From kcbnac at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 11:25:57 2007
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:25:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <200705301819.16924.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<200705301819.16924.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <32fd45370706010925x59bec721pbf194c405f105dcb@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't attend the U, but I live across 35W from it - I walked to the
meeting these notes arose from - was a nice 15 minute walk - got some good
exercise, too.  The first five minutes were all in free-parking areas, so it
was effectively a 10 minute walk.  Not bad, I got to enjoy some very
pleasant weather, and talked with some friends who also attended.

Perhaps we need to plan a pre-meeting parking-walk? :D

On 5/30/07, Jeremy <tclug at lizakowski.com> wrote:
>
> > The U is simply not a desirable place to meet,
>
> The university has many advantages.  It is centrally located, has
> excellent
> mass transit, we have access to very nice lecture facilities, it is within
> walking distance for a large quantity of students who probably don't have
> cars, it has a plethora of restaurants and coffee shops nearby for
> post-meetings, we have the internal sponsorship of computer science
> faculty,
> which is a natural fit and may provide interesting lectures, demos, and
> the
> ability to connect with students via mailing lists and other means.
>
> Parking is not as convenient as less-central locations.   However, hosting
> the
> meeting on one side of the cities or another will always leave someone
> driving further than they want, or taking extra bus transfers.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:55 pm, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Miller [mailto:mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:18 PM
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > > On 5/30/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >> TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and
> > >
> > > I usually do
> > >
> > > >> not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus
> > >
> > > The U also has some off-campus buildings, like the one I work in...
> >
> > The U is simply not a desirable place to meet, otherwise the
> > professional associations would consider meeting there, and haven't for
> > the last 20 years or so. I think they simply found fewer hassles and
> > grumblings from attendees to meet elsewhere.
> >
> > My attendance certainly isn't necessary.  I'm just sharing an easy to
> > see preference that's not uncommon in town.  The U area is probably best
> > left for student activities.  Harumph  :-)
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From paj at conroyconsult.com  Fri Jun  1 09:40:04 2007
From: paj at conroyconsult.com (Craig Pajula)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:40:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Software Engineer Needed
Message-ID: <002b01c7a45a$befc34c0$0b0a010a@DF7C9RB1>

Hello again Linux Lovers,

 

I'm looking for a Software Engineer for a contract position in the
southwest metro area of Minneapolis.  

Client is seeking a contract Software Engineer for a 4 - 5 month
assignment.

The client is asking for someone with experience with C programming,
Embedded systems experience, Experience in handling serial com
interfaces under Linux, Socket communication under Linux, SNMP Agent
implementation, and linux administration experience.  

If you feel you may fit the bill, I'd love to talk to you about it.

 

Thanks!

 

Craig R. Pajula
Senior Account Manager
Conroy Consulting LLC
5353 Gamble Dr. Suite 106
St. Louis Park, MN  55416
Work: (952) 486-8317
Cell: (651) 206-7614
www.conroyconsult.com
Member NACCB, MHTA, AeA

 

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jun  3 21:06:34 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:06:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706040206.l5426Yf21866@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Desktop, tablet, barebones, electronic parts

I have the following items: The first $100 takes all

A desktop IBM 6058-PBU with CDROM no monitor. This is a 866Mhz machine with a CDROM drive 20GB harddrive and 256 or more memory.

A motherboard and a Athlon CPU rated at   least 1.2Ghz and all the parts to build a computer except for RAM. Includes - DVD drive, CDRW drive, powersupply, TV tuner card. motherboard has USB, ethernet and display adapter built in.

Also have the following for you to Hack:

- ARM development board and cables and software development kit. It is a complete working kit that you can develop using linux or on windows. windows develpoment kit comes with it I put together my own linux development kit from the ARM linux build. 

- 4x16 character LCD display and programming information. 

- IBM tablet computer - this is a 486 with a touch (pen) screen interface. 360PE. Can get linux to run on this. It comes with dos installed on it. I had separated the laptop from its plastic case for a project and never put it together again. The laptop works and is not missing any parts.

All of this for $100 OBO. 



Seller Email address: spanigrahi at post dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From obelin23 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 13:27:35 2007
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:27:35 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] ideas for community edi class
Message-ID: <72278d10706041127s2e5b1a90wfc5b413f9641ccab@mail.gmail.com>

I am teaching a class through Mpls Community Ed this fall I am calling,
Linux Desktop for Home Users.

It will be an intro class, to show people what Linux has to offer, and give
an idea what is involved in installing it for home use. I'm using Mepis 6.5.

I'd like to ask if any of you have suggestions for material or topics I
should be sure to touch on; or good web or book resources; or, just
suggestions in general for the class.

Please respond on or of-list as you choose. If this is an area of interest
of yours and you'd care to talk about it at more length, please contact me
at obelin23 at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Charlie
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 06:47:02 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:47:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] apache, mod_perl and creating files from perl scripts
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>

I have been troubleshooting a basic perl script that writes to a file.
 I'm able to run the script from the shell and the script creates the
file with no problem.  However when I run the same script from a
browser, it is unable to create the file.

I'm running Apache with mod_perl enabled.  I've set chmod 777 on the
directory containing the script but still it cannot create a file.
I've tried creating the output file and giving it 777 permissions as
well, but the script will not append to it either.

Here is the contents of script I've been testing with:

#!/usr/bin/perl

open (IPLOG,">>ip.log") or die("could not create file");
print IPLOG $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}."\n";
close(IPLOG);


I feel like I'm missing something basic here...


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From josh at radkeland.org  Wed Jun  6 07:15:44 2007
From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:15:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] apache,
	mod_perl and creating files from perl scripts
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4666A570.8080304@radkeland.org>

What Distribution are you using?
Is it be SELinux related?  (If so, get setroubleshootd, by any means 
possible!)

Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I have been troubleshooting a basic perl script that writes to a file.
>  I'm able to run the script from the shell and the script creates the
> file with no problem.  However when I run the same script from a
> browser, it is unable to create the file.
>
> I'm running Apache with mod_perl enabled.  I've set chmod 777 on the
> directory containing the script but still it cannot create a file.
> I've tried creating the output file and giving it 777 permissions as
> well, but the script will not append to it either.
>
> Here is the contents of script I've been testing with:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> open (IPLOG,">>ip.log") or die("could not create file");
> print IPLOG $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}."\n";
> close(IPLOG);
>
>
> I feel like I'm missing something basic here...
>
>
>   


From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 07:35:16 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:35:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] apache,
	mod_perl and creating files from perl scripts
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70706060535x44633c3dj2732d927116dcbb2@mail.gmail.com>

Fedora Core 4 (stale I know, but attempts at upgrading in-place didn't
go so well).  SELinux is definitely disabled.

On 6/6/07, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fedora Core 4 (stale I know, but attempts at upgrading in-place didn't
> go so well).  SELinux is definitely disabled.
>
> On 6/6/07, Joshua Radke <josh at radkeland.org> wrote:
> > What Distribution are you using?
> > Is it be SELinux related?  (If so, get setroubleshootd, by any means
> > possible!)
> >
> > Donovan Niesen wrote:
> > > I have been troubleshooting a basic perl script that writes to a file.
> > >  I'm able to run the script from the shell and the script creates the
> > > file with no problem.  However when I run the same script from a
> > > browser, it is unable to create the file.
> > >
> > > I'm running Apache with mod_perl enabled.  I've set chmod 777 on the
> > > directory containing the script but still it cannot create a file.
> > > I've tried creating the output file and giving it 777 permissions as
> > > well, but the script will not append to it either.
> > >
> > > Here is the contents of script I've been testing with:
> > >
> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
> > >
> > > open (IPLOG,">>ip.log") or die("could not create file");
> > > print IPLOG $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}."\n";
> > > close(IPLOG);
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel like I'm missing something basic here...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> --
> Donovan Niesen
>


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 08:27:37 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:27:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] apache,
	mod_perl and creating files from perl scripts
In-Reply-To: <4666B2E7.1060602@radkeland.org>
References: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4666A570.8080304@radkeland.org>
	<47f4d5e70706060534g557dbd55sb0976fa85bd4cef3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4666B2E7.1060602@radkeland.org>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70706060627g427ab669jd6c5099f103614af@mail.gmail.com>

That did write to the /tmp directory which also meant that my Perl
script wasn't looking int he current working directory but somewhere
else.  Modifying the script to use an explicit directory worked.
Thanks, Joshua!

On 6/6/07, Joshua Radke <josh at radkeland.org> wrote:
> Hrm ... okies.  Perhaps try:
>
> open (IPLOG,">>/tmp/ip.log") or die("could not create file");
>
> I guess I'm not certain what cwd() is in the context of mod_perl.  Any
> user should be able to stick something in /tmp, and using an explicit
> path will eliminate the possibility that there are permission issues.
>
> Donovan Niesen wrote:
> > Fedora Core 4 (stale I know, but attempts at upgrading in-place didn't
> > go so well).  SELinux is definitely disabled.
> >
> > On 6/6/07, Joshua Radke <josh at radkeland.org> wrote:
> >> What Distribution are you using?
> >> Is it be SELinux related?  (If so, get setroubleshootd, by any means
> >> possible!)
> >>
> >> Donovan Niesen wrote:
> >> > I have been troubleshooting a basic perl script that writes to a file.
> >> >  I'm able to run the script from the shell and the script creates the
> >> > file with no problem.  However when I run the same script from a
> >> > browser, it is unable to create the file.
> >> >
> >> > I'm running Apache with mod_perl enabled.  I've set chmod 777 on the
> >> > directory containing the script but still it cannot create a file.
> >> > I've tried creating the output file and giving it 777 permissions as
> >> > well, but the script will not append to it either.
> >> >
> >> > Here is the contents of script I've been testing with:
> >> >
> >> > #!/usr/bin/perl
> >> >
> >> > open (IPLOG,">>ip.log") or die("could not create file");
> >> > print IPLOG $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}."\n";
> >> > close(IPLOG);
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I feel like I'm missing something basic here...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >
> >
>


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Wed Jun  6 08:45:27 2007
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14))
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:45:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] apache,
	mod_perl and creating files from perl scripts
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893397EE5@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>

You need to tell Apache it's okay to execute stuff in that directory
with the Options ExecCGI directive.  Try adding something like this to
Apache's config file.

<Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/>
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>


It's easy to introduce security vulnerabilities this way, so Apache
wants to be sure this is okay to execute.


In general, you can check Apache's error log.  Any error that would have
shown up when run from a shell gets redirected there.  Try something
like 

tail -f /var/log/httpd/error_log 




-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Donovan Niesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 06:47
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] apache, mod_perl and creating files from perl
scripts

I have been troubleshooting a basic perl script that writes to a file.
 I'm able to run the script from the shell and the script creates the
file with no problem.  However when I run the same script from a
browser, it is unable to create the file.

I'm running Apache with mod_perl enabled.  I've set chmod 777 on the
directory containing the script but still it cannot create a file.
I've tried creating the output file and giving it 777 permissions as
well, but the script will not append to it either.

Here is the contents of script I've been testing with:

#!/usr/bin/perl

open (IPLOG,">>ip.log") or die("could not create file");
print IPLOG $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}."\n";
close(IPLOG);


I feel like I'm missing something basic here...


-- 
Donovan Niesen

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From dalan at visi.com  Wed Jun  6 09:01:04 2007
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:01:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Tonights Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893397EE5@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706060447r22adbe02yede9716bf36361e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893397EE5@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <1181138464.4666be209670a@my.visi.com>

Could someone send the address to the UofM where the meeting will be held
tonight. I forgot to take the printout when I left home this morning.


Thanks
Don S.




From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Jun  6 17:13:02 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:13:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - June 6th, 2007
In-Reply-To: <200705311733.32841.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200705311733.32841.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Reminder: the June TCLUG meeting is tonight at 6:30pm!

Address:
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus
EE/CSci Building, Room: 3-230 ** 
200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

** Note that this is a room change from the May meeting.  We will be meeting 
in the lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.


On Thursday 31 May 2007 5:33 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
> 	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server
> project.
>
> Agenda Topics:
>  	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
>  		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
>  	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics, etc)
> 		Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris Barber)
> 		Volunteer!
>  	General Q&A and discussion
>  		As time may permit
>  	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
>
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
> >
> > Date: Wed, June 6th
> > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > 3-230 ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> >
> > Topics:
> > 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting projects
> > etc) Volunteer!
> > 	General Q&A and discussion
> > 		As time may permit
> > 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> >
> > ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the lecture
> > bowl that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > July meeting:
> > 	Wed, July 11
> >
> > On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> > > announce two upcoming meetings:
> > >
> > > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief hiatus,
> > > we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG.  The TCLUG
> > > website will be updated soon with the event information as well.
> > >
> > > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > >
> > > Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> > >
> > > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> > > who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will be
> > > heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We invite
> > > everyone to come along!
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >-- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> > >
> > > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > >
> > > Topics
> > >
> > > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10 -
> > > 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a topic
> > > with the group..  More information will be available at the May 2nd
> > > meeting.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >-- -- -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> > >
> > > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact the
> > > volunteer meeting organizers:
> > >
> > > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 20:32:04 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:32:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
Message-ID: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>

A couple folks on this list have raved about ipHouse. I'm getting tired
of the high prices of cable internet and I am considering switching to
DSL. If someone has the time, could you shoot me an email and explain
how ipHouse bills? On their web site it says that they bill seperately
from Qwest. Does that mean I'd get a bill from Qwest for $22.00 and a
bill from ipHouse for $19.99?

Thanks for you time,

benjamin



From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 20:42:09 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:42:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/6/07, Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
> A couple folks on this list have raved about ipHouse. I'm getting tired
> of the high prices of cable internet and I am considering switching to
> DSL. If someone has the time, could you shoot me an email and explain
> how ipHouse bills? On their web site it says that they bill seperately
> from Qwest. Does that mean I'd get a bill from Qwest for $22.00 and a
> bill from ipHouse for $19.99?

Yep - at least that's how it worked a few years ago when I was with Visi/Qwest.

-erik


From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 20:52:03 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:52:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>

What are the advantages, then, of paying twice for the same service?

bg



From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed Jun  6 21:04:43 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:04:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>
	<1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0706062103000.30900@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
> What are the advantages, then, of paying twice for the same service?

You're not.

With Qwest DSL, there are two components - the DSL line itself (transport 
layer), and the ISP who actually provides internet access. When you buy 
both from Qwest, they generally bundle them together and give you a steep 
discount. Otherwise, you have the choice of the ISP layer, but you have to 
pay for each component separately.

If you decide to go ipHouse, tell Eric I sent you!  :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 21:09:57 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>
	<1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0706061909o7eafe2c8rf7f0caafa27285bb@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/6/07, Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
> What are the advantages, then, of paying twice for the same service?

Technically, you're *not* paying twice for the same service.  You're
paying Qwest a fee for usage of their copper and for routing your
traffic over their ATM network to IPHouse.  Then...you pay IPHouse a
fee for the actual internet service.

-Erik


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Thu Jun  7 03:16:03 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:16:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes - June 6th, 2007
In-Reply-To: <200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705311733.32841.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200706061713.03270.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200706070316.03177.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Meeting notes:
	There were two presentations
		A brief demo of Linux debug and profiling tools (myself)
		Linux Fileserver project, with LCD display (Chris Barber)
	Both presentations went well
		The interactive Q&A was an important part
	Chris gave a bonus demonstration of Beryl/Compiz 3D eye-candy

Next meeting:
	Due to the 4th of July holiday, the next meeting will be moved forward a week 
to the following Wednesday.


On Wednesday 06 June 2007 5:13 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> Reminder: the June TCLUG meeting is tonight at 6:30pm!
>
> Address:
> University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus
> EE/CSci Building, Room: 3-230 **
> 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
>
> ** Note that this is a room change from the May meeting.  We will be
> meeting in the lecture bowl that is next door to the room used at the last
> meeting.
>
> On Thursday 31 May 2007 5:33 pm, Jeremy wrote:
> > Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
> > 	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server
> > project.
> >
> > Agenda Topics:
> >  	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> >  		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> >  	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics, etc)
> > 		Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris
> > Barber) Volunteer!
> >  	General Q&A and discussion
> >  		As time may permit
> >  	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> >
> > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> > > The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, June 6th
> > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > 3-230 ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > >
> > > Topics:
> > > 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> > > 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> > > 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting
> > > projects etc) Volunteer!
> > > 	General Q&A and discussion
> > > 		As time may permit
> > > 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
> > >
> > > ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the lecture
> > > bowl that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > July meeting:
> > > 	Wed, July 11
> > >
> > > On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> > > > announce two upcoming meetings:
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief hiatus,
> > > > we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG.  The TCLUG
> > > > website will be updated soon with the event information as well.
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > >
> > > > Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > > > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > > > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > > > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> > > >
> > > > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> > > > who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will be
> > > > heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We invite
> > > > everyone to come along!
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >-- -- --
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > > > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > > > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > > > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > > > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> > > >
> > > > Topics
> > > >
> > > > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > > > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10 -
> > > > 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a
> > > > topic with the group..  More information will be available at the May
> > > > 2nd meeting.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >-- -- --
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact
> > > > the volunteer meeting organizers:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > > > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > > > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Jun  7 09:21:15 2007
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:21:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Rack unit needed
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200706070921.AA21150065@sbn-services.com>

We need to get a rack unit, lower the cost the better, so was hoping someone 
might have a used unit to get rid off. Preference is for one that has 
doors/side panels so it can be locked (The rack has to go in a hallway).

Sean Waite
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From j at packetgod.com  Thu Jun  7 09:22:18 2007
From: j at packetgod.com (J)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:22:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0706061909o7eafe2c8rf7f0caafa27285bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>	<fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>	<1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061909o7eafe2c8rf7f0caafa27285bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4668149A.8090008@packetgod.com>

Right but in essence you are paying twice as Qwest steeply discounts 
their service.

What you are paying for is service, support, a static IP, and no inbound 
restrictions whatsoever.  So no hidden rate limiters, not limits on 
running any type of server at home, or in my case no limits on doing 
vulnerability scans from home (for work, all legal and approved of course).

So if you want to be able to pick up the phone and talk to someone who 
knows what they are talking about and can actually hop on the router and 
check IPHouse is the way to go.  If you want to run mail and web and 
whatever at home, get IPhouse.  If you want to do massive file sharing 
go with IPHouse.

If you don't care about that go with Qwest.  And if you do go with 
IPHouse tell them *I* sent you :)  (yes I get a free month)

--j

Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 6/6/07, Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> What are the advantages, then, of paying twice for the same service?
>>     
>
> Technically, you're *not* paying twice for the same service.  You're
> paying Qwest a fee for usage of their copper and for routing your
> traffic over their ATM network to IPHouse.  Then...you pay IPHouse a
> fee for the actual internet service.
>
> -Erik
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   


From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 12:44:37 2007
From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:44:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iphouse
In-Reply-To: <4668149A.8090008@packetgod.com>
References: <1181179924.28682.6.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061842y26490db3g7c1633475d906381@mail.gmail.com>
	<1181181123.28682.10.camel@desktop>
	<fc40260f0706061909o7eafe2c8rf7f0caafa27285bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4668149A.8090008@packetgod.com>
Message-ID: <7d3948c70706071044q583c9611y1f6739e65cd026d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

US Family is the lowest cost DSL offering in the area that I've found.  They
do however punish you if you download more then 10GiB a month.  Read the AUP
carefully!  Also they discount payments for 6 months and 1 year ahead.

http://usfamily.net

  -Matt

PS: I don't get a free month if you go with them  ;)



On 6/7/07, J <j at packetgod.com> wrote:
>
> Right but in essence you are paying twice as Qwest steeply discounts
> their service.
>
> What you are paying for is service, support, a static IP, and no inbound
> restrictions whatsoever.  So no hidden rate limiters, not limits on
> running any type of server at home, or in my case no limits on doing
> vulnerability scans from home (for work, all legal and approved of
> course).
>
> So if you want to be able to pick up the phone and talk to someone who
> knows what they are talking about and can actually hop on the router and
> check IPHouse is the way to go.  If you want to run mail and web and
> whatever at home, get IPhouse.  If you want to do massive file sharing
> go with IPHouse.
>
> If you don't care about that go with Qwest.  And if you do go with
> IPHouse tell them *I* sent you :)  (yes I get a free month)
>
> --j
>
> Erik Anderson wrote:
> > On 6/6/07, Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What are the advantages, then, of paying twice for the same service?
> >>
> >
> > Technically, you're *not* paying twice for the same service.  You're
> > paying Qwest a fee for usage of their copper and for routing your
> > traffic over their ATM network to IPHouse.  Then...you pay IPHouse a
> > fee for the actual internet service.
> >
> > -Erik
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Jun  7 19:24:33 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:24:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706080024.l580OXB20174@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP Pavilion a706n

For sale: HP Pavilion a706n
Athlon 2.10 Ghz
512 MB RAM
Specs on the HP website

All original parts, bought new two years ago, in fine condition.  No HD, no monitor (I could throw in an old 10GB HD and/or CRT if you need it, gratis).  $300, pick up in south Minneapolis.

Seller Email address: TeeAhr1 at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From obelin23 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 21:51:01 2007
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:51:01 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Mythbuntu public alpha 1
Message-ID: <72278d10706071951w5ecae828y1fb680a709977ca@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.mythbuntu.org/

"Mythbuntu can be seen as a preconfigured, minimalistic Ubuntu installation
to help get a MythTV box up and running in a very short period of time."

This seems worth posting since there was mention at the last meeting of
interest in configuring linux for MythTV.
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Jun  8 08:48:27 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:48:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Mythbuntu public alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <72278d10706071951w5ecae828y1fb680a709977ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10706071951w5ecae828y1fb680a709977ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706080842550.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Charlie O wrote:
> "Mythbuntu can be seen as a preconfigured, minimalistic Ubuntu installation
> to help get a MythTV box up and running in a very short period of time."
>
> This seems worth posting since there was mention at the last meeting of
> interest in configuring linux for MythTV.

  Other options for MythTV-centric distro derivatives include KnoppMyth[1] 
(based on Knoppix) and MythDora[2] (based on Fedora).  KnoppMyth appears 
to support running a front-end from a live CD, which seems pretty cool. 
:-)
  I wasn't aware off-hand of Mythbuntu; thanks, Charlie.

      Jima

1. http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
2. http://www.g-ding.tv/


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Jun 10 19:49:10 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:49:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706110049.l5B0nAu07852@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 1 gig laptop memory

I just bought a Macbook and upgraded the memory, and have the original Apple-provided memory for sale. Two 512MB sticks of PC2-5300 laptop memory for sale, $30. 

Seller Email address: tclug-classified at dandrake dot org

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jun 11 22:17:25 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:17:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706120317.l5C3HPq26071@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Equipment for sale

======
Generic 1U server 
Asus A7N266-VM/AA motherboard
AMD 1.67GHz Athlon Processor
256MB PC2100 RAM
80GB hard drive
150watt P/S (probably could use a larger P/S for this MB)
Floppy
CDROM
(1 of 5 40mm fans is noisy - unplugged)
$120
======
HP Pavilion 540n
Intel 1.6GHz processor
256MB PC2100 RAM
40GB hard drive
USB (4 ports)
Floppy
CD Burner
WinModem
$80
======
Intergraph GL2
(Server class desktop machine)
Dual P2-400MHz processors
64MB of RAM
Sony CD-R
No Hard Drives
(Spare processors - untested)
$10
======
Zip Drives and Discs
3-250MB drives
2-100MB drives
1-250MB disc
19-100MB discs
$10
======
FREE!
-> Generic Pentium-200MHz PC, 128MB RAM, 1 NIC
-> AMD 750MHz Duron processor (Socket 462)


Seller Email address: auditodd at comcast dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jun 18 00:36:15 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:36:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706180536.l5I5aFt20256@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Home Based Order Processing

Home Based Order Processing
Earn $300-$900 Every Week From Home
Doing Simple Online Form Submission.
Complete Training, Easy to Start.
http://ourdataentry.com


Seller Email address: blrbindu at yahoo dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Jun 18 11:41:28 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:41:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706181641.l5IGfSP29731@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP Pavilion a706n

For sale: HP Pavilion a706n
Athlon 2.10 Ghz
512 MB RAM
Specs on the HP website
$300

All original parts, bought new two years ago, in fine condition.  I've been using it as my main desktop since I bought it, but I'm moving and I don't want to bring it with.  No HD, no monitor (I could throw in an old 10GB HD and/or CRT if you need it, gratis).  $300, pick up in south Minneapolis.

Seller Email address: TeeAhr1 at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From jimstreit at northlans.com  Mon Jun 18 14:36:21 2007
From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit at northlans.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:36:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] E-mail relay
Message-ID: <20070618143621.cpi0qzzk00kgkkww@webmail.northlans.com>


Hello,
I'm looking for an outbound SMTP relay server that has the ability to  
check against a list or database for an address, and drop the message  
if a specific address is found.

We have an opt-out list that we maintain and currently its up to our  
administrative assistances to remember to use the most updated list  
when sending out newsletters.

Being that our admins are human, sometimes they don't always use the  
most current list, or forget to use the list all together.

I would like to put in an SMTP server that many people (within our  
organization) would use for our out-bound newsletters.  As messages  
are sent out, it would look at the recipient address, look to see if  
that address was on the out-out list.  If the address is on the list,  
drop the message, if the address isn't on the list, let it though.

This SMTP server wouldn't need to use authentication.

Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
Jim Streit



From jimstreit at northlans.com  Mon Jun 18 14:36:52 2007
From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit at northlans.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:36:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] E-mail relay
Message-ID: <20070618143652.hrxvcrudoo88g8gs@webmail.northlans.com>


Hello,
I'm looking for an outbound SMTP relay server that has the ability to  
check against a list or database for an address, and drop the message  
if a specific address is found.

We have an opt-out list that we maintain and currently its up to our  
administrative assistances to remember to use the most updated list  
when sending out newsletters.

Being that our admins are human, sometimes they don't always use the  
most current list, or forget to use the list all together.

I would like to put in an SMTP server that many people (within our  
organization) would use for our out-bound newsletters.  As messages  
are sent out, it would look at the recipient address, look to see if  
that address was on the out-out list.  If the address is on the list,  
drop the message, if the address isn't on the list, let it though.

This SMTP server wouldn't need to use authentication.

Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
Jim Streit



From dniesen at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 07:54:17 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:54:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>

I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
sites, MySQL integration)?


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Tue Jun 19 09:25:27 2007
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:25:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:54:17 -0500
"Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what
> others are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with
> some of the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to
> remote/testing sites, MySQL integration)?

I'm also interested in this because I have yet to find something I
really really like in Linux, some things come close, but I always
find myself firing up VirtualBox to run a windows VM that has
UltraEdit.  UE has great integrated SFTP support and very nice
syntax highlighting and I just can't find another editor that has
everything I want wrapped into one application.  It doesn't have
MySQL "integration" or WYSIWYG tho.

Using KDE and setting up a remote network folder via fish:// and
ssh came very close.  Using quanta to edit PhP files isn't too bad,
but when I go back to the Konquerer window to open another php file,
it starts another quanta session.  I have not found a way to force it
to just open a new tab in the existing session.  You wouldn't think
this would be too annoying but it is.

I used to use eclipse plus pydev for Python development but I never
found good sftp support for eclipse, plus using eclipse to do
php/python seems like using a shovel to pound in a nail. 

Might want to check out nvu, amaya, bluefish, screem, vim  :)

My $0.02

Josh


From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 09:52:42 2007
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:52:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890706190752j13364769x469ee7ad140aba90@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/19/07, Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?

I've used the following more or less regularly:

1) vim + GNU screen + ssh
Keep a mysql console in one screen window, and a vim session in
another.  *Almost* like an IDE, and there's no need to upload when you
make changes (assuming you have ssh access).

2) jEdit, with the sftp plugin
No WYSIWYG, but jEdit is a nice all-around editor with lots of handy plugins.

sm


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Tue Jun 19 09:55:25 2007
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14))
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:55:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893553A8D@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:54:17 -0500
"Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what
> others are using on a daily basis in Linux.  


Firebug is an excellent Firefox extension for debugging AJAX
applications.  The author has an nice overview on Dr Dobb's
http://www.ddj.com/dept/debug/196802787;jsessionid=DBRQUDYD5BFW0QSNDLRSK
HSCJUNN2JVN?_requestid=992654 

also covered on Slashdot
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/0627228


I use vim myself for small updates but I like SeaMonkey's built-in HTML
Composer for prototyping.



From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Tue Jun 19 10:09:09 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:09:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893553A8D@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>
	<4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893553A8D@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <4677AB0B.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 6/19/2007 at 9:55 AM, in message
> Firebug is an excellent Firefox extension for debugging AJAX
> applications.  The author has an nice overview on Dr Dobb's
> http://www.ddj.com/dept/debug/196802787;jsessionid=DBRQUDYD5BFW0QSNDLRSK 
> HSCJUNN2JVN?_requestid=992654 

The 'Web Developer Toolbar' is another nice Firefox extension.





From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Tue Jun 19 10:03:26 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:03:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070619092527.60820eb6@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <4677A9B5.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

I don't know if it comes anywhere near fitting the bill, but this looks interesting:

http://www.activestate.com/products/komodo_edit/

They have Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows versions.

>>> On 6/19/2007 at 9:25 AM, in message
<20070619092527.60820eb6 at prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>, Josh Trutwin
<josh at trutwins.homeip.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:54:17 -0500
> "Donovan Niesen" <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
>> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
>> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what
>> others are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with
>> some of the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to
>> remote/testing sites, MySQL integration)?
> 
> I'm also interested in this because I have yet to find something I
> really really like in Linux, some things come close, but I always
> find myself firing up VirtualBox to run a windows VM that has
> UltraEdit.  UE has great integrated SFTP support and very nice
> syntax highlighting and I just can't find another editor that has
> everything I want wrapped into one application.  It doesn't have
> MySQL "integration" or WYSIWYG tho.
> 
> Using KDE and setting up a remote network folder via fish:// and
> ssh came very close.  Using quanta to edit PhP files isn't too bad,
> but when I go back to the Konquerer window to open another php file,
> it starts another quanta session.  I have not found a way to force it
> to just open a new tab in the existing session.  You wouldn't think
> this would be too annoying but it is.
> 
> I used to use eclipse plus pydev for Python development but I never
> found good sftp support for eclipse, plus using eclipse to do
> php/python seems like using a shovel to pound in a nail. 
> 
> Might want to check out nvu, amaya, bluefish, screem, vim  :)
> 
> My $0.02
> 
> Josh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





From h.iverson at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 10:23:25 2007
From: h.iverson at gmail.com (Harlan Iverson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25097ca30706190823s486f1b8bjb54eee217577a750@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/19/07, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?



I've always been a fan of Eclipse + PHPEclipse and Phing (Ant clone). You
can do remote deployments with Phing through either an SCP task or an Exec
task that invokes SCP; an added bonus is that you can set it up so
deployment only happens if all unit tests pass ;). With  "External Tools"
you can also run Phing from within Eclipse, but I usually just have a shell
open to my working directory (PuttyCYG when on Windows). You can also use
Eclipse's debugger locally or remotely.

As for database, I use pgAdminIII through a tunnel that's open on my SSH
connection (-D5432 localhost:5432), that can also be accomplished with
PuTTY: Connection > SSH > Tunnels - Source port: 5432, Destination:
localhost:5432, (*) Remote. I'm sure a similar setup will work with MySQL.

I hope that helps :)

Harlan
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Jun 19 10:39:18 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:39:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890706190752j13364769x469ee7ad140aba90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
	<d9a50e890706190752j13364769x469ee7ad140aba90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0706191021400.11977@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Sam Martin wrote:

> On 6/19/07, Donovan Niesen wrote:
>> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
>> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
>> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
>> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
>> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
>> sites, MySQL integration)?
>
> I've used the following more or less regularly:
>
> 1) vim + GNU screen + ssh
> Keep a mysql console in one screen window, and a vim session in
> another.  *Almost* like an IDE, and there's no need to upload when you
> make changes (assuming you have ssh access).


I've been getting into emacs.  It is a vast world but one worth mastering. 
I've used it for a decade or more, but not very seriously.  Now that I am 
studying it more and using some of the add-ons, I see that it provides 
beautiful syntax highlighting and lots of nice features for HTML/XML 
editing (e.g., nXhtml mode).  The newest version (22.1, which just came 
out on June 8) includes something called TRAMP for remotely editing files:

http://www.gnu.org/software/tramp/

Looks pretty sweet.  We are starting a Ruby on Rails (RoR) project and 
there are really nice modes for RoR/Ruby editing in emacs.  Lots of RoR 
developers use TextMate on Macs, but that is not portable to other OSs, it 
is proprietary and it has nothing like the flexibility of emacs.  I don't 
think TextMate is a good choice for me for those reasons.

The emacs keystrokes are used in many, many programs (e.g., bash shell) 
because of the readline library.  I just started using XKeymacs on Windows 
to get the emacs keystrokes in Windows apps, and so far it has been 
excellent:

http://www.cam.hi-ho.ne.jp/oishi/indexen.html

Another reason I'm using emacs more is that I want to get into using ESS 
(Emacs Speaks Statistics) with R for statistical analysis and I want to do 
my writing in LaTeX or TeX.  Emacs will be great for this work.

http://ess.r-project.org/
http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/

Of course, I am not saying that Emacs is better than something else, but 
I've been studying this a little here and there for many years and I 
really don't think that even the best alternatives (e.g., vim) can outdo 
emacs for a productive editing/working environment.  That's why I have 
decided after these many years of contemplating the issues to put much 
more effort into studying emacs and its add-on modes.

Mike


From peter.chase at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 10:40:25 2007
From: peter.chase at gmail.com (Peter Chase)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:40:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e63a2c7d0706190840w42bbf052ibd925b7ae47e56eb@mail.gmail.com>

I use Remote System Explorer for Eclipse which adds scp and ssh
functionality.  Here's the site: http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/.  I believe
it also requires the CDT plugin.


On 6/19/07, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?
>
>
> --
> Donovan Niesen
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From blutgens at us-admins.com  Tue Jun 19 11:35:14 2007
From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:35:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200706191135.19491.blutgens@us-admins.com>

On Tuesday 19 June 2007 07:54:17 Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?

Take a peek at quanta+ its part of the KDE webdev package, available in most 
any distribution. Combine that with kio-slaves (fish/ftp/dav) etc.

I am now a KDE whore, sue me =)

-- 
Ben Lutgens
US Admns, Inc - Default Server Monkey
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From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Tue Jun 19 17:52:43 2007
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:52:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46785E3B.8000202@cdf123.net>

Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?
> 

Here's my $0.02...

First off, lets start with the browser.  I use firefox with the
following extensions:
Web Developer
Tamper Data (mess with headers and such)
SwitchProxy Tool (more on this below...)
NoScript (good for testing, as well as browsing the net)
HackBar (sql injection testing, with encode/decode functions for urls)
DOM Inspector (nice tree view of the html structure, could use any dom
validator, I just like this one)
Add N Edit Cookies (kill sessions, and edit other cookie values)

Then for supporting my browser, I have two proxy servers installed, thus
the need for the SwitchProxy toolbar.
tinyproxy (light weight and easy to use, good for logging redirects)
webscarab (pause http(s) trafic, modify form/query values on the fly,
replay requests, and more, I highly recommend this)

Then for the actual development tools:
ssh (obvious..)
screen (obvious...)
cvs/svn (if your project doesn't use it, then keep a local repository.
the freedom to edit what you want, knowing that if you screw something
up royally you still have clean copies/versions in the repository is
well worth it)
vim (add the cvscommand and set up some aliased commands with your
F-keys and Shift_F-keys.  I also like the cvscommand plugin as a
developer because it is easy to modify.  I keep a personal user.vim
plugin, based off cvscommand, that gives me access to vim's buffers
using my own console commands and shell scripts.  e.g. ':SQL select *
from publications' will put the results of the sql statement in a new
buffer and vertically split the screen with the new buffer on the right,
allowing me to copy/replace/edit as I see fit)

And last but not least, the environment:
I personally use fluxbox for my WM, mainly because I use gimp for image
editing, and the tabbed window feature of fluxbox works wonders with the
gimp, but the WM is more of a personal preference.

bash/perl/sed/awk/find/grep - learn these well.  A lot of developers
I've worked with have neglected these, especially their shell, thinking
that their editor should be their main concern and tool.  Knowing these
can help you automate tasks, and not just with scripts, or aliases.
Being able to update multiple servers using ssh/scp and sed/perl inside
for loops can be a real time saver.

Well, thats my development environment.  Not exactly integrated, but
I've yet to see one that is that can do as much.

Chris Frederick


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Jun 19 20:30:13 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200706192030.13977.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Tuesday 19 June 2007 07:54, Donovan Niesen wrote:
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?

Among everyone elses suggestions, the need for fish, ssh, scp, etc can be 
eliminated for inclusion in the app with things like sshfs
http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html

There is a similar app on windows called SftpDrive
http://www.sftpdrive.com

I have used FUSE without issues.
I have not used SftpDrive.


From mjbruder at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:37:32 2007
From: mjbruder at gmail.com (Michael Bruder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:37:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Favorite web development environments
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70706190554x4050788an591701e805c50831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebafaa5a0706201537q74dcd056id2da87f8f208c111@mail.gmail.com>

This is pretty nice, if you have a Mac.

http://www.panic.com/coda/

On 6/19/07, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do a significant amount of work in with HTML, CSS and PHP/MySQL.
> Most of my time is spent inside Dreamweaver on my Windows partition.
> While Dreamweaver has been good to me, I would like to see what others
> are using on a daily basis in Linux.  Is there anything with some of
> the handier features in Dreamweaver (uploading pages to remote/testing
> sites, MySQL integration)?
>
>
> --
> Donovan Niesen
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From mjbruder at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:49:13 2007
From: mjbruder at gmail.com (Michael Bruder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:49:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
Message-ID: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do a
bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is currently
in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation off of a
dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do a bare metal
recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the new Oracle
installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating system disk to
just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.  This doesn't seem so
easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching options, but I would
appreciate any input.

Thanks,

Mike
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 18:15:00 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:15:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020706201615r50ff899btae44d2d72624b2a5@mail.gmail.com>

Dunno about Red Hat, I use Debian or Ubuntu myself. On the few
ocasions where I've wanted to do something like repartition what I've
done is make a tar backup of my system on an external drive. I boot
from a live cd such as Knoppix and mount the drives, this way the
system that is being backed up isn't actually running.

tar cvf /media/maxtor/hostname-backup.tar bin boot etc home lib root
sbin usr var

Then wipe the system drive, repartition, and restore the backup. Fix
fstab, grub config, etc. and reboot to the restored system

It's not pretty or elegant by any means, but it works.

A Debian specific trick is to dump your selections and debconf to
files, backup your user files and config files. Then install the bare
minimum Debian install. Feed in your selections and debconf data, run
apt-get with the right switches, and you're back to clean system with
all your packages. Restore user data and configurations.


Install Linux in VMWare server. Take a drive snapshot. Done.

Sorry if you were looking for an elegant tool instead of brute force. :-D

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Jun 20 18:23:19 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:23:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200706201823.19231.tclug@lizakowski.com>

> It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating system disk to
> just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.  This doesn't seem
> so easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching options, but I would

Why would it work different in Linux?  If you dd a low-level copy of the drive 
while it's offline, and if you later play it back to the same drive (or same 
type of drive), things should work.  It might work under other conditions, 
but then it starts to depend on your configuration (grub vs lilo, etc).

The best option may be hot failover, so you don't have downtime.  But this 
requires extra hardware.  

The second best option might be to create a "golden" hard drive that contains 
your OS, then make a couple copies.  If the server goes down, just plug in a 
drive and go.  

LVM, Virtualization, replication... there infinite permutations of solutions, 
depending on your needs.  

Jeremy

On Wednesday 20 June 2007 5:49 pm, Michael Bruder wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do a
> bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is currently
> in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation off of a
> dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do a bare
> metal recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the new Oracle
> installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating system disk to
> just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.  This doesn't seem
> so easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching options, but I would
> appreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed Jun 20 18:24:21 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0706201823140.18714@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Michael Bruder wrote:
> Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do 
> a bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is 
> currently in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation 
> off of a dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do 
> a bare metal recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the 
> new Oracle installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating 
> system disk to just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape. 
> This doesn't seem so easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching 
> options, but I would appreciate any input.

Try out Mondo Rescue.

Otherwise, if you've got a tarball or similar of the system, boot off a 
rescue cd, partition the new disk, mount the disk, extract the tarball to 
said disk, install bootloader, reboot, profit.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From brockn at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 19:27:27 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:27:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0706201823140.18714@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0706201823140.18714@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80706201727i5565afdbva78203eafdf84c03@mail.gmail.com>

What about Bacula?

http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/Disast_Recove_Using_Bacula.html#RescueChapter

Brock

On 6/20/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Michael Bruder wrote:
> > Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do
> > a bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is
> > currently in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation
> > off of a dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do
> > a bare metal recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the
> > new Oracle installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating
> > system disk to just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.
> > This doesn't seem so easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching
> > options, but I would appreciate any input.
>
> Try out Mondo Rescue.
>
> Otherwise, if you've got a tarball or similar of the system, boot off a
> rescue cd, partition the new disk, mount the disk, extract the tarball to
> said disk, install bootloader, reboot, profit.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
> |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From brian at ropers-huilman.net  Wed Jun 20 22:37:18 2007
From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480706202037t18d1a054nab9c24a04ac05d16@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/20/07, Michael Bruder <mjbruder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do a
> bare metal recovery of Linux?

Look at System Imager [
http://wiki.systemimager.org/index.php/Main_Page ]. Snap an image from
a "gold" master, or any time before making a Big Change (tm). Put that
image on another box setup to do PXE and TFTP and you're set. You can
restore a box from bare metal to exactly how it was when you snapped
the image within 20 minutes, depending on the network, disk speed,
image size, and the like.

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman, Director
Systems Administration and Technical Operations
Minnesota Supercomputing Institute                 <bropers at msi.umn.edu>
599 Walter Library                                   +1 612-626-5948 (V)
117 Pleasant Street S.E.                             +1 612-624-8861 (F)
University of Minnesota                               Twin Cities Campus
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0255                       http://www.msi.umn.edu/


From sos at zjod.net  Thu Jun 21 02:07:07 2007
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:07:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200706210707.l5L777GD000481@sos.local.net>

Michael Bruder asked:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do a
> bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is currently
> in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation off of a
> dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do a bare metal
> recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the new Oracle
> installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating system disk to
> just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.  This doesn't seem so
> easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching options, but I would
> appreciate any input.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike

Create a "hot + spare" set of partitions and back up to 'em every evening
using almost any of the "only copy the stuff that's changed and delete the
stuff that no longer exists" style backup programs _plus_ an extra step
at the end to reestablish the original /etc/fstab for the spare system
(which will ensure the "spare" system can be booted as a replacement for
the "hot" one).  The nice part about the "only what's changed" style
backups is that, even for very large systems, the backup usually runs
in less than 20 minutes (and, if you're not overly picky about getting
every last user file updated, the backup can be run during "production"
time, too).

Important: When creating the "spare" partitions, make sure they're
physically on different drives from the "hot" ones.  That way, you can
lose a drive and still have an up-to-date bootable system.

When setting up grub, make sure you can boot either the hot or the
spare system.  If you lose the drive with grub on it, you'll need to
re-install grub, and after doing so, can re-establish /boot from the
backup copy.

I've been using this method for years, have had drives go bad and have
never lost anything more than what changed since the previous backup.

As for the Oracle database itself, I'd suggest you use a mirrored RAID
array.  It's not usually as fast as other types of RAID (e.g.: striped),
but it is usually bulletproof with respect to having drives go sour.

Hope this helps and drop me a line if you need help finding the right
backup program'idly,

-S


From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Jun 21 09:55:51 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:55:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: emacs/lisp regexp
Message-ID: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>

A bit off topic, but a question about getting an emacs macro to find alternative regexp's.  Can't seem to get the right syntax.
Here's the macro.  Should find and jump to either 'foo' or 'bar'.

The macro displays a message about not finding '\(foo\|bar\)'.
I've tried myriad variations of the search string pattern with differing quoting and escaping.  :(

(defconst search_patterns "\\(foo\\|bar\\)")
(defun search-for-patterns ()
  "Search for alternative patterns."
  (interactive)
  (message "searching for %s" search_patterns)
  (let ((cur (point)))
     (search-forward search_patterns nil t)
     (let ((pnt (point)))
         (cond ((= cur pnt)
           (message "no find %s" search_patterns))
         (t
           (goto-char pnt)
           (message "found %s at char %s" search_patterns pnt)))
      )))


Any clues?

~jh


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu Jun 21 10:11:16 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:11:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: emacs/lisp regexp
In-Reply-To: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
References: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0706211008560.20090@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, John Hawley wrote:

> A bit off topic, but a question about getting an emacs macro to find alternative regexp's.  Can't seem to get the right syntax.
> Here's the macro.  Should find and jump to either 'foo' or 'bar'.
>
> The macro displays a message about not finding '\(foo\|bar\)'.
> I've tried myriad variations of the search string pattern with differing quoting and escaping.  :(

I'm trying to learn this kind of thing too.  So does it do what you want 
if you search for foo alone?  In other words, is this all about getting 
the OR to work correctly?  Is the grouping (parens) always needed?

Mike


> (defconst search_patterns "\\(foo\\|bar\\)")
> (defun search-for-patterns ()
>  "Search for alternative patterns."
>  (interactive)
>  (message "searching for %s" search_patterns)
>  (let ((cur (point)))
>     (search-forward search_patterns nil t)
>     (let ((pnt (point)))
>         (cond ((= cur pnt)
>           (message "no find %s" search_patterns))
>         (t
>           (goto-char pnt)
>           (message "found %s at char %s" search_patterns pnt)))
>      )))
>
>
> Any clues?
>
> ~jh
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From admin at lctn.org  Thu Jun 21 10:16:30 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:16:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
Message-ID: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>

I have a group of PC's behind an IPCop box with an Ip scheme of
172.21.6.0/24. I want to add a rule to the IPCop box that will only allow
them to access a single public IP outside of our network.

-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
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From drue at therub.org  Thu Jun 21 10:12:04 2007
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:12:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: emacs/lisp regexp
In-Reply-To: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
References: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <20070621151204.GP45993@therub.org>

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:55:51AM -0500, John Hawley wrote:
> A bit off topic, but a question about getting an emacs macro to find alternative regexp's.  Can't seem to get the right syntax.
> Here's the macro.  Should find and jump to either 'foo' or 'bar'.
> 
> The macro displays a message about not finding '\(foo\|bar\)'.
> I've tried myriad variations of the search string pattern with differing quoting and escaping.  :(
> 
> (defconst search_patterns "\\(foo\\|bar\\)")
> (defun search-for-patterns ()
>   "Search for alternative patterns."
>   (interactive)
>   (message "searching for %s" search_patterns)
>   (let ((cur (point)))
>      (search-forward search_patterns nil t)
>      (let ((pnt (point)))
>          (cond ((= cur pnt)
>            (message "no find %s" search_patterns))
>          (t
>            (goto-char pnt)
>            (message "found %s at char %s" search_patterns pnt)))
>       )))

I don't know Lisp or Emacs, but I do know that (, ), and | shouldn't be
escaped (at all) in your regular expression.. 

Dan


From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Jun 21 10:41:22 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:41:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: emacs/lisp regexp
In-Reply-To: <20070621151204.GP45993@therub.org>
References: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
	<20070621151204.GP45993@therub.org>
Message-ID: <20070621154122.GA25748@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:12:04AM -0500, Dan Rue wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:55:51AM -0500, John Hawley wrote:
> > A bit off topic, but a question about getting an emacs macro to find alternative regexp's.  Can't seem to get the right syntax.
> > Here's the macro.  Should find and jump to either 'foo' or 'bar'.
> > 
> > The macro displays a message about not finding '\(foo\|bar\)'.
> > I've tried myriad variations of the search string pattern with differing quoting and escaping.  :(
> > 
> > (defconst search_patterns "\\(foo\\|bar\\)")
> > (defun search-for-patterns ()
> >   "Search for alternative patterns."
> >   (interactive)
> >   (message "searching for %s" search_patterns)
> >   (let ((cur (point)))
> >      (search-forward search_patterns nil t)
> >      (let ((pnt (point)))
> >          (cond ((= cur pnt)
> >            (message "no find %s" search_patterns))
> >          (t
> >            (goto-char pnt)
> >            (message "found %s at char %s" search_patterns pnt)))
> >       )))
> 
> I don't know Lisp or Emacs, but I do know that (, ), and | shouldn't be
> escaped (at all) in your regular expression.. 
> 
> Dan

Doh, got it.  This is what mail lists are for, right?  As soon as you post, you figure the problem out on your own.
No, the expression is correct, I just needed to use 're-search-forward' as the command.

~jh


From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Jun 21 10:47:03 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:47:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: emacs/lisp regexp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0706211008560.20090@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <20070621145551.GA25585@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0706211008560.20090@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20070621154703.GB25748@blaziken.hissingdragon.net>

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:11:16AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, John Hawley wrote:
> 
> >A bit off topic, but a question about getting an emacs macro to find 
> >alternative regexp's.  Can't seem to get the right syntax.
> >Here's the macro.  Should find and jump to either 'foo' or 'bar'.
> >
> >The macro displays a message about not finding '\(foo\|bar\)'.
> >I've tried myriad variations of the search string pattern with differing 
> >quoting and escaping.  :(
> 
> I'm trying to learn this kind of thing too.  So does it do what you want 
> if you search for foo alone?  In other words, is this all about getting 
> the OR to work correctly?  Is the grouping (parens) always needed?
> 
> Mike
> 

Yes, the below macro works with or without the parens.

;(defconst search_patterns "\\(foo\\|bar\\)")
(defconst search_patterns "foo\\|bar")
(defun search-for-patterns ()
  "Search for alternative patterns."
  (interactive)
  (message "searching for %s" search_patterns)
  (let ((cur (point)))
    (re-search-forward search_patterns nil t)
    (let ((pnt (point)))
      (cond ((= cur pnt)
             (message "no find %s" search_patterns))
            (t
             (goto-char pnt)
             (message "found %s at char %s" search_patterns pnt)))
      )))


From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Jun 21 11:23:30 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:23:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
In-Reply-To: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org> 
References: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>

admin at lctn.org wrote:
> I have a group of PC's behind an IPCop box with an Ip scheme of
> 172.21.6.0/24. I want to add a rule to the IPCop box that will only allow
> them to access a single public IP outside of our network.

I don't know how IPCop sets up firewall rules, so which chain you add
the rule to will be determined by the logical layout of ACCEPT and DROP
rules.  Essentially, you want to find the egress chain for the external
interface and do one of the following:

	  # accept outgoing traffic to specific IP
	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24 -d IPADDRESS

	  # Drop all other traffic
	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24

The last rule might not be needed, if the default policy is DROP for the
OUTPUT chain.  You can also limit the type of traffic you want to allow
using protocol and port specifications.  Read the manpage for iptables
and perhaps the Netfilter HOWTO.

Chad



From mjbruder at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 15:14:23 2007
From: mjbruder at gmail.com (Michael Bruder)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:14:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Bare Metal Recovery Of Linux
In-Reply-To: <200706210707.l5L777GD000481@sos.local.net>
References: <ebafaa5a0706201549n6ecf5244k84231b28d8f8ff7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200706210707.l5L777GD000481@sos.local.net>
Message-ID: <ebafaa5a0706211314p385c3826k63b7a9494ecb1f40@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.  This is all very helpful.

On 6/21/07, Steve Siegfried <sos at zjod.net> wrote:
>
> Michael Bruder asked:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Would any of you be willing to give me some advice on the best way to do
> a
> > bare metal recovery of Linux?  The University that I work for is
> currently
> > in the beginning stages of moving an Oracle 10g installation off of a
> > dinosaur VMS server, and we cannot determine the best way to do a bare
> metal
> > recovery of the RedHat Enterprise 4 OS that will house the new Oracle
> > installation.  It was easy in VMS if we lost the operating system disk
> to
> > just pop in a new drive, and restore the OS from tape.  This doesn't
> seem so
> > easy with RedHat.  We are currently researching options, but I would
> > appreciate any input.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
>
> Create a "hot + spare" set of partitions and back up to 'em every evening
> using almost any of the "only copy the stuff that's changed and delete the
> stuff that no longer exists" style backup programs _plus_ an extra step
> at the end to reestablish the original /etc/fstab for the spare system
> (which will ensure the "spare" system can be booted as a replacement for
> the "hot" one).  The nice part about the "only what's changed" style
> backups is that, even for very large systems, the backup usually runs
> in less than 20 minutes (and, if you're not overly picky about getting
> every last user file updated, the backup can be run during "production"
> time, too).
>
> Important: When creating the "spare" partitions, make sure they're
> physically on different drives from the "hot" ones.  That way, you can
> lose a drive and still have an up-to-date bootable system.
>
> When setting up grub, make sure you can boot either the hot or the
> spare system.  If you lose the drive with grub on it, you'll need to
> re-install grub, and after doing so, can re-establish /boot from the
> backup copy.
>
> I've been using this method for years, have had drives go bad and have
> never lost anything more than what changed since the previous backup.
>
> As for the Oracle database itself, I'd suggest you use a mirrored RAID
> array.  It's not usually as fast as other types of RAID (e.g.: striped),
> but it is usually bulletproof with respect to having drives go sour.
>
> Hope this helps and drop me a line if you need help finding the right
> backup program'idly,
>
> -S
>
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From danyberg at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 22:17:44 2007
From: danyberg at gmail.com (swede)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:17:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]  iptable rule
Message-ID: <5daafeb10706212017q6f61fa3es6f47f72bd357f259@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:16:30 -0500 (CDT)
> From: admin at lctn.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel at lctn.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I have a group of PC's behind an IPCop box with an Ip scheme of
> 172.21.6.0/24. I want to add a rule to the IPCop box that will only allow
> them to access a single public IP outside of our network.
>
> --
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>
Can you use URLfilter or Block Out Traffic to block everything and just
whitelist the public IP?  I use URLfilter with my IPCop to block access to
the kids computers at certain times of the day, I had been thinking of
trying the whitelist thing for places like the library and such.  Let me how
you get it to work.

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From kcbnac at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 12:31:55 2007
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:31:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-install USB disk?
Message-ID: <32fd45370706221031u22924c5ex732f1d046cdf1d29@mail.gmail.com>

I've picked up cheap ($16) 2GB USB Flash drives (At Microcenter, by the
checkouts), and thought that I should make a dual-install USB media from it,
giving me 2 options at boot time. (3 if space allows)

Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn Installation Options:

Desktop Live CD (default)
Server CD
Alternative CD

I'd previously finagled an installation via
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick>for
a laptop without an optical drive, but forgot which parts of that I
used.

What I'm looking to do is take the above instructions, simplify them (and
update the above page) while giving me a multiple-option installation set,
picking from the first two, if not all three, options listed above.

What I'm hoping I can do, is make a script that will do this - then for
installfests, we can mass-create these USB sticks; either for the day of the
'fest, or offer them up at the cost of the drives.

Ideas?

Soon here I'll also have a 16GB drive at my disposal - and would find it
interesting to have a massive "here plug this in its got everything" disk
for installfests...and since they're reusable after-the-fact, we don't waste
many CDs or DVDs burning :D
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jun 23 20:29:50 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:29:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706240129.l5O1To416769@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Sun Ultra 5

Sun Ultra 5, Solaris 9 installed
270mhz CPU, 256MB RAM
10gb hd, cdrom, floppy
current firmware/OBP
$100.00 obo, trades welcome
includes monitor, keyboard, mouse.

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jun 23 20:39:05 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:39:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706240139.l5O1d5L18005@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Viewsonic PS790 CRT Monitor

Original owner.
Viewsonic 19 inch CRT monitor.
Model PS790
Still in good condition, never overdriven, never driven at high contract or brightness.
I hate to simply throw it away so any best offer will do.
manual at http://www.viewsonic.com
got to support, and user guides.


Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Jun 23 21:11:01 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:11:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706240211.l5O2B1Z24212@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Scsi drives and Raid controller

4x Dell (Quantum) 9gb Scsi Drives.
1x Dell (Adaptec) Scsi raid 5 controller with 16mb of Simm's attached.  

Just trying to save these drives from a brutal fate with a Drill Press is all...

If anyone wishes to pay for them, let me know, otherwise, Free to the first person that emails.


Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Jun 27 11:05:08 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:05:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200706271605.l5RG58w20084@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: PNY Verto 7600 GS 512MB - AGP

Bought this year in March, just bought a mainboard w/ PCI-Express and a new video card. Don't need this card anymore.

$100



Seller Email address: erick_stohr at yahoo dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Wed Jun 27 13:49:43 2007
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Trammell)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:49:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Sweet Debian "etch" install on Soekris net4501
Message-ID: <20070627184943.GA25260@mail.el-swifto.com>

I'm just wrapping up the install of "etch" on a net4501 device I've had
lying around for a while...

	http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm

It's nice to see that one can still fit a base install into <200MB:

    # df -h
    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/hda2             900M  193M  661M  23% /
 
This wee beastie is destined to be a nice, quiet firewall in a closet
somewhere...  :-)

Pax,
JT

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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Jun 27 15:28:48 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:28:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
In-Reply-To: <20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <43073.64.8.149.194.1182976128.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I don't know how IPCop sets up firewall rules, so which chain you add
> the rule to will be determined by the logical layout of ACCEPT and DROP
> rules.  Essentially, you want to find the egress chain for the external
> interface and do one of the following:
>
> 	  # accept outgoing traffic to specific IP
> 	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24 -d IPADDRESS
>
> 	  # Drop all other traffic
> 	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24
>

This is what I am getting with the suggested rules. I have tried a few
variations, but am getting similar errors. I have not found the answer in
the "help" file.

/sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -j DROP -o $RED_DEV  -s 172.21.6.0/24
Warning: wierd character in interface `-s' (No aliases, :, ! or *).
Bad argument `172.21.6.0/24'
Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.


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From jeff at digitalguy.net  Wed Jun 27 16:45:22 2007
From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey Lehman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:45:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
In-Reply-To: <43073.64.8.149.194.1182976128.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>	<20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<43073.64.8.149.194.1182976128.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <4682DA72.30908@digitalguy.net>

admin at lctn.org wrote:
>> I don't know how IPCop sets up firewall rules, so which chain you add
>> the rule to will be determined by the logical layout of ACCEPT and DROP
>> rules.  Essentially, you want to find the egress chain for the external
>> interface and do one of the following:
>>
>> 	  # accept outgoing traffic to specific IP
>> 	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24 -d IPADDRESS
>>
>> 	  # Drop all other traffic
>> 	  iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP -o EXTIF -s 172.21.6.0/24
>>
>>     
>
> This is what I am getting with the suggested rules. I have tried a few
> variations, but am getting similar errors. I have not found the answer in
> the "help" file.
>
> /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -j DROP -o $RED_DEV  -s 172.21.6.0/24
> Warning: wierd character in interface `-s' (No aliases, :, ! or *).
> Bad argument `172.21.6.0/24'
> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
>
>
>   
Try rearranging the arguments to the following.

/sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -o $RED_DEV -s 172.21.6.0/24 -j DROP


Jeff


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Wed Jun 27 19:24:42 2007
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (David Carlson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:24:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
In-Reply-To: <4682DA72.30908@digitalguy.net>
References: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<43073.64.8.149.194.1182976128.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4682DA72.30908@digitalguy.net>
Message-ID: <23487.163.231.6.67.1182990282.squirrel@castor.thecubic.net>



> admin at lctn.org wrote:
> Try rearranging the arguments to the following.
>
> /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -o $RED_DEV -s 172.21.6.0/24 -j DROP

... also make sure that $RED_DEV is set to something.   That error message
is consistent with a dropped interface name (trying "-s" as the outside
interface)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dave Carlson <thecubic at thecubic.net>


From admin at lctn.org  Thu Jun 28 11:25:00 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:25:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] iptable rule
In-Reply-To: <4682DA72.30908@digitalguy.net>
References: <37662.64.8.149.194.1182438990.squirrel@lctn.org>	<20070621162330.406637807@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<43073.64.8.149.194.1182976128.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4682DA72.30908@digitalguy.net>
Message-ID: <34361.64.8.149.194.1183047900.squirrel@lctn.org>


> Try rearranging the arguments to the following.
>
> /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -o $RED_DEV -s 172.21.6.0/24 -j DROP


That was the key, but the rules have no effect. The subnet can access
anyting on the net.


I had to change from 172.21.6.0 to 172.21.2.0. I added the following:

/sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -o eth1 -s 172.21.2.0/24 -d X.X.X.X -j ACCEPT
/sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMOUTPUT -o eth1 -s 172.21.2.0/24 -j DROP


iptables -L shows the following:

Chain CUSTOMOUTPUT (1 references)
target     prot opt source               destination
ACCEPT     all  --  172.21.2.0/24        x.x.x.x
DROP       all  --  172.21.2.0/24        anywhere


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From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Thu Jun 28 17:21:08 2007
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:21:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] flustered with fonts
Message-ID: <46843454.4080509@greatlakedata.com>

hi tickle luggers,

i think i need a "default font lesson" or something.

i'm accustomed to running thunderbird on my main screen (centos 4 or 
fc5).  but when i run it inside Xvnc, it gets a different font, and 
nothing fits in the columns anymore.

i'm accustomed to running gnucash in Xvnc on centos4.  now i've launched 
it (still) on my centos 4 box but displaying in Xvnc on my fc5 box, and 
here again it's getting an all new font, nothing fits in the column 
widths, and the windows that open are taller than usual.

heretofore i've paid no attention to fonts.  but clearly i've become 
accustomed to whatever fonts i've been getting.

i'm loathe to plunge deep into xrdb and other ancient X lore.  i'd 
sooner do something simple like add font specs to my commandlines.  but 
can someone give me a quick lesson so i can learn what fonts i've been 
getting so far, and how i might specify them on the commandline so i get 
the same ones regardless of my roamings amongst various X environments?

tia,
greg wm


From admin at lctn.org  Fri Jun 29 08:33:53 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:33:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Descriptors Corrupted have corrupted my vacation
Message-ID: <1523.10.10.10.23.1183124033.squirrel@10.10.4.20>

Of course, I was supposed to leave on vacation this morning:)

I had a main server go down hard last night. It wont boot now, and gives
errors related to the file system;

Ext3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3 check_desriptors: Block bitmap for group
1664 not in group (block 41471)!
Ext3-fs group descriptors corrupted!
mount: error 22 mounting ext3
mount: error 2 mounting none
switchroot: mount failed: 22
umount /initrd/dev failed: 2
Kernal Panic- not syncing: Attempted to kill init.



I tried to boot to to linux rescue mode, to run fsck, but it says there
are no Linux partions.


Knoppix show /dev/sda1, and all files, but does not know the file system
of /dev/sda2.

Any ideas how I can run a disk repair tool on this box?


Raymond


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From drue at therub.org  Fri Jun 29 09:26:57 2007
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:26:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Descriptors Corrupted have corrupted my vacation
In-Reply-To: <1523.10.10.10.23.1183124033.squirrel@10.10.4.20>
References: <1523.10.10.10.23.1183124033.squirrel@10.10.4.20>
Message-ID: <20070629142657.GO15232@therub.org>

On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:33:53AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote:
> Of course, I was supposed to leave on vacation this morning:)
> 
> I had a main server go down hard last night. It wont boot now, and gives
> errors related to the file system;
> 
> Ext3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3 check_desriptors: Block bitmap for group
> 1664 not in group (block 41471)!
> Ext3-fs group descriptors corrupted!
> mount: error 22 mounting ext3
> mount: error 2 mounting none
> switchroot: mount failed: 22
> umount /initrd/dev failed: 2
> Kernal Panic- not syncing: Attempted to kill init.
> 
> 
> 
> I tried to boot to to linux rescue mode, to run fsck, but it says there
> are no Linux partions.
> 
> 
> Knoppix show /dev/sda1, and all files, but does not know the file system
> of /dev/sda2.
> 
> Any ideas how I can run a disk repair tool on this box?

All disks go bad, eventually. 

Why are you trying to repair a bad drive?  Even if it's not bad, and is
repairable - how could you trust it now?  Replace, restore from backups,
and enjoy your vacation!

Dan


From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Fri Jun 29 17:45:28 2007
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:45:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] linux ping times slower?
Message-ID: <46858B88.1030008@greatlakedata.com>

we're getting internet dropout of upto a couple minutes, then ok again, 
repeating every few minutes, at a client's office in vermont, connected 
via comcast cable.  the comcast modem does not do NAT, and is connected 
to their linux server which acts as firewall and does NAT.

running a "ping google.com" at the linux server shows ping times of 
around 40ms, and shows dropouts of several seconds or several minutes 
every few minutes.  comcast of course does not support linux, and wants 
a windows machine attached to diagnose.  i'm waiting to hear whether the 
dropouts continue or not with the windows machine connected to the modem.

meanwhile the windows machine surprisingly shows ping times of around 
20ms.  we've gone back and forth between the machines over a couple 
days, and the difference is consistent.  but why should they be 
different?  the linux server is ~ a year old, the windows machine ~ 3 
years old.

tia,
greg wm


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Fri Jun 29 18:04:46 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:04:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] linux ping times slower?
In-Reply-To: <46858B88.1030008@greatlakedata.com>
References: <46858B88.1030008@greatlakedata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0706291803570.5050@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, greg wm wrote:
> running a "ping google.com" at the linux server shows ping times of 
> around 40ms, and shows dropouts of several seconds or several minutes 
> every few minutes.  comcast of course does not support linux, and wants 
> a windows machine attached to diagnose.  i'm waiting to hear whether the 
> dropouts continue or not with the windows machine connected to the 
> modem.
>
> meanwhile the windows machine surprisingly shows ping times of around 
> 20ms.  we've gone back and forth between the machines over a couple 
> days, and the difference is consistent.  but why should they be 
> different?  the linux server is ~ a year old, the windows machine ~ 3 
> years old.

Do you have any wacky firewall rules set up on the Linux box? Any weird 
network configuration?

Do you get an IP from the same subnet on both the Windows and Linux boxes? 
What do traceroutes look like? It could be that you are getting an IP from 
a different box on the Windows side.

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From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Sat Jun 30 01:32:16 2007
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:32:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] linux ping times slower?
In-Reply-To: <46858B88.1030008@greatlakedata.com>
References: <46858B88.1030008@greatlakedata.com>
Message-ID: <4685F8F0.3060200@greatlakedata.com>


> we're getting internet dropout of upto a couple minutes, then ok 
> again, repeating every few minutes, at a client's office in vermont, 
> connected via comcast cable.  the comcast modem does not do NAT, and 
> is connected to their linux server which acts as firewall and does NAT.
>
> running a "ping google.com" at the linux server shows ping times of 
> around 40ms, and shows dropouts of several seconds or several minutes 
> every few minutes.  comcast of course does not support linux, and 
> wants a windows machine attached to diagnose.  i'm waiting to hear 
> whether the dropouts continue or not with the windows machine 
> connected to the modem.
>
> meanwhile the windows machine surprisingly shows ping times of around 
> 20ms.  we've gone back and forth between the machines over a couple 
> days, and the difference is consistent.  but why should they be 
> different?  the linux server is ~ a year old, the windows machine ~ 3 
> years old.
well the internet dropouts are now fixed after changing the linux eth 
config from a fixed address to dhcpc.  with that setup wrong, i'm 
perplexed it kept coming back to life at all!

and now windoze gets the same 40ms ping times.  must just be variable 
network time via comcast.  oh well thanks anyway nate.


From blacknight_709 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 30 00:08:32 2007
From: blacknight_709 at hotmail.com (Dan Smith)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:08:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.
Message-ID: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>

I was given a "project" by my boss to look into a IP based system for our 
Small office in St.Paul.  Our office currently has 4 people with Phone 
Extentions, but Can support up to 6 actual stations.

Does anyone have ideas about this?  Vonage?

Thanks,

Dan

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From admin at lctn.org  Sat Jun 30 23:34:55 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:34:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ip Based Phone System.
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F291C1BE0D3B4A52C281CC3B50F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48512.204.212.34.10.1183264495.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I was given a "project" by my boss to look into a IP based system for our
> Small office in St.Paul.  Our office currently has 4 people with Phone
> Extentions, but Can support up to 6 actual stations.
>


If you want to do your own, check out freepbx. You can demo a vmware
package of trixbox, which uses freepbx

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