From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue May  1 12:06:22 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:06:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Perhaps OT - Laptop choice
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020704101004v3620b0abp104702d45053d0fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0704050944x3c386925l7016d8abe9e51806@mail.gmail.com>
	<cone.1175793962.400465.29683.1001@home>
	<65293fcc0704092221x34f438cq5ef405ab3d794b4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020704101004v3620b0abp104702d45053d0fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020705011006n946b354u9a6c0ad0b6cdd4f6@mail.gmail.com>

> I don't recall the name of the software, but there is an application
> that will allows for splitting the touch pad for left and right
> clicking.

Found an old bookmarks.htm. :)

Sidetrack:
http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/index.html


-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue May  1 13:04:00 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:04:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
Message-ID: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>

I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).

I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
gets an IP.

Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
that's just speculation.

My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.

Thanks,
Eric


From canito at dalan.us  Tue May  1 13:03:40 2007
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:03:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070501130340.vbeacrk7eibogwok@mail.dalan.us>

I worked for the evil Comcast for a while and during this time I ran a  
few OpenWRT devices the they do not block this from the network as far  
as I know.
Actually, what steps have you taken to check why you're not getting a  
valid IP?

David


Quoting Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com>:

> I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
> transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
> I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
> the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
> Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).
>
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
>
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
>
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Tue May  1 13:16:28 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:16:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705011313100.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Tue, 1 May 2007, Eric Peterson wrote:
*snip*
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.

  As someone with 10 WRT54G* devices running OpenWRT on Comcast's network, 
I'm inclined to agree that it's speculation.
  Did you power-cycle the cable modem before trying to get a lease with the 
WRT?  I've noticed some are a little anal about allowing a second DHCP 
lease (yes, I know there's only one-at-a-time...they don't seem to).

      Jima


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue May  1 13:23:29 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:23:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Dell To Offer Ubuntu
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705011323020.19589@taxa.epi.umn.edu>



http://www.ubuntu.com/news/dell-to-offer-ubuntu

Mike


From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  1 13:30:40 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:30:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEGMCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Eric Peterson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:04 PM
>
> I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
> transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
> I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
> the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
> Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).
>
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
>
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
>
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric

Perhaps a clue:

I have a friend in the Comcast area who reports that Comcast made her
replace a 54G Linksys WiFi router with a Belkin one in order to get
things to run.  She has since given away the Linksys router so I can't
check except by taking mine over there sometime.  Makes no sense to me,
and I would have scalped Comcast before changing brands so their tech
support knew what to do.  I just got her Belkin going again by telephone
help and the menus it has are quite different from my Linksys.

You should escalate until you reach intelligent life forms - if any
exist there.. ask for their attorney's contact info if that fails.  It's
probably something about the router's DHCP setup or funny business with
static IP.  Her Belkin router has an IP sequence that defaulted to
192.168.2.1 while all mine default to 192.168.1.1.  Perhaps the cable
side can alter the cable modem defaults: I regularly have Level 1 cable
folk tell me they set all my cable modem stuff and try to tell me I
can't see my cable modem status screen (192.168.100.1 on both Linksys
and Motorola cable modems) to read what clearly appears "by the book"
after modem lock (I'd like to get signal level before/without lock, but
cannot without lock and they are no help at all for that issue).


Chuck




From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Tue May  1 13:24:25 2007
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:24:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

On Tuesday 01 May 2007 1:04:00 pm Eric Peterson wrote:
> I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
> transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
> I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
> the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
> Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).
>
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
>
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
>
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.

I know that the dd-WRT firmware has an option to turn off spanning-tree 
protocol (STP) for use on a comcast internet connection.  It seems that 
comcast blocks the port you are on if they detect STP.  I am not sure if 
OpenWRT has the same option, but that is my guess.  


-- 
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Senior Network Administrator
bbaptist at iexposure.com
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http://www.iexposure.com
(612)676-1946 x17

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Tue May  1 13:47:00 2007
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:47:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0705011147x752b3bf3hdd5462880b285a46@mail.gmail.com>

I have a linksys running dd-wrt and it's working for me. (Not sure if it's
the same as OpenWRT, but just in case the info is helpful.)

Jason

On 5/1/07, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
> transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
> I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
> the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
> Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).
>
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
>
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
>
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue May  1 14:09:47 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:09:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/1/07, Bret Baptist <bbaptist at iexposure.com> wrote:
>
> I know that the dd-WRT firmware has an option to turn off spanning-tree
> protocol (STP) for use on a comcast internet connection.  It seems that
> comcast blocks the port you are on if they detect STP.  I am not sure if
> OpenWRT has the same option, but that is my guess.

I've seen this option on my dd-wrt box.  My connection seems to work
fine through comcast whether or not STP is enabled. I'd guess that
they have a few different CMTSs out there and some of them don't play
nice with STP.

-erik


From jeremy at rosengren.org  Tue May  1 14:15:49 2007
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:15:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <463791E5.7040404@rosengren.org>

Eric Peterson wrote:
> I just moved from Minnetonka to Brooklyn Park. In the process I
> transferred my cable internet. After dealing with Comcast on the phone
> I looked for alternatives, but unfortunately it looks like Sprint is
> the only other provider of DSL/Cable in the area. So I'm still with
> Comcast (feel free to make recommendations).
>
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
>
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
>
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.
>
>   
Some cable companies lock the MAC address, preventing a new PC/router
from getting an IP address via DHCP after another client has already
asked for one on that connection.

For Mediacom, which I have, all I have to do is remove power from the
cable modem for a couple of minutes to clear the ARP cache after which I
can power it on and connect a new machine.  Comcast may require the
additional step of having somebody reset things on their side.

-- jeremy


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue May  1 14:40:04 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:40:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>

I've tried power cycling everything in every way possible. That
doesn't seem to be the issue.

I know all the cables work because I can take it out of the Linksys
and plug it in to my laptop and viola it works. Perhaps the DHCP lease
is locked to a MAC address for a period of time.

It could be that the Linksys died but it literally was working just
fine with Comcast just hours prior to me testing it at the new
location.

I think I'll try feeding it a dhcp address from a dhcp server running
on a Linux machine and see if that works.

I'll also play with the STP settings.

Thanks for the ideas.

Eric


From john.meier at gmail.com  Tue May  1 15:52:48 2007
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:52:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>

Call the comcast general support number and navigate through the menus to
high speed support and there'll be an option to reauthorize your cable
modem.  do that, wait the prescribed time and power cycle the modem.  I've
hit the same problems with a stock linksys and a Dlink dfl-200 firewall.
the above solved my problems....


On 5/1/07, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've tried power cycling everything in every way possible. That
> doesn't seem to be the issue.
>
> I know all the cables work because I can take it out of the Linksys
> and plug it in to my laptop and viola it works. Perhaps the DHCP lease
> is locked to a MAC address for a period of time.
>
> It could be that the Linksys died but it literally was working just
> fine with Comcast just hours prior to me testing it at the new
> location.
>
> I think I'll try feeding it a dhcp address from a dhcp server running
> on a Linux machine and see if that works.
>
> I'll also play with the STP settings.
>
> Thanks for the ideas.
>
> Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jeff at digitalguy.net  Tue May  1 15:53:16 2007
From: jeff at digitalguy.net (jeff at digitalguy.net)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:53:16 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070501205316.GA25769@hannah.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>

On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 01:04:00PM -0500, Eric Peterson wrote:
> I was able to get my connection working with my Linux laptop just
> fine, but when I connect the Linksys which is running OpenWRT it never
> gets an IP.
> 
> Any ideas? I'm thinking Comcast is somehow blocking my Linksys, but I
> that's just speculation.
> 
> My old connection was Time Warner until Comcast took over.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
> 
Try changing the MAC address on the WAN port of your WRT to that of the
laptop.

Jeff


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue May  1 17:00:26 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:00:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30705011500p4e021dbbo670705b03a750276@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/1/07, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Call the comcast general support number and navigate through the menus to
> high speed support and there'll be an option to reauthorize your cable
> modem.  do that, wait the prescribed time and power cycle the modem.  I've
> hit the same problems with a stock linksys and a Dlink dfl-200 firewall.
> the above solved my problems....

I'll try this and if that doesn't work I'll try adding the laptop MAC
to the linksys.

Thanks.


From brockn at gmail.com  Tue May  1 17:19:27 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:19:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705011500p4e021dbbo670705b03a750276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011500p4e021dbbo670705b03a750276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80705011519y52e8e861sc9dd9c2de0b9ede4@mail.gmail.com>

Does your cable modem have a battery backup?  I had the same issue
with my modem and I also thought it was my linksys router.

Turned out that it was a "stand by" button on the front. I had
accidently pressed it. Once I repressed it everything worked.

My device also allows phone service and has battery backup. Not sure
of the model.

Brock


On 5/1/07, Eric Peterson <srcfoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/07, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Call the comcast general support number and navigate through the menus to
> > high speed support and there'll be an option to reauthorize your cable
> > modem.  do that, wait the prescribed time and power cycle the modem.  I've
> > hit the same problems with a stock linksys and a Dlink dfl-200 firewall.
> > the above solved my problems....
>
> I'll try this and if that doesn't work I'll try adding the laptop MAC
> to the linksys.
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


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From admin at lctn.org  Tue May  1 17:59:00 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:59:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] video capture / edit solution
Message-ID: <37883.204.212.34.10.1178060340.squirrel@lctn.org>

I have an Ubuntu box I want to use for multi media. I need to capture
video (via the composite port). I have tried vlc and am getting distorted
video. I have also tried Cinelerra, but it wont install. What is out there
that can be easily installed on Ubuntu that will capture video, save to
avi, mpeg, mov files, and can edit captured files?




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From josh at radkeland.org  Wed May  2 06:25:32 2007
From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 06:25:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SELinux /etc/nshadow create denied
Message-ID: <1178105132.23930.13.camel@mercury.radkeland.org>

... but first things first.  I wouldn't miss tonight's meeting for the
world!

I'm attempting to incorporate web-chpass
(http://www.unicom.com/sw/web-chpass/) into my website running SELinux
(Fedora Core 6).  Since it's doing all sorts of things a web server has
no business doing, I'm working on a new policy (with the help of
system-config-selinux), which is almost correct.  Unfortunately, I'm
still getting:

avc: denied { create } for comm="nipasswd" cwd="/var/www/secure/cgi-bin"
dev=fd:00 egid=48 euid=0 exe="/usr/local/lib/web-chpass/nipasswd" exit=4
fsgid=48 fsuid=0 gid=48 inode=188244 item=1 items=2 mode=0100600
name="/etc/nshadow" obj=system_u:object_r:shadow_t:s0 ogid=48 ouid=0
pid=23759 rdev=00:00
scontext=user_u:system_r:httpd_webchpass_script_t:s0 sgid=48
subj=user_u:system_r:httpd_webchpass_script_t:s0 suid=0 tclass=file
tcontext=system_u:object_r:shadow_t:s0 tty=(none) uid=0

audit2allow -R recommends:
auth_manage_shadow(httpd_webchpass_script_t)

and audit2allow (no arguments) recommends:
allow httpd_webchpass_script_t shadow_t:file create;

After recompiling and rechecking, I continue to get the same avc
message.  The script itself works fine in permissive mode, and I get
the same message in either permissive or enforcing.

It seems strange to be denied the access with the second rule above?!?

If anybody could point me towards relevant resources, it would be much
appreciated.



From pcutler at foresightlinux.org  Wed May  2 08:51:15 2007
From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:51:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG relaunched - Wed May 2, 6:30 - 8pm
In-Reply-To: <579750.43276.qm@web53809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <579c6fd30704301351k68382c68j3fb7023eaa67da49@mail.gmail.com>
	<579750.43276.qm@web53809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0705020651i262ceab0ub3ec1fb7b6f77ce0@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder - today's the day for the TCLUG meeting!

When:  6:30 - 8:00 p.m.

Where:

University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-210
200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
(Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)

Agenda:

1. Welcome & Introduction
2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
topics, upcoming Installfest, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)

I look forward to seeing you all tonight!  After the meeting, we'll
informally be grabbing some food & drinks.

Paul

<snip>


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed May  2 21:24:22 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:24:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705030224.l432OMH01494@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: UltraSparc, CRT, Printer

I've got a few things I don't want to store anymore, so these are all free for pickup in Eden Prairie:

Sun Ultra 30
* 300 MHz UltraSparc
* 512 MiB RAM
* Two 36 GB SCSI disks
This was running linux until I turned it off a few months ago.  It has a video card of some kind, but I've only used it as a headless server.

19-inch CRT.  It worked the last time I used it, sometime last year.

Epson C82 ink-jet printer.  Has been unused for about 18 months, so it may need new ink.

Email me at comradex at safetyfork.net.

Seller Email address: comradex at safetyfork dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From tclug at greatlakedata.com  Wed May  2 22:57:39 2007
From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:57:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] device driver developer?
Message-ID: <46395DB3.80302@greatlakedata.com>

sorry, after a tad of musical chairs tonight, who was i sitting across 
from just before i left?  you do device driver development...


From obelin23 at gmail.com  Thu May  3 07:11:02 2007
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:11:02 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Message-ID: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site email
list and can't get it to respond.

My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux
friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and WindowsXP,
and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.

So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am
having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable
companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers you
like.

My apologies for bringing this topic up again. Thanks in advance for your
help.

Charlie
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Thu May  3 07:34:46 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 07:34:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4639D6E6.3030303@e-skinner.net>

what exactly do you mean "linux friendly" ... that they if you call them 
they will support your linux networking configuration issues?  or that 
there routers, network infrastructure, etc will "allow" a linux host to 
work?

i have had both comcast cable and qwest dsl for years working with many 
number of Linux hosts/distros.  i have never tried using linux to be the 
CPE device that connects directly to there network - ie: with an 
internal DSL card ... i use the Cisco 678 and the Motorla 5400 Bitsurfer 
for that.  buth the next hop into my network has always been some sort 
of linux iptables/qos/router/firewall.


Charlie O wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site 
> email list and can't get it to respond.
>
> My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux 
> friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and 
> WindowsXP, and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.
>
> So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am 
> having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable 
> companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers 
> you like.
>
> My apologies for bringing this topic up again. Thanks in advance for 
> your help.
>
> Charlie
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From marc at e-skinner.net  Thu May  3 07:36:17 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 07:36:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FYI - 750 drives for $200 after rebate
Message-ID: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net>

just thought i'd mention, micro center has seagate sata3 750gb drives 
for $200 after a $60 mail in rebate.

time to pick up a few :)


From dniesen at gmail.com  Thu May  3 07:56:03 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:56:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FYI - 750 drives for $200 after rebate
In-Reply-To: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net>
References: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70705030556g2c9a1c63n72f0d5538f22af8@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a great time to build a RaidZilla
(http://www.tmk.com/raidzilla/).  Now if only I had the data to
warrant the expense...

On 5/3/07, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> just thought i'd mention, micro center has seagate sata3 750gb drives
> for $200 after a $60 mail in rebate.
>
> time to pick up a few :)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-- 
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From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Thu May  3 07:30:26 2007
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:30:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070503123026.GA29225@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:11:02AM -0400, Charlie O wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site email
> list and can't get it to respond.
> 
> My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux
> friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and WindowsXP,
> and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.
> 
> So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am
> having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable
> companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers you
> like.
> 
> My apologies for bringing this topic up again. Thanks in advance for your
> help.
> 
> Charlie

IPHouse has been good to me.

-- 
Jim Kaufman
Linux Evangelist
public key 0x6D802619


From florin at iucha.net  Thu May  3 08:09:21 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:09:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FYI - 750 drives for $200 after rebate
In-Reply-To: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net>
References: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <20070503130920.GP26854@iucha.net>

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 07:36:17AM -0500, Marc Skinner wrote:
> just thought i'd mention, micro center has seagate sata3 750gb drives 
> for $200 after a $60 mail in rebate.

Somebody at the minibar who works in storage mentioned that those
seagate drives only use checksums for one side of the platters.

Caveat emptor (for both the hard drive and the tip).

florin

-- 
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      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu May  3 09:17:20 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:17:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] FYI - 750 drives for $200 after rebate
In-Reply-To: <20070503130920.GP26854@iucha.net>
References: <4639D741.6040407@e-skinner.net> <20070503130920.GP26854@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0705030917030.10158@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Florin Iucha wrote:
>> just thought i'd mention, micro center has seagate sata3 750gb drives
>> for $200 after a $60 mail in rebate.
>
> Somebody at the minibar who works in storage mentioned that those 
> seagate drives only use checksums for one side of the platters.
>
> Caveat emptor (for both the hard drive and the tip).

Also not such a good deal since you can get 500's for $125 regularly and 
$100 on a semi-regular basis..

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From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu May  3 09:56:54 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 14:56:54 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Message-ID: <050320071456.28110.4639F836000A62C500006DCE22007504380B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Charlie O" <obelin23 at gmail.com>
> Hi,
> 
> I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site email
> list and can't get it to respond.
> 
> My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux
> friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and WindowsXP,
> and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.
> 
> So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am
> having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable
> companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers you
> like.
> 
> My apologies for bringing this topic up again. Thanks in advance for your
> help.
> 
> Charlie

I have been using a Linux firewall on Comcast cable for over 5 years now with no problems. I had to briefly hook a Windows machine up when I dumped their cable modem and put my own into place to "register" the cable modem with them.

Do your daughter a favor and have her invest in either a dedicated Linux firewall (Smoothwall or IPCop to name a few) or one of the consumer broadband firewalls (Linksys or Netgear). I would not depend on the Windows firewall to protect a computer.
--
==========
Todd Young

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From swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us  Thu May  3 10:06:37 2007
From: swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us (Steven White)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:06:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] consulting rates?
In-Reply-To: <20070404145809.70927.qmail@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <694fa1450704031848w75bfde39mab703be4bde2f0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070404145809.70927.qmail@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4639B42C.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>

I don't do consulting but I wondered once how much I would have to charge if I did.
 
I went to my employer's HR department and asked them for everything they contributed for me to various places.  That included FICA, Medicare, pension, life insurance, long-term disability, their share of medical insurance, dental insurance, etc..  I added that to my salary to come up with the amount of money I would have to get to have the same income I have as an employee (because I would have to pay my own FICA, life insurance, long-term disability, etc.).
 
Then I tried to figure out how many days in a year I would actually work.  The 52 weeks times five days per week has to have subtracted from it holidays, vacations, and maybe a little sick leave.
 
Then I took the advice of the consulting books to realize that I would not work eight hours every day.  In fact, considering overhead, travel, education, and so on, I might average only six hours of time each day that I could in good conscience bill for.
 
Finally, I divided dollars by hours to get an hourly figure.  I think that at the time is was around $52.
 
Steven White
City of Bloomington
1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
Bloomington MN 55431-3096
USA
952-563-4882 (voice)
952-563-4672 (fax)
steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us 

>>> Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> 4/4/2007 9:58 AM >>>
What I did was take what I was making as a full time developer, add in 7.5% for the self employment taxes, Another 6% for vacation/sick and then a fixed monthly charge for insurance, etc if you need to.  Then split this all up to an hourly charge.

Remember that there is always down time between contracts, so short term contracts need to charge more for the between the gaps overhead.

I was charging $72/hr for short term and $60 long term YMMV.

At one point I was working for a contract house (at $30/hr + benefits) and I later found out the contract house was charging the client $75/hr.  They were making a VERY nice profit on my labor.

Dave Dash <dave.dash at gmail.com> wrote:


I've seen people charge anywhere from $25-100/hr for various computer related consulting.  Unfortunately nobody likes to share how much they charge as it tends to be a not for public consumption.  

If I weren't already doing some consulting (albeit on the side), I'd pick a number between $25-100 that is more than what I'd be making at a similar full time or even contract gig (and you can call recruiters to find those out).  Then just keep to that.  But really the rate doesn't matter so much as the quality of service.... of course, I'm not the small business owner cutting you the check, so what do I know. 

-d

On 4/3/07, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:

Guys,

What are some good resources on consulting rates?  I'm talking to a
small business owner about Linux support and consulting for their shop.
Mainly remote troubleshooting, with bulk work during weekends, if 
need be.

Thanks,
florin

--
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612.670.0621
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(612) 522-7003             | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis

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From swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us  Thu May  3 10:37:29 2007
From: swhite at ci.bloomington.mn.us (Steven White)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:37:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Need info
In-Reply-To: <29158.168.86.12.2.1175879402.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
References: <mailman.3.1175878805.9188.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<29158.168.86.12.2.1175879402.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
Message-ID: <4639BB68.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>

Two other ideas:
 
If you purchase a boxed distribution (like SUSE Open Linux from Novell) you get 90 days of free support for getting it running.  I myself am not too experienced with Linux, but long ago I installed Mandrake on a Windows computer for dual boot and it was fairly painless.  One would hope things are even better now, although I don't know from my own experience.
 
Or, if you goal is just experimenting, you could watch the Sunday Star-Tribune want ads (section 355) for a really cheap used computer.  Put Linux on that one instead and experiment in total safety.  There is something reassuring in knowing that if you hose your computer beyond repair you can just wipe out the disk and reinstall.  In fact, I have done that a few times now, and I notice my confidence level is up quite a bit.
 
If you are handy with hardware and like to fuss, and could find a used computer with an earlier version of Windows that does not require activation, you could get that Norton Ghost program and a fresh new hard disk, clone the hard disk from the used computer as backup, and you would be really free to experiment without fear.  Then when you are sure of your ability, you could dual-boot your main machine.
 
Ok, that was three ideas.
 
Steven White
City of Bloomington
1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
Bloomington MN 55431-3096
USA
952-563-4882 (voice)
952-563-4672 (fax)
steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us 

>>> "Chris Schumann" <cschumann at twp-llc.com> 4/6/2007 12:10 PM >>>
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:41:50 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
> From: "Nick" <nick at chaska.net>

> I would like to do a dual boot ( XP & Linux ) on my computer. Where can
> I take my computer for help? I live in Chaska. I'm 68 yrs old , so
> please be patient with me.
>
>                Thanks, Nick

Welcome, Nick!

If there's an installfest coming up, that would be a perfect time to do
it. However, there are many places to look for yourself.

I imagine you know you can boot a LiveCD and run Linux that way, without
changing your hard drive. But to really install, you'll need to either
make room on your existing hard drive, which can be tricky, or add another
drive and install Linux on that.

If you can add a drive, that may be the easiest. However, you can use
Knoppix to re-size your existing NTFS partition and go from there.

So we know what we're dealing with, what's your CPU and RAM? And about
your hard drive, what size is it, and how much is used?

Also, do you have a preferred Linux distribution?

Chris




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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu May  3 10:59:42 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:59:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070503123026.GA29225@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> 
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070503123026.GA29225@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20070503155942.B751F27E9@skuld.wookimus.net>

I would agree with James; ipHouse has been good to me.



From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu May  3 11:17:26 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:17:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap Computers Advice (was Re:  Need info)
In-Reply-To: <4639BB68.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us> 
References: <mailman.3.1175878805.9188.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<29158.168.86.12.2.1175879402.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>
	<4639BB68.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20070503161726.B90D827E9@skuld.wookimus.net>

Regarding cheap computers, I wouldn't bother reading the printed
classifieds.  The paper charges some $80 to do the weekend ads, so
you'll be paying for that by proxy when you buy the computer.  Also,
consider that you can generally buy a new cheap computer for under $500
at the major retailers, consistently.  Walmart sells (or used to?)
Linspire boxes on the cheap; a great way to get started with Linux.  Not
sure I would buy from Walmart on moral principle, but it is an optinon.

There are local white-box makers, too.  General Nanosystems
(http://nanosys1.com/) and Tran Micro on University Avenue have pretty
nice little starter systems, sans monitor, in the $300-400 range.  I've
got a 13" and a 17" monitor I'm not using.  One of these days, I'm going
to replace the 19", too, so I'll make that available to the TCLUG
members off our classifieds site.

And there's the segway...  If you have less to spend, first look at the
TCLUG classifieds site.  People are giving away free computers or cheap
computers all the time.  One of these days, I'll be going through my
junk and listing everything there for free.  I've got a couple old
pentium II's I'll probably be getting rid of some time.  I have a couple
cases to get rid of.  I've got an old UltraSparc 5 I'm not using, though
perhaps OpenSolaris 10 might work nicely on it (I've had issues with
Linux on it).

The next stop is Craig's List.  It's free.  You won't be paying for the
seller's listing fees; there are none.  Etc.

Where else.  I think there was a local company that purchases old
systems off of companies and sells them cheaply.  The URL was posted to
this list a while back.

Anyway, you get the idea.  Good luck!



From tompoe at fngi.net  Thu May  3 11:30:50 2007
From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:30:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap Computers Advice (was Re:  Need info)
In-Reply-To: <20070503161726.B90D827E9@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <mailman.3.1175878805.9188.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>	<29158.168.86.12.2.1175879402.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com>	<4639BB68.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>
	<20070503161726.B90D827E9@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <463A0E3A.2070009@fngi.net>

Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Regarding cheap computers, I wouldn't bother reading the printed
> classifieds.  The paper charges some $80 to do the weekend ads, so
> you'll be paying for that by proxy when you buy the computer.  Also,
> consider that you can generally buy a new cheap computer for under $500
> at the major retailers, consistently.  Walmart sells (or used to?)
> Linspire boxes on the cheap; a great way to get started with Linux.  Not
> sure I would buy from Walmart on moral principle, but it is an optinon.
>
> There are local white-box makers, too.  General Nanosystems
> (http://nanosys1.com/) and Tran Micro on University Avenue have pretty
> nice little starter systems, sans monitor, in the $300-400 range.  I've
> got a 13" and a 17" monitor I'm not using.  One of these days, I'm going
> to replace the 19", too, so I'll make that available to the TCLUG
> members off our classifieds site.
>
> And there's the segway...  If you have less to spend, first look at the
> TCLUG classifieds site.  People are giving away free computers or cheap
> computers all the time.  One of these days, I'll be going through my
> junk and listing everything there for free.  I've got a couple old
> pentium II's I'll probably be getting rid of some time.  I have a couple
> cases to get rid of.  I've got an old UltraSparc 5 I'm not using, though
> perhaps OpenSolaris 10 might work nicely on it (I've had issues with
> Linux on it).
>
> The next stop is Craig's List.  It's free.  You won't be paying for the
> seller's listing fees; there are none.  Etc.
>
> Where else.  I think there was a local company that purchases old
> systems off of companies and sells them cheaply.  The URL was posted to
> this list a while back.
>
> Anyway, you get the idea.  Good luck!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   
If I want to buy a cheap computer that has lots of power, I use the 
university computer recycle store.
http://www1.umn.edu/ucs/usedcomp.php
Tom
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu May  3 13:44:48 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:44:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80705011519y52e8e861sc9dd9c2de0b9ede4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011500p4e021dbbo670705b03a750276@mail.gmail.com>
	<741dcbb80705011519y52e8e861sc9dd9c2de0b9ede4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020705031144k372d3274m42caed13898781e6@mail.gmail.com>

Connect your router device before activating your Comcast connection
for the first time. If you don't do that, you have two options:

Option 1: Call Comcast to reset your MAC address registration.

Option 2: Clone your Laptop's MAC address to your router.


-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu May  3 18:17:52 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:17:52 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
Message-ID: <050320072317.4775.463A6DA00009B537000012A722070032010B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I live in the southeast suburbs and I can definitively state that this is NOT true.

I have switched between at least 4 different computers for use as my Smoothwall firewall and all I have ever had to do is power cycle the modem and then wait maybe 5 minutes.

YMMV, as Comcast has bought out different providers within the Twin Cities.
My previous provider was AT&T.

--
==========
Todd Young

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andrew Zbikowski" <andyzib at gmail.com>
> Connect your router device before activating your Comcast connection
> for the first time. If you don't do that, you have two options:
> 
> Option 1: Call Comcast to reset your MAC address registration.
> 
> Option 2: Clone your Laptop's MAC address to your router.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
> 0 rows returned
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Thu May  3 22:28:22 2007
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 22:28:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: ie4linux
Message-ID: <200705040328222656c95dc2@mail.smumn.edu>

I installed SUSE on a HP Laptop and everything so far has been running great. I was a little hesitant but its been really smooth and easy to manage.

As of recent, I have had to deal with users (mostly in Europe)from organizations running on open source. And of course, due to compatibility issues we only support IE. 

I was wondering if there's anyone one the list that has used ie4linux on MAC OS X or Linux?

David 



"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"



From brian at ropers-huilman.net  Thu May  3 22:50:57 2007
From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:50:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: ie4linux
In-Reply-To: <200705040328222656c95dc2@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <200705040328222656c95dc2@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480705032050y3d5ab411lc74cee206e156eb9@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/07, SDALAN04 at smumn.edu <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote:
> I was wondering if there's anyone one the list that has used ie4linux on MAC OS X or Linux?

I've run it, for access to certain sites, and it works just fine. I've
done this on both Gentoo and most recently (K)ubuntu installs.

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman, Director
Systems Administration and Technical Operations
Supercomputing Institute                           <bropers at msi.umn.edu>
599 Walter Library                                   +1 612-626-5948 (V)
117 Pleasant Street S.E.                             +1 612-624-8861 (F)
University of Minnesota                               Twin Cities Campus
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0255                       http://www.msi.umn.edu/


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri May  4 01:22:07 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:22:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Comcast blocking Linksys running openwrt
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020705031144k372d3274m42caed13898781e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705011104o1007949cm7f88ff0738681772@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705011324.25663.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<fc40260f0705011209n7b601718sc941d2fffee2a67d@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011240x67b9a68ap2d142ac9259f5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0705011352x7cc5d89aq5907ccf1406b720f@mail.gmail.com>
	<579c6fd30705011500p4e021dbbo670705b03a750276@mail.gmail.com>
	<741dcbb80705011519y52e8e861sc9dd9c2de0b9ede4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020705031144k372d3274m42caed13898781e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30705032322o5ebd7c10m2ffb7f5835eebaee@mail.gmail.com>

In the end it was hardware. It was very strange that it failed at some
point between being powered off, transported in my car to the new
location, and then powered on. Wish I could have tested it earlier,
but I had to go buy another router.

Thank you to everyone for all the responses.

On a side note, prior to Comcast aquiring Time Warner's customers, I
paid $39.99 per month for cable internet. When I moved, Comcast told
me that it would go up to $62/month unless I also accepted cable TV.
They also charged me almost $50 to transfer the service. So now I pay
$45/month for the internet connection and $9.75 for the most basic
cable package. I found the whole thing very annoying and if I could
have switched service to someone like iphouse I would have.
Unfortunately, it looks like Comcast is the only one that offers
service in my area. Makes a fellow feel powerless.

Cheers!
Eric

On 5/3/07, Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
> Connect your router device before activating your Comcast connection
> for the first time. If you don't do that, you have two options:
>
> Option 1: Call Comcast to reset your MAC address registration.
>
> Option 2: Clone your Laptop's MAC address to your router.
>
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
> 0 rows returned
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From SDALAN04 at smumn.edu  Fri May  4 06:25:07 2007
From: SDALAN04 at smumn.edu (SDALAN04 at smumn.edu)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 06:25:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: ie4linux
Message-ID: <200705041125072156c97d47@mail.smumn.edu>

 Thanks Guys,

I installed in it on SUSE and it works fine I have not had time to debug the application. One of the things that I " NEED" is java run time environment to work with IE. I have looked into running alternatives to Java Sun, but it appears according to many threads on their forum this is not a feature. It would be cool if anyone would take the challenge to document an ie4linux install on MAC OS X =)

Thanks,

David
  
 On Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:26 PM, Larry Rees wrote:

Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:26:50 -0500
From: Larry Rees
To: "SDALAN04 at smumn.edu" 
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: ie4linux

  I've got ie4linux installed on Mandriva 2006 (Free) and it seems to work ok, but I've not used it extensively. Seems to have some limits on features but I can't recall precisely what these are, my primary purpose for installing it was that IE was required by some tax preparation software I was trying to run on my Mandriva box. There was a warning on the ie4linux website where I downloaded it that it shouldn't be used for normal websurfing, but was there for developers to test their programs on IE. I don't know what security probems it opens up, if any, but I got the impresion that it had some. Hope this helps... 

On 5/3/07, SDALAN04 at smumn.edu <SDALAN04 at smumn.edu> wrote: I installed SUSE on a HP Laptop and everything so far has been running great. I was a little hesitant but its been really smooth and easy to manage. 

As of recent, I have had to deal with users (mostly in Europe)from organizations running on open source. And of course, due to compatibility issues we only support IE.

I was wondering if there's anyone one the list that has used ie4linux on MAC OS X or Linux? 

David



"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"


_______________________________________________ 
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 

   
"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds" - Einstein

"Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro!"
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From josh at joshwelch.com  Fri May  4 07:16:27 2007
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 07:16:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: ie4linux
In-Reply-To: <200705040328222656c95dc2@mail.smumn.edu>
References: <200705040328222656c95dc2@mail.smumn.edu>
Message-ID: <20070504071627.uf40uthskagw4k4w@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting SDALAN04 at smumn.edu:

> I installed SUSE on a HP Laptop and everything so far has been 
> running great. I was a little hesitant but its been really smooth and 
> easy to manage.
>
> As of recent, I have had to deal with users (mostly in Europe)from 
> organizations running on open source. And of course, due to 
> compatibility issues we only support IE.
>
> I was wondering if there's anyone one the list that has used ie4linux 
> on MAC OS X or Linux?
>
Huh, looks interesting. I haven't tried that before. I have used 
Crossover Office to run IE on Linux, worked fine. May have to try this 
one some time for s&g.

Josh


From srcfoo at gmail.com  Fri May  4 09:56:39 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:56:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on USB thumbstick links
Message-ID: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone that was at the meeting, thanks for coming! Here are some
links to help you install Linux on a USB disk such as a thumb drive.

Some that I've used
----------------------------------
This one will get the same results I demoed on Wednesday...
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bootable_USB_Key

A good small distro for system recovery...
http://www.sysresccd.org/Howto_install-usb-stick



Some that I haven't used but look promising
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
This site points to a lot of different howtos...
http://www.pendrivelinux.com

A server oriented version...
http://www.linuxonastick.com/


I believe it was Florin who suggested Buildroot. I didn't have a link
but from the description he provided it sounds like it may be this
site http://buildroot.uclibc.org/. If it isn't that site, please
correct me.



This is a list submitted by David Cargo
-------------------------------------------------------------------
These first links deal with Live CDs, because they are related to
flash-resident Linux.

http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php

http://www.livecdnews.com/

http://linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/top-5-linux-live-cddvds.html

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

These are links specific to "Linux on a stick."

http://www.linux-live.org/

http://www.linuxonastick.com/

http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar

http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/FlashPuppy

http://feraga.com/

http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/linux/2006/0731linux1.html


From florin at iucha.net  Fri May  4 10:04:59 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:04:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on USB thumbstick links
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070504150458.GW26854@iucha.net>

On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 09:56:39AM -0500, Eric Peterson wrote:
> I believe it was Florin who suggested Buildroot. I didn't have a link
> but from the description he provided it sounds like it may be this
> site http://buildroot.uclibc.org/. If it isn't that site, please
> correct me.

Buildroot is for those who long for linux-from-scratch and gentoo.

For those that miss slackware, there is http://www.slax.org/ .

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Fri May  4 10:31:55 2007
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:31:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Job opening at Internet Exposure
Message-ID: <200705041031.55625.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

I thought someone on the list might be interested in an opening we have here 
at Internet Exposure.  Please email me off list with any inquiries.

Thank you.


-----------Position description-----------
Internet Exposure
Network Adminstrator 
Full-Time Job

Internet Exposure is a Minnesota Web Development Company specializing in 
database driven websites, custom applications, web marketing and hosting. 
Since 1995, Internet Exposure has provided solutions to help businesses keep 
pace with opportunities offered by Internet technology. Team iE analyzes 
existing sites and offers both design and structural improvements. We also 
suggest vehicles such as search engine optimization and subscriber-based 
e-mail services to draw appropriate traffic to the web site.

http://www.iexposure.com

Schedule: 8-5 / 9-6 M-F
Salary/Wages: 
Location: North East Minneapolis

RESPONSIBILITIES:

Answer and assist customers with issues regarding web hosting, e-mail, 
internet connectivity, etc. 
Assisting the management of IIS and Apache web servers
Log all technical support calls in database
Assist in the management of domain names for customers
Assist clients on site (only an occasional event)
Support internal staff; Linux, Mac and PC environment
Take direction and guidance from senior Network Administrators

QUALIFICATIONS:
Prefer both Linux and Windows server experience
Workstation configuration support (email, ip configuration, dialup setup, 
basic troubleshooting procedures)
Hardware configuration support (basic hardware troubleshooting skills, able to 
take apart and put together a computer system)
Network skills (understanding of routing, switching, bridging, sub netting, 
network troubleshooting, network topologies)
Network security (understanding of firewalls, user permissions, basic security 
procedures)
Customer support skills (phone support, email support, personable)
Provide excellent customer service
Be self motivated and highly organized
Ability to work independently

For this position, we are seeking a technical person to assist in maintaining 
IE?s web hosting and IP environment. We are seeking to add a person 
interested in an opportunity to work with a small exciting firm that offers 
growth potential in an expanding business. We expect a positive attitude, a 
passion for service and the motivation to learn and grow in the technology 
field.  You will work directly with our Project Managers, Developers and 
Sales Managers.

This is an excellent position with great opportunities for a highly organized, 
motivated candidate. E-mail us today and get started on a new career!

Please e-mail your resume and cover letter.
-- 
Bret Baptist
Senior Network Administrator
bbaptist at iexposure.com
Internet Exposure, Inc.
http://www.iexposure.com
(612)676-1946 x17

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing
------------------------------------------


From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Sat May  5 14:12:13 2007
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Trammell)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:12:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070505191213.GA1759@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:11:02AM -0400, Charlie O wrote:
> I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site email
> list and can't get it to respond.
> 
> My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux
> friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and WindowsXP,
> and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.
> 
> So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am
> having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable
> companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers you
> like.

My ISP is Real-Time (http://real-time.com/), which also hosts the TCLUG.
They are more than linux-friendly.  I mean, like, get a room already.

Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless rollout with
more than a little interest....

-- 
trammell at el-swifto.com  9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58  FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5
Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG)      Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat May  5 17:35:35 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 17:35:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705052235.l45MZZa17608@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Dell PowerEdge Servers

Dell PowerEdge 1300's

450mhz & 500mhz with 256mb pc 100 ram.
The 450 has 4x8gb scsi drives in raid 5

The 500mhz has 3x9gb scsi drives in raid 5

No OS. Cd-Rom's and Some form of a Nic card, might be 3com's. Or Dell rebadged 3coms.

$30 for both.



Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com  Sun May  6 10:47:01 2007
From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (nick thompson)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:47:01 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on USB thumbstick links
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <463DF875.5040506@mchsi.com>

Eric Peterson wrote:
> For anyone that was at the meeting, thanks for coming! Here are some
> links to help you install Linux on a USB disk such as a thumb drive.
>
> Some that I've used
> ----------------------------------
> This one will get the same results I demoed on Wednesday...
> http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bootable_USB_Key
>
> A good small distro for system recovery...
> http://www.sysresccd.org/Howto_install-usb-stick
>   
I use system rescue cd all the time, it's one of the *must be in my bag
of tricks* (laptop case) type cds. :) Incredible what that cd can do..

Nick

"All unix, all the time."

http://npt.ath.cx


>
>
> Some that I haven't used but look promising
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This site points to a lot of different howtos...
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com
>
> A server oriented version...
> http://www.linuxonastick.com/
>
>
> I believe it was Florin who suggested Buildroot. I didn't have a link
> but from the description he provided it sounds like it may be this
> site http://buildroot.uclibc.org/. If it isn't that site, please
> correct me.
>
>
>
> This is a list submitted by David Cargo
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> These first links deal with Live CDs, because they are related to
> flash-resident Linux.
>
> http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
>
> http://www.livecdnews.com/
>
> http://linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/top-5-linux-live-cddvds.html
>
> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
>
> These are links specific to "Linux on a stick."
>
> http://www.linux-live.org/
>
> http://www.linuxonastick.com/
>
> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar
>
> http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html
>
> http://puppylinux.org/wikka/FlashPuppy
>
> http://feraga.com/
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/linux/2006/0731linux1.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   



From canito at dalan.us  Sun May  6 18:47:35 2007
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 18:47:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Looking for EPS12V Power Supply
Message-ID: <20070506184735.x2o2wsmy3u00gckw@mail.dalan.us>

Good Day:

I am looking for one ATX EPS12V form power supply for an older motherboard.

I need the EPS12V form to transform it to ATX GES form hopefully to  
get this old server running again.

Thank you,

David

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun May  6 22:25:06 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 22:25:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705070325.l473P6n00389@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon May  7 20:19:02 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:19:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070505191213.GA1759@mail.el-swifto.com>
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070505191213.GA1759@mail.el-swifto.com>
Message-ID: <60588.216.17.75.75.1178587142.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>

> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:11:02AM -0400, Charlie O wrote:
>> I know this has come up before, but I tried searching the TCLUG site
>> email
>> list and can't get it to respond.
>>
>> My daughter wants to set up with a cable or DSL service that is Linux
>> friendly - I set up her new machine to dual boot Mepis 6.5 and
>> WindowsXP,
>> and she wants to make Linux the main internet environment.
>>
>> So, I am asking for suggestions for providers. I have Quest DSL and am
>> having good luck with it so I know that is an option. Are there cable
>> companies that are good to work with? Or, are there wireless providers
>> you
>> like.
>
> My ISP is Real-Time (http://real-time.com/), which also hosts the TCLUG.
> They are more than linux-friendly.  I mean, like, get a room already.
>
> Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless rollout with
> more than a little interest....
>

Is there such a thing as a "linux unfriendly" ISP? I generally fail to see
how the end user OS has anything to do with the ISP. As long as the ISP is
not using some proprietary connection protocol that requires a Windows
driver or something. People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or some other
very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE hardware that does
all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.

The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro area will
participate making a huge connected network. Couple that with mobile VPNs
and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.



From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com  Mon May  7 21:07:09 2007
From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John Trammell)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:07:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <60588.216.17.75.75.1178587142.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <72278d10705030511h1976504cu95c2fdf8920aaa26@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070505191213.GA1759@mail.el-swifto.com>
	<60588.216.17.75.75.1178587142.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <20070508020709.GA23629@mail.el-swifto.com>

On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 08:19:02PM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a "linux unfriendly" ISP? I generally fail to
> see how the end user OS has anything to do with the ISP.

It has everything to do with the quality of customer service you can
expect.  I've had ISPs that would refuse to acknowledge that I had a
service problem, because I was using an "unsupported" OS.  Install
Windows, call us back then.

-- 
trammell at el-swifto.com  9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58  FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5
Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG)      Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota


From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon May  7 22:01:17 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:01:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <60588.216.17.75.75.1178587142.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEHPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci
> >
> > Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless rollout with
> > more than a little interest....
> >
>

> ... People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or
> some other
> very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE
> hardware that does
> all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.

Isn't municipal wireless using a secured protocol and/or spectrum
trick(s) that require the subscriber to have special "demod gear" to get
to an ethernet or 802.11g/b connection for any user(s)??  The subscriber
still must connect to their "modem" and do wired or wireless in the
home.

> The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro
> area will participate making a huge connected network.

Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their home connected
to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth ceiling advantage
over fiber-to-the-home

> Couple that with mobile VPNs
> and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.

Are you sure that mobile VPNs will be supported by municipal wireless
ISPs in the near term?  I'd expect municipal service contracts to differ
from neighboring cities, and that may be a cause for a big delay
(decades?) in having mobile options for that new service.  Cell carrier
services (plue 911 type service carriers) are already capable of
supporting municipal needs, so the justification to scrap equipment and
change to a new scheme may be hard to achieve.

Does a universal municipal wireless system make any sense for bandwidth
utilization or municipal economy?  Would such a system be rated to
operate during emergencies and handle overloads like homecoming weekends
or a big convention around neighborhood schools or whatever?  True
emergency systems must be rated to be operational during major storms
and tornadoes.  An entertainment-mostly wireless system won't be that
robust or it would be very expensive.


Chuck





From strayf at freeshell.org  Mon May  7 22:54:33 2007
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:54:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEHPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEHPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <463FF479.6080303@freeshell.org>

Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci
>>> Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless rollout with
>>> more than a little interest....
>>>
> 
>> ... People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or
>> some other
>> very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE
>> hardware that does
>> all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.
> 
> Isn't municipal wireless using a secured protocol and/or spectrum
> trick(s) that require the subscriber to have special "demod gear" to get
> to an ethernet or 802.11g/b connection for any user(s)??  The subscriber
> still must connect to their "modem" and do wired or wireless in the
> home.

Well, if you take your laptop over to the West Bank neighborhood you can
access their pilot network using a normal wifi card. I think there's
talk about secured protocols etc down the line, but the wireless modems
are supposed to just help get the signal into buildings. At least that's
what I heard in all the information sessions.

>> The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro
>> area will participate making a huge connected network.
> 
> Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their home connected
> to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth ceiling advantage
> over fiber-to-the-home

It's not competing with fiber, it's competing with the cable/dsl duopoly.

>> Couple that with mobile VPNs
>> and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.
> 
> Are you sure that mobile VPNs will be supported by municipal wireless
> ISPs in the near term?  I'd expect municipal service contracts to differ
> from neighboring cities, and that may be a cause for a big delay
> (decades?) in having mobile options for that new service.  Cell carrier
> services (plue 911 type service carriers) are already capable of
> supporting municipal needs, so the justification to scrap equipment and
> change to a new scheme may be hard to achieve.
> 
> Does a universal municipal wireless system make any sense for bandwidth
> utilization or municipal economy?  Would such a system be rated to
> operate during emergencies and handle overloads like homecoming weekends
> or a big convention around neighborhood schools or whatever?  True
> emergency systems must be rated to be operational during major storms
> and tornadoes.  An entertainment-mostly wireless system won't be that
> robust or it would be very expensive.
> 

The first-responder network is supposed to run on a different set of
channels. I don't know what they're doing to ensure it stays up under
load, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the VPN issue.

Personally I think the municipal-owned option should have been
investigated further, but I'm eager to see how this turns out. And
planning to subscribe when it gets to my neighborhood.

-Steve



From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon May  7 23:32:05 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 23:32:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <463FF479.6080303@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Cayford
>
> Chuck Cole wrote:
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci
> >>> Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless
> rollout with
> >>> more than a little interest....
> >>>
> >
> >> ... People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or
> >> some other
> >> very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE
> >> hardware that does
> >> all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.
> >
> > Isn't municipal wireless using a secured protocol and/or spectrum
> > trick(s) that require the subscriber to have special "demod
> gear" to get
> > to an ethernet or 802.11g/b connection for any user(s)??
> The subscriber
> > still must connect to their "modem" and do wired or wireless in the
> > home.
>
> Well, if you take your laptop over to the West Bank
> neighborhood you can
> access their pilot network using a normal wifi card. I think there's
> talk about secured protocols etc down the line, but the
> wireless modems
> are supposed to just help get the signal into buildings. At
> least that's
> what I heard in all the information sessions.

Sounds like big catastrophe (cat ass trophy) for free wireless sites
that visitors to the city or neighborhood could use.  Example: if I went
to a TCLUG meeting at the U, I could not connect to the post-pilot
municipal wireless there since I'm an out-of-town resident.  Why would a
coffee shop offer wireless if their locals used the municipal system?
The whole idea of mobility goes down the tubes real fast as I see it.

Open "g connect" is not how I heard the Chaska system and ones like it
described.  I heard that actual operational systems will not connect to
802.11g or b at all due to major incompatibilities.  I don't believe the
Chaska system and others like it do "g connects", and that is apparently
also due to their subscriber validation and spam suppression topography.

>
> >> The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro
> >> area will participate making a huge connected network.
> >
> > Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> > higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their
> home connected
> > to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth
> ceiling advantage
> > over fiber-to-the-home
>
> It's not competing with fiber, it's competing with the
> cable/dsl duopoly.

They are not different: both use already use some fiber media, and plan
to get fiber to the house.


> >> Couple that with mobile VPNs
> >> and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.
> >
> > Are you sure that mobile VPNs will be supported by
> municipal wireless
> > ISPs in the near term?  I'd expect municipal service
> contracts to differ
> > from neighboring cities, and that may be a cause for a big delay
> > (decades?) in having mobile options for that new service.
> Cell carrier
> > services (plue 911 type service carriers) are already capable of
> > supporting municipal needs, so the justification to scrap
> equipment and
> > change to a new scheme may be hard to achieve.
> >
> > Does a universal municipal wireless system make any sense
> for bandwidth
> > utilization or municipal economy?  Would such a system be rated to
> > operate during emergencies and handle overloads like
> homecoming weekends
> > or a big convention around neighborhood schools or whatever?  True
> > emergency systems must be rated to be operational during
> major storms
> > and tornadoes.  An entertainment-mostly wireless system
> won't be that
> > robust or it would be very expensive.
> >
>
> The first-responder network is supposed to run on a different set of
> channels.

Channels being different is only a small part of the installation issue:
physical distribution and physical antennas are what really count. The
entertainment wireless probably cannot do the emergency job during
sustained storm conditions, etc, unless it is built to do that job and
loaf on "nice days".  Point is that municipalities are unlikely to see
an entertainment ISP as any help or amortization for critical
communications assets.


> I don't know what they're doing to ensure it stays up under
> load, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the VPN issue.

Simple: can the entertainment wireless do municipal duties like cops,
hospitals, ambulances, and fire fighters that need mobility?  Probably
not at all, so the municipal wireless is essentially limited to clear
day entertainment purposes, and that justification basis.


> Personally I think the municipal-owned option should have been
> investigated further, but I'm eager to see how this turns out. And
> planning to subscribe when it gets to my neighborhood.

I'll compare the options.  I can only get Frontier DSL or Charter cable
now... maybe a satellite ISP also.  Frontier doesn't allow alternate DSL
ISPs (might now, but I doubt it).

Sounds like the present descriptions are mostly marketing BS to sell
initial installations.  If the economics of free hotspots are impacted
adversely as I think they are, I'm against the municipal systems.


Chuck






From josh at tcbug.org  Tue May  8 00:47:25 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 00:47:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <463FF479.6080303@freeshell.org>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070508054725.GL59486@tcbug.org>

Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Cayford
> >
> > Chuck Cole wrote:
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci
> > >>> Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless
> > rollout with
> > >>> more than a little interest....
> > >>>
> > >
> > >> ... People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or
> > >> some other
> > >> very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE
> > >> hardware that does
> > >> all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.
> > >
> > > Isn't municipal wireless using a secured protocol and/or spectrum
> > > trick(s) that require the subscriber to have special "demod
> > gear" to get
> > > to an ethernet or 802.11g/b connection for any user(s)??
> > The subscriber
> > > still must connect to their "modem" and do wired or wireless in the
> > > home.
> >
> > Well, if you take your laptop over to the West Bank
> > neighborhood you can
> > access their pilot network using a normal wifi card. I think there's
> > talk about secured protocols etc down the line, but the
> > wireless modems
> > are supposed to just help get the signal into buildings. At
> > least that's
> > what I heard in all the information sessions.
> 
> Sounds like big catastrophe (cat ass trophy) for free wireless sites
> that visitors to the city or neighborhood could use.  Example: if I went
> to a TCLUG meeting at the U, I could not connect to the post-pilot
> municipal wireless there since I'm an out-of-town resident.  Why would a
> coffee shop offer wireless if their locals used the municipal system?
> The whole idea of mobility goes down the tubes real fast as I see it.
> 
> Open "g connect" is not how I heard the Chaska system and ones like it
> described.  I heard that actual operational systems will not connect to
> 802.11g or b at all due to major incompatibilities.  I don't believe the
> Chaska system and others like it do "g connects", and that is apparently
> also due to their subscriber validation and spam suppression topography.
> 
> >
> > >> The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro
> > >> area will participate making a huge connected network.
> > >
> > > Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> > > higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their
> > home connected
> > > to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth
> > ceiling advantage
> > > over fiber-to-the-home
> >
> > It's not competing with fiber, it's competing with the
> > cable/dsl duopoly.
> 
> They are not different: both use already use some fiber media, and plan
> to get fiber to the house.
> 
> 
> > >> Couple that with mobile VPNs
> > >> and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.
> > >
> > > Are you sure that mobile VPNs will be supported by
> > municipal wireless
> > > ISPs in the near term?  I'd expect municipal service
> > contracts to differ
> > > from neighboring cities, and that may be a cause for a big delay
> > > (decades?) in having mobile options for that new service.
> > Cell carrier
> > > services (plue 911 type service carriers) are already capable of
> > > supporting municipal needs, so the justification to scrap
> > equipment and
> > > change to a new scheme may be hard to achieve.
> > >
> > > Does a universal municipal wireless system make any sense
> > for bandwidth
> > > utilization or municipal economy?  Would such a system be rated to
> > > operate during emergencies and handle overloads like
> > homecoming weekends
> > > or a big convention around neighborhood schools or whatever?  True
> > > emergency systems must be rated to be operational during
> > major storms
> > > and tornadoes.  An entertainment-mostly wireless system
> > won't be that
> > > robust or it would be very expensive.
> > >
> >
> > The first-responder network is supposed to run on a different set of
> > channels.
> 
> Channels being different is only a small part of the installation issue:
> physical distribution and physical antennas are what really count. The
> entertainment wireless probably cannot do the emergency job during
> sustained storm conditions, etc, unless it is built to do that job and
> loaf on "nice days".  Point is that municipalities are unlikely to see
> an entertainment ISP as any help or amortization for critical
> communications assets.
> 
> 
> > I don't know what they're doing to ensure it stays up under
> > load, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the VPN issue.
> 
> Simple: can the entertainment wireless do municipal duties like cops,
> hospitals, ambulances, and fire fighters that need mobility?  Probably
> not at all, so the municipal wireless is essentially limited to clear
> day entertainment purposes, and that justification basis.
> 
> 
> > Personally I think the municipal-owned option should have been
> > investigated further, but I'm eager to see how this turns out. And
> > planning to subscribe when it gets to my neighborhood.
> 
> I'll compare the options.  I can only get Frontier DSL or Charter cable
> now... maybe a satellite ISP also.  Frontier doesn't allow alternate DSL
> ISPs (might now, but I doubt it).
> 
> Sounds like the present descriptions are mostly marketing BS to sell
> initial installations.  If the economics of free hotspots are impacted
> adversely as I think they are, I'm against the municipal systems.
> 
> 
> Chuck

And if you think fiber isn't proprietary you ought to take a look at
what companies like Verizon are doing with FIOS...including their
company policy of pulling out the copper to your house after
installing FIOS, of not allowing you to roll back service to copper,
and oh fiber isn't covered by the same laws as copper, they are under
no compulsion to allow anyone else to provide you service.

There are no panaceas.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 01:46:02 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 01:46:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070508054725.GL59486@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCAEMAJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:47 AM
>
> And if you think fiber isn't proprietary you ought to take a look at
> what companies like Verizon are doing with FIOS...including their
> company policy of pulling out the copper to your house after
> installing FIOS, of not allowing you to roll back service to copper,
> and oh fiber isn't covered by the same laws as copper, they are under
> no compulsion to allow anyone else to provide you service.
>
> There are no panaceas.

???  Your comment is a non-sequitur, and I said nothing at all about
panaceas or absence of proprietary differences.  I only said that
different carriers use fibers, not that all security layers were
identical.  My comment about both phone companies and cable companies
using fiber, and planning to-the-house fiber connections is like saying
"most TCLUGers can drive cars".  You previously stated that cable
service and DSL service would not use fiber media, and that seemed kinda
naive to me.

Your comment is technically off-base.  The fiber media is standard
(though there are several types, like several types of coax).  The
carrier and modulation schemes in the fibers are probably standard as
well (different standards most likely), just like T1, etc, of the phone
system no matter what media it is transported in.  At some point the
protocols and encryptions would become proprietary but can be
media-independent.

This digression had little significance for the municipal wireless
issues, and you made no comment for my concern on the likely impact of
municipal wireless on free hotspots.  I think the municipal wireless
will require geographicly specific subscriptions like Chaska does, and
that would become a severe restriction to individual roaming freedom.
If that is the case, then I think municipal wireless is a very, very bad
thing.

Chuck





From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 02:45:05 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:45:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070508072201.GN59486@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMBJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:22 AM
>
> Chuck Cole wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:47 AM
> > >
> > > And if you think fiber isn't proprietary you ought to
> take a look at
> > > what companies like Verizon are doing with FIOS...including their
> > > company policy of pulling out the copper to your house after
> > > installing FIOS, of not allowing you to roll back service
> to copper,
> > > and oh fiber isn't covered by the same laws as copper,
> they are under
> > > no compulsion to allow anyone else to provide you service.
> > >
> > > There are no panaceas.
> >
> > ???  Your comment is a non-sequitur, and I said nothing at all about
> > panaceas or absence of proprietary differences.  I only said that
> > different carriers use fibers, not that all security layers were
> > identical.  My comment about both phone companies and cable
> companies
> > using fiber, and planning to-the-house fiber connections is
> like saying
> > "most TCLUGers can drive cars".  You previously stated that cable
> > service and DSL service would not use fiber media, and that
> seemed kinda
> > naive to me.
> >
>
> When did I say that?  This is my first post to the thread.



You said that in your text that I quoted in your previous post.
That was your second post that you call your first.


> While fiber media is standard, and there are several different types,
> the laws that cover providing service over it are different than the
> laws that cover providing service over copper phone lines.  The
> regulation that comes along with CLEG is what allows you the freedom
> to choose your DSL provider over your copper phone lines.  Fiber isn't
> covered by that, and in fact verizon is going so far as to rip up the
> copper to people's homes when they install FIOS and refusing to
> reinstall it.  Once that's happened you are completely and totally in
> bed with them, they are not legally obligated in any way to allow
> anyone else to provide service to you over the fiber drop to your
> house.

Interesting point, but that's not different from what many of the
wire-to-home cases are.  Apple Valley areas covered by Frontier can't
get a different DSL on that wire, only Frontier's, but they bundle a few
others as ISP options now.  Maybe there's a legal way to prevent having
the copper removed if that in fact provides options not available via
fiber.  Not clear this is a big deal or a new situation in practical
terms.

> > This digression had little significance for the municipal wireless
> > issues, and you made no comment for my concern on the
> likely impact of
> > municipal wireless on free hotspots.  I think the municipal wireless
> > will require geographicly specific subscriptions like
> Chaska does, and
> > that would become a severe restriction to individual
> roaming freedom.
> > If that is the case, then I think municipal wireless is a
> very, very bad
> > thing.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
>
> You might want to consider my reply wasn't specifically targetted at
> you...there are other people participating in the thread as well.

If you aren't responding to me and what I said, don't show my name and
continue as if you are responding to me.  Make your own independent
comments and thread.  Nobody else has participated since you jumped in.

Let's let your media-to-the-house concerns go into another thread (or
die here) and look for any further comments on wireless to continue.
I'm concerned that municipal wireless may be a very bad thing because of
its impact on free WiFi spots and areas.


Chuck


Chuck




From jima at beer.tclug.org  Tue May  8 06:04:19 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:04:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705080603190.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Mon, 7 May 2007, Chuck Cole wrote:
> I'll compare the options.  I can only get Frontier DSL or Charter cable
> now... maybe a satellite ISP also.  Frontier doesn't allow alternate DSL
> ISPs (might now, but I doubt it).

  This may be seen as news to those on the list with Frontier DSL 
terminated by VISI.

      Jima


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Tue May  8 06:08:38 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:08:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEHPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGIEHPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705080604340.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Mon, 7 May 2007, Chuck Cole wrote:
> Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their home connected
> to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth ceiling advantage
> over fiber-to-the-home

  Who's offering FTTH in the Twin Cities?  If "no one," how does a 
bandwidth ceiling advantage/disadvantage matter?

      Jima


From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 06:23:05 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:23:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705080603190.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCMEMFJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jima [mailto:jima at beer.tclug.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:04 AM
> To: Chuck Cole
>
> On Mon, 7 May 2007, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > I'll compare the options.  I can only get Frontier DSL or
> Charter cable
> > now... maybe a satellite ISP also.  Frontier doesn't allow
> alternate DSL
> > ISPs (might now, but I doubt it).
>
>   This may be seen as news to those on the list with Frontier DSL
> terminated by VISI.
>
>       Jima
>

Frontier doesn't allow that in *my* area as I stated.  Services in
different areas seem dependent upon which previous phone company
installed the equipment before Frontier bought them out.  Comparing
options referred to the possible availability of new options here
someday.




From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 06:25:19 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:25:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705080604340.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMFJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jima [mailto:jima at beer.tclug.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:09 AM
> To: Chuck Cole
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
>
>
> On Mon, 7 May 2007, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> > higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their
> home connected
> > to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth
> ceiling advantage
> > over fiber-to-the-home
>
>   Who's offering FTTH in the Twin Cities?  If "no one," how does a
> bandwidth ceiling advantage/disadvantage matter?
>
>       Jima

Significant quantities of equipment has been purchased from local fab
shops.  Dunno what is installed or where.

We weren't discussing mature, readily available, installed options.  The
discussion was about next options like municipal wireless, et al.


Chuck


>




From sraun at fireopal.org  Tue May  8 07:16:56 2007
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:16:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <463FF479.6080303@freeshell.org>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEIACHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070508121656.GA29812@fireopal.org>

On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:32:05PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Cayford
> > The first-responder network is supposed to run on a different set of
> > channels.
> 
> Channels being different is only a small part of the installation issue:
> physical distribution and physical antennas are what really count. The
> entertainment wireless probably cannot do the emergency job during
> sustained storm conditions, etc, unless it is built to do that job and
> loaf on "nice days".  Point is that municipalities are unlikely to see
> an entertainment ISP as any help or amortization for critical
> communications assets.

<snip>

> Sounds like the present descriptions are mostly marketing BS to sell
> initial installations.  If the economics of free hotspots are impacted
> adversely as I think they are, I'm against the municipal systems.

The contract that the City of Minneapolis issued to US Internet calls
for the city to be paying US Internet some amount of money in return
for a network that the city can run all their emergency services on.
If the network US Internet provides cannot meet that spec reliably,
SOMEONE is going to be big trouble.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From josh at tcbug.org  Tue May  8 08:40:11 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:40:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMBJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <20070508072201.GN59486@tcbug.org>
	<DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMBJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070508134011.GO59486@tcbug.org>

> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:47 AM
> > > >
> > > > And if you think fiber isn't proprietary you ought to
> > take a look at
> > > > what companies like Verizon are doing with FIOS...including their
> > > > company policy of pulling out the copper to your house after
> > > > installing FIOS, of not allowing you to roll back service
> > to copper,
> > > > and oh fiber isn't covered by the same laws as copper,
> > they are under
> > > > no compulsion to allow anyone else to provide you service.
> > > >
> > > > There are no panaceas.
> > >
> > > ???  Your comment is a non-sequitur, and I said nothing at all about
> > > panaceas or absence of proprietary differences.  I only said that
> > > different carriers use fibers, not that all security layers were
> > > identical.  My comment about both phone companies and cable
> > companies
> > > using fiber, and planning to-the-house fiber connections is
> > like saying
> > > "most TCLUGers can drive cars".  You previously stated that cable
> > > service and DSL service would not use fiber media, and that
> > seemed kinda
> > > naive to me.
> > >
> >
> > When did I say that?  This is my first post to the thread.
> 
> 
> 
> You said that in your text that I quoted in your previous post.
> That was your second post that you call your first.
> 
> 

You're highly confused...that was my first post to the list on this
thread.  I've never said in this thread or any other thread at all
that cable service and DSL service would not use fiber media.  I think
you need to go back over the thread and look at who actually said what
before you attribute things to people.

I'm also a tad perplexed as to why your response to a private email
from me to you ended up on the list and not even cc'd to me.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From obelin23 at gmail.com  Tue May  8 09:39:08 2007
From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:39:08 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Message-ID: <72278d10705080739v33d1f859n6b864231a8dd52ea@mail.gmail.com>

First of all, thank you all for your responses and feedback.

I should clarify a bit here.  What I am most concerned with, is the internet
connection piece, rather than the ISP piece.

For myself, I am running Quest DSL with the external router they lease, and
have IPHouse as my ISP - I had been on Goldengate before that merged with
IPHouse. IPHouse is great, and I have also had a very good experience with
Quest. Quest has been very stable, and they have dealt with problems
promptly and well. IPHouse has been completely problem free.

So I know DSL is an option, and apparently Cable connections can be used
with Linux also. I know a lot of internet connection offers bundle in the
ISP and the Windows software as part of the package, so I was asking about
connection options where you don't need to take the Windows part of the
package, and have hardware that Linux can talk to.

For now I am suggesting my daughter consider DSL with IPHouse as preferred
option.

Thanks,

Charlie
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 10:36:59 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:36:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070508134011.GO59486@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMPJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:40 AM
> To: Chuck Cole
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
>
>
>
> I'm also a tad perplexed as to why your response to a private email
> from me to you ended up on the list and not even cc'd to me.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Paetzel

Simple: this is a list discussion.  Private contact wasn't invited or
appropriate.


Chuck





From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May  8 11:13:50 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:13:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070508121656.GA29812@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEICCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Raun
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:17 AM
>
> On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:32:05PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Cayford
> > > The first-responder network is supposed to run on a
> different set of
> > > channels.
> >
> > Channels being different is only a small part of the
> installation issue:
> > physical distribution and physical antennas are what really
> count. The
> > entertainment wireless probably cannot do the emergency job during
> > sustained storm conditions, etc, unless it is built to do
> that job and
> > loaf on "nice days".  Point is that municipalities are
> unlikely to see
> > an entertainment ISP as any help or amortization for critical
> > communications assets.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Sounds like the present descriptions are mostly marketing BS to sell
> > initial installations.  If the economics of free hotspots
> are impacted
> > adversely as I think they are, I'm against the municipal systems.
>
> The contract that the City of Minneapolis issued to US Internet calls
> for the city to be paying US Internet some amount of money in return
> for a network that the city can run all their emergency services on.
> If the network US Internet provides cannot meet that spec reliably,
> SOMEONE is going to be big trouble.
>
> --
> Scott Raun
> sraun at fireopal.org


Is that very same network and each of its antennas supposed to provide
free or subscriber public access?  Is this an 802.11g (unlikely)?
Existence of this contract may be true and irrelevant.  Sorry if I
missed the clarification of this here recently.

Chuck




From josh at tcbug.org  Tue May  8 13:01:52 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:01:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMPJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <20070508134011.GO59486@tcbug.org>
	<DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMPJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070508180152.GR59486@tcbug.org>

Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:40 AM
> > To: Chuck Cole
> > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm also a tad perplexed as to why your response to a private email
> > from me to you ended up on the list and not even cc'd to me.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josh Paetzel
> 
> Simple: this is a list discussion.  Private contact wasn't invited or
> appropriate.
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 

You've included people's direct email addresses in the To: headers on
nearly every email you've sent to the list in this thread, except when
I contacted you off list to clear up your mistakes about what I had or
hadn't previously said...then you move it strictly on-list and claim
that off-list contact is not appropriate.

In case your mail client threading or filtering is really bad and
getting you confused take a look at
http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2007-May/thread.html

Take a look at your reply to my post, where you claim that I've said
something I didn't say, then further along where you claim my first
post to the thread is really my second.  You've completely confused me
with someone else, which is understandable if your mail client doesn't
handle message threading and/or mailing lists well, but to drag
pointing that out back on-list is sort of childish, as is claiming
off-list contact isn't appropriate when you're mailing people directly
with every post you make yourself.

But since you insist on it being on-list, how about an on-list, 'yeah,
you never said that.' ??

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From marc at e-skinner.net  Tue May  8 14:15:22 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 14:15:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
In-Reply-To: <20070508180152.GR59486@tcbug.org>
References: <20070508134011.GO59486@tcbug.org>	<DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCOEMPJPAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<20070508180152.GR59486@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <4640CC4A.3010707@e-skinner.net>

lets move on :)


From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed May  9 07:57:01 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 07:57:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web cams and linux
Message-ID: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>

just picked up a logitech fusion 1.3m pixel from compusa for %40 off the 
other day.  anybody out there been using webcams with linux?  anyone 
want to suggest their favorite webcam application?  has anyone had any 
luck with this particular webcam?

thanks!




From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed May  9 09:06:26 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:06:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web cams and linux
In-Reply-To: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>
References: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <200705090906.27194.tclug@lizakowski.com>


There's a new standard for webcams called UVC.  It's a generic protocol across 
USB, and hopefully will allow the OS to use one driver for most webcams 
(which is great for Linux, since Mfrs usually don't give us drivers).  Some 
of the newer webcams use this protocol.  

http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/

Jeremy

> just picked up a logitech fusion 1.3m pixel from compusa for %40 off the
> other day.  anybody out there been using webcams with linux?  anyone
> want to suggest their favorite webcam application?  has anyone had any
> luck with this particular webcam?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Wed May  9 10:21:36 2007
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:21:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web cams and linux
In-Reply-To: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>
References: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <20070509152136.GA11267@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:57:01AM -0500, Marc Skinner wrote:
> just picked up a logitech fusion 1.3m pixel from compusa for %40 off the 
> other day.  anybody out there been using webcams with linux?  anyone 
> want to suggest their favorite webcam application?  has anyone had any 
> luck with this particular webcam?
> 
> thanks!

My favorite webcam app would have to be hasciicam! :
http://ascii.dyne.org/

Kelly
KB0GBJ


From rclark at lakesplus.com  Wed May  9 10:41:11 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:41:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] consulting rates?
In-Reply-To: <4639B42C.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>
References: <694fa1450704031848w75bfde39mab703be4bde2f0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070404145809.70927.qmail@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4639B42C.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>
Message-ID: <1178725271.8935.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>


If you work on projects 50% of the time you will be doing good as a
consultant ... if you are doing job shop type work (warm body for hire)
that is different as you end up with long term jobs that way and are not
really consulting ... 

In general ... assuming 40-50% billable time is reasonable - once you
get up and going.  They also say to have 6 months salary sitting in the
bank if you are to start on your own as the startup time can be lean.

Just my thoughts ... as someone who has been an independent consultant
and works for a firm that does strictly consulting everyday.

Randy

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 10:06 -0500, Steven White wrote:
> I don't do consulting but I wondered once how much I would have to
> charge if I did.
>  
> I went to my employer's HR department and asked them for everything
> they contributed for me to various places.  That included FICA,
> Medicare, pension, life insurance, long-term disability, their share
> of medical insurance, dental insurance, etc..  I added that to my
> salary to come up with the amount of money I would have to get to have
> the same income I have as an employee (because I would have to pay my
> own FICA, life insurance, long-term disability, etc.).
>  
> Then I tried to figure out how many days in a year I would actually
> work.  The 52 weeks times five days per week has to have subtracted
> from it holidays, vacations, and maybe a little sick leave.
>  
> Then I took the advice of the consulting books to realize that I would
> not work eight hours every day.  In fact, considering overhead,
> travel, education, and so on, I might average only six hours of time
> each day that I could in good conscience bill for.
>  
> Finally, I divided dollars by hours to get an hourly figure.  I think
> that at the time is was around $52.
>  
> Steven White
> City of Bloomington
> 1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
> Bloomington MN 55431-3096
> USA
> 952-563-4882 (voice)
> 952-563-4672 (fax)
> steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us
> 
> >>> Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> 4/4/2007 9:58 AM >>>
> What I did was take what I was making as a full time developer, add in
> 7.5% for the self employment taxes, Another 6% for vacation/sick and
> then a fixed monthly charge for insurance, etc if you need to.  Then
> split this all up to an hourly charge.
> 
> Remember that there is always down time between contracts, so short
> term contracts need to charge more for the between the gaps overhead.
> 
> I was charging $72/hr for short term and $60 long term YMMV.
> 
> At one point I was working for a contract house (at $30/hr + benefits)
> and I later found out the contract house was charging the client
> $75/hr.  They were making a VERY nice profit on my labor.
> 
> Dave Dash <dave.dash at gmail.com> wrote:
>         I've seen people charge anywhere from $25-100/hr for various
>         computer related consulting.  Unfortunately nobody likes to
>         share how much they charge as it tends to be a not for public
>         consumption.  
>         
>         If I weren't already doing some consulting (albeit on the
>         side), I'd pick a number between $25-100 that is more than
>         what I'd be making at a similar full time or even contract gig
>         (and you can call recruiters to find those out).  Then just
>         keep to that.  But really the rate doesn't matter so much as
>         the quality of service.... of course, I'm not the small
>         business owner cutting you the check, so what do I know. 
>         
>         -d
>         
>         On 4/3/07, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote: 
>                 Guys,
>                 
>                 What are some good resources on consulting rates?  I'm
>                 talking to a
>                 small business owner about Linux support and
>                 consulting for their shop.
>                 Mainly remote troubleshooting, with bulk work during
>                 weekends, if 
>                 need be.
>                 
>                 Thanks,
>                 florin
>                 
>                 --
>                 Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
>                       http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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>                 
>         
>         
>         
>         -- 
>         Dave Dash
>         612.670.0621
>         Discover your favorite restaurant: reviewsby.us
>         gtalk: dave.dash
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> --- 
> Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those 
> 3943 Penn Ave. N.          | who say to God, "Thy will be done," 
> Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, 
> (612) 522-7003             | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Wed May  9 11:13:49 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:13:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
Message-ID: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Does anyone use something out there other than rdesktop for terminal
server connections?  I seem to have some issues at times with odd
behavior and was curious if anyone used something else.

thanks in advance.

Randy




From jeruvin at gmail.com  Wed May  9 11:29:28 2007
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:29:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>

I was having problems with using rdesktop that wasn't the newest 1.5  I'm
curious to hear if you are using an older version?

Jason

On 5/9/07, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone use something out there other than rdesktop for terminal
> server connections?  I seem to have some issues at times with odd
> behavior and was curious if anyone used something else.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Wed May  9 12:22:40 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:22:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
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References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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1.4.1 ... I tried yum update - but it said "Could not find update match
for rdesktop"

it is for FC5.

randy


On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 11:29 -0500, jason reynolds wrote:
> I was having problems with using rdesktop that wasn't the newest 1.5
> I'm curious to hear if you are using an older version?
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 5/9/07, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>         
>         Does anyone use something out there other than rdesktop for
>         terminal
>         server connections?  I seem to have some issues at times with
>         odd
>         behavior and was curious if anyone used something else.
>         
>         thanks in advance. 
>         
>         Randy
>         
>         
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed May  9 12:33:35 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:33:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Wed, 9 May 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> 1.4.1 ... I tried yum update - but it said "Could not find update match
> for rdesktop"
>
> it is for FC5.

  It might be worth noting that FC5 is going EOL in about two months. 
Additionally, FC6 does have rdesktop-1.5.0 in updates.  Fedora 7 will also 
have 1.5.0 when it ships, err, later this month, I guess.
  FWIW... :-)

      Jima


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Wed May  9 13:24:00 2007
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:24:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] consulting rates?
In-Reply-To: <1178725271.8935.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <694fa1450704031848w75bfde39mab703be4bde2f0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070404145809.70927.qmail@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4639B42C.A690.0025.0@ci.bloomington.mn.us>
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Having six months of expenses saved up to be a most excellent idea. Even if
you have a steady job it's peace of mind that helps you sleep at night.

jason

On 5/9/07, Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you work on projects 50% of the time you will be doing good as a
> consultant ... if you are doing job shop type work (warm body for hire)
> that is different as you end up with long term jobs that way and are not
> really consulting ...
>
> In general ... assuming 40-50% billable time is reasonable - once you
> get up and going.  They also say to have 6 months salary sitting in the
> bank if you are to start on your own as the startup time can be lean.
>
> Just my thoughts ... as someone who has been an independent consultant
> and works for a firm that does strictly consulting everyday.
>
> Randy
>
> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 10:06 -0500, Steven White wrote:
> > I don't do consulting but I wondered once how much I would have to
> > charge if I did.
> >
> > I went to my employer's HR department and asked them for everything
> > they contributed for me to various places.  That included FICA,
> > Medicare, pension, life insurance, long-term disability, their share
> > of medical insurance, dental insurance, etc..  I added that to my
> > salary to come up with the amount of money I would have to get to have
> > the same income I have as an employee (because I would have to pay my
> > own FICA, life insurance, long-term disability, etc.).
> >
> > Then I tried to figure out how many days in a year I would actually
> > work.  The 52 weeks times five days per week has to have subtracted
> > from it holidays, vacations, and maybe a little sick leave.
> >
> > Then I took the advice of the consulting books to realize that I would
> > not work eight hours every day.  In fact, considering overhead,
> > travel, education, and so on, I might average only six hours of time
> > each day that I could in good conscience bill for.
> >
> > Finally, I divided dollars by hours to get an hourly figure.  I think
> > that at the time is was around $52.
> >
> > Steven White
> > City of Bloomington
> > 1800 W Old Shakopee Rd
> > Bloomington MN 55431-3096
> > USA
> > 952-563-4882 (voice)
> > 952-563-4672 (fax)
> > steven.white at ci.bloomington.mn.us
> >
> > >>> Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> 4/4/2007 9:58 AM >>>
> > What I did was take what I was making as a full time developer, add in
> > 7.5% for the self employment taxes, Another 6% for vacation/sick and
> > then a fixed monthly charge for insurance, etc if you need to.  Then
> > split this all up to an hourly charge.
> >
> > Remember that there is always down time between contracts, so short
> > term contracts need to charge more for the between the gaps overhead.
> >
> > I was charging $72/hr for short term and $60 long term YMMV.
> >
> > At one point I was working for a contract house (at $30/hr + benefits)
> > and I later found out the contract house was charging the client
> > $75/hr.  They were making a VERY nice profit on my labor.
> >
> > Dave Dash <dave.dash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         I've seen people charge anywhere from $25-100/hr for various
> >         computer related consulting.  Unfortunately nobody likes to
> >         share how much they charge as it tends to be a not for public
> >         consumption.
> >
> >         If I weren't already doing some consulting (albeit on the
> >         side), I'd pick a number between $25-100 that is more than
> >         what I'd be making at a similar full time or even contract gig
> >         (and you can call recruiters to find those out).  Then just
> >         keep to that.  But really the rate doesn't matter so much as
> >         the quality of service.... of course, I'm not the small
> >         business owner cutting you the check, so what do I know.
> >
> >         -d
> >
> >         On 4/3/07, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
> >                 Guys,
> >
> >                 What are some good resources on consulting rates?  I'm
> >                 talking to a
> >                 small business owner about Linux support and
> >                 consulting for their shop.
> >                 Mainly remote troubleshooting, with bulk work during
> >                 weekends, if
> >                 need be.
> >
> >                 Thanks,
> >                 florin
> >
> >                 --
> >                 Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
> >                       http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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> >                 tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >                 http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         --
> >         Dave Dash
> >         612.670.0621
> >         Discover your favorite restaurant: reviewsby.us
> >         gtalk: dave.dash
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those
> > 3943 Penn Ave. N.          | who say to God, "Thy will be done,"
> > Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right,
> > (612) 522-7003             | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis
> >
> >
> >
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From auditodd at comcast.net  Wed May  9 13:44:11 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:44:11 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Solid State Hard Drive question/opinions?
Message-ID: <050920071844.16494.4642167B0007C5090000406E22007621940B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

OK, so I've heard all the "great" news about SSHD products.

Here is one example:
http://www.sandisk.com/Oem/Default.aspx?CatID=1477

And I've found this 2GB SSHD for a decent price (all things considered):
http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?ItemID=TS2GIFD25

But then I read that they are all "flash based" which leads me to wonder, just how long will one of these "miracle" hard drives last?

Has flash based memory MTTF specs increased enough that these solid state hard drives will last 3-5 years before failing just like a normal platter-based hard drive?

I'm using an archaic 3GB hard drive in my Smoothwall firewall and while it whines a little when spinning, it still functions. I also know that there are "hacks" out there to run Smoothwall from RAM utilizing the hard drive as a read only device (people do this with compact flash drives), but that is a lot of extra work that I don't feel like bothering with.

My next project is going to be a low-power firewall with a mini-ITX board and one of these solid state hard drives would be ideal IF they have a decent MTTF rating.

Thanks for any/all input/feedback.

--
==========
Todd Young


From niels.gott at gmail.com  Wed May  9 14:40:04 2007
From: niels.gott at gmail.com (Niels Gott)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:40:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Message-ID: <e9fa63d60705091240n4f6ed72bxa2c7cf76717000b1@mail.gmail.com>

What's upChuck?

Sorry, couldn't resist being childish myself!

But Mark's right, it is time to move on.  Can't we all just get along? :-)

-Niels


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
To: Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:01:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Chuck Cole wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh Paetzel [mailto:josh at tcbug.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:40 AM
> > To: Chuck Cole
> > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm also a tad perplexed as to why your response to a private email
> > from me to you ended up on the list and not even cc'd to me.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josh Paetzel
>
> Simple: this is a list discussion.  Private contact wasn't invited or
> appropriate.
>
>
> Chuck
>

You've included people's direct email addresses in the To: headers on
nearly every email you've sent to the list in this thread, except when
I contacted you off list to clear up your mistakes about what I had or
hadn't previously said...then you move it strictly on-list and claim
that off-list contact is not appropriate.

In case your mail client threading or filtering is really bad and
getting you confused take a look at
http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2007-May/thread.html

Take a look at your reply to my post, where you claim that I've said
something I didn't say, then further along where you claim my first
post to the thread is really my second.  You've completely confused me
with someone else, which is understandable if your mail client doesn't
handle message threading and/or mailing lists well, but to drag
pointing that out back on-list is sort of childish, as is claiming
off-list contact isn't appropriate when you're mailing people directly
with every post you make yourself.

But since you insist on it being on-list, how about an on-list, 'yeah,
you never said that.' ??

--
Thanks,

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From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed May  9 14:48:25 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:48:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705091227070.7527@beer.tclug.org>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>	<1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Jima wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
>   
>> 1.4.1 ... I tried yum update - but it said "Could not find update match
>> for rdesktop"
>>
>> it is for FC5.
>>     
>
>   It might be worth noting that FC5 is going EOL in about two months. 
> Additionally, FC6 does have rdesktop-1.5.0 in updates.  Fedora 7 will also 
> have 1.5.0 when it ships, err, later this month, I guess.
>   FWIW... :-)
>
>       Jima
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



try tsclient.  i use rdesktop with no issues on fc6.


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Wed May  9 16:24:16 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:24:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Magazines
Message-ID: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>

I am sending out for comments on the various linux magazines in print (ie,
Linux Journal).  I'm curious to know what people like reading, and who the
magazine is typically geared towards (beginners, users, hackers, etc.).

Thanks.
- Joey Rockhold
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed May  9 17:15:04 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:15:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Magazines
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <464247E8.6030405@e-skinner.net>

Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I am sending out for comments on the various linux magazines in print 
> (ie, Linux Journal).  I'm curious to know what people like reading, 
> and who the magazine is typically geared towards (beginners, users, 
> hackers, etc.).
>
> Thanks.
> - Joey Rockhold
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   
i subscribe to sysadmin, linux journal and linux magazine.

all are great.

sysadmin, is for "sysadmins" - linux/solaris mostly - but hpux/aix stuff 
as well
linux journal - my favorite - a good mix for all - hackers, coders, 
sysadmins - a little too assuming for beginners is my take
linux magazine - good, kinda link the "* for dummies" line of books, 
geared for beginners but there are always nuggets of treasure in there.

linux format - i've gotten that a few times, it seems to be mostly 
software reviews - i like the real world stuff that 
"journal/magazine/sysadmin" interject.

my 2 cents.


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Wed May  9 17:23:25 2007
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:23:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <46422589.5060708@e-skinner.net>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/9/07, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> try tsclient.  i use rdesktop with no issues on fc6.

Actually, rdesktop is a GUI for tsclient. Google should yield many
sites with rdesktop 1.5 RPMs...

-jth

-- 
John T. Hoffoss
Information Security Professional
http://john.t.hoffoss.googlepages.com/


From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed May  9 18:49:27 2007
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:49:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	
	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>	
	<1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>	
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705091227070.7527@beer.tclug.org>	
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	<914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46425E07.5020505@e-skinner.net>

John T. Hoffoss wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
>> try tsclient.  i use rdesktop with no issues on fc6.
>
> Actually, rdesktop is a GUI for tsclient. Google should yield many
> sites with rdesktop 1.5 RPMs...
>
> -jth
>
hmm, learn something everyday.  i guess i use it then ;)


From josh at tcbug.org  Wed May  9 19:29:04 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:29:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Solid State Hard Drive question/opinions?
In-Reply-To: <050920071844.16494.4642167B0007C5090000406E22007621940B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <050920071844.16494.4642167B0007C5090000406E22007621940B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20070510002904.GE25890@tcbug.org>

auditodd at comcast.net wrote:
> OK, so I've heard all the "great" news about SSHD products.
> 
> Here is one example:
> http://www.sandisk.com/Oem/Default.aspx?CatID=1477
> 
> And I've found this 2GB SSHD for a decent price (all things considered):
> http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?ItemID=TS2GIFD25
> 
> But then I read that they are all "flash based" which leads me to wonder, just how long will one of these "miracle" hard drives last?
> 
> Has flash based memory MTTF specs increased enough that these solid state hard drives will last 3-5 years before failing just like a normal platter-based hard drive?
> 
> I'm using an archaic 3GB hard drive in my Smoothwall firewall and while it whines a little when spinning, it still functions. I also know that there are "hacks" out there to run Smoothwall from RAM utilizing the hard drive as a read only device (people do this with compact flash drives), but that is a lot of extra work that I don't feel like bothering with.
> 
> My next project is going to be a low-power firewall with a mini-ITX board and one of these solid state hard drives would be ideal IF they have a decent MTTF rating.
> 
> Thanks for any/all input/feedback.
> 
> --
> ==========
> Todd Young
> 

Flash has a fantastic MTBF if you don't write to it, which for a
router/firewall you hardly ever do.  I typically boot routers and
firewalls off flash, if they need extra functionality I hang a regular
hard drive off them but set it up so that a hard drive failure doesn't
keep the system from coming up multiuser and routing.

I've also booted fileservers and such off flash when they had striped
software RAID arrays that weren't bootable directly and I didn't feel
like making seperate filesystems off the RAID for booting from.  In
either application the flash has been far more reliable than any hard
drive ever will be.

Pretty much every hardware router and firewall out there owes it's
reliability to the lack of a hard-drive.

You can get an IDE-> compact flash adapter and 1 gig flash card from
newegg for ~$30 or so after shipping.  More than enough storage for a
firewall/router.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From jglouisjr at gmail.com  Wed May  9 20:40:27 2007
From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:40:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for dsl modem
Message-ID: <25df3f980705091840v152b3508o6cac7f46dce6469@mail.gmail.com>

I'm setting my mom up with internet access but I can't find my 678. If
anyone has a dsl modem they would be willing to part with that would be
great. Email me jglouisjr at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Jim

-- 
James Louis
Computer Consultant
http://technogichida.endoftheinternet.org

===[making technology work]========

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not
giving the kiss the attention it deserves."
     - Albert Einstein
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed May  9 20:46:30 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:46:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705100146.l4A1kUs17879@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want for Free

Subject: dsl modem

Looking to set up internet access for my mom. She has Qwest DSL but I can't find my old 678 modem. If you have to one to give please email me at jglouisjr at gmail dot com. Thanks, Jim

Seller Email address: jglouisjr at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From jus at krytosvirus.com  Wed May  9 21:32:54 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:32:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for dsl modem
In-Reply-To: <25df3f980705091840v152b3508o6cac7f46dce6469@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25df3f980705091840v152b3508o6cac7f46dce6469@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705092132.55560.jus@krytosvirus.com>

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 20:40, James Louis wrote:
> I'm setting my mom up with internet access but I can't find my 678. If
> anyone has a dsl modem they would be willing to part with that would be
> great. Email me jglouisjr at gmail dot com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
http://www.cisco678.com/

Not free, but they are local.


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Wed May  9 21:33:39 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:33:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] recover cell phon GPS ??
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0704201634i3fe34078m33464a9e93218826@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a470a5f0704201634i3fe34078m33464a9e93218826@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0705092133020.28828@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Harv Nelson wrote:
> I'm thinking of hanging one of those cheapie prepaid walmart Variety 
> TRACphones...on my puppy's harness.  the next time she takes off after 
> a deer or kid on a bicycle. i'll be able to know exactlywhere she is 
> with no chasing, yelling or crying by pluging the numbers into map 
> quest or google earth. I can know exactly where she is and if I do it 
> quickly enough ... how she got there.

Uh, wow.

http://tinyurl.com/2993mf

If you got a budget.. there'ya go.  :)

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com  Wed May  9 22:07:26 2007
From: mattjohnson2005 at gmail.com (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:07:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for dsl modem
In-Reply-To: <25df3f980705091840v152b3508o6cac7f46dce6469@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25df3f980705091840v152b3508o6cac7f46dce6469@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d3948c70705092007te2368bbnffe2b851d7854430@mail.gmail.com>

I got an actiontec on craigslist for $20.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ele/
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/ele?query=dsl&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/sys?query=dsl&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max


On 5/9/07, James Louis <jglouisjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm setting my mom up with internet access but I can't find my 678. If
> anyone has a dsl modem they would be willing to part with that would be
> great. Email me jglouisjr at gmail dot com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
> --
> James Louis
> Computer Consultant
> http://technogichida.endoftheinternet.org
>
> ===[making technology work]========
>
> "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not
> giving the kiss the attention it deserves."
>      - Albert Einstein
> _______________________________________________
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From stuff at cb1inc.com  Wed May  9 22:58:55 2007
From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 22:58:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Magazines
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4642987F.9020303@cb1inc.com>

I have bought many Linux magazines and Linux Format is by far my 
favorite.  Yeah, it's expensive and a light on hardware stuff, but I 
think it has really good content and well worth the price.  Maybe it's 
just me, but it seems that UK magazines have less advertisements.

I also have a SysAdmin subscription but the topics cover pretty specific 
stuff, so there might be something worth reading every other month.

- Chris


Joey Rockhold wrote:
> I am sending out for comments on the various linux magazines in print 
> (ie, Linux Journal).  I'm curious to know what people like reading, 
> and who the magazine is typically geared towards (beginners, users, 
> hackers, etc.).
>
> Thanks.
> - Joey Rockhold
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu May 10 09:10:45 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705091227070.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<46422589.5060708@e-skinner.net>
	<914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070510141045.2093B2AC7@skuld.wookimus.net>

John T. Hoffoss <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, rdesktop is a GUI for tsclient. Google should yield many
> sites with rdesktop 1.5 RPMs...

Sorry, John.  You have it backwards.  rdesktop is the command-line
application.  tsclient is a Gnome front-end for rdesktop.  grdesktop is
another Gnome front-end.  From the description of tsclient in the Debian
package:

	"tsclient is a GNOME program for remotely accessing Microsoft
	 Windows NT/2000 Terminal Services and XP Remote Desktop Sharing
	 as implemented by the Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP). Using the
	 rdesktop program as a backend, tsclient allows users to access
	 and view their desktops as stored on remote Windows NT/2000/XP
	 servers."

Enjoy!

Chad



From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Thu May 10 10:25:55 2007
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:25:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to rdesktop?
In-Reply-To: <20070510141045.2093B2AC7@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705091227070.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<46422589.5060708@e-skinner.net>
	<914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070510141045.2093B2AC7@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <914f813c0705100825y9985152s3c88eef643a04562@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/10/07, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
> Sorry, John.  You have it backwards.  rdesktop is the command-line
> application.  tsclient is a Gnome front-end for rdesktop.  grdesktop is
> another Gnome front-end.

Ya know, I *knew* I was going to get that backwards, and I still
didn't google first...that'll teach me for using a mac more often than
Linux lately.

-jth

-- 
John T. Hoffoss
Information Security Professional
http://john.t.hoffoss.googlepages.com/


From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com  Thu May 10 10:34:02 2007
From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:34:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Magazines
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0705091424l7704fa60h7c0be46fbe758264@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <914f813c0705100834m5804db27ycde2aab1ce0d6d37@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/9/07, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am sending out for comments on the various linux magazines in print (ie,
> Linux Journal).  I'm curious to know what people like reading, and who the
> magazine is typically geared towards (beginners, users, hackers, etc.).

I did subscribe to Linux Journal, a good mag and good columnists, but
I let my subscription lapse when Nicholas Petreley took over as Editor
in Chief. I don't care for his writing style or the changes he's made
to the mag, although I think he brought Mick Bauer back for his
Paranoid Penguin article on Linux security, which is a very Good
Thing.

-jth

-- 
John T. Hoffoss
Information Security Professional
http://john.t.hoffoss.googlepages.com/


From mike at mikerochford.com  Wed May  9 10:24:34 2007
From: mike at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:24:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] web cams and linux
In-Reply-To: <200705090906.27194.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4641C51D.9010808@e-skinner.net>
	<200705090906.27194.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <4641E7B2.9070106@mikerochford.com>

You also could look at this site.

http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html

This was on digg not to long ago.

Jeremy wrote:
> There's a new standard for webcams called UVC.  It's a generic protocol across 
> USB, and hopefully will allow the OS to use one driver for most webcams 
> (which is great for Linux, since Mfrs usually don't give us drivers).  Some 
> of the newer webcams use this protocol.  
> 
> http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> just picked up a logitech fusion 1.3m pixel from compusa for %40 off the
>> other day.  anybody out there been using webcams with linux?  anyone
>> want to suggest their favorite webcam application?  has anyone had any
>> luck with this particular webcam?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From josh at joshwelch.com  Thu May 10 11:24:28 2007
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:24:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Linux Commercials (was Alternative to rdesktop?)
In-Reply-To: <914f813c0705100825y9985152s3c88eef643a04562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1178727229.8935.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6eb23c4e0705090929v5e431f1bw4456018e106d697b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1178731360.8935.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705091227070.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<46422589.5060708@e-skinner.net>
	<914f813c0705091523g6eacf258r2b5ea829250bb1ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070510141045.2093B2AC7@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<914f813c0705100825y9985152s3c88eef643a04562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070510112428.prjarsbm0x0kkgk0@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com>

Quoting "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com>:
>
> Ya know, I *knew* I was going to get that backwards, and I still
> didn't google first...that'll teach me for using a mac more often than
> Linux lately.
>

This is a pointless divergence and I apologize, but John's reference to 
a Mac and Linux reminded me that I saw this the other day. Pretty 
entertaining.

http://www.novell.com/linux/meetlinux/

Josh


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat May 12 12:36:35 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:36:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705121736.l4CHaZ027324@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: P4 2.8ghz Small Form Factor

I have a Pentium 4 2.8ghz 533FSB computer for sale.

It has:
A small form factor case
1GB RAM
80GB EIDE Hard Drive
DVD/CDRW drive
USB 2.0
Firewire
Onboard graphics/lan/sound
1 AGP slot
1 PCI slot

Was running CentOS 4.4

$300 obo
Email me with questions.

Thanks!

Seller Email address: hansone at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From tlunde at gmail.com  Sat May 12 14:17:08 2007
From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:17:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Request for HDTV stream sample for testing
Message-ID: <4e291ac30705121217l6708f0f7r494111bdfb10a2eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -

I'm looking for two samples (pref. 30 minute chunks) of HDTV, one in
720p and one in 1080i.  Ideally, these would come from an HD Homerun,
but it really shouldn't matter. I just the the raw bitstream that was
broadcasted over the air.

Can you help?  I know it'd be a bit of a pain to put on DVD, but I'll
happily trade a six pack of your favorite beverage for the favor.  All
of the samples I can find on the net of the program streams (transport
streams?) are only a few seconds long.  I don't much care what the
content is, but would prefer at least a bit of motion: it'd be harder
to see frames being dropped in a static shot of a flower garden.  ;-)

If you know if longer samples on the net, pointers would be great.
But, since we're talking many gigabytes of data, I'm not surprised
that I can find a lot for downloading.

In case anyone's wondering, I've got a system that is right on the
line of what I think will handle the playback without requiring XvMC &
I'm trying to figure out which side of the line it's really on.  I'm
thinking about picking up a HD Homerun, but if the budget for toys
needs to get spent to upgrade the playback hardware first then it'll
have to be put off a bit.

Email or call (612) seven zero eight 7101 if you can help.

Thanks!
thomas


From florin at iucha.net  Sat May 12 23:00:54 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:00:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] P4 motherboard with support for ECC memory?
Message-ID: <20070513040054.GQ26751@iucha.net>

Hello,

Does anybody have a P4 motherboard that supports ECC memory, gathering
dust?  Please let me know the model and how much you would like for
it.

Thanks,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From florin at iucha.net  Sun May 13 09:06:23 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:06:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] P4 motherboard with support for ECC memory?
In-Reply-To: <20070513040054.GQ26751@iucha.net>
References: <20070513040054.GQ26751@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <20070513140623.GS26751@iucha.net>

On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 11:00:54PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote:
> Does anybody have a P4 motherboard that supports ECC memory, gathering
> dust?  Please let me know the model and how much you would like for
> it.

A clarification: I'm looking for a board that can has Socket 478 and
can take DDR400 ECC.

Thanks,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From josh at tcbug.org  Mon May 14 21:35:21 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:35:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] wrt54-g madness with TCBUG this Thursday
Message-ID: <20070515023521.GG97157@tcbug.org>

I guess I should've sent a follow-up to the list sooner, but time sure
flies this time of year.  As I've posted previously there's a number
of us in the Twin Cities BSD User's Group that have or are interested
in getting linksys wrt54g routers, so our meeting for this month is
sort of a show n tell of what these things are capable of.  Feel free
to bring a wrt or hack on mine, it's not really doing anything right
now so as long as it doesn't end up totally bricked we can do whatever
we want to it.  (It's running dd-wrt at the moment).  I'll have a
machine with that can samba mount or nfs mount if we need storage,
there's wireless networking and net access at the venue, it should be
a fun time.

Details:

This Thursday the 17th from 6:30pm to 8:30ish or so at Advantage Labs
in Minneapolis.  The address for Advantage Labs is: 

2104 Stevens Avenue
Minneapolis, MN, 55404

Map can be found here:

http://maps.google.com/?q=2104+Stevens+Avenue%2C+Minneapolis%2C+MN%2C+55404%2C+us

Looking forward to seeing you guys there, hopefully we can all learn
a bit about these fun little routers.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue May 15 07:16:02 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:16:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
Message-ID: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

Has anyone run into this?  I edit my crontab with crontab -e, make some
changes in vim and then save the file and exit and crontab tells me no
changes were made.  crontab -l shows that no changes were made.  If I
use xemacs, it works.  If I specify crontab <filename>, the new crontab
is installed as well.  Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks.


________________________________________________________________________

Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
Help Jen and I fight cancer by donating to the Leukemia & Lymphomia
Society
Here's our website: http://www.active.com/donate/tntmn/tntmnJSchewe
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From florin at iucha.net  Tue May 15 07:37:08 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:37:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>

On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:16:02AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote:
> Has anyone run into this?  I edit my crontab with crontab -e, make some
> changes in vim and then save the file and exit and crontab tells me no
> changes were made.  crontab -l shows that no changes were made.  If I
> use xemacs, it works.  If I specify crontab <filename>, the new crontab
> is installed as well.  Anyone have any ideas?

Are you using vim or gvim?  Does it start up in GUI mode?  If so, you
need to set "EDITOR=gvim -f" to have gvim start "in foreground" mode.

By default, gvim forks a separate process, to allow you the use of the
terminal.  The shell or the crontab editor process consider the
termination of the initial gvim process as an indication that the
editor itself terminated.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From sraun at fireopal.org  Tue May 15 10:25:58 2007
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:25:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] In search of 'choose a distro' wizard
Message-ID: <20070515152558.GB22408@fireopal.org>

I remember someone somewhere pointing out a web site that had a
'choose a distro' wizard - it asked a bunch of questions, and then
recommended a distro or two based on your answers.

Was it here?  Does anyone remember such a site, or have one to
recommend?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Tue May 15 10:37:21 2007
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:37:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba - Upgraded this morning - Cannot connect now
Message-ID: <4649D3B1.3020304@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

I have a fairly stock Slackware 11.0 box.  This morning I saw the Samba 
security announcement, so I upgraded my Samba package.

Old package:    samba-3.2.24-i486-1
New package:    samba-3.2.25-i486-1

I downloaded the new package, stopped the samba service, upgraded the 
package, and restarted samba.

Now none of my users can connect to the samba shares.

Did I miss something.

Any Thoughts would be great.

Many Thanks,

Bob


From jima at beer.tclug.org  Tue May 15 10:45:45 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba - Upgraded this morning - Cannot connect now
In-Reply-To: <4649D3B1.3020304@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4649D3B1.3020304@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705151043010.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Robert De Mars wrote:
> I have a fairly stock Slackware 11.0 box.  This morning I saw the Samba
> security announcement, so I upgraded my Samba package.
>
> Old package:    samba-3.2.24-i486-1
> New package:    samba-3.2.25-i486-1
>
> I downloaded the new package, stopped the samba service, upgraded the
> package, and restarted samba.
>
> Now none of my users can connect to the samba shares.

  No idea if it's related, but a recent samba update in Fedora jumped 
versions, introducing some change or another (I forget the details) that 
made the shares inaccessible to XP boxen unless they rebooted.  (Yes, it 
sounds cliche, but it seemed to work.)  Have the users tried rebooting?
  Total shot in the dark...

      Jima


From canito at dalan.us  Tue May 15 10:46:18 2007
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:46:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] In search of 'choose a distro' wizard
In-Reply-To: <20070515152558.GB22408@fireopal.org>
References: <20070515152558.GB22408@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20070515104618.rb7jt0jcpeg0c0wg@mail.dalan.us>

Hi:

http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php

David

Quoting Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org>:

> I remember someone somewhere pointing out a web site that had a
> 'choose a distro' wizard - it asked a bunch of questions, and then
> recommended a distro or two based on your answers.
>
> Was it here?  Does anyone remember such a site, or have one to
> recommend?
>
> --
> Scott Raun
> sraun at fireopal.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Tue May 15 11:02:39 2007
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:02:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba - Upgraded this morning - Cannot connect now
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705151043010.7527@beer.tclug.org>
References: <4649D3B1.3020304@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705151043010.7527@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <4649D99F.2010206@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Jima wrote:
>  No idea if it's related, but a recent samba update in Fedora jumped 
> versions, introducing some change or another (I forget the details) that 
> made the shares inaccessible to XP boxen unless they rebooted.  (Yes, it 
> sounds cliche, but it seemed to work.)  Have the users tried rebooting?
>  Total shot in the dark...
> 
>      Jima

Simply Amazing!  Rebooting worked on the XP boxes.  Thanks!!!
I must need more coffee or something. . . .

Thank You!

Robert De Mars


From auditodd at comcast.net  Tue May 15 13:09:46 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:09:46 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba - Upgraded this morning - Cannot connect now
Message-ID: <051520071809.29411.4649F76A0008D13C000072E322135396530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

Windows....
When all else fails, reboot.

:-)

--
==========
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Jima wrote:
> >  No idea if it's related, but a recent samba update in Fedora jumped 
> > versions, introducing some change or another (I forget the details) that 
> > made the shares inaccessible to XP boxen unless they rebooted.  (Yes, it 
> > sounds cliche, but it seemed to work.)  Have the users tried rebooting?
> >  Total shot in the dark...
> > 
> >      Jima
> 
> Simply Amazing!  Rebooting worked on the XP boxes.  Thanks!!!
> I must need more coffee or something. . . .
> 
> Thank You!
> 
> Robert De Mars


From iipreca at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 18:43:19 2007
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:43:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
Message-ID: <BAY107-F54B95B1E44796D67120F6AA3D0@phx.gbl>

This obviously isn't totally linux related but I was wondering if you guys 
could shed any light for me.
I am currently working on a cisco 2600 router and I am not sure of the IOS 
version off the top of my head. I am trying to configure Access Control 
Lists and I need to specify a range of IP addresses, basically I'm splitting 
a subnet in half so I need to be able to filter the top half from the bottom 
half. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jesse G

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From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com  Tue May 15 19:02:48 2007
From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:02:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Samba - Upgraded this morning - Cannot connect now
In-Reply-To: <4649D99F.2010206@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4649D3B1.3020304@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0705151043010.7527@beer.tclug.org>
	<4649D99F.2010206@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20070515185609.02c520f0@pop.mm.com>

At 11:02 AM 5/15/07, Robert De Mars wrote:
>Simply Amazing!  Rebooting worked on the XP boxes.  Thanks!!!
>I must need more coffee or something.


Probably a right-click > Repair of the network connection Iie, a 
refresh of the DHCP parameters) would have worked as well as a 
reboot.  Anyway, glad to hear your problem is solved. 



From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue May 15 19:19:18 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:19:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 07:37 -0500, Florin Iucha wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:16:02AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote:
> > Has anyone run into this?  I edit my crontab with crontab -e, make some
> > changes in vim and then save the file and exit and crontab tells me no
> > changes were made.  crontab -l shows that no changes were made.  If I
> > use xemacs, it works.  If I specify crontab <filename>, the new crontab
> > is installed as well.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Are you using vim or gvim?  Does it start up in GUI mode?  If so, you
> need to set "EDITOR=gvim -f" to have gvim start "in foreground" mode.
> 
It's vim, so it's in a text console, just like vi.


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From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue May 15 21:40:46 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F54B95B1E44796D67120F6AA3D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F54B95B1E44796D67120F6AA3D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0705151940x66c89111r712e88ec62ae132@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, G J <iipreca at hotmail.com> wrote:
> This obviously isn't totally linux related but I was wondering if you guys
> could shed any light for me.
> I am currently working on a cisco 2600 router and I am not sure of the IOS
> version off the top of my head. I am trying to configure Access Control
> Lists and I need to specify a range of IP addresses, basically I'm splitting
> a subnet in half so I need to be able to filter the top half from the bottom
> half. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


With the lack of specific details, it's hard to give an example I know
will be of use to you, but here - I'll propose a simple example and
you should be able to extrapolate...

Let's say you have 192.168.0.0/24 and you want to split it into two
halves.  You'd do something like this:

ip access-list standard list1
  permit 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.127

ip access-list standard list2
 permit 192.168.0.128 0.0.0.127

this would give you the following two subnets:
192.168.0.1 -> 192.168.0.126
and
192.168.0.129 -> 192.168.0.254

As you can see, inverse subnet masks are used in these ACLs.  The
"standard" subnet mask for these is 255.255.255.128.

By the way, this site incredibly valuable for this sort of thing:
http://www.subnetmask.info/

HTH.

-erik


From brockn at gmail.com  Tue May 15 22:33:20 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:33:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
	<1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80705152033k5640e182w8720af7b5ef57b17@mail.gmail.com>

> It's vim, so it's in a text console, just like vi.

I assume nano/pico work?  Have you checked to make sure you using the
correct quit/save command?

Brock


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed May 16 05:46:05 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 05:46:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80705152033k5640e182w8720af7b5ef57b17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
	<1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<741dcbb80705152033k5640e182w8720af7b5ef57b17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1179312365.5324.106.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 22:33 -0500, Brock Noland wrote:
> > It's vim, so it's in a text console, just like vi.
> 
> I assume nano/pico work?  Have you checked to make sure you using the
> correct quit/save command?
> 
I haven't tried nano/pico, but I've used xemacs.  I'm using :x to write
and quit, just like I always have.


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From slinabery at worldcycling.com  Wed May 16 12:47:50 2007
From: slinabery at worldcycling.com (Steve Linabery)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:47:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
Message-ID: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>

Hi,

I use linux (planetccrma on fc5) for digital audio recording and WinXP for playing WoW.

My linux machine died recently. I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.

I want to add a new hard drive in the WinXP machine and install linux on that disk.

Is this type of installation as simple as booting from the fc5 installation CD, or do I need to do something fancy? The last time I tried to install linux on my WinXP box, I made my WinXP OS unbootable.

Can someone point me to some recent, extremely useful documentation online?

Thanks!
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From florin at iucha.net  Wed May 16 15:07:41 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:07:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
In-Reply-To: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
References: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
Message-ID: <20070516200740.GJ26751@iucha.net>

On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 12:47:50PM -0500, Steve Linabery wrote:
> I use linux (planetccrma on fc5) for digital audio recording and WinXP for playing WoW.
> 
> My linux machine died recently. I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.
> 
> I want to add a new hard drive in the WinXP machine and install linux on that disk.
> 
> Is this type of installation as simple as booting from the fc5 installation CD, or do I need to do something fancy? The last time I tried to install linux on my WinXP box, I made my WinXP OS unbootable.

If that last time was more than 2-3 years ago, then don't worry about
it.

Assuming you got the hardware right (no ide cable mounted backwards,
no master/slave/cable select confusion), a modern Linux distro should
recognize and automatically add a menu entry in grub for the
pre-existing windows partition.

Cheers,
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed May 16 15:28:46 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:28:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <1179312365.5324.106.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
	<1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<741dcbb80705152033k5640e182w8720af7b5ef57b17@mail.gmail.com>
	<1179312365.5324.106.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705161527100.21558@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Jon Schewe wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 22:33 -0500, Brock Noland wrote:
>>> It's vim, so it's in a text console, just like vi.
>>
>> I assume nano/pico work?  Have you checked to make sure you using the 
>> correct quit/save command?
>
> I haven't tried nano/pico, but I've used xemacs.  I'm using :x to write 
> and quit, just like I always have.


Did you try the "vim -f" option?  I know that "gvim -f" was suggested, 
but you are using vim.  The same option exists in vim.

Mike


From tlunde at gmail.com  Wed May 16 16:23:13 2007
From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:23:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
In-Reply-To: <20070516200740.GJ26751@iucha.net>
References: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
	<20070516200740.GJ26751@iucha.net>
Message-ID: <4e291ac30705161423y57ad44f6s282dd9615f53cf07@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/16/07, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 12:47:50PM -0500, Steve Linabery wrote:
> > I use linux (planetccrma on fc5) for digital audio recording and WinXP for playing WoW.
> >
> > My linux machine died recently. I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.
> >
> > I want to add a new hard drive in the WinXP machine and install linux on that disk.
> >
> > Is this type of installation as simple as booting from the fc5 installation CD, or do I need to do something fancy? The last time I tried to install linux on my WinXP box, I made my WinXP OS unbootable.
>
> If that last time was more than 2-3 years ago, then don't worry about
> it.
>

But booting from a LiveCD and backing up your partition table and
master boot record would be prudent insurance:


dd if=/dev/hda of=/wherever/you/want/it count=1 bs=512

Then:
scp /wherever/you/want/it you at otherbox.com:/path/to/destination
would get it off of the box

(That's from memory... you should double check the syntax.)

Thomas


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed May 16 17:40:06 2007
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:40:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Can't edit crontab
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705161527100.21558@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <1179231362.5324.85.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<20070515123707.GX26751@iucha.net>
	<1179274758.5324.87.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<741dcbb80705152033k5640e182w8720af7b5ef57b17@mail.gmail.com>
	<1179312365.5324.106.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0705161527100.21558@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1179355206.5324.145.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net>

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 15:28 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2007, Jon Schewe wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 22:33 -0500, Brock Noland wrote:
> >>> It's vim, so it's in a text console, just like vi.
> >>
> >> I assume nano/pico work?  Have you checked to make sure you using the 
> >> correct quit/save command?
> >
> > I haven't tried nano/pico, but I've used xemacs.  I'm using :x to write 
> > and quit, just like I always have.
> 
> 
> Did you try the "vim -f" option?  I know that "gvim -f" was suggested, 
> but you are using vim.  The same option exists in vim.

That didn't change anything.  Still no changes to my crontab.


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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Wed May 16 22:11:58 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0705151940x66c89111r712e88ec62ae132@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY107-F54B95B1E44796D67120F6AA3D0@phx.gbl>
	<fc40260f0705151940x66c89111r712e88ec62ae132@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705162211.59431.jus@krytosvirus.com>

CIDR ref table comes in handy

http://www.krytosvirus.com/text/cidr.txt

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 21:40, Erik Anderson wrote:
> On 5/15/07, G J <iipreca at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > This obviously isn't totally linux related but I was wondering if you
> > guys could shed any light for me.
> > I am currently working on a cisco 2600 router and I am not sure of the
> > IOS version off the top of my head. I am trying to configure Access
> > Control Lists and I need to specify a range of IP addresses, basically
> > I'm splitting a subnet in half so I need to be able to filter the top
> > half from the bottom half. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> With the lack of specific details, it's hard to give an example I know
> will be of use to you, but here - I'll propose a simple example and
> you should be able to extrapolate...
>
> Let's say you have 192.168.0.0/24 and you want to split it into two
> halves.  You'd do something like this:
>
> ip access-list standard list1
>   permit 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.127
>
> ip access-list standard list2
>  permit 192.168.0.128 0.0.0.127
>
> this would give you the following two subnets:
> 192.168.0.1 -> 192.168.0.126
> and
> 192.168.0.129 -> 192.168.0.254
>
> As you can see, inverse subnet masks are used in these ACLs.  The
> "standard" subnet mask for these is 255.255.255.128.
>
> By the way, this site incredibly valuable for this sort of thing:
> http://www.subnetmask.info/
>
> HTH.
>
> -erik
>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed May 16 22:14:22 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:14:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
In-Reply-To: <200705162211.59431.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <BAY107-F54B95B1E44796D67120F6AA3D0@phx.gbl>
	<fc40260f0705151940x66c89111r712e88ec62ae132@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705162211.59431.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0705162014w72be38rab88e6cf1b80591@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/16/07, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> CIDR ref table comes in handy
>
> http://www.krytosvirus.com/text/cidr.txt

Ooh yah.  That's great - thanks for the link!

-erik


From iipreca at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 22:37:53 2007
From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:37:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0705162014w72be38rab88e6cf1b80591@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-F17F9B90581E9A644F7319FAA330@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys for all the help, CCNA is doing a good job at chewing me up, but 
I never give up.




>From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
>To: "Justin Krejci" <jus at krytosvirus.com>
>CC: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:14:22 -0500
>
>On 5/16/07, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> > CIDR ref table comes in handy
> >
> > http://www.krytosvirus.com/text/cidr.txt
>
>Ooh yah.  That's great - thanks for the link!
>
>-erik
>
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Thu May 17 09:00:40 2007
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:00:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
In-Reply-To: <4e291ac30705161423y57ad44f6s282dd9615f53cf07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
	<20070516200740.GJ26751@iucha.net>
	<4e291ac30705161423y57ad44f6s282dd9615f53cf07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82f04dc40705170700m4b4a18c3s10d5b223b890b5b2@mail.gmail.com>

> I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.

FYI - FC6 is current, and FC7 will be released on the 31st.

Given the short life of Fedora releases (FC5 will be deprecated
without security updates at the end of June) and the bad luck I've had
upgrading from one fedora version to another, I wouldn't install an
out of date version on a new box...

Dan


From auditodd at comcast.net  Thu May 17 09:52:56 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:52:56 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
Message-ID: <051720071452.6315.464C6C48000E4132000018AB22070032010B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dan Armbrust" <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com>
> > I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.
> 
> FYI - FC6 is current, and FC7 will be released on the 31st.
> 
> Given the short life of Fedora releases (FC5 will be deprecated
> without security updates at the end of June) and the bad luck I've had
> upgrading from one fedora version to another, I wouldn't install an
> out of date version on a new box...
> 
> Dan

Why not just use CentOS instead?
It's a "free" version of the official Red Hat release which to my thinking indicates it would be inherently more stable then Fedora.

Just my $0.02.

Todd Young


From josh at tcbug.org  Thu May 17 12:34:37 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:34:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cisco ACL help
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F17F9B90581E9A644F7319FAA330@phx.gbl>
References: <fc40260f0705162014w72be38rab88e6cf1b80591@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY107-F17F9B90581E9A644F7319FAA330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070517173437.GC63420@tcbug.org>

G J wrote:
> Thanks guys for all the help, CCNA is doing a good job at chewing me up, but I 
> never give up.
> 
> 

Just so you don't feel bad, nothing is going to teach you subnetting
faster than having to do it day in and day out, if you do it long
enough you just start to visualize the patterns and one day you
realize (no small amount of consternation) that you 'just know' that
the network number and broadcast for a host with 207.40.120.33 netmask
255.255.255.224 is 32 and 63 respectively.

And for as much of it as I'm done, I'm still always a little in awe of
guys who can supernet in their heads, especially when you get to
networks larger than /22 or so.

Keep at it, networking is fun and challanging and I've yet to get to a
point where I don't have a ton to learn.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Thu May 17 17:59:23 2007
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:59:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Postfix, sasl,
	mysql authentication problem after migrating from Ubuntu to Debian
Message-ID: <1469cda20705171559s3da50117ne1659ef646cd6bfa@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the process of migrating my mail server from Ubuntu Dapper to Debian
Etch (Ubuntu dropped PPC support and I just got a G4 to play with, so
switching architectures too). For the most part everything has been as
painless as copying the appropriate configuration files and installing the
requisite packages. One thing I'm having trouble with is getting postfix to
authenticate users using sasl reading from a mysql backend when they send
mail (using squirrelmail to send).

When I try to send from squirrelmail I get the following error:
Authentication failed
Server replied: 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: authentication
failure

Checking the log files says the same thing:
May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory

I've been digging around the Internet looking for an answer all afternoon
and comparing the configuration between the two systems. The configuration
for the pieces of the mail system is almost identical (by virtue of having
copied the files directly w/ minimal modification). The configuration works
flawlessly on the old system; Squirrelmail authenticates with postfix, which
uses sasl to query mysql. Judging from the error messages that show up in
the mail logs, it makes me think that sasl is trying to authenticate against
its own (non-existent) user database rather than sql. The sasl bits of the
/etc/postfix/main.cf are as follows:

# sasl stuff (per the howto)
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
# below line was previous working config, changed to see if there is any
effect.
#smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_sasl_local_domain =

/etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf is the file that should be referenced by the
smtpd_sasl_path in main.cf. It's contents are as follows:

pwcheck_method: auxprop
auxprop_plugin: sql
mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5
sql_engine: mysql
sql_hostnames: 127.0.0.1
sql_user: xyzuser
sql_passwd: xyzpass
sql_database: maildb
sql_select: select clear from users where id='%u@%r' and enabled = 1

FWIW, Squirrelmail is attempting to authenticate with DIGEST-MD5. I believe
I have the required packages installed on the new system, the relevant
version numbers are:

new: libsasl2-2 2.1.22
old: libsasl2 2.1.19

new: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.22
old: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.19

new: postfix 2.3.8
old: postfix 2.2.10

If anyone has any thoughts on this, i would really love to hear them as I'd
really like to be able to send mail again.

Cheers,

Tom Johnson
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From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Thu May 17 21:05:53 2007
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:05:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor
Message-ID: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Hello, and a good day to you all.  This is almost off topic, but will be 
run on a Slackware box, so here goes.

Does anyone know of a program that can convert real audio (.rm) files 
into .mp3 format.  I do not run a GUI, so it would need to be run from 
the shell.

I keep an audio archive for a church.  Basicly the church makes 
available a daily broadcast, and stores them on their website for 7 
days.  After 7 days, the newer files bump the older one off.  For 
reasons unknown, I offered to mirror the site, and maintain an archive 
of all the files.  The church broadcasts are in .rm format.

Several years have gone by since I setup the archive, and I was starting 
to wonder if anyone ever used it.  In the past week, I have received 
several requests for the files in .mp3 format.

Ideally, I would like my machine to download the files daily (as it 
currently does), and then have them automaticly converted to .mp3?

Any thoughts on this would be grand.

Thanks!

Robert De Mars


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Thu May 17 21:34:26 2007
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:34:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor
In-Reply-To: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <1179455666.22957.1190458435@webmail.messagingengine.com>

You can use mplayer and lame.

mplayer file.ra -ao pcm:file=out.wav
lame out.wav


----- Original message -----
From: "Robert De Mars" <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
To: "TCLUG-List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:05:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor

Hello, and a good day to you all.  This is almost off topic, but will be 
run on a Slackware box, so here goes.

Does anyone know of a program that can convert real audio (.rm) files 
into .mp3 format.  I do not run a GUI, so it would need to be run from 
the shell.

I keep an audio archive for a church.  Basicly the church makes 
available a daily broadcast, and stores them on their website for 7 
days.  After 7 days, the newer files bump the older one off.  For 
reasons unknown, I offered to mirror the site, and maintain an archive 
of all the files.  The church broadcasts are in .rm format.

Several years have gone by since I setup the archive, and I was starting 
to wonder if anyone ever used it.  In the past week, I have received 
several requests for the files in .mp3 format.

Ideally, I would like my machine to download the files daily (as it 
currently does), and then have them automaticly converted to .mp3?

Any thoughts on this would be grand.

Thanks!

Robert De Mars

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tompoe at fngi.net  Thu May 17 21:38:45 2007
From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:38:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor
In-Reply-To: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <464D11B5.3060204@fngi.net>

Robert De Mars wrote:
> Hello, and a good day to you all.  This is almost off topic, but will be 
> run on a Slackware box, so here goes.
>
> Does anyone know of a program that can convert real audio (.rm) files 
> into .mp3 format.  I do not run a GUI, so it would need to be run from 
> the shell.
>
> I keep an audio archive for a church.  Basicly the church makes 
> available a daily broadcast, and stores them on their website for 7 
> days.  After 7 days, the newer files bump the older one off.  For 
> reasons unknown, I offered to mirror the site, and maintain an archive 
> of all the files.  The church broadcasts are in .rm format.
>
> Several years have gone by since I setup the archive, and I was starting 
> to wonder if anyone ever used it.  In the past week, I have received 
> several requests for the files in .mp3 format.
>
> Ideally, I would like my machine to download the files daily (as it 
> currently does), and then have them automaticly converted to .mp3?
>
> Any thoughts on this would be grand.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Robert De Mars
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   
 ]$ mencoder summit07_eben1.ogg -of mpeg -mpegopts 
format=mpeg1:tsaf:muxrate=2000 -o summit3.mpg -oac lavc -lavcopts 
acodec=mp2:abitrate=224 -ovc lavc -lavcopts 
vcodec=mpeg1video:vbitrate=1152:keyint=15:mbd=2:aspect=4/3

If you use the MPlayer downloads recommendation that suits what you want 
to do, the above command should let you substitute your input file and 
output file to whatever names you choose, or file formats you choose, 
and possibly get something that plays on others' media players.
Tom

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From dean at ripperd.com  Thu May 17 21:36:06 2007
From: dean at ripperd.com (Dean E)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:36:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor
In-Reply-To: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <464D1116.5070002@ripperd.com>

Robert De Mars wrote:
> Hello, and a good day to you all.  This is almost off topic, but will be 
> run on a Slackware box, so here goes.
> 
> Does anyone know of a program that can convert real audio (.rm) files 
> into .mp3 format.  I do not run a GUI, so it would need to be run from 
> the shell.
> 
> I keep an audio archive for a church.  Basicly the church makes 
> available a daily broadcast, and stores them on their website for 7 
> days.  After 7 days, the newer files bump the older one off.  For 
> reasons unknown, I offered to mirror the site, and maintain an archive 
> of all the files.  The church broadcasts are in .rm format.
> 
> Several years have gone by since I setup the archive, and I was starting 
> to wonder if anyone ever used it.  In the past week, I have received 
> several requests for the files in .mp3 format.
> 
> Ideally, I would like my machine to download the files daily (as it 
> currently does), and then have them automaticly converted to .mp3?
> 
> Any thoughts on this would be grand.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Robert De Mars


Look into MEncoder.  It is a sister to MPlayer, and can decode and 
encode a wide variety of formats from the command line.  You might need 
to install some codecs to get this to work however.

-Dean


From dan at dandrake.org  Thu May 17 22:09:31 2007
From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:09:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
Message-ID: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>

I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.

Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
to know if there's anything more recent.

Thanks,

Dan

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From dniesen at gmail.com  Thu May 17 22:59:41 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:59:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Exim filter madness
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70705172059o1c5d9d69v91628c49c1c71edb@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to process an email with a bash script, this is what my
.forward file looks like:

# Exim filter
if $header_subject contains "Alarm Detail Report" then
        unseen save "email.htm"
        unseen pipe "/bin/bash /home/spectrumalarm/received.sh"
endif

Now in the exim log these commands always happen in the reverse order
so the bash script does not have a chance to parse the saved file
(pipe then save email.htm).

Is there another way I can do this so this happens in the right order?

-- 
Donovan Niesen


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Thu May 17 23:05:59 2007
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:05:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <1469cda20705172105x72ffb7e5gb3d640da6bf6207e@mail.gmail.com>

Having just obtained a Mac myself, I downloaded a distro called Finnix last
week while trying to figure out how to get Linux to boot properly on the
machine. I got the machine working before I tried out Finnix, but it does
seem to be up-to-date.

On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
>
> I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
> like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
> something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
>
> Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
> to know if there's anything more recent.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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From dniesen at gmail.com  Thu May 17 23:23:40 2007
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:23:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Exim filter madness
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70705172059o1c5d9d69v91628c49c1c71edb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70705172059o1c5d9d69v91628c49c1c71edb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70705172123s18e5111fm9e742ffdc8c3695e@mail.gmail.com>

In my madness I overlooked the obvious answer... I put the pipe before
the save and it worked.  Ho hum.

On 5/17/07, Donovan Niesen <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am trying to process an email with a bash script, this is what my
> .forward file looks like:
>
> # Exim filter
> if $header_subject contains "Alarm Detail Report" then
>         unseen save "email.htm"
>         unseen pipe "/bin/bash /home/spectrumalarm/received.sh"
> endif
>
> Now in the exim log these commands always happen in the reverse order
> so the bash script does not have a chance to parse the saved file
> (pipe then save email.htm).
>
> Is there another way I can do this so this happens in the right order?
>
> --
> Donovan Niesen
>


-- 
Donovan Niesen


From slushpupie at gmail.com  Fri May 18 06:52:41 2007
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:52:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <ace41e70705180452v1661c166xedb43760ace49c6d@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
> I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
> like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
> something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
>
> Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
> to know if there's anything more recent.

Ubuntu has a PPC version

-- 
Jay Kline
http://www.slushpupie.com/


From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Fri May 18 08:11:45 2007
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:11:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <ace41e70705180452v1661c166xedb43760ace49c6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
	<ace41e70705180452v1661c166xedb43760ace49c6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1469cda20705180611p2970f45cm6225aac2a7d2bc4@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately they have ended official support for it beginning with edgy or
feisty. I believe Dapper is the last official PPC release.

On 5/18/07, slushpupie at gmail.com <slushpupie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
> > I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
> > like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
> > something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
> >
> > Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
> > to know if there's anything more recent.
>
> Ubuntu has a PPC version
>
> --
> Jay Kline
> http://www.slushpupie.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri May 18 08:24:10 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:24:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0705180624p1ba38497ue9795a21a0fc64e6@mail.gmail.com>

Before I got rid of my PPC machine, OpenSUSE was a distro that could install
and handle the Mac partioning scheme, and at the time that was what I used
on it.  It did quite well.

- Joey

On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
>
> I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
> like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
> something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
>
> Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
> to know if there's anything more recent.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com  Fri May 18 08:52:49 2007
From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:52:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0705180624p1ba38497ue9795a21a0fc64e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
	<101e49ea0705180624p1ba38497ue9795a21a0fc64e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1179496369.31559.3.camel@desktop>

If all you need is to run fdisk, the Gentoo minimal installer is a quick
download, about 60MB or so.

bg
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 08:24 -0500, Joey Rockhold wrote:
> Before I got rid of my PPC machine, OpenSUSE was a distro that could
> install and handle the Mac partioning scheme, and at the time that was
> what I used on it.  It did quite well.
> 
> - Joey
> 
> On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
>         I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard
>         drive I'd
>         like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I
>         need
>         something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
>         
>         Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but
>         I'd like 
>         to know if there's anything more recent.
>         
>         Thanks,
>         
>         Dan
>         
>         --
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> 
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From jeruvin at gmail.com  Fri May 18 09:02:04 2007
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:02:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] livecd to repartition hard drive on a Powerbook?
In-Reply-To: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
References: <20070518030931.GA22296@dandrake.org>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0705180702s2ed4e467qc7994cbc70d9464@mail.gmail.com>

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/release/

7.04 is not officially supported by ubuntu, but there is a cd and i've used
the live cd a couple times on my old ibook g4 (my only notebook). I do get
some strange video during bootup when the orange bar is going back and
forth, but it will get past it if I just wait.

Just tested and gparted opens for me using this disc.



On 5/17/07, Dan Drake <dan at dandrake.org> wrote:
>
> I have a Powerbook -- a three-year-old PPC one -- whose hard drive I'd
> like to repartition. Most live CDs have gparted on them, but I need
> something that will boot and run on a PowerPC laptop.
>
> Any good suggestions? I think an old Ubuntu disc will work but I'd like
> to know if there's anything more recent.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
> --
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From josh at tcbug.org  Sat May 19 00:46:11 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:46:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Postfix, sasl,
	mysql authentication problem after migrating from Ubuntu to Debian
In-Reply-To: <1469cda20705171559s3da50117ne1659ef646cd6bfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1469cda20705171559s3da50117ne1659ef646cd6bfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070519054611.GE63420@tcbug.org>

Thomas Johnson wrote:
> I am in the process of migrating my mail server from Ubuntu Dapper to Debian
> Etch (Ubuntu dropped PPC support and I just got a G4 to play with, so
> switching architectures too). For the most part everything has been as
> painless as copying the appropriate configuration files and installing the
> requisite packages. One thing I'm having trouble with is getting postfix to
> authenticate users using sasl reading from a mysql backend when they send
> mail (using squirrelmail to send).
> 
> When I try to send from squirrelmail I get the following error:
> Authentication failed
> Server replied: 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: authentication
> failure
> 
> Checking the log files says the same thing:
> May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
> problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
> May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
> problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
> 
> I've been digging around the Internet looking for an answer all afternoon
> and comparing the configuration between the two systems. The configuration
> for the pieces of the mail system is almost identical (by virtue of having
> copied the files directly w/ minimal modification). The configuration works
> flawlessly on the old system; Squirrelmail authenticates with postfix, which
> uses sasl to query mysql. Judging from the error messages that show up in
> the mail logs, it makes me think that sasl is trying to authenticate against
> its own (non-existent) user database rather than sql. The sasl bits of the
> /etc/postfix/main.cf are as follows:
> 
> # sasl stuff (per the howto)
> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
> # below line was previous working config, changed to see if there is any
> effect.
> #smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
> smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl
> smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
> smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
> 
> /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf is the file that should be referenced by the
> smtpd_sasl_path in main.cf. It's contents are as follows:
> 
> pwcheck_method: auxprop
> auxprop_plugin: sql
> mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5
> sql_engine: mysql
> sql_hostnames: 127.0.0.1
> sql_user: xyzuser
> sql_passwd: xyzpass
> sql_database: maildb
> sql_select: select clear from users where id='%u@%r' and enabled = 1
> 
> FWIW, Squirrelmail is attempting to authenticate with DIGEST-MD5. I believe
> I have the required packages installed on the new system, the relevant
> version numbers are:
> 
> new: libsasl2-2 2.1.22
> old: libsasl2 2.1.19
> 
> new: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.22
> old: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.19
> 
> new: postfix 2.3.8
> old: postfix 2.2.10
> 
> If anyone has any thoughts on this, i would really love to hear them as I'd
> really like to be able to send mail again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tom Johnson
> 
> 

The name of the parameter is a bit misleading, but if you set it to
/etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf it will be much happier.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Sat May 19 10:07:23 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:07:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] advice on dual-boot install
In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40705170700m4b4a18c3s10d5b223b890b5b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28350484.10391179337671748.JavaMail.root@mail.worldcycling.com>
	<4e291ac30705161423y57ad44f6s282dd9615f53cf07@mail.gmail.com>
	<82f04dc40705170700m4b4a18c3s10d5b223b890b5b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705191007.23585.tclug@lizakowski.com>

> Given the short life of Fedora releases (FC5 will be deprecated
> without security updates at the end of June) and the bad luck I've had
> upgrading from one fedora version to another, 

I'm getting ready for another upgrade cycle.  Over time, I have found a 
configuration that I like.  However, each time I upgrade or switch distros, 
everything starts from scratch, and it usually takes me a month to migrate 
all my data, install the applications, and configure everything.  

Before I begin next time, I would like to capture data about my configuration.  
Then, I would like to give this file to the installer as a recipe for how I 
would like the box to work (or as a separate step after installation).   Are 
there any good tools for this?

I have most of my data on a separate drive, which helps.  But what tools are 
available to record package lists and configurations?

Jeremy


On Thursday 17 May 2007 9:00 am, Dan Armbrust wrote:
> > I would like to install fc5 on my WinXP machine.
>
> FYI - FC6 is current, and FC7 will be released on the 31st.
>
> Given the short life of Fedora releases (FC5 will be deprecated
> without security updates at the end of June) and the bad luck I've had
> upgrading from one fedora version to another, I wouldn't install an
> out of date version on a new box...
>
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Sat May 19 16:34:47 2007
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net ( )
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:34:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] PC speaker/snd-hda-codec.ko/snd-hda-intel.ko
Message-ID: <op.tslfj9srpobqpg@vaio>


My winmodem driver requires modules snd-hda-codec.ko and  
snd-hda-intel.ko.  Unfortunately, those modules seem to disable my PC  
speaker, which I include in the kernel.

Is there a way to enable the PC speaker while loading those modules?



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat May 19 20:32:30 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:32:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705200132.l4K1WUZ04379@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Dell Machines.

#1 - Dell Poweredge 1300 (450mhz).
#2 - Dell Poweredge 1300 (500mhz).
#3 - Dell Dimension L866r (866mhz).
#4 - Dell Dimension R450 (450mhz)

Now, I know that the PowerEdge's work. and the same with the R450.  But, Please note, No Warrenty, no OS. the L866r doesn't have a hdd in it.

All of these are free. Pick up is InverGrove or anywhere Close to 494.

Thanks!,

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun May 20 16:43:33 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:43:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705202143.l4KLhXA21386@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 512M DDR DIMMs

qty 2 - 512M PC3200 DDR DIMM

$15/per DIMM

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun May 20 16:45:26 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:45:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705202145.l4KLjQs22841@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 512M SODIMM

qty 1 - 512M SODIMM appropriate for use within a G4 powerbook.

Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From tommyj27 at gmail.com  Mon May 21 00:32:02 2007
From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:32:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Postfix, sasl,
	mysql authentication problem after migrating from Ubuntu to Debian
In-Reply-To: <20070519054611.GE63420@tcbug.org>
References: <1469cda20705171559s3da50117ne1659ef646cd6bfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070519054611.GE63420@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <1469cda20705202232n66615a3cjfbed12e5f9aa034f@mail.gmail.com>

Solved, though the solution was not exactly what you suggested. I tried that
and had no luck; but a little more googling got me checking
/var/log/auth.log, where I found the following:

May 21 00:05:56 g4 postfix/smtpd[3295]: sql_select option missing
May 21 00:05:56 g4 postfix/smtpd[3295]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism
available
May 21 00:05:56 g4 postfix/smtpd[3295]: _sasl_plugin_load failed on
sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql

A little more googling turned up a solution. The correct parameter is:

smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd

Found the answer here:
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2007-04/1445.html

On 5/19/07, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org> wrote:
>
> Thomas Johnson wrote:
> > I am in the process of migrating my mail server from Ubuntu Dapper to
> Debian
> > Etch (Ubuntu dropped PPC support and I just got a G4 to play with, so
> > switching architectures too). For the most part everything has been as
> > painless as copying the appropriate configuration files and installing
> the
> > requisite packages. One thing I'm having trouble with is getting postfix
> to
> > authenticate users using sasl reading from a mysql backend when they
> send
> > mail (using squirrelmail to send).
> >
> > When I try to send from squirrelmail I get the following error:
> > Authentication failed
> > Server replied: 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: authentication
> > failure
> >
> > Checking the log files says the same thing:
> > May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
> > problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or
> directory
> > May 17 17:33:48 g4 postfix/smtpd[3286]: warning: SASL authentication
> > problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or
> directory
> >
> > I've been digging around the Internet looking for an answer all
> afternoon
> > and comparing the configuration between the two systems. The
> configuration
> > for the pieces of the mail system is almost identical (by virtue of
> having
> > copied the files directly w/ minimal modification). The configuration
> works
> > flawlessly on the old system; Squirrelmail authenticates with postfix,
> which
> > uses sasl to query mysql. Judging from the error messages that show up
> in
> > the mail logs, it makes me think that sasl is trying to authenticate
> against
> > its own (non-existent) user database rather than sql. The sasl bits of
> the
> > /etc/postfix/main.cf are as follows:
> >
> > # sasl stuff (per the howto)
> > smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
> > broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
> > # below line was previous working config, changed to see if there is any
> > effect.
> > #smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
> > smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl
> > smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
> > smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
> >
> > /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf is the file that should be referenced by
> the
> > smtpd_sasl_path in main.cf. It's contents are as follows:
> >
> > pwcheck_method: auxprop
> > auxprop_plugin: sql
> > mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5
> > sql_engine: mysql
> > sql_hostnames: 127.0.0.1
> > sql_user: xyzuser
> > sql_passwd: xyzpass
> > sql_database: maildb
> > sql_select: select clear from users where id='%u@%r' and enabled = 1
> >
> > FWIW, Squirrelmail is attempting to authenticate with DIGEST-MD5. I
> believe
> > I have the required packages installed on the new system, the relevant
> > version numbers are:
> >
> > new: libsasl2-2 2.1.22
> > old: libsasl2 2.1.19
> >
> > new: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.22
> > old: libsasl2-modules-sql 2.1.19
> >
> > new: postfix 2.3.8
> > old: postfix 2.2.10
> >
> > If anyone has any thoughts on this, i would really love to hear them as
> I'd
> > really like to be able to send mail again.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom Johnson
> >
> >
>
> The name of the parameter is a bit misleading, but if you set it to
> /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf it will be much happier.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Paetzel
>
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From mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com  Thu May 17 21:12:25 2007
From: mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:12:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] In search of 'choose a distro' wizard
In-Reply-To: <20070515152558.GB22408@fireopal.org>
References: <20070515152558.GB22408@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <200705172112.26162.mark.russel.mitchell@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:25, Scott Raun wrote:
> I remember someone somewhere pointing out a web site that had a
> 'choose a distro' wizard - it asked a bunch of questions, and then
> recommended a distro or two based on your answers.
>
> Was it here?  Does anyone remember such a site, or have one to
> recommend?

Googling came up with http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/

HTH


From dalan at visi.com  Mon May 21 12:04:02 2007
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:04:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Help with Gentoo
Message-ID: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>



I was wondering if we have a guru on Gentoo.

I get the install and the compile, but it won't run. I have to believe Im
missing a step somewhere.

Any help would be appreciated, or maybe even a phone call..

Thanks
Don S.


From brockn at gmail.com  Mon May 21 12:25:23 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Help with Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
References: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80705211025u53a2a537xa9cd3ee80a6e3dfc@mail.gmail.com>

Whats the text on your screen after boot?

Brock

On 5/21/07, dalan at visi.com <dalan at visi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering if we have a guru on Gentoo.
>
> I get the install and the compile, but it won't run. I have to believe Im
> missing a step somewhere.
>
> Any help would be appreciated, or maybe even a phone call..
>
> Thanks
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From wdtj at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 13:14:13 2007
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Spring Installfest at HCA - CANCELLED
Message-ID: <339029.26039.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, due to the lackadaisical response to us holding an Installfest at HCA we've decided to cancel it.  

I only received 2 responses, one person volunteering and one said they would be there.  There was no response from any of the TCLUG leadership (whomever they are), and no one bothered putting anything on the web site.  

Doug and I talked about it, and felt it was getting too late to do anything at this point for a June date.  If anyone decides we want an installfest, let us know and we'll reschedule it.


Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> wrote: Well, sounds like we're go for an Installfest at HCA.  June 2nd all right?

I didn't see any response to my last posting.  Everyone asleep?  Or just forgotten what an Installfest was.

Wayne Johnson  <wdtj at yahoo.com> wrote: Well, Doug Coats and I are willing to host another Installfest at HCA again this year.  Doug is currently working with the school to get approval, but I thought I should bring it up here to see what a good date would be.  Probably some time in June.  

I know some others have been talking about hosting one soon, but I've not seen anything official.



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From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon May 21 14:04:55 2007
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:04:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Help with Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
References: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <1179774295.30101.1190984085@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Please provide more information.
Do you get a boot prompt?
Does the kernel get uncompressed and loaded?
What are the last messages (if any) you get before "it won't run?"


----- Original message -----
From: dalan at visi.com
To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:04:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Help with Gentoo


I was wondering if we have a guru on Gentoo.

I get the install and the compile, but it won't run. I have to believe
Im
missing a step somewhere.

Any help would be appreciated, or maybe even a phone call..

Thanks
Don S.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Mon May 21 15:25:22 2007
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:25:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Real Audio to .mp3 convertor
In-Reply-To: <1179455204.31559.0.camel@desktop>
References: <464D0A01.30804@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<1179455204.31559.0.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: <46520032.7070606@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
> You could probably set this program up with a bash script to do what you
> need done.
> http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/524620/Perl-Audio-Converter.html
> 
> bg
> 

Thanks to all who responded to this last week.  I finally was able to 
start converting my .rm files to .mp3 with your help.

I ended up using the above Perl Audio Converter, along with Mplayer & 
Helix, and lets not forget all codecs.  I added the required command + 
options to the end of my daily mirror script.

I am happy that now my box automaticlly pulls the daily .rm files, and 
converts them to .mp3's without any hassle.

FYI:  The box in questions is a Pent 200 w/ 96 Megs of Ram.  The 
conversion time is long, but steady ;-)

Kind Regards,

Robert De Mars


> On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 21:05 -0500, Robert De Mars wrote:
>> Hello, and a good day to you all.  This is almost off topic, but will be 
>> run on a Slackware box, so here goes.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a program that can convert real audio (.rm) files 
>> into .mp3 format.  I do not run a GUI, so it would need to be run from 
>> the shell.
>>
>> I keep an audio archive for a church.  Basicly the church makes 
>> available a daily broadcast, and stores them on their website for 7 
>> days.  After 7 days, the newer files bump the older one off.  For 
>> reasons unknown, I offered to mirror the site, and maintain an archive 
>> of all the files.  The church broadcasts are in .rm format.
>>
>> Several years have gone by since I setup the archive, and I was starting 
>> to wonder if anyone ever used it.  In the past week, I have received 
>> several requests for the files in .mp3 format.
>>
>> Ideally, I would like my machine to download the files daily (as it 
>> currently does), and then have them automaticly converted to .mp3?
>>
>> Any thoughts on this would be grand.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Robert De Mars
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 



From admin at lctn.org  Mon May 21 17:11:49 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:11:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
Message-ID: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>

Recently, I set up Darwin streaming server, with the intent to serve up
mp4 files. I couldn't get anything to stream (my content), and found I
needed to create a hint file, using Quicktime Pro(correct me here if I am
wrong). The process takes hours to complete with a full 3 hours of video,
and so far has not finished successfully. I am used to using windows
encoder and media server, which is very easy, and straight forward. I
would like to implement an open sources solution, but this has been a real
pain. Am I misunderstanding the need for this process? if not, is there a
better open source solution that does not require a hint file. Streaming,
not downloading is what I am hoping to accomplish.

Raymond

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This message has been scanned for viruses and
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From josh at radkeland.org  Tue May 22 07:25:18 2007
From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:25:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>

I recently went through some pains to play with setting up a streaming 
server with Icecast/PHP-shout (both GPL).  Icecast also has a nice Ices 
broadcast component that works well with Icecast (but did not stream 
Theoris at the time I played with it).  The notes I took are a bit 
scattered, but may be helpful.  You can read them at:

http://www.radkeland.org/setting-streaming-webserver-fedora-core-6

Josh

admin at lctn.org wrote:
> Recently, I set up Darwin streaming server, with the intent to serve up
> mp4 files. I couldn't get anything to stream (my content), and found I
> needed to create a hint file, using Quicktime Pro(correct me here if I am
> wrong). The process takes hours to complete with a full 3 hours of video,
> and so far has not finished successfully. I am used to using windows
> encoder and media server, which is very easy, and straight forward. I
> would like to implement an open sources solution, but this has been a real
> pain. Am I misunderstanding the need for this process? if not, is there a
> better open source solution that does not require a hint file. Streaming,
> not downloading is what I am hoping to accomplish.
>
> Raymond
>
>   


From admin at lctn.org  Tue May 22 07:47:20 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>
Message-ID: <46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>

> I recently went through some pains to play with setting up a streaming
> server with Icecast/PHP-shout (both GPL).  Icecast also has a nice Ices
> broadcast component that works well with Icecast (but did not stream
> Theoris at the time I played with it).  The notes I took are a bit
> scattered, but may be helpful.  You can read them at:
>
> http://www.radkeland.org/setting-streaming-webserver-fedora-core-6



I haven't looked at your link yet, but isn't Icecast audio only? I am
streaming video.

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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue May 22 08:31:10 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:31:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FW:  Linux friendly DSL or Cable
Message-ID: <DIEPJAHDNINGELBLJLJCGEIBKBAA.cncole@earthlink.net>


The news article on municipal wireless indicates its either a disaster
or a tax for trying to do business in those communities because a
visitor can't just connect without subscribing.  I don't like to see the
passing of free wireless hotspots.  Check the news: bad stuff is what
actually happens.

Cities Struggle With Wireless Internet   By ANICK JESDANUN (AP Internet
Writer) From Associated Press May 22, 2007 12:42 AM EDT
http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=20070521/46526ac0_3ca6_15526200
70522-175081373&error=2


This intrusive rant below should have gone to the list.  Nice ideas, but
contrary to the major news of what usually happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Krejci [mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux friendly DSL or Cable


Sorry for the late reply, been extremely busy lately. I just want to
clarify a
couple of your misconceptions about this muni wifi network.

Since I read thru the whole thread already and it seems like the thread
is at
an end and also far away from the original posters question, I will just
reply to you directly, though it seems you may not like that practice.

On Monday 07 May 2007 22:01, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci
> >
> > > Since I live in Minneapolis, I'm watching the wireless rollout
with
> > > more than a little interest....
> >
> > ... People now a days use PPP, Ethernet, or
> > some other
> > very standard protocol. If not, it is usually some CPE
> > hardware that does
> > all of the last mile talk then has an Ethernet handoff.
>
> Isn't municipal wireless using a secured protocol and/or spectrum
> trick(s) that require the subscriber to have special "demod gear" to
get
> to an ethernet or 802.11g/b connection for any user(s)??  The
subscriber
> still must connect to their "modem" and do wired or wireless in the
> home.

No, it is standard wifi you can connect with your laptop (or desktop)
wifi
card. The customer CPE is for increased signal reception, and eventually
redistribute wifi directly inside the home if you choose.

>
> > The wireless is very exciting and hopefully more of the metro
> > area will participate making a huge connected network.
>
> Does this mean anything more than having more people pay for
> higher-priced, proprietary modems in order to have their home
connected
> to the internet?  I doubt that there's any bandwidth ceiling advantage
> over fiber-to-the-home
>

It is not proprietary. I also imply that connecting the metro up with
other
muni wifi networks could make it be cool and possibly be transparent to
the
end user for migrating from one to the other. Bandwidth in wifi vs
fiber?
Well yeah fiber wins out but it is not as portable. I could imagine wifi
tech
getting so efficient that using fiber would become obsolete for short
haul
transmissions (short haul meaning in the context of a muni wifi network
backbone). Maybe I am just dreaming but if people don't try things out
cool
things definitely will not happen.

> > Couple that with mobile VPNs
> > and I think it will make a pretty sweet network.
>
> Are you sure that mobile VPNs will be supported by municipal wireless
> ISPs in the near term?  I'd expect municipal service contracts to
differ
> from neighboring cities, and that may be a cause for a big delay
> (decades?) in having mobile options for that new service.  Cell
carrier
> services (plue 911 type service carriers) are already capable of
> supporting municipal needs, so the justification to scrap equipment
and
> change to a new scheme may be hard to achieve.
>

What does ISPs, network medium, etc have to do with mobile vpns? What
applications you run over your internet connections are not usually a
matter
of concern for the ISPs (unless you are a big brother conspiracy
theorist).

Also, later in the thread you commented about geographically specific
subscriptions. You also refer to Chaska as an example. I am not familiar
with
details on the Chaska wifi so it may be ignorance on my part but with
the
minneapolis one there is a single login/auth system for the entire
network.
You login while sitting at home, and roam around town/downtown you do
not
need re-auth. Which ties into my comment about spreading out to other
muni
wifi systems, even if not US Internet based they could still be made to
be
compatible auth system so as not to require re-authenticating when
moving
from one network to the other.

This is similar in principle to how national dial-up works. You don't
really
think Earthlink has 30,000 (or whatever the number is) phone numbers
around
the country? They have deals with companies like Qwest, AT&T, etc to use
their numbers and when the end user authenticates with their username
there
is usually a prefix that signifies to the phone companies auth system
(radius
typically) to send the auth to your ISP's auth system. You can have
multiple
ISPs using the same numbers, and one user using multiple phone numbers
around
the country under the same ISP account transparently (except for having
to
select a different number) to the end user.

As for the impact on free wifi hotspots, they might stick around for a
while
but you are right, there is a good chance they might go away. Is it
really
that bad? Are you worried about it that much? You can purchase a short
term
subscription like 1 day or 1 week subscription. Some facilities will be
able
to hand out free vouchers good for 1 day or 3 days or whatever if they
have
an event. Additionally there will be free areas on the network in any
case.

Do you not think large scale wifi is inevitable? I am sure in 5-10 years
people will not even think about the archaic pre-wifi days and wifi will
be
so much more honed and refined of a technology it will be as common
place as
ethernet switches are now. There is a technology refresh requirement in
the
contract so a complete hardware upgrade is required after a certain
number of
years so as to be compatible with the latest standards and trends, which
will
probably include large bandwidth increases in the environment as tech
gets
better.




From josh at radkeland.org  Tue May 22 08:39:49 2007
From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:39:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>
	<46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>

Icecast will stream both.  The PHP-shout package is used to prepare the 
stream and send it to the icecast server.  I was able to get it to 
stream an .ogg video (with sound).  I didn't look into mp4 at the time.  
According to their homepage (www.icecast.org), icecast 2.2.0 will stream 
theora video with alpha4 or later libtheora.

Ok ... after some more googling, it looks this this may not be 
suitable.  As far as I can tell, the only video format supported would 
be theora.  You could always do something like:

ffmpeg2theora original.mov -o new.ogg

for each stream you want to send, but this would also require your users 
to have .ogg players.  Sorry for the wild goose chase!

Josh

admin at lctn.org wrote:
>> I recently went through some pains to play with setting up a streaming
>> server with Icecast/PHP-shout (both GPL).  Icecast also has a nice Ices
>> broadcast component that works well with Icecast (but did not stream
>> Theoris at the time I played with it).  The notes I took are a bit
>> scattered, but may be helpful.  You can read them at:
>>
>> http://www.radkeland.org/setting-streaming-webserver-fedora-core-6
>>     
>
>
>
> I haven't looked at your link yet, but isn't Icecast audio only? I am
> streaming video.
>
>   


From admin at lctn.org  Tue May 22 08:50:13 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org><46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
Message-ID: <60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>

> Icecast will stream both.  The PHP-shout package is used to prepare the
Idealistically send it to the icecast server.  I was able to get it to
> stream an .ogg video (with sound).  I didn't look into mp4 at the time.
> According to their homepage (www.icecast.org), icecast 2.2.0 will stream
> theora video with alpha4 or later libtheora.
>
> Ok ... after some more googling, it looks this this may not be
> suitable.  As far as I can tell, the only video format supported would
> be theora.  You could always do something like:
>
> ffmpeg2theora original.mov -o new.ogg
>
> for each stream you want to send, but this would also require your users
> to have .ogg players.  Sorry for the wild goose chase!

Idealistacly, I want to embed a player in the web page, so I don't have to
worry about users having the right player.

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From kjh at flyballdogs.com  Tue May 22 09:01:33 2007
From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:01:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org><46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
	<60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <22467.192.168.0.7.1179842493.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com>


admin at lctn.org wrote:
> Idealistacly, I want to embed a player in the web page, so I don't have to
> worry about users having the right player.

Don't they need some kind of player for your embedded object?

-- 
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http://womensfooty.com


From jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com  Tue May 22 09:05:02 2007
From: jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com (Jonathon Jongsma)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:05:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>
	<46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
	<60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb570705220705k3db2168ai95d79f34cbb331f0@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/22/07, admin at lctn.org <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> > Icecast will stream both.  The PHP-shout package is used to prepare the
> Idealistically send it to the icecast server.  I was able to get it to
> > stream an .ogg video (with sound).  I didn't look into mp4 at the time.
> > According to their homepage (www.icecast.org), icecast 2.2.0 will stream
> > theora video with alpha4 or later libtheora.
> >
> > Ok ... after some more googling, it looks this this may not be
> > suitable.  As far as I can tell, the only video format supported would
> > be theora.  You could always do something like:
> >
> > ffmpeg2theora original.mov -o new.ogg
> >
> > for each stream you want to send, but this would also require your users
> > to have .ogg players.  Sorry for the wild goose chase!
>
> Idealistacly, I want to embed a player in the web page, so I don't have to
> worry about users having the right player.
>

Well, flumotion has the cortado java applet for this as well:
http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/

-- 
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From admin at lctn.org  Tue May 22 09:11:06 2007
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:11:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <22467.192.168.0.7.1179842493.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org><4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org><46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org><4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org><60586.204.212.34.10.1179841813.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<22467.192.168.0.7.1179842493.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com>
Message-ID: <37817.204.212.34.10.1179843066.squirrel@lctn.org>

>
> admin at lctn.org wrote:
>> Idealistacly, I want to embed a player in the web page, so I don't have
>> to
>> worry about users having the right player.
>
> Don't they need some kind of player for your embedded object?



I ran across a couple projects that do not require the user to have an
installed player to view content.

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From tmarble at info9.net  Tue May 22 08:55:45 2007
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:55:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
References: <52503.204.212.34.10.1179785509.squirrel@lctn.org>	<4652E12E.4060405@radkeland.org>	<46478.204.212.34.10.1179838040.squirrel@lctn.org>
	<4652F2A5.7080901@radkeland.org>
Message-ID: <4652F661.8010302@info9.net>

Joshua Radke wrote:
> Ok ... after some more googling, it looks this this may not be 
> suitable.  As far as I can tell, the only video format supported would 
> be theora.  You could always do something like:
> 
> ffmpeg2theora original.mov -o new.ogg
> 
> for each stream you want to send, but this would also require your users 
> to have .ogg players.  Sorry for the wild goose chase!

Please note that Theora has the advantage of being an open format!
I mention this because Raymond originally asked for an "open
source" solution.

And anyone with the Java Plug-In installed can take advantage
of the "Cortado applet" viewer:
  http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/

Realize too that the VLC player (theora capable) is available on
all platforms:
  http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html

There is also a Theora plug-in for Quicktime:
   http://xiph.org/quicktime/

Example streaming content can be found here:
  http://ystv.york.ac.uk/watch/live.php

Example (downloadable) ogg files can be found here:
  http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/vilanova.html

HTH,

--Tom



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Tue May 22 18:47:35 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:47:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705222347.l4MNlZn22024@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Hp Pavilion 540n

1.6ghz Intel Pentium 4
No Memory, Uses Pc2100 (max is 2gb)
No hard-drive.
No Optical Drives.
NOTE: Bad PATA channel on the Motherboard.

No Operating System.

Please note: The Case color is Red & Silver. 

Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From dpkhobby at embarqmail.com  Tue May 22 02:25:02 2007
From: dpkhobby at embarqmail.com (Dwayne Kaelberer)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:25:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Help with Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
References: <1179767042.4651d102dd989@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <46529ACE.5050003@embarqmail.com>

dalan at visi.com wrote:
> I was wondering if we have a guru on Gentoo.
>
> I get the install and the compile, but it won't run. I have to believe Im
> missing a step somewhere.
>
> Any help would be appreciated, or maybe even a phone call..
>
> Thanks
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>   
Hey Don

 I've gone through this myself being a Linux newbie and tackling Gentoo
. The best thing I did when rebuilding after a hdd loss was to use a
Knoppix live cd, and then through that setting up Gentoo. While running
in the Knoppix live cd , I was able to be online and talking with a
couple of very seasoned Gentoo guys on Freenode irc server in the
#Gentoo room, Freenode server is where everything and everyone Linux is
at.  Tons of good Gentoo people there to help . Give me an email direct
if you wish , would be fun to talk to you on the phone also about our
adventures in Gentoo.

Dwayne


From paj at conroyconsult.com  Tue May 22 14:17:01 2007
From: paj at conroyconsult.com (Craig Pajula)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:17:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Developer Needed
Message-ID: <001b01c79ca5$c6f79640$0b0a010a@DF7C9RB1>

Hello Linux lovers,

 

I'm currently looking for a Linux developer for a full-time position in
the western-Twin Cities area.  Basic and number one requirement from the
client is "a true love for Linux".  I need a mid-level Linux developer,
preferably with some UI skills.  If you're interested, my contact
information is below.    Thanks!!

 

Craig R. Pajula
Senior Account Manager
Conroy Consulting LLC
5353 Gamble Dr. Suite 106
St. Louis Park, MN  55416
Work: (952) 486-8317
Cell: (651) 206-7614
www.conroyconsult.com
Member NACCB, MHTA, AeA

 

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From dpkhome at embarqmail.com  Tue May 22 02:42:45 2007
From: dpkhome at embarqmail.com (Dwayne Kaelberer)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:42:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] email bounce
Message-ID: <46529EF5.9020106@embarqmail.com>

I just received a bounce email saying I wasn't a member hmm. I have
tried in the recent past to change my email in my member info but have
been unable too , could that be why when I send an email to the list I
get this notice? Or do i have to go and register once again?

Dwayne


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed May 23 10:02:19 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:02:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705231502.l4NF2Jv31660@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 12in G4 iBook 1.33ghz

Mac OS X 10.4
CPU: 1.33 GHz G4
bus: 133 MHz
RAM: 1024 MB
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 4x AGP
VRAM: 32 MB
display: 12.1" 24-bit SVGA (1024 x 768) color active matrix
video out: VGA and composite video
hard drive: 40 GB 4200 rpm ATA/100
optical drive: Combo drive writes CD-R discs at up to 24x, CD-RW at up to 16x, reads DVD-ROM at up to 8x, CD-ROM at up to 24x
USB 2.0 ports: 2
FireWire ports: 1
10/100Base-T ethernet and v.92 56k modem standard
wireless networking: 54 Mbps AirPort Extreme included 

I will also include a nice Brenthaven bag made specifically for the 12" iBook.

Seller Email address: hansone at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From wdtj at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 13:37:15 2007
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT} Fwd: City of Minneapolis Wireless Minneapolis
	Updates Update
Message-ID: <624601.82869.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I know many of you have been asking for more info.

City of Minneapolis <minneapolis at govdelivery.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:31:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: City of Minneapolis <minneapolis at govdelivery.com>
Subject: City of Minneapolis Wireless Minneapolis Updates Update
To: wdtj at yahoo.com

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From dalan at visi.com  Wed May 23 13:59:33 2007
From: dalan at visi.com (dalan at visi.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:59:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest
Message-ID: <1179946773.46548f150bf4f@my.visi.com>



Are we really going to drop the installfest for june?

I'd go even if Im the only one there..

Don S.


From canito at dalan.us  Wed May 23 14:04:29 2007
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:04:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest
In-Reply-To: <1179946773.46548f150bf4f@my.visi.com>
References: <1179946773.46548f150bf4f@my.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20070523140429.wh7r8nh07usk8s8w@mail.dalan.us>

I'd go too, and I know a guy by the name of Jeff Lehman who would also  
help out! I'll bring the pop corn!

David

Quoting dalan at visi.com:

>
>
> Are we really going to drop the installfest for june?
>
> I'd go even if Im the only one there..
>
> Don S.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Wed May 23 16:09:17 2007
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:09:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Installfest
In-Reply-To: <20070523140429.wh7r8nh07usk8s8w@mail.dalan.us>
References: <1179946773.46548f150bf4f@my.visi.com>
	<20070523140429.wh7r8nh07usk8s8w@mail.dalan.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705231608500.7527@beer.tclug.org>

On Wed, 23 May 2007, David wrote:
> I'd go too, and I know a guy by the name of Jeff Lehman who would also
> help out! I'll bring the pop corn!

  Real nice, Dave.  Sell out our buddy. ;-P

      Jima


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu May 24 15:00:33 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:00:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] coming soon - ubuntu
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705241457220.17628@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

I hear that systems should be available later today:

http://www.dell.com/open

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Thu May 24 19:54:12 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:54:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] coming soon - ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <f0e11c480705241444n27365da5nd1e4eb873583f9d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705241457220.17628@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<f0e11c480705241444n27365da5nd1e4eb873583f9d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705241953000.6060@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Thu, 24 May 2007, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman wrote:

> On 5/24/07, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>> I hear that systems should be available later today:
>> 
>> http://www.dell.com/open
>
> I realize the site is not fully functional, but it's a bit ironic that 
> if you follow the links to build a system, it continually reloads 
> nothing,

It seems to be working now.  There's an entirely different page there.


> but at the top of that page is the line:
> 
> Dell recommends Windows Vista? Home Premium.

That's still there.  Funny.  Maybe a small concession to Microsoft.

Mike

From ron.e.nelson at gmail.com  Thu May 24 20:38:52 2007
From: ron.e.nelson at gmail.com (Ron Nelson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:38:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Off-topic: does anyone have one of these USB floppy
	drives I can borrow?
Message-ID: <be48c3340705241838t1145583eo7c53f689e7ca5059@mail.gmail.com>

Not a linux problem, but I'm hoping someone here has the hardware
sitting around...

<Grin>

I'm trying to restore a family member's laptop using the Windows XP
Automated System Recovery process.  But it looks like WinXP only
supports a limited number of USB floppy disk drives, which are
included in the Txtsetup.sif  file:

Plug and Play ID        USB floppy disk drive model
USB\VID_03EE&PID_6901   Mitsumi
USB\VID_057B&PID_0000   Y-E Data; Sony part number 09K9835
USB\VID_0644&PID_0000   TEAC; IBM option part number 27L4226, FRU 05K9283

Anybody have one of these sitting around that I can borrow?  I picked
up the USB floppy that General Nanosystems has in stock, but that's an
unsupported Sony drive.

Thanks for any help,

Ron

-- 
http://ronspace.org/


From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri May 25 11:40:42 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:40:42 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Silly mistake...RAM swap anyone?
Message-ID: <052520071640.4225.4657118A0007099B0000108122070029530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I ordered a motherboard and processor thinking I had some DDR PC3200 stashed away.

Turns out I have DDR2 PC2-4200 stashed away.

Obviously I can't use DDR2 in a DDR motherboard so....

Is anyone interested in a swap?

2GB of PC2-4200 (4 x 512MB) (533MHz DDR2) 
For 2GB of PC3200 (4 x512MB or 2 x 1GB) (400MHz DDR) 

OR if anyone wants to give me $200 for the 4 sticks of PC2-4200, I can go to Nanosys and pick up some PC3200.

These are new sticks of RAM, not used.

(Hmm, I wonder if I should have posted this in the marketplace instead? Oh well.)

--
==========
Todd Young


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri May 25 11:32:19 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:32:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting with Speaker Thursday May 31, 2007
Message-ID: <46570F93.3090106@Goecke-Dolan.com>


TCLUGer's

I know this is a little early for the next meeting, but we have Ivan 
Kohler , the creator of Freeside (http://www.sisd.com/freeside/) coming 
into town next Thursday for training.  He said he wold be willing to 
talk to the TCLUG group Thursday May 31, 2007 at 6:30pm.  I have a 
conference room here at TIES (www.ties.k12.mn.us) reserved from 6:30pm 
until 8:30pm.

So if there are no objection, and someone would be so kind to update the 
web page and send to the announce list to make it official.

Hope to see you there!

Thanks.

==>brian.


From florin at iucha.net  Sat May 26 02:12:44 2007
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 02:12:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] samba problem: "clossed connection to service
	$USERNAME"
Message-ID: <20070526071244.GE6498@iucha.net>

Hello,

I have installed a Solaris 10 Update 3 box to play with zfs and all
the cool bits.  I have set it up with the Samba binaries distributed
by Sun.  I can get to the user's files for half an hour or so after
logging-in to Windows.  After that, I keep getting "authorization
errors" or "service already connected".

A quick look on the server shows the daemons up and running.

There is nothing much in the logs except lines like this:

   [2007/05/25 17:43:06, 1] smbd/service.c:(693)
     zeus (10.0.0.3) connect to service florin initially as user florin (uid=1001, gid=1001) (pid 1066)
   [2007/05/25 17:45:16, 1] smbd/service.c:(885)
     zeus (10.0.0.3) closed connection to service florin

I STFW but I only found a handful of people reporting the same problem, and
no reply.

From my quick eyeball of Sun's support website, it seems that the latest
Samba patch predates the release of Update 3, so I presume it is included.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From escargo at skypoint.com  Sun May 27 22:09:17 2007
From: escargo at skypoint.com (David S. Cargo)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:09:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux on USB thumbstick links
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30705040756x38182ec3p8eac6d0ca9439373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ujhk535dv7ls3543rveqflb0brn94asdgn@4ax.com>

With respect Linux on USB thumb drives, both Radio Shack and Office
Depot have specials on USB storage devices; Radio Shack is selling the
SanDisk Cruzer Micro 4.0GB drive for $40; Office Depos is selling the
2.0GB drive for $20.

I plan to get another 4GB drive to put Linux on, as Eric presented to
us.

escargo


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue May 29 14:34:07 2007
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:34:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Thursday May 31, 2007
Message-ID: <465C802F.2000402@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Hello TCLUGr's

I have heard no objections so that makes it a "official", Meeting 
Thursday May 31, 2007

Could someone post this info to the website.  Or let me know how to do it ?

TCLUG Meeting!
Thursday May 31, 2007 from 6:30 - 8:00

Come listen to Ivan Kohler, Owner and Head Geek, Freeside ISP Billing

"Ivan Kohler is the original author of Freeside, an open-source billing 
package for ISPs. He has been working with ISPs to provide innovative 
and cost-effective open-source technical solutions for an unexaggerated 
10 years. Ivan has given presentations on a variety of topics, from 
secure CGI programming to billing automation, at conferences such as the 
ISP Forum, ISP Business Expo and now ISPCON. A former MAPS employee (the 
Internet's original anti-spam non-profit), he also has extensive 
experience helping ISPs survive the growing tide of spam and email 
abuse. Ivan is a CPAN author, a Debian developer and a cat person." Bio 
from ISPCON 2007 conference.

We have a conference room here at TIES and free parking in the lot.  
Please use the door on the ground floor on the west side of the building 
under the walk way to the parking garage.  TIES is located at the corner 
of Larpenteur and Snelling Ave in Saint Paul.  Here are links to more 
detailed directions and the Google map.

http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/Find_TIES.html

http://www.google.com/maps?q=1667+Snelling+Ave+N,+St+Paul,+MN+55108,+USA&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=44.990807,-93.167544&spn=0.002037,0.005021&z=18&iwloc=addr

Hope to see you there!

Brian Dolan-Goecke
Work Phone: 651-999-6221


From brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com  Thu May 24 16:44:40 2007
From: brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:44:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] coming soon - ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705241457220.17628@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705241457220.17628@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <f0e11c480705241444n27365da5nd1e4eb873583f9d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/24/07, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> I hear that systems should be available later today:
>
> http://www.dell.com/open

I realize the site is not fully functional, but it's a bit ironic that
if you follow the links to build a system, it continually reloads
nothing, but at the top of that page is the line:

Dell recommends Windows Vista? Home Premium.

:)

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman


From pcutler at foresightlinux.org  Tue May 29 20:53:01 2007
From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:53:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0705291853v5218401au80da4ae45b56d5e9@mail.gmail.com>

I want to apologize for not sending these out sooner, I've had them
typed up and forgot to send them out, and the recent meeting emails on
the list reminded me.

Thank you to everyone who came to the meeting earlier this month, we
had a great turnout and great conversation.

These are my rough notes from the meeting, and I'm sure I've missed a
few things.  Jeremy kicked it off and introduced our faculty sponsor,
Eric gave a talk on installing Linux on a flash drive, and I helped
facilitate a discussion about future meetings.

Thank you to everyone who came and participated, and please feel free
to share any feedback, ideas or volunteer to help with your meeting
organizers:

Jeremy Lizakowski - tclug at lizakowski.com
Eric Peterson: srcfoo at gmail.com
Paul Cutler: pcutler at foresightlinux.org
-------------- next part --------------
TCLUG 5/2 Meeting Notes

Kickoff by Jeremy Lizakowsi, introducing our faculty sponsor.  About 45 people in attendance, great turnout for a first meeting in almost two years!

Eric Peterson gave an overview loading a USB flash drive with a Linux distribution to use as bootable media, and showing how much faster a USB flash drive can be over a LiveCD.

Eric volunteered to send out the howto the mailing list after the meeting.

Paul Cutler facilitated a discussion about upcoming TCLUG meetings, potential content for the meetings, and a call for volunteers:

* TCLUG meetings to be regular meetings each month, planning on the first Tuesday of each month (2-3 people asked if it would be possible to move to the 2nd Tuesday as they had conflicts on the first Tuesday of the month)

* Active discussion around the TCLUG website, attendees expressed interest in seeing it updated with a new look and feel.  Discussion about volunteers to help, and Real-time offered help as well.

Brainstorming discussion about topics members would like to hear about at upcoming meetings:

Meeting Ideas:
Redundant Mail Servers
Xen Virtualisation
IEE Usergroup
x86 hardware
Virtualisation & Appliances
Open Source / Getting Involved
OpenVPN
Horde
Disaster Recovery

Volunteers:

Web:
Jeremy
Keith
John

Meetings:
Matt
Installfest (Need to coordinate with Wayne)
(Looking for more volunteers to help organize meetings too!)

Potential Presenters
Charlie (Hardware & Virtualization)

Thank you all for coming, and please feel free to share any feedback, ideas or volunteer to help with your meeting organizers:

Jeremy Lizakowski - tclug at lizakowski.com
Eric Peterson: srcfoo at gmail.com
Paul Cutler: pcutler at foresightlinux.org




From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed May 30 00:52:37 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:52:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <4c4ad4df0705291853v5218401au80da4ae45b56d5e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEKOCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the notes, but..

How did TCLUG become a UMN function that has or needs a faculty advisor?
I thought TCLUG was mostly for adults in the community with a welcome
for student interest.  Is there a name confusion with some on-campus
student group?


TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and I usually do
not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus because of
parking hassles, etc.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Cutler
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:53 PM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
>
>
> I want to apologize for not sending these out sooner, I've had them
> typed up and forgot to send them out, and the recent meeting emails on
> the list reminded me.
>
> Thank you to everyone who came to the meeting earlier this month, we
> had a great turnout and great conversation.
>
> These are my rough notes from the meeting, and I'm sure I've missed a
> few things.  Jeremy kicked it off and introduced our faculty sponsor,
> Eric gave a talk on installing Linux on a flash drive, and I helped
> facilitate a discussion about future meetings.
>
> Thank you to everyone who came and participated, and please feel free
> to share any feedback, ideas or volunteer to help with your meeting
> organizers:
>
> Jeremy Lizakowski - tclug at lizakowski.com
> Eric Peterson: srcfoo at gmail.com
> Paul Cutler: pcutler at foresightlinux.org
>




From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed May 30 03:27:19 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 03:27:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - June 6th, 2007
In-Reply-To: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com>


The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!

Date: Wed, June 6th
Time: 6:30 - 8:00
University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230 **
200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

Topics:
	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting projects etc)
		Volunteer!  
	General Q&A and discussion
		As time may permit
	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop	

** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the lecture bowl 
that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------

July meeting:   
	Wed, July 11


On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> announce two upcoming meetings:
>
> Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief hiatus,
> we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG.  The TCLUG
> website will be updated soon with the event information as well.
>
> Date: Wed., May 2nd
> Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-210
> 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
>
> Topics:
>
> 1. Welcome & Introduction
> 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
>
> Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will be
> heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We invite
> everyone to come along!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
>
> Date: Wed., June 7th
> Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-210
> 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
>
> Topics
>
> 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10 -
> 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a topic
> with the group..  More information will be available at the May 2nd
> meeting.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
>
> If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact the
> volunteer meeting organizers:
>
> Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)


From pcutler at foresightlinux.org  Wed May 30 07:03:52 2007
From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:03:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEKOCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <4c4ad4df0705291853v5218401au80da4ae45b56d5e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEKOCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0705300503q5fc59705w6dc8f5820a416688@mail.gmail.com>

Jeremy can answer the question better than I can, but I believe having
a faculty sponsor guarantees the ability to reserve a room where we
can meet.  Our thought process was that  to get the TCLUG meetings
started again, the UMN campus was fairly central for most, and it was
where previous meetings had been held.

I'm not familiar with TIES - can you share more information?

Thanks.

Paul

On 5/30/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the notes, but..
>
> How did TCLUG become a UMN function that has or needs a faculty advisor?
> I thought TCLUG was mostly for adults in the community with a welcome
> for student interest.  Is there a name confusion with some on-campus
> student group?
>
>
> TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and I usually do
> not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus because of
> parking hassles, etc.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Cutler
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:53 PM
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
> >
> >
> > I want to apologize for not sending these out sooner, I've had them
> > typed up and forgot to send them out, and the recent meeting emails on
> > the list reminded me.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone who came to the meeting earlier this month, we
> > had a great turnout and great conversation.
> >
> > These are my rough notes from the meeting, and I'm sure I've missed a
> > few things.  Jeremy kicked it off and introduced our faculty sponsor,
> > Eric gave a talk on installing Linux on a flash drive, and I helped
> > facilitate a discussion about future meetings.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone who came and participated, and please feel free
> > to share any feedback, ideas or volunteer to help with your meeting
> > organizers:
> >
> > Jeremy Lizakowski - tclug at lizakowski.com
> > Eric Peterson: srcfoo at gmail.com
> > Paul Cutler: pcutler at foresightlinux.org
> >
>
>
>


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed May 30 15:17:54 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:17:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <4c4ad4df0705300503q5fc59705w6dc8f5820a416688@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0705291853v5218401au80da4ae45b56d5e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEKOCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<4c4ad4df0705300503q5fc59705w6dc8f5820a416688@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705301244280.6530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 30 May 2007, Paul Cutler wrote:
> On 5/30/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and I usually do 
>> not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus because of 
>> parking hassles, etc.

I'm curious about the "etc."


> Jeremy can answer the question better than I can, but I believe having a 
> faculty sponsor guarantees the ability to reserve a room where we can 
> meet.  Our thought process was that to get the TCLUG meetings started 
> again, the UMN campus was fairly central for most, and it was where 
> previous meetings had been held.

That makes sense, but is there any way to deal with the parking problem on 
campus?  It usually costs $2.50 per hour in the garages, but can the U 
ever allow free parking for an event?  If no one knows, I can find out.

The U also has some off-campus buildings, like the one I work in...

http://www1.umn.edu/twincities/maps/WBOB/
http://tinyurl.com/2yg582

...where it seems that our large parking lot adjacent to the building is 
free to all on any Sundays if there is no Twins or Vikings game (e.g., 
6/24, 7/1, 7/8, 7/29, 8/12, 8/26 would be possible days).  We could almost 
certainly get a room near the parking lot and on the same floor.

Mike


From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed May 30 15:55:50 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:55:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705301244280.6530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Miller [mailto:mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:18 PM
>
> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > On 5/30/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and
> I usually do
> >> not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus

>
> The U also has some off-campus buildings, like the one I work in...
>

The U is simply not a desirable place to meet, otherwise the
professional associations would consider meeting there, and haven't for
the last 20 years or so. I think they simply found fewer hassles and
grumblings from attendees to meet elsewhere.

My attendance certainly isn't necessary.  I'm just sharing an easy to
see preference that's not uncommon in town.  The U area is probably best
left for student activities.  Harumph  :-)


Chuck




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Wed May 30 16:42:48 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:42:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0705301634360.6530@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Wed, 30 May 2007, Chuck Cole wrote:

> The U is simply not a desirable place to meet, otherwise the 
> professional associations would consider meeting there, and haven't for 
> the last 20 years or so. I think they simply found fewer hassles and 
> grumblings from attendees to meet elsewhere.
>
> My attendance certainly isn't necessary.  I'm just sharing an easy to 
> see preference that's not uncommon in town.  The U area is probably best 
> left for student activities.  Harumph :-)


In other words, other than parking problems, you cannot name one reason 
why we should not meet in a University-owned building.  Is that right? 
Associations might not meet at the U because of parking problems or 
because they don't have a sponsor.  Why is the U "simply not desirable?"

Are you really saying that if we had a meeting in a University building 
with free parking attached to the building that you would not attend that 
meeting because the building is owned by the University?

I'm wide open to hearing any of the reasons why we should not meet in a 
University building.  I really want to know what those reasons are.  So 
far I have one -- parking problems -- but I think that can sometimes be 
taken care of.

Mike


From Jeremy at lizakowski.com  Wed May 30 03:02:18 2007
From: Jeremy at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 03:02:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting
Message-ID: <200705300302.18343.Jeremy@lizakowski.com>

> I have heard no objections so that makes it a "official", Meeting

There is already a TCLUG meeting scheduled for Wed, June 6.  It was announced 
a while back, and will still meet as scheduled.  

You are, of course, free to have a separate meeting if you wish - Mr. Kohler 
sounds like a good speaker.  Two meetings close together will be fine, as the 
subject matter is distinct.  For upcoming meetings, however, we request that 
interested people join us for the planning meetings so that we can coordinate 
schedules.  It is open to all who would like to volunteer - and we can always 
use help.  

We will be sending out the reminder for the June 6 meeting in the next email. 
Based on feedback at the last general meeting, there is a proposal to move 
the meetings to the 2nd wednesday of the month.  This will be necessary for 
the July meeting, since the 1st Wed happens to be the 4th of July.

Thank you,

Jeremy


On Tuesday 29 May 2007 2:34 pm, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> Hello TCLUGr's
>
> I have heard no objections so that makes it a "official", Meeting
> Thursday May 31, 2007
>
> Could someone post this info to the website.  Or let me know how to do it ?
>
> TCLUG Meeting!
> Thursday May 31, 2007 from 6:30 - 8:00
>
> Come listen to Ivan Kohler, Owner and Head Geek, Freeside ISP Billing
>
> "Ivan Kohler is the original author of Freeside, an open-source billing
> package for ISPs. He has been working with ISPs to provide innovative
> and cost-effective open-source technical solutions for an unexaggerated
> 10 years. Ivan has given presentations on a variety of topics, from
> secure CGI programming to billing automation, at conferences such as the
> ISP Forum, ISP Business Expo and now ISPCON. A former MAPS employee (the
> Internet's original anti-spam non-profit), he also has extensive
> experience helping ISPs survive the growing tide of spam and email
> abuse. Ivan is a CPAN author, a Debian developer and a cat person." Bio
> from ISPCON 2007 conference.
>
> We have a conference room here at TIES and free parking in the lot.
> Please use the door on the ground floor on the west side of the building
> under the walk way to the parking garage.  TIES is located at the corner
> of Larpenteur and Snelling Ave in Saint Paul.  Here are links to more
> detailed directions and the Google map.
>
> http://www.ties.k12.mn.us/Find_TIES.html
>
> http://www.google.com/maps?q=1667+Snelling+Ave+N,+St+Paul,+MN+55108,+USA&ie
>=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=44.990807,-93.167544&spn=0.002037,0.005021&z=18&iwloc=addr
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Brian Dolan-Goecke
> Work Phone: 651-999-6221
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed May 30 18:19:16 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:19:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Notes (5/2/2007)
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGGEKPCHAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200705301819.16924.tclug@lizakowski.com>

> The U is simply not a desirable place to meet, 

The university has many advantages.  It is centrally located, has excellent 
mass transit, we have access to very nice lecture facilities, it is within 
walking distance for a large quantity of students who probably don't have 
cars, it has a plethora of restaurants and coffee shops nearby for 
post-meetings, we have the internal sponsorship of computer science faculty, 
which is a natural fit and may provide interesting lectures, demos, and the 
ability to connect with students via mailing lists and other means. 

Parking is not as convenient as less-central locations.   However, hosting the 
meeting on one side of the cities or another will always leave someone 
driving further than they want, or taking extra bus transfers.  

Jeremy


On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:55 pm, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Miller [mailto:mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:18 PM
> >
> > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > > On 5/30/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >> TCLUG Meetings at TIES are MUCH more attractive to me, and
> >
> > I usually do
> >
> > >> not attend meetings when they are held on the UMN campus
> >
> > The U also has some off-campus buildings, like the one I work in...
>
> The U is simply not a desirable place to meet, otherwise the
> professional associations would consider meeting there, and haven't for
> the last 20 years or so. I think they simply found fewer hassles and
> grumblings from attendees to meet elsewhere.
>
> My attendance certainly isn't necessary.  I'm just sharing an easy to
> see preference that's not uncommon in town.  The U area is probably best
> left for student activities.  Harumph  :-)
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu May 31 10:45:18 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:45:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200705311545.l4VFjI802087@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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Type of Ad: For Sale

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From tclug at lizakowski.com  Thu May 31 17:33:32 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - June 6th, 2007
In-Reply-To: <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200705311733.32841.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Update to the agenda for next Wednesday's meeting:
	Chris Barber has volunteered to talk about a Linux-based file server project.

Agenda Topics:
 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
 	Community presentations (describe interesting projects, topics, etc) 
		Homemade linux-based file storage server with LCD display (Chris Barber)
		Volunteer!
 	General Q&A and discussion
 		As time may permit
 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop


On Wednesday 30 May 2007 3:27 am, Jeremy wrote:
> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
>
> Date: Wed, June 6th
> Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230
> ** 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
>
> Topics:
> 	Intro to Debugging and Profiling in Linux
> 		valgrind, ddd, strace, and gprof
> 	Community presentations (10-30 minutes to describe interesting projects
> etc) Volunteer!
> 	General Q&A and discussion
> 		As time may permit
> 	Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop
>
> ** Note that this is a room change.  We will be meeting in the lecture bowl
> that is next door to the room used at the last meeting.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> July meeting:
> 	Wed, July 11
>
> On Friday 20 April 2007 7:25 am, Paul Cutler wrote:
> > Mark your calendars! The Twin Cities Linux User Group is pleased to
> > announce two upcoming meetings:
> >
> > Please feel free to forward this announcement.  After a brief hiatus,
> > we're excited to bring back regular meetings of the TCLUG.  The TCLUG
> > website will be updated soon with the event information as well.
> >
> > Date: Wed., May 2nd
> > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> >
> > Topics:
> >
> > 1. Welcome & Introduction
> > 2. Linux on a USB Flash Drive  (Eric Peterson)
> > 3. Getting involved (TCLUG information, future meetings & meeting
> > topics, volunteer to speak at a TCLUG meeting)
> >
> > Food and drink are not allowed in the U of M classrooms.  For those
> > who would like to get to know each other a little better, we will be
> > heading out for food and drinks afterward. (Location TBD)  We invite
> > everyone to come along!
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >-- ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > June Meeting (Tentative, more information at 5/2 meeting):
> >
> > Date: Wed., June 7th
> > Time: 6:30 - 8:00
> > University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room:
> > 3-210 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
> > (Google Map:  http://tinyurl.com/2omnv6)
> >
> > Topics
> >
> > 1. Feedback from 5/2 meeting
> > 2. Lightning talks:  We would like to provide short time slots (10 -
> > 30 minutes) for any member to demonstrate a project or discuss a topic
> > with the group..  More information will be available at the May 2nd
> > meeting.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >-- -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Upcoming events are also viewable on the TCLUG Google Calendar:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2c5d8w (Requires a Google Account).
> >
> > If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact the
> > volunteer meeting organizers:
> >
> > Paul Cutler (pcutler at foresightlinux.org)
> > Jeremy Lizakowski (tclug at Lizakowski.com)
> > Eric Peterson (srcfoo at gmail.com)