> > >>>Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of > >>>recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. > >>> > >>>Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious > >>>distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am > >>>badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. > I > >>>have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much > >>>trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on > >>>using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as > >>>well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music > player. > >>>Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian > >>>(I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm > >>>at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre > >>Minds" - Einstein > >> > >>"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre > Minds" - Einstein > > "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060503/5c8e5816/attachment-0001.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 3 09:03:34 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:03:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20060503140334.9BABC343A@skuld.wookimus.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > Then Transgaming came on to the scene with Cedega. I purchased Half > Life, and reawakened my carnal beast... in Linux. ROFL! This is what I get for trying to write clever email late at night. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From rwh at visi.com Wed May 3 09:09:28 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:09:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> References: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> Message-ID: <4458B998.1060101@visi.com> You just have to import the music from the iPod. Its stashed in a hidden folder with munged file names but most music managers will let you rename the files when you import them using the meta data embedded in the .mp3. In Windows you just have to go into Explorer->Tools->Folder Options->View and enable Show Hidden Files and Folders. This is mostly useful if your disk crashes since otherwise you have the files in the iTunes Library. Linux doesn't care about the hidden attribute so you can just mount it, find the directory and copy over the music. If you have a bunch of stuff from the iTunes store the easiest thing to do is grab a copy of jHymn, copy all of the .m4p files to a subdirectory, drag them into jHymn, and then re-import the .m4a files without the DRM wrapper. Right now jHymn doesn't work with iTunes 6.0 or above so if you've upgraded the only option is to mark the protected files, burn them to CD and the rip them again. And before I started, I'd back everything up. In iTunes you can select all of the songs in the library, drag them to the playlist pane and then ask iTunes to burn that playlist to a data CD or DVD. It will happily ask you to keep inserting disks until everything is copied. --rick Dave Alanis wrote: > I think you guys are missing the point. How will he recover the music he has on his Ipod? If he uses another music manager wont this delete the music he has on there now? > > This was my only reason to maintaining the *dual boot option* > > > On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:41 AM, Bob Gilbertson wrote: >> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:41:48 -0500 >> From: Bob Gilbertson >> To: >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >> >> I second this. Been down the multi boot road. Also have tried wine. >> My experience, wine works fine for apps listed on codeweavers site, can >> be frustrating for others. Virtualization is best I've found yet. >> >> Grab the free vmplayer from VM Ware. Create virtual machine from site >> like easyvmx http://www.easyvmx.com/. Start VM, install windows. >> >> Windows seems to boot faster and be more stable in VM than natively :) >> >> A side note. If you want to try a new distro Live CD without rebooting, >> set the boot order in VM bios to boot CD first and point CDrom to iso >> file (a >> setting in VM). >> >> Isaac Atilano wrote: >> >>> I did the dual/quad, etc. booting for some time and I finally got sick >>> of waiting for reboots. If you're using Windows apps for school and you >>> have a decent system, I urge you to consider virtualization. Each >>> virtual disk and machine is just a file that resides on your normal >>> filesystem. You can then install any number of operating systems and run >>> them on Linux. You can even save their states so you don't have to >>> shutdown/reboot these virtual machines when you close them. I use qemu >>> to create the virtual disks, and vmware-player to run the virtual >>> machines. I especially find it handy when I vpn to work since the vpn >>> software is Windows only. >>> Just a note: Wine has been around a lot longer than WoW and is great for >>> some apps (e.g. that don't require virtual drivers) but when it comes to >>> games, I've never had it work right. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original message ----- >>> From: "Dave Alanis" >>> To: "Matt Waters" , tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:27:35 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >>> >>> Hello Matt: >>> >>> I have also gone through the stage of wanting to diminish Windows from >>> daily use. However, some Windows applications make school alot easier. >>> >>> As an Ipod owner, I have not had alot of time looking for ways to >>> support it through Linux. When I did look for alternatives there were >>> non at the time. >>> >>> If you dont want to loose what you have on there now, you might want to >>> consider a dual booting with Windows. >>> >>> There have been times that I totally blow Windows and just run off an ld >>> Gentoo installation on my laptop. When they were times I needed to run >>> *programs* I emerged Wine and was able to continue using them with no >>> problem. >>> >>> Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that wine was made specifically for >>> users who wanted to run World of Warcraft under Linux. >>> >>> Af far as tranfering all your files from your Ipod you should have no >>> problem (as long as you can boot from USB) I have used my Ipod to >>> install Mac OS X on my HP but yes you can access it under Linux as well. >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM, Matt Waters wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:48:04 -0500 >>>> From: Matt Waters >>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows >>>> >>>> Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of >>>> recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. >>>> >>>> Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious >>>> distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am >>>> badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I >>>> have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much >>>> trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on >>>> using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as >>>> well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. >>>> Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian >>>> (I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm >>>> at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre >>> Minds" - Einstein >>> >>> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein > > "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Wed May 3 14:00:36 2006 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:00:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <200605031900.k43J0Srd000799@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Waters Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:48 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows Hello, everyone. I'm rather new to this list and don't have a lot of recent experience with Linux, so please forgive me if I sound dense. Anyway, as the subject of this post says, I wanna put some serious distance between myself and windows. My two big concerns are that I am badly addicted to World of Warcraft, and the fact that I have an iPod. I have a subscription to Transgaming's Cedega, so I don't anticipate much trouble there, however, the iPod issue is a serious one, as I plan on using it to transfer my personal data to a new Linux installation, as well as the fact that I am rather fond of it as a portable music player. Any ideas or advice on getting either one, or both to work with Debian (I used to run a functioning Debian mail server many years ago, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with it) would be most appreciated. ----- Reply ----- I don't play wow anymore, but I did have it setup in Ubuntu with Cedega. I had a problem where I couldn't click on anything to select it. There is a fix out there for it if it still exists. I'm sure the solutions is in the forums I just don't remember what it is exactly. Jason Reynolds From chrome at real-time.com Wed May 3 14:18:45 2006 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:18:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB tape drives under linux Message-ID: <20060503141845.A28563@real-time.com> Newegg doesn't sell IDE-attached Travan tape drives anymore, only one they have is a USB-attached Quantum one. Bought one, plugged it in, it registers as /dev/st0. I can do an 'mt -f /dev/st0 status' on it, and get a reasonable response back. However, it refuses to eject the tape. I issue a 'mt -f /dev/st0 rewoffl', and it does nothing. dmesg reports: st0: Error with sense data: <6>st0: Current: sense key: Illegal Request Additional sense: Invalid command operation code which doesn't seem to be terribly unusual for IDE tape drives. (I'm betting that the guts of this thing are IDE.) It may or may not be the problem. Anyone have a positive experience with USB-attached tape drives under Linux? -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From itwontdie at gmail.com Wed May 3 16:13:28 2006 From: itwontdie at gmail.com (chi) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:13:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <200605031900.k43J0Srd000799@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <4457FDC4.7010806@metnet.edu> <200605031900.k43J0Srd000799@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <79758ac80605031413n30a885bekb317946fbdaf7494@mail.gmail.com> i recomend every ipod user at least check out http://www.rockbox.org/ it owns ipods stock software anyway heres a howto i wrote up on how to convert your ipod nano to rockbox! http://penguinslair.dyndns.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25 From chrome at real-time.com Wed May 3 17:24:45 2006 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:24:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB tape drives under linux In-Reply-To: <20060503141845.A28563@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:18:45PM -0500 References: <20060503141845.A28563@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20060503172445.B30545@real-time.com> On 05/03 02:18 , Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I can do an 'mt -f /dev/st0 status' on it, and get a reasonable response > back. However, it refuses to eject the tape. I issue a 'mt -f /dev/st0 > rewoffl', and it does nothing. dmesg reports: heh. this is one case where reading the manual actually helped. turns out this isn't a tape drive with auto-eject. You have to pull the tape out manually. problem solved. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dan at dandrake.org Wed May 3 20:22:16 2006 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:22:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] overriding .tex target in Makefile? Message-ID: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> I'm using a makefile to handle a large LaTeX project. (I attached it, if anyone's curious.) My problem is that there's some sort of default .dvi or .tex rule, so that if I use a rule (target? I don't know my makefile jargon) like this: %.dvi: stuff commands then it tries to compile my file with tex, and not latex. How do I override this default target/rule/whatever? 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So it looks like if you add a line such as TEX = latex to your makefile, then it should use latex instead of tex Jonner On 5/3/06, Dan Drake wrote: > On Wed, 03 May 2006 at 08:22PM -0500, dan wrote: > > (I attached it, if anyone's curious.) > > This time, I really did attach it... > > > Dan > > -- > Ceci n'est pas une .signature. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEWVfIWvEsgqF+1YQRAmgfAJ4huu/L5Yfbdr8ruhJRlBjmpYvg6gCgoKTG > fKIkWNQQnJMWGNQxbxbPTeI= > =sJu5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From thecubic at thecubic.net Wed May 3 21:33:44 2006 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:33:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] overriding .tex target in Makefile? In-Reply-To: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> References: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20463.163.231.6.67.1146710024.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net> On Wed, May 3, 2006 8:22 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > then it tries to compile my file with tex, and not latex. How do I > override this default target/rule/whatever? use 'TEX=latex make' or put TEX=latex in the Makefile. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Carlson thecubic at thecubic.net From bhurt at spnz.org Wed May 3 21:43:57 2006 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [tclug-list] overriding .tex target in Makefile? In-Reply-To: <20060504012425.GA6354@dandrake.org> References: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> <20060504012425.GA6354@dandrake.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2006, Dan Drake wrote: > On Wed, 03 May 2006 at 08:22PM -0500, dan wrote: >> (I attached it, if anyone's curious.) > > This time, I really did attach it... Looks like it should work. Might try putting: .SUFFIXES: at the begining of the file (this eliminates the "predefined" suffix rules- run 'info make' for more info). Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 4 00:20:11 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:20:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] overriding .tex target in Makefile? In-Reply-To: <20060504012425.GA6354@dandrake.org> References: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> <20060504012425.GA6354@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20060504051945.GA5907@wookimus.net> I use the application called "rubber", but before I found that application, I used the following Makefile. Use rubber, though. It's much nicer. #!/usr/bin/make -f # # Makefile for LaTeX documents # ################################################################################ texfiles = $(wildcard *.tex) pdffiles = $(patsubst %.tex,%.pdf,$(texfiles)) psfiles = $(patsubst %.dvi,%.ps,$(dvifiles)) dvifiles = $(patsubst %.tex,%.dvi,$(texfiles)) all: $(dvifiles) $(pdffiles) $(psfiles) dvi: $(dvifiles) ps: $(psfiles) pdf: $(pdffiles) %.dvi: %.tex latex $< latex $< latex $< %.pdf: %.tex %.dvi pdflatex $< %.ps: %.dvi dvips $< clean: -rm *.log *.dvi *.aux *.toc *.lol *.out distclean: clean -rm *.pdf *.ps .PHONY: all clean dvi ps pdf distclean # Do dependencies here... From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 4 09:01:19 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:01:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> Many thanks for all the feedback. I've been down the dual-boot road more than a few times, and found it never quite worked for me. I used to have a machine running Debian, and although it took me several times to get it right, once I nailed it, it ran like a dream. I do have some music I purchased from the iTunes music store, so I'll have to use this jHymn program someone spoke of to strip off the DRM and get that working. I'm taking my finals in a few hours, so sometime soon after that, I'm gonna give Debian another try. Virtualization seems like a neat idea, but I've had Cedega run Windows games on Linux before (even faster than they ran on windows. =)), and supposedly, Transgaming has fixed a fair amount of the problems with WoW that used to require messy hacks to get around. Also, do any of you guys have any experience using an iPod as a removable disk? I am going to back all my personal files up on my iPod, and would need to know how to edit /etc/fstab in order to be able to get at them. It's been a LOOOOOONG time since I've used Linux, so it's prolly gonna take me a while to get back into the swing of things. OT - Does TCLUG still have beer meetings? I went to one 5 or so years ago before I moved to NY, and now that I'm back in MN, I certainly wouldn't mind drinking beer and talking about computers for a few hours. =) From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu May 4 09:16:31 2006 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:16:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:01:19AM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > Many thanks for all the feedback. I've been down the dual-boot road more > than a few times, and found it never quite worked for me. I used to have > a machine running Debian, and although it took me several times to get > it right, once I nailed it, it ran like a dream. I do have some music I > purchased from the iTunes music store, so I'll have to use this jHymn > program someone spoke of to strip off the DRM and get that working. I'm > taking my finals in a few hours, so sometime soon after that, I'm gonna > give Debian another try. Virtualization seems like a neat idea, but I've > had Cedega run Windows games on Linux before (even faster than they ran > on windows. =)), and supposedly, Transgaming has fixed a fair amount of > the problems with WoW that used to require messy hacks to get around. > Also, do any of you guys have any experience using an iPod as a > removable disk? I am going to back all my personal files up on my iPod, > and would need to know how to edit /etc/fstab in order to be able to get > at them. It's been a LOOOOOONG time since I've used Linux, so it's > prolly gonna take me a while to get back into the swing of things. You don't have to anything special to use the iPod as a disk under Linux. Just follow the directions for using gtkpod (or any other Linux iPod software). You just mount iPods as a removable disk to use them under Linux as either a mp3 player or removable disk. My fstab line is: /dev/sdb2 /media/ipod vfat noauto,user,sync 0 0 Depending on whether you are attaching the iPod through USB or firewire, you may also need to load a kernel module or two. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From dan at dandrake.org Thu May 4 09:24:49 2006 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:24:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] overriding .tex target in Makefile? In-Reply-To: <20060504051945.GA5907@wookimus.net> References: <20060504012216.GA6280@dandrake.org> <20060504012425.GA6354@dandrake.org> <20060504051945.GA5907@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20060504142449.GA7107@dandrake.org> On Thu, 04 May 2006 at 12:20AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I use the application called "rubber", but before I found that > application, I used the following Makefile. Use rubber, though. It's > much nicer. I use rubber too, but it doesn't handle certain kinds of .fig files correctly. A makefile is nice because I can chuck frequent tasks (making a postscript file, then using mpage on it, etc) into it. Other things for larger LaTeX projects (for the purposes of the mailing list archive): vim-latex: http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/ latex-mk: http://latex-mk.sourceforge.net/ rubber: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~beffara/soft/rubber/ Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060504/b6244ca4/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 4 09:53:12 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:53:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060504145312.C69B56CE9@skuld.wookimus.net> > Also, do any of you guys have any experience using an iPod as a > removable disk? Make sure usb-storage is loaded into the kernel. # /etc/udev/rules.d/ipod.rules # BUS="usb", KERNEL="sd*", SYSFS{vendor}="Apple", SYSFS{model}="iPod", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod%n" # EOF # /etc/fstab #...snip... # mount the ipod /dev/ipod2 /media/ipod vfat ro,user,noauto 0 0 #...snip... # EOF -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com Thu May 4 09:49:11 2006 From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:49:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Jim Crumley wrote: > > You don't have to anything special to use the iPod as a disk > under Linux. Just follow the directions for using gtkpod (or any > other Linux iPod software). You just mount iPods as a removable > disk to use them under Linux as either a mp3 player or removable > disk. My fstab line is: > /dev/sdb2 /media/ipod vfat noauto,user,sync 0 0 > > Depending on whether you are attaching the iPod through USB or > firewire, you may also need to load a kernel module or two. > Just to add to that, if you're using a recent GNOME desktop (and maybe KDE too, I don't use KDE), the iPod should be automatically mounted as soon as you connect it (at least it works for my shuffle). You can still add it to /etc/fstab if you want, but it's probably not strictly necessary these days (I don't have it in my /etc/fstab). Of course, if you want to access it from outside of a desktop environment, you'll need to do the fstab thing. Jonathon From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu May 4 10:07:44 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:07:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1f729feb0605040807s5dc7b8c9sdb84ed4ef0114378@mail.gmail.com> I can verify that, at least with Ubuntu Breezy, which runs Gnome 2.12. I have hooked up a variety of devices to my USB port (digital camera, couple different MP3 players, printer and DVD burner) and they were all mounted and recognized with no input from me. On 5/4/06, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > > On 5/4/06, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > You don't have to anything special to use the iPod as a disk > > under Linux. Just follow the directions for using gtkpod (or any > > other Linux iPod software). You just mount iPods as a removable > > disk to use them under Linux as either a mp3 player or removable > > disk. My fstab line is: > > /dev/sdb2 /media/ipod vfat noauto,user,sync 0 > 0 > > > > Depending on whether you are attaching the iPod through USB or > > firewire, you may also need to load a kernel module or two. > > > > Just to add to that, if you're using a recent GNOME desktop (and maybe > KDE too, I don't use KDE), the iPod should be automatically mounted as > soon as you connect it (at least it works for my shuffle). You can > still add it to /etc/fstab if you want, but it's probably not strictly > necessary these days (I don't have it in my /etc/fstab). Of course, > if you want to access it from outside of a desktop environment, you'll > need to do the fstab thing. > > Jonathon > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060504/8a156311/attachment-0001.htm From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 4 10:42:02 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:42:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <4458B998.1060101@visi.com> References: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> <4458B998.1060101@visi.com> Message-ID: <445A20CA.4090705@metnet.edu> Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > You just have to import the music from the iPod. Its stashed in a hidden > folder with munged file names but most music managers will let you > rename the files when you import them using the meta data embedded in > the .mp3. > > In Windows you just have to go into Explorer->Tools->Folder > Options->View and enable Show Hidden Files and Folders. This is mostly > useful if your disk crashes since otherwise you have the files in the > iTunes Library. > > Linux doesn't care about the hidden attribute so you can just mount it, > find the directory and copy over the music. > > If you have a bunch of stuff from the iTunes store the easiest thing to > do is grab a copy of jHymn, copy all of the .m4p files to a > subdirectory, drag them into jHymn, and then re-import the .m4a files > without the DRM wrapper. > > Right now jHymn doesn't work with iTunes 6.0 or above so if you've > upgraded the only option is to mark the protected files, burn them to CD > and the rip them again Interestingly enough, I just burned my ITMS music to a CD, ripped it with Windows Media Player, and it's working fine, even with iTunes (And yes, I deauthorized my computer to make sure) It seems too easy, tho. Am I missing something? From sac at cheesecake.org Thu May 4 10:43:09 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:43:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment Message-ID: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 4 10:15:54 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:15:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 spring sememster. =) I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu May 4 10:57:05 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:57:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu is my first distro, so I have nothing productive to say to that question. But if you want disks, buddy, I've got 'em. Seriously. Like thirty of them. Would you like me to send you one (or a dozen)? On 5/4/06, Matt Waters wrote: > > Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me > mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 > spring sememster. =) > > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060504/2fb7818e/attachment.html From smac at visi.com Thu May 4 11:21:06 2006 From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:21:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146759666.445a29f2d79d2@my.visi.com> Someone Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ubuntu based on Debian? Sam. Quoting Pete Daniels : > Ubuntu is my first distro, so I have nothing productive to say to that > question. But if you want disks, buddy, I've got 'em. Seriously. Like > thirty of them. Would you like me to send you one (or a dozen)? > > On 5/4/06, Matt Waters wrote: > > > > Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me > > mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 > > spring sememster. =) > > > > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From rwh at visi.com Thu May 4 11:34:26 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:34:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A20CA.4090705@metnet.edu> References: <200605031300574583879ee0@mail.smumn.edu> <4458B998.1060101@visi.com> <445A20CA.4090705@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <445A2D12.5030603@visi.com> The two advantages of using something like jHymn is that you don't get the loss from converting from AAC to WAV and then to mp3, and you don't have to re-enter the meta data (artist, title, etc.) Some of the smart tagging tools like MusicBrainz may take care of the latter problem. --rick Matt Waters wrote: > Richard Hoffbeck wrote: >> You just have to import the music from the iPod. Its stashed in a hidden >> folder with munged file names but most music managers will let you >> rename the files when you import them using the meta data embedded in >> the .mp3. >> >> In Windows you just have to go into Explorer->Tools->Folder >> Options->View and enable Show Hidden Files and Folders. This is mostly >> useful if your disk crashes since otherwise you have the files in the >> iTunes Library. >> >> Linux doesn't care about the hidden attribute so you can just mount it, >> find the directory and copy over the music. >> >> If you have a bunch of stuff from the iTunes store the easiest thing to >> do is grab a copy of jHymn, copy all of the .m4p files to a >> subdirectory, drag them into jHymn, and then re-import the .m4a files >> without the DRM wrapper. >> >> Right now jHymn doesn't work with iTunes 6.0 or above so if you've >> upgraded the only option is to mark the protected files, burn them to CD >> and the rip them again > Interestingly enough, I just burned my ITMS music to a CD, ripped it > with Windows Media Player, and it's working fine, even with iTunes (And > yes, I deauthorized my computer to make sure) It seems too easy, tho. Am > I missing something? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu May 4 11:34:49 2006 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:34:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <1146759666.445a29f2d79d2@my.visi.com> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> <1146759666.445a29f2d79d2@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <445A2D29.40801@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 smac at visi.com wrote: > Someone Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ubuntu based on Debian? > Ubuntu is, in fact, based on Debian. The software in it tends to be more recent as they strive for a new release every 6 months to coincide with the newest Gnome desktop release. Debian's release cycle tends to be... longer(not necessarily a bad thing). Personally, I use Ubuntu on all my desktops while Debian graces my servers. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEWi0piwhv4FBqkV8RAoUgAJ9nhwLlg7xpF6bogYMv09U/ciIG4wCeMRQq qgbwHxv2sxOncJ/7bvzWxN8= =aha4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu May 4 11:56:32 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:56:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:43:09AM -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. > What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? Qlogic HBAs. For SAN boxes, it depends on your price range and size. Small for you may not be the same as small for me (yes, size matters!). I'm managing about 200TB of storage on HP EVAs - most of it is not for Linux though. The smallest EVA here is about 8TB and the largest over 40 I think (it grows constantly!). The UofM uses mostly EMC Clarrion for their SAN and I think they have Linux clients too. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From chewie at wookimus.net Thu May 4 11:54:56 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:54:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A2D29.40801@druswanderings.net> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> <1146759666.445a29f2d79d2@my.visi.com> <445A2D29.40801@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20060504165456.4879B6EFB@skuld.wookimus.net> The Wandering Dru wrote: > Debian's release cycle tends to be... longer(not necessarily a bad > thing). Being a DD, I would suggest sticking with Debian. Transgaming generally releases largely static binaries, so you shouldn't run into too many dependency problems. I use backports.org for software that generally can only be found in unstable/testing. Ubuntu is pretty cool, from what I understand, but I've never really bothered. ZDNet is running a story [1]_ about a recent post from Andreas Barth. [2]_ Etch is scheduled for release in December. Rather than the 3 year release cycle, we're down to 18 months. ;-) Good news for Debianites everywhere. 18 months may be a little slow for the FOSS world, but it's better than 3 years. Personally, I can "suffer" for a year and a half before upgrading. :-) .. [1] http://tinyurl.com/o8uxc .. [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com Thu May 4 11:57:51 2006 From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:57:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Matt Waters wrote: > Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me > mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 > spring sememster. =) > > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? If you want things to just work, especially with newer hardware and with newer versions of software, I think Ubuntu has the upper hand. I was running Debian on my desktop for several years, and loved a lot of things about it, but there were a couple things that annoyed me slightly, and they're inter-related. The first is that the software in the stable distribution is really old. Even though a new stable version was released not too long ago, it only has GNOME 2.8 (which is the thing I'm most interested in) while GNOME is now up to 2.14. Because of this, most people who run Debian on the desktop use either the 'testing' or 'unstable' versions. The unstable versions of Debian are generally pretty safe, but this leads to my second issue: you are using a constantly evolving code base, so whenever there's a major transition (for example, the recent C++ ABI transition was rather painful for me since I develop in C++) you run the risk of your desktop being partially broken until things settle down. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has stable releases every six months, so you get fairly recent software, but you don't have the drawbacks of a constantly churning software base. Ubuntu also provides some minor customizations and utilities for the desktop, but the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian is just that Ubuntu makes releases often enough to make it worthwhile to run the stable version. Other than that, there's not a lot of difference. So it depends on your goals. If you're just looking for a Desktop that works, Ubuntu provides all of the advantages of Debian without a couple of significant disadvantages. If you really want to dig in and learn linux, then maybe Debian is the better of the two options, but either will work fine. They're both great distros, but for the desktop, I'd give Ubuntu a slight edge. Jonathon From jsievert at gmail.com Thu May 4 12:08:10 2006 From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:08:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <6cfb19470605041008x4a84d155gad4f4cbd8fd98360@mail.gmail.com> Another vote for qlogic HBA's. Also a shameless post for my companys storage. www.rorke.com On 5/4/06, Ed Wilts wrote: > > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:43:09AM -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > > We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. > > What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? > > Qlogic HBAs. > > For SAN boxes, it depends on your price range and size. Small for you > may not be the same as small for me (yes, size matters!). I'm managing > about 200TB of storage on HP EVAs - most of it is not for Linux though. > The smallest EVA here is about 8TB and the largest over 40 I think (it > grows constantly!). The UofM uses mostly EMC Clarrion for their SAN and > I think they have Linux clients too. > > .../Ed > > -- > Ed Wilts, RHCE > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060504/6d3bfb35/attachment.htm From ston0235 at umn.edu Thu May 4 12:11:26 2006 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:11:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <1146762686.11509.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I used Debian for a few years and switched to Ubuntu about a year ago. I think the main difference between them, for a desktop user, is that Ubuntu typically has a newer core system (things like the kernel, udev x.org, alsa) while Debian typically has newer applications. If you are a fanatical apt-get upgrader, then running Debian Etch or Sid will be more fun, since Ubuntu only updates every six months. If you're a little more patient, then Ubuntu provides the better experience. You can, of course, run Ubuntu unstable, and get packages that are only slightly older than Debian's. But Ubuntu unstable is *far* less stable than Debian unstable. In the end, both are fantastic distros and will serve your needs. I just think that the considerations tip slightly in favor of Ubuntu for desktop users. Ian On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:15 -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me > mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 > spring sememster. =) > > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sac at cheesecake.org Thu May 4 12:16:28 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:16:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060504171628.GA11498@cheesecake.org> On Thu, 04 May 2006 at 11.56.32 -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:43:09AM -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > > We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. > > What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? > > Qlogic HBAs. Ok. > For SAN boxes, it depends on your price range and size. Small for you > may not be the same as small for me (yes, size matters!). I'm managing > about 200TB of storage on HP EVAs - most of it is not for Linux though. > The smallest EVA here is about 8TB and the largest over 40 I think (it > grows constantly!). The UofM uses mostly EMC Clarrion for their SAN and > I think they have Linux clients too. We don't have a lot of data, we mostly just need more spindles. So we'd want 12-14 disks, size isn't a big deal, like 2-4TB should be plenty. We also want a vendor who will `get' Linux and won't whine that we aren't running Redhat CoreFrobozz 45.2 on a WhizzBang 3000 machine because that's the ONLY thing they'll support at all. Not that we expect to need a lot of support, I just have a low tolerance for bullshit. -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From dan at dandrake.org Thu May 4 12:21:33 2006 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:21:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060504172133.GA7393@dandrake.org> On Thu, 04 May 2006 at 10:15AM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? Ubuntu is very nice. Lots of the fussy bits that you can have to configure manually on Debian simply work out of the box. I agree with the "Ubuntu on the desktop, Debian on a server" sentiment. Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060504/2de62249/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Thu May 4 17:02:03 2006 From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:02:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445A2D29.40801@druswanderings.net> References: <200605030127353583878f2f@mail.smumn.edu> <20060503041412.07C686F30@skuld.wookimus.net> <445A092F.20705@metnet.edu> <20060504091631.A12562@baker.space.umn.edu> <445A1AAA.2010006@metnet.edu> <1f729feb0605040857m76bae992l8bc8bca7b593958a@mail.gmail.com> <1146759666.445a29f2d79d2@my.visi.com> <445A2D29.40801@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1146780123.445a79dbeb004@my.visi.com> That makes total snese Debian on servers and Ubuntu on the desktop. No gui on the servers and a very nice gui on the desktop. Sam. Quoting The Wandering Dru : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > smac at visi.com wrote: > > Someone Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ubuntu based on Debian? > > > > Ubuntu is, in fact, based on Debian. The software in it tends to be > more recent as they strive for a new release every 6 months to coincide > with the newest Gnome desktop release. Debian's release cycle tends to > be... longer(not necessarily a bad thing). > > Personally, I use Ubuntu on all my desktops while Debian graces my servers. > > > - -- > The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F > http://www.druswanderings.net > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFEWi0piwhv4FBqkV8RAoUgAJ9nhwLlg7xpF6bogYMv09U/ciIG4wCeMRQq > qgbwHxv2sxOncJ/7bvzWxN8= > =aha4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sraun at fireopal.org Thu May 4 17:19:32 2006 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:19:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Latitude C800 Power Supply Message-ID: <20060504221932.GA15106@fireopal.org> I'm in search of a replacement Dell PA-2 or PA-6 power supply - it's for a Latitude C800, among others. Anyone either have a spare, or know of someplace in town that might carry one or its equivalent? I can get a non-Dell part for $25-30 in 2-3 days via eBay. I'm hoping for a quicker source than that. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu May 4 18:11:52 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:11:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504171628.GA11498@cheesecake.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> <20060504171628.GA11498@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <20060504231152.GB8061@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > We don't have a lot of data, we mostly just need more spindles. So we'd > want 12-14 disks, size isn't a big deal, like 2-4TB should be plenty. You can probably get something like an HP MSA 1000 for not a lot of money. We've got an older one here that we used for Exchange - it has 3 shelves of 14 72GB drives each - around 3TB total. A lot of spindles though. > We also want a vendor who will `get' Linux and won't whine that we aren't > running Redhat CoreFrobozz 45.2 on a WhizzBang 3000 machine because that's > the ONLY thing they'll support at all. Not that we expect to need a > lot of support, I just have a low tolerance for bullshit. Most SAN vendors have a low tolerance for customers who run fast and loose with kernels, drivers, and firmware. This isn't SCSI and the standards are a bit of challenge. You can expect a very limited support matrix. Admittedly I've only played with the big boys - EMC, HP, McData, and Brocade, but they've all sung the same song. You can get a bit looser if you go with a NAS solution instead since then you're playing by the NFS or CIFS protocols. You will find Linux support from the big companies but generally it's the big distros - Red Hat and SuSe that are supported (e.g. qualified). If you ask me, I'll tell you to run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and an HP SAN. I know it will work though, since I've put them into production. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Thu May 4 11:36:55 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Latitude C800 Power Supply In-Reply-To: <20060504221932.GA15106@fireopal.org> References: <20060504221932.GA15106@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <445A2DA7.8060200@mchsi.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott Raun wrote: > I'm in search of a replacement Dell PA-2 or PA-6 power supply - it's > for a Latitude C800, among others. Anyone either have a spare, or > know of someplace in town that might carry one or its equivalent? > > I can get a non-Dell part for $25-30 in 2-3 days via eBay. I'm hoping > for a quicker source than that. > I got a replacement for my compaq armada m700 power supply at que computers today for $39.95, I believe all their power supplies are that price used. http://quecomputers.com nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEWi2mybtJ236hNocRAgSTAJ9HVALHEYPyGEpr/YD28qr175XZuwCgtvOa mvWRmXEuhmK8m1jmMYX0jPY= =LhJo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From auditodd at comcast.net Thu May 4 19:59:43 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:59:43 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows Message-ID: <050520060059.21987.445AA37E000ED35F000055E322135396530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Do yourselft a favor next time (and this can be said to anyone who doesn't have broadband), ask the list for someone to download the ISO and supply them with blank CDRs and ask them to burn the images for you. I've done this for people on another list and I'm happy to help out. I'm on Comcast and have achieved a 1Meg/sec download speed with 4 seperate ftp downloads running at once. My main limiting factor is the speed of the site I'm pulling the images from. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Matt Waters > Man, all this technical stuff I'm gonna need to remember is making me > mighty glad I'm taking the Linux for programmers class in the 2007 > spring sememster. =) > > I remember someone saying something about how Ubuntu is great as a > desktop distro. I tried mail-ordering CDs once, but every single CD > turned out to be bad. Any opinons on how Ubuntu rates against Debian > before I go through the trouble of grabbing new disks? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu May 4 20:06:09 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:06:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605050106.k45169W16530@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Misc Video Cards Various video cards i've collected over the years, PCI video cards Genoa Phantom 32i (Tseng et4000 chip) Trident Blade 3d Diamond Multimedia Stealth 3d 2000 (S3 Virge chip) Diamond Multimedia Stealth 64 (S3 Vision 964 chip) Appian Graphics Duet (Dual head, S3 chip) #9 GXE 64 (S3 Vision864 chip) STB Nitro 64 (Cirrus Logic gd5446 chip) AGP video cards Matrox MGA G2+ (w/ ram stick) Matrox MGA G2+ (w/o extra ram) ATI Rage 128pro ATI Rage Pro Turbo Voodoo 3 3000 16mb (fond memories of this baby!) 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Seller Email address: nassarmu-tclug at beitsahour dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From andyzib at gmail.com Thu May 4 22:06:30 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:06:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <050520060059.21987.445AA37E000ED35F000055E322135396530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <050520060059.21987.445AA37E000ED35F000055E322135396530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ubuntu doesn't really advertise it much, but if you look carefully at all the links you'll notice a .torret file for each ISO. Ubuntu's download servers are generally fast enough without BitTorrent. ;-) Ubuntu is a nice intermediate between Debian Stable and Debian Unstable. While Debian Unstable is bleeding edge, and something might (will) break eventually, Ubuntu is more up to date than stable but not prone to the breakage like Unstable. All in all, just right for a desktop. The Ubuntu folks have also put effort into making the system nice and usable from the get go, where as with Debian the packages are pretty much configured how they would be after compiling from source. Most of your desktop administration can be done in GUI mode on Ubuntu, a nice feature for those new to linux. On Debian, if there is a GUI tool it may not be immediately obvious or it may not be installed by default. Personally, I recommend Ubuntu to anyone considering a Debian for their desktop. Both distributions have their merits. As for Ubuntu vs Debain on the server...both work equally well. Typing ubuntu server instead of simply hitting enter when installing Ubuntu will give you a bare minimum system. Nice feature. The only difference between the Ubuntu CD and the Ubuntu Server CD is which insaller mode is the default. ;-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From andyzib at gmail.com Thu May 4 22:10:45 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:10:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Latitude C800 Power Supply In-Reply-To: <445A2DA7.8060200@mchsi.com> References: <20060504221932.GA15106@fireopal.org> <445A2DA7.8060200@mchsi.com> Message-ID: You may want to check out MPC. http://www.materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html Their stock is ever changing, but at one time we were picking up extra power supplies for around $10. At that price, they easily paid for themselves in free Mtn. Dew from the sales guys who constantly forgot their laptop's charger. :) MCP's surplus store is only open on Thursdays and Fridays. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Fri May 5 09:20:56 2006 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14)) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:20:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows Message-ID: > That makes total snese [sic] Debian on servers and Ubuntu on the desktop. > No gui on the servers and a very nice gui on the desktop. Why not simply disable or remove X when you don't need a gui? I put Ubuntu on a server after Debian didn't recognize the SATA drive (at least not without research and fiddling). From j_wrocky at comcast.net Fri May 5 10:28:02 2006 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:28:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu or Debian? Was: Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445B6F02.6040805@comcast.net> One more to consider. SimplyMEPIS 6.0beta2 Release is based on Ubuntu. Beta2 provides an updated 2.6.15.6 kernel based on Ubuntu kernel version 2.6.15-22.33. http://www.mepis.org/node/9802 Mepis is staying with the KDE desktop. Have tried Kubuntu 6.06 also. I seem to like Mepis better. Jerry From tanner at real-time.com Fri May 5 10:46:51 2006 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] x.org on debian64/unstable References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Anyone know if there's a mirror that has x.org for debian64/unstable? deb http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib xorg is huge, my recommendation is wait, since it takes days for buildd to push all the changes out. *** NOTE Make sure you tar up your /etc/X11 directory, since I =know= there are several grave bugs that trash the files in there. In particular removing(!) the Xsessions file. - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEW3NxfPGnCSzBsogRAi8vAKCuUXEJnaNYf3rqeCltbmK/XNhyoQCcDsFG PQfY37v7pdgfc/9xSJygNRI= =wf74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 5 10:59:18 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:59:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] x.org on debian64/unstable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > deb http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main non-free > contrib I'll try that one, although right now I'm going to the amd64.debian.net! > xorg is huge, my recommendation is wait, since it takes days for buildd to > push all the changes out. Yeah... I don't know about 'days', I'm giving it a few weeks. I managed to hack it to work. It was only missing the mouse driver and fonts. Saldy, the mouse driver was EASIER than the fonts! > Make sure you tar up your /etc/X11 directory, Oh HELL yes. Luckily I do that since it killed my crazily customised xorg.conf. -Yaron -- From slushpupie at gmail.com Fri May 5 10:57:00 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:57:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. > What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? We use LSI HBAs and a bunch of HP hardware without any real issues here. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From jkjones at tcq.net Fri May 5 12:08:03 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:08:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD Message-ID: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> I have a Windows 98 file system, FAT32, about 30GB which I want to back up to DVD. I have the Windows file system mounted on this Ubuntu system. Is there any imaging program, a la Norton Ghost, which I could use to back up the whole thing? That is, it would have to create an image which spans several 4.7GB DVD disks. Kraig From ewilts at ewilts.org Fri May 5 12:20:42 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:20:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD In-Reply-To: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> References: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> Message-ID: <20060505172042.GB22527@www.ewilts.org> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 12:08:03PM -0500, Kraig Jones wrote: > I have a Windows 98 file system, FAT32, about 30GB which I want to back > up to DVD. I have the Windows file system mounted on this Ubuntu > system. Is there any imaging program, a la Norton Ghost, which I could > use to back up the whole thing? That is, it would have to create an > image which spans several 4.7GB DVD disks. Mondo Rescue. I hope it can back up FAT file systems... It will create multiple ISOs for you if you want. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Fri May 5 13:00:09 2006 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:00:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> <20060504165632.GC2629@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <914f813c0605051100y14c97e65ha5db8c0fd993d95a@mail.gmail.com> :~??:?????)m??"??(? +??????5?1z??u?^??(?*.???q??????"???jY_????f???[z?^???j?&jY_?????,?7?j?^??&????)?i?.?m4L??+j??s?T &??h~+b?z-~???{??.??z???W??E@????????|L?v?^???z?h?????a?y"? ???(??Z??rN???.??&??e?C V??*'~?????HZ??-?)??????.)???bz{l?????j????}? ?^r?6???????^Q????????x??????????|?????i?W ?^r?????'??.??????j?????j????-???-A??'!"?????v?^???v???hj?^??("?zz"u??? aj?????Z?????Z??(??I??{ij?@?t?-?mi?fz{pj????y?.m???j)fjy??)???????z???_?r[??+-??mi?fz{l?m4?Nt???~????????g??f From rwh at visi.com Fri May 5 16:11:18 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:11:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD In-Reply-To: <20060505172042.GB22527@www.ewilts.org> References: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> <20060505172042.GB22527@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <445BBF76.1040304@visi.com> There's also Ghost 4 Linux. --rick http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/ Ed Wilts wrote: > On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 12:08:03PM -0500, Kraig Jones wrote: >> I have a Windows 98 file system, FAT32, about 30GB which I want to back >> up to DVD. I have the Windows file system mounted on this Ubuntu >> system. Is there any imaging program, a la Norton Ghost, which I could >> use to back up the whole thing? That is, it would have to create an >> image which spans several 4.7GB DVD disks. > > Mondo Rescue. I hope it can back up FAT file systems... > > It will create multiple ISOs for you if you want. > > .../Ed > From jkjones at tcq.net Fri May 5 16:39:48 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:39:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD In-Reply-To: <20060505172042.GB22527@www.ewilts.org> References: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> <20060505172042.GB22527@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <445BC624.1030907@tcq.net> Ed Wilts wrote: >On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 12:08:03PM -0500, Kraig Jones wrote: > > >>I have a Windows 98 file system, FAT32, about 30GB which I want to back >>up to DVD. I have the Windows file system mounted on this Ubuntu >>system. Is there any imaging program, a la Norton Ghost, which I could >>use to back up the whole thing? That is, it would have to create an >>image which spans several 4.7GB DVD disks. >> >> > >Mondo Rescue. I hope it can back up FAT file systems... > >It will create multiple ISOs for you if you want. > > .../Ed > > > Thanks, Ed. I gave Mondo a try. It doesn't want to run -- apparently I'm getting an error in "mindi": /usr/sbin/mindi: line 2345: syntax error near unexpected token `|' /usr/sbin/mindi: line 2345: ` while [ "`echo "$newo" | grep "\.\."`" ] ; do' I'll maybe spend a little time trying to figure this out, but I don't know scripts that well. Kraig From swaite at sbn-services.com Fri May 5 19:37:38 2006 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:37:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD In-Reply-To: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> References: <445B8673.9080207@tcq.net> Message-ID: Try Acronis True Image for Linux (www.acronis.com). This will allow you to image your drive and split the files into 4.7GB size to fit on a DVD. I might suggest moving any data files directly to a DVD to cut down on the image size and then do a direct image straight to one DVD. My Windows XP Pro partition on this laptop which is 9GB fits on a DVD with normal compression settings. Takes about 5-10 minutes to restore through the network. Sean Waite -----Original Message----- From: Kraig Jones To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:08:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to DVD > I have a Windows 98 file system, FAT32, about 30GB which I want to back > up to DVD. I have the Windows file system mounted on this Ubuntu > system. Is there any imaging program, a la Norton Ghost, which I could > use to back up the whole thing? That is, it would have to create an > image which spans several 4.7GB DVD disks. > > Kraig > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wate0155 at metnet.edu Sun May 7 15:41:47 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:41:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Linux, Windows, and the iPod Message-ID: <445E5B8B.5050107@metnet.edu> Last night, I booted the LiveCD version of Ubuntu and hooked my iPod up to it. Everything went great until this morning, when I hooked my iPod back up to my Windows environment. Now the battery refuses to charge, and every time I hook the iPod into Windows, it locks up, and I have to reboot. I know this isn't really Linux related, but I know some of you have iPods, and I'll need my iPod to move my files when I give Windows the ol' heave-ho. From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon May 8 08:32:31 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:32:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Linux, Windows, and the iPod In-Reply-To: <445E5B8B.5050107@metnet.edu> References: <445E5B8B.5050107@metnet.edu> Message-ID: On 5/7/06, Matt Waters wrote: > Last night, I booted the LiveCD version of Ubuntu and hooked my iPod up > to it. Everything went great until this morning, when I hooked my iPod > back up to my Windows environment. Now the battery refuses to charge, > and every time I hook the iPod into Windows, it locks up, and I have to > reboot. I know this isn't really Linux related, but I know some of you > have iPods, and I'll need my iPod to move my files when I give Windows > the ol' heave-ho. I had signifiant problems when doing the same sort of thing. Figuring the Apple tech support wouldnt help me, I reformatted my iPod and tried going between just Windows and Mac (since they are both supported). Same thing, so I called them up, and they flat out say they dont support using your iPod on more than one computer. I wasnt able to get any real technical details out of them, so Im not complely sure why, but the iPod certainly gets confused going between computers. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon May 8 09:01:42 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:01:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest - Call for ideas and volunteers Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F7943044659@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> It's not announced yet, but our next installfest will be June 3rd at Heritage Christian Academy, 15655 Bass Lake Road (Bass Lake Road at Vicksburg), in Plymouth. Times are 10-5. I'll send out a map and details later. Since this will only be my second installfest, I'd like to get input on what people like and dislike about installfests. I'd also like to start assembling a list of volunteers. Idea List: * Registration desk/Name tags. Each person will get a name tag. Those who are experts in various distributions will also have an "I speak Fedora" (or whatever) on their tag. * We hope to have a dedicated 100Mb subnet with cable access to the Internet. * I'd like to have a machine to load as many distros as feasible, as well as a few with CD burning capabilities. * The room we have has several 20amp circuits. Anyone with power strips, please coordinate with me about bringing them. * We have a few network switches, but could probably use more. Again, if you can bring one, let me know. Let me know any other ideas you might have. Thanks for your suggestions. I think, with a little help, we could make this a great installfest. Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Mon May 8 10:33:17 2006 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:33:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] disregard - test Message-ID: <200605081033.17358.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> From florin at iucha.net Mon May 8 10:43:24 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:43:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest - Call for ideas and volunteers In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F7943044659@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F7943044659@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060508154324.GT19247@iucha.net> On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 09:01:42AM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > It's not announced yet, but our next installfest will be June 3rd at Heritage Christian Academy, 15655 Bass Lake Road (Bass Lake Road at Vicksburg), in Plymouth. Times are 10-5. I'll send out a map and details later. [Lots of good ideas] I will bring an install-server with 120 GB disk and a DVD-burner, plus a 24 port network switch. Somebody needs to provide a disk with images: can be Firewire or even IDE/SATA. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060508/ee66d4ae/attachment.pgp From tj at genesiswireless.us Wed May 3 00:38:31 2006 From: tj at genesiswireless.us (T.J. Duchene) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:38:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> Too bad life isn't that easy if you are a programmer. As long as there is not 100% compatible ABI (application binary interface) Windows just won't go away. That of course, will never happen because Microsoft will never allow a completely compatible interface to be engineered. As a heads up to those who care, Windows Viesta will pretty much throw Wine and Cedega into at least temporary insanity. DirectX 10 is going to be a major revision, and probably only going to be available on Viesta, and possibly incompatible with previous versions. On thing is for sure, the Win32 API is going to be dumped in favor of an new operatiing system interface called WinFX. So I guess unless the Wine and Cedega catch up somehow - you can expect Viesta applications to not be useable under Wine or Cedega for awhile. Personally, I wish that as a group we programmers could force a binary middleware on the industry, so that applications would be OS independent. Please dont mention Java or .NET in any responses. =P. Both have issues - either too slow, threading problems, or in general the OS support is unreliable. Myself I'm waiting for AMD's Pacifica chips later this year or early next. By that time, it should be possible to run Windows and Linux in parallel on one processor at near native speeds. Cheers! T.J. From chewie at wookimus.net Mon May 8 11:57:43 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:57:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> References: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> Message-ID: <20060508165743.9D3EF6CB5@skuld.wookimus.net> "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > Personally, I wish that as a group we programmers could force a > binary middleware on the industry, so that applications would be OS > independent. Ah, yes. The pancea of application design, OS agnosticism. Unfortunately a problem that isn't likely going to be solved, ever. Why? The problem with trying to design binary middleware is that EVERYONE has to agree upon what is best for EVERY problem set. That means commercial acceptance as well. Designing this type of wide-application virtual machine is HARD. If you won't accept Java or .NET, Parrot is a good example of this type of effort. It will be the Perl 6 virtual-machine implementation of choice, and it's gaining momentum in hosting other languages. Who knows if it'll gain commercial acceptance at all, even if it does become useful to the FOSS world. http://www.parrotcode.org/ http://www.parrotcode.org/languages/ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon May 8 12:08:05 2006 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:08:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest - Call for ideas and volunteers In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F7943044659@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F7943044659@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: On 5/8/06, Wayne Johnson wrote: > It's not announced yet, but our next installfest will be June 3rd at Heritage Christian Academy, 15655 Bass Lake Road (Bass Lake Road at Vicksburg), in Plymouth. Times are 10-5. I'll send out a map and details later. > > Since this will only be my second installfest, I'd like to get input on what people like and dislike about installfests. I'd also like to start assembling a list of volunteers. You should take a look at the Installfest HOWTO [1] that our own Rick Meyerhoff put together. [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/ scot From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon May 8 12:35:23 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:35:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest - Call for ideas and volunteers Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF33B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Aaah, yes, good idea. The waiver is a good idea too. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scotjenkins at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 12:08 PM To: Wayne Johnson Cc: Tclug-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Installfest - Call for ideas and volunteers On 5/8/06, Wayne Johnson wrote: > It's not announced yet, but our next installfest will be June 3rd at Heritage Christian Academy, 15655 Bass Lake Road (Bass Lake Road at Vicksburg), in Plymouth. Times are 10-5. I'll send out a map and details later. > > Since this will only be my second installfest, I'd like to get input on what people like and dislike about installfests. I'd also like to start assembling a list of volunteers. You should take a look at the Installfest HOWTO [1] that our own Rick Meyerhoff put together. [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/ scot From bunjee at charter.net Mon May 8 19:17:39 2006 From: bunjee at charter.net (Danny) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:17:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Canon Printer Message-ID: <1147133859.11332.5.camel@patty> > I need a network driver for my Canon Pixma 6000 printer. As of now, I > do > not know where to get one. Then, if there is one, I need to know how > to > install it. I have two computers with Windows XP on them. I have > Ubuntu > on this one. Please advise. > From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Tue May 9 08:08:17 2006 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:08:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Linux, Windows, and the iPod In-Reply-To: References: <445E5B8B.5050107@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <914f813c0605090608u420b0558h7bbcf7ed63ad2a8e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/8/06, slushpupie at gmail.com wrote: > On 5/7/06, Matt Waters wrote: > > Last night, I booted the LiveCD version of Ubuntu and hooked my iPod up > > to it. Everything went great until this morning, when I hooked my iPod > > back up to my Windows environment. Now the battery refuses to charge, > > and every time I hook the iPod into Windows, it locks up, and I have to > > reboot. I know this isn't really Linux related, but I know some of you > > have iPods, and I'll need my iPod to move my files when I give Windows > > the ol' heave-ho. > > I had signifiant problems when doing the same sort of thing. Figuring > the Apple tech support wouldnt help me, I reformatted my iPod and > tried going between just Windows and Mac (since they are both > supported). Same thing, so I called them up, and they flat out say > they dont support using your iPod on more than one computer. I wasnt > able to get any real technical details out of them, so Im not complely > sure why, but the iPod certainly gets confused going between > computers. Mine has worked okay for me, but I'm moving from Mac to Linux, not Windows. I did have several songs that got "lost", where the iPod would pull it up to play, and display the title for a second, then move to the next song without playing anything. I removed and resynced my collection, which fixed the problem. (iTunes options, Synchronize only selected files; now unselect all files in the iPod playlist, and sync. Once finished, select all files in that playlist again and sync once more.) From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue May 9 08:22:25 2006 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:22:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> References: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2006, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Myself I'm waiting for AMD's Pacifica chips later this year or early > next. By that time, it should be possible to run Windows and Linux in > parallel on one processor at near native speeds. Intel VT is already here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue May 9 13:50:56 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:50:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I know, this is way off topic, but in the past there have been quite a few TCLUGgers that were interested. I only send this out once a year, if you want future launch notices, you can subscribe to our mailing list at http://www.tripolimn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tripolimn-announce === It's been 80 years since Robert Goddard first sparked the imaginations of both old and young alike with the launch of his first liquid fueled rocket. It's this spirit of invention and experimentation that drives the Tripoli Minnesota Rocket Club. Tripoli Minnesota will be holding it's first rocket launch of the 2006 season in North Branch Minnesota, on Saturday May 13 starting at about 9AM. We fly until everyone is exausted, which is normally about 4PM. The launch site is about 45-60 minutes North of the Twin Cities and just a few minutes off of I-35. So far, the weather looks excellent and we should have around 100 rocketeers and spectators there,. We expect to have 80-100 rockets launched. Everything from 1/8" micro-maxx mini-rockets to huge "M" class rockets 10-20' tall. Rocketry is a fun, exciting, and educational hobby for all ages. Tripoli supports 6 low power pads for the young (and young at heart) rocketeers and 6 high power pads for those adults with high power certification. Even if you are not interested is flying rockets (yet), feel free to stop by and gawk. There is something special is seeing a high power rocket tearing off it's pad at 600 MPH, flying 2 miles high, and then the anticipation of waiting to see it's chute open and it safely returning to earth. If the weather is good, there will likely be many people attending. Please car pool if possible, and respect parking restrictions. We usually have a lunch vendor and sanitary facilities available, and downtown North Branch is only a few miles away. Schools, Boy and Girl Scout troops, church youth groups and other organizations are welcome, but please contact us so we can make arrangements. Be sure to check our web site, www.tripolimn.org before coming for latest weather info as well as directions. If you have questions, feel free to contact me. --- Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From admin at lctn.org Tue May 9 14:10:14 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:10:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1147201814.12448.120.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Any chance you could stream the event. That sounds like a lot of fun to watch! From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue May 9 14:47:38 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:47:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I'll have some video, but not much chance of getting a network connection in the middle of a sod field in North Branch. Would be nice though. Anyone want to donate a satellite uplink? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:10 PM To: Tclug-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch Any chance you could stream the event. That sounds like a lot of fun to watch! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue May 9 14:55:44 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:55:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] suggestion: create an OT list with no restrictions In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I know, this is way off topic, but in the past there have been quite a > few TCLUGgers that were interested. I only send this out once a year, > if you want future launch notices, you can subscribe to our mailing list > at http://www.tripolimn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tripolimn-announce At U Missouri we developed a second list for our LUG so that members could send all sorts of off-topic message to that second list. Of course, there are some annoyances with that scheme, like political and religious arguments cropping up, but we agreed to use [POLITICS] and [RELIGION] in the subject lines so that people who wanted to avoid those topics could stay on the off-topic list without being bothered with those things. The off-topic list was a huge success because it gave people a great place to talk about all sorts of things that were of interest to other LUG members. Examples would be questions/answers about places to buy various non-Linux things around town, or how to do something in Windows (we kept the LUG Linux-specific). There was absolutely no restriction on use of the off-topic list except that Linux discussions did not belong there. The other great thing about this is if you don't like the idea of an off-topic, general-purpose list, just don't sign up for it. This will work for you because it helps to keep the LUG list on topic. We called the two lists "membership" and "discussion" but we could name them anything we wanted here. What do you think? Mike From admin at lctn.org Tue May 9 14:59:57 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:59:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1147204798.12448.137.camel@project-1.tamray.com> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 14:47 -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I'll have some video, but not much chance of getting a network connection in the middle of a sod field in North Branch. Would be nice though. Anyone want to donate a satellite uplink? If you connect through a wireless or satellite link, I have the server and bandwidth for the event. You would just need a box that you can connect your camera too, with Windows Media Encoder. We could record it and distribute it to k12 schools for educational purposes. From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue May 9 15:00:43 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:00:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Anyone want to donate a satellite uplink? Hmmm... I wonder if we can do some kind of load-balancing using a bunch of laptops using EGDE/GRPS via Bluetooth... I haven't done model rockets in forEVER. I kinda miss it (: -Yaron -- From andyzib at gmail.com Tue May 9 15:01:30 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:01:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Considering dumping windows In-Reply-To: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> References: <445841D7.3090300@genesiswireless.us> Message-ID: > As a heads up to those who care, Windows Viesta will pretty much throw > Wine and Cedega into at least temporary insanity. WINE and Cedega will have plenty of time to catch up. Application developers will continue to support Windows XP, and probally 2000 for some time yet. It seems likely DirectX 10 will be released for Windows XP. Thanks to game servers running on Windows 2003 Server, the game servers will continue to support Windows Server 2003 well into the next decade. I don't see Windows XP support from appliction developers dropping off until 2009-2010ish. OEMs and retailers will still have to clear any remaining Windows XP machines after Vista is released. In 2006 or 2007... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From admin at lctn.org Tue May 9 15:09:51 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:09:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch In-Reply-To: References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1147205392.12448.142.camel@project-1.tamray.com> The load would be on the server. If we could get a 100Kb-200Kb upload, it would make for nice video. On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 15:00 -0500, Yaron wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2006, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > Anyone want to donate a satellite uplink? > > Hmmm... I wonder if we can do some kind of load-balancing using a bunch of > laptops using EGDE/GRPS via Bluetooth... > > > I haven't done model rockets in forEVER. I kinda miss it (: > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue May 9 15:42:13 2006 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Tripoli Minnesota's May Rocket Launch In-Reply-To: References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF34C@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Yaron wrote: > Hmmm... I wonder if we can do some kind of load-balancing using a bunch > of laptops using EGDE/GRPS via Bluetooth... > > I haven't done model rockets in forEVER. I kinda miss it (: If someone's got a Verizon phone with the V-Cast service, and it goes out that far, a single phone should be able to handle it.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue May 9 20:36:50 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:36:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql Message-ID: I have an OpenDocument spreadsheet file which I've been using as a very (very very) basic personal database, and I'm trying to expand some of the features (namely being able to bring up different sets of matching records at my whim). I've exported the data to a .csv text file but I'm at a loss as to how to parse the file to get it into the right format. I've been following http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/sql/mysql_course_inserting_data_in_mysql_tables.php3and the sample table works great. The author used a .dat text file with the data in this format; INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, email) values ("John", "Hagan", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 120000, 25000, " john_hagan at bignet.com"); INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, email) values ("Ganesh", "Pillai", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 110000, 20000, "g_pillai at bignet.com"); For me to do the same (for thousand of records by hand) is ludicrous and error-prone. But I'm not sure how I am to automate the process of separating each record and then pulling it back together into a 'INSERT INTO data () values ();' format. Any suggestions as to what to use? -jordan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been following > http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/sql/mysql_course_inserting_data_in_mysql_tables.php3and the sample table works great. The author used a .dat text file with the > data in this format; > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, > email) values ("John", "Hagan", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 120000, 25000, " > john_hagan at bignet.com"); > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, > email) values ("Ganesh", "Pillai", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 110000, > 20000, " g_pillai at bignet.com"); > > For me to do the same (for thousand of records by hand) is ludicrous and > error-prone. But I'm not sure how I am to automate the process of separating > each record and then pulling it back together into a 'INSERT INTO data () > values ();' format. > > Any suggestions as to what to use? > > -jordan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060509/a81a9616/attachment.htm From jkjones at tcq.net Tue May 9 21:22:03 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:22:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PC for the computer-illiterate? Message-ID: <44614E4B.60001@tcq.net> Comments? I'm working on salvaging an old broken Compaq PIII for a friend. After some hardware repairs (replacing the CD drive, and a true hack on the motherboard involving a Dremel tool and soldering iron) I'm now trying to get the original-equipment Windows ME running again. Spybot S&D found about 900 spyware objects and cookies, Ad-Aware subsequently found 1500, and AVG Anti-Virus is up to 125 trojans etc. and counting. I don't have the Windows restore disks (and there isn't a restore partition, either) -- or I would just wipe everything and reload. I'm thinking now -- maybe I'll just install Linux for him. My friend doesn't know anything at all about computers. He had a few photos on a CD that he wanted to view -- and I showed him how it could be done (with my Ubuntu laptop). He says he would use a computer for "research" -- but he doesn't have Internet access (yet). Games? I showed him Mahjongg on my computer & he was amazed. Tried to play Solitaire on the Compaq but Windows was too messed up. So I don't think he's going to be a hard-core gamer. He wants to get a digital camera, and he will need a computer to process his photos -- although he could just get prints directly from the memory card in the camera. On the other hand, I may get this thing limping along under Windows. It's slow, and there are error messages popping up constantly, but maybe it will work well enough to do the simple stuff we need. At this point, he doesn't know or care about pros and cons between Windows and Linux. I'm pondering which way to go. With either choice, I'll be glad to help him get started, but I don't want to hold his hand forever. Sooner or later he'll hear about some new thing he wants to try, and odds are that it will be a Windows app. I don't want to have to explain "you can't do that, because it's a Windows program, but maybe there's something like it..." Most of the "reading material" -- "___ for Dummies" and "Computers made Easy" stuff -- is geared to Windows, so it may be hard to get him off-line instruction. And, when I told him that this Compaq could be a hopeless case, he said he may just go get a new one, although I didn't like to hear that. He has a limited income and I'm trying to save him some money, by fixing this thing without putting much money into it. So -- I'm just looking for comments. What am I getting into? Anyone know of a good way to explain computers (Linux or Windows) to a complete newbie? Any words of wisdom are appreciated. Kraig From peter.chase at gmail.com Tue May 9 21:46:02 2006 From: peter.chase at gmail.com (Peter Chase) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:46:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SAN equipment In-Reply-To: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> References: <20060504154309.GA10808@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: I figure I'd better throw my 2 cents in too. I've used NetApp before. It does SAN (iSCSI & FC) and NAS (NFS & CIFS) all at the same time. Throw in 2 Qlogic iSCSI HBA's trunked and you get 2Gb of bandwidth with failover. -Pete On 5/4/06, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > > We may need to set up a small SAN, mostly to get more I/O bandwidth. > What are everybody's favourite HBAs and SAN boxes? > > -- > Sidney CAMMERESI > http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060509/ff7b32bd/attachment.htm From strayf at freeshell.org Tue May 9 21:48:36 2006 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:48:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060510024836.GA1779@crito> On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:17:28PM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Also, I have been googling for other methods or scripts; several described > php solutions, but I'm running mysql locally on my machine without php, and > the mysql command: > > LOAD DATA INFILE 'data.txt' INTO TABLE table2 FIELDS TERMINATED BY ','; > > merely responded with > > ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user'@'localhost' (using > password: YES) > Can you connect successfully from the command line? That error is just a simple permissions problem. -Steve From jkjones at tcq.net Tue May 9 21:47:24 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:47:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PC for the computer-illiterate? In-Reply-To: References: <44614E4B.60001@tcq.net> Message-ID: <4461543C.1010508@tcq.net> Jordan Peacock wrote: > I did this for my wife, an old pentium II Compaq. I threw on Ubuntu as > well (its what I use on my machine) and just had to take some time to > set up her particulars; thunderbird with her online courses was the > major hurdle. Similar to your situation, she doesn't game (although > she's developed a taste for frozen bubble) and once the initial > familiarity hurdle was leapt, she was off an away. Every now and again > she might ask me a question but for the most part things take care of > themselves. We've given away that machine to some friends now, and > I've just given her a user on my system. > > Even just giving him this email address (tclug one, not mine > personally) would be as good a reference for him if/when he ever gets > stuck trying to do something new. If his plans are as limited as your > say, I don't see any troubles whatsoever. > > -jordan Thanks for the comments, Jordan. Any idea what the new owners of your Ubuntu system thought of it? I'm afraid that at least for a while, my friend wouldn't even know the questions to ask if he did post on the tc-lug list. Kraig From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue May 9 21:59:40 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:59:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: PC for the computer-illiterate? In-Reply-To: References: <44614E4B.60001@tcq.net> <4461543C.1010508@tcq.net> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jordan Peacock Date: May 9, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PC for the computer-illiterate? To: Kraig Jones I gave them a 20-minute tour, and they have my number with orders to call over any questions, but haven't heard from them....so either that's a great sign, or maybe they haven't even turned it on yet! -jordan On 5/9/06, Kraig Jones wrote: > > Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > I did this for my wife, an old pentium II Compaq. I threw on Ubuntu as > > well (its what I use on my machine) and just had to take some time to > > set up her particulars; thunderbird with her online courses was the > > major hurdle. Similar to your situation, she doesn't game (although > > she's developed a taste for frozen bubble) and once the initial > > familiarity hurdle was leapt, she was off an away. Every now and again > > she might ask me a question but for the most part things take care of > > themselves. We've given away that machine to some friends now, and > > I've just given her a user on my system. > > > > Even just giving him this email address (tclug one, not mine > > personally) would be as good a reference for him if/when he ever gets > > stuck trying to do something new. If his plans are as limited as your > > say, I don't see any troubles whatsoever. > > > > -jordan > > Thanks for the comments, Jordan. Any idea what the new owners of your > Ubuntu system thought of it? > > I'm afraid that at least for a while, my friend wouldn't even know the > questions to ask if he did post on the tc-lug list. > > Kraig > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060509/8f2db9bd/attachment.htm From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue May 9 22:17:09 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:17:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060510031709.GB1981@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 08:36:50PM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote: > I have an OpenDocument spreadsheet file which I've been using as a very > (very very) basic personal database, and I'm trying to expand some of the > features (namely being able to bring up different sets of matching records > at my whim). I've had good luck with phpmyadmin. I've exported stuff out into a csv file, added and changed records, and imported them back in again. Fairly slick and I don't pretend to be a DBA at all! .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Tue May 9 23:07:02 2006 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:07:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: <20060510024836.GA1779@crito> References: <20060510024836.GA1779@crito> Message-ID: <446166E6.9050000@ip-wizard.com> Steve Cayford wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:17:28PM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote: > >>Also, I have been googling for other methods or scripts; several described >>php solutions, but I'm running mysql locally on my machine without php, and >>the mysql command: >> >>LOAD DATA INFILE 'data.txt' INTO TABLE table2 FIELDS TERMINATED BY ','; >> >>merely responded with >> >>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user'@'localhost' (using >>password: YES) >> > > > Can you connect successfully from the command line? That error is just a > simple permissions problem. > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Just to expand on that a little- from http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/load-data.html "For security reasons, when reading text files located on the server, the files must either reside in the database directory or be readable by all. Also, to use LOAD DATA INFILE on server files, you must have the FILE privilege. See Section 5.8.3, ?Privileges Provided by MySQL?." Could that be your issue? -- Pat From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Tue May 9 23:12:52 2006 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:12:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: <20060510024836.GA1779@crito> References: <20060510024836.GA1779@crito> Message-ID: <44616844.5050609@ip-wizard.com> Steve Cayford wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:17:28PM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote: > >>Also, I have been googling for other methods or scripts; several described >>php solutions, but I'm running mysql locally on my machine without php, and >>the mysql command: >> >>LOAD DATA INFILE 'data.txt' INTO TABLE table2 FIELDS TERMINATED BY ','; >> >>merely responded with >> >>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'user'@'localhost' (using >>password: YES) >> > > > Can you connect successfully from the command line? That error is just a > simple permissions problem. > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > You might also take a look at this: http://www.zettai.net/Forums/01/1051312395 -- Pat From jack at jacku.com Tue May 9 23:26:26 2006 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:26:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605092326.26511.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 8:36 pm, Jordan Peacock wrote: > I have an OpenDocument spreadsheet file which I've been using as a very > (very very) basic personal database, and I'm trying to expand some of the > features (namely being able to bring up different sets of matching records > at my whim). > > I've exported the data to a .csv text file but I'm at a loss as to how to > parse the file to get it into the right format. I've been following > http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/sql/mysql_course_inserting_data >_in_mysql_tables.php3and the sample table works great. The author used a > .dat text file with the > data in this format; > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, > email) values ("John", "Hagan", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 120000, 25000, > " john_hagan at bignet.com"); > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, perks, > email) values ("Ganesh", "Pillai", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 110000, > 20000, "g_pillai at bignet.com"); > > For me to do the same (for thousand of records by hand) is ludicrous and > error-prone. But I'm not sure how I am to automate the process of > separating each record and then pulling it back together into a 'INSERT > INTO data () values ();' format. > > Any suggestions as to what to use? > > -jordan Use your spreadsheet. If you've got the data organized correctly, and it sounds like you do, write a cell formula that results in the INSERT INTO ... lines you need. Clone the formula to all the rows. Select the results, copy and paste into your favorite GUI editor, save text file as import.sql. Then issue the command: mysql -u username -p database Kraig, The book "Point & Click Linux" (Mepis) by Robin 'Roblimo' Miller has a DVD that is really great. Can play it on your TV DVD player or DVD drive. The book also comes with a Mepis CD. HTH, Jerry W -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kraig Jones > Comments? > > I'm working on salvaging an old broken Compaq PIII for a friend. After > some hardware repairs (replacing the CD drive, and a true hack on the > motherboard involving a Dremel tool and soldering iron) I'm now trying > to get the original-equipment Windows ME running again. Spybot S&D > found about 900 spyware objects and cookies, Ad-Aware subsequently found > 1500, and AVG Anti-Virus is up to 125 trojans etc. and counting. I > don't have the Windows restore disks (and there isn't a restore > partition, either) -- or I would just wipe everything and reload. > > I'm thinking now -- maybe I'll just install Linux for him. My friend > doesn't know anything at all about computers. He had a few photos on a > CD that he wanted to view -- and I showed him how it could be done (with > my Ubuntu laptop). He says he would use a computer for "research" -- > but he doesn't have Internet access (yet). Games? I showed him > Mahjongg on my computer & he was amazed. Tried to play Solitaire on the > Compaq but Windows was too messed up. So I don't think he's going to > be a hard-core gamer. He wants to get a digital camera, and he will > need a computer to process his photos -- although he could just get > prints directly from the memory card in the camera. > > On the other hand, I may get this thing limping along under Windows. > It's slow, and there are error messages popping up constantly, but maybe > it will work well enough to do the simple stuff we need. > > At this point, he doesn't know or care about pros and cons between > Windows and Linux. I'm pondering which way to go. With either choice, > I'll be glad to help him get started, but I don't want to hold his hand > forever. Sooner or later he'll hear about some new thing he wants to > try, and odds are that it will be a Windows app. I don't want to have > to explain "you can't do that, because it's a Windows program, but maybe > there's something like it..." Most of the "reading material" -- "___ > for Dummies" and "Computers made Easy" stuff -- is geared to Windows, so > it may be hard to get him off-line instruction. > > And, when I told him that this Compaq could be a hopeless case, he said > he may just go get a new one, although I didn't like to hear that. He > has a limited income and I'm trying to save him some money, by fixing > this thing without putting much money into it. > > So -- I'm just looking for comments. What am I getting into? Anyone > know of a good way to explain computers (Linux or Windows) to a complete > newbie? Any words of wisdom are appreciated. > > Kraig > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed May 10 06:58:49 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:58:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PC for the computer-illiterate? In-Reply-To: <4461C2DA.8040508@comcast.net> References: <4461C2DA.8040508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1f729feb0605100458gf81d3fbq751c258f26bfa0f4@mail.gmail.com> I actually just did this for my brother and am in the process of doing it for my sister, with two late-'90s/early-00's Dells. (And I'm learning a lot about XFCE!) Anyway, one of the nice things about doing this sort of thing for the "computer illiterate" is that, IMHO, it seems to lead to fewer questions and frustrations and an easier learning curve, because their needs are much simpler, they're not going to try and mess with their system, and they have fewer Windows habits to unlearn. I set up the root account for me, a user account for my brother, put a panel with commonly used apps in the bottom-middle of the screen with big friendly-looking icons and tooltips, gave my brother a half-hour tour, and sent him on his merry way, and he's been doing just fine, in a month I haven't had one phone call. With the added bonus of feeling like I really did something worthwhile instead of wasting my afternoon cleaning out spyware! On 5/10/06, Jerry W wrote: > > Kraig, > > The book "Point & Click Linux" (Mepis) by Robin 'Roblimo' Miller has a > DVD that is really great. Can play it on your TV DVD player or DVD > drive. The book also comes with a Mepis CD. > > HTH, > > Jerry W > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Kraig Jones > > Comments? > > > > I'm working on salvaging an old broken Compaq PIII for a friend. After > > some hardware repairs (replacing the CD drive, and a true hack on the > > motherboard involving a Dremel tool and soldering iron) I'm now trying > > to get the original-equipment Windows ME running again. Spybot S&D > > found about 900 spyware objects and cookies, Ad-Aware subsequently found > > 1500, and AVG Anti-Virus is up to 125 trojans etc. and counting. I > > don't have the Windows restore disks (and there isn't a restore > > partition, either) -- or I would just wipe everything and reload. > > > > I'm thinking now -- maybe I'll just install Linux for him. My friend > > doesn't know anything at all about computers. He had a few photos on a > > CD that he wanted to view -- and I showed him how it could be done (with > > my Ubuntu laptop). He says he would use a computer for "research" -- > > but he doesn't have Internet access (yet). Games? I showed him > > Mahjongg on my computer & he was amazed. Tried to play Solitaire on the > > Compaq but Windows was too messed up. So I don't think he's going to > > be a hard-core gamer. He wants to get a digital camera, and he will > > need a computer to process his photos -- although he could just get > > prints directly from the memory card in the camera. > > > > On the other hand, I may get this thing limping along under Windows. > > It's slow, and there are error messages popping up constantly, but maybe > > it will work well enough to do the simple stuff we need. > > > > At this point, he doesn't know or care about pros and cons between > > Windows and Linux. I'm pondering which way to go. With either choice, > > I'll be glad to help him get started, but I don't want to hold his hand > > forever. Sooner or later he'll hear about some new thing he wants to > > try, and odds are that it will be a Windows app. I don't want to have > > to explain "you can't do that, because it's a Windows program, but maybe > > there's something like it..." Most of the "reading material" -- "___ > > for Dummies" and "Computers made Easy" stuff -- is geared to Windows, so > > it may be hard to get him off-line instruction. > > > > And, when I told him that this Compaq could be a hopeless case, he said > > he may just go get a new one, although I didn't like to hear that. He > > has a limited income and I'm trying to save him some money, by fixing > > this thing without putting much money into it. > > > > So -- I'm just looking for comments. What am I getting into? Anyone > > know of a good way to explain computers (Linux or Windows) to a complete > > newbie? Any words of wisdom are appreciated. > > > > Kraig > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060510/d7314479/attachment.htm From stauffer at usfamily.net Wed May 10 08:39:29 2006 From: stauffer at usfamily.net (Don Stauffer.) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:39:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? Message-ID: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> I've just installed Mandriva 2005LE on a spare computer- my first go at Linux. I'd like to get it on line. I have a DSL account, and a wireless DSL modem, so I have to get the Linux machine working with wireless. In modern Windows machines I have a wireless setup daemon accessible from the 'control panel'. Is there anything similar to that in Linux? For two of my windows machines I use a wireless transponder that plugs into a USB port. What do I need to use that with the Linux machine? I assume I need to install some sort of driver? How about if I use a PCI card wireless adapter/transponder. Can I get a Linux driver for any of those? -- Don Stauffer, Twin Cities of Minnesota --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From florin at iucha.net Wed May 10 09:11:48 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:11:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? In-Reply-To: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> References: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20060510141148.GA7905@iucha.net> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 08:39:29AM -0500, Don Stauffer. wrote: > I've just installed Mandriva 2005LE on a spare computer- my first go at > Linux. I'd like to get it on line. I have a DSL account, and a wireless > DSL modem, so I have to get the Linux machine working with wireless. In > modern Windows machines I have a wireless setup daemon accessible from > the 'control panel'. Is there anything similar to that in Linux? The very latest distributions of Linux (Fedora Core 5, Ubuntu 6.04 and Suse 10.x) have "Network Manager": a wizard that helps you set up the card, assuming you have the proper drivers installed. > For two of my windows machines I use a wireless transponder that plugs > into a USB port. What do I need to use that with the Linux machine? I > assume I need to install some sort of driver? How about if I use a PCI > card wireless adapter/transponder. Can I get a Linux driver for any of > those? Depending from the manufacturer and the date of production the effort ranges from impossible to merely extremely difficult. I do have a D-Link USB dongle that has three free software drivers (ralink), neither of which works with my choice of kernel and distribution. One driver was published by manufacturer and works on old kernels (2.6.10 or so), another is in constant rewrite and moved from one Softmac stack to another and the third has been abandoned. I remember some posts a few months ago that described USB dongles that people got working. The best thing would be to use those hints, search the web for updated information, and bring you machine and wireless hardware to the installfest on June 3rd. Somebody might be able to help you there. Sadly, the wireless situation in Linux is quite a mess. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060510/c5ee4026/attachment.pgp From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed May 10 09:15:09 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (Dave Alanis) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:15:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? Message-ID: <2006051014150994be4f05c7@mail.smumn.edu> How about if I use a PCI >card wireless adapter/transponder. Can I get a Linux driver for any of >those? > I am not farmiliar with Mandriva but in the control panel there you will see a network & internet icon that will allow you to set up your network card(s). It really should be plug & play, you might want to try all of the options you mentioned in your e-mail, to see if Mandriva will detect and set them up for you, If not, you may want to google around or ask for further help. "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From auditodd at comcast.net Wed May 10 09:51:59 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:51:59 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon XP vs MP? Message-ID: <051020061451.25171.4461FE0F00051E3B0000625322058844840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> I have a couple AMD Athlon XP processors sitting around collecting dust, I can't remember if they are the Palamino or the Thoroughbred. I do know they are 1.6GHz processors. Anyway, I was thinking that it would be fun to drop them onto a dual processor motherboard (if I can still find one) to replace my current 2x400MHzP2 Linux server motherboard. (4 times the speed, 4 times the fun!) My brief search for a dual processor MB has specified the Athlon MP for processors. Does anyone know if the XP can be installed in place of an MP processor and still work? From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu May 4 10:41:37 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:41:37 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Thanks much. -- ---- ------ Todd Young From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 10 10:02:49 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:02:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: <200605092326.26511.jack@jacku.com> References: <200605092326.26511.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: For the record, Steve Swantz & Cayfordhad it right - I didn't have the rights to use the LOAD INFILE command. That is working perfectly now, but it doesn't error check for me; I've got the perl script working as well and that does check (at least that there's something in each column). I've discovered a new problem however; OpenOffice, when saving to csv (tab or comma separated) skips over blank entries. As I see it, there are two ways to solve this; somehow make it add blank entries to the tab delimited file (as "" maybe?) or to add a question mark to every blank cell and import that (which I would be ok with; it would make searching for fields that I haven't checked easier). So far, OO.org tutorials and web searches are coming up blank. But the MySQL end is working beautifully now, and the perl script sets things up just right! I modified it a couple times, to try and get the hang of what was going on; thanks a lot Steve. -jordan On 5/9/06, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 May 2006 8:36 pm, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > I have an OpenDocument spreadsheet file which I've been using as a very > > (very very) basic personal database, and I'm trying to expand some of > the > > features (namely being able to bring up different sets of matching > records > > at my whim). > > > > I've exported the data to a .csv text file but I'm at a loss as to how > to > > parse the file to get it into the right format. I've been following > > > http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/sql/mysql_course_inserting_data > >_in_mysql_tables.php3and the sample table works great. The author used a > > .dat text file with the > > data in this format; > > > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, > perks, > > email) values ("John", "Hagan", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 120000, > 25000, > > " john_hagan at bignet.com"); > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, > perks, > > email) values ("Ganesh", "Pillai", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 110000, > > 20000, "g_pillai at bignet.com"); > > > > For me to do the same (for thousand of records by hand) is ludicrous and > > error-prone. But I'm not sure how I am to automate the process of > > separating each record and then pulling it back together into a 'INSERT > > INTO data () values ();' format. > > > > Any suggestions as to what to use? > > > > -jordan > > Use your spreadsheet. If you've got the data organized correctly, and it > sounds like you do, write a cell formula that results in the INSERT INTO > ... > lines you need. Clone the formula to all the rows. Select the results, > copy > and paste into your favorite GUI editor, save text file as import.sql. > Then > issue the command: > > mysql -u username -p database > Substitute appropriate values for username and database. Enter the > password at > the prompt and viola a database. No muss, no fuss. And the best part is if > you screw up you drop and start all over again. I used to use this > technique > all the time in web db app classes where the students started with data > from > some source that needed to be organized and then put into MySQL or > PostgreSQL. > > Good Luck! > Jack > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack at jacku.com > http://www.jacku.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060510/80638875/attachment-0001.htm From tclug at beitsahour.net Wed May 10 10:31:32 2006 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:31:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon XP vs MP? References: <051020061451.25171.4461FE0F00051E3B0000625322058844840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: auditodd at comcast.net writes: > My brief search for a dual processor MB has specified the Athlon MP for > processors. thats because MP stands for Multiple Processors > Does anyone know if the XP can be installed in place of an MP processor > and still work? > > From what I've been able to find so far, there doesn't appear to be any > difference. There is a very big difference, AMD has locked the XP models to NOT work in SMP. Now i have heard of motherboards that work around that lock, more commonly people have used the pencil trick to fool the motherboard(or the processor, dont remember which) into thinking that the processor is an MP. It goes something like this: using a pencil draw a line between point X and Y on your AthlonXP to make it an MP. Needless to say this will in fact void your warranty. So, no the XP will not work in SMP mode unless otherwise hacked. -- Munir Nassar From smac at visi.com Wed May 10 11:28:11 2006 From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:28:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? In-Reply-To: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> References: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1147278491.4462149b84c1e@my.visi.com> First look at http://www.mandriva.com/en/hardware Find a wireless PCI card that is supported and get that card. Sam. Quoting "Don Stauffer." : > I've just installed Mandriva 2005LE on a spare computer- my first go at > Linux. I'd like to get it on line. I have a DSL account, and a wireless > DSL modem, so I have to get the Linux machine working with wireless. In > modern Windows machines I have a wireless setup daemon accessible from > the 'control panel'. Is there anything similar to that in Linux? > > For two of my windows machines I use a wireless transponder that plugs > into a USB port. What do I need to use that with the Linux machine? I > assume I need to install some sort of driver? How about if I use a PCI > card wireless adapter/transponder. Can I get a Linux driver for any of > those? > > -- > Don Stauffer, Twin Cities of Minnesota > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 10 12:53:41 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:53:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csv import into mysql In-Reply-To: References: <200605092326.26511.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: Update: I'm talking to some folks at OOorg Forums http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t6302 Will keep mailinglist posted on attempts/solutions. -jordan On 5/10/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > For the record, Steve Swantz & Cayfordhad it right - I didn't have the > rights to use the LOAD INFILE command. That is working perfectly now, but it > doesn't error check for me; I've got the perl script working as well and > that does check (at least that there's something in each column). > > I've discovered a new problem however; OpenOffice, when saving to csv (tab > or comma separated) skips over blank entries. As I see it, there are two > ways to solve this; somehow make it add blank entries to the tab delimited > file (as "" maybe?) or to add a question mark to every blank cell and import > that (which I would be ok with; it would make searching for fields that I > haven't checked easier). > > So far, OO.org tutorials and web searches are coming up blank. But the > MySQL end is working beautifully now, and the perl script sets things up > just right! I modified it a couple times, to try and get the hang of what > was going on; thanks a lot Steve. > > -jordan > > > On 5/9/06, Jack Ungerleider < jack at jacku.com> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 09 May 2006 8:36 pm, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > I have an OpenDocument spreadsheet file which I've been using as a > > very > > > (very very) basic personal database, and I'm trying to expand some of > > the > > > features (namely being able to bring up different sets of matching > > records > > > at my whim). > > > > > > I've exported the data to a .csv text file but I'm at a loss as to how > > to > > > parse the file to get it into the right format. I've been following > > > > > http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/sql/mysql_course_inserting_data > > >_in_mysql_tables.php3and the sample table works great. The author used > > a > > > .dat text file with the > > > data in this format; > > > > > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, > > perks, > > > email) values ("John", "Hagan", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 120000, > > 25000, > > > " john_hagan at bignet.com"); > > > INSERT INTO employee_data (f_name, l_name, title, age, yos, salary, > > perks, > > > email) values ("Ganesh", "Pillai", "Senior Programmer", 32, 4, 110000, > > > > > 20000, "g_pillai at bignet.com"); > > > > > > For me to do the same (for thousand of records by hand) is ludicrous > > and > > > error-prone. But I'm not sure how I am to automate the process of > > > separating each record and then pulling it back together into a > > 'INSERT > > > INTO data () values ();' format. > > > > > > Any suggestions as to what to use? > > > > > > -jordan > > > > Use your spreadsheet. If you've got the data organized correctly, and it > > sounds like you do, write a cell formula that results in the INSERT INTO > > ... > > lines you need. Clone the formula to all the rows. Select the results, > > copy > > and paste into your favorite GUI editor, save text file as import.sql. > > Then > > issue the command: > > > > mysql -u username -p database > > > Substitute appropriate values for username and database. Enter the > > password at > > the prompt and viola a database. No muss, no fuss. And the best part is > > if > > you screw up you drop and start all over again. I used to use this > > technique > > all the time in web db app classes where the students started with data > > from > > some source that needed to be organized and then put into MySQL or > > PostgreSQL. > > > > Good Luck! > > Jack > > > > -- > > Jack Ungerleider > > jack at jacku.com > > http://www.jacku.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspect someone got paid. ;) On 4/13/06, Ed Wilts wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 11:52:02AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > > Who's already seen this? > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ > > > > It seems that D-Link has hard-coded a list of Stratum 1 time-servers > > into their consumer devices, and they are not admitting any > > responsibility for mis-use. There are some very unhappy system > > administrators right now, and some talk of a boycott. > [cut] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060511/fcec4744/attachment.htm From jkjones at tcq.net Thu May 11 08:43:07 2006 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:43:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PC for the computer-illiterate? In-Reply-To: <4461C2DA.8040508@comcast.net> References: <4461C2DA.8040508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44633F6B.7060100@tcq.net> Jerry W wrote: >Kraig, > >The book "Point & Click Linux" (Mepis) by Robin 'Roblimo' Miller has a >DVD that is really great. Can play it on your TV DVD player or DVD >drive. The book also comes with a Mepis CD. > >HTH, > >Jerry W > > > Thanks, Jerry. I like the idea of a book with a DVD that can be played on a TV. I couldn't find the book at the bookstore, 'tho I suppose I could order it and get it in a day or two. I've decided to repartition the drive, leaving the Windows ME and adding a partition for Linux. I happened to have a Mandriva DVD which I'm trying to install now. The "live" version seemed to work fine, it looked like an easy-to-use distribution. I'm having some trouble with the installation. It goes through "Copying files..." (to the hard disk), but now the installation status window is blank, the DVD is spinning, the hard disk light is blinking, but nothing more appears to be happening after 30 minutes or so. Have to see what happens, I guess. Or give up and try Mepis or Ubuntu. Kraig From erikerik at gmail.com Thu May 11 10:10:53 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:10:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] D-Link NTP Abuse In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70605110324q42135c7ew820eca5f00ec260a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060413165202.GB17960@fireopal.org> <20060413212827.GA9600@www.ewilts.org> <7d3948c70605110324q42135c7ew820eca5f00ec260a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/11/06, Matthew Johnson wrote: > So I checked out the link today and saw this > > "D-Link and Poul-Henning Kamp announced today that they have amicably > resolved their dispute regarding access to Mr. Kamp's GPS.Dix.dk > NTP Time Server site." > > Anyone know the whole story? I suspect someone got paid. ;) Hrm - interesting. I'm glad that they "worked it out". Doesn't change the fact, though, that I've been avoiding D-Link like the plague. I recently switched from a D-Link router/AP at home to a Linksys WRT54GL running DD-WRT...what an awesome combination. Good riddance, D-Link. -Erik From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 11 14:06:10 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:06:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Linux, Windows, and the iPod In-Reply-To: <445F63CF.2060108@cems.umn.edu> References: <445E5B8B.5050107@metnet.edu> <445F63CF.2060108@cems.umn.edu> Message-ID: <44638B22.60602@metnet.edu> I think I figured out what's wrong with my iPod. Turns out the iPod works just fine on other machines, just not mine. I hooked up an old USB MP3 player/ext. hard drive, and it has the exact same effect on Windows that my iPod now does. For some reason my computer has some anger management issues it needs to work out with Breezy Badger CDs ordered from Ubuntu's website, so I grabbed a .iso of the LiveCD off BitTorrent, and I now have a reliable LiveCD of Ubuntu 5.10. After plugging my iPod into the LiveCD environment, it was just as non-functional as it is in Windows; only Linux is made of stronger stuff, so it didn't crash like Windows does. An old USB mouse of mine works fine, so I'm guessing that my USB issues apply only to mass storage devices. I have about 30 gigs worth of crap that I need to back up before I can move to Linux, and my 60 gig iPod is really the only thing I have that can get the job done. If any of you know of any diagnostic tools or methods I can run to check the state of my USB ports, either in Windows or the Ubuntu 5.10 LiveCD, please let me know. I hate my Windows installation, and have a burning desire to kick it in the gonads with the steel-toed boot of Linux. A fully functional iPod will allow me to make that burning desire a reality. From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu May 11 16:12:24 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:12:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru Message-ID: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, My company is trying to expand our service to our customers and part of that has involved setting up virtual machines for our customers. We have a number of services that we provide on each virtual machine that go beyond the normal web server type of hosting solutions. I need a way to map hostnames to a virtual server behind the NAT firewall and forward ports through the firewall. The catch is that all the servers will be running services on the same ports. I know with Apache you can use virtual hosts this way, but I don't know of a way to do this with apps such as ssh. So is there a way to forward the same ports to several NAT hosts using only one public IP address based on the hostname? For example: "ssh hosta.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.10 "ssh hostb.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.11 Both hosta and hostb share the same public IP. Thanks, Eric From rwh at visi.com Thu May 11 17:23:41 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4463B96D.7090702@visi.com> AFAIK, the short answer is no, although you could set up an incoming mapping so that different ports would connect to ssh on different virtual hosts, i.e. "ssh -p 710 hosta.example.com" would connect you to ssh on 192.168.1.10 "ssh -p 711 hostb.example.com" would connect you to ssh on 192.168.1.11 --rick Eric Peterson wrote: > Hi all, > > My company is trying to expand our service to our customers and part > of that has involved setting up virtual machines for our customers. We > have a number of services that we provide on each virtual machine that > go beyond the normal web server type of hosting solutions. > > I need a way to map hostnames to a virtual server behind the NAT > firewall and forward ports through the firewall. The catch is that all > the servers will be running services on the same ports. I know with > Apache you can use virtual hosts this way, but I don't know of a way > to do this with apps such as ssh. > > So is there a way to forward the same ports to several NAT hosts using > only one public IP address based on the hostname? > > For example: > > "ssh hosta.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.10 > "ssh hostb.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.11 > > Both hosta and hostb share the same public IP. > > Thanks, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Thu May 11 17:27:26 2006 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:27:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Jack Ungerleider Message-ID: <4463BA4E.9060004@comcast.net> Jack, I know your a big user of SuSE. Is the most recent download SUSE Linux 10.1 a good one? Jerry W From tclug at beitsahour.net Thu May 11 17:53:13 2006 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:53:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Eric Peterson writes: > Hi all, > > My company is trying to expand our service to our customers and part > of that has involved setting up virtual machines for our customers. We > have a number of services that we provide on each virtual machine that > go beyond the normal web server type of hosting solutions. > > I need a way to map hostnames to a virtual server behind the NAT > firewall and forward ports through the firewall. The catch is that all > the servers will be running services on the same ports. I know with > Apache you can use virtual hosts this way, but I don't know of a way > to do this with apps such as ssh. > > So is there a way to forward the same ports to several NAT hosts using > only one public IP address based on the hostname? > > For example: > > "ssh hosta.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.10 > "ssh hostb.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.11 > > Both hosta and hostb share the same public IP. short answer: this cannot be done. use multiple external IPs or ports. what you can do though is something like this: the person who needs access to hosta.example.com comes from a.b.c.d, using some iptables magic you forward that person onto 192.168.1.10. the person who needs access to hostb.example.com comes from f.g.h.i and iptables forwards that person onto 192.168.1.11 something like(warning untested): iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s -d --dport 22 -j DNAT --to-destnation -- Munir Nassar From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 11 19:18:42 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:18:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] In need of PCI USB card Message-ID: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> Anyone know of any types of PCI USB cards that work well under Linux? My built in ports appear to be posessed by Satan, and I've run out of patience with them. Anything that's relatively cheap, supports USB 2.0, and works with Linux without inducing a migraine would be great. If any of you out there have such a card and would like to get rid of it, please send me an e-mail with details on the card, along with how much you would be willing to sell it for. From thecubic at thecubic.net Thu May 11 19:44:27 2006 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:44:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] In need of PCI USB card In-Reply-To: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> References: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <1627.163.231.6.68.1147394667.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net> On Thu, May 11, 2006 7:18 pm, Matt Waters wrote: > Anyone know of any types of PCI USB cards that work well under Linux? For basically any card you find: it works with Linux. That said - many times USB problems are actually interrupt contention issues in disguise. I use a 4+1 porter from NewEgg and it works great. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Carlson thecubic at thecubic.net From florin at iucha.net Thu May 11 20:14:57 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] In need of PCI USB card In-Reply-To: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> References: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> Message-ID: <20060512011457.GD7905@iucha.net> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 07:18:42PM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > Anyone know of any types of PCI USB cards that work well under Linux? My > built in ports appear to be posessed by Satan, and I've run out of > patience with them. > > Anything that's relatively cheap, supports USB 2.0, and works with Linux > without inducing a migraine would be great. If any of you out there have > such a card and would like to get rid of it, please send me an e-mail > with details on the card, along with how much you would be willing to > sell it for. I have bought a CompUSA PCI USB 2.0 card which works under Solaris/Sparc as well. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060511/9b24b81a/attachment.pgp From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu May 11 21:34:29 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:34:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru In-Reply-To: References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30605111934r64411189y65f94d39be53765@mail.gmail.com> I suspected this wasn't possible, but since I'm not a guru I thought I'd ask anyway. I think I convinced the "man" to fork out the dough (it's not that much, unless you're my boss ;) ) for the public IP block so we should be OK. Thanks for the ideas/feedback. -Eric From wate0155 at metnet.edu Thu May 11 21:40:16 2006 From: wate0155 at metnet.edu (Matt Waters) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:40:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] In need of PCI USB card In-Reply-To: <20060512011457.GD7905@iucha.net> References: <4463D462.1080800@metnet.edu> <20060512011457.GD7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <4463F590.6080600@metnet.edu> Thanks for the advice, guys. My new PCI USB card is on its way from Newegg. Cost me less than I thought it would, too. =) From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu May 11 21:53:41 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:53:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147402421.16998.27.camel@iwill> The following 3 commands are what I use to redirect a port to an internal machine behind my firewall. I have used the same basic form for rerouting port 8080 to port 80 on a machine behind my firewall, plus routed things to a terminal server behind the firewall. \ The following example is to route any request from the outside to port 1025 to port 22 on an internal machine (ssh port). I am guessing there is a way to do it for a specific IP address as well .. but I do not use that feature. $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp -j ACCEPT --dport 1025 -m state --state NEW $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 1025 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.99:22 $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i INET_IFACE -d 172.16.5.47 --dport 1025 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 These commands were taken from a working iptables file and they have been tested numerous times and work. Hope this helps you do what you need to do. Randy On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 16:12 -0500, Eric Peterson wrote: > Hi all, > > My company is trying to expand our service to our customers and part > of that has involved setting up virtual machines for our customers. We > have a number of services that we provide on each virtual machine that > go beyond the normal web server type of hosting solutions. > > I need a way to map hostnames to a virtual server behind the NAT > firewall and forward ports through the firewall. The catch is that all > the servers will be running services on the same ports. I know with > Apache you can use virtual hosts this way, but I don't know of a way > to do this with apps such as ssh. > > So is there a way to forward the same ports to several NAT hosts using > only one public IP address based on the hostname? > > For example: > > "ssh hosta.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.10 > "ssh hostb.example.com" would connect you to 192.168.1.11 > > Both hosta and hostb share the same public IP. > > Thanks, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu May 11 23:04:00 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:04:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? In-Reply-To: <1819595.1147271018775.JavaMail.root@sniper2> References: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> <1819595.1147271018775.JavaMail.root@sniper2> Message-ID: <200605112304.01089.jus@krytosvirus.com> > Sadly, the wireless situation in Linux is quite a mess. > > florin Yes. Hardware vendors are getting less and less interested in non Windows platforms. Some good resources for wifi hardware: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html http://www.vendorwatch.org/index.php?title=Main_Page Lets not forget about OpenBSD's efforts for expanding openess among hardware vendors: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6550 http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 From diebywire at gmail.com Thu May 11 23:27:20 2006 From: diebywire at gmail.com (Max Eper) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:27:20 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question Message-ID: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> I've been using VNC over SSH for a while so that I can be a friend's help desk - set his cable modem router to forward 22 and away we go. I'd like to be able to do the same to connect to my home machine while traveling, but it's behind two (NAT) cable modem routers, with 22 going to a machine behind the first router, and my personal computer behind another router which is downstream of the first router. Here's an ASCII masterpiece - hope you're monospaced: WAN -> NAT1 -> Public_Server | -> NAT2 -> Home_1 | -> Home_2 NAT2 is not sending any RIP info upstream, FWIW. If I set the second router (NAT2) to forward 22 to Home_1, I could then SSH to Public_Server, and from there, SSH to NAT2 which would forward to Home_1. (I specifically do not want to forward all 22 traffic from the net straight thru to the internal private network.) I'm stumped as to how to do a 'VNC two-step' to get to Home_1 from the outside using this setup. Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance, Max From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri May 12 08:08:35 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:08:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2006, Max Eper wrote: > I've been using VNC over SSH for a while so that I can be a friend's > help desk - set his cable modem router to forward 22 and away we go. I have *no idea* what you're talking about. Right. ;) > Here's an ASCII masterpiece - hope you're monospaced: Great line. :D > I'm stumped as to how to do a 'VNC two-step' to get to Home_1 from the > outside using this setup. Any help appreciated. I'm thinking... yourbox$ ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 Public_Server Public_Server$ ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 Home_1 I've not tested this. At all. Well, wait a second... (*clickity click click click*) I've tested this in a similar environment (the "Public_Server" and "Home_1" machines are on the same LAN, but it should suffice) and found it to work. Woo hoo! :) Jima From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri May 12 08:51:09 2006 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:51:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0605120651nacde6f7g20eb06d8b2d22b0@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/06, Max Eper wrote: > I'd like to be able to do the same to connect to my home machine while > traveling, but it's behind two (NAT) cable modem routers, with 22 > going to a machine behind the first router, and my personal computer > behind another router which is downstream of the first router. Ok, let's throw some IP addresses on these to get an example going. WAN - 1.1.1.1 NAT1 - 192.168.1.0/24 NAT2 - 10.1.1.0/24 NAT2 interface IP on NAT1- 192.168.1.254 Home_1 - 10.1.1.1 Start by picking a new port number other than 22 (2222 is my preference, YMMV) on the NAT1 router, map 1.1.1.1:2222 to 192.168.1.254:2222 On the NAT2 router, map 192.168.1.254:2222 to 10.1.1.1:22 When you SSH to WAN:2222, it *SHOULD* SSH you into Home_1:22. I haven't tested this, but I'd at least start there. -Brian From rwh at visi.com Fri May 12 08:51:53 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:51:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30605111934r64411189y65f94d39be53765@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd30605111934r64411189y65f94d39be53765@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <446492F9.9090601@visi.com> One option that came to mind last night was the possibility of rewriting the packet based on the source address. If you can lock each client down to a block of source addresses, IPTABLE could change the destination address to point to whichever virtual ip was appropriate. --rick Eric Peterson wrote: > I suspected this wasn't possible, but since I'm not a guru I thought > I'd ask anyway. > > I think I convinced the "man" to fork out the dough (it's not that > much, unless you're my boss ;) ) for the public IP block so we should > be OK. > > Thanks for the ideas/feedback. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From srcfoo at gmail.com Fri May 12 08:53:15 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:53:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need networking guru In-Reply-To: <1147402421.16998.27.camel@iwill> References: <579c6fd30605111412j51f06e71td132a8c54702a8fc@mail.gmail.com> <1147402421.16998.27.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <579c6fd30605120653g6383099ch237f0364584a5104@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/06, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > The following 3 commands are what I use to redirect a port to an > internal machine behind my firewall. I have used the same basic form > for rerouting port 8080 to port 80 on a machine behind my firewall, plus > routed things to a terminal server behind the firewall. \ > > The following example is to route any request from the outside to port > 1025 to port 22 on an internal machine (ssh port). I am guessing there > is a way to do it for a specific IP address as well .. but I do not use > that feature. > > $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp -j ACCEPT --dport 1025 -m state --state NEW > > $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 1025 -j DNAT --to > 192.168.1.99:22 > > $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i INET_IFACE -d 172.16.5.47 --dport > 1025 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.99:22 > > These commands were taken from a working iptables file and they have > been tested numerous times and work. > > Hope this helps you do what you need to do. > > Randy Hi Randy, Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately a simple port forwarding is not what I was looking for. I needed something that could route based on hostname. So far, I don't think this is possible. So what I will be doing instead is getting a block of IP addresses and adding those IPs as aliases to my firewall's external IF. Then I will be doing a one-to-one NAT. It seems like a waste of IPs but managing 60 IPs will be easier then trying to keep track of 60 x 6 ports per host if I tried to forward different ports for every host. Thanks anyways! -Eric From rwh at visi.com Fri May 12 09:47:06 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:47:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44649FEA.3080205@visi.com> I do something similar to get to my work machine via my isp. I wanted to lock access down to a single ip address but my cable modem has been changing ip's every day or two. I don't have the script here so I'm going from memory. I open an ssh session to the isp and then set up a local redirection from my machine to my work machine's ssh service. Then I set up an ssh session from the local machine to the redirected port to my work machine through the isp's machine. That second connection contains the local redirection from local port 1993 to the imap server on the work machine at 993. If someone hasn't posted a better explanation before I get home I'll post the script. --rick Max Eper wrote: > I've been using VNC over SSH for a while so that I can be a friend's > help desk - set his cable modem router to forward 22 and away we go. > > I'd like to be able to do the same to connect to my home machine while > traveling, but it's behind two (NAT) cable modem routers, with 22 > going to a machine behind the first router, and my personal computer > behind another router which is downstream of the first router. > > Here's an ASCII masterpiece - hope you're monospaced: > > WAN -> NAT1 -> Public_Server > | > -> NAT2 -> Home_1 > | > -> Home_2 > > NAT2 is not sending any RIP info upstream, FWIW. > > If I set the second router (NAT2) to forward 22 to Home_1, I could > then SSH to Public_Server, and from there, SSH to NAT2 which would > forward to Home_1. (I specifically do not want to forward all 22 > traffic from the net straight thru to the internal private network.) > > I'm stumped as to how to do a 'VNC two-step' to get to Home_1 from the > outside using this setup. Any help appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Max > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Fri May 12 10:59:33 2006 From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( ) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:59:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/11/06, Max Eper wrote: > I'd like to be able to do the same to connect to my home machine while > traveling, but it's behind two (NAT) cable modem routers, with 22 > going to a machine behind the first router, and my personal computer > behind another router which is downstream of the first router. > > I'm stumped as to how to do a 'VNC two-step' to get to Home_1 from the > outside using this setup. Any help appreciated. Jima's post is the way I would normally do it, but since OpenSSH 4.3 has some new features, lets take a look at a different way to solve this problem. SSH can now set up a tun(4) device between the client and server. So, you would ssh to Public_Server, and after authentication you get a tun1 (or the next availible tun device) set up on your system, which can then be configured to have an IP address on that network. Then just set up NAT2 to forward 5900 to Home_1. After doing the ssh,you should have something that configures the tun device, and set up a route. Then you just vnc directly to NAT2. Ok, its overkill for this application, but maybe someone else will think of a good place to use this new feature of OpenSSH. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From random at argle.org Fri May 12 11:12:07 2006 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:12:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? In-Reply-To: <200605112304.01089.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> <1819595.1147271018775.JavaMail.root@sniper2> <200605112304.01089.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: <4464B3D7.4090801@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Justin Krejci wrote: >>Sadly, the wireless situation in Linux is quite a mess. >> >>florin > > > Yes. Hardware vendors are getting less and less interested in non Windows > platforms. > This situation hasn't budged significantly for years. At least since 2004 or therabouts you can, sometimes, get a salesdroid at a non-Linux targeted hardware company that doesn't just give you an awkward pause when you say "Linux support". The answer is still usually "no", but at least now they understand the question. I'm quite glad that there are entrepreneurs daring to venture into the Linux+BSD hardware space and give Windows users the same answer, maybe we'll get some daring soul to do that in the wireless space, but the margins there are thin enough that I'm not holding my breath. - -- Daniel Taylor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEZLPX8/QSptFdBtURAmu+AJwMIkFI6XryfNQKt0NtQ1Rma/t7JgCcDZy4 /peWxN0+V9yVtSz8RDpu5yg= =OoHL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri May 12 11:20:54 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605121620.k4CGKsg31137@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 73gb 68pin drive and misc -Quantum Atlas 10kII 73gb drive...$70 ---i low level formated it, ran Maxtor test on it, and installed XP on it for testing purposes -Chatworth 2 Post rack...$20 -2 adaptec pci 80mbps raid card aaa-131u2...$5ea -NIB, Dazzle usb 2.0 xD & Smart Media reader/writer...$5 -NIB, Prime eripherals 56k pci modem...$2 -64mb dimm, unbuffered, non-ecc, EDO, Kingston ktm0326/64 ce -Diamond Savage 4 sdram agp 16mb.....$8 -Sound Blaster PCI 512...$5 -ATI AGP 9250 8x 128mb, svhs, dvi...$20 -Sound Blaster Live 24bit...$make offer... -HP JetDirect 600n j3111a, bnc, local talk, & rj-45 connectors...$50 -matched pair of pIII 500 (pc 100 bus) slot one cpu's w/ heat sink..$12 -pIII slot one 550 cpu w/ noisy heatsink/fan...$8 -pII350 slot one cpu..$1 -Xircom pcmcia 10/100 nic & 56k modem (real poart cardbus ethernet 10/100+5modem 56 rbem56g-100)..$10 -D-link dfe-503tx+ pci 10/100 network card, new in box...$5 -smc easy card 10/100 pci, new in box...$5 -Untested Dell PowerEdge Raid II Perc cards, w/ 16mb ram, & battery backup...$10 -Comaq ps2 keyboard..$1 -floppy drives..$1ea -Free ribbon cables, pc tel 56k win modems w/ any purchase WTB: -512mb pc2700, -64mb EDO, ECC, 72pin dimm, unbuffered Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From andyzib at gmail.com Fri May 12 13:14:33 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:14:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie- Wireless setup? In-Reply-To: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> References: <4461ED11.4020304@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Don, If you're USB adapter is supported in linux, it should "just work." You should be able to check the output of dmesg to see if the hotplug system found your USB network adapter and the driver for it. A quick google search should tell you if your USB network adapter works in Linux. In general, Linux doesn't view a wireless network adapter any differently than a normal network adapter. Just need to add SSID and your WPA info and you're off and running. Before purchasing hardware, start by searching. http://www.google.com/linux Keep in mind you'll usually pay a little more for hardware that works in Linux. Before you gawk at the price tags, keep in mind you usually get better quality hardware. :) I recently purchased two PC Cads from CDW. Cisco Aironet 802.11a/b/g Wireless CardBus Adapter (CDW part #578730) Proxim ORiNOCO 11b/g PC Card Gold (CDW part #634350) Both work like a champ in Linux. Proxim has a PCI card that should work as well. When shopping and checking compatiblity, avoid cards that use ndiswrapper if you can, as these cards don't have real Linux drivers. ndiswrapper lets you use the ndis drivers in Linux. ndis drivers are usually used for performing network operating system installations. Many people have had success with ndiswrapper, but I perfer to support hardware vendors that are Linux friendly. :) Another option I've used in the past is to get a Wireless Ethernet Bridge. These devices are commonly sold to XBox, TiVo, PlayStation2, and others who have a device with an ethernet card but no wireless support. I think they are great solutions for a Linux desktop. I reccomend the Moterola Wireless Ethernet Bridge WE800G or SMC EZ Connect g SMCWEBT-G. These are the only devices I've found that support WPA encryption. Setting up these bridges is easy. You set your ethernet card to a static IP, pull up the devices web config, enter the info for your wireless network, save. Then configure your ethernet card for DHCP again and you're off and running on your wireless network. I use these at work because we have technology impared customers who have laptops but not wireless cards. Instead of loaning them a wireless card which they may not be able to install drivers for, we give them the bridge device and they are off and running on our guest wireless network. Slick! You can also connect the bridge to a swich and connect mutiple clients to the swich and you'll be off and running. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From diebywire at gmail.com Fri May 12 14:36:42 2006 From: diebywire at gmail.com (Max Eper) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:36:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0605120651nacde6f7g20eb06d8b2d22b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5257e8cd0605112127h50d2264dob37af421d2662e7c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0605120651nacde6f7g20eb06d8b2d22b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5257e8cd0605121236u74fea50em26169b1a1aa701a3@mail.gmail.com> Guys Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give them a try and post the results when I have chance to hit my network from the outside. Max From ESAMUEL1 at Fairview.org Fri May 12 11:37:13 2006 From: ESAMUEL1 at Fairview.org (Samuel, Eugene) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] "Code Breakers" will be aired on BBC World TV starting on 10 May 2006. Message-ID: Greeting All, Does anyon have more information about this program? "A two-part documentary, "Code Breakers" will be aired on BBC World TV starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and interviews from around the world. " Business Analyst II University of Minnesota Medical Center & University of Minnesota Children's Hospital Esamuel1 at Fairview.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060512/665f4912/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 15347 bytes Desc: ./Business Analyst II-12bookman_files/image001.gif Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060512/665f4912/attachment-0001.gif From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri May 12 15:13:44 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:13:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FC5 - raid/LVM boot issue Message-ID: <1147464824.16998.53.camel@iwill> Ok ... I had posted awhile back about how to get a FC5 system setup for raid 1 with LVM. I thought I had it. I installed everything started out by defining identical partitions (type raid), then created the raid partitions and mount points, then created the LVM with a mount point of / Now ... it came up, ran fine, had to be rebooted for some reason, then when it came up that time it would not boot. I fixed one shortcoming in the /etc/grub/grub.conf file ... it was not pointing to /md0 as the boot partition. So now .. it boots fine, but when it goes to locate /proc, /sys, and a couple other locations it runs into the problem of NOT being able to find them. It does find the LVM ... saying it has located it, but ... then it can not find those other locations that it needs information from. grub.conf shown below: default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core 5 (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp ro root=/dev/md0 rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp.img Like I said above, it does find the /boot partition now, but once it gets past this file it seems to choke. I have the feeling I need something in my fstab to make this all work? LABEL=/VolGroup00/LOGVol00/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 Now ... /dev/md2 and /dev/md3 do not show up here and they are what make up LogVol00 ... Any suggestions or thoughts? I have searched the web extensively and I can find the same error repeating itself along the way for others, but no CLEAR solution to it. I need to get this system back up and booting so I can use it for work ... sooooo ... any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks in advance ... Randy. From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri May 12 16:21:04 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:21:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FC5 - raid/LVM boot issue In-Reply-To: <1147464824.16998.53.camel@iwill> References: <1147464824.16998.53.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <1147468864.16998.59.camel@iwill> Damn ... I went through all of this too soon. But, I will get it into the archives in the event anyone else runs into this problem. *shakes head* I must say, things like this are the reason more people do not convert to Linux ... no don't flame me for that comment. The following link shows the solution. I did not have the same verbatim error message discussed below, but I knew the problem was with how the / point was being mounted. So I gave it a go and it worked. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php? t=433048&highlight=error+mounting+%2Fproc I pasted the text below in the event that thread disappears, then the text of that message can be found here. The following was taken from the link above - they deserve credit for the solution. ++++++++ solution posted below ++++++++++ Here's the fix ________________________________________________________________________ After almost giving up on Fedora 5, I finally got the fix to this problem. The suspend signature on swap error, "Trying to resume from LABEL=SWAP- hdd3. No suspend signature on swap, not resuming", can be ignored. It gives this error because when the volumes are activated (look at the output previous to this error), it resumes the swap partition in that step. Therefore, it's trying to resume something that isn't suspended. The error that causes all the trouble is "mount: could not find filesystem '/dev/root'". Appartently, in the init script within initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img, the command 'mount /sysroot' is trying to mount /dev/root to /sysroot. Fedora 5 does not use /dev/root like in the previous versions of Fedora. Instead, it uses '/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00' or '/dev/hda1' (or whereever '/' is located) to mount to /sysroot. For some reason, when init calls 'mount /sysroot', it's trying to mount /dev/root to /sysroot, instead of /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 to /sysroot. This messes up everything after this step in the init process. When it does a switchroot at the end, it fails. After killing init, it causes the kernel panic. Here's the fix: 1) Boot with the rescue CD 2) Type 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' (wherever it mounts the Fedora 5 partition) 3) 'cd /boot' 4) 'mkdir newinit' 5) 'cd newinit' 6) 'gunzip -c ../initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img | cpio -idmv' 7) 'vi init' 8) Find 'mount /sysroot' (near the end of the file) 9) Delete or comment this out 10) Replace with 'mount -o defaults --ro -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /sysroot' where /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 is the mount point for / 11) ':wq' out of vi 12) 'find . | cpio --quiet -c -o >../newinitrd' 13) 'cd ..' - you are now in /boot 14) 'mv initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.bak' - backup current initrd img file (just in case) 15) 'gzip -9 < newinitrd > initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img' 16) Reboot the computer without the CD * Steps 4-6,12,13,15 were taken from another site, but I couldn't post the URL. I'll try in my next post. This should fix it. I'm glad I can finally run Fedora 5 on my box. On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:13 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok ... I had posted awhile back about how to get a FC5 system setup for > raid 1 with LVM. I thought I had it. I installed everything started > out by defining identical partitions (type raid), then created the raid > partitions and mount points, then created the LVM with a mount point > of / > > Now ... it came up, ran fine, had to be rebooted for some reason, then > when it came up that time it would not boot. > > I fixed one shortcoming in the /etc/grub/grub.conf file ... it was not > pointing to /md0 as the boot partition. > > So now .. it boots fine, but when it goes to locate /proc, /sys, and a > couple other locations it runs into the problem of NOT being able to > find them. It does find the LVM ... saying it has located it, but ... > then it can not find those other locations that it needs information > from. > > grub.conf shown below: > > default=0 > timeout=5 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > hiddenmenu > title Fedora Core 5 (2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp ro root=/dev/md0 rhgb quiet > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5smp.img > > > Like I said above, it does find the /boot partition now, but once it > gets past this file it seems to choke. I have the feeling I need > something in my fstab to make this all work? > > LABEL=/VolGroup00/LOGVol00/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > Now ... /dev/md2 and /dev/md3 do not show up here and they are what make > up LogVol00 ... > > Any suggestions or thoughts? I have searched the web extensively and I > can find the same error repeating itself along the way for others, but > no CLEAR solution to it. > > I need to get this system back up and booting so I can use it for > work ... sooooo ... any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > > Thanks in advance ... Randy. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri May 12 17:26:14 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:26:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] "Code Breakers" will be aired on BBC World TV starting on 10 May 2006. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Samuel, Eugene wrote: > Greeting All, > Does anyon have more information about this program? > > "A two-part documentary, "Code Breakers" will be aired on BBC World TV > starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries > are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and > interviews from around the world. " There's always this: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+breakers%22+foss+bbc And Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/05/10/1118213.shtml But I'll bet you would like to know if it will be playing on a cable channel that you get. I'd like to know that too. When I get home I'll check my DirecTV to see if it's out there. I would love to know if someone has seen it. If you are interested in watching a DVD about Linux, there is one called "Revolution OS" that does pretty well: http://www.google.com/search?q=revolution+OS Of course, you might have seen that one already! Mike PS. Can you believe it was only about 39? at noon today? And raining? Ouch. From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sat May 13 00:47:46 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] "Code Breakers" will be aired on BBC World TV starting on 10 May 2006. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Mike Miller wrote: > http://slashdot.org/articles/06/05/10/1118213.shtml > > But I'll bet you would like to know if it will be playing on a cable > channel that you get. I'd like to know that too. When I get home I'll > check my DirecTV to see if it's out there. I would love to know if > someone has seen it. I checked and I don't see it playing on my DirecTV in the next couple weeks. You can find local times from a link here: http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc Episode One plays at 2:30 - 3:00 AM, our time, on Monday morning on BBC World. I don't have BBC World. I hope someone else can record or watch it and tell us if it is any good. Mike From admin at lctn.org Sat May 13 14:00:38 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] streaming live content Message-ID: <48040.204.212.34.10.1147546838.squirrel@lctn.org> I don't want to join a support forum for this one question. Anyone know if I am correct in assuming I can use mencoder to connect to an RTSP server,like Darwin to stream live video? We are currently using Windows media server and an encoder to do the same, but am looking for more flexibility and customization. -- Raymond Norton LCTN From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon May 15 06:33:12 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:33:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? Message-ID: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> I have had some ongoing issues with a set of dual 3.06 533MHz 512K Xeon CPUs. I have just bought a new set of components to build around these CPUs that I had in my possession. ASUS PC-Deluxe MB 4 GB RAM Dual CPUs (XEON, 3.06 533 MHz 512K) FC5 installed OS with raid, LVM Issue: I built the system, finally have the hard drives configured as I want, now ... the system just starts to hang while away, or crashes along the way. A couple of times recently though, during boot I have gotten some CPU warnings ... similar to what I have seen in the past. In addition, the system will just seem to lock up on occasion. The CPU checks that are run at boot time ... shouldn't those errors show up more often, or does the phase of the moon sorta thing have to be just right for a crash like that to occur? What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just crashed heavily. Things I have already considered: - over heated CPUs ... brand new coolers, used thermal grease - bios monitoring shows temps to be reasonable - at least when I can get in to check on them. - power supply ... bought decent brand, not cheap one. - UPS ... plugged into APC 420 SmartUPS (no indication of overload), shares this with another tower. Other thoughts and suggestions? I NEED this system up and running soon for work (heavy CPU related activities). Thanks in advance. Randy p.s. Any suggestions on a good location to purchase a matched set of these CPUs? I have been looking on the web - pricewatch - and they only list single CPUs. These are slightly older technology ... so tougher to locate. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon May 15 08:34:52 2006 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:34:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] streaming live content In-Reply-To: <48040.204.212.34.10.1147546838.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <48040.204.212.34.10.1147546838.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20060515083452.A26417@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 02:00:38PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I don't want to join a support forum for this one question. Anyone know if > I am correct in assuming I can use mencoder to connect to an RTSP > server,like Darwin to stream live video? We are currently using Windows > media server and an encoder to do the same, but am looking for more > flexibility and customization. Yes, you should be able to mencoder to do that. I think that I have only done it with mplayer, but I can't see why mencoder wouldn't work as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From sac at cheesecake.org Mon May 15 10:01:37 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:01:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? In-Reply-To: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> References: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <20060515150136.GA22047@cheesecake.org> On Mon, 15 May 2006 at 06.33.12 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU > application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with > both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just > crashed heavily. by `crashed heavily' do you mean it's locked up with no messages at all, which you know because the monitor is displaying a login prompt and hasn't gone into any screensaver type mode? it could be a motherboard problem or cpu misbehaviour therewith. -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon May 15 10:12:31 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:12:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? In-Reply-To: <20060515150136.GA22047@cheesecake.org> References: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> <20060515150136.GA22047@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <1147705951.5507.47.camel@iwill> Basically yes. A couple of times the system has frozen with whatever is on the screen - never to recover, unable to ssh into the system, etc. Other times it will be in screen saver mode (blank) and I come back to check on the system ... then nothing happens. It is not set for any sort of power saver mode. For several days, it was fine. It would go to screen saver / login prompt and i would be able to log back in fine. Now, it does not do that any longer. Randy On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 10:01 -0500, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2006 at 06.33.12 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU > > application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with > > both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just > > crashed heavily. > > by `crashed heavily' do you mean it's locked up with no messages at > all, which you know because the monitor is displaying a login prompt and > hasn't gone into any screensaver type mode? > > it could be a motherboard problem or cpu misbehaviour therewith. > From ajs at cems.umn.edu Mon May 15 10:19:10 2006 From: ajs at cems.umn.edu (Andy Schmid) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:19:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? In-Reply-To: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> References: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <44689BEE.4080103@cems.umn.edu> Don't forget about the ram. Often enough bad ram will cause the computer to lock up as you described. Try swapping out the ram, or test it with memtest86. Andy Randy Clarksean wrote: >I have had some ongoing issues with a set of dual 3.06 533MHz 512K Xeon >CPUs. I have just bought a new set of components to build around these >CPUs that I had in my possession. > >ASUS PC-Deluxe MB >4 GB RAM >Dual CPUs (XEON, 3.06 533 MHz 512K) >FC5 installed OS with raid, LVM > >Issue: I built the system, finally have the hard drives configured as I >want, now ... the system just starts to hang while away, or crashes >along the way. > >A couple of times recently though, during boot I have gotten some CPU >warnings ... similar to what I have seen in the past. In addition, the >system will just seem to lock up on occasion. The CPU checks that are >run at boot time ... shouldn't those errors show up more often, or does >the phase of the moon sorta thing have to be just right for a crash like >that to occur? > >What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU >application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with >both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just >crashed heavily. > >Things I have already considered: > >- over heated CPUs ... brand new coolers, used thermal grease - bios >monitoring shows temps to be reasonable - at least when I can get in to >check on them. >- power supply ... bought decent brand, not cheap one. >- UPS ... plugged into APC 420 SmartUPS (no indication of overload), >shares this with another tower. > >Other thoughts and suggestions? I NEED this system up and running soon >for work (heavy CPU related activities). > >Thanks in advance. > >Randy > >p.s. Any suggestions on a good location to purchase a matched set of >these CPUs? I have been looking on the web - pricewatch - and they only >list single CPUs. These are slightly older technology ... so tougher to >locate. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From smac at visi.com Mon May 15 15:44:12 2006 From: smac at visi.com (smac at visi.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:44:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? In-Reply-To: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> References: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> Message-ID: <1147725852.4468e81cada43@my.visi.com> The big question is, are the CPU's a matched set? Let Me explain. Each CPU must the the same ""Stepping" "(stp)"" in your case... (stp) etc... SL6VP 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron D1 512 KB 604 pin SL6GH 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron C1 512 KB 604 pin SL6RR 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron C1 512 KB 604 pin SL6YR 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron D1 512 KB 604 pin In other words; Each CPU must be from the same microcode version. The stepping is on the CPU itself. You are lucky you didn't fry the CPU's, if the stepping is off. This is the Intel site with the information you need to check. http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/default.asp?CHRID=528 Sam. Quoting Randy Clarksean : > I have had some ongoing issues with a set of dual 3.06 533MHz 512K Xeon > CPUs. I have just bought a new set of components to build around these > CPUs that I had in my possession. > > ASUS PC-Deluxe MB > 4 GB RAM > Dual CPUs (XEON, 3.06 533 MHz 512K) > FC5 installed OS with raid, LVM > > Issue: I built the system, finally have the hard drives configured as I > want, now ... the system just starts to hang while away, or crashes > along the way. > > A couple of times recently though, during boot I have gotten some CPU > warnings ... similar to what I have seen in the past. In addition, the > system will just seem to lock up on occasion. The CPU checks that are > run at boot time ... shouldn't those errors show up more often, or does > the phase of the moon sorta thing have to be just right for a crash like > that to occur? > > What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU > application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with > both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just > crashed heavily. > > Things I have already considered: > > - over heated CPUs ... brand new coolers, used thermal grease - bios > monitoring shows temps to be reasonable - at least when I can get in to > check on them. > - power supply ... bought decent brand, not cheap one. > - UPS ... plugged into APC 420 SmartUPS (no indication of overload), > shares this with another tower. > > Other thoughts and suggestions? I NEED this system up and running soon > for work (heavy CPU related activities). > > Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > p.s. Any suggestions on a good location to purchase a matched set of > these CPUs? I have been looking on the web - pricewatch - and they only > list single CPUs. These are slightly older technology ... so tougher to > locate. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Mon May 15 16:14:42 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:14:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: What happened to http://www.tcsa.org/ Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3B9@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Anyone know what happened to http://www.tcsa.org/? It's down at present. One of our admins is looking for some advanced admin training, maybe in AIX or Solaris. Anyone have any suggestions? Especially if it's local. Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon May 15 16:36:24 2006 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:36:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Dual Xeon Issues - Bad CPUs? In-Reply-To: <1147725852.4468e81cada43@my.visi.com> References: <1147692792.5507.17.camel@iwill> <1147725852.4468e81cada43@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <1147728984.7833.5.camel@iwill> They are a matched set ... the stepping is the same. I have 4 operational dual intel CPU systems, plus 5 or 6 dual PII systems, a dual Pentium Pro system as well ... so I have been down that path before. Always good to check the obvious first though. R On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 15:44 -0500, smac at visi.com wrote: > The big question is, are the CPU's a matched set? > > Let Me explain. > > Each CPU must the the same ""Stepping" "(stp)"" in your case... > (stp) etc... > SL6VP 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron D1 512 KB 604 pin > SL6GH 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron C1 512 KB 604 pin > SL6RR 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron C1 512 KB 604 pin > SL6YR 3.06 GHz 533 MHz 0.13 micron D1 512 KB 604 pin > > In other words; > Each CPU must be from the same microcode version. > The stepping is on the CPU itself. > You are lucky you didn't fry the CPU's, if the stepping is off. > > This is the Intel site with the information you need to check. > > http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/default.asp?CHRID=528 > > > Sam. > > Quoting Randy Clarksean : > > > I have had some ongoing issues with a set of dual 3.06 533MHz 512K Xeon > > CPUs. I have just bought a new set of components to build around these > > CPUs that I had in my possession. > > > > ASUS PC-Deluxe MB > > 4 GB RAM > > Dual CPUs (XEON, 3.06 533 MHz 512K) > > FC5 installed OS with raid, LVM > > > > Issue: I built the system, finally have the hard drives configured as I > > want, now ... the system just starts to hang while away, or crashes > > along the way. > > > > A couple of times recently though, during boot I have gotten some CPU > > warnings ... similar to what I have seen in the past. In addition, the > > system will just seem to lock up on occasion. The CPU checks that are > > run at boot time ... shouldn't those errors show up more often, or does > > the phase of the moon sorta thing have to be just right for a crash like > > that to occur? > > > > What is odd though, I ran a couple copies of this heavily intensive CPU > > application (mprime I think it was) ... ran for over 12 hours ... with > > both CPUs buried - no errors, but then some time later the system just > > crashed heavily. > > > > Things I have already considered: > > > > - over heated CPUs ... brand new coolers, used thermal grease - bios > > monitoring shows temps to be reasonable - at least when I can get in to > > check on them. > > - power supply ... bought decent brand, not cheap one. > > - UPS ... plugged into APC 420 SmartUPS (no indication of overload), > > shares this with another tower. > > > > Other thoughts and suggestions? I NEED this system up and running soon > > for work (heavy CPU related activities). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Randy > > > > p.s. Any suggestions on a good location to purchase a matched set of > > these CPUs? I have been looking on the web - pricewatch - and they only > > list single CPUs. These are slightly older technology ... so tougher to > > locate. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From jsievert at gmail.com Mon May 15 16:51:42 2006 From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:51:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: What happened to http://www.tcsa.org/ In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3B9@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3B9@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <6cfb19470605151451j4b741752v7c11707c0989d86b@mail.gmail.com> I have used this company before based down is roseville. http://www.colliercomputing.com/edu/index.html Jason On 5/15/06, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > Anyone know what happened to http://www.tcsa.org/? It's down at present. > > One of our admins is looking for some advanced admin training, maybe in > AIX or Solaris. Anyone have any suggestions? Especially if it's local. > > Wayne Johnson > Senior Software Engineer > MQSoftware, Inc. > 1660 S Highway 100 > Minneapolis, MN 55416 > (952) 345-8628 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060515/06b246ea/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Tue May 16 10:54:29 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:54:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help Message-ID: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> I am logging local7.info on 20 routers.Is there an open source syslog viewer that can filter by source IP. Secondly, is there a good link that shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log files for each router? From chewie at wookimus.net Tue May 16 11:00:40 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:00:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help In-Reply-To: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <20060516160040.84EB91EE6@skuld.wookimus.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > I am logging local7.info on 20 routers.Is there an open source > syslog viewer that can filter by source IP. Secondly, is there a > good link that shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log > files for each router? syslog-ng is what you want. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From klinej at msoe.edu Tue May 16 10:58:59 2006 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:58:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help In-Reply-To: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <200605161058.59765.klinej@msoe.edu> syslog-ng On Tuesday 16 May 2006 10:54, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am logging local7.info on 20 routers.Is there an open source syslog > viewer that can filter by source IP. Secondly, is there a good link that > shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log files for each > router? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue May 16 11:21:44 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:21:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help In-Reply-To: <20060516160040.84EB91EE6@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> <20060516160040.84EB91EE6@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On 5/16/06, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > syslog-ng is what you want. Ditto...along with being *very* easy to configure, syslog-ng allows you to do cool things like log selected log streams to a RDBMS. This opens up a whole new world of options for reporting/log mining/etc. -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue May 16 12:01:07 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:01:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help In-Reply-To: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <20060516170107.GB9348@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 10:54:29AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am logging local7.info on 20 routers.Is there an open source syslog > viewer that can filter by source IP. Secondly, is there a good link that > shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log files for each > router? Although syslog-ng is really good and a few people have suggested it already, also have a look at http://www.splunk.com/. Splunk Server is the free edition for up to 500MB per day of logs. I haven't downloaded and installed it yet, but it really does look cool... -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From blj at umn.edu Tue May 16 12:48:26 2006 From: blj at umn.edu (Brian Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:48:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris order Message-ID: <1147801706.8739.3.camel@bombadil.laesource.com> I don't know if many people are familiar with Soekris boxes, they are small, low power, low heat x86 computers. They are ideal for router, access point, car computers etc. You can see more about them at http://soekris.com/. Some of my friends and I are putting in an order for some net4801s coming up and I am seeing if anyone else is interested in going in on this as there is a bulk discount. If you have any interest back channel me and I will see what we can do about setting up the order. Thanks, brian From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue May 16 13:34:52 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:34:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 From jeff at digitalguy.net Tue May 16 14:50:59 2006 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey Lehman) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:50:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <446A2D23.6050606@digitalguy.net> Wayne Johnson wrote: >Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? > >Wayne Johnson >Senior Software Engineer >MQSoftware, Inc. >1660 S Highway 100 >Minneapolis, MN 55416 >(952) 345-8628 > > I will also bring a server and download several distros for the next installfest. Jeff Lehman From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue May 16 14:51:59 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:51:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C9@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Lehman [mailto:jeff at digitalguy.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:51 PM To: Wayne Johnson Cc: Tclug-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest Wayne Johnson wrote: >Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? > >Wayne Johnson >Senior Software Engineer >MQSoftware, Inc. >1660 S Highway 100 >Minneapolis, MN 55416 >(952) 345-8628 > > I will also bring a server and download several distros for the next installfest. Jeff Lehman From josh at joshwelch.com Tue May 16 16:38:31 2006 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:38:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need syslog help In-Reply-To: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> References: <1147794869.14062.56.camel@project-1.tamray.com> Message-ID: <20060516163831.ugqdv50vun4ggc0s@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Raymond Norton : > I am logging local7.info on 20 routers.Is there an open source syslog > viewer that can filter by source IP. Secondly, is there a good link that > shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log files for each > router? > GUI or command line? I rather like swatch for command line stuff, you can do all sort of regex stuff to determine what you would like to look at. I've heard good things about Sawmill as a GUI tool, not open source but they do have a "lite" version which is free/cheap, don't remember which. If all your routers are logging to local7.info, I'm no sure how to seperate them out. Josh From florin at iucha.net Tue May 16 17:03:14 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:03:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060516220314.GJ7905@iucha.net> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:34:52PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? Munir, You bragged about a portable disk. Is it still available? florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Secondly, is there a good link that > shows how to setup syslog, so it creates separate log files for each > router? > syslog-ng is very flexible Something like this might be what you want/need. filter f_host1 { facility(local7) and host("host1"); }; filter f_host2 { facility(local7) and host("host2"); }; destination host1 { file("/var/log/host1"); }; log { source(src); filter(f_host1); destination(host1); }; destination host2 { file("/var/log/host2"); }; log { source(src); filter(f_host2); destination(host2); }; If you don't have DNS setup for your hosts, just add them to /etc/hosts on your syslog server. From tclug at beitsahour.net Tue May 16 20:16:12 2006 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:16:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> <20060516220314.GJ7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: Florin Iucha writes: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:34:52PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: >> Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? > > Munir, > > You bragged about a portable disk. Is it still available? Last i checked it is mostly a debian mirror nowadays, debian just got so big and interest in other distros rather weakened, but i'll what i can dig up. -- Munir Nassar From florin at iucha.net Tue May 16 20:28:59 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest In-Reply-To: References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3C4@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> <20060516220314.GJ7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060517012859.GK7905@iucha.net> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:16:12PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Florin Iucha writes: > > > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:34:52PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > >> Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? > > > > Munir, > > > > You bragged about a portable disk. Is it still available? > > Last i checked it is mostly a debian mirror nowadays, debian just got so big > and interest in other distros rather weakened, but i'll what i can dig up. Munir, Can you jigdo/rsync the first three-four CDs of testing for i386, AMD64 (and PPC?) and chuck the rest of the mirror? That way you'll have plenty of space left for Ubuntu Dapper, Fedora 5 and Suse 10.1. All: Other distro's available upon request. The server will have a DVD burner so bring your own media and we'll fill it. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is hacking a bit of python to get modules, but who does not like to read a bit of python now and then :-) Thanks, Kelly Black KB0GBJ From tim.link at mchsi.com Tue May 16 23:11:46 2006 From: tim.link at mchsi.com (Tim Link) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:11:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? Message-ID: I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just wondering if Debian has a better track record than the others, longer up-times, etc. If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for me. Thanks. -- tim dot link at mchsi dot com From john.meier at gmail.com Tue May 16 23:27:00 2006 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:27:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65293fcc0605162127t27ac70ddh46e8320a2345222b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/06, Tim Link wrote: > > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core > 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about > using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears > that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as > far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this > the case? I'm not an admin, but I do play one at work. I have found that when it comes to upgrading/installing software, deb and gentoo have great systems that figure out dependencies. I really really hate my one Redhat ES server - every time I want to install something, I have trouble with finding all the rpms needed to get the job done. As I said, I';m not really an admin - so I may just not know the RPM "system" well enough - but I do know I spend less keyboard time at my gentoo and deb systems. (note - my gentoo systems take more time upon an install due to compile times - my deb systems this is not the case - but I DO spend less time tracking down and figuring out dependencies on these to distro types.) I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the > others, longer up-times, etc. If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. > > -- > tim dot link at mchsi dot com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060516/ea087019/attachment.htm From thecubic at thecubic.net Tue May 16 23:31:50 2006 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:31:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4512.163.231.6.87.1147840310.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net> There's always a tradeoff for one distro over the other, but out of 3 FC5 servers (that had been FC4, FC3, and FC2 previously) - I've found FC5 to be quite a stable server distro. One server specifically gets beaten pretty hard (3 mpeg2 encoders running often at the same time which then turn into mythcommflag processes, plus NFS4 over gigabit,samba,NAT,httpd,mysql) - and has yet to experience its first crash. That said, one vote for 'it doesn't really matter which distro to use on a server'. As long as the distro is decent. If security stuff is an issue, then at the very least, use a distro that can upgrade components as important as sysvinit or glibc without reboot, and that has security updates easily available. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Carlson thecubic at thecubic.net On Tue, May 16, 2006 11:11 pm, Tim Link wrote: > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core > 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about > using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears > that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as > far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this > the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the > others, longer up-times, etc. > > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. > > -- > tim dot link at mchsi dot com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue May 16 23:33:33 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:33:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: <21525767.1147839162309.JavaMail.root@sniper11> References: <21525767.1147839162309.JavaMail.root@sniper11> Message-ID: <200605162333.34103.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:11 pm, Tim Link wrote: > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core > 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about > using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears > that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as > far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this > the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the > others, longer up-times, etc. > > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. My observations/opinions Debian - Very stable. Runs a little older but trusted version of applications SuSE - Stable, good user interface application, fairly up to date. Have this installed on lots of servers Slackware - not much experience/exposure Fedora - same ubuntu - same Gentoo - my preferred distro. very flexible, very up to date, fairly stable (i dont have problems with it as a server or on my desktop for the last 4 years) Redhat enterprise - stable, fairly up to date mandriva - i used it back in 97-98 (it was called mandrake). it was a pretty decent distro back then, i expect it to have only gotten better. All in all i'd say all distro's are going to be close to the same for a server, with the possible exception of source based distros (gentoo, etc) since updating a packages usually takes a little more time since it compiles the package before installing it. Other than that, I would be that they are all pretty much the same overall. They all run the same kernel - yes, commonly with their own distro based modifications, but really, what differences are there to end users? They all run the same applications - difference primarily in installation/update method and where the files are stored on the filesystem. They all support the same hardware for the most part. For me it really comes down what included applications/management utilities are included in the distro. I choose Gentoo because it has an awesome application management system called portage based on FreeBSD's ports. Gentoo also has a tendancy to keep config files logically located in /etc (like the BSDs). From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 17 00:25:37 2006 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:25:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446AB3D1.7060005@trutwins.homeip.net> Tim Link wrote: > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core > 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about > using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears > that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as > far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this > the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the > others, longer up-times, etc. My preference is definitely Debian for 99.9% uptime servers. It just seems the most stable. The updates generally seem primarily security related and apt-get is about as easy as it gets. The only time I've EVER had to reboot my Debian server is for a kernel rebuild or when I last setup software RAID. It's a rock. I'm using Slackware more and more because I also find not dealing with .rpms or even .debs is nice too. There is a slapt-get tool that gives Slackware updates a debian feel though. I tend to manage a subset of the system myself, I always do my own kernel builds, mysql/postgresql, apache, php, etc. from source so Slackware works well for me. I cut my teeth on SuSE and have a soft spot for it - I now refuse to use any RPM-based distro if given another option. But if I had to SuSE would be my reluctant choice. I just don't care for Redhat/Fedora at all. That's just me - I'm not super-guru-sysadmin so don't take it too seriously. .) > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. Mostly a matter of taste, anyone can be a shitty admin in a distro they don't understand so I guess I'd recommend staying with what you are familiar with. If that Fedora, then you'd probably be the most effective admin on that distro until you've had some exposure to something else in a non-production env. My $0.02... Josh From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 17 00:38:29 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:38:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: <446AB3D1.7060005@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <446AB3D1.7060005@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20060517053829.0639F2040@skuld.wookimus.net> Josh Trutwin wrote: > Mostly a matter of taste, anyone can be a shitty admin in a distro > they don't understand so I guess I'd recommend staying with what you > are familiar with. If that Fedora, then you'd probably be the most > effective admin on that distro until you've had some exposure to > something else in a non-production env. This is some very good advice. You really cannot go wrong with most distributions today. I'm particularly anal about what packages get installed on my servers, so I use Debian's installer and refuse to use the Task/Template based installations or the aptitude application (personal preference). dselect, as odd as it may seem to use at first, is quite effective at selecting packages and being prompted for selecting dependencies, recommendations, and suggestions. However, from the command-line apt is really hard to beat. $ apt-cache search KEYWORD $ apt-cache show PACKAGE # apt-get install PACKAGE For example, say you want to find out what packages are available for apache2. $ apt-cache search apache2 ...(list of packages and 1-line descriptions)... Let's say I want apache2-mpm-prefork, the prefork multi-processing-module version of the Apache2 server. # apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork ...(lists other packages it must install and prompts you for confirmation)... This way, you know EXACTLY what gets installed on your server. If you're making a static web server, all you need are the base packages and an httpd server. You don't need a desktop, you don't need X11 packages, you don't need eye-candy. Just the server nuts and bolts, and maybe an ssh server. Don't like OpenSSH? Install dropbear. Don't like Apache2? Try thttpd. They're all just an apt-get away. Good luck! You can't really make a "wrong" decision, as long as you're committed to learning the system you choose. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From ewilts at ewilts.org Wed May 17 06:47:56 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:47:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060517114756.GA3154@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:11:46PM -0500, Tim Link wrote: > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core 1 (I know, > I'm behind the times) and was thinking about using FC5. But, as I read > the posts on this list, it appears that Debian has found it's way into > the hearts of many as far as it being a preferred distro for servers. > Why is this the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the others, longer > up-times, etc. I am a sysadmin - been doing this for 25 years and Linux for 5 or so. I run RHEL ES at work and a RHEL rebuild at home (Tao Linux). I have had *zero* problems with stability and rarely have problems with installing new packages. I've never had problems with installing security updates or quarterly maintenance packs. > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. It partly depends on how much work you put into it. I'm sure you can screw up any distro if you don't know what you're doing, and a good admin can make even Windows look good. When I joined my present company, VMS outages were frequent and the entire cluster was shut down monthly for change windows. Since I took over, the cluster has been up since May/99. If you want to install a server and pretty much forget about it, RHEL is a really good choice - just apply the security updates when they come out and you'll be supported for many years. No re-installs will be required. RHEL on the desktop isn't as good because it tends to lag behind because its focus is on long-term stability. You won't get the bleeding edge apps - you don't need these on a server - but it will give a rock solid platform. A lot of people complain about dependency hell and rpms. This is not a problem on the server, and it isn't a problem with RHEL. Once you understand rpm properly and let it help you instead of fighting it, you can appreciate what it offers. If you're constantly installing packages from random sources, you will experience dependency hell. But then, you should not be doing this in the first place (you need to trust your packager!) and especially not on a server. When it comes to 3rd party application support, there's no doubt that RHEL is the obvious choice - don't expect Oracle or Symantec or any other major company to support Debian, gentoo, or pretty much anything other than RHEL and SuSe. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From ewilts at ewilts.org Wed May 17 06:51:13 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:51:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: <200605162333.34103.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <21525767.1147839162309.JavaMail.root@sniper11> <200605162333.34103.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: <20060517115113.GB3154@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:33:33PM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > They all run the same kernel - yes, commonly with their own distro based > modifications, but really, what differences are there to end users? A *lot* - if you're thinking you might need an updated fibre channel driver, or you want the security of a protected stack, you want a kernel you can trust. Red Hat backports a *lot* of changes to the kernel. Remember that the server focus is stability. > They all support the same hardware for the most part. Nope - all have differing driver support. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Wed May 17 08:17:13 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:17:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3D5@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> FC[1-5] is much better at dependencies nowdays sunce it got yum. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John Meier Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:27 PM To: Tim Link Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? On 5/16/06, Tim Link < tim.link at mchsi.com> wrote: I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this the case? I'm not an admin, but I do play one at work. I have found that when it comes to upgrading/installing software, deb and gentoo have great systems that figure out dependencies. I really really hate my one Redhat ES server - every time I want to install something, I have trouble with finding all the rpms needed to get the job done. As I said, I';m not really an admin - so I may just not know the RPM "system" well enough - but I do know I spend less keyboard time at my gentoo and deb systems. (note - my gentoo systems take more time upon an install due to compile times - my deb systems this is not the case - but I DO spend less time tracking down and figuring out dependencies on these to distro types.) I truly am not into distro wars but was just wondering if Debian has a better track record than the others, longer up-times, etc. If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for me. Thanks. -- tim dot link at mchsi dot com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060517/dd081bc2/attachment.htm From nate at refried.org Wed May 17 08:20:25 2006 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:20:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060517132025.GA25550@refried.org> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:11:46PM -0500, Tim Link wrote: > But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears that Debian has > found it's way into the hearts of many as far as it being a preferred > distro for servers. Why is this the case? The reason I really like Debian is because it's an install once distro. You never have to reboot the system and upgrade it with a CD. You just keep upgrading the software in-place and restarting services as needed. > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. It really is just a matter of taste. If you don't have the time to learn the ins and outs of a new distro, stick with what you're familiar with. Nate From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 17 09:21:11 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:21:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: <20060517115113.GB3154@www.ewilts.org> References: <21525767.1147839162309.JavaMail.root@sniper11> <200605162333.34103.jus@krytosvirus.com> <20060517115113.GB3154@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20060517142111.2D1931ED4@skuld.wookimus.net> Ed Wilts wrote: > A *lot* - if you're thinking you might need an updated fibre channel > driver, or you want the security of a protected stack, you want a > kernel you can trust. Red Hat backports a *lot* of changes to the > kernel. Remember that the server focus is stability. This is the "value added" portion of RHEL, and it's really hard to beat. Don't expect Debian kernel maintainers to back-port bleeding edge drivers. You can expect Debian maintainers (of any package) to supply back-ports of _security fixes_, but not feature enhancements. > > They all support the same hardware for the most part. > > Nope - all have differing driver support. I would agree with this statement. Debian, in fact, _removes_ proprietary or binary-only firmware that is distributed with the kernel. Why on Earth would they do such a thing? The Debian Social Contract and Free Software Guideline (DSC and DFSG, respectively). For example, we're running servers that have Tigon 3 ethernet cards. They run beautifully with the stock Debian kernel, even without the firmware, but we do not require any of the features that the firmware provide. This is not a Debian-specific controversy, however. The kernel developers themselves argue constantly about such things. So now, it's possible to load firmware in userspace via udev or hotplug. So, where do these firmwares end up? In the non-free component of Debian as specific "BLAH-firmware" packages. If you're running brand new hardware, something released in the last quarter or two, or specialized hardware, you may have need to look at newer kernels or custom drivers. If the driver is not invasive to the kernel, you can simply download the source for it and compile against your existing kernel's headers (which are also available as packages on most Linux distributions). If you're running something that's slightly older (release wise), you could probably get away with just about any distribution. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From auditodd at comcast.net Wed May 17 09:30:15 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:30:15 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? Message-ID: <051720061430.4809.446B33770004B158000012C922007481840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Don't feel too bad. My home server is still running Mandrake v9.2 or v9.3 (I can't remember which) and has been up now for over 408 days. All I've every done is run urpmi occasionally to try to keep it up to date. I am going to look at updating also, but I'm thinking openSUSE 10.1. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tim Link" > I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core > 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about > using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears > that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as > far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this > the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just > wondering if Debian has a better track record than the > others, longer up-times, etc. > > If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at > all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for > me. Thanks. > > -- > tim dot link at mchsi dot com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Wed May 17 09:51:17 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:51:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3DE@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> OK, Woot.com is selling IDE 250Gb drives for $50. I just picked one up. I'll donate this to the cause. Anyone have a large repository of distros we can copy to this beast? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:29 PM To: Munir Nassar Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:16:12PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Florin Iucha writes: > > > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:34:52PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > >> Florin is bringing a server for the installfest, does someone have a harddrive with a collection of distros? Didn't someone mention a while back that the folks at real-time had such? > > > > Munir, > > > > You bragged about a portable disk. Is it still available? > > Last i checked it is mostly a debian mirror nowadays, debian just got so big > and interest in other distros rather weakened, but i'll what i can dig up. Munir, Can you jigdo/rsync the first three-four CDs of testing for i386, AMD64 (and PPC?) and chuck the rest of the mirror? That way you'll have plenty of space left for Ubuntu Dapper, Fedora 5 and Suse 10.1. All: Other distro's available upon request. The server will have a DVD burner so bring your own media and we'll fill it. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar From florin at iucha.net Wed May 17 10:29:58 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:29:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3DE@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3DE@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060517152958.GL7905@iucha.net> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:51:17AM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > OK, Woot.com is selling IDE 250Gb drives for $50. I just picked one up. I'll donate this to the cause. > > Anyone have a large repository of distros we can copy to this beast? Munir works (worked?) at Real-Time and he can copy the goods right off their mirrors. If that is no longer the case, and you can swing by their office, I'm sure Bob will help you with filling up the disk. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially if it's local. > > Wayne Johnson > Senior Software Engineer > MQSoftware, Inc. > 1660 S Highway 100 > Minneapolis, MN 55416 > (952) 345-8628 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed May 17 14:04:25 2006 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:04:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] kernel panic after lilo Message-ID: <446B73B9.7090406@trutwins.homeip.net> I recently upgrade a kernel on my laptop (slackware 10.1) from 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 (using "make oldconfig" from 2.6.15's kernel config). I pulled up lilo.conf and just replaced 15 with 16 and reran lilo - no problems. Now when booting though I get this fun message: Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (3,4) Did some googling which seems to indicate this is a problem with a bad root= option - but that didn't change when I changed lilo.conf so I'm not sure what the deal is. I use boot=/dev/hda2 and root=/dev/hda4 and tried typing these in as options from the boot screen - no love. I'm wondering if maybe I missed something in the kernel upgrade that could be causing this? What's odd about this though is I cannot even boot using my old kernel either. Thankfully I have a boot floppy so I can still boot and re-run lilo or rebuild the kernel. Just curious if anyone had similar problems and has any advice. Thanks, Josh From srcfoo at gmail.com Wed May 17 14:29:40 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:29:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] kernel panic after lilo In-Reply-To: <446B73B9.7090406@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <446B73B9.7090406@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <579c6fd30605171229s125b3168m97b764e1b23a7bbb@mail.gmail.com> I'm not familiar with slackware, but to me it sounds like you might need to make a new initrd image with the appropriate drivers. It seems odd that it didn't happen automatically, but if it can't mount the root fs, that sounds like a driver problem to me. On 5/17/06, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I recently upgrade a kernel on my laptop (slackware 10.1) from 2.6.15 > to 2.6.16 (using "make oldconfig" from 2.6.15's kernel config). I > pulled up lilo.conf and just replaced 15 with 16 and reran lilo - no > problems. Now when booting though I get this fun message: > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > unknown-block (3,4) > > Did some googling which seems to indicate this is a problem with a bad > root= option - but that didn't change when I changed lilo.conf so I'm > not sure what the deal is. I use boot=/dev/hda2 and root=/dev/hda4 > and tried typing these in as options from the boot screen - no love. > I'm wondering if maybe I missed something in the kernel upgrade that > could be causing this? What's odd about this though is I cannot even > boot using my old kernel either. > > Thankfully I have a boot floppy so I can still boot and re-run lilo or > rebuild the kernel. Just curious if anyone had similar problems and > has any advice. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Thu May 18 01:26:48 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 01:26:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting Message-ID: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and their core software management technology called Conary. When: Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm If you plan on attending, please register here: http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php Where: Heritage Christian Academy 15655 Bass Lake Road Maple Grove, MN 55311 You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to have too much than not enough. * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure you have something to install. If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can print out. http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu May 18 03:15:16 2006 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 03:15:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: <32612184.1147866679420.JavaMail.root@sniper35> References: <21525767.1147839162309.JavaMail.root@sniper11> <200605162333.34103.jus@krytosvirus.com> <32612184.1147866679420.JavaMail.root@sniper35> Message-ID: <200605180315.18008.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 06:51 am, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:33:33PM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > They all run the same kernel - yes, commonly with their own distro based > > modifications, but really, what differences are there to end users? > > A *lot* - if you're thinking you might need an updated fibre channel > driver, or you want the security of a protected stack, you want a kernel > you can trust. Red Hat backports a *lot* of changes to the kernel. > Remember that the server focus is stability. I am making generalizations throughout my email, maybe I wasn't clear on this. I know there are tons of differences. If one wanted to, I bet one could port the same redhat kernel patches to just about any distro's kernel. Note - I am not a kernel hacker in the slightest. I am just stating that for the most part, there are not a ton of visible differences. I have zero stability problems with Gentoo on my desktop (where I am typing this email). This is the same installation from 2001. > > > They all support the same hardware for the most part. > > Nope - all have differing driver support. > Ok. How much hardware out there works on on distro but not another? Sure if it is some super proprietary driver with some binary blob for some hardware, it might be tougher to run the hardware on a distro the vendor did not generate code for, but is this even a reality? I have installed several Linux distros on a variety of hardware and have not really had any hardware issues that only affected one distro, possibly after at least a little user intervention on my part. Again, I am just stating that in general most distros are going to be fairly close in end user experience with the exceptions I noted in my original email. Apache running on gentoo will look and feel the same as apache running on suse. Postfix running on redhat will be the same as postfix running on debian. From tim.link at mchsi.com Thu May 18 07:48:00 2006 From: tim.link at mchsi.com (Tim Link) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:48:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you everyone for all the great input on server distro selection. I'm particularly interested in the areas of updates being more automatic and dependencies being found with less effort on my part. I've been frustrated in the past with RPM's and finding dependencies for certain packages. So, all the experiences you shared have caused me to consider changing distros. Now it's time to ponder. Anyway, I appreciate all the help very much. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tim Link Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:12 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Why Debian on the server? I am finally going to upgrade my server running Fedora Core 1 (I know, I'm behind the times) and was thinking about using FC5. But, as I read the posts on this list, it appears that Debian has found it's way into the hearts of many as far as it being a preferred distro for servers. Why is this the case? I truly am not into distro wars but was just wondering if Debian has a better track record than the others, longer up-times, etc. If the concensus is that it just really doesn't matter at all which distro to use on a server, that will be enough for me. Thanks. -- tim dot link at mchsi dot com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006 From cdf123 at cdf123.net Thu May 18 10:51:05 2006 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:51:05 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops Message-ID: <446C97E9.5040004@cdf123.net> Hi all, I'm looking for a cheap and old laptop. Less than $100. Somewhere in the 90Mhz to 200Mhz, P.Pro/PII range. Hopefully a Thinkpad, but I'd settle for other brands. I'm hoping to find one to load Gentoo on it, and run it as a VNC thin client. I'm only going to load tightvnc, xorg, and esd. I've found a few on Ebay, but I haven't had much luck through auction sites, and since I'm taking someone's word for the condition, I'd rather not go that route. I've also found a few online liquidators that have some, but most want to sell in bulk, and it's rare to find one thats been thoroughly tested. There's got to be more of these out there. Where do they all go? Does anyone know of a local retailer or liquidator that sells to the public, where you can inspect the machine before you buy it? These things are too slow to run WinXP/2K, so their nothing but a paperweight to most of the general public. I would think that they would be going for next to nothing. Any advice on where I should be looking for something like this? Thanks all, Chris From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu May 18 09:14:49 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:14:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3F5@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I've always bought laptops from Stacy (rwdata2 at aol.com) of RWData in Brooklyn Park. She sells on e-bay with user id sla22. Since it's local, you save on shipping. If you don't see anything you like in the auctions, call her because she has pallets full of stuff. Normally she has 2-4 year old lease returns. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Frederick Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:51 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops Hi all, I'm looking for a cheap and old laptop. Less than $100. Somewhere in the 90Mhz to 200Mhz, P.Pro/PII range. Hopefully a Thinkpad, but I'd settle for other brands. I'm hoping to find one to load Gentoo on it, and run it as a VNC thin client. I'm only going to load tightvnc, xorg, and esd. I've found a few on Ebay, but I haven't had much luck through auction sites, and since I'm taking someone's word for the condition, I'd rather not go that route. I've also found a few online liquidators that have some, but most want to sell in bulk, and it's rare to find one thats been thoroughly tested. There's got to be more of these out there. Where do they all go? Does anyone know of a local retailer or liquidator that sells to the public, where you can inspect the machine before you buy it? These things are too slow to run WinXP/2K, so their nothing but a paperweight to most of the general public. I would think that they would be going for next to nothing. Any advice on where I should be looking for something like this? Thanks all, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com Thu May 18 09:46:09 2006 From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:46:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> Message-ID: <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed mythtv? Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get it working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: > > TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting > > Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly > meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to > stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and > their core software management technology called Conary. > > When: > Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 > Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm > Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm > > If you plan on attending, please register here: > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php > > Where: > Heritage Christian Academy > 15655 Bass Lake Road > Maple Grove, MN 55311 > > You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. > Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. > > Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. > > * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other > cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to > have too much than not enough. > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a > copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure > you have something to install. > > If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can > print out. > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060518/f1ea59fd/attachment-0001.htm From clay at fandre.com Thu May 18 09:57:28 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:57:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <446C8B58.4070106@fandre.com> I've been running Mythtv for over a year. It's the only way I watch TV now. Sure beats the heck out of Tivo or those other DVRs.) I've been (meaning to put something together for a future meeting, but that probably won't happen until later this year. Maybe I'll bring my myth box down to the installfest to show off as a demo. Matthew Johnson wrote: > Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed > mythtv? Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get > it working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson > > http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall > > > On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting >> >> Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly >> meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to >> stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and >> their core software management technology called Conary. >> >> When: >> Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 >> Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm >> Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm >> >> If you plan on attending, please register here: >> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php >> >> Where: >> Heritage Christian Academy >> 15655 Bass Lake Road >> Maple Grove, MN 55311 >> >> You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. >> Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. >> >> Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. >> >> * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other >> cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to >> have too much than not enough. >> * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a >> copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure >> you have something to install. >> >> If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can >> print out. >> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com Thu May 18 10:01:26 2006 From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:01:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7d3948c70605180801l77b95ff2r5456dad16bc40f21@mail.gmail.com> That's right, I remember now. I was installing knoppmyth, which I suppose would count as a distribution. I my last attempt was over a year ago, so I'm fuzzy on what the issues were. http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html On 5/18/06, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed > mythtv? Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get > it working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson > > http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall > > > > On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting > > > > Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly > > meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to > > stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and > > their core software management technology called Conary. > > > > When: > > Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 > > Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm > > Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm > > > > If you plan on attending, please register here: > > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php > > > > Where: > > Heritage Christian Academy > > 15655 Bass Lake Road > > Maple Grove, MN 55311 > > > > You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. > > Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. > > > > Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. > > > > * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other > > cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to > > have too much than not enough. > > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a > > copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure > > you have something to install. > > > > If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can > > print out. > > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060518/8a11a058/attachment.htm From jkarcz at gmail.com Thu May 18 10:34:22 2006 From: jkarcz at gmail.com (Jim Karcz) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:34:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <686463da0605180834t1b01e8bfmb5be6b9c7232c4ea@mail.gmail.com> I have run the knoppmyth distro for a year or so. Pretty stable, and had to do minimal tweaking for remotes, etc. It ran flawlessly on a PVR350. I have a PC HDTV hd3000 card have not got it running stable yet on Debian etch with the myth install coming from marillat's repo, which apparently moved here: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/index.html I haven't had more too much time to fiddle yet, but it seems promising. Using an antenna, some channels are viewable, but some lock up. I also tried compiling from source, which worked OK for my PVR350, but didn't try the HD card. I have read recommendations to use a fast processor, like 3GHz or faster. Mine is a 3GHZ P4. It was pretty good for my first attempt, but definitely have to tweak things to see what happens, may be a myth setting, but not sure. BTW, I am new to the forum. I am currently running Debian Etch which was upgraded from sarge about 6 months ago (needed newer versions). Been a deb-head for about two years now. Don't do a lot of fancy stuff, just do what I need for my home LAN, samba, cups, slim servers, myth, wireless, etc. Enjoying what I see so far! Jim Karcz On 5/18/06, Matthew Johnson wrote: > Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed mythtv? > Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get it > working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson > > http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall > > > > On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: > > TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting > > > > Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly > > meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to > > stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and > > their core software management technology called Conary. > > > > When: > > Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 > > Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm > > Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm > > > > If you plan on attending, please register here: > > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php > > > > Where: > > Heritage Christian Academy > > 15655 Bass Lake Road > > Maple Grove, MN 55311 > > > > You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. > > Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. > > > > Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. > > > > * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other > > cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to > > have too much than not enough. > > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a > > copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure > > you have something to install. > > > > If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can > > print out. > > > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu May 18 11:04:34 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3FF@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I'd like to see that too. I tried mythtv, but didn't get much working. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:57 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting I've been running Mythtv for over a year. It's the only way I watch TV now. Sure beats the heck out of Tivo or those other DVRs.) I've been (meaning to put something together for a future meeting, but that probably won't happen until later this year. Maybe I'll bring my myth box down to the installfest to show off as a demo. Matthew Johnson wrote: > Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed > mythtv? Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get > it working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson > > http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall > > > On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting >> >> Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly >> meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to >> stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and >> their core software management technology called Conary. >> >> When: >> Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 >> Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm >> Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm >> >> If you plan on attending, please register here: >> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php >> >> Where: >> Heritage Christian Academy >> 15655 Bass Lake Road >> Maple Grove, MN 55311 >> >> You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. >> Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. >> >> Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. >> >> * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other >> cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to >> have too much than not enough. >> * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a >> copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure >> you have something to install. >> >> If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can >> print out. >> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsaxton at cems.umn.edu Thu May 18 11:09:34 2006 From: jsaxton at cems.umn.edu (John Saxton) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:09:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops In-Reply-To: <446C97E9.5040004@cdf123.net> References: <446C97E9.5040004@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <446C9C3E.7010203@cems.umn.edu> For the record, you're not going to get much battery life out of any laptop from this era. Regarding local retailers, que computers is the only place I know of (although I'm sure there are more out there). http://www.quecomputers.com Best of luck, John Chris Frederick wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking for a cheap and old laptop. Less than $100. Somewhere in >the 90Mhz to 200Mhz, P.Pro/PII range. Hopefully a Thinkpad, but I'd >settle for other brands. > >I'm hoping to find one to load Gentoo on it, and run it as a VNC thin >client. I'm only going to load tightvnc, xorg, and esd. > >I've found a few on Ebay, but I haven't had much luck through auction >sites, and since I'm taking someone's word for the condition, I'd rather >not go that route. I've also found a few online liquidators that have >some, but most want to sell in bulk, and it's rare to find one thats >been thoroughly tested. > >There's got to be more of these out there. Where do they all go? Does >anyone know of a local retailer or liquidator that sells to the public, >where you can inspect the machine before you buy it? These things are >too slow to run WinXP/2K, so their nothing but a paperweight to most of >the general public. I would think that they would be going for next to >nothing. > >Any advice on where I should be looking for something like this? > >Thanks all, >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From clay at fandre.com Thu May 18 13:16:15 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clayton Fandre) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:16:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3FF@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF3FF@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <446CB9EF.20809@fandre.com> OK. I will try to put together a "mini Mythtv Howto". I do have Systm episode 2 on my Mythbox so maybe I'll just play that instead and just do a Q&A session afterwards. http://revision3.com/systm/mythtv/ Wayne Johnson wrote: > I'd like to see that too. I tried mythtv, but didn't get much working. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:57 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting > > > I've been running Mythtv for over a year. It's the only way I watch TV > now. Sure beats the heck out of Tivo or those other DVRs.) I've been > (meaning to put something together for a future meeting, but that > probably won't happen until later this year. > > Maybe I'll bring my myth box down to the installfest to show off as a demo. > > > Matthew Johnson wrote: >> Ok, I'm kinda getting excited about this. Has anyone ever installed >> mythtv? Maybe it doesn't count as a distribution, but I would like to get >> it working with my hdtv card. -Matt Johnson >> >> http://www.mythtv.org//modules.php?name=MythInstall >> >> >> On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: >>> TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting >>> >>> Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly >>> meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to >>> stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and >>> their core software management technology called Conary. >>> >>> When: >>> Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 >>> Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm >>> Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm >>> >>> If you plan on attending, please register here: >>> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php >>> >>> Where: >>> Heritage Christian Academy >>> 15655 Bass Lake Road >>> Maple Grove, MN 55311 >>> >>> You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. >>> Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. >>> >>> Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. >>> >>> * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other >>> cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to >>> have too much than not enough. >>> * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a >>> copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure >>> you have something to install. >>> >>> If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can >>> print out. >>> http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu May 18 15:21:16 2006 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:21:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0605181321n6ff32934s9cdbbff6c7ae1424@mail.gmail.com> Hey y'all- As I've said before, I'm a total rookie to Linux, and would in no way feel competent enough to join in any technical capacity, but if there's gruntwork to be done (hookup/tear down help, sign in table, whatever), I'm available to help. Let me know if you need an extra pair of hands... -p. On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: > > TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting > > Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly > meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to > stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and > their core software management technology called Conary. > > When: > Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 > Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm > Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm > > If you plan on attending, please register here: > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php > > Where: > Heritage Christian Academy > 15655 Bass Lake Road > Maple Grove, MN 55311 > > You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. > Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. > > Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. > > * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other > cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to > have too much than not enough. > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). It's a good idea to burn a > copy of a distro that you are planning on installing. This will ensure > you have something to install. > > If you would like to promote the installfest, here is a flyer you can > print out. > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/installfest-06-03-2006.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060518/8687653c/attachment.htm From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Thu May 18 20:26:37 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:26:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] Message-ID: I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174118 $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. [fail] $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so that's ok) 2) Setting up User Mode Linux http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178313 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu PCs/Laptops http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178991 Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one of these three topics, I would be very thankful. God bless -jordan From scotjenkins at gmail.com Fri May 19 02:14:35 2006 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 02:14:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops In-Reply-To: <446C9C3E.7010203@cems.umn.edu> References: <446C97E9.5040004@cdf123.net> <446C9C3E.7010203@cems.umn.edu> Message-ID: On 5/18/06, John Saxton wrote: > For the record, you're not going to get much battery life out of any > laptop from this era. John's right; you'll probably be lucky to get 1-1.5 hrs on a brand new battery for that era of laptop. Batteries are consumables and don't last forever. You could try MPC or their ebay store (there's a link at http://materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html). -- scot From j at packetgod.com Fri May 19 10:46:17 2006 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:46:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap/Old Laptops In-Reply-To: References: <446C97E9.5040004@cdf123.net> <446C9C3E.7010203@cems.umn.edu> Message-ID: <446DE849.8050207@packetgod.com> Keep an eye on craigs list for MPLS/St. Paul. Its a great source for old computer stuff. Plus these types of systems come up from time to time in the local freecycle list. --j PS: My old laptop no longer functions off of AC and new batteries cost more than the system is worth :) Scot Jenkins wrote: > On 5/18/06, John Saxton wrote: > >> For the record, you're not going to get much battery life out of any >> laptop from this era. >> > > John's right; you'll probably be lucky to get 1-1.5 hrs on a brand new > battery for that era of laptop. Batteries are consumables and don't > last forever. > > You could try MPC or their ebay store (there's a link at > http://materialsprocessing.com/surplus.html). > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzib at gmail.com Fri May 19 11:41:47 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It doesn't matter what Linux calls your ethernet interface as long as it works and you know which interface is which card. Most of the wireless drivers I've used before stick with the default ethX, but some chipsets go with wanX, and Atheros chipsets use athX. It's just a name. I'm assuming you're using the ndiswrapper and wpasupplicant packages from Ubunu, and not compliling your own? Keep in mind Drapper isn't released yet, so things might work. Though they are in the release canidate phase. ;) Output of lspci should tell us useful information about your sound card. Output of dmesg should give some indication of your network card. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri May 19 12:03:22 2006 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:03:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] kernel panic after lilo In-Reply-To: References: <446B73B9.7090406@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20060519120322.73fcebcc.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 17 May 2006 14:35:04 -0500 "Noah Markon" wrote: > On 5/17/06, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I recently upgrade a kernel on my laptop (slackware 10.1) from > > 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 (using "make oldconfig" from 2.6.15's kernel > > config). I pulled up lilo.conf and just replaced 15 with 16 > > and reran lilo - no problems. Now when booting though I get > > this fun message: > > > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > > unknown-block (3,4) > > > I've had a problem similar to this. Turns out that my HD was > formatted as a filesystem that I didn't compile into the kernel. > Thus the kernel didn't know what to do with the HD. Got around to rebuilding the kernel yesterday - ReiserFS was compiled as a module - there was no initrd (or was there ever) so I changed this to be built into the kernel. Thanks, Josh From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri May 19 13:26:05 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:26:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605191826.k4JIQ5911166@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Computers and Computer Parts Analog Edge Joystick - $Free Analog Game Port Plus Riser Card - $Free OpticPro 4830Pro Scanner with powersupply - $Free All Harddrives - Free Quantium 530mb hdd Western Digital 639mb and Western Digital 850mb hdd Seagate 1gb hdd x2 Maxtor 4gb hdd Compaq presario cds 954 Desktop - $Free 98mb of ram 100mhz 486 Pentium 3gb hdd cd-rom upgraded 16mb videocard. Compaq Deskpro - $10 Intel Pentium II at 330mhz 128mb ram 4gb scsi hdd 2 cd-roms Hp Vectra VE Desktop - $ 10 330mhz or a 450mhz Intel Pentium II No Memory 3gb hdd 2 cd-rom drives Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From erikerik at gmail.com Fri May 19 16:22:41 2006 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:22:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: recommended alternatives to the Geek Squad? Message-ID: All - I have a client who is looking for a consultancy firm that would provide basic desktop support for a small network. We're talking ~5 workstations and a mail/file server. The Geek Squad is an obvious answer, but due to reasons I won't discuss here, I'd rather not recommend them. Have any of you worked with or otherwise had experience with any businesses that do on-call type of support for desktop issues? Thanks- Erik -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org From nate at ima.umn.edu Fri May 19 16:31:53 2006 From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:31:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Laptop for sale Message-ID: <446E3949.2010802@ima.umn.edu> I'm looking to sell my Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop. I purchased this laptop brand new about 3 years ago. I'm selling it because I want a smaller laptop (12" or 14"). System Information --------------------------------------------------------- Model: Dell Inspiron 8500 Display: WUXGA 1920x1200 15.4" Wide Screen Video Card: NVidia Go 4200 CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.00GHz Network: Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller DVD/CD-ROM: CDRW/DVD Memory: 512mb Hard Drive: 30GB BATTERY: TWO 9C batteries (3+ hours run time each) Modem: 56K V.90 Internal Modem Price: $650 --------------------------------------------------------- This is a very nice laptop and not very old, nor slow. I used it primarily as a mobile gaming laptop (BF1942, War3, WoW, and more). At this point in my life I am more interested in a 12" light weight laptop with less power consumption. This dell is way more CPU power then I need. I am looking to sell this for $650. It includes a second battery and a swappable or pluggable floppy drive. I will also include a brand new D-Link Wireless (b/g) PCMCIA card. -- ============================================== Nate Sanders nate at ima.umn.edu Associate Systems Manager (612) 624 - 4353 http://www.ima.umn.edu/ ============================================== Institute for Mathematics and its Applications University of Minnesota 400 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55455-0463 ============================================== From dru at druswanderings.net Fri May 19 16:37:58 2006 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:37:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: recommended alternatives to the Geek Squad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446E3AB6.1050401@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Anderson wrote: > Have any of you worked with or otherwise had experience with any > businesses that do on-call type of support for desktop issues? We've used these guys a couple times at my work... http://www.333tech.com I've also talked to the owner of NISI, he's an old *nix guy. Though, I've not had to use his services. http://www.nisi.us - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEbjq2iwhv4FBqkV8RAh3eAJ48CbQgvHFRQhogpu2sUR+p4KG/hQCfXiCN O5u30yXAZ9Gl+opBBN780RQ= =YN/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dniesen at gmail.com Fri May 19 19:35:19 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:35:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: recommended alternatives to the Geek Squad? In-Reply-To: <446E3AB6.1050401@druswanderings.net> References: <446E3AB6.1050401@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70605191735l2cd7c3fejb98b23d9fd8b39ce@mail.gmail.com> On 5/19/06, The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erik Anderson wrote: > > Have any of you worked with or otherwise had experience with any > > businesses that do on-call type of support for desktop issues? > > We've used these guys a couple times at my work... > http://www.333tech.com > > I've also talked to the owner of NISI, he's an old *nix guy. Though, > I've not had to use his services. > http://www.nisi.us > > - -- > The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F > http://www.druswanderings.net > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFEbjq2iwhv4FBqkV8RAh3eAJ48CbQgvHFRQhogpu2sUR+p4KG/hQCfXiCN > O5u30yXAZ9Gl+opBBN780RQ= > =YN/T > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Warning, shameless plug follows. I'm the founder of a small consulting firm in Minneapolis and I believe we would be a perfect fit for you. The name of the company is The Tech Outfit, LLC. You may have seen me in the Star Tribune on Monday (http://www.startribune.com/462/story/432173.html). Our focus is small business and residential support so we would be right down your alley. The prices are competitive with most and we boast a quick response time. Feel free to email, call or browse, whatever suits your fancy. Office: 612-605-8383 Web: www.thetechoutfit.com -- Donovan Niesen From clay at fandre.com Sat May 20 07:33:24 2006 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:33:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Laptop for sale In-Reply-To: <446E3949.2010802@ima.umn.edu> References: <446E3949.2010802@ima.umn.edu> Message-ID: <446F0C94.2030400@fandre.com> Hey, I just wanted to remind everyone about the TCLUG classifieds. It's a way to post things and have them easily be found instead of having them buried in some email. It also send an email out to the list automatically so you don't need to double-post. Let me know if you have any suggestions on how to make it better. Thanks. http://www.tclug.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi -- Clay Nate Sanders wrote: > I'm looking to sell my Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop. I purchased this > laptop brand new about 3 years ago. I'm selling it because I want a > smaller laptop (12" or 14"). > > System Information > --------------------------------------------------------- > Model: Dell Inspiron 8500 > Display: WUXGA 1920x1200 15.4" Wide Screen > Video Card: NVidia Go 4200 > CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.00GHz > Network: Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller > DVD/CD-ROM: CDRW/DVD > Memory: 512mb > Hard Drive: 30GB > BATTERY: TWO 9C batteries (3+ hours run time each) > Modem: 56K V.90 Internal Modem > > Price: $650 > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This is a very nice laptop and not very old, nor slow. I used it > primarily as a mobile gaming laptop (BF1942, War3, WoW, and more). At > this point in my life I am more interested in a 12" light weight laptop > with less power consumption. This dell is way more CPU power then I need. > > I am looking to sell this for $650. It includes a second battery and a > swappable or pluggable floppy drive. I will also include a brand new > D-Link Wireless (b/g) PCMCIA card. > From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sat May 20 13:51:46 2006 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:51:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon XP vs MP? In-Reply-To: References: <051020061451.25171.4461FE0F00051E3B0000625322058844840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: sounds like a fun project to me. Especially if the stuff is just laying around... On 5/10/06, Munir Nassar wrote: > auditodd at comcast.net writes: > > > My brief search for a dual processor MB has specified the Athlon MP for > > processors. > > thats because MP stands for Multiple Processors > > > Does anyone know if the XP can be installed in place of an MP processor > > and still work? > > > > From what I've been able to find so far, there doesn't appear to be any > > difference. > > There is a very big difference, AMD has locked the XP models to NOT work in > SMP. Now i have heard of motherboards that work around that lock, more > commonly people have used the pencil trick to fool the motherboard(or the > processor, dont remember which) into thinking that the processor is an MP. > It goes something like this: using a pencil draw a line between point X and > Y on your AthlonXP to make it an MP. Needless to say this will in fact void > your warranty. > > So, no the XP will not work in SMP mode unless otherwise hacked. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From austad at signal15.com Sat May 20 21:28:01 2006 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:28:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] satellite modem replacement Message-ID: <584A3EB8-49E5-466C-A87D-816E2915FECA@signal15.com> Anyone know if someone makes a drop in replacement for the iDirect NetModem II+ satellite router? One of our members is in Iraq, and he's hitting a software bug that only allows 1024 connections, and then the router crashes. Looking for something he can drop into place using the same satellite dish that doesn't have this silly limit. The iDirect people said that they know of the bug, but don't know when it will be fixed. ~jay From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Sun May 21 15:10:08 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:10:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In short; renaming my wireless from eth1 to wlan0 so that it matches ndiswrapper. Yes, I'm using precompiled packages, and the issue with the naming scheme is that in System>Administration>Networking the wireless card is named as eth1. I've just set up wlan0 with ndiswrapper, but I need to change one or the other so that they match. Otherwise, if I set up my Networking program, it'll be assigning everything to eth1, which has no connection to the ndiswrapper.....does that make sense? So I know it doesn't matter what it's called, but it does need to keep the same name..that's wherein the problem lies. Hope that clarifies where the issue is. From brockn at gmail.com Mon May 22 01:41:46 2006 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 01:41:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? Message-ID: <741dcbb80605212341o36fd980dr2f83db070f9de384@mail.gmail.com> I am wondering if anyone has experience with the new "hi speed" wireless offerings from Cingular/Verizon and VPN or ssh? I am wondering whether these types of connections could hold that type of session? No reason to doubt it... Brock From dniesen at gmail.com Mon May 22 09:39:16 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:39:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? Message-ID: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? -- Donovan Niesen From auditodd at comcast.net Mon May 22 09:26:30 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:26:30 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? Message-ID: <052220061426.13677.4471CA160008619C0000356D22007481840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> If you are referring to the new EVDO cellular offerrings from Sprint and Verizon, then yes, I've had experience with them. Unfortunately, I have not seen any support for Linux yet. They do work with software VPNs in Windows though, as we have been using them for a few months now and plan to expand usage. There is an alternative for Mac/Linux users call the Linksys/Kyocera KR1, but right now it does not support most third party VPN traffic (only basic MS VPN type traffic). This is a major sticking point for a LOT of users and some of the sites selling the KR1 have put a disclaimer on their sites that if you want to use the KR1 with a VPN client you should wait and they might solve the problem in a future firmware update. Sprint also has such a router, but I'm not sure of the model. We are supposed to get one from Sprint for testing. Good information site: http://www.evdoinfo.com/ -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Brock Noland" > I am wondering if anyone has experience with the new "hi speed" > wireless offerings from Cingular/Verizon and VPN or ssh? I am > wondering whether these types of connections could hold that type of > session? > > No reason to doubt it... Brock > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gscottwalters at gmail.com Mon May 22 09:48:14 2006 From: gscottwalters at gmail.com (G. Scott Walters) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:48:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? Too busy to drill the holes in the padders yourself? We use DBAN, a bootable cd or floppy to erase our drives before disposing of them. Unless the bios requires it, you can just power the machine on, and let boot and erase. I think there are other such programs out there that will do an equally good job. On 5/22/06, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- - G. Scott Walters http://www.apt518.net From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Mon May 22 09:52:49 2006 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148309569.6160.262026916@webmail.messagingengine.com> Drills are more fun and you get to keep the magnets! ----- Original message ----- From: "G. Scott Walters" To: "Donovan Niesen" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:48:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? Too busy to drill the holes in the padders yourself? We use DBAN, a bootable cd or floppy to erase our drives before disposing of them. Unless the bios requires it, you can just power the machine on, and let boot and erase. I think there are other such programs out there that will do an equally good job. On 5/22/06, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- - G. Scott Walters http://www.apt518.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dniesen at gmail.com Mon May 22 10:02:55 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:02:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70605220802x19220becwa712e00edae234af@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/06, G. Scott Walters wrote: > What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? > > Too busy to drill the holes in the padders yourself? We use DBAN, a > bootable cd or floppy to erase our drives before disposing of them. > Unless the bios requires it, you can just power the machine on, and > let boot and erase. I think there are other such programs out there > that will do an equally good job. > > On 5/22/06, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > > > > > -- > > Donovan Niesen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > - > G. Scott Walters > http://www.apt518.net > I'm fine with wiping and drilling my own drives, but I know of some who would be more interested in having a company who physically destroys it and provides them with a spiffy little piece of paper saying that it has been destroyed. -- Donovan Niesen From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon May 22 10:03:43 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:03:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2006, G. Scott Walters wrote: > What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? Some businesses and organizations (banks and government agencies, for example) have some insane standards on drive destructions. Writing 32 passes of random data and then taking the thing apart and using the platters as coasters doesn't cut it. The drives need to be bulk-erased a few thousand times and then SHREDDED. You do NOT take chances with sensitive data. Or you shouldn't, anyway. -Yaron -- From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Mon May 22 10:16:56 2006 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0605220816m7d3abc18s835c6d756f1bbbd3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/06, Yaron wrote: > On Mon, 22 May 2006, G. Scott Walters wrote: > > > What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? > > Some businesses and organizations (banks and government agencies, for > example) have some insane standards on drive destructions. Now, if only those same institutions had good procedures in place for shipping backup tapes around and disclosing data theft in a timely manner, that would be nice. From ewilts at ewilts.org Mon May 22 10:44:52 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:44:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 09:39:16AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? Try Asset Recovery Corporation, 2299 Territorial Road, STP 651-602-0789 or 800-472-2081. http://www.assetrecoverycorp.com/ From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu May 18 14:03:21 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:03:21 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Q: How do I erase my hard drive? A: Given the often sensitive nature of data remaining on hard drives, its important to consider what may happen to your hard drive upon disposal. Conventional attempts to erase or reformat hard drives may leave =EF=BF=BDshadow=EF=BF=BD data that is recoverable. To delete information from hard drives, ARC uses a scrubbing program designed to completely delete all data remaining on drives. The program then rewrites the drive several times with a series of random digits. The drive is rendered clean of any previous data. No trace of data or programs will remain. For customers who drop-off equipment, this service is available for a charge of =2410 per drive. = No mention of certification, but my employer seems to be happy with what they do. .../Ed -- = Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts=40ewilts.org Member =231, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon May 22 10:21:49 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:21:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? In-Reply-To: <052220061426.13677.4471CA160008619C0000356D22007481840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <052220061426.13677.4471CA160008619C0000356D22007481840B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2006, auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > If you are referring to the new EVDO cellular offerrings from Sprint and > Verizon, then yes, I've had experience with them. > > Unfortunately, I have not seen any support for Linux yet. Todd, I like you, but I gotta ask: what the hell are you talking about? Looking at Sprint's list of EVDO cards: http://www.sprint.com/business/products/phoneCategories/connectionCards_phones.html Two out of the three (the PC-5740 and the Merlin S620) are quite documented to work with Linux (the former a little more so than the latter): http://kenkinder.com/evdo-pc5740/ http://www.swflug.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=32 http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/08/2138237 http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~kfu22/evdo/ (Mind, at least the PC-5740 is also available via Verizon.) Haven't tried either yet, as tempted as I am. Jima From rwh at visi.com Mon May 22 11:09:15 2006 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:09:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <4471E22B.4060604@visi.com> If anyone is interested in the issues involved, Peter Guttman's paper is available at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html --rick Ed Wilts wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 09:39:16AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: >> Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > Try Asset Recovery Corporation, 2299 Territorial Road, STP > 651-602-0789 or 800-472-2081. > > http://www.assetrecoverycorp.com/ > > From the FAQ online: > > Q: How do I erase my hard drive? > A: Given the often sensitive nature of data remaining on hard drives, > its important to consider what may happen to your hard drive upon > disposal. Conventional attempts to erase or reformat hard drives may > leave ?shadow? data that is recoverable. > > To delete information from hard drives, ARC uses a scrubbing program > designed to completely delete all data remaining on drives. The program > then rewrites the drive several times with a series of random digits. > The drive is rendered clean of any previous data. No trace of data or > programs will remain. For customers who drop-off equipment, this service > is available for a charge of $10 per drive. > > > No mention of certification, but my employer seems to be happy with what > they do. > > .../Ed > From ewilts at ewilts.org Mon May 22 12:16:56 2006 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:16:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <307a337f0605220816m7d3abc18s835c6d756f1bbbd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f0605220816m7d3abc18s835c6d756f1bbbd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060522171656.GB18749@www.ewilts.org> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:16:56AM -0500, Ryan wrote: > On 5/22/06, Yaron wrote: > > Some businesses and organizations (banks and government agencies, for > > example) have some insane standards on drive destructions. > > Now, if only those same institutions had good procedures in place for > shipping backup tapes around and disclosing data theft in a timely > manner, that would be nice. The good ones don't need to disclose data theft - they encrypt the tapes so if the tape goes missing, it won't do anybody any good. We're starting to see Decru/NetApp and Neoscale tape encryption devices pop up. For example, a large local bank has appliances to encrypt their tapes. The more companies that have these, the safer we'll be (and no, I don't have any relationships with the appliance vendors). -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon May 22 17:36:56 2006 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:36:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <34b4c76d0605220748v2686f2bcnb39d6123be0c0302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <914f813c0605221536n4a1519b5ke6939e1348fe9e72@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/06, G. Scott Walters wrote: > What do you mean by "Certified Hard Drive Destruction"? > > Too busy to drill the holes in the padders yourself? We use DBAN, a > bootable cd or floppy to erase our drives before disposing of them. > Unless the bios requires it, you can just power the machine on, and > let boot and erase. I think there are other such programs out there > that will do an equally good job. Hard to do (and more expensive, man-hour wise) if you've got, say, four hundred drives per year to yank, wipe with DBAN, then drill through. Not to mention issues with just picking up a drill if you're in a state/federal (read: unionized) organization. And yes, I'm being *slightly* facetious. From kcbnac at gmail.com Tue May 23 04:10:12 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 04:10:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0605181321n6ff32934s9cdbbff6c7ae1424@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <1f729feb0605181321n6ff32934s9cdbbff6c7ae1424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32fd45370605230210h7e480f87i56a9d4d042875e97@mail.gmail.com> Hands are always useful. Bring a spare box, get it installed too :D Follow a guru around (for your chosen distro, or a random one) watch what they do - learn :D I'd love to make it, but I work on Saturdays. I can try to swap with someone else if you guys think me being there would be extremely beneficial, otherwise I may have to hold off til a later date (we should alternate, one on a Saturday one on a Sunday, perhaps, back and forth for meetings/installfests?) Side topic: when's/where our next beer meeting? Keith Bachman Geek Squad / Black Ops Specialist 763.607.3210 On 5/18/06, Pete Daniels wrote: > > Hey y'all- > As I've said before, I'm a total rookie to Linux, and would in no way feel > competent enough to join in any technical capacity, but if there's gruntwork > to be done (hookup/tear down help, sign in table, whatever), I'm available > to help. Let me know if you need an extra pair of hands... > > -p. > > On 5/18/06, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > TCLUG Installfest / Monthly meeting > > > > Next month we will be having an Installfest as well as a monthly > > meeting. Dave Christian from rPath (http://www.rpath.com/) is going to > > stop in to talk about some of their cool products, such as rBuilder and > > their core software management technology called Conary. > > > > When: > > Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 > > Installfest time: 10:00am - 5:00pm > > Presentation time: Approximately noon-1pm > > > > If you plan on attending, please register here: > > http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php > > > > Where: > > Heritage Christian Academy > > 15655 Bass Lake Road > > Maple Grove, MN 55311 > > > > You can enter from Bass Lake Road, Vicksburg, or Nottingham Pky. > > Warning: Bass Lake Road is under construction East of there. > > > > Additional details about the installfest; please read and heed. > > > > * Please bring network cables, power strips or any other > > cables/accessories you need to make your computer go. It's better to > > have too much than not enough. > > * BYOM (bring your own CDR/CDRW media). 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060523/9de1f105/attachment.htm From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue May 23 09:05:06 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:05:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <32fd45370605230210h7e480f87i56a9d4d042875e97@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <1f729feb0605181321n6ff32934s9cdbbff6c7ae1424@mail.gmail.com> <32fd45370605230210h7e480f87i56a9d4d042875e97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 May 2006, Keith Bachman wrote: > I'd love to make it, but I work on Saturdays. I can try to swap with > someone else if you guys think me being there would be extremely beneficial, > otherwise I may have to hold off til a later date (we should alternate, one > on a Saturday one on a Sunday, perhaps, back and forth for > meetings/installfests?) Hey, it could be worse: You could have to be in Iowa that day. :| > Side topic: when's/where our next beer meeting? Rumor had it at the last Beer Meeting that the next one might be at Pizza Luce downtown. > Keith Bachman > Geek Squad / Black Ops Specialist You posted your job title to a mailing list? That's a lot of bodies to hide. ;) Jima From auditodd at comcast.net Tue May 23 10:59:11 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:59:11 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? Message-ID: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Sorry, let me clarify. I haven't looked into using the EVDO cards with Linux because my company is a Windows shop and all I've seen is the Windows installation software. My bad. :-) -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jima > On Mon, 22 May 2006, auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > > If you are referring to the new EVDO cellular offerrings from Sprint and > > Verizon, then yes, I've had experience with them. > > > > Unfortunately, I have not seen any support for Linux yet. > > Todd, I like you, but I gotta ask: what the hell are you talking about? > Looking at Sprint's list of EVDO cards: > > http://www.sprint.com/business/products/phoneCategories/connectionCards_phones.h > tml > > Two out of the three (the PC-5740 and the Merlin S620) are quite > documented to work with Linux (the former a little more so than the > latter): > > http://kenkinder.com/evdo-pc5740/ > http://www.swflug.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=32 > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/08/2138237 > > http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~kfu22/evdo/ > > (Mind, at least the PC-5740 is also available via Verizon.) > Haven't tried either yet, as tempted as I am. > > Jima From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue May 23 11:25:56 2006 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:25:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? In-Reply-To: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 May 2006, auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > Sorry, let me clarify. > I haven't looked into using the EVDO cards with Linux because my company > is a Windows shop and all I've seen is the Windows installation > software. > > My bad. :-) Oh, well, that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. And yes, as far as I've read, no one's tried to activate one of those using Linux; everyone seems to say "activate it using Windows, then move it to Linux." Jima From sac at cheesecake.org Tue May 23 11:36:47 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:36:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? In-Reply-To: References: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060523163647.GA8747@cheesecake.org> On Tue, 23 May 2006 at 11.25.56 -0500, Jima wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > > Sorry, let me clarify. > > I haven't looked into using the EVDO cards with Linux because my company > > is a Windows shop and all I've seen is the Windows installation > > software. > > > > My bad. :-) > > Oh, well, that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. And yes, as far as > I've read, no one's tried to activate one of those using Linux; everyone > seems to say "activate it using Windows, then move it to Linux." One might have better luck with one of the new phones that do both EV-DO and Bluetooth. Sprint are selling some of these presently, and I think Verizon and Cingular (s/EV-DO/EDGE/) are as well. I don't believe any activation is required beyond activating the phone qua phone, although one must have the appropriate data miscellany in one's plan. I'd not go with Cingular though, as EDGE is roughly ISDN speed, whereas EV-DO can go quite a bit faster. Whatever you do, don't end up using GPRS. SSH over GPRS is the way of pain. -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Tue May 23 12:28:03 2006 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:28:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Here is how I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work on the Dapper live CD. http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ I tried repeating the steps and it seems I left out the correct sequence for adding the wireless card through gnome. Jeff Rasmussen On 5/18/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to > worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of > this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the > forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... > > 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop > > You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t4118 > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is > already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. > Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. > [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop > * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start > sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found > > I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is > still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to > change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? > > (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so > that's ok) > > 2) Setting up User Mode Linux > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t8313 > > 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu PCs/Laptops > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t8991 > > Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, > and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths > without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one > of these three topics, I would be very thankful. God bless > > -jordan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060523/bd804e8d/attachment.htm From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue May 23 13:10:20 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:10:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot! I'll give that a try this afternoon. Also for the list; has anyone got any experience with User Mode Linux at all? On 5/23/06, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > Here is how I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work on the Dapper live CD. > > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ > > I tried repeating the steps and it seems I left out the correct sequence for > adding the wireless card through gnome. > > Jeff Rasmussen > > > > On 5/18/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to > worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of > this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the > forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... > > 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop > > You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174118 > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is > already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. > Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. > [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop > * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start > sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found > > I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is > still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to > change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? > > (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so > that's ok) > > 2) Setting up User Mode Linux > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178313 > > 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu PCs/Laptops > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178991 > > Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, > and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths > without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one > of these three topics, I would be very thankful. God bless > > -jordan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jeff Rasmussen > GPG public key 0x9686C12F > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From kc0iog at gmail.com Tue May 23 15:45:07 2006 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:45:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <2c6699da0605231345i5c99736ex71ff2f1b92f71d58@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/06, Ed Wilts wrote: > To delete information from hard drives, ARC uses a scrubbing program > designed to completely delete all data remaining on drives. The program > then rewrites the drive several times with a series of random digits. > The drive is rendered clean of any previous data. No trace of data or > programs will remain. For customers who drop-off equipment, this service > is available for a charge of $10 per drive. So they run DBAN? That's not nearly good enough for REAL destruction. The paper by Peter Guttman that was referenced is an EXCELLENT read, and it will definitely scare you. 35 passes with DBAN is still recoverable for the person with enough time and money. True destruction can only be achieved by melting or grinding the drive to oblivion. Anyone know of a company that provides a service like that? Maybe just a scrap metal dealer with a 3000+ degree furnace? -Brian From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue May 23 15:44:02 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:44:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: All was well up to the last stage: I entered sudo wpa_supplicant -c/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dmadwifi -ieth1 Failed to read read or parse configuration '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. Is there a way to make wlan0 (what my ndiswrapper thinks is my wireless card) the same as eth1 (what Ubuntu thinks is my wireless card)? Thanks again -jordan On 5/23/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Thanks a lot! I'll give that a try this afternoon. > > Also for the list; has anyone got any experience with User Mode Linux at all? > > On 5/23/06, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > > > Here is how I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work on the Dapper live CD. > > > > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ > > > > I tried repeating the steps and it seems I left out the correct sequence for > > adding the wireless card through gnome. > > > > Jeff Rasmussen > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > > > I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to > > worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of > > this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the > > forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... > > > > 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop > > > > You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174118 > > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is > > already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. > > Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. > > [fail] > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop > > * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start > > sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found > > > > I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is > > still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to > > change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? > > > > (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so > > that's ok) > > > > 2) Setting up User Mode Linux > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178313 > > > > 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu PCs/Laptops > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178991 > > > > Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, > > and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths > > without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one > > of these three topics, I would be very thankful. God bless > > > > -jordan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Rasmussen > > GPG public key 0x9686C12F > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:54:08 2006 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:54:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0605231345i5c99736ex71ff2f1b92f71d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> <2c6699da0605231345i5c99736ex71ff2f1b92f71d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44738480.6040809@gmail.com> > > True destruction can only be achieved by melting or grinding the drive > to oblivion. Anyone know of a company that provides a service like > that? Maybe just a scrap metal dealer with a 3000+ degree furnace? > You need one of these: http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/computers.htm Lots of fun clips here: http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/watch-en.htm Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From josh at joshwelch.com Wed May 24 07:50:39 2006 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:50:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <44738480.6040809@gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <20060522154452.GC15718@www.ewilts.org> <2c6699da0605231345i5c99736ex71ff2f1b92f71d58@mail.gmail.com> <44738480.6040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060524075039.g3pu0pz71p7kk0gk@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Dan Armbrust : > > You need one of these: > http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/computers.htm > > Lots of fun clips here: > http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/watch-en.htm > I'm not sure that I will ever have a steel drum full of concrete, but if I do it is comforting to know there is a way to deal with it. Josh From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed May 24 09:26:07 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:26:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT _ baseball_for_free Message-ID: <2006052414260791be513910@mail.smumn.edu> I have five Twins Tickets - Maybe more for Saturday May 27th againts the Seattle Mariners. The seating assignment is sec 230 and you can view it here http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/min/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp If interested please let me know! Dave "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From j at packetgod.com Wed May 24 10:30:50 2006 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44747C2A.2050908@packetgod.com> Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > > So I don't think this was actually ever answered exactly so I'll throw this out. Shred Right does this with certified proof of destruction, they record the serial number off the drive and give you a record of it's shredding. They actually take the hard drive and throw it in a shredding machine. I think they are about 2$ a disk. They are at shredrightnow.com and are in St. Paul. And no I don't work for them. --j From andyzib at gmail.com Wed May 24 12:50:30 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:50:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: PE750 CD-ROM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dropped this on teh Linux PowerEdge List as well, but maybe the local LUGgers have an idea. :) I'm running Ubuntu Hoary on a Power Edge 750 with a SATA RAID card (aacraid). Everything is working great except for the CD-RW drive is not being detected. I'm running kernel 2.6.11-1-686 (Ubuntu provided kernel.) I've found other references to this problem, but I haven't discovered the resoultion as of yet, and I'd like to use my CD-RW. Right now I just need to read data. CD burning wouldn't hurt though. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From florin at iucha.net Wed May 24 13:18:50 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:18:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: PE750 CD-ROM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060524181850.GH7905@iucha.net> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 12:50:30PM -0500, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > I'm running Ubuntu Hoary on a Power Edge 750 with a SATA RAID card > (aacraid). Everything is working great except for the CD-RW drive is > not being detected. Is it an IDE device? Can you post the dmesg? What modules do you have loaded? florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060524/aaece237/attachment.pgp From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed May 24 14:15:52 2006 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:15:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70605180801l77b95ff2r5456dad16bc40f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <7d3948c70605180746w2b6ba5cr9d6b0524237a210f@mail.gmail.com> <7d3948c70605180801l77b95ff2r5456dad16bc40f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0605241215p7c8e9de5u39d6273d7c7d0f4f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/06, Matthew Johnson wrote: > That's right, I remember now. I was installing knoppmyth, which I suppose > would count as a distribution. I my last attempt was over a year ago, so > I'm fuzzy on what the issues were. I had a lot of sound issues on my first go round of Knoppmyth. I am currently running the latest Knoppmyth build (5B7 I think?) and they seem to have solved many, many issues. I highly recommend giving it another try. -Brian From andyzib at gmail.com Wed May 24 14:20:39 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: PE750 CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <20060524181850.GH7905@iucha.net> References: <20060524181850.GH7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: Spammy, but you asked. :) Output of lsmod: Module Size Used by ide_cd 41092 0 ide_core 128048 1 ide_cd isofs 36408 0 udf 89284 0 cpufreq_stats 5188 0 freq_table 4356 1 cpufreq_stats cpufreq_userspace 4316 0 cpufreq_ondemand 6172 0 cpufreq_powersave 1696 0 video 16036 0 sony_acpi 6024 0 pcc_acpi 11072 0 button 6544 0 battery 10052 0 container 4384 0 ac 4740 0 iptable_filter 2976 1 ip_tables 21664 1 iptable_filter ipv6 256992 22 af_packet 21992 2 tsdev 7648 0 e1000 85972 0 i2c_i801 8524 0 i2c_core 22384 1 i2c_i801 usbhid 33280 0 ehci_hcd 33928 0 uhci_hcd 31984 0 usbcore 118968 4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd shpchp 99364 0 pci_hotplug 33584 1 shpchp intel_mch_agp 10448 0 intel_agp 22556 1 agpgart 33928 2 intel_mch_agp,intel_agp floppy 58928 0 rtc 12536 0 pcspkr 3556 0 evdev 9408 0 md 47536 0 dm_mod 59580 1 capability 4744 0 commoncap 6752 1 capability psmouse 28616 0 mousedev 11544 0 parport_pc 35812 0 lp 11300 0 parport 36808 2 parport_pc,lp ext3 140584 3 jbd 59928 1 ext3 mbcache 10052 1 ext3 sd_mod 18832 5 sr_mod 17316 0 cdrom 40128 2 ide_cd,sr_mod aacraid 46128 8 sg 38688 0 ata_piix 9156 0 libata 46340 1 ata_piix scsi_mod 135644 5 sd_mod,sr_mod,aacraid,sg,libata unix 28276 261 thermal 13416 0 processor 22708 1 thermal fan 4452 0 fbcon 37824 0 crc32 4192 1 fbcon font 8256 1 fbcon bitblit 5536 1 fbcon vesafb 6820 0 cfbcopyarea 3872 1 vesafb cfbimgblt 2976 1 vesafb cfbfillrect 3552 1 vesafb Output of dmesg: Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (buildd at mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Feb 11 15:59:02 UTC 2005 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003ffc0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000003ffc0000 - 000000003ffcfc00 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000003ffcfc00 - 000000003ffff000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec90000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fed20000 - 00000000fed8ffff (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee10000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000ffb00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 127MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000fe710 On node 0 totalpages: 262080 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 225280 pages, LIFO batch:16 HighMem zone: 32704 pages, LIFO batch:7 DMI 2.3 present. ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL ) @ 0x000fdc40 ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL PE750 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdc54 ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL PE750 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdc84 ACPI: MADT (v001 DELL PE750 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdcf8 ACPI: SPCR (v001 DELL PE750 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdd6c ACPI: DSDT (v001 DELL PE7xx 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000e) @ 0x00000000 ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 15:4 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x01] enabled) Processor #1 15:4 APIC version 20 WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached. Processor ignored. ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x02] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 2, version 32, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x03] address[0xfec10000] gsi_base[24]) IOAPIC[1]: apic_id 3, version 32, address 0xfec10000, GSI 24-47 ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 2 I/O APICs Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffc000 (fec00000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffb000 (fec10000) Initializing CPU#0 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes) Detected 3001.888 MHz processor. Using pmtmr for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Memory: 1031180k/1048320k available (1603k kernel code, 16336k reserved, 722k data, 164k init, 130816k highmem) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Calibrating delay loop... 5947.39 BogoMIPS (lpj=2973696) Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Disabled at boot. Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000441d 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000441d 00000000 00000000 monitor/mwait feature present. using mwait in idle threads. CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 1024K CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000080 0000441d 00000000 00000000 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz stepping 01 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found! ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=-1 checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd Freeing initrd memory: 4556k freed NET: Registered protocol family 16 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfc9de, last bus=3 PCI: Using configuration type 1 mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050125 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.2 PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI1._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI2._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI3._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs *3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 *7 10 11 12) Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay pnp: PnP ACPI init pnp: PnP ACPI: found 7 devices PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically. If this ** causes a device to stop working, it is probably because the ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). As a temporary ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old ** behavior. If this argument makes the device work again, ** please email the output of "lspci" to bjorn.helgaas at hp.com ** so I can fix the driver. pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0x800-0x87f could not be reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0x880-0x8bf has been reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0x8c0-0x8cf has been reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0xc00-0xc0f has been reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0xc10-0xc1f has been reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0xca8-0xcb7 has been reserved pnp: 00:06: ioport range 0xc20-0xc3f has been reserved audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) audit(1148487654.154:0): initialized highmem bounce pool size: 64 pages VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch at atnf.csiro.au) devfs: boot_options: 0x0 Initializing Cryptographic API isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found inotify device minor=63 Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A io scheduler noop registered io scheduler anticipatory registered io scheduler deadline registered io scheduler cfq registered RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 8192 buckets, 64Kbytes TCP established hash table entries: 262144 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 65536) NET: Registered protocol family 8 NET: Registered protocol family 20 Restarting tasks...<6> Strange, kswapd0 not stopped Strange, kseriod not stopped done ACPI wakeup devices: PCI0 PCI1 PCI2 PCI3 ACPI: (supports S0 S4 S5) RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 4556KiB [1 disk] into ram disk... | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | / - \ | done. VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 164k freed NET: Registered protocol family 1 SCSI subsystem initialized libata version 1.10 loaded. ata_piix version 1.03 ata_piix: combined mode detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[A]: no GSI - using IRQ 0 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xFEA0 irq 14 ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0210 83:4011 84:4000 85:0000 86:0001 87:4000 88:0407 ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33 ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33 scsi0 : ata_piix ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xFEA8 irq 15 ata2: SATA port has no device. scsi1 : ata_piix Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1.2-lk2 Feb 11 2005) ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:01.0[A] -> GSI 24 (level, low) -> IRQ 24 AAC0: kernel 4.1.4 build 7403 AAC0: monitor 4.1.4 build 7403 AAC0: bios 4.1.0 build 7403 AAC0: serial c61360fafaf001 scsi2 : aacraid Vendor: DELL Model: DATA 1 Rev: V1.0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 SCSI device sda: 312432384 512-byte hdwr sectors (159965 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through SCSI device sda: 312432384 512-byte hdwr sectors (159965 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Stopping tasks: ==| Freeing memory... - \ | / - \ done (446 pages freed) Restarting tasks... done EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. EXT3-fs: recovery complete. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding 1951888k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal lp: driver loaded but no devices found mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice Capability LSM initialized device-mapper: 4.4.0-ioctl (2005-01-12) initialised: dm-devel at redhat.com md: md driver 0.90.1 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on sda3, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on sda4, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. input: PC Speaker Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected an Intel i875 Chipset. agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 941M agpgart: AGP aperture is 4M @ 0xf8000000 cpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.2 pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0 shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0 shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0 shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4 usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Intel Corp. 6300ESB USB Universal Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 16, io base 0xcce0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: Intel Corp. 6300ESB USB Universal Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 19, io base 0xccc0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[D] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: Intel Corp. 6300ESB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 23, pci mem 0xfe400000 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 initialized, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 3-0:1.0: 4 ports detected hw_random: RNG not detected usbcore: registered new driver hiddev usbhid: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -5 usbhid: probe of 1-2:1.1 failed with error -5 usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2 usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.3: enabling SMBus device Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 5.6.10.1-k2 Copyright (c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation. ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:01.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:01:01.0 to 64 input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [Belkin Components USB-PS2 Adapter ] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Belkin Components USB-PS2 Adapter ] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:03:02.0[A] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection NET: Registered protocol family 17 e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c03189a0(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ibm_acpi: ec object not found apm: BIOS not found. eth0: no IPv6 routers present Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From dniesen at gmail.com Wed May 24 14:22:25 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:22:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Certified hard drive destruction? In-Reply-To: <44747C2A.2050908@packetgod.com> References: <47f4d5e70605220739g2902cc9ar7277c4316ee797eb@mail.gmail.com> <44747C2A.2050908@packetgod.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70605241222n2a40ff8bg770bede86a810483@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/06, J Cruit wrote: > Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Anyone know of a local company that does certified hard drive destruction? > > > > > > > So I don't think this was actually ever answered exactly so I'll throw > this out. Shred Right does this with certified proof of destruction, > they record the serial number off the drive and give you a record of > it's shredding. They actually take the hard drive and throw it in a > shredding machine. I think they are about 2$ a disk. They are at > shredrightnow.com and are in St. Paul. > > And no I don't work for them. > > --j > > 16 messages later a perfect solution for $2 with a free paper hat. Thanks! Lotta good ideas in between though. -- Donovan Niesen From florin at iucha.net Wed May 24 14:37:17 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: PE750 CD-ROM In-Reply-To: References: <20060524181850.GH7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20060524193717.GI7905@iucha.net> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 02:20:39PM -0500, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Spammy, but you asked. :) Hrmmm... ok. Can you poke inside the box? Is the CD a Goldstar/LG Electronics unit? Then some linux kernel version you used might have fried its firmware (happened on a CD-ROM I had in a Dell... there was some big noise last year that some Mandrake version was killing CD units). Is the unit jumpered as master? Dell likes to set them to cable select. Can you try and connect another device (known good) to the motherboard connector? florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060524/935942cf/attachment.pgp From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed May 24 17:04:18 2006 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:04:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? In-Reply-To: <20060523163647.GA8747@cheesecake.org> References: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <20060523163647.GA8747@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: I have one of the EVDO phones. I have had no problem creating a SLIP connection to it via bluetooth. It is very handy to have an internet connection wherever you go (within the metro area). On 5/23/06, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 at 11.25.56 -0500, Jima wrote: > > On Tue, 23 May 2006, auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > > > Sorry, let me clarify. > > > I haven't looked into using the EVDO cards with Linux because my company > > > is a Windows shop and all I've seen is the Windows installation > > > software. > > > > > > My bad. :-) > > > > Oh, well, that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. And yes, as far as > > I've read, no one's tried to activate one of those using Linux; everyone > > seems to say "activate it using Windows, then move it to Linux." > > One might have better luck with one of the new phones that do both > EV-DO and Bluetooth. Sprint are selling some of these presently, and > I think Verizon and Cingular (s/EV-DO/EDGE/) are as well. I don't > believe any activation is required beyond activating the phone qua > phone, although one must have the appropriate data miscellany in one's > plan. > > I'd not go with Cingular though, as EDGE is roughly ISDN speed, whereas > EV-DO can go quite a bit faster. > > Whatever you do, don't end up using GPRS. SSH over GPRS is the way of > pain. > > -- > Sidney CAMMERESI > http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From amazingpowersofobservation at comcast.net Wed May 24 17:15:39 2006 From: amazingpowersofobservation at comcast.net (amazing powers of observation) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:15:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] information needed In-Reply-To: References: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <20060523163647.GA8747@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <4474DB0B.807@comcast.net> hi everyone . i wanted to ask the group if they know anything about this company . they are listed on the ubuntu site to offer commercial support for dapper and said to be in Minneapolis and i have tried to reach them via email and phone . they hire contract workers but the phone says they do not exist and the emails say no such host . are they real or a shell company or just put up a website before the company went live . i just wondering if any of you knew of or herd of it ? http://www.opensourcebusinessgroup.com/ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed May 24 17:22:37 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:22:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605242222.k4OMMbB19639@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 1st Generation Imac Hey, All... I have a 1st Generation Imac that I would like to put in a home that someone can use. Specs - 330Mhz G3 Processor 64mb of Memory (Max is 512) 6gb Hard-drive (Will be DoD Wiped) Internal cd-Rom (Does read Cd-r's) Internal Modem/Network Card. Includes Matching Mouse and Keyboard (Usb connectivity) Includes OS Install and Resotre Cd's Includes See-Through Powercord (OEM with product) Color is RED (I'm not to sure of the Apple name for the color) No Warrenty, As is sold. Includes TombRaider for Mac (not sure which version) Price $ asking for $20 but Or Best Offer works as well. Meeting Place or Pick up from me is Preference. Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 24 18:04:22 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Cingular/Verizon Wireless Internet + Terminal/VPN Session? In-Reply-To: References: <052320061559.7573.4473314F0001405300001D9522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <20060523163647.GA8747@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2006, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I have one of the EVDO phones. I have had no problem creating a SLIP > connection to it via bluetooth. It is very handy to have an internet > connection wherever you go (within the metro area). I have an old Treo 600, and I like it. The new Treo 700p looks like a nice update. The Treo 700w is crap - it runs Windows, but at a *lower* screen resolution than the older Treo 650! It looks like the Treo 700p is much better than the old 600 or 650 (more info below). The Sprint Treo 700p (just coming out in the next week or so, I think, or maybe it just came out) will do both EVDO and bluetooth. I looked at Sprint's pages and it looks to me like EVDO is very limited to the metro areas of larger cities and it will probably cost $60 per month. Right now with Sprint I get their unlimited internet service for my Treo 600 for $15/mo., and it works wherever I have Sprint coverage. Of course it's only about 50 kbps, but still, should I want to pay $60/mo for EVDO? Does anyone know if that is really what Sprint will charge? Linux related: I actually run vncviewer on the Treo 600 and use it to connect to a Linux machine. That can be handy. Here is more about the new Treo 700p (I don't work for them!): http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo700p/ http://news.google.com/news?q=%22treo+700p%22 It has twice the resolution of the 600 in both the display and in photos (4 times the pixels as the Treo 600 -- 320x320 display and 1280x1024 photos with white balance). It can record video and do live TV, they say. But the best improvement, I guess, is that it does EvDO (a.k.a., EV-DO) and can act as a modem for a laptop. They claim that average download speeds exceed 400 kbps. It also does bluetooth, but it doesn't do ordinary wifi. It has tons more memory than the Treo 600. It's supposed to have a Powerpoint, Word and PDF viewer and be able to display email attachments such as photos or documents. It can do GMail, they say. Details: http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo700p/pdf/Treo700p_ds.pdf (Don't miss the footnotes in fine print on the lower left.) Mike From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed May 24 20:27:36 2006 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:27:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c82530605241827g4f499663o7e2d6a8b4cf58cc5@mail.gmail.com> You should probably use the wlan0 declaration. What do you see when you type 'ifconfig'? You line should probably be 'sudo wpa_supplicant -c/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0' The -D defines the driver that wpa uses and -i defines the interface. Let me know if that works for you. Jeff Rasmussen On 5/23/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > All was well up to the last stage: I entered > > sudo wpa_supplicant -c/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dmadwifi > -ieth1 > Failed to read read or parse configuration > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. > > Is there a way to make wlan0 (what my ndiswrapper thinks is my > wireless card) the same as eth1 (what Ubuntu thinks is my wireless > card)? > > Thanks again > > -jordan > > On 5/23/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > Thanks a lot! I'll give that a try this afternoon. > > > > Also for the list; has anyone got any experience with User Mode Linux at > all? > > > > On 5/23/06, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > > Here is how I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work on the Dapper > live CD. > > > > > > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ > > > > > > I tried repeating the steps and it seems I left out the correct > sequence for > > > adding the wireless card through gnome. > > > > > > Jeff Rasmussen > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > > > > > I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to > > > worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of > > > this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the > > > forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... > > > > > > 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop > > > > > > You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t4118 > > > > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is > > > already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. > > > Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. > > > [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop > > > * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start > > > sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found > > > > > > I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is > > > still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to > > > change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? > > > > > > (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so > > > that's ok) > > > > > > 2) Setting up User Mode Linux > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t8313 > > > > > > 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu > PCs/Laptops > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t8991 > > > > > > Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, > > > and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths > > > without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one > > > of these three topics, I would be very thankful. 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060524/9872e274/attachment-0001.htm From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 24 22:16:02 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:16:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is the real challenge I think; on running ifconfig with no arguments, I only see eth0 (the rj-45 connection) and lo (loopback). eth1 should show up (it's what Gnome's networking system tool says) or wlan0 (what ndiswrapper says) but neither show up. ifconfig -a shows eth0, eth1 (that's the wireless then) lo and sit0 (?) But apparently eth1 is not available/active/whatever. I'm not sure if this is why the command is failing. I tried sudo wpa_supplicant -c/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dmadwifi -iwlan0 And got the same: Failed to read read or parse configuration '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. Thank you -jordan On 5/23/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > All was well up to the last stage: I entered > > sudo wpa_supplicant -c/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dmadwifi -ieth1 > Failed to read read or parse configuration > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. > > Is there a way to make wlan0 (what my ndiswrapper thinks is my > wireless card) the same as eth1 (what Ubuntu thinks is my wireless > card)? > > Thanks again > > -jordan > > On 5/23/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > Thanks a lot! I'll give that a try this afternoon. > > > > Also for the list; has anyone got any experience with User Mode Linux at all? > > > > On 5/23/06, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > > Here is how I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work on the Dapper live CD. > > > > > > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ > > > > > > I tried repeating the steps and it seems I left out the correct sequence for > > > adding the wireless card through gnome. > > > > > > Jeff Rasmussen > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > > > > > > I didn't want to bother the list any further, and if worst comes to > > > worst, I might bring in my machine at the installfest to hash some of > > > this out, but I haven't been getting much in the way of replies at the > > > forums, and in some cases my emails to people are bouncing, so.... > > > > > > 1) Setting up wireless card on my wife's laptop > > > > > > You can check this out for the full synopsis, but the final gist is: > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174118 > > > > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... Sorry, there is > > > already an instance of ifplugd for eth0 running. > > > Sorry, there is already an instance of ifplugd for wlan0 running. > > > [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd stop > > > * Stopping Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [ ok ] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/ifplugd start > > > * Starting Network Interface Plugging Daemon... [fail] > > > $ sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start > > > sudo: /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant: command not found > > > > > > I went into System: Administration: Networking and the 'wireless' is > > > still labelled 'eth1' instead of 'wlan0' and I don't know how to > > > change it, cause that's what ndiswrapper is using, correct? > > > > > > (for the record, the sound miraculous started working the next day, so > > > that's ok) > > > > > > 2) Setting up User Mode Linux > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178313 > > > > > > 3) Setting up Samba File/Printer sharing on Windows & Ubuntu PCs/Laptops > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178991 > > > > > > Hope that explains everything. It's frustrating not getting replies, > > > and most of the similar topics on the forums have died slow deaths > > > without clear answers. If you can help out, even a little, on any one > > > of these three topics, I would be very thankful. God bless > > > > > > -jordan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Rasmussen > > > GPG public key 0x9686C12F > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Thu May 25 01:25:48 2006 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:25:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card Message-ID: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> I am shopping around for SATA PCI cards. A lot of information out there is concerned with hardware RAID or software RAID ( fakeraid ). I am not concerned with RAID. What I want is a solid SATA card that works well and has drivers in the vanilla kernel. If it has hardware RAID that is a bonus but not a requirement. Samir M. Nassar http://steamedpenguin.com/ http://chronolith.org/ From andyzib at gmail.com Thu May 25 08:15:10 2006 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:15:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > And got the same: > Failed to read read or parse configuration > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. Not to point out the obvious, but have you checked /home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf for errors or checked permissions on the file? The error message states that file config file you provided could not be read (permission error, bad path, etc.) or could not be parsed (error in config file format, like a paramater that should be a comment.) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From florin at iucha.net Thu May 25 08:21:45 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:21:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card In-Reply-To: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> References: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:25:48AM -0500, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > I am shopping around for SATA PCI cards. A lot of information out there is > concerned with hardware RAID or software RAID ( fakeraid ). SATA 1 or SATA 2? For SATA 1, anything with a SIIG chipset is pretty much supported. For instance, this card: http://www.nanosys1.com/hd-cnt-kw-psa15.html If you squint your eyes you can see the "Silicon Image" logo on the chip. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(this section may or may not already exist) allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp auto eth0 auto eth1 Which I changed to this: # Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist) allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp # iface eth1 inet dhcp auto eth0 # auto eth1 However ifconfig still only shows lo and eth0 as active. Hope that gives enough data to make the problem more understandable. If it's still an outstanding issue I'll bring the laptop into the installfest in a couple weeks. -jordan On 5/25/06, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > And got the same: > > Failed to read read or parse configuration > > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. > > > Not to point out the obvious, but have you checked > /home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf for errors or checked > permissions on the file? The error message states that file config > file you provided could not be read (permission error, bad path, etc.) > or could not be parsed (error in config file format, like a paramater > that should be a comment.) > > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > 0 rows returned > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Thu May 25 11:58:47 2006 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:58:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card In-Reply-To: <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> References: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <200605251158.47937.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:21, Florin Iucha wrote: > SATA 1 or SATA 2? I was looking at SATA 1 but it seems the world is passing me by faster than Steve Jobs can obsolete an iPod. Looking for SATA hard drives it seems that I get more bang for my buck by getting SATA 2 drives. If I remember correctly SATA 2 drives work just fine on SATA 1 controllers. However, if I am getting SATA2 drives I might as well get SATA2 controllers. Does support for SATA2 lessen in 2.6 vanilla kernels? -- Samir M. Nassar http://steamedpenguin.com/ http://chronolith.org/ From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Thu May 25 12:49:39 2006 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:49:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card In-Reply-To: <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> References: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <4475EE33.2060603@mchsi.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Florin, I have this card, and I have had problems with it because it seems to want to boot and take priority away from the sata controller on the board (where i have my boot drive, and another drive) so I can't boot with it in. Is there a way to get around this other than putting the boot drive on this card? Nick Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:25:48AM -0500, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > >>I am shopping around for SATA PCI cards. A lot of information out there is >>concerned with hardware RAID or software RAID ( fakeraid ). > > > SATA 1 or SATA 2? > > For SATA 1, anything with a SIIG chipset is pretty much supported. For > instance, this card: > http://www.nanosys1.com/hd-cnt-kw-psa15.html > > If you squint your eyes you can see the "Silicon Image" logo on the > chip. > > florin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEde4zybtJ236hNocRAv22AKDC1uWin54F+trHue98x4YYx/Ne7ACgiqKL p2322h6jm1+lwFXREKXUjso= =K7O7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From florin at iucha.net Thu May 25 13:04:59 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card In-Reply-To: <4475EE33.2060603@mchsi.com> References: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> <4475EE33.2060603@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20060525180459.GK7905@iucha.net> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:49:39PM -0500, nick thompson wrote: > I have this card, and I have had problems with it because it seems to > want to boot and take priority away from the sata controller on the > board (where i have my boot drive, and another drive) so I can't boot > with it in. Is there a way to get around this other than putting the > boot drive on this card? Nick, You should be able to do two things: - at boot, watch for the card BIOS message, enter into the BIOS and disable booting from it (you can enter it with Ctrl-A, Ctlr-S, F2 - you might need to attach a drive to it to see the message) - in the computer's main BIOS, check for boot options - depending on the manufacturer they can be in different places and with different names: if you can send a URL to the board manual we should be able to point you to the right place florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since you need an add-on board, I presume you want to use it in an older machine in which case you will have other bottlenecks and SATA 1 vs. SATA 2 won't make any difference to you. Obviously get the SATA 2 disks so you can reuse them later. > Does support for SATA2 lessen in 2.6 vanilla kernels? Not necessarily as the hardware is quite similar from the driver side. It depends on the vendor and hardware revision. Intel seems to have the best support, but SIIG is the cheapest and has wide availability on add-on boards (and as a second controller on many motherboards). florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060525/8d32f254/attachment.pgp From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu May 25 15:46:20 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:46:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF44B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> There was, at one point, an issue with WD drives (SATA 2) working with some SATA 1 controllers. Took me 2 months and about 100k scalp follicles to get the system up. From: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-2921.html Not exactly Fedora related, but worth a menton here. Well, after trying to get my MSI K8T800 with the VT8237 chip to talk SATA to two new Western Digital WD800JD disks, I found there is a compatibility issue with the WD800JD drives. Seems they want to talk SATA2 and the VT8237 get's confused. It only does SATA150. I ended sending the WD800JD to WDC and they sent me 2 new WD1200 sata drives that did work. Now, if only I could get hardware RAID to work with FC4T1. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:10 PM To: Samir M. Nassar Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:58:47AM -0500, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > Looking for SATA hard drives it seems that I get more bang for my buck by > getting SATA 2 drives. If I remember correctly SATA 2 drives work just fine > on SATA 1 controllers. Correct. > However, if I am getting SATA2 drives I might as well > get SATA2 controllers. Since you need an add-on board, I presume you want to use it in an older machine in which case you will have other bottlenecks and SATA 1 vs. SATA 2 won't make any difference to you. Obviously get the SATA 2 disks so you can reuse them later. > Does support for SATA2 lessen in 2.6 vanilla kernels? Not necessarily as the hardware is quite similar from the driver side. It depends on the vendor and hardware revision. Intel seems to have the best support, but SIIG is the cheapest and has wide availability on add-on boards (and as a second controller on many motherboards). florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Thu May 25 16:03:34 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:03:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF44D@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> OK, got my woot.com 250Gb installfest drive. Who wants to help me fill it up. I've got a few flavors of FC5 laying around. It's IDE but I think I have a USB converter I can slide it into, Munir, can you help? -----Original Message----- From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin at iucha.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:30 AM To: Wayne Johnson Cc: Munir Nassar; tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Need a distro harddrive for the installfest On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:51:17AM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > OK, Woot.com is selling IDE 250Gb drives for $50. I just picked one up. I'll donate this to the cause. > > Anyone have a large repository of distros we can copy to this beast? Munir works (worked?) at Real-Time and he can copy the goods right off their mirrors. If that is no longer the case, and you can swing by their office, I'm sure Bob will help you with filling up the disk. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Thu May 25 20:13:45 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:13:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wireless still causing issues, but I solved the second problem; the whole of my issues with installing User-Mode-Linux was that I hadn't actually installed it! I'd installed the docs package and a utilities package, but not the program itself! *hides embarrassed in corner* Sorry! Thanks for all your input thus far everyone! -jordan On 5/25/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Hey, please do point out the 'obvious' because, it's obviously not > working and I obviously don't know what to do! *laughs* I tried it > again from the instructions on Jeff Rasmussen's site > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ and > the same issue occurred. > > I opened up /etc/network/interfaces and found this; > > # Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist) > allow-hotplug wlan0 > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > auto eth0 > > auto eth1 > > > Which I changed to this: > > # Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist) > allow-hotplug wlan0 > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > > # iface eth1 inet dhcp > > auto eth0 > > # auto eth1 > > However ifconfig still only shows lo and eth0 as active. > > Hope that gives enough data to make the problem more understandable. > If it's still an outstanding issue I'll bring the laptop into the > installfest in a couple weeks. > > -jordan > > On 5/25/06, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > > And got the same: > > > Failed to read read or parse configuration > > > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. > > > > > > Not to point out the obvious, but have you checked > > /home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf for errors or checked > > permissions on the file? The error message states that file config > > file you provided could not be read (permission error, bad path, etc.) > > or could not be parsed (error in config file format, like a paramater > > that should be a comment.) > > > > > > -- > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > 0 rows returned > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri May 26 12:01:11 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:01:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605261701.k4QH1B319923@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: P130 64MB - Great Firewall Perfect machine for a small firewall on a DSL or Cable connection to the net. P130, 540MB HD, 64MB Mem, CDROM, floppy, 2 SMC 10Mb NICs. Previously used as a firewall with SentryCD a few years. $10. You pick it up. North Metro. Seller Email address: jeff at jeffclark dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri May 26 12:04:28 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:04:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200605261704.k4QH4S121000@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: IBM 8512 Monitor 13inch IBM 8512 13inch monitor. It works. Perfect companion to the P130 firewall offered in my other ad. Free. You pick it up. North Metro. Seller Email address: jeff at jeffclark dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Fri May 26 12:37:16 2006 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:37:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SATA PCI card In-Reply-To: <20060525180459.GK7905@iucha.net> References: <200605250125.48515.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <20060525132145.GJ7905@iucha.net> <4475EE33.2060603@mchsi.com> <20060525180459.GK7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: If all else fails you can use Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.webframe.org/) as a boot strap to take away control of the boot priority from the BIOS. On 5/25/06, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:49:39PM -0500, nick thompson wrote: > > I have this card, and I have had problems with it because it seems to > > want to boot and take priority away from the sata controller on the > > board (where i have my boot drive, and another drive) so I can't boot > > with it in. Is there a way to get around this other than putting the > > boot drive on this card? > > Nick, > > You should be able to do two things: > > - at boot, watch for the card BIOS message, enter into the BIOS and > disable booting from it (you can enter it with Ctrl-A, Ctlr-S, F2 > - you might need to attach a drive to it to see the message) > > - in the computer's main BIOS, check for boot options - depending > on the manufacturer they can be in different places and with > different names: if you can send a URL to the board manual we > should be able to point you to the right place > > florin > > -- > There was a typo, but on the wrong page. > -- Vipin Kumar > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEdfHLND0rFCN2b1sRAkwZAJ9Q5ZbBYAcQNg6b9ScQNXYFMU4qMgCgpcLJ > FLqeShgVFzOGmruN4Dx8xbg= > =OMrk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Fri May 26 16:13:10 2006 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:13:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A variety of Ubuntu complications [wireless, user-mode linux, samba] In-Reply-To: References: <9d6c82530605231028k6a5e375ck92b73f6b52b03aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c82530605261413v26711f35vab694cef39e9c35e@mail.gmail.com> Jordan and I were able to solve this problem from this website: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx Automatically Installing The easiest way to install the Broadcom43xx drivers in Dapper is to execute a script that has already been written for this purpose. Before you execute the script, you'll need to install the bcm43xx-fwcutter package. (Note: You must be connected to the internet in order for apt-get and the script to work properly.) sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh Everything should be installed properly and work now. If it doesn't work, there are some hints at the bottom of this page to help you out. After the driver is installed correctly with the right firmware, then you can set up the card through Gnome Network Settings. Jeff Rasmussen On 5/25/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > Wireless still causing issues, but I solved the second problem; the > whole of my issues with installing User-Mode-Linux was that I hadn't > actually installed it! I'd installed the docs package and a utilities > package, but not the program itself! > > *hides embarrassed in corner* Sorry! > > Thanks for all your input thus far everyone! > > -jordan > > On 5/25/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > > Hey, please do point out the 'obvious' because, it's obviously not > > working and I obviously don't know what to do! *laughs* I tried it > > again from the instructions on Jeff Rasmussen's site > > http://jeffrasmussen.wordpress.com/2006/05/13/ubuntu-wpa-goodness/ and > > the same issue occurred. > > > > I opened up /etc/network/interfaces and found this; > > > > # Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist) > > allow-hotplug wlan0 > > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > > > > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > > > auto eth0 > > > > auto eth1 > > > > > > Which I changed to this: > > > > # Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist) > > allow-hotplug wlan0 > > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > > > > # iface eth1 inet dhcp > > > > auto eth0 > > > > # auto eth1 > > > > However ifconfig still only shows lo and eth0 as active. > > > > Hope that gives enough data to make the problem more understandable. > > If it's still an outstanding issue I'll bring the laptop into the > > installfest in a couple weeks. > > > > -jordan > > > > On 5/25/06, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > > > And got the same: > > > > Failed to read read or parse configuration > > > > '/home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf'. > > > > > > > > > Not to point out the obvious, but have you checked > > > /home/user/Desktop/wpa_supplicant.conf for errors or checked > > > permissions on the file? The error message states that file config > > > file you provided could not be read (permission error, bad path, etc.) > > > or could not be parsed (error in config file format, like a paramater > > > that should be a comment.) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > > 0 rows returned > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060526/339060bc/attachment.htm From baz at winternet.com Sun May 28 08:28:50 2006 From: baz at winternet.com (Bryan Zimmer) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:28:50 +0100 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Using cdrecord to create a bootable iso DVD Message-ID: <33658.204.246.70.126.1148844530.squirrel@xmail-test.winternet.com> Hello folks, I am just returning to Linux after an abscence. When I last was a Linux user, Fedora Core 2 had just come out. I used to use "mkisofs" and "cdrecord" to make backups and bootable installation disks for various Redhat releases and other projects. I am now trying to do the same thing with the Fedora Core 5 Installation DVD. I have the .iso file that Redhat distributes, FC-5-DVD-i386.iso. But I can't seem to create a bootable DVD with my DVD writer, The system I am using to try to create the DVD is a somewhat upgraded HP Pavilion with a "Lite On" DVD+R DVD/CD writer (and also a Samsung CD-RW), This system already is running Fedora Core 5. I downloaded the DVD .iso file to install on another computer. Really I used to do this regularly with CD's. Once I had an iso file ready, I used to write it out to CD with a command very much like the following: # cdrecord -dev=1,1,0 -data -vvv -speed=8 -isosize -dao {whatever).iso. Now, that command hasn't succeeded in creating me a FC 5 installation DVD. I have read through the copious man page for cdrecord. I have tried various optionzs including various SCSI drivers, but with no success. The program creates a DVD and reports no errors, but then the newly created DVD will not boot. I even tried xcdroast, but that didn't help either. I am guessing that I am just missing some simple option or combination of options. Can anyone help me wiyth this matter? Thanks. Bryan Zimmer (BAZ) baz at winternet dot com From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun May 28 14:40:58 2006 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:40:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Using cdrecord to create a bootable iso DVD In-Reply-To: <33658.204.246.70.126.1148844530.squirrel@xmail-test.winternet.com> References: <33658.204.246.70.126.1148844530.squirrel@xmail-test.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 May 2006, Bryan Zimmer wrote: > I am now trying to do the same thing with the Fedora Core 5 Installation DVD. > I have the .iso file that Redhat distributes, FC-5-DVD-i386.iso. But I can't > seem to create a bootable DVD with my DVD writer, Making an image bootable is somethign you do when you create the image. Once you actually have an ISO file, there's nothing you can do to it to change whether it's bootable or not. If you got the ISO image from RedHat, chances are it's suppsoed to be bootable. I'd check maybe to see if the computer is able to boot from the DVD drive at all. -Yaron -- From silwenae at gmail.com Sun May 28 17:22:57 2006 From: silwenae at gmail.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:22:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest & MythTV Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0605281522x5e3e06a4u200269517da80c4f@mail.gmail.com> A few folks had expressed interest in getting help with MythTV at the upcoming installfest (including me.) Is it ok to assume that help (i.e. Clay) might be available in getting it installed / configured? On a personal note, I'm having a heck of a time getting ivtv and MythTV 0.19installed on Ubuntu. I've just done another clean install Ubuntu 6.06 in preparation for the meeting next weekend, so if anyone has any tips or tricks or things to try or bring next weekend, I'd love to hear them. Thanks! --Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That way it can go trunk to trunk there, not wasting gas (god gas is just KILLING ME these days, oh how I long for my consulting business to get more jobs ( http://npt.ath.cx/ ) Anyway, write me let me know what you want to get rid of and avoid the fees to have someone come and pick it up. Hope to talk to you soon, Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEelfyybtJ236hNocRAiTQAJ9/tKYgh0JzhV7AjhoRFjI646WqDwCgkm+D lY5Z8jAxJimmqWT8oeIuC/A= =Xcv1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kcbnac at gmail.com Mon May 29 03:54:52 2006 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:54:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Installfest / June meeting In-Reply-To: References: <446C13A8.4080600@fandre.com> <1f729feb0605181321n6ff32934s9cdbbff6c7ae1424@mail.gmail.com> <32fd45370605230210h7e480f87i56a9d4d042875e97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32fd45370605290154k949b8c7p39c65e3315dc3ac6@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/06, Jima wrote: > > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Keith Bachman wrote: > > I'd love to make it, but I work on Saturdays. I can try to swap with > > someone else if you guys think me being there would be extremely > beneficial, > > otherwise I may have to hold off til a later date (we should alternate, > one > > on a Saturday one on a Sunday, perhaps, back and forth for > > meetings/installfests?) > > Hey, it could be worse: You could have to be in Iowa that day. :| > > > Side topic: when's/where our next beer meeting? > > Rumor had it at the last Beer Meeting that the next one might be at > Pizza > Luce downtown. > > > Keith Bachman > > Geek Squad / Black Ops Specialist > > You posted your job title to a mailing list? That's a lot of bodies to > hide. ;) > > Jima > Now that you've mentioned it, I have to find another spot...to hide yours. Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I last was a Linux user, > Fedora Core 2 had just come out. > > I used to use "mkisofs" and "cdrecord" to make backups and bootable > installation disks for various Redhat releases and other projects. > > I am now trying to do the same thing with the Fedora Core 5 Installation DVD. > I have the .iso file that Redhat distributes, FC-5-DVD-i386.iso. But I can't > seem to create a bootable DVD with my DVD writer, The system I am using to try > to create the DVD is a somewhat upgraded HP Pavilion with a "Lite On" DVD+R > DVD/CD writer (and also a Samsung CD-RW), This system already is running > Fedora Core 5. I downloaded the DVD .iso file to install on another computer. > > Really I used to do this regularly with CD's. Once I had an iso file ready, I > used to write it out to CD with a command very much like the following: > > # cdrecord -dev=1,1,0 -data -vvv -speed=8 -isosize -dao {whatever).iso. > > Now, that command hasn't succeeded in creating me a FC 5 installation DVD. I > have read through the copious man page for cdrecord. I have tried various > optionzs including various SCSI drivers, but with no success. The program > creates a DVD and reports no errors, but then the newly created DVD will not > boot. > > I even tried xcdroast, but that didn't help either. I am guessing that I am > just missing some simple option or combination of options. Can anyone help me > wiyth this matter? > > Thanks. > > Bryan Zimmer (BAZ) > baz at winternet dot com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From silwenae at gmail.com Mon May 29 09:28:04 2006 From: silwenae at gmail.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:28:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Release Party Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0605290728n25b2ab8aq703066e51f73d8a2@mail.gmail.com> I put up a note on Ubuntu's Dapper Release Party page on the Ubuntu Wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseParties) that mentions the Installfest, in case anyone using Ubuntu here in the Cities hasn't heard of TCLUG. I'll make sure to bring some copies of Ubuntu 6.06 for Saturday. --Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060529/7fb2f0c3/attachment.htm From danbsmith at comcast.net Mon May 29 20:38:12 2006 From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:38:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Lite RPM based Distro? Message-ID: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> Hey everyone, I've got a Hp Omnibook Xe3-GF and I am looking for a small light linux distro that is rpm based. I would prefer something with Kde, or something that's as easy to use. Hp Omnibook Specs - 1ghz Pentium 3 Processor (Moble) 384mb of Ram 20gb hdd dvd/cd-rom Internal 56k/Nic Thanks for any idea's in advance.... Dan From dniesen at gmail.com Mon May 29 20:48:28 2006 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:48:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Lite RPM based Distro? In-Reply-To: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> References: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70605291848j71b7fb9am611bd8071e3f2edb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/29/06, Dan Smith wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've got a Hp Omnibook Xe3-GF and I am looking for a small light linux > distro that is rpm based. I would prefer something with Kde, or > something that's as easy to use. > > Hp Omnibook Specs - > 1ghz Pentium 3 Processor (Moble) > 384mb of Ram > 20gb hdd > dvd/cd-rom > Internal 56k/Nic > > Thanks for any idea's in advance.... > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Many distros can be as light as you want them to be. I'll plug (K)Ubuntu myself as it works fantastically on my laptop. It is .deb-based not .rpm though. If lighweight is your aim, I would highly suggest XFCE4 over KDE. Very quick window manager that is perfect for older systems. -- Donovan Niesen From admin at lctn.org Mon May 29 20:55:02 2006 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:55:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Small Lite RPM based Distro? In-Reply-To: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> References: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <56826.204.212.34.10.1148954102.squirrel@lctn.org> > I've got a Hp Omnibook Xe3-GF and I am looking for a small light linux > distro that is rpm based. I would prefer something with Kde, or > something that's as easy to use. You should find what you need here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#RPM-based_free_distributions From brockn at gmail.com Mon May 29 22:24:16 2006 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:24:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Lite RPM based Distro? In-Reply-To: <56826.204.212.34.10.1148954102.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> <56826.204.212.34.10.1148954102.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <741dcbb80605292024p4c1b514akbdf1dc5cfc40d723@mail.gmail.com> You can make CentOS (RHEL) extremely lite in addition to it being very stable. Brock On 5/29/06, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I've got a Hp Omnibook Xe3-GF and I am looking for a small light linux > > distro that is rpm based. I would prefer something with Kde, or > > something that's as easy to use. > > You should find what you need here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#RPM-based_free_distributions > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Mon May 29 22:49:33 2006 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:49:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Small Lite RPM based Distro? In-Reply-To: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> References: <447BA204.5040404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200605292249.33526.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 29 May 2006 8:38 pm, Dan Smith wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've got a Hp Omnibook Xe3-GF and I am looking for a small light linux > distro that is rpm based. I would prefer something with Kde, or > something that's as easy to use. > > Hp Omnibook Specs - > 1ghz Pentium 3 Processor (Moble) > 384mb of Ram > 20gb hdd > dvd/cd-rom > Internal 56k/Nic > > Thanks for any idea's in advance.... > > Dan There is a side project off of OpenSUSE called Slick. You can find the details at: http://en.opensuse.org/SLICK From that page: SLICK stands for SUPER LIte Core + Kde. The aim is to create a lightweight, desktop-oriented, easy-to-use Linux distribution based on SUSE Linux. It started as an independent idea, but as SLICK and the SUPER project have many common areas, developers joined efforts to prevent duplication. -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From tmarble at info9.net Mon May 29 23:01:44 2006 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:01:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Release Party In-Reply-To: <4c4ad4df0605290728n25b2ab8aq703066e51f73d8a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c4ad4df0605290728n25b2ab8aq703066e51f73d8a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <447BC3A8.90406@info9.net> Paul Cutler wrote: > I put up a note on Ubuntu's Dapper Release Party page on the Ubuntu Wiki > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseParties) that mentions the > Installfest, in case anyone using Ubuntu here in the Cities hasn't heard > of TCLUG. > > I'll make sure to bring some copies of Ubuntu 6.06 for Saturday. As an FYI I want to let everyone know that I've been working with Debian and Ubuntu (as well as Blackdown and JPackage) in the past couple months to insure that Sun Java can be installed "normally" on these systems (and other distros too!) [1]. I've just completed detailed instructions on how to add Sun Java to Ubuntu Dapper RC [2]. Regrettably I won't be able to make the installfest on Saturday as I'm hosting my son's birthday party... I hope everyone has fun and please let me know if I can help with Java on Linux issues. Regards, --Tom [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TomMarble [2] https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html From tclug at beitsahour.net Mon May 29 23:12:55 2006 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:12:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Using cdrecord to create a bootable iso DVD References: <33658.204.246.70.126.1148844530.squirrel@xmail-test.winternet.com> Message-ID: Bryan Zimmer writes: > I am now trying to do the same thing with the Fedora Core 5 Installation DVD. > I have the .iso file that Redhat distributes, FC-5-DVD-i386.iso. But I can't > seem to create a bootable DVD with my DVD writer, The system I am using to try > to create the DVD is a somewhat upgraded HP Pavilion with a "Lite On" DVD+R > DVD/CD writer (and also a Samsung CD-RW), This system already is running > Fedora Core 5. I downloaded the DVD .iso file to install on another computer. for future refrence burning an iso is not the same as creating a bootable cd/dvd. in fact cdrecord does not create a bootable cds it just burns them, mkisofs creates bootable cds. > > Really I used to do this regularly with CD's. Once I had an iso file ready, I > used to write it out to CD with a command very much like the following: > > # cdrecord -dev=1,1,0 -data -vvv -speed=8 -isosize -dao {whatever).iso. > > Now, that command hasn't succeeded in creating me a FC 5 installation DVD. I > have read through the copious man page for cdrecord. I have tried various > optionzs including various SCSI drivers, but with no success. The program > creates a DVD and reports no errors, but then the newly created DVD will not > boot. > so cdrecord does not finish burning? in my experience this is quite likely caused by cdrecord, due to some licensing issues cdrecord does not have the ability to burn DVDs, you need to buy the pro version therof. cdrecord being open source of course there are various forks out there but none work well. ( in fact, cdrecord-Pro did not work so well for me either) i think dvd writing support in linux is rather poor to begin with, lack of tools does not help. Of course this is probably due to all the infighting in the dvd consortiums. One tool that i have used to write DVDs successfully with is growisofs (yes i know, ignore the name/history) read the man page on how to use it to burn DVDs. it is something like growisofs -X/dev/hdc:/path/to/iso -- Munir Nassar From baz at winternet.com Tue May 30 07:45:20 2006 From: baz at winternet.com (Bryan A. Zimmer) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:45:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Using cdrecord to create a bootable iso DVD In-Reply-To: References: <052920061120.13977.447AD8F70004624100003699220702095397050C019D99A106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1148993120.2536.94.camel@bills> Thank you very much for the answers, particularly yours, Gerry. It worked like a dream come true. The only thing I had to do differently from the example you cited from the example on the man page for growisofs was to add "-speed=1" to the command-line arguments. The system I am using created flawed DVD's at the default rate, hence # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdd=FC-5-DVD-i386.iso -speed=1 was the one that worked for me. Again thanks. Bryan On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 08:13 -0500, gsker at tcfreenet.org wrote: > Bryan, > I never had much luck with cdrecord and DVDs. Try growisofs and see if that > works any better. I have downloaded, burned and booted from the Fedora Core 5 > CDs. > > From the growisofs manpage. > > To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD: > > growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso > > HTH, > Gerry > (at least it's a linux answer. :-) ) > > > On Mon, 29 May 2006, j_wrocky at comcast.net wrote: > > > Bryan, > > > > I think with LiteOn use Nero then "File", locate the iso you want to place on the CD or DVD, then "Burn disk from image or iso". If the CD make "wizard" comes up Do Not Use that! It won't burn correctly. > > > > HTH, > > > > Jerry W > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Bryan Zimmer" > >> Hello folks, > >> > >> I am just returning to Linux after an abscence. When I last was a Linux user, > >> Fedora Core 2 had just come out. > >> > >> I used to use "mkisofs" and "cdrecord" to make backups and bootable > >> installation disks for various Redhat releases and other projects. > >> > >> I am now trying to do the same thing with the Fedora Core 5 Installation DVD. > >> I have the .iso file that Redhat distributes, FC-5-DVD-i386.iso. But I can't > >> seem to create a bootable DVD with my DVD writer, The system I am using to try > >> to create the DVD is a somewhat upgraded HP Pavilion with a "Lite On" DVD+R > >> DVD/CD writer (and also a Samsung CD-RW), This system already is running > >> Fedora Core 5. I downloaded the DVD .iso file to install on another computer. > >> > >> Really I used to do this regularly with CD's. Once I had an iso file ready, I > >> used to write it out to CD with a command very much like the following: > >> > >> # cdrecord -dev=1,1,0 -data -vvv -speed=8 -isosize -dao {whatever).iso. > >> > >> Now, that command hasn't succeeded in creating me a FC 5 installation DVD. I > >> have read through the copious man page for cdrecord. I have tried various > >> optionzs including various SCSI drivers, but with no success. The program > >> creates a DVD and reports no errors, but then the newly created DVD will not > >> boot. > >> > >> I even tried xcdroast, but that didn't help either. I am guessing that I am > >> just missing some simple option or combination of options. Can anyone help me > >> wiyth this matter? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Bryan Zimmer (BAZ) > >> baz at winternet dot com > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker at skerbitz.org > > From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue May 30 07:49:18 2006 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Using cdrecord to create a bootable iso DVD In-Reply-To: References: <33658.204.246.70.126.1148844530.squirrel@xmail-test.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Munir Nassar wrote: > i think dvd writing support in linux is rather poor to begin with, lack > of tools does not help. cdrecord not being able to burn dvd's doesn't really equate to 'lack of tools' to me.. :) the dvd+rw-tools package (which is what growisofs is part of) has worked great for me for the last 2-3 years.. if you want a gui frontend, try k3b. 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My information is very old and I would like to update it. Thanks, Eric From srcfoo at gmail.com Tue May 30 10:17:28 2006 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Label Printers In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0605300711i769bd0a9yb1a499e565f8c0b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <101e49ea0605300711i769bd0a9yb1a499e565f8c0b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30605300817qaba8f1ascfdd48771c9d303a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/30/06, Joey Rockhold wrote: > I'm looking to get a label printer to run under linux, the kind that uses > heat instead of ink or toner to write to the labels. Does anyone have a > favorite that they use? > > - Joey We use Zebra TLP series label printers and they seem to work well. From florin at iucha.net Tue May 30 10:53:38 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:53:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Bringing Distributions to the Installfest Message-ID: <20060530155338.GQ7905@iucha.net> I have Fedora Core 5 for AMD64 both CDs and DVDs. I plan to download SUSE 10.1 i386 CDs and Ubuntu Dapper i386 and AMD64. Please reply to this message so we get a tally of who is bringing what. Remember: redundancy is good. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A while back I emailed webmaster at mn-linux.org, but I did not receive a response. My information is very old and I would like to update it. Thanks, Eric From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Tue May 30 13:54:37 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:54:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Bringing Distributions to the Installfest Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF471@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> I spent the weekend downloading distros for the distro disk (250Gb WD HD w/ata-6, USB & Firewire i/f). So far I have: Centos4.3: CentOS-4.3-i386-bin1to4 CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD CentOS-4.3-x86_64-bin1to4 CentOS-4.3-x86_64-binDVD debian-31r2: debian-31r2-i386-binary-10.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-11.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-12.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-13.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-14.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-4.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-5.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-6.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-7.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-8.iso debian-31r2-i386-binary-9.iso debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso Fedora5: bordeaux-binary-i386 bordeaux-binary-ppc bordeaux-binary-x86_64 bordeaux-DVD-i386 bordeaux-DVD-ppc bordeaux-DVD-x86_64 bordeaux-source ubuntu-5.10: ubuntu-5.10-install-amd64.iso ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso ubuntu-5.10-live-amd64.iso ubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso These are just the ISOs. We can mount them with a iso9660 loopback if someone wants to install via FTP/NFS/SMB/etc. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:54 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Bringing Distributions to the Installfest I have Fedora Core 5 for AMD64 both CDs and DVDs. I plan to download SUSE 10.1 i386 CDs and Ubuntu Dapper i386 and AMD64. Please reply to this message so we get a tally of who is bringing what. Remember: redundancy is good. florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar From tanner at real-time.com Tue May 30 14:21:31 2006 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:21:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Release Party References: <4c4ad4df0605290728n25b2ab8aq703066e51f73d8a2@mail.gmail.com> <447BC3A8.90406@info9.net> Message-ID: Tom Marble wrote: > As an FYI I want to let everyone know that I've been working with Debian > and Ubuntu (as well as Blackdown and JPackage) in the past couple months > to insure that Sun Java can be installed "normally" on these systems > (and other distros too!) [1]. ?I've just completed detailed instructions > on how to add Sun Java to Ubuntu Dapper RC [2]. Hmmm, put non-free into your sources.list and % sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From sfertch at gmail.com Tue May 30 15:08:24 2006 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:08:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] rdist issue Message-ID: <67f3084a0605301308s15c26eb3k88ee1449eb6d7d8e@mail.gmail.com> I know rdist is insecure and should be dumped for rsync over ssh for a more secure transfer agent. However, given the current environment, I'm unable to do so in the amount of time I have to get this to work. rsync over ssh is coming, but not soon enough. I'm running into the following error when I'm attempting to run 'rdist -bc /file hostname' from a Solaris 8 system to an RHELv4 system: rdist: connection failed: version numbers don't match I've spent a significant amount of time researching this issue, but have as of yet to come up with a solution to get it to work. According to the man page, there could be some output from logging in that is causing the command to fail. I've moved any ~/.hidden files per some suggestions to elminate this issue as much as possible, however it didn't fix the issue. There were about 4 or more different possibilies, but none of them seemed to work. I have not attempted to update the version of rdist on the Solaris system because it works with all other systems except for the RHEL systems. Google, and RH's website haven't provided any good answers. Has anyone run into this previously, and what was your solution? Thanks. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060530/667d36c1/attachment.htm From silwenae at gmail.com Wed May 31 08:59:37 2006 From: silwenae at gmail.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:59:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Bringing Distributions to the Installfest In-Reply-To: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF471@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> References: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF471@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0605310659x5a00158bm3a0ccf1687b4c3de@mail.gmail.com> I will bring copies of Ubuntu 6.06 for x86, x64 and PPC. On 5/30/06, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > I spent the weekend downloading distros for the distro disk (250Gb WD HD > w/ata-6, USB & Firewire i/f). So far I have: > > Centos4.3: > CentOS-4.3-i386-bin1to4 > CentOS-4.3-i386-binDVD > CentOS-4.3-x86_64-bin1to4 > CentOS-4.3-x86_64-binDVD > debian-31r2: > debian-31r2-i386-binary-10.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-11.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-12.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-13.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-14.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-4.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-5.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-6.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-7.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-8.iso > debian-31r2-i386-binary-9.iso > debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso > Fedora5: > bordeaux-binary-i386 > bordeaux-binary-ppc > bordeaux-binary-x86_64 > bordeaux-DVD-i386 > bordeaux-DVD-ppc > bordeaux-DVD-x86_64 > bordeaux-source > ubuntu-5.10: > ubuntu-5.10-install-amd64.iso > ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso > ubuntu-5.10-live-amd64.iso > ubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso > > These are just the ISOs. We can mount them with a iso9660 loopback if > someone wants to install via FTP/NFS/SMB/etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:54 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Bringing Distributions to the Installfest > > > I have Fedora Core 5 for AMD64 both CDs and DVDs. > > I plan to download SUSE 10.1 i386 CDs and Ubuntu Dapper i386 and > AMD64. > > Please reply to this message so we get a tally of who is bringing > what. > > Remember: redundancy is good. > > florin > > -- > There was a typo, but on the wrong page. > -- Vipin Kumar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060531/b04c1297/attachment.htm From tmarble at info9.net Wed May 31 09:28:13 2006 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:28:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota Message-ID: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> All: I hope you will agree with me that the liberty to use the Internet is very much on topic. Take a minute to let your Minnesota elected officials know how you stand! Network Neutrality: Critical push http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003421.shtml Thanks, --Tom From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 10:02:49 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:02:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Tom Marble wrote: > I hope you will agree with me that the liberty to use the Internet is > very much on topic. Take a minute to let your Minnesota elected > officials know how you stand! > > Network Neutrality: Critical push > http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003421.shtml I think it is on topic but I have some questions about what sorts of laws we should have. Will "neutrality" legislation discourage companies from creating new networks for, say, high-speed video transmission? Is it wrong for a company to build a network and then control how it is used? I like the internet the way it is, but I would like to see further growth and expansion encouraged. I don't want to see the internet replaced with a collection of corporate nets, but is that really going to happen? Mike From wjohnson at mqsoftware.com Wed May 31 11:58:18 2006 From: wjohnson at mqsoftware.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest plans Message-ID: <63BEA5E623E09F4D92233FB12A9F79431FF47B@emailmn.mqsoftware.com> Location: Heritage Christian Academy (HCA) 15655 Bass Lake Road Maple Grove, MN 55311 West corner of Bass Lake Road & Vicksburg Lane N. (Yahoo and google maps incorrectly place HCA on the South corner, but it is actually on the West corner.) Note that Bass Lake Road to the East is under construction. There are several locations where the road turns sharply or narrows unexpectedly. Please follow the posted speed limit for your (and your computer's) own safety. Park in the West lot and use the West entrance. The West parking lot is behind the building as viewed from Vicksburg or Bass Lake Road. There is a traffic loop by the entrance that you can use for unloading. The rooms will be just 20' down the hall from the entrance. We'll try to have carts available. Phone number at the site is 763-463-2268. Don't call till the installfest as this is the phone in the lunchroom. Arrival times: 9:00 Doug Coats & Wayne Johnson 9:30 Other volunteers who want to set up or have installfest infrastructure equipment 9:55 Gurus, Wizards, Magi, Noviate, and others interested in helping installees (if you can't make it at 9:55, show up when you can). 10:00 The public Equipment: The following people have volunteered to bring equipment: Install distros portable 250Gb HD (USB, firewire ATA-6 if needed) - Wayne Johnson Install-server with 120 GB disk and a DVD-burner - Florin 24 port network switch - Florin 3 16 port 10/100 switches - Doug Coats (HCA) Video Projector - Doug Coats (HCA) Name tags & Registration supplies - Wayne Johnson Long power cords - Wayne Johnson (anyone else have some?) HCA is short on CAT5 cables, so bring your own and some to share, as well as power strips and extension cords. If you have other equipment you'd like to bring, feel free. We can never have too few toys. Redundancy is good. Roles: coordinator - Contact for all other participants Wayne Johnson - wdtj at yahoo.com host - Has the connection to the location Doug Coats - dcoats at heritagemail.org sponsor - Represents an organization that provides the location, equipment, network, materials, food, beverages, etc. to the installfest Heritage Christian Academy (HCA) (www.heritageweb.org). receptionist - greets people as they come in, gives them a name tag and has them sign a waiver Committee: Wayne Johnson Doug Coats Additional Volunteers Other stuff from the installfest FAQ... Setup - We'll have 8 10' tables (not terribly strong, but they should suffice). We'll arrange them in 2 U shaped clusters. Each cluster will have a network switch and a main power strip. We will also have a smaller table for registration and one for food. We also have the room across the hall for demo's etc. David Christian [dbc at rpath.com] will be demoing. Internet access - Connection (or 2) to HCA backbone with Cable Modem access. HCA will set up a subnet just for the installfest, with DHCP. DNS server is via ISP, DHCP will suggest DNS IP address. (HCA does not have a DNS cache... yet). Telephone connection - We can set up a phone line on request. Power - We have at least 2 20 amp circuits. That should be good for 15 PCs. Additional power can be run from other rooms as necessary. Lunch - We'll order pizza from Angino's at 11:30. People wanting pizza can join the pizza pool at registration (donation requested). Wayne Johnson Senior Software Engineer MQSoftware, Inc. 1660 S Highway 100 Minneapolis, MN 55416 (952) 345-8628 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Send them money. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From florin at iucha.net Wed May 31 12:04:26 2006 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:04:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> Message-ID: <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:02:49AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > I think it is on topic but I have some questions about what sorts of laws > we should have. Will "neutrality" legislation discourage companies from > creating new networks for, say, high-speed video transmission? Is it > wrong for a company to build a network and then control how it is used? As long as it is using public land (via eminent domain (obtained now or last century through the railroad acts)) or tax concessions, it is wrong. > I like the internet the way it is, but I would like to see further growth > and expansion encouraged. I don't want to see the internet replaced with > a collection of corporate nets, but is that really going to happen? You and I and the application provider pay our ISPs for access. Why should I pay (and be identified and tracked) at every hop en route? What benefit would that bring to everyone, except the toll operator? And even if the toll operator would actively "grow and expand" his road/network, what kind of improvements would offset the incredible complexities of billing and the privacy invasion? I really hate the toll-roads (and parking meters to some extent ;) ). florin -- There was a typo, but on the wrong page. -- Vipin Kumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 13:14:29 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:02:49AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I think it is on topic but I have some questions about what sorts of >> laws we should have. Will "neutrality" legislation discourage >> companies from creating new networks for, say, high-speed video >> transmission? Is it wrong for a company to build a network and then >> control how it is used? > > As long as it is using public land (via eminent domain (obtained now or > last century through the railroad acts)) or tax concessions, it is > wrong. Why? Is there some established moral/legal principle behind that claim? >> I like the internet the way it is, but I would like to see further >> growth and expansion encouraged. I don't want to see the internet >> replaced with a collection of corporate nets, but is that really going >> to happen? > > You and I and the application provider pay our ISPs for access. Why > should I pay (and be identified and tracked) at every hop en route? I don't know about the "identified and tracked" part of that, but the reason you should pay to access some networks is that the network owner wants you to pay. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not saying this is correct, I'm just saying that I don't understand why we should want to stop companies from building private networks. > What benefit would that bring to everyone, except the toll operator? I think the idea is that the private network will provide services that are not available, or don't work well, elsewhere. > And even if the toll operator would actively "grow and expand" his > road/network, what kind of improvements would offset the incredible > complexities of billing and the privacy invasion? The user would decide if he wants it. People who don't want to pay a toll will have to drive on other roads. I don't want this to turn into an unpleasant argument. I'm actually not taking sides, just looking for more information. My first reaction is to side with Microsoft and net neutrality, but then I think "Microsoft? - since when am I on their side?" And I want to know more. Mike From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 31 13:12:49 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:12:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines Message-ID: I've been following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402&highlight=vnc to the letter, and have gotten things to the point where both 'vncserver localhost:1' (on my pc) and 'vncserver myip:1' (from anywhere else) work. Meaning they authenticate and bring up an X session. What I see is a grayish background with the X server's 'x' cursor, but no login screen, nothing of use anywhere to be seen. I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do, as most complaints regarding vnc are getting it up and running or authenticating it, and no one is responding on irc, so I figured I would test my luck here. Does this sound familiar to any of you who have used vnc? What does it mean? How can I change it to get a login? -jordan From jimdscott at gmail.com Wed May 31 13:31:37 2006 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:31:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: Net neutrality is not simple. If you want nationwide on-demand video, for example, you need more backbone capacity. Providers won't build the extra capacity unless they are ensured payment for it. Content providers won't make the on-demand video available unless they are ensured of a high-quality delivery system. The path to Internet 2 requires a substantial investment in network capacity. If you believe the Internet is a public good (like a road), then the best solution is a publicly funded build out of a high capacity network. If you believe the Internet is a private good (like a shopping mall or video store), then the best solution is a privately funded build out where an open market determines the costs and speed of delivery. I see the Internet as a public good that makes a rare contribution to democracy itself. I think the best solution is publicly fund an internet backbone across the U.S. to be managed for the benefit of all citizens. On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Wed, 31 May 2006, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:02:49AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > > >> I think it is on topic but I have some questions about what sorts of > >> laws we should have. Will "neutrality" legislation discourage > >> companies from creating new networks for, say, high-speed video > >> transmission? Is it wrong for a company to build a network and then > >> control how it is used? > > > > As long as it is using public land (via eminent domain (obtained now or > > last century through the railroad acts)) or tax concessions, it is > > wrong. > > Why? Is there some established moral/legal principle behind that claim? > > > >> I like the internet the way it is, but I would like to see further > >> growth and expansion encouraged. I don't want to see the internet > >> replaced with a collection of corporate nets, but is that really going > >> to happen? > > > > You and I and the application provider pay our ISPs for access. Why > > should I pay (and be identified and tracked) at every hop en route? > > I don't know about the "identified and tracked" part of that, but the > reason you should pay to access some networks is that the network owner > wants you to pay. If you don't like it, don't use it. > > I'm not saying this is correct, I'm just saying that I don't understand > why we should want to stop companies from building private networks. > > > > What benefit would that bring to everyone, except the toll operator? > > I think the idea is that the private network will provide services that > are not available, or don't work well, elsewhere. > > > > And even if the toll operator would actively "grow and expand" his > > road/network, what kind of improvements would offset the incredible > > complexities of billing and the privacy invasion? > > The user would decide if he wants it. People who don't want to pay a toll > will have to drive on other roads. > > > I don't want this to turn into an unpleasant argument. I'm actually not > taking sides, just looking for more information. My first reaction is to > side with Microsoft and net neutrality, but then I think "Microsoft? - > since when am I on their side?" And I want to know more. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060531/886fb833/attachment.htm From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 13:41:23 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:41:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Meaning they authenticate and bring up an X session. What I see is a > grayish background with the X server's 'x' cursor, but no login screen, > nothing of use anywhere to be seen. > > I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do, as most complaints regarding vnc > are getting it up and running or authenticating it, and no one is > responding on irc, so I figured I would test my luck here. > > Does this sound familiar to any of you who have used vnc? What does it > mean? How can I change it to get a login? It is very familiar and certainly a RealVNC FAQ. If you want to run Gnome or KDE, you can do that, but you have to set up your ~/.vnc/xstartup properly. I've been running Gnome like this: #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults xsetroot -solid grey vncconfig -nowin & exec autocutsel & /usr/local/bin/rxvt -geometry 80x51+78+25 -ls -T "`whoami`@`hostname`" & exec gnome-session & From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Why do I just get a grey desktop in my Unix VNC Server? You should run the vncserver script to start a VNC server, rather than the Xvnc program directly. vncserver runs Xvnc with appropriate options and starts some X applications to be displayed in the VNC desktop. The applications it tries to start are specified in $HOME/.vnc/xstartup, which can be tailored to your requirements. The default setup is to run the 'twm' window manager and a single 'xterm' window. If these applications fail to run, then you will see a grey 'rootweave' desktop. The most likely reason applications fail to run is that they are not in your path. Any error messages from this startup should appear in $HOME/.vnc/host:display#.log. For further information see the vncserver manual page: http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/man/vncserver.html Mike From chewie at wookimus.net Wed May 31 13:50:09 2006 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:50:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170210.0639B1ED8@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20060531185009.66E2D1ED8@skuld.wookimus.net> Mike Miller wrote: > OK, but I spent quite a bit of my time and couldn't find their > position on net neutrality. Do they have a paper on it? http://www.eff.org/cgi/search-proxy.py?q=net+neutrality&sa=Search+EFF They've made public statements against it in the past: March 24, 2006 PC World "Should the Internet Play Favorites?" By Tom Spring In a move seen as yet another threat to Internet neutrality, America Online and Yahoo say they'll charge bulk e-mailers for guaranteed delivery of their messages to AOL and Yahoo inboxes... Many in the Internet community give the plan a resounding thumbs-down. Fifty nonprofits, including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Gun Owners of America, MoveOn.org Civil Action, and the Association of Cancer Online Resources, are pressuring AOL to quash what they call the "e-mail tax." http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124926,pg,2,00.asp -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 13:49:51 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Mike Miller wrote: > KDE, you can do that, but you have to set up your ~/.vnc/xstartup properly. > I've been running Gnome like this: > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults > xsetroot -solid grey > vncconfig -nowin & > exec autocutsel & > /usr/local/bin/rxvt -geometry 80x51+78+25 -ls -T "`whoami`@`hostname`" & > exec gnome-session & Tip: Always use solid color backgrounds within VNC because it refreshes instantly and that speeds up window movements. You have to configure that within Gnome (or whatever you are using). Mike From tmarble at info9.net Wed May 31 13:50:32 2006 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:50:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: <447DE578.2060109@info9.net> Mike Miller wrote: > I don't want this to turn into an unpleasant argument. I'm actually not > taking sides, just looking for more information. You have a fair question. Here's my response: 1. The "end-to-end" nature of the Internet is one of it's huge strengths: From Code v.2 http://codebook.jot.com/Book/Chapter4/Ch4Part2 This minimalism in design is intentional. It reflects both a political decision about disabling control and a technological decision about the optimal network design. The designers were not interested in advancing social control; they were concerned with network efficiency. Thus, this design pushes complexity out of the basic Internet protocols, leaving it to the applications, or ends, to incorporate any sophistication that a particular service may require See also: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/e2e/papers.html 2. The answer I like to use w.r.t. handling QoS is simply to add more bandwidth (presumably there's a *lot* of dark fiber out there -- even before fancy WDM). By now do we really have to worry that the Internet build out will stop because we don't encourage biz models around QoS *a la* "your next hop is brought to you by McDonald's"? 3. pointer to... Why You Should Care About Network Neutrality http://www.slate.com/id/2140850/ 4. Net neutrality is probably a pre-requisite to public Internet access (i.e. free and libre municipal WiFi, WiMAX, other). Google in San Francisco: 'Wireless overlord'? http://news.com.com/Google+in+San+Francisco+Wireless+overlord/2100-1039_3-5886968.html "The word 'free' in this context is problematic. Google expects more than incurring costs from this test bed, and it'll be keeping all kinds of data about what people do on the network. (Yes, there's that Google-versus-privacy question again; it just keeps coming up.)," That's all for now ;-) --Tom From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 13:44:51 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:44:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, jim scott wrote: > Net neutrality is not simple. If you want nationwide on-demand video, > for example, you need more backbone capacity. Providers won't build the > extra capacity unless they are ensured payment for it. Content providers > won't make the on-demand video available unless they are ensured of a > high-quality delivery system. > > The path to Internet 2 requires a substantial investment in network > capacity. If you believe the Internet is a public good (like a road), > then the best solution is a publicly funded build out of a high capacity > network. If you believe the Internet is a private good (like a shopping > mall or video store), then the best solution is a privately funded build > out where an open market determines the costs and speed of delivery. > > I see the Internet as a public good that makes a rare contribution to > democracy itself. I think the best solution is publicly fund an internet > backbone across the U.S. to be managed for the benefit of all citizens. Does this mean that advocacy for "net neutrality" implies advocacy for more federal funding for internet development? I would love to see the internet grow. Mike From jimdscott at gmail.com Wed May 31 13:53:26 2006 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:53:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> Message-ID: I think the Internet is going to grow no matter what. If you want to see network neutrality perserved while the Internet grows, one way to do that is by providing public funding. You could rely on private funding, but I expect that the growth of Internet capacity would be slower if you rely on private funding and require neutrality. If backbone providers can charge more for faster pipes, they have a greater incentive to build the faster pipes. On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Wed, 31 May 2006, jim scott wrote: > > > Net neutrality is not simple. If you want nationwide on-demand video, > > for example, you need more backbone capacity. Providers won't build the > > extra capacity unless they are ensured payment for it. Content providers > > won't make the on-demand video available unless they are ensured of a > > high-quality delivery system. > > > > The path to Internet 2 requires a substantial investment in network > > capacity. If you believe the Internet is a public good (like a road), > > then the best solution is a publicly funded build out of a high capacity > > network. If you believe the Internet is a private good (like a shopping > > mall or video store), then the best solution is a privately funded build > > out where an open market determines the costs and speed of delivery. > > > > I see the Internet as a public good that makes a rare contribution to > > democracy itself. I think the best solution is publicly fund an internet > > backbone across the U.S. to be managed for the benefit of all citizens. > > > Does this mean that advocacy for "net neutrality" implies advocacy for > more federal funding for internet development? I would love to see the > internet grow. > > Mike > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060531/25160f47/attachment.htm From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 31 14:25:52 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:25:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I changed the shell script in ~/.vnc/xstartup to what you had...my original was: #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & x-window-manager & But when I try 'vncviewer localhost:1' it hasn't changed anything; it's the rootweave X pattern still. How do I know if it'll actually read and run the shell script? -jordan On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006, Mike Miller wrote: > > > KDE, you can do that, but you have to set up your ~/.vnc/xstartup properly. > > I've been running Gnome like this: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults > > xsetroot -solid grey > > vncconfig -nowin & > > exec autocutsel & > > /usr/local/bin/rxvt -geometry 80x51+78+25 -ls -T "`whoami`@`hostname`" & > > exec gnome-session & > > > Tip: Always use solid color backgrounds within VNC because it refreshes > instantly and that speeds up window movements. You have to configure that > within Gnome (or whatever you are using). > > Mike > From auditodd at comcast.net Wed May 31 15:52:50 2006 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:52:50 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota Message-ID: <053120062052.2046.447E02220008F7A2000007FE22007636920B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Funny, I've read more than one article that the United States public has already funded a faster backbone to the Internet, but the Bells took the money and pocketed it. According to what I've read, we should already have 50Meg up/down Internet connections to those homes that want it for much less than we pay today. The Bells were given tax concessions with the understanding that it would go towards improving the nations infrastructure, but all we saw was a bunch of false promises and chest thumping and now they want us to give them even more money just to maintain the status quo? Time for a revolution. -- ---- ------ Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "jim scott" > I think the Internet is going to grow no matter what. If you want to see > network neutrality perserved while the Internet grows, one way to do that is > by providing public funding. You could rely on private funding, but I expect > that the growth of Internet capacity would be slower if you rely on private > funding and require neutrality. If backbone providers can charge more for > faster pipes, they have a greater incentive to build the faster pipes. > > On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2006, jim scott wrote: > > > > > Net neutrality is not simple. If you want nationwide on-demand video, > > > for example, you need more backbone capacity. Providers won't build the > > > extra capacity unless they are ensured payment for it. Content providers > > > won't make the on-demand video available unless they are ensured of a > > > high-quality delivery system. > > > > > > The path to Internet 2 requires a substantial investment in network > > > capacity. If you believe the Internet is a public good (like a road), > > > then the best solution is a publicly funded build out of a high capacity > > > network. If you believe the Internet is a private good (like a shopping > > > mall or video store), then the best solution is a privately funded build > > > out where an open market determines the costs and speed of delivery. > > > > > > I see the Internet as a public good that makes a rare contribution to > > > democracy itself. I think the best solution is publicly fund an internet > > > backbone across the U.S. to be managed for the benefit of all citizens. > > > > > > Does this mean that advocacy for "net neutrality" implies advocacy for > > more federal funding for internet development? I would love to see the > > internet grow. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -- > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "jim scott" Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:04:33 +0000 Size: 5356 Url: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20060531/fe446fa9/attachment-0001.eml From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 16:00:51 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:00:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Yeah, I changed the shell script in ~/.vnc/xstartup to what you had...my > original was: > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > xsetroot -solid grey > x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & > x-window-manager & > > But when I try 'vncviewer localhost:1' it hasn't changed anything; it's > the rootweave X pattern still. How do I know if it'll actually read and > run the shell script? In order to read the ~/.vnc/xstartup you have to kill the session and restart it: vncserver -kill :1 vncserver :1 That will cause the server to start with the new settings you created. The settings are used by the server. The viewer just looks at what the server is putting out. I just realized the other day that I've been reading the VNC help list for 8 years now! Here is the most important tip I've come up with in all that time: If you are using the VNC Free Edition, make sure you are either using version 4.1.2 or 4.0.x or earlier. The 4.1.0 - 4.1.1 versions have a *very* serious vulnerability that allows remote access to your session. This was just discovered on 5/11 or so. Exploits are readily available and people are scanning right now (they mostly scan port 5900 instead of 5901, and would miss you, but it only takes one script kiddie to ruin your day). This is a really bad problem, but it's the only really serious one I've seen in all these years. Another good tip is to run VNC within an SSH tunnel, which is a bit of a pain, but your security level will be much improved. Another way to deal with security is to compile VNC against libwrap.a and use /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow to restrict access. I actually do both but I don't bother with the SSH protection sometimes. If you don't use an SSH tunnel, it is *possible* for someone to view your session but not to control it. Password authentication is reasonably secure even without SSH: http://www.realvnc.com/faq.html#security VNC Free Edition and older VNC 3 based systems support a simple challenge-response protocol used to verify a password of up to eight characters, supplied by the connecting user. While this avoids exposing the password to attackers as would be the case with pure plaintext protocols such as telnet, the rest of the session is unencrypted and so anything typed into the viewer passes "in the clear" to the server. If you want more security and ease of management, you can try VNC Enterprise Edition or VNC Personal Edition, but you pay for those (not a lot though). Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ From jkarcz at gmail.com Wed May 31 16:05:06 2006 From: jkarcz at gmail.com (Jim Karcz) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:05:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <686463da0605311405m231aa04esa59cd65853e9ac06@mail.gmail.com> I have run vncserver on a RHEL3 box. I have seen that X pattern when my xstartup file was screwed up. Here is what I use to start gnome: #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults vncconfig -iconic & xsetroot -solid black exec /usr/bin/gnome-session & #exec /usr/bin/startkde & Does the localhost:1.log file have anything interesting in it? Does 'which x-window-manager' provide any info? On 5/31/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > Yeah, I changed the shell script in ~/.vnc/xstartup to what you > had...my original was: > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xresources > xsetroot -solid grey > x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & > x-window-manager & > > But when I try 'vncviewer localhost:1' it hasn't changed anything; > it's the rootweave X pattern still. How do I know if it'll actually > read and run the shell script? > > -jordan > > On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Wed, 31 May 2006, Mike Miller wrote: > > > > > KDE, you can do that, but you have to set up your ~/.vnc/xstartup properly. > > > I've been running Gnome like this: > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults > > > xsetroot -solid grey > > > vncconfig -nowin & > > > exec autocutsel & > > > /usr/local/bin/rxvt -geometry 80x51+78+25 -ls -T "`whoami`@`hostname`" & > > > exec gnome-session & > > > > > > Tip: Always use solid color backgrounds within VNC because it refreshes > > instantly and that speeds up window movements. You have to configure that > > within Gnome (or whatever you are using). > > > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 16:08:50 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:08:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <053120062052.2046.447E02220008F7A2000007FE22007636920B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <053120062052.2046.447E02220008F7A2000007FE22007636920B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006 auditodd at comcast.net wrote: > Funny, I've read more than one article that the United States public has > already funded a faster backbone to the Internet, but the Bells took the > money and pocketed it. > > According to what I've read, we should already have 50Meg up/down > Internet connections to those homes that want it for much less than we > pay today. > > The Bells were given tax concessions with the understanding that it > would go towards improving the nations infrastructure, but all we saw > was a bunch of false promises and chest thumping and now they want us to > give them even more money just to maintain the status quo? Time for a > revolution. If that is what happened, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of legislators. Corporations are very predictable and easy to control, but they don't work by "honesty" or "trust" and they don't understand those concepts any better than a tiger or snake understands them. Corporations work by a profit motive and they will obey laws if it pays them to obey them. Legislators know how this works. If they made a law that gave money to corporations without getting what they requested in return, those legislators were either stunningly incompetent or they did it intentionally. Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 16:03:53 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:03:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <20060531185009.66E2D1ED8@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170210.0639B1ED8@skuld.wookimus.net> <20060531185009.66E2D1ED8@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Mike Miller wrote: >> OK, but I spent quite a bit of my time and couldn't find their >> position on net neutrality. Do they have a paper on it? > > http://www.eff.org/cgi/search-proxy.py?q=net+neutrality&sa=Search+EFF > > They've made public statements against it in the past: > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124926,pg,2,00.asp > > March 24, 2006 > PC World > "Should the Internet Play Favorites?" > By Tom Spring I did see that they had linked to some articles on the topic, but I did not see that they had a position on it. The article does not indicate anything about EFF or say that Tom Spring has anything to do with EFF. I still can't find anything about EFF's position on this issue, but if someone else can find it, I'll read it. Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 16:20:03 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: <686463da0605311405m231aa04esa59cd65853e9ac06@mail.gmail.com> References: <686463da0605311405m231aa04esa59cd65853e9ac06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Jim Karcz wrote: > I have run vncserver on a RHEL3 box. I have seen that X pattern when my > xstartup file was screwed up. > > Here is what I use to start gnome: > #!/bin/sh > xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults > vncconfig -iconic & > xsetroot -solid black > exec /usr/bin/gnome-session & > #exec /usr/bin/startkde & One important difference is that I am using autocutsel in my ~/.vnc/xstartup: exec autocutsel & But that won't work unless autocutsel is installed! If you don't have it installed already, check here: http://www.lepton.fr/tools/autocutsel/ It compiles really easily with gcc. Mike From sac at cheesecake.org Wed May 31 16:27:34 2006 From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:27:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: References: <053120062052.2046.447E02220008F7A2000007FE22007636920B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060531212734.GA16566@cheesecake.org> On Wed, 31 May 2006 at 16.08.50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > Corporations are very predictable and easy to control, but > they don't work by "honesty" or "trust" and they don't understand those > concepts any better than a tiger or snake understands them. Corporations > work by a profit motive and they will obey laws if it pays them to obey > them. Legislators know how this works. If they made a law that gave > money to corporations without getting what they requested in return, those > legislators were either stunningly incompetent or they did it > intentionally. Why is the morality of corporations on-topic for a Linux mailing list? -- Sidney CAMMERESI http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed May 31 16:32:15 2006 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <447DE578.2060109@info9.net> References: <447DA7FD.5090402@info9.net> <20060531170426.GS7905@iucha.net> <447DE578.2060109@info9.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Tom Marble wrote: > 3. pointer to... > Why You Should Care About Network Neutrality > http://www.slate.com/id/2140850/ From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: If Verizon wants to build a private network to sell TV, that would justify broad powers to control the network, a precondition to providing the service at all. No neutrality rule should be a bar to building better networks that do more. But what must be banned are blocking, gratuitous discrimination, and choosing favorites. So I guess the important thing is *exactly* what we mean by neutrality and *exactly* what the law should require. It might take a while to decide on the details and until then I will remain neutral, and maybe that is what EFF is doing too. Thanks. Mike From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Wed May 31 16:45:45 2006 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Questions regarding VNC behaviour between Linux machines In-Reply-To: References: <686463da0605311405m231aa04esa59cd65853e9ac06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Got it! You were dead right; the vncserver had not updated it's settings! I restarted it and voila, all is well. Now, yes, I'll start dealing with properly setting up firewalls/ssh etc to secure it better, but I needed it up ASAP on the local network first. Thank you again! -jordan On 5/31/06, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006, Jim Karcz wrote: > > > I have run vncserver on a RHEL3 box. I have seen that X pattern when my > > xstartup file was screwed up. > > > > Here is what I use to start gnome: > > #!/bin/sh > > xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults > > vncconfig -iconic & > > xsetroot -solid black > > exec /usr/bin/gnome-session & > > #exec /usr/bin/startkde & > > > One important difference is that I am using autocutsel in my > ~/.vnc/xstartup: > > exec autocutsel & > > But that won't work unless autocutsel is installed! If you don't have it > installed already, check here: > > http://www.lepton.fr/tools/autocutsel/ > > It compiles really easily with gcc. > > Mike > From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Wed May 31 17:14:34 2006 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:14:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Neutrality for Minnesota In-Reply-To: <20060531212734.GA16566@cheesecake.org> References: <053120062052.2046.447E02220008F7A2000007FE22007636920B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <20060531212734.GA16566@cheesecake.org> Message-ID: <914f813c0605311514i25314d97wdfea6c65d8f76d8d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/06, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 at 16.08.50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > Corporations are very predictable and easy to control, but > > they don't work by "honesty" or "trust" and they don't understand those > > concepts any better than a tiger or snake understands them. Corporations > > work by a profit motive and they will obey laws if it pays them to obey > > them. Legislators know how this works. If they made a law that gave > > money to corporations without getting what they requested in return, those > > legislators were either stunningly incompetent or they did it > > intentionally. > > Why is the morality of corporations on-topic for a Linux mailing list? Well, to respond to your literal question with one situation where that is on-topic, how about the morality of corporations who receive income based on their use of a Linux distro or the Linux mark, itself? I am assuming that, if not TCLUG, some other LUGs are incororated, so there's another valid instance. I won't pedantically explain how this topic arose, but as you're indicating, it is not on-topic regarding Linux. The entire thread is not on-topic regarding Linux. However, it is not off-topic, either. Considering the GPL model on which Linux is based, and the relation to public/community-ownership afforded by that license, this discussion asks some interesting questions that cannot be otherwise asked of a product that is licensed under the GPL. Additionally, considering this topic is being discussed on an Internet mailing list, and is populated by generally technically-savvy individuals, we should be able to discuss this topic in a more educated fashion than politicians or your aunt Edna. On a totally different line, last month's Linux Journal had a great article by Doc Searls on Linux and 'net neutrality, and another by "Maddog" Hall on the Linux mark. Both worth reading if you come upon them. One interesting point made by Searls, in a quote from Craig Burton, in a `99 LJ article, paraphrased: the `net is a sphere, where any two points are directly visible, line-of-sight. No point interferes with the access to another point. Obviously, the technical reality is different, but Internet-access-as-utility makes the technical reality a technicality. The Internet-access-as-content-provider, a-la AOL/CompuServ/Prodigy of old, re-creates multiple small spheres, and adds gatekeepers between spheres. My problem with the FUD being propogated by all parties involved in this debate is this: it is not clear whether the network providers are talking about adding *more* service as additional layers, or reducing current service. The cynical among us will state (with historical accuracy) that this is irrelevant, as the result is the same. But if all the Telcos want is QoS implemented, with a fee to get a chunk of that, by all means. If they want to implement QoS *and* block all VoIP in non-QoS space, they can take a hike. Again, cynics may join me in guessing the end result will be the latter without legislation. This is all still policy-speak and politic-speak, which is vague, non-specific, and never reflects reality, and I've rambled enough now. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed May 31 22:05:22 2006 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:05:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200606010305.k5135Me01336@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 19 inch Flat Screen Monitor Dell 19 inch CRT Monitor. Excellent color and definition. Seller Email address: rholmes6 at mn dot rr dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu Wed May 31 23:56:48 2006 From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (David Alanis) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:56:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking suggestions... Message-ID: <2006060104564869d220cb8f@mail.smumn.edu> I just recently began work at a large corporation running Windows from NT to Server '03 and XP Pro for Desktops. As the assistant for one of the Network Engineers I was assigned a project utilizing Norton Ghost Corp. Edition. This large organization has created a soup of hardware components, intergrating Dell, Compaq, and a few HP here and there. My project is to setup a ghosting server/PC manager to quickly image and install PC's. However, there is no two computers alike at one given point to image. To make my story short, I have slightly made a few suggestions/comments to my boss that it would be a wonderful idea to implement Open Source to improve the work station performance and problems for those people who do not require critical business applications. Today, my boss completly shut my idea down stating "I have used Microsoft thoughout my career and this organization depends on the generosity of Microsoft". :[ "Further more, there is no need to learn other Linux or MAC." Wow! My boss blew me away, seriously, I can no longer take this job serious anymore. The Senior Network Engineers seem to busy for me to even approach regarding this matter. At this point, I am looking for alternatives and I am not stoping to ask for permission since really this is my project. [ok here is my question :P what recommendations can I get regarding the cloning of Window computers without the hassle of using a third party crap? Sincerely, David "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!" From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues They don't mention the problems you found, but they do mention this: Crash if system partitions are not reformatted: [WWW] #47046 If you use manual partitioning and do not check the "Reformat?" box for filesystems you mount on /, /boot, /usr, /var, or subdirectories of those, then the installer may crash while copying files to the target system. The workaround is to make sure to reformat these filesystems (note that /home, /media/*, and so on do not need to be formatted). If you are upgrading an existing installation and want to save existing data, then you should follow the instructions in DapperUpgrades rather than using the Desktop CD's installer. Yes -- that did happen to me. I will try again with the boxes checked to see if that works. Mike From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: RDP client, and a web browser. They don't appear to provide any remote access functions, and tey need some sort of terminal server to be useful. -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. ------=_Part_29659_8914678.1154361866940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 7/31/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dave Sherman wrote:

>> Another possibility is to do something with these devices:
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>> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/jackpc.asp
>
>
> OK those are interesting... for other applications. Heck, I could use
> those at my company where we currently have thin clients. Unfortunately
> they still require keyboard/monitor/mouse, which is what we are trying
> to avoid at my house.


But what if you use VNC?  Maybe they can boot without mouse and monitor
attached and be controlled remotely via VNC.

From what I saw, they are basic thin clients with a built-in Citrix client, RDP client, and a web browser. They don't appear to provide any remote access functions, and tey need some sort of terminal server to be useful.

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Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. ------=_Part_29659_8914678.1154361866940-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: without updates, is a bit unstable, but as long as you get all the current updates, I find it has been running really smooth for me now. Like I said, I am not trying to promote one distro over another, just throught I would throw my 2 cents in. - Joey On 8/14/06, Jordan Peacock wrote: > My initiation into linux was a little rocky: dialup over in the Middle East, > and I decided to brave the waters and try to install it. The 600+MB .iso > files were a bit daunting over dialup, and so I opted for the smallest .iso: > Gentoo's stage1 cd. > > For the uninformed, this is a minimalist cd that drops you into a command > line and assumes that you can set up networking, etc from there. > > A few months after that I tried out Mandrake Linux, and the difference was > drastic; it was easier to setup than when I had installed Windows XP! > > Just a few months ago, my wife used my desktop (currently running Ubuntu > Linux), and decided to switch her laptop over. I personally would highly > recommend grabbing a Ubuntu CD and installing it for the beginner for 3 > reasons: > > 1) It works as a Live CD; you don't need to destroy everything on your hard > drive (at first). If you tell your computer to boot from the CD you > downloaded instead of the hard drive, it'll run Ubuntu without touching any > of your data on the hard drive. When you're done, simply shutdown, eject the > CD, and resume operations on (presumably) Windows XP or similar. This > applies to all Live CDs. > > 2) It's well thought out & easy to navigate: try out the live CD and just > move around a bit; check out home folders, applications, etc. Everything > from the menus to the application divisions is simple and intuitive. My > wife, with little/no Linux experience, jumped right in. This applies to all > distributions of Linux that utilize GNOME. > > For a similar ease but different style, some distributions use KDE (which is > what I started out with). Mandriva is a good quality distribution that uses > KDE by default. Or, Kubuntu is a KDE-default version of Ubuntu. > > 3) It's package-management system is second-to-none. This holds true for all > Debian-based distributions. The .deb is a standardized package format (you > will also see .rpm or .tar.gz being tossed about). .deb is wonderful in the > sense that if there are conflicts between programs, or dependencies, it will > sort it out, or at least tell you of the issue. .rpm does > this to some degree, > but personally I have had some negative experiences with > it. > Other people may tell you otherwise. It really, in the end, is up to you. > > 4) Community support. You'll notice that most of the above are available in > other versions of Linux. Red Hat also uses GNOME, Knoppix is a Live CD, > Debian uses .deb files, but despite the calibre of documentation and > community with some others, I have only seen Ubuntu tied with one other > distribution: Gentoo. I would recommend Gentoo once you've been around the > block a couple times, but it's definately a difficult pill to swallow > initially. > > Between forums, wikis, irc, mailing lists, etc, virtually every question I > have had or trouble spot I have hit has been dealt with, answered, or at > least guided me to the point where I can fix things myself. This is often > overlooked, but it is as valuable a part of the operating system as any > piece of software. > > Books are helpful, as are tutors, but as I'm finding right now (learning the > IBM AS/400 machines/OS atm) there is no comparison to hands-on learning. All > of us on the list are available for answering questions, and don't feel > pressured to take my advice (regarding Ubuntu) if another distribution has > triggered your curiosity. > > All the best, fellow wanderer > > -jordan > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Tipsy-in_Chicago Tipsy < tipsy_in_chicago at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am an absolute newbie to the world of Linux. I am interested in developing > linux administrative skills. > > Is self learning the best route? If so, any books that will be helpful? > > I am also open to taking classes. > > Kindly, get back to me with the best approach. > > > Thanks > > KT > > > > > ________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri May 26 14:39:30 2006 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:30 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: the clients. If you're running all Windows 2000+ clients w/ Internet Explorer on an Active Directory domain you can configure the proxy via Group Policy. Or there are web proxy autodetection and configuration methods, but those tend to be hit and miss. Lastly you can configure Squid as a Transparent Proxy. Transparent Proxys have various ups and downs. On the plus side, you don't have to configure anything on the client. On the bad side, it's a good way to freak out HTTP 1.0 clients. Most modern devices will do HTTP 1.1, but you may run into an embedded device that will only do 1.0. Obviously you have to know how to configure your firewall as well as the proxy software. There is a HOWTO on tldp.org for configuring a transparent proxy using iptables and squid. It works perfectly. I set this up on my OpenWRT router and OS X machine running Squid this weekend. So far I haven't noticed any problems and because I configured a large cache in Squid I've noticed an improvment in web browsing speed for my regular web hangouts. (My DSL is slow, but it's cheap!) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned