From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 1 14:43:05 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:43:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - August 8th, 2007 In-Reply-To: <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon! Date: Wed, Aug 8th Time: 6:30 - 8:00 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Note: We've lined up an interesting presentation for this month, from a TCLUG member (details below). The previously-announced Virtualization topic has been pushed out to September, where we will cover it in more detail and with more preparation. Topics: Brief intro to virtualization (5-10 minutes) Main presentation "Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance, And how to make your auditors accept it." Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg, Design Engineer, AT&T General Q&A and discussion As time may permit Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop -------- Presentation Detail -------- Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance And how to make your auditors accept it Many open source tools are available to assist in meeting many different regulatory compliance objectives including ones for PCI, SOX, and HIPAA. One of the major issues with using open source tools comes with acceptance from internal and external auditing teams. Most of these issues can be overcome with detailed documentation but for each tool discussed a solution for how we justified it to our auditors will be discussed as well. Working with your auditors to verify tools and methodologies used whether open source or not is a key element to success in passing audits and depending on your auditors they may be more or less accepting of open source. *Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg* Design Engineer, AT&T Jeremiah Cruit has been working in networking and computer security for the past 14 years. He started working with Linux and open source technologies 8 years ago and has been an advocate ever since. Jeremiah currently works at AT&T as a Design Engineer creating and managing network and security architecture for fortune 50 customers. Current certifications include CISSP, CCNP, JNCIA, RCSE (RSA), SCI (Sidewinder), and others. From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 1 16:42:26 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:42:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Sept 5th, 2007 In-Reply-To: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708011642.26898.tclug@lizakowski.com> In addition to the August 8th meeting, we also have a TCLUG meeting to announce for Wed Sept 5. Amazon.com will be giving a presentation about Amazon Web Services (AWS). Amazon has some pretty cool developer tools. On the topic of virtualization, they have EC2, which allows you to upload a Linux image to a number of virtual machines, and only pay for the machine-hours that you use. See below for details, there's a lot of good stuff. The detailed / formal agenda will be sent closer to the date. ----------- Description ------------ What's possible in a post Web 2.0 world? Innovation continues at a mind-bending pace, and this presentation will showcase some thought-provoking new directions that Web Services are headed in. The presentation will provide an overview of Amazon Web Services, including a Web Service named Mechanical Turk that allows computers to make requests of people, an online storage service, a Virtual Server service, and more. ?There will also be a demo showing how to set up the virtual server. But mostly this will be an opportunity to have a discussion about innovation and entrepreneurial tools. Amazon spent ten years developing a world-class technology and content platform that powers Amazon web sites for millions of customers every day. Most people think "Amazon.com" when they hear the word; however developers are excited to learn that there is a separate technology arm of the company, known as Amazon Web Services or AWS. Using AWS, developers can build software applications leveraging the same robust, scalable, and reliable technology that powers Amazon's retail business. AWS has now launched ten services with open APIs for developers to build applications, with the result that over 265,000 developers have registered on Amazon's developer site to create applications based on these services.. About the Speaker Mike Culver joined the Developer Relations Group of Amazon Web Services in May, 2006. Mike brings with him fifteen years of technology leadership experience, including at companies such as Microsoft. In addition Mr. Culver has a strong background running an IT organization, with over a decade of experience in the Electrical Wholesale Distribution industry. As a Web Services Evangelist at Amazon, he helps developers take advantage of disruptive technologies that are going to change the way we think about computer applications, and the way that businesses compete. From dniesen at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 07:52:45 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:52:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to keep a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that other people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen to hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/f4e66798/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 2 08:03:39 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191.10.10.1.1.1186059819.squirrel@lctn.org> > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep > a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other > people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen to > hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. There is a free windows solution on the mikro-tik web site, called "The Dude". It is very simple to set up, and discovers all your network devices on its own. You simply remove what you don't care about, and configure the type of alerts you would like to receive. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Aug 2 09:12:22 2007 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:12:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200708020912.22289.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 02 August 2007 7:52:45 am Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also > keen to hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. I am partial to ZenOSS: http://zenoss.com. It uses mostly SNMP to monitor your servers, but there are other plugins as well. Another solution I found is Hyperic HQ: http://hyperic.com. A really nice tool if you don't mind running java. -- Bret Baptist Senior Network Administrator bbaptist at iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Providing Internet Services since 1995 Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing ------------------------------------------ From dniesen at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:43:18 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708020743p53adaf1bs961c31f6d7a8d524@mail.gmail.com> On 8/2/07, Erik Anderson wrote: > > On 8/2/07, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep > > a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other > > people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen > to > > hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. > > I've been using Nagios since the Netsaint days and I've found it to be > an incredibly reliable, no nonsense network monitoring package. Every > year or so I spend a few days evaluating the various other netmon > solutions out there and I always end up coming back to Nagios. The > others seem overly complex or overly simple for my needs. > > That said, the initial install of Nagios can be somewhat of a pain. > Fortunately I've done it enough times that I can complete the install > from start to finish in about 15 minutes. Installing it for the first > time, though, can take upwards of an hour. > > -Erik > I don't mind a learning curve especially if the app is versatile and stable. I'm thinking my initial instinct to go with Nagios is a good direction. Thanks to everyone for the feedback! -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/802dd979/attachment.htm From k0sdh at visi.com Thu Aug 2 17:57:26 2007 From: k0sdh at visi.com (Steven Huntsman) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:57:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/e49ddb06/attachment.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Thu Aug 2 22:05:01 2007 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B29B5D.9090405@umn.edu> 1) You signed up for the digest which means you get messages every x amount of time instead of right when they're sent to the list. You can change settings at http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ 2) You can find Linux meeting information on this list or the web page - http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ 3) What else do you want to do on your computer? You can probably do it in Linux. The best way to learn is doing it. New software version are mostly irrelevant because major changes (that would make a book like that obsolete) come out once every few years. 4) Phoning for help? Probably not without paying someone although you can go to the #tclug IRC channel ( http://www.mn-linux.org/irc/ ) to talk about Linux issues or even if you want to vent about problems in your life. Plenty of nice people there to help you through it all, especially jima. If he doesn't answer the first time, be sure to send him a few dozen private messages, you know, to get his attention.* "Steven Huntsman" wrote: > Hello, > Is anyone there? > I sent the message copied below on July 27; > since then I have received only two messages from tclug-list at mn-linux.org > neither of which addressed my information request. > > Why don't I get at least one message per day about anything whatever > from tclug-list at mn-linux.org?? > > Is there going to be a Linux meeting at UofM in the near future? > > How does one learn to get Linux to do something useful besides email? > I have "The Official Ubuntu Book" which helps some but doesn't begin > to answer the questions. > Besides it is/was obsolete the day I bought it; they have a new > software version approx every six months. > > Is there anyone I can phone for help? > > Now for good news: I really think I like using Linux; I have > practically NO trouble with viruses of which I am aware > AND the computer crashes very, very seldom. > > Thanks for letting me vent! > Steve H. > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:00:06 -0500 > C wrote: > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > >visit > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > >'help' to > > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > >more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Opera on Linux Box (Steven Huntsman) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:26 -0500 > >From: "Steven Huntsman" > > Subject: [tclug-list] Opera on Linux Box > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > > charset=iso-8859-15 > > > > Help, > > My Linux box is running Ubuntu-V7.04 and I prefer the > >Opera browser/email > > program. > > > > However, the Opera behaves strangely; it sometimes > >downloads email > > quickly but most times it is very slow & sometimes not > >at all. > > > > How does one trouble shoot?? > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > >http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 > > ****************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > * I'm joking, put away the LART From tonyyarusso at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 22:47:08 2007 From: tonyyarusso at comcast.net (Anthony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:47:08 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B2A53C.3070501@comcast.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Steven Huntsman" wrote: > > > How does one learn to get Linux to do something useful besides email? > I have "The Official Ubuntu Book" which helps some but doesn't begin > to answer the questions. > Besides it is/was obsolete the day I bought it; they have a new > software version approx every six months. You may also want to browse around https://wiki.ubuntu.com/, https://help.ubuntu.com/, and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/, where much of what ends up in the book comes from anyway. Additionally, there is a second edition of the book now available, updated for 7.04. > > Is there anyone I can phone for help? IRC is the more common way for live help - that way you can get lots of people at once, when it's convenient for them. As mentioned before, the #tclug channel would be great, as well as larger channels specific to your issue (#ubuntu, #apache, #irssi, etc.) > > Now for good news: I really think I like using Linux; I have > practically NO trouble with viruses of which I am aware > AND the computer crashes very, very seldom. Good to hear, glad you enjoy it! > > Thanks for letting me vent! > Steve H. Tony Yarusso Ubuntu Member -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsqU76iO+5ByUi/QRAvRWAJ0YXpHNBfiXzpL2QbHjSbuI1ivckgCeKfLF P9HCtnWCtzZdPKjcD/zlpLA= =YU10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 3 22:14:38 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:14:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? Message-ID: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? I'm thinking that I would write something like this: To: %email Subject: Renewal time for services Dear %name, Would you like to renew your service? Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email for each person. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jeremy at rosengren.org Fri Aug 3 22:24:29 2007 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:24:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. > Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? > > I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > To: %email > Subject: Renewal time for services > Dear %name, > Would you like to renew your service? > > Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > for each person. > > Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 -- jeremy From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 4 07:31:25 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > > people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > > but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > > merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. > > Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? > > > > I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > > > To: %email > > Subject: Renewal time for services > > Dear %name, > > Would you like to renew your service? > > > > Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > > for each person. > > > > > Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a printer. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jeremy at rosengren.org Sat Aug 4 09:46:55 2007 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:46:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > >> Jon Schewe wrote: >> >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. >>> Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? >>> >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: >>> >>> To: %email >>> Subject: Renewal time for services >>> Dear %name, >>> Would you like to renew your service? >>> >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email >>> for each person. >>> >>> >>> >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 >> >> > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > printer. > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we obviously always trust what Google says...) You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after they're generated. As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try and came up with this: http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html -- j From tclug at lizakowski.com Sat Aug 4 12:00:44 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:00:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> If necessary, you can do it int he shell. You could probably dump the list of email addresses to a text file (or parse thunderbird's addressbook directly in the shell), then run it through awk (or eqivalent - to add the text of the letter), and pipe it to mail. Whether it's worth it depends on how many you want to send. Jeremy On Saturday 04 August 2007 9:46 am, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > >> Jon Schewe wrote: > >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized > >>> letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how > >>> to do it? > >>> > >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > >>> > >>> To: %email > >>> Subject: Renewal time for services > >>> Dear %name, > >>> Would you like to renew your service? > >>> > >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > >>> for each person. > >> > >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > > > > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > > printer. > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we > obviously always trust what Google says...) > > You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text > files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after > they're generated. > > As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try > and came up with this: > http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html > > -- j > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 4 13:04:46 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:04:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <1186250686.1647.97.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> I've thought of that. It's actually for my neighbor and she runs that other operating system that doesn't do shell stuff. I figured if we have to I'd write something for her to use, which it sounds like I might need to do. On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 12:00 -0500, Jeremy wrote: > If necessary, you can do it int he shell. You could probably dump the list of > email addresses to a text file (or parse thunderbird's addressbook directly > in the shell), then run it through awk (or eqivalent - to add the text of the > letter), and pipe it to mail. > > Whether it's worth it depends on how many you want to send. > > Jeremy > > On Saturday 04 August 2007 9:46 am, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > >> Jon Schewe wrote: > > >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > > >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > > >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > > >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized > > >>> letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how > > >>> to do it? > > >>> > > >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > >>> > > >>> To: %email > > >>> Subject: Renewal time for services > > >>> Dear %name, > > >>> Would you like to renew your service? > > >>> > > >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > > >>> for each person. > > >> > > >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > > > > > > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > > > printer. > > > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we > > obviously always trust what Google says...) > > > > You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text > > files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after > > they're generated. > > > > As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try > > and came up with this: > > http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html > > > > -- j > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 6 13:46:39 2007 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:46:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Wireless spectrum and what to do with it Message-ID: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> Hi everyone, My school district has access to some radio spectrum, and I thought some of the radio geeks on this list would have a better idea what it's good for than I do. Our access is through the Sherburne Wright Education Technology Cooperative (SW-ETC). The transmitting tower is probably going to be coming down, so realistically we'll probably be pursuing a sale or lease of the spectrum. Here's the technical detail: Call Sign WHR847 Channel Frequency G1 002644.00000?002650.00000MHz G2 002656.00000?002662.00000MHZ G3 002668.00000?002674.00000MHz G4 002680.00000?002686.00000MHz We already have fiber between all of our schools, so we don't need it for data connections. Are there any cool uses of this spectrum that we should be exploring? -Tim -- Tim Wilson, The Savvy Technologist Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog and podcast: http:// technosavvy.org From tompoe at fngi.net Mon Aug 6 14:11:31 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:11:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Wireless spectrum and what to do with it In-Reply-To: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> References: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> Message-ID: <46B77263.3060009@fngi.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My school district has access to some radio spectrum, and I thought > some of the radio geeks on this list would have a better idea what > it's good for than I do. Our access is through the Sherburne Wright > Education Technology Cooperative (SW-ETC). The transmitting tower is > probably going to be coming down, so realistically we'll probably be > pursuing a sale or lease of the spectrum. Here's the technical detail: > > Call Sign WHR847 > > Channel Frequency > G1 002644.00000?002650.00000MHz > G2 002656.00000?002662.00000MHZ > G3 002668.00000?002674.00000MHz > G4 002680.00000?002686.00000MHz > > We already have fiber between all of our schools, so we don't need it > for data connections. Are there any cool uses of this spectrum that > we should be exploring? > > -Tim > > The buzzwords here, are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datacasting - datacasting I think Australia has mytalk.com and yoursay is coming up. If I understand it right, they're exploring live, interactive tv talk shows. The last thing I would recommend, is selling the spectrum. The kids need it to work with. If the school doesn't use it, it can share it with the community PEG channel folks. They'll know how to make use of it to benefit the public. Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 11:33:04 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:33:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> I have an existing Ubuntu installation on a SATA disk and I want to add a 500GB mirrored RAID onto it for storage. I have two SATA ports on my board and then two that are seperate for a Promise FastTrak SATA RAID controller. I installed the 500GB drives on the Promise controller and set up the mirrored RAID. Now when I attempt to boot Ubuntu with the RAID controller turned on I get the following messages: ata3: disabling port md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction madm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2) sde: assuming drive cache: write through sde: assuming drive cache: write through If I disable the onboard RAID the server boots with no problem. Has anybody tried this setup before? -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/7/07, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID > controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on > most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070807/dc648cda/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 12:25:17 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:25:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708071014u46e6f9a8j5a6cede01521f99e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> <20530.1186506412@skuld.wookimus.net> <47f4d5e70708071014u46e6f9a8j5a6cede01521f99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708071025l40c24ad8l80d40bfaa6b452a5@mail.gmail.com> Found a way around it. This crazy board has two SATA RAID controllers and Ubuntu liked the Intel one much better. Booting just straight IDE off the Promise controller and doing RAID-1 off the Intel controller. Seems to be working well. On 8/7/07, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Maybe this is just my crappy SATA controllers then because I tried to just > change the Promise controller to IDE and I'm getting the same errors. Only > seems to boot when that controller is not enabled. > > It's still reading that drive because it attempts to boot from it. Would > the order the BIOS sees the drives in matter? I'm thinking that maybe by > tossing the other controller in the mix now my 120GB drive is SDD instead of > SDA? > > > On 8/7/07, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > > I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID > > controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on > > most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. > > > > > > -- > Donovan Niesen -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070807/a10caf93/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 7 12:06:52 2007 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:06:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20530.1186506412@skuld.wookimus.net> I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 8 12:17:31 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:17:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Tonight In-Reply-To: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708081217.33322.tclug@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is tonight! ? ?Date: Wed, Aug 8th ?Time: 6:30 - 8:00 ?University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230 ?200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Note: We've lined up an interesting presentation for this month, from a TCLUG member (details below). ?The previously-announced Virtualization topic has been pushed out to September, where we will cover it in more detail and with more preparation. ?Topics: ? ? ? ? Brief intro to virtualization (5-10 minutes) ? ? ? ? Main presentation ? ? ? ? ????????"Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance, ? ? ? ? ? ? ????And how to make your auditors accept it." ? ? ? ? ? ? ????Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg, Design Engineer, AT&T ? ? ? ??General Q&A and discussion ????????????????As time may permit ????????Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop -------- ?Presentation Detail -------- Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance And how to make your auditors accept it Many open source tools are available to assist in meeting many different regulatory compliance objectives including ones for PCI, SOX, and HIPAA. One of the major issues with using open source tools comes with acceptance from internal and external auditing teams. Most of these issues can be overcome with detailed documentation but for each tool discussed a solution for how we justified it to our auditors will be discussed as well. Working with your auditors to verify tools and methodologies used whether open source or not is a key element to success in passing audits and depending on your auditors they may be more or less accepting of open source. *Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg* Design Engineer, AT&T Jeremiah Cruit has been working in networking and computer security for the past 14 years. He started working with Linux and open source technologies 8 years ago and has been an advocate ever since. Jeremiah currently works at AT&T as a Design Engineer creating and managing network and security architecture for fortune 50 customers. Current certifications include CISSP, CCNP, JNCIA, RCSE (RSA), SCI (Sidewinder), and others. From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 13:09:47 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:09:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question Message-ID: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys routers, and resell them as a different product? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com Wed Aug 8 13:21:16 2007 From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:21:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of copyright violation to me. Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From canito at dalan.us Wed Aug 8 13:28:20 2007 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:28:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... Message-ID: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? Below is the original post: Here is what I found on Craisglist: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling this for $650??????? Shame on you!!!! If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... Not.... ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 From: TCLUG Classifieds Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy floater laptop around the house. misc. additional stuff - integrated bluetooth - integrated Wireless - integrated gigabit ethernet - USB 2.0 ports - firewire 400 port - firewire 800 port - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) - includes spare battery - includes system restoration disc $200 / OBO more pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ----- End forwarded message ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 13:40:34 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:40:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> admin at lctn.org wrote: > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > I can't imagine any copyright problems and if you remove Linksys from the box there shouldn't be any trademark issues either. As long as you bought the unit from Linksys/Cisco the first-sale doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#The_first-sale_doctrine_and_exhaustion_of_rights) should apply. On the other hand, depending on what mods you make to the hardware, you may need to deal with getting the appropriate paperwork through the FCC. As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer rather than relying on a mailing list. --rick From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 14:05:33 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:05:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into the transaction(s). Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. --rick canito at dalan.us wrote: > Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? > > I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact > wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? > > Below is the original post: > > Here is what I found on Craisglist: > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html > > http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ > > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > this for $650??????? > > Shame on you!!!! > > If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... > > > Not.... > > ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 > From: TCLUG Classifieds > Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds > Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) > > 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been > a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy > floater laptop around the house. > > misc. additional stuff > - integrated bluetooth > - integrated Wireless > - integrated gigabit ethernet > - USB 2.0 ports > - firewire 400 port > - firewire 800 port > - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) > - includes spare battery > - includes system restoration disc > > $200 / OBO > > more pictures here: > http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 > > > Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 14:10:32 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13984.64.8.170.129.1186600232.squirrel@lctn.org> > I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > copyright violation to me. That is why I contacted Linksys. Some feel it is an outright infringement, others don't. There are tons of modified units on the market for sale. I was hoping to get a specific idea as to what part is clearly legal, or illegal. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tompoe at fngi.net Wed Aug 8 14:04:42 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> Message-ID: <46BA13CA.8050208@fngi.net> rwh wrote: > admin at lctn.org wrote: > >> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get >> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to >> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys >> routers, and resell them as a different product? >> >> >> > I can't imagine any copyright problems and if you remove Linksys from > the box there shouldn't be any trademark issues either. As long as you > bought the unit from Linksys/Cisco the first-sale doctrine > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#The_first-sale_doctrine_and_exhaustion_of_rights) > should apply. > > On the other hand, depending on what mods you make to the hardware, you > may need to deal with getting the appropriate paperwork through the FCC. > > As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer > rather than relying on a mailing list. > > --rick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Have you looked at Meraki.net? Might spark some ideas. I think they're open source. Tom From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 14:18:41 2007 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:18:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> I agree. On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > the transaction(s). > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > --rick > > canito at dalan.us wrote: > > Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? > > > > I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact > > wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? > > > > Below is the original post: > > > > Here is what I found on Craisglist: > > > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html > > > > http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ > > > > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > > this for $650??????? > > > > Shame on you!!!! > > > > If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... > > > > > > Not.... > > > > ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- > > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 > > From: TCLUG Classifieds > > Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds > > Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > > > Category: Computer > > > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > > > Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) > > > > 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been > > a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy > > floater laptop around the house. > > > > misc. additional stuff > > - integrated bluetooth > > - integrated Wireless > > - integrated gigabit ethernet > > - USB 2.0 ports > > - firewire 400 port > > - firewire 800 port > > - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) > > - includes spare battery > > - includes system restoration disc > > > > $200 / OBO > > > > more pictures here: > > http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 > > > > > > Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/7d8aadaf/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 14:16:24 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:16:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > copyright violation to me. > > Larry Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a proprietary hardware and software design by itself. Probably has some patent coverage as well. Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, unless by agreement and marked as such. .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, approval, etc. Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. Chuck > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > get > > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > to > > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > > > -- > From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 14:41:22 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:41:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher can't stop me. Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. --rick Chuck Cole wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >> >> >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of >> copyright violation to me. >> >> Larry >> > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a proprietary > hardware and software design by itself. > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, unless > by agreement and marked as such. > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > approval, etc. > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > Chuck > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >>> >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will >>> >> get >> >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws >>> >> to >> >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? >>> >>> -- >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 8 14:24:36 2007 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:24:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <46BA1874.4050908@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 canito at dalan.us wrote: > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > this for $650??????? God bless America. - -- Andy Moore The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGuhh0iwhv4FBqkV8RAswUAJ954VLSP3dO5he4HovULWjceeCQtwCcCMU4 XoevQM59ghXhZ68pGBCPpAg= =abDW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tpenney at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 14:56:05 2007 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> References: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: <5c596d0e0708081256p5090504ep777d434fd72c2a46@mail.gmail.com> Writing in the margin of the book is one thing but what if you purchased a book and replaced the cover with one that said you wrote the book, then sold it as your own work? That seems a closer analogy to this situation. On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > can't stop me. > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > --rick > > Chuck Cole wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >> > >> > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > >> copyright violation to me. > >> > >> Larry > >> > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > proprietary > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > unless > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > approval, etc. > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >>> > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > >>> > >> get > >> > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > > > > > -- - Tom Penney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/d19a293e/attachment-0001.htm From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Aug 8 14:57:08 2007 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14)) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:57:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893A3F220@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? IANAL but I believe the first-sale doctrine limitation on copyright would apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine You would need to disclose the fact the unit had been modified or risk running afoul of TRADEMARK protection, but I don't believe they can stop you from reselling lawfully acquired equipment, modified or not. From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 14:53:58 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:53:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> Message-ID: <15849.64.8.170.129.1186602838.squirrel@lctn.org> > As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer > rather than relying on a mailing list. Absolutely! This was the kind of info I was looking for to get the ball rolling. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 15:30:35 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:30:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: rwh [mailto:rwh at visi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > individual unit. For that unit, and only that unit, and not for use as prototype of any new product. Can modify or sell that unit, but not as if it's all your design, etc. Chuck From josh at tcbug.org Wed Aug 8 15:31:47 2007 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:31:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> Pete wrote: > I agree. > > On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > > the transaction(s). > > > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > > > --rick > > Some time ago I was driving down a road, and saw a business having a going out of business sale. I stopped in to see what they had, a bunch of desktop computers and stuff. In the corner they had a cisco 1841 router with two v2 T1 DSU cards in it, and a 2950-24 switch. Feigning some disintrest I told the guy that I'd give him $150 for them both. He accepted and I paid cash and took off with them. After 3 phone calls and about 45 minutes I had the switch sold for $150 cash and the router and DSU cards sold for $900 cash. The guy buying the router from me treated me about the way I treated the guy I bought the stuff from, he was over like a shot, paid cash, was on his way. Now, I know he knew the real value of that router (closer to $1500) Even used those DSU cards go for $500 each all the time. I didn't bother telling him what I paid for it, or why I was willing to sell it cheap (that the markup I was getting was more than enough for me considering the time I had in to it) and I'm sure he wouldn't have believed me even if I told him I paid $150 for it. What is the value of a used piece of equipment? What a willing seller will accept from a willing buyer. In the case of this laptop it looks like the value changed a bit. Why do you care again exactly? -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > can't stop me. > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > --rick > > Chuck Cole wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >> > >> > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > >> copyright violation to me. > >> > >> Larry > >> > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > proprietary > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > unless > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > approval, etc. > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >>> > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > >>> > >> get > >> > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 8 16:12:14 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:12:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <200708081612.15662.tclug@lizakowski.com> If the original seller was providing a discount to promote the community, then it's worth noting that the item is to be resold for profit. Or maybe the seller didn't care, in which case it's better. The poster fits into the transaction as being part of the market. The free flow of information helps capitalism work by keeping buy/sell prices nearly equal, minus any value added. If there's no problem with making money off of lack of information, then there's no problem in someone making that information available. J On Wednesday 08 August 2007 3:31 pm, Josh Paetzel wrote: > Pete wrote: > > I agree. > > > > On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > > > the transaction(s). > > > > > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > > > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > > > > > --rick > > Some time ago I was driving down a road, and saw a business having a > going out of business sale. > > I stopped in to see what they had, a bunch of desktop computers and > stuff. In the corner they had a cisco 1841 router with two v2 T1 DSU > cards in it, and a 2950-24 switch. Feigning some disintrest I told > the guy that I'd give him $150 for them both. He accepted and I paid > cash and took off with them. > > After 3 phone calls and about 45 minutes I had the switch sold for > $150 cash and the router and DSU cards sold for $900 cash. The guy > buying the router from me treated me about the way I treated the guy I > bought the stuff from, he was over like a shot, paid cash, was on his > way. Now, I know he knew the real value of that router (closer to > $1500) Even used those DSU cards go for $500 each all the time. I > didn't bother telling him what I paid for it, or why I was willing to > sell it cheap (that the markup I was getting was more than enough for > me considering the time I had in to it) and I'm sure he wouldn't have > believed me even if I told him I paid $150 for it. > > What is the value of a used piece of equipment? What a willing seller > will accept from a willing buyer. > > In the case of this laptop it looks like the value changed a bit. Why > do you care again exactly? From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 16:24:38 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:24:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BA3496.6040409@visi.com> You're confusing the IP of the book with the physical book itself. I can go buy a book, write anything I want anywhere on it and then sell that physical copy to you. I can't print additional copies of the book. I can't assert any ownership of the copyright of the book. But for that single copy I am free to do whatever I please and the copyright holder can't interfere. I'm curious how your analysis works with something like a white-box PC. Do you really think that these shops have agreements with every component manufacturer? They don't. They buy the motherboard, memory, hard drives, etc. and build the Hole-in-the-wall Dual Core Special. This case is no different. The used Linksys units are simply inputs to his new product. For every device he sells he's buying a Linksys unit with the appropriate licensing for that unit. --rick Larry R. Pint wrote: > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! > > Larry > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- >> linux.org] On Behalf Of rwh >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM >> To: Chuck Cole >> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >> >> I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original >> unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that >> individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle >> Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's >> what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the >> margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher >> can't stop me. >> >> Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit >> > there > >> would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on >> them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had >> > been > >> mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. >> >> --rick >> From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 8 16:29:48 2007 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:29:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: <20070808212948.GD7077@iucha.net> On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:05:33PM -0500, Larry R. Pint wrote: > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! You can probably sell that _instance_. The author has been compensated. Now, there might be some other "misrepresentation" claims, if the author feels the new work shows him in a bad light. Put it some other way: would Linksys be hurt if I buy a router, remove all the electronics inside and sell the case as a router to somebody else? florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/a4cd4c2f/attachment.pgp From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 17:05:19 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:05:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry R. Pint [mailto:Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:06 PM > To: rwh; Chuck Cole > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! > > Larry I never said anything like that. Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of rwh > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM > > To: Chuck Cole > > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > > individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > > can't stop me. > > > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit > there > > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had > been > > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > > > --rick > > > > Chuck Cole wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > >> > > >> > > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > > >> copyright violation to me. > > >> > > >> Larry > > >> > > > > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > > proprietary > > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > > unless > > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > > approval, etc. > > > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > >>> > > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I > will > > >>> > > >> get > > >> > > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other > laws > > >>> > > >> to > > >> > > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used > Linksys > > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: > 8/7/2007 4:06 PM > > From bob.hartmann at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:06:30 2007 From: bob.hartmann at gmail.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:06:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki admin job- contract Message-ID: OMG, I wanted to go for this, but I'm already committed. She asked me if I knew anyone with Wiki experience and said it would be OK if I sent her address around a little. Apparently, "Wiki" doesn't get a lot of search hits on Dice. Contact Molly 952.546.3300 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/4a0aa0f5/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Aug 9 21:41:24 2007 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:41:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue Message-ID: I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this is an issue with the PIX. Right now via a VPN I can not access the server, yet if I Remote Desktop to another server I can SSH in. I see nothing in the way of configuration or services that could be blocking this. Of course the most obvious is that the Opensuse has a firewall running denying non-local IPs....except this is not the case, the firewall is currently disabled to rule this issue out. Sean Waite -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/adff601a/attachment.htm From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Aug 9 22:29:56 2007 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > is an issue with the PIX. Are you missing the default gateway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Aug 9 23:44:21 2007 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:44:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. Sean Waite -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson To: Sean Waite Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > is an issue with the PIX. Are you missing the default gateway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com [http://www.natecarlson.com/] | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/0d8e3138/attachment.htm From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Aug 10 06:50:21 2007 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:50:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070810065021.fn4hyfh9ajrsck8c@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Sean Waite : > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It appears > that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the outside > world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from the VPN. > Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can ping the server > from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN IPs to different > servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this is an issue with the > PIX. > > Right now via a VPN I can not access the server, yet if I Remote Desktop to > another server I can SSH in. I see nothing in the way of configuration or > services that could be blocking this. Of course the most obvious is that the > Opensuse has a firewall running denying non-local IPs....except this is not > the case, the firewall is currently disabled to rule this issue out. > > Sean Waite > Did the default route get borked? That's what it sounds like most to me, it can be accessed just fine from the LAN, but anytime something needs to go through the gateway you get nada. A quick `route -n` should let you know if that is the case. Josh From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Aug 10 06:51:30 2007 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:51:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070810065130.dqgw2yaedmlsosss@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond ... Quoting Sean Waite : > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to start, or > had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took a look at the > adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for default route. > Although this solves the current issue, I am now more concerned how this > could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but really this is the kind > of weird things that happens to Windows. > > Sean Waite > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson > > To: Sean Waite > > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue > > > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > >> I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > >> appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > >> outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > >> the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > >> ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > >> IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > >> is an issue with the PIX. > > > > Are you missing the default gateway? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com > [http://www.natecarlson.com/] | > > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Aug 10 10:47:36 2007 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to > start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took > a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for > default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more > concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but > really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. Well, have you checked the network config to ensure that it's there? I don't have much OpenSuSe experience, so can't tell you exactly where to check. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jeruvin at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 12:54:46 2007 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:54:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> MySQL server running redhat at an offsite co-location. I would like to have a local server with an updated (live?) copy of the data that is currently on the co-location server. The database is well over 40GB with changes daily only being about 120MB. It seems like a VPN solution could link the two sites. What would I do for the server to have them synchronize? Would there be any difficulties in keeping the two server synced if connectivity dropped for any reason (hardware, internet, etc...). Any direction or help is appreciated. Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070810/73d09e38/attachment.htm From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 13:49:50 2007 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:09:03 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:09:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. How current does the remote location need to be? Brock On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > 0 rows returned > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeruvin at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:36:35 2007 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:36:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection is a good one, but you never know what will happen. jason On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: > > At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the > connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone > unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. > > How current does the remote location need to be? > > Brock > > On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > > > > -- > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > 0 rows returned > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070810/25f03523/attachment.htm From marc at e-skinner.net Fri Aug 10 14:49:37 2007 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BCC151.4000806@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i havn't tried mysql 5.x but with 4.x a master/slave replica should work just fine - as long as you have bin-logging turned on. when the master can't see the slave, it just logs locally, then when it can see the slave, it dumps all the changes to it. it seems to work fine for me. i would also suggest using OPENVPN for the SSL VPN between sites, i used this in a similar situation and it was an extremely stable solution and could easily handle the 45mb DS3 we were trying to push to the main site - - just make sure you change the config from UDP to TCP for the SSL tunnel protocol - that worked a bit better for us. jason reynolds wrote: > I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). > > If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. > When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was > looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection > is a good one, but you never know what will happen. > jason > > On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: >> At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the >> connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone >> unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. >> >> How current does the remote location need to be? >> >> Brock >> >> On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: >>> Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? >>> >>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html >>> >>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us >>> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; >>> 0 rows returned >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGvMFRvE9HrEfeE4cRAuEiAJ9mPw/lbO1VOwTFOaQnxSWhIAwWlgCghS9t LBb9RHtHfDUD/7lLZGZvy5E= =j5Df -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 15:48:26 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:48:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> In 4, its a pain to restart replication as writes have to be stopped. Binary logs have to copied over and then restarted. I heard google submitted some changes to improve replication though. Maybe its better now. Daily would be very easy as you could simply write a bash script to scp a db dump over. Brock On 8/10/07, jason reynolds wrote: > I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). > > If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. > When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was > looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection > is a good one, but you never know what will happen. > jason > > > On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: > > At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the > > connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone > > unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. > > > > How current does the remote location need to be? > > > > Brock > > > > On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > > > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > > > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > > 0 rows returned > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 10 16:14:31 2007 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:14:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <10386.1186780471@skuld.wookimus.net> It is a pain to restart an application after writes are so far out of sync it cannot catch-up. However, MySQL should be able to operate well under most downtime conditions. The exception to this is if you try to do a fault-event takeover. Both the slave and master are capable of writing to the database, but the slave writes just never make it up-stream. If you have a master/slave relationship, then the only way to really have a slave-takeover-for-master scenario is to break any slave conditions until you can manually start them up again. For example, we're using ucarp to multicast/coordinate an IP address takeover scheme. If for some reason the slave takes over as master, I force it to drop all knowledge it had of being a slave. Should the master server come back up, it wouldn't try to re-sync from the point it left off. If the master notices itself being downgraded to a slave, I have it shut down and refuse to come back up until I've had a chance to re-sync it with the current master. Having the old master sync with the new is possible to script, but you need a backup snapshot and information about the binlog (location and position). I will need to write such an application soon, and plan to do it in something like perl or python. The reason being is that you must keep your mysql sessions open while placing read locks on the tables. If your session ends, the locks are cleared. Trying to do this in portable shell is a challenge. The locks are only necessary while taking your backup (or while you create your LVM snapshot) and retrieving the "show master status" data. Once the backup is made, you're in the clear. One thing I did notice is that you can run a FLUSH LOGS style command to generate a new binlog with a predictable file position. So, it is scriptable, just need to do the work to make it happen. I can't that I've successfully found such a script on the net yet. Chad From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 16:20:23 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:20:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101420i74fcf73cm21a1c6995c493bb1@mail.gmail.com> Woops, looks like you missed the list. This is good information. As I remember my slave kept losing its internet connection due some config problems on the U network and it did not take long before it could not recover. However, this was 3+ years ago... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chad Walstrom Date: Aug 10, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations To: Brock Noland It is a pain to restart an application after writes are so far out of sync it cannot catch-up. However, MySQL should be able to operate well under most downtime conditions. The exception to this is if you try to do a fault-event takeover. Both the slave and master are capable of writing to the database, but the slave writes just never make it up-stream. If you have a master/slave relationship, then the only way to really have a slave-takeover-for-master scenario is to break any slave conditions until you can manually start them up again. For example, we're using ucarp to multicast/coordinate an IP address takeover scheme. If for some reason the slave takes over as master, I force it to drop all knowledge it had of being a slave. Should the master server come back up, it wouldn't try to re-sync from the point it left off. If the master notices itself being downgraded to a slave, I have it shut down and refuse to come back up until I've had a chance to re-sync it with the current master. Having the old master sync with the new is possible to script, but you need a backup snapshot and information about the binlog (location and position). I will need to write such an application soon, and plan to do it in something like perl or python. The reason being is that you must keep your mysql sessions open while placing read locks on the tables. If your session ends, the locks are cleared. Trying to do this in portable shell is a challenge. The locks are only necessary while taking your backup (or while you create your LVM snapshot) and retrieving the "show master status" data. Once the backup is made, you're in the clear. One thing I did notice is that you can run a FLUSH LOGS style command to generate a new binlog with a predictable file position. So, it is scriptable, just need to do the work to make it happen. I can't that I've successfully found such a script on the net yet. From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 10 23:51:36 2007 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:51:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708102351.37400.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 10 August 2007 10:47 am, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to > > start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took > > a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for > > default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more > > concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but > > really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. > > Well, have you checked the network config to ensure that it's there? I > don't have much OpenSuSe experience, so can't tell you exactly where to > check. > I do. 8^) Not sure how it would have gotten lost. The easiest way to set the default gateway on SuSE is to go into YaST and select Network Services. Then open Routing from there and enter your default gateway. -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Aug 15 01:53:39 2007 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:53:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Install Fest This Saturday August 18th. Message-ID: <46C2A2F3.7000205@Goecke-Dolan.com> Linux Install Fest August 18, 2007 From 10:00 to 4:00 at TIES in the Grand Hall (Above the parking garage) (A/C and Wi-Fi included) We will be able to install most Linux version, and should be able to download any Linux version you need. Please download a install poster and post to your favorite coffee shop, work, where ever Linux interested people may be! More info at http://www.PenguinsUnbound.org Hope to see you there! ==>brian. From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 11:37:44 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:37:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Message-ID: Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/47b2e7ae/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 11:49:24 2007 From: tonyyarusso at comcast.net (Anthony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:49:24 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C32E94.9070605@comcast.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Dunnette wrote: > Hey all- > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's > Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was > wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea > -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? > > Thanks, > Brian Dunnette > bdunnette at gmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I think it would be super cool, so if you have the time and resources go for it. I have been getting involved with the St. Vincent de Paul charity's thrift store in Minneapolis, which resells or donates old computers. I've been working on making a customized version of Xubuntu for them, but it's been sort of slow going because I'm fairly busy already. That might be a good outlet to team up with for the resale portion, although we'd need to add more on the safe disposal front. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwy6T6iO+5ByUi/QRAsuAAJ9WR/kHGFX1EgVXjJh8a//H5NkVyQCdEF/n s5FaaZ0Q2kPjlSZC11Dw43M= =LkGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From canito at dalan.us Wed Aug 15 11:59:35 2007 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:59:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Brian, List: I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! I am up for it, have extra equipment to use and would donate my time! Am not sure how well this flows with people since we're all busy adults. Sure we have very smart people with experience business experience! My .02 cents David Now that I remember. There is a gentleman who frequents TCLUG who builds computers with Linux and sells them in a thrift store were he volunteers. Quoting Brian Dunnette : > Hey all- > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek > (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, > the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious > reasons it won't work? > > Thanks, > Brian Dunnette > bdunnette at gmail.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From kjh at flyballdogs.com Wed Aug 15 12:07:46 2007 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:07:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <18270.148.87.1.172.1187197666.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com> Doesn't the guy who founded FreeGeek in Portland live in the Twin Cities now? -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com Wed Aug 15 13:00:27 2007 From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.com for more information. Larry Pint (TCPC member since about 1984) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dunnette Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/8e54aea2/attachment.htm From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:00:45 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:00:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: David- Thanks for the support! Yes, time would be the biggest constraint for me, too -- I know some Free Geek affiliates, such as Free Geek Chicago ( http://freegeekchicago.org/) are only open a couple of days a week, so maybe this would be a place to start... -Brian D. On 8/15/07, canito at dalan.us wrote: > > Brian, List: > > I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a > building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would > be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! > > I am up for it, have extra equipment to use and would donate my time! > > Am not sure how well this flows with people since we're all busy > adults. Sure we have very smart people with experience business > experience! > > My .02 cents > > David > > Now that I remember. There is a gentleman who frequents TCLUG who > builds computers with Linux and sells them in a thrift store were he > volunteers. > > > > > Quoting Brian Dunnette : > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek > > (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what > you, > > the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- > suggestions? Obvious > > reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/cbe017e3/attachment.htm From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:05:07 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: > > The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where > people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to > different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.comfor more information. > > > > Larry Pint > > (TCPC member since about 1984) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Dunnette > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM > *To:* TCLUG List > *Subject:* [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering > what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? > Obvious reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Yeah, I agree -- though there are quite a few technology centers in the Cities (http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), they seem to be mostly libraries, and mostly in Minneapolis, so there's probably room for more! Anyone have recommendations for a community organization that might be able to help with a space? I was wondering if someplace like the Green Institute (http://www.greeninstitute.org/) might be sympathetic... -Brian D. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Benjamin Gramlich" To: "Kathryn Hogg" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? I'd help out, both with time, equipment, and maintenance. Maybe the way to get started is to partner with a community center or church that could provide a public space and storage. I loe the idea of FreeGeek, and would love to see something like this in the TC area. I used to hang out at many of the Dunn Bros. in downtown minneapolis, and their computers were almost always taken. Also, if you go to the library you'll see the same thing. There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Brian Dunnette" To: "Larry R. Pint" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: > > The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where > people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to > different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.comfor more information. > > > > Larry Pint > > (TCPC member since about 1984) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] * On Behalf Of *Brian Dunnette > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM > *To:* TCLUG List > * Subject:* [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek ( http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering > what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? > Obvious reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/450212e4/attachment.htm From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 14:43:14 2007 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <487249.1590.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Might be a good question for the Nonprofit_tech_talk mailing list... http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/nonprofit_tech_talk Brian Dunnette wrote: Yeah, I agree -- though there are quite a few technology centers in the Cities (http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), they seem to be mostly libraries, and mostly in Minneapolis, so there's probably room for more! Anyone have recommendations for a community organization that might be able to help with a space? I was wondering if someplace like the Green Institute (http://www.greeninstitute.org/ ) might be sympathetic... -Brian D. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Benjamin Gramlich" To: "Kathryn Hogg" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? I'd help out, both with time, equipment, and maintenance. Maybe the way to get started is to partner with a community center or church that could provide a public space and storage. I loe the idea of FreeGeek, and would love to see something like this in the TC area. I used to hang out at many of the Dunn Bros. in downtown minneapolis, and their computers were almost always taken. Also, if you go to the library you'll see the same thing. There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Brian Dunnette" To: "Larry R. Pint" < Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.com for more information. Larry Pint (TCPC member since about 1984) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dunnette Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek ( http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never been in it, and not sure what exactly they cover, but it might be a very good spot to go to begin a conversation about beefing up current organizations instead of starting a new one in parallel. I believe it's on Chicago near HCMC, not sure of the name. -jth From bdunnette at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 11:37:14 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:37:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <914f813c0708160758l307eb791yeee2965faab967fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> <914f813c0708160758l307eb791yeee2965faab967fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John- Thanks for the tip -- don't want to unnecessarily duplicate too much effort! I checked on a list of local CTCs ( http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), but didn't see anything near HCMC -- anyone know of any more specifics (contact info?) on this organization? Thanks, Brian D. On 8/16/07, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > On 8/15/07, canito at dalan.us wrote: > > Brian, List: > > > > I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a > > building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would > > be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! > > FYI, there is a community technology center of sorts in downtown > Minneapolis. I've never been in it, and not sure what exactly they > cover, but it might be a very good spot to go to begin a conversation > about beefing up current organizations instead of starting a new one > in parallel. I believe it's on Chicago near HCMC, not sure of the > name. > > -jth > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hoffoss" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > To: "TCLUG List" > Message-ID: > <914f813c0708160758l307eb791yeee2965faab967fd at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 8/15/07, canito at dalan.us wrote: > >> Brian, List: >> >> I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a >> building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would >> be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! >> > > FYI, there is a community technology center of sorts in downtown > Minneapolis. I've never been in it, and not sure what exactly they > cover, but it might be a very good spot to go to begin a conversation > about beefing up current organizations instead of starting a new one > in parallel. I believe it's on Chicago near HCMC, not sure of the > name. > > -jth > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:37:14 -0500 > From: "Brian Dunnette" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > To: "John T. Hoffoss" > Cc: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John- > > Thanks for the tip -- don't want to unnecessarily duplicate too much > effort! I checked on a list of local CTCs ( > http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), but didn't see anything near HCMC -- > anyone know of any more specifics (contact info?) on this organization? > > Thanks, > Brian D. > > > On 8/16/07, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > >> On 8/15/07, canito at dalan.us wrote: >> >>> Brian, List: >>> >>> I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a >>> building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would >>> be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! >>> >> FYI, there is a community technology center of sorts in downtown >> Minneapolis. I've never been in it, and not sure what exactly they >> cover, but it might be a very good spot to go to begin a conversation >> about beefing up current organizations instead of starting a new one >> in parallel. I believe it's on Chicago near HCMC, not sure of the >> name. >> >> -jth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mpls., http://www.arisebookstore.org) *>WHAT IS THIS?!:* We are building a citywide network of Teleports (linux-based computer kiosks) where people can check Twin Cities Indymedia (http://www.twincities.indymedia.org) for news and views from the grassroots, upload their own stories, and surf the Internet for free. *>WHAT ELSE:* 9:00 Film Screening: "i" the movie (http://ithefilm.com/), a meditation on the relationship between media and power as it is manifested by the worlds largest all volunteer network of media activists --- Indymedia. The feature-length documentary follows the first year of a small collective in Buenos Aires as it struggles amidst assassinations, a collapsing economy, and a whirlwind of political upheaval. *>COST:* Donations requested to cover the cost of the event and raise money for building more Teleports > for more information, visit *www.twincities.indymedia.org* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070816/51e483ca/attachment.htm From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 14:01:35 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:01:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: need help from witnesses of bridge collapse Message-ID: I have been helping this structural engineering professor from UC-Berkeley to get information about the bridge collapse: http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~astaneh/ He is a really great guy who did a huge amount of work on the WTC collapse and he is one of the world's greatest experts on steel structures. Still, he can't get close to the bridge to study it -- it is being guarded very carefully, even from the scrutiny of prominent experts. We are learning to take photos from a distance, which might be adequate, but he is also trying to get in touch with eye witnesses who can tell him what they saw and heard at the time. So if any of you were there when the bridge collapsed, or you know someone who was there (or can get in touch with such a person), and they would be willing to talk with Professor Astaneh, please reply to this message and let me know. You can call my cell phone if you like: 612-387-8150. I should mention that Dr. Astaneh is very sensitive to the needs of survivors and witnesses of disasters and he has been one of the heroes of the WTC families searching for answers. Thanks very much. Mike P.S. I am helping Astaneh because I work right next to the bridge and have been observing a few things. Here is a web page I made about the bridge: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/bridge/ I still don't know if that "construction gash" was important in causing the collapse, but Dr. Astaneh believes it is a very important piece of information. From itwontdie at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 16:05:21 2007 From: itwontdie at gmail.com (itwontdie at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:05:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Thank You! Message-ID: <20070820210521.GA14772@epidemic> I would like to publicly thank Conroy Consulting for believing in me and finding me a Linux job! Even though i have no IT experience or formal Linux schooling. I responded to an email they sent to the tclug-jobs mailing list with the only requisite being "a true love for Linux"! I encourage others to get in contact with Conroy Consulting via their web site! http://conroyconsult.com/ -- Ryan Rodriguez Learn GNU/Linux with free shell access! http://infectious.cc/ From drue at therub.org Mon Aug 20 16:35:31 2007 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:35:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <20070820210521.GA14772@epidemic> References: <20070820210521.GA14772@epidemic> Message-ID: <20070820213531.GD49336@therub.org> On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:05:21PM -0500, itwontdie at gmail.com wrote: > I would like to publicly thank Conroy Consulting for believing in me > and finding me a Linux job! Even though i have no IT experience or > formal Linux schooling. I responded to an email they sent to the > tclug-jobs mailing list with the only requisite being "a true love for > Linux"! I encourage others to get in contact with Conroy Consulting > via their web site! http://conroyconsult.com/ > -- > Ryan Rodriguez Congratulations, and welcome to the other side! FWIW, your email headers were probably the clincher :) > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Dan From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Aug 21 18:36:03 2007 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:36:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200708212336.l7LNa3932466@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Internet Exposure Garage Sale! We are purging our ever more crowded workroom of server and network equipment, so we will be having a "garage sale" at the new Internet Exposure offices. We have a ton of older server and workstation equipment that we are selling for very cheap, no warranties of course :-). First come first serve basis. Here's a highlight of what will be available: Dual P3 933 Mhz, 1GB RAM 3 128.GB SCSI Server Dual P3 750Mhz, 1.5G RAM 17.5GB SCSI Server P3 600mhz 512MB RAM 20G HD (workstation) Athlon 900 512 MB RAM 40GB HD (workstation) (2) Sun Cobalt-2 1U rackmount servers (1) 24 port managed Cisco 2924 10/100 switch (2) 16 port 10/100 switch (2) 24 port 10/100 switch (2) Larscom AccessT T1 CSU/DSU (2) Cisco MC3810 DSL/Access router (3) Cisco 2501 router (3) D-link 802.11g WAP (8) 36GB WD Raptor SATA HD (4) Atlas 10k RPM SCA SCSI 9.2GB Various SCSI and PATA drives Canon L75 Laser Printer/Fax AGP video cards (nVidia FX5200, and slower) Bunch of PC100 and PC133 SDRAM 10/100 PCI network cards (ie 3c905b and c) 20+ workstations and servers P2 and faster, up to about Athlon XP 1800 Location: 1101 Washington Ave S Second Floor Minneapolis, MN 55415 Use the middle back door, signs will be up. Map: http://tinyurl.com/3ya7yw Date: 23 August, 04:00-07:00 PM. Seller Email address: tech at iexposure dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Aug 21 18:51:38 2007 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:51:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708211851.39780.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Friday 10 August 2007 10:47, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to > > start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took > > a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for > > default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more > > concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but > > really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. > > Well, have you checked the network config to ensure that it's there? I > don't have much OpenSuSe experience, so can't tell you exactly where to > check. > Late reply due to I have been very busy. Not sure how you maintain your routing / default gateway but you could/should use yast for it. Go into yast and to your network devices / network cards and there is a routing option which has a section for your default gateway. Check your log files from around the time you noticed it happen. Were any updates running? Was there anyone else on the machine? Etc. From tonyyarusso at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 21 23:43:02 2007 From: tonyyarusso at ubuntu.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:43:02 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu LoCo Team for MN Message-ID: <46CBBED6.4070205@ubuntu.com> Hey everybody, I just wanted to announce that we have recently started a LoCo (local community) team for users of the Ubuntu distribution. In case you aren't familiar with the idea, a LoCo is somewhat similar to a LUG, but with a few key differences: * It focuses on a particular distribution only (in this case, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu) * There is often more focus on localization, as it's easier to get average users involved in developing things like artwork for a distribution than larger things like the Linux kernel itself * Within the United States, we are organized on a state-wide level, rather than by city I've heard of some issues arising with other LoCos/LUGs stemming from silly misunderstandings at the outset, so I want to clarify right away that "LoCos are not meant to replace existing LUGS, but instead to complement them" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups). We would appreciate having members of existing LUGs who use or are interested in Ubuntu joining our LoCo, and will be strongly encouraging our members to be involved in local LUGs where applicable. Additionally, I am not sure if there are local teams for any other distributions in the area (or something like it), but if you are aware of any we would be interested in a level of collaboration where appropriate with them as well, likely organized through the umbrella organization of LUGs on the city level (not sure on state), so let me know if you are part of one. We do have a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam, which will be used for the following: * Maintaining a more detailed list of member information separate from the official roster on Launchpad (see below) - I would encourage you to list yourself here as well, so we have a better handle on who people are. It's also a very good idea to make a corresponding personal wiki page, especially if you are going to get more involved with Ubuntu in the future (see mine for an example) * Eventually morph into a web site of sorts, to be linked to a domain name later * Keep a calendar of events * List goals, plans, brainstorms, etc. for possible activities of the team * Well, it's a wiki, so if you have other things to add, go for it Please take a look at this if you're want to know more of what we're all about and what we may be thinking about doing as a team. The team's official membership roster and tracking of contributions is handled on Launchpad, at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-minnesota. Joining the team at this time requires creating a Launchpad account (which you will also need to edit the wiki). There are plans for eventual OpenID support, but no timeline on that yet. Membership doesn't mean anything more than "I reside in Minnesota and like Ubuntu, and thought this would be cool to be a part of". I will technically speaking have to "approve" you, but this is just a formality to keep track of things - don't feel like you need to meet some lengthy set of requirements to apply. Making your e-mail address visible here is optional, but I'd suggest you do, so that I have a way to contact you if necessary for administrative stuff. Finally, we have three major communication media set up for general interaction with the team, event planning, technical support, etc. These are: * Mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn * Forum: http://minnesota.ubuntuforums.org/ * IRC: #ubuntu-minnesota on Freenode You probably know the drill with how all of that works. For the few folks who may be less familiar with the IRC medium, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat. Well, that was a bit of a novel, but I think I got all of the important information covered! I am subscribed to all three of these LUG lists, so if you have any questions you can reply to me on-list or off. Hope to see any Ubuntu users (or the Ubuntu-curious) around! - Tony Yarusso Ubuntu Minnesota LoCo Team Contact From josh at tcbug.org Wed Aug 22 11:35:52 2007 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu LoCo Team for MN In-Reply-To: <46CBBED6.4070205@ubuntu.com> References: <46CBBED6.4070205@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20070822163552.GF83613@tcbug.org> Tony Yarusso wrote: > > Well, that was a bit of a novel, but I think I got all of the important > information covered! I am subscribed to all three of these LUG lists, > so if you have any questions you can reply to me on-list or off. Hope > to see any Ubuntu users (or the Ubuntu-curious) around! > > - Tony Yarusso > Ubuntu Minnesota LoCo Team Contact Am I welcome if I'm gaybuntu-curious? -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070822/2978b005/attachment.pgp From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 11:36:59 2007 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:36:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu LoCo Team for MN In-Reply-To: <46CBBED6.4070205@ubuntu.com> References: <46CBBED6.4070205@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0708220936q68411db9oa697a5f61f7acb91@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/07, Tony Yarusso wrote: > Hey everybody, I just wanted to announce that we have recently started a > LoCo (local community) team for users of the Ubuntu distribution. In > case you aren't familiar with the idea, a LoCo is somewhat similar to a > LUG, but with a few key differences: > * It focuses on a particular distribution only (in this case, > Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu) > * There is often more focus on localization, as it's easier to get > average users involved in developing things like artwork for a > distribution than larger things like the Linux kernel itself > * Within the United States, we are organized on a state-wide level, > rather than by city I'm intrigued, good luck in your endeavor. Does this LoCo also encompass Debian? I don't use Ubuntu for reasons that need not be explained here, but I have found that often Ubuntu issues exist in Debian and vice versa. -Brian From blueninja83 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 15:02:20 2007 From: blueninja83 at yahoo.com (David T. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Intership in MN? Message-ID: <314998.89705.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings all, I apologize for asking this on the list, but considering it is a Linux list, and I'm majoring in a computer-related major at college I figured I'd ask here. I hope that no one minds. Here's the situation. I'm a computer science (programmer) undergraduate (with about a year left until I graduate with my BS) at the University of Central Florida (UCF) but this next semester I'll be in Minnesota. During my stay in Minnesota I was hoping to be able to intern at a company to obtain some technical experience in the work force. I'll be staying with family around Hopkins MN. I don't have any real world experiene in the computer field, only what I gained in the classroom and on my own personal experiences. My resume is sparse because of this reason, but I do have good technical writing skills, and am confortable speaking in front of an audience. I wrote the beap-cf.org website as well as serving as the secretary for the LUG at UCF http://www.lugatucf.org Hence I really am just looking for a way to gain experience in the technical industry. If anyone knows of anyway to help me in this please let me know. If anyone knows of any way I could find an intership preferably within driving distance of Hopkins, please let me know. Thank you all for your time and consideration. Sincerely, David T. Harris ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Aug 23 21:33:20 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:33:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving Message-ID: I am interested in a Linux FOSS solution, by the way. I need a way to search through old email messages quickly and efficiently. I would use this for listserv archives and, I hope, for personal email. I think the best approach would be to create a database containing every message. Every field would be individually searchable (From:, CC:, To:, message body, header, attachments). Someone must have developed something that can parse a collection of messages this way using mysql or somesuch. Anyone know? I'm not sure how search results should be displayed but one option would be to use accession numbers to allow display of HTML (a la MHonArc, say) or the original text of the full message. I can think of some neat tricks that should be possible (e.g., generate mbox on the fly), but I don't know if this has been done. The data could be stored in the database only and messages could be reconstructed from it, or individual messages could be stored as files (MH format) and the database could return links to those files in response to a search. I have some experience using MHonArc to make this kind of archive... http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/sscpnet/20070724_digest/threads.html ...and I have used WebGlimpse to search them: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/bgnews/ But I'm sure there are far better ways by now. I put that stuff together back in the late 1990s. Threading is an important issue and I haven't thought about that enough. It could be handled by linking to a threaded archive like the MHonArc archive I just showed. What are your experiences? Mike From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 23 22:18:01 2007 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:18:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070824031801.GV10422@iucha.net> On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:33:20PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > I am interested in a Linux FOSS solution, by the way. > > I need a way to search through old email messages quickly and efficiently. > I would use this for listserv archives and, I hope, for personal email. Have you tried http://swish-e.org/ or http://www.namazu.org/ ? Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If memory serves it's a Java app so maybe that's your cup of tea. I'd check out Florin's recommendations first. So far grep and sylpheed have served me well. :) Josh From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Aug 24 01:43:07 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:43:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: <20070824031801.GV10422@iucha.net> References: <20070824031801.GV10422@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:33:20PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >> I am interested in a Linux FOSS solution, by the way. >> >> I need a way to search through old email messages quickly and efficiently. >> I would use this for listserv archives and, I hope, for personal email. > > Have you tried http://swish-e.org/ or http://www.namazu.org/ ? Thanks for the tips. I haven't tried swish in about 10 years, but I did use it way back then. It looks like it has come a long way. I've never tried namazu. They look like good engines but I wonder if they allow for email-specific kinds of queries. For example, if I want to find every message where "jones" (case insensitive) is found in the cc field and "linux" is found in the message body, will they allow for that? I think they treat messages as files and could only go so far as to find messages that contain both terms jones and linux without regard to the part of the message the terms are in. This would be much like WebGlimpse (or a little better than that), which I have been using for a few years. I'm looking for something that has special email-specific features and is not a general file-searching engine. The namazu HTML filters are a step in the right direction and maybe the MHonArc and pipermail filters are even better. Namazu might be really nice for searching though all sorts of files on your Linux box, kinda like Google Desktop in Windows. It doesn't seem to be quite what I'm looking for, but that might not exist. Thanks again! Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Aug 24 01:56:38 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:56:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: <20070823232859.22d36312@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20070823232859.22d36312@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Josh Trutwin wrote: > A while back I looked at this very thing and didn't find much - one > thing I ALMOST liked was Zoe: http://zoe.nu/ But it appears to be dead. > I think I've been on their ML for the last year+ and have only seen > about 4 posts. If memory serves it's a Java app so maybe that's your > cup of tea. Looks interesting but pretty simple. The single search box implies that it probably can't search within different fields of the email message. From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 08:23:18 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:23:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem Message-ID: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know how to do this? ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:53:52 2007 From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:53:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > how to do this? I don't really have an answer for you, but have you tried to open it in multiple pdf viewers? Maybe its just a viewer bug that's causing it to appear blank? Alternately if OOo has a 'print to file' option that generates a postscript file, perhaps you could try that and then convert the resulting postscript file to pdf? -- jonner From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 24 09:03:32 2007 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:03:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> To print a document to PDF, OpenOffice.org should have a button in the toolbar to do so. Additionally, if you install the Xprint packages, it should make a PDF printer available to you for any application. I believe the Xprint packages are KDE/Gnome agnostic and should work with any X11 desktop. From rwh at visi.com Fri Aug 24 09:19:00 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CEE8D4.10603@visi.com> Mike Miller wrote: > I am interested in a Linux FOSS solution, by the way. > There's Google Desktop for Linux although I don't remember what their long term plan is for releasing source. My guess is that they have enough proprietary stuff packed into it that source isn't very likely. --rick From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Fri Aug 24 09:18:26 2007 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:18:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: <20070824031801.GV10422@iucha.net> Message-ID: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893B7D98E@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> > I need a way to search through old email messages quickly and efficiently. > I would use this for listserv archives and, I hope, for personal email. Perl is very fast at matching arbitrary expressions. > For example, if I want to find every message where > "jones" (case insensitive) is found in the cc field and "linux" is found > in the message body, will they allow for that? Let's assume every message contains the string "Subject:" terminated by a new line (\n) and, when present, "CC:" also ends with a new line. Anything following that would be message body until the next message, starting with the "Date:" string. Something like =~ m/Subject:.*?\n.*?CC:.*?jones.*?\n.*?linux.*?Date:/gis might work. Other, more interesting, patterns might be "jones" and "linux" within 250 characters of each other. =~ m/jones.[0,250]linux/gis Would get half of them - we need another match for linux preceding jones. > Suppose you are searching for "Mike Jones" and your message happens to > look like this: > You really ought to talk to Mike > Jones about that issue. > Well, with Mike and Jones on two different lines, it won't match. > We need something that allows us to handle the newline appropriately. I've handled this in perl by reading a multi-line string into a variable, then using the s option to match as a single line (so . matches \n) - see http://perldoc.perl.org/perlreref.html =~ m/Mike\s*\n*\s*Jones/gis Should do the trick. From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 09:25:10 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:25:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1187965510.27712.21.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 09:03 -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > To print a document to PDF, OpenOffice.org should have a button in the > toolbar to do so. Additionally, if you install the Xprint packages, it > should make a PDF printer available to you for any application. I > believe the Xprint packages are KDE/Gnome agnostic and should work with > any X11 desktop. Yeah, I'm using that button in OpenOffice.org. As far as Xprint, OpenOffice doesn't pick up the PDF printer as it uses it's own print dialog, rather than the gnome one. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://www.mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 09:24:08 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:24:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1187965448.27712.19.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 08:53 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > > how to do this? > > I don't really have an answer for you, but have you tried to open it > in multiple pdf viewers? Maybe its just a viewer bug that's causing > it to appear blank? I've been using evince, I'll try another one. > Alternately if OOo has a 'print to file' option that generates a > postscript file, perhaps you could try that and then convert the > resulting postscript file to pdf? That's what I did for now. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://www.mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 24 09:57:27 2007 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:57:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893B7D98E@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893B7D98E@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20070824145727.GW10422@iucha.net> On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 09:18:26AM -0500, Smith, Craig A wrote: > > I need a way to search through old email messages quickly and > efficiently. > > I would use this for listserv archives and, I hope, for personal > email. > > Perl is very fast at matching arbitrary expressions. > > > > For example, if I want to find every message where > > "jones" (case insensitive) is found in the cc field and "linux" is > found > > in the message body, will they allow for that? > > Let's assume every message contains the string "Subject:" terminated by > a new line (\n) and, when present, "CC:" also ends with a new line. Let's not. Read RFC2822 section 2.2.3 Long Header Fields . > Anything following that would be message body until the next message, > starting with the "Date:" string. Something like > > =~ m/Subject:.*?\n.*?CC:.*?jones.*?\n.*?linux.*?Date:/gis > > might work. Read the RFC... Then adjust for morons who don't, but write e-mail programs. florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070824/a3fac42c/attachment.pgp From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Fri Aug 24 09:54:46 2007 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:54:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: <20070823232859.22d36312@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20070824095446.A25872@belka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 01:56:38AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > Ever try "grepmail"? It's great for mbox files: > > http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/ > > Still falls way short for many uses. Simple example: Suppose you are > searching for "Mike Jones" and your message happens to look like this: > > You really ought to talk to Mike > Jones about that issue. > > Well, with Mike and Jones on two different lines, it won't match. We need > something that allows us to handle the newline appropriately. Well grepmail can do perl regexps, so you could do: grepmail -E '$email =~ /Mike Jones/s' /var/spool/mail/user This would match your example. The . with the s modifier at the end will match newlines. Of course you have to remember to use . instead of space in your search expressions. Maybe you could write wrapper to grepmail or use gtkgrepmail (though I haven't used that). Anyway, I am not sure that grepmail really meets your needs, but it can deal with newlines. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From kaze0010 at umn.edu Fri Aug 24 10:04:13 2007 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: 24 Aug 2007 10:04:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: If this is OpenOffice on Windows, I'd use the PDFCreator virtual printer. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ -hk On Aug 24 2007, Chad Walstrom wrote: >To print a document to PDF, OpenOffice.org should have a button in the >toolbar to do so. Additionally, if you install the Xprint packages, it >should make a PDF printer available to you for any application. I >believe the Xprint packages are KDE/Gnome agnostic and should work with >any X11 desktop. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 10:43:26 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:43:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1187970206.27712.33.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> No, it's Linux. On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 10:04 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > If this is OpenOffice on Windows, I'd use the PDFCreator virtual printer. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > > -hk > > On Aug 24 2007, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > >To print a document to PDF, OpenOffice.org should have a button in the > >toolbar to do so. Additionally, if you install the Xprint packages, it > >should make a PDF printer available to you for any application. I > >believe the Xprint packages are KDE/Gnome agnostic and should work with > >any X11 desktop. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://www.mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tclug at beitsahour.net Fri Aug 24 10:58:14 2007 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:58:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1187970206.27712.33.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> <1187970206.27712.33.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > No, it's Linux. then try the cups-pdf virtual printer From bbaptist at iexposure.com Fri Aug 24 11:59:53 2007 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:59:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200708212336.l7LNa3932466@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200708212336.l7LNa3932466@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200708241159.53520.bbaptist@iexposure.com> We will be having the computer equipment garage sale again today. Same bat time, same bat channel. I have included the full part list below. Sorry for the Classified Ads abuse. Bret. ---------Part list---------- Hard Drive WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA WD Raptor 36.7GB SATA Maxtor 6G PATA Samsung 15.3G PATA Quantum 9.1G SCSI Quantum 9.1G SCSI Quantum 9.1G SCA Quantum 9.2G SCA Quantum 9.2G SCA Quantum 9.2G SCA Quantum 9.2G SCA IBM 9.8G SCSI IBM 9.8G SCSI Workstation K6-III 400 384M Duron 750 no RAM/PSU Athlon 900 256M no PSU P3 1000 512M 40G Duron 750 256M Duron 1200 no RAM/PSU SATA Duron 800 128M P3 600 256M/Dual VGA/20G Server Dual P2 400 Xeon 1GB P3 533 768MB/SCSI Athlon 900 512M 40G Celeron 533 384M no PSU Ppro 200 64M SCSI P2 266 128M SCSI P3 933 1GB/3x18.2G SCSI P2 350 128M 4.55G/SCSI Dual P3 750 1.5G 17.5GB/SCSI P3 600 512M 20G Dual P3 866 Cobalt Raq-2 Cobalt Raq-2 2U Case Network Equip Cisco MC3810 DSL Router Cisco MC3810 DSL Router Larscom T1 DSU/CSU Larscom T1 DSU/CSU 24 port 10/100 switch 24 port 10/100 switch Cisco 2501 router Cisco 2501 router Cisco 2501 router 25 port 10/100 hub 8 port 10/100 switch Graphics Cards Matrox G55 Voodoo 3 3000 Voodoo 3 1000 NV FX5200 NV FX5200 Matrox MGA PCI Ati Rage PRO Network Cards D-link 10/100 3Com 3C905B 3Com 3C905B 3Com 3C905B 3Com 3C905B 3Com 3C905C 10/100 Ethernet/BNC/Serial Intel Pro 100S Memory PC-100 64MB 64MB 128MB 256MB PC-133 128MB 128MB 128MB 128MB Other D-link 802.11g WAP D-link 802.11g WAP DSL Modem/Router UPS / Dead Gateway 56K Modem Adaptec 2940 SCSI Controller Adaptec 2940 SCSI Controller Creative CT4810 Creative CT4810 Creative CT4810 Socket 462 Motherboard P3 866 on Motherboard KVM On Tuesday 21 August 2007 6:36:03 pm TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Internet Exposure Garage Sale! > > We are purging our ever more crowded workroom of server and network > equipment, so we will be having a "garage sale" at the new Internet > Exposure offices. We have a ton of older server and workstation equipment > that we are selling for very cheap, no warranties of course :-). First > come first serve basis. Location: 1101 Washington Ave S Second Floor Minneapolis, MN 55415 Use the middle back door, signs will be up. Map: http://tinyurl.com/3ya7yw Date: 24 August, 04:00-07:00 PM. -- Bret Baptist Senior Network Administrator bbaptist at iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Providing Internet Services since 1995 Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing ------------------------------------------ From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 14:17:05 2007 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:17:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82f04dc40708241217ge5b32b4s4fd52b97d44f04ab@mail.gmail.com> If you looking to roll your own using a search engine that can handle all of the complex queries that you want to run, I can't recommend Lucene highly enough. This would be suited to the task far better than a sql database. http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/ What would be left to you is writing code to turn your e-mail into appropriately structured lucene "documents" - to feed into the indexer. Dan From sberry at northlc.com Fri Aug 24 16:35:52 2007 From: sberry at northlc.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:35:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] needing some help with a rewrite rule for Apache Message-ID: <003001c7e696$c37e0f90$6801a8c0@Scott> Hello there, My name is Scott I am fairly new to the list. I am looking for some help if anyone has some expertise in this area. I need a rewrite rule for Apache on a F7 box that rewrites www.pilotalk.com/drupal to www.pilotalk.com. Can anyone help me out here please? Scott From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Aug 24 16:39:39 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:39:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40708241217ge5b32b4s4fd52b97d44f04ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <82f04dc40708241217ge5b32b4s4fd52b97d44f04ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Dan Armbrust wrote: > If you looking to roll your own using a search engine that can handle > all of the complex queries that you want to run, I can't recommend > Lucene highly enough. This would be suited to the task far better than > a sql database. > > http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/ > > What would be left to you is writing code to turn your e-mail into > appropriately structured lucene "documents" - to feed into the indexer. That sounds excellent! That concept of preprocessing to make fields for the search engine is just what I was hoping to find. I can use perl or whatever to prep the email messages. Even better, someone else will do it for me. Funny -- the guy I quoted last night who had written about Zo? also wrote this article after he dumped Zo? in favor of Lucene 6 months later: http://webservices.xml.com/pub/a/ws/2003/05/13/email.html Mike From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 17:08:48 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:08:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1187965448.27712.19.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1187965448.27712.19.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1187993328.12379.54.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 09:24 -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 08:53 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > > > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > > > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > > > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > > > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > > > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > > > how to do this? > > > > I don't really have an answer for you, but have you tried to open it > > in multiple pdf viewers? Maybe its just a viewer bug that's causing > > it to appear blank? > I've been using evince, I'll try another one. Ok, evince, kpdf, kghoseview and xpdf don't work, but acroread does for reading. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 17:23:09 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:23:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <28528.1187964212@skuld.wookimus.net> <1187970206.27712.33.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1187994189.12379.60.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 10:58 -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > No, it's Linux. > > then try the cups-pdf virtual printer Can't say I know how to set that up. Can you point me at some docs? I've got a print to PDF option in my gnome print dialog, but it doesn't show up in OpenOffice when I goto print. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 17:33:03 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:33:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] needing some help with a rewrite rule for Apache In-Reply-To: <003001c7e696$c37e0f90$6801a8c0@Scott> References: <003001c7e696$c37e0f90$6801a8c0@Scott> Message-ID: <1187994783.12379.62.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 16:35 -0500, Scott wrote: > Hello there, > > My name is Scott I am fairly new to the list. I am looking for some help if > anyone has some expertise in this area. > > I need a rewrite rule for Apache on a F7 box that rewrites > www.pilotalk.com/drupal to www.pilotalk.com. Can anyone help me out here > please? > This should work. RedirectMatch ^/drupal$ / ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From s.earl.martin at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 18:43:21 2007 From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:43:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > how to do this? The toolbar button bypasses the options dialog (see the OO.org help under "PDF Export" for more). You can use "File"->"Export as PDF" to get an options dialog after you choose the output file. There's a checkbox for "Create PDF Form" in the "General" tab which, when disabled, should spit out the contents of the form instead of trying to make a form which can be filled out by users (which seems to be acroread-specific). sm From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 18:51:34 2007 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:51:34 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use gmail to collect all my mailing lists. Why reinvent the wheel? :-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Aug 24 20:53:20 2007 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:53:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070825015320.GA7169@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 06:51:34PM -0500, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > I use gmail to collect all my mailing lists. Why reinvent the wheel? :-) To scratch an itch? Kelly KB0GBJ From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:57:17 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:57:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: <20070825015320.GA7169@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070825015320.GA7169@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708241957p7a8b1bfaiae119f643f4117bb@mail.gmail.com> A wheel seems like an awfully strange thing to scratch with. Unless, of course, its one of the knobby wheels. They do pretty well. On 8/24/07, Kelly Black wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 06:51:34PM -0500, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > I use gmail to collect all my mailing lists. Why reinvent the wheel? :-) > > To scratch an itch? > > Kelly > KB0GBJ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 22:38:53 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:38:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1188013133.12379.67.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 18:43 -0500, Sam Martin wrote: > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > > how to do this? > > The toolbar button bypasses the options dialog (see the OO.org help > under "PDF Export" for more). You can use "File"->"Export as PDF" to > get an options dialog after you choose the output file. There's a > checkbox for "Create PDF Form" in the "General" tab which, when > disabled, should spit out the contents of the form instead of trying > to make a form which can be filled out by users (which seems to be > acroread-specific). I believe the option you're referring to is "submit forms in format" and the choices are "PDF", "FDF", "HTML", "XML". I have tried all of these and there is no difference. I believe these have to do with once you've filled in the form, how does it get sent back through the web. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Aug 24 22:57:20 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:57:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Thanks to Brian et al and TIES for a great Installfest!! Message-ID: The Installfest last Saturday was one of the very best in TCLUG history, in my opinion. The facility and parking are clearly the best of all, so some haven't been bad. Their server had every distro anybody asked for, and their internet pipe is one of the biggest or best in the Twin Cities. Brian and others did an excellent job of helping, and it was nice that some young family members could attend and have plenty of extra romping space. The TIES site has first class spaces for meetings and presentations also. Looked like more than 3 concurrent and fully supported sessions could easily be supported with separate glass-walled rooms each with projectors, pipes, and power. I look forward to more meetings and sessions at TIES. Many thanks to Brian and crew and TIES for letting us use the space !! Chuck Buying the right computer and getting it to work properly is no more complicated than building a nuclear reactor from wristwatch parts in a darkened room using only your teeth. - Dave Barry From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Aug 24 23:13:12 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:13:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] searchable email archiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > I use gmail to collect all my mailing lists. Why reinvent the wheel? :-) I have been using Pine for a long time on a Solaris box. My next step will be to fully drop Solaris, finally, and get everything on Linux. At some time I'll want to drop Pine too. Stallman told me to use Emacs for email (what would you expect from him?!) and I just might try that. Meanwhile, I also do something that you are doing: Everything coming into my Solaris box gets forwarded straight to Gmail before any spam filtering. All outgoing messages are Bcc'd to Gmail. So I have that nice backup on Gmail and it has great spam filtering, is very fast, and it is also very fast on searches. Gmail lacks some important flexibility in searches though. For example, you can't search for terms in the header nor can you filter based on header strings. So if someone bcc's a message to a mail list, Gmail won't filter it correctly. You could do it correctly if Gmail allowed you to deal with header strings such as this one: List-Id: TCLUG Mailing List For me, the main reason for current interest is that I have 12 years of email postings from a scientific society listserv that need to be archived and made avaialble to members. I can't do that on Gmail, sadly, so I'll have to use something else. Mike From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Aug 25 00:47:02 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:47:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT FW: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) Message-ID: an old gem some may enjoy... -----Original Message----- Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 Subject: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) For you you poet wannabees ... SUPPOSE EDGAR ALLAN POE HAD USED A COMPUTER Once upon a midnight dreary, fingers cramped and vision bleary, System manuals piled high and wasted paper on the floor, Longing for the warmth of bed sheets, Still I sat there, doing spreadsheets: Having reached the bottom line, I took a floppy from the drawer. Typing with a steady hand, I then invoked the SAVE command And waited for the disk to store, Only this and nothing more. Deep into the monitor peering, long I sat there wond'ring, fearing, Doubting, while the disk kept churning, turning yet to churn some more. "Save!" I said, "You cursed PC! Save my data from before!" One thing did the phosphors answer, only this and nothing more, Just, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" Was this some bizarre illusion? Some maniacal intrusion? These were choices undesired, ones I'd never faced before. Carefully, I weighed the choices as the disk made impish noises. The cursor flashed, insistent, waiting, baiting me to type some more. Clearly I must press a key, choosing one and nothing more, >From "Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore?" With my fingers pale and trembling Slowly toward the keyboard bending, Longing for a happy ending, hoping all would be restored, Praying for some guarantee Timidly I pressed a key. But on the screen there still persisted words appearing as before. Ghastly grim they blinked and taunted, haunted, as my patience wore, Saying "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" I tried to catch the chips off-guard -- I pressed again, but twice as hard. I pleaded with the cursed machine: I begged and cried and then I swore. Now in desperation, trying random combinations, Still there came the incantation, just as senseless as before. Cursor blinking, angrily winking, blinking nonsense as before. Reading, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" There I sat, distraught, exhausted by my own machine accosted Getting up I turned away and paced across the office floor. And then I saw a dreadful sight: a lightning bolt cut through the night. A gasp of horror overtook me, shook me to my core. The lightning zapped my previous data, lost and gone forevermore. And no "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" To this day I do not know The place to which lost data go. What dreaded nether world is wrought where all lost data will be stored? Beyond the reach of mortal souls? Beyond the ether? In black holes? But sure as there is C, Pascal, and Lotus, Ashton-Tate and more, One day you'll be left to wonder, data trying to restore, "Will I see it nevermore?" Author Unknown --- Chuck Cole One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a fine picture and, if it were possible, speak a few reasonable words. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) From hbaskets at earthlink.net Sat Aug 25 01:01:30 2007 From: hbaskets at earthlink.net (hbaskets) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:01:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT FW: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CFC5BA.1000209@earthlink.net> I'm impressed! Heather Poe Chuck Cole wrote: > an old gem some may enjoy... > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 > Subject: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) > > For you you poet wannabees ... > > > SUPPOSE EDGAR ALLAN POE HAD USED A COMPUTER > > Once upon a midnight dreary, fingers cramped and vision bleary, > System manuals piled high and wasted paper on the floor, > Longing for the warmth of bed sheets, > Still I sat there, doing spreadsheets: > Having reached the bottom line, > I took a floppy from the drawer. > Typing with a steady hand, I then invoked the SAVE command > And waited for the disk to store, > Only this and nothing more. > > Deep into the monitor peering, long I sat there wond'ring, fearing, > Doubting, while the disk kept churning, turning yet to churn some more. > "Save!" I said, "You cursed PC! Save my data from before!" > One thing did the phosphors answer, only this and nothing more, > Just, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > Was this some bizarre illusion? Some maniacal intrusion? > These were choices undesired, ones I'd never faced before. > Carefully, I weighed the choices as the disk made impish noises. > The cursor flashed, insistent, waiting, baiting me to type some more. > > Clearly I must press a key, choosing one and nothing more, > >From "Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > With my fingers pale and trembling > Slowly toward the keyboard bending, > Longing for a happy ending, hoping all would be restored, > Praying for some guarantee > Timidly I pressed a key. > But on the screen there still persisted words appearing as before. > Ghastly grim they blinked and taunted, haunted, as my patience wore, > Saying "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > I tried to catch the chips off-guard -- > I pressed again, but twice as hard. > I pleaded with the cursed machine: I begged and cried and then I swore. > Now in desperation, trying random combinations, > Still there came the incantation, just as senseless as before. > Cursor blinking, angrily winking, blinking nonsense as before. > Reading, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > There I sat, distraught, exhausted by my own machine accosted > Getting up I turned away and paced across the office floor. > And then I saw a dreadful sight: a lightning bolt cut through the night. > > A gasp of horror overtook me, shook me to my core. > The lightning zapped my previous data, lost and gone forevermore. > And no "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > To this day I do not know > The place to which lost data go. > What dreaded nether world is wrought where all lost data will be stored? > Beyond the reach of mortal souls? Beyond the ether? In black holes? > But sure as there is C, Pascal, and Lotus, Ashton-Tate and more, > One day you'll be left to wonder, data trying to restore, > "Will I see it nevermore?" > > Author Unknown > > > > --- > Chuck Cole > > One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, > see a fine picture and, if it were possible, speak a few reasonable words. > > - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From s.earl.martin at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 08:33:33 2007 From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:33:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: <1188013133.12379.67.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1188013133.12379.67.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 18:43 -0500, Sam Martin wrote: > > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > > > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > > > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > > > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > > > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > > > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > > > how to do this? > > > > The toolbar button bypasses the options dialog (see the OO.org help > > under "PDF Export" for more). You can use "File"->"Export as PDF" to > > get an options dialog after you choose the output file. There's a > > checkbox for "Create PDF Form" in the "General" tab which, when > > disabled, should spit out the contents of the form instead of trying > > to make a form which can be filled out by users (which seems to be > > acroread-specific). > > I believe the option you're referring to is "submit forms in format" and > the choices are "PDF", "FDF", "HTML", "XML". I have tried all of these > and there is no difference. I believe these have to do with once you've > filled in the form, how does it get sent back through the web. Nope, on my install of OO.org 2.2.0 (an up-to-date ubuntu feisty box, for the record), it's "Create PDF Form," although you may also specify the submit method. Perhaps you're on a different version? sm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 25 13:03:06 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:03:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenOffice problem In-Reply-To: References: <1187961798.12379.45.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1188013133.12379.67.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1188064986.12379.78.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 08:33 -0500, Sam Martin wrote: > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 18:43 -0500, Sam Martin wrote: > > > On 8/24/07, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Ok, here's a challenge. I've got an OpenOffice form that I use for > > > > maintenance requests for my townhouse. I fill in the form fields and > > > > save the document in OpenOffice format and when I open it everything is > > > > ok. Now I want to save it as a PDF so that people without OpenOffice > > > > can open it (ie. the management company). Whenever I do export to PDF I > > > > get the blank form, rather than the filled in form. Does anyone know > > > > how to do this? > > > > > > The toolbar button bypasses the options dialog (see the OO.org help > > > under "PDF Export" for more). You can use "File"->"Export as PDF" to > > > get an options dialog after you choose the output file. There's a > > > checkbox for "Create PDF Form" in the "General" tab which, when > > > disabled, should spit out the contents of the form instead of trying > > > to make a form which can be filled out by users (which seems to be > > > acroread-specific). > > > > I believe the option you're referring to is "submit forms in format" and > > the choices are "PDF", "FDF", "HTML", "XML". I have tried all of these > > and there is no difference. I believe these have to do with once you've > > filled in the form, how does it get sent back through the web. > > Nope, on my install of OO.org 2.2.0 (an up-to-date ubuntu feisty box, > for the record), it's "Create PDF Form," although you may also specify > the submit method. Perhaps you're on a different version? Ahh, yes. I have 2.0. (Stock opensuse 10.2). ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Sat Aug 25 17:14:27 2007 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:14:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT FW: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1188080067.3292.1207272679@webmail.messagingengine.com> He wouldn't have received that error message if he were using Linux instead of DOS. ----- Original message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: "TCLUG-List" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:47:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT FW: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) an old gem some may enjoy... -----Original Message----- Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 Subject: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) For you you poet wannabees ... SUPPOSE EDGAR ALLAN POE HAD USED A COMPUTER Once upon a midnight dreary, fingers cramped and vision bleary, System manuals piled high and wasted paper on the floor, Longing for the warmth of bed sheets, Still I sat there, doing spreadsheets: Having reached the bottom line, I took a floppy from the drawer. Typing with a steady hand, I then invoked the SAVE command And waited for the disk to store, Only this and nothing more. Deep into the monitor peering, long I sat there wond'ring, fearing, Doubting, while the disk kept churning, turning yet to churn some more. "Save!" I said, "You cursed PC! Save my data from before!" One thing did the phosphors answer, only this and nothing more, Just, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" Was this some bizarre illusion? Some maniacal intrusion? These were choices undesired, ones I'd never faced before. Carefully, I weighed the choices as the disk made impish noises. The cursor flashed, insistent, waiting, baiting me to type some more. Clearly I must press a key, choosing one and nothing more, >From "Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore?" With my fingers pale and trembling Slowly toward the keyboard bending, Longing for a happy ending, hoping all would be restored, Praying for some guarantee Timidly I pressed a key. But on the screen there still persisted words appearing as before. Ghastly grim they blinked and taunted, haunted, as my patience wore, Saying "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" I tried to catch the chips off-guard -- I pressed again, but twice as hard. I pleaded with the cursed machine: I begged and cried and then I swore. Now in desperation, trying random combinations, Still there came the incantation, just as senseless as before. Cursor blinking, angrily winking, blinking nonsense as before. Reading, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" There I sat, distraught, exhausted by my own machine accosted Getting up I turned away and paced across the office floor. And then I saw a dreadful sight: a lightning bolt cut through the night. A gasp of horror overtook me, shook me to my core. The lightning zapped my previous data, lost and gone forevermore. And no "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" To this day I do not know The place to which lost data go. What dreaded nether world is wrought where all lost data will be stored? Beyond the reach of mortal souls? Beyond the ether? In black holes? But sure as there is C, Pascal, and Lotus, Ashton-Tate and more, One day you'll be left to wonder, data trying to restore, "Will I see it nevermore?" Author Unknown --- Chuck Cole One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a fine picture and, if it were possible, speak a few reasonable words. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sun Aug 26 11:15:58 2007 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:15:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] handling email with fetchmail and procmail Message-ID: <19AF6511-27AC-42FA-99A2-73131A3AD341@visi.com> Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out how I can make fetchmail and procmail work together with RT, our trouble ticketing system at work. I'd like to use procmail in this process because we're going to need to start doing some spam filtering on our incoming help requests. Here's what I've got so far: # cat /etc/fetchmailrc set daemon 60 #set syslog # Get mail for RT queues poll staffmail.buffalo.k12.mn.us proto pop3: username help password mysecretpasswd nokeep mda "/usr/bin/ procmail -d %T" So as far as I can tell, that should grab the mail and send it through procmail for processing. I know the mail retrieval works because I've been using this same script up until now with a different "mda" to send the mail messages right into RT. In my /etc/procmailrc I've got: # cat /etc/procmailrc # Set some variables PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/rt3/bin LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail.log SHELL=/bin/sh URL=https://support.buffalo.k12.mn.us/rt/ # Route standard "help" messages to RT :0: * ^From.*help |rt-mailgate --queue Incidents --action correspond --url $URL This procmail recipe should deliver any message addressed to the help address to "rt-mailgate" which is RT's email processor. I'm not sure what the problem is. Mail sent to the help address never appears in RT, and I don't get anything logged in /var/log/ procmail.log either. (root owns the procmail.log file) Any suggestions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson, The Savvy Technologist Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog and podcast: http:// technosavvy.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Aug 26 15:22:22 2007 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:22:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200708262022.l7QKMMX02719@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Cleaning house I'm cleaning house and have some stuff that is going in the trash if no one wants it. Not all is computer-related. Everything is free, pickup in Coon Rapids or Plymouth. Take the spaces out of the picture links (classifieds interface doesn't allow long words) Zalman aluminum radial-type heatsink w/ 60-80mm adapter and 80mm fan. Used on athlon xp 1600, compatible with P4s also (I think). Picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos /20485326 at N00/1242148637/ 120mm case fan, working pull from a Mac G4, odd (not standard PC) power connector, but that is easily remedied. (for parts) Samsung YP-T8 512MB MP3 player. Was trying to repair headphone jack, fat fingers, unsoldered something I shouldn't have. Still powers up and plays, but no sound. Cateye Strada bicycle computer. Wire leads to sensor were snapped off, repaired with electrical tape and worked last year. 8 plastic stacking box corners, ordered for speaker project but they were too big Picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos /20485326 at N00/1242148409/ Black/Charcoal Speaker box carpet, approx. 2sq. yd. Seller Email address: john4293 at umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From sberry at northlc.com Sun Aug 26 18:43:31 2007 From: sberry at northlc.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:43:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] another question about some more html goodies bugzilla this time Message-ID: <000301c7e83a$edb55660$6801a8c0@Scott> Hello there again, Now I want to set bugzilla up so that I can have customers for our web site enter bugs and we can track them. I have a bugzilla.conf file here and have changed it a bit. Do I need to do a virtual host for this or just let it rock and roll? Here is what the bugzilla.cdonf file looks like with changes in the alias as John had suggested yesterday. Alias /bugzilla /var/www/html/bugzilla AddHandler cgi-script .cgi Options +Indexes +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks DirectoryIndex index.cgi AllowOverride Limit Scott From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Mon Aug 27 09:02:55 2007 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:02:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] handling email with fetchmail and procmail In-Reply-To: <19AF6511-27AC-42FA-99A2-73131A3AD341@visi.com> References: <19AF6511-27AC-42FA-99A2-73131A3AD341@visi.com> Message-ID: <20070827090255.A28652@belka.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 11:15:58AM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm trying to figure out how I can make fetchmail and procmail work > together with RT, our trouble ticketing system at work. I'd like to > use procmail in this process because we're going to need to start > doing some spam filtering on our incoming help requests. Here's what > I've got so far: > In my /etc/procmailrc I've got: > > # cat /etc/procmailrc > > # Set some variables > PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/rt3/bin > LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail.log > SHELL=/bin/sh > URL=https://support.buffalo.k12.mn.us/rt/ > > # Route standard "help" messages to RT > :0: > * ^From.*help > |rt-mailgate --queue Incidents --action correspond --url $URL > > This procmail recipe should deliver any message addressed to the help > address to "rt-mailgate" which is RT's email processor. > > I'm not sure what the problem is. Mail sent to the help address never > appears in RT, and I don't get anything logged in /var/log/ > procmail.log either. (root owns the procmail.log file) Nothing jumps out at me immediately, though I haven't used fetchmail in ages. Since nothing at all appears in the procmail log, my guess is that it is a fetchmail problem. While you are debugging this, though, you should have: VERBOSE=on in the procmailrc. I would try the fetchmail part manually instead of using the daemon to test things, and then get the daemon working. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 09:33:50 2007 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT FW: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579c6fd30708270733n39c9b0bew7d7aa5f745b70dc9@mail.gmail.com> Wow... I was really confused until I read the whole message. I read Poe as Power over Ethernet. Nice poem anyway! Eric On 8/25/07, Chuck Cole wrote: > an old gem some may enjoy... > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 > Subject: If Poe hadda had a PC (drivel) > > For you you poet wannabees ... > > > SUPPOSE EDGAR ALLAN POE HAD USED A COMPUTER > > Once upon a midnight dreary, fingers cramped and vision bleary, > System manuals piled high and wasted paper on the floor, > Longing for the warmth of bed sheets, > Still I sat there, doing spreadsheets: > Having reached the bottom line, > I took a floppy from the drawer. > Typing with a steady hand, I then invoked the SAVE command > And waited for the disk to store, > Only this and nothing more. > > Deep into the monitor peering, long I sat there wond'ring, fearing, > Doubting, while the disk kept churning, turning yet to churn some more. > "Save!" I said, "You cursed PC! Save my data from before!" > One thing did the phosphors answer, only this and nothing more, > Just, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > Was this some bizarre illusion? Some maniacal intrusion? > These were choices undesired, ones I'd never faced before. > Carefully, I weighed the choices as the disk made impish noises. > The cursor flashed, insistent, waiting, baiting me to type some more. > > Clearly I must press a key, choosing one and nothing more, > >From "Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > With my fingers pale and trembling > Slowly toward the keyboard bending, > Longing for a happy ending, hoping all would be restored, > Praying for some guarantee > Timidly I pressed a key. > But on the screen there still persisted words appearing as before. > Ghastly grim they blinked and taunted, haunted, as my patience wore, > Saying "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > I tried to catch the chips off-guard -- > I pressed again, but twice as hard. > I pleaded with the cursed machine: I begged and cried and then I swore. > Now in desperation, trying random combinations, > Still there came the incantation, just as senseless as before. > Cursor blinking, angrily winking, blinking nonsense as before. > Reading, "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > There I sat, distraught, exhausted by my own machine accosted > Getting up I turned away and paced across the office floor. > And then I saw a dreadful sight: a lightning bolt cut through the night. > > A gasp of horror overtook me, shook me to my core. > The lightning zapped my previous data, lost and gone forevermore. > And no "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" > > To this day I do not know > The place to which lost data go. > What dreaded nether world is wrought where all lost data will be stored? > Beyond the reach of mortal souls? Beyond the ether? In black holes? > But sure as there is C, Pascal, and Lotus, Ashton-Tate and more, > One day you'll be left to wonder, data trying to restore, > "Will I see it nevermore?" > > Author Unknown > > > > --- > Chuck Cole > > One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, > see a fine picture and, if it were possible, speak a few reasonable words. > > - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Jeremy at lizakowski.com Mon Aug 27 11:46:36 2007 From: Jeremy at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:46:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Sept 5 with Amazon.com In-Reply-To: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708271146.36997.Jeremy@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon! Virtualization was voted the most popular topic at the monthly meetings. In response, we found a speaker that has an interesting take on virtualization: Mike Culver from Amazon.com will be visiting TCLUG to give a presentation on their scalable computing platform and web services! This includes a service called EC2. EC2 allows you to upload a special Linux image (based on Xen I believe), and run it on a cluster. You can rent the cluster by the boxen-hour, and the servers can dynamically allocate machines themselves (e.g. a webserver cluster can increase it's size to adapt to traffic). The presentation will also cover a storage clustering service, the Amazon Mechanical Turk, and other topics. It should be very interesting. The description below has full details. Date: Wed, Sept 5th Time: 6:30 - 8:00 pm University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Topics: Intro Main presentation Amazon Web Services (scalable computing) Mike Culver, Web Services Evangelist, Amazon.com (AWS) General Q&A and discussion As time may permit Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop Links: aws.amazon.com/ec2 aws.amazon.com/s3 aws.amazon.com/mturk ----------- Detailed Description ------------ What's possible in a post Web 2.0 world? Innovation continues at a mind-bending pace, and this presentation will showcase some thought-provoking new directions that Web Services are headed in. The presentation will provide an overview of Amazon Web Services, including a Web Service named Mechanical Turk that allows computers to make requests of people, an online storage service, a Virtual Server service, and more. There will also be a demo showing how to set up the virtual server. But mostly this will be an opportunity to have a discussion about innovation and entrepreneurial tools. Amazon spent ten years developing a world-class technology and content platform that powers Amazon web sites for millions of customers every day. Most people think "Amazon.com" when they hear the word; however developers are excited to learn that there is a separate technology arm of the company, known as Amazon Web Services or AWS. Using AWS, developers can build software applications leveraging the same robust, scalable, and reliable technology that powers Amazon's retail business. AWS has now launched ten services with open APIs for developers to build applications, with the result that over 265,000 developers have registered on Amazon's developer site to create applications based on these services.. About the Speaker Mike Culver joined the Developer Relations Group of Amazon Web Services in May, 2006. Mike brings with him fifteen years of technology leadership experience, including at companies such as Microsoft. In addition Mr. Culver has a strong background running an IT organization, with over a decade of experience in the Electrical Wholesale Distribution industry. As a Web Services Evangelist at Amazon, he helps developers take advantage of disruptive technologies that are going to change the way we think about computer applications, and the way that businesses compete. From tclug at lizakowski.com Mon Aug 27 12:08:31 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:08:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Sept 5 with Amazon.com In-Reply-To: <200708271146.36997.Jeremy@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708271146.36997.Jeremy@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708271208.31776.tclug@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon! Virtualization was voted the most popular topic at the monthly meetings. In response, we found a speaker that has an interesting take on virtualization: Mike Culver from Amazon.com will be visiting TCLUG to give a presentation on their scalable computing platform and web services! This includes a service called EC2. EC2 allows you to upload a special Linux image (based on Xen I believe), and run it on a cluster. You can rent the cluster by the boxen-hour, and the servers can dynamically allocate machines themselves (e.g. a webserver cluster can increase it's size to adapt to traffic). The presentation will also cover a storage clustering service, the Amazon Mechanical Turk, and other topics. It should be very interesting. The description below has full details. Date: Wed, Sept 5th Time: 6:30 - 8:00 pm University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Topics: Intro Main presentation Amazon Web Services (scalable computing) Mike Culver, Web Services Evangelist, Amazon.com (AWS) General Q&A and discussion As time may permit Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop Links: aws.amazon.com/ec2 aws.amazon.com/s3 aws.amazon.com/mturk ----------- Detailed Description ------------ What's possible in a post Web 2.0 world? Innovation continues at a mind-bending pace, and this presentation will showcase some thought-provoking new directions that Web Services are headed in. The presentation will provide an overview of Amazon Web Services, including a Web Service named Mechanical Turk that allows computers to make requests of people, an online storage service, a Virtual Server service, and more. There will also be a demo showing how to set up the virtual server. But mostly this will be an opportunity to have a discussion about innovation and entrepreneurial tools. Amazon spent ten years developing a world-class technology and content platform that powers Amazon web sites for millions of customers every day. Most people think "Amazon.com" when they hear the word; however developers are excited to learn that there is a separate technology arm of the company, known as Amazon Web Services or AWS. Using AWS, developers can build software applications leveraging the same robust, scalable, and reliable technology that powers Amazon's retail business. AWS has now launched ten services with open APIs for developers to build applications, with the result that over 265,000 developers have registered on Amazon's developer site to create applications based on these services.. About the Speaker Mike Culver joined the Developer Relations Group of Amazon Web Services in May, 2006. Mike brings with him fifteen years of technology leadership experience, including at companies such as Microsoft. In addition Mr. Culver has a strong background running an IT organization, with over a decade of experience in the Electrical Wholesale Distribution industry. As a Web Services Evangelist at Amazon, he helps developers take advantage of disruptive technologies that are going to change the way we think about computer applications, and the way that businesses compete. From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Aug 28 07:37:21 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:37:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] handling email with fetchmail and procmail In-Reply-To: <20070827090255.A28652@belka.space.umn.edu> References: <19AF6511-27AC-42FA-99A2-73131A3AD341@visi.com> <20070827090255.A28652@belka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1188304641.7003.18.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 09:02 -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > Nothing jumps out at me immediately, though I haven't used > fetchmail in ages. Since nothing at all appears in the procmail > log, my guess is that it is a fetchmail problem. While you are > debugging this, though, you should have: > VERBOSE=on > in the procmailrc. > > I would try the fetchmail part manually instead of using the > daemon to test things, and then get the daemon working. Also try using 'fetchmail -v' when testing manually. Here you'll see all of the output and it should be clear if the message is getting properly handed off to procmail. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Aug 28 07:36:12 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:36:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] another question about some more html goodies bugzilla this time In-Reply-To: <000301c7e83a$edb55660$6801a8c0@Scott> References: <000301c7e83a$edb55660$6801a8c0@Scott> Message-ID: <1188304572.7003.16.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 18:43 -0500, Scott wrote: > Hello there again, > > Now I want to set bugzilla up so that I can have customers for our web site > enter bugs and we can track them. I have a bugzilla.conf file here and have > changed it a bit. Do I need to do a virtual host for this or just let it > rock and roll? Here is what the bugzilla.cdonf file looks like with changes > in the alias as John had suggested yesterday. > > Alias /bugzilla /var/www/html/bugzilla > > > AddHandler cgi-script .cgi > Options +Indexes +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks > DirectoryIndex index.cgi > AllowOverride Limit > I'm not familiar with a bugzilla.conf file, however these look like the appropriate entries to add to an apache httpd.conf file to allow http://host/bugzilla to point to your Bugzilla install. You'll also need to configure the Bugzilla installation. See the installation manual for it, the steps are pretty straightforward, mostly just setting up the database. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 11:44:39 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:44:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it using cat -A? I have a dumb Windows program that is creating a text file and using these characters as whitespace. I'm trying to write a Python script to strip them out but I don't know what the heck they are. -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"od -c $file" florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070828/a86ebc64/attachment.pgp From strayf at freeshell.org Tue Aug 28 12:00:47 2007 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:00:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D454BF.8070901@freeshell.org> You can use hexdump to find out. -Steve Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it > using cat -A? I have a dumb Windows program that is creating a text > file and using these characters as whitespace. I'm trying to write a > Python script to strip them out but I don't know what the heck they are. > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Aug 28 12:55:52 2007 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:55:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070828175552.GA13297@refried.org> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:44:39AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: > Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it using > cat -A? Usually ^@ represents null characters (hex 0x0). Nate From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Aug 28 13:15:16 2007 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters In-Reply-To: <20070828175552.GA13297@refried.org> References: <47f4d5e70708280944u5606b695l37d6a711b85e44b1@mail.gmail.com> <20070828175552.GA13297@refried.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:44:39AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: >> Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it using >> cat -A? > > Usually ^@ represents null characters (hex 0x0). Yep: echo -n 'X' | perl -pe 's/X/\0/' | cat -A So NULL is ascii zero (in octal, hex or dec): man ascii Not every system has "man ascii" but it is good to have, if you ask me. Mike From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Aug 28 17:48:32 2007 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Bryan Halvorson Message-ID: <20070828224832.GA28469@fireopal.org> Anyone know Bryan Halvorson? IIUC, he's the owner of sector14.net, and lives in Twin Cities area. He disappeared from an on-line forum I hang out in occasionally, and the denizens are hoping he's all right. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Aug 29 12:47:07 2007 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:47:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Bryan Halvorson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24250.192.28.2.52.1188409627.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:32 -0500 > From: Scott Raun > Anyone know Bryan Halvorson? > > IIUC, he's the owner of sector14.net, and lives in Twin Cities area. He > disappeared from an on-line forum I hang out in occasionally, and the > denizens are hoping he's all right. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun at fireopal.org There are several "B Halvorson" entries at dexonline.com and one for a Brian as well. From ltordsen at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 11:59:37 2007 From: ltordsen at gmail.com (Larry Tordsen) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:59:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 32, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 32, Issue 31 > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cat -A showing ^@ characters (Steve Cayford) > 2. Re: cat -A showing ^@ characters (Nate Straz) > 3. Re: cat -A showing ^@ characters (Mike Miller) > 4. OT? Bryan Halvorson (Scott Raun) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:00:47 -0500 > From: Steve Cayford > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: <46D454BF.8070901 at freeshell.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > You can use hexdump to find out. > > -Steve > > Donovan Niesen wrote: >> Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it >> using cat -A? I have a dumb Windows program that is creating a text >> file and using these characters as whitespace. I'm trying to write a >> Python script to strip them out but I don't know what the heck they are. >> >> >> -- >> Donovan Niesen >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:55:52 -0500 > From: Nate Straz > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20070828175552.GA13297 at refried.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:44:39AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: >> Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it using >> cat -A? > > Usually ^@ represents null characters (hex 0x0). > > Nate > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:15:16 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] cat -A showing ^@ characters > To: Nate Straz > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Nate Straz wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:44:39AM -0500, Donovan Niesen wrote: >>> Anybody know what the ^@ character is in a text file when I view it >>> using >>> cat -A? >> >> Usually ^@ represents null characters (hex 0x0). > > Yep: > > echo -n 'X' | perl -pe 's/X/\0/' | cat -A > > So NULL is ascii zero (in octal, hex or dec): > > man ascii > > Not every system has "man ascii" but it is good to have, if you ask me. > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:32 -0500 > From: Scott Raun > Subject: [tclug-list] OT? Bryan Halvorson > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <20070828224832.GA28469 at fireopal.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Anyone know Bryan Halvorson? > > IIUC, he's the owner of sector14.net, and lives in Twin Cities area. > He disappeared from an on-line forum I hang out in occasionally, and > the denizens are hoping he's all right. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun at fireopal.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 32, Issue 31 > ****************************************** From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 12:01:19 2007 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:01:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux MCE Message-ID: <579c6fd30708301001x6d6e7c0ew32bd6e7c66d60a52@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone using LinuxMCE? The demo video looked great, but I'm skeptical about how well it will work. I would like to hear some real user experiences. I'm not really interested in recording TV. I'm more interested in having a digital media library available through out the house. If you are using it, does it work well? Was it easy to setup and use? Can you recommend a hardware config to use with it? Eric From stuff at cb1inc.com Thu Aug 30 12:38:45 2007 From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:38:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux MCE In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30708301001x6d6e7c0ew32bd6e7c66d60a52@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30708301001x6d6e7c0ew32bd6e7c66d60a52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D700A5.40502@cb1inc.com> The installation is super easy. The interface looks like a programmer did it. I built that machine as a media pc to stream media off my file server, but I really wanted a (6th) remote (which LinuxMCE does support). So instead of spending $50 on a remote, I spent $300 on an AppleTV, hacked it, and now it can stream videos off my file server as well as watch YouTube. Once I got the AppleTV working, I never looked back at LinuxMCE. Check out http://awkwardtv.org. -Chris Eric Peterson wrote: > Is anyone using LinuxMCE? > > The demo video looked great, but I'm skeptical about how well it will > work. I would like to hear some real user experiences. I'm not really > interested in recording TV. I'm more interested in having a digital > media library available through out the house. > > If you are using it, does it work well? Was it easy to setup and use? > Can you recommend a hardware config to use with it? > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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