From thurianknight at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 07:47:28 2007
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:47:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/28/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > The T1 cards with hardware echo cancellation were a lifesaver for us,
> > not sure if any other manufacturers are producing a card with that
> > feature.
>
> I know Sangoma also makes one. They also do a lot more in hardware (ie -
> the price tag skyrockets).

I'll have to look into those -- any idea how they compare with Digium,
in "bang for the buck"?

> > Can't say much about the FXO/FXS cards from Digium, besides the fact
> > that they work as expected. We have used them for testing, but do not
> > have any in a production server.
>
> Avoid the FXO/FXS cards whenever possible.  :)

Yeah, in our environment, the only place we would use them is for
integration with an older PBX -- which is exactly what we were
testing. We are unable to add a 2nd T1 card to the PBX, so we used a
CO card and connected it to the FXO ports on the Digium card.

> My advice would be to get digital trunks (BRI's or PRI's), and if you need
> FXS ports (for fax machines, door phones, etc), get a channel bank to
> split a T1 into multiple analog lines. If you can't get digital lines, you
> can get channel banks that will let you configure (for example) 16 ports
> as FXO and 8 ports as FXS - so you could plug 16 analog phone lines into
> it, and 8 analog extensions.

If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a
BRI line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good
suggestion.

> > The biggest challenge we've had is with faxing. We ended up bringing in
> > dedicated analog lines from Qwest for our faxes at one installation, but
> > faxes at the other installation are running off Sipura (now Linksys)
> > SIP-to-analog converter boxes, and they seem to work fine -- but they
> > also use the faxes less than the folks who got analog lines.
>
> Have you tried the fax support for Asterisk (or OpenPBX)? I've heard good
> things about it; haven't ever tried it, though.

We tried it (using the latest version of asterisk compiled from
source), but to be honest, hit a wall when Asterisk would core dump
every time a fax came in. Since we were under a bit of time pressure
(to put it mildly), we went the "easy route" and just got a couple of
analog lines from Qwest.

This is something we definitely want to investigate in the near
future, though, since it would save us a bit of cash, and add some
nice functionality to the system. Every DID can become an instant "fax
machine", effectively giving each office user their own personal fax.

> > I do seem to recall reading that having more than one card in a single
> > server can lead to performance issues, because the telephony interface
> > cards tend to generate so many interrupts on the system bus, and they
> > need to run in real time -- if you have too many cards, it will start to
> > show in performance rather quickly.
>
> The Sangoma cards solve this - the cards don't generate a pile of
> interrupts.

Good to know. They must keep a lot of processing in the card itself,
rather than sending it to the CPU, right? Otherwise I can't see how
this would work.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.


From david.alitz at charter.net  Thu Mar  1 09:15:33 2007
From: david.alitz at charter.net (Dave Alitz)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:15:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E6EE15.1070103@charter.net>

We just purchase a Fonality system (too lazy to build an asterisk 
solution myself.)  They're using CentOS with a Sangoma T1/Pri card and 
Rhino channel banks.  They discouraged the use of more than one 
interface card and suggested the channel bank for our FXS ports. (We're 
using a T1 interface for our external connection.)

You might want to consider trixbox (www.trixbox.org) instead of rolling 
your own asterisk server.

Dave Alitz

Eric Peterson wrote:
> I was looking at moving our office to an Asterisk implementation and
> was checking out the cost of the FXO/FXS hardware. I've been looking
> at Digium's hardware, but was wondering if this was the best route to
> take.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> We have six analog phone lines coming in and 8 analog phones connected
> to our current system. The current software isn't great and we can't
> use SIP based phones with it so I'd like to move to something that
> would support more soft phone clients.
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar  1 10:12:54 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:12:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010547l3bda6481h964358414828b73e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30702281625g4e5cd1e4ud6c9159c666357ee@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011009400.14121@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> I'll have to look into those -- any idea how they compare with Digium, 
> in "bang for the buck"?

Everyone I know who's used the cards love them; unfortunately, that's 
about the extent of my experience.  :(

> If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI 
> line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.

Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are 
old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to 
23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)

> We tried it (using the latest version of asterisk compiled from source), 
> but to be honest, hit a wall when Asterisk would core dump every time a 
> fax came in. Since we were under a bit of time pressure (to put it 
> mildly), we went the "easy route" and just got a couple of analog lines 
> from Qwest.

Nothing wrong with that!  :)

> This is something we definitely want to investigate in the near future, 
> though, since it would save us a bit of cash, and add some nice 
> functionality to the system. Every DID can become an instant "fax 
> machine", effectively giving each office user their own personal fax.

Exactly - and fax via e-mail is much nicer than fax via paper!

> Good to know. They must keep a lot of processing in the card itself, 
> rather than sending it to the CPU, right? Otherwise I can't see how this 
> would work.

Correct - Digium gives you the prices they do by doing a lot of the 
processing on the host CPU; Sangoma does the processing on the card (and 
costs more), but also lets you do more on one box.

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|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From thurianknight at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 10:46:36 2007
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:46:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011009400.14121@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30702281625g4e5cd1e4ud6c9159c666357ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<7bdea6e30703010547l3bda6481h964358414828b73e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/1/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI
> > line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.
>
> Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are
> old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to
> 23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)

True, but a PRI is gonna cost him about $500/month. Depending on how
busy their phones are, they could "oversubscribe" 8 phones to a
2-channel BRI line, or even get 2 BRI's and have 4 channels available.

Now depending on what they do for Internet access, an integrated T1
could be an ideal solution. Use 6 or 8 channels for voice, and have
the rest for data.

But at this point we have definitely strayed away from his questions
about using Asterisk and Digium hardware :-)
-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar  1 14:23:05 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:23:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011422520.18686@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> But at this point we have definitely strayed away from his questions 
> about using Asterisk and Digium hardware :-)

At least it's more on topic than the last thread!  :)

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 15:03:45 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:03:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
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	<7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703011303q17f0b826q83c64f77738f0103@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/07, Dave Sherman <thurianknight at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/1/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > > If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI
> > > line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.
> >
> > Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are
> > old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to
> > 23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)
>
> True, but a PRI is gonna cost him about $500/month. Depending on how
> busy their phones are, they could "oversubscribe" 8 phones to a
> 2-channel BRI line, or even get 2 BRI's and have 4 channels available.
>
> Now depending on what they do for Internet access, an integrated T1
> could be an ideal solution. Use 6 or 8 channels for voice, and have
> the rest for data.


You hit the nail on the head. We have a split T1. We don't need much
bandwidth for what we do and it seems to work OK, but I do wish we had
bigger pipe for ISO downloads and such.


From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Mar  1 18:48:00 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:48:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
Message-ID: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>

Hey,

I've got this old HP Pavilion that I'm trying to do a Debian network 
install on.  I've got it PXE booting fine off my tftp server, but when 
it gets to the point of doing the 'base system' install it bombs with a 
debootstrap error that says 'Release file signed by unknown key' and 
won't let me proceed (this is etch).

I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that is 
already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal install 
environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the security?  
Find the proper key?

I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if I 
knew what the syntax might be.

... something along these lines?
wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc (there doesn't seem 
to be a 2007 one.)
debootstrap --keyring=?? ... ??

Thanks,

~jh



From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar  1 20:29:48 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:29:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <20070302022948.GA24580@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:48:00PM -0600, John Hawley wrote:
> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that
> is already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal
> install environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the
> security?  Find the proper key?
> 
> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if
> I knew what the syntax might be.

Once you've built your bootstrap directory, chroot into it.  Then do
an "apt-key update".  That should get you going.  Run "apt-get update"
and "apt-get upgrade", and finally "apt-get clean".  Then re-build the
tarball.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
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From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Mar  1 21:52:51 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:52:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <20070302022948.GA24580@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
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Message-ID: <45E79F93.6060003@hissingdragon.net>

Chad Walstrom wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:48:00PM -0600, John Hawley wrote:
>   
>> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that
>> is already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal
>> install environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the
>> security?  Find the proper key?
>>
>> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if
>> I knew what the syntax might be.
>>     
>
> Once you've built your bootstrap directory, chroot into it.  Then do
> an "apt-key update".  That should get you going.  Run "apt-get update"
> and "apt-get upgrade", and finally "apt-get clean".  Then re-build the
> tarball.
>   
Ahh, I'll have to try that next time.

I already managed to get past the issue by cheating a little.  I used 
wget to get /etc/apt/trusted.gpg from another of my debian machines.  It 
contained the proper key.

~jh


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 09:47:08 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:47:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>

I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?

- Joey
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:20:07 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:20:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
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Found a partial answer:

Charter Communications blocks all the common ports, ie 21 is among them.  So
I changed it to port 4021.  I can connect, but I cannot see the directory
because (I am assuming) port 4020 still is not getting out.  I am getting
the message "425 Can't open data connection".

- Joey

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From: Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 2, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: IPCop, FTP server
To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>

I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?

- Joey
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:38:31 2007
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:38:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
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I would just do yourself a favor, forget ftp, and just use 'sftp' (its
part of your ssh server).

Then you only have to worry about opening up the ssh port.

man sftp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol

ftp can be a pain - but if you really need it, this might help:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ftp.html

Dan

On 3/2/07, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> Found a partial answer:
>
> Charter Communications blocks all the common ports, ie 21 is among them.  So
> I changed it to port 4021.  I can connect, but I cannot see the directory
> because (I am assuming) port 4020 still is not getting out.  I am getting
> the message "425 Can't open data connection".
>
> - Joey
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>
>  Date: Mar 2, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: IPCop, FTP server
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>
> I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
> it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
> have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
> various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?
>
> - Joey
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:52:12 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:52:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40703020938i3b9f565bs342bd1b3de78a6ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>

I'd have to agree with Dan there. FileZilla and WinSCP clients are
great Windows clients for SFTP/SCP. I always use the command line on
Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.

Have you tried setting your FTP client to passive mode?

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Fri Mar  2 12:08:37 2007
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:08:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>	<101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>	<82f04dc40703020938i3b9f565bs342bd1b3de78a6ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>

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Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> I always use the command line on
> Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.

Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote ssh.
It's just drag and drop from there.

Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.

- --
Andy Moore
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

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From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Mar  2 13:57:52 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:57:52 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Roll your own laptop battery
Message-ID: <030220071957.11515.45E881C00009986400002CFB22070206530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I thought this might be useful to people as a lot of us use older machines....

http://www.summet.com/blog/2007/02/17/laptop-battery-refill/

--
==========
Todd Young


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Fri Mar  2 15:22:22 2007
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14))
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:22:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA3F3B3134B63643A9BCE9BB74F58FEC01EE63F9@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Did you remember to configure your cable/dsl router to fwd requests from
the internet to your ftp server's NAT'ed ip address?  
 
Often that can be done with a web browser pointed to your "dot one"
address, eg 192.168.0.1  - see my example screenshots using an
Actiontech 1520 DSL modem at
http://craiggae.dyndns.org/actiontec/HOWTO.html
 
While's you're at it, you might want to accept ssh too (be sure to keep
your ftpd and sshd updated with the latest security patches).
 
 

________________________________

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joey Rockhold
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 09:47
To: TCLUG List
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server


I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can
connect to it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to
it at all.  I have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop
firewall, and trying various things, but I am missing something
somewhere.  Any suggestions? 

- Joey

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From josh at tcbug.org  Sat Mar  3 11:17:59 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:17:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>

On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > I always use the command line on
> > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
>
> Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
>
> Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.

While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays 
nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there 
are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer 
your question.

FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all 
you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients 
can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse, 
passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there 
these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP 
the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed 
upon between the client and server over the command 
channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like 
connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation 
has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So 
you end up with a situation like this...

client connects to server on command port which is punched through the 
NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do 
that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and 
tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new 
connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with 
it, so it gets dropped.

The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by 
default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router 
as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and 
PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use 
your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting 
varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do 
connectrac or punch_fw.
-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sat Mar  3 14:09:09 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:09:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>

This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:11:24 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

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Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:14:04 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:16:32 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:20:01 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:18:14 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:09:09 -0600
From: Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703031409.10318.jus at krytosvirus.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




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*****************************************
This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




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From danbsmith at comcast.net  Sun Mar  4 23:57:54 2007
From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:57:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
Message-ID: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>

Hey guys,

I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a 
"Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any 
helpfull links that would be great.

Thanks!..

Dan


From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 00:09:33 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:09:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>

I used this when setting up a temp lab a few years ago:

http://www.ltsp.org/

Brock


On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
> helpfull links that would be great.
>
> Thanks!..
>
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 00:55:22 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:55:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a 
>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any 
>> helpfull links that would be great.


Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.

Mike


From slushpupie at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 07:43:09 2007
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:43:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <ace41e70703050543n3d2e99e4wf744b2ae6cf2e845@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/07, John Hawley <jhawley at hissingdragon.net> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I've got this old HP Pavilion that I'm trying to do a Debian network
> install on.  I've got it PXE booting fine off my tftp server, but when
> it gets to the point of doing the 'base system' install it bombs with a
> debootstrap error that says 'Release file signed by unknown key' and
> won't let me proceed (this is etch).
>
> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that is
> already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal install
> environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the security?
> Find the proper key?
>
> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if I
> knew what the syntax might be.
>
> ... something along these lines?
> wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc (there doesn't seem
> to be a 2007 one.)
> debootstrap --keyring=?? ... ??


I ran into a problem like this recently.  My nfsroot (that was used
for performing the install) had root squash on like normal, but the
keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg) was root owned with restrictive
permissions, so the client could not read it.

Jay


-- 
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http://www.slushpupie.com/


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Mar  5 07:47:42 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:47:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>

>> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>
>
> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>
> Mike
>

Xvnc Terminal Server
http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 10:05:13 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:05:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>   
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>   
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051002551.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Justin Krejci wrote:

>>> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>>
>>
>> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Xvnc Terminal Server
> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/


That's for TightVNC.  I've been using RealVNC.  I don't know which is 
better for which purposes and why.  There is an pay version of RealVNC 
that adds a few bells and whistles (like encryption) to the GPL version.

Mike


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Mar  5 10:57:16 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:57:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 3/5/2007 at 7:47 AM, in message
<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel at www.krytosvirus.com>, "Justin Krejci"
<jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>> > On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>>
>> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>> Mike
> 
> Xvnc Terminal Server
> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/ 

A less gentoo-centric (nothing against gentoo) is here:

  http://faq.gotomyvnc.com/fom-serve/cache/57.html 

but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":

  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd

Good luck!

Troy





From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 12:35:27 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:35:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

> but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":
>
>  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd


What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC session 
if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the VNC session 
is already running?

I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had one 
session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
interrupted by a power failure.

By the way, autocutsel is helpful for use with VNC and I recommend it.

Mike


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Mar  5 13:07:21 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:07:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 3/5/2007 at 12:35 PM, in message
<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>, Mike Miller
<mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
>> but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":
>>  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd 
> 
> What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC session 
> if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the VNC session 
> is already running?
> I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
> line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had one 
> session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
> interrupted by a power failure.
> By the way, autocutsel is helpful for use with VNC and I recommend it.
> Mike

You would use the VNC over SSH tunnel 
option (and I do) if you want to keep 
it simple (and I do). 

If you want it to act like a Terminal 
Server, and create new sessions for 
users as they connect (and hopefully
go away when they log out), the inetd 
option is a reasonably simple way to 
do it.

Troy






From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 13:51:54 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:51:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051347261.19448@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

> Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>> What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC 
>> session if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the 
>> VNC session is already running?
>>
>> I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
>> line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had 
>> one session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
>> interrupted by a power failure.
>
> You would use the VNC over SSH tunnel option (and I do) if you want to 
> keep it simple (and I do).

Are you saying that with inetd you can automate the ssh tunneling part of 
the login process?  That would be very cool.  Getting the tunneling set up 
is always an annoyance.


> If you want it to act like a Terminal Server, and create new sessions 
> for users as they connect (and hopefully go away when they log out), the 
> inetd option is a reasonably simple way to do it.

I get that now.  So terminal server isn't persistent -- the session dies 
when you log out.

For those unfamiliar with VNC:  One of the coolest things about it is that 
you can maintain a session, the state of which is stored on the server. 
If your connection is killed or you just want to go work from a different 
machine (e.g., at home, at the office, in the library, in a different 
city), you can just connect again and you will see that everything is 
exactly where you left it, your cursor blinking in the same place in the 
same window, etc.

Mike


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Mon Mar  5 14:16:47 2007
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:16:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
Message-ID: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>

I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server to 
allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like to have 
4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not answered.

I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.

The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:

    * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
    * Memory: 1GB
    * MoBo: Asus K8N

We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open to 
suggestions.

Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if needed. 
Thanks all!

    -Matt
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From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  5 20:05:24 2007
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:05:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
Message-ID: <1173146724.3742.8.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>

Interesting topic.

Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
Software -Europe site:

http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html

Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
localisation and ease of system administration.


Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
. 
FreeNX write-up:
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+

Nomachine: 
http://www.nomachine.com/

John Reese



From trnja001 at umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 22:33:02 2007
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:33:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
Message-ID: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>

Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of 
us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The 
last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some 
of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then 
that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a 
meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive 
but didn't find any discussion about this.

Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack 
of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized? 
Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Mon Mar  5 23:07:49 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:07:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
References: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Yes, we are currently planning the next meeting and installfest.  One 
challenge is finding a location for the installfest.  If you know of a 
suitable space available, please let us know.  

Jeremy

On Monday 05 March 2007 10:33 pm, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of
> us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The
> last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some
> of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then
> that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a
> meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive
> but didn't find any discussion about this.
>
> Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack
> of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized?
> Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From j at cruit.net  Mon Mar  5 14:52:58 2007
From: j at cruit.net (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:52:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>

Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so no 
hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 11$ a 
month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing calls at 
something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.  I've had good success 
with them and they are not only very Asterisk friendly they even have a 
built in script in Trixbox to set them up.

My box was very similar in configuration and I was hovering around 1% 
utilization most of the time.  But I can't help with the specific cards 
as again, I used that VOIP provider.

--j

Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
> small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server to 
> allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like to 
> have 4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not answered.
>
> I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
> pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.
>
> The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:
>
>     * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
>     * Memory: 1GB
>     * MoBo: Asus K8N
>
> We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
> there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
> why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open 
> to suggestions.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if needed. 
> Thanks all!
>
>     -Matt
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 09:46:46 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:46:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com> <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0703060746u7f3a32acw514abda5a6992d9a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, J Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:
> Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so no
> hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 11$ a
> month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing calls at
> something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.

Seems like you may have a decimal point error here.  From Voicepulse's
website[1]:

"However, all of our rates are between half-a-cent ($0.005) and $0.019."

IIRC, a similar error got Verizon in a bunch of hot water recently.

;-)

-Erik

[1] http://connect.voicepulse.com/Rates.aspx


From trnja001 at umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 12:05:04 2007
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:05:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
	<200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>

I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the 
lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The 
halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all the tables, 
depending on how many people show up.

Jeremy wrote:
> Yes, we are currently planning the next meeting and installfest.  One 
> challenge is finding a location for the installfest.  If you know of a 
> suitable space available, please let us know.  
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday 05 March 2007 10:33 pm, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
>   
>> Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of
>> us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The
>> last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some
>> of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then
>> that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a
>> meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive
>> but didn't find any discussion about this.
>>
>> Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack
>> of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized?
>> Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  6 12:26:13 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:26:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Elvedin Trnjanin
>
>
> I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the
> lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The
> halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all
> the tables,
> depending on how many people show up.

UMN is a site I avoid since parking is such a hassle.
Worse for installfests when folks stay longer.

Most anywhere else would be better for meetings, IMHO.


Chuck





From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 12:29:04 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:29:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
	<200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703061029v46c5eccfndfa62a0ba9a2b6d5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Josh Paetzel, who actually tried
to answer the original question.  I was trying not to admit this FTP server
is on a Windows 2003 box, so I just kept plugging away and trying.  Never
did figure it out.  So I am going to install VMWare server and within that
set up a minimal linux server.  That I know how to do.

- Joey

On 3/3/07, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP
> communications
> in passive and active modes.
>
> http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
>
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> > On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > > I always use the command line on
> > > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> > >
> > > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> > >
> > > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
> >
> > While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> > nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> > are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> > your question.
> >
> > FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> > you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> > can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> > passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> > these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> > the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> > upon between the client and server over the command
> > channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> > connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> > has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> > you end up with a situation like this...
> >
> > client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> > NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> > that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> > tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> > connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> > it, so it gets dropped.
> >
> > The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> > default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> > as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> > PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> > your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> > varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> > connectrac or punch_fw.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 13:09:27 2007
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:09:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703061029v46c5eccfndfa62a0ba9a2b6d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
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Message-ID: <27e6356a0703061109y9446a18m5e9f58bde0473221@mail.gmail.com>

I assume this is in order to use SSH/SCP/SFTP rather than FTP?
Instead, you could use OpenSSH for Windows.
http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/

- Justin

On 3/6/07, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Josh Paetzel, who actually tried
> to answer the original question.  I was trying not to admit this FTP server
> is on a Windows 2003 box, so I just kept plugging away and trying.  Never
> did figure it out.  So I am going to install VMWare server and within that
> set up a minimal linux server.  That I know how to do.
>
> - Joey


From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Mar  6 13:10:54 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:10:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server connections
Message-ID: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.

Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
many issues.

Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
connection with very little if any lag?

Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.

Thanks in advance.

Randy



From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com  Tue Mar  6 13:38:46 2007
From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:38:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AD1913F70C219A458F44131CC9E91BA637F39D@exch01.internal.ntuminc.com>

I am running from an XP PC at my home office, through a VPN tunnel to a
client's network and using Remote Desktop Connection to connect to my PC
in my client's office.  I get disconnected frequently every day.
Sometimes every 15 minutes or so.

Very frustrating when trying to get any work done.

I also have multiple telnet sessions running from my home office PC to
my client's Linux server.  I never lose those connections.  (Unless my
entire internet connections goes down, or something like that.)  I just
attribute it to Remote Desktop Connection being a very touchy (poorly
designed?) thing.

It seems to be worse when trying to type things.  I can read e-mail for
long periods of time with no dropped connections, but when I try
answering an e-mail ...

So, you're not alone.  I'm having the same issues.

Larry
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-
> linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: tclug
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server
connections
> 
> A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
> system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
> but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
> webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.
> 
> Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.
This
> can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
> latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me
this
> many issues.
> 
> Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
> eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
> connection with very little if any lag?
> 
> Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
> reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
> situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Tue Mar  6 14:07:45 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:07:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This 
> can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some 
> latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this 
> many issues.

Weird. Are you going over the 'net at large, or a tunnel of some sort?

I do this on a fairly regular basis to my VMware session running XP at 
work, over a VPN link, and have no issues.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 14:13:17 2007
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:13:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.  But I myself would like very much if it were actually in The City
(tm) this time, as opposed to the burbs, which effectively bars me from
attending.  (If the bus don't go there, Pete usually don't go there.)  Has
anyone thought about public libraries?  I work next door to St. Paul
Central, I can certainly run over there and see if they have any sort of
meeting space.  Not sure what kind of size we'd be talking about though, not
to mention issues of power and connectivity and such...

-p.

On 3/6/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Elvedin Trnjanin
> >
> >
> > I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the
> > lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The
> > halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all
> > the tables,
> > depending on how many people show up.
>
> UMN is a site I avoid since parking is such a hassle.
> Worse for installfests when folks stay longer.
>
> Most anywhere else would be better for meetings, IMHO.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Mar  6 14:16:30 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:16:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <1173212190.12088.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am going over the net at large - no VPN tunnel or anything.  High
speed wireless connection.  But, it sounds like Larry was having the
same experiences I am having.

Anyone use something else out there to go direct into a PC box that has
better success?

Randy

ps I am still interested in what might be causing my issues.

On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 14:07 -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> > Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This 
> > can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some 
> > latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this 
> > many issues.
> 
> Weird. Are you going over the 'net at large, or a tunnel of some sort?
> 
> I do this on a fairly regular basis to my VMware session running XP at 
> work, over a VPN link, and have no issues.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
> |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------



From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:12:29 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:12:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020703061312g5466a418pce264e08c81dd366@mail.gmail.com>

Are you connecting to a server (NT4TSE, Windows 2000 Server, Windows
Server 2003) or a client OS (WinXP, Vista)?

To get to my home PC from wherever I am I use ssh to first connect to
my Linux machine at home. I use port forwarding to connect to my
Windows machine from there. (ssh -L 3390:windowsbox:3389
username at ssh.host.com, point the Remote Desktop Connection client to
localhost:3390). I've enabled SSH keep alive in my sshd_config file,
and my connection can be stable for days.

I'm not sure if this works on WinXP as well, but in Windows 2000 and
2003 you can set some keep alive options via group policy. Computer
Configuration > Windows Components > Terminal Services. The keep alive
features are rather different from those offered by SSH however and
may not make any great improvements.

RDP isn't the most secure protocol in the world, better than VNC but
still not overly strong. Your best bet would be be to use RDP via a
VPN or SSH.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:15:36 2007
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:15:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1173213570.12928.4.camel@chani>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
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	<1173213570.12928.4.camel@chani>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0703061315p65dcd301kbeced4ca72ae328b@mail.gmail.com>

This was accidentally sent in reply only to me.

-p.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 6, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
To: Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com>

Hey all,

How many people on average have attended the TCLUG events? Maybe we
could meet at a party room at an apartment building. There is such a
facility in my complex, but it's rather small and I live in Fridley. If
someone out there has something more central, that may be a good
suggestion.

Also, is there any structure to the events? Will there be speakers, or
structured activities? I've never been to one, but I'm looking forward
to the next meeting.

Benjamin
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:43:46 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:43:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0703061315p65dcd301kbeced4ca72ae328b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
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Does anyone have a big garage they could empty out for a meeting?  Users can
donate tables, chairs, food, the home owner could provide internet via
wireless, etc..

Just a thought.

- Joey

On 3/6/07, Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This was accidentally sent in reply only to me.
>
> -p.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Benjamin Gramlich < benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com>
> Date: Mar 6, 2007 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
> To: Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com>
>
> Hey all,
>
> How many people on average have attended the TCLUG events? Maybe we
> could meet at a party room at an apartment building. There is such a
> facility in my complex, but it's rather small and I live in Fridley. If
> someone out there has something more central, that may be a good
> suggestion.
>
> Also, is there any structure to the events? Will there be speakers, or
> structured activities? I've never been to one, but I'm looking forward
> to the next meeting.
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 16:02:49 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:02:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
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	<1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703061402h599d6a6cv30d207782bbf3ea7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree.  But I myself would like very much if it were actually in The City
> (tm) this time, as opposed to the burbs, which effectively bars me from
> attending.  (If the bus don't go there, Pete usually don't go there.)  Has

We're trying to get the meeting scheduled ASAP. Another volunteer
(thanks, Jeremy) has taken the initial steps in reserving a room for
the EE-CSCI building. This may not be ideal, but we're trying to get
the meetings going again so we're taking the road well travelled to
expedite the process. We can look at changing venues for the following
meetings.

We are looking at having the intallfest at a library or community
center or any place that has a large space where we can rearrange
tables. We will be meeting soon to (hopefully) finalize the details
and then we will be reporting to the LUG. If anyone has any solid
leads or good ideas, please let us know.

Thanks for the interest and suggestions. With the help of Clay, we
have formed a small group of people to organize the next series of
meetings/installfests. If you would like to help in organizing or help
in any other way, send an email to the list, Clay or myself and we'll
get you into the loop.

Cheers!
Eric


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Tue Mar  6 17:42:41 2007
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:42:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com> <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
Message-ID: <45EDFC71.5060706@plauditdesign.com>

This was actually very helpful! Have there been any problems or 
complications you have experienced with them? So far, they look great 
and seem to get favorable reviews. Any additional info you think might 
be useful to me would be great.

Thanks for the idea...right now, it looks like this might be exactly 
what we need.

J Cruit wrote:
> Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so 
> no hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 
> 11$ a month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing 
> calls at something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.  I've had 
> good success with them and they are not only very Asterisk friendly 
> they even have a built in script in Trixbox to set them up.
>
> My box was very similar in configuration and I was hovering around 1% 
> utilization most of the time.  But I can't help with the specific 
> cards as again, I used that VOIP provider.
>
> --j
>
> Matt Dittbenner wrote:
>> I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
>> small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server 
>> to allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like 
>> to have 4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not 
>> answered.
>>
>> I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
>> pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.
>>
>> The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:
>>
>>     * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
>>     * Memory: 1GB
>>     * MoBo: Asus K8N
>>
>> We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
>> there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
>> why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open 
>> to suggestions.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if 
>> needed. Thanks all!
>>
>>     -Matt
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>   
>


-- 

	<http://www.plaudit.com/> 	
Matt Dittbenner
*EMAIL* 	. 	matt at plaudit.com <mailto:matt at plaudit.com>
*WEB* 	. 	www.plaudit.com <http://www.plaudit.com/>
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From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Tue Mar  6 18:01:00 2007
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:01:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterick VOIP ???
Message-ID: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>

TCLUG,
I have read some of the postings about Asterick. Is there a good
source of info out there that could help me explain how to set
up a VOIP system. In our office we have a Nortel 6line/16 phone
system. Very old by today?s standards. We need more phones, so
was thinking about adding VOIP to supplement our system. Any
thoughts???
Tom

GreenCare
Thomas Rieff
1717 3rd Avenue
Mankato, MN 56001
(507) 344-8314 Office
(507) 344-8316 Fax

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From jack at jacku.com  Tue Mar  6 22:47:25 2007
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:47:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterick VOIP ???
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
References: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
Message-ID: <200703062247.26054.jack@jacku.com>

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 6:01 pm, Thomas Rieff wrote:
> TCLUG,
> I have read some of the postings about Asterick. Is there a good
> source of info out there that could help me explain how to set
> up a VOIP system. In our office we have a Nortel 6line/16 phone
> system. Very old by today?s standards. We need more phones, so
> was thinking about adding VOIP to supplement our system. Any
> thoughts???
> Tom
>

The March issue of Linux Journal has Asterisk on the cover with many articles. 
One might cover what you are looking for.


-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 22:55:07 2007
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
Message-ID: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dan,

I have used what is called NX to serve my desktop around my house and to my office (off site).  I haven't run it for maybe 8 months now, but last I used it, it worked really well.  The idea was, and probably still is, you get the free client from these German fellows: http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php.  And the server, you get from NOMachine: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1.  And between the two, you have a free, lightweight server of desktop and it, in my experience, is far from bloated.   Since I haven't used it in a number of months, you may want to pull up NX, nomachine, or free nx in your favorite search engine. It's worth a look.

Damien




----- Original Message ----
From: John Reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:05:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?

Interesting topic.

Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
Software -Europe site:

http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html

Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
localisation and ease of system administration.


Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
. 
FreeNX write-up:
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+

Nomachine: 
http://www.nomachine.com/

John Reese


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 23:14:11 2007
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:14:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
Message-ID: <363761.95085.qm@web37208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For what it's worth, I have not seen this problem.  For me, it is usually rdesktop over a short-distance LAN type connection from RHEL/Fedora to WinXP/2000Server and I can't recall being dropped frequently.  Occasionally, across town to an office but, still, good connectivity and not a lot of dropped connections.  

Out of curiosity, is a VPN involved during these dropped connections? If so, can the VPN be taken out of the equation while still keeping the login credentials secure across the network? May be worth a try.

Damien




----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com>
To: tclug <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:10:54 PM
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server connections

A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.

Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
many issues.

Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
connection with very little if any lag?

Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.

Thanks in advance.

Randy


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Mar  7 09:11:22 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:11:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703071511.l27FBMl08703@crusader.real-time.com>

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 09:14:34 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:14:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
In-Reply-To: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703070714g2e926337o83596f576831bd05@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I have used what is called NX to serve my desktop around my house and to my office (off site).  I haven't run it for maybe 8 months now, but last I used it, it worked really well.  The idea was, and probably still is, you get the free client from these German fellows: http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php.  And the server, you get from NOMachine: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1.  And between the two, you have a free, lightweight server of desktop and it, in my experience, is far from bloated.   Since I haven't used it in a number of months, you may want to pull up NX, nomachine, or free nx in your favorite search engine. It's worth a look.
>
> Damien
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:05:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
>
> Interesting topic.
>
> Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
> Software -Europe site:
>
> http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html
>
> Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
> Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
> Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
> out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
> universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
> aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
> school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
> minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
> other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
> upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
> with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
> localisation and ease of system administration.
>
>
> Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
> way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
> .
> FreeNX write-up:
> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+
>
> Nomachine:
> http://www.nomachine.com/
>
> John Reese
>


I will preface the following by saying that I didn't do any real
testing and this was running on a Xen based workstation.

I have been using TightVNC for many years, running it as an xinetd
service to allow people to use our workstations remotely. I also use
it the same way at home.

I tried NoMachine and FreeNX recently and after trying it several
times I found the performance to be slightly worse than TightVNC. Some
things were faster such as menus popping up, but overall the
performance was worse. It could really be felt when switching windows.
The overall quality was pretty good, but I wasn't very impressed.

I don't have any real performance numbers to provide... just the feel
of things. Either solution will do a fine job, it may just come down
to what you prefer using. The one thing that looked like it could be
promising is the bundling of the SSH tunneling and the remote desktop
connectoin that the NoMachine client provides.

Eric


From auditodd at comcast.net  Wed Mar  7 09:49:10 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:49:10 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
Message-ID: <030720071549.6653.45EEDEF60006C185000019FD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

At my last position I used to use RDC to connect to desktops all over the continental US.
VPN on all the connections.
Going out on a bonded dual T1 to remote sites with varying connections including 768kb DSL lines and Comcast cable on the East Coast. 

Usually the only time I had issues (slowness, dropped connections) was when we knew the remote site ISP was having problems.

Just my experience.

--
==========
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com>
> For what it's worth, I have not seen this problem.  For me, it is usually 
> rdesktop over a short-distance LAN type connection from RHEL/Fedora to 
> WinXP/2000Server and I can't recall being dropped frequently.  Occasionally, 
> across town to an office but, still, good connectivity and not a lot of dropped 
> connections.  
> 
> Out of curiosity, is a VPN involved during these dropped connections? If so, can 
> the VPN be taken out of the equation while still keeping the login credentials 
> secure across the network? May be worth a try.
> 
> Damien
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com>
> To: tclug <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:10:54 PM
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server connections
> 
> A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
> system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
> but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
> webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.
> 
> Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
> can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
> latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
> many issues.
> 
> Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
> eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
> connection with very little if any lag?
> 
> Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
> reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
> situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Randy



From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:32:26 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:32:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <030720071549.6653.45EEDEF60006C185000019FD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <030720071549.6653.45EEDEF60006C185000019FD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703070932o3bfaccd3q559732211691bfaf@mail.gmail.com>

I telecommute twice a week from home to my office, through VPN.  With my
laptop, I find that if I'm wired into my home network, I have zero issues.
When I am using my wireless, after about 6 hours or so I notice a big
slowdown, and I have to disconnect/reconnect, and all is back to normal.
This leads me to believe the internet connection is fine, maybe it's a
hardware/driver issue, or memory?  Obviously your situation sounds more
severe than this, and I just live with the "bug" I have.

 - Joey

On 3/7/07, auditodd at comcast.net <auditodd at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At my last position I used to use RDC to connect to desktops all over the
> continental US.
> VPN on all the connections.
> Going out on a bonded dual T1 to remote sites with varying connections
> including 768kb DSL lines and Comcast cable on the East Coast.
>
> Usually the only time I had issues (slowness, dropped connections) was
> when we knew the remote site ISP was having problems.
>
> Just my experience.
>
> --
> ==========
> Todd Young
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com>
> > For what it's worth, I have not seen this problem.  For me, it is
> usually
> > rdesktop over a short-distance LAN type connection from RHEL/Fedora to
> > WinXP/2000Server and I can't recall being dropped
> frequently.  Occasionally,
> > across town to an office but, still, good connectivity and not a lot of
> dropped
> > connections.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, is a VPN involved during these dropped connections? If
> so, can
> > the VPN be taken out of the equation while still keeping the login
> credentials
> > secure across the network? May be worth a try.
> >
> > Damien
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com>
> > To: tclug <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:10:54 PM
> > Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server
> connections
> >
> > A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
> > system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
> > but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
> > webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.
> >
> > Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
> > can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
> > latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
> > many issues.
> >
> > Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
> > eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
> > connection with very little if any lag?
> >
> > Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
> > reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
> > situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Randy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From j at packetgod.com  Wed Mar  7 15:40:06 2007
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:40:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EDFC71.5060706@plauditdesign.com>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com> <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
	<45EDFC71.5060706@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <45EF3136.6040704@packetgod.com>

I had issues when two major ISPs started fighting and causing issues but 
they resolved their dispute after a little while and voicepulse happened 
to also move to a new datacenter and their new site shared an ISP with 
me. So the real moral of the story is before you sign up check out the 
traceroute to their site, run some long term trending for loss and 
jitter, and understand that yup, its still the Internet.

But its cheap, it works, and they are very asterisk friendly. There are 
0 features for their connect line of service (they have a consumer one 
with the bizillions of features) and you have to prepay for all services 
(it auto-loads chunks of $$$ when you get low). All local outbound calls 
are charged so if you are looking at many thousands of minutes you could 
see a hit from that. But at the crazy low price for calls its not a big 
deal.

Enjoy!

--j

Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> This was actually very helpful! Have there been any problems or 
> complications you have experienced with them? So far, they look great 
> and seem to get favorable reviews. Any additional info you think might 
> be useful to me would be great.
>
> Thanks for the idea...right now, it looks like this might be exactly 
> what we need.
>
> J Cruit wrote:
>> Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so 
>> no hardware is actually needed. They give you 4 lines by default for 
>> 11$ a month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing 
>> calls at something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes. I've had 
>> good success with them and they are not only very Asterisk friendly 
>> they even have a built in script in Trixbox to set them up.
>>
>> My box was very similar in configuration and I was hovering around 1% 
>> utilization most of the time. But I can't help with the specific 
>> cards as again, I used that VOIP provider.
>>
>> --j
>>
>> Matt Dittbenner wrote:
>>> I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
>>> small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server 
>>> to allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like 
>>> to have 4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not 
>>> answered.
>>>
>>> I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
>>> pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.
>>>
>>> The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:
>>>
>>> * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
>>> * Memory: 1GB
>>> * MoBo: Asus K8N
>>>
>>> We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. 
>>> Are there any recommendations as to which of these would be 
>>> preferred and why? Additionally, if you would recommend other 
>>> hardware, we are open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if 
>>> needed. Thanks all!
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> 	<http://www.plaudit.com/> 	
> Matt Dittbenner
> *EMAIL* 	? 	matt at plaudit.com <mailto:matt at plaudit.com>
> *WEB* 	? 	www.plaudit.com <http://www.plaudit.com/>
> *PHONE* 	? 	651.646.0696
> *FAX* 	? 	651.917.0600
> *ADDRESS* 	? 	2470 University Ave. W.
>
> 	St. Paul, MN 55114
>
> 	
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From markmit at comcast.net  Wed Mar  7 21:55:23 2007
From: markmit at comcast.net (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:55:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Screensaver in KDE
Message-ID: <200703072155.28289.markmit@comcast.net>

I know this is a trivial question, but it's been annoying me and googling 
hasn't helped.

I'm running Debian Testing, KDE 3.5.  The setting in KDE's Control Center 
doesn't seem to apply.  All I get for a screen blank is the large X.  

I'm guessing this is from either Xorg or kdm (my login manger), but I don't 
know how to get it out of the way to let my KDE setting work.

Any pointers appreciated.

Mark Mitchell


From dniesen at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 07:08:28 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:08:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] FC4 -> FC5 upgrade, yum not finding RPMs
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70703080508o7084a716k429296110dfe5dcf@mail.gmail.com>

I'm doing an upgrade from FC4 to FC5 and when I do

yum install kernel

It goes so far but then has trouble locating a few RPMs from the mirrors:

ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/fedora/core/updates/5/i386/RPMS/libselinux-1.30.3-4.fc5.i386.rpm:
[Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 550 RPMS: No such file or
directory
Trying other mirror.
ftp://fedora.bu.edu/fedora/core/updates/5/i386/RPMS/libselinux-1.30.3-4.fc5.i386.rpm:
[Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 550 RPMS: No such file or
directory
Trying other mirror.



	
FC4 -> FC5 upgrade, yum not finding RPMs
I'm doing an upgrade from FC4 to FC5 and when I do

yum install kernel

It goes so far but then has trouble locating a few RPMs from the mirrors:

Code:

ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/fedora/core/updates/5/i386/RPMS/libselinux-1.30.3-4.fc5.i386.rpm:
[Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 550 RPMS: No such file or
directory Trying other mirror.
ftp://fedora.bu.edu/fedora/core/updates/5/i386/RPMS/libselinux-1.30.3-4.fc5.i386.rpm:
[Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 550 RPMS: No such file or
directory Trying other mirror.



It seems like somehow it's looking in the wrong spot because checking
the mirrors, if I remove the RPMS folder, the RPM is there.

This is my fedora-updates.repo file:

[updates]
name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates
baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$releasever/$basearch/
mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/updates-released-fc$releasever
enabled=1
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora

[updates-debuginfo]
name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates - Debug
baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$releasever/$basearch/debug/
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora

[updates-source]
name=Fedora Core $releasever - Updates Source
baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$releasever/SRPMS/
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora



Any Fedora veterans have any advice?  So far all I've heard is
crickets at fedoraforum.org.


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Thu Mar  8 22:11:43 2007
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:11:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Install Fest Question
Message-ID: <2007030904114370024a9b8e@mail.smumn.edu>

I been reading the recent posts of people wanting to have an install fest and decided to ask my employer. For the majority of people who don't want to travel far from the Cities I think it may be an ideal location but, I want to get your input on this first. The location will be held in the Merrill Corporation building off Snelling and Energy Park Dr. For me its about a 20 minute drive from E. Bloomington

So far, I have only brought it up within my immediate boss, yet I have to climb the ropes one more level before I get the real approval. Here is the catch, I have to provide a head count and times which we would occupy the building. I know last time we held the install fest was at a school/church and it started and ended at a good time. My boss asked if they needed to provide any drinks or food but knowing his cheap a** I know this will not fly, therefore am willing to throw in a few bucks for this. I did bring this up with a couple of guys in the good ol Unix team and it appears I might get some back up if I get the ok to take it to the main boss.

Anyone have any input, ideas, or suggestions, I would really like to get together here soon.

Cheers!

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 08:45:47 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Install Fest Question
In-Reply-To: <2007030904114370024a9b8e@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <2007030904114370024a9b8e@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703090645w170d60dewa6689c4ca9696f0c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, SDALAN04 at smumn.edu <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote:
> I been reading the recent posts of people wanting to have an install fest and decided to ask my employer. For the majority of people who don't want to travel far from the Cities I think it may be an ideal location but, I want to get your input on this first. The location will be held in the Merrill Corporation building off Snelling and Energy Park Dr. For me its about a 20 minute drive from E. Bloomington
>
> So far, I have only brought it up within my immediate boss, yet I have to climb the ropes one more level before I get the real approval. Here is the catch, I have to provide a head count and times which we would occupy the building. I know last time we held the install fest was at a school/church and it started and ended at a good time. My boss asked if they needed to provide any drinks or food but knowing his cheap a** I know this will not fly, therefore am willing to throw in a few bucks for this. I did bring this up with a couple of guys in the good ol Unix team and it appears I might get some back up if I get the ok to take it to the main boss.
>
> Anyone have any input, ideas, or suggestions, I would really like to get together here soon.
>
> Cheers!
>
> "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein
>
> "Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"

Hello,

Myself and some other volunteers have been working on this exact
endeavor including a meeting for next month. So far it looks like the
next meeting and installfest will be at the U of M (that is unless
someone beats us to it). We've put in all the requests for the rooms
and we're just waiting on final approval.

We'd love to have you participate in the planning and implementation
process with us so we can combine efforts. Let us know if you're
interested in joining the group. The group started as a result of
Clay's request for volunteers in case you're wondering where this all
originated.

Regards,
Eric


From kcbnac at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 15:17:24 2007
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:17:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173212190.12088.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<1173212190.12088.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <32fd45370703111317w2e7ad88bw334d51e53bd14e1d@mail.gmail.com>

I'll bet it might be the wireless connection...especially if its a
"consumer-grade" router.  They sometimes hiccup every so often, and this
could be seen as a brief lag-spike.  Try wired if you can - *that might* fix
it.

On 3/6/07, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>
> I am going over the net at large - no VPN tunnel or anything.  High
> speed wireless connection.  But, it sounds like Larry was having the
> same experiences I am having.
>
> Anyone use something else out there to go direct into a PC box that has
> better success?
>
> Randy
>
> ps I am still interested in what might be causing my issues.
>
> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 14:07 -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> > > Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than
> others.  This
> > > can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
> > > latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me
> this
> > > many issues.
> >
> > Weird. Are you going over the 'net at large, or a tunnel of some sort?
> >
> > I do this on a fairly regular basis to my VMware session running XP at
> > work, over a VPN link, and have no issues.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
> > |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Sun Mar 11 16:50:54 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:50:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>


I realize this is a Linux board, but this is pretty closely related and 
perhaps others are interested.

Has anyone received a free copy of Solaris 10 offered by Sun (no DVD or 
shipping charge)?  I ordered mine quite some time ago.  I didn't record 
the date as I expected the DVD within ten days or so.  But after several 
weeks, I contacted Sun on 02/09/07 and quickly received the following reply:

    "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
      

ASAP means when?  I'd be interested if anyone has received theirs.  Perhaps my order has been lost.


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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 17:30:42 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:30:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 rhubarbpie at poetworld.net wrote:

> I realize this is a Linux board, but this is pretty closely related and 
> perhaps others are interested.
>
> Has anyone received a free copy of Solaris 10 offered by Sun (no DVD or 
> shipping charge)?  I ordered mine quite some time ago.  I didn't record 
> the date as I expected the DVD within ten days or so.  But after several 
> weeks, I contacted Sun on 02/09/07 and quickly received the following 
> reply:
>
>   "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new 
> orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
>
>     ASAP means when?  I'd be interested if anyone has received theirs. 
> Perhaps my order has been lost.


All I know is that I ordered one on January 15 and I haven't heard a word.

Mike


From tmarble at info9.net  Sun Mar 11 17:56:21 2007
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:56:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re:  (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <45F48915.6060108@info9.net>

Mike Miller wrote:
>> Has anyone received a free copy of Solaris 10 offered by Sun [....]
>>   "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new 
>> orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
>>
> 
> All I know is that I ordered one on January 15 and I haven't heard a word.

If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
(I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).

Regards,

--Tom


From thecubic at thecubic.net  Sun Mar 11 18:12:02 2007
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200703111812.05602.thecubic@thecubic.net>

> >   "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new
> > orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."

Maybe they didn't want to ship with the in.telnetd vulnerability once they 
found out about it: 

http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102802-1

-Dave
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From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Sun Mar 11 20:55:01 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:55:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Solaris 10 DVD status
Message-ID: <45F4B2F5.6030306@poetworld.net>


I'm starting this fresh as I forgot to include a subject with my 
original post.

I appreciate everyone's responding.  At least I'm not alone in the 
boat.  I believe/hope order status can be found at solarisdvd at sun.com.  
I've sent an inquiry about my order.

If I receive an adequate reply I'll post such.



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 20:32:08 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:32:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200703111808.01832.thecubic@thecubic.net>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<200703111808.01832.thecubic@thecubic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111928050.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Dave Carlson wrote:

>>> "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new 
>>> orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
>
> Maybe they didn't want to ship with the in.telnetd vulnerability once 
> they found out about it:
>
> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102802-1

Thanks for sharing that.  I shut down telnet altogether about 8 years ago 
and before that I was using tcp-wrappers to block access from most IPs. 
It's just too insecure of a protocol even without a "vulnerability" in it.

I also do not allow root logins.  Some people think I'm totally crazy to 
be so restrictive, but I think typing "su" and a password is a very small 
price to pay for the added security -- if someone finds a vulnerability in 
my SSH daemon, I will have that extra layer of protection between when the 
script kiddies find out about it and when I find out about it, and I want 
that.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Mar 11 20:34:04 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:34:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re:  (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <45F48915.6060108@info9.net>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Tom Marble wrote:

> Mike Miller wrote:
>>> Has anyone received a free copy of Solaris 10 offered by Sun [....]
>>>   "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new
>>> orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
>>>
>>
>> All I know is that I ordered one on January 15 and I haven't heard a word.
>
> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).


I have to agree with the last thing you typed there.  If they still aren't 
shipping individual orders placed in January, I kinda doubt they'll send 
you a boxful!  ;-)

Mike


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Sun Mar 11 21:33:31 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:33:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re:  (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Tom Marble wrote:
>> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
>> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
>> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
>> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).
>
> I have to agree with the last thing you typed there.  If they still aren't
> shipping individual orders placed in January, I kinda doubt they'll send
> you a boxful!  ;-)

  It might be worth noting that Tom wasn't posting from his work email 
address.  Our supply issues aren't necessarily his supply issues.

      Jima


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 12 01:40:30 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:40:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re:  (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703120039560.10746@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jima wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Tom Marble wrote:
>>> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
>>> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
>>> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
>>> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).
>> 
>> I have to agree with the last thing you typed there.  If they still aren't
>> shipping individual orders placed in January, I kinda doubt they'll send
>> you a boxful!  ;-)
>
> It might be worth noting that Tom wasn't posting from his work email 
> address.  Our supply issues aren't necessarily his supply issues.

Are you saying that he works for Sun?  If so, I get your point.

Mike


From tclug-list at scotjenkins.com  Mon Mar 12 10:12:42 2007
From: tclug-list at scotjenkins.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:12:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Solaris 10 DVD status
In-Reply-To: <45F4B2F5.6030306@poetworld.net>
References: <45F4B2F5.6030306@poetworld.net>
Message-ID: <1173712362.45f56dea1542d@webmail.pajunas.net>

Quoting rhubarbpie at poetworld.net:

> I'm starting this fresh as I forgot to include a subject with my
> original post.
>
> I appreciate everyone's responding.  At least I'm not alone in the
> boat.  I believe/hope order status can be found at solarisdvd at sun.com.
> I've sent an inquiry about my order.

I ordered the Solaris 10 DVD set about Dec 15, 2006.  I received nothing except
the email stating my order was to be processed in 10 days.  I reordered in
mid-February and again nothing.  I emailed solarisdvd at sun.com the beginning of
March and got a message back saying they were back logged.  Last week I finally
received my copy in the mail.  I would email them to check the status of your
order.

Scot





From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 10:36:52 2007
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:36:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re: (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703120039560.10746@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703120039560.10746@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <914f813c0703120836u29615650x509f7d4b7b4316b5@mail.gmail.com>

> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Tom Marble wrote:
> >>> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
> >>> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
> >>> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
> >>> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).
> > It might be worth noting that Tom wasn't posting from his work email
> > address.  Our supply issues aren't necessarily his supply issues.

Unless I'm missing something, isn't this download-able?
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/


From tmarble at info9.net  Tue Mar 13 06:30:13 2007
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:30:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re: (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0703120836u29615650x509f7d4b7b4316b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703120039560.10746@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<914f813c0703120836u29615650x509f7d4b7b4316b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F68B45.8060709@info9.net>

John T. Hoffoss wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Tom Marble wrote:
>>>>> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
>>>>> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
>>>>> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
>>>>> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).
>>> It might be worth noting that Tom wasn't posting from his work email
>>> address.  Our supply issues aren't necessarily his supply issues.
I didn't post from my work address because that address
is not subscribed to this list.
And, yes, I do work for Sun :)

> Unless I'm missing something, isn't this download-able?
> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/
Yes, where "this" is a build of OpenSolaris (!= Solaris 10).
I did find out that orders are being taken for the
"OpenSolaris Starter Kit." at http://get.opensolaris.org/
(Which includes Solaris Express and other goodies).

I also found out...
"Solaris 10 media kit was quite backlogged, but they are starting to
work through the log jam now."
And, yes, Solaris 10 is downloadable from here:
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp

I will receive a bunch of OpenSolaris Starter Kit's and
I put in a order for Solaris 10 DVD's (no word yet).

If you are a Solaris enthusiast allow me recommend that
you register at:
  https://www.opensolaris.org/register.jspa

HTH,

--Tom


From bhartm at visi.com  Tue Mar 13 07:00:12 2007
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:00:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re: (no subject)]
In-Reply-To: <45F68B45.8060709@info9.net>
References: <45F479BE.2020806@poetworld.net>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111630040.4955@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<45F48915.6060108@info9.net>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703111933000.25276@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703112032080.7527@beer.tclug.org>	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703120039560.10746@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	<914f813c0703120836u29615650x509f7d4b7b4316b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F68B45.8060709@info9.net>
Message-ID: <45F6924C.1030708@visi.com>


free breakfast rocks.


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Tue Mar 13 23:21:16 2007
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:21:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: PCMCIA  Etherjet + Gentoo = :(
Message-ID: <20070314042116853b43ed73@mail.smumn.edu>

Good One:

I just currently loaded Gentoo on an older Toshiba 1805-S203 laptop and got it installed wonderfully. For except the PCMCIA card fails to load. Its been probably about a week now and all my research and google searches have not solved my problem, yet its been a great learning opportunity and feel as though I can breeze through any kernel configuration. The main reason for this post is to ask if there is anyone here that has a relatively cheap Pcmcia-ethernet (dongle or non) card for sale. My current card came from school which is a 32 bit IBM 10/100 Etherjet that utilizes the Xircom 16 bit drivers. Apparently, this is a troublesome card, not to mention the bus drivers for this particular brand of laptop. I would really like to get something working soon thus this will be my main system at home for sometime until I can gather the experience to find the courage to look for a better paying job.

If anyone around St Paul (Snelling/University) or Bloomington have a card know to work in a 2.6 system please hit me up!

Cheers! 


"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From klieber at gentoo.org  Wed Mar 14 06:37:01 2007
From: klieber at gentoo.org (Kurt Lieber)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:37:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: PCMCIA Etherjet + Gentoo = :(
In-Reply-To: <20070314042116853b43ed73@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <20070314042116853b43ed73@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <82d43d110703140437t4a63616bh943db8ac9b9f7e60@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/07, SDALAN04 at smumn.edu <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote:
> I just currently loaded Gentoo on an older Toshiba 1805-S203 laptop and got it installed wonderfully. For except the PCMCIA card fails to load.

Have you checked the Gentoo forums?  There are a couple of links that
look pertinent:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-320678-highlight-etherjet+xircom.html
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-564-highlight-etherjet+xircom.html

Also, if you boot to a Knoppix CD, does the card work there?

--kurt


From todd3091 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 07:13:20 2007
From: todd3091 at gmail.com (Todd Gardner)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:13:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <32fd45370703111317w2e7ad88bw334d51e53bd14e1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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IMHO, RDP is a terrible protocol, especially for over links with higher
latency.  I have run into a lot of issues with sluggishness and delay in an
RDP session.  When I know that I am going to be connecting frequently to a
machine over a slow link, I usually deploy VNC or Remote Administrator (
http://www.radmin.com).  Those two mechanisms work much better over the slow
link.

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From shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com  Mon Mar 12 08:34:56 2007
From: shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:34:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OpenSolaris DVD's [was Re:  (no subject)]
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Tom Marble wrote:
> Mike Miller wrote:
>   
>>> Has anyone received a free copy of Solaris 10 offered by Sun [....]
>>>   "Due to overwhelming demand we are in the process of placing new 
>>> orders with our suppliers. Your order will be filled ASAP."
>>>
>>>       
>> All I know is that I ordered one on January 15 and I haven't heard a word.
>>     
>
>   

Actually, mine showed up in my mailbox last week.

So there's hope.
> If there others who would be interested in a Solaris 10 and/or
> OpenSolaris DVD here locally?  If so I'd be glad to see if I can order
> a bunch in bulk and bring them to the next TCLUG meeting.
> (I may run into the same supply issues, but it's worth asking).
>
> Regards,
>
> --Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
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From admin at lctn.org  Thu Mar 15 12:32:26 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:32:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
Message-ID: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>

I have a box set up that utilizes what is referred to as a "wre" (WebGui
runtime environment). The wre folder contains its own install of apache,
perl, and mysql. Everything webgui needs to run is in this folder. Its a
great solution, but does not use php, which I need for Gallery 2. I have
php5 installed. The path is "/usr/bin/php".

I created an alias to gallery, which works fine, but pphp pages display as
text. Outside of adding index.php to documents served up, what can I add
to httpd.conf, so it will find my php install?


Raymond

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 12:52:07 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:52:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
In-Reply-To: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/07, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> I have a box set up that utilizes what is referred to as a "wre" (WebGui
> runtime environment). The wre folder contains its own install of apache,
> perl, and mysql. Everything webgui needs to run is in this folder. Its a
> great solution, but does not use php, which I need for Gallery 2. I have
> php5 installed. The path is "/usr/bin/php".
>
> I created an alias to gallery, which works fine, but pphp pages display as
> text. Outside of adding index.php to documents served up, what can I add
> to httpd.conf, so it will find my php install?
>
>
> Raymond

It sounds like you need to install the apache module for php. After
intalling the php module you need to include a line similar to this in
your apache config:

LoadModule php_module /path/to/php/module.so

You'll also need to add a line similar to this to your apache config file:

<IfModule mod_php.c>
  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>

A lot of this depends on the distribution you have and the path to the
module. Hopefully your package manager will do most of this for you.
In Debian the package you would need for Apache2 is
libapache2-mod-php5.

I'm assuming your running 2.x.x version of apache. If it's a version
1.x.x, the settings may be different. I haven't looked at php and
apache 1 in a long time.

It would help if we knew the version of Apache and the Linux
distrobution you're using.

Eric


From admin at lctn.org  Thu Mar 15 13:39:54 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:39:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org><579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36494.167.177.37.193.1173983994.squirrel@lctn.org>

> A lot of this depends on the distribution you have and the path to the
module. Hopefully your package manager will do most of this for you. In
Debian the package you would need for Apache2 is
> libapache2-mod-php5.
>
> I'm assuming your running 2.x.x version of apache. If it's a version
1.x.x, the settings may be different. I haven't looked at php and apache
1 in a long time.
>
> It would help if we knew the version of Apache and the Linux
> distrobution you're using.

I am using Ubuntu, but that has no barring on Apache when it comes to this
box, since with the "wre" everything is self contained. However it is
running Apache2.

I used apt-get install php5, and saw that it installed
libapache2-mod-php5. After the install an information screen came up
saying it had disabled Apache because the wre was using port 80, which is
fine in this case.


I doubt there is anything in the apache config that was set to call on
php, since WebGUI does not use it.




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From josh at tcbug.org  Thu Mar 15 17:54:44 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:54:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
In-Reply-To: <36494.167.177.37.193.1173983994.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<36494.167.177.37.193.1173983994.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <200703151754.44183.josh@tcbug.org>

On Thursday 15 March 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> > A lot of this depends on the distribution you have and the path
> > to the
>
> module. Hopefully your package manager will do most of this for
> you. In Debian the package you would need for Apache2 is
>
> > libapache2-mod-php5.
> >
> > I'm assuming your running 2.x.x version of apache. If it's a
> > version
>
> 1.x.x, the settings may be different. I haven't looked at php and
> apache 1 in a long time.
>
> > It would help if we knew the version of Apache and the Linux
> > distrobution you're using.
>
> I am using Ubuntu, but that has no barring on Apache when it comes
> to this box, since with the "wre" everything is self contained.
> However it is running Apache2.
>
> I used apt-get install php5, and saw that it installed
> libapache2-mod-php5. After the install an information screen came
> up saying it had disabled Apache because the wre was using port 80,
> which is fine in this case.
>
>
> I doubt there is anything in the apache config that was set to call
> on php, since WebGUI does not use it.

You asked what needed to be added to your httpd.conf and he told 
you...did you try adding it yet?

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 18:57:42 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:57:42 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: PCMCIA Etherjet + Gentoo = :(
In-Reply-To: <20070314042116853b43ed73@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <20070314042116853b43ed73@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020703151657p5370ba93hc7886e08a7dfa932@mail.gmail.com>

> If anyone around St Paul (Snelling/University) or Bloomington have a card know to work in a 2.6 system please hit me up!

I've got a couple 3com cards and a Linksys card around. I might be
able to find a single dongle for the 3com. Not sure on the Linksys...
They worked fine in 2.2 kernels, so I would assume they work in 2.6.
;-)

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From bhartm at visi.com  Thu Mar 15 22:33:20 2007
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:33:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
Message-ID: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>


Quickie question: 
Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order from newegg? 

I tried to ask newegg on their chat thingy and they told me to hit up 
ask.amd.com.   AMD lists 2 compatible units, but I don't read kanji or 
Malay or whatever that was that my firefox couldn't render.  I could 
drive to Tran and ask this simple question and even get the item.
MicroCenter has become more "doohood" than mf Guitar Center.  Pony 
tailed wankers.  (nothing against long hair, just wankers)  I'm goin' 
for a walk. 


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 15 22:31:56 2007
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:31:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
In-Reply-To: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>
References: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152230050.20067@Rooster>


> Quickie question:
> Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order from newegg?

Every CPU I've bought from newegg did come with a cooling unit, including 
the AMD X2 I have now. But they all also said that the retail or OEM 
package includes a fan/heatsink. If you're buying a PACKAGE, you're 
probably OK. If you're buying a barebones CPU, then maybe not.

-Yaron

--


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Mar 15 22:40:31 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:40:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
In-Reply-To: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>
References: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>
Message-ID: <20070316034031.GQ8040@iucha.net>

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:33:20PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
> Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order from newegg? 

Almost(*) all "retail" processors include coolers and come with 3 year
warranty.

Almost(*) all "OEM" processors do not include coolers and come with 30
days to 1 year warranty.

Besides labeling, Newegg usually shows the picture of a boxed CPU for
retail and a bare CPU top for OEM.

florin

(*) I never encountered a counterexample but one cannot be sure.

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From bhartm at visi.com  Thu Mar 15 22:58:43 2007
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:58:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
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I'm ordering case, mobo, CPU, RAM, etc. individually.  I'm not sure I 
understand your answer.  I'm not sure they understood my question either..

Yaron wrote:
>> Quickie question:
>> Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order from newegg?
>>     
>
> Every CPU I've bought from newegg did come with a cooling unit, including 
> the AMD X2 I have now. But they all also said that the retail or OEM 
> package includes a fan/heatsink. If you're buying a PACKAGE, you're 
> probably OK. If you're buying a barebones CPU, then maybe not.
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From bhartm at visi.com  Thu Mar 15 23:07:41 2007
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:07:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
In-Reply-To: <12f48e800703152059t97b2e6fne702ee2dd18ec6ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>	
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YES!  that's the difference.  Yaron and Florin said it too.  Now I get 
it.  OEM vs. Retail. 
Thank you all.   I still hate Guitar Center.  What time is it?  Are we 
on Mountain, now?
Later.

Kyle Quamme wrote:
> Bob-
> Yes, they do usually include the CPU cooling fan, but you MUST make 
> sure that you buy a processor labeled RETAIL on the site and not OEM. 
> Newegg carries both and the OEM are marked cheaper but don't include 
> the fan and full warranty, so make sure you're buying a RETAIL CPU 
> unless you plan on buying your own cooling fan separate and don't care 
> about warranty.
>
> Kyle
>
> On 3/15/07, *Bob Hartmann* <bhartm at visi.com <mailto:bhartm at visi.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>
>     I'm ordering case, mobo, CPU, RAM, etc. individually.  I'm not sure I
>     understand your answer.  I'm not sure they understood my question
>     either..
>
>     Yaron wrote:
>     >> Quickie question:
>     >> Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order
>     from newegg?
>     >>
>     >
>     > Every CPU I've bought from newegg did come with a cooling unit,
>     including
>     > the AMD X2 I have now. But they all also said that the retail or OEM
>     > package includes a fan/heatsink. If you're buying a PACKAGE, you're
>     > probably OK. If you're buying a barebones CPU, then maybe not.
>     >
>     > -Yaron
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
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>     > tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>     >
>     >
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Mar 15 23:26:08 2007
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:26:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
In-Reply-To: <45FA180D.5010001@visi.com>
References: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152230050.20067@Rooster>
	<45FA15F3.7050205@visi.com>
	<12f48e800703152059t97b2e6fne702ee2dd18ec6ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<45FA180D.5010001@visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152323590.20067@Rooster>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Bob Hartmann wrote:

> Thank you all.   I still hate Guitar Center.

I /highly/ recommend against buying CPUs from them.


-Yaron

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From bhartm at visi.com  Thu Mar 15 23:40:07 2007
From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:40:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152323590.20067@Rooster>
References: <45FA1000.8090301@visi.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152230050.20067@Rooster>	<45FA15F3.7050205@visi.com>	<12f48e800703152059t97b2e6fne702ee2dd18ec6ff@mail.gmail.com>	<45FA180D.5010001@visi.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703152323590.20067@Rooster>
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Conga percussion units?  They're usually well built.  Nice legs, too.

Seriously, I should have spotted that OEM thing.  I was going off a list 
of stuff someone sent me.  I worked for an "integrator" in the mid 
nineties.  No, not Northgate, but...


Yaron wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>
>   
>> Thank you all.   I still hate Guitar Center.
>>     
>
> I /highly/ recommend against buying CPUs from them.
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Fri Mar 16 02:47:40 2007
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:47:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
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Retail and OEM chips have different part numbers. The one at newegg 
(ADX6000CZBOX) is retail, look for "BOX" at the end of the part number for 
AMD chips. I strongly recommend buying the retail, as it also comes with a 
fan. If you need to RMA the CPU they require the serial number off of the 
fan, not the chip. Even though an OEM has a 30 day warranty, it is generally 
very difficult to RMA these. Most resellers immediately redirect you to the 
manufacturer who will issue an RMA at their discretion. If you attempt an 
RMA as a home user they will generally not give it as OEM chips are 
intended, at least their desire, to be sold through VARs who will provide 
their own warranty.

Sean Waite





-----Original Message-----

From: Bob Hartmann <bhartm at visi.com>

To: 

Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>

Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:40:07 -0600

Subject: Re: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor




Conga percussion units?  They're usually well built.  Nice legs, too.



Seriously, I should have spotted that OEM thing.  I was going off a list 

of stuff someone sent me.  I worked for an "integrator" in the mid 

nineties.  No, not Northgate, but...





Yaron wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Bob Hartmann wrote:

>

>   

>> Thank you all.   I still hate Guitar Center.

>>     

>

> I /highly/ recommend against buying CPUs from them.

>

>

> -Yaron

>

> --

>

> _______________________________________________

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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org

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[http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list]

>

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From dean at ripperd.com  Fri Mar 16 08:21:34 2007
From: dean at ripperd.com (Dean E)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:21:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor
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Message-ID: <45FA99DE.3070103@ripperd.com>

Florin Iucha wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:33:20PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>> Do processors typically include a cooling unit when you order from newegg? 
> 
> Almost(*) all "retail" processors include coolers and come with 3 year
> warranty.
> 
> Almost(*) all "OEM" processors do not include coolers and come with 30
> days to 1 year warranty.
> 
> Besides labeling, Newegg usually shows the picture of a boxed CPU for
> retail and a bare CPU top for OEM.
> 
> florin
> 
> (*) I never encountered a counterexample but one cannot be sure.

For your counter-example...

Some socket F (1207) opterons come in a retail box WITHOUT the HSF, but 
the boxes are marked as such.  This is for people that are going to toss 
the stock fan anyway such as when using the processor in a 1U or 2U 
rackmount where the stock fan will not work well or at all.

-Dean


From admin at lctn.org  Fri Mar 16 10:09:40 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:09:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
In-Reply-To: <200703151754.44183.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<36494.167.177.37.193.1173983994.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<200703151754.44183.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <4898.64.8.148.4.1174057780.squirrel@lctn.org>

I have it so at least php is being utilized, but am getting some errors
specific to php.

To get php to connect to the wre install of apache I added the following
to my webgui domain config:

LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
<IfModule mod_php4.c>
 AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
#  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>


Now I get php pages to display properly, but am getting the following
errors when attempting to set gallery up.

Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in
/data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class on line 58

Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cookie - headers already
sent by (output started at
/data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class:58) in
/data/gallery2/install/index.php on line 404

Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cache limiter - headers
already sent (output started at
/data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class:58) in
/data/gallery2/install/index.php on line 404


I googled around a bit, and it seemed I needed to statically set the
session.saved path, but I am still getting the error.


I will ask about this on a php group, unless someone knows a quick answer
to this here.

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From brockn at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 13:33:53 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:33:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting to php
In-Reply-To: <4898.64.8.148.4.1174057780.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <1698.206.59.109.234.1173979946.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<579c6fd30703151052m5afcc6a9ke05a2ee0b1d8d5fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<36494.167.177.37.193.1173983994.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<200703151754.44183.josh@tcbug.org>
	<4898.64.8.148.4.1174057780.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80703161133t6b444cb7j25fe6f9d04df20e7@mail.gmail.com>

Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in
/data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class on line 58

Your problem has to do with this portion of the error, not the session
parts.

My guess is that there include problems here.  Without knowing terribly much
about C, it probably cannot find the pcre header files or someother header
file.  Maybe even another shared object, .so.

Brock


On 3/16/07, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>
> I have it so at least php is being utilized, but am getting some errors
> specific to php.
>
> To get php to connect to the wre install of apache I added the following
> to my webgui domain config:
>
> LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
> <IfModule mod_php4.c>
> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> #  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
> </IfModule>
>
>
> Now I get php pages to display properly, but am getting the following
> errors when attempting to set gallery up.
>
> Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in
> /data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class on line 58
>
> Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cookie - headers already
> sent by (output started at
> /data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class:58) in
> /data/gallery2/install/index.php on line 404
>
> Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cache limiter - headers
> already sent (output started at
> /data/gallery2/install/steps/AuthenticateStep.class:58) in
> /data/gallery2/install/index.php on line 404
>
>
> I googled around a bit, and it seemed I needed to statically set the
> session.saved path, but I am still getting the error.
>
>
> I will ask about this on a php group, unless someone knows a quick answer
> to this here.
>
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From kcbnac at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 05:02:52 2007
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:02:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest prep? (Mirror?)
Message-ID: <32fd45370703170302j61135646h5636142d1e245a71@mail.gmail.com>

So I just got this handy dandy box set up downstairs, with Jima's help
running Xen.  I'll be adding a drive or three, as when we got it it only
came with a pair of 36GB SATA drives (Raptors, I think)

But I'll be adding 250GB+ of storage space to it, and can run multiple VMs
on it - and I can tote it along to the next install fest(s) and set it up as
a mirror for whatever - I can easily get Fedora, and am interested in
pulling down Ubuntu, but am open to others.  Particularly if one is needed
for a distro for the next 'fest, but the mirror can't make it - I can set it
up ahead of time, either pulling from another or having someone nearby copy
theirs to it before the event.

Oh, its a dual-quad-core Xeon, with 8GB of FBDIMMs, for anyone wondering.
Dual gigabit ports on the back, and I have an 8-port gig-e switch to put to
use as a backbone for the network. (Assuming better isn't also available)

So when's that installfest planned for? :D

Keith
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From sraun at fireopal.org  Sun Mar 18 11:10:01 2007
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:10:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO newsreader recommendation
Message-ID: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org>

I've decided I'm in search of newsreader.  I'm probably NOT going to
step into Usenet quite yet, but I do have at least one site that I
want to try using NNTP and a news reader instead of their web
interface.

Requirements:
Text mode
preferably a Debian Stable package
talks NNTP, as opposed to requiring a local news spool

Threading would be nice.

What would you recommend, and why?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From tclug-list at scotjenkins.com  Sun Mar 18 13:18:20 2007
From: tclug-list at scotjenkins.com (Scot Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:18:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO newsreader recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org>
References: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <1174241900.45fd826cd49df@webmail.pajunas.net>

Quoting Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org>:

> I've decided I'm in search of newsreader.  I'm probably NOT going to
> step into Usenet quite yet, but I do have at least one site that I
> want to try using NNTP and a news reader instead of their web
> interface.
>
> Requirements:
> Text mode
> preferably a Debian Stable package
> talks NNTP, as opposed to requiring a local news spool
> Threading would be nice.
> What would you recommend, and why?

tin meets all your requirements.  It's tried and true, has support for ANSI
colors too.
http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/tin




From brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 20:06:52 2007
From: brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:06:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO newsreader recommendation
In-Reply-To: <1174241900.45fd826cd49df@webmail.pajunas.net>
References: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org>
	<1174241900.45fd826cd49df@webmail.pajunas.net>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480703181806q3be787dbt377d0e6587370fab@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/18/07, Scot Jenkins <tclug-list at scotjenkins.com> wrote:
> tin meets all your requirements.  It's tried and true, has support for ANSI
> colors too.
> http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/tin

I second the suggestion of tin. Excellent package.

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman


From chewie at wookimus.net  Mon Mar 19 11:48:40 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:48:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISO newsreader recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org> 
References: <20070318161000.GA14752@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20070319164840.5D7C46EF0@skuld.wookimus.net>

Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org>  wrote:
> Text mode
> preferably a Debian Stable package
> talks NNTP, as opposed to requiring a local news spool
> 
> Threading would be nice.
> 
> What would you recommend, and why?

Gnus Network User Services
http://gnus.org/

"Gnus is a message-reading laboratory. It will let you look at just
about anything as if it were a newsgroup.  You can read mail with it,
you can browse directories with it, you can ftp with it -- you can
even read news with it!"

This is an emacs mode that is probably one of the most powerful and
versatile message readers of all time. ;-)  I don't use it, because
I'm cursed with vi-fingers, though I'm working on changing that.
(Emacs in viper mode for editing).  In any case, it does NNTP, IMAP,
and understands most (all?) of your local mailbox formats.
-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Mon Mar 19 16:39:43 2007
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:39:43 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Install Fest Question
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30703090645w170d60dewa6689c4ca9696f0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2007030904114370024a9b8e@mail.smumn.edu>
	<579c6fd30703090645w170d60dewa6689c4ca9696f0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45FF031F.5010202@mchsi.com>

Eric Peterson wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Myself and some other volunteers have been working on this exact
> endeavor including a meeting for next month. So far it looks like the
> next meeting and installfest will be at the U of M (that is unless
> someone beats us to it). We've put in all the requests for the rooms
> and we're just waiting on final approval.
>
> We'd love to have you participate in the planning and implementation
> process with us so we can combine efforts. Let us know if you're
> interested in joining the group. The group started as a result of
> Clay's request for volunteers in case you're wondering where this all
> originated.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>   
Yay! A meeting and installfest! I am happy to finally have a meeting on 
schedule, it's been a while. :)

yay!

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx


From droe at real-time.com  Tue Mar 20 10:03:42 2007
From: droe at real-time.com (Dave Roe)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:03:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web-based presentation software
Message-ID: <20070320150342.GA24002@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>

Does anyone have recommendations for web-based presentation software that'll
run on linux?  The W3C apparently recommends[1] Slidy, but also mentions
Eric Meyer's S5 and Slidemaker/slideme.  


  1. http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/
-- 
Dave Roe		droe at real-time.com



From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 11:35:16 2007
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:35:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: summer of code
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570703200935w1a11eef8h25e8389a5079343d@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anybody on this list at the U of M (or other local colleges /
universities) that would be interested in printing out a few of these
flyers and hanging them up around campus?
http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007/Poster

I know it's getting a little close to the registration deadline, but
there's still a couple days.
-- 
Jonathon Jongsma


From brian at ropers-huilman.net  Tue Mar 20 12:44:17 2007
From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:44:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: summer of code
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb570703200935w1a11eef8h25e8389a5079343d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee2fcb570703200935w1a11eef8h25e8389a5079343d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480703201044i5d77b24fledb1b41a857b1eec@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at the U and will get as many out as I can.

On 3/20/07, Jonathon Jongsma <jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there anybody on this list at the U of M (or other local colleges /
> universities) that would be interested in printing out a few of these
> flyers and hanging them up around campus?
> http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007/Poster
>
> I know it's getting a little close to the registration deadline, but
> there's still a couple days.
> --
> Jonathon Jongsma

-- 
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Systems Administration and Technical Operations    <bropers at msi.umn.edu>
Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation
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117 Pleasant Street S.E.                             +1 612-624-8861 (F)
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From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Tue Mar 20 15:57:46 2007
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:57:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
Message-ID: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>

Hi,

I have a machine running CentOS 4.4. Pretty much a stock server install; I've done my usual checklist of things to turn off (isdn, portmap, nfs stuff, etc).

Almost all the log files (including old rotated logs) in /var/log are empty or nearly empty.

syslogd is running; 'logger teststring' produces an entry in /var/log/messages

Upon system restart, there are a few lines in /var/log/messages, but nothing like what I'd expect. Remote logins are not being logged.

My gut reaction to something like this is always "oh s***, it's been compromised", but I was wondering if anyone had any other possible explanations...

I can provide more info if needed.

Thanks
-- 
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Mar 20 17:16:04 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:16:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
In-Reply-To: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <1174428964.13698.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>


I hope someone answers this ... as I have the same issue on a RH 7.3
server system.  I know the firewall is working as port forwarding that I
have set up in iptables is working just fine to machines behind the
firewall ... but ... NOTHING in the logs to speak of ... 

sorry I can not answer the question ... but you are not alone.

Randy

On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 15:57 -0500, Steve Linabery wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a machine running CentOS 4.4. Pretty much a stock server install; I've done my usual checklist of things to turn off (isdn, portmap, nfs stuff, etc).
> 
> Almost all the log files (including old rotated logs) in /var/log are empty or nearly empty.
> 
> syslogd is running; 'logger teststring' produces an entry in /var/log/messages
> 
> Upon system restart, there are a few lines in /var/log/messages, but nothing like what I'd expect. Remote logins are not being logged.
> 
> My gut reaction to something like this is always "oh s***, it's been compromised", but I was wondering if anyone had any other possible explanations...
> 
> I can provide more info if needed.
> 
> Thanks



From sfertch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 19:08:29 2007
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:08:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
In-Reply-To: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0703201708w3f0d741di56bca62352178022@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/20/07, Steve Linabery <slinabery at worldcycling.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a machine running CentOS 4.4. Pretty much a stock server install; I've done my usual checklist of things to turn off (isdn, portmap, nfs stuff, etc).
>
> Almost all the log files (including old rotated logs) in /var/log are empty or nearly empty.
>
> syslogd is running; 'logger teststring' produces an entry in /var/log/messages
>
> Upon system restart, there are a few lines in /var/log/messages, but nothing like what I'd expect. Remote logins are not being logged.
>
> My gut reaction to something like this is always "oh s***, it's been compromised", but I was wondering if anyone had any other possible explanations...

Hopefully you've been keeping your system updated so as to minimize
risks.  As to additional logging, you'll need to modify your
/etc/syslog.conf for what you want to log as well as the level of
verbosity.  I haven't looked into a CentOS syslog.conf file, but I
believe they turn down verbosity so as to keep logfiles from filling
up.

I believe it's authlog you want to enable to log remote users, but
don't recall offhand.
-- 
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..


From jack at jacku.com  Tue Mar 20 23:06:48 2007
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web-based presentation software
In-Reply-To: <20070320150342.GA24002@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
References: <20070320150342.GA24002@droe-rt-dsl.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200703202306.49193.jack@jacku.com>

On Tuesday 20 March 2007 10:03 am, Dave Roe wrote:
> Does anyone have recommendations for web-based presentation software
> that'll run on linux?  The W3C apparently recommends[1] Slidy, but also
> mentions Eric Meyer's S5 and Slidemaker/slideme.
>
>
>   1. http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/

I've used S5 both on its own and as a Plone add-on. It worked well for me when 
I was doing some Apache training to have the slides as just another browser 
window. I've used the Plone based one for a couple of presentations and its 
worked well.

Jack

-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Mar 20 23:40:32 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:40:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
In-Reply-To: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com> 
References: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <20070321044032.D61EE75BE@skuld.wookimus.net>

For remote logging to be enabled, syslog must be started with the '-r'
(remote) option, I believe.  Check /etc/default/syslog or the
/etc/init.d/syslog scripts to make sure it's happening.  Also refer to
syslogd, syslog.conf, and klogd manpages.  Also remember that syslog
uses UDP sockets unless you're using something like syslog-ng.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
           assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */



From itwontdie at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 00:06:13 2007
From: itwontdie at gmail.com (Ryan R)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:06:13 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
In-Reply-To: <20070321044032.D61EE75BE@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
	<20070321044032.D61EE75BE@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <79758ac80703202206g7b31fc48i789a8b69b004141f@mail.gmail.com>

if you are worried about remote logins being logged you also may want
to check your sshd_config for what LogLevel is set to.
-- 
-Ryan


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Mar 21 06:06:31 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:06:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need amavis help
Message-ID: <1174475191.32005.24.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

I've setup amavis on my mail server and it's doing a good job, however I
have one problem.  My machine on my cable modem needs to be able to send
cron outputs to my mail account on the mail server.  The messages get
marked as spam because my cable modem is a dynamic IP.  How do I
configure amavis to allow all mail sent from the IP address of my cable
modem?

My current attempt is to modify score_sender_maps, but that isn't really
right as that goes by the from line, I want to check the received
headers.

Thanks.


________________________________________________________________________

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From klieber at gentoo.org  Wed Mar 21 06:20:30 2007
From: klieber at gentoo.org (Kurt Lieber)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:20:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need amavis help
In-Reply-To: <1174475191.32005.24.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1174475191.32005.24.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <82d43d110703210420q396f69bat5db278d1ecbbf820@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/07, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> How do I configure amavis to allow all mail sent from the IP address of my cable
> modem?

http://flakshack.com/anti-spam/wiki/index.php?page=Installing+and+configuring+Amavisd-new

search for 'whitelist_sender'

another option would be to configure your MTA to have all mail sent
from that IP address to bypass amavisd altogether.

--kurt


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Mar 21 07:24:16 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:24:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need amavis help
In-Reply-To: <82d43d110703210420q396f69bat5db278d1ecbbf820@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1174475191.32005.24.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
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On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 06:20 -0500, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> On 3/21/07, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> > How do I configure amavis to allow all mail sent from the IP address of my cable
> > modem?
> 
> http://flakshack.com/anti-spam/wiki/index.php?page=Installing+and+configuring+Amavisd-new
> 
> search for 'whitelist_sender'

That and not masquerading the sender from my cable modem solved it.
Thanks.

> another option would be to configure your MTA to have all mail sent
> from that IP address to bypass amavisd altogether.

That would be bad as my cable modem is also my backup MX.


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From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Wed Mar 21 10:56:06 2007
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:56:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] logging info missing
In-Reply-To: <25537185.73941174436235081.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <23508791.66321174425524241.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
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Message-ID: <25201521.104461174492568935.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 07:08:29PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote:
> On 3/20/07, Steve Linabery <slinabery at worldcycling.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a machine running CentOS 4.4. Pretty much a stock server install; I've done my usual checklist of things to turn off (isdn, portmap, nfs stuff, etc).
> >
> > Almost all the log files (including old rotated logs) in /var/log are empty or nearly empty.
> >
> > syslogd is running; 'logger teststring' produces an entry in /var/log/messages
> >
> > Upon system restart, there are a few lines in /var/log/messages, but nothing like what I'd expect. Remote logins are not being logged.
> >
> > My gut reaction to something like this is always "oh s***, it's been compromised", but I was wondering if anyone had any other possible explanations...
> 
> Hopefully you've been keeping your system updated so as to minimize
> risks.  As to additional logging, you'll need to modify your
> /etc/syslog.conf for what you want to log as well as the level of
> verbosity.  I haven't looked into a CentOS syslog.conf file, but I
> believe they turn down verbosity so as to keep logfiles from filling
> up.
> 
> I believe it's authlog you want to enable to log remote users, but
> don't recall offhand.
> -- 
> -Shawn
> 
> -Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..
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Thanks everyone for your helpful suggestions.

There's nothing wrong with the system after all.

A previous CentOS install provided lots of syslog detail by default; not sure what was different about that install, but that machine and the machine with no log data have vastly different /etc/syslog.conf files.

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From Cheryl.Hatlevig at Sun.COM  Thu Mar 22 06:03:06 2007
From: Cheryl.Hatlevig at Sun.COM (Cheryl Hatlevig)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:03:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Project Blackbox from Sun
Message-ID: <4602626A.7090903@sun.com>

If you're interested, Sun is bringing their Project Blackbox 
(www.sun.com/blackbox) to Minneapolis next week at the University of 
St.Thomas - Minneapolis campus.  A complete datacenter in a standard, 
20-foot shipping container, Project Blackbox packages computing, 
storage, and network infrastructure, along with high-efficiency power 
and cooling, into modular units based on standard shipping containers. 

More details available online for the March 27 -28 event at UST at 
https://www.suneventreg.com//cgi-bin/register.pl?EventID=1322 
<http://mi.harte-hanks.com/P/v3/r.asp?r=T1_Url7&e=65305%3B407621%3B355243542%3B3%3B02&a=1007> 

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Mar 22 09:59:12 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:59:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703221459.l2MExCI21105@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Pc for sale

I am selling a three month old computer for $ 1350. If you are intersted email me at chomboteda at yahoo.com
  Intel core 2 duo 2.4 Ghz
  1 gig of ram.
  320 gig hardrive.
  CD-RW / 16x DVD-ROM /
  EVGA GeForce 7300 GT 512MB DDR2 SLI PCI Express  DVI VGA TV Out Video Card.
  windows xp professioan included.


Seller Email address: chomboteda at yahoo dot com

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From admin at lctn.org  Thu Mar 22 14:25:14 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:25:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
Message-ID: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>

I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
so much of the CPU?


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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Mar 22 15:39:59 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:39:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
> Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
> so much of the CPU?

  Try `top`.

      Jima


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Mar 22 15:42:24 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:42:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221540460.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
> Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
> so much of the CPU?

  Oops, you already narrowed it down to httpd.  Check apache's error log? 
The access log?  Whatever it's doing, it should be logging *something*. 
Turn up the verbosity if necessary (see "LogLevel" in httpd.conf).

      Jima
    (zombie)


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar 22 16:03:01 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:03:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703221602430.4932@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4. 
> Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it 
> use so much of the CPU?

Do you have an apache process spinning out of control? IE, if you 
stop/restart Apache, does it still use that much CPU?

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Thu Mar 22 19:14:54 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:14:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703221602430.4932@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703221602430.4932@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <200703221914.55493.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Thursday 22 March 2007 16:03, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> > I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
> > Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it
> > use so much of the CPU?
>
> Do you have an apache process spinning out of control? IE, if you
> stop/restart Apache, does it still use that much CPU?
>

I have seen this behaviour recently on a RH box as well. I tracked it down to 
an IP address in some other country (can't recall which off hand) opening 
tons of connections to a site on the server. Once I blocked that IP address 
in iptables it was fine after that.

So just a thought you might check your current port 80 connections with 
something like

netstat -an | grep ":80 "

or if you want to get a tally per remote IP connected somehting like this

netstat -an | grep ":80 " | awk '{ print $5 }' | sort | uniq -c


From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Mar 22 22:41:54 2007
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:41:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Openoffice window decorations scrambled
Message-ID: <46034C82.1050807@freeshell.org>

I asked this question on the ltsp discussion list, but I haven't had any
responses and I'm not really sure it's an ltsp problem.

I'm setting up an LTSP5 system on a Xubuntu 6.10 server. When I log in
from my test client (a remote X server tunneled through ssh) it works
fine, except that the window decorations on openoffice.org are garbled.
Other apps are fine, logging in to the server itself does not give this
problem.

The client is using the i810 xorg Xserver driver.

Here's a screenshot to illustrate the problem:

http://strayf.freeshell.org/Screenshot.png

This is logged in at the client, the window in the background is
openoffice. It looks just as bad in the foreground. The window buttons
work (e.g. if I click where the close button should be on the window
border it closes the app). The contents of the open office window are
apparently unaffected.

Any thoughts why it might be doing this? Why only open office is doing this?

Thanks.

-Steve



From canito at dalan.us  Fri Mar 23 07:14:17 2007
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:14:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Open SUSE DVD
Message-ID: <20070323071417.r4ozv3jk7af4sw00@mail.dalan.us>

Small request, anyone in Bloomington have the most recent OpenSuse DVD  
they can lend or make a copy for yours truly? It is needed somewhat  
ugently. I do take off from work at 3:30 and arrive in Bloomington  
around 3:55 PM.

Please, please let me know!

David

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From ajs at cems.umn.edu  Fri Mar 23 09:34:33 2007
From: ajs at cems.umn.edu (Andy Schmid)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:34:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <4603E579.50405@cems.umn.edu>

It sounds like he knows what is eating up the CPU (httpd) so top would
be kind of useless.  You could try using a couple of tools such as lsof
or strace (one of my favorite), as well as look through your apache logs
to see what is being accessed.  This all might give you a clue to what
is causing the problem.  Also, if the load is due to a high IO wait,
then this may hint to a hardware issue.

Another thing you could try, see if you can downgrade the version of
apache installed.  Perhaps the high load is caused by a bug (its
happened to me before).

Andy

Jima wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
>  
>
>>I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
>>Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
>>so much of the CPU?
>>    
>>
>
>  Try `top`.
>
>      Jima
>
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>

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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 23 13:06:58 2007
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:06:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <4603E579.50405@cems.umn.edu>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<4603E579.50405@cems.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <46041742.4000801@umn.edu>

I would assume that since in the first sentence of the e-mail it was 
mentioned that it is a busy web server, that could be the problem. If an 
inefficiently written PHP/Perl, etc script is being run with each 
visitor, that could easily explain the load. Checking the access logs to 
find out the rate of requests could help you decide if this is the problem.

The other good explanation is many connections being opened to the 
server and that combined with KeepAlive and host name look ups (if 
enabled) could be causing your heavy usage problems. Optimization could 
help you, there are plenty of Apache Optimization HOWTOs out there.

Good luck

Andy Schmid wrote:
> It sounds like he knows what is eating up the CPU (httpd) so top would
> be kind of useless.  You could try using a couple of tools such as lsof
> or strace (one of my favorite), as well as look through your apache logs
> to see what is being accessed.  This all might give you a clue to what
> is causing the problem.  Also, if the load is due to a high IO wait,
> then this may hint to a hardware issue.
>
> Another thing you could try, see if you can downgrade the version of
> apache installed.  Perhaps the high load is caused by a bug (its
> happened to me before).
>
> Andy
>
> Jima wrote:
>
>   
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
>>> Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
>>> so much of the CPU?
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>>  Try `top`.
>>
>>      Jima
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>  
>>
>>     
>
>   



From wdtj at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 13:21:00 2007
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] XCrumble
Message-ID: <20070323182101.95623.qmail@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Anyone remember the old Sun program called XCrumble?  If you ran it on the X console it would cause cracks to appear in windows.  Then letters would start falling off the windows, fall down and smash on the bottom of the screen.  And occasionally a corner of a window would break off as well.  It was hilarious to unleash on an unsuspecting user...

It was public domain (AFAIK) back in the early 80's, but I haven't been able to find anything like it.

Any ideas?


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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar 24 11:15:43 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:15:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703241615.l2OGFhA27131@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: old working scanner

EasyPHoto ImageWare Scanner
aka the SDF-600-E.
In original box, with cable and power supply.  No software.
Free to first taker.  In Brooklyn Park.
MORE STUFF TO FOLLOW!

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Sat Mar 24 18:36:30 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:36:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] I-beam cursor alternatives
Message-ID: <4605B5FE.1050603@poetworld.net>


I dislike I-beam cursors and miss the days of underline/blinking or 
block/blinking cursors.  However, I know my preferred cursors exist with 
xterm in Linux.

I'm not even close to being a programmer.  So my question is how hard 
would it be to compile such cursors into existing software such as 
OpenOffice and Thunderbird?  I suggested this as an enhancement to 
OpenOffice but the suggestion was greeted with deafening silence.

I've noticed Emacs uses such cursors in X so I assume it's possible.  
I'm not expecting anyone to code this, but IF it's relatively simple 
would it be possible to use Emacs source code as an example and modify 
OpenOffice and Thunderbird for compilation?  Perhaps it's something as 
simple as a start-up option.



From family at ropers-huilman.net  Thu Mar 22 16:02:18 2007
From: family at ropers-huilman.net (Ropers-Huilman Family)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:02:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703221539490.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480703221402o787ad19fj805fd38d4d4286ea@mail.gmail.com>

Try exmap [ http://www.berthels.co.uk/exmap/faq.html ].

On 3/22/07, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> > I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
> > Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it use
> > so much of the CPU?
>
>   Try `top`.
>
>       Jima

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From admin at lctn.org  Sun Mar 25 20:11:28 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:11:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] high cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <1f663090703251453w7821a5e5wf309cbc03df3c185@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2636.64.8.148.7.1174591514.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<1f663090703251453w7821a5e5wf309cbc03df3c185@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50138.204.212.34.10.1174871488.squirrel@lctn.org>

> On 3/22/07, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>> I have a pretty busy Centos server running httpd-2.0.52-22.ent.centos4.
>> Httpd is running between 50-98%. How can I diagnose what is causing it
>> use
>> so much of the CPU?
>>
>>
>
> does your firewall have TCP rate limiting?

I use a pix at the head end, and iptables on this server for port access,
but nothing fancy.

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Mar 26 20:17:18 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703270117.l2R1HIZ23746@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Old printer cartridge

I believe this cartridge fits some older Canon and Laserwriter printers. The label says EPS-Cartridge, Color: black, Code: 1-500249.

Still sealed in its foil bag with a little cleaning wand thingamy to go with it.



Seller Email address: strayf at freeshell dot org

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From ron.e.nelson at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:11:17 2007
From: ron.e.nelson at gmail.com (Ron Nelson)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] disposal of CRTs and boards in Ramsey Co.
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb570702200800q1c277411gd14360ad88ce9416@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DA824B.2080400@visi.com>
	<20070220153211.GA23361@mail.el-swifto.com>
	<ee2fcb570702200800q1c277411gd14360ad88ce9416@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be48c3340703271011g48abd060v64074542321070ac@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I'm a bit behind on my list reading, but I didn't see this answered.

The Hennepin County recycling centers have reciprocity agreements with
a number of different counties.  I live in Woodbury (Washington Co.)
and was able to drop off old/dead electronics there.  Search
http://wwwa.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet for the
Bloomington and Brooklyn Park locations/hours/policies.

Ron

On 2/20/07, Jonathon Jongsma <jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/20/07, John Trammell <trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:08:27PM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
> > > Anyone know where I can drop unwanted circuit boards and dead monitors
> > > in St Paul?  Since y'all won't take my cases and parts of mass
> > > destruction, who will?
> > >
> > > One more chance, though, for these probably working relics:
> > >
> > >  * Apple][+
> > >  * Commodore 64
> > >  * Zenith 8088 XT (2 floppy drives!)
> > >  * amber mono monitor with mesh overlay  (composite jack only)
> >
> > Zero chance of me wanting any of that, but Materials Processing
> > (http://materialsprocessing.com/) will dispose of it for you for a
> > reasonable fee.  I don't know of anyone who will take it for fre.
> >
>
> Have you checked with the county?  I know Hennepin county has several
> days where they accept things like this free of charge for county
> residents.  I dropped off some old electronics there last year.
>
> --
> jonner
>
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From bob.hartmann at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 19:36:54 2007
From: bob.hartmann at gmail.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:36:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] disposal of CRTs and boards in Ramsey Co.
Message-ID: <b8fc4dd90703271736hb91c7e4r4d3d9dce302496f0@mail.gmail.com>

THE answer:
I called Hennepin today and told them I wanted to get rid of some (not
business) computer parts and monitors.  Said I live in Ramsey and they said
it's not a problem, bring it in.
They are open to me and presumably many other metro counties at their sites
in Bloomington (96th and James) and Brooklyn Park.
What they take and when and where can be found at a deeper link:
http://wwwa.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/

You are here: Home<http://wwwa.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/menuitem.5ac0a3fb0e913c8551199764b1466498/?vgnextoid=cae8be2f09b7c010VgnVCM1000000f094689RCRD>
   > Environment, Property, &
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   > A - Z How To Get Rid Of It
Guide<http://wwwa.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/menuitem.14c0cacfe630405b258caf10b1466498/?vgnextoid=118ebe2f09b7c010VgnVCM1000000f094689RCRD>


Thanks to Ron for the "duh"


This is also a test message.  I switched off visi to basic qwest and gmail,
can't send from my visi address cuz my IP changed.  Apologies to the mods.
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From bob.hartmann at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 21:42:22 2007
From: bob.hartmann at gmail.com (Bob Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:42:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
Message-ID: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still getting CST times from
alias date='sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart;date'

Now, who do I have to call?
I mean, how do I know where that time is coming from?

bob ~ $  date
Running ntpdate to synchronize clock.
Tue Mar 27 20:32:19 CST 2007

I am not in Arizona.   If anyone says "reboot,"  I'm gonna bust a nut and
drink tomato juice with Worcestershire.

Or, consider this another test message.
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 22:11:19 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:11:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann <bob.hartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm still getting CST times from
> alias date='sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart;date'

Did you update your timezone files?


From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 22:19:10 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:19:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann <bob.hartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope.  How?

It's distro-dependent.  Which are you using?


From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 22:24:01 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:24:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann <bob.hartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> Debian.
> I'm not getting email from the list, btw.  I can see my posts on the
> archive, tho, so I appreciate your help here.

You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure your
emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who replied
to your message.

Anyway - I don't use debian, but I believe you can run:

$ apt-get update
$ apt-get install tzdata

That should do it...no reboot required :-)

-erik

--
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Wed Mar 28 00:02:56 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:02:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>

> On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann <bob.hartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Debian.
>> I'm not getting email from the list, btw.  I can see my posts on the
>> archive, tho, so I appreciate your help here.
>
> You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
> particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure your
> emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who replied
> to your message.
>
> Anyway - I don't use debian, but I believe you can run:
>
> $ apt-get update
> $ apt-get install tzdata
>
> That should do it...no reboot required :-)
>
> -erik

NTP does not affect timezone settings.

To determine if your timezone data is current (at least with regards to
the US DST change) you can run
zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007

if you see Sun Apr 1 then you know you have old data
if you see Sun Mar 11 then you are current

This is a little shell script I wrote to ease updating many servers of
mixed distros. It worked on redhat 7.3, rhel3, suse 9.2, suse 9.3 and
openbsd (except localtime is a symlink).
It assumes you're running as root.

wget ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007c.tar.gz
mkdir tzdata
mv tzdata2007c.tar.gz tzdata
cd tzdata
mkdir zoneinfo.bak
ls -ld /etc/localtime
sleep 3s
# look to make sure localtime is not a symlink
ls -ld /etc/localtime > zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 >> zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
cp /etc/localtime /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/
cd /usr/share/
tar czvf /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/zoneinfo.tar.gz zoneinfo/
cd /root/tzdata
tar zxvf tzdata2007c.tar.gz
zic -d zoneinfo northamerica
cd zoneinfo/
cp -rf * /usr/share/zoneinfo
cp -f CST6CDT /etc/localtime
zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007



Most server processes that care about time will check the localtime when
they start and never check again during their life. You can just restart
services but I prefer to reboot after you get patched to make sure all
running processes notice the change.

Java and things that depend on Java (eg recent versions of Cold Fusion)
maintain their own timezone settings so they have OS independence. Sun has
a great and simple tzupdate.jar file for patching all java executables. It
worked great for me as well.



From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 08:12:05 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:12:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>

I see the word "reboot" was mentioned.  Make sure you down that drink, Bob!

- Joey

On 3/28/07, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> > On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann <bob.hartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Debian.
> >> I'm not getting email from the list, btw.  I can see my posts on the
> >> archive, tho, so I appreciate your help here.
> >
> > You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
> > particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure your
> > emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who replied
> > to your message.
> >
> > Anyway - I don't use debian, but I believe you can run:
> >
> > $ apt-get update
> > $ apt-get install tzdata
> >
> > That should do it...no reboot required :-)
> >
> > -erik
>
> NTP does not affect timezone settings.
>
> To determine if your timezone data is current (at least with regards to
> the US DST change) you can run
> zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
>
> if you see Sun Apr 1 then you know you have old data
> if you see Sun Mar 11 then you are current
>
> This is a little shell script I wrote to ease updating many servers of
> mixed distros. It worked on redhat 7.3, rhel3, suse 9.2, suse 9.3 and
> openbsd (except localtime is a symlink).
> It assumes you're running as root.
>
> wget ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007c.tar.gz
> mkdir tzdata
> mv tzdata2007c.tar.gz tzdata
> cd tzdata
> mkdir zoneinfo.bak
> ls -ld /etc/localtime
> sleep 3s
> # look to make sure localtime is not a symlink
> ls -ld /etc/localtime > zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
> zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 >> zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
> cp /etc/localtime /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/
> cd /usr/share/
> tar czvf /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/zoneinfo.tar.gz zoneinfo/
> cd /root/tzdata
> tar zxvf tzdata2007c.tar.gz
> zic -d zoneinfo northamerica
> cd zoneinfo/
> cp -rf * /usr/share/zoneinfo
> cp -f CST6CDT /etc/localtime
> zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
>
>
>
> Most server processes that care about time will check the localtime when
> they start and never check again during their life. You can just restart
> services but I prefer to reboot after you get patched to make sure all
> running processes notice the change.
>
> Java and things that depend on Java (eg recent versions of Cold Fusion)
> maintain their own timezone settings so they have OS independence. Sun has
> a great and simple tzupdate.jar file for patching all java executables. It
> worked great for me as well.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed Mar 28 09:31:36 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:31:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
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which distro are you using and version.  if its redhat there is a great 
DST FAQ on there site: 

https://www.redhat.com/support/resources/faqs/dst/

don't forget to bounce crond - it needs to reread the timezone file upon 
service startup - unfortunately it only reads it during start up.

Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I see the word "reboot" was mentioned.  Make sure you down that drink, 
> Bob!
>
> - Joey
>
> On 3/28/07, *Justin Krejci* < jus at krytosvirus.com 
> <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote:
>
>     > On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann < bob.hartmann at gmail.com
>     <mailto:bob.hartmann at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >> Debian.
>     >> I'm not getting email from the list, btw.  I can see my posts
>     on the
>     >> archive, tho, so I appreciate your help here.
>     >
>     > You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
>     > particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure
>     your
>     > emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who
>     replied
>     > to your message.
>     >
>     > Anyway - I don't use debian, but I believe you can run:
>     >
>     > $ apt-get update
>     > $ apt-get install tzdata
>     >
>     > That should do it...no reboot required :-)
>     >
>     > -erik
>
>     NTP does not affect timezone settings.
>
>     To determine if your timezone data is current (at least with
>     regards to
>     the US DST change) you can run
>     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
>
>     if you see Sun Apr 1 then you know you have old data
>     if you see Sun Mar 11 then you are current
>
>     This is a little shell script I wrote to ease updating many
>     servers of
>     mixed distros. It worked on redhat 7.3, rhel3, suse 9.2, suse 9.3 and
>     openbsd (except localtime is a symlink).
>     It assumes you're running as root.
>
>     wget ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007c.tar.gz
>     mkdir tzdata
>     mv tzdata2007c.tar.gz tzdata
>     cd tzdata
>     mkdir zoneinfo.bak
>     ls -ld /etc/localtime
>     sleep 3s
>     # look to make sure localtime is not a symlink
>     ls -ld /etc/localtime > zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
>     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 >>
>     zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
>     cp /etc/localtime /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/
>     cd /usr/share/
>     tar czvf /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/zoneinfo.tar.gz zoneinfo/
>     cd /root/tzdata
>     tar zxvf tzdata2007c.tar.gz
>     zic -d zoneinfo northamerica
>     cd zoneinfo/
>     cp -rf * /usr/share/zoneinfo
>     cp -f CST6CDT /etc/localtime
>     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
>
>
>
>     Most server processes that care about time will check the
>     localtime when
>     they start and never check again during their life. You can just
>     restart
>     services but I prefer to reboot after you get patched to make sure all
>     running processes notice the change.
>
>     Java and things that depend on Java (eg recent versions of Cold
>     Fusion)
>     maintain their own timezone settings so they have OS independence.
>     Sun has
>     a great and simple tzupdate.jar file for patching all java
>     executables. It
>     worked great for me as well.
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>     <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From cschumann at twp-llc.com  Wed Mar 28 10:09:37 2007
From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:09:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] disposal of CRTs and boards in Ramsey Co.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1053.1175058276.2107.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1053.1175058276.2107.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <21400.168.86.12.2.1175094577.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>

Some of those might fetch a pretty penny on eBay. You could try Craigslist
and Freecycle too. Might keep them out of a landfill for a while more.




From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 10:16:39 2007
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:16:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Was:  ntp and CST
Message-ID: <82f04dc40703280816i446c743aq5e16349a3f4d1e30@mail.gmail.com>

> You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
> particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure your
> emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who replied
> to your message.

You mean - it handles replies just the way normal users expect it to -
so it doesn't handle a poorly configured mailing list well.

I really don't understand why anyone would configure a mailing list to
not set the default reply-to to go back to the mailing list.  Thats
kind of the point of the list....

*ducks and runs out of the room for bringing up a religion*


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 10:31:15 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:31:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Was:  ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40703280816i446c743aq5e16349a3f4d1e30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82f04dc40703280816i446c743aq5e16349a3f4d1e30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0703280831k61bc0029sce9e63dc5ca94874@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Dan Armbrust <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You mean - it handles replies just the way normal users expect it to -
> so it doesn't handle a poorly configured mailing list well.
>
> I really don't understand why anyone would configure a mailing list to
> not set the default reply-to to go back to the mailing list.  Thats
> kind of the point of the list....

You're absolutely right.  I stand corrected.

-erik


From robbyt at robbyt.net  Wed Mar 28 11:14:54 2007
From: robbyt at robbyt.net (Rob Terhaar)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:14:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <460A7C48.7050803@e-skinner.net>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>
	<460A7C48.7050803@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <1f663090703280914y3d720d29v82791acfb1a126b6@mail.gmail.com>

ok can someone explain why just doing
ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime

is bad?

here's what redhat recommends:

Update /etc/localtime by hand after installing the latest tzdata
package. This can be done with a simple copy command:

    * cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/$CURRENT_TIMEZONE /etc/localtime
    * where $CURRENT_TIMEZONE is your local timezone (e.g., America/NewYork).


why copy? why not symlink? (or even hardlink?)

On 3/28/07, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> which distro are you using and version.  if its redhat there is a great
> DST FAQ on there site:
>
> https://www.redhat.com/support/resources/faqs/dst/
>
> don't forget to bounce crond - it needs to reread the timezone file upon
> service startup - unfortunately it only reads it during start up.
>
> Joey Rockhold wrote:
> > I see the word "reboot" was mentioned.  Make sure you down that drink,
> > Bob!
> >
> > - Joey
> >
> > On 3/28/07, *Justin Krejci* < jus at krytosvirus.com
> > <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     > On 3/27/07, Bob Hartmann < bob.hartmann at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:bob.hartmann at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     >> Debian.
> >     >> I'm not getting email from the list, btw.  I can see my posts
> >     on the
> >     >> archive, tho, so I appreciate your help here.
> >     >
> >     > You're using gmail, which doesn't handle mailing list replies
> >     > particularly well.  Make sure to hit "reply-to-all" to make sure
> >     your
> >     > emails get sent out to the whole list, not just the person who
> >     replied
> >     > to your message.
> >     >
> >     > Anyway - I don't use debian, but I believe you can run:
> >     >
> >     > $ apt-get update
> >     > $ apt-get install tzdata
> >     >
> >     > That should do it...no reboot required :-)
> >     >
> >     > -erik
> >
> >     NTP does not affect timezone settings.
> >
> >     To determine if your timezone data is current (at least with
> >     regards to
> >     the US DST change) you can run
> >     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
> >
> >     if you see Sun Apr 1 then you know you have old data
> >     if you see Sun Mar 11 then you are current
> >
> >     This is a little shell script I wrote to ease updating many
> >     servers of
> >     mixed distros. It worked on redhat 7.3, rhel3, suse 9.2, suse 9.3 and
> >     openbsd (except localtime is a symlink).
> >     It assumes you're running as root.
> >
> >     wget ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007c.tar.gz
> >     mkdir tzdata
> >     mv tzdata2007c.tar.gz tzdata
> >     cd tzdata
> >     mkdir zoneinfo.bak
> >     ls -ld /etc/localtime
> >     sleep 3s
> >     # look to make sure localtime is not a symlink
> >     ls -ld /etc/localtime > zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
> >     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 >>
> >     zoneinfo.bak/localtime.zdump.txt
> >     cp /etc/localtime /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/
> >     cd /usr/share/
> >     tar czvf /root/tzdata/zoneinfo.bak/zoneinfo.tar.gz zoneinfo/
> >     cd /root/tzdata
> >     tar zxvf tzdata2007c.tar.gz
> >     zic -d zoneinfo northamerica
> >     cd zoneinfo/
> >     cp -rf * /usr/share/zoneinfo
> >     cp -f CST6CDT /etc/localtime
> >     zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
> >
> >
> >
> >     Most server processes that care about time will check the
> >     localtime when
> >     they start and never check again during their life. You can just
> >     restart
> >     services but I prefer to reboot after you get patched to make sure all
> >     running processes notice the change.
> >
> >     Java and things that depend on Java (eg recent versions of Cold
> >     Fusion)
> >     maintain their own timezone settings so they have OS independence.
> >     Sun has
> >     a great and simple tzupdate.jar file for patching all java
> >     executables. It
> >     worked great for me as well.
> >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >     <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 11:24:57 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:24:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <1f663090703280914y3d720d29v82791acfb1a126b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>
	<460A7C48.7050803@e-skinner.net>
	<1f663090703280914y3d720d29v82791acfb1a126b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0703280924x4ee51206q28749a07b36fb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
> ok can someone explain why just doing
> ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime
>
> is bad?

I've wondered the same thing in the past.  The best explanation I
could come up with is that if you're symlinking your tz file and have
/usr on a separate partition and that partition fails to mount
someday, things could get messy.

I'm a gentoo user, and when I started using the distro, they
recommended symlinking that file.  Recently though, they've changed
their recommendation to actually copy the tz file.

-erik


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Mar 28 12:08:03 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:08:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0703280924x4ee51206q28749a07b36fb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc40260f0703272011p2573e954ja1754ca0143f2af4@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>
	<460A7C48.7050803@e-skinner.net>
	<1f663090703280914y3d720d29v82791acfb1a126b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703280924x4ee51206q28749a07b36fb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070328170803.GG17401@iucha.net>

On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:24:57AM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
> > ok can someone explain why just doing
> > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime
> >
> > is bad?
> 
> I've wondered the same thing in the past.  The best explanation I
> could come up with is that if you're symlinking your tz file and have
> /usr on a separate partition and that partition fails to mount
> someday, things could get messy.

On Debian, some script that reads the /etc/localtime file runs before
/usr is mounted, so even in the absence of failure, your time will be
off.

florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From anthony at tekoneracing.com  Wed Mar 28 22:30:00 2007
From: anthony at tekoneracing.com (Anthony Cavin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:30:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 37
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1175101205.27450.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.5.1175101205.27450.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1175139000.5145.2.camel@xcube>

we should start an actual bulletin board....



From sfertch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 06:42:33 2007
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:42:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ntp and CST
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0703280924x4ee51206q28749a07b36fb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8fc4dd90703271942g3da1873fw85d90769b8a4e256@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272015y318953dctc18fc89cd74b1d09@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272019l37bf5396t6be24c3159d648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8fc4dd90703272021v62de8376sd87de8daf8a7ca0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703272024j7770c6fbp8ae6056ae87cf0ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1305.216.17.75.74.1175058176.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<101e49ea0703280612i3228876ax5cccd860a3ea8569@mail.gmail.com>
	<460A7C48.7050803@e-skinner.net>
	<1f663090703280914y3d720d29v82791acfb1a126b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc40260f0703280924x4ee51206q28749a07b36fb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67f3084a0703290442i3fee3fa7ne5d4068cb5944910@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Rob Terhaar <robbyt at robbyt.net> wrote:
> > ok can someone explain why just doing
> > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime
> >
> > is bad?
>
> I've wondered the same thing in the past.  The best explanation I
> could come up with is that if you're symlinking your tz file and have
> /usr on a separate partition and that partition fails to mount
> someday, things could get messy.
>
> I'm a gentoo user, and when I started using the distro, they
> recommended symlinking that file.  Recently though, they've changed
> their recommendation to actually copy the tz file.
>

This is across all distros.  It's brought on by our wonderful
legislatures changing when DST occurs.

All that being said, there's more to making a system compliant for DST
than just updating the tzdata package.  You also need to update glibc
packages, and if you're running java, that as well.

On an RH/Fedora based system, there's a total of 4 packages if you
don't count java:

Glibc-common
Glibc
Glibc-utils
Tzdata


If you read into the FAQ by Red Hat, you would notice that if you
updated all packages together, you do not need to change the
/etc/localtime file by hand.  It's done automatically.  It would be a
bad idea to delete the file, and recreate a symlink of /etc/localtime
to your /usr/share/zoneinfo/TZFILE as the localtime file will be
updated every time you update your system with the packages listed
above and revert back to a copy of your tz file.

The /etc/localtime file is a copy of your timezone as specified within
the /etc/sysconfig/clock file on RH based systems.  Or, equivalent
file depending upon your distro.

-- 
-Shawn

-Nemo me impune lacessit.  Ne Obliviscaris..


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Mar 29 09:16:33 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:16:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703291416.l2TEGXm26357@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar 29 11:18:37 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:18:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 37
In-Reply-To: <1175139000.5145.2.camel@xcube> 
References: <mailman.5.1175101205.27450.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<1175139000.5145.2.camel@xcube>
Message-ID: <20070329161837.7F0E231E3@skuld.wookimus.net>

Anthony Cavin <anthony at tekoneracing.com>  wrote:
> we should start an actual bulletin board....

Or people could trim their posts.



From d9387120 at sihope.com  Thu Mar 29 12:15:11 2007
From: d9387120 at sihope.com (danemp)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:15:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] connecting dsl
Message-ID: <460BF41F.4070007@sihope.com>

I have installed xandros business pack on a computer.  I am having 
problems with
getting a connection. The results are "no DCHP offers received"

Windows works just fine with all the computers in the house, but,
I cannot get a connection with xandros on the same network.

any ideas?


From austad at signal15.com  Thu Mar 29 13:42:15 2007
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:42:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] need a POE injector
Message-ID: <AE178C93-3A00-4C67-A3ED-BD404C29ECAA@signal15.com>

Does anyone have one they want to sell?  Or does anyone know where I  
can buy one here in town today?

~jay


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Fri Mar 30 08:56:55 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:56:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] need a POE injector
In-Reply-To: <AE178C93-3A00-4C67-A3ED-BD404C29ECAA@signal15.com>
References: <AE178C93-3A00-4C67-A3ED-BD404C29ECAA@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703300856371.5607@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Jay Austad wrote:
> Does anyone have one they want to sell?  Or does anyone know where I can 
> buy one here in town today?

MicroCenter had a d-link branded one when I needed it about a year ago..

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From admin at lctn.org  Fri Mar 30 10:22:11 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:22:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] more php install questions
Message-ID: <4303.64.8.148.4.1175268131.squirrel@lctn.org>

I am still plugging away on a freebie project, attempting to install php
and connect it to a non traditional install of apache and mysql. I am
using the wre (webgui runtine environment), where apache, perl, and mysql
are all with in /data/wre.

I am running things on an Ubuntu server, so initially, I just used apt to
install php4, and php-cli. In the domain.conf I added:

LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
<IfModule mod_php4.c>
 AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>


This worked fine, only, I would get preg_match errors at the top of the
page. I found it was due to using external libraries for pcre. The fix is
to install php with the following option,"--with-pcre-regex=", with no
trailing path . I am attempting to install php using source files, and
this seems to work, but now it is asking for MYSQL Headers, which requires
I install mysql-devel.

I have a couple questions about this; if I use apt-get, instead,  to
install mysql-devel, will it work to use "-o" to set the install path to 
/data/wre/prereqs/mysql .
Also, will it work to do the same for installing php, to add
"--with-pcre-regex="?










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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Mar 30 11:25:33 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:25:33 -0500
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Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
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From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
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