From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 09:18:57 2008 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:18:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flat Panel Displays In-Reply-To: References: <967B64EE-EA94-4CEB-A380-DA8B47D57175@secure-computing.net> Message-ID: Does your flat panel display the POST? If not, you have to solve the problem of your monitor getting no display signal at all. If you do see the BIOS post and the display disappears once Ubuntu starts booting, odds are your are in a VGA framebuffer mode that the monitor doesn't support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer for dealing with framebuffer issues. If you see Linux booting and your display disappears when X11 (GUI login) starts, you will have to reconfigure your X server into a display mode the monitor supports. Try switching to a text console (Ctrl+Alt+F1). If this doesn't work, reboot into single user mode (recovery mode on your GRUB screen.) If you have previously installed ssh-server on your Ubuntu computer you can ssh in from another computer as well. From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jun 2 18:31:20 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:31:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Optional Apache authentication Message-ID: <484482C8.1040808@mtu.net> Has anyone setup apache to prompt for a username and password only for certain operations? What I'm trying to do is setup my subversion repositories such that they are world readable, but require a password to modify them. It would be best if any repository that has "* = r" in the authz file would allow passwordless access, however everything else would require a password. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jun 2 20:59:28 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:59:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Optional Apache authentication In-Reply-To: <484482C8.1040808@mtu.net> References: <484482C8.1040808@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4844A580.5010003@mtu.net> Ok, so I spent a few hours going through the libraries tonight and found what I was looking for. AuthzSVNNoAuthWhenAnonymousAllowed On Jon Schewe wrote: > Has anyone setup apache to prompt for a username and password only for > certain operations? What I'm trying to do is setup my subversion > repositories such that they are world readable, but require a password > to modify them. It would be best if any repository that has "* = r" in > the authz file would allow passwordless access, however everything else > would require a password. > > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From obelin23 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 16:46:51 2008 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:46:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? Message-ID: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound and not too pricey. I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer interface rather than needing Windows. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks, Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/1fdcc3c2/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 3 16:56:37 2008 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: iRiver, if they're still around. On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player.? I don't want to bother with IPod > or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality > sound and not too pricey. > > I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer > interface rather than needing Windows. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Charlie > > > -Yaron -- From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 17:01:27 2008 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:01:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> I believe most MP3 players these days are just mass storage devices or have the option to operate as that (even the iPods). As long as it operates in that fashion, it's simple to get it working under Linux. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Yaron wrote: > iRiver, if they're still around. > > > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: > > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality >> sound and not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/79767570/attachment.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jun 3 17:02:14 2008 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:02:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <032801c8c5c5$7b94fd10$eb17a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> I've been a fan of my Iriver. Cheap, plays ogg as well, has an FM radio, works great in linux. I am not sure about their latest models but the IFP-800 line is what I have. Presumably all or most of the IFP series would operate similarly well in linux. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Charlie O Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:47 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound and not too pricey. I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer interface rather than needing Windows. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks, Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/a869b14e/attachment.htm From dutchman_mn at charter.net Tue Jun 3 17:04:35 2008 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:04:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4845BFF3.4050001@charter.net> They still were as of last year. However, they changed the process. The older one I gave to my son worked under Linux, it looked like another USB drive. However, the one I replaced it with requires some specialized Windows GUI (iriver Music Manager) that wants to go the the Windows Media Player. Perry Hoekstra Yaron wrote: > iRiver, if they're still around. > > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality >> sound and not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jereme at workface.com Tue Jun 3 17:06:32 2008 From: jereme at workface.com (Jereme Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:06:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3185c2db0806031506t54a782bdk9f0ca0cb241825eb@mail.gmail.com> For OGG support I went with, http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/ On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Donovan wrote: > I believe most MP3 players these days are just mass storage devices or have > the option to operate as that (even the iPods). As long as it operates in > that fashion, it's simple to get it working under Linux. > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Yaron wrote: > >> iRiver, if they're still around. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: >> >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >>> or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality >>> sound and not too pricey. >>> >>> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >>> interface rather than needing Windows. >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Thanks, Jereme Allen http://jereme.businesscard2.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/fa4a05b0/attachment.htm From srcfoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 17:09:42 2008 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:09:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30806031509j50bad4eal67bcc6af5dc1495a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Charlie O wrote: > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod or > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I personally use an 4th Gen Ipod but I've loaded Rockbox [1] on it which has made it usable without DRM or iTunes. It works well with Amarok on Linux and supports a lot of other players as well. I have friends who like the Cowon X5. Eric [1] http://www.rockbox.org From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 3 17:09:17 2008 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:09:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi there, On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Donovan wrote: > I believe most MP3 players these days are just mass storage devices or > have the option to operate as that (even the iPods).? A) Newer iPods (at least the touch) no longer have the option of being setup as a storage device AT ALL. B) Even when they did, the iPod couldn't actually access any of the files in the area you designated as storage space. It is true that MOST MP3 players do just work as storage devices. Hell, you can put a free firmware on an iPod and it'll work like that, too. Course it won't have iPod features anymore, but hey. -Yaron -- From kjh at flyballdogs.com Tue Jun 3 17:06:38 2008 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:06:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Charlie O wrote: > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod > or > DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound > and > not too pricey. > > I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer > interface > rather than needing Windows. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I picked up a Cowon iAudio X5 last summer for about $130 (iAudio sells refurb units on ebay) and put in a bigger hard drive. I replaced the iAudio firmware with Rockbox (http://rockbox.org) and couldn't be happier. 25Gb of Ogg audio files and I'm a happy camper. It integrates really nicely with Amarok. I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. PS. Rockbox runs on iPods: Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch) -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jun 3 17:48:18 2008 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <4845BFF3.4050001@charter.net> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <4845BFF3.4050001@charter.net> Message-ID: <035c01c8c5cb$eb53cdb0$eb17a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> Getting away from that music manager crap is just a firmware upgrade away. http://www.iriver.com/support/down_list.asp?searchProductIdx=34&searchCatego ryIdx=1&searchString=&page=1&idx=&tmpSearchProductIdx=34&tmpSearchCategoryId x=1&tmpSearchString= -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:05 PM To: Yaron Cc: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? They still were as of last year. However, they changed the process. The older one I gave to my son worked under Linux, it looked like another USB drive. However, the one I replaced it with requires some specialized Windows GUI (iriver Music Manager) that wants to go the the Windows Media Player. Perry Hoekstra Yaron wrote: > iRiver, if they're still around. > > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality >> sound and not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Jun 3 17:53:41 2008 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:53:41 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? Message-ID: <060320082253.9877.4845CB75000204730000269522007343640B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Sandisk Sansa The Fuze is brand new. I recently bought an e280 new for $90. 8GB flash based with a micro-SD slot so that you can add more storage. I've read some bad things about the 'refurbished' MP3 players, so I wouldn't even consider that. -- ========== Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Charlie O" > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod or > DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound and > not too pricey. > > I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer interface > rather than needing Windows. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Charlie O" Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:52:16 +0000 Size: 1867 Url: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/9e22b70f/attachment.eml From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 18:59:08 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:59:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <3185c2db0806031506t54a782bdk9f0ca0cb241825eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> <3185c2db0806031506t54a782bdk9f0ca0cb241825eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806031859.08418.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> Me2, and I love this thing. Lost it in a snowbank for 18 hours last year, still rockin'. Plays flac too. On Tuesday 03 June 2008 17:06:32 Jereme Allen wrote: > For OGG support I went with, > http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/ > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Donovan wrote: > > I believe most MP3 players these days are just mass storage devices or > > have the option to operate as that (even the iPods). As long as it > > operates in that fashion, it's simple to get it working under Linux. > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Yaron wrote: > >> iRiver, if they're still around. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Charlie O wrote: > >> > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with > >> IPod > >> > >>> or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality > >>> sound and not too pricey. > >>> > >>> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer > >>> interface rather than needing Windows. > >>> > >>> Does anyone have any suggestions? > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Charlie > >> > >> -Yaron > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Donovan Niesen > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 19:01:06 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:01:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <200806031901.06841.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 17:06:38 Kathryn Hogg wrote: > I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the > X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. No, and they're not making the X5 anymore either, used and refurb are the only ways to get one now. Shame. From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Jun 3 19:12:01 2008 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:12:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <200806031859.08418.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70806031501v45687694hf616051a8d1583d9@mail.gmail.com> <3185c2db0806031506t54a782bdk9f0ca0cb241825eb@mail.gmail.com> <200806031859.08418.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, p.daniels wrote: > Me2, and I love this thing. Lost it in a snowbank for 18 hours last year, > still rockin'. Plays flac too. A little OT ... flac files are unnecessarily large for almost any purpose and certainly unnecessarily large for these little bitty devices. It's good that it plays them anyway, of course. Mike From thoth.serath at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 20:25:35 2008 From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris Gloege) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:25:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] re mp3 player Message-ID: <7c055dc50806031825g3f204bd5ta5bea445f6f916d6@mail.gmail.com> do not get a zune. i can't even get mine to work as i have a bootleg windows os that i can't update (i just needed a temporary windows fix.) speaking of... anyone know how to get a zune to work with linux? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080603/73693d2a/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 22:12:44 2008 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:12:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] re mp3 player In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50806031825g3f204bd5ta5bea445f6f916d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50806031825g3f204bd5ta5bea445f6f916d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <254fef0f0806032012i1c1d83cfi245c780c0f31a742@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Chris Gloege wrote: > do not get a zune. i can't even get mine to work as i have a bootleg > windows os that i can't update (i just needed a temporary windows fix.) > speaking of... anyone know how to get a zune to work with linux? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I'm afraid I can't help you with the Zune, but for anyone looking for a recommendation I just bought the Cowon iAudio 7, and am loving it. -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From jack at jacku.com Tue Jun 3 22:50:03 2008 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:50:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806032250.04022.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Charlie O wrote: > I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod > or DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound > and not too pricey. > > I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer interface > rather than needing Windows. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Charlie I got an Insignia Pilot from Best Buy. It will play ogg files but doesn't organize them very well. So I rip to MP3 using KAudioCreator and manage the music to the Insignia using Amorok. I've also taken to using Kyamo to edit the tags for album art. Works like a champ. I think the 8Gb ones are on sale this week. (Shameless Plug: The process of getting stuff to the Insignia will be the subject of the June PenguinsUnbound meeting at the end of the month.) -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 21:03:25 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:03:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <200806031859.08418.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806032103.25925.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 19:12:01 Mike Miller wrote: > A little OT ... flac files are unnecessarily large for almost any purpose > and certainly unnecessarily large for these little bitty devices. It's > good that it plays them anyway, of course. Absurd, I know :) Seriously, though, even on my $12 kmart headphones, you can tell the difference listening to Rachmaninov. Rock music not so much. -p. From kjh at flyballdogs.com Wed Jun 4 00:30:35 2008 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:30:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] re mp3 player In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50806031825g3f204bd5ta5bea445f6f916d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50806031825g3f204bd5ta5bea445f6f916d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58897.192.168.0.7.1212557435.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Chris Gloege wrote: > do not get a zune. I think that goes without saying on a LUG list. ;-) -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From nickmalb at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 07:54:25 2008 From: nickmalb at gmail.com (Nick Malbraaten) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:54:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48469081.8010901@gmail.com> New to the list, so let me know if I'm posting this incorrectly. Does anyone know of a large capacity hard drive "linux-friendly mp3 player"? I'm a guitar teacher, and really like the fact that I've had my entire music collection at my disposal at my lessons with my 60 gb Ipod. However, I'm getting dangerously close to filling it up, and am looking at an upgrade. I'd like to get something that plays nice with linux, and just out of principle I'd like to stay away from Apple. However, the only things I've managed to find with more hard drive capacity are *sigh* the Ipod Classic and *double sigh* the Zune. I guess I'd be looking for at least 80 gb. Any recommendations? tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Kathryn Hogg) > 2. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Justin Krejci) > 3. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (auditodd at comcast.net) > 4. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 5. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 6. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Mike Miller) > 7. re mp3 player (Chris Gloege) > 8. Re: re mp3 player (Tony Yarusso) > 9. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Jack Ungerleider) > 10. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:06:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Kathryn Hogg" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel at flyballdogs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Charlie O wrote: > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or >> DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound >> and >> not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface >> rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> > > I picked up a Cowon iAudio X5 last summer for about $130 (iAudio sells > refurb units on ebay) and put in a bigger hard drive. I replaced the > iAudio firmware with Rockbox (http://rockbox.org) and couldn't be happier. > 25Gb of Ogg audio files and I'm a happy camper. It integrates really > nicely with Amarok. > > I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the > X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. > > PS. Rockbox runs on iPods: Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod > Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, > Classic or Touch) > > From nickmalb at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 07:53:10 2008 From: nickmalb at gmail.com (Nick Malbraaten) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:53:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48469036.4010506@gmail.com> New to the list, so let me know if I'm posting this incorrectly. Does anyone know of a large capacity hard drive "linux-friendly mp3 player"? I'm a guitar teacher, and really like the fact that I've had my entire music collection at my disposal at my lessons with my 60 gb Ipod. However, I'm getting dangerously close to filling it up, and am looking at an upgrade. I'd like to get something that plays nice with linux, and just out of principle I'd like to stay away from Apple. However, the only things I've managed to find with more hard drive capacity are *sigh* the Ipod Classic and *double sigh* the Zune. I guess I'd be looking for at least 80 gb. Any recommendations? tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Kathryn Hogg) > 2. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Justin Krejci) > 3. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (auditodd at comcast.net) > 4. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 5. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 6. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Mike Miller) > 7. re mp3 player (Chris Gloege) > 8. Re: re mp3 player (Tony Yarusso) > 9. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Jack Ungerleider) > 10. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:06:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Kathryn Hogg" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel at flyballdogs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Charlie O wrote: > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or >> DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound >> and >> not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface >> rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> > > I picked up a Cowon iAudio X5 last summer for about $130 (iAudio sells > refurb units on ebay) and put in a bigger hard drive. I replaced the > iAudio firmware with Rockbox (http://rockbox.org) and couldn't be happier. > 25Gb of Ogg audio files and I'm a happy camper. It integrates really > nicely with Amarok. > > I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the > X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. > > PS. Rockbox runs on iPods: Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod > Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, > Classic or Touch) > > From twwoodward at octotec.com Wed Jun 4 08:12:58 2008 From: twwoodward at octotec.com (TW Woodward) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:12:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <48469081.8010901@gmail.com> References: <48469081.8010901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8c644$b62fa270$228ee750$@com> Take a look at the iriver brand players. Here is a Linux compatibility site for iriver products: http://tuxmobil.org/player_linux_survey_iriver.html TW -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Nick Malbraaten Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:54 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? New to the list, so let me know if I'm posting this incorrectly. Does anyone know of a large capacity hard drive "linux-friendly mp3 player"? I'm a guitar teacher, and really like the fact that I've had my entire music collection at my disposal at my lessons with my 60 gb Ipod. However, I'm getting dangerously close to filling it up, and am looking at an upgrade. I'd like to get something that plays nice with linux, and just out of principle I'd like to stay away from Apple. However, the only things I've managed to find with more hard drive capacity are *sigh* the Ipod Classic and *double sigh* the Zune. I guess I'd be looking for at least 80 gb. Any recommendations? tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Kathryn Hogg) > 2. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Justin Krejci) > 3. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (auditodd at comcast.net) > 4. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 5. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > 6. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Mike Miller) > 7. re mp3 player (Chris Gloege) > 8. Re: re mp3 player (Tony Yarusso) > 9. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (Jack Ungerleider) > 10. Re: Linux-friendly mp3 players? (p.daniels) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:06:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Kathryn Hogg" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel at flyballdogs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Charlie O wrote: > >> I'm looking to get my first mp3 player. I don't want to bother with IPod >> or >> DRM files, just something that will play mp3s that is good quality sound >> and >> not too pricey. >> >> I would prefer finding one that allows me to use a Linux computer >> interface >> rather than needing Windows. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? >> > > I picked up a Cowon iAudio X5 last summer for about $130 (iAudio sells > refurb units on ebay) and put in a bigger hard drive. I replaced the > iAudio firmware with Rockbox (http://rockbox.org) and couldn't be happier. > 25Gb of Ogg audio files and I'm a happy camper. It integrates really > nicely with Amarok. > > I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the > X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. > > PS. Rockbox runs on iPods: Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod > Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, > Classic or Touch) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jun 7 02:42:15 2008 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 02:42:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-friendly mp3 players? In-Reply-To: <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> References: <72278d10806031446j4f9e6038oa6bf4a621622e3b3@mail.gmail.com> <35185.209.246.0.14.1212530798.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <1218b5bc0806070042n749ee05apcdee31df736af86d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > I'm not sure if Cowon has come out with a hard drive player to replace the > X5 and the flash based units have too small of a capacity. Speaking of Cowon, I have two iAudio U3's that I'm very happy with. Nice and compact, plays ogg and FLAC and even MPEG4 video. Very good voice recorder, FM radio, works great with Linux as a standard mass storage device. Personally I don't trust carrying a HD around, 2/4gb is more music than I could ever listen to in a day, and I've never been able to drop the battery charge more than a notch in a day. Charges from USB. Anyway, if you're looking for a nice compact, cheap (Refurb 4gb is currently $104.99 on jetmall.net) but feature packed flash based player, I highly recommend the U3. But they seem to be becoming hard to find, I presume they've been discontinued in favor of the U5, which seems to have been stripped of everything that makes the U3 awesome. No ogg? No way! As an alternative, the F2 seems to be the same hardware as a U3 in a weird cellphone style case, 4gb is $67.99(!) on Amazon. The iAudio 7 appears to be quite similar to a U3 as well, and is also $104.99 for 4gb on jetmall.net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080607/1d36ed83/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jun 11 08:02:10 2008 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:02:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200806111302.m5BD2A524319@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Cisco 2912XL 12-port managed switch Cisco 2912XL 12-port managed switch Used, works good. $50 CASH, You pick up in SW Mpls. Email to arrange pickup time. Includes: * 12-port switch * power cord * flat (rollover) console cable + DB9 serial adapter * manuals: Quick Start Guide Installation Guide Cisco IOS Desktop Switching Software Configuration Guide 12.0(5)XU Cisco IOS Desktop Switching Software Configuration Guide 12.0(5)XP Seller Email address: blackcrow77 at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jun 13 17:29:36 2008 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Using Linux with the Insigna Media Player - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting June 28th, 2008 Message-ID: <4852F4D0.7000609@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting will be Saturday June 28th, 2008 at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings for directions and more info.) We will be talking about Using Linux with the Insignia Media Player Jack Ungerleider will talk about his media player, a Insignia Pilot, and how he got it working with linux, and what tools he likes and uses on Linux to work with his media player. Thanks, hope to see you there. ==>brian. From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 23:04:24 2008 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:04:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? Message-ID: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of random tracks? -Brian From kyle.quamme at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 23:22:52 2008 From: kyle.quamme at gmail.com (Kyle Quamme) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:22:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12f48e800806152122q63b8ecfbi2ef83437306db60f@mail.gmail.com> How about interfacing some sort of handheld/mobile unit with it over SSH or something? You could use a Bluetooth or Wi-Fi connection.(IE: PalmTX running pssh) That would also add the ability to sync the machine in the car with a music library in the house. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. > Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to > use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware > of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of > an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used > headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of > random tracks? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080615/f3600488/attachment.htm From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Jun 16 07:33:45 2008 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:33:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48565DA9.4010202@freeshell.org> Brian Wall wrote: > I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. > Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to > use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware > of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of > an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used > headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of > random tracks? Like mpg123, mpg321, or ogg123? -Steve From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 08:43:09 2008 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:43:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <12f48e800806152122q63b8ecfbi2ef83437306db60f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> <12f48e800806152122q63b8ecfbi2ef83437306db60f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0806160643h5115fe79gba3160c1e81c1de9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Kyle Quamme wrote: > How about interfacing some sort of handheld/mobile unit with it over SSH or > something? You could use a Bluetooth or Wi-Fi connection.(IE: PalmTX running > pssh) That would also add the ability to sync the machine in the car with a > music library in the house. A very cool implementation indeed. I hadn't considered running the laptop as a "media server" of sorts, but that would be a neat use of this laptop. By the way, I've gotten some interesting posts off list about why I'm doing this the way I am. I'm simply trying to find a cool use for discarded technology. This is a tinker project, and I do realize it wouldn't be as robust as even the cheapest MP3 player out there. I'm doing it for the gadget/hacking factor only. -Brian From verigoth at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 09:48:59 2008 From: verigoth at gmail.com (Rob Bayerl) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:48:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <48565DA9.4010202@freeshell.org> References: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> <48565DA9.4010202@freeshell.org> Message-ID: What's wrong with mpd? http://www.musicpd.org/ On 6/16/08, Steve Cayford wrote: > Brian Wall wrote: >> I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. >> Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to >> use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware >> of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of >> an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used >> headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of >> random tracks? > > Like mpg123, mpg321, or ogg123? > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 08:39:47 2008 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:39:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <48565DA9.4010202@freeshell.org> References: <2c6699da0806152104n12b30447je9fe5afd081b73bd@mail.gmail.com> <48565DA9.4010202@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <2c6699da0806160639w7ec21b95ua082a15b85389887@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Steve Cayford wrote: > Like mpg123, mpg321, or ogg123? Sure, but last I checked these utilities weren't overly robust in crawling my music collection (which I keep in folders) nor do they randomize tracks very well. Now I have to admit, I haven't used these utilities in years, since GUI based music players became usable. Do these utilities have enough robustness to do what I'm trying to do, or would it require additional scripting? -Brian From florin at iucha.net Mon Jun 16 09:23:47 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] linux-friendly webcams? Message-ID: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> Howdy, My relatives are shaming me into using a web-cam for our chats; they even say this Internet thingy will catch on, or something. Anyway, I'm looking for a Linux-friendly web-cam. I've heard good things about Logitech, but they have 1001 models. What's needed, what's useful and what can be ignored about webcams? Are there some models that can be unwrapped, connected to the first USB port and just getting them to work with any recent Ubuntu/Fedora distro? Are there any programs on Linux that interoperate with some web-cam enabled chat programs on Windows? (I know about IRC, but my UTF-8 rendition is definitely not that flattering). Thanks, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080616/55d7bcef/attachment.pgp From verigoth at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 13:12:32 2008 From: verigoth at gmail.com (Rob Bayerl) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:12:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] linux-friendly webcams? In-Reply-To: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> References: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: I haven't tried it at all, but it seems to me kopete (KDE's msn/aim/yahoo/etc client) supports video chat. Also my Nokia N800 has a built in camera and it uses skype/ekiga (I think) for video VoIP. As far as cameras go, I'm the wrong person to ask (some of us are too ugly to be photographed). On 6/16/08, Florin Iucha wrote: > Howdy, > > My relatives are shaming me into using a web-cam for our chats; they even > say this Internet thingy will catch on, or something. Anyway, I'm > looking for a Linux-friendly web-cam. I've heard good things about > Logitech, but they have 1001 models. What's needed, what's useful and > what can be ignored about webcams? Are there some models that can be > unwrapped, connected to the first USB port and just getting them to > work with any recent Ubuntu/Fedora distro? > > Are there any programs on Linux that interoperate with some web-cam > enabled chat programs on Windows? (I know about IRC, but my UTF-8 > rendition is definitely not that flattering). > > Thanks, > florin > > -- > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > From sloncho at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 16:21:07 2008 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:21:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] linux-friendly webcams? In-Reply-To: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> References: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > Howdy, > > My relatives are shaming me into using a web-cam for our chats; they even > say this Internet thingy will catch on, or something. Anyway, I'm > looking for a Linux-friendly web-cam. I've heard good things about > Logitech, but they have 1001 models. What's needed, what's useful and > what can be ignored about webcams? Are there some models that can be > unwrapped, connected to the first USB port and just getting them to > work with any recent Ubuntu/Fedora distro? > > Are there any programs on Linux that interoperate with some web-cam > enabled chat programs on Windows? (I know about IRC, but my UTF-8 > rendition is definitely not that flattering). > This is very good list of webcams, which work with skype under linux. I already tried 2 of them, and they work well in ubuntu hardy and opensuse 10.3. The real problem is, that there are Logitech cams with the same model name/number, but with different chipsets (different USB ID), and I already got burned with one, because I did not check in the "not supported" list in the bottom. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. From sloncho at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 16:21:41 2008 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:21:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] linux-friendly webcams? In-Reply-To: References: <20080616142347.GJ3117@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Sunny wrote: > > This is very good list of webcams, which work with skype under linux. Hehe, and this is the list :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. From beck0778 at umn.edu Fri Jun 20 12:26:56 2008 From: beck0778 at umn.edu (beck0778 at umn.edu) Date: 20 Jun 2008 12:26:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on the different options available. Thanks in advance, Matthew From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 13:59:42 2008 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:59:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e291ac30806201159h608dfd40gb58c5302535ff7c2@mail.gmail.com> Buy an HD Homerun. On 20 Jun 2008 12:26:56 -0500, beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on the > different options available. > > Thanks in advance, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From pcutler at foresightlinux.org Fri Jun 20 14:46:57 2008 From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:46:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0806201246m11b7bf2auc29618637b442039@mail.gmail.com> Can't go wrong with pchdtv either, made for Linux: http://www.pchdtv.com/ Paul On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:26 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on the > different options available. > > Thanks in advance, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From stutterstutt at comcast.net Fri Jun 20 23:50:52 2008 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:50:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485C88AC.8070401@comcast.net> beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on the > different options available. The current (July, 2008) issue of Linux Journal has a review of digital TV tuner cards. The pcHDTV HD-5500 gets the highest rating. -Jeff From verigoth at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 10:16:14 2008 From: verigoth at gmail.com (Rob Bayerl) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:16:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had no problems with Hauppauge cards. My only recommendation is to get a card that has an MPEG-2 encoder chip, that way you don't need such a big CPU or as much RAM. Do you have HDTV only? I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600 which has both an NTSC and an ATSC tuner. It works very well in Linux/MythTV and will allow you to record from both tuners at the same time. http://www.linuxtv.org is your friend. Check out the DVB wiki for supported ATSC/QAM cards. On 20 Jun 2008 12:26:56 -0500, beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on the > different options available. > > Thanks in advance, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at natecarlson.com Sat Jun 21 11:51:22 2008 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:51:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on > the different options available. HDHomeRun's are great. Not Linux-specific, but great. ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From sutrannu at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 12:39:28 2008 From: sutrannu at gmail.com (Ben Betts) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:39:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? Message-ID: <8a6084050806211039i4d57b26h68e91ecc3f1a374b@mail.gmail.com> Nice idea. What dumpster? I have a Toshiba satellite 4060 in the living room as a jukebox. It has a functional screen, but the screen is only used to display song info, album art and the like. I have the same configuration on a headless server, that works just as well. mpd is the answer. First, because it does not require a display. Second, because it's very easy to control and communicate with. You could easily get mpd running and configured through a network, then have it start automatically. Once you're at that point, you can control it with a keypad, or IR. Should be easy enough to get LCD output of song info as well. The mpd feature set is nice and full, by the way. It will catalog your music directory and you can script playlists with searches, etc. endless possibilities. Drop me a note if you have any question on configuration. It's all fresh in my mind at the moment. -Ben > I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. > Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to > use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware > of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of > an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used > headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of > random tracks? > -Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080621/ca8ee706/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jun 21 15:38:34 2008 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:38:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200806212038.m5LKcYY14291@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Spring cleaning - Free Stuff! as the title says, I'm doing a bit of spring cleaning and have some clutter I'd like to get rid of. The following is free to whoever picks it up: *Lexmark Z25 color inkjet printer *Compaq 15/30gb dlt scsi external tape drive + 19 tapes *blue lava lamp Seller Email address: ajs at cems dot umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Jun 21 20:32:23 2008 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:32:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting Message-ID: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> I had to move a couple servers from one building to another and now one of the machines will not boot up. The fans and drives all spin up, but I don't get any display or beeps. In addition, I seem to be getting an unusual whirring or buzzing noise from somewhere in the machine. I tried unplugging all the fans and drives, but still get this noise. It seems to be coming from somewhere on the motherboard itself which seems very odd. Could I have cracked the motherboard in the move? Anyone run into something like this? -Steve From stuff at cb1inc.com Sat Jun 21 21:10:25 2008 From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:10:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting In-Reply-To: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> References: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> I had a similar experience with one of my servers. It has a desktop motherboard and desktop video card. The fan on the video card was the first to go, so I replaced it with a fanless video card. The next to start acting up was the chipset fan. I don't know what it is with chipset fans, but they suck and are a pain in the ass to swap out. Zalman makes a big blue heat sink (ZM-NB47J) for chipsets and they are great. You can get them from Newegg for $5. -Chris Steve Cayford wrote: > I had to move a couple servers from one building to another and now one > of the machines will not boot up. The fans and drives all spin up, but I > don't get any display or beeps. In addition, I seem to be getting an > unusual whirring or buzzing noise from somewhere in the machine. I tried > unplugging all the fans and drives, but still get this noise. It seems > to be coming from somewhere on the motherboard itself which seems very > odd. Could I have cracked the motherboard in the move? Anyone run into > something like this? > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From strayf at freeshell.org Sun Jun 22 20:09:32 2008 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting In-Reply-To: <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> References: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> Message-ID: <485EF7CC.3030209@freeshell.org> I don't think the noise is coming from a fan, that's the odd thing. I powered up the machine (briefly) with all the fans disabled except the one built in to the power supply and still got the noise. It didn't sound like it was coming from the power supply fan. I do have a couple monster Zalman fans attached to the CPUs in this. I'm afraid that moving the computer with such heavy fans hanging off the motherboard may have caused some damage. -Steve Chris Barber wrote: > I had a similar experience with one of my servers. It has a desktop > motherboard and desktop video card. The fan on the video card was the > first to go, so I replaced it with a fanless video card. The next to > start acting up was the chipset fan. I don't know what it is with > chipset fans, but they suck and are a pain in the ass to swap out. > Zalman makes a big blue heat sink (ZM-NB47J) for chipsets and they are > great. You can get them from Newegg for $5. > > -Chris > > > > Steve Cayford wrote: >> I had to move a couple servers from one building to another and now one >> of the machines will not boot up. The fans and drives all spin up, but I >> don't get any display or beeps. In addition, I seem to be getting an >> unusual whirring or buzzing noise from somewhere in the machine. I tried >> unplugging all the fans and drives, but still get this noise. It seems >> to be coming from somewhere on the motherboard itself which seems very >> odd. Could I have cracked the motherboard in the move? Anyone run into >> something like this? >> >> -Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> From tclug at lizakowski.com Sun Jun 22 23:12:00 2008 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:12:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting In-Reply-To: <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> References: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> Message-ID: <200806222312.00151.tclug@lizakowski.com> I also recently went fanless. After two dead video cards (fans went out), I'm happy to get rid of the noise and gain the reliability. Jeremy On Saturday 21 June 2008 9:10:25 pm Chris Barber wrote: > I had a similar experience with one of my servers. It has a desktop > motherboard and desktop video card. The fan on the video card was the > first to go, so I replaced it with a fanless video card. The next to > start acting up was the chipset fan. I don't know what it is with > chipset fans, but they suck and are a pain in the ass to swap out. > Zalman makes a big blue heat sink (ZM-NB47J) for chipsets and they are > great. You can get them from Newegg for $5. > > -Chris > > Steve Cayford wrote: > > I had to move a couple servers from one building to another and now one > > of the machines will not boot up. The fans and drives all spin up, but I > > don't get any display or beeps. In addition, I seem to be getting an > > unusual whirring or buzzing noise from somewhere in the machine. I tried > > unplugging all the fans and drives, but still get this noise. It seems > > to be coming from somewhere on the motherboard itself which seems very > > odd. Could I have cracked the motherboard in the move? Anyone run into > > something like this? > > > > -Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iipreca at hotmail.com Mon Jun 23 08:56:06 2008 From: iipreca at hotmail.com (G J) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:56:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting In-Reply-To: <200806222312.00151.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> <200806222312.00151.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: Does the sound sound like a fan? I'm not familiar with servers all that much but the older Dell I do have has a power regulation module, and I believe these are just switch mode power supplies acting as DC to DC converters, the high frequency transformers in switch mode power supplies can make a noise similar to a fan...just a shot in the dark, but if there are no other moving parts, a buzzing transformer is pretty much all that's left to make a noise. My 2 cents. =Jesse= > From: tclug at lizakowski.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org; chris at cb1inc.com > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:12:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server not posting > > > I also recently went fanless. After two dead video cards (fans went out), I'm > happy to get rid of the noise and gain the reliability. > > Jeremy > > On Saturday 21 June 2008 9:10:25 pm Chris Barber wrote: > > I had a similar experience with one of my servers. It has a desktop > > motherboard and desktop video card. The fan on the video card was the > > first to go, so I replaced it with a fanless video card. The next to > > start acting up was the chipset fan. I don't know what it is with > > chipset fans, but they suck and are a pain in the ass to swap out. > > Zalman makes a big blue heat sink (ZM-NB47J) for chipsets and they are > > great. You can get them from Newegg for $5. > > > > -Chris > > > > Steve Cayford wrote: > > > I had to move a couple servers from one building to another and now one > > > of the machines will not boot up. The fans and drives all spin up, but I > > > don't get any display or beeps. In addition, I seem to be getting an > > > unusual whirring or buzzing noise from somewhere in the machine. I tried > > > unplugging all the fans and drives, but still get this noise. It seems > > > to be coming from somewhere on the motherboard itself which seems very > > > odd. Could I have cracked the motherboard in the move? Anyone run into > > > something like this? > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080623/268c5679/attachment.htm From j at packetgod.com Mon Jun 23 09:19:37 2008 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:19:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0806230719r5a9d3fe1sac7642df8dcc8873@mail.gmail.com> This does sound cool and doesn't use up a PCI slot in my system and dual tuners. This really sounds ideal and I found it for almost the same price as the PCHDTV. Sounds like a winner! --j On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of > > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on > > the different options available. > > HDHomeRun's are great. Not Linux-specific, but great. ;) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080623/c7c8a7bd/attachment.htm From ryan.langseth at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 11:56:38 2008 From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:56:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Headless jukebox? In-Reply-To: <8a6084050806211039i4d57b26h68e91ecc3f1a374b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a6084050806211039i4d57b26h68e91ecc3f1a374b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: (resending, I forgot to cc the list) check out ampache.org Its a web interface / music library, that supports mpd as the player. Ryan On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ben Betts wrote: > > Nice idea. What dumpster? > > I have a Toshiba satellite 4060 in the living room as a jukebox. It has a functional screen, but the screen is only used to display song info, album art and the like. I have the same configuration on a headless server, that works just as well. > > mpd is the answer. First, because it does not require a display. Second, because it's very easy to control and communicate with. > > You could easily get mpd running and configured through a network, then have it start automatically. Once you're at that point, you can control it with a keypad, or IR. Should be easy enough to get LCD output of song info as well. > > The mpd feature set is nice and full, by the way. It will catalog your music directory and you can script playlists with searches, etc. endless possibilities. > > Drop me a note if you have any question on configuration. It's all fresh in my mind at the moment. > > -Ben > > > I have acquired a laptop (dumpster dive) with a non-functional LCD. > > Laptop works fine with an external monitor. I'm considering trying to > > use it as a music jukebox in my car. Just one problem, I'm not aware > > > of any music apps that will run without visual input. Anyone know of > > an audio app that is completely keyboard based and could be used > > headless? Even if the only function was "next track" in a list of > > > random tracks? > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From beck0778 at umn.edu Mon Jun 23 13:00:39 2008 From: beck0778 at umn.edu (beck0778 at umn.edu) Date: 23 Jun 2008 13:00:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux HDTV tuners In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0806230719r5a9d3fe1sac7642df8dcc8873@mail.gmail.com> References: <38aa5b6a0806230719r5a9d3fe1sac7642df8dcc8873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One thing to remember about the HD Homerun is that it doesn't have an analog tuner. Nowadays with high-quality over-the-air (OTA) hd channels, especially for NBC/ABC/CBS, and digital cable, it's not much of an issue. Another nice thing about it is that if you have your own house (as opposed to an apartment) you can mount a nice antenna up on the roof, with the HD Homerun in the attic, and only have to run ethernet down to your computers, instead of having coax line losses all the way from the attic to the basement. --Matthew On Jun 23 2008, J Cruit wrote: >This does sound cool and doesn't use up a PCI slot in my system and dual >tuners. This really sounds ideal and I found it for almost the same price >as the PCHDTV. > >Sounds like a winner! > >--j > >On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Nate Carlson >wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, beck0778 at umn.edu wrote: >> > Has anyone had any experience with HD tuners and Linux? I'm thinking of >> > building a PVR this summer, and was looking for some quick opinions on >> > the different options available. >> >> HDHomeRun's are great. Not Linux-specific, but great. ;) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | >> | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Jun 23 13:58:31 2008 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:58:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server not posting In-Reply-To: References: <485DABA7.2010608@freeshell.org> <485DB491.9050909@cb1inc.com> <200806222312.00151.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <485FF257.1000103@freeshell.org> It was indeed the power supply. It's happy again now. -Steve G J wrote: > Does the sound sound like a fan? I'm not familiar with servers all that > much but the older Dell I do have has a power regulation module, and I > believe these are just switch mode power supplies acting as DC to DC > converters, the high frequency transformers in switch mode power > supplies can make a noise similar to a fan...just a shot in the dark, > but if there are no other moving parts, a buzzing transformer is pretty > much all that's left to make a noise. My 2 cents. > > =Jesse= > From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jun 24 22:14:07 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:14:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP & Kerberos account manager Message-ID: <4861B7FF.1020908@mtu.net> I'm setting up a couple of systems that are using LDAP for public information and Kerberos for passwords. Does anyone know of a good tool for doing account maintenance across both databases? I've found LDAP Account Manager and that's nice for the LDAP side, but it doesn't do anything with kerberos, which I need to create accounts there and set passwords. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jeremy at rosengren.org Wed Jun 25 07:18:47 2008 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:18:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP & Kerberos account manager In-Reply-To: <4861B7FF.1020908@mtu.net> References: <4861B7FF.1020908@mtu.net> Message-ID: <486237A7.7080800@rosengren.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm setting up a couple of systems that are using LDAP for public > information and Kerberos for passwords. Does anyone know of a good tool > for doing account maintenance across both databases? I've found LDAP > Account Manager and that's nice for the LDAP side, but it doesn't do > anything with kerberos, which I need to create accounts there and set > passwords. > > http://freeipa.org/ looks interesting. -- jeremy From jwreese0 at comcast.net Wed Jun 25 17:40:46 2008 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:40:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP & Kerberos account manager Message-ID: <1214433646.8406.5.camel@kubuntu> Check out the Shibboleth project: http://shibboleth.internet2.edu/ From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jun 27 01:59:42 2008 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:59:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * Tomorrow * Using Linux with the Insigna Media Player - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting June 28th, 2008 Message-ID: <48648FDE.2030908@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting will be Saturday June 28th, 2008 at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings for directions and more info.) We will be talking about Using Linux with the Insignia Media Player Jack Ungerleider will talk about his media player, a Insignia Pilot, and how he got it working with linux, and what tools he likes and uses on Linux to work with his media player. Thanks, hope to see you there. ==>brian. From john.meier at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 09:14:56 2008 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:14:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL modem for grandma Message-ID: <65293fcc0806270714w3aaf3c0el7c63495a9314af68@mail.gmail.com> Looking for (qwest) DSL modem advice. Grams ordered DSL from qwest - and was told she needed to provide the modem. I have little experience with DSL and Qwest - having one client that uses the service ( they have a kinda crappy looking Actiontec 701 or some such). I need to grab a modem today before I head out to grams place in the north woods - any ideas ? Looks like Best Buy has a actiontec modem/firewall/router with a add on wireless module... thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080627/03ad2332/attachment.htm From ecrist at secure-computing.net Fri Jun 27 09:31:35 2008 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:31:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL modem for grandma In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0806270714w3aaf3c0el7c63495a9314af68@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0806270714w3aaf3c0el7c63495a9314af68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Those routers have a bad rap, but I've never had a problem with them on my network. Eric On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:14 AM, John Meier wrote: > Looking for (qwest) DSL modem advice. > > Grams ordered DSL from qwest - and was told she needed to provide > the modem. I have little experience with DSL and Qwest - having one > client that uses the service ( they have a kinda crappy looking > Actiontec 701 or some such). > > I need to grab a modem today before I head out to grams place in the > north woods - any ideas ? Looks like Best Buy has a actiontec modem/ > firewall/router with a add on wireless module... > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Eric Crist From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Jun 27 11:42:32 2008 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:42:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL modem for grandma In-Reply-To: References: <65293fcc0806270714w3aaf3c0el7c63495a9314af68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <065601c8d874$cc906440$e017a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> http://www.cisco678.com/ They are in Anoka. Cisco 678 is EOS'ed and maybe EOL'ed by Cisco but they are rock solid reliable in my experience, and still generally available. I work for an ISP that sells Qwest DSL service so I have seen a lot of DSL routers. If you go with a Cisco make sure it is NOT a 675 as it will not work with the DMT DSL lines. The first one or two lines of Actiontec's that Qwest used were really crappy, a simple port scan would from the internet could lock them up. The latest line they are on now seem to be very reliable. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric F Crist Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:32 AM To: John Meier Cc: tclug Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DSL modem for grandma Those routers have a bad rap, but I've never had a problem with them on my network. Eric On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:14 AM, John Meier wrote: > Looking for (qwest) DSL modem advice. > > Grams ordered DSL from qwest - and was told she needed to provide > the modem. I have little experience with DSL and Qwest - having one > client that uses the service ( they have a kinda crappy looking > Actiontec 701 or some such). > > I need to grab a modem today before I head out to grams place in the > north woods - any ideas ? Looks like Best Buy has a actiontec modem/ > firewall/router with a add on wireless module... > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Eric Crist _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at jfoo.org Fri Jun 27 11:56:37 2008 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:56:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL modem for grandma In-Reply-To: <065601c8d874$cc906440$e017a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> References: <65293fcc0806270714w3aaf3c0el7c63495a9314af68@mail.gmail.com> <065601c8d874$cc906440$e017a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20080627115637.d75f6c7d.tclug@jfoo.org> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:42:32 -0500 "Justin Krejci" wrote: > Cisco 678 is EOS'ed and maybe EOL'ed by Cisco but they are rock solid > reliable in my experience, and still generally available. I had two 678s and had trouble with both. About once a week, especially during a thunderstorm, they'd hang, requiring a reboot, or losing existing TCP connections. > The first one or two lines of Actiontec's that Qwest used were really > crappy, a simple port scan would from the internet could lock them up. The > latest line they are on now seem to be very reliable. I've used Actiontecs recently, and avoided the issue I had with the Cisco, though it still loses existing connections on occasion. I don't know why Qwest said the grandmother must provide her own modem - they rent them... j -- John Gateley From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jun 27 12:48:25 2008 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh at bitstream.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection Message-ID: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such things.) But I can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it uses port 443 to connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. I checked my Ubuntu setup and the firewall isn't running. It doesn't look like my DSL modem is blocking that port. It might be my ISP. How do I find out where it's being blocked? Can I do a traceroute that checks for ports? But then, if port 443 is blocked I shouldn't be able to get an SSL connection and I know I can do that because I've pulled up my USBANK bank account info. So it seems like this must be a bug somewhere...but where? Thanks, Brady From tclug at jfoo.org Fri Jun 27 13:02:30 2008 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection In-Reply-To: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <20080627130230.831c6c7b.tclug@jfoo.org> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:48:25 -0500 (CDT) bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness > (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such things.) But I > can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it uses port 443 to > connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. Try WireShark to sniff the connection, that may (or may not) provide clues. If it is really blocked, you'll see outgoing SYN packets with no responses (assuming it is 443 TCP, if it is UDP, that's different). If it isn't blocked, it won't help much - the traffic is probably encrypted and so you won't be able to make sense of it. j -- John Gateley From Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu Fri Jun 27 13:11:48 2008 From: Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu (Stuart, Joseph) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:11:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection In-Reply-To: <20080627130230.831c6c7b.tclug@jfoo.org> References: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> <20080627130230.831c6c7b.tclug@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F011B3F21@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:48:25 -0500 (CDT) bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: >> I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of >> Darkness (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such >> things.) But I can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it >> uses port 443 to connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. >Try WireShark to sniff the connection, that may (or may >not) provide clues. > >If it is really blocked, you'll see outgoing SYN packets with no responses (assuming it is 443 TCP, if it is UDP, that's different). > >If it isn't blocked, it won't help much - the traffic is probably encrypted and so you won't be able to make sense of it. You can also try fiddler2 to track the connection. It only works with I.E. though. From canito at dalan.us Fri Jun 27 13:12:24 2008 From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:12:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection In-Reply-To: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <20080627131224.u6kxsyibcwscs0wc@mail.dalan.us> Hi Brady, Which ISP do you have? I can't think of any ISP here in the cities which would block this port unless you have complaints? Yet, I am not too farmiliar with Ubuntu but you can quickly set up ssh/ftp on your box to listen on port 445 and try login in remotely? David Quoting bradyh at bitstream.net: > I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness > (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such things.) But I > can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it uses port 443 to > connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. > > I checked my Ubuntu setup and the firewall isn't running. It doesn't look > like my DSL modem is blocking that port. It might be my ISP. How do I > find out where it's being blocked? Can I do a traceroute that checks for > ports? > > But then, if port 443 is blocked I shouldn't be able to get an SSL > connection and I know I can do that because I've pulled up my USBANK bank > account info. So it seems like this must be a bug somewhere...but where? > > Thanks, > Brady > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Jun 27 13:31:01 2008 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:31:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection In-Reply-To: <20080627130230.831c6c7b.tclug@jfoo.org> References: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> <20080627130230.831c6c7b.tclug@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <06a301c8d883$f3ab14d0$e017a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> You could also try connecting to the server IP in question via telnet. $ telnet 64.233.167.83 443 Trying 64.233.167.83... Connected to 64.233.167.83. Escape character is '^]'. Replace the 64.233.167.83 with whatever IP you're box is trying to reach. If you see "Connected to IPADDRESS" that means it is not a network issue as you made a successful TCP connection to the server. If you see "Connection refused" that probably means the server port is closed (server is not listening) though some filters/firewalls can fake this. If you see "Connection timed out" or if it just hangs forever that means there is probably a filter/firewall blocking it or there is no server at that IP address at all. If you use something like wireshark or tcpdump you can watch and see if there are any replies and what they are. Most likely your ISP is not blocking outbound TCP/443 traffic. In any case if you're sure your own local stuff is not blocking anything find the IP/hostname of the server you're connecting to and then contact the administrator of the server and/or vendor of the software and ask for assistance. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Gateley Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:03 PM To: bradyh at bitstream.net Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:48:25 -0500 (CDT) bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness > (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such things.) But I > can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it uses port 443 to > connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. Try WireShark to sniff the connection, that may (or may not) provide clues. If it is really blocked, you'll see outgoing SYN packets with no responses (assuming it is 443 TCP, if it is UDP, that's different). If it isn't blocked, it won't help much - the traffic is probably encrypted and so you won't be able to make sense of it. j -- John Gateley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trnja001 at umn.edu Fri Jun 27 13:30:29 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with port 443 connection In-Reply-To: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> References: <35409.151.151.21.102.1214588905.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Message-ID: <486531C5.1030604@umn.edu> I'm willing to bet that it's not your computer, but rather the application or the service the application uses. Look at the web site to see if there are issues with it. I know when I tried to purchase a game with something similar that I had to do some arcane application configuration changes to get it to work. bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > I'm trying to play Penny Arcade: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness > (which has a Linux version for anybody interested in such things.) But I > can't get it to verify my purchase code. Apparently it uses port 443 to > connect back to the server and that is somehow blocked. > > I checked my Ubuntu setup and the firewall isn't running. It doesn't look > like my DSL modem is blocking that port. It might be my ISP. How do I > find out where it's being blocked? Can I do a traceroute that checks for > ports? > > But then, if port 443 is blocked I shouldn't be able to get an SSL > connection and I know I can do that because I've pulled up my USBANK bank > account info. So it seems like this must be a bug somewhere...but where? > > Thanks, > Brady > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chris.niesen at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 00:50:37 2008 From: chris.niesen at gmail.com (Chris Niesen) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:50:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ubuntu hardy i386 compatible sheet fed scanners Message-ID: <36770bfa0806272250u72ca01f2o443adbc1e6427ae9@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any recommendations on a reliable sheet fed scanner for Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy i386 version? Thanks in advance! -- Chris Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080628/4a0ddfab/attachment.htm From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Sat Jun 28 15:22:57 2008 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:22:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Hardware Advice In-Reply-To: References: <05aa01c8c0dd$f56b8970$eb17a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> <200805281347.40614.josh@tcbug.org> <200805281511.30877.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <483DC74A.2040006@cb1inc.com> <483ED2F9.7040607@cb1inc.com> Message-ID: <48669DA1.80701@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Eric F Crist wrote: > On May 30, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Robert De Mars wrote: > >> Chris Barber writes: >> >>> Nope, use all 6 disks in the RAID 1+0. That way you get more >>> throughput. I like things easy, so I would just create a root partition >>> that eats up almost all of the space, then a second small (2GB) swap >>> area. That way you don't have to worry about running out of disk space >>> if you make a particular partition too small. >>> >>> -Chris >>> >>> >> >> Forgive me for asking so many questions, but I am still a virgin to RAID, >> and this is going to be my first RAID setup. >> >> OK, My new server is going to have 6 drives. I am going to go with >> RAID10. >> >> For the first part (raid 1), do I want to make two or three sets. >> For Example, do I want to make drive 1+2, 3+4, 5+6 RAID 1, or can I do >> 1+2+3 >> & 4+5+6 as RAID 1. What do you think is best. >> >> Then for the second part (raid 0), I guess that depends on how the raid 1 >> was setup. >> >> Your thoughts are greatly appreciated! > > > I'd do whatever makes it easiest to service from the front of the > system. It's a pain if you've got one array that jumps around > *physically* on the front of the box. In other words, if the drive > setup is two rows of three drives, I'd do one stripe on all three drives > across the top and the second stripe across all three drives along the > bottom. Odds are, this is going to be 1,3,5 and 2,4,6 as your stripes. > If, however, you've got a box where all the drives stand on their edge > in one single row, I'd recommend 1,2,3 as one stripe and 4,5,6 as the > second. > > Does this answer your question? I finally received all the parts for the new server this past thursday. I assembled the box on Friday, and did the install Friday afternoon. All went well. I ended up using RAID 10 as most suggested. The Intel RAID Controller only let me use two disk per set for the RAID 1 part, so I have 3 sets. This setup seems pretty tough. Slackware 12.1 installed smoothly. I plan on retoring the database this weekend, and doing a little testing before I throw it into production. So far I am impressed with it all. Thanks again to all who responded a while back to my distress call on this matter. Thanks, Bob De Mars From ecrist at secure-computing.net Sat Jun 28 15:53:58 2008 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:53:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Hardware Advice In-Reply-To: <48669DA1.80701@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <05aa01c8c0dd$f56b8970$eb17a8c0@usicorp.usinternet.com> <200805281347.40614.josh@tcbug.org> <200805281511.30877.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <483DC74A.2040006@cb1inc.com> <483ED2F9.7040607@cb1inc.com> <48669DA1.80701@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Robert De Mars wrote: > Eric F Crist wrote: >> On May 30, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Robert De Mars wrote: >> >>> Chris Barber writes: >>> >>>> Nope, use all 6 disks in the RAID 1+0. That way you get more >>>> throughput. I like things easy, so I would just create a root >>>> partition >>>> that eats up almost all of the space, then a second small (2GB) >>>> swap >>>> area. That way you don't have to worry about running out of disk >>>> space >>>> if you make a particular partition too small. >>>> >>>> -Chris >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Forgive me for asking so many questions, but I am still a virgin >>> to RAID, >>> and this is going to be my first RAID setup. >>> >>> OK, My new server is going to have 6 drives. I am going to go with >>> RAID10. >>> >>> For the first part (raid 1), do I want to make two or three sets. >>> For Example, do I want to make drive 1+2, 3+4, 5+6 RAID 1, or can >>> I do >>> 1+2+3 >>> & 4+5+6 as RAID 1. What do you think is best. >>> >>> Then for the second part (raid 0), I guess that depends on how the >>> raid 1 >>> was setup. >>> >>> Your thoughts are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> I'd do whatever makes it easiest to service from the front of the >> system. It's a pain if you've got one array that jumps around >> *physically* on the front of the box. In other words, if the drive >> setup is two rows of three drives, I'd do one stripe on all three >> drives >> across the top and the second stripe across all three drives along >> the >> bottom. Odds are, this is going to be 1,3,5 and 2,4,6 as your >> stripes. >> If, however, you've got a box where all the drives stand on their >> edge >> in one single row, I'd recommend 1,2,3 as one stripe and 4,5,6 as the >> second. >> >> Does this answer your question? > > I finally received all the parts for the new server this past > thursday. > I assembled the box on Friday, and did the install Friday afternoon. > All went well. I ended up using RAID 10 as most suggested. The Intel > RAID Controller only let me use two disk per set for the RAID 1 > part, so > I have 3 sets. This setup seems pretty tough. Slackware 12.1 > installed > smoothly. I plan on retoring the database this weekend, and doing a > little testing before I throw it into production. So far I am > impressed > with it all. > > Thanks again to all who responded a while back to my distress call on > this matter. > > Thanks, > > Bob De Mars Bob, You should be able to build your two RAID 0 sets, and set up a RAID 1 with the two RAID 0 'disks.' You'll get better performance. --- Eric Crist From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jun 29 21:55:39 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:55:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bacula and TLS Message-ID: <48684B2B.4040008@mtu.net> Has anyone setup bacula to use TLS? I'd like to use it to backup a host across the Internet, but I'm having little success. I've got my own CA and I've successfully created a cert for it, works with apache and dovecot. I've told the file daemon, director and storage daemon to all use the same cert for now, as for testing they are all on the same machine. However when I try and connect to the client for status I get a handshake error. If I turn off peer verification I can get status, however the connection from the file daemon to the storage daemon fails. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Jun 16 10:37:07 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:37:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Jun 16 10:37:07 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:37:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: (43p-aix) [dalan] nslookup 43p *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.50:Query refused *** Default servers are not available (43p-aix) [dalan] I have shut off the firewall and SE-Linux on the Fedora system. I'm not sure why the fedora system is blocking/refusing the request coming from another system. I even put the following entries in iptables. SERVER_IP="192.168.1.50" iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s 0/0 --sport 1024:65535 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 1024:65535 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s 0/0 --sport 53 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 53 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 --sport 1024:65535 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 1024:65535 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 --sport 53 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 53 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT I still have the same effect. Running the following shows that the system is refusing the connection. /usr/sbin/tcpdump -X port 53 [root at fc9 named]# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -X port 53 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes 21:39:38.512926 IP aix.sparish.local.52686 > fc9.sparish.local.domain: 46304+ PTR? 50.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (43) 0x0000: 4500 0047 ac22 0000 1e11 6ccd c0a8 0134 E..G."....l....4 0x0010: c0a8 0132 cdce 0035 0033 7c2c b4e0 0100 ...2...5.3|,.... 0x0020: 0001 0000 0000 0000 0235 3001 3103 3136 .........50.1.16 0x0030: 3803 3139 3207 696e 2d61 6464 7204 6172 8.192.in-addr.ar 0x0040: 7061 0000 0c00 01 pa..... 21:39:38.519048 IP fc9.sparish.local.domain > aix.sparish.local.52686: 46304 Refused- 0/0/0 (43) 0x0000: 4500 0047 0000 4000 4011 b6ef c0a8 0132 E..G.. at .@......2 0x0010: c0a8 0134 0035 cdce 0033 fc26 b4e0 8105 ...4.5...3.&.... 0x0020: 0001 0000 0000 0000 0235 3001 3103 3136 .........50.1.16 0x0030: 3803 3139 3207 696e 2d61 6464 7204 6172 8.192.in-addr.ar 0x0040: 7061 0000 0c00 01 pa..... Any help would be welcome Thanks ------=_Part_8786_29854090.1215052811715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Howdy,
 
I have Fedora 9 installed and would like to use it as the DNS system in the house.
 
The setup is as follows
 
options {
        listen-on port 53 { 127.0.0.1; };
        listen-on-v6 port 53 { ::1; };
        directory       "/var/named";
        dump-file       "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db";
        statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt";
        memstatistics-file "/var/named/data/named_mem_stats.txt";
        allow-query     { localhost; };
        recursion yes;
        forwarders {
                68.87.77.130;
                68.87.72.130;
                };
};
logging {
        channel default_debug {
                file "data/named.run";
                severity dynamic;
        };
};
zone "." IN {
        type hint;
        file "named.ca";
};

include "/etc/named.rfc1912.zones";
 
zone "home.local" {
        type master;
        file "/var/named/home.local.hosts";
        };

zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" {
        type master;
        file "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.zone";
        allow-update { key "rndckey"; };
        notify yes;
 
I have the files in /var/named setup and configured. From the DNS system I can type
nslookup 43p and get the following
[root at fc9 named]# vi /etc/named.conf
[root at fc9 named]# nslookup 43p
Server:         127.0.0.1
Address:        127.0.0.1#53
Name:   43p.home.local
Address: 192.168.1.52
 
From a windows system I get the following
C:\Users\dalan>nslookup 43p
Server:  UnKnown
Address:  192.168.1.50:53
*** UnKnown can't find 43p: Query refused
 
From the AIX system I get
(43p-aix) [dalan] nslookup 43p
*** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.50:Query refused
*** Default servers are not available
(43p-aix) [dalan]
I have shut off the firewall and SE-Linux on the Fedora system. I'm not sure why the fedora system is blocking/refusing the request coming from another system.
I even put the following entries in iptables.
SERVER_IP="192.168.1.50"
iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s 0/0 --sport 1024:65535 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 1024:65535 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s 0/0 --sport 53 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 53 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 --sport 1024:65535 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 1024:65535 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 --sport 53 -d $SERVER_IP --dport 53 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -s $SERVER_IP --sport 53 -d 0/0 --dport 53 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
 
I still have the same effect.
 
Running the following shows that the system is refusing the connection.
/usr/sbin/tcpdump -X port 53

[root at fc9 named]# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -X port 53
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
21:39:38.512926 IP aix.sparish.local.52686 > fc9.sparish.local.domain: 46304+ PTR? 50.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (43)
        0x0000:  4500 0047 ac22 0000 1e11 6ccd c0a8 0134  E..G."....l....4
        0x0010:  c0a8 0132 cdce 0035 0033 7c2c b4e0 0100  ...2...5.3|,....
        0x0020:  0001 0000 0000 0000 0235 3001 3103 3136  .........50.1.16
        0x0030:  3803 3139 3207 696e 2d61 6464 7204 6172  8.192.in-addr.ar
        0x0040:  7061 0000 0c00 01                        pa.....
21:39:38.519048 IP fc9.sparish.local.domain > aix.sparish.local.52686: 46304 Refused- 0/0/0 (43)
        0x0000:  4500 0047 0000 4000 4011 b6ef c0a8 0132  E..G.. at .@......2
        0x0010:  c0a8 0134 0035 cdce 0033 fc26 b4e0 8105  ...4.5...3.&....
        0x0020:  0001 0000 0000 0000 0235 3001 3103 3136  .........50.1.16
        0x0030:  3803 3139 3207 696e 2d61 6464 7204 6172  8.192.in-addr.ar
        0x0040:  7061 0000 0c00 01                        pa.....
 
Any help would be welcome
 
Thanks
------=_Part_8786_29854090.1215052811715-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Jun 16 10:37:07 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:37:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: site to reboot them for a few months) the fans spin up to full speed when the server is powered on and then they slow down during POST or OS boot. If you don't get a noticeable decrease in fan speed during boot something isn't right. Fan speed should be an automatic thing that is controlled by temp sensors on the mb or in the case that. I haven't run anything but Windows Server 2003 on the HP servers we have at work so I can't be sure that fan speed isn't OS controlled. Flashing to the latest bios and installing the most recent updates from HP shouldn't hurt. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Jun 16 10:37:07 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:37:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: disrupting the balance that supports tclug. Yes, the switch sounds easy on paper, like most projects, but I've thought it through, and it would not be trivial. And that assumes we can reach consensus one way or another. Jeremy On Tuesday 07 October 2008 1:37:40 pm Jima wrote: 
Chuck Cole wrote:
    
Mike Miller wrote:
      
 I am not trying to usurp any authority.
        
There is none.  There is no "group", no leadership, and no way to make
decisions except by fiat.  I think Rick Tanner's opinion is essential for
this.. maybe a few others.  Jima's role seems to me to be more
significant than he admits.
      
  I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm just being modest, or what.
Facts of the matter:  I didn't found TCLUG.  My involvement began 2-3
years after it happened.  I have no write/edit access to
any TCLUG-branded web sites (except maybe the beer meeting page, and I
don't recall the credentials).  All I have is DNS control over one,
non-primary, domain name.  And maybe some sway with whoever's holding
the keys, not that I'm certain who that is these days.
  I've represented the group in arguably official capacities in the
past, yes, but I haven't had time or energy to invest in over four years.

  Any further implications regarding my "role?"

      Jima

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--------------000908040800000004000300-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Jun 16 10:37:07 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:37:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: transfer the files rsync -e ssh -aogvz /sourcedir/ targetmachine:/targetdir # Second time will validate On the target machine so you have an initial archive file: tar zcvf /targetdir/tarball.tgz /tgzsourcedir You can md5 it if you'd like. I haven't seen a need for it unless it's security or auditing purposes. I would prefer to transfer many smaller files than one large file. IMO, there's too many things that can go wrong with transferring large files. What if there's a problem and you have to do the transfer again? Going to take twice as long providing it goes through the second time. If not, you get the picture. If network pukes on an rsync of many files and dirs, restart it and it'll pick up where it left off and overwrite the necessary files on the target. There's many ways to do things. I'm not saying your way is wrong. Just not the way I would have done it. Of course, if there's a better, more efficient way to do it than what I currently am, I'm always open to changing my processes. -- -Shawn --0016364c68b51ceb690461197ac3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at ta= xa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:

If every file has to be moved, the comparing would be wasted time, bu= t if
files are large and most do not have to be moved, the comparison may
massively save time, especially if the network is slow.


It happens that I started to write the info below a couple of months ago to share with this list and did not finish it, but I'm finishing it now= .
My problem was to copy many files from one machine to another, but none of<= br> the files existed on the target machine.  I really just wanted to make= a
gzipped tar file (.tgz) and send it to another machine.  I didn't = have
much free disk space on the source machine so I had to do a little work to<= br> figure out the tricks.  Read on:


I want to move files from one GNU/Linux box to another.  The disks are=
nearly full on box with the files currently on it, so I can't write to<= br> .tgz on the source machine and send the .tgz file.  The data are about=
13GB uncompressed and about 3.7GB in .tgz format.  This is how I get t= he
latter number:

tar zpcf - directory | wc -c

That sends the zipped tar to stdout where the bytes are counted by wc. &nbs= p;I
have about 210,000 files and directories.

There are some good suggestions here on how to proceed:

http://happy= giraffe.net/copy-net

I wanted to have the .tgz file on the other side instead of having tar
unpackage it automatically, so I find out I could do this on the old
machine to send files to the new machine...

tar zpcf - directory | ssh user at target.machine "cat > backup.tgz&qu= ot;

...and it packs "directory" from the old machine into the backup.= tgz file
on the new machine.  Nice.

One small problem:  I didn't have a way to be sure that there were= no
errors in file transmission.  First some things that did not to work:<= br>
tar zpcf - directory | md5sum

Testing that on a small directory gave me, to my surprise, different
results every time.  What was changing?  I didn't get it. &nb= sp;I could tell
that it was probably caused by gzip because...

$ echo "x" | gzip - > test1.gz

$ echo "x" | gzip - > test2.gz

$ md5sum test?.gz
358cc3d6fe5d929cacd00ae4c2912bf2  test1.gz
601a8e99e56741d5d8bf42250efa7d26  test2.gz

So gzip must have a random seed in it, or it is incorporating the
timestamp into the file somehow -- something is changing.  Then I real= ized
that I just had to use this method of checking md5sums...

On the source machine:
tar pcf - directory | md5sum

Then do this to transfer the data:
tar zpcf - directory | ssh user at target.machine "cat > backup.tgz&qu= ot;

After transferring, do this on the target machine:
gunzip -c backup.tgz | md5sum

The two md5sums are created without making new files on either side and
they will match if there are no errors.  I moved about 30GB of compres= sed
data this way in three large .tgz files and found no errors -- the md5sums<= br> always matched.


To me, the file comparison isn'= ;t that big of a deal, and I'd only be concerned about the time it took= if it was a cronjob scheduled to run  in a tight amount of time (say = every 10 minutes for a 3GB FS).  If it's to populate a new system,= it wouldn't bother me.  I would say if it's that much of a co= ncern on the initial load, then you haven't given yourself enough time = to do the work.  Remeber the 6 P's...

While I admire the thought you put into your process above. = IMO, it's not efficient enough for my tastes.  Also, too many cha= nces for errors.  Here's how I would have done it:

From the= source machine:
rsync -e ssh -aogvz /sourcedir/ targetmachine:/targetdir   &= nbsp;  # Run once to transfer the files
rsync -e ssh -aogvz /source= dir/ targetmachine:/targetdir      # Second time w= ill validate

On the target machine so you have an initial archive fi= le:
tar zcvf /targetdir/tarball.tgz /tgzsourcedir

You can md5 it if you&= #39;d like.  I haven't seen a need for it unless it's security= or auditing purposes.

I would prefer to transfer many smaller files= than one large file.  IMO, there's too many things that can go wr= ong with transferring large files.  What if there's a problem and = you have to do the transfer again?  Going to take twice as long provid= ing it goes through the second time. If not, you get the picture.  If = network pukes on an rsync of many files and dirs, restart it and it'll = pick up where it left off and overwrite the necessary files on the target.<= br>
There's many ways to do things.  I'm not saying your way i= s wrong.  Just not the way I would have done it.  Of course, if t= here's a better, more efficient way to do it than what I currently am, = I'm always open to changing my processes.


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-Shawn
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