From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Jul  1 16:46:39 2007
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:46:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] E-mail relay
References: <20070618143652.hrxvcrudoo88g8gs@webmail.northlans.com>
Message-ID: <f697bv$foj$1@sea.gmane.org>

jimstreit at northlans.com wrote:

> Anyone have any suggestions?

Setup mailman plus your favorite MTA (I prefer postfix).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mailman+postfix+HOWTO+&btnG=Search will
get you started.

Bulk import your newletter recipient into mailman.

Navigate to admin interface for mailman.
Click "Membership management..."
Click "Mass Subscription"
Probably best to "... specify a file to upload:"
Wait... Wait... :-)


Then navigate to "Membership List", find the members that have opt'd out and
click the "nomail [reason]" check box. Viola, opt'd out, but you haven't
lost their info.

Mass opt'd out could easily be scripted look at the mailman script/bin
directory for how to get a CLI to mailman.

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From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com  Sun Jul  1 16:31:43 2007
From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:31:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.
In-Reply-To: <48512.204.212.34.10.1183264495.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <1050983938.261183325503229.JavaMail.root@ns1>

Hey Raymound,

     I would check out Fonality.  They have a great product which I use and outstanding support staff.  http://www.fonality.com


Jason Lanpher

President
 
Stealthnetworking Inc.
 
Website: http://www.stealthnetworking.com
 
Email: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com
 
Phone: (651) 442-1212
 
Let us focus on your Information Technology needs so you can focus on your business.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Norton" <admin at lctn.org>
To: "Dan Smith" <blacknight_709 at hotmail.com>
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:34:55 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.

> I was given a "project" by my boss to look into a IP based system for our
> Small office in St.Paul.  Our office currently has 4 people with Phone
> Extentions, but Can support up to 6 actual stations.
>


If you want to do your own, check out freepbx. You can demo a vmware
package of trixbox, which uses freepbx

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From tclug at natecarlson.com  Sun Jul  1 21:13:15 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:13:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0707012106380.5050@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Dan Smith wrote:
> I was given a "project" by my boss to look into a IP based system for 
> our Small office in St.Paul.  Our office currently has 4 people with 
> Phone Extentions, but Can support up to 6 actual stations.
>
> Does anyone have ideas about this?  Vonage?

You're going to need a few pieces:

1) PSTN connection. This can be VoIP or a physical line.
2) PBX solution. This could be a softswitch you install on a chunk of
    hardware, or a fully supported piece of hardware.
3) Phones. Lots of options here.  :)

There are companies that combine it all - a good example would be junction 
networks. You pay them a fixed monthly fee, and they do everything for 
you - you just need to plug the phones into an internet connection.

As far as the PBX solution, if you really want to roll it yourself, I 
highly recommend Asterisk. There are also other solutions, such as 
Fonality and iSoftSwitch, which are supported software. On the other end 
of the spectrum, there are units like the Linksys IP9000 or Mediatrix 
gateways that are a chunk of hardware delivered by the vendor with 
software preloaded.

As far as phones, I highly recommend the Polycom phones, but there are 
lots of good options.  ;)

You may want to chat with the guys at ATAComm - they are up in Maple 
Grove, and are one of the larger VoIP resellers. Check out 
www.atacomm.com.

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Jul  2 11:41:20 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:41:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0707012106380.5050@tungsten.msp.technicality.org> 
References: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0707012106380.5050@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <20070702164120.BB94B75BB@skuld.wookimus.net>

Onvoy, Inc. offers VoIP services via Asterisk servers and BroadSoft.
I know this because my team is responsible for keeping them running; I
work there. ;-)  I know nothing about how much the services cost, but
can tell you they're quite reliable. ;-)  Might be worth a call.

Chad

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Jul  4 23:28:16 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:28:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] capabilities of Linksys router
Message-ID: <1183609696.31017.98.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I currently have a PC setup as my internet gateway.  I'm thinking of
replacing it with a Linksys router with modified firmware.  The question
I have is, can one run squid as a transparent web filter on it?  I don't
need it to cache data, just to act as a transparent proxy and to filter
my web traffic.

Thanks.


________________________________________________________________________

Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
Help Jen and I fight cancer by donating to the Leukemia & Lymphomia
Society
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From thecubic at thecubic.net  Thu Jul  5 00:01:07 2007
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:01:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] capabilities of Linksys router
In-Reply-To: <1183609696.31017.98.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1183609696.31017.98.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <200707050001.11390.thecubic@thecubic.net>

OpenWRT (for WRT54GL) has squid available and behaves roughly like a debian 
server (you can forward all web traffic into the box into squid with 
iptables).  I highly recommend it.

-Dave

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 11:28:16 pm Jon Schewe wrote:
> I currently have a PC setup as my internet gateway.  I'm thinking of
> replacing it with a Linksys router with modified firmware.  The question
> I have is, can one run squid as a transparent web filter on it?  I don't
> need it to cache data, just to act as a transparent proxy and to filter
> my web traffic.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> Help Jen and I fight cancer by donating to the Leukemia & Lymphomia
> Society
> Here's our website: http://www.active.com/donate/tntmn/tntmnJSchewe
> If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> signature.
> See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jul  4 11:33:04 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:33:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] capabilities of Linksys router
In-Reply-To: <200707050001.11390.thecubic@thecubic.net>
References: <1183609696.31017.98.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<200707050001.11390.thecubic@thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <33520.24.158.30.223.1183566784.squirrel@lctn.org>

> OpenWRT (for WRT54GL) has squid available and behaves roughly like a
> debian
> server (you can forward all web traffic into the box into squid with
> iptables).  I highly recommend it.
>


I use WRT for relaying between some Linksys WRT54 routers. Is there enough
resources left to run squidguard with the UBL list in this case?

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Thu Jul  5 08:31:49 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:31:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] capabilities of Linksys router
In-Reply-To: <200707050001.11390.thecubic@thecubic.net>
References: <1183609696.31017.98.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<200707050001.11390.thecubic@thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <1183642309.31017.107.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

That sounds good.  Is there enough processing power on the box to run
something like dansguardian?  I've run it on a P166 with 384MB RAM and a
PII-400 with 128MB of RAM, both were ok.  I don't know how the
processing power compares to the linksys box.


On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 00:01 -0500, Dave Carlson wrote:
> OpenWRT (for WRT54GL) has squid available and behaves roughly like a debian 
> server (you can forward all web traffic into the box into squid with 
> iptables).  I highly recommend it.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007 11:28:16 pm Jon Schewe wrote:
> > I currently have a PC setup as my internet gateway.  I'm thinking of
> > replacing it with a Linksys router with modified firmware.  The question
> > I have is, can one run squid as a transparent web filter on it?  I don't
> > need it to cache data, just to act as a transparent proxy and to filter
> > my web traffic.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> > Help Jen and I fight cancer by donating to the Leukemia & Lymphomia
> > Society
> > Here's our website: http://www.active.com/donate/tntmn/tntmnJSchewe
> > If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> > signature.
> > See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 

________________________________________________________________________

Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
Help Jen and I fight cancer by donating to the Leukemia & Lymphomia
Society
Here's our website: http://www.active.com/donate/tntmn/tntmnJSchewe
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jul  5 09:55:05 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:55:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707051455.l65Et5m14259@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Home Theater PC for Sale

Fully assembled Home Theater PC for sale.  Installed Ubuntu, but never used. 

Includes:

Silverstone LC16M home theater case (with VFD controllable by LIRC)
Silverstone ST-50 500W silent power supply
AMD Athlon x2 4400+
Zalman Silent CPU Cooler
Abit KN8 motherboard
DVD-RW drive
Seagate 320GB SATA II hard drive
1 GB DDR 400 RAM
Hauppauge PVR-250 Tuner card
pcHDTV High Def Tuner Card
Nvidia BFG 6600GT video card

Pictures:  
http://tinyurl.com/2kzayn
http://tinyurl.com/3dl2x3
Approximate value of parts on Newegg: $950

For sale for $650

Seller Email address: silwenae at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 11:48:30 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:48:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Certification Toolkit
Message-ID: <1183654110.3158.1.camel@desktop>

Hey there folks,

I'm interested in getting my A+ certification. Have any of you taken the
exam? If so, do you have any suggestions for a book to use a prepatory
guide?

Also, are there any other certifications that one should acquire in
order to be more marketable as an IT Technician?

Thanks for your time,

Benjamin



From klieber at gentoo.org  Thu Jul  5 13:11:18 2007
From: klieber at gentoo.org (Kurt Lieber)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:11:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Certification Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <1183654110.3158.1.camel@desktop>
References: <1183654110.3158.1.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: <82d43d110707051111j6f237191s2cbc74f0aac80cba@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/5/07, Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in getting my A+ certification. Have any of you taken the
> exam? If so, do you have any suggestions for a book to use a prepatory
> guide?
>
> Also, are there any other certifications that one should acquire in
> order to be more marketable as an IT Technician?



As a hiring manager, I give zero weight to the A+ certification.  So many
people have it that I question what value it really represents.  Give me two
resumes, one with the A+, one without and it won't have any bearing
whatsoever on my decision.  That said, I don't hire hardware techs, so if
that's where your passion lies, perhaps its more useful for you.  YMMV and
all that.

As to your other question, specialized certifications will be (in my
experience) far more valuable than generalist ones.  Also pick ones that
have a decent reputation in the industry.

By and large, there are very few certifications that I place significant
value on because so many of them are textbook certs.  (meaning you can earn
one by memorizing stuff in a textbook, like the MCSE)  Ones that I do place
some emphasis on are: CISSP, GIAC, CCIE and, to a lesser extent, the RHCE.
(I'm sure there's a lot of other very worthwhile certs -- those are just the
ones I know about)

--kurt
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From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 20:21:01 2007
From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:21:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] misc equipment for sale
Message-ID: <b03472520707051821o5ba4b238o69308e1f79177d89@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to post this through the tclug website classified ads, but it
kept telling me I was using too big of words... :-\

I have the following for sale:

==============================
AMD Athlon 1.2Ghz
384mb memory
18gb hdd

This is just a generic machine/case. I have had CentOS running on it
for quite some time.

$75
==============================
eMachines 700Mhz Celeron
256mb memory
6gb hdd

Booted Ubuntu live CD and it worked decently.

$25
==============================
Netgear Storage Central SC101
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Storage/NetworkStorage/SC101.aspx
NO HDD, ENCLOSURE ONLY
AFAIK these only work with Windows

I have 2 of these.

$35/apiece
==============================
Dell Ultrascan P990
19" CRT Monitor
The display is a little blurry.

FREE
==============================
HP iPaq Model #h6315
This is a t-mobile phone/PDA

Comes with AC charger, leather case, detachable keyboard, etc.
Case is a little beat up, but it works fine.

$75
==============================

I will consider best offers for any of these.

You can come pick it up in downtown Minneapolis during the day, or
meet me somewhere between Minneapolis and Hudson after 3:30 PM.

Kevin


From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Jul  5 23:19:47 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:19:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Certification Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <82d43d110707051111j6f237191s2cbc74f0aac80cba@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <1183654110.3158.1.camel@desktop>
	<82d43d110707051111j6f237191s2cbc74f0aac80cba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070706041947.F39A014B7@skuld.wookimus.net>

I  would certainly  go  for the  GIAC  if you're  at  all interested  in
security.  Security  Essentials 101 gives  you a good base  knowledge to
both Windows and UNIX/Linux  security concerns.  I've never really given
MCSE's much  consideration, but then again, I've  never concerned myself
with Windows to  any great extent.  When I hired  my replacement at LTi,
way back  when, I choose a 18  year old highschool graduate  with a good
"bedside  manner", attention to  detail, and  experience "in  the field"
with  installing and  maintaining both  Windows and  Linux  machines.  I
would have hired Lamer, but he wasn't interested. ;-)

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled geekiness.

Chad



From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Fri Jul  6 07:21:42 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:21:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Xlock & Hibernate
Message-ID: <468E33D6.3030805@poetworld.net>


Is anyone successfully using Xlock with suspend2 (now TuxOnIce)?  It 
seems the scriplet in my /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf file does nothing.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

UseSuspend2 yes
Reboot no
EnableEscape yes
DefaultConsoleLevel 1
Compressor lzf
Encryptor none
SuspendDevice swap:/dev/sda4
PowerdownMethod 5

LockXLock yes

--------------------------------------------


My box does hibernate successfully, but I cannot get Xlock to invoke.  
Xlock works perfectly otherwise.



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From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul  9 14:59:16 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:59:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PRI's
Message-ID: <8B16AB71-848F-4F06-B065-32FD5CDCDB0B@signal15.com>

Does anyone have any recommendations for voice PRI's?  I'm looking  
for something cheap for now.  What is the average price you are  
paying for them?  Do they just charge you the loop fee + per minute,  
or are there other charges?

I'm not averse to using a SIP or IAX trunk to a provider if it is  
cheaper.  However, most of the companies out there are much more  
expensive than a PRI when you need 24 channels or more.

~jay


From erikerik at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:15:16 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:15:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PRI's
In-Reply-To: <8B16AB71-848F-4F06-B065-32FD5CDCDB0B@signal15.com>
References: <8B16AB71-848F-4F06-B065-32FD5CDCDB0B@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0707091315m5739a1aej19ccc0fa95d05a84@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/9/07, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations for voice PRI's?  I'm looking
> for something cheap for now.  What is the average price you are
> paying for them?  Do they just charge you the loop fee + per minute,
> or are there other charges?

We get our PRI at work from Time Warner telecom.  The voice comes into
our building on fiber and then is translated to a T1 in TW's POP in
the basement.  I'm not sure exactly how the price breaks out, but I
believe we're paying about $1k per month for 10Mbit internet and 1
PRI.  I believe the internet is about $650 of that so you do the math.

I know TWTelecom gets bashed a lot in the consumer markets, but
honestly, for enterprise-class voice and data service, they've been
second to none in our experience.

-Erik


From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul  9 14:56:48 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:56:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs. others
Message-ID: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>

I'm currently running Asterisk for a few phones, and I've had some  
annoyances with it.  Their SIP implementation is crap.  Total crap.   
It hardly adheres to the RFC, and my application layer gateway throws  
away the SIP packets generated by it because they don't follow the  
RFC.  Which means, I cannot use the ALG to take care of NAT and  
dynamic firewall policy assignment for RTP traffic.  Dialplan  
searching is SLOW when you have a huge dialplan.  Phones sometimes  
get deregistered and authentication fails on the first attempt to  
make an outgoing call, but succeeds on the next attempt.

I'm running the latest 1.4 code.  Also, a couple of days ago, a  
remote code execution exploit was found with their crappy SIP  
implementation.  To top it all off, Digium's PRI hardware is total  
junk.  I know people that have had 4 DOA cards in a row.

So, I'm thinking about going with CallWeaver, which used to be called  
OpenPBX.  They are based on Asterisk 1.2, but have utilized 3 party  
libs for codecs, SIP implementation, etc.  They also have T38 fax  
support built in, no crazy patching/hacks to make it work.  It really  
looks like a solid replacement for Asterisk.

Does anyone have experience with both?  I'm going to use Sangoma  
cards instead of the Digium ones.  I need DUNDI support, which  
appears to still be in CallWeaver.  However, the one thing I'm  
worried about is that it looks like it is missing the SLA (shared/ 
bridged line appearance) functionality that was added in the 1.4  
train of Asterisk.

Also, if there are any other free/open source projects out there that  
you think are worth mentioning, definitely let me know.  Right now,  
I'm leaning towards CallWeaver.

Thanks.

~jay


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul  9 15:26:02 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:26:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
 others
In-Reply-To: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0707091525270.9532@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Jay Austad wrote:
> So, I'm thinking about going with CallWeaver, which used to be called 
> OpenPBX.  They are based on Asterisk 1.2, but have utilized 3 party libs 
> for codecs, SIP implementation, etc.  They also have T38 fax support 
> built in, no crazy patching/hacks to make it work.  It really looks like 
> a solid replacement for Asterisk.

I don't have experience with both (yet), but keep meaning to try out 
CallWeaver. It does look pertty durn nice.

> Also, if there are any other free/open source projects out there that 
> you think are worth mentioning, definitely let me know.  Right now, I'm 
> leaning towards CallWeaver.

I assume you've looked at SER?

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:32:11 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:32:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
	others
In-Reply-To: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0707091332x7316139vc136ca66b1ba0a9a@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/9/07, Jay Austad <austad at signal15.com> wrote:
>
<snip />
>
> Does anyone have experience with both?  I'm going to use Sangoma
> cards instead of the Digium ones.  I need DUNDI support, which
> appears to still be in CallWeaver.  However, the one thing I'm
> worried about is that it looks like it is missing the SLA (shared/
> bridged line appearance) functionality that was added in the 1.4
> train of Asterisk.
>
> Also, if there are any other free/open source projects out there that
> you think are worth mentioning, definitely let me know.  Right now,
> I'm leaning towards CallWeaver.

Hrm - that's a bummer you're having problems with Asterisk.  I'm
running it at 5 sites around the world, and it's working great.  My
locations have very simple dialplans, though, and I'm only running SIP
on the LAN, so I don't have to deal with the NAT/firewall issues you
mentioned.  I'm using IAX trunks for site->site traffic as well as
to/from my ITSP.  I don't know if IAX is an option for you, but I
found it to be *vastly* more reliable for call trunking than SIP was.

You'll be quite pleased with Sangoma's hardware.  I have yet to have a
single problem with it.  I have two of their quad port cards and one
dual port card in production, and they're all rock-solid.  I've not
had experience w/ Digium's hardware, so I can't really compare...

-erik

-- 
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org


From tpenney at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 17:17:18 2007
From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:17:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
	others
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0707091332x7316139vc136ca66b1ba0a9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
	<fc40260f0707091332x7316139vc136ca66b1ba0a9a@mail.gmail.com>
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Is bayonne worth considering? It's been years since I worked with it.
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From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul  9 19:25:49 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:25:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
	others
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0707091525270.9532@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0707091525270.9532@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <80F4F6C7-2F9D-41EC-BCFE-E12D27AD0DFD@signal15.com>

SER is not a full PBX, only a SIP gateway.  I have looked at it  
though, and I will be using it for SRTP/TLS and load balancing.


On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Jay Austad wrote:
>> So, I'm thinking about going with CallWeaver, which used to be  
>> called OpenPBX.  They are based on Asterisk 1.2, but have utilized  
>> 3 party libs for codecs, SIP implementation, etc.  They also have  
>> T38 fax support built in, no crazy patching/hacks to make it  
>> work.  It really looks like a solid replacement for Asterisk.
>
> I don't have experience with both (yet), but keep meaning to try  
> out CallWeaver. It does look pertty durn nice.
>
>> Also, if there are any other free/open source projects out there  
>> that you think are worth mentioning, definitely let me know.   
>> Right now, I'm leaning towards CallWeaver.
>
> I assume you've looked at SER?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http:// 
> www.natecarlson.com |
> |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since  
> 1981            |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
>



From austad at signal15.com  Mon Jul  9 19:29:05 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:29:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
	others
In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e0707091517n71c01e09v7a888383961e90fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
	<fc40260f0707091332x7316139vc136ca66b1ba0a9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c596d0e0707091517n71c01e09v7a888383961e90fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54F46405-3877-4CE5-967F-F42E96CE7C8D@signal15.com>

It does not appear that Bayonne supports ENUM, DUNDI, or other call  
routing protocols.  I need to be able to route calls among multiple  
local servers and eventually remote servers.


On Jul 9, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Tom Penney wrote:

>
> Is bayonne worth considering? It's been years since I worked with it.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From tclug at lizakowski.com  Mon Jul  9 19:35:41 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:35:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]  TCLUG Meeting Announcement
In-Reply-To: <200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705311733.32841.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200707091935.41923.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Due to the 4th of July holiday, we had planned to hold a TCLUG General Meeting 
this Wednesday, the 11th.  Unfortunately, the speaker had to cancel due to 
work commitments.  

Is anyone interested in presenting at the general meeting this Wednesday?  The 
topic could be a demonstration, a description of a project that uses Linux, a 
tutorial, a linux issue (gplv3?) - there are many possible topics.  The 
format actually works better with multiple speakers, so smaller time slices 
are possible and encouraged.  Having given a presentation myself (a demo of 
debug tools), I can say that the audience is very gracious :)  

To make for an orderly process:  If we find enough volunteers to fill at least 
a hour, and if we can do that by 4pm Tuesday, then the meeting will proceed.  

We are also seeking speakers for upcoming meetings.  Based on feedback at the 
last meeting, the tentative agenda is:

   Aug:  Virtualization (Xen, VMWare, rPath, applications...)
   Sept or Oct:  MythTV

If you would like to contribute to these topics, or volunteer otherwise, 
please reply.

Jeremy

On Wednesday 06 June 2007 5:13 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> Reminder: the June TCLUG meeting is tonight at 6:30pm!
>
> Address:
> University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus
> EE/CSci Building, Room: 3-230 **
> 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
>
> ** Note that this is a room change from the May meeting.  We will be
> meeting in the lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the last
> meeting.
>
> On Thursday 31 May 2007 5:33 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
> > 	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server
> > project.
> >
> > Agenda Topics:
> >  	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> >  		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> >  	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics, etc)
> > 		Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris
> > Barber) Volunteer!
> >  	General Q&A and discussion
> >  		As time may permit
> >  	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> >
> > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > > The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, June 6th
> > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > 3-230 ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > >
> > > Topics:
> > > 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > > 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > > 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting
> > > projects etc) Volunteer!
> > > 	General Q&A and discussion
> > > 		As time may permit
> > > 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > >
> > > ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the lecture
> > > bowl that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > July meeting:
> > > 	Wed, July 11
> > >
> > > On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> > > > announce two upcoming meetings:
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief hiatus,
> > > > we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG.  The TCLUG
> > > > website will be updated soon with the event information as well.
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > >
> > > > Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > > > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > > > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > > > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> > > >
> > > > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> > > > who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will be
> > > > heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We invite
> > > > everyone to come along!
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >-- -- --
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > >
> > > > Topics
> > > >
> > > > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > > > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10 -
> > > > 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a
> > > > topic with the group..  More information will be available at the May
> > > > 2nd meeting.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >-- -- --
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact
> > > > the volunteer meeting organizers:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > > > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > > > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Mon Jul  9 20:05:35 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:05:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
 others
In-Reply-To: <80F4F6C7-2F9D-41EC-BCFE-E12D27AD0DFD@signal15.com>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0707091525270.9532@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<80F4F6C7-2F9D-41EC-BCFE-E12D27AD0DFD@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0707092005100.31625@iron.msp.technicality.org>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Jay Austad wrote:
> SER is not a full PBX, only a SIP gateway.  I have looked at it though, 
> and I will be using it for SRTP/TLS and load balancing.

Hey, you said worth mentioning.  ;)

A lot of people use it as a front-end for Asterisk to get fully compliant 
SIP.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
------------------------------------------------------------------------


From austad at signal15.com  Tue Jul 10 11:53:22 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk vs. CallWeaver (formerly OpenPBX) vs.
	others
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0707092005100.31625@iron.msp.technicality.org>
References: <41E1E559-3A56-4F45-B6C9-074DE1879ECC@signal15.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0707091525270.9532@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<80F4F6C7-2F9D-41EC-BCFE-E12D27AD0DFD@signal15.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0707092005100.31625@iron.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <E28BAE17-2440-4BA6-97FA-53C9F384EEA4@signal15.com>

I haven't set up OpenSER yet.  From the documentation, it appears you  
can either do something like a passthrough authentication where users  
authenticate directly with the Asterisk boxes behind it, or you have  
to create users on the OpenSER box.

If you are creating users on the OpenSER box, does it pass the  
authentication credentials through to Asterisk?

On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Jay Austad wrote:
>> SER is not a full PBX, only a SIP gateway.  I have looked at it  
>> though, and I will be using it for SRTP/TLS and load balancing.
>
> Hey, you said worth mentioning.  ;)
>
> A lot of people use it as a front-end for Asterisk to get fully  
> compliant SIP.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http:// 
> www.natecarlson.com |
> |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since  
> 1981            |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
>



From sraun at fireopal.org  Tue Jul 10 14:46:31 2007
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:46:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
Message-ID: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>

What's your favorite wiki, and why?

I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
Python & Perl running, but not PHP.

I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From sfertch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 15:19:19 2007
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0707101319p73be41ebt2a44994f63f1b743@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/07, Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> wrote:
> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>
> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
>
> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.

dokuwiki.  It's quick, it's simple.  No database requirements at all
as it's all flat files.

-- 
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..


From sfertch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 15:40:19 2007
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:40:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <4693EDD6.4050407@mitechie.com>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
	<67f3084a0707101319p73be41ebt2a44994f63f1b743@mail.gmail.com>
	<4693EDD6.4050407@mitechie.com>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0707101340s30c9777uc266e7d4137e22ac@mail.gmail.com>

Forwarding for LUG readability...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rick Harding <rharding at mitechie.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
To: Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com>


Shawn Fertch wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> wrote:
>
>> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>>
>> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
>> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
>>
>> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
>> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.
>>
>
> dokuwiki.  It's quick, it's simple.  No database requirements at all
> as it's all flat files.
>
>
I have to agree. I run a couple dokuwiki instances and one is for a
woodworking group of mainly non-technical people and they can get some
ok results out of it. It involved putting php up though.

The only non-php wiki I used was moinmoin which seemed ok, but nothing
overly impressive on the install I played with.

Rick


From josh at radkeland.org  Tue Jul 10 15:58:26 2007
From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:58:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <4693F2F2.2080400@radkeland.org>

Scott Raun wrote:
> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>
> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
>
> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.
>
>   
I've played with kwiki and ProWiki.  ProWiki has some very nice features 
for managing trees of pages, and is also trivial to configure multiple 
installations.  It also uses no db backend.  If you're a Perl geek and 
expect to do some hacking, this is fun to play with.

Josh


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Jul 10 16:13:16 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:13:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <4693F66C.4050409@Goecke-Dolan.com>


I found this link, it has a feature comparison tool for several Wiki's.

I use and like MindTouch's DekiWiki (www.opengarden.org), mostly because
of the GUI editor for pages. I also like their general look and feel.
Although I am not so enthused about their use of mono, and it does
require a mysql database so it is not light weight.

==>brian.

Scott Raun wrote:
> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>
> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
>
> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.
>
>   



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Jul 10 16:21:06 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:21:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <4693F66C.4050409@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
	<4693F66C.4050409@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <4693F842.20707@Goecke-Dolan.com>


Okay, I should include the link... arg.

Here is the link to the Wiki comparison tool.

http://www.wikimatrix.org/

Sorry.

==>brian.


Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> I found this link, it has a feature comparison tool for several Wiki's.
>
> I use and like MindTouch's DekiWiki (www.opengarden.org), mostly because
> of the GUI editor for pages. I also like their general look and feel.
> Although I am not so enthused about their use of mono, and it does
> require a mysql database so it is not light weight.
>
> ==>brian.
>
> Scott Raun wrote:
>   
>> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>>
>> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
>> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
>>
>> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
>> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From nate at refried.org  Tue Jul 10 16:06:58 2007
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:06:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20070710210658.GA21686@refried.org>

On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 02:46:31PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote:
> What's your favorite wiki, and why?

I like MoinMoin.  It runs on Python.  It's very easy to program macros.
It also supports restructured text which I like to use.

Nate


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Tue Jul 10 19:44:11 2007
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:44:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20070710210658.GA21686@refried.org>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
	<20070710210658.GA21686@refried.org>
Message-ID: <13168.163.231.6.88.1184114651.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>

+1 on MoinMoin. I administer a shared moinmoin installation (3 instances)
that about 70 people use daily.  My favorite features are the flat files
(for clustered Wiki over NFS mount), the ability to edit Wiki files from a
non-web python script, and the very straightforward (once you understand
the OO structure) macro programming.  A new instance takes less than an
hour for me to set up.  And I'm running them on white-elephant OpenPowers.

> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 02:46:31PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote:
>> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
>
> I like MoinMoin.  It runs on Python.  It's very easy to program macros.
> It also supports restructured text which I like to use.
>
> Nate

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dave Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net>


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Jul 10 21:53:41 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:53:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] What's your favorite Wiki?
In-Reply-To: <4693F842.20707@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <20070710194631.GA6716@fireopal.org>
	<4693F66C.4050409@Goecke-Dolan.com> <4693F842.20707@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <1184122421.18755.96.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I've been using mediawiki at work and like it a lot.  The only thing I
find missing is fine grained access controls, but that's only because of
the type of work we do sometimes needs to be more compartmentalized.

On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 16:21 -0500, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> Okay, I should include the link... arg.
> 
> Here is the link to the Wiki comparison tool.
> 
> http://www.wikimatrix.org/
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> ==>brian.
> 
> 
> Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> > I found this link, it has a feature comparison tool for several Wiki's.
> >
> > I use and like MindTouch's DekiWiki (www.opengarden.org), mostly because
> > of the GUI editor for pages. I also like their general look and feel.
> > Although I am not so enthused about their use of mono, and it does
> > require a mysql database so it is not light weight.
> >
> > ==>brian.
> >
> > Scott Raun wrote:
> >   
> >> What's your favorite wiki, and why?
> >>
> >> I'm looking to set one up on my home server - I've currently got
> >> Python & Perl running, but not PHP.
> >>
> >> I'd like to get something that could have independent instances -
> >> giving my wife one or more wiki's just for her writing has potential.
> >>
> >>   
> >>     
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

________________________________________________________________________

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From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Jul 11 11:45:21 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:45:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement
In-Reply-To: <200707091935.41923.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200707091935.41923.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200707111145.21231.tclug@lizakowski.com>

> To make for an orderly process:  If we find enough volunteers to fill at
> least a hour, and if we can do that by 4pm Tuesday, then the meeting will
> proceed.

The meeting for tonight is cancelled.  However, if anyone would like to help 
present at the August meeting, please reply.  The topic will Virtualization, 
which includes tools like Xen, VMware, colinux, etc.

Has anyone used Xen or VMware with Linux?

Jeremy

On Monday 09 July 2007 7:35 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> Due to the 4th of July holiday, we had planned to hold a TCLUG General
> Meeting this Wednesday, the 11th.  Unfortunately, the speaker had to cancel
> due to work commitments.
>
> Is anyone interested in presenting at the general meeting this Wednesday? 
> The topic could be a demonstration, a description of a project that uses
> Linux, a tutorial, a linux issue (gplv3?) - there are many possible topics.
>  The format actually works better with multiple speakers, so smaller time
> slices are possible and encouraged.  Having given a presentation myself (a
> demo of debug tools), I can say that the audience is very gracious :)
>
> To make for an orderly process:  If we find enough volunteers to fill at
> least a hour, and if we can do that by 4pm Tuesday, then the meeting will
> proceed.
>
> We are also seeking speakers for upcoming meetings.  Based on feedback at
> the last meeting, the tentative agenda is:
>
>    Aug:  Virtualization (Xen, VMWare, rPath, applications...)
>    Sept or Oct:  MythTV
>
> If you would like to contribute to these topics, or volunteer otherwise,
> please reply.
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Wednesday 06 June 2007 5:13 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > Reminder: the June TCLUG meeting is tonight at 6:30pm!
> >
> > Address:
> > University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus
> > EE/CSci Building, Room: 3-230 **
> > 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> >
> > ** Note that this is a room change from the May meeting.  We will be
> > meeting in the lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the
> > last meeting.
> >
> > On Thursday 31 May 2007 5:33 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > > Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
> > > 	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server
> > > project.
> > >
> > > Agenda Topics:
> > >  	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > >  		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > >  	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics, etc)
> > > 		Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris
> > > Barber) Volunteer!
> > >  	General Q&A and discussion
> > >  		As time may permit
> > >  	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > > > The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed, June 6th
> > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > > 3-230 ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > >
> > > > Topics:
> > > > 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > > > 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > > > 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting
> > > > projects etc) Volunteer!
> > > > 	General Q&A and discussion
> > > > 		As time may permit
> > > > 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > > >
> > > > ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the
> > > > lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > July meeting:
> > > > 	Wed, July 11
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > > > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> > > > > announce two upcoming meetings:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief
> > > > > hiatus, we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG. 
> > > > > The TCLUG website will be updated soon with the event information
> > > > > as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building ,
> > > > > Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > > >
> > > > > Topics:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > > > > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > > > > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > > > > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> > > > >
> > > > > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> > > > > who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will
> > > > > be heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We
> > > > > invite everyone to come along!
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >-- -- -- --
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building ,
> > > > > Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > > >
> > > > > Topics
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > > > > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10
> > > > > - 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a
> > > > > topic with the group..  More information will be available at the
> > > > > May 2nd meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >-- -- -- --
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact
> > > > > the volunteer meeting organizers:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > > > > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > > > > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Jul 11 13:43:05 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:43:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement
In-Reply-To: <200707111145.21231.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707091935.41923.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200707111145.21231.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200707111343.06073.tclug@lizakowski.com>

> Has anyone used Xen or VMware with Linux?

Also, has anyone used Amazon EC2?  

On Wednesday 11 July 2007 11:45 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > To make for an orderly process:  If we find enough volunteers to fill at
> > least a hour, and if we can do that by 4pm Tuesday, then the meeting will
> > proceed.
>
> The meeting for tonight is cancelled.  However, if anyone would like to
> help present at the August meeting, please reply.  The topic will
> Virtualization, which includes tools like Xen, VMware, colinux, etc.
>
> Has anyone used Xen or VMware with Linux?
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday 09 July 2007 7:35 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > Due to the 4th of July holiday, we had planned to hold a TCLUG General
> > Meeting this Wednesday, the 11th.  Unfortunately, the speaker had to
> > cancel due to work commitments.
> >
> > Is anyone interested in presenting at the general meeting this Wednesday?
> > The topic could be a demonstration, a description of a project that uses
> > Linux, a tutorial, a linux issue (gplv3?) - there are many possible
> > topics. The format actually works better with multiple speakers, so
> > smaller time slices are possible and encouraged.  Having given a
> > presentation myself (a demo of debug tools), I can say that the audience
> > is very gracious :)
> >
> > To make for an orderly process:  If we find enough volunteers to fill at
> > least a hour, and if we can do that by 4pm Tuesday, then the meeting will
> > proceed.
> >
> > We are also seeking speakers for upcoming meetings.  Based on feedback at
> > the last meeting, the tentative agenda is:
> >
> >    Aug:  Virtualization (Xen, VMWare, rPath, applications...)
> >    Sept or Oct:  MythTV
> >
> > If you would like to contribute to these topics, or volunteer otherwise,
> > please reply.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > On Wednesday 06 June 2007 5:13 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > > Reminder: the June TCLUG meeting is tonight at 6:30pm!
> > >
> > > Address:
> > > University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus
> > > EE/CSci Building, Room: 3-230 **
> > > 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > >
> > > ** Note that this is a room change from the May meeting.  We will be
> > > meeting in the lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the
> > > last meeting.
> > >
> > > On Thursday 31 May 2007 5:33 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > > > Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
> > > > 	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server
> > > > project.
> > > >
> > > > Agenda Topics:
> > > >  	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > > >  		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > > >  	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics,
> > > > etc) Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris
> > > > Barber) Volunteer!
> > > >  	General Q&A and discussion
> > > >  		As time may permit
> > > >  	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > > > > The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed, June 6th
> > > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building ,
> > > > > Room: 3-230 ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > >
> > > > > Topics:
> > > > > 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > > > > 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > > > > 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting
> > > > > projects etc) Volunteer!
> > > > > 	General Q&A and discussion
> > > > > 		As time may permit
> > > > > 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > > > >
> > > > > ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the
> > > > > lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the last
> > > > > meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >-
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >-
> > > > >
> > > > > July meeting:
> > > > > 	Wed, July 11
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > > > > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased
> > > > > > to announce two upcoming meetings:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief
> > > > > > hiatus, we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the
> > > > > > TCLUG. The TCLUG website will be updated soon with the event
> > > > > > information as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > > > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building ,
> > > > > > Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Topics:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > > > > > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > > > > > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > > > > > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For
> > > > > > those who would like to get to know each other a little better,
> > > > > > we will be heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location
> > > > > > TBD)  We invite everyone to come along!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >-- -- -- -- --
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > > > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building ,
> > > > > > Room: 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Topics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > > > > > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots
> > > > > > (10 - 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or
> > > > > > discuss a topic with the group..  More information will be
> > > > > > available at the May 2nd meeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >-- -- -- -- --
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to
> > > > > > contact the volunteer meeting organizers:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > > > > > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > > > > > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Jul 11 16:04:15 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:04:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707112104.l6BL4FI14556@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP Pavilion a706n - price drop!

Still available: HP Pavilion a706n
Athlon 2.10 Ghz
512 MB RAM
Specs on the HP website
$200 o/b/o

All original parts, bought new two years ago, in fine condition.  I've been using it as my main desktop since I bought it, but I'm moving and I don't want to bring it with.  No HD, no monitor (I could throw in an old 10GB HD and/or CRT if you need it, gratis).  $200 or best offer, pick up in south Minneapolis.

---

Also: Epson Stylus C86 inkjet printer, found in back of my closet, free, come get it.

Seller Email address: TeeAhr1 at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Fri Jul 13 16:33:14 2007
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:33:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 64-bit vs. 32-bit
Message-ID: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>

Alright... I did my googling and after poring over several pages of 
forum posts, I still wasn't able to find an answer that satisfied me.

I've got a server with an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+" running 
Gentoo. Everything has been compiled as 32-bit (i686). I am in the 
process of looking at a new server from Dell with a 64-bit Intel 
Processor (currently comparing the Xeon E5310 & the Xeon 5130). 
Questions are as follows:

   1. If I plan on getting 8GB of RAM, will I need (or really want) to
      install 64-bit linux? Are there gains by going 64-bit or is it
      better to enable high ram support in the kernel, compile as 32 and
      call it done?
   2. Will I be able to use the same binaries from the old server on the
      new one if I install 64-bit? I'd really prefer to copy as much of
      the data from the old server to the new one as I can. I am aware
      that a 64-bit chip can run 32-bit software, but I don't know the
      details. Do I need a 64-bit kernel? How about libraries?

I realize these questions are probably very generalized, but I have 
basically zero knowledge of the subject so I don't really even know 
where to start. If people need more info to be able to answer, I'd be 
happy to provide it.

Essentially, it comes down to this:

Should I use 8 GB of RAM in a 32-bit machine?
How much work is it to transition a machine from 32-bit to 64?

I really appreciate all the help TCLUG has been in the past. A good 
group of solid techies. Thanks.

    -Matt

-- 

	<http://www.plaudit.com/> 	
Matt Dittbenner
*EMAIL* 	. 	matt at plaudit.com <mailto:matt at plaudit.com>
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From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 17:51:10 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (gramlich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:51:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
Message-ID: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>

I've got an old first gen athlon based machine which I'd like to setup
as a firewall/router. But I've got no idea what steps I need to take.
Could any of you folks out there point me to some literature (preferably
free!) that could help me out? I've followed the recent posts on the
list about the software side, so what I'm really looking for is
something that can tell me what additional hardware I may need as well
as discuss integrating a secure wifi solution.

Ciao,

benjamin



From stuff at cb1inc.com  Fri Jul 13 18:07:07 2007
From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:07:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 64-bit vs. 32-bit
In-Reply-To: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
References: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <4698059B.80801@cb1inc.com>

There are issues with running a 32-bit OS with more than 4GB of RAM.  
You will need to enable PAE in order for the OS to see more than 4GB and 
even then a 32-bit process can only allocate 2GB of RAM unless the app 
has been written to take advantage of PAE.  So, in my opinion, if you 
have a 64-bit processor and more than 2GB of RAM, then without a doubt, 
use the 64-bit version.

I would do a fresh install if you are switching to 64-bit.  I don't 
think there is any issues with running 32-bit apps on a 64-bit OS since 
I'm doing it right now.  Just about all open source Linux apps have a 
64-bit port.  There are a few apps that they haven't made a 64-bit 
version (Flash, Acrobat, etc), but I managed to get 32-bit Flash to work 
in 64-bit Firefox.

I would also make sure you can get 64-bit Linux driver support.  Even 
Windows doesn't have great 64-bit driver support.

-Chris
http://www.cb1inc.com

Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> Alright... I did my googling and after poring over several pages of 
> forum posts, I still wasn't able to find an answer that satisfied me.
>
> I've got a server with an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+" running 
> Gentoo. Everything has been compiled as 32-bit (i686). I am in the 
> process of looking at a new server from Dell with a 64-bit Intel 
> Processor (currently comparing the Xeon E5310 & the Xeon 5130). 
> Questions are as follows:
>
>    1. If I plan on getting 8GB of RAM, will I need (or really want) to
>       install 64-bit linux? Are there gains by going 64-bit or is it
>       better to enable high ram support in the kernel, compile as 32
>       and call it done?
>    2. Will I be able to use the same binaries from the old server on
>       the new one if I install 64-bit? I'd really prefer to copy as
>       much of the data from the old server to the new one as I can. I
>       am aware that a 64-bit chip can run 32-bit software, but I don't
>       know the details. Do I need a 64-bit kernel? How about libraries?
>
> I realize these questions are probably very generalized, but I have 
> basically zero knowledge of the subject so I don't really even know 
> where to start. If people need more info to be able to answer, I'd be 
> happy to provide it.
>
> Essentially, it comes down to this:
>
> Should I use 8 GB of RAM in a 32-bit machine?
> How much work is it to transition a machine from 32-bit to 64?
>
> I really appreciate all the help TCLUG has been in the past. A good 
> group of solid techies. Thanks.
>
>     -Matt
>
> -- 
>
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From florin at iucha.net  Fri Jul 13 18:17:42 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:17:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 64-bit vs. 32-bit
In-Reply-To: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
References: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <20070713231742.GJ30326@iucha.net>

On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 04:33:14PM -0500, Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> I've got a server with an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+" running 
> Gentoo. Everything has been compiled as 32-bit (i686). I am in the process 
> of looking at a new server from Dell with a 64-bit Intel Processor 
> (currently comparing the Xeon E5310 & the Xeon 5130). Questions are as 
> follows:
>
>   1. If I plan on getting 8GB of RAM, will I need (or really want) to
>      install 64-bit linux? Are there gains by going 64-bit or is it
>      better to enable high ram support in the kernel, compile as 32 and
>      call it done?

It depends.  In 64 bit mode you can access the extra registers, as
well as use the old registers in new ways.  You pay by having larger
code size and larger memory consumption (the pointers double).

Note that Xeon 51xx is the old, power hungry Netburst architecture,
while the 53xx is the new and more efficient Core architecture.  Both
support 64 bit mode, but on the Netburst it is significantly slower
(you pay, but not gain anything).

>   2. Will I be able to use the same binaries from the old server on the
>      new one if I install 64-bit? I'd really prefer to copy as much of
>      the data from the old server to the new one as I can. I am aware
>      that a 64-bit chip can run 32-bit software, but I don't know the
>      details. Do I need a 64-bit kernel? How about libraries?

You can use the same binaries, but you'll have to have two sets of
libraries, thus increasing the memory requirements.  When you have the
same program running in many instances, like a server, the OS keeps
only one copy running in the memory; it is the same with libraries,
but if you have one 32-bit program and one 64-bit program all using
the "same" library, they cannot share the image.

> I realize these questions are probably very generalized, but I have 
> basically zero knowledge of the subject so I don't really even know where 
> to start. If people need more info to be able to answer, I'd be happy to 
> provide it.
>
> Essentially, it comes down to this:
>
> Should I use 8 GB of RAM in a 32-bit machine?

It depends.  What will the machine do?  Do you have a process that can
use that much memory by itself (like a database), or do you have many
smaller processes and you want plenty of cache for the disk I/O?
In the first case, the 64 bit route is much simpler and more efficient
code (less swapping and messing up with switching pages around).  In
the second case, it does not matter much.

On the 32 bits you can access up to 64 GB.

> How much work is it to transition a machine from 32-bit to 64?

For a regular server you should see no extra work.

> I really appreciate all the help TCLUG has been in the past. A good group 
> of solid techies. Thanks.

Feel free to post more detailed questions.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
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From florin at iucha.net  Fri Jul 13 18:19:35 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:19:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
In-Reply-To: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <20070713231935.GK30326@iucha.net>

On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 05:51:10PM -0500, gramlich wrote:
> I've got an old first gen athlon based machine which I'd like to setup
> as a firewall/router. But I've got no idea what steps I need to take.
> Could any of you folks out there point me to some literature (preferably
> free!) that could help me out? I've followed the recent posts on the
> list about the software side, so what I'm really looking for is
> something that can tell me what additional hardware I may need as well
> as discuss integrating a secure wifi solution.

Check out IPCOP (http://ipcop.org) and LEAF (http://leaf.sourceforge.net/) .

florin

-- 
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      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From poptix at poptix.net  Fri Jul 13 18:16:19 2007
From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:16:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] 64-bit vs. 32-bit
In-Reply-To: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
References: <4697EF9A.5000600@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <469807C3.50001@poptix.net>

Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> 
>    1. If I plan on getting 8GB of RAM, will I need (or really want) to
>       install 64-bit linux? Are there gains by going 64-bit or is it
>       better to enable high ram support in the kernel, compile as 32 and
>       call it done?

You can use 8GB of ram in 32bit mode, single applications will still be 
limited though. Any gains from 64bit mode will depend on the 
applications you run.

>    2. Will I be able to use the same binaries from the old server on the
>       new one if I install 64-bit? I'd really prefer to copy as much of
>       the data from the old server to the new one as I can. I am aware
>       that a 64-bit chip can run 32-bit software, but I don't know the
>       details. Do I need a 64-bit kernel? How about libraries?

Yes. You can run 32bit binaries just fine under 64bit kernels as long as 
you have enabled 32bit emulation (CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION). All 
distributions enable this, as far as I know.

> How much work is it to transition a machine from 32-bit to 64?

Depends on the distribution, I would recommend reinstalling the 64bit 
branch of whatever distribution you run.




From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 19:17:28 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:17:28 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
Message-ID: <071420070017.23764.469816180007AB1800005CD422134843730B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I use Smoothwall.

http://www.smoothwall.org/

I've been using it for almost 6 years and have never had an intrusion into my home network.

--
==========
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com>
> I've got an old first gen athlon based machine which I'd like to setup
> as a firewall/router. But I've got no idea what steps I need to take.
> Could any of you folks out there point me to some literature (preferably
> free!) that could help me out? I've followed the recent posts on the
> list about the software side, so what I'm really looking for is
> something that can tell me what additional hardware I may need as well
> as discuss integrating a secure wifi solution.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> benjamin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 19:59:08 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:59:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
In-Reply-To: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0707131759l5927c7b4gc65737e0b3f2f141@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to put in a second vote for IPCop.  I've used it for some time
now, and it's pretty easy to use.  It's also really easy to upgrade without
losing your settings.

- Joey

On 7/13/07, gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've got an old first gen athlon based machine which I'd like to setup
> as a firewall/router. But I've got no idea what steps I need to take.
> Could any of you folks out there point me to some literature (preferably
> free!) that could help me out? I've followed the recent posts on the
> list about the software side, so what I'm really looking for is
> something that can tell me what additional hardware I may need as well
> as discuss integrating a secure wifi solution.
>
> Ciao,
>
> benjamin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 20:01:07 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (gramlich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:01:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0707131759l5927c7b4gc65737e0b3f2f141@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
	<101e49ea0707131759l5927c7b4gc65737e0b3f2f141@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1184374867.7117.4.camel@sietch-tabr>

What hardware should I get besides the basic computer? It only has one
nic. Do I need another nic? Or do you folks suggest another solution?

bg

On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 19:59 -0500, Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I would like to put in a second vote for IPCop.  I've used it for some
> time now, and it's pretty easy to use.  It's also really easy to
> upgrade without losing your settings.
> 
> - Joey
> 
> On 7/13/07, gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>         I've got an old first gen athlon based machine which I'd like
>         to setup
>         as a firewall/router. But I've got no idea what steps I need
>         to take.
>         Could any of you folks out there point me to some literature
>         (preferably 
>         free!) that could help me out? I've followed the recent posts
>         on the
>         list about the software side, so what I'm really looking for
>         is
>         something that can tell me what additional hardware I may need
>         as well 
>         as discuss integrating a secure wifi solution.
>         
>         Ciao,
>         
>         benjamin
>         
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From florin at iucha.net  Fri Jul 13 23:08:38 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:08:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] if i build it, they won't come
In-Reply-To: <1184374867.7117.4.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184367070.7117.2.camel@sietch-tabr>
	<101e49ea0707131759l5927c7b4gc65737e0b3f2f141@mail.gmail.com>
	<1184374867.7117.4.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <20070714040838.GM30326@iucha.net>

On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 08:01:07PM -0500, gramlich wrote:
> What hardware should I get besides the basic computer? It only has one
> nic. Do I need another nic? Or do you folks suggest another solution?

You really need two (or three if you want DMZ) nics.

You can make it work with one, but it will be hard to get straight and
not mess it up afterwards.

florin

-- 
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      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 10:59:12 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:59:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
Message-ID: <101e49ea0707140859s4153b32eg6d227494eac445af@mail.gmail.com>

I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have an
easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive without
damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It is recessed in
a little bit.

Thanks for the help.

- Joey
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From jkjones at tcq.net  Sat Jul 14 14:24:18 2007
From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:24:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0707140859s4153b32eg6d227494eac445af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0707140859s4153b32eg6d227494eac445af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469922E2.7090205@tcq.net>

Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have 
> an easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive 
> without damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It 
> is recessed in a little bit.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> - Joey
My best screw-removing trick, though I really doubt that it would work 
in your case, is to cut a slot into what's left of the screw.  The slot 
can be cut into the material surrounding the screw as long as the damage 
done that way does not matter otherwise.  I cut the slot with a hacksaw 
or Dremel tool.  Then carefully back the screw out with an ordinary flat 
screwdriver.

I assume the screw is far too small to drill out and use an Easy-out 
extractor.

Another method that's worked for me once or twice, but again is probably 
not too likely in this case, is to attempt to solder a stiff wire or 
other extension to the top of the screw.  But unless the screw is very 
loose and the heat from soldering does no damage, this method doesn't work.

Good luck!

Kraig


From noly747 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 15:25:56 2007
From: noly747 at gmail.com (jerry Nolan)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:25:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1184432405.15358.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1184432405.15358.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <a636ca1d0707141325t54b41256jfa66f44dc500185f@mail.gmail.com>

purchase a left hand drill bit that is about 3/4 the size of screw
shank. Use a center punch to tap an indentation as close to the exact
center as you can. Put drill in reverse so bit bites into shank.
if you are lucky the shank will back out. If you aren't the hole will
be large enough so that you can put an EZ out into the hole and then
back it out. An alternate method is to cut a slot into the shank (if
there is room) and use a small screw driver and back it out that way.
Use a good quality screw driver for this (craftsman or equivalent)
other wise tip will just bend...Good luck!!

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> I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have an
> easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive without
> damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It is recessed in
> a little bit.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
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From iipreca at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 18:52:21 2007
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:52:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0707140859s4153b32eg6d227494eac445af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-F2126BA5673B7289B4A9BD2AAFE0@phx.gbl>

If the screw is loose...you also might be able to take a pencil eraser and 
shave off the edges so it fits in the hole and try and spin it out as well.

Jesse G



>From: "Joey Rockhold" <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>
>To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>Subject: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:59:12 -0500
>
>I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have an
>easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive without
>damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It is recessed 
>in
>a little bit.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>- Joey


>_______________________________________________
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 22:53:05 2007
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:53:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Nautilus Scripts: FLAC to LAME V0. Syntax question.
Message-ID: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>

Working on a script so I can select multiple folders containing flac
files, and have them automatically encode the flac files to .mp3 V0
for my brother's ipod. I'm close to having things working, just
missing this last bit.

Where it says "lame -V 0" it wants two parameters: source file and
destination file. Unfortunately, that is singular, and it doesn't seem
to like the wildcard in destinations. Any ideas for alternatives? I'm
not a programmer, but I've stumbled through some programs.

Here's the code as it stands (untested bits commented out).

#!/bin/bash
IFS="
"
for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
do
	if [ -d "$i" ]
	then
		cd "$i"
		flac -d *.flac
		lame -V 0 *.wav *.mp3
		# rm -f *.wav
		# cd ..
	fi
done


-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 09:56:46 2007
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:56:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Nautilus Scripts: FLAC to LAME V0. Syntax question.
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890707150752s64e66a73ld3dc309eb60005a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d9a50e890707150752s64e66a73ld3dc309eb60005a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890707150756m533dc1nd1ab6596caeab1cc@mail.gmail.com>

Oops... forgot the reply-all on this one...

sm


On 7/15/07, Sam Martin wrote:
> You could loop over the files with something along the lines of:
>
> for i in *.flac ; do <command using "$i" as filename>; done
>
> As a side note, I'd probably also pipe the output of "flac -d
> <somefile>" directly to lame, avoiding messing with the intermediate
> *.wav files.  Something like
>
> <code>
> for i in *.flac
> do
>     filebase=`basename "$i"`
>     flac -d -o - "$i" | lame -V0 - > "$filebase.mp3"
> done
> </code>
>
> ought to suffice.  I haven't tried it, but it should work with some tinkering.
>
> Alternatively, I've had good luck with MP3FS
> (http://mp3fs.sourceforge.net/), which lets you mount a tree of flac
> audio files as a parallel tree of "virtual" mp3 files.  You can then
> copy the mp3 files (e.g., to an ipod), at which point they're encoded
> from the flac sources.
>
> sm
>
>
>
> On 7/14/07, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > Working on a script so I can select multiple folders containing flac
> > files, and have them automatically encode the flac files to .mp3 V0
> > for my brother's ipod. I'm close to having things working, just
> > missing this last bit.
> >
> > Where it says "lame -V 0" it wants two parameters: source file and
> > destination file. Unfortunately, that is singular, and it doesn't seem
> > to like the wildcard in destinations. Any ideas for alternatives? I'm
> > not a programmer, but I've stumbled through some programs.
> >
> > Here's the code as it stands (untested bits commented out).
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > IFS="
> > "
> > for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
> > do
> >         if [ -d "$i" ]
> >         then
> >                 cd "$i"
> >                 flac -d *.flac
> >                 lame -V 0 *.wav *.mp3
> >                 # rm -f *.wav
> >                 # cd ..
> >         fi
> > done
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jordan Peacock
> > hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
> > hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>


From josh at joshwelch.com  Sun Jul 15 12:57:26 2007
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:57:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
In-Reply-To: <469922E2.7090205@tcq.net>
References: <101e49ea0707140859s4153b32eg6d227494eac445af@mail.gmail.com>
	<469922E2.7090205@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <20070715125726.z38g616pjp28oww8@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have
> an easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive
> without damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It
> is recessed in a little bit.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> - Joey

I can't remember the real name, we called them easy outs when I was 
working in the hardware business (hardware as in Home Depot, not as in 
Microcenter). You drill a small hole in what remains of the screw and 
wedge the easy out in that hole and use that to turn the screw out. I'm 
not sure if they make them in a size small enough for your use case, 
but it might be worth looking into.

Josh


From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Jul 16 07:36:21 2007
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:36:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Re:  Broke off screw head
Message-ID: <20070716073621.7d8fzbsltbswwsc0@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>


I believe that this was intended for the list...
----- Forwarded message from sos at zjod.net -----
    Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:17:43 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Steve Siegfried <sos at zjod.net>
Reply-To: Steve Siegfried <sos at zjod.net>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
      To: Josh Welch <josh at joshwelch.com>

Josh Welch wrote:
>
> Joey Rockhold wrote:
> > I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have
> > an easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive
> > without damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It
> > is recessed in a little bit.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > - Joey
>
> I can't remember the real name, we called them easy outs when I was 
> working in the hardware business (hardware as in Home Depot, not as 
> in Microcenter). You drill a small hole in what remains of the screw 
> and wedge the easy out in that hole and use that to turn the screw 
> out. I'm not sure if they make them in a size small enough for your 
> use case, but it might be worth looking into.
>
> Josh

Or... you could just leave it there.  Most hard drives have 4 screw holes
to secure 'em to their mounting bracket.  Normally, two screws do the
job quite nicely (unless you subject the box to a lot of vibration by,
say, mounting it in the trunk of your car).

Once installed a drive using Velcro sticky tape and it's still working'idly,

-S


----- End forwarded message -----



From wdtj at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 10:38:04 2007
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:38:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Re:  Broke off screw head
In-Reply-To: <20070716073621.7d8fzbsltbswwsc0@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>
Message-ID: <609902.50572.qm@web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

There's also super glue and duct tape  8{)>

Josh Welch <josh at joshwelch.com> wrote: 
I believe that this was intended for the list...
----- Forwarded message from sos at zjod.net -----
    Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:17:43 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Steve Siegfried 
Reply-To: Steve Siegfried 
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Broke off screw head
      To: Josh Welch 

Josh Welch wrote:
>
> Joey Rockhold wrote:
> > I have a screw head that broke off on a hard drive.  Does anyone have
> > an easy trick to extract the rest of the screw out of the hard drive
> > without damaging the threads (or the hard drive for that matter).  It
> > is recessed in a little bit.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > - Joey
>
> I can't remember the real name, we called them easy outs when I was 
> working in the hardware business (hardware as in Home Depot, not as 
> in Microcenter). You drill a small hole in what remains of the screw 
> and wedge the easy out in that hole and use that to turn the screw 
> out. I'm not sure if they make them in a size small enough for your 
> use case, but it might be worth looking into.
>
> Josh

Or... you could just leave it there.  Most hard drives have 4 screw holes
to secure 'em to their mounting bracket.  Normally, two screws do the
job quite nicely (unless you subject the box to a lot of vibration by,
say, mounting it in the trunk of your car).

Once installed a drive using Velcro sticky tape and it's still working'idly,

-S


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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jul 16 11:32:56 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:32:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] small distro for app
Message-ID: <4975.10.10.1.1.1184603576.squirrel@lctn.org>

I am looking for a small distro to run bacula on. Hoping to keep it under
100Mb. I know there is a ton out there, but not sure which one would have
everything necessary to install bacula with mysql, or sqlite.

Raymond

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From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 12:22:15 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:22:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] small distro for app
In-Reply-To: <4975.10.10.1.1.1184603576.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <4975.10.10.1.1.1184603576.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80707161022i227a8f5es4c3fdb4eb368a7d3@mail.gmail.com>

Lamppix is a relative of Damn Small Linux.

It already has mysql and is 157M,
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/lamppix/.

http://lamppix.tinowagner.com/

Brock

On 7/16/07, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I am looking for a small distro to run bacula on. Hoping to keep it under
> 100Mb. I know there is a ton out there, but not sure which one would have
> everything necessary to install bacula with mysql, or sqlite.
>
> Raymond
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 16 12:31:38 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:31:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707161731.l6GHVcV24266@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: IBM Intellistation

SuSE Open Linux 10.2 box. Pentium II, 375MB RAM, 12GB IDE DRIVE, SCSI on board, NIC. Great for server (FTP,DNS,DHCP) and speed for surfing and emai. Windows Server 2003 has been run on this box as Active Directory DC.

Seller Email address: gary at jollymore dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 16 12:38:35 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:38:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Nautilus Scripts: FLAC to LAME V0. Syntax question.
In-Reply-To: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161231250.25583@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> Working on a script so I can select multiple folders containing flac 
> files, and have them automatically encode the flac files to .mp3 V0 for 
> my brother's ipod. I'm close to having things working, just missing this 
> last bit.
>
> Where it says "lame -V 0" it wants two parameters: source file and 
> destination file. Unfortunately, that is singular, and it doesn't seem 
> to like the wildcard in destinations. Any ideas for alternatives? I'm 
> not a programmer, but I've stumbled through some programs.
>
> Here's the code as it stands (untested bits commented out).
>
> #!/bin/bash
> IFS="
> "
> for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
> do
> 	if [ -d "$i" ]
> 	then
> 		cd "$i"
> 		flac -d *.flac
> 		lame -V 0 *.wav *.mp3
> 		# rm -f *.wav
> 		# cd ..
> 	fi
> done

I think you need an internal for loop like so:


#!/bin/bash
IFS="
"
for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
do
         if [ -d "$i" ]
         then
                 cd "$i"
                 for file in `\ls -` *.flac | perl -pe 's/^(.*)\.flac$/$1/'` ; do
                      flac -d "${file}.flac"
                      lame -V 0 "${file}.wav" "${file}.mp3"
                      # rm -f "${file}.wav"
                      # cd -
                 done
         fi
done


The perl bit is just taking the .flac extension off of the filename so 
that you can use the rest of the file name with .wav, .mp3, or whatever.

Mike


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 16 12:43:37 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:43:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707161743.l6GHhbB27519@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Rack Mount PC

MEPIS 2.6 Linux w/Intel motherboard.  Pentium II, 378MB RAM, 10GB IDE DRIVE, NIC. Has had Windows Server 2003 running as Domain Controller. Pickup in Lake Elmo.  

Seller Email address: gary at jollymore dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Jul 16 14:30:18 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:30:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Nautilus Scripts: FLAC to LAME V0. Syntax question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161231250.25583@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161231250.25583@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161428460.16767@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Mike Miller wrote:

> #!/bin/bash
> IFS="
> "
> for i in $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS
> do
>         if [ -d "$i" ]
>         then
>                 cd "$i"
>                 for file in `\ls -` *.flac | perl -pe 's/^(.*)\.flac$/$1/'` ; do


That line had a typo:  a back tick was supposed to be a 1:

for file in `\ls -1 *.flac | perl -pe 's/^(.*)\.flac$/$1/'` ; do

That should help a lot!

Mike


>                      flac -d "${file}.flac"
>                      lame -V 0 "${file}.wav" "${file}.mp3"
>                      # rm -f "${file}.wav"
>                      # cd -
>                 done
>         fi
> done
>
>
> The perl bit is just taking the .flac extension off of the filename so
> that you can use the rest of the file name with .wav, .mp3, or whatever.
>
> Mike
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jul 16 14:49:52 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:49:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707161949.l6GJnq802697@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Supermicro, 4U, Dual 2.4, 4GB, 3Ware RAID

Supermicro 4U Chassis, X5DPE-G2 Motherboard, Dual 2.4GHz Xeon CPU, 4GB RAM, 1-80GB WD HDD, Triple Redundant 600W Power Supply, CD, 3Ware 7506-8 ATA 133 Raid Controller Card (controls 8 drives), Slide Rails, 15-Drive Bays-NO DRIVES (Avid Caddy IP-010-2104 2-E IP-010-2103 2-E for ATA/IDE Hard Drive), RHEL 2.4.2 (password on system). 

These systems are configured as a Unistar NAS

$500 each
3-pcs still available

Sincerely,
 
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com



Seller Email address: cdubois at n-vint dot com

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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 16:32:36 2007
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:32:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Nautilus Scripts: FLAC to LAME V0. Syntax question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161428460.16767@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250707142053k507c15d3q526984bcde7ef8f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161231250.25583@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0707161428460.16767@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250707181432n49e161d4sdad87ecb956daebd@mail.gmail.com>

The internal loop was a great idea....however the mp3fs app beat the
pants off of everything!!! It took mere minutes to set up and I had a
full virtual filesystem of mp3s, and I could even right-click on the
parent directories to get the 'size' of the mp3s inside, once they
would encode. Brilliant and thank you.

-- 

Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com


From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Wed Jul 18 17:33:57 2007
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:33:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] esd clue?
Message-ID: <469E9555.3080400@greatlakedata.com>

i want to capture sound along with a remote vnc session and play it
where i'm viewing the session (eg running firefox and sometimes flash).
i can't even come up with the proper incantation to the google god, i
get incessant irrelevant answers.

esd supposedly makes this easy, but i'm in need of a clue.  (fc5)

tia,
greg wm


From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 12:51:22 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:51:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Certification Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <20070706041947.F39A014B7@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <1183654110.3158.1.camel@desktop>
	<82d43d110707051111j6f237191s2cbc74f0aac80cba@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070706041947.F39A014B7@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020707191051n7d3668d2lcd0a790d7a533d3f@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking as the guy Chad hired to replace him...

It's my experience that hardware in the enterprise is disposable. Our
shop is almost entirely Dell. If the hardware in question is still
covered by warranty, we get warranty parts via parts direct. If it's
out of warranty and it's a problem beyond swapping the hard drive,
memory, or PCI/AGP/PCIe/whatever card with whatever we have in the
spare parts bin, the box goes into our recycle bin. Our servers have
extended service plans so they don't end up in the recycle bin. Most
hardware troubleshooting comes down to recognizing the symptoms and
the likely causes of those symptoms. A+ can teach you some of this,
but experience will teach you more.

MCSE does have some value IF you have experience to back up the MCSE.
If you don't have any experience on your resume, MCSE really only
shows that you can read a Microsoft text book and regurgitate the
content of the book on the test page. I've worked through multiple MS
certification books, and the labs are often just the tip of the
iceburg. You may touch a few of the most common things and
configurations, but I've found most of the information to be here's
the tool you use for this task, and here are a few simple settings
that won't break anything. Search google (or read the helpfile) to
figure out what the rest of the settings do.

The main vendor certification you want to look at is Cisco. I have a
Cisco certification book handy for reference, but I haven't gone in
depth and tried to pass the certification exams yet. If you want to
get involved in networking at all, you'll want to at least know Cisco.
At the very least you'll want to be able to tell your interviewer how
the most common method used to reset the password on Cisco equipment
from memory. And now that I've posted that, I'll have to remember to
review my Cisco book before I interview for any future jobs as I've
been a good admin the past few years and documented all the
switch/router passwords. :)

I've only glanced at the security certifications, but they look good,
though I worry about some of them falling into the same trap as MCSE
down the road as security is the current hot thing for making a buck
in IT.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 08:36:35 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (gramlich)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:36:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
Message-ID: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>

Does anyone on the list have experience programming in Assembly? If so,
do you have a favorite book that you've used to learn the language in
intel pentium processors?

Thanks,

Benjamin



From samir.list at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 12:45:57 2007
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:45:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Job Posting
Message-ID: <1e6142750707201045x1814bf3ej4e65a4da642c5eba@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

  My current employer is looking for a full time IT administrator.  A good
bit of the job will be dealing with maintaining servers, mail
servers, asterisk, probably some minor abuse of perl/python, infrastructure
design, maybe a little bit of Cisco if needed.

Virtually 95% of the company is being run on Linux, Gentoo specifically.

if you have any interest, email me off-list.

 --
Samir
PS. don't be discouraged if you're missing some of the skills I listed.
 Email me anyways if you have any interest.
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From bhurt at spnz.org  Fri Jul 20 18:08:01 2007
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201856090.16359@localhost>



On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, gramlich wrote:

> Does anyone on the list have experience programming in Assembly?

Yes.

> If so,
> do you have a favorite book that you've used to learn the language in
> intel pentium processors?

I learned it from the Intel manuals, and reading the output of gcc, but 
this was back in the days of the 386sx, and I'd had an assembly language 
class back in college.

If you want to learn assembly language in general, kudos to you- and I 
recommend starting with the 68K, or maybe the PPC.  A nice, simple, 
regular instruction set, and not the bloated chaotic beast which is the 
x86.  Note that assembly language is, effectively, assembly language- if 
what you want is an understanding of what the computer is doing at the 
lowest levels, and how it's doing it, knowing just about any assembly 
language is sufficient (and necessary, IMHO).  The main operations of the 
x86 are no different than that of the 68K or PPC.  And those architectures 
are a lot easier to understand.  And, if you have the time, the x86 is a 
lot easier to understand once you understand those simpler architectures.

If it's the x86 specifically you need, i.e. you're going to be doing some 
serious x86 hacking, you want the intel books- although they're probably 
not the books you want to learn from.  I haven't read any of the recent 
crop of "learn assembly language of the x86" books, so I can't advise you 
there.  Sorry.

Brian


From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 18:26:47 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (gramlich)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:26:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201856090.16359@localhost>
References: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201856090.16359@localhost>
Message-ID: <1184974007.24532.3.camel@sietch-tabr>

Well, I am interested in learning assembly to understand the computer, I
was just thinking that x86 would be the way to go since it's the type of
machine I own.

How successful would I be trying to get a ppc processor emulated in
Qemu? I've used it for testing out other distros, but it seems a bit
unstable even when the emulated machine is an x86.

What's your advice? Also, what is this high level assembly I keep
reading about. Is it pseudo code for teaching purposes or is it
legitimate?

Thanks,
Benjamin


On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 19:08 -0400, Brian Hurt wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, gramlich wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone on the list have experience programming in Assembly?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If so,
> > do you have a favorite book that you've used to learn the language in
> > intel pentium processors?
> 
> I learned it from the Intel manuals, and reading the output of gcc, but 
> this was back in the days of the 386sx, and I'd had an assembly language 
> class back in college.
> 
> If you want to learn assembly language in general, kudos to you- and I 
> recommend starting with the 68K, or maybe the PPC.  A nice, simple, 
> regular instruction set, and not the bloated chaotic beast which is the 
> x86.  Note that assembly language is, effectively, assembly language- if 
> what you want is an understanding of what the computer is doing at the 
> lowest levels, and how it's doing it, knowing just about any assembly 
> language is sufficient (and necessary, IMHO).  The main operations of the 
> x86 are no different than that of the 68K or PPC.  And those architectures 
> are a lot easier to understand.  And, if you have the time, the x86 is a 
> lot easier to understand once you understand those simpler architectures.
> 
> If it's the x86 specifically you need, i.e. you're going to be doing some 
> serious x86 hacking, you want the intel books- although they're probably 
> not the books you want to learn from.  I haven't read any of the recent 
> crop of "learn assembly language of the x86" books, so I can't advise you 
> there.  Sorry.
> 
> Brian



From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 18:37:22 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:37:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMECDCIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of gramlich
>
> Does anyone on the list have experience programming in Assembly? If so,
> do you have a favorite book that you've used to learn the language in
> intel pentium processors?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Benjamin

Haven't done much recently, but have done a bunch on various types of
processors.

Best way to learn is to look through open source examples to see how various
groups do supportable code or systems work, etc.  If you are trying to learn
PC coding, I think it's best to mostly ignore other processor types that are
very different because their coding approaches will be different also at
system compatibility levels.

While one must go to "reference manuals" for the exact syntax, etc, one may
only learn spagetti code that way and may not use a form or style that fits
with operating system contexts.  Some/most environments set up register
usage conventions so that calls can pass parameters in a standard way.
Knowing tricks like that can save needing to do cumbersome "workaround code"
to interface interrupts, etc.  The result will be more lean and bug-free.

Find something like utilities or applications you like and spruce them up as
a learning exercise.


Chuck




From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 18:56:12 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (gramlich)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:56:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMECDCIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMECDCIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1184975772.26678.1.camel@sietch-tabr>

Another question along these lines. What's the difference between 32-bit
assembly and 64-bit assembly for x86? Are the 64-bit instructions a
superset or are there other changes I should be aware of?

bg



From bhurt at spnz.org  Fri Jul 20 19:04:32 2007
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:04:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <1184974007.24532.3.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201856090.16359@localhost>
	<1184974007.24532.3.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201950120.16359@localhost>



On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, gramlich wrote:

> Well, I am interested in learning assembly to understand the computer, I
> was just thinking that x86 would be the way to go since it's the type of
> machine I own.

The problem with the x86 is all the legacy crap.  Not to mention quite a 
few flat out bad designs, plus a whole boatload of unnecessary complexity 
no one uses- now or ever.

>
> How successful would I be trying to get a ppc processor emulated in
> Qemu? I've used it for testing out other distros, but it seems a bit
> unstable even when the emulated machine is an x86.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think 68K would be a 
better first assembler.  There are quite a few 68K assemblers kicking 
about.  EASy68k looks nice, but it's windows-only:
http://www.monroeccc.edu/ckelly/EASy68K.htm

One other thing I'd consider is finding an old PPC or 68K Mac to play on- 
one can probably be had for cheap if not free.  This list is a good place 
to ask.

>
> What's your advice? Also, what is this high level assembly I keep
> reading about. Is it pseudo code for teaching purposes or is it
> legitimate?

It's called "C", and I recommend learning it after learning assembly 
language.  C makes a heck of a lot more sense if you know what's going on 
at the assembler level (*any* assembler)- for example, the pointer/array 
confusion makes perfect sense when you remember that a pointer is just an 
address on the assembly level.

Brian



From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 20:33:21 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:33:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <1184938595.6351.14.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0707201833h18fe5beap2f26603a2da31370@mail.gmail.com>

Assembly Langugage Step-by-Step: Programming with DOS and Linux.

http://www.amazon.com/Assembly-Language-Step-step-Programming/dp/0471375233/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/002-3524459-7238467?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184981310&sr=8-4

This is a book I read most of sometime around the 2000-2001 timeframe.  I
don't believe I finished it, mostly because I got busy with other languages
I was actually using ;) But I do recommend it for beginners to assembly,
it's fun.

- Joey


On 7/20/07, gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list have experience programming in Assembly? If so,
> do you have a favorite book that you've used to learn the language in
> intel pentium processors?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From bhurt at spnz.org  Sat Jul 21 09:58:58 2007
From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <1184975772.26678.1.camel@sietch-tabr>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMECDCIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<1184975772.26678.1.camel@sietch-tabr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707211056400.16359@localhost>



On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, gramlich wrote:

> Another question along these lines. What's the difference between 32-bit
> assembly and 64-bit assembly for x86? Are the 64-bit instructions a
> superset or are there other changes I should be aware of?

Well, the main difference is that registers now are 64 bits wide, instead 
of just 32 bits wide.  There are also 8 new registers, plus a couple of 
new addressing modes (to allow you to manipulate 32-bit data in 64-bit 
more), and some other minor details.  But AMD's 64-bit extension is about 
as unobtrusive as you could have hoped for.

At the level you're at, there isn't much of a difference.  The ideas are 
still the same.

Brian



From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 20:01:53 2007
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:01:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] esd clue?
In-Reply-To: <469E9555.3080400@greatlakedata.com>
References: <469E9555.3080400@greatlakedata.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890707211801n276fdfcdieaa94fa24ae11378@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/18/07, greg wm wrote:
> i want to capture sound along with a remote vnc session and play it
> where i'm viewing the session (eg running firefox and sometimes flash).
> i can't even come up with the proper incantation to the google god, i
> get incessant irrelevant answers.
>
> esd supposedly makes this easy, but i'm in need of a clue.  (fc5)

I got curious, and the only relevant document I came across via some
random Googling was a howto targeted at linux server -> windows client
(http://www.liquid-reality.de/main/projects/esound).  I haven't tried
it, so it may need tinkering to get it to work:

<snip (edited a bit for a *nix->*nix connection)>
On the client:
$ esd -tcp -public

On the server:
$ ESPEAKER=<ip>:16001 <app>
Where <ip> is the ip address of your client, and <app> is the
application whose audio you want to send to the remote machine.
</snip>

I don't know how picky you are about A/V sync, but I'd imagine that it
would be annoying for watching, e.g., a flash video.  I also don't
know if firefox will use esd by default on your system.  You may need
to set FIREFOX_DSP to "esd" (see
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84371 -- an Ubuntu forum
thread, I realize, but relevant).  You could give it a shot, though.

If you're flexible as to the remote desktop app, you could try using
freenx with an nx client.  I believe audio is directly supported by
freenx, and the visuals are generally quite a bit snappier than VNC,
especially over slower links.


sm


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jul 22 15:34:45 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:34:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707222034.l6MKYj805564@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: cisco 1100 access point

cisco 1100 wireless access point, includes power over ethernet injector.  currently has an 802.11b radio in it, however, you can get different flavored radios for this unit. 

includes stand.

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jul 22 15:38:41 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:38:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707222038.l6MKcfa07807@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: cisco 806 dual ethernet router

cisco 806 dual ethernet router with 8M flash and 32M of DRAM.   recently upgraded the home configuration on this and i'm putting this for sale.   this unit supports IPSec and the firewall feature sets.  it's a very nice little unit.

a picture of the back of this can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2z5sod

asking $200 / OBO.

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jul 22 21:25:57 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707230225.l6N2PvM15722@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz)

1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy floater laptop around the house. 

misc. additional stuff
- integrated bluetooth
- integrated Wireless
- integrated gigabit ethernet
- USB 2.0 ports
- firewire 400 port
- firewire 800 port
- fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10)
- includes spare battery
- includes system restoration disc

$200 / OBO

more pictures here: 
http://tinyurl.com/252yd3


Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From samir.list at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 10:46:34 2007
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:46:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Job Posting
In-Reply-To: <1e6142750707201045x1814bf3ej4e65a4da642c5eba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e6142750707201045x1814bf3ej4e65a4da642c5eba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e6142750707230846i2da2c165la2d734251b4f8bf1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

  So, I made a minor goof up.  For some reason, I thought the tclug was a
local list in the area.  (The Job I posted was for the Chicago area.  ) Now,
I'll be happy to take resumes and pass them on to my employer, but just be
aware of the location.  If you're still interested feel free to contact me,
sorry about this.

--
Samir

On 7/20/07, Samir Faci <samir.list at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>   My current employer is looking for a full time IT administrator.  A good
> bit of the job will be dealing with maintaining servers, mail
> servers, asterisk, probably some minor abuse of perl/python,
> infrastructure design, maybe a little bit of Cisco if needed.
>
> Virtually 95% of the company is being run on Linux, Gentoo specifically.
>
> if you have any interest, email me off-list.
>
>  --
> Samir
> PS. don't be discouraged if you're missing some of the skills I listed.
>  Email me anyways if you have any interest.
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From pcutler at foresightlinux.org  Mon Jul 23 19:35:28 2007
From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:35:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] August Meeting - Call For Speaker
Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0707231735u3b941357o8f68aaf3d711c1d8@mail.gmail.com>

Our fearless TCLUG meeting organizer Jeremy is traveling this week,
and asked for some help with the upcoming August meeting.

There has been considerable interest from the TCLUG community on
having an upcoming talk on virtualisation.  One TCLUG member (Tim?)
volunteered to talk, but I don't have his contact info.  Tim, if
you're out there please drop me an email.

If there are any other volunteers out there who would like to
volunteer, and give a brief talk or demo a virtual machiner such as
QEMU, VMware, etc, I know we would love to have you.

Please feel free to drop Jeremy (tclug at lizakowski) and myself
(pcutler at foresightlinux.org) an email.

Thanks!

Paul


From tnelsonmn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 21:51:26 2007
From: tnelsonmn at gmail.com (Troy Nelson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:51:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking presenters on Open Source development
Message-ID: <67987e230707231951s72a21271sc27bfc8d94b6e04f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

My name is Troy Nelson and I am the Program Chair for the metro area
Association of Information Technology Professionals (www.nwaitp.org) I am
seeking presenters for an upcoming AITP meeting who have first-hand
experience working on Open Source projects.

Our organization's focus is on helping our membership learn about various
opportunities and options in the Information Technology field. Our
membership ranges from students to junior developers, all levels of IT
leaders. Our focus this year is on "Web 2.0" and collaborative technologies.
Our membership is seeking one or more presenters to discuss their
experiences working on Open Source development projects with distributed
teams. We're most interested in the project management and collaborative
efforts involved and how they differ from the traditional corporate IT
approach to solutions development.

If you or anyone you know is interested, I would appreciate an opportunity
to discuss your experiences and have you present at an upcoming meeting.
Please check out our site at www.nwaitp.org for more information.

Thanks,
Troy Nelson
tnelsonMN at gmail.com
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue Jul 24 10:10:27 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:10:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707241510.l6OFARK20566@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: low end pc stuff

ram:
pc 100 128mb

Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From k0sdh at visi.com  Tue Jul 24 23:46:26 2007
From: k0sdh at visi.com (Steven Huntsman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Opera on Linux Box
Message-ID: <op.tvz7jonpeg3ft4@ubuntu>

Help,
My Linux box is running Ubuntu-V7.04 and I prefer the Opera browser/email  
program.

However, the Opera behaves strangely;  it sometimes downloads email  
quickly but most times it is very slow & sometimes not at all.

How does one trouble shoot??

Thanks, Steve

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/


From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Wed Jul 25 16:17:54 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fluxbox auto hide taskbar and maximized applications
Message-ID: <46A7BE02.9080804@poetworld.net>


What's the Fluxbox auto hide taskbar configuration for maximized 
applications?  The taskbar hides as it should but won't appear if I have 
one or more applications maximized. Moving my cursor to the screen 
bottom produces no taskbar. If I have no applications maximized the 
taskbar appears with the same action.
 




From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jul 26 17:44:34 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:44:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707262244.l6QMiYJ16295@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Hard Drive Disk Shelf 

Selling a Compaq Proliant Disk shelf that contains 12 x 9.1GB SCSI hard drives and a compaq raid controller. I have provided the software to configure the raid controller. This was pulled from a working enviroment. I used it to backup up documents/pictures/music and desktops at my house. I am also throwing in two extra drives incase of a failure. 

$100/bo . 


Seller Email address: aptget79 at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Jul 27 02:20:28 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:20:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
Message-ID: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>


First I want to thanks the people that have been having the TCLUG 
meeting over the last few months, that is great!

Unfortunately I am unable to attend a meeting during the week, it is not 
feasible for me to work all day then drive to a meeting and get home 
around 9. So that is why I am starting this meeting Saturdays at TIES.  
If people are interested I will continue to have the meeting,  (right 
now I have meeting dates scheduled through November).  This is not meant 
as a "challenge" to the TCLUG meeting, it is just another option.  Go to 
a meeting that works best for you, or talk about something you are 
interested in.

With that said, I am having a Linux Meeting this coming Saturday July 
28, 2007 starting at 10:00.  I will talk about "Monitoring your hard 
disks status" (see the web page http://www.PenguinsUnbound.com for more 
info)  I plan on talking for about 1 hour, then I will open up for any 
Linux or OSS questions.

If you are questions or comments you can email me at 
penguinsunbound at Goecke-Dolan.com

Thanks, I hope to see you at a Linux Meeting someday!

==>brian.

BTW.  I am planning an "Back to school with Linux Install Fest" August 
18th, see the web page for info.




From nate at refried.org  Fri Jul 27 08:07:38 2007
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:07:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
In-Reply-To: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <20070727130738.GA14693@refried.org>

On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 02:20:28AM -0500, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> So that is why I am starting this meeting Saturdays at TIES.  

Where is "TIES?"  Can you post an address and directions?

Nate


From dalan at visi.com  Fri Jul 27 11:48:13 2007
From: dalan at visi.com (Don Sparish)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:48:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28,
	2007
In-Reply-To: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
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From beck0778 at umn.edu  Fri Jul 27 12:19:18 2007
From: beck0778 at umn.edu (beck0778 at umn.edu)
Date: 27 Jul 2007 12:19:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28,
	2007
Message-ID: <Prayer.1.0.16.0707271219180.6606@wm1.tc.umn.edu>

I'm not associated with TIES, but here's what I found:

http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/

TIES apprears to be a colaboration between 40 school districts in 
Minnesota, to provide "cutting-edge software applications, hardware and 
software, Internet services and professional development."

It appears that Brian Dolan-Goecke is employed at TIES, and they are 
graciously allowing him to hold meetings there on Saturdays. The building 
is located at 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 (at the 
intersection of Snelling and Larpenteur Avenues).

For directions, see http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/Find_TIES.html

Hope to see you there,

Matthew
beck0778 at umn.edu


From dru at druswanderings.net  Fri Jul 27 12:05:33 2007
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:05:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [tclug-announce] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28,
 2007
In-Reply-To: <web-5686254@mailback2.g2host.com>
References: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<web-5686254@mailback2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <46AA25DD.5020007@druswanderings.net>

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Don Sparish wrote:
> I would like to attend, but I don't know where TIES is. Could you
> provide an address where this meeting will be held?

>> disks status" (see the web page
>>http://www.PenguinsUnbound.com for more
>> info) 

It's all there on the website under "Location for Meetings".

- --
Andy Moore
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Jul 27 12:36:26 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:36:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
In-Reply-To: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <46AA2D1A.4030508@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Sorry about lack of location informatoin.

There location info is on the web site, I also added a link to the
bottom of the meeting page.

TIES is located at the corner of Snelling and Larpentuer (the old grand
building on the south west corner). We will be meeting in the Learning
and Technology Conference room, which is on the first floor in the west
wing of the building. The doors under the skyway to the parking garage
will be unlocked, please enter there. You can park in the parking lot
just south of the building. The front door will be LOCKED, only the west
doors in the west wing of the building will be open.

Here are some links to help you get there

Meeting page location link,
http://www.penguinsunbound.net/Location_for_Meetings

Link to "How to find TIES" on the ties webpage
http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/Find_TIES.html

Link to a google map of TIES.
http://www.google.com/maps?q=1667+Snelling+Ave+N,+St+Paul,+MN+55108,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=44.991148,-93.166981&spn=0.054449,0.062828&t=h&z=14&om=1

Thanks.

==>brian.

Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> First I want to thanks the people that have been having the TCLUG 
> meeting over the last few months, that is great!
>
> Unfortunately I am unable to attend a meeting during the week, it is not 
> feasible for me to work all day then drive to a meeting and get home 
> around 9. So that is why I am starting this meeting Saturdays at TIES.  
> If people are interested I will continue to have the meeting,  (right 
> now I have meeting dates scheduled through November).  This is not meant 
> as a "challenge" to the TCLUG meeting, it is just another option.  Go to 
> a meeting that works best for you, or talk about something you are 
> interested in.
>
> With that said, I am having a Linux Meeting this coming Saturday July 
> 28, 2007 starting at 10:00.  I will talk about "Monitoring your hard 
> disks status" (see the web page http://www.PenguinsUnbound.com for more 
> info)  I plan on talking for about 1 hour, then I will open up for any 
> Linux or OSS questions.
>
> If you are questions or comments you can email me at 
> penguinsunbound at Goecke-Dolan.com
>
> Thanks, I hope to see you at a Linux Meeting someday!
>
> ==>brian.
>
> BTW.  I am planning an "Back to school with Linux Install Fest" August 
> 18th, see the web page for info.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 27 14:07:32 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:07:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
In-Reply-To: <46A99CBC.2090501@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEDACIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

Sounds good!  The TIES location sure beats going to UMN for me on any day.
Got wireless there for meeting folk?  Not critical, but nice for getting
some relevant stuff.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Dolan-Goecke
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:20 AM
> Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I am unable to attend a meeting during the week, it is not
> feasible for me to work all day then drive to a meeting and get home
> around 9. So that is why I am starting this meeting Saturdays at TIES.
>
> With that said, I am having a Linux Meeting this coming Saturday July
> 28, 2007 starting at 10:00.
>



From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 27 14:20:38 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:20:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
In-Reply-To: <46AA2D1A.4030508@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGMEDACIAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

Implied, but not stated that meetings will be monthly.  4th Saturday
recurrence?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Dolan-Goecke
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:36 PM
> To: Brian Dolan-Goecke
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A Linux Meeting Saturday July 28, 2007
>
>
> Sorry about lack of location informatoin.
>
> There location info is on the web site, I also added a link to the
> bottom of the meeting page.
>
> TIES is located at the corner of Snelling and Larpentuer (the old grand
> building on the south west corner). We will be meeting in the Learning
> and Technology Conference room, which is on the first floor in the west
> wing of the building. The doors under the skyway to the parking garage
> will be unlocked, please enter there. You can park in the parking lot
> just south of the building. The front door will be LOCKED, only the west
> doors in the west wing of the building will be open.
>
> Here are some links to help you get there
>
> Meeting page location link,
> http://www.penguinsunbound.net/Location_for_Meetings
>
> Link to "How to find TIES" on the ties webpage
> http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/Find_TIES.html
>
> Link to a google map of TIES.
> http://www.google.com/maps?q=1667+Snelling+Ave+N,+St+Paul,+MN+5510
> 8,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=44.991148,-93.166981&spn=0.054449,0.062828&t=h&z=14&om=1
>
> Thanks.
>
> ==>brian.
>
> Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> > First I want to thanks the people that have been having the TCLUG
> > meeting over the last few months, that is great!
> >
> > Unfortunately I am unable to attend a meeting during the week,
> it is not
> > feasible for me to work all day then drive to a meeting and get home
> > around 9. So that is why I am starting this meeting Saturdays at TIES.
> > If people are interested I will continue to have the meeting,  (right
> > now I have meeting dates scheduled through November).  This is
> not meant
> > as a "challenge" to the TCLUG meeting, it is just another
> option.  Go to
> > a meeting that works best for you, or talk about something you are
> > interested in.
> >
> > With that said, I am having a Linux Meeting this coming Saturday July
> > 28, 2007 starting at 10:00.  I will talk about "Monitoring your hard
> > disks status" (see the web page http://www.PenguinsUnbound.com for more
> > info)  I plan on talking for about 1 hour, then I will open up for any
> > Linux or OSS questions.
> >
> > If you are questions or comments you can email me at
> > penguinsunbound at Goecke-Dolan.com
> >
> > Thanks, I hope to see you at a Linux Meeting someday!
> >
> > ==>brian.
> >
> > BTW.  I am planning an "Back to school with Linux Install Fest" August
> > 18th, see the web page for info.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jul 28 15:40:22 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:40:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707282040.l6SKeMQ13356@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: netgear ps110

free to a good home.  you have to pick it up.

netgear ps110 in perfect condition.  

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jul 28 15:41:49 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:41:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707282041.l6SKfnX14361@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: netgear fs108 (8 port 10/100 switch)

free to a good home.  8 port 10/100 switch (unmanaged)  

netgear fs108

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jul 28 18:42:00 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:42:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200707282342.l6SNg0j24706@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: netgear fs116 (16 port 10/100 switch)

free to a good home.  16 port 10/100 switch (unmanaged)  

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From wdtj at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 29 20:44:55 2007
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Assembly programming
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201950120.16359@localhost>
Message-ID: <404024.61078.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I started out on an IBM 360 assembler out of school. The 360 used stone knives and bear skins.  I picked up Mac80 (as they called it back then) from the Intel manuals.  Now I find myself digging through X86, PPC and Sparc in dumps quite often.  Don't know how anyone can debug code without knowing a little assembly.  I found that reading the assembly that comes out of the compiler is a good starting point, along with a machine code reference manual.
 
 Might I suggest downloading the Atmel IDE and compiler.  Atmel chips run everything from 8 pin ICs to 64 pin with Mbs of flash, eeprom and RAM memory.  The IDE has a fairly nice emulator that lets you watch as instructions are run.  Gives you a nice feel for using registers, stacks, and mapped IO.  The IDE is much like the VisualC++ 6.0 IDE and there are Linux versions as well.  Even runs gcc.

Brian Hurt <bhurt at spnz.org> wrote: 

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, gramlich wrote:

> Well, I am interested in learning assembly to understand the computer, I
> was just thinking that x86 would be the way to go since it's the type of
> machine I own.

The problem with the x86 is all the legacy crap.  Not to mention quite a 
few flat out bad designs, plus a whole boatload of unnecessary complexity 
no one uses- now or ever.

>
> How successful would I be trying to get a ppc processor emulated in
> Qemu? I've used it for testing out other distros, but it seems a bit
> unstable even when the emulated machine is an x86.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think 68K would be a 
better first assembler.  There are quite a few 68K assemblers kicking 
about.  EASy68k looks nice, but it's windows-only:
http://www.monroeccc.edu/ckelly/EASy68K.htm

One other thing I'd consider is finding an old PPC or 68K Mac to play on- 
one can probably be had for cheap if not free.  This list is a good place 
to ask.

>
> What's your advice? Also, what is this high level assembly I keep
> reading about. Is it pseudo code for teaching purposes or is it
> legitimate?

It's called "C", and I recommend learning it after learning assembly 
language.  C makes a heck of a lot more sense if you know what's going on 
at the assembler level (*any* assembler)- for example, the pointer/array 
confusion makes perfect sense when you remember that a pointer is just an 
address on the assembly level.

Brian


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From al7amdlellah at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 08:43:06 2007
From: al7amdlellah at yahoo.com (MIM)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Moodle
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1185642005.18209.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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I was wondering if we can have a meeting on how to install and setup Moodle. That will be great. Any comments ???

       
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jul 30 08:59:05 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:59:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Moodle
In-Reply-To: <814619.59514.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <814619.59514.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36500.64.8.149.66.1185803945.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I was wondering if we can have a meeting on how to install and setup
> Moodle. That will be great. Any comments ???


I run moodle with 1300 users, and 60+courses. I would be glad to contribute.



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Mon Jul 30 13:11:47 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:11:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Moodle
In-Reply-To: <814619.59514.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <814619.59514.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46AE29E3.8050303@Goecke-Dolan.com>

I double checked with a friend of mine, but he said moodle on ubuntu
(6.06 or newer) should install (with all necessary parts) with just a
    apt-get install moodle

now that is just the install, you will need to configure it how you want
it.  But usually they install it to a working state, asking any
questions that need to be answers to get it working.

Good Luck.

Anyone is welcome to come and talk on a Saturday meeting, just drop me
an email or give me a call

==>brian.
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MIM wrote:
> I was wondering if we can have a meeting on how to install and setup
> Moodle. That will be great. Any comments ???
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1187938628.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/10/07/udell.html

     Through AltaVista I could find, and then possess, things that I
     already possessed but could not find.

If he were writing that today he would have said Google instead of 
Altavista, but I remember that AltaVista was king back in 1997 but by 2001 
it was definitely Google.  It's a tough business because it is so easy for 
the user to drop you for someone else!


> I'd check out Florin's recommendations first.  So far grep and sylpheed 
> have served me well.  :)

Ever try "grepmail"?  It's great for mbox files:

http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/

Still falls way short for many uses.  Simple example:  Suppose you are 
searching for "Mike Jones" and your message happens to look like this:

You really ought to talk to Mike
Jones about that issue.

Well, with Mike and Jones on two different lines, it won't match.  We need 
something that allows us to handle the newline appropriately.

Mike


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1191267371.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

Zonbu Desktop, Standard plan, Billing every two years = $412.95

Thats standard options after all discounts, plus $358.80 after two years
for more support.  Also, their "Cancel anytime policy" warns that if you
cancel the membership service, your device will not give you access to
your data after 3 months.  They do have a free/no support option, but
I'd probably want to talk to a sales person before I went with that.

I guess it depends on what their support covers, but I don't see much
there that strikes me as worth $180 a year.


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1191267371.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

Disaster proof storage - Very doable and cheap.
Free automatic software upgrades - Most linux distros have this.
Unlimited Internet support - You are reading this on a mailing list.  ;-)
Remote file access "anywhere, anytime, any browser (no plugins)" - That
just sounds scary to me.
Overnight free hardware replacement limited warranty - Nice, but that's
an extra $60 a year.

My $0.02 would be that everything looks nice, but personally I'd rather
pay more up front for something without a huge service contract, or
required membership service.

ymmv,
Chris Frederick



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1191448476.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

What Will Seagate Do? If Seagate authorises a product to=20
be returned to Seagate or an authorised service provider,=20
Seagate will replace the drive without charge with a=20
functionally equivalent replacement product. Seagate=20
may replace a product with a product that was previously=20
used, repaired and tested to meet Seagate specifications.=20
By sending product for replacement, ownership of the=20
original product will be transferred to Seagate. Seagate=20
will not return original drives to consumers. Data=20
recovery is not covered under this warranty and is not=20
part of the repair or exchange process. If you would=20
like data recovery performed on your drive, it is=20
available from Seagate as a separate service for an=20
additional charge. Seagate warrants that repaired or=20
replaced products are covered for the greater of=20
either the remainder of the original product warranty=20
or 90 days.

>>> On 10/3/2007 at 4:20 PM, in message <47040788.1000808 at umn.edu>, =
Jonathan
Osborne <jwo at umn.edu> wrote:
> Why does a five-year warranty make them great?  I own a couple seagates
> and they've been good so far.  But the warranty doesn't really mean
> anything.  They probably figured out that if they advertise a five-year
> warranty, they'll sell more drives, offsetting (or perhaps even
> exceeding) the cost of replacing drives further into the future.
>=20
> Besides, it's the data that's important, not the drive.  And even if
> they make good on the warranty 4 1/2 years from now, it'll probably be a
> "refurbished" drive anyway.  Would you trust that?
> Marc Skinner said the following on 10/03/2007 16.03
>> Troy.A Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/3/2007 at 3:12 PM, in message <4703F7C5.40107 at e-skinner.net>, =
Marc
>>> Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
>>>> Chad Walstrom wrote:
>>>>> Is it the 7200.10 series or 7200.9 series.  Go for the .10 if you =
can
>>>>> get it.  NewEgg.com has the .10 series for $119 as well.
>>>>>
>>>> yup it is:
>>>> Device Model:     ST3500630AS
>>>> 16mb of cache as well!
>>> I bought a couple of the 7200.10 disks recently, but one is clicking a =
bit.
>>> It works for now, but I see myself using that warranty sometime in =
the=20
> future.
>>>
>> i learned my lesson a long time ago, i don't have any drives in my =
house
>> that aren't raid-1 or raid-5.  it is a life saver!  i also do backups =
of
>> my most critical data, so far, raid has saved me from ever having to =
dip
>> into a restore.  but there will come a time.  the seagates are great
>> cause they have a 5 year warranty.  i know have 10 of those drives, =
i'll
>> see what happens, but so for 6 of them have been running non-stop for
>> about 4 months now, the other 4 i just put into servers today.






From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1191510289.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

used drive swapped out and a working used drive swapped in. It's just as
trustworthy as your other used drives and Seagate backs that up with thei=
r
warranty.

Chris





From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1193436643.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

preferred terminal emulator is.). Run lspci. This should display all
the PCI/AGP devices in your system. This should help you to discover
what your video card is.

For example, the server I happen to be logged into displays
0000:00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27)
as the 5th line of output from lspci.

If you're not comfortable editing the config file your self you can
run the following command on a Ubuntu or Debian system:
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
to reconfigure your xserver (I'm sure Ubuntu has a pretty GUI tool
that runs in X, but I never use it!)

After changing the config file you will have to restart your XServer.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jul 31 04:31:41 2007
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1194539702.2173.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

does sound like a more ideal location for
TCLUG meetings, especially considering the majority demographic that
I've observed at the meetings.  I have
nothing against the UofM as an organization, or the students
(especially geeks) therein.  I have no knowledge
about the past bad behavior of the U that some are alleging.  I also
have no "tie" to TIES (sorry, couldn't resist).
Just looking at the facts that have been presented (nevermind the
heated opinions and conjecture), here is what I see:

Arguments for meeting @ TIES, rather than the UofM
----------------------------------------------
(1)  Location, location, location -- it's not in the heart of the
worst traffic congestion area during that time slot
(2)  Free Parking

Arguments for meeting @ UofM, rather than TIES
----------------------------------------------
(1)  I am a UofM student, or live in the City, so it is more convenient for me

The consensus appears to be that TCLUG is not specifically a student
group (presumably also not a group
geared toward City dwellers), so it seems that the former arguments
hold more water than the latter.  This is
assuming, of course, that the facts that have been presented on both
sides have been accurate and complete.

I don't think anybody is threatening a boycott of any sort, and I
don't think it's fair to call peoples' arguments
"fluff" because you happen to disagree with them.  Everyone is
entitled to their opinion.

Here's hoping we come up with a rational outcome that is in the best
interest of TCLUG as a whole!

Bijoy


On Nov 8, 2007 9:13 AM, Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu> wrote:
> Chris Schumann wrote:
> >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:14:47 -0600
> >> From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Really great "big pipe" internet wired and WiFi connections, since that's
> >> what TIES is all about.  TIES provides internet and other online support for
> >> MN schools and teachers.   Large and multiple meeting spaces,
> >> well-equipped - probably since they do some training for teachers also.
> >>
> >
> > I hope it's not just me, but I've never seen TCLUG as a student group.
> >
> Neither have I, mainly because Wednesday nights are nights when most
> students have night class so I wouldn't expect many to be present during
> the meetings. In my 5 semesters at the U so far, I've never had a free
> Wednesday night.
>
> Also related to this, if classes are still held at the time of the
> meetings, isn't parking a bit harder to find if you don't want to use
> the ramp? I imagine it would be better if the meetings are held during
> the weekend but I'm sure there is a very good reason for the current
> time slot and location. If it's convenient for the most people than any
> other day, then I certainly wont complain.
>
>
>
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