From admin at lctn.org  Tue Apr  1 11:18:25 2008
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:18:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
Message-ID: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>

This summer my parents are going around the states on their bike. I want to set up a web site that can be updated daily, showing their progress. Is there a web app that they can key in gps coordinates that will produce a nice map view of their progress? 

-- 
Raymond Norton 
LCTN 

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From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Apr  1 12:01:52 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:01:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
In-Reply-To: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
References: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
Message-ID: <F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>

Google Maps?  You may need to do the Pro/subscription version to do  
the GPS stuff, though.

Eric

On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, admin at lctn.org wrote:
> This summer my parents are going around the states on their bike. I  
> want to set up a web site that can be updated daily, showing their  
> progress. Is there a web app that they can key in gps coordinates  
> that will produce a nice map view of their progress?
>
> -- 
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From trnja001 at umn.edu  Tue Apr  1 12:06:00 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:06:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
In-Reply-To: <F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>
References: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
	<F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <47F26B78.40903@umn.edu>

Although it doesn't work with GPS coordinates from what I can tell, this 
site would be the next best thing and it uses Google Maps - 
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/

eg. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1430152

Eric F Crist wrote:
> Google Maps?  You may need to do the Pro/subscription version to do  
> the GPS stuff, though.
>
> Eric
>
> On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, admin at lctn.org wrote:
>   
>> This summer my parents are going around the states on their bike. I  
>> want to set up a web site that can be updated daily, showing their  
>> progress. Is there a web app that they can key in gps coordinates  
>> that will produce a nice map view of their progress?
>>
>> -- 
>> Raymond Norton
>> LCTN
>>
>>     


From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 12:13:51 2008
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:13:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
In-Reply-To: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
References: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
Message-ID: <27e6356a0804011013w66a91f96h2783e0829fbaf5f1@mail.gmail.com>

I have friends who have used motionbased.com with their Garmin, but
that requres a Garmin GPS unit, and your computer to have the Garmin
software, as I understand it.  The up side to that is you get LOTS of
information, the down side is it is proprietary.  It may be worth a
look.
- Justin

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM,  <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> This summer my parents are going around the states on their bike. I want to
> set up a web site that can be updated daily, showing their progress. Is
> there a web app that they can key in gps coordinates that will produce a
> nice map view of their progress?
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Apr  1 12:46:31 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:46:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
In-Reply-To: <F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>
References: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
	<F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0804011226310.4192@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:

> Google Maps?  You may need to do the Pro/subscription version to do the 
> GPS stuff, though.

You can use latitude/longitude coordinates in ordinary Google Maps. 
Example:

http://maps.google.com/?ll=44.973573,-93.257833&z=16

The "ll=" are latitude,longitude coordinates and "z=" is the zoom level.

That doesn't quite answer the question about a map of a bike trip, but it 
might help.

Mike


From dru at druswanderings.net  Tue Apr  1 12:25:01 2008
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:25:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT web app recommendation
In-Reply-To: <47F26B78.40903@umn.edu>
References: <2139439.51207066705106.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>	<F9AA6C4E-09D2-47EF-91D9-4E950705538F@secure-computing.net>
	<47F26B78.40903@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47F26FED.3020601@druswanderings.net>

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I Googled a couple of things and hit the following site that has some
possibilities.  I haven't looked at any of them personally so I can't
speak to the quality of the list.

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/12/explosion_of_gps_map.html

- --
Andy Moore
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 9235A5B9
http://www.druswanderings.net

Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store!
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From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu  Thu Apr  3 08:17:20 2008
From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:17:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces
Message-ID: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>

The file written by script during a router session contains
backspaces.

For example:

$cat -A xx
AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.0.^H ^H0^M$
AC6509#sho te h^H ^H^H ^Hch^M$

In order to share the file with Windows users, the backspaces
need to be removed. The file should be a WYSIWYG of cat:

$cat xx
AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.00
AC6509#sho tech

Web searches and experimenting with various command options
and pipes didn't solve the problem.

I wrote the following to remove the backspaces:

#!/bin/bash
while :
do
  if ( egrep -m1 ^H xx > /dev/null )
  then
     sed -i 's/.^H//' xx
  else
     exit
  fi
done
  sed -i 's/^M//' xx

Is there an easier solution using Linux commands?


Thad


From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Thu Apr  3 08:48:51 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:48:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces
In-Reply-To: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
Message-ID: <60D67BBF-90B1-4F27-B410-97BA39D5C5E9@secure-computing.net>

Does the following do what you need:

# cat xx > clean.txt

All those special things should be removed.

Eric Crist


On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote:
> The file written by script during a router session contains
> backspaces.
>
> For example:
>
> $cat -A xx
> AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.0.^H ^H0^M$
> AC6509#sho te h^H ^H^H ^Hch^M$
>
> In order to share the file with Windows users, the backspaces
> need to be removed. The file should be a WYSIWYG of cat:
>
> $cat xx
> AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.00
> AC6509#sho tech
>
> Web searches and experimenting with various command options
> and pipes didn't solve the problem.
>
> I wrote the following to remove the backspaces:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> while :
> do
>  if ( egrep -m1 ^H xx > /dev/null )
>  then
>     sed -i 's/.^H//' xx
>  else
>     exit
>  fi
> done
>  sed -i 's/^M//' xx
>
> Is there an easier solution using Linux commands?
>
>
> Thad
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From florin at iucha.net  Thu Apr  3 08:59:24 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:59:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces
In-Reply-To: <60D67BBF-90B1-4F27-B410-97BA39D5C5E9@secure-computing.net>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
	<60D67BBF-90B1-4F27-B410-97BA39D5C5E9@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <20080403135924.GV3123@iris.iucha.org>

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 08:48:51AM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote:
> Does the following do what you need:
> 
> # cat xx > clean.txt
> 
> All those special things should be removed.

Nope.  They are interpreted by the terminal, that's why they 'are
removed' when you cat to the console.  After your command, xx and
clean.txt are identical.

florin

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From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu  Thu Apr  3 09:08:23 2008
From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:08:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces - Summarized solution
In-Reply-To: <81675d140804030652l563fa625nbc0310a1ee62b1b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
	<81675d140804030652l563fa625nbc0310a1ee62b1b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887E0A@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>

dos2unix didn't remove them
cat xx > xxx  didn't remove them
strings does remove them

Thanks Gerry. I knew there had to be an easier way.

Does the flavor of linux you have offer dos2unix and unix2dos commands?

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Wakefield, Thad M. <twakefield at stcloudstate.edu<mailto:twakefield at stcloudstate.edu>> wrote:
The file written by script during a router session contains
backspaces.

For example:

$cat -A xx
AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.0.^H ^H0^M$
AC6509#sho te h^H ^H^H ^Hch^M$

In order to share the file with Windows users, the backspaces
need to be removed. The file should be a WYSIWYG of cat:

$cat xx
AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.00
AC6509#sho tech

Web searches and experimenting with various command options
and pipes didn't solve the problem.

I wrote the following to remove the backspaces:

#!/bin/bash
while :
do
 if ( egrep -m1 ^H xx > /dev/null )
 then
    sed -i 's/.^H//' xx
 else
    exit
 fi
done
 sed -i 's/^M//' xx

Is there an easier solution using Linux commands?


Thad

_______________________________________________
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From nate at refried.org  Thu Apr  3 09:16:43 2008
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:16:43 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces
In-Reply-To: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
Message-ID: <20080403141643.GB23027@refried.org>

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 08:17:20AM -0500, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote:
> The file written by script during a router session contains
> backspaces.
> 
> For example:
> 
> $cat -A xx
> AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.0.^H ^H0^M$
> AC6509#sho te h^H ^H^H ^Hch^M$
> 
> In order to share the file with Windows users, the backspaces
> need to be removed. The file should be a WYSIWYG of cat:

col -b

Nate


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Apr  3 09:25:14 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:25:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces - Summarized solution
In-Reply-To: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887E0A@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
	<81675d140804030652l563fa625nbc0310a1ee62b1b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887E0A@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
Message-ID: <20080403142513.GW3123@iris.iucha.org>

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 09:08:23AM -0500, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote:
> dos2unix didn't remove them
> cat xx > xxx  didn't remove them
> strings does remove them

Strings *removes* the 'backspace' chars, but does not *interpret*
them.

So from 'ls secret^H^H^H^H^H^Hponies' you want 'ls ponies' but strings
gives you 'ls secretponies'.

florin

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From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu  Thu Apr  3 09:41:00 2008
From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:41:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing backspaces - Summarized solution
In-Reply-To: <20080403142513.GW3123@iris.iucha.org>
References: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887DFA@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
	<81675d140804030652l563fa625nbc0310a1ee62b1b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887E0A@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>
	<20080403142513.GW3123@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <46F734D80491F44F8D149C9368711144128F887E16@SCSU80.campus.stcloudstate.edu>

>On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 09:08:23AM -0500, Wakefield, Thad M. wrote:
>> dos2unix didn't remove them
>> cat xx > xxx  didn't remove them
>> strings does remove them
>
>Strings *removes* the 'backspace' chars, but does not *interpret*
>them.
>
>So from 'ls secret^H^H^H^H^H^Hponies' you want 'ls ponies' but strings
>gives you 'ls secretponies'.
>
>florin

You are correct. Strings returned:

AC6509#sho proc cpu | e 0.0.
AC6509#sho te h

However, Nate's "col -b" does work. I double-checked this time.

Thanks Nate.

Thad



From dniesen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 08:12:53 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:12:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Looking for some 3COM phone switch experience
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70804040612l251839efs5cc1749cd51d7cdf@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for some help with some advanced programming on a 3Com phone
switch.  We are trying to route based on caller id and the syntax for this
is a bit of a learning curve that I'd rather not take on.

Anybody have experience with these beasts or know where I could find
someone?  I am expecting to pay for this type of help.

Thanks!

-- 
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From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 04:14:45 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:44:45 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS settings
Message-ID: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,
I would like to configure my laptop to use
4.2.2.2/4.2.2.3 as DNS. The problems is everytime
my machines requests for a dynamic IP via DHCP, my
DNS settings get reset. Is it possible to override
this? I am running Fedora 8.
Regards 
Deepan 
Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 




From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 04:13:19 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:43:19 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS settings
Message-ID: <8952c542164f2cd98f9d8690a35ddf3c@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,
I would like to configure my laptop to use
4.2.2.2/4.2.2.3 as DNS. The problems is everytime
my machines requests for a dynamic IP via DHCP, my
DNS settings get reset. Is it possible to override
this? I am running Fedora 8.
Regards 
Deepan 
Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 




From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Apr  6 08:11:36 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:11:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <47F8CC08.4020806@mtu.net>

Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would like to configure my laptop to use
> 4.2.2.2/4.2.2.3 as DNS. The problems is everytime
> my machines requests for a dynamic IP via DHCP, my
> DNS settings get reset. Is it possible to override
> this? I am running Fedora 8.
>   
See dhclient.conf (assuming you're using dhclient for DHCP). Here's my 
dhclient.conf that specifies my local DNS server before the ISPs.
interface "dc0" {
  send host-name "eggplant";
  #send dhcp-client-identifier "1:0:e0:29:85:6d:7a";
  #send dhcp-lease-time 86400;
  prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
  supersede domain-name "mn.mtu.net";
  request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers,
         domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name;
}


-- 
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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From strayf at freeshell.org  Sun Apr  6 13:43:08 2008
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:43:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <47F919BC.4090403@freeshell.org>

Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would like to configure my laptop to use
> 4.2.2.2/4.2.2.3 as DNS. The problems is everytime
> my machines requests for a dynamic IP via DHCP, my
> DNS settings get reset. Is it possible to override
> this? I am running Fedora 8.

If you're using dhclient you can add a "prepend domain-name-servers"
line to your dhclient.conf file. I'm not sure how pump or other dhcp
clients handle this.

-Steve


From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 14:55:23 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan Chakravarthy)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:25:23 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <47F919BC.4090403@freeshell.org>
References: <d4d040e6385ed3509755494abf844a77@localhost.localdomain>
	<47F919BC.4090403@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <47F92AAB.4020401@gmail.com>

Steve Cayford wrote:
> Deepan wrote:
>   
>> Hi All,
>> I would like to configure my laptop to use
>> 4.2.2.2/4.2.2.3 as DNS. The problems is everytime
>> my machines requests for a dynamic IP via DHCP, my
>> DNS settings get reset. Is it possible to override
>> this? I am running Fedora 8.
>>     
>
> If you're using dhclient you can add a "prepend domain-name-servers"
> line to your dhclient.conf file. I'm not sure how pump or other dhcp
> clients handle this.
>
> -Steve
>   
I just added the following to config files.. it works.. thanks

"PEERDNS=no"



-- 
Deepan
Sudoku Solver http://www.sudoku-solver.net/



From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Mon Apr  7 12:27:26 2008
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:27:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] VOIP Presentation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1207069214.8358.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKOENDFDAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>

TCLUG,
I am planning on coming to this presentation.
Where is the building and where do I park?
Any help would be appreciated.
Tom

GreenCare
Thomas Rieff
1717 3rd Avenue
Mankato, MN 56001
(507) 344-8314 Office
(507) 344-8316 Fax



Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:49:50 -0500
From: Jeremy <tclug at lizakowski.com>
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting:  Wed, April 9, 7:00 - 8:30pm
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Cc: tclug-announce at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200803311349.51028.tclug at lizakowski.com>
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The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!

The next meeting will feature Voice Over IP on Linux:

Curious to learn about doing VOIP on Linux? In this presentation we will
show
some of the features of the popular open source telephony system called
Asterisk. From setting up voicemail, to conference calling, to an
interactive
voice response system, come and check out what Asterisk on Linux is all
about.

Presenters:

Justin Grammens : Localtone Interactive, LLC - http://www.localtone.com -
Localtone Interactive is a Minneapolis, MN based internet application
development company focusing on using Ruby on Rails, Java, Linux and Open
Source technologies to provide business solutions to our clients.

Jason Brockman : OneNet USA - http://www.onenetusa.com/ - OneNet USA is a
Communications Solutions Provider offering integrated network solutions for
voice, data, IP, and video to a diverse clientele

Eric Osterberg : Sound Choice Communications, LLC -
http://www.soundchoicecomm.com/ - Founded in May of 2001, Sound Choice
Communications offers competitive telecommunications services in Minnesota
including highspeed DSL, local VoIP dialtone, private data circuits, and
VoIP long distance service.

NOTE:  there is a room change.

 Date: Wed, April 9th
 Time: 7:00 - 8:30 pm
 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-115
 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

 http://www.tclug.org







From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Mon Apr  7 12:13:31 2008
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:13:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ldap + tls issues
Message-ID: <47FA563B.7010804@cdf123.net>

Hi all,

I'm working on migrating a network to allow for more users and easier 
scaling.  I'm also splitting up the main server into separate tasks.  As 
long as I'm doing all this I thought it would be prudent to add an LDAP 
server for authentication/email/etc...  I'm running gentoo-hardened on 
the ldap server and I have been following the gentoo ldap guides here:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ldap-howto.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LDAPv3

This got me a decent setup, and everything works good, but now I'm 
trying to secure it using TLS and I can't seem to get it working.  I've 
followed both guides, searched google, and still come up with nothing. 
I've verified the CN is correct, I've copied the cert from the server to 
the test client, and I've verified that the certs are ok using openssl.

running 'ldapsearch -H ldap://valid-cn -D "cn=Manager,dc=secret,dc=com" 
-W' lists everything that I've imported, but adding the -Z to the 
command exits with this:

ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11)
         additional info: error:14090086:SSL 
routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed

I'm using the same common name for the ldap:// protocol as was entered 
in the cert.  Here's the relevant config sections:

/etc/openldap/slapd.conf (server only)
TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2
TLSCertificateFile /etc/ssl/ldap.pem
TLSCertificateKeyFile /etc/openldap/ldap-key.pem
TLS_REQCERT     allow

/etc/openldap/ldap.conf (client and server)
TLS_CERT     /etc/ssl/ldap.pem
TLS_KEY      /etc/openldap/ldap-key.pem
TLS_REQUEST     never

Is there anything else I should check with the certs?

Also, I've been looking for a decent guide to help with installation and 
maintenance for LDAP and I'm coming up dead.  I've even checked the 
libraries and bookstores, and apart from a 2-8 page reference in a few 
general administrative books, I've found nothing.  Can anyone recommend 
a good book/site on how to maintain/administer/install LDAP?  I've spent 
over a week on this and it's still not operational and I'm starting to 
pull my hair out.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Chris


From trnja001 at umn.edu  Mon Apr  7 12:24:33 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] VOIP Presentation
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKOENDFDAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
References: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKOENDFDAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
Message-ID: <47FA58D1.2020300@umn.edu>

Date: Wed, April 9th
 Time: 7:00 - 8:30 pm
 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-115
 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

 http://www.tclug.org http://www1.umn.edu/twincities/maps/EECSci/EECSci-map.html


There is a parking ramp right across the street (east side) of the EECS 
building at http://www1.umn.edu/pts/maps/ebmeter.htm
It's probably a good idea to print off a copy of the map.

Thomas Rieff wrote:
> TCLUG,
> I am planning on coming to this presentation.
> Where is the building and where do I park?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Tom
>
> GreenCare
> Thomas Rieff
> 1717 3rd Avenue
> Mankato, MN 56001
> (507) 344-8314 Office
> (507) 344-8316 Fax
>
>   



From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 14:04:34 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:04:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ldap + tls issues
In-Reply-To: <47FA563B.7010804@cdf123.net>
References: <47FA563B.7010804@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0804071204o599219c0i2efd1da1fa3c5551@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/7/08, Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm working on migrating a network to allow for more users and easier
> scaling.  I'm also splitting up the main server into separate tasks.  As
> long as I'm doing all this I thought it would be prudent to add an LDAP
> server for authentication/email/etc...  I'm running gentoo-hardened on
> the ldap server and I have been following the gentoo ldap guides here:


Excellent idea, I've been considering doing something like this myself.

running 'ldapsearch -H ldap://valid-cn -D "cn=Manager,dc=secret,dc=com"
-W' lists everything that I've imported, but adding the -Z to the
command exits with this: (error omitted)

Do you need a -N to specify the certificate?  Otherwise you might try using
ldaps:// instead of ldap://.

-Brian
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From tclug at lizakowski.com  Mon Apr  7 14:20:51 2008
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:20:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] VOIP Presentation
In-Reply-To: <47FA58D1.2020300@umn.edu>
References: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKOENDFDAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
	<47FA58D1.2020300@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200804071420.51315.tclug@lizakowski.com>


There is also street parking if you don't mind walking a few blocks.  There 
are often spots in stadium village, near essex and erie street.  It's also on 
the bus line, and I believe the Bus connects to light rail at the metrodome.

Jeremy


On Monday 07 April 2008 12:24:33 pm Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> Date: Wed, April 9th
>  Time: 7:00 - 8:30 pm
>  University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-115
>  200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455
>
>  http://www.tclug.org
> http://www1.umn.edu/twincities/maps/EECSci/EECSci-map.html
>
>
> There is a parking ramp right across the street (east side) of the EECS
> building at http://www1.umn.edu/pts/maps/ebmeter.htm
> It's probably a good idea to print off a copy of the map.
>
> Thomas Rieff wrote:
> > TCLUG,
> > I am planning on coming to this presentation.
> > Where is the building and where do I park?
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> > Tom
> >
> > GreenCare
> > Thomas Rieff
> > 1717 3rd Avenue
> > Mankato, MN 56001
> > (507) 344-8314 Office
> > (507) 344-8316 Fax
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From thecubic at thecubic.net  Mon Apr  7 18:05:11 2008
From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:05:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ldap + tls issues
In-Reply-To: <47FA563B.7010804@cdf123.net>
References: <47FA563B.7010804@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <200804071805.11704.thecubic@thecubic.net>

Certificates are a chain of trust - it's very likely that you just don't trust 
your own SSL certificate authority.  For me, the file where the trusted 
certificate authorities is /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt - adding your CA 
certificate (my system default is /etc/pki/CA/cacert.pem) to there will trust 
it.

If you are also listening on ldaps (not starttls, that's different), you can 
see how openssl is trying to verify the certificate through "openssl 
s_client -connect <myhost>:<mysport>".  Once that returns OK, ldaps should 
work.

Also it's worthwhile to mention http://www.cacert.org/ here - it's a free 
certificate authority that you can use to sign certificates that other people 
will be able to trust (once they import cacert's certificate, that is)

I can't recommend any LDAP books as I learned the hard way...

-Dave

On Monday 07 April 2008 12:13:31 pm Chris Frederick wrote:
> ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11)
>          additional info: error:14090086:SSL
> routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed



From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 14:52:15 2008
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:52:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
	network.
In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0803280920p34ddf8acmd3e5a091aec21875@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
	<C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>
	<47E9A181.2030005@mtu.net>
	<2c6699da0803280920p34ddf8acmd3e5a091aec21875@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82f04dc40804091252y661d85b4g4d40dce95dedc3b2@mail.gmail.com>

To my knowledge, Fedora Directory Services at its core is just an ldap server.

They bought the Netscape ldap server, opensourced it, and integrated
it into Fedora.  I don't know how good the integration is yet.

I think their main reason for this was that the alternative - OpenLDAP
- tends to have lots of issues and their community doesn't really get
along well with other developers, from my experience, anyway.

Dan

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> > It was easier than setting up the SSL cert for LDAP and I was also
> > trying to see how tough it would be to use this method to integrate with
> > windows authentication.  It's also easy to integrate with Apache, which
> > is something else I needed.
>
> As I recall, Fedora directory services was supposed to do all of this.
> Anyone know?
>
> -Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
>  TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>  tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>  http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Apr  9 16:42:11 2008
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:42:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting: Tonight 7:00 - 8:30pm
In-Reply-To: <200803311349.51028.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <200711051205.21920.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200803311349.51028.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200804091642.11410.tclug@lizakowski.com>


The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!

The next meeting will feature Voice Over IP on Linux:

Curious to learn about doing VOIP on Linux? In this presentation we will
show some of the features of the popular open source telephony system
called Asterisk. From setting up voicemail, to conference calling, to an
interactive voice response system, come and check out what Asterisk on
Linux is all about.

Presenters:

Justin Grammens : Localtone Interactive, LLC - http://www.localtone.com -
Localtone Interactive is a Minneapolis, MN based internet application
development company focusing on using Ruby on Rails, Java, Linux and Open
Source technologies to provide business solutions to our clients.

Jason Brockman : OneNet USA - http://www.onenetusa.com/ - OneNet USA is a
Communications Solutions Provider offering integrated network solutions for
voice, data, IP, and video to a diverse clientele

Eric Osterberg : Sound Choice Communications, LLC -
http://www.soundchoicecomm.com/ - Founded in May of 2001, Sound Choice
Communications offers competitive telecommunications services in Minnesota
including highspeed DSL, local VoIP dialtone, private data circuits, and
VoIP long distance service.

NOTE:  there is a room change.

 Date: Wed, April 9th
 Time: 7:00 - 8:30 pm
 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-115
 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

 http://www.tclug.org


From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Apr 11 09:35:22 2008
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:35:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
	network.
In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40804091252y661d85b4g4d40dce95dedc3b2@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
	<C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>
	<47E9A181.2030005@mtu.net>
	<2c6699da0803280920p34ddf8acmd3e5a091aec21875@mail.gmail.com>
	<82f04dc40804091252y661d85b4g4d40dce95dedc3b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15838.1207924522@skuld.wookimus.net>

I haven't had any problems with OpenLDAP in the past.  We're not using
it right now, but I'll likely be doing something with it in the near
future.  To effectively manage the OpenLDAP server for simple user
logins and system accounts, look at the commandline tool called "cpu".
Yes, bad name.  Simple and effective.  There are some nice GUI and WebUI
tools out there as well.

Remember, with LDAP, you can stuff a lot of information into it, and
most of your essential network services applications have a back-end to
query LDAP directly or can go to PAM for the information.  i.e. SSH
keys, Kerberos keys, passwords, server configurations, home directory
locations (for autofs), etc.

Don't be scared away from OpenLDAP.  It's powerful, flexible, and
reliable... in my experience.

Chad


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Fri Apr 11 11:37:47 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:37:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804111637.m3BGblu13250@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Computer Rack

HP "System E" Rack. 
19" wide equipment. 

- Has caster wheels, so it?s easy to roll in a server room. 
- Has adjustable feet to use for permanent placement. 
- Has 5 removable panels on each side. 
- Has a rear mesh door. 
- Comes with a retractable keyboard tray and 2nd shelf. 

For more information checkout HP's site: 

http://h18004.www1.hp.com /products /servers /proliantstorage /bcs-rackandpower /rack-accessories /rack_systemE.html 

Available in Blooomington. 
No delivery, pickup only. 

Contact Jim Streit at 952-897-7791 or e-mail jstreit at welshco.com for additional information.

Seller Email address: jimstreit at northlans dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Fri Apr 11 13:32:01 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:32:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Unix Admin Position
Message-ID: <255C2DC8-2B04-4FDB-AC40-27DE0316DFD0@secure-computing.net>

Hey folks!

ClaimLynx, Inc is looking for an entry level administrator to assist  
with our network of FreeBSD servers and Cisco routers.  There would be  
some opportunity for development with PHP and perl, but the primary  
responsibilities would lie with administrations of the network and  
servers.

The following skills are *required*:
* Unix/Linux Experience (You should be comfortable at the command line.)
* Basic understanding of networking and TCP/IP.
* Basic understanding of firewalls.  PF experience a plus.

Knowledge and experience in the following areas is a huge plus:
* PHP and/or Perl
* Cisco VPNs
* MySQL and/or PostgreSQL

We're looking for entry to mid-level experience at this time.  Please  
send your resume, along with a brief description of your knowledge and  
why you'd be right for the job to ecrist<at>claimlynx.com.

---
Eric F Crist
System Administrator
ClaimLynx, Inc



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 13:47:29 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:47:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131847.m3DIlTd13414@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Compaq Proliant 7000

Compaq Proliant 7000 Tower Server - $500

This was my main file server at home for about three years.  Runs flawlessly.

Quad Xeon PIII-500/2M CPUs
2.5GB RAM
SA3100ES RAID Controller
3x Redundant Hot Plug Power Supplies
18x 18GB Hot Plug SCSI Hard Drives
DLT-7000 35/70GB Tape Drive (uses DLT-IV media)
CD-ROM Drive
Floppy Drive
Brand New Compaq Keyboard and Mouse

Comes with lots of spares including the following:
Memory Modules
Power Supply
Hard Drives
Fan
DLT Cleaning tape (sorry no data tapes, they were all securely destroyed)

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 13:51:07 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:51:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131851.m3DIp7N14491@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP Netserver LC3

HP Netserver LC3 - $200

This has been a fantastically reliable server for me.  Due to its limited internal storage, this was my dedicated email server for a couple of years.  Using RAID5, 18GB of storage was more than enough for SuSE OpenExchange and the data store for our small number of users.  If you wanted to use it as a file server, use the internal storage for the OS, and hang a couple of USB drives off the back for the bulk of your data.  Or really go to town and use some external SCSI enclosures hooked up to the connections on the back of the RAID controller.

Dual PII-450 CPUs
1GB HP RAM
NetRAID 3Si RAID Controller
3x 9GB Hot Plug SCSI Hard Drives
HP SureStore DAT24 Tape Drive
HP 10/100 NIC
CD-ROM Drive
Floppy Drive
Modem
USB2 Card

Extras:
6x Spare hard drives
Spare memory modules
Spare Power Supply
Spare RAID Controller
3x DAT Cleaning Tapes
40 Brand new HP DAT24 tapes (still in the shrink wrap)
Manuals
CDs

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 13:53:13 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:53:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131853.m3DIrDJ16087@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Whitebox Server

Vanilla Whitebox Server - $100

Dual PIII-850 CPUs w/aftermarket coolers
Tyan S1832DL Mobo
1GB Crucial RAM (4x256MB)
Adaptec 29160N SCSI Card
Nvidia Video Card
3COM 10/100NIC
Dual Power Supplies
DVD-ROM Drive
Floppy Drive
Room for at least 8 internal hard drives

Comes with no hard drives, so you'll need to supply your own.

This was my Unreal Tournament server for some time, but it turned out to be way overpowered for the job, and was just too big to lug around to LAN parties.

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 13:58:02 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:58:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131858.m3DIw2j17167@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Merilus/Netmaster Firecard Plus

Merilus Firecard Plus - $100

This is one of the coolest computer products I've ever owned.  It is a 0U firewall appliance that fits inside any computer with a spare PCI slot, which is used to power the card.  Other than drawing power from the host, it is a self-contained computer within a computer.  The 'Plus' version includes on-board modem for OOB management, a feature missing from the regular version.

No software is provided with this card (since I moved to Watchguards I let the maintenance lapse some time ago) so it is perfect for replacing your failed Firecard, or upgrade it to the latest Gateway Guardian OS software for as little as $124 at http://www.netmaster.com to get all of the following features:

Dynamic Packet Filtering
The firewall functions with several layers of access restrictions, and can be set for both inbound and outbound traffic. 

IPSec Compliant VPN Server
A Virtual Private Network Server that hosts multiple secure communication tunnels over an unsecured network such as the Internet. 

Traffic Management
Control the amount of bandwidth available to each user for each service they access (such as Web, FTP, Email, etc.) Configurable for both inbound and outbound traffic. 

Bandwidth Accounting
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Port Stealthing
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SNMP Monitoring
Easily view your defensive posture through any SNMP enabled Agent, such as NetMaster's CSM or HP's OpenView management tools. 

SNMP Trap Management
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Status Web Server
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Routing Capabilities
Can create an unlimited amount of static routes to enable communication between subnets and/or remote offices. 

Full Remote Configuration
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Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:02:10 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:02:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131902.m3DJ2A120109@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Cisco Switches/Routers

Cisco Switches/Routers - $95 for the lot

These were a part of my CCNA Lab, but are now surplus to requirements.

2x Cisco WS-C1924-A Switches
	24x 10M Ports
	2x 100M Ports
	Console Port
	AUI Interface
	Latest CatOS

1x Cisco 2503 Router
	1x 10M AUI Interface
	2x Serial Interface
	1x BRI ISDN Interface
	1x Console Port
	1x AUX Port

2x Cisco 1005 Routers
	1x 10M Port
	1x ~4M Serial Port
	1x Console Port
	
Comes with the following:
All necessary Power supplies
1x Rollover/console cable (Baby blue one)
2x DCE/DTE crossover cables to connect 2503 serial ports to 1005 serial ports
1x 10M AUI/TP Transceiver

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:04:11 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:04:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131904.m3DJ4BN21444@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Big Old Box of Cables

Big Old Box o' Cables - $45

The rats nest in this box contains at least one of each of the following cables:
USB
1/8" M/M Audio
Headset/Microphone
External SCSI - Centronics
External SCSI - 50pin MicroD
External SCSI - 25pin/Centronics
External SCSI - 50pin/Centronics
External SCSI - 68pin
Phone cord
Parallel
VGA
SCA HD Adapter
Null modem
Serial 9F/25M
Power cord
Ethernet
Laplink
Internal floppy
Internal IDE
Internal SCSI - 50pin
Internal CD Audio
Internal WOL
Power Extension
Coax Splitter
RCA a/v Cable
S-Video

The box was actually packed recently, so the cables haven't had a chance to become too entangled yet.

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:07:04 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:07:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131907.m3DJ74722513@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Intel CA810e Motherboard

Intel CA810e Motherboard - $25

Includes a CPU (I seem to think it is a PIII-600 or PIII-650) and 256MB RAM.  Pulled out of the Whitebox Server (listed separately) when I installed the Tyan board.  Was working at time of removal.

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:08:40 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:08:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131908.m3DJ8ex23579@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Asus A7M266 Motherboard

Asus A7M266 Motherboard - $30

Working at the time it was pulled.  No CPU or RAM.


Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:10:50 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:10:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131910.m3DJAoc24654@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Plextor ConvertX PX-M401U Digital Video Converter

Plextor ConvertX PX-M401U Digital Video Converter - $55

This box will take your analogue video inputs (RCA or s-video) and convert them to MPEG-1/2/4 for storage on your computer.  Conversion is done within the unit itself, so it works well with older processors.  Does require USB2, though.  Hooked up but never actually used.  I found the same functionality built into my Camcorder when I accidentally read the manual one day, so this became surplus.

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 14:12:17 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:12:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804131912.m3DJCHC25717@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: 3COM OfficeConnect 8TP Hub

3COM OfficeConnect 8/TP Hub - $10

It's a 3COM hub, with 8 ports, and they run at 10M.  There's really not much more to say about it.

Seller Email address: stuart dot powell at yorkshirepudding dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Apr 13 14:21:45 2008
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:21:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
In-Reply-To: <200804131912.m3DJCHC25717@crusader.real-time.com>
References: <200804131912.m3DJCHC25717@crusader.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0804131420110.25702@dragon>

Holy hell, man, did a truckfull of stuff crash into your house? Or did you 
just miss the free electrnics recycling thing?


-Yaron

--


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Apr 13 17:20:54 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:20:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804132220.m3DMKse31686@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: All Free Stuff

RAM
64mb, pc100, cl 2, ecc
32mb, pc 66?
Pc ?, ?mb (not ddr)

4x 10\100 NICs (various brands)
Creative PCI sound card (older but decent)
PCI sound card, 3+out2+game (older but decent)

Trident PCI video card 
Decent AGP GeForce4400 video card, questionable reliability

Cisco press books
IOS Dial Solutions (1998)
IOS Solutions for Network Protocols vol II (1998)
IOS Bridging and IBM Network Solutions

PC #1
p2-450
128mb
3.5gb hd
floppy drive
std mid size case (outer shell is mis matched to the actual case, does not
seal all the way but covers it mostly)
250w psu
10/100 nic
ps2 keyboard/mouse port
standard vga card


PC #2
amd k6-2 266
128mb ram
8gb hd
no floppy
2x 10/100 nics
std mid case case with newer psu
old db5 keyboard port
ps2 / serial mouse port
standard vga card


PC #3 (note has no HD)
amd k6-2 350
128mb ram
no hd
no floppy
10/100 nic
full tower case, 300w psu
db5 keyboard port
ps2 / serial mouse port
standard vga card

I will meet or drop off most places in the metro area. jus at krytosvirus.com

Seller Email address: jus at krytosvirus dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Apr 18 13:47:25 2008
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:47:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest ! - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting
 April 26th, 2008
Message-ID: <4808ECBD.8060705@Goecke-Dolan.com>


This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting
will be Saturday April 26th, 2008 (next Saturday) at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 8:00am to 4:00pm!

(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings
for directions and more info.)

We will have an "Install Fest and Ubuntu 8.04 Release Party!"

Everyone is invited to attend, and those who can are encouraged to come 
and share their knowledge!  If you can come and help please sign-up on 
the wiki (send me an email to get a wiki account)

http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings/20080426_-_Install_Fest%21%21%21%21

Get a poster at the webpage to print and post at your desk at work and 
Coffee shop!

Thanks, hope to see you there.

==>brian.



From dniesen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 09:01:54 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:01:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>

I've been considering a failover setup using to WAN connections and have
been investigating some options.  I found some very interesting appliances
made by Xroads Networks that essentially takes over as the authoritative DNS
server and updates the DNS records for your domain on the fly as a WAN
connection goes up or down.  The appliances aren't out of line expensive but
it seems like this could be done fairly easily with a Linux solution as
well.

Here's a better description of how the process works:
http://www.xroadsnetworks.com/ubm/technology/activedns.xrn

Didn't find much in my initial Google attempts but now "bindmon" seems like
it basically does this.  Is anybody using this or other technique for DNS
failover?

-- 
Donovan Niesen
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From josh at tcbug.org  Sun Apr 20 11:04:41 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:04:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>

On Sunday 20 April 2008 09:01:54 am Donovan wrote:
> I've been considering a failover setup using to WAN connections and have
> been investigating some options.  I found some very interesting appliances
> made by Xroads Networks that essentially takes over as the authoritative
> DNS server and updates the DNS records for your domain on the fly as a WAN
> connection goes up or down.  The appliances aren't out of line expensive
> but it seems like this could be done fairly easily with a Linux solution as
> well.
>
> Here's a better description of how the process works:
> http://www.xroadsnetworks.com/ubm/technology/activedns.xrn
>
> Didn't find much in my initial Google attempts but now "bindmon" seems like
> it basically does this.  Is anybody using this or other technique for DNS
> failover?

The authoritative way to do this is via multicast DNS, whether that's viable 
for you or not depends on the WAN links.

Changing your DNS records on the fly works until you run in to pesky caching 
DNS servers.  You can crank down your TTLs in an attempt to compensate, but 
then you have to be able to deal with the increased load from that.

If you are shooting for failover of a pair of residential broadband 
connections then you'll probably eventually reach the conclusion I did a long 
time ago.  It's just not worth the time, effort, and hackery that it takes to 
deal with the limitations residential home connections impose.  If you really 
need a service to be available it's probably better off in a datacenter.
 
-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Sun Apr 20 14:39:25 2008
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:39:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GIF/AVI/FLV formats
Message-ID: <480B9BED.7000506@poetworld.net>


I've generated an animated GIF of a machine part for viewing with a 
browser.  It works quite well, but I'd like to make it interactive 
(pause/resume), which I understand isn't possible with an animated GIF.  
I know very little of video and tried this with ffmpeg using "ffmpeg -f 
gif -i Animation.gif Animation.flv".  Although Animation.flv generates, 
it won't play with mplayer.  The file is identified as "Macromedia Flash 
Player" using the file command.

I found I can generate Animation.avi using "ffmpeg -f gif -i 
Animation.gif Animation.avi".  That avi file does play with mplayer.  
Using ffmpeg -f avi -i Animation.avi Animation.flv" also produces a 
Flash file which won't play.  What am I missing when generating?  Is 
there an alternative?  As I say, I know very little of video and would 
like to keep the loop animated GIF capability.



From tompoe at fngi.net  Sun Apr 20 14:47:55 2008
From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:47:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GIF/AVI/FLV formats
In-Reply-To: <480B9BED.7000506@poetworld.net>
References: <480B9BED.7000506@poetworld.net>
Message-ID: <480B9DEB.60104@fngi.net>

rhubarbpie at poetworld.net wrote:
> I've generated an animated GIF of a machine part for viewing with a 
> browser.  It works quite well, but I'd like to make it interactive 
> (pause/resume), which I understand isn't possible with an animated GIF.  
> I know very little of video and tried this with ffmpeg using "ffmpeg -f 
> gif -i Animation.gif Animation.flv".  Although Animation.flv generates, 
> it won't play with mplayer.  The file is identified as "Macromedia Flash 
> Player" using the file command.
>
> I found I can generate Animation.avi using "ffmpeg -f gif -i 
> Animation.gif Animation.avi".  That avi file does play with mplayer.  
> Using ffmpeg -f avi -i Animation.avi Animation.flv" also produces a 
> Flash file which won't play.  What am I missing when generating?  Is 
> there an alternative?  As I say, I know very little of video and would 
> like to keep the loop animated GIF capability.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   
Here's a couple commands to try to get your avi to clean up.

convert a.mp4 to something standard:  ffmpeg -i a.mp4 -vcodec rawvideo 
b.avi   
and/or
convert and scale to standard:   mencoder b.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts 
vcodec=mpeg4 -vf scale=320:240 -oac pcm -o c320x240.avi



From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Apr 21 06:19:07 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:19:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] linuxjournal down?
Message-ID: <480C782B.6090704@mtu.net>

I tried going to http://www.linuxjournal.com this morning and all I get 
is an empty page after a very long wait.  Anyone else notice this behavior?

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 06:31:50 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:31:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] linuxjournal down?
In-Reply-To: <480C782B.6090704@mtu.net>
References: <480C782B.6090704@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70804210431s32e23b65qe773cc0741e0ad3b@mail.gmail.com>

Seems to be down for me.   Also down for "downforeveryoneorjustme.com":
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/linuxjournal.com


On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:

> I tried going to http://www.linuxjournal.com this morning and all I get
> is an empty page after a very long wait.  Anyone else notice this
> behavior?
>
> --
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe <http://mtu.net/%7Ejpschewe>
> If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> signature.
> See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 10:06:12 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0804210806i19af288by3b01c2839c44725d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org> wrote:

> The authoritative way to do this is via multicast DNS, whether that's
> viable
> for you or not depends on the WAN links.


How does this compare to setting up two A records for a given hostname?  I
realize that isn't TRUE failover, but does it work well enough?

-Brian
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 10:13:39 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:13:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] linuxjournal down?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70804210431s32e23b65qe773cc0741e0ad3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <480C782B.6090704@mtu.net>
	<47f4d5e70804210431s32e23b65qe773cc0741e0ad3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0804210813i21001c36wfbd4d690bd6c5596@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Donovan <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems to be down for me.   Also down for "downforeveryoneorjustme.com":
> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/linuxjournal.com


I thought you were just being snide, but in fact that site does exist.  Very
handy, thanks for the URL!

-Brian
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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Mon Apr 21 10:54:09 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:54:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0804210806i19af288by3b01c2839c44725d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>	<200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
	<2c6699da0804210806i19af288by3b01c2839c44725d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480CB8A1.5000702@umn.edu>

No, since it means that half of the requests will lead to the IP address 
of the server that is down when that's the case. You don't want to do 
this with DNS, the only thing it's good for is load distribution.

Brian Wall wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org 
> <mailto:josh at tcbug.org>> wrote:
>
>     The authoritative way to do this is via multicast DNS, whether
>     that's viable
>     for you or not depends on the WAN links.
>
>
> How does this compare to setting up two A records for a given 
> hostname?  I realize that isn't TRUE failover, but does it work well 
> enough?
>
> -Brian
>   



From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 11:54:29 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:54:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020804210954w1298e270wa364fb70af2a42a9@mail.gmail.com>

>  Changing your DNS records on the fly works until you run in to pesky caching
>  DNS servers.  You can crank down your TTLs in an attempt to compensate, but
>  then you have to be able to deal with the increased load from that.

Web browsers also keep their own DNS cache. Firefox's cache defaults
to only a minute.

Internet Explorer on the other hand can be a real pain. IE does not
respect the DNS TTL, and I haven't figured out what exactly it's
default timeout is (if one even exists). The only thing I can say for
sure is that IE's DNS cache expires when IE is closed. I have a user
who goes for weeks without rebooting her laptop (some users should not
be able to use suspend/hibernate....) and based on that, IE's default
DNS cache is at least multiple hours if it expires at all.

You didn't mention what kind of application you're trying to support,
but if it's a web application and your clients are using IE, things
are not going to work as you expect without some tweaks to IE. Google
for IE dns cache to find the registry changes needed, or figure out
how to get your users to restart IE when a DNS change happens.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From josh at tcbug.org  Mon Apr 21 11:49:34 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:49:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <480CB8A1.5000702@umn.edu>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0804210806i19af288by3b01c2839c44725d@mail.gmail.com>
	<480CB8A1.5000702@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200804211149.40671.josh@tcbug.org>

On Monday 21 April 2008 10:54:09 am Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> No, since it means that half of the requests will lead to the IP address
> of the server that is down when that's the case. You don't want to do
> this with DNS, the only thing it's good for is load distribution.
>
> Brian Wall wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org
> > <mailto:josh at tcbug.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     The authoritative way to do this is via multicast DNS, whether
> >     that's viable
> >     for you or not depends on the WAN links.
> >
> >
> > How does this compare to setting up two A records for a given
> > hostname?  I realize that isn't TRUE failover, but does it work well
> > enough?
> >
> > -Brian
>

How it compares is that it actually works when WAN links go down.  For an 
explanation as to why google for multicast dns.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From dniesen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 12:23:34 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:23:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020804210954w1298e270wa364fb70af2a42a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201104.48679.josh@tcbug.org>
	<e3a54b020804210954w1298e270wa364fb70af2a42a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70804211023g749e0a79ve826988a8d7028da@mail.gmail.com>

It is a web server and the users are going to be largely IE-based... thanks
for painting the picture for me.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>
wrote:

> >  Changing your DNS records on the fly works until you run in to pesky
> caching
> >  DNS servers.  You can crank down your TTLs in an attempt to compensate,
> but
> >  then you have to be able to deal with the increased load from that.
>
> Web browsers also keep their own DNS cache. Firefox's cache defaults
> to only a minute.
>
> Internet Explorer on the other hand can be a real pain. IE does not
> respect the DNS TTL, and I haven't figured out what exactly it's
> default timeout is (if one even exists). The only thing I can say for
> sure is that IE's DNS cache expires when IE is closed. I have a user
> who goes for weeks without rebooting her laptop (some users should not
> be able to use suspend/hibernate....) and based on that, IE's default
> DNS cache is at least multiple hours if it expires at all.
>
> You didn't mention what kind of application you're trying to support,
> but if it's a web application and your clients are using IE, things
> are not going to work as you expect without some tweaks to IE. Google
> for IE dns cache to find the registry changes needed, or figure out
> how to get your users to restart IE when a DNS change happens.
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug.org at cyberians.net  Sun Apr 20 12:51:08 2008
From: tclug.org at cyberians.net (tclug.org at cyberians.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:51:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTv and Fedora Core 8
Message-ID: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>

I figured I would toss this out to the list to see if anyone else might
have some sage advice...

I'm trying to get MythTV running on Fedora Core 8.
I have tried MythDora, but that is built on FC6 and the scheduling service
has changed since then, so I am hoping for MythDora 5 to come out soon.

My hardware can handle the workload and I am using a Hauppauge 350, which
I am trying to get the TV-Out working on.  As it is, I just get a big
bright green screen.

I am still wrestling with it.

Anyone on here have experience working with MythTV that wouldn't mind
taking me under wing on this one until I get it running?
In the mean time, I am just pouring over a bunch of docs - some I
understand, some I don't.  I figure this would be a great little project
to learn Linux, I could appreciate a mentor on this one.



From stutterstutt at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 15:01:48 2008
From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:01:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTv and Fedora Core 8
In-Reply-To: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
References: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
Message-ID: <480E442C.1040607@comcast.net>

tclug.org at cyberians.net wrote:
> I'm trying to get MythTV running on Fedora Core 8.
>   

I have MythTV running on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) with the Hauppauge pvr-150. 
The step-by-step instructions starting at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV were a big help. Of course, 
since you're running Fedora Core the directions aren't going to be as 
relevant but they may give you enough clues to get going.

If you already have MythTV installed, skip past the installation section 
and go directly to the configuration section. Note in particular the 
selection of the card type for the Hauppauge PVR-xxx series. Two 
different drivers appear to find the device, but the instructions are 
specific about which one to use (MPEG-2 encoder card).

-Jeff


From j at packetgod.com  Tue Apr 22 15:05:02 2008
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:05:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTv and Fedora Core 8
In-Reply-To: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
References: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0804221305le89a339g3d0ca954b0669776@mail.gmail.com>

I must admit I had some issues with Mythdora during the transition to the
new version and switched to mythbuntu which I love.  I've moved all my
systems to mythbuntu and I'm all happy.  But I do know that my friend had
some issues with getting his 350 fully functional, I'll try to hit him up to
see if he found a resolution.

--j


On 4/20/08, tclug.org at cyberians.net <tclug.org at cyberians.net> wrote:
>
> I figured I would toss this out to the list to see if anyone else might
> have some sage advice...
>
> I'm trying to get MythTV running on Fedora Core 8.
> I have tried MythDora, but that is built on FC6 and the scheduling service
> has changed since then, so I am hoping for MythDora 5 to come out soon.
>
> My hardware can handle the workload and I am using a Hauppauge 350, which
> I am trying to get the TV-Out working on.  As it is, I just get a big
> bright green screen.
>
> I am still wrestling with it.
>
> Anyone on here have experience working with MythTV that wouldn't mind
> taking me under wing on this one until I get it running?
> In the mean time, I am just pouring over a bunch of docs - some I
> understand, some I don't.  I figure this would be a great little project
> to learn Linux, I could appreciate a mentor on this one.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 15:09:10 2008
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:09:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTv and Fedora Core 8
In-Reply-To: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
References: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0804221309x4301150kc6d6f64082f10db4@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm trying to get MythTV running on Fedora Core 8.
>

Apparently  PVR350 setup is automatic in the most recent version of
KnoppMyth:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=HauppaugeThreeFiftyInstallation

I have a 150 running with Knoppmyth - setup was a pretty easy
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 16:14:55 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:14:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTv and Fedora Core 8
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0804221309x4301150kc6d6f64082f10db4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2445.75.72.216.36.1208713868.squirrel@cyberians.com>
	<65293fcc0804221309x4301150kc6d6f64082f10db4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0804221414h7d270d2bjaecdc2c1190eeb59@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:09 PM, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Apparently  PVR350 setup is automatic in the most recent version of
> KnoppMyth:
>
>
> http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=HauppaugeThreeFiftyInstallation
>

I don't have any  experience with the 350, but I highly recommend
Knoppmyth.  No worries of stale software, as it's built on Debian testing
IIRC.

-Brian
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From chris.niesen at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 22:13:28 2008
From: chris.niesen at gmail.com (Chris Niesen)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:13:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NAS storage advice request
Message-ID: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.aberdeeninc.com

My company is looking to buy two new NAS's from HP (at 10K each).  They want
to get about 10TB (raw) of space, and I came across the company above and
was wondering if anyone out there in mlug, tclug, or madlug land had any
experience with this manufacturer.  They seem to have a very competitive
price point.

Thanks for any input you may have!

-- 
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From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Apr 23 00:13:24 2008
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Music generator?
In-Reply-To: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Has anyone generated music on Linux recently?  I would like to generate some 
notes / chords using programming, but I'm looking for an easy way to make the 
audio.  

Ideally, the output would be some standard notation (MusicXML, Lilypond, etc), 
and mp3 for the actual audio.  Generating text files (as input to another 
program) is easy.  Making the mp3 is the tough part.  MIDI could be part of 
the solution, but it seems tricky to get MIDI working properly.

What's funny is that It was easier back in the day, just boot the Apple ][ and 
you could write musical notation in a few lines of code.  

Any suggestions?

Jeremy




From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Wed Apr 23 06:30:44 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:30:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Music generator?
In-Reply-To: <200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <480F1DE4.7050101@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Jeremy wrote:
> Has anyone generated music on Linux recently?  I would like to generate some 
> notes / chords using programming, but I'm looking for an easy way to make the 
> audio.  
> 
> Ideally, the output would be some standard notation (MusicXML, Lilypond, etc), 
> and mp3 for the actual audio.  Generating text files (as input to another 
> program) is easy.  Making the mp3 is the tough part.  MIDI could be part of 
> the solution, but it seems tricky to get MIDI working properly.
> 
> What's funny is that It was easier back in the day, just boot the Apple ][ and 
> you could write musical notation in a few lines of code.  
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Jeremy

There are some at http://sourceforge.net/

Search for music generator.

Good Luck!

Bob


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Apr 23 15:15:46 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:15:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing bold fonts
Message-ID: <480F98F2.703@mtu.net>

Has anyone run into the problem that new messages in Thunderbird and 
Evolution are not in bold face?  They used to be and then the other day 
after some upgrades I noticed that they are no longer bold.  Can someone 
tell me where I might find these settings in GNOME?

Thanks.

-- Jon



From tclug at lizakowski.com  Wed Apr 23 17:27:00 2008
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Music generator?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.0.99.0804230902060.12598@veeta>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<alpine.DEB.0.99.0804230902060.12598@veeta>
Message-ID: <200804231727.00321.tclug@lizakowski.com>


That's exactly what I was looking for.  

Thanks!

On Wednesday 23 April 2008 9:43:20 am Gerry wrote:
> Jeremy,
> You can still write music in a few lines of code (if you consider scripting
> "code"),And converting midi to sound is as easy as
> timidity -Ow -o file.wav file.mid
>
> In 12 minutes of messing around (never having used abc before):
>
> 1. (this is a Fedora machine) yum install abcMIDI tclabc
> 2. produced this file in my text editor after consulting  these resources
> http://abc.sourceforge.net/resources.html
> http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCprimer.html
> http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation.htm
>
> X:1
> M:4/4
> K:G
> L:1/8
> [Ge] [Af] [Bg] [cA] [df] [eG] [df] [Bg] |
>
> 3. ran abc2midi test.abc
> 4. created a wav file with timidity -Ow test1.mid
>     created an ogg file (attached) with timidity -Ov test1.mid
> (install lame to make mp3 from wav)
  


From markdeb.browne at comcast.net  Wed Apr 23 22:27:32 2008
From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Music generator?
In-Reply-To: <200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804230013.24781.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8a5bb$22408420$1302a8c0@AMD64>

You may be interested in:

http://www.csounds.com/

Mark Browne
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org 
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:13 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] Music generator?
> 
> 
> Has anyone generated music on Linux recently?  I would like 
> to generate some notes / chords using programming, but I'm 
> looking for an easy way to make the audio.  
> 
> Ideally, the output would be some standard notation 
> (MusicXML, Lilypond, etc), and mp3 for the actual audio.  
> Generating text files (as input to another
> program) is easy.  Making the mp3 is the tough part.  MIDI 
> could be part of the solution, but it seems tricky to get 
> MIDI working properly.
> 
> What's funny is that It was easier back in the day, just boot 
> the Apple ][ and you could write musical notation in a few 
> lines of code.  
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jus at krytosvirus.com  Thu Apr 24 00:56:30 2008
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:56:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS failover technique
In-Reply-To: <200804211149.40671.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <47f4d5e70804200701u2f99e6eey495c8393ef063e48@mail.gmail.com><2c6699da0804210806i19af288by3b01c2839c44725d@mail.gmail.com><480CB8A1.5000702@umn.edu>
	<200804211149.40671.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <109301c8a5cf$f1a3b430$a000010a@usicorp.usinternet.com>

> How it compares is that it actually works when WAN links go down.  For an 
> explanation as to why google for multicast dns.


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=263558

Default IE version 4+ DNS cache timeout is set to 30 minutes as indicated in
the above KBA, though it does not mention IE7. So further testing or
research would be needed to determine IE7 default values.

Apparently someone even wrote a little app to modify this and related
settings.
http://technize.com/2007/07/11/how-to-change-internet-explorer-dns-cache-kee
palive-and-server-info-timeouts/

Obviously that is not a viable solution when you don't control the end users
systems.

For web applications using web based failover (with or without round robin
load balancing) you can something like those fancy appliances that come with
Foundry Server Irons, F5 Big IP, Citrix has one, and others but they do not
do anything remarkable as already indicated. All they do is modify DNS
packets on the fly, with a low TTL of like 5 seconds, usually based on
frequent health checks to said application. For maximum reliability you have
more than one of these appliances, at least one at two different geographic
hosted sites and you point the NS records for the (sub)domain in question to
these appliances. This type of service is commonly called Global Server Load
Balancing (GSLB). 

I have written a script to mimic this type of behavior. It runs an HTTP
health check and looks for a particularly defined response. If it fails to
receive the desired response it modifies the DNS record(s) to use the
"failover" address(es). On a later health check that does receive the
desired response it modifies the DNS record(s) to use the "primary"
address(es). 

If you do a google search for GSLB you will also find this page.
http://www.tenereillo.com/GSLBPageOfShame.htm


If DNS SRV records were even to become fully utilized and integrated into
all/most internet applications that would be really awesome and remove the
need for many of these failover/loadbalancer applications and appliances.
The likelihood of this happening is pretty negligible I think. I would bet
on IPv6 becoming mainstream long before DNS SRV records.




From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Apr 24 15:56:32 2008
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:56:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NAS storage advice request
In-Reply-To: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200804241556.AA56320078@sbn-services.com>

The initial costs savings of the purchase are highly negated by the 
longterm. First, in 5-10 years will this company still be around, and will 
they have any support for this? Where will you go to purchase parts in 3-5 
years, especially if they are no longer in business? I have seen countless 
times people having to re-purchase equipment simply because a replacement 
part could not be found. Last year a client had to replace a server because 
of a problem on the motherboard. They were using a white-box server. On the 
other hand, in this same week I replaced the power supply to my HP DL380 
that is about 7 years old. If they were using an IBM, Sun, or HP server then 
we could have simply purchased a new motherboard and kept the server up an 
running. The initial cost savings of say $500 was really outweighed by the 
$4000 price to replace the server.

I also would emphasize that the support from HP is going to be of much 
higher quality than what this company can provide. Again with HP, one Friday 
night at midnight I called their support regarding an issue with a server. 
Saturday morning I got a call in from a team of HP support techs who worked 
together to find the solution. I highly doubt you will get that from this 
company. In fact their support is M-F NBH. If a problem arises over the 
weekend, calculate the cost of having this down on Monday waiting for a 
solution as opposed to simply having it resolved and operational by Sunday.
Don't look at costs alone, especially for a business. Keep in mind that the 
costs will be written off at the end of the year anyways.  Over the years I 
can count numerous examples where people and businesses have been simply 
burned by going with the cost solution purchasing hardware such as 
white-box, low-end, consumer oriented, or 2nd tier MFRs. It's one thing to 
purchase from a place like this for a home computer, but quite the opposite 
when using this as a core business product.

Sean





-----Original Message-----

From: "Chris Niesen" <chris.niesen at gmail.com>

To: mlug-list at mail.milwaukeelug.org, tclug-list at mn-linux.org,  
madlug at madisonlinux.org

Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:13:28 -0500

Subject: [tclug-list] NAS storage advice request



http://www.aberdeeninc.com [http://www.aberdeeninc.com/]

My company is looking to buy two new NAS's from HP (at 10K each).  They want 
to get about 10TB (raw) of space, and I came across the company above and 
was wondering if anyone out there in mlug, tclug, or madlug land had any 
experience with this manufacturer.  They seem to have a very competitive 
price point.


Thanks for any input you may have!

-- 
Chris Niesen
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From josh at tcbug.org  Thu Apr 24 17:30:08 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:30:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NAS storage advice request
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200804241556.AA56320078@sbn-services.com>
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<WorldClient-F200804241556.AA56320078@sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <200804241730.14150.josh@tcbug.org>

On Thursday 24 April 2008 03:56:32 pm Sean Waite wrote:
> The initial costs savings of the purchase are highly negated by the
> longterm. First, in 5-10 years will this company still be around, and will
> they have any support for this? Where will you go to purchase parts in 3-5
> years, especially if they are no longer in business? I have seen countless
> times people having to re-purchase equipment simply because a replacement
> part could not be found. Last year a client had to replace a server because
> of a problem on the motherboard. They were using a white-box server. On the
> other hand, in this same week I replaced the power supply to my HP DL380
> that is about 7 years old. If they were using an IBM, Sun, or HP server
> then we could have simply purchased a new motherboard and kept the server
> up an running. The initial cost savings of say $500 was really outweighed
> by the $4000 price to replace the server.
>
> I also would emphasize that the support from HP is going to be of much
> higher quality than what this company can provide. Again with HP, one
> Friday night at midnight I called their support regarding an issue with a
> server. Saturday morning I got a call in from a team of HP support techs
> who worked together to find the solution. I highly doubt you will get that
> from this company. In fact their support is M-F NBH. If a problem arises
> over the weekend, calculate the cost of having this down on Monday waiting
> for a solution as opposed to simply having it resolved and operational by
> Sunday. Don't look at costs alone, especially for a business. Keep in mind
> that the costs will be written off at the end of the year anyways.  Over
> the years I can count numerous examples where people and businesses have
> been simply burned by going with the cost solution purchasing hardware such
> as white-box, low-end, consumer oriented, or 2nd tier MFRs. It's one thing
> to purchase from a place like this for a home computer, but quite the
> opposite when using this as a core business product.
>
> Sean
>

RE: HP "Support" (pulled from the archives)

Me: "Hi I'd like to order a replacement hard drive for  my proliant  
server. I have contract for 4 hour support 24x7. My serial number is  
___, the part number is _____"

HP Guy: "thank you please hold while I transfer you to the person  
that can help you"

Me: "Sure"

HP Girl: "Hello How are you today?"

Me: "I'm fine how are you?"

HP Girl: "Fine thank you. I see you are ordering a replacement part  
for your server. I'm sorry but your contract is only valid between  
2006 and 2007"

Me (after a pause to reflect): "...isn't it 2006 now?"

HP Girl: "Please hold."

Me (to self): "you have got to be f$@%^#g kidding me."

HP Girl (same girl as before): "Hello how are you today?"

Me: "I'm fine thank you. Can I have my drive please?"

HP Girl: "certainly. can you please tell me the part number?"

Me: "The part number is ___"

HP Girl: "I see you have 4 hour service, 24x7. Would you like the  
drive tomorrow or today?"

Me: "Ummm today... within 4 hours?"

HP Girl: "Oh ok!"

While I certainly agree that support is important to a business, my own 
experience with HP has been less than stellar.  I'd also recommend buying 
storage from a company that does storage over a company that seems to do a 
bit of everything.

I'm also anti-put-parts-in-7-year-old-x86-boxes too, but in my world companies 
don't let things like x86 servers get out of warrenty.  They depreciate them 
down over the life of the warranty then replace them when it expires.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From chewie at wookimus.net  Fri Apr 25 00:17:52 2008
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:17:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] NAS storage advice request
In-Reply-To: <200804241730.14150.josh@tcbug.org> 
References: <36770bfa0804222013h32957425k294043abf2062d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<WorldClient-F200804241556.AA56320078@sbn-services.com>
	<200804241730.14150.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <17499.1209100672@skuld.wookimus.net>

Aberdeen makes a good box and stands by their product.  I had purchased
one of their machines while working at the UofM College of Biological
Sciences to be our Amanda backup server.  Worked great!  They didn't
blink an eye when I said I would prefer not to pay for or load a
commercial Linux on the box and use Debian instead.  Something you'll
get from Aberdeen that you won't get from an HP or Dell is an
understanding with the Linux community.  Sure, the big boys are trying
to cater to our needs, but they still need the nursing bottle of
commercial Linux companies to ween them into the market.  I find this a
bit sad given the success of Linux today.  Aberdeen, at least the one I
dealt with a few years ago, was responsive and catered to my needs as a
customer.

Regarding the NAS product, I'm relatively unfamiliar with it.  I'm
betting it's simply a pared down Linux running on a flash card.  I would
be interested in trying it out as a cheap disk alternative to the big
boys (EMC, NetApp, etc.)

Oh, I did get a chance to test the Coraid box with Solaris 10.  The
command-line utilities seemed to be pretty straight forward and easy to
use.  I didn't manage to eek out enough time to thoroughly test the
system, and I had some misunderstanding on exactly how to turn things
up, but I believe I know what I had done wrong.  I would have liked to
give you folks real numbers on the performance of AoE, alas, I didn't
have the time for it.

I do think systems like the Aberdeen Linux NAS and the Coraid disk array
have earned a place in our bag-o-tricks.  Weigh your cost to risk ratio
and determine what is acceptable for you in your specific environment.
If you're looking for no or little risk, then your cost will certainly
go up.

If you folks have checked out the Xiotech Emprise series of disk
storage, do so.  Very highly reliable disk (5yr no cost HW replacement)
and high performance disk.  They claim lowest cost per MB/sec rather
than lowest cost per MB.  (I was quoted a little over $40k for about
13TB usable storage).

This is a relatively young company when compared to the HP's and IBM's,
once wholely owned by Seagate.  Seagate sold most of its interest in the
company, but also sold them the technology they're using in the Emprise
series.  It's pretty exciting stuff if you're seriously interested in
data center reliability.  Should the company be counted out because it's
a relative newcommer?  More to the point, should I be basing my
purchasing decisions on my impression of the company's future?  There's
no real clear cut answer.  You do the research, compare the risks,
compare the costs, and make a decision.

Personally, I like the fact that Aberdeen has been in the business for
17 years, and that Xiotech has been around since 1998.  It means they've
done something right in the past.  I cannot predict their future
success, but they seem to be doing well enough today and have provided
viable products.

Good luck.  My personal advice on Aberdeen?  Give them a chance.  They
give you a 30 day money-back guarantee for a custom built solution for
you.  That's pretty confident, if you ask me.  Plus, they give you a
five year warranty?  17 years in business?  Go for it.  Test them out
and let us know how they fared.

Chad


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Apr 25 09:29:13 2008
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:29:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder - Install Fest ! - Topic @PenguinsUnbound
 Linux Meeting April 26th, 2008
Message-ID: <4811EAB9.700@Goecke-Dolan.com>


This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting
will be Saturday April 26th, 2008 (next Saturday) at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 8:00am to 4:00pm!

(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings
for directions and more info.)

We will have an "Install Fest and Ubuntu 8.04 Release Party!"

Everyone is invited to attend, and those who can are encouraged to come 
and share their knowledge!  If you can come and help please sign-up on 
the wiki (send me an email to get a wiki account)

http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings/20080426_-_Install_Fest%21%21%21%21 


Get a poster at the webpage to print and post at your desk at work and 
Coffee shop!

Thanks, hope to see you there.

==>brian.



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Apr 28 10:26:44 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:26:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804281526.m3SFQiB20416@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: HP TC 4100 Server

I have 2 (two) HP tc 4100 servers available.  Both work great, but we no longer need them.

First machine:
PIII 1.4 GHz
1.25 ram
3 x 18 Gb, 10K rpm, hot swap drives
Hot swap power supply
HP Surestore DLT vs40/80 tape drive

Second machine:
Dual PIII 1.4 GHz
1.25 GB ram
3 x 36 Gb, 10K rpm, hot swap drives
Dual hot swap power supplies


If you are interested in either, please contact Jim Streit at 952-897-7791 or jstreit at welshco.com between the hours of 7 am and 3:30 pm

Equipment can be picked up in Bloomington.  First come.

Additional specs:
HP Server tc4100 - PIII-S 1.4 GHz 

Product Form Factor: Tower
Server Scalability: 2-way

Front Accessible Bays Qty: 3
Hot-Swap Bays Qty: 8

Width: 34.6 cm
Depth: 71.7 cm
Height: 47.4 cm

Weight: 26.3 kg

Processor
Type: Intel Pentium III-S 1.4 GHz
Max Supported Qty: 2

Mainboard
Data Bus Speed: 133 MHz

Ram
Installed Size: 512 MB / 4 GB (max)

Storage controller
Type: 1 x RAID - plug-in card - PCI
Controller Interface Type: Ultra160 SCSI
RAID Level: RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, RAID 50
Buffer Size: 32 MB

Storage controller (2nd)
Type: 1 x SCSI - integrated
Controller Interface Type: Ultra160 SCSI
Channel Qty: 2

Graphics controller
Type: Integrated
Graphics Processor / Vendor: ATI RAGE XL
Video Memory: SDRAM
Installed Size: 8 MB / 8 MB (max)
Supported Display Graphics: VGA (640x480), XGA (1024x768), SVGA (800x600), SXGA (1280x1024), SXGA+ (1400x1050), UXGA (1600x1200)

Input device
Type: Mouse, keyboard

Networking
Networking: Network adapter - PCI - integrated
Data Link Protocol: Ethernet, Fast Ethernet

Expansion / connectivity
Expansion Bays Total (Free): 

3 ( 2 ) x front accessible - 5.25" x 1/2H 
8 ( 5 ) x hot-swap - 5.25" x 1/3H 
1 ( 0 ) x front accessible - 3.5" x 1/3H 

Expansion Slots Total (Free): 

2 ( 2 ) x PCI 64 / 66 MHz - full-length 
4 ( 3 ) x PCI - full-length 
4 ( 3 ) x memory - DIMM 168-PIN 
2 ( 1 ) x processor - Socket 370 

Interfaces: 

2 x serial - RS-232 - 9 pin D-Sub (DB-9) 
1 x parallel - IEEE 1284 (EPP/ECP) - 25 pin D-Sub (DB-25) 
1 x display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) 
1 x keyboard - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style) 
1 x mouse - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style) 
2 x USB - 4 PIN USB Type A 
1 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 
1 x storage - Ultra160 SCSI - 68 PIN VHDCI (Mini-Centronics) 
 


Seller Email address: jimstreit at northlans dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Apr 28 10:33:21 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:33:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804281533.m3SFXLq21772@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Cisco 675 DSL modem

I have on of the original Qwest Cisco 675 DSL modems.  Worked fine when it was last used.  We no longer need it.

I also comes with some filters, other cables and power supply.

If you are interested, please contact Jim Streit at 952-897-7791 or jstreit at welshco.com between the hours of 7 am and 3:30 pm

Equipment can be picked up in Bloomington.  First come.

Seller Email address: jimstreit at northlans dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Apr 28 10:45:05 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200804281545.m3SFj5x22616@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: 3 SCSI Array controllers

I have 3 SCSI PCI array controllers that we no longer need.

Adaptec 2100S
HP NetRAID-1  (HP PN D4992-60002)
Mylet DAC960LB  (HP PN C3610-60050)

If you are interested in either, please contact Jim Streit at 952-897-7791 or jstreit at welshco.com between the hours of 7 am and 3:30 pm

Equipment can be picked up in Bloomington.  First come.

Seller Email address: jimstreit at northlans dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net  Tue Apr 29 11:22:37 2008
From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:22:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg -r and Flash
Message-ID: <48174B4D.70108@poetworld.net>


I've converted an animated GIF to Flash for freeze/resume interaction.  
Unfortunately, Animation.flv runs too fast and ffmpeg -r isn't helping.  
FFmpeg -r seems to be working counter-intuitively as the greater -r, the 
slower Animation.flv runs.  Also, it produces a much larger file and 
seems to hit a wall.  Examples I've tried are:

    ffmpeg -f gif -i Animation.gif -f swf -r 1 -y
    Animation.flv                - Plays much too fast.
    ffmpeg -f gif -i Animation.gif -f swf -r 5 -y
    Animation.flv                - Generates a slower, but larger, file.
    ffmpeg -f gif -i Animation.gif -f swf -r 10 -y
    Animation.flv              - Generates a slower and larger file than
    the "-r 5" option.
    ffmpeg -f gif -i Animation.gif -f swf -r 20 -y
    Animation.flv              - Generates a file of the same speed, but
    larger than the "-r 10" option.


It seems the lower the -r value, the slower Flash should run.  A smaller 
frame rate would logically produce a slower animation.  It's also 
illogical to me the file should be larger.  To test my theory, I 
produced Animation.avi from Animation.gif.  Testing "-r" options works 
as I expect.  The lower the -r value, the slower Animation.avi runs.

I first posted this question to the ffmpeg forum without success.  
Perhaps this is a Flash, not ffmpeg problem.  However, is there an 
ffmpeg option I'm missing?  Also, is there an option other than Flash to 
enable freeze/resume in my animation?  It is a simple animation of a 
moving part.




From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Tue Apr 29 21:38:17 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:38:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
Message-ID: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with 
using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?

I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to 
check with a human first.

Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.

Thanks,

Robert De Mars


From jeruvin at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 22:09:58 2008
From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:09:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0804292009k501dc9bck84dddb8ffe66edc5@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend that has done it with ubuntu 7.10 and said that 8.04 only
took him 5 minutes.

He used the gui, but also gave me a link for cli stuff
http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/howto-active-directory-authentication-in-ubuntu-804/

hope this helps ya. I'm sure some smarter people will chime in also.

jason

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
wrote:

> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with
> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>
> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to
> check with a human first.
>
> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert De Mars
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jack at jacku.com  Tue Apr 29 22:54:15 2008
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:54:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <200804292254.15922.jack@jacku.com>

On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Robert De Mars wrote:
> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with
> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>
> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to
> check with a human first.
>
> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert De Mars

SuSE 10.3 has an option at setup to authenticate with a Windows Domain. If I 
remember correctly it uses the Samba Client and winbind to do that. So start 
your searching there.

-- 
Jack Ungerleider
jack at jacku.com
http://www.jacku.com


From jeremy at rosengren.org  Tue Apr 29 23:10:15 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:10:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <6C3D16F6-F600-4760-863C-24748D64879C@rosengren.org>

On Apr 29, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Robert De Mars wrote:
> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with
> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>
> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I  
> wanted to
> check with a human first.
>
> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.

We're currently testing Likewise from http://likewisesoftware.com.   
They have an Enterprise product and an OSS product - the Enterprise  
product gives you the ability to control your Linux and OSX  
workstations via Group Policy in AD - the Open product allows you to  
do user authentication and access control, without group policy  
layer.  They've taken the Winbind bits from the Samba project to do  
the authentication, along with a PAM widget.

As an additional promising bit of information, Gerald Carter from the  
Samba core team (and author of a couple of LDAP books) is leading  
their OSS effort.

-- jeremy


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Apr 30 07:17:54 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:17:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <48186372.5080103@mtu.net>

Robert De Mars wrote:
> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with 
> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>
> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to 
> check with a human first.
>
> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.
>   
You can also just setup the machine for kerberos authentication and 
authenticate against the AD (windows authentication is just Kerberos).

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From tclug at mikerochford.com  Wed Apr 30 09:39:17 2008
From: tclug at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:39:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <48186372.5080103@mtu.net>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <48186372.5080103@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <48188495.7010406@mikerochford.com>

Robert,

I agree with Jon with using Kerberos to do authentication against the AD.

Currently using it as a central auth point for a large hosting platform. 
   Setup has a mix of windows/linux machines.

Here is a link of a decent howto.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto

You can apply this to pretty much any linux flavor.

-mike



Jon Schewe wrote:
> Robert De Mars wrote:
>> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with 
>> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>>
>> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to 
>> check with a human first.
>>
>> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.
>>   
> You can also just setup the machine for kerberos authentication and 
> authenticate against the AD (windows authentication is just Kerberos).
> 


From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed Apr 30 11:37:32 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (marc at e-skinner.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:37:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <20080430113732.ui2ak6afpc0wkco8@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>

Quoting Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>:

> Hello, and a good day to you all.  Does anyone have experience with
> using 2003 Active Directory to authorize linux boxes/users?
>
> I did some searching on google and found some good info, but I wanted to
> check with a human first.
>
> Any tips or thoughts on this would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert De Mars
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


If your distro is RH based - try the redhat-system-authentication gtk  
gui tool. Also - if you want to do something a little more fancy -  
stick a LDAP server in front - have all your *NIX servers talk  
LDAP-SSL to the LDAP (such as the Fedora Directory Server or if you  
want support Red Hat Directory Server) and then have the directory  
server talk to the AD servers.  It actually is pretty slick - that way  
you also can have a "copy" of all your credentials on the LDAP server  
- so if the AD server goes down, you can still get into the *UNIX boxes.

Lots of options of course with Linux, and companies out there are  
doing this several different ways.




From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 13:59:09 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:59:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <20080430113732.ui2ak6afpc0wkco8@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<20080430113732.ui2ak6afpc0wkco8@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020804301159q7260bedbhd5c4575f5527eeea@mail.gmail.com>

I always follow the directions from the Samba documentation. When you
use samba to join the domain samba will create the SPN (Service
Principle Names) for Windows file sharing. This is needed if you want
your windows clients to connect to your samba server with the single
sign on capability provided by AD/Kerberos. Samba's net command is
also able to create the krb.keytab file for you, which can be handy.

I haven't worked with it much beyond using the winbind pam module.
Using the krb5 pam modules should also be possible, and may work
better in the long run if you're planning on using the Linux computer
as a client instead of a server.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Wed Apr 30 15:50:48 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:50:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Authenticating Linux boxes in AD
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020804301159q7260bedbhd5c4575f5527eeea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4817DB99.6000704@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<20080430113732.ui2ak6afpc0wkco8@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
	<e3a54b020804301159q7260bedbhd5c4575f5527eeea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <courier.4818DBA8.00006F92@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Thank You all for the advice. I really appreciate it.  I am running a couple 
Slackware boxes (headless) in a primarily M$ environment at my job.  Up to 
now I have had no issues with authentication (although it's alot of work 
manually maintaning the users in samba), but the time has come for my slack 
boxes to join the family, so to speak.  We are running exchange 2003 (hey 
you in the back, stop laughing...), and I have decided to pull it from the 
front lines, and put a slack box to send & receive our companies mail then 
forward it to the exchange server.  There are a few other things on my list 
as well. 

Thanks, 

Robert De Mars 

Andrew Zbikowski writes: 

> I always follow the directions from the Samba documentation. When you
> use samba to join the domain samba will create the SPN (Service
> Principle Names) for Windows file sharing. This is needed if you want
> your windows clients to connect to your samba server with the single
> sign on capability provided by AD/Kerberos. Samba's net command is
> also able to create the krb.keytab file for you, which can be handy. 
> 
> I haven't worked with it much beyond using the winbind pam module.
> Using the krb5 pam modules should also be possible, and may work
> better in the long run if you're planning on using the Linux computer
> as a client instead of a server. 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list