From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 00:08:37 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:08:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/30/06, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 at 01:08PM -0500, Rob Terhaar wrote:
> > random lockups generally signify some sort of hardware problem. more
> > specifically i'd say, check the temperature on your hardware. Is the
> > fan on the video card running? is the processor fan plugged up with
> > pubes?
>
> It's onboard video. The motherboard temp right now is 24C (75F), and
> the processor is at 110F, so heat doesn't seem like a problem.
>
> > Also, are you using closed-source video card drivers? Try to switch to
> > the open-source version of the drivers (which tend to be slower, but
> > more stable)
>
> I don't have the "restricted" modules installed, so I'm definitely using
> open source drivers.

I guess I'd try running it from a text console for a while, or perhaps
using the lowly vesa display driver.  If it still locks up, you
probably have bigger problems than buggy video card drivers.

You could also try running from a live cd or two to see if you get
similar results on different kernel versions / configurations.  That
way, you'd at least keep from hosing your filesystem when/if it
crashes.   Most live CDs have a "failsafe" option, as well.  If that
works without crashing, you can try enabling things until something
breaks.  That'd be a bit of a time-consuming PITA, but it's all I can
think of at the moment.

sm


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 06:34:21 2006
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 06:34:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>

I'd recommend checking your hard drive with Drive Fitness Test.
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/downloads/dft32_v408_b00.iso Burn it
to cd and let an Advanced test run on your drive.

I have also seen memory pass tests, but still be bad. It's very rare, but it
does happen. This may be something to keep in mind, but with it taking so
long to fail I'd go more towards hard drive or power supply.

Jason Reynolds
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From tmarble at info9.net  Sun Oct  1 08:50:06 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 08:50:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <451FC78E.3040407@info9.net>

Dan Drake wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu and for some time now, I've had a big problem with it
> locking up. The machine simply won't run for more than 8-10 hours
> without locking up.[...]
> Here's some specs:
> 
>   MSI KM3M-V motherboard
>   Sempron 1.75GHz cpu
>   2 512MB sticks of Crucial RAM

I agree with the others that it sounds like a hardware problem.

Realize that Edgy is not quite released [1] and might have certain
stability issues (as last minute bugs are worked out).

If you do not have the kernel specifically built for your
chip you may want to install the meta package for the kernel [2]
or kernel + restricted drivers [3] for the Sempron.

HTH,

--Tom

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[2] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-image-k7
[3] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-k7


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Sun Oct  1 16:05:33 2006
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:05:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <45202D9D.1030607@plauditdesign.com>

After building and maintaining PC's for as long as I have, there is 
still one VERY common problem that I continue to overlook. The power 
supply.

Not only do most people forget to consider that when adding new drives, 
ram or updating their processor, but they can also slowly go bad and 
provide flaky power to your machine. This often leads to unpredictable 
and unexplainable errors, crashes and lockups.

Post what type and wattage of power supply you have, and how many drives 
(hard drives, cd/dvd), memory, etc in your machine. Do you have lots of 
USB peripherals, etc? Anything that uses power (at least a significant 
amount...don't tell me you have a keyboard :).

Then either take a spare one that you or a buddy owns that you KNOW will 
be powerful enough and is working properly. You aren't really a nerd 
unless you have at least one spare. Maybe it's in another machine. Turn 
it off and tear out it's power supply. Run your machine for a while (the 
longer the better) with the "new" power supply in there and see if that 
helps.

If so, go buy yourself a power supply and rejoice at your newly 
functional machine. If not...well...we've all seen "Office Space".

Dan Drake wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu and for some time now, I've had a big problem with it
> locking up. The machine simply won't run for more than 8-10 hours
> without locking up. It just freezes, completely, and there's nothing in
> the logs to suggest what went wrong.
>
> Sometimes it locks up after a little while, sometimes it goes all day.
> This has been happening since summer and all this month, so heat is not
> a problem.
>
> It seemed like a memory problem, but I ran memtest86 overnight (about 40
> passes total) and it showed no errors. So it seems like a kernel bug, or
> a problem with the motherboard. Any suggestions on how to track down the
> problem?
>
> I upgraded to Edgy Eft, since that has a new kernel, but an hour
> after getting that going, it locked up just like before.
>
> This is very irritating. I use a Windows machine sometimes at work and
> it's very depressing to see it run continuously for a week or more with
> no problems while my Linux box crashes about once a day!
>
> Here's some specs:
>
>   MSI KM3M-V motherboard
>   Sempron 1.75GHz cpu
>   2 512MB sticks of Crucial RAM
>
> Suggestions for how to track down the problem? Thanks.
>
> Dan
>
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From florin at iucha.net  Sun Oct  1 19:35:31 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:35:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <20061002003530.GF12075@iucha.net>

On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 12:58:13PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> Here's some specs:
> 
>   MSI KM3M-V motherboard
>   Sempron 1.75GHz cpu
>   2 512MB sticks of Crucial RAM

One more thing: check the big capacitors near the CPU for bulging and
leakage.

florin

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Oct  1 23:20:03 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:20:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610020420.k924K3I20021@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Hp Mini Tower

Hey,

I have a Hp Pc the Specs are -

330mhz Amd K2 Processor
256mb of Pc100 Ram
13gb Seagate Ide Hdd
Old ISA Sound Card.
Pci S3 Video Card(Memory amount unknown)
Cd-rom drive

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I am asking $20.00 for this computer. 

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From dan at dandrake.org  Mon Oct  2 14:32:00 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:32:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>

Thanks for the replies, everyone. At the moment I still suspect the
memory, despite memtest86+ saying it's okay. I pulled one stick of RAM
and am running the machine under high load and it seems okay right now.
If it stays up until, say, tomorrow morning, I'll swap the RAM and see
if it starts locking up again.

I'll keep the list updated.

Dan

-- 
Ceci n'est pas une .signature.
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Mon Oct  2 14:41:37 2006
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:41:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
	<dan@dandrake.org>	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>	<6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <45216B71.2030402@druswanderings.net>

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Dan Drake wrote:
> Thanks for the replies, everyone. At the moment I still suspect the
> memory, despite memtest86+ saying it's okay. I pulled one stick of RAM
> and am running the machine under high load and it seems okay right now.
> If it stays up until, say, tomorrow morning, I'll swap the RAM and see
> if it starts locking up again.

I've also seen some motherboards wig out when having more than one stick
plugged in.  So it would work fine with one or the other, but not both.

- --
Andy Moore
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Oct  3 20:53:11 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:53:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610040153.k941rBS01786@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Antec Computer Case

Hey All,

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I am asking for $25.00 for this or Best offer.



Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

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From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 10:12:32 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:12:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stop New Mail Notifications from printing to the
	console.
Message-ID: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>

I'm testing a particular issue pertaining to SMTP for a client (the
issue is irrelevant) and I have been sending huge amounts of mail
between two SMTP hosts. The irritating thing that I am running into is
that every time the servers receive a message to root I get a new mail
notification on every root shell I have open to the system:

New mail for root at slackware102 has arrived:
----

This gets irritating in a big hurry when I fire off a script that
generates 40000 messages and I'm trying to look at other things as
root. I know there are ways to work around this (sending mail to
another user, sudo, etc.), but I would prefer to just suppress the
messages if possible. I tried googling this and didn't find anything
useful, I'm not even sure what service is responsible for printing the
messages.

Cheers,


From josh at tcbug.org  Wed Oct  4 10:29:35 2006
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:29:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stop New Mail Notifications from printing to the
	console.
In-Reply-To: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610041029.36105.josh@tcbug.org>

On Wednesday 04 October 2006 10:12, Thomas Johnson wrote:
> I'm testing a particular issue pertaining to SMTP for a client (the
> issue is irrelevant) and I have been sending huge amounts of mail
> between two SMTP hosts. The irritating thing that I am running into
> is that every time the servers receive a message to root I get a
> new mail notification on every root shell I have open to the
> system:
>
> New mail for root at slackware102 has arrived:
> ----
>
> This gets irritating in a big hurry when I fire off a script that
> generates 40000 messages and I'm trying to look at other things as
> root. I know there are ways to work around this (sending mail to
> another user, sudo, etc.), but I would prefer to just suppress the
> messages if possible. I tried googling this and didn't find
> anything useful, I'm not even sure what service is responsible for
> printing the messages.
>
> Cheers,

It's your shell that's generating the messages.  Depending on the 
shell you may be able to disable it or just set the MAIL or MAILPATH 
environment variables to something besides /var/mail/root or wherever 
the mail is ending up on your system.  See the manpages for whichever 
shell you're using for exact details.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 10:35:03 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:35:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stop New Mail Notifications from printing to the
	console.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041002150.23835@titan>
References: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041002150.23835@titan>
Message-ID: <1469cda20610040835l1830ad23w4e410846e1201f72@mail.gmail.com>

Didn't affect it; though I should say that it isn't a periodic message
(as if it were checking every minute) the messages are printed as the
messages roll in, so I end up with a continuous stream of messages,
making the terminal basically unusable.

I also forgot to mention, both systems are slackware 10.2 hosts running postfix.

On 10/4/06, Adam Maloney <adam at whee.org> wrote:
> In bash, setting the MAILCHECK env variable to 0 should disable it.
>
> bash-2.05$ set | grep MAIL
> MAIL=/var/mail/adam
> MAILCHECK=60
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Thomas Johnson wrote:
>
> > I'm testing a particular issue pertaining to SMTP for a client (the
> > issue is irrelevant) and I have been sending huge amounts of mail
> > between two SMTP hosts. The irritating thing that I am running into is
> > that every time the servers receive a message to root I get a new mail
> > notification on every root shell I have open to the system:
> >
> > New mail for root at slackware102 has arrived:
> > ----
> >
> > This gets irritating in a big hurry when I fire off a script that
> > generates 40000 messages and I'm trying to look at other things as
> > root. I know there are ways to work around this (sending mail to
> > another user, sudo, etc.), but I would prefer to just suppress the
> > messages if possible. I tried googling this and didn't find anything
> > useful, I'm not even sure what service is responsible for printing the
> > messages.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 12:58:59 2006
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:58:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stop New Mail Notifications from printing to the
	console.
In-Reply-To: <4523EA2F.6070702@perrinetech.com>
References: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041002150.23835@titan>
	<1469cda20610040835l1830ad23w4e410846e1201f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<4523EA2F.6070702@perrinetech.com>
Message-ID: <1469cda20610041058k2799cb3bu4358620d86f91f60@mail.gmail.com>

That did it, thanks Ian!

On 10/4/06, Ian Boje <kc0itq at perrinetech.com> wrote:
> Try "biff n"
>


From strayf at freeshell.org  Wed Oct  4 12:06:51 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:06:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stop New Mail Notifications from printing to the
 console.
In-Reply-To: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1469cda20610040812u2bf4180fjfcb7376fb6009cdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4523EA2B.8010903@freeshell.org>

Thomas Johnson wrote:
> New mail for root at slackware102 has arrived:
> ----
> 
> This gets irritating in a big hurry when I fire off a script that
> generates 40000 messages and I'm trying to look at other things as
> root. I know there are ways to work around this (sending mail to
> another user, sudo, etc.), but I would prefer to just suppress the
> messages if possible. I tried googling this and didn't find anything
> useful, I'm not even sure what service is responsible for printing the
> messages.

Aren't those notifications generated by syslogd or klogd?

-Steve


From kcbnac at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 14:46:39 2006
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:46:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
Message-ID: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>

Seems to come in waves - but every so often, I get a TON of bounced spam
sending mails on my catch-all.

Wondering if there's any known fixes, I have root on the box, but didn't set
it up (hosted solution; running the community version of Red Hat) so I'm not
sure what email server it uses - but can quickly identify it if needed.

This would be useful in a HOWTO format, for the long term, if there IS a
solution.

Keith Bachman
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Oct  4 14:32:54 2006
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:32:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Mailman offline for security patch
Message-ID: <200610041432.55668.tanner@real-time.com>

I'll be taking mailman offline at 1500 CDT for a security patch.

[DSA 1188-1] New mailman packages fix several problems

Package        : mailman
Vulnerability  : format string
Problem type   : remote
Debian-specific: no
CVE IDs        : CVE-2006-3636 CVE-2006-4624
BugTraq ID     : 19831

Several security related problems have been discovered in mailman, the
web-based GNU mailing list manager.  The Common Vulnerabilities and
Exposures project identifies the following problems:
-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com>          | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42  1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288
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From josh at tcbug.org  Wed Oct  4 15:02:23 2006
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:02:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>

On Wednesday 04 October 2006 14:46, Keith Bachman wrote:
> Seems to come in waves - but every so often, I get a TON of bounced
> spam sending mails on my catch-all.
>
> Wondering if there's any known fixes, I have root on the box, but
> didn't set it up (hosted solution; running the community version of
> Red Hat) so I'm not sure what email server it uses - but can
> quickly identify it if needed.
>
> This would be useful in a HOWTO format, for the long term, if there
> IS a solution.
>
> Keith Bachman

You can't keep someone from sending spam using email addresses from 
your domain.  The responses that you are getting back are called 
backscatter and you can't do anything about those either.  You can 
ensure that YOUR system won't cause backscatter but you can't do 
anything about it when you get it from other systems.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed Oct  4 15:16:02 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:16:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Josh Paetzel wrote:

> On Wednesday 04 October 2006 14:46, Keith Bachman wrote:
>> Seems to come in waves - but every so often, I get a TON of bounced
>> spam sending mails on my catch-all.
>>
>> Wondering if there's any known fixes, I have root on the box, but 
>> didn't set it up (hosted solution; running the community version of Red 
>> Hat) so I'm not sure what email server it uses - but can quickly 
>> identify it if needed.
>>
>> This would be useful in a HOWTO format, for the long term, if there IS 
>> a solution.
>>
>> Keith Bachman
>
> You can't keep someone from sending spam using email addresses from your 
> domain.  The responses that you are getting back are called backscatter 
> and you can't do anything about those either.  You can ensure that YOUR 
> system won't cause backscatter but you can't do anything about it when 
> you get it from other systems.


Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop it 
from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways to cope 
with it.  What are people doing?

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed Oct  4 19:31:38 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:31:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <1160004731.31302.69.camel@gentoobox>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1160004731.31302.69.camel@gentoobox>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041930020.17685@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Chris Mulcahy wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:16 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop it 
>> from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways to 
>> cope with it.  What are people doing?
>>
>> Mike
>
> This procmail script has kept them away from me.  I was getting several 
> thousands a day.

That was some nice procmail code.  Thanks!  I will definitely be able to 
use some of those lines.

Mike


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Oct  4 19:41:54 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:41:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610050041.k950fs928877@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Cisco 675 external ADSL router

I don't need it anymore.  Does anyone?  It's 7 years old and it worked this morning.  All accessories intact.  I would rather trade for something like a print server than sell or recycle it.

Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From bhartm at visi.com  Wed Oct  4 22:05:50 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:05:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0610041937m8893a19j32b7c12c8630fdb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200610050041.k950fs928877@crusader.real-time.com>
	<65293fcc0610041937m8893a19j32b7c12c8630fdb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4524768E.10103@visi.com>


Wow.  Whaddya got?  I didn't explicitly exclude the ever faithful dollar..

John Meier wrote:

> I need one!  I don't have  a print server though...  anything else 
> work for trade/barter/price???
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *TCLUG Classifieds * <webmaster at mn-linux.org 
> <mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org>>
> Date: Oct 4, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
>
> Category: Computer
>
> Type of Ad: For Sale
>
> Subject: Cisco 675 external ADSL router
>
> I don't need it anymore.  Does anyone?  It's 7 years old and it worked 
> this morning.  All accessories intact.  I would rather trade for 
> something like a print server than sell or recycle it.
>
> Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com
>
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 
> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>



From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Oct  5 11:03:54 2006
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:03:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041930020.17685@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<1160004731.31302.69.camel@gentoobox>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041930020.17685@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <45252CEA.3040101@freeshell.org>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Chris Mulcahy wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:16 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop it 
>>> from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways to 
>>> cope with it.  What are people doing?
>>>
>>> Mike
>> This procmail script has kept them away from me.  I was getting several 
>> thousands a day.
> 
> That was some nice procmail code.  Thanks!  I will definitely be able to 
> use some of those lines.
> 

Can you share it with the list? Thanks.

-Steve


From fholson at cohousing.org  Wed Oct  4 16:19:07 2006
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0610041415060.15146@farnsworth.tigertech.net>

On Sat Sep 30, 2006 Dan Drake  dan at dandrake.org wrote:

> I'm running Ubuntu and for some time now, I've had a big problem with it
> locking up. The machine simply won't run for more than 8-10 hours
> without locking up. It just freezes, completely, and there's nothing in
> the logs to suggest what went wrong.

After I installed Ubuntu 6.06 back in June it would lock up after random
intervals.  After I disabled the screensaver, I have
not seen such lockups.

Fred

-- 
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
Communications for Justice - My new listserv org.       UU, Linux
My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org       Ham radio:WB0YQM
fholson at cohousing.org   612-588-9532   (7am-10pm Central time)



From cmulcahy at cmulcahy.com  Wed Oct  4 18:32:11 2006
From: cmulcahy at cmulcahy.com (Chris Mulcahy)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:32:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1160004731.31302.69.camel@gentoobox>

On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:16 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:

> Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop it 
> from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways to cope 
> with it.  What are people doing?
> 
> Mike

This procmail script has kept them away from me.  I was getting several
thousands a day.  

Notice that I send some immediately to /dev/null while I send some to a
daemon-mailer folder.  I built this after some long and arduous testing.
Make sure you watch carefully and remove the items that are more
dangerous in your environment.  

If you add to this or modify it, please post to the list.  I could
certainly benefit from it. 

By the way, also look up "Joe job".  It relates to this topic as well.
There are some decent ideas for handling the flood when you are
joe-jobbed.

Good luck!
Chris


:0
* ! ^Subject: failure
* ! ^Subject: Returned
* ! ^Subject: Delivery Status
* ! ^Subject:.*delivery failed
* ! ^Subject: failure
* ! ^Subject: Returned mail
* ! ^Subject: Mail System Error
* ! ^Subject: Returned (M|m)ail
* ! ^Subject: Rejected posting
* ! ^Subject: Considered UNSOLICITED
* ! ^Subject:.*erifica
* ! ^Subject: Mail System Fehler
* ! ^Subject: Benachrichtung
* ! ^Subject: Blocked by
* ! ^Subject:.*SPAM
* ! ^Subject: Notificati
* ! ^Subject: Warning
* ! ^Subject:.*Auto-Response
* ! ^Subject:.*utomatic response
* ! ^Subject:.*Undeliv
* ! ^Subject:.*was blocked
* ! ^Subject: Out of Office
* ! ^Subject:.*Delivery (F|F)ail
* ! ^Subject:.*not be deliv
* ! ^Subject:.*FAILED
* ! ^Subject: Mail delivery
* ! ^Subject:.*Notific
* ! ^Subject:.*autoreply
* ! ^From:.*postmaster
* ! ^From:.*mail\@
* ! ^FROM_MAILER
* ! ^FROM_DAEMON
* ! ^Subject:.*process your
* ! ^Errors-to:.*spamarrest.com
{ }
:0 E:
/dev/null

# This recipe catches most DSNs
:0HB
* -1^0
* 1^0 ^FROM_MAILER
* 1^0 ^Status: 4.2.0
* 1^0 ^Status: 4.4.1
* 1^0 ^Status: 4.4.2
* 1^0 ^Status: 4.4.6
* 1^0 ^Status: 4.4.7
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.0.0
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.1.1
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.1.2
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.1.6
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.2.1
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.2.2
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.2.3
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.3.5
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.4.7
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.5.0
* 1^0 ^Status: 5.7.1
* 1^0 ^554 5.0.0 Service unavailable .*
* 1^0 ^Remote host said: 550.*User unknown
* 1^0 ^Remote host said: 554.*doesn't have a yahoo.com account.*
* 1^0 ^User.*not listed in public Name & Address Book
* 1^0 ^Sorry, no mailbox here by that name.
* 1^0 ^<.*>: Unkown user:
* 1^0 ^User mailbox exceeds allowed size:
* 1^0 ^.*No matches to nameserver query
* 1^0 ^A message that you sent could not be delivered
* 1^0 ^.*550 unknown user
* 1^0 ^This is a permanent error; I've given up.
* 1^0 ^The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
* 1^0 ^Receiver not found:.*
* 1^0 ^Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable.
* 1^0 ^--AOL Postmaster
* 1^0 ^I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
* 1^0 ^550 5.1.1 <.*>... User unknown
* 1^0 ^550 <.*>\.\.\. User unknown
* 1^0 ^Subject:.*failure notice
* 1^0 ^did not reach the following recipient\(s\):
* 1^0 ^The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
* 1^0 ^.*550 Mailbox quota exceeded
* 1^0 ^.*550 Access Denied
* 1^0 ^550 5.0.0.*Can't create output
* 1^0 ^.*There is no such addressee as
* 1^0 ^Mail Delivery Failed... User unknown
daemon-msgs




From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Oct  5 14:16:17 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:16:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu> 
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20061005191617.B891C2B3E@skuld.wookimus.net>

Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>  wrote:
> Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop
> it from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways
> to cope with it.  What are people doing?

Rather than using procmail, I use postfix's ability to filter based on
regular expressions.  It is able to reject email at the time of
delivery based on what it finds in the headers.  Check out this
document:

	http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html

I'm sure you can do an equivalent type of filter for exim or sendmail
as well.  Google gave me this link for "sendmail backscatter"

	http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm

Google is your friend...
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Oct  6 02:06:27 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:06:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Stopping spam with (MY) falsified headers?
In-Reply-To: <45252CEA.3040101@freeshell.org>
References: <32fd45370610041246qe5f763eqfa72db2267e972c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610041502.23740.josh@tcbug.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041515050.21069@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1160004731.31302.69.camel@gentoobox>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610041930020.17685@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45252CEA.3040101@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610060205380.5826@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Steve Cayford wrote:

> Mike Miller wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Chris Mulcahy wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:16 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there an efficient way to filter the backscatter?  You can't stop it
>>>> from coming to you, but once it has arrived, there are many ways to
>>>> cope with it.  What are people doing?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>> This procmail script has kept them away from me.  I was getting several
>>> thousands a day.
>>
>> That was some nice procmail code.  Thanks!  I will definitely be able to
>> use some of those lines.
>
> Can you share it with the list? Thanks.


He had sent it to the list.  Can you get it in the archives?  It was kinda 
long, so when I thanked him I didn't repeat all his code.

Mike


From bhartm at visi.com  Sat Oct  7 17:41:49 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:41:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0610060551g7e4f3caak79e0b880f7241624@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200610050041.k950fs928877@crusader.real-time.com>	
	<65293fcc0610041937m8893a19j32b7c12c8630fdb2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4524768E.10103@visi.com> <452480BD.4090205@visi.com>
	<65293fcc0610060551g7e4f3caak79e0b880f7241624@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45282D2D.8040901@visi.com>

heh, OK.  I can bring it to you Monday or Tuesday for $10 as long as 
you're not in Buffalo or some such.  (coming from St Paul)  email me 
off-list for contact info and other coordinating. 

John Meier wrote:

> Hummm...  I'm an at home dad and do a bit of consulting work on the 
> side - probably not the best career advice giver :)
>
> About how much $$ are you thinking you'd like for it?
>
> On 10/4/06, *Bob Hartmann* <bhartm at visi.com <mailto:bhartm at visi.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Job getting counseling?  I'm having a tough time getting back in
>     the game.
>
>     Bob Hartmann wrote:
>
>     >Wow.  Whaddya got?  I didn't explicitly exclude the ever faithful
>     dollar..
>     >
>     >John Meier wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >>I need one!  I don't have  a print server though...  anything else
>     >>work for trade/barter/price???
>     >>
>     >>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     >>From: *TCLUG Classifieds * < webmaster at mn-linux.org
>     <mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org>
>     >><mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org <mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org>>>
>     >>Date: Oct 4, 2006 7:41 PM
>     >>Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
>     >>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>>
>     >>
>     >>New TCLUG Classified Ad
>     >>
>     >>Category: Computer
>     >>
>     >>Type of Ad: For Sale
>     >>
>     >>Subject: Cisco 675 external ADSL router
>     >>
>     >>I don't need it anymore.  Does anyone?  It's 7 years old and it
>     worked
>     >>this morning.  All accessories intact.  I would rather trade for
>     >>something like a print server than sell or recycle it.
>     >>
>     >>Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com
>     >>
>     >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>_______________________________________________
>     >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>>
>     >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>     >><http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >_______________________________________________
>     >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     >tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>


From dan at dandrake.org  Sun Oct  8 14:43:20 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:43:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <45216B71.2030402@druswanderings.net>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>
	<45216B71.2030402@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <20061008194320.GA511@dandrake.org>

I figured out my problems with the lockups -- a bad memory *slot*.

I tried both my memory sticks (identical 512MB Crucial RAM, but bought a
year apart) alone, in either slot, and there's a bad slot. In one slot,
the machine ran fine under heavy load for over a day -- in the other,
the same random lockup behavior that prompted my first post.

So, since I can't use both sticks at once, anybody want a half-gig of
RAM?

Dan

-- 
Ceci n'est pas une .signature.
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From florin at iucha.net  Sun Oct  8 15:58:42 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:58:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20061008194320.GA511@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>
	<45216B71.2030402@druswanderings.net>
	<20061008194320.GA511@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <20061008205841.GB6103@iucha.net>

On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 02:43:20PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote:
> I figured out my problems with the lockups -- a bad memory *slot*.

It can be a motherboard trace from when the screwdriver slipped while
installing the heat sink, or the northbridge having a bad pin or
overheating - you would be appalled to see what kind of thermal pads
are used under those heatsinks.

> So, since I can't use both sticks at once, anybody want a half-gig of
> RAM?

You might be better off searching for a good motherboard.  

Cheers,
florin

-- 
If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.                       -- Edsger Dijkstra
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Sun Oct  8 16:09:22 2006
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:09:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20061008205841.GB6103@iucha.net>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org> <dan@dandrake.org>
	<1f663090609301108o177ece1l8582163bd5234100@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060930200958.GA17650@dandrake.org>
	<d9a50e890609302208s46bdaca4v32a319e58614b803@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eb23c4e0610010434u72cf3a3apd007930f265973c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061002193200.GA21692@dandrake.org>
	<45216B71.2030402@druswanderings.net>
	<20061008194320.GA511@dandrake.org> <20061008205841.GB6103@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <27e6356a0610081409h60354585x20571640679a7c44@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/8/06, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
> > So, since I can't use both sticks at once, anybody want a half-gig of
> > RAM?
>
> You might be better off searching for a good motherboard.

I wholeheartedly agree with that.  When you have a motherboard that
has something like one bad RAM slot, it might work fine for a long
time to come, or it might just be the first sign of an impending worse
failure.  Why take your chances?
I think Andy Z. has some pictures somewhere of what can happen to your
entire computer when "Something Bad" happens to one of the components.
- Justin


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Oct  8 17:01:08 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:01:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610082201.k98M18V31006@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Motherboard and Cpu Combo

Hey All,

I have a Motherboard with a AMD Athlon 1.2ghz CPU and I am looking for a good home for it.

Motherboard Specs - 
AMD Athlon 1.2ghz Cpu
Heatsink and Fan
128mb pc-133
Onboard - 
Video
Nic
Sound
Midi
Agp
2 pci slots
1 Amr Slot
2 IDE Sockets
1 Floppy Socket

Asking $65.00 for this.

Thanks

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From emon at nerdshack.com  Mon Oct  9 08:04:48 2006
From: emon at nerdshack.com (Emon)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:04:48 +0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Howto make Samba work on Suse10.1
Message-ID: <452A48F0.4000001@nerdshack.com>

Hi all

I am a novice user & I have just switched over to Suse10.1 from
Slackware10.2
(been running Slackware since Slackware9.1)

I have 4 PC connected to a home LAN. 1 running Linux, & others are
running WinXP

1)
I have (somewhat) setup samba using Yast, but the thing is, if the
firewall turned off, then I am able to access the LAN from my Suse box,
otherwise it says "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network.
This might be caused by an enabled firewall."  But as far as I can
recall there was an option during samba configuration to "Open Firewall
ports"... which I did... so what could be going wrong??

The XP boxes are able to access my samba server without any problem though.

I am also pasting my /etc/samba/smb.conf

Thanks in advance :-)
Emon

# smb.conf is the main Samba configuration file. You find a full commented
# version at /usr/share/doc/packages/samba/examples/smb.conf.SUSE if the
# samba-doc package is installed.
# Date: 2006-05-02
[global]
	workgroup = LANLINK
	bind interfaces only = true	
	interfaces = eth0 192.170.0.1	
	hosts allow = 192.170.0.0/255.255.255.0 127.0.0.1
	log level = 1
	log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
	max log size = 1024
	printing = cups
	printcap name = cups
	printcap cache time = 750
	cups options = raw
	map to guest = Bad User
	include = /etc/samba/dhcp.conf
	logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile
	logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile
	logon drive = P:
	add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd  -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody
-s /bin/false %m$
	domain logons = No
	domain master = No
	netbios name = magicbox
	security = user
[homes]
	comment = Home Directories
	valid users = %S, %D%w%S
	browseable = No
	read only = No
	inherit acls = Yes
[profiles]
	comment = Network Profiles Service
	path = %H
	read only = No
	store dos attributes = Yes
	create mask = 0600
	directory mask = 0700
[users]
	comment = All users
	path = /home
	read only = No
	inherit acls = Yes
	veto files = /aquota.user/groups/shares/
[groups]
	comment = All groups
	path = /home/groups
	read only = No
	inherit acls = Yes
[printers]
	comment = All Printers
	path = /var/tmp
	printable = Yes
	create mask = 0600
	browseable = No
[print$]
	comment = Printer Drivers
	path = /var/lib/samba/drivers
	write list = @ntadmin root
	force group = ntadmin
	create mask = 0664
	directory mask = 0775
[share]
	inherit acls = Yes
	path = /media/hd/MAGICSTORE/share/
	read only = No
	create mask = 0775
	browseable = Yes
	public = yes







From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Oct  9 09:34:27 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:34:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Howto make Samba work on Suse10.1
In-Reply-To: <452A48F0.4000001@nerdshack.com> 
References: <452A48F0.4000001@nerdshack.com>
Message-ID: <20061009143427.E70DD31C7@skuld.wookimus.net>

Emon <emon at nerdshack.com>  wrote:
> [global]
> 	workgroup = LANLINK
> 	bind interfaces only = true	
> 	interfaces = eth0 192.170.0.1	

Hmm...  This is probably O.K.  Make sure that eth0 is your internal
interface.  You will also want to add 127.0.0.1 to that list if you
want to use the SMB protocol on the hosting machine.

> 	hosts allow = 192.170.0.0/255.255.255.0 127.0.0.1

This is wrong.  You should not be using 192.170.0.0/24 as a network.
This is publicly routable address.  Instead, use one of the class C
subnets designed for private LAN's:  192.168.XXX.0/24, where XXX is 0
to 254.

> 	log level = 1
> 	log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
> 	max log size = 1024
> 	printing = cups
> 	printcap name = cups
> 	printcap cache time = 750
> 	cups options = raw
> 	map to guest = Bad User
> 	include = /etc/samba/dhcp.conf
> 	logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile
> 	logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile
> 	logon drive = P:
> 	add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd  -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody
> -s /bin/false %m$
> 	domain logons = No
> 	domain master = No

This should be set to "auto" or "yes".  This is the master browser for
the local network, which gives you your workgroup browsing.  You also
need to enable WINS if you truly want to be able to open Explorer and
see other hosts on the network.  Look at the manpage for smb.conf(5)
for more details.

> 	netbios name = magicbox
> 	security = user
 

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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Oct  9 09:47:31 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:47:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Howto make Samba work on Suse10.1
In-Reply-To: <20061009143427.E70DD31C7@skuld.wookimus.net> 
References: <452A48F0.4000001@nerdshack.com>
	<20061009143427.E70DD31C7@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20061009144731.70873222E@skuld.wookimus.net>

> This is wrong.  You should not be using 192.170.0.0/24 as a network.
> This is publicly routable address.

In fact, it appears to be controlled by hp.com:

$ dig -x 192.170.0.1 SOA
...
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
0.170.192.in-addr.arpa. 471     IN      SOA     charon.core.hp.com.
hostmaster.hp.com. 8312 10800 3600 604800 600


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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Oct  9 11:47:39 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:47:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610091647.k99GldE10390@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 30gb ipod w/click wheel

30gb iPod. Extremely good condition.Dock, firewire cable,wall charger,remote cable, headphones, extra cable w/usb & firewire, carrier,box, etc.Original iTrip included. $175.00 obo

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From bhartm at visi.com  Mon Oct  9 19:56:35 2006
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:56:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Classified Ad: Cisco 675
In-Reply-To: <45282D2D.8040901@visi.com>
References: <200610050041.k950fs928877@crusader.real-time.com>		<65293fcc0610041937m8893a19j32b7c12c8630fdb2@mail.gmail.com>		<4524768E.10103@visi.com>
	<452480BD.4090205@visi.com>	<65293fcc0610060551g7e4f3caak79e0b880f7241624@mail.gmail.com>
	<45282D2D.8040901@visi.com>
Message-ID: <452AEFC3.3040501@visi.com>



Updated:

*Cisco 675 external ADSL router* - 07:41 pm October 4, 2006 
email the seller 
<http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/email.cgi?viewcategory=Computer&adindex=270399417728> 

For Sale: I don't need it anymore. Does anyone? It's 7 years old and it 
still works. Most accessories are found, I'm still looking for the 
serial cable and the books. The 675 works only for CAP DSL. The 678 is 
CAP or DMT. And I no longer need a print server. :) tx to JM for.. 
idunno- clarification of this ad.


Guess I'll put it in the museum next to the Apple][+ and the Commodore64 
(link <http://www.c64.com/>) and the Zenith XT clone. 
We didn't need HDD's then, why do we now?  Speaking of disk drives, I 
have a bunch of little ones.  Yep, new ad, I know. 

>>    >>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>    >>From: *TCLUG Classifieds * < webmaster at mn-linux.org
>>    <mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org>
>>    >><mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org <mailto:webmaster at mn-linux.org>>>
>>    >>Date: Oct 4, 2006 7:41 PM
>>    >>Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
>>    >>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>    <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>>
>>    >>
>>    >>New TCLUG Classified Ad
>>    >>
>>    >>Category: Computer
>>    >>
>>    >>Type of Ad: For Sale
>>    >>
>>    >>Subject: Cisco 675 external ADSL router
>>    >>
>>    >>I don't need it anymore.  Does anyone?  It's 7 years old and it
>>    worked
>>    >>this morning.  All accessories intact.  I would rather trade for
>>    >>something like a print server than sell or recycle it.
>>    >>
>>    >>Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com
>>    >>
>>    >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>>    >>
>>    
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Oct  9 20:45:38 2006
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:45:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Howto make Samba work on Suse10.1
In-Reply-To: <20476774.1160405679810.JavaMail.root@sniper62>
References: <452A48F0.4000001@nerdshack.com>
	<20061009143427.E70DD31C7@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<20476774.1160405679810.JavaMail.root@sniper62>
Message-ID: <200610092045.39310.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Monday 09 October 2006 09:47, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > This is wrong.  You should not be using 192.170.0.0/24 as a network.
> > This is publicly routable address.
>
> In fact, it appears to be controlled by hp.com:
>
> $ dig -x 192.170.0.1 SOA
> ...
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> 0.170.192.in-addr.arpa. 471     IN      SOA     charon.core.hp.com.
> hostmaster.hp.com. 8312 10800 3600 604800 600

ARIN agrees

$ whois 192.170.0.0
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]

OrgName:    Hewlett-Packard Company
OrgID:      HP
Address:    3000 Hanover Street
City:       Palo Alto
StateProv:  CA
PostalCode: 94304
Country:    US

NetRange:   192.170.0.0 - 192.170.128.255
CIDR:       192.170.0.0/17, 192.170.128.0/24


From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 17:26:05 2006
From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:26:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] lockups on my Ubuntu box
In-Reply-To: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
References: <20060930175813.GA17490@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <9d6c82530610101526v50eda6edqdc9b91fd1fe0c529@mail.gmail.com>

I had a similar issue except that it would happen under both Windows and
Ubuntu.  I started suspecting the power supply and continued to unplug
devices like wireless cards until I couldn't go any further.  I then called
Dell and found out that my GX260 was known to have bad capacitors.  I was
able to identify them by the buldge.

24 hours later, I'm running Ubuntu without a hitch.

On 9/30/06, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
>
> I'm running Ubuntu and for some time now, I've had a big problem with it
> locking up. The machine simply won't run for more than 8-10 hours
> without locking up. It just freezes, completely, and there's nothing in
> the logs to suggest what went wrong.
>
> Sometimes it locks up after a little while, sometimes it goes all day.
> This has been happening since summer and all this month, so heat is not
> a problem.
>
> It seemed like a memory problem, but I ran memtest86 overnight (about 40
> passes total) and it showed no errors. So it seems like a kernel bug, or
> a problem with the motherboard. Any suggestions on how to track down the
> problem?
>
> I upgraded to Edgy Eft, since that has a new kernel, but an hour
> after getting that going, it locked up just like before.
>
> This is very irritating. I use a Windows machine sometimes at work and
> it's very depressing to see it run continuously for a week or more with
> no problems while my Linux box crashes about once a day!
>
> Here's some specs:
>
>   MSI KM3M-V motherboard
>   Sempron 1.75GHz cpu
>   2 512MB sticks of Crucial RAM
>
> Suggestions for how to track down the problem? Thanks.
>
> Dan
>
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From ringert at consumption.net  Tue Oct 10 18:07:55 2006
From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Ringer)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:07:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and process priority with needy applications
Message-ID: <452C27CB.2060708@consumption.net>

Hello,

I have a machine that serves files to a rather needy audio application.
The audio workstation uses a buffering scheme to buffer about 300k of
linear audio.

This means that at 44,100 samples/sec and 16bit stereo audio, 300k is
about 1 sec give or take of audio.

The problem I am having is that I am getting buffer underruns from the
audio application. So I am assuming that I am getting unavailability for
about one second via samba.

When I use a test workstation and set the buffers to 30k, I get more
buffer underruns.

The underruns sometimes correspond to logged activity from C programs
and expect scripts that I have written that support other services on
the server. These processes are spawned (forked) from a mod_perl
application, and are "re-parented" from httpd to init.

It seemed that smbd is being overrun by these other processes, so I
reniced smbd to -5. This sorta worked, but I still had some buffer
underruns.

I already have two NICs in the server (the audio workstations are on a
private network) so I created an instance of smbd and nmbd just for the
second NIC using the interfaces keyword and upgraded to samba 2.2.9

I now get less underruns, but they still occur. Today I specifically
nice these forked processes to +5, but I still had a few underruns.

My question is: how can I ensure that smbd is going to be able to serve
files in a consistent fashion?

Has anyone else had any issues with samba like this? Is it possible that
this is a disk access issue? How would I diagnose this?

This is on 2.4.32 SMP on a HP server with Dual 3.4 Xeons, 4G RAM, an LSI
Logic U320 RAID card, and U320 10k HDs.

Torleiv Ringer


From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 05:49:31 2006
From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:49:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Perl help
In-Reply-To: <1375.64.8.148.7.1156176971.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1375.64.8.148.7.1156176971.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <7d3948c70610110349o7dc56178oe4dbd4428b5f329c@mail.gmail.com>

If you don't get your answer here, I can post your request to the twin
cities perl mongers list if you like.  -Matt


On 8/21/06, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> I have a Perl script (contact.pl) that we are using for customized web
> forms.It has turned out to be a very good tool, but I need to customize it
> so it has drop down menus in a few places. The person who wrote the script
> is not familiar enough with Perl to do this. Is there a Perl pro on the
> list that can help me on this, or would it be better to join a Perl list
> to get the help I need?
>
>
> Raymond
>
>
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Oct 11 06:09:36 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:09:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Perl help
In-Reply-To: <7d3948c70610110349o7dc56178oe4dbd4428b5f329c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1375.64.8.148.7.1156176971.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<7d3948c70610110349o7dc56178oe4dbd4428b5f329c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160564976.22835.21.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

It's just HTML.  Just have the perl script output something like this:

<select name="form_element">
  <option>value 1</option>
  <option>value 2</option>
</select>

Parsing of the replied value will be done just like the other form
elements you have.  You'll see that form_element is assigned a value
like "value 1".  If you want to have a particular value selected by
default, then add "selected" to the option tag for that value.

You can also use the CGI module to create these with an object
interface, but this is basically what it's doing behind the scenes.

On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 05:49 -0500, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> If you don't get your answer here, I can post your request to the twin
> cities perl mongers list if you like.  -Matt
> 
> 
> On 8/21/06, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>         I have a Perl script (contact.pl) that we are using for
>         customized web
>         forms.It has turned out to be a very good tool, but I need to
>         customize it
>         so it has drop down menus in a few places. The person who
>         wrote the script 
>         is not familiar enough with Perl to do this. Is there a Perl
>         pro on the
>         list that can help me on this, or would it be better to join a
>         Perl list
>         to get the help I need?
>         
>         
>         Raymond
>         
>         
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From patrickm at citilink.com  Wed Oct 11 10:19:08 2006
From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:19:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
Message-ID: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>

I am trying to run a script in a new xterm window, but I want the window 
to remain after the script completes. Something like

$ xterm -e ~/bin/myscript

But here the xterm window closes after the script is complete. This 
seems like an easy problem, but I can't figure out how to do it.

Thanks,
Patrick McCabe


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Oct 11 10:28:09 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
In-Reply-To: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
References: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111027300.3348@Rooster>

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Patrick McCabe wrote:

> I am trying to run a script in a new xterm window, but I want the window
> to remain after the script completes. Something like

Quick'n'Dirty Solution: add a 'sleep' at the end of the script, then it'll 
wait for you to hit enter before the script terminates.


-Yaron

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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 10:27:29 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:27:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network problems
Message-ID: <1160580449.16686.274.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I have a school I service that is trying to improve the quality of their
network. They have replaced a couple 10 Mb hubs with a pair of Cisco
2950 switches. I am not entirely sure if they don't have a loop going
on, but now their appleshare servers and printers drop off randomly,
with no apparent pattern. Any ideas why this would be, or if a person
should add anything to the switch config to aid in helping appleshare
work correctly?


Raymond


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From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com  Wed Oct 11 10:45:26 2006
From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:45:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network problems
In-Reply-To: <1160580449.16686.274.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <C3D9EE274D1F3A4EB9AA0488B6C99FC40489645A@lynms601.global.ad.toro.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org 
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:27 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT network problems
> 
> I have a school I service that is trying to improve the 
> quality of their network. They have replaced a couple 10 Mb 
> hubs with a pair of Cisco 2950 switches. I am not entirely 
> sure if they don't have a loop going on, but now their 
> appleshare servers and printers drop off randomly, with no 
> apparent pattern. Any ideas why this would be, or if a person 
> should add anything to the switch config to aid in helping 
> appleshare work correctly?
> 
> 
> Raymond
> 
> 
> --

Since the switches are strictly layer 2, they don't care what protocol
is running across them. I have seen where some devices don't negotiate
Speed and duplex properly. You may have to force the speed and duplex
Settings on the switch ports to get them to stabilize.

Bruce


From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Oct 11 10:50:47 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:50:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111027300.3348@Rooster>
References: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111027300.3348@Rooster>
Message-ID: <20061011155047.GA24936@wookimus.net>

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 10:28:09AM -0500, Yaron wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Patrick McCabe wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to run a script in a new xterm window, but I want the window
> > ...[snip]...
> 
> Quick'n'Dirty Solution: add a 'sleep' at the end of the script, then it'll 
> wait for you to hit enter before the script terminates.

Don't you mean "read"?

xterm -e "sh -c 'yourscript; read JUNK'"

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Oct 11 10:59:39 2006
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:59:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
In-Reply-To: <20061011155047.GA24936@wookimus.net>
References: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111027300.3348@Rooster>
	<20061011155047.GA24936@wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111059230.3348@Rooster>

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:

> Don't you mean "read"?

Yes. Yes I do.


-Yaron

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 11:41:42 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:41:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network problems
In-Reply-To: <1160580449.16686.274.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160580449.16686.274.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610110941qb6eaee0kacbbc5d8399e4058@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I have a school I service that is trying to improve the quality of their
> network. They have replaced a couple 10 Mb hubs with a pair of Cisco
> 2950 switches. I am not entirely sure if they don't have a loop going
> on, but now their appleshare servers and printers drop off randomly,
> with no apparent pattern. Any ideas why this would be, or if a person
> should add anything to the switch config to aid in helping appleshare
> work correctly?

Bruce gave good advice about checking the speed/duplex settings on
each of the suspect ports.

Additionally, make sure that STP is turned on on your 2950 switches.
That will enable the switches to detect loops and deal gracefully with
them.

-Erik


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed Oct 11 11:48:35 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:48:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
In-Reply-To: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
References: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610111147560.22359@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Patrick McCabe wrote:

> I am trying to run a script in a new xterm window, but I want the window 
> to remain after the script completes. Something like
>
> $ xterm -e ~/bin/myscript
>
> But here the xterm window closes after the script is complete. This
> seems like an easy problem, but I can't figure out how to do it.


How does this work for you?...

$ xterm -e '~/bin/myscript ; bash'

Mike


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 12:45:41 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
Message-ID: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I have eight CentOS vmware servers on some win2003 boxes. The time and
date on these servers always drifts, no matter what settings I apply. I
finally stumbled across a way of keeping the time relatively close, by
restarting ntp every 5 minutes. The restart makes the time sync up, but
having the ntp service running alone does not work. Is there a fix for
this?


Raymond




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From patrickm at citilink.com  Wed Oct 11 13:24:03 2006
From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:24:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Xterm question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610111147560.22359@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <452D0B6C.6090000@citilink.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610111147560.22359@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <452D36C3.50203@citilink.com>

This does exactly what I need. I knew it had to be simple.

Thanks for everyone's help

Patrick

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Patrick McCabe wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to run a script in a new xterm window, but I want the 
>> window to remain after the script completes. Something like
>>
>> $ xterm -e ~/bin/myscript
>>
>> But here the xterm window closes after the script is complete. This
>> seems like an easy problem, but I can't figure out how to do it.
> 
> 
> How does this work for you?...
> 
> $ xterm -e '~/bin/myscript ; bash'
> 
> Mike
> 


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Oct 11 14:19:41 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:19:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 12:45:41PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I have eight CentOS vmware servers on some win2003 boxes. The time and
> date on these servers always drifts, no matter what settings I apply. I
> finally stumbled across a way of keeping the time relatively close, by
> restarting ntp every 5 minutes. The restart makes the time sync up, but
> having the ntp service running alone does not work. Is there a fix for
> this?

Ask the ntp server what peers it is synchronizing with:

   $ ntpdc
   ntpdc> peers
        remote           local      st poll reach  delay   offset    disp
   =======================================================================
   ...

and check if that matches what you expect.  Is there at least one
external server in the list?  Is it reachable by ping from the CentOS
vmware instance?

florin

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From ron.e.nelson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 14:28:44 2006
From: ron.e.nelson at gmail.com (Ron Nelson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:28:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <be48c3340610111228n1853d3dbiae538cc90d62d06b@mail.gmail.com>

I think the "official solution" is to run vmware-toolbox with the
"Time syncrononization" (spelling from the tool  <grin>) miscellaneous
option selected.

Not ideal if you don't want a logged in X session, but it's one
answer.  Otherwise, I'd guess cron is your friend.  ntpd restart or
just go with ntpdate every 1-5 minutes?

Ron

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I have eight CentOS vmware servers on some win2003 boxes. The time and
> date on these servers always drifts, no matter what settings I apply. I
> finally stumbled across a way of keeping the time relatively close, by
> restarting ntp every 5 minutes. The restart makes the time sync up, but
> having the ntp service running alone does not work. Is there a fix for
> this?
>
>
> Raymond
>
>
>
>
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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 14:33:21 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>


> 
> Ask the ntp server what peers it is synchronizing with:
> 
>    $ ntpdc
>    ntpdc> peers
>         remote           local      st poll reach  delay   offset    disp
>    =======================================================================


It always updates just fine when manually triggered. Here are the
results of ntpdc on one server.
=======================================================================
*LOCAL(0)        127.0.0.1       10   64   37 0.00000  0.000000 0.66202
=skipjack.no-suc x.x.x.x      2   64   37 0.04286 -0.202652 0.66272
=newt.de.20six.n x.x.x.x      4   64   37 0.10655 -0.086566 0.66327
=h-67-100-8-5.ny x.x.x.x      3   64   37 0.05330 -0.172124 0.67487


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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 14:47:47 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:47:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> It always updates just fine when manually triggered. Here are the
> results of ntpdc on one server.
> =======================================================================
> *LOCAL(0)        127.0.0.1       10   64   37 0.00000  0.000000 0.66202
> =skipjack.no-suc x.x.x.x      2   64   37 0.04286 -0.202652 0.66272
> =newt.de.20six.n x.x.x.x      4   64   37 0.10655 -0.086566 0.66327
> =h-67-100-8-5.ny x.x.x.x      3   64   37 0.05330 -0.172124 0.67487

That's your problem...looks like for whatever reason, ntpd is
preferring to sync with the local clock instead of one of the other
servers.  Try this in your ntpd.conf:

server us.pool.ntp.org prefer

-Erik


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 14:49:53 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:49:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610111249y62f75d75i41df2a5a060544e9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> It always updates just fine when manually triggered. Here are the
> results of ntpdc on one server.

Oh, and as an aside, do yourself (and the greater ntp community) and
run local "master" ntp server on your network.  Have this one sync
with us.pool.ntp.org and have the rest of your ntp servers sync
locally with your "master" server.

-Erik


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 14:51:02 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:51:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0610111249y62f75d75i41df2a5a060544e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111249y62f75d75i41df2a5a060544e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610111251m562e002h76a6b4087b533469@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, and as an aside, do yourself (and the greater ntp community) and
> run local "master" ntp server on your network.  Have this one sync
> with us.pool.ntp.org and have the rest of your ntp servers sync
> locally with your "master" server.

Whoops - first sentence was supposed to read:

"Oh, and as an aside, do yourself (and the greater ntp community) a
favor and run local "master" ntp server on your network."

-Erik

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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 14:52:14 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:52:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0610111251m562e002h76a6b4087b533469@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111249y62f75d75i41df2a5a060544e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0610111251m562e002h76a6b4087b533469@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160596334.16686.349.camel@project-1.tamray.com>


> "Oh, and as an aside, do yourself (and the greater ntp community) a
> favor and run local "master" ntp server on your network."
> 

That was my original setup, but broke from it when I couldn't get it to
work. I will try the local synchronization through vmware tools.


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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 14:53:50 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:53:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

> That's your problem...looks like for whatever reason, ntpd is
> preferring to sync with the local clock instead of one of the other
> servers.  Try this in your ntpd.conf:
> 
> server us.pool.ntp.org prefer


The local clocks are always correct.


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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 15:04:54 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:04:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> The local clocks are always correct.

"Local" in this case, refers to the VMware instance, not the host.

-Erik


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 15:17:38 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:17:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 15:04 -0500, Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> >
> > The local clocks are always correct.
> 
> "Local" in this case, refers to the VMware instance, not the host.
> 
> -Erik
> 

Well, that clears up a couple things:) I had changed everything I could
think of when I could not get the time to stick. So, outside of using
vmware tool's time synchronization, what is a configuration that works
for most vmware server setups?


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed Oct 11 15:32:23 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:32:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111530480.15283@beer.tclug.org>

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 15:04 -0500, Erik Anderson wrote:
>> "Local" in this case, refers to the VMware instance, not the host.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>
> Well, that clears up a couple things:) I had changed everything I could
> think of when I could not get the time to stick. So, outside of using
> vmware tool's time synchronization, what is a configuration that works
> for most vmware server setups?

  I'd have to agree with Ron and Erik's suggestions: Set up a local NTP 
server that works off pool.ntp.org, and run ntpdate against it every 5 or 
so minutes.  Ought to be close enough, unless the drift is absolutely 
insane.

      Jima


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 15:34:05 2006
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:34:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0610111334i6a6ce1c1v9a3bd2b4ff944642@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> Well, that clears up a couple things:) I had changed everything I could
> think of when I could not get the time to stick. So, outside of using
> vmware tool's time synchronization, what is a configuration that works
> for most vmware server setups?

A VMware setup isn't really any different than any other server if you
don't use the vmware time sync.  To answer your question, though, here
are the relevant lines from one of my Ubuntu VMware instances:

driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift
statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/
server local.ntp.server.com
restrict default kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery
restrict 127.0.0.1 nomodify

Edit the "server" line to suit your environment.

-Erik


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 11 15:38:32 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:38:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] time drifts on vmware hosts
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0610111334i6a6ce1c1v9a3bd2b4ff944642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1160588741.16686.294.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061011191941.GA11670@iucha.net>
	<1160595201.16686.344.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111247g397f554etb4e91a109fdcc07d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160596430.16686.352.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111304u74e457c0r15b623d095e8ce77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160597859.16686.365.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<fc40260f0610111334i6a6ce1c1v9a3bd2b4ff944642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160599112.16686.376.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

>  VMware setup isn't really any different than any other server if you
> don't use the vmware time sync.  

Thanks much for the great insight. I do have to disagree though, at
least in my instance. I have lost count of how many servers I have set
up, but have never had a problem with the time drifting. However, every
vmserver I have setup has had this problem. Looks like I had about the
best fix for it, outside of making the ntp request local.


Thanks again





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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 17:34:10 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
Message-ID: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is regarding
Oracle on a Linux platform ...

I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to run on
an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It needs
to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA purposes).  I
need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle 9i
database with all table structure, views, triggers,
packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc ...
all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to be
schema independent.  

So, instead of:
CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER myschema.update_audit_row
...

It needs to dump:
CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...

Is this even possible? Is there something I am
missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?

I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
script and it was almost perfect except using Export
Source Code prepends the schema name all over the
place and I can't seem to figure out how to make it
not do that.

I could also just use Toad and then use sed or similar
to strip out all the references to schema after the
dump is created but this won't fly (QA again). The
generated script must be run with out modification.

So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:

OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
fullDatabaseCopy.txt

Any help is appreciated,
Thanks!
Damien



From peter.chase at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 20:46:06 2006
From: peter.chase at gmail.com (Peter Chase)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:46:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
In-Reply-To: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e63a2c7d0610111846q5857ec7atd22cfefd222c5dc8@mail.gmail.com>

There is imp and exp you can use.  Run "exp -help" and "imp -help" for the
options.  The output from the command is a binary file, however if you need
to pull just the structure out you can with run "exp file=file.dmpindexfile=
outfile.sql".  A quick example of doing an export and importing it to a
different schema:

exp username/password owner=schema1 file=data.dmp
imp username/password fromuser=schema1 touser=schema2 file=data.dmp

The username I typically use is one with the DBA role.

The other option to exp that I'll use:

direct=y       This will bypass much of the undo that Oracle needs to write
out when importing the data back in.  This means fewer log switches, and
faster imports.
consistent=y        If you are doing an active schema this will make sure
all the data is consistent from the time you started the import.  (The
wonders of read consistency).

Hope this helps.

-Pete

On 10/11/06, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is regarding
> Oracle on a Linux platform ...
>
> I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to run on
> an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It needs
> to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA purposes).  I
> need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle 9i
> database with all table structure, views, triggers,
> packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc ...
> all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to be
> schema independent.
>
> So, instead of:
> CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER myschema.update_audit_row
> ...
>
> It needs to dump:
> CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...
>
> Is this even possible? Is there something I am
> missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?
>
> I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
> script and it was almost perfect except using Export
> Source Code prepends the schema name all over the
> place and I can't seem to figure out how to make it
> not do that.
>
> I could also just use Toad and then use sed or similar
> to strip out all the references to schema after the
> dump is created but this won't fly (QA again). The
> generated script must be run with out modification.
>
> So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:
>
> OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
> fullDatabaseCopy.txt
>
> Any help is appreciated,
> Thanks!
> Damien
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 00:04:28 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:04:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
Message-ID: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>

I had the good fortune of getting a new Core 2 Duo desktop machine at
work, but I've had no luck so far getting Linux installed on the
beast.  Has anyone figured out a relatively painless way to get a
stable desktop Linux distro (i.e., release candidate or better)
installed on one of these systems?


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Oct  4 15:47:00 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:00 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1160629582.30011.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

about the current crop of desktops...  all my home Linux boxes are
Pentium I - III machines):
<quote>
Intel(r) Core=992 Duo E6400
Intel(r) Q965 Chipset with DDR2 and Intel(r) Core=99 Duo support
</quote>

I didn't have any luck installing Ubuntu 6.06.1, and from what I've
found via Google, it seems that I'm pretty much outta luck until
kernel 2.6.18 makes its way into a mainstream distro.  I'd really
rather not be stuck with windoze for the next couple months until that
happens.  Any ideas?  At any rate, I can't spend too much time trying
to get my OS of choice up and running, since I kinda sorta have work
to do.

It's a bit off-topic, but if I *do* end up having to live with windows
for a while, does anyone have any good tips for coping with a Windows
desktop?  I found a decent virtual desktop pager, but I still miss my
middle-click-to-paste, changing window stacking via the mouse (e.g.,
middle-click the title bar of a window in pretty much any window
manager to move it below other windows), etc.


sm


From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Thu Oct 12 08:28:40 2006
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:28:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>

You could try gentoo.  There's a couple 2.6.18s in portage.  They 
haven't been flagged as stable yet, but I wouldn't think there would be 
a problem with running the vanilla kernel.

$ eix sources (edited)

* sys-kernel/vanilla-sources
      Available versions:  ~2.6.18:2.6.18 ~2.6.19_rc1:2.6.19_rc1
      Homepage:            http://www.kernel.org
      Description:         Full sources for the Linux kernel

* sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
      Available versions:  ~2.6.18:2.6.18
      Homepage:            http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches
      Description:         Full sources including the gentoo patchset 
for the 2.6 kernel tree

If all you need is the kernel, shouldn't you be able to load any distro 
that supports a generic x86 processor and build 2.6.18 yourself?  I know 
some distros add in their own patches, but they're usually not too critical.

Just my $0.02,
Chris Frederick

Sam Martin wrote:
> I had the good fortune of getting a new Core 2 Duo desktop machine at
> work, but I've had no luck so far getting Linux installed on the
> beast.  Has anyone figured out a relatively painless way to get a
> stable desktop Linux distro (i.e., release candidate or better)
> installed on one of these systems?
> 
> From the posted specs for this system (I know pretty much nothing
> about the current crop of desktops...  all my home Linux boxes are
> Pentium I - III machines):
> <quote>
> Intel(r) Core?2 Duo E6400
> Intel(r) Q965 Chipset with DDR2 and Intel(r) Core? Duo support
> </quote>
> 
> I didn't have any luck installing Ubuntu 6.06.1, and from what I've
> found via Google, it seems that I'm pretty much outta luck until
> kernel 2.6.18 makes its way into a mainstream distro.  I'd really
> rather not be stuck with windoze for the next couple months until that
> happens.  Any ideas?  At any rate, I can't spend too much time trying
> to get my OS of choice up and running, since I kinda sorta have work
> to do.
> 
> It's a bit off-topic, but if I *do* end up having to live with windows
> for a while, does anyone have any good tips for coping with a Windows
> desktop?  I found a decent virtual desktop pager, but I still miss my
> middle-click-to-paste, changing window stacking via the mouse (e.g.,
> middle-click the title bar of a window in pretty much any window
> manager to move it below other windows), etc.
> 
> 
> sm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From john.meier at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 09:22:11 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:22:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
In-Reply-To: <e63a2c7d0610111846q5857ec7atd22cfefd222c5dc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e63a2c7d0610111846q5857ec7atd22cfefd222c5dc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0610120722w7de20cet20176c4710a1d0ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/06, Peter Chase <peter.chase at gmail.com> wrote:
> There is imp and exp you can use.  Run "exp -help" and "imp -help" for the options.  The output from the command is a binary file, however if you need to pull just the structure out you can with run "exp file= file.dmp indexfile=outfile.sql".  A quick example of doing an export and importing it to a different schema:
>
> exp username/password owner=schema1 file=data.dmp
> imp username/password fromuser=schema1 touser=schema2 file= data.dmp


Used to do a bunch of oracle dba stuff years back and had to ask a
friend about this one - I can remember doing somehting like this, but
old age has taken those memories...  My friend reminded me of this:

Run an import  w/ SHOW=Y & LOG=<filename>  Instead of actually having
it import  dmp file, it'll display what it "would" import...therefore
showing you all the  DDL.

Thought it might help.


> The username I typically use is one with the DBA role.
>
> The other option to exp that I'll use:
>
> direct=y       This will bypass much of the undo that Oracle needs to write out when importing the data back in.  This means fewer log switches, and faster imports.
> consistent=y        If you are doing an active schema this will make sure all the data is consistent from the time you started the import.  (The wonders of read consistency).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Pete
>
>
>
> On 10/11/06, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is regarding
> > Oracle on a Linux platform ...
> >
> > I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to run on
> > an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It needs
> > to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA purposes).  I
> > need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle 9i
> > database with all table structure, views, triggers,
> > packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc ...
> > all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to be
> > schema independent.
> >
> > So, instead of:
> > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER myschema.update_audit_row
> > ...
> >
> > It needs to dump:
> > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...
> >
> > Is this even possible? Is there something I am
> > missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?
> >
> > I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
> > script and it was almost perfect except using Export
> > Source Code prepends the schema name all over the
> > place and I can't seem to figure out how to make it
> >  not do that.
> >
> > I could also just use Toad and then use sed or similar
> > to strip out all the references to schema after the
> > dump is created but this won't fly (QA again). The
> > generated script must be run with out modification.
> >
> > So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:
> >
> > OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
> > fullDatabaseCopy.txt
> >
> > Any help is appreciated,
> > Thanks!
> > Damien
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 09:36:55 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:36:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/06, Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:
> You could try gentoo.  There's a couple 2.6.18s in portage.  They
> haven't been flagged as stable yet, but I wouldn't think there would be
> a problem with running the vanilla kernel.

Thanks for the tip.  I'll have to take a look at gentoo.

> If all you need is the kernel, shouldn't you be able to load any distro
> that supports a generic x86 processor and build 2.6.18 yourself?  I know
> some distros add in their own patches, but they're usually not too critical.

It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I
haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my
generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no
installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot
process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has
better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try
installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for
now, I'm pretty much stuck.


sm


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 09:53:52 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:53:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0610120753x29906eabxc68a0459a88b53bf@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried a "Live" distrobution, like Knoppix?

On 10/12/06, Sam Martin <s.earl.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/12/06, Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:
> > You could try gentoo.  There's a couple 2.6.18s in portage.  They
> > haven't been flagged as stable yet, but I wouldn't think there would be
> > a problem with running the vanilla kernel.
>
> Thanks for the tip.  I'll have to take a look at gentoo.
>
> > If all you need is the kernel, shouldn't you be able to load any distro
> > that supports a generic x86 processor and build 2.6.18 yourself?  I know
> > some distros add in their own patches, but they're usually not too critical.
>
> It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I
> haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my
> generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no
> installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot
> process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has
> better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try
> installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for
> now, I'm pretty much stuck.
>
>
> sm
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 10:00:18 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:00:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0610120800j2f8a6d71u198fcbc299221f8d@mail.gmail.com>

Try this again, without hitting send before I am ready :)

Couple of "survival" techniques you could do to survive with Windows,
while waiting for the new kernel:
1) If you have the fortune to be able to install Windows Server on
your machine, you could download the free VMWare server and install
Linux within there.  Then configure and run the VMWare console on the
same machine.  Or, get VMWare workstation, which does not need a
server version of Windows.
2) Try a live distrobution.

- Joey

On 10/12/06, Sam Martin <s.earl.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/12/06, Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:
> > You could try gentoo.  There's a couple 2.6.18s in portage.  They
> > haven't been flagged as stable yet, but I wouldn't think there would be
> > a problem with running the vanilla kernel.
>
> Thanks for the tip.  I'll have to take a look at gentoo.
>
> > If all you need is the kernel, shouldn't you be able to load any distro
> > that supports a generic x86 processor and build 2.6.18 yourself?  I know
> > some distros add in their own patches, but they're usually not too critical.
>
> It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I
> haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my
> generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no
> installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot
> process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has
> better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try
> installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for
> now, I'm pretty much stuck.
>
>
> sm
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 10:03:57 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:03:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] CD-RW in a DVD Burner
Message-ID: <101e49ea0610120803k4a90f309qa01dd68c038cbd91@mail.gmail.com>

I have noticed that if I burn to a CD-RW disc in either of my DVD
burners, that the disc can no longer be written to by a CD burner.  I
can still erase/burn to it in the DVD burners.  And any CD-ROM can
still read from it.  I just cannot burn to the disc anymore from a CD
Burner.  Is this a common problem?

This reminds me of the days when we had 5.25" disks in double density
and high density formats....

- Joey


From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 10:16:21 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0610120722w7de20cet20176c4710a1d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061012151621.44638.qmail@web37213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Pete and John,

 Great suggestions, just the kind of thing I was
looking for.  There must be reasons that I just don't
understand as to why you can't just do something like

$> exp liveDbHandle --no-schema
scriptfile=fullTextDump.sql 

Or maybe you can based on Pete's suggestions. Haven't
looked into it yet but will do so later today.

Thanks!!

Damien




--- John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/11/06, Peter Chase <peter.chase at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > There is imp and exp you can use.  Run "exp -help"
> and "imp -help" for the options.  The output from
> the command is a binary file, however if you need to
> pull just the structure out you can with run "exp
> file= file.dmp indexfile=outfile.sql".  A quick
> example of doing an export and importing it to a
> different schema:
> >
> > exp username/password owner=schema1 file=data.dmp
> > imp username/password fromuser=schema1
> touser=schema2 file= data.dmp
> 
> 
> Used to do a bunch of oracle dba stuff years back
> and had to ask a
> friend about this one - I can remember doing
> somehting like this, but
> old age has taken those memories...  My friend
> reminded me of this:
> 
> Run an import  w/ SHOW=Y & LOG=<filename>  Instead
> of actually having
> it import  dmp file, it'll display what it "would"
> import...therefore
> showing you all the  DDL.
> 
> Thought it might help.
> 
> 
> > The username I typically use is one with the DBA
> role.
> >
> > The other option to exp that I'll use:
> >
> > direct=y       This will bypass much of the undo
> that Oracle needs to write out when importing the
> data back in.  This means fewer log switches, and
> faster imports.
> > consistent=y        If you are doing an active
> schema this will make sure all the data is
> consistent from the time you started the import. 
> (The wonders of read consistency).
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >  Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is
> regarding
> > > Oracle on a Linux platform ...
> > >
> > > I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to
> run on
> > > an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It
> needs
> > > to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA
> purposes).  I
> > > need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle
> 9i
> > > database with all table structure, views,
> triggers,
> > > packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc
> ...
> > > all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to
> be
> > > schema independent.
> > >
> > > So, instead of:
> > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER
> myschema.update_audit_row
> > > ...
> > >
> > > It needs to dump:
> > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...
> > >
> > > Is this even possible? Is there something I am
> > > missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?
> > >
> > > I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
> > > script and it was almost perfect except using
> Export
> > > Source Code prepends the schema name all over
> the
> > > place and I can't seem to figure out how to make
> it
> > >  not do that.
> > >
> > > I could also just use Toad and then use sed or
> similar
> > > to strip out all the references to schema after
> the
> > > dump is created but this won't fly (QA again).
> The
> > > generated script must be run with out
> modification.
> > >
> > > So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:
> > >
> > > OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
> > > fullDatabaseCopy.txt
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated,
> > > Thanks!
> > > Damien
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >
>
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
>
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 10:17:32 2006
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:17:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0610120800j2f8a6d71u198fcbc299221f8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0610120800j2f8a6d71u198fcbc299221f8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0610120817r79b63e37n782522698a96ce95@mail.gmail.com>

Thought of another one:

3) Set up FreeNX on your home machine, make sure port 22 is open on it
and your firewall, and install NoMachine Client on your windows
computer at work.  Then you have your home computer at work.  Side
note: NoMachine does offer a free version of their NX server now, and
I personally find it a bit more stable.  They only restrict how many
simultaneous connections you can have.

On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> Try this again, without hitting send before I am ready :)
>
> Couple of "survival" techniques you could do to survive with Windows,
> while waiting for the new kernel:
> 1) If you have the fortune to be able to install Windows Server on
> your machine, you could download the free VMWare server and install
> Linux within there.  Then configure and run the VMWare console on the
> same machine.  Or, get VMWare workstation, which does not need a
> server version of Windows.
> 2) Try a live distrobution.
>
> - Joey
>
> On 10/12/06, Sam Martin <s.earl.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/12/06, Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:
> > > You could try gentoo.  There's a couple 2.6.18s in portage.  They
> > > haven't been flagged as stable yet, but I wouldn't think there would be
> > > a problem with running the vanilla kernel.
> >
> > Thanks for the tip.  I'll have to take a look at gentoo.
> >
> > > If all you need is the kernel, shouldn't you be able to load any distro
> > > that supports a generic x86 processor and build 2.6.18 yourself?  I know
> > > some distros add in their own patches, but they're usually not too critical.
> >
> > It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I
> > haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my
> > generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no
> > installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot
> > process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has
> > better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try
> > installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for
> > now, I'm pretty much stuck.
> >
> >
> > sm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 10:54:39 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:54:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0610120817r79b63e37n782522698a96ce95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0610120800j2f8a6d71u198fcbc299221f8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0610120817r79b63e37n782522698a96ce95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890610120854t7caac82as9199d564368d3907@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> 3) Set up FreeNX on your home machine

That's not a bad idea, but my home network connection's a little
spotty, and my desktop machine at home is a 933mhz pentium III.  I
want to play with the core 2 duo... sigh.

> On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1) If you have the fortune to be able to install Windows Server on
> > your machine, you could download the free VMWare server and install
> > Linux within there.  Then configure and run the VMWare console on the
> > same machine.  Or, get VMWare workstation, which does not need a
> > server version of Windows.

That would probably work, and I may end up going that route.  I'm on
WinXP, but you can use easyvmx.com to create an empty virtual machine
that'll work with VMWare player.  It's not as nice as Workstation, but
it's pretty handy (and free).  I regularly use VMWare player from a
Linux workstation to test Windows software (we license a third-party
wince/palm app with a windows-only conduit at work, so I have to be
able to test it), so I guess doing the reverse for a while won't kill
me.


> > 2) Try a live distrobution.

That'd be my first choice (the beast has 2GB of RAM, so I was looking
forward to running a livecd with the "toram" option), but I can't get
one to boot.  Knoppix, Slax, DSL, Mepis (I've grown quite a collection
of live cds over the years)... I'll play with the boot args to see if
I get lucky, but none of the CDs I tried could recognize my dvd drive
during the boot process.


sm


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Oct 12 11:42:34 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:42:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0610121141030.20815@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Sam Martin wrote:
> It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I 
> haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my 
> generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no 
> installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot 
> process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has 
> better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try 
> installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for 
> now, I'm pretty much stuck.

If you don't mind Debian, try this:

http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/netboot/mini.iso

..boots from the cd, and then uses the network to install.

OF course, since you've got a core2duo, you'll want a 64-bit distro:

http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/beta3/images/netboot/mini.iso

*grin*

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
------------------------------------------------------------------------


From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Thu Oct 12 11:43:37 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120854t7caac82as9199d564368d3907@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0610120817r79b63e37n782522698a96ce95@mail.gmail.com>
	<d9a50e890610120854t7caac82as9199d564368d3907@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610121143.37527.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Thursday 12 October 2006 10:54, "Sam Martin" <s.earl.martin at gmail.com> sent 
a missive stating: 
> On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 3) Set up FreeNX on your home machine
>
> That's not a bad idea, but my home network connection's a little
> spotty, and my desktop machine at home is a 933mhz pentium III.  I
> want to play with the core 2 duo... sigh.
>
> > On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 1) If you have the fortune to be able to install Windows Server on
> > > your machine, you could download the free VMWare server and install
> > > Linux within there.  Then configure and run the VMWare console on the
> > > same machine.  Or, get VMWare workstation, which does not need a
> > > server version of Windows.
>
> That would probably work, and I may end up going that route.  I'm on
> WinXP, but you can use easyvmx.com to create an empty virtual machine
> that'll work with VMWare player.  It's not as nice as Workstation, but
> it's pretty handy (and free).  I regularly use VMWare player from a
> Linux workstation to test Windows software (we license a third-party
> wince/palm app with a windows-only conduit at work, so I have to be
> able to test it), so I guess doing the reverse for a while won't kill
> me.
>
> > > 2) Try a live distrobution.
>
> That'd be my first choice (the beast has 2GB of RAM, so I was looking
> forward to running a livecd with the "toram" option), but I can't get
> one to boot.  Knoppix, Slax, DSL, Mepis (I've grown quite a collection
> of live cds over the years)... I'll play with the boot args to see if
> I get lucky, but none of the CDs I tried could recognize my dvd drive
> during the boot process.

Sorry, I missed the start of this thread. What's the model of the lappy again? 
See if you can get into the BIOS and disable "SATA" mode or enable "legacy 
PATA" mode.

I have a HP Pavilion DV8000 and Gentoo (the last time I tried) wouldn't 
install without that setting. Of course, niether would XP. Suprisingly, 
FreeBSD booted just fine in SATA mode. Maybe give PC-BSD a shot or grab a 
minimal install ISO of FreeBSD.


Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Oct 12 11:51:34 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:51:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061012165134.GC11670@iucha.net>

On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:36:55AM -0500, Sam Martin wrote:
> It's the "load any distro" step that I can't get past.  So far, I
> haven't been able to find a magic incantation that makes any of my
> generic install cds recognize my dvd drive, which leads to a "no
> installation medium found" type of message somewhere in the boot
> process.  I'm hoping that the updated kernel, which supposedly has
> better support for my hardware, will get me past that step.  I may try
> installing with the cd image stored on some external medium, but for
> now, I'm pretty much stuck.

Have you tried booting from a USB flash drive?  I have not tried the
approach documented in

   http://d-i.pascal.at/

but try it and let us know.

florin

-- 
If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.                       -- Edsger Dijkstra
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 12:03:12 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:03:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890610120854t7caac82as9199d564368d3907@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d9a50e890610120736g5982fadcua3b8abd4e6b50eda@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d9a50e890610120854t7caac82as9199d564368d3907@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70610121003s76f4fe10i1a0d54356d7cac9b@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if your Googling has already taken you down this road but somebody
else with that chipset was able to boot using this:

Bios option : ACHI mode for SATA
booting time command:

linux pci=nommconf

On 10/12/06, Sam Martin <s.earl.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 3) Set up FreeNX on your home machine
>
> That's not a bad idea, but my home network connection's a little
> spotty, and my desktop machine at home is a 933mhz pentium III.  I
> want to play with the core 2 duo... sigh.
>
> > On 10/12/06, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 1) If you have the fortune to be able to install Windows Server on
> > > your machine, you could download the free VMWare server and install
> > > Linux within there.  Then configure and run the VMWare console on the
> > > same machine.  Or, get VMWare workstation, which does not need a
> > > server version of Windows.
>
> That would probably work, and I may end up going that route.  I'm on
> WinXP, but you can use easyvmx.com to create an empty virtual machine
> that'll work with VMWare player.  It's not as nice as Workstation, but
> it's pretty handy (and free).  I regularly use VMWare player from a
> Linux workstation to test Windows software (we license a third-party
> wince/palm app with a windows-only conduit at work, so I have to be
> able to test it), so I guess doing the reverse for a while won't kill
> me.
>
>
> > > 2) Try a live distrobution.
>
> That'd be my first choice (the beast has 2GB of RAM, so I was looking
> forward to running a livecd with the "toram" option), but I can't get
> one to boot.  Knoppix, Slax, DSL, Mepis (I've grown quite a collection
> of live cds over the years)... I'll play with the boot args to see if
> I get lucky, but none of the CDs I tried could recognize my dvd drive
> during the boot process.
>
>
> sm
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 12:16:49 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:16:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0610121141030.20815@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0610121141030.20815@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890610121016u5bcbf2ccleb5a232b7e52bdb6@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/06, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> OF course, since you've got a core2duo, you'll want a 64-bit distro:
>
> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/beta3/images/netboot/mini.iso
>
> *grin*

64-bit, eh?  Hehehe, I somehow failed to notice that.  I'll try the
64-bit netinstall debian image and see what happens...

sm


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 12:47:03 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:47:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70610121003s76f4fe10i1a0d54356d7cac9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9a50e890610112204g15c14d78u81fcf592c4475379@mail.gmail.com>
	<452E4308.3060504@cdf123.net>
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On 10/12/06, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if your Googling has already taken you down this road but somebody
> else with that chipset was able to boot using this:
>
>  Bios option : ACHI mode for SATA
>  booting time command:
>
>  linux pci=nommconf
>

We have a winner!  I must've skipped over that setting, as I now see
it sitting in the Ubuntu wiki I looked at yesterday (though not nearly
as plainly worded, and without the boot arg).

The NIC still doesn't work, but I can get my hands on a kernel that
should take care of that.

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions, folks!

sm


From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 13:25:30 2006
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:25:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and process priority with needy applications
In-Reply-To: <452C27CB.2060708@consumption.net>
References: <452C27CB.2060708@consumption.net>
Message-ID: <452E889A.9080408@gmail.com>

Do the other processes do much disk IO?  Maybe it's your disk that can't 
keep up.  Nice doesn't have much effect when a process uses up all the 
disk IO.

If you have multiple disks, you could try moving files around such that 
the files being served by smb are on a different disk that the others 
(and also a different disk than the system install)

Dan


-- 
****************************
Daniel Armbrust
Biomedical Informatics
Mayo Clinic Rochester
daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu
http://informatics.mayo.edu/


From ringert at consumption.net  Thu Oct 12 13:35:09 2006
From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Ringer)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:35:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba and process priority with needy applications
In-Reply-To: <452E889A.9080408@gmail.com>
References: <452C27CB.2060708@consumption.net> <452E889A.9080408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452E8ADD.8030802@consumption.net>

Dan Armbrust wrote:
> Do the other processes do much disk IO?  Maybe it's your disk that 
> can't keep up.  Nice doesn't have much effect when a process uses up 
> all the disk IO.
>
> If you have multiple disks, you could try moving files around such 
> that the files being served by smb are on a different disk that the 
> others (and also a different disk than the system install)
>
> Dan
Yes, the other processes are doing almost nothing but disk IO.

The samba processes are serving data from a separate RAID group, and 
separate bunch of disks. The Apache processes are serving data and 
munging data on the OS RAID group. These RAID groups do share a common 
controller, but they are on different channels.

Disk setup on server:

RAID group 0
(2) 36G U320 7200k SCSI disks in RAID 1 configuration
contains system OS

RAID group 1
(6) 300G U320 10k SCSI disks in RAID 5 configuration
contains audio files only

-- 
I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where 
they're going and hook up with them later. 
 - Mitch Hedberg



From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us  Thu Oct 12 21:10:01 2006
From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Greg Siems)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:10:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0610120722w7de20cet20176c4710a1d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e63a2c7d0610111846q5857ec7atd22cfefd222c5dc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0610120722w7de20cet20176c4710a1d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1160705401.25495.6.camel@petra.pca.state.mn.us>

Nice. That sounds even better than trying to wrangle the dbms_metadata
package (which doesn't seem to work quite right in 9i*-- It's supposed
to be fixed in 10g).

I'll have to try that out.

--greg

* It insists on wrapping at column 80 in sqlplus and 'set line size xxx'
has absolutely no effect.


On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 09:22 -0500, John Meier wrote:
> On 10/11/06, Peter Chase <peter.chase at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is imp and exp you can use.  Run "exp -help" and "imp -help" for the options.  The output from the command is a binary file, however if you need to pull just the structure out you can with run "exp file= file.dmp indexfile=outfile.sql".  A quick example of doing an export and importing it to a different schema:
> >
> > exp username/password owner=schema1 file=data.dmp
> > imp username/password fromuser=schema1 touser=schema2 file= data.dmp
> 
> 
> Used to do a bunch of oracle dba stuff years back and had to ask a
> friend about this one - I can remember doing somehting like this, but
> old age has taken those memories...  My friend reminded me of this:
> 
> Run an import  w/ SHOW=Y & LOG=<filename>  Instead of actually having
> it import  dmp file, it'll display what it "would" import...therefore
> showing you all the  DDL.
> 
> Thought it might help.
> 
> 
> > The username I typically use is one with the DBA role.
> >
> > The other option to exp that I'll use:
> >
> > direct=y       This will bypass much of the undo that Oracle needs to write out when importing the data back in.  This means fewer log switches, and faster imports.
> > consistent=y        If you are doing an active schema this will make sure all the data is consistent from the time you started the import.  (The wonders of read consistency).
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >  Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is regarding
> > > Oracle on a Linux platform ...
> > >
> > > I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to run on
> > > an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It needs
> > > to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA purposes).  I
> > > need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle 9i
> > > database with all table structure, views, triggers,
> > > packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc ...
> > > all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to be
> > > schema independent.
> > >
> > > So, instead of:
> > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER myschema.update_audit_row
> > > ...
> > >
> > > It needs to dump:
> > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...
> > >
> > > Is this even possible? Is there something I am
> > > missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?
> > >
> > > I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
> > > script and it was almost perfect except using Export
> > > Source Code prepends the schema name all over the
> > > place and I can't seem to figure out how to make it
> > >  not do that.
> > >
> > > I could also just use Toad and then use sed or similar
> > > to strip out all the references to schema after the
> > > dump is created but this won't fly (QA again). The
> > > generated script must be run with out modification.
> > >
> > > So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:
> > >
> > > OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
> > > fullDatabaseCopy.txt
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated,
> > > Thanks!
> > > Damien
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From peter.chase at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 09:10:41 2006
From: peter.chase at gmail.com (Peter Chase)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:10:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Oracle equivalent of mysqldump ?
In-Reply-To: <1160705401.25495.6.camel@petra.pca.state.mn.us>
References: <20061011223410.52468.qmail@web37205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e63a2c7d0610111846q5857ec7atd22cfefd222c5dc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0610120722w7de20cet20176c4710a1d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<1160705401.25495.6.camel@petra.pca.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <e63a2c7d0610130710n7e0b5d96od62a52952d3f972c@mail.gmail.com>

If you need more help you can also check out asktom.oracle.com.  Tom Kyte is
one of the best, if not THE best, Oracle guru out there.  He answers all
questions with examples and proofs.  It's not too often that I can't find an
answer to my question already out there.

-Pete

On 10/12/06, Greg Siems <Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us> wrote:
>
> Nice. That sounds even better than trying to wrangle the dbms_metadata
> package (which doesn't seem to work quite right in 9i*-- It's supposed
> to be fixed in 10g).
>
> I'll have to try that out.
>
> --greg
>
> * It insists on wrapping at column 80 in sqlplus and 'set line size xxx'
> has absolutely no effect.
>
>
> On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 09:22 -0500, John Meier wrote:
> > On 10/11/06, Peter Chase <peter.chase at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There is imp and exp you can use.  Run "exp -help" and "imp -help" for
> the options.  The output from the command is a binary file, however if you
> need to pull just the structure out you can with run "exp file= file.dmpindexfile=
> outfile.sql".  A quick example of doing an export and importing it to a
> different schema:
> > >
> > > exp username/password owner=schema1 file=data.dmp
> > > imp username/password fromuser=schema1 touser=schema2 file= data.dmp
> >
> >
> > Used to do a bunch of oracle dba stuff years back and had to ask a
> > friend about this one - I can remember doing somehting like this, but
> > old age has taken those memories...  My friend reminded me of this:
> >
> > Run an import  w/ SHOW=Y & LOG=<filename>  Instead of actually having
> > it import  dmp file, it'll display what it "would" import...therefore
> > showing you all the  DDL.
> >
> > Thought it might help.
> >
> >
> > > The username I typically use is one with the DBA role.
> > >
> > > The other option to exp that I'll use:
> > >
> > > direct=y       This will bypass much of the undo that Oracle needs to
> write out when importing the data back in.  This means fewer log switches,
> and faster imports.
> > > consistent=y        If you are doing an active schema this will make
> sure all the data is consistent from the time you started the import.  (The
> wonders of read consistency).
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/11/06, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >  Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic but is regarding
> > > > Oracle on a Linux platform ...
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for the equivalent of mysqldump to run on
> > > > an Oracle 9i database.  But there is more.  It needs
> > > > to be an oracle product or Toad (for QA purposes).  I
> > > > need to dump a text script of an entire Oracle 9i
> > > > database with all table structure, views, triggers,
> > > > packages, functions, procedures, sequences, etc ...
> > > > all of it but here is the kicker.  It needs to be
> > > > schema independent.
> > > >
> > > > So, instead of:
> > > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER myschema.update_audit_row
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It needs to dump:
> > > > CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER update_audit_row ...
> > > >
> > > > Is this even possible? Is there something I am
> > > > missing?  Can Sql*Plus do this for me?
> > > >
> > > > I already tried using TOAD to dump the data as a
> > > > script and it was almost perfect except using Export
> > > > Source Code prepends the schema name all over the
> > > > place and I can't seem to figure out how to make it
> > > >  not do that.
> > > >
> > > > I could also just use Toad and then use sed or similar
> > > > to strip out all the references to schema after the
> > > > dump is created but this won't fly (QA again). The
> > > > generated script must be run with out modification.
> > > >
> > > > So, anyone know of an oracle tool like:
> > > >
> > > > OraOnLinux $> oradump --no-schema --no-data >
> > > > fullDatabaseCopy.txt
> > > >
> > > > Any help is appreciated,
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Damien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Oct 13 19:20:02 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:20:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610140020.k9E0K2715485@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Processors

Hey All,

I have two processors I would like to get rid of.

1 is a Intel Penitum 4(2.4ghz) 533mhz fsb

The other one is a Amd Duron(800mhz) Socket 462(I think)...

I am asking for $105 for both. Or best offer.

Thanks,

Dan

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Sun Oct 15 10:56:33 2006
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:56:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ATX Case and 300W Power Supply, Extras, FREE
Message-ID: <200610151612.k9FGBxdV022811@delta.twp-llc.com>

Hey all,

I have an ATX case sitting here that has to go.

It's got two accessible 5" bays and THREE 3.5" bays. I don't know why I was
so excited about that when I bought it (maybe thinking floppy, tape and ...
man, just don't know).

Room for two internal drives, or five if you use the external bays.

300W power supply worked great for my Athlon system.

Floppy drive still installed; worked last time I powered it up.

There's also an ABIT KT7-RAID motherboard in there that may or may not be
reliable. The fan for the bridge chip broke, so I replaced it, but I never
properly attached it, so it's loose, and the board may be on its last legs,
or it may work just fine for you.

It's all free if you pick it up at my home in Saint Paul, or where I work in
Eden Prairie. Send an e-mail with your phone number to claim it.

Chris Schumann

PS - The case color is a warm, comforting beige.



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Oct 15 16:26:13 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:26:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610152126.k9FLQDC12903@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Antec Power Suppiles

I have 2 300watt Antec ATX power supplies, both of these work.  If anyone is intrested in these.  I would prefer to sell them together.

I am asking $60.00 for both or $ 30.00 for One.

Thanks!

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Oct 15 16:47:33 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:47:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610152147.k9FLlX313196@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Antec Power Suppiles

I have 2 300watt Antec ATX power supplies, both of these work.  If anyone is intrested in these.  I would prefer to sell them together.

I am asking $60.00 for both or $ 30.00 for One.

Thanks!

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Oct 15 16:52:06 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:52:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610152152.k9FLq6d13435@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Antec Power Suppiles

I have 2 300watt Antec ATX power supplies, both of these work.  If anyone is intrested in these.  I would prefer to sell them together.

I am asking $60.00 for both or $ 30.00 for One.

Thanks!

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From itwontdie at gmail.com  Mon Oct 16 14:28:28 2006
From: itwontdie at gmail.com (chi)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:28:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
Message-ID: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought the book "LPI Certification in a nutshell" and am
planning to take the LPI tests. I am curious what the local Linux
community thinks about the LPI "http://www.lpi.org/" am i wasting my
time? are there a better Linux Certifications out there? has anyone
taken these tests and gotten hired because of them?

I have no Linux specific schooling but love GNU/Linux especially
Gentoo. i would appreciate your thoughts and opinions.

-Ryan


From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Oct 16 15:09:20 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:09:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
In-Reply-To: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>

Your goal is to get hired in as a Linux Sys admin? Where do you want to
work? If your looking a large company, I would go for RHCE or the Novell
equivalent.

Now to my opinion. I have been thinking about this lately. The only reason I
can see to get a cert is if A your switching jobs and your experience is not
optimal or B if your workplace will give you more money. Maybe C you want to
teach the cert material.

Brock


On 10/16/06, chi <itwontdie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just bought the book "LPI Certification in a nutshell" and am
> planning to take the LPI tests. I am curious what the local Linux
> community thinks about the LPI "http://www.lpi.org/" am i wasting my
> time? are there a better Linux Certifications out there? has anyone
> taken these tests and gotten hired because of them?
>
> I have no Linux specific schooling but love GNU/Linux especially
> Gentoo. i would appreciate your thoughts and opinions.
>
> -Ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From seehow at iphouse.com  Mon Oct 16 19:18:06 2006
From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>
	<741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1161044286.1102.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm studying LPI not for certification but to have a full rounded
knowledge of GNU/Linux.  I have the Nutshell book too, it's a bit old.
I'm using it as a core and getting other books on the various subjects
it covers.  There is a book by Sybex that is LPI approved and much newer
than the Nutshell book.  I also have it, not reading it till I decide to
take the test.  

Boy Scouts earn badges, but if you want to climb those ranks, earn those
badges.  Probably look better to have multiple certs.  If you pass one,
the other should be easy.  


On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:09 -0500, Brock Noland wrote:
> Your goal is to get hired in as a Linux Sys admin? Where do you want
> to work? If your looking a large company, I would go for RHCE or the
> Novell equivalent.
>  
> Now to my opinion. I have been thinking about this lately. The only
> reason I can see to get a cert is if A your switching jobs and your
> experience is not optimal or B if your workplace will give you more
> money. Maybe C you want to teach the cert material.
>  
> Brock
> 
>  
> On 10/16/06, chi <itwontdie at gmail.com> wrote: 
>         I just bought the book "LPI Certification in a nutshell" and
>         am
>         planning to take the LPI tests. I am curious what the local
>         Linux 
>         community thinks about the LPI "http://www.lpi.org/" am i
>         wasting my
>         time? are there a better Linux Certifications out there? has
>         anyone
>         taken these tests and gotten hired because of them? 
>         
>         I have no Linux specific schooling but love GNU/Linux
>         especially
>         Gentoo. i would appreciate your thoughts and opinions.
>         
>         -Ryan
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Oct 16 20:27:28 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:27:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
In-Reply-To: <1161044286.1102.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>
	<741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1161044286.1102.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610161827n15d5c8aei36e3552c29feff3d@mail.gmail.com>

This makes sense. The LPI material will likely help. The RHCE teaches alot
of material which is specific to RH, but also a certain amount of knowledge
which is vendor neutral.

Love it or hate it, the RHCE is definitely the best known in the IT Manager
realm. Which is why I am studying for the RHCE.

Brock

On 10/16/06, Christopher Howard <seehow at iphouse.com> wrote:
>
> I'm studying LPI not for certification but to have a full rounded
> knowledge of GNU/Linux.  I have the Nutshell book too, it's a bit old.
> I'm using it as a core and getting other books on the various subjects
> it covers.  There is a book by Sybex that is LPI approved and much newer
> than the Nutshell book.  I also have it, not reading it till I decide to
> take the test.
>
> Boy Scouts earn badges, but if you want to climb those ranks, earn those
> badges.  Probably look better to have multiple certs.  If you pass one,
> the other should be easy.
>
>
> On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:09 -0500, Brock Noland wrote:
> > Your goal is to get hired in as a Linux Sys admin? Where do you want
> > to work? If your looking a large company, I would go for RHCE or the
> > Novell equivalent.
> >
> > Now to my opinion. I have been thinking about this lately. The only
> > reason I can see to get a cert is if A your switching jobs and your
> > experience is not optimal or B if your workplace will give you more
> > money. Maybe C you want to teach the cert material.
> >
> > Brock
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/06, chi <itwontdie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         I just bought the book "LPI Certification in a nutshell" and
> >         am
> >         planning to take the LPI tests. I am curious what the local
> >         Linux
> >         community thinks about the LPI "http://www.lpi.org/" am i
> >         wasting my
> >         time? are there a better Linux Certifications out there? has
> >         anyone
> >         taken these tests and gotten hired because of them?
> >
> >         I have no Linux specific schooling but love GNU/Linux
> >         especially
> >         Gentoo. i would appreciate your thoughts and opinions.
> >
> >         -Ryan
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Oct 16 22:04:45 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:04:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] module build error
Message-ID: <4534484D.8080207@lctn.org>

What do I need to install, or enable to get past this error:

I am working with a Centos 4.3 server.

Module::Build is not configured with C_support at 
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/Module/Build/Base.pm line 3734.
make: *** [all] Error 2
  /usr/bin/make  -- NOT OK


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From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 11:58:06 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:58:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79758ac80610161228p97daaeevc6c3598cb54f302e@mail.gmail.com>
	<741dcbb80610161309l755a22a6t2106142604de0fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <914f813c0610170958l751e3191w297f06ea8e98936c@mail.gmail.com>

Or D: you're trying to fill in blanks to get your resume through HR to
the actual people doing the interviews & hiring...

On 10/16/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now to my opinion. I have been thinking about this lately. The only reason I
> can see to get a cert is if A your switching jobs and your experience is not
> optimal or B if your workplace will give you more money. Maybe C you want to
> teach the cert material.

My own opinion on the LPI...overall, it's decent. Not as comprehensive
as perhaps an RHCE, but vendor agnostic is double-plus-good for me.


From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 17 12:27:05 2006
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:27:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
Message-ID: <45351269.10909@comcast.net>

I have the LPI Level I cert. Because there are fewer resources available
for Level II, and there is no recognized 'standard' training manual for
Level II, I am using RHCE training material to supplement my studies. I
have done quite a bit of comparison reading on various subjects.

I agree with what has been said about RHCE industry recognition. Many IT
managers have never heard of the LPI certification program even if they
consider themselves to be Linux experts.

On the other hand, I have found the LPI Level II training materials to
be better than the RHCE training materials in most cases. The RHCE
manuals are systematic in coverage but accept RH 'simplifications' --
GUI utilities and so on. I love Red Hat and have never worked with
anything but RH in any professional position, but I still find the LPI
training track to be more informative.

John Reese


From seehow at iphouse.com  Wed Oct 18 07:58:36 2006
From: seehow at iphouse.com (Christopher Howard)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:58:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Certification, is it worth anything?
In-Reply-To: <45351269.10909@comcast.net>
References: <45351269.10909@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1161176316.1174.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

There is also a level III being developed.  Over time LPI cert will
likely be more important.  


On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 12:27 -0500, John Reese wrote:
> I have the LPI Level I cert. Because there are fewer resources available
> for Level II, and there is no recognized 'standard' training manual for
> Level II, I am using RHCE training material to supplement my studies. I
> have done quite a bit of comparison reading on various subjects.
> 
> I agree with what has been said about RHCE industry recognition. Many IT
> managers have never heard of the LPI certification program even if they
> consider themselves to be Linux experts.
> 
> On the other hand, I have found the LPI Level II training materials to
> be better than the RHCE training materials in most cases. The RHCE
> manuals are systematic in coverage but accept RH 'simplifications' --
> GUI utilities and so on. I love Red Hat and have never worked with
> anything but RH in any professional position, but I still find the LPI
> training track to be more informative.
> 
> John Reese
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From ces.fci at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 08:31:34 2006
From: ces.fci at gmail.com (Clayton Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:31:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
Message-ID: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>

I've been trying to connect to a remote mysql server..

I have made sure skip-networking is commented out in the my.cnf

I have the iptables rule set correctly (I copy and pasted a rule that
the webhost is/was using for mysql dumps).
--------------------------------------------
-A newconnection -s x.x.x.x -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT
--------------------------------------------

It is being called like so:
--------------------------------------------
/usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql
--pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-locking --port=3306
--socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
--------------------------------------------

Here is the output when trying  to connect remotely using telnet from
3 different allowed locations(local shell, remote shell and another
remote shell):
--------------------------------------------
[webdev at local ~]$ telnet www.remote.com 3306
Trying xx.xx.xx.xx...
Connected to www.remote.com (xx.xx.xx.xx).
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
--------------------------------------------

Here is the output when trying  to connect locally using telnet (this
is assuming I've setup a user with the proper permissions):
--------------------------------------------
remote:~# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
7
4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2?YYcAY}*UOi,Connection closed by foreign host.
--------------------------------------------

Here is the output of netstat after trying to connect remotely using PHP:
--------------------------------------------
remote:~# netstat -an | grep 3306
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3306            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
tcp        0      0 local_ip:3306     remote_ip:13238      TIME_WAIT
--------------------------------------------

Here is the error on the PHP side I will get:
--------------------------------------------
Lost connection to MySQL server during query
--------------------------------------------

I also granted permissions like so:
--------------------------------------------
grant SELECT, DELETE, UPDATE on remote.* to 'remote'@'vpn.local.com'
identified by 'password'
--------------------------------------------

Here is the contents of /etc/mysql/my.cnf minus the comments:
--------------------------------------------
[client]
port        = 3306
socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

[mysqld_safe]
socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
nice        = -5

[mysqld]
user        = mysql
pid-file    = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
port        = 3306
basedir     = /usr
datadir     = /var/lib/mysql
tmpdir      = /tmp
language    = /usr/share/mysql/english
skip-external-locking
key_buffer      = 16M
max_allowed_packet  = 16M
thread_stack        = 128K
query_cache_limit   = 1048576
query_cache_size        = 26214400
query_cache_type        = 1
skip-innodb

[mysqldump]
quick
quote-names
max_allowed_packet  = 16M

[mysql]

[isamchk]
key_buffer      = 16M
--------------------------------------------

I've scoured the web.. and I'm at a loss.  I'm not a network guru but
this seems like it is more difficult then it needs to be...

The server does have a heartbeat channel setup using HA Linux but I
don't know if that would affect this at all.

Clayton


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed Oct 18 08:50:07 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:50:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180845120.15283@beer.tclug.org>

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Clayton Smith wrote:
> I've been trying to connect to a remote mysql server..

  Off-the-cuff thought: Might mysqld be using tcp_wrappers?  Try checking 
/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny?  I seem to recall checks against 
tcp_wrappers would behave as you're seeing (it connects, then drops the 
connection).

      Jima


From ces.fci at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 08:52:09 2006
From: ces.fci at gmail.com (Clayton Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f093e3600610180652r74dfddacncdb72840204a7fa1@mail.gmail.com>

actually.. I just figured it out.
I needed to add a line to /etc/hosts.allow.

On 10/18/06, Clayton Smith <ces.fci at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been trying to connect to a remote mysql server..
>
> I have made sure skip-networking is commented out in the my.cnf
>
> I have the iptables rule set correctly (I copy and pasted a rule that
> the webhost is/was using for mysql dumps).
> --------------------------------------------
> -A newconnection -s x.x.x.x -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT
> --------------------------------------------
>
> It is being called like so:
> --------------------------------------------
> /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql
> --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-locking --port=3306
> --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output when trying  to connect remotely using telnet from
> 3 different allowed locations(local shell, remote shell and another
> remote shell):
> --------------------------------------------
> [webdev at local ~]$ telnet www.remote.com 3306
> Trying xx.xx.xx.xx...
> Connected to www.remote.com (xx.xx.xx.xx).
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output when trying  to connect locally using telnet (this
> is assuming I've setup a user with the proper permissions):
> --------------------------------------------
> remote:~# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 7
> 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2?YYcAY}*UOi,Connection closed by foreign host.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output of netstat after trying to connect remotely using PHP:
> --------------------------------------------
> remote:~# netstat -an | grep 3306
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3306            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
> tcp        0      0 local_ip:3306     remote_ip:13238      TIME_WAIT
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the error on the PHP side I will get:
> --------------------------------------------
> Lost connection to MySQL server during query
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I also granted permissions like so:
> --------------------------------------------
> grant SELECT, DELETE, UPDATE on remote.* to 'remote'@'vpn.local.com'
> identified by 'password'
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the contents of /etc/mysql/my.cnf minus the comments:
> --------------------------------------------
> [client]
> port        = 3306
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
>
> [mysqld_safe]
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> nice        = -5
>
> [mysqld]
> user        = mysql
> pid-file    = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> port        = 3306
> basedir     = /usr
> datadir     = /var/lib/mysql
> tmpdir      = /tmp
> language    = /usr/share/mysql/english
> skip-external-locking
> key_buffer      = 16M
> max_allowed_packet  = 16M
> thread_stack        = 128K
> query_cache_limit   = 1048576
> query_cache_size        = 26214400
> query_cache_type        = 1
> skip-innodb
>
> [mysqldump]
> quick
> quote-names
> max_allowed_packet  = 16M
>
> [mysql]
>
> [isamchk]
> key_buffer      = 16M
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I've scoured the web.. and I'm at a loss.  I'm not a network guru but
> this seems like it is more difficult then it needs to be...
>
> The server does have a heartbeat channel setup using HA Linux but I
> don't know if that would affect this at all.
>
> Clayton
>


From ces.fci at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 08:53:41 2006
From: ces.fci at gmail.com (Clayton Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:53:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180845120.15283@beer.tclug.org>
References: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180845120.15283@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <f093e3600610180653r46128c54paa95fcc0bfdb186e@mail.gmail.com>

just noticed your reply(moments after I posted my response).  you got it.

Clayton

On 10/18/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Clayton Smith wrote:
> > I've been trying to connect to a remote mysql server..
>
>   Off-the-cuff thought: Might mysqld be using tcp_wrappers?  Try checking
> /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny?  I seem to recall checks against
> tcp_wrappers would behave as you're seeing (it connects, then drops the
> connection).
>
>       Jima
>


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed Oct 18 08:57:54 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:57:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600610180653r46128c54paa95fcc0bfdb186e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180845120.15283@beer.tclug.org>
	<f093e3600610180653r46128c54paa95fcc0bfdb186e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180855380.15283@beer.tclug.org>

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Clayton Smith wrote:
> just noticed your reply(moments after I posted my response).  you got it.

  Awesome.  tcp_wrappers is a bit antiquated; I honestly can't say I've 
used it in years, as firewalling tends to be a more direct way to restrict 
access to services.  I just recognized its signature "connect/drop" 
response.

      Jima


From brockn at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 17:07:52 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:07:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] trying to connect to mysql remotely
In-Reply-To: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f093e3600610180631m21bc09dfx8731dad51ccae3f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610181507m5a007433u5f2401e85db3900a@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried setting the bind-address directive in my.cnf?

Brock


On 10/18/06, Clayton Smith <ces.fci at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to connect to a remote mysql server..
>
> I have made sure skip-networking is commented out in the my.cnf
>
> I have the iptables rule set correctly (I copy and pasted a rule that
> the webhost is/was using for mysql dumps).
> --------------------------------------------
> -A newconnection -s x.x.x.x -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT
> --------------------------------------------
>
> It is being called like so:
> --------------------------------------------
> /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql
> --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-locking --port=3306
> --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output when trying  to connect remotely using telnet from
> 3 different allowed locations(local shell, remote shell and another
> remote shell):
> --------------------------------------------
> [webdev at local ~]$ telnet www.remote.com 3306
> Trying xx.xx.xx.xx...
> Connected to www.remote.com (xx.xx.xx.xx).
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output when trying  to connect locally using telnet (this
> is assuming I've setup a user with the proper permissions):
> --------------------------------------------
> remote:~# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 7
> 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2?YYcAY}*UOi,Connection closed by foreign host.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the output of netstat after trying to connect remotely using PHP:
> --------------------------------------------
> remote:~# netstat -an | grep 3306
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3306            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
> tcp        0      0 local_ip:3306     remote_ip:13238      TIME_WAIT
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the error on the PHP side I will get:
> --------------------------------------------
> Lost connection to MySQL server during query
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I also granted permissions like so:
> --------------------------------------------
> grant SELECT, DELETE, UPDATE on remote.* to 'remote'@'vpn.local.com'
> identified by 'password'
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Here is the contents of /etc/mysql/my.cnf minus the comments:
> --------------------------------------------
> [client]
> port        = 3306
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
>
> [mysqld_safe]
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> nice        = -5
>
> [mysqld]
> user        = mysql
> pid-file    = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
> socket      = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> port        = 3306
> basedir     = /usr
> datadir     = /var/lib/mysql
> tmpdir      = /tmp
> language    = /usr/share/mysql/english
> skip-external-locking
> key_buffer      = 16M
> max_allowed_packet  = 16M
> thread_stack        = 128K
> query_cache_limit   = 1048576
> query_cache_size        = 26214400
> query_cache_type        = 1
> skip-innodb
>
> [mysqldump]
> quick
> quote-names
> max_allowed_packet  = 16M
>
> [mysql]
>
> [isamchk]
> key_buffer      = 16M
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I've scoured the web.. and I'm at a loss.  I'm not a network guru but
> this seems like it is more difficult then it needs to be...
>
> The server does have a heartbeat channel setup using HA Linux but I
> don't know if that would affect this at all.
>
> Clayton
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 22:34:48 2006
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] module build error
In-Reply-To: <4534484D.8080207@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20061019033448.36972.qmail@web37213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

May want to look into rebuilding Module::Build and see
if you can enable C support.  I found this (below) at
this url:
http://www.forbiddenweb.org/viewtopic.php?id=123319

Damien




>Dear Users
>
>I work on debian testing with perl 5.8.8. If I try to
install the module
>Image::Imlib2 to install (perl -MCPAN -e shell /
install Image::Imlib2)
>then after a few downloads, I see this error-message:
>
>-- snip --
>
>Warning: this distribution contains XS files, but
Module::Build is not
>configured with C_support at
>/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Module/Build/Base.pm line
1128.
>Checking prerequisites...
>Looks good

I hit this before. You need to reinstall Module::Build
and build
it with C_support, so it can build xs files. IIRC it
will prompt you
for a y/n as you build it.




--- Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:

> What do I need to install, or enable to get past
> this error:
> 
> I am working with a Centos 4.3 server.
> 
> Module::Build is not configured with C_support at 
> /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/Module/Build/Base.pm
> line 3734.
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>   /usr/bin/make  -- NOT OK
> 
> 
> -- 
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> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
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> 
> 
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
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> 



From admin at lctn.org  Thu Oct 19 08:56:47 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:56:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] libapache2-mod-perl2-dev
Message-ID: <4537841F.502@lctn.org>

I need to install libapache2-mod-perl2-dev, but can only find .deb files 
of this. Is it known by another name, or included in something else?

Raymond

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From admin at lctn.org  Thu Oct 19 10:21:27 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:21:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] libapache2-mod-perl2-dev
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610191010040.15283@beer.tclug.org>
References: <4537841F.502@lctn.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610191010040.15283@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <453797F7.80006@lctn.org>

 >Care to specify your distribution?  Under Fedora, for instance, I 
believe the equivalent package >would be mod_perl-devel.  Some distros 
just have different naming conventions; that one looks >distinctly 
Debian-esque, which would explain the .debs.  What led you to search for 
that particular >package name?

I am doing a new install of WebGUI. Apache2::Request is needed, but 
erred out when it could not find the xbuilder directory. On a perl forum 
I was told that I needed to install libapache2-mod-perl2-dev. 
The answer was to install mod_perl-devel, as you said.

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From dan at dandrake.org  Thu Oct 19 10:51:24 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:51:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] how to associate an icon with a mime type in GNOME
	2.14?
Message-ID: <20061019155124.GA25731@dandrake.org>

I'd like to change the icon for Mathematica notebooks (.nb) from the
generic Gnome foot icon to something else. Does anyone know how to do
this? 

I figured out how to add the MIME type so that I can double click on the
file and get Mathematica to open that file, but I don't see how to
change the icon. Other MIME types have their own icons, but searching
around I didn't find out how those icons are specified.

I should mention that this is a Fedora Core 5 system, and I don't have
any root access.

Suggestions? Thanks.

Dan

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Oct 19 22:22:46 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:22:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610200322.k9K3Mks32301@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Printer for Sale

HP 722c DeskJet for $20. I just replaced the colour cartridge hence the $20, however; it seems not to want to print anymore. I'm sure that it will still work for someone who wants to invest a short amount of time. I've already upgraded to a multi function device and don't want to invest anymore in this printer.
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Seller Email address: tex at nerp dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From admin at lctn.org  Mon Oct 23 12:57:54 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] temporary fix
Message-ID: <1161626274.4593.16.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

Sorry if this came through a second time for anyone. I did not see a
confirmation come in that this message was received after my first post,
early this morning.


I have a small web server that is acting up, gobbling up all the ram, 
and swap space in the course of the day. If I reboot it,  things work 
great for most of a day. I am working on replacing it, since I think 
that will take less time than troubleshooting the box. I set apache to 
require a pass phrase on a restart, which means I must manually reboot 
the box when needed. Is there a file I can edit to eliminate this, or
do 
I need to recreate the secure keys and certificate.

Raymond



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From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Oct 23 14:13:25 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:13:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] temporary fix
In-Reply-To: <1161626274.4593.16.camel@project-1.tamray.com> 
References: <1161626274.4593.16.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20061023191325.C80981F2F@skuld.wookimus.net>

Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org>  wrote:
> I have a small web server that is acting up, gobbling up all the
> ram, and swap space in the course of the day. If I reboot it, things
> work great for most of a day. I am working on replacing it, since I
> think that will take less time than troubleshooting the box.

Probably not the best approach to debugging.  Memory leaks are often a
problem with software bugs.  My suggestion to you is to shut down all
services that you don't need or use.  Then use valgrind to start
profiling applications that you suspect may have memory leaks.  It
sounds like I would concentrate on long-running daemon applications,
perhaps Apache to start with.

> I set apache to require a pass phrase on a restart, which means I
> must manually reboot the box when needed. Is there a file I can edit
> to eliminate this, or do I need to recreate the secure keys and
> certificate.

You can use the OpenSSL tools to read and remove the encryption.

	$ openssl rsa -in ENCRYPTEDKEY -out DECRYPTEDKEY

-- 
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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From florin at iucha.net  Mon Oct 23 14:53:57 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:53:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] temporary fix
In-Reply-To: <1161626274.4593.16.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1161626274.4593.16.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20061023195357.GF9604@iucha.net>

On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 12:57:54PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I have a small web server that is acting up, gobbling up all the ram, 
> and swap space in the course of the day. If I reboot it,  things work 
> great for most of a day.

If you suspect Apache (actually one of its modules) is leaking memory,
one thing you could try is to use the prefork module and limit the
requests per child to 50 or 100 and see if that improves the
situation.

florin

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From sraun at fireopal.org  Tue Oct 24 05:40:13 2006
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:40:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Knowledge pointer?
Message-ID: <20061024104013.GA2901@fireopal.org>

I'm running exim, and have discovered a need to be able to
automagically delete the frozen messages from my outbound queue.  I
went through the exim man page the other day, and couldn't find a way
to identify the currently frozen messages.

Anyone have a suggestion for what / where I should look?  I'm
currently running Debian Stable.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Oct 24 09:27:39 2006
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:27:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Knowledge pointer?
In-Reply-To: <20061024104013.GA2901@fireopal.org>
References: <20061024104013.GA2901@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20061024142739.GC15968@genma.sherohman.org>

On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 05:40:13AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote:
> I'm running exim, and have discovered a need to be able to
> automagically delete the frozen messages from my outbound queue.  I
> went through the exim man page the other day, and couldn't find a way
> to identify the currently frozen messages.
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion for what / where I should look?  I'm
> currently running Debian Stable.

I've solved this by placing the following script in /etc/cron.daily/:

--- cut here ---
#!/bin/sh

# Quick script to discard all messages which have been frozen long enough
# that their age is listed in days (3 days appears to be the breakpoint)

exim -Mrm `exim -bp | grep "^..d.*frozen" | cut -c 11-26` &>/dev/null
exit 0

--- cut here ---

There may be other officially-endorsed methods in exim4, but I set this
up a few years back and it's worked so well, I haven't had any reason to
look for another way of doing it.

-- 
I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty
than those attending too small degree of it.
  - Thomas Jefferson


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 10:59:17 2006
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:59:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on a Core 2 Duo desktop? [update]
Message-ID: <d9a50e890610240859q78ec055fh20016d666554b790@mail.gmail.com>

I just thought I'd send a quick update on my adventures with linux on
a core 2 duo.  I'm now happily running fedora core 6 (released today).
 After enabling AHCI mode for SATA, the install went as expected (with
network support and "desktop effects," no less).  Thanks again for the
help!

sm


On 10/12/06, Adam <adam at askewview.net> wrote:
> Sam,
> I wish you good luck. I've got a few new Core 2 Duo systems at work and
> am having issues as well. Our imaging tool which uses Linux will not see
> the cdrom drive and also does not see the RAID1 mirror I have the drives
> in. I'm hoping that the ICH8 chipset will be better supported in 2.6.19.
>
> -Adam
>
> Sam Martin wrote:
> > I had the good fortune of getting a new Core 2 Duo desktop machine at
> > work, but I've had no luck so far getting Linux installed on the
> > beast.  Has anyone figured out a relatively painless way to get a
> > stable desktop Linux distro (i.e., release candidate or better)
> > installed on one of these systems?
> >
> >>From the posted specs for this system (I know pretty much nothing
> > about the current crop of desktops...  all my home Linux boxes are
> > Pentium I - III machines):
> > <quote>
> > Intel(r) Core?2 Duo E6400
> > Intel(r) Q965 Chipset with DDR2 and Intel(r) Core? Duo support
> > </quote>
> >
> > I didn't have any luck installing Ubuntu 6.06.1, and from what I've
> > found via Google, it seems that I'm pretty much outta luck until
> > kernel 2.6.18 makes its way into a mainstream distro.  I'd really
> > rather not be stuck with windoze for the next couple months until that
> > happens.  Any ideas?  At any rate, I can't spend too much time trying
> > to get my OS of choice up and running, since I kinda sorta have work
> > to do.
> >
> > It's a bit off-topic, but if I *do* end up having to live with windows
> > for a while, does anyone have any good tips for coping with a Windows
> > desktop?  I found a decent virtual desktop pager, but I still miss my
> > middle-click-to-paste, changing window stacking via the mouse (e.g.,
> > middle-click the title bar of a window in pretty much any window
> > manager to move it below other windows), etc.
> >
> >
> > sm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 24 15:28:14 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:28:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
Message-ID: <004001c6f7aa$f2333120$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

Hi All,

 

I just reinstalled Fedora 5 (no GUI, and did a 206 MB yum update) on a box I
use with two NICs for my home network gateway and firewall. The eth0 NIC is
connected to a DSL modem and the eth1 NIC goes to a switch for the LAN. DHCP
is running the FC5 box for the LAN and seems to be working fine. I use
iptables for the firewall and I copied the same set of rules from the Fedora
3 Bible except for the TCP rules for allowing access to web and ftp stuff.
(I don't have anything running that needs to be accessed from outside.) 

 

DNS, however, is not being very friendly. I can ping ip addresses but not
domains from a command line on an XP box inside the LAN. Email seems to be
coming and going somewhat OK. But websites won't come up in the browser. I'm
fairly certain the problem is my DNS setup. nslookup on the XP box returns
"can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1" I can't get the zone file
updates from the W2K3 domain controller which was working just fine before.
I sure I set up the named.conf and created the zone file for my domain just
like before. (I reinstalled in the first place because the linux box locked
up and wouldn't reboot for anything. Hardware problem, I expect.) I also had
the linux box looking first at its own DNS before going out to the web so I
could browse sites on my development server on the LAN. My LANs domain name
is not a registered name but exists just for me inside my LAN.

 

Can anyone offer some typical gotchas or often overlooked setup details that
I probably missed that would likely cause these symptoms? I've been reading
HOW-TOs for a week and I'm just burnt out it.           -- THANKS, John

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From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com  Tue Oct 24 15:41:57 2006
From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:41:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <004001c6f7aa$f2333120$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <C3D9EE274D1F3A4EB9AA0488B6C99FC404991CA4@lynms601.global.ad.toro.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> 
> DNS, however, is not being very friendly. I can ping ip 
> addresses but not domains from a command line on an XP box 
> inside the LAN. Email seems to be coming and going somewhat 
> OK. But websites won't come up in the browser. I'm fairly 

Just a hunch, but did you set up the DNS Server variable in
Your DHCP configuration?

Bruce


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 24 17:03:41 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:03:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FW:  BIND 9
Message-ID: <004f01c6f7b8$47eceb30$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; in dhcpd.conf? yup

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Broecker
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:42 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] BIND 9

 

> -----Original Message-----
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> 
> DNS, however, is not being very friendly. I can ping ip 
> addresses but not domains from a command line on an XP box 
> inside the LAN. Email seems to be coming and going somewhat 
> OK. But websites won't come up in the browser. I'm fairly 

Just a hunch, but did you set up the DNS Server variable in
Your DHCP configuration?

Bruce

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 25 08:47:54 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:47:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <004001c6f7aa$f2333120$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <002701c6f83c$2f377e50$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

Quick follow up. I changed the forwarders that I was using in the named.conf
file and domain names seem to be resolving OK now. But I'm still not getting
an answer for my local domain pinging from the XP workstation. How do I get
the linux box to first look at its own DNS? If I ping www.mydomain.com
<http://www.mydomain.com/>  from the workstation I just get 'could not find
host'. If I ping from Linux box then I get the ip address back for the real
registered domain. The zone is correctly entered in named.conf and the zone
file is correctly set up. I've checked them both over twenty times at least.
There is obviously some other setting I've missed. Any help?

(ipconfig on XP shows 192.168.0.1 as DNS Server and Gateway)

 

  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Sanborn
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:28 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9

 

Hi All,

 

I just reinstalled Fedora 5 (no GUI, and did a 206 MB yum update) on a box I
use with two NICs for my home network gateway and firewall. The eth0 NIC is
connected to a DSL modem and the eth1 NIC goes to a switch for the LAN. DHCP
is running the FC5 box for the LAN and seems to be working fine. I use
iptables for the firewall and I copied the same set of rules from the Fedora
3 Bible except for the TCP rules for allowing access to web and ftp stuff.
(I don't have anything running that needs to be accessed from outside.) 

 

DNS, however, is not being very friendly. I can ping ip addresses but not
domains from a command line on an XP box inside the LAN. Email seems to be
coming and going somewhat OK. But websites won't come up in the browser. I'm
fairly certain the problem is my DNS setup. nslookup on the XP box returns
"can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1" I can't get the zone file
updates from the W2K3 domain controller which was working just fine before.
I sure I set up the named.conf and created the zone file for my domain just
like before. (I reinstalled in the first place because the linux box locked
up and wouldn't reboot for anything. Hardware problem, I expect.) I also had
the linux box looking first at its own DNS before going out to the web so I
could browse sites on my development server on the LAN. My LANs domain name
is not a registered name but exists just for me inside my LAN.

 

Can anyone offer some typical gotchas or often overlooked setup details that
I probably missed that would likely cause these symptoms? I've been reading
HOW-TOs for a week and I'm just burnt out it.           -- THANKS, John

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Oct 25 09:17:35 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:17:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <002701c6f83c$2f377e50$0e00a8c0@arda.com> 
References: <002701c6f83c$2f377e50$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <20061025141735.603C21D8A@skuld.wookimus.net>

> Quick follow up. I changed the forwarders that I was using in the
> named.conf file and domain names seem to be resolving OK now.

Good.

> But I'm still not getting an answer for my local domain pinging from
> the XP workstation. How do I get the linux box to first look at its
> own DNS?

/etc/resolv.conf should have "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in it as the fist
nameserver.  Also make sure bind is answering on 127.0.0.1.  You can
also make sure no one queries your name server unless you allow it by
adding something like this to your /etc/bind/named.conf file:

	allow-query {
		192.168.0.0/24;
		127.0.0.1/32;
	};

Make sure you're not firewalling off DNS on the linux box from the
internal network, too.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Wed Oct 25 11:41:32 2006
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:41:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Open Licenses lunch presentation?
Message-ID: <453F93BC.4040907@greatlakedata.com>

hi folks,

i want to invite someone over for a lunch presentation who can speak 
with eloquence, candor, and warmth regarding why Open Licenses should be 
an ethical issue of interest to staff here at Nonviolent Peaceforce.  
who can y'all recommend?

tia,
greg

Greg Whitley_Mott
IT Coordinator
NonviolentPeaceforce.org



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed Oct 25 12:36:20 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:36:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Open Licenses lunch presentation?
In-Reply-To: <453F93BC.4040907@greatlakedata.com>
References: <453F93BC.4040907@greatlakedata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610251233320.29153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, greg wm wrote:

> i want to invite someone over for a lunch presentation who can speak
> with eloquence, candor, and warmth regarding why Open Licenses should be
> an ethical issue of interest to staff here at Nonviolent Peaceforce.
> who can y'all recommend?

When and where?
You want a pro-bono (free) speaker, right?

Mike


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 25 13:04:12 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:04:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061025141735.603C21D8A@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <001901c6f85f$fd6d7b30$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

I added the allow-query statement to the options section at the top of
named.conf and restarted DNS but no change. I also changed the
/ect/resolv.conf file, however; how do you keep dhcp from changing it when
it gets eth0 ip information from the dsl modem?

I'm pretty sure the firewall isn't blocking anything because I copied all
the same iptables rules from the Fedora Core 3 Bible and that set of rules
just sets up masquerade for the LAN, blocks everything from outside but web
and ftp, etc (which I didn't allow from outside), but all the traffic inside
the LAN is allowed. So anything at all should be able to pass between two
LAN ips.

(any more thoughts?)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-
> linux.org] On Behalf Of Chad Walstrom
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:18 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] BIND 9
> 
> > Quick follow up. I changed the forwarders that I was using in the
> > named.conf file and domain names seem to be resolving OK now.
> 
> Good.
> 
> > But I'm still not getting an answer for my local domain pinging from
> > the XP workstation. How do I get the linux box to first look at its
> > own DNS?
> 
> /etc/resolv.conf should have "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in it as the fist
> nameserver.  Also make sure bind is answering on 127.0.0.1.  You can
> also make sure no one queries your name server unless you allow it by
> adding something like this to your /etc/bind/named.conf file:
> 
> 	allow-query {
> 		192.168.0.0/24;
> 		127.0.0.1/32;
> 	};
> 
> Make sure you're not firewalling off DNS on the linux box from the
> internal network, too.
> 
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Oct 25 13:58:05 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:58:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <001901c6f85f$fd6d7b30$0e00a8c0@arda.com> 
References: <001901c6f85f$fd6d7b30$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <20061025185805.263211DA3@skuld.wookimus.net>

"John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net>  wrote:
> I added the allow-query statement to the options section at the top
> of named.conf and restarted DNS but no change. I also changed the
> /ect/resolv.conf file, however; how do you keep dhcp from changing
> it when it gets eth0 ip information from the dsl modem?

That depends upon which distro you're using.  In Debian (and possibly
Fedora), there is a configuration file called /etc/network/interfaces
used by the "ifupdown" package.  This can work in concert with the
"resolvconf" to provide "dns-" options for the interface, though there
may be better ways to do this.  You could make the /etc/resov.conf
file immutable and only rely upon the local bind server for name
resolution.  "chattr +i FILE" I believe.

> I'm pretty sure the firewall isn't blocking anything because I
> copied all the same iptables rules from the Fedora Core 3 Bible and
> that set of rules just sets up masquerade for the LAN, blocks
> everything from outside but web and ftp, etc (which I didn't allow
> from outside), but all the traffic inside the LAN is allowed. So
> anything at all should be able to pass between two LAN ips.
> (any more thoughts?)

Add a logging rule just before dropping packets for a given chain.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Wed Oct 25 15:25:38 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:25:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <001901c6f85f$fd6d7b30$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
References: <001901c6f85f$fd6d7b30$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <200610251525.39165.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:04, "John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net> 
sent a missive stating: 
> I added the allow-query statement to the options section at the top of
> named.conf and restarted DNS but no change. I also changed the
> /ect/resolv.conf file, however; how do you keep dhcp from changing it when
> it gets eth0 ip information from the dsl modem?

There is normally an option you can pass to the DHCP client to have it ignore 
and not modify the resolve.conf. Depending on the distro, that's somewhere 
in /etc/  :)  

Check the client man page (usually dhclient or something similar) and then 
track down the init.d script or script config file and add that value to it.


Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 25 16:32:46 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:32:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061025185805.263211DA3@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <000501c6f87d$2027fd90$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

I followed the recommendations outlined here:
http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugbasicnet.html for
network setup and also for the DNS setup. Everything seems to be in order
but the DNS server is just not answering anything on the network.

In Fedora 5 the network config files are
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx (x is the interface number) I set
PEERDNS=no and that prevents dhcp from changing the resolv.conf file. So
that question is solved. However, DNS still is not answering on my network.

> 
> Add a logging rule just before dropping packets for a given chain.
> 
The policy is initially set to DROP, so I don't really know how I'd do that.
The firewall setup is pretty simple. There are a few INPUT rules that allow
anything on eth1 and loopback and anything on eth0 where state is
ESTABLISHED,RELATED. A FORWARD rule to pass along anything from eth1 and
anything ESTABLISHED,RELATED. A few OUTPUT rules for the loopback and local
interface ips. And lastly a POSTROUTING in the nat table for MASQUERADE.
That's it. (I could post the whole set of rules if it would be helpful.)

The initial policy is set to DROP. So I don't really know how to put
anything ahead of that.

btw - I'm using Fedora Core 5 (runlevel 3 - no GUI installed)



From chewie at wookimus.net  Wed Oct 25 16:47:08 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:47:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <003001c6f879$8ebf49b0$0e00a8c0@arda.com> 
References: <003001c6f879$8ebf49b0$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <20061025214708.468821D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>

> > Add a logging rule just before dropping packets for a given chain.

# append new rule to end of INPUT chain before DROP policy catches it
# See also: iptables(8)
iptables -A INPUT -j LOG  --prefix Dropping -m limit --limit 10/second
iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG  --prefix Dropping -m limit --limit 10/second
iptables -A OUTPUT -j LOG  --prefix Dropping -m limit --limit 10/second

Essentially, you can add a log rule right before any of your accept
rules as well.  Instead of using -j ACCEPT, you use -j LOG.

If you don't want to screw with your firewall, I suggest you install
wireshark or tcpdump and watch your eth1 interface for DNS requests,
just to make sure they're coming in.

You could also create a rule that counts request for DNS entries on
the eth1 interface.

iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j LOG -p tcp --dport 53 -m limit --limit 10/sec
iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT -p udp --dport 53
iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j LOG -p udp --dport 53 -m limit --limit 10/sec
iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 53

Maybe create a chain for logging ACCEPT or DROP.

iptables -N LogAccept
iptables -A LogAccept -j LOG --prefix Accepting -m limit --limit 10/second
iptables -A LogAccept -j ACCEPT

iptables -N LogDrop
iptables -A LogDrop -j LOG --prefix Dropping -m limit --limit 10/second
iptables -A LogDrop -j DROP

Create one for DNS
iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j LogAccept -p tcp --dport 53
iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j LogAccept -p udp --dport 53

# And the last rule...
iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j LogDrop

Enjoy!
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Wed Oct 25 20:18:52 2006
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:18:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Open Licenses lunch presentation?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610251233320.29153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <453F93BC.4040907@greatlakedata.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610251233320.29153@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <45400CFC.9020308@greatlakedata.com>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, greg wm wrote:
>> i want to invite someone over for a lunch presentation who can speak
>> with eloquence, candor, and warmth regarding why Open Licenses should be
>> an ethical issue of interest to staff here at Nonviolent Peaceforce.
>> who can y'all recommend?
> 
> When and where?

to be arranged, our loring park office

> You want a pro-bono (free) speaker, right?

yup.

Greg Whitley_Mott
IT Coordinator
NonviolentPeaceforce.org


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Oct 26 01:27:34 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:27:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet 
service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to 
happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these 
results...

Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

...from Speakeasy:

http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

I chose Chicago as the server.

Mike


From brockn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 01:53:12 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:53:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610252353j3294eedbs27acf55c26a982cc@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, they did not even tell you? I wonder if mine has switched as
well... That might explain why I had to power cycle my modem this morning.

Brock

On 10/26/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these
> results...
>
> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
>
> ...from Speakeasy:
>
> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>
> I chose Chicago as the server.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From danbsmith at comcast.net  Thu Oct 26 01:59:29 2006
From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:59:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
Message-ID: <45405CD1.5050109@comcast.net>

Mike,

Comcast bought out Timewarner whom I assuming who your internet/cable 
are through.  It was a matter of time, Timewarner owed the city of 
Minneapolis some money from what I remember hearing about the change. 

Dan


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Thu Oct 26 02:14:22 2006
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:14:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610252353j3294eedbs27acf55c26a982cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<741dcbb80610252353j3294eedbs27acf55c26a982cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38701.75.72.250.99.1161846862.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

Mine switched at that same time (at 1:50AM Wed morning), from a bloc owned
by Time Warner to a bloc owned by Comcast.  That site recorded 18082kbps
down and 354kbps up - so either I'm just lucky or there's some transparent
proxying going on :)

-dave


On Thu, October 26, 2006 1:53 am, Brock Noland wrote:
> Interesting, they did not even tell you? I wonder if mine has switched as
> well... That might explain why I had to power cycle my modem this morning.
>
> Brock
>
> On 10/26/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>>
>> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
>> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
>> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these
>> results...
>>
>> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
>> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
>>
>> ...from Speakeasy:
>>
>> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>>
>> I chose Chicago as the server.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David Carlson
thecubic at thecubic.net


From john.meier at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 02:33:06 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:33:06 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <38701.75.72.250.99.1161846862.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<741dcbb80610252353j3294eedbs27acf55c26a982cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<38701.75.72.250.99.1161846862.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0610260033m50a526ebn8f9ccdbd9d330fd9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/06, David Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net> wrote:
>
> Mine switched at that same time (at 1:50AM Wed morning), from a bloc owned
> by Time Warner to a bloc owned by Comcast.  That site recorded 18082kbps
> down and 354kbps up - so either I'm just lucky or there's some transparent
> proxying going on :)
>
> -dave


yup me too...
Download Speed: *17492* kbps (2186.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: *354* kbps (44.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

On Thu, October 26, 2006 1:53 am, Brock Noland wrote:
> > Interesting, they did not even tell you? I wonder if mine has switched
> as
> > well... That might explain why I had to power cycle my modem this
> morning.
> >
> > Brock
> >
> > On 10/26/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> >> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> >> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these
> >> results...
> >>



I got a letter in the mail a month or so ago.   Already got a Comcast bill.
Don't forget to change you account numbers if you do online banking! :)

>> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
> >> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
> >>
> >> ...from Speakeasy:
> >>
> >> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
>
>
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Oct 26 08:43:37 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:43:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mike Miller wrote:
> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> happen.

  Yeah, it's happening.  Of the people I know, three got switched early 
Tuesday morning, two got switched Wednesday morning, and one got switched 
this morning.  I could be mistaken, but I think they're pretty much done 
(or at least, I'm not seeing any of my associates or equipment on Road 
Runner IPs anymore).
  I'll be interested to see what happens to business class connections.

      Jima


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 09:00:02 2006
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:00:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <914f813c0610260700l78b5f4c2ibe1776c28dc94265@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these
> results...

Notice was sent out a few weeks ago, once or twice. I almost tossed it
as junk mail though.

> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

I got about 3500 kbps.

> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

About the same.


From brockn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 09:02:28 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:02:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like they did switch me. However, they appear to have screwed up
reverse DNS. Does your comcast IP's reverse lookup work?

Brock

On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mike Miller wrote:
> > During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> > service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> > happen.
>
>   Yeah, it's happening.  Of the people I know, three got switched early
> Tuesday morning, two got switched Wednesday morning, and one got switched
> this morning.  I could be mistaken, but I think they're pretty much done
> (or at least, I'm not seeing any of my associates or equipment on Road
> Runner IPs anymore).
>   I'll be interested to see what happens to business class connections.
>
>       Jima
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Oct 26 09:09:43 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:09:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061026110938.GA13786@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> 
References: <003001c6f879$8ebf49b0$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
	<20061025214708.468821D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<20061026110938.GA13786@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20061026140943.C6D591E32@skuld.wookimus.net>

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 04:47:08PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > 
> > You could also create a rule that counts request for DNS entries on
> > the eth1 interface.
> > 
> > iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j LOG -p tcp --dport 53 -m limit --limit 10/sec
> > iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT -p udp --dport 53
> > iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j LOG -p udp --dport 53 -m limit --limit 10/sec
> > iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 53
> 
> [Aren't the ACCEPTS reversed above? tcp when it should be udp, and
> vice-versa.]

Transcription error.  It wasn't meant as a recipe, rather as an idea
generator.  Have fun.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Oct 26 09:10:56 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:10:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>
	<741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260904010.2481@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Brock Noland wrote:
> Looks like they did switch me. However, they appear to have screwed up
> reverse DNS. Does your comcast IP's reverse lookup work?

  In all cases, they got switched to either the 75.72.0.0/15 block, or the 
76.17.128.0/17 block, both of which seem to be new, and no, do not yet 
have reverse DNS.

      Jima


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 26 09:25:10 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:25:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061025214708.468821D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6f90a$8e617a60$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

OK, I put a LOG rule at the top of the input chain. It shows that a request
was made, source and dest ip, port, but no information that looks like an
indication of an error.

I notice that doing an nslookup for my local domain returns "Can't find
server name for address 192.168.0.1" (Does this not strike a cord with
anybody?)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie at wookimus.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:47 PM
> To: John Sanborn
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] BIND 9
> 
> > > Add a logging rule just before dropping packets for a given chain.
> 
> # append new rule to end of INPUT chain before DROP policy catches it
assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From srcfoo at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 09:28:54 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:28:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260904010.2481@beer.tclug.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>
	<741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260904010.2481@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30610260728y43d3e0c0rd21b58c3808144d@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to find this on their site, but I became too frustrated.

Does anyone know what they charge for a static IP? Can you get just
one on a residential line or do you need to upgrade to business class
and pay for a block?

Thanks,
Eric

On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Brock Noland wrote:
> > Looks like they did switch me. However, they appear to have screwed up
> > reverse DNS. Does your comcast IP's reverse lookup work?
>
>   In all cases, they got switched to either the 75.72.0.0/15 block, or the
> 76.17.128.0/17 block, both of which seem to be new, and no, do not yet
> have reverse DNS.
>
>       Jima
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Oct 26 09:42:39 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:42:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <000601c6f90a$8e617a60$0e00a8c0@arda.com> 
References: <000601c6f90a$8e617a60$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <20061026144239.E19D820C0@skuld.wookimus.net>

"John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net>  wrote:
> I notice that doing an nslookup for my local domain returns "Can't
> find server name for address 192.168.0.1" (Does this not strike a
> cord with anybody?)

Did you create a PTR record for 192.168.0.1 in the
0.168.192.in-addr.arpa zone?
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From dan at dandrake.org  Thu Oct 26 09:55:04 2006
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:55:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20061026145504.GB11126@dandrake.org>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 at 01:27AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet 
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to 
> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these 
> results...

I got a number of letters about the switch. It happened at the same time
for me.

I'm a bit worried. Time Warner's service never went down, was quite
fast, my IP stayed the same for months, and the price never went up. I'm
nervous that Comcast won't provide the same level of service.

So far, so good, though. I didn't have to power cycle my modem or
anything.

Dan

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From rwh at visi.com  Thu Oct 26 10:01:23 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (rwh)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:01:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4540CDC3.9030509@visi.com>

When Comcast and TW bought out Adelphia they agreed to swap some local
service areas to align their various holdings. The Minneapolis TW
service area was one that TW gave to Comcast.

--rick

Mike Miller wrote:
> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet 
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to 
> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these 
> results...
> 
> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
> 
> ...from Speakeasy:
> 
> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
> 
> I chose Chicago as the server.
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Oct 26 10:26:39 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:26:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30610260728y43d3e0c0rd21b58c3808144d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org> 
	<741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260904010.2481@beer.tclug.org>
	<579c6fd30610260728y43d3e0c0rd21b58c3808144d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610261017090.2481@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Eric Peterson wrote:
> I tried to find this on their site, but I became too frustrated.

  You should have looked at their business offerings; it's sort of easy to 
find there (although without actual, well, pricing).

> Does anyone know what they charge for a static IP? Can you get just
> one on a residential line or do you need to upgrade to business class
> and pay for a block?

  I strongly suspect that they won't offer static IPs without a business 
class account.  There are the links for the two business packages they 
seem to offer:

http://www.comcast.com/business/Availability.ashx?service=Workplace%20Standard%20(Static%20RIP)

http://www.comcast.com/business/Availability.ashx?service=Workplace%20-%20Enhanced%20(Static%20RIP)

  (Those URLs are kinda gross.)
  I've also heard there's a 4m/384k option, but they don't offer static IPs 
with it.
  So, 1 or 5 static IPs.  I know RR does (or did) offer 1 for $5/mo, 5 for 
$10/mo, and 13 for $30/mo (with business-class service, anyway), but I'm 
not sure those options/pricing are still available.  Maybe if you're in a 
former TWC area.

      Jima


From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Thu Oct 26 10:31:50 2006
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:31:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] utf, procmail, mutt, fc5
Message-ID: <20061026153150.GB23977@newsteve.worldcycling.com>

hi all,

Occasionally I get unreadable emails from a friend who works at 3M. Here are some possibly relevant headers from such an email:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 192.28.4.40
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by myhost.worldcycling.com id k9JIJJYs006908

I am running mutt 1.5.12 compiled from source, ncurses 5.5-19, procmail 3.22-16.2.1.

All my locale variables are set to en_US.UTF-8.

The emails have just one MIME part; the headers are legible, the content is illegible...just some apparently random characters.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Steve
-- 
Steve Linabery
B94B C3C7 8A27 FF09 3C9D  E992 5A20 2492 D5F5 EE51


From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 26 10:45:29 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:45:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061026144239.E19D820C0@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c6f915$c6ba85e0$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

PTR record was missing. I added zone to named.conf and added zone file. No
change. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie at wookimus.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:43 AM
> To: John Sanborn
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] BIND 9
> 
> "John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net>  wrote:
> > I notice that doing an nslookup for my local domain returns "Can't
> > find server name for address 192.168.0.1" (Does this not strike a
> > cord with anybody?)
> 
> Did you create a PTR record for 192.168.0.1 in the
> 0.168.192.in-addr.arpa zone?
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From john.meier at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 11:03:43 2006
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:03:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610261017090.2481@beer.tclug.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610260832390.2481@beer.tclug.org>
	<741dcbb80610260702y635cd1fav82d97f45716c171b@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Eric Peterson wrote:


.
.


 There are the links for the two business packages they
> seem to offer:
>
>
> http://www.comcast.com/business/Availability.ashx?service=Workplace%20Standard%20(Static%20RIP)
>
>
> http://www.comcast.com/business/Availability.ashx?service=Workplace%20-%20Enhanced%20(Static%20RIP)
>
>   (Those URLs are kinda gross.)


Holy crap - that's the understatment of the year... MY EYES!!  MY EYES....
AHHHHH!
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From threetorts at speedymail.org  Thu Oct 26 11:02:26 2006
From: threetorts at speedymail.org (Joel D Couenhoven)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:02:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1161878546.15872.274294122@webmail.messagingengine.com>

> During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet 
> service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to 
> happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these 
> results...
> 
> Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
> Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
> 
> ...from Speakeasy:
> 
> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
> 
> I chose Chicago as the server.
> 
> Mike
> 


Speaking of which I had TW and was switched to Comcast and I now have
issues with Linux.  I can get online fine but I cannot update either
Fedora Core 5 or Ubuntu 6.06, which I could do before the switch ISPs. 
I also cannot ssh to the U of M campus anymore which makes work a pain
because I have to be on campus all time.  I emailed NORLUG about the
issues because I just moved to the cities from Northfield, but seeing as
how there is discussion here about it I thought I would post it on tclug
as well.
Thanks ahead of time for any help.

Joel
--

threetorts at speedymail.org


From brockn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 11:29:33 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <1161878546.15872.274294122@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1161878546.15872.274294122@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80610260929w5f8035aapba0a54325b7b5fb2@mail.gmail.com>

"I also cannot ssh to the U of M campus anymore which makes work a pain
because I have to be on campus all time."

I bet this is because of the reverse DNS problems with the new ip addresses
comcast assigned. I had to work around this also.

Brock

On 10/26/06, Joel D Couenhoven <threetorts at speedymail.org> wrote:
>
> > During the middle of the night last night (Tuesday night), my internet
> > service was switched to Comcast.  I didn't know that was supposed to
> > happen.  My download speed might have increased a bit.  Now I get these
> > results...
> >
> > Download Speed: 6222 kbps (777.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
> > Upload Speed: 353 kbps (44.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
> >
> > ...from Speakeasy:
> >
> > http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
> >
> > I chose Chicago as the server.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>
> Speaking of which I had TW and was switched to Comcast and I now have
> issues with Linux.  I can get online fine but I cannot update either
> Fedora Core 5 or Ubuntu 6.06, which I could do before the switch ISPs.
> I also cannot ssh to the U of M campus anymore which makes work a pain
> because I have to be on campus all time.  I emailed NORLUG about the
> issues because I just moved to the cities from Northfield, but seeing as
> how there is discussion here about it I thought I would post it on tclug
> as well.
> Thanks ahead of time for any help.
>
> Joel
> --
>
> threetorts at speedymail.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Oct 26 11:53:12 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:53:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6f915$c6ba85e0$0e00a8c0@arda.com> 
References: <000e01c6f915$c6ba85e0$0e00a8c0@arda.com>
Message-ID: <20061026165312.E6E841FD7@skuld.wookimus.net>

"John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net>  wrote:
> PTR record was missing. I added zone to named.conf and added zone
> file. No change. 

Is named even listening to the eth1 interface?  Try typing "netstat -a
-n | grep -i listen" and look for ":53".  Note which IP addresses this
suffix follows.  Is named logging any query attempts?
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 26 12:48:29 2006
From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:48:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] BIND 9
In-Reply-To: <20061026165312.E6E841FD7@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c6f926$f5e31010$0e00a8c0@arda.com>

I see 127.0.0.1 and both NIC ips on port 53.

If I ping the linux server name (from the workstation) and then go look at
the end of /var/log/messages, I don't see any entries for dns activity. (I
hope that answers your last question.)

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie at wookimus.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: John Sanborn
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] BIND 9
> 
> "John Sanborn" <jsanborn at earthlink.net>  wrote:
> > PTR record was missing. I added zone to named.conf and added zone
> > file. No change.
> 
> Is named even listening to the eth1 interface?  Try typing "netstat -a
> -n | grep -i listen" and look for ":53".  Note which IP addresses this
> suffix follows.  Is named logging any query attempts?
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From threetorts at speedymail.org  Thu Oct 26 19:19:54 2006
From: threetorts at speedymail.org (Joel D Couenhoven)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:19:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Road Runner switched to Comcast
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610260929w5f8035aapba0a54325b7b5fb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610260113290.19514@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<1161878546.15872.274294122@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<741dcbb80610260929w5f8035aapba0a54325b7b5fb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1161908394.31761.274330911@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:33 -0500, "Brock Noland" <brockn at gmail.com>
said:
> "I also cannot ssh to the U of M campus anymore which makes work a pain
> because I have to be on campus all time."
> 
> I bet this is because of the reverse DNS problems with the new ip
> addresses
> comcast assigned. I had to work around this also.
> 
> Brock
> 

Thanks for the info, I think that is the problem.
I found out that the repos for Fedora core 5 changed so that will take
care of that issue.

Joel
--

threetorts at speedymail.org



From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 19:57:24 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>

i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and it
gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that but
even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been trying
to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with $PATH. If
you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually works.
Thanks
Mikhail
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Oct 26 20:06:36 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:06:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610262005560.2481@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and it
> gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that but
> even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been trying
> to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with $PATH. If
> you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually works.

  Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to reliably 
offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.

      Jima


From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 20:12:18 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:12:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610262005560.2481@beer.tclug.org>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610262005560.2481@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610261812p51bb5995se3d2f6fa84452122@mail.gmail.com>

i am using suse 10.1 with and i386

On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and
> it
> > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that but
> > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been
> trying
> > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with
> $PATH. If
> > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually
> works.
>
> Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to reliably
> offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
>
>      Jima
>
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From brockn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 20:49:57 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610261812p51bb5995se3d2f6fa84452122@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
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What happens when you try and install the rpm?

I would guess you cannot compile the source because you did not install the
Development Tools.

Brock

On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov <russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i am using suse 10.1 with and i386
>
> On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and
> > it
> > > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that
> > but
> > > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been
> > trying
> > > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with
> > $PATH. If
> > > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually
> > works.
> >
> > Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to
> > reliably
> > offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
> >
> >      Jima
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 20:58:32 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:58:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610261849r241c968kcc8fa01db8de5b32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610262005560.2481@beer.tclug.org>
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	<741dcbb80610261849r241c968kcc8fa01db8de5b32@mail.gmail.com>
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i do not have a single clue what dev utils are but i also tried binutils
because i read that in the documentation. and when installing the rpm its
starts up yast and right away just closes

On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What happens when you try and install the rpm?
>
> I would guess you cannot compile the source because you did not install
> the Development Tools.
>
> Brock
>
>  On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov <russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i am using suse 10.1 with and i386
> >
> > On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > > > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure
> > > and it
> > > > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that
> > > but
> > > > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been
> > > trying
> > > > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with
> > > $PATH. If
> > > > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that
> > > actually works.
> > >
> > > Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to
> > > reliably
> > > offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
> > >
> > >      Jima
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From brockn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 21:06:54 2006
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:06:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610261858g55003b20o177ea4d8e90ac79d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610262005560.2481@beer.tclug.org>
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Open a root prompt and try this:

rpm -i filename.rpm

and then send us the output.

Brock

On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov <russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i do not have a single clue what dev utils are but i also tried binutils
> because i read that in the documentation. and when installing the rpm its
> starts up yast and right away just closes
>
> On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What happens when you try and install the rpm?
> >
> > I would guess you cannot compile the source because you did not install
> > the Development Tools.
> >
> > Brock
> >
> >  On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov < russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i am using suse 10.1 with and i386
> > >
> > > On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > > > > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure
> > > > and it
> > > > > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded
> > > > that but
> > > > > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have
> > > > been trying
> > > > > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with
> > > > $PATH. If
> > > > > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that
> > > > actually works.
> > > >
> > > > Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to
> > > > reliably
> > > > offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
> > > >
> > > >      Jima
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 21:16:01 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:16:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80610261906w2d66f9a2ld12fecab6d151fe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
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xorg-x11 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
imlib2 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
libIm2.so.1 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586


On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Open a root prompt and try this:
>
> rpm -i filename.rpm
>
> and then send us the output.
>
> Brock
>
> On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov < russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > i do not have a single clue what dev utils are but i also tried binutils
> > because i read that in the documentation. and when installing the rpm its
> > starts up yast and right away just closes
> >
> > On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What happens when you try and install the rpm?
> > >
> > > I would guess you cannot compile the source because you did not
> > > install the Development Tools.
> > >
> > > Brock
> > >
> > >  On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov < russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i am using suse 10.1 with and i386
> > > >
> > > > On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > > > > > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to
> > > > > configure and it
> > > > > > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded
> > > > > that but
> > > > > > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have
> > > > > been trying
> > > > > > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong
> > > > > with $PATH. If
> > > > > > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that
> > > > > actually works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to
> > > > > reliably
> > > > > offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
> > > > >
> > > > >      Jima
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 21:17:08 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:17:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
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oops its actually

error: Failed dependencies:
 xorg-x11 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
imlib2 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
libIm2.so.1 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586




On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov <russianhippie666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> xorg-x11 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
> imlib2 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
> libIm2.so.1 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
>
>
>  On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Open a root prompt and try this:
> >
> > rpm -i filename.rpm
> >
> > and then send us the output.
> >
> > Brock
> >
> > On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov < russianhippie666 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > i do not have a single clue what dev utils are but i also tried
> > > binutils because i read that in the documentation. and when installing the
> > > rpm its starts up yast and right away just closes
> > >
> > > On 10/26/06, Brock Noland <brockn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What happens when you try and install the rpm?
> > > >
> > > > I would guess you cannot compile the source because you did not
> > > > install the Development Tools.
> > > >
> > > > Brock
> > > >
> > > >  On 10/26/06, Mikhail Skobov < russianhippie666 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i am using suse 10.1 with and i386
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/26/06, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > > > > > > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to
> > > > > > configure and it
> > > > > > > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i
> > > > > > downloaded that but
> > > > > > > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i
> > > > > > have been trying
> > > > > > > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong
> > > > > > with $PATH. If
> > > > > > > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that
> > > > > > actually works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Care to tell us what distribution you're running?  Kinda hard to
> > > > > > reliably
> > > > > > offer an "RPM that works" without knowing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      Jima
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 00:04:03 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:04:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:17:08PM -0500, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> oops its actually
> 
> error: Failed dependencies:
> xorg-x11 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
> imlib2 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
> libIm2.so.1 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586

Ah, yes.  Dependency hell.  Welcome to the world of rpm. ;-)  There
are tools out there that will help you automatically resolve
dependencies and install them along with your desired software.
SUSE Linux uses YaST.  The http://www.opensuse.org site has a page
that describes "Upgrading SUSE" at:

	http://en.opensuse.org/Updating_SUSE_Linux

I suggest you start there.  And here is a generic page for package
management:

	http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Package_Management

It appears that SUSE also uses apt!  This is a good thing.  Apt is
incredibly easy to use.  Essentially, you type:

	apt-get install fluxbox

And VWOOOM!  All the packages you need are downloaded and installed
along with your fluxbox.

Good luck!

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Fri Oct 27 07:10:19 2006
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:10:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Open Licenses lunch presentation?
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Maybe Richard Stallman?    :-)
I'd sneak over and give a listen!
Great recorded interview with him at http://edtechlive.com.  (What's up 
with that site though?  It locks up my firefox.)

~jh

greg wm wrote:
> hi folks,
>
> i want to invite someone over for a lunch presentation who can speak 
> with eloquence, candor, and warmth regarding why Open Licenses should be 
> an ethical issue of interest to staff here at Nonviolent Peaceforce.  
> who can y'all recommend?
>
> tia,
> greg
>
> Greg Whitley_Mott
> IT Coordinator
> NonviolentPeaceforce.org
>
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From jsanborn at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 27 07:43:09 2006
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Oct 27 07:45:30 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Open Licenses lunch presentation?
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, John Hawley wrote:

> Maybe Richard Stallman?    :-)
> I'd sneak over and give a listen!
> Great recorded interview with him at http://edtechlive.com.  (What's up
> with that site though?  It locks up my firefox.)

Stallman probably won't do it pro bono.  He gets something minimal, like 
$500 plus travel, and he would be booked on a lot of days.

Mike


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Oct 27 08:25:32 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:25:32 -0500 (CDT)
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:17:08PM -0500, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
>> oops its actually
>>
>> error: Failed dependencies:
>> xorg-x11 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
>> imlib2 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
>> libIm2.so.1 is needed by fluxbox-0.9.15-2.bio.i586
>
> Ah, yes.  Dependency hell.  Welcome to the world of rpm. ;-)

  Oh, come on, that's like complaining about dpkg not automagically 
resolving dependencies.  Way to beat a horse that got buried years ago. 
:-P

> It appears that SUSE also uses apt!  This is a good thing.  Apt is
> incredibly easy to use.

  This PDF seems to imply that the default is now Yum:

http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse101/pdfdoc/applying_patches/applying_patches.pdf

  A bit of Googling led me to this page:

http://www.buks-island.org/2006/04/10/48

  So, assuming you feel you can trust that individual's packages, you could 
try adding this as a Yum repo via YaST (the above PDF mentions this, 
anyway):

http://www.buks-island.org/pub/linux/suse/RPMS-10.1/

> Essentially, you type:
>
> 	apt-get install fluxbox
>
> And VWOOOM!  All the packages you need are downloaded and installed
> along with your fluxbox.

  With Yum, you'd either select fluxbox via YaST (I'm not 100% on this, as 
I haven't used SuSE in a number of years) or run:

yum install fluxbox

  Different program, same basic syntax, and (hopefully) same results.

  Let us know if that helps.

      Jima


From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 09:17:24 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:17:24 -0500
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NO!  You are not allowed to leave until you learn how to read the list
signatures at the bottom of every email! ;-)  "Follow your link, Luke.
Follow your link."
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 09:15:36 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:15:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
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Jima wrote:
> Oh, come on, that's like complaining about dpkg not automagically
> resolving dependencies.  Way to beat a horse that got buried years
> ago.  :-P

Did I *say* that dpkg could do it alone?  Did I even mention dpkg?  I
think your Player knowledge is affecting your Character's actions. ;-)
Besides, dead horses make great glue.

-- 
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           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From lacable at tcq.net  Fri Oct 27 09:24:25 2006
From: lacable at tcq.net (lacable)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:24:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Question
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I'm running fluxbox on SUSE10.0 using the recommendations from the URL 
below.

   http://suseroot.com/suse-linux-tweaks/fluxbox.php

I hope this helps.

LarryC
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:24 -0500
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> i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and it
> gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that but
> even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been trying
> to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with $PATH. If
> you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually works.
> Thanks
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From dalan at visi.com  Fri Oct 27 09:36:10 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Multiple CPU's not being used by Fedora Core 5
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Quoting Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>:

> Jima wrote:
> > Oh, come on, that's like complaining about dpkg not automagically
> > resolving dependencies.  Way to beat a horse that got buried years
> > ago.  :-P
>
> Did I *say* that dpkg could do it alone?  Did I even mention dpkg?  I
> think your Player knowledge is affecting your Character's actions. ;-)
> Besides, dead horses make great glue.
>
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
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Howdy gang,

I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2400 server with dual pIII 733 cpu's. I recently
noticed that top is not reporting both CPU's and yet the smp kernal is
installed.

Can anyone point me to other area's that I can research to determine what might
be wrong?

Thanks
Don S


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Oct 27 09:43:47 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:43:47 -0500 (CDT)
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:

> NO!  You are not allowed to leave until you learn how to read the list
> signatures at the bottom of every email! ;-)  "Follow your link, Luke.
> Follow your link."

Another set of clues can be found in every message header:

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Mike


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Oct 27 09:54:57 2006
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:54:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] question
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Jima wrote:
>> Oh, come on, that's like complaining about dpkg not automagically
>> resolving dependencies.  Way to beat a horse that got buried years
>> ago.  :-P
>
> Did I *say* that dpkg could do it alone?  Did I even mention dpkg?

  Nah, I just drew a parallel based on the same layer you were complaining 
about.  Anyone trying to do heavy lifting on that level (rpm, dpkg, etc) 
is in for a world of frustration, as illustrated by our original poster 
(and years of problems on this and other lists).  Your comment on 
"dependency hell" is rather dated, and doesn't have much place on the 
current distribution landscape.  Apt has been available for RPM-based 
distros for years now, not to mention other dependency-resolving systems.

> I think your Player knowledge is affecting your Character's actions. ;-)

  Depends on if the Player is a troll or not. :-)

> Besides, dead horses make great glue.

  No argument there. :-P

      Jima


From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 10:03:12 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:03:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Multiple CPU's not being used by Fedora Core 5
In-Reply-To: <1161959770.4542195aeeae0@my.visi.com> 
References: <1161959770.4542195aeeae0@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20061027150312.659541D53@skuld.wookimus.net>

Thread stealer!

dalan at visi.com  wrote:
> I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2400 server with dual pIII 733 cpu's. I
> recently noticed that top is not reporting both CPU's and yet the
> smp kernal is installed.
> 
> Can anyone point me to other area's that I can research to determine
> what might be wrong?

# make sure your kernel is really using two processors
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

The default display for top, at least on my machine, doesn't list the
CPU's separately.  Press the number [1] key.  Also, if you press 'h',
you'll go to the help page.  Remember to write the configuration to
.toprc with the 'W' key.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 10:44:02 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610270945290.2481@beer.tclug.org> 
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610270945290.2481@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <20061027154402.356D720C0@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Your comment on "dependency hell" is rather dated, and doesn't have
> much place on the current distribution landscape.

Except when referring to installing packages with lower-level package
software, such as rpm or dpkg.  It's as true today as it was in the
mid-90's.

> Apt has been available for RPM-based distros for years now, not to
> mention other dependency-resolving systems.

But hell still exists without them. ;-)

Anyway, back to the daily grind.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 10:51:58 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:51:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Software RAID 5: Would you recommend it?
Message-ID: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>

I am thinking of setting up a RAID 5 PATA disk array as a backup
volume. Performance isn't a huge issue, but reliability is.

I know some of the people on this list must be running software RAID
5. Based on your experiences, would you recommend software RAID 5 for
this purpose?

I personally like software RAID 1 but I know the algorithms used with
RAID 5 make this setup significantly more complicated.

Cheers!
Eric


From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 11:18:40 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:18:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Software RAID 5: Would you recommend it?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020610270918q68fc6101t7d2bfe81e3547e43@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using a software raid 5 on a Dell server that had hot plug drives
but no hardware raid controller. It works just fine and I don't notice
any huge performance penalty compared to the Dell Linux servers with a
hardware raid.

None of the servers are doing anything excessively disk intensive however.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From ajs at cems.umn.edu  Fri Oct 27 11:26:38 2006
From: ajs at cems.umn.edu (Andy Schmid)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:26:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Software RAID 5: Would you recommend it?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4542333E.7070707@cems.umn.edu>

I've used it before, the performance hit was pretty minimal.. and it was
pretty reliable.  With modern computers, I don't think performance is
really an issue when it comes to software raid5.

ajs

Eric Peterson wrote:

>I am thinking of setting up a RAID 5 PATA disk array as a backup
>volume. Performance isn't a huge issue, but reliability is.
>
>I know some of the people on this list must be running software RAID
>5. Based on your experiences, would you recommend software RAID 5 for
>this purpose?
>
>I personally like software RAID 1 but I know the algorithms used with
>RAID 5 make this setup significantly more complicated.
>
>Cheers!
>Eric
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>

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(612)-626-0712
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 12:34:02 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:34:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Software RAID 5: Would you recommend it?
In-Reply-To: <4542333E.7070707@cems.umn.edu>
References: <579c6fd30610270851k798c0c79hb6100e6feb842d92@mail.gmail.com>
	<4542333E.7070707@cems.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30610271034v26afffaen19556782821757cb@mail.gmail.com>

Great! Just the kind of input I was looking for.

Thank you, Andy and Andrew!

On 10/27/06, Andy Schmid <ajs at cems.umn.edu> wrote:
> I've used it before, the performance hit was pretty minimal.. and it was
> pretty reliable.  With modern computers, I don't think performance is
> really an issue when it comes to software raid5.
>
> ajs
>
> Eric Peterson wrote:
>
> >I am thinking of setting up a RAID 5 PATA disk array as a backup
> >volume. Performance isn't a huge issue, but reliability is.
> >
> >I know some of the people on this list must be running software RAID
> >5. Based on your experiences, would you recommend software RAID 5 for
> >this purpose?
> >
> >I personally like software RAID 1 but I know the algorithms used with
> >RAID 5 make this setup significantly more complicated.
> >
> >Cheers!
> >Eric
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> CEMS IT Office
> 185 Amundson Hall
> (612)-626-0712
> https://www.cems.umn.edu/dept/itoffice/
>
>


From tj at kewlness.net  Fri Oct 27 12:56:08 2006
From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. Duchene)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:56:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>

Since the topic was mentioned - and I don't have anything else to do at
present, except type notes, I thought I'd mention dependency hell.  I
haven't posted anything to the list in probably close to a year.

Regardless of what package manager you happen to be using you can still
get caught in dependency hell because of lazy package maintainers that
don't name their packages properly or worse  - embed static version
numbers in the package metadata.

Personally, I'd rather see dpkg and rpm BOTH be tossed into the dustbin.

Binary package managers are dependent on cooked up pre-install or
post-install scripts and package metadata to work properly, and quite
often fall flat on their face if you do something unexpected.


Not to say that source distribs like Gentoo are any better.  I
definately don't want to spend 3-6 days compiling software just to
discover I left out a compiler flag and have to start over from scratch.



I think personally the greatest problem with UNIX in general is the fact
that most versions/derivatives follow the same standard that in naming
the dynamic libraries used by Sun - in effect:

name.so.version.subversion.

and then symlink it to some otherwise obscure name.

While this works well enough, it also causes 9/10ths of the dependency
problems that everyone has and necessitates the package metadata because
different distributors sometimes have very nasty habit of adding
additional numbers or names to the original libraries that they obtain
from an upstream provider.

Now the linker cache solves some of the dynamic resolution problems by
maintaining symbol data, and as a last resort you can always rename or
symlink to a different name.

I'd be much happier myself if they removed the version.subversion
portion of the name from the libraries - after all they symlink names to
remove version numbers anyway. They could also drop the POSIX tradition
of /usr/lib, /lib, and /usr/local/lib to place libraries in a common
directory with personalized versions installed in ~/lib.

Granted, again if your linker cache is properly working, the library
path is immaterial, because all you have to do is use ldconfig, but
there are so many idiots out there who like to hardcode paths into
software.

Most Linux distribs are finally getting it into their heads that you
have to leave the library names and version numbers the same as the
upstream provider intended in order to ensure compatibility.

The LSB (Linux Standard Base) is really a joke.  The community in
general can't agree on anything - much less a common directory and
package standard.

I think a percentage of developers out there realize some of this -
because there is a quiet but progressive groups working toward a
"componentized" Linux - where software is broken down into components
rather than distributions - and can be installed regardless of
distribution - RedHat or whatever.

There - done with my rambling for the moment.




From rclark at lakesplus.com  Fri Oct 27 13:09:56 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:09:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Install new Acer LCD 20W monitor
Message-ID: <1161972596.5751.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ok ... I am looking to minimize my pain and suffering for the
installation of a new acer 20 inch wide screen LCD monitor (AL2016W)
onto two linux boxes (shared via KVM).

One has FC5 and the other has FC3.

Suggestions on how to best go about this?  I have looked for a driver,
but to no avail.  So I am figuring I will have to specify parameters,
etc. in order to make it work.

Thanks in advance on how to most easily make this work because I can
afford very little down time.

Randy



From jkjones at tcq.net  Fri Oct 27 13:45:54 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:45:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Install new Acer LCD 20W monitor
In-Reply-To: <1161972596.5751.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1161972596.5751.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <454253E2.4000901@tcq.net>

Randy Clarksean wrote:
> Ok ... I am looking to minimize my pain and suffering for the
> installation of a new acer 20 inch wide screen LCD monitor (AL2016W)
> onto two linux boxes (shared via KVM).
>
> One has FC5 and the other has FC3.
>
> Suggestions on how to best go about this?  I have looked for a driver,
> but to no avail.  So I am figuring I will have to specify parameters,
> etc. in order to make it work.
>
> Thanks in advance on how to most easily make this work because I can
> afford very little down time.
>
> Randy
>
>   
I recently added an Acer 19" AL1917 to this Kubuntu system.  Had a 
little trouble at first getting it to work at its native resolution.  
Found I had to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add "1280x1024" to the video 
modes line for all depths up to 24.

Then, following a note in the xorg.conf file, I ran:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Set the KDE desktop resolution to 1280x1024.  It didn't look right at 
first, but was OK after I let the monitor run its Autoconfigure.

I don't have a KVM switch, so don't know about that.

The monitor looks great!

Kraig




From sac at cheesecake.org  Fri Oct 27 14:50:45 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:50:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
Message-ID: <20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 at 12.56.08 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> I'd be much happier myself if they removed the version.subversion
> portion of the name from the libraries - after all they symlink names to
> remove version numbers anyway. They could also drop the POSIX tradition
> of /usr/lib, /lib, and /usr/local/lib to place libraries in a common
> directory with personalized versions installed in ~/lib.

i think you mean c:\windows\system32.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 15:33:30 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:33:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <45421699.40107@tcq.net>
References: <mailman.2099.1161914362.30014.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<45421699.40107@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610271333n2c089aafp286af05a7445ee14@mail.gmail.com>

the problem is the link is under construction and isn't working. if you have
a working RPM i'd gladly take it. lol

On 10/27/06, lacable <lacable at tcq.net> wrote:
>
> I'm running fluxbox on SUSE10.0 using the recommendations from the URL
> below.
>
>   http://suseroot.com/suse-linux-tweaks/fluxbox.php
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> LarryC
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:24 -0500
> > From: "Mikhail Skobov" <russianhippie666 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [tclug-list] question
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > i have a question about how to install fluxbox. I try to configure and
> it
> > gives me an error message that says gcc missing so i downloaded that but
> > even it by itself doesnt configure and for the past week i have been
> trying
> > to do this and it has not worked. It gives me something wrong with
> $PATH. If
> > you can help please reply either that or show me an RPM that actually
> works.
> > Thanks
> > Mikhail
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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 15:37:24 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:37:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] question
In-Reply-To: <20061027154402.356D720C0@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <6f6d54f70610261757h1bb89045p97e6f3d166e6d927@mail.gmail.com>
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alright ill try guys, thanks. damn i hate being a noob

On 10/27/06, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > Your comment on "dependency hell" is rather dated, and doesn't have
> > much place on the current distribution landscape.
>
> Except when referring to installing packages with lower-level package
> software, such as rpm or dpkg.  It's as true today as it was in the
> mid-90's.
>
> > Apt has been available for RPM-based distros for years now, not to
> > mention other dependency-resolving systems.
>
> But hell still exists without them. ;-)
>
> Anyway, back to the daily grind.
>
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>
>
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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 15:43:13 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:43:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
	<20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com>

so you're saying to not use rmp or w/e and use the tar way?

On 10/27/06, Sidney Cammeresi <sac at cheesecake.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 at 12.56.08 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > I'd be much happier myself if they removed the version.subversion
> > portion of the name from the libraries - after all they symlink names to
> > remove version numbers anyway. They could also drop the POSIX tradition
> > of /usr/lib, /lib, and /usr/local/lib to place libraries in a common
> > directory with personalized versions installed in ~/lib.
>
> i think you mean c:\windows\system32.
>
> --
> Sidney CAMMERESI
> http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/
>
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From dalan at visi.com  Fri Oct 27 16:23:08 2006
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:23:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Multiple CPU's not being used by Fedora Core 5
In-Reply-To: <20061027150312.659541D53@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <1161959770.4542195aeeae0@my.visi.com>
	<20061027150312.659541D53@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <1161984188.454278bce0839@my.visi.com>

Thanks every, stupid user error..


Quoting Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>:

> Thread stealer!
>
> dalan at visi.com  wrote:
> > I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2400 server with dual pIII 733 cpu's. I
> > recently noticed that top is not reporting both CPU's and yet the
> > smp kernal is installed.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to other area's that I can research to determine
> > what might be wrong?
>
> # make sure your kernel is really using two processors
> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
>
> The default display for top, at least on my machine, doesn't list the
> CPU's separately.  Press the number [1] key.  Also, if you press 'h',
> you'll go to the help page.  Remember to write the configuration to
> .toprc with the 'W' key.
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>            assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>
>
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From tj at kewlness.net  Fri Oct 27 16:54:50 2006
From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. Duchene)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
Message-ID: <4542802A.1090003@kewlness.net>

> i think you mean c:\windows\system32.

If you mean in good humor as a joke, then alrighty, I can go for that.
Not need to get nasty, though, Sidney. =)

In all seriousness, though, locating dynamic library files in a central
location solves a few and creates one or two problems when it comes to
link dependencies.

I've seen arguments for both sides over the years, and in point of fact,
the only reason POSIX really maintains the current structure is
tradition.  Root permissions are generally required to install libraries
 anywhere on the system, except in ~/lib anyway - where users install
their own lib versions.

By placing libraries in 1 directory instead of three, maintaining
versions would be easier, as well as simplifying linking when most
administrators these days don't even have the knowledge to set
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

The point is also that it would force distribution vendors to
standardize the libraries and names of libraries they ship, and make
distributions more compatible with each other - rather than scattering
them all over the disk in some ad hoc fashion that only some programmer
atthe Fedora or the Debian projects can dream up.


Not to say that it doesn't have its  drawbacks.  Multiple library
version names might be an issue, for example.

T.J.


From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 16:53:00 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
	<20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
	<6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061027215300.5383B1D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>

"Mikhail Skobov" <russianhippie666 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> so you're saying to not use rmp or w/e and use the tar way?

No, Mikhail.  Stick w/rpm and the other tools that SUSE uses to
install software.  He was simply ranting at the general concept of
munged library naming that some distributions use for their packages,
some complaint about default search paths (which is overcome with
LD_LIBRARY_PATH), and a general snipe at developers that hard-code
path names in their applications.  Nothing really to do with rpm,
dpkg, or tarballs.

rpm's, deb's, and package-style tarballs all contain binary data, meta
data on where to install it on the system, and what prerequisites are
needed before the software can work.  rpm's are cpio archives with a
meta-data header.  deb's are ar archives containing two tarballs and a
file or two: control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, and version.  Slackware
tarballs were...  Well, you get the picture.

Eventually, someone will say, "Why doesn't everyone do what NeXT does,
and by virtue what Mac OS X does, by shipping self-contained software
packages?"  Someone will say that what we have is good enough.
Someone else will state that LSB will save us all.  Etc.

Horses will be beaten (or is it eaten), and eventually, someone will
state someone else is a Nazi; the thread will have officially ended.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 17:10:06 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:10:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <20061027215300.5383B1D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
	<20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
	<6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061027215300.5383B1D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610271510v3a0e802wb66778225a956e41@mail.gmail.com>

haha. if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

On 10/27/06, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
>
> "Mikhail Skobov" <russianhippie666 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > so you're saying to not use rmp or w/e and use the tar way?
>
> No, Mikhail.  Stick w/rpm and the other tools that SUSE uses to
> install software.  He was simply ranting at the general concept of
> munged library naming that some distributions use for their packages,
> some complaint about default search paths (which is overcome with
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH), and a general snipe at developers that hard-code
> path names in their applications.  Nothing really to do with rpm,
> dpkg, or tarballs.
>
> rpm's, deb's, and package-style tarballs all contain binary data, meta
> data on where to install it on the system, and what prerequisites are
> needed before the software can work.  rpm's are cpio archives with a
> meta-data header.  deb's are ar archives containing two tarballs and a
> file or two: control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, and version.  Slackware
> tarballs were...  Well, you get the picture.
>
> Eventually, someone will say, "Why doesn't everyone do what NeXT does,
> and by virtue what Mac OS X does, by shipping self-contained software
> packages?"  Someone will say that what we have is good enough.
> Someone else will state that LSB will save us all.  Etc.
>
> Horses will be beaten (or is it eaten), and eventually, someone will
> state someone else is a Nazi; the thread will have officially ended.
>
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Oct 27 17:13:11 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:13:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610271510v3a0e802wb66778225a956e41@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
	<20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
	<6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061027215300.5383B1D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<6f6d54f70610271510v3a0e802wb66778225a956e41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061027221311.9AD273364@skuld.wookimus.net>

> haha. if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

Old enough to be a little jaded, but young enough to have fun with it:
32. ;-)

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 17:13:59 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:13:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dependency Hell
In-Reply-To: <20061027221311.9AD273364@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <mailman.5.1161968403.16960.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1161971768.5927.53.camel@alysebeth>
	<20061027195045.GA7745@cheesecake.org>
	<6f6d54f70610271343v5c4b4d4ar500027d42c0d39eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061027215300.5383B1D6F@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<6f6d54f70610271510v3a0e802wb66778225a956e41@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610271513v5d25c568n9fa959c291518e4d@mail.gmail.com>

oh shit, i have 18 years to go.

On 10/27/06, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
>
> > haha. if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?
>
> Old enough to be a little jaded, but young enough to have fun with it:
> 32. ;-)
>
> --
> Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
>           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */
>
>
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From jack at jacku.com  Fri Oct 27 23:38:34 2006
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:38:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610271333n2c089aafp286af05a7445ee14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2099.1161914362.30014.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<45421699.40107@tcq.net>
	<6f6d54f70610271333n2c089aafp286af05a7445ee14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610272338.35564.jack@jacku.com>

On Friday 27 October 2006 3:33 pm, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> the problem is the link is under construction and isn't working. if you
> have a working RPM i'd gladly take it. lol
>
Try this one instead:

http://packman.links2linux.org/package/fluxbox



-- 
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jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 28 03:24:24 2006
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>
>
>
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> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>


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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 10:57:08 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:57:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] wireless
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610290857v3130b0c1pf7975b0d2bd8ed5@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody know how to setup a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card for SuSE
10.1? Thanks

Mikhail
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Sun Oct 29 18:37:15 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:37:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
Message-ID: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ok ... I am in serious need of upgrading my cell phone.  Has anyone out
there used the Treo 700p?  In particular, I would like to know if anyone
has used it with Evolution, as I would like to do a much better job of
scheduling work and family related activities ... since I am so absent
minded.  

Thanks in advance.

Randy



From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 19:40:59 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:40:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610291740r53cda89ax57eef0dcaa6bee32@mail.gmail.com>

what's Evolution? and if you can't keep these things in your head the phone
won't really help that much since you'll forget to check it


On 10/29/06, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>
> Ok ... I am in serious need of upgrading my cell phone.  Has anyone out
> there used the Treo 700p?  In particular, I would like to know if anyone
> has used it with Evolution, as I would like to do a much better job of
> scheduling work and family related activities ... since I am so absent
> minded.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Randy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Oct 29 21:57:16 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:57:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610291858330.25129@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Randy Clarksean wrote:

> Ok ... I am in serious need of upgrading my cell phone.  Has anyone out 
> there used the Treo 700p?  In particular, I would like to know if anyone 
> has used it with Evolution, as I would like to do a much better job of 
> scheduling work and family related activities ... since I am so absent 
> minded.


I'm still on the Treo 650 and am using Meeting Maker (proprietary, ordered 
by employer) and it is working OK.  I definitely also want to hear about 
experiences with Evolution, and especially with anything that might 
replace Meeting Maker functionality.  The Meeting Maker corp seems to be 
really focused on vendor lock-in as a business model and they aren't 
interested in innovation.  I am not impressed, but their program does seem 
to work, at least if I sync in only one direction (from MM to PDA).

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Oct 29 21:58:15 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:58:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610291740r53cda89ax57eef0dcaa6bee32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6f6d54f70610291740r53cda89ax57eef0dcaa6bee32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610292157270.25129@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:

> what's Evolution? and if you can't keep these things in your head the 
> phone won't really help that much since you'll forget to check it


You set it to beep a certain number of minutes before an appointment.

Mike


From jack at jacku.com  Sun Oct 29 23:15:35 2006
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:15:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] wireless
In-Reply-To: <6f6d54f70610290857v3130b0c1pf7975b0d2bd8ed5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610290857v3130b0c1pf7975b0d2bd8ed5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610292315.36261.jack@jacku.com>

On Sunday 29 October 2006 10:57 am, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> Does anybody know how to setup a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card for SuSE
> 10.1? Thanks
>
> Mikhail

Not knowing the chipset of that card it's tough to be certain. The most likely 
solution is Ndiswrapper. There some instructions on setup at:

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Suse_Professional_9.2

[Don't worry about the 9.2 reference in the URL the content mentions that the 
instructions have been tested and work for 10.1]

Good Luck!
Jack

-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Oct 30 06:23:02 2006
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:23:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200610301223.k9UCN2R02068@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Data Entry/Home Typist

Data Entry/Home Typist
This is a legitimate work at home opportunity.
Earn $300-$500 per week from home typing and doing data entry.
Complete Training, easy to start!
http://ourdollars.com


Seller Email address: blrbindu at yahoo dot com

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From florin at iucha.net  Mon Oct 30 07:44:14 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:44:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <200610301223.k9UCN2R02068@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200610301223.k9UCN2R02068@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20061030134414.GC17705@iucha.net>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 06:23:02AM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote:
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
> 
> Category: Computer
> 
> Type of Ad: For Free
> 
> Subject: Data Entry/Home Typist

Is there any way to cross-reference the TCLUG Ad page to the
subscriber's e-mail address?  This starts to get annoying...

florin

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 08:18:02 2006
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:18:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
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Message-ID: <579c6fd30610300618v4a4a68edo21c6e1b8dc6b2a82@mail.gmail.com>

I use the Treo 650 and it worked very well with Kontact on Kubuntu
Breezy. After upgrading to Dapper I have not had any success getting
it to sync or be seen by the kernel. I did some research and it sounds
like there is a problem with the kernel.

While it did work, it worked great. It still helps keep me on track,
but it was a lot nicer when I could sync with my desktop calendar.

-Eric

On 10/29/06, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
>
> > what's Evolution? and if you can't keep these things in your head the
> > phone won't really help that much since you'll forget to check it
>
>
> You set it to beep a certain number of minutes before an appointment.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tmarble at info9.net  Mon Oct 30 09:06:29 2006
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:06:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30610300618v4a4a68edo21c6e1b8dc6b2a82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<6f6d54f70610291740r53cda89ax57eef0dcaa6bee32@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610292157270.25129@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<579c6fd30610300618v4a4a68edo21c6e1b8dc6b2a82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <454614F5.2060706@info9.net>

Eric Peterson wrote:
> I use the Treo 650 and it worked very well with Kontact on Kubuntu
> Breezy. After upgrading to Dapper I have not had any success getting
> it to sync or be seen by the kernel. I did some research and it sounds
> like there is a problem with the kernel.
> 
> While it did work, it worked great. It still helps keep me on track,
> but it was a lot nicer when I could sync with my desktop calendar.

I regularly sync my Treo 650 to Evolution with Ubuntu Dapper.

Evolution
  Edit | Synchronization Options...
  Devices
  Port: /dev/ttyUSB1
  Speed: 115200
  Type: USB

The only quirkiness is that I've had most success when I...
1. press the HotSync button on the USB cable
2. immediately start gpilotd *on the command line*

I'm not sure why gpilotd doesn't "do the right thing" in the background,
but this allows me to sync just fine.  And, FWIW, the calendar
interface is better than jpilot.

HTH,

--Tom

tmarble at techno 182% uname -a
Linux techno 2.6.15-27-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Sep 16 02:13:27 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

Oct 30 08:59:07 techno kernel: [17610728.400000] usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 33
Oct 30 08:59:07 techno kernel: [17610728.500000] visor 1-1.2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
Oct 30 08:59:07 techno kernel: [17610728.500000] usb 1-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Oct 30 08:59:07 techno kernel: [17610728.504000] usb 1-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1




From admin at lctn.org  Mon Oct 30 09:16:54 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:16:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
Message-ID: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.

The info I have is:

Booting ---more here-----
root (hd0,0)
Filesystem type ----more here----

Uncompressing Linux
crc error
--system halted

At the very least I need to get the home and mail files off of the
server. What would be the best approach here?

Raymond


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From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Mon Oct 30 09:33:22 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <200610300933.22548.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Monday 30 October 2006 09:16, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> sent a 
missive stating: 
> I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.
>
> The info I have is:
>
> Booting ---more here-----
> root (hd0,0)
> Filesystem type ----more here----
>
> Uncompressing Linux
> crc error
> --system halted
>
> At the very least I need to get the home and mail files off of the
> server. What would be the best approach here?

Grab your favorite cd-based distro (knoppix comes to mind) pop that in there 
and see if the drives are still okay. FTP / SAMBA / SFTP the data off to 
another medium. 

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From admin at lctn.org  Mon Oct 30 09:35:37 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:35:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <200610300933.22548.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<200610300933.22548.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <1162222537.7672.98.camel@project-1.tamray.com>

>Grab your favorite cd-based distro (knoppix comes to mind) pop that in
>there 
> and see if the drives are still okay. FTP / SAMBA / SFTP the data off to 
> another medium. 

That was my original thought, but building a new mail server was not on
my schedule today. I guess its time to fire up one of my vmware
servers:)


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From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 09:44:20 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:44:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <200610300933.22548.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<200610300933.22548.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70610300744q4b0c657ch8db5cfa53ece8bca@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/30/06, Henrik Hudson <rhavenn at rhavenn.net> wrote:
> On Monday 30 October 2006 09:16, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> sent a
> missive stating:
> > I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.
> >
> > The info I have is:
> >
> > Booting ---more here-----
> > root (hd0,0)
> > Filesystem type ----more here----
> >
> > Uncompressing Linux
> > crc error
> > --system halted
> >
> > At the very least I need to get the home and mail files off of the
> > server. What would be the best approach here?
>
> Grab your favorite cd-based distro (knoppix comes to mind) pop that in there
> and see if the drives are still okay. FTP / SAMBA / SFTP the data off to
> another medium.
>
> Henrik
> --
> Henrik Hudson
> rhavenn at rhavenn.net
> ------------------------------
> "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
>  understand binary and those who don't..."
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

If SMART is enabled on that drive use smartctl to possibly see any
indications of hardware failure.  Grab the important stuff first as
I've started copying data on dying drives only to have them completely
fail in that process.


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Oct 30 10:42:07 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:42:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com> 
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <20061030164207.F264E6E49@skuld.wookimus.net>

Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org>  wrote:
> I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.
> 
> The info I have is:
> 
> Booting ---more here-----
> root (hd0,0)
> Filesystem type ----more here----
> 
> Uncompressing Linux
> crc error
> --system halted

Ouch!  As suggested earlier, boot off a Knoppix or other LiveCD like
SystemRescueCD http://www.sysresccd.org/.  Figure out whether or not
the hard drive is going belly up.  The best you can do is try to get
the data off.  Add another hard drive to the system, something large
enough to back-up all the data.  Then use GNU parted to copy
partitions over.  Once that's done, chroot to the new disk and install
a new kernel.  Install the grub/lilo MBR.  Disconnect the old drive,
then reboot.

If you want to get fancy, buy two hard drives.  Before rebooting, hook
up the second drive and set up mirrored disks using mdadm.  If you
want to boot off a mirrored partition, you'll have to use lilo.  If
you plan on using Xen at some point, you'll have to use grub.  It's a
crazy, mixed up world out there.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From sac at cheesecake.org  Mon Oct 30 11:00:25 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:00:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <20061030164207.F264E6E49@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061030164207.F264E6E49@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <20061030170025.GA31659@cheesecake.org>

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 at 10.42.07 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> If you want to get fancy, buy two hard drives.  Before rebooting, hook
> up the second drive and set up mirrored disks using mdadm.  If you
> want to boot off a mirrored partition, you'll have to use lilo.  If
> you plan on using Xen at some point, you'll have to use grub.  It's a
> crazy, mixed up world out there.

I boot from a software RAID-1 using grub just fine.

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Oct 30 11:59:20 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:59:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <20061030170025.GA31659@cheesecake.org> 
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<20061030164207.F264E6E49@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<20061030170025.GA31659@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <20061030175920.C171C6D05@skuld.wookimus.net>

Sidney Cammeresi <sac at cheesecake.org>  wrote:
> I boot from a software RAID-1 using grub just fine.

Ahh, the world is changing.  I'll have to look into it.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From gsker at comcast.net  Mon Oct 30 12:37:03 2006
From: gsker at comcast.net (gsker at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:37:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301235440.5542@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:

> I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.
>
> The info I have is:
>
> Booting ---more here-----
> root (hd0,0)
> Filesystem type ----more here----
>
> Uncompressing Linux
> crc error
> --system halted
>
> At the very least I need to get the home and mail files off of the
> server. What would be the best approach here?
>
> Raymond

I got that crc error yesterady on a machine and the problem turned out to be 
memory, so don't just assume you have a bad disk.

Gerry



-- 
gsker at comcast.net
gerry



From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Mon Oct 30 12:49:46 2006
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:49:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] IPTables issues.
Message-ID: <4546494A.8090306@plauditdesign.com>

Hello all.

Over the weekend, one of our servers pooped out (still looking into 
WHY...) and we were forced to have Visi reboot the thing. After a 
reboot, everything seemed to be working a-ok with one exception. Some 
websites were completely unaccessible.

After briefly looking at logs, it seems that the IPTables firewall on 
the machine was dropping incoming packets for port 80. I ran my script 
to remove all the FW rules and completely open it up, and the site was 
accessible again. I then ran the fw script and added all the rules back 
again and it still worked. The fw should be set up to allow incoming 
"NEW" connections from anyone on ports 80 and 443. Another rule allows 
established connections as well. This leads me to believe that the 
connection tracking somehow got messed up (although I'm not sure).

What I am wondering is:
    1) what causes this?
    2) how can i prevent this?
    3) is there anything wrong with my script?

I use fwbuilder locally to manage the fw script. This tends to create a 
somewhat complex iptables script, but I am familiar with it and it 
should be working just fine. It's not too bad once you understand how it 
decides to do things. If anyone wants a brief overview of the script to 
help a little bit with my issue I'll gladly provide it. Does anyone have 
any insight or tips to deal with this strange issue?

Here is my script:
===============================================================================

#!/bin/sh
#
#  This is automatically generated file. DO NOT MODIFY !
#
#  Firewall Builder  fwb_ipt v2.0.12-1
#
#  Generated Mon Sep 18 16:52:34 2006 Central Daylight Time by mbditt
#
# files: * silverback.fw
#
#
# 
#
#
#


PATH="/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:${PATH}"
export PATH


#
# Prolog script
#

#
# End of prolog script
#

log() {
  echo "$1"
  test -x "$LOGGER" && $LOGGER -p info "$1"
}

va_num=1
add_addr() {
  addr=$1
  nm=$2
  dev=$3

  type=""
  aadd=""

  L=`$IP -4 link ls $dev | head -n1`
  if test -n "$L"; then
    OIFS=$IFS
    IFS=" /:,<"
    set $L
    type=$4
    IFS=$OIFS

    L=`$IP -4 addr ls $dev to $addr | grep inet | grep -v :`
    if test -n "$L"; then
      OIFS=$IFS
      IFS=" /"
      set $L
      aadd=$2
      IFS=$OIFS
    fi
  fi
  if test -z "$aadd"; then
    if test "$type" = "POINTOPOINT"; then
      $IP -4 addr add $addr dev $dev scope global label $dev:FWB${va_num}
      va_num=`expr $va_num + 1`
    fi
    if test "$type" = "BROADCAST"; then
      $IP -4 addr add $addr/$nm dev $dev brd + scope global label 
$dev:FWB${va_num}
      va_num=`expr $va_num + 1`
    fi
  fi
}

getInterfaceVarName() {
  echo $1 | sed 's/\./_/'
}

getaddr() {
  dev=$1
  name=$2
  L=`$IP -4 addr show dev $dev | grep inet | grep -v :`
  test -z "$L" && {
    eval "$name=''"
    return
  }
  OIFS=$IFS
  IFS=" /"
  set $L
  eval "$name=$2"
  IFS=$OIFS
}


getinterfaces() {
  NAME=$1
  $IP link show | grep ": $NAME" | while read L; do
    OIFS=$IFS
    IFS=" :"
    set $L
    IFS=$OIFS
    echo $2
  done
}


LSMOD="/bin/lsmod"
MODPROBE="/sbin/modprobe"
IPTABLES="/sbin/iptables"
IPTABLES_RESTORE="iptables-restore"
IP="/sbin/ip"
LOGGER="logger"

if $IP link ls >/dev/null 2>&1; then
  echo;
else
  echo "iproute not found"
  exit 1
fi


INTERFACES="eth1 lo eth0 "
for i in $INTERFACES ; do
  $IP link show "$i" > /dev/null 2>&1 || {
    log "Interface $i does not exist"
    exit 1
  }
done



$IP -4 neigh flush dev eth1 >/dev/null 2>&1
$IP -4 addr flush dev eth1 secondary label "eth1:FWB*" >/dev/null 2>&1
$IP -4 neigh flush dev eth0 >/dev/null 2>&1
$IP -4 addr flush dev eth0 secondary label "eth0:FWB*" >/dev/null 2>&1



MODULE_DIR="/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/"
MODULES=`(cd $MODULE_DIR; ls *_conntrack* | sed -n -e 's/\.ko$//p' -e 
's/\.o$//p' -e 's/\.ko\.gz$//p' -e 's/\.o\.gz$//p')`
for module in $MODULES; do
  if $LSMOD | grep ${module} >/dev/null; then continue; fi
  $MODPROBE ${module} ||  exit 1
done



log 'Activating firewall script generated Mon Sep 18 16:52:34 2006  by 
mbditt'

$IPTABLES -P OUTPUT  DROP
$IPTABLES -P INPUT   DROP
$IPTABLES -P FORWARD DROP
ip6tables -L -n > /dev/null 2>&1 && {
  ip6tables -P OUTPUT  DROP
  ip6tables -P INPUT   DROP
  ip6tables -P FORWARD DROP
}



cat /proc/net/ip_tables_names | while read table; do
  test "X$table" = "Xmangle" && continue
  $IPTABLES -t $table -L -n | while read c chain rest; do
      if test "X$c" = "XChain" ; then
        $IPTABLES -t $table -F $chain
      fi
  done
  $IPTABLES -t $table -X
done


$IPTABLES -A INPUT   -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

#
# Rule 0 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 0 (eth1)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 63.87.118.237  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 63.87.118.237  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 63.87.118.237  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 1 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 1 (eth1)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
#
# Rule 2 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 2 (eth1)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -N eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 218.25.62.92  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 69.226.3.135  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 207.54.140.114  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 202.131.224.36  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 203.131.100.37  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 219.154.95.4  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 213.80.123.21  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 207.176.226.30  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 210.244.225.13  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 12.110.109.8  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 193.255.156.236  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 211.233.15.187  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 210.9.92.124  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 61.131.98.198  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 69.64.50.175  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 212.50.21.10  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 211.234.125.141  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 210.13.41.1  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 163.16.187.253  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 125.251.116.2  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1  -s 200.245.0.170  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 218.25.62.92  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 69.226.3.135  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 207.54.140.114  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 202.131.224.36  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 203.131.100.37  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 219.154.95.4  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 213.80.123.21  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 207.176.226.30  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 210.244.225.13  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 12.110.109.8  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 193.255.156.236  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 211.233.15.187  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 210.9.92.124  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 61.131.98.198  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 69.64.50.175  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 212.50.21.10  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 211.234.125.141  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 210.13.41.1  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 163.16.187.253  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 125.251.116.2  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth1  -s 200.245.0.170  -j eth1_In_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A eth1_In_RULE_2   -j LOG  --log-level info --log-prefix 
"RULE 2 -- DENY "
$IPTABLES -A eth1_In_RULE_2   -j DROP
$IPTABLES -N eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 218.25.62.92  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 69.226.3.135  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 207.54.140.114  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 202.131.224.36  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 203.131.100.37  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 219.154.95.4  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 213.80.123.21  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 207.176.226.30  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 210.244.225.13  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 12.110.109.8  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 193.255.156.236  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 211.233.15.187  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 210.9.92.124  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 61.131.98.198  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 69.64.50.175  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 212.50.21.10  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 211.234.125.141  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 210.13.41.1  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 163.16.187.253  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 125.251.116.2  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1  -s 200.245.0.170  -j eth1_Out_RULE_2
$IPTABLES -A eth1_Out_RULE_2   -j LOG  --log-level info --log-prefix 
"RULE 2 -- DENY "
$IPTABLES -A eth1_Out_RULE_2   -j DROP
#
# Rule 3 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 3 (eth1)"
#
# Allow web service.
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid4411F136.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  -m multiport  --dports 
80,443  -m state --state NEW  -j Cid4411F136.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411F136.0   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 4 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 4 (eth1)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid4411DDEC.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 22  -m state --state 
NEW  -j Cid4411DDEC.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4411DDEC.0   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 5 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 5 (eth1)"
#
# Allow DNS queries.
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid441AFEAF.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 53  -m state --state 
NEW  -j Cid441AFEAF.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p udp -m udp  --dport 53  -m state --state 
NEW  -j Cid441AFEAF.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441AFEAF.0   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 6 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 6 (eth1)"
#
# Allow Email
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid441B04DF.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  -m multiport  --dports 
143,25  -m state --state NEW  -j Cid441B04DF.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.0   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -N Cid441B04DF.1
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  -m multiport  --dports 
143,25  -m state --state NEW  -j Cid441B04DF.1
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.1   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -N Cid441B04DF.2
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -o eth1 -p tcp -m tcp  -m multiport  --dports 
143,25  -m state --state NEW  -j Cid441B04DF.2
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid441B04DF.2   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 7 (eth1)
#
echo "Rule 7 (eth1)"
#
# Allow Pings
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid4509C13E.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth1 -p icmp  -m icmp  --icmp-type 8/0   -m state 
--state NEW  -j Cid4509C13E.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 208.42.166.161  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 208.42.166.162  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 208.42.166.163  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 208.42.166.164  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 208.42.166.165  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid4509C13E.0   -d 10.60.100.18  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 0 (lo)
#
echo "Rule 0 (lo)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 127.0.0.1  -m state --state NEW  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i lo  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 127.0.0.1  -m state --state NEW  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i lo  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 127.0.0.1  -m state --state NEW  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o lo  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
#
# Rule 1 (eth0)
#
echo "Rule 1 (eth0)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -N Cid448ED21F.0
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -d 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
Cid448ED21F.0
$IPTABLES -A Cid448ED21F.0  -p icmp  -m icmp  --icmp-type any  -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A Cid448ED21F.0  -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 873  -j ACCEPT
#
# Rule 2 (eth0)
#
echo "Rule 2 (eth0)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -i eth0  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -i eth0  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 208.42.166.161  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 208.42.166.162  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 208.42.166.163  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 208.42.166.164  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 208.42.166.165  -m state --state NEW  
-j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -o eth0  -s 10.60.100.18  -m state --state NEW  -j 
ACCEPT
#
# Rule 0 (global)
#
echo "Rule 0 (global)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 139  -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp  -m multiport  --dports 138,137,68,67  
-j DROP
$IPTABLES -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 139  -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A INPUT -p udp -m udp  -m multiport  --dports 138,137,68,67  
-j DROP
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp  --dport 139  -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p udp -m udp  -m multiport  --dports 
138,137,68,67  -j DROP
#
# Rule 1 (global)
#
echo "Rule 1 (global)"
#
#
#
$IPTABLES -N RULE_1
$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT  -j RULE_1
$IPTABLES -A INPUT  -j RULE_1
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD  -j RULE_1
$IPTABLES -A RULE_1  -j LOG  --log-level info --log-prefix "RULE 1 -- DENY "
$IPTABLES -A RULE_1  -j DROP
#
#
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward


#
# Epilog script
#


# End of epilog script
#

===============================================================================

Matt Dittbenner


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Mon Oct 30 12:51:42 2006
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:51:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301235440.5542@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301235440.5542@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <454649BE.1010606@plauditdesign.com>

gsker at comcast.net wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Raymond Norton wrote:
>
>   
>> I just got a call from a school that has a mail server that wont boot.
>>
>> The info I have is:
>>
>> Booting ---more here-----
>> root (hd0,0)
>> Filesystem type ----more here----
>>
>> Uncompressing Linux
>> crc error
>> --system halted
>>
>> At the very least I need to get the home and mail files off of the
>> server. What would be the best approach here?
>>
>> Raymond
>>     
>
> I got that crc error yesterady on a machine and the problem turned out to be 
> memory, so don't just assume you have a bad disk.
>
> Gerry
>   

If I were you, I'd still back your stuff up as soon as possible. Better 
to assume you have a bad disk and keep your data than assume its bad ram 
and lose everything.
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From florin at iucha.net  Mon Oct 30 13:54:47 2006
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301235440.5542@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162221414.7672.85.camel@project-1.tamray.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301235440.5542@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20061030195447.GF17705@iucha.net>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:37:03PM -0600, gsker at comcast.net wrote:
> I got that crc error yesterady on a machine and the problem turned out to be 
> memory, so don't just assume you have a bad disk.

Ouch, that could be worse - random scribblings all over the data and
metadata.  Copy the data out then do a thorough fsck on it.

florin

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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Oct 30 14:15:04 2006
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:15:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] monday mornings are great!
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	<454649BE.1010606@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <2402.64.8.149.114.1162239304.squirrel@lctn.org>


>> I got that crc error yesterady on a machine and the problem turned out
>> to be
>> memory, so don't just assume you have a bad disk.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>
> If I were you, I'd still back your stuff up as soon as possible. Better
> to assume you have a bad disk and keep your data than assume its bad ram
> and lose everything.

It turned out to be a bad motherboard. I am backing everything up now. I
like happy endings, and shorter days:)



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From russianhippie666 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 15:51:02 2006
From: russianhippie666 at gmail.com (Mikhail Skobov)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:51:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] wireless
In-Reply-To: <200610292315.36261.jack@jacku.com>
References: <6f6d54f70610290857v3130b0c1pf7975b0d2bd8ed5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200610292315.36261.jack@jacku.com>
Message-ID: <6f6d54f70610301351r3ef4ac6hbdb3ae48c0604dac@mail.gmail.com>

ok thanks, i got that one working. Do you know how to set up my sound card?

On 10/29/06, Jack Ungerleider <jack at jacku.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday 29 October 2006 10:57 am, Mikhail Skobov wrote:
> > Does anybody know how to setup a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card for
> SuSE
> > 10.1? Thanks
> >
> > Mikhail
>
> Not knowing the chipset of that card it's tough to be certain. The most
> likely
> solution is Ndiswrapper. There some instructions on setup at:
>
>
> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Suse_Professional_9.2
>
> [Don't worry about the 9.2 reference in the URL the content mentions that
> the
> instructions have been tested and work for 10.1]
>
> Good Luck!
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Ungerleider
> jack at jacku.com
> http://www.jacku.com
>
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 17:23:26 2006
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:23:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: database filler
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wanting to test a little app I wrote against a large fake/sample
data set.  Anybody know of a good source of basic sample data (like
fake address stuff) that I could use to import?  I'm too lazy to type
100+ records out by hand.

-- 
Donovan Niesen


From rhavenn at rhavenn.net  Mon Oct 30 17:34:15 2006
From: rhavenn at rhavenn.net (Henrik Hudson)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: database filler
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610301734.15730.rhavenn@rhavenn.net>

On Monday 30 October 2006 17:23, "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com> sent a 
missive stating: 
> I'm wanting to test a little app I wrote against a large fake/sample
> data set.  Anybody know of a good source of basic sample data (like
> fake address stuff) that I could use to import?  I'm too lazy to type
> 100+ records out by hand.

Write a quick script that generates any supplied number of them for you :)

Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
rhavenn at rhavenn.net
------------------------------
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."


From rwh at visi.com  Mon Oct 30 18:13:10 2006
From: rwh at visi.com (rwh)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:13:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: database filler
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45469516.5020103@visi.com>

You'll probably still need to write a script to retrieve, parse and
input the data, but http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/ will generate
random ID information for you.

The other option would be to grab a database of public names like
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

--rick


Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I'm wanting to test a little app I wrote against a large fake/sample
> data set.  Anybody know of a good source of basic sample data (like
> fake address stuff) that I could use to import?  I'm too lazy to type
> 100+ records out by hand.
> 



From jkjones at tcq.net  Mon Oct 30 18:32:42 2006
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:32:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: database filler
In-Reply-To: <45469516.5020103@visi.com>
References: <47f4d5e70610301523u7b6cbd86wff539639aafd2db0@mail.gmail.com>
	<45469516.5020103@visi.com>
Message-ID: <454699AA.9040302@tcq.net>


> Donovan Niesen wrote:
>   
>> I'm wanting to test a little app I wrote against a large fake/sample
>> data set.  Anybody know of a good source of basic sample data (like
>> fake address stuff) that I could use to import?  I'm too lazy to type
>> 100+ records out by hand.
>>     
Want the "From:" addresses from my spam bucket?  I'm pretty sure they're 
fake.



From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Oct 30 19:40:19 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:40:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 18:37 -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> Ok ... I am in serious need of upgrading my cell phone.  Has anyone out
> there used the Treo 700p?  In particular, I would like to know if anyone
> has used it with Evolution, as I would like to do a much better job of
> scheduling work and family related activities ... since I am so absent
> minded.  
> 
I've got the 650 and it synced with earlier versions of Evolution,
however it doesn't seem to work with the udev filesystem in newer
distros.  If anyone knows how to fix this, I'm open to suggestions.


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From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 21:06:37 2006
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:06:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>

I've had my Treo 600 for over 2 years now. It used to sync with
Evolution just fine. Personally though, after two years I'm tired of
the device. I'd much rather have a bluetooth phone and bluetooth
enabled palm so on the days when I don't need the palm (weekends!) I
can just clip the phone to me, or throw the phone in my bike's bag, or
whatever.

Ah smartphone, you were cool for a time but alas no more. :)

YMMV.

-- 
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SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Oct 31 05:57:07 2006
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:57:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1162295827.22083.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

The 700p has bluetooth.  Randy

On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 21:06 -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> I've had my Treo 600 for over 2 years now. It used to sync with
> Evolution just fine. Personally though, after two years I'm tired of
> the device. I'd much rather have a bluetooth phone and bluetooth
> enabled palm so on the days when I don't need the palm (weekends!) I
> can just clip the phone to me, or throw the phone in my bike's bag, or
> whatever.
> 
> Ah smartphone, you were cool for a time but alas no more. :)
> 
> YMMV.
> 



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Oct 31 08:25:33 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:25:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Andrew Zbikowski wrote:

> I've had my Treo 600 for over 2 years now. It used to sync with 
> Evolution just fine. Personally though, after two years I'm tired of the 
> device. I'd much rather have a bluetooth phone and bluetooth enabled 
> palm so on the days when I don't need the palm (weekends!) I can just 
> clip the phone to me, or throw the phone in my bike's bag, or whatever.
>
> Ah smartphone, you were cool for a time but alas no more. :)

Treo 650 came out two years ago with Bluetooth (10/24/2004).  Of course, 
700p and 700w also have Bluetooth.  If they'll just add WiFi, I'll buy 
one!  Cellular service that includes a WiFi option is the latest craze 
(see snippet of NY Times article about T-Mobile below).

Mike



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/technology/24mobile.html

N.Y. Times
October 24, 2006

T-Mobile Tests Dual Wi-Fi and Cell Service

By KEN BELSON

Yesterday T-Mobile became the first major mobile phone carrier in the
United States to begin selling service that allows a single handset to
communicate over both cellular networks and Wi-Fi hot spots.



From sac at cheesecake.org  Tue Oct 31 09:45:58 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:45:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20061031154558.GA13538@cheesecake.org>

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 08.25.33 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> Treo 650 came out two years ago with Bluetooth (10/24/2004).  Of course, 
> 700p and 700w also have Bluetooth.  If they'll just add WiFi, I'll buy 
> one!  Cellular service that includes a WiFi option is the latest craze 
> (see snippet of NY Times article about T-Mobile below).

Are not T-Mobile in the business of maintaining their own network?

Count me out.  I'm not subleasing my network to T-Mobile unless they're
going to pay me for providing Internet service to their company.

Love,
Sidney Cammeresi,
T-Mobile subscriber (again) even though GPRS sucks

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Oct 31 10:31:12 2006
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:31:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <20061031154558.GA13538@cheesecake.org>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20061031154558.GA13538@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610311024590.10983@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 08.25.33 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Treo 650 came out two years ago with Bluetooth (10/24/2004).  Of 
>> course, 700p and 700w also have Bluetooth.  If they'll just add WiFi, 
>> I'll buy one!  Cellular service that includes a WiFi option is the 
>> latest craze (see snippet of NY Times article about T-Mobile below).
>
> Are not T-Mobile in the business of maintaining their own network?
>
> Count me out.  I'm not subleasing my network to T-Mobile unless they're 
> going to pay me for providing Internet service to their company.

Can you explain this?  I don't know what you mean.  The WiFi phone is 
supposed to work in Starbucks, some other places, and on your home WiFi 
network.  Would T-Mobile somehow use your bandwidth for things other than 
your own calls?  Is that what you are claiming?  Sorry that I don't 
understand but I am not one of the computer pros on this list.


> T-Mobile subscriber (again) even though GPRS sucks

Cheer up, Sidney -- I know it's cold outside (all of a sudden) but the sun 
is shining and great things are coming your way!  ;-)

I used to use GPRS (Verizon, then T-Mobile) but switched to Sprint because 
I wasn't happy with the reception.  I don't know if it was GPRS or the 
carrier (3+ years ago) that was the problem.  GPRS is used in many other 
countries, but my Sprint phone only works in the US, so that's a good 
thing about GPRS and I've been thinking about switching back.  What 
problems do you have with GPRS?

Mike


From sac at cheesecake.org  Tue Oct 31 11:54:40 2006
From: sac at cheesecake.org (Sidney Cammeresi)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:54:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0610311024590.10983@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20061031154558.GA13538@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610311024590.10983@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20061031175440.GA17087@cheesecake.org>

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 10.31.12 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:
> >On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 08.25.33 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> >>Treo 650 came out two years ago with Bluetooth (10/24/2004).  Of 
> >>course, 700p and 700w also have Bluetooth.  If they'll just add WiFi, 
> >>I'll buy one!  Cellular service that includes a WiFi option is the 
> >>latest craze (see snippet of NY Times article about T-Mobile below).
> >
> >Are not T-Mobile in the business of maintaining their own network?
> >
> >Count me out.  I'm not subleasing my network to T-Mobile unless they're 
> >going to pay me for providing Internet service to their company.
> 
> Can you explain this?  I don't know what you mean.  The WiFi phone is 
> supposed to work in Starbucks, some other places, and on your home WiFi 
> network.

Well there are two parts you get from a cellular operator:  network
access and PSTN origination/termination.  If I'm providing my own network
connection into T-Mobile and am not using T-Mobile's expensive GSM
network to carry my phone calls (of course, coming in over the Internet
has a non-zero cost), I should get a discount.

There is a reason why T-Mobile charge me $50/mo or whatever for 1000
minutes, but Vonage charge me $25/mo for unlimited usage:  Vonage have
lower costs.  T-Mobile want me to reduce their costs, but they don't
pass the savings along?  That's not fair.

> >T-Mobile subscriber (again) even though GPRS sucks
> 
> What problems do you have with GPRS?

Low bandwidth[1] (c 60 Kbps), high latency[2] (c 500-1000 ms) compared
to other technologies like EV-DO.

The main good thing about GPRS is that T-Mobile are not totally and
utterly brain damaged when it comes to selling data services.  I went
back to T-Mobile because they have `unlimited T-Mobile Web' for $6/mo.
What that actually means is for $6/mo, I can get unlimited, semi-crappy,
filtered Internet access from my phone via a cable or Bluetooth.  They do
unfiltered Internet for $20/mo, but that was too pricey for me.

Sprint, Verizon, et al want you to move in for like $40-80/mo for the
privilege of hitting the Internet from one computer, which is just
kooky talk because it's not cable or DSL, and I'm not going to use it
the same way.  I might go back to one of them when they grow a brain re
selling data.


[1] `slow'
[2] `laggy'
[3] most ports filtered, web works via their proxy, ssh works on alternate
    ports

-- 
Sidney CAMMERESI
http://www.cheesecake.org/sac/


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Tue Oct 31 12:21:43 2006
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Treo 700p - linking to evolution
In-Reply-To: <20061031175440.GA17087@cheesecake.org>
References: <1162168635.8662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1162258819.32325.4.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<e3a54b020610301906i193b70b5o4d453181d2b829d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610310820020.2320@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20061031154558.GA13538@cheesecake.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0610311024590.10983@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20061031175440.GA17087@cheesecake.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0610311219450.24383@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote:
> Well there are two parts you get from a cellular operator:  network 
> access and PSTN origination/termination.  If I'm providing my own 
> network connection into T-Mobile and am not using T-Mobile's expensive 
> GSM network to carry my phone calls (of course, coming in over the 
> Internet has a non-zero cost), I should get a discount.

Huh? The Wi-Fi is for web browsing.. you don't touch T-Mobile at all while 
you are Wi-Fi. IE, my new PDA has both WiFi and EDGE.. whenever I'm around 
an AP for Wi-Fi, I use that instead, since it's a heck of a lot faster.

> Sprint, Verizon, et al want you to move in for like $40-80/mo for the 
> privilege of hitting the Internet from one computer, which is just kooky 
> talk because it's not cable or DSL, and I'm not going to use it the same 
> way.  I might go back to one of them when they grow a brain re selling 
> data.

Well, at least it's a couple mbits of bandwidth from them, with lower 
latency.. I'm really looking forward to when Cingular builds their 3G 
network into the area - 3.8mbit - woohoo!

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Tue Oct 31 13:31:48 2006
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
Message-ID: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>

Hi all,

Can you split the terminal screen in vertical and horizontal regions in 
screen.  I've got a hand full of remote servers I'm working with and I'd 
like to have the screen set up like this:

---------------------
|    1    |    2    |
---------------------
|    3    |    4    |
---------------------
|       local       |
---------------------

I know you can edit files like this in vi, but can screen do the same thing?

Thanks all,
Chris Frederick



From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Oct 31 13:40:47 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:40:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
In-Reply-To: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net> 
References: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <20061031194047.1881120C0@skuld.wookimus.net>

Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net>  wrote:
> I know you can edit files like this in vi, but can screen do the same thing?

No.  Not to the best of my knowledge, anyway.  You could use emacs in
this manner, but not screen.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From nate at ima.umn.edu  Tue Oct 31 13:59:32 2006
From: nate at ima.umn.edu (Nate Sanders)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:59:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
In-Reply-To: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
References: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <4547AB24.5050700@ima.umn.edu>

You can split screen into horizontal, I'm not sure about vertical.

Chris Frederick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Can you split the terminal screen in vertical and horizontal regions in 
> screen.  I've got a hand full of remote servers I'm working with and I'd 
> like to have the screen set up like this:
>
> ---------------------
> |    1    |    2    |
> ---------------------
> |    3    |    4    |
> ---------------------
> |       local       |
> ---------------------
>
> I know you can edit files like this in vi, but can screen do the same thing?
>
> Thanks all,
> Chris Frederick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   


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==============================================
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Associate Systems Manager     (612) 624 - 4353
           http://www.ima.umn.edu/
==============================================
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University of Minnesota
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Oct 31 20:26:03 2006
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:26:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
In-Reply-To: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
References: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <1162347963.11820.5.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

You can use emacs or xemacs to do it...

On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 13:31 -0600, Chris Frederick wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Can you split the terminal screen in vertical and horizontal regions in 
> screen.  I've got a hand full of remote servers I'm working with and I'd 
> like to have the screen set up like this:
> 
> ---------------------
> |    1    |    2    |
> ---------------------
> |    3    |    4    |
> ---------------------
> |       local       |
> ---------------------
> 
> I know you can edit files like this in vi, but can screen do the same thing?
> 
> Thanks all,
> Chris Frederick
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

________________________________________________________________________
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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
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From tclug at beitsahour.net  Tue Oct 31 21:16:52 2006
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:16:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
References: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <cone.1162351012.625129.20694.1001@home>

Chris Frederick writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can you split the terminal screen in vertical and horizontal regions in 
> screen.  I've got a hand full of remote servers I'm working with and I'd 
> like to have the screen set up like this:
> 
> ---------------------
> |    1    |    2    |
> ---------------------
> |    3    |    4    |
> ---------------------
> |       local       |
> ---------------------


ratpoison is perfect for this but requires X locally.

1,2,3,4 would be Xterms sshed to the remote servers and local would be the 
local xterm.

the only thing that gets me about ratpoison is that you cannot have desktops 
per se, but you can Save window positions.

If you do not want to use X then you may want to look at twin.


From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Oct 31 23:28:21 2006
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:28:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] screen :split vertical
In-Reply-To: <cone.1162351012.625129.20694.1001@home> 
References: <4547A4A4.4020900@cdf123.net>
	<cone.1162351012.625129.20694.1001@home>
Message-ID: <20061101052821.B1E9D337D@skuld.wookimus.net>

Munir wrote:
> ratpoison is perfect for this but requires X locally.

IIRC, ratpoison is a dead project (no pun intended).  Use ion3 if you
want a screen-like window manager.  I use it daily.  Very nice.

> If you do not want to use X then you may want to look at twin.

Ah, yes.  Forgot about twin.  Screen is just so nice, though. ;-)
Perhaps you could bounce an email off the screen list and find out if
anyone is interested in making a vert split capability.  Should be
do-able.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Oct  4 15:47:00 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:00 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1163801524.30011.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

<snip sources.list>
# Use dotdeb.org for LAMP related packages not available in Sarge
deb http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org/ stable all
deb-src http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org/ stable all
</snip>

See the above article for a rather lengthy install/config guide.

HTH,

sm


On 11/17/06, G. Scott Walters <gscottwalters at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to install MySQL 5 and PHP 5 onto a fresh build of Debian
> VM. However, I can't seem to apt-get either of them to install via
> apt-get. I'm guessing that I need additional sources  in my
> source.list file.
>
> Currently, my file looks like this:
>
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
>
> any thoughts?
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Oct  4 15:47:00 2006
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:00 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1163867761.30011.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

root at 1[knoppix]# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80000000000 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9726 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        4462    35840983+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            4463        4475      104422+  83  Linux
/dev/sda3            4476        9726    42178657+  8e  Linux LVM

So when I try to mount /dev/sda3 on a mount point (say on an existing
directory /mnt/linux), mount asks for the type of filesystem. I know it's
ext3 and I specify the same. It spits an error saying that it can't find an
ext3 filesystem on /dev/sda3.

Here's the /etc/fstab on FC 5:

[root at FC5 ~]# cat /etc/fstab
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /                       ext3    defaults        1 1
LABEL=/boot             /boot                   ext3    defaults        1 2
devpts                  /dev/pts                devpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0
tmpfs                   /dev/shm                tmpfs   defaults        0 0
proc                    /proc                   proc    defaults        0 0
sysfs                   /sys                    sysfs   defaults        0 0
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
[root at FC5 ~]#

I tried mounting /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00, and it says there's no such
partition.


Any ideas on what I am doing wrong and how I can mount the "/" from Knoppix?

Thanks,
V.

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<div><font face="courier new,monospace">I am trying to mount the root filesystem of a FC 5 installation from a Knoppix Live CD. The root filesystem is setup on a logical volume.</font></div>
<div><font face="courier new,monospace"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="courier new,monospace">From Knoppix, fdisk -l gives me:</font></div>
<div><font face="courier new,monospace"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">root at 1[knoppix]# fdisk -l</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80000000000 bytes</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9726 cylinders</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
&nbsp;&nbsp; Device Boot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Start&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; End&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Blocks&nbsp;&nbsp; Id&nbsp; System</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">/dev/sda1&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4462&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 35840983+&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; HPFS/NTFS 
</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">/dev/sda2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4463&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4475&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 104422+&nbsp; 83&nbsp; Linux</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
/dev/sda3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4476&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9726&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 42178657+&nbsp; 8e&nbsp; Linux LVM</span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">So when I try to mount /dev/sda3 on a mount point (say on an existing directory /mnt/linux), mount asks for the type of filesystem. I know it's ext3 and I specify the same. It spits an error saying that it can't find an ext3 filesystem on /dev/sda3.
</span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">Here's the /etc/fstab on FC 5:</span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">[root at FC5 ~]# cat /etc/fstab</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ext3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 1</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">LABEL=/boot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /boot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ext3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 2
</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">devpts&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /dev/pts&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; devpts&nbsp; gid=5,mode=620&nbsp; 0 0</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">tmpfs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /dev/shm&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tmpfs&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 0</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
proc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /proc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; proc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 0</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">sysfs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /sys&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sysfs&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 0
</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swap&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; defaults&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 0</span><br style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">[root at FC5 ~]#</span></font></span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span></font></span></font></span>&nbsp;</div>

<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">I tried mounting /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00, and it says there's no such partition. </span></font></span>
</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">Any ideas on what I am doing wrong and how I can mount the &quot;/&quot; from Knoppix?</span></font></span>
</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"></span></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">Thanks,</span></font></span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: courier new,monospace">V.</span></font></span></div>

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